Tips and tactics for calling raccoons with FOXPRO's Jon Collins and MFK's Torry Cook.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast we've got a
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great episode lined up for you guys
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we're going to be discussing RAC [ __ ]
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calling with Tory cook of mfk game calls
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Tori it's great to have you back home
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buddy you doing all right oh yeah always
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fun talking to you so I'm ready for
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another one yes sir hey I've you've been
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spending quite a bit of time in the
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field I see you've been stacking up the
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coyotes
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yeah both seasons right around the
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corner so I've done things a little
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different this summer I didn't I didn't
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hunt much during early summer I was
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waiting on that P dispersal time frame
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and it got to that point and then it was
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a pinch between that and both seasons so
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I've been getting after them just about
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every morning trying to make one or two
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stands and they had some really good
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some really good stands yeah a lot of Cs
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yeah I've been following along youve
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you've killed quite a few here last
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little bit uh I know I was it last week
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or maybe the week before you killed an
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absolute monster of a Coy you had it
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hanging from a tree and it looked like
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one of those pictures you see them guys
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post every once in a while like on some
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of those Predator groups like some guy
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over in South Africa or somewhere have
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his big hyena hanging from a li or what
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that's what it reminded me man looks
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like a
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hyena yeah that thing was he was I I
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don't ever weigh him but he was
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definitely in the heavyweight division
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that sucker was he was and ain't no
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telling I mean this summertime k just
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imagine what he would looked like you
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know with his winter hair I wish I had
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have killed him during the winter just
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to see him like that but he was a big
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yeah there was thin hair and not you
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could tell he was a Monster yeah and the
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thing about it I killed him and walked
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up there and I was expecting to see some
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of them teeth like we killed on them Cs
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on the Texas trip but he he wasn't a Old
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Co really B yeah I figured he was only
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he still had really good teeth his insid
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was good he still had a little those
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dimples on there so I mean you know
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three four years old at the most really
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if he I figured he was a two or three
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year old C he was just a beggon yeah I
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never would have guessed that just from
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going from the sheer mass of him yeah he
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was I guess he got plenty of milk when
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he was a
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pup he got a good Head Start didn't he
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yeah something he was doing something
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but and and he was around I killed him
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not too far off some just Farm country
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in general where it was her I guess
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livestock country goats chickens little
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bit of everything so I he was keeping
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his belly pulled about anytime he wanted
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it I'd say you're all right well that uh
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that pretty much end our coyote
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conversation for this podcast like I
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said earlier we're going to kind of
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cover something different we're going to
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cover raccoon calling um I pretty much
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have zero experience calling calling for
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raccoons I have called up a couple to
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the fox Pro while making coyot St um it
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was one of those deals where they just
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completely caught me off guard it was
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pure accident why they came I can't
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remember what they came to maybe rabbit
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distress or maybe it was times when I
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would mix in raccoon distress just
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trying to get Coy to break or whatever
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but uh definitely wasn't planning on it
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definitely wasn't targeting targeting
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them but uh Tori on the other hand goes
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out and specifically targets raccoons
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and has tremendous success at calling
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them in um this this intrigues me
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because this is something I want to do
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you know I'm a I'm a deer hunter and I
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put out trail cameras and man I just see
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massive amounts of raccoons but I never
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have went and actually tried it Tori and
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you I've watched you you know big part
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of the summer you would go out and
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actually call for raccoons and when
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using your
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Longbow and killing these Coons is as
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coming into and I just thought that was
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awesome it's super intriguing so that's
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what we're going to talk about right
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here and I guess the first question Tor
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is how long have you been calling for
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raccoons you know Target targeting [ __ ]
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specifically several years now and I got
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started kind of like what you were were
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talking about where I was going out Co
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calling and randomly would call in a
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[ __ ] and I had started building some of
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those diaphragms and doing [ __ ] distress
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stuff and was playing with that a little
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bit more and started calling in
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Coons unintentionally calling in Coons
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just using mixing [ __ ] distress in on C
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stands and stuff like that saw that they
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were coming in and we got to where we go
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make coow stands and at the end of them
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we would run con sounds and we started
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killing cones on unsuccessful coow
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stands or sometimes we'd call up a cat
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and then swap the cone towards the end
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we'd call a cone and from there I said
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man this is pretty fun because they're
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so aggressive to the call right I
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started going out specifically you know
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on some of them to begin with it was
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some of those days where and even still
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some of those days are not great for
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calling cods maybe you got wind or
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drizzling rain or you know just not a
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good coat calling day you don't want to
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burn those spots I would go specifically
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call Coons and before long I figured out
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you know certain things certain times of
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the year and got to where when they were
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calling it's about as I mean it's hard
