FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Al Morris discuss the strategy used in Al's most recent coyote hunt that took place in New Mexico with Brian Trussell.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game
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calls hey guys and gals welcome back to
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the fox Pro podcast this is John Collins
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and we've got none other than Big Al
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Morris on the line how's it going Al
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good how are you John doing pretty good
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buddy you got back from a uh from a trip
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just a few days ago didn't you yeah no
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we were in Eastern New Mexico and I just
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want to give a shout out to you and
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everybody there that makes this podcast
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happen it's pretty exciting to see you
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guys break the top 10 top five in the
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wilderness uh podcast uh deal that's
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kind of a big deal John that you've
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taken a podcast from basically zero to
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uh the top five of the Wilderness
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podcast yeah it is pretty cool I you
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know I want to thank everybody that that
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Tunes in it seems like everybody's
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enjoying it and uh and that's the reason
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we do it we want you guys to enjoy this
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and I guess the most important thing is
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we want you guys to learn from it
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hopefully it is entertaining to you but
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we want this to be extremely educational
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um so thank you guys for tuning in thank
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you guys that that continue to tune in
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and you know this episode ain't going to
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be no different we're going to try to uh
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inform you guys what's been going on
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here lately and on this episode we're
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going to discuss uh what we've seen in
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the field while kyot calling over the
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last few weeks or last couple weeks uh
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Al just got back from a highly
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successful trip down in the southwest
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down in New Mexico and I've been hunting
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a little bit around here home in my home
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state of Kentucky and so what we're
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going to do is we're going to share with
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you all what we've seen out of the
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coyotes and how they've been calling and
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what sounds we've had the most success
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with um we might also touch briefly here
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towards the end on possible effects that
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moon phase and temperatures have on
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coyote movement and how they you know
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that might determine how they actually
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respond to the fox
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uh so we got a good one here for you
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guys I think you guys can can gather
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something from from that you know the
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breeding season is kind of starting to
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kick in right now time th this one hits
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we're going to be smack dabbing the
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middle of next six weeks is going to be
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critical and it's that nuggets
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information I think what sets our
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podcast apart is we're just not
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regurgitating uh random stuff we're
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regurgitating the stuff that I think the
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pure Predator Hunters uh are really
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interested in John so you know it was
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really cool I was down there in Mexico
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with Brian Trussell Brian Trussell
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killed his first gry fox in
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1977 I killed my first coyote in 1978
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I'm not sure how old Brian was he
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couldn't have been very old six or seven
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because I was 12 when in 1978 when I
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killed my first coyot so I've been doing
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it since 1978 that will date me a little
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yeah um I was born in
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80 so that just tells you that uh we've
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been doing this a long time but I you
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know what John I think the most exciting
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thing about being a predator Hunter is I
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never am afraid to learn something and I
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learned something new this week and it's
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awesome to say I'm 57 years old been
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hunting since 1978 coyotes and I learned
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something new and I want to share it
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with these people on this podcast
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awesome well that's like I said earlier
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that's what it's all about you know we
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want to we want to share uh the
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knowledge that that guys Hunters like
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you have Al with uh with everybody in
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the kyot Bobcat Fox you know the
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predator hunting world you know way I
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see it if you have a little bit of
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knowledge on something knowledge isn't
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worth much if you can't share it and uh
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that's what we're going to do today well
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everybody thinks they have a secret you
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know or these really Guys these guys
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that go out and Crush coyotes on a
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regular basis have a secret guess what
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they
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don't right yeah you know I've said this
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many of times you know uh you see a lot
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of questions popping up on Facebook
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Instagram our Tik Tok channel uh all
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these platforms that that we put content
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out on or you know and just just fall
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along with something like these cold
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hunting groups and stuff you see a lot
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of questions popping up like hey man
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what sounds are working right now or
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you'll see guys like man I'm having a
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horrible time I can't call in nothing
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right now having a lot of dry stands and
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they see a lot of success from videos
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and from other people's post and you
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know I I think these guys get wrapped up
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in they think they have to kill a Coy
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every single stand um you know I make no
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I make a lot of I make a lot of dry
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stands do you Al a lot I make more dry
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stands than I want to admit but at least
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I admit it and I miss a lot more coyotes
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than I want to admit but I shoot at a
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lot of coyot so right I I catch you see
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those comments you know he's the
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terrible shot well when you shoot at
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hundreds of coyotes a year you're going
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to miss a few and I don't mind if we
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show them on video it's not that big a
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deal to me because I know when I'm
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shooting at hundreds of coyotes I'm
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going to miss a percentage of those
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because we're talking about a small
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Target and you know what I'm getting
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older my eyes aren't the same my ears
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everything it's not the same for me as
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we grow and we age uh it's amazing to me
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how my body uh can let me down yeah see
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the difference with you and me Al is if
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I have some misses I make sure they
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don't get seen make sure they get cut
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out no you you you've showed a few but
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very few you shoot really well John
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Collins well let's let's get let's get
