We've got Josh Kinser from Swagger Bipods on the line. We talk everything from calling in Texas whitetails with the FOXPRO to shooting tips on the Swagger Bipods.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls for
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Ellen again welcome back to the Foxpro
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podcast I'm John Collins and on this
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episode we've got Josh Kinser of swagger
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bipods on the line Josh what's going on
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buddy
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ah we're just you know trying to get
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through the allergy season here in Texas
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we're getting some rain so that's that's
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good we always need that but right it
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sure is making everything Bloom and
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throw out pollen and
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you know this part of Texas it's uh it's
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generally some of the worst for for
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allergens it's just like everybody's
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like oh I'm not allergic to something
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well okay you don't necessarily have to
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be allergic to it but when you're you
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know ingesting pounds and pounds and
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pounds of pollen and dust it just right
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well and you guys you essentially you
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spend time in two different sections of
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Texas so you all got two different deals
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to worry about yeah up here is worse
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where we live like in between San
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Antonio and Austin is
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sort of this belt of uh wonderful rice
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right now right and then uh and then you
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and the family spend a lot of time down
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at deer camp which is down in the uh
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close to Laredo right right and uh we're
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actually getting rain there this morning
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so yep yep what's your temperatures been
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like here lately
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like 50s in the morning
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um you know we we had a high the other
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day that got 91 92 uh you know but most
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of most of it's been like 70s right
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right right low 80s
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that ain't too bad it's been uh we've
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had some 70 degree days here in uh
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Central Kentucky and it was really nice
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shares to be about 68 70 degrees but uh
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this morning it was 38 and it's got cold
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again but I think it's supposed to warm
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back up here in a couple more days but
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you know we're uh we're looking at uh
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spring turkey season to start here in
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just a few weeks but
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you know Josh man you uh we got to spend
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some some time hunting together this
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past December uh doing a little bit of
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deer hunting down your way I appreciate
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you inviting us down there but man we
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had some
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well that's pretty good times deer
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hunting with the fox Pro didn't we
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we did and you know even the time we
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didn't you know necessarily connect I
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mean
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we saw some pretty interesting stuff
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um
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you know calling and rattling wise and
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and just some you know you get to play
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around with gear vocalizations like that
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and see some different things they have
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seen before it's just really cool it is
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it is pretty cool and that's when we
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were hunting it was right uh in the
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middle I don't guess you'd call it the
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middle of the rut than there was it was
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just kind of yeah no the first time we
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we were down there it was like the first
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week of December yep yep and I think
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what happened to us that's usually a
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good pre-group week you you always have
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to watch out that week
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um
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because there are some does that come
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into heat early and they'll sort of seek
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out the the Richer bucks and so they you
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know I have it happens to me all the
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time all that week I'll be rattling and
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all rattling does and right and they're
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they're kind of but I think we had
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something happen this year and I I don't
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know if it was from the drought uh in
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the in the prior spring and summer that
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we had but we had deer come in
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really we I mean I killed a buck uh that
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was vetted down with a doe the week of
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Thanksgiving I I know most people are
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listening to this being like okay so
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what
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right but you gotta remember in South
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Texas where you know you know we're
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we're six weeks behind most of the
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country
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in
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um in Road activity right yes I mean
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most of these people a lot of the guys
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is going to be listening to this are
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thinking well y'all talking about rut in
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December you know a lot of people
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thinking you know first couple weeks of
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November and stuff but it's a little
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later down there in South Texas it's a
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little bit different
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this is kind of like you telling me that
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you killed a buck locked down with a doe
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the you know first week of October or
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second week October or something like
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that right maybe you know maybe not that
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extreme but I'm
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so I I think when you got there we were
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not quite in
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as much of a pre-rut as sort of this
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elongated rut it was like a pre-pre-rut
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yeah it was pretty wild because because
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it was going on and
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um
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you know the interesting thing to me was
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we we had two really really hot days
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and then it just died off
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um we were able to call deer in
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but not they they wouldn't fully commit
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to it but the two days prior the first
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two days man it was it was on and I mean
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we used
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um uh the oh gosh I'm forgetting the
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calls John uh well one thing it was it
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stands out in my mind is really was
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going on you know I've hunted with you
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down there in the past a few years ago a
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couple different times when I came down
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it was I wouldn't say it's dry but most
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of the vegetation had died back and you
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were actually having deer coming to feed
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and that type of stuff when I got there
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this year it was super super green and
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Josh is part of the world down there in
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that South Texas you just don't see deer
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out uh because it's so thick you can't
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see I mean it's just thick nasty
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Mesquite brush and and Cactus and I mean
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what like if you can walk right up
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beside it to what can you see three
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steps inside this stuff you know so yeah
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what was going on was all these deer
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were staying in that thick brush but
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because they are they had so much to eat
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the only thing they was doing was maybe
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having to travel to get water so a lot
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of that road activity was actually
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happening in that thick thick brush and
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we were trying to call them out in
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cinderos and small food plots and well
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we can see them hey exactly and these
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these places you set up for for bait
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sites you know that you would clear out
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what a quarter acre maybe you know these
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smaller areas
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um but you know when we did get to Colin
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we did have uh some pretty Dynamic
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call-ins we just didn't call in exactly
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what we were looking for and and that's
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the cool thing is yes in Texas you can
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use electronic calls for for deer
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hunting to try to call these up and
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there's several States out there that do
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allow this and Texas is definitely one
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of them and what we were using we had
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you know we've got all kinds of
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different uh deer vocalizations grunts
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breeding type sounds
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um you know breeding sequences with
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bucks grunting and those letting out
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bleats and that type of stuff and
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several different rattling sequences and
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uh
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one of the the sounds that we had a lot
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of success with were some of the m m
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sounds or Matt McHugh sounds uh there
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was a particular breeding sequence that
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we had all kinds of responses to
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well in that one um
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you know that I like that one because
