Jon Collins and MFK's Tory Cook discuss breeding season coyotes.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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here we are with another episode of the
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Foxpro podcast and I tell you what this
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is going to be a good one we've got Tori
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cook of mfk game calls on the line and
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we're going to be discussing breeding
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season coyote tactics what's going on
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Tori
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oh
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it's right in the middle of hunting
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season so it's just going pretty good
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yeah I guess you survived Thanksgiving
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oh yeah yeah just barely but I made it
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he playing turkey I guess
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yeah I ate plenty of everything yeah
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which that's never a problem even on
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days that are not Thanksgiving oh man
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you ain't telling me nothing what about
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uh you still deer hunting
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I am I'm I'm kind of starting over a
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place I usually hunt in the river
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bottoms is
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free of acorns this year I've never had
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it where the White Oak and red oak
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species are as bad as they are where I
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typically hunt so really I had two or
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three good deer in there killed one of
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them had a couple other ones that I was
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that I've had intentions of being after
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right now but the deer are gone there's
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no food so I'm I'm kind of starting from
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scratch going to find some food and then
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look for a deer that I want to kill so
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I'm back to scouting a lot of scouting a
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little hunting I got you well I mean
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that's what kills kills deer scouting uh
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what your area of Arkansas is that one
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of the areas like they got the odd cycle
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where it comes in real late or do you
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all have that November rut or do you all
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have the one that's like after first of
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the year
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it's November here the uh what they
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consider the biologists and stuff what
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they consider the the peak of the rudder
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when most of the does are actually bred
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the conception dates of the pond you
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know they usually hit out somewhere
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around that
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20 about Thanksgiving you know that week
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of Thanksgiving give or take a day or
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two either side of that uh the 22nd is
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what they actually list for for our
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areas right right might as well say
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Thanksgiving yeah so pretty much pretty
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much pretty close to pretty close to us
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maybe a week behind maybe so yeah and if
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you jump county lines they actually move
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it a week forward so I mean really so
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that'd be more like us then yep it's
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just you know you go just a little one
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way or the other and they change the
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dates just a little bit so pretty much
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you can say that latter half of
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basically the month of November right
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right a little more in there well yeah
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we might as well we might as well talk
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about coyote instead of deer had me yeah
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that's probably what most people
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listening are wanting to talk about
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they're probably they're everybody's
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well which these guys get on with I
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don't care nothing all day I don't do
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here but uh yeah I is as everyone
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already knows Tori is an absolute wealth
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of knowledge when it comes to All Things
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coyotes so this is going to be a great
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podcast this should help a lot of guys
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out you know when it comes to coyote
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calling this winter so we're gonna get
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right to it Tori we've been you know as
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of late over the last month or so we've
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been pretty prey distressed sound heavy
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uh over I'd say at least the last two
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months maybe two and two and a half
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months and the coyotes have been coming
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to pray just pray distress sounds pretty
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good but the coyotes are starting to
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transition
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um the coyote breeding season is
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definitely on the horizon Tori would you
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like to tell us kind of like what the
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coyotes are doing in their life right
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now what you've been seeing
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well like we talked about before you
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have family bust up takes place where
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those family groups bust up the pups a
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lot of those bust up and most of the
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coats are acting as individuals even if
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they're still in the same area and then
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getting towards this time of the year
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like you said they start getting it on
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their mind and so pairing up starts
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taking place they start getting getting
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interested in
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mating up and that's when
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you know you're going to get those mated
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pairs and along with that comes some
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sound changes and some some sequence
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changes that uh we can take advantage of
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and of course from the pair and we'll go
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right into the the actual coat breeding
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root if you want to call it
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um so that all that stuff is is right
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around the corner and the coats are
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starting to get it on their mind right
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right when when do you typically see
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that kind of that pair up stage started
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happening
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the month of December I would say
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December and into January is when your
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parent is is you know pretty strong and
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then well they I would say that they
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really start pairing up making choosing
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to make getting paired up
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pretty much December and then that Bond
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over the month of January
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and you know them getting really tight
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with each other as a pair and of course
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then right on into the actual breeding
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part of it that typically is going to
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take place in February most areas right
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right what we'll uh we'll go ahead and
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start talking about the uh the sounds we
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need to be looking at and stuff like
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that but first let's talk about uh
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what's working for calling coyotes right
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now you know we're like we said earlier
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we're still pretty distress heavy but we
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are mixing in coyote vocals you know
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we're starting a lot of our stands off
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with a series of hows you know pretty
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straightforward stuff then going right
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into rabbit distress and seeing you know
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the coyotes rush in to get that rabbit
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and some stands we'll maybe just go
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ahead and start with the rabbit right
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off the bat and you know killing coyotes
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within two minutes and there's been
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those stands where nothing shows or prey
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distressed sounds nothing shows to the
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house when we switch up to pup distress
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sounds and fights you know right at the
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end of the stand and here comes the
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coyotes burning in so you know it's this
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right here is actually my favorite time
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of the year to call coyotes Tori I don't
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know how you feel about this time of
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year but you know coyotes are responding
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to such a wide variety of sounds you
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know they're responding to house you
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know they'll come running right to the
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house they'll pray distressed stuff pups
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fights it just seems like everything's
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working right now
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yeah I just had a I know you know the
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deal you get messages all the time
