Jon Collins and Erik Hammond discuss the differences and similarities between nighttime and daytime coyote hunting.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast this
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is John Collins and we've got Foxpro
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field staffer Eric Hammond joining us
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the topic for this episode is daytime
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versus night time coyote hunting this is
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going to be a good one for sure Eric
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thanks for jumping on here with us today
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bud
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no problem John
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what's uh what's going on up your neck
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of the woods today
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oh it's it's pouring rain out there
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today me and the dogs are pretty much
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just sitting in the house looking out
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the window watching it rain perfect day
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to do a podcast right that's right and I
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know you guys are dry too you know like
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us we've been bad bad dry we've actually
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been having some fires popping up down
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in this country so the
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um the the rain is definitely welcome
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that's for sure
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um all right Eric you want to tell us a
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little bit about yourselves or listeners
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know who Eric Hammond is okay
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um 42 years old I was born and raised in
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Huntington Vermont on a dairy farm
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I've got my hunting license when I was
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13 years old
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um worked on
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did body work working on cars for 21
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years of my life with all the snow we
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got up there all that Collision work
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um didn't start hunting coyotes till my
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mid-20s
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ran hounds for a couple years with my
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buddy's dad
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and then my buddy's dad had some coyote
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calls hanging on us shifter in his truck
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and I asked him what those were and he
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said those are coyote calls and I was
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like you're gonna have to show me that
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so he took me out a few times and I was
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hooked right off the bat and I just kind
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of run with it
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awesome awesome you know what that
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you're talking about doing body work up
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here in Vermont and snow and stuff I'm
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sure there's plenty of rust
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that was one of my stipulations John
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with jobs is I don't work weekends and I
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don't do Rush jobs I don't blame you
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especially on weekend stuff
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yeah I mean you got to draw the line
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somewhere right that's right and uh guys
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and gals just to add to that you know
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there's definitely a reason why I
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invited Eric on for this particular
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episode Eric is an excellent coyote
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caller he hunts both daytime and night
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time he definitely doesn't shy away from
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either he loves them both and finds tons
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of success pretty much no matter when he
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goes Colin Eric's also a dang good
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Whitetail Hunter but we'll save that for
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another episode But Eric you ready to
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jump right into it sounds good
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here's my first question for you
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when or which did you start hunting
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first daytime or night time
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uh I was calling just strictly daytime
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for just about 10 years before I even
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went out at night I never even in
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Vermont there they you're not allowed to
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use lights or anything and I wasn't big
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on the night vision and didn't know
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about the thermals or anything so I was
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just strictly day hunting and I would I
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was having a good time killing them and
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stuff and uh but I've been night hunting
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now for about five years going on six I
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got to what uh what got you in what or
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who I got you into night honey well
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basically the
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Ben and Kyle from Virginia
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um they had got picked up as Fox Pro
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field staff and we had started chatting
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and uh Ben and Kyle had come up to
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Vermont to hunt and uh just kind of
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opened my eyes to
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the night world really and how
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productive
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calling at night could be I think the
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first night me and Ben and Kyle went out
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I think Kyle might have counted 30 or 40
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coyotes right right you didn't know you
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had another coyotes around right
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I didn't I didn't and uh it was a lot of
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fun it was definitely different for me
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um but I feel like I was introduced to
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it from a couple of the best in the game
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oh you definitely definitely were and
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for you guys that don't know who he's
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taught me it's Benton Bowman and Kyle
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krickenberger uh very accomplished
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coyote Hunters big in the uh coyote uh
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calling competition world has won some
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of the biggest competitions there is
