FOXPRO's Jon Collins talks everything coyote hunting with the "Oklahoma Coyote Reaper, Jeremy Nickel".
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls we're back
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welcome back to the fox Pro podcast I'm
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pretty excited about this episode we are
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joined by the Oklahoma Coy Grim Reaper
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himself Mr Jeremy nickel how's it going
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Jeremy pretty well pretty well how you
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doing all doing pretty good it's the
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best way I can describe you Jeremy ever
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since I started following you on
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Facebook and stuff man you got to be the
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ky's worst nightmare out there in in
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that Oklahoma
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country I
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try you don't give them no slack that's
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uh that's for sure pretty impressive
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stuff uh jerem if you don't care tell us
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uh a little bit more about yourself so
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people out there that's listening know
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know who Jeremy niichel
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is all right well um I guess I'll get
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this other way first my professional
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career what I do for um my professional
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career is I do GIS you know and I tell
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people that a lot of people don't know
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what is GIS so I guess the best way I
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would explain that is um Onyx Maps yep
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you know the people behind the scenes
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gather and symbolize and develop the
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apps the the people that put all that
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together um their GIS professionals so
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um that's basically what I do but I do
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it for local government um mostly civil
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engineering stuff but I also do it for
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like fire department police department I
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live in a small town or actually I live
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in the country but I work in a small
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population about
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50,000 but that's what I do
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for for a living but um as far as coyot
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hunting goes I guess
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um I guess I was born and raised here in
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Northwest
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Oklahoma yeah you know I've been guess
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I've been hunting for as long as I can
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remember yeah do do you do big game
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hunting and stuff like that too Jeremy
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or you just strictly kind of just
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Predator type stuff
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or actually that's what I first got into
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was deer hunting yeah you know when I
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was a little bitty kid my dad would take
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me deer hunting with him and like my
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earliest memories were him carrying me I
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remember we hunt a lot around the
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simmeron river and I remember him
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carrying me across the river you know
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and then put Lifting me up and putting
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me in trees this is before I was big
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enough to even carry a firearm right but
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then you know as as time progressed on
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you know he started putting a few
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firearms in my hand and um I guess you
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know I started out hunting just about
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everything I remember you know I was
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hunting
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Ducks rabbits you name it you know 410
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and a little um single shot 3030 before
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I was big enough to even shoulder I
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remember putting that firearm the
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buttstock in my armpit you know people
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get scope kissed you know yeah I got I
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got it I got it under the eye from the
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hammer you know oh the hammer oh I bet
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that was rough right
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there but you know it just kind of per
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progress on on from that you know kyotes
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were always there you know kyotes have
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always been around when hunting but no
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one no one in my family really really
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hunted him you know it's like I don't
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know I guess how to explain it my
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Grandpa you know on his farm raised my
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dad you know and for for them to hunt it
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was like you know they go out and they
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catch a mess of catfish or they shoot a
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mess of ducks and they go back and they
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clean it and they eat it and that's
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that's what the hunting was for yeah I
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mentioned it to my grandpa one time I
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like why do you want to fool with
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coyotes you can't eat those
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things well if you get hungry enough I
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guess you could but I ain't never got
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that hungry no I've heard about some
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people eating them too yeah I've heard
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Bobcats I've heard Bobcats really good
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too but I've never never M I've ate a
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few Bobcats I will say they're they're
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pretty good they kind of cook up like
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pork or they could be pretty tasty the
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especially like the younger female cats
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they're pretty good only ones I've ever
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had I was like man it's pretty rough is
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uh like your older like big Tom Cats man
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they uh they're pretty rough they kind
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of they kind of taste like how cat piss
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smells I guess would be the best way to
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describe it but there is I'm pretty it's
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pretty good eating really you know it
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Cooks up kind of white it uh it it
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reminds me of pork quite a bit but yeah
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I ain't trying no
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Coy yeah that's what I've heard it's
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it's white meat yeah I've heard about
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that yeah well guys here on the fox Pro
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podcast we you know we pull guests um
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that are some of the best Predator
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hunters in the world and in my opinion
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Jeremy you know Jeremy's one of those
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guys so I'm going to be asking Jeremy a
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few questions to get his Insight on KY
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Colin might even ask him a few questions
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about bobcats as well because I noticed
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he uh he has a knack for the cats you
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know what was it here just not too long
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ago you went out on an Excursion and
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kill what four cats in in a daytime in
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one day is that right
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Jer that's yeah I've never had a hunt
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like that before and I've been hunting
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them for a long time you know as a kid
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that was my that was my dream was to get
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get a bobcat I finally got one I think
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like in
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1987 yeah was like first one I got still
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got that still got that thing mounted
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yep guarantee guarantee you remember
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that encounter too don't you oh
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yeah well Jeremy what got what actually
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got you into the coy hunting and how
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long have you been doing it you
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mentioned your first cat there how how