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people asking about specific sounds and
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you know sequences and you hit on it
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pretty good I just had this conversation
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yesterday
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this time of the year and and even on
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into that breeding season time frame
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your sequences get pretty vast there's a
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lot of sounds that will work and so you
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know in summertime where we're a lot of
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times just focused on the house and the
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foot distress mainly you get into that
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family bust up time frame carrying on
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over into breeding and pairing uh it
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really opens up the Playbook so to speak
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with the house and the prejistress
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sounds and the pup fights and the adult
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fights and the food fights and that's
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kind of the stage we've been in and what
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I typically do and you're right you
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don't know which one they're going to
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come to so I usually you know structure
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my sequence around
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house
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book flights food fights and adult
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fights as my of course that social
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interaction that I always talk about
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mixed in but then along the way ever so
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often even starting with it like you
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said along the way you're mixing in
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those different prey distress sounds for
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a few minutes to trigger a variety of
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codes depending on what their mood in is
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and what stage they're in you know
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whether they're pups that have just got
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kicked out of a family group and they're
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running in on Registries or whatever the
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case may be and for me going right on
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into
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uh pairing and breeding we basically
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just keep adding to that I don't take a
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whole lot away
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I just add breeding sounds
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to that same type sequence yeah and you
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know as you get later in the year I tell
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people all the time as you get later in
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the year
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you're I'm typically adding sounds to my
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sequence and my stands may be a little
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longer because of that right right
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that's that's pretty interesting you
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know a lot of guys are wondering you
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know how you you place these sounds
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inside the sequence usually when I talk
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about this time of year you know in
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December starting out with a rabbit
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distress you know I do that for a couple
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different reasons one of the reasons
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ever stand is situational uh you know
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Bobcat seasons are in here I like
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grilling Bobcats not to Bobcats won't
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come after you play house and all this
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other stuff uh but you know you've
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probably got a little bit better chance
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if you'll start out with some prey you
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know if I got a certain spot I think
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there's a bobcat hiding in the thick and
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I'm going to start out with a rabbit or
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a bird if they don't show up in a few
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minutes that's when I go back into my my
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coyote vocal type stuff
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yeah yeah well I mean it makes sense
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because
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once fur gets Prime and all of the
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Predators depending on where you're at
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some people are you know heavy Fox
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Hunters right and right codes and then
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like the cats like you mentioned so it
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just makes sense to start with prey
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because you can Target
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any predator you may have in the area
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whether it be a fox cow cat and then go
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right into your coyote specific sounds
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you know after you've played a few
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minutes of rabbit or bird or whatever
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you choose is a prey sound so yeah
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that's a that's always always good and I
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like to like we mentioned while ago I
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like to go back and forth you know if
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I'm if you started with a rabbit and
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then you go to some vocals then maybe go
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to a bird or another you know just
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mixing in a little bit of prey sound
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with those vocals and fights and you
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know the whole the whole deal and I
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don't people want to get critical as
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well do I play
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a pray sound then a howl then another
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prey sound or do I do house and then
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social interaction in the prey I don't
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think it matters right necessarily where
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you mix them in as long as you're just
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mixing those sounds right right I mean
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it's I don't know how many times it's
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happened like I'll start out you know
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say I just get on stand and I start out
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with uh you know a rabbit sound right
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off the bat and like I just said earlier
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I mean within two minutes sometimes one
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minute 30 seconds here comes a coyote
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burning in like they're you know
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starving to death and I've never heard a
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call before in her life you know these
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guys got to eat so they'll come to these
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prey distress sounds pretty pretty good
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especially this time of year
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yeah
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yeah
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I agree
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like we were uh like we were saying
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earlier though you know things are
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starting to change in a coyote's life
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what sounds do we need to start paying
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attention to over the next few weeks
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when it comes to breeding season type
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stuff
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well to get specific with it
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and and let's say we're targeting
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breeding couch or pairing couch and
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we're you know we're not paying
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attention to the other predators and
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we're specifically targeting coats then
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because of the pairing up and all of
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that I like to start with a long house
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answer with a different loan out and
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then go to those pair house or you can
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just start with the bear house and then
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I go from there right into that little
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bit of social interaction just like
0:11:33.120,0:11:37.680
always like they've come together and
0:11:34.920,0:11:38.519
and are just playing around fooling with
0:11:37.680,0:11:41.279
each other
0:11:38.519,0:11:42.720
and from there there's a sound
0:11:41.279,0:11:45.779
um there's actually a couple of sounds
0:11:42.720,0:11:48.060
there that I like uh one of them's mfk
0:11:45.779,0:11:52.140
sound one of them's a Foxpro sound uh
0:11:48.060,0:11:54.480
female breed and grout wines mfk sound I
0:11:52.140,0:11:57.480
really like that sound and then box Bros
0:11:54.480,0:12:00.899
uh female whimpers I like those sounds
0:11:57.480,0:12:03.019
following those howls and from there
0:12:00.899,0:12:05.820
I'll go into some of the more
0:12:03.019,0:12:08.360
aggressive if that's what you want to
0:12:05.820,0:12:12.000
call it some of the more aggressive
0:12:08.360,0:12:14.640
breeding and paired up type sounds like
0:12:12.000,0:12:17.519
a girl fight or
0:12:14.640,0:12:20.820
a hooked pair those are a couple of good
0:12:17.519,0:12:22.860
ones and then as usual I'm going to mix
0:12:20.820,0:12:24.600
those table scraps which is a food fight
0:12:22.860,0:12:27.360
I'm gonna mix those table scripts and
0:12:24.600,0:12:30.899
pound town type sounds somewhere in
0:12:27.360,0:12:34.140
there as well for uh that's a year-round
0:12:30.899,0:12:37.079
deal that I will tie on to that pairing
0:12:34.140,0:12:40.380
breeding sequence specifically
0:12:37.079,0:12:44.040
good stuff good stuff and and what about
0:12:40.380,0:12:46.500
is there is there certain house that you
0:12:44.040,0:12:49.800
you've recorded Tory when it does come
0:12:46.500,0:12:53.940
to pre breeding season time uh that you
0:12:49.800,0:12:55.920
tend to to punch on over others so to
0:12:53.940,0:12:57.480
speak for the for the breeding season
0:12:55.920,0:13:01.139
time period
0:12:57.480,0:13:03.839
those there's a series of of house from
0:13:01.139,0:13:07.980
Little B sexy little B little B Ready
0:13:03.839,0:13:12.180
House lonely little B and a hot little
0:13:07.980,0:13:15.360
bee and those four howls are actually
0:13:12.180,0:13:18.660
a true female invitation Hal I recorded
0:13:15.360,0:13:20.399
her okay most of the night and that's
0:13:18.660,0:13:22.380
another thing that that'll be good to
0:13:20.399,0:13:25.079
touch on right now
0:13:22.380,0:13:27.360
uh invitation house which are directly
0:13:25.079,0:13:29.639
related to breeding
0:13:27.360,0:13:31.980
it's my opinion that
0:13:29.639,0:13:35.399
if you want to truly do an invitation
0:13:31.980,0:13:37.260
Hal on stand and I'm I'm basing this
0:13:35.399,0:13:39.480
based off of recording and watching
0:13:37.260,0:13:41.820
couch that I knew female couch that I
0:13:39.480,0:13:44.519
knew were in heat that were alone by
0:13:41.820,0:13:46.260