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actually won the uh U.S Predator calling
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Championship where they had to compete
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in the big Eastern tournament uh a
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Midwest tournament and a western
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tournament and they you know they got
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first place in that so that's big time
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uh big big names in the in the coyote
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calling World especially nighttime stuff
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yeah they don't mess around no some of
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the best best who's ever done it for
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sure
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right that's a good that's that's some
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good teachers that's some good people to
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introduce you to it you start off with a
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home run for sure
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yeah I know they had come up a couple
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years in a row and the first year they
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come up I had never used a thermal or
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even looked through one and then the
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following year by the time they come up
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the next year I had my own right you're
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right that you didn't take you long to
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go ahead and jump right into the game
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huh no well it's good to be well-rounded
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right you know and day hunting can be
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real good scouting
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for night hunting so you know being a
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day Hunter and I know there's coyotes in
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a spot that I you know wasn't able to
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call in during the daytime or they were
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hung up on me being able to go in there
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at night
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it was a game changer right right well
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since we're kind of on that subject
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there what do you see
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um of course a lot of us do know this
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but what do you see as the main
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differences
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the size for the obvious when it comes
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to daytime hunting versus nighttime
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hunting
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well there's a lot of differences John
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um
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I think daytime
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it's a little tougher of a grind
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um
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there's a lot of variables hey you can
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almost throw out the window during that
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you know during the day
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that you don't have to worry about at
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night right
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um and this is just from my experiences
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personally
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um I think one of the biggest
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differences is like all these spots if
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you're a day hunter that you couldn't
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call because there is no cover for you
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to sit in right well now you can now you
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can stand in the middle of the field and
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with daytime hunting uh you're kind of
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restricted to your setup on your stands
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where you might only have a little cover
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here or with night hunting you can
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pretty much go in there and set up and
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stand and set the call anywhere you want
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right right
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so
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and and the thought of like when I was
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just day hunting the thought of being
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able to stand in the middle of a fresh
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cut Hayfield and have a coyote run up to
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50 yards on you without seeing you it's
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kind of ludicrous huh
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it just blowed my mind but it just it
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makes it's fun I like it both right oh
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for sure well tell us uh you know
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what what do you love about say just
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let's talk about daytime calling what do
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you love about daytime calling
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um instead you know instead of night you
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know your day well the first thing I the
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the first thing I'd say is not having to
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hold something in your face so you can
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see right like it's like a scanner or
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whatever right right exactly and
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actually being able to see all the way
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out in the fields without having to look
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through anything correct
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um and I like them early mornings and
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right before dark Sands and I've got up
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early since I was just a little kid I
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mean I just had a liar might still be up
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a half hour before the alarm but
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um I've always been an early morning
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person and you know something about
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seeing no sunrises and the sun going
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down I mean there ain't nothing better
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Kyle you know throw a coyote in with
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that it just tops it off right right
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what about uh what about night time what
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what drags Eric Hammond out into the
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dark hours to call cows well I think a
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lot of night Hunters could agree with me
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that
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it fits your schedule better than day
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hunting you know for the average
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you know guy out there that's a Night
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Hunter that's working 40 or 50 hours a
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week or something being able to go home
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from work and have dinner with the
