The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 28: Calling Mountian Lions and Coyotes with Stacey Morris

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Stacey Morris talk mountain lions and coyotes and the best tactics for hunting both.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the Foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by Foxpro game calls

 

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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast on

 

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this episode we're going to be

 

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discussing coyote calling and Mountain

 

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Lion calling should be a good one

 

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joining us is Fox Pro staffer Stacy

 

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Morse who has a ton of experience

 

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calling coyotes and lions before we get

 

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started I want to let everyone know that

 

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we're starting to roll out the new

 

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right let's get to the discussion how

 

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you been doing Stacy how you doing Mr

 

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Collins I'm I've been doing pretty good

 

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pretty good I've been doing pretty good

 

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as well but I will say one thing it is

 

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hot down here in the Bluegrass State I

 

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think it's supposed to be like 96 97

 

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today and we've already got some uh

 

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Heat's already built up pretty good and

 

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we're going to have some pretty high

 

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humidity too so it's a it's a steamy one

 

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out there

 

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oh yeah oh yeah it's it's been 110 to

 

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114 here in Tucson and I feel you it's

 

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it's hot

 

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are you getting out doing any coyote

 

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hunting in that uh that type of heat

 

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uh during the daytime it's it's short

 

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you only you only get one or two stands

 

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in the morning and one or two right it

 

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right before the sun goes down but yeah

 

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you can still get it done

 

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you know before they shut down and then

 

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of course if you if you hunt at night uh

 

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there's that opportunity too so that

 

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seems to be better a better option right

 

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now right right well you stay you stay

 

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after them pretty heavy you pretty much

 

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hunt you around don't you

 

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yes sir I do I yeah

 

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besides doing a few little out of state

 

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contests I uh I do Predator control and

 

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so that keeps me busy almost 12 months a

 

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year right 12 months a year I'm always

 

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after yep

 

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as Stacy you know for you guys out there

 

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listen you know Stacy is an excellent

 

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excellent coyote caller he does it on a

 

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professional level you just heard him

 

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mention that does it on a professional

 

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level down in Arizona New Mexico doing

 

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some Predator control work for some

 

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livestock ranches and Stacy uh also has

 

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called in several Mountain lines over

 

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the years and he's going to tell us a

 

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little bit about that and I'm pretty

 

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excited to hear about that stuff myself

 

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because I've tried for mountain lions

 

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off and on for

 

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I don't know ever since back in like

 

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2005 and I've never been able to uh

 

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succeed with that so I'm looking forward

 

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to this podcast but Stacy uh if you

 

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don't mind you care to tell us a bit

 

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more about yourself

 

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yes sir my name's Stacy Morris and again

 

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we I'm from Tucson and

 

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you know I got into uh Predator Colin

 

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at a really young age my dad my dad and

 

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Granddad they did pray prayer control

 

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that's my granddad that's what he did

 

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for his livelihood

 

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and then my dad did it and um

 

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and then shortly after you know as I got

 

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six seven eight years old my dad started

 

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taking me uh

 

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uh coyote calling and you know the old

 

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22 magnum 22 Hornet K Hornet and uh

 

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it just got addicting and then you know

 

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soon after dad started doing contests

 

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and we were going every weekend all over

 

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the country you know

 

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and then my dad also was good friends

 

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with uh

 

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Bill Countess up in Colorado yeah yeah

 

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yeah

 

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that's who put on the the world's uh

 

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coyote yes sir yep

 

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and so he called Dad and he's like uh

 

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why aren't you ever doing this and he's

 

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like well I just

 

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never never thought we'd really have a

 

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chance because there's some pretty high

 

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talent that that it gets uh involved in

 

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that he said no you'll have a great time

 

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so dad asked me to go

 

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well that year we did really good we got

 

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we won the world uh father and son and

 

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uh it's it's a pretty big achievement

 

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there yes sir and uh second overall nice

 

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um we had a chance you know nerves

 

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nerves got to me a little bit and I

 

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missed we wound up with uh 12 the first

 

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day but I missed four

 

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and you know right off the bat that

 

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morning my dad just looked over like a

 

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dad does and he just set his hand on me

 

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he's like just calm down right it's like

 

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every other you know and every crowd

 

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after that went in the truck every

 

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coyote would call after that win the

 

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truck and we wound up with uh 16.

 

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and 18 yeah 18 won at that year and

 

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those guys you know you when you get in

 

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that level of competition every coyote

 

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counts exactly exactly

 

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so that was a huge learning curve and

 

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then uh and then I did contests you know

 

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years and won a few state championships

 

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a couple state championships and uh

 

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and then uh a few years back five or six

 

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about five years back a friend come to

 

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me and he said

 

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I rolled my car and I'm hurt really bad

 

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I said I need help you know doing some

 

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contract work are you interested in I

 

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said yes sir

 

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he said well you call really good you

 

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shoot really good I said I think he'll

 

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be a good a good match and

 

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it's been history ever since I've been

 

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doing it's every weekend every weekend

 

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I'm not and after work you know I'm gone

 

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you know helping out helping him or

 

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fulfilling my own contracts and

 

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it's been it's been a blessing I tell

 

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you it's it sounds like a dream job to

 

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me

 

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it really is but the you know the most

 

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important thing about contract is what

 

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you think about calling you know contest

 

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calling you learn so much more it's made

 

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me three times the coyote color I ever

 

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was

 

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because now you have to produce

 

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you just told you just told a Rancher

 

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hey I'm the guy and I'll take care of

 

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your problems so right yeah you've got

 

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uh you've got their livelihood in your

 

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hands so to speak and your own as well I

 

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mean that's uh that can really

 

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you know change the mind of a of a

 

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coyote Hunter how he goes about calling

 

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how he goes about you know just actually

 

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killing coyotes what type of rifle

 

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issues what caliberry shoots what kind

 

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of caul he runs the sounds he runs

 

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because it's it's more about just

 

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getting out there and uh you know you

 

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might like

 

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um the 17 Hornet but you probably need

 

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to be shooting something a little bit

 

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better if you want to be making sure you

 

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put every coyote that comes in on the

 

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ground right that's exactly right it's

 

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uh it really taught me taught me the

 

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definition of evolving and you know you

 

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had to manage your sounds manage your

 

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calibers manage how you set up and how

 

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much exposure you give them and and just

 

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the whole technique of what you how you

 

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call drastically changes right yeah you

 

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know the the caliber thing that's a

 

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that's a touchy subject for a lot of

 

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people you know you see on Facebook you

 

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see it on Facebook all the time Stacy

 

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you know and I do as well sometimes I'm

 

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looking like guys what are you what are

 

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you thinking you know

 

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um I've shot almost uh well a little bit

 

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of everything I've shot the 17 Remington

 

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in the past which is a little Center

 

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fire deal you know what that is Stacy

 

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and uh shot to 204 or some I've shot

 

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223s and I've shot about everything but

 

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once I started doing this for a living

 

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when when my you know

 

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how I pay my bills has to do with me

 

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killing coyotes man I walked away from

 

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him 17 Remington 204 is pretty quick you

 

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won't hardly ever catch me shoot

 

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anything lesser than a 22 250 now it's

 

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22 250 six Creeds 22 Creeds all that

 

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type of stuff you know the the little

 

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stuff the little marginal stuff kind of

 

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just thrown to the side that you still

 

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see guys will ask a question on Facebook

 

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and stuff like that it's like hey what's

 

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the best caliber for coyotes and you

 

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always see somebody put some little

 

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video pea shooter in there and you're

 

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like are you serious is that really the

 

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best you know if your life depended on

 

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it that's what you're going to take out

 

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that's exactly right and I just I just

 

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kind of sit back and laugh and it's like

 

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you you see all these you know comments

 

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that that you're like you picture this

 

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in your mind and you're thinking well

 

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how many coyotes Got Away using that

 

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caliber that bullet because when it's

 

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your profession you shoot a lot of

 

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ammunition testing yep a lot and like

 

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you said when you're

 

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when your livelihood depends on it you

 

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you quickly find out and start settling

 

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to just a handful of calibers that

 

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really do put fur on the ground 243 is

 

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one of them it's a good one too yes one

 

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of the best ever ever that's hit the

 

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coyote Colin world I mean it's on the

 

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Mount Rushmore of coyote calibers so to

 

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speak yeah I totally agree and you hit

 

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the nail right on the head too when it

 

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comes to ammo I mean you know there's

 

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some of that stuff there's just some

 

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stuff it just does better than other

 

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certain bullets that perform better than

 

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others certain bullet weights uh that

 

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perform so much better than others in

 

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certain calibers and and guys don't

 

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don't turn this podcast off if I've said

 

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if I've downed you caliber this is not

 

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what that's about I'm just saying you

 

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know because I shot all that stuff I

 

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loved I love shooting a 17 Remington

 

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when I did run it I would still use it a

 

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little bit today if I still had it it

 

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actually got stolen out of my Dagon

 

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pickup truck one time but uh well it's

 

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only time but anyway it's my busting my

 

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window out took my took my 17 Remington

 

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that was many moons ago and you know yes

 

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sir I've thought about getting another

 

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one but then I think back

 

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you know I lost coyotes to it you know

 

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I'd shoot coyotes every you know one out

 

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of every so many coyotes you was gonna

 

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you weren't gonna find you know produced

 

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a lot of Runners and then when I got to

 

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doing what I am today I pretty much quit

 

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thinking about this 17 Remington same

 

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thing for the 204 I have Damned

 

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I'm talking about Stone Cold chilled

 

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yeah you're telling how many coyote to

 

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the 204. I mean I'm talking about not

 

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somebody's killed a dozen or two coyotes

 

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with a 204 I've killed a couple hundred

 

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or more coyotes of the 204 but I've lost

 

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I've lost several coils to a 204. I've

 

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seen many Runners where they run 50 60

 

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even 100 yards before they pile up and

 

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you know then once I've you know bumped

 

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on up and started shooting like you just

 

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said 243 six Creed 22 250. all those

 

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type of calories 22 crew I've killed a

 

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lot of coyotes with 22 Creed it's just

 

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so much more killing power you got there

 

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yes sir and you know that a lot of

 

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people don't think about the shock

 

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that's generated off of it and and

 

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that's that's as much as anything when

 

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you hit those a little bit bigger

 

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calendar calibers they just carry that

 

0:11:05.040,0:11:09.839

more that that next higher level of

 

0:11:08.040,0:11:12.779

killing power that's right that's right

 

0:11:09.839,0:11:14.579

and uh and I think for me I owe it to

 

0:11:12.779,0:11:17.880

the animal to make it as quick as

 

0:11:14.579,0:11:19.740

possible oh man it's 100 100 they

 

0:11:17.880,0:11:21.480

deserve it I really do I mean I know a

 

0:11:19.740,0:11:24.000

lot of people yes sir don't like I love

 

0:11:21.480,0:11:27.000

Coyotes I know a lot of people I hate a

 

0:11:24.000,0:11:29.339

coyote but if you love them or hate them

 

0:11:27.000,0:11:30.540

they still deserve deserve a little bit

 

0:11:29.339,0:11:32.160

better you know what I mean I mean go

 

0:11:30.540,0:11:34.620

ahead and get them get them dispatched

 

0:11:32.160,0:11:35.880

right yes sir and another thing when it

 

0:11:34.620,0:11:37.980

comes to calibers you know you always

 

0:11:35.880,0:11:40.680

hear you know you'll see people say this

 

0:11:37.980,0:11:42.000

or that and you'll see somebody say well

 

0:11:40.680,0:11:44.579

you know you probably should stay away

 

0:11:42.000,0:11:46.079

from them little bitty 17 hmrs and all

 

0:11:44.579,0:11:48.240

that stuff and you'll always see this

 

0:11:46.079,0:11:50.100

same old comment and everybody out there

 

0:11:48.240,0:11:52.440

is listening knows what I'm fixing to

 

0:11:50.100,0:11:54.360

say and I know you know what too Daisy

 

0:11:52.440,0:11:56.700

oh I have somebody pop up and say well

 

0:11:54.360,0:11:58.920

it's all about shot placement oh

 

0:11:56.700,0:12:01.140

absolutely of course it is but we're

 

0:11:58.920,0:12:03.420

talking about calling coyotes it's a

 

0:12:01.140,0:12:05.040

fast-paced situation sometimes we're

 

0:12:03.420,0:12:06.839

having to take running shots we might

 

0:12:05.040,0:12:08.459

shoot a coyote at six steps right at the

 

0:12:06.839,0:12:11.820

end of our Gun Barrel we might be

 

0:12:08.459,0:12:14.579

shooting coyotes 500 plus yards and you

 

