The FOXPRO Podcast

EP. 11: Bobcat Calling Sequences and Tactics - Corey Groff

Episode Summary

Jon Collins and Corey Groff discuss calling sequences and hunting tactics targeting bobcats.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the Foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by Foxpro game calls

 

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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast I'm

 

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pretty pumped about this episode it's

 

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going to be a good one

 

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we'll be talking about Bobcat calling

 

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Our Guest for this podcast is none other

 

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than Corey Groff hey Corey what are you

 

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up to buddy

 

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oh buddy I'm I'm kind of singing the

 

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blues right now it's a little windy

 

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today I was wanting to get out and do

 

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some calling but I guess I'll sit here

 

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and talk about bobcats with you what do

 

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you think instead of trying to call some

 

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in yes sir I'll tell you what we was

 

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talking about doing a dedicated Bobcat

 

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calling episode you're the first person

 

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I thought of you know you're you know

 

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you know I think a lot of you on the on

 

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the coyote calling World good good

 

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friend as well but uh for you guys don't

 

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know

 

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Corey which I'm sure most of you do is

 

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listening to him but man Corey is a

 

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bobcat caller son he's one of the best

 

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in the world at doing it so he's gonna

 

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be perfect for this podcast

 

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well I do I do appreciate that John and

 

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like we're saying Bobcat you know most

 

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Bobcat seasons are in across the country

 

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and Corey you've you hadn't wasted no

 

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time you've already you've already

 

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killed a couple haven't you

 

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yeah I sure have it's it's uh I've been

 

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kind of blessed that way I usually don't

 

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happen that way I'm usually

 

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further along in December wondering why

 

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I called the Canadian yet but uh yeah

 

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right after deer season our deer season

 

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ended on it Tuesday and I went out on

 

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Wednesday first day and I I was lucky

 

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enough to call in a Bobcat so I like

 

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saying didn't waste no time I was a male

 

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female

 

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it's a big old female yes sir well won't

 

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you won't you tell us about the stand

 

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how'd it play out what sounds you played

 

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all that type stuff

 

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well uh I've had my eye on this thought

 

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for a while I've had had the property

 

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for quite some time and I've killed a

 

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cat there in the past and uh

 

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it's just a big deep holler is what it

 

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is and you can it it looks like it's

 

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really clear but it's got a lot of uh

 

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what we call around here Sage grass and

 

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a lot of saplings and stuff in it and

 

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then of course it's got a lot of buyer

 

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but you know adjacent to it along the

 

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property line

 

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there's a big Ridge

 

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across one holler and it's full of

 

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Cedars and it kind of makes an L shape

 

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and it's just a it's just a perfect

 

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spot for what I would like to call and

 

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uh you know it's got good elevation to

 

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it and uh so that's why I picked that

 

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stand and and walking in I you have a

 

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little trouble there because of the sage

 

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grass is getting pretty tall actually

 

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when I when I decided to set up at I I

 

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had to set my call

 

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over across a holler just so I can make

 

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sure I could see something coming up to

 

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you know to the call right right I do

 

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that quite often on coyote stands as

 

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well you know yeah I mean yourself in

 

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trouble if you can't see that call

 

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oh absolutely and you know it's easier

 

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for it's easier for the uh Predator once

 

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he's advancing to the call it's easier

 

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for him to see it when he's coming up

 

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than you are seeing right because right

 

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he's still he's still underneath you you

 

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know basically and and uh yeah we have

 

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to you know I know I've never been in

 

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your part of the country but uh just by

 

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the videos and stuff I watch it's kind

 

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of the there's a lot of similarities to

 

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the type of terrain so I know what

 

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you're talking about you got to get that

 

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call where you can see it and

 

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anyhow getting back to that that's what

 

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I've done and I I uh I prop my chair out

 

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and got my camera fired up and

 

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you know you know me I I went straight

 

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to that Mrs MC Cottontail and and uh it

 

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wasn't but about three or four minutes

 

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into the end of the stand

 

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I called a bobcat moving down the very

 

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bottom of that hauler and she Advanced

 

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up the hill coming through that Sage

 

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grass but I ain't kidding you when she

 

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seen that Decoy

 

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she bolted and come buzzing up through

 

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there I was actually surprised how fast

 

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she she Advanced to the call and then

 

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quickly set on the brakes when she got

 

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about five feet from it and that's

 

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that's where I ended up taking her so it

 

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was pretty exciting staying so so how

 

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long was the stand

 

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it was right about five minutes you mean

 

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it wasn't 45 minutes

 

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no no no

 

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it sure wasn't yeah well you know that's

 

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one thing we we talked me and you've

 

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talked about that before and you know

 

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you see these guys talking about these

 

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huge long stands that they'll set on for

 

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his Bobcats and I'm not saying that's

 

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the

 

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that's the wrong thing to do but you

 

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know

 

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better you know in my experience most

 

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the cats were killing are coming in in

 

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under eight minutes uh oh yeah a lot of

 

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them's in the first like you just said

 

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first five or six minutes you've got a

 

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cat down

 

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well the the two Bobcats that I've

 

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killed so far in the last couple weeks

 

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uh I hadn't called more than 10 minutes

 

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together killing them together

 

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so I mean if that don't tell you

 

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something right there they'll they'll

 

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come fast that definitely tells you it

 

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tells me something now tell us about uh

 

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tell us about the second cat it was a

 

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bigger cat wasn't it a nice Tom

 

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uh they were pretty close to about the

 

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same size yes it was a nice Tom uh the

 

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Tom was just a little bit bigger I'd say

 

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I never did get to weigh my female uh

 

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the the Tom was right at 25 pounds for

 

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females you she was pretty heavy for a

 

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female she had a lot of girth to her and

 

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and I'd say an older cat uh

 

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so it's kind of like the first scene I

 

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was telling you about uh like I said

 

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I've hunted this property for years and

 

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going into this stand

 

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I really wasn't calling for a Bobcat I

 

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know that they're they're probably there

 

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but that wasn't the point of my stand

 

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when I was walking in until

 

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I crossed a uh Pawn Dam on my way in

 

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and I just happened to be looking down

 

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there was water right there going over a

 

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little spillway

 

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and I just happened to look down and I

 

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seen Apollo scat on a rock and I said to

 

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myself I'm like well that's Bobcat scat

 

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right and but the wind wasn't right for

 

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the area brush that was right there

 

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adjacent

 

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to where that scat was at and back in

 

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the summer I actually killed a coyote

 

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right there and I knew there's more

 

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right there in that area and that's kind

 

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of really what I was after but

 

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so I walked on down the hill and

 

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at this Farm there's an Old Creek feeder

 

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that sits up right there and it's a good

 

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spot to just set up on you know you

 

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you've got great background you're not

 

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you're not silhouetted on anything so uh

 

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I went ahead and set my call up and

 

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fired it up I started out with uh Mrs MC

 

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Cottontail again that's you know that's

 

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one of my favorites I go too the go-to

 

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and uh

 

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I was about four minutes in

 

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and the sun was setting just perfect to

 

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where it was casting light

 

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you know to my right and I was back in

 

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the shadow but

 

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this cat caught my eye because it just

 

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lit up on the hillside but I didn't

 

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think it was a cat I actually thought it

 

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was a kind right because it was coming

 

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so hard to the call

 

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I mean it was full Sprint John I mean

 

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stretched out awesome full Sprint and I

 

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grabbed the camera arm and spun the

 

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camera around

 

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I I couldn't even get on him fast enough

 

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before he'd done past me and and was at

 

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the call

 

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and uh I ended up killing that cat about

 

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10 feet from the call awesome so that

 

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was it was right at when I when I

 

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stopped around the remote I was on five

 

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minutes and 30 seconds

 

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but I was kind of Pumped so I know there

 

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was about 30 seconds there that I was

 

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you know

 

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reminiscing what I just done and then I

 

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had the time of me setting up too so it

 

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had to been right about four minutes

 

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right right that's that's that's pretty

 

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awesome those are the kind of stands

 

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sounds like you kind of lived for you

 

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know and and that's another thing it's

 

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probably kind of a I don't know if you

 

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want to call it a bobcat calling myth or

 

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or what but you know everybody's always

 

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talking about them always sneaking in or

 

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coming in and just sitting down on the

 

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edge of cover and being so you know

 

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leery of doing whatever but this cat

 

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literally for Annie in just like a

 

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coyote full speed hard charge into the

 

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call

 

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yeah yeah and and he's a big enough cat

 

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to you know make sure he gets plenty of

 

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meals you know he I don't think he was I

 

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don't think he was really hungry I just

 

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think he I think the setup was right I

 

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think I had my call in the right

 

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position

 

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and uh

 

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you know and not only that he had no

 

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cover if he wanted to come to that call

 

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you know he he come across the cow

 

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pasture where the cows would eat it down

 

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the grass wasn't two or three inches

 

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tall so that might play a role in why he

 

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came so fast too you know is he had no

 

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cover so right right it sounded like he

 

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had him fooled nonetheless

 

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yes sir and that's another thing so you

 

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weighed like 25 pounds and I've always

 

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said you know you hear about people

 

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talking about these

 

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you know big numbers like 40 and 50

 

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pound cats that's stretching a little

 

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bit you know there is cats it way well

 

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up in the 30s and I've heard of some 40s

 

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and stuff and I know you've killed some

 

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really big cats in the past but I've

 

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always said anytime you kill a cat

 

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that's that's 25 pounds plus

 

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these cats you've killed a lot of cats

 

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that's a lot of animal right there when

 

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you're talking about a feline yeah and

 

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especially a bobcat because they just

 

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you know they're more they got more

 

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length to them than they than anything

 

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so if you got something that's got some

 

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girth and got a little bit of light to

 

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them yeah that's a pretty good sized cat

 

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yeah because they're all teeth balls fur

 

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and and mussels yeah cause I mean you

 

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know the rest of them there ain't

 

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nothing there you can you know you scan

 

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them things out and look at them you're

 

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like that's what that's what I was

 

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shooting at I mean they you know they're

 

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once you skin them out there ain't

 

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nothing there you could take care of one

 

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of their bones and hold them in the palm

 

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of your hand you know there ain't much

 

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to to these animals so you when you kill

 

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something it's weighing in the mid-20s

 

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you've killed a big cat you've killed a

 

0:10:59.279,0:11:01.800

big cat and of course when you're

 

0:11:00.300,0:11:04.740

talking about when you do break that 30

 

0:11:01.800,0:11:06.959

pound Mark man you you've got a you've

 

0:11:04.740,0:11:09.660

got a animal on your hands there

 

0:11:06.959,0:11:11.959

yeah that's definitely uh you know

 

0:11:09.660,0:11:14.640

you're not killing 30 pound Bobcats

 

0:11:11.959,0:11:16.860

consistently you know every year it's

 

0:11:14.640,0:11:18.360

just not gonna happen no that's right I

 

0:11:16.860,0:11:20.100

mean they're out there and there's a

 

0:11:18.360,0:11:22.260

bunch of them out there it's just you

 

0:11:20.100,0:11:24.660

know oh yeah it seems like

 

0:11:22.260,0:11:26.940

you know I shouldn't say every year but

 

0:11:24.660,0:11:29.700

you know I'm looking hoping to kill one

 

0:11:26.940,0:11:32.160

what I consider a good big cat a year

 

0:11:29.700,0:11:34.440

and if it's over 25 pounds I consider

 

0:11:32.160,0:11:36.660

I've killed you know a good a good

 

0:11:34.440,0:11:38.820

bobcat and was lucky enough last year

 

0:11:36.660,0:11:40.560

killed a 30 pounder last year and it was

 

0:11:38.820,0:11:42.600

a lot of animal or a year before last I

 

0:11:40.560,0:11:44.040

guess it was I think all the cats killed

 

0:11:42.600,0:11:46.980

last year was you know in the upper

 

0:11:44.040,0:11:48.660

teens and low and mid mid 20s but the

 

0:11:46.980,0:11:51.120

year before I did kill a 30 pounder and

 

0:11:48.660,0:11:53.820

it's a huge difference too between a a

 

0:11:51.120,0:11:55.920

30 pounder and even a 25 pound or five

 

0:11:53.820,0:11:58.680

pounds and a cat's uh is a lot of weight

 

0:11:55.920,0:12:01.380

big deal yeah well you've killed some

 

0:11:58.680,0:12:03.300

pretty cats out there in Kentucky yeah a

 

0:12:01.380,0:12:04.980

lot of a lot of good spots seems like a

 

0:12:03.300,0:12:07.380

lot of good leopard spots you know out

 

