FOXPRO's Jon Collins and MFK's Torry Cook discuss their opinions on hunting coyotes during different moon phases and weather conditions.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast on this
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episode we're discussing the effect that
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the moon weather and temperature has on
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coyot movement joining us once again is
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Tory cook of mfk game calls how's it
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going Tor all going pretty good watching
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it rain here watching it rain have yall
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had any bad code temps or snow down
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down that way yeah we have been you know
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I'm deep south I'm right right above
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Louisana line South
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Arkansas and we've had it's rare but
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we've had ice and snow more ice than
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anything and when that happens here
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you'd think the world had shut down
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because it shuts it down down here we
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hadn't had I think the mail just started
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running again within the last day or two
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and they still don't have schools open
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got a ball order in effect on the water
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so really it's it's finally the
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temperature is supposed to get up close
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to I think in the 50s today so the last
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of the ice I'm looking at it right now
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that's rain the ice and snow has turned
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to rain and so it's melting everything
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off right now I'm glad of it it's good
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nasty now right well I mean uh this
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podcast won't be out for for a couple
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weeks but you know here it's been pretty
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nasty as well we we actually had like
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six or seven inches of snow on the
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ground which is a really good snow for
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us here and same thing kids been out of
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school for for over a week actually I
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you know I still got a boy in high
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school and my wife's a high school
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teacher they're both here at home today
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so I think tomorrow's going to be their
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first day back man they ain't been much
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since Christmas break so
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anyway it's it has a way of shutting us
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down too and you know we're kind of used
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to little bit of snow every winter so I
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can imagine what it's like down in your
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area oh I tell you a funny story real
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quick about it just to show you how how
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odd the way well the grocery stores sell
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out everything if you can get to them
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but they brought in some snow plows this
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year and they was gonna plow off these
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highways yeah well we got out here and
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we met one of the snow plows and they've
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got they ain't got much experience
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running these plows because they was
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going down the highway and the plow was
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hitting the you know it was hitting the
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pavement ever so often so it was a patch
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of ice and in a bare spot and in a patch
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of ice was just setting it up for
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disaster and then Sunday morning uh Ian
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Grace and gmboy they was all going to
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church and uh we was coming in behind
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them and they was in the ditch over on
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the side one of them spots snowplow
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missed they done them cut them a couple
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donuts and went across the highway and
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they W very fast but slid down in the
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ditch and got
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stuck anyway glad nobody got hurt yeah
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nobody got hurt he was able to we was
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actually able there was nothing to hook
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to and uh anyway we was able to push
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them out but they just they ain't
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prepared for the snow and ice down here
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and there's a girl that moved down here
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from Ohio and they was laughing about it
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oh man I'm imagine right now everybody
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that listen to this up north they're
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like what in the world they talking
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about shutting things down for snow oh
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ain't nothing to
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it he shut everything down here yeah
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yeah bu well like I said earlier the
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topic of this podcast is the effect that
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the moon weather and temperature has on
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coyote movement way I see it Tori is the
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perfect guess for this topic because
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Tori has has personally helped raise
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multiple lits of coyotes in a wild
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environment the coyotes that Tor records
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sounds from are Freer ranging animals
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and Tori Tori is around these animals on
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a daily basis and gets a front row seat
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to a cow's day-to-day life now that
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being said
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Tori and myself neither one of us are
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biologists but we are outdoorsmen and
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I'd consider us uh Woodsman wouldn't you
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Tori oh that's that's my number one
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thing above above all being a Woodsman
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yeah pride yourself on that you know we
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spend a a ton of time in the outdoors I
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mean daily so what be what we'll be
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sharing with you guys on this episode is
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just that it it's our opinions and views
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on on the topics some of you are going
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to agree with us and some of you are
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going to going to disagree but we'll get
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right to it tor the first thing I want
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to ask you is how often do you get the
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question referring to Moon weather and
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temperature and how it plays a role on
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how coyotes act it it comes up several
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times a year you know just through
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messages or conversation and sometimes
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it's on coow and sometimes it's on deer
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but I think it all pretty well relates
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and I'm glad you throw that disclaimer
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out there right off the bat cuz that's
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one of the things I was going to start
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out with is you know I've got buddies
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and know people and myself included that
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have believed in certain things you know
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Moon whatever whatever it may be
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temperature barometric pressure and
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that's one a lot of times it gets heated
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and controversial because everybody's
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got a difference of opinion on it right
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and so I just want to start out and
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say if you believe in it and you think
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it helps you then keep doing it you know
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it's it's you know not telling you not
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to do anything or to do anything just as
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strictly like you said opinions based
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off of of observation and stuff that
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I've kept up with and and tried to
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document and track because I was trying
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to make a you know a connection to some
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of these things so yeah yeah but yeah
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you know I get the I get I get the
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question and and we as a as a company
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get that question a lot as as well and
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you know I don't really know how to
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answer it at times cuz I don't keep up
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with those type of Records very much you
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know I'm one of those type of people and
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I tell and this is what I tell everybody
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you know no matter what's going on if if
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you have the time to go hunting no
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matter what situation is out there with
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moon and temperature and all that type
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of stuff if you got a few days off
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weekend off whatever and you're chomping
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at the bit to go hunting way I see it if
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you've got the ground and you can have
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that wind in your favor to call coyotes
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go pour it on them but you know there
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could be factors out there that that we
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can't see that could you know I'm not
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going to say either way for a fact 100%