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long have you been KY hunting and uh you
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know you was talking about you know
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going deer hunting with your dad ever
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since you can remember and stuff like
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that but what made you decide to
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actually go out and say Hey I want to
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try to call coyotes and see what this is
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all
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about it's hard to really say because
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you know I was growing up you know I was
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out there running around with the 20 to
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stuff and I was just hunting him and I
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mean that's what I wanted to hunt but
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right it's probably when I was 11 or 12
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I think when the first time I got a hand
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call Y you know and I remember you know
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back then I remember there was like a
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wies tale I heard someone talking about
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you could call in in coyotes with a
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squeaky door on a car squeaky brakes you
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know I heard that that first time I got
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that hand call you know I ran out there
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thinking that's what it was goingon to
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be these things are G to come running in
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yeah quickly learned that wasn't the
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case right
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right
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yeah there's a lot of people that thinks
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all it is is the push buttons are
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blowing on a hand call and they just
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come running from every direction
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there's a little bit more to it than
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that that's yeah that's even how it was
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that was even as you progressed on you
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always thought you know I'm doing
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something wrong with this hand called
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and like the first time I got um
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cassette tape with dying rabbit and I
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don't remember back in the 80s they had
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that ghetto blasters walk big silver
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radios yeah yeah that's a good way to
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put it that that was me with the um big
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silver radio and yeah dying rabbit you
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know I remember getting that dying
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rabbit tape you know thinking oh this is
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going to be it going out and finding out
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that wasn't it either I'm sure you did
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kill some to it though didn't you yeah I
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was killing him just not consistently
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you know like one of the first calls I
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ever got was I'm not gonna name the name
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of it was one of those real heavy ones
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you it's got a long cord attached to
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it
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and later on I progressed you know I got
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some of those other plastic e- callers
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and I would develop enough confidence in
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them you know I'd go and kill something
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with it you give me the confidence that
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I could do it but wasn't until I got
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into the more advanced calls later on
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that I really started consistently
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seeing the results right right well it
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uh you know I noticed you you do night
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hunting and and day hunting I'm assuming
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you started did you start out just day
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calling and then progressed into night
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calling yes in Oklahoma they just
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deregulated night hunting night hunting
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in November of
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um 2022 so I've just been night hunting
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a little little over the year oh right
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it was just I was a game changer man it
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once they did that my numbers just went
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up drastically right you know we we've
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got a ranch about 700 acres and um we've
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had it where you can register that with
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the game department for feral Hogs yep
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so I do a little bit of hog hunting at
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night you know but um never until they
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deregulated it where you can hunt on
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private land okay and then once they did
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that
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I invested in some higher end thermal
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and I don't know I thought there'd be a
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learning curve going from day hunting to
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night hunting but there was a little bit
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but right well kind of like Duck to
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water right well definitely seems that
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way you know and I've heard you know
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transitioning from day to night it seems
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like one of the things that you hear
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people have the most trouble out of is
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is shooting is you know you hear people
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say man you first get into it you'll
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miss a lot first starting out first
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starting out did you did you experience
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that or was you just take off running
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and didn't have any trouble with you
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know I hear people say they have trouble
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judging distance when they first
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transition
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over I did have some trouble judging
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distance you know but when I started
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night hunting and still to this day I
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got a different style I don't stand up I
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mean I hunt like I do during the day I
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sit on the stool okay on my shots I'm
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I'm resting my elbow on my knee y yep
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I mean the biggest thing one of the
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biggest transition I went to was from um
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bipod to tripod you know because you
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know you're using that the bipod I used
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the most was that Swagger QD yeah yeah
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you can adjust height so much on that if
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you're sitting on an elevated slope or
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something something coming behind you
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with that QD you know you can spread
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those legs apart and you're good to go
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but with the tripod it's a little bit
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different you know and keeping that that
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same
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shooting position with that muscle
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memory yep for yeah for sure yeah that
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is one that's a great point about those
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swagger qds like the QD 42s man just
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like you talking about changing
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elevation or you know either increasing
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or decreasing you a lot of times with
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any other kind of platform you got to be
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twisting legs and adjusting with those
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all you got to do is spread them out or
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bring them closer together and you're
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changing elevation so they're pretty you
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know they help you a lot out on those
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fast situations for for day calling
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that's for sure but that's really
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interesting that's really interesting
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you're talking about sitting on the
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ground night hunting cuz seems like the
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I don't know if I want to call it the
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fad but what you see most people doing
