Jon Collins and Predator Xtreme writer Andrew Lewand discuss different strategies for calling red fox.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast we've
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got a great episode for you guys we have
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got Andrew Lawan on the podcast Andrew
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what you been up to man
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while we're sick in our early season
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coyote hunting and it's been awesome
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because the weather's cooperating a lot
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of guys are getting a lot of coyotes up
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here in New York but right around the
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corner is Fox season and that's one of
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my favorites so very excited for that
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yes sir and I I've seen you've really
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been pouring it to the coyote since New
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York season has opened up and uh and and
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what what is New York season you know I
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most places I hunt coyotes are open 365
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days a year so this season stuff's a
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little I don't know about that yeah well
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um it's so it could be a blessing for us
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because otherwise I'd be out there at
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365 and that's tough on some family
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situations but our Seasons yeah our
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season runs October 1st through like
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October 27th it's the last Sunday of the
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month or something crazy that's for
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coyotes now the fox season is October
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25th okay through February 15th so
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that's a little shorter yeah yeah do you
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all have a cat season
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Bobcats well actually we do now that
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this is gets more complicated
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only in certain areas of the state other
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huntable populations
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yeah so that but that runs with the fox
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season also okay yeah do you have them
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in your area Bobcats no no sadly I would
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have to travel hours to be in that area
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sounds like you need to get to traveling
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you know what I'm not against it
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well I know you've had a lot of luck
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here lately coyote aren't you been
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trying out a new uh mfk sounds
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yeah it's really been exciting this year
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uh myself and other guys are getting
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just record numbers coyotes maybe the
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population is up
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um the big craze across the board is pop
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vocalizations yep so people are saying
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as we know people are staying away from
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distress although I've got a few sounds
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that they're coming in on that right but
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it's just an exciting you know sequence
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a new sounds with the mfk library in
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there mixed in with our Fox Pro stuff
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and it's just been awesome
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money right now for sure couch or
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dropping left and right that's for sure
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and you guys listen you probably I don't
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know we've got two totally different
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accents going on you got a country boy
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from Kentucky here with his Twang and we
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got we got Andrew from New York I I can
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already tell it and I'm sitting here I'm
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sure you guys like what in the world are
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we listening to
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well the maybe the best of both I don't
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know how to categorize that but that's I
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think I have a Rochester accent that's
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what we've been told here oh yeah
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Western New York so yeah at the New
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York's New York to me so as long as you
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don't need an interpreter to understand
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me we'll be all right I'm good at that
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we're gonna listen we're gonna get you
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up here too you'll experience oh I'd
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love so I'd love to well Andrew you know
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most of our listeners probably know you
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from Predator extreme magazine and and
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know you from being on the fox Provo
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field staff but uh why don't you tell us
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a bit more about yourself so listeners
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know you know know more about you yeah
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sure thing well I was born and raised
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again in Rochester New York which is
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right by Lake Ontario nowhere near the
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city it's about we're about seven eight
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hours away uh married with two kids
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they're getting a little older now 20
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and 23. I was a retired phys ed teacher
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for 30 years and coach and I loved it I
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loved every day about it but decide to
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retire so now I'm just concentrated on
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my outdoor writing and hunting these
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predators
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awesome I love it I love it we're
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excited to have you on Andrew and you
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know let's get right to it on this
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episode we're going to be talking about
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Fox vocals kind of a different topic but
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a really cool one I'm really interested
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in it you know I have next to zero
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experience with this we have a few Fox
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around and some places I've hunt and
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I've you know I've caught in some foxes
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but definitely you know limited
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experience but but Andrew here is an
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expert on a topic Andrew why do fox
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collars need to be running Fox vocals
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well it's an exciting way to call in Fox
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I mean we've got some other sequences
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that are Dynamite we can talk about
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those later but if anybody's looking for
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a new challenge something different and
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exciting maybe their prey distress
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sounds are backing off here after a
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couple weeks and that's going to
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actually be the perfect time to employ
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these Fox vocalizations it's almost like
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talking to a Time turkey and we'll talk
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about that when we get our you know the
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actual specifics down anytime you're
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talking back and forth with an animal
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that's an exciting hunt and that's what
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the essence of fox vocalizations okay so
