The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 38: Breeding Season Coyote Calling 2.0

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and MFK's Torry Cook go over everything you need to know for breeding season coyote calling. They even leave you with six solid breeding season sequences.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome

 

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back to the fox Pro podcast on this

 

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episode Tory cook and I are going to be

 

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discussing the best house and breeding

 

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vocals for breeding season coyotes how's

 

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it going

 

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Tori all going good another day another

 

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day I know you've been deer hunting a

 

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little bit how's that

 

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going oh yeah well it's it's going

 

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pretty good I'll wait till season's over

 

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to see just how good I hear you I hear

 

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what you down there in the South your

 

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All Season kind of a little bit later

 

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than ours here where I do all my hunting

 

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at but I guess your all's R will be

 

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hitting what do your's R hit like in

 

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January or something like that man it's

 

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crazy I just watched another hunting

 

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show that was talking about they were

 

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hunting in Arkansas and they were

 

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talking about how crazy it was in one

 

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County deer rutting in you know late

 

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October early November and they jump one

 

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County over and those deer rting in you

 

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know in December close to January right

 

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and so that's that's how it is here it's

 

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spread out just depending on what county

 

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you're in you can have you can start

 

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getting into the rut you know around

 

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Halloween or just before right like like

 

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we do here yeah yeah if you wanted to

 

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chase the rut across the state you could

 

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start in late October and Chase it all

 

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the way through you know early January

 

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that that's wild how some regions of the

 

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US or or like that that's that's pretty

 

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cool I got uh which I'm kind of done

 

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deer hunting so I'm ready to talk about

 

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coyotes and I've got a I've got an

 

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awesome call in from here recently that

 

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I was wanting to bring up to you and you

 

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you've probably you may have seen this

 

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happen before but I had a a very first

 

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for John Collins here recently I called

 

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in have you ever shot a coyote and

 

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wounded it and it run off and you switch

 

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sounds and then it come running right

 

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back up to the call have you ever seen

 

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that you the only person that I know of

 

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that's done that if that's what you f to

 

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tell me happen oh my gosh let me tell

 

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you about this here I

 

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am Amed a couple Bobcat stands here

 

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lately and was able to tag two cats

 

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we're only allowed three cats here in

 

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the state of Kentucky so anyway I've got

 

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two of those tags filled but I had a a

 

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landowner friend of mine a beef cattle

 

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farmer holler at and say hey I saw a

 

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coyot out there in my pasture field

 

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we've got some little calves that don't

 

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think he hurt nothing but I don't want

 

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to give him I don't want to give him the

 

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chance to hurt anything you come up here

 

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and call him up well so the other

 

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morning I go make a coyot stand set up

 

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in this pasture field and I and this

 

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pasture field where you saw this Coy

 

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it's actually like the the property line

 

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that the fence is the property line it

 

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goes to somebody else I don't have

 

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access to hunt on a neighboring place

 

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and that's where the cows are at the

 

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neighboring Farm is pretty woolly you

 

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know how that goes you know the farm I'm

 

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On's clean it don't really hold them but

 

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the neighboring Place does so I set up

 

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in this pasture field and I said well

 

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cats are calling pretty good I want to

 

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start off with some rabbit some prey

 

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distress just see if I can't get him get

 

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him in here to some prey stuff so I

 

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started off with uh I played Mrs MC

 

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Cotton Tail sure enough two and a half

 

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minutes in I look up and here comes not

 

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one but two kyotes barreling in just

 

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textbook gets up bur stops about 70

 

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yards out in front of me you know about

 

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I don't know 35 40 steps in front of the

 

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x24 straight on

 

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shot I come off the camera I'm self

 

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filming getting a gun start to shoot and

 

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soon as breaking a trigger like

 

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dedicated to the shot going off this

 

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kyote starts to take off back towards

 

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the x24 again so I'm like oh my gosh and

 

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I'm like I'm so far into it it the the

 

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gun's going off I can't stop yeah one of

 

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them timeing deals you just can't can't

 

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keep from happening so I try to readjust

 

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as it's happening like to come down in

 

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that Coy make sure I still hit it well I

 

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shoot and of course I skip a bullet

 

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right off its shoulder it hits to the

 

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left hits its right shoulder just like

 

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in the point of of it and goes right

 

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down inside I see all this hair fly off

 

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of it and stuff and it takes off running

 

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well it's partner tears off right behind

 

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it I switch I think I hit pup screams

 

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coyote stops up there the second one

 

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does I get it killed well I'm thinking

 

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well if I called in two there might be a

 

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family group over there so I start I hit

 

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table scraps play it for about a minute

 

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and a half nothing go into pound town

 

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and about a minute later I see a coyote

 

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in the on the next property over

 

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Crossing from right to left I get to

 

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look through through the scope I said

 

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that that Coy's going to come and sure

 

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enough it wasn't just a few seconds

 

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later here that thing come busting

 

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through the fence well it gets up there

 

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and stops another again about 80 yard

 

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shot kill it got a double on the ground

 

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well I turn to the camera I'm all tore

 

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up like oh pump to get this double but

 

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man if ID hit that first coyote I'd have

 

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a triple on the ground so there kind of

 

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shorten things up here I go get the

 

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first cow to a shot you know nice big

 

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old mil coyote I get to drag him down

 

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there to the second coyote I start

 

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walking up on his second coyote and it's

 

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got a big bloody spot in its shoulder on

 

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its right shoulder and then right past

 

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that is like you just took a like he had

 

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a zipper like you unzipped him from his

 

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front shoulder all the way back to his

 

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hip that was a coyote that I had missed

 

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or wounded on that first shot it

 

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actually got mad enough to Pound Town

 

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pissed it off it come running back in

 

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and when it stopped after I did notice

 

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like a little red streak on its side but

 

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that KY was actually down there wolfing

 

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and a huffing and and mad and I shot it

 

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as it was barking at the x24 playing

 

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pound town but anyway it was actually

 

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wounded enough that the bullet actually

 

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went into its shoulder and then come

 

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back out of its height about two inches

 

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further back and they went right down

 

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its side taking a big strip of hair out

 

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and actually cut its height open enough

 

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about halfway back where there was a rib

 

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sticking out and then it went back into

 

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its hip and come back out at its tail

 

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and and that coyot called back in with

 

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pound town just a couple minutes later

 

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now how Wild is

 

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that that there's no better Testament to

 

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how good those sounds work and and how

 

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aggravated how it gets to those CS I

 

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don't know what it is about certain

 

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sounds like that that just get them so

 

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fired up that they'll do stuff like that

 

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I mean that's crazy it's kind that kind

 

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of reminds me of some that stuff you see

 

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where somebody will you know they'll

 

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have a buck come into a decoy and shoot

 

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a hole through that thing and he's so

 

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worked up or like what I was telling you

 

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on them Coons yeah you I've had a bunch

 

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of times where you shoot slam through

 

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them with an arrow and they're in the

 

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process of dying and they're still

 

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trying to get that you know they're

 

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still trying they're putting their paws

 

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on the x24 trying to get that sound y

 

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it's crazy what they do but that's the

 

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first time I've ever heard of it

 

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happening on a c like it and especially

 

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to lay him open from one end to the

 

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other and he still come back oh yeah and

 

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I filmed the whole thing so the video

 

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the video time is releases will probably

 

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be out for everybody to watch it you

 

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watch that second Coy that I shoot down

 

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at broadside you'll see the big red

 

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streak on him and we pointed out in the

 

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video you'll see it so it's it's pretty

 

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wild first time I've ever seen it happen

 

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I'm not too proud of that shot I'm not

 

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saying that but I really got you know it

 

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felt good to get Redemption on that

 

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coyot because even as I was walking out

 

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there doing a recovery I said it again

 

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said man if I had to missed that first

 

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coyote I'd have a triple on the ground

 

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well soon as I walked up to that second

 

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coyote I was like no I wouldn't had no

 

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triple I just killed a double earlier

 

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you know what I mean and wild thing is

 

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this was a this wasn't two yearing this

 

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was two older coyes and what the wild

 

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thing is kind of goes right into what

 

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we're uh discussing on today's podcast

 

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what it was was a breeding pair of coyes

 

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they already paired up and uh killed the

 

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male first well this old you know how

 

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you know how women can be how these

 

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females are they're usually the meanest

 

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ones out of the bunch and she sure was a

 

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mean one come back like I said a wolfing

 

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and a huffing growling barking she was

 

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she was fired up up I mean you could

 

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shoot her right on the shoulder and

 

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graze down her side and she uh she come

 

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back for

 

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seconds yeah that's definitely I've

 

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never heard of that happening with coats

 

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and that's uh that's definitely a stand

 

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you won't forget or me either I mean

 

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especially with the I mean that's just

 

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unheard of for it to work out like that

 

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but yeah nobody needs to really test

 

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that don't try to shoot one in the foot

 

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or nothing and see if you can call it

 

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back in I I really advise you to

 

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dispatch him with that first shot but

 

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you know that's just how things work out

 

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everybody misses time to time you might

 

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wound one if you shoot enough coyotes

 

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but definitely not proud of the first

 

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shot but it was it it it felt pretty

 

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good to get that Coy called back in and

 

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get it dispatched but uh Tor I say we

 

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jump right into this podcast you know we

 

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did a a breeding season podcast last

 

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year and it seemed to be a big hit with

 

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everyone and uh the first thing I want

 

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to ask you is when do you start seeing

 

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rut type activity out of your Coy that

 

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you guys record sounds off of because

 

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you know you guys are around those Co

 

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quite a bit when do you first start

 

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seeing like some rud activity from those

 

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from your

 

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coyes I mean it starts up with the

 

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pairing process and and stuff like that

 

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and you'll even see some early spotting

 

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you know in December uh so late December

 

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it's when I would say that's that's

 

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probably when you first start seeing it

 

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and then it just progresses with you

 

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know the actual pairing process going

 

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from December into January and then you

 

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know of course you get some trickle

 

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effect on the front end of the breeding

 

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and then the actual breeding portion of

 

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it most of that's going to take place

 

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somewhere around you know usually

 

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somewhere around Valentine's Day give

 

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you know of course you got a little

 

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variance just like with beer rut and

 

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everything else you've got a little

 

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variance either side of that by a week

 

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or two but that's usually a good place

 

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to good place to judge it pairing

 

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December January breeding January

 

0:09:55.839,0:10:00.600

February you know possibly into March

 

0:09:57.959,0:10:03.200

and some places but that right that's

 

0:10:00.600,0:10:05.920

the time frame you know that I I would

 

0:10:03.200,0:10:09.120

say you can call you can start using

 

0:10:05.920,0:10:11.959

breeding type sequences and sound stuff

 

0:10:09.120,0:10:14.399

from December through March right right

 

0:10:11.959,0:10:16.519

yeah and that's pretty much seems like

 

0:10:14.399,0:10:19.079

Nationwide usually it sounds like the

 

0:10:16.519,0:10:21.560

the average Peak breeding date is is

 

0:10:19.079,0:10:24.720

mid-February so yeah it's that's right

 

0:10:21.560,0:10:27.200

spot on with that and uh what time of

 

0:10:24.720,0:10:30.360

the year do you would you say is safe to

 

0:10:27.200,0:10:32.519

start running what you consider breeding

 

0:10:30.360,0:10:35.360

type sequences and breeding type sounds

 

0:10:32.519,0:10:37.800

to really see some great results from

 

0:10:35.360,0:10:39.519

them you know we've talked about that

 

0:10:37.800,0:10:42.320

before you can actually call them up

 

0:10:39.519,0:10:44.279

with breeding sounds year round but

 

0:10:42.320,0:10:46.200

specifically I would say that late

 

0:10:44.279,0:10:49.839

December time frames probably about the

 

0:10:46.200,0:10:52.480

earliest time that I would start really

 

0:10:49.839,0:10:54.440

using a lot of breeding type sounds and

 

0:10:52.480,0:10:56.680

then getting into that later January

 

0:10:54.440,0:10:58.560

through February that's when I would

 

0:10:56.680,0:11:02.639

really you know that's when I would

 

0:10:58.560,0:11:04.680

focus a good portion of my sequence on

 

0:11:02.639,0:11:08.839

breeding stuff and you're basically just

 

0:11:04.680,0:11:10.480

adding more breeding related sounds to

 

0:11:08.839,0:11:12.480

probably a sequence that's already

 

0:11:10.480,0:11:14.120

working with your prey distress or

 

0:11:12.480,0:11:17.440

whatever that's what I typically do my

 

0:11:14.120,0:11:20.720

sequences get longer right right as the

 

0:11:17.440,0:11:22.480

as the year gets later right well

 

0:11:20.720,0:11:25.360

definitely one of the most powerful

 

0:11:22.480,0:11:27.120

Tools in a ky Hunter's arsenal when it

 

0:11:25.360,0:11:30.120

comes to breeding season is a good set

 

0:11:27.120,0:11:33.320

of house tor what are your favorite

 

0:11:30.120,0:11:36.360

types of hows during the breeding

 

0:11:33.320,0:11:39.720

season breeding specific house it's hard

 

0:11:36.360,0:11:43.920

to beat those little bee house um she's

 

0:11:39.720,0:11:45.519

got I actually recorded a series of what

 

0:11:43.920,0:11:48.079

would typically be called female

 

0:11:45.519,0:11:51.240

imitation house from her some of those

 

0:11:48.079,0:11:53.880

juice house juice lonely female juicy

 

0:11:51.240,0:11:56.000

house and then on the little bide lonely

 

0:11:53.880,0:11:59.360

Little Bee little be ready house hot

 

0:11:56.000,0:12:02.120

little bee sexy little bee uh come ear

 

0:11:59.360,0:12:04.320

lonely how is another sound that I like

 

0:12:02.120,0:12:09.600

that time of the year as far as your

 

0:12:04.320,0:12:12.839

lone hows or female imitation type hows

 

0:12:09.600,0:12:15.199

and uh there's some specifics as far as

 

