Foxpro's Jon Collins talks everything crows with field staffer Bob Aronsohn.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast we've
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got a great episode lined up for you
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guys we're going to be discussing Crow
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calling with Mr Bob Aronson Bob we
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appreciate you coming on how you been
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doing here lately
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I've been doing fine sir how are you
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doing doing real well it's uh spring is
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spring is here and turkey season's
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fastly approaching and you know I like
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getting natural long beards pretty good
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actually been sitting out here listening
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to a couple a couple Birds gobbling here
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behind the house and uh and heard some
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crows some crows was firing up and the
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turkeys were answering the crows and it
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definitely made me think about you
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that's for sure
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well that that's awful nice I've been
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busying myself whenever I go to Walmart
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to pick up a few odds and ends I always
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swing by sporting goods and pick up uh
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some ammo and small increments so by the
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time the ball rolls around I'll be in
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pretty good shape that's right that's
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right for all you guys out there uh that
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don't may not know Bob Bob is a member
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of the Foxpro field staff and is the
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authority on Crow column it's a pretty
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good chance that Bob is probably called
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and killed more crows than anyone else
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out there Bob you care to tell us a
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little bit more about yourself
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well
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um I actually started hunting crows
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I shot my first Crow flying when I was
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11 and a half years old in New York
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state with my father
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and um you know I hunted them uh up
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until the time I was about uh about 17
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and at that particular point that was a
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real turning point in my life because
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from 11 and a half to 17 I would hunting
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Upstate New York with my Dad we would
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Cruise the back roads and everybody knew
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everybody in those days I'm talking now
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in the late 50s very early 60s to Mid
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60s and we would run on gun my dad would
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get into a Thicket call some crows over
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it would last a few minutes then you'd
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go on down the road for a mile mile and
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a half and you'd stop the car and listen
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see if you could hear some crazy call
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over some more but in 1965 what happened
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was I got real sweet on this gal and I
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wanted the merrier
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a woman to get you in trouble every time
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Bob oh you're not kidding so my father
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told me he said this is why young men
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have fathers he said
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he says you are going out to South
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Dakota to live with Wayne Christensen
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who he used to be a Salesman for Stoeger
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arms out of Hackensack New Jersey and I
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I knew Wayne I met him at a lot of the
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gun shows back there when my dad and I
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would go to them in New York New Jersey
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and Philadelphia
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and so he retired from Stoeger arms and
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he moved to Chamberlain South Dakota so
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my dad sent me out there to live with
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him for a year and when I got used to
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living in the midwest which was it was
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like an alternate universe compared to
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living back East with the way the people
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are just a darn friendly and between the
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Ducks and the geese and the crows and
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the and the prairie chickens and the
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sharp shell grass I went absolutely
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crazy out there and every time my dad
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would call he would say houses report
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card doing and he says all he's doing is
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hunting and I worked for Wayne
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Christensen who had a gun shop
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after school and then he would give me a
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discount on all my reloading supplies
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and I'm telling you that was the
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beginning of it for me with the pros
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because that was my first taste of
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getting a shot at some crows and some
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real huntable numbers out there around
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Chamberlain
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that's good stuff Bob and and uh you've
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been after him ever since I'm sure yeah
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I've been after him ever since then uh
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as a matter of fact in 1965 around
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Chamberlain that is where I met my Crow
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hunting mentor
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he was a gunsmith from Sioux City Iowa
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his name was Boyd C Robeson
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and I remember where I was calling the
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crows over I shot maybe 20 or 25 of them
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that was it
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and I was watching Boyd he was probably
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I'm guessing uh maybe a half a mile from
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me and I went over after he was done I
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mean he had dead crows everywhere with
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him and his partner and he had a pair of
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Mallard tone crow calls around his neck
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and I didn't know what a melatonin Crow
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call was I was using a pair of lumen
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hand calls in those days
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and um so I got acquainted with him got
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talking with him and that was the end of
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that and I hadn't seen him again for
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about eight years I ran into him again
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right down here in Bueller Kansas that's
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when the crows were really thick down
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here in Kansas this was back in the very
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early 70s
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um I believe it was 1970 when I ran into
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uh Boyd for the second time and I didn't
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know he was he didn't know who I was
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because of the time lapse and I had only
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met him one time prior in 1965.
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but I noticed the crow calls around his
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neck and I jogged and jogged my memory
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and I said Do you ever hunt crows in
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South Dakota and he says sure
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I said it wouldn't have been up there
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around White Lake with it and he said
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yeah it's as a matter of fact and then
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he said holy smokes he says are you that
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kid who came up to me and was talking to
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me years ago and I said you did you
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drive a white pickup truck in those days
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and you had a tall slender guy with you
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he says and then it just clicked so he
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said to me look I just moved here from
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Sioux City this was in 1973.
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and so at any rate I was saying 1970 a
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little earlier it's hard to remember the
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exact date so it had to have been in 73.