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it's kind of It kind of sits the the
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full 3d experience of what what sort of
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happened you know you've got
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we've got some grunting in there you've
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got some tending grunts you've got dough
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like you said it's a whole
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you know experience
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does what is happening when those two
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get together and you know I told you I
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mean after you left we that one of the
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Bucks we were trying to shoot
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um got wounded somewhere yeah badly I've
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called that that deer out he would live
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out to that site
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um I think you and I called him out one
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time where he just kind of limped out
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yeah
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that really nice he's kind of narrow but
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tall tight good good great looking eight
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point I would have I would have bust
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design in when we actually caught him
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out but he had a broke he's busted up
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when we seen him but he he couldn't
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handle it he was hurt
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he knew he couldn't come in all the way
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because he couldn't risk getting into
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another fight because I mean he was he
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was hobbled I mean Olympian doesn't even
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do justice of the way he was doing but I
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mean
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yeah it was like he just couldn't handle
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that one and I that one was probably my
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favorite I know you can't use it every
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single time but uh you know it's true
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when it was working it worked great and
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I actually made two trips down there two
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two Josh the first trip down we hunted
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for like two and a half days maybe three
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days I can't remember for sure but we
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had some call-ins but it was slow but we
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did have some call-ins and we called
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stuff in it was pretty cool to see the
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interaction but there's all just younger
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bucks never caught in a mature buck and
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then I think this was the first morning
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I come back for a second trip what two
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weeks later I think uh yeah and we hit
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back on the 26th of December yeah yeah
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day after Christmas
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family loved that but anyway we'll come
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back down for that second trip we hit it
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just right seemed like uh and I think it
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was the very first morning if you
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remember we actually were look was
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looking for that buck you know because
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we was kind of wanting to get on him
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that first trip down and sure enough
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that first morning it it wasn't that
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within the first hour of shooting light
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it was either the first calling sequence
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or the second calling sequence we let
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off on the Foxpro and uh that bad boy
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just emerged out of that Thicket into
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the food plot and like you said he was
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limping and carrying on and you know he
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was the buck we was looking for but the
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thing was when he come out he was
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missing was it his G3 that he had busted
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off Plum right down at the uh at his at
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his you know his beam and maybe some
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chip something else off too maybe part
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of his Bean was gone too yes yes yeah I
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you know you know for us generally
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speaking what we say is kind of the the
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peak of the rut for us is the 24th
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through like New Year's December 24th
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through New Year like that Christmas
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break
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and you know we see
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a lot of different kinds of you know
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there's a it's a long run for those
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right it's just a little bit different
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than
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uh but I
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I think to me what was the most
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interesting is now you've got to
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understand what I think most people
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listen to this podcast would think of
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you know when you're deer hunting you're
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hunting in somewhat of a canopy I'm not
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saying to everybody but I'm saying a lot
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you know especially for Midwest and the
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other guys and you guys in Kansas
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there's parts were not but that the
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sounds are gonna be held in that canopy
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a lot better
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right so you know you're going to hear
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deer down in a draw going like that so
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not only are we open but we're also I
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mean there's a reason there's windmills
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around us right so it's basically a wind
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farm right around us right yeah so
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sometimes those we don't hear those and
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um some of the sounds I remember uh
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these were the mm sounds yep it's like
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man that sounds really weird I've never
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heard of gears make that sound before
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right and then a real real throaty
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girdle yeah and
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we the first week
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that you were there and the second week
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we we had those deer mimicking that
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sound back to us I've ever I've ever you
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know and stand and we was like like we
0:11:29.579,0:11:33.360
would hunt the first couple hours a day
0:11:31.500,0:11:35.279
like just like use deer hunting and we
0:11:33.360,0:11:36.839
would set her call out there in
0:11:35.279,0:11:38.220
accordance to the wind kind of like how
0:11:36.839,0:11:39.240
you're making coyote stands you know
0:11:38.220,0:11:40.560
where there's blowing left or right
0:11:39.240,0:11:43.680
right to left and all that type of stuff
0:11:40.560,0:11:46.500
uh but we just had to call out there and
0:11:43.680,0:11:48.540
and no hunt the first couple hours and
0:11:46.500,0:11:49.980
just ever what 15 20 minutes Josh
0:11:48.540,0:11:51.600
something like that with that out of
0:11:49.980,0:11:53.760
Colin sequence and if we didn't call
0:11:51.600,0:11:55.140
nothing in after the first two hours
0:11:53.760,0:11:57.240
we'd actually get up and just like
0:11:55.140,0:11:58.860
making coyote stands we'd go to a
0:11:57.240,0:12:00.839
Sendero call for 15 or 20 minutes
0:11:58.860,0:12:02.579
nothing showed we'd pack up and go to
0:12:00.839,0:12:04.740
another spot but I remember the first
0:12:02.579,0:12:07.320
time we started playing sounds
0:12:04.740,0:12:08.579
you know it let out these some of these
0:12:07.320,0:12:10.560
different Grunts and stuff on there
0:12:08.579,0:12:12.360
that's on the fox pros and some of the
0:12:10.560,0:12:13.800
some of them are some of our older
0:12:12.360,0:12:15.480
sounds and some of them are some of the
0:12:13.800,0:12:17.700
mm sounds but I remember let out just
0:12:15.480,0:12:20.100
growing and be like
0:12:17.700,0:12:22.140
you know subscribe look how Josh is over
0:12:20.100,0:12:24.260
just shaking his head like what in the
0:12:22.140,0:12:27.180
world have you man
0:12:24.260,0:12:29.279
nothing and it wouldn't be what 30
0:12:27.180,0:12:31.760
seconds later you'd hear in this thick
0:12:29.279,0:12:34.140
Mesquite brush you'd hear
0:12:31.760,0:12:36.000
coming back out there at you where a
0:12:34.140,0:12:37.440
buck was answering us
0:12:36.000,0:12:40.200
um you know there were several instances
0:12:37.440,0:12:42.360
that we might have not have called A
0:12:40.200,0:12:44.040
Buck in a view but we actually caught a
0:12:42.360,0:12:46.620
buck towards us it just never did break
0:12:44.040,0:12:48.839
break cover but was vocalizing back to
0:12:46.620,0:12:50.459
us I thought that was pretty cool stuff
0:12:48.839,0:12:51.899
yeah
0:12:50.459,0:12:53.940
it was
0:12:51.899,0:12:56.060
one of the first or second interactions
0:12:53.940,0:13:00.260
where we had where that happened
0:12:56.060,0:13:00.260
we actually thought it was a pig
0:13:08.000,0:13:12.240
and it was like a three-year-old Buck
0:13:10.380,0:13:13.740
making that
0:13:12.240,0:13:15.240
um you know he was trying his best to be
0:13:13.740,0:13:18.360
his
0:13:15.240,0:13:22.019
um the throaty and raspy as he possibly
0:13:18.360,0:13:25.139
could but yeah I I um we had a lot of
0:13:22.019,0:13:28.019
success with it this year too
0:13:25.139,0:13:31.019
um you know and I I always talk about
0:13:28.019,0:13:32.880
rattling and calling like he
0:13:31.019,0:13:35.160
you will hear people say well it doesn't
0:13:32.880,0:13:37.139
work for me and it's like well okay I
0:13:35.160,0:13:41.399
use this analogy all the time
0:13:37.139,0:13:45.839
man I love top water fishing love it
0:13:41.399,0:13:48.180
but if if I gave up topwater fishing for
0:13:45.839,0:13:50.880
all the times it didn't work on on you
0:13:48.180,0:13:52.620
know work for me I've given up some of
0:13:50.880,0:13:55.260
my favorite fishing moments in my life
0:13:52.620,0:13:58.019
right and it seems true with rattling
0:13:55.260,0:13:59.459
and calling right so you can go and you
0:13:58.019,0:14:01.920
can beat your head against the wall
0:13:59.459,0:14:03.420
you're just like this is not working and
0:14:01.920,0:14:05.160
then the next day
0:14:03.420,0:14:09.120
it's magic
0:14:05.160,0:14:11.040
and you know it it doesn't always have
0:14:09.120,0:14:13.920
to be like that but but the other thing
0:14:11.040,0:14:17.519
I was thinking of too is like you know
0:14:13.920,0:14:20.519
if I if even if the fish are hitting top
0:14:17.519,0:14:22.079
water right it's a cloudy day everything
0:14:20.519,0:14:25.920
sit perfect
0:14:22.079,0:14:27.720
and and I am throwing my buzzbait in the
0:14:25.920,0:14:32.220
middle of the lake
0:14:27.720,0:14:34.320
versus we're we're bass or you know
0:14:32.220,0:14:36.839
hiding up against cover I'm not going to
0:14:34.320,0:14:39.420
have as much luck and right
0:14:36.839,0:14:40.620
we had some days that were really really
0:14:39.420,0:14:42.540
windy
0:14:40.620,0:14:44.399
and I was thinking about the other day
0:14:42.540,0:14:47.519
we
0:14:44.399,0:14:50.160
have to go sit up to call
0:14:47.519,0:14:52.260
and down the Sendero I don't know it was
0:14:50.160,0:14:55.459
about a half a mile we could see deer
0:14:52.260,0:14:55.459
running around right
0:14:57.019,0:15:00.899
we had the wind in our face we had all
0:14:59.459,0:15:03.959
this stuff that's perfect for calling
0:15:00.899,0:15:05.579
and whatnot but we we rattled we caught
0:15:03.959,0:15:08.220
they they had no idea we were there
0:15:05.579,0:15:09.480
right we got up we moved closer
0:15:08.220,0:15:12.540
I I think
0:15:09.480,0:15:14.100
if I'm not mistaken we we had to get now
0:15:12.540,0:15:15.959
graded you got to understand Not only
0:15:14.100,0:15:18.180
was there wind
0:15:15.959,0:15:19.980
there were three bucks running around a
0:15:18.180,0:15:23.100
Dell there was a lot going on so they
0:15:19.980,0:15:24.959
had their own noises yep but we didn't
0:15:23.100,0:15:27.959
actually get a response from something
0:15:24.959,0:15:29.639
until we got well you crowded up
0:15:27.959,0:15:31.980
I wouldn't say it was 100 yards away
0:15:29.639,0:15:33.120
yeah and another thing we had it going
0:15:31.980,0:15:36.240
on is
0:15:33.120,0:15:38.160
it was us there was the deer and then
0:15:36.240,0:15:39.899
pass the deer was a windmill so we were
0:15:38.160,0:15:41.699
closing in on the windmills too so there
0:15:39.899,0:15:44.399
was windmill noise there but like you
0:15:41.699,0:15:47.160
said like we just we wait for those deer
0:15:44.399,0:15:49.500
to go out of sight we'd pack up and and
0:15:47.160,0:15:51.300
just practically run towards them you
0:15:49.500,0:15:54.060
know gain 100 yards on them and set up