0:12:12.839,0:12:17.920

what makes it an imitation how or

 

0:12:15.199,0:12:20.320

another type how but uh right those are

 

0:12:17.920,0:12:22.079

those are some of the top ones that that

 

0:12:20.320,0:12:24.880

I use of course if you want to mix a

 

0:12:22.079,0:12:27.360

mail in there with that those Boone hows

 

0:12:24.880,0:12:29.680

are always hard to beat right well

 

0:12:27.360,0:12:32.680

that's well tell us exact what is

 

0:12:29.680,0:12:35.160

exactly is what we've always heard

 

0:12:32.680,0:12:38.120

throughout the years is an invitation

 

0:12:35.160,0:12:39.800

how from a Coy what what tell us like

 

0:12:38.120,0:12:42.720

the the definition of

 

0:12:39.800,0:12:45.120

that you know I I know we both have

 

0:12:42.720,0:12:47.199

probably seen people asking questions

 

0:12:45.120,0:12:49.120

about wanting us to do a podcast or

 

0:12:47.199,0:12:50.959

something we probably will in the future

 

0:12:49.120,0:12:52.800

a podcast or something that really gets

 

0:12:50.959,0:12:54.959

dives into the specifics and the

 

0:12:52.800,0:12:58.320

definitions of all of the different Co

 

0:12:54.959,0:12:59.680

vocals but on the Howland side of it and

 

0:12:58.320,0:13:02.399

there's a lot of

 

0:12:59.680,0:13:04.760

confusion there because you'll read a

 

0:13:02.399,0:13:06.320

magazine and they'll call it female

 

0:13:04.760,0:13:08.079

imitation then you'll read something

 

0:13:06.320,0:13:09.560

where it just calls it imitation hous

 

0:13:08.079,0:13:11.839

and people don't know if it's male or Fe

 

0:13:09.560,0:13:13.839

and so on and then you got interrogation

 

0:13:11.839,0:13:16.519

hous and Challenge hous and pair and

 

0:13:13.839,0:13:19.040

muster hous and it just goes on and on

 

0:13:16.519,0:13:22.040

there's usually a lot of confusion with

 

0:13:19.040,0:13:24.560

that the way to simplify it and after

 

0:13:22.040,0:13:27.000

raising coats I know this holds true for

 

0:13:24.560,0:13:29.880

the most part the bulk of your house can

 

0:13:27.000,0:13:32.480

be broken down into they're just long

 

0:13:29.880,0:13:34.839

hows uh when that's a single coat doing

 

0:13:32.480,0:13:38.880

a how what separates and what makes it

 

0:13:34.839,0:13:40.720

an invitation how a female imitation how

 

0:13:38.880,0:13:42.880

and a male could do the same thing if

 

0:13:40.720,0:13:45.279

you wanted to use male hows it would

 

0:13:42.880,0:13:47.000

make a difference on the coast the only

 

0:13:45.279,0:13:50.120

thing that separates an imitation how

 

0:13:47.000,0:13:52.480

from just a lone how is the length of

 

0:13:50.120,0:13:53.880

time that they do it so when a female Co

 

0:13:52.480,0:13:56.560

comes in heat and this is where those

 

0:13:53.880,0:13:58.120

little beeh house were recorded and the

 

0:13:56.560,0:13:59.440

juice house and some of the other ones

 

0:13:58.120,0:14:00.839

that were in heat

 

0:13:59.440,0:14:03.279

when those coats come in heat and

 

0:14:00.839,0:14:05.320

they're byel they will H over and over

 

0:14:03.279,0:14:09.120

and over again and those HS sound just

 

0:14:05.320,0:14:11.560

like their typical Lan house do for that

 

0:14:09.120,0:14:13.120

specific coat the only thing is they

 

0:14:11.560,0:14:15.920

just keep doing them over and over and

 

0:14:13.120,0:14:19.160

over again so if you're GNA do if you

 

0:14:15.920,0:14:22.360

want to mimic an imitation how during

 

0:14:19.160,0:14:24.320

breeding season you need to howl more

 

0:14:22.360,0:14:26.600

often than you would if you were just

 

0:14:24.320,0:14:28.279

throwing out a series of Lone house

 

0:14:26.600,0:14:30.839

because when you see these libraries and

 

0:14:28.279,0:14:33.680

it may have a sound listed as female

 

0:14:30.839,0:14:37.199

invitation if you only play three or

 

0:14:33.680,0:14:39.680

four hows of that you're not really

 

0:14:37.199,0:14:41.720

invitation invitation how then right

 

0:14:39.680,0:14:43.759

just a set of loan doing you're just

 

0:14:41.720,0:14:46.959

doing a loan how I got you so when I'm

 

0:14:43.759,0:14:48.880

using I'll just give you a when I'm when

 

0:14:46.959,0:14:51.320

I want to do a true female imitation one

 

0:14:48.880,0:14:53.360

of the easiest ways to do it is with

 

0:14:51.320,0:14:55.880

those little beeh house because that is

 

0:14:53.360,0:14:58.279

a series of her while she's in heat and

 

0:14:55.880,0:14:59.839

she's howling she hows for hours

 

0:14:58.279,0:15:02.360

throughout the tonight and I recorded

 

0:14:59.839,0:15:04.399

this series of house so if I were going

 

0:15:02.360,0:15:07.519

to do a true female invitation I would

 

0:15:04.399,0:15:09.519

play lonely Little Bee I'd wait a minute

 

0:15:07.519,0:15:12.000

or so and follow that with little B

 

0:15:09.519,0:15:14.880

Ready House wait a second or two follow

 

0:15:12.000,0:15:17.279

that with hot little be wait a minute or

 

0:15:14.880,0:15:19.199

two and follow that with sexy little be

 

0:15:17.279,0:15:21.320

those are four if you used any one of

 

0:15:19.199,0:15:23.560

those sounds alone you're doing a lone

 

0:15:21.320,0:15:25.880

how if you run them in combination one

 

0:15:23.560,0:15:27.720

right behind the other you're mimicking

 

0:15:25.880,0:15:29.600

what she did when she was in heat and

 

0:15:27.720,0:15:31.399

throwing out that pie invitation where

 

0:15:29.600,0:15:33.560

they're trying to get another CO's

 

0:15:31.399,0:15:37.360

attention I got you so that's that's how

 

0:15:33.560,0:15:38.839

you do that's how you truly do female

 

0:15:37.360,0:15:41.240

invitation house and you could do the

 

0:15:38.839,0:15:44.920

other you could do the same thing by

 

0:15:41.240,0:15:48.480

using you know female Sore house or any

 

0:15:44.920,0:15:50.160

of the other hows that you want to use

 

0:15:48.480,0:15:51.680

but you need to do them over and over

 

0:15:50.160,0:15:56.079

again right so you're saying like a

 

0:15:51.680,0:15:57.680

series of hows wait two minutes before

 

0:15:56.079,0:16:00.079

you let your next series of house is

 

0:15:57.680,0:16:01.759

that is that kind of a good guideline

 

0:16:00.079,0:16:04.560

yes something along those line what the

 

0:16:01.759,0:16:06.480

cows do when when they typically do it

 

0:16:04.560,0:16:08.600

they may have a 10-second break and then

 

0:16:06.480,0:16:10.959

they they'll throw out another three or

 

0:16:08.600,0:16:14.000

four five six seven so it could be 30

 

0:16:10.959,0:16:16.040

second or less yeah and then it may be

 

0:16:14.000,0:16:17.720

three or four minutes I got you and then

 

0:16:16.040,0:16:20.680

they'll they'll go to Highland again but

 

0:16:17.720,0:16:23.279

they will do that with those breaks you

 

0:16:20.680,0:16:25.920

know of anywhere from just a few seconds

 

0:16:23.279,0:16:28.079

all the way up to a few minutes they

 

0:16:25.920,0:16:30.920

will do that a lot of times for hours

 

0:16:28.079,0:16:34.560

awesome that's great info great info so

 

0:16:30.920,0:16:37.160

you you could do you could actually do a

 

0:16:34.560,0:16:39.959

coow stand where you did nothing but

 

0:16:37.160,0:16:42.199

those highs over and over again for 30

 

0:16:39.959,0:16:43.720

minutes with you know putting two three

 

0:16:42.199,0:16:46.120

minute breaks in there and I guarantee

 

0:16:43.720,0:16:48.120

you'd call up coat and not use any other

 

0:16:46.120,0:16:50.319

sound that would just be a true female

 

0:16:48.120,0:16:52.319

imitation sequence right because usually

 

0:16:50.319,0:16:54.360

there's not any other sounds like well

 

0:16:52.319,0:16:56.920

if like if a female coyot is out there

 

0:16:54.360,0:16:59.800

in heat and she's a lone coyot she's

 

0:16:56.920,0:17:02.519

looking for a mate uh that's all the

 

0:16:59.800,0:17:04.520

sounds you're going to hear until

 

0:17:02.519,0:17:06.360

another coyote comes into play right I

 

0:17:04.520,0:17:09.640

mean she's not g to be letting out any

 

0:17:06.360,0:17:11.919

kind of B breeding type other vocals or

 

0:17:09.640,0:17:13.919

fights you know it takes two people two

 

0:17:11.919,0:17:15.199

cows to fight at least so you're not

 

0:17:13.919,0:17:16.919

going to hear anything else until

 

0:17:15.199,0:17:20.319

another cow comes in so that makes

 

0:17:16.919,0:17:22.120

perfect sense to uh how that plays out

 

0:17:20.319,0:17:26.160

um one thing you did mention there you

 

0:17:22.120,0:17:27.919

mentioned about the male KY house um and

 

0:17:26.160,0:17:29.000

you said you might mix those in from

 

0:17:27.919,0:17:32.000

time to time

 

0:17:29.000,0:17:33.520

are maale house productive during the

 

0:17:32.000,0:17:36.480

during the breeding season and how often

 

0:17:33.520,0:17:38.360

do you use them yeah because even though

 

0:17:36.480,0:17:40.720

a lot of people put emphasis on female

 

0:17:38.360,0:17:43.080

and male house I know me and you've

 

0:17:40.720,0:17:44.919

talked about it before I don't pay any

 

0:17:43.080,0:17:48.280

attention to the sex of the C because

 

0:17:44.919,0:17:50.640

the C does not know nor does he care the

 

0:17:48.280,0:17:53.919

sex of the C right so yes you could

 

0:17:50.640,0:17:56.840

incorporate them if you if you like that

 

0:17:53.919,0:17:59.000

that way of thinking you know by mixing

 

0:17:56.840,0:18:01.600

male and female houss together

 

0:17:59.000,0:18:03.960

but you could also do you could do a

 

0:18:01.600,0:18:06.080

female invitation with male house right

 

0:18:03.960,0:18:07.840

because the C they just don't know you

 

0:18:06.080,0:18:09.880

could take a mail how and how over and

 

0:18:07.840,0:18:13.679

over and over again and it would be an

 

0:18:09.880,0:18:16.000

invitation how and they don't know that

 

0:18:13.679,0:18:19.000

it's a they it's just a strange go to

 

0:18:16.000,0:18:21.280

them to them until and if you want proof

 

0:18:19.000,0:18:24.159

of this just watch two dogs come

 

0:18:21.280,0:18:25.440

together they figure out the sex when

 

0:18:24.159,0:18:28.480

they stick their nose under the other

 

0:18:25.440,0:18:29.840

one's tail and stuff like that you know

 

0:18:28.480,0:18:32.400

don't

 

0:18:29.840,0:18:37.039

care until they come in contact with

 

0:18:32.400,0:18:40.360

each other so yes I I mean some of those

 

0:18:37.039,0:18:42.840

bone houss we use them year round and

 

0:18:40.360,0:18:46.400

they produce well and they're they're a

 

0:18:42.840,0:18:48.280

good mix to throw in during that

 

0:18:46.400,0:18:51.200

breeding time frame because it gives you

 

0:18:48.280,0:18:53.320

two different codes not necessarily

 

0:18:51.200,0:18:54.880

because it's a male and a female but but

 

0:18:53.320,0:18:57.919

yes to answer the question you could

 

0:18:54.880,0:19:00.200

create that Dynamic by actually using

 

0:18:57.919,0:19:02.400

male house and female house together

 

0:19:00.200,0:19:04.240

right well that and you actually

 

0:19:02.400,0:19:05.720

mentioned when we first started talking

 

0:19:04.240,0:19:07.320

about house here you actually mentioned

 

0:19:05.720,0:19:09.080

camir lonely house and that's actually

 

0:19:07.320,0:19:12.200

Boon that makes those house is that

 

0:19:09.080,0:19:15.360

correct that's right yep well let me ask

 

0:19:12.200,0:19:17.760

you about another type of how what about

 

0:19:15.360,0:19:19.840

what about pair house or group house is

 

0:19:17.760,0:19:21.919

that something to stay away from during

 

0:19:19.840,0:19:24.080

the breeding season or or can they be

 

0:19:21.919,0:19:27.480

pretty effective to run during breeding

 

0:19:24.080,0:19:30.880

season no that's I actually use that's

 

0:19:27.480,0:19:33.039

when I use use PA house the most and I

 

0:19:30.880,0:19:34.880

usually use those following and I know

 

0:19:33.039,0:19:37.720

we'll get into some specific sequences

 

0:19:34.880,0:19:40.559

later on but that's when I actually use

 

0:19:37.720,0:19:44.360

the most pair house and I'm usually

 

0:19:40.559,0:19:48.159

following those Lan house that I've

 

0:19:44.360,0:19:49.720

thrown out and and most of the pair

 

0:19:48.159,0:19:52.720

house not all of them but most of the

 

0:19:49.720,0:19:54.400

pair house are actually a male female

 

0:19:52.720,0:19:57.080

pair so you're you're getting that

 

0:19:54.400,0:19:58.799

dynamic between you know not only is it

 

0:19:57.080,0:20:01.280

a male and a female C

 

