FOXPRO's Mike Dillon joins Jon Collins to discuss the history of FOXPRO.
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welcome to the foxpro podcast
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brought to you by foxpro gamecalls
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here we are again welcome back to the
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foxpro podcast on this episode you guys
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have john collins and foxpro general
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manager mike dillon and we're going to
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be discussing the history of foxpro mike
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how's it been going man
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it's been going good john how's
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everything been going for you down there
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i've been uh been going pretty good here
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you know we actually got to spend a few
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days coyote hunting together here what
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was a couple weeks ago had uh had zach
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with us your son zach and i thought it
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was a pretty good trip wasn't it yeah we
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did anytime that you get out in the
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summer and get to call some coyote sing
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with john collins it's about or john and
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you know jeff ryder with his dogs man
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it's always a fun trip so yeah i had a i
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had a good time good eating too but we
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we won't say the restaurant we know
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where we're talking oh yeah there's
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always always good coyote calling that
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country and and whether the coyotes are
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coming good or not we always we always
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eat good like you said had good company
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so you know it's hard to have a bad time
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we all get together and uh uh get out
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there and try to call some coyotes in
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that's for sure yep absolutely right and
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you know what it was fun having zach
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along with us too it was you know uh
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i've been on a couple trips with zach
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and the colin's been so so uh but this
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time we actually had coyote trolling in
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got to see zach kill two or three
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coyotes so i know he had a good time
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oh i know zach had a good time and for
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me it's great to see him get involved in
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some of this stuff you know that that
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that we do you know he's taking such an
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interest in fox pro and he's been
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involved with it for a while now and
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he's just he's eat up with it and yeah
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he's he's doing really good for
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everything that he's doing you know it's
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uh mike it's always one thing it's
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always stood at stood out to me with
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foxpro is is the family involvement with
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the company you know there's there's
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three generations of dylan's that work
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at foxboro your dad yourself of course
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your brother steve and now your son zach
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what's what's that like having the
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family atmosphere there at work
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well you know
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we're blessed to be able to have a
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family business doing what we're doing
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you know and getting more of them
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involved is great jace is actually down
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there
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um he's he's been doing some surface
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mount stuff he's back running that in
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fact he's gonna do the same thing that
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zach did zach took his senior year and
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did a co-op program where he was just
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going into school for a couple hours a
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day and then coming uh down to foxpro to
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work the rest of the day
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in the marketing department jace is
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going to do the same thing but he's
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going to be back running the surface
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mount machine and learning all of that
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side of the business so
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seeing the kids get involved seeing you
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know the the entire family that's
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involved it's just awesome to see you
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know we are definitely very blessed in
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in uh what we do so yeah it's something
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i never want to take for granted that's
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that's exactly right well let's uh let's
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get going you know foxpro has a pretty
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cool history you know we talked about
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the family stuff there and i guess you
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could say
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fair to say that it's an american dream
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come true uh mike what inspired the fox
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pro game call
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you know that that's funny john i've
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always said it's the american dream come
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true that's something i've always
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believed you know so the inspiration for
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foxpro i mean
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in order to say hey this this is what
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the inspiration is you kind of have to
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have the picture painted of what it was
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like for me and my brother growing up as
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a kid my dad is an electronics engineer
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and my dad has such a passion for
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electronics and this was a very very
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early passion
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that he knew he had seven eight years
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old my dad would be underneath the shade
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tree down at the homestead where he grew
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up which by the way is only about a
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quarter of a mile from foxborough
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but he would sit underneath the tree and
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he'd read qst magazines at six seven
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eight years old
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12 years and actually prior to that he
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was making these radios and doing some
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other stuff at a very young age and then
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at 12 he got his first job and that was
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fixing tvs
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now it's pretty crazy
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yeah i know and you're 12 years old i
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mean i don't know i know a lot of 12
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year olds but i don't know any 12 year
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old that could go go fix tvs at the age
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of 12. wow you're looking like you're
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lucky if you get a 12 year old help mow
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the yard
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oh i know absolutely right and my dad
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had to do it he came from a family of
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nine brothers and sisters um you know so
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he had to do this and he was the oldest
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to help
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you know the family out he had go to
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work himself at a very young age so
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there was a very early work ethic put
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into him but at the same time a very
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early passion for electronics that
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stayed with him his entire life i mean
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to this day he has that same passion for
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electronics so when i'm growing up i
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never got interested in electronics i
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mean i don't have that bug in me to be
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you know electronics minded that's just
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not my mentality i've always been more
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of a sports player you know outdoor
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hunter fisher doing all of these things
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outside you know and
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it just never fit with what my dad was