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to be it this far as fast action right
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and a lot of fun because it's it's quick
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it's easy and when they're calling you
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call them up on just about every stand
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if you're in Co oh man I I've watched
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the videos you know the videos you've
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put out and like I said it's it gets me
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pumped up like man why have I not tried
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this you know it's but anyway it U I
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guess the next question for you is is
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there any scouting involved before you
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start making raccoon stands is there
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anything specific that you that you look
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for when choosing a stand location for
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raccoons I think a lot of it ties right
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back to like we've talked about on some
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of the coou stuff if you've got a good
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[ __ ] pop population just like when you
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got a good cow population you can go out
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and make blind stands just in those
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areas you know that they should be yeah
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and have really good luck in other
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situations where maybe you don't have as
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much Timber you don't have as your
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population densities of coons are not as
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as much then you a lot of people will do
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stuff like look and scalp for mainly Den
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trees where they know where the coons
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are probably going to be dned up and you
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know it's referring a daytime calling of
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course or night but uh you know you can
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go look for those Den trees I have a CO
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I mean a [ __ ] population here to where I
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just go blind call yeah and typically
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I'm doing that in any area that I think
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C you know would hold Coons Creek
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bottoms River bottoms uh just anything
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like that where you know that the coons
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should be right that's how I start I go
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to those places and usually if if I'm
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doing it out of my truck
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you get out of your truck and walk
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across the ditch get in the woods and
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that's my first stand and I you got to
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keep the wind right I know they're a
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little animal and a lot of people
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Overlook that but they use their nose
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just like coats or any any other
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predator and if they wind you they will
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not come in the main thing you gotta
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worry about so I just get and they don't
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circle like C so it's not as critical
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but you do need it in your favor you
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know where you set your call out you
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want to make sure yeah if you're if the
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wind's blowing from you right to the den
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tree soon as they come out on limb
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they're just going to run right back in
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right right right and a lot the way that
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I'm calling them usually I don't see
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them come out of the tree right they're
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coming from a distance and Coons are
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more active than people think they are
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during the day especially when you know
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this time of the year or summer time of
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the year when they've got pups or
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kittens whatever you want to call them
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they're fairly active at certain times
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throughout the day some of my best [ __ ]
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column is doing that I usually start
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around midday and go towards dark is
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when I usually do most of my [ __ ]
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calling okay that's uh and it works any
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time of the day or night but that's that
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I think tend to have my best success for
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whatever reason I think those Coons are
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pretty active during you know for a
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period of time during the the middle of
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the day and you'll also notice that with
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your calling some days you'll go call
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and the con are active they're out of
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the den tree they may be on the ground
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or at least you know up been awake and
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it only takes a minute or two and
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they're on top of you right you may go
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the next day and struggle to call Coons
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and it's usually because they're just
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not active right then there have been
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times where I'll go and I'll make five
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or six stands not call anything up wait
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two three hours come back to the same
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area do the same thing and they're
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running over me it's just them being
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active versus not being right right it's
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just kind of Hit or Miss so you're
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saying that that you might go early in
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the morning say right after sunrise and
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burn them up and then sometimes you know
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you might have to hit them midday or
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late in the afternoon or whatever it's
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just it just kind of depends on what's
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going on in a raccoon's life I guess
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right right it's it's one of those deals
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I always tell people you know if you're
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gonna [ __ ] call go make five or six
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stands and if you're not calling con
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pretty steady just wait till the next
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day or wait later in the day and hit
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them again okay and you will catch them
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calling and in
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general you know certain times there's a
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couple times a year that are better than
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others but in general they're usually
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some con active so you're gonna call
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some and then you just have those days
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where every time you turn it on one runs
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over you and there are you can tell from
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the pictures and stuff that there are a
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lot of days that are like that you know
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you'll you'll just call them up and the
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two times are kind of like with coats
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the breeding season for coons your
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winter calling is really really good
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that's a prime peak time and
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then summertime when those [ __ ] kittens
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get up about weaning age Y and they're
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out of the den just like pups getting
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out of the hole when they get out of the
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den tree and they're beginning to be
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active and fooling around and following
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that mamaon and then sometimes spending
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time away from her oh that's when it's
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dynamite I mean you can just you can
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slaughter them because they're coming
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you think that is that is now here in
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you know say going in October here uh
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like you know I'm running trail cameras
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for deer you know deer seasons's in here
