FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Al Morris cover strategies that help them be success calling more coyotes throughout the fall season.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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fall coyote calling welcome to the
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Foxpro podcast on this episode We've Got
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Big Al Morris on the line how's it going
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Al
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good how are you John Collins going
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pretty good I talked to you there
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earlier you said you've been out out at
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the range uh making sure your rifles are
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still on you got a big trip coming up
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don't you well me and Tom are gonna head
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north we're gonna we're gonna go try and
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call some oils for a couple days and if
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we can't get on the Wolves we're gonna
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go kill coyotes but you know when you're
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calling wolves you can't shoot the
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coyotes and so we're gonna dedicate a
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couple days see if we can find them see
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if we can get close see if we can we
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would put seven on video in one day and
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never got none of them killed and it was
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just a series of
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stupid events and man if we can go just
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get one to commit
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um I'm gonna put that 6'5 Creedmoor to
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work well I hope you all get into them
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that's for sure that's a I think that's
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a dream hunt for any coyote caller any
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predator Hunter is is get on a wolf
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especially calling one in so I'll be
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rooting for you guys that's for sure
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yeah I know you get you've got kind of
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always called myself a wolfer because
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that was always the the guys that did
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the trapping did the shooting all the
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all the government guys they were kind
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of known as wolfers and I think to be a
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true wolfer you got to shoot a wolf
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don't you I would I would think so I
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would be able to call yourself fat but
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hey I do have to say one thing you know
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I interviewed uh your hunting partner
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there Tom Austin a few weeks ago and I
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asked him I said I said tell me Tom
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y'all setting up on a wolf stand you're
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calling and here comes a coyote or two
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running in I said did they get a pass or
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not and his quote was right from Tom
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Austin said hey we're hunting with Al
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nothing gets a pass
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it's uh it's really hard for me to one
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especially up there in Idaho Montana
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you're calling in those big fluffy
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coyotes and even now they'll be they're
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already starting to wool up now and man
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when you call in one of them big coyotes
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a few years ago we called in a double
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and we we had wolves on camera in this
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area and man we called in a double and
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and I probably shot them both right out
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just because I couldn't walk I asked to
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prove that you know that Wyoming Montana
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Idaho Oregon all that stuff up in there
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is you know you get this time you're in
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coyotes or they are they look pretty
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fluffy they kind of stay a little fluffy
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year round so I they're well if they
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don't they they freeze and and it's just
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and it's so much public land don't you
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wish everybody would understand how much
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public land they have access to and they
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just go
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uh you know several States Utah Nevada
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Wyoming Montana no license requirements
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whatsoever right right and and it's open
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to everybody we all own it you know you
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own it and that that's the other thing
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we got to remember is that's our land
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and when these people dictate to us what
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we can do on our own land that's when
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you got to draw a line these states that
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want to do away with contest calling and
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and stuff it's just man we need to stay
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together on this no doubt no doubt well
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tell me how your range Day You Went
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could you hit anything how far out did
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you shoot shoot your rifle well I've got
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a couple little metal coyote targets and
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and I took that six five Creedmoor with
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that 95 grain V-Max I've been you know I
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I called you last week and I said what
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did you think about do you think that 95
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degree grain V-Max is enough to to thump
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a wolf
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and at three and four hundred yards when
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I'd hit that little metal Target I'd
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have to go set it back up sometimes
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because that 95 grain V-Max is slapping
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it so hard and I had metal stakes
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holding it up but damn it's hitting so
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hard it'll knock that metal right over
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it 400 yards man I don't think you'll
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have any trouble at all I mean how many
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deer
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even help has been have been dispatched
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with a 6'5 Creed I mean I don't want to
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be I don't want to be here yeah I don't
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want to be a wolf against within 400
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yards a Big Al Morris next week
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well I uh I you know I was trying to
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decide between the 143 eldx's got some
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147 ELD matches and then got them 95
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grain V-Max and I just think that 95
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that V-Max bullet was designed for
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varmint slash coyote slash and you know
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I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a deer with
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it I wouldn't I just it's so devastating
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on coyotes and like I said I've yet to
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shoot a wolf with it but I'm gonna try
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and find out nah thank you I think it'll
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be money like I said hopefully hopefully
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you guys get into them but on this
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episode we're going to discuss fall
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coyote calling we're in mid-september
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now when this time frame rolls around
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the family groups have you know kind of
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started to string out a bit the
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yearlings are out hunting on their own
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now and even though the family members
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are stringing out they're usually
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staying in the same general area this is
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Al this is an awesome time to be a
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coyote caller using the action is
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extremely fast and you can really stack
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up those doubles triples and quads you
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know it's just a great time of year to
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get in those multiples now is the time
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there's the more coyotes right now I
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mean from the moment they're born they