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uh what what time of year are the folks
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vote Fox vocals most effective like when
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will you start running your Fox vocals
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Andrew
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I notice now okay for example we've been
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having coyote season here for two weeks
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I haven't heard of fox park yet they
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turn on the vocals
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November through December with their
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depends where you are of course but
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their mating season is just slightly
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before coyotes so January would be a
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mating season for our Fox up here in the
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Northeast and so I would say December
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January they're vocal at night and it's
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just wonderful to hear them and I'll
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explain some of the noises because a lot
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of people don't know what they're
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hearing right when you hear the sound
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well yeah we'll tell well tell us about
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those sounds you know what sounds
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they're making and uh what type of fox
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vocals are you running in in return
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okay well a red fox we're talking about
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red fox here gray fox is a different
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situation and that's great too we can
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mention at the end but for red fox they
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actually have 28 sounds in their
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vocabulary that's true yeah yes don't
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despair we as Hunters only need to know
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and be familiar with four sounds okay so
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yeah I did not see I didn't know that I
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mean how made you say 28 28 28 sounds I
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don't even hardly say 28 words to my
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wife so I can't even imagine this that's
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crazy I did not know that it's cool yeah
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well yeah it's just a neat little tidbit
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and that what's me that helps make this
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so great so let me just tell you what
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they are uh there's four of them in the
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first one would be a fox howl or
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sometimes called a whale now that's a
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long drawn out song it's they both do it
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but females do it more more frequently
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okay okay that's one the next is mating
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barks now this is a three-syllable bark
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that fox used to communicate and find
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each other
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that that's a wonderful sound the next
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would be a territorial bark and that is
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almost like a Squall sound and I can
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tell you the truth if folks have the
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they can go online to that Foxpro site
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it's number sound number 59 it's the mm
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red fox barks okay that simulates that
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sound pretty good so if somebody wants
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to reference after listening that's they
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can go to the site and find that and the
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other is a warning bark and a warning
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bark is almost like a challenge bark for
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a coyote warning barks tells us the fox
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is on to you right and it's going to be
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harder to call them in and again if
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people want to cross-reference I want to
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say that that's it's called the mm
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redfax Squall in that in that library
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from Foxpro but the good news is it's
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not as
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desperate a situation if you hear
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warning barks they'll still come to you
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okay yeah it's yeah it's not meaning
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yeah who gets the booger barking at you
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you might as well pack up and leave so
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right so it's not not the case with Fox
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then red fox not not as dramatic not as
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drastic shall we say and we'll talk
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about held up fox in a little bit but
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those are the four sounds now I'm going
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to tell you right now
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um
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and we'll talk about some sounds where
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they can get away but the fox howls and
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the mating barks I found with a generic
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Google search
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and they're not high quality sounds but
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anybody can find them they're labeled as
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such mating Barks in in the fox howl so
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with a little bit of searching they'll
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find them they work they don't sound
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good to our ears but the five but the
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facts still respond and um
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you know and we'll tell you how to use
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those here in a little bit okay well
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let's talk about uh let's talk about the
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sequences what what does a typical
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um sequence what is a typical sequence
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with these Fox vocalizations when you're
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going out there to make a stand oh well
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perfect there's two ways to do it when
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you get out of your car now generally we
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hunt dusk to Dawn and everything in
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between okay so but in these facts are
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barking at night so if you have a nice
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crisp cool night you get out of your car
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if you're lucky you will hear them
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vocalizing in the distance okay it could
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be it could be in the field right close
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to you or it could be you know a waste
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Foster heard these from a mile away now
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Fox Hollow they'll respond from a mile
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but hopefully they're closer yeah
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hopefully you're closer so you'll hear
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them it'd be the same thing if you got
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out of your car in the morning and heard
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a turkey on the roost okay same thing
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yeah then you want to go set up on them
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so now you want to go set up on this fox
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hearing and it's generally The Mating
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box is what you're hearing it's that
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three syllable
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sound okay so so these Fox when they're
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when they're doing this they're they're
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doing it pretty I mean you hear it a lot
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oh big time once you catch on if you
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have any flocks in your area and you're
