Jon Collins and Corey Groff discuss Wildcat rifle calibers.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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hello everyone this is John Collins
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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast on
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this episode we're going to talk about
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Wildcat rifle calibers for coyote
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hunting Our Guest is Fox Pro staffer
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Corey Groff who has experience with
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caliber such as the 22 Creedmoor 22 243
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22 parvo and other calibers along that
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line that's going to be a pretty cool
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pretty cool episode what's going on core
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you doing all right buddy oh I'm doing
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pretty good John that's uh a little warm
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here in the show me state but you know I
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guess we have to deal with that
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sometimes this time of year but uh how
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you doing all right doing pretty good
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they're seeing the same thing here it's
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about 60 60 62 degrees here and the
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wind's blowing like 15 miles an hour but
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I did have a farmer contact me like
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around 2 30 in the afternoon you know
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pretty much midday or early afternoon
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said hey I got two Coyotes out in the
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past if you need to come kill these
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things so I'd say after we get done with
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this I might try to make a last Light
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coyote stand see if uh see if we can't
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make something happen but uh it uh hey
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we we got we had an opportunity to share
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uh share some coyote stands a few weeks
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ago didn't we yes sir we did it was a
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lot of fun too they had had a pretty
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good time and you know the the funny
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thing is
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we're we're going to be talking about
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Wildcat rifle calibers for coyote
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hunting but on this hunt I went out to
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Missouri and and made a few stands with
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Corey and I was shooting a 22-250 and
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Corey was shooting a six Creed
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so we was pretty much as Factory as it
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gets but you know we didn't kill as many
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coyotes as we was hoping but we did put
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three coyotes on film and a 22 250 and
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six creature made uh light work of them
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things they didn't ever take a step did
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they no sir they didn't it was it was
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pretty one fan is uh pretty pretty nice
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day and I can't wait for folks to see it
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it's pretty nice yeah we the double we
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killed a single and a double and uh man
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that that doubles pretty Dynamic I mean
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he was he was running the x24 and X
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decoy and both coyotes are killed with
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10 feet of the column decoy it was we
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actually had one the first lead coyote
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actually come up and kind of did a
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horseshoe almost circled around it it
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was at just like two steps like biting
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that stuff it's pretty cool
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yeah it's pretty neat I I've never seen
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a Kyle kind of respond to the decoy that
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way so yeah we let it get plenty of
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clothes we were sure milking it that's
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for sure oh yeah
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you know we just mentioned the 22 250
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and six Creed I feel like that's
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something we probably need to mention or
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I feel like I do before we get started
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you know I I personally believe the 22
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250 and the 243 will always be in the
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top five or so calibers for coyote
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hunting ever you know no matter what
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comes out in the future those two
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calibers are just pretty much at Stout
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and pretty much everything that comes
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out you know I'm always thinking to
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myself Corey why would I take that over
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the 22-250 or the 243 just seems like
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those two always come into comparison
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with with everything all the new stuff
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that you see come and go and some of the
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stuff's sticking around
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oh yeah and you know those two
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cartridges you mentioned the 2250 22 250
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and the 243 they're Staples they're
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always going to be in that top five of
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you know coyote hunting rounds or
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varmint rounds for us and uh I can't
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ever see that really changing but
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you know with a lot of the new modern
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rounds and stuff well they're just
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they're just fun to play with oh yeah
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for sure for sure and I guess another
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thing we probably need to throw out
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there you know before we get started
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I've got to throw a disclaimer out there
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Corey and I are not what we would we
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don't call ourselves ballistic experts
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or anything like that not any experts on
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these calibers whatsoever we're just
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going to tell you guys you know we're
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just simple coyote Hunters we'll touch
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on a handful of calibers in our
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experience with those calibers in the
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field you know real world stuff coyote
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calling okay let you know what we think
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how they perform on on Critters and so
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on and what we've done we've picked out
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five Wildcat calibers to discuss of
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course there's many more out there
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and this is part of the disclaimer uh if
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we don't mention a one that you're
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shooting and you really love or we say
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something bad about one you love uh
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don't hold it against us I actually
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consider myself a lover of all uh rifle
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calibers I'm a gun nut I love them so
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there's there's definitely ones I like a
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lot better than others but you'll never
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hardly hear me bad mouth on too many of
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them don't don't there's a lot of fun
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stuff out there and and uh so I'm ready
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to get to it John well first first up is
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a cartridge that Corey and I both have
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put through the paces
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and that is the 22 Creedmoor and and
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Corey you know I guess the start of this
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is the 6.5 Creedmoor you know when it
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first come onto the scene you know I
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thought you know hey that's a pretty
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cool round I never was really pulled to
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it or anything but I could see uh where
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it where it falls into place you know a
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good uh mid-sized game cartridge that
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car that crosses over well into the
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coyote world you see a lot of guys using
