FOXPRO's Jon Collins talks everything predator hunting with Jeff Thomason of Predator Pursuit.
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taker Resurrection now let's get to the
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podcast today we're joined by Jeff
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Thomasson Jeff is chased Predators all
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over the world and is the host of The
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Sportsman's Channel TV show Predator
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Pursuit it's great to have you on Jeff
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how you been doing buddy man I've been
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doing good brother I appreciate you
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having me on yeah it's it's good to have
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you on it's been uh I guess I saw you
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what was it about 3 weeks ago or
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something like that and I think when I
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saw you it was like 119 outside down in
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Texas I'm going tell you right now it's
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it's about as bad as as I can remember
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it being down here we had just oh man
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it's like we're on fire but it's I'll
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tell you though the last couple days
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have been really good we've had some
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mornings that were in the 70s and you
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know started to feel a little started to
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feel a little good like it was getting
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to be about that time so it'll be here
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before we know it well it wasn't like it
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about it wasn't like it that Fort Worth
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show we saw yet man you walk outside it
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was already in the mid 90s first thing
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in the morning and when you come out
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that show in the evening and late
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afternoon it was it was wild to feel all
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that heat that heat that was radiating
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off at concrete and black top down in
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Fort Worth it was wild I was driving
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home from that show and I I called my
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cameraman I was talking to him and it
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was like 11 o'clock and it was like 96
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degrees it was horrible dude the the
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wildest thing about it was you come out
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of the out of the show and get outside
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there would be a a breeze and you'd feel
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it start to hit you're like oh man man
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yes a breeze well that breeze was just
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nothing
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but hot air there was no relief to it at
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all it was just I think it made it
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hotter that's the first time I've ever
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experienced that I guess I blow dryer
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exactly exactly like a hair dryer
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blowing on your face it's it's just no
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relief but we're almost through it man
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we're almost there yeah and I think uh
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you was fixing the head off to uh go
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kill a shark was that right I did that's
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right I did I
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uh California man typically don't have
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too much good to say about California
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but they've got some of the best weather
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you can ever ever imagine and they've
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got some uh big makeo sharks over there
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so it's a pretty fun trip it kind of it
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ties in well with the show so it gives
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me the opportunity to to kind of get out
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of the Heat and go to where it's 75
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degrees every day so so I enjoy it when
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I get to go do that that's pretty nice
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we'll have to touch on that a little bit
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more here
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when we get get on into the thick of
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this podcast but uh guys here on the fox
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Pro podcast we pull guests that are some
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of the best Predator hunters in the
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world to come talk on this podcast and
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in my opinion Jeff is one of those guys
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tons of experience with coyotes fox
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Bobcats pretty much everything hunts day
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and night he also is well traveled um he
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hunts several different states and he's
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even called Predators over in Africa so
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I'm going to be asking Jeff a few
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questions get his side on Predator
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Collin day and night we'll cover a few
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different topics but uh Jeff before we
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get started You' like to tell everybody
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a little bit more about
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yourself H sure yeah we uh so I live
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here in Texas obviously we've been
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talking about that but uh got started
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you know getting real serious into
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predator hunting it's been right at 20
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21 years ago uh started started doing a
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little calling and just one of those
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things where I was like man you know
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this is really cool you know I tell all
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my friends about it and they were just
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kind of oh yeah I bet it sounds cool I
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was like no I'm telling you guys like
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this is unbelievable I was like I got to
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start carrying a camera with me and
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that's really where it all started just
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just toing that camera around and just
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getting addicted to it and and calling
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in Kyle's left and right and uh wasn't
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just a couple years after that I started
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doing some DVDs back in the DVD days
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when those were you know up and coming
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and put out four four
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DVDs and I guess that was probably
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somewhere around 2004 to 2008 is I'm I'm
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thinking right getting old John I'm
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losing my memory right so we would do
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the we did the DVDs and then uh it was
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just kind of a a natural progression to
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to the TV and um that was back before
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YouTube or Facebook or any of that you
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know and uh it's just one of those deals
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man it worked out really good and um
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predator hunting was I don't want to say
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it was new but it wasn't near as popular
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as it is now and you know people got to
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see it and you know it just it caught on
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and and now it is just supposedly they
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say it every year but it's the the
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fastest growing hunting sport out there
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so yep yep and pretty cool I still
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believe it is that and seems like
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waterfoul takes big leaps every year as
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well but yeah we're one of the the
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fastest growing corners of the of the
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outdoor industry that's for sure so you
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know you've been doing it for over 20
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plus years sound like what what actually
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got you into coyote calling what made
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you decide hey I'm want to go see if I
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can't call up some
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coyotes you know as a kid you know I
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didn't get to hunt just a ton but when I
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when I would get to go you know we'd go