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to the thick of this thing how was uh
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how was New Mexico for you guys you know
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it was interesting to start out the
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first day last Tuesday was 25 35 M hour
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winds and I really you know it's we plan
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these trips months in advance so we kind
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of wanted to show the struggle you know
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I said we're going to film some of this
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and we're going to try real hard and the
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other thing was it was really cold we
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roll up on our first first stand and uh
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we get out of the truck it's 25 minimum
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and I'm like well we'll shorten the
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stands down we'll keep it I'm gonna play
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loud sounds so I started out with
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Lightning Jack and I played Lightning
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Jack for about five minutes and then I
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switched to woodpecker and that
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woodpecker is a really high pitched I
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think it pierces the wind really well
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and I had played woodpecker about a
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minute and a half and those coyotes had
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to have H the Lightning Jack because a
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pair of coyotes uh Brian TR go straight
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down wi boys 350 yards and this par of
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coyot had smelled us and is streaking
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away over a hill right they were they
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were coming and cut your o's wind yes
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they come straight down you know and
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coyotes will end up I I think a majority
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of the coyotes will try to end up
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downwind of you oh especially in that
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big country like that anywhere but
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especially in that big country yeah no
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they just and even pups that have never
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been called I see circling to get the
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wind and I think it just becomes a
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safety mechanism for them as they grow
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as they learn that summer if they'll
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Circle and get the win they know what
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they're up against whether it's another
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coyote whether it's a rabbit whatever
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right so I think that innately coyotes
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like to Circle downwind but this pair of
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coyotes is downwind 350 yards they are
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hauling straight North the M you it's
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all on video and it's all going to be
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seen um I turned on girl fight and that
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male takes a 90° hard turn and runs
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right out in front of a straight north
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of us the wind's coming out of the West
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straight out of the West 23 to 27 M hour
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this coyote ends up 270 yards straight
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north of me um looking for that sound
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but he'd already smelled us so he knew
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there was a rat in the hen house and
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John I put that Crosshair right he blows
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his chest up I put that Crosshair right
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on his chest elevated a little towards
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his face he's head on to me and I pulled
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the trigger and I watched that ELD VT
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bullet go right by his face oh no you
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missed him I missed him at 270 yards and
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so you all Brian spotted these coyes at
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350 yards but he when he spot them they
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were running away right yes sir they
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they were coming and and cut your all's
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wind at like 350 and they're leaving
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they're leaving the country and you
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switch to to girl fight which is a
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breeding sound from mfk and it turned
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those coats that had already got a snap
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female wanted nothing to do with it but
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she's going to back her male I know it
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was the male that he heard that fighting
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sound and come he come a 100 yards on an
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angle back straight in front of us and I
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forgot to compensate for the wind on my
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sh and missed well how many times have
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you ever seen a Kyo catch your win and
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you still be able to turn him and call
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him a positive direction
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you I can count them on one hand and
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it's probably not very many fingers well
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I've seen a coyot that's when I went wow
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the power of that sound this time of
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year so what that pretty much tells you
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is is that's a excellent sound file one
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and second thing is that's telling you
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that the uh the pool of the breeding
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season on his coyotes is starting to get
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pretty strong yes sir and it just I mean
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I thought wow and then we made the next
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five stands in that heavy wind we saw
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one other coyote at distance he downwind
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Holland
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but and I'll be honest with you I got so
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frustrated we went in ate lunch and and
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uh we spent that afternoon just scouting
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looking it we we picked up a whole bunch
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of new acres and instead of burning
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through those coyotes or instead of
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letting those coyotes get downwind and
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smell us or just getting frustrated we
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decided to use the rest of that day to
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uh uh Scout right and look for look at
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area and I really think that's a great
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you know way to spend time when you
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don't want to burn through coyotes in
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the wind um go learn the area go look
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for the tracks the scat the areas that
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you think will hold coyotes and I think
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that's as productive as burning up stuff
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in the wind oh yeah definitely
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definitely so once the wind died down
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where you guys could get back into
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making stands what it sounds like your
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game plan was uh what was your game plan
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for Colin on this trip you knew breeding
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season was coming up but coou are still
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coming to pray to stress really well
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what was your mindset going into this
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hunt on what type of sound you thought
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you were W to play and what did you end
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up playing that you had success with the
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uh the advantage of this place is we've
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hunted it since uh 10 years ago nine
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years ago we me and Brian did a fur
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taker an original fur taker episode
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there that I thought was one of our best
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shows and in that episode I would play
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Lightning Jack for seven minutes
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woodpecker for 7even minutes and I was
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pulling the trigger Yep this we're two
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weeks later than we were nine years ago
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and I wanted to show Brian that
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Lightning Jack still had it but on the
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first two stands the next morning wind
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six miles an hour I said this wind is
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not those coyotes live in six mph winds
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it doesn't even affect them yeah I know
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it doesn't and and it's really doesn't
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affect that x24 either that x24 will
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Buck six mph wind really easy so the
