FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Stacey Morris talk mountain lions and coyotes and the best tactics for hunting both.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast on
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this episode we're going to be
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discussing coyote calling and Mountain
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Lion calling should be a good one
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joining us is Fox Pro staffer Stacy
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Morse who has a ton of experience
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calling coyotes and lions before we get
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started I want to let everyone know that
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we're starting to roll out the new
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right let's get to the discussion how
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you been doing Stacy how you doing Mr
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Collins I'm I've been doing pretty good
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pretty good I've been doing pretty good
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as well but I will say one thing it is
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hot down here in the Bluegrass State I
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think it's supposed to be like 96 97
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today and we've already got some uh
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Heat's already built up pretty good and
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we're going to have some pretty high
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humidity too so it's a it's a steamy one
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out there
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oh yeah oh yeah it's it's been 110 to
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114 here in Tucson and I feel you it's
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it's hot
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are you getting out doing any coyote
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hunting in that uh that type of heat
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uh during the daytime it's it's short
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you only you only get one or two stands
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in the morning and one or two right it
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right before the sun goes down but yeah
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you can still get it done
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you know before they shut down and then
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of course if you if you hunt at night uh
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there's that opportunity too so that
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seems to be better a better option right
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now right right well you stay you stay
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after them pretty heavy you pretty much
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hunt you around don't you
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yes sir I do I yeah
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besides doing a few little out of state
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contests I uh I do Predator control and
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so that keeps me busy almost 12 months a
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year right 12 months a year I'm always
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after yep
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as Stacy you know for you guys out there
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listen you know Stacy is an excellent
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excellent coyote caller he does it on a
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professional level you just heard him
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mention that does it on a professional
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level down in Arizona New Mexico doing
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some Predator control work for some
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livestock ranches and Stacy uh also has
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called in several Mountain lines over
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the years and he's going to tell us a
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little bit about that and I'm pretty
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excited to hear about that stuff myself
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because I've tried for mountain lions
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off and on for
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I don't know ever since back in like
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2005 and I've never been able to uh
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succeed with that so I'm looking forward
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to this podcast but Stacy uh if you
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don't mind you care to tell us a bit
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more about yourself
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yes sir my name's Stacy Morris and again
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we I'm from Tucson and
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you know I got into uh Predator Colin
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at a really young age my dad my dad and
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Granddad they did pray prayer control
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that's my granddad that's what he did
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for his livelihood
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and then my dad did it and um
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and then shortly after you know as I got
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six seven eight years old my dad started
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taking me uh
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uh coyote calling and you know the old
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22 magnum 22 Hornet K Hornet and uh
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it just got addicting and then you know
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soon after dad started doing contests
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and we were going every weekend all over
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the country you know
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and then my dad also was good friends
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with uh
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Bill Countess up in Colorado yeah yeah
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yeah
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that's who put on the the world's uh
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coyote yes sir yep
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and so he called Dad and he's like uh
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why aren't you ever doing this and he's
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like well I just
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never never thought we'd really have a
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chance because there's some pretty high
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talent that that it gets uh involved in
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that he said no you'll have a great time
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so dad asked me to go
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well that year we did really good we got
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we won the world uh father and son and
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uh it's it's a pretty big achievement
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there yes sir and uh second overall nice
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um we had a chance you know nerves
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nerves got to me a little bit and I
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missed we wound up with uh 12 the first
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day but I missed four
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and you know right off the bat that
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morning my dad just looked over like a
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dad does and he just set his hand on me
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he's like just calm down right it's like
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every other you know and every crowd
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after that went in the truck every
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coyote would call after that win the
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truck and we wound up with uh 16.
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and 18 yeah 18 won at that year and
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those guys you know you when you get in
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that level of competition every coyote
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counts exactly exactly
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so that was a huge learning curve and
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then uh and then I did contests you know
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years and won a few state championships
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a couple state championships and uh
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and then uh a few years back five or six
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about five years back a friend come to
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me and he said
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I rolled my car and I'm hurt really bad
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I said I need help you know doing some
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contract work are you interested in I
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said yes sir
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he said well you call really good you
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shoot really good I said I think he'll
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be a good a good match and
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it's been history ever since I've been
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doing it's every weekend every weekend
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I'm not and after work you know I'm gone
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you know helping out helping him or
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fulfilling my own contracts and
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it's been it's been a blessing I tell
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you it's it sounds like a dream job to
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me
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it really is but the you know the most
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important thing about contract is what