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it for coyotes so but I've never was
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really attracted to it but uh I really
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got intrigued when the six Creed hit the
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market but at the same time it's like
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was talking about comparing stuff now
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I've you know I've used the six Creed
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quite a bit
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um
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killed a few coyotes with it I really
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like it nice accurate caliber and stuff
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but I always compared it to the 243 and
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they are very comparable heck they're
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they're like almost like identical twins
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I mean there's not much difference to
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them but of course shortly after they
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started necking that six Creed on down
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to 22 well that really got my attention
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right there that's when it got really
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intriguing
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well it grants everybody's attention
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when that when that first started coming
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around you you know you heard 22 Creed a
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lot and uh I think it was just the the
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perfect cartridge to make a wildcat
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round out of yeah I agree with you and
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you know I I like it so much I've
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actually got uh I've got two of them
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I've got I've got one in a in a one and
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seven twist and got another one in a one
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and eight and uh and I guess one thing
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that another thing to throw out there
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guys we talk about these these calibers
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if you ever you have to think you know
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hey like to try something just just know
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right off the bat these are you want to
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be reloading these are stuff you've
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pretty much got to reload for so I want
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to throw that out there but
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um with these two uh 22 Creeds that I'm
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shooting
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I'm shooting
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um 75 and 80 grain
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elds and I'm shooting them at like uh I
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think the 80 I'm shooting somewhere
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around 33.50 something like that and I
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and the 75 is right at 3 400 plus feet
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per second that's that's smoking for
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that size bullet yeah that's running
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pretty hot it is for sure and I've
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killed I don't know
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a couple hundred
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coyotes with them maybe more maybe 300
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coyotes and probably a dozen cats or so
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and I've actually uh took a couple big
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game animals with them it's a pretty
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pretty versatile cartridge you know you
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hear about people talking about it's a
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it's a barrel burner and I'm sure it is
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you know I've probably got over 500
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rounds out of my one and seven and uh I
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haven't seen any difference in uh
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accuracy yet so I know it's still
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holding strong up you know it's still
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the the future will will tell how many
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rounds I'm actually able to get out of
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it right so what what do you think about
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the the 22 Creed I know you've you've
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got one don't you Corey and you've run
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it you've run it quite a bit haven't you
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yeah I've probably shot I haven't shot
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many as many clouds as you have
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um you know with mine I've probably shot
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around probably 70 coyotes with mine
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um I'm also running a one and eight
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twist out of mine it's a it's a shorter
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rifle I want it to be a little bit uh
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lighter you know packing and hunting so
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mine's a 20 inch barrel
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um I'm also running I've tried some
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different loads in it or some different
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projectiles I've tried some 75 grain uh
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vlds and I've tried some
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uh 75 grain the elds uh the Hornet elds
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and I really I gravitate to the to the
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Hornady rounds and it it does a fine job
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uh you know velocities up there about
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like where you're at I think I'm a
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little bit slower on that 20 inch barrel
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I'm I think right around 3 400 yeah and
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uh you know it's just a it's just a
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laser beam you know it it's uh there's
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not a lot of guesswork too if you got a
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coyote up there about 350 yards you know
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that's that's probably the thing that
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pulls me to that uh that cartridge the
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most is the way I've got my rifle
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sighted in you know we're coyote collars
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we want to call this stuff in close but
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if you you get something like you call a
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triple n or a quad five pack or whatever
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and you knock a couple coyotes down
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there around 100 yards or less well
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you're probably going to have to pick up
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that third or fourth coyote at extended
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ranges
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and usually when things are happening
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quick you really ain't got a whole lot
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of time to to you know get a range right
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down to the to the yard and that's one
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of the cool things where I have mine
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sighted in I can pretty much hold right
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on the hair of a coyote from Point Blank
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Range you know all the way out to
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gaining on 400 yards and that really
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that can really help you at the end of
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the year pick up a few extra coyotes
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oh yeah yeah it's and like like you said
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long as you're on here at 400 yards
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that's man it's Lights Out it's and they
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hit so hard I like to hear that walk you
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know yep yep and the other cool thing
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like I said I've I've killed some bigger
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stuff with it you know the places that
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uh uh 22 cows are are legal for for deer
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and bear and all that type of stuff man
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they'll do it I I've used 80 grain elds
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for that and had no trouble whatsoever
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and the crazy thing is is I can take
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that same load and I like I said I've
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you know killed probably close to a
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dozen I ain't counted up you know
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um 8 10 12 Bobcats with it with the same
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exact load and I ain't never tore one up
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with the with the 22 Creed now I'm not
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saying next time I was ever taken out I
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wouldn't blow one of The Smithereens but
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the same load I chew to deer with I can
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shoot a bobcat with it and not tear it
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up I know it's I know it sounds Wild but
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you know if you're squaring them up