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first stand we set up and I start
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playing Lightning Jack then I play
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woodpecker and I I this coyote we shows
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up at 300 yards and sits down and
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actually goes away from us they got
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hinky for some reason and these coyotes
0:11:40.399,0:11:45.160
hadn't been called it wasn't that they
0:11:42.639,0:11:47.639
were pressured coyotes I just think you
0:11:45.160,0:11:49.320
know something didn't sound right to
0:11:47.639,0:11:52.160
that first group of coyotes and then we
0:11:49.320,0:11:53.720
come off a main road and so there is a
0:11:52.160,0:11:57.959
chance somebody had been calling off
0:11:53.720,0:12:02.880
that main road but um we made two
0:11:57.959,0:12:05.040
stands early there and had a coyote Burn
0:12:02.880,0:12:07.880
Right By Us on the first stand the
0:12:05.040,0:12:11.079
second stand the coyote pegged up at 350
0:12:07.880,0:12:13.600
400 yards and got hany and left and the
0:12:11.079,0:12:15.120
third stand I just was frustrated I
0:12:13.600,0:12:18.000
didn't know what to do but I still
0:12:15.120,0:12:20.920
wanted to try my the the theory so I I
0:12:18.000,0:12:24.199
just for whatever reason chose kg Cotton
0:12:20.920,0:12:26.399
Tail oh that's one of my favorite tail
0:12:24.199,0:12:30.920
and I played decided to play kg for
0:12:26.399,0:12:33.320
seven minutes and played Ki and a coyote
0:12:30.920,0:12:36.079
shows up at three minutes on a fence 300
0:12:33.320,0:12:37.560
yards uh straight up wind the wind was
0:12:36.079,0:12:39.399
coming out of the West again and this
0:12:37.560,0:12:41.680
coyote is straight west of us the sun's
0:12:39.399,0:12:43.959
coming up behind us winds in our face
0:12:41.680,0:12:47.000
perfect conditions that way we're hid by
0:12:43.959,0:12:48.880
these yucka plant and this coyote Works
0:12:47.000,0:12:51.639
its way down this fence line but still
0:12:48.880,0:12:53.880
at about 250 when all of a sudden I
0:12:51.639,0:12:57.199
switch to woodpecker and it really
0:12:53.880,0:12:58.959
starts coming closer to about 200 and
0:12:57.199,0:13:01.160
we're all getting excited watching this
0:12:58.959,0:13:03.600
coyote out on the fence and Brian looks
0:13:01.160,0:13:07.120
left and here comes a coyote through a
0:13:03.600,0:13:09.360
Corral right up to us 80 yards of course
0:13:07.120,0:13:11.760
we're not going to not pluck that Apple
0:13:09.360,0:13:14.720
that's right right so he blow he blows
0:13:11.760,0:13:17.199
his chest out and we double tap him
0:13:14.720,0:13:19.720
right there at 80 yards well that coyote
0:13:17.199,0:13:21.880
takes off running so I play some and the
0:13:19.720,0:13:23.800
other thing I was playing is I you're
0:13:21.880,0:13:25.920
talking about the the first C that y'all
0:13:23.800,0:13:29.399
initially seen coming down the fenro is
0:13:25.920,0:13:33.720
now heading out right yeah no it's gone
0:13:29.399,0:13:36.639
yeah it's gone and I hit pup distress 3
0:13:33.720,0:13:39.880
I was playing some Ravens I like to play
0:13:36.639,0:13:41.720
the the rabbit I like to play Ravens and
0:13:39.880,0:13:43.320
then I'll play the bird I'll play the
0:13:41.720,0:13:47.000
you know the Woodpecker and I'll I'll
0:13:43.320,0:13:49.639
play The Raven sound and uh
0:13:47.000,0:13:52.880
anyway for whatever reason I play sister
0:13:49.639,0:13:58.800
pair how and it was kind of a new
0:13:52.880,0:14:00.399
how and uh and uh to me it was a new how
0:13:58.800,0:14:02.839
we just got those sounds here a few
0:14:00.399,0:14:04.720
months ago yep I like sister perow I
0:14:02.839,0:14:07.040
played it a lot back in the fall and
0:14:04.720,0:14:09.639
late summer and absolutely slaughtered
0:14:07.040,0:14:11.519
the coyotes around around Kentucky and
0:14:09.639,0:14:14.000
we played it some in Kansas I mean I
0:14:11.519,0:14:17.880
mean it's it I like that how it's a good
0:14:14.000,0:14:20.839
one and so I turn
0:14:17.880,0:14:23.040
on uh sister peral and three coyotes
0:14:20.839,0:14:24.680
show up at the fence about 350 yards
0:14:23.040,0:14:27.079
straight west of us again where they
0:14:24.680,0:14:28.240
that first Kyo came from MH and now
0:14:27.079,0:14:31.040
there's three of them up there but
0:14:28.240,0:14:33.279
they're kind of hany I turned on girl
0:14:31.040,0:14:34.839
fight and they were kicking and
0:14:33.279,0:14:36.880
scratching we could see him out there
0:14:34.839,0:14:39.279
kicking and scratching and getting
0:14:36.880,0:14:42.399
aggressive and for whatever reason I
0:14:39.279,0:14:44.440
just decided to turn on Vol squeaks just
0:14:42.399,0:14:45.759
to see if you know I I let him know
0:14:44.440,0:14:47.160
there was coyotes I let him know those
0:14:45.759,0:14:49.199
coyotes were fighting over stuff but I
0:14:47.160,0:14:51.360
turned on Vol squeaks and all of a
0:14:49.199,0:14:53.000
sudden Brian goes right here 150 coming
0:14:51.360,0:14:55.120
hard and this other coyote comes up
0:14:53.000,0:14:57.519
there Brian shoots it it's spins takes
0:14:55.120,0:15:00.639
off running and I dumped him dumped her
0:14:57.519,0:15:03.920
on the Run awesome and and we had a
0:15:00.639,0:15:05.560
double and honestly we didn't call
0:15:03.920,0:15:07.040
Coyote Well we called coyot we saw
0:15:05.560,0:15:09.360
coyotes on the first two stands but we
0:15:07.040,0:15:11.600
kill a double then we go to the very
0:15:09.360,0:15:13.519
next stand and it's where I started I
0:15:11.600,0:15:17.160
really learned something on the next
0:15:13.519,0:15:21.240
stand because I had a pretty solid uh
0:15:17.160,0:15:23.440
idea that uh the rabbit was working but
0:15:21.240,0:15:25.000
after the rabbit for that 10 12 minutes
0:15:23.440,0:15:27.839
I could go to vocals and I would still
0:15:25.000,0:15:30.240
get some other reactions so we sat down
0:15:27.839,0:15:32.920
turned on Kate Cotton Tail uh two and a
0:15:30.240,0:15:35.079
half minutes into kg Cotton Tail a big
0:15:32.920,0:15:36.920
old male and he turns out to be a big
0:15:35.079,0:15:38.399
old male and his female was following
0:15:36.920,0:15:40.959
him but he was pushing in ahead of that
0:15:38.399,0:15:44.040
female and it was cold our temperatures
0:15:40.959,0:15:46.720
were in the 20s and uh that big old male
0:15:44.040,0:15:50.000
pushes up there 75 yards uh Brian
0:15:46.720,0:15:52.639
Trussell takes that Ruger American Gen 2
0:15:50.000,0:15:55.199
rifle and hits him Center chest and just
0:15:52.639,0:15:58.240
dumps him and that female her and she
0:15:55.199,0:16:00.600
boy I mean that coyote left the country
0:15:58.240,0:16:00.600
and
0:16:00.680,0:16:05.279
what is it what is it about these
0:16:02.639,0:16:08.040
females they just ain't near as Loyals
0:16:05.279,0:16:09.800
and males are they no not this time of
0:16:08.040,0:16:11.959
year I don't think so but I learned
0:16:09.800,0:16:15.120
something I've got my wife Crystal she
0:16:11.959,0:16:16.959
they're home from school today they got
0:16:15.120,0:16:18.600
schools called off for snow and she's
0:16:16.959,0:16:20.720
over on the couch I told her I said you
0:16:18.600,0:16:23.839
gota be quiet I'm doing a podcast today
0:16:20.720,0:16:26.199
and I mentioned that females ain't loyal
0:16:23.839,0:16:27.839
like your men are those males are she
0:16:26.199,0:16:29.160
but you got a funny look didn't you I
0:16:27.839,0:16:31.120
looked over at her just make sure she
0:16:29.160,0:16:33.480
heard it she turned around boy I got a
0:16:31.120,0:16:33.480
foul
0:16:33.959,0:16:40.800
look well we're talking
0:16:37.199,0:16:42.920
about yeah we're talking about KY babe
0:16:40.800,0:16:45.959
anyway uh I got to meet your wife at
0:16:42.920,0:16:50.440
Christmas and she's a you're a lucky man
0:16:45.959,0:16:52.040
I uh I I turned on uh woodpecker after
0:16:50.440,0:16:54.399
we shot that coyot I went my seven
0:16:52.040,0:16:56.680
minutes with KGI I turned on the
0:16:54.399,0:16:58.199
Woodpecker and I was playing Ravens and
0:16:56.680,0:17:00.560
I looked out there and here comes this
0:16:58.199,0:17:04.000
Kyle out sneaking in right out in front
0:17:00.560,0:17:06.720
of a straight west straight up wind cow
0:17:04.000,0:17:08.120
you know kind of hiding from the call
0:17:06.720,0:17:11.839
and I thought that's funny and it gets
0:17:08.120,0:17:14.160
up there 10 and some yards and uh it
0:17:11.839,0:17:17.319
actually comes in and smells the dead
0:17:14.160,0:17:19.880
male and when she smelled the dead maale
0:17:17.319,0:17:22.120
she kind of Loops back and facing away
0:17:19.880,0:17:24.679
from us and I went to shoot that coyote
0:17:22.120,0:17:26.559
with my 65 creedmore and it hadn't
0:17:24.679,0:17:28.520
picked up it's it's brand new and I
0:17:26.559,0:17:30.000
dipped it in some Cam and every now and
0:17:28.520,0:17:32.080
then it has a feeding issue and it's
0:17:30.000,0:17:34.720
just because I haven't oh you you
0:17:32.080,0:17:37.120
skipped over the next round yes and it
0:17:34.720,0:17:38.919
needs to it just needs some more love
0:17:37.120,0:17:40.280
that just needs another five or six
0:17:38.919,0:17:42.919
boxes through it before it's going to
0:17:40.280,0:17:46.280
run like a top y all the time in that
0:17:42.919,0:17:48.039
cold and uh I go click well when I went
0:17:46.280,0:17:50.720
click oh Brian trussle says good enough
0:17:48.039,0:17:52.960
for me and he pulled the that Coy and
0:17:50.720,0:17:56.240
that coyote spun and took off on the
0:17:52.960,0:17:59.280
dead run well I racked the action and I
0:17:56.240,0:18:02.600
uh I racked that action and that coyote
0:17:59.280,0:18:04.840
was running Full Tilt with a 223 bullet
0:18:02.600,0:18:07.520
in him and I dumped it on the Run nice
0:18:04.840,0:18:12.280
so I was all excited about my shot and I
0:18:07.520,0:18:15.159
turned on sister per how and pup screams
0:18:12.280,0:18:17.080
and sister per how and pup screams and
0:18:15.159,0:18:19.240
all of a sudden Brian goes look at that
0:18:17.080,0:18:21.039
coyote coming off the far Hill well I
0:18:19.240,0:18:24.080
couldn't even see that far John it was a
0:18:21.039,0:18:26.000
mile and a half to that other Hill I
0:18:24.080,0:18:27.960
kept doing some pup screams and I kept
0:18:26.000,0:18:29.240
doing sister per how and then I turned
0:18:27.960,0:18:33.480
on
0:18:29.240,0:18:35.240
girl fight yep and this coyote at 400
0:18:33.480,0:18:40.159
yards just
0:18:35.240,0:18:44.440
goes I mean screaming at us so I played
0:18:40.159,0:18:48.600
a little more um I played a little more
0:18:44.440,0:18:51.400
uh I played a little more uh uh girl
0:18:48.600,0:18:52.799
fight and every time I'd hit girl fight
0:18:51.400,0:18:54.120
that coyote would answer us and you're
0:18:52.799,0:18:56.360
going to hear it even though we were
0:18:54.120,0:18:57.799
wearing the mics both me and Brian
0:18:56.360,0:19:01.840
you're going to hear and you're going to
0:18:57.799,0:19:04.240
see that that coyote at 300 yards just
0:19:01.840,0:19:07.159
giving it to us I'm thinking this big
0:19:04.240,0:19:09.679
old male can't take it and it posts up
0:19:07.159,0:19:12.360
at about 250 and it sees us I mean it's
0:19:09.679,0:19:14.600
down it's downhill we're skylined it was
0:19:12.360,0:19:16.799
the only place of coyote we'd be Skyline
0:19:14.600,0:19:19.240
to a coyote yeah is the only place lower
0:19:16.799,0:19:20.799
than us in the valley and that coyote
0:19:19.240,0:19:23.080
saw us up there and wasn't coming any
0:19:20.799,0:19:25.720
closer and it was head on to me 250
0:19:23.080,0:19:28.679
yards I pulled the trigger did a classic
0:19:25.720,0:19:30.280
Miss again but shooting that AR10 picked
0:19:28.679,0:19:33.240
up every bullet after that and it took
0:19:30.280,0:19:36.120
me three rounds but I hit that KY Full
0:19:33.240,0:19:39.880
Tilt running at about 270
0:19:36.120,0:19:41.520
280 and uh slowed her down and that's
0:19:39.880,0:19:43.400
the part that really blew me away I
0:19:41.520,0:19:46.280
walked down there to collect that coyote
0:19:43.400,0:19:49.280
Brian went to collect his two up there
0:19:46.280,0:19:51.840
and it was a big female and she did not
0:19:49.280,0:19:53.880
have a tooth in her head really she
0:19:51.840,0:19:56.320
didn't she didn't have any upper canines
0:19:53.880,0:19:59.640
she only had one lower canine and it was
0:19:56.320,0:20:01.080
a stub and so so that coyote I I was
0:19:59.640,0:20:02.960
reading an article the other day that
0:20:01.080,0:20:05.640
says coyotes will live 21 there's a
0:20:02.960,0:20:07.760
coyote Liv 21 years in a zoo good grief
0:20:05.640,0:20:09.559
so that they yeah they think a coyotes
0:20:07.760,0:20:11.919
can live 20 years in captivity but they
0:20:09.559,0:20:13.679
only live six to eight years in the wild
0:20:11.919,0:20:15.039
right well I've seen other stuff I've
0:20:13.679,0:20:17.880