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you think about calling you know contest
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calling you learn so much more it's made
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me three times the coyote color I ever
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was
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because now you have to produce
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you just told you just told a Rancher
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hey I'm the guy and I'll take care of
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your problems so right yeah you've got
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uh you've got their livelihood in your
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hands so to speak and your own as well I
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mean that's uh that can really
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you know change the mind of a of a
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coyote Hunter how he goes about calling
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how he goes about you know just actually
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killing coyotes what type of rifle
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issues what caliberry shoots what kind
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of caul he runs the sounds he runs
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because it's it's more about just
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getting out there and uh you know you
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might like
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um the 17 Hornet but you probably need
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to be shooting something a little bit
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better if you want to be making sure you
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put every coyote that comes in on the
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ground right that's exactly right it's
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uh it really taught me taught me the
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definition of evolving and you know you
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had to manage your sounds manage your
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calibers manage how you set up and how
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much exposure you give them and and just
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the whole technique of what you how you
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call drastically changes right yeah you
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know the the caliber thing that's a
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that's a touchy subject for a lot of
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people you know you see on Facebook you
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see it on Facebook all the time Stacy
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you know and I do as well sometimes I'm
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looking like guys what are you what are
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you thinking you know
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um I've shot almost uh well a little bit
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of everything I've shot the 17 Remington
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in the past which is a little Center
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fire deal you know what that is Stacy
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and uh shot to 204 or some I've shot
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223s and I've shot about everything but
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once I started doing this for a living
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when when my you know
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how I pay my bills has to do with me
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killing coyotes man I walked away from
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him 17 Remington 204 is pretty quick you
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won't hardly ever catch me shoot
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anything lesser than a 22 250 now it's
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22 250 six Creeds 22 Creeds all that
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type of stuff you know the the little
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stuff the little marginal stuff kind of
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just thrown to the side that you still
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see guys will ask a question on Facebook
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and stuff like that it's like hey what's
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the best caliber for coyotes and you
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always see somebody put some little
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video pea shooter in there and you're
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like are you serious is that really the
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best you know if your life depended on
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it that's what you're going to take out
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that's exactly right and I just I just
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kind of sit back and laugh and it's like
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you you see all these you know comments
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that that you're like you picture this
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in your mind and you're thinking well
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how many coyotes Got Away using that
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caliber that bullet because when it's
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your profession you shoot a lot of
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ammunition testing yep a lot and like
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you said when you're
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when your livelihood depends on it you
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you quickly find out and start settling
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to just a handful of calibers that
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really do put fur on the ground 243 is
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one of them it's a good one too yes one
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of the best ever ever that's hit the
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coyote Colin world I mean it's on the
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Mount Rushmore of coyote calibers so to
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speak yeah I totally agree and you hit
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the nail right on the head too when it
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comes to ammo I mean you know there's
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some of that stuff there's just some
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stuff it just does better than other
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certain bullets that perform better than
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others certain bullet weights uh that
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perform so much better than others in
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certain calibers and and guys don't
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don't turn this podcast off if I've said
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if I've downed you caliber this is not
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what that's about I'm just saying you
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know because I shot all that stuff I
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loved I love shooting a 17 Remington
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when I did run it I would still use it a
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little bit today if I still had it it
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actually got stolen out of my Dagon
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pickup truck one time but uh well it's
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only time but anyway it's my busting my
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window out took my took my 17 Remington
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that was many moons ago and you know yes
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sir I've thought about getting another
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one but then I think back
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you know I lost coyotes to it you know
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I'd shoot coyotes every you know one out
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of every so many coyotes you was gonna
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you weren't gonna find you know produced
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a lot of Runners and then when I got to
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doing what I am today I pretty much quit
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thinking about this 17 Remington same
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thing for the 204 I have Damned
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I'm talking about Stone Cold chilled
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yeah you're telling how many coyote to
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the 204. I mean I'm talking about not
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somebody's killed a dozen or two coyotes
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with a 204 I've killed a couple hundred
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or more coyotes of the 204 but I've lost
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I've lost several coils to a 204. I've
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seen many Runners where they run 50 60
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even 100 yards before they pile up and
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you know then once I've you know bumped
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on up and started shooting like you just
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said 243 six Creed 22 250. all those
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type of calories 22 crew I've killed a
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lot of coyotes with 22 Creed it's just
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so much more killing power you got there
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yes sir and you know that a lot of
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people don't think about the shock
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that's generated off of it and and
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that's that's as much as anything when
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you hit those a little bit bigger
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calendar calibers they just carry that
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more that that next higher level of