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hitting on the shoulders or chest it
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don't do much damage to them at all no
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I've shot several Bobcats with mine as
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well and it's it's it's actually
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surprising that that it doesn't tear
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them up uh I haven't shot as many big
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game uh as you had I've got some buddies
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that use them for uh you know antelope
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hunting they really like them in that
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Open Country uh for antelope hunting
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because they're a good flight trajectory
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around
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um I've shot one deer with mine and it I
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can tell you it just it flat dressed
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dropped it in its tracks it's hard hard
0:11:44.040,0:11:49.200
to beat that only thing
0:11:45.980,0:11:51.959
it's it's a A plus round for me one
0:11:49.200,0:11:55.620
thing I do see people doing it I'll see
0:11:51.959,0:11:57.360
on forums and uh Facebook groups talking
0:11:55.620,0:11:58.800
about the 22 Creed they'll be talking
0:11:57.360,0:12:00.360
about load stuff and we're not going to
0:11:58.800,0:12:01.680
get in the load stuff here because you
0:12:00.360,0:12:03.839
know you just need to develop that on
0:12:01.680,0:12:06.660
your own stay safe and everything but uh
0:12:03.839,0:12:09.600
you'll see this one thing I do not
0:12:06.660,0:12:12.600
understand you'll see some people
0:12:09.600,0:12:13.620
are paying they'll build a 22 Creed you
0:12:12.600,0:12:16.200
know
0:12:13.620,0:12:17.700
spend a lot of money on a nice rig and
0:12:16.200,0:12:20.459
they'll shoot that thing with slower
0:12:17.700,0:12:22.440
speeds and you know
0:12:20.459,0:12:25.260
that's something like in the low threes
0:12:22.440,0:12:27.660
low take say like a 75 grain bullet and
0:12:25.260,0:12:29.880
shooting like 3 100 feet per second
0:12:27.660,0:12:31.079
and there's nothing wrong with I ain't
0:12:29.880,0:12:34.019
saying there's anything wrong with it
0:12:31.079,0:12:36.480
but I personally don't get it because
0:12:34.019,0:12:39.000
you can make a 22 250 do the same thing
0:12:36.480,0:12:41.519
you know you know just like going back
0:12:39.000,0:12:44.279
and comparing to those that 22 250 and
0:12:41.519,0:12:47.820
243 I've actually got I've had a couple
0:12:44.279,0:12:49.500
custom uh 250s built off one and eights
0:12:47.820,0:12:52.620
and one of nine twist barrels and stuff
0:12:49.500,0:12:56.339
well I can make my one and eight 22 250
0:12:52.620,0:12:58.560
shoot a shoot up 75 grain ELD at 3 200
0:12:56.339,0:13:02.540
feet per second so I'm not going to make
0:12:58.560,0:13:05.220
my 22 Creed shoot 31. if you don't know
0:13:02.540,0:13:07.200
no it's it's if it's got the capability
0:13:05.220,0:13:09.180
you might as well might as well get it
0:13:07.200,0:13:10.440
up there and run it I I totally agree
0:13:09.180,0:13:12.480
with that
0:13:10.440,0:13:14.880
um and I'm sure guys are probably trying
0:13:12.480,0:13:17.279
to just be safe on you know we've talked
0:13:14.880,0:13:18.959
about you know Barrel burners but at the
0:13:17.279,0:13:21.480
end of the day you know if you're
0:13:18.959,0:13:23.700
building that gun to perform
0:13:21.480,0:13:27.060
get your own up there see what that
0:13:23.700,0:13:28.500
thing will do in in the you know stretch
0:13:27.060,0:13:30.180
his legs out because that's that's
0:13:28.500,0:13:32.399
really ultimately what you spent your
0:13:30.180,0:13:34.500
money on that's right why why I have a
0:13:32.399,0:13:36.360
wildcat round if you're not going to
0:13:34.500,0:13:39.779
stretch it to his limit right
0:13:36.360,0:13:41.180
exactly yeah and you know what and you
0:13:39.779,0:13:43.500
can get a pretty good range of
0:13:41.180,0:13:44.579
projectiles out of these 22 Creeds you
0:13:43.500,0:13:47.700
know I've heard of people shooting all
0:13:44.579,0:13:49.920
the way down to like 53 and 55s and all
0:13:47.700,0:13:52.079
the way up to the 88 90s I think they
0:13:49.920,0:13:54.899
even I think there's even a maybe a 95
0:13:52.079,0:13:57.720
grain 22 calibers or maybe be heavier I
0:13:54.899,0:13:59.459
don't know but uh the thing is before we
0:13:57.720,0:14:01.139
get on into these other calibers also
0:13:59.459,0:14:05.519
things worth mentioning
0:14:01.139,0:14:07.440
Corey is one Wildcat variations are
0:14:05.519,0:14:10.380
introduced it seems like they always
0:14:07.440,0:14:12.959
start out with extremely heavy for
0:14:10.380,0:14:15.000
caliber bullets and I think usually why
0:14:12.959,0:14:17.579
you see this is because guys that first
0:14:15.000,0:14:21.300
start running these guns want to shoot
0:14:17.579,0:14:23.639
extreme long ranges you know so yes yes
0:14:21.300,0:14:26.459
you know that doesn't always translate
0:14:23.639,0:14:28.620
out to the best coyote hunting loads it
0:14:26.459,0:14:31.139
seems like the sweet spot for coyote
0:14:28.620,0:14:33.540
hunting in my experience is usually
0:14:31.139,0:14:36.660
somewhere in between those extremely
0:14:33.540,0:14:39.899
heavy for caliber bullets and the
0:14:36.660,0:14:41.579
bullets we see from Factory ammunition
0:14:39.899,0:14:44.100
offerings would you kind of agree with
0:14:41.579,0:14:46.920
that or have you seen the same thing
0:14:44.100,0:14:48.180
uh yes I am I totally agree with that
0:14:46.920,0:14:50.880
because
0:14:48.180,0:14:52.620
um I mean these guys that want to you
0:14:50.880,0:14:55.500
know shoot long range that's fine but
0:14:52.620,0:14:57.600
you know ultimately at that two and
0:14:55.500,0:14:59.399
three hundred yard range you're not
0:14:57.600,0:15:01.440
going to be as accurate probably with
0:14:59.399,0:15:03.720
those heavier projectiles and I think
0:15:01.440,0:15:07.139
that's why a lot of guys gravitate back
0:15:03.720,0:15:09.360
you know to that mid-range 70 grains 75
0:15:07.139,0:15:11.459
grain yeah and even on down to your like
0:15:09.360,0:15:13.740
your factory stuff yeah they're just
0:15:11.459,0:15:16.860
more they're just more accurate in that
0:15:13.740,0:15:18.540
velocity range yep yep I I totally agree
0:15:16.860,0:15:21.360
and that's another thing you'll see on
0:15:18.540,0:15:23.279
these forums and uh Facebook group pages
0:15:21.360,0:15:25.440
and stuff is you'll see a coyote Hunter
0:15:23.279,0:15:28.560
that's took advice from somebody
0:15:25.440,0:15:30.420
shooting like a 90 grain bullet out of
0:15:28.560,0:15:32.459
their 22 Creed well they got coyotes
0:15:30.420,0:15:35.220
running off and they can't figure it out
0:15:32.459,0:15:36.300
and right and just you know just kind of
0:15:35.220,0:15:38.459
let you know you know the lighter
0:15:36.300,0:15:40.199
bullets in the 22s and the six
0:15:38.459,0:15:41.940
millimeters when you get to running them
0:15:40.199,0:15:44.519
faster you know you kind of open
0:15:41.940,0:15:47.399
yourself up to Bullet Splash which yes
0:15:44.519,0:15:49.560
can translate into Runners well when you
0:15:47.399,0:15:51.300
talk about the heavy bullet in these
0:15:49.560,0:15:54.000
calibers like the 90 grainers for the
0:15:51.300,0:15:55.740
22s and the 100 plus grainers for your
0:15:54.000,0:15:58.800
six millimeters then you get into
0:15:55.740,0:16:00.720
pinholding coyotes that in return gives
0:15:58.800,0:16:02.760
you Runners so you have to find that
0:16:00.720,0:16:04.380
that happy medium you know when it comes
0:16:02.760,0:16:06.839
to bullet weights and you know I'm
0:16:04.380,0:16:08.459
overthinking you know
0:16:06.839,0:16:10.380
you know for these guys that like to
0:16:08.459,0:16:11.639
shoot that type stuff those heavy stuff
0:16:10.380,0:16:13.260
and everything like there's nothing
0:16:11.639,0:16:15.480
wrong with it I'm you know if it works
0:16:13.260,0:16:17.459
for you it works for you but I'm right
0:16:15.480,0:16:21.120
that I'm of the thinking you know
0:16:17.459,0:16:23.339
punching paper and ringing steel is cool
0:16:21.120,0:16:25.560
it's it's awesome but I'm more
0:16:23.339,0:16:27.300
interested in punching fur if you know
0:16:25.560,0:16:30.060
what I mean if you didn't drop them in
0:16:27.300,0:16:32.760
their tracks bet on impact that's what
0:16:30.060,0:16:34.920
I'm looking for exactly exactly exactly
0:16:32.760,0:16:38.279
so it seem like we're Greek we agree on
0:16:34.920,0:16:40.199
that yes sir well I think we've probably
0:16:38.279,0:16:42.540
is there anything else you'd like to say
0:16:40.199,0:16:45.959
about the 22 Creed Corey
0:16:42.540,0:16:47.759
oh man I think we said I think we said
0:16:45.959,0:16:49.139
about all but you know I mean I'm sure
0:16:47.759,0:16:51.060
we could probably talk about it all day
0:16:49.139,0:16:54.120
it's a great it's a great cartridge and
0:16:51.060,0:16:56.279
uh that uh I think we covered it John
0:16:54.120,0:16:58.139
all right well let's move on to our
0:16:56.279,0:17:00.300
second one and this second one I've just
0:16:58.139,0:17:04.020
I've only read about
0:17:00.300,0:17:07.679
um I don't I know next to nothing uh but
0:17:04.020,0:17:10.079
that's the 22 243 and Corey I know
0:17:07.679,0:17:11.339
you've owned one at one time and you use
0:17:10.079,0:17:13.799
it for coyote hunting a little bit you
0:17:11.339,0:17:15.419
want to tell us about the 22 243 it
0:17:13.799,0:17:18.660
sounds awesome
0:17:15.419,0:17:21.120
it's a it's a pretty cool cartridge uh
0:17:18.660,0:17:24.120
you know well you know I know you like
0:17:21.120,0:17:26.819
the sound of a 243 you know that's right
0:17:24.120,0:17:30.299
up your alley and then I know you like
0:17:26.819,0:17:33.840
the sound of a 22 cal so you know those
0:17:30.299,0:17:36.240
two work hand in hand and uh yeah I did
0:17:33.840,0:17:39.299
own one for for a little while and and
0:17:36.240,0:17:42.900
I'll be quite honest I don't know a
0:17:39.299,0:17:45.260
whole lot about the cartridge uh but it
0:17:42.900,0:17:48.900
was very fun to shoot uh I was shooting
0:17:45.260,0:17:53.340
I think mine it wasn't a they make a two
0:17:48.900,0:17:55.160
or 22 243 metal stead yeah and mine was
0:17:53.340,0:17:58.380
just a straight
0:17:55.160,0:18:00.539
22-243 and uh
0:17:58.380,0:18:02.700
John I can't even remember what what
0:18:00.539,0:18:04.980
twist was on the barrel I'm wanting to
0:18:02.700,0:18:05.760
say it was a one and eight yeah
0:18:04.980,0:18:08.400
um
0:18:05.760,0:18:11.340
but we were running 75 grain uh
0:18:08.400,0:18:14.280
projectiles through it and uh
0:18:11.340,0:18:15.419
I don't even remember now I think I
0:18:14.280,0:18:17.940
don't even want to get into powder I'm
0:18:15.419,0:18:21.240
not going to get into that but uh
0:18:17.940,0:18:24.419
it was ballistically it was a laser beam
0:18:21.240,0:18:26.340
that thing was awesome to shoot we uh
0:18:24.419,0:18:29.100
took it down to Texas we all done it
0:18:26.340,0:18:32.220
with it I killed uh several big boars
0:18:29.100,0:18:34.799
with it uh shot Bobcats down there with
0:18:32.220,0:18:38.340
it shot rabbits we were shooting rabbits
0:18:34.799,0:18:39.419
out to six 800 yards with it uh pretty
0:18:38.340,0:18:43.640
good Pope
0:18:39.419,0:18:46.260
pretty good poke and that gun there
0:18:43.640,0:18:47.640
the gentleman that built a friend of
0:18:46.260,0:18:49.140
mine that lives here around the home
0:18:47.640,0:18:52.200
locally
0:18:49.140,0:18:55.440
uh I think the longest kill he had on
0:18:52.200,0:18:58.559
that was like 1100 yards on a deer so I
0:18:55.440,0:19:01.620
mean it has the capability of really
0:18:58.559,0:19:05.400
reaching out there it was just a really
0:19:01.620,0:19:07.380
fun gun to shoot and I wish I could talk
0:19:05.400,0:19:10.679
on it more I didn't have the gun very
0:19:07.380,0:19:13.260
long uh my buddy he'll be listening to
0:19:10.679,0:19:13.980
this podcast probably I had a buddy of
0:19:13.260,0:19:16.380
mine
