The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 19: Talkin Turkey with the Host of "Struttin' in the Bluegrass"

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Host of "Struttin' in the Bluegrass", Bo McGuffey discuss scouting, decoy spread and calling tactics for spring turkey hunting success.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the Foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by Foxpro game calls

 

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hello everyone I'm John Collins welcome

 

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back to the Foxpro podcast on this

 

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episode we have Beau McGuffey the host

 

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of strutting in the Bluegrass joining us

 

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what's going on Bo you doing all right

 

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I'm good man how's everything in your

 

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world

 

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wet and rainy today

 

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well we live close enough to one another

 

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I know exactly what you mean it's it's

 

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it's not a very pretty spring day that's

 

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for sure yeah beau's just sitting

 

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probably 20 minutes from me maybe 25 at

 

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the most just in the neighboring County

 

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and we've had uh it was cold yesterday a

 

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little cool this morning had some rain

 

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come through and I think supposed to be

 

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back up in the 70s tomorrow though

 

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um turkeys ought to be hammering in the

 

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morning

 

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I know what Yeah tomorrow's supposed to

 

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get nice and warm and then I think we

 

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got a lot of rain but then I already

 

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looked uh Sunday it's supposed to be you

 

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know supposed to clear out Saturday

 

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afternoon and Sunday looks uh clear and

 

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and nice so I've already got plans to be

 

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out Sunday morning listening because

 

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they ought to they ought to be gobbling

 

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pretty good dang right it's that time of

 

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year and guys and gals bowl is the host

 

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of Kentucky Department of Fish and

 

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Wildlife spring show called strutting in

 

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the Bluegrass strutting is a seven show

 

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series where they filmed the first seven

 

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days of Kentucky spring turkey season

 

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they filmed the shows that morning get

 

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the show edited up midday and then

 

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actually put that show out that they

 

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filmed that morning they put it out that

 

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afternoon pretty wild series but oh you

 

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ready you're about ready to get that

 

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thing started for this year we're we're

 

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ready or we think we're ready you know

 

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what I mean it's uh but like you said

 

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it's uh you know you you look at

 

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producing shows and heck you you know

 

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this and you all are as good as anybody

 

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putting out you know recent content but

 

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you go to a format of where okay we're

 

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going out in the morning and we're going

 

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to film that morning's action and we

 

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need to produce a show that evening uh

 

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it's you know you got to come up with

 

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some material and some content and Heck

 

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if we've turkey hunting long enough you

 

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know you got you you know you'll have

 

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some mornings where things don't go

 

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right so so we think we're ready we you

 

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know we've been planning it for a while

 

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and sure got our properties lined out

 

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and sort of a schedule we're gonna hunt

 

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with some different people this year so

 

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uh yeah we're ready for it so you know

 

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just excited to get it get into it yep

 

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it was gonna be the fourth the fourth

 

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season of strutting

 

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yeah fourth fourth year it's crazy isn't

 

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it yeah it is it is it uh actually the

 

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first two seasons of it

 

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um I actually helped both that me and

 

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Beau were actually the co-host of

 

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strutting I'm I've moved on here to a

 

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position at Foxpro and and got away from

 

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that but uh Foxpro actually still

 

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sponsors that show they uh we sponsor

 

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them with turkey calls and and uh man

 

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it's it's a series I kind of miss being

 

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part of it but at the same time it's so

 

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hectic and it's a little stressful it's

 

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a little stressful so I'm not really

 

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missing that but I sure do uh miss

 

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hunting with you guys and putting that

 

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show on it's a it's a great show you

 

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guys need to need to check it out this

 

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spring when it starts when when does it

 

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start up bro what's uh what is opening

 

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day

 

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opening day this year in Kentucky is

 

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April 15th so uh that's it'll kick off

 

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that day uh and you know it's one thing

 

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if if anybody's you know of course on

 

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Facebook one thing we do with it as well

 

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oh we'll do that show that night but

 

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middle of the day late morning we'll

 

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actually do a Facebook live and uh we go

 

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live for 15 to 20 minutes and the one

 

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thing that that I've really started

 

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enjoying with those lives during the

 

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year is it's really neat because uh you

 

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know you get people commenting from all

 

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across the state of what they're seeing

 

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what they're hearing what birds are

 

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doing in in their area and uh and it's

 

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sort of neat when you get on there and

 

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maybe you've had a bad morning or

 

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somebody on there is about a slow

 

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morning and they see somebody else had

 

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some action it can be encouraged into

 

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them so but but the Facebook lives are a

 

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big part of that as well so uh it starts

 

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April April 15th and and like you said

 

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earlier we'll go seven days first first

 

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seven days of season and we'll produce a

 

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show each each day of that opening week

 

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yep it's uh it's pretty much as live as

 

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you can get besides we're just streaming

 

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it as it as it happens I mean you get to

 

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see that action that afternoon today got

 

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to put down uh that morning and you guys

 

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can watch that on Kentucky Department

 

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Fish and Wildlife Facebook page your

 

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Instagram page and their YouTube channel

 

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so their YouTube channel that's right be

 

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sure to check that out uh here just next

 

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month here in just a few weeks just a

 

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few weeks you had to be here before you

 

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know it that's for sure exactly my son

 

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is still 15. so youth weekend is April

 

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1st and 2nd for for Kentucky

 

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uh so we've already got plans you know

 

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we're going to hunt that weekend and we

 

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won't put that show out until opening

 

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week hopefully we get all bird and

 

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produce a show right but uh we'll put

 

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we'll include that hunt hopefully uh

 

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during the week so but yeah I mean less

 

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than two weeks we'll be hunting awesome

 

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awesome can't wait for it to get started

 

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well uh bo uh we've done quite a bit of

 

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hunting together over the years haven't

 

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we a little a little bit yeah that's

 

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that's another thing bo uh Bo's one of

 

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my best friends I got and plus he's uh

 

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we're cousins we're first cousins his

 

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dad my mom or brother and sister and we

 

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pretty much uh grew up together and and

 

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grew up in Outdoors together

 

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yeah I know heck yeah especially turkey

 

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out and I'm sure we'll talk about it at

 

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some point Lord we learned the turkey

 

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out together we didn't even know what we

 

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were doing but but uh but yeah it's

 

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funny because uh you know the success

 

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you've had are super proud of you but

 

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people you know like I said we grew up

 

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together we got pictures standing around

 

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you know

 

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when our kids together and people ask me

 

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so you know John Collins I said yeah I

 

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know him a little bit uh yeah I know the

 

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boy a little bit so I don't know like I

 

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said the turkey hunting thing yeah we

 

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basically learned learned that whole

 

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process right beside each other yep

 

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that's and another wild thing is is uh

 

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uh me and Bo we uh you know I shared my

 

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first Real Deal coyote stand with Bo

 

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many many moons ago and uh I don't know

 

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if it it left the same impact on you

 

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Beau but uh if you remember on our very

 

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first hand we called in seven

 

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cows because it was it was it was a

 

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crazy morning it really was but yeah and

 

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I I remember that like it was yesterday

 

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we both we both got lucky and killed

 

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deer that year and was tagged out and we

 

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said let's try this thing and I don't

 

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know if you remember or not but we

 

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literally had a Primos mouth call I

 

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couldn't remember I could remember what

 

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I just remember it was uh uh just some

 

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kind of wooden tube Cottondale distress

 

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yeah that's all it was it was just yeah

 

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and there we went with two deer rifles

 

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and and and then several years later

 

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heck your work you know that's what you

 

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do for a living it's pretty neat man it

 

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was it was wild we actually called in

 

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seven coyotes on the first coyote stand

 

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and we unloaded

 

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I'll tell you how crazy we was you know

 

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of course there ain't no money we was

 

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young and you know Beau was packing uh

 

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if I remember right a 30-30 Winchester

 

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lever action model 94 and uh I I

 

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actually had a 243 and 22 250 a few

 

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things my dad's but didn't have no ammo

 

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for none of them it just so happened

 

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like it's going to sound wild to people

 

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but the only rifle besides for a 22 long

 

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rifle I had in the house that I had ammo

 

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for was I had a had a rifle sitting

 

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there my uncles it was a Weatherby Mark

 

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IV or something I don't know one of them

 

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fancy Weatherby guns chambered in 300

 

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Weatherby Magnum

 

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so

 

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yeah after all the smoke cleared and

 

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them seven coyotes come running in

 

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everything uh you know it got chaotic

 

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quick anyway he unloaded at 30 30 and I

 

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unloaded at 300 with it but we only had

 

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two coyotes laying on the ground When

 

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the Smoke came up I tell you what man

 

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you thought we killed two big bone and

 

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Crockett bugs

 

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say this the one you

 

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shot that in quite a while the one that

 

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got shot that lever action 30 30 didn't

 

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either because he run up there to 30

 

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steps from us both shot him right in the

 

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chest

 

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yeah I hadn't thought about that in

 

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quite a while yeah yeah but uh yeah we

 

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uh we started turkey hunting together to

 

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hit a really young age uh we were

 

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teenagers early teens and uh early teens

 

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yeah yeah I wasn't close to having my

 

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driver's license yeah yeah yeah and I

 

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tell you what uh pretty much uh the

 

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person that kind of got us into it or or

 

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had a big part of getting it started in

 

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turkey hunting was your grandpa

 

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that's right this time of year

 

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in uh March and early April we'd uh we

 

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get to ride around beau's Grandpa and

 

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you don't want to my area of Kentucky

 

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really didn't my part where I lived at

 

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and grew up really didn't have that many

 

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turkeys but you know I'll go over and

 

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visit you guys and your grandpa get to

 

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riding us around and man we'd spend a

 

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whole weekend looking for turkeys and

 

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and finding these you know it was it was

 

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wild

 

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no it was I mean it was literally you

 

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know it had the same impact on you as it

 

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did me and I don't think we even

 

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realized at the time that you're right

 

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my grandpa and of course people can

 

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relate you know my grandpa he had never

 

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even seen a wild turkey he said you know

 

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he could recall the first time somebody

 

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told him about one he thought they were

 

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lying and and I can still remember the

 

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first time he showed me one and he was

 

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he was you remember he was amazed by

 

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them and and the funny thing is he never

 

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killed one he never killed one but but

 

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you're right he would all mean you were

 

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out and uh you know the first time we

 

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saw him strutting and really the first

 

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time we had one gobble it was it was

 

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done you know it was just hooked for

 

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life and uh but you're right we would

 

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ride around you know there was no season

 

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in some of the counties we live you know

 

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where we lived but but we would spend

 

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all spring just riding around and

 

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watching them uh it was just you know

 

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just amazed by them and uh but you're

 

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right that's what got it all started

 

0:10:23.100,0:10:28.260

with us yep and finally when we had a

 

0:10:25.680,0:10:30.600

good hunt on here close to home and had

 

0:10:28.260,0:10:34.519

a had a season and huntable population

 

0:10:30.600,0:10:34.519

we've been pouring it to them ever since

 

0:10:34.860,0:10:38.880

how long you went John but

 

0:10:37.019,0:10:40.620

I mean you know like I said I was a kid

 

0:10:38.880,0:10:43.519

you know whenever we started you're four

 

0:10:40.620,0:10:43.519

years older than me

 

0:10:48.260,0:10:56.339

okay uh three three in a month okay fair

 

0:10:52.980,0:10:58.440

enough fair enough but uh but you know I

 

0:10:56.339,0:10:59.820

mean the first few years I mean John I

 

0:10:58.440,0:11:01.560

hunted four years before I heard one

 

0:10:59.820,0:11:03.000

gobble a while hunting you know we just

 

0:11:01.560,0:11:05.940

didn't have no birds to hunt I remember

 

0:11:03.000,0:11:07.620

that year you killed a jake and heck we

 

0:11:05.940,0:11:11.760

looked at that thing like it was a you

 

0:11:07.620,0:11:14.880

know a 106 inch white yeah yeah I got I

 

0:11:11.760,0:11:16.079

got pretty pretty lucky you know I might

 

0:11:14.880,0:11:18.779

you know probably a lot better Hunter

 

0:11:16.079,0:11:20.579

than you are yeah I actually killed one

 

0:11:18.779,0:11:22.860

killed one the first year but it was

 

0:11:20.579,0:11:25.380

pure luck and it was a it was a great

 

0:11:22.860,0:11:27.899

big old fat Jake and uh it's like you

 

0:11:25.380,0:11:31.019

said you know it's actually a second

 

0:11:27.899,0:11:34.320

hump first Hunt went out and had zero

 

0:11:31.019,0:11:36.779

luck second day went out mid morning

 

0:11:34.320,0:11:39.480

you know it was got lucky enough to get

 

0:11:36.779,0:11:41.519

on a bird heard Birds gobbling and uh

 

0:11:39.480,0:11:45.000

called it Jakey now strutting Goblin

 

0:11:41.519,0:11:47.220

Jake and man oh man hooked on that ever

 

0:11:45.000,0:11:48.660

seen I mean I was already hooked I was

 

0:11:47.220,0:11:50.339

just riding around and watching turkeys

 

0:11:48.660,0:11:52.560

and listening to turkeys but well

 

0:11:50.339,0:11:55.800

actually actually got one to flopping

 

0:11:52.560,0:11:58.920

it's a it was just a game changer yeah

 

0:11:55.800,0:12:00.240

now so so yeah it started early early on

 

0:11:58.920,0:12:02.160

with this and like I said my grandpa

 

0:12:00.240,0:12:03.899

Yana Every Spring I don't know about you

 

0:12:02.160,0:12:06.480

you know he passed a few years ago but

 

0:12:03.899,0:12:07.920

every spring he he comes back to me

 

0:12:06.480,0:12:10.560

pretty good because when I think about

 

0:12:07.920,0:12:12.540

Springtime in Turkey I go I think about

 

0:12:10.560,0:12:13.920

him a lot because he did he put a lot of

 

0:12:12.540,0:12:16.019

time in writing and me and you around

 

0:12:13.920,0:12:18.240

and showing you know and just letting us

 

0:12:16.019,0:12:19.860

look at them and watch them and uh

 