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fact you know I'm one of those type
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people having a certain beliefs as well
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but uh you know it's a it could be a
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touchy subject I've read articles listen
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to other podcast watched video clips and
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stuff of like some studies that uh
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certain like say deer biologists do on
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studies for moon phases and and deer
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movement and they'll say one thing and
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then you might watch a big you know
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certain a deer hunting outdoor
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personality that Stacks big bucks every
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year multiples of them in multiple
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different states and they swear by going
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by a moon phase chart and stuff like
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that so you know do you believe somebody
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out there with a firsthand hunting
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experience or do you believe the
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scientist you know or do you kind of mix
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them I don't know but
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anyway U have you have you noticed any
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kind of increase or decrease and
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activity with the cows that you all have
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raised in reference to moon phas and it
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can be any moon face you know moon face
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across the across the board right no I I
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have not just to keep it short and
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simple no and that's something that I
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that I have kept up with and and even
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backdated with you know some stuff
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concerning the moon not only the moon
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phase but also the moon position
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overhead underfoot that's stuff of
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people to get into a lot but no I have
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not noticed any difference in their
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movement as it correlates to the moon
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phase at all now there have been times
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where I've seen them be very active one
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day and so I'll I'll take note of that
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and it may correlate with you know some
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of the things you hear about the Moon
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being completely dark or something
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they're up real active during the
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daytime
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and you know so I think maybe I'm on to
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something well for every time that's
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happened I've also had those times where
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you know you got a full moon and they're
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just as active you know it's not so it
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everything it'll there's contradictions
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to it so as far as trying to get any
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kind of reliable prediction or anything
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consistent with their movement as it
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relates to the Moon I hadn't seen that
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at all because for every day that you've
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got they're real active and up and about
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and Howling and they act excit you know
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I get to see them at closer close range
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and I'm paying attention to that stuff
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and actually documenting it and have for
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several years now paid attention to that
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stuff and there's there's just nothing I
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hadn't seen anything that predicted that
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will predicted because for every really
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good day you'll have you'll have a bad
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day that has those same conditions that
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same Moon pace and so no I hadn't found
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anything you know to go on right and
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when you when you're taking notes and
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and you know logging data like that are
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you keeping up with the moon phase
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humidity temperature just pretty much
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everything that you can canile in there
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to see if you can see some kind of
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pattern I mainly looked at three things
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you know when when I was doing it it was
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just overall weather conditions mainly
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the wind wind speed stuff like that wind
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direction the
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temperature um barometric pressure I
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guess it' be four things or right
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depends on how you want to break it down
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because when I look at the moon phase
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I'm looking at what they refer to as the
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major and minor yep and also the the
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moon phase so there's multiple factors
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you know right as it relates to the moon
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so I would look at the moon phase the
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moon position overhead underfoot and
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then that's the major what they would
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call the major and then the minor move
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time is that moon rise moon set and so
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when you that was another thing I got
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into with the moon stuff you start
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looking at all these factors the the
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moon phase the major minor
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times and it gives you a lot of stuff to
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attach to movement if you're trying to
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so if you're trying to to you know if
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you're watching these Cs and you go look
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at all these different factors you can
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usually find something to attach to it
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if that's what you're trying to do but
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if you do it long enough you'll find out
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that that
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typ there's usually something else
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driving it and there's so many factors
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like is it breeding season you know is
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it uping season you know those things
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are what really seem to factor how they
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move more so than the moon phase or
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anything like that right I mean I guess
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soon as you think you're on to something
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with with the some kind of factor
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whether it's the moon or whatever you
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always find a group of coyotes or a
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stretch of coyotes it kind of proves
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their thing that you thought you knew
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wrong sort of thing right yeah and you
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need it's so hard to it from a study
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standpoint I guess or research
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experiment you know you need that
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constant control that's almost
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impossible to have you know you need
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multiple days of the same weather
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conditions you know same same everything
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yeah to really decide on it but on those
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let's say you get that stretch where you
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have you know two weeks of weather
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that's very similar and that's when I re
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have really been able
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to document that what those CS are doing
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and say that from one day to the next I
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see flareups and movement on one day and
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then the next day is very similar
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conditions pretty much the same or as
0:12:15.880,0:12:20.040
close as you could get to being the same
0:12:18.360,0:12:22.399
and those CS will be laying around doing
0:12:20.040,0:12:24.880
nothing that day yeah so it's just up
0:12:22.399,0:12:27.480
and down with with what and usually
0:12:24.880,0:12:29.560
there's kind of you know to keep it
0:12:27.480,0:12:32.680
simple usually there's just their
0:12:29.560,0:12:34.959
typical natural behavior which is moving
0:12:32.680,0:12:37.120
Dusk and Dawn and more throughout the
0:12:34.959,0:12:40.320
night for a CO right so that's what you
0:12:37.120,0:12:42.680
usually see so regardless of those moon
0:12:40.320,0:12:46.320
phases right well say in reference with
0:12:42.680,0:12:48.839
the moon phases what about actual coyote
0:12:46.320,0:12:50.680
hunting have you seen any consistent
0:12:48.839,0:12:53.279
differences in being able to call a
0:12:50.680,0:12:55.639
coyote in with Fox Pro you know using
0:12:53.279,0:12:57.880
your sounds using Fox Pro Sounds during
0:12:55.639,0:13:01.040
different moon phases or you know or
0:12:57.880,0:13:03.480
same same results what you just saying
0:13:01.040,0:13:05.000
before pretty much the same result I've
0:13:03.480,0:13:07.320
had those days where I've went out and
0:13:05.000,0:13:09.600
had a had a killer day and the Moon is
0:13:07.320,0:13:11.880
dark you know it's a it's a dark moon
0:13:09.600,0:13:13.880
and I said man that's that's that's
0:13:11.880,0:13:16.480
helping me out and then I've had days
0:13:13.880,0:13:18.240
where there's a full moon and had just
0:13:16.480,0:13:20.560
as good a day if not better and
0:13:18.240,0:13:23.199
everything in between had bad days on
0:13:20.560,0:13:25.959
both had good days on both you know it's
0:13:23.199,0:13:27.800
just back and forth but I know early on
0:13:25.959,0:13:30.440
we first started hunting and doing a lot
0:13:27.800,0:13:32.880
of locating how and stuff like that my
0:13:30.440,0:13:35.399
buddy Carri Wayne and I were Bo if we
0:13:32.880,0:13:37.160
had a bad night and didn't hear much or
0:13:35.399,0:13:39.480
blamed it on the next morning and it
0:13:37.160,0:13:42.120
didn't see nothing well first thing you
0:13:39.480,0:13:45.079
know boy there's that Moon yeah so
0:13:42.120,0:13:47.040
that's we we wanted something to blame
0:13:45.079,0:13:49.639
it on you know wanted a
0:13:47.040,0:13:52.199
reason that was easy that was an easy
0:13:49.639,0:13:53.560
one to blame it on was it jumped right
