The FOXPRO Podcast

EP. 4: The History of FOXPRO with Mike Dillon

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Mike Dillon joins Jon Collins to discuss the history of FOXPRO.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by foxpro gamecalls

 

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here we are again welcome back to the

 

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foxpro podcast on this episode you guys

 

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have john collins and foxpro general

 

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manager mike dillon and we're going to

 

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be discussing the history of foxpro mike

 

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how's it been going man

 

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it's been going good john how's

 

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everything been going for you down there

 

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i've been uh been going pretty good here

 

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you know we actually got to spend a few

 

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days coyote hunting together here what

 

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was a couple weeks ago had uh had zach

 

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with us your son zach and i thought it

 

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was a pretty good trip wasn't it yeah we

 

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did anytime that you get out in the

 

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summer and get to call some coyote sing

 

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with john collins it's about or john and

 

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you know jeff ryder with his dogs man

 

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it's always a fun trip so yeah i had a i

 

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had a good time good eating too but we

 

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we won't say the restaurant we know

 

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where we're talking oh yeah there's

 

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always always good coyote calling that

 

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country and and whether the coyotes are

 

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coming good or not we always we always

 

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eat good like you said had good company

 

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so you know it's hard to have a bad time

 

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we all get together and uh uh get out

 

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there and try to call some coyotes in

 

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that's for sure yep absolutely right and

 

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you know what it was fun having zach

 

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along with us too it was you know uh

 

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i've been on a couple trips with zach

 

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and the colin's been so so uh but this

 

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time we actually had coyote trolling in

 

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got to see zach kill two or three

 

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coyotes so i know he had a good time

 

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oh i know zach had a good time and for

 

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me it's great to see him get involved in

 

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some of this stuff you know that that

 

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that we do you know he's taking such an

 

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interest in fox pro and he's been

 

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involved with it for a while now and

 

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he's just he's eat up with it and yeah

 

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he's he's doing really good for

 

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everything that he's doing you know it's

 

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uh mike it's always one thing it's

 

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always stood at stood out to me with

 

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foxpro is is the family involvement with

 

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the company you know there's there's

 

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three generations of dylan's that work

 

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at foxboro your dad yourself of course

 

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your brother steve and now your son zach

 

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what's what's that like having the

 

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family atmosphere there at work

 

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well you know

 

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we're blessed to be able to have a

 

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family business doing what we're doing

 

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you know and getting more of them

 

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involved is great jace is actually down

 

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there

 

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um he's he's been doing some surface

 

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mount stuff he's back running that in

 

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fact he's gonna do the same thing that

 

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zach did zach took his senior year and

 

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did a co-op program where he was just

 

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going into school for a couple hours a

 

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day and then coming uh down to foxpro to

 

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work the rest of the day

 

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in the marketing department jace is

 

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going to do the same thing but he's

 

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going to be back running the surface

 

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mount machine and learning all of that

 

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side of the business so

 

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seeing the kids get involved seeing you

 

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know the the entire family that's

 

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involved it's just awesome to see you

 

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know we are definitely very blessed in

 

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in uh what we do so yeah it's something

 

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i never want to take for granted that's

 

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that's exactly right well let's uh let's

 

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get going you know foxpro has a pretty

 

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cool history you know we talked about

 

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the family stuff there and i guess you

 

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could say

 

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fair to say that it's an american dream

 

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come true uh mike what inspired the fox

 

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pro game call

 

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you know that that's funny john i've

 

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always said it's the american dream come

 

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true that's something i've always

 

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believed you know so the inspiration for

 

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foxpro i mean

 

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in order to say hey this this is what

 

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the inspiration is you kind of have to

 

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have the picture painted of what it was

 

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like for me and my brother growing up as

 

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a kid my dad is an electronics engineer

 

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and my dad has such a passion for

 

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electronics and this was a very very

 

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early passion

 

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that he knew he had seven eight years

 

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old my dad would be underneath the shade

 

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tree down at the homestead where he grew

 

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up which by the way is only about a

 

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quarter of a mile from foxborough

 

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but he would sit underneath the tree and

 

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he'd read qst magazines at six seven

 

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eight years old

 

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12 years and actually prior to that he

 

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was making these radios and doing some

 

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other stuff at a very young age and then

 

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at 12 he got his first job and that was

 

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fixing tvs

 

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now it's pretty crazy

 

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yeah i know and you're 12 years old i

 

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mean i don't know i know a lot of 12

 

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year olds but i don't know any 12 year

 

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old that could go go fix tvs at the age

 

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of 12. wow you're looking like you're

 

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lucky if you get a 12 year old help mow

 

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the yard

 

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oh i know absolutely right and my dad

 

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had to do it he came from a family of

 

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nine brothers and sisters um you know so

 

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he had to do this and he was the oldest

 

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to help

 

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you know the family out he had go to

 

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work himself at a very young age so

 

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there was a very early work ethic put

 

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into him but at the same time a very

 

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early passion for electronics that

 

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stayed with him his entire life i mean

 

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to this day he has that same passion for

 

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electronics so when i'm growing up i

 

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never got interested in electronics i

 

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mean i don't have that bug in me to be

 

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you know electronics minded that's just

 

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not my mentality i've always been more

 

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of a sports player you know outdoor

 

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hunter fisher doing all of these things

 

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outside you know and

 

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it just never fit with what my dad was

 

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doing you know my brother actually he

 

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he definitely has more of that

 

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electronics bug in him than i do you

 

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know he had a very early interest in

 

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electronics very similar to what my dad

 

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does i just i just never did

 

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i can remember going hunting with my

 

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next door neighbor at this age seven

 

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eight years old

 

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and

 

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carrying this heavy equipment this this

 

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uh you know used to use these big boom

 

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boxes with the removable speakers you'd

 

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take tape and cover the led lights you

 

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know and then you had big lights back

 

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then that you'd carry with you as well

 

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and i was tasked the job of light man

 

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but i also carried some of this

 

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equipment and i remember one night

 

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walking in to the garage now when i say

 

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garage you're thinking a garage with

 

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cars and everything like that you have

 

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to realize that our garage was not like

 

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that our garage was dad's makeshift lab

 

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like it had there was shelves of

 

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electronics components everywhere my dad

 

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used to

 

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build these neophyte receivers and

 

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spectrum analyzers and

 

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he was just doing

 

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anything that you can imagine

 

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electronics related he was doing so i'd

 

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walk into the makeshift lab aka garage

 

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carrying this heavy equipment and one

 

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night my dad was in there and he looked

 

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at this stuff that we're that i'm

 

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carrying and he's like man there's got

 

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to be an easier way for you guys to take

 

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sound into the woods you don't need to

 

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take this big heavy equipment and that

 

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moment that the the thought the idea of

 

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foxfro was born then right that now

 

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that's pretty cool and i can you know

 

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and i can visualize that as you're

 

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talking about you guys coming there

 

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tripping over cords and and and

 

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straining to carry all this heavy

 

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equipment and you know and i can see

 

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your dad like my goodness there's got to

 

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be something better than what they're

 

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doing i might as well invent it myself

 

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so i think that's well i mean you

 

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imagine i know back in the day they were

 

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taking they they were taking uh

 

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record players they used record players

 

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then they went to eight tracks then they

 

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won the cassette players then they want

 

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the cd players you know just just the

 

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the evolution of the electronic calling

 

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industry has really come around and

 

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really been evolutionized

 

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and and i and i can say that dad was the

 

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first one to actually revolutionize this

 

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i mean he's been no doubt he's been

 

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working on this for uh i mean for so

 

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long he had the first digital call i

 

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mean i know burnham brothers had a very

 

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early digital call too but when they

 

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released theirs i knew dad already had

 

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his concept he just wasn't he's still in

 

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the basement of his house i mean nobody

 

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heard of john dylan or foxpro or

 

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anything at that point in time so uh

 

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when when this happened you know when

 

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your dad

 

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you know saw you guys struggling with

 

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all this this craziness

 

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what year was that approximately

 

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oh my well let's see that i would have

 

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been

 

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oh my i would have been eight or nine

 

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years old seven eight nine years old

 

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somewhere around there don't have the

 

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exact year and i am 50 as of sunday so

 

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you subtract 43 years from that

 

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what year is that

 

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long it would have been well

 

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70s early 80s let's put it that way yeah

 

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late 70s early 80s is because i was born

 

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in 72 so it would have been late 70s

 

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early 80s worthy the inspiration was

 

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made

 

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that is that is wild that's wild i can

 

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already tell you know don't be trying to

 

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ask me to do any math you you hired me

 

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to kill coyotes

 

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i ain't no mathematician

 

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well mike kelly tell us about uh you

 

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know i know there had to be some trials

 

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and tribulations and stuff you know just

 

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figuring figuring all this stuff out but

 

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what did the first

 

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prototype look like

 

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oh my there was a lot of prototypes

 

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along the way so you know dad obviously

 

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the his first goal was to create the the

 

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the product on a breadboard you know

 

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basically a breadboard is you know to

 

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where you're just putting a bunch of

 

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parts together and seeing if you get it

 

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to play and he had a lot of different

 

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early iterations of the product i mean

 

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he had some some non-remote versions

 

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that would you know fit in your back

 

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pocket with the little speaker um that

 

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had its limitations but he knew that

 

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that wasn't going to be loud enough for

 

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what the predator hunters would require

 

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so he then found a larger speaker a horn

 

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speaker and the beauty of that horn

 

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speaker early on was that

 

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for for the the prey distress sounds the

 

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vocalizations you know the the very high

 

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majority of the audio range in those

 

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vocalizations fall within that horn

 

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speaker and the beauty of the horn

 

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speaker is it gets very loud compared to

 

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a cone speaker so dad had this you know

 

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this horn speaker attached he had this

 

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this uh pc board that he had made but i

 

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mean we struggled growing up just like

 

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every other family so you know that

 

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couldn't go out and get a mold bait or

 

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anything he was he was you know hacking

 

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everything together in the garage with

 

0:10:30.240,0:10:35.279

components that he could get but then he

 

0:10:32.880,0:10:38.480

walked into a walmart one day and he

 

0:10:35.279,0:10:40.399

found this ray of vac flashlight housing

 

0:10:38.480,0:10:41.920

and he looked at that anything he

 

0:10:40.399,0:10:43.519

thought to himself i think i can make

 

0:10:41.920,0:10:46.240

that work i think this would be a great

 

0:10:43.519,0:10:47.680

housing to use on my design that i have

 

0:10:46.240,0:10:50.240

so he bought one

 

0:10:47.680,0:10:51.040

took it home you know modified it in a

 

0:10:50.240,0:10:52.079

way

 

0:10:51.040,0:10:54.800

and

 

0:10:52.079,0:10:56.720

stuck the unity and stuck the speaker in

 

0:10:54.800,0:10:59.760

and that first fox fro was born in the

 

0:10:56.720,0:11:01.920

rayovac flashlight housing you know that

 

0:10:59.760,0:11:04.959

probably would have been back in the

 

0:11:01.920,0:11:07.200

early 90s maybe that he had that design

 

0:11:04.959,0:11:09.279

then done in that ray of that flashlight

 

0:11:07.200,0:11:10.399

that's uh that's pretty cool now how far

 

0:11:09.279,0:11:12.880

away

 

0:11:10.399,0:11:15.200

was the actual first

 

0:11:12.880,0:11:16.720

foxpro production unit i mean was it

 

0:11:15.200,0:11:18.800

pretty much the same

 

0:11:16.720,0:11:22.160

same thing what was the first unit unit

 

0:11:18.800,0:11:24.480

number unit model and so the very first

 

0:11:22.160,0:11:28.800

models that he had one of the very first

 

0:11:24.480,0:11:31.440

ones was the model 44 uh the model 44 he

 

0:11:28.800,0:11:34.000

called it so it was a basically a four

 

0:11:31.440,0:11:35.839

sound non-remote unit so you could put

 

0:11:34.000,0:11:38.160

four sounds in it you could play them

 

0:11:35.839,0:11:39.760

you know pick your sounds uh but he

 

0:11:38.160,0:11:42.079

realized very quickly that there's

 

0:11:39.760,0:11:43.839

limits to having just four sounds on a

 

0:11:42.079,0:11:45.519

unit i mean look at the units today

 

0:11:43.839,0:11:47.680

there are guys that are putting you know

 

0:11:45.519,0:11:50.399

a thousands

 

0:11:47.680,0:11:53.279

you know so four sounds back then

 

0:11:50.399,0:11:55.839

was not a lot so then as it evolved he

 

0:11:53.279,0:11:59.200

went to a model 48 and then we went to a

 

0:11:55.839,0:12:01.760

model 416 which is the same style unit

 

0:11:59.200,0:12:04.959

in that ray of that flashlight housing

 

0:12:01.760,0:12:06.880

um but you know just added more sounds

 

0:12:04.959,0:12:09.360

and then we added some more features

 

0:12:06.880,0:12:11.920

like the external speaker jacks the

 