0:15:51.300,0:15:56.519
and call again and then finally we we
0:15:54.060,0:15:57.779
was walking we thought we knew he was
0:15:56.519,0:16:00.540
getting fairly close and all of a sudden
0:15:57.779,0:16:02.399
we heard we heard two bucks fighting we
0:16:00.540,0:16:04.139
could hear antlers crashing together in
0:16:02.399,0:16:06.720
the brush so we actually scrambled and
0:16:04.139,0:16:08.339
set up and we let out a rattling
0:16:06.720,0:16:10.680
sequence of our own and threw out a few
0:16:08.339,0:16:13.440
Grunts and we had a nice five-year-old
0:16:10.680,0:16:15.720
Buck come charging out and he was pan
0:16:13.440,0:16:17.399
remember he was out of breath panting he
0:16:15.720,0:16:20.699
probably just whooped off a buck and was
0:16:17.399,0:16:22.260
coming to whoop us and he really he knew
0:16:20.699,0:16:23.639
he didn't have too much time when he
0:16:22.260,0:16:25.440
didn't see anything there he's like oh
0:16:23.639,0:16:26.940
yeah yeah they come out there of course
0:16:25.440,0:16:28.860
he didn't see a buck so he stood out
0:16:26.940,0:16:30.839
there you know we saw him for probably
0:16:28.860,0:16:33.180
15 20 seconds I mean we had plenty of
0:16:30.839,0:16:35.639
time to to kill him we could have killed
0:16:33.180,0:16:38.519
him four or five times I mean hickey run
0:16:35.639,0:16:40.579
up there within 40 or 50 steps of us uh
0:16:38.519,0:16:44.459
but I mean he was he was mature enough
0:16:40.579,0:16:46.680
uh he just you know we didn't get to uh
0:16:44.459,0:16:48.720
age him quick enough we were looking for
0:16:46.680,0:16:50.220
a nice mature Buck we wanted a five six
0:16:48.720,0:16:51.240
seven year old Buck that's just what we
0:16:50.220,0:16:53.339
was after we was wanting to kill a
0:16:51.240,0:16:55.860
mature buck and uh when he come out
0:16:53.339,0:16:57.660
there it's like oh man I can't tell if
0:16:55.860,0:16:58.920
he's four or five or what then he turns
0:16:57.660,0:17:00.360
and leaves to get in the brush and about
0:16:58.920,0:17:04.020
time he was going in the brush he's like
0:17:00.360,0:17:06.660
oh maybe we should have shot that one
0:17:04.020,0:17:09.120
yeah I I I just I think it's just
0:17:06.660,0:17:11.100
important like you just just because it
0:17:09.120,0:17:13.260
doesn't work for you one time does it
0:17:11.100,0:17:16.679
you know it's
0:17:13.260,0:17:19.140
it's not like coyotes right
0:17:16.679,0:17:21.839
um you know I mean
0:17:19.140,0:17:23.880
even with coyotes you have your dry
0:17:21.839,0:17:25.939
spells right you know yeah I mean they
0:17:23.880,0:17:28.439
can be stalled at any given day really
0:17:25.939,0:17:31.580
but yeah they're always going to come to
0:17:28.439,0:17:35.039
a wounded rapid yeah yeah
0:17:31.580,0:17:35.580
but I I tell you we had
0:17:35.039,0:17:39.480
um
0:17:35.580,0:17:43.260
this is a couple years ago in June
0:17:39.480,0:17:44.940
we did a kind of a work week death Ranch
0:17:43.260,0:17:46.980
where I had a bunch of the Swagger and
0:17:44.940,0:17:49.799
Biggie J team down there and they were
0:17:46.980,0:17:51.539
going to go out and call for coyotes yep
0:17:49.799,0:17:53.580
and so they took the fox Pro out and
0:17:51.539,0:17:56.460
they were you know we had phones on the
0:17:53.580,0:17:59.820
ground at this time yeah remember we're
0:17:56.460,0:18:00.780
six weeks behind everybody so yeah but
0:17:59.820,0:18:04.919
um
0:18:00.780,0:18:06.600
we failed to call it a coyote but we
0:18:04.919,0:18:08.460
called in four does yeah they're
0:18:06.600,0:18:11.640
drinking is ready to stop y'all's lights
0:18:08.460,0:18:13.760
out too probably two of them stomped the
0:18:11.640,0:18:13.760
crap
0:18:16.200,0:18:18.419
um
0:18:16.799,0:18:21.600
you know so
0:18:18.419,0:18:24.240
um it's yeah it just it just depends on
0:18:21.600,0:18:27.539
the the timing and whatnot but I just I
0:18:24.240,0:18:30.539
I there's nothing more fun to me than to
0:18:27.539,0:18:33.240
be able to call deer in and do that and
0:18:30.539,0:18:34.980
I mean anybody who's elk hunted is you
0:18:33.240,0:18:38.059
know that's
0:18:34.980,0:18:40.799
that magical time right yeah
0:18:38.059,0:18:44.220
you got that short time frame with elk
0:18:40.799,0:18:45.240
season and spring turkey season you know
0:18:44.220,0:18:47.900
when they're going to come to the cost
0:18:45.240,0:18:50.460
of the same difference
0:18:47.900,0:18:52.380
is pretty much just a big turkey but
0:18:50.460,0:18:53.400
yeah look a little bit harder to pack
0:18:52.380,0:18:56.780
out
0:18:53.400,0:18:56.780
a little bit
0:18:57.360,0:19:01.200
but all right when we got on that when
0:18:59.340,0:19:03.480
we got on the deer I think we had to be
0:19:01.200,0:19:05.880
close enough to them and we had to have
0:19:03.480,0:19:07.320
the right Buck you know we we called in
0:19:05.880,0:19:08.100
what do you think we caught in a dozen
0:19:07.320,0:19:10.380
bucks
0:19:08.100,0:19:12.419
maybe more I would say I'd say more than
0:19:10.380,0:19:15.480
that if you're counting the ones that
0:19:12.419,0:19:17.220
came in and just vocalized to us oh yeah
0:19:15.480,0:19:19.559
yeah there were several we didn't see
0:19:17.220,0:19:21.600
but well I know we called in Three
0:19:19.559,0:19:24.480
Mature bucks
0:19:21.600,0:19:26.760
that well that that first morning we
0:19:24.480,0:19:28.320
called in I thought a total of seven or
0:19:26.760,0:19:30.000
eight yeah just that first morning yeah
0:19:28.320,0:19:31.799
yeah that's right I forgot all we
0:19:30.000,0:19:34.440
actually called three bucks and one what
0:19:31.799,0:19:36.299
at the same time but yeah we ended up
0:19:34.440,0:19:37.860
didn't we never caught a mature Buck on
0:19:36.299,0:19:41.100
that first trip come back two weeks
0:19:37.860,0:19:43.740
later and in three days we caught in
0:19:41.100,0:19:45.480
Three Mature bucks passed one uh because
0:19:43.740,0:19:46.860
he was busted up you know we just like
0:19:45.480,0:19:48.240
man we ain't killing that deer with him
0:19:46.860,0:19:51.120
busted up like it maybe we can get on
0:19:48.240,0:19:52.799
him next year second mature Buck we
0:19:51.120,0:19:54.240
called up we let him get away from us
0:19:52.799,0:19:56.059
because we didn't get him age quick
0:19:54.240,0:19:59.820
enough and then finally
0:19:56.059,0:20:02.960
we we scored on a what was it thing 21
0:19:59.820,0:20:06.000
or 22 inches wide you big
0:20:02.960,0:20:08.400
yeah yeah he actually come in from the
0:20:06.000,0:20:09.419
right uh you come into the mm breeding
0:20:08.400,0:20:11.640
sequence
0:20:09.419,0:20:13.860
he come in from the right exactly where
0:20:11.640,0:20:15.539
we wasn't expecting and this is this is
0:20:13.860,0:20:17.820
kind of where uh you know we can bring
0:20:15.539,0:20:20.340
Swagger bipods into this mix too we were
0:20:17.820,0:20:22.380
we were on the Swagger bipod qd42s the
0:20:20.340,0:20:24.000
whole time this Buck comes in from the
0:20:22.380,0:20:25.500
right I couldn't tell exactly what it
0:20:24.000,0:20:27.299
was and Josh said oh man that's a big
0:20:25.500,0:20:29.160
wide eight we need to kill that buck so
0:20:27.299,0:20:29.940
I'm I'm adjusting to get back to the
0:20:29.160,0:20:31.799
right
0:20:29.940,0:20:33.840
to get on this buck and all sudden he
0:20:31.799,0:20:35.400
crosses in front of us and gets right in
0:20:33.840,0:20:37.440
front of fox Pro but the thing was we
0:20:35.400,0:20:39.120
had a Mesquite tree right there too he
0:20:37.440,0:20:40.620
stopped righty on the other side of that
0:20:39.120,0:20:42.960
Mesquite tree and was looking for the
0:20:40.620,0:20:45.059
the rotten action that he heard going on
0:20:42.960,0:20:46.679
coming out of that Foxpro and then
0:20:45.059,0:20:48.179
finally come out the other side of it
0:20:46.679,0:20:50.880
and I had to swing back to the left
0:20:48.179,0:20:52.320
before he got back across that uh we had
0:20:50.880,0:20:54.600
a little Sendero cut through there that
0:20:52.320,0:20:56.280
you had some oats and stuff planted in
0:20:54.600,0:20:58.740
as soon as he got out there I hit the
0:20:56.280,0:21:01.140
calling in it got him stopped I swung
0:20:58.740,0:21:02.700
over and was able to pop center punch
0:21:01.140,0:21:04.640
him right in the shoulder drop him right
0:21:02.700,0:21:08.160
in his tracks
0:21:04.640,0:21:10.080
you got to be careful on a a situation
0:21:08.160,0:21:12.980
like that because that buck comes in I
0:21:10.080,0:21:16.200
mean you got to shoot him
0:21:12.980,0:21:17.700
immediately because a doe comes out
0:21:16.200,0:21:19.080
after he's heard something like that oh
0:21:17.700,0:21:23.340
he's going to take off like a streak
0:21:19.080,0:21:26.460
alive now yeah yeah I mean you
0:21:23.340,0:21:28.679
half mile on you in in five seconds yeah
0:21:26.460,0:21:30.720
and so and plus we had milked him we had
0:21:28.679,0:21:32.340
milked him all we could we couldn't see
0:21:30.720,0:21:35.520
him because he stopped him behind that
0:21:32.340,0:21:37.380
uh that Mesquite tree and there was
0:21:35.520,0:21:39.299
another Bush or something but he has
0:21:37.380,0:21:42.840
stood there looking for several seconds
0:21:39.299,0:21:45.419
probably 30 seconds uh you know looking
0:21:42.840,0:21:47.100
for that what that action was that buck
0:21:45.419,0:21:49.080
and doe that was you know in the mm
0:21:47.100,0:21:51.360
breeding sequence and he didn't see
0:21:49.080,0:21:53.039
nothing and he could have just as easily
0:21:51.360,0:21:54.780
walked straight away from us and just
0:21:53.039,0:21:56.100
never got a shot at him or darted back
0:21:54.780,0:21:58.320
to the right where he come from but
0:21:56.100,0:22:00.360
luckily enough he cut to the left where
0:21:58.320,0:22:02.340
we had some open ground like I said we
0:22:00.360,0:22:04.440
we unmuted that call and got him got him
0:22:02.340,0:22:05.880
stopped again swung on him and man it
0:22:04.440,0:22:07.679
was a great hunt I just appreciate you
0:22:05.880,0:22:10.140
having me down it's definitely a hunt I
0:22:07.679,0:22:12.419
will not soon forget that's for sure
0:22:10.140,0:22:14.760
well I absolutely we loved having you
0:22:12.419,0:22:17.460
you know the other thing too uh you go
0:22:14.760,0:22:22.280
back to talking about the rut and you
0:22:17.460,0:22:26.580
know two things to think about one
0:22:22.280,0:22:29.700
uh when we finished uh my daughter and I
0:22:26.580,0:22:32.460
finished cleaning that beer out
0:22:29.700,0:22:34.140
that book did not have an ounce of fat
0:22:32.460,0:22:37.500
okay oh you've been running like crazy
0:22:34.140,0:22:39.000
hadn't he I mean there was nothing and
0:22:37.500,0:22:41.220
you know there was that picture I sent
0:22:39.000,0:22:42.900
you where there's a doe hanging up in
0:22:41.220,0:22:46.380
the cooler right beside it the dose
0:22:42.900,0:22:49.440
covered in fat yeah yep but this guy had
0:22:46.380,0:22:54.179
run himself down he and he also had a
0:22:49.440,0:22:56.580
stab wound in the back of his uh I
0:22:54.179,0:22:58.799
believe it was his left hand yep that
0:22:56.580,0:23:01.440
went pretty damn deep we had to cut
0:22:58.799,0:23:04.380
quite a bit of meat out around it uh
0:23:01.440,0:23:06.299
but I mean I just you know the one that
0:23:04.380,0:23:08.700
my my middle daughter killed this year
0:23:06.299,0:23:09.539
too just absolutely no fat on them and
0:23:08.700,0:23:12.059
so
0:23:09.539,0:23:14.100
you run into that when you have that a
0:23:12.059,0:23:17.700
situation like we had this year where
0:23:14.100,0:23:19.799
the rut kind of dragged on and you had
0:23:17.700,0:23:21.720
um you know last year like I mentioned
0:23:19.799,0:23:23.580
it we had a bit of a drought so I think
0:23:21.720,0:23:25.860
our phone recruitment
0:23:23.580,0:23:27.360
was really really low there were a lot
0:23:25.860,0:23:30.240
of those that
0:23:27.360,0:23:32.940
for one reason or another
0:23:30.240,0:23:35.220
their phones did not survive or they did
0:23:32.940,0:23:37.740
not get worse
0:23:35.220,0:23:39.900
and so I think when that happens
0:23:37.740,0:23:41.520
Nature's Way is like okay here's some
0:23:39.900,0:23:42.780
that are going to come in early and you
0:23:41.520,0:23:43.980
know when they don't get bread they just
0:23:42.780,0:23:45.840
keep coming in
0:23:43.980,0:23:47.760
um for a couple of months right and and
0:23:45.840,0:23:49.620
I'm sure there's other factors that goes
0:23:47.760,0:23:52.500
in that as well you know there is a lot
0:23:49.620,0:23:54.900
of deer there but uh in that that area
0:23:52.500,0:23:57.840
this is this is all low fence stuff guys
0:23:54.900,0:24:00.299
you know this is this is 100 low fence
0:23:57.840,0:24:03.539
you're just out there hunting 100 ferret
0:24:00.299,0:24:04.980
Chase wild deer and the deal is but the
0:24:03.539,0:24:07.559
the areas
0:24:04.980,0:24:09.120
that people hunt there are pretty are
0:24:07.559,0:24:11.580
managed pretty strictly so the
0:24:09.120,0:24:13.740
buck-to-do ratios are excellent for this
0:24:11.580,0:24:15.539
type of hunting and one there's a lot of
0:24:13.740,0:24:17.460
fighting that goes on so that's gonna
0:24:15.539,0:24:19.380
that's gonna work these bucks another
0:24:17.460,0:24:21.179
thing is where the buck to do ratio is
0:24:19.380,0:24:23.880
so tight they've got to work harder to
0:24:21.179,0:24:25.140
to get those right I mean to go you know
0:24:23.880,0:24:26.220
they're constantly searching trying to
0:24:25.140,0:24:28.980
find them
0:24:26.220,0:24:32.159
and so when you when you have a year
0:24:28.980,0:24:34.919
kind of like that happens and we tend to
0:24:32.159,0:24:37.799
see more injuries and more broken
0:24:34.919,0:24:39.840
antlers and the deer are just so run
0:24:37.799,0:24:41.460
down it's just like that just like the
0:24:39.840,0:24:42.720
eight busted up eight pointer we was
0:24:41.460,0:24:46.440
talking about that we was actually after
0:24:42.720,0:24:48.900
when he come out his rack was busted and
0:24:46.440,0:24:50.220
man and you have to answer this have you
0:24:48.900,0:24:51.960
seen him since the season went out
0:24:50.220,0:24:53.460
because he looked rough I mean I was
0:24:51.960,0:24:55.860
almost like should we shoot him just
0:24:53.460,0:24:58.320
because how bad he is because he was
0:24:55.860,0:24:59.640
limping man he was like packing a leg he
0:24:58.320,0:25:01.620
wouldn't even hardly even touch that on
0:24:59.640,0:25:04.440
the ground he was such a horrible shape
0:25:01.620,0:25:06.780
with it we called him in several more
0:25:04.440,0:25:08.580
times and he would just come to that
0:25:06.780,0:25:10.140
back edge of the brush he wouldn't fully
0:25:08.580,0:25:12.120
come out right
0:25:10.140,0:25:14.940
um but had to cut had to come see what
0:25:12.120,0:25:17.520
was going on he couldn't stand it
0:25:14.940,0:25:18.780
um Hattie and I went back there we were
0:25:17.520,0:25:20.159
quail hunting we were just kind of
0:25:18.780,0:25:22.500
walking through the brush trying to jump
0:25:20.159,0:25:25.860
some Quail up and I think we jumped him
0:25:22.500,0:25:28.279
this was this was like into February so
0:25:25.860,0:25:28.279
we're talking
0:25:29.659,0:25:34.140
the whole month of January the whole
0:25:31.740,0:25:36.600
month of February after a few things he
0:25:34.140,0:25:38.400
made to do that time frame surely surely
0:25:36.600,0:25:40.679
he'll he'll make it
0:25:38.400,0:25:42.380
yeah that sounds like I got a target for
0:25:40.679,0:25:44.940
next December
0:25:42.380,0:25:46.380
we had another deer though that that I
0:25:44.940,0:25:49.020
filmed
0:25:46.380,0:25:51.419
um that was hurt real bad
0:25:49.020,0:25:55.320
team limping through and I I thought
0:25:51.419,0:25:59.039
about taking him out but it I never saw
0:25:55.320,0:26:00.600
where his leg was was actually broken
0:25:59.039,0:26:02.940
um you know it wasn't flopping it wasn't
0:26:00.600,0:26:05.039
doing anything but um I filmed him a
0:26:02.940,0:26:07.559
couple of times at the end of the season
0:26:05.039,0:26:10.919
coming in to feed
0:26:07.559,0:26:12.360
um you see that towards the end but
0:26:10.919,0:26:15.480
I I mean
0:26:12.360,0:26:16.980
there was a deer a couple years ago and
0:26:15.480,0:26:19.620
I was telling that sheet was when you
0:26:16.980,0:26:21.600
were down I was with a soup
0:26:19.620,0:26:23.580
he was filming and this two-year-old
0:26:21.600,0:26:25.440
