FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Tom Austin talk coyote hunting and discuss proven tactics for calling in wolves.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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man we've got a good one for you welcome
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back to the Foxpro podcast on this
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episode we're going to be talking wolves
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and coyotes before we get going I want
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available now all right let's get to it
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we've got Foxpro staffer Tom Austin on
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the line how's it going Tom you doing
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all right buddy oh yeah I'm great
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awesome I mean how could you not be
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great talking about hunting yeah it's uh
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I know that uh didn't you and uh Al just
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freshly just now got back from a from a
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coyote hunting trip when y'all hunting
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just a week or two ago
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we we were we did some uh we tried to do
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some dogging
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um but the coyotes just were not real
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interested in dogging
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yeah sometimes they're alligators and
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sometimes they're super timid and these
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coyotes were timid out of the dozen or
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so that we called in we had one coyote
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interested in even interacting with the
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dogs so how how was how was the calling
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though did the coyotes call pretty good
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yeah the calling was good
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um
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just about every time we set up we uh we
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had responses and you know we had
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coyotes coming hard
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but when they saw the dogs they would
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almost turn inside out one of them
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hunkered down like on a on its belly
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and waited for the dogs to go past and
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then snuck out of there as quickly I've
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never seen it I've seen you know I've
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seen them Dart off and burned out just
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you know as quick as they see the dogs
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and stuff like that I don't think I've
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ever seen one try to try to hide let
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them get behind and then slip out
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yep she literally hid from the dogs
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until they were out of sight and then
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she took it off and we never saw her
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again never got a shot at her but uh the
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column was good we were using um
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mainly vocals every once in a while we
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played some Fawn bleats yep
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but mostly coyote vocals uh using a ton
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of the mfk stuff right right and
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they were just hammering the call they
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would come as hard and as fast as they
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could come
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um if they didn't see the dog and as
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soon as they saw the dogs it was a
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different game so we started leaving the
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dogs in the truck
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um sometimes you got to test the waters
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on them but you know what really what
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really gets aggravating is when uh when
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the Collins not all that great you know
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coyotes aren't coming good and then when
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they do come they're sissies like that
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that makes for a pretty brutal few days
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of column but it's always good to see
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that the coyotes are coming are coming
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good
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yeah well the the best part of it is is
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anybody could do it anybody could do
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what we did you know last week
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um if they had a fox Pro and mfk sounds
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yep they could have called in a dozen 15
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coyotes in two and a half days easy
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awesome
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um without dogs because you know the
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dogs didn't help us any at all right it
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actually kind of hurt you a little bit
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yeah sometimes they help you a bunch and
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sometimes they hurt you and this was a
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hardest week but right so y'all ended up
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after uh I think I did talk to Al
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earlier and he did say that had one
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really really good dogging stand and uh
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said that uh you know they had a bunch
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of CC's did you all end up just putting
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the dogs up and just start calling and
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killing
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yeah we did and we we ended up killing
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um I think we ended up killing seven in
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two and a half days which is pretty good
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considering you're only able to call
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four or five hours in the morning yes it
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ain't hot yeah yeah yep yep that is good
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and especially doing it on film you know
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filming and a lot of them were spoiled
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because of the dogs you know right right
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yeah and film and adds a whole new
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element to it but
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uh it also makes it a lot more
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interesting and you got to be a lot
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smarter about your hunting when you're
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filming too definitely a lot smarter
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about your setups you know you know the
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last day we went to a ranch there in
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Northern Utah only about 45 minutes from
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my home
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and uh it was just flat Sage everywhere
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I mean there was nowhere to hide the
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truck there's nowhere to hide your body
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you're just sitting down and you're not
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seeing coyotes until they're you know
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100 yards of glass coming hard right
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right and then you're shooting through
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little Windows
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um with the camera and the gun yeah yeah
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it just makes for interesting hunting
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but it definitely does you gotta and
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that's the thing talking about those
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small Windows you know and everybody's
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got to be on the same page just because
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that camera's got the window doesn't
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mean the the shooter has the same window
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or vice versa exactly yeah so what uh
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What state were you guys hunting in this
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past trip were y'all in Utah or y'all go
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somewhere else we'll be headed Utah and
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Idaho
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um so I live 45 minutes from Southern
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Idaho border yep and I can be in Idaho
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in 45 minutes it takes me about an hour
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and a half to get to Nevada and about
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an hour to get to Wyoming so I'm right
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in America of all the good house oh yeah
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you in the you're in the honey hole
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right there you're in the you're in The
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Sweet Spot yeah there's some great
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there's some great hunting there's a ton
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of callers that say if you can kill
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coyotes in in my home state of Utah
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um and do it consistently you're
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something special because there's a ton
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of callers I'd say that they still have
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the 50 Bounty I'm sure that that hurts a
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little bit yeah yeah
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every uh every set of years and loaded
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jaw in the state of Utah is worth 50
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bucks and yep it gets everybody
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interested in going out there to do it
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but you know not everybody knows how to
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do it which you know it can hurt too and
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don't get me wrong I'm all about
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promoting new guys into sport I was a
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new guy a long long time ago and
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and you know that's what keeps this
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sport going is new guys with new
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interest in fresh blood yeah you know I
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tell you what I'll tell you that 50
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Bounty that uh you know I've hunted
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other states that have like certain
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counties would have have bounties you
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know sometimes there's counties inside
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States that'll have them and it might
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not be 50 bucks might just be 25 but if
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you could take a set of ears in
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and and get a check that turns everybody
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into a coyote Hunter even even if
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they're not a uh say a coyote caller you
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got guys running them with dogs you've
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got ranchers and cowboys and everybody
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else shooting them out of Windows of
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pickup trucks so you know it puts
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coyotes on edge I mean it's even though
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they might not be calling pressure
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um if there's pressure from coming from
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every angle it can make it can make you
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go call them pretty doggone difficult
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well you know what it did uh in my my
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home uh area is it caused guys
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to buy helicopters oh my gosh
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or killing coyotes because if if they
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could go out and kill 40 to 60 in a
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weekend yeah
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Not only would it pay for their fuel but
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the ranchers would pay him a bunch for
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doing them I'm in the tournament for the
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Bounty yep so one of my best friends
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from high school went in on a helicopter
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with his his father-in-law
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and they made a killing Services
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uh business out of it and so add that on
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top everybody else that's hunting and
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Kyle's in Utah are pretty darn tough to
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to call and kill but
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Al and I've been doing it so long and we
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have some spots set aside we still have
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success right right does does Utah still
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incorporate uh do you all have
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government Trappers up there
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oh yeah yeah so they're they're out
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there working
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every week every day every counter
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county has at least a government Trapper
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some of them have several yeah yeah well
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I had uh it uh can definitely definitely
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make things change the game up a little
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bit what uh he said the column was
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pretty good what you got any specific
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sounds that you noticed that the coyotes
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were coming to better than than others
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what what were most of you coyotes
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showing up to
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well
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um
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it seemed like all we were really all we
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really had to do was
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um do a few howls and uh
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that little B whimper house what Al
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starts almost every set with oh he loves
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it he loves it yeah
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but I can see why it works good you know
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yep oh yeah
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Guru challenge I think is another one
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that we were doing
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um
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just going back and forth between
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different howls and uh
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it was that's really all we needed we
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didn't have to get fancy with the column
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yep
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I'll ran the remote all weekend because
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he you know he was uh he was running the
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dogs and the remote and I was filming
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and
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one thing I think that people don't
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understand when they watch an episode of
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Foxpro hunting TV or whatever they think
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that we use two or three sounds I
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understand
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I don't I can't think of a stand I've
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used only two or three sounds since I
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was a kid when Dad was you know blowing
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a Cali ho hand call you know when I was
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seven or eight years old
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um since the the Advent of you know
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Fox pros and my first was an fx5 you
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know 20 years ago right I easily played
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10 pounds on every scan and maybe 20 or
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30 you know it's not uncommon from for
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us to go through 20 sounds easy right
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right
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little bites here and there of all sorts
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of different things to see what's going
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to trip they're trigger yeah yeah so if
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someone said give me a sound sequence
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you people would probably laugh at how
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many different sounds we play they did
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they'd had to get their notebook out to
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write all the stuff down or memorize it
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wouldn't they yeah but but it's still it
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only lasts 15 or 20 minutes you know
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exactly we're just not we're just not
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beating uh Lightning Jack to death for
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12 minutes it ain't getting up and
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packing off to another stand yeah and I
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know a lot of guys that do that you know
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they'll play Lightning Jack for 10 12
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minutes and nothing comes well there
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must be nothing here well that's not
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that's not true you know right if you're
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not if you're not peeking a coyote's
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interest with vocals uh territory maybe
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um
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uh some mating sounds maybe some fight
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sounds you know as well as something
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that maybe he wants to eat then you're
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missing coyotes that's right you gotta
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you gotta touch on all those things that
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could trigger a coyote
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especially in those States like you're
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talking about Utah the ones that get
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hammered I mean you got to find
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something that's going to trigger those
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coyotes come in for sure yeah there's
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times we'll go to another state
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and we only have to play you know four
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or five sounds because we get it figured
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out pretty quickly right find what they
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want to come to yeah it's like fishing
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you know if you keep throwing the same
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chartreuse popper over and over and over
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again nothing's hitting it you're
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wasting your time you got to find out
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what they're hitting on exactly exactly
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I I throw everything in The Tackle Box
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until I get something to hit it and then
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I'll stick with it you know but uh ride
0:12:11.399,0:12:15.480
it ride it till it bucks you you know if
0:12:13.200,0:12:18.480
it starts working use it yep that for
0:12:15.480,0:12:20.339
sure exactly but before we uh we'll get
0:12:18.480,0:12:22.620
into the thick of this podcast you all
0:12:20.339,0:12:24.060
heard us uh talk back and forth here a
0:12:22.620,0:12:26.000
little bit you kind of get an idea about
0:12:24.060,0:12:28.140
Tom but you know just to give you guys
0:12:26.000,0:12:29.579
let me learn a little bit more about you
0:12:28.140,0:12:32.279
Tom you know I was going to go ahead and
0:12:29.579,0:12:34.260
start it off guys Tom is an excellent
0:12:32.279,0:12:37.019
excellent Predator Hunter and Thomas
0:12:34.260,0:12:38.579
also one of the few Hunters that I
0:12:37.019,0:12:40.980
personally know that has successfully
0:12:38.579,0:12:42.899
called in a wolf and I'm pretty sure
0:12:40.980,0:12:47.220
he's called in more than just one which
0:12:42.899,0:12:48.720
I is an absolute amazing feat Tom
0:12:47.220,0:12:51.300
um you guys heard us talking about
0:12:48.720,0:12:53.880
filming and stuff Tom is no stranger to
0:12:51.300,0:12:55.740
a video camera Tom has been in front of
0:12:53.880,0:12:59.700
the camera for Foxpro hunting TV
0:12:55.740,0:13:02.459
numerous times and as filmed countless
0:12:59.700,0:13:04.980
episodes for Foxpro hunting TV uh Tom
0:13:02.459,0:13:06.720
why don't you give us a little brief
0:13:04.980,0:13:08.519
deal here tell us a little bit you know
0:13:06.720,0:13:09.899
more about yourself tell us who Tom
0:13:08.519,0:13:12.540
Austin is
0:13:09.899,0:13:14.820
yeah so grew up in Northern Utah Hunting
0:13:12.540,0:13:18.300
Fishing loving every day like the song
0:13:14.820,0:13:21.720
says my dad put himself through college
0:13:18.300,0:13:23.700
hunting coyotes and what they would do
0:13:21.720,0:13:25.800
is he and a buddy would go out on the
0:13:23.700,0:13:29.279
weekend and kill as many coyotes as they
0:13:25.800,0:13:32.220
could and then they would skin him and
0:13:29.279,0:13:34.620
stretch him and uh you know do all that
0:13:32.220,0:13:36.600
and take him to the fur market and he
0:13:34.620,0:13:38.279
his fur check was enough to pay for his
0:13:36.600,0:13:41.880
tuition
0:13:38.279,0:13:44.639
um for several years and so when I was
0:13:41.880,0:13:48.600
real little like seven
0:13:44.639,0:13:50.279
he started letting me go and I I've got
0:13:48.600,0:13:53.399
two older brothers and he younger sister
0:13:50.279,0:13:56.220
so the boys would all go hunting and the
0:13:53.399,0:13:59.940
the girls would stay home and do girl
0:13:56.220,0:14:02.459
things and we just loved it I killed my
0:13:59.940,0:14:05.399
first coyote with a 30-30 lever action
0:14:02.459,0:14:09.360
that I borrowed from my granddad
0:14:05.399,0:14:12.420
um I probably you know 40 or 50 yards
0:14:09.360,0:14:14.639
that posted up broadside and I smoked it
0:14:12.420,0:14:16.680
and I was hooked ever since you know at
0:14:14.639,0:14:22.860
seven years old that's that's that's
0:14:16.680,0:14:25.260
pretty young so yeah so I grew up doing
0:14:22.860,0:14:28.380
that and uh
0:14:25.260,0:14:30.600
when I was uh 21 years old my dad was
0:14:28.380,0:14:33.120
killed in an industrial accident
0:14:30.600,0:14:36.540
and he was 47.
