Jon Collins and Corey Groff discuss calling sequences and hunting tactics targeting bobcats.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast I'm
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pretty pumped about this episode it's
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going to be a good one
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we'll be talking about Bobcat calling
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Our Guest for this podcast is none other
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than Corey Groff hey Corey what are you
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up to buddy
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oh buddy I'm I'm kind of singing the
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blues right now it's a little windy
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today I was wanting to get out and do
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some calling but I guess I'll sit here
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and talk about bobcats with you what do
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you think instead of trying to call some
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in yes sir I'll tell you what we was
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talking about doing a dedicated Bobcat
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calling episode you're the first person
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I thought of you know you're you know
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you know I think a lot of you on the on
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the coyote calling World good good
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friend as well but uh for you guys don't
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know
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Corey which I'm sure most of you do is
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listening to him but man Corey is a
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bobcat caller son he's one of the best
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in the world at doing it so he's gonna
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be perfect for this podcast
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well I do I do appreciate that John and
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like we're saying Bobcat you know most
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Bobcat seasons are in across the country
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and Corey you've you hadn't wasted no
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time you've already you've already
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killed a couple haven't you
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yeah I sure have it's it's uh I've been
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kind of blessed that way I usually don't
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happen that way I'm usually
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further along in December wondering why
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I called the Canadian yet but uh yeah
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right after deer season our deer season
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ended on it Tuesday and I went out on
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Wednesday first day and I I was lucky
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enough to call in a Bobcat so I like
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saying didn't waste no time I was a male
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female
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it's a big old female yes sir well won't
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you won't you tell us about the stand
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how'd it play out what sounds you played
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all that type stuff
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well uh I've had my eye on this thought
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for a while I've had had the property
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for quite some time and I've killed a
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cat there in the past and uh
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it's just a big deep holler is what it
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is and you can it it looks like it's
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really clear but it's got a lot of uh
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what we call around here Sage grass and
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a lot of saplings and stuff in it and
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then of course it's got a lot of buyer
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but you know adjacent to it along the
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property line
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there's a big Ridge
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across one holler and it's full of
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Cedars and it kind of makes an L shape
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and it's just a it's just a perfect
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spot for what I would like to call and
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uh you know it's got good elevation to
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it and uh so that's why I picked that
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stand and and walking in I you have a
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little trouble there because of the sage
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grass is getting pretty tall actually
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when I when I decided to set up at I I
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had to set my call
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over across a holler just so I can make
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sure I could see something coming up to
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you know to the call right right I do
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that quite often on coyote stands as
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well you know yeah I mean yourself in
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trouble if you can't see that call
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oh absolutely and you know it's easier
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for it's easier for the uh Predator once
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he's advancing to the call it's easier
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for him to see it when he's coming up
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than you are seeing right because right
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he's still he's still underneath you you
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know basically and and uh yeah we have
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to you know I know I've never been in
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your part of the country but uh just by
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the videos and stuff I watch it's kind
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of the there's a lot of similarities to
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the type of terrain so I know what
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you're talking about you got to get that
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call where you can see it and
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anyhow getting back to that that's what
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I've done and I I uh I prop my chair out
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and got my camera fired up and
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you know you know me I I went straight
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to that Mrs MC Cottontail and and uh it
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wasn't but about three or four minutes
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into the end of the stand
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I called a bobcat moving down the very
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bottom of that hauler and she Advanced
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up the hill coming through that Sage
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grass but I ain't kidding you when she
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seen that Decoy
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she bolted and come buzzing up through
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there I was actually surprised how fast
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she she Advanced to the call and then
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quickly set on the brakes when she got
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about five feet from it and that's
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that's where I ended up taking her so it
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was pretty exciting staying so so how
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long was the stand
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it was right about five minutes you mean
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it wasn't 45 minutes
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no no no
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it sure wasn't yeah well you know that's
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one thing we we talked me and you've
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talked about that before and you know
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you see these guys talking about these
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huge long stands that they'll set on for
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his Bobcats and I'm not saying that's
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the
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that's the wrong thing to do but you
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know
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better you know in my experience most
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the cats were killing are coming in in
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under eight minutes uh oh yeah a lot of
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them's in the first like you just said
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first five or six minutes you've got a
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cat down
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well the the two Bobcats that I've
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killed so far in the last couple weeks
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uh I hadn't called more than 10 minutes
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together killing them together
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so I mean if that don't tell you
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something right there they'll they'll
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come fast that definitely tells you it
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tells me something now tell us about uh
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tell us about the second cat it was a
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bigger cat wasn't it a nice Tom