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doing you know my brother actually he
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he definitely has more of that
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electronics bug in him than i do you
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know he had a very early interest in
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electronics very similar to what my dad
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does i just i just never did
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i can remember going hunting with my
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next door neighbor at this age seven
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eight years old
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and
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carrying this heavy equipment this this
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uh you know used to use these big boom
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boxes with the removable speakers you'd
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take tape and cover the led lights you
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know and then you had big lights back
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then that you'd carry with you as well
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and i was tasked the job of light man
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but i also carried some of this
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equipment and i remember one night
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walking in to the garage now when i say
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garage you're thinking a garage with
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cars and everything like that you have
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to realize that our garage was not like
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that our garage was dad's makeshift lab
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like it had there was shelves of
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electronics components everywhere my dad
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used to
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build these neophyte receivers and
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spectrum analyzers and
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he was just doing
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anything that you can imagine
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electronics related he was doing so i'd
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walk into the makeshift lab aka garage
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carrying this heavy equipment and one
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night my dad was in there and he looked
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at this stuff that we're that i'm
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carrying and he's like man there's got
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to be an easier way for you guys to take
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sound into the woods you don't need to
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take this big heavy equipment and that
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moment that the the thought the idea of
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foxfro was born then right that now
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that's pretty cool and i can you know
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and i can visualize that as you're
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talking about you guys coming there
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tripping over cords and and and
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straining to carry all this heavy
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equipment and you know and i can see
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your dad like my goodness there's got to
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be something better than what they're
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doing i might as well invent it myself
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so i think that's well i mean you
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imagine i know back in the day they were
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taking they they were taking uh
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record players they used record players
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then they went to eight tracks then they
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won the cassette players then they want
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the cd players you know just just the
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the evolution of the electronic calling
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industry has really come around and
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really been evolutionized
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and and i and i can say that dad was the
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first one to actually revolutionize this
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i mean he's been no doubt he's been
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working on this for uh i mean for so
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long he had the first digital call i
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mean i know burnham brothers had a very
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early digital call too but when they
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released theirs i knew dad already had
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his concept he just wasn't he's still in
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the basement of his house i mean nobody
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heard of john dylan or foxpro or
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anything at that point in time so uh
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when when this happened you know when
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your dad
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you know saw you guys struggling with
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all this this craziness
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what year was that approximately
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oh my well let's see that i would have
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been
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oh my i would have been eight or nine
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years old seven eight nine years old
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somewhere around there don't have the
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exact year and i am 50 as of sunday so
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you subtract 43 years from that
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what year is that
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long it would have been well
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70s early 80s let's put it that way yeah
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late 70s early 80s is because i was born
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in 72 so it would have been late 70s
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early 80s worthy the inspiration was
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made
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that is that is wild that's wild i can
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already tell you know don't be trying to
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ask me to do any math you you hired me
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to kill coyotes
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i ain't no mathematician
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well mike kelly tell us about uh you
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know i know there had to be some trials
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and tribulations and stuff you know just
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figuring figuring all this stuff out but
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what did the first
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prototype look like
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oh my there was a lot of prototypes
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along the way so you know dad obviously
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the his first goal was to create the the
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the product on a breadboard you know
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basically a breadboard is you know to
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where you're just putting a bunch of
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parts together and seeing if you get it
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to play and he had a lot of different
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early iterations of the product i mean
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he had some some non-remote versions
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that would you know fit in your back
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pocket with the little speaker um that
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had its limitations but he knew that
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that wasn't going to be loud enough for
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what the predator hunters would require
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so he then found a larger speaker a horn
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speaker and the beauty of that horn
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speaker early on was that
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for for the the prey distress sounds the
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vocalizations you know the the very high
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majority of the audio range in those
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vocalizations fall within that horn
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speaker and the beauty of the horn
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speaker is it gets very loud compared to
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a cone speaker so dad had this you know
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this horn speaker attached he had this
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this uh pc board that he had made but i
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mean we struggled growing up just like
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every other family so you know that
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couldn't go out and get a mold bait or
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anything he was he was you know hacking
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everything together in the garage with
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components that he could get but then he
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walked into a walmart one day and he
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found this ray of vac flashlight housing
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and he looked at that anything he
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thought to himself i think i can make
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that work i think this would be a great
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housing to use on my design that i have
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so he bought one
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took it home you know modified it in a
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way
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and
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stuck the unity and stuck the speaker in