0:12:18.240,0:12:22.220

and he loved you know he loved wild

 

0:12:19.860,0:12:25.860

turkey just as much as we did yeah yeah

 

0:12:22.220,0:12:27.959

I think uh whole Paul Jimmy for that I I

 

0:12:25.860,0:12:29.220

definitely definitely that's right thank

 

0:12:27.959,0:12:31.920

him for getting us started in turkey

 

0:12:29.220,0:12:34.320

hunting that's for sure so uh speaking

 

0:12:31.920,0:12:36.420

all that what does uh bo what is turkey

 

0:12:34.320,0:12:38.399

hunting what does turkey hunt mean to

 

0:12:36.420,0:12:42.240

Beau McGuffey

 

0:12:38.399,0:12:45.540

man that's uh that's a good question

 

0:12:42.240,0:12:48.480

um you know and you know I'm sure you're

 

0:12:45.540,0:12:51.540

you're the same way but it's and it it

 

0:12:48.480,0:12:54.779

just does my soul good man I'm telling

 

0:12:51.540,0:12:58.620

you you come out a winner uh

 

0:12:54.779,0:13:00.120

and you know take you know the

 

0:12:58.620,0:13:01.740

the woods and the fields and

 

0:13:00.120,0:13:04.860

everything's coming back to life and and

 

0:13:01.740,0:13:07.260

to see turkey strutting and Goblin it

 

0:13:04.860,0:13:09.779

puts a you know a new fire in May each

 

0:13:07.260,0:13:11.339

year but it's uh it's something that

 

0:13:09.779,0:13:12.779

literally like you know I sit in a deer

 

0:13:11.339,0:13:14.820

stand

 

0:13:12.779,0:13:16.860

you know I loved a deer hunt but I'm

 

0:13:14.820,0:13:19.260

thinking about turkey season

 

0:13:16.860,0:13:22.620

it's uh beside you know after my faith

 

0:13:19.260,0:13:25.019

in in God my family turkey hunting is

 

0:13:22.620,0:13:27.420

it's right there it's something I truly

 

0:13:25.019,0:13:29.700

truly love and have a passion for and uh

 

0:13:27.420,0:13:31.800

and look forward to it every year I'm

 

0:13:29.700,0:13:33.240

sure I'm sure you're like me I thought

 

0:13:31.800,0:13:35.279

before like you know as I get older

 

0:13:33.240,0:13:37.200

wonderful things what if I'm gonna

 

0:13:35.279,0:13:38.820

keep love chasing those things like uh

 

0:13:37.200,0:13:40.380

like I always have and it's it's every

 

0:13:38.820,0:13:44.519

year I think I enjoy it more and more

 

0:13:40.380,0:13:46.800

right I really do uh you know I saw a

 

0:13:44.519,0:13:48.000

flock strut and other the other A Flock

 

0:13:46.800,0:13:49.320

with a couple Birds strutting the other

 

0:13:48.000,0:13:51.540

day and I you know I pulled over and

 

0:13:49.320,0:13:53.519

watched them for 10 minutes I I just I

 

0:13:51.540,0:13:55.560

really like I said going back to my

 

0:13:53.519,0:13:57.600

grandpa it turkey hunting means the

 

0:13:55.560,0:13:59.459

world to me uh so and it's you know when

 

0:13:57.600,0:14:03.000

you think about the relationship and

 

0:13:59.459,0:14:04.680

help build with uh you and you and I uh

 

0:14:03.000,0:14:06.240

and then and then new friends over the

 

0:14:04.680,0:14:09.120

years you know you introduced Merle

 

0:14:06.240,0:14:10.980

hacker to me yep uh he helps me on that

 

0:14:09.120,0:14:12.839

show it's just stuff like that it now

 

0:14:10.980,0:14:15.360

turkey hunting is a big big part of my

 

0:14:12.839,0:14:19.019

life and something I'm so thankful for

 

0:14:15.360,0:14:21.959

yep for sure that's good stuff Let's uh

 

0:14:19.019,0:14:24.000

let's talk about uh a little bit you

 

0:14:21.959,0:14:26.100

know getting depth kind of talk about

 

0:14:24.000,0:14:28.019

turkey Scout and what goes on through

 

0:14:26.100,0:14:30.420

the season stuff how important do you

 

0:14:28.019,0:14:32.100

feel like turkey scouting scouting for

 

0:14:30.420,0:14:34.200

turkeys is to your success throughout

 

0:14:32.100,0:14:36.540

the year ends especially to success for

 

0:14:34.200,0:14:39.420

uh for strutting in a Bluegrass you know

 

0:14:36.540,0:14:41.100

that's that's such a such a big deal for

 

0:14:39.420,0:14:42.660

you know it's just seven days and you

 

0:14:41.100,0:14:44.519

got to put a show out all seven days

 

0:14:42.660,0:14:48.420

there's a lot of planning goes into that

 

0:14:44.519,0:14:51.660

and and scouting plays a huge huge role

 

0:14:48.420,0:14:54.000

in it you know there's I mean you know

 

0:14:51.660,0:14:55.500

this you know there's you know tons of

 

0:14:54.000,0:14:57.120

people that hunt and a lot and there's

 

0:14:55.500,0:14:58.199

lots of dedicated turkey hunters out

 

0:14:57.120,0:15:00.300

there lots of people love to chase

 

0:14:58.199,0:15:02.579

turkeys but you know the vast majority

 

0:15:00.300,0:15:04.019

of people in my circle they love to deer

 

0:15:02.579,0:15:05.639

hunt and and they you know they turkey

 

0:15:04.019,0:15:08.360

out in the spring because they enjoy it

 

0:15:05.639,0:15:11.459

but but I don't think people understand

 

0:15:08.360,0:15:13.320

how important scouting is with success

 

0:15:11.459,0:15:14.519

and into account because like I said all

 

0:15:13.320,0:15:15.839

those people with deer hunting man

 

0:15:14.519,0:15:17.160

they're all about scouting they'll

 

0:15:15.839,0:15:18.839

scouting you know they Scout winter

 

0:15:17.160,0:15:21.540

through spring and start developing

 

0:15:18.839,0:15:23.639

plans uh but it comes to turkey hunting

 

0:15:21.540,0:15:25.800

you know a lot of people look at it as

 

0:15:23.639,0:15:27.360

ah let's just show up and see if they

 

0:15:25.800,0:15:29.100

gobble and see if we can't get on one

 

0:15:27.360,0:15:32.399

and that works I mean heck we do that

 

0:15:29.100,0:15:34.500

too but as far as success man I'm

 

0:15:32.399,0:15:36.720

telling you your scouting is

 

0:15:34.500,0:15:38.760

how you can make or break it in my

 

0:15:36.720,0:15:40.760

opinion and being well I'll say this I'm

 

0:15:38.760,0:15:43.260

being successful on a consistent basis

 

0:15:40.760,0:15:44.940

uh it's probably a better way to put it

 

0:15:43.260,0:15:46.320

and I tell people all the time one of

 

0:15:44.940,0:15:49.019

the things people always talk about is

 

0:15:46.320,0:15:51.779

you know how you call you know what kind

 

0:15:49.019,0:15:54.420

of calls you use and and uh is there

 

0:15:51.779,0:15:56.880

certain you know vocabulary years more

 

0:15:54.420,0:15:58.860

than another with turkeys and if you

 

0:15:56.880,0:16:00.240

want to be a good turkey caller in my in

 

0:15:58.860,0:16:02.459

my opinion

 

0:16:00.240,0:16:04.800

know where a turkey wants to be know

 

0:16:02.459,0:16:08.399

where he wants to go and uh and it makes

 

0:16:04.800,0:16:09.420

your call on so much easier right and

 

0:16:08.399,0:16:11.459

you know

 

0:16:09.420,0:16:13.320

I learned one of the things I learned

 

0:16:11.459,0:16:16.079

years ago and you know you and I talk

 

0:16:13.320,0:16:18.540

about it all the time but

 

0:16:16.079,0:16:20.820

you know the first few years of hunting

 

0:16:18.540,0:16:22.980

you know one well even after I killed a

 

0:16:20.820,0:16:25.019

brother or two it was still a struggle

 

0:16:22.980,0:16:27.180

to kill a turkey you know and and so

 

0:16:25.019,0:16:28.560

before season you start you know going

 

0:16:27.180,0:16:30.720

out in the mornings and listening and

 

0:16:28.560,0:16:32.880

and watching turkeys and you start going

 

0:16:30.720,0:16:34.920

man that bird he goes that field every

 

0:16:32.880,0:16:36.720

morning right you know or he's got up on

 

0:16:34.920,0:16:38.940

that Ridge every morning because he's

 

0:16:36.720,0:16:42.000

not been bumped right and it's like okay

 

0:16:38.940,0:16:43.380

I'm when I scale I'm not gonna go in

 

0:16:42.000,0:16:46.199

there and bother that turkey I'm gonna

 

0:16:43.380,0:16:48.420

stay way back here away from him and uh

 

0:16:46.199,0:16:51.240

and when it comes time Scout from afar

 

0:16:48.420,0:16:53.399

yeah from afar just like you know hey

 

0:16:51.240,0:16:56.220

guys do it out West all the time on big

 

0:16:53.399,0:16:58.440

game animals it's the same Concepts uh

 

0:16:56.220,0:17:00.779

but I'm gonna Scout from afar

 

0:16:58.440,0:17:02.579

and that bird man he really likes that

 

0:17:00.779,0:17:04.140

little corner of that field well I don't

 

0:17:02.579,0:17:05.880

you know and and all of a sudden you

 

0:17:04.140,0:17:06.900

start putting it together and you get in

 

0:17:05.880,0:17:08.220

that corner of that field where that

 

0:17:06.900,0:17:10.740

Bird's comfortable

 

0:17:08.220,0:17:12.179

and man you talk about so much easier to

 

0:17:10.740,0:17:14.339

call him to a spot where he's

 

0:17:12.179,0:17:16.620

comfortable and uses on a regular basis

 

0:17:14.339,0:17:18.480

as opposed to trying to call him 300

 

0:17:16.620,0:17:20.520

yards across that field to a spot that

 

0:17:18.480,0:17:22.500

he usually don't go that's it that's

 

0:17:20.520,0:17:24.059

exactly right you gotta you know get in

 

0:17:22.500,0:17:26.459

there and get the Scout and keep tabs on

 

0:17:24.059,0:17:28.799

work or Birds yeah gobble from where

 

0:17:26.459,0:17:30.840

they Roost at or they gobble from keep

 

0:17:28.799,0:17:32.820

track or they want to fly off the roost

 

0:17:30.840,0:17:35.280

you know waking up in the morning and

 

0:17:32.820,0:17:37.440

time to go be a turkey keep tabs on

 

0:17:35.280,0:17:39.419

where they fly to and then the next

 

0:17:37.440,0:17:41.700

thing is we're you know or them hens and

 

0:17:39.419,0:17:43.620

gobblers like to to

 

0:17:41.700,0:17:46.380

feed up you know walk off to start

 

0:17:43.620,0:17:48.140

feeding uh strut zones all that type of

 

0:17:46.380,0:17:50.940

stuff tie all that stuff together to

 

0:17:48.140,0:17:53.100

really increase your odds on a on a big

 

0:17:50.940,0:17:55.559

old gobbler and you know when something

 

0:17:53.100,0:17:58.260

else John you know we learned over the

 

0:17:55.559,0:18:00.660

years is uh you'd go deer on a farm and

 

0:17:58.260,0:18:02.100

it'd be full of turkeys you know you'd

 

0:18:00.660,0:18:03.840

see turkeys every time you deer on it

 

0:18:02.100,0:18:05.940

yeah well you'd show up in the spring

 

0:18:03.840,0:18:08.160

and there wouldn't be a turkey on the

 

0:18:05.940,0:18:09.360

place and and you think man this place

 

0:18:08.160,0:18:11.580

ought to have turkeys all over it well

 

0:18:09.360,0:18:13.200

you're scouting you know there's Farms

 

0:18:11.580,0:18:15.120

that in the fall will hold Birds but

 

0:18:13.200,0:18:16.860

come spring those birds aren't there

 

0:18:15.120,0:18:17.940

they move off the different because you

 

0:18:16.860,0:18:20.880

know maybe they don't have the nesting

 

0:18:17.940,0:18:22.799

habitat or or even brooding Habitat to

 

0:18:20.880,0:18:25.140

raise their little ones and or the food

 

0:18:22.799,0:18:27.539

sources change that sort of thing and uh

 

0:18:25.140,0:18:29.280

you're scouting guess what it'll say

 

0:18:27.539,0:18:31.559

it'll save you from going to a farm they

 

0:18:29.280,0:18:33.780

ain't got no turkeys oh for sure and

 

0:18:31.559,0:18:35.460

that's when you gotta do the uh I mean

 

0:18:33.780,0:18:37.200

there's nothing wrong with with keeping

 

0:18:35.460,0:18:39.419

tabs on turkeys in the fall and winter

 

0:18:37.200,0:18:41.460

yeah but the bulkier you're scouting for

 

0:18:39.419,0:18:43.140

turkeys needs to happen right now all

 

0:18:41.460,0:18:45.840

right now all the way leading up to

 

0:18:43.140,0:18:48.120

season that's right yeah and just like

 

0:18:45.840,0:18:50.039

just like you said uh putting yourself

 

0:18:48.120,0:18:53.039

in position where a turkey feels

 

0:18:50.039,0:18:57.240

comfortable you can take you can take

 

0:18:53.039,0:19:00.480

this the best turkey collar on the

 

0:18:57.240,0:19:02.100

planet whoever won nationals and the

 

0:19:00.480,0:19:03.840

world championships this year put them

 

0:19:02.100,0:19:06.179

into Walmart parking lot

 

0:19:03.840,0:19:08.520

and then take a sorry turkey collar that

 

0:19:06.179,0:19:10.500

can barely squeak and Squawk on a mouth

 

0:19:08.520,0:19:13.140

die for him and put them right in the

 

0:19:10.500,0:19:15.600

spot where a bird likes to a strut zone

 

0:19:13.140,0:19:16.919

or they like to fly off to guess who's

 