Buck came out I mean his leg was broken
0:26:23.580,0:26:27.600
it looked like in three places it was
0:26:25.440,0:26:29.159
just a noodle and I thought oh God
0:26:27.600,0:26:31.980
oh God I gotta put this guy out of his
0:26:29.159,0:26:33.659
misery and the moment I go to get my you
0:26:31.980,0:26:36.480
know turn around and get on the Swagger
0:26:33.659,0:26:38.340
shooting a dough pops out down the
0:26:36.480,0:26:41.159
pipeline and he sees her he goes
0:26:38.340,0:26:42.960
off-roaded to her just dragging this leg
0:26:41.159,0:26:45.080
swinging up hitting him his legs
0:26:42.960,0:26:48.419
swinging like a limp noodle you know
0:26:45.080,0:26:50.340
it's pretty wild I mean I've seen deer
0:26:48.419,0:26:51.600
you know you find them and you can't
0:26:50.340,0:26:52.799
even tell what in the world's happened
0:26:51.600,0:26:54.779
to him you're like what in the world
0:26:52.799,0:26:56.700
killed this deer and then you see some
0:26:54.779,0:26:58.500
deer it's in that get in bad shape like
0:26:56.700,0:27:00.240
that from fighting or been shot or
0:26:58.500,0:27:01.799
whatever and next thing you know you see
0:27:00.240,0:27:03.960
them The Following season they just
0:27:01.799,0:27:08.059
completely heal up so they're pretty
0:27:03.960,0:27:08.059
pretty resilient animals that's for sure
0:27:10.760,0:27:17.700
way putting fat on
0:27:13.620,0:27:21.720
you know for this this
0:27:17.700,0:27:24.840
two months periods and it's a month long
0:27:21.720,0:27:27.960
and you know just go at it and breathe
0:27:24.840,0:27:31.080
as much as they can and if they live
0:27:27.960,0:27:33.299
do it again next year all right yep yep
0:27:31.080,0:27:35.520
it's uh they're uh they're a cool animal
0:27:33.299,0:27:37.140
I definitely look forward to uh hunting
0:27:35.520,0:27:39.539
them every year and I think I found a
0:27:37.140,0:27:41.700
new a new passion with trying to call
0:27:39.539,0:27:43.799
him in to foxgro too that's a it was
0:27:41.700,0:27:45.539
definitely definitely something you know
0:27:43.799,0:27:47.940
my first year doing that you know I've
0:27:45.539,0:27:49.620
never got to hunt a state well I've
0:27:47.940,0:27:51.779
hunted Texas before but we never did
0:27:49.620,0:27:53.520
incorporate the uh Foxpro trying to call
0:27:51.779,0:27:54.960
them in but it's my first year really
0:27:53.520,0:27:57.120
doing that and I tell you what I'll be
0:27:54.960,0:27:58.860
doing again next season because that
0:27:57.120,0:28:00.720
that's pretty addicting
0:27:58.860,0:28:03.360
that was fun
0:28:00.720,0:28:04.679
yeah and um
0:28:03.360,0:28:05.880
you know there's so many there's
0:28:04.679,0:28:08.880
advantages
0:28:05.880,0:28:10.679
to have just like coyote column right I
0:28:08.880,0:28:12.720
mean there's advantages to having that
0:28:10.679,0:28:15.059
noise coming somewhere else where you're
0:28:12.720,0:28:15.779
not right
0:28:15.059,0:28:19.620
um
0:28:15.779,0:28:21.659
and uh you know to be able to hit that
0:28:19.620,0:28:23.700
and draw all that attention
0:28:21.659,0:28:25.440
to to out there in front of you
0:28:23.700,0:28:27.240
somewhere versus
0:28:25.440,0:28:28.679
right back where you're sitting in your
0:28:27.240,0:28:31.200
tree
0:28:28.679,0:28:33.419
um oh well Josh is like getting that
0:28:31.200,0:28:35.520
buck killed you know that that last hunt
0:28:33.419,0:28:38.340
when we killed it'd be wide eight point
0:28:35.520,0:28:40.080
I think that that call saved us I mean
0:28:38.340,0:28:41.640
because when we let a grunt because we
0:28:40.080,0:28:43.919
had to stop him that buck was leaving
0:28:41.640,0:28:45.059
you know we had to get him you know he
0:28:43.919,0:28:46.559
stood around there forever and couldn't
0:28:45.059,0:28:48.539
find what it was and we couldn't shoot
0:28:46.559,0:28:50.820
him and once he said hey there's no deer
0:28:48.539,0:28:53.100
here I'm moving on when he got up there
0:28:50.820,0:28:54.539
in the open we stopped him with the call
0:28:53.100,0:28:56.880
but the call was out in front of us
0:28:54.539,0:28:59.279
about 30 yards and about 10 yards to the
0:28:56.880,0:29:02.700
right so that call had his attention
0:28:59.279,0:29:04.799
that was allowed us to to swing you know
0:29:02.700,0:29:08.520
swing her gun over to the left the
0:29:04.799,0:29:10.140
Swagger uh the qd42s was set had a 30-06
0:29:08.520,0:29:11.520
we had to swing we had to reposition and
0:29:10.140,0:29:12.779
get on this Buck get him killed and we
0:29:11.520,0:29:14.039
was able to move without him he never
0:29:12.779,0:29:16.020
even looked at us you know he was
0:29:14.039,0:29:19.080
focused in on the call so it saved us I
0:29:16.020,0:29:22.140
really think so well and you know both
0:29:19.080,0:29:23.700
those trips my plan when we were doing
0:29:22.140,0:29:25.140
that because you know we know that
0:29:23.700,0:29:28.679
happens I
0:29:25.140,0:29:31.440
I had Montana decoy those the problem
0:29:28.679,0:29:33.720
was rats chewed through them yeah
0:29:31.440,0:29:35.399
um you know and you don't find that out
0:29:33.720,0:29:38.940
until you go to pull it out you're like
0:29:35.399,0:29:41.220
oh crap man but that's where I really
0:29:38.940,0:29:44.100
like something like you know the
0:29:41.220,0:29:46.020
Montana's are nice and easy either you
0:29:44.100,0:29:48.200
know you're not carrying this huge
0:29:46.020,0:29:50.460
they just you know
0:29:48.200,0:29:52.919
molded plastic animal
0:29:50.460,0:29:54.899
and pop it in and out here but it it
0:29:52.919,0:29:57.179
just gives them that that something to
0:29:54.899,0:29:59.340
look at just for a second right
0:29:57.179,0:30:01.799
um the same sort of idea
0:29:59.340,0:30:06.419
uh that you all have with the decoy that
0:30:01.799,0:30:08.520
spins around and I mean because
0:30:06.419,0:30:11.700
you know when you call a deer into a
0:30:08.520,0:30:13.679
field and they don't see anything
0:30:11.700,0:30:14.760
they're not gonna one they're not gonna
0:30:13.679,0:30:17.159
waste their energy they're not going to
0:30:14.760,0:30:20.419
waste their time they got they got does
0:30:17.159,0:30:24.419
debris they've got property to to defend
0:30:20.419,0:30:25.860
and if they can't see that threat right
0:30:24.419,0:30:27.539
there they're going to move on right
0:30:25.860,0:30:29.039
right
0:30:27.539,0:30:30.240
yeah you know it's different we're
0:30:29.039,0:30:33.779
talking about that happens in a big
0:30:30.240,0:30:37.799
field but that's where our all almost
0:30:33.779,0:30:41.399
all of our uh early season incidents or
0:30:37.799,0:30:44.220
run-ins where we called them in
0:30:41.399,0:30:45.899
they were coming off to The Fringe and
0:30:44.220,0:30:47.399
just staring
0:30:45.899,0:30:50.220
and
0:30:47.399,0:30:51.980
I wish rats had to choose that little
0:30:50.220,0:30:56.299
Decor room
0:30:51.980,0:30:56.299
I'll call John from Montana
0:30:56.600,0:31:00.840
yeah or maybe we need to make it maybe
0:30:58.980,0:31:03.140
Foxpro needs to make a deer decoy we
0:31:00.840,0:31:03.140
didn't come up
0:31:04.159,0:31:09.360
the thing is though when it when it come
0:31:07.260,0:31:10.860
right down to it we you know everything
0:31:09.360,0:31:13.559
worked out just fine I got that buck
0:31:10.860,0:31:14.940
called in got him stopped and we was
0:31:13.559,0:31:16.500
able to swing on him and then it was
0:31:14.940,0:31:18.120
just like second nature getting that
0:31:16.500,0:31:19.440
thing knocked down and you know I think
0:31:18.120,0:31:20.760
it's what we need to talk about here a
0:31:19.440,0:31:22.860
little bit it's kind of that moment of
0:31:20.760,0:31:24.299
truth you know when it when it came up
0:31:22.860,0:31:25.860
we were able to capitalize on it just
0:31:24.299,0:31:27.299
like it was second nature maybe to put a
0:31:25.860,0:31:28.500
great shot on him dropped him right
0:31:27.299,0:31:30.059
there
0:31:28.500,0:31:32.460
um you know that's the thing when a
0:31:30.059,0:31:35.100
hunter puts in at a time and and figures
0:31:32.460,0:31:37.020
out a deer in that situation or in in
0:31:35.100,0:31:40.080
our world where a lot of us guys you
0:31:37.020,0:31:41.340
know here Foxpro and and all the Foxpro
0:31:40.080,0:31:43.320
fans and stuff we're talking about
0:31:41.340,0:31:44.880
coyotes and you know you lay out that
0:31:43.320,0:31:46.980
perfect plan to get on them you get them
0:31:44.880,0:31:49.440
called up you know you've done the
0:31:46.980,0:31:50.940
toughest part getting on the animal uh
0:31:49.440,0:31:52.919
you know all the things left is that
0:31:50.940,0:31:54.360
moment of truth when it's time to you
0:31:52.919,0:31:56.220
know touch one off
0:31:54.360,0:31:57.720
guess what there's a lot of people in
0:31:56.220,0:31:59.640
those situations they go through all
0:31:57.720,0:32:01.919
that work and all that time gets right
0:31:59.640,0:32:05.580
there in that perfect situation and then
0:32:01.919,0:32:06.960
they miss an easy easy shot happens to a
0:32:05.580,0:32:09.539
lot of people I think a lot of it comes
0:32:06.960,0:32:12.000
down to is uh is Trigger Time with their
0:32:09.539,0:32:15.179
firearm you know I think it's extremely
0:32:12.000,0:32:16.980
important to be proficient with your uh
0:32:15.179,0:32:18.360
with your shooting setup your hunting
0:32:16.980,0:32:20.880
set up
0:32:18.360,0:32:22.260
um right right in the you know as we
0:32:20.880,0:32:25.380
used to say the military trainers you
0:32:22.260,0:32:27.059
fight and whatnot and so yeah 100 yards
0:32:25.380,0:32:30.419
is not far when you're sitting on a
0:32:27.059,0:32:33.659
bench right it's it's a layup right
0:32:30.419,0:32:35.279
you're you're matching that out well you
0:32:33.659,0:32:37.799
know I could put myself in a position
0:32:35.279,0:32:40.140
really easily that 100 yards is an
0:32:37.799,0:32:42.620
unmakeable shot if I'm
0:32:40.140,0:32:46.559
standing out of balance
0:32:42.620,0:32:47.399
uh you know no no rest no anything like
0:32:46.559,0:32:50.100
that
0:32:47.399,0:32:51.840
and so that's you know that's always
0:32:50.100,0:32:54.179
kind of a frustrating thing for me when
0:32:51.840,0:32:57.360
we you know over the years of Hosting
0:32:54.179,0:32:58.980
people and it I use the example same
0:32:57.360,0:33:01.080
thing with bow hunting you know we're
0:32:58.980,0:33:03.240
we're sitting down
0:33:01.080,0:33:05.760
in a pop-up blind
0:33:03.240,0:33:08.640
but nobody's practice shooting their bow
0:33:05.760,0:33:11.460
sitting down right and that's different
0:33:08.640,0:33:12.840
than standing up I mean you know that
0:33:11.460,0:33:14.880
first time you pull that bow back and
0:33:12.840,0:33:16.559
you haven't shot it sitting down in a in
0:33:14.880,0:33:19.320
a blind you're like oh goodness this is
0:33:16.559,0:33:20.760
dude well that's not you know not
0:33:19.320,0:33:23.039
practicing and training how you're going
0:33:20.760,0:33:24.240
to shoot in the field is is even more
0:33:23.039,0:33:27.059
and um
0:33:24.240,0:33:28.980
you know I was there was a guy that a
0:33:27.059,0:33:30.659
customer for Swagger that was on the
0:33:28.980,0:33:32.820
other day and he he loves Swagger but he
0:33:30.659,0:33:33.960
was like Hey you know I really got a
0:33:32.820,0:33:35.580
suggestion there's something you could
0:33:33.960,0:33:38.279
do you know when it's when it's really
0:33:35.580,0:33:40.500
cold out and you've got gloves on and a
0:33:38.279,0:33:41.940
coyote runs out and I go to adjust the
0:33:40.500,0:33:43.799
legs
0:33:41.940,0:33:45.480
it's hard for me to do with gloves on
0:33:43.799,0:33:48.260
and I'm like whoa I don't want you to
0:33:45.480,0:33:48.260
adjust the legs
0:33:48.919,0:33:52.620
you don't have to you don't have to
0:33:51.059,0:33:54.600
readjust them
0:33:52.620,0:33:56.760
I don't want you to knows not like like
0:33:54.600,0:33:59.760
that you're just gonna spread the legs
0:33:56.760,0:34:01.919
out like that's the fluidity of it and
0:33:59.760,0:34:03.840
the ability to get on target
0:34:01.919,0:34:07.740
completely
0:34:03.840,0:34:11.220
uh with your eye on the scope
0:34:07.740,0:34:13.080
your eye in the scope on the Target and
0:34:11.220,0:34:14.760
you're adjusting it by simply spreading
0:34:13.080,0:34:17.339
the legs out spreading them back in
0:34:14.760,0:34:21.119
leaning in leaning forward and then
0:34:17.339,0:34:22.220
getting into a position where one you're
0:34:21.119,0:34:25.139
not only
0:34:22.220,0:34:26.460
stationary and stable in the front but
0:34:25.139,0:34:28.800
you're able to get in a position where
0:34:26.460,0:34:30.859
you can tuck that knee under that
0:34:28.800,0:34:32.760
floating elbow and
0:34:30.859,0:34:35.700
right
0:34:32.760,0:34:38.179
that was your target I and that's that's
0:34:35.700,0:34:41.879
huge too you know talking about uh
0:34:38.179,0:34:43.980
practicing from the field I you know I
0:34:41.879,0:34:45.720
think it is so key there's there are so
0:34:43.980,0:34:47.700
many people that that do become
0:34:45.720,0:34:50.760
proficient with their with their rifle
0:34:47.700,0:34:53.099
shooting off a bench uh that type of
0:34:50.760,0:34:55.379
stuff and can just you know stack
0:34:53.099,0:34:57.240
bullets right on top each other you know
0:34:55.379,0:34:58.680
these little one-hole groups well you
0:34:57.240,0:35:00.000
take them out there in the field you
0:34:58.680,0:35:01.560
know they're shooting at 100 yards and
0:35:00.000,0:35:03.359
they might even be ringing steel Plum
0:35:01.560,0:35:04.920
out to a thousand yards but then you
0:35:03.359,0:35:06.720
take them to set them on their butt or
0:35:04.920,0:35:08.580
set them in a chair and put them in a
0:35:06.720,0:35:10.380
hunting situation where a deer big
0:35:08.580,0:35:12.480
rotten Buck comes running out chasing a
0:35:10.380,0:35:15.240
doe or you take them coyote hunting and
0:35:12.480,0:35:18.060
a three pack of coyotes run out and it's
0:35:15.240,0:35:20.160
chaos and you gotta move quick and get
0:35:18.060,0:35:22.500
set up on them and get them shot guess
0:35:20.160,0:35:25.980
what happens that thousand yard steel
0:35:22.500,0:35:28.140
puncher that Precision Rifleman
0:35:25.980,0:35:30.599
turns into a novice pretty quick because
0:35:28.140,0:35:33.359
he has not practiced in a hunting
0:35:30.599,0:35:36.180
situation you have got to practice that
0:35:33.359,0:35:37.140
way it's kind of like taking a Porsche
0:35:36.180,0:35:41.040
out
0:35:37.140,0:35:43.260
or you know what whatever a Mustang or
0:35:41.040,0:35:47.339
whatever the fastest car is right now
0:35:43.260,0:35:48.660
I'm not a muscle workout but you know I
0:35:47.339,0:35:50.280
mean there's there's nobody that's going
0:35:48.660,0:35:52.800
to doubt it I mean well even say a
0:35:50.280,0:35:54.780
Lamborghini Ferrari whatever
0:35:52.800,0:35:58.020
that car is worthless
0:35:54.780,0:35:59.760
on the farm in Kentucky right a reform I
0:35:58.020,0:36:01.800
mean anywhere it's it's absolutely
0:35:59.760,0:36:03.540
worthless so it's it's very similar to
0:36:01.800,0:36:05.520
me that's what Swagger you got to think
0:36:03.540,0:36:07.740
about we did not make that for punching
0:36:05.520,0:36:10.200
steel it's it's made for hunting it's
0:36:07.740,0:36:13.140
made for acquiring targets
0:36:10.200,0:36:16.579
fast and and to
0:36:13.140,0:36:19.800
catch it out and you know I
0:36:16.579,0:36:21.540
my perfect scenario I'd love to be able
0:36:19.800,0:36:24.000
to just lay in the prune and shoot my
0:36:21.540,0:36:27.380
target oh my God that'd be awesome right
0:36:24.000,0:36:30.480
yeah but how often does that work out
0:36:27.380,0:36:32.760
yeah I liked it I'd like to have a nice
0:36:30.480,0:36:35.660
shooting bench set up wherever I'm at
0:36:32.760,0:36:38.940
and maybe sitting a recliner
0:36:35.660,0:36:40.980
I did it when we first started Swagger I
0:36:38.940,0:36:43.619
didn't add campaign it was just like you
0:36:40.980,0:36:46.220
know grass the number one interview of a
0:36:43.619,0:36:49.260
traditional bipod yeah
0:36:46.220,0:36:51.000
and and that's you know so yeah you lay
0:36:49.260,0:36:52.500
down you want to do that but obviously a
0:36:51.000,0:36:55.079
lot of times it's grass or it's brush or
0:36:52.500,0:36:56.940
it's drained it doesn't afford you that
0:36:55.079,0:36:59.160
and
0:36:56.940,0:37:02.820
um you know personally I
0:36:59.160,0:37:05.520
for most situations I prefer is 129.