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in Kentucky came in first Saturday of
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September uh one of the reasons why I'm
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getting a lot of raccoon pictures here
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in Kentucky you are allowed to bait and
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I I run bait piles it's a great way to
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scout you know I know exactly what I've
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got to hunt in my areas well guess what
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else loves those bait piles guess what
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else loves corn the dag on raccoon so
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when I get pictures of them it usually
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it's not a single you know it's like
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five or six or seven
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sometimes eight raccoons in a single
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picture so that's what that is I guess
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is a s raccoon or whatever they call
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them and the young earings a lot of
0:11:08.639,0:11:13.959
times it is and that's that's probably
0:11:10.959,0:11:15.399
the best time to really pile them up is
0:11:13.959,0:11:17.360
during that time frame and something
0:11:15.399,0:11:18.560
else to keep in mind I've had people go
0:11:17.360,0:11:21.079
out and they'll call me and they'll say
0:11:18.560,0:11:22.480
man I I saw Coons that may be at a deer
0:11:21.079,0:11:23.880
feeder they may be doing at night where
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they're shining eyes and they see the
0:11:23.880,0:11:28.720
con and trees y they'll turn the call on
0:11:26.360,0:11:30.000
and they'll see the conon run from them
0:11:28.720,0:11:32.399
you know
0:11:30.000,0:11:34.639
they they may have six eight cones at a
0:11:32.399,0:11:36.519
deer they turn the call on one con cone
0:11:34.639,0:11:39.519
comes to and the rest of them run away
0:11:36.519,0:11:42.160
okay and typically when you're calling
0:11:39.519,0:11:44.600
just about every cone that I kill with
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the exception of a boore here and there
0:11:44.600,0:11:49.279
just about every [ __ ] that you kill
0:11:46.360,0:11:52.680
during this time of the year will be a s
0:11:49.279,0:11:54.959
[ __ ] that has had kittens Almost 100%
0:11:52.680,0:11:56.720
You Will Call some bores mixed in yeah
0:11:54.959,0:11:59.320
when you get into that breeding time
0:11:56.720,0:12:02.480
frame just about every [ __ ] you call
0:11:59.320,0:12:04.480
will be a big older Bor conon you will
0:12:02.480,0:12:06.680
have some exceptions where it's just a
0:12:04.480,0:12:08.279
random [ __ ] that comes up but for the
0:12:06.680,0:12:09.720
most part when you're when you're
0:12:08.279,0:12:12.240
running those [ __ ]
0:12:09.720,0:12:14.399
sounds a a portion of the [ __ ]
0:12:12.240,0:12:15.800
population is not going to come to it
0:12:14.399,0:12:18.279
they're actually going to run away from
0:12:15.800,0:12:21.399
it so your younger Coons your your Coons
0:12:18.279,0:12:23.519
that don't have kittens um this time of
0:12:21.399,0:12:26.000
the year most of the time they don't
0:12:23.519,0:12:27.399
come to the call but there are so many
0:12:26.000,0:12:29.240
of them that do have and if you're
0:12:27.399,0:12:31.480
trying to do [ __ ] control like a lot of
0:12:29.240,0:12:32.959
people are now yep lot of that whole
0:12:31.480,0:12:35.440
family group will come in you'll call
0:12:32.959,0:12:37.440
the salon and however many kittens she
0:12:35.440,0:12:39.279
has will come with her and so if you're
0:12:37.440,0:12:41.519
shotgunning and stuff like that you can
0:12:39.279,0:12:43.880
get you can wipe out that whole family
0:12:41.519,0:12:47.240
group man that's what I'm hoping I get
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into yeah yeah I mean it's it's really
0:12:47.240,0:12:51.199
effective at thinning you know thinning
0:12:49.360,0:12:54.240
your [ __ ] numbers down if that's what
0:12:51.199,0:12:56.440
you're wanting to do um or if you're
0:12:54.240,0:12:59.560
just doing it for fun or whatever but
0:12:56.440,0:13:01.480
both both I'm looking for both fun and
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and and put a den in
0:13:01.480,0:13:06.680
them yeah but that's one thing to keep
0:13:04.199,0:13:08.560
in mind is that not all the coons are
0:13:06.680,0:13:10.240
attracted to it some of them are gonna
0:13:08.560,0:13:11.680
and don't let you know don't let that
0:13:10.240,0:13:14.040
discourage you if you happen to have
0:13:11.680,0:13:16.120
eyes on a cone see it in the tree shine
0:13:14.040,0:13:18.040
its eyes see the deer feeder whatever
0:13:16.120,0:13:19.760
see it cross the road you turn the call
0:13:18.040,0:13:22.880
on and it doesn't come or it runs away
0:13:19.760,0:13:25.480
from you that is to be expected that
0:13:22.880,0:13:28.880
that happens but those Coons that have
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kittens this time of year either her
0:13:28.880,0:13:32.959
alone and a lot of times you'll have two
0:13:30.440,0:13:35.120
or three different salons come in by by
0:13:32.959,0:13:37.959
their s awesome you kill a triple or
0:13:35.120,0:13:39.399
something on one one stand and then
0:13:37.959,0:13:42.920
you'll also have them where that whole
0:13:39.399,0:13:46.519
family comes and then when you get into
0:13:42.920,0:13:48.720
the outside once just like with the cods
0:13:46.519,0:13:51.600
once those family groups bust up and
0:13:48.720,0:13:54.480
they are kind of doing their own thing
0:13:51.600,0:13:57.279
then you start your [ __ ] calling gets
0:13:54.480,0:14:01.800
more random where you steal call Coons
0:13:57.279,0:14:04.199
but it may not be at as you know ever St
0:14:01.800,0:14:06.199
like it can be time the year and then
0:14:04.199,0:14:08.600
when you get once they start breeding
0:14:06.199,0:14:10.680
whatever time frame that is for you know
0:14:08.600,0:14:12.959
the different areas and you just have to
0:14:10.680,0:14:15.839
check that in your area see when it is
0:14:12.959,0:14:17.320
that's awesome too because them big bore
0:14:15.839,0:14:18.959
con come running in there and a lot of
0:14:17.320,0:14:21.440
times when you kill them it's it's as
0:14:18.959,0:14:23.320
big as the cones get for that area and
0:14:21.440,0:14:25.839
they'll have split ears and they're real
0:14:23.320,0:14:27.720
aggressive they will fre you you know
0:14:25.839,0:14:29.279
they'll get two or three feet from you
0:14:27.720,0:14:31.000
as long as they don't smell
0:14:29.279,0:14:33.199
a lot of times they're growling at you
0:14:31.000,0:14:36.160
you know they're looking it's like they
0:14:33.199,0:14:38.079
don't realize they don't size you up
0:14:36.160,0:14:41.800
like humans do they see you and they're
0:14:38.079,0:14:44.399
like I can whop his ass I got him I got
0:14:41.800,0:14:47.120
him it's fun I mean they will run over
0:14:44.399,0:14:49.680
your tee and I think if you put the call
0:14:47.120,0:14:51.360
on your shoulder some of those Coons
0:14:49.680,0:14:54.320
would run up there and knock the call
0:14:51.360,0:14:56.199
off I've shot through them with Aras
0:14:54.320,0:14:58.800
yeah and then feel I mean I've got
0:14:56.199,0:15:01.279
videos where I shoot them and shoot
0:14:58.800,0:15:02.759
clean through them and that [ __ ] just
0:15:01.279,0:15:04.920
keeps on coming runs up there and he'll
0:15:02.759,0:15:06.920
slap the call and then blood squirting
0:15:04.920,0:15:09.680
out both sides of him and then him go to
0:15:06.920,0:15:12.000
kicking right there beside it
0:15:09.680,0:15:15.079
after
0:15:12.000,0:15:17.720
aesome Let's uh you was talking about
0:15:15.079,0:15:19.560
you know using raccoon sounds what let's
0:15:17.720,0:15:22.880
talk about that what type of sounds do
0:15:19.560,0:15:25.600
you run for calling raccoons and um you
0:15:22.880,0:15:26.920
know at at you know different types of
0:15:25.600,0:15:28.240
sounds that you'll play at different
0:15:26.920,0:15:31.079
times of year say like you're in the
0:15:28.240,0:15:33.240
fall October November time frame what
0:15:31.079,0:15:35.560
you would run and then you was mentioned
0:15:33.240,0:15:40.160
like the breeding season uh you can you
0:15:35.560,0:15:42.360
can finish up with that yeah so to get
0:15:40.160,0:15:45.639
started with it and and I have this
0:15:42.360,0:15:47.279
happen throughout the you know if I
0:15:45.639,0:15:49.279
start calling during summer and call all
0:15:47.279,0:15:51.199
the way through fall and into winter
0:15:49.279,0:15:53.959
you'll have this happen kind of like
0:15:51.199,0:15:55.759
fishing and changing baits usually when
0:15:53.959,0:15:57.440
I go if it's been a little while since
0:15:55.759,0:15:58.880
let's just say I hadn't been or like if
0:15:57.440,0:16:00.759
you were going to start in your area or
0:15:58.880,0:16:01.800
somebody's gonna start in their area I
0:16:00.759,0:16:04.480
would
0:16:01.800,0:16:07.639
go this time of the year this fall time
0:16:04.480,0:16:10.199
frame and I would focus primarily on
0:16:07.639,0:16:13.880
those [ __ ] distress sounds like young
0:16:10.199,0:16:17.120
[ __ ] type distress sounds or those young
0:16:13.880,0:16:19.560
[ __ ] feeding sounds and then I end it
0:16:17.120,0:16:22.079
with the fights but typically the way I
0:16:19.560,0:16:24.199
figure out what they're biting on is
0:16:22.079,0:16:26.399
when I get to my spot and I get set up
0:16:24.199,0:16:28.720
I'll turn a sound on and I just randomly
0:16:26.399,0:16:31.600
pick any of those young [ __ ] distress
0:16:28.720,0:16:33.839
type sounds and I'll start with one and
0:16:31.600,0:16:36.920
I'll play it for about two minutes two
0:16:33.839,0:16:38.839
minutes time frame hits on my remote I
0:16:36.920,0:16:40.920
swap to another one run it for about two
0:16:38.839,0:16:42.839
minutes and I'll go through about four
0:16:40.920,0:16:45.120
or five sounds and that'll usually get
0:16:42.839,0:16:46.680
me about you know eight minutes or so is
0:16:45.120,0:16:48.959
kind of what I'm shooting for so in
0:16:46.680,0:16:51.279
eight minutes I'll play about four
0:16:48.959,0:16:53.639
different sounds two minutes
0:16:51.279,0:16:56.519
each I go to the ne if I don't call a
0:16:53.639,0:16:58.040
[ __ ] I go to the next stand I'll do the
0:16:56.519,0:16:59.920
same thing but with four different
0:16:58.040,0:17:01.839
sounds or I might mix one or two of the
0:16:59.920,0:17:04.439
same sounds if they know they've worked
0:17:01.839,0:17:06.480
well in the past and then when I call a
0:17:04.439,0:17:09.400
[ __ ] the first [ __ ] that shows up
0:17:06.480,0:17:11.160
whatever sound he shows up on that's
0:17:09.400,0:17:13.559
going to be the sound I start with on
0:17:11.160,0:17:16.919
the next stand okay and I do the same
0:17:13.559,0:17:18.439
thing until I find a couple of sounds
0:17:16.919,0:17:20.760
that they're triggering on really good
0:17:18.439,0:17:25.120
and that will change from you know you
0:17:20.760,0:17:26.959
may go today and they're triggering on
0:17:25.120,0:17:29.600
Fox Pro youngon distress which is a
0:17:26.959,0:17:32.360
really good one and the other one may be
0:17:29.600,0:17:35.160
mk's jabon those may be the two sounds
0:17:32.360,0:17:37.039
that are just killer that day and you go
0:17:35.160,0:17:39.160
next week and you run those two sounds
0:17:37.039,0:17:42.960
over and you're not calling anything up
0:17:39.160,0:17:44.720
you can swap over to Baby [ __ ] Den or
0:17:42.960,0:17:46.880
baby [ __ ] big [ __ ] fight and all of a
0:17:44.720,0:17:49.200
sudden those Coons for whatever reason
0:17:46.880,0:17:51.559
are triggering better on those two
0:17:49.200,0:17:53.320
sounds just like CS you know how they'll
0:17:51.559,0:17:54.679
get on a you'll get on a stretch of
0:17:53.320,0:17:56.080
sounds where you're just wearing them
0:17:54.679,0:17:58.400
out and then all of a sudden for
0:17:56.080,0:17:59.600
whatever reason those sounds seem like
0:17:58.400,0:18:02.679
you're not working as well and you'll
0:17:59.600,0:18:05.039
find something else yep the coons Coons