0:12:09.360,0:12:14.320

external audio jacks that they started

 

0:12:11.920,0:12:16.480

starting to evolve some there that's

 

0:12:14.320,0:12:18.079

right things started to evolve you know

 

0:12:16.480,0:12:20.240

to where uh

 

0:12:18.079,0:12:22.480

you had some of these features then of

 

0:12:20.240,0:12:25.040

course the remote control came with it

 

0:12:22.480,0:12:28.800

back then you know the tx5lr

 

0:12:25.040,0:12:30.480

was one of the first remotes that we had

 

0:12:28.800,0:12:33.120

for these units that would operate you

 

0:12:30.480,0:12:34.720

know four or eight 16 sounds you know

 

0:12:33.120,0:12:37.120

just a few buttons on the front of the

 

0:12:34.720,0:12:39.279

remote and then of course we had no lcd

 

0:12:37.120,0:12:40.720

screen put them put on them at the time

 

0:12:39.279,0:12:42.240

so you'd have to print out the sound

 

0:12:40.720,0:12:44.720

list and cut it out and put it on the

 

0:12:42.240,0:12:47.279

back of the transmitter and you know

 

0:12:44.720,0:12:49.839

that that was okay until you changed the

 

0:12:47.279,0:12:52.079

sounds we we came out with the way that

 

0:12:49.839,0:12:53.120

that person on that digital unit could

 

0:12:52.079,0:12:55.200

actually

 

0:12:53.120,0:12:58.399

change their sounds by

 

0:12:55.200,0:13:00.079

buying uh what's called a pg-1 adapter

 

0:12:58.399,0:13:02.560

you had those where you could plug it in

 

0:13:00.079,0:13:04.560

record your own audio into these units

 

0:13:02.560,0:13:06.160

then of course you need to change the

 

0:13:04.560,0:13:08.800

list so you're putting new tables out

 

0:13:06.160,0:13:10.560

again and you know putting

 

0:13:08.800,0:13:12.560

everything on it to protect it from the

 

0:13:10.560,0:13:14.320

weather and you know we just kept

 

0:13:12.560,0:13:16.160

evolving from there well well tell me

 

0:13:14.320,0:13:18.480

about you know these early units before

 

0:13:16.160,0:13:20.399

you guys started you know

 

0:13:18.480,0:13:21.440

going to market with them how did the

 

0:13:20.399,0:13:23.600

testing

 

0:13:21.440,0:13:26.000

go in the field early on who who put the

 

0:13:23.600,0:13:28.320

first units to work in the field to see

 

0:13:26.000,0:13:30.800

if this was going to be a viable product

 

0:13:28.320,0:13:33.040

so i remember my dad would actually go

 

0:13:30.800,0:13:35.760

out and call fox my dad actually worked

 

0:13:33.040,0:13:37.680

well he worked at the uh a radio station

 

0:13:35.760,0:13:39.360

he was an engineer at a radio station

 

0:13:37.680,0:13:41.839

but then he also had another job where

 

0:13:39.360,0:13:43.440

he had some guys that were hunters too

 

0:13:41.839,0:13:45.199

as he's doing this because back then

 

0:13:43.440,0:13:47.440

when he started getting more into this

 

0:13:45.199,0:13:49.360

i'm at you know college and you know

 

0:13:47.440,0:13:51.680

doing different things he had some other

 

0:13:49.360,0:13:53.360

people that were hunters and he would

 

0:13:51.680,0:13:55.519

give them to them take it out in the

 

0:13:53.360,0:13:57.360

field and try it and

 

0:13:55.519,0:14:00.079

you know see how they worked out with it

 

0:13:57.360,0:14:01.680

and you know obviously they they fell in

 

0:14:00.079,0:14:04.000

love with this thing right away because

 

0:14:01.680,0:14:04.959

they they were even so used to taking

 

0:14:04.000,0:14:06.560

out this

 

0:14:04.959,0:14:08.480

this heavy equipment you know what i

 

0:14:06.560,0:14:11.120

mean and being able to hand them

 

0:14:08.480,0:14:13.920

something in a the size of a ray of back

 

0:14:11.120,0:14:16.959

flashlight like take it out in the field

 

0:14:13.920,0:14:18.800

and call it in i mean it is just yeah i

 

0:14:16.959,0:14:20.480

could imagine these guys going from

 

0:14:18.800,0:14:23.600

packing you know one thing is the

 

0:14:20.480,0:14:26.480

boombox deal those are big but uh you

 

0:14:23.600,0:14:28.000

mentioned record players earlier

 

0:14:26.480,0:14:30.480

you know i know a lot of these young

 

0:14:28.000,0:14:33.360

guys that list you you all don't have a

 

0:14:30.480,0:14:35.760

clue how heavy these old record players

 

0:14:33.360,0:14:37.360

were i cannot imagine these guys what

 

0:14:35.760,0:14:39.680

they thought going from a packing a

 

0:14:37.360,0:14:41.199

record player around to packing one of

 

0:14:39.680,0:14:43.040

these compact

 

0:14:41.199,0:14:45.040

foxpro units that they could literally

 

0:14:43.040,0:14:47.040

stuff into a coat pocket

 

0:14:45.040,0:14:49.360

it happened

 

0:14:47.040,0:14:52.800

talk about it you know it's just uh

 

0:14:49.360,0:14:55.920

evolution of the game call that's uh

 

0:14:52.800,0:14:56.880

just a new wave come crashing in so to

 

0:14:55.920,0:14:58.399

speak

 

0:14:56.880,0:15:00.480

it it was awesome

 

0:14:58.399,0:15:02.160

you know anybody that put their hands on

 

0:15:00.480,0:15:04.240

this wanted this and i think dad knew

 

0:15:02.160,0:15:06.320

very early on that you know hey

 

0:15:04.240,0:15:08.880

he's got something here he would start

 

0:15:06.320,0:15:11.040

to take those products down to the local

 

0:15:08.880,0:15:13.120

harrisburg show which is a eastern

 

0:15:11.040,0:15:15.279

sports and outdoor show and he would

 

0:15:13.120,0:15:18.560

start to sell them down there and then

 

0:15:15.279,0:15:21.279

obviously orders started coming in and

 

0:15:18.560,0:15:22.959

when you ordered a fox pro back then

 

0:15:21.279,0:15:25.519

they weren't sitting on the shelf ready

 

0:15:22.959,0:15:27.760

to go they were custom made custom

 

0:15:25.519,0:15:29.920

ordered you know you ordered it you may

 

0:15:27.760,0:15:31.759

get it eight weeks later you know ten

 

0:15:29.920,0:15:33.920

weeks later because dad was still

 

0:15:31.759,0:15:36.399

working full time you know and then in

 

0:15:33.920,0:15:38.800

the evenings and weekends he would build

 

0:15:36.399,0:15:41.519

these uh um and then me and my brother

 

0:15:38.800,0:15:43.040

start helping him build these um

 

0:15:41.519,0:15:45.920

in the basement of the house he actually

 

0:15:43.040,0:15:47.839

hired his first full-time employee kathy

 

0:15:45.920,0:15:49.920

rothrock that worked in the basement of

 

0:15:47.839,0:15:52.160

dad's house she's still an employee

 

0:15:49.920,0:15:54.079

today oh man that's i i remember saying

 

0:15:52.160,0:15:56.399

that on facebook not too long ago

 

0:15:54.079,0:15:58.079

celebrating her work anniversary and i

 

0:15:56.399,0:16:00.160

thought man that is so cool the very

 

0:15:58.079,0:16:01.920

first employee that ever started for

 

0:16:00.160,0:16:03.279

foxpro is still working there today i

 

0:16:01.920,0:16:05.759

think that says a lot about the company

 

0:16:03.279,0:16:07.279

itself too yep yep that that's yeah

 

0:16:05.759,0:16:09.519

we're definitely proud of that we've got

 

0:16:07.279,0:16:11.279

a we've got a not to get off on a

 

0:16:09.519,0:16:13.120

tangent but we've got a great group of

 

0:16:11.279,0:16:15.040

employees you know we're very blessed

 

0:16:13.120,0:16:17.199

with the employees that we have we have

 

0:16:15.040,0:16:20.240

a lot of long-term employees don't have

 

0:16:17.199,0:16:22.160

a lot of turnover you know and and you

 

0:16:20.240,0:16:23.519

know i think that does say a lot about

 

0:16:22.160,0:16:25.199

the environment that we're able to

 

0:16:23.519,0:16:27.279

provide for a workplace but the company

 

0:16:25.199,0:16:30.000

itself we're very we're very family

 

0:16:27.279,0:16:31.680

oriented company which you know

 

0:16:30.000,0:16:33.759

you don't get that a lot anymore well

 

0:16:31.680,0:16:35.440

i'll tell you what mike i i just want to

 

0:16:33.759,0:16:38.079

tell you thanks for bringing me into the

 

0:16:35.440,0:16:39.040

family into the workplace it's it's a i

 

0:16:38.079,0:16:40.880

guess

 

0:16:39.040,0:16:42.639

it's a dream come true for me and i'm

 

0:16:40.880,0:16:44.079

glad to be part of it and you know i

 

0:16:42.639,0:16:46.880

think it's that's another thing that

 

0:16:44.079,0:16:48.240

stands out to me is about foxpro as a

 

0:16:46.880,0:16:50.160

company is that

 

0:16:48.240,0:16:52.480

you know the the guys and gals that

 

0:16:50.160,0:16:54.480

worked there were predator hunters you

 

0:16:52.480,0:16:57.199

know the guys and gals in every

 

0:16:54.480,0:16:59.440

department hunt and you actually use the

 

0:16:57.199,0:17:00.399

fox pro products that we produce in the

 

0:16:59.440,0:17:02.639

field

 

0:17:00.399,0:17:04.000

yes that's that's absolutely right it

 

0:17:02.639,0:17:05.760

doesn't matter if they're in the sales

 

0:17:04.000,0:17:08.559

department the service department or out

 

0:17:05.760,0:17:10.720

on the floor shipping wherever

 

0:17:08.559,0:17:12.319

it it is just you know many of the

 

0:17:10.720,0:17:14.079

employees not saying all of them hunt

 

0:17:12.319,0:17:16.000

right many of the employees down there

 

0:17:14.079,0:17:18.559

are diehard hunters they're eat up with

 

0:17:16.000,0:17:21.280

this stuff so they're able to put input

 

0:17:18.559,0:17:23.679

onto things too as we progress and come

 

0:17:21.280,0:17:25.520

out with new products and

 

0:17:23.679,0:17:27.199

you know all of those things it's great

 

0:17:25.520,0:17:29.360

to have that kind of

 

0:17:27.199,0:17:31.200

passion in your employees that

 

0:17:29.360,0:17:33.039

appreciate what it is that you're trying

 

0:17:31.200,0:17:34.880

to do right you know and that's the

 

0:17:33.039,0:17:36.160

thing where where are so many hunters

 

0:17:34.880,0:17:38.960

that's actually

 

0:17:36.160,0:17:41.280

involved with the company is you know

 

0:17:38.960,0:17:44.080

they're they're developed

 

0:17:41.280,0:17:45.200

by hunters designed by hunters tested by

 

0:17:44.080,0:17:47.840

hunters

 

0:17:45.200,0:17:51.120

the whole from start to finish is done

 

0:17:47.840,0:17:53.120

by hunters predators that's right

 

0:17:51.120,0:17:55.840

that that's absolutely right and there

 

0:17:53.120,0:17:57.919

isn't another company out there john

 

0:17:55.840,0:18:00.720

well we're very proud that these things

 

0:17:57.919,0:18:03.600

are made right here in america right

 

0:18:00.720,0:18:04.960

um where everything from the the the

 

0:18:03.600,0:18:07.120

engineering

 

0:18:04.960,0:18:10.400

at foxpro the

 

0:18:07.120,0:18:13.840

uh surface mount placement at foxpro the

 

0:18:10.400,0:18:16.559

pc board layouts at foxpro every single

 

0:18:13.840,0:18:18.880

part put on a board at foxpro i mean

 

0:18:16.559,0:18:20.320

it's just people don't realize that

 

0:18:18.880,0:18:22.320

until they see it

 

0:18:20.320,0:18:24.640

and there isn't another company not only

 

0:18:22.320,0:18:27.760

in the predator industry i'll say in the

 

0:18:24.640,0:18:29.600

entire hunting industry that makes an

 

0:18:27.760,0:18:32.000

electronic product

 

0:18:29.600,0:18:34.320

made from start to finish right here in

 

0:18:32.000,0:18:36.480

the usa you know and we're very proud of

 

0:18:34.320,0:18:38.559

that fact yes i know we'll hear we've

 

0:18:36.480,0:18:40.480

heard this for years hey some of these

 

0:18:38.559,0:18:42.640

components they're coming from china

 

0:18:40.480,0:18:45.360

well of course they are we there there

 

0:18:42.640,0:18:48.160

is diodes resistors capacitors

 