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he said I just moved here in 73. he said
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um here's my business card he says if
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you come out again alone he says look me
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up because he says I won't hunt for
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three people he says to his company he
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said three is a crowd right so I came
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out next month alone
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and it was like uh two cuts of cloth
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that meshed together and I remember the
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first time I hunted with them where I
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was actually in the blind he didn't do
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any shooting he just was observing me to
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watch to see how I operated and uh
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at any rate it was a match made in
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heaven and the two of us from 1974 until
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1990 just the two of us together okay
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well the combined totals of the two of
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us we shot just just a little bit shy of
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a hundred thousand crows together and
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out of that when you're talking about
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from 1974 to 1990
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.
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um it's interesting too how things work
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out because from 1974 to 1990 that was
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the first 16 years of me living out here
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when the birds used to be right here on
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the back doorstep that's when I shot the
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first 50 000 crows and most of those
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were shot with a 20 gauge but those
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those were some days because we had two
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enormous roosts one was 15 minutes from
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my house in Medora Kansas that held over
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a million Birds
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there was another one 40 miles west that
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held a million plus now if you ask me
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did it really hold a million I don't
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think anybody can really honestly say
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okay this has a million birds or
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whatever all I can tell you it was it
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was
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you know yeah right well that's that's
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pretty cool stuff Bob you talked about
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shooting your first Crow at uh at 11 11
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and a half years old and then those days
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you're talking about there and and let's
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talk about like today
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watch your Crow watch your Crow count
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here in 2023
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well uh let's see if I can figure this
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out sure okay uh I shot my 50 000 crow
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in Kansas okay yeah I got my 75 000
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square up in Iowa
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um I shot him a hundred thousandth Crow
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down in Texas okay I shot him 125 000
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Pro in Illinois
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and I shot my hundred and fifty thousand
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crow in Illinois and I'm up to a hundred
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and a little over a hundred and seventy
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two thousand now that's pretty awesome
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that's that's a lot of shooting right
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there like I said Bob Aronson is the
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authority on Crow calling and you know
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here I'm I'm already learned about Crow
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calling here Bob so let's get right into
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it first off uh first things first let's
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talk about the crow itself how
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intelligent is the crow how smart
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actually is a crow
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well I I had an old hunting buddy of
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mine who summed it up rather well and
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his name was Jim Lundquist I hunted uh
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Crows with Jim lonquist for over 20
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years
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and Jim used to come down and hunt crows
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every year from Minnesota when the crows
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were here in uh in Hutcherson
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and um at any rate uh Jim uh was in The
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Blind one day and he says to me he says
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you know he says a crow has a a brain he
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says smaller than a ping pong ball he
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says probably about the size of a pea
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and he says I think that their IQ is
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smarter than most Crow hunters and he
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said that's including the two of us and
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that pretty well summed it up right you
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know with the crows themselves they're a
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very very intelligent bird
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but to coin a phrase that Bert popowski
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used to use he said that you can use
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their intelligence to defeat them and by
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that I mean that if you've got a good
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distressed call to use because of their
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intelligence they hear a good distress
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call they're going to come to it to see
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what's going on and crows have a very
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gangster Spirit too right they have the
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real mob mentality for instance to uh to
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give you an example when you were a
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young boy and you're out there on the on
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the school ground and
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and the two toughest kids on the
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playground are finally going to get into
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it man that's a big that's a big draw
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everybody comes everybody comes around
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to see what's going on that's for sure
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sure crows are the same way you know
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when uh when they might be mobbing an
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owl and a Grove trying to you know run
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them out of there you know they hear the
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commotion and they're curious you know
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what I mean to see what's going on and
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if if you can get them fired up where um
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uh where you actually get them mad uh
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where uh you know they come in uh my old
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hunting partner and Crow hunting Mentor
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uh Boyd Roberson used to refer to it as
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they're coming in with blood in their
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eye for crying out loud they just want
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to tear the place up when they get in
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there and that's fun to shoot them like
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that too because if you get them strung
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out
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and it's a nice breezy day
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um it mumbles the sound of the shooting
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too especially if you have a a crosswind
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say for instance if you have a northwest
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wind and the birds are coming in
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directly from the south and just and
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then they're hooking in from the
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southeast with the way the wind is you
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know coming into the wind the birds that
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are a couple of hundred yards downwind
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the shooting just sounds like a slight
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pop to them they don't even notice it
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and if you're well hidden they can't
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tell where the shooting is coming from
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anyway so now that now this is also
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providing you're working with birds that
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haven't been shot up uh you know too
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many times in the past because the more
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Grim experience that they get from being
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shot the wiser they're going to get so
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um that's another Factor where
