FOXPROs Jon Collins discusses everything coyote hunting plus an added twist to calling during breeding season with the host of Mangy Dog TV, Joey Hartley.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast on this
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episode we have Joey Harley of mang dog
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TV joining us we're going to be talking
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about something pretty cool here Joy has
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jumped into the coyot decoy dogging
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world and he does not limit it to just
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the dinning season Joey has been getting
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into some great action decoy dogging
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during the coyot breeding season this
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should be a good one joy we appreciate
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you coming on
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oh I appreciate you having me John yeah
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what uh have you uh got your dog out yet
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this
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year yeah we uh we just started getting
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them out probably two or three days ago
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um you know we haven't found any
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aggressive coyotes yet but just right
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around the corner I know we're getting
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into some yeah it'll be be here pretty
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soon we're still kind of in that preut
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time frame when we're recording this
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podcast but time it time it hits it'll
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be right in the middle of it but joy
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before we get into the thick of this
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podcast won't you tell everybody a
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little bit more about
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yourself yeah so um I moved to Kentucky
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after I got out of the army and just
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started pursuing coling coyotes fell in
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love with it
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immediately and then couple years ago I
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decided to dive into decoy doggg and got
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a dog from Idaho
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and I mean I thought I love calling
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coyotes before but the very first coyote
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that got decoys it was a whole new level
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absolutely took the best thing I've ever
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done in the outdoors and topped it so
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then we started decoying and breeding
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season hit and we decided to keep on
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decoying and we caught some coyotes that
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would
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work and from there it's just been
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nonstop obsessed with decoin anytime we
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can and um you know just icing on the
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cake we get to film it and hun with the
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family while we're doing it right right
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you know I've I'm no stranger to the
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decoy dog world I've never
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owned um my own decoy dog um but I've
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hunted with with a lot of great hunters
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out there all the way across the across
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the country has had some great dogs so
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I'm I'm definitely familiar with it but
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I've always done it in the dinning
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season so I've watched videos with you
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guys running them during the breeding
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season it looks awesome and you know I
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looking forward to sharing some stands
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with you uh later on this year to see if
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we can't get in on some of that action
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but uh uh before I start asking your a
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few questions and Diving a little bit
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more deeper in that I know you just told
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us a little bit about yourself but tell
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us about mangi dog TV you just mentioned
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you know filming filming hunts and
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hunting with your family tell us what
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mangie dog TV is all about yeah so mang
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dog TV we got the name because all the
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good names were taken you know it's kind
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of weird I don't call coyotes dogs but
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you know all all the really good ones
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like fur takers um stuff like that we're
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taking and my wife films probably 99% of
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our hunts when we're not dogging our son
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shoots he just turned 11
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yesterday and what we try to do is
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take the the Hunts and keep them kind of
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raw and realistic you know um if we're
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missing coyotes if we're blowing stands
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all of our mistakes are left on the
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video it's just we try to make it to
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where whoever's watching feels like
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they're on stand with us experiencing it
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as it
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goes pretty good stuff I've been uh I've
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been a fan ever since y'all started the
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channel and just for you guys out there
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listening if you ever want to watch some
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of Joy stuff it's it's it's a it's a
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YouTube based show just head over to to
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You YouTube look up mang dog TV and
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you're going to see some see some good
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coyote calling action especially that
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Decoy dog and they got a dog named Rip
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he's a he's a wild looking sucker and I
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tell you what he can decoy a c it's it's
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some pretty pretty awesome fast-paced
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action that you guys will definitely
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enjoy I guarantee it so um Joy there's
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probably people out here listening who
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aren't familiar familiar with decoy dog
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and coyes um won't you give us just your
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general definition of what that is of of