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out there in the early winter stages no
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almost November through January here
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you'll hear it okay because you know I'm
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I'm your start you're kind of comparing
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it with turkey stuff you know and I'm
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thinking like when you go out early
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morning turkey hunting you you know you
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can sit there and listen you're going to
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hear turkeys gobbling because they're
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pretty pretty active first thing in the
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morning oh all that stuff so so you can
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get out and listen and actually locate
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these red fox and know exactly where to
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go to you know get your win right with
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all that stuff and move in right there's
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no doubt that's that's what I mean it's
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action as soon as you get out of your
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car so this is all new stuff to me yeah
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you know I I have actually heard of red
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fox Mark before and vocalized but you
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know I actually never didn't know what
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it was
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um until like days later I remember
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saying something to my dad and he's like
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where was he at I was like this they
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said oh that's a fox bark and that's
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what you hear and I was like and of
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course in that area I start seeing Fox
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so he was exactly right so I have heard
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it but I have you know like if this is
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really new to me so it's pretty
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interesting stuff oh yeah well next time
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you hear it you know if they're in
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season what not and you're not targeting
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coyotes try this tactic and it'll work
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for you I guarantee it yeah
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so that's if you hear them that's when
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you get out in your instant action you
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go and play them let's pretend you get
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out to your spot and you don't hear
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anything in the distance okay you walk
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out to your
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your setup location you know using all
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your stealth tactics that you would
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always do and it's a quiet night
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and you say to yourself okay I'm going
0:11:23.459,0:11:29.399
to use this new Fox vocal positions
0:11:25.440,0:11:32.040
start with the fox howl okay play it for
0:11:29.399,0:11:33.720
one or two series and just listen
0:11:32.040,0:11:36.779
and now I enter it
0:11:33.720,0:11:38.880
oh yeah well they usually answer back
0:11:36.779,0:11:41.279
what the the key sound here is that
0:11:38.880,0:11:43.440
mating bark again the three syllable
0:11:41.279,0:11:46.380
bark and once you get familiar with it
0:11:43.440,0:11:48.240
there's no mistake but even on the I use
0:11:46.380,0:11:51.060
that just like alone house
0:11:48.240,0:11:52.860
okay so how and then they'll do it now
0:11:51.060,0:11:56.160
sometimes you'll hear two of them two
0:11:52.860,0:11:58.620
facts barking back and forth okay and
0:11:56.160,0:12:00.959
the neat part about it is
0:11:58.620,0:12:02.820
when they do that you can track their
0:12:00.959,0:12:04.860
positioning by their sounds and they
0:12:02.820,0:12:07.140
move pretty quick so you'll hear them
0:12:04.860,0:12:08.700
drawn closer to each other hopefully
0:12:07.140,0:12:10.260
you're in the middle of them if that's
0:12:08.700,0:12:12.060
the case I usually go into some sort of
0:12:10.260,0:12:15.839
prey distress and draw them in
0:12:12.060,0:12:17.760
but if you only hear one just mimic what
0:12:15.839,0:12:19.320
you hear and they will come in and
0:12:17.760,0:12:20.700
you'll and you'll hear them so position
0:12:19.320,0:12:22.500
you're going to that location because
0:12:20.700,0:12:25.560
it's no surprise they're coming here
0:12:22.500,0:12:26.820
it's so it's really cool how you know
0:12:25.560,0:12:29.339
like when you're when you're running
0:12:26.820,0:12:31.920
just a fox vocalization so they they
0:12:29.339,0:12:34.019
will come to them you don't have to like
0:12:31.920,0:12:36.060
transition into a rabbit sound or bird
0:12:34.019,0:12:37.380
or whatever some kind of pregnant no
0:12:36.060,0:12:39.959
they'll actually come to the
0:12:37.380,0:12:42.959
vocalizations as well if it's only one
0:12:39.959,0:12:45.480
fox 100 okay if you deal with a single
0:12:42.959,0:12:47.279
Fox just use that mating bark and well
0:12:45.480,0:12:48.720
there's a couple other yeah if you can't
0:12:47.279,0:12:51.240
find that mating bark I should have said
0:12:48.720,0:12:53.639
this another great sound is that arctic
0:12:51.240,0:12:55.560
fox that's in the fox Pro Library yeah
0:12:53.639,0:12:57.839
yeah that's Sim now obviously I'm in New
0:12:55.560,0:12:59.880
York there's an arctic fox here but that
0:12:57.839,0:13:01.680
sound similar they'll come run into that
0:12:59.880,0:13:04.139
too that simulates the mating Mark
0:13:01.680,0:13:06.959
pretty good so when they do respond to
0:13:04.139,0:13:08.579
these type sounds when I say respond uh
0:13:06.959,0:13:10.980
when they start coming to the call do
0:13:08.579,0:13:13.880
they come they charge him pretty hard or
0:13:10.980,0:13:13.880
is it more of a cautious
0:13:22.399,0:13:28.740
oh yeah it's really good well let me ask
0:13:25.079,0:13:30.240
you this about those type type of sounds
0:13:28.740,0:13:33.180
um you know I know you hunt areas that
0:13:30.240,0:13:34.980
have coyotes and foxes will will coyotes
0:13:33.180,0:13:37.200
ever respond to that come in to those
0:13:34.980,0:13:41.040
Fox vocalizations like that
0:13:37.200,0:13:43.200
in my experience I don't
0:13:41.040,0:13:45.839
recognize that as being being a real
0:13:43.200,0:13:47.639
Factor okay so no but not to that sound
0:13:45.839,0:13:50.279
others fox sounds that we'll talk about
0:13:47.639,0:13:52.500
later 100 yes right but when I'm doing
0:13:50.279,0:13:54.000
this fox vocalizations I mean there's
0:13:52.500,0:13:55.380
you know there's no absolutes when
0:13:54.000,0:13:57.360
you're predator hunting I'm not saying
0:13:55.380,0:14:00.839
they can't but I'm just not seeing it in
0:13:57.360,0:14:02.519
my area right right right well 38 I was
0:14:00.839,0:14:05.160
I was wondering because you know I've
0:14:02.519,0:14:06.959
played uh I've you know a lot of times I
0:14:05.160,0:14:09.240
get into some pressured areas for
0:14:06.959,0:14:11.700
coyotes I'll run some fox sounds usually
0:14:09.240,0:14:13.620
gray fox sounds like Platinum gray great
0:14:11.700,0:14:16.260
sound for for coyotes will come running
0:14:13.620,0:14:18.420
into that and I've also played uh I
0:14:16.260,0:14:20.700
think it's juvenile red fox I've killed
0:14:18.420,0:14:22.680
several coyotes to juvenile red fox is
0:14:20.700,0:14:25.200
is that a type of sound you ever played
0:14:22.680,0:14:27.600
for for Fox and will they come to that
0:14:25.200,0:14:30.000
pretty hard well it's funny yeah I mean
0:14:27.600,0:14:31.620
because there's a plethora of Fox
0:14:30.000,0:14:33.720
distress sounds and then the five-star
0:14:31.620,0:14:35.519
library and the one that I'm finding the
0:14:33.720,0:14:37.139
best results was I think Jeremy Brown
0:14:35.519,0:14:40.860
actually turned me on to it was that
0:14:37.139,0:14:42.180
raspy okay that's about the best one in
0:14:40.860,0:14:44.220
my experience
0:14:42.180,0:14:45.779
um I don't really use that that much
0:14:44.220,0:14:49.139
when I'm doing this vocalization thing
0:14:45.779,0:14:51.300
it's primarily it's the howls in those
0:14:49.139,0:14:54.240
barks whether it's the generic one or
0:14:51.300,0:14:56.639
the arctic fox okay but there's more to
0:14:54.240,0:14:57.839
it because sometimes if they come and
0:14:56.639,0:15:00.240
they hold up and all of a sudden you
0:14:57.839,0:15:02.639
hear that territorial bark which is just
0:15:00.240,0:15:04.680
a more long drawn out raspy bark
0:15:02.639,0:15:07.920
then what do you do well the question
0:15:04.680,0:15:09.360
what I do I I have that downloaded here
0:15:07.920,0:15:12.180
on my call
0:15:09.360,0:15:14.459
I play it right back to him okay okay so
0:15:12.180,0:15:17.600
now you're talking about what they're
0:15:14.459,0:15:20.579
saying with a fox just mimic everything
0:15:17.600,0:15:22.079
just just accept if they howl then I go
0:15:20.579,0:15:24.740
into the mating box because that's that
0:15:22.079,0:15:28.320
sort of stimulates the approach but
0:15:24.740,0:15:31.019
territorial barks and the warning bark I
0:15:28.320,0:15:33.180
really don't I just do the I just do the
0:15:31.019,0:15:34.620
territorial bark more but that's a good
0:15:33.180,0:15:36.420
one
0:15:34.620,0:15:38.160
that you're they're staking claim to
0:15:36.420,0:15:40.380
land with that one for the most part and
0:15:38.160,0:15:44.220
they'll break to it so that's that's
0:15:40.380,0:15:47.100
pretty exciting too yeah so tell me
0:15:44.220,0:15:49.199
about your your on stand and you've been
0:15:47.100,0:15:50.940
running these sounds you know you have a
0:15:49.199,0:15:53.820
fox out there and you cannot get him to
0:15:50.940,0:15:56.399
commit to come on in what what then do
0:15:53.820,0:15:59.699
you go to any kind of say Fox distress
0:15:56.399,0:16:01.260
type sounds or what's the next step if
0:15:59.699,0:16:03.420
they okay so if I'm having a
0:16:01.260,0:16:05.160