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um I listen to you know some guys they
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will say well you know there's no other
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guys that Crow hunting my area and I
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just can't understand why the crow stuff
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won't come in any closer well they might
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not think any somebody else is hunting
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them in their area and maybe it's not
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their immediate area it could be
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somebody
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maybe on another part of the county but
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if those crows got shot in another part
0:12:16.140,0:12:19.680
of the county and they Venture into the
0:12:18.000,0:12:21.300
part of the county where these guys are
0:12:19.680,0:12:23.459
shooting where they don't hear any other
0:12:21.300,0:12:25.680
guy shooting crows they've still been
0:12:23.459,0:12:27.839
shot up before they get to these guys
0:12:25.680,0:12:30.000
and they can't understand why the crows
0:12:27.839,0:12:31.320
act the way they do but that's why they
0:12:30.000,0:12:33.600
act like that
0:12:31.320,0:12:35.040
it's pretty it's pretty good stuff I got
0:12:33.600,0:12:37.920
to ask you a question here because you
0:12:35.040,0:12:40.320
said you use the phrase well hidden what
0:12:37.920,0:12:42.300
what about concealment is it important
0:12:40.320,0:12:46.320
one calling crows tell us how you like
0:12:42.300,0:12:47.880
to get set up for Crow calling well you
0:12:46.320,0:12:50.040
know whether you're running gunning or
0:12:47.880,0:12:51.620
whether you're hunting uh just a fixed
0:12:50.040,0:12:54.300
blind location
0:12:51.620,0:12:57.600
concealer concealment is very important
0:12:54.300,0:13:01.260
and it's much easier to conceal yourself
0:12:57.600,0:13:02.600
during the summer months and early fall
0:13:01.260,0:13:06.480
right yeah
0:13:02.600,0:13:09.180
where you have more foliage on the trees
0:13:06.480,0:13:11.220
um as the as you start to lose all the
0:13:09.180,0:13:13.740
uh the cover from the leaves on the
0:13:11.220,0:13:16.620
trees it gets more difficult and that's
0:13:13.740,0:13:18.899
where you need a good blunt and one of
0:13:16.620,0:13:21.600
the things that uh is real important
0:13:18.899,0:13:25.019
when you are uh either going to have a
0:13:21.600,0:13:28.620
portable blonde or a blind from a fixed
0:13:25.019,0:13:31.560
location is to make sure not only do you
0:13:28.620,0:13:34.079
have good cover 360 Degrees around you
0:13:31.560,0:13:36.360
in the blind but the back of that blind
0:13:34.079,0:13:38.480
that's where you really have to have it
0:13:36.360,0:13:41.279
nice and dense because
0:13:38.480,0:13:43.500
you don't want to be what they call it
0:13:41.279,0:13:47.399
backlighting where birds can be coming
0:13:43.500,0:13:49.740
in downwind from your position and if
0:13:47.399,0:13:51.779
the back end of your blind is real open
0:13:49.740,0:13:53.880
and you got a sun a lot of sunlight
0:13:51.779,0:13:56.160
coming through there they can pick
0:13:53.880,0:13:58.560
movement out in the blind because of the
0:13:56.160,0:14:01.680
gaps where if you have it nice and dark
0:13:58.560,0:14:03.600
and shaded it makes it very very
0:14:01.680,0:14:05.820
difficult for them to pick you out and
0:14:03.600,0:14:08.820
you have a lot more freedom of movement
0:14:05.820,0:14:12.600
inside the blind like that other things
0:14:08.820,0:14:16.100
too is and we discussed this earlier on
0:14:12.600,0:14:20.339
one of our earlier conversations is that
0:14:16.100,0:14:22.680
it's great to be concealed but from what
0:14:20.339,0:14:25.200
I see from a lot of videos where that
0:14:22.680,0:14:28.980
you know some of the guys that uh make
0:14:25.200,0:14:32.279
on Crow hunting they get themselves so
0:14:28.980,0:14:34.740
well concealed that they hamper their
0:14:32.279,0:14:36.959
ability to shoot the crows where they
0:14:34.740,0:14:39.540
they limit themselves so much that
0:14:36.959,0:14:41.459
there's only maybe one or two areas that
0:14:39.540,0:14:45.060
are open where they can shoot the crows
0:14:41.459,0:14:47.180
from which cuts down dramatically on the
0:14:45.060,0:14:51.420
amount of birds that you're going to get
0:14:47.180,0:14:53.160
so a blind placement is is critical and
0:14:51.420,0:14:56.220
what I mean by that is
0:14:53.160,0:14:59.040
is you can have your blind set up it's
0:14:56.220,0:15:01.019
best to have cover in front of you to
0:14:59.040,0:15:02.699
break up your blind because a lot of
0:15:01.019,0:15:05.339
times guys will take the blind they set
0:15:02.699,0:15:07.560
it out there you know in the open and if
0:15:05.339,0:15:10.740
those crows have been shot before and
0:15:07.560,0:15:13.620
they see a nice boxy looking uh blind
0:15:10.740,0:15:15.660
set up out there and they start spading
0:15:13.620,0:15:18.000
off and they change the decoys around
0:15:15.660,0:15:20.040
figuring that might be it or they might
0:15:18.000,0:15:23.220
change the speakers around and that
0:15:20.040,0:15:25.380
might be it and sometimes it is but for
0:15:23.220,0:15:26.519
the most part what they fail to realize
0:15:25.380,0:15:29.220
is
0:15:26.519,0:15:32.040
is when those crows get within about 100
0:15:29.220,0:15:34.260
yards of use 60 yards of you you know
0:15:32.040,0:15:36.120
they start spading off because they're
0:15:34.260,0:15:40.260
picking the blinds out they know okay
0:15:36.120,0:15:42.180
okay yeah so that's why it's important
0:15:40.260,0:15:44.639
too to make sure you get the blind
0:15:42.180,0:15:47.399
brushed up to break up the boxy type
0:15:44.639,0:15:49.560
outline of bronze like that so so so
0:15:47.399,0:15:51.120
concealment is very important you just
0:15:49.560,0:15:53.220
can't expect to go out there and set in
0:15:51.120,0:15:54.060
the opening and be knocking crows out
0:15:53.220,0:15:57.300
there
0:15:54.060,0:16:01.139
that's that's exactly right now
0:15:57.300,0:16:03.540
um what what I have done uh uh when I
0:16:01.139,0:16:05.040
get into areas especially if I'm in a
0:16:03.540,0:16:07.680
new area
0:16:05.040,0:16:10.860
and I'm not sure you know how the crows
0:16:07.680,0:16:12.839
are going to respond so rather than
0:16:10.860,0:16:15.060
you know setting up all my equipment and
0:16:12.839,0:16:16.500
then finding out the corrosion or or too
0:16:15.060,0:16:18.120
spooked and don't want to come to the
0:16:16.500,0:16:20.880
call what I'll do is I'll just get into
0:16:18.120,0:16:25.980
a Grove of trees where I got covered 360
0:16:20.880,0:16:28.500
Degrees around me and I'll just whistle
0:16:25.980,0:16:31.500
up a just a fast makeshift blind nothing
0:16:28.500,0:16:33.420
fancy just enough to break me up sitting
0:16:31.500,0:16:36.000
on a [ __ ] right okay
0:16:33.420,0:16:37.980
and I'll get the caller going and I and
0:16:36.000,0:16:40.139
I observe how the crows react and I'll
0:16:37.980,0:16:42.660
shoot some of them you know and that
0:16:40.139,0:16:44.699
they they react pretty well off day and
0:16:42.660,0:16:48.480
keep shooting and I've had some decent
0:16:44.699,0:16:51.540
shoots like that with uh um just just a
0:16:48.480,0:16:54.120
little makeshift line nothing fancy it
0:16:51.540,0:16:57.839
most of it you hear uh waterfowlers talk
0:16:54.120,0:17:00.839
about this a lot is being on the X okay
0:16:57.839,0:17:03.180
being on the spot right that is the main
0:17:00.839,0:17:07.319
thing you got to be where the birds want
0:17:03.180,0:17:10.020
a beef exactly exactly exactly you know
0:17:07.319,0:17:12.540
the best layout in the world
0:17:10.020,0:17:15.600
um you see it with water I used to hunt
0:17:12.540,0:17:17.040
waterfowl a lot and uh you know you
0:17:15.600,0:17:20.760
might have out
0:17:17.040,0:17:22.620
you know 50 to 75 or 100 decoys from
0:17:20.760,0:17:25.620
when I used to hunt uh divers I used to
0:17:22.620,0:17:27.480
love hunting uh greater scalp and canvas
0:17:25.620,0:17:30.179
back and old Squad and all kinds of
0:17:27.480,0:17:31.700
stuff but when you got to wrap the birds
0:17:30.179,0:17:34.440
where you might have
0:17:31.700,0:17:37.500
four or five thousand Blue Bulls sitting
0:17:34.440,0:17:39.720
in a raft maybe a quarter of a mile from
0:17:37.500,0:17:41.220
where you're set up every duck in the
0:17:39.720,0:17:43.620
country sure isn't going to come to your
0:17:41.220,0:17:45.780
50 or so 100 decoys they're going to
0:17:43.620,0:17:48.380
that raft of birds like that so right
0:17:45.780,0:17:51.900
you know x marks the spot like that
0:17:48.380,0:17:54.539
exactly exactly well let's uh let's move
0:17:51.900,0:17:57.600
on to uh to another question here and
0:17:54.539,0:18:00.840
this has to do with setup as well how
0:17:57.600,0:18:02.940
close do you put the Foxpro unit from
0:18:00.840,0:18:06.120
you when calling for Crows what's what's
0:18:02.940,0:18:07.980
the ideal range would you say for for
0:18:06.120,0:18:09.600
colony and crows and getting them in the
0:18:07.980,0:18:10.980
you know where you can get them in the
0:18:09.600,0:18:13.080
shotgun range where are you setting that
0:18:10.980,0:18:17.520
Foxpro unit at
0:18:13.080,0:18:19.919
generally um I keep it uh about 15 yards
0:18:17.520,0:18:22.380
from uh from my position so fairly close
0:18:19.919,0:18:26.520
fairly close yeah really close you bet
0:18:22.380,0:18:28.919
not only that too is um uh is because
0:18:26.520,0:18:30.720
since the fox Pro callers are allowed
0:18:28.919,0:18:34.440
and you want a lot of volume
0:18:30.720,0:18:36.860
is uh I angle the speakers where they're
0:18:34.440,0:18:40.679
not drowning me out in the blinds right
0:18:36.860,0:18:43.620
yes sir yes sir guarantee it does uh
0:18:40.679,0:18:46.140
does the we is wind a factor on how
0:18:43.620,0:18:48.419
crows approach the call is there do you
0:18:46.140,0:18:51.059
would you like set your call up in a
0:18:48.419,0:18:52.320
certain you know Direction in accordance
0:18:51.059,0:18:56.280
with the Wind
0:18:52.320,0:18:57.720
sure hey which reminds me uh here's a
0:18:56.280,0:18:58.640
good tip
0:18:57.720,0:19:01.440
um
0:18:58.640,0:19:03.539
more times than most
0:19:01.440,0:19:05.880
um it's always a good idea you know to
0:19:03.539,0:19:08.760
have your speaker set in back of you
0:19:05.880,0:19:11.160
with the D with the decoys so what
0:19:08.760,0:19:13.260
happens is the crows have to fly over
0:19:11.160,0:19:16.320
you before they get to the speakers
0:19:13.260,0:19:18.539
themselves okay okay yep
0:19:16.320,0:19:21.000
but here's what happens later in the
0:19:18.539,0:19:22.620
season I see this time and time and time
0:19:21.000,0:19:25.140
and time again
0:19:22.620,0:19:27.240
and what the birds will do is when you
0:19:25.140,0:19:29.460
have the speaker set in back of you this
0:19:27.240,0:19:33.179
is after they've been shot a lot
0:19:29.460,0:19:36.419
they come in okay and what they do is
0:19:33.179,0:19:38.100
they'll swing wide and they always swing
0:19:36.419,0:19:40.620
around the back side of the blind
0:19:38.100,0:19:42.600
looking at the speakers like that and
0:19:40.620,0:19:46.260
you got to spin around like a top all
0:19:42.600,0:19:49.620
the time so what I do later in the
0:19:46.260,0:19:51.780
season when they start doing that in
0:19:49.620,0:19:54.740
order to fool them I take the speakers
0:19:51.780,0:19:59.220
and I instead of setting the speakers
0:19:54.740,0:20:02.220
say 15 yards in back of the blind I'll
0:19:59.220,0:20:05.400
take the speakers and put them 25 or 30
0:20:02.220,0:20:07.080
yards out in front of the blind okay so
0:20:05.400,0:20:09.240
they're spooky they're used to being
0:20:07.080,0:20:11.880
shot up and because of that
0:20:09.240,0:20:13.559
characteristic of them swinging wide
0:20:11.880,0:20:15.059
when they're coming in and then they
0:20:13.559,0:20:17.580
hook around the back side of the
0:20:15.059,0:20:19.559
speakers like that putting your speakers
0:20:17.580,0:20:21.000
way out in front of you like that then
0:20:19.559,0:20:22.919
you got them right out in front of you
0:20:21.000,0:20:24.539
and it's like Duck super crying out loud
0:20:22.919,0:20:26.580
so it's just a matter of you know
0:20:24.539,0:20:28.559
figuring out certain things like that
0:20:26.580,0:20:31.500
when things starts happening
0:20:28.559,0:20:33.419
with experience it's knowing what to do
0:20:31.500,0:20:36.299