read other stuff where a guy said
0:20:15.039,0:20:21.280
they'll live 10 to 12 years in the wild
0:20:17.880,0:20:26.080
but uh either way you call in a coyote
0:20:21.280,0:20:28.960
that has no teeth 6 to 8 to 12 years old
0:20:26.080,0:20:31.360
but it was a female yeah it really blew
0:20:28.960,0:20:33.960
my mind that this female and so I
0:20:31.360,0:20:36.240
started formulating in my head this
0:20:33.960,0:20:39.480
preut and I really think we're preut
0:20:36.240,0:20:42.039
right now I mean when do your white tail
0:20:39.480,0:20:44.720
in Kentucky what week is the prime rut
0:20:42.039,0:20:46.360
week for Kentucky white tails I think
0:20:44.720,0:20:47.919
they say like the peak of breeding here
0:20:46.360,0:20:51.159
is like second week of
0:20:47.919,0:20:53.280
November okay so and in Minnesota it's
0:20:51.159,0:20:55.159
probably the first week of November and
0:20:53.280,0:20:58.440
then if you go to Texas they breed clear
0:20:55.159,0:21:00.360
into January December you know yep so I
0:20:58.440,0:21:03.240
know that it changes across the country
0:21:00.360,0:21:05.320
for deal but I honestly think coyotes
0:21:03.240,0:21:08.120
are pretty consistent across from Old
0:21:05.320,0:21:11.880
Mexico to Alberta Canada they probably
0:21:08.120,0:21:13.919
breed around the 15th of February that's
0:21:11.880,0:21:16.720
that's what I've always heard you know
0:21:13.919,0:21:19.600
is you know Nationwide is that's the
0:21:16.720,0:21:22.159
average Peak breeding and then of course
0:21:19.600,0:21:25.520
what is it 60 62 days later we have pups
0:21:22.159,0:21:28.200
in the ground yeah no it's 62 day dation
0:21:25.520,0:21:30.600
period just like a dog no different yep
0:21:28.200,0:21:32.679
and so and that's what I basee my whole
0:21:30.600,0:21:36.360
year around is this this this uh
0:21:32.679,0:21:37.640
breeding that takes place but this preut
0:21:36.360,0:21:39.279
and I've noticed through the years but
0:21:37.640,0:21:42.159
it never was as prevalent to me as it
0:21:39.279,0:21:45.600
was this trip so fast forward we shoot a
0:21:42.159,0:21:47.919
double we shoot a triple very next stand
0:21:45.600,0:21:50.480
doing the rabbit doing the Woodpecker
0:21:47.919,0:21:53.400
two coyotes come by us I kill both those
0:21:50.480,0:21:56.559
coyotes we got another double then we
0:21:53.400,0:21:58.520
work up on this hill and uh doing the
0:21:56.559,0:22:01.000
rabbit doing the woodpecker I'm looking
0:21:58.520,0:22:03.840
at a coyote at 350 yards that's iny
0:22:01.000,0:22:05.679
won't come to the rabbit I look or my
0:22:03.840,0:22:09.240
cameraman Lance looks left and says why
0:22:05.679,0:22:12.480
don't you shoot this coyote at 150
0:22:09.240,0:22:15.200
yards and so we shoot that
0:22:12.480,0:22:18.279
coyote and uh we put those coyotes it
0:22:15.200,0:22:20.919
was eight coyotes on video and we only
0:22:18.279,0:22:23.640
missed the very last stand the the
0:22:20.919,0:22:25.440
second best stand my the day right as
0:22:23.640,0:22:29.080
the sun was going down we did not call a
0:22:25.440,0:22:31.400
coyot in and I don't know why other than
0:22:29.080,0:22:34.559
um the wind kind of switched out of the
0:22:31.400,0:22:35.799
East right at dark and I got a theory
0:22:34.559,0:22:38.400
about that we're going to talk about a
0:22:35.799,0:22:40.240
little later but the next morning I am
0:22:38.400,0:22:42.880
jacked up because we just put eight on
0:22:40.240,0:22:45.039
film I think we are really going to roll
0:22:42.880,0:22:48.240
and the very first stand of the morning
0:22:45.039,0:22:50.799
called in a big mail to Rabbit he comes
0:22:48.240,0:22:52.480
in early uh Brian Trussell went right
0:22:50.799,0:22:54.240
between his ears and missed him and he
0:22:52.480,0:22:56.400
took off run and didn't get three steps
0:22:54.240,0:22:58.799
and I put him down and we're off and
0:22:56.400,0:23:00.520
rolling the next stand we had coyotes
0:22:58.799,0:23:04.000
all around us we actually called three
0:23:00.520,0:23:07.520
coyotes in and
0:23:04.000,0:23:09.360
uh uh didn't get any of them between the
0:23:07.520,0:23:10.880
cameraman not seeing them when we saw
0:23:09.360,0:23:13.320
him and then the camera saw him and we
0:23:10.880,0:23:15.159
couldn't see him three coyotes came in
0:23:13.320,0:23:17.400
with gun range and we did not pull the
0:23:15.159,0:23:18.960
trigger on any of them and that's the
0:23:17.400,0:23:20.320
frustration of filming because if we'
0:23:18.960,0:23:23.279
had just been killing we'd have killed
0:23:20.320,0:23:27.039
three coyotes easy on that St right so
0:23:23.279,0:23:29.720
so so the Collins seems like was was for
0:23:27.039,0:23:31.320
the most part excellent y'all killed a
0:23:29.720,0:23:33.720
couple doubles a
0:23:31.320,0:23:36.440
triple yeah no we ended up and the very
0:23:33.720,0:23:38.919
next stand we kill another double really
0:23:36.440,0:23:42.600
so yes so how many how many cows did
0:23:38.919,0:23:45.679
y'all end up with total TW we we we we
0:23:42.600,0:23:48.600
ended up with 12 on video and 13 overall
0:23:45.679,0:23:51.760
14 overall two of them didn't make a
0:23:48.600,0:23:53.760
video so you kill four you kill 14 cows
0:23:51.760,0:23:56.240
and what two days or two and a half days
0:23:53.760,0:23:58.679
day and a half day and a half yes day
0:23:56.240,0:24:00.120
and a half we'll talk about about it but
0:23:58.679,0:24:01.919
the the the one stand I really want to
0:24:00.120,0:24:04.960
talk about is the last single and it's
0:24:01.919,0:24:07.960
all on video I turn on the rabbit and a
0:24:04.960,0:24:10.159
coyote pops up 300 280 yards straight in
0:24:07.960,0:24:13.159
front of us looks up there sees us turns
0:24:10.159,0:24:15.320
and leaves and I take a running shot at
0:24:13.159,0:24:16.640
500 yards just because you can't kill
0:24:15.320,0:24:19.080
them if you don't pull the trigger hey
0:24:16.640,0:24:21.679
when there's Le in air there's danger
0:24:19.080,0:24:23.600
there's a prayer absolutely and that hux
0:24:21.679,0:24:25.320
works I have confidence and I really
0:24:23.600,0:24:27.600
think the reason we shot three doubles
0:24:25.320,0:24:29.679
and a triple is because we had those hux
0:24:27.600,0:24:32.760
work on the front of those rifles it it
0:24:29.679,0:24:34.480
changes that noise coyotes at 300 yards
0:24:32.760,0:24:36.080
don't know what that noise is coming out
0:24:34.480,0:24:38.919
of suppressor it doesn't sound like a
0:24:36.080,0:24:40.360
rifle shot it's just suppressed noise
0:24:38.919,0:24:42.279
and that's really all you're looking for
0:24:40.360,0:24:44.520
when you buy a suppressor and you might
0:24:42.279,0:24:48.640
as well buy the best the lightest I put
0:24:44.520,0:24:51.360
that 762 flow titanium can on that Ruger
0:24:48.640,0:24:53.919
American gen 2223 and it was whisper
0:24:51.360,0:24:57.320
quiet a 30 caliber can on the front of a
0:24:53.919,0:24:59.559
223 rifle and it worked it's only 11.3
0:24:57.320,0:25:02.320
ounces and it looks sexy as heck on that
0:24:59.559,0:25:05.600
fluted Ruger Gen 2 Barrel so it was
0:25:02.320,0:25:07.640
awesome but this last KY we we go into
0:25:05.600,0:25:09.440
it I played the rabbit I played the
0:25:07.640,0:25:10.799
Woodpecker and I'm I'm about seven
0:25:09.440,0:25:13.159
minutes into the Woodpecker so we're
0:25:10.799,0:25:14.880
about 14 minutes on stand I look left
0:25:13.159,0:25:17.799
and a coyotes coming off the hill going
0:25:14.880,0:25:20.240
away from us and I thought what the
0:25:17.799,0:25:21.600
heavens are these coyotes so hinky you
0:25:20.240,0:25:23.440
know they're coming to the sound but
0:25:21.600,0:25:25.120
when they get within 300 yards it seems
0:25:23.440,0:25:26.600
like they're like I'm out of here I
0:25:25.120,0:25:29.360
don't like what I you know it just
0:25:26.600,0:25:31.159
doesn't sound right or just I don't know
0:25:29.360,0:25:32.600
what a Coy why a coyote would get hky
0:25:31.159,0:25:33.840
that's never been called to and I really
0:25:32.600,0:25:36.399
don't think this coyote had ever been
0:25:33.840,0:25:38.840
called to for whatever reason John I
0:25:36.399,0:25:42.440
just switch straight to girl fight and
0:25:38.840,0:25:45.399
that coyote takes a hard 90 comes right
0:25:42.440,0:25:49.080
back in front of us 180 yards me and
0:25:45.399,0:25:52.320
Brian Trussell double tap her and she
0:25:49.080,0:25:54.600
actually barked coming in really to to
0:25:52.320,0:25:57.399
the girl fight and that was the second
0:25:54.600,0:26:00.320
female out of the 12 we put on video
0:25:57.399,0:26:02.080
that came in aggressively to girl fight
0:26:00.320,0:26:04.080
and that's when this little old Beady
0:26:02.080,0:26:08.000
brain of mine goes you know what these
0:26:04.080,0:26:09.559
females must be so territorial right now
0:26:08.000,0:26:11.440
that even though they weren't sure they
0:26:09.559,0:26:14.840
wanted to come to the food sounds when I
0:26:11.440,0:26:17.520
turned on that sister peral and that
0:26:14.840,0:26:19.720
girl fight they had girl coyotes in
0:26:17.520,0:26:22.200
their core home area and they would not
0:26:19.720,0:26:24.840
stand for it they weren't going to just
0:26:22.200,0:26:27.000
let it go without some investigation
0:26:24.840,0:26:30.720
right and it it really made the
0:26:27.000,0:26:32.559
difference for this trip and um that's
0:26:30.720,0:26:34.440
when I realized I I've just always
0:26:32.559,0:26:36.919
thought that the fox TR library was
0:26:34.440,0:26:38.039
perfect and part of that reason I always
0:26:36.919,0:26:40.799
thought it was perfect because I've
0:26:38.039,0:26:42.880
always had a diaphragm in my mouth and
0:26:40.799,0:26:45.799
before we had electronic calls me and
0:26:42.880,0:26:48.760
Garvin I mean we had good electronic
0:26:45.799,0:26:52.360
calls the last few years of our career
0:26:48.760,0:26:54.760
but in 1997 all we had was a Cersei hand
0:26:52.360,0:26:57.679
call in garvin's hands and a diaphragm
0:26:54.760,0:26:59.000
elk call in my mouth and Garvin would
0:26:57.679,0:27:01.080
sit over there and blow the rabbit
0:26:59.000,0:27:04.080
distress and I would sit over there and
0:27:01.080,0:27:07.520
howl I would pup distress and I would
0:27:04.080,0:27:08.840
cayy and I would wimper on a diaphragm
0:27:07.520,0:27:10.640
and it was always the first week of
0:27:08.840,0:27:13.159
December is when the World Championships
0:27:10.640,0:27:15.039
were and we managed to scratch out four
0:27:13.159,0:27:17.000
of them and I didn't realize how
0:27:15.039,0:27:20.159
important some of those vocals I was
0:27:17.000,0:27:22.440
making with the diaphragm well now we
0:27:20.159,0:27:24.320
have a guy named Tory cook in Arkansas
0:27:22.440,0:27:26.200
that is getting these vocals from real
0:27:24.320,0:27:28.080
coyotes that are real wild coyotes
0:27:26.200,0:27:29.960
they're not in a pen they live with he
0:27:28.080,0:27:32.240
you know Tori lives with the coyotes
0:27:29.960,0:27:35.440
it's like National Geographic around his
0:27:32.240,0:27:38.320
place I'm sure right with these coyotes
0:27:35.440,0:27:40.720
and uh I think Tori is getting some
0:27:38.320,0:27:42.640
sounds that nobody else is getting yes
0:27:40.720,0:27:44.320
they're coyotes but they're in a pen or
0:27:42.640,0:27:46.360
they're in their house or wherever they
0:27:44.320,0:27:49.519
keep these coyotes they aren't doing
0:27:46.360,0:27:51.919
what wild coyotes do these coyotes tor's
0:27:49.519,0:27:54.960
recording are wild coyotes and when we
0:27:51.919,0:27:57.880
added the nfk library to that fox Pro
0:27:54.960,0:28:00.240
Library I really and you give me a DI
0:27:57.880,0:28:02.240
called John Collins I am so confident
0:28:00.240,0:28:05.399
even when you came to Arizona with me I
0:28:02.240,0:28:07.240
was so confident in the sequences and
0:28:05.399,0:28:10.440
and I've got a sequence that I'm running
0:28:07.240,0:28:13.159
year round 247 365 day night doesn't
0:28:10.440,0:28:15.559
matter I'll modify the minutes that I
0:28:13.159,0:28:17.399
play sounds in that sequence but at the
0:28:15.559,0:28:20.720
end of the day to see these female
0:28:17.399,0:28:22.960
coyotes pushing in on this girl fight
0:28:20.720,0:28:25.880
this time of year mid January late
0:28:22.960,0:28:27.559
January knowing that next month we can
0:28:25.880,0:28:30.559
go into some of these really heavy duty
0:28:27.559,0:28:32.200
breeding sounds that have come out um I
0:28:30.559,0:28:35.440
still don't have them loaded on my unit
0:28:32.200,0:28:37.279
I got to get jod to get them loaded and
0:28:35.440,0:28:39.679
I am so excited to try some of these
0:28:37.279,0:28:41.640
other sounds that are coming up well I
0:28:39.679,0:28:43.120
mean I think you made a really good
0:28:41.640,0:28:45.880
point there you know if you're taking
0:28:43.120,0:28:48.240
advantage of the fox Pro library and the
0:28:45.880,0:28:50.519
mfk library and plus you're taking
0:28:48.240,0:28:52.880
advantage of uh you're mixing hand calls
0:28:50.519,0:28:55.240