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and that first fox fro was born in the
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rayovac flashlight housing you know that
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probably would have been back in the
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early 90s maybe that he had that design
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then done in that ray of that flashlight
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that's uh that's pretty cool now how far
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away
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was the actual first
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foxpro production unit i mean was it
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pretty much the same
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same thing what was the first unit unit
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number unit model and so the very first
0:11:22.160,0:11:28.800
models that he had one of the very first
0:11:24.480,0:11:31.440
ones was the model 44 uh the model 44 he
0:11:28.800,0:11:34.000
called it so it was a basically a four
0:11:31.440,0:11:35.839
sound non-remote unit so you could put
0:11:34.000,0:11:38.160
four sounds in it you could play them
0:11:35.839,0:11:39.760
you know pick your sounds uh but he
0:11:38.160,0:11:42.079
realized very quickly that there's
0:11:39.760,0:11:43.839
limits to having just four sounds on a
0:11:42.079,0:11:45.519
unit i mean look at the units today
0:11:43.839,0:11:47.680
there are guys that are putting you know
0:11:45.519,0:11:50.399
a thousands
0:11:47.680,0:11:53.279
you know so four sounds back then
0:11:50.399,0:11:55.839
was not a lot so then as it evolved he
0:11:53.279,0:11:59.200
went to a model 48 and then we went to a
0:11:55.839,0:12:01.760
model 416 which is the same style unit
0:11:59.200,0:12:04.959
in that ray of that flashlight housing
0:12:01.760,0:12:06.880
um but you know just added more sounds
0:12:04.959,0:12:09.360
and then we added some more features
0:12:06.880,0:12:11.920
like the external speaker jacks the
0:12:09.360,0:12:14.320
external audio jacks that they started
0:12:11.920,0:12:16.480
starting to evolve some there that's
0:12:14.320,0:12:18.079
right things started to evolve you know
0:12:16.480,0:12:20.240
to where uh
0:12:18.079,0:12:22.480
you had some of these features then of
0:12:20.240,0:12:25.040
course the remote control came with it
0:12:22.480,0:12:28.800
back then you know the tx5lr
0:12:25.040,0:12:30.480
was one of the first remotes that we had
0:12:28.800,0:12:33.120
for these units that would operate you
0:12:30.480,0:12:34.720
know four or eight 16 sounds you know
0:12:33.120,0:12:37.120
just a few buttons on the front of the
0:12:34.720,0:12:39.279
remote and then of course we had no lcd
0:12:37.120,0:12:40.720
screen put them put on them at the time
0:12:39.279,0:12:42.240
so you'd have to print out the sound
0:12:40.720,0:12:44.720
list and cut it out and put it on the
0:12:42.240,0:12:47.279
back of the transmitter and you know
0:12:44.720,0:12:49.839
that that was okay until you changed the
0:12:47.279,0:12:52.079
sounds we we came out with the way that
0:12:49.839,0:12:53.120
that person on that digital unit could
0:12:52.079,0:12:55.200
actually
0:12:53.120,0:12:58.399
change their sounds by
0:12:55.200,0:13:00.079
buying uh what's called a pg-1 adapter
0:12:58.399,0:13:02.560
you had those where you could plug it in
0:13:00.079,0:13:04.560
record your own audio into these units
0:13:02.560,0:13:06.160
then of course you need to change the
0:13:04.560,0:13:08.800
list so you're putting new tables out
0:13:06.160,0:13:10.560
again and you know putting
0:13:08.800,0:13:12.560
everything on it to protect it from the
0:13:10.560,0:13:14.320
weather and you know we just kept
0:13:12.560,0:13:16.160
evolving from there well well tell me
0:13:14.320,0:13:18.480
about you know these early units before
0:13:16.160,0:13:20.399
you guys started you know
0:13:18.480,0:13:21.440
going to market with them how did the
0:13:20.399,0:13:23.600
testing
0:13:21.440,0:13:26.000
go in the field early on who who put the
0:13:23.600,0:13:28.320
first units to work in the field to see
0:13:26.000,0:13:30.800
if this was going to be a viable product
0:13:28.320,0:13:33.040
so i remember my dad would actually go
0:13:30.800,0:13:35.760
out and call fox my dad actually worked
0:13:33.040,0:13:37.680
well he worked at the uh a radio station
0:13:35.760,0:13:39.360
he was an engineer at a radio station
0:13:37.680,0:13:41.839
but then he also had another job where
0:13:39.360,0:13:43.440
he had some guys that were hunters too
0:13:41.839,0:13:45.199
as he's doing this because back then
0:13:43.440,0:13:47.440
when he started getting more into this
0:13:45.199,0:13:49.360
i'm at you know college and you know
0:13:47.440,0:13:51.680
doing different things he had some other
0:13:49.360,0:13:53.360
people that were hunters and he would
0:13:51.680,0:13:55.519
give them to them take it out in the
0:13:53.360,0:13:57.360
field and try it and
0:13:55.519,0:14:00.079
you know see how they worked out with it
0:13:57.360,0:14:01.680
and you know obviously they they fell in
0:14:00.079,0:14:04.000
love with this thing right away because
0:14:01.680,0:14:04.959
they they were even so used to taking
0:14:04.000,0:14:06.560
out this
0:14:04.959,0:14:08.480
this heavy equipment you know what i
0:14:06.560,0:14:11.120
mean and being able to hand them
0:14:08.480,0:14:13.920
something in a the size of a ray of back
0:14:11.120,0:14:16.959
flashlight like take it out in the field
0:14:13.920,0:14:18.800
and call it in i mean it is just yeah i
0:14:16.959,0:14:20.480
could imagine these guys going from
0:14:18.800,0:14:23.600
packing you know one thing is the
0:14:20.480,0:14:26.480
boombox deal those are big but uh you
0:14:23.600,0:14:28.000
mentioned record players earlier
0:14:26.480,0:14:30.480
you know i know a lot of these young
0:14:28.000,0:14:33.360
guys that list you you all don't have a
0:14:30.480,0:14:35.760
clue how heavy these old record players
0:14:33.360,0:14:37.360
were i cannot imagine these guys what
0:14:35.760,0:14:39.680
they thought going from a packing a
0:14:37.360,0:14:41.199
record player around to packing one of
0:14:39.680,0:14:43.040
these compact
0:14:41.199,0:14:45.040
foxpro units that they could literally
0:14:43.040,0:14:47.040
stuff into a coat pocket
0:14:45.040,0:14:49.360
it happened
0:14:47.040,0:14:52.800
talk about it you know it's just uh
0:14:49.360,0:14:55.920
evolution of the game call that's uh
0:14:52.800,0:14:56.880
just a new wave come crashing in so to
0:14:55.920,0:14:58.399
speak
0:14:56.880,0:15:00.480
it it was awesome
0:14:58.399,0:15:02.160
you know anybody that put their hands on
0:15:00.480,0:15:04.240
this wanted this and i think dad knew
0:15:02.160,0:15:06.320
very early on that you know hey
0:15:04.240,0:15:08.880
he's got something here he would start
0:15:06.320,0:15:11.040
to take those products down to the local
0:15:08.880,0:15:13.120
harrisburg show which is a eastern
0:15:11.040,0:15:15.279
sports and outdoor show and he would
0:15:13.120,0:15:18.560
start to sell them down there and then
0:15:15.279,0:15:21.279
obviously orders started coming in and
0:15:18.560,0:15:22.959
when you ordered a fox pro back then
0:15:21.279,0:15:25.519
they weren't sitting on the shelf ready
0:15:22.959,0:15:27.760
to go they were custom made custom
0:15:25.519,0:15:29.920
ordered you know you ordered it you may
0:15:27.760,0:15:31.759
get it eight weeks later you know ten
0:15:29.920,0:15:33.920
weeks later because dad was still
0:15:31.759,0:15:36.399
working full time you know and then in
0:15:33.920,0:15:38.800
the evenings and weekends he would build
0:15:36.399,0:15:41.519
these uh um and then me and my brother
0:15:38.800,0:15:43.040
start helping him build these um
0:15:41.519,0:15:45.920
in the basement of the house he actually
0:15:43.040,0:15:47.839
hired his first full-time employee kathy
0:15:45.920,0:15:49.920
rothrock that worked in the basement of
0:15:47.839,0:15:52.160
dad's house she's still an employee
0:15:49.920,0:15:54.079
today oh man that's i i remember saying
0:15:52.160,0:15:56.399
that on facebook not too long ago
0:15:54.079,0:15:58.079
celebrating her work anniversary and i
0:15:56.399,0:16:00.160
thought man that is so cool the very
0:15:58.079,0:16:01.920
first employee that ever started for
0:16:00.160,0:16:03.279
foxpro is still working there today i
0:16:01.920,0:16:05.759
think that says a lot about the company
0:16:03.279,0:16:07.279
itself too yep yep that that's yeah
0:16:05.759,0:16:09.519
we're definitely proud of that we've got
0:16:07.279,0:16:11.279
a we've got a not to get off on a
0:16:09.519,0:16:13.120
tangent but we've got a great group of
0:16:11.279,0:16:15.040
employees you know we're very blessed
0:16:13.120,0:16:17.199
with the employees that we have we have
0:16:15.040,0:16:20.240
a lot of long-term employees don't have
0:16:17.199,0:16:22.160
a lot of turnover you know and and you
0:16:20.240,0:16:23.519
know i think that does say a lot about
0:16:22.160,0:16:25.199
the environment that we're able to
0:16:23.519,0:16:27.279
provide for a workplace but the company
0:16:25.199,0:16:30.000
itself we're very we're very family
0:16:27.279,0:16:31.680
oriented company which you know
0:16:30.000,0:16:33.759
you don't get that a lot anymore well
0:16:31.680,0:16:35.440
i'll tell you what mike i i just want to
0:16:33.759,0:16:38.079
tell you thanks for bringing me into the
0:16:35.440,0:16:39.040
family into the workplace it's it's a i
0:16:38.079,0:16:40.880
guess
0:16:39.040,0:16:42.639
it's a dream come true for me and i'm
0:16:40.880,0:16:44.079
glad to be part of it and you know i
0:16:42.639,0:16:46.880
think it's that's another thing that
0:16:44.079,0:16:48.240
stands out to me is about foxpro as a
0:16:46.880,0:16:50.160
company is that
0:16:48.240,0:16:52.480
you know the the guys and gals that
0:16:50.160,0:16:54.480
worked there were predator hunters you
0:16:52.480,0:16:57.199
know the guys and gals in every
0:16:54.480,0:16:59.440
department hunt and you actually use the
0:16:57.199,0:17:00.399
fox pro products that we produce in the
0:16:59.440,0:17:02.639
field
0:17:00.399,0:17:04.000
yes that's that's absolutely right it
0:17:02.639,0:17:05.760
doesn't matter if they're in the sales
0:17:04.000,0:17:08.559
department the service department or out
0:17:05.760,0:17:10.720
on the floor shipping wherever
0:17:08.559,0:17:12.319
it it is just you know many of the
0:17:10.720,0:17:14.079
employees not saying all of them hunt
0:17:12.319,0:17:16.000
right many of the employees down there
0:17:14.079,0:17:18.559
are diehard hunters they're eat up with
0:17:16.000,0:17:21.280
this stuff so they're able to put input
0:17:18.559,0:17:23.679
onto things too as we progress and come
0:17:21.280,0:17:25.520
out with new products and
0:17:23.679,0:17:27.199
you know all of those things it's great
0:17:25.520,0:17:29.360
to have that kind of
0:17:27.199,0:17:31.200
passion in your employees that
0:17:29.360,0:17:33.039
appreciate what it is that you're trying
0:17:31.200,0:17:34.880
to do right you know and that's the
0:17:33.039,0:17:36.160
thing where where are so many hunters
0:17:34.880,0:17:38.960
that's actually
0:17:36.160,0:17:41.280
involved with the company is you know
0:17:38.960,0:17:44.080
they're they're developed
0:17:41.280,0:17:45.200
by hunters designed by hunters tested by
0:17:44.080,0:17:47.840
hunters
0:17:45.200,0:17:51.120
the whole from start to finish is done
0:17:47.840,0:17:53.120
by hunters predators that's right
0:17:51.120,0:17:55.840
that that's absolutely right and there
0:17:53.120,0:17:57.919
isn't another company out there john
0:17:55.840,0:18:00.720
well we're very proud that these things
0:17:57.919,0:18:03.600
are made right here in america right
0:18:00.720,0:18:04.960
um where everything from the the the
0:18:03.600,0:18:07.120
engineering
0:18:04.960,0:18:10.400
at foxpro the
0:18:07.120,0:18:13.840
uh surface mount placement at foxpro the
0:18:10.400,0:18:16.559
pc board layouts at foxpro every single
0:18:13.840,0:18:18.880
part put on a board at foxpro i mean
0:18:16.559,0:18:20.320
it's just people don't realize that
0:18:18.880,0:18:22.320
until they see it
0:18:20.320,0:18:24.640
and there isn't another company not only
0:18:22.320,0:18:27.760
in the predator industry i'll say in the
0:18:24.640,0:18:29.600
entire hunting industry that makes an
0:18:27.760,0:18:32.000
electronic product
0:18:29.600,0:18:34.320
made from start to finish right here in
0:18:32.000,0:18:36.480
the usa you know and we're very proud of
0:18:34.320,0:18:38.559
that fact yes i know we'll hear we've
0:18:36.480,0:18:40.480
heard this for years hey some of these
0:18:38.559,0:18:42.640