and when to do it and that's basically
0:20:33.419,0:20:37.679
it in a nutshell okay I got you I got
0:20:36.299,0:20:39.720
you well you mentioned you mentioned
0:20:37.679,0:20:42.539
decoys there how important are decoys
0:20:39.720,0:20:44.100
you run decoys on Crow calling and what
0:20:42.539,0:20:46.020
type of decoys are there are they
0:20:44.100,0:20:48.600
actually crows or uh
0:20:46.020,0:20:51.840
yeah what I do is is
0:20:48.600,0:20:54.539
um I've got some old um they're called a
0:20:51.840,0:20:56.760
carry like Crow decoy and in my Crow
0:20:54.539,0:20:59.340
Museum here in Kansas
0:20:56.760,0:21:01.620
I uh I still use some of the old carry
0:20:59.340,0:21:05.280
lights they're from the 1960s it was
0:21:01.620,0:21:08.460
from when uh Carey light went from paper
0:21:05.280,0:21:11.100
mache Crow decoys like the old Victor
0:21:08.460,0:21:13.860
Crow decoys and a lot of the old paper
0:21:11.100,0:21:17.460
mache decoys that they made years ago
0:21:13.860,0:21:21.720
when they went to plastic they made a
0:21:17.460,0:21:24.059
good hard durable decoy and then
0:21:21.720,0:21:26.780
um what happened was
0:21:24.059,0:21:31.919
um let's see it was called a rock Crow
0:21:26.780,0:21:36.059
decoy and then I think Rock Crow uh sold
0:21:31.919,0:21:38.460
the um uh the rights to carry light so
0:21:36.059,0:21:40.440
Carrie might like make it it's the exact
0:21:38.460,0:21:42.360
same decoy but they cheapened it up with
0:21:40.440,0:21:45.120
it with cheaper plastic and stuff but
0:21:42.360,0:21:46.980
the old rock Crow decoys were good even
0:21:45.120,0:21:48.120
the old carry like decoys were still
0:21:46.980,0:21:49.440
good
0:21:48.120,0:21:52.260
um
0:21:49.440,0:21:54.360
um they're in my opinion they're much
0:21:52.260,0:21:57.059
more durable in your flamboat equation
0:21:54.360,0:21:58.919
now but a guy has to do what he has to
0:21:57.059,0:22:00.780
do he has to get the decoys that he can
0:21:58.919,0:22:03.240
lay his hands on and that's it that's
0:22:00.780,0:22:05.640
right at any rate that's what I use and
0:22:03.240,0:22:07.679
uh I put them on the ground and put them
0:22:05.640,0:22:10.200
in the trees and all kinds of stuff like
0:22:07.679,0:22:12.900
that keeping them fairly close to you
0:22:10.200,0:22:14.760
just like you do the call yes I do yep
0:22:12.900,0:22:17.159
keep them close to me just like I do the
0:22:14.760,0:22:19.380
call what's a what's an optimum number
0:22:17.159,0:22:21.780
of decoys to have how many decoys you
0:22:19.380,0:22:24.780
looking to put out on a spread General
0:22:21.780,0:22:27.419
like uh I don't really use a whole lot
0:22:24.780,0:22:31.440
um many years ago what I used to do is
0:22:27.419,0:22:33.120
uh here again it's it's just what works
0:22:31.440,0:22:34.860
for you
0:22:33.120,0:22:36.780
um I used to have the whole back end of
0:22:34.860,0:22:40.020
the pickup truck filled up with bags and
0:22:36.780,0:22:42.419
decoys and I'd be putting a bag after
0:22:40.020,0:22:43.799
bag of you know nice ground set boy it
0:22:42.419,0:22:47.220
looked great you know and everything
0:22:43.799,0:22:49.980
else and it did work but
0:22:47.220,0:22:51.900
the more I did it the more I realized it
0:22:49.980,0:22:53.580
I don't need all these big questions now
0:22:51.900,0:22:55.919
that's how more you takes more to pack
0:22:53.580,0:22:58.500
more to set up more to take more to
0:22:55.919,0:22:59.760
break down that's that's exactly right
0:22:58.500,0:23:04.860
so now
0:22:59.760,0:23:07.500
what I do is is uh I carry 20 uh decoys
0:23:04.860,0:23:11.340
when they that I use and I can use up to
0:23:07.500,0:23:14.400
20 to put in the trees or more times
0:23:11.340,0:23:17.460
than most I would say ninety percent of
0:23:14.400,0:23:20.220
the time I'll use anywhere from eight to
0:23:17.460,0:23:23.640
ten decoys from the trees and that's it
0:23:20.220,0:23:26.039
okay and um what I do is instead of all
0:23:23.640,0:23:28.320
those packs of decoys that I used to Lug
0:23:26.039,0:23:28.980
around years ago
0:23:28.320,0:23:32.220
um
0:23:28.980,0:23:36.720
it's just not necessary so what I do is
0:23:32.220,0:23:39.440
is um as I start to shoot them uh the
0:23:36.720,0:23:43.500
more dead ones
0:23:39.440,0:23:45.600
don't they yeah use MSG questions and uh
0:23:43.500,0:23:47.220
what what happens is people say to me
0:23:45.600,0:23:49.260
you know I'll give you another example
0:23:47.220,0:23:51.480
of this a guy hunted with for about five
0:23:49.260,0:23:53.700
years before he passed away he lived in
0:23:51.480,0:23:56.159
Maryland his name was Jerry by wrote him
0:23:53.700,0:23:59.400
and I had some great shoots together
0:23:56.159,0:24:01.320
and Jerry said to me uh he said well how
0:23:59.400,0:24:03.000
come you don't grab the dead ones and
0:24:01.320,0:24:06.000
put them in a LifeLock position because
0:24:03.000,0:24:08.340
that's what he did in Maryland and I
0:24:06.000,0:24:10.440
said it's unnecessary and he says well
0:24:08.340,0:24:12.059
and this guy hunting crows for years he
0:24:10.440,0:24:14.100
said yeah but he says isn't that gonna
0:24:12.059,0:24:15.600
spook the crows when he says he sees
0:24:14.100,0:24:17.460
them they some are dead on their back
0:24:15.600,0:24:18.780
with their wings stretched out somewhere
0:24:17.460,0:24:20.880
on their sides
0:24:18.780,0:24:22.799
and I said when they come in they know
0:24:20.880,0:24:24.900
damn well they're dead I said but
0:24:22.799,0:24:27.059
they're curious they gotta see what's
0:24:24.900,0:24:29.880
going on and the more dead ones you got
0:24:27.059,0:24:33.059
on the ground the better and that has
0:24:29.880,0:24:34.860
helped me uh um you know it's just the
0:24:33.059,0:24:38.940
more dead ones you have on the ground
0:24:34.860,0:24:40.559
the bigger the draw awesome so uh you
0:24:38.940,0:24:43.620
know that's the way I've hunted them for
0:24:40.559,0:24:45.720
for decades and it has it has worked uh
0:24:43.620,0:24:47.520
exceedingly well well that's that's
0:24:45.720,0:24:49.980
that's pretty good stuff so you say you
0:24:47.520,0:24:51.720
go out there with a dozen or less decoys
0:24:49.980,0:24:53.400
and then as you start shooting crows
0:24:51.720,0:24:56.100
each crow that hits the ground is just
0:24:53.400,0:24:58.380
another decoy attitude you spread that's
0:24:56.100,0:25:00.120
exactly right now sometimes you know if
0:24:58.380,0:25:02.400
you have a [ __ ] or something then you
0:25:00.120,0:25:03.840
start to hop off it would be hoop you to
0:25:02.400,0:25:05.460
try to
0:25:03.840,0:25:08.100
um go ahead and shoot him over again on
0:25:05.460,0:25:10.799
the ground so you don't have other birds
0:25:08.100,0:25:12.960
decoy into him too far down away from
0:25:10.799,0:25:14.520
you I got you yes sir from your position
0:25:12.960,0:25:19.260
that makes sense you want to dispatch
0:25:14.520,0:25:21.000
him as soon as you can and if you can't
0:25:19.260,0:25:23.760
um hopefully he'll run off into the
0:25:21.000,0:25:25.980
brush somewhere and uh and they won't
0:25:23.760,0:25:28.380
notice them as much but that's another
0:25:25.980,0:25:30.299
thing that I want to bring out too when
0:25:28.380,0:25:32.940
I was hunting with this guy he was from
0:25:30.299,0:25:36.120
Hernando Mississippi was a banker
0:25:32.940,0:25:38.820
and his name was uh Bob I think was his
0:25:36.120,0:25:40.620
last name uh can't remember what his
0:25:38.820,0:25:43.020
last name is right now but at any rate
0:25:40.620,0:25:45.480
real nice Southern gentleman I met him
0:25:43.020,0:25:47.580
in a goose pit in Argentina
0:25:45.480,0:25:49.860
and I told him I said you ever hunt the
0:25:47.580,0:25:52.140
crows and he says no well I gave him an
0:25:49.860,0:25:54.539
invite two years later he calls me and
0:25:52.140,0:25:57.000
he says to me is your invitation still
0:25:54.539,0:25:59.100
good and I said come on ahead
0:25:57.000,0:26:00.419
um Eric his name was Bob cook that was
0:25:59.100,0:26:03.240
his name anyway
0:26:00.419,0:26:05.820
so here comes Bob it comes out here so
0:26:03.240,0:26:08.580
at that particular time the crows in
0:26:05.820,0:26:11.179
Kansas it's already gone this was by the
0:26:08.580,0:26:14.400
1990s now we were hunting out of state
0:26:11.179,0:26:15.980
so we were down in Oklahoma hunting
0:26:14.400,0:26:18.840
and uh
0:26:15.980,0:26:21.360
we were going to get set up in this
0:26:18.840,0:26:23.100
place and he says well he said you talk
0:26:21.360,0:26:24.779
about the dead crows on the grass they
0:26:23.100,0:26:25.980
said the grass here is about two feet
0:26:24.779,0:26:27.779
higher better
0:26:25.980,0:26:30.120
he says they're not going to be able to
0:26:27.779,0:26:32.279
see him so I said to him I said you mean
0:26:30.120,0:26:34.260
you're not going to be able to see him
0:26:32.279,0:26:36.419
because if you're up in the sky can't
0:26:34.260,0:26:39.059
they that's right you're at the ground
0:26:36.419,0:26:42.179
level but from the air trust me they can
0:26:39.059,0:26:44.640
see him so we got set up and I remember
0:26:42.179,0:26:46.620
the first shoot that we had uh he didn't
0:26:44.640,0:26:48.120
want to set up there he said guys I
0:26:46.620,0:26:49.919
don't know if we ought to set up here or
0:26:48.120,0:26:54.299
not I said well why don't you just humor
0:26:49.919,0:26:56.880
me so we shot 460 crows in this one spot
0:26:54.299,0:26:58.860
and after that he said to me Bobby he
0:26:56.880,0:27:00.659
says I'll never question you again there
0:26:58.860,0:27:02.640
like that so
0:27:00.659,0:27:05.279
um there was another story with another
0:27:02.640,0:27:06.419
Bob this guy was from Maryland also who
0:27:05.279,0:27:08.820
I took out
0:27:06.419,0:27:11.340
and he was a dentist and he was used to
0:27:08.820,0:27:14.400
getting his own way all the time so um
0:27:11.340,0:27:17.340
his name was my back was his last name
0:27:14.400,0:27:18.360
oh Bob Auburn was his name and he was a
0:27:17.340,0:27:20.760
nice guy
0:27:18.360,0:27:23.460
just that you know he'd get kind of
0:27:20.760,0:27:24.659
pushy sometimes all the time I know the
0:27:23.460,0:27:27.779
type everybody's hunting with somebody
0:27:24.659,0:27:29.460
like that from yeah we're out I'm
0:27:27.779,0:27:31.320
scouting this place out in the morning
0:27:29.460,0:27:32.940
and he's I think we ought to set up here
0:27:31.320,0:27:36.120
and I said I think we ought to set up
0:27:32.940,0:27:38.940
about 400 yards west of here he's no no
0:27:36.120,0:27:41.159
this is the spot so I said okay
0:27:38.940,0:27:43.140
so we set up there we shot about 50
0:27:41.159,0:27:45.419
birds and for the rest of the morning
0:27:43.140,0:27:47.640
all we did was see birds going through
0:27:45.419,0:27:49.500
or I wanted to set up at so then he
0:27:47.640,0:27:51.659
turns to me at the end when he knows
0:27:49.500,0:27:53.159
that he screwed up he says to me Bob
0:27:51.659,0:27:55.020
meaning me
0:27:53.159,0:27:58.220
he says that's what you get for
0:27:55.020,0:28:02.400
listening to a damn know-it-all so
0:27:58.220,0:28:05.279
the two of us we were in a pit in South
0:28:02.400,0:28:09.240
Africa hunting Egyptian geese
0:28:05.279,0:28:10.980
and um this girl her name was Paul she
0:28:09.240,0:28:13.620
was the uh the wife of the white Hunter
0:28:10.980,0:28:16.320
she's filming a shooting geese okay okay
0:28:13.620,0:28:18.179
so he says to me he's talking to me like
0:28:16.320,0:28:20.460
I've never done this before and he says
0:28:18.179,0:28:22.080
to me now Bob he says I'm going to count
0:28:20.460,0:28:24.600
to three and he says then we're gonna
0:28:22.080,0:28:26.640
get up and shoot the geese so I turned
0:28:24.600,0:28:28.860
around and I wink at Paula just to get a
0:28:26.640,0:28:31.020
rise out of him and I said well Bob and
0:28:28.860,0:28:33.120
I said why don't you just say take them
0:28:31.020,0:28:35.700
and we'll take them so because he's used
0:28:33.120,0:28:37.799
to getting his own way all the time he
0:28:35.700,0:28:39.840
says no no no he says I insist Bob he
0:28:37.799,0:28:41.880
says I'm going to count one two three
0:28:39.840,0:28:43.679
and then we'll take him I said well
0:28:41.880,0:28:45.419
that's fine Bob I said you go ahead and
0:28:43.679,0:28:49.760
count one two three I'm going to take
0:28:45.419,0:28:49.760
them on one oh did he get dressed
0:28:50.100,0:28:54.720
oh boy I'm sure he did well did you take
0:28:52.980,0:28:57.960
them off did you take them on one once
0:28:54.720,0:29:00.779
they come in well Loki nokis came at
0:28:57.960,0:29:03.779
that particular time okay so he he he
0:29:00.779,0:29:06.480
got so he got so aggravated that he got