0:18:02.679,0:18:07.760
are the same way it's just a lot easier
0:18:05.039,0:18:10.159
with the coons because when you make a
0:18:07.760,0:18:11.760
stand if you'll run through your sounds
0:18:10.159,0:18:13.120
and play them about two minutes each
0:18:11.760,0:18:15.000
because those coons get there fast
0:18:13.120,0:18:17.120
they're not GNA come from very far and
0:18:15.000,0:18:19.799
they get there quick so if you run a
0:18:17.120,0:18:21.159
sound for a couple minutes and he's not
0:18:19.799,0:18:23.520
there and you swap to another one and
0:18:21.159,0:18:26.480
you do that over you know three four
0:18:23.520,0:18:28.880
five six stands if the coons are calling
0:18:26.480,0:18:30.480
by that point you're gonna figure out a
0:18:28.880,0:18:33.520
couple of sounds that they're triggering
0:18:30.480,0:18:35.280
on and so from there once I get that
0:18:33.520,0:18:38.080
figured out let's say they're they're
0:18:35.280,0:18:40.280
biting on whatever two sounds then I
0:18:38.080,0:18:42.120
alter the way that I start calling from
0:18:40.280,0:18:44.919
there and I'll usually run those two
0:18:42.120,0:18:49.080
sounds for about four minutes each and
0:18:44.919,0:18:50.520
then I move on I got you so it's you
0:18:49.080,0:18:52.120
know it's to begin with you're just
0:18:50.520,0:18:54.400
figuring out what they're biting on at
0:18:52.120,0:18:56.559
that specific time then once you get
0:18:54.400,0:18:58.960
those one or two sounds I'll run
0:18:56.559,0:19:02.799
basically a a seven eight minute it
0:18:58.960,0:19:04.880
stand and then as far as how far to go
0:19:02.799,0:19:07.159
and just continuing on the process a lot
0:19:04.880,0:19:09.640
of times I'm just walking yeah or I'm in
0:19:07.159,0:19:12.200
my boat and I'm just going you know two
0:19:09.640,0:19:14.880
300 yards is all you need to move on
0:19:12.200,0:19:17.520
Coons okay you know I'll make a stand
0:19:14.880,0:19:19.840
move about I usually move 300 yards or
0:19:17.520,0:19:23.720
so is about what I'm moving and make
0:19:19.840,0:19:26.840
another stand and you'll call Coons
0:19:23.720,0:19:30.159
on you know that short a distance you'll
0:19:26.840,0:19:33.080
you'll call Coons volume let that sucker
0:19:30.159,0:19:36.480
Hammer [ __ ] like a lot of volume and so
0:19:33.080,0:19:38.919
I'm running on like the x24 I'm usually
0:19:36.480,0:19:41.559
running some people will run It Wide
0:19:38.919,0:19:43.720
Open I'm usually running in that 32 34
0:19:41.559,0:19:47.120
range which is which is screaming on the
0:19:43.720,0:19:49.039
24 yeah yeah especially with those [ __ ]
0:19:47.120,0:19:51.120
distress sounds so you're reaching out
0:19:49.039,0:19:52.600
there with that but if you if you're
0:19:51.120,0:19:55.080
running
0:19:52.600,0:19:58.760
something anything outside of those X
0:19:55.080,0:20:01.919
Series calls i' full volume
0:19:58.760,0:20:04.720
blast yep you I'd be up there running
0:20:01.919,0:20:07.039
volume 40 and you know on some of the
0:20:04.720,0:20:09.320
the smaller units run them wide open X
0:20:07.039,0:20:13.159
Series any of the X Series stuff I'd be
0:20:09.320,0:20:15.039
in those you know mid-30s low to mid-30s
0:20:13.159,0:20:16.440
that sounds good so you're saying you
0:20:15.039,0:20:18.600
know if you're going to go make a coyot
0:20:16.440,0:20:21.080
stand you're you're calling for about
0:20:18.600,0:20:22.400
eight minutes if if nothing shows in
0:20:21.080,0:20:24.760
eight minutes you're packing up and
0:20:22.400,0:20:28.799
moving two three 350 yards and making
0:20:24.760,0:20:33.559
another stand right yep yep awesome what
0:20:28.799,0:20:35.480
about what what changes up does does S
0:20:33.559,0:20:37.039
type of sound change when you're talking
0:20:35.480,0:20:38.880
about that breeding season that you was
0:20:37.039,0:20:41.720
mentioning earlier do you do you still
0:20:38.880,0:20:45.360
play some of that young [ __ ] distress or
0:20:41.720,0:20:47.520
is it more bites and stuff like that I
0:20:45.360,0:20:49.360
don't yeah it does change a little this
0:20:47.520,0:20:51.600
time of the year I don't play much fight
0:20:49.360,0:20:55.000
stuff at all I kind of save that for the
0:20:51.600,0:20:57.159
breeding okay okay so this time I might
0:20:55.000,0:20:58.880
if I'm not calling Coons or maybe I've
0:20:57.159,0:21:00.600
called in some sometimes you'll call in
0:20:58.880,0:21:03.600
a [ __ ] not get a shot or you may have
0:21:00.600,0:21:05.799
one show up or and another one's coming
0:21:03.600,0:21:07.559
and you shoot the first one and it kind
0:21:05.799,0:21:10.080
of like doing coow you can swap over to
0:21:07.559,0:21:11.760
a fight s maybe call that [ __ ] back in
0:21:10.080,0:21:13.480
I'll do that a little bit this time of
0:21:11.760,0:21:17.320
the year but for the most part I'm
0:21:13.480,0:21:20.720
sticking with those either young [ __ ]
0:21:17.320,0:21:23.279
distress sounds or baby [ __ ] feeding
0:21:20.720,0:21:25.360
type stuff like that baby [ __ ] den and
0:21:23.279,0:21:27.120
jabber [ __ ] those are hungry [ __ ]
0:21:25.360,0:21:28.520
kittens that are not in distress they're
0:21:27.120,0:21:30.559
just shattering and they work pretty
0:21:28.520,0:21:31.960
good for calling those Styles and then
0:21:30.559,0:21:35.440
some of the other ones like Fox Pro
0:21:31.960,0:21:39.000
young [ __ ] distress is a really good one
0:21:35.440,0:21:42.000
um their actual distress sound so that's
0:21:39.000,0:21:44.159
primarily what I run now what changes
0:21:42.000,0:21:47.559
going into breeding season is I still
0:21:44.159,0:21:49.840
run some of those distress sounds but I
0:21:47.559,0:21:53.360
mix in you know some of those fights
0:21:49.840,0:21:56.400
like big [ __ ] mfk big [ __ ] baby [ __ ] box
0:21:53.360,0:21:58.840
Pros [ __ ] fight you know you'll mix some
0:21:56.400,0:22:01.039
of those in and a lot of times if those
0:21:58.840,0:22:02.960
borons don't show up on those distress
0:22:01.039,0:22:05.039
sounds they'll show up on those fights
0:22:02.960,0:22:08.400
or you may kill one early in the stand
0:22:05.039,0:22:10.400
on the distress and then call another
0:22:08.400,0:22:12.919
one in when you swap to the fights just
0:22:10.400,0:22:15.440
like Co calling and picking up extra
0:22:12.919,0:22:17.480
coats so would you would you do that for
0:22:15.440,0:22:19.679
the fall calling as well say if you call
0:22:17.480,0:22:22.720
one in in the first two minutes to some
0:22:19.679,0:22:25.720
form of of young raccoon distress and
0:22:22.720,0:22:27.400
you kill one is the stand over or do you
0:22:25.720,0:22:30.080
keep running the same sound or will you
0:22:27.400,0:22:33.200
swap to a fight or what's the game
0:22:30.080,0:22:36.799
plan some of some of both all all of
0:22:33.200,0:22:38.919
that so usually when you you'll kill a
0:22:36.799,0:22:40.720
lot of singles but you'll also have a
0:22:38.919,0:22:42.840
lot of stands where you're in them thick
0:22:40.720,0:22:48.120
and I mean I've had stands where I call
0:22:42.840,0:22:50.559
in six seven grown adult T you know
0:22:48.120,0:22:53.360
that's and it's not uncommon to call in
0:22:50.559,0:22:54.960
two or three you know on a stand that's
0:22:53.360,0:22:58.000
that's pretty common two or three is
0:22:54.960,0:22:59.880
pretty common and a lot of times that is
0:22:58.000,0:23:01.240
you can keep that same sound running if
0:22:59.880,0:23:04.960
you found something that's working
0:23:01.240,0:23:06.840
really good or what I do is you know if
0:23:04.960,0:23:08.320
I call that first one in and a lot of
0:23:06.840,0:23:09.880
times they show up at the same time you
0:23:08.320,0:23:12.559
shoot one keep it
0:23:09.880,0:23:14.679
running and if another one doesn't show
0:23:12.559,0:23:17.039
up you know in 30 seconds or minute then
0:23:14.679,0:23:19.400
I'll swap to another sound and then
0:23:17.039,0:23:21.559
maybe play a light at the end of it to
0:23:19.400,0:23:24.480
see if I can pull those Coons back in or
0:23:21.559,0:23:27.080
pull another one in and again you're not
0:23:24.480,0:23:28.799
giving them a whole lot of time most of
0:23:27.080,0:23:31.240
the time if they're going to come back
0:23:28.799,0:23:33.039
or if another one's going to come it's
0:23:31.240,0:23:36.760
still all going to be within that seven
0:23:33.039,0:23:39.120
eight minute time frame right okay yep
0:23:36.760,0:23:41.960
early on when I first started learning
0:23:39.120,0:23:44.480
how to do it I ran some really long
0:23:41.960,0:23:46.720
stands you know like 12 15 minutes more
0:23:44.480,0:23:48.600
like you might would for coat stands and
0:23:46.720,0:23:51.480
stuff some of your maybe shorter coat
0:23:48.600,0:23:53.840
stands but those are extremely long [ __ ]
0:23:51.480,0:23:58.440
stands and you will pick up a [ __ ] here
0:23:53.840,0:24:00.240
or there in those you know long stand
0:23:58.440,0:24:04.240
type scenarios but there're so few and
0:24:00.240,0:24:06.640
far between that it's not worth you know
0:24:04.240,0:24:09.600
right spending extra time you're better
0:24:06.640,0:24:12.080
300 yards yeah you'll kill more Coons
0:24:09.600,0:24:14.919
that way by making those those shorter
0:24:12.080,0:24:16.960
stands and and as I progress with it you
0:24:14.919,0:24:18.279
know I get impatient and a lot of times
0:24:16.960,0:24:19.799
when they're calling good and I'm
0:24:18.279,0:24:21.520
killing those Coons you know in the
0:24:19.799,0:24:23.440
first most of the time you'll kill them
0:24:21.520,0:24:25.720
in the first couple sequences of the
0:24:23.440,0:24:28.279
sound you know first couple minutes yeah
0:24:25.720,0:24:30.440
and you know I get to when they're
0:24:28.279,0:24:33.360
calling good and I know they're calling
0:24:30.440,0:24:36.520
good six minutes or so I may run if I've
0:24:33.360,0:24:38.600
got two sounds there there were two
0:24:36.520,0:24:40.559
sounds that I killed the bulk of the
0:24:38.600,0:24:42.799
coons off here lately and they will
0:24:40.559,0:24:45.679
release about the same time the new Fox
0:24:42.799,0:24:47.760
Bros release um one of them was called
0:24:45.679,0:24:50.279
screaming [ __ ] kitten and one called
0:24:47.760,0:24:52.200
[ __ ] supper and I was I got to where I
0:24:50.279,0:24:55.600
was playing those two sounds about three
0:24:52.200,0:24:58.520
minutes a piece and just smashing them
0:24:55.600,0:25:01.080
awesome and there are
0:24:58.520,0:25:02.919
multiple as far as just some really good
0:25:01.080,0:25:04.799
sounds if a guy was going to add sounds
0:25:02.919,0:25:07.679
he didn't have [ __ ] sounds on his call
0:25:04.799,0:25:10.960
right now Fox Pro young [ __ ]
0:25:07.679,0:25:13.320
distress [ __ ] fight from Fox Pro and
0:25:10.960,0:25:16.840
then when you jump to the mfk side of it
0:25:13.320,0:25:19.960
big [ __ ] baby [ __ ] jabber [ __ ] baby [ __ ]
0:25:16.840,0:25:23.720
den and then when these new sounds hit
0:25:19.960,0:25:27.000
[ __ ] supper
0:25:23.720,0:25:28.679
um screaming [ __ ] kitten those are two
0:25:27.000,0:25:31.200
must haves and then there's there'll be
0:25:28.679,0:25:34.880
several more that release that have been
0:25:31.200,0:25:38.240
pretty good but those are those are some
0:25:34.880,0:25:41.000
just general allpurpose this time of the
0:25:38.240,0:25:44.399
year you know summer fall winter those
0:25:41.000,0:25:46.760
sounds will kill you some cones awesome
0:25:44.399,0:25:48.600
awesome you was talking about you know
0:25:46.760,0:25:49.679
running a couple different sounds you
0:25:48.600,0:25:51.760
know when they're coming good you're
0:25:49.679,0:25:54.600
playing usually two two sounds and
0:25:51.760,0:25:58.080
you're running a six-minute stand um I'm
0:25:54.600,0:26:00.159
assuming no pauses at all ever and if
0:25:58.080,0:26:01.960
you and if you're switching sounds do
0:26:00.159,0:26:04.760
you pause any or you just feed right
0:26:01.960,0:26:07.120
into the to number two sound right to
0:26:04.760,0:26:09.120
the next sound with with coons you know
0:26:07.120,0:26:12.279
I run a lot of pauses on my coach stands
0:26:09.120,0:26:14.360
I think they help you but with coons you
0:26:12.279,0:26:16.399
want that sound going if you pause it on
0:26:14.360,0:26:19.399
him a lot of times he will he'll turn
0:26:16.399,0:26:22.200
around to leave or he'll hang him up so
0:26:19.399,0:26:24.440
I keep the noise running and I roll from
0:26:22.200,0:26:26.880
one sound you know if while it's
0:26:24.440,0:26:28.880
playing I've already scrolled down got
0:26:26.880,0:26:31.520