and mouth diaphragms in the mix you've
0:28:52.880,0:28:58.559
just turned yourself into a very
0:28:55.240,0:29:02.760
well-rounded Predator collar out collar
0:28:58.559,0:29:05.399
um and I think you know to be to be a
0:29:02.760,0:29:07.200
step above you got to do stuff like that
0:29:05.399,0:29:09.159
you know if you can take advantage of
0:29:07.200,0:29:11.840
those three things you're going to
0:29:09.159,0:29:14.039
be probably you know in most
0:29:11.840,0:29:16.919
circumstances uh apt to call in more
0:29:14.039,0:29:19.200
coats more Bobcats more Fox all that
0:29:16.919,0:29:21.200
stuff if you're taking advantage of a
0:29:19.200,0:29:23.760
couple different libraries such as the
0:29:21.200,0:29:25.919
mfk and the fox Pro and then you mixing
0:29:23.760,0:29:27.760
in the hand call stuff I mean it's going
0:29:25.919,0:29:31.080
to put you A Step Above somebody is just
0:29:27.760,0:29:34.880
running say just one library or just
0:29:31.080,0:29:36.960
running I have never I can't tell you
0:29:34.880,0:29:38.760
how many World Championships I think me
0:29:36.960,0:29:41.320
and Garin would have won had we had the
0:29:38.760,0:29:43.840
mfk library had our fingertip I saw a
0:29:41.320,0:29:46.519
guy on a on a Facebook group the other
0:29:43.840,0:29:48.480
day somebody was asking about you know
0:29:46.519,0:29:50.039
what would be what is what what call
0:29:48.480,0:29:52.399
does he need to buy and what sounds does
0:29:50.039,0:29:54.559
he need to run I seen somebody get in
0:29:52.399,0:29:56.320
there and actually made the comment I
0:29:54.559,0:29:58.519
you know I wouldn't want to comment on
0:29:56.320,0:30:00.279
it on the on the group group page but
0:29:58.519,0:30:02.159
the guy said just get you a set of hand
0:30:00.279,0:30:05.679
calls you'll call just as many coyotes
0:30:02.159,0:30:09.039
as everybody else e calls overrated well
0:30:05.679,0:30:11.159
no sir go enter the worlds go enter the
0:30:09.039,0:30:14.039
Eastern when it was going on go enter up
0:30:11.159,0:30:16.240
any these big time contests that's been
0:30:14.039,0:30:18.519
going on enter the big bobcat contest
0:30:16.240,0:30:20.799
down there in Texas with all those teams
0:30:18.519,0:30:23.720
coming in trying to kill a bobcat that's
0:30:20.799,0:30:25.320
worth tens of thousands of dollars I
0:30:23.720,0:30:28.200
guarantee you the first place ain't
0:30:25.320,0:30:29.480
running just hand cost I not saying
0:30:28.200,0:30:32.080
there some of these guys can do pretty
0:30:29.480,0:30:32.080
good
0:30:32.240,0:30:36.799
but no if you wanna if you want to bring
0:30:34.840,0:30:39.760
numbers to the table you've got to use
0:30:36.799,0:30:41.159
all those tools at your disposal and and
0:30:39.760,0:30:42.799
you know we preface that that it was
0:30:41.159,0:30:44.360
Bill CIS rules in the World Champ
0:30:42.799,0:30:46.120
there's still a world championship out
0:30:44.360,0:30:47.840
there but the rules are different than
0:30:46.120,0:30:49.440
the rules me and Garin had to play by
0:30:47.840,0:30:51.840
it's more of a participation medal and
0:30:49.440,0:30:54.919
that's my opinion and uh you don't have
0:30:51.840,0:30:57.360
to agree with me uh out there in in on
0:30:54.919,0:30:58.960
our podcast world but the world champion
0:30:57.360,0:31:01.320
ship today is not the world championship
0:30:58.960,0:31:03.639
me and Garvin participated in and it's a
0:31:01.320,0:31:06.480
shame because it was brought back in
0:31:03.639,0:31:08.799
1988 I think that that format that
0:31:06.480,0:31:11.039
championship's perfect but we all roll
0:31:08.799,0:31:12.559
the same boat and it's project coyote
0:31:11.039,0:31:15.320
and fun for Animals these people don't
0:31:12.559,0:31:17.000
want us hun in coyotes at all and what
0:31:15.320,0:31:20.279
people out there need to listen to too
0:31:17.000,0:31:21.440
is is uh once they get coyote hunting
0:31:20.279,0:31:22.559
shut down they're going to go after your
0:31:21.440,0:31:24.039
deer hunting they're going to go after
0:31:22.559,0:31:26.639
your bird hunting so don't think just
0:31:24.039,0:31:28.799
because you hunt Chuckers in in Nevada
0:31:26.639,0:31:30.600
that that uh these people shutting down
0:31:28.799,0:31:32.360
a coyote contest is going to affect you
0:31:30.600,0:31:34.399
it will cuz when they get done shutting
0:31:32.360,0:31:36.039
down Lions Bears coyotes they're going
0:31:34.399,0:31:38.039
to come after your chucker honey that's
0:31:36.039,0:31:40.360
right just get get their foot in the
0:31:38.039,0:31:41.559
door yep we're all rolling the same boat
0:31:40.360,0:31:43.559
so we got to remember that and that's
0:31:41.559,0:31:47.080
all that that's all I'll say on that
0:31:43.559,0:31:50.080
note um it was very interesting to me to
0:31:47.080,0:31:53.000
be 57 years old and learn and really
0:31:50.080,0:31:55.080
come to the realization that females I
0:31:53.000,0:31:57.679
really think these female coyotes this
0:31:55.080,0:31:59.799
time of year are more ter teritorial
0:31:57.679,0:32:01.679
than the males were and the males were
0:31:59.799,0:32:03.399
more interested in eating because of the
0:32:01.679,0:32:05.000
cold temperatures and stuff the other
0:32:03.399,0:32:06.679
thing I don't think people realize John
0:32:05.000,0:32:09.639
is these kyes are still growing this
0:32:06.679,0:32:12.440
hair oh yeah now the hair is pretty well
0:32:09.639,0:32:14.039
grown that more October november-ish
0:32:12.440,0:32:15.760
December is they're growing that that
0:32:14.039,0:32:17.240
hair is growing a lot they need a lot of
0:32:15.760,0:32:18.600
calories to grow that hair that's going
0:32:17.240,0:32:20.000
to get you know that's their that's
0:32:18.600,0:32:22.200
their winter coat that's got to get them
0:32:20.000,0:32:24.919
through these cold negative degree
0:32:22.200,0:32:26.639
temperatures and I see on Facebook all
0:32:24.919,0:32:28.480
these people if you have your dog it's
0:32:26.639,0:32:31.320
it's 20 degrees out there and if your
0:32:28.480,0:32:34.279
dog's outside I hate you that dog of
0:32:31.320,0:32:37.480
mine has a fur coat and he's laying in
0:32:34.279,0:32:39.440
straw in a kennel so you can kiss my
0:32:37.480,0:32:41.960
butt if you think I'm worried about that
0:32:39.440,0:32:43.960
dog out there he's tough he's got a fur
0:32:41.960,0:32:46.480
coat and he's laying in straw those
0:32:43.960,0:32:49.200
coyotes don't have the straw in a dog
0:32:46.480,0:32:51.720
box those coyotes wrap that tail around
0:32:49.200,0:32:54.320
them and they live just fine to minus 30
0:32:51.720,0:32:56.320
right so don't worry about the animals
0:32:54.320,0:32:58.519
that are built for it those cattle they
0:32:56.320,0:33:02.080
have a fur Co
0:32:58.519,0:33:03.799
um it's it's I just these di bleeding
0:33:02.080,0:33:06.600
hearts that want to make these animals
0:33:03.799,0:33:08.080
it they give these animals a uh oh
0:33:06.600,0:33:09.840
what's it called when you make them into
0:33:08.080,0:33:11.360
people when you make an animal into
0:33:09.840,0:33:15.000
there's a word for that and I I just
0:33:11.360,0:33:18.559
blinked it but humanize them dis Disney
0:33:15.000,0:33:19.960
did us no favors with Bambi and Todd my
0:33:18.559,0:33:22.559
wife killed Todd the other day did you
0:33:19.960,0:33:24.760
see that red fox my wife saw that I saw
0:33:22.559,0:33:27.159
that you don't mess with my wife's
0:33:24.760,0:33:30.639
chickens she'll shoot you with a shotgun
0:33:27.159,0:33:32.679
at 54 yards and that REM I'm not going
0:33:30.639,0:33:35.120
to make her mad either I if I'd have
0:33:32.679,0:33:36.480
said them females i i she might have
0:33:35.120,0:33:37.960
picked that shotgun up that's laying
0:33:36.480,0:33:39.880
there by the back door I guarantee you
0:33:37.960,0:33:44.000
she still knows where it's
0:33:39.880,0:33:45.840
at I I want to ask you about uh about
0:33:44.000,0:33:48.159
these sounds a little bit more that you
0:33:45.840,0:33:50.799
having success with Al it sounds like
0:33:48.159,0:33:52.799
for the for the bulk of the trip you
0:33:50.799,0:33:54.480
guys were initially having coyes coming
0:33:52.799,0:33:56.080
to prey distress stff you were starting
0:33:54.480,0:33:58.200
out with a rabbit you were switching
0:33:56.080,0:33:59.919
into a bird s and mixing in some Ravens
0:33:58.200,0:34:02.360
I'm sure you was playing magp too cuz I
0:33:59.919,0:34:04.480
know you likeed mag Pi you like there
0:34:02.360,0:34:06.960
wasn't as many magp around so I stuck to
0:34:04.480,0:34:09.119
the rav yeah so you was initially
0:34:06.960,0:34:10.800
getting coyotes caught in with this and
0:34:09.119,0:34:13.359
you were all were shooting coyotes over
0:34:10.800,0:34:14.839
the prey distress type stuff but in the
0:34:13.359,0:34:16.520
middle of the stand and towards the end
0:34:14.839,0:34:18.919
of the stand you started switching into
0:34:16.520,0:34:22.079
some vocal type stuff and you were
0:34:18.919,0:34:23.760
getting second thirds and and second
0:34:22.079,0:34:27.440
chances at some of these coyotes because
0:34:23.760,0:34:29.040
of that it was a split stand it truly
0:34:27.440,0:34:30.320
was a split stand and I'll tell you the
0:34:29.040,0:34:32.520
other reason I was playing prade
0:34:30.320,0:34:35.919
distress up front is I paid the
0:34:32.520,0:34:38.800
348 bucks to be able to shoot a bobcat
0:34:35.919,0:34:40.599
or a fox right right that came in and I
0:34:38.800,0:34:43.679
wanted to shoot a bobcat we had seen
0:34:40.599,0:34:47.240
some big bobcats out in this Scruff
0:34:43.679,0:34:49.599
country and we never saw a bobcat on but
0:34:47.240,0:34:52.280
I really broke the stand into two too
0:34:49.599,0:34:54.960
many stands and it was 11 minutes with
0:34:52.280,0:34:57.160
one with prey distress 11 to 14 minutes
0:34:54.960,0:35:00.160
with prey distress and another 11 10
0:34:57.160,0:35:02.680
minutes with vocals and uh I stayed a
0:35:00.160,0:35:04.760
little longer than I typically do and I
0:35:02.680,0:35:06.560
broke the stand into two stands the
0:35:04.760,0:35:09.800
first one was a prey distress stand the
0:35:06.560,0:35:11.480
second stand was vocals breeding stands
0:35:09.800,0:35:14.839
and it was the first time I've ever
0:35:11.480,0:35:17.599
really done that right mentally yep and
0:35:14.839,0:35:20.040
I wanna I always want to project a
0:35:17.599,0:35:22.000
scenario and you know I usually start
0:35:20.040,0:35:24.400
out with C5 young coyot how little be
0:35:22.000,0:35:26.880
whimper pup how I just I have really had
0:35:24.400,0:35:28.440
dramatic I've played those two house
0:35:26.880,0:35:30.960
sitting there 2 minutes in silence and
0:35:28.440,0:35:33.680
KY have showed up and then I went
0:35:30.960,0:35:36.200
straight into kg Cotton Tail and and
0:35:33.680,0:35:37.760
Ravens and then after five six minutes
0:35:36.200,0:35:40.400
of that seven minutes of that I'd go to
0:35:37.760,0:35:43.440
the Woodpecker and some Ravens and then
0:35:40.400,0:35:46.359
I was going to Sister PA how into girl
0:35:43.440,0:35:49.480
fight into table scraps into pound town
0:35:46.359,0:35:53.560
and Dan Mayhem and I even had one pound
0:35:49.480,0:35:55.359
town one coyote I think uh came to pound
0:35:53.560,0:35:59.319
town but I hit Vol squeaks and he kind
0:35:55.359,0:36:02.640
of finished that way um it's
0:35:59.319,0:36:05.119
just it's really become a it's not an
0:36:02.640,0:36:06.720
epiphany because everybody's doing the
0:36:05.119,0:36:08.400
same thing if you really watch the
0:36:06.720,0:36:10.240
videos out there if you really watch
0:36:08.400,0:36:12.440
what everyone does we're all playing the
0:36:10.240,0:36:13.720
same sounds just in different variations
0:36:12.440,0:36:15.960
and I don't care whose sounds you're
0:36:13.720,0:36:18.800
playing there's variations of similar
0:36:15.960,0:36:21.599
sounds out there but when you can find
0:36:18.800,0:36:23.680
that combination that is unlocking
0:36:21.599,0:36:26.760
different groups of coyotes on the same
0:36:23.680,0:36:29.640
stand man that's really powerful that
0:36:26.760,0:36:31.920
tx1000 remote just got real powerful and
0:36:29.640,0:36:34.760
that diaphragm helping and all that in
0:36:31.920,0:36:37.079
the M it's just bonus yep well you know
0:36:34.760,0:36:38.640
you was talking about splitting it up in
0:36:37.079,0:36:40.520
kind of two different sections in your
0:36:38.640,0:36:42.720
stand you know with the prey and and the
0:36:40.520,0:36:44.520
vocals you know I do that a lot and I've
0:36:42.720,0:36:46.079
done that for years especially here in
0:36:44.520,0:36:48.599
the Midwest because a lot of times the
0:36:46.079,0:36:51.160
places we're calling once once late fall
0:36:48.599,0:36:53.800
comes in and through the winter like you
0:36:51.160,0:36:55.720
said earlier you got Bobcats and fox
0:36:53.800,0:36:57.880
Seasons that are in and everybody knows
0:36:55.720,0:37:00.280
I love a bobcat and I want to have
0:36:57.880,0:37:02.040
chances at those but the thing is when
0:37:00.280,0:37:03.680