conversation with the fox using this and
0:16:03.420,0:16:07.500
it goes dead and I don't know where they
0:16:05.160,0:16:09.899
are I would go to I'd go to standby baby
0:16:07.500,0:16:11.360
Cottontail go right to your prey
0:16:09.899,0:16:14.040
distress
0:16:11.360,0:16:16.440
yeah especially as I mentioned when
0:16:14.040,0:16:18.839
there's two of them out there you can
0:16:16.440,0:16:20.639
clearly hear like once maybe to your
0:16:18.839,0:16:22.199
left one to your right whatever and they
0:16:20.639,0:16:23.160
come together now they're hunting
0:16:22.199,0:16:25.980
together
0:16:23.160,0:16:27.839
then I back off the you know I don't
0:16:25.980,0:16:29.040
sometimes I'm a third Fox I shouldn't
0:16:27.839,0:16:31.680
say this they haven't done it in a year
0:16:29.040,0:16:33.899
but sometimes they both will come to the
0:16:31.680,0:16:36.560
meeting for whatever reason
0:16:33.899,0:16:39.660
um probably just out of curiosity
0:16:36.560,0:16:41.459
they'll they'll come to it but sometimes
0:16:39.660,0:16:44.339
if that if I've got two in the area now
0:16:41.459,0:16:46.320
then I'll go to pray distress also so it
0:16:44.339,0:16:48.839
could be a combination okay well it's
0:16:46.320,0:16:50.459
pretty interesting so I guess rule of
0:16:48.839,0:16:52.500
thumb for you Andrew from what I'm
0:16:50.459,0:16:54.480
picking up here is if you think you've
0:16:52.500,0:16:56.220
just got one fox out there you're pretty
0:16:54.480,0:16:57.959
much sticking right with the fox
0:16:56.220,0:17:00.000
vocalizations but if you think you have
0:16:57.959,0:17:01.500
multiples you'll start leaning more
0:17:00.000,0:17:02.600
towards your prey distress sounds is
0:17:01.500,0:17:06.540
that correct
0:17:02.600,0:17:09.240
yes but if if there were two people
0:17:06.540,0:17:11.579
there right well you know what it's
0:17:09.240,0:17:13.740
funny because people say what do you do
0:17:11.579,0:17:16.439
understand it it all depends on the
0:17:13.740,0:17:18.419
situation my answer now is it depends on
0:17:16.439,0:17:20.299
what they're doing so if I have two
0:17:18.419,0:17:22.980
facts out there and they're still
0:17:20.299,0:17:24.780
admitting that mating bark and I'm doing
0:17:22.980,0:17:27.000
and they're coming in I let them both
0:17:24.780,0:17:29.520
come in with that right right and if
0:17:27.000,0:17:31.500
they stop and do nothing then I switch
0:17:29.520,0:17:34.200
to another sound okay but if they yeah
0:17:31.500,0:17:36.539
that that's the the real ticket to it if
0:17:34.200,0:17:37.919
they continue to be vocal with the
0:17:36.539,0:17:40.620
mating barks
0:17:37.919,0:17:42.539
limited if they stop and do something
0:17:40.620,0:17:43.919
with territorial or some you know a
0:17:42.539,0:17:45.900
warning Squad then you're in more
0:17:43.919,0:17:48.780
trouble and then you would have to then
0:17:45.900,0:17:50.039
then you turn into a DJ and flip through
0:17:48.780,0:17:51.120
all your sounds until you get them a
0:17:50.039,0:17:53.039
break you're just trying to find
0:17:51.120,0:17:56.280
something to get them to trigger right
0:17:53.039,0:17:58.500
right exactly okay well well what is
0:17:56.280,0:17:59.820
there any other Fox vocalizations that
0:17:58.500,0:18:01.860
you'll run besides the ones that are
0:17:59.820,0:18:03.250
mentioned
0:18:01.860,0:18:04.620
well for these well
0:18:03.250,0:18:06.660
[Applause]
0:18:04.620,0:18:10.140
Cypher Reds
0:18:06.660,0:18:11.160
for you know what yeah I don't know
0:18:10.140,0:18:13.140
whether this fits in our conversation
0:18:11.160,0:18:16.919
but if I ever get in trouble on any
0:18:13.140,0:18:20.220
stand targeting Fox red fox I play
0:18:16.919,0:18:22.740
Platinum gray Platinum great and most
0:18:20.220,0:18:24.419
people say that oh that's a gray fox
0:18:22.740,0:18:27.740
sound no no
0:18:24.419,0:18:31.200
that is my number two killer of red fox
0:18:27.740,0:18:34.440
is this like a secret you're putting out
0:18:31.200,0:18:37.320
here no because I've read about I I've
0:18:34.440,0:18:39.179
written about it Platinum Gray
0:18:37.320,0:18:43.160
your famous question you hit everybody
0:18:39.179,0:18:45.480
with your one sound I'm torn because
0:18:43.160,0:18:47.900
don't say that just yet because I've got
0:18:45.480,0:18:50.880
to say for the end
0:18:47.900,0:18:53.299
I won't answer it
0:18:50.880,0:18:56.760
um Platinum Gray
0:18:53.299,0:18:58.740
is beyond belief as far as bringing in
0:18:56.760,0:19:00.299
red fox yeah and you know what I've
0:18:58.740,0:19:02.640
played I've you know I mentioned it
0:19:00.299,0:19:04.620
earlier I played Platinum gray fox a lot
0:19:02.640,0:19:07.860
of times I'll play it in pressured areas
0:19:04.620,0:19:09.660
for coyotes coyotes will come to it I've
0:19:07.860,0:19:11.820
I have never I will say I've never
0:19:09.660,0:19:14.220
caught a a red fox to it but I have
0:19:11.820,0:19:16.980
called Grays to it I've called coyotes
0:19:14.220,0:19:20.280
and I have called Bobcats to platinum
0:19:16.980,0:19:21.660
gray fox okay well you need to do me a
0:19:20.280,0:19:23.160
favor next time you're in a vicinity
0:19:21.660,0:19:25.799
with some red fox doing their thing
0:19:23.160,0:19:28.740
please play the Platinum gray and
0:19:25.799,0:19:31.260
prepare yourself definitely yeah it's
0:19:28.740,0:19:33.240
monstrous what's the best let's let's
0:19:31.260,0:19:35.400
let's kind of
0:19:33.240,0:19:37.919
transition to that what about if you're
0:19:35.400,0:19:41.039
hunting an area that you have both you
0:19:37.919,0:19:43.020
know you have both Reds and Grays
0:19:41.039,0:19:45.059
um how does your sound sequence look
0:19:43.020,0:19:47.160
then are you still just going to try to
0:19:45.059,0:19:49.200
Target one of those you know specific
0:19:47.160,0:19:51.960
the reds or the Grays are you trying to
0:19:49.200,0:19:55.320
cast the broadest net so to speak
0:19:51.960,0:19:56.760
no then I would use my
0:19:55.320,0:20:00.179
famous
0:19:56.760,0:20:02.820
magical sequence okay let's hear it 4.0
0:20:00.179,0:20:05.160
but yeah I probably should mention the
0:20:02.820,0:20:06.720
roots of this thing uh first because I
0:20:05.160,0:20:09.720
can't take credit for it it was actually
0:20:06.720,0:20:11.039
Mike Dillon's sequence and this was like
0:20:09.720,0:20:13.320
back in the shoot it was like eight
0:20:11.039,0:20:15.240
years ago he and Abner were up here
0:20:13.320,0:20:17.400
hunting and they it was like two feet of
0:20:15.240,0:20:18.720
snow it was brutal I felt bad for the
0:20:17.400,0:20:19.980
guys they're up there doing their fur
0:20:18.720,0:20:21.539
taker show
0:20:19.980,0:20:24.240
and we weren't getting much going
0:20:21.539,0:20:25.440
initially and all sudden Mike Mike and I
0:20:24.240,0:20:27.179
was just at that point I was just
0:20:25.440,0:20:28.440
playing regular sounds you know two
0:20:27.179,0:20:29.940
three minutes so they asked three
0:20:28.440,0:20:30.960
minutes of that without much thought to
0:20:29.940,0:20:34.080
it right
0:20:30.960,0:20:36.840
but Mike started the sequence
0:20:34.080,0:20:38.400
playing it and as soon as he did that we
0:20:36.840,0:20:40.200
were bringing in Fox even in that
0:20:38.400,0:20:42.780
terrible weather
0:20:40.200,0:20:45.000
on almost every stand and his original
0:20:42.780,0:20:46.919
secret yo that was awesome the original
0:20:45.000,0:20:48.380
sequence of my memory serves correct and
0:20:46.919,0:20:51.419
it was ready
0:20:48.380,0:20:54.539
DSG Cottontail remember that one oh it's
0:20:51.419,0:20:57.299
still play at a time that dates us and
0:20:54.539,0:20:58.280
then the original baby Cottontail which
0:20:57.299,0:21:01.679
was
0:20:58.280,0:21:05.240
b-a-b-y Cottontail which was a mundane
0:21:01.679,0:21:05.240
sound but still effective
0:21:06.380,0:21:13.679
yeah and then the original Gray Fox
0:21:10.799,0:21:15.660
distress so and then when they were up
0:21:13.679,0:21:17.400
we were calling in RADS Grays and
0:21:15.660,0:21:20.160
coyotes so yeah those coyotes were
0:21:17.400,0:21:21.539
showing up at the gray fox portion and I
0:21:20.160,0:21:22.860
would say to Mike why don't we start
0:21:21.539,0:21:25.260
with that sound because everything was
0:21:22.860,0:21:26.700
coming to the gray fox and he goes no no
0:21:25.260,0:21:29.159
I think we gotta play the sea glass
0:21:26.700,0:21:31.440
which was 15 minutes long play each
0:21:29.159,0:21:33.659
sound for five minutes so that was the
0:21:31.440,0:21:35.520
original man I was enamored I was
0:21:33.659,0:21:37.380
thrilled I went wrote an article about
0:21:35.520,0:21:40.140
it right it's a lot because that's how
0:21:37.380,0:21:42.419
effective it was but over the years I've
0:21:40.140,0:21:45.179
tweaked it apparently four times because
0:21:42.419,0:21:47.159
the name is now 4.0 or point oh right
0:21:45.179,0:21:48.840
and I'll tell you what this coming
0:21:47.159,0:21:50.640
Tuesday weather permitting that's why
0:21:48.840,0:21:52.220
I'm going to play it so here it is ready
0:21:50.640,0:21:54.240
yes um
0:21:52.220,0:21:57.140
you've heard me say this on other
0:21:54.240,0:21:59.760
podcasts uh I've got my ink pen ready
0:21:57.140,0:22:01.919
oh yeah because I've got some I've got
0:21:59.760,0:22:03.480
some foxhoes you know I'll go call some
0:22:01.919,0:22:05.820
Fox every once in a while so I want to
0:22:03.480,0:22:08.220
hear it well this is awesome this is
0:22:05.820,0:22:11.220
this is can't miss stuff it's it's a 15
0:22:08.220,0:22:13.919
minute set it's comprised of three
0:22:11.220,0:22:16.799
sounds each sound played for five
0:22:13.919,0:22:19.580
minutes okay in order here they are
0:22:16.799,0:22:22.400
baby Cottontail but the new one the
0:22:19.580,0:22:25.440
b-a-y baby
0:22:22.400,0:22:26.340
Cottontail and then it goes to a bird
0:22:25.440,0:22:29.580
sound
0:22:26.340,0:22:32.760
and I favor tit Mouse tantrum for these
0:22:29.580,0:22:35.220
red facts okay I I sometimes I'll tweak
0:22:32.760,0:22:38.280
it with maybe ranting red bird but
0:22:35.220,0:22:39.900
titmouse tantrum gets the nod initially
0:22:38.280,0:22:43.559
that's the one I have most confidence
0:22:39.900,0:22:45.659
and most hunters know you have to use
0:22:43.559,0:22:47.880
what you have confidence in so somebody
0:22:45.659,0:22:50.039
May experiment with this sequence and in
0:22:47.880,0:22:51.659
substitute of sound that's fine but if
0:22:50.039,0:22:53.580
you're looking for something
0:22:51.659,0:22:56.640
this thing is true and tried and proven
0:22:53.580,0:22:58.919
and awesome so baby Cottontail tip most
0:22:56.640,0:23:02.039
random and then finish with Platinum
0:22:58.919,0:23:04.679
gray distress Platinum gray oh yeah yeah
0:23:02.039,0:23:06.539
and if you do that that like you said
0:23:04.679,0:23:08.100
cast in the widest net
0:23:06.539,0:23:10.380
you don't care what comes in because
0:23:08.100,0:23:12.539
they're all in season uh you know Reds
0:23:10.380,0:23:14.100
Grays coyotes that's the sequence I play
0:23:12.539,0:23:16.559
that ready for this I'm gonna play that
0:23:14.100,0:23:20.640
sequence every night from next Tuesday
0:23:16.559,0:23:23.940