0:19:13.980,0:19:18.059
wanting to buy that gun and I really
0:19:16.380,0:19:19.500
didn't want to sell it and I thought I
0:19:18.059,0:19:21.720
priced it high enough that he wouldn't
0:19:19.500,0:19:23.820
come over and buy it from me and the
0:19:21.720,0:19:25.620
next day showed up with with a pocket
0:19:23.820,0:19:27.799
full of cash and I don't know come back
0:19:25.620,0:19:31.679
I don't own it no more
0:19:27.799,0:19:33.059
come back and beat you do you mean do
0:19:31.679,0:19:34.799
you remember what the velocities were
0:19:33.059,0:19:37.980
you were getting out of it
0:19:34.799,0:19:41.700
uh I think we're right around 3 500 on a
0:19:37.980,0:19:43.860
75 grain uh projectile and that's that's
0:19:41.700,0:19:46.020
getting it I have read before I remember
0:19:43.860,0:19:47.760
I can remember when you when I first
0:19:46.020,0:19:49.860
seen you shoot it I said man that sounds
0:19:47.760,0:19:51.480
awesome I gotta look it up and I do
0:19:49.860,0:19:54.240
remember reading something about it it
0:19:51.480,0:19:56.460
was pretty finicky like it had it had
0:19:54.240,0:19:58.020
nodes that it really liked and you had
0:19:56.460,0:20:00.120
to be right there at that node or you
0:19:58.020,0:20:02.419
could have some accuracy problems with
0:20:00.120,0:20:06.000
it did you ever experience much of that
0:20:02.419,0:20:07.280
uh no I didn't I didn't build the recipe
0:20:06.000,0:20:10.799
for it
0:20:07.280,0:20:12.840
when I when I bought the gun I bought I
0:20:10.799,0:20:16.440
bought the recipe the loads and the
0:20:12.840,0:20:18.179
loads and all and uh I never got to him
0:20:16.440,0:20:21.600
so the hard work had already been done
0:20:18.179,0:20:22.679
for you it pretty well had and I
0:20:21.600,0:20:24.660
probably should have talked to Brian
0:20:22.679,0:20:27.360
before this podcast and got some
0:20:24.660,0:20:29.280
information off of him but uh it's just
0:20:27.360,0:20:31.260
it's one of them things it's a it's a
0:20:29.280,0:20:33.240
very it was a very fun Wildcat around I
0:20:31.260,0:20:34.860
think didn't they call that back in the
0:20:33.240,0:20:37.679
day the
0:20:34.860,0:20:40.260
and the text is something wasn't it man
0:20:37.679,0:20:42.480
I can't I can't even remember I know
0:20:40.260,0:20:44.100
it's kind of you don't hear about it
0:20:42.480,0:20:47.280
much anymore it's kind of fizzled out
0:20:44.100,0:20:49.980
and I'm sure I'm sure the 22 Creed has
0:20:47.280,0:20:53.460
had a lot to do with that probably
0:20:49.980,0:20:56.940
it has and the gentleman that built that
0:20:53.460,0:20:59.880
gun we talked about that uh when the 22
0:20:56.940,0:21:01.919
Creed first started coming around uh
0:20:59.880,0:21:05.700
because the velocities
0:21:01.919,0:21:10.520
were almost identical between the two
0:21:05.700,0:21:13.860
the 2243 and the 22 Creed but the work
0:21:10.520,0:21:15.900
on doing the prep for the brass and all
0:21:13.860,0:21:18.240
that was something just wasn't there
0:21:15.900,0:21:21.120
yeah and you know that's another thing
0:21:18.240,0:21:24.059
you know I I reload a little bit uh just
0:21:21.120,0:21:26.039
reload for like three calibers but I'm
0:21:24.059,0:21:28.200
not a fan of reloading I know some guys
0:21:26.039,0:21:28.980
think it's therapeutic absolutely love
0:21:28.200,0:21:31.860
it
0:21:28.980,0:21:33.659
I'm not one of them it's like I just do
0:21:31.860,0:21:36.720
it out of necessity or sometimes you
0:21:33.659,0:21:38.039
know just it's uh it's I'm not a fan of
0:21:36.720,0:21:39.780
it but you know just like I was talking
0:21:38.039,0:21:41.100
about earlier you've got to reload for
0:21:39.780,0:21:43.140
this stuff and if you got one it's
0:21:41.100,0:21:45.780
pretty tough to develop a load for it's
0:21:43.140,0:21:47.100
a lot of work it has a lot of work I
0:21:45.780,0:21:49.500
think I told you I was talking about
0:21:47.100,0:21:51.299
reloading if it wasn't for all the if it
0:21:49.500,0:21:52.799
wasn't for Case Prep it'd be all right
0:21:51.299,0:21:54.919
if I was just pouring powder and seating
0:21:52.799,0:21:57.679
a bullet it ain't that bad
0:21:54.919,0:22:01.500
gets in the way for me
0:21:57.679,0:22:04.140
yeah it's trimming cases and resizing
0:22:01.500,0:22:06.419
and camping and you know making sure all
0:22:04.140,0:22:09.120
your stuff's clean it it can it can get
0:22:06.419,0:22:13.380
you know to be a job then and I'm kind
0:22:09.120,0:22:15.299
of the same way I I'll uh I'll start on
0:22:13.380,0:22:17.100
a batch and then about halfway through
0:22:15.299,0:22:18.780
the batch I think yeah that's about
0:22:17.100,0:22:20.760
enough to get me by for the next month
0:22:18.780,0:22:22.380
or so yeah there are some people that
0:22:20.760,0:22:24.539
lives for it so
0:22:22.380,0:22:26.100
um you know I like I said I can't really
0:22:24.539,0:22:27.840
share anything on that round you got
0:22:26.100,0:22:30.480
anything else you want to talk about on
0:22:27.840,0:22:31.740
a 22 243 two things worth mentioning how
0:22:30.480,0:22:33.240
about I mean how did it do I mean I'm
0:22:31.740,0:22:34.679
sure it just absolutely toasted the
0:22:33.240,0:22:36.720
coyotes I mean you're shooting the same
0:22:34.679,0:22:38.580
uh projectiles we was talking about for
0:22:36.720,0:22:41.280
the Creed at the same speeds if not
0:22:38.580,0:22:44.460
faster so I mean it had to it had to be
0:22:41.280,0:22:46.799
just a nightmare on the coyotes it was a
0:22:44.460,0:22:49.559
nightmare and like I said our velocities
0:22:46.799,0:22:52.620
were very comparable to that of the 22
0:22:49.559,0:22:56.220
Creed so anybody that has a 22 Creed
0:22:52.620,0:22:58.320
shooting uh 75 green projectile I mean
0:22:56.220,0:23:00.960
you're you're right there in that same
0:22:58.320,0:23:04.679
realm and I think that's you know why
0:23:00.960,0:23:06.840
you've seen that 22 243 just kind of
0:23:04.679,0:23:09.059
fizzle out yeah you know there that
0:23:06.840,0:23:11.159
create is just taking its place but as
0:23:09.059,0:23:13.500
far as the laser beam it definitely it
0:23:11.159,0:23:16.679
was it was very hard on very hard on
0:23:13.500,0:23:20.700
coyotes awesome awesome let's move on in
0:23:16.679,0:23:23.100
our our third is a caliber that
0:23:20.700,0:23:24.900
really can't be considered a wild cat
0:23:23.100,0:23:28.020
anymore because there is Factory
0:23:24.900,0:23:33.419
offerings of rifles and ammo and that is
0:23:28.020,0:23:34.799
a 2-2-4 valkyrie but Corey has one and
0:23:33.419,0:23:37.740
is running it just a little bit
0:23:34.799,0:23:39.299
different uh he is actually running he
0:23:37.740,0:23:41.460
is in a boat gun you know the valkyrie
0:23:39.299,0:23:44.159
is known kind of as running in the AR
0:23:41.460,0:23:46.080
platform but uh tell us about that core
0:23:44.159,0:23:48.299
you've you've chambered in a bolt gun
0:23:46.080,0:23:49.860
and seems like you're really liking it
0:23:48.299,0:23:53.820
out of a boat action
0:23:49.860,0:23:55.740
oh I love it I have bolt action and uh I
0:23:53.820,0:23:58.440
probably would have never have went went
0:23:55.740,0:23:59.400
that route I was actually getting ready
0:23:58.440,0:24:04.380
to
0:23:59.400,0:24:07.200
start a build on a custom 22 250. and uh
0:24:04.380,0:24:09.659
talk to a good friend of mine uh Wade
0:24:07.200,0:24:11.880
Chandler down at uh alley Munitions down
0:24:09.659,0:24:14.760
there you know Wade does a lot of
0:24:11.880,0:24:17.400
developing and stuff on different rounds
0:24:14.760,0:24:20.220
and I just hit him up about some ideas
0:24:17.400,0:24:22.320
on what I was thinking on this 22-250
0:24:20.220,0:24:25.200
build and he said well if you're going
0:24:22.320,0:24:26.820
to do that and you already own a 22
0:24:25.200,0:24:30.419
Creedmoor and he said why wouldn't you
0:24:26.820,0:24:32.520
just build one on a valkyrie and
0:24:30.419,0:24:34.740
well he sparked my interest and I said
0:24:32.520,0:24:37.440
well tell me more so him and I got
0:24:34.740,0:24:39.780
talking about Barrel twists and bullet
0:24:37.440,0:24:41.820
weights and next thing I know I'm
0:24:39.780,0:24:44.780
calling my guy over here at Summersville
0:24:41.820,0:24:48.120
to build me a 224 Valkyrie
0:24:44.780,0:24:49.740
yeah do you uh I know when it was
0:24:48.120,0:24:52.799
originally designed it's kind of
0:24:49.740,0:24:55.799
designed around firing a 90 grain bullet
0:24:52.799,0:24:57.600
yes yes I think you're shooting quite a
0:24:55.799,0:24:59.940
bit lighter than that right
0:24:57.600,0:25:03.059
yeah we're shooting we're shooting all
0:24:59.940,0:25:04.919
the way down to 60 grain and uh but yes
0:25:03.059,0:25:08.640
you're you're correct when it first came
0:25:04.919,0:25:09.720
out uh the manufacturer that developed
0:25:08.640,0:25:13.200
that round
0:25:09.720,0:25:17.100
uh developed it for
0:25:13.200,0:25:19.200
uh to be over subsonic you know at 1400
0:25:17.100,0:25:21.600
yards and I don't think it ever really
0:25:19.200,0:25:24.480
just took off you know it right too
0:25:21.600,0:25:28.020
heavy of projectile to actually just
0:25:24.480,0:25:31.080
hunt with and but a lot of guys like the
0:25:28.020,0:25:33.779
idea of having a 224 backer it just
0:25:31.080,0:25:36.840
sounds cool you know I said that yeah it
0:25:33.779,0:25:38.880
does sound cool I'll give them that yeah
0:25:36.840,0:25:40.919
they they I think they did real well
0:25:38.880,0:25:41.580
when they named that round
0:25:40.919,0:25:43.559
um
0:25:41.580,0:25:47.120
but I think God found out when they
0:25:43.559,0:25:50.100
started you know using those projectiles
0:25:47.120,0:25:52.980
at shorter distances they just weren't
0:25:50.100,0:25:54.900
accurate and uh
0:25:52.980,0:25:57.419
there was a lot of talk going around
0:25:54.900,0:25:59.400
first couple years after that round came
0:25:57.419,0:26:00.179
out that it just it wasn't an accurate
0:25:59.400,0:26:04.320
round
0:26:00.179,0:26:06.120
and uh I just I feel like guys were just
0:26:04.320,0:26:09.360
running to every too heavy of a
0:26:06.120,0:26:12.240
projectile at shorter distances you know
0:26:09.360,0:26:15.240
and so that's what we that's what we
0:26:12.240,0:26:18.539
decided to do I actually changed uh
0:26:15.240,0:26:22.320
change the The Twist rate on my rifle
0:26:18.539,0:26:25.140
then what traditional uh manufacturers
0:26:22.320,0:26:28.740
was calling for on that realm I actually
0:26:25.140,0:26:30.960
went to a one and a nine yep and then
0:26:28.740,0:26:36.000
decided to build around that 60 grain
0:26:30.960,0:26:37.320
projectile and it's it's been proven for
0:26:36.000,0:26:41.120
me I
0:26:37.320,0:26:45.299
I haven't had hardly very many Spinners
0:26:41.120,0:26:47.100
uh I've had I've had a few Runners my I
0:26:45.299,0:26:49.159
really feel like that's operator error I
0:26:47.100,0:26:53.279
think it was shot placement on my part
0:26:49.159,0:26:55.020
but for the most part I've killed I
0:26:53.279,0:26:56.940
don't know a couple hundred coyotes with
0:26:55.020,0:27:00.960
it and probably
0:26:56.940,0:27:03.120
a dozen Bobcats and I'm I'm really happy
0:27:00.960,0:27:06.360
with it it's it's been a very very good
0:27:03.120,0:27:07.740
very good cartridge for me yeah and you
0:27:06.360,0:27:11.100
might not know this but I'm gonna ask
0:27:07.740,0:27:14.039
you is the parent case of the 224
0:27:11.100,0:27:15.000
balcony that's a 6.8 SPC or something
0:27:14.039,0:27:19.500
like that
0:27:15.000,0:27:22.080
yes it's a 6.8 SPC yeah
0:27:19.500,0:27:24.240
well I'm gonna which I'm which is really
0:27:22.080,0:27:28.020
strange because
0:27:24.240,0:27:29.220
I I'm not a six eight fan right well
0:27:28.020,0:27:31.740
that's probably one of the worst
0:27:29.220,0:27:33.600
cartridges that I've ever really fired
0:27:31.740,0:27:35.100
and I know guys will disagree on me but
0:27:33.600,0:27:37.799
that's that's just from personal
0:27:35.100,0:27:39.419
experience well I'm sure you know I you
0:27:37.799,0:27:40.919
know I shouldn't say I'm sure but like I
0:27:39.419,0:27:43.440
said you know the valkyrie is known for
0:27:40.919,0:27:45.240
running an AR platform so I guess you
0:27:43.440,0:27:47.340
know that's probably where that came
0:27:45.240,0:27:49.980
from I don't know but uh you know what
0:27:47.340,0:27:54.539
I'm going to ask you you know I've had a
0:27:49.980,0:27:58.260
I've owned at one time I won a 9 22 250.