0:12:04.980,0:12:09.899

that way they get those nice rosettes

 

0:12:07.380,0:12:11.279

and all that stuff in my area of

 

0:12:09.899,0:12:12.779

Kentucky it's like there's nothing in

 

0:12:11.279,0:12:14.579

between they're either like what we call

 

0:12:12.779,0:12:16.560

a rabbit back cat

 

0:12:14.579,0:12:18.660

um you know that looks like a rabbit fur

 

0:12:16.560,0:12:20.279

or they're like a leopard you know

 

0:12:18.660,0:12:21.540

spotted up like crazy now the other

 

0:12:20.279,0:12:23.940

spots I've owned it seemed like they're

 

0:12:21.540,0:12:25.560

all just kind of drab looking in the

 

0:12:23.940,0:12:27.360

Midwest and stuff I should say all of

 

0:12:25.560,0:12:30.720

them but definitely get a little bit

 

0:12:27.360,0:12:32.100

more spots over here in my area of

 

0:12:30.720,0:12:34.320

course you know we've both hunted Texas

 

0:12:32.100,0:12:36.240

for cats you can get some pretty pretty

 

0:12:34.320,0:12:39.540

awesome looking cats down in Texas as

 

0:12:36.240,0:12:42.540

well a lot lots of good spots in Texas I

 

0:12:39.540,0:12:44.279

mean that that's probably you know

 

0:12:42.540,0:12:46.680

besides what you know I hunt here

 

0:12:44.279,0:12:48.839

locally around home uh I've hunted

 

0:12:46.680,0:12:51.480

Oklahoma that's really a good Bobcat

 

0:12:48.839,0:12:55.380

hunting a couple places that I hunt down

 

0:12:51.480,0:12:56.880

there but uh those South Texas cats you

 

0:12:55.380,0:12:58.920

know they don't have good fur on them

 

0:12:56.880,0:13:01.139

but they are so stinking pretty and they

 

0:12:58.920,0:13:03.360

always have good spots yeah yeah yeah

 

0:13:01.139,0:13:06.839

cool the cats are cool animals that's

 

0:13:03.360,0:13:08.639

for sure and you know Bobcat calling is

 

0:13:06.839,0:13:10.980

always a pretty hot topic you know

 

0:13:08.639,0:13:12.360

whenever we post pictures of a cat we

 

0:13:10.980,0:13:14.880

always get the question you know what

 

0:13:12.360,0:13:17.220

what sound did you play to call in that

 

0:13:14.880,0:13:20.279

Bobcat I'm sure you've got that tons of

 

0:13:17.220,0:13:23.339

times that you Corey oh yeah yeah and

 

0:13:20.279,0:13:25.740

I've got and and and don't get me wrong

 

0:13:23.339,0:13:27.300

I I like answering the questions so

 

0:13:25.740,0:13:28.980

anybody listening to us thinks that

 

0:13:27.300,0:13:31.500

they're bothering me you're not because

 

0:13:28.980,0:13:33.660

I like talking about it but uh I get a

 

0:13:31.500,0:13:36.540

lot of questions and got what I've

 

0:13:33.660,0:13:38.399

received a lot of messages in the last

 

0:13:36.540,0:13:40.440

week or two just from the two cats that

 

0:13:38.399,0:13:42.899

I have killed and right and like I said

 

0:13:40.440,0:13:45.000

I you know I do enjoy talking about it

 

0:13:42.899,0:13:47.639

so guys don't don't think I'm I'm I

 

0:13:45.000,0:13:49.560

don't right yeah we we love we live for

 

0:13:47.639,0:13:52.079

it you know it's it's what we're you

 

0:13:49.560,0:13:54.360

know look forward to every year uh the

 

0:13:52.079,0:13:57.420

thing is though that's the question we

 

0:13:54.360,0:13:58.920

get is what sound did you play but the

 

0:13:57.420,0:14:00.720

thing is there's a lot more that goes

 

0:13:58.920,0:14:02.779

into it than just pushing a button on

 

0:14:00.720,0:14:05.760

the call and you know

 

0:14:02.779,0:14:06.959

we've got a great list of sounds and

 

0:14:05.760,0:14:09.779

we're going to talk about them later on

 

0:14:06.959,0:14:12.300

in this podcast but but just remember

 

0:14:09.779,0:14:13.920

this guy's listening there's a lot more

 

0:14:12.300,0:14:14.959

goes into it than just hitting that

 

0:14:13.920,0:14:18.180

right sound

 

0:14:14.959,0:14:19.680

a lot of sounds are calling cats me and

 

0:14:18.180,0:14:21.839

Corey definitely have her favorites and

 

0:14:19.680,0:14:24.240

a lot of our favorites are you know we

 

0:14:21.839,0:14:25.680

share the same favorites uh but there's

 

0:14:24.240,0:14:28.459

definitely a lot that goes into it you

 

0:14:25.680,0:14:31.260

know they're scouting stand selection

 

0:14:28.459,0:14:33.480

you're you're calling technique the

 

0:14:31.260,0:14:34.800

sounds that you use the the pattern that

 

0:14:33.480,0:14:36.839

you use them in you know the sequence

 

0:14:34.800,0:14:38.339

that you use the volume of your call how

 

0:14:36.839,0:14:41.279

you work in your volumes up and down

 

0:14:38.339,0:14:43.680

there's a lot that goes into it and

 

0:14:41.279,0:14:45.060

Corey you were you know you hit you know

 

0:14:43.680,0:14:47.339

I wouldn't even understands with you

 

0:14:45.060,0:14:49.320

you've already killed two cats it sounds

 

0:14:47.339,0:14:50.820

like you put everything together just

 

0:14:49.320,0:14:53.160

right because you killed those cats very

 

0:14:50.820,0:14:54.839

quick within yeah what both of them

 

0:14:53.160,0:14:56.820

within six minutes you know you said

 

0:14:54.839,0:14:58.260

both stands were less than 10 10 minutes

 

0:14:56.820,0:15:01.620

put together right

 

0:14:58.260,0:15:04.560

exactly yes so you've you've put every

 

0:15:01.620,0:15:06.839

bit of that together to be successful

 

0:15:04.560,0:15:08.399

with it with with what you've done there

 

0:15:06.839,0:15:09.839

and probably the first thing we need to

 

0:15:08.399,0:15:10.980

talk about is scouting a little bit

 

0:15:09.839,0:15:14.699

don't you think

 

0:15:10.980,0:15:17.279

yeah let's do it well tell me tell me

 

0:15:14.699,0:15:19.740

what you do to scout for Bobcats is it

 

0:15:17.279,0:15:22.199

something you do just you're you know

 

0:15:19.740,0:15:24.240

year-round or or are you always out

 

0:15:22.199,0:15:25.680

looking for sign or just when you're in

 

0:15:24.240,0:15:27.600

the field coyote hunting deer hunting

 

0:15:25.680,0:15:30.420

you know what what do you do to look for

 

0:15:27.600,0:15:33.480

to scout for Bobcats

 

0:15:30.420,0:15:35.940

well I'm kind of an opportunist when it

 

0:15:33.480,0:15:40.380

comes to when it comes to Bobcat

 

0:15:35.940,0:15:42.839

scouting and and uh you know I'll I like

 

0:15:40.380,0:15:45.000

to take photographs so you know I do a

 

0:15:42.839,0:15:47.399

lot of landscape photos and stuff like

 

0:15:45.000,0:15:49.620

even in the off Seasons I do it in the

 

0:15:47.399,0:15:51.720

springtime when I'm scouting for turkeys

 

0:15:49.620,0:15:55.500

I do it in the summertime when I'm out

 

0:15:51.720,0:15:59.579

mushroom hunting but all those outings

 

0:15:55.500,0:16:01.860

are Bobcat scouting too uh so I do it

 

0:15:59.579,0:16:04.019

year round but I don't I don't do it to

 

0:16:01.860,0:16:05.459

the point that that's what my trip is

 

0:16:04.019,0:16:08.100

you know right

 

0:16:05.459,0:16:09.600

is about you know I have you know I have

 

0:16:08.100,0:16:11.519

other reasons while I'm there like I

 

0:16:09.600,0:16:14.820

said you know whether it's deer hunting

 

0:16:11.519,0:16:19.199

or or turkey hunting I'm always looking

 

0:16:14.820,0:16:21.480

at the ground and uh you know

 

0:16:19.199,0:16:25.019

a lot of people a lot of people have a

 

0:16:21.480,0:16:28.380

hard time differentiating you know

 

0:16:25.019,0:16:30.660

just cracks right and uh that's one

 

0:16:28.380,0:16:32.880

thing I'd you know I think you know

 

0:16:30.660,0:16:35.100

people need to educate themselves on

 

0:16:32.880,0:16:36.899

it's real easy you know you can jump on

 

0:16:35.100,0:16:39.720

Google and look at tracks they have real

 

0:16:36.899,0:16:40.800

photos of of tracks and stuff and you

 

0:16:39.720,0:16:42.000

know that way you know what you're

 

0:16:40.800,0:16:45.600

looking at when you're looking at the

 

0:16:42.000,0:16:49.740

ground in the same way it goes for scat

 

0:16:45.600,0:16:52.079

um but scat is usually more important to

 

0:16:49.740,0:16:53.699

me when I'm scouting than it is tracks

 

0:16:52.079,0:16:56.579

because it tells me

 

0:16:53.699,0:16:58.860

where that cats pretty well living

 

0:16:56.579,0:17:00.300

you know if he's if he's putting scat on

 

0:16:58.860,0:17:02.040

the ground right there he's probably

 

0:17:00.300,0:17:05.040

pretty close because he probably either

 

0:17:02.040,0:17:07.919

did it before he went to bed or when he

 

0:17:05.040,0:17:11.400

just come out of his bed right

 

0:17:07.919,0:17:14.040

so with scouting for me it's usually not

 

0:17:11.400,0:17:15.660

just I'm gonna go out and Bobcat Scout

 

0:17:14.040,0:17:17.819

today it's usually on Mount coyote

 

0:17:15.660,0:17:19.799

hunting they're taking photographs or or

 

0:17:17.819,0:17:23.120

I'm doing some type of outdoor activity

 

0:17:19.799,0:17:26.640

you're multitasking that's yours yes sir

 

0:17:23.120,0:17:28.740

I love being outside right right so you

 

0:17:26.640,0:17:30.240

might as well be Scouting For for that

 

0:17:28.740,0:17:32.340

type of stuff while you're out there and

 

0:17:30.240,0:17:34.140

you know what uh you know scouting is

 

0:17:32.340,0:17:36.179

such an important tool to take advantage

 

0:17:34.140,0:17:38.520

of you know for Bobcats you know it's

 

0:17:36.179,0:17:41.340

the main thing is it's pretty tough to

 

0:17:38.520,0:17:43.559

call up a bobcat in a place that Bobcats

 

0:17:41.340,0:17:45.299

don't exist you know you just can't go

 

0:17:43.559,0:17:46.860

anywhere in Walmart parking lot and

 

0:17:45.299,0:17:49.260

expect to play Mississippi Cottondale

 

0:17:46.860,0:17:50.760

call it Bobcat uh you've got to find

 

0:17:49.260,0:17:53.480

them um

 

0:17:50.760,0:17:56.340

you know what uh you was talking about

 

0:17:53.480,0:17:57.840

your your stand selection and all those

 

0:17:56.340,0:18:00.240

two spots especially the first one you

 

0:17:57.840,0:18:02.280

said you you had a Thicket that uh that

 

0:18:00.240,0:18:03.840

you was wanting to call uh because you

 

0:18:02.280,0:18:05.760

thought it might be holding a cat what

 

0:18:03.840,0:18:07.559

what Drew you to that spot what was it

 

0:18:05.760,0:18:09.299

about that spot made you want to try to

 

0:18:07.559,0:18:13.140

call it

 

0:18:09.299,0:18:16.860

uh well there was three parts of it that

 

0:18:13.140,0:18:19.620

Drew me to that spot and one being that

 

0:18:16.860,0:18:21.179

I had a Thicket right in the bottom of

 

0:18:19.620,0:18:24.600

of the hauler

 

0:18:21.179,0:18:26.640

and then the other was the position I'd

 

0:18:24.600,0:18:29.280

be able to be in

 

0:18:26.640,0:18:32.580

one while I was calling I'd be able to

 

0:18:29.280,0:18:34.500

see real good and the third was

 

0:18:32.580,0:18:37.860

I guess I should say there's four parts

 

0:18:34.500,0:18:39.600

to it uh the third would be was the

 