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killing power that's right that's right
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and uh and I think for me I owe it to
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the animal to make it as quick as
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possible oh man it's 100 100 they
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deserve it I really do I mean I know a
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lot of people yes sir don't like I love
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Coyotes I know a lot of people I hate a
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coyote but if you love them or hate them
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they still deserve deserve a little bit
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better you know what I mean I mean go
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ahead and get them get them dispatched
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right yes sir and another thing when it
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comes to calibers you know you always
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hear you know you'll see people say this
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or that and you'll see somebody say well
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you know you probably should stay away
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from them little bitty 17 hmrs and all
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that stuff and you'll always see this
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same old comment and everybody out there
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is listening knows what I'm fixing to
0:11:50.100,0:11:54.360
say and I know you know what too Daisy
0:11:52.440,0:11:56.700
oh I have somebody pop up and say well
0:11:54.360,0:11:58.920
it's all about shot placement oh
0:11:56.700,0:12:01.140
absolutely of course it is but we're
0:11:58.920,0:12:03.420
talking about calling coyotes it's a
0:12:01.140,0:12:05.040
fast-paced situation sometimes we're
0:12:03.420,0:12:06.839
having to take running shots we might
0:12:05.040,0:12:08.459
shoot a coyote at six steps right at the
0:12:06.839,0:12:11.820
end of our Gun Barrel we might be
0:12:08.459,0:12:14.579
shooting coyotes 500 plus yards and you
0:12:11.820,0:12:17.040
know fast-paced situations it ranges
0:12:14.579,0:12:19.920
right up close and personal to Extended
0:12:17.040,0:12:21.779
ranges sometimes absolutely sometimes
0:12:19.920,0:12:24.720
shot placement can be a little left
0:12:21.779,0:12:27.000
right up down it's just it's just how it
0:12:24.720,0:12:29.399
is a coyote's got to move as soon as you
0:12:27.000,0:12:30.959
squeeze it off and I tell you what if
0:12:29.399,0:12:33.120
you're shooting a caliber that's got a
0:12:30.959,0:12:35.459
little bit more butt behind it and a
0:12:33.120,0:12:37.019
great bullet you're going to pick up a
0:12:35.459,0:12:38.579
lot of those coyotes that maybe isn't
0:12:37.019,0:12:40.800
the perfect shot it's still going to
0:12:38.579,0:12:43.380
Stone Cold Chillum or they're just going
0:12:40.800,0:12:45.600
to spin and go five or six yards versus
0:12:43.380,0:12:49.139
losing a coyote you know never say
0:12:45.600,0:12:51.720
anything exactly and for me
0:12:49.139,0:12:55.320
you know if I Stone Cold kill one with
0:12:51.720,0:12:57.480
one shot I get on the remote I hit just
0:12:55.320,0:12:59.519
a little bit of Pub distress and now I'm
0:12:57.480,0:13:02.459
calling again and now I turn to one
0:12:59.519,0:13:05.040
coyote stand in to a two two coyote
0:13:02.459,0:13:07.200
stand or three coyote stand because you
0:13:05.040,0:13:09.300
know if you'd make that just one shot a
0:13:07.200,0:13:10.980
coyote will stop and listen and if the
0:13:09.300,0:13:14.339
next thing he hears
0:13:10.980,0:13:16.079
is pup distress or or whatever you
0:13:14.339,0:13:19.380
follow that up with real quick and then
0:13:16.079,0:13:21.480
get back in your sequence now you're
0:13:19.380,0:13:24.540
producing more because there's more than
0:13:21.480,0:13:27.360
just one coyote up there right and uh
0:13:24.540,0:13:30.360
it's it's there's more to it than than
0:13:27.360,0:13:33.180
you know what just meets the eye it's
0:13:30.360,0:13:35.579
it's follow-up you know turning like I
0:13:33.180,0:13:38.040
said turn one Cloud into two possibly
0:13:35.579,0:13:40.260
three shoot I've killed as many as five
0:13:38.040,0:13:41.700
on one stand singles all singles coming
0:13:40.260,0:13:45.720
in yeah
0:13:41.700,0:13:47.820
and uh you just you just
0:13:45.720,0:13:50.100
I don't know I think it's a money maker
0:13:47.820,0:13:53.519
you know that that little bit higher
0:13:50.100,0:13:55.860
caliber it produces way more right you
0:13:53.519,0:13:58.100
get way more out of it oh yeah we kind
0:13:55.860,0:14:00.959
of got off on a tangent here but
0:13:58.100,0:14:02.459
I actually just saw all these posts it
0:14:00.959,0:14:05.160
was already fresh my mind as soon as we
0:14:02.459,0:14:07.860
start to State it anyway you know we'll
0:14:05.160,0:14:09.540
move on from this but okay one one last
0:14:07.860,0:14:12.839
thing to say about it you know for
0:14:09.540,0:14:15.300
everybody you know there's
0:14:12.839,0:14:17.820
you know every coyote comes to the cause
0:14:15.300,0:14:20.760
of blessing coyote bobcat mountain lion
0:14:17.820,0:14:23.100
whatever Fox you know making shots count
0:14:20.760,0:14:25.380
you know it's there's so much work that
0:14:23.100,0:14:27.420
goes into it and all of us if you're
0:14:25.380,0:14:28.620
listening to this we all love it so I
0:14:27.420,0:14:29.760
mean make sure you're putting them
0:14:28.620,0:14:31.860
coyotes down there ain't no sense
0:14:29.760,0:14:34.100
leaving it to chance on a lesser bullet
0:14:31.860,0:14:36.540
or lesser caliber right
0:14:34.100,0:14:39.420
exactly right I mean
0:14:36.540,0:14:40.920
it's like I said it just you have way
0:14:39.420,0:14:44.760
more fun and this is the biggest thing
0:14:40.920,0:14:47.880
it's way more fun it produces me and
0:14:44.760,0:14:50.940
and especially with kids it's just they
0:14:47.880,0:14:52.980
there's big eyed smiles and it's it's
0:14:50.940,0:14:54.120
just that's that's right and you get the
0:14:52.980,0:14:56.339
nail right on the head right there it's
0:14:54.120,0:14:58.740
more fun it's more fun to drop a kite on
0:14:56.339,0:14:59.940
these tracks than as a search for one
0:14:58.740,0:15:01.800
for a couple hundred yards through
0:14:59.940,0:15:03.959
thickets and Briars and can't deep
0:15:01.800,0:15:07.199
canyons and all that stuff yes let's
0:15:03.959,0:15:09.060
let's move on here let's get back to the
0:15:07.199,0:15:10.440
to the coyote calling you don't know
0:15:09.060,0:15:12.480
you're doing it on a professional level
0:15:10.440,0:15:15.000
and you're down in the southwest Arizona
0:15:12.480,0:15:17.579
New Mexico area and stuff how many
0:15:15.000,0:15:19.760
coyotes have you been killing a year
0:15:17.579,0:15:21.779
over the last two or three years in this
0:15:19.760,0:15:25.199
line of work
0:15:21.779,0:15:27.720
but see my year starts my year starts
0:15:25.199,0:15:29.760
July 1st and then it goes all the way to
0:15:27.720,0:15:33.540
July 1st
0:15:29.760,0:15:35.000
um just this month alone I've killed 32
0:15:33.540,0:15:38.880
so far
0:15:35.000,0:15:42.060
and uh over the past three years
0:15:38.880,0:15:45.720
just contract work has been in excess of
0:15:42.060,0:15:47.519
700. and in the last three years in the
0:15:45.720,0:15:50.160
last three years yes sir it's not
0:15:47.519,0:15:52.380
including just going out and you know
0:15:50.160,0:15:54.660
calling with my buddies you know Jeremy
0:15:52.380,0:15:59.100
and Bailey and and some other guys
0:15:54.660,0:16:01.740
that's just just contract work yeah yeah
0:15:59.100,0:16:05.579
and that's strictly Colin that's not
0:16:01.740,0:16:08.160
trapping that's coming to the uh x24
0:16:05.579,0:16:10.620
Colin and Keela I like it calling and
0:16:08.160,0:16:12.120
killing seven over 700 coyotes in the
0:16:10.620,0:16:13.800
last three years you guys hearing that
0:16:12.120,0:16:16.260
y'all better be listening up for us his
0:16:13.800,0:16:17.579
podcast all of them it's left we
0:16:16.260,0:16:20.760
probably drove some of them off talking
0:16:17.579,0:16:22.680
about talking about calibers a lot of
0:16:20.760,0:16:25.019
you you know I've said that a little bit
0:16:22.680,0:16:26.940
and people's like uh you you keep
0:16:25.019,0:16:30.540
counting I was like yes sir I actually
0:16:26.940,0:16:34.019
do I I write them down on paper and well
0:16:30.540,0:16:36.899
that's how you build yeah and exactly
0:16:34.019,0:16:38.880
but I also manage my sounds I write
0:16:36.899,0:16:40.639
everything down I manage my sounds where
0:16:38.880,0:16:44.040
I called what I used
0:16:40.639,0:16:45.899
I manage everything and you've got to
0:16:44.040,0:16:48.720
especially if you're either a contract
0:16:45.899,0:16:50.519
work for a Rancher and uh you've got to
0:16:48.720,0:16:52.220
hunt it year round I mean you've got a
0:16:50.519,0:16:54.720
map out that place you've got to be
0:16:52.220,0:16:56.399
knowing what sounds you played when and
0:16:54.720,0:16:58.680
where and because you got to change
0:16:56.399,0:17:02.160
things up to keep things fresh to keep
0:16:58.680,0:17:05.339
killing exactly and just off of one
0:17:02.160,0:17:07.880
property uh last year I killed uh 187
0:17:05.339,0:17:07.880
coyotes
0:17:08.839,0:17:15.600
just off of one property that's build
0:17:11.880,0:17:18.720
coyotes and you know it's
0:17:15.600,0:17:20.699
yeah it's a blessing it's I very
0:17:18.720,0:17:21.660
thankful for what I know and what I can
0:17:20.699,0:17:23.339
do
0:17:21.660,0:17:27.059
well he was talking about earlier about
0:17:23.339,0:17:29.040
you know you do night hunting and day
0:17:27.059,0:17:30.720
hunting and you're probably like you're
0:17:29.040,0:17:32.900
talking about with the heat right now
0:17:30.720,0:17:35.760
you're predominantly night hunting right
0:17:32.900,0:17:38.220
yes sir yes sir and you'll do both
0:17:35.760,0:17:40.500
through throughout the year you know
0:17:38.220,0:17:42.059
year round just so you can make sure
0:17:40.500,0:17:43.919
you're staying on top of these coyotes
0:17:42.059,0:17:47.700
for these ranchers is that correct
0:17:43.919,0:17:50.340
exactly right and um and I'll switch it
0:17:47.700,0:17:52.940
up because you know I
0:17:50.340,0:17:56.280
you said it as much as anybody else
0:17:52.940,0:17:58.980
coyotes learn they are extremely
0:17:56.280,0:18:01.799
intelligent and so you know you start
0:17:58.980,0:18:03.960
night hunting and then they kind of pick
0:18:01.799,0:18:07.080
up on that and then I'll move back to
0:18:03.960,0:18:09.299
day hunting yep and it kind of switches
0:18:07.080,0:18:11.400
up things and and uh
0:18:09.299,0:18:13.740
you got to do that remember I said
0:18:11.400,0:18:15.360
earlier you got to evolve and
0:18:13.740,0:18:16.919
that's one of the learning curves you
0:18:15.360,0:18:19.679
start learning
0:18:16.919,0:18:21.419
how coyotes React to what you're doing
0:18:19.679,0:18:24.120
and um
0:18:21.419,0:18:26.940
patience is key a lot of your stands
0:18:24.120,0:18:29.160
even now at night even at night with the
0:18:26.940,0:18:30.960
heat they don't move they don't move
0:18:29.160,0:18:33.480
like they do in the wintertime right
0:18:30.960,0:18:36.080
some of my stands I'll see them coming
0:18:33.480,0:18:38.820
I'll see them coming for
0:18:36.080,0:18:42.360
25-30 minutes a stand will take 45
0:18:38.820,0:18:45.120
minutes even at night yeah yeah and and
0:18:42.360,0:18:48.000
you just you just patiently keep keep
0:18:45.120,0:18:50.220
working and and getting those educated
0:18:48.000,0:18:53.760
coyotes in the back of the truck
0:18:50.220,0:18:56.340
and they uh
0:18:53.760,0:18:58.500
they get smart so you really have to be
0:18:56.340,0:19:00.539
careful on what you're doing right so
