The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 37: Bobcat Calling - Tips, Tricks, and Myths

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Corey Groff discuss what it takes to be successful at calling bobcats.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls hello

 

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everyone I'm John Collins welcome back

 

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to the fox Pro podcast Bobcat season is

 

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in across the country and that's what

 

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we're discussing on this episode we've

 

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got Mr Corey grath joining us again

 

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how's it going Corey you doing all right

 

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oh I'm doing pretty pretty good John how

 

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about yourself oh doing doing pretty

 

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good uh it it you think you telling me a

 

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bit a little bit ago that the wind is

 

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sure rocking in the show me state sounds

 

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like yeah it's actually not too bad

 

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today I'm I'm I've been out in the field

 

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doing a little bit of scouting and uh

 

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you know we scheduled this thing and I

 

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thought well I'll just stay out here in

 

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the field while I'm talking to you so if

 

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we hear a little bit of wind that's

 

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that's where I'm at but uh it's actually

 

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not too bad but man we have had a lot of

 

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windy days here the last you know month

 

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or so it's just been kind of annoying

 

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some right well you said you out doing

 

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some scouting what you Scouting For well

 

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I'm Scouting For Bobcats

 

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John per perfect perfect you know that's

 

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definitely one of the things that uh you

 

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know looking on Facebook and all that

 

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type stuff you know I've been seeing

 

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several questions pop up on social media

 

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and and some of our videos on YouTube

 

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and stuff like that about bobcats and

 

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usually what they're asking about is

 

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sounds for

 

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Bobcats and um on top of that we film

 

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some cats come to the fox Pro here

 

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lately and whenever I post anything

 

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about related to Bob catch usually my

 

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inbox really blows up and there's

 

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there's everybody's always asking about

 

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sounds and there's always the thing is

 

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there's more to calling Bobcats and just

 

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the sounds that use you know there's

 

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there's a lot of stuff that leads up to

 

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that and that's definitely some stuff I

 

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want to talk about um we will talk about

 

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I've I've already tagged a couple

 

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Bobcats this season uh Corey has punched

 

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a hole in one really nice bobcat and I

 

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think he's had a chance at another so

 

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we're going to talk about all those

 

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stands and what what we did that make

 

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those stands successful but I also want

 

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to cover a few things that I think are

 

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sometimes overlooked when it comes to

 

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Colin bob cat just like what you're

 

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doing right now uh Cory out there

 

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scouting if um you know since we're

 

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already on that subject tell us tell us

 

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what you're kind of looking for what

 

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when you're Scouting For Bobcats what

 

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are you actually doing I know you're

 

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looking for spots to to kill a bobcat

 

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but what and what do you do uh where

 

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you're actually Scouting For Bobcats

 

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what you call Scouting For Bobcats well

 

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what I call Scouting For Bobcats is

 

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there's two main things I'm looking for

 

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number one is scat because if they're

 

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putting scat on the

 

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ground chances are that cat's telling me

 

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that he's living right there pretty

 

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close most of the time when they get up

 

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out of their bed that's one of the first

 

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things they're going to do they're going

 

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to they're going to get out of their bed

 

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bed stretch out stroll down a you know a

 

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cattle path somewhere and find their

 

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their marking territory and they're and

 

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they're going to lay some scat down

 

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right so that number one that's the

 

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first thing I look for when I'm looking

 

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for a cat stand right

 

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and generally you find cat stand or cat

 

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scat in that area you're that cat's

 

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right there he's living right there uh

 

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track tracks can be deceiving cuz a cat

 

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at night you know will cover they they

 

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really do cover some ground a lot of

 

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people don't think that they do a big

 

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pal Will Will Travel quite a ways you

 

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know at night and uh you know in the

 

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daytime of course they don't move that

 

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much but uh so that's the number one

 

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thing I'm looking for in that cat stand

 

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the problem with in my area here this

 

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year this this fall and winter John

 

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we've been so stinking dry we're we're

 

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in a pretty bad

 

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drought but it's it that can work to

 

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your advantage too with with water

 

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source right that's another thing I'm

 

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looking for because a cat just they love

 

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to be around water so I've been looking

 

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at Farm ponds uh Springs running out of

 

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the ground little little creek arms um

 

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so those are the things that I put

 

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together first off in the cat right well

 

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you know talking about the scouting all

 

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states are different you know it's same

 

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thing for Bobcats and coyotes you know

 

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some states some areas have more Bobcats

 

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than others it's like here in my home

 

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state of Kentucky we do have cats and

 

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the area that I live in is probably one

 

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of the better Bobcat calling areas

 

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because we probably got more cats than

 

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than other parts of the state especially

 

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like if you were talking about the

 

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western part of the state and probably

 

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the northern part of the state it's just

 

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because we got the better habitat for it

 

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but still here in Kentucky no matter

 

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where you're at we we've got a season of

 

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course we Most states do uh but we've

 

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got a a limited quota or limited bag

 

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limit uh each Hunter is only allowed to

 

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take three bobcats in the state of

 

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Kentucky and in your state of Missouri

 

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where you live it's is it unlimited or

 

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how many cats are you out Missouri yeah

 

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we're we're unlimited I mean we could we

 

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can shoot as many as we want trrap as

 

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many as we want uh so we're we're pretty

 

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fortunate when it comes to that you know

 

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that part uh you know and I understand

 

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why those other states do that you know

 

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uh Bobcats were one time on an

 

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endangered species list and and I think

 

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in some areas they still are and that's

 

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why you know our dnrs and our

 

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conservation agencies and stuff ask us

 

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to tag those cats right right well that

 

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just that just goes to show you too if

 

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one state has a bag limit I think like

 

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PA has a bag limit of one Kentucky has a

 

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bag limit of three then you start

 

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talking about States like you know

 

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Missouri unlimited um Texas you know

 

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Texas unlimited so you know there's

 

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definitely different populations in

 

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different states so some people might be

 

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listening like good G Bobcats are

 

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everywhere what do you mean why you got

 

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Scout just go out start calling you're

 

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gonna call them up well you might do

 

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that in South Texas but that don't mean

 

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you going to do it in you know Tennessee

 

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or you know or wherever you know just

 

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pull any state out them so some places

 

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scouting can really really pay off even

 

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in those states where you do have a

 

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higher population scouting can still pay

 

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off for you you know you can know that

 

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you know one thing about scouting if you

 

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do find sign you do find where cats have

 

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been you know you've got a cat to call

 

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to right I mean it's just just simple

 

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fact so scouting is I'm glad you brought

 

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that up to you when I first talk called

 

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you I thought you was out there Scout

 

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for Co so that's pretty good that you

 

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Scout for bobcast it ties right in with

 

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what we're talking about so that's

 

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that's pretty good U you know and that's

 

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one thing you know I mentioned that I

 

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want to cover a few things that leading

 

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up to sounds and sequences you know

 

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you're there's just so many other things

 

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that's important you know your stand

 

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selection and stand setup in my opinion

 

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are crucial for being consistently

 

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successful on calling Bob gats you know

 

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like I said everybody wants to know

 

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about the sounds and sequences but if

 

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you're not setting up correctly it's

 

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it's not going to matter much what sound

 

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you're playing because if you're not

 

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calling to a cat you can't call a bobcat

 

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up right no that's exactly right and it

 

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and that works for coyotes too I you

 

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know I try to tell a lot of guys you

 

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know everybody wants to to think there's

 

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that secret sound that you know guys

 

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like you and and Al Morris are using you

 

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know when you see pictures of five or

 

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six CS laying on the tailgate of a

 

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pickup and really you know you guys and

 

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me included you know we got to work at

 

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the setup first those are the

 

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fundamentals of calling is the setup and

 

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then you know the calling will come with

 

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it too you know later on right so I try

 

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to tell guys when they ask me about

 

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sounds you know I'm not calling anything

 

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in I ask them what's your setup like

 

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well what do you mean well take me

 

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through your whole setup and then I'll

 

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I'll see what you know I might be able

 

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to try to help you out right so it's

 

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very key that's a very important part of

 

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any kind of Predator calling exactly and

 

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like said we're going to get to sounds

 

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and sequences on this podcast and uh but

 

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I think we got to start off just talk

 

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quite we said and that stand selection

 

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and Cory you know you done talked about

 

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the about scouting a little bit what

 

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you're looking for but uh tell us tell

 

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us what you look for in an actual Bobcat

 

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stand what kind of areas you looking for

 

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what kind of what kind of areas or

 

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habitat do you concentrate on to make

 

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your cat stand because I know a lot of

 

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times you know you might have a bobcat

 

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scouted out and you're going after that

 

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cat but you're also making blind stands

 

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as well like you're just picking out

 

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habitat or certain features out there in

 

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the train say man you know what I bet

 

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that's holding cat won't you tell us

 

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what you're looking for there well I'm

 

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always looking for something that's

 

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that's a br you know got a lot of brush

 

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you know or or an open pasture that's

 

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adjacent to you know a big stand of

 

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brush and the reason is is you know

 

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these cotton tails and these stuff like

 

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that you know they they want to be in

 

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there too because they're vulnerable to

 

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you know Birds of Prey and and stuff

 

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like that so I'm always looking for

 

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something that's you know that holds a

 

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lot of brush and so that's the main

 

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thing and on top of that too in my area

 

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I've got a lot of hills and hollers you

 

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you've been out here hunting with me yep

 

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and we've talked about this before it's

 

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a good mix of you know something that

 

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looks like Kansas and something that

 

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looks like you know Middle Kentucky you

 

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know it's just it's got the good parts

 

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of both of them and uh so I've got a lot

 

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of Rolling Hills got a lot of valleys

 

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I've got a lot of Creek uh a lot of

 

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fresh water and so me personally I look

 

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for those ridges I look for a ridge

 

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that's got maybe a lot of growth around

 

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the the edges of that Ridge I don't know

 

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why a cat wants to be on a ridge but it

 

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seems like everyone that I that I call

 

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off a ridge it it's coming somewhere off

 

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the the middle part of that Ridge like

 

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where they want to bed up in the middle

 

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of the day or whatever but I try to

 

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stick away you know stay away from uh

 

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anything that's you know pretty open you

 

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know I think a cat feels vulnerable you

 

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know out in the open and uh and you know

 

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nighttime guys they kill them cats out

 

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in the open which it's different you

 

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know they're those cats nocturnal coming

 

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out at night they're hunting BS they're

 

0:10:52.120,0:10:56.839

hunting mice you know that are out in

 

0:10:54.600,0:10:59.760

those pasture fields and stuff but a

 

0:10:56.839,0:11:01.200

daytime cat he's he's he's B it down

 

0:10:59.760,0:11:03.519

he's going to be over in that brush

 

0:11:01.200,0:11:06.160

somewhere right so that that's what I'm

 

0:11:03.519,0:11:08.360

looking for I'm looking for something

 

0:11:06.160,0:11:11.120

that just and it don't have to be very

 

0:11:08.360,0:11:14.200

big I've called cats out of a out of a

 

0:11:11.120,0:11:17.800

Thicket on top of a ridge that probably

 

0:11:14.200,0:11:20.519

wasn't no bigger than 75 yard radius you

 

0:11:17.800,0:11:22.519

know of brush right you know it this

 

0:11:20.519,0:11:24.560

it's just something about it they want

 

0:11:22.519,0:11:26.360

to be in that's where they want to beted

 

0:11:24.560,0:11:28.720

so that's what I look for yeah a lot of

 

0:11:26.360,0:11:31.880

times that's all it takes you know then

 

0:11:28.720,0:11:34.800

you know know here in in my part of the

 

0:11:31.880,0:11:36.639

world here in Kentucky you know we've

 

0:11:34.800,0:11:38.519

got

 

0:11:36.639,0:11:40.639

probably I don't know you all got a lot

 

0:11:38.519,0:11:43.600

of Timber too but you know we can get

 

0:11:40.639,0:11:45.440

into bigger spreads of timber here in my

 

0:11:43.600,0:11:47.360

type in my part of the country and it's

 

0:11:45.440,0:11:50.160

total different type terrain it's the

 

0:11:47.360,0:11:52.200

it's knobby hilly rolling type country

 

0:11:50.160,0:11:53.760

not that you don't have that as well but

 

0:11:52.200,0:11:55.519

I guess it's one of the things when you

 

0:11:53.760,0:11:57.079

start talking about bobcats all across

 

0:11:55.519,0:12:00.200

the country everybody's going to run

 

0:11:57.079,0:12:01.240

into their own little uh Earth place is

 

0:12:00.200,0:12:02.959

going to be different you know you're

 

0:12:01.240,0:12:04.760

going to run into your own challenges

 

0:12:02.959,0:12:08.279

far as terrain goes and number of

 

0:12:04.760,0:12:09.959

animals and but but the Bobcat itself is

 

0:12:08.279,0:12:12.519

still always going to be the same type

 

0:12:09.959,0:12:16.600

of creature uh your creek bottoms River

 

0:12:12.519,0:12:18.360

bottoms stuff that's loged areas places

 

0:12:16.600,0:12:20.360

that are just growed up thick usually

 

0:12:18.360,0:12:22.360

those are hot spots for cats those are

 

0:12:20.360,0:12:25.800

definitely places to look definitely

 

0:12:22.360,0:12:28.320

places to key in on to try to call for

 

0:12:25.800,0:12:30.120

Bobcats um you just mentioned earlier

 

0:12:28.320,0:12:33.320

about how dry it's been in Missouri it's

 

0:12:30.120,0:12:36.360

been dry across most of the US so keying

 

0:12:33.320,0:12:38.880

in on on water sources can be key not

 

0:12:36.360,0:12:40.720

just because the Bobcats need water

 

0:12:38.880,0:12:42.920

because all the prey animals that they

 

0:12:40.720,0:12:45.079

prey on need the water as well so you're

 

0:12:42.920,0:12:46.320

going to have song birds rabbits all

 

0:12:45.079,0:12:47.800

that type of stuff it's going to be

 

0:12:46.320,0:12:49.000

congregating around that water as well

 

0:12:47.800,0:12:52.279

and it's just a perfect place for them

 

0:12:49.000,0:12:54.639

to hunt yes and a and a bobcat is an

 

0:12:52.279,0:12:58.320

ambush type Hunter that's you know

 

0:12:54.639,0:12:59.959

they're you know a ky they're more of a

 

0:12:58.320,0:13:03.079

opportunity you know they're running

 

0:12:59.959,0:13:05.959

around at night you know feeding off the

 

0:13:03.079,0:13:07.680

cow piles or bowls or something like

 

0:13:05.959,0:13:10.040

that and and a bobcat's a little bit

 

0:13:07.680,0:13:13.720

more of an ambush type Hunter they do

 

0:13:10.040,0:13:16.279

the same things as a ky does you know as

 

0:13:13.720,0:13:18.120

far as you know going out in them cow

 