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deer hunting in East Texas and there was
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hardly any deer so it was one of those
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deals where you'd go sit for a week and
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you were pretty pumped if you saw like
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to Deer right but we always had coyotes
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howling you know this and that and
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carrying on and um just one day I
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happened to come across I think we were
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at some sort of a little you know kind
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of a trades day type deal and this guy
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had a had a coyote call and looking back
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on it I mean it was a piece of junk but
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he knew how to blow that thing and I I
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got to talking to him and he kind of
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told me gave me some tips and man I was
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hooked and uh went out there and it was
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literally I think the second time I ever
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sat down I had three coyotes running on
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me in the
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daytime and it's like everybody says I
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mean once you see that happen it's
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you're done that's all it took wasn't it
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that's all it took and man it was just
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from then on you know we started getting
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in these little contests and you know
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just just got ate up with it yeah one
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thing led to another then you found out
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you know what I'm pretty decent at this
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I might as well start a TV show
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pretty much that's kind of it's kind of
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how it started I as well just start
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seeing what I can come up with and right
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look look at us now right we're right
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yeah we're traveling all over the place
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so got pretty lucky on that I mean I
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haven't went back and and looked up no
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numbers or nothing like that but you're
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you probably know Predator Pursuit is
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probably one of the or if not the
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longest running predator hunting show
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still on TV today I mean it's got to be
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pretty close to Accurate right
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you know I think so somebody actually
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said that the other day and I was like
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man I hadn't really thought of it like
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that but one one of one of run yeah
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that's right you know there's some of
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the big guys you know that that really
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got it going you know Randy Anderson Les
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Johnson yep I mean a couple of us and
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you know it just kind of I've been real
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fortunate John I mean I've had great
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sponsors obviously Fox Pro I mean I've
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been with fo Pro for gosh 20 years yep
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believe it or not I mean that's they're
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one of my one of my very first uh big
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sponsors and you know a lot of guys
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probably didn't realize it it's been
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around that long but man they've lots of
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good sponsors and you know lots of good
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fans people watching the show and that's
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what's that's what's kept it going yep
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in case everybody's wondering just Fe
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just kind of going right off what he
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said you know the um I guess the founded
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date you know Fox Pro was started back
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in 199 93 it was actually going before
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that but that's kind of the official
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start would be 1993 so yeah been in the
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Predator calling game for a long time
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and was actually producing producing
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calls and working on stuff before 1993
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so yeah been it's it's been going for
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for several years now for
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sure hey Jeff La the last time that I
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that I talked to you I was down there in
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Texas we talked about calling a little
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bit K KY calling and and it's made me
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think a little bit since then about
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people's different calling Styles you'd
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questioned me on running so much vocals
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uh different times of the year and it
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kind of got me to thinking you know
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there's uh those conversations get
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struck up pretty often like you know
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somebody say well you know I noticed you
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do a lot of this and man I never do that
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and you know I still call all kinds of
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Coes and but I see what you're doing
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works and you call ton of Cs maybe I
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should start doing what you're doing and
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then in return you know I see somebody
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doing something different and I'm like
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man you know maybe I should do kind of
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mirror their calling style and see what
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the differences are then I get to
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thinking you know uh it's kind of I
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don't know if y'all have the same saying
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this might be just something in Kentucky
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I don't know but they say there's a
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saying you know it's a there's more than
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one way to to skin a cat uh and that
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that holds true with coyote calling uh
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there's many right ways to do to call a
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coyot in uh there's also many wrong ways
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to do it that could really get you in a
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lot of trouble as well but um when we
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were talking Jeff it sound like you're
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pretty much you're really prey to stress
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heavy is that
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correct man I would say 90%
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but like everybody else you know I'm
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watching your stuff and listening to
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Tori and and all these guys that are
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doing these vocals I'm like man that's
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just it's really cool it's something I'm
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interested in but we talked about it a
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little bit you know it's kind of
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overwhelming to to just jump into
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something new like that but that's where
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it's at man is talking to talking to
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these guys and listen list to these
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podcasts and you know if they're having
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success with it man that's just another
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that's just another tool in my tool bag
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that you know it makes it fun too you
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know it's not the same you know change
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it up a little bit especially different
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times of the year you know whenever
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they're they're paired up or or denting
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and things like that locating I mean it
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it absolutely has its place but you know
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like I said around here man I just I lay
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off of them June July August I mean you
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were here you saw what it was like oh
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yeah it's miserable so I just kind of
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take take a little bit of a break and um
