The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 42 : Coyote Hunting with Jeremy Nickel

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins talks everything coyote hunting with the "Oklahoma Coyote Reaper, Jeremy Nickel".

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls we're back

 

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welcome back to the fox Pro podcast I'm

 

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pretty excited about this episode we are

 

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joined by the Oklahoma Coy Grim Reaper

 

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himself Mr Jeremy nickel how's it going

 

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Jeremy pretty well pretty well how you

 

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doing all doing pretty good it's the

 

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best way I can describe you Jeremy ever

 

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since I started following you on

 

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Facebook and stuff man you got to be the

 

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ky's worst nightmare out there in in

 

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that Oklahoma

 

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country I

 

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try you don't give them no slack that's

 

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uh that's for sure pretty impressive

 

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stuff uh jerem if you don't care tell us

 

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uh a little bit more about yourself so

 

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people out there that's listening know

 

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know who Jeremy niichel

 

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is all right well um I guess I'll get

 

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this other way first my professional

 

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career what I do for um my professional

 

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career is I do GIS you know and I tell

 

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people that a lot of people don't know

 

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what is GIS so I guess the best way I

 

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would explain that is um Onyx Maps yep

 

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you know the people behind the scenes

 

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gather and symbolize and develop the

 

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apps the the people that put all that

 

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together um their GIS professionals so

 

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um that's basically what I do but I do

 

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it for local government um mostly civil

 

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engineering stuff but I also do it for

 

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like fire department police department I

 

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live in a small town or actually I live

 

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in the country but I work in a small

 

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population about

 

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50,000 but that's what I do

 

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for for a living but um as far as coyot

 

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hunting goes I guess

 

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um I guess I was born and raised here in

 

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Northwest

 

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Oklahoma yeah you know I've been guess

 

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I've been hunting for as long as I can

 

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remember yeah do do you do big game

 

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hunting and stuff like that too Jeremy

 

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or you just strictly kind of just

 

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Predator type stuff

 

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or actually that's what I first got into

 

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was deer hunting yeah you know when I

 

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was a little bitty kid my dad would take

 

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me deer hunting with him and like my

 

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earliest memories were him carrying me I

 

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remember we hunt a lot around the

 

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simmeron river and I remember him

 

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carrying me across the river you know

 

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and then put Lifting me up and putting

 

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me in trees this is before I was big

 

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enough to even carry a firearm right but

 

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then you know as as time progressed on

 

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you know he started putting a few

 

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firearms in my hand and um I guess you

 

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know I started out hunting just about

 

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everything I remember you know I was

 

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hunting

 

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Ducks rabbits you name it you know 410

 

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and a little um single shot 3030 before

 

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I was big enough to even shoulder I

 

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remember putting that firearm the

 

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buttstock in my armpit you know people

 

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get scope kissed you know yeah I got I

 

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got it I got it under the eye from the

 

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hammer you know oh the hammer oh I bet

 

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that was rough right

 

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there but you know it just kind of per

 

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progress on on from that you know kyotes

 

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were always there you know kyotes have

 

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always been around when hunting but no

 

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one no one in my family really really

 

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hunted him you know it's like I don't

 

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know I guess how to explain it my

 

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Grandpa you know on his farm raised my

 

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dad you know and for for them to hunt it

 

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was like you know they go out and they

 

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catch a mess of catfish or they shoot a

 

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mess of ducks and they go back and they

 

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clean it and they eat it and that's

 

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that's what the hunting was for yeah I

 

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mentioned it to my grandpa one time I

 

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like why do you want to fool with

 

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coyotes you can't eat those

 

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things well if you get hungry enough I

 

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guess you could but I ain't never got

 

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that hungry no I've heard about some

 

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people eating them too yeah I've heard

 

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Bobcats I've heard Bobcats really good

 

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too but I've never never M I've ate a

 

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few Bobcats I will say they're they're

 

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pretty good they kind of cook up like

 

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pork or they could be pretty tasty the

 

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especially like the younger female cats

 

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they're pretty good only ones I've ever

 

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had I was like man it's pretty rough is

 

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uh like your older like big Tom Cats man

 

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they uh they're pretty rough they kind

 

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of they kind of taste like how cat piss

 

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smells I guess would be the best way to

 

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describe it but there is I'm pretty it's

 

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pretty good eating really you know it

 

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Cooks up kind of white it uh it it

 

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reminds me of pork quite a bit but yeah

 

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I ain't trying no

 

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Coy yeah that's what I've heard it's

 

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it's white meat yeah I've heard about

 

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that yeah well guys here on the fox Pro

 

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podcast we you know we pull guests um

 

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that are some of the best Predator

 

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hunters in the world and in my opinion

 

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Jeremy you know Jeremy's one of those

 

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guys so I'm going to be asking Jeremy a

 

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few questions to get his Insight on KY

 

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Colin might even ask him a few questions

 

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about bobcats as well because I noticed

 

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he uh he has a knack for the cats you

 

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know what was it here just not too long

 

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ago you went out on an Excursion and

 

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kill what four cats in in a daytime in

 

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one day is that right

 

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Jer that's yeah I've never had a hunt

 

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like that before and I've been hunting

 

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them for a long time you know as a kid

 

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that was my that was my dream was to get

 

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get a bobcat I finally got one I think

 

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like in

 

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1987 yeah was like first one I got still

 

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got that still got that thing mounted

 

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yep guarantee guarantee you remember

 

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that encounter too don't you oh

 

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yeah well Jeremy what got what actually

 

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got you into the coy hunting and how

 

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long have you been doing it you

 

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mentioned your first cat there how how

 

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long have you been KY hunting and uh you

 

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know you was talking about you know

 

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going deer hunting with your dad ever

 

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since you can remember and stuff like

 

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that but what made you decide to

 

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actually go out and say Hey I want to

 

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try to call coyotes and see what this is

 

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all

 

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about it's hard to really say because

 

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you know I was growing up you know I was

 

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out there running around with the 20 to

 

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stuff and I was just hunting him and I

 

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mean that's what I wanted to hunt but

 

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right it's probably when I was 11 or 12

 

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I think when the first time I got a hand

 

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call Y you know and I remember you know

 

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back then I remember there was like a

 

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wies tale I heard someone talking about

 

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you could call in in coyotes with a

 

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squeaky door on a car squeaky brakes you

 

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know I heard that that first time I got

 

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that hand call you know I ran out there

 

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thinking that's what it was goingon to

 

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be these things are G to come running in

 

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yeah quickly learned that wasn't the

 

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case right

 

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right

 

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yeah there's a lot of people that thinks

 

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all it is is the push buttons are

 

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blowing on a hand call and they just

 

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come running from every direction

 

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there's a little bit more to it than

 

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that that's yeah that's even how it was

 

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that was even as you progressed on you

 

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always thought you know I'm doing

 

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something wrong with this hand called

 

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and like the first time I got um

 

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cassette tape with dying rabbit and I

 

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don't remember back in the 80s they had

 

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that ghetto blasters walk big silver

 

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radios yeah yeah that's a good way to

 

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put it that that was me with the um big

 

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silver radio and yeah dying rabbit you

 

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know I remember getting that dying

 

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rabbit tape you know thinking oh this is

 

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going to be it going out and finding out

 

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that wasn't it either I'm sure you did

 

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kill some to it though didn't you yeah I

 

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was killing him just not consistently

 

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you know like one of the first calls I

 

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ever got was I'm not gonna name the name

 

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of it was one of those real heavy ones

 

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you it's got a long cord attached to

 

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it

 

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and later on I progressed you know I got

 

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some of those other plastic e- callers

 

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and I would develop enough confidence in

 

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them you know I'd go and kill something

 

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with it you give me the confidence that

 

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I could do it but wasn't until I got

 

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into the more advanced calls later on

 

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that I really started consistently

 

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seeing the results right right well it

 

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uh you know I noticed you you do night

 

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hunting and and day hunting I'm assuming

 

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you started did you start out just day

 

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calling and then progressed into night

 

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calling yes in Oklahoma they just

 

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deregulated night hunting night hunting

 

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in November of

 

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um 2022 so I've just been night hunting

 

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a little little over the year oh right

 

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it was just I was a game changer man it

 

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once they did that my numbers just went

 

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up drastically right you know we we've

 

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got a ranch about 700 acres and um we've

 

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had it where you can register that with

 

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the game department for feral Hogs yep

 

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so I do a little bit of hog hunting at

 

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night you know but um never until they

 

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deregulated it where you can hunt on

 

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private land okay and then once they did

 

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that

 

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I invested in some higher end thermal

 

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and I don't know I thought there'd be a

 

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learning curve going from day hunting to

 

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night hunting but there was a little bit

 

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but right well kind of like Duck to

 