0:37:02.820,0:37:07.560
because I can go from prone to a seated
0:37:05.520,0:37:09.359
kneeling you know you can't really use
0:37:07.560,0:37:11.339
that as well if you're if you're seated
0:37:09.359,0:37:14.400
in a chair you can tuck it in the legs
0:37:11.339,0:37:15.839
right whatnot but it you know
0:37:14.400,0:37:19.320
um and and
0:37:15.839,0:37:22.260
that's two products that's a bipod and a
0:37:19.320,0:37:25.320
shooting stick all in the same
0:37:22.260,0:37:28.200
right you know little twist of the the
0:37:25.320,0:37:31.440
same package two and one two and one
0:37:28.200,0:37:33.500
pretty much but yeah I
0:37:31.440,0:37:33.500
um
0:37:34.200,0:37:39.420
I I range time is important
0:37:37.500,0:37:42.599
I'm not going to Discount that
0:37:39.420,0:37:45.420
Rain Sound has its place but it it it it
0:37:42.599,0:37:49.020
has more limitations
0:37:45.420,0:37:51.660
like it it you can go to the range every
0:37:49.020,0:37:54.300
day for a week
0:37:51.660,0:37:56.579
it's been three hours a day there
0:37:54.300,0:38:00.060
and that's not that's still not going to
0:37:56.579,0:38:01.380
prepare you for most what any yeah I
0:38:00.060,0:38:03.420
don't know of any coyote situations
0:38:01.380,0:38:05.160
that's really made very you know is
0:38:03.420,0:38:07.320
going to handle your trigger squeeze
0:38:05.160,0:38:09.300
your breathing yeah that's all great you
0:38:07.320,0:38:10.859
know you can confirm your zero you know
0:38:09.300,0:38:12.359
stuff like that but that's pretty much
0:38:10.859,0:38:15.180
where it ends
0:38:12.359,0:38:17.880
but there's there's so much that goes on
0:38:15.180,0:38:19.079
into learning and the muscle memory of
0:38:17.880,0:38:20.760
getting yourself
0:38:19.079,0:38:24.000
into
0:38:20.760,0:38:26.700
a quick stable shooting position to take
0:38:24.000,0:38:27.839
the best shot there's no there's never
0:38:26.700,0:38:29.700
gonna be a perfect shot out there in
0:38:27.839,0:38:31.680
that field but take the best shot at the
0:38:29.700,0:38:35.460
situation that was given to you right
0:38:31.680,0:38:37.560
right and and the way to do that is if
0:38:35.460,0:38:39.540
you're throwing a bad situation you're
0:38:37.560,0:38:41.099
able to get in there quick tuck in get
0:38:39.540,0:38:44.579
that knee under the elbow if you're
0:38:41.099,0:38:46.859
shooting you're firing hand and
0:38:44.579,0:38:48.359
driving that bullet home and putting
0:38:46.859,0:38:50.940
that tag on whatever animal you're
0:38:48.359,0:38:52.859
shooting at exactly and I tell you what
0:38:50.940,0:38:55.260
going back you've heard me say this many
0:38:52.859,0:38:56.940
times about the Swagger stuff Josh that
0:38:55.260,0:38:59.099
you know I've I've always said you know
0:38:56.940,0:39:01.859
hey this stuff right here is made for
0:38:59.099,0:39:03.420
hunting and uh you you brought up some
0:39:01.859,0:39:06.000
traditional you said mentioned something
0:39:03.420,0:39:07.560
about traditional sticks earlier uh I
0:39:06.000,0:39:10.380
actually went on a hunt here recently
0:39:07.560,0:39:13.260
with uh with a with a guy up in Ohio
0:39:10.380,0:39:15.780
really good friend excellent excellent
0:39:13.260,0:39:17.520
coyote Hunter excellent uh Deer Hunter I
0:39:15.780,0:39:19.560
had never used Swagger bipods we got
0:39:17.520,0:39:21.240
that person hey try out these qd42 see
0:39:19.560,0:39:22.920
what you think about them he said yeah
0:39:21.240,0:39:24.480
yeah so I'll try them out and you know
0:39:22.920,0:39:25.859
kind of set them up show them how I like
0:39:24.480,0:39:28.260
to use them and stuff like that and we
0:39:25.859,0:39:30.060
extended one section it was the qd42s we
0:39:28.260,0:39:32.160
extend extended one section completely
0:39:30.060,0:39:34.140
out and then the second section we'd run
0:39:32.160,0:39:35.520
about halfway out I see it right there
0:39:34.140,0:39:37.500
it's going to cover you in every
0:39:35.520,0:39:39.480
situation we'll be in a day from sitting
0:39:37.500,0:39:41.700
right on the ground or sitting up in a
0:39:39.480,0:39:43.020
chair on hillsides whatever we get on
0:39:41.700,0:39:44.160
the first stand and look over at him
0:39:43.020,0:39:46.200
he's playing with them there and stuff
0:39:44.160,0:39:47.940
he's telling really comfortable now
0:39:46.200,0:39:49.260
and I asked myself what do you think so
0:39:47.940,0:39:51.780
I like them it's gonna work out pretty
0:39:49.260,0:39:53.520
good we got on a second stand I looked
0:39:51.780,0:39:55.140
over at him and he's over he's adjusting
0:39:53.520,0:39:57.780
the legs I see him starting to adjusting
0:39:55.140,0:39:59.760
leg length I said hey I said why are you
0:39:57.780,0:40:01.200
needing he said well he said I like to
0:39:59.760,0:40:03.300
be a little bit shorter out here because
0:40:01.200,0:40:04.980
I'm I'm in this situation and actually
0:40:03.300,0:40:07.800
what he done he was set up pretty good
0:40:04.980,0:40:10.140
and we heard a coyote howl that was off
0:40:07.800,0:40:12.540
to her right well he spun to the right
0:40:10.140,0:40:14.880
and when he did he was off level there a
0:40:12.540,0:40:16.320
little bit I said I said you ain't got
0:40:14.880,0:40:17.640
to readjust that leg like I said it
0:40:16.320,0:40:18.900
spread the things out he said well you
0:40:17.640,0:40:20.640
mean spread them out I said let's watch
0:40:18.900,0:40:23.040
them Springs are for I said spread the
0:40:20.640,0:40:24.540
lids that legs out and can it over you
0:40:23.040,0:40:26.640
ain't got to readjust that's the beauty
0:40:24.540,0:40:28.560
of it he said huh he spread that leg out
0:40:26.640,0:40:30.420
and got down on it turned he looked over
0:40:28.560,0:40:31.859
his right shoulder he said I'm digging
0:40:30.420,0:40:34.140
this I like that
0:40:31.859,0:40:36.480
because you know your traditional your
0:40:34.140,0:40:38.099
traditional shooting stick guy has to
0:40:36.480,0:40:41.520
and if they're in different situations
0:40:38.099,0:40:43.260
they don't have no choice they have got
0:40:41.520,0:40:45.960
to adjust her leg length that's the
0:40:43.260,0:40:48.560
beauty of these Swagger bipods man I
0:40:45.960,0:40:53.460
think I may have adjusted my leg length
0:40:48.560,0:40:53.460
twice all of 2022.
0:40:53.940,0:40:58.320
so and I think the only time I did that
0:40:56.040,0:41:01.440
was the to get them all folded up to put
0:40:58.320,0:41:05.160
them in a suitcase get on an airplane
0:41:01.440,0:41:07.260
it's yeah and you see
0:41:05.160,0:41:09.740
what we try to show folks is like hey
0:41:07.260,0:41:09.740
this is
0:41:11.640,0:41:14.880
you know that animal that you get set up
0:41:13.800,0:41:16.859
on if you talk about that tradition
0:41:14.880,0:41:19.260
where you you go and you adjust the legs
0:41:16.859,0:41:21.720
and you get right on it I'm just using
0:41:19.260,0:41:24.660
this as an example and all of a sudden
0:41:21.720,0:41:25.920
that animal either moves or say you're
0:41:24.660,0:41:28.040
going to help you know better health
0:41:25.920,0:41:31.079
comes out
0:41:28.040,0:41:33.240
over here instead of getting in there
0:41:31.079,0:41:35.480
and fiddling with with adjustments you
0:41:33.240,0:41:35.480
just
0:41:35.640,0:41:40.740
I mean you know if you're in a kneeling
0:41:38.640,0:41:44.820
position
0:41:40.740,0:41:47.099
and just move those legs in and out and
0:41:44.820,0:41:48.780
yeah I
0:41:47.099,0:41:50.700
I have
0:41:48.780,0:41:51.900
um you know vegan shadows and things
0:41:50.700,0:41:54.500
like that I can't say every time
0:41:51.900,0:41:54.500
somebody's come up
0:41:56.820,0:42:00.960
you go okay why don't you sit down and
0:41:58.859,0:42:04.079
use it and then they're like oh
0:42:00.960,0:42:05.579
this is awesome right right you're never
0:42:04.079,0:42:10.040
gonna be able to argue with those guys
0:42:05.579,0:42:10.040
like I remember one year we had a guy
0:42:10.380,0:42:15.839
I take a poker table off of my blinds oh
0:42:13.500,0:42:17.040
man I love to pack out with you
0:42:15.839,0:42:19.980
that's
0:42:17.040,0:42:22.460
I I can't reach you on that one buddy
0:42:19.980,0:42:22.460
all right
0:42:23.400,0:42:28.640
but I can say words I'm not serious no
0:42:27.839,0:42:31.020
no no
0:42:28.640,0:42:32.700
I bet you can beat him in some kind of
0:42:31.020,0:42:34.020
Versatility deal put him on a hillside
0:42:32.700,0:42:36.420
somewhere and see how much he likes that
0:42:34.020,0:42:38.220
poker table have him pack it thing
0:42:36.420,0:42:41.060
through the Rockies or from coyote stand
0:42:38.220,0:42:41.060
to Coyote stand
0:42:42.480,0:42:48.720
poker table you can't make that stuff no
0:42:46.040,0:42:50.400
Josh I got a question for you here since
0:42:48.720,0:42:52.619
we're talking about that type of stuff I
0:42:50.400,0:42:54.180
kind of view that as a mistake uh
0:42:52.619,0:42:55.500
somebody want to take a poker table out
0:42:54.180,0:42:57.900
in the field trying to hunt off of it
0:42:55.500,0:42:59.940
what what do you think is probably like
0:42:57.900,0:43:02.160
the number one shooting mistake that you
0:42:59.940,0:43:03.839
see Hunters make I mean because you've
0:43:02.160,0:43:06.240
you know you've done it all you've
0:43:03.839,0:43:07.619
hunted all over the world uh you know
0:43:06.240,0:43:08.819
basically all over the world you've been
0:43:07.619,0:43:10.140
in different countries hun you've been
0:43:08.819,0:43:12.300
in several different hunting camps
0:43:10.140,0:43:13.619
you've been in Deer blinds and coyote
0:43:12.300,0:43:15.420
stands with multiple different people
0:43:13.619,0:43:17.220
what's one of those number one shooting
0:43:15.420,0:43:19.920
mistakes that you see happen pretty
0:43:17.220,0:43:20.880
often from Hunters
0:43:19.920,0:43:23.880
um
0:43:20.880,0:43:25.140
and come a little closer back to your
0:43:23.880,0:43:27.599
phone there we're starting you're seem
0:43:25.140,0:43:29.460
like you're fading away from us oh man
0:43:27.599,0:43:30.180
sorry
0:43:29.460,0:43:33.440
um
0:43:30.180,0:43:33.440
I I would say
0:43:33.839,0:43:40.079
really honestly the one that gets people
0:43:36.839,0:43:41.240
uh is the floating elbow floating elbow
0:43:40.079,0:43:45.599
yes yes
0:43:41.240,0:43:48.540
and we get a little into this
0:43:45.599,0:43:49.859
well that's a close shot I'll just rush
0:43:48.540,0:43:51.420
it
0:43:49.859,0:43:54.060
and
0:43:51.420,0:43:57.119
I mean floating elbows like
0:43:54.060,0:44:00.200
like I've seen more deer missed at 75
0:43:57.119,0:44:00.200
yards from uh
0:44:05.119,0:44:11.760
like it will kick your butt and and
0:44:09.119,0:44:14.460
that's the I mean if you can
0:44:11.760,0:44:18.060
get in some position to get something
0:44:14.460,0:44:20.040
under that elbow and I've showed this a
0:44:18.060,0:44:22.319
lot of times you know even an annealing
0:44:20.040,0:44:24.480
shot if you think about it a lot of
0:44:22.319,0:44:26.640
times if you're right-handed and your
0:44:24.480,0:44:29.339
your trigger hand is going to be
0:44:26.640,0:44:31.560
your right hand I will see people when
0:44:29.339,0:44:33.839
they go to the kneeling shot their left
0:44:31.560,0:44:35.640
knee is what comes up to brace their
0:44:33.839,0:44:38.940
left elbow right
0:44:35.640,0:44:41.940
and and that's I mean yeah that's that's
0:44:38.940,0:44:44.099
better than the standing shot right but
0:44:41.940,0:44:46.920
then having that person flip and bring
0:44:44.099,0:44:49.920
that right knee up being the one that's