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nowadays for last several years is
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people just standing with their tripods
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elevated yeah I I'll Stand every once in
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a while the if the vegetation is too
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high right but um now I'm usually I
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haven't changed much than what I do
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during the day I mean there's some
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different setups I set up different I
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mean I've learned where they come out I
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mean there's some different there's some
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disadvantages you know I mean like when
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you're day hunting you can set up with
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your scent blowing out over an open open
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field and you're pretty confident them
0:11:16.240,0:11:19.760
kyotes aren't going to go out there
0:11:17.959,0:11:21.959
right you know you can set up and have
0:11:19.760,0:11:23.639
blocks and stuff like that at ni you
0:11:21.959,0:11:26.000
learn it's it's not you know you get
0:11:23.639,0:11:29.800
your head's on a swivel and one of the
0:11:26.000,0:11:31.120
reasons I went to tripod was during the
0:11:29.800,0:11:33.519
day I'm used to sitting there you know
0:11:31.120,0:11:36.000
when I call during the day I pretty much
0:11:33.519,0:11:39.440
have my elbow rested on my knee and I
0:11:36.000,0:11:40.760
have my gun and my shoulder and I'm
0:11:39.440,0:11:42.440
handed on the remote you know I'm
0:11:40.760,0:11:44.120
scanning then when I started night
0:11:42.440,0:11:45.320
hunting it's like okay I can't do that
0:11:44.120,0:11:49.079
no more because now I got to hold a
0:11:45.320,0:11:50.800
scanner up to my eye right right yeah so
0:11:49.079,0:11:53.480
that that was one big Advantage also
0:11:50.800,0:11:57.600
about a tripod was it it freed up that
0:11:53.480,0:11:59.560
other hand yes yes yeah no it makes it's
0:11:57.600,0:12:02.480
a that's a great point
0:11:59.560,0:12:04.279
and about the day hunting versus night
0:12:02.480,0:12:05.880
hunting do you still do quite a bit of
0:12:04.279,0:12:09.240
day stough or you pretty much just
0:12:05.880,0:12:11.079
basically night hunting nowadays I do
0:12:09.240,0:12:14.160
some da hunting here and there but not
0:12:11.079,0:12:15.720
as much as I used to but still I there's
0:12:14.160,0:12:18.000
there's a lot of stuff about the day I
0:12:15.720,0:12:20.320
miss I mean there's
0:12:18.000,0:12:22.079
a at night it's a lot different you
0:12:20.320,0:12:23.639
during the day you're seeing a lot more
0:12:22.079,0:12:26.399
stuff you're seeing the scenery and you
0:12:23.639,0:12:28.560
can kind of you can kind of days off and
0:12:26.399,0:12:29.720
look at the admire the sunset or
0:12:28.560,0:12:31.160
something like that you know and just
0:12:29.720,0:12:32.480
taking it in the moment but when you're
0:12:31.160,0:12:34.720
out there at night you're holding a
0:12:32.480,0:12:36.079
scanner up to your eye right so you're
0:12:34.720,0:12:38.240
not doing that so you're constantly
0:12:36.079,0:12:38.240
you're
0:12:38.480,0:12:44.880
not basking right I know how you how you
0:12:43.160,0:12:46.800
put it you know living in the moment or
0:12:44.880,0:12:48.320
something you know when you're out there
0:12:46.800,0:12:50.519
you got that tunnel vision and you're
0:12:48.320,0:12:51.800
focused and you're living through that
0:12:50.519,0:12:53.880
scanner
0:12:51.800,0:12:55.440
and and it's kind of it's a different
0:12:53.880,0:12:57.639
feel anyway because you know it's like a
0:12:55.440,0:13:00.560
digital image so it's not you know what
0:12:57.639,0:13:02.600
I mean it's I got I totally get it I I
0:13:00.560,0:13:04.959
understand that for sure it's addictive
0:13:02.600,0:13:07.360
it's addictive yeah oh yeah I mean
0:13:04.959,0:13:11.160
there's no doubt about that I don't do
0:13:07.360,0:13:13.600
hardly any of it really
0:13:11.160,0:13:17.320
the I don't even know how to put it I
0:13:13.600,0:13:20.000
guess the extent of my night hunting is
0:13:17.320,0:13:22.320
usually just helping out like behind a
0:13:20.000,0:13:24.600
camera it's usually guys from the office
0:13:22.320,0:13:26.800
they're all big night hunters and and
0:13:24.600,0:13:28.279
you know they've got I shouldn't say I
0:13:26.800,0:13:30.000
don't have the confidence I can get it
0:13:28.279,0:13:32.120
done I'm just always like hey guys you
0:13:30.000,0:13:33.600
the ones got the experience you just let
0:13:32.120,0:13:35.360
me know when something's coming in and
0:13:33.600,0:13:37.320
I'll hit record on his camera so it can
0:13:35.360,0:13:39.160
film you guys you know what I mean it's
0:13:37.320,0:13:42.160
just the that's pretty much the extent
0:13:39.160,0:13:44.360
of my experience with that but you know
0:13:42.160,0:13:46.399
I do when we're doing that I'll actually
0:13:44.360,0:13:48.519
be with a scanner myself and scanning to
0:13:46.399,0:13:50.199
help pick out animals but yeah I
0:13:48.519,0:13:53.320
understand what you're saying about that
0:13:50.199,0:13:55.680
it's it and I can I can tell where it's
0:13:53.320,0:13:57.600
can be extremely addicting cuz there's
0:13:55.680,0:13:59.440
nothing can hide from them thermals I
0:13:57.600,0:14:01.360
mean and there's so
0:13:59.440,0:14:03.120
many other animals that you're seeing at
0:14:01.360,0:14:04.600
night that you have never known was out
0:14:03.120,0:14:06.560
there it's pretty
0:14:04.600,0:14:08.120
cool yeah that's what you was talking
0:14:06.560,0:14:11.000
about judging distance you know I was
0:14:08.120,0:14:12.800
seeing those coyotes out there and I was
0:14:11.000,0:14:15.320
didn't have an lrf and I'm taking these
0:14:12.800,0:14:18.720
shots and I'm a little bit I'm used you
0:14:15.320,0:14:20.680
know I use a 22 250 Savage you know my
0:14:18.720,0:14:23.000
day my day gun I want to keep everything
0:14:20.680,0:14:25.240
consistent so when I bought the night
0:14:23.000,0:14:26.839
thermal I bought the exact same model
0:14:25.240,0:14:29.079
it's the same thing so it's all same
0:14:26.839,0:14:31.279
muscle memory and everything with that
0:14:29.079,0:14:33.000
day scope I mean you can see them you
0:14:31.279,0:14:35.240
can't see them as well during the day so
0:14:33.000,0:14:37.440
if you could see them in my terrain
0:14:35.240,0:14:39.360
during the day I could had a pretty good
0:14:37.440,0:14:41.079
chance of hitting them right then I went
0:14:39.360,0:14:43.120
out at night and I'm seeing all these
0:14:41.079,0:14:45.199
Coyotes out there and I'm taking these
0:14:43.120,0:14:47.079
shots and I see my Splash hitting really
0:14:45.199,0:14:49.800
really low
0:14:47.079,0:14:52.959
man a lot farther this thermal
0:14:49.800,0:14:54.399
outperforms me right right well and
0:14:52.959,0:14:57.360
that's one thing I've
0:14:54.399,0:14:59.040
noticed like here in my part of the
0:14:57.360,0:15:02.440
country right here in Kentucky it's
0:14:59.040,0:15:05.240
pretty rolling and of course most of the
0:15:02.440,0:15:07.040
places I hunt I've hunted for years so I
0:15:05.240,0:15:09.360
know the lay of the land I don't have to
0:15:07.040,0:15:11.079
range nothing because I know where you
0:15:09.360,0:15:12.959
know how far everything like how far
0:15:11.079,0:15:14.360
that Hillside is how far that block of
0:15:12.959,0:15:16.560
Timber is away and all that type of
0:15:14.360,0:15:19.160
stuff so when I do look through thermal
0:15:16.560,0:15:21.639
stuff here when the thermal season's in
0:15:19.160,0:15:23.920
it I know the distance because I know
0:15:21.639,0:15:26.120
how far it is to that block of timber
0:15:23.920,0:15:27.720
because I've seen that block of Timber
0:15:26.120,0:15:29.040
10 million times you know what I mean
0:15:27.720,0:15:30.560
but I can understand understand like
0:15:29.040,0:15:32.360
especially you get out in that flatter
0:15:30.560,0:15:34.040
type country when there's not a lot of
0:15:32.360,0:15:36.480
stuff out there that bust it up like
0:15:34.040,0:15:38.199
some of that Oklahoma country and Kansas
0:15:36.480,0:15:40.240
and you know that more what you would
0:15:38.199,0:15:41.839
call a traditional midwest state I could
0:15:40.240,0:15:43.959
see man where you could get really
0:15:41.839,0:15:45.959
really fooled uh you know I've done it
0:15:43.959,0:15:47.319
in a daytime like out in Wyoming and
0:15:45.959,0:15:50.319
stuff when we first started hunting the
0:15:47.319,0:15:52.880
West at Sagebrush country I'd get fooled
0:15:50.319,0:15:54.279
in the daytime on how far animals were
0:15:52.880,0:15:56.600
and do the same type of stuff you're
0:15:54.279,0:16:00.079
talking about I chewed at a coyote that
0:15:56.600,0:16:02.519
I thought was 250 yards off my brother's
0:16:00.079,0:16:04.680
looking at me like what are you doing
0:16:02.519,0:16:07.399
that thing's 500 and something yards
0:16:04.680,0:16:10.000
away why are you shooting what's call
0:16:07.399,0:16:11.959
you know so I can definitely see how
0:16:10.000,0:16:14.120
that happens for
0:16:11.959,0:16:15.720
sure one thing people don't know about
0:16:14.120,0:16:18.160
Oklahoma you don't think about this you
0:16:15.720,0:16:20.279
know it says right here you Oklahoma
0:16:18.160,0:16:22.839
offers the nation's most diverse TR
0:16:20.279,0:16:25.160
terrain right it's one of only four
0:16:22.839,0:16:27.199
states with 10 Eco regions so a lot of
0:16:25.160,0:16:29.680
the land I call is a lot different I
0:16:27.199,0:16:31.399
mean you can go from literally like one
0:16:29.680,0:16:33.600
side of the river to the other I mean
0:16:31.399,0:16:35.680
the ground changes you're in Red Dirt
0:16:33.600,0:16:37.240
Clay on one side of the river you go
0:16:35.680,0:16:39.959
across the river and you're en rolling
0:16:37.240,0:16:41.959
Sand Hills with Plum thickets right a
0:16:39.959,0:16:44.360
lot of the land I find it too I've grew
0:16:41.959,0:16:46.560
up on out there and I know a lot of it
0:16:44.360,0:16:49.079
but a lot of the other acreage that I've
0:16:46.560,0:16:51.240
picked up I've had access to for a long
0:16:49.079,0:16:53.920
time but it wasn't that productive to
0:16:51.240,0:16:55.480
call during the day it was just so open
0:16:53.920,0:16:57.160
right but once it opened up the night
0:16:55.480,0:16:59.519
hunting and I went back out there and
0:16:57.160,0:17:02.360
those those places are a lot more
0:16:59.519,0:17:04.480
productive I see so I didn't realize
0:17:02.360,0:17:06.520
that night season wasn't always in in
0:17:04.480,0:17:08.959
Oklahoma I've actually hunted Oklahoma
0:17:06.520,0:17:11.600
before in the past it's been a while uh
0:17:08.959,0:17:13.880
but we day hunted of course but I just
0:17:11.600,0:17:15.480
assumed where it was Sam was right there
0:17:13.880,0:17:17.280
close to Texas I don't know I guess I
0:17:15.480,0:17:18.679
always thought that the night season was
0:17:17.280,0:17:20.280
it's always been a thing there I didn't
0:17:18.679,0:17:21.439
realize that how long ago did you say
0:17:20.280,0:17:24.959
that night
0:17:21.439,0:17:27.039
season came about for Oklahoma a little
0:17:24.959,0:17:30.400
over a year I think in November of
0:17:27.039,0:17:30.400
2022 so
0:17:31.320,0:17:34.520
and see it's not for recreational
0:17:32.760,0:17:36.679
hunting you can't hunt any public ground
0:17:34.520,0:17:40.679
or anything like that this is for pretty
0:17:36.679,0:17:42.640
much for um control right right to
0:17:40.679,0:17:44.240
protecting livestock so it has to be on
0:17:42.640,0:17:46.760
private
0:17:44.240,0:17:49.080
ground right they had hog hunting it was
0:17:46.760,0:17:50.679
open longer but they just made it for
0:17:49.080,0:17:53.000
coyotes too
0:17:50.679,0:17:54.400
but well I got a I got a couple
0:17:53.000,0:17:57.960
questions here I'm going to ask you and
0:17:54.400,0:17:59.480
this this one here I'm fixing to ask you
0:17:57.960,0:18:01.320
might
0:17:59.480,0:18:03.200
might stump you a little bit we'll see
0:18:01.320,0:18:05.400
how see if it does or not I thought
0:18:03.200,0:18:06.919
about sending it to you earlier like hey
0:18:05.400,0:18:09.120