themselves trying to attract another
0:13:44.519,0:13:49.500
coyote or get the attention of a male
0:13:46.260,0:13:53.399
and when they do an invitation how it's
0:13:49.500,0:13:56.040
not a series of just three or four howls
0:13:53.399,0:13:58.260
that's just in my opinion that's just a
0:13:56.040,0:14:00.300
lone house no different than she wasn't
0:13:58.260,0:14:02.519
in heat right so if you want to do a
0:14:00.300,0:14:04.320
true female imitation
0:14:02.519,0:14:06.420
you need to mimic what that guy was
0:14:04.320,0:14:09.060
doing when she's actually in heat and
0:14:06.420,0:14:10.980
typically they're howling over and over
0:14:09.060,0:14:14.519
again with little breaks and stuff like
0:14:10.980,0:14:16.320
that in between for a period of time so
0:14:14.519,0:14:19.440
going back to those four howls that I
0:14:16.320,0:14:22.260
mentioned from Little B that was her in
0:14:19.440,0:14:25.079
heat and she held most of the night
0:14:22.260,0:14:30.420
really and I recorded that series those
0:14:25.079,0:14:32.399
groups of house each each house is a
0:14:30.420,0:14:34.139
series that she did and then there would
0:14:32.399,0:14:36.300
be a little break behind it sometimes it
0:14:34.139,0:14:37.680
was 15 20 seconds sometimes it was two
0:14:36.300,0:14:41.160
or three minutes and then she'd start
0:14:37.680,0:14:43.100
back up so if I'm trying to reuse this
0:14:41.160,0:14:47.579
I'll actually eventually get a hunt up
0:14:43.100,0:14:50.399
that showcases this exact scenario
0:14:47.579,0:14:52.019
or we had held from the road a pair of
0:14:50.399,0:14:53.399
coats interests we moved in a little
0:14:52.019,0:14:55.260
closer to them
0:14:53.399,0:14:57.180
start out with those little bee house
0:14:55.260,0:14:59.880
and I ran them back to back to back and
0:14:57.180,0:15:02.399
I think I had just got to I don't even
0:14:59.880,0:15:04.380
think I made it to the fourth series and
0:15:02.399,0:15:06.420
the pair comes running in there as hard
0:15:04.380,0:15:08.760
as they can run in and I really feel
0:15:06.420,0:15:12.360
them both with a shotgun but I was nice
0:15:08.760,0:15:15.839
so so you was talking about you ran four
0:15:12.360,0:15:19.079
different series of of her house how
0:15:15.839,0:15:21.959
many how many series of those halves
0:15:19.079,0:15:23.579
will you run on a particular I know all
0:15:21.959,0:15:25.019
stands are different but you know if you
0:15:23.579,0:15:26.399
had a good stand where you was going to
0:15:25.019,0:15:27.899
howl a lot how many of those series
0:15:26.399,0:15:30.480
would you run out
0:15:27.899,0:15:33.480
I would do those four and and probably
0:15:30.480,0:15:34.380
stop even though the coyotes will do it
0:15:33.480,0:15:36.779
for
0:15:34.380,0:15:38.459
for hours you know if they're alone and
0:15:36.779,0:15:40.800
they're in heat they'll they'll sit out
0:15:38.459,0:15:43.079
there and howl for a long time now they
0:15:40.800,0:15:44.579
will put brakes in it of you know a few
0:15:43.079,0:15:46.079
minutes or several minutes and then
0:15:44.579,0:15:47.699
they'll go to Highland again
0:15:46.079,0:15:50.699
and uh
0:15:47.699,0:15:53.399
so it kind of depends on what you want
0:15:50.699,0:15:56.160
to do I think that you I think if it was
0:15:53.399,0:15:58.160
breeding season and probably any time of
0:15:56.160,0:16:01.740
the year but specific to breeding season
0:15:58.160,0:16:04.740
if you wanted to truly just mimic
0:16:01.740,0:16:06.899
a female cow in heat
0:16:04.740,0:16:10.440
you could sit there and run nothing but
0:16:06.899,0:16:12.360
those howls those house listed as female
0:16:10.440,0:16:14.760
invitation house and stuff like that I
0:16:12.360,0:16:17.100
think you could run those howls for as
0:16:14.760,0:16:18.300
long as you wanted your to sit there you
0:16:17.100,0:16:19.980
know if you wanted to sit there and run
0:16:18.300,0:16:21.959
them for an hour you could and I think
0:16:19.980,0:16:24.060
you'd call in coats that way I've never
0:16:21.959,0:16:27.000
I've never done it for that length of
0:16:24.060,0:16:28.800
time but I've seen the couch do it you
0:16:27.000,0:16:31.380
know actually set out there and howl for
0:16:28.800,0:16:33.420
long periods of time when they're in
0:16:31.380,0:16:36.480
heat and they're by themselves right
0:16:33.420,0:16:38.040
well now when they pair up when they get
0:16:36.480,0:16:40.079
they don't do that you know they they'll
0:16:38.040,0:16:42.000
do a pear aisle and then they shut down
0:16:40.079,0:16:45.240
that's every time I've seen that
0:16:42.000,0:16:47.100
consistent howling howling howling it's
0:16:45.240,0:16:49.199
when they're by themselves right right
0:16:47.100,0:16:50.759
that's uh that's pretty interesting
0:16:49.199,0:16:52.560
stuff you know I think it's probably the
0:16:50.759,0:16:54.420
first time I've ever heard it heard it
0:16:52.560,0:16:56.940
put that way but you know how many
0:16:54.420,0:17:00.240
people's got uh got coyotes like you do
0:16:56.940,0:17:02.639
so I mean you learned it from the best
0:17:00.240,0:17:04.559
and it's a good tip I used to do the
0:17:02.639,0:17:06.299
same thing I was thinking I was playing
0:17:04.559,0:17:07.699
a female imitation hell because you'll
0:17:06.299,0:17:10.380
look in a library
0:17:07.699,0:17:12.839
it may be and it was an email invitation
0:17:10.380,0:17:15.059
out so you play that female invitation
0:17:12.839,0:17:17.220
help or the series of three four five
0:17:15.059,0:17:20.640
house whatever it is in that particular
0:17:17.220,0:17:23.640
sound file and you think well I just did
0:17:20.640,0:17:25.980
a female invitation right where I don't
0:17:23.640,0:17:27.900
believe that that the couch recognized
0:17:25.980,0:17:31.200
that necessarily as a female invitation
0:17:27.900,0:17:32.880
it's just a long howl right so do it
0:17:31.200,0:17:33.840
that way and the reason I say that is
0:17:32.880,0:17:36.900
because
0:17:33.840,0:17:39.539
when little B was in heat
0:17:36.900,0:17:41.460
she was howling continuously but her
0:17:39.539,0:17:44.340
series of howls didn't sound any
0:17:41.460,0:17:46.140
different than when she's not in heat
0:17:44.340,0:17:48.840
she was just kind of looping she was
0:17:46.140,0:17:50.640
just doing it over and over again you
0:17:48.840,0:17:52.919
know that was the difference so you know
0:17:50.640,0:17:55.140
it could be summertime and her do
0:17:52.919,0:17:56.760
three or four lone house and she still
0:17:55.140,0:17:59.940
sounds like
0:17:56.760,0:18:02.340
for the most part her typical uh her
0:17:59.940,0:18:04.260
typical house sequence like a lot of
0:18:02.340,0:18:05.580
people would think of being invitation
0:18:04.260,0:18:07.679
house
0:18:05.580,0:18:09.179
right yeah and they're they're just her
0:18:07.679,0:18:10.919
long house during the summertime right
0:18:09.179,0:18:12.660
that was another thing that I picked up
0:18:10.919,0:18:14.280
on on the couch and I think I've told
0:18:12.660,0:18:16.500
you this before
0:18:14.280,0:18:20.100
each one of the coats
0:18:16.500,0:18:22.799
have their unique voice and their unique
0:18:20.100,0:18:25.559
uh voice pattern or Hal pattern right
0:18:22.799,0:18:28.559
right so you listen to
0:18:25.559,0:18:30.299
you know Boone or snack or Roux or any
0:18:28.559,0:18:32.039
of them and wild coats do the same thing
0:18:30.299,0:18:34.620
if you're around them enough and can
0:18:32.039,0:18:37.500
hear them enough you can recognize those
0:18:34.620,0:18:40.500
individual coyotes based off their Hal
0:18:37.500,0:18:42.600
pattern right and they used to throw me
0:18:40.500,0:18:44.520
off a lot in the sound libraries because
0:18:42.600,0:18:46.980
you'll listen to One sound and it's
0:18:44.520,0:18:50.520
labeled whatever the title is and those
0:18:46.980,0:18:51.419
howls may be short and almost sound you
0:18:50.520,0:18:53.039
know a lot of people would say well
0:18:51.419,0:18:55.200
those are interrogation house and
0:18:53.039,0:18:59.160
they're a little more aggressive than a
0:18:55.200,0:19:01.679
lonely long house when I think really
0:18:59.160,0:19:04.620
and truly it's just that particular
0:19:01.679,0:19:05.520
accounts how pattern and it's just their
0:19:04.620,0:19:08.220
version
0:19:05.520,0:19:10.080
of the same type how that another coat
0:19:08.220,0:19:13.679
does that may sound a little different
0:19:10.080,0:19:15.360
right right I know then that I think it
0:19:13.679,0:19:17.220
I think you made a good
0:19:15.360,0:19:19.500
something I want to touch on there you
0:19:17.220,0:19:21.600
was talking about you know every coyote
0:19:19.500,0:19:23.280
has their you know
0:19:21.600,0:19:24.600
like you can hear it when your coyote
0:19:23.280,0:19:26.340
trapped or how and you know which one it
0:19:24.600,0:19:29.039
is they have their same pattern same
0:19:26.340,0:19:32.520
voice that type of stuff I think it uh
0:19:29.039,0:19:35.460
goes to show us as coyote Hunters how
0:19:32.520,0:19:38.580
important it is to have a good set of
0:19:35.460,0:19:40.380
various howls on your on your e-collar
0:19:38.580,0:19:43.080
uh you know especially if you're hunting
0:19:40.380,0:19:45.660
the same places you know over and over
0:19:43.080,0:19:47.520
again year in year out and if you booger
0:19:45.660,0:19:49.559
up coyotes and you're running a certain
0:19:47.520,0:19:50.700
set of house you know you need to go in
0:19:49.559,0:19:51.840
there and run a different set of house
0:19:50.700,0:19:53.340
because they're going to remember that
0:19:51.840,0:19:56.160
voice more than more than likely
0:19:53.340,0:19:58.440
wouldn't you agree they they definitely
0:19:56.160,0:20:00.480
there's no question about it they
0:19:58.440,0:20:02.039
recognize each other's voice and that's
0:20:00.480,0:20:04.380
why when we've talked about howling
0:20:02.039,0:20:06.600
before and this is really important in
0:20:04.380,0:20:09.059
you know in the breeding season time
0:20:06.600,0:20:11.700
frame it simplifies the process so it's
0:20:09.059,0:20:13.380
a good thing but not only is it good
0:20:11.700,0:20:14.640
during breeding season but also any
0:20:13.380,0:20:16.140
other time of the year that we're
0:20:14.640,0:20:19.679
howling
0:20:16.140,0:20:22.860
you hear so much stuff about you know
0:20:19.679,0:20:25.500
don't play this howl it's too aggressive
0:20:22.860,0:20:28.200
it's a male it's an alpha male and you
0:20:25.500,0:20:30.799
know play this one because it's labeled
0:20:28.200,0:20:33.600
you know lonely submissive young female
0:20:30.799,0:20:35.580
and really and truly
0:20:33.600,0:20:37.559
and a lot of that information I think
0:20:35.580,0:20:40.200
came from people watching groups of
0:20:37.559,0:20:42.059
coyotes that knew each other you know
0:20:40.200,0:20:45.120
they knew the members of the group and
0:20:42.059,0:20:46.500
they knew if another cow was an outsider
0:20:45.120,0:20:48.960
or or whatever
0:20:46.500,0:20:51.179
and when we're howling at cows breeding
0:20:48.960,0:20:53.580
season and other times of the year too
0:20:51.179,0:20:56.460
those cows do not recognize the house
0:20:53.580,0:20:58.380
we're using unless like you said we
0:20:56.460,0:20:59.940
burned them up with it but we we go into
0:20:58.380,0:21:01.440
an area and that's the first time we've
0:20:59.940,0:21:03.539
played that out
0:21:01.440,0:21:05.039
then the resident coyotes or any of the
0:21:03.539,0:21:07.320
co-ops listening
0:21:05.039,0:21:08.160
they don't know nor do they care if it's
0:21:07.320,0:21:10.919
a
0:21:08.160,0:21:13.020
male coat a female coyote a old coyote
0:21:10.919,0:21:15.240
young coat they don't know that coyote
0:21:13.020,0:21:18.059
and so there's there's been no pick in
0:21:15.240,0:21:19.860
order established with that code so
0:21:18.059,0:21:22.080
they're not scared of it right I haven't
0:21:19.860,0:21:24.600
seen any indication
0:21:22.080,0:21:28.740
when it's a strange goat or a strange
0:21:24.600,0:21:30.720
goat howl that any of the coats even the
0:21:28.740,0:21:33.240
submissive goats are scared of those
0:21:30.720,0:21:35.580
house right I've seen no evidence of
0:21:33.240,0:21:38.280
that so it makes it a lot easier and
0:21:35.580,0:21:40.320
opens up our library as coyote Hunters
0:21:38.280,0:21:42.539
when we're sitting there and we're you
0:21:40.320,0:21:44.880
know we pull up our list of house
0:21:42.539,0:21:46.799
you know the our Fox Pro library and the
0:21:44.880,0:21:48.240
mfk library we're looking that gives us
0:21:46.799,0:21:51.179
a pretty vast
0:21:48.240,0:21:53.960
you know amount of house to choose from
0:21:51.179,0:21:56.100
and I think a lot of times people
0:21:53.960,0:21:58.140
eliminate some of them based on the
0:21:56.100,0:21:59.520
title or because it's a mail howl or
0:21:58.140,0:22:01.440
something like that and they shouldn't
0:21:59.520,0:22:03.299
do that right they should do exactly
0:22:01.440,0:22:06.600
what you were talking about
0:22:03.299,0:22:10.020
and use those different howls and and
0:22:06.600,0:22:12.860
not be concerned with you know the
0:22:10.020,0:22:15.539
what age they think the cow may be or
0:22:12.860,0:22:16.679
its status because when they play that
0:22:15.539,0:22:19.140
how
0:22:16.679,0:22:21.299
you know in a new area
0:22:19.140,0:22:23.520
those co-ops regardless of whether it's
0:22:21.299,0:22:24.960
a male or female young or old they're
0:22:23.520,0:22:27.120
going to be interested in those house
0:22:24.960,0:22:29.640
because it's a strange code in their
0:22:27.120,0:22:32.299
area well I you know I've on Facebook
0:22:29.640,0:22:34.980
this week There's been several questions
0:22:32.299,0:22:37.020
uh pop up I think some on the mfk
0:22:34.980,0:22:39.000
Facebook group and in other places
0:22:37.020,0:22:40.919
asking you know hey what's your favorite
0:22:39.000,0:22:43.679
mfk
0:22:40.919,0:22:45.120
house or sound files whatever you know
0:22:43.679,0:22:47.940
you'll see people pop on or anything
0:22:45.120,0:22:50.460
boom anything Boone has well you don't
0:22:47.940,0:22:51.900
want to get Nick rut too bad you know
0:22:50.460,0:22:53.520
going there and burning all your coyotes
0:22:51.900,0:22:55.440
up a boon house you know you gotta like
0:22:53.520,0:22:57.960
you said you got a little B you got you
0:22:55.440,0:22:59.039
got all these other other great coyote
0:22:57.960,0:23:00.419
house that you need to be paying
0:22:59.039,0:23:02.280
attention to because they're really good
0:23:00.419,0:23:03.900
as well not taking anything away from
0:23:02.280,0:23:05.820
Boone because man I've already killed
0:23:03.900,0:23:08.400
dozens and dozens of coyotes off of him
0:23:05.820,0:23:09.480
but uh they're really good housing there
0:23:08.400,0:23:10.860
as well that you probably need to be
0:23:09.480,0:23:13.620