0:13:52.199,0:13:55.360
out especially when it's sitting there
0:13:53.560,0:13:57.560
looking at you so yeah you know it's
0:13:55.360,0:14:00.199
easy everybody wants a reason or an
0:13:57.560,0:14:01.759
excuse or whatever for both good and bad
0:14:00.199,0:14:04.480
you're looking for a reason for why it
0:14:01.759,0:14:07.519
was so much better this day or why it
0:14:04.480,0:14:10.160
was terrible the next and I think we
0:14:07.519,0:14:13.120
attach after doing this so long I think
0:14:10.160,0:14:15.959
we attach it to stuff that probably
0:14:13.120,0:14:17.440
doesn't factor in I'm not g I can't
0:14:15.959,0:14:20.040
prove it one way or the other I'm not
0:14:17.440,0:14:22.240
gonna say there's maybe not some minor
0:14:20.040,0:14:25.480
percentage on certain days but I think
0:14:22.240,0:14:29.399
it's so minor and so inconsistent that
0:14:25.480,0:14:32.399
there's no way to to reliably predict
0:14:29.399,0:14:36.320
anything you're right right well you
0:14:32.399,0:14:38.959
know I see several cow hunters you know
0:14:36.320,0:14:42.360
across the country that seem to have
0:14:38.959,0:14:45.079
like a lunar based belief in in kyot
0:14:42.360,0:14:48.240
movement um you know we see the topic of
0:14:45.079,0:14:50.040
of Full Moon pop up a lot see it
0:14:48.240,0:14:52.560
mentioned with nighttime and daytime
0:14:50.040,0:14:54.040
kyot Colin you know some people will say
0:14:52.560,0:14:55.720
you know like just like what you said
0:14:54.040,0:14:57.600
they'll have maybe trouble calling them
0:14:55.720,0:14:58.480
in and like ah dang full moon man
0:14:57.600,0:15:00.720
they're tough to deal with they're in
0:14:58.480,0:15:02.519
the full moon and then I do see people
0:15:00.720,0:15:04.360
talk about the full moon at night I know
0:15:02.519,0:15:08.440
one of the reasons it's tough on some
0:15:04.360,0:15:10.000
guys at night is because you know you
0:15:08.440,0:15:11.160
know one popular thing with nighttime
0:15:10.000,0:15:12.360
hunting is standing right out in the
0:15:11.160,0:15:15.160
middle of the field you know with your
0:15:12.360,0:15:17.720
gun on a tripod so I know it the moon
0:15:15.160,0:15:21.519
light you up so it it it's easier to be
0:15:17.720,0:15:23.920
seen but what do you think do you think
0:15:21.519,0:15:25.959
there is anything to that with with the
0:15:23.920,0:15:27.440
full moon type stuff and some people
0:15:25.959,0:15:30.120
mentioning that about having trouble
0:15:27.440,0:15:31.680
calling coyotes in
0:15:30.120,0:15:33.480
not other than what you just talked
0:15:31.680,0:15:37.519
about I think with the night calling it
0:15:33.480,0:15:39.759
is simply because there's light you know
0:15:37.519,0:15:42.519
you you gota hide you're not the
0:15:39.759,0:15:45.399
advantage for the cat to see you is a
0:15:42.519,0:15:48.399
lot greater right so I think that's the
0:15:45.399,0:15:51.120
main thing but with my coats and also
0:15:48.399,0:15:53.240
with how and cut vocal response to
0:15:51.120,0:15:55.360
locating and stuff like that but mainly
0:15:53.240,0:15:57.399
just my coats every and like you said
0:15:55.360,0:16:00.680
they're pre- range and there's
0:15:57.399,0:16:03.680
nothing there there's no
0:16:00.680,0:16:05.040
Factor you know swaying their movement
0:16:03.680,0:16:06.319
one way or the other they're just doing
0:16:05.040,0:16:09.240
their thing and I'm getting to watch
0:16:06.319,0:16:13.040
them and also how how often they're
0:16:09.240,0:16:16.360
vocal be it night or day and I don't see
0:16:13.040,0:16:17.600
any difference I'll just as far as the
0:16:16.360,0:16:22.199
moon
0:16:17.600,0:16:24.279
phase full or dark full or new or
0:16:22.199,0:16:27.880
anything in between I don't think the
0:16:24.279,0:16:30.880
moon phase has anything to do with
0:16:27.880,0:16:33.120
animal movement whatsoever right Co deer
0:16:30.880,0:16:36.160
I don't think it affects them at all
0:16:33.120,0:16:38.800
right the only the only part of the Moon
0:16:36.160,0:16:40.880
that I think may play a minor role and
0:16:38.800,0:16:43.040
it's something I've been fooling with
0:16:40.880,0:16:45.040
this past probably the past several
0:16:43.040,0:16:48.279
months been paying a lot more attention
0:16:45.040,0:16:52.319
to it both with coats and deer is moon
0:16:48.279,0:16:55.160
position overhead underpot yeah yeah
0:16:52.319,0:16:57.519
and when I first started tinkering with
0:16:55.160,0:16:59.399
that a little bit because I know some
0:16:57.519,0:17:01.759
people that are I mean they're big on it
0:16:59.399,0:17:04.559
especially with deer hunting oh man and
0:17:01.759,0:17:07.480
and also with Co hunting so I there's a
0:17:04.559,0:17:09.199
if anybody wants to track this fors they
0:17:07.480,0:17:10.959
can do it right here there's a website
0:17:09.199,0:17:13.000
called I think it's dates and times or
0:17:10.959,0:17:15.400
times and dates and you can back dat
0:17:13.000,0:17:18.520
this or look at it currently and you can
0:17:15.400,0:17:20.240
look at it into the future what the moon
0:17:18.520,0:17:23.520
position and all that stuff is going to
0:17:20.240,0:17:25.039
be for you know for your area if you
0:17:23.520,0:17:27.480
want to track this stuff and just see
0:17:25.039,0:17:29.039
what you come up with right but you got
0:17:27.480,0:17:31.320
to keep it in mind when you're going to
0:17:29.039,0:17:33.880
experiment with stuff you got to go
0:17:31.320,0:17:37.240
every day and the things have to be the
0:17:33.880,0:17:38.480
same you know if you hunt here one day
0:17:37.240,0:17:40.720
and you have a good day and then you
0:17:38.480,0:17:43.160
hunt a different area the next day you
0:17:40.720,0:17:44.840
can't really make a fair comparison if
0:17:43.160,0:17:46.640
you had a good day and a bad day at
0:17:44.840,0:17:49.360
different spots you can't really relate
0:17:46.640,0:17:50.720
that necessarily to uh to the moon or
0:17:49.360,0:17:54.480
anything else you just may have been in
0:17:50.720,0:17:56.520
a better spot right exactly and I think
0:17:54.480,0:17:58.400
for example I got a buddy that's been
0:17:56.520,0:18:01.159
kind of track named Jonathan Beasley we
0:17:58.400,0:18:03.400
deer hunt a bunch pretty much every day
0:18:01.159,0:18:06.840
and we're hunting the same Big Woods
0:18:03.400,0:18:08.720
River Bottom this is no baiting it's no
0:18:06.840,0:18:12.000
nothing to it's just natural deer
0:18:08.720,0:18:13.679
movement and we'll sit on the same you
0:18:12.000,0:18:16.600
know hunting the same afternoon day
0:18:13.679,0:18:18.080
after day we hunt almost every day and
0:18:16.600,0:18:21.080
we've been keeping up with this and
0:18:18.080,0:18:24.799
there are days where I think of one just
0:18:21.080,0:18:26.400
the other day he saw 17 I saw three he's
0:18:24.799,0:18:28.039
sitting in a better spot tonight we're
0:18:26.400,0:18:30.880
hunting the same kind of food source
0:18:28.039,0:18:32.960
over cup ACR all that kind of deal and
0:18:30.880,0:18:37.080
then when you go back and look at the
0:18:32.960,0:18:39.760
moon phase for that time frame well it
0:18:37.080,0:18:42.840
was terrible and he saw 17 deer right
0:18:39.760,0:18:44.600
and you saw three and I saw three so if
0:18:42.840,0:18:46.640
we both went back and looked at it you
0:18:44.600,0:18:48.360
know when I called him and I'd already
0:18:46.640,0:18:50.360
looked at it and he had too I called him
0:18:48.360,0:18:53.039
we're talking about it and I said uh he
0:18:50.360,0:18:56.120
said well you think of moon had anything
0:18:53.039,0:18:57.760
to do with it not not for him I was
0:18:56.120,0:18:58.840
going to blame it on the moon until you
0:18:57.760,0:19:00.760
seen seven
0:18:58.840,0:19:03.039
not only did he see 17 Le of them was
0:19:00.760,0:19:06.240
bucks and one of them was man hey maybe
0:19:03.039,0:19:10.280
his SC control is better than
0:19:06.240,0:19:12.880
yours may that might be it you know just
0:19:10.280,0:19:15.400
who knows but I don't think it was right
0:19:12.880,0:19:16.799
I don't think it was the moon no way it
0:19:15.400,0:19:18.400
could no way it could be if y all
0:19:16.799,0:19:20.559
experience total different things with
0:19:18.400,0:19:23.159
the same Moon you know what I mean same
0:19:20.559,0:19:24.840
day all other conditions are the same as
0:19:23.159,0:19:27.799
far as food sources and stuff there's
0:19:24.840,0:19:30.159
nothing I've had guys some of my buddies
0:19:27.799,0:19:32.320
and I I like to argue so we'll get into
0:19:30.159,0:19:33.960
it and some of this stuff and we'll talk
0:19:32.320,0:19:35.640
about the moon and they'll be telling me
0:19:33.960,0:19:38.760
about their pictures and when their deer
0:19:35.640,0:19:41.480
coming out the moon was this or that and
0:19:38.760,0:19:43.679
I know you I know it's on a feed pile
0:19:41.480,0:19:45.240
well you can't use a feed pile something
0:19:43.679,0:19:47.039
that you know there are certain things
0:19:45.240,0:19:49.440
when you're having these experiments you
0:19:47.039,0:19:51.960
can't there those are
0:19:49.440,0:19:55.000
factors that
0:19:51.960,0:19:56.720
change what would typically be natural
0:19:55.000,0:19:58.240
movement right you know when you when
0:19:56.720,0:20:01.400
you introduce stuff like that that
0:19:58.240,0:20:03.640
changes it so you can't really use stuff
0:20:01.400,0:20:06.240
like that same thing this is a story on
0:20:03.640,0:20:08.360
on coats had a guy called me last year
0:20:06.240,0:20:10.240
he put out a bait pile for coats in this
0:20:08.360,0:20:12.640
field that they had been seeing some C
0:20:10.240,0:20:14.000
knew they had coats around he starts
0:20:12.640,0:20:16.400
trying he's trying to kill the coats in
0:20:14.000,0:20:18.559
the daytime they couldn't hunt at night
0:20:16.400,0:20:20.720
and uh he'd sent me some messages I
0:20:18.559,0:20:22.720
ended up calling him and he's asked me
0:20:20.720,0:20:24.000
about you know killing these CS he said
0:20:22.720,0:20:25.840
they're coming to it he said I'm getting
0:20:24.000,0:20:27.200
their pictures on this bait pile he said
0:20:25.840,0:20:28.760
I go out there and hunt try to call them
0:20:27.200,0:20:30.320
in I can't see them
0:20:28.760,0:20:32.039
and I asked him I said what time are you
0:20:30.320,0:20:33.400
getting your pictures and he saidwell
0:20:32.039,0:20:35.320
it's been in the middle of the night you
0:20:33.400,0:20:36.799
know usually after midnight right and he
0:20:35.320,0:20:38.520
said but it's he said but it's been a
0:20:36.799,0:20:39.840
full moon he said you think a full
0:20:38.520,0:20:41.880
Moon's making them come out there in the
0:20:39.840,0:20:44.600
middle of the night I said no I think
0:20:41.880,0:20:47.080
your cows are probably living somewhere
0:20:44.600,0:20:48.840
else little bit little bit of pressure
0:20:47.080,0:20:50.480
from him putting out the bait pile and
0:20:48.840,0:20:52.760
then I said I bet you them cows are
0:20:50.480,0:20:54.120
betting a pretty good ways off that
0:20:52.760,0:20:55.520
field and they're not getting there so
0:20:54.120,0:20:57.000
sure enough I told him I said where's
0:20:55.520,0:20:58.840
your nearest you know how's it lay out
0:20:57.000,0:21:00.720
and all this kind of stuff and I just
0:20:58.840,0:21:02.720
told him I Saidi bet if you crowd the
0:21:00.720,0:21:04.240
thickest stuff around there because he
0:21:02.720,0:21:05.960
said it was you know kind of open woods
0:21:04.240,0:21:08.080
around the field and about a half mile
0:21:05.960,0:21:10.440
away it buted up to some cut over
0:21:08.080,0:21:11.960
Thicket stuff well sure enough he calls
0:21:10.440,0:21:14.000
me back a couple days later he said man
0:21:11.960,0:21:16.279
I set up out there on them same
0:21:14.000,0:21:19.000
conditions it's still a full moon he's
0:21:16.279,0:21:20.600
blasting these coats in the daytime it
0:21:19.000,0:21:21.919
didn't have anything to do with the moon
0:21:20.600,0:21:23.320
them getting to the bait Pile in the
0:21:21.919,0:21:24.880
middle of the night it was just where
0:21:23.320,0:21:28.919
they were laying at in relation to the
0:21:24.880,0:21:30.960
bait P yep yep you know but
0:21:28.919,0:21:33.720
if you wanted to and kind of what he was
0:21:30.960,0:21:36.480
alluding to is well that damn Moon you
0:21:33.720,0:21:38.400
know right well you know I told you a
0:21:36.480,0:21:40.279
story the other day when we first talked
0:21:38.400,0:21:43.000
about maybe doing this podcast you know
0:21:40.279,0:21:44.159
we just had the idea of because of the
0:21:43.000,0:21:45.799
questions you've been getting and
0:21:44.159,0:21:47.520
something you posted on Facebook but I
0:21:45.799,0:21:50.120
told you a story about my deer hunt down
0:21:47.520,0:21:51.919
in South Texas a few years ago we went
0:21:50.120,0:21:53.559
down there middle middle of December
0:21:51.919,0:21:55.679
which down there is when a deer rut
0:21:53.559,0:21:58.840
pretty good and you you can really get
0:21:55.679,0:22:01.200
into some of that you know that Texas
0:21:58.840,0:22:02.600
rattling fast-paced action everybody
0:22:01.200,0:22:04.000
hears about you know go down hit some
0:22:02.600,0:22:05.799
horns together and have these big bucks
0:22:04.000,0:22:09.919
come running in so I was pumped up about
0:22:05.799,0:22:12.039
it we get there and he tell the guy no
0:22:09.919,0:22:14.720
again I'm somebody never has really paid
0:22:12.039,0:22:16.640
attention to the Moon I never have so he
0:22:14.720,0:22:17.880
got talking about moon phases and stuff
0:22:16.640,0:22:19.600
said well he might have a little trouble
0:22:17.880,0:22:22.559
this week out of the Moon I'm like well
0:22:19.600,0:22:23.720
you know what you know whatever type
0:22:22.559,0:22:26.080
stuff so we was going out in the
0:22:23.720,0:22:28.559
mornings going out in the afternoons
0:22:26.080,0:22:31.559
late afternoons and we were seeing some
0:22:28.559,0:22:33.760
deer but we hadn't called nothing up I
0:22:31.559,0:22:36.200
mean no Callins and hadn't seen no
0:22:33.760,0:22:38.600
mature bucks and you know we was going
0:22:36.200,0:22:40.360
in eating a late breakfast laying around
0:22:38.600,0:22:43.039
maybe taking a nap and then going back
0:22:40.360,0:22:46.240
out late afternoon well about the third
0:22:43.039,0:22:48.679
day I'm about half dozed off and here he
0:22:46.240,0:22:50.400
comes in hollers at me John let's get up
0:22:48.679,0:22:54.039
I just checked the moon guide and they
0:22:50.400,0:22:57.039
say major movement it like it was like 1
0:22:54.039,0:23:00.200
or 1:30 in the afternoon on midday Sun
0:22:57.039,0:23:02.720