might send this to Jeremy so he can kind
0:18:06.919,0:18:11.240
of chew this over see what his answer be
0:18:09.120,0:18:14.080
but I said see if I can't catch him off
0:18:11.240,0:18:17.039
guard you know Jeremy yeah see just see
0:18:14.080,0:18:19.400
how you react to it you know I we just
0:18:17.039,0:18:22.360
be I've I've heard about you for a while
0:18:19.400,0:18:24.280
in the coyote scene and uh finally we
0:18:22.360,0:18:26.240
got you know sent you a friend request
0:18:24.280,0:18:27.559
become friends on Facebook and I've
0:18:26.240,0:18:29.600
always I've been following along with
0:18:27.559,0:18:32.880
you post for for about a year now I
0:18:29.600,0:18:34.919
guess but uh U I always look forward to
0:18:32.880,0:18:36.760
seeing your your hunting adventures and
0:18:34.919,0:18:39.520
always a pleasure to see your post you
0:18:36.760,0:18:41.520
know often times your post seem like
0:18:39.520,0:18:44.520
you're always telling a like telling a
0:18:41.520,0:18:46.799
story in the post which I like and the
0:18:44.520,0:18:50.480
story is always accompanied by a well
0:18:46.799,0:18:52.880
put together clean nice photo and it
0:18:50.480,0:18:55.840
just seems that it that you show a great
0:18:52.880,0:18:57.679
appreciation for the coyotes and the
0:18:55.840,0:18:59.480
sport of coyote Colin just that's just
0:18:57.679,0:19:01.640
kind of what that projects from your
0:18:59.480,0:19:03.760
style of posting with how you put your
0:19:01.640,0:19:07.760
pictures together and I guess my
0:19:03.760,0:19:10.320
question is it goes along with good the
0:19:07.760,0:19:14.559
the the question I have that goes along
0:19:10.320,0:19:19.280
with that is what does kyot calling and
0:19:14.559,0:19:19.280
kyot hunting mean to Jeremy
0:19:19.600,0:19:23.880
nickel
0:19:21.159,0:19:25.480
ah I guess my life wouldn't be complete
0:19:23.880,0:19:29.200
without the
0:19:25.480,0:19:31.000
coyot and um it's changed so much over
0:19:29.200,0:19:33.280
the years you know I've spent so much
0:19:31.000,0:19:35.679
time it's been it's been really almost
0:19:33.280,0:19:37.880
therapeutic for me it's how I unwind
0:19:35.679,0:19:40.600
right you know yeah I've evolved over
0:19:37.880,0:19:42.120
time you know I can I can look back to
0:19:40.600,0:19:43.440
when I was a kid you know and I was
0:19:42.120,0:19:44.280
doing all this stuff wrong and I
0:19:43.440,0:19:46.320
remember
0:19:44.280,0:19:48.640
seeing I don't know how to put it this
0:19:46.320,0:19:50.120
but sometimes they would scream coyotes
0:19:48.640,0:19:51.960
on the fence when you would drive down
0:19:50.120,0:19:54.200
the county road and I would see that and
0:19:51.960,0:19:56.200
I would see that and I was like I was
0:19:54.200,0:19:58.400
amazed at like how someone could do that
0:19:56.200,0:20:00.520
you like that don't see I'm you know I'm
0:19:58.400,0:20:01.799
out here and I'm chasing him with a 20
0:20:00.520,0:20:03.640
this is when I'm like a little kid I'm
0:20:01.799,0:20:05.720
chasing him with a 22 it's like I'm it's
0:20:03.640,0:20:07.640
rare to even see one and I can hear him
0:20:05.720,0:20:11.000
and everything
0:20:07.640,0:20:12.960
but I just I just chased him so much
0:20:11.000,0:20:15.159
like that and then I eventually I got to
0:20:12.960,0:20:16.640
I hate to admit that you know but I had
0:20:15.159,0:20:18.080
a point in my life where I started
0:20:16.640,0:20:20.039
hanging them on a fence too and I was
0:20:18.080,0:20:21.360
like I was like no man that's not the
0:20:20.039,0:20:23.600
right thing to be doing I quit doing
0:20:21.360,0:20:26.280
that a long time ago but
0:20:23.600,0:20:28.200
um I had learned that as a kid then I it
0:20:26.280,0:20:29.520
was like a ride of Passage or something
0:20:28.200,0:20:31.559
something I don't know how to explain it
0:20:29.520,0:20:33.440
but after that you know I've just looked
0:20:31.559,0:20:36.400
at it that
0:20:33.440,0:20:37.679
um I respect them so much more with
0:20:36.400,0:20:39.559
their intelligence you know because I
0:20:37.679,0:20:40.919
underestimate him like I said you know
0:20:39.559,0:20:42.640
when I was telling you when I went out
0:20:40.919,0:20:44.400
to call him from the first time hearing
0:20:42.640,0:20:47.240
him being called in with the squeaky
0:20:44.400,0:20:49.039
caror or something you know and then
0:20:47.240,0:20:50.559
they've earned my respect like that you
0:20:49.039,0:20:54.000
know and I
0:20:50.559,0:20:55.960
can one of one of my earliest memories I
0:20:54.000,0:20:57.799
have is out there at my grandpa's farm
0:20:55.960,0:20:59.280
you know when the holidays one my
0:20:57.799,0:21:00.520
cousins would come out there and as at
0:20:59.280,0:21:02.080
night we're out there playing in the
0:21:00.520,0:21:03.840
barn and stuff with little B kids and
0:21:02.080,0:21:06.840
these coyotes would light up close and I
0:21:03.840,0:21:08.480
remember they sounded Eerie almost scary
0:21:06.840,0:21:10.159
yep you know I remember my little sister
0:21:08.480,0:21:13.840
running back to the house you know I
0:21:10.159,0:21:15.640
mean there's just something about about
0:21:13.840,0:21:20.080
the K you know I
0:21:15.640,0:21:21.880
mean I don't refer to them as dogs no
0:21:20.080,0:21:24.880
like that you know they're they're the
0:21:21.880,0:21:26.720
North American coyote that's right you
0:21:24.880,0:21:28.720
know and people want to put him down and
0:21:26.720,0:21:30.600
persecute him and everything and I
0:21:28.720,0:21:32.960
they do destroy livestock you know and
0:21:30.600,0:21:34.840
being around my grandpa's farm growing
0:21:32.960,0:21:36.880
up and all that you know there was just
0:21:34.840,0:21:38.120
an inbred hate for him you know but over
0:21:36.880,0:21:41.480
time know
0:21:38.120,0:21:43.240
it's you know I don't know I guess as
0:21:41.480,0:21:44.760
far as going back I don't know if I'm
0:21:43.240,0:21:46.919
heard you on a one of your other
0:21:44.760,0:21:50.320
podcasts talked con someone a politician
0:21:46.919,0:21:52.600
dancing around the question no you're
0:21:50.320,0:21:54.039
I'm not trying to do that no no no no no
0:21:52.600,0:21:55.279
but you know for those photos you know
0:21:54.039,0:21:56.880
when I'm walking around you I'm
0:21:55.279,0:21:58.039
observing stuff you know I walk buy some
0:21:56.880,0:21:59.200
Old Farm Equipment or something
0:21:58.039,0:22:01.440
something like that you know I like I
0:21:59.200,0:22:03.440
make a mental not of that that's nice
0:22:01.440,0:22:05.400
that's got some nice rust color to that
0:22:03.440,0:22:07.039
you know I go back in the morning you
0:22:05.400,0:22:08.440
know and I get my camera out and I take
0:22:07.039,0:22:11.320
a few different pictures of it from
0:22:08.440,0:22:14.159
different angles to get it you know and
0:22:11.320,0:22:16.480
yep I try to capture that you know and I
0:22:14.159,0:22:18.919
mean I I run it through this pictures
0:22:16.480,0:22:21.640
through snapy to enhance the colors and
0:22:18.919,0:22:24.360
stuff that too you know I mean that's
0:22:21.640,0:22:25.880
but I don't know it's just a little
0:22:24.360,0:22:27.600
memory of mine for each one of those
0:22:25.880,0:22:29.080
hunts you know I mean any Kyo Hunter
0:22:27.600,0:22:31.760
knows when you go out there there's a
0:22:29.080,0:22:33.679
lot of stuff that happens that
0:22:31.760,0:22:35.559
off-the-wall stuff you know it's just I
0:22:33.679,0:22:37.039
don't know every one of my pictures that
0:22:35.559,0:22:39.760
I can look back on you know it's like I
0:22:37.039,0:22:41.799
remember certain things about them right
0:22:39.760,0:22:43.360
well you know and it's you know I when I
0:22:41.799,0:22:45.360
said it about the pictures too I mean
0:22:43.360,0:22:46.360
it's just like when you're say Facebook
0:22:45.360,0:22:48.120
you know social media if you're
0:22:46.360,0:22:50.640
scrolling through Facebook you know I'm
0:22:48.120,0:22:53.799
friends with tons of Predator Hunters KY
0:22:50.640,0:22:55.960
Hunters Fox Hunters whole nine yards and
0:22:53.799,0:22:58.200
I love seeing everybody's post you know
0:22:55.960,0:22:59.880
I you know I there's a I'm a fan of of a
0:22:58.200,0:23:02.600
lot of coy Hunters I just love seeing
0:22:59.880,0:23:04.159
everybody having success and and reading
0:23:02.600,0:23:06.200
their about their stands that they've
0:23:04.159,0:23:09.440
had or the night of hunting they had a
0:23:06.200,0:23:11.880
day the week or whatever but uh there's
0:23:09.440,0:23:15.159
nothing that'll stop me from scrolling
0:23:11.880,0:23:16.640
faster than seeing the like a type of
0:23:15.159,0:23:18.720
post that you put out you can see you
0:23:16.640,0:23:20.799
got a story there and there the pictures
0:23:18.720,0:23:23.120
are eyeg grabbing you know it's just
0:23:20.799,0:23:25.120
like I said you you posture the coyotes
0:23:23.120,0:23:27.159
up nice and neat and there's always some
0:23:25.120,0:23:29.120
kind of cool background whether it be an
0:23:27.159,0:23:31.880
old building a piece of farm equipment
0:23:29.120,0:23:34.279
old truck or whatever and uh it just all
0:23:31.880,0:23:36.279
flows together and it's just so more
0:23:34.279,0:23:38.720
appealing not that there's anything
0:23:36.279,0:23:40.960
wrong with how anybody else does it but
0:23:38.720,0:23:43.279
it's more ey grabbing that type of stuff
0:23:40.960,0:23:46.320
is and then just like a three or four
0:23:43.279,0:23:48.880
coat it's all wed up and you know
0:23:46.320,0:23:50.840
mangled up that's what I'm doing yeah
0:23:48.880,0:23:53.159
I'm I'm trying to hide them tongues and
0:23:50.840,0:23:55.360
bullet
0:23:53.159,0:23:57.600
holes and that's what I say it when I
0:23:55.360,0:23:59.200
see it it's like man he's got a he's got
0:23:57.600,0:24:02.400
a little a little bit more appreciation
0:23:59.200,0:24:05.120
to that you know it just stands out I
0:24:02.400,0:24:06.559
think it's cool you know and I think we
0:24:05.120,0:24:09.279
had a little something in common there
0:24:06.559,0:24:11.200
CU I I was raised up in a farming family
0:24:09.279,0:24:13.960
my dad's a beef cattle farmer still is
0:24:11.200,0:24:16.159
to this day and he has a hatred for
0:24:13.960,0:24:18.760
coyotes and that's kind of how I got
0:24:16.159,0:24:21.200
started into coyot hunting is because of
0:24:18.760,0:24:23.200
depredation years ago I didn't really
0:24:21.200,0:24:26.399
realize what kind of trouble that they
0:24:23.200,0:24:28.120
were causing or could be causing but Dad
0:24:26.399,0:24:30.799
was like you know how you won't you try
0:24:28.120,0:24:33.880
hunting these things or whatever and at
0:24:30.799,0:24:36.000
the time just cuz it was passed down
0:24:33.880,0:24:38.440
from him and uncles and stuff like that
0:24:36.000,0:24:40.000
I kind of hated the things too you know
0:24:38.440,0:24:42.200
like you might be out doing something
0:24:40.000,0:24:44.240
and come back like Dad I saw a dag on
0:24:42.200,0:24:46.600
Coy after in a pasture field you know
0:24:44.240,0:24:49.240
and but anyway after I've got to hunt
0:24:46.600,0:24:52.720
them and then realized how like you said
0:24:49.240,0:24:55.159
how how weary and how smart intelligent
0:24:52.720,0:24:56.960
of a creature they are and then chasing
0:24:55.159,0:24:58.520
them for all these years and trying to
0:24:56.960,0:25:00.559
you know having
0:24:58.520,0:25:03.200
some great success and then having all
0:25:00.559,0:25:05.399
those days that you get humbled as well
0:25:03.200,0:25:07.760
just because of how they can outsmart
0:25:05.399,0:25:09.960
you man I got a great appreciation for
0:25:07.760,0:25:13.120
them they're a cool animal I mean I
0:25:09.960,0:25:15.640
appreciate everything about them
0:25:13.120,0:25:17.360
so my question didn't stump you like I
0:25:15.640,0:25:20.080
thought it was going to you did
0:25:17.360,0:25:22.799
awesome well I am too I mean I still
0:25:20.080,0:25:24.840
deal with it my my my daughter's there
0:25:22.799,0:25:27.360
she's in college now but growing up you
0:25:24.840,0:25:29.240
know we lost she had to keep her cats in
0:25:27.360,0:25:30.679
the side they're right I go to the
0:25:29.240,0:25:32.480
bathroom I can hear him howling out my
0:25:30.679,0:25:36.279
window it's like you don't realize who's
0:25:32.480,0:25:38.159
in here you're right right yeah I'm I've
0:25:36.279,0:25:39.960
got like a little pet wah you know when
0:25:38.159,0:25:42.559
I let him out to go use the bathroom at
0:25:39.960,0:25:44.880
night you know I make noise so that you
0:25:42.559,0:25:46.520
don't wander off you know get eaten by a
0:25:44.880,0:25:48.320