0:19:15.600,0:19:19.919

gonna have the better chance killing a

 

0:19:16.919,0:19:21.840

bird that's right he's going that that

 

0:19:19.919,0:19:23.580

sorry collar is going to look like uh

 

0:19:21.840,0:19:25.919

going to look like a pro in the world

 

0:19:23.580,0:19:28.200

champion can't do nothing that's right

 

0:19:25.919,0:19:29.880

and I'll tell you another thing in just

 

0:19:28.200,0:19:32.400

in the last I don't know five or six

 

0:19:29.880,0:19:34.919

years I really started keying in on

 

0:19:32.400,0:19:37.919

while I Scout John and and you know you

 

0:19:34.919,0:19:39.960

have two is so if I got you know if I

 

0:19:37.919,0:19:41.820

got a certain piece of property and I

 

0:19:39.960,0:19:43.440

and I go there and there's two gobblers

 

0:19:41.820,0:19:45.360

you know running together on that

 

0:19:43.440,0:19:47.700

property and every time they see a jake

 

0:19:45.360,0:19:50.640

or another long beard they run them off

 

0:19:47.700,0:19:52.320

I I know those birds are aggressive and

 

0:19:50.640,0:19:55.320

so guess what when I go in there I'm

 

0:19:52.320,0:19:57.179

gonna have me a jack decoy yep because

 

0:19:55.320,0:19:59.100

you you know from your scouting you know

 

0:19:57.179,0:20:00.660

the demeanor of those turkeys right and

 

0:19:59.100,0:20:02.100

it could be the opposite it could be a

 

0:20:00.660,0:20:04.020

lot you might have a piece of property a

 

0:20:02.100,0:20:06.000

long beard that's got ran off and that's

 

0:20:04.020,0:20:08.880

just where he's ended up and he don't

 

0:20:06.000,0:20:10.559

want to fight well guess what you go on

 

0:20:08.880,0:20:13.140

there with just a single hand Leave the

 

0:20:10.559,0:20:14.940

Jack decoy at home that could determine

 

0:20:13.140,0:20:16.860

success on on that turkey and like I

 

0:20:14.940,0:20:18.600

said that's just all from from Scout

 

0:20:16.860,0:20:20.880

it's just learning those turkeys before

 

0:20:18.600,0:20:22.860

season opens up well let's uh let's

 

0:20:20.880,0:20:24.600

let's transition to that since you

 

0:20:22.860,0:20:27.600

brought that up let's talk about uh

 

0:20:24.600,0:20:29.160

decoys you don't talk talk about brands

 

0:20:27.600,0:20:31.140

or nothing like that but tell us what

 

0:20:29.160,0:20:33.000

your decoy spread looks like what's your

 

0:20:31.140,0:20:36.720

decoy setup look like as far as hens

 

0:20:33.000,0:20:38.760

Jakes uh bomb strutters you know tell us

 

0:20:36.720,0:20:41.900

what you like to run

 

0:20:38.760,0:20:41.900

Strutter a whole whole lot

 

0:20:43.679,0:20:49.440

I'm already set up is a jake decoy with

 

0:20:46.980,0:20:51.240

a hen on the ground in front of him and

 

0:20:49.440,0:20:54.480

I've gotten just in the last two to

 

0:20:51.240,0:20:58.799

three years I have a feeding hen as well

 

0:20:54.480,0:21:01.620

and I will take her and and set her I

 

0:20:58.799,0:21:03.780

might set her 20 20 yards just off to

 

0:21:01.620,0:21:06.600

the side off to the side of my spread

 

0:21:03.780,0:21:08.160

and uh you know if you could you know

 

0:21:06.600,0:21:10.140

you can actually go back and watch our

 

0:21:08.160,0:21:11.580

hunts from last year but last year you

 

0:21:10.140,0:21:14.360

know this there was a lot of jokes in

 

0:21:11.580,0:21:16.799

our area yep and two different occasions

 

0:21:14.360,0:21:19.260

turkeys that we called in they came into

 

0:21:16.799,0:21:21.720

our spread but they did not come in and

 

0:21:19.260,0:21:25.320

flog that Jake decoy but they come in

 

0:21:21.720,0:21:27.360

strutting and simply got between that

 

0:21:25.320,0:21:28.799

Jake decoy and that feed to him and just

 

0:21:27.360,0:21:30.900

went over to that feeding hen and

 

0:21:28.799,0:21:32.460

basically I don't know this but in my

 

0:21:30.900,0:21:36.240

head they were just trying to cut that

 

0:21:32.460,0:21:37.679

hen off split her off yeah right so I

 

0:21:36.240,0:21:38.760

think it really made a difference there

 

0:21:37.679,0:21:41.220

but but going back to the original

 

0:21:38.760,0:21:43.320

question uh Jake decoy with a hand

 

0:21:41.220,0:21:45.679

laying uh laying on the ground and that

 

0:21:43.320,0:21:49.919

feeding hen off the side is the primary

 

0:21:45.679,0:21:52.020

uh spread that I use but like I said I'm

 

0:21:49.919,0:21:53.400

not scared to maybe go with just a

 

0:21:52.020,0:21:54.720

single hand and I'll tell you what John

 

0:21:53.400,0:21:57.360

there's been times I've just stuck to

 

0:21:54.720,0:22:00.179

Jake out oh yeah yeah

 

0:21:57.360,0:22:01.559

yeah so and what what Bose talking about

 

0:22:00.179,0:22:03.539

when he's talking about is Jake it's

 

0:22:01.559,0:22:05.760

like a it's like a half strut or

 

0:22:03.539,0:22:08.340

three-quarter strut Jake is what it is

 

0:22:05.760,0:22:11.179

and and me and me and Bo have actually

 

0:22:08.340,0:22:15.299

run that style of spread for years

 

0:22:11.179,0:22:16.980

several years and uh just to reiterate

 

0:22:15.299,0:22:19.200

that you know what we're doing is taking

 

0:22:16.980,0:22:21.120

that half strut three-quarter Jake

 

0:22:19.200,0:22:22.559

and we use it set them pretty close I

 

0:22:21.120,0:22:26.039

don't know if we're lazy or what we

 

0:22:22.559,0:22:28.140

don't take them out yeah 12-15 yards but

 

0:22:26.039,0:22:29.820

we're gonna put that Jake out there and

 

0:22:28.140,0:22:31.320

then we're gonna take a hen like an

 

0:22:29.820,0:22:32.460

upright him but we're not putting a

 

0:22:31.320,0:22:34.200

stake in the ground we're just putting

 

0:22:32.460,0:22:36.360

it in straight on the ground just like

 

0:22:34.200,0:22:39.000

she's she's laid down there ready for

 

0:22:36.360,0:22:40.919

that uh that Jake to breed and then

 

0:22:39.000,0:22:42.600

we're taking just a feeding hen and just

 

0:22:40.919,0:22:45.480

kind of putting it off to the side left

 

0:22:42.600,0:22:47.220

to right just pretty much uh how you

 

0:22:45.480,0:22:49.799

actually place them out there as far as

 

0:22:47.220,0:22:51.900

distance from you angles and where you

 

0:22:49.799,0:22:55.440

put that feeder hen off to the side and

 

0:22:51.900,0:22:57.659

actually how you uh place the Jake

 

0:22:55.440,0:23:00.059

itself has to do with where you've got

 

0:22:57.659,0:23:01.320

that bird Roost to death or your bird is

 

0:23:00.059,0:23:02.640

gobbling at and how he's going to

 

0:23:01.320,0:23:04.799

approach because a lot of times I've

 

0:23:02.640,0:23:06.480

noticed bow and and I know you've

 

0:23:04.799,0:23:08.820

noticed this as well just make sure I'm

 

0:23:06.480,0:23:10.260

right A lot of times if that Bird's

 

0:23:08.820,0:23:12.000

gonna come up there and whoop up on that

 

0:23:10.260,0:23:13.919

Jake he usually comes from the back side

 

0:23:12.000,0:23:15.419

of it he don't come right towards the

 

0:23:13.919,0:23:18.299

head of it he comes towards the tail end

 

0:23:15.419,0:23:19.919

of it you know years ago if you remember

 

0:23:18.299,0:23:21.419

reading you know Heckle used to read

 

0:23:19.919,0:23:22.740

articles and stuff about turkey hunting

 

0:23:21.419,0:23:24.120

and they always talked about how he

 

0:23:22.740,0:23:26.700

would come to the front of it and I'm

 

0:23:24.120,0:23:28.919

and I'm like you so often I see that

 

0:23:26.700,0:23:30.480

bird come up from behind him you're

 

0:23:28.919,0:23:31.860

right and then come in front of but yeah

 

0:23:30.480,0:23:34.020

he'll approaching that back you're

 

0:23:31.860,0:23:36.240

exactly right yeah I actually like to

 

0:23:34.020,0:23:38.700

set that Jake where wherever I think

 

0:23:36.240,0:23:41.340

that Bird's gonna come to I want him to

 

0:23:38.700,0:23:43.320

either see the side profile that Jake or

 

0:23:41.340,0:23:45.360

see the back end of it I don't want to

 

0:23:43.320,0:23:48.240

have to walk make a circle to come

 

0:23:45.360,0:23:49.860

around it yeah yeah and you know one

 

0:23:48.240,0:23:51.179

thing I'll add to that real quick and it

 

0:23:49.860,0:23:52.919

really wasn't to do with your question

 

0:23:51.179,0:23:54.120

but one thing especially if there's

 

0:23:52.919,0:23:56.700

anybody going to listen to sort of new

 

0:23:54.120,0:23:58.919

into turkey hunting uh that feeding hen

 

0:23:56.700,0:24:00.780

something to think about is you know or

 

0:23:58.919,0:24:02.700

this is what I do and you might add

 

0:24:00.780,0:24:04.799

something to it you know I put that

 

0:24:02.700,0:24:05.940

feeding hand off to the side of

 

0:24:04.799,0:24:08.039

depending on if you're right or

 

0:24:05.940,0:24:09.600

left-handed where you can swing to her

 

0:24:08.039,0:24:11.400

you know you don't want to put her to

 

0:24:09.600,0:24:13.980

the side where you can't swing and now

 

0:24:11.400,0:24:15.780

you a bird circles in and you're sort of

 

0:24:13.980,0:24:17.640

you know locked down so think about

 

0:24:15.780,0:24:19.740

whenever you put your decoys out think

 

0:24:17.640,0:24:22.740

about okay I can swing right or I can

 

0:24:19.740,0:24:24.780

swing left so uh it just like again

 

0:24:22.740,0:24:25.980

going back to success that those little

 

0:24:24.780,0:24:27.840

things could really make a difference

 

0:24:25.980,0:24:29.760

and it and throwing one over your

 

0:24:27.840,0:24:31.500

shoulder and not yeah and that that

 

0:24:29.760,0:24:34.559

really has to do you know we're talking

 

0:24:31.500,0:24:36.840

about that type of stuff what it really

 

0:24:34.559,0:24:39.780

has to do with is how many Jakes you got

 

0:24:36.840,0:24:41.580

in your area like Bo said uh let's back

 

0:24:39.780,0:24:43.080

it up two or three years we didn't have

 

0:24:41.580,0:24:45.299

as good a hatches and there wouldn't be

 

0:24:43.080,0:24:47.460

these big group you know I call them

 

0:24:45.299,0:24:49.620

gangs of Jakes you know if you start

 

0:24:47.460,0:24:52.260

getting these groups three four five six

 

0:24:49.620,0:24:53.700

and even bigger groups of Jakes they

 

0:24:52.260,0:24:54.960

they're looking for fights you know

 

0:24:53.700,0:24:56.700

they'll usually run around and they're

 

0:24:54.960,0:24:58.440

whipping up every time it'll gobble or

 

0:24:56.700,0:25:00.960

struts you know they're they're bad news

 

0:24:58.440,0:25:02.820

and so a lot of times when you do have a

 

0:25:00.960,0:25:04.860

lot of Jakes especially these bigger

 

0:25:02.820,0:25:07.140

group of Jakes that are pretty mean

 

0:25:04.860,0:25:09.480

a lot of times you Tom's arna's vocal

 

0:25:07.140,0:25:12.720

and if they do come into a decoy spread

 

0:25:09.480,0:25:14.400

they can be a little iffy with that Jake

 

0:25:12.720,0:25:15.539

you know they're afraid of the rest of

 

0:25:14.400,0:25:16.799

the bunches there and they're gonna get

 

0:25:15.539,0:25:18.000

whooped up on so that's what he's

 

0:25:16.799,0:25:19.740

talking about they'll come in and

 

0:25:18.000,0:25:21.059

they'll actually still come into the

 

0:25:19.740,0:25:22.799

spread but they're not coming in there

 

0:25:21.059,0:25:25.799

to whoop that Jake decoy they're coming

 

0:25:22.799,0:25:27.960

to split off that feeder hand to take

 

0:25:25.799,0:25:29.580

her off somewhere but they're wanting to

 

0:25:27.960,0:25:31.500

cut her out of there and just take her

 

0:25:29.580,0:25:34.020

off and not not have no altercation or

 

0:25:31.500,0:25:35.880

not bring no more attention on it but if

 

0:25:34.020,0:25:37.380

you Jake numbers are low or even if

 

0:25:35.880,0:25:39.659

they're not low you just don't have a

 

0:25:37.380,0:25:41.880

big gang of them on your property that

 

0:25:39.659,0:25:43.740

you're hunting boy on it when that long

 

0:25:41.880,0:25:46.679

beer comes in there he's gonna come he's

 

0:25:43.740,0:25:48.600

gonna put a spur on that Jake decoy he's

 

0:25:46.679,0:25:50.279

going to be biting its head he's going

 

0:25:48.600,0:25:53.760

to be flogging it with these wings I

 

0:25:50.279,0:25:55.140

mean it's a spectacle yes yeah that gets

 

0:25:53.760,0:25:57.659

me excited just thinking about that I

 

0:25:55.140,0:26:00.779

mean hey Bo I don't know how many Toms

 

0:25:57.659,0:26:02.520

we have shot off the top of a jake decoy

 