0:18:45.360,0:18:50.000

microprocessors there is nobody making

 

0:18:48.160,0:18:52.080

them in america they they just don't

 

0:18:50.000,0:18:54.000

you've got to outsource them and get

 

0:18:52.080,0:18:55.440

them in from another location we we

 

0:18:54.000,0:18:57.440

can't help that they're cut they come

 

0:18:55.440,0:19:00.160

from all over the place you know that

 

0:18:57.440,0:19:01.679

but most of them are number one american

 

0:19:00.160,0:19:05.440

distributors that we're getting them

 

0:19:01.679,0:19:07.360

from so you know i just it is something

 

0:19:05.440,0:19:09.200

that we've heard a lot of but if they

 

0:19:07.360,0:19:10.640

come and they see the way that our

 

0:19:09.200,0:19:13.120

process is done

 

0:19:10.640,0:19:15.200

that argument will quickly go out of

 

0:19:13.120,0:19:16.640

their mind no doubt

 

0:19:15.200,0:19:18.559

i've been i've been there on the floor

 

0:19:16.640,0:19:21.520

many times and you know and i've told

 

0:19:18.559,0:19:24.000

people if you ever think that meet me at

 

0:19:21.520,0:19:26.000

lewistown pennsylvania i'll personally

 

0:19:24.000,0:19:27.919

give you a tour

 

0:19:26.000,0:19:29.520

through foxpro and if you can come back

 

0:19:27.919,0:19:31.280

out and look any of them in the eye and

 

0:19:29.520,0:19:33.120

say if there's not a made in the usa

 

0:19:31.280,0:19:36.400

product and then you're you're lying to

 

0:19:33.120,0:19:38.640

yourself and them no well absolutely and

 

0:19:36.400,0:19:40.799

i do think i mean and this is you know

 

0:19:38.640,0:19:42.559

not begrudging anybody that buys any

 

0:19:40.799,0:19:44.799

other competitors product but i think

 

0:19:42.559,0:19:48.480

somehow in their mind

 

0:19:44.799,0:19:50.000

it justifies their purchase in a sense

 

0:19:48.480,0:19:52.080

you know and i'm not saying i'm not here

 

0:19:50.000,0:19:54.480

to say you know don't buy anything else

 

0:19:52.080,0:19:56.320

i love competition i really do but i

 

0:19:54.480,0:19:58.559

think for those people that make that

 

0:19:56.320,0:20:00.480

argument probably have purchased a unit

 

0:19:58.559,0:20:01.679

that was made in china

 

0:20:00.480,0:20:03.600

and uh

 

0:20:01.679,0:20:05.679

are trying to justify it in their mind

 

0:20:03.600,0:20:07.280

or to everybody else in some way right

 

0:20:05.679,0:20:08.960

well you know we're

 

0:20:07.280,0:20:10.559

the the product is proudly made in the

 

0:20:08.960,0:20:12.320

usa you know we put that right on the

 

0:20:10.559,0:20:14.000

box and you do have to meet a criteria

 

0:20:12.320,0:20:15.120

to be able to say that i know it means a

 

0:20:14.000,0:20:16.559

lot to you

 

0:20:15.120,0:20:19.200

means a lot to me

 

0:20:16.559,0:20:20.960

and you know it's just

 

0:20:19.200,0:20:22.559

it just is what it is

 

0:20:20.960,0:20:23.840

let's get right back to what we were

 

0:20:22.559,0:20:25.120

talking about earlier you know he was

 

0:20:23.840,0:20:27.919

talking about

 

0:20:25.120,0:20:29.360

the first prototypes of the calls

 

0:20:27.919,0:20:30.720

testing them in the field and you were

 

0:20:29.360,0:20:32.720

talking about

 

0:20:30.720,0:20:34.720

your dad started selling those calls at

 

0:20:32.720,0:20:37.440

the big harrisburg show then i'm i'm

 

0:20:34.720,0:20:40.240

assuming that uh just

 

0:20:37.440,0:20:42.559

the word of mouth of these calls being

 

0:20:40.240,0:20:45.280

out uh probably spread like wildfire

 

0:20:42.559,0:20:47.520

probably really started picking up uh

 

0:20:45.280,0:20:49.679

for you guys having to you know start to

 

0:20:47.520,0:20:50.720

figure out ways to to produce these

 

0:20:49.679,0:20:52.799

calls

 

0:20:50.720,0:20:53.919

more efficiently and faster to get them

 

0:20:52.799,0:20:56.400

out the door

 

0:20:53.919,0:20:58.720

oh absolutely you know so

 

0:20:56.400,0:21:00.240

that dad did the to go along with that

 

0:20:58.720,0:21:03.200

story dad would take these down to

 

0:21:00.240,0:21:05.200

harrisburg and i'll never forget a story

 

0:21:03.200,0:21:06.960

dad told me that

 

0:21:05.200,0:21:08.400

johnny stewart i'm sure many people many

 

0:21:06.960,0:21:10.240

of the listeners out there have heard of

 

0:21:08.400,0:21:13.919

johnny stewart right johnny stewart used

 

0:21:10.240,0:21:16.320

to be the name in the predator industry

 

0:21:13.919,0:21:19.120

gerald stewart was walking around this

 

0:21:16.320,0:21:21.919

show gerald is johnny stewart's son and

 

0:21:19.120,0:21:24.559

he was pretty much you know the guy that

 

0:21:21.919,0:21:26.640

was running uh

 

0:21:24.559,0:21:27.760

hunter specialties and their advisor and

 

0:21:26.640,0:21:29.520

all of this stuff

 

0:21:27.760,0:21:31.360

he walked around and he saw dad's

 

0:21:29.520,0:21:33.039

product and he came up to that and he's

 

0:21:31.360,0:21:34.640

like are you sure you want to do this

 

0:21:33.039,0:21:37.039

you know you sure this is something you

 

0:21:34.640,0:21:38.640

want to do and dad's like yeah i think i

 

0:21:37.039,0:21:40.559

do well gerald stewart and actually

 

0:21:38.640,0:21:42.159

gerald told me this himself

 

0:21:40.559,0:21:44.480

you know he went back to hunter

 

0:21:42.159,0:21:46.080

specialties and he's like guys i'm here

 

0:21:44.480,0:21:48.320

to tell you right now if there's ever a

 

0:21:46.080,0:21:51.120

company you need to worry about it's

 

0:21:48.320,0:21:52.720

foxpro might be in trouble

 

0:21:51.120,0:21:53.919

we might be in trouble yeah because of

 

0:21:52.720,0:21:55.760

what this guy's doing it's an

 

0:21:53.919,0:21:58.080

american-made product these guys got

 

0:21:55.760,0:21:59.840

something really cool and you know it

 

0:21:58.080,0:22:02.720

just continued to take off from there

 

0:21:59.840,0:22:04.720

and and to be recognized so early by you

 

0:22:02.720,0:22:06.400

know such a great pioneer in our sport

 

0:22:04.720,0:22:07.679

like gerald stewart and johnny sort of i

 

0:22:06.400,0:22:10.880

mean that's that's

 

0:22:07.679,0:22:13.360

at a very you know very instant stage of

 

0:22:10.880,0:22:15.200

the foxpro uh uh

 

0:22:13.360,0:22:16.480

story i mean it was just it's it's

 

0:22:15.200,0:22:18.400

awesome

 

0:22:16.480,0:22:20.240

that is pretty cool to see somebody like

 

0:22:18.400,0:22:22.080

that and see the prop see your dad there

 

0:22:20.240,0:22:24.640

with the product and and it catch their

 

0:22:22.080,0:22:25.679

eye like that uh it's it really says

 

0:22:24.640,0:22:27.440

something

 

0:22:25.679,0:22:29.600

it it is there were people that were

 

0:22:27.440,0:22:31.520

saying back then john that

 

0:22:29.600,0:22:33.600

fox pro will never be able to sell these

 

0:22:31.520,0:22:35.120

an array of act flashlights housing yet

 

0:22:33.600,0:22:38.080

they're not going to be able to do it

 

0:22:35.120,0:22:41.200

right well we did that very successfully

 

0:22:38.080,0:22:45.039

for for many many years you know and if

 

0:22:41.200,0:22:47.039

you look at most of the calls today

 

0:22:45.039,0:22:50.720

they have all been inspired by that

 

0:22:47.039,0:22:53.280

foxpro flashlight look you know we we we

 

0:22:50.720,0:22:55.840

came out with you know future products

 

0:22:53.280,0:22:58.640

they still had that same look and

 

0:22:55.840,0:23:01.440

ergonomic feel what they handle and you

 

0:22:58.640,0:23:04.400

know everybody started mimicking that

 

0:23:01.440,0:23:06.240

look you know foxpro paved the way for

 

0:23:04.400,0:23:08.400

all of the predator products that are

 

0:23:06.240,0:23:10.720

out there today with those first designs

 

0:23:08.400,0:23:12.400

and uh we still hold true to some of

 

0:23:10.720,0:23:14.559

those designs we've gotten away from

 

0:23:12.400,0:23:17.760

some of them a little bit but right well

 

0:23:14.559,0:23:20.640

that design speaks volumes i mean it uh

 

0:23:17.760,0:23:22.159

it's so efficient in the field uh just

 

0:23:20.640,0:23:23.760

ways you could you could carry it in

 

0:23:22.159,0:23:25.440

with the handle you could hang it off

 

0:23:23.760,0:23:26.720

stuff you could set it up on fence post

 

0:23:25.440,0:23:29.760

there's just a million ways you could

 

0:23:26.720,0:23:31.120

use the call that uh it was just a tried

 

0:23:29.760,0:23:32.799

tried and true

 

0:23:31.120,0:23:36.480

you know after that very first version

 

0:23:32.799,0:23:38.960

of it you know it had the fx3 the fx5 uh

 

0:23:36.480,0:23:40.799

the fury uh fusion all of them kind of

 

0:23:38.960,0:23:42.720

had that same style and you know they

 

0:23:40.799,0:23:43.520

were great units every single one of

 

0:23:42.720,0:23:45.600

them

 

0:23:43.520,0:23:47.279

yeah that's right absolutely yeah they

 

0:23:45.600,0:23:50.559

all had the two speakers that was a big

 

0:23:47.279,0:23:53.279

move that was when when foxpro had

 

0:23:50.559,0:23:55.039

evolved from the ray of vac flashlight

 

0:23:53.279,0:23:57.120

housing you got to realize when we were

 

0:23:55.039,0:23:59.760

making those units

 

0:23:57.120,0:24:02.159

every single part on those boards were

 

0:23:59.760,0:24:04.720

placed by hand i mean oh man it was

 

0:24:02.159,0:24:04.720

nothing

 

0:24:05.919,0:24:10.480

well you you'd populate the pc boards

 

0:24:08.559,0:24:12.799

first and you put everything together

 

0:24:10.480,0:24:15.760

before stuffing it in but i'm talking

 

0:24:12.799,0:24:17.200

each of those the microprocessors the

 

0:24:15.760,0:24:19.919

the

 

0:24:17.200,0:24:21.840

capacitors resistors every part was put

 

0:24:19.919,0:24:23.760

in there by hand and you did you did

 

0:24:21.840,0:24:26.559

that stuff yourself didn't you mike when

 

0:24:23.760,0:24:28.400

did you start working with your dad and

 

0:24:26.559,0:24:29.919

starting to realize that dream of foxpro

 

0:24:28.400,0:24:32.400

when did you start and you were building

 

0:24:29.919,0:24:35.360

calls and all that kind of stuff so for

 

0:24:32.400,0:24:38.400

me that it probably started for me about

 

0:24:35.360,0:24:40.480

20 years ago to where i at the time i

 

0:24:38.400,0:24:42.400

was a body shop manager i was running a

 

0:24:40.480,0:24:44.320

body shop

 

0:24:42.400,0:24:46.960

and i would come up the dads in the

 

0:24:44.320,0:24:49.520

evenings and weekends and help him

 

0:24:46.960,0:24:51.440

um do these things you know take phone

 

0:24:49.520,0:24:52.880

calls just just do a number of different

 

0:24:51.440,0:24:55.360

things trying to help him get these

 

0:24:52.880,0:24:57.840

things made and then i remember when dad

 

0:24:55.360,0:25:00.480

took his early retirement from where he

 

0:24:57.840,0:25:01.760

was working to come full time to do what

 

0:25:00.480,0:25:04.559

he was doing

 

0:25:01.760,0:25:07.760

when he did that then i did that also

 

0:25:04.559,0:25:09.919

then i came and and kept me kathy and

 

0:25:07.760,0:25:12.400

dad were the the first three full-time

 

0:25:09.919,0:25:15.120

employees at foxpro that that you know

 

0:25:12.400,0:25:17.279

started doing stuff dad would would

 

0:25:15.120,0:25:18.960

you know design these units i would help

 

0:25:17.279,0:25:21.039

build them kathy would help build them

 

0:25:18.960,0:25:23.840

but then i started really doing more of

 