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uh they were pretty close to about the
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same size yes it was a nice Tom uh the
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Tom was just a little bit bigger I'd say
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I never did get to weigh my female uh
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the the Tom was right at 25 pounds for
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females you she was pretty heavy for a
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female she had a lot of girth to her and
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and I'd say an older cat uh
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so it's kind of like the first scene I
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was telling you about uh like I said
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I've hunted this property for years and
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going into this stand
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I really wasn't calling for a Bobcat I
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know that they're they're probably there
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but that wasn't the point of my stand
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when I was walking in until
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I crossed a uh Pawn Dam on my way in
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and I just happened to be looking down
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there was water right there going over a
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little spillway
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and I just happened to look down and I
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seen Apollo scat on a rock and I said to
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myself I'm like well that's Bobcat scat
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right and but the wind wasn't right for
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the area brush that was right there
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adjacent
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to where that scat was at and back in
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the summer I actually killed a coyote
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right there and I knew there's more
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right there in that area and that's kind
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of really what I was after but
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so I walked on down the hill and
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at this Farm there's an Old Creek feeder
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that sits up right there and it's a good
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spot to just set up on you know you
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you've got great background you're not
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you're not silhouetted on anything so uh
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I went ahead and set my call up and
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fired it up I started out with uh Mrs MC
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Cottontail again that's you know that's
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one of my favorites I go too the go-to
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and uh
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I was about four minutes in
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and the sun was setting just perfect to
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where it was casting light
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you know to my right and I was back in
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the shadow but
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this cat caught my eye because it just
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lit up on the hillside but I didn't
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think it was a cat I actually thought it
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was a kind right because it was coming
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so hard to the call
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I mean it was full Sprint John I mean
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stretched out awesome full Sprint and I
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grabbed the camera arm and spun the
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camera around
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I I couldn't even get on him fast enough
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before he'd done past me and and was at
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the call
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and uh I ended up killing that cat about
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10 feet from the call awesome so that
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was it was right at when I when I
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stopped around the remote I was on five
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minutes and 30 seconds
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but I was kind of Pumped so I know there
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was about 30 seconds there that I was
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you know
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reminiscing what I just done and then I
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had the time of me setting up too so it
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had to been right about four minutes
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right right that's that's that's pretty
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awesome those are the kind of stands
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sounds like you kind of lived for you
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know and and that's another thing it's
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probably kind of a I don't know if you
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want to call it a bobcat calling myth or
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or what but you know everybody's always
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talking about them always sneaking in or
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coming in and just sitting down on the
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edge of cover and being so you know
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leery of doing whatever but this cat
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literally for Annie in just like a
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coyote full speed hard charge into the
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call
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yeah yeah and and he's a big enough cat
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to you know make sure he gets plenty of
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meals you know he I don't think he was I
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don't think he was really hungry I just
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think he I think the setup was right I
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think I had my call in the right
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position
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and uh
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you know and not only that he had no
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cover if he wanted to come to that call
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you know he he come across the cow
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pasture where the cows would eat it down
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the grass wasn't two or three inches
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tall so that might play a role in why he
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came so fast too you know is he had no
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cover so right right it sounded like he
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had him fooled nonetheless
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yes sir and that's another thing so you
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weighed like 25 pounds and I've always
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said you know you hear about people
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talking about these
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you know big numbers like 40 and 50
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pound cats that's stretching a little
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bit you know there is cats it way well
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up in the 30s and I've heard of some 40s
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and stuff and I know you've killed some
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really big cats in the past but I've
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always said anytime you kill a cat
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that's that's 25 pounds plus
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these cats you've killed a lot of cats
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that's a lot of animal right there when
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you're talking about a feline yeah and
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especially a bobcat because they just
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you know they're more they got more
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length to them than they than anything
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so if you got something that's got some
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girth and got a little bit of light to
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them yeah that's a pretty good sized cat
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yeah because they're all teeth balls fur
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and and mussels yeah cause I mean you
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know the rest of them there ain't
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nothing there you can you know you scan
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them things out and look at them you're
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like that's what that's what I was
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shooting at I mean they you know they're
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once you skin them out there ain't
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nothing there you could take care of one
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of their bones and hold them in the palm
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of your hand you know there ain't much
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to to these animals so you when you kill
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something it's weighing in the mid-20s
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you've killed a big cat you've killed a
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big cat and of course when you're
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talking about when you do break that 30