0:13:16.279,0:13:20.120

pastures and stuff and and hunting mice

 

0:13:18.120,0:13:24.279

and whatnot but when they're on a rabbit

 

0:13:20.120,0:13:27.680

or a bird or even a you know a fawn deer

 

0:13:24.279,0:13:30.040

they're ambushing that you know to to to

 

0:13:27.680,0:13:32.920

try and kill it right

 

0:13:30.040,0:13:34.199

right well we just talked about what

 

0:13:32.920,0:13:37.079

type of stuff you you know what what are

 

0:13:34.199,0:13:39.120

you looking for in a Bobcat stand so let

 

0:13:37.079,0:13:41.519

me ask you this next question is once

 

0:13:39.120,0:13:43.399

you've found a stand location where

 

0:13:41.519,0:13:44.639

you've either have a bobcat scouted out

 

0:13:43.399,0:13:46.959

you know he's going to be in a certain

 

0:13:44.639,0:13:49.320

area or you found some kind of terrain

 

0:13:46.959,0:13:51.079

feature a certain habitat that you're

 

0:13:49.320,0:13:53.360

looking at say you know what that that

 

0:13:51.079,0:13:55.880

spot there might be holding a bobcat

 

0:13:53.360,0:13:58.320

let's talk about um once you actually

 

0:13:55.880,0:14:01.240

find your stand location how how do you

 

0:13:58.320,0:14:03.279

set up up when you're making an actual C

 

0:14:01.240,0:14:05.440

or Bobcat stand how far you setting your

 

0:14:03.279,0:14:07.120

call out what are you actually looking

 

0:14:05.440,0:14:09.320

for when you're starting to converge in

 

0:14:07.120,0:14:11.199

on that uh that spot to actually call

 

0:14:09.320,0:14:12.880

for a cat walk us on through that like

 

0:14:11.199,0:14:14.480

you're getting set all the way up to hit

 

0:14:12.880,0:14:17.480

and play on your

 

0:14:14.480,0:14:19.759

remote okay well the first thing when I

 

0:14:17.480,0:14:22.920

get when I find a location or if I you

 

0:14:19.759,0:14:26.800

know look at it on on and that's another

 

0:14:22.920,0:14:28.440

big key feature is once I do find a spot

 

0:14:26.800,0:14:31.079

that I think that might hold a cat I'll

 

0:14:28.440,0:14:35.360

also so go back and I'll look it up on

 

0:14:31.079,0:14:38.839

onx and try to find you know on the top

 

0:14:35.360,0:14:42.360

POS where the sharper parts of that that

 

0:14:38.839,0:14:47.839

Valley is you know and then I can go in

 

0:14:42.360,0:14:51.880

there find those areas I look for a good

 

0:14:47.839,0:14:53.920

backdrop uh that's that's key I always

 

0:14:51.880,0:14:57.040

give myself a good backdrop because cats

 

0:14:53.920,0:15:00.079

will pick you out so fast you know if

 

0:14:57.040,0:15:02.079

you're sitting up on top of a a knob and

 

0:15:00.079,0:15:04.199

ain't nothing around you that cat first

 

0:15:02.079,0:15:06.920

thing he's gonna do is look at you I and

 

0:15:04.199,0:15:08.680

it it's just what it is so that's the

 

0:15:06.920,0:15:13.440

first thing I look for I look I look in

 

0:15:08.680,0:15:17.160

my my map at that area I'm looking at

 

0:15:13.440,0:15:20.800

then I'll go in and I'll try to get

 

0:15:17.160,0:15:23.480

within no no more than a 100 yard I I

 

0:15:20.800,0:15:24.759

want to stay 100 yards and less from

 

0:15:23.480,0:15:27.600

that

 

0:15:24.759,0:15:31.240

area make sure I can see make sure I can

 

0:15:27.600,0:15:33.759

see everything around me and give me the

 

0:15:31.240,0:15:36.759

advantage and him only one advantage I

 

0:15:33.759,0:15:39.160

want the one advantage that he he has I

 

0:15:36.759,0:15:41.480

want to be that he could see the call

 

0:15:39.160,0:15:43.920

and see the decoy and you can't always

 

0:15:41.480,0:15:48.560

do that but that's that's what I try to

 

0:15:43.920,0:15:52.759

do uh so then on top of that I set my

 

0:15:48.560,0:15:54.600

call out about probably oh 25 30 yards

 

0:15:52.759,0:15:56.680

and it's either going to be I don't want

 

0:15:54.600,0:15:58.199

it right straight in line with where

 

0:15:56.680,0:16:01.079

where I'm calling at because I don't

 

0:15:58.199,0:16:04.360

want the C to see me the first thing he

 

0:16:01.079,0:16:06.759

does when he clears the brush so always

 

0:16:04.360,0:16:08.040

try to get it to I don't mean to

 

0:16:06.759,0:16:09.560

interrupt you but I actually got a

 

0:16:08.040,0:16:11.759

notebook sitting here and I was sitting

 

0:16:09.560,0:16:13.959

here thinking as you was walking us

 

0:16:11.759,0:16:16.440

through that I wrote down

 

0:16:13.959,0:16:18.240

here where you putting your call I just

 

0:16:16.440,0:16:19.800

got a note here where you place your

 

0:16:18.240,0:16:21.040

call at in conjunction with you and

 

0:16:19.800,0:16:23.600

where you think the cat's going to come

 

0:16:21.040,0:16:25.319

out cuz I was going to bring that up

 

0:16:23.600,0:16:27.040

okay exactly what you're saying right

 

0:16:25.319,0:16:29.000

there so keep on keep on going great

 

0:16:27.040,0:16:31.600

point right here everybody listen up

 

0:16:29.000,0:16:32.959

right here cuz this is key key key bit

 

0:16:31.600,0:16:36.480

of

 

0:16:32.959,0:16:39.639

information okay so getting back to call

 

0:16:36.480,0:16:42.639

placement uh once I find that area and I

 

0:16:39.639,0:16:45.560

place my call out I don't want that call

 

0:16:42.639,0:16:48.079

directly in line with the with the place

 

0:16:45.560,0:16:49.880

I'm expecting this cat to come out and

 

0:16:48.079,0:16:51.600

the reason is because I don't want to be

 

0:16:49.880,0:16:54.600

the first thing that cat sees when he

 

0:16:51.600,0:16:57.800

comes out of that brush so I always try

 

0:16:54.600,0:16:59.240

to place my call left or right of my

 

0:16:57.800,0:17:01.720

position

 

0:16:59.240,0:17:04.600

uh and it's usually it depends on the

 

0:17:01.720,0:17:06.439

the way the wind is blowing too John you

 

0:17:04.600,0:17:09.319

actually taught me something about Bob

 

0:17:06.439,0:17:11.559

Cat hunting uh here a year or two ago

 

0:17:09.319,0:17:13.880

that I really didn't really ever put in

 

0:17:11.559,0:17:18.079

this perspective I didn't think cats Ed

 

0:17:13.880,0:17:21.319

the wind like a coyot does right and gen

 

0:17:18.079,0:17:23.079

generally they don't but seems like a

 

0:17:21.319,0:17:26.559

cat that maybe might have been called in

 

0:17:23.079,0:17:28.679

before or is just an older cat they they

 

0:17:26.559,0:17:31.080

tend to do that and I actually got one

 

0:17:28.679,0:17:32.960

on video last year after you and I had

 

0:17:31.080,0:17:35.919

actually talked about it and after I

 

0:17:32.960,0:17:37.720

killed that Bobcat I'm like John John's

 

0:17:35.919,0:17:40.000

absolutely right it it just happened to

 

0:17:37.720,0:17:43.400

me you know that cat tried to cut the

 

0:17:40.000,0:17:46.400

wind on the call and and he ended up did

 

0:17:43.400,0:17:48.919

but I was I was in his way from getting

 

0:17:46.400,0:17:50.720

away so kind of wor it kind of worked

 

0:17:48.919,0:17:53.240

out in my advantage so that's a good

 

0:17:50.720,0:17:55.880

point too right there I always try to

 

0:17:53.240,0:17:59.159

set it up somewhat like a coyote stand

 

0:17:55.880,0:18:01.919

too because of the win so

 

0:17:59.159,0:18:04.600

with me moving that call left or right

 

0:18:01.919,0:18:07.960

in my position keeps the cat's eyes off

 

0:18:04.600,0:18:10.960

of me and on the sound and then I go

 

0:18:07.960,0:18:12.600

from there right that's and that's the

 

0:18:10.960,0:18:14.200

talking about placing that call where

 

0:18:12.600,0:18:16.120

it's not in line with you and where the

 

0:18:14.200,0:18:19.799

B where you think the Bobcat's going to

 

0:18:16.120,0:18:22.600

come out or where a bobcat is uh they

 

0:18:19.799,0:18:24.480

get so keyed in on the sound I mean when

 

0:18:22.600,0:18:27.679

they come out usually they're staring a

 

0:18:24.480,0:18:29.280

hole right through that call well if

 

0:18:27.679,0:18:31.200

they come out and they're staring right

 

0:18:29.280,0:18:32.960

at that call and then you're the next

 

0:18:31.200,0:18:34.799

thing right behind it to take a c and

 

0:18:32.960,0:18:37.159

you start moving guess what they going

 

0:18:34.799,0:18:39.559

to pick you off so it is key bit bit of

 

0:18:37.159,0:18:42.559

information I always try to offset the

 

0:18:39.559,0:18:44.360

call somewhere where if when the cat

 

0:18:42.559,0:18:46.400

comes out he's going to be looking at

 

0:18:44.360,0:18:48.799

the call and there's no way he can see

 

0:18:46.400,0:18:50.159

me unless he has to turn his head left

 

0:18:48.799,0:18:51.640

or right you know what I mean I don't

 

0:18:50.159,0:18:53.480

want him to be looking straight at the

 

0:18:51.640,0:18:55.880

call then straight into me so that's a

 

0:18:53.480,0:18:57.600

great great point and the next thing

 

0:18:55.880,0:18:59.039

that Cory just brought up was wind

 

0:18:57.600,0:19:00.600

direction

 

0:18:59.039,0:19:02.360

I've actually got that down as the next

 

0:19:00.600,0:19:03.679

thing I was going to mention to Corey

 

0:19:02.360,0:19:07.120

and we'll go ahead and start talking

 

0:19:03.679,0:19:10.960

about that one um I guess would be a

 

0:19:07.120,0:19:13.039

myth you might say and I have seen where

 

0:19:10.960,0:19:15.039

people have wrote this in articles I

 

0:19:13.039,0:19:17.679

have seen where they have wrote this you

 

0:19:15.039,0:19:19.559

know type this out on social media pages

 

0:19:17.679,0:19:20.840

and stuff like that when the topic comes

 

0:19:19.559,0:19:23.280

up they'll talk when they're talking

 

0:19:20.840,0:19:25.240

about when they'll tell you that a

 

0:19:23.280,0:19:27.280

bobcat doesn't care about the wind I'm

 

0:19:25.240,0:19:29.840

here to tell you it's false I have seen

 

0:19:27.280,0:19:33.000

on a couple more than a couple occasions

 

0:19:29.840,0:19:35.000

where a bobcat has actually boogered

 

0:19:33.000,0:19:37.000

when I say boogered I mean like got

 

0:19:35.000,0:19:39.760

spooked and run off because he has

 

0:19:37.000,0:19:42.360

winded the hunter I've actually filmed

 

0:19:39.760,0:19:44.840

it I mean I can show you video evidence

 

0:19:42.360,0:19:47.120

of a cat come out and actually hit the

 

0:19:44.840,0:19:50.000

scent con hit my scent cone and the

 

0:19:47.120,0:19:52.080

cameraman scent cone stop right in its

 

0:19:50.000,0:19:54.720

tracks look around a little bit turn

 

0:19:52.080,0:19:58.000

around and run off just like a coyot

 

0:19:54.720,0:19:59.280

would so they can booger on your not

 

0:19:58.000,0:20:01.159

saying every one of them cuz I have

 

0:19:59.280,0:20:03.280

called in Bobcats that showed up from

 

0:20:01.159,0:20:05.679

directions I didn't expect them to and

 

0:20:03.280,0:20:07.640

walked right to the call with every bit

 

0:20:05.679,0:20:09.880

of my wind blowing right up their snout

 

0:20:07.640,0:20:12.720

and they didn't care but I have caught

 

0:20:09.880,0:20:15.200

run into situations where some cats do

 

0:20:12.720,0:20:17.679

so I always hunt the wind even when I'm

 

0:20:15.200,0:20:20.600

calling for Bobcats and another reason I

 

0:20:17.679,0:20:23.000

do that if I've got a a Thicket that I

 

0:20:20.600,0:20:24.880

know what Bobcat's held up in I want to

 

0:20:23.000,0:20:26.559

make sure the wind is my favor I don't

 

0:20:24.880,0:20:29.240

want my wind blowing from me to that

 

0:20:26.559,0:20:32.000

Thicket not just because of Bobcat but

 

0:20:29.240,0:20:33.440

also because of coyes cuz Cory guess

 

0:20:32.000,0:20:35.760

what's going to happen if I start

 

0:20:33.440,0:20:38.200

playing Mrs MC Cotton Tail and a big old

 

0:20:35.760,0:20:40.440

fuzzy coyot runs out I'm gonna bust his

 

0:20:38.200,0:20:41.960

H end you know what I mean oh yeah oh

 

0:20:40.440,0:20:44.000

yeah and guess what's going to happen if

 

0:20:41.960,0:20:45.120

I start calling and my winds blowing

 

0:20:44.000,0:20:47.520

down in there what's going to happen

 

0:20:45.120,0:20:50.559

with that Coy and he's going the other

 

0:20:47.520,0:20:53.679

way exactly so I always want to hunt the

 

0:20:50.559,0:20:57.000

wind no matter what I'm calling for

 

0:20:53.679,0:20:58.280

because all coou are always you know if

 

0:20:57.000,0:21:00.159

they come out to the call when I'm

 

0:20:58.280,0:21:02.440

calling for Bobcats I'm not giving them

 

0:21:00.159,0:21:04.200

no passes there's no free free passes

 

0:21:02.440,0:21:05.919

right here with John Collins he's going

 

0:21:04.200,0:21:08.280

the K's going to get it and another

 

0:21:05.919,0:21:12.360

thing like I said I have seen

 

0:21:08.280,0:21:14.600

Bobcats booger on on win and run off and

 

0:21:12.360,0:21:16.279

and they if you you know when people

 

0:21:14.600,0:21:17.679

call out Bobcats usually come a little

 

0:21:16.279,0:21:20.039

on hinge and they shoot them pretty

 

0:21:17.679,0:21:21.840

quick but if you'll watch a bobcat and

 

0:21:20.039,0:21:23.840

let him do his thing and let him come up

 