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water right well definitely seems that

 

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way you know and I've heard you know

 

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transitioning from day to night it seems

 

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like one of the things that you hear

 

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people have the most trouble out of is

 

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is shooting is you know you hear people

 

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say man you first get into it you'll

 

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miss a lot first starting out first

 

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starting out did you did you experience

 

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that or was you just take off running

 

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and didn't have any trouble with you

 

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know I hear people say they have trouble

 

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judging distance when they first

 

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transition

 

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over I did have some trouble judging

 

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distance you know but when I started

 

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night hunting and still to this day I

 

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got a different style I don't stand up I

 

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mean I hunt like I do during the day I

 

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sit on the stool okay on my shots I'm

 

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I'm resting my elbow on my knee y yep

 

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I mean the biggest thing one of the

 

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biggest transition I went to was from um

 

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bipod to tripod you know because you

 

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know you're using that the bipod I used

 

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the most was that Swagger QD yeah yeah

 

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you can adjust height so much on that if

 

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you're sitting on an elevated slope or

 

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something something coming behind you

 

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with that QD you know you can spread

 

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those legs apart and you're good to go

 

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but with the tripod it's a little bit

 

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different you know and keeping that that

 

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same

 

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shooting position with that muscle

 

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memory yep for yeah for sure yeah that

 

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is one that's a great point about those

 

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swagger qds like the QD 42s man just

 

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like you talking about changing

 

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elevation or you know either increasing

 

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or decreasing you a lot of times with

 

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any other kind of platform you got to be

 

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twisting legs and adjusting with those

 

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all you got to do is spread them out or

 

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bring them closer together and you're

 

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changing elevation so they're pretty you

 

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know they help you a lot out on those

 

0:10:28.640,0:10:32.200

fast situations for for day calling

 

0:10:31.079,0:10:34.040

that's for sure but that's really

 

0:10:32.200,0:10:35.519

interesting that's really interesting

 

0:10:34.040,0:10:38.440

you're talking about sitting on the

 

0:10:35.519,0:10:39.839

ground night hunting cuz seems like the

 

0:10:38.440,0:10:43.120

I don't know if I want to call it the

 

0:10:39.839,0:10:46.399

fad but what you see most people doing

 

0:10:43.120,0:10:50.120

nowadays for last several years is

 

0:10:46.399,0:10:53.360

people just standing with their tripods

 

0:10:50.120,0:10:55.760

elevated yeah I I'll Stand every once in

 

0:10:53.360,0:11:00.440

a while the if the vegetation is too

 

0:10:55.760,0:11:02.480

high right but um now I'm usually I

 

0:11:00.440,0:11:03.560

haven't changed much than what I do

 

0:11:02.480,0:11:05.160

during the day I mean there's some

 

0:11:03.560,0:11:06.320

different setups I set up different I

 

0:11:05.160,0:11:08.279

mean I've learned where they come out I

 

0:11:06.320,0:11:10.160

mean there's some different there's some

 

0:11:08.279,0:11:12.440

disadvantages you know I mean like when

 

0:11:10.160,0:11:14.720

you're day hunting you can set up with

 

0:11:12.440,0:11:16.240

your scent blowing out over an open open

 

0:11:14.720,0:11:17.959

field and you're pretty confident them

 

0:11:16.240,0:11:19.760

kyotes aren't going to go out there

 

0:11:17.959,0:11:21.959

right you know you can set up and have

 

0:11:19.760,0:11:23.639

blocks and stuff like that at ni you

 

0:11:21.959,0:11:26.000

learn it's it's not you know you get

 

0:11:23.639,0:11:29.800

your head's on a swivel and one of the

 

0:11:26.000,0:11:31.120

reasons I went to tripod was during the

 

0:11:29.800,0:11:33.519

day I'm used to sitting there you know

 

0:11:31.120,0:11:36.000

when I call during the day I pretty much

 

0:11:33.519,0:11:39.440

have my elbow rested on my knee and I

 

0:11:36.000,0:11:40.760

have my gun and my shoulder and I'm

 

0:11:39.440,0:11:42.440

handed on the remote you know I'm

 

0:11:40.760,0:11:44.120

scanning then when I started night

 

0:11:42.440,0:11:45.320

hunting it's like okay I can't do that

 

0:11:44.120,0:11:49.079

no more because now I got to hold a

 

0:11:45.320,0:11:50.800

scanner up to my eye right right yeah so

 

0:11:49.079,0:11:53.480

that that was one big Advantage also

 

0:11:50.800,0:11:57.600

about a tripod was it it freed up that

 

0:11:53.480,0:11:59.560

other hand yes yes yeah no it makes it's

 

0:11:57.600,0:12:02.480

a that's a great point

 

0:11:59.560,0:12:04.279

and about the day hunting versus night

 

0:12:02.480,0:12:05.880

hunting do you still do quite a bit of

 

0:12:04.279,0:12:09.240

day stough or you pretty much just

 

0:12:05.880,0:12:11.079

basically night hunting nowadays I do

 

0:12:09.240,0:12:14.160

some da hunting here and there but not

 

0:12:11.079,0:12:15.720

as much as I used to but still I there's

 

0:12:14.160,0:12:18.000

there's a lot of stuff about the day I

 

0:12:15.720,0:12:20.320

miss I mean there's

 

0:12:18.000,0:12:22.079

a at night it's a lot different you

 

0:12:20.320,0:12:23.639

during the day you're seeing a lot more

 

0:12:22.079,0:12:26.399

stuff you're seeing the scenery and you

 

0:12:23.639,0:12:28.560

can kind of you can kind of days off and

 

0:12:26.399,0:12:29.720

look at the admire the sunset or

 

0:12:28.560,0:12:31.160

something like that you know and just

 

0:12:29.720,0:12:32.480

taking it in the moment but when you're

 

0:12:31.160,0:12:34.720

out there at night you're holding a

 

0:12:32.480,0:12:36.079

scanner up to your eye right so you're

 

0:12:34.720,0:12:38.240

not doing that so you're constantly

 

0:12:36.079,0:12:38.240

you're

 

0:12:38.480,0:12:44.880

not basking right I know how you how you

 

0:12:43.160,0:12:46.800

put it you know living in the moment or

 

0:12:44.880,0:12:48.320

something you know when you're out there

 

0:12:46.800,0:12:50.519

you got that tunnel vision and you're

 

0:12:48.320,0:12:51.800

focused and you're living through that

 

0:12:50.519,0:12:53.880

scanner

 

0:12:51.800,0:12:55.440

and and it's kind of it's a different

 

0:12:53.880,0:12:57.639

feel anyway because you know it's like a

 

0:12:55.440,0:13:00.560

digital image so it's not you know what

 

0:12:57.639,0:13:02.600

I mean it's I got I totally get it I I

 

0:13:00.560,0:13:04.959

understand that for sure it's addictive

 

0:13:02.600,0:13:07.360

it's addictive yeah oh yeah I mean

 

0:13:04.959,0:13:11.160

there's no doubt about that I don't do

 

0:13:07.360,0:13:13.600

hardly any of it really

 

0:13:11.160,0:13:17.320

the I don't even know how to put it I

 

0:13:13.600,0:13:20.000

guess the extent of my night hunting is

 

0:13:17.320,0:13:22.320

usually just helping out like behind a

 

0:13:20.000,0:13:24.600

camera it's usually guys from the office

 

0:13:22.320,0:13:26.800

they're all big night hunters and and

 

0:13:24.600,0:13:28.279

you know they've got I shouldn't say I

 

0:13:26.800,0:13:30.000

don't have the confidence I can get it

 

0:13:28.279,0:13:32.120

done I'm just always like hey guys you

 

0:13:30.000,0:13:33.600

the ones got the experience you just let

 

0:13:32.120,0:13:35.360

me know when something's coming in and

 

0:13:33.600,0:13:37.320

I'll hit record on his camera so it can

 

0:13:35.360,0:13:39.160

film you guys you know what I mean it's

 

0:13:37.320,0:13:42.160

just the that's pretty much the extent

 

0:13:39.160,0:13:44.360

of my experience with that but you know

 

0:13:42.160,0:13:46.399

I do when we're doing that I'll actually

 

0:13:44.360,0:13:48.519

be with a scanner myself and scanning to

 

0:13:46.399,0:13:50.199

help pick out animals but yeah I

 

0:13:48.519,0:13:53.320

understand what you're saying about that

 

0:13:50.199,0:13:55.680

it's it and I can I can tell where it's

 

0:13:53.320,0:13:57.600

can be extremely addicting cuz there's

 

0:13:55.680,0:13:59.440

nothing can hide from them thermals I

 

0:13:57.600,0:14:01.360

mean and there's so

 

0:13:59.440,0:14:03.120

many other animals that you're seeing at

 