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pound Mark man you you've got a you've
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got a animal on your hands there
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yeah that's definitely uh you know
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you're not killing 30 pound Bobcats
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consistently you know every year it's
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just not gonna happen no that's right I
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mean they're out there and there's a
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bunch of them out there it's just you
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know oh yeah it seems like
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you know I shouldn't say every year but
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you know I'm looking hoping to kill one
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what I consider a good big cat a year
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and if it's over 25 pounds I consider
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I've killed you know a good a good
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bobcat and was lucky enough last year
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killed a 30 pounder last year and it was
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a lot of animal or a year before last I
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guess it was I think all the cats killed
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last year was you know in the upper
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teens and low and mid mid 20s but the
0:11:46.980,0:11:51.120
year before I did kill a 30 pounder and
0:11:48.660,0:11:53.820
it's a huge difference too between a a
0:11:51.120,0:11:55.920
30 pounder and even a 25 pound or five
0:11:53.820,0:11:58.680
pounds and a cat's uh is a lot of weight
0:11:55.920,0:12:01.380
big deal yeah well you've killed some
0:11:58.680,0:12:03.300
pretty cats out there in Kentucky yeah a
0:12:01.380,0:12:04.980
lot of a lot of good spots seems like a
0:12:03.300,0:12:07.380
lot of good leopard spots you know out
0:12:04.980,0:12:09.899
that way they get those nice rosettes
0:12:07.380,0:12:11.279
and all that stuff in my area of
0:12:09.899,0:12:12.779
Kentucky it's like there's nothing in
0:12:11.279,0:12:14.579
between they're either like what we call
0:12:12.779,0:12:16.560
a rabbit back cat
0:12:14.579,0:12:18.660
um you know that looks like a rabbit fur
0:12:16.560,0:12:20.279
or they're like a leopard you know
0:12:18.660,0:12:21.540
spotted up like crazy now the other
0:12:20.279,0:12:23.940
spots I've owned it seemed like they're
0:12:21.540,0:12:25.560
all just kind of drab looking in the
0:12:23.940,0:12:27.360
Midwest and stuff I should say all of
0:12:25.560,0:12:30.720
them but definitely get a little bit
0:12:27.360,0:12:32.100
more spots over here in my area of
0:12:30.720,0:12:34.320
course you know we've both hunted Texas
0:12:32.100,0:12:36.240
for cats you can get some pretty pretty
0:12:34.320,0:12:39.540
awesome looking cats down in Texas as
0:12:36.240,0:12:42.540
well a lot lots of good spots in Texas I
0:12:39.540,0:12:44.279
mean that that's probably you know
0:12:42.540,0:12:46.680
besides what you know I hunt here
0:12:44.279,0:12:48.839
locally around home uh I've hunted
0:12:46.680,0:12:51.480
Oklahoma that's really a good Bobcat
0:12:48.839,0:12:55.380
hunting a couple places that I hunt down
0:12:51.480,0:12:56.880
there but uh those South Texas cats you
0:12:55.380,0:12:58.920
know they don't have good fur on them
0:12:56.880,0:13:01.139
but they are so stinking pretty and they
0:12:58.920,0:13:03.360
always have good spots yeah yeah yeah
0:13:01.139,0:13:06.839
cool the cats are cool animals that's
0:13:03.360,0:13:08.639
for sure and you know Bobcat calling is
0:13:06.839,0:13:10.980
always a pretty hot topic you know
0:13:08.639,0:13:12.360
whenever we post pictures of a cat we
0:13:10.980,0:13:14.880
always get the question you know what
0:13:12.360,0:13:17.220
what sound did you play to call in that
0:13:14.880,0:13:20.279
Bobcat I'm sure you've got that tons of
0:13:17.220,0:13:23.339
times that you Corey oh yeah yeah and
0:13:20.279,0:13:25.740
I've got and and and don't get me wrong
0:13:23.339,0:13:27.300
I I like answering the questions so
0:13:25.740,0:13:28.980
anybody listening to us thinks that
0:13:27.300,0:13:31.500
they're bothering me you're not because
0:13:28.980,0:13:33.660
I like talking about it but uh I get a
0:13:31.500,0:13:36.540
lot of questions and got what I've
0:13:33.660,0:13:38.399
received a lot of messages in the last
0:13:36.540,0:13:40.440
week or two just from the two cats that
0:13:38.399,0:13:42.899
I have killed and right and like I said
0:13:40.440,0:13:45.000
I you know I do enjoy talking about it
0:13:42.899,0:13:47.639
so guys don't don't think I'm I'm I
0:13:45.000,0:13:49.560
don't right yeah we we love we live for
0:13:47.639,0:13:52.079
it you know it's it's what we're you
0:13:49.560,0:13:54.360
know look forward to every year uh the
0:13:52.079,0:13:57.420
thing is though that's the question we
0:13:54.360,0:13:58.920
get is what sound did you play but the
0:13:57.420,0:14:00.720
thing is there's a lot more that goes
0:13:58.920,0:14:02.779
into it than just pushing a button on
0:14:00.720,0:14:05.760
the call and you know
0:14:02.779,0:14:06.959
we've got a great list of sounds and
0:14:05.760,0:14:09.779
we're going to talk about them later on
0:14:06.959,0:14:12.300
in this podcast but but just remember
0:14:09.779,0:14:13.920
this guy's listening there's a lot more
0:14:12.300,0:14:14.959
goes into it than just hitting that
0:14:13.920,0:14:18.180
right sound
0:14:14.959,0:14:19.680
a lot of sounds are calling cats me and
0:14:18.180,0:14:21.839
Corey definitely have her favorites and
0:14:19.680,0:14:24.240
a lot of our favorites are you know we
0:14:21.839,0:14:25.680
share the same favorites uh but there's
0:14:24.240,0:14:28.459
definitely a lot that goes into it you
0:14:25.680,0:14:31.260
know they're scouting stand selection
0:14:28.459,0:14:33.480
you're you're calling technique the
0:14:31.260,0:14:34.800
sounds that you use the the pattern that
0:14:33.480,0:14:36.839
you use them in you know the sequence
0:14:34.800,0:14:38.339
that you use the volume of your call how
0:14:36.839,0:14:41.279
you work in your volumes up and down
0:14:38.339,0:14:43.680
there's a lot that goes into it and
0:14:41.279,0:14:45.060
Corey you were you know you hit you know
0:14:43.680,0:14:47.339
I wouldn't even understands with you
0:14:45.060,0:14:49.320
you've already killed two cats it sounds
0:14:47.339,0:14:50.820
like you put everything together just
0:14:49.320,0:14:53.160
right because you killed those cats very
0:14:50.820,0:14:54.839
quick within yeah what both of them
0:14:53.160,0:14:56.820
within six minutes you know you said
0:14:54.839,0:14:58.260
both stands were less than 10 10 minutes
0:14:56.820,0:15:01.620
put together right
0:14:58.260,0:15:04.560
exactly yes so you've you've put every
0:15:01.620,0:15:06.839
bit of that together to be successful
0:15:04.560,0:15:08.399
with it with with what you've done there
0:15:06.839,0:15:09.839
and probably the first thing we need to
0:15:08.399,0:15:10.980
talk about is scouting a little bit
0:15:09.839,0:15:14.699
don't you think
0:15:10.980,0:15:17.279
yeah let's do it well tell me tell me
0:15:14.699,0:15:19.740
what you do to scout for Bobcats is it
0:15:17.279,0:15:22.199
something you do just you're you know
0:15:19.740,0:15:24.240
year-round or or are you always out
0:15:22.199,0:15:25.680
looking for sign or just when you're in
0:15:24.240,0:15:27.600
the field coyote hunting deer hunting
0:15:25.680,0:15:30.420
you know what what do you do to look for
0:15:27.600,0:15:33.480
to scout for Bobcats
0:15:30.420,0:15:35.940
well I'm kind of an opportunist when it
0:15:33.480,0:15:40.380
comes to when it comes to Bobcat
0:15:35.940,0:15:42.839
scouting and and uh you know I'll I like
0:15:40.380,0:15:45.000
to take photographs so you know I do a
0:15:42.839,0:15:47.399
lot of landscape photos and stuff like
0:15:45.000,0:15:49.620
even in the off Seasons I do it in the
0:15:47.399,0:15:51.720
springtime when I'm scouting for turkeys
0:15:49.620,0:15:55.500
I do it in the summertime when I'm out
0:15:51.720,0:15:59.579
mushroom hunting but all those outings
0:15:55.500,0:16:01.860
are Bobcat scouting too uh so I do it
0:15:59.579,0:16:04.019
year round but I don't I don't do it to
0:16:01.860,0:16:05.459
the point that that's what my trip is
0:16:04.019,0:16:08.100
you know right
0:16:05.459,0:16:09.600
is about you know I have you know I have
0:16:08.100,0:16:11.519
other reasons while I'm there like I
0:16:09.600,0:16:14.820
said you know whether it's deer hunting
0:16:11.519,0:16:19.199
or or turkey hunting I'm always looking
0:16:14.820,0:16:21.480
at the ground and uh you know
0:16:19.199,0:16:25.019
a lot of people a lot of people have a
0:16:21.480,0:16:28.380
hard time differentiating you know
0:16:25.019,0:16:30.660
just cracks right and uh that's one
0:16:28.380,0:16:32.880
thing I'd you know I think you know
0:16:30.660,0:16:35.100
people need to educate themselves on
0:16:32.880,0:16:36.899
it's real easy you know you can jump on
0:16:35.100,0:16:39.720
Google and look at tracks they have real
0:16:36.899,0:16:40.800
photos of of tracks and stuff and you
0:16:39.720,0:16:42.000
know that way you know what you're
0:16:40.800,0:16:45.600
looking at when you're looking at the
0:16:42.000,0:16:49.740
ground in the same way it goes for scat
0:16:45.600,0:16:52.079
um but scat is usually more important to
0:16:49.740,0:16:53.699
me when I'm scouting than it is tracks
0:16:52.079,0:16:56.579
because it tells me
0:16:53.699,0:16:58.860
where that cats pretty well living
0:16:56.579,0:17:00.300
you know if he's if he's putting scat on
0:16:58.860,0:17:02.040
the ground right there he's probably
0:17:00.300,0:17:05.040
pretty close because he probably either
0:17:02.040,0:17:07.919
did it before he went to bed or when he
0:17:05.040,0:17:11.400
just come out of his bed right
0:17:07.919,0:17:14.040
so with scouting for me it's usually not
0:17:11.400,0:17:15.660
just I'm gonna go out and Bobcat Scout
0:17:14.040,0:17:17.819
today it's usually on Mount coyote
0:17:15.660,0:17:19.799
hunting they're taking photographs or or
0:17:17.819,0:17:23.120
I'm doing some type of outdoor activity
0:17:19.799,0:17:26.640
you're multitasking that's yours yes sir
0:17:23.120,0:17:28.740
I love being outside right right so you
0:17:26.640,0:17:30.240
might as well be Scouting For for that
0:17:28.740,0:17:32.340
type of stuff while you're out there and
0:17:30.240,0:17:34.140
you know what uh you know scouting is
0:17:32.340,0:17:36.179
such an important tool to take advantage
0:17:34.140,0:17:38.520
of you know for Bobcats you know it's
0:17:36.179,0:17:41.340
the main thing is it's pretty tough to
0:17:38.520,0:17:43.559
call up a bobcat in a place that Bobcats
0:17:41.340,0:17:45.299
don't exist you know you just can't go
0:17:43.559,0:17:46.860
anywhere in Walmart parking lot and
0:17:45.299,0:17:49.260
expect to play Mississippi Cottondale
0:17:46.860,0:17:50.760
call it Bobcat uh you've got to find
0:17:49.260,0:17:53.480
them um
0:17:50.760,0:17:56.340
you know what uh you was talking about
0:17:53.480,0:17:57.840
your your stand selection and all those
0:17:56.340,0:18:00.240
two spots especially the first one you
0:17:57.840,0:18:02.280
said you you had a Thicket that uh that
0:18:00.240,0:18:03.840
you was wanting to call uh because you
0:18:02.280,0:18:05.760
thought it might be holding a cat what
0:18:03.840,0:18:07.559
what Drew you to that spot what was it
0:18:05.760,0:18:09.299
about that spot made you want to try to
0:18:07.559,0:18:13.140
call it
0:18:09.299,0:18:16.860
uh well there was three parts of it that
0:18:13.140,0:18:19.620
Drew me to that spot and one being that
0:18:16.860,0:18:21.179
I had a Thicket right in the bottom of
0:18:19.620,0:18:24.600
of the hauler
0:18:21.179,0:18:26.640