0:21:21.840,0:21:25.720

her to the call you'll actually see this

 

0:21:23.840,0:21:28.360

a lot they won't start circling out to

 

0:21:25.720,0:21:30.200

the downwind side like a ky usually does

 

0:21:28.360,0:21:32.279

you know from far off but what'll happen

 

0:21:30.200,0:21:35.000

if you let them get close enough using

 

0:21:32.279,0:21:37.000

that last 10 15 20 steps you'll see them

 

0:21:35.000,0:21:38.440

start to circle the call oh yeah and

 

0:21:37.000,0:21:40.919

using walk the direction they're

 

0:21:38.440,0:21:44.240

circling is to the downwind

 

0:21:40.919,0:21:47.520

side happens a lot it does happen a lot

 

0:21:44.240,0:21:49.559

and like you said I you know I I thought

 

0:21:47.520,0:21:51.480

it was a mythical thing up until a

 

0:21:49.559,0:21:54.520

couple years ago when we when you and I

 

0:21:51.480,0:21:56.919

got the talking about it but last year I

 

0:21:54.520,0:21:59.679

actually filmed it too I mean and the

 

0:21:56.919,0:22:02.960

cat didn't cut my scent cone he actually

 

0:21:59.679,0:22:05.000

cut the scent cone on the call and just

 

0:22:02.960,0:22:07.039

so happened I was I was in between him

 

0:22:05.000,0:22:08.679

and the call so it like I said it worked

 

0:22:07.039,0:22:11.080

out in my advantage there right it

 

0:22:08.679,0:22:14.120

didn't didn't help him none did it no it

 

0:22:11.080,0:22:16.120

didn't hey speaking speaking of not

 

0:22:14.120,0:22:18.520

speaking of things working out or not

 

0:22:16.120,0:22:21.279

working out I heard you I heard you

 

0:22:18.520,0:22:23.559

missed a bobcat there a week or two ago

 

0:22:21.279,0:22:27.200

boy those those sure do hurt don't they

 

0:22:23.559,0:22:28.840

I know you've missed them I have I have

 

0:22:27.200,0:22:30.520

tell tell them about tell us about that

 

0:22:28.840,0:22:33.559

stand that was just here just a few days

 

0:22:30.520,0:22:36.919

ago right it's been yeah probably about

 

0:22:33.559,0:22:41.120

10 days ago um first cat I called into

 

0:22:36.919,0:22:44.520

the season and this this will go into a

 

0:22:41.120,0:22:46.559

lot of what we're talking about too um

 

0:22:44.520,0:22:48.720

actually when I seen this Bobcat I

 

0:22:46.559,0:22:50.720

actually thought it was a coyote I seen

 

0:22:48.720,0:22:54.440

this cat this cat running in from about

 

0:22:50.720,0:22:57.640

four or 500 yards away across an open

 

0:22:54.440,0:22:59.159

pasture he was he was close to Timber

 

0:22:57.640,0:23:01.159

but he was running right down the edge

 

0:22:59.159,0:23:05.240

of it and I thought well here comes a

 

0:23:01.159,0:23:07.480

bobcat or excuse me here comes a Kyo and

 

0:23:05.240,0:23:08.919

I turned my position because he was

 

0:23:07.480,0:23:11.440

coming from a direction I wasn't

 

0:23:08.919,0:23:14.080

expecting anything to come from and he

 

0:23:11.440,0:23:16.240

gets about 300 yards and I noticed I'm

 

0:23:14.080,0:23:20.240

like that's that's

 

0:23:16.240,0:23:22.279

Bobcat so I actually cut the sound off

 

0:23:20.240,0:23:24.480

because if he was down win I really

 

0:23:22.279,0:23:25.200

didn't want him to come straight into

 

0:23:24.480,0:23:28.960

the

 

0:23:25.200,0:23:31.320

call and once I realized was going on I

 

0:23:28.960,0:23:34.360

turned the call back on yep but what

 

0:23:31.320,0:23:35.919

happened is that cat when I after I

 

0:23:34.360,0:23:39.200

turned that call off and I'm talking

 

0:23:35.919,0:23:42.520

like 20 seconds he he already lost

 

0:23:39.200,0:23:44.640

interest and so I'm watching this cat

 

0:23:42.520,0:23:47.440

come down this hill and he's actually

 

0:23:44.640,0:23:49.840

going away from the call at this point

 

0:23:47.440,0:23:52.600

and I thought well I just I might as

 

0:23:49.840,0:23:55.520

well shoot him right there so I leaned

 

0:23:52.600,0:23:58.400

in on my Swagger bipods to try to get a

 

0:23:55.520,0:24:00.039

good steady shot and I

 

0:23:58.400,0:24:02.720

almost had the shot I had my safety

 

0:24:00.039,0:24:04.919

flicked off and the cat was actually

 

0:24:02.720,0:24:07.080

mousing out there and he he was jumping

 

0:24:04.919,0:24:09.679

around and he moved position so I had to

 

0:24:07.080,0:24:11.600

reset my stick and I was leaning back in

 

0:24:09.679,0:24:14.279

for that shot again to get real steady

 

0:24:11.600,0:24:16.000

on them on them Swagger bipods and my

 

0:24:14.279,0:24:18.440

finger hit the trigger and I shot right

 

0:24:16.000,0:24:21.880

in front of him I was not even ready to

 

0:24:18.440,0:24:23.960

shoot yet when the gun went off that's

 

0:24:21.880,0:24:26.320

the problems with the you know wearing

 

0:24:23.960,0:24:28.799

gloves when you're hunting sometimes but

 

0:24:26.320,0:24:33.080

completely on me I missed that Cat

 

0:24:28.799,0:24:34.960

filmed him really really nice cat and

 

0:24:33.080,0:24:37.159

well maybe I'll go back in and kill him

 

0:24:34.960,0:24:40.200

here in the next few weeks I don't know

 

0:24:37.159,0:24:41.360

what see pretty good cat you said well

 

0:24:40.200,0:24:45.000

it sound like it was you thought it was

 

0:24:41.360,0:24:47.120

a coyote at first must be yeah I mean he

 

0:24:45.000,0:24:49.960

was pretty good cat I'd say in that mid

 

0:24:47.120,0:24:52.080

mid 20s range probably about around a 25

 

0:24:49.960,0:24:54.600

pound cat that's a good cat anything in

 

0:24:52.080,0:24:57.240

mid 20s is up the big cat if you ask me

 

0:24:54.600,0:24:59.279

so yeah maybe not to the guys down there

 

0:24:57.240,0:25:01.000

hunting the big Bobcat contest down in

 

0:24:59.279,0:25:03.399

Texas that's not a big cat for them

 

0:25:01.000,0:25:06.000

they're looking for a lot bigger but

 

0:25:03.399,0:25:08.080

well when you got six 600 teams you're

 

0:25:06.000,0:25:10.440

competing against you know you you got

 

0:25:08.080,0:25:12.720

to get all the weight you can down there

 

0:25:10.440,0:25:14.480

so well we've talk we've talked a little

 

0:25:12.720,0:25:16.600

bit about St selction we talked about

 

0:25:14.480,0:25:18.840

scouting there just a little bit tus on

 

0:25:16.600,0:25:20.360

all that stuff and and like I said guys

 

0:25:18.840,0:25:22.080

that type of stuff goes a long way but

 

0:25:20.360,0:25:24.279

we talked about the stand selection

 

0:25:22.080,0:25:25.880

stand setup now we're getting right up

 

0:25:24.279,0:25:28.760

there close to start talking about

 

0:25:25.880,0:25:30.440

sounds and uh sequel es and stuff like

 

0:25:28.760,0:25:32.840

that but I want to ask you about before

 

0:25:30.440,0:25:35.440

we start talking about specific St

 

0:25:32.840,0:25:38.799

sounds uh let's talk about call volume a

 

0:25:35.440,0:25:41.120

little bit Cory what what what range are

 

0:25:38.799,0:25:42.960

you running your sounds as far as call

 

0:25:41.120,0:25:45.039

volume goes and let everybody know which

 

0:25:42.960,0:25:49.080

which unit you're running so they know

 

0:25:45.039,0:25:51.440

kind of com what to compare with okay so

 

0:25:49.080,0:25:54.039

I I've been running the x24 ever since

 

0:25:51.440,0:25:55.279

it come out and I that's the call I'm

 

0:25:54.039,0:25:59.960

still currently

 

0:25:55.279,0:26:03.399

using so most of my cat stands when I

 

0:25:59.960,0:26:05.760

when I start my sound it's usually not

 

0:26:03.399,0:26:08.200

not 50% volume I'm usually starting

 

0:26:05.760,0:26:11.039

around that 20 range so it's a little

 

0:26:08.200,0:26:14.679

less than 50% no I guess that is 50% it

 

0:26:11.039,0:26:17.880

goes to 40 my apology yep so I guess I'm

 

0:26:14.679,0:26:20.320

right there at 50% and that that's where

 

0:26:17.880,0:26:22.520

I always start my stand at and the

 

0:26:20.320,0:26:24.200

reason being is I don't want to push

 

0:26:22.520,0:26:27.039

anything out of the area with too much

 

0:26:24.200,0:26:29.600

volume so that's where I start at and

 

0:26:27.039,0:26:33.600

immediately immediately when I start my

 

0:26:29.600,0:26:36.279

call within the first 30 seconds I'm I'm

 

0:26:33.600,0:26:39.520

on the the remote or the volume key I'm

 

0:26:36.279,0:26:43.399

up and down I'll ramp that sound up

 

0:26:39.520,0:26:47.320

maybe take it to 24 to 26 I think I've

 

0:26:43.399,0:26:50.520

got M set on you know two second or two

 

0:26:47.320,0:26:53.679

volume increments yep and then bring it

 

0:26:50.520,0:26:58.279

back down to 50% and then I'll take it

 

0:26:53.679,0:27:01.360

sometimes as low as 10 on the volume

 

0:26:58.279,0:27:04.080

uh and the reason being when I do that

 

0:27:01.360,0:27:06.480

it's usually later in my stand when I

 

0:27:04.080,0:27:09.840

when I take my volume way down like that

 

0:27:06.480,0:27:12.360

because I've seen it more than once the

 

0:27:09.840,0:27:14.240

cat sometimes if they hang up and you

 

0:27:12.360,0:27:16.679

don't see them if you don't know that

 

0:27:14.240,0:27:19.159

cat's anywhere in the area you take that

 

0:27:16.679,0:27:21.159

volume way down I think that cat really

 

0:27:19.159,0:27:24.240

feels like the sound's going away from

 

0:27:21.159,0:27:26.960

it right and i' I've seen cats when you

 

0:27:24.240,0:27:29.760

turn that sound down they'll posture up

 

0:27:26.960,0:27:32.240

and they'll they'll start coming on in

 

0:27:29.760,0:27:34.559

and I I know you've done it we've all

 

0:27:32.240,0:27:36.080

seen cats hang up there's sometimes

 

0:27:34.559,0:27:37.559

there ain't nothing you can do they

 

0:27:36.080,0:27:39.159

might be sitting at 100 yards and

 

0:27:37.559,0:27:41.799

they'll just sit there doesn't matter

 

0:27:39.159,0:27:43.640

what stand you play but so that's why I

 

0:27:41.799,0:27:46.720

always play with that volume I'll ramp

 

0:27:43.640,0:27:49.080

it up especially on a windy day really

 

0:27:46.720,0:27:51.799

get that sound out there and then bring

 

0:27:49.080,0:27:54.080

it back 50% and like I said get towards

 

0:27:51.799,0:27:57.399

the end of my stand really ramp that

 

0:27:54.080,0:27:58.240

down down there about about 10 or 12

 

0:27:57.399,0:28:01.399

yeah

 

0:27:58.240,0:28:04.600

yep so you're running everything from

 

0:28:01.399,0:28:08.159

volume 10 on the x24 all the way up to

 

0:28:04.600,0:28:10.519

26ish we might say yeah yeah I usually

 

0:28:08.159,0:28:12.559

don't get much higher than that I'm not

 

0:28:10.519,0:28:14.919

gonna say I don't just a lot of times

 

0:28:12.559,0:28:16.840

I'm not looking down at the remote you

 

0:28:14.919,0:28:19.320

know paying attention to my you know

 

0:28:16.840,0:28:21.519

levels of my volume right right I try to

 

0:28:19.320,0:28:24.279

stay in that area yeah well we're pretty

 

0:28:21.519,0:28:26.480

similar on that I'm usually I'm like you

 

0:28:24.279,0:28:28.799

said I'm starting out around 50% it's

 

0:28:26.480,0:28:31.080

usually around 18 2022 somewhere in

 

0:28:28.799,0:28:33.640

there then I'm just like you said I'm

 

0:28:31.080,0:28:36.440

I'm ramping the volume I'm I'm a I'm big

 

0:28:33.640,0:28:37.919

on using the volume keys up and down

 

0:28:36.440,0:28:39.320

anytime I'm running any kind of prey

 

0:28:37.919,0:28:41.559

distress I'm doing that it doesn't

 

0:28:39.320,0:28:44.000

matter if I'm calling for Bob Kats Coy

 

0:28:41.559,0:28:47.120

fox or whatever it just creates a little

 

0:28:44.000,0:28:50.120

bit of realism I think that adds to it

 

0:28:47.120,0:28:53.039

um I don't get as low as you I'll be

 

0:28:50.120,0:28:55.640

down around everywhere from 15 16 is

 

0:28:53.039,0:28:58.039

about the lowest as I go and I will get

 

0:28:55.640,0:29:01.039

a little bit louder uh sometimes I'll

 

0:28:58.039,0:29:03.760

get up to 28 and sometimes even 30 it

 

0:29:01.039,0:29:05.720

depends on the stand itself of course uh

 

0:29:03.760,0:29:08.720

but I don't keep it that loud very long

 

0:29:05.720,0:29:13.880

at all the most no most time my sound's

 

0:29:08.720,0:29:17.279

going to be in that 22 to 24 25 26 uh

 

0:29:13.880,0:29:19.640

level I keep my my remote is set on

 

0:29:17.279,0:29:22.000

single increments you know every time

 

0:29:19.640,0:29:23.559

I'm hitting up it's just jumping one one

 

0:29:22.000,0:29:25.919

sound Notch and every time I'm hitting

 

0:29:23.559,0:29:28.120

down it's just one sound Notch so that's

 

0:29:25.919,0:29:30.039

just a difference in you know what you

 

0:29:28.120,0:29:31.559

like to run and I like to run there's NE

 

0:29:30.039,0:29:32.799

neither one of them's right or wrong I

 

0:29:31.559,0:29:34.679

mean they're both right because they

 

0:29:32.799,0:29:37.679

both work so it's just personal

 

0:29:34.679,0:29:39.960

preference there but uh um that's that's

 

0:29:37.679,0:29:45.039

great stuff there you go about call

 