till uh February 25th awesome awesome
0:23:20.640,0:23:25.500
yeah that's how good it is except if
0:23:23.940,0:23:28.020
they're barking then I'll do my
0:23:25.500,0:23:30.299
vocalizations because that's cool that's
0:23:28.020,0:23:32.039
really important that's rewarding you
0:23:30.299,0:23:33.659
know how it is it's like if you shoot a
0:23:32.039,0:23:35.940
bow with a recurve or something or a
0:23:33.659,0:23:38.700
mouth call you made or something that's
0:23:35.940,0:23:40.320
the kind of kind of reward you get using
0:23:38.700,0:23:42.240
the fox vocalization it's because it's
0:23:40.320,0:23:45.299
so different you talked about this this
0:23:42.240,0:23:47.340
uh three sound sequence you know it's a
0:23:45.299,0:23:49.320
15 minute sequence how long are you
0:23:47.340,0:23:52.220
running your your stands where you're
0:23:49.320,0:23:52.220
playing the vocals
0:23:53.360,0:23:58.559
the fox the live actual facts dictate
0:23:56.820,0:24:01.200
that right okay I don't have an answer
0:23:58.559,0:24:03.539
if they're barking I'm barking right so
0:24:01.200,0:24:07.200
to be honest with you it's kind of like
0:24:03.539,0:24:08.640
a game of chess so to speak yes you're
0:24:07.200,0:24:10.740
having a conversation with a wild animal
0:24:08.640,0:24:12.840
it could last five minutes it could be
0:24:10.740,0:24:14.280
10 15 or 20 minutes right you don't know
0:24:12.840,0:24:16.140
but that's the fun part of it because
0:24:14.280,0:24:18.240
it's never boring right because you're
0:24:16.140,0:24:20.159
tracking their progress you know audibly
0:24:18.240,0:24:21.720
through your ears you know maybe you'll
0:24:20.159,0:24:22.919
see them also maybe you'll see them out
0:24:21.720,0:24:25.799
in the distance of your thermal your
0:24:22.919,0:24:27.360
lights whatever you use but but I can't
0:24:25.799,0:24:28.919
answer that question there's no I don't
0:24:27.360,0:24:30.840
say oh I give up after seven minutes no
0:24:28.919,0:24:33.000
no it's whatever they do it's
0:24:30.840,0:24:36.480
situational so when you're working these
0:24:33.000,0:24:38.100
Fox vocal stands is there ever a time I
0:24:36.480,0:24:39.840
mean you just sit tight or is there ever
0:24:38.100,0:24:42.299
a time you say hey I've got to move I've
0:24:39.840,0:24:45.120
got to move over this way ever how many
0:24:42.299,0:24:47.039
yards or go towards this fox or is there
0:24:45.120,0:24:48.960
anything like that that comes into play
0:24:47.039,0:24:50.340
there's a couple things well if it goes
0:24:48.960,0:24:52.020
totally quiet and dead and you feel as
0:24:50.340,0:24:54.419
if they move or you hear them actually
0:24:52.020,0:24:56.460
move away if it is a pair a single one
0:24:54.419,0:24:57.960
won't move away he'll come but if it's a
0:24:56.460,0:25:00.419
pair and you can hear him going away
0:24:57.960,0:25:01.980
yeah then you so you'll probably either
0:25:00.419,0:25:04.020
you'll pour it to him you'll you'll
0:25:01.980,0:25:05.460
crowd them so to speak if you can yeah
0:25:04.020,0:25:06.780
yeah just let it happen go go back
0:25:05.460,0:25:09.900
another night
0:25:06.780,0:25:12.000
um or if you're with a partner I'm
0:25:09.900,0:25:13.740
usually you're saying if they're moving
0:25:12.000,0:25:15.840
away you'll just you'll just pull out
0:25:13.740,0:25:17.880
and try to hold on everybody instead of
0:25:15.840,0:25:19.440
instead of pushing them and trying to
0:25:17.880,0:25:21.059
make something happen you'll just go
0:25:19.440,0:25:22.919
ahead and pull out and and say I'll come
0:25:21.059,0:25:25.980
back and every many days and try them
0:25:22.919,0:25:27.779
again yes and you that's a property
0:25:25.980,0:25:29.220
issue because usually they've moved off
0:25:27.779,0:25:30.140
to a factory where I go I don't have
0:25:29.220,0:25:32.340
permission
0:25:30.140,0:25:34.260
you know when we talk about all this
0:25:32.340,0:25:37.440
stuff with sequences and what you should
0:25:34.260,0:25:38.820
do what you shouldn't do you know it
0:25:37.440,0:25:40.260
kind of goes without saying but you know
0:25:38.820,0:25:42.539
we get these questions all the time
0:25:40.260,0:25:45.000
about what do I do here and why did you
0:25:42.539,0:25:46.380
do this and you know every stand is
0:25:45.000,0:25:48.600
unique
0:25:46.380,0:25:50.279
um everything's situational you know it
0:25:48.600,0:25:52.500
depends on how big your property is it
0:25:50.279,0:25:54.000
depends on the lay of land it there's
0:25:52.500,0:25:55.260
all kinds of factors going into this
0:25:54.000,0:25:56.400
type of stuff and that's one thing you
0:25:55.260,0:25:58.559
know what thanks [ __ ] you know if these
0:25:56.400,0:26:00.600
folks start to move off yeah if you're
0:25:58.559,0:26:02.100
in these areas it's got smaller uh
0:26:00.600,0:26:03.419
private properties you can run out of
0:26:02.100,0:26:06.179
you can run out of real estate pretty
0:26:03.419,0:26:08.400
quick oh there is no doubt you could try
0:26:06.179,0:26:09.600
you could if you have permission across
0:26:08.400,0:26:10.620
the block or whatever get in your car
0:26:09.600,0:26:12.720
and drive around
0:26:10.620,0:26:14.580
and we have done that and a couple years
0:26:12.720,0:26:18.059
ago with some of my buddies big farms so
0:26:14.580,0:26:20.279
my spots here it's over if they if they
0:26:18.059,0:26:21.720
take off it's over but then so pretend
0:26:20.279,0:26:23.340
they do that after 10 minutes I would
0:26:21.720,0:26:25.799
probably just go into my magic sequence
0:26:23.340,0:26:27.900
for another 15 minutes then leave and
0:26:25.799,0:26:29.460
say okay that's it for tonight and try
0:26:27.900,0:26:31.200
to get them another time let me ask
0:26:29.460,0:26:34.200
another thing about the fox vocals which
0:26:31.200,0:26:37.020
I know Fox are rarely active during the
0:26:34.200,0:26:39.779
day I have called Fox during the day
0:26:37.020,0:26:42.120
here in Kentucky uh and out west in a
0:26:39.779,0:26:43.860
couple States but will they vocalize
0:26:42.120,0:26:46.679
like that during the daytime or is that
0:26:43.860,0:26:47.760
just primarily a nighttime thing that
0:26:46.679,0:26:50.460
you hear
0:26:47.760,0:26:53.340
in my experience it's a nighttime thing
0:26:50.460,0:26:56.520
that being said midday now this is crazy
0:26:53.340,0:26:58.260
I typically never hunt the midday except
0:26:56.520,0:27:00.419
for two days ago a landowner called me
0:26:58.260,0:27:02.460
Tommy saw a big red coyote yep so I
0:27:00.419,0:27:05.700
zipped over there and I called it in it
0:27:02.460,0:27:07.320
was a big red fox oh really one o'clock
0:27:05.700,0:27:08.700
well yeah I called in two at one
0:27:07.320,0:27:10.919
actually I put the footage on on
0:27:08.700,0:27:12.480
Facebook there it came right out but he
0:27:10.919,0:27:14.419
came from with some bird distress really
0:27:12.480,0:27:16.679
yeah um
0:27:14.419,0:27:19.140
he was pretty much making a coyote stand
0:27:16.679,0:27:20.580
and fox showed up exactly because this
0:27:19.140,0:27:22.500
guy said he saw a coyote so I was all
0:27:20.580,0:27:24.000
right and then when I saw it I was I
0:27:22.500,0:27:26.340
mean I didn't mind so I got footage of
0:27:24.000,0:27:29.279
it through my ATM scope I I didn't care
0:27:26.340,0:27:31.200
right it was funny it's always cool when
0:27:29.279,0:27:32.700
you call in creators you know so yeah
0:27:31.200,0:27:35.940
yeah but but to answer your original
0:27:32.700,0:27:38.640
question no maybe like Dusk and Dawn but
0:27:35.940,0:27:41.100
it's a nighttime thing yeah primarily in
0:27:38.640,0:27:43.380
my experience well is there is there
0:27:41.100,0:27:46.320
anything else that we need to cover on
0:27:43.380,0:27:48.900
uh as far as Fox vocals go
0:27:46.320,0:27:50.520
well did we leave anything on the table
0:27:48.900,0:27:53.419
that we need to let these guys know
0:27:50.520,0:27:56.159
about well except for maybe
0:27:53.419,0:27:57.960
recommended sounds that for the facts
0:27:56.159,0:28:00.240
vocalizations
0:27:57.960,0:28:02.039
um you guys are looking just because if
0:28:00.240,0:28:04.080
somebody's new to this LG what sounds
0:28:02.039,0:28:05.400
they're on the website and just say what
0:28:04.080,0:28:08.100
should I look at I can tell you right
0:28:05.400,0:28:10.500
now red fox Rally from the fox Pro
0:28:08.100,0:28:12.600
library is a good sound I already
0:28:10.500,0:28:14.880
mentioned the arctic fox here's another
0:28:12.600,0:28:16.500
one red facts talking which is almost
0:28:14.880,0:28:18.720
like a geckery in sound he says real
0:28:16.500,0:28:21.720
chatty yep and that here's a little hint
0:28:18.720,0:28:25.140
on that one that's good to use when Fox
0:28:21.720,0:28:27.299
have been spooked really okay yeah for
0:28:25.140,0:28:28.679
whatever reason if you spook a fox out
0:28:27.299,0:28:30.240
maybe they see you or windy or whatever
0:28:28.679,0:28:32.220
which is something else we can talk
0:28:30.240,0:28:35.400
about here in a little bit play that red
0:28:32.220,0:28:37.080
fox talking and for whatever reason the
0:28:35.400,0:28:37.880
hotel come back to it
0:28:37.080,0:28:40.500
um
0:28:37.880,0:28:43.140
let's expand on that a little bit I mean
0:28:40.500,0:28:46.140
say that situation occurs you know they
0:28:43.140,0:28:48.840
cut you track or whatever and you go to
0:28:46.140,0:28:51.539
that how's that play out
0:28:48.840,0:28:53.880
well usually if you okay if you're set
0:28:51.539,0:28:56.760
up in a fax is coming now if he wins you
0:28:53.880,0:28:58.620
that's one thing but if he if he doesn't
0:28:56.760,0:29:00.179
win you but if he sees you moving now
0:28:58.620,0:29:03.360
even at night and then the key to this
0:29:00.179,0:29:06.419
is fox or coyote in my experience the
0:29:03.360,0:29:09.600
key to beating a fox's vision is to move
0:29:06.419,0:29:12.179
slow because they have their close-up
0:29:09.600,0:29:15.539
vision is very acute but from a distance
0:29:12.179,0:29:18.960
their their vision isn't that great but
0:29:15.539,0:29:20.460
they can still pick out movement so day
0:29:18.960,0:29:22.919
or night because you know Sun you know
0:29:20.460,0:29:24.200
uh Moonlight or ambient light from a
0:29:22.919,0:29:27.960
farm or whatever
0:29:24.200,0:29:29.700
if you move slow would mean position in
0:29:27.960,0:29:32.340
your rifle your scanning arm or whatever
0:29:29.700,0:29:34.559
you're doing slow motion will be far
0:29:32.340,0:29:36.779
more effective than moving quick quickly
0:29:34.559,0:29:39.659
they pick out those so but if you just
0:29:36.779,0:29:42.779
be if you're moving and you spook a fox
0:29:39.659,0:29:44.279
then yeah I would change up a sound and
0:29:42.779,0:29:46.260
I would if we're talking vocalizations
0:29:44.279,0:29:48.840
I'll go to that red fox talking that's
0:29:46.260,0:29:49.919
my go-to in that situation okay okay now
0:29:48.840,0:29:51.600
do you usually turn them and they'll
0:29:49.919,0:29:54.120
come burning back in or they just stop
0:29:51.600,0:29:55.500
for a for a chance or how do they react
0:29:54.120,0:29:58.440
to it
0:29:55.500,0:30:00.779
well usually what they'll do is go out
0:29:58.440,0:30:02.760