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start dying you know they can get parvo
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they can get this temper you know
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there's all kinds of things kill pups
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and you know men guys in June July say
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man I heard a ton of coyotes and then
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September rolls around and everybody
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wonders where their coyotes went well
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sometimes those those uh parvo and
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distempers will run through an area and
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wipe out your pup population it doesn't
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affect the adults as much right but uh
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but this time of year if they've
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successfully evaded getting too many
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fleas getting that to parvo or that disc
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tamper
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um it is the most coyotes and this is
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the time of year of the dispersal which
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is fascinating when I listen to you talk
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to uh Corey cook there of mfk game calls
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and and how he you know watches these
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coyotes start their dispersal how they
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start getting ornery with each other
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there in July and August and now we're
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in September October I know this is when
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Mom dad kick the pups out right and
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those pups the only reason they kick the
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pups out is then pups aren't really
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hanging out with them anymore anyway
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they're kind of on their own these pups
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have already learned how to hunt I mean
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they either they either get good or die
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I mean that's it exactly they ain't
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sharing food no more
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no and it's just one of those deals
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where
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um it sounds cruel and it sounds man I
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wish we could kick teenagers out like
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they do man I got I got one I'd like to
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kick out right now eat me at the house
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I'm home begging for you know fixing
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turn 17 begging for new vehicles that I
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ain't got money to buy and eat four
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times as much as I do
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I need that and you man oh man it adds
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up quick but
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irregardless of that we can make fun
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about it but these these teenage coyotes
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are out on their own and there is no
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better time everything comes into play
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now every scenario you can think of will
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be successful this time of year but
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first and foremost as we turn the corner
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here in September October November
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um in particular September October these
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coyotes have one thing in mind and it
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doesn't matter whether they're old
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coyotes young coyotes they all want to
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eat because there's something happening
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to their hide they're coming out of this
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slick summer hide and they're starting
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to grow this big woolly hairy furry
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thing they're going to need to get
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through the winter that fur coat of
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theirs and that takes a lot of caloric
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intake I don't think people understand
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and it's not as you know it's not as big
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a deal in Texas South Texas Alabama
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Georgia Florida I don't think the
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coyotes there in South Texas even
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Southern Arizona California
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the places that we know are the the call
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it the the banana belt if you will of
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the United States it never really gets
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cold in some of those areas so those
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it's not as big a deal to those coyotes
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but you give you get above that midline
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that Oklahoma north
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um you know Nebraska Kansas all across
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the Midwest the Carolinas
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um anything up north of that
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um these coyotes have got to put on the
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fur coat and the only way they do that
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is by eating so I really think this is
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the transition from going to the pup
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distress the pup fights the
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vocalizations this is where it switches
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and you can get away playing more of the
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prey distresses the rabbit distress the
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bird distress the deer fawn distress
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um they've been hammering these deer all
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summer now to feed these pups now the
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pups are on to the deer you know they
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did a study John in in uh Pennsylvania
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and they were collecting coyote poop
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and guess what percentage
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of coyote poop whitetail deer made in a
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coyote poop you know if they collected a
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hundred samples of coyote poop what do
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you think the percentage of white-tailed
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deer was present in that poop man i i j
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you know I don't know the number but if
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I was guessing I would say it's between
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80 to 100 percent because it's their
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it's most readily available food source
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through the summer months 80 percent
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yeah the rest the other 20 can make up
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anything from watermelon you know
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grasshopper
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grasshoppers yeah and that all the way
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through the mice the rabbits the moles
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the voles the small ground dwelling
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mammals eighty percent of what they
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collected in a in a study had
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white-tailed deer in it I believe it so
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I'll tell you all that are you you made
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it you said a phrase there that I think
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is very key for
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uh how we should be calling year round
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and you said transitions you know that's
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kind of how I bust up my calling season
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is is all the transitions that coyotes
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go through you know they went through uh
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Denning and pup rearing season you know
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we're at the end of that pup rearing
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season going into uh and you talked
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about uh what Tori how he defined us
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stuff he actually defined his time
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period his family bust up and then he
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said like you mentioned that uh November
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early December time frame he actually
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calls that what is actually the
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dispersal one of those pups are actually
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100 percent you know resilient
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self-reliant coyotes is that time frame
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and I say he hit it pretty spot on
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because I mean who else would have the
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knowledge like that besides for Tory
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cook because he's practically living
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with his daggone coyotes and raising
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them and watching them Branch out on
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their own and you know he's he's