0:14:33.120,0:14:38.820
and even though I was an adult at 21 I
0:14:36.540,0:14:40.680
felt like a kid learned that my dad had
0:14:38.820,0:14:43.800
been killed it was it was pretty tough
0:14:40.680,0:14:46.940
yeah and it was hard for me to hunt and
0:14:43.800,0:14:50.519
fish for a couple of years
0:14:46.940,0:14:54.420
I just missed him so much and
0:14:50.519,0:14:58.019
I I kind of fell away from all that and
0:14:54.420,0:14:59.519
at one point I realized that the dad
0:14:58.019,0:15:02.279
would want me to still hunt and fish
0:14:59.519,0:15:05.160
that you know that's probably where I
0:15:02.279,0:15:09.060
would connect with him the most
0:15:05.160,0:15:11.220
and so I got back to it and uh got back
0:15:09.060,0:15:13.139
to fly fishing which is something he
0:15:11.220,0:15:15.899
taught us to do real young
0:15:13.139,0:15:18.899
but Kyle hunting was kicking my butt and
0:15:15.899,0:15:21.180
I was not having any success
0:15:18.899,0:15:23.699
and the reason was because I didn't pay
0:15:21.180,0:15:27.120
attention dad would tell me where to sit
0:15:23.699,0:15:29.220
he had a pair of wooden dowels that were
0:15:27.120,0:15:30.720
lashed together with some leather that
0:15:29.220,0:15:34.260
he used to shooting sticks you know
0:15:30.720,0:15:37.139
you're right um these are like very
0:15:34.260,0:15:39.899
early early versions Swagger bipods you
0:15:37.139,0:15:42.740
know right right and uh good point to
0:15:39.899,0:15:45.839
where I should sit and I'd sit down and
0:15:42.740,0:15:47.639
and I would just shoot whatever he
0:15:45.839,0:15:48.959
called in and I didn't realize that he
0:15:47.639,0:15:50.760
was you know
0:15:48.959,0:15:53.880
sitting me somewhere to break up my
0:15:50.760,0:15:55.440
outline and he was pointing you know me
0:15:53.880,0:15:59.339
in the Direction with the wind in my
0:15:55.440,0:16:02.100
face and I just went into autopilot and
0:15:59.339,0:16:03.720
did what he told me right right it took
0:16:02.100,0:16:05.639
me a while to figure out
0:16:03.720,0:16:09.899
he was doing everything for a reason
0:16:05.639,0:16:12.480
right you know like uh like a dumb kid I
0:16:09.899,0:16:14.459
just assumed dad would always be around
0:16:12.480,0:16:17.399
and
0:16:14.459,0:16:20.279
when uh when he was gone I had to
0:16:17.399,0:16:23.040
relearn how to hug coyotes yep
0:16:20.279,0:16:26.279
and those were the dog days for me when
0:16:23.040,0:16:28.079
I really struggled and had to go back to
0:16:26.279,0:16:31.139
the drawing board and figure out what
0:16:28.079,0:16:32.160
was going on and at that time
0:16:31.139,0:16:35.399
um
0:16:32.160,0:16:36.720
I found a Randy Anderson VHS calling all
0:16:35.399,0:16:40.860
coyotes
0:16:36.720,0:16:43.680
and just started watching Randy's vhs's
0:16:40.860,0:16:45.720
and paying attention to what he was
0:16:43.680,0:16:47.940
doing and you know he's a pretty good
0:16:45.720,0:16:50.639
teacher I think he was a band teacher
0:16:47.940,0:16:53.519
actually at one point and so he kind of
0:16:50.639,0:16:55.440
talks through what he's doing and I just
0:16:53.519,0:16:57.899
paid attention and started doing that
0:16:55.440,0:17:01.920
and at the same time I'm like well
0:16:57.899,0:17:02.820
I think I could film too so I bought a
0:17:01.920,0:17:05.040
uh
0:17:02.820,0:17:06.299
little Canon camera
0:17:05.040,0:17:09.600
um
0:17:06.299,0:17:13.319
and just an x820 I think is what it was
0:17:09.600,0:17:15.240
called and just started filming and it
0:17:13.319,0:17:18.600
turned into something pretty cool you
0:17:15.240,0:17:22.799
know I was able to to start putting
0:17:18.600,0:17:24.480
coyotes on film and start killing and
0:17:22.799,0:17:28.140
um I was working for a big game
0:17:24.480,0:17:29.640
Outfitter doing big game hunts and I
0:17:28.140,0:17:31.440
started uh
0:17:29.640,0:17:33.840
you know when you go on a big game hunt
0:17:31.440,0:17:36.660
you have one tag for the Hunter and if
0:17:33.840,0:17:39.480
he tags out on day two he's gonna sit in
0:17:36.660,0:17:42.480
the cabin in his flannels and play cards
0:17:39.480,0:17:44.520
until he flies back home or whatever but
0:17:42.480,0:17:47.520
that wasn't me so I was sneaking out
0:17:44.520,0:17:49.679
morning evening and calling coyotes yep
0:17:47.520,0:17:53.039
and they caught on to what I was doing
0:17:49.679,0:17:55.080
and started tagging along and then
0:17:53.039,0:17:57.840
they started calling me in the off
0:17:55.080,0:17:59.460
season and said hey we had so much fun
0:17:57.840,0:18:01.980
hunting coyotes we want to come back
0:17:59.460,0:18:06.660
right book a hunt to do that
0:18:01.980,0:18:10.980
yeah so I I was working for an Outfitter
0:18:06.660,0:18:13.500
and he he wasn't super honest he uh I
0:18:10.980,0:18:14.940
had a guy called to book a hunt and he's
0:18:13.500,0:18:17.520
like I want you to take him to this
0:18:14.940,0:18:19.860
property drive him around and show him
0:18:17.520,0:18:21.419
you know show him a good time and call
0:18:19.860,0:18:24.179
coyotes and
0:18:21.419,0:18:26.460
I said well the problem is there's no
0:18:24.179,0:18:28.380
coyotes on that property that time of
0:18:26.460,0:18:30.419
year the snow's too deep and he's like
0:18:28.380,0:18:33.240
well he won't know that just take him up
0:18:30.419,0:18:35.820
there and so I got a hold of the Hunter
0:18:33.240,0:18:38.100
and I said hey he's trying to kind of
0:18:35.820,0:18:40.559
screw you over he wants me to take you
0:18:38.100,0:18:42.720
to a ranch that doesn't have coyotes and
0:18:40.559,0:18:44.700
just drive you around for three days and
0:18:42.720,0:18:47.400
take your money yeah
0:18:44.700,0:18:50.340
and I said I would you know do what you
0:18:47.400,0:18:52.380
can to get a refund from them so
0:18:50.340,0:18:55.080
he said well thank you I appreciate the
0:18:52.380,0:18:56.940
info he got a refund called me back and
0:18:55.080,0:18:58.140
he said hey do you know a place where we
0:18:56.940,0:19:01.380
can go
0:18:58.140,0:19:03.480
and I'm like absolutely yeah and he said
0:19:01.380,0:19:05.580
well I got this time off and spent all
0:19:03.480,0:19:07.080
this money and you know I got money
0:19:05.580,0:19:08.400
burner hole in my pocket I want to kill
0:19:07.080,0:19:10.919
coyote so
0:19:08.400,0:19:12.360
he came out anyway I quit working for
0:19:10.919,0:19:16.140
the Outfitter
0:19:12.360,0:19:18.840
and we uh that was my first guided
0:19:16.140,0:19:22.320
coyote hunt you know 20 years ago right
0:19:18.840,0:19:24.840
right and we had good success and a ton
0:19:22.320,0:19:27.780
of fun and and that's kind of what
0:19:24.840,0:19:29.880
started Predator Strike Force and right
0:19:27.780,0:19:32.100
taking guys out and teaching them how to
0:19:29.880,0:19:33.200
hunt coyotes and filming and
0:19:32.100,0:19:36.419
yeah
0:19:33.200,0:19:39.000
took one of our mutual friends uh Tim
0:19:36.419,0:19:40.860
Spike Davis yeah it was probably a year
0:19:39.000,0:19:43.860
ago or something like that maybe yeah
0:19:40.860,0:19:47.340
it's been at least uh probably 10 12
0:19:43.860,0:19:49.080
years ago Tim was Jim was actually uh
0:19:47.340,0:19:51.240
drawing cartoons for Frederick stream
0:19:49.080,0:19:53.940
and I was right in the column
0:19:51.240,0:19:57.780
I had a calling named caller For Hire
0:19:53.940,0:20:00.240
that I was writing at every month and
0:19:57.780,0:20:03.500
Tim and I hooked up and he came out hung
0:20:00.240,0:20:06.980
with me oh man he is such a cracker yeah
0:20:03.500,0:20:09.840
Tim's a good and that's for sure yeah
0:20:06.980,0:20:12.419
but we we definitely had a good time but
0:20:09.840,0:20:14.700
I've taken a lot of people hunting over
0:20:12.419,0:20:16.980
the years and
0:20:14.700,0:20:19.799
um I probably have still to this day I
0:20:16.980,0:20:22.440
probably have 200 plus kills on video
0:20:19.799,0:20:25.020
yeah um but I've never done anything
0:20:22.440,0:20:28.080
with I give the footage back to the
0:20:25.020,0:20:30.059
hunters right so they have this Memento
0:20:28.080,0:20:32.100
but I've never published it or done
0:20:30.059,0:20:34.919
anything with it it's just all sitting
0:20:32.100,0:20:36.419
on hard drives right right let's give
0:20:34.919,0:20:39.059
you something some old stuff in there
0:20:36.419,0:20:41.039
maybe something to look back on sometime
0:20:39.059,0:20:44.160
and relive that stuff it's pretty cool
0:20:41.039,0:20:47.220
to have that so sounds like it sounds
0:20:44.160,0:20:50.400
like you've been coyote calling for
0:20:47.220,0:20:53.280
what at least 40 45 years
0:20:50.400,0:20:54.059
well I turned 46 this week
0:20:53.280,0:20:57.380
um
0:20:54.059,0:21:02.160
I tried to make you say like you do 50s
0:20:57.380,0:21:05.340
I'm not quite that old but uh yeah I
0:21:02.160,0:21:08.220
actually uh I've probably been calling
0:21:05.340,0:21:09.539
for you know 30 39 you said you killed
