The FOXPRO Podcast

EP. 12: Daytime Calling vs Nighttime Calling - Erik Hammond

Episode Summary

Jon Collins and Erik Hammond discuss the differences and similarities between nighttime and daytime coyote hunting.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the Foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by Foxpro game calls

 

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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast this

 

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is John Collins and we've got Foxpro

 

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field staffer Eric Hammond joining us

 

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the topic for this episode is daytime

 

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versus night time coyote hunting this is

 

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going to be a good one for sure Eric

 

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thanks for jumping on here with us today

 

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bud

 

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no problem John

 

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what's uh what's going on up your neck

 

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of the woods today

 

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oh it's it's pouring rain out there

 

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today me and the dogs are pretty much

 

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just sitting in the house looking out

 

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the window watching it rain perfect day

 

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to do a podcast right that's right and I

 

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know you guys are dry too you know like

 

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us we've been bad bad dry we've actually

 

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been having some fires popping up down

 

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in this country so the

 

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um the the rain is definitely welcome

 

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that's for sure

 

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um all right Eric you want to tell us a

 

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little bit about yourselves or listeners

 

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know who Eric Hammond is okay

 

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um 42 years old I was born and raised in

 

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Huntington Vermont on a dairy farm

 

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I've got my hunting license when I was

 

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13 years old

 

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um worked on

 

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did body work working on cars for 21

 

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years of my life with all the snow we

 

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got up there all that Collision work

 

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um didn't start hunting coyotes till my

 

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mid-20s

 

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ran hounds for a couple years with my

 

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buddy's dad

 

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and then my buddy's dad had some coyote

 

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calls hanging on us shifter in his truck

 

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and I asked him what those were and he

 

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said those are coyote calls and I was

 

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like you're gonna have to show me that

 

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so he took me out a few times and I was

 

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hooked right off the bat and I just kind

 

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of run with it

 

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awesome awesome you know what that

 

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you're talking about doing body work up

 

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here in Vermont and snow and stuff I'm

 

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sure there's plenty of rust

 

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that was one of my stipulations John

 

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with jobs is I don't work weekends and I

 

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don't do Rush jobs I don't blame you

 

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especially on weekend stuff

 

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yeah I mean you got to draw the line

 

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somewhere right that's right and uh guys

 

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and gals just to add to that you know

 

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there's definitely a reason why I

 

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invited Eric on for this particular

 

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episode Eric is an excellent coyote

 

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caller he hunts both daytime and night

 

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time he definitely doesn't shy away from

 

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either he loves them both and finds tons

 

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of success pretty much no matter when he

 

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goes Colin Eric's also a dang good

 

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Whitetail Hunter but we'll save that for

 

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another episode But Eric you ready to

 

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jump right into it sounds good

 

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here's my first question for you

 

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when or which did you start hunting

 

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first daytime or night time

 

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uh I was calling just strictly daytime

 

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for just about 10 years before I even

 

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went out at night I never even in

 

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Vermont there they you're not allowed to

 

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use lights or anything and I wasn't big

 

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on the night vision and didn't know

 

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about the thermals or anything so I was

 

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just strictly day hunting and I would I

 

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was having a good time killing them and

 

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stuff and uh but I've been night hunting

 

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now for about five years going on six I

 

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got to what uh what got you in what or

 

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who I got you into night honey well

 

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basically the

 

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Ben and Kyle from Virginia

 

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um they had got picked up as Fox Pro

 

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field staff and we had started chatting

 

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and uh Ben and Kyle had come up to

 

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Vermont to hunt and uh just kind of

 

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opened my eyes to

 

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the night world really and how

 

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productive

 

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calling at night could be I think the

 

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first night me and Ben and Kyle went out

 

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I think Kyle might have counted 30 or 40

 

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coyotes right right you didn't know you

 

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had another coyotes around right

 

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I didn't I didn't and uh it was a lot of

 

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fun it was definitely different for me

 

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um but I feel like I was introduced to

 

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it from a couple of the best in the game

 

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oh you definitely definitely were and

 

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for you guys that don't know who he's

 

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taught me it's Benton Bowman and Kyle

 

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krickenberger uh very accomplished

 

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coyote Hunters big in the uh coyote uh

 

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calling competition world has won some

 

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of the biggest competitions there is

 

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actually won the uh U.S Predator calling

 

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Championship where they had to compete

 

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in the big Eastern tournament uh a

 

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Midwest tournament and a western

 

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tournament and they you know they got

 

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first place in that so that's big time

 

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uh big big names in the in the coyote

 

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calling World especially nighttime stuff

 

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yeah they don't mess around no some of

 

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the best best who's ever done it for

 

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sure

 

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right that's a good that's that's some

 

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good teachers that's some good people to

 

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introduce you to it you start off with a

 

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home run for sure

 

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yeah I know they had come up a couple

 

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years in a row and the first year they

 

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come up I had never used a thermal or

 

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even looked through one and then the

 

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following year by the time they come up

 

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the next year I had my own right you're

 

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right that you didn't take you long to

 

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go ahead and jump right into the game

 

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huh no well it's good to be well-rounded

 

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right you know and day hunting can be

 

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real good scouting

 

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for night hunting so you know being a

 

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day Hunter and I know there's coyotes in

 

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a spot that I you know wasn't able to

 

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call in during the daytime or they were

 

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hung up on me being able to go in there

 

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at night

 

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it was a game changer right right well

 

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since we're kind of on that subject

 

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there what do you see

 

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um of course a lot of us do know this

 

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but what do you see as the main

 

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differences

 

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the size for the obvious when it comes

 

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to daytime hunting versus nighttime

 

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hunting

 

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well there's a lot of differences John

 

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um

 

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I think daytime

 

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it's a little tougher of a grind

 

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um

 

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there's a lot of variables hey you can

 

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almost throw out the window during that

 

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you know during the day

 

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that you don't have to worry about at

 

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night right

 

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um and this is just from my experiences

 

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personally

 

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um I think one of the biggest

 

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differences is like all these spots if

 

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you're a day hunter that you couldn't

 

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call because there is no cover for you

 

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to sit in right well now you can now you

 

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can stand in the middle of the field and

 

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with daytime hunting uh you're kind of

 

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restricted to your setup on your stands

 

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where you might only have a little cover

 

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here or with night hunting you can

 

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pretty much go in there and set up and

 

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stand and set the call anywhere you want

 

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right right

 

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so

 

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and and the thought of like when I was

 

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just day hunting the thought of being

 

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able to stand in the middle of a fresh

 

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cut Hayfield and have a coyote run up to

 

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50 yards on you without seeing you it's

 

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kind of ludicrous huh

 

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it just blowed my mind but it just it

 

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makes it's fun I like it both right oh

 

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for sure well tell us uh you know

 

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what what do you love about say just

 

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let's talk about daytime calling what do

 

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you love about daytime calling

 

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um instead you know instead of night you

 

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know your day well the first thing I the

 

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the first thing I'd say is not having to

 

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hold something in your face so you can

 

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see right like it's like a scanner or

 

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whatever right right exactly and

 

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actually being able to see all the way

 

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out in the fields without having to look

 

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through anything correct

 

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um and I like them early mornings and

 

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right before dark Sands and I've got up

 

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early since I was just a little kid I

 

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mean I just had a liar might still be up

 

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a half hour before the alarm but

 

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um I've always been an early morning

 

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person and you know something about

 

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seeing no sunrises and the sun going

 

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down I mean there ain't nothing better

 

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Kyle you know throw a coyote in with

 

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that it just tops it off right right

 

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what about uh what about night time what

 

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what drags Eric Hammond out into the

 

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dark hours to call cows well I think a

 

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lot of night Hunters could agree with me

 

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that

 

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it fits your schedule better than day

 

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hunting you know for the average

 

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you know guy out there that's a Night

 

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Hunter that's working 40 or 50 hours a

 

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week or something being able to go home

 

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from work and have dinner with the

 

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family or whatever and then maybe go out

 

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later

 

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um

 

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so I feel like if it's people's

 

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schedules pretty good

 

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um you know what gets me out really is I

 

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go out either or day or night but it's

 

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good to switch it up because

 

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years ago a couple years ago I was just

 

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night hunting just like two three nights

 

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a week and there's a point to that where

 

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it felt like it was almost burning me

 

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out right right and I need to get back

 

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out there in the daytime and do what

 

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I've always done right so I find a happy

 

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medium where

 

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you know I'm not

 

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just stuck on going out at night or

 

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whatever I like going in during the

 

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daytime even if I'm a night hunt

 

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like I'm a firm believer of

 

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piss poor preparation leads to piss poor

 

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performance right and if you can go into

 

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a stand in the daytime and maybe call it

 

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and see the land or whatever if it's a

 

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new spot then that's a little bit of

 

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homework for when you go in there at

 

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night you can be like okay I know I need

 

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to be up on this hill

 

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um night vision or the thermals it's

 

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kind of hard to see like rolls in the

 

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field and you know I've lost them that

 

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way going in without being in there in

 

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the daytime before and

 

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I'm sure there's a lot of guys that

 

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go into fresh stands that's never been

 

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called or they've never seen before and

 

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call on a coyote but there is times