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family or whatever and then maybe go out
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later
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um
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so I feel like if it's people's
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schedules pretty good
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um you know what gets me out really is I
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go out either or day or night but it's
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good to switch it up because
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years ago a couple years ago I was just
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night hunting just like two three nights
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a week and there's a point to that where
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it felt like it was almost burning me
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out right right and I need to get back
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out there in the daytime and do what
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I've always done right so I find a happy
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medium where
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you know I'm not
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just stuck on going out at night or
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whatever I like going in during the
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daytime even if I'm a night hunt
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like I'm a firm believer of
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piss poor preparation leads to piss poor
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performance right and if you can go into
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a stand in the daytime and maybe call it
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and see the land or whatever if it's a
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new spot then that's a little bit of
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homework for when you go in there at
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night you can be like okay I know I need
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to be up on this hill
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um night vision or the thermals it's
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kind of hard to see like rolls in the
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field and you know I've lost them that
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way going in without being in there in
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the daytime before and
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I'm sure there's a lot of guys that
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go into fresh stands that's never been
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called or they've never seen before and
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call on a coyote but there is times
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where you can do that and they can pop
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like right out of a roll in the field
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and then he'd disappear on you and
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right yeah
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so I'm sure you're talking about uh be
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able to go and seeing the lay of the
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land and stuff for daytime it helps you
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with your nighttime hunting but I'm sure
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the same can be said for uh you can go
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Night Hunter place and it can probably
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I'm just guessing could probably help
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you understand that ground better for a
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daytime hunt as well right I mean yeah I
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mean coyote tracks are around and that
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type of stuff right right I feel like
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the nighttime is more productive like
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you know like I've been in the stands
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where you know you get them talking or
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whatever and you know sometimes they
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just ain't showing their face right and
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then you can go in there at night and
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them jokers are already out in the field
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right
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oh yeah so it's tough you know I've had
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um
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kind of switch gears here just a little
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bit you know I'll have I pretty much
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just all night time hunting I have or
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daytime hun I have been out at night but
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I've never actually really hunting
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myself at night I went and filmed some
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uh Cody hassinger the Foxpro crew and
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stuff like that you know they're the
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ones on the thermal doing the actual
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hunting I'm just behind the camera so I
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have been out there and done it but to
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call myself a Night Hunter I'm not but I
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do have night hunters will message me
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every once in a while say Hey you know
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I'm looking to expand my daytime stands
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a little bit you know I want to get into
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some more daytime hunting but I'm not
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having much luck with it uh what do I
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need to do different which of course
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that's a
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that's a pretty broad question because
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you don't know what they've been doing
0:11:58.560,0:12:04.019
wrong but it seems like what hangs up
0:12:01.320,0:12:05.399
some just pure nighttime Hunters is is
0:12:04.019,0:12:07.380
they try to go about things how they
0:12:05.399,0:12:09.300
would at night you know when you are
0:12:07.380,0:12:11.040
hunting nighttime stuff you're actually
0:12:09.300,0:12:13.800
hunting coyotes when they're most active
0:12:11.040,0:12:15.120
they're on their feet being coyotes
0:12:13.800,0:12:16.680
they're out hunting themselves and
0:12:15.120,0:12:18.779
that's the spot you actually try to hunt
0:12:16.680,0:12:20.700
and call them out of and when it comes
0:12:18.779,0:12:22.440
to daytime hunting You Gotta Throw all
0:12:20.700,0:12:24.480
that stuff out the window you can't hunt
0:12:22.440,0:12:26.519
those areas where they are on their feet
0:12:24.480,0:12:28.620
hunting you've got to concentrate on
0:12:26.519,0:12:30.420
those areas where they uh were they bed
0:12:28.620,0:12:32.519
up for the day you're trying to write
0:12:30.420,0:12:34.620
out those areas and call them out of
0:12:32.519,0:12:35.760
their bed would you say that's pretty
0:12:34.620,0:12:38.940
accurate
0:12:35.760,0:12:42.360
yeah no I'd say you're 100 accurate
0:12:38.940,0:12:44.160
you know 100 because
0:12:42.360,0:12:47.220
yeah and
0:12:44.160,0:12:49.820
just like you said you know that
0:12:47.220,0:12:52.139
they're more active at night I feel like
0:12:49.820,0:12:54.540
daytime you really need to push back
0:12:52.139,0:12:56.760
like you said there get back on them or
0:12:54.540,0:12:59.760
they're bedded up or hanging out right
0:12:56.760,0:13:02.459
for the day and you know that's
0:12:59.760,0:13:04.019
that's good to be well-rounded as in the
0:13:02.459,0:13:07.200
day hunter or Night Hunter because say
0:13:04.019,0:13:09.180
you pick up some property and you got
0:13:07.200,0:13:11.459
all these nice Fields by the road that
0:13:09.180,0:13:13.740
would be great nice fans but then you
0:13:11.459,0:13:16.560
got these fields that you have to walk
0:13:13.740,0:13:18.600
to that are half a mile three quarters
0:13:16.560,0:13:21.180