coyote out there they're right at they
0:25:46.520,0:25:50.760
their tracks are in my driveway I
0:25:48.320,0:25:52.039
they're just right they're there yeah
0:25:50.760,0:25:55.159
and you know when I was saying like you
0:25:52.039,0:25:57.320
know like Dad hates them I still you got
0:25:55.159,0:25:58.440
to respect them you know you got to
0:25:57.320,0:26:01.640
respect
0:25:58.440,0:26:04.279
uh the animal that they are and you also
0:26:01.640,0:26:05.840
got to respect how damaging they can be
0:26:04.279,0:26:08.960
because I mean there's millions of
0:26:05.840,0:26:12.440
dollars of loss every year in the Ault
0:26:08.960,0:26:14.559
word world to a c so they are extremely
0:26:12.440,0:26:16.279
extremely destructive and they can be
0:26:14.559,0:26:18.039
destructive to other species that are
0:26:16.279,0:26:19.559
around them as well and even to
0:26:18.039,0:26:21.080
themselves when they get overpopulated
0:26:19.559,0:26:23.440
you know they get to mange and all
0:26:21.080,0:26:24.720
different kind of diseases so you know
0:26:23.440,0:26:26.760
it's always one thing you got to knock
0:26:24.720,0:26:28.279
them back a notch or three but they I do
0:26:26.760,0:26:32.240
have a lot of respect for in more ways
0:26:28.279,0:26:34.320
than one yeah 2018 we had a bad outbreak
0:26:32.240,0:26:36.679
of that sarcoptic mange here in my area
0:26:34.320,0:26:37.799
and it was like every every other one I
0:26:36.679,0:26:40.360
was there was some sometimes that gotten
0:26:37.799,0:26:43.080
kill four or five and all of them would
0:26:40.360,0:26:45.039
have that mange yeah and 2009 the
0:26:43.080,0:26:48.039
population and went down yeah but I
0:26:45.039,0:26:49.480
haven't I've getting a few of them
0:26:48.039,0:26:52.240
around here that have maned now but
0:26:49.480,0:26:55.480
nothing like it was in 2018 right you
0:26:52.240,0:26:58.480
know what I remember probably 15 years
0:26:55.480,0:27:00.760
ago we had a couple po Pock ETS around
0:26:58.480,0:27:02.760
here at home that had it bad and then
0:27:00.760,0:27:04.960
all a sudden it just disappeared and I
0:27:02.760,0:27:06.960
haven't seen it for a long time until
0:27:04.960,0:27:08.840
this year I've killed a few coyot around
0:27:06.960,0:27:10.919
here that's it's been pretty rough
0:27:08.840,0:27:12.399
actually actually killed one a couple
0:27:10.919,0:27:14.600
weeks ago that I don't think it would
0:27:12.399,0:27:17.679
have survived the week we had some
0:27:14.600,0:27:19.640
single digit temps and below below zero
0:27:17.679,0:27:21.919
temps had six or seven inches of snow on
0:27:19.640,0:27:24.480
the ground and you get in situations
0:27:21.919,0:27:25.880
like had those those coow that's in real
0:27:24.480,0:27:27.720
rough shape from the mange I mean
0:27:25.880,0:27:30.840
they're almost like committing suicide
0:27:27.720,0:27:33.480
to the to a rabbit you know and uh we
0:27:30.840,0:27:35.240
you'll one it was pretty rough I've said
0:27:33.480,0:27:36.520
that I've said that about a lot of them
0:27:35.240,0:27:38.399
too like hey this one would never
0:27:36.520,0:27:41.120
survive the winter but then I kill some
0:27:38.399,0:27:43.600
in May that are completely bald that
0:27:41.120,0:27:46.960
didn't survive the win right right well
0:27:43.600,0:27:48.159
they got a survive that's for sure well
0:27:46.960,0:27:50.480
you know there's two different kinds of
0:27:48.159,0:27:52.440
mange too there's that sarcoptic M and
0:27:50.480,0:27:54.760
there's that Dem demotic mange I think
0:27:52.440,0:27:56.440
is the one the the sarcoptic mange is
0:27:54.760,0:27:58.919
the one that that's really bad an
0:27:56.440,0:28:01.360
outbreak yeah contagious with the m you
0:27:58.919,0:28:03.840
know the the demotic Mage I forget how
0:28:01.360,0:28:06.399
you pronounce it that's just um a
0:28:03.840,0:28:08.760
deficiency in their immune system yeah
0:28:06.399,0:28:11.240
yeah yeah people are scared to touch
0:28:08.760,0:28:13.039
them you know that means it those mites
0:28:11.240,0:28:14.200
die on a person's skin you can pick
0:28:13.039,0:28:15.519
those things up and you might get a
0:28:14.200,0:28:17.840
little bit of a rash and it ain't going
0:28:15.519,0:28:19.679
to hurt you yeah we I know I had one
0:28:17.840,0:28:22.679
pocket here at home it was actually on
0:28:19.679,0:28:26.799
one property there for like few years
0:28:22.679,0:28:28.679
straight every Co that you called in uh
0:28:26.799,0:28:31.120
they'd have it I mean they they they'd
0:28:28.679,0:28:32.760
either be plum nasty eat up with it or
0:28:31.120,0:28:34.200
like maybe just their back end was eat
0:28:32.760,0:28:36.080
up with it or what but it had to be
0:28:34.200,0:28:37.360
something that was in a dite or
0:28:36.080,0:28:39.279
something you know like it was in the
0:28:37.360,0:28:41.440
ground or something it was like years in
0:28:39.279,0:28:44.200
a row that every coow there would have
0:28:41.440,0:28:46.960
it it's Nature's way of dealing with
0:28:44.200,0:28:48.880
overpopulation yep but nature also has a
0:28:46.960,0:28:50.960
way to bounce them coyotes back too with
0:28:48.880,0:28:52.399
their litter size that's right yeah just
0:28:50.960,0:28:55.760
like saying they're cool they're a cool
0:28:52.399,0:28:57.559
animal there's a man there's well
0:28:55.760,0:28:58.960
they're they survived they're the they
0:28:57.559,0:29:00.640
flourished where the Wolves couldn't
0:28:58.960,0:29:02.679
survive you know we almost eradicated
0:29:00.640,0:29:04.159
the Wolves when we when we settled the
0:29:02.679,0:29:06.399
country you know but we could you can't
0:29:04.159,0:29:09.000
St you can't persecute and stem out the
0:29:06.399,0:29:11.399
coyotes I know the more persecution they
0:29:09.000,0:29:14.000
are the more their populations grow
0:29:11.399,0:29:17.159
right right yep and that's good that's a
0:29:14.000,0:29:19.039
good thing for us for coyot callers yeah
0:29:17.159,0:29:22.039
yeah it is it is I
0:29:19.039,0:29:23.760
know what me let me ask you this you
0:29:22.039,0:29:25.240
talking about uh you know we're talking
0:29:23.760,0:29:26.600
about the kyot calling and stuff like
0:29:25.240,0:29:28.480
that and I know you call through the
0:29:26.600,0:29:30.640
falling winter I have noticed you call
0:29:28.480,0:29:33.200
some in the summer do you consider
0:29:30.640,0:29:36.679
yourself a a year round coyot caller do
0:29:33.200,0:29:39.320
you call 12 months out of the Year yes I
0:29:36.679,0:29:41.320
do oh well no I I don't during deer
0:29:39.320,0:29:44.640
season I usually take that off you
0:29:41.320,0:29:47.840
usually October and November I hun deer
0:29:44.640,0:29:50.960
and I take that off okay yeah I not to
0:29:47.840,0:29:53.000
say not always sometimes I the itch gets
0:29:50.960,0:29:55.960
bad and I
0:29:53.000,0:29:58.000
hunt or Rancher or Rancher hollers at
0:29:55.960,0:30:00.559
you says hey man we got a water I or
0:29:58.000,0:30:02.360
somebody need to get well that was
0:30:00.559,0:30:03.960
another thing about our firearm Seasons
0:30:02.360,0:30:06.279
you it's legal to hun them but you can't
0:30:03.960,0:30:07.799
during any um open firearm season for
0:30:06.279,0:30:10.840
deer and they think you're gonna be out
0:30:07.799,0:30:13.519
poaching or something I see so so yeah
0:30:10.840,0:30:15.760
you can't but I I'll go out and day hunt
0:30:13.519,0:30:19.720
them yeah okay
0:30:15.760,0:30:21.120
okay yeah I I hunt him year round what's
0:30:19.720,0:30:22.080
your what's your favorite time of the
0:30:21.120,0:30:24.440
year to
0:30:22.080,0:30:25.799
Callum do you have a favorite favorite
0:30:24.440,0:30:29.120
time time
0:30:25.799,0:30:30.880
frame I I'm thinking December right
0:30:29.120,0:30:33.880
after deer season stops is when it's the
0:30:30.880,0:30:36.200
most productive right right I kind of
0:30:33.880,0:30:37.720
like that spring calling too I mean I
0:30:36.200,0:30:40.000
know the numbers are down and they've
0:30:37.720,0:30:40.840
been pressured and but when they're when
0:30:40.000,0:30:42.840
they're
0:30:40.840,0:30:44.279
dinning you know if you know how to read
0:30:42.840,0:30:45.320
the train and stuff you can get in there
0:30:44.279,0:30:46.519
pretty close to them you know and
0:30:45.320,0:30:49.679
they're pretty predictable on where
0:30:46.519,0:30:52.679
they're going to be at y yep
0:30:49.679,0:30:54.799
yep so like uh so like when you was
0:30:52.679,0:30:56.279
talking about spring so you're talking
0:30:54.799,0:30:58.679
about when to actually put pups in the
0:30:56.279,0:30:59.919
ground and on into like the summer
0:30:58.679,0:31:04.519
months
0:30:59.919,0:31:06.440
in yeah does your uh what about uh what
0:31:04.519,0:31:08.279
about like your calling style is it how
0:31:06.440,0:31:10.760
do your calling style evolve through the
0:31:08.279,0:31:12.399
year or does it you you a type it just
0:31:10.760,0:31:15.039
runs a set of
0:31:12.399,0:31:17.080
sounds year round it's the same type of
0:31:15.039,0:31:19.600
stuff or do you change your your calling
0:31:17.080,0:31:20.639
Style say the winter calling versus
0:31:19.600,0:31:23.320
spring and
0:31:20.639,0:31:25.240
summer I very some like I mean right now
0:31:23.320,0:31:27.240
I'm using a lot more vocals and stuff
0:31:25.240,0:31:28.880
but a lot of times I just go out and I
0:31:27.240,0:31:30.399
find a sequence they're hitting on if
0:31:28.880,0:31:32.000
they're hitting on that sequence I
0:31:30.399,0:31:34.600
follow that through I'll pick up and
0:31:32.000,0:31:35.880
move another place and play that full
0:31:34.600,0:31:38.080
sequence you know just keep going with
0:31:35.880,0:31:40.360
it all night long
0:31:38.080,0:31:41.399
but yeah oh yeah you find something
0:31:40.360,0:31:44.639
that's working you might as well keep
0:31:41.399,0:31:47.320
running till it stops right
0:31:44.639,0:31:49.360
yeah let me let's go back to the night
0:31:47.320,0:31:51.440
the night hunting I think this is
0:31:49.360,0:31:55.000
interesting when I talk to guys at night
0:31:51.440,0:31:56.679
hunt um when you are night hunting do
0:31:55.000,0:31:58.480
how long do you stay out do you go all
0:31:56.679,0:32:00.000
all night long or do you have like a set
0:31:58.480,0:32:01.200
time frame that you kind of stick to
0:32:00.000,0:32:03.120
like hey I'm going right out when the
0:32:01.200,0:32:05.519
sun sets and I'm going to hunt till 11:
0:32:03.120,0:32:07.000
then I'm done or are you typ gu when
0:32:05.519,0:32:09.679
you're out there you you're pouring it
0:32:07.000,0:32:11.600
to them all night long I'm usually
0:32:09.679,0:32:14.840
pouring it to them all night long I
0:32:11.600,0:32:16.600
usually I mean I I watch the weather and
0:32:14.840,0:32:18.960
I check different weather apps and I
0:32:16.600,0:32:20.360
study satellite imagery and then I start
0:32:18.960,0:32:22.240
picking out where I'm going to go and I
0:32:20.360,0:32:23.600
start notifying land owners and I like
0:32:22.240,0:32:25.480
to try to get out there a little bit
0:32:23.600,0:32:27.760
before dark and drop some pins of where
0:32:25.480,0:32:29.279
I'm going to set up and
0:32:27.760,0:32:32.080
sometimes I'll make a stand right before
0:32:29.279,0:32:33.639
dark that golden hour before Sunset and
0:32:32.080,0:32:37.000
then I'll hunt all night long I'll hunt
0:32:33.639,0:32:40.480
until it gets light I'll got some
0:32:37.000,0:32:43.080
instant coffee andat Campbell soup right
0:32:40.480,0:32:46.240
out of the can and I don't stop I just
0:32:43.080,0:32:48.960
go I don't take no breaks dude you're
0:32:46.240,0:32:50.840
you're tougher than I am but yeah I mean
0:32:48.960,0:32:52.080
sometime sometimes I'll go out you know
0:32:50.840,0:32:53.360
and it's like I have to work the next
0:32:52.080,0:32:55.039
day or something and I go out and
0:32:53.360,0:32:56.440
they're hitting they're they're coming
0:32:55.039,0:32:57.799
in on every stand it's like man I'm
0:32:56.440,0:33:01.320
going to ride this out man this is one
0:32:57.799,0:33:03.279
of those nights so so so you've got off
0:33:01.320,0:33:05.440
work you've got off work and what out
0:33:03.279,0:33:08.360
here started Coy calling you worked all
0:33:05.440,0:33:09.880
day Coy call all day all night and night
0:33:08.360,0:33:12.360
and just change clothes go right into
0:33:09.880,0:33:15.960
work huh I hope no I hope no one from my
0:33:12.360,0:33:15.960
work here calling
0:33:16.279,0:33:21.600
sick that's all right yeah they all take
0:33:19.600,0:33:24.760
a vacation in
0:33:21.600,0:33:27.679
it that's I say you ain't the only
0:33:24.760,0:33:29.159
person that's done that