you start those stands off this time
0:37:02.040,0:37:05.240
you're it doesn't hurt a thing to start
0:37:03.680,0:37:07.880
off with some prey distress even though
0:37:05.240,0:37:09.960
you're got breeding season coyotes on
0:37:07.880,0:37:11.880
your mind they still got to eat and when
0:37:09.960,0:37:13.599
you're playing these these prey distress
0:37:11.880,0:37:15.440
sounds to start your stand you can play
0:37:13.599,0:37:16.880
them for two minutes you can play them
0:37:15.440,0:37:19.240
for 10 minutes whatever you feel like
0:37:16.880,0:37:21.720
you want to do uh you have those chances
0:37:19.240,0:37:22.960
that those Bobcats it's laying out there
0:37:21.720,0:37:24.359
that you could come in it everybody
0:37:22.960,0:37:26.280
would love have a chance at a big old
0:37:24.359,0:37:28.240
bobcat that's the reason you bought that
0:37:26.280,0:37:30.680
LIC and that's the reason you started
0:37:28.240,0:37:32.359
off with those pray distress sounds the
0:37:30.680,0:37:34.000
other thing is is you've got those
0:37:32.359,0:37:35.839
coyotes that are laid out there that are
0:37:34.000,0:37:37.359
hungry and you know if one lady out
0:37:35.839,0:37:38.880
there hungry and he hears a rabbit that
0:37:37.359,0:37:40.359
he's never heard before he's going to
0:37:38.880,0:37:42.000
come in there and eat that rabbit which
0:37:40.359,0:37:45.079
might be kg cottonil it might be
0:37:42.000,0:37:46.560
lightning Jack uh so you're you're
0:37:45.079,0:37:49.280
you're getting you're capitalizing on
0:37:46.560,0:37:51.520
those Bobcats those Fox uh those hungry
0:37:49.280,0:37:52.960
coyotes but if there's coow laid out
0:37:51.520,0:37:54.920
there that's not interested in a pray
0:37:52.960,0:37:57.240
distress when you start in with that
0:37:54.920,0:37:59.560
breeding type stuff
0:37:57.240,0:38:01.200
that just hits on another trigger and if
0:37:59.560,0:38:02.599
those kows wouldn't come to pray it's a
0:38:01.200,0:38:04.839
pretty good chance you will get them to
0:38:02.599,0:38:07.280
those vocals so I think it's a very
0:38:04.839,0:38:08.359
solid uh game plan for this time of year
0:38:07.280,0:38:10.240
nothing wrong playing a little bit of
0:38:08.359,0:38:12.160
prey distress at beginning of your your
0:38:10.240,0:38:13.680
set even though you might be thinking
0:38:12.160,0:38:16.760
that you're going to play all breeding
0:38:13.680,0:38:18.280
type Coy vocal type stuff well and I
0:38:16.760,0:38:20.839
also knew that this ground wasn't
0:38:18.280,0:38:22.800
getting it wasn't pressured so I think a
0:38:20.839,0:38:25.440
lot of areas this time of year pressured
0:38:22.800,0:38:28.079
coyotes will avoid rabbit distress yeah
0:38:25.440,0:38:29.839
if they've been shot at of that 55 grain
0:38:28.079,0:38:31.680
missiles gone by their head a time or
0:38:29.839,0:38:35.800
two they're not just going to run into
0:38:31.680,0:38:37.400
rabbit because they're and and you know
0:38:35.800,0:38:39.200
I've always said there's five reasons if
0:38:37.400,0:38:41.000
you come to our seminars me both me and
0:38:39.200,0:38:44.119
John have seminars at the Great American
0:38:41.000,0:38:45.680
outdoor show coming up um yep what dates
0:38:44.119,0:38:47.440
are your what days are you doing
0:38:45.680,0:38:49.560
seminars John I think it's Monday
0:38:47.440,0:38:53.839
Tuesday and Wednesday the first the you
0:38:49.560,0:38:56.160
know it's the show starts on Saturday so
0:38:53.839,0:38:59.680
Wednesday I'm Thursday Friday Saturday
0:38:56.160,0:39:02.720
of that last week yep I'll be in and and
0:38:59.680,0:39:04.640
uh in the there's five reasons and and
0:39:02.720,0:39:06.480
you correct me if you have an variation
0:39:04.640,0:39:08.720
of this John there's five reasons a ky
0:39:06.480,0:39:10.160
will come they're hungry they're going
0:39:08.720,0:39:13.079
to come to pray distress because they
0:39:10.160,0:39:14.960
want to eat two they're territorial
0:39:13.079,0:39:17.079
there a dominant pair will be the most
0:39:14.960,0:39:18.839
territorial animals in that area they
0:39:17.079,0:39:20.839
will defend their territories right to
0:39:18.839,0:39:25.000
the fight to the death sometimes I'm
0:39:20.839,0:39:26.160
sure they do um then they're curious uh
0:39:25.000,0:39:27.800
they'll hear sounds and they'll be
0:39:26.160,0:39:29.800
curious I about it then they're going to
0:39:27.800,0:39:31.520
breed they're going to come to breeding
0:39:29.800,0:39:32.800
sounds during breeding season and
0:39:31.520,0:39:34.160
they're going to defend their areas if
0:39:32.800,0:39:35.319
there's other coyotes breeding in there
0:39:34.160,0:39:37.440
are they don't want them in their core
0:39:35.319,0:39:39.280
home area having pups in where they want
0:39:37.440,0:39:40.839
to raise pups and then they're going to
0:39:39.280,0:39:41.880
defend their pups they're going to
0:39:40.839,0:39:43.400
protect their pups they're going to
0:39:41.880,0:39:45.520
raise their pups and that's the the
0:39:43.400,0:39:48.480
summertime calling and there's five
0:39:45.520,0:39:50.480
that's five cylinders to fire on what I
0:39:48.480,0:39:52.880
discovered this week is I was firing on
0:39:50.480,0:39:55.560
at least three maybe four of those
0:39:52.880,0:39:57.200
cylinders most every stand that I broke
0:39:55.560,0:39:59.000
into two parts
0:39:57.200,0:40:01.359
and I really think the more cylinders
0:39:59.000,0:40:02.800
you can fire on the more powerful that
0:40:01.359,0:40:05.359
stand's going to be it's just like an
0:40:02.800,0:40:08.880
engine uh a two cylinders is awesome but
0:40:05.359,0:40:10.720
four cylinders is better and uh I really
0:40:08.880,0:40:12.200
think if you will start you out there
0:40:10.720,0:40:14.400
listening if you will start to break
0:40:12.200,0:40:15.960
those stands and find those cylinders
0:40:14.400,0:40:18.160
you can fire on you're going to put more
0:40:15.960,0:40:20.640
fur in the back of that truck no I think
0:40:18.160,0:40:23.240
you I think you were nailed it right
0:40:20.640,0:40:25.079
there and um he was talking about some
0:40:23.240,0:40:26.880
of the pressured Couts and the sound
0:40:25.079,0:40:29.280
that you play uh
0:40:26.880,0:40:31.560
I think that uh something we should talk
0:40:29.280,0:40:34.040
about here what I've seen in Kentucky
0:40:31.560,0:40:35.680
over the last week Cody came down and we
0:40:34.040,0:40:38.359
tried to film a few stands here we
0:40:35.680,0:40:40.400
hooked up with her Stafford Gage bannan
0:40:38.359,0:40:44.640
who's about almost two hours away from
0:40:40.400,0:40:47.680
me but uh um we had we had some tough
0:40:44.640,0:40:51.440
calling it got cold here unseasonably
0:40:47.680,0:40:53.400
cold and had some snow and uh we
0:40:51.440,0:40:56.480
actually didn't call for the first three
0:40:53.400,0:40:58.400
days we never called the first Cy to C
0:40:56.480,0:41:00.119
vocals here I'm thinking you had all
0:40:58.400,0:41:02.560
this luck with these breeding season
0:41:00.119,0:41:05.480
sounds we didn't have the first coyot
0:41:02.560,0:41:07.160
come into any type of coyot vocal at all
0:41:05.480,0:41:09.440
any of the house any of the breeding
0:41:07.160,0:41:11.760
season stuff no pups no fights no
0:41:09.440,0:41:14.480
nothing but what we were calling them in
0:41:11.760,0:41:16.119
on was rabbit and we were calling some
0:41:14.480,0:41:18.200
areas that were pressured our night
0:41:16.119,0:41:20.760
season is in in here Kentucky and once
0:41:18.200,0:41:23.079
night season hits you've got coyotes
0:41:20.760,0:41:25.680
it's hearing sound ining the day at
0:41:23.079,0:41:31.760
night you know they're getting hammered
0:41:25.680,0:41:34.160
but what 247 247 but what we did every
0:41:31.760,0:41:36.560
Coy that we called in came to a rabbit
0:41:34.160,0:41:39.160
distress but they came to a rabbit
0:41:36.560,0:41:42.400
distress that they have never heard
0:41:39.160,0:41:45.839
before in their lives so what I'm
0:41:42.400,0:41:47.000
getting at is mfk had this new sound
0:41:45.839,0:41:49.520
release we've got them on the
0:41:47.000,0:41:52.440
gofoxpro.com website and you can also
0:41:49.520,0:41:54.960
find them on mk's website but he just
0:41:52.440,0:41:56.839
released two new rabbits as well one of
0:41:54.960,0:41:59.800
them is called ctail
0:41:56.839,0:42:01.440
sauce and I really love the sound of
0:41:59.800,0:42:03.760
that rabbit and I said man I think this
0:42:01.440,0:42:05.920
is going to this is going to be a a good
0:42:03.760,0:42:08.359
one it's got some natural breaks in it
0:42:05.920,0:42:11.880
and stuff that I think Predators like
0:42:08.359,0:42:13.560
that adds realism to it and I said yep I
0:42:11.880,0:42:15.119
said we're going to try this you know
0:42:13.560,0:42:17.240
coyotes aren't coming good let's try
0:42:15.119,0:42:19.079
this new rabbit sound see what happens
0:42:17.240,0:42:22.119
guess what we started calling coyotes we
0:42:19.079,0:42:25.359
killed some old coyotes uh we had hard
0:42:22.119,0:42:27.640
Chargers uh I mean it was the difference
0:42:25.359,0:42:29.880
it was a brand new sound file a brand
0:42:27.640,0:42:32.720
new I guarantee you you know I burn up
0:42:29.880,0:42:34.280
Ki and Mrs mccale I burn them up and so
0:42:32.720,0:42:37.160
does everybody else in this area I think
0:42:34.280,0:42:39.240
if we played those type sounds on those
0:42:37.160,0:42:42.200
stands we' have blanked them but we
0:42:39.240,0:42:43.480
played a brand new rabbit yep brand new
0:42:42.200,0:42:45.839
rabbit that none of them heard and it
0:42:43.480,0:42:47.520
made the difference and we call Couts
0:42:45.839,0:42:49.440
and uh so it kind of shows the
0:42:47.520,0:42:52.520
differences in two different areas of
0:42:49.440,0:42:53.760
the world Al was in New Mexico and he he
0:42:52.520,0:42:55.559
was having them come to a little bit of
0:42:53.760,0:42:58.200
everything but really saw the breeding
0:42:55.559,0:43:00.400
type stuff shine well here the same
0:42:58.200,0:43:02.040
exact week same exact days I couldn't
0:43:00.400,0:43:03.960
buy one with a breeding type sound
0:43:02.040,0:43:05.800
during the daytime here in Kentucky but
0:43:03.960,0:43:07.440
I was calling them on that brand new
0:43:05.800,0:43:10.240
cocktail sauce from
0:43:07.440,0:43:12.440
mfk that's awesome the other thing I
0:43:10.240,0:43:14.839
noticed when we were out there John as
0:43:12.440,0:43:16.960
long as we had a wind out of the West
0:43:14.839,0:43:19.920
out of the Southwest out of the
0:43:16.960,0:43:22.280
northwesty I I I got that question for
0:43:19.920,0:43:25.079
you I want you to save that for two more
0:43:22.280,0:43:26.599
down cuz I got it I got that lined up
0:43:25.079,0:43:28.760
one thing I would want you to tell me
0:43:26.599,0:43:30.920
about to is a sound that you mentioned
0:43:28.760,0:43:32.640
earlier I wrote this down cuz I wanted
0:43:30.920,0:43:33.880
to hear your take on this cuz I think
0:43:32.640,0:43:38.520
this is probably one of the most
0:43:33.880,0:43:42.200
Overlook sounds in um any Library that's
0:43:38.520,0:43:44.640
V squeaks um you very rarely hear it
0:43:42.200,0:43:47.000
talked about you never see anybody
0:43:44.640,0:43:48.520
hardly ever mention it but man that's a
0:43:47.000,0:43:50.960
powerful sound it don't really sound
0:43:48.520,0:43:54.760
like much but it sure does call coyotes
0:43:50.960,0:43:58.839
don't it I can pull up 10 or 12 segments
0:43:54.760,0:44:02.040
of video where coyotes are 350 plus
0:43:58.839,0:44:05.000
yards away from me and I turn on Vol
0:44:02.040,0:44:07.520
squeaks and those coyotes look straight
0:44:05.000,0:44:13.160
at the collar and run straight to the
0:44:07.520,0:44:15.839
collar from four 350 plus yards and I'm
0:44:13.160,0:44:21.000
amazed they can hear it that far yep but
0:44:15.839,0:44:23.880
I'm amazed how powerful a 7 ounce V is
0:44:21.000,0:44:28.400
to a 30 lb coyote or a 25b coyote it's
0:44:23.880,0:44:30.760
an amazing amazing powerful sound and I
0:44:28.400,0:44:33.079
this week I would play the rabbit I'd
0:44:30.760,0:44:35.880
play the bird I'd go into the sister
0:44:33.079,0:44:39.359
pair a girl fight I'd do table scraps
0:44:35.880,0:44:42.640
I'd do Pound Town I'd do uh Dan
0:44:39.359,0:44:44.800
Mayhem and then I would play Vol squeaks
0:44:42.640,0:44:47.640
what what volume do you play that V
0:44:44.800,0:44:51.200
squeak sound I play that at 35 so you're
0:44:47.640,0:44:52.880
playing loud loud as I can usually the
0:44:51.200,0:44:56.040
wind's blowing to some degree in my
0:44:52.880,0:44:58.559
country so yeah I want I want it
0:44:56.040,0:45:00.240
reverberating out there I tell you what
0:44:58.559,0:45:03.920
what I've noticed about when you do turn
0:45:00.240,0:45:06.040
that volume up on both squeaks it almost
0:45:03.920,0:45:08.680
turns it into a two a different sound it
0:45:06.040,0:45:11.640
it almost sounds like a baby Cottontail
0:45:08.680,0:45:14.680
type sound to me no it's hyper and in
0:45:11.640,0:45:16.960
Canada at the end of or the end of