0:18:37.860,0:18:41.940

ridge that was behind it with a lot of

 

0:18:39.600,0:18:43.799

Cedar yeah and then water there was

 

0:18:41.940,0:18:45.419

there's a good water source right there

 

0:18:43.799,0:18:47.880

there's a creek that runs down through

 

0:18:45.419,0:18:49.740

there it's a it's a it's not just a wet

 

0:18:47.880,0:18:52.799

weather Creek it's a spring fed Creek

 

0:18:49.740,0:18:54.419

and it stays wet all the time and you

 

0:18:52.799,0:18:57.960

know that's something I always look for

 

0:18:54.419,0:19:00.299

in a Bobcat stand is a good water source

 

0:18:57.960,0:19:03.539

and a good Thicket

 

0:19:00.299,0:19:05.340

good stuff that's and that that's kind

 

0:19:03.539,0:19:07.500

of like what Bobcats love seem like they

 

0:19:05.340,0:19:09.720

love the thick stuff A lot of times

 

0:19:07.500,0:19:12.360

thicker the better seems like you know

 

0:19:09.720,0:19:15.360

here in the East uh recently logged

 

0:19:12.360,0:19:16.980

areas are usually hot spots you know

 

0:19:15.360,0:19:18.720

these yeah it's a timber that's been

 

0:19:16.980,0:19:20.940

logged out and they they're there's

 

0:19:18.720,0:19:22.380

Treetops scattered all throughout out

 

0:19:20.940,0:19:24.900

you know through the through the wood

 

0:19:22.380,0:19:28.020

lot now and and brush piles and what's

 

0:19:24.900,0:19:29.340

what has opened up is now grown up in

 

0:19:28.020,0:19:31.740

the thick Briars you know blackberry

 

0:19:29.340,0:19:33.480

bushes and raspberry bushes all that

 

0:19:31.740,0:19:35.280

stuff and it's the perfect stuff to hold

 

0:19:33.480,0:19:38.039

cats and and other thing not just

 

0:19:35.280,0:19:39.600

holding the cats it holds it holds their

 

0:19:38.039,0:19:41.280

prey usually that stuff is full of

 

0:19:39.600,0:19:44.039

songbirds full of other you know all

 

0:19:41.280,0:19:45.360

kinds of birds rabbits squirrels all

 

0:19:44.039,0:19:47.039

that type of stuff take advantage that

 

0:19:45.360,0:19:49.200

cover in Deer that's what a lot of

 

0:19:47.039,0:19:51.600

people don't realize is they do prey on

 

0:19:49.200,0:19:53.700

deer quite a bit uh probably a lot more

 

0:19:51.600,0:19:56.600

than what a lot of people realize

 

0:19:53.700,0:19:58.860

yeah absolutely and I actually

 

0:19:56.600,0:20:01.140

I don't know if you and I ever talked

 

0:19:58.860,0:20:03.480

about this it's been probably about five

 

0:20:01.140,0:20:05.460

years ago

 

0:20:03.480,0:20:07.740

I called in probably the biggest Bobcat

 

0:20:05.460,0:20:09.660

I ever seen in my life and he was there

 

0:20:07.740,0:20:12.419

in seconds like

 

0:20:09.660,0:20:15.480

I literally turned the call on

 

0:20:12.419,0:20:17.400

got my remote kind of back in my lap and

 

0:20:15.480,0:20:20.039

I looked up in this Bobcat was standing

 

0:20:17.400,0:20:22.080

on a log and I thought what in the world

 

0:20:20.039,0:20:25.799

where'd he come from right

 

0:20:22.080,0:20:28.380

yeah he was huge and I I was just

 

0:20:25.799,0:20:29.940

impressed how big he was and he knew

 

0:20:28.380,0:20:32.039

something wasn't right right away I mean

 

0:20:29.940,0:20:33.240

he just he just had that you know he had

 

0:20:32.039,0:20:35.760

that instinct that something wouldn't

 

0:20:33.240,0:20:37.440

write me he turned and and hopped off

 

0:20:35.760,0:20:39.900

the log but he was on and it gave me

 

0:20:37.440,0:20:42.600

what I thought was a clear shot

 

0:20:39.900,0:20:44.220

and I took the shot and I I thought I

 

0:20:42.600,0:20:46.679

hit the cat

 

0:20:44.220,0:20:48.660

uh he run off down the hill and I I

 

0:20:46.679,0:20:51.360

could have swore I heard him crash right

 

0:20:48.660,0:20:54.720

and I was pumped I'm like wow that was

 

0:20:51.360,0:20:57.059

that was such a big bobcat and uh so I

 

0:20:54.720,0:20:59.100

grabbed my gear and went off down the

 

0:20:57.059,0:21:01.740

hill and there's a there was a woven

 

0:20:59.100,0:21:03.480

wire fence there and I think the crash

 

0:21:01.740,0:21:05.460

was him trying to get through that Logan

 

0:21:03.480,0:21:06.860

wire fence you know pretty quick really

 

0:21:05.460,0:21:09.000

oh man

 

0:21:06.860,0:21:11.820

and uh

 

0:21:09.000,0:21:13.620

so anyhow I walked down the fence row

 

0:21:11.820,0:21:16.440

about another 20 yards

 

0:21:13.620,0:21:18.299

and there was a pile of leaves piled up

 

0:21:16.440,0:21:20.880

about three foot deep

 

0:21:18.299,0:21:22.559

on the other side of the fence and I

 

0:21:20.880,0:21:24.720

walked up there and I could see a deer's

 

0:21:22.559,0:21:28.919

face sticking out from underneath them

 

0:21:24.720,0:21:30.659

leaves and I was like holy holy moly

 

0:21:28.919,0:21:33.840

this this cat's killed him a deer right

 

0:21:30.659,0:21:36.120

here right and he had it covered up and

 

0:21:33.840,0:21:37.919

uh I went back a couple different times

 

0:21:36.120,0:21:40.500

that year and never could call that cat

 

0:21:37.919,0:21:42.299

back in but all right yeah I guess I

 

0:21:40.500,0:21:44.760

just slick Misty and there was some uh

 

0:21:42.299,0:21:48.000

there was actually there was actually

 

0:21:44.760,0:21:49.799

some Little Sprouts like between me and

 

0:21:48.000,0:21:51.840

him that I that I couldn't see in the

 

0:21:49.799,0:21:54.900

scalp and I guess I just just missed him

 

0:21:51.840,0:21:57.059

right yeah I'm sure that's a that's a

 

0:21:54.900,0:21:58.260

heartbreaker that's you and you just

 

0:21:57.059,0:22:00.539

talked about something that's pretty

 

0:21:58.260,0:22:03.179

cool and for people to look at look at

 

0:22:00.539,0:22:05.880

uh it's kind of like scouting I guess if

 

0:22:03.179,0:22:07.799

you're ever in Bobcat country you know

 

0:22:05.880,0:22:10.620

mountain lions will do this too but you

 

0:22:07.799,0:22:11.820

know Midwest East you know you ain't

 

0:22:10.620,0:22:14.760

gonna find Mountain line it's going to

 

0:22:11.820,0:22:17.880

be Bobcat stuff if you find a deer

 

0:22:14.760,0:22:21.059

turkey anything like that that's been

 

0:22:17.880,0:22:22.860

buried you know sticks covered up on it

 

0:22:21.059,0:22:25.140

leaves you know just see something

 

0:22:22.860,0:22:27.720

sticking out that's a bobcat's done that

 

0:22:25.140,0:22:29.640

and it's going to be racing you know so

 

0:22:27.720,0:22:31.559

you know you've got a bobcat in area

 

0:22:29.640,0:22:34.080

when you find that and I've actually

 

0:22:31.559,0:22:36.419

found that before Corey it's been a

 

0:22:34.080,0:22:38.700

while since I've done this but I have

 

0:22:36.419,0:22:39.419

actually found stuff like that in the

 

0:22:38.700,0:22:42.539

past

 

0:22:39.419,0:22:45.000

and went in immediately and called those

 

0:22:42.539,0:22:46.980

areas and still caught up a cat and

 

0:22:45.000,0:22:49.280

killed them you know they had a fresh

 

0:22:46.980,0:22:51.659

Keel there or maybe a keel that they

 

0:22:49.280,0:22:53.640

buried and been eating on for the last

 

0:22:51.659,0:22:56.280

two days and you think they'd be full

 

0:22:53.640,0:22:58.260

and they could have been full but you

 

0:22:56.280,0:23:00.659

can still call those cats in you know

 

0:22:58.260,0:23:02.400

they might get to pray and bury it and

 

0:23:00.659,0:23:03.620

eat it a few days later but they're

 

0:23:02.400,0:23:05.640

they're pretty

 

0:23:03.620,0:23:07.140

opportunistic and they're going to take

 

0:23:05.640,0:23:09.720

advantage of that

 

0:23:07.140,0:23:11.460

I agree and they when and I think a lot

 

0:23:09.720,0:23:14.400

of it's Instinct you know it's just

 

0:23:11.460,0:23:16.919

instantly yep

 

0:23:14.400,0:23:19.740

well you know the thing is you know a

 

0:23:16.919,0:23:21.659

lot of us are whitetail deer hunters and

 

0:23:19.740,0:23:23.940

us that are deer hunters you know the

 

0:23:21.659,0:23:25.500

importance of scouting for deer well

 

0:23:23.940,0:23:27.659

it's no different for Bobcats you know

 

0:23:25.500,0:23:29.220

usually the more you Scout the more

 

0:23:27.659,0:23:31.440

successful you are during deer season

 

0:23:29.220,0:23:34.260

it's no different from Bobcat so I

 

0:23:31.440,0:23:37.559

really I really you know urge you guys

 

0:23:34.260,0:23:40.260

to acknowledge that The Scouting aspect

 

0:23:37.559,0:23:41.700

of this can be very important you know

 

0:23:40.260,0:23:43.500

and sometimes it gets to the point like

 

0:23:41.700,0:23:45.120

if you're in a really good Bobcat areas

 

0:23:43.500,0:23:46.980

you know a lot of times you'd just be

 

0:23:45.120,0:23:48.600

driving down the road and it comes

 

0:23:46.980,0:23:51.000

second nature to you just look over and

 

0:23:48.600,0:23:52.320

you see a Thicket or a draw or Plum

 

0:23:51.000,0:23:54.059

thicken or whatever and you're just like

 

0:23:52.320,0:23:55.380

man I bet that's holding a bobcat you

 

0:23:54.059,0:23:57.059

get permission of course you want to

 

0:23:55.380,0:23:59.159

call it you kill a cat right I'm sure

 

0:23:57.059,0:24:02.340

you've done that several times Corey but

 

0:23:59.159,0:24:05.760

uh definitely definitely take the time

 

0:24:02.340,0:24:07.559

to learn what holds Bobcats and do a

 

0:24:05.760,0:24:10.740

little scouting it will pay off like I

 

0:24:07.559,0:24:13.980

was talking about earlier logged areas

 

0:24:10.740,0:24:16.799

you know Brushy Creek brought on Stick

 

0:24:13.980,0:24:18.419

Creek bottoms thick drainages even

 

0:24:16.799,0:24:21.419

growing up Fields you know these big

 

0:24:18.419,0:24:23.580

Prairie type fields that have went back

 

0:24:21.419,0:24:26.100

to the wild so to speak they can hold

 

0:24:23.580,0:24:27.659

Bobcats as well usually just a thicker a

 

0:24:26.100,0:24:29.880

place is the better usually they're

 

0:24:27.659,0:24:32.360

holding Bobcats getting there and get to

 

0:24:29.880,0:24:32.360

scouting them

 

0:24:33.240,0:24:38.039

yeah go ahead Cory so I was just gonna

 

0:24:36.600,0:24:40.320

say you know

 

0:24:38.039,0:24:41.299

that I own a lot of different types of

 

0:24:40.320,0:24:45.120

terrain

 

0:24:41.299,0:24:47.280

and the Bobcat calling it's there's a

 

0:24:45.120,0:24:49.320

lot of similarities similarities to it

 

0:24:47.280,0:24:52.380

in the three different states that I'm

 

0:24:49.320,0:24:55.740

talking about Missouri Oklahoma while in

 

0:24:52.380,0:24:57.960

Texas but uh North Missouri it's kind of

 

0:24:55.740,0:25:01.200

I would call it more

 

0:24:57.960,0:25:02.580

the type of terrain is like Oklahoma

 

0:25:01.200,0:25:06.179

um you know it's a little bit more open

 