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coyote decoy
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dogging yeah so overall you have a
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dog that engages a coyote and works that
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KY keeps them on stand longer and
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stretches out the interaction know
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there's different opinions on what
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classifies as a dog that's decoin a
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coyote or everybody's got their own view
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on it but I like to have a dog get in
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there after him um and rips that dog so
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we try to push it as much as we can he
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loves to do it so if the kyotes are
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aggressive and their work you know we're
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have him work coyotes for 15 20 minutes
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in front of us and you you end up with
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these coyotes 15 20 yards away
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scratching bark and just yeah the
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interactions and the sides of the coyote
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that you see through the the decoin
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process is really neat yep yep that
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that's the good stuff Aon pretty much
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put it put it you know bluntly is you
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know you've still got to call a coyote
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up you you call coyotes up then your
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your dog goes out and the dog and the
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coyote actually engages with with each
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other and then it's kind of just like a
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bluffing game of one running one off and
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the other one falling it back and trying
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to run it off and it's like Joy said
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once once it happens if if it ever ends
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up into your lap which it can a lot of
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times it just steps that's a pretty
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pretty cool experience when you hear of
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a coyote just say eight 10 steps away
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from you and he's squalling barking mad
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you can feel it vibrating through your
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chest when he howls it's that's a pretty
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cool experience that'll hook
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anybody what time of uh let me ask you
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this Joy what uh what made y'all decide
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to try decoy dogging during the breeding
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season like we was talking about before
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earlier on it's you know most for most
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people it's just a dinning season time
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frame occurrence you don't see too many
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people take their decoy dogs out and try
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it during the breeding season what made
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you think that you wanted to try see if
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you can make it
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work I actually wasn't planning on it
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working well um I think I had my
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timeline backwards but we got ripped in
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the spring so when breeding season hit
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he was about eight months old okay and
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um you know I was like we can wait till
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next spring to get him on
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coyotes or we can go ahead and get him
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on coyotes now you know um so I just
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took him out figured we'd at least get
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him to engage some coyotes you know have
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him chase some get get his feet
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wet
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but the the first KY he engaged followed
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him back and then from there it's like
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you know um we're getting his dog
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exposure he's working coyotes they're
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working him we're all having an absolute
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blast so it was kind of just a a timing
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thing you know he was old enough to hunt
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by our standards and just happened to be
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breeding season so we took a shot on
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right and you was wanting to you was
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wanting to put coyotes in front of him
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you want him to see some coyotes to kind
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of get used to
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it yeah absolutely right and that and
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that's one thing I guess another thing
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we need to explain here is traditionally
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decoy doging coyotes is a is a dinning
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season time frame sport you know time
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coyotes put pups in the ground late
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Springs when you start or in the springs
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when you can start get into some of that
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action and what would you say it it it
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can be pretty good all the way through
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August would you say even in the
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September a little bit maybe I've had
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good
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stands into the first week of September
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yeah yeah so what what's going on is is
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you know your Co super aggressive
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territorial while they got pups in the
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ground and and if there's any other kind
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of canine that comes around whether it's
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a dog other coats strange coats whatever
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coats wanting to run them out of their
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area so that's prettyy much the Gest of
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it that's what's going on and of course
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another time frame when they're super
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territorial guess what it it's during
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the it's during the breeding season so
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I've got a few things here I want to ask
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you Joy that to kind of get in tight on
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this subject and uh the well the the
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first things first is is I kind of
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mentioned this just a minute ago but you
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still have to call in a coyote even if