0:19:58.799,0:20:03.000

if you believe that matters it's

 

0:20:01.280,0:20:05.280

actually most of the time that's an

 

0:20:03.000,0:20:07.960

actual mated pair the way that I've

 

0:20:05.280,0:20:09.960

recorded those house so I got you you

 

0:20:07.960,0:20:12.799

know they're great to throw in there in

 

0:20:09.960,0:20:14.559

a breeding sequence because it's a

 

0:20:12.799,0:20:17.280

they're recorded in a you know in a

 

0:20:14.559,0:20:19.600

legit scenario where a male and female

 

0:20:17.280,0:20:21.480

cow have paired up bonded with each

 

0:20:19.600,0:20:23.360

other and a lot of times that starts out

 

0:20:21.480,0:20:25.400

kind of rough but once they bond with

 

0:20:23.360,0:20:28.480

each other and the that female accepts

 

0:20:25.400,0:20:31.559

him then you can get some hows that are

 

0:20:28.480,0:20:34.240

you know really good pair house between

 

0:20:31.559,0:20:36.720

a mated pair of coats and you know use

 

0:20:34.240,0:20:37.880

that to mimic that breeding scenario

 

0:20:36.720,0:20:40.280

you're trying to create when you're

 

0:20:37.880,0:20:42.360

hunting awesome what about let's move

 

0:20:40.280,0:20:43.720

right along on that same line what about

 

0:20:42.360,0:20:45.880

challenge house you know you got

 

0:20:43.720,0:20:48.200

challenge house in the library from mfk

 

0:20:45.880,0:20:50.240

and fox Pro is that is that something

 

0:20:48.200,0:20:51.640

that you'll throw into play for for

 

0:20:50.240,0:20:52.679

breeding season or is that something you

 

0:20:51.640,0:20:56.120

stay away

 

0:20:52.679,0:20:57.480

from if if I need to you know if I know

 

0:20:56.120,0:20:59.960

that I've got coats and they hadn't

 

0:20:57.480,0:21:01.760

shown up and you know maybe they're out

 

0:20:59.960,0:21:04.520

there trash talking and they hadn't came

 

0:21:01.760,0:21:07.320

in uh normally when I'm using challenge

 

0:21:04.520,0:21:08.840

type stuff it's towards the towards the

 

0:21:07.320,0:21:11.440

end of the sequence and I'm usually

 

0:21:08.840,0:21:13.760

using it in the form of a fight to where

 

0:21:11.440,0:21:16.200

challenge house like fight challenge yes

 

0:21:13.760,0:21:18.760

you know one of your favorites y it has

 

0:21:16.200,0:21:20.919

challenge hows and Barks mixed in with

 

0:21:18.760,0:21:22.480

the fight that's going on so normally

 

0:21:20.919,0:21:25.080

when I'm using the challenge house

 

0:21:22.480,0:21:26.919

there's other stuff going on with it but

 

0:21:25.080,0:21:28.720

but yeah I'm not I'm not a bit scared to

 

0:21:26.919,0:21:31.960

use it and you could also

 

0:21:28.720,0:21:34.960

throw in those challenges by their s

 

0:21:31.960,0:21:37.679

prior to going into those fights just to

 

0:21:34.960,0:21:40.039

create that that scenario if you want to

 

0:21:37.679,0:21:43.400

but uh yeah I

 

0:21:40.039,0:21:46.000

think I think all of those sounds are

 

0:21:43.400,0:21:48.159

good for triggering CS especially during

 

0:21:46.000,0:21:51.480

that breeding time frame because you run

 

0:21:48.159,0:21:52.760

into just like what you described you

 

0:21:51.480,0:21:55.120

know calling that one up that you'd

 

0:21:52.760,0:21:57.559

already shot you can get them so fired

 

0:21:55.120,0:22:00.240

up over another cat being in there where

 

0:21:57.559,0:22:01.960

they're trying to pair up and breed and

 

0:22:00.240,0:22:04.559

when cows pair up they don't they don't

 

0:22:01.960,0:22:06.480

like other cows around right those

 

0:22:04.559,0:22:09.159

challeng houss can just add a little

 

0:22:06.480,0:22:12.039

more aggression to you know what you're

 

0:22:09.159,0:22:15.200

already dealing with good stuff so

 

0:22:12.039,0:22:17.679

female house yes male house yes pair

 

0:22:15.200,0:22:19.840

house group house challenge house throw

 

0:22:17.679,0:22:21.520

them all in there let's let's move right

 

0:22:19.840,0:22:25.120

along with we'll start talking about

 

0:22:21.520,0:22:27.279

some more breeding specific type sounds

 

0:22:25.120,0:22:28.760

Tor let's talk about the breeding chirps

 

0:22:27.279,0:22:32.480

wines and

 

0:22:28.760,0:22:34.960

wimers uh what are they and how should

 

0:22:32.480,0:22:36.919

coyote collars be mixing them into their

 

0:22:34.960,0:22:39.760

coyote stands during the breeding

 

0:22:36.919,0:22:43.039

season so you got a couple of different

 

0:22:39.760,0:22:46.200

different kinds you've got basically

 

0:22:43.039,0:22:49.200

what I would call social wines and

 

0:22:46.200,0:22:52.320

whimpers that CS will do year round but

 

0:22:49.200,0:22:54.320

they do it more often during ping and

 

0:22:52.320,0:22:56.039

breeding season because they're more

 

0:22:54.320,0:22:58.360

social that time frame so when you got

 

0:22:56.039,0:23:00.360

two coats trying to breed up and

 

0:22:58.360,0:23:02.559

sometimes you may have multiple cows

 

0:23:00.360,0:23:04.200

there in that mix a lot of times they

 

0:23:02.559,0:23:06.360

will communicate back and forth each

 

0:23:04.200,0:23:09.080

other with some of those wines and

 

0:23:06.360,0:23:11.640

whimpers uh I call them greeting wines

 

0:23:09.080,0:23:13.000

is one of my favorite ones submissive

 

0:23:11.640,0:23:13.840

beggar is another one that's kind of

 

0:23:13.000,0:23:16.520

like

 

0:23:13.840,0:23:19.720

that uh so you got that type that are

 

0:23:16.520,0:23:22.840

just more social interaction between all

 

0:23:19.720,0:23:25.159

of the coats and then you have the true

 

0:23:22.840,0:23:28.640

sounds that are related to that are

 

0:23:25.159,0:23:30.840

directly related to breeding and those

 

0:23:28.640,0:23:32.640

wines and whimpers and shps a lot of

 

0:23:30.840,0:23:34.159

times you'll hear them called a lot of

 

0:23:32.640,0:23:36.320

times they have growls mixed in with

 

0:23:34.159,0:23:40.279

them but not always and what that

 

0:23:36.320,0:23:43.159

usually is is that female is is being

 

0:23:40.279,0:23:45.240

harassed so if you've ever I'll refer

 

0:23:43.159,0:23:47.960

back to dogs if people have ever tried

 

0:23:45.240,0:23:50.360

to watch two dogs tie up a lot of times

 

0:23:47.960,0:23:53.679

that female is fussing at him whimpering

 

0:23:50.360,0:23:55.720

you know stuff like that so the cow the

 

0:23:53.679,0:23:58.279

and cows are more vocal than dogs when

 

0:23:55.720,0:24:00.240

that's going on so a lot lot of times

 

0:23:58.279,0:24:03.120

those little chirps and whimpers if you

 

0:24:00.240,0:24:05.240

can imagine that female not quite being

 

0:24:03.120,0:24:07.320

ready but him being anxious and

 

0:24:05.240,0:24:09.400

harassing her and you know trying to

 

0:24:07.320,0:24:11.960

mount up and backing her up in the

 

0:24:09.400,0:24:14.720

corner you'll get those those little

 

0:24:11.960,0:24:17.480

whimpers and female breeding growl wines

 

0:24:14.720,0:24:22.039

is one of those sounds that's a perfect

 

0:24:17.480,0:24:25.679

example that um cornered hottie Stanky

 

0:24:22.039,0:24:28.480

Leg some of those are all those and then

 

0:24:25.679,0:24:32.320

the Box Bros got a couple good ones too

 

0:24:28.480,0:24:35.360

that are directly associated with those

 

0:24:32.320,0:24:37.399

females being hot and being aggravated

 

0:24:35.360,0:24:40.039

and then you will also get some of them

 

0:24:37.399,0:24:42.039

where they're actually tied up you know

 

0:24:40.039,0:24:44.360

they are they are in the process of

 

0:24:42.039,0:24:46.760

breeding right and you'll get some of

 

0:24:44.360,0:24:49.640

that where he may be growling at her or

 

0:24:46.760,0:24:51.200

he's just you know he's making her he's

 

0:24:49.640,0:24:54.039

making her squeal a little bit and she

 

0:24:51.200,0:24:57.000

will make some whimpering and whining

 

0:24:54.039,0:25:00.279

and those sounds are typically

 

0:24:57.000,0:25:03.520

specifically related to that uh you know

 

0:25:00.279,0:25:06.679

to that female being in heat and in the

 

0:25:03.520,0:25:09.840

process of either being breed or

 

0:25:06.679,0:25:11.720

harassed to breed right right and I'm

 

0:25:09.840,0:25:13.760

assuming like these type of sounds you

 

0:25:11.720,0:25:15.960

can run you can use these to start off

 

0:25:13.760,0:25:18.760

your stand ining the breeding season or

 

0:25:15.960,0:25:21.760

they you can use them be followed up U

 

0:25:18.760,0:25:24.600

behind uh say your invitation house

 

0:25:21.760,0:25:26.480

right in group house type stuff yeah and

 

0:25:24.600,0:25:28.440

I usually that's usually how I put them

 

0:25:26.480,0:25:31.520

in my sequence I just kind start through

 

0:25:28.440,0:25:36.640

with the lone house PA house into those

 

0:25:31.520,0:25:39.640

social type wines into the more breeding

 

0:25:36.640,0:25:41.559

type wines and whimpers and then right

 

0:25:39.640,0:25:43.360

on through to the more aggressive stuff

 

0:25:41.559,0:25:45.080

towards the end of the sequence well

 

0:25:43.360,0:25:47.840

let's talk about the more aggressive

 

0:25:45.080,0:25:50.399

stuff what about breeding fights is it

 

0:25:47.840,0:25:53.200

best to save those for the very end what

 

0:25:50.399,0:25:55.080

are some examples of of breeding fights

 

0:25:53.200,0:25:57.760

of I'm assuming girl fights one of the

 

0:25:55.080,0:26:00.279

breeding fights is that correct girl

 

0:25:57.760,0:26:02.159

fight Fe some of these are some new ones

 

0:26:00.279,0:26:04.360

that are you know people are going to be

 

0:26:02.159,0:26:07.240

able to get uh girl fight's one that's

 

0:26:04.360,0:26:11.080

been real popular bumping grind hooked

 

0:26:07.240,0:26:15.279

pair uh female face off mean girls bad

 

0:26:11.080,0:26:18.520

girls fight Humpty bumpty uh and then

 

0:26:15.279,0:26:22.919

hot sauce and fire sauce uh two new ones

 

0:26:18.520,0:26:25.559

that are coming out uh those are all

 

0:26:22.919,0:26:28.760

fight sounds that I'm definitely putting

 

0:26:25.559,0:26:31.600

in those are directly uh were directly

 

0:26:28.760,0:26:34.399

recorded in association with breeding CS

 

0:26:31.600,0:26:36.159

so they are absolutely breeding fights

 

0:26:34.399,0:26:38.120

and you'll hear the growling and the

 

0:26:36.159,0:26:40.640

whimpering some of them are coats that

 

0:26:38.120,0:26:42.960

are actually tied up to where another

 

0:26:40.640,0:26:45.559

male is circling around close by and you

 

0:26:42.960,0:26:47.279

got you got two coats that are knoted up

 

0:26:45.559,0:26:49.880

and that male is trying to keep that

 

0:26:47.279,0:26:53.159

other one away and so you get all kinds

 

0:26:49.880,0:26:56.039

of different sounds going on um with

 

0:26:53.159,0:26:58.440

some of those fights and girl fight is

 

0:26:56.039,0:27:03.120

are that's two hot people emails going

 

0:26:58.440,0:27:04.960

at it so yeah I I use I mean that's just

 

0:27:03.120,0:27:07.320

automatic they're going to be in every

 

0:27:04.960,0:27:09.080

sequence some of those fights right

 

0:27:07.320,0:27:10.720

right well that's uh that's good stuff I

 

0:27:09.080,0:27:12.840

know a lot of people is excited about

 

0:27:10.720,0:27:14.880

some of these new sounds new sounds

 

0:27:12.840,0:27:17.600

coming out and you guys be able to find

 

0:27:14.880,0:27:20.120

them on the mfk game call.com website

 

0:27:17.600,0:27:21.399

and the gofoxpro.com website and

 

0:27:20.120,0:27:23.399

definitely need to be putting some of

 

0:27:21.399,0:27:25.000

these to the test this breeding season

 

0:27:23.399,0:27:27.120

see what you come up with everybody

 

0:27:25.000,0:27:29.600

loves new sounds right Tori I'm sure you

 

0:27:27.120,0:27:31.240

never get ask about new sounds right oh

 

0:27:29.600,0:27:33.159

man that's like I like I told you before

 

0:27:31.240,0:27:34.960

we got on the phone I think I'd answered

 

0:27:33.159,0:27:36.720

every message and then before we could

 

0:27:34.960,0:27:38.120

talk I had seven more come in wanting to

 

0:27:36.720,0:27:40.519

know about sounds and a lot of them

 

0:27:38.120,0:27:42.559

breeding related and yeah everybody

 

0:27:40.519,0:27:45.159

likes new sounds and and I'm glad they

 

0:27:42.559,0:27:47.159

like them you know that means that means

 

0:27:45.159,0:27:49.880

we're doing something right and like

 

0:27:47.159,0:27:51.640

seeing them kill the coach too exactly

 