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I might be missing out on some really
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really good stuff on the vocals but you
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know it's just that's just kind of the
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time to to give them a break hang out
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with family a little bit more about
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October man you know we hit the ground
0:11:17.800,0:11:21.920
running so right right well it's it's
0:11:20.320,0:11:24.959
kind of tough do stuff when the heat
0:11:21.920,0:11:27.600
index is 120 it terrible even when we
0:11:24.959,0:11:30.240
were dogging you know using the dogs I
0:11:27.600,0:11:31.839
mean we were out third July you know
0:11:30.240,0:11:33.440
August and and they were they were
0:11:31.839,0:11:35.959
responsive we were dogging them pretty
0:11:33.440,0:11:38.760
good but you know by 11 12:00 in the
0:11:35.959,0:11:40.360
morning even the dogs are just they're
0:11:38.760,0:11:42.200
done you know you got to put them out
0:11:40.360,0:11:44.920
you know you can't can't keep running
0:11:42.200,0:11:46.639
them all day or overheat them so but
0:11:44.920,0:11:49.760
yeah I mean I I would definitely say I'm
0:11:46.639,0:11:51.760
I'm very very pry heavy right and it and
0:11:49.760,0:11:54.839
it works for you you know that's that's
0:11:51.760,0:11:57.959
the main thing you know I sometimes I
0:11:54.839,0:11:59.560
wonder if if people listen or watch and
0:11:57.959,0:12:01.560
and they're having a lot of success
0:11:59.560,0:12:02.959
running whatever style calling that they
0:12:01.560,0:12:05.440
like to run and say if it's different
0:12:02.959,0:12:07.600
than what we talk about you know listen
0:12:05.440,0:12:09.480
guys if it works for you there's no way
0:12:07.600,0:12:11.160
there's no reason to steer from it like
0:12:09.480,0:12:14.160
if you're still consistently calling
0:12:11.160,0:12:15.680
coyotes and how you like to how you like
0:12:14.160,0:12:17.800
to run your call what type of sounds you
0:12:15.680,0:12:19.920
like to run the sequences volume levels
0:12:17.800,0:12:22.199
all that type of stuff if you're calling
0:12:19.920,0:12:25.000
Couts don't don't change nothing up CU
0:12:22.199,0:12:26.839
it's working but if you get in those
0:12:25.000,0:12:29.920
situations where you get those dry
0:12:26.839,0:12:33.199
spells uh where you're not calling KY 10
0:12:29.920,0:12:34.560
as consistent as you were once before or
0:12:33.199,0:12:36.639
whatever you know that's when you look
0:12:34.560,0:12:39.519
up and say hey maybe it's time to switch
0:12:36.639,0:12:41.959
things up for for a little bit and and
0:12:39.519,0:12:43.720
you know you could run more vocals or
0:12:41.959,0:12:45.240
more pray to stress just do something
0:12:43.720,0:12:47.040
different maybe something you've heard
0:12:45.240,0:12:49.440
off this podcast or you've seen off
0:12:47.040,0:12:51.320
YouTube or whatever and and put that
0:12:49.440,0:12:53.560
into play and might help you get a
0:12:51.320,0:12:54.920
couple extra Couts by then the year so
0:12:53.560,0:12:56.920
you know just kind of keep that in mind
0:12:54.920,0:12:59.720
so that's kind of what I told you Jeff
0:12:56.920,0:13:02.000
it man I know you questioning me about
0:12:59.720,0:13:03.399
the vocals but man you call just as many
0:13:02.000,0:13:05.000
coyotes as anybody so I don't know if
0:13:03.399,0:13:06.360
I'd actually do anything different
0:13:05.000,0:13:07.839
that's for sure hey if they're going to
0:13:06.360,0:13:09.959
come to Baby coot they're gonna come to
0:13:07.839,0:13:12.199
Baby Co right that's right that was that
0:13:09.959,0:13:13.600
was the discussion we had I was like man
0:13:12.199,0:13:17.360
I really want to start using these
0:13:13.600,0:13:19.639
vocals but when I know that whatever I'm
0:13:17.360,0:13:21.639
in West Texas I'm I don't call a Coy
0:13:19.639,0:13:23.680
every stand but I call them on majority
0:13:21.639,0:13:26.959
of the stands right it's like man if
0:13:23.680,0:13:28.839
they're running into kg Cotton Tail you
0:13:26.959,0:13:32.600
know at the two or three minute mark
0:13:28.839,0:13:34.279
most every stand it's real hard to shift
0:13:32.600,0:13:36.600
gears and go to something else you know
0:13:34.279,0:13:38.079
but I I mean we have we do house some
0:13:36.600,0:13:40.480
just for fun especially if they start
0:13:38.079,0:13:44.320
howling first yep you know it's it's
0:13:40.480,0:13:46.639
almost like I use it as a as a locator
0:13:44.320,0:13:48.839
you know I'll pull up my Onyx and say
0:13:46.639,0:13:51.880
man I feel like they're probably you
0:13:48.839,0:13:53.600
know three4 of a mile away a mile away
0:13:51.880,0:13:56.040
and I'll look at it on there and try to
0:13:53.600,0:13:59.279
try to ease in a little bit closer and
0:13:56.040,0:14:01.639
try that way but yeah I mean it's
0:13:59.279,0:14:04.440
but definitely yes I'm definitely pray
0:14:01.639,0:14:07.399
to stress heavy yeah I mean uh you said
0:14:04.440,0:14:09.399
you every once in a while you do how at
0:14:07.399,0:14:12.160
beginning of stands or the locate or
0:14:09.399,0:14:14.399
whatever um what other vocals do you do
0:14:12.160,0:14:15.800
you run any dist pup distresses fights
0:14:14.399,0:14:18.320
or anything like it say like towards the
0:14:15.800,0:14:20.600
end of your stand yeah especially the
0:14:18.320,0:14:23.000
last year to two years and we talked
0:14:20.600,0:14:24.519
about that just a little bit but I mean
0:14:23.000,0:14:26.600
with all the stuff that that Tori and
0:14:24.519,0:14:29.199
them are putting out with you know pound
0:14:26.600,0:14:31.440
town and you know I just I called in a
0:14:29.199,0:14:34.199
few coyotes last year real late into the
0:14:31.440,0:14:37.680
stand after I'd ran through you know
0:14:34.199,0:14:39.839
four to five pray distress you know I
0:14:37.680,0:14:41.199
went through my my baby Cotton Tail my
0:14:39.839,0:14:43.480
cage you know and just ran through him
0:14:41.199,0:14:46.320
and nothing was happening hit the pound
0:14:43.480,0:14:49.920
town and not two minutes later here they
0:14:46.320,0:14:52.920
came right you know I don't know if it
0:14:49.920,0:14:55.399
was they couldn't hear the distress
0:14:52.920,0:14:57.240
sounds or if that's all it took to to
0:14:55.399,0:14:59.040
just flip that switch and and I've
0:14:57.240,0:15:01.320
watched coyotes and I'm sure you have
0:14:59.040,0:15:04.199
too that I knew were there and I could
0:15:01.320,0:15:06.839
see them and went through three or four
0:15:04.199,0:15:08.880
distress sounds and then hit that one
0:15:06.839,0:15:10.959
and they come triggers here they come
0:15:08.880,0:15:14.800
that's it and I remember when I started
0:15:10.959,0:15:17.680
this I was just like scared to death to
0:15:14.800,0:15:19.600
change sounds like I just oh man I don't
0:15:17.680,0:15:22.240
want to mess it up I'm scared to do this
0:15:19.600,0:15:24.040
I don't want to try that and after a
0:15:22.240,0:15:26.720
couple times of seeing that happen I was
0:15:24.040,0:15:29.040
like okay we're we're in a different
0:15:26.720,0:15:31.480
game here like we can we can really play
0:15:29.040,0:15:33.480
and and I won't leave a stand until I've
0:15:31.480,0:15:36.440
tried I run
0:15:33.480,0:15:40.720
average four or five sounds per stand
0:15:36.440,0:15:44.440
right yep yep yep no it's uh that's good
0:15:40.720,0:15:47.519
stuff and and I think that some people
0:15:44.440,0:15:50.120
that maybe have come into the KY calling
0:15:47.519,0:15:52.680
game here as of late they'll hear a lot
0:15:50.120,0:15:55.199
of talk of of of vocals and stuff like
0:15:52.680,0:15:57.480
that and and I think maybe sometimes
0:15:55.199,0:16:01.120
that pray of stress gets pushed off to
0:15:57.480,0:16:03.000
the side and um it does for me through
0:16:01.120,0:16:05.399
certain months like especially during
0:16:03.000,0:16:08.519
the dinning and pupping season I won't
0:16:05.399,0:16:10.440
hardly play any uh uh pray distress
0:16:08.519,0:16:12.519
because for multiple reasons one they're
0:16:10.440,0:16:15.319
going to come to the vocals better
0:16:12.519,0:16:18.000
during those months uh the second thing
0:16:15.319,0:16:21.160
is when it does roll into mid September
0:16:18.000,0:16:23.120
October uh all those sounds are fresh so
0:16:21.160,0:16:26.440
I can go summertime call some of these
0:16:23.120,0:16:28.600
places running 100% vocals and if I
0:16:26.440,0:16:30.519
leave coyotes on the table which most
0:16:28.600,0:16:31.880
time you are going to do you can
0:16:30.519,0:16:33.880
actually Circle back and make those
0:16:31.880,0:16:35.360
stands again come fall and run prey
0:16:33.880,0:16:37.759
distress and you're throwing out fresh
0:16:35.360,0:16:40.000
sounds to those kot's ears so that's one
0:16:37.759,0:16:42.440
of the big things to to kind of remember
0:16:40.000,0:16:46.839
guys is we got a ton of sounds for a
0:16:42.440,0:16:48.839
reason and uh pray dist stress is if it
0:16:46.839,0:16:51.279
all comes right down to it a coyote
0:16:48.839,0:16:53.120
doesn't have to come a coyote doesn't
0:16:51.279,0:16:55.199
have to come watch a fight he doesn't
0:16:53.120,0:16:57.680
have to come get into a fight he doesn't
0:16:55.199,0:16:59.279
have to come protect uh pups he doesn't
0:16:57.680,0:17:00.759
have to do any of that type of stuff has
0:16:59.279,0:17:03.800
anything to do with vocals he doesn't
0:17:00.759,0:17:05.199
have to go find a mate and and stuff
0:17:03.800,0:17:07.120
during the during the breeding season
0:17:05.199,0:17:09.600
but one thing that coyot does have to do
0:17:07.120,0:17:11.839
he has to feed if that Coyote's going to
0:17:09.600,0:17:14.120
survive for more than just a few days
0:17:11.839,0:17:17.120
he's got to eat ain't that right Jeff
0:17:14.120,0:17:19.400
that that's 100% right and that's that's
0:17:17.120,0:17:21.439
one of the reasons early on I I shot
0:17:19.400,0:17:23.839
away from some vocals
0:17:21.439,0:17:26.280
because for one we weren't as educated
0:17:23.839,0:17:27.959
on this stuff you know this is fairly
0:17:26.280,0:17:29.240
new you know a lot of these sounds are
0:17:27.959,0:17:31.080
new
0:17:29.240,0:17:33.320
you know I I was always nervous that if
0:17:31.080,0:17:35.880
I play the wrong how you know I'm going
0:17:33.320,0:17:37.600
to scare away the the younger you know
0:17:35.880,0:17:39.640
the upand comers that are thinking well
0:17:37.600,0:17:41.080
this is a dominant or right you know a
0:17:39.640,0:17:42.440
female that doesn't want to come over
0:17:41.080,0:17:44.880
here and you know I felt like I was
0:17:42.440,0:17:47.799
really limiting what was going to
0:17:44.880,0:17:50.799
respond so that's why I usually in my
0:17:47.799,0:17:52.840
mind would always start with with prey
0:17:50.799,0:17:54.880
you know and try to get them on that
0:17:52.840,0:17:57.679
that hunger Factor right and after a
0:17:54.880,0:17:59.840
while if that didn't work maybe a
0:17:57.679,0:18:02.200
submissive Ty how and if that didn't
0:17:59.840,0:18:03.919
work then a fight you know then you're
0:18:02.200,0:18:06.679
kind of hitting them from all angles you
0:18:03.919,0:18:08.960
know you really kind of up in your odds
0:18:06.679,0:18:12.000
there and and it works I mean I've had
0:18:08.960,0:18:14.360
really good success doing that y that uh
0:18:12.000,0:18:16.960
I mean I think that's a great way to go
0:18:14.360,0:18:18.799
into it just hitting on stuff that uh
0:18:16.960,0:18:20.520
that can trigger a CO and and you're
0:18:18.799,0:18:22.480
right I mean it is possible that you can
0:18:20.520,0:18:24.760
lead with an aggressive sound and
0:18:22.480,0:18:26.760
there's some coyotes that will shy away
0:18:24.760,0:18:29.200
from that I've always been somebody that
0:18:26.760,0:18:31.480
kind of likes to build and intensity
0:18:29.200,0:18:34.000
throughout the stand uh you know I do
0:18:31.480,0:18:36.640
howl a lot right off the bat but I like
0:18:34.000,0:18:39.600
your more non-aggressive sounding hows
0:18:36.640,0:18:40.760
and stuff like that but yeah I I totally
0:18:39.600,0:18:42.559
understand where you're coming from I
0:18:40.760,0:18:44.120