0:12:11.820,0:12:17.040

know fast-paced situations it ranges

 

0:12:14.579,0:12:19.920

right up close and personal to Extended

 

0:12:17.040,0:12:21.779

ranges sometimes absolutely sometimes

 

0:12:19.920,0:12:24.720

shot placement can be a little left

 

0:12:21.779,0:12:27.000

right up down it's just it's just how it

 

0:12:24.720,0:12:29.399

is a coyote's got to move as soon as you

 

0:12:27.000,0:12:30.959

squeeze it off and I tell you what if

 

0:12:29.399,0:12:33.120

you're shooting a caliber that's got a

 

0:12:30.959,0:12:35.459

little bit more butt behind it and a

 

0:12:33.120,0:12:37.019

great bullet you're going to pick up a

 

0:12:35.459,0:12:38.579

lot of those coyotes that maybe isn't

 

0:12:37.019,0:12:40.800

the perfect shot it's still going to

 

0:12:38.579,0:12:43.380

Stone Cold Chillum or they're just going

 

0:12:40.800,0:12:45.600

to spin and go five or six yards versus

 

0:12:43.380,0:12:49.139

losing a coyote you know never say

 

0:12:45.600,0:12:51.720

anything exactly and for me

 

0:12:49.139,0:12:55.320

you know if I Stone Cold kill one with

 

0:12:51.720,0:12:57.480

one shot I get on the remote I hit just

 

0:12:55.320,0:12:59.519

a little bit of Pub distress and now I'm

 

0:12:57.480,0:13:02.459

calling again and now I turn to one

 

0:12:59.519,0:13:05.040

coyote stand in to a two two coyote

 

0:13:02.459,0:13:07.200

stand or three coyote stand because you

 

0:13:05.040,0:13:09.300

know if you'd make that just one shot a

 

0:13:07.200,0:13:10.980

coyote will stop and listen and if the

 

0:13:09.300,0:13:14.339

next thing he hears

 

0:13:10.980,0:13:16.079

is pup distress or or whatever you

 

0:13:14.339,0:13:19.380

follow that up with real quick and then

 

0:13:16.079,0:13:21.480

get back in your sequence now you're

 

0:13:19.380,0:13:24.540

producing more because there's more than

 

0:13:21.480,0:13:27.360

just one coyote up there right and uh

 

0:13:24.540,0:13:30.360

it's it's there's more to it than than

 

0:13:27.360,0:13:33.180

you know what just meets the eye it's

 

0:13:30.360,0:13:35.579

it's follow-up you know turning like I

 

0:13:33.180,0:13:38.040

said turn one Cloud into two possibly

 

0:13:35.579,0:13:40.260

three shoot I've killed as many as five

 

0:13:38.040,0:13:41.700

on one stand singles all singles coming

 

0:13:40.260,0:13:45.720

in yeah

 

0:13:41.700,0:13:47.820

and uh you just you just

 

0:13:45.720,0:13:50.100

I don't know I think it's a money maker

 

0:13:47.820,0:13:53.519

you know that that little bit higher

 

0:13:50.100,0:13:55.860

caliber it produces way more right you

 

0:13:53.519,0:13:58.100

get way more out of it oh yeah we kind

 

0:13:55.860,0:14:00.959

of got off on a tangent here but

 

0:13:58.100,0:14:02.459

I actually just saw all these posts it

 

0:14:00.959,0:14:05.160

was already fresh my mind as soon as we

 

0:14:02.459,0:14:07.860

start to State it anyway you know we'll

 

0:14:05.160,0:14:09.540

move on from this but okay one one last

 

0:14:07.860,0:14:12.839

thing to say about it you know for

 

0:14:09.540,0:14:15.300

everybody you know there's

 

0:14:12.839,0:14:17.820

you know every coyote comes to the cause

 

0:14:15.300,0:14:20.760

of blessing coyote bobcat mountain lion

 

0:14:17.820,0:14:23.100

whatever Fox you know making shots count

 

0:14:20.760,0:14:25.380

you know it's there's so much work that

 

0:14:23.100,0:14:27.420

goes into it and all of us if you're

 

0:14:25.380,0:14:28.620

listening to this we all love it so I

 

0:14:27.420,0:14:29.760

mean make sure you're putting them

 

0:14:28.620,0:14:31.860

coyotes down there ain't no sense

 

0:14:29.760,0:14:34.100

leaving it to chance on a lesser bullet

 

0:14:31.860,0:14:36.540

or lesser caliber right

 

0:14:34.100,0:14:39.420

exactly right I mean

 

0:14:36.540,0:14:40.920

it's like I said it just you have way

 

0:14:39.420,0:14:44.760

more fun and this is the biggest thing

 

0:14:40.920,0:14:47.880

it's way more fun it produces me and

 

0:14:44.760,0:14:50.940

and especially with kids it's just they

 

0:14:47.880,0:14:52.980

there's big eyed smiles and it's it's

 

0:14:50.940,0:14:54.120

just that's that's right and you get the

 

0:14:52.980,0:14:56.339

nail right on the head right there it's

 

0:14:54.120,0:14:58.740

more fun it's more fun to drop a kite on

 

0:14:56.339,0:14:59.940

these tracks than as a search for one

 

0:14:58.740,0:15:01.800

for a couple hundred yards through

 

0:14:59.940,0:15:03.959

thickets and Briars and can't deep

 

0:15:01.800,0:15:07.199

canyons and all that stuff yes let's

 

0:15:03.959,0:15:09.060

let's move on here let's get back to the

 

0:15:07.199,0:15:10.440

to the coyote calling you don't know

 

0:15:09.060,0:15:12.480

you're doing it on a professional level

 

0:15:10.440,0:15:15.000

and you're down in the southwest Arizona

 

0:15:12.480,0:15:17.579

New Mexico area and stuff how many

 

0:15:15.000,0:15:19.760

coyotes have you been killing a year

 

0:15:17.579,0:15:21.779

over the last two or three years in this

 

0:15:19.760,0:15:25.199

line of work

 

0:15:21.779,0:15:27.720

but see my year starts my year starts

 

0:15:25.199,0:15:29.760

July 1st and then it goes all the way to

 

0:15:27.720,0:15:33.540

July 1st

 

0:15:29.760,0:15:35.000

um just this month alone I've killed 32

 

0:15:33.540,0:15:38.880

so far

 

0:15:35.000,0:15:42.060

and uh over the past three years

 

0:15:38.880,0:15:45.720

just contract work has been in excess of

 

0:15:42.060,0:15:47.519

700. and in the last three years in the

 

0:15:45.720,0:15:50.160

last three years yes sir it's not

 

0:15:47.519,0:15:52.380

including just going out and you know

 

0:15:50.160,0:15:54.660

calling with my buddies you know Jeremy

 

0:15:52.380,0:15:59.100

and Bailey and and some other guys

 

0:15:54.660,0:16:01.740

that's just just contract work yeah yeah

 

0:15:59.100,0:16:05.579

and that's strictly Colin that's not

 

0:16:01.740,0:16:08.160

trapping that's coming to the uh x24

 

0:16:05.579,0:16:10.620

Colin and Keela I like it calling and

 

0:16:08.160,0:16:12.120

killing seven over 700 coyotes in the

 

0:16:10.620,0:16:13.800

last three years you guys hearing that

 

0:16:12.120,0:16:16.260

y'all better be listening up for us his

 

0:16:13.800,0:16:17.579

podcast all of them it's left we

 

0:16:16.260,0:16:20.760

probably drove some of them off talking

 

0:16:17.579,0:16:22.680

about talking about calibers a lot of

 

0:16:20.760,0:16:25.019

you you know I've said that a little bit

 

0:16:22.680,0:16:26.940

and people's like uh you you keep

 

0:16:25.019,0:16:30.540

counting I was like yes sir I actually

 

0:16:26.940,0:16:34.019

do I I write them down on paper and well

 

0:16:30.540,0:16:36.899

that's how you build yeah and exactly

 

0:16:34.019,0:16:38.880

but I also manage my sounds I write

 

0:16:36.899,0:16:40.639

everything down I manage my sounds where

 

0:16:38.880,0:16:44.040

I called what I used

 

0:16:40.639,0:16:45.899

I manage everything and you've got to

 

0:16:44.040,0:16:48.720

especially if you're either a contract

 

0:16:45.899,0:16:50.519

work for a Rancher and uh you've got to

 

0:16:48.720,0:16:52.220

hunt it year round I mean you've got a

 

0:16:50.519,0:16:54.720

map out that place you've got to be

 

0:16:52.220,0:16:56.399

knowing what sounds you played when and

 

0:16:54.720,0:16:58.680

where and because you got to change

 

0:16:56.399,0:17:02.160

things up to keep things fresh to keep

 

0:16:58.680,0:17:05.339

killing exactly and just off of one

 

0:17:02.160,0:17:07.880

property uh last year I killed uh 187

 

0:17:05.339,0:17:07.880

coyotes

 

0:17:08.839,0:17:15.600

just off of one property that's build

 

0:17:11.880,0:17:18.720

coyotes and you know it's

 

0:17:15.600,0:17:20.699

yeah it's a blessing it's I very

 

0:17:18.720,0:17:21.660

thankful for what I know and what I can

 

0:17:20.699,0:17:23.339

do

 

0:17:21.660,0:17:27.059

well he was talking about earlier about

 

0:17:23.339,0:17:29.040

you know you do night hunting and day

 

0:17:27.059,0:17:30.720

hunting and you're probably like you're

 

0:17:29.040,0:17:32.900

talking about with the heat right now

 

0:17:30.720,0:17:35.760

you're predominantly night hunting right

 

0:17:32.900,0:17:38.220

yes sir yes sir and you'll do both

 

0:17:35.760,0:17:40.500

through throughout the year you know

 

0:17:38.220,0:17:42.059

year round just so you can make sure

 

0:17:40.500,0:17:43.919

you're staying on top of these coyotes

 

0:17:42.059,0:17:47.700

for these ranchers is that correct

 

0:17:43.919,0:17:50.340

exactly right and um and I'll switch it

 

0:17:47.700,0:17:52.940

up because you know I

 

0:17:50.340,0:17:56.280

you said it as much as anybody else

 

0:17:52.940,0:17:58.980

coyotes learn they are extremely

 

0:17:56.280,0:18:01.799

intelligent and so you know you start

 

0:17:58.980,0:18:03.960

night hunting and then they kind of pick

 

0:18:01.799,0:18:07.080

up on that and then I'll move back to

 

0:18:03.960,0:18:09.299

day hunting yep and it kind of switches

 

0:18:07.080,0:18:11.400

up things and and uh

 

0:18:09.299,0:18:13.740

you got to do that remember I said

 

0:18:11.400,0:18:15.360

earlier you got to evolve and

 

0:18:13.740,0:18:16.919

that's one of the learning curves you

 

0:18:15.360,0:18:19.679

start learning

 

0:18:16.919,0:18:21.419

how coyotes React to what you're doing

 

0:18:19.679,0:18:24.120

and um

 

0:18:21.419,0:18:26.940

patience is key a lot of your stands

 

0:18:24.120,0:18:29.160

even now at night even at night with the

 

0:18:26.940,0:18:30.960

heat they don't move they don't move

 

0:18:29.160,0:18:33.480

like they do in the wintertime right

 

0:18:30.960,0:18:36.080

some of my stands I'll see them coming

 

0:18:33.480,0:18:38.820

I'll see them coming for

 

0:18:36.080,0:18:42.360

25-30 minutes a stand will take 45

 

0:18:38.820,0:18:45.120

minutes even at night yeah yeah and and

 

0:18:42.360,0:18:48.000

you just you just patiently keep keep

 

0:18:45.120,0:18:50.220

working and and getting those educated

 

0:18:48.000,0:18:53.760

coyotes in the back of the truck

 

0:18:50.220,0:18:56.340

and they uh

 

0:18:53.760,0:18:58.500

they get smart so you really have to be

 

0:18:56.340,0:19:00.539

careful on what you're doing right so

 

0:18:58.500,0:19:02.880

with like your experience with what

 

0:19:00.539,0:19:04.740

you're doing here with a night hunting

 

0:19:02.880,0:19:06.900

and day hunting you know I know a lot of

 

0:19:04.740,0:19:08.400

guys that's all they do is you know on

 

0:19:06.900,0:19:11.280

both ends I know guys that just day

 

0:19:08.400,0:19:12.539

hunting no guys that just night hunt uh

 

0:19:11.280,0:19:15.419

they won't even think about making

 

0:19:12.539,0:19:18.000

daytime stands wherever they hunt do you

 