0:25:02.580,0:25:09.120

but you talking about you know a lot of

 

0:25:06.179,0:25:10.320

these properties you know going back to

 

0:25:09.120,0:25:12.539

Wild

 

0:25:10.320,0:25:14.820

you know there's a lot of these Open

 

0:25:12.539,0:25:16.260

Country Places that you know have like

 

0:25:14.820,0:25:18.840

these CRP

 

0:25:16.260,0:25:21.600

fields that they let go back and and

 

0:25:18.840,0:25:23.460

they're on a CRP program those are

 

0:25:21.600,0:25:25.679

really really good places

 

0:25:23.460,0:25:29.340

you know to set up for Bobcats because

 

0:25:25.679,0:25:31.320

the grass in them CRP fields and they'll

 

0:25:29.340,0:25:34.020

a lot of times they'll grow locust trees

 

0:25:31.320,0:25:36.539

back uh may start getting real Brushy

 

0:25:34.020,0:25:38.760

pretty you know over pretty quick over

 

0:25:36.539,0:25:41.400

time but I mean it's it doesn't take

 

0:25:38.760,0:25:43.440

long within a few years you get a some

 

0:25:41.400,0:25:45.539

good tall grass like that then Bobcats

 

0:25:43.440,0:25:47.100

really like that and they're they hide

 

0:25:45.539,0:25:49.559

in it they like to catch a lot of game

 

0:25:47.100,0:25:51.659

birds like that right all right you know

 

0:25:49.559,0:25:52.799

it it's it's a good spot for them to

 

0:25:51.659,0:25:55.020

live and like we was talking about

 

0:25:52.799,0:25:56.940

earlier it holds all their prey you know

 

0:25:55.020,0:25:59.400

everything's attracted to that stuff so

 

0:25:56.940,0:26:02.340

yeah I just wanted to mention that too

 

0:25:59.400,0:26:04.440

you know any guys that you know don't

 

0:26:02.340,0:26:07.260

have the opportunity to hunt stuff like

 

0:26:04.440,0:26:08.220

John and I huh you know with these

 

0:26:07.260,0:26:10.919

growed up

 

0:26:08.220,0:26:13.140

Briar bottoms and stuff in these collars

 

0:26:10.919,0:26:15.539

and whatnot like that that open country

 

0:26:13.140,0:26:18.360

you know you can kill Bobcats there too

 

0:26:15.539,0:26:19.919

you just you know you you need to get

 

0:26:18.360,0:26:22.140

close to that cover

 

0:26:19.919,0:26:24.299

you know before you just say oh it's

 

0:26:22.140,0:26:26.760

just too open yeah give it a try get

 

0:26:24.299,0:26:29.580

close to it and you know that's another

 

0:26:26.760,0:26:31.380

thing anytime you know if if you're out

 

0:26:29.580,0:26:33.179

calling and especially in the fall and

 

0:26:31.380,0:26:35.940

winter and you're using prey to stress

 

0:26:33.179,0:26:39.240

sound you always have the chance of

 

0:26:35.940,0:26:40.740

calling up a cat you know any given time

 

0:26:39.240,0:26:43.679

even on those spots you know I've been

 

0:26:40.740,0:26:45.360

on many stands or a bobcat was the last

 

0:26:43.679,0:26:47.400

thing that was on my mind you know maybe

 

0:26:45.360,0:26:50.760

hunting this big wide open Prairie

 

0:26:47.400,0:26:52.799

country in Kansas or even slick pasture

 

0:26:50.760,0:26:55.320

fields or hay fields in Kentucky that

 

0:26:52.799,0:26:56.940

are bigger fields and you know like I

 

0:26:55.320,0:26:58.500

said last thing on your mind and

 

0:26:56.940,0:27:00.059

sometimes you just have dumb luck with

 

0:26:58.500,0:27:01.799

them which I like that too I like

 

0:27:00.059,0:27:04.620

getting lucky oh yeah you know you start

 

0:27:01.799,0:27:06.539

playing and you know you you've had for

 

0:27:04.620,0:27:09.779

coyotes and done all this crazy stuff

 

0:27:06.539,0:27:11.700

and go to go to cagey Cottontail or baby

 

0:27:09.779,0:27:13.440

Cottontail or whatever and still

 

0:27:11.700,0:27:15.659

thinking hoping to drag out a coyote and

 

0:27:13.440,0:27:19.200

you look up and there's a dag on Bobcat

 

0:27:15.659,0:27:21.659

where it came from I have no idea but

 

0:27:19.200,0:27:24.419

you do have the chance of calling up a

 

0:27:21.659,0:27:25.980

bobcat at any given time it's just how

 

0:27:24.419,0:27:27.419

it works out and like I said we always

 

0:27:25.980,0:27:29.580

take advantage of them too if it's

 

0:27:27.419,0:27:32.159

Bobcat season but those are those a

 

0:27:29.580,0:27:33.840

little special you know those gimmies I

 

0:27:32.159,0:27:37.200

guess you'd have to work as hard for

 

0:27:33.840,0:27:39.539

them but it's always a treat that's for

 

0:27:37.200,0:27:41.520

sure but Corey all right we've done our

 

0:27:39.539,0:27:42.299

scouting we know we've got Bob cast to

 

0:27:41.520,0:27:44.400

hunt

 

0:27:42.299,0:27:46.679

next thing on the list that's that's

 

0:27:44.400,0:27:50.100

extremely important and it's very

 

0:27:46.679,0:27:52.380

crucial is stand selection how you set

 

0:27:50.100,0:27:54.120

up and all that type of stuff can you

 

0:27:52.380,0:27:56.700

kind of walk us through that say you got

 

0:27:54.120,0:27:59.279

a Thicket out there that you know a

 

0:27:56.700,0:28:02.760

bobcats in what's the next step

 

0:27:59.279,0:28:04.500

well my next step is is

 

0:28:02.760,0:28:07.140

you know I probably want to go look at

 

0:28:04.500,0:28:09.720

that same location uh thank you a lot of

 

0:28:07.140,0:28:12.059

guys and it's very helpful tool you know

 

0:28:09.720,0:28:13.820

we all got probably Onyx or something

 

0:28:12.059,0:28:16.440

like it on our phone

 

0:28:13.820,0:28:18.179

and we don't want to go by the Bible on

 

0:28:16.440,0:28:21.000

that I know I don't because things

 

0:28:18.179,0:28:23.100

change things change you know you may

 

0:28:21.000,0:28:25.500

not have been in that place for the last

 

0:28:23.100,0:28:27.779

couple years well landowner might have

 

0:28:25.500,0:28:29.220

come in and cleared some stuff off or or

 

0:28:27.779,0:28:31.620

built a new fence and you don't know

 

0:28:29.220,0:28:33.659

nothing about it so I always try to

 

0:28:31.620,0:28:35.580

I always try to go to those stands

 

0:28:33.659,0:28:37.679

before I even make them like it's

 

0:28:35.580,0:28:39.539

already in my mind if the wind direction

 

0:28:37.679,0:28:42.179

isn't right

 

0:28:39.539,0:28:44.640

for a stand location I might drive by it

 

0:28:42.179,0:28:47.460

and just see what it looks like and that

 

0:28:44.640,0:28:49.799

way I know the next time the wind

 

0:28:47.460,0:28:51.600

blows for the right direction to be

 

0:28:49.799,0:28:55.799

there then I know how I'm going to set

 

0:28:51.600,0:28:58.080

up so that's first on my list is knowing

 

0:28:55.799,0:29:00.659

what I'm hunting

 

0:28:58.080,0:29:03.000

so

 

0:29:00.659,0:29:05.460

in that fan

 

0:29:03.000,0:29:07.799

you know you can't always be elevated

 

0:29:05.460,0:29:11.760

but in that fan I'm going to look for

 

0:29:07.799,0:29:16.080

some elevation uh and also in that stand

 

0:29:11.760,0:29:18.659

I'm going to look for uh that Thicket

 

0:29:16.080,0:29:21.419

how how that Thicket lays hopefully

 

0:29:18.659,0:29:23.880

there's some water around it uh and then

 

0:29:21.419,0:29:27.059

I'm gonna look how I'm gonna set up like

 

0:29:23.880,0:29:30.000

a do I have cover there to set up on uh

 

0:29:27.059,0:29:32.279

a good backdrop behind me where I can I

 

0:29:30.000,0:29:34.260

can be you know

 

0:29:32.279,0:29:37.140

sit in a good location where I can still

 

0:29:34.260,0:29:39.419

see the shoe right all right

 

0:29:37.140,0:29:41.580

and then like I said

 

0:29:39.419,0:29:44.940

where I'm going to put my call at that's

 

0:29:41.580,0:29:47.340

very important too uh because some of

 

0:29:44.940,0:29:49.799

these tighter spots that I like to get

 

0:29:47.340,0:29:51.659

in you know I like to give the cat

 

0:29:49.799,0:29:54.059

enough room so I can make a good shot

 

0:29:51.659,0:29:56.640

but I want a crowded enough

 

0:29:54.059,0:29:58.140

to where the cat's gonna be able to hear

 

0:29:56.640,0:30:00.080

me and he doesn't have to come from the

 

0:29:58.140,0:30:02.279

long direction right right

 

0:30:00.080,0:30:04.020

yeah because they're they're usually not

 

0:30:02.279,0:30:05.399

going to cover you know a tremendous

 

0:30:04.020,0:30:07.679

amount of open ground you know I'm I'm

 

0:30:05.399,0:30:09.240

right there with you we're very similar

 

0:30:07.679,0:30:12.120

on now we like to set up you know

 

0:30:09.240,0:30:13.679

usually if I got a cat you know I like

 

0:30:12.120,0:30:15.960

to try to sit up and say like a small

 

0:30:13.679,0:30:18.000

field or small opening it's adjacent to

 

0:30:15.960,0:30:20.100

where I think that cat is at you know

 

0:30:18.000,0:30:24.299

where I think I've got one whole held up

 

0:30:20.100,0:30:26.700

uh if possible I'll sit you know sit set

 

0:30:24.299,0:30:28.679

up 50 to 75 yards away from the cover

 

0:30:26.700,0:30:30.720

you know pretty tight like you were

 

0:30:28.679,0:30:31.679

talking about and get my fox Pro placed

 

0:30:30.720,0:30:33.179

out there about half the distance

 

0:30:31.679,0:30:35.640

between me and the cover sometimes

 

0:30:33.179,0:30:37.380

that's just 20 25 yards because you know

 

0:30:35.640,0:30:39.720

I might be just 50 yards from where I

 

0:30:37.380,0:30:41.159

think that cat's at and like was talking

 

0:30:39.720,0:30:43.320

about you know they're they're just not

 

0:30:41.159,0:30:45.059

likely to cover a tremendous amount of

 

0:30:43.320,0:30:46.260

open ground even though they will he was

 

0:30:45.059,0:30:48.059

just talking about earlier how sometimes

 

0:30:46.260,0:30:49.799

you can get them out in these big wide

 

0:30:48.059,0:30:52.559

prairies and stuff like that but that's

 

0:30:49.799,0:30:55.140

not usually the case so yeah definitely

 

0:30:52.559,0:30:56.720

like to set up pretty tied on that cover

 

0:30:55.140,0:30:59.159

for sure

 

0:30:56.720,0:31:01.620

because you know you got the thing is

 

0:30:59.159,0:31:05.700

you've got a you really need to set up

 

0:31:01.620,0:31:08.520

as close as you can where that Bobcat

 

0:31:05.700,0:31:10.620

feels comfortable coming to the call but

 

0:31:08.520,0:31:13.380

you also got to be leery of getting too

 

0:31:10.620,0:31:15.299

close and bumping a cat or a coyote it's

 

0:31:13.380,0:31:17.700

in there anything like that

 

0:31:15.299,0:31:19.320

well you know and you got coyotes

 

0:31:17.700,0:31:20.820

they're they're not going to come in

 

0:31:19.320,0:31:23.940

like a cat usually they're a little

 

0:31:20.820,0:31:25.260

faster moving and uh that's what I

 

0:31:23.940,0:31:27.600

always try to give myself at least

 

0:31:25.260,0:31:29.820

enough room where I could swing on a

 

0:31:27.600,0:31:32.880

coyote if I have to not so much a bobcat

 

0:31:29.820,0:31:35.399

but uh so I there's a kind of a fine

 

0:31:32.880,0:31:37.380

line there where you you know how you're

 

0:31:35.399,0:31:41.039

going to crowd it so it's just something

 

0:31:37.380,0:31:43.320

to be wise of uh something that some

 