0:29:39.960,0:29:49.039

volume um the other units from Fox Pro

 

0:29:45.039,0:29:51.760

the x24 is loud that's a loud unit so 26

 

0:29:49.039,0:29:55.080

28 on that going to be a lot louder than

 

0:29:51.760,0:29:56.559

26 or 28 on a fox Pro Shockwave which is

 

0:29:55.080,0:29:59.000

another great unit but you can probably

 

0:29:56.559,0:30:01.080

run your shock wave a little bit louder

 

0:29:59.000,0:30:05.120

all your other unions like the prowers

 

0:30:01.080,0:30:06.240

and and uh Hellcat and Hellcat Pro

 

0:30:05.120,0:30:07.960

you're going to be able to run those on

 

0:30:06.240,0:30:10.039

a higher higher level you know your

 

0:30:07.960,0:30:11.799

Hellcat and your Prowler you can don't

 

0:30:10.039,0:30:13.760

be scared to run them at full volume

 

0:30:11.799,0:30:16.200

because they're just not near as loud as

 

0:30:13.760,0:30:18.000

x24 now that sound still getting out

 

0:30:16.200,0:30:20.440

there I see a lot of people all the time

 

0:30:18.000,0:30:21.720

say I don't think my call is loud enough

 

0:30:20.440,0:30:23.480

well there it's getting out a lot better

 

0:30:21.720,0:30:25.919

than you think but you can run like that

 

0:30:23.480,0:30:28.919

Prowler and Hellcat quite a you know

 

0:30:25.919,0:30:32.600

closer to full max volume and you won't

 

0:30:28.919,0:30:34.760

be spooking no cats but U all this good

 

0:30:32.600,0:30:36.519

stuff Cory appreciate that time to start

 

0:30:34.760,0:30:38.720

talking about some sounds and sound

 

0:30:36.519,0:30:40.600

sequences that's why everybody jumped on

 

0:30:38.720,0:30:42.679

here because like you said when we start

 

0:30:40.600,0:30:44.480

uh posting stuff about bobcats or they

 

0:30:42.679,0:30:46.919

see us killing them or watch

 

0:30:44.480,0:30:48.399

videos they don't ever care care about

 

0:30:46.919,0:30:50.200

the stand selection or nothing like that

 

0:30:48.399,0:30:51.480

they won't know what sound you using so

 

0:30:50.200,0:30:53.200

we're going to talk about that w't you

 

0:30:51.480,0:30:55.880

talk about some of your favorite sounds

 

0:30:53.200,0:30:59.159

that you like to use uh for Bobcats what

 

0:30:55.880,0:31:01.559

you've had your most Lu of in the past

 

0:30:59.159,0:31:03.080

uh and then we'll go right into giving a

 

0:31:01.559,0:31:05.000

sound sequence but what type of sounds

 

0:31:03.080,0:31:08.320

you like playing for a bob Kat

 

0:31:05.000,0:31:10.600

stand uh well I know I've got a lot of

 

0:31:08.320,0:31:12.720

people that tune into this podcast that

 

0:31:10.600,0:31:16.360

follow me and they all know my favorite

 

0:31:12.720,0:31:18.519

sound is Mrs MC Cotton Tail I just I

 

0:31:16.360,0:31:20.200

just absolutely love it I've called in

 

0:31:18.519,0:31:23.960

all kinds of stuff with it actually this

 

0:31:20.200,0:31:26.960

week I've called in I've called in a a a

 

0:31:23.960,0:31:29.840

two red fox or excuse me two gray fox

 

0:31:26.960,0:31:32.559

and a bobcat this week with Mrs MC

 

0:31:29.840,0:31:35.679

Cotton Tail so it's it's at the top of

 

0:31:32.559,0:31:38.720

my list for Bobcat but uh other than

 

0:31:35.679,0:31:42.000

that I really like kg Cotton Tail it's

 

0:31:38.720,0:31:44.639

it's right there almost dead even as far

 

0:31:42.000,0:31:47.880

as one of my favorite sounds for Bobcat

 

0:31:44.639,0:31:52.080

and then I'm a huge fan of baby

 

0:31:47.880,0:31:55.039

Cottontail yep but don't think that none

 

0:31:52.080,0:31:58.120

of these other sounds that fox pro has

 

0:31:55.039,0:32:00.320

out or mfk has out that are Cotton Tail

 

0:31:58.120,0:32:02.600

sounds don't think they won't work

 

0:32:00.320,0:32:05.320

because I've called in Bobcat with every

 

0:32:02.600,0:32:07.360

one of them I'm pretty sure right so

 

0:32:05.320,0:32:09.080

they they're all effective these are

 

0:32:07.360,0:32:11.639

just the these are just the sounds that

 

0:32:09.080,0:32:14.840

are my my top three and what I like to

 

0:32:11.639,0:32:18.240

use and that fit you know my style right

 

0:32:14.840,0:32:19.480

so well and I'm the same way I'm a when

 

0:32:18.240,0:32:22.559

it comes to

 

0:32:19.480,0:32:26.519

Bobcats I I'm definitely a cottontail

 

0:32:22.559,0:32:27.639

distress guy um yeah now like you said I

 

0:32:26.519,0:32:30.480

have called

 

0:32:27.639,0:32:32.840

bobcats in on other type rabbit sounds

 

0:32:30.480,0:32:35.639

I've called them in on Snowshoe sounds

 

0:32:32.840,0:32:38.799

that old Snowshoe hair HP from Fox Pro

 

0:32:35.639,0:32:41.240

I've called in man tons of tons of

 

0:32:38.799,0:32:43.639

bobcats and coyes to that I still use it

 

0:32:41.240,0:32:45.600

today I've called them in with Jack

 

0:32:43.639,0:32:47.919

Rabbit sounds the old school jack rabbit

 

0:32:45.600,0:32:49.960

sound from Fox Pro Lightning Jack you

 

0:32:47.919,0:32:51.720

know the infamous Lightning Jack I've

 

0:32:49.960,0:32:54.080

caught a lot of bobcast the Lightning

 

0:32:51.720,0:32:56.440

Jack and I actually still use them in my

 

0:32:54.080,0:32:59.039

sequence I hold them towards later on in

 

0:32:56.440,0:33:02.600

the sequence and usually reason later on

 

0:32:59.039,0:33:06.639

is cuz how I usually run my sequences

 

0:33:02.600,0:33:09.440

I'm in increasing in intensity with

 

0:33:06.639,0:33:12.240

sounds as as I change you know I start

 

0:33:09.440,0:33:14.639

with a with a you know a lighter type

 

0:33:12.240,0:33:16.480

like I say a baby Cotton Tail and I just

 

0:33:14.639,0:33:20.000

when every time I switch sounds it's

 

0:33:16.480,0:33:21.760

increasing in in intensity you know

 

0:33:20.000,0:33:24.399

there ain't much more intense than

 

0:33:21.760,0:33:26.360

Lightning Jack so it's usually last one

 

0:33:24.399,0:33:28.519

that gets played but I'm right there

 

0:33:26.360,0:33:32.799

with you my two favorite sounds are Ki

 

0:33:28.519,0:33:35.440

and K Cotton Tail Mrs MC Cotton Tail um

 

0:33:32.799,0:33:38.679

they're always in my sound sequence when

 

0:33:35.440,0:33:40.600

I'm focusing in on cats two other sounds

 

0:33:38.679,0:33:42.080

that are killers for me especially when

 

0:33:40.600,0:33:44.320

it comes for Bobcats and you just

 

0:33:42.080,0:33:47.399

mentioned one of them is baby Cotton

 

0:33:44.320,0:33:50.159

Tail and uh it it's just good for all

 

0:33:47.399,0:33:52.799

predators and then to name a fourth one

 

0:33:50.159,0:33:55.399

Eastern Cotton Tail Eastern Cotton Tail

 

0:33:52.799,0:33:57.960

has been a been a really good cat collar

 

0:33:55.399,0:34:00.960

for me all acrost the country I think

 

0:33:57.960,0:34:03.080

I've uh I've called bobcats in three or

 

0:34:00.960,0:34:05.039

four different states to Eastern Eastern

 

0:34:03.080,0:34:06.399

Cotton Tail and when I talk about

 

0:34:05.039,0:34:07.960

Eastern Cotton Tail you know a lot of

 

0:34:06.399,0:34:09.760

guys and they might see that sound fire

 

0:34:07.960,0:34:12.200

like Eastern Cotton Tail well I just run

 

0:34:09.760,0:34:14.399

that east of the Mississippi no I've

 

0:34:12.200,0:34:17.240

called a bob cat I didn't kill the cat

 

0:34:14.399,0:34:18.520

because it wasn't uh I wasn't allowed to

 

0:34:17.240,0:34:19.839

at the time when we called in I didn't

 

0:34:18.520,0:34:22.399

have the proper permit and stuff we just

 

0:34:19.839,0:34:24.760

call for cows but I was up in uh the

 

0:34:22.399,0:34:28.079

Northwest excuse me up in the Northwest

 

0:34:24.760,0:34:30.399

up in Oregon and uh was in the mountains

 

0:34:28.079,0:34:33.320

and caught up a big old fuzzy Bobcat to

 

0:34:30.399,0:34:35.320

Eastern Cotton Tail so one one great

 

0:34:33.320,0:34:39.520

sound that don't get talked about a

 

0:34:35.320,0:34:41.320

whole lot but is a absolute Bobcat Colin

 

0:34:39.520,0:34:44.560

sound his Eastern

 

0:34:41.320,0:34:47.000

Contin and I know I I hunt with some

 

0:34:44.560,0:34:48.679

guys I I'm not going to give any any

 

0:34:47.000,0:34:50.760

details on where these guys are at they

 

0:34:48.679,0:34:52.480

might get mad at me if I tell them you

 

0:34:50.760,0:34:53.679

know about the sounds they're running in

 

0:34:52.480,0:34:57.240

the area they're running they hunt a lot

 

0:34:53.679,0:35:00.400

of contest but uh hunt with a couple

 

0:34:57.240,0:35:04.240

guys out of state and uh they kill a lot

 

0:35:00.400,0:35:06.000

of bobcats and they really surprised me

 

0:35:04.240,0:35:07.520

here about four or five years ago when

 

0:35:06.000,0:35:11.359

they told me one of the sounds that they

 

0:35:07.520,0:35:14.560

were using to kill Bobcats with and it's

 

0:35:11.359,0:35:16.960

getting distressed oh really yep yeah

 

0:35:14.560,0:35:20.560

they and they that's one of their go-to

 

0:35:16.960,0:35:22.760

sounds is getting distressed and I'm not

 

0:35:20.560,0:35:24.839

brave enough to use it around here I am

 

0:35:22.760,0:35:28.079

not going to say I'd say it' work no

 

0:35:24.839,0:35:30.000

doubt oh oh I'm sure it will I I use

 

0:35:28.079,0:35:31.760

it's one of my sounds that I'll use at

 

0:35:30.000,0:35:33.400

the end of my stand it's like you know

 

0:35:31.760,0:35:36.480

that last

 

0:35:33.400,0:35:38.680

Co yeah I tried everything else while it

 

0:35:36.480,0:35:40.880

going to hurt type thing

 

0:35:38.680,0:35:42.440

exactly hey I tell you other I tell you

 

0:35:40.880,0:35:45.520

other sounds that are great that I that

 

0:35:42.440,0:35:47.119

I don't use much for Bobcats I have used

 

0:35:45.520,0:35:49.920

them in the past and I've had success

 

0:35:47.119,0:35:52.359

with them is bird sounds bird sounds are

 

0:35:49.920,0:35:53.760

are killer now I'm just such I just have

 

0:35:52.359,0:35:55.760

so much luck with Cotton Tail I just

 

0:35:53.760,0:35:57.359

don't steer away from it much but

 

0:35:55.760,0:35:59.319

there's been several different bird

 

0:35:57.359,0:36:01.599

sounds different woodpeckers nutty nut

 

0:35:59.319,0:36:05.599

hatch several bird sounds that I've I've

 

0:36:01.599,0:36:07.760

called cats too as well I know um I know

 

0:36:05.599,0:36:09.160

some guys that kind of like what you

 

0:36:07.760,0:36:10.599

talking about I can tell where they're

 

0:36:09.160,0:36:12.119

hunting they're hunting here in Kentucky

 

0:36:10.599,0:36:14.760

they're a few counties away from me but

 

0:36:12.119,0:36:17.560

they call a bunch of bunch of bobcats to

 

0:36:14.760,0:36:19.480

cardinal cardinal distresses like cranky

 

0:36:17.560,0:36:20.920

Cardinal and stuff like that which makes

 

0:36:19.480,0:36:22.560

sense for Kentucky because if you know

 

0:36:20.920,0:36:25.079

anybody knows anything about basketball

 

0:36:22.560,0:36:27.839

if you follow college basketball at all

 

0:36:25.079,0:36:30.160

a Kentucky wild cat love loves tearing

 

0:36:27.839,0:36:33.200

up a Louisville Cardinal so it just

 

0:36:30.160,0:36:33.200

makes sense you know what I

 

0:36:33.520,0:36:38.960

mean that's pretty good right there yeah

 

0:36:36.400,0:36:41.599

well tell tell us walk us through a a

 

0:36:38.960,0:36:44.280

bobcat cin sequence that Corey grath

 

0:36:41.599,0:36:48.040

likes to run and has a lot of success

 

0:36:44.280,0:36:51.400

with well and and I'll I'll just reframe

 

0:36:48.040,0:36:54.119

to to some of this calling it's not

 

0:36:51.400,0:36:56.280

exciting calling it's not like you know

 

0:36:54.119,0:36:58.240

throwing vocals out there to coyotes and

 

0:36:56.280,0:37:00.920

getting responses and stuff like that

 

0:36:58.240,0:37:04.040

it's it's a little bit more boring type

 

0:37:00.920,0:37:05.760

of calling uh just because it's it's

 

0:37:04.040,0:37:09.000

kind of monness you know listen to the

 

0:37:05.760,0:37:11.280

same rabbit over and over and over um

 

0:37:09.000,0:37:15.480

but to kill a bobcat to me that's that's

 

0:37:11.280,0:37:17.960

what you got to do so I start out either

 

0:37:15.480,0:37:20.640

one or the other the top of my list is

 

0:37:17.960,0:37:23.440

going to be either kg Cottontail or Miss

 

0:37:20.640,0:37:25.839

MC cottonil like John and I talked

 

0:37:23.440,0:37:28.880

before immediately I'm going to start

 

0:37:25.839,0:37:32.720

running that volume volume up and down

 

0:37:28.880,0:37:36.079

play that sound for usually four to six

 

0:37:32.720,0:37:38.720

minutes and if I and here's another tip

 

0:37:36.079,0:37:40.960

I don't change the sound if I see a cat

 