components they're coming from china
0:18:40.480,0:18:45.360
well of course they are we there there
0:18:42.640,0:18:48.160
is diodes resistors capacitors
0:18:45.360,0:18:50.000
microprocessors there is nobody making
0:18:48.160,0:18:52.080
them in america they they just don't
0:18:50.000,0:18:54.000
you've got to outsource them and get
0:18:52.080,0:18:55.440
them in from another location we we
0:18:54.000,0:18:57.440
can't help that they're cut they come
0:18:55.440,0:19:00.160
from all over the place you know that
0:18:57.440,0:19:01.679
but most of them are number one american
0:19:00.160,0:19:05.440
distributors that we're getting them
0:19:01.679,0:19:07.360
from so you know i just it is something
0:19:05.440,0:19:09.200
that we've heard a lot of but if they
0:19:07.360,0:19:10.640
come and they see the way that our
0:19:09.200,0:19:13.120
process is done
0:19:10.640,0:19:15.200
that argument will quickly go out of
0:19:13.120,0:19:16.640
their mind no doubt
0:19:15.200,0:19:18.559
i've been i've been there on the floor
0:19:16.640,0:19:21.520
many times and you know and i've told
0:19:18.559,0:19:24.000
people if you ever think that meet me at
0:19:21.520,0:19:26.000
lewistown pennsylvania i'll personally
0:19:24.000,0:19:27.919
give you a tour
0:19:26.000,0:19:29.520
through foxpro and if you can come back
0:19:27.919,0:19:31.280
out and look any of them in the eye and
0:19:29.520,0:19:33.120
say if there's not a made in the usa
0:19:31.280,0:19:36.400
product and then you're you're lying to
0:19:33.120,0:19:38.640
yourself and them no well absolutely and
0:19:36.400,0:19:40.799
i do think i mean and this is you know
0:19:38.640,0:19:42.559
not begrudging anybody that buys any
0:19:40.799,0:19:44.799
other competitors product but i think
0:19:42.559,0:19:48.480
somehow in their mind
0:19:44.799,0:19:50.000
it justifies their purchase in a sense
0:19:48.480,0:19:52.080
you know and i'm not saying i'm not here
0:19:50.000,0:19:54.480
to say you know don't buy anything else
0:19:52.080,0:19:56.320
i love competition i really do but i
0:19:54.480,0:19:58.559
think for those people that make that
0:19:56.320,0:20:00.480
argument probably have purchased a unit
0:19:58.559,0:20:01.679
that was made in china
0:20:00.480,0:20:03.600
and uh
0:20:01.679,0:20:05.679
are trying to justify it in their mind
0:20:03.600,0:20:07.280
or to everybody else in some way right
0:20:05.679,0:20:08.960
well you know we're
0:20:07.280,0:20:10.559
the the product is proudly made in the
0:20:08.960,0:20:12.320
usa you know we put that right on the
0:20:10.559,0:20:14.000
box and you do have to meet a criteria
0:20:12.320,0:20:15.120
to be able to say that i know it means a
0:20:14.000,0:20:16.559
lot to you
0:20:15.120,0:20:19.200
means a lot to me
0:20:16.559,0:20:20.960
and you know it's just
0:20:19.200,0:20:22.559
it just is what it is
0:20:20.960,0:20:23.840
let's get right back to what we were
0:20:22.559,0:20:25.120
talking about earlier you know he was
0:20:23.840,0:20:27.919
talking about
0:20:25.120,0:20:29.360
the first prototypes of the calls
0:20:27.919,0:20:30.720
testing them in the field and you were
0:20:29.360,0:20:32.720
talking about
0:20:30.720,0:20:34.720
your dad started selling those calls at
0:20:32.720,0:20:37.440
the big harrisburg show then i'm i'm
0:20:34.720,0:20:40.240
assuming that uh just
0:20:37.440,0:20:42.559
the word of mouth of these calls being
0:20:40.240,0:20:45.280
out uh probably spread like wildfire
0:20:42.559,0:20:47.520
probably really started picking up uh
0:20:45.280,0:20:49.679
for you guys having to you know start to
0:20:47.520,0:20:50.720
figure out ways to to produce these
0:20:49.679,0:20:52.799
calls
0:20:50.720,0:20:53.919
more efficiently and faster to get them
0:20:52.799,0:20:56.400
out the door
0:20:53.919,0:20:58.720
oh absolutely you know so
0:20:56.400,0:21:00.240
that dad did the to go along with that
0:20:58.720,0:21:03.200
story dad would take these down to
0:21:00.240,0:21:05.200
harrisburg and i'll never forget a story
0:21:03.200,0:21:06.960
dad told me that
0:21:05.200,0:21:08.400
johnny stewart i'm sure many people many
0:21:06.960,0:21:10.240
of the listeners out there have heard of
0:21:08.400,0:21:13.919
johnny stewart right johnny stewart used
0:21:10.240,0:21:16.320
to be the name in the predator industry
0:21:13.919,0:21:19.120
gerald stewart was walking around this
0:21:16.320,0:21:21.919
show gerald is johnny stewart's son and
0:21:19.120,0:21:24.559
he was pretty much you know the guy that
0:21:21.919,0:21:26.640
was running uh
0:21:24.559,0:21:27.760
hunter specialties and their advisor and
0:21:26.640,0:21:29.520
all of this stuff
0:21:27.760,0:21:31.360
he walked around and he saw dad's
0:21:29.520,0:21:33.039
product and he came up to that and he's
0:21:31.360,0:21:34.640
like are you sure you want to do this
0:21:33.039,0:21:37.039
you know you sure this is something you
0:21:34.640,0:21:38.640
want to do and dad's like yeah i think i
0:21:37.039,0:21:40.559
do well gerald stewart and actually
0:21:38.640,0:21:42.159
gerald told me this himself
0:21:40.559,0:21:44.480
you know he went back to hunter
0:21:42.159,0:21:46.080
specialties and he's like guys i'm here
0:21:44.480,0:21:48.320
to tell you right now if there's ever a
0:21:46.080,0:21:51.120
company you need to worry about it's
0:21:48.320,0:21:52.720
foxpro might be in trouble
0:21:51.120,0:21:53.919
we might be in trouble yeah because of
0:21:52.720,0:21:55.760
what this guy's doing it's an
0:21:53.919,0:21:58.080
american-made product these guys got
0:21:55.760,0:21:59.840
something really cool and you know it
0:21:58.080,0:22:02.720
just continued to take off from there
0:21:59.840,0:22:04.720
and and to be recognized so early by you
0:22:02.720,0:22:06.400
know such a great pioneer in our sport
0:22:04.720,0:22:07.679
like gerald stewart and johnny sort of i
0:22:06.400,0:22:10.880
mean that's that's
0:22:07.679,0:22:13.360
at a very you know very instant stage of
0:22:10.880,0:22:15.200
the foxpro uh uh
0:22:13.360,0:22:16.480
story i mean it was just it's it's
0:22:15.200,0:22:18.400
awesome
0:22:16.480,0:22:20.240
that is pretty cool to see somebody like
0:22:18.400,0:22:22.080
that and see the prop see your dad there
0:22:20.240,0:22:24.640
with the product and and it catch their
0:22:22.080,0:22:25.679
eye like that uh it's it really says
0:22:24.640,0:22:27.440
something
0:22:25.679,0:22:29.600
it it is there were people that were
0:22:27.440,0:22:31.520
saying back then john that
0:22:29.600,0:22:33.600
fox pro will never be able to sell these
0:22:31.520,0:22:35.120
an array of act flashlights housing yet
0:22:33.600,0:22:38.080
they're not going to be able to do it
0:22:35.120,0:22:41.200
right well we did that very successfully
0:22:38.080,0:22:45.039
for for many many years you know and if
0:22:41.200,0:22:47.039
you look at most of the calls today
0:22:45.039,0:22:50.720
they have all been inspired by that
0:22:47.039,0:22:53.280
foxpro flashlight look you know we we we
0:22:50.720,0:22:55.840
came out with you know future products
0:22:53.280,0:22:58.640
they still had that same look and
0:22:55.840,0:23:01.440
ergonomic feel what they handle and you
0:22:58.640,0:23:04.400
know everybody started mimicking that
0:23:01.440,0:23:06.240
look you know foxpro paved the way for
0:23:04.400,0:23:08.400
all of the predator products that are
0:23:06.240,0:23:10.720
out there today with those first designs
0:23:08.400,0:23:12.400
and uh we still hold true to some of
0:23:10.720,0:23:14.559
those designs we've gotten away from
0:23:12.400,0:23:17.760
some of them a little bit but right well
0:23:14.559,0:23:20.640
that design speaks volumes i mean it uh
0:23:17.760,0:23:22.159
it's so efficient in the field uh just
0:23:20.640,0:23:23.760
ways you could you could carry it in
0:23:22.159,0:23:25.440
with the handle you could hang it off
0:23:23.760,0:23:26.720
stuff you could set it up on fence post
0:23:25.440,0:23:29.760
there's just a million ways you could
0:23:26.720,0:23:31.120
use the call that uh it was just a tried
0:23:29.760,0:23:32.799
tried and true
0:23:31.120,0:23:36.480
you know after that very first version
0:23:32.799,0:23:38.960
of it you know it had the fx3 the fx5 uh
0:23:36.480,0:23:40.799
the fury uh fusion all of them kind of
0:23:38.960,0:23:42.720
had that same style and you know they
0:23:40.799,0:23:43.520
were great units every single one of
0:23:42.720,0:23:45.600
them
0:23:43.520,0:23:47.279
yeah that's right absolutely yeah they
0:23:45.600,0:23:50.559
all had the two speakers that was a big
0:23:47.279,0:23:53.279
move that was when when foxpro had
0:23:50.559,0:23:55.039
evolved from the ray of vac flashlight
0:23:53.279,0:23:57.120
housing you got to realize when we were
0:23:55.039,0:23:59.760
making those units
0:23:57.120,0:24:02.159
every single part on those boards were
0:23:59.760,0:24:04.720
placed by hand i mean oh man it was
0:24:02.159,0:24:04.720
nothing
0:24:05.919,0:24:10.480
well you you'd populate the pc boards
0:24:08.559,0:24:12.799
first and you put everything together
0:24:10.480,0:24:15.760
before stuffing it in but i'm talking
0:24:12.799,0:24:17.200
each of those the microprocessors the
0:24:15.760,0:24:19.919
the
0:24:17.200,0:24:21.840
capacitors resistors every part was put
0:24:19.919,0:24:23.760
in there by hand and you did you did
0:24:21.840,0:24:26.559
that stuff yourself didn't you mike when
0:24:23.760,0:24:28.400
did you start working with your dad and
0:24:26.559,0:24:29.919
starting to realize that dream of foxpro
0:24:28.400,0:24:32.400
when did you start and you were building
0:24:29.919,0:24:35.360
calls and all that kind of stuff so for
0:24:32.400,0:24:38.400
me that it probably started for me about
0:24:35.360,0:24:40.480
20 years ago to where i at the time i
0:24:38.400,0:24:42.400
was a body shop manager i was running a
0:24:40.480,0:24:44.320
body shop
0:24:42.400,0:24:46.960
and i would come up the dads in the
0:24:44.320,0:24:49.520
evenings and weekends and help him
0:24:46.960,0:24:51.440
um do these things you know take phone
0:24:49.520,0:24:52.880
calls just just do a number of different
0:24:51.440,0:24:55.360
things trying to help him get these
0:24:52.880,0:24:57.840
things made and then i remember when dad
0:24:55.360,0:25:00.480
took his early retirement from where he
0:24:57.840,0:25:01.760
was working to come full time to do what
0:25:00.480,0:25:04.559
he was doing
0:25:01.760,0:25:07.760
when he did that then i did that also
0:25:04.559,0:25:09.919
then i came and and kept me kathy and
0:25:07.760,0:25:12.400
dad were the the first three full-time
0:25:09.919,0:25:15.120
employees at foxpro that that you know
0:25:12.400,0:25:17.279
started doing stuff dad would would
0:25:15.120,0:25:18.960
you know design these units i would help
0:25:17.279,0:25:21.039
build them kathy would help build them
0:25:18.960,0:25:23.840
but then i started really doing more of
0:25:21.039,0:25:25.760
the marketing and the advertising and
0:25:23.840,0:25:28.400
you know all of those things to try to
0:25:25.760,0:25:31.840
really propel foxpro and to really you
0:25:28.400,0:25:34.080
know get it out into mainstream media so
0:25:31.840,0:25:36.480
when what when was the company is it
0:25:34.080,0:25:37.919
1993 when the company was officially
0:25:36.480,0:25:40.080
founded so to speak
0:25:37.919,0:25:43.039
that's when yeah that's the date that we
0:25:40.080,0:25:45.440
put established 93 but i mean it goes
0:25:43.039,0:25:47.919
all the way back to the early 70s it
0:25:45.440,0:25:49.760
really does it goes back before that but
0:25:47.919,0:25:51.440
trying to pick the date that a company
0:25:49.760,0:25:53.360
was established what do you pick the
0:25:51.440,0:25:56.240
date the first ones made the date the
0:25:53.360,0:25:58.880
ideas inspired you know it's so hard to
0:25:56.240,0:26:00.960
pick that starting gate right you know
0:25:58.880,0:26:03.679
is it the first prototype that dad had
0:26:00.960,0:26:06.000
that really wasn't uh uh in the ray of
0:26:03.679,0:26:07.520
flashlight housing so you know
0:26:06.000,0:26:10.880
trying to pick that date but we put
0:26:07.520,0:26:12.960
established 1993 just as just as a date
0:26:10.880,0:26:15.600
to have to use right well we was
0:26:12.960,0:26:17.600
mentioning some of the other uh other
0:26:15.600,0:26:19.760
units there just a minute ago let's talk
0:26:17.600,0:26:21.760
about the evolution of the units a
0:26:19.760,0:26:24.080
little bit and uh you know you talk
0:26:21.760,0:26:25.600
about going into the rayovac flashlight
0:26:24.080,0:26:30.000
style deal
0:26:25.600,0:26:31.520
was the fx3 the first actual molded
0:26:30.000,0:26:34.799
unit mic or was there another call
0:26:31.520,0:26:38.480
before that no the fx3 was the very
0:26:34.799,0:26:40.320
first molded unit that we had uh made
0:26:38.480,0:26:43.039