of a mile back right you know not too
0:13:18.600,0:13:23.820
not too many night Hunters I mean
0:13:21.180,0:13:27.139
speaking for myself is it going to walk
0:13:23.820,0:13:29.519
that far at night you know like
0:13:27.139,0:13:31.500
it's just good to be well-rounded hey
0:13:29.519,0:13:34.440
I've I've always said when it comes to
0:13:31.500,0:13:36.899
coyotes they've got uh they've got four
0:13:34.440,0:13:38.399
legs and I've got two them suckers can
0:13:36.899,0:13:41.899
get them to me that trees me running Fox
0:13:38.399,0:13:45.660
probably right that's right that's right
0:13:41.899,0:13:48.540
let me ask you about this uh how does
0:13:45.660,0:13:50.579
your calling style differ from daytime
0:13:48.540,0:13:52.139
stands to night time stands are you
0:13:50.579,0:13:53.880
running like the same length of
0:13:52.139,0:13:57.079
sequences and stuff like that or do you
0:13:53.880,0:13:57.079
call or one
0:13:57.720,0:14:03.480
I'd say the daytime John I give myself
0:14:00.180,0:14:06.720
like a half hour minimum of Colin we're
0:14:03.480,0:14:09.899
at nine that's 20 minutes okay okay so
0:14:06.720,0:14:12.540
you're making longer daytime stance
0:14:09.899,0:14:14.399
yeah well I've just had you know like
0:14:12.540,0:14:16.380
I've had them coyotes come in right at
0:14:14.399,0:14:19.200
the end of the stand and right I mean
0:14:16.380,0:14:21.920
I've seen I've seen it happen so when I
0:14:19.200,0:14:24.779
was younger years ago I had a 45 minute
0:14:21.920,0:14:27.660
limit on a stand where I'd sit for 45
0:14:24.779,0:14:30.000
minutes I understand that you know
0:14:27.660,0:14:31.980
obviously if you can up the odds by
0:14:30.000,0:14:35.160
shortening your stand and doing more
0:14:31.980,0:14:38.040
stands you know but at that point I
0:14:35.160,0:14:39.600
wasn't in a big hurry to kill uh you
0:14:38.040,0:14:42.480
know a lot of coyotes I was just trying
0:14:39.600,0:14:44.880
to kill one at a time type of deal right
0:14:42.480,0:14:46.019
right right because I mean there's no
0:14:44.880,0:14:47.459
doubt about it if you're wanting to
0:14:46.019,0:14:50.240
stack numbers up
0:14:47.459,0:14:51.860
as they say night time is the right time
0:14:50.240,0:14:56.459
right
0:14:51.860,0:15:00.000
absolutely absolutely what about your um
0:14:56.459,0:15:01.380
when it comes to day versus night uh you
0:15:00.000,0:15:04.560
know you said you're making longer
0:15:01.380,0:15:06.779
stands during the day what about your
0:15:04.560,0:15:08.220
calling sequences do they change like if
0:15:06.779,0:15:11.820
you were going to go hunting tomorrow
0:15:08.220,0:15:13.740
morning would that uh sound sequence be
0:15:11.820,0:15:16.139
different than what you would run say
0:15:13.740,0:15:17.040
tonight if you just go after sunset
0:15:16.139,0:15:19.920
tonight
0:15:17.040,0:15:22.680
no it'd be absolutely the same so you
0:15:19.920,0:15:24.779
run the same type of sounds same type of
0:15:22.680,0:15:27.300
experiences you're just stretching those
0:15:24.779,0:15:29.279
stands out longer like maybe running
0:15:27.300,0:15:32.279
your sounds for a longer period of time
0:15:29.279,0:15:34.680
during the daytime yeah I mean I tend to
0:15:32.279,0:15:36.779
toggle back between sounds you know with
0:15:34.680,0:15:40.260
like the recall button
0:15:36.779,0:15:42.000
the T the Foxpro remote like I'll I'll
0:15:40.260,0:15:43.019
toggle back and forth through sounds
0:15:42.000,0:15:45.480
like
0:15:43.019,0:15:47.399
pound town and pop distress like on the
0:15:45.480,0:15:49.800
x24 because you can't play two sounds
0:15:47.399,0:15:51.779
obviously but I've always been a big fan
0:15:49.800,0:15:54.540
of like toggling back and forth between
0:15:51.779,0:15:56.699
like coyote vocals more I'm not saying
0:15:54.540,0:15:58.620
like rabbits or distresses or whatever
0:15:56.699,0:16:01.380
right right
0:15:58.620,0:16:03.720
well what do you what do you see from
0:16:01.380,0:16:05.880
from coyotes the actual coyotes
0:16:03.720,0:16:07.980
themselves how they respond to the call
0:16:05.880,0:16:09.540
they versus night is there any
0:16:07.980,0:16:13.139
differences in how you see them actually
0:16:09.540,0:16:14.639
approach the call uh absolutely yeah I
0:16:13.139,0:16:15.959
feel like they're more confident at
0:16:14.639,0:16:18.060
night
0:16:15.959,0:16:20.519
um I feel like in the cover of dark
0:16:18.060,0:16:22.740
darkness they're just they're moving
0:16:20.519,0:16:25.800
around a little bit easier you know
0:16:22.740,0:16:28.019
they're a little bit more comfortable
0:16:25.800,0:16:29.220
um like I said at night you'll catch
0:16:28.019,0:16:31.500
them right out in the middle of the
0:16:29.220,0:16:33.779
fields you know anybody that's been out
0:16:31.500,0:16:35.820
there night hunting I'm sure that's
0:16:33.779,0:16:37.860
happened to him before where
0:16:35.820,0:16:39.240
I mean daytime you can catch them out in
0:16:37.860,0:16:42.300
the field once in a while but it's not
0:16:39.240,0:16:44.160
like the night like at night where you
0:16:42.300,0:16:45.540
you'll catch them out and feel more you
0:16:44.160,0:16:46.800
will during the day
0:16:45.540,0:16:48.180
that's another thing if you catch them
0:16:46.800,0:16:50.160
out in the field during the night like
0:16:48.180,0:16:51.480
see them with a scanner or whatever it's
0:16:50.160,0:16:54.540
probably a lot easier to go get set up
0:16:51.480,0:16:55.740
on those coyotes versus it is it is you
0:16:54.540,0:16:57.959
know I'm going during the daytime hours
0:16:55.740,0:17:00.779
where they can see you yeah one of the
0:16:57.959,0:17:03.720
cool things that I was really Blown Away
0:17:00.779,0:17:06.480
by is at night when I first started
0:17:03.720,0:17:09.179
humbling thermals there as how you could
0:17:06.480,0:17:11.220
how you could literally like walk up on
0:17:09.179,0:17:14.760
a coyote you could spot them out in the
0:17:11.220,0:17:17.040
field at 100 yards 200 yards and if the
0:17:14.760,0:17:20.100
wind was good for you and the moon
0:17:17.040,0:17:23.280
wasn't out you just I've snuck right up
0:17:20.100,0:17:25.620
30 40 yards behind them and I just blown
0:17:23.280,0:17:27.179
away by it right that is pretty wild you
0:17:25.620,0:17:28.679
think about it and they've turned they
0:17:27.179,0:17:30.179
turn right around and look at you and
0:17:28.679,0:17:32.280
you just stand there and freeze and they
0:17:30.179,0:17:35.400
get back to Madison or whatever right
0:17:32.280,0:17:36.720
right what about uh I just got to think
0:17:35.400,0:17:39.120
about this I know you got into them
0:17:36.720,0:17:41.039
while you were still up in Vermont uh
0:17:39.120,0:17:42.480
what about bobcats I mean were you
0:17:41.039,0:17:45.000
allowed to cut were you allowed to hunt
0:17:42.480,0:17:47.700
cats at night in Vermont or was it just
0:17:45.000,0:17:50.580
no no you're not even allowed to hunt
0:17:47.700,0:17:53.400
fox up there at night just strictly just
0:17:50.580,0:17:55.320
strictly coyotes up there and uh Ohio's
0:17:53.400,0:17:57.360
the same way you can only huh you can't
0:17:55.320,0:18:01.160
you can't go after the Bobcats either
0:17:57.360,0:18:04.440
right well yeah Ohio
0:18:01.160,0:18:06.620
Bobcats are I don't know protected or
0:18:04.440,0:18:10.380
whatever endangered I don't know
0:18:06.620,0:18:12.660
hey can you no and I've called in so
0:18:10.380,0:18:14.280
many and these these Bobcats it seems
0:18:12.660,0:18:17.460
like they're not even afraid of humans
0:18:14.280,0:18:20.340
because it's like no hunting pressure on
0:18:17.460,0:18:22.679
them I call this one bobcat in and he
0:18:20.340,0:18:24.660
got to like 30 40 yards and I stood up
0:18:22.679,0:18:27.179
against this tree I was leaning against
0:18:24.660,0:18:30.179
and something just sat there didn't even
0:18:27.179,0:18:33.120
run off right like you had mentioned to
0:18:30.179,0:18:35.880
me you know I I spent uh a little bit of
0:18:33.120,0:18:37.620
deer deer camp in some some time with
0:18:35.880,0:18:39.600
Eric and deer campster a few weeks ago
0:18:37.620,0:18:40.799
and we were talking about the Bobcats
0:18:39.600,0:18:42.960
and stuff and he let me know that you
0:18:40.799,0:18:45.840
can't hunt him in Ohio but you were
0:18:42.960,0:18:47.580
telling me just uh there's a ton of them
0:18:45.840,0:18:49.380
up there in the area that you're in said
0:18:47.580,0:18:51.299
you'd go out at night get to Colin and
0:18:49.380,0:18:52.919
you'd see something approaching it'd be
0:18:51.299,0:18:55.380
a cat I mean you've caught in several
0:18:52.919,0:18:58.080
cats up there haven't you I feel like
0:18:55.380,0:19:00.600
it's almost like a 50 50 chance if
0:18:58.080,0:19:01.799
you're playing a distress like a rabbit
0:19:00.600,0:19:04.559
or something
0:19:01.799,0:19:08.100
or a bird I feel like it's a 50 50
0:19:04.559,0:19:10.200
chance where I've been hunting that you
0:19:08.100,0:19:12.059
call on a cat
0:19:10.200,0:19:13.679
um and I think that the state of Ohio
0:19:12.059,0:19:15.539
would do something about it sooner or
0:19:13.679,0:19:17.520
later because you get that high number
0:19:15.539,0:19:20.400
of bobcats
0:19:17.520,0:19:22.880
um they just they raise havoc on a small
0:19:20.400,0:19:26.160
game right well you know when something
0:19:22.880,0:19:28.620
Bobcats too and especially coyotes you
0:19:26.160,0:19:29.820
know when when their their numbers get
0:19:28.620,0:19:33.539
so high
0:19:29.820,0:19:35.400
they can actually be you know they're