0:27:49.880,0:27:53.080

well the next question I got for you

 

0:27:51.640,0:27:55.159

pretty much answered it earlier you said

 

0:27:53.080,0:27:57.519

your your sequence kind of gets longer

 

0:27:55.159,0:27:59.200

and stuff get stuff gets added to it but

 

0:27:57.519,0:28:01.080

I wanted to ask you about pray distress

 

0:27:59.200,0:28:02.640

sounds during the breeding season while

 

0:28:01.080,0:28:04.760

you think about that how much do you use

 

0:28:02.640,0:28:06.000

pray distress sounds during the breeding

 

0:28:04.760,0:28:09.480

season for

 

0:28:06.000,0:28:12.519

kows pretty much every time I mean we're

 

0:28:09.480,0:28:14.679

we're telling people about specific

 

0:28:12.519,0:28:17.120

breeding sounds to put that breeding

 

0:28:14.679,0:28:19.720

sequence together but I think anytime

 

0:28:17.120,0:28:22.320

you get I mean we we talk about on just

 

0:28:19.720,0:28:24.600

about every episode you always need to

 

0:28:22.320,0:28:26.120

trip triggers and you got to remember

 

0:28:24.600,0:28:28.559

when you're calling during breeding

 

0:28:26.120,0:28:31.000

season that not all the coats you're

 

0:28:28.559,0:28:32.480

calling to are breeding coats right

 

0:28:31.000,0:28:34.200

you're gonna have you're gonna have some

 

0:28:32.480,0:28:35.880

of those young coats that that's it's

 

0:28:34.200,0:28:37.720

their first year you're going to have

 

0:28:35.880,0:28:39.240

some of those coats that are older coats

 

0:28:37.720,0:28:40.919

that are lone coats that are not

 

0:28:39.240,0:28:42.679

participating in breeding or that didn't

 

0:28:40.919,0:28:45.840

pair up and

 

0:28:42.679,0:28:48.519

so they may not be they may be whooped

 

0:28:45.840,0:28:50.080

down and not interested or maybe they

 

0:28:48.519,0:28:52.640

maybe they're just not gonna come to the

 

0:28:50.080,0:28:54.600

breeding Type S right you also have

 

0:28:52.640,0:28:56.840

Bobcats you know and stuff during the

 

0:28:54.600,0:28:58.840

winter time that you're calling to so I

 

0:28:56.840,0:29:00.080

think I think we both do the same thing

 

0:28:58.840,0:29:03.039

I know I've heard you talk about it and

 

0:29:00.080,0:29:06.440

you described that earlier sequence most

 

0:29:03.039,0:29:08.440

of the time before I get into those hows

 

0:29:06.440,0:29:10.559

and the breeding sequence part of it and

 

0:29:08.440,0:29:11.880

I even made a note here for this and you

 

0:29:10.559,0:29:14.640

asked me about it anyway I know you

 

0:29:11.880,0:29:17.960

would but I usually add you know one or

 

0:29:14.640,0:29:20.360

two pray sounds I typically start with

 

0:29:17.960,0:29:21.919

it and I might even mix one in you know

 

0:29:20.360,0:29:24.080

somewhere during the middle or start

 

0:29:21.919,0:29:26.600

with a couple of different ones for you

 

0:29:24.080,0:29:28.039

know two three minutes just to see if

 

0:29:26.600,0:29:31.519

there's something going bite on those

 

0:29:28.039,0:29:34.279

pray sounds before I go into those hows

 

0:29:31.519,0:29:36.880

and the rest of that breeding sequence

 

0:29:34.279,0:29:39.519

and one other thing you know we're

 

0:29:36.880,0:29:42.399

talking about the the breeding sequences

 

0:29:39.519,0:29:44.039

and the breeding fights I run those I

 

0:29:42.399,0:29:45.480

pretty pretty much start with that prey

 

0:29:44.039,0:29:47.919

distress then I'll run through that

 

0:29:45.480,0:29:51.559

breeding sequence and then if nothing

 

0:29:47.919,0:29:53.880

has shown up I'm still G to end with a

 

0:29:51.559,0:29:55.320

different type fight different than a

 

0:29:53.880,0:29:58.000

than a breeding fight which is going to

 

0:29:55.320,0:30:00.440

be something like pound time which is

 

0:29:58.000,0:30:02.360

kind of that's a multiple use sound

 

0:30:00.440,0:30:04.240

there with the Peck and Order and the

 

0:30:02.360,0:30:06.360

food and everything combined then you

 

0:30:04.240,0:30:08.360

got table scraps which was a food fight

 

0:30:06.360,0:30:10.840

and then you've got Bight challenge

 

0:30:08.360,0:30:14.360

which is just an allout aggressive just

 

0:30:10.840,0:30:17.440

a I mean it's just a mean fight that

 

0:30:14.360,0:30:19.600

progresses through so I'm typically

 

0:30:17.440,0:30:22.360

gonna actually end The

 

0:30:19.600,0:30:24.880

Stand start it with prey distress and

 

0:30:22.360,0:30:28.679

end it with some kind of fight outside

 

0:30:24.880,0:30:30.919

of what you know side of my breing well

 

0:30:28.679,0:30:33.240

you know we hunted together last last

 

0:30:30.919,0:30:35.640

January it was if I remember right it

 

0:30:33.240,0:30:37.960

was like third or fourth week of January

 

0:30:35.640,0:30:40.720

and killed killed a ton of Couts we were

 

0:30:37.960,0:30:44.440

daytime hunting and uh you know I think

 

0:30:40.720,0:30:46.120

we killed like 18 but what at least half

 

0:30:44.440,0:30:47.919

those coyes actually came to prey

 

0:30:46.120,0:30:49.880

distress didn't they I mean we killed

 

0:30:47.919,0:30:52.760

just as many off prey distress as we did

 

0:30:49.880,0:30:54.559

anything yeah well those breeding pairs

 

0:30:52.760,0:30:56.960

you know and and part of the Cs we

 

0:30:54.559,0:30:58.960

called in that's a excellent example

 

0:30:56.960,0:31:01.159

because we had coats come in that were

 

0:30:58.960,0:31:02.960

probably paired coats when we were

 

0:31:01.159,0:31:05.200

killing some of those multiples and then

 

0:31:02.960,0:31:08.080

we also had stands for one long coat

 

0:31:05.200,0:31:11.440

come in that was probably not a paired

 

0:31:08.080,0:31:13.880

coat and so that's why you want to make

 

0:31:11.440,0:31:17.159

sure you do that you know you add those

 

0:31:13.880,0:31:19.919

pray sounds in and you just cover like

 

0:31:17.159,0:31:21.559

like we said you add sounds to your

 

0:31:19.919,0:31:23.559

sequence you know during the summer time

 

0:31:21.559,0:31:26.200

you can get by pretty much with how's P

 

0:31:23.559,0:31:27.919

distress in a couple fights Y and then

 

0:31:26.200,0:31:29.919

as your season progress you get in

 

0:31:27.919,0:31:31.279

family bust up it gets a little bit

 

0:31:29.919,0:31:32.760

longer because you start adding a little

 

0:31:31.279,0:31:34.760

bit of Praise stuff in there but you

 

0:31:32.760,0:31:36.600

hadn't added those breeding sounds yet

 

0:31:34.760,0:31:39.960

right and then you just keep on rolling

 

0:31:36.600,0:31:42.679

forward and before long you you've added

 

0:31:39.960,0:31:45.919

more basically what you've done is added

 

0:31:42.679,0:31:48.799

more stuff to your spring and summer

 

0:31:45.919,0:31:51.080

sequence and kind of adjusted length of

 

0:31:48.799,0:31:54.320

time and stuff like that to get you know

 

0:31:51.080,0:31:55.120

to get your winter sequence down that

 

0:31:54.320,0:31:57.320

will

 

0:31:55.120,0:31:59.960

include and cover everything that that's

 

0:31:57.320,0:32:02.000

going on Coes are still eating Coy still

 

0:31:59.960,0:32:04.279

had pecking order they've just added

 

0:32:02.000,0:32:06.519

pairing and breeding to the mix yep

 

0:32:04.279,0:32:08.880

we're adding sounds to that to cover

 

0:32:06.519,0:32:11.760

pairing and breeding awesome that's

 

0:32:08.880,0:32:13.760

great info and uh you you mentioned

 

0:32:11.760,0:32:15.320

stuff in adding into your sequence you

 

0:32:13.760,0:32:18.200

know let's go ahead and and tell

 

0:32:15.320,0:32:20.880

everybody what a what a breeding season

 

0:32:18.200,0:32:23.720

sequence sounds like from Tory cook it's

 

0:32:20.880,0:32:25.519

you know it's mid mid January late

 

0:32:23.720,0:32:27.279

January early February whatever you want

 

0:32:25.519,0:32:29.840

to call it just smack dab right now

 

0:32:27.279,0:32:31.679

right in the breeding season what uh you

 

0:32:29.840,0:32:33.320

can you can name more than one sequence

 

0:32:31.679,0:32:35.600

if you want Tor but kind of tell us

 

0:32:33.320,0:32:37.679

about how you run through a sequence

 

0:32:35.600,0:32:40.080

what sound you're playing from start to

 

0:32:37.679,0:32:41.360

finish well I was prepared this time

 

0:32:40.080,0:32:43.200

since you told me we was going to

 

0:32:41.360,0:32:45.880

specifically be talking about breeding

 

0:32:43.200,0:32:47.919

and breing sounds I went ahead and wrote

 

0:32:45.880,0:32:49.960

down I didn't get you off guard on this

 

0:32:47.919,0:32:51.960

one did I that's right that's right I

 

0:32:49.960,0:32:54.279

went ahead and wrote down some that have

 

0:32:51.960,0:32:57.440

been wrote down some that have been

 

0:32:54.279,0:33:00.519

killer in the past and wrote down some

 

0:32:57.440,0:33:03.760

that are going to be using these new

 

0:33:00.519,0:33:05.760

sounds that you know we're releasing

 

0:33:03.760,0:33:06.880

that uh I've already had a lot of good

 

0:33:05.760,0:33:08.360

luck with them because I've been using

 

0:33:06.880,0:33:12.000

them for a while but they're gonna be

 

0:33:08.360,0:33:13.720

brand new for people so um and I call

 

0:33:12.000,0:33:15.559

this one this first one I'll start with

 

0:33:13.720,0:33:17.200

I call it a true we talked about female

 

0:33:15.559,0:33:20.000

invitation house earlier and how to go

 

0:33:17.200,0:33:23.960

about that I I would consider this a

 

0:33:20.000,0:33:25.519

true femil invitation breeding sequence

 

0:33:23.960,0:33:27.320

and I've had a lot of luck with this

 

0:33:25.519,0:33:29.600

I've used this for a couple years years

 

0:33:27.320,0:33:31.399

now with with a lot of luck and what I

 

0:33:29.600,0:33:33.880

do is start with those little beeh house

 

0:33:31.399,0:33:35.639

there's four of them U and you don't

 

0:33:33.880,0:33:39.159

have to start in this exact order you

 

0:33:35.639,0:33:41.440

can mix those hows however but this is

 

0:33:39.159,0:33:44.320

uh a true female imitation breeding

 

0:33:41.440,0:33:46.679

sequence I start with L little be let it

 

0:33:44.320,0:33:49.200

play all the way through wait a minute

 

0:33:46.679,0:33:51.279

or two 30 seconds whatever just a little

 

0:33:49.200,0:33:53.960

a little Gap in there follow right

 

0:33:51.279,0:33:56.240

behind that with little be ready house

 

0:33:53.960,0:33:57.559

same thing wait a minute or two see if

 

0:33:56.240,0:34:00.000

something shows up

 

0:33:57.559,0:34:02.880

go right behind that with hot little bee

 

0:34:00.000,0:34:06.360

house follow that with sexy little bee

 

0:34:02.880,0:34:11.200

house and that will give you that series

 

0:34:06.360,0:34:14.480

of Lone hows lone lonely female house in

 

0:34:11.200,0:34:16.919

that drawn out sequence to to create a

 

0:34:14.480,0:34:19.440

true female invitation once I get

 

0:34:16.919,0:34:21.520

through that I go right into what we

 

0:34:19.440,0:34:24.359

mentioned earlier which is going to be

 

0:34:21.520,0:34:26.960

those social and breeding type sounds

 

0:34:24.359,0:34:29.760

and that's female breeding grow chirps

 

0:34:26.960,0:34:31.679

killer sound's been out for a while I'll

 

0:34:29.760,0:34:34.079

play it for you know two or three

 

0:34:31.679,0:34:35.879

minutes and then fall right into girl

 

0:34:34.079,0:34:37.679

fight and this sequence or at least a

 

0:34:35.879,0:34:39.119

good portion of it with the female

 

0:34:37.679,0:34:42.359

breeding grow chirps and some of those

 

0:34:39.119,0:34:44.079

little beeh house ending with girl fight

 

0:34:42.359,0:34:48.119

was a sequence that was actually used in

 

0:34:44.079,0:34:51.520

one of the Easterns that won um so

 

0:34:48.119,0:34:54.200

that's a that's a killer a killer uh

 

0:34:51.520,0:34:56.599

breeding sequence uh that features those

 

0:34:54.200,0:34:58.720

true female invitation and then another

 

0:34:56.599,0:35:02.320

one this is again using some of the

 

0:34:58.720,0:35:05.839

older sounds that have been working for

 

0:35:02.320,0:35:08.680

years uh breeding sequence number one

 

0:35:05.839,0:35:10.480

come here lonely house I start with it

 

0:35:08.680,0:35:14.079

wait a minute or two and then I go right

 

0:35:10.480,0:35:15.920

into those pair house Buu pair after it

 

0:35:14.079,0:35:17.920

plays the pool sequence I'll wait a

 

0:35:15.920,0:35:20.720

minute or two and then I go right into

 

0:35:17.920,0:35:23.200

subordinate mail this is an extremely

 