sit on their haunches like a dog you've
0:30:00.779,0:30:04.740
all seen that and figure themselves out
0:30:02.760,0:30:07.260
figure out what's going on here I mean
0:30:04.740,0:30:08.760
people talk oh Fox are easy to call you
0:30:07.260,0:30:10.980
know coyotes are much harder and all
0:30:08.760,0:30:13.020
that well the facts here are smart
0:30:10.980,0:30:14.640
they'll still Circle at 200 yards a lot
0:30:13.020,0:30:17.039
of times now granted we do get them to
0:30:14.640,0:30:18.779
charge in hard Chargers yes but I treat
0:30:17.039,0:30:21.179
the fox with respect I know they're
0:30:18.779,0:30:23.159
using their nose just like the coyote
0:30:21.179,0:30:25.740
yeah so
0:30:23.159,0:30:27.000
um I give them my ultimate respect
0:30:25.740,0:30:28.980
um but if they sit out there and it
0:30:27.000,0:30:32.640
haunches you just have to find something
0:30:28.980,0:30:35.520
to break them and I'll use that that
0:30:32.640,0:30:36.960
talk in one red facts talking if I want
0:30:35.520,0:30:38.899
to break them another way it's not a
0:30:36.960,0:30:41.159
vocalization but field mouse distress
0:30:38.899,0:30:43.559
people always talk about use some sort
0:30:41.159,0:30:46.740
of coaxer my number one cultured in that
0:30:43.559,0:30:48.659
in the Fox 4 library and I use it 99 of
0:30:46.740,0:30:52.880
the time is field mouse distress that's
0:30:48.659,0:30:54.899
for anything for coyotes or or red fox
0:30:52.880,0:30:56.820
fights are funny they'll sit there and
0:30:54.899,0:30:58.980
they'll now there's another situation if
0:30:56.820,0:31:01.679
you get one who's spooked or checked up
0:30:58.980,0:31:04.200
on any approach
0:31:01.679,0:31:06.480
you're looking at them just keep
0:31:04.200,0:31:10.080
switching sounds right and eventually
0:31:06.480,0:31:11.820
not 100 but a high percentage something
0:31:10.080,0:31:13.860
will come whether it's some sort of bird
0:31:11.820,0:31:15.419
or any anything right so you're just
0:31:13.860,0:31:16.860
kind of reading her body languages keep
0:31:15.419,0:31:18.299
throwing stuff out there I mean they're
0:31:16.860,0:31:20.159
not going anywhere you know as long as
0:31:18.299,0:31:21.240
they're not going anywhere just right so
0:31:20.159,0:31:23.460
you want to see if you can give them a
0:31:21.240,0:31:25.559
break exactly and for the guys using
0:31:23.460,0:31:27.659
lights if they're still using red lights
0:31:25.559,0:31:29.460
which is fine that's an art form if you
0:31:27.659,0:31:31.980
looking at a fox with your red light and
0:31:29.460,0:31:33.539
he's blinking his eyes he's probably not
0:31:31.980,0:31:35.820
blinking he's turning his head looking
0:31:33.539,0:31:37.200
for a mate so keep scanning for another
0:31:35.820,0:31:39.659
one to come in that's another little
0:31:37.200,0:31:42.000
tidbit and then you know pay attention
0:31:39.659,0:31:44.580
to which one's going to commit okay well
0:31:42.000,0:31:47.640
also Taylor Swatch your uh watch your
0:31:44.580,0:31:49.080
three favorite sounds for red fox top
0:31:47.640,0:31:51.179
three sounds that you're going to make
0:31:49.080,0:31:54.000
sure you're going to be playing
0:31:51.179,0:31:56.039
throughout the season yeah wow it's got
0:31:54.000,0:31:57.720
to be baby Cottontail to start it's just
0:31:56.039,0:31:59.580
proven I wish it wasn't it's not my
0:31:57.720,0:32:01.279
favorite sound to listen to and after a
0:31:59.580,0:32:04.320
couple months
0:32:01.279,0:32:05.760
it's got to be that it's got to be tit
0:32:04.320,0:32:06.659
Mouse tantrum of your writing I hate to
0:32:05.760,0:32:09.179
say this
0:32:06.659,0:32:11.100
it's Platinum gray it's those three so
0:32:09.179,0:32:13.860
yeah your top three
0:32:11.100,0:32:16.020
uh red fox sounds or two prey distress
0:32:13.860,0:32:17.960
sounds and then
0:32:16.020,0:32:20.760
than the Platinum gray
0:32:17.960,0:32:23.039
100 so there's not a there's not actual
0:32:20.760,0:32:25.340
a fox a red fox sound in your top three
0:32:23.039,0:32:28.320
red fox sounds
0:32:25.340,0:32:30.539
because that's such a niche that's an I
0:32:28.320,0:32:32.760
mean I wouldn't go out and just do
0:32:30.539,0:32:35.279
Fox mating sounds
0:32:32.760,0:32:36.899
uh right because it's not just certain
0:32:35.279,0:32:38.640
because it's got yeah that's a niche
0:32:36.899,0:32:40.320
it's a niche situation it's when you
0:32:38.640,0:32:41.520
really want to have some fun try
0:32:40.320,0:32:43.320
something different or if you hear them
0:32:41.520,0:32:44.760
if I hear him barking that's my go-to if
0:32:43.320,0:32:46.440
your question would have been if you
0:32:44.760,0:32:48.299
hear a fox what's the first time you
0:32:46.440,0:32:49.740
play right well Fox mating marks right
0:32:48.299,0:32:51.659
but if it's a cold call and it's a
0:32:49.740,0:32:54.419
regular night quiet night baby
0:32:51.659,0:32:55.799
Cottontail I got you sorry well let's go
0:32:54.419,0:32:57.720
let's go ahead and cover that watch your
0:32:55.799,0:33:00.539
watch your top three favorite sounds for
0:32:57.720,0:33:03.360
red fox when they are vocalizing
0:33:00.539,0:33:05.039
oh for sure okay well there's it's got
0:33:03.360,0:33:07.440
to be the mating marks
0:33:05.039,0:33:09.960
for number one
0:33:07.440,0:33:12.059
um if they here's this is sort of neat
0:33:09.960,0:33:14.940
too if they because I mentioned before
0:33:12.059,0:33:17.279
starting with the howl but if you're
0:33:14.940,0:33:18.659
barking back and forth and they stop and
0:33:17.279,0:33:20.820
you don't know what to do
0:33:18.659,0:33:22.679
fire up one of those howls okay because
0:33:20.820,0:33:24.960
that might in everybody's new word
0:33:22.679,0:33:27.600
trigger that might trigger them to
0:33:24.960,0:33:30.600
commence the uh communication again
0:33:27.600,0:33:32.399
right so those two are huge obviously
0:33:30.600,0:33:34.019
the warning barks I've never used that'd
0:33:32.399,0:33:35.580
be like firing off challenge marks all
0:33:34.019,0:33:36.779
the time for Kyle so I try to stay away
0:33:35.580,0:33:40.200
from that
0:33:36.779,0:33:42.480
um in my in my human logic to it maybe
0:33:40.200,0:33:44.279
somebody has success with that but but I
0:33:42.480,0:33:46.380
shy away from that
0:33:44.279,0:33:48.419
um and then that and then that arctic
0:33:46.380,0:33:49.260
fox from Foxboro Library that's just a
0:33:48.419,0:33:53.100
good sound
0:33:49.260,0:33:55.380
to use good yep yeah what about we'll
0:33:53.100,0:33:57.960
switch gears here and I and I'm
0:33:55.380,0:33:59.159
mad I know guess I know what the three
0:33:57.960,0:34:01.140
sounds are going to be but what about
0:33:59.159,0:34:03.419
gray fox top three sounds for if you're
0:34:01.140,0:34:04.860
going to Target gray fox you know you've
0:34:03.419,0:34:06.299
got a Thicket full of them that's what
0:34:04.860,0:34:08.339
you're going after that's what you're
0:34:06.299,0:34:10.020
targeting yeah yeah but that's sort of a
0:34:08.339,0:34:11.700
fun question because up here we have a
0:34:10.020,0:34:13.980
deal here with park at the movie Coyote
0:34:11.700,0:34:16.619
Club you want to get a slam and one
0:34:13.980,0:34:18.960
night you want to get a red fox a coyote
0:34:16.619,0:34:20.099
and a gray fox it's hard to get all to
0:34:18.960,0:34:22.800
get all three
0:34:20.099,0:34:25.020
so but sometimes if you get a red fox
0:34:22.800,0:34:27.119
pretty easy then you get a bonus coyote
0:34:25.020,0:34:28.800
and now the charge is on yeah you've got
0:34:27.119,0:34:32.280
to talk you've got to Target them Grays
0:34:28.800,0:34:35.159
now to figure out a mission there's no
0:34:32.280,0:34:37.260
doubt so what I would do is get an area
0:34:35.159,0:34:38.940
with some where obviously we're from
0:34:37.260,0:34:42.919
prior experience with scouting you know
0:34:38.940,0:34:45.480
there's some gray fox I would go with
0:34:42.919,0:34:47.399
I would probably start with some sort of
0:34:45.480,0:34:48.960
bird but only for like a minute okay but
0:34:47.399,0:34:50.599
then I would go right I'd go platinum
0:34:48.960,0:34:55.440
Gray
0:34:50.599,0:34:57.960
uh the traditional Gray Fox distress
0:34:55.440,0:35:00.180
and I'm trying to think of the other
0:34:57.960,0:35:03.720
ones that I would use haven't done it
0:35:00.180,0:35:05.580
yet this year of course yet but um
0:35:03.720,0:35:08.280
oh
0:35:05.580,0:35:10.320
sorry I thought you would go into your
0:35:08.280,0:35:12.320
dealing 4.0
0:35:10.320,0:35:15.500
a sequence
0:35:12.320,0:35:17.700
no because that's that's for everything
0:35:15.500,0:35:20.099
give me a second I got the answer for
0:35:17.700,0:35:21.660
that if I was going for great if I
0:35:20.099,0:35:23.099
really well don't forget I've already
0:35:21.660,0:35:24.300
killed the other you ain't going back
0:35:23.099,0:35:27.619
and looking through some of your past
0:35:24.300,0:35:30.599
articles are you no I'm on my remote
0:35:27.619,0:35:32.339
I'm on my remote it's right here oh
0:35:30.599,0:35:33.780
sealed I knew it I was just see I
0:35:32.339,0:35:36.119
haven't done this in a year steel town
0:35:33.780,0:35:38.640
girl oh yeah excellent sound a great
0:35:36.119,0:35:40.560
yeah you'll see your house to that too
0:35:38.640,0:35:42.599
so yeah steel time that's the other one
0:35:40.560,0:35:45.000
the name had escaped me because I'm
0:35:42.599,0:35:47.099
Rusty I'm in coyote mode right so yeah
0:35:45.000,0:35:48.140
but I'll come back strong next week I
0:35:47.099,0:35:51.000
promise
0:35:48.140,0:35:53.060
well you mentioned cows give me your top
0:35:51.000,0:35:56.460
three favorite sounds for coyotes
0:35:53.060,0:35:58.740
wow can you break it no anything say
0:35:56.460,0:36:01.320
let's let's generalize it here because
0:35:58.740,0:36:03.720
you know different times of year can
0:36:01.320,0:36:07.020
make somebody's you know top three
0:36:03.720,0:36:09.500
change let's say if um you know if like
0:36:07.020,0:36:12.000
I said if Mike and Steve
0:36:09.500,0:36:13.980
here we go I'm gonna give you one prayer
0:36:12.000,0:36:15.300
okay then I'll give you vocalization and
0:36:13.980,0:36:17.400
then I'll give you pop we'll have some
0:36:15.300,0:36:21.540
real fun for coyos for sure pray ready
0:36:17.400,0:36:23.400
yep baby Cottontail perfect okay now for
0:36:21.540,0:36:25.380
a howl
0:36:23.400,0:36:28.500
ready I'll blow your mind with this one
0:36:25.380,0:36:31.500
let's hear it Foxpro mm which is Matt
0:36:28.500,0:36:34.320
McHugh yep Pat passive howl you know
0:36:31.500,0:36:36.420
I've heard I have never played that
0:36:34.320,0:36:39.420
sound on stand but you're not the first
0:36:36.420,0:36:41.400
person I've heard say that yeah it's a
0:36:39.420,0:36:44.940
secret I might have to try that this
0:36:41.400,0:36:45.900
weekend it's really good okay and then
0:36:44.940,0:36:48.780
for
0:36:45.900,0:36:50.520
um a pup distress I'm ready I like
0:36:48.780,0:36:52.260
frantic pup distress it's one of the new
0:36:50.520,0:36:53.760
ones there from about a year ago I know
0:36:52.260,0:36:56.700
I'm supposed to say number three the
0:36:53.760,0:36:58.220
granddaddy of them all no but I I like
0:36:56.700,0:37:01.140