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you are using a decoy dog isn't that
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correct yeah absolutely um you know the
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the dogs aren't helping you until you
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get the coyes called
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in right then that's when when you get a
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Cy called in that's when the that's when
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the real action starts right yeah
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absolutely
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um you know you can't just sit in the
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field and have a dog on stand and have
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ky's magically show up mad wan to wan to
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work the dog right right you got throw
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some sound out
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there when you uh when you call ks in
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during the breeding season and they do
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engage with the dogs what are you doing
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next with your Fox Pro like when you're
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on sound are you playing any sound you
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know like if the dog goes out and you've
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got a Coke that's going to work um you
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muting the call switching sounds
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switching volume keeping every the same
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everything the same what what's going
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through your mind how do you play out of
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stand once you have a cout and your dog
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decoying when I know the coyote sees rip
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and rip is running after him I'll mute
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the call when I normally let rip pretty
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much do whatever he wants with him
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reason he'll run the coyote to the
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closest piece of Timber most of the time
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uhuh and when I lose sight of that Kye
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rip will go about 10 yards in then turn
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around and come back when I see rip
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coming back I'll turn and fight
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on and then when I see that Coy coming
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I'll mute the call again gotcha and then
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um you know Rip's trying to engage with
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the sixi command yep but I also have a
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pup sound that he naturally engages off
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of uhhuh so that calls me to rip will
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come back and normally sit down like
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five feet in front of me and that Kyle
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gets up up and starts posturing I'll
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turn that pup sound on and rip takes
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back off and then I mute the call again
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I'll mute it because if you leave the
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call running the whole time the coyote
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kind of gets used to it so if the coyot
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starts to drift off and disengage you
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can't do anything at that point except
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change sounds but if you've had the call
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muted when the C starts to lose interest
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you can turn the call back on and you
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can see their interest peak again and
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normally come back in just off of that
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right well let me ask you this he was
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talking about rip coming back um are you
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commanding rip to come back when you
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want him to say like using a collar with
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a tone or a vibrate or something like
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that or or is Rip coming back when he
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feels like he needs to come back or
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both he's trained to recall
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theone but I think
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by halfway through the first summer
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season he grab grasped what we wanted
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and what we expected so much that I mean
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I don't hardly ever tell him anymore you
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know he knows what he's out there to do
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and he's good at it so he just comes
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back um pretty much right when I would
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expect him to right right I'm assuming
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you still run a collar on him though
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either way just in case you get in a
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situation where you need him to come
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back or or something like that yeah he
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he still has a collar um it's got a
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shock option too I love having that just
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um I'm a big fan and having the ability
0:12:31.720,0:12:38.279
to shock a dog to avoid some type
0:12:34.839,0:12:39.560
of horrible situation you know um he's
0:12:38.279,0:12:43.160
still a dog he's goingon to do some
0:12:39.560,0:12:44.880
silly stuff if he decides to go run
0:12:43.160,0:12:47.440
after a horse you know I'm gonna
0:12:44.880,0:12:49.760
shocking something like that I like to
0:12:47.440,0:12:51.760
have that option we are in Horse Country
0:12:49.760,0:12:54.360
here in Central kentucky that's for sure
0:12:51.760,0:12:57.480
and sometimes they can that's a that's a
0:12:54.360,0:13:00.120
nightmare in more ways than than one
0:12:57.480,0:13:05.720
that some people might not realize one
0:13:00.120,0:13:09.040
thing is is a is a horse can really
0:13:05.720,0:13:11.920
really really hurt a dog if it wants to
0:13:09.040,0:13:14.000
and just flat out maim them or kill them
0:13:11.920,0:13:17.040
or Bo you know I mean it they can they
0:13:14.000,0:13:18.800
can hold their own with a dog also a dog
0:13:17.040,0:13:20.360
can hurt a horse you never want to be
0:13:18.800,0:13:21.880
hurting somebody else's animal and
0:13:20.360,0:13:25.000
another thing about that is right here
0:13:21.880,0:13:27.040
in Central kentucky uh this is the horse
0:13:25.000,0:13:30.160
racing capital of the world there is
0:13:27.040,0:13:31.760
some high high high high dollar horses
0:13:30.160,0:13:33.240
out here in this part of the world and
0:13:31.760,0:13:36.120
you definitely don't want your dog
0:13:33.240,0:13:38.959
chasing a high dollar horse people tend
0:13:36.120,0:13:41.240
to not like that that's how you lose a
0:13:38.959,0:13:43.600
farm that's exactly how you lose a farm
0:13:41.240,0:13:46.440
and maybe maybe maybe have a lawsuit on
0:13:43.600,0:13:49.920
your hands if you ain't careful
0:13:46.440,0:13:52.839
yeah oh man it'd be a nightmare would it
0:13:49.920,0:13:55.680
oh it's horrible so what you're saying
0:13:52.839,0:13:58.160
is like when you're working a stand uh
0:13:55.680,0:14:00.320
with a CO that's been caught up him and
0:13:58.160,0:14:03.600
rips engaged they're they're playing a
0:14:00.320,0:14:05.759
game you know Rip's pushing him off he's
0:14:03.600,0:14:07.360
coming back and the couch and Tow coming
0:14:05.759,0:14:09.600
right back and they might do that two or
0:14:07.360,0:14:11.120
three times on the stand but what you're
0:14:09.600,0:14:13.519