and that was a big deal for us because
0:26:40.320,0:26:43.919
molds are very very expensive to get
0:26:43.039,0:26:46.960
made
0:26:43.919,0:26:48.559
um i mean you just a lot of money
0:26:46.960,0:26:50.240
hundreds of thousands of dollars to get
0:26:48.559,0:26:51.120
these molds made
0:26:50.240,0:26:54.000
and
0:26:51.120,0:26:55.360
it was but we knew that if we were going
0:26:54.000,0:26:58.000
to continue
0:26:55.360,0:27:00.480
growing at the rating which we were
0:26:58.000,0:27:03.440
not only did we have to do something to
0:27:00.480,0:27:07.679
make them go together quicker but we
0:27:03.440,0:27:09.520
also had to continue to uh um take the
0:27:07.679,0:27:12.080
evolution of the call to a different
0:27:09.520,0:27:14.080
level so that fx3 yes that was the
0:27:12.080,0:27:17.600
very first mold that we have gotten made
0:27:14.080,0:27:20.080
but that fx3 also came with two speakers
0:27:17.600,0:27:22.399
it came with the the front horn speaker
0:27:20.080,0:27:24.640
and it came with the rear cone speaker
0:27:22.399,0:27:26.880
and why do you do that well that was
0:27:24.640,0:27:28.320
very very early on we knew what some of
0:27:26.880,0:27:31.600
the shortcomings were going to be of
0:27:28.320,0:27:33.120
just utilizing a horn speaker again i
0:27:31.600,0:27:35.600
mentioned earlier to where the whole
0:27:33.120,0:27:39.440
speaker reproduces the
0:27:35.600,0:27:41.120
high majority of the audio range of prey
0:27:39.440,0:27:43.760
distressed sounds of coyote
0:27:41.120,0:27:44.880
mobilizations but it doesn't reproduce
0:27:43.760,0:27:47.200
them all
0:27:44.880,0:27:49.360
when you start adding you know the cone
0:27:47.200,0:27:51.440
speaker which has you know a much better
0:27:49.360,0:27:52.960
frequency response at certain
0:27:51.440,0:27:55.679
certain pitches
0:27:52.960,0:27:57.679
it makes sense to start making the sound
0:27:55.679,0:28:00.320
sound better by giving it a speaker that
0:27:57.679,0:28:02.480
can actually reproduce
0:28:00.320,0:28:03.679
the fuller content of all of those
0:28:02.480,0:28:06.320
sounds right
0:28:03.679,0:28:08.480
i tell you something else for me that's
0:28:06.320,0:28:11.919
cool to hear this type of stuff is the
0:28:08.480,0:28:13.279
fx3 is the first unit i ever ran and
0:28:11.919,0:28:14.640
another cool thing about it is i
0:28:13.279,0:28:17.039
remember getting it
0:28:14.640,0:28:19.679
getting the call in uh playing with it a
0:28:17.039,0:28:22.480
little bit and then one evening after i
0:28:19.679,0:28:23.919
got done working for my dad farming i
0:28:22.480,0:28:27.520
said i was gonna make a coyote stand
0:28:23.919,0:28:31.039
with it very first stand caught a coyote
0:28:27.520,0:28:32.880
up with the foxpro fx3 that i ever saw
0:28:31.039,0:28:34.559
so i thought and now of course today and
0:28:32.880,0:28:36.159
talking about the evolution
0:28:34.559,0:28:38.000
now you know i've run many calls in
0:28:36.159,0:28:40.320
between the fx3 and today you know now
0:28:38.000,0:28:42.559
all the way up to the the x series units
0:28:40.320,0:28:44.480
and there's been so many
0:28:42.559,0:28:46.080
great units that have come out over the
0:28:44.480,0:28:48.559
years is there any of those units that
0:28:46.080,0:28:52.399
really stand out to you mike that like
0:28:48.559,0:28:55.440
took the next step after the fx3
0:28:52.399,0:28:56.960
well i would say after the fx3 and one
0:28:55.440,0:28:59.120
thing i do want to mention about that
0:28:56.960,0:29:01.840
fx3 before i go on from that into some
0:28:59.120,0:29:04.399
of the future products that that fx3 if
0:29:01.840,0:29:08.000
you remember me saying that in the 416s
0:29:04.399,0:29:09.679
you had to buy a pg-1 adapter to record
0:29:08.000,0:29:12.960
the sounds into it
0:29:09.679,0:29:15.279
that all changed with the fx3 fx3 came
0:29:12.960,0:29:18.000
with the usb port that you could just
0:29:15.279,0:29:21.279
hook it up to your computer and download
0:29:18.000,0:29:24.080
everything right into the unit so as we
0:29:21.279,0:29:26.880
progressed we i mean obviously be using
0:29:24.080,0:29:28.399
these products ourselves we we realized
0:29:26.880,0:29:30.159
what it is that we could do to make
0:29:28.399,0:29:32.559
these products better yeah
0:29:30.159,0:29:34.480
absolutely and that was a big hiccup
0:29:32.559,0:29:37.840
with some of those early units that you
0:29:34.480,0:29:39.919
had to in order to change the the sounds
0:29:37.840,0:29:42.159
in it took a pg-1 adapter changing the
0:29:39.919,0:29:44.240
label we changed all of that with the
0:29:42.159,0:29:46.399
fx3 you know that the ease of
0:29:44.240,0:29:47.520
downloading sounds right
0:29:46.399,0:29:49.440
but
0:29:47.520,0:29:51.760
to answer your question
0:29:49.440,0:29:53.039
i think to me the next product that
0:29:51.760,0:29:55.200
really
0:29:53.039,0:29:56.880
after the fx3 and then of course you
0:29:55.200,0:29:58.559
know you went to the fx5 and some of
0:29:56.880,0:30:00.399
these other units but the next unit that
0:29:58.559,0:30:03.840
really i think
0:30:00.399,0:30:04.559
uh made a difference was that shockwave
0:30:03.840,0:30:05.840
you know
0:30:04.559,0:30:08.159
shockwaves
0:30:05.840,0:30:09.120
truckloads with a shockwave i love that
0:30:08.159,0:30:11.520
unit
0:30:09.120,0:30:14.159
uh you so here you're taking two
0:30:11.520,0:30:16.720
speakers two horn speakers two tweeters
0:30:14.159,0:30:18.480
to reproduce the high end movable
0:30:16.720,0:30:20.640
speakers that you could point them in
0:30:18.480,0:30:24.399
whatever direction you want
0:30:20.640,0:30:26.159
and more importantly that tx 1000 remote
0:30:24.399,0:30:29.520
control oh man
0:30:26.159,0:30:31.679
the the tx 1000 even today
0:30:29.520,0:30:33.600
sets the standard for remote controls
0:30:31.679,0:30:36.080
anymore with everything that you can do
0:30:33.600,0:30:38.960
with it i mean with all of the features
0:30:36.080,0:30:41.279
that we put into that tx1000 you know
0:30:38.960,0:30:43.360
the fox pitch to where you can
0:30:41.279,0:30:45.760
manipulate the sound of a rapid distress
0:30:43.360,0:30:48.480
or a coyote howl to go from a high pitch
0:30:45.760,0:30:50.559
to a low pitch the fox fusion i don't
0:30:48.480,0:30:53.360
think people really understand
0:30:50.559,0:30:55.760
just how hard that fox fusion was to do
0:30:53.360,0:30:57.360
taking two sounds at once and being able
0:30:55.760,0:30:59.360
to play them yeah you're gonna there's
0:30:57.360,0:31:01.120
been other units that have done that you
0:30:59.360,0:31:02.480
know that that you press two buttons and
0:31:01.120,0:31:04.799
you play two sounds at once the
0:31:02.480,0:31:06.480
difference is that they were the exact
0:31:04.799,0:31:08.240
same file type
0:31:06.480,0:31:09.679
everybody knows that on these shockwaves
0:31:08.240,0:31:11.760
you could put an mp3 you could put a
0:31:09.679,0:31:15.279
wave you could put a
0:31:11.760,0:31:17.760
16 bit an fxp sound file in there now
0:31:15.279,0:31:19.919
you're taking two different file types
0:31:17.760,0:31:21.360
and playing them together that was a big
0:31:19.919,0:31:23.600
feat that i don't think people really
0:31:21.360,0:31:25.440
understood how hard that was they don't
0:31:23.600,0:31:26.640
know anything about electronics or audio
0:31:25.440,0:31:28.480
electronics taking those two different
0:31:26.640,0:31:30.640
file types and doing that that was that
0:31:28.480,0:31:32.559
was pretty cool and that's why you know
0:31:30.640,0:31:34.399
fox [ __ ] is one of those things that
0:31:32.559,0:31:36.480
i'm i'm really proud of i love the fact
0:31:34.399,0:31:38.880
that you can take these two sounds and
0:31:36.480,0:31:40.399
mix them together and just create
0:31:38.880,0:31:43.519
scenarios that you could never create
0:31:40.399,0:31:46.559
before that that that shockwave and the
0:31:43.519,0:31:48.720
tx1000 remote def you know i see i view
0:31:46.559,0:31:50.080
them as a ahead of their time you know
0:31:48.720,0:31:51.679
and we've actually seen you know and the
0:31:50.080,0:31:54.159
shock wave itself is still relevant
0:31:51.679,0:31:56.000
today it's still a awesome unit and you
0:31:54.159,0:31:58.799
know we've actually seen that unit tried
0:31:56.000,0:32:00.720
to be copied off of a little bit by by
0:31:58.799,0:32:02.320
you know other companies so it kind of
0:32:00.720,0:32:04.320
stays above
0:32:02.320,0:32:06.480
one thing along the way john that we
0:32:04.320,0:32:08.960
have learned that we are going to be the
0:32:06.480,0:32:10.720
company that everybody tries to mimic
0:32:08.960,0:32:13.279
and and you know
0:32:10.720,0:32:15.200
i'm proud of that you know i i certainly
0:32:13.279,0:32:16.960
don't block a competition i mean i think
0:32:15.200,0:32:19.360
competition is good it keeps us on our
0:32:16.960,0:32:21.600
toes it keeps us you know making sure
0:32:19.360,0:32:24.000
that we continue to do the things that
0:32:21.600,0:32:26.320
we have always done standing behind the
0:32:24.000,0:32:27.559
units continue to and here in america
0:32:26.320,0:32:30.240
continue to
0:32:27.559,0:32:32.720
evolutionize with different products you
0:32:30.240,0:32:34.240
know and and keep them in the rear view
0:32:32.720,0:32:35.519
mirror i mean that's always been
0:32:34.240,0:32:37.039
something that's been a goal of mine you
0:32:35.519,0:32:38.960
got to keep them in the rear view right
0:32:37.039,0:32:40.799
you can't you can't let them get ahead
0:32:38.960,0:32:42.080
of you and they haven't done it yet well
0:32:40.799,0:32:43.360
there's of those things you know
0:32:42.080,0:32:44.480
somebody starts copying some of the
0:32:43.360,0:32:46.159
stuff you're doing it's actually pretty
0:32:44.480,0:32:47.440
flattering you know it means you're
0:32:46.159,0:32:49.279
doing something right and you're leading
0:32:47.440,0:32:50.799
the pack so you know we've talked about
0:32:49.279,0:32:53.519
some of the fox features we talked about
0:32:50.799,0:32:55.840
fox pitch talked about foxbang fox
0:32:53.519,0:32:58.159
fusion and the evolution of the calls
0:32:55.840,0:33:00.799
themselves but you know one thing we've
0:32:58.159,0:33:02.159
got several different units in our
0:33:00.799,0:33:03.919
lineup you want to talk about that a
0:33:02.159,0:33:06.240
little bit mike and let the listeners
0:33:03.919,0:33:09.279
know why we have so many units that are
0:33:06.240,0:33:12.399
actually available in our lineup today
0:33:09.279,0:33:15.360
that's a great question john
0:33:12.399,0:33:17.279
i guess to sum that up there are so many
0:33:15.360,0:33:19.919
different types of predator hunters out
0:33:17.279,0:33:23.440
there you know that you have to be able
0:33:19.919,0:33:25.440
to offer a product to every single type
0:33:23.440,0:33:27.760
so you you've got the guys that are
0:33:25.440,0:33:29.200
budget-minded budget-friendly they don't
0:33:27.760,0:33:30.640
know if they're going to like the sport
0:33:29.200,0:33:32.640
don't really want to invest a lot of
0:33:30.640,0:33:35.039
money so we come out with some of the
0:33:32.640,0:33:36.320
lower end units like the patriot in the
0:33:35.039,0:33:39.200
inferno
0:33:36.320,0:33:40.640
that don't break the bank um when you
0:33:39.200,0:33:42.880
buy them but you're still buying a
0:33:40.640,0:33:45.039
foxpro unit that's an awesome unit you
0:33:42.880,0:33:47.519
know doesn't have all of the sounds
0:33:45.039,0:33:50.399
doesn't have all of the features uh but
0:33:47.519,0:33:52.880
it's still a great entry tool for those
0:33:50.399,0:33:55.039
guys to get into you know if there's
0:33:52.880,0:33:56.159
plenty of coyotes plenty of fox plenty
0:33:55.039,0:33:58.799
of bobcat whatever you're wanting to
0:33:56.159,0:34:01.200
call in those units will call that stuff
0:33:58.799,0:34:02.960
in for you no doubt well
0:34:01.200,0:34:05.519
here's what i'll say about those units
0:34:02.960,0:34:07.840
now like the inferno and the patriot
0:34:05.519,0:34:09.839
they have more features than those first
0:34:07.840,0:34:11.679
calls that we came out with 20 years ago
0:34:09.839,0:34:12.960
that were selling for over five six
0:34:11.679,0:34:14.960
hundred dollars right you know what i
0:34:12.960,0:34:18.399
mean right they've got more features
0:34:14.960,0:34:21.119
better sound you know everything
0:34:18.399,0:34:23.599
better than what those original units
0:34:21.119,0:34:26.639
that we were coming out with you know 20
0:34:23.599,0:34:30.720
years ago for 200 bucks or under you
0:34:26.639,0:34:32.960
know it's just it's just for us to be
0:34:30.720,0:34:34.720
made right here in the usa and to be
0:34:32.960,0:34:36.639
able to put those products out at that
0:34:34.720,0:34:39.359
price point man i don't think people
0:34:36.639,0:34:42.399
really appreciate you know that the feat
0:34:39.359,0:34:44.480