0:21:08.220,0:21:12.419
what killed you first when it's seven
0:21:09.539,0:21:14.760
years old so 39 years yeah well see I
0:21:12.419,0:21:18.059
went too far off so you were all over 40
0:21:14.760,0:21:19.200
anyway don't Edge me up my beard ages me
0:21:18.059,0:21:22.080
already
0:21:19.200,0:21:23.700
went real gray in the last few years you
0:21:22.080,0:21:25.100
had to start brushing some stuff into
0:21:23.700,0:21:27.020
that
0:21:25.100,0:21:29.400
absolutely
0:21:27.020,0:21:32.280
we always talk we was talking about the
0:21:29.400,0:21:33.780
Wolves earlier Tom I mentioned that I
0:21:32.280,0:21:36.539
know you've got some experience with
0:21:33.780,0:21:38.400
that that's kind of what brought the if
0:21:36.539,0:21:41.520
I remember correctly that's kind of what
0:21:38.400,0:21:44.400
kind of gave birth to the beard that you
0:21:41.520,0:21:46.440
wear so famously now but uh tell us a
0:21:44.400,0:21:47.700
little bit uh about what wolf College
0:21:46.440,0:21:49.080
how many how many wolves have you
0:21:47.700,0:21:51.240
actually caught in Tom I know you've
0:21:49.080,0:21:55.380
killed at least one you called in right
0:21:51.240,0:21:59.520
yeah I I've called in uh
0:21:55.380,0:22:02.940
at least seven at this point saving
0:21:59.520,0:22:04.919
rules um it's awesome it's amazing it's
0:22:02.940,0:22:07.620
funny the first wolf I called in I
0:22:04.919,0:22:10.380
called in by accident I was hunting with
0:22:07.620,0:22:12.780
a guy from PA he came out to to do a
0:22:10.380,0:22:14.580
coyote hunt with me yeah
0:22:12.780,0:22:17.820
and uh
0:22:14.580,0:22:19.980
we were in Montana calling and
0:22:17.820,0:22:22.919
about to break stand
0:22:19.980,0:22:25.799
and he's like
0:22:22.919,0:22:28.320
did you see that coyote out there and
0:22:25.799,0:22:31.140
this was back before either one of us
0:22:28.320,0:22:32.280
had rangefinders it's been 15 20 years
0:22:31.140,0:22:35.940
ago
0:22:32.280,0:22:39.299
and uh I'm like oh yeah and there's a
0:22:35.940,0:22:42.360
coyote out there sitting on his butt
0:22:39.299,0:22:45.120
and we gassed on yardage and he's like I
0:22:42.360,0:22:48.659
think he's 400 you know
0:22:45.120,0:22:52.020
he uh he pulls up the gun and
0:22:48.659,0:22:54.059
she he's shooting the 20 tactical uh I
0:22:52.020,0:22:56.580
think it's called the 20 tactical which
0:22:54.059,0:22:58.860
is real similar to a 204 yeah I know
0:22:56.580,0:23:01.919
exactly what that is yep great coyote
0:22:58.860,0:23:04.500
now yep but uh
0:23:01.919,0:23:07.020
he's guessing it's 400 yards sitting
0:23:04.500,0:23:09.179
there and he shoots and he's about eight
0:23:07.020,0:23:12.480
feet in front of it
0:23:09.179,0:23:15.840
and it gets up and starts loping off and
0:23:12.480,0:23:17.100
it's a gray wolf a young a young gray
0:23:15.840,0:23:20.760
wolf
0:23:17.100,0:23:24.059
but we were uh really glad that he
0:23:20.760,0:23:25.620
missed first and foremost because it
0:23:24.059,0:23:28.020
wasn't something we were supposed to be
0:23:25.620,0:23:30.720
shooting though I see
0:23:28.020,0:23:32.580
but uh the reason he thought it was 400
0:23:30.720,0:23:37.679
yards is because we thought it was a
0:23:32.580,0:23:39.900
coyote and further off yeah and it was a
0:23:37.679,0:23:41.100
wolf and
0:23:39.900,0:23:43.260
um he
0:23:41.100,0:23:45.659
he just kind of loped up over the hill
0:23:43.260,0:23:49.080
and was gone but we called him in using
0:23:45.659,0:23:51.900
Kyle vocals really really and so that
0:23:49.080,0:23:53.280
got me thinking well if he'll come to
0:23:51.900,0:23:55.559
that
0:23:53.280,0:23:57.840
um maybe that's what I need to be
0:23:55.559,0:24:00.120
focusing on when I start calling wolves
0:23:57.840,0:24:02.039
so the next uh
0:24:00.120,0:24:02.640
the next season
0:24:02.039,0:24:05.280
um
0:24:02.640,0:24:07.260
I bought wolf tags
0:24:05.280,0:24:10.020
and
0:24:07.260,0:24:12.179
I just decided to set a goal for myself
0:24:10.020,0:24:14.220
if I'm gonna kill a wolf you know I want
0:24:12.179,0:24:16.140
something to remind me that I'm wolf
0:24:14.220,0:24:19.440
hunting every day and that's what I need
0:24:16.140,0:24:23.659
to be focusing on right so I decided my
0:24:19.440,0:24:23.659
dad used to grow a deer beard yeah
0:24:23.880,0:24:29.580
and hit shave it after he shot a buck
0:24:26.700,0:24:31.500
and yeah so I thought I'd have it for a
0:24:29.580,0:24:35.040
season or two
0:24:31.500,0:24:37.039
nope it stuck with you for years
0:24:35.040,0:24:39.659
[Laughter]
0:24:37.039,0:24:42.659
the first wolf that we called him and
0:24:39.659,0:24:44.580
killed was about four three years three
0:24:42.659,0:24:49.020
or four years after I started growing
0:24:44.580,0:24:51.780
the beard yep and I was filming and uh
0:24:49.020,0:24:55.380
I held it in with my voice
0:24:51.780,0:25:00.480
my cousin ended up shooting it
0:24:55.380,0:25:03.960
and we were pretty darn excited but we
0:25:00.480,0:25:06.960
chased wolves that season a bunch and
0:25:03.960,0:25:08.940
only called in one right and this and
0:25:06.960,0:25:12.539
this was three or four years after you
0:25:08.940,0:25:14.520
your first uh called wolf encounter yeah
0:25:12.539,0:25:16.799
right
0:25:14.520,0:25:18.960
and then and then we
0:25:16.799,0:25:21.120
um and then I started calling in wolves
0:25:18.960,0:25:24.179
like
0:25:21.120,0:25:27.539
almost I wouldn't say like
0:25:24.179,0:25:28.919
often but I would at least call in one
0:25:27.539,0:25:32.940
or two a year
0:25:28.919,0:25:36.600
and somebody would either
0:25:32.940,0:25:38.760
um have a shot or not have a shot or
0:25:36.600,0:25:39.480
whatever and
0:25:38.760,0:25:41.580
um
0:25:39.480,0:25:43.679
but you know I was figuring out how to
0:25:41.580,0:25:46.080
start calling them in
0:25:43.679,0:25:48.380
and uh
0:25:46.080,0:25:51.720
Al and I went out
0:25:48.380,0:25:54.720
and decided to film and we put seven
0:25:51.720,0:25:56.640
wolves on film in one day really I've
0:25:54.720,0:25:59.279
heard this story I've heard I've heard
0:25:56.640,0:26:02.820
now tell the story about this before and
0:25:59.279,0:26:06.740
it was uh it was a mess like
0:26:02.820,0:26:06.740
the very first spot we went to
0:26:07.020,0:26:13.559
such a strange thing we get to this area
0:26:10.380,0:26:15.960
and I I tell Al I'm gonna voice out
0:26:13.559,0:26:18.299
and he said let's just set up
0:26:15.960,0:26:20.240
and I said well the problem is Al if
0:26:18.299,0:26:22.860
they're not here we're wasting our time
0:26:20.240,0:26:24.659
and it's first thing in the morning we
0:26:22.860,0:26:28.020
want to make hey
0:26:24.659,0:26:29.940
so we get out and I voice out and I'm
0:26:28.020,0:26:31.200
waiting for a response and they never
0:26:29.940,0:26:34.380
answer
0:26:31.200,0:26:38.460
so I'm like okay let's move and the the
0:26:34.380,0:26:41.460
method that I use with hunting wolves is
0:26:38.460,0:26:43.620
it's similar to Kyle hunting but more
0:26:41.460,0:26:45.720
similar to Coyote locating than actually
0:26:43.620,0:26:51.419
kind of hunting
0:26:45.720,0:26:54.960
a wolf howl is so low and so quiet that
0:26:51.419,0:26:57.539
you can only hear him a half mile okay
0:26:54.960,0:26:59.580
but Kyle you can hear sometimes well
0:26:57.539,0:27:02.100
over a mile yeah yeah
0:26:59.580,0:27:04.679
but a wolf you will not hear it over a
0:27:02.100,0:27:07.919
half a mile even in the best calmest
0:27:04.679,0:27:10.200
conditions half a mile is is really far
0:27:07.919,0:27:12.059
to hear a wolf howl no I didn't I did
0:27:10.200,0:27:14.820
not did not know that didn't realize
0:27:12.059,0:27:16.620
that I've actually heard wolves how in
0:27:14.820,0:27:19.559
the Northeast and of course you know I I
0:27:16.620,0:27:21.480
hear it and it's like real low tone and
0:27:19.559,0:27:22.980
seems like it's forever away and I can
0:27:21.480,0:27:25.080
remember I was with my brother when when
0:27:22.980,0:27:26.700
I heard I was like man that's that's
0:27:25.080,0:27:28.559
wolves you know like you hear something
0:27:26.700,0:27:31.580
like what is it saying that's Wolves
0:27:28.559,0:27:35.279
yeah man they're forever away but
0:27:31.580,0:27:36.900
it was in a half mile sounds like they
0:27:35.279,0:27:38.400
were within a half mile if you heard
0:27:36.900,0:27:39.539
them they were within a half mile that's
0:27:38.400,0:27:41.940
crazy
0:27:39.539,0:27:43.860
and just different tone different pitch
0:27:41.940,0:27:44.940
you know it just doesn't travel as far
0:27:43.860,0:27:48.360
so
0:27:44.940,0:27:50.760
what we do is we will drive uh every
0:27:48.360,0:27:52.580
half mile get out and locate and then
0:27:50.760,0:27:55.980
when we get them to respond
0:27:52.580,0:27:58.020
we haven't really fix stuff so we'll
0:27:55.980,0:27:59.039
pull up Google Earth and look for a
0:27:58.020,0:28:01.740
clearing
0:27:59.039,0:28:03.480
somewhere close to us that we can get to