0:35:20.720,0:35:25.240

overlooked sound because it has the word

 

0:35:23.200,0:35:27.320

male in the title and people are scared

 

0:35:25.240,0:35:29.280

to use it but I know you've told me I

 

0:35:27.320,0:35:31.880

think I think you said it was Jeff Jeff

 

0:35:29.280,0:35:33.880

loves it Jeff Ryder loves that sound

 

0:35:31.880,0:35:36.880

there's a handful of people that know

 

0:35:33.880,0:35:38.560

about this sound and know how effective

 

0:35:36.880,0:35:40.280

it is it's a killer sound so don't let

 

0:35:38.560,0:35:41.920

the title fo you and and I'll tell you

 

0:35:40.280,0:35:44.880

what subordinate male is and why it

 

0:35:41.920,0:35:47.079

works so good subordinate male is

 

0:35:44.880,0:35:48.920

there's two cows paired up and this

 

0:35:47.079,0:35:51.359

subordinate male is trying to get in on

 

0:35:48.920,0:35:52.440

the action I can't remember I think I

 

0:35:51.359,0:35:54.119

can't remember if that was Boone or

 

0:35:52.440,0:35:56.440

smack at that time because they swapped

 

0:35:54.119,0:35:58.720

places in the pecking order but it's one

 

0:35:56.440,0:36:00.599

of them that's the subordinate male and

 

0:35:58.720,0:36:02.520

he's getting a little bit too close and

 

0:36:00.599,0:36:04.880

when he'll get too close I think that's

 

0:36:02.520,0:36:06.800

when smack was still the uh the

 

0:36:04.880,0:36:08.520

subordinate coat Boon would run over

 

0:36:06.800,0:36:09.800

there and kind of jump on him and he'd

 

0:36:08.520,0:36:11.960

roll over on his back and go to

 

0:36:09.800,0:36:14.560

whimpering whining and that's where that

 

0:36:11.960,0:36:17.079

subordinate male pissing on himself and

 

0:36:14.560,0:36:19.359

those cows know what those sounds mean

 

0:36:17.079,0:36:21.319

so even though that's a male coat a lot

 

0:36:19.359,0:36:25.560

of people like I'm scared that might be

 

0:36:21.319,0:36:27.960

too aggressive it is a male in a in a

 

0:36:25.560,0:36:30.160

submissive position and it calls cats

 

0:36:27.960,0:36:31.760

it's a it's a good sound yep so I'll do

 

0:36:30.160,0:36:34.160

it for two three minutes and then I'll

 

0:36:31.760,0:36:36.760

go right into hooked pair hooked pair

 

0:36:34.160,0:36:38.520

was recorded at the same time frame and

 

0:36:36.760,0:36:40.480

it's so it's when the coats actually the

 

0:36:38.520,0:36:42.440

male and the female actually get locked

 

0:36:40.480,0:36:44.400

up they are hooked and there's some

 

0:36:42.440,0:36:47.599

growling and whining and whimpering

 

0:36:44.400,0:36:48.960

going on and then I'll end that sequence

 

0:36:47.599,0:36:50.839

you know I'll play that for a minute or

 

0:36:48.960,0:36:56.359

two and then I'll go right into bumping

 

0:36:50.839,0:36:58.240

gr another long time producer uh and

 

0:36:56.359,0:36:59.800

like we said before I'll start all of

 

0:36:58.240,0:37:02.560

these sequences with a couple minutes of

 

0:36:59.800,0:37:05.119

some kind of prey sound and I'll end all

 

0:37:02.560,0:37:06.599

of them with one of those different

 

0:37:05.119,0:37:08.839

fights that are not a breeding fight

 

0:37:06.599,0:37:11.040

Pound Town table scraps fight challenge

 

0:37:08.839,0:37:13.640

something like that so just keep in mind

 

0:37:11.040,0:37:15.319

all these sequences that I'm naming

 

0:37:13.640,0:37:17.119

start with a couple minutes of prey

 

0:37:15.319,0:37:18.400

distress and end with one of those fight

 

0:37:17.119,0:37:20.640

so so what you're doing is you're gonna

 

0:37:18.400,0:37:23.560

go ahead and kill that 32 pound Bobcat

 

0:37:20.640,0:37:25.599

right off the bat that's exactly right

 

0:37:23.560,0:37:28.160

you know how it

 

0:37:25.599,0:37:29.599

work yeah just the last couple weeks

 

0:37:28.160,0:37:32.359

I've seen where you know you and some

 

0:37:29.599,0:37:36.079

people been doing that y getting getting

 

0:37:32.359,0:37:38.359

coats and bobcats on same stand yep but

 

0:37:36.079,0:37:39.880

uh this is another one and now we're

 

0:37:38.359,0:37:41.400

starting to get into some of these newer

 

0:37:39.880,0:37:44.359

sounds that people have been asking

 

0:37:41.400,0:37:46.000

about they're finally here I know right

 

0:37:44.359,0:37:49.480

off the bat you asked me about one of

 

0:37:46.000,0:37:51.640

these but uh this is another breeding

 

0:37:49.480,0:37:54.000

sequence after I get through those pray

 

0:37:51.640,0:37:56.920

sounds I'll go right to juice lonely

 

0:37:54.000,0:38:00.800

female that is the C Nam juice she in

 

0:37:56.920,0:38:03.680

heat and one of my favorite house I'll

 

0:38:00.800,0:38:07.720

start with it wait a minute or two go

 

0:38:03.680,0:38:10.079

right to side kick pair and you

 

0:38:07.720,0:38:12.319

know you asked me about it right before

 

0:38:10.079,0:38:15.000

we ever even started talking it's a I've

 

0:38:12.319,0:38:17.440

had coats come to that sound year round

 

0:38:15.000,0:38:20.680

I like it during the breeding season but

 

0:38:17.440,0:38:22.760

we've had coats in Texas and multiple of

 

0:38:20.680,0:38:25.359

Tennessee Arkansas Mississippi I mean

 

0:38:22.760,0:38:27.480

everywhere we've tried this sound have

 

0:38:25.359,0:38:29.839

coats show up while it's playing they

 

0:38:27.480,0:38:31.440

don't H back necessarily they just show

 

0:38:29.839,0:38:33.720

up they come running in and that's

 

0:38:31.440,0:38:36.880

exactly what we had at in Texas y so

 

0:38:33.720,0:38:39.240

I'll I'll do that sidekick pair wait a

 

0:38:36.880,0:38:41.800

minute or two and I'll go into greeting

 

0:38:39.240,0:38:44.359

lines and that's that is one of those

 

0:38:41.800,0:38:47.319

social interaction coach do it all time

 

0:38:44.359,0:38:49.520

of the year but there's a peak during up

 

0:38:47.319,0:38:51.839

rearing and breeding season when they

 

0:38:49.520,0:38:53.560

really make this sound males and females

 

0:38:51.839,0:38:55.640

make it and it's just a whimpering

 

0:38:53.560,0:38:57.599

whining sound and and what it means is

 

0:38:55.640,0:39:01.680

come here every every time that I've

 

0:38:57.599,0:39:03.480

seen CS do it it's either the pair

 

0:39:01.680,0:39:04.960

calling to each other when one of them's

 

0:39:03.480,0:39:06.560

trying to leave and the other one's not

 

0:39:04.960,0:39:08.000

coming they'll make that sound and

 

0:39:06.560,0:39:10.040

typically that it triggers that other

 

0:39:08.000,0:39:12.319

one to come on y same thing happens when

 

0:39:10.040,0:39:15.200

they're calling the pups and then I

 

0:39:12.319,0:39:18.240

follow it with one of the

 

0:39:15.200,0:39:20.359

specific breeding type lnes and chirps

 

0:39:18.240,0:39:24.200

and whimpers it's called cornered hottie

 

0:39:20.359,0:39:26.599

and it's exactly what we were describing

 

0:39:24.200,0:39:28.599

earlier and the name of the title

 

0:39:26.599,0:39:30.760

cornered hottie this is a male that's

 

0:39:28.599,0:39:32.720

got a c a female backed up in a Treet

 

0:39:30.760,0:39:34.800

toop he's harassing her she's not quite

 

0:39:32.720,0:39:36.599

ready yet he's messing with her and

 

0:39:34.800,0:39:38.760

she's just kind of chirping and whining

 

0:39:36.599,0:39:40.880

as he gets too close you know kind of

 

0:39:38.760,0:39:42.839

snapping and chirping and and whimpering

 

0:39:40.880,0:39:45.240

around pillar

 

0:39:42.839,0:39:47.560

sound uh then I follow it here's where

 

0:39:45.240,0:39:49.560

you get into the fight portion of it and

 

0:39:47.560,0:39:52.280

this sequence was actually recorded

 

0:39:49.560,0:39:54.839

consecutively with the cornered hottie

 

0:39:52.280,0:39:57.359

and then it gets more aggressive because

 

0:39:54.839,0:39:58.599

another female cat they're both in heat

 

0:39:57.359,0:40:00.480

they get up there and they kind of get

 

0:39:58.599,0:40:02.319

into it so female face off they're

 

0:40:00.480,0:40:05.079

standing there growling and kind of

 

0:40:02.319,0:40:07.240

going at it basically cussing each other

 

0:40:05.079,0:40:08.440

out and before long they end up getting

 

0:40:07.240,0:40:10.359

in some fight one of them's more

 

0:40:08.440,0:40:12.400

submissive than the other one so one of

 

0:40:10.359,0:40:14.480

the coats is doing more growling and

 

0:40:12.400,0:40:18.280

snapping snarling and the other ones

 

0:40:14.480,0:40:20.760

doing some yelping and hollering and uh

 

0:40:18.280,0:40:22.960

so I'll go from cornered hotti to female

 

0:40:20.760,0:40:25.119

face off and these sounds are kind of

 

0:40:22.960,0:40:26.599

these fight sounds are shorter than most

 

0:40:25.119,0:40:28.800

of the fights they're only like a minute

 

0:40:26.599,0:40:31.240

or so long so I go female face off

 

0:40:28.800,0:40:33.520

follow it with mean girl fight follow it

 

0:40:31.240,0:40:35.240

with bad girl fight and that basically

 

0:40:33.520,0:40:37.119

is just a progression you're kind of

 

0:40:35.240,0:40:39.560

running one fight with those three

 

0:40:37.119,0:40:42.520

sounds but it's a progression of them

 

0:40:39.560,0:40:45.119

coming together cussing each other out

 

0:40:42.520,0:40:47.800

getting tied up and then as it goes it

 

0:40:45.119,0:40:49.839

gets more aggressive So you you're kind

 

0:40:47.800,0:40:52.560

of stringing that scenario together it's

 

0:40:49.839,0:40:55.960

a legit that's not just playing random

 

0:40:52.560,0:40:57.839

sounds that's creating a a fight that's

 

0:40:55.960,0:41:00.520

creating a

 

0:40:57.839,0:41:02.440

breeding standoff and fight that

 

0:41:00.520,0:41:04.520

actually took place and I I was standing

 

0:41:02.440,0:41:07.880

there to record it right awesome good

 

0:41:04.520,0:41:10.079

stuff a good one and then uh I got a

 

0:41:07.880,0:41:11.880

third one this is getting into some of

 

0:41:10.079,0:41:13.800

the newer coat some of the stuff we

 

0:41:11.880,0:41:15.319

talked about I think we're I think we're

 

0:41:13.800,0:41:17.760

on number four now I think you've

 

0:41:15.319,0:41:19.119

already G three sequences there yeah

 

0:41:17.760,0:41:21.400

yeah this will actually well I called

 

0:41:19.119,0:41:23.079

that first one it it actually will be

 

0:41:21.400,0:41:25.960

the fourth

 

0:41:23.079,0:41:28.560

one but anyway it's uh I start off with

 

0:41:25.960,0:41:30.440

fire girl big girl happy pair fire girl

 

0:41:28.560,0:41:32.920

and big girl are paired up they do a

 

0:41:30.440,0:41:35.839

pair how wait a minute or two go right

 

0:41:32.920,0:41:38.359

into lover's quarrel and that's where

 

0:41:35.839,0:41:40.560

these cats are have just started pairing

 

0:41:38.359,0:41:42.760

up so they're still they had really

 

0:41:40.560,0:41:45.200

bonded yet they're still you know

 

0:41:42.760,0:41:48.200

they're still getting into it and uh so

 

0:41:45.200,0:41:50.880

lovers quarrel is that it's it's them

 

0:41:48.200,0:41:53.760

kind of having a a spat there and then I

 

0:41:50.880,0:41:56.280

follow that with Stanky Leg stanky leg

 

0:41:53.760,0:41:58.319

is similar to cornered hottie but with a

 

0:41:56.280,0:42:01.079

different coat and this is a a female

 

0:41:58.319,0:42:04.319

coat that's in heat he's getting around

 

0:42:01.079,0:42:06.920

her she's whimpering whining and uh it's

 

0:42:04.319,0:42:10.079

true it's one of those true breeding

 

0:42:06.920,0:42:12.640

related whimpers and wines and then I

 

0:42:10.079,0:42:15.200

end that

 

0:42:12.640,0:42:17.480

with I think this sound is

 

0:42:15.200,0:42:20.319

gonna just be one of

 

0:42:17.480,0:42:23.359

them the next Pound Town type sound is

 

0:42:20.319,0:42:25.160

called Humpty bumpty and uh I'm Lo I'm

 

0:42:23.359,0:42:26.720

loving these names by the

 

0:42:25.160,0:42:28.200

way

 

0:42:26.720,0:42:30.559

well I mean they're pretty

 

0:42:28.200,0:42:34.200

self-explanatory humpy bumpy this pair

 

0:42:30.559,0:42:36.880

of coats they have got locked up they're

 

0:42:34.200,0:42:39.880

tied up and there's another male coat

 

0:42:36.880,0:42:42.720

little Heathen is in the mix and he is

 