up high well it's hot down there I mean
0:23:00.200,0:23:04.000
it's like it's like almost 90° it's like
0:23:02.720,0:23:05.080
I mean it's like in the 80s if I
0:23:04.000,0:23:08.159
remember correctly I remember I was
0:23:05.080,0:23:09.919
wearing just like a long sleeve t-shirt
0:23:08.159,0:23:11.360
and I was like man this guy's crazy
0:23:09.919,0:23:13.279
ain't no way we going to call up no big
0:23:11.360,0:23:16.960
old buck in the middle of the day and it
0:23:13.279,0:23:19.760
burning up hot I'll be we getting this
0:23:16.960,0:23:23.200
cero he says rattle here he showing me
0:23:19.760,0:23:25.159
on a map said rattle here 15 20 minutes
0:23:23.200,0:23:27.360
just like he's making a coyote stand
0:23:25.159,0:23:29.200
nothing shows up get up and move down to
0:23:27.360,0:23:31.559
this point and do it again you know so
0:23:29.200,0:23:33.640
on and so on and so on he said then I'll
0:23:31.559,0:23:36.679
pick you up at the end of cero at this
0:23:33.640,0:23:38.360
time first set nothing and I'm sitting
0:23:36.679,0:23:40.360
there thinking you know we filmed it I
0:23:38.360,0:23:42.400
looked at camera guys this
0:23:40.360,0:23:43.400
stupid we we'll do it we're out here
0:23:42.400,0:23:46.320
we're going to do it anyway this is
0:23:43.400,0:23:50.159
stupid I be dag on we get on that second
0:23:46.320,0:23:52.799
setup and we hit the horns together and
0:23:50.159,0:23:55.520
it ain't a minute later I hear this
0:23:52.799,0:23:57.360
thrashing coming from the mosquite and
0:23:55.520,0:23:59.320
thick Cactus and all this stuff and I
0:23:57.360,0:24:01.120
can actually you see like the tops of
0:23:59.320,0:24:03.640
this mosquite stuff moving in a couple
0:24:01.120,0:24:06.640
spots all of a sudden her jumps out this
0:24:03.640,0:24:09.120
great big old you know what a monstrous
0:24:06.640,0:24:11.440
rack Buck he was just like 130 inch Buck
0:24:09.120,0:24:14.000
but big old mature eight- pointer come
0:24:11.440,0:24:16.600
busting out just all postured up matter
0:24:14.000,0:24:18.320
and far and we we shoot him and kill him
0:24:16.600,0:24:20.520
and age that buck end up being a 6 and
0:24:18.320,0:24:23.320
1/2 year old eight point that we killed
0:24:20.520,0:24:26.240
at like 115 in the afternoon while it
0:24:23.320,0:24:28.919
was 80 some degrees and uh of course
0:24:26.240,0:24:30.880
when it got I knew the Moon that Moon gu
0:24:28.919,0:24:32.399
said be out there at this time so you
0:24:30.880,0:24:34.720
know I was like man maybe there's
0:24:32.399,0:24:37.960
something to this Moon stuff I don't
0:24:34.720,0:24:40.200
know yeah and you know that's that's a
0:24:37.960,0:24:41.520
big part of it too is like we were
0:24:40.200,0:24:44.240
talking about earlier I think if you
0:24:41.520,0:24:46.279
were looking for a reason you can
0:24:44.240,0:24:47.919
usually find a reason you know something
0:24:46.279,0:24:50.720
to attach it to and there's usually
0:24:47.919,0:24:52.600
enough options whether it be the moon or
0:24:50.720,0:24:54.320
the temperature the barometric pressure
0:24:52.600,0:24:57.200
or something there's usually something
0:24:54.320,0:24:59.919
that you can tie you know you can tie it
0:24:57.200,0:25:02.360
to for an excuse or a reason whichever
0:24:59.919,0:25:05.080
one you're looking for to why you had a
0:25:02.360,0:25:06.600
good day or a bad day and sometimes I
0:25:05.080,0:25:10.799
think you
0:25:06.600,0:25:13.679
know I just doing it enough yeah it's
0:25:10.799,0:25:17.520
just too much variation and too much
0:25:13.679,0:25:19.919
inconsistencies between it to ever rely
0:25:17.520,0:25:21.960
on it enough to like like you started
0:25:19.919,0:25:24.799
out with to ever rely on it enough to
0:25:21.960,0:25:27.320
say yeah I'm going to hunt today or no
0:25:24.799,0:25:30.120
I'm not going to hunt today because of
0:25:27.320,0:25:32.039
some these weather Moon conditions well
0:25:30.120,0:25:34.760
and it's just like that situation there
0:25:32.039,0:25:36.360
I it made me think after that sucker
0:25:34.760,0:25:37.880
come out I actually just quit thinking
0:25:36.360,0:25:40.760
about the moon you know he told us come
0:25:37.880,0:25:41.840
out because the moon doing whatever and
0:25:40.760,0:25:42.960
you know I didn't even really think
0:25:41.840,0:25:44.559
about it after we killed the buck but
0:25:42.960,0:25:46.720
that was the first thing he said you
0:25:44.559,0:25:48.480
know we we called him up and he come
0:25:46.720,0:25:50.360
right he said man I knew it was going to
0:25:48.480,0:25:54.799
happen that Moon told me it was you know
0:25:50.360,0:25:56.640
I was like well yeah and then the very
0:25:54.799,0:25:59.080
next time it lines up just like it you
0:25:56.640,0:26:01.360
go don't do nothing don't do nothing so
0:25:59.080,0:26:04.360
you know it's it's just too inconsistent
0:26:01.360,0:26:06.919
and another thing this was what really I
0:26:04.360,0:26:10.200
I was already leaning towards the things
0:26:06.919,0:26:11.960
I've been saying but what really kind of
0:26:10.200,0:26:15.679
solidified it for me is when all these
0:26:11.960,0:26:17.919
GPS studies started coming out I'm yeah
0:26:15.679,0:26:19.720
I'm I'm into that that's the geek side
0:26:17.919,0:26:23.279
of me I'm into that kind of stuff both
0:26:19.720,0:26:26.559
on Cs and deer you know and I will read
0:26:23.279,0:26:29.200
these boring long ass I mean just put
0:26:26.559,0:26:31.080
you to just man they just you can't
0:26:29.200,0:26:33.520
hardly stick with them because they're
0:26:31.080,0:26:35.159
scientific based and yeah I mean the
0:26:33.520,0:26:36.799
reading and a lot of people will watch
0:26:35.159,0:26:39.399
the Youtube and I do too you can watch
0:26:36.799,0:26:41.840
the YouTube clips and the shorten down
0:26:39.399,0:26:43.640
you know straight to the point versions
0:26:41.840,0:26:45.679
but I usually go in and read those
0:26:43.640,0:26:47.399
research papers all the way through and
0:26:45.679,0:26:49.679
I also look at the source where they're
0:26:47.399,0:26:52.120
coming from because if it's if it's some
0:26:49.679,0:26:55.039
this animal rights BS where they've got
0:26:52.120,0:26:56.760
an agenda I won't even read them studies
0:26:55.039,0:26:59.200
because or I might read them just to
0:26:56.760,0:27:01.320
kind of see you know what their angle is
0:26:59.200,0:27:02.880
or what angle they're trying to use but
0:27:01.320,0:27:06.080
most of the stuff I'm talking about are
0:27:02.880,0:27:08.480
coming from these universities you know
0:27:06.080,0:27:10.640
where they are doing studies on specific
0:27:08.480,0:27:14.600
animals they've got biologists that are
0:27:10.640,0:27:18.120
running long you know multiple year GPS
0:27:14.600,0:27:20.919
studies on a bunch of animals of a bunch
0:27:18.120,0:27:23.159
of different age classes both couch deer
0:27:20.919,0:27:26.480
whatever the whatever the animal is is
0:27:23.159,0:27:29.200
on and when you start really looking
0:27:26.480,0:27:32.039
into them where it's flen the position
0:27:29.200,0:27:34.159
of this animal every 15 minutes or
0:27:32.039,0:27:35.080
whatever their control is but a lot of
0:27:34.159,0:27:37.159
times that's kind of what they
0:27:35.080,0:27:40.559
structured off of about every 15 minutes
0:27:37.159,0:27:43.200
it's showing the position of that animal
0:27:40.559,0:27:46.279
well then you can take all of that and
0:27:43.200,0:27:48.960
tie it back to time of the day weather
0:27:46.279,0:27:51.240
conditions moon phase whatever you want
0:27:48.960,0:27:53.760
to look at you've got all these data
0:27:51.240,0:27:56.399
points of this animals not only one
0:27:53.760,0:28:00.519
animal but hundreds of animals that you
0:27:56.399,0:28:02.840
can TI back to whatever's going on at
0:28:00.519,0:28:04.679
that time frame you know that particular
0:28:02.840,0:28:06.760
date what everything is doing from
0:28:04.679,0:28:07.919
temperature to the moon phase and
0:28:06.760,0:28:11.399
everything in
0:28:07.919,0:28:14.039
between yep and you just don't see any
0:28:11.399,0:28:16.399
consistent those animals basically have
0:28:14.039,0:28:19.080
whether it be a cow or a deer whatever
0:28:16.399,0:28:22.640
they have their natural movement
0:28:19.080,0:28:26.440
patterns and their Natural Instincts to
0:28:22.640,0:28:28.840
feed bed stay safe all that kind of
0:28:26.440,0:28:31.679
stuff and that's pretty much what drives
0:28:28.840,0:28:34.840
their movement day in and day out then
0:28:31.679,0:28:37.880
you have you know the extremes where you
0:28:34.840,0:28:40.200
have extreme weather conditions you know
0:28:37.880,0:28:42.200
that I think do affect right their
0:28:40.200,0:28:46.039
movement but for the most part moon
0:28:42.200,0:28:49.720
phase moon phase in particular there is
0:28:46.039,0:28:51.880
one study I'm aware of I think it was by
0:28:49.720,0:28:54.919
not 100% but I think it was by Penn
0:28:51.880,0:28:57.120
State yep I think I actually read this
0:28:54.919,0:28:58.200
one a few weeks ago I bet the same one
0:28:57.120,0:29:00.480
about deer
0:28:58.200,0:29:02.399
movement yeah it's on deer movement but
0:29:00.480,0:29:05.640
I think a lot of the stuff deer and
0:29:02.399,0:29:09.080
coats and their movement for one you
0:29:05.640,0:29:11.200
know the way your prey animals move
0:29:09.080,0:29:13.279
directly affects your pred course of
0:29:11.200,0:29:15.840
course so there's a lot of correlation I
0:29:13.279,0:29:18.720
know we were're kind of jumping over and
0:29:15.840,0:29:20.559
overlapping coat stuff with with deer
0:29:18.720,0:29:22.559
yeah but I think there's a lot of
0:29:20.559,0:29:25.120
overlap and similarities between their
0:29:22.559,0:29:26.919
movement i' I've raised deer I also
0:29:25.120,0:29:28.039
raised goats and Coons and everything
0:29:26.919,0:29:31.039
else
0:29:28.039,0:29:33.200
especially between deer and coats
0:29:31.039,0:29:36.120
there's a lot of similarities
0:29:33.200,0:29:40.240
between the times that they move both
0:29:36.120,0:29:41.720
those animals tend to move Dawn and Dusk
0:29:40.240,0:29:43.559
and then throughout the night that's
0:29:41.720,0:29:45.720
when they're the most active but
0:29:43.559,0:29:48.519
especially those Dawn and dust you know
0:29:45.720,0:29:51.120
right around dark time yep is when they
0:29:48.519,0:29:53.120
when they are the most active naturally
0:29:51.120,0:29:54.799
you know if you take out every all other
0:29:53.120,0:29:56.760
factors human pressure the weather
0:29:54.799,0:29:58.559
everything that's when they they tend to
0:29:56.760,0:30:00.039
move the most right that that was
0:29:58.559,0:30:02.559
actually my next question you know I was
0:30:00.039,0:30:05.919
going to ask you know is it fair to say
0:30:02.559,0:30:08.919
no matter the moon phase coyotes are
0:30:05.919,0:30:10.679
generally more active at night than they
0:30:08.919,0:30:13.120
are during the day no matter what the
0:30:10.679,0:30:16.440
moon phase is would you is that fair to
0:30:13.120,0:30:18.919
say oh yeah absolutely 100% day in and
0:30:16.440,0:30:20.440
day out that holds true you have those
0:30:18.919,0:30:22.240
exceptions you know where they're real
0:30:20.440,0:30:25.760
active deer income where they're real
0:30:22.240,0:30:27.840
active it but those are outside the norm
0:30:25.760,0:30:30.960
you know right yeah yeah yeah and like
0:30:27.840,0:30:33.320
you said and even then it's um you know
0:30:30.960,0:30:35.679
your best chance to to spot a coyot out
0:30:33.320,0:30:38.159
in the open doing something that a coyot
0:30:35.679,0:30:42.760
does out feeding or whatever is usually
0:30:38.159,0:30:44.799
in those first couple hours of daytime
0:30:42.760,0:30:46.880
and the last couple hours a day right
0:30:44.799,0:30:50.200
there at Sunset and then of course
0:30:46.880,0:30:53.159
through all hours of the night I I'm
0:30:50.200,0:30:55.200
assuming yeah yeah I mean you just look
0:30:53.159,0:30:58.200
and everybody listening you know I'm I'm
0:30:55.200,0:31:00.360
gonna pitch this at them too a couple
0:30:58.200,0:31:01.880
years ago probably like I said earlier I
0:31:00.360,0:31:04.159
like to pick around with some of my
0:31:01.880,0:31:06.559
buddies and sometimes I'll get in
0:31:04.159,0:31:09.919
arguments or or even start arguments you
0:31:06.559,0:31:12.159
know sometimes I'm B them on purpose
0:31:09.919,0:31:15.159
but we had got on the subject of the
0:31:12.159,0:31:17.960
moon phase and and stuff like that and
0:31:15.159,0:31:21.600
uh we all hunt and all hunt a good bit
0:31:17.960,0:31:22.840
both cows and deer and I was the only
0:31:21.600,0:31:24.720
one I was the only one that didn't
0:31:22.840,0:31:28.039
really buy into some of the moon phase
0:31:24.720,0:31:30.039
stuff at the time but after we went back
0:31:28.039,0:31:31.919
and forth there for a little while I
0:31:30.039,0:31:33.519
they didn't even know I was doing it but
0:31:31.919,0:31:34.919
I'd talk to them you know after this
0:31:33.519,0:31:37.600
conversation was over with and it was
0:31:34.919,0:31:39.919
mainly text message in a group deal but
0:31:37.600,0:31:41.120
ever since then every time I talk to
0:31:39.919,0:31:42.799
them about hunting or whatever I'm
0:31:41.120,0:31:44.639
paying attention and I may even have to
0:31:42.799,0:31:46.519
ask them or get it out of them without
0:31:44.639,0:31:47.960
them knowing what I'm doing I'll ask
0:31:46.519,0:31:49.200
them about you know when they're well
0:31:47.960,0:31:50.919
every one of them are hunting morning
0:31:49.200,0:31:52.240
and evening that's what they're hunting
0:31:50.919,0:31:55.039
they're hunting morning and evening
0:31:52.240,0:31:57.799
regardless of where they're hunting cows
0:31:55.039,0:32:00.360
or deer right those are the time frame
0:31:57.799,0:32:01.720
we hunting early and late and the reason
0:32:00.360,0:32:04.559
that for that and that's what everybody
0:32:01.720,0:32:07.159
does for the most part is because that's
0:32:04.559,0:32:09.480
when everybody knows that that's when
0:32:07.159,0:32:12.039
those times are best so even though some
0:32:09.480,0:32:14.120
of them believe even though some of my
0:32:12.039,0:32:16.080
buddies say they believe in this moon
0:32:14.120,0:32:17.200
phase deal they ain't sitting out there
0:32:16.080,0:32:19.279
in the middle they're not getting to
0:32:17.200,0:32:22.240
their stand at 11 o'clock and hunting
0:32:19.279,0:32:24.000
till two right they're eating lunch at
0:32:22.240,0:32:24.799
that time you dang right that's what I
0:32:24.000,0:32:27.639
be
0:32:24.799,0:32:29.399
