The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 27: Calling Wolves and Coyotes with Tom Austin

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Tom Austin talk coyote hunting and discuss proven tactics for calling in wolves.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the Foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by Foxpro game calls

 

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man we've got a good one for you welcome

 

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back to the Foxpro podcast on this

 

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episode we're going to be talking wolves

 

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and coyotes before we get going I want

 

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to let everyone know that we're starting

 

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available now all right let's get to it

 

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we've got Foxpro staffer Tom Austin on

 

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the line how's it going Tom you doing

 

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all right buddy oh yeah I'm great

 

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awesome I mean how could you not be

 

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great talking about hunting yeah it's uh

 

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I know that uh didn't you and uh Al just

 

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freshly just now got back from a from a

 

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coyote hunting trip when y'all hunting

 

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just a week or two ago

 

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we we were we did some uh we tried to do

 

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some dogging

 

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um but the coyotes just were not real

 

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interested in dogging

 

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yeah sometimes they're alligators and

 

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sometimes they're super timid and these

 

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coyotes were timid out of the dozen or

 

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so that we called in we had one coyote

 

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interested in even interacting with the

 

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dogs so how how was how was the calling

 

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though did the coyotes call pretty good

 

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yeah the calling was good

 

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um

 

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just about every time we set up we uh we

 

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had responses and you know we had

 

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coyotes coming hard

 

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but when they saw the dogs they would

 

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almost turn inside out one of them

 

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hunkered down like on a on its belly

 

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and waited for the dogs to go past and

 

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then snuck out of there as quickly I've

 

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never seen it I've seen you know I've

 

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seen them Dart off and burned out just

 

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you know as quick as they see the dogs

 

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and stuff like that I don't think I've

 

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ever seen one try to try to hide let

 

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them get behind and then slip out

 

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yep she literally hid from the dogs

 

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until they were out of sight and then

 

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she took it off and we never saw her

 

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again never got a shot at her but uh the

 

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column was good we were using um

 

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mainly vocals every once in a while we

 

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played some Fawn bleats yep

 

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but mostly coyote vocals uh using a ton

 

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of the mfk stuff right right and

 

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they were just hammering the call they

 

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would come as hard and as fast as they

 

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could come

 

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um if they didn't see the dog and as

 

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soon as they saw the dogs it was a

 

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different game so we started leaving the

 

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dogs in the truck

 

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um sometimes you got to test the waters

 

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on them but you know what really what

 

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really gets aggravating is when uh when

 

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the Collins not all that great you know

 

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coyotes aren't coming good and then when

 

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they do come they're sissies like that

 

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that makes for a pretty brutal few days

 

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of column but it's always good to see

 

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that the coyotes are coming are coming

 

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good

 

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yeah well the the best part of it is is

 

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anybody could do it anybody could do

 

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what we did you know last week

 

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um if they had a fox Pro and mfk sounds

 

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yep they could have called in a dozen 15

 

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coyotes in two and a half days easy

 

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awesome

 

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um without dogs because you know the

 

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dogs didn't help us any at all right it

 

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actually kind of hurt you a little bit

 

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yeah sometimes they help you a bunch and

 

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sometimes they hurt you and this was a

 

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hardest week but right so y'all ended up

 

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after uh I think I did talk to Al

 

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earlier and he did say that had one

 

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really really good dogging stand and uh

 

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said that uh you know they had a bunch

 

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of CC's did you all end up just putting

 

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the dogs up and just start calling and

 

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killing

 

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yeah we did and we we ended up killing

 

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um I think we ended up killing seven in

 

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two and a half days which is pretty good

 

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considering you're only able to call

 

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four or five hours in the morning yes it

 

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ain't hot yeah yeah yep yep that is good

 

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and especially doing it on film you know

 

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filming and a lot of them were spoiled

 

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because of the dogs you know right right

 

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yeah and film and adds a whole new

 

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element to it but

 

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uh it also makes it a lot more

 

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interesting and you got to be a lot

 

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smarter about your hunting when you're

 

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filming too definitely a lot smarter

 

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about your setups you know you know the

 

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last day we went to a ranch there in

 

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Northern Utah only about 45 minutes from

 

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my home

 

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and uh it was just flat Sage everywhere

 

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I mean there was nowhere to hide the

 

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truck there's nowhere to hide your body

 

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you're just sitting down and you're not

 

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seeing coyotes until they're you know

 

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100 yards of glass coming hard right

 

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right and then you're shooting through

 

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little Windows

 

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um with the camera and the gun yeah yeah

 

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it just makes for interesting hunting

 

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but it definitely does you gotta and

 

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that's the thing talking about those

 

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small Windows you know and everybody's

 

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got to be on the same page just because

 

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that camera's got the window doesn't

 

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mean the the shooter has the same window

 

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or vice versa exactly yeah so what uh

 

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What state were you guys hunting in this

 

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past trip were y'all in Utah or y'all go

 

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somewhere else we'll be headed Utah and

 

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Idaho

 

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um so I live 45 minutes from Southern

 

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Idaho border yep and I can be in Idaho

 

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in 45 minutes it takes me about an hour

 

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and a half to get to Nevada and about

 

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an hour to get to Wyoming so I'm right

 

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in America of all the good house oh yeah

 

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you in the you're in the honey hole

 

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right there you're in the you're in The

 

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Sweet Spot yeah there's some great

 

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there's some great hunting there's a ton

 

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of callers that say if you can kill

 

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coyotes in in my home state of Utah

 

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um and do it consistently you're

 

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something special because there's a ton

 

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of callers I'd say that they still have

 

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the 50 Bounty I'm sure that that hurts a

 

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little bit yeah yeah

 

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every uh every set of years and loaded

 

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jaw in the state of Utah is worth 50

 

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bucks and yep it gets everybody

 

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interested in going out there to do it

 

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but you know not everybody knows how to

 

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do it which you know it can hurt too and

 

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don't get me wrong I'm all about

 

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promoting new guys into sport I was a

 

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new guy a long long time ago and

 

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and you know that's what keeps this

 

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sport going is new guys with new

 

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interest in fresh blood yeah you know I

 

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tell you what I'll tell you that 50

 

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Bounty that uh you know I've hunted

 

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other states that have like certain

 

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counties would have have bounties you

 

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know sometimes there's counties inside

 

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States that'll have them and it might

 

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not be 50 bucks might just be 25 but if

 

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you could take a set of ears in

 

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and and get a check that turns everybody

 

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into a coyote Hunter even even if

 

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they're not a uh say a coyote caller you

 

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got guys running them with dogs you've

 

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got ranchers and cowboys and everybody

 

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else shooting them out of Windows of

 

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pickup trucks so you know it puts

 

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coyotes on edge I mean it's even though

 

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they might not be calling pressure

 

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um if there's pressure from coming from

 

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every angle it can make it can make you

 

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go call them pretty doggone difficult

 

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well you know what it did uh in my my

 

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home uh area is it caused guys

 

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to buy helicopters oh my gosh

 

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or killing coyotes because if if they

 

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could go out and kill 40 to 60 in a

 

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weekend yeah

 

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Not only would it pay for their fuel but

 

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the ranchers would pay him a bunch for

 

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doing them I'm in the tournament for the

 

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Bounty yep so one of my best friends

 

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from high school went in on a helicopter

 

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with his his father-in-law

 

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and they made a killing Services

 

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uh business out of it and so add that on

 

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top everybody else that's hunting and

 

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Kyle's in Utah are pretty darn tough to

 

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to call and kill but

 

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Al and I've been doing it so long and we

 

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have some spots set aside we still have

 

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success right right does does Utah still

 

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incorporate uh do you all have

 

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government Trappers up there

 

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oh yeah yeah so they're they're out

 

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there working

 

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every week every day every counter

 

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county has at least a government Trapper

 

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some of them have several yeah yeah well

 

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I had uh it uh can definitely definitely

 

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make things change the game up a little

 

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bit what uh he said the column was

 

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pretty good what you got any specific

 

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sounds that you noticed that the coyotes

 

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were coming to better than than others

 

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what what were most of you coyotes

 

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showing up to

 

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well

 

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um

 

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it seemed like all we were really all we

 

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really had to do was

 

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um do a few howls and uh

 

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that little B whimper house what Al

 

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starts almost every set with oh he loves

 

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it he loves it yeah

 

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but I can see why it works good you know

 

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yep oh yeah

 

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Guru challenge I think is another one

 

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that we were doing

 

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um

 

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just going back and forth between

 

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different howls and uh

 

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it was that's really all we needed we

 

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didn't have to get fancy with the column

 

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yep

 

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I'll ran the remote all weekend because

 

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he you know he was uh he was running the

 

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dogs and the remote and I was filming

 

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and

 

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one thing I think that people don't

 

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understand when they watch an episode of

 

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Foxpro hunting TV or whatever they think

 

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that we use two or three sounds I

 

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understand

 

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I don't I can't think of a stand I've

 

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used only two or three sounds since I

 

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was a kid when Dad was you know blowing

 

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a Cali ho hand call you know when I was

 

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seven or eight years old

 

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um since the the Advent of you know

 

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Fox pros and my first was an fx5 you

 

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know 20 years ago right I easily played

 

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10 pounds on every scan and maybe 20 or

 

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30 you know it's not uncommon from for

 

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us to go through 20 sounds easy right

 

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right

 

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little bites here and there of all sorts

 

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of different things to see what's going

 

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to trip they're trigger yeah yeah so if

 

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someone said give me a sound sequence

 

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you people would probably laugh at how

 

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many different sounds we play they did

 

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they'd had to get their notebook out to

 

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write all the stuff down or memorize it

 

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wouldn't they yeah but but it's still it

 

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only lasts 15 or 20 minutes you know

 

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exactly we're just not we're just not

 

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beating uh Lightning Jack to death for

 

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12 minutes it ain't getting up and

 

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packing off to another stand yeah and I

 

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know a lot of guys that do that you know

 

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they'll play Lightning Jack for 10 12

 

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minutes and nothing comes well there

 

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must be nothing here well that's not

 

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that's not true you know right if you're

 

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not if you're not peeking a coyote's

 

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interest with vocals uh territory maybe

 

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um

 

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uh some mating sounds maybe some fight

 

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sounds you know as well as something

 

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that maybe he wants to eat then you're

 

0:11:25.980,0:11:29.880

missing coyotes that's right you gotta

 

0:11:28.140,0:11:31.760

you gotta touch on all those things that

 

0:11:29.880,0:11:33.600

could trigger a coyote

 

0:11:31.760,0:11:35.160

especially in those States like you're

 

0:11:33.600,0:11:36.300

talking about Utah the ones that get

 

0:11:35.160,0:11:37.320

hammered I mean you got to find

 

0:11:36.300,0:11:40.920

something that's going to trigger those

 

0:11:37.320,0:11:43.500

coyotes come in for sure yeah there's

 

0:11:40.920,0:11:46.860

times we'll go to another state

 

0:11:43.500,0:11:49.079

and we only have to play you know four

 

0:11:46.860,0:11:50.640

or five sounds because we get it figured

 

0:11:49.079,0:11:52.920

out pretty quickly right find what they

 

0:11:50.640,0:11:55.040

want to come to yeah it's like fishing

 

0:11:52.920,0:11:57.959

you know if you keep throwing the same

 

0:11:55.040,0:11:59.399

chartreuse popper over and over and over

 

0:11:57.959,0:12:00.899

again nothing's hitting it you're

 

0:11:59.399,0:12:03.540

wasting your time you got to find out

 

0:12:00.899,0:12:06.060

what they're hitting on exactly exactly

 

0:12:03.540,0:12:07.980

I I throw everything in The Tackle Box

 

0:12:06.060,0:12:11.399

until I get something to hit it and then

 

0:12:07.980,0:12:13.200

I'll stick with it you know but uh ride

 