0:42:39.880,0:42:44.920

circling around and it turns into an all

 

0:42:42.720,0:42:48.000

out I mean starts out with growling this

 

0:42:44.920,0:42:49.760

male is growling this female is

 

0:42:48.000,0:42:51.359

whimpering she's hurting she's

 

0:42:49.760,0:42:53.000

whimpering in whne and they're pulling

 

0:42:51.359,0:42:55.160

back and forth of course they're keep in

 

0:42:53.000,0:42:57.520

mind these CS are locked up at the time

 

0:42:55.160,0:43:00.800

right but they're locked up breeding and

 

0:42:57.520,0:43:02.559

trying to fight so good that's got

 

0:43:00.800,0:43:07.079

that's got a create a

 

0:43:02.559,0:43:08.640

response oh it's a unique sound and uh I

 

0:43:07.079,0:43:10.319

think that sequence right there is gonna

 

0:43:08.640,0:43:11.920

be a killer it's a little more

 

0:43:10.319,0:43:13.599

aggressive you know every all of those

 

0:43:11.920,0:43:16.400

sounds in that with the exception of

 

0:43:13.599,0:43:18.559

Stanky Leg they're uh you know they're a

 

0:43:16.400,0:43:21.400

little more aggressive so kind of as I'm

 

0:43:18.559,0:43:24.119

going through these breeding sequences

 

0:43:21.400,0:43:26.520

they're getting a little more you know a

 

0:43:24.119,0:43:28.000

little more aggressive so you can you

 

0:43:26.520,0:43:29.880

can keep that in mind you know if you're

 

0:43:28.000,0:43:32.480

planning on trying some of these and

 

0:43:29.880,0:43:34.800

then the last one that I'll mention is

 

0:43:32.480,0:43:37.680

uh I've already mentioned the juice

 

0:43:34.800,0:43:40.280

house one time this is a different the

 

0:43:37.680,0:43:43.359

first one was juice lonely female this

 

0:43:40.280,0:43:45.559

one is Juicy house I really like get

 

0:43:43.359,0:43:48.760

coat and that's why it's in another

 

0:43:45.559,0:43:52.000

sequence but I'll start with Juicy house

 

0:43:48.760,0:43:53.920

female in heat and uh let it play out

 

0:43:52.000,0:43:56.880

wait a minute or two nothing shows up I

 

0:43:53.920,0:44:00.280

go into love Hurtz Paar and Love Hurts

 

0:43:56.880,0:44:03.200

pair is similar to lover's quarrel in

 

0:44:00.280,0:44:05.720

that it's two coats that are paired up

 

0:44:03.200,0:44:08.640

and they get into it and so you've got

 

0:44:05.720,0:44:10.599

them growling and and some yapping and

 

0:44:08.640,0:44:13.800

stuff like that pretty unique sound

 

0:44:10.599,0:44:16.440

follow that with Juicy tail juicy tail

 

0:44:13.800,0:44:18.520

is a hot female that's doing those same

 

0:44:16.440,0:44:20.559

whimpers and stuff like with stanky leg

 

0:44:18.520,0:44:22.599

or cornered hottie but what's different

 

0:44:20.559,0:44:24.480

about juicy tail is there's a lot of

 

0:44:22.599,0:44:26.760

growling mixed in there she's fussing

 

0:44:24.480,0:44:29.079

and growling and that male is ated so

 

0:44:26.760,0:44:32.960

he's growling something too so it's a

 

0:44:29.079,0:44:35.359

it's a little more aggressive version of

 

0:44:32.960,0:44:38.440

that hot female that's doing the

 

0:44:35.359,0:44:41.520

whimpers and then I end that with the

 

0:44:38.440,0:44:44.520

fight sounds which would be hot sauce

 

0:44:41.520,0:44:47.640

going right into fire sauce and though

 

0:44:44.520,0:44:52.040

again those were recorded back to back

 

0:44:47.640,0:44:54.160

between two coats that get into it and

 

0:44:52.040,0:44:56.400

from hot sauce to Fire Sauce all it's

 

0:44:54.160,0:44:59.640

doing is just getting more more

 

0:44:56.400,0:45:01.640

aggressive so uh you know I'd play hot

 

0:44:59.640,0:45:03.400

sauce for a minute or two or swap right

 

0:45:01.640,0:45:05.359

over into fire sauce if I wanted to add

 

0:45:03.400,0:45:08.640

a little more aggression to that same

 

0:45:05.359,0:45:11.319

type fight and uh they'll be killer

 

0:45:08.640,0:45:13.040

awesome guaranteed well Cory I can't

 

0:45:11.319,0:45:15.599

thank you enough for that guys what

 

0:45:13.040,0:45:18.680

about that just gave you five not just a

 

0:45:15.599,0:45:20.640

breeding sequence from Tory cook for for

 

0:45:18.680,0:45:21.960

KY breeding season he gave you five

 

0:45:20.640,0:45:23.440

pretty sure that five is keeping track

 

0:45:21.960,0:45:25.480

is either four five six something like I

 

0:45:23.440,0:45:29.480

think it's five sequences right there so

 

0:45:25.480,0:45:32.720

go put to the test see what you call up

 

0:45:29.480,0:45:34.520

awesome great stuff Tor I guarantee they

 

0:45:32.720,0:45:37.319

G I mean there's a couple of those I

 

0:45:34.520,0:45:39.000

even hate giving out but you know

 

0:45:37.319,0:45:40.880

because I hadn't got to use them enough

 

0:45:39.000,0:45:42.599

yet you know I some of them I like to

 

0:45:40.880,0:45:45.720

use them for a little while longer but

 

0:45:42.599,0:45:47.720

right right breeding season is short so

 

0:45:45.720,0:45:50.839

got to take care got to take care of the

 

0:45:47.720,0:45:52.319

killers while got the chance right just

 

0:45:50.839,0:45:53.839

you said right here some of these sounds

 

0:45:52.319,0:45:55.319

are new and I just mentioned this

 

0:45:53.839,0:45:56.920

earlier but you know there's going to be

 

0:45:55.319,0:45:59.880

a lot of these sounds that a lot of you

 

0:45:56.920,0:46:03.880

guys don't have if you want them mfk

 

0:45:59.880,0:46:05.319

game calls.com and gofoxpro.com look up

 

0:46:03.880,0:46:06.960

in the sound librar as you'll be able to

 

0:46:05.319,0:46:09.920

get those sounds put them out there to

 

0:46:06.960,0:46:12.440

work U Tor I got a couple questions I

 

0:46:09.920,0:46:14.359

want to ask you here before we leave out

 

0:46:12.440,0:46:16.680

well hold on hold on you always try to

 

0:46:14.359,0:46:19.200

put me on the spot every time I I try to

 

0:46:16.680,0:46:20.839

always flip the script so so you don't

 

0:46:19.200,0:46:22.359

just if people don't have success you

 

0:46:20.839,0:46:24.559

know they ain't gonna just put it off on

 

0:46:22.359,0:46:28.480

me so what give you got to give me at

 

0:46:24.559,0:46:30.480

least one oh my gosh well I haven't I

 

0:46:28.480,0:46:32.359

know you can go back into the archives

 

0:46:30.480,0:46:34.400

and grab some of the fox Pro sounds that

 

0:46:32.359,0:46:35.480

you've used in the past for you know

 

0:46:34.400,0:46:37.319

maybe some of these people that don't

 

0:46:35.480,0:46:40.599

have new sounds yet and they want to get

 

0:46:37.319,0:46:43.280

out there yep I I can I can definitely

 

0:46:40.599,0:46:47.000

definitely give one out and and this is

 

0:46:43.280,0:46:48.920

uh pretty much this is um kind of a

 

0:46:47.000,0:46:51.359

generic sequence that I've used for

 

0:46:48.920,0:46:53.400

years and I'll continue to use it I'll

 

0:46:51.359,0:46:55.760

use it this breeding season it always

 

0:46:53.400,0:46:58.240

produces coyotes every year almost

 

0:46:55.760,0:47:00.880

almost everybody has these sounds on

 

0:46:58.240,0:47:02.920

their eall there is one thing that I

 

0:47:00.880,0:47:04.599

throw in there different and and anybody

 

0:47:02.920,0:47:06.920

that's ever listened to podcast in the

 

0:47:04.599,0:47:10.200

past you've ever been to my listen to a

 

0:47:06.920,0:47:14.079

seminar that I put on you've heard this

 

0:47:10.200,0:47:17.040

sequence and what I do is on my ecall

 

0:47:14.079,0:47:19.200

whether I'm running a x24 Shockwave no

 

0:47:17.040,0:47:22.839

matter what it OC

 

0:47:19.200,0:47:25.480

cs24c all even a CS 24b that's how long

 

0:47:22.839,0:47:29.520

I've been running this sequence what I

 

0:47:25.480,0:47:32.319

do is I will start out with us at a

 

0:47:29.520,0:47:34.319

mouth diaphragms house yes I do run a

 

0:47:32.319,0:47:36.000

mouth diaphragm from time to time one of

 

0:47:34.319,0:47:38.880

the main times I do it is during the

 

0:47:36.000,0:47:40.839

breeding season and it's kind of doing

 

0:47:38.880,0:47:43.440

pretty much what tor's been talking

 

0:47:40.839,0:47:46.240

about I'll let out a set up what I

 

0:47:43.440,0:47:48.559

consider imitation house lone house off

 

0:47:46.240,0:47:51.720

my mouth diaphragm and then I answer

 

0:47:48.559,0:47:54.520

them back with my ecall and I'm usually

 

0:47:51.720,0:47:56.400

running female sorous it's a pretty it's

 

0:47:54.520,0:47:58.520

a horsey sounding Fe email is kind of an

 

0:47:56.400,0:48:00.079

aggressive type sound in how and a lot

 

0:47:58.520,0:48:01.720

of times what I'm doing I'm letting off

 

0:48:00.079,0:48:03.920

some hals with my mouth diaphragm and

 

0:48:01.720,0:48:06.640

then almost cutting myself off with

 

0:48:03.920,0:48:08.319

those female Sore house I've been

 

0:48:06.640,0:48:09.640

waiting just a minute or so and then I'm

 

0:48:08.319,0:48:13.440

going right into those breeding type

 

0:48:09.640,0:48:15.319

sounds Fox Pro female wimers if you've

 

0:48:13.440,0:48:17.640

never played it you need to be playing

 

0:48:15.319,0:48:19.240

it it's a great sound coyes will come

 

0:48:17.640,0:48:22.800

rushing into it and what I'm usually

 

0:48:19.240,0:48:25.160

doing is mixing those female wimers with

 

0:48:22.800,0:48:27.079

uh coyote growls I just bump them back

 

0:48:25.160,0:48:28.680

and forth hitting recall from one to the

 

0:48:27.079,0:48:31.040

other then all a sudden I'll start

 

0:48:28.680,0:48:34.359

mixing in something like uh uh pup

 

0:48:31.040,0:48:36.440

screams or old uh coyote death cry just

 

0:48:34.359,0:48:39.160

all back to back to back and it's pretty

 

0:48:36.440,0:48:42.000

much just creating a a it's a breeding

 

0:48:39.160,0:48:44.319

sequence there two Coyotes out there

 

0:48:42.000,0:48:45.960

they meet up there's some breeding

 

0:48:44.319,0:48:47.520

action going on with the whimpers and

 

0:48:45.960,0:48:49.240

the growls and then when you start

 

0:48:47.520,0:48:51.720

adding in those pup distress sounds what

 

0:48:49.240,0:48:53.599

you've done is is you brought the fight

 

0:48:51.720,0:48:55.760

into it right and then of course I'll

 

0:48:53.599,0:48:59.079

play that on out and I'll finish with

 

0:48:55.760,0:49:01.359

guess what Pound Town pound town and

 

0:48:59.079,0:49:03.319

usually I I like to run two fights I'll

 

0:49:01.359,0:49:06.839

hit pound town and I'll finish up the

 

0:49:03.319,0:49:08.680

last sound I make is uh mfk fight

 

0:49:06.839,0:49:11.000

challenge it's become one of my favorite

 

0:49:08.680,0:49:13.680

fights that I run year round there's

 

0:49:11.000,0:49:16.240

been many a times I've run through

 

0:49:13.680,0:49:17.920

everything on my sound list and I'm

 

0:49:16.240,0:49:19.960

almost certain that there's coyotes sit

 

0:49:17.920,0:49:22.000

there and listen to Everything I played

 

0:49:19.960,0:49:23.359

and then when I hit fight challenge they

 

0:49:22.000,0:49:24.960

come running right up here like they've

 

0:49:23.359,0:49:26.240

never heard a call before in their lives

 

0:49:24.960,0:49:28.160

and you dump them right on top of you

 

0:49:26.240,0:49:29.839

call so that's pretty much my sequence

 

0:49:28.160,0:49:32.079

right there for breeding season I've run

 

0:49:29.839,0:49:34.200

that for years mouth diaphragm house

 

0:49:32.079,0:49:36.240

female Sore house I start mixing in

 

0:49:34.200,0:49:39.040

female wimers with kyot grass pup

 

0:49:36.240,0:49:41.599

screams and I finish with two fights

 

0:49:39.040,0:49:43.680

about a 25 minute about a 25 minute

 

0:49:41.599,0:49:45.480

stand that's good stuff and if people

 

0:49:43.680,0:49:48.040

are paying attention that sequence you

 

0:49:45.480,0:49:50.240

mentioned is basically just an older

 

0:49:48.040,0:49:52.000

version and we just keep adding more

 

0:49:50.240,0:49:55.680

sounds to it that are pretty much

 

0:49:52.000,0:49:57.119

recreating that same type scenario

 

0:49:55.680,0:49:58.720

that's been working forever and that

 

0:49:57.119,0:50:00.280

will continue to work only thing we're

 

0:49:58.720,0:50:03.319

doing is giving you more sequences and

 

0:50:00.280,0:50:06.240

more sounds right that you can use to to

 