my next sound ready to go and when I get
0:26:28.880,0:26:33.200
ready to swap it over you know usually
0:26:31.520,0:26:35.960
when there there are those natural
0:26:33.200,0:26:37.799
breaks and pauses in the sound I usually
0:26:35.960,0:26:39.559
when that hits you know I'm timing it to
0:26:37.799,0:26:41.440
where it rolls into that next sound
0:26:39.559,0:26:43.880
smooth but it don't matter okay you can
0:26:41.440,0:26:45.840
just hit it anytime you want to and I
0:26:43.880,0:26:48.919
keep that sound going continuous the
0:26:45.840,0:26:50.640
full length of the stand great info um
0:26:48.919,0:26:52.520
here's a here's a pretty good question I
0:26:50.640,0:26:53.919
think that uh some people will be
0:26:52.520,0:26:55.640
wondering about and I'm wondering about
0:26:53.919,0:26:58.559
myself and I kind I think I know the
0:26:55.640,0:27:00.640
answer to it but uh how close do you
0:26:58.559,0:27:02.559
usually want to put your Fox Pro unit
0:27:00.640,0:27:04.720
from you when you're calling for RAC
0:27:02.559,0:27:07.320
cones fairly
0:27:04.720,0:27:10.320
close however close you want the the
0:27:07.320,0:27:13.240
action to be I'm telling you I mean I
0:27:10.320,0:27:15.799
put it close because I like that yeah
0:27:13.240,0:27:17.880
you know I I love the that's what's so
0:27:15.799,0:27:20.720
fun about the [ __ ] calling is if they
0:27:17.880,0:27:24.039
don't smell you they are so aggressive
0:27:20.720,0:27:26.399
to the call especially some Coons
0:27:24.039,0:27:28.240
they're so aggressive to the call you
0:27:26.399,0:27:30.360
could put the call leave it hanging
0:27:28.240,0:27:32.240
around your neck oh man and the coons
0:27:30.360,0:27:34.480
would hit you I mean that I'm not
0:27:32.240,0:27:38.039
exaggerating the co will hit you they'll
0:27:34.480,0:27:40.480
run into you and I mean
0:27:38.039,0:27:42.799
it's I don't even know if I should tell
0:27:40.480,0:27:45.000
this but I've got a couple I've got this
0:27:42.799,0:27:48.039
on video I was wearing a GoPro on my
0:27:45.000,0:27:50.360
head I've got a couple of them from just
0:27:48.039,0:27:53.240
here recently where I was shooting that
0:27:50.360,0:27:55.960
Longbow had multiple Coons come in two
0:27:53.240,0:27:58.080
separate occasions I shoot one of the
0:27:55.960,0:28:00.240
coons and the other one turns and runs
0:27:58.080,0:28:03.240
directly to me and I kill it with my
0:28:00.240,0:28:03.240
foot stomp
0:28:03.360,0:28:09.320
it that's pretty close action there yeah
0:28:07.559,0:28:13.080
actually I got some really good sounds
0:28:09.320,0:28:13.080
out of them before I bet you
0:28:13.399,0:28:19.480
did that's how close they'll get to you
0:28:16.360,0:28:21.159
and like I said you you will shoot them
0:28:19.480,0:28:23.279
and they will continue coming to the
0:28:21.159,0:28:25.840
call you know steel not all of them some
0:28:23.279,0:28:28.200
of them are it depends on I guess the
0:28:25.840,0:28:30.000
personality and just how works worked up
0:28:28.200,0:28:32.600
they are but you'll have certain cones
0:28:30.000,0:28:34.000
that man you'll you'll shoot at them
0:28:32.600,0:28:36.240
they just keep on maybe you miss them
0:28:34.000,0:28:39.279
with a shotgun blow dirt all over don't
0:28:36.240,0:28:42.279
care they don't care he'll run through
0:28:39.279,0:28:44.600
it big cloud of dust and a big Boron
0:28:42.279,0:28:47.679
will run through it growling and
0:28:44.600,0:28:50.200
snoring they must be gray fox and
0:28:47.679,0:28:51.519
raccoons must be related somehow it
0:28:50.200,0:28:53.640
seems like I've heard the same type of
0:28:51.519,0:28:56.399
stories about gray foxes in certain
0:28:53.640,0:28:58.360
areas it is and a guy called me just the
0:28:56.399,0:29:00.039
other day talking about he was he was
0:28:58.360,0:29:01.360
talking about calling I can't remember
0:29:00.039,0:29:03.279
if he was talking about gray fox and
0:29:01.360,0:29:04.960
call he was calling in Coons or if he
0:29:03.279,0:29:06.840
was calling Coons and calling in Gray
0:29:04.960,0:29:09.399
Fox but I've had that happen some too
0:29:06.840,0:29:11.960
and you know they kind of have a similar
0:29:09.399,0:29:14.360
voice and they're both really aggressive
0:29:11.960,0:29:16.000
to the sound so you'll have that some
0:29:14.360,0:29:18.480
but man
0:29:16.000,0:29:20.919
it's I know it's a little predator and
0:29:18.480,0:29:23.519
it's not the same as as uh you know
0:29:20.919,0:29:26.399
they're kind of I don't know what you'd
0:29:23.519,0:29:29.480
call them but kind of like Fox but they
0:29:26.399,0:29:32.000
are there's so much fun to to call I
0:29:29.480,0:29:35.000
can't anybody likes to co call should
0:29:32.000,0:29:36.559
love Coe calling if you've got kids or
0:29:35.000,0:29:38.399
somebody that's just getting started
0:29:36.559,0:29:40.600
that wants you know you need something
0:29:38.399,0:29:42.200
that's fast action to hold their
0:29:40.600,0:29:44.760
attention get them into it you can't
0:29:42.200,0:29:46.919
beat [ __ ] and especially when you get it
0:29:44.760,0:29:50.399
figured out and you've got them calling
0:29:46.919,0:29:52.360
right well I can't wa I've been you know
0:29:50.399,0:29:54.600
i' was getting this together for this
0:29:52.360,0:29:56.480
podcast I said man I can I done looked
0:29:54.600,0:29:58.399
up seen one opening day was here in
0:29:56.480,0:30:00.919
Kentucky you know
0:29:58.399,0:30:03.279
I'm I'm going to go call I mean you know
0:30:00.919,0:30:05.320
I'm not even thinking about coyotes when
0:30:03.279,0:30:07.399
that comes in I'm going to go call
0:30:05.320,0:30:09.000
raccoons because I've got like you know
0:30:07.399,0:30:11.159
we've got properties that's absolutely
0:30:09.000,0:30:13.760
load there's a lot of crops here a lot
0:30:11.159,0:30:15.399
of corn a lot of soybeans uh you know
0:30:13.760,0:30:17.480
there's always Woods all the way around
0:30:15.399,0:30:19.960
them Creek bottoms and stuff like that
0:30:17.480,0:30:21.760
it's just perfect habitat for raccoon so
0:30:19.960,0:30:23.480
you know I might not be worth a darn at
0:30:21.760,0:30:26.120
it but I'm sure going to try it that's
0:30:23.480,0:30:27.360
for sure oh you'll you'll love it's
0:30:26.120,0:30:29.120
going to be one of those deals you know
0:30:27.360,0:30:31.039
when it's new when you first start doing
0:30:29.120,0:30:32.559
it and you start calling them in and
0:30:31.039,0:30:33.880
they're so aggressive even though it's
0:30:32.559,0:30:36.720
just a little
0:30:33.880,0:30:38.399
[ __ ] it's going to hook you to the point
0:30:36.720,0:30:40.399
that you're not gonna want a cow call
0:30:38.399,0:30:43.440
for a day or two you're G
0:30:40.399,0:30:47.559
you're get you know get the fun out of
0:30:43.440,0:30:50.720
it but uh yeah it's it's good stuff hard
0:30:47.559,0:30:53.279
to hard to beat K Callin well just for a
0:30:50.720,0:30:56.039
good time especially right well tell us
0:30:53.279,0:30:58.120
about decoys are are decoys important
0:30:56.039,0:31:00.159
for raccoon Colin and how effective can
0:30:58.120,0:31:03.200
they be I've seen videos where you know
0:31:00.159,0:31:05.320
they'll have uh decoys spinning while
0:31:03.200,0:31:07.960
they're doing it and you know it looks
0:31:05.320,0:31:10.440
like raccoons just PL tackle like
0:31:07.960,0:31:12.919
football tackle the call is it a good
0:31:10.440,0:31:15.360
idea to run a decoy will they deter them
0:31:12.919,0:31:17.799
any at all have you ever seen that I
0:31:15.360,0:31:20.039
hadn't ran many we done it some right
0:31:17.799,0:31:22.440
off the bat early
0:31:20.039,0:31:25.039
and I don't think as long as they don't
0:31:22.440,0:31:27.320
smell something they're usually going to
0:31:25.039,0:31:31.639
hit it and even without a decoy that
0:31:27.320,0:31:34.200
that sound is continuous they usually
0:31:31.639,0:31:36.679
run and they grab it I mean they'll grab
0:31:34.200,0:31:38.760
I've had I shot one this one hadn't come
0:31:36.679,0:31:41.320
out yet me and Dayton Dayton was filming
0:31:38.760,0:31:43.600
I was shooting shooting bows this [ __ ]
0:31:41.320,0:31:45.320
comes running in and I I usually when
0:31:43.600,0:31:47.960
I'm shooting them with bows I put the
0:31:45.320,0:31:50.120
call up off the ground and I had this
0:31:47.960,0:31:52.960
call hanging on a tree about it's about
0:31:50.120,0:31:54.360
head high you know 5 foot off the ground
0:31:52.960,0:31:56.080
or so six foot off the ground somewhere
0:31:54.360,0:31:57.760
in that neighborhood well this [ __ ]
0:31:56.080,0:31:59.320
comes in and as he has hesitates just
0:31:57.760,0:32:00.840
before he goes to jump on the tree I
0:31:59.320,0:32:03.559
shoot him shoot him right behind the
0:32:00.840,0:32:05.799
shoulders pass through him blood SPS out
0:32:03.559,0:32:07.240
of him that thing jumps and runs up the
0:32:05.799,0:32:08.880
tree and I think at the time I was I
0:32:07.240,0:32:10.720
can't remember if I had the x24 or if it
0:32:08.880,0:32:13.120
was a CS either way it's got the little
0:32:10.720,0:32:16.320
toggle switch on it that [ __ ] runs up
0:32:13.120,0:32:18.279
the tree with a hole right through him
0:32:16.320,0:32:20.320
runs up there and grabs that call and
0:32:18.279,0:32:23.760
turns it off he grabs a toggle switch
0:32:20.320,0:32:26.360
and turns the call off and then fall is
0:32:23.760,0:32:28.799
holding has a hold to the call when he
0:32:26.360,0:32:32.320
falls out on the ground oh my gosh under
0:32:28.799,0:32:34.519
the tree I it is some it is some I mean
0:32:32.320,0:32:36.120
you got to do it to believe some of the
0:32:34.519,0:32:38.679
some of the things they'll do with how
0:32:36.120,0:32:41.440
aggressive they are but they'll grab
0:32:38.679,0:32:44.440
that call run and hit it full blast just
0:32:41.440,0:32:46.120
like football hit it grab it but you
0:32:44.440,0:32:49.000
know how they're front feet are they
0:32:46.120,0:32:50.799
grab yeah so they'll grab and roll with
0:32:49.000,0:32:53.039
the call they'll have it now once they
0:32:50.799,0:32:55.279
hit it they usually that that's they
0:32:53.039,0:32:57.840
smell it as they hit it right and so
0:32:55.279,0:33:00.279
usually when they hit it they take off
0:32:57.840,0:33:01.679
so but you they're slow enough that you
0:33:00.279,0:33:03.960
know if you're shotgunning and stuff
0:33:01.679,0:33:06.600
like that or rifle it don't work that
0:33:03.960,0:33:09.200
good with a bow unless you like them
0:33:06.600,0:33:11.880
running shots but they'll hit it roll
0:33:09.200,0:33:13.639
the call and then take off and you can
0:33:11.880,0:33:15.559
you know you can wait and let that
0:33:13.639,0:33:19.120
happen if you want to see that action
0:33:15.559,0:33:21.000
and still kill them I gotta so it's but
0:33:19.120,0:33:24.159
a lot of them do that a lot of them will
0:33:21.000,0:33:25.880
run in there and they never let up
0:33:24.159,0:33:27.919
they're running as hard as they can run
0:33:25.880,0:33:29.279
when they and and hear them too they're
0:33:27.919,0:33:30.880
they're growling a lot of times while
0:33:29.279,0:33:36.120
they're running and they'll hit that
0:33:30.880,0:33:38.000
call roll it and you know that's it's
0:33:36.120,0:33:39.919
awesome it's a drenaline Rush even
0:33:38.000,0:33:41.200
though it's just a [ __ ] well let me ask
0:33:39.919,0:33:43.519
you this you're talking about you know
0:33:41.200,0:33:45.440
when they hit the call they smell it you
0:33:43.519,0:33:49.159
telling us about the importance of have
0:33:45.440,0:33:52.360
having the wind in your favor uh can can
0:33:49.159,0:33:54.840
a raccoon become C shy if you mess up on
0:33:52.360,0:33:57.039
them like if you let them smell you or
0:33:54.840,0:33:58.639
say you shoot and miss them or you you
0:33:57.039,0:34:00.120
know whatever let them come in hit the
0:33:58.639,0:34:01.639
call and they get out there without you
0:34:00.120,0:34:04.720
getting a shot at them is that is that
0:34:01.639,0:34:07.279
raccoon Now call shy I I think that they
0:34:04.720,0:34:09.240
probably do and the reason I say that is
0:34:07.279,0:34:11.200
because with some of the bow hunting
0:34:09.240,0:34:14.119
stuff in particular there have been
0:34:11.200,0:34:15.639
places where I've called there was one
0:34:14.119,0:34:17.720
particular spot that I remember from
0:34:15.639,0:34:20.040
this summer I went and I called up about
0:34:17.720,0:34:21.800
six Coons on the same stand and I killed
0:34:20.040,0:34:23.800
two of them Y and I called these other
0:34:21.800,0:34:25.960