0:33:27.679,0:33:30.440
yeah I know once you get out there I
0:33:29.159,0:33:31.639
mean certain nights when they go out
0:33:30.440,0:33:33.399
there and they're just hitting on every
0:33:31.639,0:33:34.760
stand you're calling them in it's like
0:33:33.399,0:33:36.720
man this is one of those nights I'm just
0:33:34.760,0:33:38.360
going to keep riding this out sometimes
0:33:36.720,0:33:39.760
you'll lose track of time too and you
0:33:38.360,0:33:42.559
just look up and you know dang it's
0:33:39.760,0:33:44.399
starting to get light I realize right as
0:33:42.559,0:33:46.720
time goes by fast when you're having a
0:33:44.399,0:33:49.159
good time well that that's a good that's
0:33:46.720,0:33:52.320
another thing to segue into this
0:33:49.159,0:33:54.720
actually just recorded a podcast with uh
0:33:52.320,0:33:57.639
Al Morris and Ed wooden with Tory cook
0:33:54.720,0:34:02.039
and we mentioned stuff about moon phase
0:33:57.639,0:34:05.799
and uh just got their thoughts on on
0:34:02.039,0:34:08.520
what effect they think it can have on
0:34:05.799,0:34:10.280
coyotes and stuff have you noticed you
0:34:08.520,0:34:12.520
know you hear about the full full moon a
0:34:10.280,0:34:14.560
lot have you noticed any type of moon
0:34:12.520,0:34:17.560
phase that's less productive for you
0:34:14.560,0:34:19.599
Jeremy compared to others or do you have
0:34:17.560,0:34:21.359
like a moon phase you like shy away from
0:34:19.599,0:34:25.200
like hey if it's it's a full moon or
0:34:21.359,0:34:26.919
whatever I don't go type thing yeah I've
0:34:25.200,0:34:28.560
never been able to nail it down specific
0:34:26.919,0:34:30.320
speically but it seems like they respond
0:34:28.560,0:34:31.800
less during a full Moon I mean but I've
0:34:30.320,0:34:35.040
had some really good nights on a full
0:34:31.800,0:34:37.040
moon but if it's a new moon and it's not
0:34:35.040,0:34:38.679
then it's it's not blowing and and the
0:34:37.040,0:34:40.240
wind's not out of especially if the
0:34:38.679,0:34:41.960
wind's not out of the east or something
0:34:40.240,0:34:45.599
it's a new moon I'm usually taking off
0:34:41.960,0:34:47.320
and hunting oh really yeah so like so if
0:34:45.599,0:34:49.200
you see a new moon coming up and
0:34:47.320,0:34:51.240
weather's good you're taking you might
0:34:49.200,0:34:53.079
be taking some time off work you because
0:34:51.240,0:34:55.879
you think really stack them up so it's
0:34:53.079,0:35:00.280
like your favorite favorite time to hunt
0:34:55.879,0:35:01.480
them yeah another interesting thing go
0:35:00.280,0:35:04.240
go ahead there Jeremy what was you going
0:35:01.480,0:35:05.599
to say I've had some good Hunts on Full
0:35:04.240,0:35:07.119
Moon nights you know it's just like
0:35:05.599,0:35:09.119
calling during the day it's easier to
0:35:07.119,0:35:11.800
navigate and stuff at night you can you
0:35:09.119,0:35:13.680
can travel faster because you're not
0:35:11.800,0:35:15.520
right making s when you're walking and
0:35:13.680,0:35:18.200
stuff you can you can actually see
0:35:15.520,0:35:21.880
almost like daylight right right well
0:35:18.200,0:35:25.599
you know they both had some you know
0:35:21.880,0:35:28.599
Tori and Al had they give their input on
0:35:25.599,0:35:31.760
that and they say well kind of similar
0:35:28.599,0:35:34.480
to you they they have had really good
0:35:31.760,0:35:36.839
hunts during that time frame and and
0:35:34.480,0:35:38.920
have been hurt during that time frame
0:35:36.839,0:35:41.480
but they can't really put their finger
0:35:38.920,0:35:42.800
on saying that it actually is anything
0:35:41.480,0:35:46.079
to it you know they just don't have
0:35:42.800,0:35:48.119
enough uh sta you know information there
0:35:46.079,0:35:50.560
to really say hey yeah when it's a full
0:35:48.119,0:35:52.359
moon during this time of year blah blah
0:35:50.560,0:35:54.000
blah you ain't going to call in no CS
0:35:52.359,0:35:56.640
you know it's just they can't get any
0:35:54.000,0:35:58.359
consistent data to really support it I
0:35:56.640,0:35:59.720
guess yes cuz just like what you said
0:35:58.359,0:36:01.920
you've had some really good hunts during
0:35:59.720,0:36:04.760
that time frame too you know during full
0:36:01.920,0:36:07.119
moon so it's uh it'd be pretty
0:36:04.760,0:36:11.319
interesting about our whole podcast with
0:36:07.119,0:36:14.040
Tori uh was uh was a bathat pretty much
0:36:11.319,0:36:15.680
and some other different um you know
0:36:14.040,0:36:18.520
weather stuff and everything like that
0:36:15.680,0:36:20.520
so you wan to I've listened to a lot of
0:36:18.520,0:36:21.760
his stuff man that guy's a Wilson I
0:36:20.520,0:36:23.800
don't know I wonder if I wonder if he
0:36:21.760,0:36:28.160
sleeps in the denm with these coyotes
0:36:23.800,0:36:30.400
pretty much yeah I know he knows it I
0:36:28.160,0:36:32.400
mean and that's the reason I wanted to
0:36:30.400,0:36:35.240
do that podcast with him because you
0:36:32.400,0:36:37.280
know he's with these Couts daily you
0:36:35.240,0:36:40.040
know like almost like part of their
0:36:37.280,0:36:41.839
their family group type thing so I was
0:36:40.040,0:36:43.599
you know I could ask him like do you see
0:36:41.839,0:36:47.359
any difference how the coyotes act on a
0:36:43.599,0:36:48.880
full Moon versus this and and you know
0:36:47.359,0:36:50.720
are his coyotes though they're not even
0:36:48.880,0:36:52.160
in the pin though are they I thought
0:36:50.720,0:36:53.920
those are free range or something how
0:36:52.160,0:36:55.960
does he keep them around there without
0:36:53.920,0:36:58.760
them going out and running off with the
0:36:55.960,0:37:01.000
other ones I think they do do wander off
0:36:58.760,0:37:03.040
at times and I think he's even lost coow
0:37:01.000,0:37:05.200
before you know some of his Couts in the
0:37:03.040,0:37:06.920
past have run off and never come back or
0:37:05.200,0:37:09.599
he thinks that maybe one or two's been
0:37:06.920,0:37:11.520
killed by Coy hunters and stuff like
0:37:09.599,0:37:13.720
that for the most part though they stick
0:37:11.520,0:37:16.079
uh they stick right there I think almost
0:37:13.720,0:37:18.480
any given time they can look out back
0:37:16.079,0:37:20.520
back window and and see a cout back
0:37:18.480,0:37:23.280
there so yeah he can go right after her
0:37:20.520,0:37:24.960
to him and and how with how at him with
0:37:23.280,0:37:27.319
his mouth and they'll come jump up in
0:37:24.960,0:37:29.720
his lap and everything thing so it's
0:37:27.319,0:37:31.079
pretty wild yeah that's amazing yeah
0:37:29.720,0:37:33.480
that
0:37:31.079,0:37:36.000
is you uh you mentioned something about
0:37:33.480,0:37:37.599
the East Wind Me and Al actually talked
0:37:36.000,0:37:40.440
about that that was another question I
0:37:37.599,0:37:45.000
asked Al because I've seen him talk
0:37:40.440,0:37:46.480
about be on hunts and uh things rolling
0:37:45.000,0:37:48.319
good I think they was actually on a hunt
0:37:46.480,0:37:50.280
here just a week or two ago down to New
0:37:48.319,0:37:52.119
Mexico Arizona I can't remember where
0:37:50.280,0:37:55.319
they was at but I think they killed like
0:37:52.119,0:37:56.760
14 coyotes in a day and a half and then
0:37:55.319,0:37:58.280
all a sudden the wind you know they was
0:37:56.760,0:37:59.640
rolling in good this was all daytime
0:37:58.280,0:38:01.040
hunting then all a sudden the wind
0:37:59.640,0:38:03.920
switch come out of the East and it just
0:38:01.040,0:38:06.079
shut everything down so yeah you
0:38:03.920,0:38:08.480
experience that as well in
0:38:06.079,0:38:10.720
Oklahoma sometimes yeah well that that's
0:38:08.480,0:38:12.560
always been even with deer everything
0:38:10.720,0:38:14.040
else you know that wind out of the East
0:38:12.560,0:38:15.800
animals move the
0:38:14.040,0:38:18.200
Easter
0:38:15.800,0:38:19.560
right I say that was one of the thing
0:38:18.200,0:38:22.839
was talking about said you
0:38:19.560,0:38:26.240
know it's not a predominant wind here
0:38:22.839,0:38:28.359
either but when we do have that East
0:38:26.240,0:38:30.880
Wind I've got a a particular set of
0:38:28.359,0:38:33.240
stands that I never get to hunt unless I
0:38:30.880,0:38:34.839
have east in it so that's just what I
0:38:33.240,0:38:37.240
was got to say there's some there's some
0:38:34.839,0:38:38.599
places that require an East Wind go in
0:38:37.240,0:38:40.000
and and when I use when I hit those
0:38:38.599,0:38:42.119
spots are highly productive because they
0:38:40.000,0:38:43.680
don't get called much so I'm always like
0:38:42.119,0:38:46.119
ah man I can't wait for East win so I
0:38:43.680,0:38:48.160
can go hunt this macines property or
0:38:46.119,0:38:50.359
whatever you know and and usually go in
0:38:48.160,0:38:52.160
there and burn them up but i' I've never
0:38:50.359,0:38:54.000
but I've seen that a lot I've just seen
0:38:52.160,0:38:57.160
so many and there's got to be something
0:38:54.000,0:39:00.119
to it because I've seen too many people
0:38:57.160,0:39:01.720
and too many you know really high power
0:39:00.119,0:39:03.839
Coy Hunters talk about East Wind
0:39:01.720,0:39:05.960
shutting things down so that's pretty
0:39:03.839,0:39:07.920
interesting I've noticed it more at
0:39:05.960,0:39:09.599
night yeah but but when I day hunted
0:39:07.920,0:39:11.319
more maybe it's because I wasn't making
0:39:09.599,0:39:12.960
as many stands you because you you hunt
0:39:11.319,0:39:15.160
in the morning and take to the afternoon
0:39:12.960,0:39:16.640
off and then go out late afternoon but
0:39:15.160,0:39:19.400
it seems like when you're just back to
0:39:16.640,0:39:20.920
back at night right right you're just
0:39:19.400,0:39:23.160
getting you're just you're seeing so
0:39:20.920,0:39:25.680
much more you're seeing so much more
0:39:23.160,0:39:27.760
their behavior you're able to observe M
0:39:25.680,0:39:30.200
field way they interact with each other
0:39:27.760,0:39:32.560
it's just it's so much different you I
0:39:30.200,0:39:35.680
mean seems like you can see more in a
0:39:32.560,0:39:38.560
night of Kyo hunting than you could in a
0:39:35.680,0:39:40.680
month day hunting whole definitely
0:39:38.560,0:39:43.040
definitely I will say one thing you know
0:39:40.680,0:39:47.240
I do hunt quite a bit just north of you
0:39:43.040,0:39:48.680
there in in in Kansas and it seem like
0:39:47.240,0:39:49.920
we get a lot of East twins when we're
0:39:48.680,0:39:51.640
hunting that stuff there but you know
0:39:49.920,0:39:53.319
just daytime hunting but we usually do
0:39:51.640,0:39:55.280
pretty good up there in the daytime even
0:39:53.319,0:39:57.079
when you have the East twins so I'm not
0:39:55.280,0:39:58.920
saying there's nothing to it there there
0:39:57.079,0:40:00.880
but it's just it's just an interesting
0:39:58.920,0:40:03.200
thing to see what people's opinions are
0:40:00.880,0:40:05.400
on the on like that East wind direction
0:40:03.200,0:40:07.920
and how it affects their their calling
0:40:05.400,0:40:09.800
so there's got to be something to it I
0:40:07.920,0:40:12.480
guess I don't
0:40:09.800,0:40:14.720
know just you just can't never say never
0:40:12.480,0:40:18.480
though you just never know it's never
0:40:14.720,0:40:21.880
set in stone right so I mean like if you
0:40:18.480,0:40:24.400
say a full moon is coming up but you got
0:40:21.880,0:40:27.200
to itch to go KY calling you got a full
0:40:24.400,0:40:30.599
moon and your winds out of the East you
0:40:27.200,0:40:34.000
uh you staying at the house you going KY
0:40:30.599,0:40:37.200
col depends on how high that wind is say
0:40:34.000,0:40:38.839
5 m hour I'm still gonna go out you know
0:40:37.200,0:40:40.760
what's weird too is I'd almost prefer a
0:40:38.839,0:40:42.599
little bit more of a wind higher than
0:40:40.760,0:40:46.640
five mile an hour that five mile an hour
0:40:42.599,0:40:48.839
wind is just it swirls yeah yeah I agree
0:40:46.640,0:40:50.920
I'll get out there and I I'll stalk in
0:40:48.839,0:40:52.480
20 or 30 minutes to get into a spot and
0:40:50.920,0:40:54.599
set up and the wind is changing it's
0:40:52.480,0:40:55.839
like I can't even call this you pack up
0:40:54.599,0:40:57.760
and you move to another place and the
0:40:55.839,0:40:59.839
window Swit switch again yep waste a lot
0:40:57.760,0:41:01.240
of time and before you know yeah it's
0:40:59.839,0:41:02.760
just like man I I don't know what I'm
0:41:01.240,0:41:05.680
doing I've been out here for almost two
0:41:02.760,0:41:07.280
hours and I Haven even called right well
0:41:05.680,0:41:09.400
you just you just brought up another