0:50:03.319,0:50:08.480

keep uh keep ground fresh well I'm glad

 

0:50:06.240,0:50:11.480

you glad you put me on a spot there I

 

0:50:08.480,0:50:13.400

wasn't ready for that well I'm glad you

 

0:50:11.480,0:50:14.799

mention them the mouth diaphragms I'm

 

0:50:13.400,0:50:16.799

gonna have to try

 

0:50:14.799,0:50:19.680

them hey you know you know anything

 

0:50:16.799,0:50:22.599

about a mouth diaphragm you ever run on

 

0:50:19.680,0:50:25.799

hey I'm glad you mentioned that because

 

0:50:22.599,0:50:28.200

that adds and testing all these sounds

 

0:50:25.799,0:50:30.040

and stuff I I mean anybody that's better

 

0:50:28.200,0:50:32.760

kept up knows I love the diaphragm deal

 

0:50:30.040,0:50:35.359

that's what got me started and they are

 

0:50:32.760,0:50:37.640

absolutely killer yeah I mean adding

 

0:50:35.359,0:50:39.200

them that's a good tip I'm glad I ask

 

0:50:37.640,0:50:41.720

you that question because really and

 

0:50:39.200,0:50:43.839

truly they should add that to any

 

0:50:41.720,0:50:46.119

sequence that they're doing it just it's

 

0:50:43.839,0:50:48.160

a different type sound and it it trigger

 

0:50:46.119,0:50:50.160

it's another way to trigger codes so

 

0:50:48.160,0:50:52.040

that's good stuff that was one good

 

0:50:50.160,0:50:54.799

thing about a mouth diaphragm if you're

 

0:50:52.040,0:50:57.400

howling on it and and a lot of people's

 

0:50:54.799,0:50:59.799

intimidated B but listen you don't have

 

0:50:57.400,0:51:01.599

to be world champion stage caller Tory

 

0:50:59.799,0:51:03.240

cook to call up a coyot with a mouth

 

0:51:01.599,0:51:04.760

diaphragm there's a lot of people out

 

0:51:03.240,0:51:07.119

there they'll try them and they will

 

0:51:04.760,0:51:09.240

make a Coy how but they don't think it

 

0:51:07.119,0:51:10.839

sounds all that great or they'll let one

 

0:51:09.240,0:51:12.920

out and their buddy will kind of Snicker

 

0:51:10.839,0:51:14.200

at them like that didn't sound too good

 

0:51:12.920,0:51:17.240

you going to call nothing in with that

 

0:51:14.200,0:51:18.760

you know type type deal well guess what

 

0:51:17.240,0:51:20.559

you could let those hows out and you

 

0:51:18.760,0:51:22.359

might be down in a dum say man I ain't

 

0:51:20.559,0:51:24.440

going to call no coyotes up squawking on

 

0:51:22.359,0:51:26.240

this stupid thing and then you look up

 

0:51:24.440,0:51:28.040

guess what Here Comes a coyote come out

 

0:51:26.240,0:51:30.359

to see what's going on hackles up

 

0:51:28.040,0:51:32.839

bristled up mattering a hornet you will

 

0:51:30.359,0:51:34.760

call coyotes up you don't have to be the

 

0:51:32.839,0:51:37.119

best in the world at it and one of the

 

0:51:34.760,0:51:39.720

best things about a mouth diaphragm is

 

0:51:37.119,0:51:42.960

is everybody's unique with one that's

 

0:51:39.720,0:51:45.200

your own personal sound file that nobody

 

0:51:42.960,0:51:47.760

else has got nobody else can use it cuz

 

0:51:45.200,0:51:51.000

not two people sound exactly alike it's

 

0:51:47.760,0:51:53.920

your voice it's your Cadence it's that's

 

0:51:51.000,0:51:55.520

your specific sound file that nobody

 

0:51:53.920,0:51:57.880

else has got so that's always going to

 

0:51:55.520,0:51:59.960

be fresh no matter where you go behind

 

0:51:57.880,0:52:01.920

anybody else calling or whatever that is

 

0:51:59.960,0:52:03.240

your sound file and and you know it's

 

0:52:01.920,0:52:06.480

one of those things that you don't have

 

0:52:03.240,0:52:07.880

to worry about your buddy or somebody

 

0:52:06.480,0:52:09.200

else that hunts the same properties

 

0:52:07.880,0:52:12.119

they're not wearing that sound out

 

0:52:09.200,0:52:14.079

because they ain't got it it's yours

 

0:52:12.119,0:52:16.240

that's right I mean I've always said if

 

0:52:14.079,0:52:18.160

you're not adding if you if you don't

 

0:52:16.240,0:52:19.720

know how to do it all you need to learn

 

0:52:18.160,0:52:21.920

how to do it all because that's just

 

0:52:19.720,0:52:24.280

you're up in your game by doing it every

 

0:52:21.920,0:52:26.040

time just to another

 

0:52:24.280,0:52:29.799

tool

 

0:52:26.040,0:52:29.799

good stuff I'm glad you brought it

 

0:52:29.880,0:52:35.680

up oh boy all right well I'm G ask I'm

 

0:52:33.000,0:52:38.040

gonna ask you some stuff right here I've

 

0:52:35.680,0:52:41.640

asked I've asked the last couple well a

 

0:52:38.040,0:52:44.200

few of the last ones on the podcast is

 

0:52:41.640,0:52:45.599

um if I was to drop you off on a

 

0:52:44.200,0:52:48.880

deserted

 

0:52:45.599,0:52:51.680

island middle of nowhere no this a girl

 

0:52:48.880,0:52:53.440

question n this is this is like out in

 

0:52:51.680,0:52:55.559

the wilderness you don't have I dropped

 

0:52:53.440,0:52:57.960

you out of a helicopter blindfolded

 

0:52:55.559,0:53:01.119

there's there's no civilization

 

0:52:57.960,0:53:03.880

for thousands of

 

0:53:01.119,0:53:06.760

miles well there's the situation you're

 

0:53:03.880,0:53:09.480

there I'm going to hand you an x24 load

 

0:53:06.760,0:53:13.599

it up with every sound that fox Pro and

 

0:53:09.480,0:53:17.359

mfk got your mission is you've got to

 

0:53:13.599,0:53:19.359

call up and kill a coyot you call up and

 

0:53:17.359,0:53:20.960

kill a coyot I fly back in there the

 

0:53:19.359,0:53:24.359

helicopter pick you up take you back

 

0:53:20.960,0:53:27.720

home okay so you can go back see to Lyn

 

0:53:24.359,0:53:31.280

yep you're choice is you get to pick a

 

0:53:27.720,0:53:33.799

firearm and you get one bullet that's

 

0:53:31.280,0:53:35.799

all you got you got one shot you get a

 

0:53:33.799,0:53:37.280

Call of coy up and you have got to kill

 

0:53:35.799,0:53:41.280

it with that one

 

0:53:37.280,0:53:43.760

bullet what caliber or gaug shotgun are

 

0:53:41.280,0:53:47.240

you choosing to save your life when your

 

0:53:43.760,0:53:49.400

life depends on you killing a c what F

 

0:53:47.240,0:53:52.400

what cartridge what caliber what what

 

0:53:49.400,0:53:55.520

are you taking what are you choosing to

 

0:53:52.400,0:53:57.599

take well I mean with it being and me

 

0:53:55.520,0:54:00.640

this is probably going to be the more

 

0:53:57.599,0:54:03.160

unpopular but for me I'm so confident

 

0:54:00.640,0:54:06.040

and use a shotgun so much I'm also

 

0:54:03.160,0:54:08.280

confident that I can call up a c close

 

0:54:06.040,0:54:09.720

anywhere because I've got those good

 

0:54:08.280,0:54:11.839

sounds you mentioned that I'm gonna have

 

0:54:09.720,0:54:14.960

with me so I'm confident I can get the

 

0:54:11.839,0:54:16.599

coy close and I'm confident I GNA get

 

0:54:14.960,0:54:20.119

him with that shotgun so I'm gonna take

 

0:54:16.599,0:54:24.359

that I'm gonna take that 870 pump with a

 

0:54:20.119,0:54:25.960

3inch load of Apex PSS 2s that's what

 

0:54:24.359,0:54:28.319

I'm going to kill him

 

0:54:25.960,0:54:29.720

and and you might as well don't even

 

0:54:28.319,0:54:31.040

take off you might as well keep sitting

 

0:54:29.720,0:54:32.000

there in your playe cuz it ain't going

 

0:54:31.040,0:54:35.319

to take

 

0:54:32.000,0:54:38.280

long I love it I love it because you're

 

0:54:35.319,0:54:39.760

the first one you're first well actually

 

0:54:38.280,0:54:42.799

a couple different things here you're

 

0:54:39.760,0:54:44.839

the first one that mentioned a shotgun

 

0:54:42.799,0:54:47.000

which I think's awesome it just kind of

 

0:54:44.839,0:54:48.480

goes on with you wasn't surprised though

 

0:54:47.000,0:54:50.040

no I wasn't surprised it wasn't

 

0:54:48.480,0:54:51.599

surprised I thought it could have went a

 

0:54:50.040,0:54:53.319

couple different ways but I knew that

 

0:54:51.599,0:54:54.920

was in the mix I knew that was going to

 

0:54:53.319,0:54:58.040

be in the mix but I going to tell you

 

0:54:54.920,0:55:01.000

what what I really like about this is uh

 

0:54:58.040,0:55:04.119

is the confidence that I think it says a

 

0:55:01.000,0:55:06.599

lot about Tory cook it it it says a lot

 

0:55:04.119,0:55:08.640

about the the faith he has and his

 

0:55:06.599,0:55:11.200

sounds and the unit that he's running

 

0:55:08.640,0:55:14.559

from Fox Pro he's confident that he's

 

0:55:11.200,0:55:16.319

gonna call a Coy up into shotgun range I

 

0:55:14.559,0:55:19.440

think it says a lot I think it is

 

0:55:16.319,0:55:21.960

awesome awesome awesome answer

 

0:55:19.440,0:55:23.960

everywhere we've ever been we've been

 

0:55:21.960,0:55:25.720

able to to call them things right on top

 

0:55:23.960,0:55:28.280

of us you know didn't matter the state

 

0:55:25.720,0:55:31.160

or or whatever and it is I mean it's

 

0:55:28.280,0:55:35.039

it's a combination of good sounds a good

 

0:55:31.160,0:55:37.119

call and you know experience I guess to

 

0:55:35.039,0:55:38.680

throw that in there but yeah them things

 

0:55:37.119,0:55:40.359

when they hear them when they hear them

 

0:55:38.680,0:55:42.240

good sounds coming out of them Fox Bros

 

0:55:40.359,0:55:45.240

they gon they want to stick your nose in

 

0:55:42.240,0:55:48.559

it so if you set up right they'll do it

 

0:55:45.240,0:55:51.480

well I got one more for you same

 

0:55:48.559,0:55:53.359

situation dropped you out you you're

 

0:55:51.480,0:55:56.039

descending down into this Wilderness and

 

0:55:53.359,0:55:59.319

with your parachute you got you shotgun

 

0:55:56.039,0:56:01.000

strapped to you you got your x24 but the

 

0:55:59.319,0:56:03.640

bad thing was before I dropped you off I

 

0:56:01.000,0:56:06.960

said you can only have three Sounds new

 

0:56:03.640,0:56:08.480

sounds three of mfk new sounds that's

 

0:56:06.960,0:56:10.960

coming out for breeding

 

0:56:08.480,0:56:13.039

season you get to use those three sounds

 

0:56:10.960,0:56:14.760

to make sure you call up a coyot before

 

0:56:13.039,0:56:16.760

I come back to save your life which

 

0:56:14.760,0:56:19.000

three calls three sounds are you putting

 

0:56:16.760,0:56:19.000

on that

 

0:56:20.440,0:56:26.559

x24 specifically breeding related I

 

0:56:23.240,0:56:29.200

would go with

 

0:56:26.559,0:56:33.079

juice lonely female I love that that

 

0:56:29.200,0:56:33.079

coat in her house

 

0:56:35.599,0:56:40.839

um only three sounds I'm I'm gonna throw

 

0:56:38.559,0:56:44.319

greet and wines in there as the next

 

0:56:40.839,0:56:45.559

one uh just because I've used it a

 

0:56:44.319,0:56:48.119

little

 

0:56:45.559,0:56:51.680

more and then the last one is going to

 

0:56:48.119,0:56:53.640

be Humpty bumpy I just have I haven't

 

0:56:51.680,0:56:54.880

used that sound a whole lot yet I've

 

0:56:53.640,0:56:57.319

used it enough to know that it works

 

0:56:54.880,0:56:59.599

works but I it's again one of those

 

0:56:57.319,0:57:02.200

confidence things I just believe that

 

0:56:59.599,0:57:05.839

that sound is going to be one of

 

0:57:02.200,0:57:07.400

those that's all you need sometimes so

 

0:57:05.839,0:57:08.640

those would be the those would be the

 

0:57:07.400,0:57:09.839

three and if I was going to throw a

 

0:57:08.640,0:57:11.880

fourth one in there I'd throw that

 

0:57:09.839,0:57:13.400

sidekick pair right in behind those

 

0:57:11.880,0:57:15.720

those juicy house go ahead and give me

 

0:57:13.400,0:57:17.319

that pull sequence right well you know I

 

0:57:15.720,0:57:18.880

might give you an extra one throw you a

 

0:57:17.319,0:57:21.720

Lifeline there

 

0:57:18.880,0:57:25.000

so that's good stuff to I'm still I'm

 

0:57:21.720,0:57:26.920

still I you know I've there's no right

 

0:57:25.000,0:57:28.960

or wrong answers when it comes to which

 

0:57:26.920,0:57:30.880

firearm you want because really it's

 

0:57:28.960,0:57:32.440

whatever you're you're most most

 

0:57:30.880,0:57:34.760

comfortable with one thing I think about

 