0:26:00.779,0:26:05.820

I'm talking about standing on a jake

 

0:26:02.520,0:26:07.559

decoy yeah yeah yeah that's what I said

 

0:26:05.820,0:26:09.360

a minute ago I'm telling you that's I

 

0:26:07.559,0:26:10.860

use I don't know 10 years ago I said

 

0:26:09.360,0:26:12.659

there's no way I'd just put a jake out

 

0:26:10.860,0:26:15.659

by myself but a jake decoy can be really

 

0:26:12.659,0:26:18.179

effective if he's right yeah and the

 

0:26:15.659,0:26:20.400

only the only other type of decoy spread

 

0:26:18.179,0:26:23.100

that me and Beau have run in the past

 

0:26:20.400,0:26:24.720

and I you know I still run uh every once

 

0:26:23.100,0:26:27.179

while and it depends on

 

0:26:24.720,0:26:29.340

what type of turkeys I'm hunting whether

 

0:26:27.179,0:26:30.779

it's big if there's groups of times like

 

0:26:29.340,0:26:33.179

there's like a group of three or four

 

0:26:30.779,0:26:34.980

times or single Toms or if there's Jakes

 

0:26:33.179,0:26:37.740

in the area all that stuff kind of play

 

0:26:34.980,0:26:39.779

comes into play but one thing I'll do I

 

0:26:37.740,0:26:42.000

will substitute that half strut

 

0:26:39.779,0:26:44.520

three-quarter strut Jake for a full

 

0:26:42.000,0:26:46.200

Strutter but yeah the thing I do

 

0:26:44.520,0:26:48.659

different than a lot of people does with

 

0:26:46.200,0:26:51.419

the full Strutter my Strutter is

 

0:26:48.659,0:26:53.700

actually still to Jake he's a it's a

 

0:26:51.419,0:26:55.740

jake body it's a it's actually a jake

 

0:26:53.700,0:26:57.600

full struck decoy got it it's a smaller

 

0:26:55.740,0:27:00.000

body decoy it's got a little video

 

0:26:57.600,0:27:02.400

stubby beard sticking out but what I do

 

0:27:00.000,0:27:05.640

different is I don't put a jake fan in

 

0:27:02.400,0:27:08.340

it I still put a full Tom fan in it so

 

0:27:05.640,0:27:10.559

what it what it makes out to be is just

 

0:27:08.340,0:27:14.520

a subordinate Tom it's a little bitty

 

0:27:10.559,0:27:16.320

yeah it's a little bitty body Tom with a

 

0:27:14.520,0:27:18.600

you know good Tail fan and something

 

0:27:16.320,0:27:20.159

about that little setup there usually

 

0:27:18.600,0:27:21.900

drives the turkeys pretty wild and

 

0:27:20.159,0:27:23.760

you're usually shooting a shooting a

 

0:27:21.900,0:27:25.380

gobbler right off the top of him yeah

 

0:27:23.760,0:27:28.500

that and the thing about that the

 

0:27:25.380,0:27:30.000

equipment when it works it works not to

 

0:27:28.500,0:27:32.039

go down up and do a bunch of stories and

 

0:27:30.000,0:27:33.900

all that stuff but man you can't mention

 

0:27:32.039,0:27:36.480

a full Shredder without that me thing

 

0:27:33.900,0:27:38.779

the first thought I have is is Merle

 

0:27:36.480,0:27:41.580

that bird to come running

 

0:27:38.779,0:27:43.380

it was as pretty as I mean you couldn't

 

0:27:41.580,0:27:45.600

draw it up no better and he missed that

 

0:27:43.380,0:27:47.880

turkey I I still laugh at that all the

 

0:27:45.600,0:27:49.620

time yeah he's he's slick missed him

 

0:27:47.880,0:27:51.960

after that bird whooped up on it he got

 

0:27:49.620,0:27:54.299

the he got got the fever that's for sure

 

0:27:51.960,0:27:56.279

but I tell you what my favorite spot to

 

0:27:54.299,0:27:57.900

put them out is when you do have a group

 

0:27:56.279,0:28:01.020

of gobblers you know everybody gets in

 

0:27:57.900,0:28:02.580

those uh I got a single Tom somewhere

 

0:28:01.020,0:28:04.799

I'll usually use the half strut

 

0:28:02.580,0:28:07.919

three-quarter strut Jake but if I've got

 

0:28:04.799,0:28:10.200

a group if it's two three four Birds I'm

 

0:28:07.919,0:28:11.640

gonna put that full Strutter out uh they

 

0:28:10.200,0:28:13.380

usually won't tolerate that they're

 

0:28:11.640,0:28:15.299

going to come you know you still gotta

 

0:28:13.380,0:28:17.100

call that bird in but if you can call

 

0:28:15.299,0:28:18.960

them in or they see that decoy spread

 

0:28:17.100,0:28:21.240

it's over they're going to come look up

 

0:28:18.960,0:28:22.799

on it and one thing it reminds me of is

 

0:28:21.240,0:28:24.960

that second season of strutting in the

 

0:28:22.799,0:28:26.760

Bluegrass on open the morning we'd set

 

0:28:24.960,0:28:27.900

up on four times that we had roosted the

 

0:28:26.760,0:28:30.600

morning before

 

0:28:27.900,0:28:34.559

or the evening before and what happened

 

0:28:30.600,0:28:38.580

you uh we had uh ended up having one Tom

 

0:28:34.559,0:28:40.620

standing on or uh hen that we had on the

 

0:28:38.580,0:28:42.900

ground breeding it and then we had

 

0:28:40.620,0:28:44.940

another Tom standing on uh oh Ricky

 

0:28:42.900,0:28:47.400

Bobby that's what we nicknamed it decoy

 

0:28:44.940,0:28:49.980

I'm standing on top of that on that four

 

0:28:47.400,0:28:51.840

strut decoy yeah that was crazy but like

 

0:28:49.980,0:28:53.520

you said that group of gobblers and it

 

0:28:51.840,0:28:56.039

go back you know goes back to scouting

 

0:28:53.520,0:28:57.179

we knew that those four long Bears ran

 

0:28:56.039,0:28:58.620

in there and when they came in that

 

0:28:57.179,0:29:00.419

filter he ends and there stood that

 

0:28:58.620,0:29:03.179

other Strutter I mean they marched right

 

0:29:00.419,0:29:06.659

to him yeah it was pretty yeah pretty

 

0:29:03.179,0:29:08.279

memorable hunt right there yeah Let's uh

 

0:29:06.659,0:29:10.200

let's go back we talked about the Scout

 

0:29:08.279,0:29:12.299

and we've talked about our decoy spreads

 

0:29:10.200,0:29:14.460

and stuff like that now

 

0:29:12.299,0:29:15.840

you know talking about setting up on

 

0:29:14.460,0:29:17.159

roosted birds there a little bit you

 

0:29:15.840,0:29:18.779

know we just talked about that but what

 

0:29:17.159,0:29:20.399

about what about these pieces of

 

0:29:18.779,0:29:22.440

property that maybe you didn't get to

 

0:29:20.399,0:29:24.299

scout you know a lot of people's got got

 

0:29:22.440,0:29:26.580

a pretty heavy work schedule and they

 

0:29:24.299,0:29:29.039

can't just go out and Scout like some

 

0:29:26.580,0:29:30.299

other people can what about that uh

 

0:29:29.039,0:29:32.279

hunting ground that you haven't made

 

0:29:30.299,0:29:33.779

them Scout too much or just that running

 

0:29:32.279,0:29:36.059

and gunning style hunting you want to

 

0:29:33.779,0:29:37.679

talk about that a little bit yeah no

 

0:29:36.059,0:29:39.659

no because you're right all over work

 

0:29:37.679,0:29:40.940

for Foxpro and get to and get to scout

 

0:29:39.659,0:29:43.080

every day

 

0:29:40.940,0:29:47.640

some of us have to keep the world going

 

0:29:43.080,0:29:49.620

John but as uh you're right you're the

 

0:29:47.640,0:29:51.539

vast majority you know it's hard it's

 

0:29:49.620,0:29:54.240

got a whole lot idiots uh because it

 

0:29:51.539,0:29:55.799

does take time uh and and you know John

 

0:29:54.240,0:29:57.779

even with all the scouting you've done

 

0:29:55.799,0:30:00.059

before you know before season and myself

 

0:29:57.779,0:30:01.559

still you get in the season you you

 

0:30:00.059,0:30:03.000

think hey man we ain't hit that piece of

 

0:30:01.559,0:30:04.260

property let's go try it or you know a

 

0:30:03.000,0:30:05.700

lot of people hunting puppies around

 

0:30:04.260,0:30:08.460

they may strike out on a new piece of

 

0:30:05.700,0:30:10.380

public ground uh well and other things

 

0:30:08.460,0:30:12.899

like if you might do all the scouting in

 

0:30:10.380,0:30:15.659

the world to try to make it all come

 

0:30:12.899,0:30:18.419

together on opening morning and

 

0:30:15.659,0:30:20.520

you know you turkey doesn't cooperate it

 

0:30:18.419,0:30:23.580

though right that's right but you know

 

0:30:20.520,0:30:25.919

hands drag him off Coyote team whatever

 

0:30:23.580,0:30:28.500

happens right and you got to get a plan

 

0:30:25.919,0:30:30.899

that's exactly right so last year you

 

0:30:28.500,0:30:32.520

know I hunted a a piece of property that

 

0:30:30.899,0:30:34.020

I'd never hunted before and actually

 

0:30:32.520,0:30:38.399

didn't get permission to hunt it until

 

0:30:34.020,0:30:40.080

the Sunday before season opened uh and

 

0:30:38.399,0:30:41.460

then like you said that week during work

 

0:30:40.080,0:30:42.899

it was hard to get down there so

 

0:30:41.460,0:30:45.480

literally the first time I ever stepped

 

0:30:42.899,0:30:47.580

foot on it was the day before season and

 

0:30:45.480,0:30:50.039

uh beautiful piece of property like I

 

0:30:47.580,0:30:52.620

said it never scouted it and basically

 

0:30:50.039,0:30:54.899

you know looked at it on a you know from

 

0:30:52.620,0:30:56.640

one of the you know property apps where

 

0:30:54.899,0:31:00.299

you can look at uh you know the lay of

 

0:30:56.640,0:31:02.520

the land look at Google Earth and uh and

 

0:31:00.299,0:31:04.200

notice the different attributes of it

 

0:31:02.520,0:31:06.480

sort of the ridge tops and where a

 

0:31:04.200,0:31:09.179

couple Fields were and and things of

 

0:31:06.480,0:31:11.039

that nature and and as I hunt as I

 

0:31:09.179,0:31:13.080

approached that property John I know I

 

0:31:11.039,0:31:15.000

had an idea it was going to be good so I

 

0:31:13.080,0:31:17.640

did not go in there just guns of Blazing

 

0:31:15.000,0:31:19.140

and running all over the place

 

0:31:17.640,0:31:20.640

started out and hunted it very

 

0:31:19.140,0:31:22.440

conservative

 

0:31:20.640,0:31:24.960

um sort of middle property and just

 

0:31:22.440,0:31:26.760

listen and there was the first didn't

 

0:31:24.960,0:31:28.080

hunt the first day but went down there

 

0:31:26.760,0:31:30.480

the evening and in one of those little

 

0:31:28.080,0:31:33.120

Fields a bird was gobbling so sort of

 

0:31:30.480,0:31:35.640

made note of it and uh went back the

 

0:31:33.120,0:31:36.899

second day and got on some turkeys but

 

0:31:35.640,0:31:39.000

couldn't do nothing with them but again

 

0:31:36.899,0:31:41.159

back in that there was a corner where

 

0:31:39.000,0:31:42.960

there's a little pasture feel and I

 

0:31:41.159,0:31:45.299

heard of bird gobble like two times back

 

0:31:42.960,0:31:47.159

there so now again putting a pattern

 

0:31:45.299,0:31:48.779

together we said hey a couple different

 

0:31:47.159,0:31:50.940

times we've been here back there on that

 

0:31:48.779,0:31:52.919

corner there's a bit of bird Goblin well

 

0:31:50.940,0:31:57.120

this there was this particular property

 

0:31:52.919,0:31:59.100

another individual could hunt it so

 

0:31:57.120,0:32:01.020

went in there to hunting on Monday

 

0:31:59.100,0:32:03.419

morning and the guy drove his truck

 

0:32:01.020,0:32:05.100

across the field literally sitting there

 

0:32:03.419,0:32:08.100

with decoys out and the man drove his

 

0:32:05.100,0:32:09.600

truck across the field okay so he said

 

0:32:08.100,0:32:12.120

all right let's give him a break but

 

0:32:09.600,0:32:14.480

what we did we had another day we

 

0:32:12.120,0:32:17.460

slipped down there middle of the day uh

 

0:32:14.480,0:32:19.679

and said let's go back there let's slip

 

0:32:17.460,0:32:21.659

in to that seat to that little pasture

 

0:32:19.679,0:32:23.580

field let's get back in there and get

 

0:32:21.659,0:32:24.899

set up and we'll just do some blind

 

0:32:23.580,0:32:28.080

calling and we'll see if we can't get

 

0:32:24.899,0:32:30.659

that thing going that bird going and so

 

0:32:28.080,0:32:33.360

as we went in we took our time really

 

0:32:30.659,0:32:35.220

slow uh you know and listening and

 

0:32:33.360,0:32:39.480

watching and was able to sneak into that

 

0:32:35.220,0:32:41.700

pasture field and get set up and uh John

 

0:32:39.480,0:32:44.640

we what we you know rap I don't know I

 

0:32:41.700,0:32:46.919

think I called one time no response

 

0:32:44.640,0:32:50.580

um in about 15 minutes later on his own

 

0:32:46.919,0:32:52.320

bird gobbles on his own nice and and I

 

0:32:50.580,0:32:53.940

said okay so you know I don't know that

 

0:32:52.320,0:32:56.340

he heard us before or maybe he just got

 

0:32:53.940,0:32:59.220

by himself or what's going on but he's

 