mean I have seen Coyotes out somewhere
0:18:42.559,0:18:45.799
and have have hit something pretty
0:18:44.120,0:18:47.720
aggressive to start with and I've
0:18:45.799,0:18:50.039
watched those coyotes just like you was
0:18:47.720,0:18:51.520
talking about seeing Coyotes out and
0:18:50.039,0:18:52.919
playing through two or three sounds and
0:18:51.520,0:18:54.120
seeing them not even hardly even looking
0:18:52.919,0:18:55.799
up and even act like they're even
0:18:54.120,0:18:57.200
listening to you well I've also seen
0:18:55.799,0:18:58.559
where you play something they look perk
0:18:57.200,0:19:00.320
up and look then turn around take off
0:18:58.559,0:19:01.840
running other way that's a horrible
0:19:00.320,0:19:04.320
feeling when you see
0:19:01.840,0:19:07.799
that you're like well never playing that
0:19:04.320,0:19:09.760
sound again exactly work but it's all
0:19:07.799,0:19:11.520
learning man and that's what I was going
0:19:09.760,0:19:13.360
to tell you I mean we we talked about
0:19:11.520,0:19:16.080
you coming out hunting this year and I I
0:19:13.360,0:19:19.080
really hope you make it but when you do
0:19:16.080,0:19:21.240
I'm handing you the remote don't do that
0:19:19.080,0:19:22.840
you yeah you do this I want I want to
0:19:21.240,0:19:25.679
see how you do it and I'm G make you
0:19:22.840,0:19:29.080
tell me every how that you do so so I
0:19:25.679,0:19:30.640
can remember but just go tell tell you
0:19:29.080,0:19:32.960
guys out there listen what he's going to
0:19:30.640,0:19:34.720
do is is take me to the gar hose and
0:19:32.960,0:19:36.280
hand me the remote all right John see
0:19:34.720,0:19:38.880
what you can do here course there a't a
0:19:36.280,0:19:40.480
Cy within 10 miles and then he'll take
0:19:38.880,0:19:44.559
me to the next day he's like now I'll
0:19:40.480,0:19:46.000
show you what how I do it West Texas
0:19:44.559,0:19:47.919
some of the places we hunt don't have
0:19:46.000,0:19:50.880
any gar holes so I I promise you I
0:19:47.919,0:19:52.480
wouldn't do that to you but uh that'll
0:19:50.880,0:19:54.480
be good no it' be great man that's what
0:19:52.480,0:19:56.080
I tell people too it's like when you go
0:19:54.480,0:19:58.520
a lot you kind of get in your Rhythm and
0:19:56.080,0:20:00.520
you get stuck in a rut and if man if you
0:19:58.520,0:20:02.960
can hunt with some other guys you're
0:20:00.520,0:20:05.480
you're going to learn something new from
0:20:02.960,0:20:07.280
from everybody and you know it's just
0:20:05.480,0:20:09.840
it's good man it's good fun go out and
0:20:07.280,0:20:11.960
learn from somebody and like I said put
0:20:09.840,0:20:13.600
it in your toolbox for next time yeah
0:20:11.960,0:20:15.559
and and that's I think that's great
0:20:13.600,0:20:18.120
advice too I mean if you go hunt with
0:20:15.559,0:20:20.120
with new people um you need to be going
0:20:18.120,0:20:22.520
in with a open mind and trying to learn
0:20:20.120,0:20:25.120
I mean everybody I hunt with I I learn a
0:20:22.520,0:20:26.600
little bit from them I think it was was
0:20:25.120,0:20:28.799
actually talking about this other day it
0:20:26.600,0:20:30.760
was just out in Kansas and
0:20:28.799,0:20:33.080
talk we hunted with somebody new we were
0:20:30.760,0:20:34.600
with Josh Kender of swagger bipods and
0:20:33.080,0:20:37.799
we was talking about hunting with new
0:20:34.600,0:20:40.360
people on coow stands and stuff and it
0:20:37.799,0:20:42.880
seems like over the years my style of
0:20:40.360,0:20:45.000
calling has evolved and and all the
0:20:42.880,0:20:47.480
people the dozens of people that I've
0:20:45.000,0:20:49.440
called with it seems like I've took
0:20:47.480,0:20:50.840
something from almost every one of them
0:20:49.440,0:20:53.159
so like everybody I'm kind of like
0:20:50.840,0:20:55.640
rolling it all into one uh for my
0:20:53.159,0:20:58.360
calling sequences and and and how I set
0:20:55.640,0:21:00.159
up stands how I go in the stands you
0:20:58.360,0:21:03.280
know just a whole nine yards i' is kind
0:21:00.159,0:21:04.760
of just like a a assembly of everybody
0:21:03.280,0:21:06.159
that I've hunted with over the years and
0:21:04.760,0:21:07.520
putting it all together and just trying
0:21:06.159,0:21:09.240
to learn from everybody I mean that's
0:21:07.520,0:21:11.840
all you can do try to learn from the
0:21:09.240,0:21:14.080
kows that's right it'll make you better
0:21:11.840,0:21:15.840
no doubt about it for sure you was
0:21:14.080,0:21:18.240
talking about uh you know there were
0:21:15.840,0:21:20.159
certain months that you don't call uh
0:21:18.240,0:21:24.120
how long is your all calling season and
0:21:20.159,0:21:26.279
your filming season for for predator
0:21:24.120,0:21:29.600
Pursuit well it's kind of a loaded
0:21:26.279,0:21:31.640
question I guess but I would say you
0:21:29.600,0:21:33.159
know with the show if the guys some of
0:21:31.640,0:21:36.120
these guys probably haven't ever seen it
0:21:33.159,0:21:38.240
but for the ones that have they know I
0:21:36.120,0:21:40.440
like to do more than just coyotes like
0:21:38.240,0:21:44.520
we we try to try to reach out we'll do
0:21:40.440,0:21:47.320
things like alligators Bears sharks we
0:21:44.520,0:21:50.360
go to Africa Australia just try to mix
0:21:47.320,0:21:51.880
in a whole bunch of different animals so
0:21:50.360,0:21:54.960
like we just you
0:21:51.880,0:21:56.960
know let's say Africa you know it's
0:21:54.960,0:21:59.720
really good over there in in June and
0:21:56.960,0:22:03.039
July right so right because the seasons
0:21:59.720,0:22:04.320
are kind of kind of flipflop yeah and
0:22:03.039,0:22:07.440
then the alligators you know they're
0:22:04.320,0:22:09.840
pretty good right now into October and
0:22:07.440,0:22:12.279
then the coyotes you know we we'll start
0:22:09.840,0:22:16.159
hitting them October yep and then we'll
0:22:12.279,0:22:18.840
I'll run through about February March
0:22:16.159,0:22:20.799
sometimes just depending on what we need
0:22:18.840,0:22:22.440
but yeah I mean it's and like I said we
0:22:20.799,0:22:24.360
just got back from California for the
0:22:22.440,0:22:26.760
Sharks right so it's kind of it's kind
0:22:24.360,0:22:29.200
of an all year deal but you know the the
0:22:26.760,0:22:31.240
main the main part of it I would say
0:22:29.200,0:22:34.720
would be October to March yeah for your
0:22:31.240,0:22:36.880
coyotes yeah yeah um you're talking
0:22:34.720,0:22:38.799
about the about the Sharks we talked
0:22:36.880,0:22:40.400
about a little bit earlier I think it's
0:22:38.799,0:22:42.760
very interesting I've never thought
0:22:40.400,0:22:44.720
about doing it I think it looks cool you
0:22:42.760,0:22:47.320
know I've seen your pictures and stuff
0:22:44.720,0:22:48.919
from the past and and you sent me a you
0:22:47.320,0:22:50.960
sent me a text when you got a shark in
0:22:48.919,0:22:54.039
the boat this year and I was like man
0:22:50.960,0:22:55.520
that is awesome it looks so cool what
0:22:54.039,0:22:57.799
what made you decide hey I'm going to go
0:22:55.520,0:22:59.080
I'm going to go shoot a shark I man I
0:22:57.799,0:23:01.760
had had a friend that went out there one
0:22:59.080,0:23:02.919
year and they did it and it was kind of
0:23:01.760,0:23:06.400
back at the beginning they were still
0:23:02.919,0:23:08.200
learning how to do this and uh God they
0:23:06.400,0:23:09.440
they actually ended up reeling this
0:23:08.200,0:23:11.919
shark and they didn't shoot it because
0:23:09.440,0:23:13.559
it was like 700 pounds it was Big Y and
0:23:11.919,0:23:15.480
I saw the video of it and this shark
0:23:13.559,0:23:18.000
comes up and they're fighting it and
0:23:15.480,0:23:20.600
it's literally biting the back of the
0:23:18.000,0:23:24.039
boat and just th and it was just wild
0:23:20.600,0:23:27.440
and I was like okay yeah I'm in let's do
0:23:24.039,0:23:30.039
this you know and um it's just something
0:23:27.440,0:23:33.360
different man I love fishing I love bow
0:23:30.039,0:23:35.559
fishing I love just hunting in general
0:23:33.360,0:23:38.480
and it just kind of mixed it all into
0:23:35.559,0:23:40.520
one and right man it's just a it's a
0:23:38.480,0:23:42.240
really cool trip I mean everybody it's
0:23:40.520,0:23:45.919
out in California like I said great
0:23:42.240,0:23:47.760
weather it's close to Catalina Island I
0:23:45.919,0:23:49.400
mean it's just it's just a cool trip
0:23:47.760,0:23:52.039
something different like I said get out
0:23:49.400,0:23:55.159
of the Heat and just just go have a good
0:23:52.039,0:23:56.960
time and it's like I said I mean I've
0:23:55.159,0:24:00.520
shot one really really big one and a
0:23:56.960,0:24:03.960
bunch of just you know 500 plus Pounders
0:24:00.520,0:24:07.080
and which sounds huge to me don't don't
0:24:03.960,0:24:08.400
get me wrong it's a big chart but um you
0:24:07.080,0:24:10.799
know we we actually had a great white
0:24:08.400,0:24:12.279
coming this year too which cool really
0:24:10.799,0:24:14.720
yeah we can't mess with them they're
0:24:12.279,0:24:16.559
they're very protected well so kind of
0:24:14.720,0:24:18.840
walk us through it just give us the
0:24:16.559,0:24:21.320
short run of what you're trying to do
0:24:18.840,0:24:23.440
like when you go out after a shark
0:24:21.320,0:24:26.360
what's your tactic what's what's going
0:24:23.440,0:24:29.120
on how do what's the what's the end game
0:24:26.360,0:24:32.600
you know start to finish short short
0:24:29.120,0:24:34.720
form so Matt ni Matt he's a friend of
0:24:32.600,0:24:37.320
mine he's the captain he's the he's the
0:24:34.720,0:24:40.279
guru he I kind of I kind of compare it
0:24:37.320,0:24:42.440
to setting up a coyote stand so he goes
0:24:40.279,0:24:45.039
on his maps and it's a bunch of stuff
0:24:42.440,0:24:47.600
that I don't understand but he's got
0:24:45.039,0:24:50.000
temperature charts and he's got current
0:24:47.600,0:24:52.000
charts and just all kinds of of
0:24:50.000,0:24:54.600
different things that he's looking at
0:24:52.000,0:24:56.840
and uh kind of seeing where the warmer
0:24:54.600,0:24:58.240
water is which way the wind's blowing
0:24:56.840,0:25:00.559
which way I mean it's it's really cool
0:24:58.240,0:25:02.080
it's very strategic so he's looking at
0:25:00.559,0:25:04.640
that and he's going to say okay we're
0:25:02.080,0:25:06.559
going to go here the current's going to
0:25:04.640,0:25:09.000
push us this way and we're going to lay
0:25:06.559,0:25:10.279
out a Chum slick which we're basically
0:25:09.000,0:25:13.880
literally just sitting there with a
0:25:10.279,0:25:15.600
bucket of stinky dead fish just mashing
0:25:13.880,0:25:19.399
it up and it's running into the water
0:25:15.600,0:25:22.799
and um just basically putting all that
0:25:19.399,0:25:26.679
fish oil and blood in the water right
0:25:22.799,0:25:28.679
and it pretty much just creates a a
0:25:26.679,0:25:31.120
highway to the boat so any shark that
0:25:28.679,0:25:33.600
swims through this this area is going to
0:25:31.120,0:25:36.360
hit that Chum slick and come to the boat
0:25:33.600,0:25:38.080
and you know it's it's pretty wild some
0:25:36.360,0:25:40.279
these makos they're I guess they're the
0:25:38.080,0:25:42.240
fastest shark in the ocean and when they
0:25:40.279,0:25:43.919
come to the boat they're usually pretty
0:25:42.240,0:25:46.760
fired up they're looking to kill
0:25:43.919,0:25:48.120
something so so they hit it's almost
0:25:46.760,0:25:51.279
like it's almost like something hitting
0:25:48.120,0:25:52.960
a a track a scent Trail exactly and then
0:25:51.279,0:25:55.360
following it right in which is you guys
0:25:52.960,0:25:59.520
at the boat and then you're there with
0:25:55.360,0:26:02.080
archery gear right yep that's right and
0:25:59.520,0:26:03.880
then the the fish is not hooked whenever
0:26:02.080,0:26:05.880
I shoot it with a bow but what we'll
0:26:03.880,0:26:08.480
typically do is take a piece of fish on
0:26:05.880,0:26:10.440
a string and they like I said they're so
0:26:08.480,0:26:12.799
fired up they can't help it they'll
0:26:10.440,0:26:14.320
chase that fish and I mean we we're
0:26:12.799,0:26:17.520
literally shooting
0:26:14.320,0:26:19.760
them I'd say two or three feet from us
0:26:17.520,0:26:22.200
so it sounds like it's just this gimme
0:26:19.760,0:26:24.520
but I've missed more than one to be