0:18:58.500,0:19:02.880
with like your experience with what
0:19:00.539,0:19:04.740
you're doing here with a night hunting
0:19:02.880,0:19:06.900
and day hunting you know I know a lot of
0:19:04.740,0:19:08.400
guys that's all they do is you know on
0:19:06.900,0:19:11.280
both ends I know guys that just day
0:19:08.400,0:19:12.539
hunting no guys that just night hunt uh
0:19:11.280,0:19:15.419
they won't even think about making
0:19:12.539,0:19:18.000
daytime stands wherever they hunt do you
0:19:15.419,0:19:20.039
feel like people that that get get in
0:19:18.000,0:19:22.320
those situations like we all know that
0:19:20.039,0:19:24.179
nighttime is is more productive I mean
0:19:22.320,0:19:25.919
it's there is no time when they're on
0:19:24.179,0:19:30.299
their feet being a coyote right
0:19:25.919,0:19:32.940
yes sir 100 do you feel like still with
0:19:30.299,0:19:34.919
night hunting people that just night
0:19:32.940,0:19:36.780
hunt and won't never make any day stands
0:19:34.919,0:19:38.700
do you think they're probably leaving
0:19:36.780,0:19:40.620
coyotes on a table or do you think they
0:19:38.700,0:19:43.140
can get them out at night
0:19:40.620,0:19:45.299
from personal experience hands down I
0:19:43.140,0:19:47.160
agree with that 100 because it's
0:19:45.299,0:19:50.700
happening it happens to me
0:19:47.160,0:19:54.059
uh day in and day out because
0:19:50.700,0:19:57.780
they get used to again you know you set
0:19:54.059,0:20:01.260
up in this area and I often change areas
0:19:57.780,0:20:03.660
uh or change stand locations to make
0:20:01.260,0:20:04.679
sure that they don't they don't get used
0:20:03.660,0:20:06.720
to
0:20:04.679,0:20:08.100
that certain area and it keeps them
0:20:06.720,0:20:09.419
coming but
0:20:08.100,0:20:11.700
uh
0:20:09.419,0:20:13.799
I've had them stand out and bark and
0:20:11.700,0:20:15.179
I'll locate them on my GPS I'll come
0:20:13.799,0:20:17.400
back in a day
0:20:15.179,0:20:19.620
not first thing in the morning I'll let
0:20:17.400,0:20:23.400
the sun come up around 9 30 10 o'clock
0:20:19.620,0:20:25.620
and I'll sit on that stand and I've told
0:20:23.400,0:20:28.200
a lot of people they asked me how do you
0:20:25.620,0:20:30.000
do it and I said patience is key was
0:20:28.200,0:20:32.760
educated coyotes who can't get in a
0:20:30.000,0:20:36.480
hurry and you have to slow roll it
0:20:32.760,0:20:38.640
a simple little how and wait and then
0:20:36.480,0:20:41.340
and then go into your sequence maybe a
0:20:38.640,0:20:44.460
little bit of rabbits and crows whatever
0:20:41.340,0:20:47.640
but you you slow roll it in those stands
0:20:44.460,0:20:49.679
somewhere upward 20 30 minutes that they
0:20:47.640,0:20:51.900
produce because now they're used to me
0:20:49.679,0:20:53.880
calling at night but something new is
0:20:51.900,0:20:57.900
happening during the day
0:20:53.880,0:21:01.320
and I've hit quad just the other morning
0:20:57.900,0:21:04.799
um I did that exact approach uh Saturday
0:21:01.320,0:21:08.640
I did that exact approach called in sick
0:21:04.799,0:21:09.720
coyotes killed four I only left two leap
0:21:08.640,0:21:11.520
because
0:21:09.720,0:21:14.640
yes sir
0:21:11.520,0:21:17.100
is I called it night they held me out so
0:21:14.640,0:21:18.960
I just stopped you know you don't want
0:21:17.100,0:21:20.340
to just keep a lot of times you don't
0:21:18.960,0:21:22.500
just don't want to keep throwing sounds
0:21:20.340,0:21:25.080
at him stop
0:21:22.500,0:21:27.179
move on and then come back maybe in the
0:21:25.080,0:21:29.820
morning maybe the next morning but
0:21:27.179,0:21:32.760
change what you're doing and come back
0:21:29.820,0:21:34.980
and you'll trigger that that group or
0:21:32.760,0:21:36.299
that single coyote or whoever busted you
0:21:34.980,0:21:39.000
and get them in and kill them right
0:21:36.299,0:21:42.240
right well it's that's great stuff I
0:21:39.000,0:21:43.700
mean so you had a family group Six
0:21:42.240,0:21:46.080
concerts
0:21:43.700,0:21:49.799
up on you at night time
0:21:46.080,0:21:52.140
yes sir and you switch gears you know I
0:21:49.799,0:21:54.240
and we did a podcast over uh pressure
0:21:52.140,0:21:56.700
coyotes you know honey hunting educated
0:21:54.240,0:21:59.039
coyotes now use the term conditioned
0:21:56.700,0:22:00.600
though would you would you say it's fair
0:21:59.039,0:22:02.100
to say that those coyote you kind of
0:22:00.600,0:22:03.780
condition those coyotes to your
0:22:02.100,0:22:07.260
nighttime schedule go on there and
0:22:03.780,0:22:09.419
trying them exactly right what I chalked
0:22:07.260,0:22:11.159
that up to is I made a call three
0:22:09.419,0:22:13.559
quarters of a mile a mile down the road
0:22:11.159,0:22:18.360
and I think they heard me and when I
0:22:13.559,0:22:20.880
killed it up yeah yeah sir and um
0:22:18.360,0:22:23.100
so what I did is I just changed tactics
0:22:20.880,0:22:24.840
changed locations and
0:22:23.100,0:22:26.760
and came back at them at a different
0:22:24.840,0:22:28.559
time during the day and they just
0:22:26.760,0:22:31.140
weren't used to that and
0:22:28.559,0:22:34.080
I think I think people leave so many
0:22:31.140,0:22:35.760
coyotes on the table not not taking uh
0:22:34.080,0:22:38.400
the opportunity to call during the day
0:22:35.760,0:22:40.860
if they primarily night hunt it's
0:22:38.400,0:22:42.960
awesome info I had some had a family
0:22:40.860,0:22:45.659
group of coyotes whooping up on Stacy
0:22:42.960,0:22:47.220
trying to night hunt them switch gears
0:22:45.659,0:22:49.919
came back and tried them during the day
0:22:47.220,0:22:51.720
and killed a quad caught in six coyotes
0:22:49.919,0:22:55.080
and killed four out of six that's pretty
0:22:51.720,0:22:59.640
impressive yes sir yes sir
0:22:55.080,0:23:01.860
pretty impressive man I that's uh
0:22:59.640,0:23:04.080
you know I I know on the opposite end of
0:23:01.860,0:23:06.299
that you know I'm I'm a daytime Hunter I
0:23:04.080,0:23:10.320
know I've been places that uh I've
0:23:06.299,0:23:11.820
screwed the coyotes up and be like man I
0:23:10.320,0:23:13.620
need to come back in here at night I bet
0:23:11.820,0:23:15.659
I could kill them at night and it's not
0:23:13.620,0:23:17.940
really saying that the night time is
0:23:15.659,0:23:20.100
easier it's just saying hey I've
0:23:17.940,0:23:21.960
conditioned these coyotes trying to hunt
0:23:20.100,0:23:23.580
them during the day I bet I could come
0:23:21.960,0:23:24.780
in from a different end and hunt them at
0:23:23.580,0:23:26.760
a total different time which would be
0:23:24.780,0:23:28.799
night time and throw a different set of
0:23:26.760,0:23:30.900
sounds at them it could pretty really up
0:23:28.799,0:23:32.820
my odds getting those coyotes killed
0:23:30.900,0:23:35.400
yes sir
0:23:32.820,0:23:38.640
and a lot of people keep forgetting
0:23:35.400,0:23:41.880
about Fox Fusion because like I'll take
0:23:38.640,0:23:44.940
a rabbit sound and fuse in Crows or or
0:23:41.880,0:23:46.020
even a rodent distress yep and with a
0:23:44.940,0:23:48.179
pup sound
0:23:46.020,0:23:49.740
and I'll tell you what that triggers
0:23:48.179,0:23:52.380
coyotes
0:23:49.740,0:23:55.020
huge huge when that because it brings
0:23:52.380,0:23:56.640
realism into everything right and you're
0:23:55.020,0:23:59.400
running what the x2s when you're doing
0:23:56.640,0:24:02.640
that or yes sir I've run that no I've
0:23:59.400,0:24:04.919
run two calls the x24 and the x2s yeah
0:24:02.640,0:24:08.460
I'll catch you yeah yeah oh yeah well
0:24:04.919,0:24:10.320
Fox views is a great man that's a great
0:24:08.460,0:24:12.059
feature just for doing for stuff just
0:24:10.320,0:24:14.700
like what you just mentioned
0:24:12.059,0:24:16.919
yes sir and uh
0:24:14.700,0:24:19.559
we'll be talking about a line hunting
0:24:16.919,0:24:20.760
but that that fox Fusion is is huge when
0:24:19.559,0:24:22.380
you call lines
0:24:20.760,0:24:24.419
I'll tell you what you just talked me
0:24:22.380,0:24:26.159
right into it I know where I know we
0:24:24.419,0:24:27.600
talk a lot about coyote hunting we've
0:24:26.159,0:24:30.120
already spent a few you know about 20
0:24:27.600,0:24:31.080
minutes on coyote hunting and uh I
0:24:30.120,0:24:33.240
mentioned earlier was going to be
0:24:31.080,0:24:35.220
talking about mountain lion calling I
0:24:33.240,0:24:36.539
think this is a perfect segue to go
0:24:35.220,0:24:39.659
right into it because I'm kind of
0:24:36.539,0:24:42.059
chomping at the bit uh you know I've
0:24:39.659,0:24:45.240
tried in many states I've tried in New
0:24:42.059,0:24:47.159
Mexico I've tried in Oregon uh for for
0:24:45.240,0:24:48.419
mountain lions and I've had my butt
0:24:47.159,0:24:50.580
whooped you know I'm trying to call them
0:24:48.419,0:24:53.220
you know I have hunted with dogs but I
0:24:50.580,0:24:55.559
would that's probably my dream hunt
0:24:53.220,0:24:58.679
um yes sir is is a called in Mountain
0:24:55.559,0:25:00.600
line so I I've said this before in
0:24:58.679,0:25:02.580
previous podcasts I've got my pen and
0:25:00.600,0:25:05.400
paper out got my notebook right here I'm
0:25:02.580,0:25:07.679
ready to learn so you've got experience
0:25:05.400,0:25:09.059
calling them mountain lions oh yeah and
0:25:07.679,0:25:11.640
you've
0:25:09.059,0:25:13.200
far as anybody I know personally I'm
0:25:11.640,0:25:14.760
pretty sure you've caught in more
0:25:13.200,0:25:16.679
mountain lions and kill more mountain
0:25:14.760,0:25:19.919
lions than anybody I know as far as
0:25:16.679,0:25:21.840
caught in mountain lions yeah how many
0:25:19.919,0:25:25.140
I've killed quite how many lines have
0:25:21.840,0:25:27.740
you called in Stacy over the years
0:25:25.140,0:25:31.039
over the years
0:25:27.740,0:25:36.539
it's that many you can't count them all
0:25:31.039,0:25:38.220
I just guessed 30 40. I mean I mean
0:25:36.539,0:25:40.440
would your dad are in Mountain Lion
0:25:38.220,0:25:43.260
Country I mean you know exactly and
0:25:40.440,0:25:45.480
there and that's that's a you know I
0:25:43.260,0:25:48.779
would say it's a gift because
0:25:45.480,0:25:51.240
there's more Lions per square mile in
0:25:48.779,0:25:53.820
this in this lower part of the United
0:25:51.240,0:25:57.480
States then there is a peace or up north
0:25:53.820,0:25:58.980
right yeah and uh just the opportunities
0:25:57.480,0:26:00.779
there yep
0:25:58.980,0:26:02.880
yep so
0:26:00.779,0:26:04.919
yeah they've got to be where a mountain
0:26:02.880,0:26:07.500
lion is if we can call it in right
0:26:04.919,0:26:09.600
yes sir that's exactly right and you
0:26:07.500,0:26:12.179
know that's one of my when we have a
0:26:09.600,0:26:14.400
problem lying it and they call me
0:26:12.179,0:26:17.400
I break out the spot and scope and go to
0:26:14.400,0:26:20.340
work just like you hunt deer yeah yep
0:26:17.400,0:26:21.960
and uh you know early morning they they
0:26:20.340,0:26:25.620
like to get out on the rocks and lay
0:26:21.960,0:26:29.100
down and getting that sun and
0:26:25.620,0:26:30.900
and that's that's a huge that's a huge
0:26:29.100,0:26:33.179
Advantage for me and then I just working
0:26:30.900,0:26:35.340
close and go to work you're saying
0:26:33.179,0:26:37.140
you've actually you'll get if there's a
0:26:35.340,0:26:38.760
line working our area that you know like
0:26:37.140,0:26:39.679
a Rancher or whoever's having some
0:26:38.760,0:26:43.679
trouble
0:26:39.679,0:26:46.320
Nation from a line you'll start working
0:26:43.679,0:26:47.640
that area first off by glassing and
0:26:46.320,0:26:49.100
actually looking for they're trying to
0:26:47.640,0:26:51.960
spot a line
0:26:49.100,0:26:54.360
exactly right and you know a lot of
0:26:51.960,0:26:57.539
times I I wind up you know locating
0:26:54.360,0:27:00.840
three or four there's you know really oh
0:26:57.539,0:27:03.299
yes sir but you know you try to
0:27:00.840,0:27:05.159
you try to locate the one that's the
0:27:03.299,0:27:07.679
hard part about pressure control is
0:27:05.159,0:27:09.480
you're looking for one because they've
0:27:07.679,0:27:12.360
seen it it's been in the yard or
0:27:09.480,0:27:15.179