0:19:15.419,0:19:20.039

feel like people that that get get in

 

0:19:18.000,0:19:22.320

those situations like we all know that

 

0:19:20.039,0:19:24.179

nighttime is is more productive I mean

 

0:19:22.320,0:19:25.919

it's there is no time when they're on

 

0:19:24.179,0:19:30.299

their feet being a coyote right

 

0:19:25.919,0:19:32.940

yes sir 100 do you feel like still with

 

0:19:30.299,0:19:34.919

night hunting people that just night

 

0:19:32.940,0:19:36.780

hunt and won't never make any day stands

 

0:19:34.919,0:19:38.700

do you think they're probably leaving

 

0:19:36.780,0:19:40.620

coyotes on a table or do you think they

 

0:19:38.700,0:19:43.140

can get them out at night

 

0:19:40.620,0:19:45.299

from personal experience hands down I

 

0:19:43.140,0:19:47.160

agree with that 100 because it's

 

0:19:45.299,0:19:50.700

happening it happens to me

 

0:19:47.160,0:19:54.059

uh day in and day out because

 

0:19:50.700,0:19:57.780

they get used to again you know you set

 

0:19:54.059,0:20:01.260

up in this area and I often change areas

 

0:19:57.780,0:20:03.660

uh or change stand locations to make

 

0:20:01.260,0:20:04.679

sure that they don't they don't get used

 

0:20:03.660,0:20:06.720

to

 

0:20:04.679,0:20:08.100

that certain area and it keeps them

 

0:20:06.720,0:20:09.419

coming but

 

0:20:08.100,0:20:11.700

uh

 

0:20:09.419,0:20:13.799

I've had them stand out and bark and

 

0:20:11.700,0:20:15.179

I'll locate them on my GPS I'll come

 

0:20:13.799,0:20:17.400

back in a day

 

0:20:15.179,0:20:19.620

not first thing in the morning I'll let

 

0:20:17.400,0:20:23.400

the sun come up around 9 30 10 o'clock

 

0:20:19.620,0:20:25.620

and I'll sit on that stand and I've told

 

0:20:23.400,0:20:28.200

a lot of people they asked me how do you

 

0:20:25.620,0:20:30.000

do it and I said patience is key was

 

0:20:28.200,0:20:32.760

educated coyotes who can't get in a

 

0:20:30.000,0:20:36.480

hurry and you have to slow roll it

 

0:20:32.760,0:20:38.640

a simple little how and wait and then

 

0:20:36.480,0:20:41.340

and then go into your sequence maybe a

 

0:20:38.640,0:20:44.460

little bit of rabbits and crows whatever

 

0:20:41.340,0:20:47.640

but you you slow roll it in those stands

 

0:20:44.460,0:20:49.679

somewhere upward 20 30 minutes that they

 

0:20:47.640,0:20:51.900

produce because now they're used to me

 

0:20:49.679,0:20:53.880

calling at night but something new is

 

0:20:51.900,0:20:57.900

happening during the day

 

0:20:53.880,0:21:01.320

and I've hit quad just the other morning

 

0:20:57.900,0:21:04.799

um I did that exact approach uh Saturday

 

0:21:01.320,0:21:08.640

I did that exact approach called in sick

 

0:21:04.799,0:21:09.720

coyotes killed four I only left two leap

 

0:21:08.640,0:21:11.520

because

 

0:21:09.720,0:21:14.640

yes sir

 

0:21:11.520,0:21:17.100

is I called it night they held me out so

 

0:21:14.640,0:21:18.960

I just stopped you know you don't want

 

0:21:17.100,0:21:20.340

to just keep a lot of times you don't

 

0:21:18.960,0:21:22.500

just don't want to keep throwing sounds

 

0:21:20.340,0:21:25.080

at him stop

 

0:21:22.500,0:21:27.179

move on and then come back maybe in the

 

0:21:25.080,0:21:29.820

morning maybe the next morning but

 

0:21:27.179,0:21:32.760

change what you're doing and come back

 

0:21:29.820,0:21:34.980

and you'll trigger that that group or

 

0:21:32.760,0:21:36.299

that single coyote or whoever busted you

 

0:21:34.980,0:21:39.000

and get them in and kill them right

 

0:21:36.299,0:21:42.240

right well it's that's great stuff I

 

0:21:39.000,0:21:43.700

mean so you had a family group Six

 

0:21:42.240,0:21:46.080

concerts

 

0:21:43.700,0:21:49.799

up on you at night time

 

0:21:46.080,0:21:52.140

yes sir and you switch gears you know I

 

0:21:49.799,0:21:54.240

and we did a podcast over uh pressure

 

0:21:52.140,0:21:56.700

coyotes you know honey hunting educated

 

0:21:54.240,0:21:59.039

coyotes now use the term conditioned

 

0:21:56.700,0:22:00.600

though would you would you say it's fair

 

0:21:59.039,0:22:02.100

to say that those coyote you kind of

 

0:22:00.600,0:22:03.780

condition those coyotes to your

 

0:22:02.100,0:22:07.260

nighttime schedule go on there and

 

0:22:03.780,0:22:09.419

trying them exactly right what I chalked

 

0:22:07.260,0:22:11.159

that up to is I made a call three

 

0:22:09.419,0:22:13.559

quarters of a mile a mile down the road

 

0:22:11.159,0:22:18.360

and I think they heard me and when I

 

0:22:13.559,0:22:20.880

killed it up yeah yeah sir and um

 

0:22:18.360,0:22:23.100

so what I did is I just changed tactics

 

0:22:20.880,0:22:24.840

changed locations and

 

0:22:23.100,0:22:26.760

and came back at them at a different

 

0:22:24.840,0:22:28.559

time during the day and they just

 

0:22:26.760,0:22:31.140

weren't used to that and

 

0:22:28.559,0:22:34.080

I think I think people leave so many

 

0:22:31.140,0:22:35.760

coyotes on the table not not taking uh

 

0:22:34.080,0:22:38.400

the opportunity to call during the day

 

0:22:35.760,0:22:40.860

if they primarily night hunt it's

 

0:22:38.400,0:22:42.960

awesome info I had some had a family

 

0:22:40.860,0:22:45.659

group of coyotes whooping up on Stacy

 

0:22:42.960,0:22:47.220

trying to night hunt them switch gears

 

0:22:45.659,0:22:49.919

came back and tried them during the day

 

0:22:47.220,0:22:51.720

and killed a quad caught in six coyotes

 

0:22:49.919,0:22:55.080

and killed four out of six that's pretty

 

0:22:51.720,0:22:59.640

impressive yes sir yes sir

 

0:22:55.080,0:23:01.860

pretty impressive man I that's uh

 

0:22:59.640,0:23:04.080

you know I I know on the opposite end of

 

0:23:01.860,0:23:06.299

that you know I'm I'm a daytime Hunter I

 

0:23:04.080,0:23:10.320

know I've been places that uh I've

 

0:23:06.299,0:23:11.820

screwed the coyotes up and be like man I

 

0:23:10.320,0:23:13.620

need to come back in here at night I bet

 

0:23:11.820,0:23:15.659

I could kill them at night and it's not

 

0:23:13.620,0:23:17.940

really saying that the night time is

 

0:23:15.659,0:23:20.100

easier it's just saying hey I've

 

0:23:17.940,0:23:21.960

conditioned these coyotes trying to hunt

 

0:23:20.100,0:23:23.580

them during the day I bet I could come

 

0:23:21.960,0:23:24.780

in from a different end and hunt them at

 

0:23:23.580,0:23:26.760

a total different time which would be

 

0:23:24.780,0:23:28.799

night time and throw a different set of

 

0:23:26.760,0:23:30.900

sounds at them it could pretty really up

 

0:23:28.799,0:23:32.820

my odds getting those coyotes killed

 

0:23:30.900,0:23:35.400

yes sir

 

0:23:32.820,0:23:38.640

and a lot of people keep forgetting

 

0:23:35.400,0:23:41.880

about Fox Fusion because like I'll take

 

0:23:38.640,0:23:44.940

a rabbit sound and fuse in Crows or or

 

0:23:41.880,0:23:46.020

even a rodent distress yep and with a

 

0:23:44.940,0:23:48.179

pup sound

 

0:23:46.020,0:23:49.740

and I'll tell you what that triggers

 

0:23:48.179,0:23:52.380

coyotes

 

0:23:49.740,0:23:55.020

huge huge when that because it brings

 

0:23:52.380,0:23:56.640

realism into everything right and you're

 

0:23:55.020,0:23:59.400

running what the x2s when you're doing

 

0:23:56.640,0:24:02.640

that or yes sir I've run that no I've

 

0:23:59.400,0:24:04.919

run two calls the x24 and the x2s yeah

 

0:24:02.640,0:24:08.460

I'll catch you yeah yeah oh yeah well

 

0:24:04.919,0:24:10.320

Fox views is a great man that's a great

 

0:24:08.460,0:24:12.059

feature just for doing for stuff just

 

0:24:10.320,0:24:14.700

like what you just mentioned

 

0:24:12.059,0:24:16.919

yes sir and uh

 

0:24:14.700,0:24:19.559

we'll be talking about a line hunting

 

0:24:16.919,0:24:20.760

but that that fox Fusion is is huge when

 

0:24:19.559,0:24:22.380

you call lines

 

0:24:20.760,0:24:24.419

I'll tell you what you just talked me

 

0:24:22.380,0:24:26.159

right into it I know where I know we

 

0:24:24.419,0:24:27.600

talk a lot about coyote hunting we've

 

0:24:26.159,0:24:30.120

already spent a few you know about 20

 

0:24:27.600,0:24:31.080

minutes on coyote hunting and uh I

 

0:24:30.120,0:24:33.240

mentioned earlier was going to be

 

0:24:31.080,0:24:35.220

talking about mountain lion calling I

 

0:24:33.240,0:24:36.539

think this is a perfect segue to go

 

0:24:35.220,0:24:39.659

right into it because I'm kind of

 

0:24:36.539,0:24:42.059

chomping at the bit uh you know I've

 

0:24:39.659,0:24:45.240

tried in many states I've tried in New

 

0:24:42.059,0:24:47.159

Mexico I've tried in Oregon uh for for

 

0:24:45.240,0:24:48.419

mountain lions and I've had my butt

 

0:24:47.159,0:24:50.580

whooped you know I'm trying to call them

 

0:24:48.419,0:24:53.220

you know I have hunted with dogs but I

 

0:24:50.580,0:24:55.559

would that's probably my dream hunt

 

0:24:53.220,0:24:58.679

um yes sir is is a called in Mountain

 

0:24:55.559,0:25:00.600

line so I I've said this before in

 

0:24:58.679,0:25:02.580

previous podcasts I've got my pen and

 

0:25:00.600,0:25:05.400

paper out got my notebook right here I'm

 

0:25:02.580,0:25:07.679

ready to learn so you've got experience

 

0:25:05.400,0:25:09.059

calling them mountain lions oh yeah and

 

0:25:07.679,0:25:11.640

you've

 

0:25:09.059,0:25:13.200

far as anybody I know personally I'm

 

0:25:11.640,0:25:14.760

pretty sure you've caught in more

 

0:25:13.200,0:25:16.679

mountain lions and kill more mountain

 

0:25:14.760,0:25:19.919

lions than anybody I know as far as

 

0:25:16.679,0:25:21.840

caught in mountain lions yeah how many

 

0:25:19.919,0:25:25.140

I've killed quite how many lines have

 

0:25:21.840,0:25:27.740

you called in Stacy over the years

 

0:25:25.140,0:25:31.039

over the years

 

0:25:27.740,0:25:36.539

it's that many you can't count them all

 

0:25:31.039,0:25:38.220

I just guessed 30 40. I mean I mean

 

0:25:36.539,0:25:40.440

would your dad are in Mountain Lion

 

0:25:38.220,0:25:43.260

Country I mean you know exactly and

 

0:25:40.440,0:25:45.480

there and that's that's a you know I

 

0:25:43.260,0:25:48.779

would say it's a gift because

 

0:25:45.480,0:25:51.240

there's more Lions per square mile in

 

0:25:48.779,0:25:53.820

this in this lower part of the United

 

0:25:51.240,0:25:57.480

States then there is a peace or up north

 

0:25:53.820,0:25:58.980

right yeah and uh just the opportunities

 

0:25:57.480,0:26:00.779

there yep

 

0:25:58.980,0:26:02.880

yep so

 

0:26:00.779,0:26:04.919

yeah they've got to be where a mountain

 

0:26:02.880,0:26:07.500

lion is if we can call it in right

 