0:32:56.340,0:33:02.460

not far called to him I think cut to him

 

0:32:59.220,0:33:04.440

and ran a set of Yelps at him and uh it

 

0:33:02.460,0:33:05.940

was uh you know it was a matter of

 

0:33:04.440,0:33:08.399

minutes and that bird was standing in

 

0:33:05.940,0:33:09.899

front of us on our decoys but but again

 

0:33:08.399,0:33:11.580

it goes back we'd never been on that

 

0:33:09.899,0:33:13.140

property sort of look at it like I said

 

0:33:11.580,0:33:15.720

on Google Earth just look at how the

 

0:33:13.140,0:33:17.220

land laid uh went into it conservative

 

0:33:15.720,0:33:19.140

didn't go running all over the place

 

0:33:17.220,0:33:22.919

didn't go out walking every Ridge Top

 

0:33:19.140,0:33:25.799

you know uh and just sort of scouted as

 

0:33:22.919,0:33:27.539

we hunted to be honest right and uh and

 

0:33:25.799,0:33:29.340

learned it as we went and but like I

 

0:33:27.539,0:33:30.600

said a couple trips in just paying

 

0:33:29.340,0:33:32.760

attention to what that bird was doing

 

0:33:30.600,0:33:36.600

and and had him dead was that a couple

 

0:33:32.760,0:33:38.519

times right so so I'm not I you know I

 

0:33:36.600,0:33:40.799

don't want to say I'm super conservative

 

0:33:38.519,0:33:42.480

turkent I like to move and I like to you

 

0:33:40.799,0:33:44.820

know get after them I don't like to deer

 

0:33:42.480,0:33:46.320

hunt them but but at the same time if I

 

0:33:44.820,0:33:47.640

know I got a piece of property that

 

0:33:46.320,0:33:48.960

could be decent I'm not going to go on

 

0:33:47.640,0:33:51.539

there and ruin it I'm going to take my

 

0:33:48.960,0:33:54.120

time with it right right and you I think

 

0:33:51.539,0:33:56.580

that's a good point doing some scouting

 

0:33:54.120,0:33:59.220

with with maps iconx maps and stuff like

 

0:33:56.580,0:34:01.200

that to help you learn layer the lay of

 

0:33:59.220,0:34:03.240

the land and finding places where you

 

0:34:01.200,0:34:04.860

think turkey like might like to frequent

 

0:34:03.240,0:34:06.720

and it helps you put a plant plan

 

0:34:04.860,0:34:08.820

together uh you get that playing

 

0:34:06.720,0:34:11.280

together you come in and just start you

 

0:34:08.820,0:34:13.619

know come in on the property let out

 

0:34:11.280,0:34:15.659

some Yelps cut at them whatever see if

 

0:34:13.619,0:34:18.359

you can get a bird to strike nothing

 

0:34:15.659,0:34:19.919

happens move however far you think you

 

0:34:18.359,0:34:21.780

can before you need to call again just

 

0:34:19.919,0:34:24.300

see if you can't get one get one going

 

0:34:21.780,0:34:26.220

once you get a bird struck if he's in a

 

0:34:24.300,0:34:28.200

spot that you think you can get on him

 

0:34:26.220,0:34:29.820

pour it to him you know I think it's one

 

0:34:28.200,0:34:31.260

of those things you know if it's just

 

0:34:29.820,0:34:33.540

because you strike a bird doesn't mean

 

0:34:31.260,0:34:35.220

you need to go in there and just if you

 

0:34:33.540,0:34:37.020

know it's not going to work yep don't

 

0:34:35.220,0:34:39.359

pressure you I mean Drive some other

 

0:34:37.020,0:34:41.099

time that's a great point but yeah

 

0:34:39.359,0:34:42.599

running and gunning hunting can be a lot

 

0:34:41.099,0:34:44.760

of fun especially you know there's

 

0:34:42.599,0:34:46.200

nothing better you you go on to us to a

 

0:34:44.760,0:34:48.839

place and say you're you're wanting to

 

0:34:46.200,0:34:50.760

work this Ridge it looks really good and

 

0:34:48.839,0:34:52.440

you you get there on the property and

 

0:34:50.760,0:34:54.540

you let out some calls nothing answers

 

0:34:52.440,0:34:57.480

back you go on in there a few hundred

 

0:34:54.540,0:34:59.280

yards try it again nothing walk another

 

0:34:57.480,0:35:02.160

couple hundred yards

 

0:34:59.280,0:35:03.540

let out a few Yips nothing then you cut

 

0:35:02.160,0:35:04.740

at him get a little bit more serious and

 

0:35:03.540,0:35:05.960

all of a sudden he cuts you off with

 

0:35:04.740,0:35:09.720

that double

 

0:35:05.960,0:35:11.880

yes James on son I mean that's that's a

 

0:35:09.720,0:35:13.380

great feeling right there and that's a

 

0:35:11.880,0:35:15.060

great Point what you do what you just

 

0:35:13.380,0:35:17.640

made because there's a couple things to

 

0:35:15.060,0:35:19.200

that is you know it's it's easy to go to

 

0:35:17.640,0:35:20.940

a property and call one time and nothing

 

0:35:19.200,0:35:22.859

there so I ain't nothing here but like

 

0:35:20.940,0:35:25.260

you said if the property if the land

 

0:35:22.859,0:35:27.420

lays where you can move some

 

0:35:25.260,0:35:29.520

that means simply you don't think it but

 

0:35:27.420,0:35:31.200

you might move 200 yards and it make all

 

0:35:29.520,0:35:32.280

the difference in how that bird hears

 

0:35:31.200,0:35:34.200

you and

 

0:35:32.280,0:35:35.579

who's to say he didn't answer you the

 

0:35:34.200,0:35:38.280

first time with Laya land you just

 

0:35:35.579,0:35:40.200

didn't hear him right uh but but yeah

 

0:35:38.280,0:35:41.460

you know like you said going back to

 

0:35:40.200,0:35:43.740

running and gun and if you take your

 

0:35:41.460,0:35:45.060

time don't be crazy with it uh and

 

0:35:43.740,0:35:48.119

slipping out a ridge like that and

 

0:35:45.060,0:35:49.980

cutting at them uh you can easily strike

 

0:35:48.119,0:35:52.440

a bird and uh

 

0:35:49.980,0:35:53.760

and and having almost run over top of

 

0:35:52.440,0:35:56.160

you but like you said that's a great

 

0:35:53.760,0:35:58.260

point you made about if it's just

 

0:35:56.160,0:35:59.940

because he gobbles does not mean you

 

0:35:58.260,0:36:02.099

have to go in there and try to try to

 

0:35:59.940,0:36:04.140

kill him if his setup's not right don't

 

0:36:02.099,0:36:06.359

ruin it yeah they can they can become so

 

0:36:04.140,0:36:07.740

call Shy call shy so easily there ain't

 

0:36:06.359,0:36:10.200

no seats trying to force something ain't

 

0:36:07.740,0:36:11.339

gonna work that's right well tell us

 

0:36:10.200,0:36:14.280

about uh

 

0:36:11.339,0:36:17.640

not all states allow this but our state

 

0:36:14.280,0:36:19.560

of Kentucky uh you can hunt all day you

 

0:36:17.640,0:36:20.880

can hunt afternoons yeah some places you

 

0:36:19.560,0:36:23.940

can only hunt mornings but for people

 

0:36:20.880,0:36:26.640

that can hunt afternoons uh when you

 

0:36:23.940,0:36:29.000

think about afternoon uh turkey hunting

 

0:36:26.640,0:36:31.560

and you know I've gotten to where I I

 

0:36:29.000,0:36:34.560

really each year I enjoy it a little

 

0:36:31.560,0:36:37.140

more to be honest uh and and don't get

 

0:36:34.560,0:36:38.339

me wrong at daylight I want to be out

 

0:36:37.140,0:36:39.780

there just because I think it's special

 

0:36:38.339,0:36:41.339

just being in the Spring Woods at

 

0:36:39.780,0:36:43.680

daylight when when everything wakes up

 

0:36:41.339,0:36:46.079

and turkeys are gobbling on the lamb uh

 

0:36:43.680,0:36:47.520

but but I've gotten where I really enjoy

 

0:36:46.079,0:36:49.200

the afternoon hunt in the middle of the

 

0:36:47.520,0:36:51.020

afternoon hunting even even the later

 

0:36:49.200,0:36:53.700

you know hunting of the of the evening

 

0:36:51.020,0:36:55.200

uh but one of my favorite times in the

 

0:36:53.700,0:36:56.880

middle of the day especially as our

 

0:36:55.200,0:36:59.280

season progresses and those gobblers

 

0:36:56.880,0:37:01.079

start to lose their hands you take 10 11

 

0:36:59.280,0:37:04.440

o'clock you know they start losing hens

 

0:37:01.079,0:37:05.880

and striking one another day but as far

 

0:37:04.440,0:37:07.740

as you know late afternoon and evening

 

0:37:05.880,0:37:11.040

one of the things I've gotten to wear

 

0:37:07.740,0:37:13.980

the way I hunt that John is and you you

 

0:37:11.040,0:37:16.560

know this uh you might have an area

 

0:37:13.980,0:37:18.060

where a gobbler he flies down with hands

 

0:37:16.560,0:37:19.800

in the woods or something and you can't

 

0:37:18.060,0:37:20.940

do nothing with them but but all of a

 

0:37:19.800,0:37:22.440

sudden you know as you hunt you just

 

0:37:20.940,0:37:24.480

like a couple a couple after bones in a

 

0:37:22.440,0:37:26.339

rower like Holly that bird you know he's

 

0:37:24.480,0:37:30.300

come to that field two or three evenings

 

0:37:26.339,0:37:31.560

in a row now and uh and so basically

 

0:37:30.300,0:37:32.880

especially you get a day with the Sun

 

0:37:31.560,0:37:34.079

out and it's pretty warm they're not

 

0:37:32.880,0:37:36.000

gonna be in the fields you know with it

 

0:37:34.079,0:37:38.339

really warm slipping their middle of the

 

0:37:36.000,0:37:40.560

afternoon whenever you know he's not in

 

0:37:38.339,0:37:43.200

the field and and whether using decoys

 

0:37:40.560,0:37:44.640

or not uh and then that late when that

 

0:37:43.200,0:37:47.339

you know the Shadows start getting in

 

0:37:44.640,0:37:48.839

that field uh it's very common all of a

 

0:37:47.339,0:37:49.980

sudden here all of a sudden he steps in

 

0:37:48.839,0:37:52.079

the field and

 

0:37:49.980,0:37:54.240

and then you can have a great hunt by

 

0:37:52.079,0:37:56.400

you know by hunting late in the day yep

 

0:37:54.240,0:37:59.099

yep you may you made a good point when

 

0:37:56.400,0:38:01.440

it gets when it gets warm in the spring

 

0:37:59.099,0:38:03.480

the sun's beating down them old gobblers

 

0:38:01.440,0:38:06.180

get hot they like to clean the Shadows

 

0:38:03.480,0:38:08.160

to the shade right and and you know

 

0:38:06.180,0:38:09.960

until you know going on that you know

 

0:38:08.160,0:38:11.880

most people know but if you're new to it

 

0:38:09.960,0:38:13.859

you take a rainy day birds are gonna go

 

0:38:11.880,0:38:15.000

to the fields but but the E like you

 

0:38:13.859,0:38:16.140

said going back you know going back to

 

0:38:15.000,0:38:17.339

the original question the afternoon's

 

0:38:16.140,0:38:19.740

evening I've gotten to where I really

 

0:38:17.339,0:38:21.599

enjoy the afternoon and evenings and uh

 

0:38:19.740,0:38:24.480

you know as as we get older I'm not

 

0:38:21.599,0:38:26.880

gonna lie sometimes I really enjoyed

 

0:38:24.480,0:38:29.579

finding a good spot to set up of an

 

0:38:26.880,0:38:31.440

afternoon or an evening and just sit

 

0:38:29.579,0:38:33.300

there and and chill out for a little bit

 

0:38:31.440,0:38:36.359

and call a little and just and just see

 

0:38:33.300,0:38:39.119

what happens right me me personally I do

 

0:38:36.359,0:38:41.820

like afternoon turkey hunting but uh if

 

0:38:39.119,0:38:44.280

it gets too late I'm not the one that

 

0:38:41.820,0:38:46.800

hit those fields after it gets real late

 

0:38:44.280,0:38:49.680

today like what you're talking about

 

0:38:46.800,0:38:52.740

just because my mind starts

 

0:38:49.680,0:38:55.500

transitioning into uh roosting that bird

 

0:38:52.740,0:38:59.099

yeah I can't Roost it but those early

 

0:38:55.500,0:39:01.260

afternoons at Mid afternoons man if you

 

0:38:59.099,0:39:04.619

can get a bird to if you can get a bird

 

0:39:01.260,0:39:06.300

to gobble after lunch yeah if you can

 

0:39:04.619,0:39:08.880

get put this way if you can strike a

 

0:39:06.300,0:39:10.680

bird one gobbles at you and then you

 

0:39:08.880,0:39:13.920

give him just a few seconds there or a

 

0:39:10.680,0:39:15.780

minute or two and you call at him again

 

0:39:13.920,0:39:18.660

kind of heat checking him if that bird

 

0:39:15.780,0:39:21.500

immediately answers you back man it's a

 

0:39:18.660,0:39:24.599

it's a dead Turkey right there

 

0:39:21.500,0:39:27.180

you better get ready yeah

 

0:39:24.599,0:39:29.700

I could you know you're you're exactly

 

0:39:27.180,0:39:31.619

right that I because I agree 100 if he

 

0:39:29.700,0:39:33.300

gets like you need to in my opinion

 

0:39:31.619,0:39:35.760

depending on how many days you got to

 

0:39:33.300,0:39:37.859

hunt and whether you have a place to

 

0:39:35.760,0:39:40.140

yourself there's factors but I'm like

 

0:39:37.859,0:39:43.020

you I go my mind goes to roasting but

 

0:39:40.140,0:39:44.820

you know my mind does go back to a bird

 