0:37:38.720,0:37:43.599

coming uh there's no need to he's

 

0:37:40.960,0:37:46.240

already locked on the to the sound he's

 

0:37:43.599,0:37:48.520

coming there's no need to to switch the

 

0:37:46.240,0:37:50.800

call as long as he's moving and he ain't

 

0:37:48.520,0:37:52.920

hung up I'm gonna I'm Gonna Keep playing

 

0:37:50.800,0:37:57.240

that sound whether it it takes him 10

 

0:37:52.920,0:38:00.720

minutes to get there um but if not like

 

0:37:57.240,0:38:04.079

I said running that four minutes to Six

 

0:38:00.720,0:38:06.000

Minutes uh right at the end of that four

 

0:38:04.079,0:38:08.119

to six minutes I'll probably run that

 

0:38:06.000,0:38:10.400

sound down a little bit where it's

 

0:38:08.119,0:38:12.920

pretty low volume before I flip to my

 

0:38:10.400,0:38:15.480

next sound I never cut it off never give

 

0:38:12.920,0:38:18.480

it a pause I'll just roll right into

 

0:38:15.480,0:38:21.400

either kg cotton pill or Mrs MC cotton

 

0:38:18.480,0:38:25.480

pill and I'll start my sequence all over

 

0:38:21.400,0:38:29.400

again keep it going run that another

 

0:38:25.480,0:38:32.680

four to five 6 minutes volume up volume

 

0:38:29.400,0:38:33.640

down and still if nothing's changed

 

0:38:32.680,0:38:35.760

nothing's

 

0:38:33.640,0:38:38.800

coming I may run

 

0:38:35.760,0:38:40.560

into one of the many sounds that you and

 

0:38:38.800,0:38:43.400

I been talking about that's where I get

 

0:38:40.560,0:38:46.720

start to get to the end of my rope uh

 

0:38:43.400,0:38:49.359

I'm like you I I start picking out other

 

0:38:46.720,0:38:52.400

other sounds it may be a baby Cotton

 

0:38:49.359,0:38:55.119

Tail it may be the CF Cottontail maybe

 

0:38:52.400,0:38:57.079

the DSG cotton till which is another

 

0:38:55.119,0:38:58.839

very good sound one that I haven't

 

0:38:57.079,0:39:02.040

probably mentioned on this podcast

 

0:38:58.839,0:39:05.000

before I've called a ton of stuff in

 

0:39:02.040,0:39:08.079

with that DSG Cotton Tail so it's in my

 

0:39:05.000,0:39:09.640

Arsenal it's it's it's in my you know

 

0:39:08.079,0:39:12.480

Cottontail

 

0:39:09.640,0:39:15.960

category uh but most likely I'm probably

 

0:39:12.480,0:39:19.680

going to stick with with uh either kg

 

0:39:15.960,0:39:22.079

Cotton Tail uh Mrs MC Cotton Tail baby

 

0:39:19.680,0:39:23.440

Cotton Tail those are the three main

 

0:39:22.079,0:39:25.640

sounds that I'm going to start my

 

0:39:23.440,0:39:27.440

sequence off and I'll run them sounds

 

0:39:25.640,0:39:30.359

all the way

 

0:39:27.440,0:39:33.720

like I said four five six minutes and

 

0:39:30.359,0:39:36.079

somewhere around that 15 to 18 minutes

 

0:39:33.720,0:39:39.240

sometimes 20 minutes uh I get a little

 

0:39:36.079,0:39:40.599

bored after about you know 15 20 minutes

 

0:39:39.240,0:39:42.920

of sitting there listening to Rabbit and

 

0:39:40.599,0:39:46.240

I'm ready to go to the next stand right

 

0:39:42.920,0:39:50.560

right that's that's good stuff and and

 

0:39:46.240,0:39:52.760

my my sound sequence is very very very

 

0:39:50.560,0:39:55.440

similar um I'm going to be running

 

0:39:52.760,0:39:57.640

anywhere from three to five different

 

0:39:55.440,0:40:00.480

rabbit sounds on on a stand and it just

 

0:39:57.640,0:40:03.240

depends on the stand location it depends

 

0:40:00.480,0:40:05.040

on if I think that I for sure have got a

 

0:40:03.240,0:40:06.480

cat in there if I think I for sure got a

 

0:40:05.040,0:40:08.520

cat in there I'll run up to five

 

0:40:06.480,0:40:13.200

different sounds and it be about a

 

0:40:08.520,0:40:16.760

25 minute stand or so um the main

 

0:40:13.200,0:40:20.440

difference in my stand my sound sequence

 

0:40:16.760,0:40:22.240

versus Corey's is is I'm I'm doing that

 

0:40:20.440,0:40:24.160

four to 6 minutes it's usually around

 

0:40:22.240,0:40:26.720

four or five minutes what I'll run each

 

0:40:24.160,0:40:28.520

sound through but instead of rolling

 

0:40:26.720,0:40:30.280

right into that next sound like Cory

 

0:40:28.520,0:40:33.480

does the only difference for me and it's

 

0:40:30.280,0:40:37.440

just just personal preference um I do a

 

0:40:33.480,0:40:40.800

short pause but it's short it's like 20

 

0:40:37.440,0:40:44.960

seconds 30 seconds 40 seconds Max of a

 

0:40:40.800,0:40:46.960

pause in between uh changing sounds and

 

0:40:44.960,0:40:48.760

then go right into the next sound and

 

0:40:46.960,0:40:52.400

usually I'm starting off with usually

 

0:40:48.760,0:40:54.760

I'm starting off with um Ki Cotton Tail

 

0:40:52.400,0:40:57.079

or Eastern Cotton Tail sometimes baby

 

0:40:54.760,0:40:58.920

Cotton Tail but usually it's going to be

 

0:40:57.079,0:41:01.839

you know 80% of the time it's going to

 

0:40:58.920,0:41:05.240

start off with Ki then the other 20% of

 

0:41:01.839,0:41:07.520

the time or you know 15 17% of the time

 

0:41:05.240,0:41:10.040

it's going to be eastern cottontail but

 

0:41:07.520,0:41:12.920

I always save and it's just something

 

0:41:10.040,0:41:15.160

that's just happened over the last two

 

0:41:12.920,0:41:16.560

or three years and another reason it's

 

0:41:15.160,0:41:18.640

only happened the last couple years is

 

0:41:16.560,0:41:21.480

because the sound that the sound hasn't

 

0:41:18.640,0:41:23.560

been out forever and that is uh my

 

0:41:21.480,0:41:25.760

usually my second sound in the sequence

 

0:41:23.560,0:41:28.599

is Mrs MC Cotton Tail and there's a

 

0:41:25.760,0:41:31.680

reason moved it there one thing I've

 

0:41:28.599,0:41:33.560

noticed with Bobcats over the last few

 

0:41:31.680,0:41:36.359

years with all the cats that we put on

 

0:41:33.560,0:41:38.200

film a lot of times these cats are

 

0:41:36.359,0:41:41.160

actually showing up and closing in and

 

0:41:38.200,0:41:43.000

on the call when I change sounds it's on

 

0:41:41.160,0:41:46.920

that sound change so I'm killing a lot

 

0:41:43.000,0:41:49.720

of these cats at that four five six s

 

0:41:46.920,0:41:52.280

minute Mark and it's it's like a minute

 

0:41:49.720,0:41:55.560

or two after I've changed sounds so I'll

 

0:41:52.280,0:41:58.160

run say Ki Cottontail first sound I'm

 

0:41:55.560,0:42:00.800

start playing I'll run it for four

 

0:41:58.160,0:42:02.680

minutes I'll take a short pause for at

 

0:42:00.800,0:42:05.640

20 to 40 seconds and then I go right

 

0:42:02.680,0:42:08.599

into Mrs MC Cotton Tail and right here's

 

0:42:05.640,0:42:10.200

a kicker I don't know what it is I don't

 

0:42:08.599,0:42:12.200

know if it's it's something about that

 

0:42:10.200,0:42:14.119

pause and then going into that second

 

0:42:12.200,0:42:16.720

sound it seems like it triggers them I

 

0:42:14.119,0:42:18.760

think they started coming to KI or

 

0:42:16.720,0:42:20.680

whatever that first sound I played it

 

0:42:18.760,0:42:23.000

could be Eastern Cotton Tail but they

 

0:42:20.680,0:42:25.760

started coming and slowed down or

 

0:42:23.000,0:42:28.000

whatever and then I hit pause and it

 

0:42:25.760,0:42:29.880

almost like they think they've lost that

 

0:42:28.000,0:42:32.240

rabbit or whatever goes through their

 

0:42:29.880,0:42:34.200

mind and then when you hit Mrs motton

 

0:42:32.240,0:42:35.920

tail which has got a different Rhythm

 

0:42:34.200,0:42:38.319

it's got a different tone it's just a

 

0:42:35.920,0:42:39.640

little bit different sound and it just

 

0:42:38.319,0:42:41.160

like it creates a little bit of

 

0:42:39.640,0:42:43.440

excitement in them and they come rushing

 

0:42:41.160,0:42:45.800

on in and that's where we kill a lot of

 

0:42:43.440,0:42:47.280

our Bobcats but if they don't show up on

 

0:42:45.800,0:42:50.200

that second sound again I'm going to

 

0:42:47.280,0:42:52.599

play it for four five six minutes do

 

0:42:50.200,0:42:55.640

another pause and then go into a third

 

0:42:52.599,0:42:57.040

rabbit sound run it and just the same

 

0:42:55.640,0:42:58.720

thing all the way way up through maybe

 

0:42:57.040,0:43:00.480

five sounds and it depends on the stand

 

0:42:58.720,0:43:03.839

so usually I'm starting off with like kg

 

0:43:00.480,0:43:06.559

Cotton Tail four to six minutes a short

 

0:43:03.839,0:43:09.160

20 to 40 second pause then going right

 

0:43:06.559,0:43:12.640

into Mrs motton tail again four to 6

 

0:43:09.160,0:43:15.119

minutes 20 to 40 second pause and then

 

0:43:12.640,0:43:18.240

my third sound will be like Eastern

 

0:43:15.119,0:43:21.040

Cotton Tail right or adult Cotton Tail

 

0:43:18.240,0:43:22.720

is another good sound DSG Cotton Tail

 

0:43:21.040,0:43:25.599

you just mentioned that we haven't

 

0:43:22.720,0:43:27.599

talked much about over you know last SE

 

0:43:25.599,0:43:30.040

well any podcast really it's a great

 

0:43:27.599,0:43:32.319

sound it's a odor sound but it is a

 

0:43:30.040,0:43:35.079

great call you know sound for Bobcats

 

0:43:32.319,0:43:36.640

and coyes but then if I don't get

 

0:43:35.079,0:43:38.400

nothing to those cotton Tails this is

 

0:43:36.640,0:43:40.599

where I really start increasing in my

 

0:43:38.400,0:43:43.319

intensity my fourth sound might be a

 

0:43:40.599,0:43:44.960

snowshoe sound like Snowshoe hair HP and

 

0:43:43.319,0:43:46.880

my fifth sound will be like Lightning

 

0:43:44.960,0:43:49.720

Jack so what's going on I'm kind of

 

0:43:46.880,0:43:51.720

increasing in intensity with each sound

 

0:43:49.720,0:43:54.119

as I progress throughout the stand kind

 

0:43:51.720,0:43:56.079

of like what I mentioned before and but

 

0:43:54.119,0:44:00.359

usually I'm killing all my Bobcats with

 

0:43:56.079,0:44:04.280

in 8 minutes um I have killed Bobcats at

 

0:44:00.359,0:44:07.599

that 15 and 20 and 25 minute Mark but

 

0:44:04.280,0:44:10.280

man over 80% of them maybe 90% of them

 

0:44:07.599,0:44:12.160

is in the first 80 or first uh first

 

0:44:10.280,0:44:14.440

eight minutes it's either to that first

 

0:44:12.160,0:44:17.359

rabbit sound I play or is that second

 

0:44:14.440,0:44:20.079

rabbit sound I play yes and I think that

 

0:44:17.359,0:44:24.079

all depend that all has to do with with

 

0:44:20.079,0:44:26.640

picking your stand location and crowding

 

0:44:24.079,0:44:30.240

those areas you know more than what you

 

0:44:26.640,0:44:31.960

would you know like a kot stand so I and

 

0:44:30.240,0:44:33.559

you got to cut the distance on a cat

 

0:44:31.960,0:44:35.880

because they don't want to travel too

 

0:44:33.559,0:44:38.640

you know that far right so those are the

 

0:44:35.880,0:44:41.440

reasons why I think John you and I are

 

0:44:38.640,0:44:43.480

seeing call-ins you know at less than 10

 

0:44:41.440,0:44:45.640

minutes is we're we're really crowding

 

0:44:43.480,0:44:47.920

those areas right and that's the reason

 

0:44:45.640,0:44:50.280

we started this podcast out with I think

 

0:44:47.920,0:44:52.280

there's some things that are that are

 

0:44:50.280,0:44:55.200

often overlooked and that is your stand

 

0:44:52.280,0:44:56.880

selection and your setup if you're if

 

0:44:55.200,0:45:00.079

you're

 

0:44:56.880,0:45:01.760

picking high percentage stand locations

 

0:45:00.079,0:45:03.920

and you're setting up

 

0:45:01.760,0:45:05.599

properly you're finding cats you're

 

0:45:03.920,0:45:08.359

setting up on them close crowding them

 

0:45:05.599,0:45:10.079

good rest of your set up as solid far as

 

0:45:08.359,0:45:11.960

how you got your call placed your wind

 

0:45:10.079,0:45:13.400

direction all that type of stuff that's

 

0:45:11.960,0:45:14.920

when you start throwing in your sounds

 

0:45:13.400,0:45:17.240

and your sequences and if you're on

 

0:45:14.920,0:45:19.440

those cats you're going to call them in

 

0:45:17.240,0:45:21.839

yes they're they're not as hard to call

 

0:45:19.440,0:45:23.200

in as a lot of people think a lot of

 

0:45:21.839,0:45:26.280

them is kind of like a lot of hunters

 

0:45:23.200,0:45:27.880

think a cat is is some kind of mythical

 

0:45:26.280,0:45:29.040

creature that's so much harder to call

 

0:45:27.880,0:45:30.720

in but they're not I actually think

 

0:45:29.040,0:45:34.000

they're easier to call in than a coyot

 

0:45:30.720,0:45:37.160

is I think so too especially once you

 

0:45:34.000,0:45:39.880

once you you know put the put the work

 

0:45:37.160,0:45:43.680

in like you and I have done break down

 

0:45:39.880,0:45:45.839

these stands find the scat prow these

 

0:45:43.680,0:45:47.880

areas I think the success rate will

 

0:45:45.839,0:45:50.680

really go up on a lot you know on a lot

 

0:45:47.880,0:45:52.640

of these stands for these guys and and I

 