0:44:46.920,0:44:51.300
up underneath your firing hand if you're
0:44:49.920,0:44:55.260
right-handed off right if you're
0:44:51.300,0:44:58.079
left-handed is a world of difference and
0:44:55.260,0:45:03.000
if the front of your whether we're
0:44:58.079,0:45:04.319
talking about on a uh a bipod or if
0:45:03.000,0:45:07.260
you're in a hunting blind or whatever
0:45:04.319,0:45:09.839
the front of it is stable and the rest
0:45:07.260,0:45:14.940
of you is not
0:45:09.839,0:45:16.740
it's just a gate right and you know so
0:45:14.940,0:45:18.780
um if we're talking about a prone shot
0:45:16.740,0:45:21.180
where you're shooting down at an extreme
0:45:18.780,0:45:22.140
angle think about that when you have to
0:45:21.180,0:45:24.119
start
0:45:22.140,0:45:26.819
even though you're in the Pro and you
0:45:24.119,0:45:28.680
have to start manipulating your body to
0:45:26.819,0:45:30.839
get the back end high enough and then
0:45:28.680,0:45:31.859
your elbows floating again and then you
0:45:30.839,0:45:34.079
gotta you gotta have the right
0:45:31.859,0:45:35.640
combination of backpacks and coats or
0:45:34.079,0:45:37.020
and rocks or whatever to get under your
0:45:35.640,0:45:41.220
elbows
0:45:37.020,0:45:43.800
um but that one right there is I
0:45:41.220,0:45:46.560
I preached to my daughters and to
0:45:43.800,0:45:49.260
everything no matter what I'm doing
0:45:46.560,0:45:51.660
I gotta get something underneath my the
0:45:49.260,0:45:54.839
elbow under my shooting arm right yeah I
0:45:51.660,0:45:57.240
I totally agree with you I think I would
0:45:54.839,0:45:59.220
there's two of them that almost that
0:45:57.240,0:46:01.260
almost ties for me from what I've seen
0:45:59.220,0:46:02.700
in the past and especially like if
0:46:01.260,0:46:05.339
you're actually really paying attention
0:46:02.700,0:46:07.020
to somebody's actually shooting it it's
0:46:05.339,0:46:09.060
it's that floating elbow deal or they
0:46:07.020,0:46:11.480
don't have a good Anchor Point and then
0:46:09.060,0:46:14.040
the next one is is follow through
0:46:11.480,0:46:15.839
following through on the shot a lot of
0:46:14.040,0:46:18.060
times you see people jerking up out of
0:46:15.839,0:46:19.200
it jerking a rifle off to the side so
0:46:18.060,0:46:20.819
they can look see if they've hit
0:46:19.200,0:46:22.859
something or bring their head up real
0:46:20.819,0:46:25.619
fast it'll cause you to miss a lot of
0:46:22.859,0:46:28.020
shots right there uh same thing as a
0:46:25.619,0:46:28.680
pool shot yes follow through right you
0:46:28.020,0:46:31.380
mean
0:46:28.680,0:46:33.839
you've got to stay that that little bit
0:46:31.380,0:46:34.440
gets magnified so much
0:46:33.839,0:46:37.140
um
0:46:34.440,0:46:38.640
you know and I just
0:46:37.140,0:46:41.280
why if you need to watch for that
0:46:38.640,0:46:42.900
animal's going what you do is if it
0:46:41.280,0:46:44.819
doesn't drop right now watch it in the
0:46:42.900,0:46:45.780
scope just stay right there follow
0:46:44.819,0:46:48.079
through
0:46:45.780,0:46:50.940
uh what was your other one
0:46:48.079,0:46:52.980
you you pretty much nailed it the the
0:46:50.940,0:46:55.500
floating elbow stuff you know watching
0:46:52.980,0:46:56.940
people trying to get get steady and
0:46:55.500,0:46:59.520
they're just doing everything to fight
0:46:56.940,0:47:01.619
against themselves to get steady instead
0:46:59.520,0:47:03.780
of locking it uh you know say if they
0:47:01.619,0:47:07.079
are right-handed locking that that elbow
0:47:03.780,0:47:10.020
down on a knee or on something in a
0:47:07.079,0:47:11.339
blind or or whatever just to try to get
0:47:10.020,0:47:13.920
that locked down you just see people
0:47:11.339,0:47:16.980
fighting themselves so much and uh I
0:47:13.920,0:47:19.200
think those are pretty much tie not a
0:47:16.980,0:47:21.240
floating elbow getting stable and then
0:47:19.200,0:47:22.740
and then the follow through I think it's
0:47:21.240,0:47:25.319
what kills them especially you're real
0:47:22.740,0:47:27.000
bad shape if you can't uh lock elbow
0:47:25.319,0:47:28.859
lock your elbows down and get ready to
0:47:27.000,0:47:30.720
you know make a good shot and then you
0:47:28.859,0:47:32.099
don't follow through after that man you
0:47:30.720,0:47:33.960
ain't there ain't no chance you might
0:47:32.099,0:47:37.640
you might be shooting in one deer and
0:47:33.960,0:47:37.640
hit a deer five foot over to the right
0:47:37.680,0:47:42.000
you know in and that can be alleviated
0:47:40.800,0:47:43.859
somewhat
0:47:42.000,0:47:45.300
um you don't necessarily have to have a
0:47:43.859,0:47:49.619
range
0:47:45.300,0:47:50.520
or live ammo to to fix the sodium elbow
0:47:49.619,0:47:52.200
is
0:47:50.520,0:47:53.700
getting into those especially if you're
0:47:52.200,0:47:55.859
talking about like coyote owners because
0:47:53.700,0:47:57.720
you you know you all do it so quick and
0:47:55.859,0:47:59.700
things happen so quick being able to do
0:47:57.720,0:48:01.140
that you know take the bolt out of your
0:47:59.700,0:48:03.060
rifle just
0:48:01.140,0:48:05.099
spend some time
0:48:03.060,0:48:06.480
here and there practicing getting in
0:48:05.099,0:48:09.300
that position you got to make it second
0:48:06.480,0:48:11.099
nature yep right because I mean that's
0:48:09.300,0:48:13.020
the reason you practice this stuff over
0:48:11.099,0:48:16.020
and over and over again because because
0:48:13.020,0:48:17.760
the moment adrenaline hits if it's the
0:48:16.020,0:48:19.260
first time you've done it or it's the
0:48:17.760,0:48:21.839
first time in a while
0:48:19.260,0:48:23.280
it usually doesn't doesn't work out that
0:48:21.839,0:48:27.119
well right
0:48:23.280,0:48:28.859
um you know we we practice doing the
0:48:27.119,0:48:32.220
same thing over whether it's military
0:48:28.859,0:48:34.859
and and you know when we practice going
0:48:32.220,0:48:36.960
into rooms and and clearing buildings
0:48:34.859,0:48:39.780
and doing that so we're doing the same
0:48:36.960,0:48:43.319
thing over and over again with one man
0:48:39.780,0:48:45.599
goes here two man goes here and and
0:48:43.319,0:48:47.460
you know we say
0:48:45.599,0:48:49.800
like
0:48:47.460,0:48:51.300
the reason that you want to do that is
0:48:49.800,0:48:54.000
that it's just like a flow it's like
0:48:51.300,0:48:55.500
you're like water coming in and doing
0:48:54.000,0:48:57.180
that you
0:48:55.500,0:48:58.680
you look like
0:48:57.180,0:49:01.560
a Soup Sandwich when you're doing it
0:48:58.680,0:49:04.800
right it's only with practice Yeah
0:49:01.560,0:49:06.900
that that that muscle memory and then
0:49:04.800,0:49:09.420
when something happens and and the true
0:49:06.900,0:49:11.700
guy goes the wrong direction
0:49:09.420,0:49:13.800
you're confident enough to know okay
0:49:11.700,0:49:15.000
well now I just have to do this right
0:49:13.800,0:49:16.980
and
0:49:15.000,0:49:18.420
and so that's the same thing you know
0:49:16.980,0:49:21.480
you think about a coyote comes running
0:49:18.420,0:49:22.619
in you're going to scoot across and all
0:49:21.480,0:49:24.839
of a sudden
0:49:22.619,0:49:26.220
there's a rock there you know something
0:49:24.839,0:49:28.500
that
0:49:26.220,0:49:32.280
catches you off guard in your in your
0:49:28.500,0:49:36.359
transition you just flow around it yep
0:49:32.280,0:49:37.680
and again make it work yep
0:49:36.359,0:49:39.900
well I've got I've got a couple
0:49:37.680,0:49:42.599
questions for you here just kind of
0:49:39.900,0:49:43.980
personal preference type stuff because I
0:49:42.599,0:49:47.640
you know I've run with you a few times
0:49:43.980,0:49:49.500
and and and have watched you on hunts
0:49:47.640,0:49:51.420
you know deer camp hunts with your kids
0:49:49.500,0:49:52.560
and all that type of stuff what and I've
0:49:51.420,0:49:54.300
seen you hunt with several different
0:49:52.560,0:49:56.520
types of firearms
0:49:54.300,0:49:58.859
um what's your preference on on rifles
0:49:56.520,0:50:00.900
you are AR style guy are you a boat Gun
0:49:58.859,0:50:02.819
Man
0:50:00.900,0:50:06.300
I mean you know you know back and forth
0:50:02.819,0:50:08.339
I I have hunted with ARs quite a bit
0:50:06.300,0:50:10.740
um the ergonomics of them are hard to
0:50:08.339,0:50:11.780
beat right I mean
0:50:10.740,0:50:15.000
um
0:50:11.780,0:50:16.980
triggers are usually not as great I mean
0:50:15.000,0:50:18.780
I don't know what if I what if I told
0:50:16.980,0:50:20.940
you what if I told you you had to choose
0:50:18.780,0:50:22.500
is it Josh candy you can only hunt with
0:50:20.940,0:50:25.640
one rifle the rest of time you're gonna
0:50:22.500,0:50:25.640
pick a boat gun or ar
0:50:25.700,0:50:31.500
you know I
0:50:27.900,0:50:34.800
for deer at least coyotes I I I'd
0:50:31.500,0:50:37.619
probably pick an AR yeah okay okay what
0:50:34.800,0:50:39.240
about uh I gotta what about your what's
0:50:37.619,0:50:41.940
your favorite I won't give you two
0:50:39.240,0:50:44.579
questions here it's about calibers
0:50:41.940,0:50:46.140
what's your favorite coyote caliber and
0:50:44.579,0:50:47.880
what's your favorite deer hunting
0:50:46.140,0:50:50.400
caliber
0:50:47.880,0:50:52.200
okay so coyote caliber because a lot of
0:50:50.400,0:50:54.780
times I do use ARS a lot of times five
0:50:52.200,0:50:55.980
five six okay yeah I can't wait hard to
0:50:54.780,0:50:59.040
beat
0:50:55.980,0:51:01.740
the 6A the 6.8 SBC which I happen to
0:50:59.040,0:51:05.520
have a Daniel Defense in that yep I've
0:51:01.740,0:51:07.559
had that rifle for a long time and that
0:51:05.520,0:51:10.200
gives it a little bit of extra oath for
0:51:07.559,0:51:12.359
not that you know coyotes are I'm not
0:51:10.200,0:51:13.680
sure no I'm not shooting lines I think
0:51:12.359,0:51:16.740
I've seen you deer hunt with that before
0:51:13.680,0:51:18.300
too it's a killer of around especially
0:51:16.740,0:51:20.960
all kinds of stuff
0:51:18.300,0:51:24.020
I I don't know what you know certain
0:51:20.960,0:51:27.480
rounds just have a kill ability to them
0:51:24.020,0:51:29.700
right and the 16.8 SBC if you look at
0:51:27.480,0:51:33.300
ballistics you're like but man it
0:51:29.700,0:51:36.859
hammers them it hammers some stuff yeah
0:51:33.300,0:51:36.859
what about for the deer
0:51:37.140,0:51:40.619
um you know I go back and forth with
0:51:38.640,0:51:43.260
with hunting in South Texas and and
0:51:40.619,0:51:45.000
suppressors I I do like the shorter
0:51:43.260,0:51:48.000
barrels yeah
0:51:45.000,0:51:50.099
um so the 308 is is a lot of times what
0:51:48.000,0:51:53.880
comes in there
0:51:50.099,0:51:56.099
um but I go back to my roots where I
0:51:53.880,0:51:57.300
used to read Jack O'Connor and oh man I
0:51:56.099,0:52:02.819
know exactly what you're going to say
0:51:57.300,0:52:06.359
now for the 270. yeah um I do love I got
0:52:02.819,0:52:08.880
um a Weatherby in 6.5 RPM and
0:52:06.359,0:52:12.900
I use that this year and I absolutely
0:52:08.880,0:52:15.300
loved it and the ballistics aren't that
0:52:12.900,0:52:17.220
much different than a 270
0:52:15.300,0:52:19.800
um it's just the main reason is that
0:52:17.220,0:52:21.599
it's set up to be in the lighter action
0:52:19.800,0:52:24.960
for Weatherby I really like that but
0:52:21.599,0:52:25.680
what I've gotten away from
0:52:24.960,0:52:29.280
um
0:52:25.680,0:52:33.059
is I I like
0:52:29.280,0:52:35.760
and if I have to sacrifice some velocity
0:52:33.059,0:52:38.160
I don't want the longest Barrel in the