0:28:01.740,0:28:07.980
the edge of and try to get them to come
0:28:03.480,0:28:11.940
out across it right right so
0:28:07.980,0:28:14.100
we did this locate Nothing answered we
0:28:11.940,0:28:17.640
get back in the truck and we're driving
0:28:14.100,0:28:20.279
half a mile to the next spot and the
0:28:17.640,0:28:23.640
biggest wolf I've ever seen was coming
0:28:20.279,0:28:28.260
down the road to us oh my gosh coming to
0:28:23.640,0:28:31.080
the howl oh gosh and so we pile out of
0:28:28.260,0:28:33.480
the truck and we're getting guns and
0:28:31.080,0:28:36.240
trying to figure out how far he is and
0:28:33.480,0:28:40.140
I'm asking Al how far is it and he's
0:28:36.240,0:28:43.559
telling me he's 400 he's 400 and I shoot
0:28:40.140,0:28:46.980
and it's way low and I'm like Al how far
0:28:43.559,0:28:49.080
is he and he's like he's he's 400 and I
0:28:46.980,0:28:52.500
shoot again and it's way low
0:28:49.080,0:28:55.559
and so this wolf you know Lopes out of
0:28:52.500,0:28:57.419
our lives forever and when I say lope it
0:28:55.559,0:29:00.080
makes it sound like they're they're just
0:28:57.419,0:29:00.080
moving slow
0:29:00.260,0:29:07.200
when a wolf is on the lope he covers
0:29:03.360,0:29:10.260
ground faster than a coyote does at her
0:29:07.200,0:29:12.900
at a run right they're just they're
0:29:10.260,0:29:14.520
three times as big and they just move so
0:29:12.900,0:29:17.039
fast I've never seen something cover
0:29:14.520,0:29:19.919
ground so fast
0:29:17.039,0:29:22.320
and I look at Al and I'm like Al is your
0:29:19.919,0:29:24.539
Rangefinder broken and he's like oh [ __ ]
0:29:22.320,0:29:27.899
he had a rangefinder hanging around his
0:29:24.539,0:29:30.000
neck he didn't even use
0:29:27.899,0:29:32.039
I'm like what are you doing you're not
0:29:30.000,0:29:35.159
head I'm asking you for range and he's
0:29:32.039,0:29:36.260
like I'm I've just figured he was 400
0:29:35.159,0:29:39.600
yards
0:29:36.260,0:29:41.399
I Reigns coyotes all day long and well
0:29:39.600,0:29:43.919
that was the problem is he's used to
0:29:41.399,0:29:46.140
seeing coyotes three or four hundred
0:29:43.919,0:29:49.020
yards and no one size and everything
0:29:46.140,0:29:51.600
like that but you can't tell that with a
0:29:49.020,0:29:53.580
wolf unless you've done it a bunch so he
0:29:51.600,0:29:57.360
picks up his range finder he clicks it
0:29:53.580,0:30:00.480
over there 680 yards it was way further
0:29:57.360,0:30:02.580
400 you know right and we put their Jazz
0:30:00.480,0:30:03.539
listening from Back East is like well
0:30:02.580,0:30:05.340
man they should be able to pick
0:30:03.539,0:30:07.320
something else out the range listen if
0:30:05.340,0:30:08.940
you've never been out west it's a total
0:30:07.320,0:30:10.260
different ball game it is Eastern
0:30:08.940,0:30:12.360
Mississippi or even in the midwest
0:30:10.260,0:30:14.520
you're gonna have Sagebrush country and
0:30:12.360,0:30:16.320
at Mountain Country man you'll think
0:30:14.520,0:30:17.640
some even if there's no animal there and
0:30:16.320,0:30:20.100
you're just trying to guesstimate across
0:30:17.640,0:30:21.419
a canyon or whatever man it's tough to
0:30:20.100,0:30:24.120
do if you're not used to it if you don't
0:30:21.419,0:30:26.580
have the eye for it well in this area
0:30:24.120,0:30:29.399
that we're at is Sagebrush Flats but it
0:30:26.580,0:30:31.740
gets five or six feet snow and it was
0:30:29.399,0:30:34.080
that's what it was that day it's just
0:30:31.740,0:30:35.760
snow and nothing I don't look at besides
0:30:34.080,0:30:39.120
snow and maybe an animal that comes out
0:30:35.760,0:30:41.100
right yep that's it so you're you're
0:30:39.120,0:30:43.559
just basically you're guessing you know
0:30:41.100,0:30:45.600
if you were to look across the sea and
0:30:43.559,0:30:47.399
try and guess how far right you know
0:30:45.600,0:30:50.880
something is floating out there yeah
0:30:47.399,0:30:53.760
it's about like that yeah
0:30:50.880,0:30:56.340
so uh that wolf was actually coming you
0:30:53.760,0:30:58.559
all jumped out to to try to locate new
0:30:56.340,0:31:01.559
mouth out and then when y'all was fixing
0:30:58.559,0:31:04.380
to go on it's you saw the one was coming
0:31:01.559,0:31:07.380
he was coming to the house if we'd have
0:31:04.380,0:31:10.740
sat you know put our butts in the snow
0:31:07.380,0:31:14.039
where we were it had been in within you
0:31:10.740,0:31:15.480
know 15 probably 15 minutes and we'd
0:31:14.039,0:31:18.360
have probably killed them at 100 yards
0:31:15.480,0:31:20.700
oh my gosh that's a heartbreaker there
0:31:18.360,0:31:23.340
but that that's the way it goes you know
0:31:20.700,0:31:25.500
and then we go down the road further and
0:31:23.340,0:31:27.240
we howl because we know there's more
0:31:25.500,0:31:28.500
wolves in there mountain is going to be
0:31:27.240,0:31:30.179
just one you know when you're talking
0:31:28.500,0:31:31.679
about wolves usually unless it's a
0:31:30.179,0:31:35.640
transient or something there's there's a
0:31:31.679,0:31:37.260
pack there right yeah yep and we get a
0:31:35.640,0:31:39.779
response
0:31:37.260,0:31:42.960
and so we start moving in
0:31:39.779,0:31:45.360
and as we walk in we find where they had
0:31:42.960,0:31:49.080
slept that night there were warm wolf
0:31:45.360,0:31:53.399
beds melted in the snow with their fur
0:31:49.080,0:31:55.320
still in it and tracks and we I I assume
0:31:53.399,0:31:58.200
that we had bumped him out coming into
0:31:55.320,0:32:00.600
to locate and they answered us as they
0:31:58.200,0:32:02.220
were leaving so then we start then we
0:32:00.600,0:32:06.120
started chasing them
0:32:02.220,0:32:07.860
not like not like as fast as we can go
0:32:06.120,0:32:10.740
because we're going we're going through
0:32:07.860,0:32:12.659
deep snow and things like that but we
0:32:10.740,0:32:14.820
ended up catching up to him like five or
0:32:12.659,0:32:16.820
six hours later and there was a pack of
0:32:14.820,0:32:21.260
seven of them oh man
0:32:16.820,0:32:24.179
and again it was like
0:32:21.260,0:32:26.279
we're not in a as soon as we see him
0:32:24.179,0:32:29.399
we're not in a position to call they're
0:32:26.279,0:32:32.460
already running and they're scattering
0:32:29.399,0:32:36.679
everywhere and Al just gets out and just
0:32:32.460,0:32:39.899
starts blazing at him with his 243 and
0:32:36.679,0:32:41.640
doesn't touch any of them and I'm just
0:32:39.899,0:32:43.760
laughing and the camera guy's like we
0:32:41.640,0:32:48.020
can't use any of this footage
0:32:43.760,0:32:48.020
Al's never seen a shot he didn't like
0:32:50.720,0:32:55.679
he is not afraid to shoot that horn to
0:32:53.399,0:32:57.600
the animal he will shoot a case in the
0:32:55.679,0:32:59.940
hunt if he has to
0:32:57.600,0:33:01.380
I bet just like I said there's lead in
0:32:59.940,0:33:03.740
the air there's danger you never know
0:33:01.380,0:33:06.960
want to connect
0:33:03.740,0:33:08.940
yeah so he'll he'll shoot all the ammo
0:33:06.960,0:33:11.340
and just tell Neil Davies hey Neil send
0:33:08.940,0:33:14.640
more BBS we need more ammo
0:33:11.340,0:33:17.340
but uh that that was just one of those
0:33:14.640,0:33:19.679
trips that we just we saw so many wolves
0:33:17.340,0:33:22.500
and yeah uh just couldn't get anything
0:33:19.679,0:33:24.480
killed everything was fighting against
0:33:22.500,0:33:26.460
us and I think you guys have got a trip
0:33:24.480,0:33:28.500
planned here a few months to go try
0:33:26.460,0:33:31.980
wolves again up to you now
0:33:28.500,0:33:34.140
yeah we do yeah we've we've learned a
0:33:31.980,0:33:35.580
lot too one thing I've learned about
0:33:34.140,0:33:37.559
wolves
0:33:35.580,0:33:39.899
they don't like to turn around
0:33:37.559,0:33:42.179
like they get headed a direction they've
0:33:39.899,0:33:45.059
kind of on a mission I guess yeah they
0:33:42.179,0:33:46.860
do they'll uh they'll be headed into an
0:33:45.059,0:33:49.140
area and if you're behind them you're
0:33:46.860,0:33:51.779
gonna be behind them gonna stop oh man
0:33:49.140,0:33:53.820
all day they do not like to turn around
0:33:51.779,0:33:56.159
and come back to where they've already
0:33:53.820,0:33:58.200
been well let me ask you this say you
0:33:56.159,0:34:01.559
say you jump you said you like to locate
0:33:58.200,0:34:03.840
so like you'll you'll jump out and howl
0:34:01.559,0:34:07.500
nothing answers you move a half a mile
0:34:03.840,0:34:10.379
or so try it again if say this scenario
0:34:07.500,0:34:12.300
plays out say you get into an area you
0:34:10.379,0:34:14.820
jump out and boom
0:34:12.300,0:34:17.220
wolves howl back and they're in the
0:34:14.820,0:34:19.379
perfect spot for you to say hey we got
0:34:17.220,0:34:21.960
time to get set up get this thought out
0:34:19.379,0:34:24.000
what we need to do what does a stand
0:34:21.960,0:34:26.820