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collected a lot of data over the last
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few years and uh but I think you hit the
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nail right on the head when you said
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when you mentioned transition because
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that's what we're in right now we're
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coming out of that dinning season in the
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pup rearing season going into that
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family bust up time frame and and I
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think you're spot on too but uh you know
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this is this is the time you know
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generally
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throughout these summer months we've
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played very little prey distress and we
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have it was the deer sound you was
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mentioning but now it's time for it's
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time for things to change it's time to
0:11:30.300,0:11:34.140
start mixing in some of those uh prey
0:11:32.760,0:11:35.760
distress sounds into our calling
0:11:34.140,0:11:36.779
sequence like to rabbits and birds and
0:11:35.760,0:11:38.640
that type of stuff you want to talk
0:11:36.779,0:11:42.720
about that a little bit more out
0:11:38.640,0:11:44.459
well and you know so my my main my main
0:11:42.720,0:11:46.860
thought process is they've got to put
0:11:44.459,0:11:48.899
that tuxedo on yep and so they've got to
0:11:46.860,0:11:51.000
eat to do it the other flip side of that
0:11:48.899,0:11:54.660
is that adult female
0:11:51.000,0:11:56.160
he has to get herself in enough shape so
0:11:54.660,0:11:57.779
that she can have another litter of
0:11:56.160,0:12:01.500
Puffs so that means she's got to be
0:11:57.779,0:12:04.079
pretty damn healthy to uh to ovulate and
0:12:01.500,0:12:05.880
have you know six to eight ten Puffs you
0:12:04.079,0:12:08.880
know in a normal condition a coyote will
0:12:05.880,0:12:12.060
have four to six pups if there's other
0:12:08.880,0:12:14.100
adults chewing and fighting for area if
0:12:12.060,0:12:17.579
the area is wide open and there's a boon
0:12:14.100,0:12:19.920
of food they can have 12 to 16 pups so
0:12:17.579,0:12:21.360
that female's got to be in shape so the
0:12:19.920,0:12:23.399
pups are learning to feed they're
0:12:21.360,0:12:24.899
learning to hunt and feed the females
0:12:23.399,0:12:26.459
got to eat and of course the male's
0:12:24.899,0:12:28.260
going to do whatever he needs to do to
0:12:26.459,0:12:29.700
to be the dominant male he's going to
0:12:28.260,0:12:31.980
keep eating and putting the feedback on
0:12:29.700,0:12:34.620
so he gets more pounds on to be that
0:12:31.980,0:12:37.260
fighting shape and so when I talk about
0:12:34.620,0:12:40.200
prey distress there's so many prey
0:12:37.260,0:12:44.940
distresses we can fire on you know the
0:12:40.200,0:12:47.339
75 of you know and and I'm a western guy
0:12:44.940,0:12:49.380
so I've studied more Western coyotes
0:12:47.339,0:12:52.200
than even you know I don't know much
0:12:49.380,0:12:54.420
about Arkansas coyotes like Tori he's a
0:12:52.200,0:12:56.519
professional in Arkansas Kyle because
0:12:54.420,0:12:57.899
that's where he's been studying them and
0:12:56.519,0:12:59.459
you're probably a professional on
0:12:57.899,0:13:01.079
Kentucky coyotes because that's where
0:12:59.459,0:13:03.839
you've been studying them your whole
0:13:01.079,0:13:06.240
damn life and and so when I talk about
0:13:03.839,0:13:09.600
75 80 percent of a coyote's diet being
0:13:06.240,0:13:11.519
small ground dwelling mammals you know I
0:13:09.600,0:13:13.139
think that's true in Pennsylvania but I
0:13:11.519,0:13:15.779
think they eat a lot of whitetail deer
0:13:13.139,0:13:17.040
so that being said when I play prey
0:13:15.779,0:13:19.620
distress
0:13:17.040,0:13:21.899
I primarily talk about the rabbit
0:13:19.620,0:13:23.700
distresses the cottontails and you know
0:13:21.899,0:13:25.620
the lagomorphs the cottontails and the
0:13:23.700,0:13:28.019
jackrabbits and I've got more
0:13:25.620,0:13:29.940
cottontails and jackrabba and definitely
0:13:28.019,0:13:32.420
more jackrabbits in the western half of
0:13:29.940,0:13:34.440
the United States than there are knees
0:13:32.420,0:13:36.899
in the eastern half there's more
0:13:34.440,0:13:40.260
cottontails but you can't forget about
0:13:36.899,0:13:41.940
those small the vole squeaks is a sound
0:13:40.260,0:13:44.459
that I can't believe how effective
0:13:41.940,0:13:48.300
that's been since I started working at
0:13:44.459,0:13:51.180
Foxboro 13 September 6th they'll be 13
0:13:48.300,0:13:53.940
years I've worked for Foxpro awesome and
0:13:51.180,0:13:55.800
uh the best sound I've you know one of
0:13:53.940,0:13:58.500
the most consistent sounds I've used is
0:13:55.800,0:14:00.899
vole squeaks and it took me a couple
0:13:58.500,0:14:02.700
years to figure that out Bob Morris is
0:14:00.899,0:14:04.380
the one that turned me on to that he'd
0:14:02.700,0:14:06.720
been using it in California and he said
0:14:04.380,0:14:08.760
if you get a coyote hung up at two three
0:14:06.720,0:14:10.200
four hundred yards turn on Vol squeaks
0:14:08.760,0:14:12.000
and watch what happens and damned if we
0:14:10.200,0:14:13.680
didn't put it on video that coyote
0:14:12.000,0:14:15.899
Radars and runs right down there 100
0:14:13.680,0:14:18.180
something yards and I dumped him on
0:14:15.899,0:14:20.459
video and it was ever since then both
0:14:18.180,0:14:21.360
squeaks has become an integral part of
0:14:20.459,0:14:24.120
my
0:14:21.360,0:14:28.079
prey distress sounds but you can't skip
0:14:24.120,0:14:29.700
the rabbits and honestly you know you
0:14:28.079,0:14:31.339
can talk about all the rabbits that
0:14:29.700,0:14:34.139
we've ever played throughout the years
0:14:31.339,0:14:37.139
but I mean you really can't beat
0:14:34.139,0:14:39.060
Lightning Jack has got there has to be
0:14:37.139,0:14:41.459
more coyotes killed from Lightning Jack
0:14:39.060,0:14:43.740
than any other sound and then baby
0:14:41.459,0:14:45.480
Cottontail and then you start getting
0:14:43.740,0:14:46.019
into the
0:14:45.480,0:14:48.720
um
0:14:46.019,0:14:52.440
all the other cottontails that uh
0:14:48.720,0:14:54.839
uh Fox trophic Cottontail adult
0:14:52.440,0:14:57.300
Cottontail eastern cottontail Mrs MC
0:14:54.839,0:14:59.820
Cottontail Mr MC I mean a list just goes
0:14:57.300,0:15:02.639
on they're all killers all killers no
0:14:59.820,0:15:05.100
and now we got some jackrabbits that are
0:15:02.639,0:15:08.100
just off the charts you know
0:15:05.100,0:15:10.860
um not just Lightning Jack but uh devil
0:15:08.100,0:15:13.980
Bunny and and I mean just there's so
0:15:10.860,0:15:18.420
many of those you know adult Jackrabbit
0:15:13.980,0:15:21.420
you know the snow Snowshoe hair HP HP
0:15:18.420,0:15:21.420
yeah
0:15:21.480,0:15:25.800
there is a ton of guys that know that
0:15:23.699,0:15:28.500
Snowshoe HP has been probably their
0:15:25.800,0:15:30.000
number one sound throughout you know I
0:15:28.500,0:15:31.320
just think there's some and that's the
0:15:30.000,0:15:33.720
other thing I want people to understand
0:15:31.320,0:15:36.180
is just because you don't have Snowshoe
0:15:33.720,0:15:39.959
hairs doesn't mean a coyote won't come
0:15:36.180,0:15:42.120
to it I know in California one year
0:15:39.959,0:15:44.100
um there isn't a snowshoe until you get
0:15:42.120,0:15:47.459
up into the High Sierras towards you
0:15:44.100,0:15:49.019
know Nevada border and that but uh down
0:15:47.459,0:15:51.180
there in The Vineyards all I had to do
0:15:49.019,0:15:54.060
was turn on Snowshoe HP
0:15:51.180,0:15:56.220
and I they must have thought it sounded
0:15:54.060,0:15:58.079
just like the the cottontails that lived
0:15:56.220,0:16:00.480
right there in The Vineyards because man
0:15:58.079,0:16:02.519
would they run so it doesn't have to be
0:16:00.480,0:16:05.699
endemic to the area you're in no it's
0:16:02.519,0:16:07.440
not I can I can kind of add to that a
0:16:05.699,0:16:08.760
little bit it's been it's been a few
0:16:07.440,0:16:10.740
years now probably four or five years
0:16:08.760,0:16:12.540
ago I was hunting with with Jeff you
0:16:10.740,0:16:14.880
know our buddy Jeff Ryder Who's down in
0:16:12.540,0:16:16.740
Kansas and uh you know that area Kansas
0:16:14.880,0:16:19.620
or it's just Cottontail country there's
0:16:16.740,0:16:21.600
no jackrabbits there's no uh snow shoes
0:16:19.620,0:16:23.699
but uh we were having we were hitting a
0:16:21.600,0:16:25.800
dry spell we started off slow we wasn't
0:16:23.699,0:16:27.060
calling nothing and we were very prey
0:16:25.800,0:16:29.880
distressed heavy and we was planting
0:16:27.060,0:16:31.800
like a couple different uh uh Cottontail
0:16:29.880,0:16:33.360
sounds you know going playing one four
0:16:31.800,0:16:34.920
to six minutes and then falling with
0:16:33.360,0:16:36.540
another one and then I got you know we
0:16:34.920,0:16:38.639
just wasn't calling anything finishing
0:16:36.540,0:16:40.740
with some fights and pup distresses and
0:16:38.639,0:16:42.480
stuff well I started playing a third
0:16:40.740,0:16:45.420
rabbit sound you know hitting it around
0:16:42.480,0:16:48.060
that 10 11 12 minute Mark and that was
0:16:45.420,0:16:49.500
Snowshoe hair HP just give it a try just
0:16:48.060,0:16:52.560
trying to find something his coyotes are
0:16:49.500,0:16:57.420
biting on man we went from slow calling
0:16:52.560,0:16:59.579
to Dynamite calling I mean and it was
0:16:57.420,0:17:01.620
always on that 13 minute Mark when I was
0:16:59.579,0:17:04.260
playing after a minute or two that snow
0:17:01.620,0:17:06.120
shooter HP we was calling doubles
0:17:04.260,0:17:08.459
triples all these singles even killed a
0:17:06.120,0:17:10.140
bobcat or two to it and finally I looked
0:17:08.459,0:17:12.120
at Jeff said hey I'm going to start
0:17:10.140,0:17:13.380
leading with this Snowshoe hair HP
0:17:12.120,0:17:15.419
that's what they're coming to guess what
0:17:13.380,0:17:17.520
we started calling them coyotes in the
0:17:15.419,0:17:20.280
first three or four minutes yeah sooner
0:17:17.520,0:17:24.720
in the sequence it had something I
0:17:20.280,0:17:26.939
honestly I I can't explain it I really
0:17:24.720,0:17:28.980
can't John but I think there are days
0:17:26.939,0:17:31.919
that the barometric pressure
0:17:28.980,0:17:35.520
that particular temperature and that
0:17:31.919,0:17:38.400
particular pitch is traveling better and
0:17:35.520,0:17:40.679
sounds more authentic to the the ears of
0:17:38.400,0:17:42.539
those coyotes and that's why changing
0:17:40.679,0:17:44.280
sounds and trying to find that sound
0:17:42.539,0:17:47.220
that'll cut through the air
0:17:44.280,0:17:49.500
now it could be moisture content it
0:17:47.220,0:17:52.559
could be you know there's lots of things
0:17:49.500,0:17:54.780
that we don't understand that we can't
0:17:52.559,0:17:59.460
our ears are not as good as the
0:17:54.780,0:18:01.980
coyoteers they're just not I mean and
0:17:59.460,0:18:04.020
I just think there are days that that
0:18:01.980,0:18:06.480
sound and that particular that Snowshoe
0:18:04.020,0:18:07.919
HP obviously was cutting through that
0:18:06.480,0:18:10.200
moisture cutting through that air
0:18:07.919,0:18:12.000
whatever you want to call it those
0:18:10.200,0:18:14.460
coyotes and when they heard it it
0:18:12.000,0:18:17.520
triggered something way down deep inside
0:18:14.460,0:18:19.140
of them right to go holy [ __ ] that that
0:18:17.520,0:18:21.360
rabbit needs eight right now right
0:18:19.140,0:18:23.700
exactly you know and I've done that with
0:18:21.360,0:18:25.679
with sounds on kind of the total
0:18:23.700,0:18:28.440
opposite in the Spectrum as well like
0:18:25.679,0:18:31.559
the old original Jackrabbit distress
0:18:28.440,0:18:32.940
it's more deeper tone and you know I've
0:18:31.559,0:18:34.500
done the same thing with that start
0:18:32.940,0:18:37.020
playing that and next thing you know you
0:18:34.500,0:18:39.000
go from slow calling to fast pacing