mixing in
0:23:10.860,0:23:15.960
yeah no doubt about it and that's that's
0:23:13.620,0:23:18.600
another just goes to prove what we were
0:23:15.960,0:23:21.419
just talking about everybody loves Boone
0:23:18.600,0:23:24.299
Boone at the time those howls were
0:23:21.419,0:23:27.360
recorded was the dominant coyote he was
0:23:24.299,0:23:31.020
the alpha male you know right so
0:23:27.360,0:23:33.780
piles of coats being killed off of how
0:23:31.020,0:23:36.419
are off of house depending on which one
0:23:33.780,0:23:39.140
they're using right came from
0:23:36.419,0:23:43.140
the alpha male coat in a different
0:23:39.140,0:23:45.000
groups yeah right exactly you know I say
0:23:43.140,0:23:47.039
you know I see it with dogs you know
0:23:45.000,0:23:48.720
I've got three blue healers at the house
0:23:47.039,0:23:50.940
they're idiots I mean they're complete
0:23:48.720,0:23:52.740
idiots and they've got their own pecking
0:23:50.940,0:23:55.200
order you know they'll fight around and
0:23:52.740,0:23:57.299
and there's I got an old Mama coyote or
0:23:55.200,0:23:58.980
Mama blue healer there when she gets to
0:23:57.299,0:24:00.419
barking and stuff those other two kind
0:23:58.980,0:24:04.020
of cower down to her you know she's
0:24:00.419,0:24:06.059
she's the she's the boss and I tell you
0:24:04.020,0:24:08.640
what if a strange dog comes into the
0:24:06.059,0:24:10.799
yard the other two that are kind of
0:24:08.640,0:24:12.840
timid acting with to the big mama blue
0:24:10.799,0:24:14.700
healer man they're they're mean as
0:24:12.840,0:24:17.460
snakes in they they're ready to fight no
0:24:14.700,0:24:18.900
matter if it's a 100 pound Doberman you
0:24:17.460,0:24:20.159
know these little 30-pound healers are
0:24:18.900,0:24:22.260
ready to go in there and try to kill it
0:24:20.159,0:24:24.419
you know because it's a stranger
0:24:22.260,0:24:26.520
well I think a lot of the misinformation
0:24:24.419,0:24:28.679
came from
0:24:26.520,0:24:30.000
studies done in places like Yellowstone
0:24:28.679,0:24:32.280
and stuff like that where they're
0:24:30.000,0:24:35.700
watching coyotes interact
0:24:32.280,0:24:37.320
and what wasn't considered was that the
0:24:35.700,0:24:39.780
coach that they're watching interact
0:24:37.320,0:24:42.059
already know each other they've already
0:24:39.780,0:24:45.419
established a pecking order right so
0:24:42.059,0:24:47.760
that holds true with known coach just
0:24:45.419,0:24:49.200
like you said with with your dogs when
0:24:47.760,0:24:51.600
that pecking order has already been
0:24:49.200,0:24:55.080
established then yes they do cower if
0:24:51.600,0:24:57.360
the if the top coat right is doing
0:24:55.080,0:24:59.460
howling and doing his thing than the
0:24:57.360,0:25:00.539
other ones are not going to mess with
0:24:59.460,0:25:02.640
them because they've already been
0:25:00.539,0:25:05.580
whooped by those coats and they know
0:25:02.640,0:25:07.799
that pecking order but I think a lot of
0:25:05.580,0:25:10.260
information came from studies like that
0:25:07.799,0:25:12.780
and that was written and you know put
0:25:10.260,0:25:14.760
out before and that was before there
0:25:12.780,0:25:16.620
were people doing what I'm doing where
0:25:14.760,0:25:20.039
you get
0:25:16.620,0:25:22.200
free range codes acting naturally and
0:25:20.039,0:25:23.880
the introduction of coats that they
0:25:22.200,0:25:24.840
don't know you know got a group of
0:25:23.880,0:25:27.299
coyotes and then you're able to
0:25:24.840,0:25:28.320
introduce coyotes and cow vocals and
0:25:27.299,0:25:30.120
sounds
0:25:28.320,0:25:32.460
that are not part of that pecking order
0:25:30.120,0:25:33.659
and that gets me to say you know that
0:25:32.460,0:25:36.419
gets me
0:25:33.659,0:25:37.620
a front row seat to watch coyote
0:25:36.419,0:25:39.360
interaction
0:25:37.620,0:25:42.120
naturally
0:25:39.360,0:25:44.220
and how they react to a strange coat a
0:25:42.120,0:25:46.020
strange howl regardless of the age
0:25:44.220,0:25:47.400
regardless of the sex all that kind of
0:25:46.020,0:25:50.159
stuff
0:25:47.400,0:25:51.960
um you know amongst that known group and
0:25:50.159,0:25:54.539
that has an established back in order
0:25:51.960,0:25:57.000
and uh so it's you know it's changed the
0:25:54.539,0:25:59.340
way I call and I think it's changing the
0:25:57.000,0:26:02.159
way that a lot of people use their house
0:25:59.340,0:26:03.480
and put stuff together and it's a good
0:26:02.159,0:26:06.539
thing because
0:26:03.480,0:26:08.580
it really opens up our Sound Library to
0:26:06.539,0:26:11.760
use a lot more sounds that we may have
0:26:08.580,0:26:15.000
been scared to use right before yeah
0:26:11.760,0:26:17.640
yeah for sure for sure let me ask you
0:26:15.000,0:26:19.500
about uh let's go back to you're talking
0:26:17.640,0:26:21.900
about the invitation house like say from
0:26:19.500,0:26:24.600
Little B and you would you're looping
0:26:21.900,0:26:26.580
them for like three four five series
0:26:24.600,0:26:30.059
do you ever
0:26:26.580,0:26:32.940
answer those little bee house back with
0:26:30.059,0:26:35.100
say a boon house or some one of your
0:26:32.940,0:26:37.320
other coyotehouser will you answer her
0:26:35.100,0:26:39.059
uh with say a mouth diaphragm do you
0:26:37.320,0:26:40.559
ever throw in two different coyotes in
0:26:39.059,0:26:42.600
that situation or do you just let that
0:26:40.559,0:26:44.520
say little B because we brought her up
0:26:42.600,0:26:45.539
earlier just let her Loop for those four
0:26:44.520,0:26:48.539
series
0:26:45.539,0:26:51.179
yeah especially for a you know like a
0:26:48.539,0:26:53.279
blind stand where I don't know if I've
0:26:51.179,0:26:55.860
got a you know that that scenario I
0:26:53.279,0:26:58.260
described earlier I knew that I had a
0:26:55.860,0:27:00.419
pair of coats I knew it was you know
0:26:58.260,0:27:02.580
late winter they were paired up right so
0:27:00.419,0:27:05.220
I'll Target in the you know specific
0:27:02.580,0:27:06.960
coats but if I was out there on a blind
0:27:05.220,0:27:08.880
stand it'd be kind of like I mentioned
0:27:06.960,0:27:11.520
right off the bat where I would do like
0:27:08.880,0:27:14.880
a bone howl and follow it with a roux or
0:27:11.520,0:27:17.039
a little B and then maybe do like Boo
0:27:14.880,0:27:19.260
repair house so you could take Boone
0:27:17.039,0:27:20.400
long wine house or any of the Boone
0:27:19.260,0:27:22.919
house
0:27:20.400,0:27:25.679
throw in one of the Roo house and then
0:27:22.919,0:27:27.659
do boo repair house and you know kind of
0:27:25.679,0:27:29.640
create that if you're into creating
0:27:27.659,0:27:31.620
scenarios I don't really think the
0:27:29.640,0:27:34.919
coyotes put that much thought into it
0:27:31.620,0:27:37.020
right but if they do that's a good way
0:27:34.919,0:27:39.960
you know to approach it and that's uh
0:27:37.020,0:27:42.299
that would be more of a standard uh
0:27:39.960,0:27:44.820
sequence that I would use because most
0:27:42.299,0:27:46.860
of the time unless I'm targeting you
0:27:44.820,0:27:48.539
know specific and and have some
0:27:46.860,0:27:50.640
indication that I'm dealing with a pair
0:27:48.539,0:27:53.159
of coach or something like that I'm
0:27:50.640,0:27:55.140
probably not going to do the the
0:27:53.159,0:27:57.179
repetitive invitation Hal I'm going to
0:27:55.140,0:27:58.380
give them you know more stuff right
0:27:57.179,0:28:01.679
instead of
0:27:58.380,0:28:03.380
and and like we talked about
0:28:01.679,0:28:06.480
I mean I know we're talking about
0:28:03.380,0:28:09.179
specific targeting coyote specifically
0:28:06.480,0:28:11.100
during that breeding time frame but I'm
0:28:09.179,0:28:13.320
I'm still gonna mix those prey distress
0:28:11.100,0:28:15.539
sounds in there that's the next question
0:28:13.320,0:28:17.159
I had do you or do you still running any
0:28:15.539,0:28:19.620
kind of prey distress sounds in your
0:28:17.159,0:28:21.720
breeding sequences yeah because you've
0:28:19.620,0:28:23.520
got to keep that because all your coats
0:28:21.720,0:28:26.039
are your every couch you're targeting
0:28:23.520,0:28:28.260
just because it's breeding season is not
0:28:26.039,0:28:30.960
a you know it's not a breeding coat it's
0:28:28.260,0:28:33.179
not part of a paired up group you still
0:28:30.960,0:28:35.220
have those pups that are that are out
0:28:33.179,0:28:37.200
there that are more than likely going to
0:28:35.220,0:28:40.559
come to those prey distressed sounds so
0:28:37.200,0:28:42.779
I'm when I'm running a sequence we
0:28:40.559,0:28:45.600
touched on it right off the bat my
0:28:42.779,0:28:48.659
sequences get I get more sounds and my
0:28:45.600,0:28:50.820
sequences get longer as the year gets
0:28:48.659,0:28:53.700
longer pretty much or as we get deeper
0:28:50.820,0:28:56.460
into the year uh because you know right
0:28:53.700,0:28:58.620
now and just prior to right now
0:28:56.460,0:29:00.840
we were running we weren't running many
0:28:58.620,0:29:02.340
breeding specific sounds even though
0:29:00.840,0:29:04.799
they work year-round we probably wasn't
0:29:02.340,0:29:07.260
mixing much of that in we were doing the
0:29:04.799,0:29:09.659
the pup bites and the mixing the prey
0:29:07.260,0:29:11.580
distress in like we talked about but now
0:29:09.659,0:29:15.000
that it's getting a little bit later
0:29:11.580,0:29:16.440
I'm still gonna mix those sounds in I'm
0:29:15.000,0:29:18.779
just going to add those breeding sounds
0:29:16.440,0:29:21.659
to it and uh
0:29:18.779,0:29:24.059
to try to Target any coyote especially
0:29:21.659,0:29:26.039
on those blind stands where you go sit
0:29:24.059,0:29:28.679
down in a good spot and you don't know
0:29:26.039,0:29:29.460
for sure what the coach you're calling
0:29:28.679,0:29:31.140
to
0:29:29.460,0:29:33.960
or do it you don't know if you're
0:29:31.140,0:29:37.440
calling a two or three pups that have
0:29:33.960,0:29:38.580
busted up or if you've got a pair there
0:29:37.440,0:29:41.640
that's
0:29:38.580,0:29:43.440
pushed everything off to the side right
0:29:41.640,0:29:46.380
you know I'm I'm gonna try to throw some
0:29:43.440,0:29:48.960
sounds out there that would trigger any
0:29:46.380,0:29:51.659
of those coyotes that may be listening
0:29:48.960,0:29:54.899
well let me ask you this when when do
0:29:51.659,0:29:57.600
you start mixing in some of your
0:29:54.899,0:29:59.940
breeding type sounds into your sequence
0:29:57.600,0:30:01.799
what what time of the year do you say is
0:29:59.940,0:30:03.899
kind of you know I know it goes from
0:30:01.799,0:30:06.899
year to year but you know historically
0:30:03.899,0:30:09.440
when do you start kind of mixing in some
0:30:06.899,0:30:13.440
some breeding type stuff
0:30:09.440,0:30:16.200
December January time frame on through
0:30:13.440,0:30:18.299
February right and and of course I think
0:30:16.200,0:30:20.340
we talked about that the very first
0:30:18.299,0:30:23.640
podcast that we did you start getting
0:30:20.340,0:30:25.860
into that tail end of February
0:30:23.640,0:30:28.320
you know even though you're still in the
0:30:25.860,0:30:30.179
breeding season everything overlaps so
0:30:28.320,0:30:32.159
breeding will overlap into that they get
0:30:30.179,0:30:34.140
dented on their mind we'll start in
0:30:32.159,0:30:36.360
those those dinning sounds in with the
0:30:34.140,0:30:39.539
breeding sounds and calling in coats on
0:30:36.360,0:30:41.700
on both things so right now
0:30:39.539,0:30:44.520
we're kind of overlapping pairing and
0:30:41.700,0:30:47.640
breeding to that family bust up time
0:30:44.520,0:30:49.620
frame so you've got sounds that are
0:30:47.640,0:30:51.840
more specific probably to the family
0:30:49.620,0:30:54.299
bust up time frame and some that are
0:30:51.840,0:30:55.500
more specific to the breeding time frame
0:30:54.299,0:30:57.779
because we're not
0:30:55.500,0:30:59.940
that deep into it yet but they're
0:30:57.779,0:31:01.679
already starting to get it on their
0:30:59.940,0:31:04.559
minds so you can start calling coyotes
0:31:01.679,0:31:06.299
with right with breeding sounds I mean
0:31:04.559,0:31:07.200
you can call them year round but you
0:31:06.299,0:31:10.039
know
0:31:07.200,0:31:13.140
now is the time to start
0:31:10.039,0:31:14.820
favoring those type sounds and making
0:31:13.140,0:31:16.919
sure you're including them in a in a
0:31:14.820,0:31:19.200
sequence I know it seems like with me
0:31:16.919,0:31:22.020
historically just you know for me I'm
0:31:19.200,0:31:25.500
talking mainly about Kentucky coyotes
0:31:22.020,0:31:27.120
you know uh Kentucky Tennessee Ohio area
0:31:25.500,0:31:29.279
would probably Virginia would probably
0:31:27.120,0:31:31.799
come into play uh it's like Christmas
0:31:29.279,0:31:33.240
week it seems like Christmas week you
0:31:31.799,0:31:35.159
know I'll you know I've always tried to
0:31:33.240,0:31:36.480
mix in some stuff here and there earlier
0:31:35.159,0:31:38.580
than that but it seems like something
0:31:36.480,0:31:40.500
around Christmas week and first week of
0:31:38.580,0:31:43.799
January is when you really start seeing
0:31:40.500,0:31:45.419
those Dynamic call-ins to uh uh whimpers
0:31:43.799,0:31:48.419
and stuff like that where you really see
0:31:45.419,0:31:51.539
you you notice coyotes are interested in
0:31:48.419,0:31:53.940
that sound in that sound sequence yeah
0:31:51.539,0:31:56.760
yeah I agree with that because I think
0:31:53.940,0:31:58.679
by that time frame you're you're kind of
0:31:56.760,0:32:01.740
past that overlap Point you're getting
0:31:58.679,0:32:04.980
into more of the specifics of paired up
0:32:01.740,0:32:07.980
coyotes and then into into the breeding
0:32:04.980,0:32:11.760
side of it so yeah and and what are you
0:32:07.980,0:32:13.440
I mean you do a lot more calling than I
0:32:11.760,0:32:15.720
do this time of the year I mean I bow
0:32:13.440,0:32:17.880
hunt I'm heavy bow hunting through that
0:32:15.720,0:32:19.980
right right so October through pretty
0:32:17.880,0:32:22.700
much January time frame before I swamp
0:32:19.980,0:32:22.700
back over there
0:32:23.299,0:32:28.200
are you doing anything different than
0:32:25.740,0:32:30.000
I'm doing that they need to no not
0:32:28.200,0:32:31.500
really and that's that's the thing we've
0:32:30.000,0:32:33.179
talked about this fourth other guys you
0:32:31.500,0:32:35.520
know when when you kind of get talking
0:32:33.179,0:32:36.840
with successful coyote callers when I
0:32:35.520,0:32:39.720
say succeed you know what I would
0:32:36.840,0:32:41.220
consider consistently successful coyote
0:32:39.720,0:32:44.039
Hunters you'll find out that they're
0:32:41.220,0:32:45.960
calling Styles and sequences are pretty
0:32:44.039,0:32:48.419
familiar you know they're pretty close
0:32:45.960,0:32:50.279