0:26:22.200,0:26:27.880
honest with you but you know it's hard
0:26:24.520,0:26:29.360
because the arrow is is tied to this
0:26:27.880,0:26:30.440
leader and the arrow just doesn't always
0:26:29.360,0:26:33.760
fly
0:26:30.440,0:26:36.799
perect and the boat moving the boats
0:26:33.760,0:26:38.120
moving yeah exactly you understand you
0:26:36.799,0:26:40.760
know some people are like God how could
0:26:38.120,0:26:42.760
you miss I'm like no not that easy I can
0:26:40.760,0:26:44.520
see it right now I mean know the Boat
0:26:42.760,0:26:46.480
Moving you're about half sick because
0:26:44.520,0:26:49.480
the boat's been moving for hours and
0:26:46.480,0:26:52.919
this fish is you know got these teeth
0:26:49.480,0:26:55.279
that could bite your leg off and so we
0:26:52.919,0:26:57.880
as soon as I shoot them typically they
0:26:55.279,0:27:00.840
take off and and this arrow is connected
0:26:57.880,0:27:03.919
to a big shark rod and reel and I've had
0:27:00.840,0:27:07.440
it take anywhere from 5 minutes to four
0:27:03.919,0:27:10.120
or five hours to reel in so it's uh it's
0:27:07.440,0:27:13.000
pretty fun stressful but it's fun that's
0:27:10.120,0:27:17.159
awesome that's awesome so de what you're
0:27:13.000,0:27:19.080
after is makos right yes makos yeah we
0:27:17.159,0:27:22.120
uh sometimes we'll have blue sharks come
0:27:19.080,0:27:24.559
in and twice I've had great lights show
0:27:22.120,0:27:26.200
up so pretty cool not not many people
0:27:24.559,0:27:28.399
get to see that so that that's another
0:27:26.200,0:27:31.320
thing that's that's pretty fun about it
0:27:28.399,0:27:33.559
so um like I said it's just one of those
0:27:31.320,0:27:35.279
shows that you know it's a little bit
0:27:33.559,0:27:37.000
different it's not a coyote every time
0:27:35.279,0:27:38.520
and yep I think I like I think people
0:27:37.000,0:27:41.080
like to get a little bit of a mix in
0:27:38.520,0:27:42.360
there yeah change of pace that's right
0:27:41.080,0:27:45.559
we're not calling them up with the fox
0:27:42.360,0:27:49.279
Pro but still pretty cool may maybe one
0:27:45.559,0:27:51.399
day one day that's right well let's get
0:27:49.279,0:27:53.279
back to the coyes what about nighttime
0:27:51.399,0:27:56.080
what drags you out in the dark hours to
0:27:53.279,0:27:58.519
call coyotes and by the way the fox Pro
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man I feel
0:28:07.880,0:28:12.960
like obviously they're more active at
0:28:10.679,0:28:15.480
night
0:28:12.960,0:28:16.799
um there's a lot more that goes into it
0:28:15.480,0:28:19.919
I guess you could say with the lights
0:28:16.799,0:28:22.519
and The Thermals and and things like
0:28:19.919,0:28:25.440
that but with that being said we kill a
0:28:22.519,0:28:27.559
lot more right right I don't want to get
0:28:25.440,0:28:29.279
in the day versus night thing but no you
0:28:27.559,0:28:32.399
know day daytime I
0:28:29.279,0:28:35.080
typically I kill almost not all of them
0:28:32.399,0:28:37.279
that I call in but most of them just
0:28:35.080,0:28:39.399
because of the setup right like I can
0:28:37.279,0:28:41.360
usually get them pretty close to where I
0:28:39.399,0:28:43.279
want them and get them killed but at
0:28:41.360,0:28:47.200
night we're up in these high racks here
0:28:43.279,0:28:50.679
in Texas and we can see 360 degrees and
0:28:47.200,0:28:52.840
see for a long ways and you'd be shocked
0:28:50.679,0:28:55.519
how many of these coyotes come in and
0:28:52.840,0:28:58.440
immediately start working downwind right
0:28:55.519,0:29:02.360
and they'll smell us at three 400 yards
0:28:58.440,0:29:05.880
away um so our I would say our kill
0:29:02.360,0:29:07.640
percentage is nowhere near as high at
0:29:05.880,0:29:09.880
night as it is in the daytime just
0:29:07.640,0:29:12.159
because of the circling which I mean I'm
0:29:09.880,0:29:14.720
sure you're actually seeing more coyes
0:29:12.159,0:29:16.000
too well and who knows how many are
0:29:14.720,0:29:17.760
really doing that in the daytime that
0:29:16.000,0:29:20.080
you didn't see right they can't hi they
0:29:17.760,0:29:22.320
can't hide from the thermal they can't
0:29:20.080,0:29:24.080
hide from the thermal or the lights and
0:29:22.320,0:29:26.880
and that's something you know we I still
0:29:24.080,0:29:28.360
run both man we depending on the terrain
0:29:26.880,0:29:30.640
I mean we
0:29:28.360,0:29:33.000
we see just about as many with the light
0:29:30.640,0:29:34.919
as we do the thermal sometimes right
0:29:33.000,0:29:37.480
those eyeballs just I know you're not
0:29:34.919,0:29:38.679
just a a huge nigh Hunter but it
0:29:37.480,0:29:40.640
something about it gets you going
0:29:38.679,0:29:42.919
whenever you see that light hit that
0:29:40.640,0:29:45.799
eyeball out there and it's just running
0:29:42.919,0:29:48.000
in and get you going you know and I'm
0:29:45.799,0:29:50.960
not and I'm not but I still you know I
0:29:48.000,0:29:52.960
have an appreciation for it uh and you
0:29:50.960,0:29:55.440
know I know that there's challenges when
0:29:52.960,0:29:57.679
it comes to night hunting and and you
0:29:55.440,0:29:59.559
know it's there's not a lot of of night
0:29:57.679,0:30:01.760
hunting that goes on where I'm at we do
0:29:59.559,0:30:03.159
have a night season now that's uh
0:30:01.760,0:30:04.679
actually taken up about half the year
0:30:03.159,0:30:06.840
and I just really haven't got geared
0:30:04.679,0:30:09.480
into it yet but I do I respect all the
0:30:06.840,0:30:11.799
hunters that do it at night I I respect
0:30:09.480,0:30:14.320
uh just the whole night game in general
0:30:11.799,0:30:17.440
just like I I think that n Hunters
0:30:14.320,0:30:18.720
respect U day calling for coyotes as
0:30:17.440,0:30:22.120
well because there's just so many
0:30:18.720,0:30:25.159
differences in it um and I think it's a
0:30:22.120,0:30:28.519
lead us right into the next question and
0:30:25.159,0:30:30.200
besides for the obvious uh the light set
0:30:28.519,0:30:32.679
up and the thermal setup and the high
0:30:30.200,0:30:35.559
rck maybe like you guys like to do what
0:30:32.679,0:30:39.279
what is the main difference say stand
0:30:35.559,0:30:41.640
setup wise for you guys day versus night
0:30:39.279,0:30:43.159
if if
0:30:41.640,0:30:45.799
any
0:30:43.159,0:30:47.919
honestly it depends on what part of the
0:30:45.799,0:30:50.880
the world I'm in I guess but right like
0:30:47.919,0:30:52.399
out out in West Texas you know you got
0:30:50.880,0:30:55.159
to be able to see a little bit more on
0:30:52.399,0:30:57.639
your downwind side like I said a lot of
0:30:55.159,0:30:59.159
these CS will Circle you and it's seems
0:30:57.639,0:31:00.799
like if they're going to circle you
0:30:59.159,0:31:03.519
they're going to do it at about on
0:31:00.799,0:31:07.799
average 150 yards which is still pretty
0:31:03.519,0:31:10.440
easy to get them shot yeah um
0:31:07.799,0:31:14.120
but honestly you can kind of set up just
0:31:10.440,0:31:18.000
about anywhere versus daytime you know
0:31:14.120,0:31:20.200
I'm very picky on my daytime setups um I
0:31:18.000,0:31:22.480
like to kind of know where I feel like
0:31:20.200,0:31:24.000
they're going to come from and you know
0:31:22.480,0:31:26.039
I put a lot of effort into that you know
0:31:24.000,0:31:28.559
knowing which Bush I'm going to sit in
0:31:26.039,0:31:30.559
because there may a hill in the way over
0:31:28.559,0:31:31.639
here or some trees in the way here you
0:31:30.559,0:31:35.519
know a lot of that has to do with the
0:31:31.639,0:31:38.120
camera as well right yep but with that
0:31:35.519,0:31:40.200
being said I think that's made me better
0:31:38.120,0:31:42.279
at picking setups as well you start
0:31:40.200,0:31:45.440
looking for things that you know I've
0:31:42.279,0:31:48.039
had so many stands get busted because I
0:31:45.440,0:31:50.320
didn't pay attention to some of those
0:31:48.039,0:31:51.760
small things you know the like I said
0:31:50.320,0:31:54.600
the trees in the way or something I
0:31:51.760,0:31:55.799
couldn't get them whereas now well I
0:31:54.600,0:31:59.159
learned from that one so I'm not going
0:31:55.799,0:32:01.440
to do that again and right um I'll
0:31:59.159,0:32:03.000
probably pass up a lot of pretty good
0:32:01.440,0:32:04.600
stands for that
0:32:03.000,0:32:06.919
reason
0:32:04.600,0:32:10.760
but you know I mean running those
0:32:06.919,0:32:14.159
cameras it does make it oh yeah I mean
0:32:10.760,0:32:16.799
there stands I used to run every year
0:32:14.159,0:32:19.240
maybe a couple times a year uh back when
0:32:16.799,0:32:21.159
I was just cow hunting that I don't make
0:32:19.240,0:32:22.880
anymore it's not because they ain't even
0:32:21.159,0:32:24.840
good there just no way to get any kind
0:32:22.880,0:32:27.120
of real footage so they kind of just
0:32:24.840,0:32:29.039
stands don't I mean I know I could go
0:32:27.120,0:32:32.200
make them this evening called coyes and
0:32:29.039,0:32:34.279
I might Ain made them in 15 years yeah
0:32:32.200,0:32:36.080
no and that's exactly right and we're at
0:32:34.279,0:32:37.440
night time you know they the kyos tend
0:32:36.080,0:32:40.120
to
0:32:37.440,0:32:41.559
typically they can come in from anywhere
0:32:40.120,0:32:43.519
because you know they're kind of out and
0:32:41.559,0:32:45.360
about right they're already they've kind
0:32:43.519,0:32:47.600
of come out of those deep you know
0:32:45.360,0:32:49.120
canyons and they kind of spread out
0:32:47.600,0:32:51.080
they're just you you can't really
0:32:49.120,0:32:53.960
pinpoint them at night like you can
0:32:51.080,0:32:56.720
they're up on her feed out living life
0:32:53.960,0:32:58.559
man and and a lot of times man you can't
0:32:56.720,0:33:01.600
help it but you start calling and they
0:32:58.559,0:33:04.679
show up downwind yeah and it's just when
0:33:01.600,0:33:06.760
that happens yeah it's pretty much it's
0:33:04.679,0:33:08.799
pretty much over at that point but we
0:33:06.760,0:33:11.320
still we'll we'll get a few dumb ones
0:33:08.799,0:33:16.000
every year that will man they just come
0:33:11.320,0:33:18.840
right in downwind like I mean right lost
0:33:16.000,0:33:21.000
you know what you kamazi cows yeah
0:33:18.840,0:33:24.159
exactly but uh for the most part you
0:33:21.000,0:33:28.960
know they're if I can get them you know
0:33:24.159,0:33:30.559
from 180 degrees upwind I can usually
0:33:28.960,0:33:32.799
work them pretty good to keep them from
0:33:30.559,0:33:34.760
going now some of them they're just
0:33:32.799,0:33:36.120
hellbent they're going downwind doesn't
0:33:34.760,0:33:37.440
matter right I don't know if they've
0:33:36.120,0:33:40.559
been called before I don't know if
0:33:37.440,0:33:42.440
they're just smart and I think it's part
0:33:40.559,0:33:44.039
of their keep fine yeah and I think it's
0:33:42.440,0:33:45.799
just part of their Natural Instincts I
0:33:44.039,0:33:49.039
mean I've seen you know young of the
0:33:45.799,0:33:50.519
Year CS yearand that that I know have
0:33:49.039,0:33:54.120
never been called
0:33:50.519,0:33:55.519
before come out and and start circling
0:33:54.120,0:33:56.679
you might not know that they're young of
0:33:55.519,0:33:58.240
the year but after you get them killed
0:33:56.679,0:34:00.519
and walk up there to them they got the
0:33:58.240,0:34:02.360
you know little needle teeth you're like
0:34:00.519,0:34:05.799
d on how why in that world is that
0:34:02.360,0:34:08.720
sucker circling for I how they know that
0:34:05.799,0:34:10.000
we're danger I don't know but boy if you
0:34:08.720,0:34:12.399
guys are new to it and you haven't ever
0:34:10.000,0:34:14.119
seen it before sometimes when they hit
0:34:12.399,0:34:17.040
your wind it's like you literally shot
0:34:14.119,0:34:19.240
at them oh they and they are yeah gone
0:34:17.040,0:34:21.399
and they are not coming back and that's
0:34:19.240,0:34:22.560
why we you hear us preach it so much you
0:34:21.399,0:34:25.560
know you got to watch your wind you got
0:34:22.560,0:34:27.560
to watch your wind and I mean it's it's
0:34:25.560,0:34:30.079
one of the most important parts oh man
0:34:27.560,0:34:32.599
you can a ky can hear you and you get
0:34:30.079,0:34:35.079
away with it a ky can see you and you
0:34:32.599,0:34:36.599
get away with it a Coy can hear you and
0:34:35.079,0:34:39.200