0:12:11.399,0:12:15.480

it ride it till it bucks you you know if

 

0:12:13.200,0:12:18.480

it starts working use it yep that for

 

0:12:15.480,0:12:20.339

sure exactly but before we uh we'll get

 

0:12:18.480,0:12:22.620

into the thick of this podcast you all

 

0:12:20.339,0:12:24.060

heard us uh talk back and forth here a

 

0:12:22.620,0:12:26.000

little bit you kind of get an idea about

 

0:12:24.060,0:12:28.140

Tom but you know just to give you guys

 

0:12:26.000,0:12:29.579

let me learn a little bit more about you

 

0:12:28.140,0:12:32.279

Tom you know I was going to go ahead and

 

0:12:29.579,0:12:34.260

start it off guys Tom is an excellent

 

0:12:32.279,0:12:37.019

excellent Predator Hunter and Thomas

 

0:12:34.260,0:12:38.579

also one of the few Hunters that I

 

0:12:37.019,0:12:40.980

personally know that has successfully

 

0:12:38.579,0:12:42.899

called in a wolf and I'm pretty sure

 

0:12:40.980,0:12:47.220

he's called in more than just one which

 

0:12:42.899,0:12:48.720

I is an absolute amazing feat Tom

 

0:12:47.220,0:12:51.300

um you guys heard us talking about

 

0:12:48.720,0:12:53.880

filming and stuff Tom is no stranger to

 

0:12:51.300,0:12:55.740

a video camera Tom has been in front of

 

0:12:53.880,0:12:59.700

the camera for Foxpro hunting TV

 

0:12:55.740,0:13:02.459

numerous times and as filmed countless

 

0:12:59.700,0:13:04.980

episodes for Foxpro hunting TV uh Tom

 

0:13:02.459,0:13:06.720

why don't you give us a little brief

 

0:13:04.980,0:13:08.519

deal here tell us a little bit you know

 

0:13:06.720,0:13:09.899

more about yourself tell us who Tom

 

0:13:08.519,0:13:12.540

Austin is

 

0:13:09.899,0:13:14.820

yeah so grew up in Northern Utah Hunting

 

0:13:12.540,0:13:18.300

Fishing loving every day like the song

 

0:13:14.820,0:13:21.720

says my dad put himself through college

 

0:13:18.300,0:13:23.700

hunting coyotes and what they would do

 

0:13:21.720,0:13:25.800

is he and a buddy would go out on the

 

0:13:23.700,0:13:29.279

weekend and kill as many coyotes as they

 

0:13:25.800,0:13:32.220

could and then they would skin him and

 

0:13:29.279,0:13:34.620

stretch him and uh you know do all that

 

0:13:32.220,0:13:36.600

and take him to the fur market and he

 

0:13:34.620,0:13:38.279

his fur check was enough to pay for his

 

0:13:36.600,0:13:41.880

tuition

 

0:13:38.279,0:13:44.639

um for several years and so when I was

 

0:13:41.880,0:13:48.600

real little like seven

 

0:13:44.639,0:13:50.279

he started letting me go and I I've got

 

0:13:48.600,0:13:53.399

two older brothers and he younger sister

 

0:13:50.279,0:13:56.220

so the boys would all go hunting and the

 

0:13:53.399,0:13:59.940

the girls would stay home and do girl

 

0:13:56.220,0:14:02.459

things and we just loved it I killed my

 

0:13:59.940,0:14:05.399

first coyote with a 30-30 lever action

 

0:14:02.459,0:14:09.360

that I borrowed from my granddad

 

0:14:05.399,0:14:12.420

um I probably you know 40 or 50 yards

 

0:14:09.360,0:14:14.639

that posted up broadside and I smoked it

 

0:14:12.420,0:14:16.680

and I was hooked ever since you know at

 

0:14:14.639,0:14:22.860

seven years old that's that's that's

 

0:14:16.680,0:14:25.260

pretty young so yeah so I grew up doing

 

0:14:22.860,0:14:28.380

that and uh

 

0:14:25.260,0:14:30.600

when I was uh 21 years old my dad was

 

0:14:28.380,0:14:33.120

killed in an industrial accident

 

0:14:30.600,0:14:36.540

and he was 47.

 

0:14:33.120,0:14:38.820

and even though I was an adult at 21 I

 

0:14:36.540,0:14:40.680

felt like a kid learned that my dad had

 

0:14:38.820,0:14:43.800

been killed it was it was pretty tough

 

0:14:40.680,0:14:46.940

yeah and it was hard for me to hunt and

 

0:14:43.800,0:14:50.519

fish for a couple of years

 

0:14:46.940,0:14:54.420

I just missed him so much and

 

0:14:50.519,0:14:58.019

I I kind of fell away from all that and

 

0:14:54.420,0:14:59.519

at one point I realized that the dad

 

0:14:58.019,0:15:02.279

would want me to still hunt and fish

 

0:14:59.519,0:15:05.160

that you know that's probably where I

 

0:15:02.279,0:15:09.060

would connect with him the most

 

0:15:05.160,0:15:11.220

and so I got back to it and uh got back

 

0:15:09.060,0:15:13.139

to fly fishing which is something he

 

0:15:11.220,0:15:15.899

taught us to do real young

 

0:15:13.139,0:15:18.899

but Kyle hunting was kicking my butt and

 

0:15:15.899,0:15:21.180

I was not having any success

 

0:15:18.899,0:15:23.699

and the reason was because I didn't pay

 

0:15:21.180,0:15:27.120

attention dad would tell me where to sit

 

0:15:23.699,0:15:29.220

he had a pair of wooden dowels that were

 

0:15:27.120,0:15:30.720

lashed together with some leather that

 

0:15:29.220,0:15:34.260

he used to shooting sticks you know

 

0:15:30.720,0:15:37.139

you're right um these are like very

 

0:15:34.260,0:15:39.899

early early versions Swagger bipods you

 

0:15:37.139,0:15:42.740

know right right and uh good point to

 

0:15:39.899,0:15:45.839

where I should sit and I'd sit down and

 

0:15:42.740,0:15:47.639

and I would just shoot whatever he

 

0:15:45.839,0:15:48.959

called in and I didn't realize that he

 

0:15:47.639,0:15:50.760

was you know

 

0:15:48.959,0:15:53.880

sitting me somewhere to break up my

 

0:15:50.760,0:15:55.440

outline and he was pointing you know me

 

0:15:53.880,0:15:59.339

in the Direction with the wind in my

 

0:15:55.440,0:16:02.100

face and I just went into autopilot and

 

0:15:59.339,0:16:03.720

did what he told me right right it took

 

0:16:02.100,0:16:05.639

me a while to figure out

 

0:16:03.720,0:16:09.899

he was doing everything for a reason

 

0:16:05.639,0:16:12.480

right you know like uh like a dumb kid I

 

0:16:09.899,0:16:14.459

just assumed dad would always be around

 

0:16:12.480,0:16:17.399

and

 

0:16:14.459,0:16:20.279

when uh when he was gone I had to

 

0:16:17.399,0:16:23.040

relearn how to hug coyotes yep

 

0:16:20.279,0:16:26.279

and those were the dog days for me when

 

0:16:23.040,0:16:28.079

I really struggled and had to go back to

 

0:16:26.279,0:16:31.139

the drawing board and figure out what

 

0:16:28.079,0:16:32.160

was going on and at that time

 

0:16:31.139,0:16:35.399

um

 

0:16:32.160,0:16:36.720

I found a Randy Anderson VHS calling all

 

0:16:35.399,0:16:40.860

coyotes

 

0:16:36.720,0:16:43.680

and just started watching Randy's vhs's

 

0:16:40.860,0:16:45.720

and paying attention to what he was

 

0:16:43.680,0:16:47.940

doing and you know he's a pretty good

 

0:16:45.720,0:16:50.639

teacher I think he was a band teacher

 

0:16:47.940,0:16:53.519

actually at one point and so he kind of

 

0:16:50.639,0:16:55.440

talks through what he's doing and I just

 

0:16:53.519,0:16:57.899

paid attention and started doing that

 

0:16:55.440,0:17:01.920

and at the same time I'm like well

 

0:16:57.899,0:17:02.820

I think I could film too so I bought a

 

0:17:01.920,0:17:05.040

uh

 

0:17:02.820,0:17:06.299

little Canon camera

 

0:17:05.040,0:17:09.600

um

 

0:17:06.299,0:17:13.319

and just an x820 I think is what it was

 

0:17:09.600,0:17:15.240

called and just started filming and it

 

0:17:13.319,0:17:18.600

turned into something pretty cool you

 

0:17:15.240,0:17:22.799

know I was able to to start putting

 

0:17:18.600,0:17:24.480

coyotes on film and start killing and

 

0:17:22.799,0:17:28.140

um I was working for a big game

 

0:17:24.480,0:17:29.640

Outfitter doing big game hunts and I

 

0:17:28.140,0:17:31.440

started uh

 

0:17:29.640,0:17:33.840

you know when you go on a big game hunt

 

0:17:31.440,0:17:36.660

you have one tag for the Hunter and if

 

0:17:33.840,0:17:39.480

he tags out on day two he's gonna sit in

 

0:17:36.660,0:17:42.480

the cabin in his flannels and play cards

 

0:17:39.480,0:17:44.520

until he flies back home or whatever but

 

0:17:42.480,0:17:47.520

that wasn't me so I was sneaking out

 

0:17:44.520,0:17:49.679

morning evening and calling coyotes yep

 

0:17:47.520,0:17:53.039

and they caught on to what I was doing

 

0:17:49.679,0:17:55.080

and started tagging along and then

 

0:17:53.039,0:17:57.840

they started calling me in the off

 

0:17:55.080,0:17:59.460

season and said hey we had so much fun

 

0:17:57.840,0:18:01.980

hunting coyotes we want to come back

 

0:17:59.460,0:18:06.660

right book a hunt to do that

 

0:18:01.980,0:18:10.980

yeah so I I was working for an Outfitter

 

0:18:06.660,0:18:13.500

and he he wasn't super honest he uh I

 

0:18:10.980,0:18:14.940

had a guy called to book a hunt and he's

 

0:18:13.500,0:18:17.520

like I want you to take him to this

 

0:18:14.940,0:18:19.860

property drive him around and show him

 

0:18:17.520,0:18:21.419

you know show him a good time and call

 

0:18:19.860,0:18:24.179

coyotes and

 

0:18:21.419,0:18:26.460

I said well the problem is there's no

 

0:18:24.179,0:18:28.380

coyotes on that property that time of

 

0:18:26.460,0:18:30.419

year the snow's too deep and he's like

 

0:18:28.380,0:18:33.240

well he won't know that just take him up

 

0:18:30.419,0:18:35.820

there and so I got a hold of the Hunter

 

0:18:33.240,0:18:38.100

and I said hey he's trying to kind of

 

0:18:35.820,0:18:40.559

screw you over he wants me to take you

 

0:18:38.100,0:18:42.720

to a ranch that doesn't have coyotes and

 

0:18:40.559,0:18:44.700

just drive you around for three days and

 

0:18:42.720,0:18:47.400

take your money yeah

 

0:18:44.700,0:18:50.340

and I said I would you know do what you

 

0:18:47.400,0:18:52.380

can to get a refund from them so

 

0:18:50.340,0:18:55.080

he said well thank you I appreciate the

 

0:18:52.380,0:18:56.940

info he got a refund called me back and

 

0:18:55.080,0:18:58.140

he said hey do you know a place where we

 

0:18:56.940,0:19:01.380

can go

 

0:18:58.140,0:19:03.480

and I'm like absolutely yeah and he said

 

0:19:01.380,0:19:05.580

well I got this time off and spent all

 

0:19:03.480,0:19:07.080

this money and you know I got money

 