with each other and it's kind of amazing
0:32:48.419,0:32:53.940
when talking to people like you and
0:32:50.279,0:32:56.220
Corey Groff and uh Jimmy white and all
0:32:53.940,0:32:58.799
these these guys that you know that are
0:32:56.220,0:33:00.480
really successful it you know like man
0:32:58.799,0:33:02.039
you know I do the same thing you know it
0:33:00.480,0:33:04.260
kind of reassures you that you're doing
0:33:02.039,0:33:06.299
what you're doing works or and other
0:33:04.260,0:33:08.279
people like it same type of stuff but uh
0:33:06.299,0:33:10.020
yeah it's kind of
0:33:08.279,0:33:12.120
it's like this time of year people think
0:33:10.020,0:33:13.620
I'm probably doing something special you
0:33:12.120,0:33:15.899
know I'll probably go tomorrow morning
0:33:13.620,0:33:18.779
I'll start my standoff with a series of
0:33:15.899,0:33:21.659
hows it might be like Boone Winehouse or
0:33:18.779,0:33:24.000
come here lonely or say Foxpro soar
0:33:21.659,0:33:26.039
house I'll wait like two minutes and go
0:33:24.000,0:33:28.559
into a rabbit like cagey Cottontail
0:33:26.039,0:33:30.659
cotton bomb you know whatever just pick
0:33:28.559,0:33:31.740
one of Mrs MC Cottontail now I'll
0:33:30.659,0:33:33.059
probably run that up like the eight
0:33:31.740,0:33:34.919
minute mark
0:33:33.059,0:33:36.960
and then I start putting in a little bit
0:33:34.919,0:33:39.120
of like you you turned me on to
0:33:36.960,0:33:40.380
submissive beggar you know I'll run a
0:33:39.120,0:33:43.860
couple minutes of that almost like
0:33:40.380,0:33:46.559
setting that stage of uh you know
0:33:43.860,0:33:48.840
Coyotes out there he caught a rabbit
0:33:46.559,0:33:50.640
another Coyote's coming and showing
0:33:48.840,0:33:52.740
dominance over another coyote and then I
0:33:50.640,0:33:55.320
end up finishing with a fight type thing
0:33:52.740,0:33:56.519
and it just works they're either gonna
0:33:55.320,0:33:57.899
come to the house they're going to come
0:33:56.519,0:33:59.279
to the rabbit they're going to come to
0:33:57.899,0:34:00.480
the submissive sounds or they're going
0:33:59.279,0:34:02.100
to come to the fight if they're there
0:34:00.480,0:34:06.120
you're just kind of casting that
0:34:02.100,0:34:07.980
broadest net and I it sounds simple I
0:34:06.120,0:34:09.540
think it sounds simple but everybody
0:34:07.980,0:34:11.159
thinks you're probably playing some kind
0:34:09.540,0:34:13.619
of sound that nobody's ever heard of
0:34:11.159,0:34:15.179
before and if they just had that sound
0:34:13.619,0:34:17.040
that they would just automatically start
0:34:15.179,0:34:18.899
calling coyotes in left and right and it
0:34:17.040,0:34:20.839
really is that simple I'm just kind of
0:34:18.899,0:34:23.700
telling the story you know
0:34:20.839,0:34:24.960
and another thing you know when you like
0:34:23.700,0:34:26.280
you said when you get to talking to
0:34:24.960,0:34:28.679
people
0:34:26.280,0:34:30.060
and you end up because we didn't we
0:34:28.679,0:34:31.940
don't rehearse any of this prior to
0:34:30.060,0:34:35.460
getting on the phone
0:34:31.940,0:34:36.839
I call Dory up actually Tori uh we
0:34:35.460,0:34:39.119
missed he had a problem with his phone
0:34:36.839,0:34:40.500
service there and he missed a call I
0:34:39.119,0:34:43.500
called him back two minutes later he
0:34:40.500,0:34:45.540
hops on and we we chit chat for like 20
0:34:43.500,0:34:47.460
seconds and I said you ready to get this
0:34:45.540,0:34:51.000
thing started and I hit record and here
0:34:47.460,0:34:53.760
we are so there's no rehearsing and when
0:34:51.000,0:34:55.320
you start talking to to people in that
0:34:53.760,0:34:57.599
you know you just you hear what they're
0:34:55.320,0:34:58.500
doing and and the background behind all
0:34:57.599,0:35:01.740
that
0:34:58.500,0:35:04.200
is there's a lot of blank stands and a
0:35:01.740,0:35:06.480
lot of keeping on going oh my goodness
0:35:04.200,0:35:08.700
up until you get to the point that you
0:35:06.480,0:35:10.619
figure out all right this stuff works
0:35:08.700,0:35:11.820
and then you talk to somebody else and
0:35:10.619,0:35:14.700
you figure out well
0:35:11.820,0:35:16.740
you know they may not say it but they
0:35:14.700,0:35:19.560
did the same thing they made a lot of
0:35:16.740,0:35:21.960
blank stands but they changed stuff and
0:35:19.560,0:35:25.680
figured out what you know different
0:35:21.960,0:35:28.619
things that work and you in the long run
0:35:25.680,0:35:30.780
both guys end up in the same place a lot
0:35:28.619,0:35:32.700
of times even though they may not be
0:35:30.780,0:35:36.180
calling different areas they're they're
0:35:32.700,0:35:38.700
doing a lot of similar stuff because it
0:35:36.180,0:35:41.520
is what works no matter where you live
0:35:38.700,0:35:46.220
in the country right those type column
0:35:41.520,0:35:46.220
sequences and setups will will work
0:35:47.660,0:35:52.200
a little bit further I guess when you
0:35:49.980,0:35:55.320
was asking what I'd be doing you know my
0:35:52.200,0:35:56.760
sequences do change uh sometimes you
0:35:55.320,0:35:59.220
know usually it has to do with spring
0:35:56.760,0:36:01.020
summer fall winter but a lot of times it
0:35:59.220,0:36:02.760
goes from week to week especially when
0:36:01.020,0:36:04.920
we're getting into this December January
0:36:02.760,0:36:07.260
time frame you know I'm going to start
0:36:04.920,0:36:10.260
shorting up how much prey distress I
0:36:07.260,0:36:13.200
play and you know I'll shorten it up
0:36:10.260,0:36:15.300
because I'm I'm wanting to get to that
0:36:13.200,0:36:18.480
breeding type stuff you know
0:36:15.300,0:36:21.300
I guess one of my typical type breeding
0:36:18.480,0:36:23.099
sequences say starting Christmas week
0:36:21.300,0:36:25.140
like I was talking about earlier and on
0:36:23.099,0:36:27.960
up into January especially is I might
0:36:25.140,0:36:30.060
usually I'll start out with my rabbit
0:36:27.960,0:36:31.800
just like two minutes of it pretty light
0:36:30.060,0:36:34.200
volume just in case there's a coyote
0:36:31.800,0:36:35.880
right there that's you know that's
0:36:34.200,0:36:37.440
hungry that wants to run to the call or
0:36:35.880,0:36:39.540
if there's a bobcat laid up here or
0:36:37.440,0:36:41.520
whatever but nothing shows up in those
0:36:39.540,0:36:43.560
first two minutes I'm going right into
0:36:41.520,0:36:45.540
my coyote vocal stuff you know for
0:36:43.560,0:36:48.119
breeding season type stuff I'll let out
0:36:45.540,0:36:49.560
my series the house I I asked you
0:36:48.119,0:36:51.660
earlier about you ever answer any of
0:36:49.560,0:36:53.339
those house back one thing I like to
0:36:51.660,0:36:55.740
start doing I would let out like two or
0:36:53.339,0:36:57.660
three halves with a mouth diaphragm and
0:36:55.740,0:36:59.880
then I would almost cut myself off with
0:36:57.660,0:37:01.740
the Foxpro howling with something else
0:36:59.880,0:37:04.079
you know pretty aggressive sound like a
0:37:01.740,0:37:05.760
female sore Hal or whatever I'll be
0:37:04.079,0:37:08.040
using a lot more of the mfk owls this
0:37:05.760,0:37:09.599
year uh but you know I'd let that play
0:37:08.040,0:37:12.119
out then I would start mixing in pup
0:37:09.599,0:37:13.800
distresses with with female whimpers and
0:37:12.119,0:37:15.839
that type of stuff and and like I said
0:37:13.800,0:37:18.780
the reason I start doing it
0:37:15.839,0:37:19.680
um that time frame is from years of
0:37:18.780,0:37:22.140
hunting
0:37:19.680,0:37:24.359
and calling coyotes that's when I
0:37:22.140,0:37:26.820
noticed that type of sequence really
0:37:24.359,0:37:27.960
started to pay off you know that's the
0:37:26.820,0:37:30.660
reason I do it
0:37:27.960,0:37:34.619
yeah and that that mirrors real similar
0:37:30.660,0:37:36.660
I think it was cans as we went to Kansas
0:37:34.619,0:37:38.820
as it was year before last
0:37:36.660,0:37:41.040
and uh it might have been last year I
0:37:38.820,0:37:44.400
can't remember but anyway we were in
0:37:41.040,0:37:46.500
Kansas and we're trying some basically I
0:37:44.400,0:37:48.660
was casting a broad net
0:37:46.500,0:37:49.980
with that sound sequence that we were
0:37:48.660,0:37:52.440
talking about earlier where I was
0:37:49.980,0:37:55.079
running a whole bunch of sounds but we
0:37:52.440,0:37:57.720
started calling in codes with some
0:37:55.079,0:37:59.940
specific sounds and the sounds or the
0:37:57.720,0:38:01.980
sequence that we ended up with and that
0:37:59.940,0:38:03.720
we call the most counts up with and it
0:38:01.980,0:38:05.460
took us kind of a couple of days to
0:38:03.720,0:38:07.260
figure them out you know or they're
0:38:05.460,0:38:09.540
biting on this and they're you know
0:38:07.260,0:38:11.160
they're not on that and adjusting those
0:38:09.540,0:38:15.079
sequences like you were talking about
0:38:11.160,0:38:17.640
but we ended up doing pretty much the uh
0:38:15.079,0:38:20.280
the same scenario that you're talking
0:38:17.640,0:38:21.900
about we were I was running the call and
0:38:20.280,0:38:24.900
dating and a couple other guys were
0:38:21.900,0:38:27.359
doing the shooting but uh I was running
0:38:24.900,0:38:29.640
a couple of howls mixing those diaphragm
0:38:27.359,0:38:32.579
housing then I was going right to this
0:38:29.640,0:38:35.040
sound was was fire out there it was
0:38:32.579,0:38:36.540
female breed and growl female breeding
0:38:35.040,0:38:40.079
ground wines
0:38:36.540,0:38:42.180
um is the entire title but um we would
0:38:40.079,0:38:45.000
run that and had couch coming in on that
0:38:42.180,0:38:46.920
sound and then I would go and mix in
0:38:45.000,0:38:49.200
some of those social interaction like
0:38:46.920,0:38:52.200
submissive Mega or something like that
0:38:49.200,0:38:54.359
and then go to girl fight and
0:38:52.200,0:38:57.020
occasionally make mix and hooked power
0:38:54.359,0:39:01.020
in with that but specifically girl fight
0:38:57.020,0:39:02.400
and which is a different sounds but a
0:39:01.020,0:39:04.260
real similar
0:39:02.400,0:39:08.460
scenario to what you said you were
0:39:04.260,0:39:10.680
having luck with too so you know it said
0:39:08.460,0:39:13.260
it shows that
0:39:10.680,0:39:15.599
you get more sound specific and I guess
0:39:13.260,0:39:18.300
make adjustments to your sound sequence
0:39:15.599,0:39:20.640
as you figure out where the coats are at
0:39:18.300,0:39:22.560
you know during their life cycle and
0:39:20.640,0:39:24.780
their behavior patterns for specific
0:39:22.560,0:39:27.240
times of the year right right and that's
0:39:24.780,0:39:29.820
the thing my I mean I'm still gonna be
0:39:27.240,0:39:33.079
playing some of the same sounds through
0:39:29.820,0:39:35.820
December but as December goes on I sound
0:39:33.079,0:39:38.099
my sound sequences are going to be
0:39:35.820,0:39:39.960
evolving you know week to week sometime
0:39:38.099,0:39:41.520
day to day you know just depends on what
0:39:39.960,0:39:42.960
the coyotes are doing and just like you
0:39:41.520,0:39:45.540
were talking about you started noticing
0:39:42.960,0:39:47.579
they were responding to certain stuff
0:39:45.540,0:39:49.200
and those sequences you know and I start
0:39:47.579,0:39:51.300
seeing that a lot of times I cut other
0:39:49.200,0:39:53.099
stuff out that no coyotes are showing up
0:39:51.300,0:39:54.300
to you know I might skip a sound you
0:39:53.099,0:39:56.099
know and go ahead and go to that stuff
0:39:54.300,0:39:57.660
that they're showing up on
0:39:56.099,0:39:58.980
um you know to kind of streamline it so
0:39:57.660,0:40:00.960
to speak
0:39:58.980,0:40:03.480
and I think after you do it for a few
0:40:00.960,0:40:05.820
years you kind of know you learn those
0:40:03.480,0:40:07.920
time frames and you kind of know
0:40:05.820,0:40:09.660
You're Expecting
0:40:07.920,0:40:11.760
when those sounds are going to start
0:40:09.660,0:40:14.220
working but for for the new people that
0:40:11.760,0:40:17.520
are listening I think a good you know
0:40:14.220,0:40:19.500
good advice is to cast that broad net to
0:40:17.520,0:40:22.020
where you're you're trying to trigger
0:40:19.500,0:40:23.640
coyotes with prey distress sounds howls
0:40:22.020,0:40:26.400
you know you're mixing all of those
0:40:23.640,0:40:28.560
sounds into a sequence
0:40:26.400,0:40:30.780
and and have a pattern to it to where
0:40:28.560,0:40:33.780
you know that you've made you know a
0:40:30.780,0:40:35.900
handful of sounds a new brand you know
0:40:33.780,0:40:38.880
sounds from
0:40:35.900,0:40:40.920
uh the house and from social interaction
0:40:38.880,0:40:42.599
and from praying you mix two or three
0:40:40.920,0:40:45.540
different sounds from those different
0:40:42.599,0:40:48.480
trigger categories into each
0:40:45.540,0:40:50.579
stand sequence that you've done and you
0:40:48.480,0:40:51.960
should start seeing a pattern if and the
0:40:50.579,0:40:53.940
key to this is knowing that you're
0:40:51.960,0:40:55.380
calling the codes I mean we've talked
0:40:53.940,0:40:57.180
about that before coyotes have to be
0:40:55.380,0:40:58.680
listening right but if you're making a
0:40:57.180,0:41:01.200
handful of stands
0:40:58.680,0:41:03.540
and you're casting a broad net
0:41:01.200,0:41:05.280
you should start calling cows in on
0:41:03.540,0:41:07.740
something you should start seeing a
0:41:05.280,0:41:09.540
pattern at Art culture triggering to
0:41:07.740,0:41:12.240
pray distress sounds they're triggering
0:41:09.540,0:41:14.460
to these breeding sounds and you may
0:41:12.240,0:41:16.980
have a couple stands where they trigger
0:41:14.460,0:41:19.140
to a couple of different sounds from do
0:41:16.980,0:41:20.940
that's when you can start shortening
0:41:19.140,0:41:24.060
that sequence up and pulling some of
0:41:20.940,0:41:25.680
those those sounds out or rearrange into
0:41:24.060,0:41:28.400
where you're moving those sounds that
0:41:25.680,0:41:31.380
are working forward in the sequence and
0:41:28.400,0:41:34.140
uh targeting what those guys want to
0:41:31.380,0:41:35.700
hear right and I and I tell you what one
0:41:34.140,0:41:37.020
thing you know just got me thinking
0:41:35.700,0:41:39.060
about that where you were talking about
0:41:37.020,0:41:41.940
you kind of you can kind of figure out
0:41:39.060,0:41:43.079
pretty quick when you know coyotes are
0:41:41.940,0:41:44.640
just like kind of like deer you know
0:41:43.079,0:41:46.980
they kind of have like a little pre-rut
0:41:44.640,0:41:48.660
type stuff then then rut you know and
0:41:46.980,0:41:50.579
then upholster it kind of goes into you
0:41:48.660,0:41:52.440
know thinking about dinning but the kind
0:41:50.579,0:41:54.420
of hit what I've always seen kind of
0:41:52.440,0:41:55.619
like a pre-rut type thing that I've
0:41:54.420,0:41:57.480
noticed when it's starting to happen