ones back and forth back and forth there
0:34:23.800,0:34:28.040
a couple times and never could get
0:34:25.960,0:34:29.480
another one shot they were kind of you
0:34:28.040,0:34:31.320
know after I'd shot them other ones they
0:34:29.480,0:34:33.399
were coming still coming up but they
0:34:31.320,0:34:34.800
wasn't running right in there to me and
0:34:33.399,0:34:36.560
I kept messing with them kept messing
0:34:34.800,0:34:38.800
with them well there a week or so later
0:34:36.560,0:34:42.000
I said well I'll go right back there
0:34:38.800,0:34:44.639
and back up yep one of those Coons was
0:34:42.000,0:34:48.119
real white is there just a real distinct
0:34:44.639,0:34:49.560
color that came in well me and my wife
0:34:48.119,0:34:50.919
actually went back to this same spot I
0:34:49.560,0:34:53.119
said I know we'll call one right here
0:34:50.919,0:34:54.879
there at least four Coons that come
0:34:53.119,0:34:58.240
running in the last time that I didn't
0:34:54.879,0:35:00.280
kill so we set up up and started calling
0:34:58.240,0:35:01.920
and it took a little bit longer but
0:35:00.280,0:35:03.640
eventually that white looking cone here
0:35:01.920,0:35:06.520
it come from the same direction it came
0:35:03.640,0:35:09.440
before right but that time it ran in
0:35:06.520,0:35:11.599
about half as far before it ran in ran
0:35:09.440,0:35:13.720
over the call but that time it ran I was
0:35:11.599,0:35:16.520
playing a different sound but it ran in
0:35:13.720,0:35:18.960
and it's like it just watching its
0:35:16.520,0:35:22.440
reaction and the other ones never came
0:35:18.960,0:35:24.200
and I've had other scenarios where I've
0:35:22.440,0:35:25.560
called in Coons hadn't killed them went
0:35:24.200,0:35:28.079
back and sometimes you'll call another
0:35:25.560,0:35:29.960
one there but a lot of times you go back
0:35:28.079,0:35:32.240
and I know them cones are still you know
0:35:29.960,0:35:34.920
they're not traveling far and you don't
0:35:32.240,0:35:37.160
call them back up or they come in and
0:35:34.920,0:35:39.640
they start raring up you know they'll
0:35:37.160,0:35:42.599
get out there a little ways away from
0:35:39.640,0:35:44.359
the call and me trying to kill them with
0:35:42.599,0:35:46.000
a bow a lot of times you could kill them
0:35:44.359,0:35:47.839
you know if you shooting something else
0:35:46.000,0:35:49.839
but a lot of times with that bow I'm
0:35:47.839,0:35:51.880
trying to get them closer and so I get
0:35:49.839,0:35:55.280
to see what they're doing and they start
0:35:51.880,0:35:57.280
showing me some signs that all right
0:35:55.280,0:35:59.560
he's a little bit he's a little bit
0:35:57.280,0:36:02.240
suspicious of this this go around or
0:35:59.560,0:36:03.640
they don't show up at all and you may go
0:36:02.240,0:36:07.200
back and call that spot two or three
0:36:03.640,0:36:08.800
times and not call them up and I've had
0:36:07.200,0:36:11.640
areas
0:36:08.800,0:36:13.119
that are really good and the more you
0:36:11.640,0:36:15.200
call it and of course part of it you're
0:36:13.119,0:36:18.319
taking Coons out of there right it seems
0:36:15.200,0:36:20.319
to decrease your your callup success
0:36:18.319,0:36:24.160
seems to decrease if you keep on
0:36:20.319,0:36:24.160
hammering those same spots
0:36:24.640,0:36:30.319
so I hate to give a [ __ ] much credit but
0:36:28.040,0:36:32.960
I do think that they they pick up on it
0:36:30.319,0:36:35.240
a little bit just like I've seen some
0:36:32.960,0:36:37.040
Prett yeah of course and know I've seen
0:36:35.240,0:36:39.640
them do some pretty tricky stuff I've
0:36:37.040,0:36:41.720
watched some some trail camera videos
0:36:39.640,0:36:44.280
that's on like say deer feeders like
0:36:41.720,0:36:46.680
those Barrel style feeders and they they
0:36:44.280,0:36:48.839
get up there and like start unscrewing
0:36:46.680,0:36:50.240
Wing nuts and stuff like that flipping a
0:36:48.839,0:36:52.040
top off I mean they're pretty
0:36:50.240,0:36:54.240
intelligent animal so I can see where
0:36:52.040,0:36:57.000
they could become or you could educate
0:36:54.240,0:36:58.760
them yeah I think for the most part most
0:36:57.000,0:37:01.240
of the animals that we call and mess
0:36:58.760,0:37:03.319
with can be you
0:37:01.240,0:37:05.040
know I'm not going to say they get to
0:37:03.319,0:37:08.119
the point of like you know where you
0:37:05.040,0:37:11.800
can't go in there and kill them right
0:37:08.119,0:37:13.839
UNC callable right but I do think I do
0:37:11.800,0:37:15.680
think they get a little more instead of
0:37:13.839,0:37:17.680
running over running and running the
0:37:15.680,0:37:19.319
call cautious they're a little more
0:37:17.680,0:37:21.520
cautious especially if it's just been a
0:37:19.319,0:37:23.520
short period of time since you were in
0:37:21.520,0:37:26.200
there you know few days week something
0:37:23.520,0:37:28.760
like that but the good thing is there's
0:37:26.200,0:37:30.839
usually nor Coons you can you can find
0:37:28.760,0:37:32.480
some that hadn't Hur you right right
0:37:30.839,0:37:35.119
well like I said it seems like there
0:37:32.480,0:37:36.520
sure is plenty of them around here um
0:37:35.119,0:37:38.119
tell which we know you like shooting
0:37:36.520,0:37:41.319
them with you with your stick bow with
0:37:38.119,0:37:43.839
your Longbow but tell us about like your
0:37:41.319,0:37:46.839
preferences for like say I know you do a
0:37:43.839,0:37:49.720
lot with a shotgun is there any shotgun
0:37:46.839,0:37:52.160
gauge preference shot size choke tube
0:37:49.720,0:37:53.800
selection and that type stuff I mean how
0:37:52.160,0:37:55.839
how tough are they to kill do you need
0:37:53.800,0:37:56.880
to make sure you you're shooting a
0:37:55.839,0:37:59.760
certain thing to make make sure you're
0:37:56.880,0:38:01.680
rolling them up when we were
0:37:59.760,0:38:03.200
specifically targeting Coons and I
0:38:01.680,0:38:05.400
wasn't worried about something bigger
0:38:03.200,0:38:07.800
coming in like a code or you know
0:38:05.400,0:38:09.640
anything like that basically the same
0:38:07.800,0:38:11.720
stuff that you would you know your small
0:38:09.640,0:38:13.960
game loads like I probably wouldn't go
0:38:11.720,0:38:16.839
any smaller than like a seven and a half
0:38:13.960,0:38:18.599
yeah you know squirrel Dove load
0:38:16.839,0:38:21.359
whatever you want to call it but those
0:38:18.599,0:38:24.079
seven and a halfs seven and a half sixes
0:38:21.359,0:38:27.040
you know anything like that or
0:38:24.079,0:38:28.440
larger is gonna wear a [ __ ] out right of
0:38:27.040,0:38:30.800
course when I'm shooting them with a
0:38:28.440,0:38:32.440
shotgun this time of the year which I
0:38:30.800,0:38:34.680
rarely do it with a shotgun anymore I
0:38:32.440,0:38:37.079
almost always do it with the bow but you
0:38:34.680,0:38:40.960
know I'll I'll shoot him with that Apex
0:38:37.079,0:38:43.000
L right just just lay them out yeah but
0:38:40.960,0:38:45.319
it's you know somebody was gonna go k
0:38:43.000,0:38:46.800
and they wanted to make sure they got
0:38:45.319,0:38:51.079
them and they wanted
0:38:46.800,0:38:54.520
to you know use the most efficient from
0:38:51.079,0:38:57.839
a cost standpoint shooting lot uh just
0:38:54.520,0:39:01.079
any of those you know seven and a half
0:38:57.839,0:39:04.160
sixes anything in that range is fours
0:39:01.079,0:39:06.800
fives all of that stuff is going to just
0:39:04.160,0:39:11.000
smash a CO I know I've got a I've got a
0:39:06.800,0:39:12.079
big wad of 20 gauge shells some TSS
0:39:11.000,0:39:15.040
number
0:39:12.079,0:39:16.520
nines oh yeah I need to I need to shoot
0:39:15.040,0:39:18.880
them at something so I figured they'd be
0:39:16.520,0:39:21.280
pretty good in medicine for raccoon oh
0:39:18.880,0:39:24.720
yeah that TSS and the number nine that's
0:39:21.280,0:39:26.800
yeah that's yeah you can go lot smaller
0:39:24.720,0:39:30.079
shot size with that PSS and that's eat
0:39:26.800,0:39:33.319
him up I mean he ain't going to tell
0:39:30.079,0:39:35.040
that and then you know early on when we
0:39:33.319,0:39:37.880
were doing some of it specifically call
0:39:35.040,0:39:39.599
them we'd do it with 22 long rifle yeah
0:39:37.880,0:39:41.000
anything like that I mean you could
0:39:39.599,0:39:43.440
shoot them with a you all these people
0:39:41.000,0:39:48.079
want to shoot something with a 17
0:39:43.440,0:39:50.839
they there's there's your chance yeah
0:39:48.079,0:39:54.079
that's perfect for them but uh let me
0:39:50.839,0:39:56.640
ask you let me ask you really go ahead
0:39:54.079,0:39:59.880
go ahead no you go ahead teror I was
0:39:56.640,0:40:02.160
going to say anything from about 22 long
0:39:59.880,0:40:03.960
rifle on up You' be good on right
0:40:02.160,0:40:06.920
whatever you want to feel like packing
0:40:03.960,0:40:09.319
right right well that's that's pretty
0:40:06.920,0:40:12.599
you know I didn't know you know they are
0:40:09.319,0:40:14.680
they are a small animal but they're at
0:40:12.599,0:40:17.040
the same time for you know when you're
0:40:14.680,0:40:18.560
talking about squirrels and rabbits all
0:40:17.040,0:40:20.400
that stuff you know they're considerably
0:40:18.560,0:40:22.680
bigger than that I mean they weigh a few
0:40:20.400,0:40:24.760
pounds so and they're pretty tough
0:40:22.680,0:40:26.880
heighted Critters too you know i' I have
0:40:24.760,0:40:28.599
skinned some of them out uh you know
0:40:26.880,0:40:30.240
they got a pretty good little Pelt to
0:40:28.599,0:40:33.200
them so I didn't know if maybe some of
0:40:30.240,0:40:34.839
those bird shot sizes these light loads
0:40:33.200,0:40:36.920
might just pepper them when they run off
0:40:34.839,0:40:39.160
so you know it's it's good info I mean I
0:40:36.920,0:40:40.319
think it's a a good question to cover
0:40:39.160,0:40:41.680
because I definitely don't want to get
0:40:40.319,0:40:43.200
there and start peppering raccoons they
0:40:41.680,0:40:45.040
take off running and get all that big
0:40:43.200,0:40:47.960
excitement I was gonna have a pile of
0:40:45.040,0:40:51.319
raccoons to show off and and come out
0:40:47.960,0:40:52.640
empty-handed yeah and you know if there
0:40:51.319,0:40:55.640
when I'm talking about shooting them
0:40:52.640,0:40:56.960
with that I'm I'm talking about you know
0:40:55.640,0:40:59.319
them running into in there and you're
0:40:56.960,0:41:00.960
you're going to be shooting them you're
0:40:59.319,0:41:02.960
going to be shooting them at 10 yards or
0:41:00.960,0:41:04.720
less most of the time if you're setting
0:41:02.960,0:41:06.640
up that way right now if there if you
0:41:04.720,0:41:09.240
got Big Timber and big tall trees they
0:41:06.640,0:41:10.640
are tough I mean a cone is tough so you
0:41:09.240,0:41:13.160
know if you had
0:41:10.640,0:41:15.560
cones at a little farther distance right
0:41:13.160,0:41:17.119
up in the top of a tree or you know and
0:41:15.560,0:41:19.480
and some people you know you'll turn the
0:41:17.119,0:41:21.520
call on and it may be a den tree and
0:41:19.480,0:41:23.160
instead of them coming to the call
0:41:21.520,0:41:24.440
you'll see a [ __ ] run up the tree or if
0:41:23.160,0:41:26.000
you do it at night a lot of people will
0:41:24.440,0:41:28.760
go out and call at night and it'll make
0:41:26.000,0:41:30.640
the Coons all the coons in the area will
0:41:28.760,0:41:32.359
will look if they're around these fields
0:41:30.640,0:41:34.680
and you'll see people with big massive
0:41:32.359,0:41:36.440
piles of coons sometimes yeah that they
0:41:34.680,0:41:38.119
said they called in and a lot of times
0:41:36.440,0:41:39.760
they didn't necessarily call them in
0:41:38.119,0:41:43.119
they turned to call and this is really
0:41:39.760,0:41:45.760
effective for killing Co and you may
0:41:43.119,0:41:47.839
call some of them but at night you can
0:41:45.760,0:41:49.720
do these same tactics and do it around
0:41:47.839,0:41:52.079
the edge of fields or when the leaves
0:41:49.720,0:41:56.599
are off the trees you can turn that call
0:41:52.079,0:41:59.200
on and the coons in it basically Within
0:41:56.599,0:42:00.440
shining distance of wherever you're at
0:41:59.200,0:42:02.680
you can hit their eyes because they're
0:42:00.440,0:42:04.400
gonna be looking looking yeah and then
0:42:02.680,0:42:06.319
you can go shoot those cones out of the
0:42:04.400,0:42:07.920
trees if you know if you want to do that
0:42:06.319,0:42:09.839
I'm I'm wanting to call them up so I
0:42:07.920,0:42:11.440