0:26:04.919,0:26:09.600

yes sir that's exactly right and you

 

0:26:07.500,0:26:12.179

know that's one of my when we have a

 

0:26:09.600,0:26:14.400

problem lying it and they call me

 

0:26:12.179,0:26:17.400

I break out the spot and scope and go to

 

0:26:14.400,0:26:20.340

work just like you hunt deer yeah yep

 

0:26:17.400,0:26:21.960

and uh you know early morning they they

 

0:26:20.340,0:26:25.620

like to get out on the rocks and lay

 

0:26:21.960,0:26:29.100

down and getting that sun and

 

0:26:25.620,0:26:30.900

and that's that's a huge that's a huge

 

0:26:29.100,0:26:33.179

Advantage for me and then I just working

 

0:26:30.900,0:26:35.340

close and go to work you're saying

 

0:26:33.179,0:26:37.140

you've actually you'll get if there's a

 

0:26:35.340,0:26:38.760

line working our area that you know like

 

0:26:37.140,0:26:39.679

a Rancher or whoever's having some

 

0:26:38.760,0:26:43.679

trouble

 

0:26:39.679,0:26:46.320

Nation from a line you'll start working

 

0:26:43.679,0:26:47.640

that area first off by glassing and

 

0:26:46.320,0:26:49.100

actually looking for they're trying to

 

0:26:47.640,0:26:51.960

spot a line

 

0:26:49.100,0:26:54.360

exactly right and you know a lot of

 

0:26:51.960,0:26:57.539

times I I wind up you know locating

 

0:26:54.360,0:27:00.840

three or four there's you know really oh

 

0:26:57.539,0:27:03.299

yes sir but you know you try to

 

0:27:00.840,0:27:05.159

you try to locate the one that's the

 

0:27:03.299,0:27:07.679

hard part about pressure control is

 

0:27:05.159,0:27:09.480

you're looking for one because they've

 

0:27:07.679,0:27:12.360

seen it it's been in the yard or

 

0:27:09.480,0:27:15.179

whatever and you're looking for that one

 

0:27:12.360,0:27:17.820

to start there and then you know

 

0:27:15.179,0:27:18.600

you know you work out from there but you

 

0:27:17.820,0:27:21.419

know and

 

0:27:18.600,0:27:23.640

in New Mexico with those tags you can

 

0:27:21.419,0:27:25.860

you can kill two a year so

 

0:27:23.640,0:27:29.760

you know I locate to and go to work

 

0:27:25.860,0:27:32.820

right right do you so do you always want

 

0:27:29.760,0:27:34.500

to locate lines before you go call or do

 

0:27:32.820,0:27:38.460

you go to any blind calling just start

 

0:27:34.500,0:27:40.559

making stands no I I do a lot of blind

 

0:27:38.460,0:27:44.520

blind calling yeah a lot of blind

 

0:27:40.559,0:27:45.539

calling and that's just if I cut a track

 

0:27:44.520,0:27:49.380

or

 

0:27:45.539,0:27:52.860

you know I just sit down uh last year I

 

0:27:49.380,0:27:56.760

had it was a pretty hairy situation but

 

0:27:52.860,0:27:59.159

exciting exciting I sat down to do a

 

0:27:56.760,0:28:01.200

coyote stand and my dog was

 

0:27:59.159,0:28:02.460

probably two to three hundred yards in

 

0:28:01.200,0:28:04.320

front of me working back and forth

 

0:28:02.460,0:28:07.320

because I spotted

 

0:28:04.320,0:28:09.720

uh three coyotes glassing down the road

 

0:28:07.320,0:28:12.120

way over on a hillside so I moved in and

 

0:28:09.720,0:28:14.760

hiked in and was working the coyotes and

 

0:28:12.120,0:28:17.460

you know you get that funny feeling that

 

0:28:14.760,0:28:20.940

you should turn around and I was I was

 

0:28:17.460,0:28:24.480

just playing the um Miss MC Cottontail

 

0:28:20.940,0:28:26.700

and I had that feeling and I just you

 

0:28:24.480,0:28:29.400

know the hair stood up and you just

 

0:28:26.700,0:28:31.200

turn around and glanced and it was just

 

0:28:29.400,0:28:33.059

like it went from blurry to Crystal

 

0:28:31.200,0:28:36.659

Clear you went eye to eye with the

 

0:28:33.059,0:28:38.340

mountain lion oh my goodness and setting

 

0:28:36.659,0:28:42.240

sitting behind me

 

0:28:38.340,0:28:43.140

200 yards 300 yards I had no idea he was

 

0:28:42.240,0:28:44.700

there

 

0:28:43.140,0:28:47.400

and uh

 

0:28:44.700,0:28:50.460

Young Young Lion wasn't very old you

 

0:28:47.400,0:28:53.279

know three years old and uh

 

0:28:50.460,0:28:55.620

you know the Facebook world got to see

 

0:28:53.279,0:28:57.480

that one last year yeah I remember it I

 

0:28:55.620,0:28:59.279

remember the story and I started

 

0:28:57.480,0:29:00.020

reliving it as you started talking about

 

0:28:59.279,0:29:02.760

it

 

0:29:00.020,0:29:05.100

I got I got goosebumps thinking about it

 

0:29:02.760,0:29:08.220

it's like oh my God that moment when we

 

0:29:05.100,0:29:10.799

go to eye to eye it's like oh my

 

0:29:08.220,0:29:12.840

goodness man yeah I can't I mean you

 

0:29:10.799,0:29:15.059

know just imagine people

 

0:29:12.840,0:29:17.520

this exercise with a mountain lion that

 

0:29:15.059,0:29:18.840

you've called into your Fox Pro you you

 

0:29:17.520,0:29:20.760

were talking you were talking about

 

0:29:18.840,0:29:23.820

sounds like me it came to Mrs MC

 

0:29:20.760,0:29:26.279

Cottontail uh this box bro what what

 

0:29:23.820,0:29:28.200

sounds do you like to run when calling

 

0:29:26.279,0:29:30.120

for lines when you're targeting lines I

 

0:29:28.200,0:29:31.320

mean what type of sounds that you do you

 

0:29:30.120,0:29:33.539

throw in the mix

 

0:29:31.320,0:29:36.299

uh when I Target lines it's it's

 

0:29:33.539,0:29:39.539

completely opposite then blind calling

 

0:29:36.299,0:29:42.899

and when I Target Lions I I like to

 

0:29:39.539,0:29:46.559

start off when I get there I always sit

 

0:29:42.899,0:29:48.899

go Crystal quiet I'll set on that stand

 

0:29:46.559,0:29:52.020

for 10 minutes before I ever touch the

 

0:29:48.899,0:29:55.200

remote okay I let everything just go

 

0:29:52.020,0:29:57.720

quiet and just sit and uh

 

0:29:55.200,0:29:59.100

and then I like to start off with the

 

0:29:57.720,0:30:01.919

the whistle

 

0:29:59.100,0:30:04.440

and uh

 

0:30:01.919,0:30:07.260

the line whistle and that and that tells

 

0:30:04.440,0:30:09.659

a mountain lion that hey I'm here

 

0:30:07.260,0:30:10.799

I'm in the area there's somebody in your

 

0:30:09.659,0:30:15.299

area

 

0:30:10.799,0:30:17.640

and just to raise the Curiosity and then

 

0:30:15.299,0:30:20.220

a mountain lion first when you target

 

0:30:17.640,0:30:22.080

mountain lions generally speaking you're

 

0:30:20.220,0:30:26.279

looking at an hour plus

 

0:30:22.080,0:30:28.140

okay so it's a slow it's a it's either

 

0:30:26.279,0:30:30.600

going to happen two ways they're gonna

 

0:30:28.140,0:30:34.620

either explode in as soon as they hear

 

0:30:30.600,0:30:37.679

the whistle and you'll they when I say

 

0:30:34.620,0:30:40.559

they explode in I got an x2s I need I

 

0:30:37.679,0:30:45.200

need to send back to Foxpro because

 

0:30:40.559,0:30:49.200

he he mangled it really or or they come

 

0:30:45.200,0:30:52.020

they come in extremely slow yeah and

 

0:30:49.200,0:30:54.779

ninety percent of time it's the slow you

 

0:30:52.020,0:30:57.179

know you get the heart pump Thrill of

 

0:30:54.779,0:30:58.740

the one that runs at it but generally

 

0:30:57.179,0:31:00.480

speaking they come in slow they're

 

0:30:58.740,0:31:03.260

they're more Curious they don't they

 

0:31:00.480,0:31:05.940

just don't blast to it

 

0:31:03.260,0:31:08.700

you've had lines as soon as you start to

 

0:31:05.940,0:31:10.200

whistle just minutes into it explode

 

0:31:08.700,0:31:11.899

right in come running right to the call

 

0:31:10.200,0:31:15.299

and pretty much pounce it sounds like

 

0:31:11.899,0:31:17.520

well I spotted the outline on the

 

0:31:15.299,0:31:20.700

opposite Hillside I started to call they

 

0:31:17.520,0:31:22.620

didn't know there was one below me ah

 

0:31:20.700,0:31:26.460

and uh

 

0:31:22.620,0:31:29.100

just oh it was it was it happened in

 

0:31:26.460,0:31:32.460

less than three minutes and it was over

 

0:31:29.100,0:31:35.659

in 10 seconds it was it was incredible

 

0:31:32.460,0:31:38.700

and just exploded the call he jumped out

 

0:31:35.659,0:31:41.279

turned sideways after he hit the call

 

0:31:38.700,0:31:44.159

and was like what was that

 

0:31:41.279,0:31:47.520

and uh

 

0:31:44.159,0:31:49.080

I put a 22 Creedmoor

 

0:31:47.520,0:31:51.059

right behind the shoulder and that was

 

0:31:49.080,0:31:54.779

all that said so

 

0:31:51.059,0:31:56.279

but yeah I like to start with that uh

 

0:31:54.779,0:31:58.440

whistle

 

0:31:56.279,0:32:00.360

the whistle is just telling them I'm in

 

0:31:58.440,0:32:03.240

the country and then a little bit later

 

0:32:00.360,0:32:05.640

I'll do it again or

 

0:32:03.240,0:32:07.740

depending on what year or what time of

 

0:32:05.640,0:32:10.500

year it is if it's if it's early in the

 

0:32:07.740,0:32:13.559

year like this they still have uh Cubs

 

0:32:10.500,0:32:16.559

uh kind of floating behind them

 

0:32:13.559,0:32:19.440

so feeding them's pretty key so this

 

0:32:16.559,0:32:23.520

time of year I'll do uh Fonda stress

 

0:32:19.440,0:32:25.440

yeah and then uh just go quiet for again

 

0:32:23.520,0:32:27.360

for a long time again they're not real

 

0:32:25.440,0:32:29.580

fast and then

 

0:32:27.360,0:32:32.159

more fun distress

 

0:32:29.580,0:32:37.440

and then uh

 

0:32:32.159,0:32:42.500

what I'd like to do after that is uh

 

0:32:37.440,0:32:44.580

uh this is this will make a lion mad

 

0:32:42.500,0:32:48.899

hands down

 

0:32:44.580,0:32:54.480

play Angry Bobcat angry Bobcat yep

 

0:32:48.899,0:32:57.559

foxgros angry bobcat and holy smokes I

 

0:32:54.480,0:33:00.480

uh year before last I had two lions

 

0:32:57.559,0:33:02.640

absolutely they they just chalked up

 

0:33:00.480,0:33:06.240

they wouldn't they wouldn't uh come in

 

0:33:02.640,0:33:08.100

any farther and I was just trying to see

 

0:33:06.240,0:33:10.320

how I could

 

0:33:08.100,0:33:12.299

you know get him to move again I played

 

0:33:10.320,0:33:14.100

angry bobcat and I had him all the way

 

0:33:12.299,0:33:16.679

to the collar Within

 

0:33:14.100,0:33:19.620

a minute and they were hundreds of yards

 

0:33:16.679,0:33:21.240

away oh yeah so like I'm sprinting

 

0:33:19.620,0:33:25.019

yes sir

 

0:33:21.240,0:33:29.100

yes sir angry Bobcat was was huge for me

 

0:33:25.019,0:33:33.059

and uh and then the another sound that

 

0:33:29.100,0:33:35.039

really uh it's weird why it works but

 

0:33:33.059,0:33:38.940

you figure bobcat sounds weren't work

 

0:33:35.039,0:33:41.220

for Lions but with my x2s I uh I like to

 

0:33:38.940,0:33:45.000

play the uh

 

0:33:41.220,0:33:47.820

baby bobcat baby box bro yeah and then

 