0:14:01.360,0:14:04.600

night that you have never known was out

 

0:14:03.120,0:14:06.560

there it's pretty

 

0:14:04.600,0:14:08.120

cool yeah that's what you was talking

 

0:14:06.560,0:14:11.000

about judging distance you know I was

 

0:14:08.120,0:14:12.800

seeing those coyotes out there and I was

 

0:14:11.000,0:14:15.320

didn't have an lrf and I'm taking these

 

0:14:12.800,0:14:18.720

shots and I'm a little bit I'm used you

 

0:14:15.320,0:14:20.680

know I use a 22 250 Savage you know my

 

0:14:18.720,0:14:23.000

day my day gun I want to keep everything

 

0:14:20.680,0:14:25.240

consistent so when I bought the night

 

0:14:23.000,0:14:26.839

thermal I bought the exact same model

 

0:14:25.240,0:14:29.079

it's the same thing so it's all same

 

0:14:26.839,0:14:31.279

muscle memory and everything with that

 

0:14:29.079,0:14:33.000

day scope I mean you can see them you

 

0:14:31.279,0:14:35.240

can't see them as well during the day so

 

0:14:33.000,0:14:37.440

if you could see them in my terrain

 

0:14:35.240,0:14:39.360

during the day I could had a pretty good

 

0:14:37.440,0:14:41.079

chance of hitting them right then I went

 

0:14:39.360,0:14:43.120

out at night and I'm seeing all these

 

0:14:41.079,0:14:45.199

Coyotes out there and I'm taking these

 

0:14:43.120,0:14:47.079

shots and I see my Splash hitting really

 

0:14:45.199,0:14:49.800

really low

 

0:14:47.079,0:14:52.959

man a lot farther this thermal

 

0:14:49.800,0:14:54.399

outperforms me right right well and

 

0:14:52.959,0:14:57.360

that's one thing I've

 

0:14:54.399,0:14:59.040

noticed like here in my part of the

 

0:14:57.360,0:15:02.440

country right here in Kentucky it's

 

0:14:59.040,0:15:05.240

pretty rolling and of course most of the

 

0:15:02.440,0:15:07.040

places I hunt I've hunted for years so I

 

0:15:05.240,0:15:09.360

know the lay of the land I don't have to

 

0:15:07.040,0:15:11.079

range nothing because I know where you

 

0:15:09.360,0:15:12.959

know how far everything like how far

 

0:15:11.079,0:15:14.360

that Hillside is how far that block of

 

0:15:12.959,0:15:16.560

Timber is away and all that type of

 

0:15:14.360,0:15:19.160

stuff so when I do look through thermal

 

0:15:16.560,0:15:21.639

stuff here when the thermal season's in

 

0:15:19.160,0:15:23.920

it I know the distance because I know

 

0:15:21.639,0:15:26.120

how far it is to that block of timber

 

0:15:23.920,0:15:27.720

because I've seen that block of Timber

 

0:15:26.120,0:15:29.040

10 million times you know what I mean

 

0:15:27.720,0:15:30.560

but I can understand understand like

 

0:15:29.040,0:15:32.360

especially you get out in that flatter

 

0:15:30.560,0:15:34.040

type country when there's not a lot of

 

0:15:32.360,0:15:36.480

stuff out there that bust it up like

 

0:15:34.040,0:15:38.199

some of that Oklahoma country and Kansas

 

0:15:36.480,0:15:40.240

and you know that more what you would

 

0:15:38.199,0:15:41.839

call a traditional midwest state I could

 

0:15:40.240,0:15:43.959

see man where you could get really

 

0:15:41.839,0:15:45.959

really fooled uh you know I've done it

 

0:15:43.959,0:15:47.319

in a daytime like out in Wyoming and

 

0:15:45.959,0:15:50.319

stuff when we first started hunting the

 

0:15:47.319,0:15:52.880

West at Sagebrush country I'd get fooled

 

0:15:50.319,0:15:54.279

in the daytime on how far animals were

 

0:15:52.880,0:15:56.600

and do the same type of stuff you're

 

0:15:54.279,0:16:00.079

talking about I chewed at a coyote that

 

0:15:56.600,0:16:02.519

I thought was 250 yards off my brother's

 

0:16:00.079,0:16:04.680

looking at me like what are you doing

 

0:16:02.519,0:16:07.399

that thing's 500 and something yards

 

0:16:04.680,0:16:10.000

away why are you shooting what's call

 

0:16:07.399,0:16:11.959

you know so I can definitely see how

 

0:16:10.000,0:16:14.120

that happens for

 

0:16:11.959,0:16:15.720

sure one thing people don't know about

 

0:16:14.120,0:16:18.160

Oklahoma you don't think about this you

 

0:16:15.720,0:16:20.279

know it says right here you Oklahoma

 

0:16:18.160,0:16:22.839

offers the nation's most diverse TR

 

0:16:20.279,0:16:25.160

terrain right it's one of only four

 

0:16:22.839,0:16:27.199

states with 10 Eco regions so a lot of

 

0:16:25.160,0:16:29.680

the land I call is a lot different I

 

0:16:27.199,0:16:31.399

mean you can go from literally like one

 

0:16:29.680,0:16:33.600

side of the river to the other I mean

 

0:16:31.399,0:16:35.680

the ground changes you're in Red Dirt

 

0:16:33.600,0:16:37.240

Clay on one side of the river you go

 

0:16:35.680,0:16:39.959

across the river and you're en rolling

 

0:16:37.240,0:16:41.959

Sand Hills with Plum thickets right a

 

0:16:39.959,0:16:44.360

lot of the land I find it too I've grew

 

0:16:41.959,0:16:46.560

up on out there and I know a lot of it

 

0:16:44.360,0:16:49.079

but a lot of the other acreage that I've

 

0:16:46.560,0:16:51.240

picked up I've had access to for a long

 

0:16:49.079,0:16:53.920

time but it wasn't that productive to

 

0:16:51.240,0:16:55.480

call during the day it was just so open

 

0:16:53.920,0:16:57.160

right but once it opened up the night

 

0:16:55.480,0:16:59.519

hunting and I went back out there and

 

0:16:57.160,0:17:02.360

those those places are a lot more

 

0:16:59.519,0:17:04.480

productive I see so I didn't realize

 

0:17:02.360,0:17:06.520

that night season wasn't always in in

 

0:17:04.480,0:17:08.959

Oklahoma I've actually hunted Oklahoma

 

0:17:06.520,0:17:11.600

before in the past it's been a while uh

 

0:17:08.959,0:17:13.880

but we day hunted of course but I just

 

0:17:11.600,0:17:15.480

assumed where it was Sam was right there

 

0:17:13.880,0:17:17.280

close to Texas I don't know I guess I

 

0:17:15.480,0:17:18.679

always thought that the night season was

 

0:17:17.280,0:17:20.280

it's always been a thing there I didn't

 

0:17:18.679,0:17:21.439

realize that how long ago did you say

 

0:17:20.280,0:17:24.959

that night

 

0:17:21.439,0:17:27.039

season came about for Oklahoma a little

 

0:17:24.959,0:17:30.400

over a year I think in November of

 

0:17:27.039,0:17:30.400

2022 so

 

0:17:31.320,0:17:34.520

and see it's not for recreational

 

0:17:32.760,0:17:36.679

hunting you can't hunt any public ground

 

0:17:34.520,0:17:40.679

or anything like that this is for pretty

 

0:17:36.679,0:17:42.640

much for um control right right to

 

0:17:40.679,0:17:44.240

protecting livestock so it has to be on

 

0:17:42.640,0:17:46.760

private

 

0:17:44.240,0:17:49.080

ground right they had hog hunting it was

 

0:17:46.760,0:17:50.679

open longer but they just made it for

 

0:17:49.080,0:17:53.000

coyotes too

 

0:17:50.679,0:17:54.400

but well I got a I got a couple

 

0:17:53.000,0:17:57.960

questions here I'm going to ask you and

 

0:17:54.400,0:17:59.480

this this one here I'm fixing to ask you

 

0:17:57.960,0:18:01.320

might

 

0:17:59.480,0:18:03.200

might stump you a little bit we'll see

 

0:18:01.320,0:18:05.400

how see if it does or not I thought

 

0:18:03.200,0:18:06.919

about sending it to you earlier like hey

 

0:18:05.400,0:18:09.120

might send this to Jeremy so he can kind

 

0:18:06.919,0:18:11.240

of chew this over see what his answer be

 

0:18:09.120,0:18:14.080

but I said see if I can't catch him off

 

0:18:11.240,0:18:17.039

guard you know Jeremy yeah see just see

 

0:18:14.080,0:18:19.400

how you react to it you know I we just

 