doing yeah I'm not saying you know
0:32:27.639,0:32:31.240
sometimes you don't hunt all day but
0:32:29.399,0:32:33.399
right if they're picking and choosing
0:32:31.240,0:32:36.279
it's early and late across the board and
0:32:33.399,0:32:39.120
that's what most of us do day in and day
0:32:36.279,0:32:40.960
out because we know that's when the
0:32:39.120,0:32:43.240
animals are most active and then you
0:32:40.960,0:32:44.840
bring in on the C side of it and some
0:32:43.240,0:32:47.279
people on the deer hunting side of it
0:32:44.840,0:32:50.320
especially down this far
0:32:47.279,0:32:52.039
south they gonna hunt all night because
0:32:50.320,0:32:54.200
that's when they're the most active
0:32:52.039,0:32:56.519
right so you know they a even want think
0:32:54.200,0:32:59.919
about going during the day are they
0:32:56.519,0:33:02.880
that's right so so to sum it up when it
0:32:59.919,0:33:05.320
comes to moon phases you see no increase
0:33:02.880,0:33:07.080
or decrease in activity that's
0:33:05.320,0:33:08.399
associated with moon phase when we're
0:33:07.080,0:33:12.760
talking about
0:33:08.399,0:33:15.039
cows right and Only Exception none none
0:33:12.760,0:33:16.880
The Only Exception was I was gonna bring
0:33:15.039,0:33:20.080
that Penn State deal up we kind of got
0:33:16.880,0:33:21.840
sidetracked on it and it refers to the
0:33:20.080,0:33:24.039
moon position I know anybody that
0:33:21.840,0:33:26.720
listens to this we don't cover the moon
0:33:24.039,0:33:29.320
position right right overhead under foot
0:33:26.720,0:33:31.320
side it they're
0:33:29.320,0:33:33.440
going well y'all didn't say nothing
0:33:31.320,0:33:35.559
about moon position overhead under yeah
0:33:33.440,0:33:40.480
them idiots don't know nothing about the
0:33:35.559,0:33:43.200
moon right so that that part of it I'm
0:33:40.480,0:33:44.960
still I don't think it affects it very
0:33:43.200,0:33:47.360
much if it does and I think that Penn
0:33:44.960,0:33:50.799
State study if I remember right it was
0:33:47.360,0:33:52.440
showing like a small like very small the
0:33:50.799,0:33:54.639
same one I read the same one I know
0:33:52.440,0:33:56.679
exact they had radio collared x amount
0:33:54.639,0:33:58.440
of deer yeah it's a it's a good art you
0:33:56.679,0:34:00.080
all can find it just Google it you'll
0:33:58.440,0:34:02.760
see it it's it's pretty interesting I
0:34:00.080,0:34:04.480
liked it anyway yeah I think I think
0:34:02.760,0:34:06.120
that stuff is you know gives you
0:34:04.480,0:34:07.960
something think about and what I'm
0:34:06.120,0:34:09.879
getting at with that L's this is for the
0:34:07.960,0:34:11.839
guy that only has you know you can't
0:34:09.879,0:34:14.040
hunt every day maybe you got a pck
0:34:11.839,0:34:16.599
you're gonna take a day off work and you
0:34:14.040,0:34:18.000
gotta pick between Thursday and Friday
0:34:16.599,0:34:20.560
or maybe you got to pick between
0:34:18.000,0:34:22.960
Thursday and Sunday whatever it is and
0:34:20.560,0:34:26.079
you've only got them two days and the
0:34:22.960,0:34:28.839
moon position and everything lines up a
0:34:26.079,0:34:30.440
little bit better for Thursday than it
0:34:28.839,0:34:33.399
does whatever other day you could take
0:34:30.440,0:34:35.560
off work right then even though I don't
0:34:33.399,0:34:38.320
believe it plays a very big roll and
0:34:35.560,0:34:41.879
doesn't tip the odds in your favor very
0:34:38.320,0:34:44.760
much if it is just a slight percentage
0:34:41.879,0:34:46.919
or two or 15% or whatever it is or some
0:34:44.760,0:34:49.040
of them studies that was showing that
0:34:46.919,0:34:50.200
when that Moon overhead Under Foot and
0:34:49.040,0:34:52.720
what you're looking for on that if
0:34:50.200,0:34:55.079
people don't understand it the overhead
0:34:52.720,0:34:57.440
position or the underfoot position
0:34:55.079,0:34:59.640
lining up and hitting out early in the
0:34:57.440,0:35:01.320
morning in daylight hours if you're
0:34:59.640,0:35:03.240
daylight hunting you're wanting to hit
0:35:01.320,0:35:05.680
you're want that overhead underfoot to
0:35:03.240,0:35:10.000
correlate with the natural movement
0:35:05.680,0:35:12.200
times anyway being early and late so you
0:35:10.000,0:35:14.280
know if you were going to if you wanted
0:35:12.200,0:35:17.480
to put anything into it or if you
0:35:14.280,0:35:19.359
believe in it then you know take that
0:35:17.480,0:35:21.320
day off work that best correlates
0:35:19.359,0:35:23.599
because you might have if there's
0:35:21.320,0:35:27.040
anything to it like I said can't prove
0:35:23.599,0:35:29.280
it I'm still looking at it but you know
0:35:27.040,0:35:31.760
that day it might might give you just a
0:35:29.280,0:35:33.480
little bit higher odds yep or you or you
0:35:31.760,0:35:36.119
might have missed them from the day
0:35:33.480,0:35:38.240
before
0:35:36.119,0:35:40.000
right let's let's switch gears here
0:35:38.240,0:35:42.640
let's talk about a different Factor what
0:35:40.000,0:35:44.000
about barometric pressure have you kept
0:35:42.640,0:35:45.760
up with any of that have you seen any
0:35:44.000,0:35:47.640
correlation with barometric pressure and
0:35:45.760,0:35:51.480
Co movement you know like with your Co
0:35:47.640,0:35:55.200
you you spend almost every day with yes
0:35:51.480,0:35:58.400
I've kept up with it no I haven't seen
0:35:55.200,0:36:01.680
much relation to the barometric pressure
0:35:58.400,0:36:04.319
and this is kind of one of those depends
0:36:01.680,0:36:06.920
on what you want to tie things to
0:36:04.319,0:36:09.560
because and I I just
0:36:06.920,0:36:12.359
use just walking outside and looking at
0:36:09.560,0:36:14.880
the day for the most part yeah
0:36:12.359,0:36:16.640
because typically what you usually hear
0:36:14.880,0:36:18.400
is rising barometric pressure that's
0:36:16.640,0:36:21.040
going to increase the movement on coats
0:36:18.400,0:36:22.880
deer you know across the board that's
0:36:21.040,0:36:27.160
what you typically hear you want that
0:36:22.880,0:36:29.920
Rising barometer yep well Rising
0:36:27.160,0:36:32.920
barometer is usually usually equates to
0:36:29.920,0:36:36.920
pretty weather better weather you know
0:36:32.920,0:36:40.160
and so going back to that uh example I
0:36:36.920,0:36:42.119
used earlier if if I'm watching my coow
0:36:40.160,0:36:44.560
or if I'm deer hunting or coow hunting
0:36:42.119,0:36:47.200
or whatever it may be and I've got
0:36:44.560,0:36:51.000
pretty much normal weather for a period
0:36:47.200,0:36:53.560
of time week or better I don't see and
0:36:51.000,0:36:56.880
that barometric pressure has slight
0:36:53.560,0:36:59.319
changes in it up and down I don't see
0:36:56.880,0:37:02.280
any correlation with that the change in
0:36:59.319,0:37:04.079
that barometric pressure and the Animals
0:37:02.280,0:37:05.160
movement they're pretty much doing the
0:37:04.079,0:37:07.359
same
0:37:05.160,0:37:10.040
things day in and day out and then
0:37:07.359,0:37:11.839
you'll have those random days for no
0:37:10.040,0:37:14.359
apparent reason it may be on falling
0:37:11.839,0:37:17.000
pressure that they're very active very
0:37:14.359,0:37:19.560
vocal hopping around playing wrestling
0:37:17.000,0:37:23.280
and the next day they're lethargic and
0:37:19.560,0:37:25.560
wly how right and it may be a rising
0:37:23.280,0:37:28.160
pressure on the day that they weren't
0:37:25.560,0:37:30.920
doing much I think where you see that
0:37:28.160,0:37:32.000
and where people tie it to stuff is when
0:37:30.920,0:37:37.280
you have
0:37:32.000,0:37:40.880
maybe several days of the weather's not
0:37:37.280,0:37:43.760
very good you know it's some of those
0:37:40.880,0:37:46.040
just bad bad weather days and I'm not
0:37:43.760,0:37:47.800
necessarily talking about storming just
0:37:46.040,0:37:50.319
they just they don't feel as good and
0:37:47.800,0:37:53.920
then you have a change to where you
0:37:50.319,0:37:56.920
have a pretty day a pretty not only and
0:37:53.920,0:37:58.839
and I say that I use the way I feel to
0:37:56.920,0:38:01.240
judge it is because you pick up on that
0:37:58.839,0:38:03.200
stuff too when you walk outside you just
0:38:01.240,0:38:05.000
automatically notice the difference and
0:38:03.200,0:38:06.960
well it's not near as humid today it
0:38:05.000,0:38:09.720
just feels a lot better outside it's a
0:38:06.960,0:38:11.720
pretty day bright Bluebird Sky it's just
0:38:09.720,0:38:14.200
a pretty day and it Everything feels
0:38:11.720,0:38:15.720
good I think when you have those drastic
0:38:14.200,0:38:19.040
changes like
0:38:15.720,0:38:22.040
that you may see a a increase in the
0:38:19.040,0:38:24.079
animals moving around just because it's
0:38:22.040,0:38:26.319
a better day they pick up on it just
0:38:24.079,0:38:29.880
like we do right and so they're more apt
0:38:26.319,0:38:31.560
to a little more and then what happens
0:38:29.880,0:38:34.040
people will say well the barometric
0:38:31.560,0:38:37.839
pressure was Rising that day that's just
0:38:34.040,0:38:38.599
kind of a yes it was but I don't think
0:38:37.839,0:38:40.920
the
0:38:38.599,0:38:43.400
animals now fish are a different story
0:38:40.920,0:38:45.119
but I don't think those animals knew
0:38:43.400,0:38:46.640
that the barometric pressure was Rising
0:38:45.119,0:38:48.880
it was just a prettier day right
0:38:46.640,0:38:50.839
especially because because when it's
0:38:48.880,0:38:53.800
just fluctuating a little bit day in and
0:38:50.839,0:38:57.040
day out it doesn't affect them at all
0:38:53.800,0:38:57.960
that barometric you can't you can't a
0:38:57.040,0:39:01.000
put
0:38:57.960,0:39:05.079
any consistency to movement with it at
0:39:01.000,0:39:06.640
all right right what about um what about
0:39:05.079,0:39:10.880
temperature have you seen any
0:39:06.640,0:39:10.880
correlation with temperature and coyote
0:39:11.720,0:39:15.960
movement when when you get into the
0:39:13.920,0:39:19.160
weather stuff like like
0:39:15.960,0:39:21.839
temperature and bad weather versus good
0:39:19.160,0:39:23.640
weather I do think you can pay more
0:39:21.839,0:39:28.160
attention to that than you can moon
0:39:23.640,0:39:30.079
phase or or you know pressure
0:39:28.160,0:39:31.599
and it's typically kind of just like
0:39:30.079,0:39:33.520
what we were talking about where you've
0:39:31.599,0:39:36.680
got those let's say it's In The Heat Of
0:39:33.520,0:39:39.319
Summer yeah and it's those Just Killer
0:39:36.680,0:39:42.920
days and then you
0:39:39.319,0:39:45.040
have it's usually not a a if you have a
0:39:42.920,0:39:47.640
major front come through usually that
0:39:45.040,0:39:49.920
that front passing through tends to shut
0:39:47.640,0:39:51.800
them down yep but when you have that
0:39:49.920,0:39:56.960
that just
0:39:51.800,0:40:00.839
that pretty cool day outside of several
0:39:56.960,0:40:02.560
days of you know misery I think you can
0:40:00.839,0:40:05.040
have you know I think the animals pick
0:40:02.560,0:40:07.440
up on that too just like we do like man
0:40:05.040,0:40:09.520
you get up that morning you man it feels
0:40:07.440,0:40:12.599
feels so much better out here right I
0:40:09.520,0:40:15.720
think that's what they react to it's not
0:40:12.599,0:40:17.400
oh man the barometric pressure change it
0:40:15.720,0:40:19.960
little when it comes to that I think you
0:40:17.400,0:40:21.480
almost gota you about gota humanize them
0:40:19.960,0:40:23.200
a little bit you can see it in all other
0:40:21.480,0:40:25.720
animals too even you know domestic
0:40:23.200,0:40:27.520
animals you know if you've got warmer
0:40:25.720,0:40:29.920
than average days just kind of like what
0:40:27.520,0:40:32.800
you talking about ter you know it's been
0:40:29.920,0:40:35.160
you know the average temperature what it
0:40:32.800,0:40:36.480
should be during that time of year you
0:40:35.160,0:40:39.800
know throughout history you know you
0:40:36.480,0:40:43.319
just got that average day in the summer
0:40:39.800,0:40:46.200
well all of a sudden it it jumps up five
0:40:43.319,0:40:48.960
six s degrees hotter than it usually is
0:40:46.200,0:40:50.520
and it's high humidity you know you guys
0:40:48.960,0:40:52.000
come here to Kentucky or down there in
0:40:50.520,0:40:53.760
in tourish part of the world you you'll
0:40:52.000,0:40:56.160
figure out what high humidity is pretty
0:40:53.760,0:40:58.280
quick and when it's in the upper 90s and
0:40:56.160,0:41:00.319
it's it's like 90 something per humidity
0:40:58.280,0:41:02.040
ain't nothing doing anything when you
0:41:00.319,0:41:03.480
walk outside of your air conditioned
0:41:02.040,0:41:05.119
house or get outside your air
0:41:03.480,0:41:07.000
conditioned truck you don't feel like
0:41:05.119,0:41:08.520
doing nothing you feel like laying up
0:41:07.000,0:41:11.160
you want to stay in that AC don't want
0:41:08.520,0:41:12.839
to do much well Coy are kind of the same
0:41:11.160,0:41:15.880
way and I think it's on the opposite
0:41:12.839,0:41:18.400
opposite side of those bitter cold days
0:41:15.880,0:41:20.119
when it's been mild in the winter and
0:41:18.400,0:41:21.960
then all a sudden it drops 20 or 30
0:41:20.119,0:41:24.400
degrees you'll see guys on Facebook I
0:41:21.960,0:41:26.760
seen it here just recently on that mfk
0:41:24.400,0:41:29.440
page somebody said oh man it's fixing to
0:41:26.760,0:41:32.079
get right this weekend temperatures are
0:41:29.440,0:41:34.040
dropping pluming down to close to zero
0:41:32.079,0:41:36.000
you know it's been 40° we're going to
0:41:34.040,0:41:37.800
burn them up this weekend well guess
0:41:36.000,0:41:39.560
what happens they don't call the first
0:41:37.800,0:41:41.160
thing up that weekend because it shocked
0:41:39.560,0:41:42.400
those those cows don't feel like doing
0:41:41.160,0:41:45.520
nothing it's just like you all had that
0:41:42.400,0:41:48.400
big snow and ice storm a nobody want to
0:41:45.520,0:41:50.119
do nothing for two or three days because
0:41:48.400,0:41:52.119
that it shocked your all system but it
0:41:50.119,0:41:54.079
comes to a point after about that third
0:41:52.119,0:41:56.560
or fourth day of that consistent ice and
0:41:54.079,0:41:57.920
snow at some point you have got to get
0:41:56.560,0:41:59.440
up and do something and I think that's
0:41:57.920,0:42:01.119
the same thing with these cods
0:41:59.440,0:42:03.480
especially talking about you know
0:42:01.119,0:42:05.440
getting into that several days of cold
0:42:03.480,0:42:07.520
it'll screw them up at first day or two
0:42:05.440,0:42:09.359
but that third fourth fifth day they
0:42:07.520,0:42:10.599