0:19:05.580,0:19:08.400

burner hole in my pocket I want to kill

 

0:19:07.080,0:19:10.919

coyote so

 

0:19:08.400,0:19:12.360

he came out anyway I quit working for

 

0:19:10.919,0:19:16.140

the Outfitter

 

0:19:12.360,0:19:18.840

and we uh that was my first guided

 

0:19:16.140,0:19:22.320

coyote hunt you know 20 years ago right

 

0:19:18.840,0:19:24.840

right and we had good success and a ton

 

0:19:22.320,0:19:27.780

of fun and and that's kind of what

 

0:19:24.840,0:19:29.880

started Predator Strike Force and right

 

0:19:27.780,0:19:32.100

taking guys out and teaching them how to

 

0:19:29.880,0:19:33.200

hunt coyotes and filming and

 

0:19:32.100,0:19:36.419

yeah

 

0:19:33.200,0:19:39.000

took one of our mutual friends uh Tim

 

0:19:36.419,0:19:40.860

Spike Davis yeah it was probably a year

 

0:19:39.000,0:19:43.860

ago or something like that maybe yeah

 

0:19:40.860,0:19:47.340

it's been at least uh probably 10 12

 

0:19:43.860,0:19:49.080

years ago Tim was Jim was actually uh

 

0:19:47.340,0:19:51.240

drawing cartoons for Frederick stream

 

0:19:49.080,0:19:53.940

and I was right in the column

 

0:19:51.240,0:19:57.780

I had a calling named caller For Hire

 

0:19:53.940,0:20:00.240

that I was writing at every month and

 

0:19:57.780,0:20:03.500

Tim and I hooked up and he came out hung

 

0:20:00.240,0:20:06.980

with me oh man he is such a cracker yeah

 

0:20:03.500,0:20:09.840

Tim's a good and that's for sure yeah

 

0:20:06.980,0:20:12.419

but we we definitely had a good time but

 

0:20:09.840,0:20:14.700

I've taken a lot of people hunting over

 

0:20:12.419,0:20:16.980

the years and

 

0:20:14.700,0:20:19.799

um I probably have still to this day I

 

0:20:16.980,0:20:22.440

probably have 200 plus kills on video

 

0:20:19.799,0:20:25.020

yeah um but I've never done anything

 

0:20:22.440,0:20:28.080

with I give the footage back to the

 

0:20:25.020,0:20:30.059

hunters right so they have this Memento

 

0:20:28.080,0:20:32.100

but I've never published it or done

 

0:20:30.059,0:20:34.919

anything with it it's just all sitting

 

0:20:32.100,0:20:36.419

on hard drives right right let's give

 

0:20:34.919,0:20:39.059

you something some old stuff in there

 

0:20:36.419,0:20:41.039

maybe something to look back on sometime

 

0:20:39.059,0:20:44.160

and relive that stuff it's pretty cool

 

0:20:41.039,0:20:47.220

to have that so sounds like it sounds

 

0:20:44.160,0:20:50.400

like you've been coyote calling for

 

0:20:47.220,0:20:53.280

what at least 40 45 years

 

0:20:50.400,0:20:54.059

well I turned 46 this week

 

0:20:53.280,0:20:57.380

um

 

0:20:54.059,0:21:02.160

I tried to make you say like you do 50s

 

0:20:57.380,0:21:05.340

I'm not quite that old but uh yeah I

 

0:21:02.160,0:21:08.220

actually uh I've probably been calling

 

0:21:05.340,0:21:09.539

for you know 30 39 you said you killed

 

0:21:08.220,0:21:12.419

what killed you first when it's seven

 

0:21:09.539,0:21:14.760

years old so 39 years yeah well see I

 

0:21:12.419,0:21:18.059

went too far off so you were all over 40

 

0:21:14.760,0:21:19.200

anyway don't Edge me up my beard ages me

 

0:21:18.059,0:21:22.080

already

 

0:21:19.200,0:21:23.700

went real gray in the last few years you

 

0:21:22.080,0:21:25.100

had to start brushing some stuff into

 

0:21:23.700,0:21:27.020

that

 

0:21:25.100,0:21:29.400

absolutely

 

0:21:27.020,0:21:32.280

we always talk we was talking about the

 

0:21:29.400,0:21:33.780

Wolves earlier Tom I mentioned that I

 

0:21:32.280,0:21:36.539

know you've got some experience with

 

0:21:33.780,0:21:38.400

that that's kind of what brought the if

 

0:21:36.539,0:21:41.520

I remember correctly that's kind of what

 

0:21:38.400,0:21:44.400

kind of gave birth to the beard that you

 

0:21:41.520,0:21:46.440

wear so famously now but uh tell us a

 

0:21:44.400,0:21:47.700

little bit uh about what wolf College

 

0:21:46.440,0:21:49.080

how many how many wolves have you

 

0:21:47.700,0:21:51.240

actually caught in Tom I know you've

 

0:21:49.080,0:21:55.380

killed at least one you called in right

 

0:21:51.240,0:21:59.520

yeah I I've called in uh

 

0:21:55.380,0:22:02.940

at least seven at this point saving

 

0:21:59.520,0:22:04.919

rules um it's awesome it's amazing it's

 

0:22:02.940,0:22:07.620

funny the first wolf I called in I

 

0:22:04.919,0:22:10.380

called in by accident I was hunting with

 

0:22:07.620,0:22:12.780

a guy from PA he came out to to do a

 

0:22:10.380,0:22:14.580

coyote hunt with me yeah

 

0:22:12.780,0:22:17.820

and uh

 

0:22:14.580,0:22:19.980

we were in Montana calling and

 

0:22:17.820,0:22:22.919

about to break stand

 

0:22:19.980,0:22:25.799

and he's like

 

0:22:22.919,0:22:28.320

did you see that coyote out there and

 

0:22:25.799,0:22:31.140

this was back before either one of us

 

0:22:28.320,0:22:32.280

had rangefinders it's been 15 20 years

 

0:22:31.140,0:22:35.940

ago

 

0:22:32.280,0:22:39.299

and uh I'm like oh yeah and there's a

 

0:22:35.940,0:22:42.360

coyote out there sitting on his butt

 

0:22:39.299,0:22:45.120

and we gassed on yardage and he's like I

 

0:22:42.360,0:22:48.659

think he's 400 you know

 

0:22:45.120,0:22:52.020

he uh he pulls up the gun and

 

0:22:48.659,0:22:54.059

she he's shooting the 20 tactical uh I

 

0:22:52.020,0:22:56.580

think it's called the 20 tactical which

 

0:22:54.059,0:22:58.860

is real similar to a 204 yeah I know

 

0:22:56.580,0:23:01.919

exactly what that is yep great coyote

 

0:22:58.860,0:23:04.500

now yep but uh

 

0:23:01.919,0:23:07.020

he's guessing it's 400 yards sitting

 

0:23:04.500,0:23:09.179

there and he shoots and he's about eight

 

0:23:07.020,0:23:12.480

feet in front of it

 

0:23:09.179,0:23:15.840

and it gets up and starts loping off and

 

0:23:12.480,0:23:17.100

it's a gray wolf a young a young gray

 

0:23:15.840,0:23:20.760

wolf

 

0:23:17.100,0:23:24.059

but we were uh really glad that he

 

0:23:20.760,0:23:25.620

missed first and foremost because it

 

0:23:24.059,0:23:28.020

wasn't something we were supposed to be

 

0:23:25.620,0:23:30.720

shooting though I see

 

0:23:28.020,0:23:32.580

but uh the reason he thought it was 400

 

0:23:30.720,0:23:37.679

yards is because we thought it was a

 

0:23:32.580,0:23:39.900

coyote and further off yeah and it was a

 

0:23:37.679,0:23:41.100

wolf and

 

0:23:39.900,0:23:43.260

um he

 

0:23:41.100,0:23:45.659

he just kind of loped up over the hill

 

0:23:43.260,0:23:49.080

and was gone but we called him in using

 

0:23:45.659,0:23:51.900

Kyle vocals really really and so that

 

0:23:49.080,0:23:53.280

got me thinking well if he'll come to

 

0:23:51.900,0:23:55.559

that

 

0:23:53.280,0:23:57.840

um maybe that's what I need to be

 

0:23:55.559,0:24:00.120

focusing on when I start calling wolves

 

0:23:57.840,0:24:02.039

so the next uh

 

0:24:00.120,0:24:02.640

the next season

 

0:24:02.039,0:24:05.280

um

 

0:24:02.640,0:24:07.260

I bought wolf tags

 

0:24:05.280,0:24:10.020

and

 

0:24:07.260,0:24:12.179

I just decided to set a goal for myself

 

0:24:10.020,0:24:14.220

if I'm gonna kill a wolf you know I want

 

0:24:12.179,0:24:16.140

something to remind me that I'm wolf

 

0:24:14.220,0:24:19.440

hunting every day and that's what I need

 

0:24:16.140,0:24:23.659

to be focusing on right so I decided my

 

0:24:19.440,0:24:23.659

dad used to grow a deer beard yeah

 

0:24:23.880,0:24:29.580

and hit shave it after he shot a buck

 

0:24:26.700,0:24:31.500

and yeah so I thought I'd have it for a

 

0:24:29.580,0:24:35.040

season or two

 

0:24:31.500,0:24:37.039

nope it stuck with you for years

 

0:24:35.040,0:24:39.659

[Laughter]

 

0:24:37.039,0:24:42.659

the first wolf that we called him and

 

0:24:39.659,0:24:44.580

killed was about four three years three

 

0:24:42.659,0:24:49.020

or four years after I started growing

 

0:24:44.580,0:24:51.780

the beard yep and I was filming and uh

 

0:24:49.020,0:24:55.380

I held it in with my voice

 

0:24:51.780,0:25:00.480

my cousin ended up shooting it

 

0:24:55.380,0:25:03.960

and we were pretty darn excited but we

 

0:25:00.480,0:25:06.960

chased wolves that season a bunch and

 

0:25:03.960,0:25:08.940

only called in one right and this and

 

0:25:06.960,0:25:12.539

this was three or four years after you

 

0:25:08.940,0:25:14.520

your first uh called wolf encounter yeah

 

0:25:12.539,0:25:16.799

right

 

0:25:14.520,0:25:18.960

and then and then we

 

0:25:16.799,0:25:21.120

um and then I started calling in wolves

 

0:25:18.960,0:25:24.179

like

 

0:25:21.120,0:25:27.539

almost I wouldn't say like

 

0:25:24.179,0:25:28.919

often but I would at least call in one

 

0:25:27.539,0:25:32.940

or two a year

 

0:25:28.919,0:25:36.600

and somebody would either

 

0:25:32.940,0:25:38.760

um have a shot or not have a shot or

 

0:25:36.600,0:25:39.480

whatever and

 

0:25:38.760,0:25:41.580

um

 

0:25:39.480,0:25:43.679

but you know I was figuring out how to

 

0:25:41.580,0:25:46.080

start calling them in

 

0:25:43.679,0:25:48.380

and uh

 

0:25:46.080,0:25:51.720

Al and I went out

 

0:25:48.380,0:25:54.720

and decided to film and we put seven

 

0:25:51.720,0:25:56.640

wolves on film in one day really I've

 

0:25:54.720,0:25:59.279

heard this story I've heard I've heard

 

0:25:56.640,0:26:02.820

now tell the story about this before and

 

0:25:59.279,0:26:06.740

it was uh it was a mess like

 

0:26:02.820,0:26:06.740

the very first spot we went to

 

0:26:07.020,0:26:13.559

such a strange thing we get to this area

 

0:26:10.380,0:26:15.960

and I I tell Al I'm gonna voice out

 

0:26:13.559,0:26:18.299

and he said let's just set up

 

0:26:15.960,0:26:20.240

and I said well the problem is Al if

 