frantic Pub
0:36:58.220,0:37:03.300
so if the dealings come you said you
0:37:01.140,0:37:04.920
know you this season calling coyote you
0:37:03.300,0:37:06.359
can only have three sounds on your
0:37:04.920,0:37:07.740
collar for coyotes that's what you're
0:37:06.359,0:37:09.900
picking
0:37:07.740,0:37:11.940
oh yeah that would never get it done
0:37:09.900,0:37:14.460
awesome yeah awesome yep that's good
0:37:11.940,0:37:16.619
stuff so what about you know here we go
0:37:14.460,0:37:17.640
right back and I I think we all know the
0:37:16.619,0:37:19.740
answer because we talked about it
0:37:17.640,0:37:21.900
earlier but uh watch your number one
0:37:19.740,0:37:24.000
sound if you're gonna have one Sound On
0:37:21.900,0:37:27.060
Your Collar this is for this is for
0:37:24.000,0:37:30.300
coyotes gray fox red fox everything they
0:37:27.060,0:37:32.280
said Andrew we challenging you this year
0:37:30.300,0:37:33.900
you get one Sound On Your Collar and
0:37:32.280,0:37:35.940
that's it what are you gonna have on
0:37:33.900,0:37:38.720
there I want to see something different
0:37:35.940,0:37:40.980
but ready it's Beauty content
0:37:38.720,0:37:43.380
something different no I don't like
0:37:40.980,0:37:47.579
that's such a proven sound and guys if
0:37:43.380,0:37:49.680
you are not playing Bay B Cottontail you
0:37:47.579,0:37:51.180
need to start mixing it in either you
0:37:49.680,0:37:53.579
know in your sequences whatever you're
0:37:51.180,0:37:55.800
doing play that sound it is money for
0:37:53.579,0:37:57.720
every Predator you'll go after it just
0:37:55.800,0:37:59.880
is and no matter what state you're in
0:37:57.720,0:38:02.520
either every state I've ever coyote
0:37:59.880,0:38:03.900
hunted I've called coyotes into baby
0:38:02.520,0:38:06.839
Cottontail
0:38:03.900,0:38:10.079
I can believe it it's it's magical it's
0:38:06.839,0:38:13.020
magical in itself so I yeah what uh what
0:38:10.079,0:38:16.140
units you're running now Andrew
0:38:13.020,0:38:17.760
I I can't get you know what I always
0:38:16.140,0:38:20.460
thought the fusion was the ultimate call
0:38:17.760,0:38:21.480
but and I still have it loaded up with a
0:38:20.460,0:38:25.640
actually I'm gonna break that out
0:38:21.480,0:38:29.280
Tuesday for Fox in the morning but x2s
0:38:25.640,0:38:31.260
yeah 99 of time I've got a shock wave
0:38:29.280,0:38:33.540
sitting here I've got them all heck I
0:38:31.260,0:38:35.420
just loaded some sounds on my model 38
0:38:33.540,0:38:37.740
the other day
0:38:35.420,0:38:39.240
oh yeah how do you need to take it you
0:38:37.740,0:38:41.880
need to take that thing out and call
0:38:39.240,0:38:44.040
some coyotes with it I'm gonna try yeah
0:38:41.880,0:38:46.619
yeah I'm all business I'm not getting
0:38:44.040,0:38:48.420
cute yet yeah I have not gotten queued
0:38:46.619,0:38:50.220
I'm just all strictly business here
0:38:48.420,0:38:53.339
these first couple weeks and especially
0:38:50.220,0:38:54.660
next week too but uh yeah one thing we
0:38:53.339,0:38:56.820
should probably mention I don't know if
0:38:54.660,0:39:00.180
we have time sure just a good time a
0:38:56.820,0:39:01.740
couple uh we talked about hung up Fox
0:39:00.180,0:39:04.619
and how to deal with that and moving
0:39:01.740,0:39:06.359
slow but one thing that's pretty cool
0:39:04.619,0:39:09.660
and that's getting doubles on Fox
0:39:06.359,0:39:12.540
there's a couple a couple tips that can
0:39:09.660,0:39:14.180
help guys uh if it's in the daytime you
0:39:12.540,0:39:17.040
get let's say you got two Fox coming in
0:39:14.180,0:39:19.680
now these things don't show sexual
0:39:17.040,0:39:22.740
dimorphism like males look just like the
0:39:19.680,0:39:25.260
females but if it's in the daytime
0:39:22.740,0:39:27.660
you want to shoot the smaller Fox first
0:39:25.260,0:39:29.640
that would be the female okay and the
0:39:27.660,0:39:31.200
reason for that is so you shoot it it's
0:39:29.640,0:39:32.820
down you can see it there in your
0:39:31.200,0:39:36.000
thermal and your lights whatever the
0:39:32.820,0:39:37.859
other one runs away but the male a high
0:39:36.000,0:39:39.480
percentage of the time will come back
0:39:37.859,0:39:42.900
within 15 minutes and check on her
0:39:39.480,0:39:44.339
really if so if you don't celebrate I
0:39:42.900,0:39:46.800
mean it's awesome to get anything right
0:39:44.339,0:39:48.960
okay but if you don't jump up with your
0:39:46.800,0:39:51.780
partner high five or yeah call your wife
0:39:48.960,0:39:52.740
from the stand or whatever if you sit
0:39:51.780,0:39:55.380
there
0:39:52.740,0:39:57.900
in weight he'll come back into the area
0:39:55.380,0:40:00.480
and sometimes I prompt that by doing
0:39:57.900,0:40:01.920
that you mentioned the stress that's
0:40:00.480,0:40:03.900
when I would play the Fox distress
0:40:01.920,0:40:07.859
sounds which which Fox to Australia
0:40:03.900,0:40:09.720
sandwich no struggling red fox they
0:40:07.859,0:40:11.760
don't know juvenile I don't think it
0:40:09.720,0:40:13.560
really matters okay but anything that
0:40:11.760,0:40:15.540
says there's a fox and hurting because
0:40:13.560,0:40:18.900
now that male say nope she's hurt I
0:40:15.540,0:40:20.400
gotta go look so watches so if it's if
0:40:18.900,0:40:23.460
you shoot the male first the female
0:40:20.400,0:40:25.500
she's gone she's not coming back well I
0:40:23.460,0:40:26.820
can't say that with 100 but I've seen it
0:40:25.500,0:40:28.740
over and over and over and I've always
0:40:26.820,0:40:30.839
done it I've always shoot the smile an
0:40:28.740,0:40:34.020
all-time Hunter taught me that 20 years
0:40:30.839,0:40:37.700
ago yeah so basically what you're saying
0:40:34.020,0:40:37.700
is those lady Fox ain't loyal
0:40:38.119,0:40:43.140
I'm not saying a word
0:40:40.560,0:40:45.119
um but but that that Old Timer told me
0:40:43.140,0:40:47.700
that and I just go with it and it's been
0:40:45.119,0:40:49.380
it's more than once you know several
0:40:47.700,0:40:51.119
times it's been the key well you know
0:40:49.380,0:40:53.579
there's kind of that's kind of the the
0:40:51.119,0:40:55.200
deal with uh with coyote too you know
0:40:53.579,0:40:57.420
when I when they pair up you know
0:40:55.200,0:40:59.099
towards winter uh male and female you
0:40:57.420,0:41:01.440
know that's always was kind of a rule of
0:40:59.099,0:41:03.300
thumb if you got the chance you know if
0:41:01.440,0:41:04.500
you can try to shoot that female first
0:41:03.300,0:41:06.119
because it's a pretty good chance you
0:41:04.500,0:41:08.760
can either stop or call back in that
0:41:06.119,0:41:10.260
coyote and a lot of times it's kind of
0:41:08.760,0:41:12.420
the way it is a lot of times if you
0:41:10.260,0:41:14.400
shoot the male first man that female
0:41:12.420,0:41:15.900
ain't loyal at all she's gone she might
0:41:14.400,0:41:18.660
go Three Counties away before she ever
0:41:15.900,0:41:20.540
stops yeah so always you know you call
0:41:18.660,0:41:23.040
them back right sometimes right right
0:41:20.540,0:41:24.480
yeah I'm hoping to cause some coyotes
0:41:23.040,0:41:25.980
today all but a lot of singles were
0:41:24.480,0:41:27.660
getting up here this year so far yeah
0:41:25.980,0:41:29.160
which is surprising really if you think
0:41:27.660,0:41:31.380
about it the family units should still
0:41:29.160,0:41:33.780
be together you know they they are well
0:41:31.380,0:41:35.640
they were here a week or two ago we were
0:41:33.780,0:41:36.839
killing some doubles killed a triple or
0:41:35.640,0:41:39.240
a couple of weeks ago and I actually
0:41:36.839,0:41:41.099
went this morning and I went to a
0:41:39.240,0:41:43.560
particular piece of property that uh
0:41:41.099,0:41:45.599
it's a cattle farm the landowner called
0:41:43.560,0:41:47.160
me up last week said hey get out here
0:41:45.599,0:41:48.480
I'm seeing like three coyotes in the
0:41:47.160,0:41:51.000
pasture field every morning I go out
0:41:48.480,0:41:52.619
there to feed I was like yeah you know I
0:41:51.000,0:41:54.000
called him you know text him last night
0:41:52.619,0:41:55.980
might say hey I'll be out in the morning
0:41:54.000,0:41:58.079
he said come get them just saw him again
0:41:55.980,0:41:59.400
just a couple days ago so I'm thinking
0:41:58.079,0:42:00.480
I'm gonna I'm thinking it's a family
0:41:59.400,0:42:01.740
group you know I'm gonna get in there
0:42:00.480,0:42:04.020
and just Coyote's going to be running in
0:42:01.740,0:42:06.480
from two different directions well I did
0:42:04.020,0:42:07.619
have a successful hunt uh it took longer
0:42:06.480,0:42:09.060
than I thought I thought I was going to
0:42:07.619,0:42:10.440
call him in with the within the first
0:42:09.060,0:42:13.140
five minutes it actually took about 12
0:42:10.440,0:42:15.480
or 13 minutes and it was a single I'm
0:42:13.140,0:42:17.520
pretty sure it probably was the the big
0:42:15.480,0:42:18.839
male you know Daddy out of the group
0:42:17.520,0:42:21.780
come running right up here he come
0:42:18.839,0:42:23.160
running into mfk pound town you know I
0:42:21.780,0:42:25.200
was at the tail end of my sequence and I
0:42:23.160,0:42:27.420
always kind of like to go to a fight
0:42:25.200,0:42:29.160
um he'd come run up got him kept calling
0:42:27.420,0:42:30.900
none of the other coyote showed up so I
0:42:29.160,0:42:31.680
don't know if they went ahead and kind
0:42:30.900,0:42:33.480
of
0:42:31.680,0:42:36.480
bust it up a little bit more and wasn't
0:42:33.480,0:42:37.859
in you know your shot or what the deal
0:42:36.480,0:42:39.780
was but I was really expecting to get a
0:42:37.859,0:42:41.220
double or triple this morning but hey I
0:42:39.780,0:42:44.220
ain't complaining about the singles
0:42:41.220,0:42:46.619
Andrew no no hey hey any any coyote any
0:42:44.220,0:42:48.540
situation that unsuccessful is worthy of
0:42:46.619,0:42:49.859
Celebration that's my motto and I've
0:42:48.540,0:42:52.680
been enjoying those posts on that
0:42:49.859,0:42:54.119
Facebook oh man he did it again I've
0:42:52.680,0:42:56.640
been watching YouTube I keep up with you
0:42:54.119,0:42:58.760
I'm uh you've been laying the coyote out
0:42:56.640,0:43:01.980
here lately and that's that's awesome
0:42:58.760,0:43:03.780
it's been it's been fun yeah definitely
0:43:01.980,0:43:05.880
here's another really quick tip for
0:43:03.780,0:43:07.619
those facts talk about doubles
0:43:05.880,0:43:08.700
in the daytime now some guys you know
0:43:07.619,0:43:09.780
there's more than one way to do this if
0:43:08.700,0:43:12.660
you're stocking if you're walking
0:43:09.780,0:43:15.060
daytime right at the end of the day now
0:43:12.660,0:43:17.640
because that was for yeah now night time
0:43:15.060,0:43:19.079
okay so I talked about daytime seeing
0:43:17.640,0:43:21.599
those those Fox if they're on the move
0:43:19.079,0:43:23.540
at the night time then of course you
0:43:21.599,0:43:26.400
can't unless you have way better
0:43:23.540,0:43:28.260
graphics you know than I do I can't tell
0:43:26.400,0:43:29.760
the size of a fox at 100 yards or 90
0:43:28.260,0:43:31.619
yards or whatever the case may be right
0:43:29.760,0:43:34.859