saying you're doing is you're just
0:14:11.120,0:14:15.839
reading a body language of rip and the
0:14:13.519,0:14:18.199
coyote uh just letting them dictate the
0:14:15.839,0:14:19.360
stand how you start running your call
0:14:18.199,0:14:21.320
like how you're what you're doing with
0:14:19.360,0:14:24.639
your remote far as dictating
0:14:21.320,0:14:27.320
sound yeah absolutely and uh what's neat
0:14:24.639,0:14:29.680
is Rip does the same thing with the KY
0:14:27.320,0:14:32.880
he's working if if it's an aggressive
0:14:29.680,0:14:35.959
coyot he'll stay on them really hard but
0:14:32.880,0:14:39.320
if it's not an aggressive coyote he
0:14:35.959,0:14:42.079
switches and he allows more distance
0:14:39.320,0:14:44.720
between him and the kyot it's it's wild
0:14:42.079,0:14:47.680
to see but it's like he knows that that
0:14:44.720,0:14:49.360
kyot won't tolerate as much so he's
0:14:47.680,0:14:51.040
softer on him because he knows what the
0:14:49.360,0:14:54.279
instate of his stand is we're gonna get
0:14:51.040,0:14:58.040
that kyot killed and then if the coyote
0:14:54.279,0:15:00.600
does run off not come back he'll go out
0:14:58.040,0:15:03.240
to the last spot he saw the coyote and
0:15:00.600,0:15:05.480
keep on coming back and forth or if that
0:15:03.240,0:15:08.199
Coy's staying you know let's say 300
0:15:05.480,0:15:10.360
yards out he'll go to just like the
0:15:08.199,0:15:12.880
threshold that the coyote would tolerate
0:15:10.360,0:15:15.959
without running further and then come
0:15:12.880,0:15:18.959
back trying to pull that coyote and
0:15:15.959,0:15:21.800
closer what um what makes you decide
0:15:18.959,0:15:24.040
that it's time to uh time to dispatch a
0:15:21.800,0:15:26.120
coyote you know what do you want to see
0:15:24.040,0:15:28.160
you want to let them just milk them for
0:15:26.120,0:15:30.040
everything you can to watch the show and
0:15:28.160,0:15:31.519
then and then you know they start to
0:15:30.040,0:15:32.399
finally lose interest start to get out
0:15:31.519,0:15:33.560
of there that's when you're shooting
0:15:32.399,0:15:36.040
them or what what's telling you you're
0:15:33.560,0:15:37.880
time to shoot a Cy does rip tell you rip
0:15:36.040,0:15:39.440
say hey I'm tired of to shoot this thing
0:15:37.880,0:15:41.920
or or
0:15:39.440,0:15:44.839
what if you let it go long enough he'll
0:15:41.920,0:15:47.639
let you know but um we we try to have
0:15:44.839,0:15:50.519
him go out to engage three times yep
0:15:47.639,0:15:53.759
that's kind of our Unwritten
0:15:50.519,0:15:55.079
rule good stuff and and it seems like
0:15:53.759,0:15:57.639
you know from what I watch he's enjoying
0:15:55.079,0:16:01.480
it just as much as you guys are oh he
0:15:57.639,0:16:03.680
loves it it's it's amazing how much he
0:16:01.480,0:16:07.120
loves to go out and hunt and work
0:16:03.680,0:16:08.839
coyotes so call a coyote up rip takes
0:16:07.120,0:16:10.199
them out they come back you let that
0:16:08.839,0:16:14.000
happen two more times and then you're
0:16:10.199,0:16:17.120
all killing a Cy yep um that's the the
0:16:14.000,0:16:19.680
standard we try to go by you know if
0:16:17.120,0:16:23.519
it's a real aggressive good stand we
0:16:19.680,0:16:25.920
might let it go a little bit longer
0:16:23.519,0:16:29.279
um sometimes you can tell a K's not
0:16:25.920,0:16:31.399
coming back for the third time and
0:16:29.279,0:16:34.680
right that's where it gets hard because
0:16:31.399,0:16:37.079
we'll let some of them go and then um
0:16:34.680,0:16:39.560
we're still shoot a couple of them it
0:16:37.079,0:16:41.720
just depend on how it's been right right
0:16:39.560,0:16:43.519
that I mean that's just every C's
0:16:41.720,0:16:45.399
different I mean like talking about
0:16:43.519,0:16:46.639
earlier about body language you know
0:16:45.399,0:16:48.600
when it's probably time to get one
0:16:46.639,0:16:50.600
killed you know that he's maybe fixing
0:16:48.600,0:16:53.560
to leave and not going to come back or
0:16:50.600,0:16:56.120
just from that initial reaction but uh
0:16:53.560,0:16:57.720
um another question here I got for you
0:16:56.120,0:17:00.040
kind of on that same line say if you
0:16:57.720,0:17:02.040
call in a BRI breeding pair of coyotes
0:17:00.040,0:17:04.439
or even a family group of coyotes during
0:17:02.040,0:17:06.280
the breeding season you have some decoy
0:17:04.439,0:17:08.559
dog action you know they engage a little
0:17:06.280,0:17:10.760
bit do their thing and you shoot that
0:17:08.559,0:17:12.400
first coyot you know say he's rips took
0:17:10.760,0:17:13.720
them out two or three times whatever
0:17:12.400,0:17:16.480
you're all looking for you shoot that
0:17:13.720,0:17:18.640
first coyote what's the next move are
0:17:16.480,0:17:20.360
you are you switching sounds to work
0:17:18.640,0:17:22.480
that other coyote back in are you
0:17:20.360,0:17:23.919
shooting at that other coyote or coyote
0:17:22.480,0:17:25.120
as they're running off what's your next
0:17:23.919,0:17:26.439
move are you're trying to call those
0:17:25.120,0:17:28.640
coyotes back in for a little bit more
0:17:26.439,0:17:31.160
decoy dog action or or what's what's
0:17:28.640,0:17:33.080
going through your mind after you shoot
0:17:31.160,0:17:36.440
that first C that's either in a pair or
0:17:33.080,0:17:39.400
family group so we won't take any
0:17:36.440,0:17:42.480
running shots with rip on stand just
0:17:39.400,0:17:43.919
because you know you're focused on that
0:17:42.480,0:17:46.960
coyote and you're not focused on where
0:17:43.919,0:17:49.679
Rip's at right so we try to avoid doing
0:17:46.960,0:17:51.760
that at the at the shot Rip's gonna go
0:17:49.679,0:17:56.039
grab that coyote shot so what we're
0:17:51.760,0:17:58.400
gonna do is turn on fight and that other
0:17:56.039,0:18:01.000
coyote normally is going to look over
0:17:58.400,0:18:02.559
shoulder and see rip on that coyote and
0:18:01.000,0:18:05.120
that's going to make it turn around and
0:18:02.559,0:18:06.840
come back yeah I mean I've seen that
0:18:05.120,0:18:09.600
tons of times during the de dening
0:18:06.840,0:18:13.600
season months you know you got a you got
0:18:09.600,0:18:15.240
a den and pair or a uh or a big male or
0:18:13.600,0:18:16.720
or mean female and they've got to help
0:18:15.240,0:18:18.280
her with them or whatever and you shoot
0:18:16.720,0:18:21.480
one of them a lot of times if you got a
0:18:18.280,0:18:23.640
fight going and and that other coyot
0:18:21.480,0:18:26.320
comes back and sees the dog wooling on
0:18:23.640,0:18:29.000
its buddy usually usually you going to
0:18:26.320,0:18:30.159
see see another show pretty quick you're
0:18:29.000,0:18:32.919
I mean that's a good time to pick up
0:18:30.159,0:18:35.000
those doubles and triples a lot of times
0:18:32.919,0:18:38.600
yeah it's what Rip's going to do is he's
0:18:35.000,0:18:40.760
going to grab that KY and he it's his
0:18:38.600,0:18:43.240
now he doesn't want to give it up right
0:18:40.760,0:18:45.640
so he's gonna be holding that KY trying
0:18:43.240,0:18:48.080
to keep it away from the other Kyle that
0:18:45.640,0:18:52.080
came back and you just get this weird
0:18:48.080,0:18:55.080
keepa away game that's a blast to watch
0:18:52.080,0:18:57.720
yeah yep well me ask you this here what
0:18:55.080,0:19:00.280
what about if you call in coyotes you
0:18:57.720,0:19:02.480
know call C in and and it runs off or
0:19:00.280,0:19:04.679
they run off and they're not wanting any
0:19:02.480,0:19:07.679
part of the dog here during the breeding
0:19:04.679,0:19:10.480
season um what's your next move there do
0:19:07.679,0:19:12.159
you keep trying to work those cows from
0:19:10.480,0:19:14.280
that stand or when you see them run off
0:19:12.159,0:19:15.799
when they see rip you just get up and
0:19:14.280,0:19:19.039
leave and go to the next stand or watch
0:19:15.799,0:19:22.039
your watch your thought proc process
0:19:19.039,0:19:23.320
there you know cuz you know if they I
0:19:22.039,0:19:24.679
guess it's the one thing I guess kind of
0:19:23.320,0:19:26.520
reading their body language there how
0:19:24.679,0:19:28.440
they react but that's what I'm want to
0:19:26.520,0:19:29.799
say you got coachs it's coming good
0:19:28.440,0:19:31.640
you're you're maybe you probably even
0:19:29.799,0:19:33.440
running a breeding season type sequence
0:19:31.640,0:19:36.280
you have a pair of coyotes or a single
0:19:33.440,0:19:38.200
or whatever show up they see rip they
0:19:36.280,0:19:40.400
see the dog and they're like no we're
0:19:38.200,0:19:41.720
out of here you keep trying to call them
0:19:40.400,0:19:43.400
keep trying to milk them see if you
0:19:41.720,0:19:44.280
can't get them back in or you just get
0:19:43.400,0:19:46.760
up and
0:19:44.280,0:19:49.280
leave nine out of 10 times if they're
0:19:46.760,0:19:51.799
barking you can get them to come back um
0:19:49.280,0:19:53.919
even if it's just a so you're saying if
0:19:51.799,0:19:55.720
so you're saying if they run off and
0:19:53.919,0:19:58.280
then like go back to cover and then all
0:19:55.720,0:19:59.760
of a sudden they get to you know
0:19:58.280,0:20:04.280
whatever you're going to keep trying to
0:19:59.760,0:20:06.480
work on them yeah cuz uh I guarantee you
0:20:04.280,0:20:08.720
know they're going to be able to see
0:20:06.480,0:20:11.520
that field that you're in rips running
0:20:08.720,0:20:13.919
around there you're shuffling through
0:20:11.520,0:20:16.840
sounds if if they're barking like that
0:20:13.919,0:20:18.640
normally they're poke back out but we'll
0:20:16.840,0:20:21.080