that that takes you know it's it's
0:34:42.399,0:34:46.159
these units are very costly to build
0:34:44.480,0:34:48.480
right right well you know we like you
0:34:46.159,0:34:49.440
time it started out with the rayovac
0:34:48.480,0:34:52.800
style
0:34:49.440,0:34:55.280
design with with the foxpro guts inside
0:34:52.800,0:34:57.440
there and the horn speaker and now today
0:34:55.280,0:34:58.960
we have the x series that's what i'm
0:34:57.440,0:35:02.320
running today i know you love the x
0:34:58.960,0:35:03.839
series mic running the x24 x2s the
0:35:02.320,0:35:05.359
x-wave you want you want to talk about
0:35:03.839,0:35:07.119
the x-series a little bit how we've kind
0:35:05.359,0:35:09.040
of oh yeah
0:35:07.119,0:35:11.200
i'll talk about the x-series but you
0:35:09.040,0:35:12.960
know there's so many other units that
0:35:11.200,0:35:14.400
that we have i mean i started with the
0:35:12.960,0:35:18.640
patriot but then of course you got the
0:35:14.400,0:35:18.640
units like the hammer jack which is
0:35:18.800,0:35:24.400
it it's a middle of the road call it's
0:35:21.200,0:35:27.040
got more volume than the inferno or the
0:35:24.400,0:35:29.599
patriot it's got more features it's got
0:35:27.040,0:35:31.280
the attached decoys you know all of
0:35:29.599,0:35:33.680
those things comes up it comes with a
0:35:31.280,0:35:36.720
rechargeable battery pack that's a great
0:35:33.680,0:35:39.200
unit right there got a nice remote
0:35:36.720,0:35:41.359
yeah the yeah it's a great remote i mean
0:35:39.200,0:35:44.079
my preference on the remote is the
0:35:41.359,0:35:45.359
tx1000 but i'm a more advanced predator
0:35:44.079,0:35:48.560
hunter than some of these other guys
0:35:45.359,0:35:50.960
they don't until somebody really gets in
0:35:48.560,0:35:52.960
and uses it they don't appreciate all of
0:35:50.960,0:35:54.400
the features that some of these students
0:35:52.960,0:35:56.960
have any even some of the diehard
0:35:54.400,0:35:58.800
predator hunters i know today they're
0:35:56.960,0:36:00.560
not feature oriented they don't really
0:35:58.800,0:36:03.440
care about the features right right
0:36:00.560,0:36:05.920
there there is such a wide gamut of
0:36:03.440,0:36:08.240
the hot buttons for specific uh predator
0:36:05.920,0:36:11.040
hunters some guys are driven nothing but
0:36:08.240,0:36:13.760
volume they want the loudest volume that
0:36:11.040,0:36:15.520
you can get others are concerned with
0:36:13.760,0:36:16.880
portability they want to be able to put
0:36:15.520,0:36:18.800
it in their pack
0:36:16.880,0:36:20.000
to carry with them so they're not you
0:36:18.800,0:36:22.160
know breaking their back whenever
0:36:20.000,0:36:24.000
they're taking it out into the field and
0:36:22.160,0:36:26.800
others only care about features i mean
0:36:24.000,0:36:29.119
there's just so many triggers on people
0:36:26.800,0:36:32.400
that you can't have a one call does it
0:36:29.119,0:36:33.920
all you just you you just can't and
0:36:32.400,0:36:35.520
i have to apologize everybody out there
0:36:33.920,0:36:38.000
too i just mentioned was talking about
0:36:35.520,0:36:39.760
the hammer jack and was talking about i
0:36:38.000,0:36:41.440
said it had a rechargeable battery pack
0:36:39.760,0:36:43.280
to come with it i was i'm wrong there's
0:36:41.440,0:36:45.599
that's the hijack
0:36:43.280,0:36:47.760
that's the high project hijack i was
0:36:45.599,0:36:50.240
going to correct you
0:36:47.760,0:36:52.480
with the lithium battery and the hijack
0:36:50.240,0:36:55.280
is a great i don't think until people
0:36:52.480,0:36:58.000
listen to that so that hijack is
0:36:55.280,0:37:00.240
basically a portable call like the the
0:36:58.000,0:37:03.119
the spitfire the uh the
0:37:00.240,0:37:06.320
patriot in the inferno very portable but
0:37:03.119,0:37:08.240
yet it's got a ton of volume because we
0:37:06.320,0:37:11.680
put a lithium battery in it larger
0:37:08.240,0:37:13.440
amplifiers that thing will scream i mean
0:37:11.680,0:37:16.079
obviously it's not going to get as loud
0:37:13.440,0:37:18.240
as some of the bigger speaker units but
0:37:16.079,0:37:19.920
that thing is important
0:37:18.240,0:37:21.920
it will surprise you actually ran that
0:37:19.920,0:37:24.480
call some back this past winter in late
0:37:21.920,0:37:26.800
winter like in february and called had
0:37:24.480,0:37:29.280
some really dynamite uh stands with it
0:37:26.800,0:37:31.440
had some really good call ins that unit
0:37:29.280,0:37:32.880
is small you can literally stick that
0:37:31.440,0:37:35.280
thing in a jacket pocket like we were
0:37:32.880,0:37:37.839
talking about earlier it has a decoy on
0:37:35.280,0:37:41.040
it has has a really nice remote it kind
0:37:37.839,0:37:42.400
of has a it's a it's a tx 1000 right it
0:37:41.040,0:37:45.920
just has something yeah that comes with
0:37:42.400,0:37:49.599
the tx 1000 yes has has the rechargeable
0:37:45.920,0:37:52.560
battery pack and that unit is super
0:37:49.599,0:37:53.760
super united i mean if mike if you told
0:37:52.560,0:37:55.520
me that
0:37:53.760,0:37:57.359
you said john i want you to use this
0:37:55.520,0:37:59.359
hijack for this year you can't use any
0:37:57.359,0:38:01.440
other unit i'd be totally fine with that
0:37:59.359,0:38:04.560
because it is awesome it's just a great
0:38:01.440,0:38:07.119
little unit it really is
0:38:04.560,0:38:09.520
it is it's an awesome unit great compact
0:38:07.119,0:38:11.760
unit again it's one of those items that
0:38:09.520,0:38:13.440
a guy that wants features in volume but
0:38:11.760,0:38:16.400
portability
0:38:13.440,0:38:18.640
check we've got it you know what i mean
0:38:16.400,0:38:21.920
whatever you what whatever it is you
0:38:18.640,0:38:22.720
think you may want uh we probably have i
0:38:21.920,0:38:23.760
mean
0:38:22.720,0:38:25.680
i
0:38:23.760,0:38:28.480
the predator hunting industry is the one
0:38:25.680,0:38:30.640
that we obviously cater to so we're
0:38:28.480,0:38:33.359
going to make sure that we are able to
0:38:30.640,0:38:36.160
put out all kinds of different products
0:38:33.359,0:38:37.920
to reach each style of predator hunter
0:38:36.160,0:38:40.640
out there right right so we talked about
0:38:37.920,0:38:42.720
the patriot inferno hammer jack
0:38:40.640,0:38:44.640
which does not come with a rechargeable
0:38:42.720,0:38:46.960
battery pack i misspoke on it's the
0:38:44.640,0:38:49.280
hijack the hijack's a great unit now
0:38:46.960,0:38:51.599
we've got the x series right or if i
0:38:49.280,0:38:54.720
left to call out mike no the well you
0:38:51.599,0:38:55.839
got the yeah no the the x series are the
0:38:54.720,0:38:58.000
latest
0:38:55.839,0:39:00.880
uh units that we have brought out and
0:38:58.000,0:39:02.800
that x series is a great line i mean
0:39:00.880,0:39:06.240
obviously when you
0:39:02.800,0:39:08.880
look very quickly at the x1 the x24 the
0:39:06.240,0:39:11.200
x2s you're going to see the same speaker
0:39:08.880,0:39:13.839
it's a larger speaker
0:39:11.200,0:39:16.320
than what we have used before in some of
0:39:13.839,0:39:19.680
the other units we had units that were
0:39:16.320,0:39:21.760
very similar in the past like the ces 24
0:39:19.680,0:39:23.760
you know and people that the die-hard
0:39:21.760,0:39:26.400
predator hunters love those units
0:39:23.760,0:39:29.280
because they were they they were very
0:39:26.400,0:39:34.000
loud with that larger speaker right and
0:39:29.280,0:39:36.960
and that's what that was the the um
0:39:34.000,0:39:40.000
the idea that sparked that x series was
0:39:36.960,0:39:42.400
taking that ces 24 and
0:39:40.000,0:39:44.880
evolutionizing it as well giving it a
0:39:42.400,0:39:47.359
modern spin you know putting better
0:39:44.880,0:39:49.200
drivers and stuff in it giving it the
0:39:47.359,0:39:52.079
legs that allow you to get it off the
0:39:49.200,0:39:54.640
ground including the lithium batteries
0:39:52.079,0:39:56.480
with them so when you look at the you
0:39:54.640,0:39:59.920
know that line of units again you got
0:39:56.480,0:40:03.040
the x1 the x24 the x2s utilizing the
0:39:59.920,0:40:06.000
same speakers and horns and drivers you
0:40:03.040,0:40:07.839
know it it they're all great audio
0:40:06.000,0:40:09.680
producing units
0:40:07.839,0:40:11.280
they all have you'll notice on the front
0:40:09.680,0:40:14.880
of them they got the tweeter built right
0:40:11.280,0:40:17.760
in though the horns that we are using in
0:40:14.880,0:40:19.920
those units are horns that have a wider
0:40:17.760,0:40:21.599
frequency frequency response than some
0:40:19.920,0:40:23.599
of the other horns that we smaller horns
0:40:21.599,0:40:25.200
that we have used before but now you
0:40:23.599,0:40:27.280
still add the high-end frequency
0:40:25.200,0:40:29.280
response by adding those tweeters right
0:40:27.280,0:40:31.359
in the center cone of all of those units
0:40:29.280,0:40:34.240
so it they're just they're an awesome
0:40:31.359,0:40:36.400
unit i love the new x series again being
0:40:34.240,0:40:38.960
able to get it elevated off the ground
0:40:36.400,0:40:40.960
was huge because not only does that help
0:40:38.960,0:40:42.560
with your sound dispersion but that's
0:40:40.960,0:40:43.920
also going to help with your remote
0:40:42.560,0:40:45.839
operation
0:40:43.920,0:40:47.920
and and that's true with any unit if you
0:40:45.839,0:40:50.480
get any kind of elevation on any unit
0:40:47.920,0:40:52.400
that uses a remote you will get a better
0:40:50.480,0:40:53.839
remote control response from it as well
0:40:52.400,0:40:56.160
right right
0:40:53.839,0:40:58.800
well that kind of covers the the
0:40:56.160,0:41:01.440
evolution of uh calls from start to
0:40:58.800,0:41:03.280
where we're at today uh i got another
0:41:01.440,0:41:04.880
question here for you mike and it goes
0:41:03.280,0:41:07.920
with the company here uh
0:41:04.880,0:41:10.000
number one in customer service what does
0:41:07.920,0:41:13.839
that what does that mean you mike
0:41:10.000,0:41:16.400
that means so much to me uh
0:41:13.839,0:41:18.160
and to everyone at foxpro so
0:41:16.400,0:41:20.079
one of the things that i said very early
0:41:18.160,0:41:21.920
on one of the things that we've always
0:41:20.079,0:41:24.880
done with our customers is we've always
0:41:21.920,0:41:27.520
taken care of that customer first
0:41:24.880,0:41:30.160
as companies historically get bigger
0:41:27.520,0:41:32.240
they tend to forget those things
0:41:30.160,0:41:34.240
that propelled them to where they're at
0:41:32.240,0:41:35.760
and usually it's by providing good
0:41:34.240,0:41:38.319
customer service that's one of the
0:41:35.760,0:41:40.160
things that i pride myself on pride the
0:41:38.319,0:41:42.640
company on that
0:41:40.160,0:41:44.319
we didn't forget the customer along the
0:41:42.640,0:41:46.400
way you know we're listening to those
0:41:44.319,0:41:48.240
customers not only today with the
0:41:46.400,0:41:49.760
evolution of the products taking all of
0:41:48.240,0:41:51.280
their feedback and making sure that
0:41:49.760,0:41:52.960
we're coming out with the products but
0:41:51.280,0:41:55.760
we're also making sure we got their
0:41:52.960,0:41:57.599
backs by standing behind these units for
0:41:55.760,0:42:00.560
them going out of our way to make sure
0:41:57.599,0:42:02.160
that every customer is a happy customer
0:42:00.560,0:42:03.280
and you're not always going to do that
0:42:02.160,0:42:05.119
there's always you're talking
0:42:03.280,0:42:07.520
electronics you're going to have
0:42:05.119,0:42:09.599
issues right but it's how you take care
0:42:07.520,0:42:12.160
of that customer and how you take care
0:42:09.599,0:42:14.000
of that issue and that does mean so much
0:42:12.160,0:42:16.800
to me the customer service has been near
0:42:14.000,0:42:19.680
and dear to me for so long
0:42:16.800,0:42:21.440
awesome stuff mike i got a couple maybe
0:42:19.680,0:42:24.000
three or four quick hit questions for
0:42:21.440,0:42:26.400
you here before we wrap everything up
0:42:24.000,0:42:31.040
what is your favorite
0:42:26.400,0:42:34.560
fox pro unit of all time
0:42:31.040,0:42:37.280
oh john uh see each one for me it's
0:42:34.560,0:42:41.040
different than you right so they're all
0:42:37.280,0:42:41.040
your they're all your babies so
0:42:42.240,0:42:47.200
each one i would say for a different
0:42:44.800,0:42:48.720
reason right like if i'm the predator
0:42:47.200,0:42:51.200
hunter i'm gonna pick the one that may
0:42:48.720,0:42:53.599
be the most successful or maybe
0:42:51.200,0:42:56.000
uh uh uh maybe makes me a better
0:42:53.599,0:42:57.440
predator or whatever it is you know i
0:42:56.000,0:42:59.280
could see how they would pick their
0:42:57.440,0:43:01.760
favorites from there but for me
0:42:59.280,0:43:04.079
it may have a lot to do with how it