0:45:14.680,0:45:18.359
November I would play all these sounds
0:45:16.960,0:45:20.800
and I would turn on Vol squeaks and
0:45:18.359,0:45:23.359
coyotes were just showing up yep that we
0:45:20.800,0:45:25.040
didn't even know were there yep and then
0:45:23.359,0:45:26.640
coyotes would hang up they wouldn't come
0:45:25.040,0:45:29.040
and I'd turn on vol squeaks and they'd
0:45:26.640,0:45:31.319
come closer and give me that better shot
0:45:29.040,0:45:33.680
me and John bear did so well and I there
0:45:31.319,0:45:36.319
was four or five of those coyotes we can
0:45:33.680,0:45:39.000
add what one of the coyotes that was the
0:45:36.319,0:45:41.240
most coolest coyote is he's in these
0:45:39.000,0:45:43.440
Cliffs we're we're calling this bottom
0:45:41.240,0:45:44.920
and we look across from 300 yards in
0:45:43.440,0:45:47.440
these Cliffs there's a coyote right on
0:45:44.920,0:45:50.680
top of this hill and he sits down
0:45:47.440,0:45:54.240
looking and I'm playing I'm I am Force
0:45:50.680,0:45:56.839
feeding him everything on that tx1000 I
0:45:54.240,0:45:59.480
hit bull squeaks there that sucker comes
0:45:56.839,0:46:01.160
down gets off the skyline down where we
0:45:59.480,0:46:04.079
could shoot him and I shot that KY at
0:46:01.160,0:46:05.680
180 yards awesome awesome and John bear
0:46:04.079,0:46:09.079
was a good man went and got him for me
0:46:05.680,0:46:11.599
because I I rolled my ankle and uh poor
0:46:09.079,0:46:13.599
John some of the best pictures I've ever
0:46:11.599,0:46:16.119
taken on that cell phone of mine was him
0:46:13.599,0:46:19.520
dragging that coyote up out of that uh
0:46:16.119,0:46:22.000
the hoodo and the you know it looks like
0:46:19.520,0:46:23.880
the the Rough Country in South Dakota
0:46:22.000,0:46:26.400
but we're up there in Alberta well there
0:46:23.880,0:46:28.400
you go folks do not look overover V
0:46:26.400,0:46:31.040
squeaks almost everybody has that on
0:46:28.400,0:46:32.760
your Fox Pro take advantage of it it it
0:46:31.040,0:46:34.800
sound works I've seen it work in every
0:46:32.760,0:46:37.160
place I've ever tried to use it now I
0:46:34.800,0:46:39.720
want to get this I call it the finisher
0:46:37.160,0:46:41.599
The Finisher that that'd be a I've hey
0:46:39.720,0:46:43.599
that's a good bobcat sound too I've
0:46:41.599,0:46:46.119
called it I finished Bobcats off that
0:46:43.599,0:46:48.559
sound yes sir now let's get let's get to
0:46:46.119,0:46:50.520
that wind deal is fixing talk about Al
0:46:48.559,0:46:52.839
everyone knows the struggles you know we
0:46:50.520,0:46:54.760
can face with excessive wins you talked
0:46:52.839,0:46:57.280
about that earlier in this podcast with
0:46:54.760,0:47:00.440
the high Wis but what about wind
0:46:57.280,0:47:03.760
direction I've seen you and I've also
0:47:00.440,0:47:06.839
seen others mention that East Winds
0:47:03.760,0:47:07.920
steing the coyot movement at times and
0:47:06.839,0:47:09.599
then I've got I've got something
0:47:07.920,0:47:13.720
interesting to say after you give your
0:47:09.599,0:47:15.920
your take on this well and I know I I
0:47:13.720,0:47:18.480
know that it's not true everywhere but
0:47:15.920,0:47:20.760
in this Western United States it is not
0:47:18.480,0:47:22.440
a predominant wind direction right and I
0:47:20.760,0:47:24.599
really think it not being a predominant
0:47:22.440,0:47:26.920
wind direction when it comes out of the
0:47:24.599,0:47:28.720
East I really think it throws those
0:47:26.920,0:47:30.520
coyotes off their game now I was
0:47:28.720,0:47:33.240
watching a special the other day if a if
0:47:30.520,0:47:35.359
a red fox you see the red fox they jump
0:47:33.240,0:47:37.559
up in the air and dive into the snow
0:47:35.359,0:47:40.240
yeah oh yeah if they are facing any
0:47:37.559,0:47:42.240
other direction than True North the
0:47:40.240,0:47:44.200
scientist for whatever reason when they
0:47:42.240,0:47:46.119
studied these red fox when a red fox
0:47:44.200,0:47:49.040
Facing East when a red fox facing west
0:47:46.119,0:47:51.160
or facing south he's only about a 20%
0:47:49.040,0:47:53.079
success rate diving up and jumping into
0:47:51.160,0:47:54.680
the snow after them BS moles mice
0:47:53.079,0:47:56.480
whatever's in the snow banks that
0:47:54.680,0:47:59.960
they're trying when they're face in True
0:47:56.480,0:48:01.640
North they go to almost a 72 to 75%
0:47:59.960,0:48:03.800
success rate that's pretty wild I've
0:48:01.640,0:48:05.520
never heard of that that's wild so I
0:48:03.800,0:48:09.000
mean there's things in these animals we
0:48:05.520,0:48:11.520
don't understand you know as far as wind
0:48:09.000,0:48:13.559
direction facing certain directions and
0:48:11.520,0:48:15.960
I honestly think that East Wind when it
0:48:13.559,0:48:19.200
started blowing we rolled we killed four
0:48:15.960,0:48:22.040
coyotes by 10 o'clock that's a good day
0:48:19.200,0:48:27.119
anywhere oh yeah
0:48:22.040,0:48:31.000
and filing and all of a sudden that wind
0:48:27.119,0:48:33.480
gushes out of the East and we did not
0:48:31.000,0:48:35.880
see another coyote on that day three
0:48:33.480,0:48:38.000
well what's so what's so crazy about it
0:48:35.880,0:48:41.040
I S you know I talked to you and you
0:48:38.000,0:48:43.280
mentioned that to me and like the same
0:48:41.040,0:48:46.680
week you know people hunting the same
0:48:43.280,0:48:48.440
time period out west in western states
0:48:46.680,0:48:49.960
um I seen them mention the same thing
0:48:48.440,0:48:51.559
they talking about they having pretty
0:48:49.960,0:48:53.440
good hunting and then the wind switched
0:48:51.559,0:48:56.520
out of the East and it just died for
0:48:53.440,0:48:58.720
them yep and I just think it's because
0:48:56.520,0:49:00.640
it throws those coyotes off their game
0:48:58.720,0:49:02.799
they're used to approaching those areas
0:49:00.640,0:49:04.839
they hunt you know whether it's the
0:49:02.799,0:49:06.400
Prairie Dog Den whether it's the rabbits
0:49:04.839,0:49:08.920
whether it's the voles the moles
0:49:06.400,0:49:12.720
whatever the the kangaroo rats yep I
0:49:08.920,0:49:16.079
think they've learned to hunt downwind
0:49:12.720,0:49:17.359
you know western wind right Southwest
0:49:16.079,0:49:19.280
Northwest doesn't matter it's a
0:49:17.359,0:49:21.240
predominant West Wind when that comes
0:49:19.280,0:49:23.400
out of the East it completely throws
0:49:21.240,0:49:25.359
them off their game they just I think
0:49:23.400,0:49:26.040
rather than fight what they don't
0:49:25.359,0:49:28.160
understand
0:49:26.040,0:49:31.599
they just lay down right and shut her
0:49:28.160,0:49:34.200
down and they won't and they know that
0:49:31.599,0:49:35.599
anything soundwise you got to be really
0:49:34.200,0:49:36.760
close to get them up out of their beds
0:49:35.599,0:49:39.079
when they lay down and they're not
0:49:36.760,0:49:40.680
hunting well you know that's that's
0:49:39.079,0:49:42.920
extremely interesting because I've heard
0:49:40.680,0:49:44.599
you say it a few times I've seen Kay
0:49:42.920,0:49:47.200
Reed say it multiple times you know when
0:49:44.599,0:49:48.680
he was doing that KY today challenge he
0:49:47.200,0:49:51.000
mentioned something about struggling
0:49:48.680,0:49:53.400
when the wind was out of the East I've
0:49:51.000,0:49:56.799
seen a couple other guys mention it as
0:49:53.400,0:50:00.280
well but the funny thing is um East
0:49:56.799,0:50:02.760
Winds Kansas Kansas and and here in home
0:50:00.280,0:50:04.440
one of the crazy things about here is we
0:50:02.760,0:50:07.119
rarely get East Wind as well I mean we
0:50:04.440,0:50:08.720
get East Winds but seems like right here
0:50:07.119,0:50:11.000
most time it's a West Wind it's either
0:50:08.720,0:50:13.280
west or south or something in between
0:50:11.000,0:50:15.280
you know West Southwest Southwest or
0:50:13.280,0:50:16.720
whatever we do get winds out the north
0:50:15.280,0:50:19.040
always look forward to the north winds
0:50:16.720,0:50:21.119
we always call call good for those but
0:50:19.040,0:50:23.680
we do get the East Winds and the
0:50:21.119,0:50:25.640
difference for me is we still have
0:50:23.680,0:50:27.960
success with the East Winds and it's
0:50:25.640,0:50:31.079
actually I think what it what it does
0:50:27.960,0:50:34.520
for me Al I think it it keeps me in
0:50:31.079,0:50:37.160
fresh year Couts because I've got a set
0:50:34.520,0:50:39.559
of s a set of stands that I never call
0:50:37.160,0:50:41.559
I've got to have East a little bit of
0:50:39.559,0:50:43.040
East in the wind to be able to hunt them
0:50:41.559,0:50:45.119
I mean just there's just no way to hunt
0:50:43.040,0:50:47.720
them you you guys see the videos you see
0:50:45.119,0:50:49.960
how our country is laid out um there's
0:50:47.720,0:50:52.319
just certain times certain places you
0:50:49.960,0:50:54.760
can't hunt unless you've got that East
0:50:52.319,0:50:56.799
in in the wind and the crazy thing is
0:50:54.760,0:51:00.680
those are high highly productive stands
0:50:56.799,0:51:03.920
but I think what it is uh un unpressured
0:51:00.680,0:51:06.440
I'm on Fresh CS I set up close to them
0:51:03.920,0:51:08.400
and they come good now if it was a more
0:51:06.440,0:51:10.559
situational thing like you guys run into
0:51:08.400,0:51:13.079
out west it might be a total different
0:51:10.559,0:51:14.640
ball game but I I find that extremely
0:51:13.079,0:51:17.079
interesting how it shuts your alls
0:51:14.640,0:51:20.559
calling down out there in the west but
0:51:17.079,0:51:21.880
here in in here that I still do pretty
0:51:20.559,0:51:23.319
good and then another thing we talked
0:51:21.880,0:51:26.280
about Kansas when I first started going
0:51:23.319,0:51:27.880
to Kansas years and years and years go
0:51:26.280,0:51:30.920
it seemed like you always had you know
0:51:27.880,0:51:32.559
your north and west and south but some
0:51:30.920,0:51:33.960
reason that area that we call you seem
0:51:32.559,0:51:35.920
like you run into a East Wind just as
0:51:33.960,0:51:37.359
much as you do anything else and and we
0:51:35.920,0:51:39.119
always burn them up in that country no
0:51:37.359,0:51:40.960
matter what the wind is unless it's
0:51:39.119,0:51:44.400
extreme excessive high
0:51:40.960,0:51:47.400
winds right and it's just you know when
0:51:44.400,0:51:48.799
a guy has a weekend you know I realize
0:51:47.400,0:51:50.200
some of you guys are hardworking
0:51:48.799,0:51:51.559
Americans you're out there doing your
0:51:50.200,0:51:52.839
best and you only get one day to call
0:51:51.559,0:51:54.559
and if it's an East Wind you're still
0:51:52.839,0:51:56.160
going to call it and God bless you
0:51:54.559,0:51:58.920
because you've got to that's your day to
0:51:56.160,0:52:02.559
go call coyotes so don't let it deter
0:51:58.920,0:52:04.040
you but just know that in my country
0:52:02.559,0:52:06.720
it's probably going to cut your numbers
0:52:04.040,0:52:08.440
down from a successful day that's a West
0:52:06.720,0:52:10.559
wi versus an East wi I really think
0:52:08.440,0:52:12.400
it'll cut my day by three quarters and
0:52:10.559,0:52:16.200
and it could be it could be like that
0:52:12.400,0:52:18.079
here to or anywhere else in the country
0:52:16.200,0:52:20.280
U you know there could be something to
0:52:18.079,0:52:21.680
that East Wind you know for everybody I
0:52:20.280,0:52:23.319
don't know but like I'm saying here it's
0:52:21.680,0:52:25.599
just I'm hitting some of those stands
0:52:23.319,0:52:28.160
that you know that might not get called
0:52:25.599,0:52:29.520
once a year once every two years
0:52:28.160,0:52:31.440
something like that so you know like
0:52:29.520,0:52:32.960
right now I'd love to have East Twin to
0:52:31.440,0:52:34.720
go hunt a couple stanes right down the
0:52:32.960,0:52:36.160
road here and I know I'll call it cop
0:52:34.720,0:52:37.720
but I can't call it till I get an East
0:52:36.160,0:52:39.040
win and I ain't seen an East win in a
0:52:37.720,0:52:42.240
long
0:52:39.040,0:52:44.000
time well I think it's awesome I I think
0:52:42.240,0:52:46.319
what you've done with this podcast John
0:52:44.000,0:52:48.640
is is amazing I hope that you people out
0:52:46.319,0:52:51.359
there have picked up a nugget that you
0:52:48.640,0:52:52.599
can put in that that bag of tricks and
0:52:51.359,0:52:54.680
go out there and make you more
0:52:52.599,0:52:57.359
successful with the fox Pros I
0:52:54.680,0:52:58.960
appreciate you kind words there there Al
0:52:57.359,0:53:02.880
uh I do have a couple more questions for
0:52:58.960,0:53:05.720
you though let's go what about uh what
0:53:02.880,0:53:08.160
do you think what's your opinion on the
0:53:05.720,0:53:11.000
effect that the moon phase has on kyot
0:53:08.160,0:53:12.640
col you see a lot of people talk about
0:53:11.000,0:53:15.319
uh full moons you see the full moon
0:53:12.640,0:53:17.119
topic come up a lot uh for daytime and
0:53:15.319,0:53:19.520
nighttime hunting you know we're not
0:53:17.119,0:53:21.440