0:45:50.680,0:45:55.119

I I agree I think they're they're pretty

 

0:45:52.640,0:45:57.280

easy to call in and you know I'm not

 

0:45:55.119,0:45:59.240

boasting you know I I'm not boasting

 

0:45:57.280,0:46:01.280

because we kill a lot of bobcats I think

 

0:45:59.240,0:46:04.559

we've just you know we we've got a lot

 

0:46:01.280,0:46:07.160

of experience doing it right you know oh

 

0:46:04.559,0:46:08.520

yeah and and just to kind of tie all

 

0:46:07.160,0:46:11.440

this stuff we're talking about to kind

 

0:46:08.520,0:46:14.599

of tie it in to show you how it can work

 

0:46:11.440,0:46:16.880

for you my first bobcat of this season

 

0:46:14.599,0:46:20.040

uh kuy's Bobcat season come in it

 

0:46:16.880,0:46:21.800

actually comes in during our rifle deer

 

0:46:20.040,0:46:23.200

season I don't never hunt them during

 

0:46:21.800,0:46:24.880

that deer season because we got so many

 

0:46:23.200,0:46:26.760

deer hunters out there and you got to go

 

0:46:24.880,0:46:28.359

wear orange if you to chase them so I

 

0:46:26.760,0:46:30.599

wait for the season to go out you know

 

0:46:28.359,0:46:33.119

the deer season to go out as soon as

 

0:46:30.599,0:46:34.800

it's out if I've got the weather I'm

 

0:46:33.119,0:46:37.240

hunting them that next day you know at

 

0:46:34.800,0:46:39.640

first day after rifle season goes out

 

0:46:37.240,0:46:42.480

and uh me and my cousin David Reed which

 

0:46:39.640,0:46:44.160

you know very well he actually owns a

 

0:46:42.480,0:46:47.920

piece of property that he was deer

 

0:46:44.160,0:46:49.720

hunting heavy he he tagged his buck he

 

0:46:47.920,0:46:52.119

was done deer hunting but of course like

 

0:46:49.720,0:46:54.240

I said we don't you know Bobcat season

 

0:46:52.119,0:46:56.760

came in but we kind of held off waited

 

0:46:54.240,0:46:59.119

for the rifle season to go out for deer

 

0:46:56.760,0:47:01.640

but anyway while he was scouting

 

0:46:59.119,0:47:04.640

throughout deer season he got tons of

 

0:47:01.640,0:47:06.000

pictures of a great big old Tom Bobcat

 

0:47:04.640,0:47:07.520

we didn't know it was a Tom but just

 

0:47:06.000,0:47:09.160

going off the size of it was was pretty

 

0:47:07.520,0:47:11.480

sure it was a Tom I mean he was pretty

 

0:47:09.160,0:47:14.280

consistent get him just every few days

 

0:47:11.480,0:47:16.839

so we knew exactly where we were going

 

0:47:14.280,0:47:19.040

to go call he's got this uh he's got

 

0:47:16.839,0:47:20.800

this little draw system runs on the back

 

0:47:19.040,0:47:22.520

side of his property that's where you

 

0:47:20.800,0:47:23.960

had a couple trail cameras at and

 

0:47:22.520,0:47:26.119

consistently getting pictures of this

 

0:47:23.960,0:47:28.280

cat so we went in there on that first

 

0:47:26.119,0:47:31.040

few days of the Season knew exactly

 

0:47:28.280,0:47:33.280

where we want to set up got in there got

 

0:47:31.040,0:47:36.559

the calling and man it worked out really

 

0:47:33.280,0:47:39.280

well we had a pretty good idea where the

 

0:47:36.559,0:47:41.319

cat would be held up in this draw system

 

0:47:39.280,0:47:43.720

we keyed in on that area slipped down

 

0:47:41.319,0:47:46.079

there got set up as tight as we could to

 

0:47:43.720,0:47:48.680

the cover we actually set up on the edge

 

0:47:46.079,0:47:51.880

of the cover and actually placed her

 

0:47:48.680,0:47:53.559

call out into a wide open soybean field

 

0:47:51.880,0:47:55.040

okay that had just been cut so it just

 

0:47:53.559,0:47:58.520

looked like a desert out there but we

 

0:47:55.040,0:48:00.400

only had to call set up about 50 or 60

 

0:47:58.520,0:48:04.079

yards away from the

 

0:48:00.400,0:48:06.520

thicket and guess what we got to Colin

 

0:48:04.079,0:48:08.040

went through Ki Cotton Tail actually

 

0:48:06.520,0:48:09.839

went through I played Eastern Cotton

 

0:48:08.040,0:48:11.839

Tail first on this stand played Eastern

 

0:48:09.839,0:48:14.680

Cotton Tail played it for four

 

0:48:11.839,0:48:17.280

minutes I took a short pause went right

 

0:48:14.680,0:48:20.559

into Mrs MC Cotton Tail and right down

 

0:48:17.280,0:48:23.520

in front of me right on the edge of this

 

0:48:20.559,0:48:25.400

Thicket I seen a little bit of movement

 

0:48:23.520,0:48:27.119

and I started to say something to David

 

0:48:25.400,0:48:28.640

he was filming for me I started say you

 

0:48:27.119,0:48:30.599

know telling hey I there's something

 

0:48:28.640,0:48:32.119

down here moving I don't know what it is

 

0:48:30.599,0:48:34.119

then all a sudden what happened was it

 

0:48:32.119,0:48:36.599

was the cat just on the edge of the edge

 

0:48:34.119,0:48:38.760

of the cover but what happened he turned

 

0:48:36.599,0:48:40.480

his head to the left and when he turned

 

0:48:38.760,0:48:43.040

his head to the left I caught that

 

0:48:40.480,0:48:45.119

movement and then I saw those white

 

0:48:43.040,0:48:47.160

patches on the back of their ears every

 

0:48:45.119,0:48:49.040

Bobcat got white patches on the back of

 

0:48:47.160,0:48:50.680

their ear as soon as I seen that I just

 

0:48:49.040,0:48:53.160

turned my head over my right shoulder

 

0:48:50.680,0:48:55.240

said bobcat bobcat bobcat bobcat right

 

0:48:53.160,0:48:57.559

here you know and then the rest is

 

0:48:55.240,0:49:00.520

history that sucker come creeping right

 

0:48:57.559,0:49:03.559

out there into the wide open this desert

 

0:49:00.520,0:49:05.559

looking uh cut soybean field that ain't

 

0:49:03.559,0:49:08.240

gotten the highest vegetation in it

 

0:49:05.559,0:49:11.559

ain't even an inch tall that cat walked

 

0:49:08.240,0:49:13.559

out there 35 yards from the cover sat

 

0:49:11.559,0:49:15.960

down right in front of that x24 and we

 

0:49:13.559,0:49:18.839

put one right in his shoulder a 30 plus

 

0:49:15.960,0:49:22.079

pound Bobcat broad daylight broad

 

0:49:18.839,0:49:25.079

daylight awesome stand that's awesome

 

0:49:22.079,0:49:27.040

awesome Stan now tell us I want to hear

 

0:49:25.079,0:49:28.839

about you you did kill a cat just a few

 

0:49:27.040,0:49:30.400

days ago looked like it was a pretty

 

0:49:28.839,0:49:31.280

good cat as well won you walk us through

 

0:49:30.400,0:49:35.319

that

 

0:49:31.280,0:49:37.400

stand well uh it was a really windy

 

0:49:35.319,0:49:39.640

windy day like I said earlier in this

 

0:49:37.400,0:49:42.480

podcast we've had a lot of wind for

 

0:49:39.640,0:49:46.079

whatever reason uh seems you know kind

 

0:49:42.480,0:49:48.920

of unseasonable for the win this time of

 

0:49:46.079,0:49:51.319

year but uh got out there made my first

 

0:49:48.920,0:49:54.559

stand which was actually a coyot stand

 

0:49:51.319,0:49:58.599

didn't call anything in and I I didn't

 

0:49:54.559,0:50:00.240

move John I moved maybe 4 or 500 yards

 

0:49:58.599,0:50:03.720

back to the north I just called this

 

0:50:00.240,0:50:05.640

holler out but at the end of this holler

 

0:50:03.720,0:50:08.680

is just exactly what we've been talking

 

0:50:05.640,0:50:11.160

about what I'm looking for good brush

 

0:50:08.680,0:50:13.000

all the way around ridg toop with a draw

 

0:50:11.160,0:50:16.839

system minute little bit of water there

 

0:50:13.000,0:50:19.839

there was actually a farm pond there and

 

0:50:16.839,0:50:22.200

got down to my my uh location that I

 

0:50:19.839,0:50:24.720

wanted to sit at had a good back

 

0:50:22.200,0:50:27.040

backdrop went out set my call out

 

0:50:24.720,0:50:29.119

actually on this stand I set my call out

 

0:50:27.040,0:50:32.160

a little bit further because I had had a

 

0:50:29.119,0:50:34.880

draw that was just kind of goofy I I was

 

0:50:32.160,0:50:37.119

afraid to get get the call too close to

 

0:50:34.880,0:50:39.680

me and not being able to see underneath

 

0:50:37.119,0:50:42.559

the the foot of this this hill that I

 

0:50:39.680,0:50:46.040

was sitting on so actually moved my call

 

0:50:42.559,0:50:47.079

out about another 25 30 yards over on a

 

0:50:46.040,0:50:51.520

opposite

 

0:50:47.079,0:50:54.440

rid uh started calling right right right

 

0:50:51.520,0:50:57.000

off the bat went in Mrs motton tail and

 

0:50:54.440,0:50:59.559

actually I was getting just getting

 

0:50:57.000,0:51:02.880

ready to switch the sound I actually had

 

0:50:59.559,0:51:05.799

turned the sound down on Mrs MC Cotton

 

0:51:02.880,0:51:09.640

Tail and was looking for KI and I looked

 

0:51:05.799,0:51:11.200

up on the Ridge across the uh Bob wire

 

0:51:09.640,0:51:14.319

fence there was a bob wire fence that

 

0:51:11.200,0:51:17.480

run up the hill adjacent to where the

 

0:51:14.319,0:51:19.400

brush was at and I caught some movement

 

0:51:17.480,0:51:21.720

reached down grabbed my binoculars

 

0:51:19.400,0:51:25.040

looked up there sure enough Bobcat

 

0:51:21.720,0:51:28.000

sitting up there so what I did is I went

 

0:51:25.040,0:51:29.599

ahead and R ramp my sound back up from

 

0:51:28.000,0:51:33.559

where it was at it was probably around

 

0:51:29.599,0:51:36.160

that 14 level on the volume went ahead

 

0:51:33.559,0:51:38.280

and ramped it back up to around 20 once

 

0:51:36.160,0:51:40.720

I seen the cat start moving I turned

 

0:51:38.280,0:51:43.000

that sound all the way back down and I

 

0:51:40.720,0:51:46.359

did I got this down all the way down to

 

0:51:43.000,0:51:49.480

probably about 12 10 or 12 and the cat

 

0:51:46.359,0:51:51.680

never stopped come across the fence row

 

0:51:49.480,0:51:54.960

got down in that draw system actually

 

0:51:51.680,0:51:57.319

started running once he seen the X decoy

 

0:51:54.960,0:52:01.240

once he seen that X decoy he he started

 

0:51:57.319,0:52:04.079

running up the hill and then it was like

 

0:52:01.240,0:52:06.599

he hit a brick wall he just stopped and

 

0:52:04.079,0:52:08.599

it was just step after step after step

 

0:52:06.599,0:52:12.119

and he did that for probably about 30

 

0:52:08.599,0:52:15.000

yards and once I could see the the

 

0:52:12.119,0:52:17.520

actual fox Pro and the X decoy and the

 

0:52:15.000,0:52:19.599

camera screen and the cat in the same

 

0:52:17.520,0:52:21.480

frame I decided to go ahead and and

 

0:52:19.599,0:52:24.400

shoot that cat it's time to do something

 

0:52:21.480,0:52:27.000

with him man yeah it was it was a very

 

0:52:24.400,0:52:28.839

very awesome call in good cat took him

 

0:52:27.000,0:52:31.200

back home I didn't didn't have the scale

 

0:52:28.839,0:52:34.319

with me at the time but he he he come

 

0:52:31.200,0:52:36.240

off the scale at 27.6 pound so he was a

 

0:52:34.319,0:52:39.920

real good cat that's a lot of Fel line

 

0:52:36.240,0:52:41.359

right there yes it is awesome awesome I

 

0:52:39.920,0:52:46.200

wish I was there to share it with you s

 

0:52:41.359,0:52:49.079

like a fun stand U I've got uh some

 

0:52:46.200,0:52:50.680

bobcat myths I want to cover real quick

 

0:52:49.079,0:52:52.119

we'll bounce through these real quick

 

0:52:50.680,0:52:54.040

it's going to be about three or four of

 

0:52:52.119,0:52:56.480

them that I think be good to touch on

 

0:52:54.040,0:52:59.640

before we get out of here but the

 

0:52:56.480,0:53:02.440

first bobcat myth or something that's a

 

0:52:59.640,0:53:05.880

common misconception I think is number

 

0:53:02.440,0:53:09.079

one is Bobcats always sneak

 

0:53:05.880,0:53:10.839

in yes you will see a lot of B bobcats

 

0:53:09.079,0:53:13.599

come belly crawling into the call

 

0:53:10.839,0:53:15.920

sneaking come very very slow but I've

 

0:53:13.599,0:53:17.960

called in many of bobcats that'll run in

 

0:53:15.920,0:53:19.720

just as fast as any coyote I've ever

 

0:53:17.960,0:53:21.480

called in I mean they could come

 

0:53:19.720,0:53:24.319

charging in like crazy have you seen the

 

0:53:21.480,0:53:26.119

same thing Cory oh absolutely in

 

0:53:24.319,0:53:27.760

multiple times

 

0:53:26.119,0:53:29.200

uh and I'm sure it has to do with

 

0:53:27.760,0:53:33.440

weather you know if we've had a lot of

 

0:53:29.200,0:53:35.680

cold or how hungry that cat is but yeah

 

0:53:33.440,0:53:37.160

I've I've they've tricked me sometimes

 

0:53:35.680,0:53:39.119

well just like the story I was telling

 

0:53:37.160,0:53:40.880

you about the cat that I missed when I

 

0:53:39.119,0:53:43.160

first seen that cat he was running he

 

0:53:40.880,0:53:45.960

was running hard I thought it was a I

 

0:53:43.160,0:53:48.640

thought it was a Kyle yep so yeah that

 

0:53:45.960,0:53:51.480

myth there is to me is busted and they

 

0:53:48.640,0:53:53.559

don't always sneak yep and and just to

 

0:53:51.480,0:53:55.960

go right off that my second cat of this

 