0:26:18.299,0:26:22.860

they're not here we're wasting our time

 

0:26:20.240,0:26:24.659

and it's first thing in the morning we

 

0:26:22.860,0:26:28.020

want to make hey

 

0:26:24.659,0:26:29.940

so we get out and I voice out and I'm

 

0:26:28.020,0:26:31.200

waiting for a response and they never

 

0:26:29.940,0:26:34.380

answer

 

0:26:31.200,0:26:38.460

so I'm like okay let's move and the the

 

0:26:34.380,0:26:41.460

method that I use with hunting wolves is

 

0:26:38.460,0:26:43.620

it's similar to Kyle hunting but more

 

0:26:41.460,0:26:45.720

similar to Coyote locating than actually

 

0:26:43.620,0:26:51.419

kind of hunting

 

0:26:45.720,0:26:54.960

a wolf howl is so low and so quiet that

 

0:26:51.419,0:26:57.539

you can only hear him a half mile okay

 

0:26:54.960,0:26:59.580

but Kyle you can hear sometimes well

 

0:26:57.539,0:27:02.100

over a mile yeah yeah

 

0:26:59.580,0:27:04.679

but a wolf you will not hear it over a

 

0:27:02.100,0:27:07.919

half a mile even in the best calmest

 

0:27:04.679,0:27:10.200

conditions half a mile is is really far

 

0:27:07.919,0:27:12.059

to hear a wolf howl no I didn't I did

 

0:27:10.200,0:27:14.820

not did not know that didn't realize

 

0:27:12.059,0:27:16.620

that I've actually heard wolves how in

 

0:27:14.820,0:27:19.559

the Northeast and of course you know I I

 

0:27:16.620,0:27:21.480

hear it and it's like real low tone and

 

0:27:19.559,0:27:22.980

seems like it's forever away and I can

 

0:27:21.480,0:27:25.080

remember I was with my brother when when

 

0:27:22.980,0:27:26.700

I heard I was like man that's that's

 

0:27:25.080,0:27:28.559

wolves you know like you hear something

 

0:27:26.700,0:27:31.580

like what is it saying that's Wolves

 

0:27:28.559,0:27:35.279

yeah man they're forever away but

 

0:27:31.580,0:27:36.900

it was in a half mile sounds like they

 

0:27:35.279,0:27:38.400

were within a half mile if you heard

 

0:27:36.900,0:27:39.539

them they were within a half mile that's

 

0:27:38.400,0:27:41.940

crazy

 

0:27:39.539,0:27:43.860

and just different tone different pitch

 

0:27:41.940,0:27:44.940

you know it just doesn't travel as far

 

0:27:43.860,0:27:48.360

so

 

0:27:44.940,0:27:50.760

what we do is we will drive uh every

 

0:27:48.360,0:27:52.580

half mile get out and locate and then

 

0:27:50.760,0:27:55.980

when we get them to respond

 

0:27:52.580,0:27:58.020

we haven't really fix stuff so we'll

 

0:27:55.980,0:27:59.039

pull up Google Earth and look for a

 

0:27:58.020,0:28:01.740

clearing

 

0:27:59.039,0:28:03.480

somewhere close to us that we can get to

 

0:28:01.740,0:28:07.980

the edge of and try to get them to come

 

0:28:03.480,0:28:11.940

out across it right right so

 

0:28:07.980,0:28:14.100

we did this locate Nothing answered we

 

0:28:11.940,0:28:17.640

get back in the truck and we're driving

 

0:28:14.100,0:28:20.279

half a mile to the next spot and the

 

0:28:17.640,0:28:23.640

biggest wolf I've ever seen was coming

 

0:28:20.279,0:28:28.260

down the road to us oh my gosh coming to

 

0:28:23.640,0:28:31.080

the howl oh gosh and so we pile out of

 

0:28:28.260,0:28:33.480

the truck and we're getting guns and

 

0:28:31.080,0:28:36.240

trying to figure out how far he is and

 

0:28:33.480,0:28:40.140

I'm asking Al how far is it and he's

 

0:28:36.240,0:28:43.559

telling me he's 400 he's 400 and I shoot

 

0:28:40.140,0:28:46.980

and it's way low and I'm like Al how far

 

0:28:43.559,0:28:49.080

is he and he's like he's he's 400 and I

 

0:28:46.980,0:28:52.500

shoot again and it's way low

 

0:28:49.080,0:28:55.559

and so this wolf you know Lopes out of

 

0:28:52.500,0:28:57.419

our lives forever and when I say lope it

 

0:28:55.559,0:29:00.080

makes it sound like they're they're just

 

0:28:57.419,0:29:00.080

moving slow

 

0:29:00.260,0:29:07.200

when a wolf is on the lope he covers

 

0:29:03.360,0:29:10.260

ground faster than a coyote does at her

 

0:29:07.200,0:29:12.900

at a run right they're just they're

 

0:29:10.260,0:29:14.520

three times as big and they just move so

 

0:29:12.900,0:29:17.039

fast I've never seen something cover

 

0:29:14.520,0:29:19.919

ground so fast

 

0:29:17.039,0:29:22.320

and I look at Al and I'm like Al is your

 

0:29:19.919,0:29:24.539

Rangefinder broken and he's like oh [ __ ]

 

0:29:22.320,0:29:27.899

he had a rangefinder hanging around his

 

0:29:24.539,0:29:30.000

neck he didn't even use

 

0:29:27.899,0:29:32.039

I'm like what are you doing you're not

 

0:29:30.000,0:29:35.159

head I'm asking you for range and he's

 

0:29:32.039,0:29:36.260

like I'm I've just figured he was 400

 

0:29:35.159,0:29:39.600

yards

 

0:29:36.260,0:29:41.399

I Reigns coyotes all day long and well

 

0:29:39.600,0:29:43.919

that was the problem is he's used to

 

0:29:41.399,0:29:46.140

seeing coyotes three or four hundred

 

0:29:43.919,0:29:49.020

yards and no one size and everything

 

0:29:46.140,0:29:51.600

like that but you can't tell that with a

 

0:29:49.020,0:29:53.580

wolf unless you've done it a bunch so he

 

0:29:51.600,0:29:57.360

picks up his range finder he clicks it

 

0:29:53.580,0:30:00.480

over there 680 yards it was way further

 

0:29:57.360,0:30:02.580

400 you know right and we put their Jazz

 

0:30:00.480,0:30:03.539

listening from Back East is like well

 

0:30:02.580,0:30:05.340

man they should be able to pick

 

0:30:03.539,0:30:07.320

something else out the range listen if

 

0:30:05.340,0:30:08.940

you've never been out west it's a total

 

0:30:07.320,0:30:10.260

different ball game it is Eastern

 

0:30:08.940,0:30:12.360

Mississippi or even in the midwest

 

0:30:10.260,0:30:14.520

you're gonna have Sagebrush country and

 

0:30:12.360,0:30:16.320

at Mountain Country man you'll think

 

0:30:14.520,0:30:17.640

some even if there's no animal there and

 

0:30:16.320,0:30:20.100

you're just trying to guesstimate across

 

0:30:17.640,0:30:21.419

a canyon or whatever man it's tough to

 

0:30:20.100,0:30:24.120

do if you're not used to it if you don't

 

0:30:21.419,0:30:26.580

have the eye for it well in this area

 

0:30:24.120,0:30:29.399

that we're at is Sagebrush Flats but it

 

0:30:26.580,0:30:31.740

gets five or six feet snow and it was

 

0:30:29.399,0:30:34.080

that's what it was that day it's just

 

0:30:31.740,0:30:35.760

snow and nothing I don't look at besides

 

0:30:34.080,0:30:39.120

snow and maybe an animal that comes out

 

0:30:35.760,0:30:41.100

right yep that's it so you're you're

 

0:30:39.120,0:30:43.559

just basically you're guessing you know

 

0:30:41.100,0:30:45.600

if you were to look across the sea and

 

0:30:43.559,0:30:47.399

try and guess how far right you know

 

0:30:45.600,0:30:50.880

something is floating out there yeah

 

0:30:47.399,0:30:53.760

it's about like that yeah

 

0:30:50.880,0:30:56.340

so uh that wolf was actually coming you

 

0:30:53.760,0:30:58.559

all jumped out to to try to locate new

 

0:30:56.340,0:31:01.559

mouth out and then when y'all was fixing

 

0:30:58.559,0:31:04.380

to go on it's you saw the one was coming

 

0:31:01.559,0:31:07.380

he was coming to the house if we'd have

 

0:31:04.380,0:31:10.740

sat you know put our butts in the snow

 

0:31:07.380,0:31:14.039

where we were it had been in within you

 

0:31:10.740,0:31:15.480

know 15 probably 15 minutes and we'd

 

0:31:14.039,0:31:18.360

have probably killed them at 100 yards

 

0:31:15.480,0:31:20.700

oh my gosh that's a heartbreaker there

 

0:31:18.360,0:31:23.340

but that that's the way it goes you know

 

0:31:20.700,0:31:25.500

and then we go down the road further and

 

0:31:23.340,0:31:27.240

we howl because we know there's more

 

0:31:25.500,0:31:28.500

wolves in there mountain is going to be

 

0:31:27.240,0:31:30.179

just one you know when you're talking

 

0:31:28.500,0:31:31.679

about wolves usually unless it's a

 

0:31:30.179,0:31:35.640

transient or something there's there's a

 

0:31:31.679,0:31:37.260

pack there right yeah yep and we get a

 

0:31:35.640,0:31:39.779

response

 

0:31:37.260,0:31:42.960

and so we start moving in

 

0:31:39.779,0:31:45.360

and as we walk in we find where they had

 

0:31:42.960,0:31:49.080

slept that night there were warm wolf

 

0:31:45.360,0:31:53.399

beds melted in the snow with their fur

 

0:31:49.080,0:31:55.320

still in it and tracks and we I I assume

 

0:31:53.399,0:31:58.200

that we had bumped him out coming into

 

0:31:55.320,0:32:00.600

to locate and they answered us as they

 

0:31:58.200,0:32:02.220

were leaving so then we start then we

 

0:32:00.600,0:32:06.120

started chasing them

 

0:32:02.220,0:32:07.860

not like not like as fast as we can go

 

0:32:06.120,0:32:10.740

because we're going we're going through

 

0:32:07.860,0:32:12.659

deep snow and things like that but we

 

0:32:10.740,0:32:14.820

ended up catching up to him like five or

 

0:32:12.659,0:32:16.820

six hours later and there was a pack of

 

0:32:14.820,0:32:21.260

seven of them oh man

 

0:32:16.820,0:32:24.179

and again it was like

 

0:32:21.260,0:32:26.279

we're not in a as soon as we see him

 

0:32:24.179,0:32:29.399

we're not in a position to call they're

 

0:32:26.279,0:32:32.460

already running and they're scattering

 

0:32:29.399,0:32:36.679

everywhere and Al just gets out and just

 

0:32:32.460,0:32:39.899

starts blazing at him with his 243 and

 

0:32:36.679,0:32:41.640

doesn't touch any of them and I'm just

 

0:32:39.899,0:32:43.760

laughing and the camera guy's like we

 

0:32:41.640,0:32:48.020

can't use any of this footage

 

0:32:43.760,0:32:48.020

Al's never seen a shot he didn't like

 

0:32:50.720,0:32:55.679

he is not afraid to shoot that horn to

 

0:32:53.399,0:32:57.600

the animal he will shoot a case in the

 

0:32:55.679,0:32:59.940

hunt if he has to

 

0:32:57.600,0:33:01.380

I bet just like I said there's lead in

 

0:32:59.940,0:33:03.740

the air there's danger you never know

 

0:33:01.380,0:33:06.960

want to connect

 

0:33:03.740,0:33:08.940

yeah so he'll he'll shoot all the ammo

 