and then the other was the position I'd
0:18:24.600,0:18:29.280
be able to be in
0:18:26.640,0:18:32.580
one while I was calling I'd be able to
0:18:29.280,0:18:34.500
see real good and the third was
0:18:32.580,0:18:37.860
I guess I should say there's four parts
0:18:34.500,0:18:39.600
to it uh the third would be was the
0:18:37.860,0:18:41.940
ridge that was behind it with a lot of
0:18:39.600,0:18:43.799
Cedar yeah and then water there was
0:18:41.940,0:18:45.419
there's a good water source right there
0:18:43.799,0:18:47.880
there's a creek that runs down through
0:18:45.419,0:18:49.740
there it's a it's a it's not just a wet
0:18:47.880,0:18:52.799
weather Creek it's a spring fed Creek
0:18:49.740,0:18:54.419
and it stays wet all the time and you
0:18:52.799,0:18:57.960
know that's something I always look for
0:18:54.419,0:19:00.299
in a Bobcat stand is a good water source
0:18:57.960,0:19:03.539
and a good Thicket
0:19:00.299,0:19:05.340
good stuff that's and that that's kind
0:19:03.539,0:19:07.500
of like what Bobcats love seem like they
0:19:05.340,0:19:09.720
love the thick stuff A lot of times
0:19:07.500,0:19:12.360
thicker the better seems like you know
0:19:09.720,0:19:15.360
here in the East uh recently logged
0:19:12.360,0:19:16.980
areas are usually hot spots you know
0:19:15.360,0:19:18.720
these yeah it's a timber that's been
0:19:16.980,0:19:20.940
logged out and they they're there's
0:19:18.720,0:19:22.380
Treetops scattered all throughout out
0:19:20.940,0:19:24.900
you know through the through the wood
0:19:22.380,0:19:28.020
lot now and and brush piles and what's
0:19:24.900,0:19:29.340
what has opened up is now grown up in
0:19:28.020,0:19:31.740
the thick Briars you know blackberry
0:19:29.340,0:19:33.480
bushes and raspberry bushes all that
0:19:31.740,0:19:35.280
stuff and it's the perfect stuff to hold
0:19:33.480,0:19:38.039
cats and and other thing not just
0:19:35.280,0:19:39.600
holding the cats it holds it holds their
0:19:38.039,0:19:41.280
prey usually that stuff is full of
0:19:39.600,0:19:44.039
songbirds full of other you know all
0:19:41.280,0:19:45.360
kinds of birds rabbits squirrels all
0:19:44.039,0:19:47.039
that type of stuff take advantage that
0:19:45.360,0:19:49.200
cover in Deer that's what a lot of
0:19:47.039,0:19:51.600
people don't realize is they do prey on
0:19:49.200,0:19:53.700
deer quite a bit uh probably a lot more
0:19:51.600,0:19:56.600
than what a lot of people realize
0:19:53.700,0:19:58.860
yeah absolutely and I actually
0:19:56.600,0:20:01.140
I don't know if you and I ever talked
0:19:58.860,0:20:03.480
about this it's been probably about five
0:20:01.140,0:20:05.460
years ago
0:20:03.480,0:20:07.740
I called in probably the biggest Bobcat
0:20:05.460,0:20:09.660
I ever seen in my life and he was there
0:20:07.740,0:20:12.419
in seconds like
0:20:09.660,0:20:15.480
I literally turned the call on
0:20:12.419,0:20:17.400
got my remote kind of back in my lap and
0:20:15.480,0:20:20.039
I looked up in this Bobcat was standing
0:20:17.400,0:20:22.080
on a log and I thought what in the world
0:20:20.039,0:20:25.799
where'd he come from right
0:20:22.080,0:20:28.380
yeah he was huge and I I was just
0:20:25.799,0:20:29.940
impressed how big he was and he knew
0:20:28.380,0:20:32.039
something wasn't right right away I mean
0:20:29.940,0:20:33.240
he just he just had that you know he had
0:20:32.039,0:20:35.760
that instinct that something wouldn't
0:20:33.240,0:20:37.440
write me he turned and and hopped off
0:20:35.760,0:20:39.900
the log but he was on and it gave me
0:20:37.440,0:20:42.600
what I thought was a clear shot
0:20:39.900,0:20:44.220
and I took the shot and I I thought I
0:20:42.600,0:20:46.679
hit the cat
0:20:44.220,0:20:48.660
uh he run off down the hill and I I
0:20:46.679,0:20:51.360
could have swore I heard him crash right
0:20:48.660,0:20:54.720
and I was pumped I'm like wow that was
0:20:51.360,0:20:57.059
that was such a big bobcat and uh so I
0:20:54.720,0:20:59.100
grabbed my gear and went off down the
0:20:57.059,0:21:01.740
hill and there's a there was a woven
0:20:59.100,0:21:03.480
wire fence there and I think the crash
0:21:01.740,0:21:05.460
was him trying to get through that Logan
0:21:03.480,0:21:06.860
wire fence you know pretty quick really
0:21:05.460,0:21:09.000
oh man
0:21:06.860,0:21:11.820
and uh
0:21:09.000,0:21:13.620
so anyhow I walked down the fence row
0:21:11.820,0:21:16.440
about another 20 yards
0:21:13.620,0:21:18.299
and there was a pile of leaves piled up
0:21:16.440,0:21:20.880
about three foot deep
0:21:18.299,0:21:22.559
on the other side of the fence and I
0:21:20.880,0:21:24.720
walked up there and I could see a deer's
0:21:22.559,0:21:28.919
face sticking out from underneath them
0:21:24.720,0:21:30.659
leaves and I was like holy holy moly
0:21:28.919,0:21:33.840
this this cat's killed him a deer right
0:21:30.659,0:21:36.120
here right and he had it covered up and
0:21:33.840,0:21:37.919
uh I went back a couple different times
0:21:36.120,0:21:40.500
that year and never could call that cat
0:21:37.919,0:21:42.299
back in but all right yeah I guess I
0:21:40.500,0:21:44.760
just slick Misty and there was some uh
0:21:42.299,0:21:48.000
there was actually there was actually
0:21:44.760,0:21:49.799
some Little Sprouts like between me and
0:21:48.000,0:21:51.840
him that I that I couldn't see in the
0:21:49.799,0:21:54.900
scalp and I guess I just just missed him
0:21:51.840,0:21:57.059
right yeah I'm sure that's a that's a
0:21:54.900,0:21:58.260
heartbreaker that's you and you just
0:21:57.059,0:22:00.539
talked about something that's pretty
0:21:58.260,0:22:03.179
cool and for people to look at look at
0:22:00.539,0:22:05.880
uh it's kind of like scouting I guess if
0:22:03.179,0:22:07.799
you're ever in Bobcat country you know
0:22:05.880,0:22:10.620
mountain lions will do this too but you
0:22:07.799,0:22:11.820
know Midwest East you know you ain't
0:22:10.620,0:22:14.760
gonna find Mountain line it's going to
0:22:11.820,0:22:17.880
be Bobcat stuff if you find a deer
0:22:14.760,0:22:21.059
turkey anything like that that's been
0:22:17.880,0:22:22.860
buried you know sticks covered up on it
0:22:21.059,0:22:25.140
leaves you know just see something
0:22:22.860,0:22:27.720
sticking out that's a bobcat's done that
0:22:25.140,0:22:29.640
and it's going to be racing you know so
0:22:27.720,0:22:31.559
you know you've got a bobcat in area
0:22:29.640,0:22:34.080
when you find that and I've actually
0:22:31.559,0:22:36.419
found that before Corey it's been a
0:22:34.080,0:22:38.700
while since I've done this but I have
0:22:36.419,0:22:39.419
actually found stuff like that in the
0:22:38.700,0:22:42.539
past
0:22:39.419,0:22:45.000
and went in immediately and called those
0:22:42.539,0:22:46.980
areas and still caught up a cat and
0:22:45.000,0:22:49.280
killed them you know they had a fresh
0:22:46.980,0:22:51.659
Keel there or maybe a keel that they
0:22:49.280,0:22:53.640
buried and been eating on for the last
0:22:51.659,0:22:56.280
two days and you think they'd be full
0:22:53.640,0:22:58.260
and they could have been full but you
0:22:56.280,0:23:00.659
can still call those cats in you know
0:22:58.260,0:23:02.400
they might get to pray and bury it and
0:23:00.659,0:23:03.620
eat it a few days later but they're
0:23:02.400,0:23:05.640
they're pretty
0:23:03.620,0:23:07.140
opportunistic and they're going to take
0:23:05.640,0:23:09.720
advantage of that
0:23:07.140,0:23:11.460
I agree and they when and I think a lot
0:23:09.720,0:23:14.400
of it's Instinct you know it's just
0:23:11.460,0:23:16.919
instantly yep
0:23:14.400,0:23:19.740
well you know the thing is you know a
0:23:16.919,0:23:21.659
lot of us are whitetail deer hunters and
0:23:19.740,0:23:23.940
us that are deer hunters you know the
0:23:21.659,0:23:25.500
importance of scouting for deer well
0:23:23.940,0:23:27.659
it's no different for Bobcats you know
0:23:25.500,0:23:29.220
usually the more you Scout the more
0:23:27.659,0:23:31.440
successful you are during deer season
0:23:29.220,0:23:34.260
it's no different from Bobcat so I
0:23:31.440,0:23:37.559
really I really you know urge you guys
0:23:34.260,0:23:40.260
to acknowledge that The Scouting aspect
0:23:37.559,0:23:41.700
of this can be very important you know
0:23:40.260,0:23:43.500
and sometimes it gets to the point like
0:23:41.700,0:23:45.120
if you're in a really good Bobcat areas
0:23:43.500,0:23:46.980
you know a lot of times you'd just be
0:23:45.120,0:23:48.600
driving down the road and it comes
0:23:46.980,0:23:51.000
second nature to you just look over and
0:23:48.600,0:23:52.320
you see a Thicket or a draw or Plum
0:23:51.000,0:23:54.059
thicken or whatever and you're just like
0:23:52.320,0:23:55.380
man I bet that's holding a bobcat you
0:23:54.059,0:23:57.059
get permission of course you want to
0:23:55.380,0:23:59.159
call it you kill a cat right I'm sure
0:23:57.059,0:24:02.340
you've done that several times Corey but
0:23:59.159,0:24:05.760
uh definitely definitely take the time
0:24:02.340,0:24:07.559
to learn what holds Bobcats and do a
0:24:05.760,0:24:10.740
little scouting it will pay off like I
0:24:07.559,0:24:13.980
was talking about earlier logged areas
0:24:10.740,0:24:16.799
you know Brushy Creek brought on Stick
0:24:13.980,0:24:18.419
Creek bottoms thick drainages even
0:24:16.799,0:24:21.419
growing up Fields you know these big
0:24:18.419,0:24:23.580
Prairie type fields that have went back
0:24:21.419,0:24:26.100
to the wild so to speak they can hold
0:24:23.580,0:24:27.659
Bobcats as well usually just a thicker a
0:24:26.100,0:24:29.880
place is the better usually they're
0:24:27.659,0:24:32.360
holding Bobcats getting there and get to
0:24:29.880,0:24:32.360
scouting them
0:24:33.240,0:24:38.039
yeah go ahead Cory so I was just gonna
0:24:36.600,0:24:40.320
say you know
0:24:38.039,0:24:41.299
that I own a lot of different types of
0:24:40.320,0:24:45.120
terrain
0:24:41.299,0:24:47.280
and the Bobcat calling it's there's a
0:24:45.120,0:24:49.320
lot of similarities similarities to it
0:24:47.280,0:24:52.380
in the three different states that I'm
0:24:49.320,0:24:55.740
talking about Missouri Oklahoma while in
0:24:52.380,0:24:57.960
Texas but uh North Missouri it's kind of
0:24:55.740,0:25:01.200
I would call it more
0:24:57.960,0:25:02.580
the type of terrain is like Oklahoma
0:25:01.200,0:25:06.179
um you know it's a little bit more open
0:25:02.580,0:25:09.120
but you talking about you know a lot of
0:25:06.179,0:25:10.320
these properties you know going back to
0:25:09.120,0:25:12.539
Wild
0:25:10.320,0:25:14.820
you know there's a lot of these Open
0:25:12.539,0:25:16.260
Country Places that you know have like
0:25:14.820,0:25:18.840
these CRP
0:25:16.260,0:25:21.600
fields that they let go back and and
0:25:18.840,0:25:23.460
they're on a CRP program those are
0:25:21.600,0:25:25.679
really really good places
0:25:23.460,0:25:29.340
you know to set up for Bobcats because
0:25:25.679,0:25:31.320
the grass in them CRP fields and they'll
0:25:29.340,0:25:34.020
a lot of times they'll grow locust trees
0:25:31.320,0:25:36.539
back uh may start getting real Brushy
0:25:34.020,0:25:38.760
pretty you know over pretty quick over
0:25:36.539,0:25:41.400
time but I mean it's it doesn't take
0:25:38.760,0:25:43.440
long within a few years you get a some
0:25:41.400,0:25:45.539
good tall grass like that then Bobcats
0:25:43.440,0:25:47.100
really like that and they're they hide
0:25:45.539,0:25:49.559
in it they like to catch a lot of game
0:25:47.100,0:25:51.659
birds like that right all right you know
0:25:49.559,0:25:52.799
it it's it's a good spot for them to
0:25:51.659,0:25:55.020
live and like we was talking about
0:25:52.799,0:25:56.940
earlier it holds all their prey you know
0:25:55.020,0:25:59.400
everything's attracted to that stuff so
0:25:56.940,0:26:02.340
yeah I just wanted to mention that too
0:25:59.400,0:26:04.440
you know any guys that you know don't
0:26:02.340,0:26:07.260
have the opportunity to hunt stuff like
0:26:04.440,0:26:08.220
John and I huh you know with these
0:26:07.260,0:26:10.919
growed up
0:26:08.220,0:26:13.140
Briar bottoms and stuff in these collars
0:26:10.919,0:26:15.539