 

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where you can do that and they can pop

 

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like right out of a roll in the field

 

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and then he'd disappear on you and

 

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right yeah

 

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so I'm sure you're talking about uh be

 

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able to go and seeing the lay of the

 

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land and stuff for daytime it helps you

 

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with your nighttime hunting but I'm sure

 

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the same can be said for uh you can go

 

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Night Hunter place and it can probably

 

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I'm just guessing could probably help

 

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you understand that ground better for a

 

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daytime hunt as well right I mean yeah I

 

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mean coyote tracks are around and that

 

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type of stuff right right I feel like

 

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the nighttime is more productive like

 

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you know like I've been in the stands

 

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where you know you get them talking or

 

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whatever and you know sometimes they

 

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just ain't showing their face right and

 

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then you can go in there at night and

 

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them jokers are already out in the field

 

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right

 

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oh yeah so it's tough you know I've had

 

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um

 

0:11:12.480,0:11:16.680

kind of switch gears here just a little

 

0:11:14.459,0:11:18.779

bit you know I'll have I pretty much

 

0:11:16.680,0:11:21.180

just all night time hunting I have or

 

0:11:18.779,0:11:23.160

daytime hun I have been out at night but

 

0:11:21.180,0:11:25.500

I've never actually really hunting

 

0:11:23.160,0:11:27.959

myself at night I went and filmed some

 

0:11:25.500,0:11:29.160

uh Cody hassinger the Foxpro crew and

 

0:11:27.959,0:11:30.720

stuff like that you know they're the

 

0:11:29.160,0:11:33.420

ones on the thermal doing the actual

 

0:11:30.720,0:11:36.000

hunting I'm just behind the camera so I

 

0:11:33.420,0:11:38.760

have been out there and done it but to

 

0:11:36.000,0:11:41.760

call myself a Night Hunter I'm not but I

 

0:11:38.760,0:11:43.620

do have night hunters will message me

 

0:11:41.760,0:11:48.240

every once in a while say Hey you know

 

0:11:43.620,0:11:49.380

I'm looking to expand my daytime stands

 

0:11:48.240,0:11:51.360

a little bit you know I want to get into

 

0:11:49.380,0:11:53.640

some more daytime hunting but I'm not

 

0:11:51.360,0:11:54.779

having much luck with it uh what do I

 

0:11:53.640,0:11:55.740

need to do different which of course

 

0:11:54.779,0:11:57.480

that's a

 

0:11:55.740,0:11:58.560

that's a pretty broad question because

 

0:11:57.480,0:12:01.320

you don't know what they've been doing

 

0:11:58.560,0:12:04.019

wrong but it seems like what hangs up

 

0:12:01.320,0:12:05.399

some just pure nighttime Hunters is is

 

0:12:04.019,0:12:07.380

they try to go about things how they

 

0:12:05.399,0:12:09.300

would at night you know when you are

 

0:12:07.380,0:12:11.040

hunting nighttime stuff you're actually

 

0:12:09.300,0:12:13.800

hunting coyotes when they're most active

 

0:12:11.040,0:12:15.120

they're on their feet being coyotes

 

0:12:13.800,0:12:16.680

they're out hunting themselves and

 

0:12:15.120,0:12:18.779

that's the spot you actually try to hunt

 

0:12:16.680,0:12:20.700

and call them out of and when it comes

 

0:12:18.779,0:12:22.440

to daytime hunting You Gotta Throw all

 

0:12:20.700,0:12:24.480

that stuff out the window you can't hunt

 

0:12:22.440,0:12:26.519

those areas where they are on their feet

 

0:12:24.480,0:12:28.620

hunting you've got to concentrate on

 

0:12:26.519,0:12:30.420

those areas where they uh were they bed

 

0:12:28.620,0:12:32.519

up for the day you're trying to write

 

0:12:30.420,0:12:34.620

out those areas and call them out of

 

0:12:32.519,0:12:35.760

their bed would you say that's pretty

 

0:12:34.620,0:12:38.940

accurate

 

0:12:35.760,0:12:42.360

yeah no I'd say you're 100 accurate

 

0:12:38.940,0:12:44.160

you know 100 because

 

0:12:42.360,0:12:47.220

yeah and

 

0:12:44.160,0:12:49.820

just like you said you know that

 

0:12:47.220,0:12:52.139

they're more active at night I feel like

 

0:12:49.820,0:12:54.540

daytime you really need to push back

 

0:12:52.139,0:12:56.760

like you said there get back on them or

 

0:12:54.540,0:12:59.760

they're bedded up or hanging out right

 

0:12:56.760,0:13:02.459

for the day and you know that's

 

0:12:59.760,0:13:04.019

that's good to be well-rounded as in the

 

0:13:02.459,0:13:07.200

day hunter or Night Hunter because say

 

0:13:04.019,0:13:09.180

you pick up some property and you got

 

0:13:07.200,0:13:11.459

all these nice Fields by the road that

 

0:13:09.180,0:13:13.740

would be great nice fans but then you

 

0:13:11.459,0:13:16.560

got these fields that you have to walk

 

0:13:13.740,0:13:18.600

to that are half a mile three quarters

 

0:13:16.560,0:13:21.180

of a mile back right you know not too

 

0:13:18.600,0:13:23.820

not too many night Hunters I mean

 

0:13:21.180,0:13:27.139

speaking for myself is it going to walk

 

0:13:23.820,0:13:29.519

that far at night you know like

 

0:13:27.139,0:13:31.500

it's just good to be well-rounded hey

 

0:13:29.519,0:13:34.440

I've I've always said when it comes to

 

0:13:31.500,0:13:36.899

coyotes they've got uh they've got four

 

0:13:34.440,0:13:38.399

legs and I've got two them suckers can

 

0:13:36.899,0:13:41.899

get them to me that trees me running Fox

 

0:13:38.399,0:13:45.660

probably right that's right that's right

 

0:13:41.899,0:13:48.540

let me ask you about this uh how does

 

0:13:45.660,0:13:50.579

your calling style differ from daytime

 

0:13:48.540,0:13:52.139

stands to night time stands are you

 

0:13:50.579,0:13:53.880

running like the same length of

 

0:13:52.139,0:13:57.079

sequences and stuff like that or do you

 

0:13:53.880,0:13:57.079

call or one

 

0:13:57.720,0:14:03.480

I'd say the daytime John I give myself

 

0:14:00.180,0:14:06.720

like a half hour minimum of Colin we're

 

0:14:03.480,0:14:09.899

at nine that's 20 minutes okay okay so

 

0:14:06.720,0:14:12.540

you're making longer daytime stance

 

0:14:09.899,0:14:14.399

yeah well I've just had you know like

 

0:14:12.540,0:14:16.380

I've had them coyotes come in right at

 

0:14:14.399,0:14:19.200

the end of the stand and right I mean

 

0:14:16.380,0:14:21.920

I've seen I've seen it happen so when I

 

0:14:19.200,0:14:24.779

was younger years ago I had a 45 minute

 

0:14:21.920,0:14:27.660

limit on a stand where I'd sit for 45

 

0:14:24.779,0:14:30.000

minutes I understand that you know

 

0:14:27.660,0:14:31.980

obviously if you can up the odds by

 

0:14:30.000,0:14:35.160

shortening your stand and doing more

 

0:14:31.980,0:14:38.040

stands you know but at that point I

 

0:14:35.160,0:14:39.600

wasn't in a big hurry to kill uh you

 

0:14:38.040,0:14:42.480

know a lot of coyotes I was just trying

 

0:14:39.600,0:14:44.880

to kill one at a time type of deal right

 

0:14:42.480,0:14:46.019

right right because I mean there's no

 

0:14:44.880,0:14:47.459

doubt about it if you're wanting to

 

0:14:46.019,0:14:50.240

stack numbers up

 

0:14:47.459,0:14:51.860

as they say night time is the right time

 

0:14:50.240,0:14:56.459

right

 

0:14:51.860,0:15:00.000

absolutely absolutely what about your um

 

0:14:56.459,0:15:01.380

when it comes to day versus night uh you

 

0:15:00.000,0:15:04.560

know you said you're making longer

 

0:15:01.380,0:15:06.779

stands during the day what about your

 

0:15:04.560,0:15:08.220

calling sequences do they change like if

 

0:15:06.779,0:15:11.820

you were going to go hunting tomorrow

 

0:15:08.220,0:15:13.740

morning would that uh sound sequence be

 

0:15:11.820,0:15:16.139

different than what you would run say

 

0:15:13.740,0:15:17.040

tonight if you just go after sunset

 

0:15:16.139,0:15:19.920

tonight

 

0:15:17.040,0:15:22.680

no it'd be absolutely the same so you

 

0:15:19.920,0:15:24.779

run the same type of sounds same type of

 

0:15:22.680,0:15:27.300

experiences you're just stretching those

 

0:15:24.779,0:15:29.279

stands out longer like maybe running

 

0:15:27.300,0:15:32.279

your sounds for a longer period of time

 

0:15:29.279,0:15:34.680

during the daytime yeah I mean I tend to

 

0:15:32.279,0:15:36.779

toggle back between sounds you know with

 