uh we're going to stand out for a couple
0:20:18.640,0:20:23.320
minutes just to see a lot of times too
0:20:21.080,0:20:26.280
they're uh they pop up somewhere
0:20:23.320,0:20:28.240
downwind right um just to see the dog
0:20:26.280,0:20:29.799
and see what's going on again right you
0:20:28.240,0:20:32.480
know and I've seen that during the den
0:20:29.799,0:20:34.400
season months that that and it's a it's
0:20:32.480,0:20:35.880
a odd thing it's like sometimes you call
0:20:34.400,0:20:37.600
in a coyot and you might even call him
0:20:35.880,0:20:39.400
into something pretty aggressive some
0:20:37.600,0:20:41.960
kind of fight and then when he gets
0:20:39.400,0:20:43.440
there he sees a he sees a dog he sees
0:20:41.960,0:20:46.000
another canine and all a sudden he just
0:20:43.440,0:20:48.159
wigs out runs off and you're like what
0:20:46.000,0:20:50.280
in the world did that coyote expect to
0:20:48.159,0:20:51.679
see you know we were here playing fight
0:20:50.280,0:20:53.840
sounds what did that coyote want to run
0:20:51.679,0:20:55.480
up here and find so it's kind of one of
0:20:53.840,0:20:57.520
those odd things but a lot of times they
0:20:55.480,0:20:58.840
run off with that type of sound they get
0:20:57.520,0:21:02.320
back in theut cover and they get to
0:20:58.840,0:21:04.559
thinking it's almost like uh uh they
0:21:02.320,0:21:06.520
have this second thought like hey what
0:21:04.559,0:21:07.919
what was that out there was that a dog
0:21:06.520,0:21:10.120
maybe I need to run back over and run
0:21:07.919,0:21:13.799
him out of my area type
0:21:10.120,0:21:17.120
thing yeah it's I I've ran into KY so I
0:21:13.799,0:21:19.720
don't understand we had one come out to
0:21:17.120,0:21:23.960
some house and he was like 400 yards
0:21:19.720,0:21:27.320
away saw rip and as fast as he could
0:21:23.960,0:21:29.799
straight lined straight to rip as soon
0:21:27.320,0:21:33.159
as Rip put pressure on him he probably
0:21:29.799,0:21:36.200
ran to Tennessee right
0:21:33.159,0:21:40.279
right you know it's just uh those kyes
0:21:36.200,0:21:42.080
none of them like having a dog around
0:21:40.279,0:21:44.440
but a lot of them just don't want to
0:21:42.080,0:21:46.760
have a dog put pressure on them right
0:21:44.440,0:21:49.440
right
0:21:46.760,0:21:51.360
right let me ask you this here this will
0:21:49.440,0:21:52.799
go right on line on line with what we've
0:21:51.360,0:21:54.640
been talking about here for the last
0:21:52.799,0:21:57.760
couple questions do you feel like
0:21:54.640,0:21:59.520
there's certain sounds that you play
0:21:57.760,0:22:01.559
during in the breeding season that if a
0:21:59.520,0:22:03.200
coyote comes in you know he comes into
0:22:01.559,0:22:05.279
those sounds that you're playing is
0:22:03.200,0:22:08.480
there certain sounds that they're more
0:22:05.279,0:22:11.120
likely to work a dog once they show up
0:22:08.480,0:22:13.320
say like say um for instance say a coat
0:22:11.120,0:22:15.720
it shows up to you playing prey distress
0:22:13.320,0:22:18.480
like a rabbit sound so you're playing
0:22:15.720,0:22:20.480
adult Cottontail for Fox Pro versus some
0:22:18.480,0:22:23.520
type of coyote vocal whether they show
0:22:20.480,0:22:26.120
up to a how uh some kind of female
0:22:23.520,0:22:28.360
whimpers of breeding type sound or a
0:22:26.120,0:22:30.440
fight or or whatever is there certain
0:22:28.360,0:22:32.679
sounds that coyes will show up to during
0:22:30.440,0:22:34.600
the breeding season that you're that
0:22:32.679,0:22:36.600
more likely for them to be aggressive
0:22:34.600,0:22:39.600
towards a dog versus
0:22:36.600,0:22:42.360
others yeah uh any kyot based sound if
0:22:39.600,0:22:45.000
we're trying to decoy we won't touch pra
0:22:42.360,0:22:47.880
stress at all right that's that's
0:22:45.000,0:22:50.679
interesting you hear a lot of people say
0:22:47.880,0:22:52.720
that there's mixed opinions on that I
0:22:50.679,0:22:54.400
you know we hard rarely run any kind of
0:22:52.720,0:22:58.640
pray distress during the summer months
0:22:54.400,0:23:00.400
it's it's always coyot vocalizations for
0:22:58.640,0:23:01.880
with the guys that I hunt with now I
0:23:00.400,0:23:05.240
know a lot of other guys they like they
0:23:01.880,0:23:07.400
like throwing Fawn out there and and and
0:23:05.240,0:23:09.000
rabbits and whatever and sometimes you
0:23:07.400,0:23:11.200
see some of that action that they get
0:23:09.000,0:23:12.720
off that but but in your opinion you'd
0:23:11.200,0:23:15.400
rather you'd rather be if you're
0:23:12.720,0:23:17.760
decoying whether it's dinon or breeding
0:23:15.400,0:23:21.360
season you want them come in on a on a
0:23:17.760,0:23:23.440
Cy vocal some sort yeah I just think um
0:23:21.360,0:23:26.440
if you look at the the reason the
0:23:23.440,0:23:28.799
interaction works you want that KY
0:23:26.440,0:23:32.960
coming in already
0:23:28.799,0:23:35.159
mad with the intention of an encounter
0:23:32.960,0:23:39.159
with a Kyle or a dog that wants to run
0:23:35.159,0:23:41.039
off right if a Kyle comes in for an easy
0:23:39.159,0:23:43.440
meal and sees
0:23:41.039,0:23:46.039
opposition there's a pretty good chance
0:23:43.440,0:23:48.760
it's not trying to fight over a rabbit
0:23:46.039,0:23:50.640
right he might he might want to fight if
0:23:48.760,0:23:53.799
uh a dog's in there and he might be
0:23:50.640,0:23:56.720
trying to hit on his his female though
0:23:53.799,0:24:00.240
right
0:23:56.720,0:24:03.279
absolutely I do you do you see in a
0:24:00.240,0:24:06.480
breeding season do you notice that say
0:24:03.279,0:24:08.440
male versus females do you notice one of
0:24:06.480,0:24:10.279
the two being more aggressive than the
0:24:08.440,0:24:11.600
other or are they equally aggressive
0:24:10.279,0:24:13.840
during the breeding season when there's
0:24:11.600,0:24:15.880
a dog involved or have you seen any
0:24:13.840,0:24:19.400
correlation with
0:24:15.880,0:24:22.760
that last winter every time we call a
0:24:19.400,0:24:25.360
double in and one of them took off and
0:24:22.760,0:24:27.520
we only killed one it was always a
0:24:25.360,0:24:28.520
female in heat that stayed to work for
0:24:27.520,0:24:30.880
dogs
0:24:28.520,0:24:32.720
right right which I think you know
0:24:30.880,0:24:34.279
that's been something we've me mentioned
0:24:32.720,0:24:36.720
before it seems
0:24:34.279,0:24:38.480
like early in the breeding season when
0:24:36.720,0:24:42.080
we start running breeding season type
0:24:38.480,0:24:44.360
sounds whether just all C hows and
0:24:42.080,0:24:46.000
breeding type wines and chirps and
0:24:44.360,0:24:47.600
breeding fights and that type of stuff
0:24:46.000,0:24:49.320
it seems like at earlier part of the
0:24:47.600,0:24:50.760
breeding season you will call in a lot
0:24:49.320,0:24:52.559
of singles and usually when you kill
0:24:50.760,0:24:54.039
those singles they're they're females
0:24:52.559,0:24:55.679
and I've always thought it had to be a
0:24:54.039,0:24:57.240
female just coming in to run other
0:24:55.679,0:24:59.679
females out of our area so they don't
0:24:57.240,0:25:01.840
get breed so that kind of makes sense
0:24:59.679,0:25:04.080
that makes sense to me that you know and
0:25:01.840,0:25:05.200
a lot of times you know those those more
0:25:04.080,0:25:07.559
fiery
0:25:05.200,0:25:08.720
Couts in the summertime a lot of times
0:25:07.559,0:25:11.520
you get up Ear at some kind of old
0:25:08.720,0:25:14.159
skanky female Co it's uh maybe an older
0:25:11.520,0:25:17.240
Co are usually pretty pretty B and and
0:25:14.159,0:25:20.200
yappy as well so that's that's neat that
0:25:17.240,0:25:21.200
it doesn't surprise me at all yeah I
0:25:20.200,0:25:23.960
think
0:25:21.200,0:25:26.039
um like what you said with Denning
0:25:23.960,0:25:29.760
season last
0:25:26.039,0:25:31.960
summer we had three coyot actually try
0:25:29.760,0:25:36.640
to square up and fight rip and two of
0:25:31.960,0:25:39.799
them were wet females yep yep
0:25:36.640,0:25:42.159
yep let me ask you this here
0:25:39.799,0:25:46.039
calling single
0:25:42.159,0:25:47.960
cows versus breeding pairs versus family
0:25:46.039,0:25:50.279
groups during the breeding season do you
0:25:47.960,0:25:54.000
see a correlation of which ones are more
0:25:50.279,0:25:56.840
likely to work to dogs I mean is do you
0:25:54.000,0:25:59.120
see singles that come in or more is just
0:25:56.840,0:26:00.960
as likely to work work rip as a breeding
0:25:59.120,0:26:02.919
pair or a family group you see any
0:26:00.960,0:26:06.919
differences in
0:26:02.919,0:26:10.960
that um you know we've had it
0:26:06.919,0:26:15.840
go yes and no any possibility but
0:26:10.960,0:26:18.559
normally if you got a pair or a group
0:26:15.840,0:26:21.279
one or two will work and the other ones
0:26:18.559,0:26:25.039
will stay about a hundred yards past
0:26:21.279,0:26:25.039
them and just kind of sit there and
0:26:25.399,0:26:31.159
watch I see I see so you you've called
0:26:28.440,0:26:32.480
singles in before the single work during
0:26:31.159,0:26:34.279
the breeding season you've called in
0:26:32.480,0:26:36.559
breeding Pairs and they work and then
0:26:34.279,0:26:37.440
the same thing for the family groups
0:26:36.559,0:26:40.120
pretty much
0:26:37.440,0:26:43.000
what right that's the downside to decoin
0:26:40.120,0:26:44.720
is it's just you never know you know you
0:26:43.000,0:26:47.640
can have singles that work singles that
0:26:44.720,0:26:49.760
don't doubles that work or just one or
0:26:47.640,0:26:52.240
none of them you know it's just flipping