0:18:37.020,0:18:41.160
everybody Raves about coyote pup
0:18:39.000,0:18:43.440
distress three but coyote pup distressed
0:18:41.160,0:18:46.860
too and Kyle pump distressed those two
0:18:43.440,0:18:50.280
original sounds that were recorded
0:18:46.860,0:18:52.919
20 years ago yep still have their days
0:18:50.280,0:18:55.140
that they outperform you know some of
0:18:52.919,0:18:57.419
the newer pop distresses and you can't
0:18:55.140,0:18:59.400
skip some of the old school OG sounds
0:18:57.419,0:19:01.320
you can't you don't know what day
0:18:59.400,0:19:03.660
they're gonna fire I mean for instance
0:19:01.320,0:19:06.419
one time I was with Brian Trussell
0:19:03.660,0:19:08.340
and we were out in New Mexico and it was
0:19:06.419,0:19:11.520
one of my favorite episodes I ever
0:19:08.340,0:19:13.919
filmed for fur takers the old fur taker
0:19:11.520,0:19:16.020
uh show me and Russell were out there
0:19:13.919,0:19:16.919
and I'd play seven minutes of Lightning
0:19:16.020,0:19:18.840
Jack
0:19:16.919,0:19:19.919
and for whatever reason and it was
0:19:18.840,0:19:24.360
November
0:19:19.919,0:19:26.760
I would switch to woodpecker distress
0:19:24.360,0:19:30.059
and every coyote that showed I don't
0:19:26.760,0:19:32.340
know if they were coming to uh Lightning
0:19:30.059,0:19:34.559
Jack I just don't but when I would
0:19:32.340,0:19:38.480
switch to that woodpecker add that bird
0:19:34.559,0:19:42.120
that high frequency frantic
0:19:38.480,0:19:45.240
woodpecker distress and even
0:19:42.120,0:19:48.240
um lucky bird yep was working that time
0:19:45.240,0:19:49.740
too for some reason by playing the
0:19:48.240,0:19:51.840
rabbit for seven minutes and then
0:19:49.740,0:19:53.580
playing Lucky bird or woodpecker for
0:19:51.840,0:19:56.220
seven minutes we were shooting all the
0:19:53.580,0:19:59.340
coyotes at 10 to 12 minutes and they
0:19:56.220,0:20:01.020
were they were screaming and they would
0:19:59.340,0:20:02.940
run in and run out that none of them
0:20:01.020,0:20:04.320
would come in and post we had to shoot
0:20:02.940,0:20:05.760
every one of them on the move right
0:20:04.320,0:20:08.760
because they went in coming to the
0:20:05.760,0:20:11.940
college they were just doing drive-bys
0:20:08.760,0:20:14.220
it was crazy and man that'll test your
0:20:11.940,0:20:15.840
shooting skills when you got coyotes
0:20:14.220,0:20:17.820
that you're all you got is your rifle
0:20:15.840,0:20:21.000
they're coming into 50 yards and as soon
0:20:17.820,0:20:23.039
as you go to wolfen you know right or
0:20:21.000,0:20:25.799
cutting the sound I'd shut the sound off
0:20:23.039,0:20:28.679
or volume down like I always do try and
0:20:25.799,0:20:30.780
get those coyotes to check up man they
0:20:28.679,0:20:32.700
would turn and burn and there was no
0:20:30.780,0:20:35.160
Rhyme or Reason as to why that
0:20:32.700,0:20:37.440
particular prey distress starting with
0:20:35.160,0:20:39.660
the rabbit and then going and then
0:20:37.440,0:20:42.600
there's been time I was in in Alberta
0:20:39.660,0:20:44.039
Canada I could play every sound I had I
0:20:42.600,0:20:45.900
could start out with the rabbits I could
0:20:44.039,0:20:48.059
go to different things if I played pup
0:20:45.900,0:20:50.520
screens coyotes were running from
0:20:48.059,0:20:52.980
distance running into us and I honestly
0:20:50.520,0:20:55.080
think it was the pup screens was just
0:20:52.980,0:20:56.820
loud enough and had just enough piercing
0:20:55.080,0:20:59.720
sound to get through the moisture in the
0:20:56.820,0:21:02.400
air that cold really cold Alberta wind
0:20:59.720,0:21:04.740
and uh that's what the coyotes were
0:21:02.400,0:21:06.000
coming to so you need to figure out this
0:21:04.740,0:21:07.679
time of year
0:21:06.000,0:21:09.240
you're not sure whether it's going to be
0:21:07.679,0:21:10.200
the rabbit they fire on you're not sure
0:21:09.240,0:21:11.820
whether it's going to be the bird
0:21:10.200,0:21:15.000
distress and we can talk about the bird
0:21:11.820,0:21:18.000
distresses that woodpecker has become my
0:21:15.000,0:21:21.000
ultra favorite lucky Birds always been a
0:21:18.000,0:21:21.780
solid of mine but nutty nut hatch
0:21:21.000,0:21:25.559
um
0:21:21.780,0:21:27.720
then the ranting red bird and there's
0:21:25.559,0:21:29.100
just so many of those there's been a
0:21:27.720,0:21:30.720
sound you've been using for the last
0:21:29.100,0:21:32.640
couple of years it's one of our newer
0:21:30.720,0:21:35.100
sounds that I noticed you liked a lot a
0:21:32.640,0:21:38.400
lot is it uh is it brown thrasher or
0:21:35.100,0:21:41.280
Thrasher yep yeah and tit Mouse tantrum
0:21:38.400,0:21:45.059
you can't skip those sounds for whatever
0:21:41.280,0:21:46.799
reason and I mean I'm trying to think
0:21:45.059,0:21:50.720
what I was playing when that coyote
0:21:46.799,0:21:55.260
jumped up in the tree in Arizona yeah
0:21:50.720,0:21:57.659
Tom Tom Austin awesome yeah no it was
0:21:55.260,0:22:01.140
one of those woodpeckers I'm pretty sure
0:21:57.659,0:22:03.600
that coyote jumped up in that tree six
0:22:01.140,0:22:06.600
feet because Tom Austin put that color
0:22:03.600,0:22:08.460
at six feet up and that coyote how many
0:22:06.600,0:22:10.020
woodpeckers is that some [ __ ] ripped
0:22:08.460,0:22:11.760
out of a tree by jumping up in the
0:22:10.020,0:22:13.620
ground they do they do exactly what he
0:22:11.760,0:22:16.320
was doing and you guys go go to our
0:22:13.620,0:22:18.059
YouTube channel Roku channel uh carbon
0:22:16.320,0:22:20.039
TV wherever you can find Foxpro hunting
0:22:18.059,0:22:22.740
TV watch us watch these past episodes
0:22:20.039,0:22:24.780
and you'll see exactly what but I was
0:22:22.740,0:22:27.240
talking about as a pretty pretty awesome
0:22:24.780,0:22:28.860
call-in and and I want to touch on
0:22:27.240,0:22:30.780
something that you said there just a few
0:22:28.860,0:22:33.780
minutes ago uh you were talking about
0:22:30.780,0:22:35.580
being expert on like Western coyotes and
0:22:33.780,0:22:38.220
talking about tour down in Arkansas than
0:22:35.580,0:22:40.860
guys in PA and then here Kentucky you
0:22:38.220,0:22:43.320
know I think uh what kind of shows
0:22:40.860,0:22:45.600
through right there is is really coyotes
0:22:43.320,0:22:47.039
when it comes to the time of year when
0:22:45.600,0:22:48.240
they're really starting to bulk up like
0:22:47.039,0:22:49.919
you're talking about so they can grow
0:22:48.240,0:22:51.000
that winter fire and all that type of
0:22:49.919,0:22:52.679
stuff
0:22:51.000,0:22:55.320
um and the females getting ready for the
0:22:52.679,0:22:56.640
next season I really thanked it a lot of
0:22:55.320,0:22:58.080
times you know this doesn't really have
0:22:56.640,0:23:00.960
to do with uh
0:22:58.080,0:23:02.220
the uh sound frequencies and all that
0:23:00.960,0:23:05.220
type of stuff that cuts through against
0:23:02.220,0:23:06.720
coyote coyotes to come but you know he
0:23:05.220,0:23:09.000
was talking about that they'll they'll
0:23:06.720,0:23:10.200
prey on certain type of animals in
0:23:09.000,0:23:12.600
certain different places at different
0:23:10.200,0:23:14.340
times of year uh I think a lot of times
0:23:12.600,0:23:16.320
what it comes down to is they're just
0:23:14.340,0:23:19.679
going after what is the most readily
0:23:16.320,0:23:22.080
available food like here in Kentucky uh
0:23:19.679,0:23:24.720
through June and July if they were
0:23:22.080,0:23:26.580
feeding heavily on pray to prey type
0:23:24.720,0:23:28.260
animals it was those whitetail deer
0:23:26.580,0:23:30.419
fawns because that was the most readily
0:23:28.260,0:23:32.340
available food well now those fawns have
0:23:30.419,0:23:34.020
made it through they're they're a little
0:23:32.340,0:23:36.120
bit tougher to tackle than they were
0:23:34.020,0:23:37.740
back in June you know they're not going
0:23:36.120,0:23:39.539
to stand there and let it go even like
0:23:37.740,0:23:41.460
they get in June so now they're going to
0:23:39.539,0:23:43.740
transition over whatever is the most
0:23:41.460,0:23:45.780
easy to catch most readily available
0:23:43.740,0:23:48.000
food which like you said is going to be
0:23:45.780,0:23:51.020
like your rabbit type stuff your your
0:23:48.000,0:23:54.240
birds your squirrels your rodents
0:23:51.020,0:23:55.679
yeah yeah so I think it's it's just one
0:23:54.240,0:23:58.860
of those transition periods it's not
0:23:55.679,0:24:01.260
just what was transitioning in in coyote
0:23:58.860,0:24:03.000
itself but the other species of stuff
0:24:01.260,0:24:05.280
that they feed on that surrounds them
0:24:03.000,0:24:07.320
you know like I said those fawns are a
0:24:05.280,0:24:08.340
little tougher now for them to feed on
0:24:07.320,0:24:10.380
because they're just a bigger animal
0:24:08.340,0:24:11.940
harder for them to take down but those
0:24:10.380,0:24:13.919
little rabbits are still pretty doggone
0:24:11.940,0:24:16.640
easy for them to grab or turkeys yeah
0:24:13.919,0:24:18.720
turkey poets and all that type of stuff
0:24:16.640,0:24:20.880
everything's maturing through this
0:24:18.720,0:24:23.460
summer I think every you know spring is
0:24:20.880,0:24:25.679
the season of the babies and that means
0:24:23.460,0:24:27.600
that June July everything I don't think
0:24:25.679,0:24:29.400
they have to hunt real hard to find a
0:24:27.600,0:24:31.380
whitetail Fawn I don't think they have
0:24:29.400,0:24:34.620
to hunt real hard to find a coveyor
0:24:31.380,0:24:36.840
quail a covia uh turkeys you know those
0:24:34.620,0:24:39.659
pulse stuff like that but now
0:24:36.840,0:24:41.520
everything's older they've been down the
0:24:39.659,0:24:43.140
block if they if they've made it to this
0:24:41.520,0:24:44.480
point in time if they've made it to
0:24:43.140,0:24:47.220
October
0:24:44.480,0:24:50.000
they're they're they've been there done
0:24:47.220,0:24:51.900
that a time or two the Hawks the Eagles
0:24:50.000,0:24:55.260
everything's been trying to eat them
0:24:51.900,0:24:57.120
poults and yep and if they've made it to
0:24:55.260,0:24:58.740
this point in time they're they're going
0:24:57.120,0:25:00.480
to be pretty solid on their defense
0:24:58.740,0:25:04.200
right the same thing with their
0:25:00.480,0:25:04.919
everything else and and I think uh you
0:25:04.200,0:25:08.520
know
0:25:04.919,0:25:10.919
I really think I didn't realize
0:25:08.520,0:25:13.860
and I've told you about the sequence
0:25:10.919,0:25:15.000
and I really think all coyotes are
0:25:13.860,0:25:17.280
territory
0:25:15.000,0:25:18.960
and so that's why I started out with the
0:25:17.280,0:25:20.400
two if we if we were going hunting
0:25:18.960,0:25:21.780
tomorrow and I'm gonna do this up in
0:25:20.400,0:25:24.440
Idaho this week
0:25:21.780,0:25:27.600
I'm gonna lay out two single lone house
0:25:24.440,0:25:30.539
and I've really settled on C5 young
0:25:27.600,0:25:34.440
coyote Hal and little B whimper pop out
0:25:30.539,0:25:37.080
from mfk yep I have and I know this time
0:25:34.440,0:25:39.779
of year I better have the safety off and
0:25:37.080,0:25:43.679
I better be in them swaggers because I
0:25:39.779,0:25:45.600
know just by howling into an area even
0:25:43.679,0:25:47.279
if the pups are there the adults it
0:25:45.600,0:25:49.559
doesn't matter they're going to be like
0:25:47.279,0:25:52.320
who is this and why are they in our area
0:25:49.559,0:25:54.720
and they're going to eat our food yep
0:25:52.320,0:25:57.360
and I think that territorial is the
0:25:54.720,0:26:01.140
initial thing and then I will sit and
0:25:57.360,0:26:04.500
wait and all summer I skipped I skipped
0:26:01.140,0:26:08.159
the prey distress part but now October
0:26:04.500,0:26:09.900
1st even September 15th
0:26:08.159,0:26:12.480
um September 1st
0:26:09.900,0:26:13.860
I think these everybody's got to grow
0:26:12.480,0:26:15.620
this tuxedo they're going to wear
0:26:13.860,0:26:19.799
through the summer or through the winter
0:26:15.620,0:26:21.539
and I really think that if I wait two
0:26:19.799,0:26:24.240
three minutes after that lone hell and
0:26:21.539,0:26:27.059
I'm not pulling the trigger then all I
0:26:24.240,0:26:31.080
gotta do is send out cagey Cottontail
0:26:27.059,0:26:33.360
Mrs MC Cottontail Mr mccottontail I'm
0:26:31.080,0:26:35.700
gonna find and my favorite Ultra
0:26:33.360,0:26:40.140
favorite rabbit sound right now is the
0:26:35.700,0:26:43.440
new baby Jack baby Jack yeah I have just
0:26:40.140,0:26:47.039
been stroking coyotes when I play this