0:18:17.039,0:18:22.360

be I've I've heard about you for a while

 

0:18:19.400,0:18:24.280

in the coyote scene and uh finally we

 

0:18:22.360,0:18:26.240

got you know sent you a friend request

 

0:18:24.280,0:18:27.559

become friends on Facebook and I've

 

0:18:26.240,0:18:29.600

always I've been following along with

 

0:18:27.559,0:18:32.880

you post for for about a year now I

 

0:18:29.600,0:18:34.919

guess but uh U I always look forward to

 

0:18:32.880,0:18:36.760

seeing your your hunting adventures and

 

0:18:34.919,0:18:39.520

always a pleasure to see your post you

 

0:18:36.760,0:18:41.520

know often times your post seem like

 

0:18:39.520,0:18:44.520

you're always telling a like telling a

 

0:18:41.520,0:18:46.799

story in the post which I like and the

 

0:18:44.520,0:18:50.480

story is always accompanied by a well

 

0:18:46.799,0:18:52.880

put together clean nice photo and it

 

0:18:50.480,0:18:55.840

just seems that it that you show a great

 

0:18:52.880,0:18:57.679

appreciation for the coyotes and the

 

0:18:55.840,0:18:59.480

sport of coyote Colin just that's just

 

0:18:57.679,0:19:01.640

kind of what that projects from your

 

0:18:59.480,0:19:03.760

style of posting with how you put your

 

0:19:01.640,0:19:07.760

pictures together and I guess my

 

0:19:03.760,0:19:10.320

question is it goes along with good the

 

0:19:07.760,0:19:14.559

the the question I have that goes along

 

0:19:10.320,0:19:19.280

with that is what does kyot calling and

 

0:19:14.559,0:19:19.280

kyot hunting mean to Jeremy

 

0:19:19.600,0:19:23.880

nickel

 

0:19:21.159,0:19:25.480

ah I guess my life wouldn't be complete

 

0:19:23.880,0:19:29.200

without the

 

0:19:25.480,0:19:31.000

coyot and um it's changed so much over

 

0:19:29.200,0:19:33.280

the years you know I've spent so much

 

0:19:31.000,0:19:35.679

time it's been it's been really almost

 

0:19:33.280,0:19:37.880

therapeutic for me it's how I unwind

 

0:19:35.679,0:19:40.600

right you know yeah I've evolved over

 

0:19:37.880,0:19:42.120

time you know I can I can look back to

 

0:19:40.600,0:19:43.440

when I was a kid you know and I was

 

0:19:42.120,0:19:44.280

doing all this stuff wrong and I

 

0:19:43.440,0:19:46.320

remember

 

0:19:44.280,0:19:48.640

seeing I don't know how to put it this

 

0:19:46.320,0:19:50.120

but sometimes they would scream coyotes

 

0:19:48.640,0:19:51.960

on the fence when you would drive down

 

0:19:50.120,0:19:54.200

the county road and I would see that and

 

0:19:51.960,0:19:56.200

I would see that and I was like I was

 

0:19:54.200,0:19:58.400

amazed at like how someone could do that

 

0:19:56.200,0:20:00.520

you like that don't see I'm you know I'm

 

0:19:58.400,0:20:01.799

out here and I'm chasing him with a 20

 

0:20:00.520,0:20:03.640

this is when I'm like a little kid I'm

 

0:20:01.799,0:20:05.720

chasing him with a 22 it's like I'm it's

 

0:20:03.640,0:20:07.640

rare to even see one and I can hear him

 

0:20:05.720,0:20:11.000

and everything

 

0:20:07.640,0:20:12.960

but I just I just chased him so much

 

0:20:11.000,0:20:15.159

like that and then I eventually I got to

 

0:20:12.960,0:20:16.640

I hate to admit that you know but I had

 

0:20:15.159,0:20:18.080

a point in my life where I started

 

0:20:16.640,0:20:20.039

hanging them on a fence too and I was

 

0:20:18.080,0:20:21.360

like I was like no man that's not the

 

0:20:20.039,0:20:23.600

right thing to be doing I quit doing

 

0:20:21.360,0:20:26.280

that a long time ago but

 

0:20:23.600,0:20:28.200

um I had learned that as a kid then I it

 

0:20:26.280,0:20:29.520

was like a ride of Passage or something

 

0:20:28.200,0:20:31.559

something I don't know how to explain it

 

0:20:29.520,0:20:33.440

but after that you know I've just looked

 

0:20:31.559,0:20:36.400

at it that

 

0:20:33.440,0:20:37.679

um I respect them so much more with

 

0:20:36.400,0:20:39.559

their intelligence you know because I

 

0:20:37.679,0:20:40.919

underestimate him like I said you know

 

0:20:39.559,0:20:42.640

when I was telling you when I went out

 

0:20:40.919,0:20:44.400

to call him from the first time hearing

 

0:20:42.640,0:20:47.240

him being called in with the squeaky

 

0:20:44.400,0:20:49.039

caror or something you know and then

 

0:20:47.240,0:20:50.559

they've earned my respect like that you

 

0:20:49.039,0:20:54.000

know and I

 

0:20:50.559,0:20:55.960

can one of one of my earliest memories I

 

0:20:54.000,0:20:57.799

have is out there at my grandpa's farm

 

0:20:55.960,0:20:59.280

you know when the holidays one my

 

0:20:57.799,0:21:00.520

cousins would come out there and as at

 

0:20:59.280,0:21:02.080

night we're out there playing in the

 

0:21:00.520,0:21:03.840

barn and stuff with little B kids and

 

0:21:02.080,0:21:06.840

these coyotes would light up close and I

 

0:21:03.840,0:21:08.480

remember they sounded Eerie almost scary

 

0:21:06.840,0:21:10.159

yep you know I remember my little sister

 

0:21:08.480,0:21:13.840

running back to the house you know I

 

0:21:10.159,0:21:15.640

mean there's just something about about

 

0:21:13.840,0:21:20.080

the K you know I

 

0:21:15.640,0:21:21.880

mean I don't refer to them as dogs no

 

0:21:20.080,0:21:24.880

like that you know they're they're the

 

0:21:21.880,0:21:26.720

North American coyote that's right you

 

0:21:24.880,0:21:28.720

know and people want to put him down and

 

0:21:26.720,0:21:30.600

persecute him and everything and I

 

0:21:28.720,0:21:32.960

they do destroy livestock you know and

 

0:21:30.600,0:21:34.840

being around my grandpa's farm growing

 

0:21:32.960,0:21:36.880

up and all that you know there was just

 

0:21:34.840,0:21:38.120

an inbred hate for him you know but over

 

0:21:36.880,0:21:41.480

time know

 

0:21:38.120,0:21:43.240

it's you know I don't know I guess as

 

0:21:41.480,0:21:44.760

far as going back I don't know if I'm

 

0:21:43.240,0:21:46.919

heard you on a one of your other

 

0:21:44.760,0:21:50.320

podcasts talked con someone a politician

 

0:21:46.919,0:21:52.600

dancing around the question no you're

 

0:21:50.320,0:21:54.039

I'm not trying to do that no no no no no

 

0:21:52.600,0:21:55.279

but you know for those photos you know

 

0:21:54.039,0:21:56.880

when I'm walking around you I'm

 

0:21:55.279,0:21:58.039

observing stuff you know I walk buy some

 

0:21:56.880,0:21:59.200

Old Farm Equipment or something

 

0:21:58.039,0:22:01.440

something like that you know I like I

 

0:21:59.200,0:22:03.440

make a mental not of that that's nice

 

0:22:01.440,0:22:05.400

that's got some nice rust color to that

 

0:22:03.440,0:22:07.039

you know I go back in the morning you

 

0:22:05.400,0:22:08.440

know and I get my camera out and I take

 

0:22:07.039,0:22:11.320

a few different pictures of it from

 

0:22:08.440,0:22:14.159

different angles to get it you know and

 

0:22:11.320,0:22:16.480

yep I try to capture that you know and I

 

0:22:14.159,0:22:18.919

mean I I run it through this pictures

 

0:22:16.480,0:22:21.640

through snapy to enhance the colors and

 

0:22:18.919,0:22:24.360

stuff that too you know I mean that's

 

0:22:21.640,0:22:25.880

but I don't know it's just a little

 

0:22:24.360,0:22:27.600

memory of mine for each one of those

 

0:22:25.880,0:22:29.080

hunts you know I mean any Kyo Hunter

 

0:22:27.600,0:22:31.760

knows when you go out there there's a

 

0:22:29.080,0:22:33.679

lot of stuff that happens that

 

0:22:31.760,0:22:35.559

off-the-wall stuff you know it's just I

 

0:22:33.679,0:22:37.039

don't know every one of my pictures that

 