0:27:54.539,0:27:59.600
and I used to shoot 60 grain v-maxes out
0:27:58.260,0:28:04.940
of here
0:27:59.600,0:28:09.900
why would I take the 224 Valkyrie in a
0:28:04.940,0:28:13.740
bolt gun over the 22-250
0:28:09.900,0:28:15.539
well that's an extremely great
0:28:13.740,0:28:17.520
comparison
0:28:15.539,0:28:20.220
and I'm not going to take anything away
0:28:17.520,0:28:21.500
from the 20 to 250 like we said at the
0:28:20.220,0:28:25.559
beginning of the podcast
0:28:21.500,0:28:27.600
that's a that's a staple cartridge in
0:28:25.559,0:28:30.120
you know the industry that you and I are
0:28:27.600,0:28:34.080
in and it always will be
0:28:30.120,0:28:35.700
but the valkyrie it's I just I guess I
0:28:34.080,0:28:36.539
have to say it's just a little bit more
0:28:35.700,0:28:40.140
modern
0:28:36.539,0:28:43.860
uh and it sounds cooler it sounds cooler
0:28:40.140,0:28:45.779
yeah but when you when you get down to
0:28:43.860,0:28:47.880
the specs of it I think
0:28:45.779,0:28:52.260
and yeah and I you may disagree with me
0:28:47.880,0:28:55.039
and that's fine uh I think that in that
0:28:52.260,0:28:56.580
same twist rate running that same
0:28:55.039,0:29:00.419
projectile
0:28:56.580,0:29:02.760
I think the valkyrie would outperform
0:29:00.419,0:29:05.600
the 22-250
0:29:02.760,0:29:08.520
at a little bit longer distance okay
0:29:05.600,0:29:12.240
accuracy-wise accuracy I got you I got
0:29:08.520,0:29:14.520
you and and what is that because of uh
0:29:12.240,0:29:17.580
uh case design you think
0:29:14.520,0:29:18.840
I think it's all around case design
0:29:17.580,0:29:20.880
um
0:29:18.840,0:29:23.039
you know you're looking at a a little
0:29:20.880,0:29:24.539
bit longer neck on the valkyrie which is
0:29:23.039,0:29:27.600
you know
0:29:24.539,0:29:28.440
you know that it's just fits a more
0:29:27.600,0:29:31.080
modern
0:29:28.440,0:29:34.799
projectile like the 60 grain they're a
0:29:31.080,0:29:36.299
little bit longer than a 55 grain uh the
0:29:34.799,0:29:39.419
shoulder angle is a little bit different
0:29:36.299,0:29:42.600
I think the valkyrie's got like a a 30
0:29:39.419,0:29:46.440
degree shoulder angle and a 250's got a
0:29:42.600,0:29:48.299
25 degree angle and I think that's where
0:29:46.440,0:29:49.200
the difference is Gonna Come From I
0:29:48.299,0:29:50.640
think you're going to have a little bit
0:29:49.200,0:29:53.520
better burn rate
0:29:50.640,0:29:55.260
and uh I think you're just gonna have a
0:29:53.520,0:29:58.500
little bit more accuracy
0:29:55.260,0:30:01.140
because of that case design and like I
0:29:58.500,0:30:03.500
said I may make some guys mad I don't
0:30:01.140,0:30:06.419
care I really like it
0:30:03.500,0:30:09.120
even if it doesn't beat it
0:30:06.419,0:30:11.220
you like it's just it's still cool to
0:30:09.120,0:30:13.320
say Valkyrie so and that's the only
0:30:11.220,0:30:14.880
reason I ask because you know I kind of
0:30:13.320,0:30:17.279
got to reading up on a first come out
0:30:14.880,0:30:19.260
and stuff and and which you're the first
0:30:17.279,0:30:21.120
person that I knew of it that turned it
0:30:19.260,0:30:23.520
into a boat gun
0:30:21.120,0:30:25.799
um but you know when but when you turn
0:30:23.520,0:30:28.440
into a boat gun you know I think the 22
0:30:25.799,0:30:31.020
250 yeah it's like something like 20 or
0:30:28.440,0:30:33.840
30 percent more case capacity and you
0:30:31.020,0:30:38.940
know I know I can run run you know like
0:30:33.840,0:30:40.799
say the 60 grain V-Max at 3 400 easy so
0:30:38.940,0:30:42.120
yeah so what velocities are you seeing
0:30:40.799,0:30:43.080
out of The Valkyrie with with that
0:30:42.120,0:30:45.659
secretary
0:30:43.080,0:30:48.360
and that's it right there we're I was
0:30:45.659,0:30:52.080
shooting right at 3 400 off the off the
0:30:48.360,0:30:55.260
radar yeah nice nice but you're you're
0:30:52.080,0:30:57.919
totally satisfied with it love it I I
0:30:55.260,0:31:01.860
can I'm completely satisfied with it it
0:30:57.919,0:31:04.620
uh you know I've shot a lot of 250s and
0:31:01.860,0:31:07.080
I've not shot that many Valkyries uh I
0:31:04.620,0:31:10.679
do have one in an AR also
0:31:07.080,0:31:12.600
but this one here it's just it's I don't
0:31:10.679,0:31:14.580
know it's just so smooth shooting it
0:31:12.600,0:31:17.760
could be the the way it's sitting on a
0:31:14.580,0:31:20.399
chassis and and uh you know Carbon
0:31:17.760,0:31:25.380
barrel and all that I I'd love to build
0:31:20.399,0:31:28.140
a 22 250 exactly like it and not just
0:31:25.380,0:31:30.840
for the comparison just to have one you
0:31:28.140,0:31:34.399
know because they're they're so cool you
0:31:30.840,0:31:36.840
know they're just such a cool realm and
0:31:34.399,0:31:38.520
maybe then I could get into comparison
0:31:36.840,0:31:41.520
but I don't know if I'd really want to
0:31:38.520,0:31:45.000
know the results hey there you guys go
0:31:41.520,0:31:47.940
if the 224 Valkyries ever interested you
0:31:45.000,0:31:49.440
I look at it in a boat gun Corey loves
0:31:47.940,0:31:51.899
his might give you an idea to try
0:31:49.440,0:31:55.260
something in the future so uh let's move
0:31:51.899,0:31:57.299
on to the next one this is uh uh this
0:31:55.260,0:32:00.960
cartridge here is pretty much in its uh
0:31:57.299,0:32:04.919
infancy I know zero about it and that is
0:32:00.960,0:32:06.899
the 22 parvo Corey you got one tell us
0:32:04.919,0:32:09.360
about this thing
0:32:06.899,0:32:12.299
well 22 parvo
0:32:09.360,0:32:14.520
man it's a cool little round it I I
0:32:12.299,0:32:16.140
guess you could probably compare it to
0:32:14.520,0:32:18.960
something like a
0:32:16.140,0:32:22.140
like a 20 to 250 actually the I think
0:32:18.960,0:32:24.960
the velocity is probably around the same
0:32:22.140,0:32:30.059
um so it's it's kind of in between that
0:32:24.960,0:32:34.880
22 250 and and 22 Creed uh but it's
0:32:30.059,0:32:37.980
built off of a 6.5 by 47
0:32:34.880,0:32:40.340
and it's been done before it's been done
0:32:37.980,0:32:44.460
before but it's never really been done
0:32:40.340,0:32:47.340
in the configuration that my guy over at
0:32:44.460,0:32:50.760
uh Summersville hunts long range built
0:32:47.340,0:32:52.919
built uh actually he had the reamer made
0:32:50.760,0:32:55.799
and then we built the gun my I got the
0:32:52.919,0:32:57.960
first one that was ever built
0:32:55.799,0:33:01.200
and uh
0:32:57.960,0:33:02.640
it it's it's just a little bit different
0:33:01.200,0:33:05.159
degree
0:33:02.640,0:33:07.200
on the shoulder versus what they used to
0:33:05.159,0:33:09.779
call John and you might have might have
0:33:07.200,0:33:13.320
read this a little bit somewhere I used
0:33:09.779,0:33:17.100
to call it a 22 Hellcat okay
0:33:13.320,0:33:19.980
and the difference between
0:33:17.100,0:33:21.840
the Hellcat and the parvo
0:33:19.980,0:33:24.360
is
0:33:21.840,0:33:27.360
is neck angle or excuse me shoulder
0:33:24.360,0:33:28.919
angle and the next just a little bit a
0:33:27.360,0:33:31.679
little bit longer it's a little bit more
0:33:28.919,0:33:34.679
modern I guess you could could say right
0:33:31.679,0:33:34.679
but
0:33:34.740,0:33:39.600
kind of the same way with the 22
0:33:36.779,0:33:43.080
Creedmoor there's no fire forming
0:33:39.600,0:33:45.480
there's no neck turning you can shoot
0:33:43.080,0:33:48.179
this thing put it in you know take your
0:33:45.480,0:33:51.779
six five brass put it in a put it in a
0:33:48.179,0:33:54.000
resize and die you know resize it
0:33:51.779,0:33:56.220
put your powder in it push the
0:33:54.000,0:33:59.039
projectile in it and go shoot so it's
0:33:56.220,0:34:00.240
that's what's really nice about it and
0:33:59.039,0:34:03.600
uh
0:34:00.240,0:34:06.659
we're running a small rifle primer in it
0:34:03.600,0:34:09.960
so the pressure's really not very great
0:34:06.659,0:34:13.500
in the in the in the cartridge so we're
0:34:09.960,0:34:16.080
keeping pressure down velocity is up
0:34:13.500,0:34:18.359
um we've been running a
0:34:16.080,0:34:19.560
we've been running a 70 grain projectile
0:34:18.359,0:34:21.960
through it
0:34:19.560,0:34:25.379
and this is what's
0:34:21.960,0:34:28.379
this is what's really impressive uh
0:34:25.379,0:34:30.599
I'm running a one and eight twist carbon
0:34:28.379,0:34:33.060
Barrel 16 inch
0:34:30.599,0:34:35.460
and we're getting almost 3 600 feet a
0:34:33.060,0:34:38.639
second out of that good grief why'd you
0:34:35.460,0:34:41.940
say the projectile what what what grain
0:34:38.639,0:34:44.480
it's actually it's a 69 we're running 69
0:34:41.940,0:34:47.220
grams per gift though a lot about that
0:34:44.480,0:34:50.960
hey could you can you think of any
0:34:47.220,0:34:53.639
cooler name the 22 parvo I mean
0:34:50.960,0:34:55.740
and I would I wish I could take credit