see you and you still get away with it
0:34:36.599,0:34:40.720
but if he smells you just like you said
0:34:39.200,0:34:42.599
he's usually turning and going the
0:34:40.720,0:34:44.720
opposite direction as hard as he can and
0:34:42.599,0:34:47.399
he might look back as he's blazing a
0:34:44.720,0:34:50.079
trail but that he ain't stopping you you
0:34:47.399,0:34:52.159
know you know one smells you cut you wi
0:34:50.079,0:34:54.639
for sure there's just you've seen it
0:34:52.159,0:34:57.359
once you know exactly what
0:34:54.639,0:35:02.200
happened let me uh let stay on this
0:34:57.359,0:35:05.640
night versus Day stuff uh does your
0:35:02.200,0:35:08.280
calling style differ from daytime stands
0:35:05.640,0:35:11.520
versus nighttime stands like maybe say
0:35:08.280,0:35:12.960
length of stand or sounds that you run
0:35:11.520,0:35:16.760
uh or anything like
0:35:12.960,0:35:19.800
that not much it's it's going to be real
0:35:16.760,0:35:20.960
similar um the only thing I do different
0:35:19.800,0:35:23.760
at
0:35:20.960,0:35:25.040
night is if I do have a ky working in
0:35:23.760,0:35:27.720
and you know we're trying to get that
0:35:25.040,0:35:30.280
footage and my goal is to shoot them
0:35:27.720,0:35:32.240
with a Shotgun by the truck and that's
0:35:30.280,0:35:34.079
if you've seen the show you see we're
0:35:32.240,0:35:36.480
using some really really bright lights
0:35:34.079,0:35:38.880
and that's just you know that's for the
0:35:36.480,0:35:41.240
camera and that that's just a big
0:35:38.880,0:35:43.760
discussion white light versus red light
0:35:41.240,0:35:45.640
you know we we've been doing this for
0:35:43.760,0:35:48.200
long long time and you're always going
0:35:45.640,0:35:50.240
to have some that don't cooperate with
0:35:48.200,0:35:52.920
the light and you have some that don't
0:35:50.240,0:35:55.480
care right but with that being said once
0:35:52.920,0:35:57.400
I get them working in at night I'll turn
0:35:55.480,0:36:00.000
that call to almost
0:35:57.400,0:36:04.800
zero and go to just basically lip
0:36:00.000,0:36:06.640
squeaks and I can work them like I mean
0:36:04.800,0:36:09.480
they'll stop PE people have a hard time
0:36:06.640,0:36:12.520
believing it but I can they'll stop out
0:36:09.480,0:36:14.560
there at 250 yards and they're just
0:36:12.520,0:36:18.000
listening and all I have to do is just
0:36:14.560,0:36:20.680
barely just they'll turn their head and
0:36:18.000,0:36:22.800
here they come yep so you know a lot of
0:36:20.680,0:36:26.280
guys maybe you're calling a little too
0:36:22.800,0:36:27.839
loud sometimes or you know but it's they
0:36:26.280,0:36:30.680
can hear from a long ways and they can
0:36:27.839,0:36:33.000
pinpoint it from from a long ways
0:36:30.680,0:36:35.920
so that's about my only difference and
0:36:33.000,0:36:37.599
y'all definitely get a I think it's wild
0:36:35.920,0:36:40.760
that's what I like seeing on the show is
0:36:37.599,0:36:43.400
this big bright white light and these
0:36:40.760,0:36:46.359
coyotes come within shot like you just
0:36:43.400,0:36:48.760
said shotgun range of the rig and that
0:36:46.359,0:36:49.880
light is so bright that they can't even
0:36:48.760,0:36:51.400
see what they're looking at they're
0:36:49.880,0:36:53.280
sitting there like blink in their eyes
0:36:51.400,0:36:54.720
like they just woke up just like the sun
0:36:53.280,0:36:56.040
is shining right in their eyes and then
0:36:54.720,0:36:57.400
all a sudden they get hit with a full
0:36:56.040,0:36:59.520
load of
0:36:57.400,0:37:00.680
buck shot or whatever you got BBS
0:36:59.520,0:37:02.760
whatever are
0:37:00.680,0:37:04.200
shoot it's good and bad you know that
0:37:02.760,0:37:05.720
light can be a really good Advantage
0:37:04.200,0:37:07.839
because they can't see you they can't
0:37:05.720,0:37:09.800
see the truck they can't see you you can
0:37:07.839,0:37:11.680
move around they you
0:37:09.800,0:37:14.040
know they just want to know what's
0:37:11.680,0:37:15.520
behind that light right and it's you
0:37:14.040,0:37:18.480
know we use that old adage you know the
0:37:15.520,0:37:20.040
our our ligh is is our camouflage right
0:37:18.480,0:37:22.240
lot of lot of truth to it I mean as soon
0:37:20.040,0:37:24.720
as you get in their eyes you know and
0:37:22.240,0:37:27.680
when we started you know KY hunting back
0:37:24.720,0:37:29.920
in the day I mean would run a light for
0:37:27.680,0:37:31.319
like five seconds and turn it off
0:37:29.920,0:37:33.079
because you scared it turn the light on
0:37:31.319,0:37:35.680
for five yeah I mean we didn't know we
0:37:33.079,0:37:38.160
didn't know better we'd see eyes we turn
0:37:35.680,0:37:39.960
it off you know and yeah turn it back on
0:37:38.160,0:37:42.400
and like oh where'd he go you know and
0:37:39.960,0:37:44.359
oh he's on top of us yeah he either ran
0:37:42.400,0:37:45.680
you over he left because now he's
0:37:44.359,0:37:48.319
looking right where that light was
0:37:45.680,0:37:50.440
coming from and he sees us a bunch of
0:37:48.319,0:37:53.359
dummies sitting there with our guns and
0:37:50.440,0:37:54.800
he's gone yeah and we don't even know it
0:37:53.359,0:37:57.079
so you know through the years like I
0:37:54.800,0:37:58.880
said we there just was wasn't this
0:37:57.079,0:38:02.160
information out there and it was there
0:37:58.880,0:38:04.000
were no podcast or or Facebooks or you
0:38:02.160,0:38:06.240
know any of these groups to get on and
0:38:04.000,0:38:09.440
and talk with other guys and it was just
0:38:06.240,0:38:12.240
kind of a trial by fire and what do you
0:38:09.440,0:38:14.119
think if we tried this right what you
0:38:12.240,0:38:17.800
well well that worked I can't you know
0:38:14.119,0:38:19.359
and it just progressed and um even even
0:38:17.800,0:38:21.839
with the white light
0:38:19.359,0:38:23.839
like I was filming with red lights for a
0:38:21.839,0:38:25.480
long time and just didn't like the
0:38:23.839,0:38:27.520
footage you know it just didn't look
0:38:25.480,0:38:29.280
good and yeah just
0:38:27.520,0:38:32.240
and we went out to West Texas one time
0:38:29.280,0:38:33.920
and this guy named ski that I hunt with
0:38:32.240,0:38:36.880
out there forever he pulls out this big
0:38:33.920,0:38:40.160
old cute beam he's swinging I'm talking
0:38:36.880,0:38:42.680
as a million candle power and I was like
0:38:40.160,0:38:46.119
what is he doing like thought we was
0:38:42.680,0:38:48.680
gonna try to kill yeah there is no way
0:38:46.119,0:38:50.160
this is gonna work and that night you
0:38:48.680,0:38:53.440
know we killed a couple and then the
0:38:50.160,0:38:56.880
next night we killed we killed 11
0:38:53.440,0:38:59.319
coyotes and seven Fox I was like okay
0:38:56.880,0:39:01.319
you know I'm a Believer now right ever
0:38:59.319,0:39:03.960
since then I've I've never even used a
0:39:01.319,0:39:08.160
red light like I said I've been to
0:39:03.960,0:39:10.119
Mexico Australia Africa so that's how
0:39:08.160,0:39:12.400
big of a Believer I am and it's it's not
0:39:10.119,0:39:14.520
so much the color as it is the intensity
0:39:12.400,0:39:16.880
in my eyes so well you know and I have
0:39:14.520,0:39:19.160
seen people say that like yeah try you
0:39:16.880,0:39:21.720
run at White Light where I'm from see
0:39:19.160,0:39:23.680
what happens now me ask you this is it
0:39:21.720,0:39:27.079
correct I'm pretty sure I have seen you
0:39:23.680,0:39:30.640
run white lights in the North noreast as
0:39:27.079,0:39:32.800
well haven't you so Mike Burgess Jeremy
0:39:30.640,0:39:36.000
Brown up there on the Eastern Shore yep
0:39:32.800,0:39:39.440
Fox Pro Fox Pro staffers great on the
0:39:36.000,0:39:41.960
staff these dudes know their stuff and
0:39:39.440,0:39:45.400
that land up there is it's loaded with
0:39:41.960,0:39:46.640
red fox and you know even when we first
0:39:45.400,0:39:48.480
started talking about it I don't even
0:39:46.640,0:39:50.800
know how long ago it was probably y'all
0:39:48.480,0:39:52.200
P several years together yeah it's been
0:39:50.800,0:39:54.599
seven or eight years ago the first time
0:39:52.200,0:39:56.839
I went up there I told him I was like
0:39:54.599,0:39:58.319
I'm bringing a white light and I don't
0:39:56.839,0:40:00.280
know about that you know I don't think
0:39:58.319,0:40:03.160
that's going to work and it's like well
0:40:00.280,0:40:05.520
we'll give it a try and after about the
0:40:03.160,0:40:08.839
fifth one ran us over they were like
0:40:05.520,0:40:11.119
okay right they were Believers yeah it
0:40:08.839,0:40:13.000
works like I said you're gonna scare a
0:40:11.119,0:40:15.520
couple but I've scared quite a few with
0:40:13.000,0:40:17.760
the red light too so yeah take take the
0:40:15.520,0:40:21.760
good with the bad and I tell people I
0:40:17.760,0:40:23.520
would rather shoot a coyote at 150 yards
0:40:21.760,0:40:26.520
with a white light than 100 yards with a
0:40:23.520,0:40:29.319
red light yeah yeah lots of advantages
0:40:26.520,0:40:32.040
know you know there's as far as depth
0:40:29.319,0:40:34.160
perception and ID in animals and there's
0:40:32.040,0:40:35.319
just a lot more benefits to it but you
0:40:34.160,0:40:37.920
know like you said a lot of guys will
0:40:35.319,0:40:39.480
say well you ain't gonna get away with
0:40:37.920,0:40:42.160
that in Michigan or you're not gonna get
0:40:39.480,0:40:44.079
away with that but right prob they
0:40:42.160,0:40:45.839
probably never tried so right give it
0:40:44.079,0:40:46.960
give it a shot and see how it works and
0:40:45.839,0:40:48.960
you're just straight up telling
0:40:46.960,0:40:50.960
everybody right off the bat yeah you
0:40:48.960,0:40:52.680
probably you might spook some but you'll
0:40:50.960,0:40:55.160
kill some as well you'll call some as
0:40:52.680,0:40:57.000
well absolutely yeah absolutely yeah and
0:40:55.160,0:40:58.480
I think the same can be said for red or
0:40:57.000,0:41:02.200
green whatever kind of light you want to
0:40:58.480,0:41:03.480
run so that's that's good stuff and and
0:41:02.200,0:41:05.560
you know one of the reasons why I'm
0:41:03.480,0:41:07.000
asking you so much this stuff day versus
0:41:05.560,0:41:08.880
night and all that because you're one of
0:41:07.000,0:41:10.680
the hunters that do that does both you
0:41:08.880,0:41:11.960
know you got a lot of guys that's just
0:41:10.680,0:41:15.400
pretty much
0:41:11.960,0:41:16.920
100% uh day collar or they wouldn't even
0:41:15.400,0:41:18.720
think about going out during the day if
0:41:16.920,0:41:20.359
they can go at night you know night time
0:41:18.720,0:41:22.720
is the right time you know what I mean
0:41:20.359,0:41:26.400
so I really like talking with guys like
0:41:22.720,0:41:28.720
Jeff that that is from both worlds and
0:41:26.400,0:41:31.880
does both every single year and quite a
0:41:28.720,0:41:33.640
bit cuz I mean learn from you and and
0:41:31.880,0:41:36.119
you all have heard me say this numerous
0:41:33.640,0:41:37.640
times on this podcast anybody running a
0:41:36.119,0:41:39.359
fox Pro caller anybody's going out there
0:41:37.640,0:41:42.000
and calling coyotes we want you to be
0:41:39.359,0:41:43.920
successful so um I'm learning stuff from
0:41:42.000,0:41:45.720
Jeff hopefully you guys are too I got
0:41:43.920,0:41:46.760
another question for you for daytime
0:41:45.720,0:41:49.359
versus
0:41:46.760,0:41:53.480
nighttime what do you think gives
0:41:49.359,0:41:55.920
Hunters trouble going from daytime to
0:41:53.480,0:41:57.760
nighttime calling or vice versa you know
0:41:55.920,0:42:00.359
like say somebody that's just just
0:41:57.760,0:42:02.880
daytime called their entire life and
0:42:00.359,0:42:04.760
they want to try nighttime stuff you see
0:42:02.880,0:42:06.960
people struggle and they make it
0:42:04.760,0:42:08.760
transition what what kind what do you
0:42:06.960,0:42:10.599
think gives people trouble when they
0:42:08.760,0:42:12.839
transition from one to the other from
0:42:10.599,0:42:14.839
daytime to night time and vice versa
0:42:12.839,0:42:16.400
from Nighttime and they say they want to
0:42:14.839,0:42:18.800
try to make some Daytime
0:42:16.400,0:42:20.839
stance um I think some of the night
0:42:18.800,0:42:23.359
stuff can be a little bit more
0:42:20.839,0:42:26.480
complicated um trying to Fumble with a
0:42:23.359,0:42:29.040