0:31:41.039,0:31:45.720

guys may have to work on

 

0:31:43.320,0:31:47.880

um but just know that just like John

 

0:31:45.720,0:31:48.899

said you know get in there tight enough

 

0:31:47.880,0:31:51.419

where

 

0:31:48.899,0:31:53.039

they they feel comfortable but don't get

 

0:31:51.419,0:31:55.860

in too tight where you can't make a good

 

0:31:53.039,0:31:57.779

shot exactly exactly

 

0:31:55.860,0:31:59.580

um now you mentioned it just there a

 

0:31:57.779,0:32:01.679

minute ago

 

0:31:59.580,0:32:04.260

um let's talk about wind direction you

 

0:32:01.679,0:32:07.260

know you we've got a lot of different

 

0:32:04.260,0:32:08.940

you'll see a lot of different opinions

 

0:32:07.260,0:32:11.039

on wind direction when it comes to

 

0:32:08.940,0:32:12.539

Bobcat calling

 

0:32:11.039,0:32:14.940

um I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you

 

0:32:12.539,0:32:18.419

straight up what mine is Corey itself

 

0:32:14.940,0:32:20.820

always always always always hunt the

 

0:32:18.419,0:32:21.960

wind no matter what I'll let you take it

 

0:32:20.820,0:32:25.740

from there

 

0:32:21.960,0:32:27.840

well you know years ago you and I had

 

0:32:25.740,0:32:29.940

that conversation and I

 

0:32:27.840,0:32:32.820

I'll be honest I didn't I really wasn't

 

0:32:29.940,0:32:34.980

too worried about a bobcat's nose uh I'd

 

0:32:32.820,0:32:36.899

had a bobcat that I thought maybe that

 

0:32:34.980,0:32:39.240

might have winded me but I've had a lot

 

0:32:36.899,0:32:41.700

of bobcats that just come up and stick

 

0:32:39.240,0:32:43.200

his nose right in the call uh but

 

0:32:41.700,0:32:45.720

coyotes do that stuff too you know

 

0:32:43.200,0:32:47.460

they'll they'll uh they'll teach us

 

0:32:45.720,0:32:49.500

things every once in a while that we

 

0:32:47.460,0:32:51.840

swear by the Bible they won't do

 

0:32:49.500,0:32:53.940

and uh but

 

0:32:51.840,0:32:58.020

you you kind of turned me on that years

 

0:32:53.940,0:33:00.480

ago Bob Bobcats do use win they're not

 

0:32:58.020,0:33:02.700

going to use it like a coyote uses it

 

0:33:00.480,0:33:05.279

they're not going to circle downwind

 

0:33:02.700,0:33:08.340

to use his nose but uh

 

0:33:05.279,0:33:11.940

if it if the opportunity comes that they

 

0:33:08.340,0:33:12.840

are downwind from that call or you as

 

0:33:11.940,0:33:14.820

the Hunter

 

0:33:12.840,0:33:17.820

you're probably going to get winded by

 

0:33:14.820,0:33:20.279

that cat right right and another big

 

0:33:17.820,0:33:22.260

thing about it is if you go set up on

 

0:33:20.279,0:33:24.720

this ticket and say your wind's blowing

 

0:33:22.260,0:33:26.880

from you right down into that Thicket

 

0:33:24.720,0:33:29.039

and there was a coyote in there well

 

0:33:26.880,0:33:31.679

guess what you've boogered that coyote

 

0:33:29.039,0:33:33.059

you ain't gonna call him up and uh no I

 

0:33:31.679,0:33:36.840

mean you both you know we love her

 

0:33:33.059,0:33:38.760

coyotes as well so you know if any time

 

0:33:36.840,0:33:41.340

any type of place it is good for a

 

0:33:38.760,0:33:44.279

Bobcat his life will be holding holding

 

0:33:41.340,0:33:45.840

coyotes as well uh so always hunt the

 

0:33:44.279,0:33:47.580

wind don't go in there and just hunt and

 

0:33:45.840,0:33:49.019

say well yeah I just want to kill a I'm

 

0:33:47.580,0:33:50.279

just after Bobcats anyway because I

 

0:33:49.019,0:33:52.500

guarantee you every one of you want to

 

0:33:50.279,0:33:55.799

kill a coyote as well so hunt that wind

 

0:33:52.500,0:33:57.360

because it could uh you know there's no

 

0:33:55.799,0:33:58.980

sense of boogering up a coyote because

 

0:33:57.360,0:34:01.320

you just blatantly went in there with

 

0:33:58.980,0:34:02.760

the wrong wind and got the calling and

 

0:34:01.320,0:34:04.679

the first thing he does is throws his

 

0:34:02.760,0:34:05.700

nose up in there and gets a big nose

 

0:34:04.679,0:34:08.639

full of

 

0:34:05.700,0:34:12.419

Collins or Corey Groff and he's going to

 

0:34:08.639,0:34:13.679

come is he no he sure ain't and you

 

0:34:12.419,0:34:15.659

probably won't get him to kill the rest

 

0:34:13.679,0:34:17.580

of the season yeah yeah you have to wait

 

0:34:15.659,0:34:20.159

until dinner season where he resets it's

 

0:34:17.580,0:34:21.419

crazy and try to get him killed in but

 

0:34:20.159,0:34:22.919

you better not be running no rabbit

 

0:34:21.419,0:34:24.359

sound either

 

0:34:22.919,0:34:26.580

no

 

0:34:24.359,0:34:29.460

you know and you were talking about the

 

0:34:26.580,0:34:30.300

circling thing and that's the deal kind

 

0:34:29.460,0:34:32.339

of what

 

0:34:30.300,0:34:34.740

Corey was getting at I've actually seen

 

0:34:32.339,0:34:38.040

Bobcats use their nose

 

0:34:34.740,0:34:40.919

um I've seen Bobcats circle to the

 

0:34:38.040,0:34:44.040

downwind side of the fox Pro on a couple

 

0:34:40.919,0:34:45.240

different occasions there was uh uh just

 

0:34:44.040,0:34:47.159

a few years ago it was actually before

 

0:34:45.240,0:34:48.960

Bobcat season was in here in Kentucky

 

0:34:47.159,0:34:50.520

was in October just right when we

 

0:34:48.960,0:34:53.700

started using our prey distress sounds

 

0:34:50.520,0:34:55.919

pretty heavy I let out some howls uh

 

0:34:53.700,0:34:58.440

went into I think it was Mrs MC

 

0:34:55.919,0:35:00.300

Cottontail and sure enough Here Comes

 

0:34:58.440,0:35:02.400

something busting out of the thicket is

 

0:35:00.300,0:35:04.380

actually a grown-up intro and I was

 

0:35:02.400,0:35:06.480

filming I told Cameron guys here comes a

 

0:35:04.380,0:35:08.820

coyote what no coyote there's a great

 

0:35:06.480,0:35:10.980

big old Tom Bobcat I mean a big you know

 

0:35:08.820,0:35:12.839

one of those 30 Pounders and guess what

 

0:35:10.980,0:35:14.460

it's one of these things we couldn't do

 

0:35:12.839,0:35:16.500

nothing about besides watch it you know

 

0:35:14.460,0:35:18.540

sit back and enjoy the show

 

0:35:16.500,0:35:20.579

that cat we had a right to left

 

0:35:18.540,0:35:24.300

crosswind just perfect right to left

 

0:35:20.579,0:35:26.520

crosswind that cat came all the way to

 

0:35:24.300,0:35:30.420

the call was loping in until he got to

 

0:35:26.520,0:35:32.220

about 25 30 yards away from it he slowed

 

0:35:30.420,0:35:35.160

down to a trot and then went to a walk

 

0:35:32.220,0:35:37.200

but quit coming straight to the call he

 

0:35:35.160,0:35:39.660

actually circled out to what he was

 

0:35:37.200,0:35:42.780

right hour left to get downwind of that

 

0:35:39.660,0:35:44.760

call once he got perfectly downwind he'd

 

0:35:42.780,0:35:47.160

come straight into it now I know he

 

0:35:44.760,0:35:50.040

could smell it and could tell it wasn't

 

0:35:47.160,0:35:51.540

no rabbit and maybe smelt uh son and I

 

0:35:50.040,0:35:53.700

know but it didn't really spook him but

 

0:35:51.540,0:35:55.440

he used his nose he went why else would

 

0:35:53.700,0:35:57.599

he circle around like that on the down

 

0:35:55.440,0:35:59.880

one side right and he could actually

 

0:35:57.599,0:36:01.680

walked right up there got within about

 

0:35:59.880,0:36:03.480

two foot of the call and stretched out

 

0:36:01.680,0:36:05.640

real far and put his nose right up to it

 

0:36:03.480,0:36:08.339

was actually around a cs24c at the time

 

0:36:05.640,0:36:10.859

but he touched his nose to it turned

 

0:36:08.339,0:36:12.240

around and walked right back off and he

 

0:36:10.859,0:36:13.859

got about halfway across the field and

 

0:36:12.240,0:36:16.020

then took off running but what that

 

0:36:13.859,0:36:17.579

tells me I watched that cat circle to

 

0:36:16.020,0:36:20.220

the downwind side he didn't start

 

0:36:17.579,0:36:23.280

circling 100 yards out it was only 25 or

 

0:36:20.220,0:36:24.900

30 but he did use his nose and there's

 

0:36:23.280,0:36:28.140

also been

 

0:36:24.900,0:36:31.140

uh one occasion it sticks out my mind or

 

0:36:28.140,0:36:34.320

we had a cat that that just by accident

 

0:36:31.140,0:36:37.500

come into our scent cone sucker got

 

0:36:34.320,0:36:40.740

nervous and ran off without the

 

0:36:37.500,0:36:44.400

opportunity to ever fire a shot and man

 

0:36:40.740,0:36:46.500

I tell you what that absolutely crushes

 

0:36:44.400,0:36:48.900

your soul and it happens everything was

 

0:36:46.500,0:36:51.359

perfect except for the wind and the wind

 

0:36:48.900,0:36:52.520

cost me a bobcat I know it did for a

 

0:36:51.359,0:36:55.500

fact yeah

 

0:36:52.520,0:36:58.980

well you've seen a lot of it and so I

 

0:36:55.500,0:37:00.900

know you know you know it it and that's

 

0:36:58.980,0:37:03.000

very interesting how that cat that first

 

0:37:00.900,0:37:05.820

cat you were talking about you know how

 

0:37:03.000,0:37:09.000

he reacted to that and uh I personally

 

0:37:05.820,0:37:10.859

have never witnessed that and you know

 

0:37:09.000,0:37:12.540

that's that's very interesting I would

 

0:37:10.859,0:37:14.220

love I'd love to see something like that

 

0:37:12.540,0:37:16.619

for sure well you know it's one of those

 

0:37:14.220,0:37:18.240

things that that if we were if Bobcat

 

0:37:16.619,0:37:20.220

was in season

 

0:37:18.240,0:37:21.780

you know when he started to flare to

 

0:37:20.220,0:37:23.640

that one side like he did we'd have

 

0:37:21.780,0:37:25.859

probably got nervous and shot him so

 

0:37:23.640,0:37:28.320

right what kind of one I'm getting at is

 

0:37:25.859,0:37:29.880

us as Hunters if that cat was in season

 

0:37:28.320,0:37:31.619

we never would have got to witness that

 

0:37:29.880,0:37:33.240

because we'd have shot him too early but

 

0:37:31.619,0:37:34.680

where it was out of season all we could

 

0:37:33.240,0:37:36.839

do was just sit there and watch him just

 

0:37:34.680,0:37:38.280

let him be a cat and you know just like

 

0:37:36.839,0:37:40.380

I was talking about earlier enjoy the

 

0:37:38.280,0:37:42.119

show we learned something you know we

 

0:37:40.380,0:37:45.300

got to see that cat react to the call

 

0:37:42.119,0:37:47.160

from start to finish and and ask her to

 

0:37:45.300,0:37:49.260

move out and the cool thing was when he

 

0:37:47.160,0:37:50.640

did leave out he didn't Blaze out there

 

0:37:49.260,0:37:53.400

I mean we could have shot him a hundred

 

0:37:50.640,0:37:55.920

times but uh like I said season wasn't

 

0:37:53.400,0:37:57.300

in it was about a month about four weeks

 

0:37:55.920,0:37:59.820

too early so we just had to let him go

 

0:37:57.300,0:38:01.859

he's a big can do and the crazy thing is

 

0:37:59.820,0:38:03.240

I went back in there probably three

 