0:15:34.680,0:15:40.260

like the recall button

 

0:15:36.779,0:15:42.000

the T the Foxpro remote like I'll I'll

 

0:15:40.260,0:15:43.019

toggle back and forth through sounds

 

0:15:42.000,0:15:45.480

like

 

0:15:43.019,0:15:47.399

pound town and pop distress like on the

 

0:15:45.480,0:15:49.800

x24 because you can't play two sounds

 

0:15:47.399,0:15:51.779

obviously but I've always been a big fan

 

0:15:49.800,0:15:54.540

of like toggling back and forth between

 

0:15:51.779,0:15:56.699

like coyote vocals more I'm not saying

 

0:15:54.540,0:15:58.620

like rabbits or distresses or whatever

 

0:15:56.699,0:16:01.380

right right

 

0:15:58.620,0:16:03.720

well what do you what do you see from

 

0:16:01.380,0:16:05.880

from coyotes the actual coyotes

 

0:16:03.720,0:16:07.980

themselves how they respond to the call

 

0:16:05.880,0:16:09.540

they versus night is there any

 

0:16:07.980,0:16:13.139

differences in how you see them actually

 

0:16:09.540,0:16:14.639

approach the call uh absolutely yeah I

 

0:16:13.139,0:16:15.959

feel like they're more confident at

 

0:16:14.639,0:16:18.060

night

 

0:16:15.959,0:16:20.519

um I feel like in the cover of dark

 

0:16:18.060,0:16:22.740

darkness they're just they're moving

 

0:16:20.519,0:16:25.800

around a little bit easier you know

 

0:16:22.740,0:16:28.019

they're a little bit more comfortable

 

0:16:25.800,0:16:29.220

um like I said at night you'll catch

 

0:16:28.019,0:16:31.500

them right out in the middle of the

 

0:16:29.220,0:16:33.779

fields you know anybody that's been out

 

0:16:31.500,0:16:35.820

there night hunting I'm sure that's

 

0:16:33.779,0:16:37.860

happened to him before where

 

0:16:35.820,0:16:39.240

I mean daytime you can catch them out in

 

0:16:37.860,0:16:42.300

the field once in a while but it's not

 

0:16:39.240,0:16:44.160

like the night like at night where you

 

0:16:42.300,0:16:45.540

you'll catch them out and feel more you

 

0:16:44.160,0:16:46.800

will during the day

 

0:16:45.540,0:16:48.180

that's another thing if you catch them

 

0:16:46.800,0:16:50.160

out in the field during the night like

 

0:16:48.180,0:16:51.480

see them with a scanner or whatever it's

 

0:16:50.160,0:16:54.540

probably a lot easier to go get set up

 

0:16:51.480,0:16:55.740

on those coyotes versus it is it is you

 

0:16:54.540,0:16:57.959

know I'm going during the daytime hours

 

0:16:55.740,0:17:00.779

where they can see you yeah one of the

 

0:16:57.959,0:17:03.720

cool things that I was really Blown Away

 

0:17:00.779,0:17:06.480

by is at night when I first started

 

0:17:03.720,0:17:09.179

humbling thermals there as how you could

 

0:17:06.480,0:17:11.220

how you could literally like walk up on

 

0:17:09.179,0:17:14.760

a coyote you could spot them out in the

 

0:17:11.220,0:17:17.040

field at 100 yards 200 yards and if the

 

0:17:14.760,0:17:20.100

wind was good for you and the moon

 

0:17:17.040,0:17:23.280

wasn't out you just I've snuck right up

 

0:17:20.100,0:17:25.620

30 40 yards behind them and I just blown

 

0:17:23.280,0:17:27.179

away by it right that is pretty wild you

 

0:17:25.620,0:17:28.679

think about it and they've turned they

 

0:17:27.179,0:17:30.179

turn right around and look at you and

 

0:17:28.679,0:17:32.280

you just stand there and freeze and they

 

0:17:30.179,0:17:35.400

get back to Madison or whatever right

 

0:17:32.280,0:17:36.720

right what about uh I just got to think

 

0:17:35.400,0:17:39.120

about this I know you got into them

 

0:17:36.720,0:17:41.039

while you were still up in Vermont uh

 

0:17:39.120,0:17:42.480

what about bobcats I mean were you

 

0:17:41.039,0:17:45.000

allowed to cut were you allowed to hunt

 

0:17:42.480,0:17:47.700

cats at night in Vermont or was it just

 

0:17:45.000,0:17:50.580

no no you're not even allowed to hunt

 

0:17:47.700,0:17:53.400

fox up there at night just strictly just

 

0:17:50.580,0:17:55.320

strictly coyotes up there and uh Ohio's

 

0:17:53.400,0:17:57.360

the same way you can only huh you can't

 

0:17:55.320,0:18:01.160

you can't go after the Bobcats either

 

0:17:57.360,0:18:04.440

right well yeah Ohio

 

0:18:01.160,0:18:06.620

Bobcats are I don't know protected or

 

0:18:04.440,0:18:10.380

whatever endangered I don't know

 

0:18:06.620,0:18:12.660

hey can you no and I've called in so

 

0:18:10.380,0:18:14.280

many and these these Bobcats it seems

 

0:18:12.660,0:18:17.460

like they're not even afraid of humans

 

0:18:14.280,0:18:20.340

because it's like no hunting pressure on

 

0:18:17.460,0:18:22.679

them I call this one bobcat in and he

 

0:18:20.340,0:18:24.660

got to like 30 40 yards and I stood up

 

0:18:22.679,0:18:27.179

against this tree I was leaning against

 

0:18:24.660,0:18:30.179

and something just sat there didn't even

 

0:18:27.179,0:18:33.120

run off right like you had mentioned to

 

0:18:30.179,0:18:35.880

me you know I I spent uh a little bit of

 

0:18:33.120,0:18:37.620

deer deer camp in some some time with

 

0:18:35.880,0:18:39.600

Eric and deer campster a few weeks ago

 

0:18:37.620,0:18:40.799

and we were talking about the Bobcats

 

0:18:39.600,0:18:42.960

and stuff and he let me know that you

 

0:18:40.799,0:18:45.840

can't hunt him in Ohio but you were

 

0:18:42.960,0:18:47.580

telling me just uh there's a ton of them

 

0:18:45.840,0:18:49.380

up there in the area that you're in said

 

0:18:47.580,0:18:51.299

you'd go out at night get to Colin and

 

0:18:49.380,0:18:52.919

you'd see something approaching it'd be

 

0:18:51.299,0:18:55.380

a cat I mean you've caught in several

 

0:18:52.919,0:18:58.080

cats up there haven't you I feel like

 

0:18:55.380,0:19:00.600

it's almost like a 50 50 chance if

 

0:18:58.080,0:19:01.799

you're playing a distress like a rabbit

 

0:19:00.600,0:19:04.559

or something

 

0:19:01.799,0:19:08.100

or a bird I feel like it's a 50 50

 

0:19:04.559,0:19:10.200

chance where I've been hunting that you

 

0:19:08.100,0:19:12.059

call on a cat

 

0:19:10.200,0:19:13.679

um and I think that the state of Ohio

 

0:19:12.059,0:19:15.539

would do something about it sooner or

 

0:19:13.679,0:19:17.520

later because you get that high number

 

0:19:15.539,0:19:20.400

of bobcats

 

0:19:17.520,0:19:22.880

um they just they raise havoc on a small

 

0:19:20.400,0:19:26.160

game right well you know when something

 

0:19:22.880,0:19:28.620

Bobcats too and especially coyotes you

 

0:19:26.160,0:19:29.820

know when when their their numbers get

 

0:19:28.620,0:19:33.539

so high

 

0:19:29.820,0:19:35.400

they can actually be you know they're

 

0:19:33.539,0:19:37.260

not only hurting species around them but

 

0:19:35.400,0:19:38.700

they can also be a detriment to

 

0:19:37.260,0:19:41.220

theirselves as well

 

0:19:38.700,0:19:43.200

right right that's kind of it's kind of

 

0:19:41.220,0:19:45.059

wild it's almost like Ohio probably know

 

0:19:43.200,0:19:48.179

how many bobcats they've got

 

0:19:45.059,0:19:50.460

no I had to talk to uh one of the fish

 

0:19:48.179,0:19:51.660

and wildlife guys at the store one day

 

0:19:50.460,0:19:54.240

and he was like you need to start

 

0:19:51.660,0:19:56.580

recording when you see him and where you

 

0:19:54.240,0:19:58.500

see him and stuff I was like you guys

 

0:19:56.580,0:20:00.600

got to do something about this right

 

0:19:58.500,0:20:01.799

right you feel a whole log book up

 

0:20:00.600,0:20:03.120

sounds like

 

0:20:01.799,0:20:05.460

yeah

 

0:20:03.120,0:20:07.679

but

 

0:20:05.460,0:20:09.600

but I do miss having Bobcats I mean up

 

0:20:07.679,0:20:14.400

in Vermont there's a three-week season

 

0:20:09.600,0:20:17.400

January 10th uh February 9th

 

0:20:14.400,0:20:20.160

and uh I've killed a few good ones up

 

0:20:17.400,0:20:22.440

there and some Majestic about seeing

 