0:34:53.639,0:34:59.880
for the name but I I can't you know
0:34:55.740,0:35:02.280
right right named it Ryan Ryan uh you
0:34:59.880,0:35:04.560
know came up with the idea and
0:35:02.280,0:35:08.339
you know we have not had zero problems
0:35:04.560,0:35:11.400
that other thing so he we've built now I
0:35:08.339,0:35:13.800
think we've built around a dozen maybe
0:35:11.400,0:35:17.760
maybe more maybe we might be up to 20
0:35:13.800,0:35:20.700
now really on uh 22 parvos and every
0:35:17.760,0:35:23.520
everybody that we get feedback from you
0:35:20.700,0:35:25.380
know really likes them and uh but like I
0:35:23.520,0:35:26.180
said I'd compare you know somewhere in
0:35:25.380,0:35:29.280
that
0:35:26.180,0:35:31.680
22-250 AI you know that's about where
0:35:29.280,0:35:34.320
it's at yeah and to mention you know we
0:35:31.680,0:35:37.980
almost put the 22 250 actually improved
0:35:34.320,0:35:39.839
AI in in this and uh the thing is it's
0:35:37.980,0:35:42.420
right there close with the 22 Creedmoor
0:35:39.839,0:35:44.099
as well they're very comparable the one
0:35:42.420,0:35:46.980
of the big things is with the with the
0:35:44.099,0:35:49.200
22 250 AI is you got a fire form brass
0:35:46.980,0:35:51.900
and that turns a lot of people off uh
0:35:49.200,0:35:53.520
but it's you know the the 250 case there
0:35:51.900,0:35:56.820
has room for improvement so that's
0:35:53.520,0:36:00.240
reason it was a popular AI round uh it
0:35:56.820,0:36:03.060
but it's kind of same same thing you
0:36:00.240,0:36:06.180
know talking about the 22 243 it seemed
0:36:03.060,0:36:07.920
like it's kind of fizzled out it this
0:36:06.180,0:36:10.859
day and age I shouldn't say fizzled out
0:36:07.920,0:36:13.440
in the Wildcat world but sure seems like
0:36:10.859,0:36:17.040
a lot a lot of 22 Creeds are being built
0:36:13.440,0:36:19.079
over over the old 22 250 AI
0:36:17.040,0:36:21.119
well yeah I just don't know why you'd
0:36:19.079,0:36:25.500
want to put the work into it if you can
0:36:21.119,0:36:28.079
you know for the Case Case yeah yes yeah
0:36:25.500,0:36:29.880
that's for sure or anything else on a 22
0:36:28.079,0:36:32.339
parvo that's pretty that's pretty
0:36:29.880,0:36:35.700
interesting I tell you what if I ever
0:36:32.339,0:36:38.460
get to where I want another custom rig
0:36:35.700,0:36:40.560
built you know I I guarantee I'll take a
0:36:38.460,0:36:42.480
strong look at the 22 parvo just to have
0:36:40.560,0:36:45.500
something different I mean I got two 22
0:36:42.480,0:36:49.380
Creeds why I need a third one right
0:36:45.500,0:36:51.660
well I that's exactly right I mean that
0:36:49.380,0:36:53.880
but what I like what I kind of like in
0:36:51.660,0:36:56.280
in brass is getting better
0:36:53.880,0:36:58.800
for the 22 Creedmoor there was some
0:36:56.280,0:37:01.440
brass issues you know with like pressure
0:36:58.800,0:37:02.880
and stuff back in the day right from my
0:37:01.440,0:37:07.160
understanding that brass is getting
0:37:02.880,0:37:11.160
better uh but that's kind of why we we
0:37:07.160,0:37:14.760
developed this 22 parvo was to to get
0:37:11.160,0:37:16.740
something in that sort of speed but keep
0:37:14.760,0:37:19.140
pressure down you know we want we want
0:37:16.740,0:37:21.000
to be able to build off of that and so
0:37:19.140,0:37:23.040
far it's working I'm not you know I'm
0:37:21.000,0:37:25.440
not going to say it's you know gonna be
0:37:23.040,0:37:28.520
a staple someday in in the shooting
0:37:25.440,0:37:32.400
world for coyotes but it's a lot of fun
0:37:28.520,0:37:34.740
I mean it's got to be a proven around in
0:37:32.400,0:37:37.560
the field with though with that type of
0:37:34.740,0:37:40.920
projectile that that grain that you're
0:37:37.560,0:37:42.500
using whether it be you know elds or
0:37:40.920,0:37:45.720
boat tail hollow points or whatever
0:37:42.500,0:37:47.700
without speed It's gotta It's gotta
0:37:45.720,0:37:52.140
knock coyote straight into dirt it's got
0:37:47.700,0:37:54.839
to oh it's and that's what it is I I've
0:37:52.140,0:37:57.960
not had one I've probably killed
0:37:54.839,0:37:59.400
probably around 50 cows with it since
0:37:57.960,0:38:01.740
probably
0:37:59.400,0:38:04.980
the first of June I think is when we
0:38:01.740,0:38:07.920
finally started you know saying okay we
0:38:04.980,0:38:09.900
can go and hunt with this thing now and
0:38:07.920,0:38:12.540
I have not had not one Runner with it
0:38:09.900,0:38:15.599
I've not had a spinner it's been a bit
0:38:12.540,0:38:18.359
on the impact round uh it's a little
0:38:15.599,0:38:21.300
hard on the Bobcats right but that's you
0:38:18.359,0:38:23.160
know that's been shot placement uh I
0:38:21.300,0:38:25.560
shot one kind of a little bit High you
0:38:23.160,0:38:27.480
know up in the just below the throat
0:38:25.560,0:38:29.280
here a while back and come out kind of
0:38:27.480,0:38:32.520
like in between its Weathers On you know
0:38:29.280,0:38:34.320
on its back yeah yeah and uh it really
0:38:32.520,0:38:37.800
it really tore that one up but then the
0:38:34.320,0:38:41.460
next one I killed uh shot it straight
0:38:37.800,0:38:42.780
through both shoulders and uh you know
0:38:41.460,0:38:45.060
you couldn't even tell that it was even
0:38:42.780,0:38:46.500
hit so right you know that's that's
0:38:45.060,0:38:48.720
something else that's worth mentioning
0:38:46.500,0:38:50.339
with all these rounds and even all your
0:38:48.720,0:38:51.780
factory stuff you know don't be afraid
0:38:50.339,0:38:53.820
to test some of these different bullet
0:38:51.780,0:38:55.920
weights bullet designs and stuff like
0:38:53.820,0:38:57.839
that because you know they all they all
0:38:55.920,0:38:59.820
perform a little different you got to
0:38:57.839,0:39:03.020
find something that meets your knee ease
0:38:59.820,0:39:05.280
and does well for you in the field so
0:39:03.020,0:39:07.200
well you got anything else you want to
0:39:05.280,0:39:08.460
say about that that parvo that I mean
0:39:07.200,0:39:11.119
that's like I said that's the coolest
0:39:08.460,0:39:13.619
sounding one we've talked about
0:39:11.119,0:39:15.480
well I appreciate that that does sound
0:39:13.619,0:39:18.119
pretty cool no I think we're I think
0:39:15.480,0:39:21.780
we're ready to move on well we've got uh
0:39:18.119,0:39:23.640
we've got one caliber left and we had to
0:39:21.780,0:39:26.339
throw a six millimeter in here we just
0:39:23.640,0:39:29.520
got two so so the last caliber we'll
0:39:26.339,0:39:33.839
discuss is the 243 AI
0:39:29.520,0:39:36.060
now the 243 AI actually improved is
0:39:33.839,0:39:37.980
probably one of the more famous
0:39:36.060,0:39:39.660
actually improved cartridges that's
0:39:37.980,0:39:41.339
definitely one especially in the coyote
0:39:39.660,0:39:42.720
hunting world that you hear hear about
0:39:41.339,0:39:46.619
the most
0:39:42.720,0:39:49.859
um the 243 AI in short will do
0:39:46.619,0:39:52.920
everything the 243 Winchester will do
0:39:49.859,0:39:55.740
but with a little more velocity one
0:39:52.920,0:39:59.339
thing that does turn people off on a 243
0:39:55.740,0:40:02.339
AI is is fire forming brass which really
0:39:59.339,0:40:04.260
isn't that big a deal but at the same
0:40:02.339,0:40:06.420
time it is for some people you know what
0:40:04.260,0:40:09.060
I mean and you know I I've played around
0:40:06.420,0:40:12.780
with one a little bit my brother has a
0:40:09.060,0:40:14.339
very nice rifle chambered in a 243 a Ai
0:40:12.780,0:40:16.800
and it's a man just like he was talking
0:40:14.339,0:40:19.260
about the other calibers it's a it's a
0:40:16.800,0:40:22.440
ton of fun to shoot we've used it on
0:40:19.260,0:40:24.359
coyotes Antelope mule deer black bear
0:40:22.440,0:40:26.339
all kinds of stuff and it does a
0:40:24.359,0:40:28.020
fantastic job just like the 243
0:40:26.339,0:40:29.940
Winchester dust you really can't knock
0:40:28.020,0:40:30.960
it and you like I said you guys got to
0:40:29.940,0:40:33.660
think
0:40:30.960,0:40:35.400
hey do I want to AI this thing and have
0:40:33.660,0:40:38.280
to fire form some brass or if I just
0:40:35.400,0:40:40.079
want to just shoot just it be a 243
0:40:38.280,0:40:42.480
Winchester but that's the thing you can
0:40:40.079,0:40:46.020
shoot regular 243 Winchester through a
0:40:42.480,0:40:48.720
243 AI That's what I wanted I I have
0:40:46.020,0:40:50.220
zero experience with one so yeah listen
0:40:48.720,0:40:52.680
and you talked about it's kind of
0:40:50.220,0:40:55.140
intriguing because I've never I've never
0:40:52.680,0:40:57.119
even looked into the cartridge so this
0:40:55.140,0:40:58.680
is very interesting to me right well the
0:40:57.119,0:41:01.619
thing is that's how you get your brass
0:40:58.680,0:41:05.820
you take 243 Winchester Fire it through