0:41:07.280,0:41:10.599
question for me how far are you walking
0:41:09.400,0:41:12.280
in on your stands when you're doing
0:41:10.599,0:41:13.839
these night HS you know a lot of people
0:41:12.280,0:41:15.720
get kind of lazy they don't get too far
0:41:13.839,0:41:17.480
from the truck you see you walking in 30
0:41:15.720,0:41:21.000
minutes sometimes from a from for a
0:41:17.480,0:41:22.839
stand location yeah yeah sometimes
0:41:21.000,0:41:25.160
sometimes just it just depends on the
0:41:22.839,0:41:26.880
terrain I mean yeah and also it depends
0:41:25.160,0:41:28.079
on how often I've hunted place too I
0:41:26.880,0:41:29.520
mean if it's like one of the first times
0:41:28.079,0:41:32.359
to go in there you know I'm not going to
0:41:29.520,0:41:35.480
go in there too deep into that that
0:41:32.359,0:41:36.640
section it's I don't know how it is in
0:41:35.480,0:41:38.560
Kentucky I don't know how they have
0:41:36.640,0:41:40.359
everything laid out here but I think
0:41:38.560,0:41:42.240
it's the same in Kansas you know they
0:41:40.359,0:41:46.040
have
0:41:42.240,0:41:48.680
that 640 acre
0:41:46.040,0:41:50.560
section is is there's a County Road
0:41:48.680,0:41:52.280
about every mile yeah it's it's not like
0:41:50.560,0:41:54.040
that here but I know exactly what you're
0:41:52.280,0:41:55.760
talking about cuz I do a lot of hunting
0:41:54.040,0:41:57.359
in Kansas so I know I know those
0:41:55.760,0:41:58.720
sections
0:41:57.359,0:42:00.359
yeah and you look for that and you look
0:41:58.720,0:42:01.920
at the center you this CS kind of
0:42:00.359,0:42:03.839
gravitate towards the center of that
0:42:01.920,0:42:05.599
section and it's especially if the cover
0:42:03.839,0:42:08.839
is over in the the center of that
0:42:05.599,0:42:10.640
section so yeah I'm I'm not I'm not
0:42:08.839,0:42:13.760
afraid to walk in there I do I do do a
0:42:10.640,0:42:15.800
lot of walking right well you you won't
0:42:13.760,0:42:17.720
hear many people say that there's a you
0:42:15.800,0:42:20.920
know hey I get pretty lazy sometimes too
0:42:17.720,0:42:20.920
so I can't say nothing about
0:42:21.240,0:42:27.559
that yeah well let's uh let's switch
0:42:24.559,0:42:29.800
over to the Bobcats I mentioned up your
0:42:27.559,0:42:32.520
your hunt there that we was talking
0:42:29.800,0:42:35.359
about where you um stacked up four what
0:42:32.520,0:42:37.359
was it four bobcats in one day daytime
0:42:35.359,0:42:39.160
calling tell us about that hun CU I
0:42:37.359,0:42:42.359
think it started out you I think you had
0:42:39.160,0:42:44.280
a uh a phone call from a from a Rancher
0:42:42.359,0:42:45.880
or a friend or something that would had
0:42:44.280,0:42:47.640
been seeing a cat that maybe had got
0:42:45.880,0:42:50.599
into their chickens or something like
0:42:47.640,0:42:52.119
that yeah and I got that I got a cat
0:42:50.599,0:42:54.160
right there behind his place and I took
0:42:52.119,0:42:55.720
it up there to him and he thinks well he
0:42:54.160,0:42:56.680
thinks that other one was bigger than
0:42:55.720,0:42:59.319
that one
0:42:56.680,0:43:01.040
yeah but um it was day Collins then I
0:42:59.319,0:43:02.400
just went down and hit some other places
0:43:01.040,0:43:04.160
along the river you know and I've always
0:43:02.400,0:43:06.359
heard people talking about with cats
0:43:04.160,0:43:08.880
that they call in a lot of them with um
0:43:06.359,0:43:10.480
the bird and the um rabbits you know but
0:43:08.880,0:43:13.720
I have a lot of luck with them calling
0:43:10.480,0:43:15.760
them with pup distress really yeah I
0:43:13.720,0:43:17.880
have a lot of them come into that that
0:43:15.760,0:43:21.160
Pound Town yeah they like that and that
0:43:17.880,0:43:23.920
pup screams really I've had a lot come
0:43:21.160,0:43:28.079
into that like the first KY ever killed
0:43:23.920,0:43:31.400
with the um Fox Pro was one of that
0:43:28.079,0:43:33.599
um Spitfire yeah and that that that had
0:43:31.400,0:43:35.400
that on there that pup screams on there
0:43:33.599,0:43:38.480
and the first C I ever killed with that
0:43:35.400,0:43:41.040
was to that pup screams really what had
0:43:38.480,0:43:43.280
you been had you been rabbit calling or
0:43:41.040,0:43:45.640
or anything before that or was you just
0:43:43.280,0:43:47.800
running vocals and one came in or how
0:43:45.640,0:43:50.760
did that play
0:43:47.800,0:43:52.480
out I remember I I was down by the river
0:43:50.760,0:43:54.720
and I was calling a bunch you know I'd
0:43:52.480,0:43:56.680
been calling a lot and the last thing I
0:43:54.720,0:43:58.559
played was pup scream
0:43:56.680,0:44:01.319
yep i' had been playing pup screams and
0:43:58.559,0:44:02.839
that cat came in it was real thick stuff
0:44:01.319,0:44:04.520
and he slipped in right in front of me
0:44:02.839,0:44:06.400
and I I didn't even see him there I was
0:44:04.520,0:44:08.520
getting ready to call the stand and get
0:44:06.400,0:44:10.359
up and I was about to put the rifle on
0:44:08.520,0:44:13.240
safety and I looked up and that cat was
0:44:10.359,0:44:16.599
like almost like a bird dog on point
0:44:13.240,0:44:19.640
pointing yeah looking at that um call
0:44:16.599,0:44:21.319
yep and then I just shot that thing but
0:44:19.640,0:44:24.280
um on those other ones it was back to
0:44:21.319,0:44:27.880
back I think it was um I want to say pup
0:44:24.280,0:44:30.880
distress three yep yep I called one in
0:44:27.880,0:44:32.240
that came in from behind me and then I
0:44:30.880,0:44:33.800
followed that through I think it was
0:44:32.240,0:44:37.119
pound and then I had another one come in
0:44:33.800,0:44:38.680
from the front really but I've been
0:44:37.119,0:44:42.040
hunting him for a long time and I've
0:44:38.680,0:44:44.960
never had a hunt I've never had a bobcat
0:44:42.040,0:44:47.960
hunt that productive so all all four of
0:44:44.960,0:44:51.119
those cats you called them in on a on a
0:44:47.960,0:44:52.760
pup distress or no no now I think one of
0:44:51.119,0:44:54.640
the other ones was I I was doing some
0:44:52.760,0:44:57.359
other sounds in there but I know those
0:44:54.640,0:44:59.839
two that I killed the double stand pup
0:44:57.359,0:45:03.400
distress Y and I think um the other one
0:44:59.839,0:45:06.440
was with um kitten distress they like
0:45:03.400,0:45:08.559
that too yep well Tory was talking about
0:45:06.440,0:45:10.400
Tory there early and I've earlier and
0:45:08.559,0:45:13.280
I've actually tried this a little bit
0:45:10.400,0:45:14.760
here lately just haven't Leed with it or
0:45:13.280,0:45:16.559
nothing like that it's almost like at
0:45:14.760,0:45:20.000
the end of a stand just kind of testing
0:45:16.559,0:45:21.880
it but he actually uh recorded some baby
0:45:20.000,0:45:24.040
bobcats this year so he's got a couple
0:45:21.880,0:45:26.480
bobcat sounds and one of them is like a
0:45:24.040,0:45:28.640
bobcat kitten distress
0:45:26.480,0:45:30.440
and it sounds really good it sounds
0:45:28.640,0:45:31.960
really good so I've played that a little
0:45:30.440,0:45:32.880
bit I haven't had anything come to it
0:45:31.960,0:45:34.599
yet but like I said I haven't really
0:45:32.880,0:45:37.599
given it a fair chance yeah I need to
0:45:34.599,0:45:39.200
just go in somewhere or and lead with it
0:45:37.599,0:45:40.480
or play it in the middle of a stand I've
0:45:39.200,0:45:42.319
always kind of like played it towards
0:45:40.480,0:45:44.839
the end when I think nothing's coming
0:45:42.319,0:45:46.359
anyway type thing so it's pretty
0:45:44.839,0:45:48.240
interesting I bet you call a cat in on
0:45:46.359,0:45:50.079
that for sure I know he's tested it a
0:45:48.240,0:45:53.119
little bit down home he's killed some
0:45:50.079,0:45:54.920
coyes to it I'm cheating here I got
0:45:53.119,0:45:57.280
remember remote but you got a baby
0:45:54.920,0:45:59.319
bobcat C kitten but the one that I like
0:45:57.280,0:46:01.599
is that kitten distress there's a kitten
0:45:59.319,0:46:03.319
cries crying kittens and the distressed
0:46:01.599,0:46:04.880
kittens but the one that that I found
0:46:03.319,0:46:07.400
really productive is that kitten
0:46:04.880,0:46:09.200
distress okay okay that's pretty
0:46:07.400,0:46:11.359
interesting you're talking about the the
0:46:09.200,0:46:12.960
KY them coming to the KY vocals I've
0:46:11.359,0:46:14.720
actually had them come in while playing
0:46:12.960,0:46:16.800
like a pup distress or a fight towards
0:46:14.720,0:46:18.240
the end but I'd been playing a lot of
0:46:16.800,0:46:20.400
rabbit I always kind of said well they
0:46:18.240,0:46:21.760
was coming to the rabbit and I didn't
0:46:20.400,0:46:24.000
give him enough time to get there and
0:46:21.760,0:46:27.359
I'd already moved on to trying to drag a
0:46:24.000,0:46:28.079
coyote in you know but uh I'd say I mean
0:46:27.359,0:46:30.960
I
0:46:28.079,0:46:32.960
mean they usually have the bluff on a ky
0:46:30.960,0:46:35.160
so they're not the least bit scar scared
0:46:32.960,0:46:36.880
of no they're not no they're not at all
0:46:35.160,0:46:38.440
you I used to think that too don't don't
0:46:36.880,0:46:40.200
do coyote vocals and all if you're gonna
0:46:38.440,0:46:41.640
go out and Target cats you know lay off
0:46:40.200,0:46:43.119
the coyote vocals and stuff it don't
0:46:41.640,0:46:45.280
affect him at all sometimes I think it
0:46:43.119,0:46:49.040
even brings him in those those whimpers
0:46:45.280,0:46:50.000
and stuff right right well you know her
0:46:49.040,0:46:51.720
been that's
0:46:50.000,0:46:53.400
what go ahead that's what I've been
0:46:51.720,0:46:56.839
finding a lot of luck here here recently
0:46:53.400,0:46:58.559
too is wimers really yeah yeah yeah
0:46:56.839,0:47:01.800
that's been my sequence for the last few
0:46:58.559,0:47:03.400
weeks is that submissive whimpers well
0:47:01.800,0:47:05.200
tell us your sequence here what you've
0:47:03.400,0:47:07.559
been running lately and having success
0:47:05.200,0:47:09.319
with how what what have you been kind of
0:47:07.559,0:47:11.800
if if you don't mind telling us tell
0:47:09.319,0:47:14.680
tell us a secret here maybe help a
0:47:11.800,0:47:17.559
listener out and they go tag a extra C
0:47:14.680,0:47:23.079
or two here next
0:47:17.559,0:47:25.960
week oh um I've been cheating here I got
0:47:23.079,0:47:28.680
my remote open a nothing wrong with that
0:47:25.960,0:47:31.480
this way keep stay on track that way I'm
0:47:28.680,0:47:34.119
looking here you know and I U the one
0:47:31.480,0:47:35.000
I've really been liking here is um it's
0:47:34.119,0:47:37.920
called
0:47:35.000,0:47:41.559
female let it scroll over female
0:47:37.920,0:47:43.000
invitation to and coyote sorow what I've
0:47:41.559,0:47:46.200
been doing I've been going out there and
0:47:43.000,0:47:48.000
I've been letting that play I've been
0:47:46.200,0:47:50.480
I'll put pauses in it you know I'll let
0:47:48.000,0:47:52.960
it play a few series of it and I'll put
0:47:50.480,0:47:55.280
pauses in it and I let a few more series
0:47:52.960,0:47:56.359
go and I'll put pauses in them and then
0:47:55.280,0:48:01.079
um
0:47:56.359,0:48:03.920
C this this mfk submissive wines yep yep
0:48:01.079,0:48:05.400
that's one of my favorite sound I like I
0:48:03.920,0:48:07.800
like that I mean because you can break
0:48:05.400,0:48:08.920
that sound up you can hit Paws in there
0:48:07.800,0:48:12.920
you can put that and you can make it
0:48:08.920,0:48:15.240
sound really really subtle yep and a lot
0:48:12.920,0:48:17.720
of times too if I hear them coyotes how
0:48:15.240,0:48:19.680
and you can look at the terrain like
0:48:17.720,0:48:21.480
satellite imagery and you can see this
0:48:19.680,0:48:23.640
small group of there's a little Pond
0:48:21.480,0:48:25.280
there's a little small group of cover or
0:48:23.640,0:48:27.480
something you hear them coyotes over
0:48:25.280,0:48:28.839
there get your blood pump and you get up
0:48:27.480,0:48:30.800
there close to them and you know they're
0:48:28.839,0:48:33.680
close yep you know I'll start out with
0:48:30.800,0:48:35.480
that oh yeah really slow and I they'll
0:48:33.680,0:48:37.640
come right into that
0:48:35.480,0:48:38.839
sometimes but usually that that's
0:48:37.640,0:48:40.880
usually what I
0:48:38.839,0:48:42.240
do I don't know how to explain I've
0:48:40.880,0:48:44.440
never heard anyone say it like this but
0:48:42.240,0:48:46.400
I try to put my sound out there in
0:48:44.440,0:48:48.559
layers y you know I'm trying to throw
0:48:46.400,0:48:49.920
that sound out there further you know
0:48:48.559,0:48:50.920
it's almost like when you're fishing you