0:25:21.039,0:25:25.760

the marketing and the advertising and

 

0:25:23.840,0:25:28.400

you know all of those things to try to

 

0:25:25.760,0:25:31.840

really propel foxpro and to really you

 

0:25:28.400,0:25:34.080

know get it out into mainstream media so

 

0:25:31.840,0:25:36.480

when what when was the company is it

 

0:25:34.080,0:25:37.919

1993 when the company was officially

 

0:25:36.480,0:25:40.080

founded so to speak

 

0:25:37.919,0:25:43.039

that's when yeah that's the date that we

 

0:25:40.080,0:25:45.440

put established 93 but i mean it goes

 

0:25:43.039,0:25:47.919

all the way back to the early 70s it

 

0:25:45.440,0:25:49.760

really does it goes back before that but

 

0:25:47.919,0:25:51.440

trying to pick the date that a company

 

0:25:49.760,0:25:53.360

was established what do you pick the

 

0:25:51.440,0:25:56.240

date the first ones made the date the

 

0:25:53.360,0:25:58.880

ideas inspired you know it's so hard to

 

0:25:56.240,0:26:00.960

pick that starting gate right you know

 

0:25:58.880,0:26:03.679

is it the first prototype that dad had

 

0:26:00.960,0:26:06.000

that really wasn't uh uh in the ray of

 

0:26:03.679,0:26:07.520

flashlight housing so you know

 

0:26:06.000,0:26:10.880

trying to pick that date but we put

 

0:26:07.520,0:26:12.960

established 1993 just as just as a date

 

0:26:10.880,0:26:15.600

to have to use right well we was

 

0:26:12.960,0:26:17.600

mentioning some of the other uh other

 

0:26:15.600,0:26:19.760

units there just a minute ago let's talk

 

0:26:17.600,0:26:21.760

about the evolution of the units a

 

0:26:19.760,0:26:24.080

little bit and uh you know you talk

 

0:26:21.760,0:26:25.600

about going into the rayovac flashlight

 

0:26:24.080,0:26:30.000

style deal

 

0:26:25.600,0:26:31.520

was the fx3 the first actual molded

 

0:26:30.000,0:26:34.799

unit mic or was there another call

 

0:26:31.520,0:26:38.480

before that no the fx3 was the very

 

0:26:34.799,0:26:40.320

first molded unit that we had uh made

 

0:26:38.480,0:26:43.039

and that was a big deal for us because

 

0:26:40.320,0:26:43.919

molds are very very expensive to get

 

0:26:43.039,0:26:46.960

made

 

0:26:43.919,0:26:48.559

um i mean you just a lot of money

 

0:26:46.960,0:26:50.240

hundreds of thousands of dollars to get

 

0:26:48.559,0:26:51.120

these molds made

 

0:26:50.240,0:26:54.000

and

 

0:26:51.120,0:26:55.360

it was but we knew that if we were going

 

0:26:54.000,0:26:58.000

to continue

 

0:26:55.360,0:27:00.480

growing at the rating which we were

 

0:26:58.000,0:27:03.440

not only did we have to do something to

 

0:27:00.480,0:27:07.679

make them go together quicker but we

 

0:27:03.440,0:27:09.520

also had to continue to uh um take the

 

0:27:07.679,0:27:12.080

evolution of the call to a different

 

0:27:09.520,0:27:14.080

level so that fx3 yes that was the

 

0:27:12.080,0:27:17.600

very first mold that we have gotten made

 

0:27:14.080,0:27:20.080

but that fx3 also came with two speakers

 

0:27:17.600,0:27:22.399

it came with the the front horn speaker

 

0:27:20.080,0:27:24.640

and it came with the rear cone speaker

 

0:27:22.399,0:27:26.880

and why do you do that well that was

 

0:27:24.640,0:27:28.320

very very early on we knew what some of

 

0:27:26.880,0:27:31.600

the shortcomings were going to be of

 

0:27:28.320,0:27:33.120

just utilizing a horn speaker again i

 

0:27:31.600,0:27:35.600

mentioned earlier to where the whole

 

0:27:33.120,0:27:39.440

speaker reproduces the

 

0:27:35.600,0:27:41.120

high majority of the audio range of prey

 

0:27:39.440,0:27:43.760

distressed sounds of coyote

 

0:27:41.120,0:27:44.880

mobilizations but it doesn't reproduce

 

0:27:43.760,0:27:47.200

them all

 

0:27:44.880,0:27:49.360

when you start adding you know the cone

 

0:27:47.200,0:27:51.440

speaker which has you know a much better

 

0:27:49.360,0:27:52.960

frequency response at certain

 

0:27:51.440,0:27:55.679

certain pitches

 

0:27:52.960,0:27:57.679

it makes sense to start making the sound

 

0:27:55.679,0:28:00.320

sound better by giving it a speaker that

 

0:27:57.679,0:28:02.480

can actually reproduce

 

0:28:00.320,0:28:03.679

the fuller content of all of those

 

0:28:02.480,0:28:06.320

sounds right

 

0:28:03.679,0:28:08.480

i tell you something else for me that's

 

0:28:06.320,0:28:11.919

cool to hear this type of stuff is the

 

0:28:08.480,0:28:13.279

fx3 is the first unit i ever ran and

 

0:28:11.919,0:28:14.640

another cool thing about it is i

 

0:28:13.279,0:28:17.039

remember getting it

 

0:28:14.640,0:28:19.679

getting the call in uh playing with it a

 

0:28:17.039,0:28:22.480

little bit and then one evening after i

 

0:28:19.679,0:28:23.919

got done working for my dad farming i

 

0:28:22.480,0:28:27.520

said i was gonna make a coyote stand

 

0:28:23.919,0:28:31.039

with it very first stand caught a coyote

 

0:28:27.520,0:28:32.880

up with the foxpro fx3 that i ever saw

 

0:28:31.039,0:28:34.559

so i thought and now of course today and

 

0:28:32.880,0:28:36.159

talking about the evolution

 

0:28:34.559,0:28:38.000

now you know i've run many calls in

 

0:28:36.159,0:28:40.320

between the fx3 and today you know now

 

0:28:38.000,0:28:42.559

all the way up to the the x series units

 

0:28:40.320,0:28:44.480

and there's been so many

 

0:28:42.559,0:28:46.080

great units that have come out over the

 

0:28:44.480,0:28:48.559

years is there any of those units that

 

0:28:46.080,0:28:52.399

really stand out to you mike that like

 

0:28:48.559,0:28:55.440

took the next step after the fx3

 

0:28:52.399,0:28:56.960

well i would say after the fx3 and one

 

0:28:55.440,0:28:59.120

thing i do want to mention about that

 

0:28:56.960,0:29:01.840

fx3 before i go on from that into some

 

0:28:59.120,0:29:04.399

of the future products that that fx3 if

 

0:29:01.840,0:29:08.000

you remember me saying that in the 416s

 

0:29:04.399,0:29:09.679

you had to buy a pg-1 adapter to record

 

0:29:08.000,0:29:12.960

the sounds into it

 

0:29:09.679,0:29:15.279

that all changed with the fx3 fx3 came

 

0:29:12.960,0:29:18.000

with the usb port that you could just

 

0:29:15.279,0:29:21.279

hook it up to your computer and download

 

0:29:18.000,0:29:24.080

everything right into the unit so as we

 

0:29:21.279,0:29:26.880

progressed we i mean obviously be using

 

0:29:24.080,0:29:28.399

these products ourselves we we realized

 

0:29:26.880,0:29:30.159

what it is that we could do to make

 

0:29:28.399,0:29:32.559

these products better yeah

 

0:29:30.159,0:29:34.480

absolutely and that was a big hiccup

 

0:29:32.559,0:29:37.840

with some of those early units that you

 

0:29:34.480,0:29:39.919

had to in order to change the the sounds

 

0:29:37.840,0:29:42.159

in it took a pg-1 adapter changing the

 

0:29:39.919,0:29:44.240

label we changed all of that with the

 

0:29:42.159,0:29:46.399

fx3 you know that the ease of

 

0:29:44.240,0:29:47.520

downloading sounds right

 

0:29:46.399,0:29:49.440

but

 

0:29:47.520,0:29:51.760

to answer your question

 

0:29:49.440,0:29:53.039

i think to me the next product that

 

0:29:51.760,0:29:55.200

really

 

0:29:53.039,0:29:56.880

after the fx3 and then of course you

 

0:29:55.200,0:29:58.559

know you went to the fx5 and some of

 

0:29:56.880,0:30:00.399

these other units but the next unit that

 

0:29:58.559,0:30:03.840

really i think

 

0:30:00.399,0:30:04.559

uh made a difference was that shockwave

 

0:30:03.840,0:30:05.840

you know

 

0:30:04.559,0:30:08.159

shockwaves

 

0:30:05.840,0:30:09.120

truckloads with a shockwave i love that

 

0:30:08.159,0:30:11.520

unit

 

0:30:09.120,0:30:14.159

uh you so here you're taking two

 

0:30:11.520,0:30:16.720

speakers two horn speakers two tweeters

 

0:30:14.159,0:30:18.480

to reproduce the high end movable

 

0:30:16.720,0:30:20.640

speakers that you could point them in

 

0:30:18.480,0:30:24.399

whatever direction you want

 

0:30:20.640,0:30:26.159

and more importantly that tx 1000 remote

 

0:30:24.399,0:30:29.520

control oh man

 

0:30:26.159,0:30:31.679

the the tx 1000 even today

 

0:30:29.520,0:30:33.600

sets the standard for remote controls

 

0:30:31.679,0:30:36.080

anymore with everything that you can do

 

0:30:33.600,0:30:38.960

with it i mean with all of the features

 

0:30:36.080,0:30:41.279

that we put into that tx1000 you know

 

0:30:38.960,0:30:43.360

the fox pitch to where you can

 

0:30:41.279,0:30:45.760

manipulate the sound of a rapid distress

 

0:30:43.360,0:30:48.480

or a coyote howl to go from a high pitch

 

0:30:45.760,0:30:50.559

to a low pitch the fox fusion i don't

 

0:30:48.480,0:30:53.360

think people really understand

 

0:30:50.559,0:30:55.760

just how hard that fox fusion was to do

 

0:30:53.360,0:30:57.360

taking two sounds at once and being able

 

0:30:55.760,0:30:59.360

to play them yeah you're gonna there's

 

0:30:57.360,0:31:01.120

been other units that have done that you

 

0:30:59.360,0:31:02.480

know that that you press two buttons and

 

0:31:01.120,0:31:04.799

you play two sounds at once the

 

0:31:02.480,0:31:06.480

difference is that they were the exact

 

0:31:04.799,0:31:08.240

same file type

 

0:31:06.480,0:31:09.679

everybody knows that on these shockwaves

 

0:31:08.240,0:31:11.760

you could put an mp3 you could put a

 

0:31:09.679,0:31:15.279

wave you could put a

 

0:31:11.760,0:31:17.760

16 bit an fxp sound file in there now

 

0:31:15.279,0:31:19.919

you're taking two different file types

 

0:31:17.760,0:31:21.360

and playing them together that was a big

 

0:31:19.919,0:31:23.600

feat that i don't think people really

 

0:31:21.360,0:31:25.440

understood how hard that was they don't

 

0:31:23.600,0:31:26.640

know anything about electronics or audio

 

0:31:25.440,0:31:28.480

electronics taking those two different

 

0:31:26.640,0:31:30.640

file types and doing that that was that

 

0:31:28.480,0:31:32.559

was pretty cool and that's why you know

 

0:31:30.640,0:31:34.399

fox [ __ ] is one of those things that

 

0:31:32.559,0:31:36.480

i'm i'm really proud of i love the fact

 

0:31:34.399,0:31:38.880

that you can take these two sounds and

 

0:31:36.480,0:31:40.399

mix them together and just create

 

0:31:38.880,0:31:43.519

scenarios that you could never create

 

0:31:40.399,0:31:46.559

before that that that shockwave and the

 

0:31:43.519,0:31:48.720

tx1000 remote def you know i see i view

 

0:31:46.559,0:31:50.080

them as a ahead of their time you know

 

0:31:48.720,0:31:51.679

and we've actually seen you know and the

 

0:31:50.080,0:31:54.159

shock wave itself is still relevant

 

0:31:51.679,0:31:56.000

today it's still a awesome unit and you

 

0:31:54.159,0:31:58.799

know we've actually seen that unit tried

 

0:31:56.000,0:32:00.720

to be copied off of a little bit by by

 

0:31:58.799,0:32:02.320

you know other companies so it kind of

 

0:32:00.720,0:32:04.320

stays above

 

0:32:02.320,0:32:06.480

one thing along the way john that we

 

0:32:04.320,0:32:08.960

have learned that we are going to be the

 

0:32:06.480,0:32:10.720

company that everybody tries to mimic

 

0:32:08.960,0:32:13.279

and and you know

 

0:32:10.720,0:32:15.200

i'm proud of that you know i i certainly

 