whatever and you're looking for that one
0:27:12.360,0:27:17.820
to start there and then you know
0:27:15.179,0:27:18.600
you know you work out from there but you
0:27:17.820,0:27:21.419
know and
0:27:18.600,0:27:23.640
in New Mexico with those tags you can
0:27:21.419,0:27:25.860
you can kill two a year so
0:27:23.640,0:27:29.760
you know I locate to and go to work
0:27:25.860,0:27:32.820
right right do you so do you always want
0:27:29.760,0:27:34.500
to locate lines before you go call or do
0:27:32.820,0:27:38.460
you go to any blind calling just start
0:27:34.500,0:27:40.559
making stands no I I do a lot of blind
0:27:38.460,0:27:44.520
blind calling yeah a lot of blind
0:27:40.559,0:27:45.539
calling and that's just if I cut a track
0:27:44.520,0:27:49.380
or
0:27:45.539,0:27:52.860
you know I just sit down uh last year I
0:27:49.380,0:27:56.760
had it was a pretty hairy situation but
0:27:52.860,0:27:59.159
exciting exciting I sat down to do a
0:27:56.760,0:28:01.200
coyote stand and my dog was
0:27:59.159,0:28:02.460
probably two to three hundred yards in
0:28:01.200,0:28:04.320
front of me working back and forth
0:28:02.460,0:28:07.320
because I spotted
0:28:04.320,0:28:09.720
uh three coyotes glassing down the road
0:28:07.320,0:28:12.120
way over on a hillside so I moved in and
0:28:09.720,0:28:14.760
hiked in and was working the coyotes and
0:28:12.120,0:28:17.460
you know you get that funny feeling that
0:28:14.760,0:28:20.940
you should turn around and I was I was
0:28:17.460,0:28:24.480
just playing the um Miss MC Cottontail
0:28:20.940,0:28:26.700
and I had that feeling and I just you
0:28:24.480,0:28:29.400
know the hair stood up and you just
0:28:26.700,0:28:31.200
turn around and glanced and it was just
0:28:29.400,0:28:33.059
like it went from blurry to Crystal
0:28:31.200,0:28:36.659
Clear you went eye to eye with the
0:28:33.059,0:28:38.340
mountain lion oh my goodness and setting
0:28:36.659,0:28:42.240
sitting behind me
0:28:38.340,0:28:43.140
200 yards 300 yards I had no idea he was
0:28:42.240,0:28:44.700
there
0:28:43.140,0:28:47.400
and uh
0:28:44.700,0:28:50.460
Young Young Lion wasn't very old you
0:28:47.400,0:28:53.279
know three years old and uh
0:28:50.460,0:28:55.620
you know the Facebook world got to see
0:28:53.279,0:28:57.480
that one last year yeah I remember it I
0:28:55.620,0:28:59.279
remember the story and I started
0:28:57.480,0:29:00.020
reliving it as you started talking about
0:28:59.279,0:29:02.760
it
0:29:00.020,0:29:05.100
I got I got goosebumps thinking about it
0:29:02.760,0:29:08.220
it's like oh my God that moment when we
0:29:05.100,0:29:10.799
go to eye to eye it's like oh my
0:29:08.220,0:29:12.840
goodness man yeah I can't I mean you
0:29:10.799,0:29:15.059
know just imagine people
0:29:12.840,0:29:17.520
this exercise with a mountain lion that
0:29:15.059,0:29:18.840
you've called into your Fox Pro you you
0:29:17.520,0:29:20.760
were talking you were talking about
0:29:18.840,0:29:23.820
sounds like me it came to Mrs MC
0:29:20.760,0:29:26.279
Cottontail uh this box bro what what
0:29:23.820,0:29:28.200
sounds do you like to run when calling
0:29:26.279,0:29:30.120
for lines when you're targeting lines I
0:29:28.200,0:29:31.320
mean what type of sounds that you do you
0:29:30.120,0:29:33.539
throw in the mix
0:29:31.320,0:29:36.299
uh when I Target lines it's it's
0:29:33.539,0:29:39.539
completely opposite then blind calling
0:29:36.299,0:29:42.899
and when I Target Lions I I like to
0:29:39.539,0:29:46.559
start off when I get there I always sit
0:29:42.899,0:29:48.899
go Crystal quiet I'll set on that stand
0:29:46.559,0:29:52.020
for 10 minutes before I ever touch the
0:29:48.899,0:29:55.200
remote okay I let everything just go
0:29:52.020,0:29:57.720
quiet and just sit and uh
0:29:55.200,0:29:59.100
and then I like to start off with the
0:29:57.720,0:30:01.919
the whistle
0:29:59.100,0:30:04.440
and uh
0:30:01.919,0:30:07.260
the line whistle and that and that tells
0:30:04.440,0:30:09.659
a mountain lion that hey I'm here
0:30:07.260,0:30:10.799
I'm in the area there's somebody in your
0:30:09.659,0:30:15.299
area
0:30:10.799,0:30:17.640
and just to raise the Curiosity and then
0:30:15.299,0:30:20.220
a mountain lion first when you target
0:30:17.640,0:30:22.080
mountain lions generally speaking you're
0:30:20.220,0:30:26.279
looking at an hour plus
0:30:22.080,0:30:28.140
okay so it's a slow it's a it's either
0:30:26.279,0:30:30.600
going to happen two ways they're gonna
0:30:28.140,0:30:34.620
either explode in as soon as they hear
0:30:30.600,0:30:37.679
the whistle and you'll they when I say
0:30:34.620,0:30:40.559
they explode in I got an x2s I need I
0:30:37.679,0:30:45.200
need to send back to Foxpro because
0:30:40.559,0:30:49.200
he he mangled it really or or they come
0:30:45.200,0:30:52.020
they come in extremely slow yeah and
0:30:49.200,0:30:54.779
ninety percent of time it's the slow you
0:30:52.020,0:30:57.179
know you get the heart pump Thrill of
0:30:54.779,0:30:58.740
the one that runs at it but generally
0:30:57.179,0:31:00.480
speaking they come in slow they're
0:30:58.740,0:31:03.260
they're more Curious they don't they
0:31:00.480,0:31:05.940
just don't blast to it
0:31:03.260,0:31:08.700
you've had lines as soon as you start to
0:31:05.940,0:31:10.200
whistle just minutes into it explode
0:31:08.700,0:31:11.899
right in come running right to the call
0:31:10.200,0:31:15.299
and pretty much pounce it sounds like
0:31:11.899,0:31:17.520
well I spotted the outline on the
0:31:15.299,0:31:20.700
opposite Hillside I started to call they
0:31:17.520,0:31:22.620
didn't know there was one below me ah
0:31:20.700,0:31:26.460
and uh
0:31:22.620,0:31:29.100
just oh it was it was it happened in
0:31:26.460,0:31:32.460
less than three minutes and it was over
0:31:29.100,0:31:35.659
in 10 seconds it was it was incredible
0:31:32.460,0:31:38.700
and just exploded the call he jumped out
0:31:35.659,0:31:41.279
turned sideways after he hit the call
0:31:38.700,0:31:44.159
and was like what was that
0:31:41.279,0:31:47.520
and uh
0:31:44.159,0:31:49.080
I put a 22 Creedmoor
0:31:47.520,0:31:51.059
right behind the shoulder and that was
0:31:49.080,0:31:54.779
all that said so
0:31:51.059,0:31:56.279
but yeah I like to start with that uh
0:31:54.779,0:31:58.440
whistle
0:31:56.279,0:32:00.360
the whistle is just telling them I'm in
0:31:58.440,0:32:03.240
the country and then a little bit later
0:32:00.360,0:32:05.640
I'll do it again or
0:32:03.240,0:32:07.740
depending on what year or what time of
0:32:05.640,0:32:10.500
year it is if it's if it's early in the
0:32:07.740,0:32:13.559
year like this they still have uh Cubs
0:32:10.500,0:32:16.559
uh kind of floating behind them
0:32:13.559,0:32:19.440
so feeding them's pretty key so this
0:32:16.559,0:32:23.520
time of year I'll do uh Fonda stress
0:32:19.440,0:32:25.440
yeah and then uh just go quiet for again
0:32:23.520,0:32:27.360
for a long time again they're not real
0:32:25.440,0:32:29.580
fast and then
0:32:27.360,0:32:32.159
more fun distress
0:32:29.580,0:32:37.440
and then uh
0:32:32.159,0:32:42.500
what I'd like to do after that is uh
0:32:37.440,0:32:44.580
uh this is this will make a lion mad
0:32:42.500,0:32:48.899
hands down
0:32:44.580,0:32:54.480
play Angry Bobcat angry Bobcat yep
0:32:48.899,0:32:57.559
foxgros angry bobcat and holy smokes I
0:32:54.480,0:33:00.480
uh year before last I had two lions
0:32:57.559,0:33:02.640
absolutely they they just chalked up
0:33:00.480,0:33:06.240
they wouldn't they wouldn't uh come in
0:33:02.640,0:33:08.100
any farther and I was just trying to see
0:33:06.240,0:33:10.320
how I could
0:33:08.100,0:33:12.299
you know get him to move again I played
0:33:10.320,0:33:14.100
angry bobcat and I had him all the way
0:33:12.299,0:33:16.679
to the collar Within
0:33:14.100,0:33:19.620
a minute and they were hundreds of yards
0:33:16.679,0:33:21.240
away oh yeah so like I'm sprinting
0:33:19.620,0:33:25.019
yes sir
0:33:21.240,0:33:29.100
yes sir angry Bobcat was was huge for me
0:33:25.019,0:33:33.059
and uh and then the another sound that
0:33:29.100,0:33:35.039
really uh it's weird why it works but
0:33:33.059,0:33:38.940
you figure bobcat sounds weren't work
0:33:35.039,0:33:41.220
for Lions but with my x2s I uh I like to
0:33:38.940,0:33:45.000
play the uh
0:33:41.220,0:33:47.820
baby bobcat baby box bro yeah and then
0:33:45.000,0:33:50.700
I'll fuse it in again
0:33:47.820,0:33:52.799
and play it back to back and I'll tell
0:33:50.700,0:33:56.399
you what you if it's a if it's a female
0:33:52.799,0:33:58.860
lion she'll come run into the call So
0:33:56.399,0:34:03.120
when you say so you're saying you'll
0:33:58.860,0:34:07.019
Play You'll hit Fox fusion and hit baby
0:34:03.120,0:34:09.480
bobcats and then you'll double it up
0:34:07.019,0:34:11.700
you're playing baby bobcats
0:34:09.480,0:34:14.639
simultaneously on two different channels
0:34:11.700,0:34:15.659
yes sir I'll play it single first to see
0:34:14.639,0:34:17.879
if she
0:34:15.659,0:34:19.800
uh because a lot of times I see them you
0:34:17.879,0:34:22.859
know when I Target online I can see them
0:34:19.800,0:34:24.780
but uh a lot of times if they chalk up
0:34:22.859,0:34:27.899
and just don't want to come up I'll
0:34:24.780,0:34:30.540
either hit angry Bobcat or uh baby
0:34:27.899,0:34:32.460
bobcat and if I can't get her done
0:34:30.540,0:34:35.280
hinged
0:34:32.460,0:34:36.780
um I hit fusion and and put it in again
0:34:35.280,0:34:39.480
and
0:34:36.780,0:34:42.000
it works doubling up on a sound it's
0:34:39.480,0:34:44.520
that it is wild I never would have
0:34:42.000,0:34:47.639
dreamed playing bobcat vocalization
0:34:44.520,0:34:50.940
sounds for mountain lions that's yeah
0:34:47.639,0:34:54.240
crazy crazy so it is it is it just it's
0:34:50.940,0:34:56.700
really crazy but it works so you like uh
0:34:54.240,0:35:00.359
the mountain lion whistle sounds you
0:34:56.700,0:35:03.300
like uh various Fallen distresses and
0:35:00.359,0:35:05.339
yes sir and Bobcat vocalizations is uh
0:35:03.300,0:35:06.660
what any rabbit distresses I know you
0:35:05.339,0:35:08.400
mentioned earlier you called on in to
0:35:06.660,0:35:10.800
Mrs Cottontail do you ever run any
0:35:08.400,0:35:12.420
rabbit on your on your stands
0:35:10.800,0:35:15.480
absolutely
0:35:12.420,0:35:17.280
um yeah three years ago I killed one
0:35:15.480,0:35:21.420
with the uh
0:35:17.280,0:35:25.200
uh mfk's uh stew rabbit rabbit stew yep
0:35:21.420,0:35:26.880
and uh that that mountain lion it was a
0:35:25.200,0:35:30.060
younger mountain lion but it ran all the
0:35:26.880,0:35:33.660
way to the gulf really really I can't I
0:35:30.060,0:35:36.900
I dispatched it within 50 yards of me it
0:35:33.660,0:35:39.300
had no idea it was there it was solely
0:35:36.900,0:35:42.240
solely focused on that collar it had no
0:35:39.300,0:35:44.339
ideas in the country right right that's
0:35:42.240,0:35:47.339
and uh
0:35:44.339,0:35:49.440
it's uh it just you know when you when
0:35:47.339,0:35:51.000
you get within a certain proximity of
0:35:49.440,0:35:53.400
them
0:35:51.000,0:35:55.680
you they're they're Hunters they're
0:35:53.400,0:36:00.540
gonna defend what's close to them right
0:35:55.680,0:36:04.460
right well and then uh I've called one
0:36:00.540,0:36:04.460
other on You're gonna laugh
0:36:04.579,0:36:09.780
hey it doesn't surprise me I've called
0:36:07.140,0:36:12.000
red foxes to Coyote pup distresses
0:36:09.780,0:36:13.619
before like pup three big red fox like
0:36:12.000,0:36:16.079
what are you thinking
0:36:13.619,0:36:18.300
you know no I believe it I definitely
0:36:16.079,0:36:19.859
believe it it don't shock me a bit I've
0:36:18.300,0:36:22.619
actually
0:36:19.859,0:36:24.359
you know I think I've actually heard
0:36:22.619,0:36:26.099
stories before about people coyote
0:36:24.359,0:36:27.180
calling and running puppy sounds and
0:36:26.099,0:36:30.660
stuff and I've heard about mountain
0:36:27.180,0:36:32.339
lions coming in and uh I guess the one
0:36:30.660,0:36:33.720
that surprises me more just because I
0:36:32.339,0:36:35.460
never would have thought it is the
0:36:33.720,0:36:37.619