0:20:20.160,0:20:25.020

Bobcat you know across the field coming

 

0:20:22.440,0:20:26.760

stocking yeah they're a cool animal for

 

0:20:25.020,0:20:29.220

sure you definitely remember one of them

 

0:20:26.760,0:20:31.500

you ever called in that's for sure and

 

0:20:29.220,0:20:34.700

you remember the ones you missed too man

 

0:20:31.500,0:20:34.700

we don't want to talk about that

 

0:20:35.220,0:20:39.660

let's get back to let's get back to the

 

0:20:37.140,0:20:43.200

coyotes what uh was talking about you

 

0:20:39.660,0:20:45.419

know if your setups differ and your call

 

0:20:43.200,0:20:48.059

sequence and stuff like that won't you

 

0:20:45.419,0:20:50.640

tell us what a typical

 

0:20:48.059,0:20:53.039

calling sequence is for air Cam and say

 

0:20:50.640,0:20:53.820

like a wintertime sequence what are you

 

0:20:53.039,0:20:56.580

running

 

0:20:53.820,0:20:59.340

oh man in the last few years I've really

 

0:20:56.580,0:21:00.840

been majority coyote vocals it just

 

0:20:59.340,0:21:03.720

seems like it's getting them to the

 

0:21:00.840,0:21:05.760

field quicker but I'm always you know

 

0:21:03.720,0:21:08.700

throwing in a rabbit or a bird here and

 

0:21:05.760,0:21:11.640

there but typically I'd say pretty much

 

0:21:08.700,0:21:14.160

coyote vocals 90 percent of the sand and

 

0:21:11.640,0:21:16.260

depending what time of the year it is if

 

0:21:14.160,0:21:18.539

I'm gonna throw a rabbit first or last

 

0:21:16.260,0:21:19.700

right right well let's say like a

 

0:21:18.539,0:21:22.440

December

 

0:21:19.700,0:21:24.299

December January type coyote stand and

 

0:21:22.440,0:21:25.980

go ahead and get specific tell us send

 

0:21:24.299,0:21:28.700

me a secret Terry what what how are you

 

0:21:25.980,0:21:28.700

starting off with

 

0:21:28.740,0:21:35.280

I mean I'm pretty it's gonna be some of

 

0:21:32.220,0:21:38.100

those mfk vocals I'm sure

 

0:21:35.280,0:21:40.380

um but maybe some Boon long wine house

 

0:21:38.100,0:21:42.299

I'm just actually grabbing one of the

 

0:21:40.380,0:21:44.280

remotes to my fox core right now because

 

0:21:42.299,0:21:49.020

you know just as well as I do all these

 

0:21:44.280,0:21:51.780

and the cable uh vocals are overwhelming

 

0:21:49.020,0:21:53.580

we've talked about that and we've

 

0:21:51.780,0:21:55.679

actually said that right here on the uh

 

0:21:53.580,0:21:58.080

podcast before it's kind of almost like

 

0:21:55.679,0:22:01.080

just beating a dead horse but you know

 

0:21:58.080,0:22:02.340

they're new to some of us and they are

 

0:22:01.080,0:22:04.020

overwhelming because there's so many

 

0:22:02.340,0:22:05.820

good sounds it's not just a lot of

 

0:22:04.020,0:22:07.919

sounds it's a lot of

 

0:22:05.820,0:22:10.799

awesome sounds you know great sounds

 

0:22:07.919,0:22:13.380

that seem like everyone on my heat hit I

 

0:22:10.799,0:22:15.299

see a positive reaction too and still

 

0:22:13.380,0:22:18.299

taking time to learn them

 

0:22:15.299,0:22:21.299

yeah I'm with you 100 it's I mean I

 

0:22:18.299,0:22:23.580

don't think I've heard an mfk sound that

 

0:22:21.299,0:22:26.880

I don't like you know and that's so

 

0:22:23.580,0:22:29.460

that's the overwhelming part about it is

 

0:22:26.880,0:22:30.720

so many good sounds right and I don't

 

0:22:29.460,0:22:32.640

know I guess you could say I'm a

 

0:22:30.720,0:22:34.799

creature a habit and I was just sticking

 

0:22:32.640,0:22:37.280

in those Foxborough sounds

 

0:22:34.799,0:22:40.080

for a long time

 

0:22:37.280,0:22:43.020

excellent sounds as well

 

0:22:40.080,0:22:45.900

they're absolutely excellent sounds but

 

0:22:43.020,0:22:47.220

you throw those and pair those up with

 

0:22:45.900,0:22:50.700

the mfk

 

0:22:47.220,0:22:53.460

Kyle vocals there I mean it don't get no

 

0:22:50.700,0:22:57.120

better no if you ask me between the fox

 

0:22:53.460,0:22:58.260

Pro library and the mfk library Best of

 

0:22:57.120,0:23:00.659

Both Worlds

 

0:22:58.260,0:23:02.220

absolutely

 

0:23:00.659,0:23:03.780

um but we'll get back to the coyote

 

0:23:02.220,0:23:06.000

stand

 

0:23:03.780,0:23:08.760

um I would probably you know throw out

 

0:23:06.000,0:23:10.620

that Boone lone Winehouse and I'd let

 

0:23:08.760,0:23:13.620

that go for a little bit so we're

 

0:23:10.620,0:23:16.320

talking December yep

 

0:23:13.620,0:23:19.919

and you know I wanted her I'd throw out

 

0:23:16.320,0:23:21.360

some Papa yep I love I love that Foxpro

 

0:23:19.919,0:23:24.299

female sub

 

0:23:21.360,0:23:27.480

in between coyote vocals I'll toggle

 

0:23:24.299,0:23:30.600

that uh Foxpro female sub yeah like if

 

0:23:27.480,0:23:33.240

I'm doing Audi female submissive yep oh

 

0:23:30.600,0:23:36.120

yeah yeah works great and I heard on the

 

0:23:33.240,0:23:38.700

last oh yeah and I heard on the last

 

0:23:36.120,0:23:41.400

podcast there how uh you guys were

 

0:23:38.700,0:23:44.340

saying toggle that with you know the cup

 

0:23:41.400,0:23:47.220

three yeah I've been I've been doing

 

0:23:44.340,0:23:49.200

that for years it is a great combo he is

 

0:23:47.220,0:23:51.840

and I'll tell you Otto a lot of people

 

0:23:49.200,0:23:53.640

have overlooked that it's almost seemed

 

0:23:51.840,0:23:55.679

like when you say female coyotes

 

0:23:53.640,0:23:56.760

submissive from Fox Pro it's like yeah I

 

0:23:55.679,0:23:58.260

don't know what you're talking about I

 

0:23:56.760,0:23:59.640

like well it's it's been on there for a

 

0:23:58.260,0:24:01.679

long time you need to be putting it in

 

0:23:59.640,0:24:03.539

play I use it later on yeah I'll use it

 

0:24:01.679,0:24:05.580

let it like it's got a first little

 

0:24:03.539,0:24:07.500

sequence and then it pauses and then it

 

0:24:05.580,0:24:09.419

goes into a second one right after

 

0:24:07.500,0:24:11.400

that's usually the one I I'm pouring up

 

0:24:09.419,0:24:13.260

drop the bomb on them yeah yeah they

 

0:24:11.400,0:24:15.240

come screaming out to it that's a great

 

0:24:13.260,0:24:16.799

sound it's great sound yeah all right

 

0:24:15.240,0:24:19.320

keep up with your sequence there sorry

 

0:24:16.799,0:24:21.720

about interrupting you no it's all good

 

0:24:19.320,0:24:23.340

though and then I'd probably just do

 

0:24:21.720,0:24:26.159

like maybe five to eight minutes of

 

0:24:23.340,0:24:28.679

coyote vocals December and then I throw

 

0:24:26.159,0:24:31.559

it on you know baby Cottontail mid

 

0:24:28.679,0:24:34.919

volume for a few minutes nothing I'd

 

0:24:31.559,0:24:37.919

probably play Mrs McConnell or Mr mccot

 

0:24:34.919,0:24:40.799

Tail a little bit louder

 

0:24:37.919,0:24:42.299

maybe five minutes of that total and

 

0:24:40.799,0:24:44.460

I'll go right back into the coyote

 

0:24:42.299,0:24:48.179

vocals get into some maybe some group

 

0:24:44.460,0:24:50.880

house and uh maybe some Pound Town some

 

0:24:48.179,0:24:52.620

pup three right you know it seems like

 

0:24:50.880,0:24:55.020

after you do the first little bit of

 

0:24:52.620,0:24:57.720

coyote vocals and you switch to that

 

0:24:55.020,0:24:59.820

animal distress sound you know prey

 

0:24:57.720,0:25:01.860

distress tend to get a little more

 

0:24:59.820,0:25:04.380

aggressive next time I'm back on the

 

0:25:01.860,0:25:07.380

vocals right right so you're starting

 

0:25:04.380,0:25:09.900

off with some lone hell type stuff yeah

 

0:25:07.380,0:25:13.020

maybe some submissive sounds for the

 

0:25:09.900,0:25:14.460

first five six seven eight minutes and

 