actually look like I mean when I say
0:34:24.000,0:34:28.740
that what is a calling sequence look
0:34:26.820,0:34:30.119
like what sound what type of sounds are
0:34:28.740,0:34:32.879
you going to run through that type of
0:34:30.119,0:34:35.399
stuff yeah so the wolf that I actually
0:34:32.879,0:34:36.480
ended up killing that that's exactly
0:34:35.399,0:34:38.639
what happened
0:34:36.480,0:34:42.359
I'm going down this road I have a buddy
0:34:38.639,0:34:45.480
with me and we get out and we howl every
0:34:42.359,0:34:48.599
half a mile and about 8 30 in the
0:34:45.480,0:34:52.320
morning we howl and they answer and
0:34:48.599,0:34:54.419
they're close like five to eight hundred
0:34:52.320,0:34:57.920
yards away is all
0:34:54.419,0:35:01.380
and there's a clearing about 100 yards
0:34:57.920,0:35:05.040
from us that we can see and set up on a
0:35:01.380,0:35:08.880
fence line and so we're like we got to
0:35:05.040,0:35:12.000
go now so we grab our call we grab our
0:35:08.880,0:35:13.920
guns and we go and we set up on this
0:35:12.000,0:35:15.560
fence line
0:35:13.920,0:35:18.780
and
0:35:15.560,0:35:21.359
the best sound that I've found for
0:35:18.780,0:35:23.280
wolves and this sounds really stupid and
0:35:21.359,0:35:25.079
people are going to laugh at me about it
0:35:23.280,0:35:27.660
but the best sound that I found for
0:35:25.079,0:35:29.880
wolves is Ravens and magpies
0:35:27.660,0:35:32.220
okay and the reason why if you ever see
0:35:29.880,0:35:34.560
a wolf in the wild you will see Ravens
0:35:32.220,0:35:37.500
and magpies with him every single time
0:35:34.560,0:35:40.260
they thought they followed them around
0:35:37.500,0:35:42.359
just like you know just like a pet yeah
0:35:40.260,0:35:44.160
and that's because they know that the
0:35:42.359,0:35:46.020
wolves are always going to be finding
0:35:44.160,0:35:47.400
carry on or killing something and
0:35:46.020,0:35:50.160
they'll always have something to eat
0:35:47.400,0:35:53.640
yeah exactly yeah it makes sense
0:35:50.160,0:35:57.420
so if you ever watch footage from let's
0:35:53.640,0:36:00.240
say Yellowstone Park you'll never see uh
0:35:57.420,0:36:03.599
wool footage without Ravens in it or
0:36:00.240,0:36:05.579
magpies they're just always around and
0:36:03.599,0:36:07.800
it gives them comfort and it creates a
0:36:05.579,0:36:11.760
sense of urgency they think if you know
0:36:07.800,0:36:13.500
if a raven flock is eating whatever it
0:36:11.760,0:36:16.619
is they're eating there may be nothing
0:36:13.500,0:36:19.020
left if they wait right so I always
0:36:16.619,0:36:21.420
start out with Ravens and magpies just
0:36:19.020,0:36:23.640
to calm the area down and just to say
0:36:21.420,0:36:26.160
hey there's something interesting over
0:36:23.640,0:36:28.140
here that you should you know start this
0:36:26.160,0:36:29.820
way right and they're and they're used
0:36:28.140,0:36:31.500
to those hands if they're if they're
0:36:29.820,0:36:33.359
cleaning on them at all times they hear
0:36:31.500,0:36:34.859
it all the time they hear it they hear
0:36:33.359,0:36:37.619
it all day every day
0:36:34.859,0:36:39.599
so that's what I always start with
0:36:37.619,0:36:42.240
um and I'll play that I'll play Ravens
0:36:39.599,0:36:45.420
and magpies off and on for
0:36:42.240,0:36:49.140
probably four three or four minutes
0:36:45.420,0:36:52.500
and then I'll do a Hal of Kyle Hal
0:36:49.140,0:36:54.180
and my my theory behind that is Ravens
0:36:52.500,0:36:55.920
and magpies have found something to eat
0:36:54.180,0:36:58.140
and now there's a coyote there and
0:36:55.920,0:36:59.700
wolves hate coyotes they'll kill them
0:36:58.140,0:37:01.920
they'll stretch and they'll tear them
0:36:59.700,0:37:04.800
apart right if they get an opportunity
0:37:01.920,0:37:06.900
to and they will certainly try to run
0:37:04.800,0:37:08.400
them off every chance they get I mean
0:37:06.900,0:37:12.660
they're competing for the same food
0:37:08.400,0:37:15.180
source exactly and so I will do a Kyle
0:37:12.660,0:37:18.839
Hal and if that doesn't do anything I'll
0:37:15.180,0:37:21.420
do a coyote group or a pair and then
0:37:18.839,0:37:25.380
I'll start doing some fights um
0:37:21.420,0:37:27.720
and I like any of the fights you know
0:37:25.380,0:37:29.400
um like you're talking coyote fights
0:37:27.720,0:37:32.460
yeah
0:37:29.400,0:37:33.720
um I will wolf howl
0:37:32.460,0:37:36.180
um
0:37:33.720,0:37:37.740
the lone wolf on Fox Pro works pretty
0:37:36.180,0:37:38.520
good
0:37:37.740,0:37:41.940
um
0:37:38.520,0:37:44.099
but I think it's also
0:37:41.940,0:37:48.900
we're used to calling coyotes and we
0:37:44.099,0:37:52.200
play things at Volume 15 you know and I
0:37:48.900,0:37:54.180
think that's too loud for a wolf okay if
0:37:52.200,0:37:56.880
you're if you're doing a wolf howl you
0:37:54.180,0:37:59.220
gotta crank it way down I see and and
0:37:56.880,0:38:01.140
that's why I like to use my voice a lot
0:37:59.220,0:38:04.380
because I control the volume a lot
0:38:01.140,0:38:08.400
better and it's not too loud I got you
0:38:04.380,0:38:12.180
so I'll do a wolf howl uh Lone Wolf and
0:38:08.400,0:38:14.160
then usually if a wolf is coming he's
0:38:12.180,0:38:15.480
going to be there in 15 to 20 minutes
0:38:14.160,0:38:16.200
okay
0:38:15.480,0:38:18.780
um
0:38:16.200,0:38:22.440
just like your Kyle the best
0:38:18.780,0:38:25.560
this uh prey distress sound for wolves
0:38:22.440,0:38:27.480
is adult Cottontail and I don't know why
0:38:25.560,0:38:31.680
but you um you've called him into adult
0:38:27.480,0:38:35.040
Cottontail a bunch yeah that's the sound
0:38:31.680,0:38:37.800
that seems to just get them going I
0:38:35.040,0:38:39.839
haven't had any luck with Jackrabbit
0:38:37.800,0:38:43.260
which doesn't make any sense I haven't
0:38:39.839,0:38:45.420
had any any luck with bird sounds
0:38:43.260,0:38:48.000
um and I've even I thought elk calf
0:38:45.420,0:38:49.500
distress was gonna be a killer you think
0:38:48.000,0:38:52.140
they trip over themselves trying to get
0:38:49.500,0:38:54.720
to help calf yeah and I've never called
0:38:52.140,0:38:56.760
in a wolf without calf distress which is
0:38:54.720,0:38:59.460
just mind-boggling to me but adult
0:38:56.760,0:39:01.140
Cottontail for some reason just gets
0:38:59.460,0:39:04.140
them fired up and maybe it's just the
0:39:01.140,0:39:06.300
area I'm hunting or whatever but right
0:39:04.140,0:39:08.460
but that's that those are the the
0:39:06.300,0:39:11.160
primary sounds I use
0:39:08.460,0:39:16.020
um Ravens and magpies or you know
0:39:11.160,0:39:18.000
corvids I use some coyote vocals just
0:39:16.020,0:39:20.400
some uh
0:39:18.000,0:39:24.900
you know a single coyote like female
0:39:20.400,0:39:28.380
Sore house or yep even Kyle Papa and
0:39:24.900,0:39:30.720
then you know Kyle pear or uh coyote
0:39:28.380,0:39:32.760
group and you know so basically what
0:39:30.720,0:39:36.119
you're doing if you get caught or a
0:39:32.760,0:39:37.320
wolves located you're in initially just
0:39:36.119,0:39:40.320
making
0:39:37.320,0:39:42.300
a coyote stand pretty much with a lot of
0:39:40.320,0:39:45.540
vocal action and just trying to place
0:39:42.300,0:39:47.520
coyotes in on in an area where they have
0:39:45.540,0:39:49.020
caught something or they they have been
0:39:47.520,0:39:51.900
predating on something and then the
0:39:49.020,0:39:54.300
magpies and Ravens coming in there and
0:39:51.900,0:39:57.060
it it draws wolves in
0:39:54.300,0:40:00.500
yeah the only exception is the wolf howl
0:39:57.060,0:40:03.000
and I'll I'll only do a couple of those
0:40:00.500,0:40:05.940
and pan them you know three different
0:40:03.000,0:40:09.240
directions two or three of them and then
0:40:05.940,0:40:10.560
just be quiet and that's what seems to
0:40:09.240,0:40:12.720
work so
0:40:10.560,0:40:15.300
I called in
0:40:12.720,0:40:17.220
um this this particular one this we see
0:40:15.300,0:40:18.300
this black wolf coming through the
0:40:17.220,0:40:21.240
timber
0:40:18.300,0:40:24.480
it's got a white Crest on his chest and
0:40:21.240,0:40:27.720
it's not it's not coming hard but it's
0:40:24.480,0:40:29.240
definitely you know coming right to us
0:40:27.720,0:40:31.920
and
0:40:29.240,0:40:33.780
I'm all set up ready to go and I'm
0:40:31.920,0:40:35.700
thinking this is the this is the wolf
0:40:33.780,0:40:36.839
that I'm gonna kill it's it's a done
0:40:35.700,0:40:38.520
deal
0:40:36.839,0:40:41.940
and
0:40:38.520,0:40:46.079
I hear behind me a truck on the Gravel
0:40:41.940,0:40:48.780
Road oh no and it sounds really close
0:40:46.079,0:40:52.320
and I'm like that is not good and I turn
0:40:48.780,0:40:55.220
around and the truck luckily goes by but
0:40:52.320,0:40:57.359
I can see my pickup with the Sun but
0:40:55.220,0:41:00.780
glaring off the window
0:40:57.359,0:41:03.540
just not very far behind me
0:41:00.780,0:41:05.160