0:26:49.760,0:26:54.159
a coin and those coyotes first to get
0:26:52.240,0:26:57.159
pressured by the dog what do you think
0:26:54.159,0:27:00.799
your percentage is as far as during the
0:26:57.159,0:27:02.840
breeding season running using a dog say
0:27:00.799,0:27:04.200
coyotes at you call in watch's the
0:27:02.840,0:27:06.440
percentage at work watch's the
0:27:04.200,0:27:08.520
percentage at run off and you never see
0:27:06.440,0:27:12.240
again I actually just sat down and
0:27:08.520,0:27:16.120
looked at that um breeding season was
0:27:12.240,0:27:18.840
50% 50% so you got a 5050 chance whether
0:27:16.120,0:27:20.799
one's going to work or not yep and
0:27:18.840,0:27:22.559
that's of course only place you've done
0:27:20.799,0:27:25.320
it I'm assuming is in
0:27:22.559,0:27:28.080
Kentucky yeah only place I've dogged in
0:27:25.320,0:27:29.320
breeding season here yeah water
0:27:28.080,0:27:31.200
what's it look like for you during the
0:27:29.320,0:27:33.279
Denon season during the summer months is
0:27:31.200,0:27:35.320
does that ratio change for you I know
0:27:33.279,0:27:37.039
you hunt a couple other states other
0:27:35.320,0:27:39.080
than just Kentucky during the breeding
0:27:37.039,0:27:42.279
season so it'd be kind of interesting to
0:27:39.080,0:27:45.720
hear what the differences would be yeah
0:27:42.279,0:27:47.760
uh Denning season was 81% really really
0:27:45.720,0:27:50.279
so definitely definitely more dog
0:27:47.760,0:27:53.000
interactions more decoy in the summer
0:27:50.279,0:27:56.320
months yeah it's still just as weird
0:27:53.000,0:27:58.880
like a we called in a quad and we're
0:27:56.320,0:28:01.840
like 200 yards away away from the den um
0:27:58.880,0:28:05.039
you know we heard the pups they're there
0:28:01.840,0:28:06.360
all four coyotes run away right right
0:28:05.039,0:28:07.320
just you know you just never know what's
0:28:06.360,0:28:10.720
going to
0:28:07.320,0:28:13.240
happen well I bet I know the answer to
0:28:10.720,0:28:16.440
this but it you might mix some of this
0:28:13.240,0:28:18.240
in from time to time because we kind of
0:28:16.440,0:28:20.880
touched on it a little bit but what
0:28:18.240,0:28:23.840
about um talking about
0:28:20.880,0:28:25.440
sounds what about running prey distress
0:28:23.840,0:28:27.519
during the breeding season when you do
0:28:25.440,0:28:29.720
have your decoy dog on stand do you ever
0:28:27.519,0:28:33.679
mixing any kind of prey distress or you
0:28:29.720,0:28:37.720
keep it 100% coyot vocal based when when
0:28:33.679,0:28:40.720
the breeding season's in yeah um it's
0:28:37.720,0:28:43.679
gonna be 100% coyote based if I'm trying
0:28:40.720,0:28:45.519
to decoy it all yeah okay because you
0:28:43.679,0:28:47.799
just feel like it's not going to be very
0:28:45.519,0:28:50.440
productive if you call one in a rabbit
0:28:47.799,0:28:54.840
or something like that for trying to get
0:28:50.440,0:28:57.480
them to decoy dog yeah you know um like
0:28:54.840,0:28:59.200
we call one in the rabbit I'm sure you
0:28:57.480,0:29:01.960
eventually we could get one to like poke
0:28:59.200,0:29:04.760
his head back out just to get that right
0:29:01.960,0:29:06.840
c yeah but we could shoot it but we
0:29:04.760,0:29:10.120
don't like to do that I want a ky that
0:29:06.840,0:29:12.519
actually wants to work right exactly you
0:29:10.120,0:29:14.640
know we let a lot go just because they
0:29:12.519,0:29:17.080
don't work good enough because what we
0:29:14.640,0:29:19.840
realized was if you shoot those coyotes
0:29:17.080,0:29:22.440
the first time they come back the dog
0:29:19.840,0:29:23.960
starts to expect that because he's
0:29:22.440,0:29:26.559
looking forward to the end State being
0:29:23.960,0:29:27.919
with chew on the coyote right so then
0:29:26.559,0:29:29.320
kind of like
0:29:27.919,0:29:31.399
makes it to where he doesn't want to
0:29:29.320,0:29:32.799
work as hard because he realize he
0:29:31.399,0:29:34.200
doesn't have to and he still gets to Che
0:29:32.799,0:29:37.679
on the
0:29:34.200,0:29:41.159
C do you feel like running decoy dogs
0:29:37.679,0:29:41.159
helps you kill more Couts or
0:29:41.600,0:29:45.880
less man that's a tough one because uh
0:29:44.320,0:29:48.840
you know if you get the right coyotes
0:29:45.880,0:29:51.360
you can kill doubles and triples really
0:29:48.840,0:29:53.880
easy you don't have to rush it um but
0:29:51.360,0:29:55.559
dogs do that work for you right but at
0:29:53.880,0:29:58.000
the same time you're also running
0:29:55.559,0:30:00.919
coyotes off but I think
0:29:58.000,0:30:04.440
probably by the end of the year you will
0:30:00.919,0:30:07.120
kill more coyotes having a good dog
0:30:04.440,0:30:11.559
right right it will totally totally make
0:30:07.120,0:30:13.519
sense that's for sure um get getting
0:30:11.559,0:30:15.360
back to the sounds there and I want to
0:30:13.519,0:30:19.080
ask you
0:30:15.360,0:30:20.679
about sounds for breeding season versus
0:30:19.080,0:30:22.159
dening season when you're calling we
0:30:20.679,0:30:24.720
know you're going way it sounds you're
0:30:22.159,0:30:27.399
going to be 100% coyot vocals for both
0:30:24.720,0:30:30.000
time frames but what sounds are you
0:30:27.399,0:30:31.559
playing during a breeding season that
0:30:30.000,0:30:34.000
you might necessarily might not be
0:30:31.559,0:30:35.360
playing during the Denning season what's
0:30:34.000,0:30:36.679
what's the big difference in your two
0:30:35.360,0:30:40.880
type of
0:30:36.679,0:30:44.640
sequences I'd say Denning season um I'm
0:30:40.880,0:30:48.120
throwing out some of the church the
0:30:44.640,0:30:50.640
wines and I'm finishing with a pup
0:30:48.120,0:30:53.000
distress still compared to in the summer
0:30:50.640,0:30:55.600
I'm escalating the stands and my last
0:30:53.000,0:30:58.240
sound is a really aggressive sound right
0:30:55.600,0:30:59.559
right so so Denning season coyotes a lot
0:30:58.240,0:31:02.639
of times you're probably starting out
0:30:59.559,0:31:04.360
with a how then you're small puppy stuff
0:31:02.639,0:31:05.760
and just keep progressing in intensity
0:31:04.360,0:31:09.080
and stuff throughout the stand getting
0:31:05.760,0:31:10.880
in the just small puppy stuff to pup
0:31:09.080,0:31:12.200
distresses the pup fights to All Out
0:31:10.880,0:31:14.679
fights
0:31:12.200,0:31:17.760
probably pretty much generate kind of
0:31:14.679,0:31:19.440
generalize it a little bit yeah yeah so
0:31:17.760,0:31:20.639
in place of the small puppy stuff during
0:31:19.440,0:31:23.519
the breeding season you're putting some
0:31:20.639,0:31:26.320
more breeding season type sounds like
0:31:23.519,0:31:28.760
the female wimers and that type of stuff
0:31:26.320,0:31:31.399
right which I mean a lot of guys say it
0:31:28.760,0:31:34.159
won't work but I kill a lot of breeding
0:31:31.399,0:31:36.760
and coyotes to small pups sounds right
0:31:34.159,0:31:39.799
yeah oh yeah yeah yeah I guarantee it I
0:31:36.760,0:31:42.600
guarantee it what does uh tell us what a
0:31:39.799,0:31:45.880
breeding season sequence sounds like
0:31:42.600,0:31:48.440
from Joey heartley of mang dog TV say if
0:31:45.880,0:31:50.519
uh you know right smack dab during the
0:31:48.440,0:31:51.880
breeding season you got your decoy dog
0:31:50.519,0:31:53.760
out there with you you're want to call
0:31:51.880,0:31:55.480
in Co see if they can't work you dog get
0:31:53.760,0:31:58.360
some action in tell us tell us your
0:31:55.480,0:32:02.279
sequence you're going to run through
0:31:58.360,0:32:06.320
yeah so I'll start off with a female how
0:32:02.279,0:32:08.080
maybe like a female deep how and then
0:32:06.320,0:32:11.399
I'll answer it with a
0:32:08.080,0:32:14.240
Parow I'm a sucker for parah
0:32:11.399,0:32:17.320
house and then um I'll go into a couple
0:32:14.240,0:32:19.880
minutes of a small puppy sound and then
0:32:17.320,0:32:24.000
start hitting my
0:32:19.880,0:32:25.200
chirps my uh breeding grow stuff like
0:32:24.000,0:32:28.480
that the
0:32:25.200,0:32:31.679
wines and then I'll go in to probably
0:32:28.480,0:32:35.240
like bump and grind and
0:32:31.679,0:32:37.559
then I'll hit
0:32:35.240,0:32:39.799
um female
0:32:37.559,0:32:41.880
submissive and then I'll finish it out a
0:32:39.799,0:32:44.440
couple minutes of pup
0:32:41.880,0:32:46.360
scrims nice it sounds pretty solid but
0:32:44.440,0:32:48.320
I'm going to put the pressure on you I
0:32:46.360,0:32:50.919
ain't going to let you this is a place
0:32:48.320,0:32:53.200
for Secrets here Joy this is where we
0:32:50.919,0:32:55.240
tell everybody secrets you said a lone
0:32:53.200,0:32:57.000
how and a group how what's your favorite
0:32:55.240,0:32:59.799
lone how that you like to run on a brid
0:32:57.000,0:33:01.720
reading season stand you can use Foxpro
0:32:59.799,0:33:03.039
mfk tell us what you like to open just
0:33:01.720,0:33:05.720
what you opening up with tomorrow
0:33:03.039,0:33:07.320
morning what's that first what's that
0:33:05.720,0:33:10.840
first sound you're
0:33:07.320,0:33:12.600
hitting probably female deep Fox Pros
0:33:10.840,0:33:16.840
female deep house that's pretty good how
0:33:12.600,0:33:18.600
a it yeah I mean I I love it all right
0:33:16.840,0:33:20.080
you play it out and why you say you like
0:33:18.600,0:33:21.960
to answer it back with some form of
0:33:20.080,0:33:22.840
paral what's your favorite paral you
0:33:21.960,0:33:27.480
like to
0:33:22.840,0:33:29.720
run honestly um I don't have a favorite
0:33:27.480,0:33:32.840
I've I've never met a par how that I
0:33:29.720,0:33:36.039