and whatnot like that that open country
0:26:13.140,0:26:18.360
you know you can kill Bobcats there too
0:26:15.539,0:26:19.919
you just you know you you need to get
0:26:18.360,0:26:22.140
close to that cover
0:26:19.919,0:26:24.299
you know before you just say oh it's
0:26:22.140,0:26:26.760
just too open yeah give it a try get
0:26:24.299,0:26:29.580
close to it and you know that's another
0:26:26.760,0:26:31.380
thing anytime you know if if you're out
0:26:29.580,0:26:33.179
calling and especially in the fall and
0:26:31.380,0:26:35.940
winter and you're using prey to stress
0:26:33.179,0:26:39.240
sound you always have the chance of
0:26:35.940,0:26:40.740
calling up a cat you know any given time
0:26:39.240,0:26:43.679
even on those spots you know I've been
0:26:40.740,0:26:45.360
on many stands or a bobcat was the last
0:26:43.679,0:26:47.400
thing that was on my mind you know maybe
0:26:45.360,0:26:50.760
hunting this big wide open Prairie
0:26:47.400,0:26:52.799
country in Kansas or even slick pasture
0:26:50.760,0:26:55.320
fields or hay fields in Kentucky that
0:26:52.799,0:26:56.940
are bigger fields and you know like I
0:26:55.320,0:26:58.500
said last thing on your mind and
0:26:56.940,0:27:00.059
sometimes you just have dumb luck with
0:26:58.500,0:27:01.799
them which I like that too I like
0:27:00.059,0:27:04.620
getting lucky oh yeah you know you start
0:27:01.799,0:27:06.539
playing and you know you you've had for
0:27:04.620,0:27:09.779
coyotes and done all this crazy stuff
0:27:06.539,0:27:11.700
and go to go to cagey Cottontail or baby
0:27:09.779,0:27:13.440
Cottontail or whatever and still
0:27:11.700,0:27:15.659
thinking hoping to drag out a coyote and
0:27:13.440,0:27:19.200
you look up and there's a dag on Bobcat
0:27:15.659,0:27:21.659
where it came from I have no idea but
0:27:19.200,0:27:24.419
you do have the chance of calling up a
0:27:21.659,0:27:25.980
bobcat at any given time it's just how
0:27:24.419,0:27:27.419
it works out and like I said we always
0:27:25.980,0:27:29.580
take advantage of them too if it's
0:27:27.419,0:27:32.159
Bobcat season but those are those a
0:27:29.580,0:27:33.840
little special you know those gimmies I
0:27:32.159,0:27:37.200
guess you'd have to work as hard for
0:27:33.840,0:27:39.539
them but it's always a treat that's for
0:27:37.200,0:27:41.520
sure but Corey all right we've done our
0:27:39.539,0:27:42.299
scouting we know we've got Bob cast to
0:27:41.520,0:27:44.400
hunt
0:27:42.299,0:27:46.679
next thing on the list that's that's
0:27:44.400,0:27:50.100
extremely important and it's very
0:27:46.679,0:27:52.380
crucial is stand selection how you set
0:27:50.100,0:27:54.120
up and all that type of stuff can you
0:27:52.380,0:27:56.700
kind of walk us through that say you got
0:27:54.120,0:27:59.279
a Thicket out there that you know a
0:27:56.700,0:28:02.760
bobcats in what's the next step
0:27:59.279,0:28:04.500
well my next step is is
0:28:02.760,0:28:07.140
you know I probably want to go look at
0:28:04.500,0:28:09.720
that same location uh thank you a lot of
0:28:07.140,0:28:12.059
guys and it's very helpful tool you know
0:28:09.720,0:28:13.820
we all got probably Onyx or something
0:28:12.059,0:28:16.440
like it on our phone
0:28:13.820,0:28:18.179
and we don't want to go by the Bible on
0:28:16.440,0:28:21.000
that I know I don't because things
0:28:18.179,0:28:23.100
change things change you know you may
0:28:21.000,0:28:25.500
not have been in that place for the last
0:28:23.100,0:28:27.779
couple years well landowner might have
0:28:25.500,0:28:29.220
come in and cleared some stuff off or or
0:28:27.779,0:28:31.620
built a new fence and you don't know
0:28:29.220,0:28:33.659
nothing about it so I always try to
0:28:31.620,0:28:35.580
I always try to go to those stands
0:28:33.659,0:28:37.679
before I even make them like it's
0:28:35.580,0:28:39.539
already in my mind if the wind direction
0:28:37.679,0:28:42.179
isn't right
0:28:39.539,0:28:44.640
for a stand location I might drive by it
0:28:42.179,0:28:47.460
and just see what it looks like and that
0:28:44.640,0:28:49.799
way I know the next time the wind
0:28:47.460,0:28:51.600
blows for the right direction to be
0:28:49.799,0:28:55.799
there then I know how I'm going to set
0:28:51.600,0:28:58.080
up so that's first on my list is knowing
0:28:55.799,0:29:00.659
what I'm hunting
0:28:58.080,0:29:03.000
so
0:29:00.659,0:29:05.460
in that fan
0:29:03.000,0:29:07.799
you know you can't always be elevated
0:29:05.460,0:29:11.760
but in that fan I'm going to look for
0:29:07.799,0:29:16.080
some elevation uh and also in that stand
0:29:11.760,0:29:18.659
I'm going to look for uh that Thicket
0:29:16.080,0:29:21.419
how how that Thicket lays hopefully
0:29:18.659,0:29:23.880
there's some water around it uh and then
0:29:21.419,0:29:27.059
I'm gonna look how I'm gonna set up like
0:29:23.880,0:29:30.000
a do I have cover there to set up on uh
0:29:27.059,0:29:32.279
a good backdrop behind me where I can I
0:29:30.000,0:29:34.260
can be you know
0:29:32.279,0:29:37.140
sit in a good location where I can still
0:29:34.260,0:29:39.419
see the shoe right all right
0:29:37.140,0:29:41.580
and then like I said
0:29:39.419,0:29:44.940
where I'm going to put my call at that's
0:29:41.580,0:29:47.340
very important too uh because some of
0:29:44.940,0:29:49.799
these tighter spots that I like to get
0:29:47.340,0:29:51.659
in you know I like to give the cat
0:29:49.799,0:29:54.059
enough room so I can make a good shot
0:29:51.659,0:29:56.640
but I want a crowded enough
0:29:54.059,0:29:58.140
to where the cat's gonna be able to hear
0:29:56.640,0:30:00.080
me and he doesn't have to come from the
0:29:58.140,0:30:02.279
long direction right right
0:30:00.080,0:30:04.020
yeah because they're they're usually not
0:30:02.279,0:30:05.399
going to cover you know a tremendous
0:30:04.020,0:30:07.679
amount of open ground you know I'm I'm
0:30:05.399,0:30:09.240
right there with you we're very similar
0:30:07.679,0:30:12.120
on now we like to set up you know
0:30:09.240,0:30:13.679
usually if I got a cat you know I like
0:30:12.120,0:30:15.960
to try to sit up and say like a small
0:30:13.679,0:30:18.000
field or small opening it's adjacent to
0:30:15.960,0:30:20.100
where I think that cat is at you know
0:30:18.000,0:30:24.299
where I think I've got one whole held up
0:30:20.100,0:30:26.700
uh if possible I'll sit you know sit set
0:30:24.299,0:30:28.679
up 50 to 75 yards away from the cover
0:30:26.700,0:30:30.720
you know pretty tight like you were
0:30:28.679,0:30:31.679
talking about and get my fox Pro placed
0:30:30.720,0:30:33.179
out there about half the distance
0:30:31.679,0:30:35.640
between me and the cover sometimes
0:30:33.179,0:30:37.380
that's just 20 25 yards because you know
0:30:35.640,0:30:39.720
I might be just 50 yards from where I
0:30:37.380,0:30:41.159
think that cat's at and like was talking
0:30:39.720,0:30:43.320
about you know they're they're just not
0:30:41.159,0:30:45.059
likely to cover a tremendous amount of
0:30:43.320,0:30:46.260
open ground even though they will he was
0:30:45.059,0:30:48.059
just talking about earlier how sometimes
0:30:46.260,0:30:49.799
you can get them out in these big wide
0:30:48.059,0:30:52.559
prairies and stuff like that but that's
0:30:49.799,0:30:55.140
not usually the case so yeah definitely
0:30:52.559,0:30:56.720
like to set up pretty tied on that cover
0:30:55.140,0:30:59.159
for sure
0:30:56.720,0:31:01.620
because you know you got the thing is
0:30:59.159,0:31:05.700
you've got a you really need to set up
0:31:01.620,0:31:08.520
as close as you can where that Bobcat
0:31:05.700,0:31:10.620
feels comfortable coming to the call but
0:31:08.520,0:31:13.380
you also got to be leery of getting too
0:31:10.620,0:31:15.299
close and bumping a cat or a coyote it's
0:31:13.380,0:31:17.700
in there anything like that
0:31:15.299,0:31:19.320
well you know and you got coyotes
0:31:17.700,0:31:20.820
they're they're not going to come in
0:31:19.320,0:31:23.940
like a cat usually they're a little
0:31:20.820,0:31:25.260
faster moving and uh that's what I
0:31:23.940,0:31:27.600
always try to give myself at least
0:31:25.260,0:31:29.820
enough room where I could swing on a
0:31:27.600,0:31:32.880
coyote if I have to not so much a bobcat
0:31:29.820,0:31:35.399
but uh so I there's a kind of a fine
0:31:32.880,0:31:37.380
line there where you you know how you're
0:31:35.399,0:31:41.039
going to crowd it so it's just something
0:31:37.380,0:31:43.320
to be wise of uh something that some
0:31:41.039,0:31:45.720
guys may have to work on
0:31:43.320,0:31:47.880
um but just know that just like John
0:31:45.720,0:31:48.899
said you know get in there tight enough
0:31:47.880,0:31:51.419
where
0:31:48.899,0:31:53.039
they they feel comfortable but don't get
0:31:51.419,0:31:55.860
in too tight where you can't make a good
0:31:53.039,0:31:57.779
shot exactly exactly
0:31:55.860,0:31:59.580
um now you mentioned it just there a
0:31:57.779,0:32:01.679
minute ago
0:31:59.580,0:32:04.260
um let's talk about wind direction you
0:32:01.679,0:32:07.260
know you we've got a lot of different
0:32:04.260,0:32:08.940
you'll see a lot of different opinions
0:32:07.260,0:32:11.039
on wind direction when it comes to
0:32:08.940,0:32:12.539
Bobcat calling
0:32:11.039,0:32:14.940
um I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you
0:32:12.539,0:32:18.419
straight up what mine is Corey itself
0:32:14.940,0:32:20.820
always always always always hunt the
0:32:18.419,0:32:21.960
wind no matter what I'll let you take it
0:32:20.820,0:32:25.740
from there
0:32:21.960,0:32:27.840
well you know years ago you and I had
0:32:25.740,0:32:29.940
that conversation and I
0:32:27.840,0:32:32.820
I'll be honest I didn't I really wasn't
0:32:29.940,0:32:34.980
too worried about a bobcat's nose uh I'd
0:32:32.820,0:32:36.899
had a bobcat that I thought maybe that
0:32:34.980,0:32:39.240
might have winded me but I've had a lot
0:32:36.899,0:32:41.700
of bobcats that just come up and stick
0:32:39.240,0:32:43.200
his nose right in the call uh but
0:32:41.700,0:32:45.720
coyotes do that stuff too you know
0:32:43.200,0:32:47.460
they'll they'll uh they'll teach us
0:32:45.720,0:32:49.500
things every once in a while that we
0:32:47.460,0:32:51.840
swear by the Bible they won't do
0:32:49.500,0:32:53.940
and uh but
0:32:51.840,0:32:58.020
you you kind of turned me on that years
0:32:53.940,0:33:00.480
ago Bob Bobcats do use win they're not
0:32:58.020,0:33:02.700
going to use it like a coyote uses it
0:33:00.480,0:33:05.279
they're not going to circle downwind
0:33:02.700,0:33:08.340
to use his nose but uh
0:33:05.279,0:33:11.940
if it if the opportunity comes that they
0:33:08.340,0:33:12.840
are downwind from that call or you as
0:33:11.940,0:33:14.820
the Hunter
0:33:12.840,0:33:17.820
you're probably going to get winded by
0:33:14.820,0:33:20.279
that cat right right and another big
0:33:17.820,0:33:22.260
thing about it is if you go set up on
0:33:20.279,0:33:24.720
this ticket and say your wind's blowing
0:33:22.260,0:33:26.880
from you right down into that Thicket
0:33:24.720,0:33:29.039
and there was a coyote in there well
0:33:26.880,0:33:31.679
guess what you've boogered that coyote
0:33:29.039,0:33:33.059
you ain't gonna call him up and uh no I
0:33:31.679,0:33:36.840
mean you both you know we love her
0:33:33.059,0:33:38.760
coyotes as well so you know if any time
0:33:36.840,0:33:41.340
any type of place it is good for a
0:33:38.760,0:33:44.279
Bobcat his life will be holding holding
0:33:41.340,0:33:45.840
coyotes as well uh so always hunt the
0:33:44.279,0:33:47.580
wind don't go in there and just hunt and
0:33:45.840,0:33:49.019
say well yeah I just want to kill a I'm
0:33:47.580,0:33:50.279
just after Bobcats anyway because I
0:33:49.019,0:33:52.500
guarantee you every one of you want to
0:33:50.279,0:33:55.799
kill a coyote as well so hunt that wind
0:33:52.500,0:33:57.360
because it could uh you know there's no
0:33:55.799,0:33:58.980
sense of boogering up a coyote because
0:33:57.360,0:34:01.320
you just blatantly went in there with
0:33:58.980,0:34:02.760
the wrong wind and got the calling and
0:34:01.320,0:34:04.679
the first thing he does is throws his