0:26:43.440,0:26:48.720
baby Jack it's not very loud even on 30
0:26:47.039,0:26:51.179
35
0:26:48.720,0:26:53.039
I really have a hard time with my bad
0:26:51.179,0:26:55.260
hearing I have a hard time hearing that
0:26:53.039,0:26:57.720
speaker at 35 40 yards if it's faced
0:26:55.260,0:27:00.539
away from me I can't always tell that
0:26:57.720,0:27:03.659
sounds running if I get 70 80 yards if I
0:27:00.539,0:27:06.000
put that collar out at 100 yards and and
0:27:03.659,0:27:07.740
here's the thing guys and gals I don't
0:27:06.000,0:27:11.279
think they understand some people
0:27:07.740,0:27:14.700
understand you can position coyotes with
0:27:11.279,0:27:18.299
the x-24 with those new callers the
0:27:14.700,0:27:21.419
Prowlers and the prowler Pro and that uh
0:27:18.299,0:27:24.120
okay Hellcat Hellcat Pro oh it's the
0:27:21.419,0:27:27.419
okay yeah see I gotta I gotta get one
0:27:24.120,0:27:27.419
still and
0:27:30.020,0:27:34.620
the other two caller the Hellcat the
0:27:32.520,0:27:36.600
prowler are great units too you got uh
0:27:34.620,0:27:39.720
got new remotes for them a lot larger
0:27:36.600,0:27:40.980
screen for those old guys like you uh Al
0:27:39.720,0:27:42.419
that can't see you very well he's
0:27:40.980,0:27:45.720
talking about
0:27:42.419,0:27:47.940
you can't see yeah the screens are a lot
0:27:45.720,0:27:49.440
bigger they're a really nice units for
0:27:47.940,0:27:51.179
you guys looking for more of a starter
0:27:49.440,0:27:54.000
style unit then we get to that Hellcat
0:27:51.179,0:27:55.679
Pro man that's a nice little unit right
0:27:54.000,0:27:57.840
there yo that thing is loud it's got
0:27:55.679,0:28:00.480
larger amplifiers in it it's got the
0:27:57.840,0:28:03.120
tx1000 remote comes with a built-in
0:28:00.480,0:28:04.860
decoy and also comes with a rechargeable
0:28:03.120,0:28:07.140
lithium battery pack and that little
0:28:04.860,0:28:09.120
sucker is loud
0:28:07.140,0:28:10.679
well and it's made in America by
0:28:09.120,0:28:11.840
hard-working Americans in Lewistown
0:28:10.679,0:28:16.140
Pennsylvania
0:28:11.840,0:28:19.140
and I'm just telling you if you will
0:28:16.140,0:28:22.020
how and then go into that distress and
0:28:19.140,0:28:23.940
you need to find out what distress is
0:28:22.020,0:28:27.240
what they're really hammering right now
0:28:23.940,0:28:30.360
it may be the vole squeaks it may be
0:28:27.240,0:28:32.520
building squirrel it may be prairie dog
0:28:30.360,0:28:34.620
distress and just because you don't have
0:28:32.520,0:28:36.720
a lot of prairie dogs in PA don't think
0:28:34.620,0:28:39.240
for a second I wouldn't try that predo
0:28:36.720,0:28:41.400
because it it may sound like a squirrel
0:28:39.240,0:28:43.260
to them yeah it may sound like something
0:28:41.400,0:28:46.140
they're feeding it's kind of it's kind
0:28:43.260,0:28:48.600
of got like a a baby type rabbit
0:28:46.140,0:28:51.360
distress type sound it's a nice sound
0:28:48.600,0:28:52.860
it's a nice sound and I honestly think
0:28:51.360,0:28:55.380
most of the coyotes I've ever called
0:28:52.860,0:28:58.080
into nutty nuthatch came because I
0:28:55.380,0:29:00.779
really think nutty nuthatch could be a
0:28:58.080,0:29:02.940
baby Cottontail yeah you know a couple
0:29:00.779,0:29:04.799
baby cottontails I've got to squeeze and
0:29:02.940,0:29:05.900
I was like that sounds just like nutty
0:29:04.799,0:29:09.720
Nut House
0:29:05.900,0:29:12.419
and and man I there's been days all I
0:29:09.720,0:29:16.080
had to do was turn on Nutty nut hatching
0:29:12.419,0:29:18.659
I was pulling the trigger so you've got
0:29:16.080,0:29:21.120
so many and then you can't skip the deer
0:29:18.659,0:29:23.100
you can't skip the Fawn distress the
0:29:21.120,0:29:26.640
mule deer fawn distress the antelope
0:29:23.100,0:29:29.460
Fawn distress and then kid goat distress
0:29:26.640,0:29:32.600
um I know that Levi Johnson out there
0:29:29.460,0:29:32.600
and uh Montana
0:29:33.020,0:29:39.720
we call coyotes to it yep no they it
0:29:36.779,0:29:42.059
sounds just like a fawn in distress it
0:29:39.720,0:29:44.340
really does I actually I actually like
0:29:42.059,0:29:46.620
it I actually like it better I like the
0:29:44.340,0:29:48.299
uh well you know the coyotes like it too
0:29:46.620,0:29:50.460
that's one thing made me like it better
0:29:48.299,0:29:52.080
how see how the coyotes come to it but
0:29:50.460,0:29:56.039
it's just got a different Rhythm to it
0:29:52.080,0:29:57.899
and uh yeah man I know I like it and I
0:29:56.039,0:29:59.279
think I can get a wolf to come to it and
0:29:57.899,0:30:00.960
I've been watching some of those guys
0:29:59.279,0:30:02.700
that kill wolves I've been I've been
0:30:00.960,0:30:05.700
studying a lot of wolf video this week
0:30:02.700,0:30:07.559
and that Sterling Outdoors up there in
0:30:05.700,0:30:10.980
Idaho you know what he plays the most of
0:30:07.559,0:30:12.960
no idea adult Cottontail well that's
0:30:10.980,0:30:15.480
what Tom said he really likes his adult
0:30:12.960,0:30:17.880
cotton Tails so no you play that adult
0:30:15.480,0:30:20.340
Cottontail in there I mean they
0:30:17.880,0:30:22.500
obviously can't turn it down if they're
0:30:20.340,0:30:24.539
hungry if they're if they're they got
0:30:22.500,0:30:25.980
any hunger pains at all and that's why
0:30:24.539,0:30:28.140
we're going a little early all the elk
0:30:25.980,0:30:29.580
hunt starts you know September 1st yep
0:30:28.140,0:30:31.620
so
0:30:29.580,0:30:32.880
up there and and we're going to try and
0:30:31.620,0:30:35.880
get there before there's a lot of gut
0:30:32.880,0:30:37.559
piles and stuff and hopefully hopefully
0:30:35.880,0:30:39.659
they've leaned you know wolves or
0:30:37.559,0:30:41.279
vacuums they'll they'll they'll vacuum
0:30:39.659,0:30:43.620
up everything so hopefully we can get to
0:30:41.279,0:30:45.240
calling for there's many gut piles
0:30:43.620,0:30:47.279
around and before they before they get
0:30:45.240,0:30:48.840
this Boon wounded animals that they
0:30:47.279,0:30:50.940
clean up and stuff hopefully we can get
0:30:48.840,0:30:53.279
on some of that but the coyotes there
0:30:50.940,0:30:55.440
it's amazing to me how
0:30:53.279,0:30:58.500
uh the coyotes are living right there
0:30:55.440,0:31:00.059
with the wolves and they'll still howl
0:30:58.500,0:31:02.159
they'll still do stuff but they know to
0:31:00.059,0:31:03.779
keep their distance from them wolves
0:31:02.159,0:31:06.000
it's pretty amazing that they're such
0:31:03.779,0:31:08.460
survivors that they can live right in
0:31:06.000,0:31:10.140
with a pack of wolves and and still
0:31:08.460,0:31:12.480
raise their young and and do everything
0:31:10.140,0:31:13.980
a coyote does and you know I base the
0:31:12.480,0:31:16.440
whole year of Kyle calling around that
0:31:13.980,0:31:17.820
event of breeding having their pups they
0:31:16.440,0:31:19.919
get them through the summer and now
0:31:17.820,0:31:21.120
they're kicking them out it is September
0:31:19.919,0:31:23.340
October
0:31:21.120,0:31:25.799
um you know down south that uh Tories
0:31:23.340,0:31:27.779
observed it in November December
0:31:25.799,0:31:31.080
um I think in this Intermountain country
0:31:27.779,0:31:33.419
in this Rocky Mountains I really I've
0:31:31.080,0:31:36.659
seen I've seen all the coyotes together
0:31:33.419,0:31:39.179
in September that that family breakup
0:31:36.659,0:31:41.640
I've seen it in September where the pups
0:31:39.179,0:31:44.039
will come I watched a big nail on a on a
0:31:41.640,0:31:46.020
pond dam and every coyote that came to
0:31:44.039,0:31:48.360
him tucked their tail up under their
0:31:46.020,0:31:50.340
chin and would walk up to Him and
0:31:48.360,0:31:52.080
acknowledge Him and then man you could
0:31:50.340,0:31:54.059
tell they were just they were off they
0:31:52.080,0:31:55.799
were all hunting on their own you know
0:31:54.059,0:31:57.659
they they said hi to Dad and you can
0:31:55.799,0:31:58.919
tell they were going to be in the gym
0:31:57.659,0:32:01.500
they were going to be in the general
0:31:58.919,0:32:03.600
area but Mom and Dad had already laid
0:32:01.500,0:32:05.159
the law down you boys you girls you
0:32:03.600,0:32:06.840
you're gone you got to get the hell out
0:32:05.159,0:32:10.080
of here defending on their own right
0:32:06.840,0:32:11.520
yeah we got to raise next year's group
0:32:10.080,0:32:13.860
of pups and you're not going to be part
0:32:11.520,0:32:16.679
of it and and I've seen down in Kansas
0:32:13.860,0:32:19.679
and Oklahoma where they retain uh young
0:32:16.679,0:32:21.080
of the year it might be a a runt it
0:32:19.679,0:32:23.580
might be that it's just a young female
0:32:21.080,0:32:25.919
she'll Mom and Dad will tolerate her
0:32:23.580,0:32:28.740
they'll let her hang out and uh they'll
0:32:25.919,0:32:31.440
keep her as a helper to grow that next
0:32:28.740,0:32:32.460
next batch of cops they say that a lot
0:32:31.440,0:32:34.620
yeah
0:32:32.460,0:32:37.740
it's interesting to me that you know
0:32:34.620,0:32:39.539
there's there's so social and I really
0:32:37.740,0:32:40.620
think that's why
0:32:39.539,0:32:43.380
um
0:32:40.620,0:32:45.419
you how give it a couple minutes play
0:32:43.380,0:32:47.100
your play your prey distress is it your
0:32:45.419,0:32:49.020
is it rabid is it going to be a bird is
0:32:47.100,0:32:52.200
it going to be a fawn is it going to be
0:32:49.020,0:32:56.159
a a small ground dwelling mammal mole
0:32:52.200,0:32:58.740
mice I mean you can't skip those sounds
0:32:56.159,0:33:03.240
and then this time of year
0:32:58.740,0:33:07.620
out west we have magpies we have Ravens
0:33:03.240,0:33:10.020
we have crows we have the corvids and so
0:33:07.620,0:33:11.520
you've seen me on video a thousand times
0:33:10.020,0:33:15.299
in Nevada
0:33:11.520,0:33:18.840
I will be playing Ravens or or magpies
0:33:15.299,0:33:21.539
on the on the fox Pro and I will be
0:33:18.840,0:33:23.640
using one of my hand calls to make that
0:33:21.539,0:33:27.720
rabbit distress you know
0:33:23.640,0:33:30.539
and I really think the more realism that
0:33:27.720,0:33:34.019
gives to a scenario in the fall of the
0:33:30.539,0:33:35.880
year that September October I really
0:33:34.019,0:33:37.679
like playing some Corvettes because
0:33:35.880,0:33:40.500
there is they're in competition to eat
0:33:37.679,0:33:43.399
just like the coyotes and uh I think if
0:33:40.500,0:33:47.460
you will add some of those you can add a
0:33:43.399,0:33:48.500
j you can add some of those uh Corvette
0:33:47.460,0:33:51.720
sounds
0:33:48.500,0:33:54.299
that may indicate to a coyote that's out
0:33:51.720,0:33:56.399
there three 400 yards is this real is
0:33:54.299,0:33:59.880
this not all sudden the prey distress
0:33:56.399,0:34:02.519
stops but he hears that uh Crow he hears
0:33:59.880,0:34:04.440
that Raven going
0:34:02.519,0:34:05.760
you know and they're like oh man they're
0:34:04.440,0:34:07.760
going to eat that if I don't get there
0:34:05.760,0:34:10.320
right speeds them up
0:34:07.760,0:34:13.040
it really gives them a sense of urgency
0:34:10.320,0:34:15.480
it's that competition I really think
0:34:13.040,0:34:17.580
they're in competition with other
0:34:15.480,0:34:19.980
coyotes they're in competition with the
0:34:17.580,0:34:22.679
birds they're in competition with their
0:34:19.980,0:34:24.839
the mates they grew up with first one
0:34:22.679,0:34:28.500
there wins it'd be like me and you
0:34:24.839,0:34:30.119
sitting in the in it at the airport and
0:34:28.500,0:34:32.040
we look over and there's a McDonald's
0:34:30.119,0:34:33.119
and they said free Big Macs to the first
0:34:32.040,0:34:37.440
five people
0:34:33.119,0:34:37.440
I'm Gonna Knock You down yeah
0:34:38.060,0:34:43.020
and that's really this time of year
0:34:40.440,0:34:44.580
that's how you got to look at this
0:34:43.020,0:34:47.339
yeah and
0:34:44.580,0:34:49.679
so then do you start out soft
0:34:47.339,0:34:52.679
do you start out loud
0:34:49.679,0:34:54.480
one year and and when you get Garvin
0:34:52.679,0:34:56.760
young we're gonna I'm gonna make you get
0:34:54.480,0:34:58.200
Garvin Young on a podcast because he he
0:34:56.760,0:35:00.480
is the only other four-time world
0:34:58.200,0:35:01.320
champion I built down this rules can't
0:35:00.480,0:35:05.240
wait
0:35:01.320,0:35:09.180
um one year he set up his shock wave
0:35:05.240,0:35:12.780
to uh cows Cottontail
0:35:09.180,0:35:15.839
and he set it off at like 32. he he
0:35:12.780,0:35:17.940
volumeed up to 32.