don't ever do anything like that but I
0:42:09.839,0:42:13.160
ain't got nothing against it people that
0:42:11.440,0:42:15.400
are just wanting to pin out Con on their
0:42:13.160,0:42:17.720
property they can get that eye shine
0:42:15.400,0:42:19.359
like that and go make them a pile of
0:42:17.720,0:42:22.079
however many con they want to stay out
0:42:19.359,0:42:25.079
and kill them well you know I'm the I'm
0:42:22.079,0:42:27.200
a I'm a caller you know I'm a I I've
0:42:25.079,0:42:29.040
always considered myself a a ky caller
0:42:27.200,0:42:30.760
Predator caller so that's that's what
0:42:29.040,0:42:32.520
I'm want I'm want to see them come in
0:42:30.760,0:42:34.079
there and tackle that thing you know I'm
0:42:32.520,0:42:36.079
want to I'm want to have the back of my
0:42:34.079,0:42:38.000
mind where the closest place me go get
0:42:36.079,0:42:40.119
rabies shot you know that's how close I
0:42:38.000,0:42:44.440
want them that's what I want to
0:42:40.119,0:42:46.839
do oh you could if you know let's just
0:42:44.440,0:42:50.720
say we joined up and we're gonna do some
0:42:46.839,0:42:52.839
[ __ ] calling with the filming side of it
0:42:50.720,0:42:55.720
oh man there are some ideas and usually
0:42:52.839,0:42:58.040
I'm by myself so or even if I'm with
0:42:55.720,0:43:01.400
somebody it's don't necessarily have a
0:42:58.040,0:43:03.240
dead you know a lot of times are they're
0:43:01.400,0:43:04.520
usually the camera is not the first
0:43:03.240,0:43:06.800
thought for whoever you hunting with
0:43:04.520,0:43:09.480
they're just want to kill so but man we
0:43:06.800,0:43:11.640
could film some crazy stuff I mean it
0:43:09.480,0:43:14.800
would be if you were dedicated to that
0:43:11.640,0:43:17.160
side of it first and then killing the G
0:43:14.800,0:43:19.680
you could get some crazy I've got some
0:43:17.160,0:43:23.559
pretty crazy footage with this bow stuff
0:43:19.680,0:43:26.640
just filming myself it sounds like it
0:43:23.559,0:43:30.079
but you could don't don't temp me with a
0:43:26.640,0:43:31.960
good time you know I'll travel so I
0:43:30.079,0:43:34.319
don't think I won't do it over
0:43:31.960,0:43:36.440
raccoon we really should next summer
0:43:34.319,0:43:38.839
when it gets good we really should do
0:43:36.440,0:43:42.160
that just to just to get some of that
0:43:38.839,0:43:43.520
unique footage that would require
0:43:42.160,0:43:46.800
definitely
0:43:43.520,0:43:48.480
up but uh yeah but what I was saying
0:43:46.800,0:43:49.920
while ago on the night deal if if people
0:43:48.480,0:43:53.280
were doing that they might would want to
0:43:49.920,0:43:55.839
up you know to like some of
0:43:53.280,0:43:58.000
those stuff like that or some fours or
0:43:55.839,0:43:59.920
five that's going to be more ideal for
0:43:58.000,0:44:01.880
those you know shooting in the top of
0:43:59.920,0:44:03.440
Big Timber and making sure you get him
0:44:01.880,0:44:05.119
in one shot not have to shooting two or
0:44:03.440,0:44:08.599
three times right but if you're calling
0:44:05.119,0:44:11.559
them in tight them seven and a Hales and
0:44:08.599,0:44:13.960
larger is Gonna Roll him up right right
0:44:11.559,0:44:16.559
well have you ever uh you ain't never
0:44:13.960,0:44:18.280
exploded a call on accident have you one
0:44:16.559,0:44:20.599
get up on top of the call and you shoot
0:44:18.280,0:44:24.880
shotgun shoot the call and and raccoon
0:44:20.599,0:44:27.559
and all I I haven't yet but it's I could
0:44:24.880,0:44:29.400
see it have
0:44:27.559,0:44:31.200
know there have been times actually just
0:44:29.400,0:44:34.599
here recently with a couple of different
0:44:31.200,0:44:38.000
cows that came in where I had to
0:44:34.599,0:44:40.839
hesitate for a second before I shot
0:44:38.000,0:44:42.760
because yeah with that shotgun you know
0:44:40.839,0:44:45.480
thinking I was gonna shoot my call in
0:44:42.760,0:44:49.000
the process so but yeah you could easily
0:44:45.480,0:44:51.240
do it with the uh with the [ __ ] because
0:44:49.000,0:44:52.440
they're G to grab it most of the time if
0:44:51.240,0:44:54.520
you let them you know if you let them
0:44:52.440,0:44:56.119
get that close that's pretty awesome hey
0:44:54.520,0:44:58.559
I got another question for you and I I
0:44:56.119,0:45:00.559
already know the answer to this but what
0:44:58.559,0:45:02.520
if a Kyle comes charging in while you're
0:45:00.559,0:45:05.359
calling for RAC Coons what's Tory cook
0:45:02.520,0:45:08.839
done you know I'm I'm after that Coy
0:45:05.359,0:45:10.839
first that is you know we'll call him
0:45:08.839,0:45:14.280
back up or get him another day and and
0:45:10.839,0:45:16.960
you have that happen some yeah um I had
0:45:14.280,0:45:19.280
to I had to couple two different times
0:45:16.960,0:45:20.920
on the same afternoon on backtack stands
0:45:19.280,0:45:22.160
could have even been the same coat
0:45:20.920,0:45:23.960
because like I said I was only moving
0:45:22.160,0:45:27.200
about 300 yards I was hunting on the
0:45:23.960,0:45:29.319
river [ __ ] calling a [ __ ] comes running
0:45:27.200,0:45:31.599
in right off the bat jumps up on a Vine
0:45:29.319,0:45:33.240
I shoot that thing I keep calling no
0:45:31.599,0:45:35.480
sooner than I get another air not here
0:45:33.240,0:45:38.079
comes a coat from opposite direction
0:45:35.480,0:45:39.920
comes in there and I got Drew back on it
0:45:38.079,0:45:41.480
I got Drew on it but I did not get a
0:45:39.920,0:45:44.880
shot
0:45:41.480,0:45:46.599
a I think it was the co never smelled me
0:45:44.880,0:45:48.880
right there he just he got in pretty
0:45:46.599,0:45:50.559
tight about 15 yards from the call yeah
0:45:48.880,0:45:52.800
and ended up kind of Beering and going
0:45:50.559,0:45:55.200
back but he never got my wind well I
0:45:52.800,0:45:57.359
moved on down the river about 300 yards
0:45:55.200,0:45:59.960
or so and started calling and I had a
0:45:57.359,0:46:02.000
coat come running I mean he run right by
0:45:59.960,0:46:03.160
me from behind me I bet it was the same
0:46:02.000,0:46:06.040
coat
0:46:03.160,0:46:07.079
y course when he did he smell me but so
0:46:06.040,0:46:09.480
I didn't get a
0:46:07.079,0:46:12.079
shot that would be awesome to get a
0:46:09.480,0:46:14.640
raccoon Coy double with your
0:46:12.079,0:46:16.160
Longbow oh yeah and I did I ended up
0:46:14.640,0:46:18.359
killing one with my long bow but I
0:46:16.160,0:46:20.160
wasn't you know I was I was specifically
0:46:18.359,0:46:22.040
I was trying to kill a cat with that
0:46:20.160,0:46:25.520
long bow and right it took a few
0:46:22.040,0:46:28.079
attempts I finally got one and then I I
0:46:25.520,0:46:31.040
hung back up and went went back to the
0:46:28.079,0:46:33.920
shotgun these last few weeks but but you
0:46:31.040,0:46:36.200
know when we was talking about uh you
0:46:33.920,0:46:38.680
know shotgun gauge
0:46:36.200,0:46:41.480
size what shot to be shooting all that
0:46:38.680,0:46:43.359
type of stuff you know that kind of goes
0:46:41.480,0:46:45.359
with you know if there is a possibility
0:46:43.359,0:46:46.760
of calling coyotes you know coyotes in
0:46:45.359,0:46:49.359
at the same time you probably need to
0:46:46.760,0:46:51.000
make sure you're shooting enough gun
0:46:49.359,0:46:52.480
yeah if a coyot comes there if you're
0:46:51.000,0:46:55.359
wanting to get it that it that you're
0:46:52.480,0:46:57.000
driving it in the dirt as well yeah yeah
0:46:55.359,0:46:59.000
if you
0:46:57.000,0:47:02.599
for example when we're doing and we do
0:46:59.000,0:47:04.520
this a lot when we make a coow stand a
0:47:02.599,0:47:07.839
lot of times I will end with [ __ ]
0:47:04.520,0:47:11.559
distress but you you call in so many Cs
0:47:07.839,0:47:13.440
on [ __ ] sounds that even though I pretty
0:47:11.559,0:47:14.839
much ran my coow stand I don't think a
0:47:13.440,0:47:16.400
cow's gonna show up and we'll swap over
0:47:14.839,0:47:18.880
to [ __ ] just to try to get something on
0:47:16.400,0:47:21.800
the stand yeah but I'm keeping them you
0:47:18.880,0:47:25.800
know if it's if I think a Cy might show
0:47:21.800,0:47:28.400
up I'm gonna have those Apex twos two
0:47:25.800,0:47:31.400
fours or if I'm shooting lead I'm
0:47:28.400,0:47:35.319
goingon to have some number four Buck
0:47:31.400,0:47:38.200
or in there yep yeah y yeah have you
0:47:35.319,0:47:40.079
ever uh have you ever called in any
0:47:38.200,0:47:42.240
other Predators while calling for rat
0:47:40.079,0:47:44.200
con besides for RAC con and cow you ever
0:47:42.240,0:47:47.520
called up Bobcats or fox or anything
0:47:44.200,0:47:49.960
like that or bear or whatever yeah I've
0:47:47.520,0:47:51.680
called in gray fox a handful of times
0:47:49.960,0:47:53.680
that's what you know talking about that
0:47:51.680,0:47:56.280
earlier sometimes for whatever reason
0:47:53.680,0:47:57.599
their voice being similar I think
0:47:56.280,0:47:59.880
maybe they get confused because you'll
0:47:57.599,0:48:02.119
have [ __ ] show up on Gray Fox
0:47:59.880,0:48:05.319
occasionally and have gray fox show up
0:48:02.119,0:48:08.160
on [ __ ] so right uh and
0:48:05.319,0:48:10.480
then I've always said one of the one of
0:48:08.160,0:48:14.079
the top sounds as far as overlooked
0:48:10.480,0:48:15.880
sounds are [ __ ] distress not only for
0:48:14.079,0:48:18.079
not only [ __ ] distress but [ __ ] distress
0:48:15.880,0:48:21.680
and Grox maybe because they do sound
0:48:18.079,0:48:23.920
similar right but for Co and cats and I
0:48:21.680,0:48:25.040
think I've told you told you maybe in I
0:48:23.920,0:48:29.160
can't remember if we've talked about it
0:48:25.040,0:48:31.319
on podcast I think talking but one of
0:48:29.160,0:48:34.680
the best mornings I guess it was the
0:48:31.319,0:48:36.440
best morning that I've ever had on bcats
0:48:34.680,0:48:39.480
um in care one they were calling just
0:48:36.440,0:48:41.720
right here around my house and if I
0:48:39.480,0:48:43.680
ain't mistaken we called up six cats and
0:48:41.720,0:48:47.720
all but one of them on [ __ ] distress but
0:48:43.680,0:48:49.720
I've called a bunch of bobcats on [ __ ]
0:48:47.720,0:48:52.200
distress and one of those cats that we
0:48:49.720,0:48:54.040
killed that morning was a big one yeah
0:48:52.200,0:48:56.319
just an exceptionally big cat and I
0:48:54.040,0:48:58.319
think I've told you this story too I was
0:48:56.319,0:49:00.240
going I used to do the taxy stuff all
0:48:58.319,0:49:03.839
the time so I was going to tan that
0:49:00.240,0:49:05.520
cat's skin make a flat skin out I did my
0:49:03.839,0:49:08.319
wife's got it Laying across a little
0:49:05.520,0:49:10.000
coffee table thing but I skin that thing
0:49:08.319,0:49:12.680
out and it just had this gigantic I
0:49:10.000,0:49:14.559
noticed it when we killed it it belly
0:49:12.680,0:49:17.160
was just slam
0:49:14.559,0:49:19.960
full and when I got it and got it skin
0:49:17.160,0:49:22.760
out I I'm G see what that thing's got in
0:49:19.960,0:49:25.680
its belly so I slid it open there and it
0:49:22.760,0:49:29.680
was [ __ ] that's what was in there pieces
0:49:25.680,0:49:31.359
a whole [ __ ] is what was in that cat and
0:49:29.680,0:49:33.880
uh and and is that what you called it
0:49:31.359,0:49:36.440
called it too ain't that something yeah
0:49:33.880,0:49:39.440
cone distress yeah we called
0:49:36.440,0:49:41.240
in I think if I remember right we called
0:49:39.440,0:49:43.000
in six cats that morning I know we
0:49:41.240,0:49:46.079
killed one of them on
0:49:43.000,0:49:48.040
rabbit diaphragm and all the rest of the
0:49:46.079,0:49:50.000
coons we called either five or six
0:49:48.040,0:49:53.160
whatever it was all the rest of them
0:49:50.000,0:49:55.559
came on Co distress young it was it was
0:49:53.160,0:49:57.520
we were running mfk young Co distress
0:49:55.559,0:50:01.040
then Fox proos got an mfk young [ __ ]
0:49:57.520,0:50:04.040
distress for calling Coons I actually
0:50:01.040,0:50:06.880
like Fox proos mfk young [ __ ]
0:50:04.040,0:50:08.240
distress better than mfk young [ __ ]
0:50:06.880,0:50:11.240
distress when you're talking about those
0:50:08.240,0:50:14.680
same two titled sounds right but for the
0:50:11.240,0:50:17.160
for the cats and coats mfk young [ __ ]
0:50:14.680,0:50:19.240
distress is a really good [ __ ] sound for
0:50:17.160,0:50:21.280
calling those other Predators right for
0:50:19.240,0:50:25.240
whatever reason and it'll call Coons too
0:50:21.280,0:50:26.839
but you know it's definitely hey get
0:50:25.240,0:50:28.200