0:53:53.559,0:53:58.599

season I actually called I actually got

 

0:53:55.960,0:54:02.079

down into a Thicket that I usually don't

 

0:53:58.599,0:54:04.359

do a whole lot of to call this cat um it

 

0:54:02.079,0:54:05.599

was a buddy of mine it's that owns a

 

0:54:04.359,0:54:06.920

piece of property and the reason he's

 

0:54:05.599,0:54:09.160

bought this property is the deer hunt

 

0:54:06.920,0:54:12.799

it's a really good deer hunting property

 

0:54:09.160,0:54:14.960

it's got uh it's got two major thickets

 

0:54:12.799,0:54:17.599

on on the play and in between those two

 

0:54:14.960,0:54:19.880

thickets he got some Loosely broken up

 

0:54:17.599,0:54:23.520

smaller fields that he puts food plots

 

0:54:19.880,0:54:25.599

in well he sent me a picture late in the

 

0:54:23.520,0:54:27.440

afternoon it was still daylight of a

 

0:54:25.599,0:54:29.920

bobcat that had come out of a Thicket

 

0:54:27.440,0:54:32.119

he's got it set on a trail that goes

 

0:54:29.920,0:54:34.240

from one piece of cover to another he

 

0:54:32.119,0:54:36.720

sent me a a trail camera picture of a

 

0:54:34.240,0:54:38.839

bobcat leaving one Thicket and was

 

0:54:36.720,0:54:41.480

headed to the other Thicket this was in

 

0:54:38.839,0:54:43.119

the afternoon so I said heck I bet I can

 

0:54:41.480,0:54:45.040

get on that cat to follow morning he's

 

0:54:43.119,0:54:47.799

going to be in that other Thicket more

 

0:54:45.040,0:54:49.240

than likely so I went in there got right

 

0:54:47.799,0:54:51.319

down in that thick that Thicket had been

 

0:54:49.240,0:54:53.000

logged it's it's a block of woods been

 

0:54:51.319,0:54:55.079

logged a few years ago so it's got a

 

0:54:53.000,0:54:57.280

couple really nice Trails I mean good

 

0:54:55.079,0:54:58.520

Trails that's been up being kept up real

 

0:54:57.280,0:55:00.200

good you can actually Drive Your Truck

 

0:54:58.520,0:55:02.160

through them but there's a section where

 

0:55:00.200,0:55:03.960

there's two Trails actually crossed kind

 

0:55:02.160,0:55:05.480

of down towards the bottom and I already

 

0:55:03.960,0:55:07.119

had my mind I'm going to get down there

 

0:55:05.480,0:55:08.440

where those Trails intersect I'm going

 

0:55:07.119,0:55:11.760

to go in there with the shotgun and see

 

0:55:08.440,0:55:14.960

if I can't call up at cat and sure

 

0:55:11.760,0:55:17.160

enough again the Cat come in on a sound

 

0:55:14.960,0:55:18.720

change on my second sound but when I

 

0:55:17.160,0:55:20.160

seen him running down one of them

 

0:55:18.720,0:55:22.760

logging roads that's what he was doing

 

0:55:20.160,0:55:26.319

was running he sprinted all the way up

 

0:55:22.760,0:55:27.880

to within about 20 steps of my x24 andx

 

0:55:26.319,0:55:29.480

decoy and I burned him down with a 20

 

0:55:27.880,0:55:31.599

gauge shotgun I mean come running in

 

0:55:29.480,0:55:34.440

just like a

 

0:55:31.599,0:55:36.039

Coy a shotgun I didn't I didn't think

 

0:55:34.440,0:55:38.520

I'd hear that from you you haven't used

 

0:55:36.039,0:55:40.359

a shotgun in in quite a few years the

 

0:55:38.520,0:55:42.359

funny thing is the last time I'd ever

 

0:55:40.359,0:55:43.880

used a shot gun on a predator stand I

 

0:55:42.359,0:55:45.400

caught in a bobcat and the thing got

 

0:55:43.880,0:55:47.640

away from me and I kind of swore them

 

0:55:45.400,0:55:49.760

off for the time for the time being but

 

0:55:47.640,0:55:51.520

this this situation just just called for

 

0:55:49.760,0:55:55.280

it my furthest shot was going to be 50

 

0:55:51.520,0:55:57.599

yards so why not right that's right and

 

0:55:55.280,0:55:59.680

I always keep one handy in the truck

 

0:55:57.599,0:56:01.960

just in case I find areas like that I'm

 

0:55:59.680,0:56:03.440

not a big shotgun guy either when it

 

0:56:01.960,0:56:06.000

comes to Predators I know there's a lot

 

0:56:03.440,0:56:09.440

of guys out there that do but I'm I'm

 

0:56:06.000,0:56:11.440

more of a rifle guy but uh yeah you gota

 

0:56:09.440,0:56:16.359

you gota you got to have one handy just

 

0:56:11.440,0:56:19.200

in case Bobcat myth number two Bobcats

 

0:56:16.359,0:56:22.000

always take their time coming to the

 

0:56:19.200,0:56:23.799

call this is something that I've seen

 

0:56:22.000,0:56:25.960

again I've seen this wrote in many

 

0:56:23.799,0:56:29.520

articles people talk about making these

 

0:56:25.960,0:56:32.520

45 minute hour long hour and 15 minute

 

0:56:29.520,0:56:34.000

long Bobcat stands hey if you don't have

 

0:56:32.520,0:56:35.680

many stands to make and you want to

 

0:56:34.000,0:56:38.760

sitting there for an hour and call by

 

0:56:35.680,0:56:41.200

all means do it can you call one up on a

 

0:56:38.760,0:56:42.720

60-minute mark of course you can of

 

0:56:41.200,0:56:44.920

course you can and maybe I'm walking

 

0:56:42.720,0:56:46.880

away from some Bobcats but what I said

 

0:56:44.920,0:56:48.400

earlier most of the time if you're

 

0:56:46.880,0:56:49.799

setting up properly and you're setting

 

0:56:48.400,0:56:51.520

up tight on cats you're going to be

 

0:56:49.799,0:56:53.160

calling them cats in pretty quick

 

0:56:51.520,0:56:54.599

there's been many a bobcat that I've

 

0:56:53.160,0:56:57.079

killed in the first one minute and two

 

0:56:54.599,0:57:00.000

minutes of my of my stand setup they

 

0:56:57.079,0:57:01.680

don't always take forever to come in you

 

0:57:00.000,0:57:03.000

can call them in just as quick or

 

0:57:01.680,0:57:07.280

quicker than a

 

0:57:03.000,0:57:09.359

c I agree I I definitely agree and I you

 

0:57:07.280,0:57:12.480

know I had this question brought up to

 

0:57:09.359,0:57:17.319

me last year actually by a conservation

 

0:57:12.480,0:57:19.079

agent um my son and I was in a in a

 

0:57:17.319,0:57:21.920

coyote contest and actually it's a

 

0:57:19.079,0:57:24.480

predator contest kill any any uh

 

0:57:21.920,0:57:28.119

predator in this contest my son and I

 

0:57:24.480,0:57:30.720

actually killed four bobcats in one day

 

0:57:28.119,0:57:32.599

and conservation agent was going to tag

 

0:57:30.720,0:57:34.440

one of the Bobcats for me cuz I was

 

0:57:32.599,0:57:37.440

actually going to take it to the taxer

 

0:57:34.440,0:57:39.200

so we were out there he was taking all

 

0:57:37.440,0:57:41.760

my information down to put on the tag

 

0:57:39.200,0:57:43.440

and he says uh you got a lot more

 

0:57:41.760,0:57:45.839

patience than the rest of these guys and

 

0:57:43.440,0:57:47.160

I said why is that he said well there

 

0:57:45.839,0:57:49.200

ain't no telling how long it took some

 

0:57:47.160,0:57:52.119

of them Bobcats to come in and I

 

0:57:49.200,0:57:55.280

said I said sir I said none of these

 

0:57:52.119,0:57:57.319

Bobcats was over eight minutes call in

 

0:57:55.280,0:58:00.520

and kill and I still don't think he

 

0:57:57.319,0:58:03.079

believes me today that is that is the

 

0:58:00.520,0:58:05.680

God's honest truth all those Bobcats we

 

0:58:03.079,0:58:07.280

killed in one day four of them were all

 

0:58:05.680,0:58:09.039

less than eight minutes yeah I think

 

0:58:07.280,0:58:10.920

it's just one of those common

 

0:58:09.039,0:58:12.920

misconceptions and I think a lot of

 

0:58:10.920,0:58:14.680

times and I've said this before and I've

 

0:58:12.920,0:58:16.760

said this I mean I've said this multiple

 

0:58:14.680,0:58:18.480

times I think a lot of times when you

 

0:58:16.760,0:58:20.240

hear about people killing even for

 

0:58:18.480,0:58:23.039

myself you hear about these people

 

0:58:20.240,0:58:25.480

killing these cats at 20 25 and 30

 

0:58:23.039,0:58:28.359

minutes well the thing is that cat was

 

0:58:25.480,0:58:31.000

probably there way before that 30 minute

 

0:58:28.359,0:58:33.400

Mark you just never saw it I've actually

 

0:58:31.000,0:58:35.559

had this happen before you know get up

 

0:58:33.400,0:58:37.720

there to about 15 minutes and all a

 

0:58:35.559,0:58:38.880

sudden dang there's a d on Bobcat right

 

0:58:37.720,0:58:41.079

in front of me where did that thing come

 

0:58:38.880,0:58:42.960

from well that thing could have been

 

0:58:41.079,0:58:44.599

been within range for no telling how

 

0:58:42.960,0:58:47.480

long I just never did catch it they just

 

0:58:44.599,0:58:49.640

blend in so well if you're close to a

 

0:58:47.480,0:58:54.039

bobcat he's more than likely he's going

 

0:58:49.640,0:58:56.000

to show up rather quickly but um and I

 

0:58:54.039,0:58:59.119

think some of that myth John comes from

 

0:58:56.000,0:59:01.440

a lot of lot of Western Hunters too I I

 

0:58:59.119,0:59:04.440

will have to add that as a note on on

 

0:59:01.440,0:59:06.559

that uh there it's big difference

 

0:59:04.440,0:59:09.240

calling in our type type of terrain to

 

0:59:06.559,0:59:10.799

calling in that terrain uh cats got to

 

0:59:09.240,0:59:13.839

cover a lot more ground if he wants to

 

0:59:10.799,0:59:15.760

come out and eat that eat that rabbit so

 

0:59:13.839,0:59:19.039

I think I think some of that myth has

 

0:59:15.760,0:59:21.520

come from you know Western type Hunters

 

0:59:19.039,0:59:23.839

um I'm not saying that you and I

 

0:59:21.520,0:59:26.280

couldn't go out west find a location and

 

0:59:23.839,0:59:28.880

call one in and5 minutes but I think

 

0:59:26.280,0:59:30.520

guys hunting out there coyotes you know

 

0:59:28.880,0:59:32.000

they they see those cats coming from a

 

0:59:30.520,0:59:33.559

long distance and it just takes them

 

0:59:32.000,0:59:35.640

that long to get there some sometimes

 

0:59:33.559,0:59:37.160

well and that's and I'm not telling guys

 

0:59:35.640,0:59:39.520

listen here I'm not telling you just to

 

0:59:37.160,0:59:41.760

make a eight minute stand because that's

 

0:59:39.520,0:59:43.319

when you're go ahead if you want to set

 

0:59:41.760,0:59:44.920

there for 30 minutes set there for 30

 

0:59:43.319,0:59:47.280

minutes and you could kill them on a 30

 

0:59:44.920,0:59:48.880

minute Mark I do think that is another

 

0:59:47.280,0:59:51.559

situation that comes up just kind of

 

0:59:48.880,0:59:53.760

feeding off what you said there Corey

 

0:59:51.559,0:59:57.200

and you said it earlier some of these

 

0:59:53.760,0:59:59.160

Bobcats we'll travel great distances uh

 

0:59:57.200,1:00:00.359

you know in their travel pattern and

 

0:59:59.160,1:00:01.280

sometimes them things will be traveling

 

1:00:00.359,1:00:03.480

right in the middle of the day they're

 

1:00:01.280,1:00:06.039

not always just traveling at night so

 

1:00:03.480,1:00:08.920

there is those situations where it took

 

1:00:06.039,1:00:10.359

a cat was on his feet moving around and

 

1:00:08.920,1:00:12.680

he didn't get to where he could actually

 

1:00:10.359,1:00:15.480

hear your sound from your Fox Pro until

 

1:00:12.680,1:00:17.000

that 25 minute Mark so then he comes

 

1:00:15.480,1:00:18.640

rushing in and you're like guess what

 

1:00:17.000,1:00:20.799

you killed that Bobcat out on the 28

 

1:00:18.640,1:00:22.359

minute mark it didn't really take him it

 

1:00:20.799,1:00:24.039

might not have took him 28 minutes to

 

1:00:22.359,1:00:25.839

come in it only took him 3 minutes to

 

1:00:24.039,1:00:27.760

come in but took him 25 minutes to get

 

1:00:25.839,1:00:29.960

where he could hear the sound if it

 

1:00:27.760,1:00:33.000

makes sense so yeah well I'm sure

 

1:00:29.960,1:00:36.359

there's all kinds of variables you know

 

1:00:33.000,1:00:39.160

yeah yeah you know but uh for me and I

 

1:00:36.359,1:00:41.160

know for you yeah they're there seem to

 

1:00:39.160,1:00:43.319

be pretty quick to the call yep usually

 

1:00:41.160,1:00:45.960

I'm making a 25 minute stand and I

 

1:00:43.319,1:00:47.400

rarely kill them at 25 minutes I have

 

1:00:45.960,1:00:50.359

but most time I'm killing them in those

 

1:00:47.400,1:00:54.000

first8 10 minutes yeah so moving right

 

1:00:50.359,1:00:56.160

on our Bobcat myth number three we done

 

1:00:54.000,1:00:58.640

talked about this earlier we'll hit it

 

1:00:56.160,1:01:01.880

real quick again Bobcats don't use their

 

1:00:58.640,1:01:04.960

nose yes they can use their nose if

 

1:01:01.880,1:01:06.960

you've got a cat scouted out or you've

 

1:01:04.960,1:01:08.960

got a pretty good idea of a of a stand

 

1:01:06.960,1:01:11.920

location where you could call in a

 

1:01:08.960,1:01:13.599

Bobcat just do yourself a favor and do

 

1:01:11.920,1:01:15.359

not hunt that spot until you have the

 

1:01:13.599,1:01:17.359

win in your favor you definitely don't

 

1:01:15.359,1:01:20.400

want your wi blowing from you to where

 

1:01:17.359,1:01:22.720

that Bobcat's at exctly he can booger on

 

1:01:20.400,1:01:24.039

it not always but he can booger on it

 