0:22:35.559,0:22:39.760

I can look back on you know it's like I

 

0:22:37.039,0:22:41.799

remember certain things about them right

 

0:22:39.760,0:22:43.360

well you know and it's you know I when I

 

0:22:41.799,0:22:45.360

said it about the pictures too I mean

 

0:22:43.360,0:22:46.360

it's just like when you're say Facebook

 

0:22:45.360,0:22:48.120

you know social media if you're

 

0:22:46.360,0:22:50.640

scrolling through Facebook you know I'm

 

0:22:48.120,0:22:53.799

friends with tons of Predator Hunters KY

 

0:22:50.640,0:22:55.960

Hunters Fox Hunters whole nine yards and

 

0:22:53.799,0:22:58.200

I love seeing everybody's post you know

 

0:22:55.960,0:22:59.880

I you know I there's a I'm a fan of of a

 

0:22:58.200,0:23:02.600

lot of coy Hunters I just love seeing

 

0:22:59.880,0:23:04.159

everybody having success and and reading

 

0:23:02.600,0:23:06.200

their about their stands that they've

 

0:23:04.159,0:23:09.440

had or the night of hunting they had a

 

0:23:06.200,0:23:11.880

day the week or whatever but uh there's

 

0:23:09.440,0:23:15.159

nothing that'll stop me from scrolling

 

0:23:11.880,0:23:16.640

faster than seeing the like a type of

 

0:23:15.159,0:23:18.720

post that you put out you can see you

 

0:23:16.640,0:23:20.799

got a story there and there the pictures

 

0:23:18.720,0:23:23.120

are eyeg grabbing you know it's just

 

0:23:20.799,0:23:25.120

like I said you you posture the coyotes

 

0:23:23.120,0:23:27.159

up nice and neat and there's always some

 

0:23:25.120,0:23:29.120

kind of cool background whether it be an

 

0:23:27.159,0:23:31.880

old building a piece of farm equipment

 

0:23:29.120,0:23:34.279

old truck or whatever and uh it just all

 

0:23:31.880,0:23:36.279

flows together and it's just so more

 

0:23:34.279,0:23:38.720

appealing not that there's anything

 

0:23:36.279,0:23:40.960

wrong with how anybody else does it but

 

0:23:38.720,0:23:43.279

it's more ey grabbing that type of stuff

 

0:23:40.960,0:23:46.320

is and then just like a three or four

 

0:23:43.279,0:23:48.880

coat it's all wed up and you know

 

0:23:46.320,0:23:50.840

mangled up that's what I'm doing yeah

 

0:23:48.880,0:23:53.159

I'm I'm trying to hide them tongues and

 

0:23:50.840,0:23:55.360

bullet

 

0:23:53.159,0:23:57.600

holes and that's what I say it when I

 

0:23:55.360,0:23:59.200

see it it's like man he's got a he's got

 

0:23:57.600,0:24:02.400

a little a little bit more appreciation

 

0:23:59.200,0:24:05.120

to that you know it just stands out I

 

0:24:02.400,0:24:06.559

think it's cool you know and I think we

 

0:24:05.120,0:24:09.279

had a little something in common there

 

0:24:06.559,0:24:11.200

CU I I was raised up in a farming family

 

0:24:09.279,0:24:13.960

my dad's a beef cattle farmer still is

 

0:24:11.200,0:24:16.159

to this day and he has a hatred for

 

0:24:13.960,0:24:18.760

coyotes and that's kind of how I got

 

0:24:16.159,0:24:21.200

started into coyot hunting is because of

 

0:24:18.760,0:24:23.200

depredation years ago I didn't really

 

0:24:21.200,0:24:26.399

realize what kind of trouble that they

 

0:24:23.200,0:24:28.120

were causing or could be causing but Dad

 

0:24:26.399,0:24:30.799

was like you know how you won't you try

 

0:24:28.120,0:24:33.880

hunting these things or whatever and at

 

0:24:30.799,0:24:36.000

the time just cuz it was passed down

 

0:24:33.880,0:24:38.440

from him and uncles and stuff like that

 

0:24:36.000,0:24:40.000

I kind of hated the things too you know

 

0:24:38.440,0:24:42.200

like you might be out doing something

 

0:24:40.000,0:24:44.240

and come back like Dad I saw a dag on

 

0:24:42.200,0:24:46.600

Coy after in a pasture field you know

 

0:24:44.240,0:24:49.240

and but anyway after I've got to hunt

 

0:24:46.600,0:24:52.720

them and then realized how like you said

 

0:24:49.240,0:24:55.159

how how weary and how smart intelligent

 

0:24:52.720,0:24:56.960

of a creature they are and then chasing

 

0:24:55.159,0:24:58.520

them for all these years and trying to

 

0:24:56.960,0:25:00.559

you know having

 

0:24:58.520,0:25:03.200

some great success and then having all

 

0:25:00.559,0:25:05.399

those days that you get humbled as well

 

0:25:03.200,0:25:07.760

just because of how they can outsmart

 

0:25:05.399,0:25:09.960

you man I got a great appreciation for

 

0:25:07.760,0:25:13.120

them they're a cool animal I mean I

 

0:25:09.960,0:25:15.640

appreciate everything about them

 

0:25:13.120,0:25:17.360

so my question didn't stump you like I

 

0:25:15.640,0:25:20.080

thought it was going to you did

 

0:25:17.360,0:25:22.799

awesome well I am too I mean I still

 

0:25:20.080,0:25:24.840

deal with it my my my daughter's there

 

0:25:22.799,0:25:27.360

she's in college now but growing up you

 

0:25:24.840,0:25:29.240

know we lost she had to keep her cats in

 

0:25:27.360,0:25:30.679

the side they're right I go to the

 

0:25:29.240,0:25:32.480

bathroom I can hear him howling out my

 

0:25:30.679,0:25:36.279

window it's like you don't realize who's

 

0:25:32.480,0:25:38.159

in here you're right right yeah I'm I've

 

0:25:36.279,0:25:39.960

got like a little pet wah you know when

 

0:25:38.159,0:25:42.559

I let him out to go use the bathroom at

 

0:25:39.960,0:25:44.880

night you know I make noise so that you

 

0:25:42.559,0:25:46.520

don't wander off you know get eaten by a

 

0:25:44.880,0:25:48.320

coyote out there they're right at they

 

0:25:46.520,0:25:50.760

their tracks are in my driveway I

 

0:25:48.320,0:25:52.039

they're just right they're there yeah

 

0:25:50.760,0:25:55.159

and you know when I was saying like you

 

0:25:52.039,0:25:57.320

know like Dad hates them I still you got

 

0:25:55.159,0:25:58.440

to respect them you know you got to

 

0:25:57.320,0:26:01.640

respect

 

0:25:58.440,0:26:04.279

uh the animal that they are and you also

 

0:26:01.640,0:26:05.840

got to respect how damaging they can be

 

0:26:04.279,0:26:08.960

because I mean there's millions of

 

0:26:05.840,0:26:12.440

dollars of loss every year in the Ault

 

0:26:08.960,0:26:14.559

word world to a c so they are extremely

 

0:26:12.440,0:26:16.279

extremely destructive and they can be

 

0:26:14.559,0:26:18.039

destructive to other species that are

 

0:26:16.279,0:26:19.559

around them as well and even to

 

0:26:18.039,0:26:21.080

themselves when they get overpopulated

 

0:26:19.559,0:26:23.440

you know they get to mange and all

 

0:26:21.080,0:26:24.720

different kind of diseases so you know

 

0:26:23.440,0:26:26.760

it's always one thing you got to knock

 

0:26:24.720,0:26:28.279

them back a notch or three but they I do

 

0:26:26.760,0:26:32.240

have a lot of respect for in more ways

 

0:26:28.279,0:26:34.320

than one yeah 2018 we had a bad outbreak

 

0:26:32.240,0:26:36.679

of that sarcoptic mange here in my area

 

0:26:34.320,0:26:37.799

and it was like every every other one I

 

0:26:36.679,0:26:40.360

was there was some sometimes that gotten

 

0:26:37.799,0:26:43.080

kill four or five and all of them would

 

0:26:40.360,0:26:45.039

have that mange yeah and 2009 the

 

0:26:43.080,0:26:48.039

population and went down yeah but I

 

0:26:45.039,0:26:49.480

haven't I've getting a few of them

 

0:26:48.039,0:26:52.240

around here that have maned now but

 

0:26:49.480,0:26:55.480

nothing like it was in 2018 right you

 

0:26:52.240,0:26:58.480

know what I remember probably 15 years

 

0:26:55.480,0:27:00.760

ago we had a couple po Pock ETS around

 

0:26:58.480,0:27:02.760

here at home that had it bad and then

 