Bobcat vocalizations because you really
0:36:35.460,0:36:39.920
don't hear about anybody running Bobcat
0:36:37.619,0:36:43.380
vocalizations much anyway for anything
0:36:39.920,0:36:45.300
and it's just uh that that really piques
0:36:43.380,0:36:47.700
my interest right there is the bobcat
0:36:45.300,0:36:49.260
visualizations and uh you know you
0:36:47.700,0:36:51.780
talked about we've talked about the
0:36:49.260,0:36:54.480
sounds that you like to run there
0:36:51.780,0:36:56.940
um what what does a calling sequence
0:36:54.480,0:36:58.260
look like for you when you are calling
0:36:56.940,0:37:01.920
for mountain lions whether you've got
0:36:58.260,0:37:04.020
one spotted and you're moving in or just
0:37:01.920,0:37:06.119
say that you know there's a cat a line
0:37:04.020,0:37:08.880
in the area and you're just going in and
0:37:06.119,0:37:10.680
making you know making blind stands just
0:37:08.880,0:37:12.420
trying to lure that out what does your
0:37:10.680,0:37:14.460
sequence look like from start to finish
0:37:12.420,0:37:16.560
you know uh I know you said you'd like
0:37:14.460,0:37:19.320
to make pretty much an hour long stand
0:37:16.560,0:37:21.240
but tell us about the first first hand
0:37:19.320,0:37:23.040
you're playing how long are you going to
0:37:21.240,0:37:24.180
play it all that type of stuff and all
0:37:23.040,0:37:27.180
the way through
0:37:24.180,0:37:29.160
so the the first stand typical typical
0:37:27.180,0:37:32.160
lion stand first time I'm always going
0:37:29.160,0:37:33.599
to play is the whistle I just again let
0:37:32.160,0:37:37.079
them know I'm there
0:37:33.599,0:37:40.380
and I'm not I'm not confrontational I'm
0:37:37.079,0:37:43.140
not aggressive I'm just there and so
0:37:40.380,0:37:45.780
that helps a lot and so that sequence
0:37:43.140,0:37:47.940
there I'm gonna play it
0:37:45.780,0:37:51.540
with lands you you gotta volume up a
0:37:47.940,0:37:53.280
little bit so I don't I've tried you
0:37:51.540,0:37:55.380
know playing quieter like your your
0:37:53.280,0:37:57.900
typical coyote sequence you know not too
0:37:55.380,0:38:01.440
aggressive but with lions it seems like
0:37:57.900,0:38:05.760
with the x24 and the x2s I'm always in
0:38:01.440,0:38:07.380
that 25 27 to 30 range okay so three and
0:38:05.760,0:38:11.579
uh two thirds you know two-thirds volume
0:38:07.380,0:38:14.700
or three quarter volume yeah yes sir and
0:38:11.579,0:38:18.900
a little less on the x24 because quite a
0:38:14.700,0:38:21.780
bit yes sir so but then I'll run about
0:38:18.900,0:38:23.640
three to four minutes and then I like to
0:38:21.780,0:38:25.859
set for almost 10 minutes
0:38:23.640,0:38:29.099
and then I'll do that whistle again for
0:38:25.859,0:38:30.420
that same four minutes yep so just and
0:38:29.099,0:38:31.920
then so when you're saying you're hit
0:38:30.420,0:38:33.300
like so for that first three or four
0:38:31.920,0:38:35.700
minutes you're playing that whistle
0:38:33.300,0:38:37.440
constant and then you'll just pause it
0:38:35.700,0:38:41.339
and wait for ten and then run another
0:38:37.440,0:38:43.859
series of uh Mountain line whistles yes
0:38:41.339,0:38:46.560
sir and that just that first whistle
0:38:43.859,0:38:50.460
sequence is is
0:38:46.560,0:38:51.839
High 20 30 minute Mark okay and then I
0:38:50.460,0:38:54.900
start moving just a little more
0:38:51.839,0:38:59.880
aggressive so then uh
0:38:54.900,0:39:02.339
I'll put in a fond of stress and uh
0:38:59.880,0:39:05.040
I'll go again I don't know why I use
0:39:02.339,0:39:06.960
four minutes but I just that's just my
0:39:05.040,0:39:08.880
thing I like to go that four minute Mark
0:39:06.960,0:39:11.400
fond of stress and then I'll shut it off
0:39:08.880,0:39:14.400
but I only wait like four to five
0:39:11.400,0:39:16.800
minutes you know I shorten it up quite a
0:39:14.400,0:39:19.320
bit then and then I'll hit it again
0:39:16.800,0:39:21.180
because now I want it I want them to
0:39:19.320,0:39:27.300
know that now I'm going to steal their
0:39:21.180,0:39:28.800
food right and so at that at that point
0:39:27.300,0:39:30.540
um
0:39:28.800,0:39:33.660
if they're not there
0:39:30.540,0:39:36.180
I love my sequence then after that four
0:39:33.660,0:39:38.820
or five minute break after I play the
0:39:36.180,0:39:41.760
two sequences of that Fawn distress
0:39:38.820,0:39:44.099
and wait that four minutes I'll play uh
0:39:41.760,0:39:45.500
Angry bobcat
0:39:44.099,0:39:48.660
and
0:39:45.500,0:39:51.180
that's usually the closer for me I don't
0:39:48.660,0:39:53.339
know why it just it's always been a a
0:39:51.180,0:39:57.660
huge a great hit for me
0:39:53.339,0:40:00.240
and then recently I found that that uh
0:39:57.660,0:40:02.160
uh actually it was a buddy of mine it
0:40:00.240,0:40:05.460
you know I didn't find out a buddy said
0:40:02.160,0:40:08.099
hey play this try it and I did and it
0:40:05.460,0:40:11.820
worked phenomenal the the band uh baby
0:40:08.099,0:40:14.460
Bobcats or the baby baby bobcats so I
0:40:11.820,0:40:17.400
hit that on the last line I hit the
0:40:14.460,0:40:20.640
angry Bobcats it it didn't work and then
0:40:17.400,0:40:23.400
I played that for two sequences you know
0:40:20.640,0:40:25.980
you know angry Bobcats for four minutes
0:40:23.400,0:40:28.260
I paused like two to three in that I
0:40:25.980,0:40:29.640
shortened it way up hit angry Bobcats
0:40:28.260,0:40:33.420
for two to three
0:40:29.640,0:40:37.859
and then I just let the uh baby Bobcats
0:40:33.420,0:40:40.560
play play out from there and then it
0:40:37.859,0:40:43.260
didn't unchalk them so on the last line
0:40:40.560,0:40:46.079
so I fused it in again to make to make
0:40:43.260,0:40:48.599
her or make that line I could see it it
0:40:46.079,0:40:52.440
was a female so I fused in another one
0:40:48.599,0:40:54.560
that baby bobcat and that was all she
0:40:52.440,0:40:59.460
wrote she came running
0:40:54.560,0:41:02.579
and uh it's amazing right so so your
0:40:59.460,0:41:05.280
typical lion stand is always it's always
0:41:02.579,0:41:06.060
long you you just plan to be there for
0:41:05.280,0:41:09.540
an hour
0:41:06.060,0:41:11.400
sometimes it you know like I said you it
0:41:09.540,0:41:13.740
just
0:41:11.400,0:41:16.079
it's weird I didn't know one was there
0:41:13.740,0:41:19.079
sometimes it happens right within
0:41:16.079,0:41:21.060
seconds but so pretty much why the
0:41:19.079,0:41:23.160
sequence looks it's an hour-long stand
0:41:21.060,0:41:24.960
you start out with your mountain lion
0:41:23.160,0:41:27.300
with whistles and breaks all the way up
0:41:24.960,0:41:29.339
to you like you know you're spending 30
0:41:27.300,0:41:31.560
minutes 20 30 minutes on that yeah and
0:41:29.339,0:41:33.359
then you're going to your fond of stress
0:41:31.560,0:41:36.240
and having a couple breaks in there and
0:41:33.359,0:41:40.280
then finishing out with Bobcat vocals
0:41:36.240,0:41:42.720
yes sir man I can't you know I might
0:41:40.280,0:41:44.520
it's possible that I'll be in line
0:41:42.720,0:41:47.040
country in September
0:41:44.520,0:41:49.020
and if we go do it I'm I'm definitely
0:41:47.040,0:41:50.940
going to have a line tag in my pocket
0:41:49.020,0:41:52.560
and I'm stealing I'm just going to tell
0:41:50.940,0:41:55.040
you right now Stacy I'm still in your
0:41:52.560,0:41:57.540
sequence I'm playing
0:41:55.040,0:42:00.060
it's funny because I I stole one of
0:41:57.540,0:42:03.599
yours right more than welcome to it
0:42:00.060,0:42:05.460
buddy last year you did that breeding
0:42:03.599,0:42:07.140
sequence and I played a lot of them and
0:42:05.460,0:42:10.020
I was like you know I'm gonna I'm gonna
0:42:07.140,0:42:12.000
put that in my collar and try it and it
0:42:10.020,0:42:14.160
was money awesome money money that's
0:42:12.000,0:42:16.260
good I'm glad that I was able to help
0:42:14.160,0:42:19.380
you kill a extra coyote or two at the
0:42:16.260,0:42:24.200
end of the year that was six coyotes and
0:42:19.380,0:42:24.200
I killed four of the six nice nice
0:42:24.240,0:42:29.040
but uh yeah that's that's that's my
0:42:26.820,0:42:31.260
lying sequence and uh
0:42:29.040,0:42:32.760
like I said it's it's been successful
0:42:31.260,0:42:34.920
for me and
0:42:32.760,0:42:37.619
I just uh
0:42:34.920,0:42:40.980
I love to use it I love to use it let me
0:42:37.619,0:42:43.020
ask you this if if you're you got a line
0:42:40.980,0:42:44.280
targeted and you moved in you started
0:42:43.020,0:42:46.380
calling
0:42:44.280,0:42:48.240
what happens if a coyote runs up because
0:42:46.380,0:42:50.099
you know they'll come to they'll come to
0:42:48.240,0:42:52.500
fondestry it's quite a bit well if a
0:42:50.099,0:42:53.880
coyote runs up you it gets a pass so you
0:42:52.500,0:42:57.000
mowing it down
0:42:53.880,0:43:00.240
well it depends that strictly depends on
0:42:57.000,0:43:03.180
why I'm there if if I had a call from a
0:43:00.240,0:43:06.180
Rancher saying hey I'm there for a lion
0:43:03.180,0:43:08.520
then the coyote gets a pass okay we're
0:43:06.180,0:43:13.260
gonna we'll have a date another day yeah
0:43:08.520,0:43:15.720
and then uh but uh if I'm out just
0:43:13.260,0:43:17.880
prayer control while I'm there
0:43:15.720,0:43:19.680
yeah the Kyle's not leaving what about
0:43:17.880,0:43:22.079
pleasure hunting you just went out to
0:43:19.680,0:43:24.540
the high desert or wherever and down in
0:43:22.079,0:43:27.300
that country and and uh you're just
0:43:24.540,0:43:29.880
calling for fun but you've spotted a
0:43:27.300,0:43:32.160
mountain lion and uh you get to call and
0:43:29.880,0:43:33.960
trying to lure it in and uh you know say
0:43:32.160,0:43:37.380
a pair of coyotes around here
0:43:33.960,0:43:40.440
well I uh I'll let them have a pass I
0:43:37.380,0:43:42.060
that lion for me you know that right now
0:43:40.440,0:43:44.579
right
0:43:42.060,0:43:47.880
so many so many people don't know that
0:43:44.579,0:43:51.780
uh online targets uh buck deer yeah oh
0:43:47.880,0:43:54.119
yeah um because a buck deer it's mean to
0:43:51.780,0:43:55.740
say this but it's true a buck deer turns
0:43:54.119,0:43:57.540
to fight they're not smart enough just
0:43:55.740,0:43:59.280
to flee and keep going I want to use
0:43:57.540,0:44:01.380
them
0:43:59.280,0:44:03.540
yes sir a mountain lion I'll Target back
0:44:01.380,0:44:04.800
there every time because they know they
0:44:03.540,0:44:08.300
have a chance because they'll turn to
0:44:04.800,0:44:11.579
sight especially bigger mature uh bucks
0:44:08.300,0:44:14.339
and so when I'm out tell your hunting I
0:44:11.579,0:44:15.660
typically uh I always have tags in my
0:44:14.339,0:44:18.180
pocket and that's what people don't
0:44:15.660,0:44:20.099
understand they're cheap they're 35 you
0:44:18.180,0:44:23.480
know in Arizona they're 35 dollars for
0:44:20.099,0:44:27.359
two yeah yeah yep yep no
0:44:23.480,0:44:29.099
Arizona yeah they're 35 for one and then
0:44:27.359,0:44:31.500
you know you can go to game and fish and
0:44:29.099,0:44:33.839
depending on their needs it could
0:44:31.500,0:44:36.060
probably issue another one man I give 35
0:44:33.839,0:44:38.880
bucks for a chance at a mountain lion I
0:44:36.060,0:44:40.560
mean there's got to be no worse feeling
0:44:38.880,0:44:43.319
in the world of you being a mountain
0:44:40.560,0:44:46.200
lion country and it's in season
0:44:43.319,0:44:48.240
and you call a line up right over top of
0:44:46.200,0:44:49.319
you Foxpro and you don't have a tag in
0:44:48.240,0:44:52.500
your pocket
0:44:49.319,0:44:54.240
yes sir man I oh my goodness I would
0:44:52.500,0:44:56.780
burst into tears
0:44:54.240,0:44:59.339
it's it's
0:44:56.780,0:45:03.720
disheartening I tell you I stopped doing
0:44:59.339,0:45:08.280
that years ago and and every July I I
0:45:03.720,0:45:10.020
redo my tags yes all of them yes yes no
0:45:08.280,0:45:12.420
doubt now like I said we're going to be
0:45:10.020,0:45:14.780
we haven't finalized it yet but it's
0:45:12.420,0:45:17.760
possible we'll be in uh in the Northwest
0:45:14.780,0:45:20.640
uh doing some predator hunting in
0:45:17.760,0:45:23.640
September great Black Bear Country a lot