0:25:13.020,0:25:17.039

then you're gonna play rabbits You'll

 

0:25:14.460,0:25:19.440

Play up to two rabbits right yeah well

 

0:25:17.039,0:25:20.880

I'll play you know probably like baby

 

0:25:19.440,0:25:23.820

Cottontail or something because it's

 

0:25:20.880,0:25:26.159

kind of a quieter rabbit and you know

 

0:25:23.820,0:25:27.900

get that get the volume start at mid

 

0:25:26.159,0:25:28.679

level get the volume up on that if

 

0:25:27.900,0:25:31.320

nothing

 

0:25:28.679,0:25:32.700

you know shows up then I would switch

 

0:25:31.320,0:25:35.880

over to something a little bit louder

 

0:25:32.700,0:25:37.559

and get the volume up there and nothing

 

0:25:35.880,0:25:39.840

shows there and then

 

0:25:37.559,0:25:42.059

right back to Coyote vocals and then you

 

0:25:39.840,0:25:43.260

get into like late December January and

 

0:25:42.059,0:25:46.260

then you start getting into the

 

0:25:43.260,0:25:48.539

challenge house and yeah breeding season

 

0:25:46.260,0:25:50.159

so when you when you get done with your

 

0:25:48.539,0:25:52.500

prey distress handles how you run two

 

0:25:50.159,0:25:54.179

rabbits and you go back to Coyote vocals

 

0:25:52.500,0:25:55.200

or you're going back to house or are you

 

0:25:54.179,0:25:56.779

talking about you doing more pup

 

0:25:55.200,0:25:59.340

distress

 

0:25:56.779,0:26:00.720

I would probably do like coyote group

 

0:25:59.340,0:26:01.559

house

 

0:26:00.720,0:26:04.440

um

 

0:26:01.559,0:26:07.380

you know I like the Foxpro coyote family

 

0:26:04.440,0:26:10.740

that's a good one and then there's uh

 

0:26:07.380,0:26:12.659

coyote group yipsin house and then I go

 

0:26:10.740,0:26:16.340

right back toggling with that female

 

0:26:12.659,0:26:19.159

submissive maybe some Pub distress three

 

0:26:16.340,0:26:21.179

toggle back with the female dismissive

 

0:26:19.159,0:26:24.659

submissive and then

 

0:26:21.179,0:26:28.260

I'm a big fan of that mfk pound town I

 

0:26:24.659,0:26:31.559

mean oh man killer sounds you know and

 

0:26:28.260,0:26:34.620

you can even start that start a standoff

 

0:26:31.559,0:26:36.299

with that anytime you don't have to you

 

0:26:34.620,0:26:38.279

know crank the volume right up on it but

 

0:26:36.299,0:26:40.260

man that sound right there has just been

 

0:26:38.279,0:26:41.640

pretty productive for me just go ahead

 

0:26:40.260,0:26:43.159

and give them the smoke right off the

 

0:26:41.640,0:26:46.279

bat right

 

0:26:43.159,0:26:49.440

coming in hot John Collins

 

0:26:46.279,0:26:51.600

I like I like it well you mentioned uh

 

0:26:49.440,0:26:54.059

you mentioned breeding season you know

 

0:26:51.600,0:26:56.460

January February tell me tell me what a

 

0:26:54.059,0:26:58.559

breeding uh season type sequence looks

 

0:26:56.460,0:27:00.840

like for Eric Hammond day and night or

 

0:26:58.559,0:27:02.760

you know or if it would be any different

 

0:27:00.840,0:27:06.480

well to be honest it wouldn't be any

 

0:27:02.760,0:27:08.880

different sequence day or night but I'd

 

0:27:06.480,0:27:13.380

I'd be doing a lot more like lone house

 

0:27:08.880,0:27:14.580

and like uh male own house

 

0:27:13.380,0:27:17.039

um

 

0:27:14.580,0:27:19.020

to challenge house

 

0:27:17.039,0:27:22.559

yeah I mean bringing scene is a good

 

0:27:19.020,0:27:24.480

time for pound town too oh yeah yeah I

 

0:27:22.559,0:27:27.240

played yeah you play Pound Town year

 

0:27:24.480,0:27:30.000

round they're probably you know I'm new

 

0:27:27.240,0:27:33.020

to the sound but it's already become

 

0:27:30.000,0:27:35.940

it's already proven itself to me so much

 

0:27:33.020,0:27:39.240

right that I'll probably hardly ever

 

0:27:35.940,0:27:42.539

leave a stand without playing it I mean

 

0:27:39.240,0:27:44.720

yeah I agree with you we've got to we

 

0:27:42.539,0:27:48.120

got our favorites that you know we

 

0:27:44.720,0:27:50.880

routinely play just about every stand

 

0:27:48.120,0:27:52.620

pretty much all year round the only

 

0:27:50.880,0:27:55.200

thing that really changes is when you're

 

0:27:52.620,0:27:57.480

playing them in the sand exactly exactly

 

0:27:55.200,0:28:00.480

we'll see you know

 

0:27:57.480,0:28:03.000

so but that female Emperor's breeding

 

0:28:00.480,0:28:06.600

season I've had you know good luck with

 

0:28:03.000,0:28:08.760

that toggle and that female wimpers in

 

0:28:06.600,0:28:10.860

um with like pop distress that recall

 

0:28:08.760,0:28:12.659

button on the tx1000 is just great

 

0:28:10.860,0:28:15.059

because you can go to one sound

 

0:28:12.659,0:28:17.400

and then you can toggle right back to

 

0:28:15.059,0:28:21.059

the sound you're at before right

 

0:28:17.400,0:28:23.159

so it's great I mean I look at my remote

 

0:28:21.059,0:28:27.179

and my recall button is worn just about

 

0:28:23.159,0:28:29.580

right off all right yep mine's the same

 

0:28:27.179,0:28:31.260

way same way for sure

 

0:28:29.580,0:28:32.279

right and you was talking about you're

 

0:28:31.260,0:28:34.380

talking about these breeding season

 

0:28:32.279,0:28:35.820

sounds like the female whimpers and

 

0:28:34.380,0:28:37.620

stuff like that that's another thing I'm

 

0:28:35.820,0:28:39.960

looking forward to this this breeding

 

0:28:37.620,0:28:41.700

season is you know you and I we've got a

 

0:28:39.960,0:28:43.799

whole different set of sounds we can use

 

0:28:41.700,0:28:46.559

now because mfk has a pretty good list

 

0:28:43.799,0:28:48.360

of breeding breeding season fights and

 

0:28:46.559,0:28:49.140

wampers and all that type of stuff as

 

0:28:48.360,0:28:51.200

well

 

0:28:49.140,0:28:54.000

to say I'm excited us and understand

 

0:28:51.200,0:28:58.200

you're right

 

0:28:54.000,0:29:00.600

yeah and hats off to those guys at mfk I

 

0:28:58.200,0:29:03.299

mean Tory I mean what a wealth of

 

0:29:00.600,0:29:06.120

knowledge that guy is he's really I mean

 

0:29:03.299,0:29:09.240

he's really opened up my eyes quite a

 

0:29:06.120,0:29:12.059

bit and his knowledge and sharing it

 

0:29:09.240,0:29:13.679

with everybody in a coyote hunt industry

 

0:29:12.059,0:29:16.740

is just great I mean I watched these

 

0:29:13.679,0:29:20.100

podcasts were going on you know 10 15

 

0:29:16.740,0:29:22.500

years ago right right yeah you know if

 

0:29:20.100,0:29:24.360

you can if you can listen to these and

 

0:29:22.500,0:29:26.159

you know maybe take something somebody

 

0:29:24.360,0:29:27.960

sets you and you go out and have some

 

0:29:26.159,0:29:31.380

success it's

 

0:29:27.960,0:29:34.440

it's good oh man it's these podcasts are

 

0:29:31.380,0:29:36.120

great for for everybody I mean you know

 

0:29:34.440,0:29:38.460

I've been coyote hunting for a long time

 

0:29:36.120,0:29:41.820

and and talking to some of these guys on

 

0:29:38.460,0:29:46.860

here I've learned so much stuff uh yeah

 

0:29:41.820,0:29:48.840

from John bear Al Morris Abner uh Tori

 

0:29:46.860,0:29:50.039

cook my goodness like you said a wealth

 

0:29:48.840,0:29:52.080

of knowledge and it's such a great

 

0:29:50.039,0:29:53.940

resource you know he's always willing to

 

0:29:52.080,0:29:55.620

help and he there's no secrets with the

 

0:29:53.940,0:29:57.299

guy he'll tell you exactly what the

 

0:29:55.620,0:29:58.440

coyotes are doing at what time and what

 

0:29:57.299,0:30:01.559

you need to be running and get them

 

0:29:58.440,0:30:03.059

called in I mean that's right and that's

 

0:30:01.559,0:30:05.340

what these podcasts are all about you

 

0:30:03.059,0:30:07.260

know we want people to learn uh we want

 

0:30:05.340,0:30:09.600

you to be successful

 

0:30:07.260,0:30:10.740

um so hopefully everybody out there has

 

0:30:09.600,0:30:12.240

been listening

 