0:41:01.619,0:41:08.880
your 243 Ai and now you've got AI brass
0:41:05.820,0:41:10.920
and uh you know they're
0:41:08.880,0:41:12.839
is there a noticeable difference in
0:41:10.920,0:41:15.000
on-game and coyote performance when
0:41:12.839,0:41:16.680
compared to the 243 Winchester and the
0:41:15.000,0:41:19.500
six millimeter Creed
0:41:16.680,0:41:21.480
I can't really say Corey because you
0:41:19.500,0:41:24.000
know you're just talking about a hundred
0:41:21.480,0:41:25.560
feet per second faster or 150 maybe we
0:41:24.000,0:41:27.720
have to go back and look at some reload
0:41:25.560,0:41:30.420
notes for for that but what I can tell
0:41:27.720,0:41:34.020
you is the rifle is a one and nine and
0:41:30.420,0:41:36.119
shooting 69 and and 70 70 grain bullets
0:41:34.020,0:41:39.560
out of it and uh you know you're talking
0:41:36.119,0:41:39.560
about 3 800
0:41:41.300,0:41:48.300
it's absolutely cooking and you know I
0:41:45.119,0:41:49.859
I've probably used it more on coyotes
0:41:48.300,0:41:51.839
than I have anything else my brother
0:41:49.859,0:41:54.300
like I said he's he's took some Antelope
0:41:51.839,0:41:56.040
mule deer and stuff like that but I've
0:41:54.300,0:41:59.520
I've got one
0:41:56.040,0:42:01.740
story that's pretty good it's from last
0:41:59.520,0:42:04.140
spring we were actually filming for
0:42:01.740,0:42:05.579
Foxpro hunting TV filming turkey hunts
0:42:04.140,0:42:07.980
in Wyoming
0:42:05.579,0:42:09.780
well we got our turkey tag field so we
0:42:07.980,0:42:12.119
decided we was going to go out and try
0:42:09.780,0:42:13.859
to knock a coyote down for uh you've
0:42:12.119,0:42:16.020
probably seen this Corey and everybody
0:42:13.859,0:42:17.940
else has you know when we're posting
0:42:16.020,0:42:20.640
stuff on Foxpro we're using this hashtag
0:42:17.940,0:42:23.460
we live for this we kind of got this we
0:42:20.640,0:42:24.180
live for this campaign going because you
0:42:23.460,0:42:26.520
know
0:42:24.180,0:42:28.140
that's what we do man just calling
0:42:26.520,0:42:29.640
Predator hunt world we absolutely live
0:42:28.140,0:42:31.500
for so we just need some pictures and
0:42:29.640,0:42:33.240
stuff put together for an ad so we
0:42:31.500,0:42:35.880
needed a coyote you know we need to
0:42:33.240,0:42:38.339
Coyote Well
0:42:35.880,0:42:39.960
one rifle that we had there to try to
0:42:38.339,0:42:43.520
guess the coyote called in to get one
0:42:39.960,0:42:47.040
killed was 243 AI
0:42:43.520,0:42:49.079
we go out there and get to calling
0:42:47.040,0:42:51.540
Here Comes This coyote running in from
0:42:49.079,0:42:54.119
man I think we heard him Hal out there
0:42:51.540,0:42:56.040
around a thousand yards away and finally
0:42:54.119,0:42:58.079
got that sucker to come on in we drug
0:42:56.040,0:43:01.800
that thing in from a thousand yards out
0:42:58.079,0:43:04.680
all the way up to about 55-60 yards
0:43:01.800,0:43:07.560
well he's turned kind of quartering to
0:43:04.680,0:43:10.859
us and I tell Phil I said you know kill
0:43:07.560,0:43:13.200
him bust him well Phil shoots at Coyote
0:43:10.859,0:43:16.020
right in the point of the shoulder and
0:43:13.200,0:43:18.180
it comes out like what would be like
0:43:16.020,0:43:21.599
dead center of the opposite side
0:43:18.180,0:43:23.880
shoulder just I mean absolutely Burns
0:43:21.599,0:43:25.859
this coyote to the ground you ever see
0:43:23.880,0:43:27.900
those instances where you shoot a coyote
0:43:25.859,0:43:29.700
and he never usually shoot a coyote even
0:43:27.900,0:43:31.920
if he drops it kind of flickers his tail
0:43:29.700,0:43:34.020
or bites around or something a little
0:43:31.920,0:43:35.280
bit this coyote never flinched I mean
0:43:34.020,0:43:37.619
it's just like
0:43:35.280,0:43:39.980
it's just like he got struck with a boat
0:43:37.619,0:43:43.079
of lightning okay
0:43:39.980,0:43:44.579
well we walk up for this coyote yeah
0:43:43.079,0:43:46.680
good now we can take our pictures for
0:43:44.579,0:43:48.300
this uh for this we live for this
0:43:46.680,0:43:49.920
campaign and stuff you know we'll be
0:43:48.300,0:43:52.200
finished up for the week
0:43:49.920,0:43:54.480
we walk up this coyote
0:43:52.200,0:43:56.520
and the coyotes in two pieces
0:43:54.480,0:43:59.579
there's a coyote laying there and then
0:43:56.520,0:44:01.440
that offside shoulder is laying and legs
0:43:59.579,0:44:02.880
shoulder and leg just like you detached
0:44:01.440,0:44:05.640
it like you was quartering this thing up
0:44:02.880,0:44:07.020
that shoulder leg was five foot from the
0:44:05.640,0:44:10.680
coyote
0:44:07.020,0:44:12.599
oh my goodness so that completely ruined
0:44:10.680,0:44:14.880
it it was the most devastating shot I've
0:44:12.599,0:44:18.599
ever seen on a coyote my life was from a
0:44:14.880,0:44:21.540
243 AI this past spring
0:44:18.599,0:44:22.859
man absolutely tore his shoulder off so
0:44:21.540,0:44:25.260
guess what we had to do we had to keep
0:44:22.859,0:44:28.140
coyote Colin well there ain't nothing
0:44:25.260,0:44:29.819
wrong with that is there well you had to
0:44:28.140,0:44:31.440
get us a good clean coyote for these
0:44:29.819,0:44:33.119
pictures and sure enough few stands
0:44:31.440,0:44:34.740
later we got one to come up here
0:44:33.119,0:44:36.300
broadside and hit it right behind the
0:44:34.740,0:44:39.140
Shoulder Through the lungs and and had
0:44:36.300,0:44:41.520
zero Pelt damage then
0:44:39.140,0:44:43.800
but that is one thing I will tell you
0:44:41.520,0:44:46.319
about a 243 AI
0:44:43.800,0:44:49.079
and any of you guys are shooting a 243
0:44:46.319,0:44:51.300
or the six Creed already know this man
0:44:49.079,0:44:52.619
it is they're just great medicine on
0:44:51.300,0:44:55.140
coyotes just like we was talking about
0:44:52.619,0:44:56.579
earlier everything will always be
0:44:55.140,0:44:58.560
compared when you start talking about
0:44:56.579,0:45:01.619
six six millimeter stuff they're going
0:44:58.560,0:45:03.839
to be compared to the 243. there's a 243
0:45:01.619,0:45:05.520
AI really gain you much
0:45:03.839,0:45:07.380
you know if you're a reloader you know
0:45:05.520,0:45:09.240
you have a little bit less you don't do
0:45:07.380,0:45:10.980
much case trimming on Mai rounds and
0:45:09.240,0:45:13.079
stuff like that but if you're somebody's
0:45:10.980,0:45:16.260
not interested in in reloading just
0:45:13.079,0:45:17.520
stick with it 243. you know what I mean
0:45:16.260,0:45:20.040
I don't know if it's really worth it
0:45:17.520,0:45:22.260
it's fun they're fun calibers to shoot
0:45:20.040,0:45:24.540
and you do gain a little bit of velocity
0:45:22.260,0:45:26.819
but uh man ain't nothing wrong with that
0:45:24.540,0:45:29.280
243 and six Creed either
0:45:26.819,0:45:31.980
not at all no no they're very good
0:45:29.280,0:45:35.520
rounds and and I I own both of them
0:45:31.980,0:45:38.579
along with the you know the 22 Creed and
0:45:35.520,0:45:40.680
the 22 parvo I'm just like you John I'm
0:45:38.579,0:45:43.380
just kind of a gun nut I'm a I'm a big
0:45:40.680,0:45:46.140
varmint caliber fan
0:45:43.380,0:45:47.520
but uh there'll always be room for that
0:45:46.140,0:45:51.000
243
0:45:47.520,0:45:54.000
yep for sure yeah and you know I Gotta
0:45:51.000,0:45:56.400
Throw the 22 250 and arrows as well I
0:45:54.000,0:45:58.859
think I've got a love for the 22 250
0:45:56.400,0:46:01.859
because that was the first
0:45:58.859,0:46:04.020
you know more it's proven too but one
0:46:01.859,0:46:06.240
thing is it's a that's the gun I use to
0:46:04.020,0:46:08.700
kill when I was in high school I killed
0:46:06.240,0:46:10.680
my very first coyote the 22-250 so you
0:46:08.700,0:46:12.000
know it's kind of it's kind of just uh
0:46:10.680,0:46:14.040
you know I've got it's got a special
0:46:12.000,0:46:17.640
place my heart Corey I can't pass up on
0:46:14.040,0:46:19.920
22 250. well I don't blame you they're
0:46:17.640,0:46:22.140
they're very good around and I've owned
0:46:19.920,0:46:25.200
gosh I don't know I probably own
0:46:22.140,0:46:28.619
eight or ten different 2250s you know so
0:46:25.200,0:46:30.359
they I I love them too yeah well me yeah
0:46:28.619,0:46:33.420
I've always got to ask some kind of
0:46:30.359,0:46:35.400
question at the end to see if I can't uh
0:46:33.420,0:46:36.960
you know drag some information out of
0:46:35.400,0:46:39.839
somebody so
0:46:36.960,0:46:41.420
this is for you Corey so you ready
0:46:39.839,0:46:44.280
I don't know
0:46:41.420,0:46:48.119
if you could only keep
0:46:44.280,0:46:50.400
one of these Wildcat cartridges that
0:46:48.119,0:46:54.440
you've tested we've talked about on here
0:46:50.400,0:46:54.440
what would it be and why
0:46:55.280,0:47:03.900
I'm I'm gonna have to say the 22 parvo
0:46:59.760,0:47:06.599