0:19:33.539,0:19:37.260
not only hurting species around them but
0:19:35.400,0:19:38.700
they can also be a detriment to
0:19:37.260,0:19:41.220
theirselves as well
0:19:38.700,0:19:43.200
right right that's kind of it's kind of
0:19:41.220,0:19:45.059
wild it's almost like Ohio probably know
0:19:43.200,0:19:48.179
how many bobcats they've got
0:19:45.059,0:19:50.460
no I had to talk to uh one of the fish
0:19:48.179,0:19:51.660
and wildlife guys at the store one day
0:19:50.460,0:19:54.240
and he was like you need to start
0:19:51.660,0:19:56.580
recording when you see him and where you
0:19:54.240,0:19:58.500
see him and stuff I was like you guys
0:19:56.580,0:20:00.600
got to do something about this right
0:19:58.500,0:20:01.799
right you feel a whole log book up
0:20:00.600,0:20:03.120
sounds like
0:20:01.799,0:20:05.460
yeah
0:20:03.120,0:20:07.679
but
0:20:05.460,0:20:09.600
but I do miss having Bobcats I mean up
0:20:07.679,0:20:14.400
in Vermont there's a three-week season
0:20:09.600,0:20:17.400
January 10th uh February 9th
0:20:14.400,0:20:20.160
and uh I've killed a few good ones up
0:20:17.400,0:20:22.440
there and some Majestic about seeing
0:20:20.160,0:20:25.020
Bobcat you know across the field coming
0:20:22.440,0:20:26.760
stocking yeah they're a cool animal for
0:20:25.020,0:20:29.220
sure you definitely remember one of them
0:20:26.760,0:20:31.500
you ever called in that's for sure and
0:20:29.220,0:20:34.700
you remember the ones you missed too man
0:20:31.500,0:20:34.700
we don't want to talk about that
0:20:35.220,0:20:39.660
let's get back to let's get back to the
0:20:37.140,0:20:43.200
coyotes what uh was talking about you
0:20:39.660,0:20:45.419
know if your setups differ and your call
0:20:43.200,0:20:48.059
sequence and stuff like that won't you
0:20:45.419,0:20:50.640
tell us what a typical
0:20:48.059,0:20:53.039
calling sequence is for air Cam and say
0:20:50.640,0:20:53.820
like a wintertime sequence what are you
0:20:53.039,0:20:56.580
running
0:20:53.820,0:20:59.340
oh man in the last few years I've really
0:20:56.580,0:21:00.840
been majority coyote vocals it just
0:20:59.340,0:21:03.720
seems like it's getting them to the
0:21:00.840,0:21:05.760
field quicker but I'm always you know
0:21:03.720,0:21:08.700
throwing in a rabbit or a bird here and
0:21:05.760,0:21:11.640
there but typically I'd say pretty much
0:21:08.700,0:21:14.160
coyote vocals 90 percent of the sand and
0:21:11.640,0:21:16.260
depending what time of the year it is if
0:21:14.160,0:21:18.539
I'm gonna throw a rabbit first or last
0:21:16.260,0:21:19.700
right right well let's say like a
0:21:18.539,0:21:22.440
December
0:21:19.700,0:21:24.299
December January type coyote stand and
0:21:22.440,0:21:25.980
go ahead and get specific tell us send
0:21:24.299,0:21:28.700
me a secret Terry what what how are you
0:21:25.980,0:21:28.700
starting off with
0:21:28.740,0:21:35.280
I mean I'm pretty it's gonna be some of
0:21:32.220,0:21:38.100
those mfk vocals I'm sure
0:21:35.280,0:21:40.380
um but maybe some Boon long wine house
0:21:38.100,0:21:42.299
I'm just actually grabbing one of the
0:21:40.380,0:21:44.280
remotes to my fox core right now because
0:21:42.299,0:21:49.020
you know just as well as I do all these
0:21:44.280,0:21:51.780
and the cable uh vocals are overwhelming
0:21:49.020,0:21:53.580
we've talked about that and we've
0:21:51.780,0:21:55.679
actually said that right here on the uh
0:21:53.580,0:21:58.080
podcast before it's kind of almost like
0:21:55.679,0:22:01.080
just beating a dead horse but you know
0:21:58.080,0:22:02.340
they're new to some of us and they are
0:22:01.080,0:22:04.020
overwhelming because there's so many
0:22:02.340,0:22:05.820
good sounds it's not just a lot of
0:22:04.020,0:22:07.919
sounds it's a lot of
0:22:05.820,0:22:10.799
awesome sounds you know great sounds
0:22:07.919,0:22:13.380
that seem like everyone on my heat hit I
0:22:10.799,0:22:15.299
see a positive reaction too and still
0:22:13.380,0:22:18.299
taking time to learn them
0:22:15.299,0:22:21.299
yeah I'm with you 100 it's I mean I
0:22:18.299,0:22:23.580
don't think I've heard an mfk sound that
0:22:21.299,0:22:26.880
I don't like you know and that's so
0:22:23.580,0:22:29.460
that's the overwhelming part about it is
0:22:26.880,0:22:30.720
so many good sounds right and I don't
0:22:29.460,0:22:32.640
know I guess you could say I'm a
0:22:30.720,0:22:34.799
creature a habit and I was just sticking
0:22:32.640,0:22:37.280
in those Foxborough sounds
0:22:34.799,0:22:40.080
for a long time
0:22:37.280,0:22:43.020
excellent sounds as well
0:22:40.080,0:22:45.900
they're absolutely excellent sounds but
0:22:43.020,0:22:47.220
you throw those and pair those up with
0:22:45.900,0:22:50.700
the mfk
0:22:47.220,0:22:53.460
Kyle vocals there I mean it don't get no
0:22:50.700,0:22:57.120
better no if you ask me between the fox
0:22:53.460,0:22:58.260
Pro library and the mfk library Best of
0:22:57.120,0:23:00.659
Both Worlds
0:22:58.260,0:23:02.220
absolutely
0:23:00.659,0:23:03.780
um but we'll get back to the coyote
0:23:02.220,0:23:06.000
stand
0:23:03.780,0:23:08.760
um I would probably you know throw out
0:23:06.000,0:23:10.620
that Boone lone Winehouse and I'd let
0:23:08.760,0:23:13.620
that go for a little bit so we're
0:23:10.620,0:23:16.320
talking December yep
0:23:13.620,0:23:19.919
and you know I wanted her I'd throw out
0:23:16.320,0:23:21.360
some Papa yep I love I love that Foxpro
0:23:19.919,0:23:24.299
female sub
0:23:21.360,0:23:27.480
in between coyote vocals I'll toggle
0:23:24.299,0:23:30.600
that uh Foxpro female sub yeah like if
0:23:27.480,0:23:33.240
I'm doing Audi female submissive yep oh
0:23:30.600,0:23:36.120
yeah yeah works great and I heard on the
0:23:33.240,0:23:38.700
last oh yeah and I heard on the last
0:23:36.120,0:23:41.400
podcast there how uh you guys were
0:23:38.700,0:23:44.340
saying toggle that with you know the cup
0:23:41.400,0:23:47.220
three yeah I've been I've been doing
0:23:44.340,0:23:49.200
that for years it is a great combo he is
0:23:47.220,0:23:51.840
and I'll tell you Otto a lot of people
0:23:49.200,0:23:53.640
have overlooked that it's almost seemed
0:23:51.840,0:23:55.679
like when you say female coyotes
0:23:53.640,0:23:56.760
submissive from Fox Pro it's like yeah I
0:23:55.679,0:23:58.260
don't know what you're talking about I
0:23:56.760,0:23:59.640
like well it's it's been on there for a
0:23:58.260,0:24:01.679
long time you need to be putting it in
0:23:59.640,0:24:03.539
play I use it later on yeah I'll use it
0:24:01.679,0:24:05.580
let it like it's got a first little
0:24:03.539,0:24:07.500
sequence and then it pauses and then it
0:24:05.580,0:24:09.419
goes into a second one right after
0:24:07.500,0:24:11.400
that's usually the one I I'm pouring up
0:24:09.419,0:24:13.260
drop the bomb on them yeah yeah they
0:24:11.400,0:24:15.240
come screaming out to it that's a great
0:24:13.260,0:24:16.799
sound it's great sound yeah all right
0:24:15.240,0:24:19.320
keep up with your sequence there sorry
0:24:16.799,0:24:21.720
about interrupting you no it's all good
0:24:19.320,0:24:23.340
though and then I'd probably just do
0:24:21.720,0:24:26.159
like maybe five to eight minutes of
0:24:23.340,0:24:28.679
coyote vocals December and then I throw
0:24:26.159,0:24:31.559
it on you know baby Cottontail mid
0:24:28.679,0:24:34.919
volume for a few minutes nothing I'd
0:24:31.559,0:24:37.919
probably play Mrs McConnell or Mr mccot
0:24:34.919,0:24:40.799
Tail a little bit louder
0:24:37.919,0:24:42.299
maybe five minutes of that total and
0:24:40.799,0:24:44.460
I'll go right back into the coyote
0:24:42.299,0:24:48.179
vocals get into some maybe some group
0:24:44.460,0:24:50.880
house and uh maybe some Pound Town some
0:24:48.179,0:24:52.620
pup three right you know it seems like
0:24:50.880,0:24:55.020
after you do the first little bit of
0:24:52.620,0:24:57.720
coyote vocals and you switch to that
0:24:55.020,0:24:59.820
animal distress sound you know prey
0:24:57.720,0:25:01.860
distress tend to get a little more
0:24:59.820,0:25:04.380
aggressive next time I'm back on the
0:25:01.860,0:25:07.380
vocals right right so you're starting
0:25:04.380,0:25:09.900
off with some lone hell type stuff yeah
0:25:07.380,0:25:13.020
maybe some submissive sounds for the
0:25:09.900,0:25:14.460
first five six seven eight minutes and
0:25:13.020,0:25:17.039
then you're gonna play rabbits You'll
0:25:14.460,0:25:19.440
Play up to two rabbits right yeah well
0:25:17.039,0:25:20.880
I'll play you know probably like baby
0:25:19.440,0:25:23.820
Cottontail or something because it's
0:25:20.880,0:25:26.159
kind of a quieter rabbit and you know
0:25:23.820,0:25:27.900
get that get the volume start at mid
0:25:26.159,0:25:28.679
level get the volume up on that if
0:25:27.900,0:25:31.320
nothing
0:25:28.679,0:25:32.700
you know shows up then I would switch
0:25:31.320,0:25:35.880
over to something a little bit louder
0:25:32.700,0:25:37.559
and get the volume up there and nothing
0:25:35.880,0:25:39.840
shows there and then
0:25:37.559,0:25:42.059
right back to Coyote vocals and then you
0:25:39.840,0:25:43.260
get into like late December January and
0:25:42.059,0:25:46.260
then you start getting into the
0:25:43.260,0:25:48.539
challenge house and yeah breeding season
0:25:46.260,0:25:50.159
so when you when you get done with your
0:25:48.539,0:25:52.500
prey distress handles how you run two
0:25:50.159,0:25:54.179
rabbits and you go back to Coyote vocals