0:57:32.440,0:57:38.160

too is you know I'm always wondering if

 

0:57:34.760,0:57:41.200

somebody's going to tell me a caliber or

 

0:57:38.160,0:57:43.480

a gauge or or whatever that they want to

 

0:57:41.200,0:57:45.680

take to save their life but in everyday

 

0:57:43.480,0:57:47.039

cow hunt they use something else I'm

 

0:57:45.680,0:57:48.960

waiting for that answer one of these

 

0:57:47.039,0:57:50.359

days but so far everybody's told me

 

0:57:48.960,0:57:52.240

something you know they they pretty much

 

0:57:50.359,0:57:54.240

use that caliber that they say and that

 

0:57:52.240,0:57:55.400

means they got confidence in it and

 

0:57:54.240,0:57:56.520

that's what they take you know if your

 

0:57:55.400,0:57:59.240

life depending on it what are you going

 

0:57:56.520,0:58:03.480

to take you know if so

 

0:57:59.240,0:58:05.400

what's what's your answer to both those

 

0:58:03.480,0:58:06.280

questions well the first one's going to

 

0:58:05.400,0:58:08.480

be

 

0:58:06.280,0:58:11.079

22250 and the reason is just kind of

 

0:58:08.480,0:58:13.119

like what we was talking about um you

 

0:58:11.079,0:58:15.640

know I'm confident I've used I've used a

 

0:58:13.119,0:58:18.200

22250 ever since I

 

0:58:15.640,0:58:22.079

was I think I shot my first Co with a

 

0:58:18.200,0:58:24.200

22250 when I was 16 so I've been using

 

0:58:22.079,0:58:26.400

it you know I'm old now I'm in my mid

 

0:58:24.200,0:58:28.880

40s so so I've been using it that long

 

0:58:26.400,0:58:30.720

and I've just got confidence in it I

 

0:58:28.880,0:58:32.640

know it'll kill every Coy that's ever

 

0:58:30.720,0:58:34.960

walked it'll kill every Coy that you'll

 

0:58:32.640,0:58:36.240

ever call in if you do your part and

 

0:58:34.960,0:58:38.119

that's what I'm confident in I know how

 

0:58:36.240,0:58:40.119

it shoots that's what I'm taking I'm not

 

0:58:38.119,0:58:41.760

going to sit here and tell you you know

 

0:58:40.119,0:58:43.440

you that's what I'm waiting I'm waiting

 

0:58:41.760,0:58:44.280

on somebody come you know they might use

 

0:58:43.440,0:58:46.440

a

 

0:58:44.280,0:58:47.400

223 every time they go out their hunt

 

0:58:46.440,0:58:48.400

but then I'm going to ask them this

 

0:58:47.400,0:58:51.119

question to save their life they're

 

0:58:48.400,0:58:56.319

going to say 243 and I'm gonna be uhhuh

 

0:58:51.119,0:58:58.079

uhhuh what are you shooting at 223 for

 

0:58:56.319,0:59:00.720

but all that's good stuff I think it's

 

0:58:58.079,0:59:02.400

awesome I just what I really like I'm

 

0:59:00.720,0:59:04.079

gonna say it again that you have the

 

0:59:02.400,0:59:06.319

confidence that you know you're gonna

 

0:59:04.079,0:59:09.480

call up a Coy close to use that shotty

 

0:59:06.319,0:59:12.200

that's awesome oh yeah if if you were

 

0:59:09.480,0:59:15.559

gonna and I this is kind of a throwing

 

0:59:12.200,0:59:19.440

in that spin at at you a little

 

0:59:15.559,0:59:23.200

bit if if it had to be a rifle caliber I

 

0:59:19.440,0:59:25.480

would choose a 22 250 even though I've

 

0:59:23.200,0:59:28.480

never killed a cow with them I would do

 

0:59:25.480,0:59:31.000

that because I know so many people like

 

0:59:28.480,0:59:33.920

you and several of my other buddies Greg

 

0:59:31.000,0:59:36.680

you know there's a pileum car Wayne uh

 

0:59:33.920,0:59:40.039

just a pile of them just a pile of

 

0:59:36.680,0:59:41.640

successful Cod Hunters that have killed

 

0:59:40.039,0:59:43.400

so I mean some of them have switched to

 

0:59:41.640,0:59:45.079

other calibers trying them out you know

 

0:59:43.400,0:59:47.119

they on something different now of

 

0:59:45.079,0:59:49.520

course yeah yeah but I don't know of

 

0:59:47.119,0:59:52.200

anybody I don't know of anybody that

 

0:59:49.520,0:59:54.680

ever bad miles a 22250 when it comes to

 

0:59:52.200,0:59:56.280

a rifle caliber for a matter of fact in

 

0:59:54.680,0:59:57.760

fact I just had a guy message me the

 

0:59:56.280,0:59:59.319

other day and he was wanting to pin me

 

0:59:57.760,1:00:02.640

down on what and I told him right off

 

0:59:59.319,1:00:04.839

the bat in the text messages he was want

 

1:00:02.640,1:00:06.319

know what rival caliber um he was

 

1:00:04.839,1:00:09.200

getting into cow hunting he wanted my

 

1:00:06.319,1:00:10.880

advice on a rifle and I told him I said

 

1:00:09.200,1:00:12.640

man I'm not the guy to ask I shoot

 

1:00:10.880,1:00:15.920

everything with a shotgun and a bow

 

1:00:12.640,1:00:17.280

right and uh I kind of left it at that

 

1:00:15.920,1:00:18.920

well he come back on there and he said

 

1:00:17.280,1:00:21.359

well I'd still like to know if you were

 

1:00:18.920,1:00:24.160

gonna buy one what would you get and so

 

1:00:21.359,1:00:27.000

I told him I said well just based off of

 

1:00:24.160,1:00:29.920

the experience of other people that I

 

1:00:27.000,1:00:33.160

trust and know were experienced that's

 

1:00:29.920,1:00:34.960

what I'd pick so if I and and I have

 

1:00:33.160,1:00:36.839

killed coats with a two4 and that would

 

1:00:34.960,1:00:38.240

probably be I was kind of when you first

 

1:00:36.839,1:00:40.680

asked me that question I was kind of

 

1:00:38.240,1:00:42.640

going through that scenario of distance

 

1:00:40.680,1:00:45.960

and all that kind of stuff and

 

1:00:42.640,1:00:49.039

immediately I'm call him up close but I

 

1:00:45.960,1:00:50.480

thought about you know like 243 22250

 

1:00:49.039,1:00:52.920

that was the stuff that popped in my

 

1:00:50.480,1:00:56.000

head because I shot a 243 back when I

 

1:00:52.920,1:00:57.640

used to deer hunt y with a gun which was

 

1:00:56.000,1:01:00.520

I hadn't shot a deer with a gun since

 

1:00:57.640,1:01:02.960

the 90s but anyway that's uh that would

 

1:01:00.520,1:01:05.559

be the I'd go with that 22250 if if I

 

1:01:02.960,1:01:08.160

was gonna pick a rifle and had to even

 

1:01:05.559,1:01:09.880

though I've never shot one it's as far

 

1:01:08.160,1:01:13.119

as killing a cow one you said you don't

 

1:01:09.880,1:01:15.839

hardly ever hear anybody or if any ever

 

1:01:13.119,1:01:19.160

hear anybody bad mouth of 22250 if you

 

1:01:15.839,1:01:20.520

ever do smack them in the mouth they hey

 

1:01:19.160,1:01:21.960

that's what they deserve is smacked in

 

1:01:20.520,1:01:23.839

the mouth but just like you said trying

 

1:01:21.960,1:01:25.799

out other calibers man I've done that a

 

1:01:23.839,1:01:31.079

ton I've shot Coast with all kinds of

 

1:01:25.799,1:01:33.319

stuff run 243s 22 Creeds six Creeds shot

 

1:01:31.079,1:01:35.160

them with so many different calibers and

 

1:01:33.319,1:01:37.039

and I've never really had one that I

 

1:01:35.160,1:01:40.559

just absolutely dislike you know I've

 

1:01:37.039,1:01:42.880

shot them with 204 17 remingtons 223s

 

1:01:40.559,1:01:45.119

all that stuff but no matter what I've

 

1:01:42.880,1:01:46.680

tried I guess it's it's one of those

 

1:01:45.119,1:01:49.520

things where I've had so much success

 

1:01:46.680,1:01:51.359

with the 250 and I started out with it

 

1:01:49.520,1:01:52.760

and and and do it for a living now

 

1:01:51.359,1:01:54.680

that's what I just always keep falling

 

1:01:52.760,1:01:56.200

right back to it's like at safe space

 

1:01:54.680,1:01:58.960

you know it's that it's that comfort

 

1:01:56.200,1:02:00.160

zone I know I can trust it and you know

 

1:01:58.960,1:02:02.119

I can always go back to it and it's

 

1:02:00.160,1:02:04.640

going to do a good job for me not saying

 

1:02:02.119,1:02:06.200

that the sixth Creed or 243 won't it's

 

1:02:04.640,1:02:08.680

just I've got that much experience with

 

1:02:06.200,1:02:11.599

the 250 and that's what I want to

 

1:02:08.680,1:02:14.000

run well confidence plays a huge role

 

1:02:11.599,1:02:16.640

when you're in you know

 

1:02:14.000,1:02:18.480

high high stress situations and if it

 

1:02:16.640,1:02:20.680

was life and death that's definitely a

 

1:02:18.480,1:02:22.079

high stress situation you stranded so

 

1:02:20.680,1:02:25.520

you definitely want something you feel

 

1:02:22.079,1:02:27.240

comfortable with have confidence

 

1:02:25.520,1:02:29.200

what was the what was the you didn't

 

1:02:27.240,1:02:31.440

name three sounds you got name three

 

1:02:29.200,1:02:34.880

sounds good grief good

 

1:02:31.440,1:02:37.640

grief let me see here three sounds to

 

1:02:34.880,1:02:38.920

make sure I had on there I'm going to go

 

1:02:37.640,1:02:41.000

ahead and

 

1:02:38.920,1:02:43.880

say I'm going to I know I'm going to

 

1:02:41.000,1:02:45.359

finish my stand with uh mfk fight

 

1:02:43.880,1:02:46.520

challenge so that's number one that's

 

1:02:45.359,1:02:50.359

going to be at the end I'm going to play

 

1:02:46.520,1:02:52.640

at the end and then I'm probably going

 

1:02:50.359,1:02:52.640

to

 

1:02:52.920,1:02:57.480

take I tell you what I going to do I'm

 

1:02:55.240,1:02:59.440

going throw in two mfk sounds and I'm

 

1:02:57.480,1:03:01.640

going to throw a fox PRO Sound in there

 

1:02:59.440,1:03:04.279

I'm going to start off with camir

 

1:03:01.640,1:03:06.039

lonely come here lonely house and then

 

1:03:04.279,1:03:08.680

I'm gonna play Miss

 

1:03:06.039,1:03:10.160

nah I'm gonna flip a coin between kg

 

1:03:08.680,1:03:12.319

Cottontail and Mrs MC Cottontail

 

1:03:10.160,1:03:14.240

whichever I'm gonna pick Ki for heads

 

1:03:12.319,1:03:15.880

and Mrs M Cotton Tail for Tails

 

1:03:14.240,1:03:18.079

whichever it falls on I'll be totally

 

1:03:15.880,1:03:20.000

happy with okay so it's just like I

 

1:03:18.079,1:03:21.440

almost let you just choose it for me

 

1:03:20.000,1:03:23.960

that's how much confident I got those

 

1:03:21.440,1:03:25.400

two rabbit sounds that I want mfk fight

 

1:03:23.960,1:03:28.400

challenge for the end so I'm going to

 

1:03:25.400,1:03:31.039

take a come here lonely house either Ki

 

1:03:28.400,1:03:32.319

or Mrs I'll let you Mrs moton I'll let

 

1:03:31.039,1:03:33.720

you pick which one of those two pra

 

1:03:32.319,1:03:36.279

sounds and I'm gonna finish it up a

 

1:03:33.720,1:03:39.359

fight Challengers my three

 

1:03:36.279,1:03:42.720

sounds sounds like it'd work I don't

 

1:03:39.359,1:03:42.720

think you'd be on the island long

 

1:03:42.920,1:03:47.880

either to we appreciate you coming on

 

1:03:45.520,1:03:50.440

such a great podcast give a lot of

 

1:03:47.880,1:03:53.640

wisdom lot of lot of great educational

 

1:03:50.440,1:03:56.119

stuff here um thank you for sharing

 

1:03:53.640,1:03:58.440

those sounds sequences five five killer

 

1:03:56.119,1:04:01.200

sound sequences for a breeding season

 

1:03:58.440,1:04:03.640

guys put those five to the test um I

 

1:04:01.200,1:04:05.319

think you'll be calling K all five but

 

1:04:03.640,1:04:06.920

if you strike out on all five might try

 

1:04:05.319,1:04:09.720

my old school sequence there you might

 

1:04:06.920,1:04:12.200

be surprised might be calling stuff in

 

1:04:09.720,1:04:13.720

um again Tor I always ask you this do

 

1:04:12.200,1:04:15.520

you want to you want to leave us with

 

1:04:13.720,1:04:18.520

anything before we hop off

 

1:04:15.520,1:04:20.920

here hey that that thank you as always

 

1:04:18.520,1:04:24.680

really appreciate everybody that Tunes

 

1:04:20.920,1:04:27.880

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1:04:24.680,1:04:30.480

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1:04:33.559,1:04:39.599

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1:04:35.599,1:04:41.400

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1:04:39.599,1:04:42.760

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1:04:41.400,1:04:44.160

of these sounds that we mentioned maybe

 

1:04:42.760,1:04:46.079

you don't have all these sounds on your

 

1:04:44.160,1:04:47.720

unit and you want to try them out you

 

1:04:46.079,1:04:50.359

can find all these sound you can find

 

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