eventually have to get up and start
0:42:09.359,0:42:13.400
moving and
0:42:10.599,0:42:15.680
feed that is the what you just touched
0:42:13.400,0:42:18.520
on is what I think is the biggest
0:42:15.680,0:42:22.079
predictor in animal movement it's when
0:42:18.520,0:42:23.960
you go anytime and I I figured we was
0:42:22.079,0:42:27.200
GNA get into that with extreme weather
0:42:23.960,0:42:30.040
changes yep so when you when you have
0:42:27.200,0:42:32.240
your normal conditions day in day out
0:42:30.040,0:42:34.400
what your typical weather conditions are
0:42:32.240,0:42:37.359
for that time of the year and then you
0:42:34.400,0:42:40.040
have a drastic change a lot of people
0:42:37.359,0:42:41.720
think that that is the trigger and it is
0:42:40.040,0:42:44.000
a trigger it's a trigger that shuts
0:42:41.720,0:42:47.000
movement down I think that is something
0:42:44.000,0:42:48.760
that is reliable whether it be you know
0:42:47.000,0:42:50.400
summertime and just like you said you
0:42:48.760,0:42:54.480
have those spikes where you have a heat
0:42:50.400,0:42:57.000
wave come in that that kills movement so
0:42:54.480,0:42:59.240
do big fronts and storms during that
0:42:57.000,0:43:00.839
time frame where that front is actually
0:42:59.240,0:43:02.760
pushing through it kills movement
0:43:00.839,0:43:05.960
everything Honkers down it shuts them
0:43:02.760,0:43:07.920
down and then as soon as you you get
0:43:05.960,0:43:10.920
that front through and it's usually may
0:43:07.920,0:43:12.880
not even be the very next day but that
0:43:10.920,0:43:14.720
second day third day just like what you
0:43:12.880,0:43:17.839
were talking about where that that
0:43:14.720,0:43:19.640
weather pattern it may still be cold or
0:43:17.839,0:43:21.520
it may be starting to trim back towards
0:43:19.640,0:43:23.800
normal but as soon as you start to kind
0:43:21.520,0:43:26.960
of stabilize after that front or after
0:43:23.800,0:43:29.480
that you see the good
0:43:26.960,0:43:31.599
soon as you see the St it's starting to
0:43:29.480,0:43:34.119
stabilize that's when you need to hunt
0:43:31.599,0:43:36.520
for them next two three days those are
0:43:34.119,0:43:39.800
your spikes and activity and I do see
0:43:36.520,0:43:42.880
that with the coats that I rais just
0:43:39.800,0:43:45.359
just like these here when this ice storm
0:43:42.880,0:43:47.520
come through it immediately shuts them
0:43:45.359,0:43:49.280
down and they're curled up in a ball
0:43:47.520,0:43:52.200
throughout the day you go I tried to get
0:43:49.280,0:43:54.400
them to h d and I can usually always
0:43:52.200,0:43:56.640
make them how you know if I just keep on
0:43:54.400,0:43:58.319
keep on howling at them I can finally
0:43:56.640,0:44:00.280
get one to crack loose and then the rest
0:43:58.319,0:44:02.760
of them will go to Howland right I
0:44:00.280,0:44:05.480
messed with them I messed with them for
0:44:02.760,0:44:08.119
two on and off two different days and
0:44:05.480,0:44:09.880
nights when this I come through and
0:44:08.119,0:44:11.800
couldn't get them to say a peep I mean
0:44:09.880,0:44:13.839
they just wouldn't how and that's CA
0:44:11.800,0:44:16.359
they're down there balled up you know
0:44:13.839,0:44:20.319
staying you know in cover y balled up
0:44:16.359,0:44:23.040
and staying and then I did see which was
0:44:20.319,0:44:27.599
it it's still not very reliable but
0:44:23.040,0:44:29.040
during those really bitter days
0:44:27.599,0:44:31.319
a lot of times we can look out the wind
0:44:29.040,0:44:33.000
and see a cat and because there's enough
0:44:31.319,0:44:36.480
of them around especially this last one
0:44:33.000,0:44:38.880
she raised this one called Fancy it kind
0:44:36.480,0:44:41.119
of stay anyway we were seeing those
0:44:38.880,0:44:42.880
goats up moving when that sun you know
0:44:41.119,0:44:44.359
when that sun started peing out yeah I
0:44:42.880,0:44:46.079
got warmed them up we started seeing
0:44:44.359,0:44:46.880
them you know and I think it was just
0:44:46.079,0:44:50.160
based
0:44:46.880,0:44:52.960
on the feeling of that and of course it
0:44:50.160,0:44:54.960
was it was you know 1 2 3 o'clock in the
0:44:52.960,0:44:57.079
afternoon when it was a little bit
0:44:54.960,0:45:01.240
warmer
0:44:57.079,0:45:05.440
during that really Frid weather but
0:45:01.240,0:45:08.559
after that I hit about that third day oh
0:45:05.440,0:45:11.319
man them things was they was back up and
0:45:08.559,0:45:12.760
right right really active really active
0:45:11.319,0:45:14.319
for a couple days and it's because
0:45:12.760,0:45:15.839
they'd been shut down for a couple days
0:45:14.319,0:45:17.200
yeah they had they eventually have to do
0:45:15.839,0:45:19.000
something either lay there and starve to
0:45:17.200,0:45:20.960
death you know or get up and do
0:45:19.000,0:45:22.720
something and and just go right off that
0:45:20.960,0:45:24.680
there just you know a couple weeks ago
0:45:22.720,0:45:26.599
we had that single digit temp stuff
0:45:24.680,0:45:30.359
right here snow on the ground about 6 or
0:45:26.599,0:45:33.280
seven Ines of snow and um we we were
0:45:30.359,0:45:36.760
filming we were filming for fur taker
0:45:33.280,0:45:39.040
Resurrection uh first morning we killed
0:45:36.760,0:45:42.280
we killed two coyotes and then the rest
0:45:39.040,0:45:44.880
of the day it was nothing I mean we
0:45:42.280,0:45:46.680
couldn't buy C we made a ton of dry
0:45:44.880,0:45:48.760
stands but it was single digits I mean
0:45:46.680,0:45:50.880
it was like I can't it was like six or
0:45:48.760,0:45:54.000
seven degrees and that's below average
0:45:50.880,0:45:55.880
for us the coow was just shut down well
0:45:54.000,0:45:58.000
that following morning we had a little a
0:45:55.880,0:45:59.480
little bit more snow just kind of just
0:45:58.000,0:46:01.880
dusted right on top of what we had the
0:45:59.480,0:46:02.960
day before and it was even colder that
0:46:01.880,0:46:07.079
morning I mean it was right there at
0:46:02.960,0:46:09.119
zero and uh we we called we made stands
0:46:07.079,0:46:10.880
made stands made stands couldn't buy a
0:46:09.119,0:46:14.160
coat didn't see nothing didn't see
0:46:10.880,0:46:17.280
nothing on its feet then finally the sun
0:46:14.160,0:46:19.720
popped out at about 11:00 and we we
0:46:17.280,0:46:21.160
fixing to go eat lunch and uh had Cody
0:46:19.720,0:46:22.880
down here I told CU let's make one more
0:46:21.160,0:46:24.559
stand I got a spot up here I think you
0:46:22.880,0:46:26.640
know it's it's tied on the thicket we
0:46:24.559,0:46:28.240
might call one right there
0:46:26.640,0:46:30.359
and uh I said it's on the way we're
0:46:28.240,0:46:32.720
going to go eat lunch so we make that
0:46:30.359,0:46:35.240
stand and sure enough four or five
0:46:32.720,0:46:39.240
minutes in the Colin with a brand new
0:46:35.240,0:46:41.800
mfk rabbit cocktail sauce just a few
0:46:39.240,0:46:44.920
minutes into it here comes a a mangio as
0:46:41.800,0:46:47.599
a mang KY is rough shape come burning in
0:46:44.920,0:46:50.280
I mean just a awesome call in we shot
0:46:47.599,0:46:52.839
him like 30 Steps From the call from the
0:46:50.280,0:46:56.240
x24 what happened was we couldn't buy
0:46:52.839,0:46:59.040
coyote for almost a full day that whole
0:46:56.240,0:47:00.800
uh you know half a day the day before
0:46:59.040,0:47:03.599
then all that morning then when that sun
0:47:00.800,0:47:04.920
popped out killed a coow at 11:30 right
0:47:03.599,0:47:06.520
in the middle of the day that come in
0:47:04.920,0:47:08.640
like it was a firstand in the morning
0:47:06.520,0:47:11.200
just beautiful and I swear I think it's
0:47:08.640,0:47:13.200
what you said that sun popped out it
0:47:11.200,0:47:15.760
wasn't no warmer it was still in the
0:47:13.200,0:47:17.240
single digit temps but that sun felt
0:47:15.760,0:47:18.520
good when it was hitting you if you know
0:47:17.240,0:47:19.720
what I mean and the Cure out there
0:47:18.520,0:47:22.400
feeling that
0:47:19.720,0:47:24.440
too A lot of it I think you can you can
0:47:22.400,0:47:26.839
judge a lot of it just based off how the
0:47:24.440,0:47:29.960
day feels to you I think animals and I
0:47:26.839,0:47:31.880
see that with the coachs you know it's
0:47:29.960,0:47:33.319
you can judge a lot of it that way and
0:47:31.880,0:47:37.000
not get
0:47:33.319,0:47:39.040
as you know as technical with trying to
0:47:37.000,0:47:42.200
tie it to barometric pressure or
0:47:39.040,0:47:43.880
something like that but has over the
0:47:42.200,0:47:46.240
years I mean this has been a topic of
0:47:43.880,0:47:48.920
conversation for a long time and a lot
0:47:46.240,0:47:50.720
of times with some of these big deer
0:47:48.920,0:47:52.680
hunters and stuff like yeah it's tied
0:47:50.720,0:47:54.520
back to product sales so I wouldn't pay
0:47:52.680,0:47:57.240
a whole lot of attention to to some of
0:47:54.520,0:47:58.839
that sometimes you know with with that
0:47:57.240,0:48:01.359
but if people are
0:47:58.839,0:48:02.800
just if you like me or like you and
0:48:01.359,0:48:05.559
you're looking at that stuff and you're
0:48:02.800,0:48:07.359
completely unbiased maybe you're looking
0:48:05.559,0:48:09.880
you know like with me I'm wanting there
0:48:07.359,0:48:13.319
to be something to give me an advantage
0:48:09.880,0:48:15.400
for when I'm GNA hunt or you know what
0:48:13.319,0:48:18.079
time I how long I may sit there if I'm
0:48:15.400,0:48:19.960
on a deer stand or cow cin I'm looking
0:48:18.079,0:48:23.920
for something to give me that edge so
0:48:19.960,0:48:27.280
I've been you know I've been optimistic
0:48:23.920,0:48:30.440
about some of this stuff with the moon
0:48:27.280,0:48:33.920
all that but if you just look at
0:48:30.440,0:48:36.839
it unbiased and you keep every keep in
0:48:33.920,0:48:38.440
mind that if you're gonna you know if
0:48:36.839,0:48:41.319
you're going to test that stuff you've
0:48:38.440,0:48:43.880
got to have a control that's that's
0:48:41.319,0:48:45.400
pretty similar day in and day out and if
0:48:43.880,0:48:47.559
you do all that and you're unbiased
0:48:45.400,0:48:50.200
about it I think you'll find that
0:48:47.559,0:48:51.880
there's not a lot of consistency well
0:48:50.200,0:48:54.040
there's not any consistency that I've
0:48:51.880,0:48:56.280
been able to find with any of it and so
0:48:54.040,0:48:59.440
it basically just boils down to the time
0:48:56.280,0:49:02.119
spent day in day out and you if you
0:48:59.440,0:49:04.720
spend time and and Hunt what are
0:49:02.119,0:49:07.559
obviously good days you know I'm not
0:49:04.720,0:49:09.520
saying that because I mean nobody's
0:49:07.559,0:49:11.599
going out there in a thunderstorm and
0:49:09.520,0:49:14.000
expecting to have good luck regardless
0:49:11.599,0:49:16.119
of other conditions Moon phay whatever
0:49:14.000,0:49:17.240
but you know day in day out if you've
0:49:16.119,0:49:20.000
got normal
0:49:17.240,0:49:22.680
weather you just need to hunt right
0:49:20.000,0:49:24.240
you'll have you will have I promise you
0:49:22.680,0:49:26.480
because I've done it a bunch of times I
0:49:24.240,0:49:27.640
know you have too especially if you go
0:49:26.480,0:49:29.440
back and look at it that's something
0:49:27.640,0:49:30.799
else you can do get your phone out and
0:49:29.440,0:49:33.000
look at your pictures of when you had
0:49:30.799,0:49:35.480
good days and when you killed coachs or
0:49:33.000,0:49:38.040
when you killed deer go to that date and
0:49:35.480,0:49:40.680
time U
0:49:38.040,0:49:43.640
website and look that stuff up look up
0:49:40.680,0:49:45.440
that day and look up the moon position
0:49:43.640,0:49:47.160
overhead Under Foot and see if it ties
0:49:45.440,0:49:49.799
in and see if you come up with anything
0:49:47.160,0:49:53.880
and if you do then and you want to
0:49:49.799,0:49:56.240
believe in it then go for it but I think
0:49:53.880,0:49:58.960
what you'll end up finding is if if you
0:49:56.240,0:50:01.720
do it long enough you'll find out that
0:49:58.960,0:50:04.040
just being out there is H you know
0:50:01.720,0:50:05.400
that's the that's the main thing right
0:50:04.040,0:50:07.880
well let me ask you about this right
0:50:05.400,0:50:09.559
here and you kind of you you mentioned
0:50:07.880,0:50:13.359
this just a little bit a few minutes ago
0:50:09.559,0:50:16.280
but what about hunting before and after
0:50:13.359,0:50:18.280
weather fronts do you see any kind of
0:50:16.280,0:50:20.640
you know drastic changes with that you
0:50:18.280,0:50:24.119
know one thing I guess would be fair to
0:50:20.640,0:50:25.640
bring up is last year about this time we
0:50:24.119,0:50:27.640
were down there with Chris Robinson and
0:50:25.640,0:50:29.839
hunting we had an awesome trip but if
0:50:27.640,0:50:31.040
you remember that trip was busted up a
0:50:29.839,0:50:33.160
little bit while we was there we didn't
0:50:31.040,0:50:35.480
get to hunt just two or three straight
0:50:33.160,0:50:37.160
solid days we had we had weather we had
0:50:35.480,0:50:39.359
rain and wind that was you know like
0:50:37.160,0:50:41.119
we'd miss a morning because of rain and
0:50:39.359,0:50:44.160
but we still burned them up we did great
0:50:41.119,0:50:46.319
but do you see do you see anything you
0:50:44.160,0:50:48.000
know that you like to see like hey
0:50:46.319,0:50:49.960
there's a front coming in what what
0:50:48.000,0:50:51.960
about hunt before and after weather
0:50:49.960,0:50:54.280
fronts you know does that make much
0:50:51.960,0:50:55.640
difference if they're if they're small
0:50:54.280,0:50:56.760
weather fronts I don't play much
0:50:55.640,0:50:58.119
attention to them one way or the other
0:50:56.760,0:50:59.839
you know if it just blows in that
0:50:58.119,0:51:01.880
evening out that night I don't think it
0:50:59.839,0:51:04.119
makes a whole lot of yeah whole lot of
0:51:01.880,0:51:06.319
difference now those big fronts like
0:51:04.119,0:51:08.440
what we just had a lot of people had you
0:51:06.319,0:51:13.240
know blow through here the last week or
0:51:08.440,0:51:15.400
so I think those I like the the after
0:51:13.240,0:51:18.839
those fronts better I think it's more
0:51:15.400,0:51:21.160
predictable after um I think on the
0:51:18.839,0:51:22.640
front side people I think there may be
0:51:21.160,0:51:24.559
some correlation to it but a lot of
0:51:22.640,0:51:26.200
times people wait until the front has
0:51:24.559,0:51:29.960
started you know you can take you can
0:51:26.200,0:51:32.760
feel that front coming and so on the
0:51:29.960,0:51:35.280
front side of it I don't see as much I