0:34:02.760,0:34:05.700
nose up in there and gets a big nose
0:34:04.679,0:34:08.639
full of
0:34:05.700,0:34:12.419
Collins or Corey Groff and he's going to
0:34:08.639,0:34:13.679
come is he no he sure ain't and you
0:34:12.419,0:34:15.659
probably won't get him to kill the rest
0:34:13.679,0:34:17.580
of the season yeah yeah you have to wait
0:34:15.659,0:34:20.159
until dinner season where he resets it's
0:34:17.580,0:34:21.419
crazy and try to get him killed in but
0:34:20.159,0:34:22.919
you better not be running no rabbit
0:34:21.419,0:34:24.359
sound either
0:34:22.919,0:34:26.580
no
0:34:24.359,0:34:29.460
you know and you were talking about the
0:34:26.580,0:34:30.300
circling thing and that's the deal kind
0:34:29.460,0:34:32.339
of what
0:34:30.300,0:34:34.740
Corey was getting at I've actually seen
0:34:32.339,0:34:38.040
Bobcats use their nose
0:34:34.740,0:34:40.919
um I've seen Bobcats circle to the
0:34:38.040,0:34:44.040
downwind side of the fox Pro on a couple
0:34:40.919,0:34:45.240
different occasions there was uh uh just
0:34:44.040,0:34:47.159
a few years ago it was actually before
0:34:45.240,0:34:48.960
Bobcat season was in here in Kentucky
0:34:47.159,0:34:50.520
was in October just right when we
0:34:48.960,0:34:53.700
started using our prey distress sounds
0:34:50.520,0:34:55.919
pretty heavy I let out some howls uh
0:34:53.700,0:34:58.440
went into I think it was Mrs MC
0:34:55.919,0:35:00.300
Cottontail and sure enough Here Comes
0:34:58.440,0:35:02.400
something busting out of the thicket is
0:35:00.300,0:35:04.380
actually a grown-up intro and I was
0:35:02.400,0:35:06.480
filming I told Cameron guys here comes a
0:35:04.380,0:35:08.820
coyote what no coyote there's a great
0:35:06.480,0:35:10.980
big old Tom Bobcat I mean a big you know
0:35:08.820,0:35:12.839
one of those 30 Pounders and guess what
0:35:10.980,0:35:14.460
it's one of these things we couldn't do
0:35:12.839,0:35:16.500
nothing about besides watch it you know
0:35:14.460,0:35:18.540
sit back and enjoy the show
0:35:16.500,0:35:20.579
that cat we had a right to left
0:35:18.540,0:35:24.300
crosswind just perfect right to left
0:35:20.579,0:35:26.520
crosswind that cat came all the way to
0:35:24.300,0:35:30.420
the call was loping in until he got to
0:35:26.520,0:35:32.220
about 25 30 yards away from it he slowed
0:35:30.420,0:35:35.160
down to a trot and then went to a walk
0:35:32.220,0:35:37.200
but quit coming straight to the call he
0:35:35.160,0:35:39.660
actually circled out to what he was
0:35:37.200,0:35:42.780
right hour left to get downwind of that
0:35:39.660,0:35:44.760
call once he got perfectly downwind he'd
0:35:42.780,0:35:47.160
come straight into it now I know he
0:35:44.760,0:35:50.040
could smell it and could tell it wasn't
0:35:47.160,0:35:51.540
no rabbit and maybe smelt uh son and I
0:35:50.040,0:35:53.700
know but it didn't really spook him but
0:35:51.540,0:35:55.440
he used his nose he went why else would
0:35:53.700,0:35:57.599
he circle around like that on the down
0:35:55.440,0:35:59.880
one side right and he could actually
0:35:57.599,0:36:01.680
walked right up there got within about
0:35:59.880,0:36:03.480
two foot of the call and stretched out
0:36:01.680,0:36:05.640
real far and put his nose right up to it
0:36:03.480,0:36:08.339
was actually around a cs24c at the time
0:36:05.640,0:36:10.859
but he touched his nose to it turned
0:36:08.339,0:36:12.240
around and walked right back off and he
0:36:10.859,0:36:13.859
got about halfway across the field and
0:36:12.240,0:36:16.020
then took off running but what that
0:36:13.859,0:36:17.579
tells me I watched that cat circle to
0:36:16.020,0:36:20.220
the downwind side he didn't start
0:36:17.579,0:36:23.280
circling 100 yards out it was only 25 or
0:36:20.220,0:36:24.900
30 but he did use his nose and there's
0:36:23.280,0:36:28.140
also been
0:36:24.900,0:36:31.140
uh one occasion it sticks out my mind or
0:36:28.140,0:36:34.320
we had a cat that that just by accident
0:36:31.140,0:36:37.500
come into our scent cone sucker got
0:36:34.320,0:36:40.740
nervous and ran off without the
0:36:37.500,0:36:44.400
opportunity to ever fire a shot and man
0:36:40.740,0:36:46.500
I tell you what that absolutely crushes
0:36:44.400,0:36:48.900
your soul and it happens everything was
0:36:46.500,0:36:51.359
perfect except for the wind and the wind
0:36:48.900,0:36:52.520
cost me a bobcat I know it did for a
0:36:51.359,0:36:55.500
fact yeah
0:36:52.520,0:36:58.980
well you've seen a lot of it and so I
0:36:55.500,0:37:00.900
know you know you know it it and that's
0:36:58.980,0:37:03.000
very interesting how that cat that first
0:37:00.900,0:37:05.820
cat you were talking about you know how
0:37:03.000,0:37:09.000
he reacted to that and uh I personally
0:37:05.820,0:37:10.859
have never witnessed that and you know
0:37:09.000,0:37:12.540
that's that's very interesting I would
0:37:10.859,0:37:14.220
love I'd love to see something like that
0:37:12.540,0:37:16.619
for sure well you know it's one of those
0:37:14.220,0:37:18.240
things that that if we were if Bobcat
0:37:16.619,0:37:20.220
was in season
0:37:18.240,0:37:21.780
you know when he started to flare to
0:37:20.220,0:37:23.640
that one side like he did we'd have
0:37:21.780,0:37:25.859
probably got nervous and shot him so
0:37:23.640,0:37:28.320
right what kind of one I'm getting at is
0:37:25.859,0:37:29.880
us as Hunters if that cat was in season
0:37:28.320,0:37:31.619
we never would have got to witness that
0:37:29.880,0:37:33.240
because we'd have shot him too early but
0:37:31.619,0:37:34.680
where it was out of season all we could
0:37:33.240,0:37:36.839
do was just sit there and watch him just
0:37:34.680,0:37:38.280
let him be a cat and you know just like
0:37:36.839,0:37:40.380
I was talking about earlier enjoy the
0:37:38.280,0:37:42.119
show we learned something you know we
0:37:40.380,0:37:45.300
got to see that cat react to the call
0:37:42.119,0:37:47.160
from start to finish and and ask her to
0:37:45.300,0:37:49.260
move out and the cool thing was when he
0:37:47.160,0:37:50.640
did leave out he didn't Blaze out there
0:37:49.260,0:37:53.400
I mean we could have shot him a hundred
0:37:50.640,0:37:55.920
times but uh like I said season wasn't
0:37:53.400,0:37:57.300
in it was about a month about four weeks
0:37:55.920,0:37:59.820
too early so we just had to let him go
0:37:57.300,0:38:01.859
he's a big can do and the crazy thing is
0:37:59.820,0:38:03.240
I went back in there probably three
0:38:01.859,0:38:06.800
different occasions trying to call that
0:38:03.240,0:38:09.060
cat up that winter I never saw him
0:38:06.800,0:38:11.520
there were many times
0:38:09.060,0:38:13.980
they like to move around a little bit so
0:38:11.520,0:38:15.780
it's it's hard to catch them there in
0:38:13.980,0:38:18.119
the right on the right day sometimes
0:38:15.780,0:38:19.260
right right well you know kind of what
0:38:18.119,0:38:21.839
we're getting at here when we're talking
0:38:19.260,0:38:23.339
about wind for Bobcat stands actually it
0:38:21.839,0:38:26.160
doesn't matter if I'm calling for
0:38:23.339,0:38:28.079
Bobcats coyotes fox whatever
0:38:26.160,0:38:30.060
I'm always going to hunt the wind it's
0:38:28.079,0:38:31.380
just it's just a good good habit to be
0:38:30.060,0:38:33.599
in for sure
0:38:31.380,0:38:35.760
absolutely
0:38:33.599,0:38:38.339
well you got anything else you'd like to
0:38:35.760,0:38:40.020
say about Stan selection Corey
0:38:38.339,0:38:40.920
are you ready to move on to the good
0:38:40.020,0:38:43.619
stuff
0:38:40.920,0:38:44.760
let's move on to the good stuff yeah
0:38:43.619,0:38:47.339
this is why everybody's sitting here
0:38:44.760,0:38:49.859
thinking like yeah yeah I know scam for
0:38:47.339,0:38:51.619
cats yeah I know where they're at I know
0:38:49.859,0:38:53.460
how to set up I don't tell me what sound
0:38:51.619,0:38:54.839
I know y'all want to know about our
0:38:53.460,0:38:55.980
sounds and sequences so that's what
0:38:54.839,0:38:58.320
we're going to talk about we definitely
0:38:55.980,0:39:01.619
got our favorites that we like to use on
0:38:58.320,0:39:03.359
Bobcats stands I'm personally a big fan
0:39:01.619,0:39:05.460
of Cottontail distress sounds I'm pretty
0:39:03.359,0:39:09.119
sure you are too Corey
0:39:05.460,0:39:11.460
um I am that being said I have called in
0:39:09.119,0:39:14.240
cats on several other sounds of
0:39:11.460,0:39:16.680
Jackrabbit sounds Snowshoe hair sounds
0:39:14.240,0:39:17.579
various bird sounds
0:39:16.680,0:39:20.460
um
0:39:17.579,0:39:22.740
you know I've probably called in Bobcats
0:39:20.460,0:39:26.400
on over well over a dozen different
0:39:22.740,0:39:28.260
Foxpro sound files I'd say but uh let's
0:39:26.400,0:39:30.180
let's talk about uh let's talk about
0:39:28.260,0:39:33.300
your favorite sounds what's what's your
0:39:30.180,0:39:36.180
top favorite sounds for for Bobcats
0:39:33.300,0:39:37.800
uh let me let's say I'm gonna say I
0:39:36.180,0:39:39.000
probably got about four or five that I
0:39:37.800,0:39:42.480
use
0:39:39.000,0:39:44.880
you know very regularly if I don't if I
0:39:42.480,0:39:46.380
don't call on Bobcat in today on two of
0:39:44.880,0:39:47.460
my top sounds I might switch it up
0:39:46.380,0:39:50.880
tomorrow
0:39:47.460,0:39:52.859
on two of my other top sounds but my
0:39:50.880,0:39:55.500
all-time favorite
0:39:52.859,0:39:58.079
right now is Mrs Nick Cottontail that is
0:39:55.500,0:40:01.619
mine that I all-time favorite right now
0:39:58.079,0:40:03.540
it's worked really well I really like
0:40:01.619,0:40:06.540
I really like the Rhythm in it I like
0:40:03.540,0:40:08.280
how it goes high and low it's got some
0:40:06.540,0:40:11.359
raspy in it and it's got a lot of high
0:40:08.280,0:40:14.460
pitch got a little short pauses in it
0:40:11.359,0:40:17.280
yes yes it's just a really good sound
0:40:14.460,0:40:20.820
and it's a really good sound to
0:40:17.280,0:40:22.920
use your volume with it it just you know
0:40:20.820,0:40:26.400
it just it has that just certain Rhythm
0:40:22.920,0:40:29.040
where you can use that remote to bump
0:40:26.400,0:40:31.680
the sound up with the Rhythm and kind of
0:40:29.040,0:40:34.980
come back down you know with your volume
0:40:31.680,0:40:36.660
with the Rhythm so it it works very well
0:40:34.980,0:40:40.020
for that
0:40:36.660,0:40:41.540
um my next one would be kg Cottontail kg
0:40:40.020,0:40:44.359
Cottontail has
0:40:41.540,0:40:47.400
killed probably just as many
0:40:44.359,0:40:51.180
Bobcats for me
0:40:47.400,0:40:53.930
as Mrs Nick Cottontail uh so I use those
0:40:51.180,0:40:55.320
two sounds simultaneously and
0:40:53.930,0:40:58.740
[Music]
0:40:55.320,0:41:00.839
I probably could move kg Cottontail to
0:40:58.740,0:41:03.660
the top of my list if I played it
0:41:00.839,0:41:05.940
usually first I don't know why I I just
0:41:03.660,0:41:06.980
like playing Mrs misses the Cottontail
0:41:05.940,0:41:11.540
first
0:41:06.980,0:41:15.380
so those are my top two uh I really like
0:41:11.540,0:41:18.359
baby Cottontail the
0:41:15.380,0:41:22.140
b-a-y-b-e-e cocktail that's a b
0:41:18.359,0:41:24.900
Cottondale yes sir that is that is
0:41:22.140,0:41:26.099
definitely on my top five
0:41:24.900,0:41:29.880
um
0:41:26.099,0:41:33.300
and I really like there there's just so
0:41:29.880,0:41:36.720
many good ones uh I really like the uh
0:41:33.300,0:41:39.240
social HP that's another good one yeah
0:41:36.720,0:41:42.540
you know that I that I put in that top
0:41:39.240,0:41:44.700
five and also Eastern cottontails so
0:41:42.540,0:41:47.040
those would be my top fives yeah yeah
0:41:44.700,0:41:51.060
we're pretty similar I'll tell you my
0:41:47.040,0:41:53.400
top five or in in no order here uh baby
0:41:51.060,0:41:55.920
Cottontail which you mentioned cagey
0:41:53.400,0:41:58.440
Cottontail which you mentioned Mrs MC
0:41:55.920,0:42:01.280
Cottontail which you mentioned
0:41:58.440,0:42:03.780
um Snowshoe hair HP
0:42:01.280,0:42:05.460
Snowshoe hair too
0:42:03.780,0:42:07.859
that's a good one that's a really good
0:42:05.460,0:42:09.900
one and then then two others that a lot
0:42:07.859,0:42:11.700