0:27:00.760,0:27:04.960

all a sudden it just disappeared and I

 

0:27:02.760,0:27:06.960

haven't seen it for a long time until

 

0:27:04.960,0:27:08.840

this year I've killed a few coyot around

 

0:27:06.960,0:27:10.919

here that's it's been pretty rough

 

0:27:08.840,0:27:12.399

actually actually killed one a couple

 

0:27:10.919,0:27:14.600

weeks ago that I don't think it would

 

0:27:12.399,0:27:17.679

have survived the week we had some

 

0:27:14.600,0:27:19.640

single digit temps and below below zero

 

0:27:17.679,0:27:21.919

temps had six or seven inches of snow on

 

0:27:19.640,0:27:24.480

the ground and you get in situations

 

0:27:21.919,0:27:25.880

like had those those coow that's in real

 

0:27:24.480,0:27:27.720

rough shape from the mange I mean

 

0:27:25.880,0:27:30.840

they're almost like committing suicide

 

0:27:27.720,0:27:33.480

to the to a rabbit you know and uh we

 

0:27:30.840,0:27:35.240

you'll one it was pretty rough I've said

 

0:27:33.480,0:27:36.520

that I've said that about a lot of them

 

0:27:35.240,0:27:38.399

too like hey this one would never

 

0:27:36.520,0:27:41.120

survive the winter but then I kill some

 

0:27:38.399,0:27:43.600

in May that are completely bald that

 

0:27:41.120,0:27:46.960

didn't survive the win right right well

 

0:27:43.600,0:27:48.159

they got a survive that's for sure well

 

0:27:46.960,0:27:50.480

you know there's two different kinds of

 

0:27:48.159,0:27:52.440

mange too there's that sarcoptic M and

 

0:27:50.480,0:27:54.760

there's that Dem demotic mange I think

 

0:27:52.440,0:27:56.440

is the one the the sarcoptic mange is

 

0:27:54.760,0:27:58.919

the one that that's really bad an

 

0:27:56.440,0:28:01.360

outbreak yeah contagious with the m you

 

0:27:58.919,0:28:03.840

know the the demotic Mage I forget how

 

0:28:01.360,0:28:06.399

you pronounce it that's just um a

 

0:28:03.840,0:28:08.760

deficiency in their immune system yeah

 

0:28:06.399,0:28:11.240

yeah yeah people are scared to touch

 

0:28:08.760,0:28:13.039

them you know that means it those mites

 

0:28:11.240,0:28:14.200

die on a person's skin you can pick

 

0:28:13.039,0:28:15.519

those things up and you might get a

 

0:28:14.200,0:28:17.840

little bit of a rash and it ain't going

 

0:28:15.519,0:28:19.679

to hurt you yeah we I know I had one

 

0:28:17.840,0:28:22.679

pocket here at home it was actually on

 

0:28:19.679,0:28:26.799

one property there for like few years

 

0:28:22.679,0:28:28.679

straight every Co that you called in uh

 

0:28:26.799,0:28:31.120

they'd have it I mean they they they'd

 

0:28:28.679,0:28:32.760

either be plum nasty eat up with it or

 

0:28:31.120,0:28:34.200

like maybe just their back end was eat

 

0:28:32.760,0:28:36.080

up with it or what but it had to be

 

0:28:34.200,0:28:37.360

something that was in a dite or

 

0:28:36.080,0:28:39.279

something you know like it was in the

 

0:28:37.360,0:28:41.440

ground or something it was like years in

 

0:28:39.279,0:28:44.200

a row that every coow there would have

 

0:28:41.440,0:28:46.960

it it's Nature's way of dealing with

 

0:28:44.200,0:28:48.880

overpopulation yep but nature also has a

 

0:28:46.960,0:28:50.960

way to bounce them coyotes back too with

 

0:28:48.880,0:28:52.399

their litter size that's right yeah just

 

0:28:50.960,0:28:55.760

like saying they're cool they're a cool

 

0:28:52.399,0:28:57.559

animal there's a man there's well

 

0:28:55.760,0:28:58.960

they're they survived they're the they

 

0:28:57.559,0:29:00.640

flourished where the Wolves couldn't

 

0:28:58.960,0:29:02.679

survive you know we almost eradicated

 

0:29:00.640,0:29:04.159

the Wolves when we when we settled the

 

0:29:02.679,0:29:06.399

country you know but we could you can't

 

0:29:04.159,0:29:09.000

St you can't persecute and stem out the

 

0:29:06.399,0:29:11.399

coyotes I know the more persecution they

 

0:29:09.000,0:29:14.000

are the more their populations grow

 

0:29:11.399,0:29:17.159

right right yep and that's good that's a

 

0:29:14.000,0:29:19.039

good thing for us for coyot callers yeah

 

0:29:17.159,0:29:22.039

yeah it is it is I

 

0:29:19.039,0:29:23.760

know what me let me ask you this you

 

0:29:22.039,0:29:25.240

talking about uh you know we're talking

 

0:29:23.760,0:29:26.600

about the kyot calling and stuff like

 

0:29:25.240,0:29:28.480

that and I know you call through the

 

0:29:26.600,0:29:30.640

falling winter I have noticed you call

 

0:29:28.480,0:29:33.200

some in the summer do you consider

 

0:29:30.640,0:29:36.679

yourself a a year round coyot caller do

 

0:29:33.200,0:29:39.320

you call 12 months out of the Year yes I

 

0:29:36.679,0:29:41.320

do oh well no I I don't during deer

 

0:29:39.320,0:29:44.640

season I usually take that off you

 

0:29:41.320,0:29:47.840

usually October and November I hun deer

 

0:29:44.640,0:29:50.960

and I take that off okay yeah I not to

 

0:29:47.840,0:29:53.000

say not always sometimes I the itch gets

 

0:29:50.960,0:29:55.960

bad and I

 

0:29:53.000,0:29:58.000

hunt or Rancher or Rancher hollers at

 

0:29:55.960,0:30:00.559

you says hey man we got a water I or

 

0:29:58.000,0:30:02.360

somebody need to get well that was

 

0:30:00.559,0:30:03.960

another thing about our firearm Seasons

 

0:30:02.360,0:30:06.279

you it's legal to hun them but you can't

 

0:30:03.960,0:30:07.799

during any um open firearm season for

 

0:30:06.279,0:30:10.840

deer and they think you're gonna be out

 

0:30:07.799,0:30:13.519

poaching or something I see so so yeah

 

0:30:10.840,0:30:15.760

you can't but I I'll go out and day hunt

 

0:30:13.519,0:30:19.720

them yeah okay

 

0:30:15.760,0:30:21.120

okay yeah I I hunt him year round what's

 

0:30:19.720,0:30:22.080

your what's your favorite time of the

 

0:30:21.120,0:30:24.440

year to

 

0:30:22.080,0:30:25.799

Callum do you have a favorite favorite

 

0:30:24.440,0:30:29.120

time time

 

0:30:25.799,0:30:30.880

frame I I'm thinking December right

 

0:30:29.120,0:30:33.880

after deer season stops is when it's the

 

0:30:30.880,0:30:36.200

most productive right right I kind of

 

0:30:33.880,0:30:37.720

like that spring calling too I mean I

 

0:30:36.200,0:30:40.000

know the numbers are down and they've

 

0:30:37.720,0:30:40.840

been pressured and but when they're when

 

0:30:40.000,0:30:42.840

they're

 

0:30:40.840,0:30:44.279

dinning you know if you know how to read

 

0:30:42.840,0:30:45.320

the train and stuff you can get in there

 

0:30:44.279,0:30:46.519

pretty close to them you know and

 

0:30:45.320,0:30:49.679

they're pretty predictable on where

 

0:30:46.519,0:30:52.679

they're going to be at y yep

 

0:30:49.679,0:30:54.799

yep so like uh so like when you was

 

0:30:52.679,0:30:56.279

talking about spring so you're talking

 

0:30:54.799,0:30:58.679

about when to actually put pups in the

 

0:30:56.279,0:30:59.919

ground and on into like the summer

 

0:30:58.679,0:31:04.519

months

 

0:30:59.919,0:31:06.440

in yeah does your uh what about uh what

 

0:31:04.519,0:31:08.279

about like your calling style is it how

 

0:31:06.440,0:31:10.760

do your calling style evolve through the

 

0:31:08.279,0:31:12.399

year or does it you you a type it just

 

0:31:10.760,0:31:15.039

runs a set of

 

0:31:12.399,0:31:17.080

sounds year round it's the same type of

 

0:31:15.039,0:31:19.600

stuff or do you change your your calling

 

0:31:17.080,0:31:20.639

Style say the winter calling versus

 

0:31:19.600,0:31:23.320

spring and

 

0:31:20.639,0:31:25.240

summer I very some like I mean right now

 