0:35:15.839,0:35:20.220
and when he turned it on the first time
0:35:17.940,0:35:23.660
he was like whoa and he's volumeing down
0:35:20.220,0:35:28.220
and I shot gun to Coyote at 10 yards
0:35:23.660,0:35:31.440
come barreling into it oh he and so then
0:35:28.220,0:35:34.260
that's when I realized it isn't always
0:35:31.440,0:35:37.320
best to start out soft for whatever
0:35:34.260,0:35:40.260
reason that whole weekend he turned it
0:35:37.320,0:35:42.540
on letting it eat at 32 volume out of a
0:35:40.260,0:35:44.160
40 stage volume on Cal's Cottontail
0:35:42.540,0:35:45.380
which is not a very loud sound anyway
0:35:44.160,0:35:49.619
right
0:35:45.380,0:35:52.940
shotgun 12 of the 18 coyotes we shot to
0:35:49.619,0:35:55.640
win that world championship right right
0:35:52.940,0:35:59.700
I've never felt like
0:35:55.640,0:36:01.500
loud volume has ever spooked to Coyote
0:35:59.700,0:36:03.060
on me and just for example last week
0:36:01.500,0:36:04.500
just kind of going off what you said
0:36:03.060,0:36:07.680
there Al
0:36:04.500,0:36:09.300
um I had the x-24 setting up on a t-post
0:36:07.680,0:36:11.099
you know on a fin Trail so it was
0:36:09.300,0:36:13.079
elevated that's about three and a half
0:36:11.099,0:36:16.740
foot four foot off the ground
0:36:13.079,0:36:19.260
well in my in my presets I've got mfk's
0:36:16.740,0:36:21.180
Khmer lonely well my favorite house run
0:36:19.260,0:36:24.839
year round I've got that thing sitting
0:36:21.180,0:36:27.740
on 34 which is which is ripping right
0:36:24.839,0:36:30.480
well that's a lot you you should never
0:36:27.740,0:36:33.359
honestly on a 40 stage volume you should
0:36:30.480,0:36:35.579
never go over 35 well unless it is so
0:36:33.359,0:36:39.119
windy you can't hear yourself so so I
0:36:35.579,0:36:41.579
hit play on that 34 on the x24 come here
0:36:39.119,0:36:43.920
lonely and it gets through the third Hal
0:36:41.579,0:36:46.579
and out in front of that I got to call
0:36:43.920,0:36:49.920
sitting until about 30 40 steps you know
0:36:46.579,0:36:53.160
at about 30 or 40 steps out in front of
0:36:49.920,0:36:56.160
the x24 guess what a coyote stands up
0:36:53.160,0:36:58.740
that coyote was up there laid laid up
0:36:56.160,0:37:01.760
bed up in this Prairie yeah these tail
0:36:58.740,0:37:04.740
wrapped around his head yeah
0:37:01.760,0:37:06.839
as in Kansas as in Kansas yeah Hey
0:37:04.740,0:37:09.119
Coyote had not a clue that I'd walk to a
0:37:06.839,0:37:10.859
person you know I try to stay quiet and
0:37:09.119,0:37:13.619
all that but anyway I ripped out that
0:37:10.859,0:37:16.079
sound on 34. now if you guys will know
0:37:13.619,0:37:18.960
how loud that is take your x24 put it up
0:37:16.079,0:37:20.280
on a post get it elevated go 40 yards in
0:37:18.960,0:37:23.700
front of it and put it on come here
0:37:20.280,0:37:25.440
lonely on on 34 and see how loud it'll
0:37:23.700,0:37:27.000
blow your eardrums off but what I'm
0:37:25.440,0:37:29.460
getting at it didn't spook it coyote
0:37:27.000,0:37:32.099
that coyote nope stood up there and you
0:37:29.460,0:37:34.680
know he wasn't running off now we had a
0:37:32.099,0:37:36.480
had a friend with us that uh was along
0:37:34.680,0:37:38.220
for the ride and we watched it let that
0:37:36.480,0:37:39.359
coyote stay with actually let him stand
0:37:38.220,0:37:40.680
there for like two minutes we just
0:37:39.359,0:37:43.079
wanted to see if any other coyotes
0:37:40.680,0:37:45.300
responded and finally I looked over at
0:37:43.079,0:37:46.680
him I said I said Josh quick kill that
0:37:45.300,0:37:48.140
coyote we'll we'll keep calling that
0:37:46.680,0:37:50.579
trail
0:37:48.140,0:37:51.960
he shot like four foot over top hit
0:37:50.579,0:37:54.420
thing I let him sit there and stare at
0:37:51.960,0:37:57.180
Coyote too long I guess he missed I
0:37:54.420,0:37:59.520
don't have a slick missed his son but my
0:37:57.180,0:38:01.079
point is that loud volume did not scare
0:37:59.520,0:38:02.820
that coyote
0:38:01.079,0:38:04.680
yeah but you're telling stories on
0:38:02.820,0:38:06.839
Kinder now he's going to be mad at you
0:38:04.680,0:38:09.480
that's right I I tell you what you get
0:38:06.839,0:38:10.920
scared on that 22 250 bullet whizzed
0:38:09.480,0:38:12.740
over top of his head he got the heck out
0:38:10.920,0:38:15.240
there then
0:38:12.740,0:38:17.099
no it's something amazing about that
0:38:15.240,0:38:19.200
even shooting suppressed with them hux
0:38:17.099,0:38:21.480
Works they still seem to know where that
0:38:19.200,0:38:23.820
Danger's at and they really get good at
0:38:21.480,0:38:25.260
getting away from it I I always talking
0:38:23.820,0:38:27.359
to you you've talked about you like to
0:38:25.260,0:38:29.040
open your stand up with you like C5
0:38:27.359,0:38:31.619
young coyote halves we know you love
0:38:29.040,0:38:32.880
that uh Little B whimper Hal uh this
0:38:31.619,0:38:34.440
time of year so you're running those
0:38:32.880,0:38:37.380
house and you're playing some kind of
0:38:34.440,0:38:39.780
prey distress uh what about what about
0:38:37.380,0:38:41.820
later in the stand do you like uh to
0:38:39.780,0:38:42.800
play any kind of like coyote social type
0:38:41.820,0:38:45.359
sounds
0:38:42.800,0:38:47.579
this this time of year the thing you
0:38:45.359,0:38:48.660
need to go right to with that 10 12
0:38:47.579,0:38:52.079
minutes
0:38:48.660,0:38:55.440
after I really like to give my my
0:38:52.079,0:38:57.540
rabbits my birds I really give them
0:38:55.440,0:39:00.000
seven to eight ten minutes
0:38:57.540,0:39:02.520
why do I give my rabbits in those seven
0:39:00.000,0:39:04.200
eight ten minutes
0:39:02.520,0:39:05.760
why do you want to play that prey
0:39:04.200,0:39:08.640
distress now I'll break it up I won't
0:39:05.760,0:39:10.859
play it constant I I'll I'll play for a
0:39:08.640,0:39:13.320
minute off 30 seconds play for a minute
0:39:10.859,0:39:15.119
but at that seven eight ten minutes is
0:39:13.320,0:39:17.579
when I like to transition into the next
0:39:15.119,0:39:20.339
sound but I really think that if a
0:39:17.579,0:39:22.560
coyote's within one mile of you
0:39:20.339,0:39:24.420
it takes them seven minutes at a good
0:39:22.560,0:39:25.859
trunk you've got you've got to give them
0:39:24.420,0:39:27.660
time to get there
0:39:25.859,0:39:29.940
you've got to get them time to respond
0:39:27.660,0:39:32.940
to it I don't know how many hundreds of
0:39:29.940,0:39:35.180
coyotes I've been I will
0:39:32.940,0:39:37.859
I'll look at my remote I don't look up
0:39:35.180,0:39:39.780
you know Mike always talks about getting
0:39:37.859,0:39:42.119
your eyes off the remote and looking for
0:39:39.780,0:39:43.680
coyotes yep for whatever reason I'm not
0:39:42.119,0:39:46.079
I'm zoning out I'll look at my remote
0:39:43.680,0:39:48.240
I'm at eight minutes nine minutes ten
0:39:46.079,0:39:49.200
minutes and I'll just go to this pup
0:39:48.240,0:39:51.480
fight
0:39:49.200,0:39:54.300
I'll do I'll go to pups fighting which
0:39:51.480,0:39:55.980
is a little B stanky fight I'll go to
0:39:54.300,0:39:58.440
one of the fights
0:39:55.980,0:40:01.280
and damn it the coyote that's jogging in
0:39:58.440,0:40:04.020
stops at 200 yards
0:40:01.280,0:40:05.940
she gave him another minute I don't know
0:40:04.020,0:40:08.760
if I'd have just gave him another 30
0:40:05.940,0:40:12.599
seconds he'd have been at 100 yards yep
0:40:08.760,0:40:15.060
and damn it so you always scan always at
0:40:12.599,0:40:16.980
that seven minutes start looking because
0:40:15.060,0:40:18.480
if they were a mile away three quarters
0:40:16.980,0:40:21.359
of a mile away mile and a quarter
0:40:18.480,0:40:23.820
they're gonna be in they're they're in
0:40:21.359,0:40:26.040
the zone now right that's seven to ten
0:40:23.820,0:40:27.240
minutes they're at distance if they
0:40:26.040,0:40:29.460
didn't hear
0:40:27.240,0:40:32.700
and then that's when I'll switch to the
0:40:29.460,0:40:35.280
pup fights you want to sound like you
0:40:32.700,0:40:38.339
you you lay out the scenario every time
0:40:35.280,0:40:41.640
you call and I really think I didn't
0:40:38.339,0:40:44.660
realize I had gaps in my in the calling
0:40:41.640,0:40:47.880
until I really got this full mfk library
0:40:44.660,0:40:49.700
and now with the Foxpro library and all
0:40:47.880,0:40:53.460
the sounds that Steve spent the years
0:40:49.700,0:40:55.980
putting on and recording and then to
0:40:53.460,0:40:58.859
have the mfk Sound Library on top of
0:40:55.980,0:41:01.680
that there are no gaps I really don't
0:40:58.859,0:41:03.359
think there is another provider of
0:41:01.680,0:41:05.579
sounds that I could get a sound from
0:41:03.359,0:41:07.980
that works any better than the sounds I
0:41:05.579,0:41:10.020
have available to us now and I really
0:41:07.980,0:41:12.240
think that at that seven to ten minutes
0:41:10.020,0:41:15.599
if you will play some kind of fight we
0:41:12.240,0:41:17.339
held we played the prey distress and now
0:41:15.599,0:41:19.560
we're fighting over it and I really
0:41:17.339,0:41:21.420
think the two halves the lone house let
0:41:19.560,0:41:24.240
coyotes in the area know there's other
0:41:21.420,0:41:26.520
coyotes strange coyotes in their area
0:41:24.240,0:41:28.560
then they hear the distress and they
0:41:26.520,0:41:30.599
might be educated Kyle they may have
0:41:28.560,0:41:32.820
they might be the smartest coyotes on
0:41:30.599,0:41:36.000
they might be sitting there 300 yards
0:41:32.820,0:41:38.280
going yeah it sounds good
0:41:36.000,0:41:40.920
um and they may start circling downwind
0:41:38.280,0:41:42.839
but when you go to fighting over it and
0:41:40.920,0:41:45.660
you start throwing in some pup screens
0:41:42.839,0:41:49.619
and then you go back to some fights and
0:41:45.660,0:41:53.520
then pups three one four my gosh that
0:41:49.619,0:41:57.720
pup distress three pup pie pup three one
0:41:53.520,0:42:00.300
four John the last that last trip to New
0:41:57.720,0:42:02.880
Mexico where you saw the video yes sir
0:42:00.300,0:42:06.119
um it was stupid how them coyotes were
0:42:02.880,0:42:08.579
coming to it and I just think that that
0:42:06.119,0:42:10.800
distress that puff and I'll play the