because we got out we held and they were
0:41:03.540,0:41:08.940
right there and that was where we had to
0:41:05.160,0:41:12.000
set up right right now I'm thinking
0:41:08.940,0:41:14.099
that wolf clears that chamber he's going
0:41:12.000,0:41:15.720
to see my truck
0:41:14.099,0:41:17.700
and so I tell my buddy I'm gonna stop
0:41:15.720,0:41:19.740
him I'm going to stop him
0:41:17.700,0:41:22.980
and as soon as he gets to the edge of
0:41:19.740,0:41:24.980
the Timber I just woof with my voice
0:41:22.980,0:41:28.740
like you stop with Kyle
0:41:24.980,0:41:31.800
he stops perfect facing me I have a
0:41:28.740,0:41:35.220
frontal shot and I squeeze the trigger
0:41:31.800,0:41:38.160
and I see uh Pine bow deflect right in
0:41:35.220,0:41:40.020
front of it oh gosh and the Wolf turns
0:41:38.160,0:41:42.500
around and
0:41:40.020,0:41:45.660
runs out of my life
0:41:42.500,0:41:48.359
you got to be kidding me
0:41:45.660,0:41:53.160
and of course my buddy's like what in
0:41:48.359,0:41:55.859
the heck did you just do right right so
0:41:53.160,0:41:58.500
we go looking because I want to make
0:41:55.859,0:42:00.119
sure that you know I didn't somehow hit
0:41:58.500,0:42:02.099
it and
0:42:00.119,0:42:04.320
no blood
0:42:02.099,0:42:06.720
um nothing and I'm just beating down
0:42:04.320,0:42:09.060
heartbroken I can't imagine I can't
0:42:06.720,0:42:12.060
imagine it's like calling in a
0:42:09.060,0:42:13.740
it's like getting a chance at a 200 and
0:42:12.060,0:42:15.540
10 inch deer
0:42:13.740,0:42:17.940
and nope
0:42:15.540,0:42:20.579
keep in mind it was it was a young wolf
0:42:17.940,0:42:23.820
oh it don't matter it's a wolf yeah
0:42:20.579,0:42:27.240
exactly right it's it's not like a big
0:42:23.820,0:42:30.720
120 130 pound wolf but it did not matter
0:42:27.240,0:42:34.680
it was a black wolf but I had called in
0:42:30.720,0:42:38.760
and I botched it and I was just like I
0:42:34.680,0:42:40.380
was sick I called all my buddies hey I
0:42:38.760,0:42:43.920
caught in a wolf but guess what happened
0:42:40.380,0:42:46.740
I blew the shot of the opportunity of a
0:42:43.920,0:42:49.320
lifetime yeah well luckily I had my good
0:42:46.740,0:42:51.480
friend that was with me is very upbeat
0:42:49.320,0:42:54.660
and positive and
0:42:51.480,0:42:57.000
hey Mr Wolf later that day
0:42:54.660,0:43:00.900
um in a totally different area
0:42:57.000,0:43:04.859
and so he's like okay we've both had
0:43:00.900,0:43:07.319
opportunities that we've screwed up but
0:43:04.859,0:43:09.359
let's keep hunting because we're on them
0:43:07.319,0:43:11.520
we got it you know we got it figured out
0:43:09.359,0:43:12.599
now we just gotta kill him yeah he said
0:43:11.520,0:43:14.099
he finally said it's time to quit
0:43:12.599,0:43:16.319
screwing around it's time to get serious
0:43:14.099,0:43:19.020
let's kill yeah
0:43:16.319,0:43:21.599
so we just we decided we're gonna go
0:43:19.020,0:43:23.940
back to where I missed mine and not the
0:43:21.599,0:43:26.400
same clearing but we're going to choose
0:43:23.940,0:43:30.060
a clearing about a mile from there
0:43:26.400,0:43:32.099
because when we howl when we located we
0:43:30.060,0:43:34.079
heard at least two wolves and we only
0:43:32.099,0:43:36.060
called in one right
0:43:34.079,0:43:40.380
so we're like maybe the one that didn't
0:43:36.060,0:43:42.599
get called in will come or whatever
0:43:40.380,0:43:45.540
and
0:43:42.599,0:43:47.760
I was talking to a buddy that spends a
0:43:45.540,0:43:50.760
ton of time up here and he's like
0:43:47.760,0:43:54.119
there's a there's a family that has four
0:43:50.760,0:43:55.920
had four black pups in it
0:43:54.119,0:43:57.780
um a couple years ago and I'm sure
0:43:55.920,0:44:00.180
that's the family that you're chasing
0:43:57.780,0:44:02.339
over there so
0:44:00.180,0:44:06.839
he's like they're still in that area you
0:44:02.339,0:44:09.359
go back and so we went back and we
0:44:06.839,0:44:11.700
sat up on this big clearing this is a
0:44:09.359,0:44:15.060
big clearing we can see 400 yards
0:44:11.700,0:44:16.740
instead of like 30 or 40 yards
0:44:15.060,0:44:18.839
and uh
0:44:16.740,0:44:22.619
again we started out with Ravens and
0:44:18.839,0:44:24.599
magpies I how was my voice and we're not
0:44:22.619,0:44:27.300
there five minutes and I see a black
0:44:24.599,0:44:29.940
wolfing across the clearing about 300
0:44:27.300,0:44:31.500
yards out oh man I'm sure when you see
0:44:29.940,0:44:34.619
that site you're talking about your
0:44:31.500,0:44:37.380
heart racing yep my buddy can't get a
0:44:34.619,0:44:39.900
shot and I swing over there
0:44:37.380,0:44:43.740
um I'm self filming I have a
0:44:39.900,0:44:47.220
video camera set up on the tripod that
0:44:43.740,0:44:50.280
I'm using as a rest right so it points
0:44:47.220,0:44:52.319
right down the barrel okay okay and so I
0:44:50.280,0:44:57.599
just press record I swing the tripod
0:44:52.319,0:45:01.800
over there I howl it stops and I'm like
0:44:57.599,0:45:04.800
as solid as I can be and I pull the
0:45:01.800,0:45:07.560
trigger and I watched the impact through
0:45:04.800,0:45:10.319
the scope it like double lungs it
0:45:07.560,0:45:13.140
perfect shot and that wolf starts
0:45:10.319,0:45:15.780
spinning yup doing doing death spins
0:45:13.140,0:45:18.420
right like we've seen any cows do a
0:45:15.780,0:45:21.180
hundred times yep uh Jack another round
0:45:18.420,0:45:23.339
in and by then it lines out and it heads
0:45:21.180,0:45:25.619
into the dark Timber as fast as it can
0:45:23.339,0:45:28.380
go oh man then your heart sank so you're
0:45:25.619,0:45:30.060
like highest of highs now you're now
0:45:28.380,0:45:33.480
you're getting worried I'm sure I would
0:45:30.060,0:45:35.819
be yep I was and my buddy's like that
0:45:33.480,0:45:38.280
was a great shot that that's a dead wolf
0:45:35.819,0:45:41.339
and I'm like I agree that's a dead wolf
0:45:38.280,0:45:43.560
but will we find it right right you know
0:45:41.339,0:45:45.240
was there snow on the ground or no there
0:45:43.560,0:45:47.339
was no there was no snow it was like
0:45:45.240,0:45:49.980
September okay like end of September
0:45:47.339,0:45:51.420
yeah okay and so these are just starting
0:45:49.980,0:45:55.020
to change and
0:45:51.420,0:45:58.859
and so now we're uh now we're panicked
0:45:55.020,0:46:03.359
and we we go and we find a blood trail
0:45:58.859,0:46:06.839
and we start tracking it into the timber
0:46:03.359,0:46:10.500
and we get about 50 yards in the timber
0:46:06.839,0:46:14.220
it's getting dark and like really dark
0:46:10.500,0:46:16.200
the sun is already set right and we're
0:46:14.220,0:46:20.220
losing light really fast and the blood
0:46:16.200,0:46:23.579
is not very easy to find it's drying up
0:46:20.220,0:46:27.780
and there's no tracks to follow
0:46:23.579,0:46:29.700
and so he wants to go in and try and you
0:46:27.780,0:46:32.700
know see if we can bump it out and shoot
0:46:29.700,0:46:34.859
it again and I'm like no we need to
0:46:32.700,0:46:36.660
we need to rethink this so we go back to
0:46:34.859,0:46:39.540
the truck and I'm like I've got thermal
0:46:36.660,0:46:43.380
in here let's get out in the thermal
0:46:39.540,0:46:45.780
and maybe you will get lucky and find it
0:46:43.380,0:46:47.700
with thermal you know as we as we walk
0:46:45.780,0:46:50.220
in there right
0:46:47.700,0:46:52.560
so he's never used thermal before so I'm
0:46:50.220,0:46:54.839
showing him how to use it and how to you
0:46:52.560,0:46:56.880
know renew it and adjust contrast
0:46:54.839,0:46:58.260
brightness he's like so what am I
0:46:56.880,0:47:00.960
looking for what's it going to look like
0:46:58.260,0:47:03.480
and I I said well you're on white hot so
0:47:00.960,0:47:05.700
it's going to look like glowing white
0:47:03.480,0:47:07.680
and he's like okay like that over there
0:47:05.700,0:47:11.339
and I'm like no that's a that's a tree
0:47:07.680,0:47:14.400
stump that's still holding some heat but
0:47:11.339,0:47:15.780
it's not bright enough yet it's you know
0:47:14.400,0:47:17.760
it's going to be brighter I'm looking
0:47:15.780,0:47:19.980
with mine and I'm like probably like
0:47:17.760,0:47:23.940
that over there
0:47:19.980,0:47:26.520
and I'm like wait a minute what is that
0:47:23.940,0:47:30.560
what the heck so
0:47:26.520,0:47:33.599
we go over there and it's my wolf
0:47:30.560,0:47:35.700
it had ran in the dark Timber you know
0:47:33.599,0:47:37.859
like a hundred yards and then come out
0:47:35.700,0:47:39.900
of it it got confused turn around and
0:47:37.859,0:47:42.780
came back and died right on the edge of
0:47:39.900,0:47:44.940
the the clearing not less than 30 yards
0:47:42.780,0:47:46.560
from uh oh my gosh so you I was able to
0:47:44.940,0:47:48.180
spot it just as soon as you got got your
0:47:46.560,0:47:50.520
thermal out just trying to teach him
0:47:48.180,0:47:52.319