0:31:23.320,0:31:27.240

I'm using a lot more vocals and stuff

 

0:31:25.240,0:31:28.880

but a lot of times I just go out and I

 

0:31:27.240,0:31:30.399

find a sequence they're hitting on if

 

0:31:28.880,0:31:32.000

they're hitting on that sequence I

 

0:31:30.399,0:31:34.600

follow that through I'll pick up and

 

0:31:32.000,0:31:35.880

move another place and play that full

 

0:31:34.600,0:31:38.080

sequence you know just keep going with

 

0:31:35.880,0:31:40.360

it all night long

 

0:31:38.080,0:31:41.399

but yeah oh yeah you find something

 

0:31:40.360,0:31:44.639

that's working you might as well keep

 

0:31:41.399,0:31:47.320

running till it stops right

 

0:31:44.639,0:31:49.360

yeah let me let's go back to the night

 

0:31:47.320,0:31:51.440

the night hunting I think this is

 

0:31:49.360,0:31:55.000

interesting when I talk to guys at night

 

0:31:51.440,0:31:56.679

hunt um when you are night hunting do

 

0:31:55.000,0:31:58.480

how long do you stay out do you go all

 

0:31:56.679,0:32:00.000

all night long or do you have like a set

 

0:31:58.480,0:32:01.200

time frame that you kind of stick to

 

0:32:00.000,0:32:03.120

like hey I'm going right out when the

 

0:32:01.200,0:32:05.519

sun sets and I'm going to hunt till 11:

 

0:32:03.120,0:32:07.000

then I'm done or are you typ gu when

 

0:32:05.519,0:32:09.679

you're out there you you're pouring it

 

0:32:07.000,0:32:11.600

to them all night long I'm usually

 

0:32:09.679,0:32:14.840

pouring it to them all night long I

 

0:32:11.600,0:32:16.600

usually I mean I I watch the weather and

 

0:32:14.840,0:32:18.960

I check different weather apps and I

 

0:32:16.600,0:32:20.360

study satellite imagery and then I start

 

0:32:18.960,0:32:22.240

picking out where I'm going to go and I

 

0:32:20.360,0:32:23.600

start notifying land owners and I like

 

0:32:22.240,0:32:25.480

to try to get out there a little bit

 

0:32:23.600,0:32:27.760

before dark and drop some pins of where

 

0:32:25.480,0:32:29.279

I'm going to set up and

 

0:32:27.760,0:32:32.080

sometimes I'll make a stand right before

 

0:32:29.279,0:32:33.639

dark that golden hour before Sunset and

 

0:32:32.080,0:32:37.000

then I'll hunt all night long I'll hunt

 

0:32:33.639,0:32:40.480

until it gets light I'll got some

 

0:32:37.000,0:32:43.080

instant coffee andat Campbell soup right

 

0:32:40.480,0:32:46.240

out of the can and I don't stop I just

 

0:32:43.080,0:32:48.960

go I don't take no breaks dude you're

 

0:32:46.240,0:32:50.840

you're tougher than I am but yeah I mean

 

0:32:48.960,0:32:52.080

sometime sometimes I'll go out you know

 

0:32:50.840,0:32:53.360

and it's like I have to work the next

 

0:32:52.080,0:32:55.039

day or something and I go out and

 

0:32:53.360,0:32:56.440

they're hitting they're they're coming

 

0:32:55.039,0:32:57.799

in on every stand it's like man I'm

 

0:32:56.440,0:33:01.320

going to ride this out man this is one

 

0:32:57.799,0:33:03.279

of those nights so so so you've got off

 

0:33:01.320,0:33:05.440

work you've got off work and what out

 

0:33:03.279,0:33:08.360

here started Coy calling you worked all

 

0:33:05.440,0:33:09.880

day Coy call all day all night and night

 

0:33:08.360,0:33:12.360

and just change clothes go right into

 

0:33:09.880,0:33:15.960

work huh I hope no I hope no one from my

 

0:33:12.360,0:33:15.960

work here calling

 

0:33:16.279,0:33:21.600

sick that's all right yeah they all take

 

0:33:19.600,0:33:24.760

a vacation in

 

0:33:21.600,0:33:27.679

it that's I say you ain't the only

 

0:33:24.760,0:33:29.159

person that's done that

 

0:33:27.679,0:33:30.440

yeah I know once you get out there I

 

0:33:29.159,0:33:31.639

mean certain nights when they go out

 

0:33:30.440,0:33:33.399

there and they're just hitting on every

 

0:33:31.639,0:33:34.760

stand you're calling them in it's like

 

0:33:33.399,0:33:36.720

man this is one of those nights I'm just

 

0:33:34.760,0:33:38.360

going to keep riding this out sometimes

 

0:33:36.720,0:33:39.760

you'll lose track of time too and you

 

0:33:38.360,0:33:42.559

just look up and you know dang it's

 

0:33:39.760,0:33:44.399

starting to get light I realize right as

 

0:33:42.559,0:33:46.720

time goes by fast when you're having a

 

0:33:44.399,0:33:49.159

good time well that that's a good that's

 

0:33:46.720,0:33:52.320

another thing to segue into this

 

0:33:49.159,0:33:54.720

actually just recorded a podcast with uh

 

0:33:52.320,0:33:57.639

Al Morris and Ed wooden with Tory cook

 

0:33:54.720,0:34:02.039

and we mentioned stuff about moon phase

 

0:33:57.639,0:34:05.799

and uh just got their thoughts on on

 

0:34:02.039,0:34:08.520

what effect they think it can have on

 

0:34:05.799,0:34:10.280

coyotes and stuff have you noticed you

 

0:34:08.520,0:34:12.520

know you hear about the full full moon a

 

0:34:10.280,0:34:14.560

lot have you noticed any type of moon

 

0:34:12.520,0:34:17.560

phase that's less productive for you

 

0:34:14.560,0:34:19.599

Jeremy compared to others or do you have

 

0:34:17.560,0:34:21.359

like a moon phase you like shy away from

 

0:34:19.599,0:34:25.200

like hey if it's it's a full moon or

 

0:34:21.359,0:34:26.919

whatever I don't go type thing yeah I've

 

0:34:25.200,0:34:28.560

never been able to nail it down specific

 

0:34:26.919,0:34:30.320

speically but it seems like they respond

 

0:34:28.560,0:34:31.800

less during a full Moon I mean but I've

 

0:34:30.320,0:34:35.040

had some really good nights on a full

 

0:34:31.800,0:34:37.040

moon but if it's a new moon and it's not

 

0:34:35.040,0:34:38.679

then it's it's not blowing and and the

 

0:34:37.040,0:34:40.240

wind's not out of especially if the

 

0:34:38.679,0:34:41.960

wind's not out of the east or something

 

0:34:40.240,0:34:45.599

it's a new moon I'm usually taking off

 

0:34:41.960,0:34:47.320

and hunting oh really yeah so like so if

 

0:34:45.599,0:34:49.200

you see a new moon coming up and

 

0:34:47.320,0:34:51.240

weather's good you're taking you might

 

0:34:49.200,0:34:53.079

be taking some time off work you because

 

0:34:51.240,0:34:55.879

you think really stack them up so it's

 

0:34:53.079,0:35:00.280

like your favorite favorite time to hunt

 

0:34:55.879,0:35:01.480

them yeah another interesting thing go

 

0:35:00.280,0:35:04.240

go ahead there Jeremy what was you going

 

0:35:01.480,0:35:05.599

to say I've had some good Hunts on Full

 

0:35:04.240,0:35:07.119

Moon nights you know it's just like

 

0:35:05.599,0:35:09.119

calling during the day it's easier to

 

0:35:07.119,0:35:11.800

navigate and stuff at night you can you

 

0:35:09.119,0:35:13.680

can travel faster because you're not

 

0:35:11.800,0:35:15.520

right making s when you're walking and

 

0:35:13.680,0:35:18.200

stuff you can you can actually see

 

0:35:15.520,0:35:21.880

almost like daylight right right well

 

0:35:18.200,0:35:25.599

you know they both had some you know

 

0:35:21.880,0:35:28.599

Tori and Al had they give their input on

 

0:35:25.599,0:35:31.760

that and they say well kind of similar

 

0:35:28.599,0:35:34.480

to you they they have had really good

 

0:35:31.760,0:35:36.839

hunts during that time frame and and

 

0:35:34.480,0:35:38.920

have been hurt during that time frame

 

0:35:36.839,0:35:41.480

but they can't really put their finger

 

0:35:38.920,0:35:42.800

on saying that it actually is anything

 

0:35:41.480,0:35:46.079

to it you know they just don't have

 

0:35:42.800,0:35:48.119

enough uh sta you know information there

 