0:39:43.020,0:39:46.500

I killed you know the property I used to

 

0:39:44.820,0:39:48.839

be able to hunt behind my house you

 

0:39:46.500,0:39:50.400

remember that that piece big cattle farm

 

0:39:48.839,0:39:54.540

very wide open

 

0:39:50.400,0:39:56.099

uh but it had a bird that used it every

 

0:39:54.540,0:39:58.740

evening I would go back there that bird

 

0:39:56.099,0:40:00.180

was there but in the mornings he would

 

0:39:58.740,0:40:02.339

fly down on the neighbor with those

 

0:40:00.180,0:40:04.440

hands and I couldn't I couldn't hunt the

 

0:40:02.339,0:40:05.880

neighbor's property uh so there was no

 

0:40:04.440,0:40:08.099

sense of me going there and you know

 

0:40:05.880,0:40:11.820

calling that turkey and and getting him

 

0:40:08.099,0:40:13.740

used to my calling uh but so him I said

 

0:40:11.820,0:40:15.660

listen I can't hunt this bird of the of

 

0:40:13.740,0:40:18.359

the morning I have to Honey by the

 

0:40:15.660,0:40:21.300

evening uh and so but basically going

 

0:40:18.359,0:40:22.800

again on scouting that's but you know I

 

0:40:21.300,0:40:24.359

said okay I'm going in and we'd go in

 

0:40:22.800,0:40:26.940

the middle and I went in there one time

 

0:40:24.359,0:40:28.320

middle of the afternoon got set up and

 

0:40:26.940,0:40:30.119

just like clockwork like he'd always

 

0:40:28.320,0:40:32.880

done the evening here they come feeding

 

0:40:30.119,0:40:33.960

over on this cattle pasture and uh you

 

0:40:32.880,0:40:35.940

know as soon as he come in there and he

 

0:40:33.960,0:40:37.980

saw a jack decoy and called to him and

 

0:40:35.940,0:40:40.800

he come running and had him killed but

 

0:40:37.980,0:40:42.180

but uh so there's there's different you

 

0:40:40.800,0:40:44.099

know there's different variables each

 

0:40:42.180,0:40:44.820

piece of property you hunt

 

0:40:44.099,0:40:46.859

um

 

0:40:44.820,0:40:49.380

and an evening hunt could land itself

 

0:40:46.859,0:40:51.960

you know to be the best option for you

 

0:40:49.380,0:40:53.460

so absolutely don't think uh you know

 

0:40:51.960,0:40:54.780

turkeys don't gobble as often in the

 

0:40:53.460,0:40:57.000

evening so I'm not gonna hunt it might

 

0:40:54.780,0:40:58.380

be a it might be the time to kill a bird

 

0:40:57.000,0:41:00.540

on a certain piece of properties yes

 

0:40:58.380,0:41:03.180

that's that's for sure and maybe you

 

0:41:00.540,0:41:04.619

know afternoons and evenings all the

 

0:41:03.180,0:41:06.119

time you got to hunt maybe that's what

 

0:41:04.619,0:41:07.980

it tastes to fill your turkey tags

 

0:41:06.119,0:41:10.200

you're wanting to feel but I will say

 

0:41:07.980,0:41:12.320

one thing I do like killing them in the

 

0:41:10.200,0:41:12.320

morning

 

0:41:13.400,0:41:18.839

I tell you what's one of the best things

 

0:41:15.599,0:41:20.280

about it not you know man there's a lot

 

0:41:18.839,0:41:22.740

of good things about like just here in

 

0:41:20.280,0:41:24.900

the woods come to life and all that type

 

0:41:22.740,0:41:27.079

of stuff but you know I'm a I like to

 

0:41:24.900,0:41:29.700

eat I'm a fan of eat

 

0:41:27.079,0:41:33.540

I like breakfast and there's nothing

 

0:41:29.700,0:41:35.820

better than being say 8 30 9 o'clock

 

0:41:33.540,0:41:38.280

being sitting in a diner one of these

 

0:41:35.820,0:41:40.020

old you know greasy spoon gas stations

 

0:41:38.280,0:41:41.220

down here always serve breakfast be

 

0:41:40.020,0:41:43.260

sitting there in your camo and there's

 

0:41:41.220,0:41:46.200

always that one old timer or maybe two

 

0:41:43.260,0:41:48.660

or three of them boys y'all been out

 

0:41:46.200,0:41:51.300

turkey hunting oh yeah we've been

 

0:41:48.660,0:41:53.760

getting after them hey look it said

 

0:41:51.300,0:41:56.940

y'all out awful early needs to be in

 

0:41:53.760,0:41:59.400

there after him yeah one in the back of

 

0:41:56.940,0:42:02.460

the truck it's time to eat eggs over

 

0:41:59.400,0:42:06.000

easy bacon and toast

 

0:42:02.460,0:42:08.280

right you you're all over it

 

0:42:06.000,0:42:09.839

then you get down by turkey hunt store

 

0:42:08.280,0:42:11.940

you go up there and check them out yeah

 

0:42:09.839,0:42:14.099

I was just part of it you know I I love

 

0:42:11.940,0:42:16.500

everything about that turkey hunting you

 

0:42:14.099,0:42:19.500

know yeah it's uh it's a special season

 

0:42:16.500,0:42:21.660

that's for sure the old timers are fun

 

0:42:19.500,0:42:24.000

but I I don't know that's probably

 

0:42:21.660,0:42:26.040

probably wrong but I even like it too

 

0:42:24.000,0:42:27.720

when you all sudden Here Comes two or

 

0:42:26.040,0:42:30.000

three more in camo and the first thing

 

0:42:27.720,0:42:33.240

they say is oh you can't kill him this

 

0:42:30.000,0:42:35.040

morning can you ain't doing nothing

 

0:42:33.240,0:42:37.200

I don't know we had a pretty good

 

0:42:35.040,0:42:38.880

morning you know so yeah I know what

 

0:42:37.200,0:42:40.980

you're saying it's let me tell you

 

0:42:38.880,0:42:42.900

something it's that because you know how

 

0:42:40.980,0:42:44.220

it is you roast one and you think okay I

 

0:42:42.900,0:42:46.560

think I know what he's going to do and

 

0:42:44.220,0:42:48.000

we're gonna sit up and whenever you get

 

0:42:46.560,0:42:50.280

emotion you're going on next morning he

 

0:42:48.000,0:42:52.380

starts gobbling and that first gobble

 

0:42:50.280,0:42:55.200

when you know he's coming your direction

 

0:42:52.380,0:42:57.180

and you say okay yep yes you know he's

 

0:42:55.200,0:42:59.220

headed our way right off the roost it's

 

0:42:57.180,0:43:01.800

yeah yeah there's definitely uh key

 

0:42:59.220,0:43:03.420

times in turkey hunting yeah that I look

 

0:43:01.800,0:43:05.520

for I've already thought about for the

 

0:43:03.420,0:43:07.740

upcoming season the first one is is

 

0:43:05.520,0:43:09.180

you're sitting there in the in the dark

 

0:43:07.740,0:43:10.859

and

 

0:43:09.180,0:43:13.560

you're starting to see a little bit more

 

0:43:10.859,0:43:15.359

birds start waking up start songbirds

 

0:43:13.560,0:43:17.280

get to chirping and singing and carrying

 

0:43:15.359,0:43:19.680

on and you're sitting there thinking

 

0:43:17.280,0:43:21.599

man I hope I sit up in the right spot I

 

0:43:19.680,0:43:24.420

I know I roosted this birdie should just

 

0:43:21.599,0:43:25.920

be like 100 150 yards 200 yards right

 

0:43:24.420,0:43:27.180

over here to the right I hope he's there

 

0:43:25.920,0:43:28.619

but I don't know and it gets a little

 

0:43:27.180,0:43:30.180

bit more light a little bit more light

 

0:43:28.619,0:43:31.619

birds are still chatter and you're

 

0:43:30.180,0:43:35.160

sitting there thinking

 

0:43:31.619,0:43:36.839

do I treat you up to him do I call man I

 

0:43:35.160,0:43:38.819

wish the crows would get him fired up I

 

0:43:36.839,0:43:40.440

wish I would hoot should I owl who you

 

0:43:38.819,0:43:42.900

know you're starting to get worried and

 

0:43:40.440,0:43:45.079

all sudden yeah yeah just out of the

 

0:43:42.900,0:43:45.079

blue

 

0:43:45.810,0:43:51.180

[Music]

 

0:43:48.680,0:43:52.800

you know it kind of jump starts you get

 

0:43:51.180,0:43:54.720

you you know will spark to your heart

 

0:43:52.800,0:43:56.760

and then the next part is just what you

 

0:43:54.720,0:43:58.680

said when you know that birds get closer

 

0:43:56.760,0:44:00.300

when you answered your call and he's

 

0:43:58.680,0:44:03.300

getting closer every time that's that

 

0:44:00.300,0:44:06.000

next part and I tell you what is on that

 

0:44:03.300,0:44:07.800

Tail fan tip of that Tail fan starts

 

0:44:06.000,0:44:09.300

coming over her eyes or around the

 

0:44:07.800,0:44:10.980

corner you're like

 

0:44:09.300,0:44:14.400

ain't no better siding there right there

 

0:44:10.980,0:44:16.380

the the Tail fan and one it always gets

 

0:44:14.400,0:44:18.900

me is when you see the crown of that

 

0:44:16.380,0:44:21.000

head when it's in the in the woods it is

 

0:44:18.900,0:44:22.800

as wide as a brand new baseball and when

 

0:44:21.000,0:44:24.480

you see that sucker come it's you and

 

0:44:22.800,0:44:26.520

it's just gleaming you know just glowing

 

0:44:24.480,0:44:29.280

in the woods that's

 

0:44:26.520,0:44:30.720

that's always every time I see the first

 

0:44:29.280,0:44:31.980

time each year when I see the crown on

 

0:44:30.720,0:44:34.400

one of his head come through the woods

 

0:44:31.980,0:44:36.720

that's what gets me yeah

 

0:44:34.400,0:44:38.520

well let's move on I got another

 

0:44:36.720,0:44:39.060

question for you here

 

0:44:38.520,0:44:40.859

um

 

0:44:39.060,0:44:42.839

what do you think are some of the

 

0:44:40.859,0:44:45.180

biggest mistakes that you see turkey

 

0:44:42.839,0:44:48.420

hunters make

 

0:44:45.180,0:44:50.640

uh well for one like we've talked about

 

0:44:48.420,0:44:53.579

already a bunch is they don't Scout they

 

0:44:50.640,0:44:57.540

don't put time in before season uh and

 

0:44:53.579,0:44:59.520

the next one is is I just my opinion I

 

0:44:57.540,0:45:02.940

think a lot of turkey hunters ruin their

 

0:44:59.520,0:45:07.200

ground they they over hunt over call

 

0:45:02.940,0:45:09.480

their ground uh right off the bat and

 

0:45:07.200,0:45:11.520

I'm telling you man it don't it if a

 

0:45:09.480,0:45:13.980

turkey isn't bothered

 

0:45:11.520,0:45:16.140

he can respond really good and he's very

 

0:45:13.980,0:45:17.700

killable you let a turkey get a little

 

0:45:16.140,0:45:18.900

bit of pressure on him get bumped once

 

0:45:17.700,0:45:20.720

or twice he turns into a different

 

0:45:18.900,0:45:23.040

animal he just does

 

0:45:20.720,0:45:25.500

and that's one of the biggest things and

 

0:45:23.040,0:45:27.900

two I don't you know John you know this

 

0:45:25.500,0:45:30.000

I mean Heck from the time we started the

 

0:45:27.900,0:45:32.400

the equipment and the gear is

 

0:45:30.000,0:45:33.660

good night it's so much better you look

 

0:45:32.400,0:45:35.220

at decoys

 

0:45:33.660,0:45:37.680

it's you know one of the biggest things

 

0:45:35.220,0:45:40.140

that's changed and and they and they

 

0:45:37.680,0:45:43.200

help so much but I don't think people

 

0:45:40.140,0:45:44.579

realize how good turkeys see right and

 

0:45:43.200,0:45:45.780

people think they can just set up

 

0:45:44.579,0:45:48.480

anywhere

 

0:45:45.780,0:45:50.099

them Birds they if you're if you're out

 

0:45:48.480,0:45:51.960

if they can get your outline your

 

0:45:50.099,0:45:53.640

Skyline a little bit in a finch row or

 

0:45:51.960,0:45:55.800

you you're set up to where that bird

 

0:45:53.640,0:45:57.119

sees you move just a little man it don't

 

0:45:55.800,0:45:59.520

take nothing to get them weary and

 

0:45:57.119,0:46:01.560

nervous and so I I would have to say

 

0:45:59.520,0:46:03.720

over hunting ground and and they're set

 

0:46:01.560,0:46:07.260

up not being hit in their setups right

 

0:46:03.720,0:46:09.119

yeah I totally agree with you and I

 

0:46:07.260,0:46:10.740

think probably the biggest the biggest

 

0:46:09.119,0:46:12.359

thing is and you know some people don't

 

0:46:10.740,0:46:14.460

have as much ground as others to hunt

 

0:46:12.359,0:46:16.200

especially if you just got one place to

 

0:46:14.460,0:46:18.359

hunt you kind of Gotta Throw all your

 

0:46:16.200,0:46:20.520

eggs in one basket but man

 

0:46:18.359,0:46:22.800

we've talked about it earlier if you get

 

0:46:20.520,0:46:23.760

on a bird and you know it's not going to

 

0:46:22.800,0:46:26.400

work out

 

0:46:23.760,0:46:28.020

don't keep hammering I think that's a I

 

0:46:26.400,0:46:29.040

think that's the number one thing is

 

0:46:28.020,0:46:31.560

being

 

0:46:29.040,0:46:35.339

is doing too much you got to be low

 

0:46:31.560,0:46:37.680

impact it's a it's a short season but at

 

0:46:35.339,0:46:39.540

the same time it's a long season it's a

 

0:46:37.680,0:46:41.220

long season that's right you don't want

 