0:25:52.500,0:25:55.200
or you're going back to house or are you
0:25:54.179,0:25:56.779
talking about you doing more pup
0:25:55.200,0:25:59.340
distress
0:25:56.779,0:26:00.720
I would probably do like coyote group
0:25:59.340,0:26:01.559
house
0:26:00.720,0:26:04.440
um
0:26:01.559,0:26:07.380
you know I like the Foxpro coyote family
0:26:04.440,0:26:10.740
that's a good one and then there's uh
0:26:07.380,0:26:12.659
coyote group yipsin house and then I go
0:26:10.740,0:26:16.340
right back toggling with that female
0:26:12.659,0:26:19.159
submissive maybe some Pub distress three
0:26:16.340,0:26:21.179
toggle back with the female dismissive
0:26:19.159,0:26:24.659
submissive and then
0:26:21.179,0:26:28.260
I'm a big fan of that mfk pound town I
0:26:24.659,0:26:31.559
mean oh man killer sounds you know and
0:26:28.260,0:26:34.620
you can even start that start a standoff
0:26:31.559,0:26:36.299
with that anytime you don't have to you
0:26:34.620,0:26:38.279
know crank the volume right up on it but
0:26:36.299,0:26:40.260
man that sound right there has just been
0:26:38.279,0:26:41.640
pretty productive for me just go ahead
0:26:40.260,0:26:43.159
and give them the smoke right off the
0:26:41.640,0:26:46.279
bat right
0:26:43.159,0:26:49.440
coming in hot John Collins
0:26:46.279,0:26:51.600
I like I like it well you mentioned uh
0:26:49.440,0:26:54.059
you mentioned breeding season you know
0:26:51.600,0:26:56.460
January February tell me tell me what a
0:26:54.059,0:26:58.559
breeding uh season type sequence looks
0:26:56.460,0:27:00.840
like for Eric Hammond day and night or
0:26:58.559,0:27:02.760
you know or if it would be any different
0:27:00.840,0:27:06.480
well to be honest it wouldn't be any
0:27:02.760,0:27:08.880
different sequence day or night but I'd
0:27:06.480,0:27:13.380
I'd be doing a lot more like lone house
0:27:08.880,0:27:14.580
and like uh male own house
0:27:13.380,0:27:17.039
um
0:27:14.580,0:27:19.020
to challenge house
0:27:17.039,0:27:22.559
yeah I mean bringing scene is a good
0:27:19.020,0:27:24.480
time for pound town too oh yeah yeah I
0:27:22.559,0:27:27.240
played yeah you play Pound Town year
0:27:24.480,0:27:30.000
round they're probably you know I'm new
0:27:27.240,0:27:33.020
to the sound but it's already become
0:27:30.000,0:27:35.940
it's already proven itself to me so much
0:27:33.020,0:27:39.240
right that I'll probably hardly ever
0:27:35.940,0:27:42.539
leave a stand without playing it I mean
0:27:39.240,0:27:44.720
yeah I agree with you we've got to we
0:27:42.539,0:27:48.120
got our favorites that you know we
0:27:44.720,0:27:50.880
routinely play just about every stand
0:27:48.120,0:27:52.620
pretty much all year round the only
0:27:50.880,0:27:55.200
thing that really changes is when you're
0:27:52.620,0:27:57.480
playing them in the sand exactly exactly
0:27:55.200,0:28:00.480
we'll see you know
0:27:57.480,0:28:03.000
so but that female Emperor's breeding
0:28:00.480,0:28:06.600
season I've had you know good luck with
0:28:03.000,0:28:08.760
that toggle and that female wimpers in
0:28:06.600,0:28:10.860
um with like pop distress that recall
0:28:08.760,0:28:12.659
button on the tx1000 is just great
0:28:10.860,0:28:15.059
because you can go to one sound
0:28:12.659,0:28:17.400
and then you can toggle right back to
0:28:15.059,0:28:21.059
the sound you're at before right
0:28:17.400,0:28:23.159
so it's great I mean I look at my remote
0:28:21.059,0:28:27.179
and my recall button is worn just about
0:28:23.159,0:28:29.580
right off all right yep mine's the same
0:28:27.179,0:28:31.260
way same way for sure
0:28:29.580,0:28:32.279
right and you was talking about you're
0:28:31.260,0:28:34.380
talking about these breeding season
0:28:32.279,0:28:35.820
sounds like the female whimpers and
0:28:34.380,0:28:37.620
stuff like that that's another thing I'm
0:28:35.820,0:28:39.960
looking forward to this this breeding
0:28:37.620,0:28:41.700
season is you know you and I we've got a
0:28:39.960,0:28:43.799
whole different set of sounds we can use
0:28:41.700,0:28:46.559
now because mfk has a pretty good list
0:28:43.799,0:28:48.360
of breeding breeding season fights and
0:28:46.559,0:28:49.140
wampers and all that type of stuff as
0:28:48.360,0:28:51.200
well
0:28:49.140,0:28:54.000
to say I'm excited us and understand
0:28:51.200,0:28:58.200
you're right
0:28:54.000,0:29:00.600
yeah and hats off to those guys at mfk I
0:28:58.200,0:29:03.299
mean Tory I mean what a wealth of
0:29:00.600,0:29:06.120
knowledge that guy is he's really I mean
0:29:03.299,0:29:09.240
he's really opened up my eyes quite a
0:29:06.120,0:29:12.059
bit and his knowledge and sharing it
0:29:09.240,0:29:13.679
with everybody in a coyote hunt industry
0:29:12.059,0:29:16.740
is just great I mean I watched these
0:29:13.679,0:29:20.100
podcasts were going on you know 10 15
0:29:16.740,0:29:22.500
years ago right right yeah you know if
0:29:20.100,0:29:24.360
you can if you can listen to these and
0:29:22.500,0:29:26.159
you know maybe take something somebody
0:29:24.360,0:29:27.960
sets you and you go out and have some
0:29:26.159,0:29:31.380
success it's
0:29:27.960,0:29:34.440
it's good oh man it's these podcasts are
0:29:31.380,0:29:36.120
great for for everybody I mean you know
0:29:34.440,0:29:38.460
I've been coyote hunting for a long time
0:29:36.120,0:29:41.820
and and talking to some of these guys on
0:29:38.460,0:29:46.860
here I've learned so much stuff uh yeah
0:29:41.820,0:29:48.840
from John bear Al Morris Abner uh Tori
0:29:46.860,0:29:50.039
cook my goodness like you said a wealth
0:29:48.840,0:29:52.080
of knowledge and it's such a great
0:29:50.039,0:29:53.940
resource you know he's always willing to
0:29:52.080,0:29:55.620
help and he there's no secrets with the
0:29:53.940,0:29:57.299
guy he'll tell you exactly what the
0:29:55.620,0:29:58.440
coyotes are doing at what time and what
0:29:57.299,0:30:01.559
you need to be running and get them
0:29:58.440,0:30:03.059
called in I mean that's right and that's
0:30:01.559,0:30:05.340
what these podcasts are all about you
0:30:03.059,0:30:07.260
know we want people to learn uh we want
0:30:05.340,0:30:09.600
you to be successful
0:30:07.260,0:30:10.740
um so hopefully everybody out there has
0:30:09.600,0:30:12.240
been listening
0:30:10.740,0:30:13.559
you know it's been taking stuff from
0:30:12.240,0:30:15.960
these and we're going to keep them try
0:30:13.559,0:30:17.039
to keep them educational or we ain't
0:30:15.960,0:30:19.799
going to try to we're going to keep them
0:30:17.039,0:30:21.600
educational hopefully uh people continue
0:30:19.799,0:30:23.640
to learn from them and it they find
0:30:21.600,0:30:25.080
success in the in the field from from
0:30:23.640,0:30:28.080
listening to these things
0:30:25.080,0:30:31.320
right no I agree with you 100 percent
0:30:28.080,0:30:34.140
and I just want to say uh uh to anybody
0:30:31.320,0:30:37.200
that's maybe a strictly Night Hunter or
0:30:34.140,0:30:39.600
a strictly day hunter or whatever
0:30:37.200,0:30:42.899
you know give it a shot if you're a day
0:30:39.600,0:30:44.640
Hunter give the night game a shot you
0:30:42.899,0:30:47.220
know it's a little bit different and
0:30:44.640,0:30:49.500
it's a lot of fun and it's the same with
0:30:47.220,0:30:51.840
you know guys that have if they're just
0:30:49.500,0:30:53.580
hunting at night yeah I know the grind's
0:30:51.840,0:30:55.380
a little bit deeper for day hunting and
0:30:53.580,0:30:57.679
you might have to push back a little bit
0:30:55.380,0:31:00.179
more but when it all comes together
0:30:57.679,0:31:03.059
nothing beats the coyote on the day
0:31:00.179,0:31:05.039
scope right right you get that that's
0:31:03.059,0:31:06.720
just that's just my personal opinion
0:31:05.039,0:31:08.760
well it's it's one of those things
0:31:06.720,0:31:11.580
especially you know let's talk with
0:31:08.760,0:31:13.140
somebody the other day and uh they were
0:31:11.580,0:31:16.140
it was a group of guys they were hunting
0:31:13.140,0:31:19.080
it was hunting nighttime stuff and one
0:31:16.140,0:31:22.080
of them had never killed a black coyote
0:31:19.080,0:31:24.419
which a lot of people haven't uh well it
0:31:22.080,0:31:25.500
come the deal that he was running a
0:31:24.419,0:31:27.600
thermal
0:31:25.500,0:31:30.299
and our luckiest family group of coyotes
0:31:27.600,0:31:32.220
come running up and they get to blasting
0:31:30.299,0:31:33.720
or whatever and they kill they had a
0:31:32.220,0:31:35.279
great stand killed like a triple or
0:31:33.720,0:31:37.020
something like that well I think there
0:31:35.279,0:31:39.000
was some guys running night vision
0:31:37.020,0:31:40.440
evidently with no you know I don't know
0:31:39.000,0:31:42.539
anything about night vision ever dealing
0:31:40.440,0:31:44.880
with night vision you can kind of see
0:31:42.539,0:31:46.620
colors a little bit with them and a guy
0:31:44.880,0:31:48.419
like dude he said y'all ain't gonna
0:31:46.620,0:31:50.220
believe it but it was like four or five
0:31:48.419,0:31:51.899
coyotes running they killed three he's
0:31:50.220,0:31:53.580
like dude y'all killed these three
0:31:51.899,0:31:55.380
coyotes was awesome but y'all never even
0:31:53.580,0:31:58.100
shot at the black one there was a black
0:31:55.380,0:31:58.100
one in the Box
0:31:58.220,0:32:03.480
hey I ain't Ken John just just about
0:32:01.380,0:32:05.520
everyone I dropped with the thermal like
0:32:03.480,0:32:07.860
when I'm walking up to it I'm like man
0:32:05.520,0:32:11.100