0:42:08.579,0:42:13.380
fights first this time of year and then
0:42:10.800,0:42:15.300
the distressed pop yep and then I go
0:42:13.380,0:42:18.359
into the serious fights you can't skip
0:42:15.300,0:42:20.820
the the den Mayhem you can't skip the
0:42:18.359,0:42:22.619
pound town you can't skip table scraps
0:42:20.820,0:42:24.480
so you're so you're playing you're
0:42:22.619,0:42:26.579
starting off with some pup house then
0:42:24.480,0:42:29.040
going to prey distress and then you're
0:42:26.579,0:42:30.960
playing your pup fights followed by pup
0:42:29.040,0:42:33.420
distress and then at the end you're
0:42:30.960,0:42:36.960
finishing with an all-out adult type or
0:42:33.420,0:42:41.460
sub adult type table scraps
0:42:36.960,0:42:43.200
Pound Town Den Mayhem and then I will
0:42:41.460,0:42:46.760
not leave a stand this time of year
0:42:43.200,0:42:51.480
without playing pup distress three
0:42:46.760,0:42:53.400
you can't and honestly John I'll throw a
0:42:51.480,0:42:55.160
diaphragm in my mouth
0:42:53.400,0:42:58.200
that uh
0:42:55.160,0:43:02.880
those collars that we make that loaded
0:42:58.200,0:43:06.140
them yeah yeah Top Gun or Top Gun
0:43:02.880,0:43:10.260
and The Smoking Gun
0:43:06.140,0:43:12.839
yeah yeah you know that's my favorite
0:43:10.260,0:43:17.220
that is my favorite it's the white with
0:43:12.839,0:43:19.619
the red latex and yes I'm telling you if
0:43:17.220,0:43:21.359
you can just throw while you're doing
0:43:19.619,0:43:23.880
the pup fights
0:43:21.359,0:43:26.280
if you can just you've heard me throw in
0:43:23.880,0:43:28.020
those diaphragm whimpers and wines and
0:43:26.280,0:43:31.200
and yips
0:43:28.020,0:43:33.839
I just it sounds like a group of pups
0:43:31.200,0:43:36.300
have wandered into an area that they
0:43:33.839,0:43:38.040
don't belong they're fighting over the
0:43:36.300,0:43:39.960
rabbit that they heard for 10 minutes
0:43:38.040,0:43:41.339
eight minutes seven minutes it doesn't
0:43:39.960,0:43:43.980
matter
0:43:41.339,0:43:45.960
and they heard them how they heard the
0:43:43.980,0:43:48.359
rabbit they heard them fighting over it
0:43:45.960,0:43:50.819
they're yipping and yiping and whining
0:43:48.359,0:43:52.500
and fighting over it and now they're
0:43:50.819,0:43:55.680
really fighting over it
0:43:52.500,0:43:58.020
and and they're distressing over it and
0:43:55.680,0:44:00.780
I'm just telling you what
0:43:58.020,0:44:03.900
I don't think you give me that Smoking
0:44:00.780,0:44:05.520
Gun you give me any of the fox Pros with
0:44:03.900,0:44:08.099
the big screens little screens doesn't
0:44:05.520,0:44:10.260
matter I don't think there's a coyote in
0:44:08.099,0:44:12.300
North America I don't think there's a
0:44:10.260,0:44:13.680
coyote in South America I don't even
0:44:12.300,0:44:15.480
think they're called coyotes down there
0:44:13.680,0:44:17.119
I think they call them wolves I just
0:44:15.480,0:44:21.240
don't think
0:44:17.119,0:44:23.040
and stay away from me I don't how long
0:44:21.240,0:44:24.300
how long are your coyote stands this
0:44:23.040,0:44:25.380
time of year through September and
0:44:24.300,0:44:30.359
October
0:44:25.380,0:44:33.240
so filming and for fun I'm staying 20 25
0:44:30.359,0:44:37.020
minutes now yep because it's so hard
0:44:33.240,0:44:39.000
that camera is so bulky that uh you've
0:44:37.020,0:44:40.680
got to maximize your time on stand and
0:44:39.000,0:44:42.900
you just you know it's so hard on that
0:44:40.680,0:44:45.599
equipment in and out of the truck now if
0:44:42.900,0:44:47.819
I'm contest calling John although the
0:44:45.599,0:44:49.680
reason we won four and there's only a
0:44:47.819,0:44:52.680
couple guys alive with two
0:44:49.680,0:44:55.440
is because uh we'd only make eight to
0:44:52.680,0:44:57.960
ten twelve minute stance tops right and
0:44:55.440,0:45:00.359
we're running we would make 35 stands in
0:44:57.960,0:45:01.980
a day that's getting and we were we were
0:45:00.359,0:45:03.180
going to call coyotes in on half of
0:45:01.980,0:45:05.880
those stands and we were going to kill
0:45:03.180,0:45:08.099
every one of them and if you didn't make
0:45:05.880,0:45:10.500
35 stands and you didn't hit on half of
0:45:08.099,0:45:12.720
them you would not beat us right and uh
0:45:10.500,0:45:14.339
that's why we finished more than the
0:45:12.720,0:45:17.819
four World Championships we finished in
0:45:14.339,0:45:20.520
the top ten 22 of the 24 years we hunted
0:45:17.819,0:45:22.560
it awesome and and that that's the
0:45:20.520,0:45:24.599
record I'm most proud of is to stay in
0:45:22.560,0:45:26.280
the top ten when it was a traveling
0:45:24.599,0:45:28.440
Championship
0:45:26.280,0:45:32.220
um it used to be in Nevada it used to be
0:45:28.440,0:45:34.140
in uh Arizona New Mexico
0:45:32.220,0:45:37.460
um it didn't stay it was only two years
0:45:34.140,0:45:41.040
in one location and then it moved and uh
0:45:37.460,0:45:43.859
when you can call coyotes in four
0:45:41.040,0:45:45.900
different states and no home field
0:45:43.859,0:45:47.819
advantage and still finishing that top
0:45:45.900,0:45:51.540
ten with the best coyote hunters in the
0:45:47.819,0:45:53.700
world that's something to be proud of
0:45:51.540,0:45:56.819
we did it
0:45:53.700,0:45:58.920
um before we had a fox Pro you know we
0:45:56.819,0:46:02.599
didn't start we didn't start really
0:45:58.920,0:46:06.060
messing with foxtrot till 2010 I mean
0:46:02.599,0:46:09.660
2005 we might have we and they were out
0:46:06.060,0:46:12.720
in 97 you know 96 97 is when they
0:46:09.660,0:46:15.480
started the the fox Pros coming out and
0:46:12.720,0:46:17.520
uh we me and Garf primarily did it with
0:46:15.480,0:46:20.099
a diaphragm in my hand and a Cersei
0:46:17.520,0:46:22.200
rabbit calling garbage hands I would do
0:46:20.099,0:46:24.060
enough vocalizations on the diaphragm
0:46:22.200,0:46:26.700
and Garvin would make enough rabbit
0:46:24.060,0:46:29.460
sounds on that Cersei we actually were
0:46:26.700,0:46:31.980
doing my sequence that I talk about so
0:46:29.460,0:46:35.160
handling now we were doing the sequence
0:46:31.980,0:46:38.339
before the sequence had sounds on a unit
0:46:35.160,0:46:41.339
we were doing that sequence I would howl
0:46:38.339,0:46:43.619
on the diaphragm we'd wait a couple
0:46:41.339,0:46:47.400
minutes Garvin would blow on that Cersei
0:46:43.619,0:46:49.200
I would start doing pup distress pup you
0:46:47.400,0:46:51.180
know whimpers I didn't realize it was
0:46:49.200,0:46:52.859
kind of a pup fight thing I was doing on
0:46:51.180,0:46:56.760
a diaphragm and we were pulling the
0:46:52.859,0:47:00.119
trigger wrong coyotes and now to have it
0:46:56.760,0:47:02.300
on a unit I look down at my remote and
0:47:00.119,0:47:05.040
play all those sounds we used to fight
0:47:02.300,0:47:07.440
in mine in negative degree temperatures
0:47:05.040,0:47:10.400
to get those that Cersei would lock up
0:47:07.440,0:47:13.619
at -18 right
0:47:10.400,0:47:15.359
minus three degrees in Nevada
0:47:13.619,0:47:16.740
um it was hard to keep those things
0:47:15.359,0:47:18.960
running
0:47:16.740,0:47:21.300
well in the minus temperatures but it's
0:47:18.960,0:47:23.760
it really isn't rocket science if guys
0:47:21.300,0:47:26.220
will just go out figure out what their
0:47:23.760,0:47:27.720
primary food source is if there are
0:47:26.220,0:47:29.940
cottontail rabbits everywhere for
0:47:27.720,0:47:32.220
heaven's sakes clay Cottontail if there
0:47:29.940,0:47:33.839
are jackrabbits running everywhere you
0:47:32.220,0:47:35.520
better be playing the jackrabbits but
0:47:33.839,0:47:38.700
you can't skip the little stuff the
0:47:35.520,0:47:41.040
rodents the the ground dwelling mammals
0:47:38.700,0:47:44.099
you can't skip the deer you can't skip
0:47:41.040,0:47:48.380
the elk Fawn distress you can't skip the
0:47:44.099,0:47:52.380
the mule deer fawn the the
0:47:48.380,0:47:54.300
the Pronghorn the antelope Fawn you just
0:47:52.380,0:47:57.359
can't skip that stuff because it might
0:47:54.300,0:47:59.280
be what they're really hammering on it's
0:47:57.359,0:48:01.380
uh that's good stuff now we're starting
0:47:59.280,0:48:03.000
to run out of time here I got one
0:48:01.380,0:48:06.180
question for you one thing I'd like you
0:48:03.000,0:48:10.700
to leave us with what is your number one
0:48:06.180,0:48:12.420
tip for fall coyote calling from through
0:48:10.700,0:48:14.579
mid-september all the way through
0:48:12.420,0:48:16.619
October first part of November what
0:48:14.579,0:48:19.859
would be your number one coyote calling
0:48:16.619,0:48:21.660
tip that you'd like to like to tell
0:48:19.859,0:48:23.400
somebody that could help them get a
0:48:21.660,0:48:24.240
couple extra coyotes through his time
0:48:23.400,0:48:27.859
frame
0:48:24.240,0:48:31.140
it's the most coyotes of the year
0:48:27.859,0:48:34.200
get to where you can see
0:48:31.140,0:48:37.740
and I'm you know you you can't cover
0:48:34.200,0:48:39.180
360. it's just almost I've only sat a
0:48:37.740,0:48:41.220
couple stands in my life where I
0:48:39.180,0:48:45.359
honestly thought I could see 360 and get
0:48:41.220,0:48:47.400
her done it's just not it it just isn't
0:48:45.359,0:48:49.619
really possible out in the woods it just
0:48:47.400,0:48:51.480
doesn't happen very often I mean I've
0:48:49.619,0:48:52.800
only made three or four stands in my
0:48:51.480,0:48:55.440
life where I honestly thought I could
0:48:52.800,0:48:57.240
see 360 Degrees the coyotes aren't going
0:48:55.440,0:48:59.520
to pick me out and I'm gonna see any
0:48:57.240,0:49:03.420
coyote that comes within 500 yards it's
0:48:59.520,0:49:06.000
just that is such a rare animal so
0:49:03.420,0:49:08.880
set yourself up for Success this time of
0:49:06.000,0:49:11.460
year they're the dumbest coyotes of the
0:49:08.880,0:49:13.859
year they're only getting educated every
0:49:11.460,0:49:15.420
day from here on out right even dogging
0:49:13.859,0:49:17.280
as much as we did during the summer we
0:49:15.420,0:49:19.079
educated some of these pups right but
0:49:17.280,0:49:21.900
there are pups out there that have never
0:49:19.079,0:49:24.780
smelled a human never seen a human and