0:52:35.760,0:52:42.480
world out there right right
0:52:38.160,0:52:46.319
um I I I I get it for PRS and you guys
0:52:42.480,0:52:47.700
shooting seals out I I get cool but you
0:52:46.319,0:52:49.260
should you're shooting a deer at 100
0:52:47.700,0:52:52.140
yards or less he don't know if he was
0:52:49.260,0:52:56.220
shot with a 26 inch barrel gun or a 20
0:52:52.140,0:52:57.660
or 18. yeah we had um when we were in
0:52:56.220,0:52:59.520
New Zealand one year because Daniel
0:52:57.660,0:53:01.319
Defense was our sponsor and we were
0:52:59.520,0:53:03.240
doing stuff you know it's just when I
0:53:01.319,0:53:06.420
was at Texas
0:53:03.240,0:53:08.579
um we were using the 6.8 SBC to show how
0:53:06.420,0:53:10.980
well it killed I mean I killed
0:53:08.579,0:53:14.579
uh two tar or Shanty on two different
0:53:10.980,0:53:16.260
trips Scott shot a stag I mean it we did
0:53:14.579,0:53:18.660
it we had to get closer at some points
0:53:16.260,0:53:20.040
but we did it right because people were
0:53:18.660,0:53:22.079
saying that round couldn't do it this is
0:53:20.040,0:53:24.660
of course when not a lot of people knew
0:53:22.079,0:53:26.400
that around supermarket and I've been
0:53:24.660,0:53:28.500
used to carrying that rifle around well
0:53:26.400,0:53:31.319
we had a day where the winds were like
0:53:28.500,0:53:34.440
100 miles an hour and we couldn't go up
0:53:31.319,0:53:37.859
on the top so we hunted down uh further
0:53:34.440,0:53:39.839
and I took a a Browning 300 Win Mag I
0:53:37.859,0:53:42.599
caught that barrel I've been for a week
0:53:39.839,0:53:46.460
walking around with you know
0:53:42.599,0:53:46.460
after that I was like oh man
0:53:47.720,0:53:52.680
and one of the guys from Weatherby that
0:53:51.359,0:53:56.880
was there when we were elk hunting in
0:53:52.680,0:53:59.880
Montana He had that 338 RPM yep
0:53:56.880,0:54:02.040
um which they they chamber and make in
0:53:59.880,0:54:04.920
an 18 and a half inch barrel
0:54:02.040,0:54:06.900
and I mean walking around in the elk
0:54:04.920,0:54:09.780
woods with that is
0:54:06.900,0:54:13.260
right anyway sorry I was along so I I
0:54:09.780,0:54:16.140
have gotten away from you know I love
0:54:13.260,0:54:19.020
the 25-06 it was you know it's kind of a
0:54:16.140,0:54:21.359
realm that's lost popularity
0:54:19.020,0:54:22.680
um that was probably used to be my
0:54:21.359,0:54:25.260
favorite deer around but I've kind of
0:54:22.680,0:54:28.380
gravitated to things with they don't all
0:54:25.260,0:54:30.960
have to be 18 inch barrels but I like it
0:54:28.380,0:54:32.520
is you know you talk about some of the
0:54:30.960,0:54:34.859
newer stuff and some of the older stuff
0:54:32.520,0:54:37.440
there you know when I came out to hunt
0:54:34.859,0:54:38.760
with you this year I was already packing
0:54:37.440,0:54:41.640
a lot of gear and I remember I called
0:54:38.760,0:54:43.500
you I said you wouldn't happen to have a
0:54:41.640,0:54:45.300
rifle that I could shoot while I met her
0:54:43.500,0:54:47.280
deer hunting and be like man I got a
0:54:45.300,0:54:50.240
Ruger Hawkeye that's right up your alley
0:54:47.280,0:54:50.240
got down there
0:54:50.420,0:54:55.380
first time I've ever I've shot 30 out
0:54:53.520,0:54:57.540
sixes before I've got uncles that shot
0:54:55.380,0:54:59.280
them for years and swear by them and and
0:54:57.540,0:55:00.540
I knew they were very potent you know
0:54:59.280,0:55:03.020
probably one of the most popular Big
0:55:00.540,0:55:05.420
Game cartridges ever in North America
0:55:03.020,0:55:07.319
but uh you shot it a couple times
0:55:05.420,0:55:09.660
practicing there
0:55:07.319,0:55:11.640
took it out in the field and my goodness
0:55:09.660,0:55:13.680
that uh big wide eight point couldn't
0:55:11.640,0:55:15.059
hold it too much he dropped straight I
0:55:13.680,0:55:16.800
think his high end was the first thing
0:55:15.059,0:55:18.180
it hit the ground that's absolutely
0:55:16.800,0:55:20.280
hammered him
0:55:18.180,0:55:22.079
good old 30 out six
0:55:20.280,0:55:24.960
yeah it's it's you know it's such a
0:55:22.079,0:55:26.760
universal a yes good for L good for so
0:55:24.960,0:55:27.960
many things it's funny you know I meet
0:55:26.760,0:55:29.160
people all the time they're like all
0:55:27.960,0:55:33.020
right
0:55:29.160,0:55:36.480
I need a gun for uh hunting
0:55:33.020,0:55:39.359
self-defense and target shooting what's
0:55:36.480,0:55:41.300
the best one three different ones right
0:55:39.359,0:55:44.180
right
0:55:41.300,0:55:46.500
I mean right
0:55:44.180,0:55:47.540
well good thing about us we're a hunter
0:55:46.500,0:55:50.220
so
0:55:47.540,0:55:51.720
we can swim now pretty good oh I got one
0:55:50.220,0:55:55.260
more question for you here and we'll
0:55:51.720,0:55:57.059
close out uh which Swagger bipod model
0:55:55.260,0:55:59.400
do you prefer to hunt with I know you
0:55:57.059,0:56:01.260
kind of answered it already but uh for
0:55:59.400,0:56:02.339
all around hunting are you gonna you
0:56:01.260,0:56:04.859
know I'll give you just one of them
0:56:02.339,0:56:07.260
you're gonna hunt everything coyotes uh
0:56:04.859,0:56:10.800
you'd be the 129.
0:56:07.260,0:56:13.680
you know it it covers me out in the west
0:56:10.800,0:56:15.119
that if I do get a long you know and I
0:56:13.680,0:56:16.980
need to be in the prune for or anything
0:56:15.119,0:56:19.380
like that
0:56:16.980,0:56:21.960
um even if I'm sat in a chair I did
0:56:19.380,0:56:24.359
bring that by accident one time or blind
0:56:21.960,0:56:26.000
on and yeah I mean it works nicely you
0:56:24.359,0:56:29.339
just tuck the legs back and fold them
0:56:26.000,0:56:31.859
into you know it's a very stable
0:56:29.339,0:56:34.319
platform that that for me I mean second
0:56:31.859,0:56:35.579
would be the 142 if I know I'm not going
0:56:34.319,0:56:37.700
to need to get in the prune but yeah
0:56:35.579,0:56:41.460
overall
0:56:37.700,0:56:42.780
and I'm I'm a little opposite because we
0:56:41.460,0:56:46.140
spent a lot of time hunting out of
0:56:42.780,0:56:48.780
chairs and elevated seats so the 42s
0:56:46.140,0:56:53.040
it's a pretty much Dead Heat for me with
0:56:48.780,0:56:55.500
142 and qd42 I get asked at uh uh quite
0:56:53.040,0:56:57.059
a bit which one I'd like to use the most
0:56:55.500,0:56:59.460
and I pretty much managed to it's a draw
0:56:57.059,0:57:00.960
between them both I hate tailps buy them
0:56:59.460,0:57:01.980
both you know but you know they don't
0:57:00.960,0:57:03.599
want to hear that they want you to pick
0:57:01.980,0:57:05.700
one and it really comes down to which
0:57:03.599,0:57:07.859
which firearm I'm taking it really does
0:57:05.700,0:57:11.460
come down to that you know and you know
0:57:07.859,0:57:14.040
for for me personally like the qd42 is
0:57:11.460,0:57:15.480
great I just prefer I like having it
0:57:14.040,0:57:17.280
attached to the right line or some
0:57:15.480,0:57:20.520
people don't and and that's how they
0:57:17.280,0:57:22.920
like the qd42 but I I like to know when
0:57:20.520,0:57:25.079
I'm carrying it it's it's there it's
0:57:22.920,0:57:26.339
ready to use both times that I was in
0:57:25.079,0:57:28.559
New Zealand
0:57:26.339,0:57:31.140
um this is way before Swagger was around
0:57:28.559,0:57:32.700
I had other competitive products with me
0:57:31.140,0:57:34.800
they were in my backpack
0:57:32.700,0:57:36.720
well both times I came around the hill
0:57:34.800,0:57:38.579
it was go time I didn't even have time
0:57:36.720,0:57:40.140
to get them out didn't get to use them
0:57:38.579,0:57:42.540
but I know
0:57:40.140,0:57:45.000
right there I can get down get it out
0:57:42.540,0:57:46.380
quickly and uh I know I'm not going to
0:57:45.000,0:57:48.540
leave it in the truck or under a tree
0:57:46.380,0:57:50.520
man I can't tell you how many times I've
0:57:48.540,0:57:52.920
done that especially if you're hunting
0:57:50.520,0:57:54.839
with other people making coyote stands
0:57:52.920,0:57:57.599
that is probably the most embarrassing
0:57:54.839,0:57:59.160
thing ever you walk in half a mile or
0:57:57.599,0:58:00.480
something to make this coyote stand
0:57:59.160,0:58:01.740
everybody's getting set up and you're
0:58:00.480,0:58:04.319
all sudden you're like
0:58:01.740,0:58:07.980
what about dying sticks Ed
0:58:04.319,0:58:10.260
oh they're back here in the truck I I've
0:58:07.980,0:58:11.520
I mean it's not my proudest moment but
0:58:10.260,0:58:14.700
I've done it and that's why I like
0:58:11.520,0:58:16.859
having it attached it it just it's there
0:58:14.700,0:58:18.480
I know I've got it it's one less thing
0:58:16.859,0:58:20.579
for me to worry about you can't forget
0:58:18.480,0:58:22.079
them if they're stuck on there and
0:58:20.579,0:58:23.280
you've seen I mean when we get in and
0:58:22.079,0:58:24.900
we're going after deer and we're
0:58:23.280,0:58:26.880
thinking about deer and moving and
0:58:24.900,0:58:29.400
calling and going oh crap the wind
0:58:26.880,0:58:31.619
shifted or like last thing I need to be
0:58:29.400,0:58:34.920
worried about for me personally
0:58:31.619,0:58:36.599
um and that's why I like 129. yep no I
0:58:34.920,0:58:38.160
totally I totally agree with you and I
0:58:36.599,0:58:41.940
tell you what you know I started out
0:58:38.160,0:58:44.280
using the 129 and 142 and then uh well
0:58:41.940,0:58:47.099
it was actually I was down in Kansas and
0:58:44.280,0:58:49.020
we were actually testing the qd42 I
0:58:47.099,0:58:50.460
think I actually had a 3D printed model
0:58:49.020,0:58:53.280
he was like be careful that thing
0:58:50.460,0:58:56.460
because it'll bust and you know going
0:58:53.280,0:58:57.900
from that Hunter 42 to test and that I
0:58:56.460,0:59:00.299
think it was three or four times over
0:58:57.900,0:59:02.000
three days I forgot the thing in the
0:59:00.299,0:59:04.140
truck
0:59:02.000,0:59:05.099
gosh I gotta walk back to the truck like
0:59:04.140,0:59:07.859
what's wrong
0:59:05.099,0:59:09.359
forgot to forgot the qds and and but
0:59:07.859,0:59:11.400
after you know I kind of got back in
0:59:09.359,0:59:15.020
that mode I ain't forgot them since but
0:59:11.400,0:59:18.119
you know it happens it happens well and
0:59:15.020,0:59:21.420
you know I know we we announced that at
0:59:18.119,0:59:24.119
ATA and shot show we will have a vice
0:59:21.420,0:59:26.400
and a ball head I just it's being a
0:59:24.119,0:59:28.559
little bit slower because for for those
0:59:26.400,0:59:30.420
for these tripod shooters
0:59:28.559,0:59:33.180
we
0:59:30.420,0:59:37.079
we are doing everything we can to not
0:59:33.180,0:59:40.319
deal with China oh that's way to go and
0:59:37.079,0:59:43.680
away from China not to China a wife yes
0:59:40.319,0:59:46.260
yes because like it it is
0:59:43.680,0:59:51.920
uh it's difficult
0:59:46.260,0:59:51.920
to say the least but it's just there is
0:59:52.319,0:59:57.420
they will steal everything right that
0:59:54.599,0:59:59.700
you have and sell it like I our
0:59:57.420,1:00:01.799
competitors y'all know who they are we
0:59:59.700,1:00:05.819
get people all the time from China going
1:00:01.799,1:00:09.240
hey here it is you get home look you you
1:00:05.819,1:00:11.040
get on Amazon and search
1:00:09.240,1:00:13.260
our competitors
1:00:11.040,1:00:15.180
there are there's Chinese companies that
1:00:13.260,1:00:17.579
are selling those exact same things it's
1:00:15.180,1:00:20.220
it's made to think that it's it's one or