0:32:13.279,0:32:16.960

don't block a competition i mean i think

 

0:32:15.200,0:32:19.360

competition is good it keeps us on our

 

0:32:16.960,0:32:21.600

toes it keeps us you know making sure

 

0:32:19.360,0:32:24.000

that we continue to do the things that

 

0:32:21.600,0:32:26.320

we have always done standing behind the

 

0:32:24.000,0:32:27.559

units continue to and here in america

 

0:32:26.320,0:32:30.240

continue to

 

0:32:27.559,0:32:32.720

evolutionize with different products you

 

0:32:30.240,0:32:34.240

know and and keep them in the rear view

 

0:32:32.720,0:32:35.519

mirror i mean that's always been

 

0:32:34.240,0:32:37.039

something that's been a goal of mine you

 

0:32:35.519,0:32:38.960

got to keep them in the rear view right

 

0:32:37.039,0:32:40.799

you can't you can't let them get ahead

 

0:32:38.960,0:32:42.080

of you and they haven't done it yet well

 

0:32:40.799,0:32:43.360

there's of those things you know

 

0:32:42.080,0:32:44.480

somebody starts copying some of the

 

0:32:43.360,0:32:46.159

stuff you're doing it's actually pretty

 

0:32:44.480,0:32:47.440

flattering you know it means you're

 

0:32:46.159,0:32:49.279

doing something right and you're leading

 

0:32:47.440,0:32:50.799

the pack so you know we've talked about

 

0:32:49.279,0:32:53.519

some of the fox features we talked about

 

0:32:50.799,0:32:55.840

fox pitch talked about foxbang fox

 

0:32:53.519,0:32:58.159

fusion and the evolution of the calls

 

0:32:55.840,0:33:00.799

themselves but you know one thing we've

 

0:32:58.159,0:33:02.159

got several different units in our

 

0:33:00.799,0:33:03.919

lineup you want to talk about that a

 

0:33:02.159,0:33:06.240

little bit mike and let the listeners

 

0:33:03.919,0:33:09.279

know why we have so many units that are

 

0:33:06.240,0:33:12.399

actually available in our lineup today

 

0:33:09.279,0:33:15.360

that's a great question john

 

0:33:12.399,0:33:17.279

i guess to sum that up there are so many

 

0:33:15.360,0:33:19.919

different types of predator hunters out

 

0:33:17.279,0:33:23.440

there you know that you have to be able

 

0:33:19.919,0:33:25.440

to offer a product to every single type

 

0:33:23.440,0:33:27.760

so you you've got the guys that are

 

0:33:25.440,0:33:29.200

budget-minded budget-friendly they don't

 

0:33:27.760,0:33:30.640

know if they're going to like the sport

 

0:33:29.200,0:33:32.640

don't really want to invest a lot of

 

0:33:30.640,0:33:35.039

money so we come out with some of the

 

0:33:32.640,0:33:36.320

lower end units like the patriot in the

 

0:33:35.039,0:33:39.200

inferno

 

0:33:36.320,0:33:40.640

that don't break the bank um when you

 

0:33:39.200,0:33:42.880

buy them but you're still buying a

 

0:33:40.640,0:33:45.039

foxpro unit that's an awesome unit you

 

0:33:42.880,0:33:47.519

know doesn't have all of the sounds

 

0:33:45.039,0:33:50.399

doesn't have all of the features uh but

 

0:33:47.519,0:33:52.880

it's still a great entry tool for those

 

0:33:50.399,0:33:55.039

guys to get into you know if there's

 

0:33:52.880,0:33:56.159

plenty of coyotes plenty of fox plenty

 

0:33:55.039,0:33:58.799

of bobcat whatever you're wanting to

 

0:33:56.159,0:34:01.200

call in those units will call that stuff

 

0:33:58.799,0:34:02.960

in for you no doubt well

 

0:34:01.200,0:34:05.519

here's what i'll say about those units

 

0:34:02.960,0:34:07.840

now like the inferno and the patriot

 

0:34:05.519,0:34:09.839

they have more features than those first

 

0:34:07.840,0:34:11.679

calls that we came out with 20 years ago

 

0:34:09.839,0:34:12.960

that were selling for over five six

 

0:34:11.679,0:34:14.960

hundred dollars right you know what i

 

0:34:12.960,0:34:18.399

mean right they've got more features

 

0:34:14.960,0:34:21.119

better sound you know everything

 

0:34:18.399,0:34:23.599

better than what those original units

 

0:34:21.119,0:34:26.639

that we were coming out with you know 20

 

0:34:23.599,0:34:30.720

years ago for 200 bucks or under you

 

0:34:26.639,0:34:32.960

know it's just it's just for us to be

 

0:34:30.720,0:34:34.720

made right here in the usa and to be

 

0:34:32.960,0:34:36.639

able to put those products out at that

 

0:34:34.720,0:34:39.359

price point man i don't think people

 

0:34:36.639,0:34:42.399

really appreciate you know that the feat

 

0:34:39.359,0:34:44.480

that that takes you know it's it's

 

0:34:42.399,0:34:46.159

these units are very costly to build

 

0:34:44.480,0:34:48.480

right right well you know we like you

 

0:34:46.159,0:34:49.440

time it started out with the rayovac

 

0:34:48.480,0:34:52.800

style

 

0:34:49.440,0:34:55.280

design with with the foxpro guts inside

 

0:34:52.800,0:34:57.440

there and the horn speaker and now today

 

0:34:55.280,0:34:58.960

we have the x series that's what i'm

 

0:34:57.440,0:35:02.320

running today i know you love the x

 

0:34:58.960,0:35:03.839

series mic running the x24 x2s the

 

0:35:02.320,0:35:05.359

x-wave you want you want to talk about

 

0:35:03.839,0:35:07.119

the x-series a little bit how we've kind

 

0:35:05.359,0:35:09.040

of oh yeah

 

0:35:07.119,0:35:11.200

i'll talk about the x-series but you

 

0:35:09.040,0:35:12.960

know there's so many other units that

 

0:35:11.200,0:35:14.400

that we have i mean i started with the

 

0:35:12.960,0:35:18.640

patriot but then of course you got the

 

0:35:14.400,0:35:18.640

units like the hammer jack which is

 

0:35:18.800,0:35:24.400

it it's a middle of the road call it's

 

0:35:21.200,0:35:27.040

got more volume than the inferno or the

 

0:35:24.400,0:35:29.599

patriot it's got more features it's got

 

0:35:27.040,0:35:31.280

the attached decoys you know all of

 

0:35:29.599,0:35:33.680

those things comes up it comes with a

 

0:35:31.280,0:35:36.720

rechargeable battery pack that's a great

 

0:35:33.680,0:35:39.200

unit right there got a nice remote

 

0:35:36.720,0:35:41.359

yeah the yeah it's a great remote i mean

 

0:35:39.200,0:35:44.079

my preference on the remote is the

 

0:35:41.359,0:35:45.359

tx1000 but i'm a more advanced predator

 

0:35:44.079,0:35:48.560

hunter than some of these other guys

 

0:35:45.359,0:35:50.960

they don't until somebody really gets in

 

0:35:48.560,0:35:52.960

and uses it they don't appreciate all of

 

0:35:50.960,0:35:54.400

the features that some of these students

 

0:35:52.960,0:35:56.960

have any even some of the diehard

 

0:35:54.400,0:35:58.800

predator hunters i know today they're

 

0:35:56.960,0:36:00.560

not feature oriented they don't really

 

0:35:58.800,0:36:03.440

care about the features right right

 

0:36:00.560,0:36:05.920

there there is such a wide gamut of

 

0:36:03.440,0:36:08.240

the hot buttons for specific uh predator

 

0:36:05.920,0:36:11.040

hunters some guys are driven nothing but

 

0:36:08.240,0:36:13.760

volume they want the loudest volume that

 

0:36:11.040,0:36:15.520

you can get others are concerned with

 

0:36:13.760,0:36:16.880

portability they want to be able to put

 

0:36:15.520,0:36:18.800

it in their pack

 

0:36:16.880,0:36:20.000

to carry with them so they're not you

 

0:36:18.800,0:36:22.160

know breaking their back whenever

 

0:36:20.000,0:36:24.000

they're taking it out into the field and

 

0:36:22.160,0:36:26.800

others only care about features i mean

 

0:36:24.000,0:36:29.119

there's just so many triggers on people

 

0:36:26.800,0:36:32.400

that you can't have a one call does it

 

0:36:29.119,0:36:33.920

all you just you you just can't and

 

0:36:32.400,0:36:35.520

i have to apologize everybody out there

 

0:36:33.920,0:36:38.000

too i just mentioned was talking about

 

0:36:35.520,0:36:39.760

the hammer jack and was talking about i

 

0:36:38.000,0:36:41.440

said it had a rechargeable battery pack

 

0:36:39.760,0:36:43.280

to come with it i was i'm wrong there's

 

0:36:41.440,0:36:45.599

that's the hijack

 

0:36:43.280,0:36:47.760

that's the high project hijack i was

 

0:36:45.599,0:36:50.240

going to correct you

 

0:36:47.760,0:36:52.480

with the lithium battery and the hijack

 

0:36:50.240,0:36:55.280

is a great i don't think until people

 

0:36:52.480,0:36:58.000

listen to that so that hijack is

 

0:36:55.280,0:37:00.240

basically a portable call like the the

 

0:36:58.000,0:37:03.119

the spitfire the uh the

 

0:37:00.240,0:37:06.320

patriot in the inferno very portable but

 

0:37:03.119,0:37:08.240

yet it's got a ton of volume because we

 

0:37:06.320,0:37:11.680

put a lithium battery in it larger

 

0:37:08.240,0:37:13.440

amplifiers that thing will scream i mean

 

0:37:11.680,0:37:16.079

obviously it's not going to get as loud

 

0:37:13.440,0:37:18.240

as some of the bigger speaker units but

 

0:37:16.079,0:37:19.920

that thing is important

 

0:37:18.240,0:37:21.920

it will surprise you actually ran that

 

0:37:19.920,0:37:24.480

call some back this past winter in late

 

0:37:21.920,0:37:26.800

winter like in february and called had

 

0:37:24.480,0:37:29.280

some really dynamite uh stands with it

 

0:37:26.800,0:37:31.440

had some really good call ins that unit

 

0:37:29.280,0:37:32.880

is small you can literally stick that

 

0:37:31.440,0:37:35.280

thing in a jacket pocket like we were

 

0:37:32.880,0:37:37.839

talking about earlier it has a decoy on

 

0:37:35.280,0:37:41.040

it has has a really nice remote it kind

 

0:37:37.839,0:37:42.400

of has a it's a it's a tx 1000 right it

 

0:37:41.040,0:37:45.920

just has something yeah that comes with

 

0:37:42.400,0:37:49.599

the tx 1000 yes has has the rechargeable

 

0:37:45.920,0:37:52.560

battery pack and that unit is super

 

0:37:49.599,0:37:53.760

super united i mean if mike if you told

 

0:37:52.560,0:37:55.520

me that

 

0:37:53.760,0:37:57.359

you said john i want you to use this

 

0:37:55.520,0:37:59.359

hijack for this year you can't use any

 

0:37:57.359,0:38:01.440

other unit i'd be totally fine with that

 

0:37:59.359,0:38:04.560

because it is awesome it's just a great

 

0:38:01.440,0:38:07.119

little unit it really is

 

0:38:04.560,0:38:09.520

it is it's an awesome unit great compact

 

0:38:07.119,0:38:11.760

unit again it's one of those items that

 

0:38:09.520,0:38:13.440

a guy that wants features in volume but

 

0:38:11.760,0:38:16.400

portability

 

0:38:13.440,0:38:18.640

check we've got it you know what i mean

 

0:38:16.400,0:38:21.920

whatever you what whatever it is you

 

0:38:18.640,0:38:22.720

think you may want uh we probably have i

 

0:38:21.920,0:38:23.760

mean

 

0:38:22.720,0:38:25.680

i

 

0:38:23.760,0:38:28.480

the predator hunting industry is the one

 

0:38:25.680,0:38:30.640

that we obviously cater to so we're

 

0:38:28.480,0:38:33.359

going to make sure that we are able to

 

0:38:30.640,0:38:36.160

put out all kinds of different products

 

0:38:33.359,0:38:37.920

to reach each style of predator hunter

 

0:38:36.160,0:38:40.640

out there right right so we talked about

 

0:38:37.920,0:38:42.720

the patriot inferno hammer jack

 

0:38:40.640,0:38:44.640

which does not come with a rechargeable

 

0:38:42.720,0:38:46.960

battery pack i misspoke on it's the

 

0:38:44.640,0:38:49.280

hijack the hijack's a great unit now

 

0:38:46.960,0:38:51.599

we've got the x series right or if i

 

0:38:49.280,0:38:54.720

left to call out mike no the well you

 

0:38:51.599,0:38:55.839

got the yeah no the the x series are the

 