0:45:20.640,0:45:25.560
of coyotes and there is lines around uh
0:45:23.640,0:45:28.079
oh yeah actually the only line I've ever
0:45:25.560,0:45:31.619
seen in the wild was up in this area and
0:45:28.079,0:45:33.240
uh I did have a tag and I did have an
0:45:31.619,0:45:36.540
opportunity and we'll pretty much just
0:45:33.240,0:45:40.200
leave it as Ted I did not uh I did not
0:45:36.540,0:45:42.900
capitalize I should have and I you know
0:45:40.200,0:45:45.240
it has haunted me it is haunted me for
0:45:42.900,0:45:47.339
years and it's just one of those deals
0:45:45.240,0:45:50.040
hopefully one of these days I will feel
0:45:47.339,0:45:51.780
a mountain lion tag that's come right to
0:45:50.040,0:45:54.300
the fox bro
0:45:51.780,0:45:55.680
well yeah a lot of you know I wish a lot
0:45:54.300,0:45:58.319
of people would feel that way because
0:45:55.680,0:46:00.900
you know a lion they kill
0:45:58.319,0:46:02.700
a lot of deer a year and you know I'm
0:46:00.900,0:46:04.200
not saying coyotes aren't important but
0:46:02.700,0:46:05.700
if you have an opportunity and a
0:46:04.200,0:46:08.220
mountain lion especially if they're
0:46:05.700,0:46:11.160
they're pretty dense in an area yep
0:46:08.220,0:46:13.500
carry that tag and and I'm going to tell
0:46:11.160,0:46:17.819
you what it's one of the most rewarding
0:46:13.500,0:46:19.319
experiences you can you can have and
0:46:17.819,0:46:24.180
it's it's
0:46:19.319,0:46:26.640
and the height is incredible some people
0:46:24.180,0:46:28.740
say they like to eat them but I don't
0:46:26.640,0:46:31.560
know about that but oh yeah I've had
0:46:28.740,0:46:33.420
I've made several Bobcats so if I kill a
0:46:31.560,0:46:34.920
mountain lion he's gonna we're gonna
0:46:33.420,0:46:36.660
have a meal or two that's for sure
0:46:34.920,0:46:38.280
that's for sure now they're they're such
0:46:36.660,0:46:40.200
an impressive animal they just really
0:46:38.280,0:46:44.099
are they're very cool
0:46:40.200,0:46:46.680
and in our country it's their King and
0:46:44.099,0:46:48.720
it's it's incredible to watch I just
0:46:46.680,0:46:50.220
love it because you know that 10 minutes
0:46:48.720,0:46:51.660
before I start that stand I let
0:46:50.220,0:46:54.420
everything get quiet
0:46:51.660,0:46:56.339
you can learn so much by just watching
0:46:54.420,0:46:58.740
them and
0:46:56.339,0:47:01.680
you know if there's two how they
0:46:58.740,0:47:03.839
interact and it's incredible it's the
0:47:01.680,0:47:06.180
most rewarding thing I think I've I've
0:47:03.839,0:47:08.220
had in quite a while
0:47:06.180,0:47:11.099
well let me ask you this what if what
0:47:08.220,0:47:12.000
about if you if you spot a line he's
0:47:11.099,0:47:13.680
coming
0:47:12.000,0:47:15.599
what do you do with your call you if
0:47:13.680,0:47:17.339
you're playing a uh to say if you're
0:47:15.599,0:47:19.500
playing any kind of sound you keep it
0:47:17.339,0:47:24.180
running you pause it I mean what are you
0:47:19.500,0:47:28.440
doing I do and but it it that question
0:47:24.180,0:47:30.420
depends on yardage because uh if he
0:47:28.440,0:47:34.200
hasn't seen the call
0:47:30.420,0:47:37.140
uh I let it go and when I when he gets
0:47:34.200,0:47:38.880
within yards that I think I I can make a
0:47:37.140,0:47:41.400
safe ethical shot
0:47:38.880,0:47:43.920
I shut it off because then he's going to
0:47:41.400,0:47:45.960
come up and check just check up and
0:47:43.920,0:47:48.900
he'll you'll seem just
0:47:45.960,0:47:51.420
stop and look just to make sure he's I
0:47:48.900,0:47:53.400
Kyle can pretty much pinpoint a call
0:47:51.420,0:47:55.680
miles away right
0:47:53.400,0:47:58.079
but a mountain lion doesn't seem to do
0:47:55.680,0:48:01.079
that they know the area and they get
0:47:58.079,0:48:03.900
within a really close proximity but
0:48:01.079,0:48:06.180
they'll check up and look for it and
0:48:03.900,0:48:08.579
that's where you get your your good
0:48:06.180,0:48:10.200
shots right so you're gonna if you spot
0:48:08.579,0:48:12.060
a mountain lion coming you're gonna keep
0:48:10.200,0:48:15.060
your car rolling until he gets up here
0:48:12.060,0:48:17.160
we're ready to shoot what about if you
0:48:15.060,0:48:20.280
if you spot a line kind of making his
0:48:17.160,0:48:22.200
way to you when your call is paused will
0:48:20.280,0:48:24.480
you start some sound up to direct him on
0:48:22.200,0:48:27.240
in or just kind of watch and see what he
0:48:24.480,0:48:29.400
does or well I'll watch and see what he
0:48:27.240,0:48:32.040
does if he just keeps rolling less is
0:48:29.400,0:48:34.920
more right yes yes great yeah because
0:48:32.040,0:48:37.680
you you I get you know Kyle's the same
0:48:34.920,0:48:40.500
way less is more if he's coming just let
0:48:37.680,0:48:43.260
him come just keep keep going but it
0:48:40.500,0:48:47.700
just if he checks up and
0:48:43.260,0:48:50.940
for whatever reasons I my go-to for cats
0:48:47.700,0:48:54.180
coyotes is Vol squeaks it or uh prairie
0:48:50.940,0:48:56.040
dog distress yeah it's it's amazing for
0:48:54.180,0:48:57.660
for unchecking animals and getting them
0:48:56.040,0:49:00.060
to move a little bit more
0:48:57.660,0:49:02.579
awesome good stuff I got one more
0:49:00.060,0:49:04.500
question for you uh with the mountain
0:49:02.579,0:49:06.540
lion Colin what is there any specific
0:49:04.500,0:49:09.240
time of year that you like better for
0:49:06.540,0:49:11.160
calling lines versus others
0:49:09.240,0:49:12.240
well it seems for me
0:49:11.160,0:49:15.660
um
0:49:12.240,0:49:18.300
uh that October November
0:49:15.660,0:49:21.720
because uh
0:49:18.300,0:49:24.660
the Young Lions are out on their own now
0:49:21.720,0:49:25.680
um they're hunting they're they're eager
0:49:24.660,0:49:28.859
to come
0:49:25.680,0:49:32.520
and um but yet the adults are still
0:49:28.859,0:49:36.119
protective right right yep so that's
0:49:32.520,0:49:40.140
where the that uh Angry Bobcat comes in
0:49:36.119,0:49:42.619
and so you get a I like that initial
0:49:40.140,0:49:46.140
cold spell because everything's moving
0:49:42.619,0:49:49.020
everything's moving and uh
0:49:46.140,0:49:51.359
yeah there's it's that time of year is
0:49:49.020,0:49:53.040
just for even for coyotes it's just
0:49:51.359,0:49:55.859
amazing
0:49:53.040,0:49:58.440
awesome so that's your favorite time of
0:49:55.859,0:50:00.060
year for say coyote Colin too I mean you
0:49:58.440,0:50:03.000
prefer any time of year for coyote
0:50:00.060,0:50:06.060
calling or I mean you're doing it 365
0:50:03.000,0:50:09.780
days pretty much but watch your favorite
0:50:06.060,0:50:13.079
if it's I have a favorite
0:50:09.780,0:50:15.900
but it depends on the you know uh that
0:50:13.079,0:50:17.819
October November when the pups are
0:50:15.900,0:50:19.020
hungry they're starting to you know
0:50:17.819,0:50:21.060
because
0:50:19.020,0:50:23.760
right now the pups are trailing behind
0:50:21.060,0:50:25.740
Mom and Dad they've left the Dan uh just
0:50:23.760,0:50:27.960
the other night I've seen you know watch
0:50:25.740,0:50:30.000
two coyotes on a hillside with four pups
0:50:27.960,0:50:31.680
traveling behind so
0:50:30.000,0:50:34.140
they're out of the den they're moving
0:50:31.680,0:50:37.440
they're teaching them hot
0:50:34.140,0:50:39.180
but that October November when they're
0:50:37.440,0:50:41.819
out on their own
0:50:39.180,0:50:44.579
in September they're out on their own
0:50:41.819,0:50:46.079
but yet they're really reluctant to come
0:50:44.579,0:50:50.180
to a call because they're afraid to get
0:50:46.079,0:50:51.859
whipped right yep and so that October
0:50:50.180,0:50:54.960
November
0:50:51.859,0:50:57.720
they're hungry they
0:50:54.960,0:50:59.819
they are that it's like they check out
0:50:57.720,0:51:01.619
all all sense of fear and they come to
0:50:59.819,0:51:06.180
the call so that they grow up pretty
0:51:01.619,0:51:08.460
quick just a few weeks time yes sir and
0:51:06.180,0:51:11.040
then my I have two favorites it's
0:51:08.460,0:51:15.420
October November for the initial you
0:51:11.040,0:51:18.599
know the uh dispersion migration yep and
0:51:15.420,0:51:22.020
you you really can capitalize on on a
0:51:18.599,0:51:25.740
lot of uh coyotes outweigh but then my
0:51:22.020,0:51:28.440
favorite I love to vocalize I
0:51:25.740,0:51:31.380
since I started prayer control I have
0:51:28.440,0:51:34.079
found a passion for vocalization and
0:51:31.380,0:51:37.200
it's that January February time frame
0:51:34.079,0:51:39.960
late December January February to where
0:51:37.200,0:51:43.200
you you don't have to play a lot of
0:51:39.960,0:51:45.359
sounds the howls and your uh
0:51:43.200,0:51:46.319
you know your mating calls stuff like
0:51:45.359,0:51:51.059
that
0:51:46.319,0:51:52.440
they just it they come yep yep no I I
0:51:51.059,0:51:55.020
like all those times of the year myself
0:51:52.440,0:51:56.819
I mean you know pretty much spot on with
0:51:55.020,0:51:59.180
you I do like some of the summer months
0:51:56.819,0:52:02.760
you know if you can handle the heat and
0:51:59.180,0:52:04.740
bugs and snakes you know we were good
0:52:02.760,0:52:07.020
grief we were in Montana there just a
0:52:04.740,0:52:10.440
couple weeks ago hunting with uh Levi
0:52:07.020,0:52:13.260
Levi Johnson and speaking of snakes he
0:52:10.440,0:52:15.359
sat down up against uh sage bush and I
0:52:13.260,0:52:17.579
hear this buzzing noise
0:52:15.359,0:52:19.619
and I'm like you know that's
0:52:17.579,0:52:21.720
unmistakable for me I've been around a
0:52:19.619,0:52:23.339
lot of you know a lot of rattlers and uh
0:52:21.720,0:52:24.839
I turn around and look look at the
0:52:23.339,0:52:26.220
camera guy the sound wasn't coming from
0:52:24.839,0:52:27.960
his area and I turned on over my other
0:52:26.220,0:52:30.180
shoulder and it was coming right from
0:52:27.960,0:52:31.440
where Levi was at and I was like Levi's
0:52:30.180,0:52:32.940
and you got a snake on you there
0:52:31.440,0:52:34.619
somewhere he's like I don't see no snake
0:52:32.940,0:52:36.960
I said you don't hear it he goes oh
0:52:34.619,0:52:38.660
that's a grasshopper buzzing that ain't
0:52:36.960,0:52:41.339
no Grasshopper
0:52:38.660,0:52:43.619
And His Dog he's got one of his dogs
0:52:41.339,0:52:47.280
there and it's like six inches from this
0:52:43.619,0:52:50.700
cold up Rattler just ready to strike and
0:52:47.280,0:52:52.559
and Levi's like 12 16 inches from it
0:52:50.700,0:52:54.599
they're in the he's it's in the sage
0:52:52.559,0:52:55.980
bush he's sitting up against like that
0:52:54.599,0:52:57.660
scared me to death I ain't much on
0:52:55.980,0:53:00.599
snakes anyway but
0:52:57.660,0:53:02.220
if you can handle it if you can you know
0:53:00.599,0:53:04.140
Wade through the snakes and stuff you
0:53:02.220,0:53:05.460
can have some pretty Dynamic uh call in
0:53:04.140,0:53:08.099
some great hunting through the through
0:53:05.460,0:53:10.859
the summer months for sure oh yeah for
0:53:08.099,0:53:12.359
sure uh and you're right about the the
0:53:10.859,0:53:16.020
snakes it's just
0:53:12.359,0:53:18.559
because I night hunt oh I've killed just
0:53:16.020,0:53:22.200
lately the rattlesnakes are out thick
0:53:18.559,0:53:24.480
good grief and
0:53:22.200,0:53:26.579
yeah I carry a good first aid kit that's
0:53:24.480,0:53:27.260
for sure yeah you better you better for
0:53:26.579,0:53:29.760
sure
0:53:27.260,0:53:31.619
but yeah that we're starting to wind
0:53:29.760,0:53:33.480
down here with time actually getting
0:53:31.619,0:53:36.300
we've been man we've been on here for
0:53:33.480,0:53:37.980
almost an hour I guess time flies when
0:53:36.300,0:53:39.300
you're talking about some fun subjects I
0:53:37.980,0:53:41.220
got I got like three or four questions
0:53:39.300,0:53:43.079
here just some quick good stuff I'd like
0:53:41.220,0:53:44.819
to ask you I ask a lot of people this
0:53:43.079,0:53:47.520
stuff at the end
0:53:44.819,0:53:49.559
um watch you what's your favorite uh
0:53:47.520,0:53:51.119
rifle caliber for say coyotes what's
0:53:49.559,0:53:53.099
your favorite cattle why are you running