0:51:32.760,0:51:36.960
think there may be some if you usually
0:51:35.280,0:51:38.440
you wake too late on the front side you
0:51:36.960,0:51:41.319
need to be hunting that day or two
0:51:38.440,0:51:43.599
before it gets there if it's a big front
0:51:41.319,0:51:45.760
and I don't pay a whole lot of attention
0:51:43.599,0:51:48.319
to that I've seen some good
0:51:45.760,0:51:51.400
days you know here and there before
0:51:48.319,0:51:55.200
those fronts but after big major extreme
0:51:51.400,0:51:57.920
weather you know rain snow temperatures
0:51:55.200,0:52:00.720
all all that wind anytime it's extreme
0:51:57.920,0:52:02.200
and it lasts for a couple days as soon
0:52:00.720,0:52:04.480
as it like we were talking about while
0:52:02.200,0:52:07.760
ago as soon as it starts to stabilize
0:52:04.480,0:52:10.599
that after the front pushes through that
0:52:07.760,0:52:12.240
next day of good weather usually it's
0:52:10.599,0:52:14.839
that second day afterwards where it's
0:52:12.240,0:52:16.839
really started to kind of stabilize I
0:52:14.839,0:52:20.240
like hunting behind those i' I've had
0:52:16.839,0:52:22.240
some really good days and I out of all
0:52:20.240,0:52:24.520
the stuff you talk about weather Moon
0:52:22.240,0:52:27.680
Bar Magic pressure all of that that's
0:52:24.520,0:52:29.640
the one time frame after those major
0:52:27.680,0:52:32.280
fronts that last a couple
0:52:29.640,0:52:34.760
days where you got extreme weather
0:52:32.280,0:52:35.680
changes that's that's where I think
0:52:34.760,0:52:37.880
there's
0:52:35.680,0:52:40.359
usually fairly
0:52:37.880,0:52:42.160
predictable movement with with having
0:52:40.359,0:52:43.520
those good days and I think it goes
0:52:42.160,0:52:46.280
right back to what we were talking about
0:52:43.520,0:52:48.880
before when you have that extreme
0:52:46.280,0:52:51.440
weather they they don't have a choice
0:52:48.880,0:52:54.119
they pretty much have to Honker down and
0:52:51.440,0:52:56.680
and take cover just like we do during
0:52:54.119,0:52:59.280
that time frame I mean when you've got
0:52:56.680,0:53:01.599
extreme weather they're not out in it
0:52:59.280,0:53:03.920
and so when they get the chance and that
0:53:01.599,0:53:06.599
stuff passes through I think that's when
0:53:03.920,0:53:08.920
you get your your most reliable
0:53:06.599,0:53:11.200
consistent right and it's the same I
0:53:08.920,0:53:13.960
said it's the same for us when all that
0:53:11.200,0:53:15.760
nasty stuff's coming through most people
0:53:13.960,0:53:18.240
ain't doing nothing either if they don't
0:53:15.760,0:53:20.280
have to you know yeah you ain't out you
0:53:18.240,0:53:21.720
ain't out in your yard on that day for
0:53:20.280,0:53:23.960
sure yeah you know just like if you got
0:53:21.720,0:53:25.799
a Beach vacation you laid up on the
0:53:23.960,0:53:28.559
beach and all a sudden it BLS up a big
0:53:25.799,0:53:30.400
old storm and blowing 35 mph and
0:53:28.559,0:53:32.559
thundering and lightning you ain't late
0:53:30.400,0:53:35.440
on the beach you back in the house
0:53:32.559,0:53:38.119
watching TV next day after gone when you
0:53:35.440,0:53:40.559
back out there on the beach right that's
0:53:38.119,0:53:43.280
right and going back to the GPS studies
0:53:40.559,0:53:46.040
they they correlate with that their
0:53:43.280,0:53:47.720
movement that shows that they are bedded
0:53:46.040,0:53:50.520
they're hunkered down they're not moving
0:53:47.720,0:53:53.480
much during extreme weather yeah now
0:53:50.520,0:53:56.079
after it passes and you know then all of
0:53:53.480,0:53:58.799
a sudden they're moving again and so I
0:53:56.079,0:54:00.480
think that's your your best chance to to
0:53:58.799,0:54:02.599
do it and there may be a little bit of
0:54:00.480,0:54:05.079
it you know a little bit of it on the
0:54:02.599,0:54:07.920
front side but I'm not near as big on
0:54:05.079,0:54:09.559
the front side as I am on the back side
0:54:07.920,0:54:13.480
the front that's one of the questions we
0:54:09.559,0:54:15.799
get a lot is you know I it'll be raining
0:54:13.480,0:54:20.079
cats and dogs I'll have somebody message
0:54:15.799,0:54:22.240
me say hey is is my whatever Fox Pro
0:54:20.079,0:54:24.760
unit I'm running they'll tell me what it
0:54:22.240,0:54:26.760
is is it waterproof will it hurt me if I
0:54:24.760,0:54:28.079
go out in this weather and try to call
0:54:26.760,0:54:31.799
coyotes and I'm
0:54:28.079,0:54:33.400
like I'm like you know why why why do
0:54:31.799,0:54:36.839
you want to
0:54:33.400,0:54:38.720
go you know I'm not even that's the last
0:54:36.839,0:54:41.599
thing on my mind so you know I was
0:54:38.720,0:54:42.920
telling I you know I'd be very cautious
0:54:41.599,0:54:44.240
you don't want to just pour a bucket of
0:54:42.920,0:54:46.000
water down the Horn of that thing it
0:54:44.240,0:54:47.799
ain't going to be very good for it I
0:54:46.000,0:54:49.000
said you know there's a lot of pretty
0:54:47.799,0:54:52.559
days out there have to worry about the
0:54:49.000,0:54:55.520
nasty ones but U what what about let me
0:54:52.559,0:54:58.200
ask you about this story what about um
0:54:55.520,0:54:59.599
those better than average days hunting
0:54:58.200,0:55:01.160
when you go out there and everything
0:54:59.599,0:55:03.319
just falls into place and you just
0:55:01.160,0:55:06.799
absolutely pile them up do you think
0:55:03.319,0:55:09.720
there's any kind of magic formula that's
0:55:06.799,0:55:12.400
kind of just everything lined up with
0:55:09.720,0:55:14.880
barometric pressure and moon phases and
0:55:12.400,0:55:16.319
temperatures and fronts moving in and
0:55:14.880,0:55:18.000
out and all that stuff do you see there
0:55:16.319,0:55:19.400
you think there's any magic formula that
0:55:18.000,0:55:21.079
made that happen or do you think it's
0:55:19.400,0:55:22.359
just that she luck of you planned
0:55:21.079,0:55:25.839
everything out
0:55:22.359,0:55:28.520
right luckily hit it right and the right
0:55:25.839,0:55:30.079
sounds I think more than it just like I
0:55:28.520,0:55:31.880
said in that post you know I kind of
0:55:30.079,0:55:34.760
typed up something real similar to that
0:55:31.880,0:55:37.240
to where you know if there is one of
0:55:34.760,0:55:39.880
those days where all of that stuff moon
0:55:37.240,0:55:41.680
position moon phase barometric pressure
0:55:39.880,0:55:44.839
it's a pretty day you know all of that
0:55:41.680,0:55:46.280
kind of stuff lines up good then there's
0:55:44.839,0:55:47.920
probably pretty high odds those are
0:55:46.280,0:55:49.559
gonna be some of those good days calling
0:55:47.920,0:55:53.319
but you could also have a bad day
0:55:49.559,0:55:57.000
calling and it may be as simple as the
0:55:53.319,0:56:00.880
spots you picked the the animals and and
0:55:57.000,0:56:03.599
them being there or not and
0:56:00.880,0:56:05.480
so kind of going with what you just said
0:56:03.599,0:56:07.680
I think it's more just that was a good
0:56:05.480,0:56:10.599
day for you and the plan the strategy
0:56:07.680,0:56:13.760
that you had laid out for that day more
0:56:10.599,0:56:16.400
so than it was any of that stuff now
0:56:13.760,0:56:17.720
there's no way to prove kind of going
0:56:16.400,0:56:20.160
back to to what we were talking about
0:56:17.720,0:56:23.280
about if you had a day off work I guess
0:56:20.160,0:56:25.799
if I were going to to pick and choose my
0:56:23.280,0:56:29.039
days because I had to I couldn't hunt
0:56:25.799,0:56:32.480
every day because of work or something
0:56:29.039,0:56:34.559
and I had to pick and choose then it
0:56:32.480,0:56:37.039
makes sense to me to pick those days
0:56:34.559,0:56:40.160
that you know if I saw all this stuff is
0:56:37.039,0:56:42.319
gonna line up well that tells me that
0:56:40.160,0:56:44.000
for one that's gonna be a a pretty day
0:56:42.319,0:56:46.359
that's gonna be a good day yeah you know
0:56:44.000,0:56:48.920
I'm gonna want to be out there yeah yeah
0:56:46.359,0:56:50.880
and so if there's that chance that maybe
0:56:48.920,0:56:54.480
all of that and I think there
0:56:50.880,0:56:58.280
is does any of this stuff affect animals
0:56:54.480,0:57:00.799
Maybe maybe to a certain degree but
0:56:58.280,0:57:03.680
there's no way nothing has proven it
0:57:00.799,0:57:08.720
nothing can put any consistent reliable
0:57:03.680,0:57:11.079
predictor to it so all I would do as far
0:57:08.720,0:57:13.760
as paying any attention to it outside of
0:57:11.079,0:57:14.880
just my own curiosity and trying to to
0:57:13.760,0:57:17.799
figure it
0:57:14.880,0:57:20.160
out the only thing I would do with it is
0:57:17.799,0:57:23.200
is just like that if if I had days that
0:57:20.160,0:57:26.799
I was picking and couldn't go every day
0:57:23.200,0:57:30.559
then I would probably you know pick my
0:57:26.799,0:57:33.119
vacation time or my day off based
0:57:30.559,0:57:35.319
on that being a better day just because
0:57:33.119,0:57:39.200
all that stuff lines up and maybe it
0:57:35.319,0:57:42.599
gives me a a slightly better chance but
0:57:39.200,0:57:45.280
overall I'm going regardless if I if I
0:57:42.599,0:57:47.880
have the opportunity I'm gonna hunt all
0:57:45.280,0:57:50.240
of those days and you never know which
0:57:47.880,0:57:51.760
one of them that one that lines up where
0:57:50.240,0:57:54.400
everything looks perfect that may be
0:57:51.760,0:57:56.880
your worst day or it may be your best
0:57:54.400,0:57:58.280
it's just TOS up on oh man there been
0:57:56.880,0:58:01.400
there've been several times I've been
0:57:58.280,0:58:04.319
out Coy calling and U didn't do nothing
0:58:01.400,0:58:05.960
you know just stunk it up got skunked
0:58:04.319,0:58:07.319
and might be with somebody running a
0:58:05.960,0:58:09.680
camera or with just a buddy just
0:58:07.319,0:58:11.200
pleasure hunting I look over said man
0:58:09.680,0:58:12.680
something ain't right that Moon you know
0:58:11.200,0:58:15.119
something ain't right you know they just
0:58:12.680,0:58:17.160
ain't coming today get home and get
0:58:15.119,0:58:18.880
Kickbacks I see what's going on on
0:58:17.160,0:58:20.920
Facebook get scrolling through there I
0:58:18.880,0:58:24.200
see somebody down the road that couldn't
0:58:20.920,0:58:25.680
kill a cow to save her life that killed
0:58:24.200,0:58:29.079
12
0:58:25.680,0:58:33.880
yeah you know what I mean so
0:58:29.079,0:58:37.000
yeah and you know the the just my honest
0:58:33.880,0:58:40.599
thoughts on it and and the way I feel
0:58:37.000,0:58:44.119
about myself with the deal
0:58:40.599,0:58:45.720
is if you put the effort in to learn as
0:58:44.119,0:58:47.880
much as you can about the animal that
0:58:45.720,0:58:50.200
you're hunting and you put the effort in
0:58:47.880,0:58:51.960
to have the ground to hunt it on and
0:58:50.200,0:58:55.079
know that it's holding whatever animal
0:58:51.960,0:58:58.240
you're after coats in this case you put
0:58:55.079,0:59:01.359
all that together and You' have figured
0:58:58.240,0:59:03.880
out how to call them up and kill them
0:59:01.359,0:59:05.559
then you don't really need to worry
0:59:03.880,0:59:08.079
about any of that other stuff I'm
0:59:05.559,0:59:10.160
confident in and there's a lot of other
0:59:08.079,0:59:11.520
guys that feel the same way you you said
0:59:10.160,0:59:14.720
you've already said you don't pay any
0:59:11.520,0:59:16.599
attention to it no you know that if it
0:59:14.720,0:59:17.680
outside of extreme weather that just
0:59:16.599,0:59:20.240
shuts you
0:59:17.680,0:59:21.799
down you pretty confident that you can
0:59:20.240,0:59:24.000
go out there regardless of what the
0:59:21.799,0:59:25.520
pressure is the moon phase or any of
0:59:24.000,0:59:28.400
that temperature or any of that other
0:59:25.520,0:59:31.119
stuff if it's just your your average
0:59:28.400,0:59:32.920
weather for that time of the year you
0:59:31.119,0:59:35.079
can go to a spot and if you've done
0:59:32.920,0:59:37.440
everything else and know that you're
0:59:35.079,0:59:39.160
calling to codes you gonna call them up
0:59:37.440,0:59:42.599
and kill them that other stuff does not
0:59:39.160,0:59:44.680
matter you you will have those good days
0:59:42.599,0:59:46.599
regardless of the weather and then you
0:59:44.680,0:59:49.319
have some other days that even though
0:59:46.599,0:59:53.359
you know what you're doing you may have
0:59:49.319,0:59:55.359
slower days but if it's if it's average
0:59:53.359,0:59:59.640
weather you usually we're going to call
0:59:55.359,1:00:03.400
up some coats yeah yeah yeah I like I
0:59:59.640,1:00:07.480
like I like those average days those you
1:00:03.400,1:00:09.280
know consistent temperatures for what
1:00:07.480,1:00:11.079
the daily average should be for that
1:00:09.280,1:00:12.359
time of year that's those are my
1:00:11.079,1:00:13.839
favorite days it's like when we seen
1:00:12.359,1:00:15.480
these guys talking about it dropping
1:00:13.839,1:00:16.640
down in the single digits and could not
1:00:15.480,1:00:18.680
wait to get out there and I'm sitting
1:00:16.640,1:00:20.520
there thinking like man I kill a lot
1:00:18.680,1:00:22.960
more coats if it was
1:00:20.520,1:00:25.280
45 you know you know and I'll feel a lot
1:00:22.960,1:00:27.480
better doing it and you know I is pretty
1:00:25.280,1:00:29.599
much summon up on my end way I look at
1:00:27.480,1:00:33.200
it no M and we're going back to moon
1:00:29.599,1:00:36.079
phase no matter what the moon phase is a
1:00:33.200,1:00:39.799
coyote is a coyote they still have to
1:00:36.079,1:00:41.440
feed they still have to drink water and
1:00:39.799,1:00:43.039
depending on what time of year it is
1:00:41.440,1:00:45.119
they still going to have that paternal
1:00:43.039,1:00:47.079
Instinct if it's breeding season they're
1:00:45.119,1:00:50.480
still going to have that that urge to
1:00:47.079,1:00:53.000
make babies it's just you know it don't
1:00:50.480,1:00:55.640
matter it's it you know it you still got
1:00:53.000,1:00:56.960
to be a Cy no matter what's going on
1:00:55.640,1:00:59.319
yeah that was one of
1:00:56.960,1:01:01.640
the that was one of the main points I
1:00:59.319,1:01:05.000
was trying to make in that post you
1:01:01.640,1:01:06.599
know and we talked about it earlier
1:01:05.000,1:01:10.599
Common Sense tells you that these
1:01:06.599,1:01:13.760
animals have their natural and
1:01:10.599,1:01:15.880
instinctual daily movement patterns
1:01:13.760,1:01:17.880
based around surviving I mean that's
1:01:15.880,1:01:19.799
that is the bottom line they have to do
1:01:17.880,1:01:21.359
certain things every day to