0:29:03.779,0:29:08.279
out of the Blind and he was kicking the
0:29:06.480,0:29:11.340
mud clods and he went over into another
0:29:08.279,0:29:13.440
blonde that was about 175 yards away and
0:29:11.340,0:29:16.140
I turned around and I looked at Paula
0:29:13.440,0:29:17.820
and she had her hand over the bridge of
0:29:16.140,0:29:19.940
her nose because she was trying to
0:29:17.820,0:29:22.860
maintain some sort of professionalism
0:29:19.940,0:29:24.500
and you could see the tears coming out
0:29:22.860,0:29:26.700
of the corners
0:29:24.500,0:29:29.760
laughing so hard
0:29:26.700,0:29:31.380
it that's good stuff let's let's move
0:29:29.760,0:29:33.960
let's move on here Bob let's talk about
0:29:31.380,0:29:36.179
sounds uh what type of sounds do you
0:29:33.960,0:29:38.100
like running for for calling crows what
0:29:36.179,0:29:38.940
do you find that's most effective for
0:29:38.100,0:29:42.179
you
0:29:38.940,0:29:43.620
that's um that's a good point it depends
0:29:42.179,0:29:45.600
on the type of hunting that you're going
0:29:43.620,0:29:47.640
to be doing okay
0:29:45.600,0:29:50.340
um most guys
0:29:47.640,0:29:52.100
that um you know like the field
0:29:50.340,0:29:54.360
something
0:29:52.100,0:29:56.039
they like to use calls that are
0:29:54.360,0:29:58.500
non-aggressive where the birds come into
0:29:56.039,0:30:03.059
leisurely okay okay
0:29:58.500,0:30:05.940
and um uh what I do is um is I've got a
0:30:03.059,0:30:08.820
recognition call that I use Foxpro sells
0:30:05.940,0:30:10.640
it for me and you can use that
0:30:08.820,0:30:13.980
particular call
0:30:10.640,0:30:16.140
in conjunction with another type of call
0:30:13.980,0:30:18.720
too like you can use a recognition call
0:30:16.140,0:30:20.220
and they come in leisurely you know if
0:30:18.720,0:30:21.659
you want to mix things up a little bit
0:30:20.220,0:30:23.640
if you have two or three of them that
0:30:21.659,0:30:26.640
are coming in after the first shot you
0:30:23.640,0:30:29.640
can use it what I call a distress call
0:30:26.640,0:30:29.640
the
0:30:31.700,0:30:37.320
I also have what they call is a is a
0:30:35.279,0:30:40.500
come here call
0:30:37.320,0:30:42.360
um now if you're going to be say uh
0:30:40.500,0:30:44.460
shooting birds where you want to have
0:30:42.360,0:30:46.919
them more aggressive where you have
0:30:44.460,0:30:50.760
Birds strung out and you're dealing with
0:30:46.919,0:30:54.080
birds that are uh uh headed back toward
0:30:50.760,0:30:56.880
a nocturnal Roost in the late afternoon
0:30:54.080,0:30:59.700
that's where a good distress call and
0:30:56.880,0:31:01.260
fighting call uh will serve you quite
0:30:59.700,0:31:03.659
well
0:31:01.260,0:31:06.360
um and that basically those are the only
0:31:03.659,0:31:08.039
two calls that I like to use because it
0:31:06.360,0:31:10.200
fires them up
0:31:08.039,0:31:13.020
um uh like I say a good distress call
0:31:10.200,0:31:16.919
I've got a real good fighting call that
0:31:13.020,0:31:18.659
Foxpro sells and I've shot tens of
0:31:16.919,0:31:21.480
thousands of crows over that one call
0:31:18.659,0:31:23.640
alone not fighting call anybody that has
0:31:21.480,0:31:25.740
it that uses it you know through one of
0:31:23.640,0:31:27.179
their Fox Pro callers they'll know
0:31:25.740,0:31:29.100
exactly what I'm talking about because
0:31:27.179,0:31:30.840
I'm telling you what they come on the
0:31:29.100,0:31:34.260
double when they hear that right right
0:31:30.840,0:31:37.740
and we do have we have a rather large
0:31:34.260,0:31:41.399
Crow Library uh we actually have a bob
0:31:37.740,0:31:42.480
Aronson Crow sound pack uh so you guys
0:31:41.399,0:31:44.279
you know if you're interested in this
0:31:42.480,0:31:45.779
type of stuff just go to gofoxpro.com
0:31:44.279,0:31:47.460
and you can just go to the sound list
0:31:45.779,0:31:49.799
and you'll you'll see the sound packs
0:31:47.460,0:31:51.600
there are some really good sounds and as
0:31:49.799,0:31:54.360
uh you know listen to Bob here he's he
0:31:51.600,0:31:57.299
shot a few crows so this stuff works
0:31:54.360,0:31:59.640
there's uh there's a morning call that
0:31:57.299,0:32:02.460
uh that that works real well too
0:31:59.640,0:32:05.580
especially if you hear them doing it now
0:32:02.460,0:32:07.860
when I say A morning call
0:32:05.580,0:32:12.000
there's another call on the market that
0:32:07.860,0:32:15.440
they call a morning call but my morning
0:32:12.000,0:32:15.440
call is spelled
0:32:15.799,0:32:21.419
m-o-u-r-n-i-n-g okay the old-timers used
0:32:18.779,0:32:22.799
to call it a sorrow call okay what
0:32:21.419,0:32:24.539
they're doing is they're mourning the
0:32:22.799,0:32:26.580
dead crows are on the ground because of
0:32:24.539,0:32:28.860
a crow's intelligence
0:32:26.580,0:32:30.539
um and the other call that's on the
0:32:28.860,0:32:32.399
internet that's called a morning call
0:32:30.539,0:32:34.140
it's like Morning Call like maybe the
0:32:32.399,0:32:37.380
crows are coming in who knows for what
0:32:34.140,0:32:40.260
but I know that but my particular
0:32:37.380,0:32:42.240
Morning Call that's a good call to use
0:32:40.260,0:32:44.520
but here again it's through experience
0:32:42.240,0:32:46.559
knowing when to use it the best time to
0:32:44.520,0:32:48.380
use it is when you hurt Birds using a
0:32:46.559,0:32:51.179
morning call
0:32:48.380,0:32:53.700
and then you chime in with them oh okay
0:32:51.179,0:32:56.940
and it works real well so here's another
0:32:53.700,0:32:59.820
thing too just just briefly not to butt
0:32:56.940,0:33:01.799
in but with my fighting call
0:32:59.820,0:33:03.120
years ago I used to use it and during
0:33:01.799,0:33:05.880
the winter time
0:33:03.120,0:33:09.179
my lips would get so damn chapped from
0:33:05.880,0:33:12.480
the moisture uh with your uh lips being
0:33:09.179,0:33:15.120
on the mouthpiece of the crow call
0:33:12.480,0:33:18.360
that uh when I got a hold of Foxpro
0:33:15.120,0:33:21.419
years ago I had them Implement that in
0:33:18.360,0:33:24.480
my Foxborough callers and I used that
0:33:21.419,0:33:25.860
and that way it saves my breath for one
0:33:24.480,0:33:27.720
thing of course
0:33:25.860,0:33:30.179
um and it and my lips don't get near as
0:33:27.720,0:33:33.000
chapped so that has been a big benefit
0:33:30.179,0:33:34.919
using the electronic uh game callers as
0:33:33.000,0:33:37.440
opposed to using a mouth call all the
0:33:34.919,0:33:40.380
time right right well how many different
0:33:37.440,0:33:42.779
sounds will you play on a particular
0:33:40.380,0:33:44.399
setup uh when Colin crows and is there a
0:33:42.779,0:33:46.080
particular sound that you always start
0:33:44.399,0:33:49.080
out with
0:33:46.080,0:33:49.080
well
0:33:50.000,0:33:55.320
if if it's uh say for instance if you're
0:33:52.919,0:33:56.700
hunting in a field type setup or a pecan
0:33:55.320,0:33:59.519
Orchard
0:33:56.700,0:34:02.279
uh or you know any type of field where
0:33:59.519,0:34:05.340
they're growing any type of particular
0:34:02.279,0:34:07.260
row crop that that the crows wanna want
0:34:05.340,0:34:10.500
to eat is
0:34:07.260,0:34:14.339
um basically uh it's just a
0:34:10.500,0:34:17.520
non-aggressive cause is uh basically uh
0:34:14.339,0:34:20.399
your come here call is good uh and the
0:34:17.520,0:34:22.560
recognition call is good and that's uh
0:34:20.399,0:34:24.419
and sometimes I will also use the
0:34:22.560,0:34:29.339
distress call too
0:34:24.419,0:34:31.740
here again it also depends too on how
0:34:29.339,0:34:33.899
big an area you have now here here's
0:34:31.740,0:34:37.619
something uh What uh what what a lot of
0:34:33.899,0:34:39.419
guys don't realize is this I heard a lot
0:34:37.619,0:34:41.639
of guys say well
0:34:39.419,0:34:44.820
in areas where we hunt we don't have
0:34:41.639,0:34:46.980
that many crows so we don't turn the
0:34:44.820,0:34:48.839
collar on full blast because we don't
0:34:46.980,0:34:51.359
want all the crows to come at once and
0:34:48.839,0:34:54.780
then we're done logically
0:34:51.359,0:34:57.480
you know that sound advice but what they
0:34:54.780,0:34:58.859
also failed to realize is is they can be
0:34:57.480,0:35:02.280
in an area
0:34:58.859,0:35:05.520
and because they don't turn the crow
0:35:02.280,0:35:08.160
caller on at full blast
0:35:05.520,0:35:10.020
they can be missing birds that might be
0:35:08.160,0:35:12.180
a couple of hundred yards away because
0:35:10.020,0:35:14.520
of the Timber flying low but they have
0:35:12.180,0:35:16.140
no clue or even in the area for crying
0:35:14.520,0:35:18.240
out loud they could be trading back and
0:35:16.140,0:35:21.119
forth going to different areas like that
0:35:18.240,0:35:22.980
that they're missing out on so it's a
0:35:21.119,0:35:25.260
trade-off I mean you know what they're
0:35:22.980,0:35:28.020
saying is true about that and I do agree
0:35:25.260,0:35:30.359
with them but in certain uh and in other
0:35:28.020,0:35:32.339
as in other areas once you get to learn
0:35:30.359,0:35:35.040
an area and really how many birds you
0:35:32.339,0:35:39.300
really do have to work with
0:35:35.040,0:35:42.060
um uh you have to uh do what's best for
0:35:39.300,0:35:45.000
you in any type of hunting situation
0:35:42.060,0:35:47.339
like that and I uh I'll give a good
0:35:45.000,0:35:50.640
example and this one guy was down in
0:35:47.339,0:35:53.579
Alabama hunting across here and this guy
0:35:50.640,0:35:55.619
was just using hand calls and uh you
0:35:53.579,0:35:58.440
know the best that he had ever done
0:35:55.619,0:36:00.300
we were in this one pecan Orchard
0:35:58.440,0:36:02.420
and he says you know we don't have that
0:36:00.300,0:36:05.160
many crows around here and
0:36:02.420,0:36:07.440
he says so you know I just use the hand
0:36:05.160,0:36:10.339
calls so I said well let's just give the
0:36:07.440,0:36:14.400
Hi-Fi a whirl here so we did
0:36:10.339,0:36:17.339
and uh we shot 240 some crows that
0:36:14.400,0:36:19.560
particular morning and he was absolutely
0:36:17.339,0:36:22.200
ecstatic about it so you know we went on
0:36:19.560,0:36:24.420
to another uh uh portrait you know what
0:36:22.200,0:36:27.660
I mean and we're using my box Pro
0:36:24.420,0:36:29.880
callers and I'll tell you what uh it
0:36:27.660,0:36:32.339
wasn't soon after that before he had box
0:36:29.880,0:36:34.260
Pro on the telephone ordering him the
0:36:32.339,0:36:36.540
Box Pro caller that's all that's what we
0:36:34.260,0:36:39.000
like to hear so so how loud are you
0:36:36.540,0:36:41.099
actually running your Fox Pro unit so
0:36:39.000,0:36:42.720
you're running rather rather loud you're
0:36:41.099,0:36:44.820
talking about three-quarter volume to
0:36:42.720,0:36:46.700
max volume or what are you talking about
0:36:44.820,0:36:50.220
yeah well
0:36:46.700,0:36:53.520
if you have a fairly uh calm day where
0:36:50.220,0:36:56.460
the winds are say five miles per hour or
0:36:53.520,0:36:58.260
less then I don't play it very loud
0:36:56.460,0:37:00.440
because they can hear it fine right so
0:36:58.260,0:37:07.380
you're talking about like 50 percent
0:37:00.440,0:37:10.800
uh no I would say uh uh uh yeah 50 50 or
0:37:07.380,0:37:14.220
less okay okay so 50 or less volume if
0:37:10.800,0:37:17.040
you've got a good nice car if the winds
0:37:14.220,0:37:17.579
are light if the winds are like
0:37:17.040,0:37:19.440
um
0:37:17.579,0:37:22.140
now
0:37:19.440,0:37:23.220
if it's a breezy day then I use more
0:37:22.140,0:37:26.520
volume
0:37:23.220,0:37:28.500
and uh uh what a lot of people think too
0:37:26.520,0:37:31.079
is they think that if uh if the volume
0:37:28.500,0:37:33.000
is too loud you know it's gonna it's
0:37:31.079,0:37:37.079
gonna scare them the closer that they
0:37:33.000,0:37:39.119
get well it's been my experience that uh
0:37:37.079,0:37:42.180
the sound you know especially volume
0:37:39.119,0:37:45.000
wise really doesn't affect them
0:37:42.180,0:37:47.280
um a lot of people get stuff stuck on
0:37:45.000,0:37:51.720
their head where they start analyzing
0:37:47.280,0:37:55.320
thinking that uh that Wildlife analyzes
0:37:51.720,0:37:57.000
things like a human being does okay
0:37:55.320,0:37:59.820
um I'll give you a good example of that
0:37:57.000,0:38:02.099
earlier when I was talking about birds
0:37:59.820,0:38:03.660
picking out a blind where it looks like
0:38:02.099,0:38:04.760
a box out in the middle of a field
0:38:03.660,0:38:08.880
somewhere
0:38:04.760,0:38:10.560
I was with my hunting partner that I've
0:38:08.880,0:38:13.980
been hunting with now for the last 20
0:38:10.560,0:38:15.780
years and the only place we could get
0:38:13.980,0:38:19.140
was right out the middle of this uh