0:43:01.760,0:43:04.960
changed the company you know so i would
0:43:04.079,0:43:07.200
say
0:43:04.960,0:43:10.319
one of my personal favorites still today
0:43:07.200,0:43:12.720
for that reason is the fx3 that was a
0:43:10.319,0:43:15.280
big big jump in the fox pro company
0:43:12.720,0:43:18.720
history is that fx3 then it would
0:43:15.280,0:43:22.319
probably be followed by units like the
0:43:18.720,0:43:23.440
uh shockwave but then also taking those
0:43:22.319,0:43:26.480
original
0:43:23.440,0:43:29.280
wire wildfires in spitfires that we were
0:43:26.480,0:43:30.560
able to offer for under 200. with more
0:43:29.280,0:43:33.599
features than the units that we were
0:43:30.560,0:43:36.240
selling for 600. and that was
0:43:33.599,0:43:37.119
those units meant a lot to me because
0:43:36.240,0:43:39.359
of
0:43:37.119,0:43:41.359
what they meant for the company right
0:43:39.359,0:43:42.880
well let me ask you this question then
0:43:41.359,0:43:44.640
because that's really good stuff and i
0:43:42.880,0:43:46.480
think it's a great answer i like i
0:43:44.640,0:43:48.640
thought it was really cool cool to hear
0:43:46.480,0:43:50.240
how how you did answer that because i
0:43:48.640,0:43:52.400
can definitely see where you're coming
0:43:50.240,0:43:53.760
from uh but let's let's take a little
0:43:52.400,0:43:55.599
step further and say you mean you're
0:43:53.760,0:43:57.440
going to go hunting this weekend
0:43:55.599,0:44:01.599
uh what call you're taking
0:43:57.440,0:44:04.560
um i like the x2s all right so the x2s
0:44:01.599,0:44:07.200
is my call and what i like about the x2s
0:44:04.560,0:44:08.720
and and i get that the x2s is more than
0:44:07.200,0:44:12.079
the x24
0:44:08.720,0:44:14.319
the x2s has that fox fusion has that
0:44:12.079,0:44:16.560
ability to play those two sounds at once
0:44:14.319,0:44:19.760
which mean a lot to me i like being able
0:44:16.560,0:44:21.599
to create scenarios you know not only am
0:44:19.760,0:44:22.960
i going to play that rabbit distress but
0:44:21.599,0:44:25.040
guess what i'm playing that rabbit
0:44:22.960,0:44:27.520
distress and i'm going to slowly bring
0:44:25.040,0:44:31.040
up a coyote growling or add some coyote
0:44:27.520,0:44:32.960
barks to add more realism to that stand
0:44:31.040,0:44:35.839
you know and if i don't have those
0:44:32.960,0:44:37.760
sounds created as a single file you're
0:44:35.839,0:44:38.800
never going to be able to to duplicate
0:44:37.760,0:44:40.800
that
0:44:38.800,0:44:42.640
definitely a really cool feature that i
0:44:40.800,0:44:43.680
don't think a lot of people i should say
0:44:42.640,0:44:45.599
a lot of people i think there's some
0:44:43.680,0:44:47.599
people out there that don't realize how
0:44:45.599,0:44:49.200
grave a feature that is and don't take
0:44:47.599,0:44:51.520
advantage of it because just stuff like
0:44:49.200,0:44:53.680
mike said you can actually you know if
0:44:51.520,0:44:55.920
you're wanting a some type of say a
0:44:53.680,0:44:58.160
coyote fight that you do not have you
0:44:55.920,0:45:00.720
can take coyote grouse and pup
0:44:58.160,0:45:03.040
distresses play those two sounds at once
0:45:00.720,0:45:05.599
and guess what you've got a coyote fight
0:45:03.040,0:45:08.160
you can play a [ __ ] fight with with
0:45:05.599,0:45:11.040
coyote growls and coyote pup distresses
0:45:08.160,0:45:12.720
and you've got a a raccoon and a and a
0:45:11.040,0:45:14.000
coyote fight i mean just so many
0:45:12.720,0:45:15.920
different things that you know you play
0:45:14.000,0:45:17.520
two different rabbits at the same time
0:45:15.920,0:45:19.440
i'll see and that's one thing i was like
0:45:17.520,0:45:21.280
a lot of times i'll play a baby rabbit
0:45:19.440,0:45:23.520
and then i'll bring in another rabbit to
0:45:21.280,0:45:26.079
it or maybe i play two different rabbits
0:45:23.520,0:45:28.240
all together or maybe i decide to play a
0:45:26.079,0:45:30.000
rabbit and a woodpecker distress just to
0:45:28.240,0:45:31.599
give something different that these
0:45:30.000,0:45:33.839
coyotes haven't heard before these
0:45:31.599,0:45:36.079
educated cows that that they haven't
0:45:33.839,0:45:38.720
heard give them a new kind of sound you
0:45:36.079,0:45:40.480
know all together and there is no other
0:45:38.720,0:45:42.240
feature out there that you could do that
0:45:40.480,0:45:44.319
better with than fox fusion right so
0:45:42.240,0:45:46.800
they actually control actually control
0:45:44.319,0:45:49.040
the volume levels of each sound
0:45:46.800,0:45:51.520
absolutely you have independent volume
0:45:49.040,0:45:54.000
control of each individual sound as
0:45:51.520,0:45:55.680
you're using that fox fusion so you know
0:45:54.000,0:45:57.520
like in that scenario where i play a
0:45:55.680,0:45:59.520
rabbit and i start it low and i bring it
0:45:57.520,0:46:01.280
up then i bring some of those growls in
0:45:59.520,0:46:03.280
and i start low and i bring that volume
0:46:01.280,0:46:05.839
up i can do just the opposite i can go
0:46:03.280,0:46:07.520
as that growl is loud and that rabbit is
0:46:05.839,0:46:09.359
soft i can go make that rabbit loud and
0:46:07.520,0:46:11.839
the grouse soft i could just switch them
0:46:09.359,0:46:13.680
around all the time so complete
0:46:11.839,0:46:15.680
versatility of playing two sounds at
0:46:13.680,0:46:19.920
once and that's why i still think my
0:46:15.680,0:46:23.200
go-to unit is the x2s i get the x24 it's
0:46:19.920,0:46:26.560
a true 24-bit unit and for those guys
0:46:23.200,0:46:30.319
that want the ultimate in audio quality
0:46:26.560,0:46:32.960
it's the x24 i mean it's the x24 hands
0:46:30.319,0:46:33.760
down is a much better unit but i also
0:46:32.960,0:46:36.160
know
0:46:33.760,0:46:38.800
that these coyotes
0:46:36.160,0:46:40.800
they were coming in years ago those
0:46:38.800,0:46:41.839
record players and things like that
0:46:40.800,0:46:44.319
right
0:46:41.839,0:46:45.760
16-bit sounds you know what i mean like
0:46:44.319,0:46:47.839
they're coming into those sounds they're
0:46:45.760,0:46:48.800
responding to those steps and you know
0:46:47.839,0:46:51.119
yeah
0:46:48.800,0:46:54.000
comparing the two units you know saying
0:46:51.119,0:46:56.160
that the x-24 is better it it
0:46:54.000,0:46:57.599
for some people it may be better but for
0:46:56.160,0:46:59.520
other people like say for me for
0:46:57.599,0:47:01.599
instance i like to i like both units i
0:46:59.520,0:47:04.480
use both of them quite a bit but i tend
0:47:01.599,0:47:07.520
to grab the x24 more just because of my
0:47:04.480,0:47:10.240
style of calling but rike is saying he
0:47:07.520,0:47:12.160
he actually grabs x2s more because of
0:47:10.240,0:47:14.160
his style he likes to mix those sounds
0:47:12.160,0:47:16.240
more often and plus with the x2s you
0:47:14.160,0:47:18.319
also have uh the bluetooth feature as
0:47:16.240,0:47:20.960
well i think it's worth it that's right
0:47:18.319,0:47:23.200
not obviously on a stand i don't use
0:47:20.960,0:47:25.520
that bluetooth feature much i mean
0:47:23.200,0:47:27.520
what's cool about that bluetooth if i
0:47:25.520,0:47:29.920
got my unit with me and i'm on a trip
0:47:27.520,0:47:32.000
somewhere and i need to use an external
0:47:29.920,0:47:34.079
speaker for listening to the music on my
0:47:32.000,0:47:36.960
phone guess what i bluetooth it right to
0:47:34.079,0:47:39.440
the x2s and there i've got a a unit that
0:47:36.960,0:47:41.119
a portable jukebox right there there you
0:47:39.440,0:47:42.400
go you know portable external speaker
0:47:41.119,0:47:44.880
right there so
0:47:42.400,0:47:46.880
it's it's a multi-win for me well mike
0:47:44.880,0:47:48.720
tell us about uh you know we're going
0:47:46.880,0:47:50.240
hunting this weekend you know just
0:47:48.720,0:47:52.319
theoretically i wish we was going
0:47:50.240,0:47:55.040
hunting this weekend
0:47:52.319,0:47:57.440
you've got your x2s out there
0:47:55.040,0:47:59.200
what's your top three sounds tell us
0:47:57.440,0:48:00.880
what your top three sounds of all time
0:47:59.200,0:48:03.520
that you've had so much success with
0:48:00.880,0:48:05.839
because you know mark mike guys mike has
0:48:03.520,0:48:07.680
done it all he's hunted from the east
0:48:05.839,0:48:09.040
coast to the west coast he's been up
0:48:07.680,0:48:11.760
north he's been down south he's
0:48:09.040,0:48:16.480
literally done it all he's called in
0:48:11.760,0:48:19.200
man what coyotes bobcats foxes
0:48:16.480,0:48:21.280
my goal is to shoot a coyote in every
0:48:19.200,0:48:23.599
state that has them so there's 49 states
0:48:21.280,0:48:25.040
that have them my goal is to get one in
0:48:23.599,0:48:27.200
every state and i'm going to hit that
0:48:25.040,0:48:29.680
goal it's just a matter of when but you
0:48:27.200,0:48:32.000
know you're asking a very very loaded
0:48:29.680,0:48:32.000
question
0:48:32.640,0:48:37.359
top three
0:48:34.960,0:48:39.680
okay what time of the year i mean
0:48:37.359,0:48:41.680
if i'm going this time of the year i'm
0:48:39.680,0:48:44.160
probably going to be using some more
0:48:41.680,0:48:45.680
coyote vocals even still now i mean i'm
0:48:44.160,0:48:49.280
going to i mean you're getting to be
0:48:45.680,0:48:51.119
awesome let's do uh let's do fall let's
0:48:49.280,0:48:53.359
do like november
0:48:51.119,0:48:54.720
uh november through
0:48:53.359,0:48:56.720
mid-december
0:48:54.720,0:48:57.520
all right well i can tell you uh that
0:48:56.720,0:48:59.280
that's
0:48:57.520,0:49:01.040
two right off the top of my head
0:48:59.280,0:49:03.920
lightning jack coyote puppet stress
0:49:01.040,0:49:04.880
number three you know those two by far
0:49:03.920,0:49:07.440
but
0:49:04.880,0:49:10.480
here on the east coast i would also have
0:49:07.440,0:49:12.800
to add in that baby cottontail the
0:49:10.480,0:49:15.599
b-a-y-b-e-e
0:49:12.800,0:49:18.000
cottontail there is just something about
0:49:15.599,0:49:20.480
that sound that is
0:49:18.000,0:49:22.640
when you start to play it
0:49:20.480,0:49:24.000
you get in that mode where you're you're
0:49:22.640,0:49:25.920
you know you're you're going flip it
0:49:24.000,0:49:28.640
you're looking harder you're getting
0:49:25.920,0:49:30.559
ready for the shot that's right so hey
0:49:28.640,0:49:32.640
that's pretty good sounds you got baby
0:49:30.559,0:49:35.520
cottontail cottontail distress sound you
0:49:32.640,0:49:38.240
got lightning jack which is a which is a
0:49:35.520,0:49:41.280
awesome jackrabbit sound and of course
0:49:38.240,0:49:43.040
uh the infamous the legendary pup
0:49:41.280,0:49:45.839
distress number three and i
0:49:43.040,0:49:47.440
i would say probably those
0:49:45.839,0:49:50.160
three sounds
0:49:47.440,0:49:51.280
arguably are probably in the top five of
0:49:50.160,0:49:53.119
all times
0:49:51.280,0:49:54.960
what sounds have actually caught into
0:49:53.119,0:49:56.880
most coyotes across the country oh i
0:49:54.960,0:49:58.400
would have to say so too as long as they
0:49:56.880,0:50:00.319
have been out as long as they have been
0:49:58.400,0:50:02.880
used and as many people that have used
0:50:00.319,0:50:04.480
them absolutely you know and and that's
0:50:02.880,0:50:05.680
one thing too a lot of people are like
0:50:04.480,0:50:07.839
well you know we can't use that
0:50:05.680,0:50:10.240
lightning jack anymore because oh
0:50:07.839,0:50:11.520
they're educated to that sound here's
0:50:10.240,0:50:13.920
here's one thing i want to tell
0:50:11.520,0:50:16.160
everybody out there listening today
0:50:13.920,0:50:17.520
if you are playing a rabbit sound i
0:50:16.160,0:50:18.880
don't care if it's lightning jack i
0:50:17.520,0:50:21.520
don't call it whatever rabbit sound you
0:50:18.880,0:50:23.839
want and you educate a coyote to that
0:50:21.520,0:50:26.079
sound guess what you've done
0:50:23.839,0:50:27.520
you have educated that coyote to every
0:50:26.079,0:50:29.920
single rabbit distressed sounds like
0:50:27.520,0:50:32.720
that not that lightning jack he's
0:50:29.920,0:50:34.559
educated to every single sound out there
0:50:32.720,0:50:35.520
so you know they say oh we can't use
0:50:34.559,0:50:37.520
that sound again because they're
0:50:35.520,0:50:39.359
educated in that sound that's right true
0:50:37.520,0:50:40.880
that is that that that is something that
0:50:39.359,0:50:42.800
i've heard for so many years that have
0:50:40.880,0:50:44.720
drive that drives me crazy when i hear
0:50:42.800,0:50:47.280
that they're educated to every sound
0:50:44.720,0:50:49.040
trust me lightning jack still definitely
0:50:47.280,0:50:50.000
works we actually i actually used that
0:50:49.040,0:50:51.680
sound
0:50:50.000,0:50:53.520
i kind of went away from it you know we
0:50:51.680,0:50:55.680
had new sounds mike you know we got
0:50:53.520,0:50:57.680