0:41:55.619,0:42:01.200
what makes me think I need to start
0:41:57.480,0:42:04.200
running my breeding type sounds is
0:42:01.200,0:42:06.180
it seems like always mid December
0:42:04.200,0:42:08.280
towards the end of December you'll
0:42:06.180,0:42:09.720
always start calling in some coyotes to
0:42:08.280,0:42:11.880
your house you know you'll let out a
0:42:09.720,0:42:14.640
series of Lone house and all sudden Here
0:42:11.880,0:42:16.619
Comes This coyote it's all bristled up
0:42:14.640,0:42:18.839
and it's a little bit old dainty looking
0:42:16.619,0:42:19.980
coyote and you know you shoot it and
0:42:18.839,0:42:22.920
kill it and you go out there and it's
0:42:19.980,0:42:24.660
it's a female and I don't know what it
0:42:22.920,0:42:26.040
is but I've noticed
0:42:24.660,0:42:28.140
kind of when they first start getting
0:42:26.040,0:42:31.140
into that breeding type stuff you'll
0:42:28.140,0:42:33.060
call in a lot of Lone female coyotes to
0:42:31.140,0:42:34.200
your house I don't really know what it
0:42:33.060,0:42:36.599
is I don't know if they're trying to run
0:42:34.200,0:42:39.300
Coyotes out of the area that might get
0:42:36.599,0:42:40.619
bred what the deal is but usually you'll
0:42:39.300,0:42:42.660
start seeing that next thing you know
0:42:40.619,0:42:44.640
you start checking them out and those
0:42:42.660,0:42:46.560
female coyotes are spotting you know
0:42:44.640,0:42:48.000
they're they're coming in the they're
0:42:46.560,0:42:49.440
coming in the Heat and that's what
0:42:48.000,0:42:51.420
really tells me hey I need to start
0:42:49.440,0:42:55.260
running this breeding type stuff
0:42:51.420,0:42:56.460
yeah you and you're mentioning that I
0:42:55.260,0:42:59.220
don't know what it is about them they're
0:42:56.460,0:43:02.660
kind of like women them female cows just
0:42:59.220,0:43:05.280
meaner they are meaner than the males
0:43:02.660,0:43:08.819
the males might fight and wrestle around
0:43:05.280,0:43:12.480
and but it's it's not near doesn't seem
0:43:08.819,0:43:14.280
to be near as vicious as when those
0:43:12.480,0:43:16.440
females get worked up when they get and
0:43:14.280,0:43:17.819
they are oh my goodness when you get two
0:43:16.440,0:43:20.220
of them in heat
0:43:17.819,0:43:22.560
some of the fight stuff I've got some
0:43:20.220,0:43:25.200
that are not I hadn't got them ready to
0:43:22.560,0:43:26.760
release yet but I recorded some some
0:43:25.200,0:43:29.400
breeding fights
0:43:26.760,0:43:30.960
that were with female cows we talked
0:43:29.400,0:43:33.660
about them before a little bit I
0:43:30.960,0:43:36.240
mentioned them to you it's it's one of
0:43:33.660,0:43:39.000
those things where you think if you know
0:43:36.240,0:43:42.020
something don't change one of them's
0:43:39.000,0:43:44.579
fixing to die right
0:43:42.020,0:43:46.020
and and it seems like if you ever get
0:43:44.579,0:43:48.680
two of them that don't like each other
0:43:46.020,0:43:51.420
it's for Life
0:43:48.680,0:43:54.839
yeah I guess just like women that's just
0:43:51.420,0:43:56.880
like women yeah plus they don't like
0:43:54.839,0:43:59.220
each other I've got two in particular
0:43:56.880,0:44:00.060
and they were they were sisters
0:43:59.220,0:44:03.660
um
0:44:00.060,0:44:04.980
the one I called stanky and abusion yep
0:44:03.660,0:44:07.440
and
0:44:04.980,0:44:09.660
they I mean
0:44:07.440,0:44:11.520
if they well they don't get around each
0:44:09.660,0:44:12.960
other but if they do it's bad it's a
0:44:11.520,0:44:15.300
it's all right
0:44:12.960,0:44:17.400
yeah yeah that's the thing I mean you
0:44:15.300,0:44:20.099
know it like like I'm saying it usually
0:44:17.400,0:44:23.579
happens mid December just say year to
0:44:20.099,0:44:25.260
year or into December you'll let out a
0:44:23.579,0:44:26.819
series of hows and right before I start
0:44:25.260,0:44:28.980
to hit that rabbit I look up and here
0:44:26.819,0:44:31.560
comes this coyote out and they'll be
0:44:28.980,0:44:34.680
bristled Hackle sticking straight up and
0:44:31.560,0:44:37.260
ears pointed forward and and almost
0:44:34.680,0:44:39.359
every I'd say 99 of the time it's a
0:44:37.260,0:44:42.540
female it's a female
0:44:39.359,0:44:43.920
they definitely mean and don't mind and
0:44:42.540,0:44:45.420
that's the same thing like you know
0:44:43.920,0:44:47.400
you're talking about like say decoy
0:44:45.420,0:44:49.740
dogging in the summer you know all of
0:44:47.400,0:44:52.020
them can decoy a little bit and fight a
0:44:49.740,0:44:54.000
little but those coyotes that you hear
0:44:52.020,0:44:56.040
these decoy dogger guys talk about that
0:44:54.000,0:44:57.300
are like those alligators that want to
0:44:56.040,0:44:59.460
bite on a coyote and they're really
0:44:57.300,0:45:01.980
vocal and yappy and mean they're using
0:44:59.460,0:45:03.420
old skanky old female it's usually what
0:45:01.980,0:45:06.060
they are they're usually the meanest one
0:45:03.420,0:45:08.099
out of the Buns yeah hates everybody
0:45:06.060,0:45:10.319
yeah you and it's usually a female
0:45:08.099,0:45:12.240
that's dry it's like you know part of a
0:45:10.319,0:45:14.940
dinning group it's just like a helper
0:45:12.240,0:45:16.040
that's probably too old to breeds good
0:45:14.940,0:45:19.200
grief
0:45:16.040,0:45:20.880
now it's they're definitely when you
0:45:19.200,0:45:23.160
when you brought up the females coming
0:45:20.880,0:45:26.280
in all worked up that it wasn't a
0:45:23.160,0:45:27.720
surprise because they are the males will
0:45:26.280,0:45:29.579
get into some pretty you know some
0:45:27.720,0:45:32.520
pretty good knock down drag outs but
0:45:29.579,0:45:35.280
it's not like the uh it doesn't seem to
0:45:32.520,0:45:37.980
be as aggressive as the as the female
0:45:35.280,0:45:39.480
fights right right well let me ask you
0:45:37.980,0:45:41.220
this this is just kind of a thing you
0:45:39.480,0:45:42.720
know when you get into the paired up
0:45:41.220,0:45:44.220
coyote you know you've always heard
0:45:42.720,0:45:46.920
everybody talk about you know how you
0:45:44.220,0:45:48.180
try to shoot that female first uh so you
0:45:46.920,0:45:49.740
have a better chance of picking up that
0:45:48.180,0:45:51.900
double calling the mail back in or
0:45:49.740,0:45:53.760
getting the stop do you see any
0:45:51.900,0:45:56.819
correlation with that you you see that
0:45:53.760,0:46:00.060
to be true when you're on a costume yeah
0:45:56.819,0:46:02.400
I actually do buy into that because I've
0:46:00.060,0:46:05.040
had that happen a few times to where one
0:46:02.400,0:46:06.839
in in particular well a couple a couple
0:46:05.040,0:46:09.119
of different stands last year as long
0:46:06.839,0:46:10.560
about that same time frame me and Kerry
0:46:09.119,0:46:11.880
Wayne went out one morning and it's that
0:46:10.560,0:46:13.740
story I was telling you about before
0:46:11.880,0:46:16.200
where I did the female invitations the
0:46:13.740,0:46:18.420
two came running in that same little
0:46:16.200,0:46:22.500
stretch of time we were having a lot of
0:46:18.420,0:46:25.260
a lot of pairs coming in and a couple of
0:46:22.500,0:46:28.560
different times we we called in to pair
0:46:25.260,0:46:29.940
and only killed one and of course this
0:46:28.560,0:46:32.040
was hunting in the woods and stuff like
0:46:29.940,0:46:33.900
that so we didn't a lot of time we were
0:46:32.040,0:46:36.359
able to get that other cow to come back
0:46:33.900,0:46:37.859
up but just out of sight you know
0:46:36.359,0:46:40.260
standing out there yapping barking
0:46:37.859,0:46:42.599
Burger barking right and couldn't get
0:46:40.260,0:46:44.940
him killed but we in
0:46:42.599,0:46:48.359
those cases the female is what we'd
0:46:44.940,0:46:51.180
killed first I see both times I went
0:46:48.359,0:46:53.880
back right back to that same area the
0:46:51.180,0:46:55.079
same day that afternoon both hunts took
0:46:53.880,0:46:56.880
place in the morning killed a female
0:46:55.079,0:46:59.819
went back that afternoon
0:46:56.880,0:47:01.859
set up in the same spot I've got one of
0:46:59.819,0:47:05.520
these uh that I still filmed that I
0:47:01.859,0:47:07.260
still hadn't put out but uh went back to
0:47:05.520,0:47:08.700
the same spot the female was still
0:47:07.260,0:47:12.780
laying there dead from that morning
0:47:08.700,0:47:15.060
right I set up with inside of her how he
0:47:12.780,0:47:17.760
answered out there probably 200 yards
0:47:15.060,0:47:19.319
away I moved up just a little bit
0:47:17.760,0:47:21.180
because it was plenty thick enough he
0:47:19.319,0:47:23.280
was kind of on the edge I moved up just
0:47:21.180,0:47:25.200
a little bit called that thing right in
0:47:23.280,0:47:27.180
killed him I'm sure it was the same coat
0:47:25.200,0:47:29.400
that was paired up with her that morning
0:47:27.180,0:47:32.099
and uh pretty wild
0:47:29.400,0:47:34.680
yeah and then I went after that went
0:47:32.099,0:47:37.140
right back and did it again uh just a
0:47:34.680,0:47:38.400
couple days later called in and killed
0:47:37.140,0:47:40.980
called in a pair
0:47:38.400,0:47:42.420
killed a female and went back and killed
0:47:40.980,0:47:44.940
that male the same
0:47:42.420,0:47:48.960
the afternoon of the same day
0:47:44.940,0:47:50.640
and when it's been in Reverse when it's
0:47:48.960,0:47:51.900
been the mail that we kill out of a pair
0:47:50.640,0:47:54.119
that comes in
0:47:51.900,0:47:57.660
it doesn't seem to work as good it
0:47:54.119,0:47:59.880
doesn't seem to uh that females I guess
0:47:57.660,0:48:02.579
they're meaner and smarter well I I've
0:47:59.880,0:48:04.440
seen it you know I've seen it a lot of
0:48:02.579,0:48:06.240
times in these more open stands you know
0:48:04.440,0:48:09.119
here in Kentucky in this Farm ground and
0:48:06.240,0:48:10.800
in Kansas and Wyoming you call in a pair
0:48:09.119,0:48:12.480
and you know you can pretty much tell
0:48:10.800,0:48:13.920
usually which one's the male and a
0:48:12.480,0:48:15.839
female and I've noticed if you do them
0:48:13.920,0:48:18.180
all uh you know if you if you knock the
0:48:15.839,0:48:19.680
female down first a lot of times it may
0:48:18.180,0:48:22.980
all run off but you can usually switch
0:48:19.680,0:48:24.599
to a pump distress fight or whatever and
0:48:22.980,0:48:26.339
those coyotes will either stop look
0:48:24.599,0:48:27.900
around so you can get a shot in on them
0:48:26.339,0:48:29.819
or they'll just turn around and burn
0:48:27.900,0:48:32.099
right back into the call you know come
0:48:29.819,0:48:34.859
to help or whatever but if you switch it
0:48:32.099,0:48:37.740
up and you shoot the male first
0:48:34.859,0:48:39.839
and a female takes off man they ain't
0:48:37.740,0:48:41.760
loyal like the male is you can switch
0:48:39.839,0:48:43.920
whatever you want they won't stop till
0:48:41.760,0:48:45.599
they hit Three Counties away he seems
0:48:43.920,0:48:47.520
like I mean they're gone
0:48:45.599,0:48:49.859
yeah
0:48:47.520,0:48:52.680
that relates to humans a lot too we kind
0:48:49.859,0:48:55.920
of get ignorant at times yeah when we're
0:48:52.680,0:48:58.460
tasting we get ignorant that's right get
0:48:55.920,0:48:58.460
you in trouble
0:48:58.500,0:49:02.960
oh man it's been some good stuff Tori
0:49:03.319,0:49:07.740
well what's what's uh kind of get where
0:49:06.180,0:49:09.720
we're wrapping this up
0:49:07.740,0:49:11.819
when I think we've already answered it
0:49:09.720,0:49:14.040
but I've got this down here when what
0:49:11.819,0:49:16.380
time of the year do you usually start
0:49:14.040,0:49:18.000
slacking off from your your breeding
0:49:16.380,0:49:20.460
sounds I know I guess the coyotes will
0:49:18.000,0:49:21.900
pretty much dictate that but what time
0:49:20.460,0:49:23.819
frame do you usually see that happen
0:49:21.900,0:49:26.099
when you stop seeing those coyotes
0:49:23.819,0:49:28.079
positively coming to your breeding type
0:49:26.099,0:49:30.960
sequences and sounds
0:49:28.079,0:49:33.359
probably that March time frame is you
0:49:30.960,0:49:35.640
know you start getting into the tail end
0:49:33.359,0:49:37.920
of March it's like that overlap we were
0:49:35.640,0:49:40.560
talking about before where they're still
0:49:37.920,0:49:43.500
they're still coming to it but I start
0:49:40.560,0:49:46.380
swapping more over towards my my denting
0:49:43.500,0:49:47.819
stuff you know that time of the year
0:49:46.380,0:49:50.700
because they're preparing the ends
0:49:47.819,0:49:53.579
getting ready for pups so I kind of just
0:49:50.700,0:49:55.680
knowing the stage of the couch I I'll go
0:49:53.579,0:49:57.839
ahead and start swapping over to those
0:49:55.680,0:49:59.940
uh you know I'll start throwing in a lot
0:49:57.839,0:50:01.859
of those pup sounds even though the pups
0:49:59.940,0:50:03.720
are not on the ground yet
0:50:01.859,0:50:08.099
paired up coyotes have it on their mind
0:50:03.720,0:50:10.560
she's pregnant and uh it's it seems to
0:50:08.099,0:50:12.240
start working pretty good so that's when
0:50:10.560,0:50:13.440
I transition over into more of the
0:50:12.240,0:50:16.859
spring summer
0:50:13.440,0:50:19.079
type stuff and I may still mix some of
0:50:16.859,0:50:20.180
those breeding sounds in especially if
0:50:19.079,0:50:23.700
I've had
0:50:20.180,0:50:25.380
usually what happens is I'll I'll be
0:50:23.700,0:50:26.940
running those breeding sequences and
0:50:25.380,0:50:28.560
I'll hit a gap to where it's getting
0:50:26.940,0:50:30.839
towards that tail end February end of
0:50:28.560,0:50:33.180
March and I may not hunt for a few days
0:50:30.839,0:50:34.560
and then when I go back out knowing that
0:50:33.180,0:50:36.420
time frame
0:50:34.560,0:50:38.460
if I don't call something up on that
0:50:36.420,0:50:40.740
breeding sequence pretty quick I'll swap
0:50:38.460,0:50:42.240
and start going to that Denon type I got
0:50:40.740,0:50:45.839
that yeah yeah
0:50:42.240,0:50:47.339
stuff not to say that you might not that
0:50:45.839,0:50:50.040
I couldn't stick with it and probably
0:50:47.339,0:50:51.960
call some codes but right I'll start
0:50:50.040,0:50:53.940
swapping just because I kind of know the
0:50:51.960,0:50:55.859
time frame of the coyotes and what has
0:50:53.940,0:50:57.260
worked for me in the past and I'll swap
0:50:55.859,0:51:01.140
up yeah yeah
0:50:57.260,0:51:04.079
all right now uh how about you when do
0:51:01.140,0:51:05.760
you swap March March I've usually
0:51:04.079,0:51:07.980
historically
0:51:05.760,0:51:10.079
struggled in March March has always been
0:51:07.980,0:51:12.599
like my least March and April's always
0:51:10.079,0:51:14.579
been like my least favorite time to to
0:51:12.599,0:51:16.319
Coyote huh and one of the reasons too
0:51:14.579,0:51:18.240
we're transitioning turkey hunting
0:51:16.319,0:51:20.520