0:38:54.720,0:38:58.000

latest

 

0:38:55.839,0:39:00.880

uh units that we have brought out and

 

0:38:58.000,0:39:02.800

that x series is a great line i mean

 

0:39:00.880,0:39:06.240

obviously when you

 

0:39:02.800,0:39:08.880

look very quickly at the x1 the x24 the

 

0:39:06.240,0:39:11.200

x2s you're going to see the same speaker

 

0:39:08.880,0:39:13.839

it's a larger speaker

 

0:39:11.200,0:39:16.320

than what we have used before in some of

 

0:39:13.839,0:39:19.680

the other units we had units that were

 

0:39:16.320,0:39:21.760

very similar in the past like the ces 24

 

0:39:19.680,0:39:23.760

you know and people that the die-hard

 

0:39:21.760,0:39:26.400

predator hunters love those units

 

0:39:23.760,0:39:29.280

because they were they they were very

 

0:39:26.400,0:39:34.000

loud with that larger speaker right and

 

0:39:29.280,0:39:36.960

and that's what that was the the um

 

0:39:34.000,0:39:40.000

the idea that sparked that x series was

 

0:39:36.960,0:39:42.400

taking that ces 24 and

 

0:39:40.000,0:39:44.880

evolutionizing it as well giving it a

 

0:39:42.400,0:39:47.359

modern spin you know putting better

 

0:39:44.880,0:39:49.200

drivers and stuff in it giving it the

 

0:39:47.359,0:39:52.079

legs that allow you to get it off the

 

0:39:49.200,0:39:54.640

ground including the lithium batteries

 

0:39:52.079,0:39:56.480

with them so when you look at the you

 

0:39:54.640,0:39:59.920

know that line of units again you got

 

0:39:56.480,0:40:03.040

the x1 the x24 the x2s utilizing the

 

0:39:59.920,0:40:06.000

same speakers and horns and drivers you

 

0:40:03.040,0:40:07.839

know it it they're all great audio

 

0:40:06.000,0:40:09.680

producing units

 

0:40:07.839,0:40:11.280

they all have you'll notice on the front

 

0:40:09.680,0:40:14.880

of them they got the tweeter built right

 

0:40:11.280,0:40:17.760

in though the horns that we are using in

 

0:40:14.880,0:40:19.920

those units are horns that have a wider

 

0:40:17.760,0:40:21.599

frequency frequency response than some

 

0:40:19.920,0:40:23.599

of the other horns that we smaller horns

 

0:40:21.599,0:40:25.200

that we have used before but now you

 

0:40:23.599,0:40:27.280

still add the high-end frequency

 

0:40:25.200,0:40:29.280

response by adding those tweeters right

 

0:40:27.280,0:40:31.359

in the center cone of all of those units

 

0:40:29.280,0:40:34.240

so it they're just they're an awesome

 

0:40:31.359,0:40:36.400

unit i love the new x series again being

 

0:40:34.240,0:40:38.960

able to get it elevated off the ground

 

0:40:36.400,0:40:40.960

was huge because not only does that help

 

0:40:38.960,0:40:42.560

with your sound dispersion but that's

 

0:40:40.960,0:40:43.920

also going to help with your remote

 

0:40:42.560,0:40:45.839

operation

 

0:40:43.920,0:40:47.920

and and that's true with any unit if you

 

0:40:45.839,0:40:50.480

get any kind of elevation on any unit

 

0:40:47.920,0:40:52.400

that uses a remote you will get a better

 

0:40:50.480,0:40:53.839

remote control response from it as well

 

0:40:52.400,0:40:56.160

right right

 

0:40:53.839,0:40:58.800

well that kind of covers the the

 

0:40:56.160,0:41:01.440

evolution of uh calls from start to

 

0:40:58.800,0:41:03.280

where we're at today uh i got another

 

0:41:01.440,0:41:04.880

question here for you mike and it goes

 

0:41:03.280,0:41:07.920

with the company here uh

 

0:41:04.880,0:41:10.000

number one in customer service what does

 

0:41:07.920,0:41:13.839

that what does that mean you mike

 

0:41:10.000,0:41:16.400

that means so much to me uh

 

0:41:13.839,0:41:18.160

and to everyone at foxpro so

 

0:41:16.400,0:41:20.079

one of the things that i said very early

 

0:41:18.160,0:41:21.920

on one of the things that we've always

 

0:41:20.079,0:41:24.880

done with our customers is we've always

 

0:41:21.920,0:41:27.520

taken care of that customer first

 

0:41:24.880,0:41:30.160

as companies historically get bigger

 

0:41:27.520,0:41:32.240

they tend to forget those things

 

0:41:30.160,0:41:34.240

that propelled them to where they're at

 

0:41:32.240,0:41:35.760

and usually it's by providing good

 

0:41:34.240,0:41:38.319

customer service that's one of the

 

0:41:35.760,0:41:40.160

things that i pride myself on pride the

 

0:41:38.319,0:41:42.640

company on that

 

0:41:40.160,0:41:44.319

we didn't forget the customer along the

 

0:41:42.640,0:41:46.400

way you know we're listening to those

 

0:41:44.319,0:41:48.240

customers not only today with the

 

0:41:46.400,0:41:49.760

evolution of the products taking all of

 

0:41:48.240,0:41:51.280

their feedback and making sure that

 

0:41:49.760,0:41:52.960

we're coming out with the products but

 

0:41:51.280,0:41:55.760

we're also making sure we got their

 

0:41:52.960,0:41:57.599

backs by standing behind these units for

 

0:41:55.760,0:42:00.560

them going out of our way to make sure

 

0:41:57.599,0:42:02.160

that every customer is a happy customer

 

0:42:00.560,0:42:03.280

and you're not always going to do that

 

0:42:02.160,0:42:05.119

there's always you're talking

 

0:42:03.280,0:42:07.520

electronics you're going to have

 

0:42:05.119,0:42:09.599

issues right but it's how you take care

 

0:42:07.520,0:42:12.160

of that customer and how you take care

 

0:42:09.599,0:42:14.000

of that issue and that does mean so much

 

0:42:12.160,0:42:16.800

to me the customer service has been near

 

0:42:14.000,0:42:19.680

and dear to me for so long

 

0:42:16.800,0:42:21.440

awesome stuff mike i got a couple maybe

 

0:42:19.680,0:42:24.000

three or four quick hit questions for

 

0:42:21.440,0:42:26.400

you here before we wrap everything up

 

0:42:24.000,0:42:31.040

what is your favorite

 

0:42:26.400,0:42:34.560

fox pro unit of all time

 

0:42:31.040,0:42:37.280

oh john uh see each one for me it's

 

0:42:34.560,0:42:41.040

different than you right so they're all

 

0:42:37.280,0:42:41.040

your they're all your babies so

 

0:42:42.240,0:42:47.200

each one i would say for a different

 

0:42:44.800,0:42:48.720

reason right like if i'm the predator

 

0:42:47.200,0:42:51.200

hunter i'm gonna pick the one that may

 

0:42:48.720,0:42:53.599

be the most successful or maybe

 

0:42:51.200,0:42:56.000

uh uh uh maybe makes me a better

 

0:42:53.599,0:42:57.440

predator or whatever it is you know i

 

0:42:56.000,0:42:59.280

could see how they would pick their

 

0:42:57.440,0:43:01.760

favorites from there but for me

 

0:42:59.280,0:43:04.079

it may have a lot to do with how it

 

0:43:01.760,0:43:04.960

changed the company you know so i would

 

0:43:04.079,0:43:07.200

say

 

0:43:04.960,0:43:10.319

one of my personal favorites still today

 

0:43:07.200,0:43:12.720

for that reason is the fx3 that was a

 

0:43:10.319,0:43:15.280

big big jump in the fox pro company

 

0:43:12.720,0:43:18.720

history is that fx3 then it would

 

0:43:15.280,0:43:22.319

probably be followed by units like the

 

0:43:18.720,0:43:23.440

uh shockwave but then also taking those

 

0:43:22.319,0:43:26.480

original

 

0:43:23.440,0:43:29.280

wire wildfires in spitfires that we were

 

0:43:26.480,0:43:30.560

able to offer for under 200. with more

 

0:43:29.280,0:43:33.599

features than the units that we were

 

0:43:30.560,0:43:36.240

selling for 600. and that was

 

0:43:33.599,0:43:37.119

those units meant a lot to me because

 

0:43:36.240,0:43:39.359

of

 

0:43:37.119,0:43:41.359

what they meant for the company right

 

0:43:39.359,0:43:42.880

well let me ask you this question then

 

0:43:41.359,0:43:44.640

because that's really good stuff and i

 

0:43:42.880,0:43:46.480

think it's a great answer i like i

 

0:43:44.640,0:43:48.640

thought it was really cool cool to hear

 

0:43:46.480,0:43:50.240

how how you did answer that because i

 

0:43:48.640,0:43:52.400

can definitely see where you're coming

 

0:43:50.240,0:43:53.760

from uh but let's let's take a little

 

0:43:52.400,0:43:55.599

step further and say you mean you're

 

0:43:53.760,0:43:57.440

going to go hunting this weekend

 

0:43:55.599,0:44:01.599

uh what call you're taking

 

0:43:57.440,0:44:04.560

um i like the x2s all right so the x2s

 

0:44:01.599,0:44:07.200

is my call and what i like about the x2s

 

0:44:04.560,0:44:08.720

and and i get that the x2s is more than

 

0:44:07.200,0:44:12.079

the x24

 

0:44:08.720,0:44:14.319

the x2s has that fox fusion has that

 

0:44:12.079,0:44:16.560

ability to play those two sounds at once

 

0:44:14.319,0:44:19.760

which mean a lot to me i like being able

 

0:44:16.560,0:44:21.599

to create scenarios you know not only am

 

0:44:19.760,0:44:22.960

i going to play that rabbit distress but

 

0:44:21.599,0:44:25.040

guess what i'm playing that rabbit

 

0:44:22.960,0:44:27.520

distress and i'm going to slowly bring

 

0:44:25.040,0:44:31.040

up a coyote growling or add some coyote

 

0:44:27.520,0:44:32.960

barks to add more realism to that stand

 

0:44:31.040,0:44:35.839

you know and if i don't have those

 

0:44:32.960,0:44:37.760

sounds created as a single file you're

 

0:44:35.839,0:44:38.800

never going to be able to to duplicate

 

0:44:37.760,0:44:40.800

that

 

0:44:38.800,0:44:42.640

definitely a really cool feature that i

 

0:44:40.800,0:44:43.680

don't think a lot of people i should say

 

0:44:42.640,0:44:45.599

a lot of people i think there's some

 

0:44:43.680,0:44:47.599

people out there that don't realize how

 

0:44:45.599,0:44:49.200

grave a feature that is and don't take

 

0:44:47.599,0:44:51.520

advantage of it because just stuff like

 

0:44:49.200,0:44:53.680

mike said you can actually you know if

 

0:44:51.520,0:44:55.920

you're wanting a some type of say a

 

0:44:53.680,0:44:58.160

coyote fight that you do not have you

 

0:44:55.920,0:45:00.720

can take coyote grouse and pup

 

0:44:58.160,0:45:03.040

distresses play those two sounds at once

 

0:45:00.720,0:45:05.599

and guess what you've got a coyote fight

 

0:45:03.040,0:45:08.160

you can play a [ __ ] fight with with

 

0:45:05.599,0:45:11.040

coyote growls and coyote pup distresses

 

0:45:08.160,0:45:12.720

and you've got a a raccoon and a and a

 

0:45:11.040,0:45:14.000

coyote fight i mean just so many

 

0:45:12.720,0:45:15.920

different things that you know you play

 

0:45:14.000,0:45:17.520

two different rabbits at the same time

 

0:45:15.920,0:45:19.440

i'll see and that's one thing i was like

 

0:45:17.520,0:45:21.280

a lot of times i'll play a baby rabbit

 

0:45:19.440,0:45:23.520

and then i'll bring in another rabbit to

 

0:45:21.280,0:45:26.079

it or maybe i play two different rabbits

 

0:45:23.520,0:45:28.240

all together or maybe i decide to play a

 

0:45:26.079,0:45:30.000

rabbit and a woodpecker distress just to

 

0:45:28.240,0:45:31.599

give something different that these

 

0:45:30.000,0:45:33.839

coyotes haven't heard before these

 

0:45:31.599,0:45:36.079

educated cows that that they haven't

 

0:45:33.839,0:45:38.720

heard give them a new kind of sound you

 

0:45:36.079,0:45:40.480

know all together and there is no other

 

0:45:38.720,0:45:42.240

feature out there that you could do that

 

0:45:40.480,0:45:44.319

better with than fox fusion right so

 

0:45:42.240,0:45:46.800

they actually control actually control

 

0:45:44.319,0:45:49.040

the volume levels of each sound

 

0:45:46.800,0:45:51.520

absolutely you have independent volume

 

0:45:49.040,0:45:54.000

control of each individual sound as

 