0:49:21.900,0:49:27.900
have never never reacted to a call
0:49:24.780,0:49:30.599
before so you've got this plethora of
0:49:27.900,0:49:32.839
dumb animals out there that if you will
0:49:30.599,0:49:35.040
set yourself up with a little elevation
0:49:32.839,0:49:39.240
or a cup
0:49:35.040,0:49:40.859
Hayfield a cut or a good plowed field on
0:49:39.240,0:49:42.960
the edge of some of this Hardwoods that
0:49:40.859,0:49:44.760
you just know these coyotes are in if
0:49:42.960,0:49:48.000
you will set yourself up on the edge of
0:49:44.760,0:49:50.640
this move that collar position those
0:49:48.000,0:49:53.400
coyotes to the open
0:49:50.640,0:49:55.740
and the way it takes more experience
0:49:53.400,0:49:57.720
it's one thing to sit here and talk on a
0:49:55.740,0:50:00.300
podcast and tell you to position coyotes
0:49:57.720,0:50:01.740
with the fox Pro but the more you do it
0:50:00.300,0:50:03.780
the more you'll understand what Al
0:50:01.740,0:50:06.359
Morris is saying if you will position
0:50:03.780,0:50:08.579
those coyotes and one of the best guys
0:50:06.359,0:50:10.440
you can watch in the whole planet if you
0:50:08.579,0:50:13.380
want to watch somebody position coyotes
0:50:10.440,0:50:16.740
watch what John Collins does in Kentucky
0:50:13.380,0:50:18.839
he is positioning those coyotes where he
0:50:16.740,0:50:20.760
is going to get a shot at him and I'm
0:50:18.839,0:50:23.700
going to let John talk about it before
0:50:20.760,0:50:25.920
we close this but use that caller to
0:50:23.700,0:50:28.380
position those coyotes in the most open
0:50:25.920,0:50:30.540
area you can find and you will put more
0:50:28.380,0:50:32.520
fur in the truck you'll put more fur in
0:50:30.540,0:50:35.640
the first shed and you will become a
0:50:32.520,0:50:37.980
badass Foxpro killing mofo because you
0:50:35.640,0:50:39.660
hung out with John and Al Morris hey I
0:50:37.980,0:50:41.520
appreciate I appreciate the kind words
0:50:39.660,0:50:43.200
especially especially coming from you
0:50:41.520,0:50:45.000
and you're totally right about
0:50:43.200,0:50:46.619
positioning coyotes you can if you've
0:50:45.000,0:50:50.220
got a good idea where your coyotes are
0:50:46.619,0:50:53.460
at and uh you can actually position your
0:50:50.220,0:50:55.079
call without how you're sitting and your
0:50:53.460,0:50:57.119
wind direction and you can actually
0:50:55.079,0:50:58.619
Place those coyotes exactly where you
0:50:57.119,0:51:00.480
want them to and I kind of learned that
0:50:58.619,0:51:01.980
out of necessity you know kind of doing
0:51:00.480,0:51:05.099
what me and you do for a living you know
0:51:01.980,0:51:07.740
I had to get into uh self filming quite
0:51:05.099,0:51:09.420
a bit so I have to make sure everything
0:51:07.740,0:51:11.099
plays out just perfect because those
0:51:09.420,0:51:12.540
coyotes have got to read the script for
0:51:11.099,0:51:14.819
me to get those coyotes on film
0:51:12.540,0:51:16.680
self-filming so I learned a lot doing
0:51:14.819,0:51:18.300
that I learned that hey you know I can
0:51:16.680,0:51:20.280
set this call over here to the right
0:51:18.300,0:51:22.800
with this right to left crosswind and I
0:51:20.280,0:51:24.540
can put my rifle over to the left and I
0:51:22.800,0:51:26.280
can make those coyotes come to the front
0:51:24.540,0:51:28.440
of my gunbar without me having to move
0:51:26.280,0:51:30.240
it so that is and just like you said you
0:51:28.440,0:51:32.280
just kind of got to make you got to get
0:51:30.240,0:51:35.400
experience in you got to make have time
0:51:32.280,0:51:39.480
in the field time on sale they can watch
0:51:35.400,0:51:41.400
me and you on video a thousand times and
0:51:39.480,0:51:43.740
it won't be the same as when they
0:51:41.400,0:51:46.619
position their first coyote into that
0:51:43.740,0:51:49.380
open area into that cattle pasture into
0:51:46.619,0:51:51.720
that metal into that corn field that's
0:51:49.380,0:51:54.660
been cut into that field that's been
0:51:51.720,0:51:56.640
mowed into that plowed field that that
0:51:54.660,0:51:58.319
chip field you know those coyotes are
0:51:56.640,0:51:59.579
living out in that corn this time of
0:51:58.319,0:52:03.000
year and all of a sudden that corn is
0:51:59.579,0:52:04.980
gone yes and they they lost their they
0:52:03.000,0:52:07.140
spent all summer in that they had all
0:52:04.980,0:52:09.000
the water they needed and then when that
0:52:07.140,0:52:11.280
corn ripened if it was sweet corn they
0:52:09.000,0:52:14.819
were eating it right on the damn stock
0:52:11.280,0:52:17.099
and now that corn is knocked and gone or
0:52:14.819,0:52:19.200
they're they're they're cutting that
0:52:17.099,0:52:22.200
corn and those coyotes are going to be
0:52:19.200,0:52:24.240
repositioned and you can reposition them
0:52:22.200,0:52:25.980
right back out into those into those
0:52:24.240,0:52:28.260
fields where they lived all summer they
0:52:25.980,0:52:30.960
feel really confident where they were
0:52:28.260,0:52:32.760
and you can trick them into that rabbit
0:52:30.960,0:52:35.099
that's sitting out there in that stubble
0:52:32.760,0:52:36.540
you can trick them to come back out one
0:52:35.099,0:52:39.000
more time and it'll be the last time
0:52:36.540,0:52:40.740
they ever do because you're gonna put
0:52:39.000,0:52:42.240
that Ruger on there with that Leopold
0:52:40.740,0:52:43.680
and the hux works up front shooting the
0:52:42.240,0:52:46.020
Hornady and we're going to put them in
0:52:43.680,0:52:47.520
the ground and by golly John I I don't
0:52:46.020,0:52:48.839
know what else I can say about fall
0:52:47.520,0:52:51.359
calling
0:52:48.839,0:52:53.760
um other than to go out cast it get you
0:52:51.359,0:52:56.640
the new Fox bro we got some Dynamite
0:52:53.760,0:52:59.520
units we've got some Dynamite sounds we
0:52:56.640,0:53:01.380
teamed up with mfk I just really I don't
0:52:59.520,0:53:02.880
think you'll get a better made caller
0:53:01.380,0:53:04.200
anywhere than the American-made Fox
0:53:02.880,0:53:06.420
pearls I don't think you'll get any
0:53:04.200,0:53:08.940
better sound libraries than the Foxpro
0:53:06.420,0:53:11.160
Sound Library teamed up with mfk I
0:53:08.940,0:53:13.260
really think that just that alone the
0:53:11.160,0:53:14.700
fox PRO Sound list and the mfk sound
0:53:13.260,0:53:16.859
list you're going to put more fur in the
0:53:14.700,0:53:19.800
truck if you just listen to what we say
0:53:16.859,0:53:21.660
Hon y'all that's right I that's great
0:53:19.800,0:53:23.339
advice I couldn't say any of that any
0:53:21.660,0:53:25.559
better Al we got just like you said
0:53:23.339,0:53:28.319
awesome units made by an awesome company
0:53:25.559,0:53:29.339
two of the the two top sound libraries
0:53:28.319,0:53:31.500
out there that you can play through
0:53:29.339,0:53:34.020
those speakers just the best the best
0:53:31.500,0:53:36.119
you know the best out there only one one
0:53:34.020,0:53:37.859
other tip I'll leave everybody with for
0:53:36.119,0:53:40.680
this time of year just kind of build off
0:53:37.859,0:53:43.260
what Al said because he was spot on is
0:53:40.680,0:53:45.119
uh if you do call a coyote say you're
0:53:43.260,0:53:47.700
early in the stand you call a kite won't
0:53:45.119,0:53:49.440
come screaming in you put you put a
0:53:47.700,0:53:51.359
bulletin game knock down
0:53:49.440,0:53:52.680
keep calling because this is one of
0:53:51.359,0:53:54.000
those time of years like we just talked
0:53:52.680,0:53:55.200
about you can really stack up those
0:53:54.000,0:53:57.660
numbers because like we was talking
0:53:55.200,0:53:59.400
about all these family members are still
0:53:57.660,0:54:01.980
in the same general area just because
0:53:59.400,0:54:03.660
you call a single earlier early in the
0:54:01.980,0:54:05.339
stand doesn't mean you're not still
0:54:03.660,0:54:08.160
calling coyotes that haven't got there
0:54:05.339,0:54:10.260
yet so keep calling Al I know you've
0:54:08.160,0:54:12.720
done this for years this time of year
0:54:10.260,0:54:15.540
when most of my a lot of my doubles and
0:54:12.720,0:54:18.540
triples and quads are all singles in the
0:54:15.540,0:54:20.460
same stand you call one child kill it I
0:54:18.540,0:54:22.380
killed five coyotes in October they all
0:54:20.460,0:54:24.359
trickled in about a minute apart right
0:54:22.380,0:54:26.220
and I just kept stacking them up on each
0:54:24.359,0:54:29.280
other they would sniff the Dead one yes
0:54:26.220,0:54:32.520
and man when you stack fire on one stand
0:54:29.280,0:54:35.099
you think you are the man you are when
0:54:32.520,0:54:36.900
you do that yeah I know and it's and
0:54:35.099,0:54:39.359
it's because they were all they were
0:54:36.900,0:54:41.339
they they heard the commotion they heard
0:54:39.359,0:54:43.920
and that was before I was shooting
0:54:41.339,0:54:46.800
suppressed I'm really going for a six a
0:54:43.920,0:54:48.420
six-pack sometime uh now that I got the
0:54:46.800,0:54:50.339
hux works on the front of that gun but
0:54:48.420,0:54:52.200
you're right on John keep calling
0:54:50.339,0:54:54.540
because you just don't know I always
0:54:52.200,0:54:57.599
appreciate you coming on old buddy
0:54:54.540,0:54:59.520
well anytime John we got to get a we got
0:54:57.599,0:55:02.940
to get a hunt planned we kind of our our
0:54:59.520,0:55:05.040
our October plan kind of got screwed up
0:55:02.940,0:55:07.140
but we'll uh we'll punt we'll find
0:55:05.040,0:55:09.420
somewhere else to go hang out I it
0:55:07.140,0:55:11.819
sounds awesome to me hey good luck next
0:55:09.420,0:55:13.380
week uh hope hopefully you and Al catch
0:55:11.819,0:55:16.020
up to a wolf pack I hope y'all get a
0:55:13.380,0:55:19.319
wolf or two down me and Tom I I'm I'm
0:55:16.020,0:55:22.200
leaving 3 A.M picking Tom up at 4 45 we
0:55:19.319,0:55:24.720
will be first light we will be on stand
0:55:22.200,0:55:26.880
somewhere tomorrow morning awesome can't
0:55:24.720,0:55:29.640
wait to see how that unfolds if you guys
0:55:26.880,0:55:31.740
uh uh hopefully you've enjoyed this
0:55:29.640,0:55:34.760
episode please join us again right here
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on the Foxpro podcast