0:38:01.859,0:38:06.800

different occasions trying to call that

 

0:38:03.240,0:38:09.060

cat up that winter I never saw him

 

0:38:06.800,0:38:11.520

there were many times

 

0:38:09.060,0:38:13.980

they like to move around a little bit so

 

0:38:11.520,0:38:15.780

it's it's hard to catch them there in

 

0:38:13.980,0:38:18.119

the right on the right day sometimes

 

0:38:15.780,0:38:19.260

right right well you know kind of what

 

0:38:18.119,0:38:21.839

we're getting at here when we're talking

 

0:38:19.260,0:38:23.339

about wind for Bobcat stands actually it

 

0:38:21.839,0:38:26.160

doesn't matter if I'm calling for

 

0:38:23.339,0:38:28.079

Bobcats coyotes fox whatever

 

0:38:26.160,0:38:30.060

I'm always going to hunt the wind it's

 

0:38:28.079,0:38:31.380

just it's just a good good habit to be

 

0:38:30.060,0:38:33.599

in for sure

 

0:38:31.380,0:38:35.760

absolutely

 

0:38:33.599,0:38:38.339

well you got anything else you'd like to

 

0:38:35.760,0:38:40.020

say about Stan selection Corey

 

0:38:38.339,0:38:40.920

are you ready to move on to the good

 

0:38:40.020,0:38:43.619

stuff

 

0:38:40.920,0:38:44.760

let's move on to the good stuff yeah

 

0:38:43.619,0:38:47.339

this is why everybody's sitting here

 

0:38:44.760,0:38:49.859

thinking like yeah yeah I know scam for

 

0:38:47.339,0:38:51.619

cats yeah I know where they're at I know

 

0:38:49.859,0:38:53.460

how to set up I don't tell me what sound

 

0:38:51.619,0:38:54.839

I know y'all want to know about our

 

0:38:53.460,0:38:55.980

sounds and sequences so that's what

 

0:38:54.839,0:38:58.320

we're going to talk about we definitely

 

0:38:55.980,0:39:01.619

got our favorites that we like to use on

 

0:38:58.320,0:39:03.359

Bobcats stands I'm personally a big fan

 

0:39:01.619,0:39:05.460

of Cottontail distress sounds I'm pretty

 

0:39:03.359,0:39:09.119

sure you are too Corey

 

0:39:05.460,0:39:11.460

um I am that being said I have called in

 

0:39:09.119,0:39:14.240

cats on several other sounds of

 

0:39:11.460,0:39:16.680

Jackrabbit sounds Snowshoe hair sounds

 

0:39:14.240,0:39:17.579

various bird sounds

 

0:39:16.680,0:39:20.460

um

 

0:39:17.579,0:39:22.740

you know I've probably called in Bobcats

 

0:39:20.460,0:39:26.400

on over well over a dozen different

 

0:39:22.740,0:39:28.260

Foxpro sound files I'd say but uh let's

 

0:39:26.400,0:39:30.180

let's talk about uh let's talk about

 

0:39:28.260,0:39:33.300

your favorite sounds what's what's your

 

0:39:30.180,0:39:36.180

top favorite sounds for for Bobcats

 

0:39:33.300,0:39:37.800

uh let me let's say I'm gonna say I

 

0:39:36.180,0:39:39.000

probably got about four or five that I

 

0:39:37.800,0:39:42.480

use

 

0:39:39.000,0:39:44.880

you know very regularly if I don't if I

 

0:39:42.480,0:39:46.380

don't call on Bobcat in today on two of

 

0:39:44.880,0:39:47.460

my top sounds I might switch it up

 

0:39:46.380,0:39:50.880

tomorrow

 

0:39:47.460,0:39:52.859

on two of my other top sounds but my

 

0:39:50.880,0:39:55.500

all-time favorite

 

0:39:52.859,0:39:58.079

right now is Mrs Nick Cottontail that is

 

0:39:55.500,0:40:01.619

mine that I all-time favorite right now

 

0:39:58.079,0:40:03.540

it's worked really well I really like

 

0:40:01.619,0:40:06.540

I really like the Rhythm in it I like

 

0:40:03.540,0:40:08.280

how it goes high and low it's got some

 

0:40:06.540,0:40:11.359

raspy in it and it's got a lot of high

 

0:40:08.280,0:40:14.460

pitch got a little short pauses in it

 

0:40:11.359,0:40:17.280

yes yes it's just a really good sound

 

0:40:14.460,0:40:20.820

and it's a really good sound to

 

0:40:17.280,0:40:22.920

use your volume with it it just you know

 

0:40:20.820,0:40:26.400

it just it has that just certain Rhythm

 

0:40:22.920,0:40:29.040

where you can use that remote to bump

 

0:40:26.400,0:40:31.680

the sound up with the Rhythm and kind of

 

0:40:29.040,0:40:34.980

come back down you know with your volume

 

0:40:31.680,0:40:36.660

with the Rhythm so it it works very well

 

0:40:34.980,0:40:40.020

for that

 

0:40:36.660,0:40:41.540

um my next one would be kg Cottontail kg

 

0:40:40.020,0:40:44.359

Cottontail has

 

0:40:41.540,0:40:47.400

killed probably just as many

 

0:40:44.359,0:40:51.180

Bobcats for me

 

0:40:47.400,0:40:53.930

as Mrs Nick Cottontail uh so I use those

 

0:40:51.180,0:40:55.320

two sounds simultaneously and

 

0:40:53.930,0:40:58.740

[Music]

 

0:40:55.320,0:41:00.839

I probably could move kg Cottontail to

 

0:40:58.740,0:41:03.660

the top of my list if I played it

 

0:41:00.839,0:41:05.940

usually first I don't know why I I just

 

0:41:03.660,0:41:06.980

like playing Mrs misses the Cottontail

 

0:41:05.940,0:41:11.540

first

 

0:41:06.980,0:41:15.380

so those are my top two uh I really like

 

0:41:11.540,0:41:18.359

baby Cottontail the

 

0:41:15.380,0:41:22.140

b-a-y-b-e-e cocktail that's a b

 

0:41:18.359,0:41:24.900

Cottondale yes sir that is that is

 

0:41:22.140,0:41:26.099

definitely on my top five

 

0:41:24.900,0:41:29.880

um

 

0:41:26.099,0:41:33.300

and I really like there there's just so

 

0:41:29.880,0:41:36.720

many good ones uh I really like the uh

 

0:41:33.300,0:41:39.240

social HP that's another good one yeah

 

0:41:36.720,0:41:42.540

you know that I that I put in that top

 

0:41:39.240,0:41:44.700

five and also Eastern cottontails so

 

0:41:42.540,0:41:47.040

those would be my top fives yeah yeah

 

0:41:44.700,0:41:51.060

we're pretty similar I'll tell you my

 

0:41:47.040,0:41:53.400

top five or in in no order here uh baby

 

0:41:51.060,0:41:55.920

Cottontail which you mentioned cagey

 

0:41:53.400,0:41:58.440

Cottontail which you mentioned Mrs MC

 

0:41:55.920,0:42:01.280

Cottontail which you mentioned

 

0:41:58.440,0:42:03.780

um Snowshoe hair HP

 

0:42:01.280,0:42:05.460

Snowshoe hair too

 

0:42:03.780,0:42:07.859

that's a good one that's a really good

 

0:42:05.460,0:42:09.900

one and then then two others that a lot

 

0:42:07.859,0:42:11.700

of people really don't think about and I

 

0:42:09.900,0:42:12.540

want to throw uh eastern cottontail in

 

0:42:11.700,0:42:14.520

there

 

0:42:12.540,0:42:16.380

um I think I said something new about

 

0:42:14.520,0:42:17.760

Eastern cocktail what four five six

 

0:42:16.380,0:42:19.380

years ago or something you know I

 

0:42:17.760,0:42:21.780

mentioned man I've gotten all kinds of

 

0:42:19.380,0:42:24.720

an eastern cottontail uh it's it's

 

0:42:21.780,0:42:26.579

always been a really good solid cat uh

 

0:42:24.720,0:42:29.880

sound for me actually the two Kentucky

 

0:42:26.579,0:42:31.079

cats that I killed last season both I

 

0:42:29.880,0:42:32.760

think one of them actually came to

 

0:42:31.079,0:42:35.339

Lightning Jack and one of them come to

 

0:42:32.760,0:42:36.960

uh eastern cottontail uh but that's

 

0:42:35.339,0:42:38.880

another one Lightning Jack and

 

0:42:36.960,0:42:40.680

Jackrabbit distress are pretty good

 

0:42:38.880,0:42:43.560

honorable mentions a lot of people don't

 

0:42:40.680,0:42:45.900

think of those for for uh Bobcats but

 

0:42:43.560,0:42:48.900

they're really good sounds

 

0:42:45.900,0:42:50.940

um I I usually like save Lightning Jack

 

0:42:48.900,0:42:53.040

like when I do play it in a sequence I'm

 

0:42:50.940,0:42:55.560

usually putting it towards the back just

 

0:42:53.040,0:42:57.000

to to create that urgency you know or

 

0:42:55.560,0:43:00.060

whatever because it's loud and

 

0:42:57.000,0:43:02.400

fast-paced and you got a lot of you know

 

0:43:00.060,0:43:04.579

depth to it it's going up and down and

 

0:43:02.400,0:43:06.839

all that type of stuff and then those

 

0:43:04.579,0:43:09.119

Jackrabbit the stress is the same way

 

0:43:06.839,0:43:11.400

it's it gets without having to work your

 

0:43:09.119,0:43:13.380

volume you know that sound gets loud and

 

0:43:11.400,0:43:16.619

gets quiet gets like and I think that

 

0:43:13.380,0:43:18.119

stuff really pays off for cats seems

 

0:43:16.619,0:43:20.520

like

 

0:43:18.119,0:43:23.819

they're very busy sounds you know it

 

0:43:20.520,0:43:25.560

keeps it keeps attention and that and

 

0:43:23.819,0:43:27.060

that's probably the the best way to

 

0:43:25.560,0:43:30.240

describe it I've always tried to tell

 

0:43:27.060,0:43:33.180

people that any of your favorite rabbit

 

0:43:30.240,0:43:35.760

style sounds that are very busy it's got

 

0:43:33.180,0:43:37.440

a lot going on usually they're it's

 

0:43:35.760,0:43:39.420

going to be good for a cat you can't

 

0:43:37.440,0:43:41.220

hardly resist coming to them and I

 

0:43:39.420,0:43:43.380

honestly think if you do get set up on

 

0:43:41.220,0:43:45.060

cats and they don't know you're there

 

0:43:43.380,0:43:46.500

you're set up close enough to them you

 

0:43:45.060,0:43:48.300

can play about any kind of prey distress

 

0:43:46.500,0:43:50.700

down they're probably gonna come he's

 

0:43:48.300,0:43:52.680

just going to do it but yeah definitely

 

0:43:50.700,0:43:55.680

definitely have her favorites and and

 

0:43:52.680,0:43:56.760

we've kind of named them off there but

 

0:43:55.680,0:43:59.819

um

 

0:43:56.760,0:44:02.400

you said that you've kind of moved Mrs

 

0:43:59.819,0:44:03.720

mccottontail now is the first sound that

 

0:44:02.400,0:44:06.900

you usually play

 

0:44:03.720,0:44:09.359

uh-huh I do uh what kind of volume you

 

0:44:06.900,0:44:12.720

usually starting out with on that

 

0:44:09.359,0:44:16.500

uh I usually start out about 50 volume

 

0:44:12.720,0:44:19.260

being you know running the x24 so that'd

 

0:44:16.500,0:44:22.319

be right around 20 yeah you know on my

 

0:44:19.260,0:44:24.000

on my volume uh that's usually about my

 

0:44:22.319,0:44:28.380

starting point and it kind of depends on

 

0:44:24.000,0:44:30.780

terrain too uh it's it depends on you

 

0:44:28.380,0:44:32.880

know it's it's open behind the area that

 

0:44:30.780,0:44:35.400

I'm that I'm looking to hunt you know I

 

0:44:32.880,0:44:37.920

might I might bump it up a little louder

 

0:44:35.400,0:44:39.180

um than that but if it if you know if I

 

0:44:37.920,0:44:41.520

have a big Ridge behind where I'm

 

0:44:39.180,0:44:45.720

hunting or out in front of me I guess I

 

0:44:41.520,0:44:49.980

should say uh I might I might even start

 

0:44:45.720,0:44:51.900

off at 16 or 18 on on my fox Pro but

 