1:01:19.799,1:01:24.240
survive
1:01:21.359,1:01:26.799
and that means they have to move they
1:01:24.240,1:01:29.039
have to move to survive to eat to do all
1:01:26.799,1:01:31.039
those things you just mentioned and
1:01:29.039,1:01:34.480
regardless of all those other factors
1:01:31.039,1:01:36.599
they pretty much have to do it yep so
1:01:34.480,1:01:39.680
you got you just take advantage of that
1:01:36.599,1:01:42.200
and really this will aggravates people
1:01:39.680,1:01:44.520
sometimes but I I truly feel this way
1:01:42.200,1:01:47.319
and I've even tried to do it you know
1:01:44.520,1:01:49.200
for myself when I've had bad days deer
1:01:47.319,1:01:51.960
hunting or cow hunting or
1:01:49.200,1:01:54.000
whatever people look for an excuse for
1:01:51.960,1:01:56.279
why they don't have success right they
1:01:54.000,1:01:59.839
want to reason for why I'm not calling
1:01:56.279,1:02:03.480
up CS why I'm not this other guy's you
1:01:59.839,1:02:06.119
know he's doing this well this is why
1:02:03.480,1:02:07.319
he's having success and I'm not and a
1:02:06.119,1:02:11.400
lot of
1:02:07.319,1:02:13.599
times people will use things like the
1:02:11.400,1:02:17.240
moon or the weather or whatever they can
1:02:13.599,1:02:19.520
come up with for an excuse to why
1:02:17.240,1:02:22.359
they're not having success and a lot of
1:02:19.520,1:02:25.680
times it's just maybe you need to put a
1:02:22.359,1:02:27.359
little more effort and time into to
1:02:25.680,1:02:29.079
going out there and making sure that
1:02:27.359,1:02:30.480
you're a lot of times it boils down to
1:02:29.079,1:02:31.799
whether or not you're calling Cs and
1:02:30.480,1:02:34.000
whether or not you're calling fresh
1:02:31.799,1:02:36.839
ground right right keeping all that
1:02:34.000,1:02:39.599
stuff and it's not if you look for an
1:02:36.839,1:02:43.760
excuse to to why you're not having
1:02:39.599,1:02:45.799
success and you use that as a reason to
1:02:43.760,1:02:50.440
not put forth effort you're gonna
1:02:45.799,1:02:52.640
continue to be unsuccessful yeah and you
1:02:50.440,1:02:55.440
know I I think a lot of people
1:02:52.640,1:02:58.000
use all these different factors with the
1:02:55.440,1:03:00.720
moon barometric pressure weather you
1:02:58.000,1:03:03.200
know something something ain't right
1:03:00.720,1:03:06.279
that made it's not their fault well I
1:03:03.200,1:03:08.160
somebody something else caused it yeah
1:03:06.279,1:03:10.880
sometimes it's just as simple
1:03:08.160,1:03:12.920
as how much effort did you put into that
1:03:10.880,1:03:15.599
stand you made did you know that you
1:03:12.920,1:03:18.160
were calling a cat on that stand did you
1:03:15.599,1:03:20.559
make two or three stands and then say
1:03:18.160,1:03:23.760
well that damn full moon I ain't
1:03:20.559,1:03:25.720
call or do you do like y'all did and
1:03:23.760,1:03:27.160
when there's bad weather on top of you
1:03:25.720,1:03:29.319
do like y'all do y'all keep making
1:03:27.160,1:03:31.599
stands and all of a sudden bam there it
1:03:29.319,1:03:33.760
is call them up and then you you keep
1:03:31.599,1:03:37.160
calling them up effort effort goes a
1:03:33.760,1:03:40.520
long ways in being successful and along
1:03:37.160,1:03:42.440
the way you learn stuff like that I mean
1:03:40.520,1:03:45.160
you know it you've called it up a lot a
1:03:42.440,1:03:47.039
lot of guys know it you may have several
1:03:45.160,1:03:48.920
stands in a row that just ain't that
1:03:47.039,1:03:52.319
good and then all of a sudden that that
1:03:48.920,1:03:54.119
switch flips and they're turned on and
1:03:52.319,1:03:55.359
you're killing them and ain't got
1:03:54.119,1:03:57.760
nothing nothing to do with any of these
1:03:55.359,1:04:00.200
other conditions it's just you putting
1:03:57.760,1:04:03.279
out effort and catching those time
1:04:00.200,1:04:05.480
frames and making you know making your
1:04:03.279,1:04:07.799
own success out of that deal well you
1:04:05.480,1:04:09.400
know you know and I said that earlier
1:04:07.799,1:04:12.240
that I used to make I used to make
1:04:09.400,1:04:13.960
excuses you know wasn't calling nothing
1:04:12.240,1:04:15.440
up there had to be something going on
1:04:13.960,1:04:17.599
environmental that they just wasn't
1:04:15.440,1:04:19.720
coming but you know after years of
1:04:17.599,1:04:21.119
hunting and years of experience doing
1:04:19.720,1:04:22.839
this type of stuff I've got all the
1:04:21.119,1:04:24.599
confidence in the world that I that you
1:04:22.839,1:04:27.000
know ever St I'm not going to make stand
1:04:24.599,1:04:28.640
unless I think I can call a cow up I'm
1:04:27.000,1:04:31.319
confident from the time I hit that
1:04:28.640,1:04:34.160
button to the time I turn it off okay
1:04:31.319,1:04:35.440
you know I I I'm confident every second
1:04:34.160,1:04:37.559
of that stand I think I'm going to kill
1:04:35.440,1:04:39.799
a Cy I don't get down thinking there's
1:04:37.559,1:04:41.760
nothing around well yeah I chalk it up
1:04:39.799,1:04:45.200
too now if I make a dry
1:04:41.760,1:04:47.000
stand I look at it just as if well you
1:04:45.200,1:04:49.119
know maybe I've put too much pressure on
1:04:47.000,1:04:50.760
these Couts I'm I'm calling to a
1:04:49.119,1:04:53.240
pressured Co that just ain't going to
1:04:50.760,1:04:55.559
come you know I can live with that and
1:04:53.240,1:04:57.240
the other thing is is hey there wasn't a
1:04:55.559,1:04:58.839
Coy there there wasn't a Coy that heard
1:04:57.240,1:05:00.559
me he wasn't home right there when I
1:04:58.839,1:05:02.119
called to him I'm still got that
1:05:00.559,1:05:04.160
confidence that you know no matter what
1:05:02.119,1:05:05.839
to stand is if I'm making it I think I'm
1:05:04.160,1:05:07.799
going to call a Coy up if he doesn't
1:05:05.839,1:05:10.319
come it was just something that just
1:05:07.799,1:05:12.440
didn't work out and it wasn't a moon it
1:05:10.319,1:05:15.359
was just maybe the KY wasn't there or
1:05:12.440,1:05:16.799
whatever yeah yeah and and going right
1:05:15.359,1:05:18.319
now we're probably getting towards the
1:05:16.799,1:05:20.279
end of it but going right back to what
1:05:18.319,1:05:21.960
we said at the beginning if if people
1:05:20.279,1:05:23.440
have found them a formula and it works
1:05:21.960,1:05:24.599
for them and they believe in it stick
1:05:23.440,1:05:26.400
with it I don't
1:05:24.599,1:05:28.640
yeah I don't have I'm not telling you
1:05:26.400,1:05:30.960
not to do it I'm just giving you you
1:05:28.640,1:05:33.599
know personal experience and yeah kind
1:05:30.960,1:05:35.760
of like the camo deal you know normally
1:05:33.599,1:05:38.400
in the winter time I'm wearing camo
1:05:35.760,1:05:39.920
while I'm deer hunting yep not because I
1:05:38.400,1:05:43.240
think him deer gonna see me if I'm
1:05:39.920,1:05:44.960
sitting up in there with without camo on
1:05:43.240,1:05:47.599
but because the clothes that I wear in
1:05:44.960,1:05:49.520
the winter time most of the stuff is
1:05:47.599,1:05:51.559
comfortable and it keeps me warm most of
1:05:49.520,1:05:53.599
it is camouflage right during the
1:05:51.559,1:05:56.599
summertime a lot of time I'm people have
1:05:53.599,1:05:58.839
seen you know the videos red t-shirt
1:05:56.599,1:06:00.640
might you yeah they man you what you got
1:05:58.839,1:06:03.160
against camo I don't have anything
1:06:00.640,1:06:05.520
against camo and if you you know it
1:06:03.160,1:06:07.520
might even give you a slight Advantage
1:06:05.520,1:06:10.119
but it basically comes down to being
1:06:07.520,1:06:13.640
steel but I always tell people hey if it
1:06:10.119,1:06:15.559
makes you feel more confident to to put
1:06:13.640,1:06:17.799
on camouflage I mean if you want to put
1:06:15.559,1:06:20.240
makeup all over your face and and all
1:06:17.799,1:06:22.119
that kind of stuff you can do that too
1:06:20.240,1:06:24.880
if it gives you more confidence I don't
1:06:22.119,1:06:28.559
I don't have anything you wearing face
1:06:24.880,1:06:28.559
paint next month in
1:06:30.119,1:06:34.319
Texas like I said I'll bring you I'll
1:06:32.720,1:06:37.400
bring you a
1:06:34.319,1:06:39.240
stick if people want to put it on you
1:06:37.400,1:06:40.960
know and there was a time hey when I
1:06:39.240,1:06:42.599
first started predator hunting I decked
1:06:40.960,1:06:45.359
out just like I do turkey hunting
1:06:42.599,1:06:48.760
because birds can see oh yeah birds can
1:06:45.359,1:06:51.000
see so you know hting that gloves all
1:06:48.760,1:06:54.760
that kind of stuff all decked out in
1:06:51.000,1:06:56.200
camo well then I realized you know just
1:06:54.760,1:06:57.400
mainly because I wanted to hunt a lot
1:06:56.200,1:07:00.839
which we're getting off on another
1:06:57.400,1:07:02.480
subject I know but you know I realized
1:07:00.839,1:07:04.839
in go this movements what they were
1:07:02.480,1:07:05.920
picking up on and if they picked me out
1:07:04.839,1:07:08.559
is either because I didn't have
1:07:05.920,1:07:10.480
background cover or you know they done
1:07:08.559,1:07:12.720
got so close it it's too late before
1:07:10.480,1:07:14.920
they picking me out you know if I was
1:07:12.720,1:07:17.039
sitting still so yeah but the point I
1:07:14.920,1:07:18.760
was trying to make is you know if if
1:07:17.039,1:07:21.359
wearing camo
1:07:18.760,1:07:24.359
and wearing face paint and all that kind
1:07:21.359,1:07:28.119
of stuff and hunting on a on a dark moon
1:07:24.359,1:07:30.000
gives you more confidence then hey go
1:07:28.119,1:07:32.960
for it you know whatever whatever you
1:07:30.000,1:07:34.760
feel like works for you but yep totally
1:07:32.960,1:07:37.119
agree totally hey I got something for
1:07:34.760,1:07:39.119
you about that face net and stuff I used
1:07:37.119,1:07:40.680
to get people would message me quite
1:07:39.119,1:07:43.680
often and say hey man I noticed in your
1:07:40.680,1:07:47.160
videos you don't never wear a face face
1:07:43.680,1:07:49.599
net neck Gator or a face paint when
1:07:47.160,1:07:52.760
you're deer hunting and coyot Callin or
1:07:49.599,1:07:54.839
Bobcat Callin why is that and I've
1:07:52.760,1:07:57.160
always told him I said you know a coyot
1:07:54.839,1:08:00.319
gets close enough where he sees my face
1:07:57.160,1:08:01.279
and it it gives me away that sucker
1:08:00.319,1:08:04.680
already
1:08:01.279,1:08:04.680
dead yeah
1:08:05.200,1:08:09.319
yeah he's in trouble then I've had
1:08:07.760,1:08:10.880
people you know message me and tell me
1:08:09.319,1:08:13.680
you well you couldn't do that on these
1:08:10.880,1:08:16.319
CS want a
1:08:13.680,1:08:17.799
bet they must have better them CS out
1:08:16.319,1:08:20.239
there got better eyes than these do
1:08:17.799,1:08:22.199
around hey I I hear the same thing and
1:08:20.239,1:08:24.120
and there's been often times I get that
1:08:22.199,1:08:25.400
I'll see that message or at comment the
1:08:24.120,1:08:26.960
thing is I might have been out there in
1:08:25.400,1:08:30.239
their country two weeks ago and burn
1:08:26.960,1:08:31.600
them up oh oh I know it I know that's a
1:08:30.239,1:08:33.920
different subject that's a different
1:08:31.600,1:08:35.319
subject there but I got I've got one
1:08:33.920,1:08:37.719
question for you and I already know the
1:08:35.319,1:08:38.799
answer to it you know I always try to
1:08:37.719,1:08:41.279
put you on the spot and this really
1:08:38.799,1:08:45.560
ain't going to be that rough on you okay
1:08:41.279,1:08:47.400
say if I say Tor next January let's get
1:08:45.560,1:08:49.440
some hunt going I want you to plan it
1:08:47.400,1:08:51.520
out you know you we go to this state
1:08:49.440,1:08:53.839
we're going there in January you pick
1:08:51.520,1:08:55.960
out whatever three days in that month
1:08:53.839,1:08:59.000
month that we're going to go hunting and
1:08:55.960,1:09:01.759
you just plan it and I'll be there um
1:08:59.000,1:09:03.520
are you are you checking the moon guide
1:09:01.759,1:09:05.120
to see what the moon's doing for any of
1:09:03.520,1:09:07.400
those days is that gonna be a factor for
1:09:05.120,1:09:10.520
how you plan out that hunt in
1:09:07.400,1:09:13.159
January no I mean I
1:09:10.520,1:09:14.719
would goes back to what we said earlier
1:09:13.159,1:09:16.600
if we had three days and that's just
1:09:14.719,1:09:18.199
when it hit out we'd make it happen I
1:09:16.600,1:09:21.040
mean we'd kill some
1:09:18.199,1:09:22.839
coat there you main if I looked at the
1:09:21.040,1:09:24.359
weather it' be just just making sure we
1:09:22.839,1:09:27.880
wasn't going to have wed
1:09:24.359,1:09:30.759
exactly exactly exactly well that's all
1:09:27.880,1:09:35.920
I all I needed to know so to sum it up
1:09:30.759,1:09:40.120
for this podcast and again Tori not a
1:09:35.920,1:09:43.400
biologist John not a biologist but Tor
1:09:40.120,1:09:45.640
just one last question you see no
1:09:43.400,1:09:48.719
significant factors when it comes to
1:09:45.640,1:09:50.400
calling coyes with moon phase and
1:09:48.719,1:09:53.520
barometric
1:09:50.400,1:09:55.960
pressure at all no no I don't think
1:09:53.520,1:09:58.280
there's anything predictable or reliable
1:09:55.960,1:10:00.760
just just go hunt and uh put that effort
1:09:58.280,1:10:03.520
in you'll you'll have success there you
1:10:00.760,1:10:05.600
go boys go out there and gal get out
1:10:03.520,1:10:06.880
there and get the calling to you want to
1:10:05.600,1:10:08.320
you want to leave us with anything
1:10:06.880,1:10:10.719
before we jump off
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we're here to we're here to hopefully
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you find it entertaining but at the same
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time you know this is about education we
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want you guys to be better Predator
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cerss whether you're after coats Fox
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Bobcats whatever you know we want you to
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succeed we want you to succeed using our
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products we don't want to see none of
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you struggle so hopefully you're taking
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something away from this and we hope you
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enjoyed this episode we hope you join us
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