1:01:22.720,1:01:26.119

and you don't want that to cost your

 

1:01:24.039,1:01:27.400

stand and plus there could be coyotes in

 

1:01:26.119,1:01:29.520

there that you might want to burn down

 

1:01:27.400,1:01:33.000

as well so always hunt the win no matter

 

1:01:29.520,1:01:34.760

what Bobcats will use their nose the

 

1:01:33.000,1:01:38.680

fourth myth and the last one we're will

 

1:01:34.760,1:01:42.039

talk about are B Bobcats are hard to

 

1:01:38.680,1:01:45.680

call in and or or you can put slash

 

1:01:42.039,1:01:47.280

Bobcats are intelligent no Bobcats

 

1:01:45.680,1:01:48.760

aren't that hard to call in I actually

 

1:01:47.280,1:01:51.440

think they're easier to call in than the

 

1:01:48.760,1:01:53.119

cat I think if you're close to a bobcat

 

1:01:51.440,1:01:54.880

and you throw out the right sounds at

 

1:01:53.119,1:01:55.839

the right time with the right volume and

 

1:01:54.880,1:01:57.720

all that stuff he's going to come

 

1:01:55.839,1:01:59.480

running in there and another thing

 

1:01:57.720,1:02:01.880

they're not that intelligent I think a

 

1:01:59.480,1:02:04.200

lot of people think that they're a super

 

1:02:01.880,1:02:06.240

smart animal because they don't call

 

1:02:04.200,1:02:07.559

many of them in probably the reason you

 

1:02:06.240,1:02:09.520

don't call many of them in because you

 

1:02:07.559,1:02:12.520

just never been all that close to them

 

1:02:09.520,1:02:14.279

okay right I think if you're on a cat

 

1:02:12.520,1:02:15.880

and you're fairly close to him and you

 

1:02:14.279,1:02:17.279

throw sounds out there he's going to

 

1:02:15.880,1:02:18.520

he's going to come in pretty easy I

 

1:02:17.279,1:02:21.200

think they call a lot easier than

 

1:02:18.520,1:02:25.680

coyotes do my personal

 

1:02:21.200,1:02:27.400

opinion anybody my op go ahead go ahead

 

1:02:25.680,1:02:29.119

all thing I was going to say is if

 

1:02:27.400,1:02:32.200

you've ever been around if you've ever

 

1:02:29.119,1:02:34.440

had pet cats and pet dogs you know which

 

1:02:32.200,1:02:36.240

one's probably the most intelligent

 

1:02:34.440,1:02:38.000

exactly a dog you can have you can teach

 

1:02:36.240,1:02:39.720

a dog to a heck of a lot more stuff than

 

1:02:38.000,1:02:42.880

you can teach a

 

1:02:39.720,1:02:47.720

cat yeah the crazy cat lady won't think

 

1:02:42.880,1:02:50.680

so but I agree but my opinion on that is

 

1:02:47.720,1:02:53.640

cats use their senses more than than

 

1:02:50.680,1:02:56.680

they use their brain and I believe that

 

1:02:53.640,1:02:59.640

wholeheartedly their their ears are are

 

1:02:56.680,1:03:01.160

number one and their eyes is number two

 

1:02:59.640,1:03:02.920

and that's what they live off of

 

1:03:01.160,1:03:05.279

everything else in between I just really

 

1:03:02.920,1:03:08.119

don't think I just really don't think

 

1:03:05.279,1:03:09.720

they use their brain I've got two more

 

1:03:08.119,1:03:13.000

questions for you then we gonna get out

 

1:03:09.720,1:03:15.200

of here Cory you ready for him yes sir

 

1:03:13.000,1:03:17.160

tell me about shot placement on a Bobcat

 

1:03:15.200,1:03:20.440

where you want to shoot him at to Anchor

 

1:03:17.160,1:03:23.520

him well that's we can go back to some

 

1:03:20.440,1:03:26.279

of our myths on this uh a lot of people

 

1:03:23.520,1:03:29.319

say you know right behind the shoulder

 

1:03:26.279,1:03:31.400

but you and I have both learned that we

 

1:03:29.319,1:03:33.559

want to Anchor those cats I shoot them

 

1:03:31.400,1:03:36.000

right through the shoulder that's where

 

1:03:33.559,1:03:39.079

my shot placement is at if I've got a

 

1:03:36.000,1:03:41.960

broadside shot uh if I got a frontal

 

1:03:39.079,1:03:45.520

shot Square chest that's where I'm

 

1:03:41.960,1:03:47.599

aiming at him yes sir I totally agree if

 

1:03:45.520,1:03:49.359

he comes right into you facing head on

 

1:03:47.599,1:03:51.200

Square him up right in the chest if he's

 

1:03:49.359,1:03:53.480

broadside try to put it through both

 

1:03:51.200,1:03:54.440

shoulders quartering away try to put it

 

1:03:53.480,1:03:56.319

in there where you're hitting the

 

1:03:54.440,1:03:57.880

offside shoulder the same thing if he's

 

1:03:56.319,1:03:59.920

quartering to you put it right in the

 

1:03:57.880,1:04:02.319

point of that front shoulder he'll he'll

 

1:03:59.920,1:04:04.480

drop right there it's like Cory said if

 

1:04:02.319,1:04:06.240

you do hit behind the shoulder more than

 

1:04:04.480,1:04:09.160

likely them cat that cat's going to jump

 

1:04:06.240,1:04:10.880

about 12 foot in the air and as soon as

 

1:04:09.160,1:04:13.119

his feet hit the ground he's going to

 

1:04:10.880,1:04:14.440

take off running and if you got to go

 

1:04:13.119,1:04:17.440

search for a

 

1:04:14.440,1:04:19.480

Bobcat it's a pretty good chance you

 

1:04:17.440,1:04:21.279

might Trail him up and find him

 

1:04:19.480,1:04:23.760

especially if you seen pile up you know

 

1:04:21.279,1:04:26.279

that's great but if he goes out of sight

 

1:04:23.760,1:04:28.720

man there are tough to find just because

 

1:04:26.279,1:04:30.920

they blend in so well I mean you got

 

1:04:28.720,1:04:33.319

step on them before you find them they

 

1:04:30.920,1:04:35.520

got so much life to them that and

 

1:04:33.319,1:04:37.079

they're so radical when something gets a

 

1:04:35.520,1:04:39.720

hold of a bobcat I don't know if you've

 

1:04:37.079,1:04:43.319

ever watched a video of a bobcat getting

 

1:04:39.720,1:04:45.279

in a foot hold but they talk about tiger

 

1:04:43.319,1:04:47.880

by the tail oh man that's definitely

 

1:04:45.279,1:04:51.640

what you got they bite up everything and

 

1:04:47.880,1:04:55.079

I I they just they just got so much you

 

1:04:51.640,1:04:57.000

know anxiety when something gets a hold

 

1:04:55.079,1:04:59.039

of them that they're they got a lot of

 

1:04:57.000,1:05:01.480

life to them they'll run just like you

 

1:04:59.039,1:05:02.599

said you don't anchor them down they're

 

1:05:01.480,1:05:05.319

they're

 

1:05:02.599,1:05:08.680

gone that's exactly right I've got one

 

1:05:05.319,1:05:10.119

more question for you and this is uh

 

1:05:08.680,1:05:14.119

kind of an interesting one I've been

 

1:05:10.119,1:05:16.960

asking I've asked uh Andrew lean this

 

1:05:14.119,1:05:18.680

I've asked Gage banan this and I've

 

1:05:16.960,1:05:21.640

asked Tory cook this at you guys won't

 

1:05:18.680,1:05:24.359

hear for a couple more weeks

 

1:05:21.640,1:05:26.400

but you ready for this this is one those

 

1:05:24.359,1:05:28.240

good ones where you got to put you on a

 

1:05:26.400,1:05:31.960

spot oh

 

1:05:28.240,1:05:33.839

boy all right I'm going to drop you off

 

1:05:31.960,1:05:37.559

in the

 

1:05:33.839,1:05:41.079

wilderness no civilization for thousands

 

1:05:37.559,1:05:43.839

of miles your life depends on you

 

1:05:41.079,1:05:45.839

killing a coyot okay I'm G to drop you

 

1:05:43.839,1:05:47.839

off You' got to kill a coyot if you get

 

1:05:45.839,1:05:50.079

a coyote killed I'll fly back in with a

 

1:05:47.839,1:05:52.520

helicopter and save your life if you

 

1:05:50.079,1:05:56.079

don't kill a coyote you got to live your

 

1:05:52.520,1:05:58.000

life out in this Wilderness digging up

 

1:05:56.079,1:06:01.440

earthworms and eating snails and tree

 

1:05:58.000,1:06:04.880

bark to stay alive okay you understand

 

1:06:01.440,1:06:06.880

what you get you get a x24 loaded up

 

1:06:04.880,1:06:08.880

with all the fox Pro library and the

 

1:06:06.880,1:06:13.039

whole mfk Library so you're good to go

 

1:06:08.880,1:06:17.680

on you call right okay y the thing that

 

1:06:13.039,1:06:20.440

you get to choose is your caliber of

 

1:06:17.680,1:06:23.000

rifle or your gauge of shotgun the thing

 

1:06:20.440,1:06:26.599

is you only get one bullet I give you

 

1:06:23.000,1:06:29.440

one shell so what's going on here to

 

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save your life you got to call a Coy up

 

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you've got one shot to get him killed

 

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what is your choice of

 

1:06:35.720,1:06:40.880

cartridge what what cartridge are you

 

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taking on this hun it can be any kind of

 

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rifle cartridge it can be any kind of it

 

1:06:43.279,1:06:48.079

can be any kind of rifle caliber it can

 

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be any shotgun gauge water are you

 

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choosing to take to make sure you anchor

 

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that coyot and get him killed to save

 

1:06:52.279,1:06:56.480

your life to save your life life you got

 

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to kill a coyot you only got one shot

 

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what is

 

1:06:57.400,1:07:03.079

it well I've killed more coyotes with

 

1:07:00.960,1:07:04.880

this cartridge than any than any other

 

1:07:03.079,1:07:06.200

cartridge out there even the new stuff

 

1:07:04.880,1:07:09.720

that I've been running here the last

 

1:07:06.200,1:07:12.680

couple years and it's 22250 and that's

 

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what I'm gonna take my

 

1:07:12.680,1:07:19.680

man you know I like a 22 250 I know I

 

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you know I love a 2250 22250 I actually

 

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shot one out shooting nothing but

 

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predators and when I shot the gun out I

 

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had it made into a to a 22 creedmore but

 

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uh like I said I know I've shot more

 

1:07:30.319,1:07:35.400

kyotes with with that gun than any right

 

1:07:32.880,1:07:36.400

other gun out there so that that's what

 

1:07:35.400,1:07:40.799

I'm going to

 

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take you don't even consider a 22 Magnum

 

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or a 17 HMR or a 204

 

1:07:44.799,1:07:50.319

Ruger absolutely

 

1:07:47.279,1:07:53.480

not my life depends on it I'm taking the

 

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the 22 250 yeah boy boy it makes you

 

1:07:53.480,1:07:56.440

think different on calibers if it's

 

1:07:55.160,1:07:57.839

something talking about to save your

 

1:07:56.440,1:07:59.720

life I know nobody ever thinks well I

 

1:07:57.839,1:08:00.720

got to kill this cow save my life but

 

1:07:59.720,1:08:03.480

hey what if you was put in that

 

1:08:00.720,1:08:05.880

situation what caliber will you take all

 

1:08:03.480,1:08:08.240

you listeners think about that what

 

1:08:05.880,1:08:10.359

caliber would you take if it your life

 

1:08:08.240,1:08:11.720

depended on you killing a cow I think

 

1:08:10.359,1:08:14.520

it's awesome I love hearing everybody's

 

1:08:11.720,1:08:16.359

answers for that and it it is very

 

1:08:14.520,1:08:19.640

awesome and you know and I I almost

 

1:08:16.359,1:08:21.920

picked a 22 Creed more or 243 just

 

1:08:19.640,1:08:24.759

because of the little bit more of a

 

1:08:21.920,1:08:27.679

punch there but like I said I got go

 

1:08:24.759,1:08:30.040

back to my roots confidence y I killed

 

1:08:27.679,1:08:32.319

I've killed a lot of coyes and a lot of

 

1:08:30.040,1:08:34.640

bobcats with Point 250 so that's what

 

1:08:32.319,1:08:37.040

I'm taking well that's good stuff and

 

1:08:34.640,1:08:39.440

y'all stay stay tuned For an upcoming

 

1:08:37.040,1:08:42.719

podcast to hear Tory Cooks answer it's a

 

1:08:39.440,1:08:44.400

good one Tori I love tor's answers wait

 

1:08:42.719,1:08:46.279

till you hear it you'll get a kick out

 

1:08:44.400,1:08:48.600

of it I think I sure did I thought it

 

1:08:46.279,1:08:50.960

was awesome but but Cory we appreciate

 

1:08:48.600,1:08:53.560

you coming on here and uh sharing your

 

1:08:50.960,1:08:56.679

experiences with Bob Kat Colin and we

 

1:08:53.560,1:08:58.319

hope hope you have a continued luck

 

1:08:56.679,1:08:59.920

throughout the rest of this Bobcat

 

1:08:58.319,1:09:02.319

season I'm actually going to head to

 

1:08:59.920,1:09:05.080

Kansas here in a few days and see if I

 

1:09:02.319,1:09:06.640

can't tag some Bobcats out there well

 

1:09:05.080,1:09:09.239

I'm G to look forward to seeing those

 

1:09:06.640,1:09:11.239

pictures would you like to leave us with

 

1:09:09.239,1:09:14.239

anything for we get out of

 

1:09:11.239,1:09:16.120

here well thank you guys for listening

 

1:09:14.239,1:09:18.799

uh I hope this podcast helps you out and

 

1:09:16.120,1:09:20.799

if you got any questions hit me up on

 

1:09:18.799,1:09:22.520

any of the social media I'm I'm on all

 

1:09:20.799,1:09:26.319

platforms

 

1:09:22.520,1:09:28.839

so yes sir you guys take this info

 

1:09:26.319,1:09:32.199

hopefully it helps you out if you try

 

1:09:28.839,1:09:35.880

using these uh calling sequences for

 

1:09:32.199,1:09:37.719

Bobcats and you are successful hey tag

 

1:09:35.880,1:09:40.440

us up on social media I want to see the

 

1:09:37.719,1:09:42.600

pictures I want to see that you tag the

 

1:09:40.440,1:09:44.279

Bobcat but good luck out there to

 

1:09:42.600,1:09:45.759

everyone we hope everyone enjoyed this

 

1:09:44.279,1:09:49.600

episode and we hope you join us again

 

1:09:45.759,1:09:49.600

right here on the fox Pro podcast