what to look for yeah and I don't think
0:47:50.520,0:47:55.619
I would have ever found it because it
0:47:52.319,0:47:58.020
was it was 180 degrees the direction you
0:47:55.619,0:48:00.000
know so it went in and just like his
0:47:58.020,0:48:02.099
chair gone in yeah yeah and just turned
0:48:00.000,0:48:04.680
back yeah how how far did it where did
0:48:02.099,0:48:06.240
you actually hit him and how far did he
0:48:04.680,0:48:09.240
end up running
0:48:06.240,0:48:10.680
yeah so I I hit her right behind the the
0:48:09.240,0:48:13.680
front shoulder
0:48:10.680,0:48:16.200
um double longer uh shooting a six
0:48:13.680,0:48:17.940
creedon where I was shooting Hornady
0:48:16.200,0:48:22.260
ammo you know yeah
0:48:17.940,0:48:26.460
um and it was a perfect shot but she had
0:48:22.260,0:48:28.140
still they they absorbed uh ammo like
0:48:26.460,0:48:30.660
you wouldn't believe they're super
0:48:28.140,0:48:33.000
strong and that's another thing that I
0:48:30.660,0:48:36.119
would like to impress upon the listeners
0:48:33.000,0:48:39.119
if you're gonna hunt wolves use a big
0:48:36.119,0:48:42.540
game cartridge in my opinion even six
0:48:39.119,0:48:44.400
Creedmoor is too small okay okay
0:48:42.540,0:48:47.040
um I
0:48:44.400,0:48:50.220
there's one guy on YouTube
0:48:47.040,0:48:55.380
um that that shoots a lot of wolves a
0:48:50.220,0:48:58.140
couple every year he uses a 338 or no he
0:48:55.380,0:49:01.020
uses a 300 Ultra Mag okay so he goes
0:48:58.140,0:49:03.420
he's like ill cutting rig he's shooting
0:49:01.020,0:49:05.520
like a hill Crown what he's using yeah
0:49:03.420,0:49:07.260
but even with that they'll still suck it
0:49:05.520,0:49:09.480
up and take it somehow isn't it
0:49:07.260,0:49:13.020
something that is wild it's incredible
0:49:09.480,0:49:16.200
so I built a 300 PRC just for hunting
0:49:13.020,0:49:18.480
wolves nice nice and it's a lightweight
0:49:16.200,0:49:20.940
packable gun you know but that's what
0:49:18.480,0:49:24.240
that's what I use now but
0:49:20.940,0:49:26.640
um I finally had my wolf down and it was
0:49:24.240,0:49:28.400
the exact same wolf that I had missed
0:49:26.640,0:49:32.359
that morning
0:49:28.400,0:49:35.460
white Crest on an on her chest
0:49:32.359,0:49:37.140
Redemption yeah I think what had
0:49:35.460,0:49:39.960
happened is
0:49:37.140,0:49:42.180
um after I missed her she probably went
0:49:39.960,0:49:45.060
and grew back up with the family
0:49:42.180,0:49:47.280
and but she was still interested to see
0:49:45.060,0:49:48.839
what all those Ravens and magpies were
0:49:47.280,0:49:51.359
getting at and
0:49:48.839,0:49:53.940
you know and so
0:49:51.359,0:49:56.520
it worked and uh
0:49:53.940,0:49:59.700
since then I've you know been able to
0:49:56.520,0:50:00.599
call him wolves consistently and
0:49:59.700,0:50:03.200
um
0:50:00.599,0:50:05.700
I haven't shot another one yet because
0:50:03.200,0:50:08.220
I'm trying to get wolves for other
0:50:05.700,0:50:10.260
people right yeah because I've had other
0:50:08.220,0:50:12.599
buddies and stuff who have tried to help
0:50:10.260,0:50:13.859
me over the years and so now it's their
0:50:12.599,0:50:15.900
turn and
0:50:13.859,0:50:17.640
and uh you know I've tried to help out
0:50:15.900,0:50:21.200
get one and
0:50:17.640,0:50:24.900
but we're uh we're committed to it and
0:50:21.200,0:50:27.359
it's been it's been nuts hopefully y'all
0:50:24.900,0:50:29.040
could do your trip in September I think
0:50:27.359,0:50:31.140
it's when it is hopefully y'all get get
0:50:29.040,0:50:34.319
into them I'll get these first wolf is
0:50:31.140,0:50:36.599
and speaking of that say in September uh
0:50:34.319,0:50:38.400
is there a time of year that you prefer
0:50:36.599,0:50:40.260
over others that you seem to have better
0:50:38.400,0:50:42.599
luck in calling wolves I know it'd get
0:50:40.260,0:50:44.400
pretty tough if you get too deep in the
0:50:42.599,0:50:46.859
winter just because the obstacles like
0:50:44.400,0:50:48.420
uh the snow Yeah snow and stuff but do
0:50:46.859,0:50:50.640
you have a particular favorite time that
0:50:48.420,0:50:53.220
you like to try to chase them
0:50:50.640,0:50:55.680
I like to chase them between really
0:50:53.220,0:50:57.180
between uh
0:50:55.680,0:50:59.819
Labor Day
0:50:57.180,0:51:02.520
and
0:50:59.819,0:51:04.980
um and Thanksgiving okay so September
0:51:02.520,0:51:06.839
through November yep
0:51:04.980,0:51:08.160
that's when I've had the the most
0:51:06.839,0:51:11.160
success
0:51:08.160,0:51:14.460
um the area that I hunt by
0:51:11.160,0:51:16.140
usually by Thanksgiving there's three
0:51:14.460,0:51:17.819
three feet of snow and you can't really
0:51:16.140,0:51:18.720
get anywhere unless you're on a snow
0:51:17.819,0:51:21.660
machine
0:51:18.720,0:51:25.260
and uh a lot of guys will hunt off snow
0:51:21.660,0:51:27.300
machines but it's just too hard to pack
0:51:25.260,0:51:29.700
cameras and film and stuff in those
0:51:27.300,0:51:32.579
conditions right right so that's pretty
0:51:29.700,0:51:35.099
tough on equipment for sure yeah so we
0:51:32.579,0:51:36.720
we like to you know hunt them in the
0:51:35.099,0:51:39.300
fall
0:51:36.720,0:51:41.880
um Idaho just opened up year-round
0:51:39.300,0:51:44.540
hunting for them uh they opened up
0:51:41.880,0:51:47.099
baiting you can use thermal in Idaho now
0:51:44.540,0:51:49.319
there's all sorts of different things
0:51:47.099,0:51:50.520
going on in Idaho to try and get rid of
0:51:49.319,0:51:52.859
them because
0:51:50.520,0:51:56.880
they've just decimated the population
0:51:52.859,0:52:00.319
you know yeah and you know I
0:51:56.880,0:52:04.140
I've been in Wolf country I've seen
0:52:00.319,0:52:05.700
I've seen the effects like uh you know
0:52:04.140,0:52:08.700
we used to hunt Northeastern Oregon
0:52:05.700,0:52:11.640
quite a bit had had some family on
0:52:08.700,0:52:13.980
ground up there and I remember what it
0:52:11.640,0:52:16.319
was like before wolves got in that area
0:52:13.980,0:52:18.680
and then I've seen the aftermath and it
0:52:16.319,0:52:21.960
turns it into a total different big game
0:52:18.680,0:52:24.000
hunting area it it makes the yeah it
0:52:21.960,0:52:25.500
makes the coyote calling so much
0:52:24.000,0:52:28.140
different I can remember going up there
0:52:25.500,0:52:30.720
in coyote Colin and Kyle's just charging
0:52:28.140,0:52:32.339
come in the vocals good come into all
0:52:30.720,0:52:34.020
the prey distressed sounds just come
0:52:32.339,0:52:35.640
barreling in you know and and shooting
0:52:34.020,0:52:38.160
them right on top of the call and now
0:52:35.640,0:52:40.559
since they don't do that now no it's
0:52:38.160,0:52:43.319
like you know they'll still come but
0:52:40.559,0:52:45.059
they stop several times and Survey in
0:52:43.319,0:52:46.500
their area and then they trotting of it
0:52:45.059,0:52:47.760
and it's like they're worried what's
0:52:46.500,0:52:49.200
actually in there killing it because
0:52:47.760,0:52:51.720
they know if they come up on a pack of
0:52:49.200,0:52:54.359
wolves you know they're they're they're
0:52:51.720,0:52:56.940
just as you know they're dead too so it
0:52:54.359,0:52:58.260
it yeah these areas
0:52:56.940,0:53:01.260
now
0:52:58.260,0:53:04.220
yeah coyotes will come a lot later
0:53:01.260,0:53:06.540
um and they'll come quiet in a wolf area
0:53:04.220,0:53:09.300
sometimes you know they won't come for
0:53:06.540,0:53:11.339
20 minutes and they'll just sit five six
0:53:09.300,0:53:13.319
hundred yards out and just watch for
0:53:11.339,0:53:16.319
five minutes to make sure there's
0:53:13.319,0:53:18.180
nothing that's going to kill them
0:53:16.319,0:53:20.400
um but yeah that's the same thing I've
0:53:18.180,0:53:23.099
experienced yeah usually the coyote
0:53:20.400,0:53:25.319
Colin is not very good in an area that
0:53:23.099,0:53:26.819
has Wolves yeah well let me ask you this
0:53:25.319,0:53:29.280
because you're using a lot of coyote
0:53:26.819,0:53:30.720
vocals uh I'm sure they're I'm sure a
0:53:29.280,0:53:34.200
coyote's not going to come while you're
0:53:30.720,0:53:36.359
running a wolf howl but do you ever call
0:53:34.200,0:53:38.160
in coyotes while you're trying to make a
0:53:36.359,0:53:40.200
wolf stand and if they do come in they
0:53:38.160,0:53:41.640
get a free pass or you you busting a
0:53:40.200,0:53:44.460
coyote if they show up while you're
0:53:41.640,0:53:47.040
trying to call for wolves well if Al and
0:53:44.460,0:53:49.370
I are hunting hell no nothing gets a
0:53:47.040,0:53:51.960
free pass it's awesome
0:53:49.370,0:53:54.599
[Laughter]
0:53:51.960,0:53:57.780
um I've I've told him how we're never
0:53:54.599,0:53:59.760
going to kill a a 200 inch deer if we
0:53:57.780,0:54:02.700
shoot every you know two point that we
0:53:59.760,0:54:05.700
see right and and he laughs about it but
0:54:02.700,0:54:06.960
it's hard that's what you say while