light and shoot and you know identify
0:42:26.480,0:42:31.720
animals and uh probably a little bit
0:42:29.040,0:42:33.119
more involved in it um if you can get
0:42:31.720,0:42:37.280
somebody to go with you and run the
0:42:33.119,0:42:39.079
light for you that really helps a lot um
0:42:37.280,0:42:41.559
and just learning like I said I mean
0:42:39.079,0:42:43.680
some guys are not comfortable running
0:42:41.559,0:42:44.960
those lights full you know all the time
0:42:43.680,0:42:47.680
they think that they're going to scare
0:42:44.960,0:42:50.119
something off or or whatever but you
0:42:47.680,0:42:51.760
know just getting it in your head that
0:42:50.119,0:42:53.559
if I don't have this light on I'm I'm
0:42:51.760,0:42:55.760
not ever going to see them right you
0:42:53.559,0:42:57.720
know what I mean so getting once you get
0:42:55.760,0:42:59.720
past that I think that's a big hurdle
0:42:57.720,0:43:01.400
and you're just kind of like okay I've
0:42:59.720,0:43:03.160
got to have this light on and when I do
0:43:01.400,0:43:04.960
see them I have to keep it on them
0:43:03.160,0:43:08.440
because as soon as I take it off of them
0:43:04.960,0:43:11.240
they can see me now so it's just there's
0:43:08.440,0:43:13.880
a few little mental hurdles I think that
0:43:11.240,0:43:15.599
that guys are just like man this is way
0:43:13.880,0:43:17.640
harder than I thought it was going to be
0:43:15.599,0:43:18.839
right right but once you go out and you
0:43:17.640,0:43:20.400
practice it and you get a little better
0:43:18.839,0:43:23.079
at it's like anything the more you go
0:43:20.400,0:43:25.079
the more comfortable um walking in the
0:43:23.079,0:43:27.680
dark and you know
0:43:25.079,0:43:29.839
just just everything working the lights
0:43:27.680,0:43:32.760
and and learning how to judge distances
0:43:29.839,0:43:36.160
and staying awake you know staying awake
0:43:32.760,0:43:39.000
yeah that's I told you I I I really want
0:43:36.160,0:43:41.480
you to come this year John I I wanna I
0:43:39.000,0:43:43.800
want to take you out for some of our 22h
0:43:41.480,0:43:46.680
hour hunts I've been I've been
0:43:43.800,0:43:49.240
training have you yes i' I've been doing
0:43:46.680,0:43:51.520
some bow fishing at night so I've been
0:43:49.240,0:43:53.720
staying up way past my bedtime to shoot
0:43:51.520,0:43:56.200
fish and record people other people
0:43:53.720,0:43:57.280
shooting fish I tell you it's pretty
0:43:56.200,0:43:58.760
good when you're the one shooting the
0:43:57.280,0:44:01.200
fish I mean I think I can stay up all
0:43:58.760,0:44:03.640
night but this last trip I actually ran
0:44:01.200,0:44:06.520
the cameras so I filmed other people
0:44:03.640,0:44:07.839
shooting it was a little it that's a
0:44:06.520,0:44:11.680
little different trying to stay awake
0:44:07.839,0:44:13.680
doing that my camera guy he he sits in
0:44:11.680,0:44:15.880
the back and it's usually you know
0:44:13.680,0:44:18.640
whatever 10 minutes between stands and I
0:44:15.880,0:44:20.480
guarantee you he takes 30 10 minute naps
0:44:18.640,0:44:23.119
every night like he's just as soon as he
0:44:20.480,0:44:25.640
gets in the truck he's asleep we stop
0:44:23.119,0:44:27.160
he's up again and I mean he's a that's
0:44:25.640,0:44:29.920
like I said before it takes a lot of
0:44:27.160,0:44:32.680
people to to be successful and and do a
0:44:29.920,0:44:34.800
good job and yeah those camera guys like
0:44:32.680,0:44:37.480
like you filming those fish they're just
0:44:34.800,0:44:40.599
as involved and you know without them it
0:44:37.480,0:44:42.280
would never happen so yep you know it's
0:44:40.599,0:44:44.839
it's a tough tough deal it's more than
0:44:42.280,0:44:47.440
just killing yeah that uh those camera
0:44:44.839,0:44:49.559
guys can make a make the best Predator
0:44:47.440,0:44:51.720
hunter in the world look pretty bad so
0:44:49.559,0:44:53.520
it takes you know it takes a good it
0:44:51.720,0:44:55.960
takes a good camera person to make that
0:44:53.520,0:44:57.760
stuff look great that's for sure what
0:44:55.960,0:44:59.559
what about going what about a nighttime
0:44:57.760,0:45:02.160
guy going to the daytime stuff or you
0:44:59.559,0:45:03.760
think the big big deal is with that that
0:45:02.160,0:45:05.760
could get people in trouble you think
0:45:03.760,0:45:07.960
just the mindset of you might not be
0:45:05.760,0:45:11.000
seeing as many coyotes or what do you
0:45:07.960,0:45:12.480
think I think so that part of that is
0:45:11.000,0:45:13.960
like I said they're typically not as
0:45:12.480,0:45:16.720
active and they're
0:45:13.960,0:45:18.359
not the stand selection is probably
0:45:16.720,0:45:19.680
going to play a pretty big role in it
0:45:18.359,0:45:21.800
you know those guys are probably getting
0:45:19.680,0:45:24.240
used to just kind of walking out there
0:45:21.800,0:45:27.520
and setting up just kind of in Big Wide
0:45:24.240,0:45:29.359
Open Fields and very will cover and you
0:45:27.520,0:45:31.640
know as well as I do in the daytime you
0:45:29.359,0:45:34.760
better you better try to hide a little
0:45:31.640,0:45:36.520
bit Yeah Yeah least bust you know it's
0:45:34.760,0:45:39.079
different yeah and with us it's
0:45:36.520,0:45:41.720
different because it's us and the camera
0:45:39.079,0:45:43.240
guy and tripod you know it's really hard
0:45:41.720,0:45:46.480
to hide all of us you know we look like
0:45:43.240,0:45:49.839
a bunch of goons out there but um we try
0:45:46.480,0:45:53.000
to hide as good as we can good backdrops
0:45:49.839,0:45:54.680
shadows and and running a decoy that
0:45:53.000,0:45:57.680
doesn't get talked about enough I don't
0:45:54.680,0:46:00.800
think no you're right yep that Decoy has
0:45:57.680,0:46:03.359
saved me more times than I can ever
0:46:00.800,0:46:06.160
remember and it's just even when I got
0:46:03.359,0:46:08.200
started I I I specifically remember
0:46:06.160,0:46:09.800
sitting there calling one morning and I
0:46:08.200,0:46:11.680
turned and I look and this KY was just
0:46:09.800,0:46:14.559
standing there staring at me and I mean
0:46:11.680,0:46:16.440
I'm my guns pointed the other way and
0:46:14.559,0:46:17.720
and he just turned and ran you know
0:46:16.440,0:46:19.640
there was nothing I could do about it
0:46:17.720,0:46:21.240
and I was just like golly man like had
0:46:19.640,0:46:22.480
you pegged he needed something to look
0:46:21.240,0:46:24.880
at you know what I mean he needed
0:46:22.480,0:46:26.920
something to see and once we did that
0:46:24.880,0:46:30.319
and you know some of this Central Texas
0:46:26.920,0:46:32.359
stuff is big fields surrounded by Woods
0:46:30.319,0:46:34.040
um and a lot of kyot would come up to
0:46:32.359,0:46:36.359
the edge and they would just stand there
0:46:34.040,0:46:38.640
and look because they didn't feel super
0:46:36.359,0:46:40.880
comfortable coming out in the wide open
0:46:38.640,0:46:43.280
right but once we started running a
0:46:40.880,0:46:45.839
decoy man they'd run up there
0:46:43.280,0:46:48.160
stop and see that Decoy and they would
0:46:45.839,0:46:50.160
forget about everything else come on in
0:46:48.160,0:46:53.000
yeah it's you better have a shotgun guy
0:46:50.160,0:46:55.359
ready because he's coming on you know
0:46:53.000,0:46:56.960
he's coming hard so right right that's a
0:46:55.359,0:47:00.000
big game changes that a lot of guys I
0:46:56.960,0:47:02.680
don't think understand the value of yeah
0:47:00.000,0:47:06.079
we need to do a podcast sometime just on
0:47:02.680,0:47:08.640
decoys um you know the advantages what
0:47:06.079,0:47:10.319
can get you in trouble you know what the
0:47:08.640,0:47:11.800
what the pros are how you need to set
0:47:10.319,0:47:14.559
them up all that type of stuff we need
0:47:11.800,0:47:16.359
to definitely need to do that sometime
0:47:14.559,0:47:20.440
um I got one more question for you for
0:47:16.359,0:47:21.599
the day versus night and uh maybe two
0:47:20.440,0:47:23.720
more
0:47:21.599,0:47:26.040
questions see if you can't answer these
0:47:23.720,0:47:27.319
quick let's see about this one here what
0:47:26.040,0:47:30.040
and I think you've already pretty much
0:47:27.319,0:47:32.119
answered this one but do you see the Cs
0:47:30.040,0:47:33.800
do they respond to the call different
0:47:32.119,0:47:34.960
day versus night like how they maybe
0:47:33.800,0:47:36.440
approach the call I know you said
0:47:34.960,0:47:38.440
something before about the nighttime
0:47:36.440,0:47:42.079
stuff seems like you you notice that
0:47:38.440,0:47:43.960
they Circle sooner or see them circling
0:47:42.079,0:47:47.240
far it seems like it like I said it
0:47:43.960,0:47:50.480
seems like they do um the daytime I have
0:47:47.240,0:47:53.079
a lot better luck with them really just
0:47:50.480,0:47:55.400
committing it's almost we talk about it
0:47:53.079,0:47:57.680
like man he we got him out of his bed
0:47:55.400,0:47:59.359
like he wasn't even thinking like he he
0:47:57.680,0:48:02.520
was sleeping I don't know what he was
0:47:59.359,0:48:04.960
doing but he heard something and he
0:48:02.520,0:48:06.720
forgot to use some of his senses right
0:48:04.960,0:48:08.720
right here you know he just got dumb and
0:48:06.720,0:48:10.359
here he came and whereas at night
0:48:08.720,0:48:12.240
they're already kind of on the prow
0:48:10.359,0:48:13.880
they're hunting yeah they're like wait a
0:48:12.240,0:48:16.119
minute you know I was over there just a
0:48:13.880,0:48:18.559
minute ago and you know they're like let
0:48:16.119,0:48:20.800
me go check this out a little bit and
0:48:18.559,0:48:24.160
they just tend to act a little bit more
0:48:20.800,0:48:25.359
wary most of the time yep yep and that's
0:48:24.160,0:48:29.119
that's another thing I was saying with
0:48:25.359,0:48:31.599
my percentage being higher for daytime
0:48:29.119,0:48:33.200
day so all right well I've got I've got
0:48:31.599,0:48:35.079
a good one here for you we're starting
0:48:33.200,0:48:36.599
to get into the section of the podcast
0:48:35.079,0:48:39.280
where I'm hitting you some with some
0:48:36.599,0:48:43.160
quick hit questions here and uh putting
0:48:39.280,0:48:45.240
you on a spot and this is 100% day
0:48:43.160,0:48:49.119
versus night you know kind of get that
0:48:45.240,0:48:50.240
argument going um if your life depended
0:48:49.119,0:48:54.200
on it
0:48:50.240,0:48:55.960
Jeff I know is all right your life
0:48:54.200,0:48:59.200
depended on it I said you got got to go
0:48:55.960,0:49:02.040
out next Thursday in a 24-hour span
0:48:59.200,0:49:04.319
whenever it is you have to kill a cow to
0:49:02.040,0:49:06.160
save your life you know it's you know
0:49:04.319,0:49:08.960
you get this antidote that you you know
0:49:06.160,0:49:10.760
whatever just save your life you going
0:49:08.960,0:49:13.119
at night time or you going during the
0:49:10.760,0:49:15.440
day you got to pick one night time or
0:49:13.119,0:49:17.599
daytime which one are you doing that's
0:49:15.440,0:49:20.920
pretty easy I'm GNA do it at night
0:49:17.599,0:49:23.240
they're just more of them and so what
0:49:20.920,0:49:27.520
you're saying is it's easier to kill a
0:49:23.240,0:49:27.520
cow at night than it is during the day
0:49:28.359,0:49:33.359
probably yes all right then I would
0:49:31.559,0:49:34.640
agree with that yeah if it's you know
0:49:33.359,0:49:37.799
people think about it different we're
0:49:34.640,0:49:39.960
like well to save my life yeah no that's
0:49:37.799,0:49:42.079
right and I thought you were gonna ask
0:49:39.960,0:49:45.240
me I figured you were gonna say well if
0:49:42.079,0:49:48.240
you could only do daytime or nighttime
0:49:45.240,0:49:50.079
forever I know that's a hard that's a
0:49:48.240,0:49:52.440
hard Pi it's kind of like we on this
0:49:50.079,0:49:54.839
last podcast had Stacy moris on and we
0:49:52.440,0:49:56.319
got talk got to kind of throwing
0:49:54.839,0:49:58.040
calibers out there it's kind of like you
0:49:56.319,0:49:59.960
know hey if your life depended on it you
0:49:58.040,0:50:02.160
had to go tomorrow and kill a coyot and
0:49:59.960,0:50:04.200
we give you one bullet you got one
0:50:02.160,0:50:06.040
bullet to kill a coyot you taking a 17
0:50:04.200,0:50:08.119
HMR or you taking a
0:50:06.040,0:50:09.359
243 you know what I mean you know
0:50:08.119,0:50:10.720
because you get these guys that throw