0:45:51.520,0:45:55.680

you're using that fox fusion so you know

 

0:45:54.000,0:45:57.520

like in that scenario where i play a

 

0:45:55.680,0:45:59.520

rabbit and i start it low and i bring it

 

0:45:57.520,0:46:01.280

up then i bring some of those growls in

 

0:45:59.520,0:46:03.280

and i start low and i bring that volume

 

0:46:01.280,0:46:05.839

up i can do just the opposite i can go

 

0:46:03.280,0:46:07.520

as that growl is loud and that rabbit is

 

0:46:05.839,0:46:09.359

soft i can go make that rabbit loud and

 

0:46:07.520,0:46:11.839

the grouse soft i could just switch them

 

0:46:09.359,0:46:13.680

around all the time so complete

 

0:46:11.839,0:46:15.680

versatility of playing two sounds at

 

0:46:13.680,0:46:19.920

once and that's why i still think my

 

0:46:15.680,0:46:23.200

go-to unit is the x2s i get the x24 it's

 

0:46:19.920,0:46:26.560

a true 24-bit unit and for those guys

 

0:46:23.200,0:46:30.319

that want the ultimate in audio quality

 

0:46:26.560,0:46:32.960

it's the x24 i mean it's the x24 hands

 

0:46:30.319,0:46:33.760

down is a much better unit but i also

 

0:46:32.960,0:46:36.160

know

 

0:46:33.760,0:46:38.800

that these coyotes

 

0:46:36.160,0:46:40.800

they were coming in years ago those

 

0:46:38.800,0:46:41.839

record players and things like that

 

0:46:40.800,0:46:44.319

right

 

0:46:41.839,0:46:45.760

16-bit sounds you know what i mean like

 

0:46:44.319,0:46:47.839

they're coming into those sounds they're

 

0:46:45.760,0:46:48.800

responding to those steps and you know

 

0:46:47.839,0:46:51.119

yeah

 

0:46:48.800,0:46:54.000

comparing the two units you know saying

 

0:46:51.119,0:46:56.160

that the x-24 is better it it

 

0:46:54.000,0:46:57.599

for some people it may be better but for

 

0:46:56.160,0:46:59.520

other people like say for me for

 

0:46:57.599,0:47:01.599

instance i like to i like both units i

 

0:46:59.520,0:47:04.480

use both of them quite a bit but i tend

 

0:47:01.599,0:47:07.520

to grab the x24 more just because of my

 

0:47:04.480,0:47:10.240

style of calling but rike is saying he

 

0:47:07.520,0:47:12.160

he actually grabs x2s more because of

 

0:47:10.240,0:47:14.160

his style he likes to mix those sounds

 

0:47:12.160,0:47:16.240

more often and plus with the x2s you

 

0:47:14.160,0:47:18.319

also have uh the bluetooth feature as

 

0:47:16.240,0:47:20.960

well i think it's worth it that's right

 

0:47:18.319,0:47:23.200

not obviously on a stand i don't use

 

0:47:20.960,0:47:25.520

that bluetooth feature much i mean

 

0:47:23.200,0:47:27.520

what's cool about that bluetooth if i

 

0:47:25.520,0:47:29.920

got my unit with me and i'm on a trip

 

0:47:27.520,0:47:32.000

somewhere and i need to use an external

 

0:47:29.920,0:47:34.079

speaker for listening to the music on my

 

0:47:32.000,0:47:36.960

phone guess what i bluetooth it right to

 

0:47:34.079,0:47:39.440

the x2s and there i've got a a unit that

 

0:47:36.960,0:47:41.119

a portable jukebox right there there you

 

0:47:39.440,0:47:42.400

go you know portable external speaker

 

0:47:41.119,0:47:44.880

right there so

 

0:47:42.400,0:47:46.880

it's it's a multi-win for me well mike

 

0:47:44.880,0:47:48.720

tell us about uh you know we're going

 

0:47:46.880,0:47:50.240

hunting this weekend you know just

 

0:47:48.720,0:47:52.319

theoretically i wish we was going

 

0:47:50.240,0:47:55.040

hunting this weekend

 

0:47:52.319,0:47:57.440

you've got your x2s out there

 

0:47:55.040,0:47:59.200

what's your top three sounds tell us

 

0:47:57.440,0:48:00.880

what your top three sounds of all time

 

0:47:59.200,0:48:03.520

that you've had so much success with

 

0:48:00.880,0:48:05.839

because you know mark mike guys mike has

 

0:48:03.520,0:48:07.680

done it all he's hunted from the east

 

0:48:05.839,0:48:09.040

coast to the west coast he's been up

 

0:48:07.680,0:48:11.760

north he's been down south he's

 

0:48:09.040,0:48:16.480

literally done it all he's called in

 

0:48:11.760,0:48:19.200

man what coyotes bobcats foxes

 

0:48:16.480,0:48:21.280

my goal is to shoot a coyote in every

 

0:48:19.200,0:48:23.599

state that has them so there's 49 states

 

0:48:21.280,0:48:25.040

that have them my goal is to get one in

 

0:48:23.599,0:48:27.200

every state and i'm going to hit that

 

0:48:25.040,0:48:29.680

goal it's just a matter of when but you

 

0:48:27.200,0:48:32.000

know you're asking a very very loaded

 

0:48:29.680,0:48:32.000

question

 

0:48:32.640,0:48:37.359

top three

 

0:48:34.960,0:48:39.680

okay what time of the year i mean

 

0:48:37.359,0:48:41.680

if i'm going this time of the year i'm

 

0:48:39.680,0:48:44.160

probably going to be using some more

 

0:48:41.680,0:48:45.680

coyote vocals even still now i mean i'm

 

0:48:44.160,0:48:49.280

going to i mean you're getting to be

 

0:48:45.680,0:48:51.119

awesome let's do uh let's do fall let's

 

0:48:49.280,0:48:53.359

do like november

 

0:48:51.119,0:48:54.720

uh november through

 

0:48:53.359,0:48:56.720

mid-december

 

0:48:54.720,0:48:57.520

all right well i can tell you uh that

 

0:48:56.720,0:48:59.280

that's

 

0:48:57.520,0:49:01.040

two right off the top of my head

 

0:48:59.280,0:49:03.920

lightning jack coyote puppet stress

 

0:49:01.040,0:49:04.880

number three you know those two by far

 

0:49:03.920,0:49:07.440

but

 

0:49:04.880,0:49:10.480

here on the east coast i would also have

 

0:49:07.440,0:49:12.800

to add in that baby cottontail the

 

0:49:10.480,0:49:15.599

b-a-y-b-e-e

 

0:49:12.800,0:49:18.000

cottontail there is just something about

 

0:49:15.599,0:49:20.480

that sound that is

 

0:49:18.000,0:49:22.640

when you start to play it

 

0:49:20.480,0:49:24.000

you get in that mode where you're you're

 

0:49:22.640,0:49:25.920

you know you're you're going flip it

 

0:49:24.000,0:49:28.640

you're looking harder you're getting

 

0:49:25.920,0:49:30.559

ready for the shot that's right so hey

 

0:49:28.640,0:49:32.640

that's pretty good sounds you got baby

 

0:49:30.559,0:49:35.520

cottontail cottontail distress sound you

 

0:49:32.640,0:49:38.240

got lightning jack which is a which is a

 

0:49:35.520,0:49:41.280

awesome jackrabbit sound and of course

 

0:49:38.240,0:49:43.040

uh the infamous the legendary pup

 

0:49:41.280,0:49:45.839

distress number three and i

 

0:49:43.040,0:49:47.440

i would say probably those

 

0:49:45.839,0:49:50.160

three sounds

 

0:49:47.440,0:49:51.280

arguably are probably in the top five of

 

0:49:50.160,0:49:53.119

all times

 

0:49:51.280,0:49:54.960

what sounds have actually caught into

 

0:49:53.119,0:49:56.880

most coyotes across the country oh i

 

0:49:54.960,0:49:58.400

would have to say so too as long as they

 

0:49:56.880,0:50:00.319

have been out as long as they have been

 

0:49:58.400,0:50:02.880

used and as many people that have used

 

0:50:00.319,0:50:04.480

them absolutely you know and and that's

 

0:50:02.880,0:50:05.680

one thing too a lot of people are like

 

0:50:04.480,0:50:07.839

well you know we can't use that

 

0:50:05.680,0:50:10.240

lightning jack anymore because oh

 

0:50:07.839,0:50:11.520

they're educated to that sound here's

 

0:50:10.240,0:50:13.920

here's one thing i want to tell

 

0:50:11.520,0:50:16.160

everybody out there listening today

 

0:50:13.920,0:50:17.520

if you are playing a rabbit sound i

 

0:50:16.160,0:50:18.880

don't care if it's lightning jack i

 

0:50:17.520,0:50:21.520

don't call it whatever rabbit sound you

 

0:50:18.880,0:50:23.839

want and you educate a coyote to that

 

0:50:21.520,0:50:26.079

sound guess what you've done

 

0:50:23.839,0:50:27.520

you have educated that coyote to every

 

0:50:26.079,0:50:29.920

single rabbit distressed sounds like

 

0:50:27.520,0:50:32.720

that not that lightning jack he's

 

0:50:29.920,0:50:34.559

educated to every single sound out there

 

0:50:32.720,0:50:35.520

so you know they say oh we can't use

 

0:50:34.559,0:50:37.520

that sound again because they're

 

0:50:35.520,0:50:39.359

educated in that sound that's right true

 

0:50:37.520,0:50:40.880

that is that that that is something that

 

0:50:39.359,0:50:42.800

i've heard for so many years that have

 

0:50:40.880,0:50:44.720

drive that drives me crazy when i hear

 

0:50:42.800,0:50:47.280

that they're educated to every sound

 

0:50:44.720,0:50:49.040

trust me lightning jack still definitely

 

0:50:47.280,0:50:50.000

works we actually i actually used that

 

0:50:49.040,0:50:51.680

sound

 

0:50:50.000,0:50:53.520

i kind of went away from it you know we

 

0:50:51.680,0:50:55.680

had new sounds mike you know we got

 

0:50:53.520,0:50:57.680

great sounds like mr mc cottontail mrs

 

0:50:55.680,0:50:59.359

mc cottontail all these new

 

0:50:57.680,0:51:01.040

rabbit sounds we come out with a couple

 

0:50:59.359,0:51:02.880

years ago so i was really running them

 

0:51:01.040,0:51:04.800

through their paces well this past

 

0:51:02.880,0:51:06.240

winter you know i said you know maybe i

 

0:51:04.800,0:51:09.280

need to start touching back on some of

 

0:51:06.240,0:51:11.760

these older sounds that used to produce

 

0:51:09.280,0:51:13.520

so well for me and and start mixing them

 

0:51:11.760,0:51:15.599

back in well guess what

 

0:51:13.520,0:51:17.920

just dynamic calls them with lightning

 

0:51:15.599,0:51:19.359

jack called in a bobcat this past winter

 

0:51:17.920,0:51:22.160

right here in kentucky with lightning

 

0:51:19.359,0:51:24.400

jack called in numerous coyotes and if

 

0:51:22.160,0:51:26.880

you guys don't believe me go to foxpro

 

0:51:24.400,0:51:28.400

hunting tv you can watch it on roku

 

0:51:26.880,0:51:30.960

carbon tv

 

0:51:28.400,0:51:32.640

youtube mo tv you can see all those

 

0:51:30.960,0:51:34.559

hunts these coyotes come charged in the

 

0:51:32.640,0:51:37.280

lightning jack just like they did when

 

0:51:34.559,0:51:39.119

the sound was first introduced i mean

 

0:51:37.280,0:51:40.960

it's a great sound

 

0:51:39.119,0:51:42.319

well and i think we've got with all of

 

0:51:40.960,0:51:43.920

the sounds that we have in the library

 

0:51:42.319,0:51:45.359

the thing is that these predator hunters

 

0:51:43.920,0:51:46.960

do anymore they're going and they're

 

0:51:45.359,0:51:49.040

asking everybody what's your go-to

 

0:51:46.960,0:51:51.040

sounds right right and

 

0:51:49.040,0:51:53.040

you know sounds that have been popular

 

0:51:51.040,0:51:55.599

like lightning jack i think it got

 

0:51:53.040,0:51:57.839

popular very early on but

 

0:51:55.599,0:52:00.079

let's say it was you know we've got so

 

0:51:57.839,0:52:03.280

many so many awesome rabbit sounds

 

0:52:00.079,0:52:05.599

snowshoe and distress snowshoe hp oh man

 

0:52:03.280,0:52:07.359

you know if if that sound if people

 

0:52:05.599,0:52:09.040

really started talking about that sound

 

0:52:07.359,0:52:10.880

i guarantee it that that sound would

 

0:52:09.040,0:52:12.880

have just as much success as everybody

 

0:52:10.880,0:52:15.599

else with lightning jack because they're

 

0:52:12.880,0:52:16.319

following what people are suggesting

 