0:54:05.700,0:54:08.640
you're making your wolf stands and a
0:54:06.960,0:54:11.640
coyote comes up maybe [ __ ] that's how
0:54:08.640,0:54:13.319
you're referring to it exactly yeah if
0:54:11.640,0:54:14.880
he shoots every coyote that comes to the
0:54:13.319,0:54:17.160
call we'll probably never kill a wolf
0:54:14.880,0:54:18.900
exactly but now I was surprised now with
0:54:17.160,0:54:21.660
the suppressors and stuff shooting the
0:54:18.900,0:54:24.119
Hawks work stuff it probably doesn't
0:54:21.660,0:54:27.119
matter all that much right
0:54:24.119,0:54:29.280
um and we we have a hard time giving a
0:54:27.119,0:54:32.160
coyote a pass when the camera's rolling
0:54:29.280,0:54:34.140
especially right well say Al's not with
0:54:32.160,0:54:35.819
you say it's just Tom Austin out there
0:54:34.140,0:54:38.339
you're shooting a coyote when he comes
0:54:35.819,0:54:39.720
in are you giving him the pass I'm not I
0:54:38.339,0:54:41.339
give him a pass
0:54:39.720,0:54:43.500
um you waiting on a wolf
0:54:41.339,0:54:45.240
yeah I'm waiting on a wolf and I don't
0:54:43.500,0:54:47.700
wanna I don't want to mess it up and
0:54:45.240,0:54:49.680
also you know I like I love seeing
0:54:47.700,0:54:52.020
coyotes and I like having a healthy
0:54:49.680,0:54:53.400
coyote population so that I can hunt him
0:54:52.020,0:54:58.200
for years to come
0:54:53.400,0:54:59.040
and to me a coyote is worth money
0:54:58.200,0:55:02.579
um
0:54:59.040,0:55:04.500
not just to kill him but to actually be
0:55:02.579,0:55:07.200
able to put him on film burn them on
0:55:04.500,0:55:11.700
film and you know make some money doing
0:55:07.200,0:55:15.660
it that's that's what I like to do so
0:55:11.700,0:55:18.119
I don't I won't even really kill coyotes
0:55:15.660,0:55:19.500
unless I'm hunting a contest or filming
0:55:18.119,0:55:21.720
yeah yeah
0:55:19.500,0:55:23.099
um there's there to me there has to be a
0:55:21.720,0:55:25.319
reason to kill them I don't like to kill
0:55:23.099,0:55:27.300
him just to kill them now I do have some
0:55:25.319,0:55:29.940
ranchers that need them gone and I'll
0:55:27.300,0:55:31.440
get rid of them that way but even then I
0:55:29.940,0:55:34.200
still try to put them on film or
0:55:31.440,0:55:35.819
something right yeah yeah well yeah you
0:55:34.200,0:55:39.660
kind of get kind of getting that Groove
0:55:35.819,0:55:41.640
it's uh you know the filming
0:55:39.660,0:55:43.020
filming of coyotes you know filming
0:55:41.640,0:55:45.000
coyote hunts it kind of gets in your
0:55:43.020,0:55:46.920
blood a little bit too it you know I get
0:55:45.000,0:55:49.740
a lot enjoyment out of it you know it
0:55:46.920,0:55:51.599
doesn't matter if I'm on a gun on the
0:55:49.740,0:55:53.160
camera or maybe doing both you know
0:55:51.599,0:55:55.319
let's do some self filming as well I
0:55:53.160,0:55:56.880
mean I I really enjoy the filming aspect
0:55:55.319,0:55:59.160
of it it's always cool to go back and
0:55:56.880,0:56:00.780
watch what you've done uh share it with
0:55:59.160,0:56:03.480
friends and family share it with every
0:56:00.780,0:56:04.980
you know all of our uh viewers out there
0:56:03.480,0:56:07.260
and stuff and you know always something
0:56:04.980,0:56:09.540
to go back and look on that I've done in
0:56:07.260,0:56:12.420
the past it's it's just cool stuff I
0:56:09.540,0:56:14.460
really enjoy that part of it I I do too
0:56:12.420,0:56:16.559
I get a real sense of accomplishment I
0:56:14.460,0:56:20.339
feel like it's much harder to create
0:56:16.559,0:56:23.819
than it is to destroy and yeah I like to
0:56:20.339,0:56:26.040
create stuff I like to you know I like
0:56:23.819,0:56:28.859
to be artistic and try to
0:56:26.040,0:56:31.079
try to do things that that
0:56:28.859,0:56:34.740
a lot of people don't necessarily have
0:56:31.079,0:56:37.319
the patience or equipment or even the
0:56:34.740,0:56:39.780
desire to do and make something cool out
0:56:37.319,0:56:43.619
of it you know some of some of my best
0:56:39.780,0:56:46.980
memories are what footage I was able to
0:56:43.619,0:56:47.940
capture or you know
0:56:46.980,0:56:51.000
um
0:56:47.940,0:56:53.339
you you calling a mountain lion and
0:56:51.000,0:56:54.180
shoot it on film at 30 yards from the
0:56:53.339,0:56:57.540
call
0:56:54.180,0:56:59.819
it's it's a totally different thing than
0:56:57.540,0:57:00.359
just shooting one right
0:56:59.819,0:57:02.819
um
0:57:00.359,0:57:05.880
just to have it on video you know it's
0:57:02.819,0:57:07.859
just now you're talking about one of my
0:57:05.880,0:57:09.960
dream hunts there see I say I'm the type
0:57:07.859,0:57:12.780
of guy which I'd love to get into Wolves
0:57:09.960,0:57:13.980
at some point but I have people ask me a
0:57:12.780,0:57:16.260
question all the time you know when you
0:57:13.980,0:57:18.599
go wolf hunting all this stuff and I've
0:57:16.260,0:57:21.059
always said that you know hey I want to
0:57:18.599,0:57:23.760
call in a mountain lion and get him
0:57:21.059,0:57:25.740
killed that's that's my first goal and
0:57:23.760,0:57:28.680
I've tried it many times heck I've tried
0:57:25.740,0:57:30.480
it seems like ever since probably
0:57:28.680,0:57:32.460
I don't know it's been a long time I've
0:57:30.480,0:57:34.500
been working on it for 15 years anyway
0:57:32.460,0:57:36.000
and I've had one opportunity and I blew
0:57:34.500,0:57:39.300
it and we ain't gonna get into that
0:57:36.000,0:57:40.920
story but I'm I usually try to get a
0:57:39.300,0:57:42.359
wolf tag almost every year or not a wolf
0:57:40.920,0:57:43.800
tape but a mountain lion tag almost
0:57:42.359,0:57:46.440
every year and hopefully the next year
0:57:43.800,0:57:47.880
or two I can I can check that one off
0:57:46.440,0:57:49.319
the list one of these days then we can
0:57:47.880,0:57:52.700
move on to the Wolves I'll be hollering
0:57:49.319,0:57:55.440
at you the end time that sounds good
0:57:52.700,0:57:58.260
don't threaten me with a good time I
0:57:55.440,0:57:59.339
love it all of it yeah I think I think
0:57:58.260,0:58:00.540
we're getting here close we've been on
0:57:59.339,0:58:03.000
here quite a while to all you start
0:58:00.540,0:58:04.920
talking about some fun uh fun topics we
0:58:03.000,0:58:07.260
eat up a lot of time pretty pretty quick
0:58:04.920,0:58:11.040
we we enjoy you coming on and speaking
0:58:07.260,0:58:13.700
well I I truly appreciate it I I love uh
0:58:11.040,0:58:17.220
I love what y'all are doing especially
0:58:13.700,0:58:20.280
you know the the Foxpro hunting TV
0:58:17.220,0:58:23.040
segments that that you're in and I
0:58:20.280,0:58:25.319
really appreciate those and I think that
0:58:23.040,0:58:27.660
you're doing something great and uh love
0:58:25.319,0:58:28.500
to be a part of this great company
0:58:27.660,0:58:30.960
um
0:58:28.500,0:58:33.839
Foxpro really has been good to me I've
0:58:30.960,0:58:36.540
been with them 20 years now and they've
0:58:33.839,0:58:38.099
been amazing to me over the years and I
0:58:36.540,0:58:41.099
couldn't ask for a better company to
0:58:38.099,0:58:43.799
yeah it's a great company and owned by a
0:58:41.099,0:58:45.960
great family it's a it's a yeah it's a
0:58:43.799,0:58:47.579
it's a good outfit that's for sure I've
0:58:45.960,0:58:49.140
done a lot done a lot for the predator
0:58:47.579,0:58:51.660
hunting industry you know what I mean
0:58:49.140,0:58:54.180
for sure yep yep I love putting out
0:58:51.660,0:58:56.400
Foxpro hat on them I take pride in it oh
0:58:54.180,0:58:58.500
man proud of it for sure that is a fact
0:58:56.400,0:59:00.540
well hopefully maybe you can get on a
0:58:58.500,0:59:02.819
hump here sometime this year or in the
0:59:00.540,0:59:05.579
near future I'd like to like to share a
0:59:02.819,0:59:07.859
few stands with you yeah I would love
0:59:05.579,0:59:09.900
that absolutely yeah and hopefully
0:59:07.859,0:59:12.240
hopefully you and Al have some luck here
0:59:09.900,0:59:14.640
in September on your all's upcoming uh
0:59:12.240,0:59:16.920
wolf wolf trip we'll have to get you
0:59:14.640,0:59:18.599
guys back on here after that trip just
0:59:16.920,0:59:21.000
to just to go over it hopefully we'll be
0:59:18.599,0:59:23.400
talking about a about a wolf you guys
0:59:21.000,0:59:24.780
have called in put on uh put on film but
0:59:23.400,0:59:26.579
if not I'm sure you guys are going to
0:59:24.780,0:59:28.440
have a fun trip we need to get back on
0:59:26.579,0:59:30.599
after that's over with and we'll we'll
0:59:28.440,0:59:32.160
do us another podcast and and see how
0:59:30.599,0:59:34.500
that went talk about the trip what do
0:59:32.160,0:59:36.720
you think yeah sounds great
0:59:34.500,0:59:38.400
well yeah till next time we hope
0:59:36.720,0:59:39.540
everyone enjoyed this episode we hope
0:59:38.400,0:59:42.319
you join us again right here on the
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