never know what you want to get
0:32:07.860,0:32:13.500
please let it be a black coyote but I've
0:32:11.100,0:32:15.659
killed a few up in Vermont but I've seen
0:32:13.500,0:32:18.539
a couple here in Ohio but I haven't
0:32:15.659,0:32:21.539
killed a black coyote in Ohio yet right
0:32:18.539,0:32:23.279
right it's uh there's definitely a
0:32:21.539,0:32:24.659
special Critter that's for sure and
0:32:23.279,0:32:26.159
that's one thing about the daytime huh
0:32:24.659,0:32:29.399
you know exactly what's coming there you
0:32:26.159,0:32:31.340
know what color they are absolutely well
0:32:29.399,0:32:33.240
let me ask you since we're on that topic
0:32:31.340,0:32:36.539
if someone
0:32:33.240,0:32:39.720
said you had to choose between
0:32:36.539,0:32:42.360
daytime and night time you had to choose
0:32:39.720,0:32:43.980
one of them you can only hunt one for
0:32:42.360,0:32:47.580
the rest of your life
0:32:43.980,0:32:50.220
which are you choosing and why
0:32:47.580,0:32:52.260
I would choose day hunting hands down
0:32:50.220,0:32:55.740
just because
0:32:52.260,0:32:59.880
it's just the way I you know the way I
0:32:55.740,0:33:01.500
learned it it's it's more affordable
0:32:59.880,0:33:03.240
um granted the night hunting fits
0:33:01.500,0:33:06.539
everybody's schedule a little bit better
0:33:03.240,0:33:08.159
but I don't shy away from the grind and
0:33:06.539,0:33:13.620
I know what I got to do to kill daytime
0:33:08.159,0:33:16.019
coyotes and um hands down daytime
0:33:13.620,0:33:18.659
so do you think it's fair to say you see
0:33:16.019,0:33:21.419
this argument every once in a while
0:33:18.659,0:33:23.100
um and this is coming asking a guy that
0:33:21.419,0:33:24.960
does both and does both quite a bit
0:33:23.100,0:33:26.220
because you still daytime hunt you might
0:33:24.960,0:33:27.419
be daytime hunting here in the next
0:33:26.220,0:33:30.720
couple weeks right I mean you still
0:33:27.419,0:33:33.480
daytime hunt today right absolutely it's
0:33:30.720,0:33:35.460
yeah do you think it's fair to say
0:33:33.480,0:33:37.620
well you just tell me which one's harder
0:33:35.460,0:33:39.480
like if you had to go out there and it
0:33:37.620,0:33:40.799
your life depended on killing a coyote
0:33:39.480,0:33:42.960
and they said you need to go during the
0:33:40.799,0:33:44.820
daytime try to kill one if you don't
0:33:42.960,0:33:46.919
kill one or cut your throat or whatever
0:33:44.820,0:33:48.659
or you can go out at night and kill one
0:33:46.919,0:33:50.039
but you've got to kill a coyote to save
0:33:48.659,0:33:53.580
your life you're going to choose night
0:33:50.039,0:33:54.899
time or daytime definitely night time so
0:33:53.580,0:33:57.720
you're saying that night time is
0:33:54.899,0:33:59.880
definitely easier than daytime well I
0:33:57.720,0:34:01.620
mean whatever's in your advantage is in
0:33:59.880,0:34:04.019
the Coyote's disadvantage and when
0:34:01.620,0:34:06.360
you're you're playing the night game I
0:34:04.019,0:34:08.760
mean the odds are just stacked in your
0:34:06.360,0:34:12.480
favor you're dealing they're going to be
0:34:08.760,0:34:15.300
more active right at night you know and
0:34:12.480,0:34:17.760
the odds of you being able to
0:34:15.300,0:34:19.379
get them out in the open field instead
0:34:17.760,0:34:22.980
of maybe hanging up out of shooting
0:34:19.379,0:34:25.740
range or hanging up where you can't see
0:34:22.980,0:34:27.839
um I would definitely go in at night
0:34:25.740,0:34:29.339
yeah so you're saying for you for air
0:34:27.839,0:34:32.760
cam personally
0:34:29.339,0:34:36.119
a daytime coyote is more rewarding
0:34:32.760,0:34:37.679
oh 100 absolutely but if you wanted to
0:34:36.119,0:34:39.960
go stack numbers
0:34:37.679,0:34:43.859
night time is the right time
0:34:39.960,0:34:46.260
yeah I mean to be honest John I've never
0:34:43.859,0:34:48.540
looked at as trying to kill as many
0:34:46.260,0:34:51.419
coyotes as I can right you know right
0:34:48.540,0:34:53.339
I've just never I'm not a fan of Russian
0:34:51.419,0:34:54.659
people and I'm not a fan of being rushed
0:34:53.339,0:34:57.240
exactly
0:34:54.659,0:34:59.280
um but
0:34:57.240,0:35:01.200
they're they're just more productive at
0:34:59.280,0:35:03.420
night you know like if somebody called
0:35:01.200,0:35:05.040
and said hey I got coyotes like I I
0:35:03.420,0:35:06.900
would try to get over there in the
0:35:05.040,0:35:09.240
daytime so I could take a look at it
0:35:06.900,0:35:10.859
before it gets dark yep
0:35:09.240,0:35:12.599
um but if you're trying to get one
0:35:10.859,0:35:14.339
killed and somebody you got to get them
0:35:12.599,0:35:16.619
killed I would go in there at night for
0:35:14.339,0:35:19.859
sure night time yeah okay that's good
0:35:16.619,0:35:22.980
stuff yeah great stuff yeah
0:35:19.859,0:35:24.780
um and another thing a few things like I
0:35:22.980,0:35:28.260
had wrote down some like pros and cons
0:35:24.780,0:35:30.720
of sure you know like well you know
0:35:28.260,0:35:34.859
being Pros for you know night hunting
0:35:30.720,0:35:36.480
like just comparing the two like you can
0:35:34.859,0:35:39.480
stand in the middle of the field and you
0:35:36.480,0:35:41.760
can kind of make the setup you want for
0:35:39.480,0:35:44.280
there's data for night time right yeah
0:35:41.760,0:35:46.740
where daytime you're limited
0:35:44.280,0:35:48.240
um nighttime you don't from my
0:35:46.740,0:35:50.760
experiences you don't really have to
0:35:48.240,0:35:53.040
park your truck as far away right well
0:35:50.760,0:35:54.119
you know like down in Texas and some of
0:35:53.040,0:35:55.859
those States like that they actually
0:35:54.119,0:35:57.420
hunt from hyrax they pull their trucker
0:35:55.859,0:36:00.180
out there and climb up on top and go to
0:35:57.420,0:36:03.359
college I know isn't that wild have you
0:36:00.180,0:36:05.700
ever tried that no but I want to me too
0:36:03.359,0:36:07.160
I think it's one of these guys to invite
0:36:05.700,0:36:09.720
us down there and go hunting with them
0:36:07.160,0:36:11.880
right me and Eric's wanting a night rack
0:36:09.720,0:36:15.720
rack on off you at night come on guys
0:36:11.880,0:36:18.480
holler at us let's go
0:36:15.720,0:36:20.700
um but yeah no just there's a lot of
0:36:18.480,0:36:21.359
things like you don't really need you
0:36:20.700,0:36:24.540
know
0:36:21.359,0:36:26.880
camel I wouldn't say camouflage at like
0:36:24.540,0:36:28.619
daytime you can go out without any
0:36:26.880,0:36:30.300
camouflage on but a lot of guys wear
0:36:28.619,0:36:31.200
camo but nighttime you can pretty much
0:36:30.300,0:36:33.180
wear
0:36:31.200,0:36:37.020
you know whatever you want right right
0:36:33.180,0:36:40.680
type of deal and you know the the cover
0:36:37.020,0:36:44.000
of Darkness yep
0:36:40.680,0:36:44.000
oh yeah absolutely
0:36:44.180,0:36:52.020
any other pros and cons for night versus
0:36:47.880,0:36:54.300
well pretty much just like
0:36:52.020,0:36:56.099
if you can do both I think it matters
0:36:54.300,0:36:58.020
your odds are just killing coyotes on a
0:36:56.099,0:37:00.119
property because like I said there's
0:36:58.020,0:37:01.740
some big fields in the way back that you
0:37:00.119,0:37:03.480
probably wouldn't walk to at night and
0:37:01.740,0:37:05.880
then there's the fields by the road that
0:37:03.480,0:37:07.800
would be better nightstands than day
0:37:05.880,0:37:09.240
stands and
0:37:07.800,0:37:11.820
um you know there's there's probably
0:37:09.240,0:37:14.160
there's some of these properties uh that
0:37:11.820,0:37:16.500
especially smaller tracks you know you
0:37:14.160,0:37:20.220
might have coyotes at uh visit those
0:37:16.500,0:37:21.720
places at night time to hunt right that
0:37:20.220,0:37:22.920
are never there during the daytime so
0:37:21.720,0:37:25.260
you have to hunt them at night to kill
0:37:22.920,0:37:27.060
those coyotes it didn't vice versa you
0:37:25.260,0:37:30.440
know you might have places that coyotes
0:37:27.060,0:37:32.579
really never spend much time in at night
0:37:30.440,0:37:34.680
to hunt because they ventured out
0:37:32.579,0:37:36.359
somewhere but they're perfect places to
0:37:34.680,0:37:37.680
to catch coyotes that are that are
0:37:36.359,0:37:40.800
dinning up through the summer months
0:37:37.680,0:37:42.359
raising pups or or right bedding up for
0:37:40.800,0:37:45.300
the day you know that you can crack in
0:37:42.359,0:37:47.700
there and get them killed right any
0:37:45.300,0:37:50.280
other in the nighttime thing you know
0:37:47.700,0:37:52.380
they you know daytime is definitely more
0:37:50.280,0:37:53.460
affordable for people like nighttime and
0:37:52.380,0:37:56.400
when you're talking
0:37:53.460,0:37:59.160
you know thermals and tripods to hold
0:37:56.400,0:38:01.560
your gun and it can get pretty pricey
0:37:59.160,0:38:03.500
but people's Day Day stuff can get
0:38:01.560,0:38:06.920
pricey too but I'm just saying for them
0:38:03.500,0:38:09.839
personally you know
0:38:06.920,0:38:12.300
you know but you know like
0:38:09.839,0:38:15.359
daytime definitely like more affordable
0:38:12.300,0:38:17.640
for anybody to obviously huh yeah for
0:38:15.359,0:38:19.740
the average Joe yeah for sure
0:38:17.640,0:38:22.680
um tell us about what are you shooting
0:38:19.740,0:38:24.839
two different uh rigs for night versus
0:38:22.680,0:38:27.240
day you shoot you like certain calibers
0:38:24.839,0:38:30.780
better for one versus the other one