0:46:39.540,0:46:43.079

to be caught up in that third week hunt

 

0:46:41.220,0:46:44.400

the same bird that you've messed up on

 

0:46:43.079,0:46:46.680

four times

 

0:46:44.400,0:46:48.540

he's heard you run this you know your

 

0:46:46.680,0:46:51.000

slate call for three weeks now that's

 

0:46:48.540,0:46:52.859

right he knows that he is

 

0:46:51.000,0:46:56.099

tell you something else you know that

 

0:46:52.859,0:46:59.460

you and I have seen when uh

 

0:46:56.099,0:47:01.140

we've hunted with other people and you

 

0:46:59.460,0:47:03.359

know you might go up and say you haven't

 

0:47:01.140,0:47:05.940

even called yet you walk in a field and

 

0:47:03.359,0:47:07.619

you just walk up on a gobbler and a hen

 

0:47:05.940,0:47:08.700

or something you bump them out of the

 

0:47:07.619,0:47:10.619

field

 

0:47:08.700,0:47:12.000

don't don't go up there and start

 

0:47:10.619,0:47:13.619

calling

 

0:47:12.000,0:47:16.500

you know what I mean because because

 

0:47:13.619,0:47:19.260

that that that turkey he's not a subject

 

0:47:16.500,0:47:21.060

yeah he's not associating you with with

 

0:47:19.260,0:47:23.040

danger in your turkey calling right then

 

0:47:21.060,0:47:24.300

he doesn't know who he didn't know if

 

0:47:23.040,0:47:27.180

you were you know somebody working on

 

0:47:24.300,0:47:28.800

the power line or the farmer you know he

 

0:47:27.180,0:47:30.240

don't know what you are they're just

 

0:47:28.800,0:47:31.800

going to ease off and probably be fine

 

0:47:30.240,0:47:34.200

but if you as soon as they get bumped

 

0:47:31.800,0:47:36.660

you start calling all of a sudden he

 

0:47:34.200,0:47:39.060

ties that sound he's here into 10 bucks

 

0:47:36.660,0:47:41.460

you know just let them Birds rest and

 

0:47:39.060,0:47:42.780

and by the next morning you can probably

 

0:47:41.460,0:47:44.940

go in there and get on him to be honest

 

0:47:42.780,0:47:46.560

it's like that's that's key I mean

 

0:47:44.940,0:47:47.940

that's that's just being Reckless when

 

0:47:46.560,0:47:50.640

you do that a lot of people don't think

 

0:47:47.940,0:47:52.800

about that yeah but that bird is spooked

 

0:47:50.640,0:47:53.819

if you back out everything's gonna be

 

0:47:52.800,0:47:55.800

all right because they're used to

 

0:47:53.819,0:47:57.359

getting spooked by something daily but

 

0:47:55.800,0:47:59.700

if you go up there and spook them and

 

0:47:57.359,0:48:02.160

that's I still kill him and start

 

0:47:59.700,0:48:04.319

cutting at him and calling yeah you hurt

 

0:48:02.160,0:48:06.240

yourself so bad you don't realize it but

 

0:48:04.319,0:48:08.099

you really hurt yourself when you hurt

 

0:48:06.240,0:48:09.900

yourself exactly right that's that same

 

0:48:08.099,0:48:11.760

thing for coyotes too that's I mean

 

0:48:09.900,0:48:14.280

turkeys and coyotes actually have a lot

 

0:48:11.760,0:48:17.040

in common when it comes to Cotton uh

 

0:48:14.280,0:48:20.280

they they learn quickly on stuff like

 

0:48:17.040,0:48:22.440

that and they become very caution and

 

0:48:20.280,0:48:26.040

when a turkey or a coyote becomes call

 

0:48:22.440,0:48:28.140

Shy they can come very very very hard to

 

0:48:26.040,0:48:30.359

hunt and get killed and sometimes

 

0:48:28.140,0:48:33.060

impossible to get killed when you're

 

0:48:30.359,0:48:34.920

talking about calling them up that's

 

0:48:33.060,0:48:36.300

right I mean and you know going back to

 

0:48:34.920,0:48:38.220

you know and you're right some people

 

0:48:36.300,0:48:39.540

don't have access to a lot of ground and

 

0:48:38.220,0:48:42.359

different things but John yo you

 

0:48:39.540,0:48:43.740

remember when we got into this you know

 

0:48:42.359,0:48:45.660

we didn't have a whole whole lot of

 

0:48:43.740,0:48:47.220

ground to hunt that had turkeys no and

 

0:48:45.660,0:48:48.900

and probably one of the best spots we

 

0:48:47.220,0:48:51.240

had to hunt was a little piece of ground

 

0:48:48.900,0:48:53.880

your grandpa on it what but 32 Acres

 

0:48:51.240,0:48:55.560

that's right and and so that's you know

 

0:48:53.880,0:48:56.760

and really going back to it that's one

 

0:48:55.560,0:48:58.740

of the times I feel like I really

 

0:48:56.760,0:49:00.960

learned how to become a good turkey

 

0:48:58.740,0:49:02.400

hunter because you you start thinking

 

0:49:00.960,0:49:03.660

about just like okay wait a minute now

 

0:49:02.400,0:49:05.940

I've got

 

0:49:03.660,0:49:08.280

you know I've scouted before season I've

 

0:49:05.940,0:49:09.960

got three turkeys I've got two tags but

 

0:49:08.280,0:49:12.660

I've only got three turkeys that I can

 

0:49:09.960,0:49:14.160

legit hunt so I have to be very smart

 

0:49:12.660,0:49:15.660

about this so just because you don't

 

0:49:14.160,0:49:17.520

have a whole lot of ground to hunt

 

0:49:15.660,0:49:20.099

doesn't it just means you have to hunt

 

0:49:17.520,0:49:22.380

smarter in my opinion yeah uh it's easy

 

0:49:20.099,0:49:23.819

to watch shows and stuff and talks about

 

0:49:22.380,0:49:26.160

running and gun and everybody likes to

 

0:49:23.819,0:49:27.780

run and Gun and strike one have him run

 

0:49:26.160,0:49:30.780

over you but if you don't have the land

 

0:49:27.780,0:49:33.180

that that uh you know that that aids in

 

0:49:30.780,0:49:35.339

that don't do it right you know you have

 

0:49:33.180,0:49:37.680

hunt your property's how they need to be

 

0:49:35.339,0:49:39.300

hunted and uh that's a that's a bit like

 

0:49:37.680,0:49:41.099

just going basketball that's a big

 

0:49:39.300,0:49:43.319

difference in success and failure and

 

0:49:41.099,0:49:46.440

and uh and rolling in a spot real quick

 

0:49:43.319,0:49:48.240

I I think that's the reason that uh some

 

0:49:46.440,0:49:49.680

of these public land spots it can be

 

0:49:48.240,0:49:52.440

good for turkey hunting you kind of get

 

0:49:49.680,0:49:54.720

a bad rap is because people being too

 

0:49:52.440,0:49:56.579

Reckless or being too aggressive yeah

 

0:49:54.720,0:49:59.940

you always got your newcomers to the

 

0:49:56.579,0:50:02.579

sports that just make mistakes and man I

 

0:49:59.940,0:50:05.599

make mistakes every year I'm liable to

 

0:50:02.579,0:50:05.599

make some more of this spring I mean

 

0:50:08.300,0:50:12.900

that's how you learn that's you know

 

0:50:10.619,0:50:15.480

it's a reason we know what not to do now

 

0:50:12.900,0:50:17.700

because we made those mistakes yeah yeah

 

0:50:15.480,0:50:18.839

yeah that's good stuff yeah I totally

 

0:50:17.700,0:50:21.300

agree with you I think the biggest

 

0:50:18.839,0:50:23.099

mistake that turkey hunters make myself

 

0:50:21.300,0:50:24.780

is you know you hear people talking

 

0:50:23.099,0:50:27.119

about over calling and this type of

 

0:50:24.780,0:50:29.280

stuff all the time no it's it's trying

 

0:50:27.119,0:50:31.560

to do too much trying to hunt birds when

 

0:50:29.280,0:50:33.480

you know you can't get them killed uh

 

0:50:31.560,0:50:35.579

bumping birds and then calling to them

 

0:50:33.480,0:50:38.760

just that type of stuff being just a

 

0:50:35.579,0:50:41.339

little too extra I guess would say uh

 

0:50:38.760,0:50:44.040

that's right but uh that's good stuff

 

0:50:41.339,0:50:46.079

let me uh be quiet about running out of

 

0:50:44.040,0:50:48.180

time here we've been on here quite a

 

0:50:46.079,0:50:49.559

quite a while it's easy to get uh deep

 

0:50:48.180,0:50:51.240

into a podcast when you're talking about

 

0:50:49.559,0:50:53.339

something you love that's for sure but

 

0:50:51.240,0:50:55.859

uh yeah I sit here and talk to you all

 

0:50:53.339,0:50:57.300

day about turkey well I'm going I want

 

0:50:55.859,0:50:58.440

to talk to you about turkey calls a

 

0:50:57.300,0:51:02.339

little bit I just got a question for you

 

0:50:58.440,0:51:03.660

out here yeah we're winding down

 

0:51:02.339,0:51:06.540

you know you've been running some Fox

 

0:51:03.660,0:51:11.220

Pro calls for last yep five years I

 

0:51:06.540,0:51:13.760

guess uh what you if say if I put a

 

0:51:11.220,0:51:15.900

challenge out there to you

 

0:51:13.760,0:51:17.880

this year for strutting in the Bluegrass

 

0:51:15.900,0:51:19.380

you can only take three calls out there

 

0:51:17.880,0:51:22.140

with you I'm talking about I'm not

 

0:51:19.380,0:51:25.200

talking about a combo pack and another

 

0:51:22.140,0:51:27.300

combo I'm talking about individual calls

 

0:51:25.200,0:51:28.680

if you can go if turkey season was

 

0:51:27.300,0:51:31.559

coming in in the morning you was gonna

 

0:51:28.680,0:51:34.440

go out there and hunt what three calls

 

0:51:31.559,0:51:37.380

are you taking with you well I would say

 

0:51:34.440,0:51:38.520

it's hard but I I feel pretty certain I

 

0:51:37.380,0:51:42.480

know which ones I would take to be

 

0:51:38.520,0:51:46.020

honest there's uh two two diaphragms one

 

0:51:42.480,0:51:47.819

is uh it's called a wide v-cut uh ever

 

0:51:46.020,0:51:49.500

since you started running it's one of

 

0:51:47.819,0:51:51.720

the ghost fur I think it's out of ghost

 

0:51:49.500,0:51:53.880

spur combo package a wide V cut really

 

0:51:51.720,0:51:56.819

really like that call and then there's a

 

0:51:53.880,0:51:59.280

v-cut slash I think is what it's called

 

0:51:56.819,0:52:01.380

um that's another diaphragm that I found

 

0:51:59.280,0:52:04.020

that I really love and then I'm taking

 

0:52:01.380,0:52:05.760

one friction call and it's actually the

 

0:52:04.020,0:52:07.920

that honey pot and it's actually glass

 

0:52:05.760,0:52:09.599

with a little [ __ ] you flip it over and

 

0:52:07.920,0:52:13.040

it's got a little slight surface the

 

0:52:09.599,0:52:14.940

Bittersweet the Bittersweet but in that

 

0:52:13.040,0:52:16.920

you know I guess because they've only

 

0:52:14.940,0:52:19.859

got three so I'm combining you know two

 

0:52:16.920,0:52:22.079

there I guess but that that glass I can

 

0:52:19.859,0:52:23.940

you know it's it's super clear you can

 

0:52:22.079,0:52:25.260

get a very clear note it cuts good and

 

0:52:23.940,0:52:27.119

then like I said you flip it over and

 

0:52:25.260,0:52:29.579

you got that little slake Circle it's a

 

0:52:27.119,0:52:33.300

two in one yeah for clucks and purse

 

0:52:29.579,0:52:35.579

tree Yelps uh but yeah no it's it's like

 

0:52:33.300,0:52:37.260

I said uh you know there's different you

 

0:52:35.579,0:52:38.880

know there's still other calls of theirs

 

0:52:37.260,0:52:40.140

I really like but those three if I was

 

0:52:38.880,0:52:41.579

just taking three I would say it would

 

0:52:40.140,0:52:44.280

be those three right there those two

 

0:52:41.579,0:52:45.660

diaphragms in a Bittersweet well yep you

 

0:52:44.280,0:52:48.119

still got all kinds of room in your

 

0:52:45.660,0:52:49.800

turkey vest there so I'm gonna give you

 

0:52:48.119,0:52:53.339

one more option you get to take a fourth

 

0:52:49.800,0:52:58.140

one What's it gonna be oh good night

 

0:52:53.339,0:52:59.460

you know I love diaphragms uh mouths

 

0:52:58.140,0:53:01.260

um

 

0:52:59.460,0:53:03.599

and you've put me on the spot now I

 

0:53:01.260,0:53:05.579

can't remember the name of this one it's

 

0:53:03.599,0:53:08.460

the it's it's the white it's the white

 

0:53:05.579,0:53:09.839

with the orange latex it's a little

 

0:53:08.460,0:53:13.380

combo cut

 

0:53:09.839,0:53:16.440

oh the the with the white tape

 

0:53:13.380,0:53:19.079

no it's a yeah yeah white tape but it's

 

0:53:16.440,0:53:20.280

got orange latex as the as the as with

 

0:53:19.079,0:53:22.920

the Reed with the cut in it yeah it's

 

0:53:20.280,0:53:24.800

like a cutter style call yes smaller

 

0:53:22.920,0:53:29.280

type yeah yeah

 

0:53:24.800,0:53:31.619

that's a really really nice uh diaphragm

 

0:53:29.280,0:53:33.960

air for sure it uh definitely want to

 

0:53:31.619,0:53:36.839

definitely one of my favorites that that

 

0:53:33.960,0:53:38.579

combo pack has got three diaphragms in

 

0:53:36.839,0:53:40.740

it and they're they look like they're a

 

0:53:38.579,0:53:42.839

small frame but they're actually a

 