didn't like right right you know
0:33:32.840,0:33:38.320
whichever one um the button hits first
0:33:36.039,0:33:40.120
when my eyes notice it I'm probably
0:33:38.320,0:33:41.960
hitting it right so you don't have one
0:33:40.120,0:33:44.360
that's saved in your presets is what
0:33:41.960,0:33:47.279
you're telling me
0:33:44.360,0:33:49.080
no good stuff so then right at so you're
0:33:47.279,0:33:50.799
letting that alone how waiting a little
0:33:49.080,0:33:52.919
bit then answering yourself back with a
0:33:50.799,0:33:54.320
group how parah how something like that
0:33:52.919,0:33:57.000
and then you're going to go right into
0:33:54.320,0:33:58.799
your your wimers and wines type stuff
0:33:57.000,0:34:01.240
stuff what what type of those sounds you
0:33:58.799,0:34:04.519
like playing which like be specific you
0:34:01.240,0:34:06.960
like Fox Bros female wimers you like
0:34:04.519,0:34:08.800
mfks breeding growls and chirps what
0:34:06.960,0:34:10.320
what's what you like playing out of that
0:34:08.800,0:34:15.639
type of type of
0:34:10.320,0:34:18.240
sounds I like the uh female breeding
0:34:15.639,0:34:21.240
growls um I like to let that just kind
0:34:18.240,0:34:23.399
of run at a low a lower volume for a
0:34:21.240,0:34:26.639
couple minutes and then throw some of
0:34:23.399,0:34:30.240
the chirps on top of it right and then
0:34:26.639,0:34:31.839
I'll pause for maybe a minute I normally
0:34:30.240,0:34:34.960
don't pause a whole lot but in breeding
0:34:31.839,0:34:39.440
season I catch myself having a lot of
0:34:34.960,0:34:42.280
pauses and then I'll go into bump and
0:34:39.440,0:34:45.720
grind and then roll straight
0:34:42.280,0:34:48.839
into submissive wands after bumping
0:34:45.720,0:34:52.560
grind and then I'll do another little
0:34:48.839,0:34:55.359
pause then hit um female submissive and
0:34:52.560,0:34:56.919
go straight into pup screams you you was
0:34:55.359,0:34:59.160
talking about your pauses so you keep
0:34:56.919,0:35:01.400
keep your if you do pause you're keeping
0:34:59.160,0:35:04.160
it pretty short dur during the breeding
0:35:01.400,0:35:06.320
season um it'll be 30 seconds to a
0:35:04.160,0:35:08.560
minute yeah and what I've noticed a lot
0:35:06.320,0:35:11.920
is um especially coming out of an
0:35:08.560,0:35:14.200
aggressive sound like bumping grind yep
0:35:11.920,0:35:16.520
um when when I play those aggressive
0:35:14.200,0:35:19.400
types of breeding fights if I pause it
0:35:16.520,0:35:22.560
for 30 seconds to a minute and then go
0:35:19.400,0:35:24.720
into a pup distress most of my coyotes
0:35:22.560,0:35:27.560
show up within the first 30 seconds of
0:35:24.720,0:35:30.760
that pup distress I got you I got you
0:35:27.560,0:35:32.160
well how long of a stand are you making
0:35:30.760,0:35:35.960
during the breeding
0:35:32.160,0:35:39.960
season the average would be 15 to 17
0:35:35.960,0:35:41.520
minutes yeah yeah yeah well hey all you
0:35:39.960,0:35:43.320
guys out there listening how you like me
0:35:41.520,0:35:45.200
pulling all them sounds out of Joy he's
0:35:43.320,0:35:46.680
going to try to generalize it for us I
0:35:45.200,0:35:48.000
was gonna let Hey I was gonna let you
0:35:46.680,0:35:51.480
get away with that
0:35:48.000,0:35:53.160
Joy oh it's all right I'm mix it up from
0:35:51.480,0:35:56.000
day to
0:35:53.160,0:35:58.200
day I like hearing everybody's favorite
0:35:56.000,0:36:00.640
sounds because a lot of times I find
0:35:58.200,0:36:03.480
that that uh a lot of a lot of these
0:36:00.640,0:36:05.040
sounds that uh that people really like
0:36:03.480,0:36:06.440
and have had a lot of success with you
0:36:05.040,0:36:07.680
know they're some of my favorite sounds
0:36:06.440,0:36:10.520
as well so I always like hearing
0:36:07.680,0:36:12.920
everybody's answers when it comes to
0:36:10.520,0:36:14.200
that let me let me ask you this would
0:36:12.920,0:36:16.160
you rather
0:36:14.200,0:36:17.680
hunt we're going to kind we're kind of
0:36:16.160,0:36:18.720
getting towards the end of this podcast
0:36:17.680,0:36:20.119
you know I don't know if you've listened
0:36:18.720,0:36:22.160
to many of them Joy heartley but I
0:36:20.119,0:36:23.920
usually throw a few questions at the end
0:36:22.160,0:36:26.200
of them just to see just some quick hit
0:36:23.920,0:36:28.079
stuff to see what uh what people's
0:36:26.200,0:36:30.280
answers are would you rather hunt
0:36:28.079,0:36:34.119
breeding season coyotes or dinning
0:36:30.280,0:36:39.079
season coyotes for decoy dogging and
0:36:34.119,0:36:41.160
why I'd say dinning season um one the
0:36:39.079,0:36:42.760
coyotes are more likely to work and
0:36:41.160,0:36:44.280
they're more
0:36:42.760,0:36:48.319
aggressive
0:36:44.280,0:36:50.800
and I just the entire
0:36:48.319,0:36:54.119
atmosphere of hunting you know like a
0:36:50.800,0:36:55.680
June like 60 degrees in the morning you
0:36:54.119,0:36:58.599
know it just feels
0:36:55.680,0:37:00.599
nice and then you get real vocal
0:36:58.599,0:37:05.040
aggressive coyotes then you're flicking
0:37:00.599,0:37:08.240
ticks off swatting mosquito stomping on
0:37:05.040,0:37:11.400
snakes they got to eat
0:37:08.240,0:37:15.640
too they definitely do they might as
0:37:11.400,0:37:19.160
well be eating on a heartley yeah why
0:37:15.640,0:37:22.000
not let me ask you this
0:37:19.160,0:37:23.680
here this is this is one of my F this is
0:37:22.000,0:37:25.240
one of my favorite questions here I've
0:37:23.680,0:37:27.920
been asking a lot of people this here
0:37:25.240,0:37:31.480
lately and I think think it it says a
0:37:27.920,0:37:34.280
lot about the answers and it's just cool
0:37:31.480,0:37:37.920
I love hear I love asking this question
0:37:34.280,0:37:39.680
if your life depended on you killing a c
0:37:37.920,0:37:41.880
all right I'm going to drop you off in
0:37:39.680,0:37:44.079
the middle of nowhere some deserted
0:37:41.880,0:37:47.480
place there's not any kind of
0:37:44.079,0:37:50.240
civilization for hundreds of thousands
0:37:47.480,0:37:54.040
of miles all right I mean you if if you
0:37:50.240,0:37:56.720
don't kill a cow in this area then your
0:37:54.040,0:37:59.040
life's over you have to spend the the
0:37:56.720,0:38:00.800
rest of your life eating those ticks
0:37:59.040,0:38:02.560
that you was flicking off and mosquitoes
0:38:00.800,0:38:03.599
you was swatting and that snake get you
0:38:02.560,0:38:06.000
stomped that's the only thing you going
0:38:03.599,0:38:07.079
to have to eat but if you kill a coyote
0:38:06.000,0:38:08.920
I'll come back in there with a
0:38:07.079,0:38:10.319
helicopter and save your life take you
0:38:08.920,0:38:11.880
back to your family and you can live
0:38:10.319,0:38:14.480
your life right back out right there in
0:38:11.880,0:38:17.400
Central kentucky okay the thing is I
0:38:14.480,0:38:19.720
will give you a give you a fully loaded
0:38:17.400,0:38:21.880
x24 have ever been to the fox Pro
0:38:19.720,0:38:23.760
Library have ever bit of the mfk library
0:38:21.880,0:38:27.200
on it so you should be good for calling
0:38:23.760,0:38:29.160
a coyot I'm gonna hand you a rifle
0:38:27.200,0:38:32.119
the thing that you do get to choose is
0:38:29.160,0:38:34.800
you get to choose that rifle caliber
0:38:32.119,0:38:36.920
okay your life depends on you killing a
0:38:34.800,0:38:38.400
coyote you're going to call a coyote up
0:38:36.920,0:38:41.560
I'm going to hand you one bullet so
0:38:38.400,0:38:45.200
you've got one shot to kill this coyot
0:38:41.560,0:38:48.200
what caliber is Joy Harley choosing to
0:38:45.200,0:38:50.160
save his life if his life depended on
0:38:48.200,0:38:52.400
him killing a Coy for somebody to come
0:38:50.160,0:38:55.079
in and save
0:38:52.400,0:39:00.319
you I want
0:38:55.079,0:39:02.119
say 2 2 Creed 22 Creed very interesting
0:39:00.319,0:39:04.680
might be the first time we've heard that
0:39:02.119,0:39:06.359
one yet since I've been asking it tell
0:39:04.680,0:39:09.480
me about tell me why you're choosing at
0:39:06.359,0:39:12.480
22 Creed I've been shooting one for a
0:39:09.480,0:39:14.400
while now I've shot coyotes with a 223 a
0:39:12.480,0:39:18.319
204 a
0:39:14.400,0:39:20.680
6.5 a 243 and 22
0:39:18.319,0:39:25.200
Creed
0:39:20.680,0:39:27.400
and I honestly don't know if I have lost
0:39:25.200,0:39:29.880
to Kai with 22 cre I've made some
0:39:27.400,0:39:33.680
questionable shots as we all do from
0:39:29.880,0:39:36.480
time to time and you still gather that c
0:39:33.680,0:39:38.880
yeah I mean you know not because rip ran
0:39:36.480,0:39:40.760
it down and grabbed it for me like even
0:39:38.880,0:39:43.880
without rip like we've still recovered
0:39:40.760,0:39:45.640
all of them hey that you talked me into
0:39:43.880,0:39:47.760
it I mean what more could you ask for if
0:39:45.640,0:39:49.800
your life dependent on it you know that
0:39:47.760,0:39:51.440
you can just put a bullet in that cou
0:39:49.800,0:39:53.800
that 22 Creed you're probably going to
0:39:51.440,0:39:56.440
get it yep that's what you that's what
0:39:53.800,0:39:59.119
you need awesome answer I've shot 22
0:39:56.440,0:40:00.400
Creed plenty of myself it is a good one
0:39:59.119,0:40:02.520
I'll put her right up there towards the
0:40:00.400,0:40:06.640
top so excellent and so you're not
0:40:02.520,0:40:08.319
taking you're not taking um you're not
0:40:06.640,0:40:11.319
taking a 17
0:40:08.319,0:40:14.560
Fireball no I mean you know
0:40:11.319,0:40:18.680
um uh 22 short would be option number
0:40:14.560,0:40:21.560
two yeah I it'd be good for at snake
0:40:18.680,0:40:23.280