ourselves I got hard gobbling long
0:51:18.240,0:51:22.500
beards on my mind but but March has
0:51:20.520,0:51:24.780
always been tough and for whatever
0:51:22.500,0:51:27.359
reason I did start running just like
0:51:24.780,0:51:29.460
just like you said like baby puppy type
0:51:27.359,0:51:31.440
stuff and started to notice I was having
0:51:29.460,0:51:33.420
more call-ins
0:51:31.440,0:51:34.980
um so yeah it's the same type stuff you
0:51:33.420,0:51:36.960
know I started to start to see that
0:51:34.980,0:51:39.180
happening so March is definitely
0:51:36.960,0:51:41.940
halfway through February I kind of slack
0:51:39.180,0:51:43.559
off of it and seems like it's a tail end
0:51:41.940,0:51:45.420
of February going into March I started
0:51:43.559,0:51:47.579
hitting more of that dinning season like
0:51:45.420,0:51:49.680
baby type coyote stuff
0:51:47.579,0:51:51.359
and I I know we're wrapping up that you
0:51:49.680,0:51:53.160
brought up a good point right there made
0:51:51.359,0:51:54.300
me think of it you talk about March
0:51:53.160,0:51:57.240
April being
0:51:54.300,0:51:58.920
tough time frame when them things quit
0:51:57.240,0:52:00.540
breeding and they get dented on their
0:51:58.920,0:52:03.540
mind they start cleaning out dens
0:52:00.540,0:52:05.400
digging dens then they those pups the
0:52:03.540,0:52:07.980
pups are in the hole the female is with
0:52:05.400,0:52:10.020
them until those pups get out of the
0:52:07.980,0:52:14.040
hole and that female gets out of the
0:52:10.020,0:52:16.079
hole so you're talking typically
0:52:14.040,0:52:18.599
you might as well say May
0:52:16.079,0:52:20.760
you know so that that March April time
0:52:18.599,0:52:23.579
frame while they are
0:52:20.760,0:52:25.680
digging dens and then staying in the
0:52:23.579,0:52:27.780
ends with the pups are tough because
0:52:25.680,0:52:30.140
those coyotes do not move from that area
0:52:27.780,0:52:33.059
they're right okay
0:52:30.140,0:52:34.980
so you know you can I get to watch them
0:52:33.059,0:52:36.480
you know they'll they'll be right there
0:52:34.980,0:52:39.480
real close to that
0:52:36.480,0:52:42.300
they're so tied to that Den
0:52:39.480,0:52:43.980
that they don't they don't range like
0:52:42.300,0:52:45.540
they normally of course then when the
0:52:43.980,0:52:47.880
Bucks get out
0:52:45.540,0:52:49.500
of but then then it opens when you know
0:52:47.880,0:52:52.440
things get wide open
0:52:49.500,0:52:54.359
uh I think another Point probably to to
0:52:52.440,0:52:56.880
touch on that a little bit just like
0:52:54.359,0:53:00.119
what Tori just said there those coyotes
0:52:56.880,0:53:02.460
are hugging closer to that DN DN area
0:53:00.119,0:53:05.040
another thing about March it makes it
0:53:02.460,0:53:06.240
tough for some people is especially if
0:53:05.040,0:53:08.160
you're somebody that doesn't have
0:53:06.240,0:53:10.079
endless ground to hunt you know not
0:53:08.160,0:53:11.400
everybody has endless ground you know a
0:53:10.079,0:53:13.140
lot of people don't have just a handful
0:53:11.400,0:53:15.540
of farms so you've got to rotate them in
0:53:13.140,0:53:18.059
and out one problem is when it comes to
0:53:15.540,0:53:20.760
March is there's been a lot of coyotes
0:53:18.059,0:53:23.220
killed they did and what coyotes ain't
0:53:20.760,0:53:24.839
kills being called to so March is just
0:53:23.220,0:53:26.579
tough and then you then you throw in
0:53:24.839,0:53:28.319
just like what what you're saying toy
0:53:26.579,0:53:30.000
you know them cleaning out those dens
0:53:28.319,0:53:31.500
and really getting into that mind frame
0:53:30.000,0:53:33.000
it can be tough on people but I know
0:53:31.500,0:53:36.180
some people says March is like their
0:53:33.000,0:53:39.180
favorite time period well I know I know
0:53:36.180,0:53:41.400
for for my area
0:53:39.180,0:53:44.280
if you can or and I would assume
0:53:41.400,0:53:47.099
probably about anywhere that time frame
0:53:44.280,0:53:48.900
can be really good if you know it if you
0:53:47.099,0:53:51.660
know pretty close proximity to where the
0:53:48.900,0:53:54.240
coats are at and you get close to them
0:53:51.660,0:53:55.680
really because if you can trigger them
0:53:54.240,0:53:57.960
the colony is usually pretty good
0:53:55.680,0:53:59.819
because they're really aggressive again
0:53:57.960,0:54:01.740
related to The Den stuff they're really
0:53:59.819,0:54:03.420
aggressive but a lot of times if you're
0:54:01.740,0:54:05.640
just going out blind calling and you
0:54:03.420,0:54:07.740
don't know where those denting areas are
0:54:05.640,0:54:10.500
or you may not know where a pair is at
0:54:07.740,0:54:12.480
that's dinning and you're setting you
0:54:10.500,0:54:13.500
know three 400 yards from them or
0:54:12.480,0:54:15.720
farther
0:54:13.500,0:54:18.240
a lot of times you can't call those cows
0:54:15.720,0:54:20.099
up even though they're sitting there
0:54:18.240,0:54:21.599
listening to you right where if you were
0:54:20.099,0:54:23.700
maybe
0:54:21.599,0:54:25.680
depending on the terrain type of course
0:54:23.700,0:54:28.079
but if you were a little closer to them
0:54:25.680,0:54:30.619
and it's too close for comfort you know
0:54:28.079,0:54:33.059
you can get the you can have some really
0:54:30.619,0:54:35.460
Dynamic call-ins that time of the year
0:54:33.059,0:54:37.380
with aggressive coats if you're close
0:54:35.460,0:54:39.780
enough to them and have some really slow
0:54:37.380,0:54:43.440
calling and a lot of blank stands right
0:54:39.780,0:54:45.960
if uh if you're not close to those coats
0:54:43.440,0:54:48.780
so it can be tough It's just bottom line
0:54:45.960,0:54:50.640
it can be tough and it can be like just
0:54:48.780,0:54:52.859
Tori said it can be pretty Dynamite at
0:54:50.640,0:54:54.780
the same time so just gotta I think it's
0:54:52.859,0:54:55.880
more tough than usual unless you know
0:54:54.780,0:54:58.200
where
0:54:55.880,0:54:59.579
especially consistently because you
0:54:58.200,0:55:03.720
probably don't know where that many
0:54:59.579,0:55:06.720
coats are at to get through right
0:55:03.720,0:55:09.119
let me ask you this here's a I got a
0:55:06.720,0:55:11.339
couple questions for you to wrap up how
0:55:09.119,0:55:14.280
about is there any kind of good breeding
0:55:11.339,0:55:16.020
season calling tip you could give us
0:55:14.280,0:55:18.480
maybe something that you don't hear Too
0:55:16.020,0:55:20.640
Many people sharing you know one of
0:55:18.480,0:55:21.540
those Secrets everyone whispers about or
0:55:20.640,0:55:24.540
whatever
0:55:21.540,0:55:24.540
laughs
0:55:25.099,0:55:30.119
a secret yeah we're gonna share secrets
0:55:28.559,0:55:33.180
on here
0:55:30.119,0:55:35.280
yeah or we are all right but we already
0:55:33.180,0:55:37.079
told all the secrets
0:55:35.280,0:55:40.020
I mean probably
0:55:37.079,0:55:42.180
we did tell what I would consider one of
0:55:40.020,0:55:44.280
the top secrets earlier on talking about
0:55:42.180,0:55:47.099
those female invitation house and how to
0:55:44.280,0:55:49.319
truly do a female invitation Hal and
0:55:47.099,0:55:52.559
there I told the one story about that
0:55:49.319,0:55:55.319
working well but I've had you know more
0:55:52.559,0:55:57.300
examples of running those howls back to
0:55:55.319,0:55:59.460
back to back and that killing coyotes
0:55:57.300,0:56:01.380
that time of the year just on those
0:55:59.460,0:56:03.540
repetitive aisles right matter of fact
0:56:01.380,0:56:04.380
the first coat that I ever this was an
0:56:03.540,0:56:07.500
accident
0:56:04.380,0:56:10.380
but it relates to what I've learned now
0:56:07.500,0:56:12.599
this was the first code that I ever
0:56:10.380,0:56:15.720
called in that I can remember running
0:56:12.599,0:56:17.940
house and I didn't have a clue what I
0:56:15.720,0:56:22.619
was doing I don't even remember what the
0:56:17.940,0:56:24.240
sound was uh what how it was and I'm not
0:56:22.619,0:56:27.300
I can't remember
0:56:24.240,0:56:29.040
if I had a Foxpro fx3
0:56:27.300,0:56:31.800
which that was the first Fox Pro ever
0:56:29.040,0:56:34.619
had or if it was the old
0:56:31.800,0:56:38.339
Johnny Stewart with the long cord on it
0:56:34.619,0:56:40.500
right right tape I think it was a tape
0:56:38.339,0:56:43.380
and I think it's the only coat that ever
0:56:40.500,0:56:45.359
called up with that call if I remember
0:56:43.380,0:56:47.760
right well it had to be that it had to
0:56:45.359,0:56:50.400
be that JS because you killed all kinds
0:56:47.760,0:56:52.800
of coyotes with that fx3 that's right
0:56:50.400,0:56:55.140
that's right but and I'm pretty sure it
0:56:52.800,0:56:56.940
was because I remember I had a tape and
0:56:55.140,0:56:59.700
it was a it was a house so I know that
0:56:56.940,0:57:03.000
fx3 wasn't take place
0:56:59.700,0:57:06.000
but anyway I had sat down I'm pretty
0:57:03.000,0:57:08.460
sure daddy was with me we'd sat down and
0:57:06.000,0:57:10.020
I didn't have a clue about howling and
0:57:08.460,0:57:12.540
I'd been sitting there just letting this
0:57:10.020,0:57:14.339
thing howl and it had gaps in it so it
0:57:12.540,0:57:16.500
would howl four or five times and then
0:57:14.339,0:57:19.380
there'd be a gap then it'd basically do
0:57:16.500,0:57:22.200
those same house again and uh I sat
0:57:19.380,0:57:24.000
there and done that over and over and
0:57:22.200,0:57:26.280
over again I was probably somewhere in
0:57:24.000,0:57:28.680
that you know 10 minute Mark it'd been a
0:57:26.280,0:57:31.500
while and this cow comes running in
0:57:28.680,0:57:33.240
behind us and I heard him and spun
0:57:31.500,0:57:36.359
around and he'd run right in there to us
0:57:33.240,0:57:38.520
I say he whatever it was okay but run
0:57:36.359,0:57:41.339
right in on top of us turned around and
0:57:38.520,0:57:44.099
wheeled and run off and then uh
0:57:41.339,0:57:46.380
that was basically due and kind of
0:57:44.099,0:57:48.599
mimicking what a female invitation would
0:57:46.380,0:57:50.280
be with those repetitive house and then
0:57:48.599,0:57:52.140
another one that I just thought of this
0:57:50.280,0:57:54.960
was a neat hunt I wish I hadn't had
0:57:52.140,0:57:56.400
video of it it's what I was doing all
0:57:54.960,0:57:58.859
the diaphragm stuff I was actually
0:57:56.400,0:58:01.559
getting ready for a competition I went
0:57:58.859,0:58:03.480
on a hunt that morning the whole hunt
0:58:01.559,0:58:05.940
was rare because we had snow on the
0:58:03.480,0:58:08.640
ground I'd sat down between two ridges
0:58:05.940,0:58:10.680
and had already called I'd done you know
0:58:08.640,0:58:11.819
my typical sequence I'd hired I'd done
0:58:10.680,0:58:13.859
rabbit I'd done a little bit of
0:58:11.819,0:58:15.839
everything hadn't called anything up
0:58:13.859,0:58:17.940
well that was The Last Stand I was gonna
0:58:15.839,0:58:20.640
make so I started I like to listen to
0:58:17.940,0:58:23.220
those howls you know right outside
0:58:20.640,0:58:25.079
so I was just sitting there howling I
0:58:23.220,0:58:27.660
was basically practicing more and less
0:58:25.079,0:58:29.460
practice yeah yeah that's exactly what I
0:58:27.660,0:58:30.960
was doing I was practicing my diaphragm
0:58:29.460,0:58:32.819
Island and I had been sitting there for
0:58:30.960,0:58:34.800
several minutes howling over and over
0:58:32.819,0:58:37.020
again and doing these little change-ups
0:58:34.800,0:58:40.020
and stuff getting ready for a stage
0:58:37.020,0:58:43.380
competition practicing that stuff and I
0:58:40.020,0:58:45.780
hear a noise coming from the opposite
0:58:43.380,0:58:47.520
reach and this coyote is tearing down
0:58:45.780,0:58:50.819
the hill coming in there to those it was
0:58:47.520,0:58:53.520
a male coat I killed him but I shot him
0:58:50.819,0:58:55.559
with a shotgun just right there the
0:58:53.520,0:58:58.380
steel running full blast right at me
0:58:55.559,0:59:00.299
awesome and uh the other odd thing about
0:58:58.380,0:59:01.740
that couch when I got him killed I
0:59:00.299,0:59:04.319
actually posted a picture of this guy
0:59:01.740,0:59:06.780
just to show you how long ago it was on
0:59:04.319,0:59:09.240
Predator Masters back in the day oh man
0:59:06.780,0:59:12.599
yeah it was long yeah yeah back in the
0:59:09.240,0:59:14.640
day but uh it was glass side the coyote
0:59:12.599,0:59:16.440
had blue eye glass eye like Catahoula
0:59:14.640,0:59:18.299
dog for real I've seen one other picture
0:59:16.440,0:59:19.980
of one like that somebody killed but
0:59:18.299,0:59:22.200
yeah he was glass-eyed and looked like a
0:59:19.980,0:59:24.240
normal coyote otherwise yeah just
0:59:22.200,0:59:28.280
regular old brown coat but he had double
0:59:24.240,0:59:31.140
glass eyes and he come in to repetitive
0:59:28.280,0:59:34.680
howling you know so that's that's
0:59:31.140,0:59:37.140
probably what uh that and if you want to
0:59:34.680,0:59:38.579
go out early in the morning this works
0:59:37.140,0:59:41.280
really well this would be another
0:59:38.579,0:59:42.660
everybody knows I like to locate cows
0:59:41.280,0:59:45.359
but
0:59:42.660,0:59:48.720
another one would be it works really
0:59:45.359,0:59:50.819
well if you will if your daytime hunting
0:59:48.720,0:59:52.440
if you'll go out just a couple hours
0:59:50.819,0:59:55.559
before daylight
0:59:52.440,0:59:57.480
and find you a pair account and you know
0:59:55.559,0:59:59.819
just get a pair of couch to answer or
0:59:57.480,1:00:01.500
even a singer yep but find those cows
0:59:59.819,1:00:02.819
just before daylight that's typically
1:00:01.500,1:00:04.079
pretty close to where they're going to
1:00:02.819,1:00:06.780
bed up for the day or where they're
1:00:04.079,1:00:08.460
going to fool around and so you can ride
1:00:06.780,1:00:10.980
around a couple hours before daylight
1:00:08.460,1:00:13.020
finds you a handful of of pears or
1:00:10.980,1:00:14.460
single coats whatever you hear
1:00:13.020,1:00:16.440
and you need to do it right before
1:00:14.460,1:00:18.540
daylight because cows move a lot this
1:00:16.440,1:00:20.760
time of year right but you could you can
1:00:18.540,1:00:22.500
locate you some coyotes then come back
1:00:20.760,1:00:24.660
as soon as it gets daylight moving
1:00:22.500,1:00:26.579
pretty close I try to I try to go right
1:00:24.660,1:00:28.260
where I thought they were howling at if
1:00:26.579,1:00:29.819
I can stand in the tracks that they were
1:00:28.260,1:00:32.160
howling at that's where I want to be
1:00:29.819,1:00:33.960
because they by the time you get there
1:00:32.160,1:00:36.599
they will probably have moved a little
1:00:33.960,1:00:38.160
bit right and so I try to get right in
1:00:36.599,1:00:40.380
there real tight to where I think they
1:00:38.160,1:00:43.440
were and uh I'll go right into those
1:00:40.380,1:00:45.359