0:30:10.740,0:30:13.559

you know it's been taking stuff from

 

0:30:12.240,0:30:15.960

these and we're going to keep them try

 

0:30:13.559,0:30:17.039

to keep them educational or we ain't

 

0:30:15.960,0:30:19.799

going to try to we're going to keep them

 

0:30:17.039,0:30:21.600

educational hopefully uh people continue

 

0:30:19.799,0:30:23.640

to learn from them and it they find

 

0:30:21.600,0:30:25.080

success in the in the field from from

 

0:30:23.640,0:30:28.080

listening to these things

 

0:30:25.080,0:30:31.320

right no I agree with you 100 percent

 

0:30:28.080,0:30:34.140

and I just want to say uh uh to anybody

 

0:30:31.320,0:30:37.200

that's maybe a strictly Night Hunter or

 

0:30:34.140,0:30:39.600

a strictly day hunter or whatever

 

0:30:37.200,0:30:42.899

you know give it a shot if you're a day

 

0:30:39.600,0:30:44.640

Hunter give the night game a shot you

 

0:30:42.899,0:30:47.220

know it's a little bit different and

 

0:30:44.640,0:30:49.500

it's a lot of fun and it's the same with

 

0:30:47.220,0:30:51.840

you know guys that have if they're just

 

0:30:49.500,0:30:53.580

hunting at night yeah I know the grind's

 

0:30:51.840,0:30:55.380

a little bit deeper for day hunting and

 

0:30:53.580,0:30:57.679

you might have to push back a little bit

 

0:30:55.380,0:31:00.179

more but when it all comes together

 

0:30:57.679,0:31:03.059

nothing beats the coyote on the day

 

0:31:00.179,0:31:05.039

scope right right you get that that's

 

0:31:03.059,0:31:06.720

just that's just my personal opinion

 

0:31:05.039,0:31:08.760

well it's it's one of those things

 

0:31:06.720,0:31:11.580

especially you know let's talk with

 

0:31:08.760,0:31:13.140

somebody the other day and uh they were

 

0:31:11.580,0:31:16.140

it was a group of guys they were hunting

 

0:31:13.140,0:31:19.080

it was hunting nighttime stuff and one

 

0:31:16.140,0:31:22.080

of them had never killed a black coyote

 

0:31:19.080,0:31:24.419

which a lot of people haven't uh well it

 

0:31:22.080,0:31:25.500

come the deal that he was running a

 

0:31:24.419,0:31:27.600

thermal

 

0:31:25.500,0:31:30.299

and our luckiest family group of coyotes

 

0:31:27.600,0:31:32.220

come running up and they get to blasting

 

0:31:30.299,0:31:33.720

or whatever and they kill they had a

 

0:31:32.220,0:31:35.279

great stand killed like a triple or

 

0:31:33.720,0:31:37.020

something like that well I think there

 

0:31:35.279,0:31:39.000

was some guys running night vision

 

0:31:37.020,0:31:40.440

evidently with no you know I don't know

 

0:31:39.000,0:31:42.539

anything about night vision ever dealing

 

0:31:40.440,0:31:44.880

with night vision you can kind of see

 

0:31:42.539,0:31:46.620

colors a little bit with them and a guy

 

0:31:44.880,0:31:48.419

like dude he said y'all ain't gonna

 

0:31:46.620,0:31:50.220

believe it but it was like four or five

 

0:31:48.419,0:31:51.899

coyotes running they killed three he's

 

0:31:50.220,0:31:53.580

like dude y'all killed these three

 

0:31:51.899,0:31:55.380

coyotes was awesome but y'all never even

 

0:31:53.580,0:31:58.100

shot at the black one there was a black

 

0:31:55.380,0:31:58.100

one in the Box

 

0:31:58.220,0:32:03.480

hey I ain't Ken John just just about

 

0:32:01.380,0:32:05.520

everyone I dropped with the thermal like

 

0:32:03.480,0:32:07.860

when I'm walking up to it I'm like man

 

0:32:05.520,0:32:11.100

never know what you want to get

 

0:32:07.860,0:32:13.500

please let it be a black coyote but I've

 

0:32:11.100,0:32:15.659

killed a few up in Vermont but I've seen

 

0:32:13.500,0:32:18.539

a couple here in Ohio but I haven't

 

0:32:15.659,0:32:21.539

killed a black coyote in Ohio yet right

 

0:32:18.539,0:32:23.279

right it's uh there's definitely a

 

0:32:21.539,0:32:24.659

special Critter that's for sure and

 

0:32:23.279,0:32:26.159

that's one thing about the daytime huh

 

0:32:24.659,0:32:29.399

you know exactly what's coming there you

 

0:32:26.159,0:32:31.340

know what color they are absolutely well

 

0:32:29.399,0:32:33.240

let me ask you since we're on that topic

 

0:32:31.340,0:32:36.539

if someone

 

0:32:33.240,0:32:39.720

said you had to choose between

 

0:32:36.539,0:32:42.360

daytime and night time you had to choose

 

0:32:39.720,0:32:43.980

one of them you can only hunt one for

 

0:32:42.360,0:32:47.580

the rest of your life

 

0:32:43.980,0:32:50.220

which are you choosing and why

 

0:32:47.580,0:32:52.260

I would choose day hunting hands down

 

0:32:50.220,0:32:55.740

just because

 

0:32:52.260,0:32:59.880

it's just the way I you know the way I

 

0:32:55.740,0:33:01.500

learned it it's it's more affordable

 

0:32:59.880,0:33:03.240

um granted the night hunting fits

 

0:33:01.500,0:33:06.539

everybody's schedule a little bit better

 

0:33:03.240,0:33:08.159

but I don't shy away from the grind and

 

0:33:06.539,0:33:13.620

I know what I got to do to kill daytime

 

0:33:08.159,0:33:16.019

coyotes and um hands down daytime

 

0:33:13.620,0:33:18.659

so do you think it's fair to say you see

 

0:33:16.019,0:33:21.419

this argument every once in a while

 

0:33:18.659,0:33:23.100

um and this is coming asking a guy that

 

0:33:21.419,0:33:24.960

does both and does both quite a bit

 

0:33:23.100,0:33:26.220

because you still daytime hunt you might

 

0:33:24.960,0:33:27.419

be daytime hunting here in the next

 

0:33:26.220,0:33:30.720

couple weeks right I mean you still

 

0:33:27.419,0:33:33.480

daytime hunt today right absolutely it's

 

0:33:30.720,0:33:35.460

yeah do you think it's fair to say

 

0:33:33.480,0:33:37.620

well you just tell me which one's harder

 

0:33:35.460,0:33:39.480

like if you had to go out there and it

 

0:33:37.620,0:33:40.799

your life depended on killing a coyote

 

0:33:39.480,0:33:42.960

and they said you need to go during the

 

0:33:40.799,0:33:44.820

daytime try to kill one if you don't

 

0:33:42.960,0:33:46.919

kill one or cut your throat or whatever

 

0:33:44.820,0:33:48.659

or you can go out at night and kill one

 

0:33:46.919,0:33:50.039

but you've got to kill a coyote to save

 

0:33:48.659,0:33:53.580

your life you're going to choose night

 

0:33:50.039,0:33:54.899

time or daytime definitely night time so

 

0:33:53.580,0:33:57.720

you're saying that night time is

 

0:33:54.899,0:33:59.880

definitely easier than daytime well I

 

0:33:57.720,0:34:01.620

mean whatever's in your advantage is in

 

0:33:59.880,0:34:04.019

the Coyote's disadvantage and when

 

0:34:01.620,0:34:06.360

you're you're playing the night game I

 

0:34:04.019,0:34:08.760

mean the odds are just stacked in your

 

0:34:06.360,0:34:12.480

favor you're dealing they're going to be

 

0:34:08.760,0:34:15.300

more active right at night you know and

 

0:34:12.480,0:34:17.760

the odds of you being able to

 

0:34:15.300,0:34:19.379

get them out in the open field instead

 

0:34:17.760,0:34:22.980

of maybe hanging up out of shooting

 

0:34:19.379,0:34:25.740

range or hanging up where you can't see

 

0:34:22.980,0:34:27.839

um I would definitely go in at night

 

0:34:25.740,0:34:29.339

yeah so you're saying for you for air

 

0:34:27.839,0:34:32.760

cam personally

 

0:34:29.339,0:34:36.119

a daytime coyote is more rewarding

 

0:34:32.760,0:34:37.679

oh 100 absolutely but if you wanted to

 

0:34:36.119,0:34:39.960

go stack numbers

 

0:34:37.679,0:34:43.859

night time is the right time

 

0:34:39.960,0:34:46.260

yeah I mean to be honest John I've never

 

0:34:43.859,0:34:48.540

looked at as trying to kill as many

 

0:34:46.260,0:34:51.419

coyotes as I can right you know right

 

0:34:48.540,0:34:53.339

I've just never I'm not a fan of Russian

 

0:34:51.419,0:34:54.659

people and I'm not a fan of being rushed

 

0:34:53.339,0:34:57.240

exactly

 

0:34:54.659,0:34:59.280

um but

 

0:34:57.240,0:35:01.200

they're they're just more productive at

 