great sounds like mr mc cottontail mrs
0:50:55.680,0:50:59.359
mc cottontail all these new
0:50:57.680,0:51:01.040
rabbit sounds we come out with a couple
0:50:59.359,0:51:02.880
years ago so i was really running them
0:51:01.040,0:51:04.800
through their paces well this past
0:51:02.880,0:51:06.240
winter you know i said you know maybe i
0:51:04.800,0:51:09.280
need to start touching back on some of
0:51:06.240,0:51:11.760
these older sounds that used to produce
0:51:09.280,0:51:13.520
so well for me and and start mixing them
0:51:11.760,0:51:15.599
back in well guess what
0:51:13.520,0:51:17.920
just dynamic calls them with lightning
0:51:15.599,0:51:19.359
jack called in a bobcat this past winter
0:51:17.920,0:51:22.160
right here in kentucky with lightning
0:51:19.359,0:51:24.400
jack called in numerous coyotes and if
0:51:22.160,0:51:26.880
you guys don't believe me go to foxpro
0:51:24.400,0:51:28.400
hunting tv you can watch it on roku
0:51:26.880,0:51:30.960
carbon tv
0:51:28.400,0:51:32.640
youtube mo tv you can see all those
0:51:30.960,0:51:34.559
hunts these coyotes come charged in the
0:51:32.640,0:51:37.280
lightning jack just like they did when
0:51:34.559,0:51:39.119
the sound was first introduced i mean
0:51:37.280,0:51:40.960
it's a great sound
0:51:39.119,0:51:42.319
well and i think we've got with all of
0:51:40.960,0:51:43.920
the sounds that we have in the library
0:51:42.319,0:51:45.359
the thing is that these predator hunters
0:51:43.920,0:51:46.960
do anymore they're going and they're
0:51:45.359,0:51:49.040
asking everybody what's your go-to
0:51:46.960,0:51:51.040
sounds right right and
0:51:49.040,0:51:53.040
you know sounds that have been popular
0:51:51.040,0:51:55.599
like lightning jack i think it got
0:51:53.040,0:51:57.839
popular very early on but
0:51:55.599,0:52:00.079
let's say it was you know we've got so
0:51:57.839,0:52:03.280
many so many awesome rabbit sounds
0:52:00.079,0:52:05.599
snowshoe and distress snowshoe hp oh man
0:52:03.280,0:52:07.359
you know if if that sound if people
0:52:05.599,0:52:09.040
really started talking about that sound
0:52:07.359,0:52:10.880
i guarantee it that that sound would
0:52:09.040,0:52:12.880
have just as much success as everybody
0:52:10.880,0:52:15.599
else with lightning jack because they're
0:52:12.880,0:52:16.319
following what people are suggesting
0:52:15.599,0:52:18.240
so
0:52:16.319,0:52:20.079
lightning jack was suggested early on
0:52:18.240,0:52:21.280
and then everybody just started using it
0:52:20.079,0:52:23.040
you know how it is john when you start
0:52:21.280,0:52:25.680
using the sound you get success you
0:52:23.040,0:52:27.599
stick with the same sounds yep yep
0:52:25.680,0:52:29.200
and then you don't start having success
0:52:27.599,0:52:31.040
you blame the sounds you know you know
0:52:29.200,0:52:32.960
that sounds like this is the cause
0:52:31.040,0:52:34.480
that's not that's not always the case
0:52:32.960,0:52:36.160
that's that's not the case at all and
0:52:34.480,0:52:38.240
you're right there's so many good rabbit
0:52:36.160,0:52:40.480
sounds that we have you know i've called
0:52:38.240,0:52:42.480
in so many coyotes and bobcats and foxes
0:52:40.480,0:52:45.680
i mean just baby cottontail baby
0:52:42.480,0:52:47.680
cottontail two dsg cottontail adult
0:52:45.680,0:52:49.359
cottontail all the snowshoe hair sounds
0:52:47.680,0:52:52.559
you just talking about snowshoe hair one
0:52:49.359,0:52:54.319
snowshoe hair two three hp
0:52:52.559,0:52:56.640
jackrabbit distress like i mean just
0:52:54.319,0:52:59.440
keep going on and of course the newer
0:52:56.640,0:53:01.040
sounds mr mc cottontail mrs mc mccontell
0:52:59.440,0:53:03.280
which i've been saying for the last
0:53:01.040,0:53:04.240
couple years that i think may be the
0:53:03.280,0:53:07.280
single
0:53:04.240,0:53:09.680
best bobcat calling sound
0:53:07.280,0:53:11.760
ever recorded i mean it's well
0:53:09.680,0:53:14.160
and again here's what i'll say to that
0:53:11.760,0:53:16.160
do you know why you say that because you
0:53:14.160,0:53:18.079
like that sound yeah so when you're on a
0:53:16.160,0:53:20.240
bobcat stand guess what you're using
0:53:18.079,0:53:21.760
you're using that sound exactly so every
0:53:20.240,0:53:23.599
time you see a coyote coming into that
0:53:21.760,0:53:25.040
sound it's like oh that sound is awesome
0:53:23.599,0:53:26.880
if you would have tried another sound
0:53:25.040,0:53:29.119
and you called it it came right in yeah
0:53:26.880,0:53:30.400
exactly right yep that's right i was
0:53:29.119,0:53:32.960
talking with you know i was talking with
0:53:30.400,0:53:35.359
corey groff uh not too long ago we just
0:53:32.960,0:53:37.760
released that podcast great podcast
0:53:35.359,0:53:39.839
corey groff is in missouri
0:53:37.760,0:53:42.559
excellent excellent coyote hunter
0:53:39.839,0:53:44.960
corey's such a good dude
0:53:42.559,0:53:46.640
such a great staffer for us and we were
0:53:44.960,0:53:49.040
actually talking said you know
0:53:46.640,0:53:51.200
if if we think we've got a bobcat and a
0:53:49.040,0:53:52.800
thicket out in front of us two sounds
0:53:51.200,0:53:54.400
that we're going to play because we've
0:53:52.800,0:53:58.079
had so much success with them in the
0:53:54.400,0:54:01.119
past on cats is cagey cottontail and mrs
0:53:58.079,0:54:03.680
mccott and tail and and we feel free to
0:54:01.119,0:54:06.319
tell you guys this because mike i think
0:54:03.680,0:54:07.760
i'm speaking for both of us here
0:54:06.319,0:54:10.079
we want to see
0:54:07.760,0:54:11.680
guys out there be successful we don't
0:54:10.079,0:54:14.000
have absolutely sounds we're going to
0:54:11.680,0:54:15.599
tell you what we think our secret sounds
0:54:14.000,0:54:18.319
are because we want to see you guys be
0:54:15.599,0:54:20.079
successful with our products
0:54:18.319,0:54:21.599
yeah and i think anybody that sells
0:54:20.079,0:54:23.200
sounds going to be that same way i mean
0:54:21.599,0:54:25.839
i know tory cook would be the same way
0:54:23.200,0:54:27.200
they've got an amazing sound library so
0:54:25.839,0:54:28.960
glad to be
0:54:27.200,0:54:30.480
uh in with those guys
0:54:28.960,0:54:32.240
he's going to tell you the same thing he
0:54:30.480,0:54:34.400
is going to tell you the sounds that are
0:54:32.240,0:54:36.880
going to produce for you right because
0:54:34.400,0:54:39.359
he wants you to be successful with those
0:54:36.880,0:54:41.040
sounds no doubt we're talking about all
0:54:39.359,0:54:42.240
these sounds mike you talked about your
0:54:41.040,0:54:44.799
top three
0:54:42.240,0:54:47.280
what if uh what if i challenged you to
0:54:44.799,0:54:49.200
go out and we'll we'll use the same time
0:54:47.280,0:54:50.960
frame november december you know late
0:54:49.200,0:54:53.440
fall early winter coyote stand i
0:54:50.960,0:54:54.880
challenge you to go out was whichever
0:54:53.440,0:54:58.319
unit you wanted to choose you're taking
0:54:54.880,0:55:00.880
your x2s or or whatever and i said you
0:54:58.319,0:55:02.880
could only have one sound on that call
0:55:00.880,0:55:04.559
what sound are you going to take to make
0:55:02.880,0:55:07.040
sure you can call in a coyote just one
0:55:04.559,0:55:09.280
sound he can only pick one wait one
0:55:07.040,0:55:10.960
sound for coyote only for coyote we're
0:55:09.280,0:55:13.280
talking about coyotes coyote pup
0:55:10.960,0:55:15.680
distress number three awesome awesome
0:55:13.280,0:55:17.839
sam pop distress number three one sound
0:55:15.680,0:55:20.079
no distress that time of year any time
0:55:17.839,0:55:21.760
of the year you give me one sound any
0:55:20.079,0:55:24.559
time of the year to use pop to stress
0:55:21.760,0:55:25.760
number three awesome great great i would
0:55:24.559,0:55:27.920
totally agree with you all right let me
0:55:25.760,0:55:29.760
ask you this then what one sound would
0:55:27.920,0:55:32.240
you pick if you were going to an area
0:55:29.760,0:55:33.680
where you could call in coyotes
0:55:32.240,0:55:36.720
fox
0:55:33.680,0:55:36.720
and bobcat
0:55:36.799,0:55:42.480
coyotes fox and bobcat
0:55:40.799,0:55:44.559
and you wanted to kill kill them all you
0:55:42.480,0:55:46.160
know you want to call all of them in it
0:55:44.559,0:55:47.200
it's going to be a rabbit distress i can
0:55:46.160,0:55:50.160
tell you that it's going to be one of
0:55:47.200,0:55:52.720
our rabbit distresses and i'm yeah
0:55:50.160,0:55:54.799
one of the rap distresses that i like a
0:55:52.720,0:55:55.920
lot and you know people will be like i
0:55:54.799,0:55:58.720
don't have them in my area it doesn't
0:55:55.920,0:56:00.559
matter i have no idea snowshoe hp would
0:55:58.720,0:56:01.440
probably be the one rabbit that i would
0:56:00.559,0:56:03.200
pick
0:56:01.440,0:56:05.839
love that sub because it's a higher
0:56:03.200,0:56:07.359
pitch than that jack rabbit for the the
0:56:05.839,0:56:09.920
bobcats you know it's got the higher
0:56:07.359,0:56:12.559
pitched sound and i could show you two
0:56:09.920,0:56:14.000
cottontails that sound exactly
0:56:12.559,0:56:16.640
the same i could show you two
0:56:14.000,0:56:19.040
cottontails that sound exactly different
0:56:16.640,0:56:21.040
the opposite that snowshoe they don't
0:56:19.040,0:56:23.920
know that it's a snowshoe they just know
0:56:21.040,0:56:25.440
there's something in distress
0:56:23.920,0:56:27.680
if i i would use that anywhere in the
0:56:25.440,0:56:29.280
u.s yeah that's a that's a and guys
0:56:27.680,0:56:30.799
that's another sound right there that
0:56:29.280,0:56:31.760
had a lot of success with out of the
0:56:30.799,0:56:34.400
past
0:56:31.760,0:56:36.400
it's such a dynamic sound it it it
0:56:34.400,0:56:38.160
increases and decreases in volume
0:56:36.400,0:56:41.119
throughout the sequence it's got those
0:56:38.160,0:56:43.200
higher pitched stuff got those squalling
0:56:41.119,0:56:45.680
a few seconds of sound that come it's
0:56:43.200,0:56:47.680
just a great sound and it might
0:56:45.680,0:56:49.440
oh it's awesome i've used it for years
0:56:47.680,0:56:51.680
yeah i love that sounds
0:56:49.440,0:56:53.119
and the reason i chose that one again is
0:56:51.680,0:56:56.640
because you said
0:56:53.119,0:56:58.160
coyotes bobcat and fox yes bobcats tend
0:56:56.640,0:57:00.079
to like those higher pitched sound and
0:56:58.160,0:57:01.920
the snowshoeing skis got a little bit of
0:57:00.079,0:57:03.760
a higher pitch sound to it than
0:57:01.920,0:57:06.079
the lightning jack or jackrabbit
0:57:03.760,0:57:07.920
distress or you know baby cottontail any
0:57:06.079,0:57:10.000
of those baby cottontail would have been
0:57:07.920,0:57:12.000
that was that was close but it was going
0:57:10.000,0:57:14.000
to be snowshoe hp because i could
0:57:12.000,0:57:16.319
broadcast it louder too than the baby
0:57:14.000,0:57:18.000
cuts i think that's an absolute great
0:57:16.319,0:57:19.040
choice well we've been uh we've been on
0:57:18.000,0:57:21.280
here for quite a while we've almost
0:57:19.040,0:57:23.119
talked for an hour mike must be uh wow
0:57:21.280,0:57:23.839
that's pretty pretty good i'd like you
0:57:23.119,0:57:25.839
know
0:57:23.839,0:57:27.760
about time to start closing out and you
0:57:25.839,0:57:30.240
know i'd like to say thanks to everyone
0:57:27.760,0:57:31.280
out there who runs foxpro game calls
0:57:30.240,0:57:32.880
mike
0:57:31.280,0:57:34.160
huge thanks to you for everything that
0:57:32.880,0:57:35.440
you've done for me
0:57:34.160,0:57:37.359
everything you've done for predator
0:57:35.440,0:57:38.960
hunters and everything you've done for
0:57:37.359,0:57:40.559
the predator hunting industry i really
0:57:38.960,0:57:43.119
appreciate it i know everybody else well
0:57:40.559,0:57:45.359
i i appreciate that john but i
0:57:43.119,0:57:47.520
appreciate you guys all you listeners
0:57:45.359,0:57:49.280
out there that have bought fox pros
0:57:47.520,0:57:51.119
thank you for your loyalty thank you for
0:57:49.280,0:57:52.799
your trust in our product and the trust
0:57:51.119,0:57:54.480
in the product name
0:57:52.799,0:57:58.640
and and know that we'll always have your
0:57:54.480,0:58:00.960
backs and you know we are still today
0:57:58.640,0:58:02.799
continuing to evolutionize uh
0:58:00.960,0:58:04.400
evolutionize this market we've got some
0:58:02.799,0:58:06.480
new stuff coming out can't say anything
0:58:04.400,0:58:08.559
now right but we've got some great new
0:58:06.480,0:58:11.200
products coming out here in in the
0:58:08.559,0:58:13.839
future that i think will set that
0:58:11.200,0:58:16.640
standard once again for uh the predator
0:58:13.839,0:58:18.480
market awesome good stuff mike we hope
0:58:16.640,0:58:19.920
everyone has enjoyed this episode and we
0:58:18.480,0:58:23.400
hope you join us again right here on the
0:58:19.920,0:58:23.400
foxpro podcast