0:38:15.780,0:38:23.160
field wide open not a tree around
0:38:19.140,0:38:25.920
so um at any rate um he says man they're
0:38:23.160,0:38:27.660
never going to buy this Bob so I said
0:38:25.920,0:38:30.300
why don't you humor me dick so we get
0:38:27.660,0:38:33.180
the blind out and I use Evergreen bows
0:38:30.300,0:38:37.560
okay for concealment and the way I have
0:38:33.180,0:38:40.079
them is is uh I bow them almost at a 45
0:38:37.560,0:38:42.000
degree angle inward towards the blind
0:38:40.079,0:38:44.640
where it's just like keeping with a hole
0:38:42.000,0:38:46.680
on the top okay and that way the birds
0:38:44.640,0:38:49.440
can't look in and see it from above
0:38:46.680,0:38:51.720
so what I did was I had like 20 of my
0:38:49.440,0:38:53.579
Crow decoys that I hang in the trees all
0:38:51.720,0:38:55.440
I did with them was I shook them out of
0:38:53.579,0:38:57.300
the bags and I took the tail end of the
0:38:55.440,0:38:58.980
decoys and I stuck them in the sandy
0:38:57.300,0:39:02.460
soil you know where they're right right
0:38:58.980,0:39:04.260
pretty good you know yeah and um and
0:39:02.460,0:39:09.480
because I don't have any Stakes on them
0:39:04.260,0:39:11.160
uh so uh not sufficed and uh we had a
0:39:09.480,0:39:13.020
heck of good I have pictures of that
0:39:11.160,0:39:15.780
particular shoe we had crows laying dead
0:39:13.020,0:39:17.339
all over the public place and um he said
0:39:15.780,0:39:19.440
to me he's like just don't understand
0:39:17.339,0:39:22.680
how they can buy it and I said to them
0:39:19.440,0:39:24.540
it's because birds don't analyze to them
0:39:22.680,0:39:26.460
all we looked like was just a little
0:39:24.540,0:39:27.839
evergreen tree growing up out here in
0:39:26.460,0:39:30.960
the middle of a field in the middle of
0:39:27.839,0:39:33.960
nowhere okay I've done the same thing
0:39:30.960,0:39:36.720
with guys years ago using my same Crow
0:39:33.960,0:39:39.359
blind we were hunting along this Creek
0:39:36.720,0:39:41.160
I'm driving my pickup truck and they
0:39:39.359,0:39:43.020
said well we can whistle up a tumbleweed
0:39:41.160,0:39:44.700
blind here to shoot these mallets this
0:39:43.020,0:39:45.839
is a good place that I used to hunt the
0:39:44.700,0:39:48.240
ducks at
0:39:45.839,0:39:50.099
and I said there's no need to do that I
0:39:48.240,0:39:51.839
said I got a nice canvas tarp on the
0:39:50.099,0:39:53.460
back we can be out of the wind and he
0:39:51.839,0:39:55.619
says they're never gonna buy this she
0:39:53.460,0:39:57.000
got this ever grind blind sitting right
0:39:55.619,0:39:58.560
in the middle of this Creek and
0:39:57.000,0:39:59.700
everything else is brown they're going
0:39:58.560,0:40:01.859
to pick it out
0:39:59.700,0:40:04.560
and I told him I said birds don't
0:40:01.859,0:40:06.900
analyze to them it's just another Bush
0:40:04.560,0:40:11.520
or another tree because it looks natural
0:40:06.900,0:40:13.800
so we throw out about 18 decoys and I
0:40:11.520,0:40:16.099
suffice to say we shot more than our
0:40:13.800,0:40:20.640
limit on that Creek that particular day
0:40:16.099,0:40:23.280
and uh at any rate he was just amazed
0:40:20.640,0:40:26.820
but here again it's just what you're
0:40:23.280,0:40:30.060
exposed to you know uh um who you know
0:40:26.820,0:40:32.640
what you're willing to try out uh even
0:40:30.060,0:40:34.859
as a matter of fact my old crow hunting
0:40:32.640,0:40:37.800
Mentor the first time I tried that with
0:40:34.859,0:40:39.420
him years ago since he was a gunsmith
0:40:37.800,0:40:42.300
this is when the crows were still here
0:40:39.420,0:40:45.180
in Kansas I hunted alone a lot when I
0:40:42.300,0:40:49.320
wasn't hunting with him so I did things
0:40:45.180,0:40:51.540
by myself by trial trial and error if it
0:40:49.320,0:40:53.040
messed up there was nothing lost you
0:40:51.540,0:40:55.200
know what I mean I learned a good lesson
0:40:53.040,0:40:58.020
this doesn't work and hey this does work
0:40:55.200,0:41:00.780
so the first time I did that with him he
0:40:58.020,0:41:02.160
was absolutely adamant saying this will
0:41:00.780,0:41:04.500
never work they're going to pick the
0:41:02.160,0:41:06.839
blind out but he said to me says you
0:41:04.500,0:41:08.520
know what he says he said I taught you
0:41:06.839,0:41:10.440
everything you know he says now you're
0:41:08.520,0:41:13.260
starting to teach me a few things there
0:41:10.440,0:41:14.940
you go that's good stuff well yeah I got
0:41:13.260,0:41:17.280
a couple more questions just about the
0:41:14.940,0:41:18.720
volume stuff just uh for clarity for
0:41:17.280,0:41:20.640
myself because you know I'm gonna you
0:41:18.720,0:41:22.380
know we have a crow season here in
0:41:20.640,0:41:24.900
Kentucky so as soon as it comes back in
0:41:22.380,0:41:26.400
you know I won't try I won't take this
0:41:24.900,0:41:28.740
knowledge I'm hearing from you I'm going
0:41:26.400,0:41:30.240
to put it put it to the test but say you
0:41:28.740,0:41:33.300
have crows coming in you know you
0:41:30.240,0:41:34.980
started calling and crows are coming
0:41:33.300,0:41:37.619
approaching and you were talking about
0:41:34.980,0:41:40.380
call volume so say you do have your call
0:41:37.619,0:41:42.660
running pretty loud uh if crows are
0:41:40.380,0:41:45.420
advancing to the call approaching you
0:41:42.660,0:41:48.119
what you're saying is there's no there's
0:41:45.420,0:41:49.859
no sense in either ramping the volume up
0:41:48.119,0:41:51.480
or ramping it down just keep it where it
0:41:49.859,0:41:54.180
is because they're already coming is
0:41:51.480,0:41:56.640
that correct that that's exactly right
0:41:54.180,0:41:59.040
another thing I've I've discovered too
0:41:56.640,0:42:03.359
is that sometimes there's certain volume
0:41:59.040,0:42:06.900
levels that they uh respond to better
0:42:03.359,0:42:09.300
than others I've noticed too yep yep
0:42:06.900,0:42:11.820
um you know whether it might be up full
0:42:09.300,0:42:13.440
blast it might be backed off just a
0:42:11.820,0:42:15.839
little bit from you know being full
0:42:13.440,0:42:18.240
blast and
0:42:15.839,0:42:20.940
when you when you hit a particular level
0:42:18.240,0:42:23.220
that that you know that they like leave
0:42:20.940,0:42:25.859
it there yeah yeah I got you I got you
0:42:23.220,0:42:28.079
and what about uh say you've been
0:42:25.859,0:42:30.060
calling for several minutes you don't
0:42:28.079,0:42:33.060
see a crow you don't hear a crow there's
0:42:30.060,0:42:34.800
nothing coming in will you just just
0:42:33.060,0:42:36.839
turn it off turn it up well I was going
0:42:34.800,0:42:39.060
to ask you do you do you take the chance
0:42:36.839,0:42:40.680
of running your call louder to see if
0:42:39.060,0:42:44.119
you can reach crows that are further
0:42:40.680,0:42:47.099
away so to speak or or just
0:42:44.119,0:42:49.619
if nothing's going on
0:42:47.099,0:42:52.680
what I do is I just hit the mute button
0:42:49.619,0:42:54.060
okay and um I'll just let it set for you
0:42:52.680,0:42:56.520
know a couple of minutes and just listen
0:42:54.060,0:42:59.220
see if I hear anything and I'm
0:42:56.520,0:43:02.220
especially watching too to see if I see
0:42:59.220,0:43:04.560
any activity downwind of me okay and
0:43:02.220,0:43:06.960
here's another good example
0:43:04.560,0:43:08.760
um this place that I used to hunt out of
0:43:06.960,0:43:10.920
state when I was with my old part and
0:43:08.760,0:43:14.940
Jim Lundquist
0:43:10.920,0:43:16.680
and uh this particular spot was uh five
0:43:14.940,0:43:19.200
miles
0:43:16.680,0:43:21.599
um from the crow Roost and they had a
0:43:19.200,0:43:24.000
big feed yard where they used to feed a
0:43:21.599,0:43:26.460
lot of livestock they uh you know
0:43:24.000,0:43:28.200
um you know they have livestock come in
0:43:26.460,0:43:30.480
at a certain weight feed them bunch of
0:43:28.200,0:43:31.859
corn get them up to a certain weight and
0:43:30.480,0:43:33.359
then they'd send them off the
0:43:31.859,0:43:35.220
slaughterhouse well
0:43:33.359,0:43:38.700
good
0:43:35.220,0:43:41.760
the Crow's habits in the afternoon
0:43:38.700,0:43:45.319
they would come into this feed yard from
0:43:41.760,0:43:48.240
the west southwest than where the uh
0:43:45.319,0:43:51.359
Roost was was about North Northeast of
0:43:48.240,0:43:53.880
my position so I'd have the caller off
0:43:51.359,0:43:56.220
and I'd see a bunch of you know 20 25
0:43:53.880,0:43:58.260
Birds heading toward the speed yard and
0:43:56.220,0:44:00.900
I'd see them hovering over it boy I'd
0:43:58.260,0:44:03.119
flipped the collar on I was maybe 175
0:44:00.900,0:44:05.460
yards from the feed yard here they'd
0:44:03.119,0:44:07.440
come bing bang bang bang you shoot a few
0:44:05.460,0:44:09.900
of them get a few of them dead on the
0:44:07.440,0:44:11.760
ground some of them would Retreat and go
0:44:09.900,0:44:13.980
back to the feed yard some of them would
0:44:11.760,0:44:14.880
continue on in the direction of the
0:44:13.980,0:44:16.859
roost
0:44:14.880,0:44:20.099
few minutes later here come another
0:44:16.859,0:44:21.780
Bunch you know 5 10 15 20 Birds I
0:44:20.099,0:44:23.940
flipped the collar on here they'd come
0:44:21.780,0:44:26.520
bing bang bang boom you got a few more
0:44:23.940,0:44:28.740
get on the ground right this would
0:44:26.520,0:44:31.560
continue like this for about two and a
0:44:28.740,0:44:33.960
half to three hours and the last hour
0:44:31.560,0:44:35.700
that's when that's when you get the most
0:44:33.960,0:44:37.619
shooting because that's when the move is
0:44:35.700,0:44:39.660
really on because there's not a lot of
0:44:37.619,0:44:41.760
light left I know those birds are moving
0:44:39.660,0:44:44.520
toward the roof you've got to get home
0:44:41.760,0:44:46.440
and by that time you know you've already
0:44:44.520,0:44:48.660
got you know a couple hundred birds or
0:44:46.440,0:44:50.940
more done on the ground so when you're
0:44:48.660,0:44:52.500
turning that collar on any of them that
0:44:50.940,0:44:54.000
are going toward the roost they got to
0:44:52.500,0:44:56.040
kind of go through you to get back
0:44:54.000,0:44:57.540
toward the roof anyway they're going to
0:44:56.040,0:45:00.900
come over you to see what all the
0:44:57.540,0:45:03.060
commotions about and in situations like
0:45:00.900,0:45:06.540
that that's where lung quest and I we
0:45:03.060,0:45:08.220
used to shoot uh basically in volleys uh
0:45:06.540,0:45:10.740
one guy would shoot until his gun was
0:45:08.220,0:45:12.960
empty and he'd just yell out he'd get
0:45:10.740,0:45:15.119
down I'd get up I'd shoot till my gun
0:45:12.960,0:45:18.000
was empty I'd go out and then he'd get
0:45:15.119,0:45:19.800
back up again he'd be reloaded with a
0:45:18.000,0:45:22.380
few rounds that's right that's exactly
0:45:19.800,0:45:23.880
you know if you got two guys who can
0:45:22.380,0:45:27.000
shoot well
0:45:23.880,0:45:29.400
um and everybody shoots better I don't
0:45:27.000,0:45:31.740
care who you are you shoot better when
0:45:29.400,0:45:33.480
you got all the birds to yourself where
0:45:31.740,0:45:36.540
you can take when you're talking about
0:45:33.480,0:45:39.420
multiple kills where where you know you
0:45:36.540,0:45:42.740
can shoot anywhere from two to four or
0:45:39.420,0:45:45.900
sometimes even uh five
0:45:42.740,0:45:48.119
but generally if the birds get set up
0:45:45.900,0:45:49.859
right if you can shoot a good shooter
0:45:48.119,0:45:51.480
can usually knock off three or four of
0:45:49.859,0:45:53.400
them like that you start doing that
0:45:51.480,0:45:56.040
every time you come up I'm telling you
0:45:53.400,0:45:58.859
what you could pile up a bunch of crows
0:45:56.040,0:46:00.980
in in one hour's time it sounds like my
0:45:58.859,0:46:05.040
sounds like my type of hunt plenty of
0:46:00.980,0:46:07.680
opportunities I like it yeah
0:46:05.040,0:46:09.119
well is there ever is there ever a time
0:46:07.680,0:46:10.920
and I'm sure it's probably going to have
0:46:09.119,0:46:12.720
to do with with windy days because is
0:46:10.920,0:46:16.260
there ever a time that you do run your
0:46:12.720,0:46:20.400
call uh the fox Pro close to full volume
0:46:16.260,0:46:22.680
oh absolutely on uh on Breezy days when
0:46:20.400,0:46:25.140
you're talking uh
0:46:22.680,0:46:27.359
um you know uh when I say Breezy my
0:46:25.140,0:46:30.420
Breezy might not be your Breezy but my
0:46:27.359,0:46:34.680
Breezy is 10 to 20 miles an hour
0:46:30.420,0:46:37.619
um I had a day uh last year where uh man
0:46:34.680,0:46:41.460
the wind was it was flown steady 20
0:46:37.619,0:46:44.280
miles an hour yeah with gusts up to 30.