breeding sounds and most of the time for
1:00:43.440,1:00:48.359
one they're you know you get in there
1:00:45.359,1:00:50.160
tight on them pairs most of the time you
1:00:48.359,1:00:52.619
can call them up so that would be
1:00:50.160,1:00:55.140
another you know breeding season tip is
1:00:52.619,1:00:57.299
you know if you can find those those
1:00:55.140,1:00:59.579
cows especially if you got sporadic cow
1:00:57.299,1:01:01.680
population like I do being able to
1:00:59.579,1:01:03.900
Target right where they're at you can up
1:01:01.680,1:01:06.480
the odds on calling them up by slipping
1:01:03.900,1:01:09.780
back in there and getting tight to them
1:01:06.480,1:01:11.520
and then running your sequence that'll
1:01:09.780,1:01:13.380
clean up some dry stands too because you
1:01:11.520,1:01:15.240
know you're actually calling two coyotes
1:01:13.380,1:01:16.740
you do that as well so that's good stuff
1:01:15.240,1:01:18.380
toy appreciate you sharing that type
1:01:16.740,1:01:20.940
stuff
1:01:18.380,1:01:22.500
what's the John Collins statement I'm
1:01:20.940,1:01:24.420
gonna let you just put this on me I'm
1:01:22.500,1:01:26.220
gonna make you answer too man I ain't
1:01:24.420,1:01:28.260
got no I got all I I don't have
1:01:26.220,1:01:32.160
cigarettes I got bad habits that's what
1:01:28.260,1:01:33.839
I got bad habits I ain't got I ain't got
1:01:32.160,1:01:36.720
no I ain't got nothing to top that
1:01:33.839,1:01:38.520
that's for sure only only thing I would
1:01:36.720,1:01:40.260
say is you know I don't really have any
1:01:38.520,1:01:44.520
kind of Secrets I kind of laid it on all
1:01:40.260,1:01:45.780
out there uh is you know these you know
1:01:44.520,1:01:47.460
I know a lot of guys that don't never
1:01:45.780,1:01:50.099
try any kind of breeding type stuff they
1:01:47.460,1:01:52.020
just run that same Hal and rabbit and
1:01:50.099,1:01:55.440
put up the stress at the end all the way
1:01:52.020,1:01:58.319
from from October through February
1:01:55.440,1:02:00.660
marched whatever they quit calling
1:01:58.319,1:02:02.220
I would just say for you guys listening
1:02:00.660,1:02:04.799
try some of these breeding type
1:02:02.220,1:02:07.200
sequences try these breeding sounds you
1:02:04.799,1:02:09.599
know there's some on Fox Pro's Library
1:02:07.200,1:02:11.640
there's a ton on the mfk library these
1:02:09.599,1:02:13.020
are great sounds they've recorded for a
1:02:11.640,1:02:14.940
reason they were recorded because they
1:02:13.020,1:02:16.619
work get out there and try them all
1:02:14.940,1:02:18.900
these breeding fights these whimpers
1:02:16.619,1:02:21.359
these these breeding wines all that type
1:02:18.900,1:02:24.480
of stuff put them in a play this late
1:02:21.359,1:02:26.579
December January February that's pretty
1:02:24.480,1:02:28.500
good call in so so put them to work for
1:02:26.579,1:02:31.200
sure that's what I'd say it's not really
1:02:28.500,1:02:33.359
a secret just urge guys to to try these
1:02:31.200,1:02:35.220
breeding type sounds through the
1:02:33.359,1:02:38.099
breeding season for coyotes
1:02:35.220,1:02:40.920
yeah that's yeah definitely don't be
1:02:38.099,1:02:44.339
scared to use them poor the house
1:02:40.920,1:02:46.859
oh yeah thank you dynamic dynamic
1:02:44.339,1:02:49.020
through I would say mid-December
1:02:46.859,1:02:50.640
especially for me it's just like I said
1:02:49.020,1:02:52.619
earlier historically Christmas week
1:02:50.640,1:02:53.940
through February
1:02:52.619,1:02:56.099
yeah
1:02:53.940,1:02:57.599
yeah and even if they're successful
1:02:56.099,1:02:59.099
using whatever they're using they're
1:02:57.599,1:03:00.780
definitely leaving some Coyotes out
1:02:59.099,1:03:02.760
there if they're not adding something
1:03:00.780,1:03:06.059
exactly
1:03:02.760,1:03:07.640
what's uh what's your top three say what
1:03:06.059,1:03:10.500
what three
1:03:07.640,1:03:12.299
breeding season sounds that you that are
1:03:10.500,1:03:14.640
always part of your sequence say like
1:03:12.299,1:03:17.640
you know you there's three specific
1:03:14.640,1:03:19.260
sounds that you'll almost always play in
1:03:17.640,1:03:21.680
a breeding sequence through the breeding
1:03:19.260,1:03:24.299
season for coyotes
1:03:21.680,1:03:26.700
specifically for breeding from what's
1:03:24.299,1:03:29.160
available right now I got a couple of
1:03:26.700,1:03:31.260
good ones that I want to mention but uh
1:03:29.160,1:03:32.640
I'll stick with what's available and
1:03:31.260,1:03:35.400
what I've been running the last couple
1:03:32.640,1:03:36.059
years and will continue to run
1:03:35.400,1:03:39.420
um
1:03:36.059,1:03:43.799
I really like that uh that buru Pearl
1:03:39.420,1:03:45.839
for a howl I like that female breeding
1:03:43.799,1:03:48.119
growl wines it's more of a subtle it's
1:03:45.839,1:03:51.720
almost a social interaction but it is a
1:03:48.119,1:03:55.079
breeding sound and then I like uh I like
1:03:51.720,1:03:57.480
girl fight and that's the pair of
1:03:55.079,1:04:02.040
that is a pair of those mean females
1:03:57.480,1:04:03.780
both in Heat going at it and uh and if
1:04:02.040,1:04:05.940
you're gonna throw a couple more in
1:04:03.780,1:04:10.319
there those would be three really good
1:04:05.940,1:04:13.140
ones uh I would also have to uh that
1:04:10.319,1:04:15.480
female whimpers from uh from Foxpro is
1:04:13.140,1:04:19.140
really good and I can't believe I forgot
1:04:15.480,1:04:20.819
this one until just now uh and I guess
1:04:19.140,1:04:23.880
it's because I've run so much
1:04:20.819,1:04:26.819
you know new stuff bump and grind yeah
1:04:23.880,1:04:28.559
if you ain't playing bump and grind any
1:04:26.819,1:04:30.660
time of the year but especially this
1:04:28.559,1:04:32.460
time of the year you're missing out I
1:04:30.660,1:04:33.960
would probably have to throw bump and
1:04:32.460,1:04:36.119
grind right in that that would be a
1:04:33.960,1:04:38.040
toss-up you got to give me four sounds
1:04:36.119,1:04:40.920
cause I'm gonna buy the store I'm depend
1:04:38.040,1:04:42.839
girl fight take as many now let me ask
1:04:40.920,1:04:45.900
you this are you would you still mix
1:04:42.839,1:04:48.119
ends for breeding uh breeding sequences
1:04:45.900,1:04:49.980
well you still like finished stands with
1:04:48.119,1:04:51.900
stuff like table scraps or pound town or
1:04:49.980,1:04:53.640
you just kind of throw them out yeah
1:04:51.900,1:04:56.460
absolutely
1:04:53.640,1:04:58.980
um one Eastern was one was one mainly
1:04:56.460,1:05:00.720
running uh I told you this before they
1:04:58.980,1:05:02.940
were just kind of focusing on the fight
1:05:00.720,1:05:05.220
side of it one almost girl fighting one
1:05:02.940,1:05:07.079
almost Pound Town same time frame of the
1:05:05.220,1:05:08.220
year but they were favoring one over the
1:05:07.079,1:05:11.400
other
1:05:08.220,1:05:13.680
one uh one year versus the other but
1:05:11.400,1:05:16.200
since you said I could have as many and
1:05:13.680,1:05:17.819
usually usually I don't get this
1:05:16.200,1:05:19.319
specific when we've talked before I
1:05:17.819,1:05:21.780
don't get this specific but if I was
1:05:19.319,1:05:24.720
going to do a specific breeding sequence
1:05:21.780,1:05:28.920
right now I would probably do Boone long
1:05:24.720,1:05:31.020
wine house uh Little B ready house
1:05:28.920,1:05:34.020
buru pair
1:05:31.020,1:05:37.500
and then go right to that female breed
1:05:34.020,1:05:38.940
and growl wines uh female whimpers from
1:05:37.500,1:05:42.059
Foxpro
1:05:38.940,1:05:45.720
bump and grind girl fight
1:05:42.059,1:05:47.579
for specific breeding sounds and then I
1:05:45.720,1:05:49.200
would if I was gonna if I hadn't called
1:05:47.579,1:05:50.520
anything up I was getting ready to leave
1:05:49.200,1:05:53.160
I'm probably going to play them a couple
1:05:50.520,1:05:55.319
minutes of table scraps Pound Town nice
1:05:53.160,1:05:57.240
perfect I was actually going to ask you
1:05:55.319,1:06:00.599
that if you would finish this off with a
1:05:57.240,1:06:03.599
with a sequence yeah
1:06:00.599,1:06:05.520
that is I got I got one you was talking
1:06:03.599,1:06:07.559
about Secrets earlier I'm gonna tell I
1:06:05.520,1:06:11.520
got one secret and this is simple it's
1:06:07.559,1:06:13.500
as simple as it gets uh I have not
1:06:11.520,1:06:16.020
played all year
1:06:13.500,1:06:17.819
one of fox Pro's most famous pup
1:06:16.020,1:06:20.280
distresses uh
1:06:17.819,1:06:23.040
I always save it for breeding season or
1:06:20.280,1:06:25.200
I have over the last few years is coyote
1:06:23.040,1:06:27.599
pup screens I don't know how many
1:06:25.200,1:06:29.579
coyotes coyote pup screams from Foxpro
1:06:27.599,1:06:32.460
is killed over the years it's a sample
1:06:29.579,1:06:35.579
pup distress everybody knows it but I
1:06:32.460,1:06:36.720
have not played it since last March in
1:06:35.579,1:06:40.260
my areas
1:06:36.720,1:06:41.760
I start playing I save it I've learned I
1:06:40.260,1:06:42.660
don't know what happened why I started
1:06:41.760,1:06:45.359
doing it
1:06:42.660,1:06:47.819
but I started saving coyote pup screams
1:06:45.359,1:06:50.160
for January that's when I'll start
1:06:47.819,1:06:52.319
running it and I mix it in like you were
1:06:50.160,1:06:53.760
talking about the female whimpers I'll
1:06:52.319,1:06:55.980
hit those whimper for a few seconds
1:06:53.760,1:06:57.780
where it goes to his chirps and then
1:06:55.980,1:06:59.579
I'll just Hammer right into that pup
1:06:57.780,1:07:01.559
screens and what I'm doing I'm not just
1:06:59.579,1:07:03.720
letting it run forever I let it pup
1:07:01.559,1:07:05.579
screams play for a few seconds where it
1:07:03.720,1:07:07.200
kind of goes into that little bit of a
1:07:05.579,1:07:09.780
growl then it goes right back into the
1:07:07.200,1:07:11.400
screams I paused it at that growl or hit
1:07:09.780,1:07:13.380
the recall button to go right back to
1:07:11.400,1:07:15.660
wampers and I just keep bouncing back
1:07:13.380,1:07:17.640
between whimpers and pup screens and
1:07:15.660,1:07:19.680
I've had some crazy call-ins doing that
1:07:17.640,1:07:22.079
right there so I would say that's my
1:07:19.680,1:07:24.059
secret if you can control yourself not
1:07:22.079,1:07:25.319
to run coyote pup screens from Foxpro
1:07:24.059,1:07:26.760
throughout the year and save it for a
1:07:25.319,1:07:28.440
breeding season time
1:07:26.760,1:07:30.660
you'll you'll see what I'm talking about
1:07:28.440,1:07:32.400
it's pretty crazy and and the reason I
1:07:30.660,1:07:35.700
reason I save it because I don't want my
1:07:32.400,1:07:37.680
coyotes to hear it until then yeah yeah
1:07:35.700,1:07:39.900
that's that's good stuff I'll have to
1:07:37.680,1:07:42.359
try that I have not mixed those two
1:07:39.900,1:07:44.640
sounds so that's uh
1:07:42.359,1:07:46.380
that'll be a good one to try and hey
1:07:44.640,1:07:48.059
well you've got we've got plenty of
1:07:46.380,1:07:49.920
public distress sales now so you can
1:07:48.059,1:07:51.960
save some of these sounds you know all
1:07:49.920,1:07:54.480
all these sounds you've recorded from
1:07:51.960,1:07:56.339
from babies three weeks four weeks five
1:07:54.480,1:07:58.079
weeks all the way up to 16 week pup
1:07:56.339,1:08:00.000
distress sounds and all the pup distress
1:07:58.079,1:08:02.000
sounds from Fox Pro we've got sounds we
1:08:00.000,1:08:05.220
can save for certain times a year
1:08:02.000,1:08:06.900
yeah that's that's a great thing I mean
1:08:05.220,1:08:07.980
it's a great problem to have and I'm
1:08:06.900,1:08:10.079
sure
1:08:07.980,1:08:12.720
I'm sure you do some of this too there's
1:08:10.079,1:08:16.080
enough people using and I always try to
1:08:12.720,1:08:17.759
thank everybody uh for the feedback but
1:08:16.080,1:08:20.400
I get a lot of feedback I know you do
1:08:17.759,1:08:21.779
too about some of these sounds that that
1:08:20.400,1:08:24.480
some of the people out there listening
1:08:21.779,1:08:26.940
to this podcast are using on hunts and
1:08:24.480,1:08:28.920
they kind of tip us off to hey this
1:08:26.940,1:08:31.679
sound there's so many of them to try and
1:08:28.920,1:08:34.020
test out and run for you know multiple
1:08:31.679,1:08:36.060
stands we get some feedback from some of
1:08:34.020,1:08:38.699
y'all that is that's really good where
1:08:36.060,1:08:42.299
you say hey this particular sound has
1:08:38.699,1:08:44.219
been killer for me and uh you know I
1:08:42.299,1:08:46.799
take that I listen to that it helps me
1:08:44.219,1:08:49.259
record sounds and I'll I'll try it on
1:08:46.799,1:08:52.679
stand myself and it kind of tips me off
1:08:49.259,1:08:55.020
to some sounds that I recorded that I
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may not have had a chance to run a whole
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lot and uh so that's that's good stuff
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awesome I appreciate you being on her
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tour you got anything you want to want
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to leave these guys with
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just the usual appreciate everybody
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running the Foxpro and mfk sounds
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appreciate you listening to us and uh
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hope y'all kill a pile yes sir and guys
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if if some of these sounds that we've
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been discussing you might not have
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you know head over to the mfk game calls
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uh you know website gofoxpro.com
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mfkgamecalls.com you know we've got
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we've got T sounds on there so if you
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need them go over and find them get on
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your calls and get out there and get to
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using them and you know we hope you guys
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enjoyed this this episode there's a lot
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of good stuff here I've learned off this
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episode you guys go out there and put it
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in the field hopefully you all find
1:09:40.020,1:09:44.839
success please join us again right here
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on the Foxpro podcast