0:48:49.920,0:48:52.319
know every time you throw a different
0:48:50.920,0:48:53.880
sound it's like a cast but sometimes
0:48:52.319,0:48:55.640
I'll throw that sound out there trying
0:48:53.880,0:48:59.280
to reach out there a further distance
0:48:55.640,0:49:01.839
you know and Y but I'm always I'm always
0:48:59.280,0:49:04.400
usually have some kind of sound playing
0:49:01.839,0:49:06.079
even if it's Coes or at a low volume in
0:49:04.400,0:49:07.559
case I've got something coming in that I
0:49:06.079,0:49:10.079
don't see that's committed you know I
0:49:07.559,0:49:12.040
want to keep its attention but I don't
0:49:10.079,0:49:14.559
want that sound out there being thrown
0:49:12.040,0:49:16.040
way out there at that coyote that's
0:49:14.559,0:49:18.319
sitting in there that's not triggered
0:49:16.040,0:49:19.760
yet right no yeah it makes that's my
0:49:18.319,0:49:21.839
that's just my that's just my thought
0:49:19.760,0:49:23.400
process you know you know a lot of
0:49:21.839,0:49:25.960
people say a lot of people sit there and
0:49:23.400,0:49:27.280
they say well you know they don't all
0:49:25.960,0:49:28.839
that you know you know you hear people
0:49:27.280,0:49:29.960
thought well I try to tell the story oh
0:49:28.839,0:49:32.280
you don't need to do that it's like
0:49:29.960,0:49:33.720
pulling the wheel on a slot machine you
0:49:32.280,0:49:35.359
know you just throw a different sound
0:49:33.720,0:49:37.480
different sound well you can do that too
0:49:35.359,0:49:40.240
by telling a story that's that's right
0:49:37.480,0:49:41.280
don't it doesn't hurt you know do that
0:49:40.240,0:49:43.040
sometimes in my head you know I'm
0:49:41.280,0:49:45.920
picturing this scenario going on in
0:49:43.040,0:49:48.640
front of me you know that like right now
0:49:45.920,0:49:50.079
you have picture a female coyote and
0:49:48.640,0:49:53.119
heat for the first time you know and
0:49:50.079,0:49:56.920
another KY running up there trying to
0:49:53.119,0:49:59.720
breed it right right playing grab when
0:49:56.920,0:50:02.200
to cuss grab grab but or whatever well
0:49:59.720,0:50:03.960
you know it progresses on after that
0:50:02.200,0:50:05.480
right you know you made a great point
0:50:03.960,0:50:06.960
there about you know some people you
0:50:05.480,0:50:08.559
know you like try some people try to
0:50:06.960,0:50:10.000
tell a story and some people says don't
0:50:08.559,0:50:12.319
do you don't have to do that and you
0:50:10.000,0:50:16.400
know it's it's not that deep of a
0:50:12.319,0:50:19.880
situation but you know there's many many
0:50:16.400,0:50:22.359
right ways to call in aout there's also
0:50:19.880,0:50:24.359
many wrong ways to do it as well mess up
0:50:22.359,0:50:26.359
but there's a lot you know if there's a
0:50:24.359,0:50:29.000
certain style of calling that works for
0:50:26.359,0:50:30.520
you use it I mean if you're having good
0:50:29.000,0:50:32.280
luck with it do it whether it's telling
0:50:30.520,0:50:34.359
a story whether it's just randomly
0:50:32.280,0:50:36.880
hitting sounds or whatever like I said
0:50:34.359,0:50:38.240
there's many right ways to call in a c
0:50:36.880,0:50:40.040
and I always find that interesting when
0:50:38.240,0:50:42.000
you see those arguments take place and
0:50:40.040,0:50:43.920
you're like well both y'all's killing
0:50:42.000,0:50:46.119
cows both of you is calling them in so
0:50:43.920,0:50:48.960
neither one of you is wrong both of you
0:50:46.119,0:50:51.400
is right there's no sense arguing over
0:50:48.960,0:50:52.760
it no I won't argue with nothing on that
0:50:51.400,0:50:56.359
I want to stay green and remain
0:50:52.760,0:50:59.440
teachable that's exactly right well put
0:50:56.359,0:51:01.520
you they'll never yeah always learning I
0:50:59.440,0:51:04.720
know I'm still G to make mistakes
0:51:01.520,0:51:07.200
so well I got a we're we're starting to
0:51:04.720,0:51:09.839
wind down here running out of time I got
0:51:07.200,0:51:12.520
just a handful of just quick hit
0:51:09.839,0:51:15.160
questions for you here just to see uh
0:51:12.520,0:51:17.359
See Your no right or wrong answers here
0:51:15.160,0:51:19.839
just personal preference but if you call
0:51:17.359,0:51:22.520
in a bobcat and a Cy at the same time
0:51:19.839,0:51:24.559
which one you shooting
0:51:22.520,0:51:26.160
first nowadays I'm going to go ahead and
0:51:24.559,0:51:27.559
shoot that coyot
0:51:26.160,0:51:30.240
so years ago it might have been the
0:51:27.559,0:51:32.400
Bobcat huh yeah years ago it would have
0:51:30.240,0:51:34.720
been a bobcat
0:51:32.400,0:51:36.160
but what about this you say you steal
0:51:34.720,0:51:39.359
deer hunt a little bit say if you're
0:51:36.160,0:51:41.680
deer hunting and a Coy comes out you
0:51:39.359,0:51:44.200
shooting a Coy or does it get a
0:51:41.680,0:51:46.119
pass oh I'm gonna shoot that c you know
0:51:44.200,0:51:48.200
I'll tell you one story about this there
0:51:46.119,0:51:49.880
was people say we mess up your HT there
0:51:48.200,0:51:52.359
was one morning I was up there rifle
0:51:49.880,0:51:54.839
hunting and I shot a Kyo early in the
0:51:52.359,0:51:56.640
morning and I hunted till it was time to
0:51:54.839,0:51:59.760
get down and I was hunting a big Sand
0:51:56.640,0:52:01.359
Ridge on a on a enclosed stand and I
0:51:59.760,0:52:02.520
shot that coyote if I wouldn't have shot
0:52:01.359,0:52:05.000
that coyote I wouldn't have got this
0:52:02.520,0:52:06.839
deer because as soon as I got done to
0:52:05.000,0:52:08.720
hunt I would have went straight down
0:52:06.839,0:52:10.640
that Hill down the trail back to the
0:52:08.720,0:52:12.359
truck but instead I had to Crest that
0:52:10.640,0:52:14.079
hill to go get that coyot and when I was
0:52:12.359,0:52:16.000
cresting that hill to get that here
0:52:14.079,0:52:17.760
comes a hot DG running out and a buck
0:52:16.000,0:52:20.960
was following with it yeah and I got
0:52:17.760,0:52:23.240
that deer because I shot that coye good
0:52:20.960,0:52:25.440
stuff good stuff well me ask you it
0:52:23.240,0:52:28.400
don't mess it up it don't mess it up man
0:52:25.440,0:52:31.319
right right right let's say uh let's say
0:52:28.400,0:52:34.240
you're walking into a coyote stand you
0:52:31.319,0:52:36.799
spot a coyote out in the open he's in
0:52:34.240,0:52:38.760
range where you can just pick him off
0:52:36.799,0:52:40.280
are you shooting him or you going to try
0:52:38.760,0:52:41.160
to get set up and see if you can't call
0:52:40.280,0:52:43.839
him
0:52:41.160,0:52:47.240
in if he's look range I'm just gonna
0:52:43.839,0:52:50.040
shoot yeah most the farmers I'm just
0:52:47.240,0:52:52.200
trying to get rid of him for right it's
0:52:50.040,0:52:54.839
the main the main objective is to get
0:52:52.200,0:52:57.040
that Coy kill for him yeah I got a bipod
0:52:54.839,0:52:58.799
on my guy G specifically for that and
0:52:57.040,0:53:00.599
people say why do you have a tri bipod
0:52:58.799,0:53:04.000
when you put it on a tripod well that's
0:53:00.599,0:53:06.599
why there's the answer to that and a
0:53:04.000,0:53:08.599
there all right what's you what's your
0:53:06.599,0:53:10.520
what's your favorite
0:53:08.599,0:53:14.040
caliber
0:53:10.520,0:53:16.400
22250 my man I agree with you I'm a 22
0:53:14.040,0:53:17.839
250 guy myself so I usually go through
0:53:16.400,0:53:19.280
this whole spill with a lot of them so
0:53:17.839,0:53:21.079
you know if you dropped off on a
0:53:19.280,0:53:23.400
deserted island or whatever and you had
0:53:21.079,0:53:25.960
one bullet we know we already know 22
0:53:23.400,0:53:27.799
250 so it's good stuff watch what fox
0:53:25.960,0:53:31.280
Pro unit you running right
0:53:27.799,0:53:34.720
now the x24 what you think about
0:53:31.280,0:53:36.359
it oh man that thing is it's the best
0:53:34.720,0:53:38.440
call I've ran you know before that you
0:53:36.359,0:53:41.880
know I was really set on the fusion I
0:53:38.440,0:53:44.000
mean I that was that was a solid call
0:53:41.880,0:53:45.559
but I mean the thing that that's really
0:53:44.000,0:53:47.319
made the biggest difference on that is
0:53:45.559,0:53:48.839
that stand on there you know I can set
0:53:47.319,0:53:51.240
it on there before I was carrying her I
0:53:48.839,0:53:52.640
was I was carrying around a little stool
0:53:51.240,0:53:54.480
I was car I was carrying around a little
0:53:52.640,0:53:55.839
stool and I was setting that Fusion up
0:53:54.480,0:53:58.079
on
0:53:55.839,0:53:59.760
yeah yeah and also had I had 550
0:53:58.079,0:54:01.119
paracord tied to the handle and it
0:53:59.760,0:54:04.079
wasn't to carry it it was so I could
0:54:01.119,0:54:07.079
hang it on fences and stuff
0:54:04.079,0:54:08.559
just but that that x24 I mean you can
0:54:07.079,0:54:09.920
that you can hang that on fences you can
0:54:08.559,0:54:12.880
hang in the brush and I mean it's just
0:54:09.920,0:54:14.760
the right height yep that stand is
0:54:12.880,0:54:17.040
versatile I don't think many people take
0:54:14.760,0:54:18.480
advantage of it like like they should I
0:54:17.040,0:54:19.760
mean there's a lot of people that does
0:54:18.480,0:54:22.240
but you hear a lot of people you know
0:54:19.760,0:54:23.480
like you see them put them on tripods is
0:54:22.240,0:54:25.559
stuff I'm like why you got it on that
0:54:23.480,0:54:27.720
tripod put it you know use that stand to
0:54:25.559,0:54:29.240
do something the thing is it'll be on a
0:54:27.720,0:54:32.200
tripod but it won't be any taller than
0:54:29.240,0:54:35.079
what the stand is so you know I'm like
0:54:32.200,0:54:37.720
what are what's going on here but I hey
0:54:35.079,0:54:39.200
the x24 is small and compact too yeah
0:54:37.720,0:54:40.920
you that's that's why went with the
0:54:39.200,0:54:42.119
shock wave because it's a carrying issue
0:54:40.920,0:54:44.760
and stuff you know I wanted to keep
0:54:42.119,0:54:46.799
something small and then the fusion it's
0:54:44.760,0:54:49.240
like the same takeoff of what the
0:54:46.799,0:54:52.440
Firestorm yep yep same
0:54:49.240,0:54:54.880
housing than the remote you know like a
0:54:52.440,0:54:57.240
tank yep yeah they're tough units yeah
0:54:54.880,0:54:59.079
that's for sure well Jeremy you got
0:54:57.240,0:55:02.720
anything that you'd like to leave us
0:54:59.079,0:55:02.720
with before we before we hop off
0:55:02.880,0:55:09.720
here uh really get out there and put
0:55:07.040,0:55:11.720
some tread wear on your boots make it
0:55:09.720,0:55:13.400
happen I mean I don't know if you're new
0:55:11.720,0:55:15.040
getting into the coyo hunting these days
0:55:13.400,0:55:16.960
man you got the information Super
0:55:15.040,0:55:19.559
Highway out here now you know I wish I
0:55:16.960,0:55:22.079
had the information that's available now
0:55:19.559,0:55:25.400
to Kyo Hunters right picking it up you
0:55:22.079,0:55:27.079
know but there's nothing that's gonna
0:55:25.400,0:55:29.400
learn you more than making mistakes and
0:55:27.079,0:55:30.880
experience and getting boot boot wear on
0:55:29.400,0:55:32.119
your Treads you can have all the
0:55:30.880,0:55:35.400
knowledge in the world but if you don't
0:55:32.119,0:55:37.520
apply it and make mistakes that's y The
0:55:35.400,0:55:39.680
Experience come from that's that's good
0:55:37.520,0:55:41.160
stuff yeah we uh it sound like me and
0:55:39.680,0:55:42.880
you started out pretty similar I didn't
0:55:41.160,0:55:44.920
have anybody teach me how to do it it
0:55:42.880,0:55:47.720
was just from all from experience
0:55:44.920,0:55:50.880
getting out turn trying it made a ton of
0:55:47.720,0:55:53.119
mistakes still make ton of mistakes but
0:55:50.880,0:55:55.559
hey that's what this podcast is is is
0:55:53.119,0:55:58.880
about the videos we put out and thing is
0:55:55.559,0:56:00.359
to help shorten those learning curves
0:55:58.880,0:56:02.839
for all you newcomers out there and
0:56:00.359,0:56:05.760
hopefully this stuff is uh entertaining
0:56:02.839,0:56:07.119
for for everyone else as well but Jeremy
0:56:05.760,0:56:09.520
we appreciate you coming on here buddy I
0:56:07.119,0:56:11.160
know you've been busy I know uh you know
0:56:09.520,0:56:13.599
I I appreciate you taking a time out of
0:56:11.160,0:56:16.599
your day and and hopping on here for a
0:56:13.599,0:56:19.200
few minutes yeah yeah yeah it was an
0:56:16.599,0:56:21.000
honor well good deal we hope everyone
0:56:19.200,0:56:23.039
has enjoyed this episode we hope you
0:56:21.000,0:56:26.039
join us again right here on the fox Pro
0:56:23.039,0:56:26.039
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