0:33:45.000,0:33:50.700

I'll fuse it in again

 

0:33:47.820,0:33:52.799

and play it back to back and I'll tell

 

0:33:50.700,0:33:56.399

you what you if it's a if it's a female

 

0:33:52.799,0:33:58.860

lion she'll come run into the call So

 

0:33:56.399,0:34:03.120

when you say so you're saying you'll

 

0:33:58.860,0:34:07.019

Play You'll hit Fox fusion and hit baby

 

0:34:03.120,0:34:09.480

bobcats and then you'll double it up

 

0:34:07.019,0:34:11.700

you're playing baby bobcats

 

0:34:09.480,0:34:14.639

simultaneously on two different channels

 

0:34:11.700,0:34:15.659

yes sir I'll play it single first to see

 

0:34:14.639,0:34:17.879

if she

 

0:34:15.659,0:34:19.800

uh because a lot of times I see them you

 

0:34:17.879,0:34:22.859

know when I Target online I can see them

 

0:34:19.800,0:34:24.780

but uh a lot of times if they chalk up

 

0:34:22.859,0:34:27.899

and just don't want to come up I'll

 

0:34:24.780,0:34:30.540

either hit angry Bobcat or uh baby

 

0:34:27.899,0:34:32.460

bobcat and if I can't get her done

 

0:34:30.540,0:34:35.280

hinged

 

0:34:32.460,0:34:36.780

um I hit fusion and and put it in again

 

0:34:35.280,0:34:39.480

and

 

0:34:36.780,0:34:42.000

it works doubling up on a sound it's

 

0:34:39.480,0:34:44.520

that it is wild I never would have

 

0:34:42.000,0:34:47.639

dreamed playing bobcat vocalization

 

0:34:44.520,0:34:50.940

sounds for mountain lions that's yeah

 

0:34:47.639,0:34:54.240

crazy crazy so it is it is it just it's

 

0:34:50.940,0:34:56.700

really crazy but it works so you like uh

 

0:34:54.240,0:35:00.359

the mountain lion whistle sounds you

 

0:34:56.700,0:35:03.300

like uh various Fallen distresses and

 

0:35:00.359,0:35:05.339

yes sir and Bobcat vocalizations is uh

 

0:35:03.300,0:35:06.660

what any rabbit distresses I know you

 

0:35:05.339,0:35:08.400

mentioned earlier you called on in to

 

0:35:06.660,0:35:10.800

Mrs Cottontail do you ever run any

 

0:35:08.400,0:35:12.420

rabbit on your on your stands

 

0:35:10.800,0:35:15.480

absolutely

 

0:35:12.420,0:35:17.280

um yeah three years ago I killed one

 

0:35:15.480,0:35:21.420

with the uh

 

0:35:17.280,0:35:25.200

uh mfk's uh stew rabbit rabbit stew yep

 

0:35:21.420,0:35:26.880

and uh that that mountain lion it was a

 

0:35:25.200,0:35:30.060

younger mountain lion but it ran all the

 

0:35:26.880,0:35:33.660

way to the gulf really really I can't I

 

0:35:30.060,0:35:36.900

I dispatched it within 50 yards of me it

 

0:35:33.660,0:35:39.300

had no idea it was there it was solely

 

0:35:36.900,0:35:42.240

solely focused on that collar it had no

 

0:35:39.300,0:35:44.339

ideas in the country right right that's

 

0:35:42.240,0:35:47.339

and uh

 

0:35:44.339,0:35:49.440

it's uh it just you know when you when

 

0:35:47.339,0:35:51.000

you get within a certain proximity of

 

0:35:49.440,0:35:53.400

them

 

0:35:51.000,0:35:55.680

you they're they're Hunters they're

 

0:35:53.400,0:36:00.540

gonna defend what's close to them right

 

0:35:55.680,0:36:04.460

right well and then uh I've called one

 

0:36:00.540,0:36:04.460

other on You're gonna laugh

 

0:36:04.579,0:36:09.780

hey it doesn't surprise me I've called

 

0:36:07.140,0:36:12.000

red foxes to Coyote pup distresses

 

0:36:09.780,0:36:13.619

before like pup three big red fox like

 

0:36:12.000,0:36:16.079

what are you thinking

 

0:36:13.619,0:36:18.300

you know no I believe it I definitely

 

0:36:16.079,0:36:19.859

believe it it don't shock me a bit I've

 

0:36:18.300,0:36:22.619

actually

 

0:36:19.859,0:36:24.359

you know I think I've actually heard

 

0:36:22.619,0:36:26.099

stories before about people coyote

 

0:36:24.359,0:36:27.180

calling and running puppy sounds and

 

0:36:26.099,0:36:30.660

stuff and I've heard about mountain

 

0:36:27.180,0:36:32.339

lions coming in and uh I guess the one

 

0:36:30.660,0:36:33.720

that surprises me more just because I

 

0:36:32.339,0:36:35.460

never would have thought it is the

 

0:36:33.720,0:36:37.619

Bobcat vocalizations because you really

 

0:36:35.460,0:36:39.920

don't hear about anybody running Bobcat

 

0:36:37.619,0:36:43.380

vocalizations much anyway for anything

 

0:36:39.920,0:36:45.300

and it's just uh that that really piques

 

0:36:43.380,0:36:47.700

my interest right there is the bobcat

 

0:36:45.300,0:36:49.260

visualizations and uh you know you

 

0:36:47.700,0:36:51.780

talked about we've talked about the

 

0:36:49.260,0:36:54.480

sounds that you like to run there

 

0:36:51.780,0:36:56.940

um what what does a calling sequence

 

0:36:54.480,0:36:58.260

look like for you when you are calling

 

0:36:56.940,0:37:01.920

for mountain lions whether you've got

 

0:36:58.260,0:37:04.020

one spotted and you're moving in or just

 

0:37:01.920,0:37:06.119

say that you know there's a cat a line

 

0:37:04.020,0:37:08.880

in the area and you're just going in and

 

0:37:06.119,0:37:10.680

making you know making blind stands just

 

0:37:08.880,0:37:12.420

trying to lure that out what does your

 

0:37:10.680,0:37:14.460

sequence look like from start to finish

 

0:37:12.420,0:37:16.560

you know uh I know you said you'd like

 

0:37:14.460,0:37:19.320

to make pretty much an hour long stand

 

0:37:16.560,0:37:21.240

but tell us about the first first hand

 

0:37:19.320,0:37:23.040

you're playing how long are you going to

 

0:37:21.240,0:37:24.180

play it all that type of stuff and all

 

0:37:23.040,0:37:27.180

the way through

 

0:37:24.180,0:37:29.160

so the the first stand typical typical

 

0:37:27.180,0:37:32.160

lion stand first time I'm always going

 

0:37:29.160,0:37:33.599

to play is the whistle I just again let

 

0:37:32.160,0:37:37.079

them know I'm there

 

0:37:33.599,0:37:40.380

and I'm not I'm not confrontational I'm

 

0:37:37.079,0:37:43.140

not aggressive I'm just there and so

 

0:37:40.380,0:37:45.780

that helps a lot and so that sequence

 

0:37:43.140,0:37:47.940

there I'm gonna play it

 

0:37:45.780,0:37:51.540

with lands you you gotta volume up a

 

0:37:47.940,0:37:53.280

little bit so I don't I've tried you

 

0:37:51.540,0:37:55.380

know playing quieter like your your

 

0:37:53.280,0:37:57.900

typical coyote sequence you know not too

 

0:37:55.380,0:38:01.440

aggressive but with lions it seems like

 

0:37:57.900,0:38:05.760

with the x24 and the x2s I'm always in

 

0:38:01.440,0:38:07.380

that 25 27 to 30 range okay so three and

 

0:38:05.760,0:38:11.579

uh two thirds you know two-thirds volume

 

0:38:07.380,0:38:14.700

or three quarter volume yeah yes sir and

 

0:38:11.579,0:38:18.900

a little less on the x24 because quite a

 

0:38:14.700,0:38:21.780

bit yes sir so but then I'll run about

 

0:38:18.900,0:38:23.640

three to four minutes and then I like to

 

0:38:21.780,0:38:25.859

set for almost 10 minutes

 

0:38:23.640,0:38:29.099

and then I'll do that whistle again for

 

0:38:25.859,0:38:30.420

that same four minutes yep so just and

 

0:38:29.099,0:38:31.920

then so when you're saying you're hit

 

0:38:30.420,0:38:33.300

like so for that first three or four

 

0:38:31.920,0:38:35.700

minutes you're playing that whistle

 

0:38:33.300,0:38:37.440

constant and then you'll just pause it

 

0:38:35.700,0:38:41.339

and wait for ten and then run another

 

0:38:37.440,0:38:43.859

series of uh Mountain line whistles yes

 

0:38:41.339,0:38:46.560

sir and that just that first whistle

 

0:38:43.859,0:38:50.460

sequence is is

 

0:38:46.560,0:38:51.839

High 20 30 minute Mark okay and then I

 

0:38:50.460,0:38:54.900

start moving just a little more

 

0:38:51.839,0:38:59.880

aggressive so then uh

 

0:38:54.900,0:39:02.339

I'll put in a fond of stress and uh

 

0:38:59.880,0:39:05.040

I'll go again I don't know why I use

 

0:39:02.339,0:39:06.960

four minutes but I just that's just my

 

0:39:05.040,0:39:08.880

thing I like to go that four minute Mark

 

0:39:06.960,0:39:11.400

fond of stress and then I'll shut it off

 

0:39:08.880,0:39:14.400

but I only wait like four to five

 

0:39:11.400,0:39:16.800

minutes you know I shorten it up quite a

 

0:39:14.400,0:39:19.320

bit then and then I'll hit it again

 

0:39:16.800,0:39:21.180

because now I want it I want them to

 

0:39:19.320,0:39:27.300

know that now I'm going to steal their

 

0:39:21.180,0:39:28.800

food right and so at that at that point

 

0:39:27.300,0:39:30.540

um

 

0:39:28.800,0:39:33.660

if they're not there

 

0:39:30.540,0:39:36.180

I love my sequence then after that four

 

0:39:33.660,0:39:38.820

or five minute break after I play the

 

0:39:36.180,0:39:41.760

two sequences of that Fawn distress

 

0:39:38.820,0:39:44.099

and wait that four minutes I'll play uh

 

0:39:41.760,0:39:45.500

Angry bobcat

 

0:39:44.099,0:39:48.660

and

 

0:39:45.500,0:39:51.180

that's usually the closer for me I don't

 

0:39:48.660,0:39:53.339

know why it just it's always been a a

 

0:39:51.180,0:39:57.660

huge a great hit for me

 

0:39:53.339,0:40:00.240

and then recently I found that that uh

 

0:39:57.660,0:40:02.160

uh actually it was a buddy of mine it

 

0:40:00.240,0:40:05.460

you know I didn't find out a buddy said

 

0:40:02.160,0:40:08.099

hey play this try it and I did and it

 

0:40:05.460,0:40:11.820

worked phenomenal the the band uh baby

 

0:40:08.099,0:40:14.460

Bobcats or the baby baby bobcats so I

 

0:40:11.820,0:40:17.400

hit that on the last line I hit the

 

0:40:14.460,0:40:20.640

angry Bobcats it it didn't work and then

 

0:40:17.400,0:40:23.400

I played that for two sequences you know

 

0:40:20.640,0:40:25.980

you know angry Bobcats for four minutes

 

0:40:23.400,0:40:28.260

I paused like two to three in that I

 

0:40:25.980,0:40:29.640

shortened it way up hit angry Bobcats

 

0:40:28.260,0:40:33.420

for two to three

 

0:40:29.640,0:40:37.859

and then I just let the uh baby Bobcats

 

0:40:33.420,0:40:40.560

play play out from there and then it

 

0:40:37.859,0:40:43.260

didn't unchalk them so on the last line

 

0:40:40.560,0:40:46.079

so I fused it in again to make to make

 

0:40:43.260,0:40:48.599

her or make that line I could see it it

 

0:40:46.079,0:40:52.440

was a female so I fused in another one

 

0:40:48.599,0:40:54.560

that baby bobcat and that was all she

 

0:40:52.440,0:40:59.460

wrote she came running

 

0:40:54.560,0:41:02.579

and uh it's amazing right so so your

 

0:40:59.460,0:41:05.280

typical lion stand is always it's always

 

0:41:02.579,0:41:06.060

long you you just plan to be there for

 

0:41:05.280,0:41:09.540

an hour

 

0:41:06.060,0:41:11.400

sometimes it you know like I said you it

 