0:33:06.960,0:33:11.340

and just tell Neil Davies hey Neil send

 

0:33:08.940,0:33:14.640

more BBS we need more ammo

 

0:33:11.340,0:33:17.340

but uh that that was just one of those

 

0:33:14.640,0:33:19.679

trips that we just we saw so many wolves

 

0:33:17.340,0:33:22.500

and yeah uh just couldn't get anything

 

0:33:19.679,0:33:24.480

killed everything was fighting against

 

0:33:22.500,0:33:26.460

us and I think you guys have got a trip

 

0:33:24.480,0:33:28.500

planned here a few months to go try

 

0:33:26.460,0:33:31.980

wolves again up to you now

 

0:33:28.500,0:33:34.140

yeah we do yeah we've we've learned a

 

0:33:31.980,0:33:35.580

lot too one thing I've learned about

 

0:33:34.140,0:33:37.559

wolves

 

0:33:35.580,0:33:39.899

they don't like to turn around

 

0:33:37.559,0:33:42.179

like they get headed a direction they've

 

0:33:39.899,0:33:45.059

kind of on a mission I guess yeah they

 

0:33:42.179,0:33:46.860

do they'll uh they'll be headed into an

 

0:33:45.059,0:33:49.140

area and if you're behind them you're

 

0:33:46.860,0:33:51.779

gonna be behind them gonna stop oh man

 

0:33:49.140,0:33:53.820

all day they do not like to turn around

 

0:33:51.779,0:33:56.159

and come back to where they've already

 

0:33:53.820,0:33:58.200

been well let me ask you this say you

 

0:33:56.159,0:34:01.559

say you jump you said you like to locate

 

0:33:58.200,0:34:03.840

so like you'll you'll jump out and howl

 

0:34:01.559,0:34:07.500

nothing answers you move a half a mile

 

0:34:03.840,0:34:10.379

or so try it again if say this scenario

 

0:34:07.500,0:34:12.300

plays out say you get into an area you

 

0:34:10.379,0:34:14.820

jump out and boom

 

0:34:12.300,0:34:17.220

wolves howl back and they're in the

 

0:34:14.820,0:34:19.379

perfect spot for you to say hey we got

 

0:34:17.220,0:34:21.960

time to get set up get this thought out

 

0:34:19.379,0:34:24.000

what we need to do what does a stand

 

0:34:21.960,0:34:26.820

actually look like I mean when I say

 

0:34:24.000,0:34:28.740

that what is a calling sequence look

 

0:34:26.820,0:34:30.119

like what sound what type of sounds are

 

0:34:28.740,0:34:32.879

you going to run through that type of

 

0:34:30.119,0:34:35.399

stuff yeah so the wolf that I actually

 

0:34:32.879,0:34:36.480

ended up killing that that's exactly

 

0:34:35.399,0:34:38.639

what happened

 

0:34:36.480,0:34:42.359

I'm going down this road I have a buddy

 

0:34:38.639,0:34:45.480

with me and we get out and we howl every

 

0:34:42.359,0:34:48.599

half a mile and about 8 30 in the

 

0:34:45.480,0:34:52.320

morning we howl and they answer and

 

0:34:48.599,0:34:54.419

they're close like five to eight hundred

 

0:34:52.320,0:34:57.920

yards away is all

 

0:34:54.419,0:35:01.380

and there's a clearing about 100 yards

 

0:34:57.920,0:35:05.040

from us that we can see and set up on a

 

0:35:01.380,0:35:08.880

fence line and so we're like we got to

 

0:35:05.040,0:35:12.000

go now so we grab our call we grab our

 

0:35:08.880,0:35:13.920

guns and we go and we set up on this

 

0:35:12.000,0:35:15.560

fence line

 

0:35:13.920,0:35:18.780

and

 

0:35:15.560,0:35:21.359

the best sound that I've found for

 

0:35:18.780,0:35:23.280

wolves and this sounds really stupid and

 

0:35:21.359,0:35:25.079

people are going to laugh at me about it

 

0:35:23.280,0:35:27.660

but the best sound that I found for

 

0:35:25.079,0:35:29.880

wolves is Ravens and magpies

 

0:35:27.660,0:35:32.220

okay and the reason why if you ever see

 

0:35:29.880,0:35:34.560

a wolf in the wild you will see Ravens

 

0:35:32.220,0:35:37.500

and magpies with him every single time

 

0:35:34.560,0:35:40.260

they thought they followed them around

 

0:35:37.500,0:35:42.359

just like you know just like a pet yeah

 

0:35:40.260,0:35:44.160

and that's because they know that the

 

0:35:42.359,0:35:46.020

wolves are always going to be finding

 

0:35:44.160,0:35:47.400

carry on or killing something and

 

0:35:46.020,0:35:50.160

they'll always have something to eat

 

0:35:47.400,0:35:53.640

yeah exactly yeah it makes sense

 

0:35:50.160,0:35:57.420

so if you ever watch footage from let's

 

0:35:53.640,0:36:00.240

say Yellowstone Park you'll never see uh

 

0:35:57.420,0:36:03.599

wool footage without Ravens in it or

 

0:36:00.240,0:36:05.579

magpies they're just always around and

 

0:36:03.599,0:36:07.800

it gives them comfort and it creates a

 

0:36:05.579,0:36:11.760

sense of urgency they think if you know

 

0:36:07.800,0:36:13.500

if a raven flock is eating whatever it

 

0:36:11.760,0:36:16.619

is they're eating there may be nothing

 

0:36:13.500,0:36:19.020

left if they wait right so I always

 

0:36:16.619,0:36:21.420

start out with Ravens and magpies just

 

0:36:19.020,0:36:23.640

to calm the area down and just to say

 

0:36:21.420,0:36:26.160

hey there's something interesting over

 

0:36:23.640,0:36:28.140

here that you should you know start this

 

0:36:26.160,0:36:29.820

way right and they're and they're used

 

0:36:28.140,0:36:31.500

to those hands if they're if they're

 

0:36:29.820,0:36:33.359

cleaning on them at all times they hear

 

0:36:31.500,0:36:34.859

it all the time they hear it they hear

 

0:36:33.359,0:36:37.619

it all day every day

 

0:36:34.859,0:36:39.599

so that's what I always start with

 

0:36:37.619,0:36:42.240

um and I'll play that I'll play Ravens

 

0:36:39.599,0:36:45.420

and magpies off and on for

 

0:36:42.240,0:36:49.140

probably four three or four minutes

 

0:36:45.420,0:36:52.500

and then I'll do a Hal of Kyle Hal

 

0:36:49.140,0:36:54.180

and my my theory behind that is Ravens

 

0:36:52.500,0:36:55.920

and magpies have found something to eat

 

0:36:54.180,0:36:58.140

and now there's a coyote there and

 

0:36:55.920,0:36:59.700

wolves hate coyotes they'll kill them

 

0:36:58.140,0:37:01.920

they'll stretch and they'll tear them

 

0:36:59.700,0:37:04.800

apart right if they get an opportunity

 

0:37:01.920,0:37:06.900

to and they will certainly try to run

 

0:37:04.800,0:37:08.400

them off every chance they get I mean

 

0:37:06.900,0:37:12.660

they're competing for the same food

 

0:37:08.400,0:37:15.180

source exactly and so I will do a Kyle

 

0:37:12.660,0:37:18.839

Hal and if that doesn't do anything I'll

 

0:37:15.180,0:37:21.420

do a coyote group or a pair and then

 

0:37:18.839,0:37:25.380

I'll start doing some fights um

 

0:37:21.420,0:37:27.720

and I like any of the fights you know

 

0:37:25.380,0:37:29.400

um like you're talking coyote fights

 

0:37:27.720,0:37:32.460

yeah

 

0:37:29.400,0:37:33.720

um I will wolf howl

 

0:37:32.460,0:37:36.180

um

 

0:37:33.720,0:37:37.740

the lone wolf on Fox Pro works pretty

 

0:37:36.180,0:37:38.520

good

 

0:37:37.740,0:37:41.940

um

 

0:37:38.520,0:37:44.099

but I think it's also

 

0:37:41.940,0:37:48.900

we're used to calling coyotes and we

 

0:37:44.099,0:37:52.200

play things at Volume 15 you know and I

 

0:37:48.900,0:37:54.180

think that's too loud for a wolf okay if

 

0:37:52.200,0:37:56.880

you're if you're doing a wolf howl you

 

0:37:54.180,0:37:59.220

gotta crank it way down I see and and

 

0:37:56.880,0:38:01.140

that's why I like to use my voice a lot

 

0:37:59.220,0:38:04.380

because I control the volume a lot

 

0:38:01.140,0:38:08.400

better and it's not too loud I got you

 

0:38:04.380,0:38:12.180

so I'll do a wolf howl uh Lone Wolf and

 

0:38:08.400,0:38:14.160

then usually if a wolf is coming he's

 

0:38:12.180,0:38:15.480

going to be there in 15 to 20 minutes

 

0:38:14.160,0:38:16.200

okay

 

0:38:15.480,0:38:18.780

um

 

0:38:16.200,0:38:22.440

just like your Kyle the best

 

0:38:18.780,0:38:25.560

this uh prey distress sound for wolves

 

0:38:22.440,0:38:27.480

is adult Cottontail and I don't know why

 

0:38:25.560,0:38:31.680

but you um you've called him into adult

 

0:38:27.480,0:38:35.040

Cottontail a bunch yeah that's the sound

 

0:38:31.680,0:38:37.800

that seems to just get them going I

 

0:38:35.040,0:38:39.839

haven't had any luck with Jackrabbit

 

0:38:37.800,0:38:43.260

which doesn't make any sense I haven't

 

0:38:39.839,0:38:45.420

had any any luck with bird sounds

 

0:38:43.260,0:38:48.000

um and I've even I thought elk calf

 

0:38:45.420,0:38:49.500

distress was gonna be a killer you think

 

0:38:48.000,0:38:52.140

they trip over themselves trying to get

 

0:38:49.500,0:38:54.720

to help calf yeah and I've never called

 

0:38:52.140,0:38:56.760

in a wolf without calf distress which is

 

0:38:54.720,0:38:59.460

just mind-boggling to me but adult

 

0:38:56.760,0:39:01.140

Cottontail for some reason just gets

 

0:38:59.460,0:39:04.140

them fired up and maybe it's just the

 

0:39:01.140,0:39:06.300

area I'm hunting or whatever but right

 

0:39:04.140,0:39:08.460

but that's that those are the the

 

0:39:06.300,0:39:11.160

primary sounds I use

 

0:39:08.460,0:39:16.020

um Ravens and magpies or you know

 

0:39:11.160,0:39:18.000

corvids I use some coyote vocals just

 

0:39:16.020,0:39:20.400

some uh

 

0:39:18.000,0:39:24.900

you know a single coyote like female

 

0:39:20.400,0:39:28.380

Sore house or yep even Kyle Papa and

 

0:39:24.900,0:39:30.720

then you know Kyle pear or uh coyote

 

0:39:28.380,0:39:32.760

group and you know so basically what

 

0:39:30.720,0:39:36.119

you're doing if you get caught or a

 

0:39:32.760,0:39:37.320

wolves located you're in initially just

 

0:39:36.119,0:39:40.320

making

 

0:39:37.320,0:39:42.300

a coyote stand pretty much with a lot of

 

0:39:40.320,0:39:45.540

vocal action and just trying to place

 

0:39:42.300,0:39:47.520

coyotes in on in an area where they have

 

0:39:45.540,0:39:49.020

caught something or they they have been

 

0:39:47.520,0:39:51.900

predating on something and then the

 

0:39:49.020,0:39:54.300

magpies and Ravens coming in there and

 

0:39:51.900,0:39:57.060

it it draws wolves in

 