0:44:49.980,0:44:54.660

somewhere's right in that area anywhere

 

0:44:51.900,0:44:58.680

between 16 and 22 is probably where I'm

 

0:44:54.660,0:45:00.839

going to start right right so uh tell us

 

0:44:58.680,0:45:04.800

what how many different prey distress

 

0:45:00.839,0:45:06.780

sounds will you run on a stand and and

 

0:45:04.800,0:45:09.240

how long of a stand are you usually

 

0:45:06.780,0:45:12.180

making you know like just give us a give

 

0:45:09.240,0:45:13.700

us a typical choreograph uh bobcat sound

 

0:45:12.180,0:45:17.640

sequence

 

0:45:13.700,0:45:19.440

okay well if it's a dry stand I'll take

 

0:45:17.640,0:45:21.300

you through the whole yeah you know from

 

0:45:19.440,0:45:22.859

start to finish what you know because

 

0:45:21.300,0:45:24.540

there is those times that you do call

 

0:45:22.859,0:45:27.300

them in towards on the end of your stand

 

0:45:24.540,0:45:30.359

so oh yeah go ahead and tell us what you

 

0:45:27.300,0:45:33.720

watch your stands looks like

 

0:45:30.359,0:45:36.420

so my stand is going to consist of I I

 

0:45:33.720,0:45:38.819

already got a idea in mind how long I'm

 

0:45:36.420,0:45:41.640

going to sit there uh it's usually going

 

0:45:38.819,0:45:44.400

to be 20 to 25 minutes I'm no longer

 

0:45:41.640,0:45:46.140

than 25 and it's probably really not

 

0:45:44.400,0:45:48.480

going to be much longer than 20. I don't

 

0:45:46.140,0:45:51.119

I don't like sitting that long but uh

 

0:45:48.480,0:45:52.440

that's just personal preference but I'm

 

0:45:51.119,0:45:54.300

gonna start out with my Mrs Nick

 

0:45:52.440,0:45:56.040

Cottontail that's my number one sound

 

0:45:54.300,0:45:58.980

that I pushed to the top

 

0:45:56.040,0:46:01.440

and that's kind of personal preference

 

0:45:58.980,0:46:02.700

too a lot of guys I know some guys only

 

0:46:01.440,0:46:04.680

want to run

 

0:46:02.700,0:46:06.660

you know short bursts two or three

 

0:46:04.680,0:46:08.520

minutes me personally

 

0:46:06.660,0:46:11.579

I'm gonna run that sound somewhere

 

0:46:08.520,0:46:14.280

between four and six minutes

 

0:46:11.579,0:46:15.420

um ramping the volume up and down while

 

0:46:14.280,0:46:17.480

I'm

 

0:46:15.420,0:46:20.160

while I'm in that four to six minutes

 

0:46:17.480,0:46:23.160

and then when I transition to my next

 

0:46:20.160,0:46:26.640

call or my next sound which is going to

 

0:46:23.160,0:46:29.640

be kg Cottontail most likely sometimes I

 

0:46:26.640,0:46:34.020

might move to a that baby Cottontail or

 

0:46:29.640,0:46:35.520

that HP Cottontail or HP uh Snowshoe

 

0:46:34.020,0:46:36.180

excuse me right

 

0:46:35.520,0:46:39.300

um

 

0:46:36.180,0:46:42.420

but I might give it a little pause in

 

0:46:39.300,0:46:44.880

between those two sounds I might just

 

0:46:42.420,0:46:46.619

shut it off and uh

 

0:46:44.880,0:46:51.000

sit there for about

 

0:46:46.619,0:46:54.780

20 30 40 seconds before I go into my

 

0:46:51.000,0:46:57.180

next sound uh and you and I've talked

 

0:46:54.780,0:46:59.480

about that before in the past you know

 

0:46:57.180,0:47:02.520

there's a lot of times those pauses

 

0:46:59.480,0:47:05.099

might might shake a cat loose if you had

 

0:47:02.520,0:47:07.859

one sitting out there on his butt off in

 

0:47:05.099,0:47:10.920

the shadows that you couldn't see uh

 

0:47:07.859,0:47:12.900

that happens a lot either with the

 

0:47:10.920,0:47:15.240

decoys still spinning

 

0:47:12.900,0:47:17.640

you know and you start that sound back

 

0:47:15.240,0:47:20.160

up I don't know what it is it it

 

0:47:17.640,0:47:23.280

sometimes it triggers a cat to get up

 

0:47:20.160,0:47:25.740

off his rear end and say hey what

 

0:47:23.280,0:47:30.060

happened what's going on here right and

 

0:47:25.740,0:47:31.920

uh so kind of the same thing I'll get

 

0:47:30.060,0:47:35.579

into that cagey Cottontail or my next

 

0:47:31.920,0:47:38.900

town whatever it may be and I'm gonna

 

0:47:35.579,0:47:41.280

run it for another four to six minutes

 

0:47:38.900,0:47:44.040

and then I'm getting kind of antsy

 

0:47:41.280,0:47:47.880

because uh here now I'm you know 10 to

 

0:47:44.040,0:47:51.839

12 to 13 minutes in you're like

 

0:47:47.880,0:47:54.240

yeah now now I'm fishing so

 

0:47:51.839,0:47:57.119

I'm gonna go to a higher pitch sound and

 

0:47:54.240,0:48:00.300

that's going to be that Snowshoe HP I

 

0:47:57.119,0:48:02.700

really like how loud it is or now I want

 

0:48:00.300,0:48:05.520

to get that sound out there because I'm

 

0:48:02.700,0:48:09.119

pretty for sure that I don't have a cat

 

0:48:05.520,0:48:10.440

you know within 100 yards of where I'm

 

0:48:09.119,0:48:12.660

at because

 

0:48:10.440,0:48:14.280

he hasn't showed up yet so I'm gonna

 

0:48:12.660,0:48:16.819

throw that sound out there

 

0:48:14.280,0:48:19.079

a little bit higher

 

0:48:16.819,0:48:22.619

Snowshoe HP is kind of a loud sound

 

0:48:19.079,0:48:25.380

anyway even on 50 volume so it's a good

 

0:48:22.619,0:48:28.020

sound for me to get further into my

 

0:48:25.380,0:48:30.300

colon stand and

 

0:48:28.020,0:48:31.859

like I said I'm fishing at this point so

 

0:48:30.300,0:48:34.560

I'm really throwing that sound out there

 

0:48:31.859,0:48:39.720

and I may run it you know another four

 

0:48:34.560,0:48:41.520

five six minutes volume up and down oh

 

0:48:39.720,0:48:43.560

and then at that point you know it's

 

0:48:41.520,0:48:45.780

you're you're about throwing for a Hail

 

0:48:43.560,0:48:48.480

Mary I'm getting the closest end of my

 

0:48:45.780,0:48:50.220

stand you know 20 25 minutes you've

 

0:48:48.480,0:48:53.700

already thought about the next hand

 

0:48:50.220,0:48:54.839

oh yeah I'm I'm already my pickups are

 

0:48:53.700,0:48:57.720

already fired up and we're headed down

 

0:48:54.839,0:49:00.839

the road yeah yeah yeah well you know I

 

0:48:57.720,0:49:03.900

I tell you what we're extremely similar

 

0:49:00.839,0:49:05.400

um I'll even only make it depends on the

 

0:49:03.900,0:49:07.500

stand location but there are some stands

 

0:49:05.400,0:49:10.079

I won't make 15 minutes you know if it's

 

0:49:07.500,0:49:12.599

a if it's just a small Thicket where I

 

0:49:10.079,0:49:14.700

think we'll hold a cat you know that the

 

0:49:12.599,0:49:16.319

cat's got to show up quick if he ain't

 

0:49:14.700,0:49:17.700

turn 15 minutes I'm gone you know

 

0:49:16.319,0:49:19.859

there's no way for me to come a long

 

0:49:17.700,0:49:22.740

ways off why I sit there for 45 minutes

 

0:49:19.859,0:49:24.240

you know he will come right so usually

 

0:49:22.740,0:49:26.520

I'm running anywhere from three to five

 

0:49:24.240,0:49:29.640

different prey distress sounds pretty

 

0:49:26.520,0:49:31.140

much just like you 15 to 25 minute stand

 

0:49:29.640,0:49:34.440

you know like I said depending on the

 

0:49:31.140,0:49:36.180

location and the same type of thing I'm

 

0:49:34.440,0:49:39.780

running each sound for four to six

 

0:49:36.180,0:49:41.940

minutes and pretty much the same

 

0:49:39.780,0:49:44.520

sequences you I'll either start out with

 

0:49:41.940,0:49:46.680

Mrs MC Cottontail or cagey Cottontail

 

0:49:44.520,0:49:48.240

run for four to six minutes and I'm

 

0:49:46.680,0:49:49.980

doing that pause just like you was

 

0:49:48.240,0:49:52.020

talked about I like to pause in between

 

0:49:49.980,0:49:54.720

sounds for about anywhere from 20 to 40

 

0:49:52.020,0:49:57.720

seconds and it always seems like to me

 

0:49:54.720,0:50:00.060

the majority of the cats that we kill if

 

0:49:57.720,0:50:02.940

they do not show up to that first sound

 

0:50:00.060,0:50:05.220

when you pause for that 20 or 40 seconds

 

0:50:02.940,0:50:08.400

and then start up that second sound

 

0:50:05.220,0:50:09.780

whether it be Mrs MC Cottontail cagey

 

0:50:08.400,0:50:12.240

Cottontail eastern cottontail whatever

 

0:50:09.780,0:50:14.099

that second sound is if they didn't show

 

0:50:12.240,0:50:17.099

up that first one they're going to show

 

0:50:14.099,0:50:18.720

up within a minute or so and coming hard

 

0:50:17.099,0:50:20.819

during that second just because like

 

0:50:18.720,0:50:23.040

what you said it's almost like they feel

 

0:50:20.819,0:50:24.599

like they lost that rabbit they lost

 

0:50:23.040,0:50:26.520

that opportunity to get it when that

 

0:50:24.599,0:50:28.740

that pause was there so when that next

 

0:50:26.520,0:50:31.800

sound starts up and it's a different

 

0:50:28.740,0:50:33.180

pitch different Cadence you know total

 

0:50:31.800,0:50:34.680

different sound to them man they can't

 

0:50:33.180,0:50:35.460

they can't stand it they gotta run in

 

0:50:34.680,0:50:37.500

there and get it because they don't want

 

0:50:35.460,0:50:39.420

to lose another rabbit seems like but

 

0:50:37.500,0:50:41.520

the rest of it is just like you I'm just

 

0:50:39.420,0:50:43.020

kind of children and intensity as it

 

0:50:41.520,0:50:45.660

goes on

 

0:50:43.020,0:50:47.940

you know cagey Cottontail Mrs MC

 

0:50:45.660,0:50:49.559

Cottontail and I might even throw one

 

0:50:47.940,0:50:51.540

more Cottontail in there if I'm feeling

 

0:50:49.559,0:50:53.640

saucy you know a eastern cottontail or

 

0:50:51.540,0:50:55.859

whatever but then after that I'm bumping

 

0:50:53.640,0:50:58.140

it up I'm going to Snowshoe hair HP

 

0:50:55.859,0:50:59.880

nothing shows up I'm finishing with

 

0:50:58.140,0:51:01.140

Lightning Jack just building that

 

0:50:59.880,0:51:03.180

intensity because we all know how

 

0:51:01.140,0:51:06.480

lightning Jackie is that sucker's

 

0:51:03.180,0:51:08.400

screaming it's fast paced you know you

 

0:51:06.480,0:51:10.140

know if I was a bobcat or a coyote when

 

0:51:08.400,0:51:11.700

lightning Jack's playing I feel like

 

0:51:10.140,0:51:13.500

running that turn biting on a thing to

 

0:51:11.700,0:51:15.119

get shut up because it's you know it's

 

0:51:13.500,0:51:16.680

it's just one of those type sounds you

 

0:51:15.119,0:51:19.260

know what I mean so and a lot of times

 

0:51:16.680,0:51:21.240

just like you saying when you get to

 

0:51:19.260,0:51:23.040

those lighter lighter sounds and later

 

0:51:21.240,0:51:24.720

in the sequence sometimes they will

 

0:51:23.040,0:51:26.099

break them and they will come right in

 

0:51:24.720,0:51:29.819

there

 

0:51:26.099,0:51:32.160

I was I I was on a stand it's probably

 

0:51:29.819,0:51:35.579

been about three years ago or so

 