0:50:09.359,0:50:13.920
these weird calibers out there and
0:50:10.720,0:50:16.119
you're like why are you suggesting
0:50:13.920,0:50:19.359
that that's right so that's kind of
0:50:16.119,0:50:22.119
where that question come from
0:50:19.359,0:50:24.680
but all right I got another one for you
0:50:22.119,0:50:27.119
here and this is more conversational
0:50:24.680,0:50:28.760
here you know you had some pretty
0:50:27.119,0:50:31.079
interesting hunts like I said you've
0:50:28.760,0:50:32.520
traveled all over the world not just the
0:50:31.079,0:50:35.520
country just like talking about been
0:50:32.520,0:50:37.799
hunted Africa and called Jackal which I
0:50:35.520,0:50:40.440
think is is awesome I'd love to do that
0:50:37.799,0:50:43.480
sometime but tell us tell us about a
0:50:40.440,0:50:45.079
hunt that uh that really sticks out in
0:50:43.480,0:50:47.000
your mind that that you'd put up there
0:50:45.079,0:50:49.319
towards the top you know if it could be
0:50:47.000,0:50:51.319
a c it could be anything I mean just
0:50:49.319,0:50:53.040
like I said you're you know you've
0:50:51.319,0:50:55.000
called all over the country talking
0:50:53.040,0:50:56.440
about doing sharks so you know you're
0:50:55.000,0:50:58.559
probably over the most well-traveled
0:50:56.440,0:51:00.319
coyote hunter that we've had on the
0:50:58.559,0:51:02.920
podcast or just Predator hunter in
0:51:00.319,0:51:04.319
general so tell us tell us what sticks
0:51:02.920,0:51:07.200
out in your
0:51:04.319,0:51:08.839
mind I would yeah I would probably have
0:51:07.200,0:51:12.119
to go
0:51:08.839,0:51:15.240
with calling in a caracle at night in
0:51:12.119,0:51:18.319
Africa and I've done it twice but the
0:51:15.240,0:51:21.680
last one I called in was just really
0:51:18.319,0:51:23.520
really good um we got really lucky on it
0:51:21.680,0:51:26.920
quick story but the Rancher was driving
0:51:23.520,0:51:28.240
in to come eat dinner with us
0:51:26.920,0:51:30.000
before you get to that tell tell
0:51:28.240,0:51:32.480
everybody what what that is I know what
0:51:30.000,0:51:34.920
it is but they yeah so a caracle is
0:51:32.480,0:51:37.400
basic it's it's an African Lynx which is
0:51:34.920,0:51:39.799
y like a really big bobcat but not as
0:51:37.400,0:51:41.559
big as a mountain line but just a
0:51:39.799,0:51:43.319
beautiful cat that's just a straight
0:51:41.559,0:51:45.040
killer I mean they hate them over there
0:51:43.319,0:51:47.960
because they just they wipe out
0:51:45.040,0:51:49.160
everything right so anyway he crossed
0:51:47.960,0:51:51.000
the road in front of the Rancher he
0:51:49.160,0:51:53.319
comes to the house tells us about it
0:51:51.000,0:51:55.040
where it was sure enough we go down
0:51:53.319,0:51:56.240
there first stand of the night start
0:51:55.040,0:51:58.680
calling
0:51:56.240,0:52:02.359
and almost immediately had eyes and it
0:51:58.680,0:52:05.359
was same scenario you'll never call up a
0:52:02.359,0:52:08.119
Carle or a jackal using a white light
0:52:05.359,0:52:10.920
well this thing was hungry so here he I
0:52:08.119,0:52:14.520
mean he came in perfect and he got to
0:52:10.920,0:52:17.680
probably 75 yards and I just start lip
0:52:14.520,0:52:19.920
squeaking and he starts this belly
0:52:17.680,0:52:22.680
crawl and man he works his way up to
0:52:19.920,0:52:24.520
about 40 yards and man I just dumped him
0:52:22.680,0:52:25.920
and it's just it's one of those like you
0:52:24.520,0:52:29.200
said it's one I'll never forget just
0:52:25.920,0:52:32.119
because it's so rare to do just a really
0:52:29.200,0:52:34.119
cool animal and I just that's probably
0:52:32.119,0:52:35.720
the one that jumps out the most another
0:52:34.119,0:52:37.119
one of those situations where they said
0:52:35.720,0:52:38.400
there's no way you can do this with a
0:52:37.119,0:52:40.920
white light and next thing you know
0:52:38.400,0:52:43.000
you're busting want it 40 yards the two
0:52:40.920,0:52:44.920
I've killed were both under 40 yards
0:52:43.000,0:52:47.480
awesome with a white light awesome
0:52:44.920,0:52:49.000
awesome we have to make sure we get a
0:52:47.480,0:52:51.880
picture of that put up for the thumbnail
0:52:49.000,0:52:53.839
for this podcast yeah I'll get you the
0:52:51.880,0:52:55.799
video too it's it's amazing you'll love
0:52:53.839,0:52:58.079
it awesome all right I got got four more
0:52:55.799,0:52:59.880
questions for you just quick hit stuff
0:52:58.079,0:53:02.760
we're running out of time here would you
0:52:59.880,0:53:04.599
rather here hunting in the States you
0:53:02.760,0:53:07.599
say you're in West Texas y'all start
0:53:04.599,0:53:09.839
videoing for the show would you rather
0:53:07.599,0:53:11.079
call in a Bobcat or a coyot like say if
0:53:09.839,0:53:13.559
both of them come in the same time which
0:53:11.079,0:53:15.760
one you shooting first no I'm shooting a
0:53:13.559,0:53:17.839
cat shooting a cat first awesome cats
0:53:15.760,0:53:20.119
are just cats are just amazing and
0:53:17.839,0:53:22.160
there's just you don't getting near as
0:53:20.119,0:53:24.119
many opportunities so they kind of it's
0:53:22.160,0:53:25.640
kind of one of those things you can a
0:53:24.119,0:53:28.440
lot of the coyotes can kind of get a
0:53:25.640,0:53:30.040
little blurry with and as memory you
0:53:28.440,0:53:31.520
know with your memory as time goes on
0:53:30.040,0:53:33.440
but usually them cats every one of those
0:53:31.520,0:53:35.599
cats kind of stick out don't they and
0:53:33.440,0:53:37.640
those big bright eyes and yeah yeah it's
0:53:35.599,0:53:41.599
it gets gets you going for sure
0:53:37.640,0:53:41.599
especially on big like 30 plus pound
0:53:41.799,0:53:45.839
Toms all right what what's your what fox
0:53:44.480,0:53:51.000
Pro units you running right now what's
0:53:45.839,0:53:54.920
your favorite unit um last year was x24
0:53:51.000,0:53:56.280
um really like it it's loud easy to
0:53:54.920,0:53:59.040
carry
0:53:56.280,0:54:01.480
um I used to really like shock wave but
0:53:59.040,0:54:05.000
I graduated from the shock wave to the
0:54:01.480,0:54:08.960
to the xwave and then now running to 24
0:54:05.000,0:54:11.400
awesome awesome all right watch your top
0:54:08.960,0:54:13.200
three favorite sounds you know this one
0:54:11.400,0:54:14.880
was coming I'm sure you've already got
0:54:13.200,0:54:17.760
prepared you probably got a WR that on
0:54:14.880,0:54:20.160
your hand no I told you at the show I
0:54:17.760,0:54:22.119
don't remember what I told you and I bet
0:54:20.160,0:54:24.359
you you wouldn't tell me you wouldn't
0:54:22.119,0:54:26.400
tell me nothing you told me one you said
0:54:24.359,0:54:28.240
I got to say the rest for the podcast
0:54:26.400,0:54:30.520
they didn't want to run so you only get
0:54:28.240,0:54:32.520
three sounds on Your Collar to run for
0:54:30.520,0:54:34.359
this season of Predator Pursuit what
0:54:32.520,0:54:36.839
three sounds you're going to put on your
0:54:34.359,0:54:39.359
call to make sure you have a successful
0:54:36.839,0:54:41.480
year filming for the TV
0:54:39.359,0:54:43.720
show
0:54:41.480,0:54:46.720
okay baby
0:54:43.720,0:54:49.359
Cottontail awesome Sam I can't decide
0:54:46.720,0:54:51.799
between nutty nut hatch or kg Cottontail
0:54:49.359,0:54:54.079
you got you've got two more all all
0:54:51.799,0:54:56.520
right kg
0:54:54.079,0:54:58.640
cottonil and
0:54:56.520,0:55:00.240
probably probably going Pound Town
0:54:58.640,0:55:02.960
something some sort of a fight oh you
0:55:00.240,0:55:04.440
did surprise me you did surprise me I
0:55:02.960,0:55:07.440
like it man I'm telling you I killed a
0:55:04.440,0:55:10.240
bunch last year with it I used to use P
0:55:07.440,0:55:12.119
pup three you know I've always ran that
0:55:10.240,0:55:13.960
on every stand yep and you know I've
0:55:12.119,0:55:16.680
killed quite a few
0:55:13.960,0:55:19.079
but I feel like I've I've really been
0:55:16.680,0:55:20.799
hammering them on that town town so kind
0:55:19.079,0:55:22.960
of kind of Chang flavor a little bit on
0:55:20.799,0:55:25.880
that one well that's good that's awesome
0:55:22.960,0:55:28.039
I was actually expecting uh
0:55:25.880,0:55:31.520
you had actually told me down in Texas
0:55:28.039,0:55:33.920
that nutty nut hatch was was your that's
0:55:31.520,0:55:36.000
a good one it's it's on my presets yep
0:55:33.920,0:55:38.559
yep those are all on my preset so you
0:55:36.000,0:55:40.720
got you got two pra dresses and and
0:55:38.559,0:55:43.000
allout Coy fight so if they don't come
0:55:40.720,0:55:45.000
to your pround you can finish standoff
0:55:43.000,0:55:47.960
with pound town and whatever ain't
0:55:45.000,0:55:50.480
hungry you're killing to that awesome I
0:55:47.960,0:55:53.200
like it well watch your number one sound
0:55:50.480,0:55:56.640
Mike Dylan says here's the new
0:55:53.200,0:55:58.480
x48 for this season
0:55:56.640,0:55:59.839
you get one sound you can put on it what
0:55:58.480,0:56:01.880
sound you want to make sure is on your
0:55:59.839,0:56:03.880
call you can have hand calls and all
0:56:01.880,0:56:07.760
that stuff but you got one electronic
0:56:03.880,0:56:10.640
call sound yeah probably kg some sort of
0:56:07.760,0:56:12.319
Cottontail it's Universal yep do you
0:56:10.640,0:56:15.200
remember do you remember what sound I
0:56:12.319,0:56:17.799
told you was my favorite down in Texas I
0:56:15.200,0:56:20.079
is kg cottontail i' have to say he was
0:56:17.799,0:56:22.799
going to give me one sound to hunt all
0:56:20.079,0:56:24.359
over the country all over the us if I
0:56:22.799,0:56:26.520
can only have one sound on my call it's
0:56:24.359,0:56:29.039
probably going to be you I'm telling you
0:56:26.520,0:56:31.559
I mean I've killed I've killed Jackal
0:56:29.039,0:56:33.760
and fox and coyotes and I mean I've
0:56:31.559,0:56:35.960
killed them all with it so it's tried
0:56:33.760,0:56:38.240
and true it works it it would definitely
0:56:35.960,0:56:40.440
be a pray distress sound and I would you
0:56:38.240,0:56:42.240
know if I got to pick it it would be Ki
0:56:40.440,0:56:43.480
but I would not be upset if somebody
0:56:42.240,0:56:45.599
else picked it for me and it was
0:56:43.480,0:56:48.119
something like baby Cotton Tail adult
0:56:45.599,0:56:50.319
Cotton Tail or Mrs MC Cotton Tail any of
0:56:48.119,0:56:53.440
those sounds I feel like I can
0:56:50.319,0:56:56.680
kill probably every animal that will
0:56:53.440,0:57:00.839
come to a fox Pro in in North America
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with it I agree for sure well Jeff I
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appreciate you having on having you on
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want you to tell everybody uh when and
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where they can watch the
0:57:06.480,0:57:11.960
show yeah sure so typically we run first
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and second quarter um on Sportsman
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Channel which is basically January
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through about
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July um times are different every year
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but we usually somewhere we'll have one
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or two Prime Time episodes somewhere
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around 7 o'clock on Sportsman Channel
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and
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we're starting to slowly add some stuff
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to YouTube and of course we got Facebook
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and Instagram and all that stuff so
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pretty easy to find yep follow make sure
0:57:35.559,0:57:38.559
you guys are following him on social
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he's all time throwing up little video
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clips up there really cool stuff to
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watch Jeff we enjoyed you on here
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everybody go check out Predator Pursuit