0:46:41.460,0:46:46.980
and you gotta have you have got to have
0:46:44.280,0:46:49.260
the right type of spot in order to do
0:46:46.980,0:46:52.560
any good in a situation like that I mean
0:46:49.260,0:46:54.599
really out of the wind not only that but
0:46:52.560,0:46:56.700
the crows got to read really out of the
0:46:54.599,0:46:58.200
wind when they come in otherwise with a
0:46:56.700,0:47:00.960
wind that strong
0:46:58.200,0:47:02.819
you get one good shot and then one flip
0:47:00.960,0:47:05.119
and they are gone brother you know what
0:47:02.819,0:47:07.220
I mean that's the first shot yep
0:47:05.119,0:47:10.020
so
0:47:07.220,0:47:13.380
here again it depends on how well a guy
0:47:10.020,0:47:15.660
knows the country and knowing where he
0:47:13.380,0:47:17.700
can get in certain hunting situations
0:47:15.660,0:47:20.040
and then of course
0:47:17.700,0:47:22.020
you have to have the birds going through
0:47:20.040,0:47:23.460
that particular area in order to get a
0:47:22.020,0:47:25.260
shot at them in the first place so you
0:47:23.460,0:47:27.720
know there are so many variables but
0:47:25.260,0:47:31.200
when you have things really line up for
0:47:27.720,0:47:33.180
you when uh you know when when you
0:47:31.200,0:47:35.280
really have them at your advantage
0:47:33.180,0:47:37.380
that's where I just keep shooting them
0:47:35.280,0:47:39.480
and I I'll tell you a a good
0:47:37.380,0:47:41.700
illustration of that and the reason why
0:47:39.480,0:47:43.200
I do it why any Crow Hunter does it is
0:47:41.700,0:47:45.300
because of all the beatings you take
0:47:43.200,0:47:47.339
during the season
0:47:45.300,0:47:49.800
um where you know conditions just aren't
0:47:47.339,0:47:52.619
right you can't fight the weather
0:47:49.800,0:47:54.780
um back in 2010 I had the largest Crow
0:47:52.619,0:47:57.000
hunt I ever had in my life
0:47:54.780,0:48:00.839
solo Crow hunt that is
0:47:57.000,0:48:03.359
and from about 7 45 in the morning until
0:48:00.839,0:48:07.319
about 3 30 that afternoon
0:48:03.359,0:48:10.260
I fired 1150 trapped loads from one
0:48:07.319,0:48:13.380
location never moved a step all day long
0:48:10.260,0:48:15.240
I was in the same is that all out of the
0:48:13.380,0:48:16.940
same shotgun you had that thing melted
0:48:15.240,0:48:20.280
down yeah yeah
0:48:16.940,0:48:23.040
I had a I had a pair of guns but that I
0:48:20.280,0:48:26.940
was using but a pair of gas operated
0:48:23.040,0:48:29.520
varietas and uh but I shot 834 crows in
0:48:26.940,0:48:31.980
one spot and I had to go back to the
0:48:29.520,0:48:35.460
pickup truck twice to get more ammo so
0:48:31.980,0:48:38.880
what I did was I'd go back to what I do
0:48:35.460,0:48:42.420
is I start out with I got a blind back
0:48:38.880,0:48:46.079
that holds uh about 350 rounds of
0:48:42.420,0:48:47.700
ammunition and then I keep another bag
0:48:46.079,0:48:49.319
outside the blind with a couple of
0:48:47.700,0:48:51.359
hundred rounds in it
0:48:49.319,0:48:53.099
where I can make a short run grab it
0:48:51.359,0:48:55.140
bracket bring it back on the blind well
0:48:53.099,0:48:56.460
I went through all that ammo had to go
0:48:55.140,0:48:59.640
back to the truck
0:48:56.460,0:49:01.680
got more ammo drove the truck back to
0:48:59.640,0:49:03.660
the blind took two Flats dumped it on
0:49:01.680,0:49:05.579
the top of a seven gallon bucket inside
0:49:03.660,0:49:07.980
the blind had to drive the truck back
0:49:05.579,0:49:10.260
again run back to The Blind Side you're
0:49:07.980,0:49:15.500
losing time like all the time you've got
0:49:10.260,0:49:15.500
Birds movie you know yep at any rate
0:49:16.440,0:49:21.300
had to go back again and get more ammo
0:49:18.599,0:49:24.720
after that so at the end of the day with
0:49:21.300,0:49:26.400
the 1150 track lobes that I shot and
0:49:24.720,0:49:28.140
that's also including you know having to
0:49:26.400,0:49:31.020
shoot cripples over on the ground and
0:49:28.140,0:49:32.940
all that kind of stuff that was one heck
0:49:31.020,0:49:35.339
of a day but I just kept on shooting
0:49:32.940,0:49:38.700
until either the crows were gonna quit
0:49:35.339,0:49:40.740
or I couldn't shoot anymore well when
0:49:38.700,0:49:42.420
the smoke When the Smoke cleared how
0:49:40.740,0:49:45.780
many crows was laying dead on the ground
0:49:42.420,0:49:49.140
there was yeah there was 834. man that's
0:49:45.780,0:49:51.240
crazy so you shot 1150 shots and had
0:49:49.140,0:49:54.780
over 800 crows laying dead on the ground
0:49:51.240,0:49:56.640
yeah and then uh pretty good then there
0:49:54.780,0:49:57.599
was another shoot that I had where it
0:49:56.640,0:50:02.220
run
0:49:57.599,0:50:05.280
I went out in the morning and I shot 568
0:50:02.220,0:50:08.579
up until about 1 30 in the afternoon
0:50:05.280,0:50:10.800
and then I went out uh later that
0:50:08.579,0:50:12.240
afternoon and set up again on a
0:50:10.800,0:50:14.339
different bunch of birds shot another
0:50:12.240,0:50:18.900
143
0:50:14.339,0:50:20.760
and I wound up with 711 with 895 rounds
0:50:18.900,0:50:22.560
of admittition shooting that day those
0:50:20.760,0:50:24.780
are my two best days that I've had but
0:50:22.560,0:50:27.900
I've had other days
0:50:24.780,0:50:31.319
um you know solo Hunts by myself where
0:50:27.900,0:50:33.599
I've shot over 500 and some in the
0:50:31.319,0:50:35.760
partnership of other people uh like that
0:50:33.599,0:50:37.920
guy Jim one question I Jim one question
0:50:35.760,0:50:41.700
I had five or six shoots over the years
0:50:37.920,0:50:43.980
over 600 together but I had one with
0:50:41.700,0:50:47.160
Boyd Roberson my Crow hunting Mentor
0:50:43.980,0:50:48.720
this is back in the early 1980s the two
0:50:47.160,0:50:52.559
of us
0:50:48.720,0:50:55.819
um we shot 859 crows in one spot all day
0:50:52.559,0:51:00.319
long never move this stuff man
0:50:55.819,0:51:00.319
your shoulder must be made out of steel
0:51:04.819,0:51:11.520
I got a question for you about about
0:51:08.280,0:51:14.160
calling again and I think I know
0:51:11.520,0:51:17.220
pretty much the one of the answers but
0:51:14.160,0:51:19.380
it's it's how long do you call a certain
0:51:17.220,0:51:21.300
area say a certain setup before you
0:51:19.380,0:51:23.700
change locations and I'm sure if the
0:51:21.300,0:51:24.900
birds if you've got crows flying in
0:51:23.700,0:51:26.339
you're going to keep calling until
0:51:24.900,0:51:28.500
you're either out of ammo or the Birds
0:51:26.339,0:51:30.300
quit flying right but what about what
0:51:28.500,0:51:32.220
about these times
0:51:30.300,0:51:34.020
like you've been you've been calling and
0:51:32.220,0:51:35.579
no crows are coming what what's the
0:51:34.020,0:51:39.059
cutoff Point say hey this spot ain't
0:51:35.579,0:51:43.140
working I need to move on somewhere else
0:51:39.059,0:51:46.619
what I usually do I usually give it uh
0:51:43.140,0:51:48.780
generally about two hours most guys will
0:51:46.619,0:51:50.819
give it an hour and quit but sometimes
0:51:48.780,0:51:52.980
you can quit too early you know
0:51:50.819,0:51:55.980
sometimes you can just have a low in
0:51:52.980,0:51:59.579
there okay and you learn from experience
0:51:55.980,0:52:02.520
here again here's another example
0:51:59.579,0:52:04.500
me and my Crow hunting Mentor we're out
0:52:02.520,0:52:06.079
hunting this is back in the 70s when
0:52:04.500,0:52:08.520
they had the crows here
0:52:06.079,0:52:09.720
locally before I had to go out of state
0:52:08.520,0:52:10.800
all the time
0:52:09.720,0:52:13.619
okay
0:52:10.800,0:52:16.859
it was around six o'clock and Boyd was
0:52:13.619,0:52:18.780
saying man he says uh we're just in the
0:52:16.859,0:52:20.339
wrong spot there's nothing moving the
0:52:18.780,0:52:22.920
birds ought to be pouring through here
0:52:20.339,0:52:25.319
by now because at that time of year by
0:52:22.920,0:52:28.920
seven o'clock 7 15 it was already
0:52:25.319,0:52:31.079
getting real Dusty so he just knew man
0:52:28.920,0:52:33.240
we're in the wrong spot we're getting
0:52:31.079,0:52:35.760
all the blind packed up get all the
0:52:33.240,0:52:37.079
decoys back in the darn truck and yeah
0:52:35.760,0:52:40.260
yeah
0:52:37.079,0:52:42.660
6 30 we're just about ready to leave
0:52:40.260,0:52:44.819
here come the damn crows for crying out
0:52:42.660,0:52:46.980
loud we quit too soon right and what
0:52:44.819,0:52:50.880
happened was what we failed to realize
0:52:46.980,0:52:53.400
was was that it was such a nice day
0:52:50.880,0:52:55.920
that the crows just stayed out much
0:52:53.400,0:52:57.900
later that they normally do and we
0:52:55.920,0:52:59.880
thought we were in the wrong spot and we
0:52:57.900,0:53:02.400
were in the right spot and all we did
0:52:59.880,0:53:04.319
was just watch hundreds and hundreds and
0:53:02.400,0:53:07.500
hundreds of them flying right over where
0:53:04.319,0:53:09.180
our blood was right right you learned
0:53:07.500,0:53:10.800
from experience that's why I say I
0:53:09.180,0:53:12.300
usually give it a couple of hours but
0:53:10.800,0:53:16.079
sometimes you don't want to quit too
0:53:12.300,0:53:17.099
soon but you also learn too from hunting
0:53:16.079,0:53:20.160
an area
0:53:17.099,0:53:22.440
what to do and what not to do and that's
0:53:20.160,0:53:24.300
a good example right there like if you
0:53:22.440,0:53:26.220
really know the area well nothing's
0:53:24.300,0:53:28.200
going on after about an hour then you
0:53:26.220,0:53:29.880
can with confidence say we're just
0:53:28.200,0:53:33.000
spinning our Wheels here it's time to
0:53:29.880,0:53:35.520
hold up the tent and move okay okay yeah
0:53:33.000,0:53:37.500
that's that's great not because you know
0:53:35.520,0:53:39.540
me in the coyote world and you know
0:53:37.500,0:53:40.980
we're usually calling mostly coyotes you
0:53:39.540,0:53:42.359
know every once while you get on Bobcat
0:53:40.980,0:53:44.040
Sands and stuff like that you know for
0:53:42.359,0:53:46.319
Kyle Colin we're calling anywhere from
0:53:44.040,0:53:48.720
15 sometimes just 10 minutes it's up to
0:53:46.319,0:53:50.040
30 minutes and then we're we're packing
0:53:48.720,0:53:52.020
up and leaving so that's really good
0:53:50.040,0:53:53.520
stuff I'm glad you you mentioned how
0:53:52.020,0:53:54.839
long you're actually staying on stand
0:53:53.520,0:53:56.940
because I never would have thought two
0:53:54.839,0:53:58.440
hours but it totally makes sense so
0:53:56.940,0:54:00.599
thank you thank you for it but always
0:53:58.440,0:54:02.640
pretty good stuff I got another question
0:54:00.599,0:54:04.859
about setup
0:54:02.640,0:54:06.540
um you know it's about Stan selection
0:54:04.859,0:54:09.780
how you hey what what do you actually
0:54:06.540,0:54:11.940
look for and and tell us about like
0:54:09.780,0:54:13.680
morning versus evening do you like
0:54:11.940,0:54:16.200
mornings hunting the mornings better
0:54:13.680,0:54:17.819
midday uh late in the day in the
0:54:16.200,0:54:19.680
evenings I know it all can be good but
0:54:17.819,0:54:20.819
what's your preference if the birds are
0:54:19.680,0:54:22.680
flying I guess you're just going to stay
0:54:20.819,0:54:24.660
after them but what have you found to be
0:54:22.680,0:54:27.359
your favorite times to be hunting during
0:54:24.660,0:54:29.099
the day the favorite times is when the
0:54:27.359,0:54:31.260
birds are moving right that's more
0:54:29.099,0:54:33.200
that's mornings and that's late
0:54:31.260,0:54:35.940
afternoons
0:54:33.200,0:54:38.339
and those are the principal times when
0:54:35.940,0:54:40.740
the birds are moving for instance uh
0:54:38.339,0:54:42.900
I'll give you a good example of that you
0:54:40.740,0:54:44.940
can get into a crow Rich area I'm
0:54:42.900,0:54:47.520
talking where you've got
0:54:44.940,0:54:49.260
you know thousands upon thousands of
0:54:47.520,0:54:50.940
birds to work with if you can go out
0:54:49.260,0:54:52.380
there say around noon time you can be
0:54:50.940,0:54:53.760
driving around the countryside and
0:54:52.380,0:54:56.160
you're going well
0:54:53.760,0:54:58.020
son of a gun there's not a damn whole
0:54:56.160,0:55:00.000
crow in this whole area that's because
0:54:58.020,0:55:02.040
you're in an area where they're not
0:55:00.000,0:55:03.660
feeding they might be feeding 20 miles
0:55:02.040,0:55:06.059
from where you're at I might be fine
0:55:03.660,0:55:07.380
they might be feeding five miles from
0:55:06.059,0:55:09.660
where you're at you're not going to know
0:55:07.380,0:55:11.819
it unless you start circling around and
0:55:09.660,0:55:14.460
finding Casino see if you've got any
0:55:11.819,0:55:16.740
birds in the area but
0:55:14.460,0:55:19.200
um you get out there in the morning
0:55:16.740,0:55:21.240
now here's here's one tactic that I use
0:55:19.200,0:55:23.520
I was driving down this blacktop Highway
0:55:21.240,0:55:27.720
one day I was on my way
0:55:23.520,0:55:30.599
to a hunting ground of mine and I was
0:55:27.720,0:55:32.880
probably uh a hundred miles from my
0:55:30.599,0:55:35.700
destination I hadn't gotten to the area
0:55:32.880,0:55:38.819
yet and uh you know I had I hadn't got
0:55:35.700,0:55:40.680
my uh equipment in the motel room yet I
0:55:38.819,0:55:42.960
was just you know leisurely driving down
0:55:40.680,0:55:46.079
the road I see all these crows coming