0:52:15.599,0:52:18.240

so

 

0:52:16.319,0:52:20.079

lightning jack was suggested early on

 

0:52:18.240,0:52:21.280

and then everybody just started using it

 

0:52:20.079,0:52:23.040

you know how it is john when you start

 

0:52:21.280,0:52:25.680

using the sound you get success you

 

0:52:23.040,0:52:27.599

stick with the same sounds yep yep

 

0:52:25.680,0:52:29.200

and then you don't start having success

 

0:52:27.599,0:52:31.040

you blame the sounds you know you know

 

0:52:29.200,0:52:32.960

that sounds like this is the cause

 

0:52:31.040,0:52:34.480

that's not that's not always the case

 

0:52:32.960,0:52:36.160

that's that's not the case at all and

 

0:52:34.480,0:52:38.240

you're right there's so many good rabbit

 

0:52:36.160,0:52:40.480

sounds that we have you know i've called

 

0:52:38.240,0:52:42.480

in so many coyotes and bobcats and foxes

 

0:52:40.480,0:52:45.680

i mean just baby cottontail baby

 

0:52:42.480,0:52:47.680

cottontail two dsg cottontail adult

 

0:52:45.680,0:52:49.359

cottontail all the snowshoe hair sounds

 

0:52:47.680,0:52:52.559

you just talking about snowshoe hair one

 

0:52:49.359,0:52:54.319

snowshoe hair two three hp

 

0:52:52.559,0:52:56.640

jackrabbit distress like i mean just

 

0:52:54.319,0:52:59.440

keep going on and of course the newer

 

0:52:56.640,0:53:01.040

sounds mr mc cottontail mrs mc mccontell

 

0:52:59.440,0:53:03.280

which i've been saying for the last

 

0:53:01.040,0:53:04.240

couple years that i think may be the

 

0:53:03.280,0:53:07.280

single

 

0:53:04.240,0:53:09.680

best bobcat calling sound

 

0:53:07.280,0:53:11.760

ever recorded i mean it's well

 

0:53:09.680,0:53:14.160

and again here's what i'll say to that

 

0:53:11.760,0:53:16.160

do you know why you say that because you

 

0:53:14.160,0:53:18.079

like that sound yeah so when you're on a

 

0:53:16.160,0:53:20.240

bobcat stand guess what you're using

 

0:53:18.079,0:53:21.760

you're using that sound exactly so every

 

0:53:20.240,0:53:23.599

time you see a coyote coming into that

 

0:53:21.760,0:53:25.040

sound it's like oh that sound is awesome

 

0:53:23.599,0:53:26.880

if you would have tried another sound

 

0:53:25.040,0:53:29.119

and you called it it came right in yeah

 

0:53:26.880,0:53:30.400

exactly right yep that's right i was

 

0:53:29.119,0:53:32.960

talking with you know i was talking with

 

0:53:30.400,0:53:35.359

corey groff uh not too long ago we just

 

0:53:32.960,0:53:37.760

released that podcast great podcast

 

0:53:35.359,0:53:39.839

corey groff is in missouri

 

0:53:37.760,0:53:42.559

excellent excellent coyote hunter

 

0:53:39.839,0:53:44.960

corey's such a good dude

 

0:53:42.559,0:53:46.640

such a great staffer for us and we were

 

0:53:44.960,0:53:49.040

actually talking said you know

 

0:53:46.640,0:53:51.200

if if we think we've got a bobcat and a

 

0:53:49.040,0:53:52.800

thicket out in front of us two sounds

 

0:53:51.200,0:53:54.400

that we're going to play because we've

 

0:53:52.800,0:53:58.079

had so much success with them in the

 

0:53:54.400,0:54:01.119

past on cats is cagey cottontail and mrs

 

0:53:58.079,0:54:03.680

mccott and tail and and we feel free to

 

0:54:01.119,0:54:06.319

tell you guys this because mike i think

 

0:54:03.680,0:54:07.760

i'm speaking for both of us here

 

0:54:06.319,0:54:10.079

we want to see

 

0:54:07.760,0:54:11.680

guys out there be successful we don't

 

0:54:10.079,0:54:14.000

have absolutely sounds we're going to

 

0:54:11.680,0:54:15.599

tell you what we think our secret sounds

 

0:54:14.000,0:54:18.319

are because we want to see you guys be

 

0:54:15.599,0:54:20.079

successful with our products

 

0:54:18.319,0:54:21.599

yeah and i think anybody that sells

 

0:54:20.079,0:54:23.200

sounds going to be that same way i mean

 

0:54:21.599,0:54:25.839

i know tory cook would be the same way

 

0:54:23.200,0:54:27.200

they've got an amazing sound library so

 

0:54:25.839,0:54:28.960

glad to be

 

0:54:27.200,0:54:30.480

uh in with those guys

 

0:54:28.960,0:54:32.240

he's going to tell you the same thing he

 

0:54:30.480,0:54:34.400

is going to tell you the sounds that are

 

0:54:32.240,0:54:36.880

going to produce for you right because

 

0:54:34.400,0:54:39.359

he wants you to be successful with those

 

0:54:36.880,0:54:41.040

sounds no doubt we're talking about all

 

0:54:39.359,0:54:42.240

these sounds mike you talked about your

 

0:54:41.040,0:54:44.799

top three

 

0:54:42.240,0:54:47.280

what if uh what if i challenged you to

 

0:54:44.799,0:54:49.200

go out and we'll we'll use the same time

 

0:54:47.280,0:54:50.960

frame november december you know late

 

0:54:49.200,0:54:53.440

fall early winter coyote stand i

 

0:54:50.960,0:54:54.880

challenge you to go out was whichever

 

0:54:53.440,0:54:58.319

unit you wanted to choose you're taking

 

0:54:54.880,0:55:00.880

your x2s or or whatever and i said you

 

0:54:58.319,0:55:02.880

could only have one sound on that call

 

0:55:00.880,0:55:04.559

what sound are you going to take to make

 

0:55:02.880,0:55:07.040

sure you can call in a coyote just one

 

0:55:04.559,0:55:09.280

sound he can only pick one wait one

 

0:55:07.040,0:55:10.960

sound for coyote only for coyote we're

 

0:55:09.280,0:55:13.280

talking about coyotes coyote pup

 

0:55:10.960,0:55:15.680

distress number three awesome awesome

 

0:55:13.280,0:55:17.839

sam pop distress number three one sound

 

0:55:15.680,0:55:20.079

no distress that time of year any time

 

0:55:17.839,0:55:21.760

of the year you give me one sound any

 

0:55:20.079,0:55:24.559

time of the year to use pop to stress

 

0:55:21.760,0:55:25.760

number three awesome great great i would

 

0:55:24.559,0:55:27.920

totally agree with you all right let me

 

0:55:25.760,0:55:29.760

ask you this then what one sound would

 

0:55:27.920,0:55:32.240

you pick if you were going to an area

 

0:55:29.760,0:55:33.680

where you could call in coyotes

 

0:55:32.240,0:55:36.720

fox

 

0:55:33.680,0:55:36.720

and bobcat

 

0:55:36.799,0:55:42.480

coyotes fox and bobcat

 

0:55:40.799,0:55:44.559

and you wanted to kill kill them all you

 

0:55:42.480,0:55:46.160

know you want to call all of them in it

 

0:55:44.559,0:55:47.200

it's going to be a rabbit distress i can

 

0:55:46.160,0:55:50.160

tell you that it's going to be one of

 

0:55:47.200,0:55:52.720

our rabbit distresses and i'm yeah

 

0:55:50.160,0:55:54.799

one of the rap distresses that i like a

 

0:55:52.720,0:55:55.920

lot and you know people will be like i

 

0:55:54.799,0:55:58.720

don't have them in my area it doesn't

 

0:55:55.920,0:56:00.559

matter i have no idea snowshoe hp would

 

0:55:58.720,0:56:01.440

probably be the one rabbit that i would

 

0:56:00.559,0:56:03.200

pick

 

0:56:01.440,0:56:05.839

love that sub because it's a higher

 

0:56:03.200,0:56:07.359

pitch than that jack rabbit for the the

 

0:56:05.839,0:56:09.920

bobcats you know it's got the higher

 

0:56:07.359,0:56:12.559

pitched sound and i could show you two

 

0:56:09.920,0:56:14.000

cottontails that sound exactly

 

0:56:12.559,0:56:16.640

the same i could show you two

 

0:56:14.000,0:56:19.040

cottontails that sound exactly different

 

0:56:16.640,0:56:21.040

the opposite that snowshoe they don't

 

0:56:19.040,0:56:23.920

know that it's a snowshoe they just know

 

0:56:21.040,0:56:25.440

there's something in distress

 

0:56:23.920,0:56:27.680

if i i would use that anywhere in the

 

0:56:25.440,0:56:29.280

u.s yeah that's a that's a and guys

 

0:56:27.680,0:56:30.799

that's another sound right there that

 

0:56:29.280,0:56:31.760

had a lot of success with out of the

 

0:56:30.799,0:56:34.400

past

 

0:56:31.760,0:56:36.400

it's such a dynamic sound it it it

 

0:56:34.400,0:56:38.160

increases and decreases in volume

 

0:56:36.400,0:56:41.119

throughout the sequence it's got those

 

0:56:38.160,0:56:43.200

higher pitched stuff got those squalling

 

0:56:41.119,0:56:45.680

a few seconds of sound that come it's

 

0:56:43.200,0:56:47.680

just a great sound and it might

 

0:56:45.680,0:56:49.440

oh it's awesome i've used it for years

 

0:56:47.680,0:56:51.680

yeah i love that sounds

 

0:56:49.440,0:56:53.119

and the reason i chose that one again is

 

0:56:51.680,0:56:56.640

because you said

 

0:56:53.119,0:56:58.160

coyotes bobcat and fox yes bobcats tend

 

0:56:56.640,0:57:00.079

to like those higher pitched sound and

 

0:56:58.160,0:57:01.920

the snowshoeing skis got a little bit of

 

0:57:00.079,0:57:03.760

a higher pitch sound to it than

 

0:57:01.920,0:57:06.079

the lightning jack or jackrabbit

 

0:57:03.760,0:57:07.920

distress or you know baby cottontail any

 

0:57:06.079,0:57:10.000

of those baby cottontail would have been

 

0:57:07.920,0:57:12.000

that was that was close but it was going

 

0:57:10.000,0:57:14.000

to be snowshoe hp because i could

 

0:57:12.000,0:57:16.319

broadcast it louder too than the baby

 

0:57:14.000,0:57:18.000

cuts i think that's an absolute great

 

0:57:16.319,0:57:19.040

choice well we've been uh we've been on

 

0:57:18.000,0:57:21.280

here for quite a while we've almost

 

0:57:19.040,0:57:23.119

talked for an hour mike must be uh wow

 

0:57:21.280,0:57:23.839

that's pretty pretty good i'd like you

 

0:57:23.119,0:57:25.839

know

 

0:57:23.839,0:57:27.760

about time to start closing out and you

 

0:57:25.839,0:57:30.240

know i'd like to say thanks to everyone

 

0:57:27.760,0:57:31.280

out there who runs foxpro game calls

 

0:57:30.240,0:57:32.880

mike

 

0:57:31.280,0:57:34.160

huge thanks to you for everything that

 

0:57:32.880,0:57:35.440

you've done for me

 

0:57:34.160,0:57:37.359

everything you've done for predator

 

0:57:35.440,0:57:38.960

hunters and everything you've done for

 

0:57:37.359,0:57:40.559

the predator hunting industry i really

 

0:57:38.960,0:57:43.119

appreciate it i know everybody else well

 

0:57:40.559,0:57:45.359

i i appreciate that john but i

 

0:57:43.119,0:57:47.520

appreciate you guys all you listeners

 

0:57:45.359,0:57:49.280

out there that have bought fox pros

 

0:57:47.520,0:57:51.119

thank you for your loyalty thank you for

 

0:57:49.280,0:57:52.799

your trust in our product and the trust

 

0:57:51.119,0:57:54.480

in the product name

 

0:57:52.799,0:57:58.640

and and know that we'll always have your

 

0:57:54.480,0:58:00.960

backs and you know we are still today

 

0:57:58.640,0:58:02.799

continuing to evolutionize uh

 

0:58:00.960,0:58:04.400

evolutionize this market we've got some

 

0:58:02.799,0:58:06.480

new stuff coming out can't say anything

 

0:58:04.400,0:58:08.559

now right but we've got some great new

 

0:58:06.480,0:58:11.200

products coming out here in in the

 

0:58:08.559,0:58:13.839

future that i think will set that

 

0:58:11.200,0:58:16.640

standard once again for uh the predator

 

0:58:13.839,0:58:18.480

market awesome good stuff mike we hope

 

0:58:16.640,0:58:19.920

everyone has enjoyed this episode and we

 

0:58:18.480,0:58:23.400

hope you join us again right here on the

 

0:58:19.920,0:58:23.400

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