of people really don't think about and I
0:42:09.900,0:42:12.540
want to throw uh eastern cottontail in
0:42:11.700,0:42:14.520
there
0:42:12.540,0:42:16.380
um I think I said something new about
0:42:14.520,0:42:17.760
Eastern cocktail what four five six
0:42:16.380,0:42:19.380
years ago or something you know I
0:42:17.760,0:42:21.780
mentioned man I've gotten all kinds of
0:42:19.380,0:42:24.720
an eastern cottontail uh it's it's
0:42:21.780,0:42:26.579
always been a really good solid cat uh
0:42:24.720,0:42:29.880
sound for me actually the two Kentucky
0:42:26.579,0:42:31.079
cats that I killed last season both I
0:42:29.880,0:42:32.760
think one of them actually came to
0:42:31.079,0:42:35.339
Lightning Jack and one of them come to
0:42:32.760,0:42:36.960
uh eastern cottontail uh but that's
0:42:35.339,0:42:38.880
another one Lightning Jack and
0:42:36.960,0:42:40.680
Jackrabbit distress are pretty good
0:42:38.880,0:42:43.560
honorable mentions a lot of people don't
0:42:40.680,0:42:45.900
think of those for for uh Bobcats but
0:42:43.560,0:42:48.900
they're really good sounds
0:42:45.900,0:42:50.940
um I I usually like save Lightning Jack
0:42:48.900,0:42:53.040
like when I do play it in a sequence I'm
0:42:50.940,0:42:55.560
usually putting it towards the back just
0:42:53.040,0:42:57.000
to to create that urgency you know or
0:42:55.560,0:43:00.060
whatever because it's loud and
0:42:57.000,0:43:02.400
fast-paced and you got a lot of you know
0:43:00.060,0:43:04.579
depth to it it's going up and down and
0:43:02.400,0:43:06.839
all that type of stuff and then those
0:43:04.579,0:43:09.119
Jackrabbit the stress is the same way
0:43:06.839,0:43:11.400
it's it gets without having to work your
0:43:09.119,0:43:13.380
volume you know that sound gets loud and
0:43:11.400,0:43:16.619
gets quiet gets like and I think that
0:43:13.380,0:43:18.119
stuff really pays off for cats seems
0:43:16.619,0:43:20.520
like
0:43:18.119,0:43:23.819
they're very busy sounds you know it
0:43:20.520,0:43:25.560
keeps it keeps attention and that and
0:43:23.819,0:43:27.060
that's probably the the best way to
0:43:25.560,0:43:30.240
describe it I've always tried to tell
0:43:27.060,0:43:33.180
people that any of your favorite rabbit
0:43:30.240,0:43:35.760
style sounds that are very busy it's got
0:43:33.180,0:43:37.440
a lot going on usually they're it's
0:43:35.760,0:43:39.420
going to be good for a cat you can't
0:43:37.440,0:43:41.220
hardly resist coming to them and I
0:43:39.420,0:43:43.380
honestly think if you do get set up on
0:43:41.220,0:43:45.060
cats and they don't know you're there
0:43:43.380,0:43:46.500
you're set up close enough to them you
0:43:45.060,0:43:48.300
can play about any kind of prey distress
0:43:46.500,0:43:50.700
down they're probably gonna come he's
0:43:48.300,0:43:52.680
just going to do it but yeah definitely
0:43:50.700,0:43:55.680
definitely have her favorites and and
0:43:52.680,0:43:56.760
we've kind of named them off there but
0:43:55.680,0:43:59.819
um
0:43:56.760,0:44:02.400
you said that you've kind of moved Mrs
0:43:59.819,0:44:03.720
mccottontail now is the first sound that
0:44:02.400,0:44:06.900
you usually play
0:44:03.720,0:44:09.359
uh-huh I do uh what kind of volume you
0:44:06.900,0:44:12.720
usually starting out with on that
0:44:09.359,0:44:16.500
uh I usually start out about 50 volume
0:44:12.720,0:44:19.260
being you know running the x24 so that'd
0:44:16.500,0:44:22.319
be right around 20 yeah you know on my
0:44:19.260,0:44:24.000
on my volume uh that's usually about my
0:44:22.319,0:44:28.380
starting point and it kind of depends on
0:44:24.000,0:44:30.780
terrain too uh it's it depends on you
0:44:28.380,0:44:32.880
know it's it's open behind the area that
0:44:30.780,0:44:35.400
I'm that I'm looking to hunt you know I
0:44:32.880,0:44:37.920
might I might bump it up a little louder
0:44:35.400,0:44:39.180
um than that but if it if you know if I
0:44:37.920,0:44:41.520
have a big Ridge behind where I'm
0:44:39.180,0:44:45.720
hunting or out in front of me I guess I
0:44:41.520,0:44:49.980
should say uh I might I might even start
0:44:45.720,0:44:51.900
off at 16 or 18 on on my fox Pro but
0:44:49.980,0:44:54.660
somewhere's right in that area anywhere
0:44:51.900,0:44:58.680
between 16 and 22 is probably where I'm
0:44:54.660,0:45:00.839
going to start right right so uh tell us
0:44:58.680,0:45:04.800
what how many different prey distress
0:45:00.839,0:45:06.780
sounds will you run on a stand and and
0:45:04.800,0:45:09.240
how long of a stand are you usually
0:45:06.780,0:45:12.180
making you know like just give us a give
0:45:09.240,0:45:13.700
us a typical choreograph uh bobcat sound
0:45:12.180,0:45:17.640
sequence
0:45:13.700,0:45:19.440
okay well if it's a dry stand I'll take
0:45:17.640,0:45:21.300
you through the whole yeah you know from
0:45:19.440,0:45:22.859
start to finish what you know because
0:45:21.300,0:45:24.540
there is those times that you do call
0:45:22.859,0:45:27.300
them in towards on the end of your stand
0:45:24.540,0:45:30.359
so oh yeah go ahead and tell us what you
0:45:27.300,0:45:33.720
watch your stands looks like
0:45:30.359,0:45:36.420
so my stand is going to consist of I I
0:45:33.720,0:45:38.819
already got a idea in mind how long I'm
0:45:36.420,0:45:41.640
going to sit there uh it's usually going
0:45:38.819,0:45:44.400
to be 20 to 25 minutes I'm no longer
0:45:41.640,0:45:46.140
than 25 and it's probably really not
0:45:44.400,0:45:48.480
going to be much longer than 20. I don't
0:45:46.140,0:45:51.119
I don't like sitting that long but uh
0:45:48.480,0:45:52.440
that's just personal preference but I'm
0:45:51.119,0:45:54.300
gonna start out with my Mrs Nick
0:45:52.440,0:45:56.040
Cottontail that's my number one sound
0:45:54.300,0:45:58.980
that I pushed to the top
0:45:56.040,0:46:01.440
and that's kind of personal preference
0:45:58.980,0:46:02.700
too a lot of guys I know some guys only
0:46:01.440,0:46:04.680
want to run
0:46:02.700,0:46:06.660
you know short bursts two or three
0:46:04.680,0:46:08.520
minutes me personally
0:46:06.660,0:46:11.579
I'm gonna run that sound somewhere
0:46:08.520,0:46:14.280
between four and six minutes
0:46:11.579,0:46:15.420
um ramping the volume up and down while
0:46:14.280,0:46:17.480
I'm
0:46:15.420,0:46:20.160
while I'm in that four to six minutes
0:46:17.480,0:46:23.160
and then when I transition to my next
0:46:20.160,0:46:26.640
call or my next sound which is going to
0:46:23.160,0:46:29.640
be kg Cottontail most likely sometimes I
0:46:26.640,0:46:34.020
might move to a that baby Cottontail or
0:46:29.640,0:46:35.520
that HP Cottontail or HP uh Snowshoe
0:46:34.020,0:46:36.180
excuse me right
0:46:35.520,0:46:39.300
um
0:46:36.180,0:46:42.420
but I might give it a little pause in
0:46:39.300,0:46:44.880
between those two sounds I might just
0:46:42.420,0:46:46.619
shut it off and uh
0:46:44.880,0:46:51.000
sit there for about
0:46:46.619,0:46:54.780
20 30 40 seconds before I go into my
0:46:51.000,0:46:57.180
next sound uh and you and I've talked
0:46:54.780,0:46:59.480
about that before in the past you know
0:46:57.180,0:47:02.520
there's a lot of times those pauses
0:46:59.480,0:47:05.099
might might shake a cat loose if you had
0:47:02.520,0:47:07.859
one sitting out there on his butt off in
0:47:05.099,0:47:10.920
the shadows that you couldn't see uh
0:47:07.859,0:47:12.900
that happens a lot either with the
0:47:10.920,0:47:15.240
decoys still spinning
0:47:12.900,0:47:17.640
you know and you start that sound back
0:47:15.240,0:47:20.160
up I don't know what it is it it
0:47:17.640,0:47:23.280
sometimes it triggers a cat to get up
0:47:20.160,0:47:25.740
off his rear end and say hey what
0:47:23.280,0:47:30.060
happened what's going on here right and
0:47:25.740,0:47:31.920
uh so kind of the same thing I'll get
0:47:30.060,0:47:35.579
into that cagey Cottontail or my next
0:47:31.920,0:47:38.900
town whatever it may be and I'm gonna
0:47:35.579,0:47:41.280
run it for another four to six minutes
0:47:38.900,0:47:44.040
and then I'm getting kind of antsy
0:47:41.280,0:47:47.880
because uh here now I'm you know 10 to
0:47:44.040,0:47:51.839
12 to 13 minutes in you're like
0:47:47.880,0:47:54.240
yeah now now I'm fishing so
0:47:51.839,0:47:57.119
I'm gonna go to a higher pitch sound and
0:47:54.240,0:48:00.300
that's going to be that Snowshoe HP I
0:47:57.119,0:48:02.700
really like how loud it is or now I want
0:48:00.300,0:48:05.520
to get that sound out there because I'm
0:48:02.700,0:48:09.119
pretty for sure that I don't have a cat
0:48:05.520,0:48:10.440
you know within 100 yards of where I'm
0:48:09.119,0:48:12.660
at because
0:48:10.440,0:48:14.280
he hasn't showed up yet so I'm gonna
0:48:12.660,0:48:16.819
throw that sound out there
0:48:14.280,0:48:19.079
a little bit higher
0:48:16.819,0:48:22.619
Snowshoe HP is kind of a loud sound
0:48:19.079,0:48:25.380
anyway even on 50 volume so it's a good
0:48:22.619,0:48:28.020
sound for me to get further into my
0:48:25.380,0:48:30.300
colon stand and
0:48:28.020,0:48:31.859
like I said I'm fishing at this point so
0:48:30.300,0:48:34.560
I'm really throwing that sound out there
0:48:31.859,0:48:39.720
and I may run it you know another four
0:48:34.560,0:48:41.520
five six minutes volume up and down oh
0:48:39.720,0:48:43.560
and then at that point you know it's
0:48:41.520,0:48:45.780
you're you're about throwing for a Hail
0:48:43.560,0:48:48.480
Mary I'm getting the closest end of my
0:48:45.780,0:48:50.220
stand you know 20 25 minutes you've
0:48:48.480,0:48:53.700
already thought about the next hand
0:48:50.220,0:48:54.839
oh yeah I'm I'm already my pickups are
0:48:53.700,0:48:57.720
already fired up and we're headed down
0:48:54.839,0:49:00.839
the road yeah yeah yeah well you know I
0:48:57.720,0:49:03.900
I tell you what we're extremely similar
0:49:00.839,0:49:05.400
um I'll even only make it depends on the
0:49:03.900,0:49:07.500
stand location but there are some stands
0:49:05.400,0:49:10.079
I won't make 15 minutes you know if it's
0:49:07.500,0:49:12.599
a if it's just a small Thicket where I
0:49:10.079,0:49:14.700
think we'll hold a cat you know that the
0:49:12.599,0:49:16.319
cat's got to show up quick if he ain't
0:49:14.700,0:49:17.700
turn 15 minutes I'm gone you know
0:49:16.319,0:49:19.859
there's no way for me to come a long
0:49:17.700,0:49:22.740
ways off why I sit there for 45 minutes
0:49:19.859,0:49:24.240
you know he will come right so usually
0:49:22.740,0:49:26.520
I'm running anywhere from three to five
0:49:24.240,0:49:29.640
different prey distress sounds pretty
0:49:26.520,0:49:31.140
much just like you 15 to 25 minute stand
0:49:29.640,0:49:34.440
you know like I said depending on the
0:49:31.140,0:49:36.180
location and the same type of thing I'm
0:49:34.440,0:49:39.780
running each sound for four to six
0:49:36.180,0:49:41.940
minutes and pretty much the same
0:49:39.780,0:49:44.520
sequences you I'll either start out with
0:49:41.940,0:49:46.680
Mrs MC Cottontail or cagey Cottontail
0:49:44.520,0:49:48.240
run for four to six minutes and I'm
0:49:46.680,0:49:49.980
doing that pause just like you was
0:49:48.240,0:49:52.020
talked about I like to pause in between
0:49:49.980,0:49:54.720
sounds for about anywhere from 20 to 40
0:49:52.020,0:49:57.720
seconds and it always seems like to me
0:49:54.720,0:50:00.060
the majority of the cats that we kill if
0:49:57.720,0:50:02.940
they do not show up to that first sound
0:50:00.060,0:50:05.220
when you pause for that 20 or 40 seconds
0:50:02.940,0:50:08.400
and then start up that second sound
0:50:05.220,0:50:09.780
whether it be Mrs MC Cottontail cagey
0:50:08.400,0:50:12.240
Cottontail eastern cottontail whatever
0:50:09.780,0:50:14.099
that second sound is if they didn't show
0:50:12.240,0:50:17.099
up that first one they're going to show
0:50:14.099,0:50:18.720
up within a minute or so and coming hard
0:50:17.099,0:50:20.819
during that second just because like
0:50:18.720,0:50:23.040
what you said it's almost like they feel
0:50:20.819,0:50:24.599
like they lost that rabbit they lost
0:50:23.040,0:50:26.520
that opportunity to get it when that
0:50:24.599,0:50:28.740
that pause was there so when that next
0:50:26.520,0:50:31.800