0:55:42.960,0:55:49.020
from the south crossing this Blacktop
0:55:46.079,0:55:50.640
so I decided myself home I smoked so
0:55:49.020,0:55:53.760
what I did was
0:55:50.640,0:55:55.559
I started backtracking just I put the
0:55:53.760,0:55:57.240
pedal to the metal to find out where
0:55:55.559,0:55:58.559
these birds were coming from Brother
0:55:57.240,0:56:00.780
okay
0:55:58.559,0:56:04.680
so I found out where they were roosting
0:56:00.780,0:56:07.079
at where the Boost was itself right once
0:56:04.680,0:56:09.420
I established that
0:56:07.079,0:56:11.040
then what I did was I started getting
0:56:09.420,0:56:13.859
permission
0:56:11.040,0:56:15.599
on different types of property just
0:56:13.859,0:56:18.680
south of that blacktop which was
0:56:15.599,0:56:21.480
probably in my estimation probably
0:56:18.680,0:56:23.880
uh I'm guessing probably half to three
0:56:21.480,0:56:26.520
quarters of a mile from that Roost
0:56:23.880,0:56:28.760
and then in the afternoon when they came
0:56:26.520,0:56:28.760
back
0:56:29.160,0:56:33.599
I just went ahead and knocked the
0:56:30.960,0:56:35.460
Dickens out of them but uh you know
0:56:33.599,0:56:37.319
sometimes guys run across stuff like
0:56:35.460,0:56:40.440
that and it was just a fluke I happened
0:56:37.319,0:56:41.700
to be going through the this area right
0:56:40.440,0:56:46.200
time of day
0:56:41.700,0:56:48.300
but uh I had enough experience to know
0:56:46.200,0:56:50.220
hey if you see this amount of birds you
0:56:48.300,0:56:52.440
know they're coming from somewhere once
0:56:50.220,0:56:54.540
you establish where the roost is at you
0:56:52.440,0:56:57.300
know where they're going back to then
0:56:54.540,0:56:59.280
it's a matter of positioning yourself to
0:56:57.300,0:57:01.319
shoot the birds that they got to go
0:56:59.280,0:57:02.880
through you first going back to the roof
0:57:01.319,0:57:05.160
but you leave the roost alone because
0:57:02.880,0:57:07.260
that's your drawing card I got you well
0:57:05.160,0:57:09.240
that's that's good stuff stuff Bob I
0:57:07.260,0:57:10.559
appreciate that that's that's excellent
0:57:09.240,0:57:12.359
info because I've actually you know as
0:57:10.559,0:57:15.300
you're talking about this I know spots
0:57:12.359,0:57:16.500
where I see crows come off a roost in
0:57:15.300,0:57:18.240
the mornings and you know I've never
0:57:16.500,0:57:20.339
really thought about it being a rue site
0:57:18.240,0:57:21.900
that they would come you know go there
0:57:20.339,0:57:24.059
in the evenings and you know I didn't
0:57:21.900,0:57:25.380
put two and two together so I've already
0:57:24.059,0:57:26.940
started thinking about a few things
0:57:25.380,0:57:28.380
where I'd start doing some Crow calling
0:57:26.940,0:57:30.660
so it's good stuff
0:57:28.380,0:57:32.160
um Bob I got two more questions for you
0:57:30.660,0:57:35.040
before we wrap it up starting to run out
0:57:32.160,0:57:36.240
of time here and and uh this is going to
0:57:35.040,0:57:38.339
be about equipment
0:57:36.240,0:57:40.619
first off is I want to know what's your
0:57:38.339,0:57:42.000
favorite Foxpro unit is what what unit
0:57:40.619,0:57:44.400
do you like taking out there in the
0:57:42.000,0:57:47.760
field and use them for Crow calling I
0:57:44.400,0:57:49.859
have the uh the uh the fox Pro snow at
0:57:47.760,0:57:52.079
and it's the one with the uh with the
0:57:49.859,0:57:54.960
two batteries I had the one originally
0:57:52.079,0:57:57.960
years and years ago with one uh that
0:57:54.960,0:58:01.500
tells one uh 12 volt dry cell battery
0:57:57.960,0:58:03.480
and what I used to do is
0:58:01.500,0:58:05.400
with that unit
0:58:03.480,0:58:06.900
I used to always have to carry an extra
0:58:05.400,0:58:09.000
battery with me
0:58:06.900,0:58:10.500
because it wouldn't last the whole day
0:58:09.000,0:58:13.740
when you'd be running that at high
0:58:10.500,0:58:16.920
volume so now once box Pro came out
0:58:13.740,0:58:19.380
with the second snow Crow Pro with the
0:58:16.920,0:58:21.119
two batteries in it that's all it took
0:58:19.380,0:58:23.160
those things you can run them all bloody
0:58:21.119,0:58:25.700
day long you got no problem awesome
0:58:23.160,0:58:28.020
awesome so that's a perfect unit for you
0:58:25.700,0:58:30.359
another thing too is if you're going to
0:58:28.020,0:58:36.200
be using that collar a lot what I would
0:58:30.359,0:58:36.200
recommend is is um every two years
0:58:36.240,0:58:40.319
go ahead and change those batteries out
0:58:38.520,0:58:43.440
I don't care how good they run or not
0:58:40.319,0:58:45.900
because sooner or later down you know
0:58:43.440,0:58:48.180
right when you need it so what I do is
0:58:45.900,0:58:49.859
every two years I get your first brand
0:58:48.180,0:58:52.559
new batteries fresh out of batteries
0:58:49.859,0:58:55.260
that's good stuff yeah for sure now tell
0:58:52.559,0:58:59.400
us about uh what about your preference
0:58:55.260,0:59:01.020
for shotgun gauge shot size and choke
0:58:59.400,0:59:02.640
tube selection while you're running on
0:59:01.020,0:59:06.660
these Crow hunts
0:59:02.640,0:59:10.619
well uh here again most of the time
0:59:06.660,0:59:14.579
um uh I like the tighter choke
0:59:10.619,0:59:16.920
um but you you also have to be uh a more
0:59:14.579,0:59:19.380
proficient shotgunner in order to use
0:59:16.920,0:59:21.119
the tighter chokes in close because
0:59:19.380,0:59:23.339
you're handicapping yourself of course
0:59:21.119,0:59:25.380
of course you're talking about you like
0:59:23.339,0:59:27.059
to have like a pool like a fool choke is
0:59:25.380,0:59:29.520
what you're saying right but the tighter
0:59:27.059,0:59:32.040
chokes are an advantage to an
0:59:29.520,0:59:34.500
accomplished shotgun or big case he has
0:59:32.040,0:59:36.599
the right gun on the hand no matter what
0:59:34.500,0:59:38.160
they are to jump a shot you know within
0:59:36.599,0:59:39.359
reason I'm talking about you know right
0:59:38.160,0:59:42.420
of course
0:59:39.359,0:59:44.880
um but uh even me myself what I will do
0:59:42.420,0:59:49.559
is uh uh especially when I'm hunting
0:59:44.880,0:59:52.079
alone is uh uh early in the season
0:59:49.559,0:59:55.819
a lot of times I'll put an improved
0:59:52.079,1:00:00.540
cylinder in the darn shotgun
0:59:55.819,1:00:02.099
you have much more uh uh uh leeway you
1:00:00.540,1:00:05.119
know for slop you know what I'm saying
1:00:02.099,1:00:05.119
oh yeah I got plans
1:00:05.880,1:00:09.960
you know you got to Bear down a lot more
1:00:07.980,1:00:12.359
with the tighter chokes when they get in
1:00:09.960,1:00:14.160
close so you're talking about multiple
1:00:12.359,1:00:16.319
kills where where they're more open
1:00:14.160,1:00:19.680
choke I mean you can just annihilate
1:00:16.319,1:00:22.260
them but by and large uh when you're
1:00:19.680,1:00:24.240
talking about shot size what has worked
1:00:22.260,1:00:26.880
for me for decades
1:00:24.240,1:00:28.500
is seven and a half and number eights
1:00:26.880,1:00:30.359
and even number nines
1:00:28.500,1:00:33.359
um as a matter of fact in
1:00:30.359,1:00:35.700
uh I've got it on YouTube uh where it
1:00:33.359,1:00:38.040
says Bob Aronson shoots this hundred
1:00:35.700,1:00:39.299
thousandth Crow we shot that film
1:00:38.040,1:00:43.799
footage
1:00:39.299,1:00:46.559
in uh 2001. and in that I'm shooting at
1:00:43.799,1:00:48.960
20 gauge a lot out of that blind and
1:00:46.559,1:00:51.660
some of those crows that I was shooting
1:00:48.960,1:00:53.940
were shot with number nines I even made
1:00:51.660,1:00:56.099
a comment on one shot it even surprised
1:00:53.940,1:01:00.180
me how far the nine should kill him yep
1:00:56.099,1:01:03.059
so but uh uh for the greater most part
1:01:00.180,1:01:05.520
seven and a half's and eight and once I
1:01:03.059,1:01:08.339
started traveling I started going to
1:01:05.520,1:01:11.579
mainly 12 gauge and the reason why that
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is is because every time when I hunt out
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of state you've got to have at least a
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backup gun in case you have gun trouble
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so if I was shooting two different
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gauges it meant I had to take four
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shotguns instead of two so it was just
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it was more chaotic it's a lot simpler
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for me now just shooting a straight 12
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gauge and I carry nothing but 12 gauge
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ammunition with me in the vehicle and
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it's all in seven and a half so number
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eights and it's just a track load either
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a one and one eighth ounce load or a one
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float either one the one ounce loads
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work great on the crows two out of a 12
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gauge awesome right and there's no sense
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of shooting anything like a super heavy
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Magnum type load and stuff like that
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because yeah you're talking about you
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getting those times you're shooting over
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a thousand rounds you can you know Kelly
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if you want to go ahead and shoot buck
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shot at them if you want to if that
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floats your boat but I'm telling you
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don't need to serve you will serve you
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very very well so you're shooting at
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you're shooting a 12 gauge is is right
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up your alley with yes
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you either modified improved Modified
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full choke those are all good chokes
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that are served you well improved
1:02:19.920,1:02:23.780
cylinder will serve you well too you
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know but you got to make calling them
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otherwise I say well you know if I shoot
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improved cylinder I'm going to be losing
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out
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longer shots right I said so take two
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guns and put them in the blind that's
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right when you've got Birds working in
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close grab the one with the improved
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cylinder yeah if you got a further shot
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grab the other shotgun and I did that
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too for years and years and years
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awesome awesome well Bob we appreciate
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you coming on this is tons of
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information just like I said definitely
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the authority on Crow calling and you
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know I've tried to ask different people
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that I know have done a little bit for
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Crow con trying to get some pointers and
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stuff and I mean I've I've learned I've
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learned a ton from this podcast right
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here I'm sure glad you came on Bob and
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we really appreciate you you got
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anything you'd like to to leave us with
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before we sign off well John all I can
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say is I mean it's it's been a pleasure
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uh done well by me awesome it's we
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appreciate you Bob and if anybody's
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interested in in Crow calling you think
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