0:53:40.740,0:53:46.020

regular frame call but they're smaller

 

0:53:42.839,0:53:47.640

tape the tape's cut down yeah right that

 

0:53:46.020,0:53:49.740

one is one of my like I said whenever

 

0:53:47.640,0:53:52.020

you first gave me three it it was hard

 

0:53:49.740,0:53:53.880

for me not to include it there but but I

 

0:53:52.020,0:53:56.220

I know I wanted a friction call with me

 

0:53:53.880,0:53:58.200

uh but if that was and like I said I

 

0:53:56.220,0:54:00.000

heck I can

 

0:53:58.200,0:54:01.260

and like I said I'm looking at it I can

 

0:54:00.000,0:54:02.940

look at it in my head right now but I

 

0:54:01.260,0:54:04.859

can't remember the exact name of it but

 

0:54:02.940,0:54:06.780

uh but that would be the one I would

 

0:54:04.859,0:54:09.059

tell you man you know and I'll tell you

 

0:54:06.780,0:54:11.220

whenever we started that strut and you

 

0:54:09.059,0:54:13.800

know Foxpro was the you know a sponsor

 

0:54:11.220,0:54:15.540

of it and uh I didn't even know Foxboro

 

0:54:13.800,0:54:18.000

made turkey calls

 

0:54:15.540,0:54:20.040

um and I was no I'm just being honest I

 

0:54:18.000,0:54:22.740

was in order to not to cut you off here

 

0:54:20.040,0:54:26.099

but that combo pack is the hybrid spur

 

0:54:22.740,0:54:28.319

combo package okay that white uh tape

 

0:54:26.099,0:54:30.660

diaphragm we're talking about it I love

 

0:54:28.319,0:54:32.099

that I love that diaphragm but but yeah

 

0:54:30.660,0:54:33.960

so I you know I didn't know anything

 

0:54:32.099,0:54:35.160

about Fox Pro and their turkey calls and

 

0:54:33.960,0:54:36.900

I was a little bit hesitant and I'm

 

0:54:35.160,0:54:39.059

telling I'm telling you I've been more

 

0:54:36.900,0:54:41.520

than impressed uh with their turkey

 

0:54:39.059,0:54:43.500

lineup I really have and the thing with

 

0:54:41.520,0:54:45.540

their diaphragms that has I'm as

 

0:54:43.500,0:54:49.020

impressed with as anything is how well

 

0:54:45.540,0:54:50.760

they hold up yep uh other calls or other

 

0:54:49.020,0:54:52.920

companies I was using I'm telling you I

 

0:54:50.760,0:54:54.359

was having a before season if I had a

 

0:54:52.920,0:54:55.980

certain diaphragm I liked I would buy

 

0:54:54.359,0:54:58.319

three of them because I knew they would

 

0:54:55.980,0:55:01.440

the the latex would tear

 

0:54:58.319,0:55:03.780

and I would have to have more and and

 

0:55:01.440,0:55:06.540

Foxboro it just amazed me at how good

 

0:55:03.780,0:55:08.819

they hold up all year it really it

 

0:55:06.540,0:55:10.559

really has it's a very very they're

 

0:55:08.819,0:55:12.119

they're I don't think they get enough

 

0:55:10.559,0:55:14.520

credit for the for their turkey calls

 

0:55:12.119,0:55:16.500

just because I tell you what it's you

 

0:55:14.520,0:55:18.300

know I see it a lot talk about turkey

 

0:55:16.500,0:55:19.619

season coming up and running Fox Pro

 

0:55:18.300,0:55:21.960

calls and they'll get the question

 

0:55:19.619,0:55:24.420

you're going to use your electronic call

 

0:55:21.960,0:55:26.280

to try to call in turkeys well one thing

 

0:55:24.420,0:55:27.980

is there is a handful of states that do

 

0:55:26.280,0:55:30.839

allow electronic costs

 

0:55:27.980,0:55:32.040

yeah but other than that I'm like you

 

0:55:30.839,0:55:34.619

know hunting here in Kentucky of course

 

0:55:32.040,0:55:36.660

it's it's not legal and the surrounding

 

0:55:34.619,0:55:38.640

states that we hunt but the thing is

 

0:55:36.660,0:55:39.920

like no we're going to use Fox Road

 

0:55:38.640,0:55:42.480

turkey calls

 

0:55:39.920,0:55:45.300

y'all but turkey calls like yeah we got

 

0:55:42.480,0:55:47.579

a full full lineup of diaphragms with

 

0:55:45.300,0:55:50.579

three different combo packs and several

 

0:55:47.579,0:55:52.800

individuals we got a great friction call

 

0:55:50.579,0:55:54.839

line with uh yeah you know with all the

 

0:55:52.800,0:55:56.880

honey pot series we got a slate we got a

 

0:55:54.839,0:55:58.380

crystal we got a glass call like you

 

0:55:56.880,0:56:00.119

said the glass with a slate on the

 

0:55:58.380,0:56:03.119

bottom the Bittersweet and we also got

 

0:56:00.119,0:56:05.220

two box calls that's uh and I'll tell

 

0:56:03.119,0:56:08.579

you my like I said I've said it earlier

 

0:56:05.220,0:56:10.559

my son's 15 so uh this is last year

 

0:56:08.579,0:56:12.720

youth hunting but his mama told him last

 

0:56:10.559,0:56:14.579

year after he killed one he said that

 

0:56:12.720,0:56:16.380

she said that's it she said your daddy's

 

0:56:14.579,0:56:18.540

not calling no more in for you said you

 

0:56:16.380,0:56:21.359

gonna have to learn do it yourself and

 

0:56:18.540,0:56:22.980

uh so he's been practicing and you know

 

0:56:21.359,0:56:25.260

when you go back to ease of use for a

 

0:56:22.980,0:56:26.339

new turkey hunter that I sound like I

 

0:56:25.260,0:56:29.160

don't think you can beat a slight call

 

0:56:26.339,0:56:31.020

no and going back to the fox Pro so he

 

0:56:29.160,0:56:33.540

was you know I put it in his hand a

 

0:56:31.020,0:56:36.119

couple weeks ago he'd never really tried

 

0:56:33.540,0:56:39.059

it much in a matter of minutes yeah he

 

0:56:36.119,0:56:41.220

had a very decent sounding Yelp coming

 

0:56:39.059,0:56:43.200

off that thing so it's uh you know

 

0:56:41.220,0:56:46.440

that's I would say this if I'm a new

 

0:56:43.200,0:56:48.300

turkey hunter I'm that slight cause I

 

0:56:46.440,0:56:50.460

think it sounds realistic and super easy

 

0:56:48.300,0:56:51.960

to use yep and talking about the ball

 

0:56:50.460,0:56:54.000

you know everybody can run a box call

 

0:56:51.960,0:56:55.500

and uh that's uh you know it's your

 

0:56:54.000,0:56:58.200

traditional style box call but it's

 

0:56:55.500,0:56:59.819

actually got a striker stuck up in the

 

0:56:58.200,0:57:01.559

bottom of it there and it's got a piece

 

0:56:59.819,0:57:03.059

of slate it's like a rectangular piece

 

0:57:01.559,0:57:04.740

of slate on the bottom side of the box

 

0:57:03.059,0:57:06.780

and that's called the Counter-Strike

 

0:57:04.740,0:57:09.420

you'll check it out it's pretty pretty

 

0:57:06.780,0:57:11.400

nifty little Boxcar for sure and you

 

0:57:09.420,0:57:13.400

know and I'll tell you not to not to

 

0:57:11.400,0:57:16.920

turn this into you know

 

0:57:13.400,0:57:18.660

but but yeah but but I mean this you

 

0:57:16.920,0:57:21.000

talk about those those friction calls

 

0:57:18.660,0:57:23.700

are quality calls all their money you

 

0:57:21.000,0:57:26.280

you go compare them to some of the other

 

0:57:23.700,0:57:27.920

uh high-end turkey calls and look at

 

0:57:26.280,0:57:31.260

price

 

0:57:27.920,0:57:34.079

is fair price as as you'll find in my

 

0:57:31.260,0:57:35.760

opinion uh I was just uh yesterday at

 

0:57:34.079,0:57:38.040

work a guy was talking to him about

 

0:57:35.760,0:57:39.780

turkey calls and and uh and he was

 

0:57:38.040,0:57:42.660

asking me what I use and like you said

 

0:57:39.780,0:57:44.760

he he knew coyote calls and stuff like

 

0:57:42.660,0:57:46.619

that from Foxboro I said I use Foxpro

 

0:57:44.760,0:57:48.359

calls and so we I got him online he was

 

0:57:46.619,0:57:50.040

looking at me so oh yeah he said he's

 

0:57:48.359,0:57:51.660

that's a lot better price than what he

 

0:57:50.040,0:57:54.540

was looking at you know so I'm like you

 

0:57:51.660,0:57:57.599

know uh for the quality that they are

 

0:57:54.540,0:58:00.359

the very very fair priced hey and that

 

0:57:57.599,0:58:02.460

that call that might be a little bit uh

 

0:58:00.359,0:58:03.480

cheaper than some of these other brands

 

0:58:02.460,0:58:05.819

guess what

 

0:58:03.480,0:58:08.460

it probably won't sound better too right

 

0:58:05.819,0:58:10.680

if you don't you don't believe me you go

 

0:58:08.460,0:58:12.059

listen you go watch all these uh Foxpro

 

0:58:10.680,0:58:14.880

turkey hunts we've been putting out the

 

0:58:12.059,0:58:18.000

last couple years list of the calling

 

0:58:14.880,0:58:19.980

check out the results go watch the last

 

0:58:18.000,0:58:22.140

three seasons of strutting in the

 

0:58:19.980,0:58:24.300

Bluegrass I think the first season we

 

0:58:22.140,0:58:25.800

put what we'll do put four big old Toms

 

0:58:24.300,0:58:28.619

on the ground and next season we put six

 

0:58:25.800,0:58:31.740

or seven y'all put up seven on her last

 

0:58:28.619,0:58:34.260

year I mean you know the things work on

 

0:58:31.740,0:58:35.700

every one of them yeah and you know I

 

0:58:34.260,0:58:37.260

can't remember the exact name of it John

 

0:58:35.700,0:58:38.339

with that first year there's a SL I

 

0:58:37.260,0:58:40.680

still got it down there and I still

 

0:58:38.339,0:58:43.020

snake at my vest every now and then uh

 

0:58:40.680,0:58:44.700

it's a flash Pro slate and on the bottom

 

0:58:43.020,0:58:47.099

it's got the emblem of the turkey skull

 

0:58:44.700,0:58:49.140

and yeah uh that's still one of my

 

0:58:47.099,0:58:51.780

favorites yeah we're still still using

 

0:58:49.140,0:58:54.059

it we discontinued that call it was a

 

0:58:51.780,0:58:55.380

great pot call too I love that thing we

 

0:58:54.059,0:58:57.059

pretty much just went to a different

 

0:58:55.380,0:58:58.619

style pot you know it's made out of

 

0:58:57.059,0:59:01.020

honey locusts it's still the same

 

0:58:58.619,0:59:03.240

material on top the friction material

 

0:59:01.020,0:59:05.460

but we redesigned the pot style and

 

0:59:03.240,0:59:06.960

stuff like that they're uh at Honeypot

 

0:59:05.460,0:59:08.760

series pretty slick it's pretty steady

 

0:59:06.960,0:59:11.520

absolutely

 

0:59:08.760,0:59:12.900

elbow tell us uh tell us where we can

 

0:59:11.520,0:59:14.819

watch strutting in the Bluegrass it's

 

0:59:12.900,0:59:16.079

coming up tell us tell us where we can

 

0:59:14.819,0:59:18.420

watch it before we get off here so

 

0:59:16.079,0:59:20.040

everybody can check you out yeah the

 

0:59:18.420,0:59:22.079

easiest way to do it is you know there's

 

0:59:20.040,0:59:23.819

three three ways uh Kentucky Department

 

0:59:22.079,0:59:26.280

of Fish and wildlife's Facebook page

 

0:59:23.819,0:59:28.680

Instagram or their YouTube channel

 

0:59:26.280,0:59:31.200

that's where uh going back to what we

 

0:59:28.680,0:59:33.660

said earlier first seven days of uh

 

0:59:31.200,0:59:37.559

Kentucky season which starts April 15th

 

0:59:33.660,0:59:39.839

uh each each night we will we will Air

 

0:59:37.559,0:59:42.660

uh that day's action so so it's

 

0:59:39.839,0:59:44.160

basically a live day by day series uh

 

0:59:42.660,0:59:46.079

that we'll be putting out so I would

 

0:59:44.160,0:59:48.480

love for yeah absolutely anybody that

 

0:59:46.079,0:59:50.099

wants to tune in and keep up with us uh

 

0:59:48.480,0:59:51.720

greatly appreciate it and like you said

 

0:59:50.099,0:59:53.460

heck you can go back to their Facebook

 

0:59:51.720,0:59:56.040

page and find videos you can go back and

 

0:59:53.460,0:59:58.500

watch all of them or go on YouTube and

 

0:59:56.040,1:00:01.280

uh and get to this the strutting series

 

0:59:58.500,1:00:04.380

and uh they're all on there yeah

 

1:00:01.280,1:00:06.119

you can go back and watch the last three

 

1:00:04.380,1:00:08.940

seasons a lot of awesome turkey hunting

 

1:00:06.119,1:00:10.859

action on there uh you can go to all the

 

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fox Pro stuff check out our turkey hunts

 

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from the last couple years uh we're on

 

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carbon TV Roku and YouTube

 

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um like I said

 

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Department of Fish and Wildlife

 

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strutting in the Bluegrass brought to

 

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you by Foxpro game call starts April

 

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15th first seven days you're gonna be

 

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able to see some live turkey hunting

 

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action from the Bluegrass State

 

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guarantee you're going to see a lot of

 

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hard gobbling hard strutting big old

 

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Kentucky long beards get to flopping

 

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they'd guarantee it and we hope you guys

 

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have enjoyed this episode and you hope

 

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you join us again right here on the

 

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Foxpro podcast