really and I'm I'm telling you it's it's
0:47:03.900,0:47:07.920
really I probably wouldn't have said
0:47:06.599,0:47:10.400
that
0:47:07.920,0:47:14.520
uh six months ago
0:47:10.400,0:47:16.380
but the more kills I I get with it and
0:47:14.520,0:47:18.720
the more kills I produce with it and the
0:47:16.380,0:47:21.839
more I shoot it the more I really
0:47:18.720,0:47:24.660
gravitate to it as far as the Wildcat
0:47:21.839,0:47:27.119
round goes yep it uh
0:47:24.660,0:47:30.599
it's just a different hot rod I mean
0:47:27.119,0:47:33.420
yeah it really is and it and it just
0:47:30.599,0:47:35.700
feels different uh when I shoot that gun
0:47:33.420,0:47:38.220
it just it just feels like a hot rod in
0:47:35.700,0:47:40.079
my hand and it feels like a hot rod when
0:47:38.220,0:47:43.980
I shoot it and
0:47:40.079,0:47:46.800
it's dead on impact and uh you know what
0:47:43.980,0:47:48.300
what we've been able to do out of a 16
0:47:46.800,0:47:51.660
inch barrel
0:47:48.300,0:47:54.720
I just really really like it so I'm
0:47:51.660,0:47:57.780
gonna have to I mean 22 Creeds right
0:47:54.720,0:47:59.640
there with it uh you know as far as I
0:47:57.780,0:48:02.819
mean if I if I couldn't have the parvo
0:47:59.640,0:48:05.220
it'd be I'd be grabbing the Creed but uh
0:48:02.819,0:48:06.900
that that 22 part was really something
0:48:05.220,0:48:09.420
right you know as far as the Wildcat
0:48:06.900,0:48:11.220
goes yes well I'll tell you what it uh
0:48:09.420,0:48:12.540
it definitely intrigues me especially
0:48:11.220,0:48:14.040
after hearing you talking about it and
0:48:12.540,0:48:15.960
seeing you shooting it for going on a
0:48:14.040,0:48:18.119
year I would definitely take a really
0:48:15.960,0:48:19.680
close look at it for my next uh custom
0:48:18.119,0:48:21.780
build if I ever get the opportunity to
0:48:19.680,0:48:23.339
do that again and you know of course for
0:48:21.780,0:48:24.960
me I don't have as much experience in
0:48:23.339,0:48:27.300
these other calibers as you do so I'm
0:48:24.960,0:48:31.020
going to pick the 22 Crete it's very
0:48:27.300,0:48:32.760
proven uh it's easy to get brass for you
0:48:31.020,0:48:35.700
know you can you can buy brass and just
0:48:32.760,0:48:37.619
start start loading if you can't find 22
0:48:35.700,0:48:39.660
Creed brass you can make you know you
0:48:37.619,0:48:41.819
can take six Creed brass and neck it
0:48:39.660,0:48:43.740
down real easy and get to loading one
0:48:41.819,0:48:45.780
two cal bullets so I really like that
0:48:43.740,0:48:48.000
it's easy to load for
0:48:45.780,0:48:50.280
um you know I've I've found several
0:48:48.000,0:48:51.960
accurate uh loadings in it and being
0:48:50.280,0:48:54.480
able to push it pretty quick so I I
0:48:51.960,0:48:55.980
really like the 22 Creed uh just for
0:48:54.480,0:48:59.160
those reasons you know definitely over
0:48:55.980,0:49:02.220
the 243 AI just because the fire forming
0:48:59.160,0:49:04.859
issue and and because there's not really
0:49:02.220,0:49:07.560
that much difference and when you really
0:49:04.859,0:49:10.260
get to comparing it to the to you know
0:49:07.560,0:49:11.760
its parent the 243 Winchester and then
0:49:10.260,0:49:13.859
the six Creed they're all right there
0:49:11.760,0:49:16.319
pretty close you do gain a little bit of
0:49:13.859,0:49:20.940
that AI there's no doubt about it but uh
0:49:16.319,0:49:23.400
just for for ease man that 22 Creedmoor
0:49:20.940,0:49:25.440
going to agreed for me for sure you know
0:49:23.400,0:49:27.180
and there's a lot there's a lot of other
0:49:25.440,0:49:28.380
cool cartridges out now it seemed like
0:49:27.180,0:49:30.000
there's something new coming out every
0:49:28.380,0:49:32.520
year you know there's a lot of stuff in
0:49:30.000,0:49:34.020
the AR world you know 22 knots or six
0:49:32.520,0:49:35.099
arcs I don't you know there's just so
0:49:34.020,0:49:36.260
much stuff out there anymore I don't
0:49:35.099,0:49:38.280
even know
0:49:36.260,0:49:40.740
what's out there and I'm sure they're
0:49:38.280,0:49:43.020
cooking up more for the near future
0:49:40.740,0:49:46.200
oh I I guarantee they are that's six
0:49:43.020,0:49:48.420
arc's very interesting you know what I
0:49:46.200,0:49:50.040
I've been kind of interested in in
0:49:48.420,0:49:53.700
trying to look into more of something
0:49:50.040,0:49:55.859
about that but uh I don't know I if
0:49:53.700,0:49:58.560
I'm kind of a like I said I'm kind of
0:49:55.859,0:50:01.140
that hot rod guy I really like that you
0:49:58.560,0:50:03.540
know the idea of this six millimeter in
0:50:01.140,0:50:05.280
the Creedmoor but uh
0:50:03.540,0:50:07.079
I don't know maybe something maybe
0:50:05.280,0:50:09.960
something to it but there are oh yeah
0:50:07.079,0:50:11.700
that's what's fun about you know uh
0:50:09.960,0:50:13.740
about all these cartridges you know
0:50:11.700,0:50:15.540
something new comes out and you know it
0:50:13.740,0:50:17.220
might spark your interest and next thing
0:50:15.540,0:50:20.819
you know you're building building a
0:50:17.220,0:50:22.319
custom gun that's right that's right you
0:50:20.819,0:50:24.260
got you got anything else you'd like to
0:50:22.319,0:50:28.079
save before we get out of here
0:50:24.260,0:50:29.700
ah man I man I just I hope guys have fun
0:50:28.079,0:50:32.040
with this you know and I hope you guys
0:50:29.700,0:50:33.720
have uh you know listened to it and
0:50:32.040,0:50:35.940
think hey let's try something like that
0:50:33.720,0:50:37.920
but I'm just like you if you don't want
0:50:35.940,0:50:41.400
to get into the reloading side of it
0:50:37.920,0:50:43.619
don't uh don't look at an AI That's Just
0:50:41.400,0:50:45.900
that's just my with my experience yeah
0:50:43.619,0:50:47.579
and pretty much pretty much you know the
0:50:45.900,0:50:50.700
others as well really when you get right
0:50:47.579,0:50:52.260
down to it and you know I'll say don't
0:50:50.700,0:50:55.500
think you've got to shoot some kind of
0:50:52.260,0:50:57.540
custom rig or or uh some of these uh
0:50:55.500,0:50:59.220
Wildcat calibers they're not going to
0:50:57.540,0:51:01.680
make you kill any more coyotes I mean
0:50:59.220,0:51:03.480
they might know they could help you pick
0:51:01.680,0:51:05.940
up extra coyote at the end of the year
0:51:03.480,0:51:07.920
you know with maybe extended ranges and
0:51:05.940,0:51:08.640
stuff like that but man he's got you
0:51:07.920,0:51:10.440
know
0:51:08.640,0:51:11.640
somebody's shooting a 22 Creed ain't
0:51:10.440,0:51:13.559
necessarily going to be killing any more
0:51:11.640,0:51:16.140
coyotes than somebody shooting a 223 or
0:51:13.559,0:51:18.420
22 250 so don't don't feel like you've
0:51:16.140,0:51:21.599
got to jump into this world it is a fun
0:51:18.420,0:51:25.680
world to be in at times it really is and
0:51:21.599,0:51:27.359
uh one thing I would I think again guys
0:51:25.680,0:51:28.920
I'm sure there's some guys listening to
0:51:27.359,0:51:30.599
know a heck of a lot more about this
0:51:28.920,0:51:32.819
than that me and Corey do you're
0:51:30.599,0:51:34.440
probably like yeah man this new media is
0:51:32.819,0:51:37.020
talking about that can you believe they
0:51:34.440,0:51:39.059
said that hey don't be don't be coming
0:51:37.020,0:51:41.400
at me and Corey on Facebook and
0:51:39.059,0:51:42.480
Instagram and Tick Tock and all these
0:51:41.400,0:51:43.619
places saying yeah I don't know what
0:51:42.480,0:51:44.700
you're talking about because you're
0:51:43.619,0:51:46.260
probably right we don't know what we're
0:51:44.700,0:51:49.020
talking about sometimes but we sure
0:51:46.260,0:51:51.119
talked about the game well we're just
0:51:49.020,0:51:52.619
we're just two good buddies you know
0:51:51.119,0:51:54.599
having a good conversation about some
0:51:52.619,0:51:55.920
garment rounds so yeah I'm sure there's
0:51:54.599,0:51:57.119
other people out there that know a
0:51:55.920,0:51:58.380
little bit more about these rounds than
0:51:57.119,0:52:00.480
we do
0:51:58.380,0:52:02.099
um but man I know the ones I have shot
0:52:00.480,0:52:03.420
I've had a lot of fun with them that's
0:52:02.099,0:52:05.280
for sure
0:52:03.420,0:52:07.619
yes absolutely
0:52:05.280,0:52:08.940
well it's About Time to Say Goodbye
0:52:07.619,0:52:11.280
ain't it
0:52:08.940,0:52:13.920
oh yeah I'm about time to go get it
0:52:11.280,0:52:15.599
you'll get me a haircut hey I got time
0:52:13.920,0:52:17.400
for a Kyle to stay it looks like yeah
0:52:15.599,0:52:20.099
you got coyotes you need to kill so you
0:52:17.400,0:52:21.839
better get to it all right guys we hope
0:52:20.099,0:52:23.160
everyone enjoyed this episode we hope
0:52:21.839,0:52:25.940
you join us again right here on the
0:52:23.160,0:52:25.940
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