0:51:32.160,0:51:37.559

I run probably for 20 25 minutes and I

 

0:51:35.579,0:51:40.980

gave up on the stand but

 

0:51:37.559,0:51:43.619

I shut the call off in the uh

 

0:51:40.980,0:51:45.599

the decoy was still spinning on the on

 

0:51:43.619,0:51:47.880

the Foxpro there

 

0:51:45.599,0:51:50.099

and I got my phone out of my pocket and

 

0:51:47.880,0:51:51.359

I had a message or something I was just

 

0:51:50.099,0:51:53.640

sitting there reading my message going

 

0:51:51.359,0:51:55.319

through my phone and heard something

 

0:51:53.640,0:51:57.599

coming down the fence row that I was

 

0:51:55.319,0:51:59.640

sitting on and now it pops this bobcat

 

0:51:57.599,0:52:02.579

and it heads right to the

 

0:51:59.640,0:52:04.619

to the fox Pro and it wasn't even on

 

0:52:02.579,0:52:06.059

there's no telling there's no telling

 

0:52:04.619,0:52:08.099

how long it's been sitting there you

 

0:52:06.059,0:52:09.839

know down the fence row where I lost it

 

0:52:08.099,0:52:11.460

lost that sound but do you still did you

 

0:52:09.839,0:52:13.559

still have the decoy going

 

0:52:11.460,0:52:14.819

still have the decoy going yep you just

 

0:52:13.559,0:52:16.740

come right to the side of that well tell

 

0:52:14.819,0:52:18.839

us about decoys you like running decoys

 

0:52:16.740,0:52:21.839

on all your Bobcat sets

 

0:52:18.839,0:52:25.559

I love running decoy on Bobcat set yes

 

0:52:21.839,0:52:28.020

it's it's uh just about a must-have for

 

0:52:25.559,0:52:30.960

me anymore and I've called bobcats in

 

0:52:28.020,0:52:34.200

without a decoy matter of fact I've got

 

0:52:30.960,0:52:37.619

I took some videos last year a couple

 

0:52:34.200,0:52:40.760

Bobcats that I called in after

 

0:52:37.619,0:52:43.500

um after seasoning I remember that yeah

 

0:52:40.760,0:52:46.020

and it was just I didn't have my decoy

 

0:52:43.500,0:52:47.880

you know on my x24 and you know about

 

0:52:46.020,0:52:51.119

jet season was over with so I took it

 

0:52:47.880,0:52:53.579

off and had both them cats literally

 

0:52:51.119,0:52:55.740

walked up and sniffed sniffed the comb

 

0:52:53.579,0:52:57.359

and then one cat took off running the

 

0:52:55.740,0:52:59.760

other one just sit there and just kind

 

0:52:57.359,0:53:02.819

of looked at it but uh yeah it's a must

 

0:52:59.760,0:53:05.220

yep it's a must for Bobcat

 

0:53:02.819,0:53:07.260

you know do you run it continuously when

 

0:53:05.220,0:53:11.059

you start sound or you intermittently

 

0:53:07.260,0:53:11.059

turn it on and off or what do you do

 

0:53:14.960,0:53:19.440

uh I really love having our new X decoy

 

0:53:18.359,0:53:22.339

that we have

 

0:53:19.440,0:53:26.160

uh has you know the two position

 

0:53:22.339,0:53:29.460

uh on it has a high and a low yeah and

 

0:53:26.160,0:53:31.920

uh I really like the low setting that's

 

0:53:29.460,0:53:34.140

just personal preference just what I

 

0:53:31.920,0:53:38.640

think is is better

 

0:53:34.140,0:53:40.200

um and I like to drape my decoy over the

 

0:53:38.640,0:53:42.000

speaker just a little bit gives it a

 

0:53:40.200,0:53:45.300

little bit more action yeah you know

 

0:53:42.000,0:53:46.740

with kind of like a 45 degree angle and

 

0:53:45.300,0:53:49.260

Pitch forward a little bit

 

0:53:46.740,0:53:50.940

yeah and uh yeah I'm kind of

 

0:53:49.260,0:53:53.400

intermediate I'll shut it off and turn

 

0:53:50.940,0:53:55.920

it back on every once in a while uh

 

0:53:53.400,0:53:57.720

definitely I'll try to shut it off if I

 

0:53:55.920,0:54:00.540

can if I have a coyote come in I'm not

 

0:53:57.720,0:54:01.380

big on coyotes and decoys but I know a

 

0:54:00.540,0:54:03.420

lot of guys

 

0:54:01.380,0:54:05.819

like them and they do work for coyotes

 

0:54:03.420,0:54:07.980

but Bobcat since we're talking about

 

0:54:05.819,0:54:09.059

Bobcat absolutely it's going to be

 

0:54:07.980,0:54:10.980

running

 

0:54:09.059,0:54:12.420

awesome stuff I think we should before

 

0:54:10.980,0:54:13.619

we get off here we're towards the end

 

0:54:12.420,0:54:15.660

but I think we should say something

 

0:54:13.619,0:54:17.220

about shot placement on Bobcats because

 

0:54:15.660,0:54:19.140

those suckers will run on you if you

 

0:54:17.220,0:54:21.240

don't hit them right you want to give us

 

0:54:19.140,0:54:22.440

how you like to put your bullet in on

 

0:54:21.240,0:54:25.859

these cats

 

0:54:22.440,0:54:28.859

well if I've got a cat that's facing me

 

0:54:25.859,0:54:31.800

it's Square chest I'm I'm putting I'm

 

0:54:28.859,0:54:34.440

putting my crosshairs Square on his

 

0:54:31.800,0:54:36.300

chest and and he ain't gonna get up from

 

0:54:34.440,0:54:38.819

that uh that's probably one of my

 

0:54:36.300,0:54:40.740

favorite shots on a bobcat and even

 

0:54:38.819,0:54:43.619

though it's a small

 

0:54:40.740,0:54:45.660

little Target size of a pop can even on

 

0:54:43.619,0:54:48.240

a 35 pounder

 

0:54:45.660,0:54:50.099

you know that if you hit a cat squaring

 

0:54:48.240,0:54:53.839

the chest it's it's probably not going

 

0:54:50.099,0:54:57.599

to get up yeah broadside

 

0:54:53.839,0:54:59.819

broadside's real real touchy and and uh

 

0:54:57.599,0:55:02.760

I'm I like to catch a little bit of

 

0:54:59.819,0:55:05.160

shoulder you know John on my Bobcats I

 

0:55:02.760,0:55:06.960

like try to I like to try to put that

 

0:55:05.160,0:55:08.819

you know I'm saying try to put it right

 

0:55:06.960,0:55:11.460

through both shoulders if you can just

 

0:55:08.819,0:55:13.880

Square yeah Center punt shoulder

 

0:55:11.460,0:55:17.400

well if you don't answer or bobcat down

 

0:55:13.880,0:55:18.599

and you have a good pass through behind

 

0:55:17.400,0:55:21.599

the shoulder

 

0:55:18.599,0:55:23.880

that cat's gonna have enough nine lives

 

0:55:21.599,0:55:25.079

in him to probably get somewhere and

 

0:55:23.880,0:55:27.480

you're going to have to be hunting for

 

0:55:25.079,0:55:29.880

him man that's tough They Don't Really

 

0:55:27.480,0:55:32.220

bleed all that much when they take off

 

0:55:29.880,0:55:35.099

and the thing is once they do lay down

 

0:55:32.220,0:55:36.720

and expire they are blending in it is

 

0:55:35.099,0:55:38.640

tough to find them you'll you'll

 

0:55:36.720,0:55:40.740

practically step on them to find them I

 

0:55:38.640,0:55:42.900

mean it's they're blending so well so

 

0:55:40.740,0:55:45.240

and another bad thing if you hit it on

 

0:55:42.900,0:55:46.800

back here in the rib somewhere you can

 

0:55:45.240,0:55:48.540

take a pretty good chance of blowing a

 

0:55:46.800,0:55:49.740

humongous hole in the things I don't

 

0:55:48.540,0:55:51.180

know what it is you can hit them in the

 

0:55:49.740,0:55:52.980

chest and the shoulders with the biggest

 

0:55:51.180,0:55:55.380

gun out there and they don't do nothing

 

0:55:52.980,0:55:56.640

to them you hit one two inches behind

 

0:55:55.380,0:55:59.480

the shoulder it looks like you threw a

 

0:55:56.640,0:56:02.099

football through them sometimes yeah

 

0:55:59.480,0:56:04.619

these vomit boards are pretty mean on

 

0:56:02.099,0:56:07.079

them them light hides like that yeah

 

0:56:04.619,0:56:09.839

that's good stuff yeah if they're facing

 

0:56:07.079,0:56:11.880

you squaring a chest broadside try to

 

0:56:09.839,0:56:13.440

put it in the shoulders center punch the

 

0:56:11.880,0:56:16.079

shoulders you'll anchor that cat down

 

0:56:13.440,0:56:18.359

and you'll be you'll be pretty happy you

 

0:56:16.079,0:56:19.740

get behind the shoulder now it can drop

 

0:56:18.359,0:56:21.180

them I've dropped them like it you know

 

0:56:19.740,0:56:23.400

pulled a shot hit by the shoulder and

 

0:56:21.180,0:56:25.260

they drop but you're talking about 50

 

0:56:23.400,0:56:26.700

percent there fifty percent of time

 

0:56:25.260,0:56:28.859

they're gonna run off and usually about

 

0:56:26.700,0:56:30.839

a leap they'll jump 10 foot in the air

 

0:56:28.859,0:56:32.960

hit the ground take off running it's as

 

0:56:30.839,0:56:35.700

hard as it can be

 

0:56:32.960,0:56:37.200

and you're hot you're hard your heart

 

0:56:35.700,0:56:39.440

just sinks to your knees when that

 

0:56:37.200,0:56:41.520

happens

 

0:56:39.440,0:56:43.800

yes it does

 

0:56:41.520,0:56:45.359

well don't Corey I think we pretty much

 

0:56:43.800,0:56:48.240

covered it all you got anything you'd

 

0:56:45.359,0:56:52.440

like to say of course close this out

 

0:56:48.240,0:56:54.599

oh man uh really I think we touched on a

 

0:56:52.440,0:56:57.119

lot of things I just hope everybody has

 

0:56:54.599,0:56:59.940

a good safe season this year and and

 

0:56:57.119,0:57:02.040

take what John and I are trying to teach

 

0:56:59.940,0:57:04.559

you to the field and I just hope

 

0:57:02.040,0:57:06.540

everybody has great success with it yeah

 

0:57:04.559,0:57:08.220

yeah and share those show share those

 

0:57:06.540,0:57:11.099

cat pictures we love seeing them too we

 

0:57:08.220,0:57:13.020

love seeing everybody be successful you

 

0:57:11.099,0:57:15.440

bet you well I'll tell you what you know

 

0:57:13.020,0:57:19.200

we pretty much said it scouting

 

0:57:15.440,0:57:21.059

smartstand selection and solid calling

 

0:57:19.200,0:57:23.700

you put all that together you know

 

0:57:21.059,0:57:25.859

proper sounds and sound sequences go

 

0:57:23.700,0:57:27.420

with that scouting and stand selection

 

0:57:25.859,0:57:29.040

you're going to increase your odds of

 

0:57:27.420,0:57:31.140

tagging some Bobcats this year you know

 

0:57:29.040,0:57:33.240

it's a it's an amazing sight to witness

 

0:57:31.140,0:57:35.339

a bobcat come to the call sometimes they

 

0:57:33.240,0:57:36.660

sneak in you know the stalking the call

 

0:57:35.339,0:57:38.220

and other times they come running in

 

0:57:36.660,0:57:39.540

just like a coyote

 

0:57:38.220,0:57:42.619

they'll tell you what everyone up

 

0:57:39.540,0:57:42.619

special Auntie Corey

 

0:57:43.160,0:57:46.980

those coyote memories can kind of get

 

0:57:45.420,0:57:48.599

dull or fuzzy every once in a while but

 

0:57:46.980,0:57:51.240

you remember everyone that Bobcats don't

 

0:57:48.599,0:57:54.300

you oh yes sir I can tell you everyone

 

0:57:51.240,0:57:56.339

I've killed that's exactly right well I

 

0:57:54.300,0:57:58.500

appreciate you being on here buddy

 

0:57:56.339,0:58:00.599

I thank you John we hope everyone

 

0:57:58.500,0:58:04.220

enjoyed this episode we hope you join us

 

0:58:00.599,0:58:04.220

again right here on the Foxpro podcast