1:00:17.579,1:00:23.579
the other right and that started
1:00:20.220,1:00:25.140
happening we so we're we're doing this
1:00:23.579,1:00:27.660
this Vice which we'll call the coyote
1:00:25.140,1:00:28.859
Vice and we'll call the ball head
1:00:27.660,1:00:30.420
um they are not gonna need plastic
1:00:28.859,1:00:33.780
they're gonna be machine to lose them
1:00:30.420,1:00:36.119
yep and yes they are going to weigh more
1:00:33.780,1:00:37.500
than than plastic right like if you were
1:00:36.119,1:00:39.000
how much it weighs like you're carrying
1:00:37.500,1:00:41.339
a tripod what does it really matter you
1:00:39.000,1:00:44.339
got a tripod enough right you are right
1:00:41.339,1:00:48.119
you are you already packing white and
1:00:44.339,1:00:50.220
probably packing AR-10 so
1:00:48.119,1:00:52.380
the complaints that we we always get are
1:00:50.220,1:00:53.880
about these these ball heads and and
1:00:52.380,1:00:54.660
these
1:00:53.880,1:00:57.059
um
1:00:54.660,1:00:58.400
uh vices being made of plastic and they
1:00:57.059,1:01:00.900
they wear out so
1:00:58.400,1:01:03.720
I hope that we will have these for sale
1:01:00.900,1:01:05.220
uh by May that's that's my hope that's
1:01:03.720,1:01:06.660
exciting I'll tell you for a lot of
1:01:05.220,1:01:08.880
these night hunters and there is some
1:01:06.660,1:01:11.520
day Hunters that likes to use a tripod
1:01:08.880,1:01:14.099
uh type shooting system and
1:01:11.520,1:01:16.380
Josh you know Swagger bipods it's one of
1:01:14.099,1:01:18.780
the reasons we love working with you
1:01:16.380,1:01:20.579
guys you know we're a Foxpro is a made
1:01:18.780,1:01:22.440
in the USA company and for you guys that
1:01:20.579,1:01:24.839
don't know it so it was Swagger bipods
1:01:22.440,1:01:26.700
the hunter the hunter series at the QD
1:01:24.839,1:01:27.900
series they're they're made they're made
1:01:26.700,1:01:29.819
right here in the states that's
1:01:27.900,1:01:32.160
American-made products in Kentucky and
1:01:29.819,1:01:34.500
Kentucky yes in Kentucky Lexington
1:01:32.160,1:01:36.359
Kentucky right up there so
1:01:34.500,1:01:38.220
um we love we love the fact you know
1:01:36.359,1:01:40.140
it's great it's a great product for one
1:01:38.220,1:01:42.119
thing it's you know I've I've ran them
1:01:40.140,1:01:44.280
for years it won't continue to run them
1:01:42.119,1:01:45.720
for years uh we love working with you
1:01:44.280,1:01:47.640
guys and that's one of the one of the
1:01:45.720,1:01:49.619
big things that uh that we we love about
1:01:47.640,1:01:52.140
you it's another made in the USA product
1:01:49.619,1:01:53.760
we love it we love hearing that you're
1:01:52.140,1:01:56.099
not taking something to China to be made
1:01:53.760,1:01:59.160
we like it being made right here right
1:01:56.099,1:02:00.839
and you know I'd like to oh y'all listen
1:01:59.160,1:02:03.119
here you know these Fox prayers are made
1:02:00.839,1:02:05.520
in America but you know everybody's
1:02:03.119,1:02:07.020
trying to knock them off and yeah like
1:02:05.520,1:02:09.900
all this stuff like
1:02:07.020,1:02:11.579
yep you got to pay a dollar or a dollar
1:02:09.900,1:02:15.599
fifty more
1:02:11.579,1:02:17.460
uh to get quality and to get us out of
1:02:15.599,1:02:20.160
China like I
1:02:17.460,1:02:22.859
I you know the quality that comes back
1:02:20.160,1:02:25.619
I I I'm gonna go on a little rant but
1:02:22.859,1:02:28.799
like I love growing up the cotton
1:02:25.619,1:02:31.559
Cordell Bingo it's the most fantastic I
1:02:28.799,1:02:33.980
loved that lure I could fish rivers
1:02:31.559,1:02:33.980
lakes
1:02:34.020,1:02:38.880
color of it I'm a little nostalgic right
1:02:36.780,1:02:41.220
so right I ordered some
1:02:38.880,1:02:43.500
that that came
1:02:41.220,1:02:44.940
um when we moved over here we were on
1:02:43.500,1:02:47.099
the Guadalupe River now and I was like
1:02:44.940,1:02:49.680
man I'd love for my kids who fish with
1:02:47.099,1:02:52.380
these I ordered some off my Amazon from
1:02:49.680,1:02:54.480
this you know they're not it's not you
1:02:52.380,1:02:57.000
know it's all one big thing kilometer
1:02:54.480,1:03:00.059
coming the Box literally came from China
1:02:57.000,1:03:02.040
it literally came from China yeah
1:03:00.059,1:03:03.720
uh some of the products didn't have
1:03:02.040,1:03:05.579
hooks on them no there isn't I mean
1:03:03.720,1:03:07.319
they're worthless the lures don't run
1:03:05.579,1:03:10.619
straight they wobble off to the side
1:03:07.319,1:03:13.140
they're just like jump and when we just
1:03:10.619,1:03:16.680
sacrifice everything for
1:03:13.140,1:03:19.500
for this you know gobs of plastic junk
1:03:16.680,1:03:21.119
from a from a country that can't stand
1:03:19.500,1:03:21.839
us
1:03:21.119,1:03:23.579
um
1:03:21.839,1:03:26.700
you know I
1:03:23.579,1:03:28.920
I'm American yes sir it and it that
1:03:26.700,1:03:31.500
means a lot to to a lot of us you know
1:03:28.920,1:03:34.319
take pride in it type stuff running
1:03:31.500,1:03:35.640
stuff it's made in the USA you know we
1:03:34.319,1:03:38.339
love it man we love what you guys are
1:03:35.640,1:03:41.460
doing yeah we we don't is there anybody
1:03:38.339,1:03:43.799
listening to this that wants to go buy a
1:03:41.460,1:03:45.900
a really crappy produced
1:03:43.799,1:03:48.359
Chinese rifle
1:03:45.900,1:03:50.099
does anybody own one no
1:03:48.359,1:03:51.900
so you know why you want to sacrifice
1:03:50.099,1:03:53.040
that on all your other like you know you
1:03:51.900,1:03:54.839
go back to that time you're talking
1:03:53.040,1:03:56.460
about when you need to encounter your
1:03:54.839,1:03:58.440
equipment and count them everything at
1:03:56.460,1:04:00.299
that moment like
1:03:58.440,1:04:02.220
last thing you need is a button falling
1:04:00.299,1:04:04.619
off right right
1:04:02.220,1:04:06.540
I know it but it's wild you know and
1:04:04.619,1:04:08.640
there are people gonna be listening to
1:04:06.540,1:04:10.859
this stuff you know like on an iPhone or
1:04:08.640,1:04:12.299
whatever and they're like I mean I've
1:04:10.859,1:04:13.740
got an iPhone they're like well you're
1:04:12.299,1:04:15.660
sitting here you're with the you're with
1:04:13.740,1:04:17.700
the iPhone you're you're just just as
1:04:15.660,1:04:20.160
bad well guess what if they made one in
1:04:17.700,1:04:21.079
the USA I'd be the first one to buy one
1:04:20.160,1:04:23.700
son
1:04:21.079,1:04:25.559
hey bring a smartphone to Lexington
1:04:23.700,1:04:27.980
Kentucky you have it made there I'll be
1:04:25.559,1:04:31.619
the first one on one
1:04:27.980,1:04:34.559
I you know I I
1:04:31.619,1:04:36.720
think things will change here hopefully
1:04:34.559,1:04:38.339
soon but I mean it's a whole system the
1:04:36.720,1:04:41.160
way it's set up it's like it's almost
1:04:38.339,1:04:44.220
impossible to manufacture
1:04:41.160,1:04:47.940
um you know and the way the way they do
1:04:44.220,1:04:50.520
it is it's just it's crazy yeah yeah
1:04:47.940,1:04:52.079
Josh I think we've pretty much run out
1:04:50.520,1:04:53.819
of time here I appreciate you being on
1:04:52.079,1:04:55.680
I've had a good time good time talking
1:04:53.819,1:04:58.380
with you we talked a little bit of deer
1:04:55.680,1:05:00.240
hunting talked some uh shooting tips and
1:04:58.380,1:05:02.280
uh win several different directions but
1:05:00.240,1:05:03.480
man it's a had a good time talking with
1:05:02.280,1:05:06.480
you today
1:05:03.480,1:05:07.559
absolutely we'll we appreciate it John
1:05:06.480,1:05:09.839
and
1:05:07.559,1:05:10.740
all you guys over at Foxboro
1:05:09.839,1:05:12.359
um
1:05:10.740,1:05:14.400
let me know where you are we're gonna be
1:05:12.359,1:05:15.839
we're headed out to the ranch to try to
1:05:14.400,1:05:18.420
take some Coyotes out not this weekend
1:05:15.839,1:05:20.819
but the next weekend so how do you how
1:05:18.420,1:05:23.640
do you try to get her first coyote we I
1:05:20.819,1:05:26.059
told you we called in a bunch uh last
1:05:23.640,1:05:28.680
spring and we got to get in a little bit
1:05:26.059,1:05:31.020
it all happened a little too fast right
1:05:28.680,1:05:33.299
hey you all should be hitting it just
1:05:31.020,1:05:34.740
right to internet country hey they don't
1:05:33.299,1:05:36.660
hit them with some howls and then hit
1:05:34.740,1:05:38.460
some of them small puppy sounds you
1:05:36.660,1:05:39.839
should have like there's a sound I know
1:05:38.460,1:05:41.520
it's gonna sound crazy when I tell you
1:05:39.839,1:05:43.859
this Josh but we talked about this just
1:05:41.520,1:05:46.680
a couple weeks ago here on this podcast
1:05:43.859,1:05:49.500
look in your folders on you Josh has got
1:05:46.680,1:05:51.960
a Foxpro x2s go in there's a there will
1:05:49.500,1:05:54.420
be a category called
1:05:51.960,1:05:56.760
um domestics there will be K-9 puppies
1:05:54.420,1:05:58.079
one and canine puppies too you're
1:05:56.760,1:06:00.480
sitting there thinking why would I play
1:05:58.079,1:06:01.740
domestic dog sounds
1:06:00.480,1:06:03.240
might as well go ahead and flip that
1:06:01.740,1:06:06.059
safety off because they gonna be coming
1:06:03.240,1:06:08.000
after you hit that do you pass on Fast
1:06:06.059,1:06:10.740
action
1:06:08.000,1:06:13.500
it's a good good luck good luck to y'all
1:06:10.740,1:06:15.059
that area okay so what I know we were
1:06:13.500,1:06:17.099
talking about a little bit but I mean we
1:06:15.059,1:06:18.660
do a bunch of trapping for raccoons but
1:06:17.099,1:06:20.640
what
1:06:18.660,1:06:22.859
I want to try to call some in I've never
1:06:20.640,1:06:25.440
I've never tried right honestly right
1:06:22.859,1:06:28.200
what what do y'all use for the raccoon
1:06:25.440,1:06:30.839
calls which ones man you know I've never
1:06:28.200,1:06:33.359
done a lot of it but I know several the
1:06:30.839,1:06:36.660
guys that do uh they used uh raccoon
1:06:33.359,1:06:39.180
fight and then some of the young raccoon
1:06:36.660,1:06:40.799
distress sounds that'll be on there uh I
1:06:39.180,1:06:42.720
would start out with a young raccoon
1:06:40.799,1:06:44.460
distresses and then finish up with you
1:06:42.720,1:06:46.940
with your raccoon fights and see what
1:06:44.460,1:06:46.940
happens man
1:06:47.400,1:06:52.559
raccoons
1:06:49.039,1:06:55.700
yes there's no mystery about where these
1:06:52.559,1:06:57.539
turkeys are going no
1:06:55.700,1:07:01.000
for sure
1:06:57.539,1:07:02.160
it is raccoons and you know what
1:07:01.000,1:07:03.839
[Music]
1:07:02.160,1:07:06.180
some raccoons will start seeing more
1:07:03.839,1:07:07.619
birds again yep yes sir yes sir y'all
1:07:06.180,1:07:09.660
got a lot of game birds down there
1:07:07.619,1:07:11.339
several a couple different kinds of
1:07:09.660,1:07:14.099
quail down there so y'all I'm sure y'all
1:07:11.339,1:07:15.839
get hit hard by the raccoons oh yeah we
1:07:14.099,1:07:18.480
we trap a ton of them and it's just it's
1:07:15.839,1:07:20.460
barely treading the water yeah yeah
1:07:18.480,1:07:21.960
well Josh I appreciate you being on here
1:07:20.460,1:07:23.280
but I have to get you on again here
1:07:21.960,1:07:25.799
before too long
1:07:23.280,1:07:27.660
all right well good luck this uh turkey
1:07:25.799,1:07:29.520
season we'll talk to you later all right
1:07:27.660,1:07:31.079
we hope everyone enjoyed this episode we
1:07:29.520,1:07:33.859
hope you join us again right here on the
1:07:31.079,1:07:33.859
Foxpro podcast