sound starts up and it's a different
0:50:28.740,0:50:33.180
pitch different Cadence you know total
0:50:31.800,0:50:34.680
different sound to them man they can't
0:50:33.180,0:50:35.460
they can't stand it they gotta run in
0:50:34.680,0:50:37.500
there and get it because they don't want
0:50:35.460,0:50:39.420
to lose another rabbit seems like but
0:50:37.500,0:50:41.520
the rest of it is just like you I'm just
0:50:39.420,0:50:43.020
kind of children and intensity as it
0:50:41.520,0:50:45.660
goes on
0:50:43.020,0:50:47.940
you know cagey Cottontail Mrs MC
0:50:45.660,0:50:49.559
Cottontail and I might even throw one
0:50:47.940,0:50:51.540
more Cottontail in there if I'm feeling
0:50:49.559,0:50:53.640
saucy you know a eastern cottontail or
0:50:51.540,0:50:55.859
whatever but then after that I'm bumping
0:50:53.640,0:50:58.140
it up I'm going to Snowshoe hair HP
0:50:55.859,0:50:59.880
nothing shows up I'm finishing with
0:50:58.140,0:51:01.140
Lightning Jack just building that
0:50:59.880,0:51:03.180
intensity because we all know how
0:51:01.140,0:51:06.480
lightning Jackie is that sucker's
0:51:03.180,0:51:08.400
screaming it's fast paced you know you
0:51:06.480,0:51:10.140
know if I was a bobcat or a coyote when
0:51:08.400,0:51:11.700
lightning Jack's playing I feel like
0:51:10.140,0:51:13.500
running that turn biting on a thing to
0:51:11.700,0:51:15.119
get shut up because it's you know it's
0:51:13.500,0:51:16.680
it's just one of those type sounds you
0:51:15.119,0:51:19.260
know what I mean so and a lot of times
0:51:16.680,0:51:21.240
just like you saying when you get to
0:51:19.260,0:51:23.040
those lighter lighter sounds and later
0:51:21.240,0:51:24.720
in the sequence sometimes they will
0:51:23.040,0:51:26.099
break them and they will come right in
0:51:24.720,0:51:29.819
there
0:51:26.099,0:51:32.160
I was I I was on a stand it's probably
0:51:29.819,0:51:35.579
been about three years ago or so
0:51:32.160,0:51:37.559
I run probably for 20 25 minutes and I
0:51:35.579,0:51:40.980
gave up on the stand but
0:51:37.559,0:51:43.619
I shut the call off in the uh
0:51:40.980,0:51:45.599
the decoy was still spinning on the on
0:51:43.619,0:51:47.880
the Foxpro there
0:51:45.599,0:51:50.099
and I got my phone out of my pocket and
0:51:47.880,0:51:51.359
I had a message or something I was just
0:51:50.099,0:51:53.640
sitting there reading my message going
0:51:51.359,0:51:55.319
through my phone and heard something
0:51:53.640,0:51:57.599
coming down the fence row that I was
0:51:55.319,0:51:59.640
sitting on and now it pops this bobcat
0:51:57.599,0:52:02.579
and it heads right to the
0:51:59.640,0:52:04.619
to the fox Pro and it wasn't even on
0:52:02.579,0:52:06.059
there's no telling there's no telling
0:52:04.619,0:52:08.099
how long it's been sitting there you
0:52:06.059,0:52:09.839
know down the fence row where I lost it
0:52:08.099,0:52:11.460
lost that sound but do you still did you
0:52:09.839,0:52:13.559
still have the decoy going
0:52:11.460,0:52:14.819
still have the decoy going yep you just
0:52:13.559,0:52:16.740
come right to the side of that well tell
0:52:14.819,0:52:18.839
us about decoys you like running decoys
0:52:16.740,0:52:21.839
on all your Bobcat sets
0:52:18.839,0:52:25.559
I love running decoy on Bobcat set yes
0:52:21.839,0:52:28.020
it's it's uh just about a must-have for
0:52:25.559,0:52:30.960
me anymore and I've called bobcats in
0:52:28.020,0:52:34.200
without a decoy matter of fact I've got
0:52:30.960,0:52:37.619
I took some videos last year a couple
0:52:34.200,0:52:40.760
Bobcats that I called in after
0:52:37.619,0:52:43.500
um after seasoning I remember that yeah
0:52:40.760,0:52:46.020
and it was just I didn't have my decoy
0:52:43.500,0:52:47.880
you know on my x24 and you know about
0:52:46.020,0:52:51.119
jet season was over with so I took it
0:52:47.880,0:52:53.579
off and had both them cats literally
0:52:51.119,0:52:55.740
walked up and sniffed sniffed the comb
0:52:53.579,0:52:57.359
and then one cat took off running the
0:52:55.740,0:52:59.760
other one just sit there and just kind
0:52:57.359,0:53:02.819
of looked at it but uh yeah it's a must
0:52:59.760,0:53:05.220
yep it's a must for Bobcat
0:53:02.819,0:53:07.260
you know do you run it continuously when
0:53:05.220,0:53:11.059
you start sound or you intermittently
0:53:07.260,0:53:11.059
turn it on and off or what do you do
0:53:14.960,0:53:19.440
uh I really love having our new X decoy
0:53:18.359,0:53:22.339
that we have
0:53:19.440,0:53:26.160
uh has you know the two position
0:53:22.339,0:53:29.460
uh on it has a high and a low yeah and
0:53:26.160,0:53:31.920
uh I really like the low setting that's
0:53:29.460,0:53:34.140
just personal preference just what I
0:53:31.920,0:53:38.640
think is is better
0:53:34.140,0:53:40.200
um and I like to drape my decoy over the
0:53:38.640,0:53:42.000
speaker just a little bit gives it a
0:53:40.200,0:53:45.300
little bit more action yeah you know
0:53:42.000,0:53:46.740
with kind of like a 45 degree angle and
0:53:45.300,0:53:49.260
Pitch forward a little bit
0:53:46.740,0:53:50.940
yeah and uh yeah I'm kind of
0:53:49.260,0:53:53.400
intermediate I'll shut it off and turn
0:53:50.940,0:53:55.920
it back on every once in a while uh
0:53:53.400,0:53:57.720
definitely I'll try to shut it off if I
0:53:55.920,0:54:00.540
can if I have a coyote come in I'm not
0:53:57.720,0:54:01.380
big on coyotes and decoys but I know a
0:54:00.540,0:54:03.420
lot of guys
0:54:01.380,0:54:05.819
like them and they do work for coyotes
0:54:03.420,0:54:07.980
but Bobcat since we're talking about
0:54:05.819,0:54:09.059
Bobcat absolutely it's going to be
0:54:07.980,0:54:10.980
running
0:54:09.059,0:54:12.420
awesome stuff I think we should before
0:54:10.980,0:54:13.619
we get off here we're towards the end
0:54:12.420,0:54:15.660
but I think we should say something
0:54:13.619,0:54:17.220
about shot placement on Bobcats because
0:54:15.660,0:54:19.140
those suckers will run on you if you
0:54:17.220,0:54:21.240
don't hit them right you want to give us
0:54:19.140,0:54:22.440
how you like to put your bullet in on
0:54:21.240,0:54:25.859
these cats
0:54:22.440,0:54:28.859
well if I've got a cat that's facing me
0:54:25.859,0:54:31.800
it's Square chest I'm I'm putting I'm
0:54:28.859,0:54:34.440
putting my crosshairs Square on his
0:54:31.800,0:54:36.300
chest and and he ain't gonna get up from
0:54:34.440,0:54:38.819
that uh that's probably one of my
0:54:36.300,0:54:40.740
favorite shots on a bobcat and even
0:54:38.819,0:54:43.619
though it's a small
0:54:40.740,0:54:45.660
little Target size of a pop can even on
0:54:43.619,0:54:48.240
a 35 pounder
0:54:45.660,0:54:50.099
you know that if you hit a cat squaring
0:54:48.240,0:54:53.839
the chest it's it's probably not going
0:54:50.099,0:54:57.599
to get up yeah broadside
0:54:53.839,0:54:59.819
broadside's real real touchy and and uh
0:54:57.599,0:55:02.760
I'm I like to catch a little bit of
0:54:59.819,0:55:05.160
shoulder you know John on my Bobcats I
0:55:02.760,0:55:06.960
like try to I like to try to put that
0:55:05.160,0:55:08.819
you know I'm saying try to put it right
0:55:06.960,0:55:11.460
through both shoulders if you can just
0:55:08.819,0:55:13.880
Square yeah Center punt shoulder
0:55:11.460,0:55:17.400
well if you don't answer or bobcat down
0:55:13.880,0:55:18.599
and you have a good pass through behind
0:55:17.400,0:55:21.599
the shoulder
0:55:18.599,0:55:23.880
that cat's gonna have enough nine lives
0:55:21.599,0:55:25.079
in him to probably get somewhere and
0:55:23.880,0:55:27.480
you're going to have to be hunting for
0:55:25.079,0:55:29.880
him man that's tough They Don't Really
0:55:27.480,0:55:32.220
bleed all that much when they take off
0:55:29.880,0:55:35.099
and the thing is once they do lay down
0:55:32.220,0:55:36.720
and expire they are blending in it is
0:55:35.099,0:55:38.640
tough to find them you'll you'll
0:55:36.720,0:55:40.740
practically step on them to find them I
0:55:38.640,0:55:42.900
mean it's they're blending so well so
0:55:40.740,0:55:45.240
and another bad thing if you hit it on
0:55:42.900,0:55:46.800
back here in the rib somewhere you can
0:55:45.240,0:55:48.540
take a pretty good chance of blowing a
0:55:46.800,0:55:49.740
humongous hole in the things I don't
0:55:48.540,0:55:51.180
know what it is you can hit them in the
0:55:49.740,0:55:52.980
chest and the shoulders with the biggest
0:55:51.180,0:55:55.380
gun out there and they don't do nothing
0:55:52.980,0:55:56.640
to them you hit one two inches behind
0:55:55.380,0:55:59.480
the shoulder it looks like you threw a
0:55:56.640,0:56:02.099
football through them sometimes yeah
0:55:59.480,0:56:04.619
these vomit boards are pretty mean on
0:56:02.099,0:56:07.079
them them light hides like that yeah
0:56:04.619,0:56:09.839
that's good stuff yeah if they're facing
0:56:07.079,0:56:11.880
you squaring a chest broadside try to
0:56:09.839,0:56:13.440
put it in the shoulders center punch the
0:56:11.880,0:56:16.079
shoulders you'll anchor that cat down
0:56:13.440,0:56:18.359
and you'll be you'll be pretty happy you
0:56:16.079,0:56:19.740
get behind the shoulder now it can drop
0:56:18.359,0:56:21.180
them I've dropped them like it you know
0:56:19.740,0:56:23.400
pulled a shot hit by the shoulder and
0:56:21.180,0:56:25.260
they drop but you're talking about 50
0:56:23.400,0:56:26.700
percent there fifty percent of time
0:56:25.260,0:56:28.859
they're gonna run off and usually about
0:56:26.700,0:56:30.839
a leap they'll jump 10 foot in the air
0:56:28.859,0:56:32.960
hit the ground take off running it's as
0:56:30.839,0:56:35.700
hard as it can be
0:56:32.960,0:56:37.200
and you're hot you're hard your heart
0:56:35.700,0:56:39.440
just sinks to your knees when that
0:56:37.200,0:56:41.520
happens
0:56:39.440,0:56:43.800
yes it does
0:56:41.520,0:56:45.359
well don't Corey I think we pretty much
0:56:43.800,0:56:48.240
covered it all you got anything you'd
0:56:45.359,0:56:52.440
like to say of course close this out
0:56:48.240,0:56:54.599
oh man uh really I think we touched on a
0:56:52.440,0:56:57.119
lot of things I just hope everybody has
0:56:54.599,0:56:59.940
a good safe season this year and and
0:56:57.119,0:57:02.040
take what John and I are trying to teach
0:56:59.940,0:57:04.559
you to the field and I just hope
0:57:02.040,0:57:06.540
everybody has great success with it yeah
0:57:04.559,0:57:08.220
yeah and share those show share those
0:57:06.540,0:57:11.099
cat pictures we love seeing them too we
0:57:08.220,0:57:13.020
love seeing everybody be successful you
0:57:11.099,0:57:15.440
bet you well I'll tell you what you know
0:57:13.020,0:57:19.200
we pretty much said it scouting
0:57:15.440,0:57:21.059
smartstand selection and solid calling
0:57:19.200,0:57:23.700
you put all that together you know
0:57:21.059,0:57:25.859
proper sounds and sound sequences go
0:57:23.700,0:57:27.420
with that scouting and stand selection
0:57:25.859,0:57:29.040
you're going to increase your odds of
0:57:27.420,0:57:31.140
tagging some Bobcats this year you know
0:57:29.040,0:57:33.240
it's a it's an amazing sight to witness
0:57:31.140,0:57:35.339
a bobcat come to the call sometimes they
0:57:33.240,0:57:36.660
sneak in you know the stalking the call
0:57:35.339,0:57:38.220
and other times they come running in
0:57:36.660,0:57:39.540
just like a coyote
0:57:38.220,0:57:42.619
they'll tell you what everyone up
0:57:39.540,0:57:42.619
special Auntie Corey
0:57:43.160,0:57:46.980
those coyote memories can kind of get
0:57:45.420,0:57:48.599
dull or fuzzy every once in a while but
0:57:46.980,0:57:51.240
you remember everyone that Bobcats don't
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you oh yes sir I can tell you everyone
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I've killed that's exactly right well I
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appreciate you being on here buddy
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I thank you John we hope everyone
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enjoyed this episode we hope you join us
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again right here on the Foxpro podcast