0:39:54.300,0:40:00.500

yeah the only exception is the wolf howl

 

0:39:57.060,0:40:03.000

and I'll I'll only do a couple of those

 

0:40:00.500,0:40:05.940

and pan them you know three different

 

0:40:03.000,0:40:09.240

directions two or three of them and then

 

0:40:05.940,0:40:10.560

just be quiet and that's what seems to

 

0:40:09.240,0:40:12.720

work so

 

0:40:10.560,0:40:15.300

I called in

 

0:40:12.720,0:40:17.220

um this this particular one this we see

 

0:40:15.300,0:40:18.300

this black wolf coming through the

 

0:40:17.220,0:40:21.240

timber

 

0:40:18.300,0:40:24.480

it's got a white Crest on his chest and

 

0:40:21.240,0:40:27.720

it's not it's not coming hard but it's

 

0:40:24.480,0:40:29.240

definitely you know coming right to us

 

0:40:27.720,0:40:31.920

and

 

0:40:29.240,0:40:33.780

I'm all set up ready to go and I'm

 

0:40:31.920,0:40:35.700

thinking this is the this is the wolf

 

0:40:33.780,0:40:36.839

that I'm gonna kill it's it's a done

 

0:40:35.700,0:40:38.520

deal

 

0:40:36.839,0:40:41.940

and

 

0:40:38.520,0:40:46.079

I hear behind me a truck on the Gravel

 

0:40:41.940,0:40:48.780

Road oh no and it sounds really close

 

0:40:46.079,0:40:52.320

and I'm like that is not good and I turn

 

0:40:48.780,0:40:55.220

around and the truck luckily goes by but

 

0:40:52.320,0:40:57.359

I can see my pickup with the Sun but

 

0:40:55.220,0:41:00.780

glaring off the window

 

0:40:57.359,0:41:03.540

just not very far behind me

 

0:41:00.780,0:41:05.160

because we got out we held and they were

 

0:41:03.540,0:41:08.940

right there and that was where we had to

 

0:41:05.160,0:41:12.000

set up right right now I'm thinking

 

0:41:08.940,0:41:14.099

that wolf clears that chamber he's going

 

0:41:12.000,0:41:15.720

to see my truck

 

0:41:14.099,0:41:17.700

and so I tell my buddy I'm gonna stop

 

0:41:15.720,0:41:19.740

him I'm going to stop him

 

0:41:17.700,0:41:22.980

and as soon as he gets to the edge of

 

0:41:19.740,0:41:24.980

the Timber I just woof with my voice

 

0:41:22.980,0:41:28.740

like you stop with Kyle

 

0:41:24.980,0:41:31.800

he stops perfect facing me I have a

 

0:41:28.740,0:41:35.220

frontal shot and I squeeze the trigger

 

0:41:31.800,0:41:38.160

and I see uh Pine bow deflect right in

 

0:41:35.220,0:41:40.020

front of it oh gosh and the Wolf turns

 

0:41:38.160,0:41:42.500

around and

 

0:41:40.020,0:41:45.660

runs out of my life

 

0:41:42.500,0:41:48.359

you got to be kidding me

 

0:41:45.660,0:41:53.160

and of course my buddy's like what in

 

0:41:48.359,0:41:55.859

the heck did you just do right right so

 

0:41:53.160,0:41:58.500

we go looking because I want to make

 

0:41:55.859,0:42:00.119

sure that you know I didn't somehow hit

 

0:41:58.500,0:42:02.099

it and

 

0:42:00.119,0:42:04.320

no blood

 

0:42:02.099,0:42:06.720

um nothing and I'm just beating down

 

0:42:04.320,0:42:09.060

heartbroken I can't imagine I can't

 

0:42:06.720,0:42:12.060

imagine it's like calling in a

 

0:42:09.060,0:42:13.740

it's like getting a chance at a 200 and

 

0:42:12.060,0:42:15.540

10 inch deer

 

0:42:13.740,0:42:17.940

and nope

 

0:42:15.540,0:42:20.579

keep in mind it was it was a young wolf

 

0:42:17.940,0:42:23.820

oh it don't matter it's a wolf yeah

 

0:42:20.579,0:42:27.240

exactly right it's it's not like a big

 

0:42:23.820,0:42:30.720

120 130 pound wolf but it did not matter

 

0:42:27.240,0:42:34.680

it was a black wolf but I had called in

 

0:42:30.720,0:42:38.760

and I botched it and I was just like I

 

0:42:34.680,0:42:40.380

was sick I called all my buddies hey I

 

0:42:38.760,0:42:43.920

caught in a wolf but guess what happened

 

0:42:40.380,0:42:46.740

I blew the shot of the opportunity of a

 

0:42:43.920,0:42:49.320

lifetime yeah well luckily I had my good

 

0:42:46.740,0:42:51.480

friend that was with me is very upbeat

 

0:42:49.320,0:42:54.660

and positive and

 

0:42:51.480,0:42:57.000

hey Mr Wolf later that day

 

0:42:54.660,0:43:00.900

um in a totally different area

 

0:42:57.000,0:43:04.859

and so he's like okay we've both had

 

0:43:00.900,0:43:07.319

opportunities that we've screwed up but

 

0:43:04.859,0:43:09.359

let's keep hunting because we're on them

 

0:43:07.319,0:43:11.520

we got it you know we got it figured out

 

0:43:09.359,0:43:12.599

now we just gotta kill him yeah he said

 

0:43:11.520,0:43:14.099

he finally said it's time to quit

 

0:43:12.599,0:43:16.319

screwing around it's time to get serious

 

0:43:14.099,0:43:19.020

let's kill yeah

 

0:43:16.319,0:43:21.599

so we just we decided we're gonna go

 

0:43:19.020,0:43:23.940

back to where I missed mine and not the

 

0:43:21.599,0:43:26.400

same clearing but we're going to choose

 

0:43:23.940,0:43:30.060

a clearing about a mile from there

 

0:43:26.400,0:43:32.099

because when we howl when we located we

 

0:43:30.060,0:43:34.079

heard at least two wolves and we only

 

0:43:32.099,0:43:36.060

called in one right

 

0:43:34.079,0:43:40.380

so we're like maybe the one that didn't

 

0:43:36.060,0:43:42.599

get called in will come or whatever

 

0:43:40.380,0:43:45.540

and

 

0:43:42.599,0:43:47.760

I was talking to a buddy that spends a

 

0:43:45.540,0:43:50.760

ton of time up here and he's like

 

0:43:47.760,0:43:54.119

there's a there's a family that has four

 

0:43:50.760,0:43:55.920

had four black pups in it

 

0:43:54.119,0:43:57.780

um a couple years ago and I'm sure

 

0:43:55.920,0:44:00.180

that's the family that you're chasing

 

0:43:57.780,0:44:02.339

over there so

 

0:44:00.180,0:44:06.839

he's like they're still in that area you

 

0:44:02.339,0:44:09.359

go back and so we went back and we

 

0:44:06.839,0:44:11.700

sat up on this big clearing this is a

 

0:44:09.359,0:44:15.060

big clearing we can see 400 yards

 

0:44:11.700,0:44:16.740

instead of like 30 or 40 yards

 

0:44:15.060,0:44:18.839

and uh

 

0:44:16.740,0:44:22.619

again we started out with Ravens and

 

0:44:18.839,0:44:24.599

magpies I how was my voice and we're not

 

0:44:22.619,0:44:27.300

there five minutes and I see a black

 

0:44:24.599,0:44:29.940

wolfing across the clearing about 300

 

0:44:27.300,0:44:31.500

yards out oh man I'm sure when you see

 

0:44:29.940,0:44:34.619

that site you're talking about your

 

0:44:31.500,0:44:37.380

heart racing yep my buddy can't get a

 

0:44:34.619,0:44:39.900

shot and I swing over there

 

0:44:37.380,0:44:43.740

um I'm self filming I have a

 

0:44:39.900,0:44:47.220

video camera set up on the tripod that

 

0:44:43.740,0:44:50.280

I'm using as a rest right so it points

 

0:44:47.220,0:44:52.319

right down the barrel okay okay and so I

 

0:44:50.280,0:44:57.599

just press record I swing the tripod

 

0:44:52.319,0:45:01.800

over there I howl it stops and I'm like

 

0:44:57.599,0:45:04.800

as solid as I can be and I pull the

 

0:45:01.800,0:45:07.560

trigger and I watched the impact through

 

0:45:04.800,0:45:10.319

the scope it like double lungs it

 

0:45:07.560,0:45:13.140

perfect shot and that wolf starts

 

0:45:10.319,0:45:15.780

spinning yup doing doing death spins

 

0:45:13.140,0:45:18.420

right like we've seen any cows do a

 

0:45:15.780,0:45:21.180

hundred times yep uh Jack another round

 

0:45:18.420,0:45:23.339

in and by then it lines out and it heads

 

0:45:21.180,0:45:25.619

into the dark Timber as fast as it can

 

0:45:23.339,0:45:28.380

go oh man then your heart sank so you're

 

0:45:25.619,0:45:30.060

like highest of highs now you're now

 

0:45:28.380,0:45:33.480

you're getting worried I'm sure I would

 

0:45:30.060,0:45:35.819

be yep I was and my buddy's like that

 

0:45:33.480,0:45:38.280

was a great shot that that's a dead wolf

 

0:45:35.819,0:45:41.339

and I'm like I agree that's a dead wolf

 

0:45:38.280,0:45:43.560

but will we find it right right you know

 

0:45:41.339,0:45:45.240

was there snow on the ground or no there

 

0:45:43.560,0:45:47.339

was no there was no snow it was like

 

0:45:45.240,0:45:49.980

September okay like end of September

 

0:45:47.339,0:45:51.420

yeah okay and so these are just starting

 

0:45:49.980,0:45:55.020

to change and

 

0:45:51.420,0:45:58.859

and so now we're uh now we're panicked

 

0:45:55.020,0:46:03.359

and we we go and we find a blood trail

 

0:45:58.859,0:46:06.839

and we start tracking it into the timber

 

0:46:03.359,0:46:10.500

and we get about 50 yards in the timber

 

0:46:06.839,0:46:14.220

it's getting dark and like really dark

 

0:46:10.500,0:46:16.200

the sun is already set right and we're

 

0:46:14.220,0:46:20.220

losing light really fast and the blood

 

0:46:16.200,0:46:23.579

is not very easy to find it's drying up

 

0:46:20.220,0:46:27.780

and there's no tracks to follow

 

0:46:23.579,0:46:29.700

and so he wants to go in and try and you

 

0:46:27.780,0:46:32.700

know see if we can bump it out and shoot

 

0:46:29.700,0:46:34.859

it again and I'm like no we need to

 

0:46:32.700,0:46:36.660

we need to rethink this so we go back to

 

0:46:34.859,0:46:39.540

the truck and I'm like I've got thermal

 

0:46:36.660,0:46:43.380

in here let's get out in the thermal

 

0:46:39.540,0:46:45.780

and maybe you will get lucky and find it

 

0:46:43.380,0:46:47.700

with thermal you know as we as we walk

 

0:46:45.780,0:46:50.220

in there right

 

0:46:47.700,0:46:52.560

so he's never used thermal before so I'm

 

0:46:50.220,0:46:54.839

showing him how to use it and how to you

 

0:46:52.560,0:46:56.880

know renew it and adjust contrast

 

0:46:54.839,0:46:58.260

brightness he's like so what am I

 

0:46:56.880,0:47:00.960

looking for what's it going to look like

 

0:46:58.260,0:47:03.480

and I I said well you're on white hot so

 

0:47:00.960,0:47:05.700

it's going to look like glowing white

 

0:47:03.480,0:47:07.680

and he's like okay like that over there

 

0:47:05.700,0:47:11.339

and I'm like no that's a that's a tree

 