0:41:09.540,0:41:13.740

just

 

0:41:11.400,0:41:16.079

it's weird I didn't know one was there

 

0:41:13.740,0:41:19.079

sometimes it happens right within

 

0:41:16.079,0:41:21.060

seconds but so pretty much why the

 

0:41:19.079,0:41:23.160

sequence looks it's an hour-long stand

 

0:41:21.060,0:41:24.960

you start out with your mountain lion

 

0:41:23.160,0:41:27.300

with whistles and breaks all the way up

 

0:41:24.960,0:41:29.339

to you like you know you're spending 30

 

0:41:27.300,0:41:31.560

minutes 20 30 minutes on that yeah and

 

0:41:29.339,0:41:33.359

then you're going to your fond of stress

 

0:41:31.560,0:41:36.240

and having a couple breaks in there and

 

0:41:33.359,0:41:40.280

then finishing out with Bobcat vocals

 

0:41:36.240,0:41:42.720

yes sir man I can't you know I might

 

0:41:40.280,0:41:44.520

it's possible that I'll be in line

 

0:41:42.720,0:41:47.040

country in September

 

0:41:44.520,0:41:49.020

and if we go do it I'm I'm definitely

 

0:41:47.040,0:41:50.940

going to have a line tag in my pocket

 

0:41:49.020,0:41:52.560

and I'm stealing I'm just going to tell

 

0:41:50.940,0:41:55.040

you right now Stacy I'm still in your

 

0:41:52.560,0:41:57.540

sequence I'm playing

 

0:41:55.040,0:42:00.060

it's funny because I I stole one of

 

0:41:57.540,0:42:03.599

yours right more than welcome to it

 

0:42:00.060,0:42:05.460

buddy last year you did that breeding

 

0:42:03.599,0:42:07.140

sequence and I played a lot of them and

 

0:42:05.460,0:42:10.020

I was like you know I'm gonna I'm gonna

 

0:42:07.140,0:42:12.000

put that in my collar and try it and it

 

0:42:10.020,0:42:14.160

was money awesome money money that's

 

0:42:12.000,0:42:16.260

good I'm glad that I was able to help

 

0:42:14.160,0:42:19.380

you kill a extra coyote or two at the

 

0:42:16.260,0:42:24.200

end of the year that was six coyotes and

 

0:42:19.380,0:42:24.200

I killed four of the six nice nice

 

0:42:24.240,0:42:29.040

but uh yeah that's that's that's my

 

0:42:26.820,0:42:31.260

lying sequence and uh

 

0:42:29.040,0:42:32.760

like I said it's it's been successful

 

0:42:31.260,0:42:34.920

for me and

 

0:42:32.760,0:42:37.619

I just uh

 

0:42:34.920,0:42:40.980

I love to use it I love to use it let me

 

0:42:37.619,0:42:43.020

ask you this if if you're you got a line

 

0:42:40.980,0:42:44.280

targeted and you moved in you started

 

0:42:43.020,0:42:46.380

calling

 

0:42:44.280,0:42:48.240

what happens if a coyote runs up because

 

0:42:46.380,0:42:50.099

you know they'll come to they'll come to

 

0:42:48.240,0:42:52.500

fondestry it's quite a bit well if a

 

0:42:50.099,0:42:53.880

coyote runs up you it gets a pass so you

 

0:42:52.500,0:42:57.000

mowing it down

 

0:42:53.880,0:43:00.240

well it depends that strictly depends on

 

0:42:57.000,0:43:03.180

why I'm there if if I had a call from a

 

0:43:00.240,0:43:06.180

Rancher saying hey I'm there for a lion

 

0:43:03.180,0:43:08.520

then the coyote gets a pass okay we're

 

0:43:06.180,0:43:13.260

gonna we'll have a date another day yeah

 

0:43:08.520,0:43:15.720

and then uh but uh if I'm out just

 

0:43:13.260,0:43:17.880

prayer control while I'm there

 

0:43:15.720,0:43:19.680

yeah the Kyle's not leaving what about

 

0:43:17.880,0:43:22.079

pleasure hunting you just went out to

 

0:43:19.680,0:43:24.540

the high desert or wherever and down in

 

0:43:22.079,0:43:27.300

that country and and uh you're just

 

0:43:24.540,0:43:29.880

calling for fun but you've spotted a

 

0:43:27.300,0:43:32.160

mountain lion and uh you get to call and

 

0:43:29.880,0:43:33.960

trying to lure it in and uh you know say

 

0:43:32.160,0:43:37.380

a pair of coyotes around here

 

0:43:33.960,0:43:40.440

well I uh I'll let them have a pass I

 

0:43:37.380,0:43:42.060

that lion for me you know that right now

 

0:43:40.440,0:43:44.579

right

 

0:43:42.060,0:43:47.880

so many so many people don't know that

 

0:43:44.579,0:43:51.780

uh online targets uh buck deer yeah oh

 

0:43:47.880,0:43:54.119

yeah um because a buck deer it's mean to

 

0:43:51.780,0:43:55.740

say this but it's true a buck deer turns

 

0:43:54.119,0:43:57.540

to fight they're not smart enough just

 

0:43:55.740,0:43:59.280

to flee and keep going I want to use

 

0:43:57.540,0:44:01.380

them

 

0:43:59.280,0:44:03.540

yes sir a mountain lion I'll Target back

 

0:44:01.380,0:44:04.800

there every time because they know they

 

0:44:03.540,0:44:08.300

have a chance because they'll turn to

 

0:44:04.800,0:44:11.579

sight especially bigger mature uh bucks

 

0:44:08.300,0:44:14.339

and so when I'm out tell your hunting I

 

0:44:11.579,0:44:15.660

typically uh I always have tags in my

 

0:44:14.339,0:44:18.180

pocket and that's what people don't

 

0:44:15.660,0:44:20.099

understand they're cheap they're 35 you

 

0:44:18.180,0:44:23.480

know in Arizona they're 35 dollars for

 

0:44:20.099,0:44:27.359

two yeah yeah yep yep no

 

0:44:23.480,0:44:29.099

Arizona yeah they're 35 for one and then

 

0:44:27.359,0:44:31.500

you know you can go to game and fish and

 

0:44:29.099,0:44:33.839

depending on their needs it could

 

0:44:31.500,0:44:36.060

probably issue another one man I give 35

 

0:44:33.839,0:44:38.880

bucks for a chance at a mountain lion I

 

0:44:36.060,0:44:40.560

mean there's got to be no worse feeling

 

0:44:38.880,0:44:43.319

in the world of you being a mountain

 

0:44:40.560,0:44:46.200

lion country and it's in season

 

0:44:43.319,0:44:48.240

and you call a line up right over top of

 

0:44:46.200,0:44:49.319

you Foxpro and you don't have a tag in

 

0:44:48.240,0:44:52.500

your pocket

 

0:44:49.319,0:44:54.240

yes sir man I oh my goodness I would

 

0:44:52.500,0:44:56.780

burst into tears

 

0:44:54.240,0:44:59.339

it's it's

 

0:44:56.780,0:45:03.720

disheartening I tell you I stopped doing

 

0:44:59.339,0:45:08.280

that years ago and and every July I I

 

0:45:03.720,0:45:10.020

redo my tags yes all of them yes yes no

 

0:45:08.280,0:45:12.420

doubt now like I said we're going to be

 

0:45:10.020,0:45:14.780

we haven't finalized it yet but it's

 

0:45:12.420,0:45:17.760

possible we'll be in uh in the Northwest

 

0:45:14.780,0:45:20.640

uh doing some predator hunting in

 

0:45:17.760,0:45:23.640

September great Black Bear Country a lot

 

0:45:20.640,0:45:25.560

of coyotes and there is lines around uh

 

0:45:23.640,0:45:28.079

oh yeah actually the only line I've ever

 

0:45:25.560,0:45:31.619

seen in the wild was up in this area and

 

0:45:28.079,0:45:33.240

uh I did have a tag and I did have an

 

0:45:31.619,0:45:36.540

opportunity and we'll pretty much just

 

0:45:33.240,0:45:40.200

leave it as Ted I did not uh I did not

 

0:45:36.540,0:45:42.900

capitalize I should have and I you know

 

0:45:40.200,0:45:45.240

it has haunted me it is haunted me for

 

0:45:42.900,0:45:47.339

years and it's just one of those deals

 

0:45:45.240,0:45:50.040

hopefully one of these days I will feel

 

0:45:47.339,0:45:51.780

a mountain lion tag that's come right to

 

0:45:50.040,0:45:54.300

the fox bro

 

0:45:51.780,0:45:55.680

well yeah a lot of you know I wish a lot

 

0:45:54.300,0:45:58.319

of people would feel that way because

 

0:45:55.680,0:46:00.900

you know a lion they kill

 

0:45:58.319,0:46:02.700

a lot of deer a year and you know I'm

 

0:46:00.900,0:46:04.200

not saying coyotes aren't important but

 

0:46:02.700,0:46:05.700

if you have an opportunity and a

 

0:46:04.200,0:46:08.220

mountain lion especially if they're

 

0:46:05.700,0:46:11.160

they're pretty dense in an area yep

 

0:46:08.220,0:46:13.500

carry that tag and and I'm going to tell

 

0:46:11.160,0:46:17.819

you what it's one of the most rewarding

 

0:46:13.500,0:46:19.319

experiences you can you can have and

 

0:46:17.819,0:46:24.180

it's it's

 

0:46:19.319,0:46:26.640

and the height is incredible some people

 

0:46:24.180,0:46:28.740

say they like to eat them but I don't

 

0:46:26.640,0:46:31.560

know about that but oh yeah I've had

 

0:46:28.740,0:46:33.420

I've made several Bobcats so if I kill a

 

0:46:31.560,0:46:34.920

mountain lion he's gonna we're gonna

 

0:46:33.420,0:46:36.660

have a meal or two that's for sure

 

0:46:34.920,0:46:38.280

that's for sure now they're they're such

 

0:46:36.660,0:46:40.200

an impressive animal they just really

 

0:46:38.280,0:46:44.099

are they're very cool

 

0:46:40.200,0:46:46.680

and in our country it's their King and

 

0:46:44.099,0:46:48.720

it's it's incredible to watch I just

 

0:46:46.680,0:46:50.220

love it because you know that 10 minutes

 

0:46:48.720,0:46:51.660

before I start that stand I let

 

0:46:50.220,0:46:54.420

everything get quiet

 

0:46:51.660,0:46:56.339

you can learn so much by just watching

 

0:46:54.420,0:46:58.740

them and

 

0:46:56.339,0:47:01.680

you know if there's two how they

 

0:46:58.740,0:47:03.839

interact and it's incredible it's the

 

0:47:01.680,0:47:06.180

most rewarding thing I think I've I've

 

0:47:03.839,0:47:08.220

had in quite a while

 

0:47:06.180,0:47:11.099

well let me ask you this what if what

 

0:47:08.220,0:47:12.000

about if you if you spot a line he's

 

0:47:11.099,0:47:13.680

coming

 

0:47:12.000,0:47:15.599

what do you do with your call you if

 

0:47:13.680,0:47:17.339

you're playing a uh to say if you're

 

0:47:15.599,0:47:19.500

playing any kind of sound you keep it

 

0:47:17.339,0:47:24.180

running you pause it I mean what are you

 

0:47:19.500,0:47:28.440

doing I do and but it it that question

 

0:47:24.180,0:47:30.420

depends on yardage because uh if he

 

0:47:28.440,0:47:34.200

hasn't seen the call

 

0:47:30.420,0:47:37.140

uh I let it go and when I when he gets

 

0:47:34.200,0:47:38.880

within yards that I think I I can make a

 

0:47:37.140,0:47:41.400

safe ethical shot

 

0:47:38.880,0:47:43.920

I shut it off because then he's going to

 

0:47:41.400,0:47:45.960

come up and check just check up and

 

0:47:43.920,0:47:48.900

he'll you'll seem just

 

0:47:45.960,0:47:51.420

stop and look just to make sure he's I

 

0:47:48.900,0:47:53.400

Kyle can pretty much pinpoint a call

 

0:47:51.420,0:47:55.680

miles away right

 

0:47:53.400,0:47:58.079

but a mountain lion doesn't seem to do

 

0:47:55.680,0:48:01.079

that they know the area and they get

 

0:47:58.079,0:48:03.900

within a really close proximity but

 

0:48:01.079,0:48:06.180

they'll check up and look for it and

 

0:48:03.900,0:48:08.579

that's where you get your your good

 

0:48:06.180,0:48:10.200

shots right so you're gonna if you spot

 