0:34:59.280,0:35:03.420

night you know like if somebody called

 

0:35:01.200,0:35:05.040

and said hey I got coyotes like I I

 

0:35:03.420,0:35:06.900

would try to get over there in the

 

0:35:05.040,0:35:09.240

daytime so I could take a look at it

 

0:35:06.900,0:35:10.859

before it gets dark yep

 

0:35:09.240,0:35:12.599

um but if you're trying to get one

 

0:35:10.859,0:35:14.339

killed and somebody you got to get them

 

0:35:12.599,0:35:16.619

killed I would go in there at night for

 

0:35:14.339,0:35:19.859

sure night time yeah okay that's good

 

0:35:16.619,0:35:22.980

stuff yeah great stuff yeah

 

0:35:19.859,0:35:24.780

um and another thing a few things like I

 

0:35:22.980,0:35:28.260

had wrote down some like pros and cons

 

0:35:24.780,0:35:30.720

of sure you know like well you know

 

0:35:28.260,0:35:34.859

being Pros for you know night hunting

 

0:35:30.720,0:35:36.480

like just comparing the two like you can

 

0:35:34.859,0:35:39.480

stand in the middle of the field and you

 

0:35:36.480,0:35:41.760

can kind of make the setup you want for

 

0:35:39.480,0:35:44.280

there's data for night time right yeah

 

0:35:41.760,0:35:46.740

where daytime you're limited

 

0:35:44.280,0:35:48.240

um nighttime you don't from my

 

0:35:46.740,0:35:50.760

experiences you don't really have to

 

0:35:48.240,0:35:53.040

park your truck as far away right well

 

0:35:50.760,0:35:54.119

you know like down in Texas and some of

 

0:35:53.040,0:35:55.859

those States like that they actually

 

0:35:54.119,0:35:57.420

hunt from hyrax they pull their trucker

 

0:35:55.859,0:36:00.180

out there and climb up on top and go to

 

0:35:57.420,0:36:03.359

college I know isn't that wild have you

 

0:36:00.180,0:36:05.700

ever tried that no but I want to me too

 

0:36:03.359,0:36:07.160

I think it's one of these guys to invite

 

0:36:05.700,0:36:09.720

us down there and go hunting with them

 

0:36:07.160,0:36:11.880

right me and Eric's wanting a night rack

 

0:36:09.720,0:36:15.720

rack on off you at night come on guys

 

0:36:11.880,0:36:18.480

holler at us let's go

 

0:36:15.720,0:36:20.700

um but yeah no just there's a lot of

 

0:36:18.480,0:36:21.359

things like you don't really need you

 

0:36:20.700,0:36:24.540

know

 

0:36:21.359,0:36:26.880

camel I wouldn't say camouflage at like

 

0:36:24.540,0:36:28.619

daytime you can go out without any

 

0:36:26.880,0:36:30.300

camouflage on but a lot of guys wear

 

0:36:28.619,0:36:31.200

camo but nighttime you can pretty much

 

0:36:30.300,0:36:33.180

wear

 

0:36:31.200,0:36:37.020

you know whatever you want right right

 

0:36:33.180,0:36:40.680

type of deal and you know the the cover

 

0:36:37.020,0:36:44.000

of Darkness yep

 

0:36:40.680,0:36:44.000

oh yeah absolutely

 

0:36:44.180,0:36:52.020

any other pros and cons for night versus

 

0:36:47.880,0:36:54.300

well pretty much just like

 

0:36:52.020,0:36:56.099

if you can do both I think it matters

 

0:36:54.300,0:36:58.020

your odds are just killing coyotes on a

 

0:36:56.099,0:37:00.119

property because like I said there's

 

0:36:58.020,0:37:01.740

some big fields in the way back that you

 

0:37:00.119,0:37:03.480

probably wouldn't walk to at night and

 

0:37:01.740,0:37:05.880

then there's the fields by the road that

 

0:37:03.480,0:37:07.800

would be better nightstands than day

 

0:37:05.880,0:37:09.240

stands and

 

0:37:07.800,0:37:11.820

um you know there's there's probably

 

0:37:09.240,0:37:14.160

there's some of these properties uh that

 

0:37:11.820,0:37:16.500

especially smaller tracks you know you

 

0:37:14.160,0:37:20.220

might have coyotes at uh visit those

 

0:37:16.500,0:37:21.720

places at night time to hunt right that

 

0:37:20.220,0:37:22.920

are never there during the daytime so

 

0:37:21.720,0:37:25.260

you have to hunt them at night to kill

 

0:37:22.920,0:37:27.060

those coyotes it didn't vice versa you

 

0:37:25.260,0:37:30.440

know you might have places that coyotes

 

0:37:27.060,0:37:32.579

really never spend much time in at night

 

0:37:30.440,0:37:34.680

to hunt because they ventured out

 

0:37:32.579,0:37:36.359

somewhere but they're perfect places to

 

0:37:34.680,0:37:37.680

to catch coyotes that are that are

 

0:37:36.359,0:37:40.800

dinning up through the summer months

 

0:37:37.680,0:37:42.359

raising pups or or right bedding up for

 

0:37:40.800,0:37:45.300

the day you know that you can crack in

 

0:37:42.359,0:37:47.700

there and get them killed right any

 

0:37:45.300,0:37:50.280

other in the nighttime thing you know

 

0:37:47.700,0:37:52.380

they you know daytime is definitely more

 

0:37:50.280,0:37:53.460

affordable for people like nighttime and

 

0:37:52.380,0:37:56.400

when you're talking

 

0:37:53.460,0:37:59.160

you know thermals and tripods to hold

 

0:37:56.400,0:38:01.560

your gun and it can get pretty pricey

 

0:37:59.160,0:38:03.500

but people's Day Day stuff can get

 

0:38:01.560,0:38:06.920

pricey too but I'm just saying for them

 

0:38:03.500,0:38:09.839

personally you know

 

0:38:06.920,0:38:12.300

you know but you know like

 

0:38:09.839,0:38:15.359

daytime definitely like more affordable

 

0:38:12.300,0:38:17.640

for anybody to obviously huh yeah for

 

0:38:15.359,0:38:19.740

the average Joe yeah for sure

 

0:38:17.640,0:38:22.680

um tell us about what are you shooting

 

0:38:19.740,0:38:24.839

two different uh rigs for night versus

 

0:38:22.680,0:38:27.240

day you shoot you like certain calibers

 

0:38:24.839,0:38:30.780

better for one versus the other one

 

0:38:27.240,0:38:33.300

I mean I I've been shooting a 223 for

 

0:38:30.780,0:38:35.640

you know close to 15 years and I know

 

0:38:33.300,0:38:38.339

there's a lot of guys that don't like

 

0:38:35.640,0:38:40.500

two two threes and I'm just a creature

 

0:38:38.339,0:38:43.380

habit not to mention I'm Frugal and kind

 

0:38:40.500,0:38:45.420

of cheap don't own many guns the ones I

 

0:38:43.380,0:38:48.660

have are like everyday drivers pretty

 

0:38:45.420,0:38:51.540

much but I've got a two two three that I

 

0:38:48.660,0:38:54.599

run at night just because running

 

0:38:51.540,0:38:56.880

I ran my 22 250 at night and I just

 

0:38:54.599,0:38:58.980

didn't like having to run the bolt so

 

0:38:56.880,0:39:01.220

you're saying you'd much rather run an

 

0:38:58.980,0:39:04.380

AR style rifle at night

 

0:39:01.220,0:39:06.859

absolutely but if but if I was to go out

 

0:39:04.380,0:39:10.260

in the daytime I'd like my bolt action

 

0:39:06.859,0:39:11.520

22-250. so I'm assuming like you know a

 

0:39:10.260,0:39:13.440

group of coyotes especially you know

 

0:39:11.520,0:39:14.760

calling in a single I'm sure it's no big

 

0:39:13.440,0:39:16.260

deal but like if you call in a family

 

0:39:14.760,0:39:18.540

group of coyotes for a double or

 

0:39:16.260,0:39:21.000

whatever any kind of multiples it's

 

0:39:18.540,0:39:22.740

right it's a big deal for you to have to

 

0:39:21.000,0:39:24.240

come off that thermal and cycle your

 

0:39:22.740,0:39:26.820

boat and then come back in here and try

 

0:39:24.240,0:39:28.200

to find an animal right absolutely and

 

0:39:26.820,0:39:30.780

I've noticed from hunting at night

 

0:39:28.200,0:39:32.400

compared to daytime it seems like you

 

0:39:30.780,0:39:35.640

call in more

 

0:39:32.400,0:39:37.980

uh more like groups of coyotes or

 

0:39:35.640,0:39:40.200

multiple coyotes at nighttime and then

 

0:39:37.980,0:39:42.480

not that I did personally in the daytime

 

0:39:40.200,0:39:44.820

I've called in you know triples and

 

0:39:42.480,0:39:47.220

quads in the daytime but I've called in

 

0:39:44.820,0:39:50.400

a lot more of those at night yeah and

 

0:39:47.220,0:39:51.839

running it AR style rig keeps you keeps

 

0:39:50.400,0:39:53.160

you on the gun you don't want to come up

 