0:47:07.680,0:47:14.400

stump that's still holding some heat but

 

0:47:11.339,0:47:15.780

it's not bright enough yet it's you know

 

0:47:14.400,0:47:17.760

it's going to be brighter I'm looking

 

0:47:15.780,0:47:19.980

with mine and I'm like probably like

 

0:47:17.760,0:47:23.940

that over there

 

0:47:19.980,0:47:26.520

and I'm like wait a minute what is that

 

0:47:23.940,0:47:30.560

what the heck so

 

0:47:26.520,0:47:33.599

we go over there and it's my wolf

 

0:47:30.560,0:47:35.700

it had ran in the dark Timber you know

 

0:47:33.599,0:47:37.859

like a hundred yards and then come out

 

0:47:35.700,0:47:39.900

of it it got confused turn around and

 

0:47:37.859,0:47:42.780

came back and died right on the edge of

 

0:47:39.900,0:47:44.940

the the clearing not less than 30 yards

 

0:47:42.780,0:47:46.560

from uh oh my gosh so you I was able to

 

0:47:44.940,0:47:48.180

spot it just as soon as you got got your

 

0:47:46.560,0:47:50.520

thermal out just trying to teach him

 

0:47:48.180,0:47:52.319

what to look for yeah and I don't think

 

0:47:50.520,0:47:55.619

I would have ever found it because it

 

0:47:52.319,0:47:58.020

was it was 180 degrees the direction you

 

0:47:55.619,0:48:00.000

know so it went in and just like his

 

0:47:58.020,0:48:02.099

chair gone in yeah yeah and just turned

 

0:48:00.000,0:48:04.680

back yeah how how far did it where did

 

0:48:02.099,0:48:06.240

you actually hit him and how far did he

 

0:48:04.680,0:48:09.240

end up running

 

0:48:06.240,0:48:10.680

yeah so I I hit her right behind the the

 

0:48:09.240,0:48:13.680

front shoulder

 

0:48:10.680,0:48:16.200

um double longer uh shooting a six

 

0:48:13.680,0:48:17.940

creedon where I was shooting Hornady

 

0:48:16.200,0:48:22.260

ammo you know yeah

 

0:48:17.940,0:48:26.460

um and it was a perfect shot but she had

 

0:48:22.260,0:48:28.140

still they they absorbed uh ammo like

 

0:48:26.460,0:48:30.660

you wouldn't believe they're super

 

0:48:28.140,0:48:33.000

strong and that's another thing that I

 

0:48:30.660,0:48:36.119

would like to impress upon the listeners

 

0:48:33.000,0:48:39.119

if you're gonna hunt wolves use a big

 

0:48:36.119,0:48:42.540

game cartridge in my opinion even six

 

0:48:39.119,0:48:44.400

Creedmoor is too small okay okay

 

0:48:42.540,0:48:47.040

um I

 

0:48:44.400,0:48:50.220

there's one guy on YouTube

 

0:48:47.040,0:48:55.380

um that that shoots a lot of wolves a

 

0:48:50.220,0:48:58.140

couple every year he uses a 338 or no he

 

0:48:55.380,0:49:01.020

uses a 300 Ultra Mag okay so he goes

 

0:48:58.140,0:49:03.420

he's like ill cutting rig he's shooting

 

0:49:01.020,0:49:05.520

like a hill Crown what he's using yeah

 

0:49:03.420,0:49:07.260

but even with that they'll still suck it

 

0:49:05.520,0:49:09.480

up and take it somehow isn't it

 

0:49:07.260,0:49:13.020

something that is wild it's incredible

 

0:49:09.480,0:49:16.200

so I built a 300 PRC just for hunting

 

0:49:13.020,0:49:18.480

wolves nice nice and it's a lightweight

 

0:49:16.200,0:49:20.940

packable gun you know but that's what

 

0:49:18.480,0:49:24.240

that's what I use now but

 

0:49:20.940,0:49:26.640

um I finally had my wolf down and it was

 

0:49:24.240,0:49:28.400

the exact same wolf that I had missed

 

0:49:26.640,0:49:32.359

that morning

 

0:49:28.400,0:49:35.460

white Crest on an on her chest

 

0:49:32.359,0:49:37.140

Redemption yeah I think what had

 

0:49:35.460,0:49:39.960

happened is

 

0:49:37.140,0:49:42.180

um after I missed her she probably went

 

0:49:39.960,0:49:45.060

and grew back up with the family

 

0:49:42.180,0:49:47.280

and but she was still interested to see

 

0:49:45.060,0:49:48.839

what all those Ravens and magpies were

 

0:49:47.280,0:49:51.359

getting at and

 

0:49:48.839,0:49:53.940

you know and so

 

0:49:51.359,0:49:56.520

it worked and uh

 

0:49:53.940,0:49:59.700

since then I've you know been able to

 

0:49:56.520,0:50:00.599

call him wolves consistently and

 

0:49:59.700,0:50:03.200

um

 

0:50:00.599,0:50:05.700

I haven't shot another one yet because

 

0:50:03.200,0:50:08.220

I'm trying to get wolves for other

 

0:50:05.700,0:50:10.260

people right yeah because I've had other

 

0:50:08.220,0:50:12.599

buddies and stuff who have tried to help

 

0:50:10.260,0:50:13.859

me over the years and so now it's their

 

0:50:12.599,0:50:15.900

turn and

 

0:50:13.859,0:50:17.640

and uh you know I've tried to help out

 

0:50:15.900,0:50:21.200

get one and

 

0:50:17.640,0:50:24.900

but we're uh we're committed to it and

 

0:50:21.200,0:50:27.359

it's been it's been nuts hopefully y'all

 

0:50:24.900,0:50:29.040

could do your trip in September I think

 

0:50:27.359,0:50:31.140

it's when it is hopefully y'all get get

 

0:50:29.040,0:50:34.319

into them I'll get these first wolf is

 

0:50:31.140,0:50:36.599

and speaking of that say in September uh

 

0:50:34.319,0:50:38.400

is there a time of year that you prefer

 

0:50:36.599,0:50:40.260

over others that you seem to have better

 

0:50:38.400,0:50:42.599

luck in calling wolves I know it'd get

 

0:50:40.260,0:50:44.400

pretty tough if you get too deep in the

 

0:50:42.599,0:50:46.859

winter just because the obstacles like

 

0:50:44.400,0:50:48.420

uh the snow Yeah snow and stuff but do

 

0:50:46.859,0:50:50.640

you have a particular favorite time that

 

0:50:48.420,0:50:53.220

you like to try to chase them

 

0:50:50.640,0:50:55.680

I like to chase them between really

 

0:50:53.220,0:50:57.180

between uh

 

0:50:55.680,0:50:59.819

Labor Day

 

0:50:57.180,0:51:02.520

and

 

0:50:59.819,0:51:04.980

um and Thanksgiving okay so September

 

0:51:02.520,0:51:06.839

through November yep

 

0:51:04.980,0:51:08.160

that's when I've had the the most

 

0:51:06.839,0:51:11.160

success

 

0:51:08.160,0:51:14.460

um the area that I hunt by

 

0:51:11.160,0:51:16.140

usually by Thanksgiving there's three

 

0:51:14.460,0:51:17.819

three feet of snow and you can't really

 

0:51:16.140,0:51:18.720

get anywhere unless you're on a snow

 

0:51:17.819,0:51:21.660

machine

 

0:51:18.720,0:51:25.260

and uh a lot of guys will hunt off snow

 

0:51:21.660,0:51:27.300

machines but it's just too hard to pack

 

0:51:25.260,0:51:29.700

cameras and film and stuff in those

 

0:51:27.300,0:51:32.579

conditions right right so that's pretty

 

0:51:29.700,0:51:35.099

tough on equipment for sure yeah so we

 

0:51:32.579,0:51:36.720

we like to you know hunt them in the

 

0:51:35.099,0:51:39.300

fall

 

0:51:36.720,0:51:41.880

um Idaho just opened up year-round

 

0:51:39.300,0:51:44.540

hunting for them uh they opened up

 

0:51:41.880,0:51:47.099

baiting you can use thermal in Idaho now

 

0:51:44.540,0:51:49.319

there's all sorts of different things

 

0:51:47.099,0:51:50.520

going on in Idaho to try and get rid of

 

0:51:49.319,0:51:52.859

them because

 

0:51:50.520,0:51:56.880

they've just decimated the population

 

0:51:52.859,0:52:00.319

you know yeah and you know I

 

0:51:56.880,0:52:04.140

I've been in Wolf country I've seen

 

0:52:00.319,0:52:05.700

I've seen the effects like uh you know

 

0:52:04.140,0:52:08.700

we used to hunt Northeastern Oregon

 

0:52:05.700,0:52:11.640

quite a bit had had some family on

 

0:52:08.700,0:52:13.980

ground up there and I remember what it

 

0:52:11.640,0:52:16.319

was like before wolves got in that area

 

0:52:13.980,0:52:18.680

and then I've seen the aftermath and it

 

0:52:16.319,0:52:21.960

turns it into a total different big game

 

0:52:18.680,0:52:24.000

hunting area it it makes the yeah it

 

0:52:21.960,0:52:25.500

makes the coyote calling so much

 

0:52:24.000,0:52:28.140

different I can remember going up there

 

0:52:25.500,0:52:30.720

in coyote Colin and Kyle's just charging

 

0:52:28.140,0:52:32.339

come in the vocals good come into all

 

0:52:30.720,0:52:34.020

the prey distressed sounds just come

 

0:52:32.339,0:52:35.640

barreling in you know and and shooting

 

0:52:34.020,0:52:38.160

them right on top of the call and now

 

0:52:35.640,0:52:40.559

since they don't do that now no it's

 

0:52:38.160,0:52:43.319

like you know they'll still come but

 

0:52:40.559,0:52:45.059

they stop several times and Survey in

 

0:52:43.319,0:52:46.500

their area and then they trotting of it

 

0:52:45.059,0:52:47.760

and it's like they're worried what's

 

0:52:46.500,0:52:49.200

actually in there killing it because

 

0:52:47.760,0:52:51.720

they know if they come up on a pack of

 

0:52:49.200,0:52:54.359

wolves you know they're they're they're

 

0:52:51.720,0:52:56.940

just as you know they're dead too so it

 

0:52:54.359,0:52:58.260

it yeah these areas

 

0:52:56.940,0:53:01.260

now

 

0:52:58.260,0:53:04.220

yeah coyotes will come a lot later

 

0:53:01.260,0:53:06.540

um and they'll come quiet in a wolf area

 

0:53:04.220,0:53:09.300

sometimes you know they won't come for

 

0:53:06.540,0:53:11.339

20 minutes and they'll just sit five six

 

0:53:09.300,0:53:13.319

hundred yards out and just watch for

 

0:53:11.339,0:53:16.319

five minutes to make sure there's

 

0:53:13.319,0:53:18.180

nothing that's going to kill them

 

0:53:16.319,0:53:20.400

um but yeah that's the same thing I've

 

0:53:18.180,0:53:23.099

experienced yeah usually the coyote

 

0:53:20.400,0:53:25.319

Colin is not very good in an area that

 

0:53:23.099,0:53:26.819

has Wolves yeah well let me ask you this

 

0:53:25.319,0:53:29.280

because you're using a lot of coyote

 

0:53:26.819,0:53:30.720

vocals uh I'm sure they're I'm sure a

 

0:53:29.280,0:53:34.200

coyote's not going to come while you're

 

0:53:30.720,0:53:36.359

running a wolf howl but do you ever call

 

0:53:34.200,0:53:38.160

in coyotes while you're trying to make a

 

0:53:36.359,0:53:40.200

wolf stand and if they do come in they

 

0:53:38.160,0:53:41.640

get a free pass or you you busting a

 