0:48:08.579,0:48:12.060

a mountain lion coming you're gonna keep

 

0:48:10.200,0:48:15.060

your car rolling until he gets up here

 

0:48:12.060,0:48:17.160

we're ready to shoot what about if you

 

0:48:15.060,0:48:20.280

if you spot a line kind of making his

 

0:48:17.160,0:48:22.200

way to you when your call is paused will

 

0:48:20.280,0:48:24.480

you start some sound up to direct him on

 

0:48:22.200,0:48:27.240

in or just kind of watch and see what he

 

0:48:24.480,0:48:29.400

does or well I'll watch and see what he

 

0:48:27.240,0:48:32.040

does if he just keeps rolling less is

 

0:48:29.400,0:48:34.920

more right yes yes great yeah because

 

0:48:32.040,0:48:37.680

you you I get you know Kyle's the same

 

0:48:34.920,0:48:40.500

way less is more if he's coming just let

 

0:48:37.680,0:48:43.260

him come just keep keep going but it

 

0:48:40.500,0:48:47.700

just if he checks up and

 

0:48:43.260,0:48:50.940

for whatever reasons I my go-to for cats

 

0:48:47.700,0:48:54.180

coyotes is Vol squeaks it or uh prairie

 

0:48:50.940,0:48:56.040

dog distress yeah it's it's amazing for

 

0:48:54.180,0:48:57.660

for unchecking animals and getting them

 

0:48:56.040,0:49:00.060

to move a little bit more

 

0:48:57.660,0:49:02.579

awesome good stuff I got one more

 

0:49:00.060,0:49:04.500

question for you uh with the mountain

 

0:49:02.579,0:49:06.540

lion Colin what is there any specific

 

0:49:04.500,0:49:09.240

time of year that you like better for

 

0:49:06.540,0:49:11.160

calling lines versus others

 

0:49:09.240,0:49:12.240

well it seems for me

 

0:49:11.160,0:49:15.660

um

 

0:49:12.240,0:49:18.300

uh that October November

 

0:49:15.660,0:49:21.720

because uh

 

0:49:18.300,0:49:24.660

the Young Lions are out on their own now

 

0:49:21.720,0:49:25.680

um they're hunting they're they're eager

 

0:49:24.660,0:49:28.859

to come

 

0:49:25.680,0:49:32.520

and um but yet the adults are still

 

0:49:28.859,0:49:36.119

protective right right yep so that's

 

0:49:32.520,0:49:40.140

where the that uh Angry Bobcat comes in

 

0:49:36.119,0:49:42.619

and so you get a I like that initial

 

0:49:40.140,0:49:46.140

cold spell because everything's moving

 

0:49:42.619,0:49:49.020

everything's moving and uh

 

0:49:46.140,0:49:51.359

yeah there's it's that time of year is

 

0:49:49.020,0:49:53.040

just for even for coyotes it's just

 

0:49:51.359,0:49:55.859

amazing

 

0:49:53.040,0:49:58.440

awesome so that's your favorite time of

 

0:49:55.859,0:50:00.060

year for say coyote Colin too I mean you

 

0:49:58.440,0:50:03.000

prefer any time of year for coyote

 

0:50:00.060,0:50:06.060

calling or I mean you're doing it 365

 

0:50:03.000,0:50:09.780

days pretty much but watch your favorite

 

0:50:06.060,0:50:13.079

if it's I have a favorite

 

0:50:09.780,0:50:15.900

but it depends on the you know uh that

 

0:50:13.079,0:50:17.819

October November when the pups are

 

0:50:15.900,0:50:19.020

hungry they're starting to you know

 

0:50:17.819,0:50:21.060

because

 

0:50:19.020,0:50:23.760

right now the pups are trailing behind

 

0:50:21.060,0:50:25.740

Mom and Dad they've left the Dan uh just

 

0:50:23.760,0:50:27.960

the other night I've seen you know watch

 

0:50:25.740,0:50:30.000

two coyotes on a hillside with four pups

 

0:50:27.960,0:50:31.680

traveling behind so

 

0:50:30.000,0:50:34.140

they're out of the den they're moving

 

0:50:31.680,0:50:37.440

they're teaching them hot

 

0:50:34.140,0:50:39.180

but that October November when they're

 

0:50:37.440,0:50:41.819

out on their own

 

0:50:39.180,0:50:44.579

in September they're out on their own

 

0:50:41.819,0:50:46.079

but yet they're really reluctant to come

 

0:50:44.579,0:50:50.180

to a call because they're afraid to get

 

0:50:46.079,0:50:51.859

whipped right yep and so that October

 

0:50:50.180,0:50:54.960

November

 

0:50:51.859,0:50:57.720

they're hungry they

 

0:50:54.960,0:50:59.819

they are that it's like they check out

 

0:50:57.720,0:51:01.619

all all sense of fear and they come to

 

0:50:59.819,0:51:06.180

the call so that they grow up pretty

 

0:51:01.619,0:51:08.460

quick just a few weeks time yes sir and

 

0:51:06.180,0:51:11.040

then my I have two favorites it's

 

0:51:08.460,0:51:15.420

October November for the initial you

 

0:51:11.040,0:51:18.599

know the uh dispersion migration yep and

 

0:51:15.420,0:51:22.020

you you really can capitalize on on a

 

0:51:18.599,0:51:25.740

lot of uh coyotes outweigh but then my

 

0:51:22.020,0:51:28.440

favorite I love to vocalize I

 

0:51:25.740,0:51:31.380

since I started prayer control I have

 

0:51:28.440,0:51:34.079

found a passion for vocalization and

 

0:51:31.380,0:51:37.200

it's that January February time frame

 

0:51:34.079,0:51:39.960

late December January February to where

 

0:51:37.200,0:51:43.200

you you don't have to play a lot of

 

0:51:39.960,0:51:45.359

sounds the howls and your uh

 

0:51:43.200,0:51:46.319

you know your mating calls stuff like

 

0:51:45.359,0:51:51.059

that

 

0:51:46.319,0:51:52.440

they just it they come yep yep no I I

 

0:51:51.059,0:51:55.020

like all those times of the year myself

 

0:51:52.440,0:51:56.819

I mean you know pretty much spot on with

 

0:51:55.020,0:51:59.180

you I do like some of the summer months

 

0:51:56.819,0:52:02.760

you know if you can handle the heat and

 

0:51:59.180,0:52:04.740

bugs and snakes you know we were good

 

0:52:02.760,0:52:07.020

grief we were in Montana there just a

 

0:52:04.740,0:52:10.440

couple weeks ago hunting with uh Levi

 

0:52:07.020,0:52:13.260

Levi Johnson and speaking of snakes he

 

0:52:10.440,0:52:15.359

sat down up against uh sage bush and I

 

0:52:13.260,0:52:17.579

hear this buzzing noise

 

0:52:15.359,0:52:19.619

and I'm like you know that's

 

0:52:17.579,0:52:21.720

unmistakable for me I've been around a

 

0:52:19.619,0:52:23.339

lot of you know a lot of rattlers and uh

 

0:52:21.720,0:52:24.839

I turn around and look look at the

 

0:52:23.339,0:52:26.220

camera guy the sound wasn't coming from

 

0:52:24.839,0:52:27.960

his area and I turned on over my other

 

0:52:26.220,0:52:30.180

shoulder and it was coming right from

 

0:52:27.960,0:52:31.440

where Levi was at and I was like Levi's

 

0:52:30.180,0:52:32.940

and you got a snake on you there

 

0:52:31.440,0:52:34.619

somewhere he's like I don't see no snake

 

0:52:32.940,0:52:36.960

I said you don't hear it he goes oh

 

0:52:34.619,0:52:38.660

that's a grasshopper buzzing that ain't

 

0:52:36.960,0:52:41.339

no Grasshopper

 

0:52:38.660,0:52:43.619

And His Dog he's got one of his dogs

 

0:52:41.339,0:52:47.280

there and it's like six inches from this

 

0:52:43.619,0:52:50.700

cold up Rattler just ready to strike and

 

0:52:47.280,0:52:52.559

and Levi's like 12 16 inches from it

 

0:52:50.700,0:52:54.599

they're in the he's it's in the sage

 

0:52:52.559,0:52:55.980

bush he's sitting up against like that

 

0:52:54.599,0:52:57.660

scared me to death I ain't much on

 

0:52:55.980,0:53:00.599

snakes anyway but

 

0:52:57.660,0:53:02.220

if you can handle it if you can you know

 

0:53:00.599,0:53:04.140

Wade through the snakes and stuff you

 

0:53:02.220,0:53:05.460

can have some pretty Dynamic uh call in

 

0:53:04.140,0:53:08.099

some great hunting through the through

 

0:53:05.460,0:53:10.859

the summer months for sure oh yeah for

 

0:53:08.099,0:53:12.359

sure uh and you're right about the the

 

0:53:10.859,0:53:16.020

snakes it's just

 

0:53:12.359,0:53:18.559

because I night hunt oh I've killed just

 

0:53:16.020,0:53:22.200

lately the rattlesnakes are out thick

 

0:53:18.559,0:53:24.480

good grief and

 

0:53:22.200,0:53:26.579

yeah I carry a good first aid kit that's

 

0:53:24.480,0:53:27.260

for sure yeah you better you better for

 

0:53:26.579,0:53:29.760

sure

 

0:53:27.260,0:53:31.619

but yeah that we're starting to wind

 

0:53:29.760,0:53:33.480

down here with time actually getting

 

0:53:31.619,0:53:36.300

we've been man we've been on here for

 

0:53:33.480,0:53:37.980

almost an hour I guess time flies when

 

0:53:36.300,0:53:39.300

you're talking about some fun subjects I

 

0:53:37.980,0:53:41.220

got I got like three or four questions

 

0:53:39.300,0:53:43.079

here just some quick good stuff I'd like

 

0:53:41.220,0:53:44.819

to ask you I ask a lot of people this

 

0:53:43.079,0:53:47.520

stuff at the end

 

0:53:44.819,0:53:49.559

um watch you what's your favorite uh

 

0:53:47.520,0:53:51.119

rifle caliber for say coyotes what's

 

0:53:49.559,0:53:53.099

your favorite cattle why are you running

 

0:53:51.119,0:53:56.520

um

 

0:53:53.099,0:53:59.819

I have two and just honestly speaking

 

0:53:56.520,0:54:03.780

because I did I actually use both

 

0:53:59.819,0:54:06.059

um 22 Creedmoor is my all-time favorite

 

0:54:03.780,0:54:08.760

and I do run two calibers depending on

 

0:54:06.059,0:54:10.980

the year through the monsoons the grass

 

0:54:08.760,0:54:14.940

is real deep and so in that 22 caliber

 

0:54:10.980,0:54:18.000

uh or 22 Creed I run a 75 grain V-Max

 

0:54:14.940,0:54:21.300

warranty V-Max and it gets through the

 

0:54:18.000,0:54:24.359

grass incredibly but once the grass goes

 

0:54:21.300,0:54:28.559

down the winter months I run the uh 60

 

0:54:24.359,0:54:30.420

uh tmks okay because the 22 Creedmoor

 

0:54:28.559,0:54:32.460

for me night hunting

 

0:54:30.420,0:54:35.640

you can uh

 

0:54:32.460,0:54:39.300

300 yard coyote hold that on that 60

 

0:54:35.640,0:54:44.280

grain bullet I'm running at 39.70 that's

 

0:54:39.300,0:54:46.980

smoking it is moving and so uh

 

0:54:44.280,0:54:50.760

even 400 yards I'm only holding top of

 

0:54:46.980,0:54:53.520

back yep yep and so that holding on hair

 

0:54:50.760,0:54:57.180

of a coyote from yeah close range all

 

0:54:53.520,0:54:59.339

the way out yes sir and then I don't

 

0:54:57.180,0:55:02.160

know why but I've settled in

 

0:54:59.339,0:55:05.040

to the sixth Creedmoor and both of my

 

0:55:02.160,0:55:08.280

both of my rifles are the Ruger American

 

0:55:05.040,0:55:11.520

predator yep and the sixth grade one and

 

0:55:08.280,0:55:13.859

that by far if you ever see me in a

 

0:55:11.520,0:55:15.059

contest or day hunting I'm holding my

 

0:55:13.859,0:55:17.520

sixth grade month

 

0:55:15.059,0:55:20.280

I don't know why I have so much

 

0:55:17.520,0:55:23.099

confidence it just anchors and when I

 

0:55:20.280,0:55:24.119

mean it anchors it just knocks them to

 

0:55:23.099,0:55:26.460

the ground

 