0:39:51.839,0:39:55.560

it's a little

 

0:39:53.160,0:39:57.300

I feel like the AR is a little bit more

 

0:39:55.560,0:39:59.160

efficient right

 

0:39:57.300,0:40:01.920

and that's what I'm about being

 

0:39:59.160,0:40:03.060

efficient right because I hate seeing

 

0:40:01.920,0:40:06.660

them run away

 

0:40:03.060,0:40:07.980

you wanted to smoke if multiple runny

 

0:40:06.660,0:40:09.300

and When the Smoke Clears you want

 

0:40:07.980,0:40:11.579

multiples laying on the grounds why

 

0:40:09.300,0:40:13.920

don't you tell them that's right that's

 

0:40:11.579,0:40:16.560

right I like it I like it

 

0:40:13.920,0:40:18.300

excuse the what a what uh what Foxpro

 

0:40:16.560,0:40:21.660

unit are you running right now

 

0:40:18.300,0:40:22.859

well I love the x24

 

0:40:21.660,0:40:26.460

um I

 

0:40:22.859,0:40:29.579

I love the x2s I'm I love fusing sounds

 

0:40:26.460,0:40:32.820

together right but

 

0:40:29.579,0:40:34.980

um my go-to call is the x24

 

0:40:32.820,0:40:37.320

um it's got that little bit extra volume

 

0:40:34.980,0:40:39.119

really depends on like honestly what

 

0:40:37.320,0:40:40.920

stands I'm gonna call like if I was

 

0:40:39.119,0:40:43.619

going to call some you know tighter

 

0:40:40.920,0:40:45.660

stands with the covers real thick or I'd

 

0:40:43.619,0:40:47.579

probably go the x2s if I'm gonna call

 

0:40:45.660,0:40:49.619

some like big strip on ground where it's

 

0:40:47.579,0:40:52.859

big country or something I'll probably

 

0:40:49.619,0:40:53.400

go with the x24 right good

 

0:40:52.859,0:40:55.859

um

 

0:40:53.400,0:40:57.420

so the x24 is definitely your favorite

 

0:40:55.859,0:40:58.440

unit right now so if I told you you can

 

0:40:57.420,0:41:02.280

only pick one of them you're going to

 

0:40:58.440,0:41:04.200

take the x24 in a heartbeat

 

0:41:02.280,0:41:06.599

well I asked I got a couple questions

 

0:41:04.200,0:41:09.540

for you I asked most of our guests on

 

0:41:06.599,0:41:12.300

here uh you're new to the podcast so I'm

 

0:41:09.540,0:41:15.300

definitely going to ask you what's your

 

0:41:12.300,0:41:17.940

top three favorite sounds when I say top

 

0:41:15.300,0:41:20.040

three favorite sounds when Mike

 

0:41:17.940,0:41:22.980

says hey I'm taking your calls away from

 

0:41:20.040,0:41:24.960

you here's your brand new x24 it's only

 

0:41:22.980,0:41:27.720

got three sounds on it that you can pick

 

0:41:24.960,0:41:31.140

what three sounds you're gonna put on it

 

0:41:27.720,0:41:34.079

that's pretty easy pup three pound town

 

0:41:31.140,0:41:36.300

and Mr McConnell awesome so you gotta

 

0:41:34.079,0:41:38.880

you got a good rabbit a good pup

 

0:41:36.300,0:41:42.480

distress and an awesome fight

 

0:41:38.880,0:41:44.880

yeah I mean if I had to pick three that

 

0:41:42.480,0:41:47.400

would be them I I like it I think it's

 

0:41:44.880,0:41:49.740

that pretty close to what mine will be

 

0:41:47.400,0:41:52.800

if not spot on so

 

0:41:49.740,0:41:54.420

what's your uh number one sound same

 

0:41:52.800,0:41:55.920

type of deal but Mike said you can only

 

0:41:54.420,0:41:57.300

have one cent On Your Collar I'm

 

0:41:55.920,0:41:59.400

challenging for the year I want you to

 

0:41:57.300,0:42:01.079

run one sound Sammy coyote you can kill

 

0:41:59.400,0:42:03.000

what sound you picking

 

0:42:01.079,0:42:05.760

do I get to have hand calls or anything

 

0:42:03.000,0:42:07.859

no one sound just get the camera one

 

0:42:05.760,0:42:12.000

sound on you on your e-call

 

0:42:07.859,0:42:14.280

uh well I mean me personally I'm I I'm

 

0:42:12.000,0:42:18.000

always tiger than coyotes I'm not out

 

0:42:14.280,0:42:20.099

there targeting Bobcats or fox or you

 

0:42:18.000,0:42:22.800

know what I mean so pretty much I guess

 

0:42:20.099,0:42:25.619

it would depend on what you're targeting

 

0:42:22.800,0:42:28.800

um I would definitely go with pup three

 

0:42:25.619,0:42:31.440

what if I said I'll give you a hand call

 

0:42:28.800,0:42:33.119

I'll take an open rate I can make a

 

0:42:31.440,0:42:34.800

bunch of sounds of that right well does

 

0:42:33.119,0:42:37.640

that change your pick for your no for

 

0:42:34.800,0:42:41.400

your sound you gonna put on your e-call

 

0:42:37.640,0:42:43.619

uh well then I'd I might put pound town

 

0:42:41.400,0:42:45.960

on there okay because with that open

 

0:42:43.619,0:42:47.760

rate I could do some coyote house I

 

0:42:45.960,0:42:49.740

could do some rabbit squilling if I

 

0:42:47.760,0:42:52.079

needed to some pop distresses so you can

 

0:42:49.740,0:42:53.660

get some top distressing or do that

 

0:42:52.079,0:42:57.000

fight though in it

 

0:42:53.660,0:42:59.880

yeah no no doubt my first few years

 

0:42:57.000,0:43:03.060

calling coyotes that's all I used was

 

0:42:59.880,0:43:04.980

just hand calls for just about just

 

0:43:03.060,0:43:07.079

about three years

 

0:43:04.980,0:43:09.300

and uh

 

0:43:07.079,0:43:11.640

man I remember I was going home calling

 

0:43:09.300,0:43:14.540

45 minute stands blowing on them calls

 

0:43:11.640,0:43:17.880

I'm just going home on absolute headache

 

0:43:14.540,0:43:19.440

they if I try to run a uh just a

 

0:43:17.880,0:43:21.660

strictly hand call stand right now

 

0:43:19.440,0:43:25.940

somebody has packed me back to the truck

 

0:43:21.660,0:43:25.940

I ain't got the wrongs for it no more

 

0:43:26.359,0:43:31.380

so you're telling us if you're like if

 

0:43:29.099,0:43:33.660

you can take you a hand call with you an

 

0:43:31.380,0:43:37.380

open-rated hand call you're going to be

 

0:43:33.660,0:43:38.880

picking pound mfk's pound town yeah if

 

0:43:37.380,0:43:40.500

you don't have hand calls you can only

 

0:43:38.880,0:43:41.579

pick one sound it's gonna be pup stress

 

0:43:40.500,0:43:44.880

number three

 

0:43:41.579,0:43:46.680

that's it awesome that's used to well

 

0:43:44.880,0:43:48.060

we're starting to get here towards the

 

0:43:46.680,0:43:49.740

end or wrap this thing up you got

 

0:43:48.060,0:43:52.560

anything else you'd like to add Eric

 

0:43:49.740,0:43:54.240

before we jump off here no I just I

 

0:43:52.560,0:43:55.680

appreciate you guys having me on here

 

0:43:54.240,0:43:57.960

and

 

0:43:55.680,0:44:00.119

uh Hey like I said everything you know

 

0:43:57.960,0:44:02.040

that I said is pretty much just the

 

0:44:00.119,0:44:04.560

differences that I've personally noticed

 

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right between day and night some other

 

0:44:04.560,0:44:07.619

people might have different opinions out

 

0:44:06.300,0:44:11.280

there right

 

0:44:07.619,0:44:13.740

um but I love it all give the night game

 

0:44:11.280,0:44:15.660

a shot if you're a day Hunter and if

 

0:44:13.740,0:44:18.480

you're you know

 

0:44:15.660,0:44:21.300

a night guy give the day thing a try I

 

0:44:18.480,0:44:23.400

mean it's great well it's good stuff

 

0:44:21.300,0:44:24.480

Eric I'm glad you jumped on here and

 

0:44:23.400,0:44:27.900

just like we was talking about other

 

0:44:24.480,0:44:31.140

guys uh that's listing in Eric does both

 

0:44:27.900,0:44:33.060

he's a daytime and nighttime Hunter and

 

0:44:31.140,0:44:35.520

appreciate you sharing your experiences

 

0:44:33.060,0:44:37.319

with us Eric and uh we'll definitely

 

0:44:35.520,0:44:38.880

have you on here again sometime if you'd

 

0:44:37.319,0:44:41.400

be willing to jump on

 

0:44:38.880,0:44:43.260

absolutely John anytime you just holler

 

0:44:41.400,0:44:45.359

at me we'll do that we hope everyone

 

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enjoyed this episode we hope you join us

 

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again right here on the Foxpro podcast