if you still shoot one just definitely
0:43:31.619,0:43:36.660
just wait don't still try because you
0:43:34.859,0:43:39.480
might have knocked the female Downs too
0:43:36.660,0:43:42.599
you got a 50 chance yeah yeah definitely
0:43:39.480,0:43:45.060
so and don't forget you might call in a
0:43:42.599,0:43:47.099
a satellite Fox too I hate to say it you
0:43:45.060,0:43:48.420
know might not be the actual pair you're
0:43:47.099,0:43:50.579
still getting a double just might not be
0:43:48.420,0:43:52.920
the same one right but especially now
0:43:50.579,0:43:54.300
here's a kicker usually when I get a fox
0:43:52.920,0:43:56.420
that's within the first three minutes of
0:43:54.300,0:43:58.740
the stand
0:43:56.420,0:44:02.940
this always comes to baby cottontails
0:43:58.740,0:44:04.920
generally I would say I would say 75 of
0:44:02.940,0:44:07.260
my fox hunts I take a shot in the first
0:44:04.920,0:44:09.780
three minutes okay sometimes sometimes
0:44:07.260,0:44:12.359
in a minute so right so if you've walked
0:44:09.780,0:44:13.920
300 yards and you called for 30 seconds
0:44:12.359,0:44:15.720
and shoot
0:44:13.920,0:44:17.280
I'll just let it lay and let it the
0:44:15.720,0:44:18.839
areas calm down for a little bit return
0:44:17.280,0:44:20.520
to its natural state and then start
0:44:18.839,0:44:22.619
right over go right back to Colin yeah
0:44:20.520,0:44:24.839
yeah okay because she was you know it's
0:44:22.619,0:44:27.300
a lot of effort to you know of course
0:44:24.839,0:44:29.099
yeah yeah but but here's a kicker here's
0:44:27.300,0:44:31.560
a neat thing too if you happen to see
0:44:29.099,0:44:33.660
Fox like I'll I don't want to say a worm
0:44:31.560,0:44:34.859
but a sunny winter day in the snow and
0:44:33.660,0:44:36.900
there's two of them bedded down on
0:44:34.859,0:44:40.400
Hillside or something
0:44:36.900,0:44:43.500
a Hunter wants to shoot the fox that's
0:44:40.400,0:44:45.599
below if they're sit there shoot the one
0:44:43.500,0:44:49.220
that's below
0:44:45.599,0:44:52.020
and in front of the other Fox Okay
0:44:49.220,0:44:53.400
because that's generally female because
0:44:52.020,0:44:55.500
the male wants to keep an eye on the
0:44:53.400,0:44:57.839
female is that so he'll generally he'll
0:44:55.500,0:45:00.000
generally be behind her if that makes
0:44:57.839,0:45:01.380
sense when he's laying there yeah so
0:45:00.000,0:45:02.880
she'll be in front of him that's what
0:45:01.380,0:45:04.619
I'm trying to say so that's the one you
0:45:02.880,0:45:07.260
want to shoot because he'll spook
0:45:04.619,0:45:09.180
obviously but he'll again come around in
0:45:07.260,0:45:11.579
that 15 minute Mark a lot more thought
0:45:09.180,0:45:13.339
process goes into this fox stuff and um
0:45:11.579,0:45:15.540
they're tough
0:45:13.339,0:45:16.800
not to mention they're a much smaller
0:45:15.540,0:45:19.220
Target and all those coyotes you're
0:45:16.800,0:45:19.220
drilling
0:45:20.660,0:45:25.380
oh yes but that's a it's a well we've
0:45:23.700,0:45:27.540
got about six inches on a coyote which
0:45:25.380,0:45:29.339
is not a lot you know broadside in a fox
0:45:27.540,0:45:31.140
is four inches yeah and then if they're
0:45:29.339,0:45:33.060
facing if they're facing yeah there's
0:45:31.140,0:45:34.619
like three in a pop can yeah right yeah
0:45:33.060,0:45:36.599
yeah and think about the old days when
0:45:34.619,0:45:37.680
we all had those lights and all you can
0:45:36.599,0:45:39.540
chew that was the head and the eyes
0:45:37.680,0:45:40.980
because nothing was illuminated so
0:45:39.540,0:45:43.260
you're taking I shoot at the eyes only
0:45:40.980,0:45:45.960
that was a tiny Target back in the day I
0:45:43.260,0:45:47.040
don't know how we did it so you know
0:45:45.960,0:45:49.200
it's fun
0:45:47.040,0:45:51.480
it's been good stuff Andreas has I've
0:45:49.200,0:45:53.160
learned a lot and I'm kind of makes me
0:45:51.480,0:45:55.560
want to go fox hunting
0:45:53.160,0:45:58.079
well I would just say to everybody out
0:45:55.560,0:46:00.300
there listening give it a try because
0:45:58.079,0:46:03.300
just like back in the day for for
0:46:00.300,0:46:06.540
coyotes it was always rapid stress then
0:46:03.300,0:46:08.579
oh adult Halloween works now oh Pop
0:46:06.540,0:46:10.980
distress is all the rage same thing with
0:46:08.579,0:46:13.859
this I mean Fox you know treating with
0:46:10.980,0:46:15.660
respect call them in any way you can but
0:46:13.859,0:46:18.359
if you're in a lull if you need
0:46:15.660,0:46:20.760
something exciting try this fox vocal
0:46:18.359,0:46:22.859
it's pretty cool stuff yeah
0:46:20.760,0:46:24.839
it's it's definitely going to try it out
0:46:22.859,0:46:26.579
sometime like I said I've got a couple a
0:46:24.839,0:46:28.980
few Pockets got some fox in them and fox
0:46:26.579,0:46:30.480
are a treat for us so I'll definitely be
0:46:28.980,0:46:32.400
trying something if you know I'm using
0:46:30.480,0:46:35.040
column in on some kind of bird distress
0:46:32.400,0:46:36.359
or you know I I just killed two foxes
0:46:35.040,0:46:38.099
past year
0:46:36.359,0:46:40.079
um had a pretty good Fox spot it's
0:46:38.099,0:46:41.460
actually a place we deer hunt we'd be
0:46:40.079,0:46:43.200
getting red fox pictures on trail
0:46:41.460,0:46:45.180
cameras like crazy being a tree stand
0:46:43.200,0:46:46.859
we'd see them right there at Dusky dark
0:46:45.180,0:46:48.599
you know and I went back in there and
0:46:46.859,0:46:51.119
tried them called called both of them
0:46:48.599,0:46:53.099
into well I called a Perry and a Mrs MC
0:46:51.119,0:46:55.380
Cottontail was able lucky enough to get
0:46:53.099,0:46:57.720
them both and man's one of my you know
0:46:55.380,0:47:00.180
most memorable hunts you know Predator
0:46:57.720,0:47:02.880
stands from this past season so oh it's
0:47:00.180,0:47:04.260
great yeah they're definitely fun will
0:47:02.880,0:47:05.880
you think about fox hunting this is
0:47:04.260,0:47:07.079
exciting so if you're new to predator
0:47:05.880,0:47:09.420
hunting
0:47:07.079,0:47:11.819
you know it's it's an exciting situation
0:47:09.420,0:47:13.440
and they often yield more success than a
0:47:11.819,0:47:15.960
coyote because Eastern coyotes you know
0:47:13.440,0:47:18.599
Easter and West it's hard it gets tough
0:47:15.960,0:47:20.579
it's not easy you know for sure so so
0:47:18.599,0:47:23.819
let me ask you let me ask you this if uh
0:47:20.579,0:47:26.339
sure if say red or gray is either one
0:47:23.819,0:47:27.420
run in on standards a coyote runs in at
0:47:26.339,0:47:31.940
the same time which one you're shooting
0:47:27.420,0:47:31.940
first oh the coyote awesome
0:47:32.839,0:47:37.800
even though Fox are a treat for me I'm
0:47:35.640,0:47:39.960
still shooting that coyote yeah even
0:47:37.800,0:47:41.640
even if listen even if we've shot you
0:47:39.960,0:47:43.619
and I are together we just said we shot
0:47:41.640,0:47:46.260
a coyote we shot a red fox we need the
0:47:43.619,0:47:47.579
gray fox for the for the slam here come
0:47:46.260,0:47:49.800
all three we're still shooting the
0:47:47.579,0:47:53.099
coyote awesome awesome I love it yeah
0:47:49.800,0:47:54.780
yeah yeah yeah well my first trip my
0:47:53.099,0:47:56.940
first trip up there if I got a chance at
0:47:54.780,0:47:58.500
the slam you know I'll probably you know
0:47:56.940,0:48:00.240
I'm gonna make sure I pick up that slam
0:47:58.500,0:48:02.160
but I tell you what yeah I'm gonna have
0:48:00.240,0:48:05.460
I'm gonna have pup distress number three
0:48:02.160,0:48:08.960
or pound town right there hitting that
0:48:05.460,0:48:08.960
button quick see if I can't call it
0:48:09.319,0:48:14.640
would be a good Quest so yeah for sure I
0:48:12.480,0:48:16.319
got I got one more question for you okay
0:48:14.640,0:48:21.540
and it's on your units that you're
0:48:16.319,0:48:24.300
running why why did you choose x2s as
0:48:21.540,0:48:27.240
your top unit for right now
0:48:24.300,0:48:29.819
okay because I could have you know had
0:48:27.240,0:48:31.200
my choice when I was getting them I
0:48:29.819,0:48:33.900
think because I keep hearing about this
0:48:31.200,0:48:36.119
24-bit sound and all that of the X2 for
0:48:33.900,0:48:39.660
there I wanted the full range of
0:48:36.119,0:48:41.880
features Box reviews the diffusion the
0:48:39.660,0:48:43.859
the pitch and all that that that's why I
0:48:41.880,0:48:45.359
chose that one and I just love it I I
0:48:43.859,0:48:48.599
think it's just wonderful I don't know
0:48:45.359,0:48:50.819
do you um play do you use Fox Fusion
0:48:48.599,0:48:54.000
much do you ever mix two sounds oh yeah
0:48:50.819,0:48:55.740
yeah big time yep I do it even now in
0:48:54.000,0:48:57.960
these coyote stands I'll throw a owl in
0:48:55.740,0:48:59.700
the middle of the pup distress just to
0:48:57.960,0:49:01.859
shake it up a little bit I do I do use
0:48:59.700,0:49:04.020
it yeah yeah for sure great tactic great
0:49:01.859,0:49:05.400
great feature that I think is often
0:49:04.020,0:49:08.339
overlooked so that's one of the strong
0:49:05.400,0:49:10.740
things about the x2s for sure yeah uh
0:49:08.339,0:49:12.119
it's it's I I always say to myself how
0:49:10.740,0:49:13.680
can they keep coming out with something
0:49:12.119,0:49:15.180
that's better like I I thought the
0:49:13.680,0:49:16.800
fusion was it I thought the fusion was
0:49:15.180,0:49:18.359
the ultimate yeah it was loud it was
0:49:16.800,0:49:20.880
portable it had chock full of features
0:49:18.359,0:49:22.500
and for somebody like me who you know
0:49:20.880,0:49:25.140
I'm wearing glasses now it's hard to see
0:49:22.500,0:49:27.660
that remote but not on this uh this you
0:49:25.140,0:49:29.220
know tx1000 it's perfect yep so Fox
0:49:27.660,0:49:30.540
Pro's definitely got it going on him
0:49:29.220,0:49:33.180
dealings know what they're doing don't
0:49:30.540,0:49:35.099
they yeah yep that's for sure well
0:49:33.180,0:49:36.960
Andrew you wanna you wanna you got
0:49:35.099,0:49:39.119
anything you'd like to say before we get
0:49:36.960,0:49:41.220
out of here no it's been fun I mean
0:49:39.119,0:49:43.020
enjoy always it's fun talking you and
0:49:41.220,0:49:45.180
watching you on the social media there
0:49:43.020,0:49:47.460
and uh like I say I'm just proud to be
0:49:45.180,0:49:49.619
part of the fox Pearl family here and
0:49:47.460,0:49:51.780
and doing my part to represent up here
0:49:49.619,0:49:54.180
in Western New York and I hope everybody
0:49:51.780,0:49:56.099
out there I seriously try this fox
0:49:54.180,0:49:57.780
vocalizations and let us know how it
0:49:56.099,0:49:59.640
works you know some on social media or
0:49:57.780,0:50:01.319
whatever oh yeah we tried that and it
0:49:59.640,0:50:03.359
worked and it was fun that would be
0:50:01.319,0:50:05.460
successful oh yeah well thanks for being
0:50:03.359,0:50:07.800
on here Andrew yeah sure thing my
0:50:05.460,0:50:09.480
pleasure all right guys we hope you we
0:50:07.800,0:50:11.099
hope everyone enjoyed this episode and
0:50:09.480,0:50:13.940
Hope you join us again right here on the
0:50:11.099,0:50:13.940
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