0:55:24.119,0:55:28.500

that's good stuff what about for does it

 

0:55:26.460,0:55:29.700

anything change if you're targeting a

 

0:55:28.500,0:55:34.980

mountain lion

 

0:55:29.700,0:55:38.880

no no no I those uh the 60

 

0:55:34.980,0:55:41.579

I it will absolutely anchor a line hands

 

0:55:38.880,0:55:43.200

down easy so you'll take the 22 Creed or

 

0:55:41.579,0:55:44.940

the six Creed just whichever one you can

 

0:55:43.200,0:55:47.359

get your hands on quickest if you got a

 

0:55:44.940,0:55:50.940

line spotted yes sir

 

0:55:47.359,0:55:52.980

absolutely absolutely that uh

 

0:55:50.940,0:55:54.720

that's why that Creedmoor you know

 

0:55:52.980,0:55:56.160

that's you know the discussions we had

 

0:55:54.720,0:55:59.520

earlier

 

0:55:56.160,0:56:03.540

you quickly find out what

 

0:55:59.520,0:56:07.140

the odds are of a successful shot kill

 

0:56:03.540,0:56:09.839

quick it's we've all tried a lot of

 

0:56:07.140,0:56:12.059

calibers and you just keep going back to

 

0:56:09.839,0:56:13.680

what works that's exactly right and I

 

0:56:12.059,0:56:17.460

mean you've had conversations in the

 

0:56:13.680,0:56:19.319

past on a 22 crew kind of traded uh load

 

0:56:17.460,0:56:21.960

recipes bullets would like and that type

 

0:56:19.319,0:56:23.640

of stuff yeah you can yes if it's got

 

0:56:21.960,0:56:25.140

Creedmoor with it you really can't beat

 

0:56:23.640,0:56:28.200

it I mean the six five that's a great

 

0:56:25.140,0:56:29.280

two Sixers are awesome if you wanna I

 

0:56:28.200,0:56:32.640

want to do a little work you can have

 

0:56:29.280,0:56:36.359

your 22 setup and uh 22 crew he's just

 

0:56:32.640,0:56:38.099

it's just amazing it's amazing our next

 

0:56:36.359,0:56:39.300

question here and I think you've already

 

0:56:38.099,0:56:41.520

answered it but I'm going to ask again

 

0:56:39.300,0:56:44.640

anyway what's your favorite Foxpro unit

 

0:56:41.520,0:56:47.760

that you're what units you run right now

 

0:56:44.640,0:56:49.859

uh x24 it's

 

0:56:47.760,0:56:53.940

I'm not saying that just because I'm

 

0:56:49.859,0:56:56.880

with Foxpro but as for sound quality and

 

0:56:53.940,0:56:59.700

no matter what win condition I can push

 

0:56:56.880,0:57:00.920

through it period hands down you know I

 

0:56:59.700,0:57:04.079

had the

 

0:57:00.920,0:57:08.280

cs24 the fx5

 

0:57:04.079,0:57:09.900

I've had a lot of calls and hands down

 

0:57:08.280,0:57:15.780

my favorite

 

0:57:09.900,0:57:18.180

is the x24 It Is by it just when I have

 

0:57:15.780,0:57:20.760

to call a coyote there's only one call

 

0:57:18.180,0:57:22.680

I'm pulling out of my truck right it's

 

0:57:20.760,0:57:25.680

just just the sound quality that they

 

0:57:22.680,0:57:28.559

put into that is just absolutely

 

0:57:25.680,0:57:30.720

for me I'm parallel it's awesome that's

 

0:57:28.559,0:57:33.119

definitely uh definitely a special unit

 

0:57:30.720,0:57:36.420

that's for sure well what about to watch

 

0:57:33.119,0:57:38.579

your three top favorite sounds if Mike

 

0:57:36.420,0:57:41.579

Dylan was holler at you said yeah

 

0:57:38.579,0:57:44.280

heard you a new x-24 throw your other

 

0:57:41.579,0:57:46.079

calls away but this x24 I'm sending you

 

0:57:44.280,0:57:48.960

is only one had three sounds on it you

 

0:57:46.079,0:57:51.240

pick it for you to do your professional

 

0:57:48.960,0:57:53.880

work out there with Predator control

 

0:57:51.240,0:57:56.160

what three sounds is Stacy Morris half

 

0:57:53.880,0:57:59.000

to half for success

 

0:57:56.160,0:57:59.000

it's true

 

0:57:59.960,0:58:06.119

Miss MC Cottontail

 

0:58:02.700,0:58:09.660

and come here Lonely by mfk so you've

 

0:58:06.119,0:58:12.900

got two good house and a rabbit yep

 

0:58:09.660,0:58:16.020

yep I like it yes sir I like it I I

 

0:58:12.900,0:58:19.559

killed more coyotes just sitting on a

 

0:58:16.020,0:58:22.559

stand and just doing a female loan house

 

0:58:19.559,0:58:25.500

or career lonely that's the only sound I

 

0:58:22.559,0:58:27.839

had to play right right just remember I

 

0:58:25.500,0:58:29.940

tell you less is more yeah oh yeah oh

 

0:58:27.839,0:58:31.619

yeah yeah I totally agree with you

 

0:58:29.940,0:58:33.960

sometimes I'm pretty guilty of playing a

 

0:58:31.619,0:58:37.920

lot of sound but no I agree with you oh

 

0:58:33.960,0:58:40.020

I I do I play a lot of sounds but it if

 

0:58:37.920,0:58:42.059

I can get them to get there with playing

 

0:58:40.020,0:58:43.680

one that means I don't have to go all

 

0:58:42.059,0:58:46.020

through those and I got more for later

 

0:58:43.680,0:58:47.940

that's right you left some sounds out

 

0:58:46.020,0:58:50.400

there still fresh them coyoteers that

 

0:58:47.940,0:58:53.339

were left behind yep sir so you like

 

0:58:50.400,0:58:56.040

those are you want two houses come here

 

0:58:53.339,0:58:58.920

lonely and then then just some female

 

0:58:56.040,0:59:01.859

owned house and misses the Cottontail

 

0:58:58.920,0:59:04.140

yes sir awesome I like those are three

 

0:59:01.859,0:59:05.640

great pigs you're I think you might be

 

0:59:04.140,0:59:07.260

the only person I've asked though that

 

0:59:05.640,0:59:08.940

did not throw any kind of pup distress

 

0:59:07.260,0:59:10.140

or coyote fight in the mix but that's

 

0:59:08.940,0:59:11.640

pretty interesting it's not saying

 

0:59:10.140,0:59:13.920

that's wrong but it's

 

0:59:11.640,0:59:15.119

that's that's the reason I ask these

 

0:59:13.920,0:59:16.980

questions to everybody I want to hear

 

0:59:15.119,0:59:18.960

everybody's opinion and they've all got

 

0:59:16.980,0:59:21.240

an opinion what their top three sounds

 

0:59:18.960,0:59:23.040

are and their sounds that work for them

 

0:59:21.240,0:59:24.720

that's that's great stuff Stacey

 

0:59:23.040,0:59:26.000

appreciate you sharing that with us yes

 

0:59:24.720,0:59:28.500

sir

 

0:59:26.000,0:59:31.140

I'm Gonna Knock it back a notch for you

 

0:59:28.500,0:59:32.940

actually two notches okay okay say Mike

 

0:59:31.140,0:59:35.940

sends you an x-24 and he says you don't

 

0:59:32.940,0:59:38.000

have one sound on it for one sound are

 

0:59:35.940,0:59:42.559

you gonna have on that call

 

0:59:38.000,0:59:42.559

one sound one sound

 

0:59:43.200,0:59:48.960

I'm still going to choose uh Miss

 

0:59:45.420,0:59:51.420

mccantille that's right I every coyote

 

0:59:48.960,0:59:54.980

that has ever walked the Earth

 

0:59:51.420,0:59:58.260

has got to eat to live

 

0:59:54.980,1:00:00.119

so they will come to prey distressed

 

0:59:58.260,1:00:01.500

sounds I've said this yeah certain

 

1:00:00.119,1:00:03.720

things I was talking about thinking

 

1:00:01.500,1:00:05.339

about today I saw a post and said you

 

1:00:03.720,1:00:06.960

know what's the top 10 sounds I need to

 

1:00:05.339,1:00:08.579

have on my call and it kind of turned

 

1:00:06.960,1:00:10.500

into you know what everybody's favorite

 

1:00:08.579,1:00:12.720

sound was and it got me thinking I was

 

1:00:10.500,1:00:16.319

like if I was just gonna have one sound

 

1:00:12.720,1:00:17.760

on a call what do I need it to be and it

 

1:00:16.319,1:00:19.380

was either going to be I brought it down

 

1:00:17.760,1:00:21.299

to myself because it's gonna be Mrs MC

 

1:00:19.380,1:00:24.140

Cottontail or cagey Cottontail from

 

1:00:21.299,1:00:26.400

Foxborough oh I can kill it

 

1:00:24.140,1:00:29.160

bobcat that's ever walked with those two

 

1:00:26.400,1:00:33.240

sounds about throwing baby cottontails

 

1:00:29.160,1:00:35.099

babies yeah yeah oh yeah how many cards

 

1:00:33.240,1:00:37.079

have you killed with that ah man I lost

 

1:00:35.099,1:00:38.940

count a long time ago on that okay all

 

1:00:37.079,1:00:41.280

three of these sound those sounds

 

1:00:38.940,1:00:43.500

but see here's the thing you don't have

 

1:00:41.280,1:00:46.559

to play it continuous see when you said

 

1:00:43.500,1:00:48.119

one cut you can put 20 seconds in there

 

1:00:46.559,1:00:50.160

and show it off 20 SEC you can change

 

1:00:48.119,1:00:52.920

the whole

 

1:00:50.160,1:00:56.579

um way that Stan reads by

 

1:00:52.920,1:00:58.140

the mute button and fox pitch you know

 

1:00:56.579,1:00:59.579

you can do so much with Fox pitch when

 

1:00:58.140,1:01:02.280

it comes those rabbit sounds and stuff

 

1:00:59.579,1:01:04.440

too oh this is Fox pitch I mean yeah

 

1:01:02.280,1:01:07.799

yeah but since you made me have to

 

1:01:04.440,1:01:09.839

mention it yeah I use it a lot

 

1:01:07.799,1:01:11.640

because you change you turn one sound

 

1:01:09.839,1:01:13.079

into two or three four right that's

 

1:01:11.640,1:01:15.119

right because you could slow it down

 

1:01:13.079,1:01:16.680

pretty much analysts right because you

 

1:01:15.119,1:01:18.780

can speed it up as much as you can slow

 

1:01:16.680,1:01:21.420

it down

 

1:01:18.780,1:01:23.579

Stacy I appreciate you coming on here

 

1:01:21.420,1:01:26.040

buddy I've learned a lot and I can't

 

1:01:23.579,1:01:28.079

wait to apply some of this that you've

 

1:01:26.040,1:01:30.420

talked with us about in the field here

 

1:01:28.079,1:01:32.640

over the next uh next couple months I

 

1:01:30.420,1:01:35.520

really appreciate you coming on buddy

 

1:01:32.640,1:01:37.619

well it's my pleasure buddy and call me

 

1:01:35.520,1:01:39.480

anytime call me anytime I look forward

 

1:01:37.619,1:01:40.920

to our next time yeah hopefully we'll

 

1:01:39.480,1:01:43.619

get together this fall maybe this

 

1:01:40.920,1:01:45.119

November I'd love that yeah hopefully

 

1:01:43.619,1:01:46.920

have you got anything you'd like to say

 

1:01:45.119,1:01:50.099

before we Hop Off

 

1:01:46.920,1:01:51.020

no I just well I do

 

1:01:50.099,1:01:53.640

um

 

1:01:51.020,1:01:55.980

evolved for all the coyote callers out

 

1:01:53.640,1:01:57.960

there evolve change what you're doing by

 

1:01:55.980,1:01:59.220

a little bit read the coyotes as they

 

1:01:57.960,1:02:02.040

come in

 

1:01:59.220,1:02:05.760

and as my dad always said

 

1:02:02.040,1:02:08.160

one shot one well-placed shot is better

 

1:02:05.760,1:02:11.280

than spraying and praying

 

1:02:08.160,1:02:13.079

I like it I like it that's some wise

 

1:02:11.280,1:02:14.819

words I think that's some good ones to

 

1:02:13.079,1:02:16.319

leave out on we hope everyone enjoyed

 

1:02:14.819,1:02:19.940

this episode and we hope you join us

 

1:02:16.319,1:02:19.940

again right on the Foxpro podcast