some pressured areas and you think you
0:50:26.839,0:50:30.920
need to try some kind of different
0:50:28.200,0:50:33.240
sounds you talking about coyotes or or
0:50:30.920,0:50:34.720
uh you know Bobcats or whatever he
0:50:33.240,0:50:37.079
sounds like don't be scared to play
0:50:34.720,0:50:38.079
raccoon sounds especially those younger
0:50:37.079,0:50:40.799
distress
0:50:38.079,0:50:42.559
sounds I tell people in messages all the
0:50:40.799,0:50:44.680
time they you know they're asking me
0:50:42.559,0:50:46.880
about distress sounds and you and I've
0:50:44.680,0:50:48.880
talked about this before this time of
0:50:46.880,0:50:50.960
the year you know I think both of us
0:50:48.880,0:50:53.680
pretty much SA or rabbits and birds and
0:50:50.960,0:50:55.839
all your your more yep I guess your
0:50:53.680,0:50:58.520
popular prey distress signs we we save
0:50:55.839,0:51:00.680
them for fall winter calling usually but
0:50:58.520,0:51:02.680
during the summertime if I don't run
0:51:00.680,0:51:05.440
fond dist stress I usually run [ __ ] dist
0:51:02.680,0:51:07.960
stress those are about the only two pray
0:51:05.440,0:51:10.160
distress sounds that I run during those
0:51:07.960,0:51:12.240
spring summer months and have good
0:51:10.160,0:51:15.520
callup success on both of
0:51:12.240,0:51:19.720
them it's good
0:51:15.520,0:51:22.760
stuff yeah this has been a very very
0:51:19.720,0:51:24.760
interesting podcast for me I've U I've
0:51:22.760,0:51:27.079
actually got me a little y'all heard me
0:51:24.760,0:51:30.359
say this I need podcast before but I
0:51:27.079,0:51:32.359
literally I have a ink pen in my hand
0:51:30.359,0:51:35.839
and I've got this little I do this
0:51:32.359,0:51:37.880
podcast at a reloading bench so I got
0:51:35.839,0:51:40.200
this little it's actually it's a piece
0:51:37.880,0:51:42.960
of paper went with a die set I've wrote
0:51:40.200,0:51:45.960
all over it writing down
0:51:42.960,0:51:49.119
notes about for from this podcast
0:51:45.960,0:51:50.960
because I listen I'm going I'm going
0:51:49.119,0:51:53.160
hopefully I could call RAC cones it
0:51:50.960,0:51:55.480
might be a slowo for me you know it's
0:51:53.160,0:51:57.520
going to be brand new experience for me
0:51:55.480,0:51:59.119
uh but I'm definitely going to be taking
0:51:57.520,0:52:00.839
what I learned off this podcast and
0:51:59.119,0:52:03.000
trying to apply it in the field see if I
0:52:00.839,0:52:04.760
can't uh you know hey I'm going to take
0:52:03.000,0:52:06.280
the camera too I think this is awesome
0:52:04.760,0:52:07.880
I've already got you know we just I've
0:52:06.280,0:52:09.359
got ideas in my head is like you said
0:52:07.880,0:52:13.480
man I think we can get some really cool
0:52:09.359,0:52:15.839
stuff i' I've got some ideas so it's no
0:52:13.480,0:52:17.880
doubt and one other thing one really
0:52:15.839,0:52:20.760
really good tip especially for people
0:52:17.880,0:52:23.400
that are about to start doing it or
0:52:20.760,0:52:25.520
trying it for the first time and this
0:52:23.400,0:52:28.119
this still applies to me when I first
0:52:25.520,0:52:29.960
started going this summer the first
0:52:28.119,0:52:32.079
three or four trips that I made and they
0:52:29.960,0:52:33.839
were spaced out about a week or so apart
0:52:32.079,0:52:36.040
I knew it was getting about time that
0:52:33.839,0:52:38.160
they should start calling but those
0:52:36.040,0:52:39.760
first three or four trips that I made I
0:52:38.160,0:52:41.559
I think the first time I went I called a
0:52:39.760,0:52:43.680
[ __ ] on the very first stand and I said
0:52:41.559,0:52:45.400
man this is just to be good I'm timing
0:52:43.680,0:52:47.839
it just right well I didn't call another
0:52:45.400,0:52:49.880
[ __ ] the rest of the day and I made six
0:52:47.839,0:52:52.119
of8 stands before I decided Well they
0:52:49.880,0:52:54.160
ain't calling yet so I waited a few days
0:52:52.119,0:52:56.160
about a week probably and I went and hit
0:52:54.160,0:52:59.079
them again in a different spot I didn't
0:52:56.160,0:53:01.280
call a [ __ ] nothing I waited about a
0:52:59.079,0:53:04.280
week and I think I called one [ __ ] on
0:53:01.280,0:53:07.599
the third stand that day only [ __ ] I
0:53:04.280,0:53:09.319
called the fourth go around still no
0:53:07.599,0:53:10.760
good I don't think I called a [ __ ] but
0:53:09.319,0:53:14.119
and I waited about a week so there's
0:53:10.760,0:53:17.000
about a month time frame there and the
0:53:14.119,0:53:19.240
next time I went I hammered them and
0:53:17.000,0:53:21.319
from that point on it stayed pretty
0:53:19.240,0:53:25.040
steady all the way up to now I went just
0:53:21.319,0:53:28.040
the other day and wore them out so then
0:53:25.040,0:53:29.680
that happens throughout the year once
0:53:28.040,0:53:32.440
it's just like the coow deal you get
0:53:29.680,0:53:34.559
into that family bust up time frame you
0:53:32.440,0:53:36.640
know things will taper off there for a
0:53:34.559,0:53:39.559
period usually you'll get I've had good
0:53:36.640,0:53:42.000
really good [ __ ] calling through till
0:53:39.559,0:53:44.520
around I remember one because it was
0:53:42.000,0:53:46.079
Halloween had a really good day [ __ ]
0:53:44.520,0:53:48.240
calling on Halloween so I think you
0:53:46.079,0:53:51.079
still got you know a time frame right
0:53:48.240,0:53:53.599
there but the point is if you go and you
0:53:51.079,0:53:56.480
don't have any luck just give them a few
0:53:53.599,0:53:58.359
days a week or don't give up on them
0:53:56.480,0:54:01.240
don't think it's because what you were
0:53:58.359,0:54:03.480
doing doesn't work they just weren't
0:54:01.240,0:54:05.680
calling that day or they're not you know
0:54:03.480,0:54:07.839
fired up or whatever you wait and come
0:54:05.680,0:54:09.760
hit them again make five or six stands
0:54:07.839,0:54:12.440
and I guarantee you if you keep checking
0:54:09.760,0:54:15.720
them you'll you'll hit on them and wear
0:54:12.440,0:54:20.520
them out it's and once you do that a
0:54:15.720,0:54:23.799
little bit it's you know you'll find
0:54:20.520,0:54:26.680
those times where it's hot and you can
0:54:23.799,0:54:28.359
go for day after day day after day and
0:54:26.680,0:54:29.960
kill as many co until you just get tired
0:54:28.359,0:54:32.440
of killing them love it till you run out
0:54:29.960,0:54:36.240
of shells run out of
0:54:32.440,0:54:37.720
arrows yeah but I've had people get real
0:54:36.240,0:54:39.559
real discouraged with it because they'll
0:54:37.720,0:54:42.799
watch a video and I may have filmed that
0:54:39.559,0:54:45.599
hunt you know last month and they're not
0:54:42.799,0:54:47.559
watching that hunt until maybe November
0:54:45.599,0:54:49.400
right and they go TR and they're in a
0:54:47.559,0:54:50.720
different state in a different area and
0:54:49.400,0:54:52.319
they go out and they try and they don't
0:54:50.720,0:54:54.200
have any luck they'll send me a message
0:54:52.319,0:54:56.000
they like man what am I doing wrong and
0:54:54.200,0:54:57.799
they'll tell me and they're not doing
0:54:56.000,0:55:00.720
anything wrong the coons just weren't
0:54:57.799,0:55:03.920
calling right then and just wait try it
0:55:00.720,0:55:05.799
again a different day and sometimes you
0:55:03.920,0:55:07.880
need to wait you know like I said I went
0:55:05.799,0:55:10.119
for a month there hitting them about
0:55:07.880,0:55:12.119
every week and I only called in two
0:55:10.119,0:55:13.720
Coons during that time frame right and
0:55:12.119,0:55:15.200
then all of a sudden it's light switch
0:55:13.720,0:55:17.760
and they're calling and I think what the
0:55:15.200,0:55:19.760
deal was is most of the I was just a
0:55:17.760,0:55:21.680
little bit early most of those Co
0:55:19.760,0:55:24.039
because like I said that this time of
0:55:21.680,0:55:27.240
the year you're calling well earlier
0:55:24.039,0:55:28.559
summer you're calling most salons byel
0:55:27.240,0:55:29.839
this time of the year you start calling
0:55:28.559,0:55:31.640
some of those family groups because
0:55:29.839,0:55:34.119
those kittens are a little bit bigger
0:55:31.640,0:55:35.720
right but just like with gos when
0:55:34.119,0:55:37.480
they've got pups in the ground in the
0:55:35.720,0:55:38.760
hole they can be pretty hard to call
0:55:37.480,0:55:40.559
especially if you're not right you're on
0:55:38.760,0:55:42.880
top of them right while those pups you
0:55:40.559,0:55:45.039
still a little same thing with the coons
0:55:42.880,0:55:47.319
and I'm I know that's what I was running
0:55:45.039,0:55:49.440
into those [ __ ] kittens were still in
0:55:47.319,0:55:52.200
the tree still in the den they're not
0:55:49.440,0:55:54.160
active yet at Salon which is about the
0:55:52.200,0:55:55.920
only thing you're calling that time of
0:55:54.160,0:55:57.720
the year this time the year here they're
0:55:55.920,0:55:59.280
staying right there with them I wasn't
0:55:57.720,0:56:01.359
close enough that's why I didn't call
0:55:59.280,0:56:03.559
them any Coons the two that I did call
0:56:01.359,0:56:05.839
up they were there soon as I turned the
0:56:03.559,0:56:09.119
call on I just right on top of them
0:56:05.839,0:56:11.760
right on top of them and then you know
0:56:09.119,0:56:13.720
you give it a month's time frame I
0:56:11.760,0:56:15.160
started you know a little bit more age
0:56:13.720,0:56:17.880
on those kittens they're getting out of
0:56:15.160,0:56:19.520
the hole and all of a sudden light
0:56:17.880,0:56:21.160
switch here they come you know I start
0:56:19.520,0:56:24.039
cutting then it just progressed from
0:56:21.160,0:56:25.920
there to where you know anybody that's
0:56:24.039,0:56:28.000
seen any of the pict of the videos that
0:56:25.920,0:56:30.480
I posted on Facebook and stuff like that
0:56:28.000,0:56:33.240
I mean they have a dozen Coons that I
0:56:30.480,0:56:34.559
kill in two three hours right a long you
0:56:33.240,0:56:37.039
know
0:56:34.559,0:56:38.960
shoot that just goes to show you how
0:56:37.039,0:56:40.440
many you know what the possibilities are
0:56:38.960,0:56:42.200
because if I call in three or four Coons
0:56:40.440,0:56:45.359
I mainly get one or two of them if I'm
0:56:42.200,0:56:48.240
lucky with that bow right right shotgun
0:56:45.359,0:56:51.520
you want to make a pile make sure you to
0:56:48.240,0:56:53.440
plenty of sh I love I can't wait to try
0:56:51.520,0:56:55.440
it and and I appreciate you coming on
0:56:53.440,0:56:56.760
doing this podcast with with this story
0:56:55.440,0:56:58.599
you know when I thought about doing one
0:56:56.760,0:57:00.720
on raccoon col you the first person I
0:56:58.599,0:57:03.039
thought of uh you know I watch you
0:57:00.720,0:57:05.039
videos with the raccoon col i' I've
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found it intriguing for years why I have
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never just went and said I'm doing it I
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don't know but I'm definitely doing it
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this fall um you got anything you'd like
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to leave us with Tor oh just as usual
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appreciate everybody everybody that's
0:57:15.920,0:57:18.799
listening to the podcast and uses their
0:57:17.799,0:57:22.039
stuff
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and fun as always hope y'all have some
0:57:22.039,0:57:25.880
good luck with it yes sir and and you
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got are probably going to be like me
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some of these sounds we we discussed
0:57:27.720,0:57:31.680
here you might not have on your Fox Pro
0:57:30.480,0:57:33.079
I actually don't have some of these on
0:57:31.680,0:57:36.119
my fox Pro so I'm going to have to get
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online and and get these added so uh you
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know if you're needing some raccoon
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sounds gofoxpro.com and mfk game
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calls.com go check them out get all the
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sounds you need we hope everyone enjoyed
0:57:45.319,0:57:51.359
this episode we hope you join us again
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right here on the Foxpro podcast