0:53:40.200,0:53:44.460

coyote if they show up while you're

 

0:53:41.640,0:53:47.040

trying to call for wolves well if Al and

 

0:53:44.460,0:53:49.370

I are hunting hell no nothing gets a

 

0:53:47.040,0:53:51.960

free pass it's awesome

 

0:53:49.370,0:53:54.599

[Laughter]

 

0:53:51.960,0:53:57.780

um I've I've told him how we're never

 

0:53:54.599,0:53:59.760

going to kill a a 200 inch deer if we

 

0:53:57.780,0:54:02.700

shoot every you know two point that we

 

0:53:59.760,0:54:05.700

see right and and he laughs about it but

 

0:54:02.700,0:54:06.960

it's hard that's what you say while

 

0:54:05.700,0:54:08.640

you're making your wolf stands and a

 

0:54:06.960,0:54:11.640

coyote comes up maybe [ __ ] that's how

 

0:54:08.640,0:54:13.319

you're referring to it exactly yeah if

 

0:54:11.640,0:54:14.880

he shoots every coyote that comes to the

 

0:54:13.319,0:54:17.160

call we'll probably never kill a wolf

 

0:54:14.880,0:54:18.900

exactly but now I was surprised now with

 

0:54:17.160,0:54:21.660

the suppressors and stuff shooting the

 

0:54:18.900,0:54:24.119

Hawks work stuff it probably doesn't

 

0:54:21.660,0:54:27.119

matter all that much right

 

0:54:24.119,0:54:29.280

um and we we have a hard time giving a

 

0:54:27.119,0:54:32.160

coyote a pass when the camera's rolling

 

0:54:29.280,0:54:34.140

especially right well say Al's not with

 

0:54:32.160,0:54:35.819

you say it's just Tom Austin out there

 

0:54:34.140,0:54:38.339

you're shooting a coyote when he comes

 

0:54:35.819,0:54:39.720

in are you giving him the pass I'm not I

 

0:54:38.339,0:54:41.339

give him a pass

 

0:54:39.720,0:54:43.500

um you waiting on a wolf

 

0:54:41.339,0:54:45.240

yeah I'm waiting on a wolf and I don't

 

0:54:43.500,0:54:47.700

wanna I don't want to mess it up and

 

0:54:45.240,0:54:49.680

also you know I like I love seeing

 

0:54:47.700,0:54:52.020

coyotes and I like having a healthy

 

0:54:49.680,0:54:53.400

coyote population so that I can hunt him

 

0:54:52.020,0:54:58.200

for years to come

 

0:54:53.400,0:54:59.040

and to me a coyote is worth money

 

0:54:58.200,0:55:02.579

um

 

0:54:59.040,0:55:04.500

not just to kill him but to actually be

 

0:55:02.579,0:55:07.200

able to put him on film burn them on

 

0:55:04.500,0:55:11.700

film and you know make some money doing

 

0:55:07.200,0:55:15.660

it that's that's what I like to do so

 

0:55:11.700,0:55:18.119

I don't I won't even really kill coyotes

 

0:55:15.660,0:55:19.500

unless I'm hunting a contest or filming

 

0:55:18.119,0:55:21.720

yeah yeah

 

0:55:19.500,0:55:23.099

um there's there to me there has to be a

 

0:55:21.720,0:55:25.319

reason to kill them I don't like to kill

 

0:55:23.099,0:55:27.300

him just to kill them now I do have some

 

0:55:25.319,0:55:29.940

ranchers that need them gone and I'll

 

0:55:27.300,0:55:31.440

get rid of them that way but even then I

 

0:55:29.940,0:55:34.200

still try to put them on film or

 

0:55:31.440,0:55:35.819

something right yeah yeah well yeah you

 

0:55:34.200,0:55:39.660

kind of get kind of getting that Groove

 

0:55:35.819,0:55:41.640

it's uh you know the filming

 

0:55:39.660,0:55:43.020

filming of coyotes you know filming

 

0:55:41.640,0:55:45.000

coyote hunts it kind of gets in your

 

0:55:43.020,0:55:46.920

blood a little bit too it you know I get

 

0:55:45.000,0:55:49.740

a lot enjoyment out of it you know it

 

0:55:46.920,0:55:51.599

doesn't matter if I'm on a gun on the

 

0:55:49.740,0:55:53.160

camera or maybe doing both you know

 

0:55:51.599,0:55:55.319

let's do some self filming as well I

 

0:55:53.160,0:55:56.880

mean I I really enjoy the filming aspect

 

0:55:55.319,0:55:59.160

of it it's always cool to go back and

 

0:55:56.880,0:56:00.780

watch what you've done uh share it with

 

0:55:59.160,0:56:03.480

friends and family share it with every

 

0:56:00.780,0:56:04.980

you know all of our uh viewers out there

 

0:56:03.480,0:56:07.260

and stuff and you know always something

 

0:56:04.980,0:56:09.540

to go back and look on that I've done in

 

0:56:07.260,0:56:12.420

the past it's it's just cool stuff I

 

0:56:09.540,0:56:14.460

really enjoy that part of it I I do too

 

0:56:12.420,0:56:16.559

I get a real sense of accomplishment I

 

0:56:14.460,0:56:20.339

feel like it's much harder to create

 

0:56:16.559,0:56:23.819

than it is to destroy and yeah I like to

 

0:56:20.339,0:56:26.040

create stuff I like to you know I like

 

0:56:23.819,0:56:28.859

to be artistic and try to

 

0:56:26.040,0:56:31.079

try to do things that that

 

0:56:28.859,0:56:34.740

a lot of people don't necessarily have

 

0:56:31.079,0:56:37.319

the patience or equipment or even the

 

0:56:34.740,0:56:39.780

desire to do and make something cool out

 

0:56:37.319,0:56:43.619

of it you know some of some of my best

 

0:56:39.780,0:56:46.980

memories are what footage I was able to

 

0:56:43.619,0:56:47.940

capture or you know

 

0:56:46.980,0:56:51.000

um

 

0:56:47.940,0:56:53.339

you you calling a mountain lion and

 

0:56:51.000,0:56:54.180

shoot it on film at 30 yards from the

 

0:56:53.339,0:56:57.540

call

 

0:56:54.180,0:56:59.819

it's it's a totally different thing than

 

0:56:57.540,0:57:00.359

just shooting one right

 

0:56:59.819,0:57:02.819

um

 

0:57:00.359,0:57:05.880

just to have it on video you know it's

 

0:57:02.819,0:57:07.859

just now you're talking about one of my

 

0:57:05.880,0:57:09.960

dream hunts there see I say I'm the type

 

0:57:07.859,0:57:12.780

of guy which I'd love to get into Wolves

 

0:57:09.960,0:57:13.980

at some point but I have people ask me a

 

0:57:12.780,0:57:16.260

question all the time you know when you

 

0:57:13.980,0:57:18.599

go wolf hunting all this stuff and I've

 

0:57:16.260,0:57:21.059

always said that you know hey I want to

 

0:57:18.599,0:57:23.760

call in a mountain lion and get him

 

0:57:21.059,0:57:25.740

killed that's that's my first goal and

 

0:57:23.760,0:57:28.680

I've tried it many times heck I've tried

 

0:57:25.740,0:57:30.480

it seems like ever since probably

 

0:57:28.680,0:57:32.460

I don't know it's been a long time I've

 

0:57:30.480,0:57:34.500

been working on it for 15 years anyway

 

0:57:32.460,0:57:36.000

and I've had one opportunity and I blew

 

0:57:34.500,0:57:39.300

it and we ain't gonna get into that

 

0:57:36.000,0:57:40.920

story but I'm I usually try to get a

 

0:57:39.300,0:57:42.359

wolf tag almost every year or not a wolf

 

0:57:40.920,0:57:43.800

tape but a mountain lion tag almost

 

0:57:42.359,0:57:46.440

every year and hopefully the next year

 

0:57:43.800,0:57:47.880

or two I can I can check that one off

 

0:57:46.440,0:57:49.319

the list one of these days then we can

 

0:57:47.880,0:57:52.700

move on to the Wolves I'll be hollering

 

0:57:49.319,0:57:55.440

at you the end time that sounds good

 

0:57:52.700,0:57:58.260

don't threaten me with a good time I

 

0:57:55.440,0:57:59.339

love it all of it yeah I think I think

 

0:57:58.260,0:58:00.540

we're getting here close we've been on

 

0:57:59.339,0:58:03.000

here quite a while to all you start

 

0:58:00.540,0:58:04.920

talking about some fun uh fun topics we

 

0:58:03.000,0:58:07.260

eat up a lot of time pretty pretty quick

 

0:58:04.920,0:58:11.040

we we enjoy you coming on and speaking

 

0:58:07.260,0:58:13.700

well I I truly appreciate it I I love uh

 

0:58:11.040,0:58:17.220

I love what y'all are doing especially

 

0:58:13.700,0:58:20.280

you know the the Foxpro hunting TV

 

0:58:17.220,0:58:23.040

segments that that you're in and I

 

0:58:20.280,0:58:25.319

really appreciate those and I think that

 

0:58:23.040,0:58:27.660

you're doing something great and uh love

 

0:58:25.319,0:58:28.500

to be a part of this great company

 

0:58:27.660,0:58:30.960

um

 

0:58:28.500,0:58:33.839

Foxpro really has been good to me I've

 

0:58:30.960,0:58:36.540

been with them 20 years now and they've

 

0:58:33.839,0:58:38.099

been amazing to me over the years and I

 

0:58:36.540,0:58:41.099

couldn't ask for a better company to

 

0:58:38.099,0:58:43.799

yeah it's a great company and owned by a

 

0:58:41.099,0:58:45.960

great family it's a it's a yeah it's a

 

0:58:43.799,0:58:47.579

it's a good outfit that's for sure I've

 

0:58:45.960,0:58:49.140

done a lot done a lot for the predator

 

0:58:47.579,0:58:51.660

hunting industry you know what I mean

 

0:58:49.140,0:58:54.180

for sure yep yep I love putting out

 

0:58:51.660,0:58:56.400

Foxpro hat on them I take pride in it oh

 

0:58:54.180,0:58:58.500

man proud of it for sure that is a fact

 

0:58:56.400,0:59:00.540

well hopefully maybe you can get on a

 

0:58:58.500,0:59:02.819

hump here sometime this year or in the

 

0:59:00.540,0:59:05.579

near future I'd like to like to share a

 

0:59:02.819,0:59:07.859

few stands with you yeah I would love

 

0:59:05.579,0:59:09.900

that absolutely yeah and hopefully

 

0:59:07.859,0:59:12.240

hopefully you and Al have some luck here

 

0:59:09.900,0:59:14.640

in September on your all's upcoming uh

 

0:59:12.240,0:59:16.920

wolf wolf trip we'll have to get you

 

0:59:14.640,0:59:18.599

guys back on here after that trip just

 

0:59:16.920,0:59:21.000

to just to go over it hopefully we'll be

 

0:59:18.599,0:59:23.400

talking about a about a wolf you guys

 

0:59:21.000,0:59:24.780

have called in put on uh put on film but

 

0:59:23.400,0:59:26.579

if not I'm sure you guys are going to

 

0:59:24.780,0:59:28.440

have a fun trip we need to get back on

 

0:59:26.579,0:59:30.599

after that's over with and we'll we'll

 

0:59:28.440,0:59:32.160

do us another podcast and and see how

 

0:59:30.599,0:59:34.500

that went talk about the trip what do

 

0:59:32.160,0:59:36.720

you think yeah sounds great

 

0:59:34.500,0:59:38.400

well yeah till next time we hope

 

0:59:36.720,0:59:39.540

everyone enjoyed this episode we hope

 

0:59:38.400,0:59:42.319

you join us again right here on the

 

0:59:39.540,0:59:42.319

Foxpro podcast