0:53:51.119,0:53:56.520
um
0:53:53.099,0:53:59.819
I have two and just honestly speaking
0:53:56.520,0:54:03.780
because I did I actually use both
0:53:59.819,0:54:06.059
um 22 Creedmoor is my all-time favorite
0:54:03.780,0:54:08.760
and I do run two calibers depending on
0:54:06.059,0:54:10.980
the year through the monsoons the grass
0:54:08.760,0:54:14.940
is real deep and so in that 22 caliber
0:54:10.980,0:54:18.000
uh or 22 Creed I run a 75 grain V-Max
0:54:14.940,0:54:21.300
warranty V-Max and it gets through the
0:54:18.000,0:54:24.359
grass incredibly but once the grass goes
0:54:21.300,0:54:28.559
down the winter months I run the uh 60
0:54:24.359,0:54:30.420
uh tmks okay because the 22 Creedmoor
0:54:28.559,0:54:32.460
for me night hunting
0:54:30.420,0:54:35.640
you can uh
0:54:32.460,0:54:39.300
300 yard coyote hold that on that 60
0:54:35.640,0:54:44.280
grain bullet I'm running at 39.70 that's
0:54:39.300,0:54:46.980
smoking it is moving and so uh
0:54:44.280,0:54:50.760
even 400 yards I'm only holding top of
0:54:46.980,0:54:53.520
back yep yep and so that holding on hair
0:54:50.760,0:54:57.180
of a coyote from yeah close range all
0:54:53.520,0:54:59.339
the way out yes sir and then I don't
0:54:57.180,0:55:02.160
know why but I've settled in
0:54:59.339,0:55:05.040
to the sixth Creedmoor and both of my
0:55:02.160,0:55:08.280
both of my rifles are the Ruger American
0:55:05.040,0:55:11.520
predator yep and the sixth grade one and
0:55:08.280,0:55:13.859
that by far if you ever see me in a
0:55:11.520,0:55:15.059
contest or day hunting I'm holding my
0:55:13.859,0:55:17.520
sixth grade month
0:55:15.059,0:55:20.280
I don't know why I have so much
0:55:17.520,0:55:23.099
confidence it just anchors and when I
0:55:20.280,0:55:24.119
mean it anchors it just knocks them to
0:55:23.099,0:55:26.460
the ground
0:55:24.119,0:55:28.500
that's good stuff what about for does it
0:55:26.460,0:55:29.700
anything change if you're targeting a
0:55:28.500,0:55:34.980
mountain lion
0:55:29.700,0:55:38.880
no no no I those uh the 60
0:55:34.980,0:55:41.579
I it will absolutely anchor a line hands
0:55:38.880,0:55:43.200
down easy so you'll take the 22 Creed or
0:55:41.579,0:55:44.940
the six Creed just whichever one you can
0:55:43.200,0:55:47.359
get your hands on quickest if you got a
0:55:44.940,0:55:50.940
line spotted yes sir
0:55:47.359,0:55:52.980
absolutely absolutely that uh
0:55:50.940,0:55:54.720
that's why that Creedmoor you know
0:55:52.980,0:55:56.160
that's you know the discussions we had
0:55:54.720,0:55:59.520
earlier
0:55:56.160,0:56:03.540
you quickly find out what
0:55:59.520,0:56:07.140
the odds are of a successful shot kill
0:56:03.540,0:56:09.839
quick it's we've all tried a lot of
0:56:07.140,0:56:12.059
calibers and you just keep going back to
0:56:09.839,0:56:13.680
what works that's exactly right and I
0:56:12.059,0:56:17.460
mean you've had conversations in the
0:56:13.680,0:56:19.319
past on a 22 crew kind of traded uh load
0:56:17.460,0:56:21.960
recipes bullets would like and that type
0:56:19.319,0:56:23.640
of stuff yeah you can yes if it's got
0:56:21.960,0:56:25.140
Creedmoor with it you really can't beat
0:56:23.640,0:56:28.200
it I mean the six five that's a great
0:56:25.140,0:56:29.280
two Sixers are awesome if you wanna I
0:56:28.200,0:56:32.640
want to do a little work you can have
0:56:29.280,0:56:36.359
your 22 setup and uh 22 crew he's just
0:56:32.640,0:56:38.099
it's just amazing it's amazing our next
0:56:36.359,0:56:39.300
question here and I think you've already
0:56:38.099,0:56:41.520
answered it but I'm going to ask again
0:56:39.300,0:56:44.640
anyway what's your favorite Foxpro unit
0:56:41.520,0:56:47.760
that you're what units you run right now
0:56:44.640,0:56:49.859
uh x24 it's
0:56:47.760,0:56:53.940
I'm not saying that just because I'm
0:56:49.859,0:56:56.880
with Foxpro but as for sound quality and
0:56:53.940,0:56:59.700
no matter what win condition I can push
0:56:56.880,0:57:00.920
through it period hands down you know I
0:56:59.700,0:57:04.079
had the
0:57:00.920,0:57:08.280
cs24 the fx5
0:57:04.079,0:57:09.900
I've had a lot of calls and hands down
0:57:08.280,0:57:15.780
my favorite
0:57:09.900,0:57:18.180
is the x24 It Is by it just when I have
0:57:15.780,0:57:20.760
to call a coyote there's only one call
0:57:18.180,0:57:22.680
I'm pulling out of my truck right it's
0:57:20.760,0:57:25.680
just just the sound quality that they
0:57:22.680,0:57:28.559
put into that is just absolutely
0:57:25.680,0:57:30.720
for me I'm parallel it's awesome that's
0:57:28.559,0:57:33.119
definitely uh definitely a special unit
0:57:30.720,0:57:36.420
that's for sure well what about to watch
0:57:33.119,0:57:38.579
your three top favorite sounds if Mike
0:57:36.420,0:57:41.579
Dylan was holler at you said yeah
0:57:38.579,0:57:44.280
heard you a new x-24 throw your other
0:57:41.579,0:57:46.079
calls away but this x24 I'm sending you
0:57:44.280,0:57:48.960
is only one had three sounds on it you
0:57:46.079,0:57:51.240
pick it for you to do your professional
0:57:48.960,0:57:53.880
work out there with Predator control
0:57:51.240,0:57:56.160
what three sounds is Stacy Morris half
0:57:53.880,0:57:59.000
to half for success
0:57:56.160,0:57:59.000
it's true
0:57:59.960,0:58:06.119
Miss MC Cottontail
0:58:02.700,0:58:09.660
and come here Lonely by mfk so you've
0:58:06.119,0:58:12.900
got two good house and a rabbit yep
0:58:09.660,0:58:16.020
yep I like it yes sir I like it I I
0:58:12.900,0:58:19.559
killed more coyotes just sitting on a
0:58:16.020,0:58:22.559
stand and just doing a female loan house
0:58:19.559,0:58:25.500
or career lonely that's the only sound I
0:58:22.559,0:58:27.839
had to play right right just remember I
0:58:25.500,0:58:29.940
tell you less is more yeah oh yeah oh
0:58:27.839,0:58:31.619
yeah yeah I totally agree with you
0:58:29.940,0:58:33.960
sometimes I'm pretty guilty of playing a
0:58:31.619,0:58:37.920
lot of sound but no I agree with you oh
0:58:33.960,0:58:40.020
I I do I play a lot of sounds but it if
0:58:37.920,0:58:42.059
I can get them to get there with playing
0:58:40.020,0:58:43.680
one that means I don't have to go all
0:58:42.059,0:58:46.020
through those and I got more for later
0:58:43.680,0:58:47.940
that's right you left some sounds out
0:58:46.020,0:58:50.400
there still fresh them coyoteers that
0:58:47.940,0:58:53.339
were left behind yep sir so you like
0:58:50.400,0:58:56.040
those are you want two houses come here
0:58:53.339,0:58:58.920
lonely and then then just some female
0:58:56.040,0:59:01.859
owned house and misses the Cottontail
0:58:58.920,0:59:04.140
yes sir awesome I like those are three
0:59:01.859,0:59:05.640
great pigs you're I think you might be
0:59:04.140,0:59:07.260
the only person I've asked though that
0:59:05.640,0:59:08.940
did not throw any kind of pup distress
0:59:07.260,0:59:10.140
or coyote fight in the mix but that's
0:59:08.940,0:59:11.640
pretty interesting it's not saying
0:59:10.140,0:59:13.920
that's wrong but it's
0:59:11.640,0:59:15.119
that's that's the reason I ask these
0:59:13.920,0:59:16.980
questions to everybody I want to hear
0:59:15.119,0:59:18.960
everybody's opinion and they've all got
0:59:16.980,0:59:21.240
an opinion what their top three sounds
0:59:18.960,0:59:23.040
are and their sounds that work for them
0:59:21.240,0:59:24.720
that's that's great stuff Stacey
0:59:23.040,0:59:26.000
appreciate you sharing that with us yes
0:59:24.720,0:59:28.500
sir
0:59:26.000,0:59:31.140
I'm Gonna Knock it back a notch for you
0:59:28.500,0:59:32.940
actually two notches okay okay say Mike
0:59:31.140,0:59:35.940
sends you an x-24 and he says you don't
0:59:32.940,0:59:38.000
have one sound on it for one sound are
0:59:35.940,0:59:42.559
you gonna have on that call
0:59:38.000,0:59:42.559
one sound one sound
0:59:43.200,0:59:48.960
I'm still going to choose uh Miss
0:59:45.420,0:59:51.420
mccantille that's right I every coyote
0:59:48.960,0:59:54.980
that has ever walked the Earth
0:59:51.420,0:59:58.260
has got to eat to live
0:59:54.980,1:00:00.119
so they will come to prey distressed
0:59:58.260,1:00:01.500
sounds I've said this yeah certain
1:00:00.119,1:00:03.720
things I was talking about thinking
1:00:01.500,1:00:05.339
about today I saw a post and said you
1:00:03.720,1:00:06.960
know what's the top 10 sounds I need to
1:00:05.339,1:00:08.579
have on my call and it kind of turned
1:00:06.960,1:00:10.500
into you know what everybody's favorite
1:00:08.579,1:00:12.720
sound was and it got me thinking I was
1:00:10.500,1:00:16.319
like if I was just gonna have one sound
1:00:12.720,1:00:17.760
on a call what do I need it to be and it
1:00:16.319,1:00:19.380
was either going to be I brought it down
1:00:17.760,1:00:21.299
to myself because it's gonna be Mrs MC
1:00:19.380,1:00:24.140
Cottontail or cagey Cottontail from
1:00:21.299,1:00:26.400
Foxborough oh I can kill it
1:00:24.140,1:00:29.160
bobcat that's ever walked with those two
1:00:26.400,1:00:33.240
sounds about throwing baby cottontails
1:00:29.160,1:00:35.099
babies yeah yeah oh yeah how many cards
1:00:33.240,1:00:37.079
have you killed with that ah man I lost
1:00:35.099,1:00:38.940
count a long time ago on that okay all
1:00:37.079,1:00:41.280
three of these sound those sounds
1:00:38.940,1:00:43.500
but see here's the thing you don't have
1:00:41.280,1:00:46.559
to play it continuous see when you said
1:00:43.500,1:00:48.119
one cut you can put 20 seconds in there
1:00:46.559,1:00:50.160
and show it off 20 SEC you can change
1:00:48.119,1:00:52.920
the whole
1:00:50.160,1:00:56.579
um way that Stan reads by
1:00:52.920,1:00:58.140
the mute button and fox pitch you know
1:00:56.579,1:00:59.579
you can do so much with Fox pitch when
1:00:58.140,1:01:02.280
it comes those rabbit sounds and stuff
1:00:59.579,1:01:04.440
too oh this is Fox pitch I mean yeah
1:01:02.280,1:01:07.799
yeah but since you made me have to
1:01:04.440,1:01:09.839
mention it yeah I use it a lot
1:01:07.799,1:01:11.640
because you change you turn one sound
1:01:09.839,1:01:13.079
into two or three four right that's
1:01:11.640,1:01:15.119
right because you could slow it down
1:01:13.079,1:01:16.680
pretty much analysts right because you
1:01:15.119,1:01:18.780
can speed it up as much as you can slow
1:01:16.680,1:01:21.420
it down
1:01:18.780,1:01:23.579
Stacy I appreciate you coming on here
1:01:21.420,1:01:26.040
buddy I've learned a lot and I can't
1:01:23.579,1:01:28.079
wait to apply some of this that you've
1:01:26.040,1:01:30.420
talked with us about in the field here
1:01:28.079,1:01:32.640
over the next uh next couple months I
1:01:30.420,1:01:35.520
really appreciate you coming on buddy
1:01:32.640,1:01:37.619
well it's my pleasure buddy and call me
1:01:35.520,1:01:39.480
anytime call me anytime I look forward
1:01:37.619,1:01:40.920
to our next time yeah hopefully we'll
1:01:39.480,1:01:43.619
get together this fall maybe this
1:01:40.920,1:01:45.119
November I'd love that yeah hopefully
1:01:43.619,1:01:46.920
have you got anything you'd like to say
1:01:45.119,1:01:50.099
before we Hop Off
1:01:46.920,1:01:51.020
no I just well I do
1:01:50.099,1:01:53.640
um
1:01:51.020,1:01:55.980
evolved for all the coyote callers out
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there evolve change what you're doing by
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a little bit read the coyotes as they
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come in
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and as my dad always said
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one shot one well-placed shot is better
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than spraying and praying
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I like it I like it that's some wise
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words I think that's some good ones to
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leave out on we hope everyone enjoyed
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this episode and we hope you join us
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again right on the Foxpro podcast