yeah I know you love the Rimfire so
0:40:21.560,0:40:24.760
that's kind of where that everybody know
0:40:23.280,0:40:27.520
you know we've been in plenty of
0:40:24.760,0:40:29.800
arguments over rimfire Rimfire stuff for
0:40:27.520,0:40:31.839
for coyotes I know that the rimfires can
0:40:29.800,0:40:33.720
kill coyotes guys don't be sending me no
0:40:31.839,0:40:35.280
private messages badmouth me over
0:40:33.720,0:40:36.680
talking about the rimfires I know you
0:40:35.280,0:40:38.480
kill one every once in a while but what
0:40:36.680,0:40:40.119
if your life depended on it you going to
0:40:38.480,0:40:42.040
take the rim fire or you going to choose
0:40:40.119,0:40:44.079
some kind of Center fire I always love
0:40:42.040,0:40:46.160
hearing always love asking this question
0:40:44.079,0:40:49.560
hearing the responses I've got another
0:40:46.160,0:40:51.119
one for you and this is uh I don't think
0:40:49.560,0:40:53.119
there's no right there's no right or
0:40:51.119,0:40:54.520
wrong answer to any of these but there's
0:40:53.119,0:40:55.839
definitely no right or wrong answer to
0:40:54.520,0:40:57.319
this one it's just another thing for
0:40:55.839,0:40:58.560
personal preference but I think it's
0:40:57.319,0:41:01.440
pretty cool I want to hear what your
0:40:58.560,0:41:03.760
answer is you're coyote hunting and
0:41:01.440,0:41:06.000
you're packing a rifle no shotgun like
0:41:03.760,0:41:08.720
that you got a rifle you got your 22
0:41:06.000,0:41:10.839
Creed you call in multiple coyes you
0:41:08.720,0:41:13.560
call in one of those great big old
0:41:10.839,0:41:15.160
family groups that everybody loves you
0:41:13.560,0:41:17.280
know just that dream stand where you're
0:41:15.160,0:41:20.760
calling in huge multiple
0:41:17.280,0:41:23.839
groups after you Dro that first coyote
0:41:20.760,0:41:26.560
what is Joey Harley doing next are you
0:41:23.839,0:41:29.359
getting into your moat and trying to hit
0:41:26.560,0:41:31.200
another sound to stop a second coyot or
0:41:29.359,0:41:33.200
call more coyotes back in or you just
0:41:31.200,0:41:34.760
start cranking off rounds maged up and
0:41:33.200,0:41:36.119
to see how many you can mow down before
0:41:34.760,0:41:39.280
they get to
0:41:36.119,0:41:43.040
cover no I'm I'm grabbing the
0:41:39.280,0:41:44.839
remote awesome I love it I love that uh
0:41:43.040,0:41:46.720
answer and why is that you have more
0:41:44.839,0:41:48.720
confidence than calling back in and
0:41:46.720,0:41:50.560
getting a high percentage shot versus
0:41:48.720,0:41:52.760
hitting a running
0:41:50.560,0:41:56.839
cout I mean I've hit a lot of running
0:41:52.760,0:42:01.319
kyes in my day but if you shot the right
0:41:56.839,0:42:02.880
coyote first yeah you know chances are
0:42:01.319,0:42:06.200
you're either stop some more of the
0:42:02.880,0:42:10.319
coyotes in the field or call them
0:42:06.200,0:42:12.000
back awesome answer awesome answer yep I
0:42:10.319,0:42:14.079
totally agree that's that's great
0:42:12.000,0:42:15.880
there's no wrong answers I mean some
0:42:14.079,0:42:18.839
people might be able to mag dump on his
0:42:15.880,0:42:20.440
thing kill every C to come in there but
0:42:18.839,0:42:22.040
you got enough confidence in how you
0:42:20.440,0:42:24.440
read the body language of the group of
0:42:22.040,0:42:25.800
coyes that you came in you felt like
0:42:24.440,0:42:28.559
you're feeling like you're shooting the
0:42:25.800,0:42:30.400
right first to leave you extra chances
0:42:28.559,0:42:32.160
to call other Coes back in or stop them
0:42:30.400,0:42:35.559
for good high percentage shots sounds
0:42:32.160,0:42:37.960
like what you're telling me here yeah I
0:42:35.559,0:42:40.520
mean you know we we had that exact thing
0:42:37.960,0:42:41.800
happen in October with brick running a
0:42:40.520,0:42:44.000
single shot
0:42:41.800,0:42:45.720
rifle and he ended up getting three
0:42:44.000,0:42:48.319
shots off because we just kept on call
0:42:45.720,0:42:51.280
kops back in with a single shot awesome
0:42:48.319,0:42:54.079
y awesome that's good stuff I got one
0:42:51.280,0:42:57.640
more question for you here what is your
0:42:54.079,0:42:59.680
top three favorite breeding season
0:42:57.640,0:43:02.760
sounds if you could just have three
0:42:59.680,0:43:04.160
sounds let me put it this way I'm gonna
0:43:02.760,0:43:05.640
be hunting with you here for too long
0:43:04.160,0:43:07.839
I'm going to have you calling Joy I'm
0:43:05.640,0:43:09.680
going to hand you an x24 and it's only
0:43:07.839,0:43:11.359
going to have three sounds on it but I'm
0:43:09.680,0:43:13.240
going to let you pick those three sounds
0:43:11.359,0:43:16.240
what three sounds do you want for
0:43:13.240,0:43:18.000
breeding season Coy calling
0:43:16.240,0:43:24.400
success all
0:43:18.000,0:43:27.800
right so I'm GNA want my generic any
0:43:24.400,0:43:30.280
peral generic any paral so I get to pick
0:43:27.800,0:43:31.760
that one yeah pick it as long as it it
0:43:30.280,0:43:33.960
sounds like a ky and it's not you
0:43:31.760,0:43:35.640
howling in the shower we're good well
0:43:33.960,0:43:38.160
I'll pick that one for you so I'm throw
0:43:35.640,0:43:40.480
it out here I will
0:43:38.160,0:43:44.839
pick I will
0:43:40.480,0:43:46.079
pick sister perouse yep mfk sister par
0:43:44.839,0:43:50.400
housee that's what you you get so
0:43:46.079,0:43:52.559
there's your parous that's fine with me
0:43:50.400,0:43:58.079
um from
0:43:52.559,0:43:58.079
there I'm gonna probably do
0:43:59.680,0:44:04.359
submissive wines now when you say
0:44:02.359,0:44:06.680
submissive wines which submissive wines
0:44:04.359,0:44:09.079
are you talking about here mfk
0:44:06.680,0:44:11.400
submissive wines so you're talking about
0:44:09.079,0:44:13.920
uh Fox Pro's female KY
0:44:11.400,0:44:16.280
submissive yep oh that's a good one
0:44:13.920,0:44:18.160
that's we've T that sound has popped up
0:44:16.280,0:44:20.800
on this podcast several times and I've
0:44:18.160,0:44:23.599
had people message me and they're like
0:44:20.800,0:44:25.119
what is this female submissive you guys
0:44:23.599,0:44:27.440
are talking about sometimes we call it
0:44:25.119,0:44:28.960
female sub and you know we've you know
0:44:27.440,0:44:32.119
we've got a few names that we caught
0:44:28.960,0:44:35.040
it's it's kyot it's female coyote
0:44:32.119,0:44:37.520
submissive and dude if you ain't playing
0:44:35.040,0:44:39.760
that sound you missing out that is a
0:44:37.520,0:44:42.200
excellent excellent excellent sound from
0:44:39.760,0:44:44.240
the fox Pro Library so great answer I
0:44:42.200,0:44:48.599
love that answer you got one more to
0:44:44.240,0:44:48.599
go man put the pressure on me
0:44:49.240,0:44:56.559
now I'm gonna probably have to
0:44:53.280,0:44:59.520
say boom smack Duo
0:44:56.559,0:45:02.040
boom smack
0:44:59.520,0:45:03.920
Duo see that surprises me you ain't
0:45:02.040,0:45:05.480
thrown a thrown a fight in here after
0:45:03.920,0:45:07.680
you told me you like to throw in a fight
0:45:05.480,0:45:11.280
there when you got KY coming back after
0:45:07.680,0:45:13.599
after Rip's engaged yeah but you know um
0:45:11.280,0:45:17.359
having rip on
0:45:13.599,0:45:19.760
stand that that speaks for itself a lot
0:45:17.359,0:45:23.280
right yeah yeah you got that crutch you
0:45:19.760,0:45:25.200
got that crutch I I he eats expensive
0:45:23.280,0:45:26.520
dog food I'll lean on him when I can
0:45:25.200,0:45:28.119
well you need to
0:45:26.520,0:45:30.040
but you know if you got those three
0:45:28.119,0:45:31.440
sounds you feel comfortable calling up
0:45:30.040,0:45:33.960
any c in the country is what you're
0:45:31.440,0:45:36.960
telling me yeah absolutely you got a
0:45:33.960,0:45:39.839
good Parow that's hitting triggers by
0:45:36.960,0:45:42.319
itself you've got a good pup to stress
0:45:39.839,0:45:46.200
that's hitting triggers and then you got
0:45:42.319,0:45:49.119
female sub um I think you can you can
0:45:46.200,0:45:52.160
build a sequence just off those three
0:45:49.119,0:45:54.800
sounds awesome I love it joy we
0:45:52.160,0:45:56.319
appreciate you coming on bud yeah I
0:45:54.800,0:45:59.240
appreciate you having me John hey you
0:45:56.319,0:45:59.240
want to leave us with
0:46:00.880,0:46:06.040
anything I don't have a whole lot of
0:46:03.119,0:46:07.640
knowledge to pass out but you know um
0:46:06.040,0:46:10.079
you want to see some cool dog and stuff
0:46:07.640,0:46:14.079
check us out on YouTube Mani dog
0:46:10.079,0:46:16.839
TV and just uh enjoy calling this winner
0:46:14.079,0:46:20.079
be safe awesome they can also find you
0:46:16.839,0:46:22.520
on Facebook mang dog TV on Facebook
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what's the in what's your Instagram
0:46:22.520,0:46:26.319
Instagram is just uh my name awesome
0:46:25.440,0:46:28.520
what a
0:46:26.319,0:46:30.079
uh y'all got some videos y'all throw up
0:46:28.520,0:46:31.200
on Tik Tok it's pretty cool what's the
0:46:30.079,0:46:34.400
Tik Tok
0:46:31.200,0:46:36.599
handle uh same thing my name Tik tok's a
0:46:34.400,0:46:38.559
hard one man it's it's hard to get good
0:46:36.599,0:46:40.319
content up there without getting kicked
0:46:38.559,0:46:41.800
off yeah you gota you gota watch what
0:46:40.319,0:46:44.800
you're doing well good stuff we
0:46:41.800,0:46:46.520
appreciate you coming on Joy um we hope
0:46:44.800,0:46:48.119
everyone enjoyed this episode we hope
0:46:46.520,0:46:51.920
you join us again right here on the fox
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