0:38:27.240,0:38:33.300
I mean I I've been shooting a 223 for
0:38:30.780,0:38:35.640
you know close to 15 years and I know
0:38:33.300,0:38:38.339
there's a lot of guys that don't like
0:38:35.640,0:38:40.500
two two threes and I'm just a creature
0:38:38.339,0:38:43.380
habit not to mention I'm Frugal and kind
0:38:40.500,0:38:45.420
of cheap don't own many guns the ones I
0:38:43.380,0:38:48.660
have are like everyday drivers pretty
0:38:45.420,0:38:51.540
much but I've got a two two three that I
0:38:48.660,0:38:54.599
run at night just because running
0:38:51.540,0:38:56.880
I ran my 22 250 at night and I just
0:38:54.599,0:38:58.980
didn't like having to run the bolt so
0:38:56.880,0:39:01.220
you're saying you'd much rather run an
0:38:58.980,0:39:04.380
AR style rifle at night
0:39:01.220,0:39:06.859
absolutely but if but if I was to go out
0:39:04.380,0:39:10.260
in the daytime I'd like my bolt action
0:39:06.859,0:39:11.520
22-250. so I'm assuming like you know a
0:39:10.260,0:39:13.440
group of coyotes especially you know
0:39:11.520,0:39:14.760
calling in a single I'm sure it's no big
0:39:13.440,0:39:16.260
deal but like if you call in a family
0:39:14.760,0:39:18.540
group of coyotes for a double or
0:39:16.260,0:39:21.000
whatever any kind of multiples it's
0:39:18.540,0:39:22.740
right it's a big deal for you to have to
0:39:21.000,0:39:24.240
come off that thermal and cycle your
0:39:22.740,0:39:26.820
boat and then come back in here and try
0:39:24.240,0:39:28.200
to find an animal right absolutely and
0:39:26.820,0:39:30.780
I've noticed from hunting at night
0:39:28.200,0:39:32.400
compared to daytime it seems like you
0:39:30.780,0:39:35.640
call in more
0:39:32.400,0:39:37.980
uh more like groups of coyotes or
0:39:35.640,0:39:40.200
multiple coyotes at nighttime and then
0:39:37.980,0:39:42.480
not that I did personally in the daytime
0:39:40.200,0:39:44.820
I've called in you know triples and
0:39:42.480,0:39:47.220
quads in the daytime but I've called in
0:39:44.820,0:39:50.400
a lot more of those at night yeah and
0:39:47.220,0:39:51.839
running it AR style rig keeps you keeps
0:39:50.400,0:39:53.160
you on the gun you don't want to come up
0:39:51.839,0:39:55.560
it's a little
0:39:53.160,0:39:57.300
I feel like the AR is a little bit more
0:39:55.560,0:39:59.160
efficient right
0:39:57.300,0:40:01.920
and that's what I'm about being
0:39:59.160,0:40:03.060
efficient right because I hate seeing
0:40:01.920,0:40:06.660
them run away
0:40:03.060,0:40:07.980
you wanted to smoke if multiple runny
0:40:06.660,0:40:09.300
and When the Smoke Clears you want
0:40:07.980,0:40:11.579
multiples laying on the grounds why
0:40:09.300,0:40:13.920
don't you tell them that's right that's
0:40:11.579,0:40:16.560
right I like it I like it
0:40:13.920,0:40:18.300
excuse the what a what uh what Foxpro
0:40:16.560,0:40:21.660
unit are you running right now
0:40:18.300,0:40:22.859
well I love the x24
0:40:21.660,0:40:26.460
um I
0:40:22.859,0:40:29.579
I love the x2s I'm I love fusing sounds
0:40:26.460,0:40:32.820
together right but
0:40:29.579,0:40:34.980
um my go-to call is the x24
0:40:32.820,0:40:37.320
um it's got that little bit extra volume
0:40:34.980,0:40:39.119
really depends on like honestly what
0:40:37.320,0:40:40.920
stands I'm gonna call like if I was
0:40:39.119,0:40:43.619
going to call some you know tighter
0:40:40.920,0:40:45.660
stands with the covers real thick or I'd
0:40:43.619,0:40:47.579
probably go the x2s if I'm gonna call
0:40:45.660,0:40:49.619
some like big strip on ground where it's
0:40:47.579,0:40:52.859
big country or something I'll probably
0:40:49.619,0:40:53.400
go with the x24 right good
0:40:52.859,0:40:55.859
um
0:40:53.400,0:40:57.420
so the x24 is definitely your favorite
0:40:55.859,0:40:58.440
unit right now so if I told you you can
0:40:57.420,0:41:02.280
only pick one of them you're going to
0:40:58.440,0:41:04.200
take the x24 in a heartbeat
0:41:02.280,0:41:06.599
well I asked I got a couple questions
0:41:04.200,0:41:09.540
for you I asked most of our guests on
0:41:06.599,0:41:12.300
here uh you're new to the podcast so I'm
0:41:09.540,0:41:15.300
definitely going to ask you what's your
0:41:12.300,0:41:17.940
top three favorite sounds when I say top
0:41:15.300,0:41:20.040
three favorite sounds when Mike
0:41:17.940,0:41:22.980
says hey I'm taking your calls away from
0:41:20.040,0:41:24.960
you here's your brand new x24 it's only
0:41:22.980,0:41:27.720
got three sounds on it that you can pick
0:41:24.960,0:41:31.140
what three sounds you're gonna put on it
0:41:27.720,0:41:34.079
that's pretty easy pup three pound town
0:41:31.140,0:41:36.300
and Mr McConnell awesome so you gotta
0:41:34.079,0:41:38.880
you got a good rabbit a good pup
0:41:36.300,0:41:42.480
distress and an awesome fight
0:41:38.880,0:41:44.880
yeah I mean if I had to pick three that
0:41:42.480,0:41:47.400
would be them I I like it I think it's
0:41:44.880,0:41:49.740
that pretty close to what mine will be
0:41:47.400,0:41:52.800
if not spot on so
0:41:49.740,0:41:54.420
what's your uh number one sound same
0:41:52.800,0:41:55.920
type of deal but Mike said you can only
0:41:54.420,0:41:57.300
have one cent On Your Collar I'm
0:41:55.920,0:41:59.400
challenging for the year I want you to
0:41:57.300,0:42:01.079
run one sound Sammy coyote you can kill
0:41:59.400,0:42:03.000
what sound you picking
0:42:01.079,0:42:05.760
do I get to have hand calls or anything
0:42:03.000,0:42:07.859
no one sound just get the camera one
0:42:05.760,0:42:12.000
sound on you on your e-call
0:42:07.859,0:42:14.280
uh well I mean me personally I'm I I'm
0:42:12.000,0:42:18.000
always tiger than coyotes I'm not out
0:42:14.280,0:42:20.099
there targeting Bobcats or fox or you
0:42:18.000,0:42:22.800
know what I mean so pretty much I guess
0:42:20.099,0:42:25.619
it would depend on what you're targeting
0:42:22.800,0:42:28.800
um I would definitely go with pup three
0:42:25.619,0:42:31.440
what if I said I'll give you a hand call
0:42:28.800,0:42:33.119
I'll take an open rate I can make a
0:42:31.440,0:42:34.800
bunch of sounds of that right well does
0:42:33.119,0:42:37.640
that change your pick for your no for
0:42:34.800,0:42:41.400
your sound you gonna put on your e-call
0:42:37.640,0:42:43.619
uh well then I'd I might put pound town
0:42:41.400,0:42:45.960
on there okay because with that open
0:42:43.619,0:42:47.760
rate I could do some coyote house I
0:42:45.960,0:42:49.740
could do some rabbit squilling if I
0:42:47.760,0:42:52.079
needed to some pop distresses so you can
0:42:49.740,0:42:53.660
get some top distressing or do that
0:42:52.079,0:42:57.000
fight though in it
0:42:53.660,0:42:59.880
yeah no no doubt my first few years
0:42:57.000,0:43:03.060
calling coyotes that's all I used was
0:42:59.880,0:43:04.980
just hand calls for just about just
0:43:03.060,0:43:07.079
about three years
0:43:04.980,0:43:09.300
and uh
0:43:07.079,0:43:11.640
man I remember I was going home calling
0:43:09.300,0:43:14.540
45 minute stands blowing on them calls
0:43:11.640,0:43:17.880
I'm just going home on absolute headache
0:43:14.540,0:43:19.440
they if I try to run a uh just a
0:43:17.880,0:43:21.660
strictly hand call stand right now
0:43:19.440,0:43:25.940
somebody has packed me back to the truck
0:43:21.660,0:43:25.940
I ain't got the wrongs for it no more
0:43:26.359,0:43:31.380
so you're telling us if you're like if
0:43:29.099,0:43:33.660
you can take you a hand call with you an
0:43:31.380,0:43:37.380
open-rated hand call you're going to be
0:43:33.660,0:43:38.880
picking pound mfk's pound town yeah if
0:43:37.380,0:43:40.500
you don't have hand calls you can only
0:43:38.880,0:43:41.579
pick one sound it's gonna be pup stress
0:43:40.500,0:43:44.880
number three
0:43:41.579,0:43:46.680
that's it awesome that's used to well
0:43:44.880,0:43:48.060
we're starting to get here towards the
0:43:46.680,0:43:49.740
end or wrap this thing up you got
0:43:48.060,0:43:52.560
anything else you'd like to add Eric
0:43:49.740,0:43:54.240
before we jump off here no I just I
0:43:52.560,0:43:55.680
appreciate you guys having me on here
0:43:54.240,0:43:57.960
and
0:43:55.680,0:44:00.119
uh Hey like I said everything you know
0:43:57.960,0:44:02.040
that I said is pretty much just the
0:44:00.119,0:44:04.560
differences that I've personally noticed
0:44:02.040,0:44:06.300
right between day and night some other
0:44:04.560,0:44:07.619
people might have different opinions out
0:44:06.300,0:44:11.280
there right
0:44:07.619,0:44:13.740
um but I love it all give the night game
0:44:11.280,0:44:15.660
a shot if you're a day Hunter and if
0:44:13.740,0:44:18.480
you're you know
0:44:15.660,0:44:21.300
a night guy give the day thing a try I
0:44:18.480,0:44:23.400
mean it's great well it's good stuff
0:44:21.300,0:44:24.480
Eric I'm glad you jumped on here and
0:44:23.400,0:44:27.900
just like we was talking about other
0:44:24.480,0:44:31.140
guys uh that's listing in Eric does both
0:44:27.900,0:44:33.060
he's a daytime and nighttime Hunter and
0:44:31.140,0:44:35.520
appreciate you sharing your experiences
0:44:33.060,0:44:37.319
with us Eric and uh we'll definitely
0:44:35.520,0:44:38.880
have you on here again sometime if you'd
0:44:37.319,0:44:41.400
be willing to jump on
0:44:38.880,0:44:43.260
absolutely John anytime you just holler
0:44:41.400,0:44:45.359
at me we'll do that we hope everyone
0:44:43.260,0:44:49.040
enjoyed this episode we hope you join us
0:44:45.359,0:44:49.040
again right here on the Foxpro podcast