biologist by no means uh we're not
0:53:19.520,0:53:24.680
trying to act like we are biologists but
0:53:21.440,0:53:27.640
we we are outdoorsmen uh we are woodsmen
0:53:24.680,0:53:30.640
and we spend a ton a lot of days in the
0:53:27.640,0:53:32.760
field time in the field so just from
0:53:30.640,0:53:34.799
what you've seen what your past
0:53:32.760,0:53:37.040
experiences what do you think about moon
0:53:34.799,0:53:40.319
moon phases do you pay much attention to
0:53:37.040,0:53:42.400
them or well You' got to you've really
0:53:40.319,0:53:45.280
got to and I mean I've kept a journal
0:53:42.400,0:53:47.400
since I 16 with elk you know I just put
0:53:45.280,0:53:51.640
my knife in number 800 that I've put a
0:53:47.400,0:53:55.280
knife in 800 elk now and the full moon
0:53:51.640,0:53:57.480
can really be a tricky animal on on all
0:53:55.280,0:53:59.040
these animals we hunt whether it's deer
0:53:57.480,0:54:00.920
you've you've seen it with your deer
0:53:59.040,0:54:02.760
I've seen it with the elk and I know
0:54:00.920,0:54:04.480
I've seen it with the coyotes and and
0:54:02.760,0:54:07.240
the problem with the world championship
0:54:04.480,0:54:09.599
it's always it's always been those 22 24
0:54:07.240,0:54:12.839
years we competed every World
0:54:09.599,0:54:14.799
Championship um it's always that first
0:54:12.839,0:54:18.839
week of December so that moon phase is
0:54:14.799,0:54:20.480
always different every year and uh man
0:54:18.839,0:54:23.799
there was years that we had to hunt the
0:54:20.480,0:54:26.280
full moon and we crushed them I mean we
0:54:23.799,0:54:28.680
we just destroyed them and then you know
0:54:26.280,0:54:31.880
a few years later we're in a full moon
0:54:28.680,0:54:34.720
condition and we cannot buy a coyote and
0:54:31.880,0:54:39.359
I looked at the at the the fronts and
0:54:34.720,0:54:41.839
the winds and the pressures and they're
0:54:39.359,0:54:43.960
very similar to the years we crushed but
0:54:41.839,0:54:46.559
yet we failed right and then there was
0:54:43.960,0:54:50.040
times I'd have in my book do not go out
0:54:46.559,0:54:53.119
on this this this Southeast wind with a
0:54:50.040,0:54:55.640
3/4 Moon uh it was terrible and we went
0:54:53.119,0:54:58.040
out Southeast wind 3/4 Moon Moon and we
0:54:55.640,0:55:00.160
crushed right so there's no what you
0:54:58.040,0:55:02.200
would say is there's you feel like
0:55:00.160,0:55:04.400
there's times it affects it but you you
0:55:02.200,0:55:06.359
can't string anything together that says
0:55:04.400,0:55:08.599
that there's any absolutes to John I've
0:55:06.359,0:55:10.319
done this my whole adult life and I'm
0:55:08.599,0:55:14.160
going to write a hell of a book someday
0:55:10.319,0:55:17.319
with you probably I'll read it cannot I
0:55:14.160,0:55:19.079
cannot tell you but you know and it's
0:55:17.319,0:55:20.720
those guys that night hunt they got to
0:55:19.079,0:55:22.280
avoid that full moon because that full
0:55:20.720,0:55:24.359
Moon's like daylight they're going to
0:55:22.280,0:55:26.359
see you you when you hunt at night with
0:55:24.359,0:55:28.799
thermal you better hunt full moon like
0:55:26.359,0:55:30.680
it's daylight stands you better hide see
0:55:28.799,0:55:32.400
I see you you better stay on the ground
0:55:30.680,0:55:34.039
and you better hide because they'll see
0:55:32.400,0:55:35.720
you as they're coming in Hell a three
0:55:34.039,0:55:37.720
quter Moon they'll see you with thermal
0:55:35.720,0:55:40.880
if you're standing out there on tripods
0:55:37.720,0:55:42.920
so um let me ask it to you this way
0:55:40.880,0:55:46.079
because it sounds like you you've had
0:55:42.920,0:55:49.359
success and you have struggled with all
0:55:46.079,0:55:51.400
moon phases oh yeah and and all wind
0:55:49.359,0:55:54.240
directions except for maybe that East
0:55:51.400,0:55:55.640
but uh uh what about let's say you was
0:55:54.240,0:55:57.760
planning a trip
0:55:55.640,0:56:01.200
like Mike calls you and he says hey I
0:55:57.760,0:56:02.680
need you to go somewhere and November
0:56:01.200,0:56:05.119
you pick whatever month it is you said
0:56:02.680,0:56:06.720
you pick anytime but you know just we
0:56:05.119,0:56:08.119
want to make sure it's a good trip so
0:56:06.720,0:56:10.039
you're looking at that month like well
0:56:08.119,0:56:11.920
I've got a full moon here and I've got
0:56:10.039,0:56:14.960
this Moon doing this going the other way
0:56:11.920,0:56:17.200
or whatever will you if you're
0:56:14.960,0:56:19.000
scheduling a hunt out will you pay
0:56:17.200,0:56:22.240
attention to what that moon phase is
0:56:19.000,0:56:25.200
just for your confidence I love a sliver
0:56:22.240,0:56:26.760
moon to a quarter moon so if you if you
0:56:25.200,0:56:28.680
had your choice what to hunt that's what
0:56:26.760,0:56:31.240
it'd be yeah no I'm going to go to that
0:56:28.680,0:56:33.440
sliver quarter moon because I really
0:56:31.240,0:56:35.280
think it's enough light that if they
0:56:33.440,0:56:36.960
really want to get up and move at night
0:56:35.280,0:56:39.240
but it's not going to be so bright that
0:56:36.960,0:56:41.920
they can hunt all night yeah and I
0:56:39.240,0:56:44.000
really think if I'm day calling I want
0:56:41.920,0:56:45.559
that sliver quarter if I'm night calling
0:56:44.000,0:56:49.599
I want that sliver quarter because I
0:56:45.559,0:56:53.160
don't want to be seen as much and then I
0:56:49.599,0:56:55.799
kind of think I want it uh waxing versus
0:56:53.160,0:56:57.720
waning I want it want that full moon
0:56:55.799,0:56:59.359
coming because I think those they
0:56:57.720,0:57:01.359
they've hit that Dark of the Moon they
0:56:59.359,0:57:02.680
haven't been able to hunt much at night
0:57:01.359,0:57:06.200
and they're starting to get a little
0:57:02.680,0:57:09.599
light and I just see in my journals in
0:57:06.200,0:57:12.240
my records that those coyotes are hungry
0:57:09.599,0:57:16.319
and starting to become more aggressive
0:57:12.240,0:57:18.000
in their in in day and night and I think
0:57:16.319,0:57:20.520
I think it kind of stresses them when
0:57:18.000,0:57:23.440
it's a dark moon and I've been out in
0:57:20.520,0:57:25.720
Dark Moon thermaling and the coyotes
0:57:23.440,0:57:27.480
don't move right think they know they're
0:57:25.720,0:57:29.440
not going to see anything so these guys
0:57:27.480,0:57:31.119
that wait for dark moons to go out at
0:57:29.440,0:57:33.599
night you might be shooting yourself in
0:57:31.119,0:57:36.119
the foot I think you want to you want
0:57:33.599,0:57:38.960
that quarter moon either way waxing
0:57:36.119,0:57:42.400
waning but the as it the growing moon
0:57:38.960,0:57:45.799
seems to be that's my personal if I had
0:57:42.400,0:57:47.559
to choose one Moon if I had to you said
0:57:45.799,0:57:49.400
you've got to go kill coyotes on this
0:57:47.559,0:57:52.240
Moon day or night what moon is it it's
0:57:49.400,0:57:55.000
that sliver to quarter and it's a waxing
0:57:52.240,0:57:56.520
it's growing and uh I guarantee all
0:57:55.000,0:57:58.960
shoot more coyotes than the waning
0:57:56.520,0:58:00.760
quarter to where it's going away okay
0:57:58.960,0:58:04.720
good stuff good stuff I got one more
0:58:00.760,0:58:07.599
question for you here um what effect do
0:58:04.720,0:58:10.400
you think temps have kyot Colin when I
0:58:07.599,0:58:12.839
say that I'm talking about like warmer
0:58:10.400,0:58:16.480
than warmer than average and colder than
0:58:12.839,0:58:19.359
average type stuff yeah I know I mean so
0:58:16.480,0:58:21.559
coyotes in Arizona New Mexico uh Old
0:58:19.359,0:58:22.839
Mexico 104 degrees temperatures they
0:58:21.559,0:58:25.319
still got to they're still going to go
0:58:22.839,0:58:28.680
out mostly in in the late stands or
0:58:25.319,0:58:30.079
early stands in the morning um my my
0:58:28.680,0:58:34.000
temperature up through the Inner
0:58:30.079,0:58:37.400
Mountain West Montana Idaho Utah Wyoming
0:58:34.000,0:58:38.920
Nevada 66 degrees if it's above 66 your
0:58:37.400,0:58:41.319
calling rates will go down you got to be
0:58:38.920,0:58:42.880
closer to them if it's below 66 degrees
0:58:41.319,0:58:46.039
they'll go all day if it's below 50
0:58:42.880,0:58:48.119
degrees they'll go all day easy yeah and
0:58:46.039,0:58:50.880
but the problem is if it's in the if
0:58:48.119,0:58:53.640
it's in the teens the low temperatures
0:58:50.880,0:58:55.720
they may not they may not uncurl that
0:58:53.640,0:58:57.240
tail off their face till 10:00 a.m.
0:58:55.720,0:59:00.400
right wait for it to warm up a little
0:58:57.240,0:59:01.160
bit they are not interested in some of
0:59:00.400,0:59:03.640
these
0:59:01.160,0:59:05.039
coyotes I've proven It Through The Years
0:59:03.640,0:59:06.359
we'll get up there at first light
0:59:05.039,0:59:08.400
thinking that first stand of the day is
0:59:06.359,0:59:10.839
going to rock and it's just too damn
0:59:08.400,0:59:13.319
cold those coyotes know nothing else is
0:59:10.839,0:59:14.280
moving in that cold cold cold weather
0:59:13.319,0:59:15.799
and they know they're going to be able
0:59:14.280,0:59:17.880
to hunt all day and they may be hunted
0:59:15.799,0:59:20.160
some of the night they're going to rest
0:59:17.880,0:59:22.240
save their energy and about that 10
0:59:20.160,0:59:25.240
o'clock they're going to start moving
0:59:22.240,0:59:27.640
stretching I see people all the time
0:59:25.240,0:59:29.720
especially on social media they'll see
0:59:27.640,0:59:31.720
some cold weather coming and that's the
0:59:29.720,0:59:34.119
first thing you see oh we're gonna burn
0:59:31.720,0:59:36.920
them up come Saturday it's supposed to
0:59:34.119,0:59:39.440
drop from 45 down to 15 we're going to
0:59:36.920,0:59:41.359
burn them up drop down single digits it
0:59:39.440,0:59:44.280
doesn't shocks them it's almost like
0:59:41.359,0:59:46.960
it's got to be now say it drops down to
0:59:44.280,0:59:47.880
single digits from 40 being mild down to
0:59:46.960,0:59:50.640
single
0:59:47.880,0:59:52.200
digits like you said it it I've what
0:59:50.640,0:59:54.160
I've seen over the years is the same
0:59:52.200,0:59:56.319
exact thing it shocks them in that first
0:59:54.160,0:59:58.280
day or so so they won't hardly move at
0:59:56.319,1:00:01.440
all it's like they're conserving energy
0:59:58.280,1:00:04.319
or whatever but after like two or 3 days
1:00:01.440,1:00:07.240
of that consecutive Cod temps you'll see
1:00:04.319,1:00:09.640
them start moving in that's because
1:00:07.240,1:00:12.160
their stomachs are like hey let's go you
1:00:09.640,1:00:14.760
gota do something yeah so no and it's
1:00:12.160,1:00:17.000
just it it's not rocket science it
1:00:14.760,1:00:19.839
really isn't these coyotes they are the
1:00:17.000,1:00:22.680
ultimate survivors they are the ultimate
1:00:19.839,1:00:25.000
at conserving energy because if they
1:00:22.680,1:00:26.960
they go on a Fool's errand and they burn
1:00:25.000,1:00:29.880
energy up and then they can't replenish
1:00:26.960,1:00:31.720
it it could cost them their lives yeah
1:00:29.880,1:00:34.599
and and so I really think you need to
1:00:31.720,1:00:37.079
re-evaluate that hunting him in Alberta
1:00:34.599,1:00:39.720
in it was minus 20 when we got out of
1:00:37.079,1:00:42.960
the truck and it had been that way for a
1:00:39.720,1:00:45.240
week yeah and those coyotes were up and
1:00:42.960,1:00:47.079
Hunt they had to eat to survive you know
1:00:45.240,1:00:49.680
like you know that that's the difference
1:00:47.079,1:00:51.440
too all areas of the country is
1:00:49.680,1:00:53.880
different so like when you do get up in
1:00:51.440,1:00:55.480
those northern states and up in Canada
1:00:53.880,1:00:56.880
man they're used to to the code I mean
1:00:55.480,1:00:59.520
you know what I mean they you know I'm
1:00:56.880,1:01:01.799
talking about like unseasonably warmer
1:00:59.520,1:01:03.520
than average and unseasonably colder
1:01:01.799,1:01:05.880
than average for whatever reasion it is
1:01:03.520,1:01:07.760
you can see issues you know I've called
1:01:05.880,1:01:10.160
even right here at home I've called
1:01:07.760,1:01:13.319
coyotes and triple digit temps and I've
1:01:10.160,1:01:15.480
called kyot and negative you know below
1:01:13.319,1:01:17.240
zero type temps so you can call them and
1:01:15.480,1:01:19.160
everything but I've always told people
1:01:17.240,1:01:21.920
hey you know they'll see at code stuff
1:01:19.160,1:01:25.599
coming and get excited hey yeah give me
1:01:21.920,1:01:28.799
45 to 55 Degree Days
1:01:25.599,1:01:30.079
and I'll I guarantee I kill more KY
1:01:28.799,1:01:31.240
they're more comfortable themselves I
1:01:30.079,1:01:32.799
mean you'll just you know that's just
1:01:31.240,1:01:35.000
how it is what I've always seen give me
1:01:32.799,1:01:37.440
those mild temps and I'm gonna do a lot
1:01:35.000,1:01:40.480
better and hey this is the fox Pro
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hit the nail right on the head with that
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