0:35:46.079,0:35:50.560

to really say hey yeah when it's a full

 

0:35:48.119,0:35:52.359

moon during this time of year blah blah

 

0:35:50.560,0:35:54.000

blah you ain't going to call in no CS

 

0:35:52.359,0:35:56.640

you know it's just they can't get any

 

0:35:54.000,0:35:58.359

consistent data to really support it I

 

0:35:56.640,0:35:59.720

guess yes cuz just like what you said

 

0:35:58.359,0:36:01.920

you've had some really good hunts during

 

0:35:59.720,0:36:04.760

that time frame too you know during full

 

0:36:01.920,0:36:07.119

moon so it's uh it'd be pretty

 

0:36:04.760,0:36:11.319

interesting about our whole podcast with

 

0:36:07.119,0:36:14.040

Tori uh was uh was a bathat pretty much

 

0:36:11.319,0:36:15.680

and some other different um you know

 

0:36:14.040,0:36:18.520

weather stuff and everything like that

 

0:36:15.680,0:36:20.520

so you wan to I've listened to a lot of

 

0:36:18.520,0:36:21.760

his stuff man that guy's a Wilson I

 

0:36:20.520,0:36:23.800

don't know I wonder if I wonder if he

 

0:36:21.760,0:36:28.160

sleeps in the denm with these coyotes

 

0:36:23.800,0:36:30.400

pretty much yeah I know he knows it I

 

0:36:28.160,0:36:32.400

mean and that's the reason I wanted to

 

0:36:30.400,0:36:35.240

do that podcast with him because you

 

0:36:32.400,0:36:37.280

know he's with these Couts daily you

 

0:36:35.240,0:36:40.040

know like almost like part of their

 

0:36:37.280,0:36:41.839

their family group type thing so I was

 

0:36:40.040,0:36:43.599

you know I could ask him like do you see

 

0:36:41.839,0:36:47.359

any difference how the coyotes act on a

 

0:36:43.599,0:36:48.880

full Moon versus this and and you know

 

0:36:47.359,0:36:50.720

are his coyotes though they're not even

 

0:36:48.880,0:36:52.160

in the pin though are they I thought

 

0:36:50.720,0:36:53.920

those are free range or something how

 

0:36:52.160,0:36:55.960

does he keep them around there without

 

0:36:53.920,0:36:58.760

them going out and running off with the

 

0:36:55.960,0:37:01.000

other ones I think they do do wander off

 

0:36:58.760,0:37:03.040

at times and I think he's even lost coow

 

0:37:01.000,0:37:05.200

before you know some of his Couts in the

 

0:37:03.040,0:37:06.920

past have run off and never come back or

 

0:37:05.200,0:37:09.599

he thinks that maybe one or two's been

 

0:37:06.920,0:37:11.520

killed by Coy hunters and stuff like

 

0:37:09.599,0:37:13.720

that for the most part though they stick

 

0:37:11.520,0:37:16.079

uh they stick right there I think almost

 

0:37:13.720,0:37:18.480

any given time they can look out back

 

0:37:16.079,0:37:20.520

back window and and see a cout back

 

0:37:18.480,0:37:23.280

there so yeah he can go right after her

 

0:37:20.520,0:37:24.960

to him and and how with how at him with

 

0:37:23.280,0:37:27.319

his mouth and they'll come jump up in

 

0:37:24.960,0:37:29.720

his lap and everything thing so it's

 

0:37:27.319,0:37:31.079

pretty wild yeah that's amazing yeah

 

0:37:29.720,0:37:33.480

that

 

0:37:31.079,0:37:36.000

is you uh you mentioned something about

 

0:37:33.480,0:37:37.599

the East Wind Me and Al actually talked

 

0:37:36.000,0:37:40.440

about that that was another question I

 

0:37:37.599,0:37:45.000

asked Al because I've seen him talk

 

0:37:40.440,0:37:46.480

about be on hunts and uh things rolling

 

0:37:45.000,0:37:48.319

good I think they was actually on a hunt

 

0:37:46.480,0:37:50.280

here just a week or two ago down to New

 

0:37:48.319,0:37:52.119

Mexico Arizona I can't remember where

 

0:37:50.280,0:37:55.319

they was at but I think they killed like

 

0:37:52.119,0:37:56.760

14 coyotes in a day and a half and then

 

0:37:55.319,0:37:58.280

all a sudden the wind you know they was

 

0:37:56.760,0:37:59.640

rolling in good this was all daytime

 

0:37:58.280,0:38:01.040

hunting then all a sudden the wind

 

0:37:59.640,0:38:03.920

switch come out of the East and it just

 

0:38:01.040,0:38:06.079

shut everything down so yeah you

 

0:38:03.920,0:38:08.480

experience that as well in

 

0:38:06.079,0:38:10.720

Oklahoma sometimes yeah well that that's

 

0:38:08.480,0:38:12.560

always been even with deer everything

 

0:38:10.720,0:38:14.040

else you know that wind out of the East

 

0:38:12.560,0:38:15.800

animals move the

 

0:38:14.040,0:38:18.200

Easter

 

0:38:15.800,0:38:19.560

right I say that was one of the thing

 

0:38:18.200,0:38:22.839

was talking about said you

 

0:38:19.560,0:38:26.240

know it's not a predominant wind here

 

0:38:22.839,0:38:28.359

either but when we do have that East

 

0:38:26.240,0:38:30.880

Wind I've got a a particular set of

 

0:38:28.359,0:38:33.240

stands that I never get to hunt unless I

 

0:38:30.880,0:38:34.839

have east in it so that's just what I

 

0:38:33.240,0:38:37.240

was got to say there's some there's some

 

0:38:34.839,0:38:38.599

places that require an East Wind go in

 

0:38:37.240,0:38:40.000

and and when I use when I hit those

 

0:38:38.599,0:38:42.119

spots are highly productive because they

 

0:38:40.000,0:38:43.680

don't get called much so I'm always like

 

0:38:42.119,0:38:46.119

ah man I can't wait for East win so I

 

0:38:43.680,0:38:48.160

can go hunt this macines property or

 

0:38:46.119,0:38:50.359

whatever you know and and usually go in

 

0:38:48.160,0:38:52.160

there and burn them up but i' I've never

 

0:38:50.359,0:38:54.000

but I've seen that a lot I've just seen

 

0:38:52.160,0:38:57.160

so many and there's got to be something

 

0:38:54.000,0:39:00.119

to it because I've seen too many people

 

0:38:57.160,0:39:01.720

and too many you know really high power

 

0:39:00.119,0:39:03.839

Coy Hunters talk about East Wind

 

0:39:01.720,0:39:05.960

shutting things down so that's pretty

 

0:39:03.839,0:39:07.920

interesting I've noticed it more at

 

0:39:05.960,0:39:09.599

night yeah but but when I day hunted

 

0:39:07.920,0:39:11.319

more maybe it's because I wasn't making

 

0:39:09.599,0:39:12.960

as many stands you because you you hunt

 

0:39:11.319,0:39:15.160

in the morning and take to the afternoon

 

0:39:12.960,0:39:16.640

off and then go out late afternoon but

 

0:39:15.160,0:39:19.400

it seems like when you're just back to

 

0:39:16.640,0:39:20.920

back at night right right you're just

 

0:39:19.400,0:39:23.160

getting you're just you're seeing so

 

0:39:20.920,0:39:25.680

much more you're seeing so much more

 

0:39:23.160,0:39:27.760

their behavior you're able to observe M

 

0:39:25.680,0:39:30.200

field way they interact with each other

 

0:39:27.760,0:39:32.560

it's just it's so much different you I

 

0:39:30.200,0:39:35.680

mean seems like you can see more in a

 

0:39:32.560,0:39:38.560

night of Kyo hunting than you could in a

 

0:39:35.680,0:39:40.680

month day hunting whole definitely

 

0:39:38.560,0:39:43.040

definitely I will say one thing you know

 

0:39:40.680,0:39:47.240

I do hunt quite a bit just north of you

 

0:39:43.040,0:39:48.680

there in in in Kansas and it seem like

 

0:39:47.240,0:39:49.920

we get a lot of East twins when we're

 

0:39:48.680,0:39:51.640

hunting that stuff there but you know

 

0:39:49.920,0:39:53.319

just daytime hunting but we usually do

 

0:39:51.640,0:39:55.280

pretty good up there in the daytime even

 

0:39:53.319,0:39:57.079

when you have the East twins so I'm not

 

0:39:55.280,0:39:58.920

saying there's nothing to it there there

 

0:39:57.079,0:40:00.880

but it's just it's just an interesting

 

0:39:58.920,0:40:03.200

thing to see what people's opinions are

 

0:40:00.880,0:40:05.400

on the on like that East wind direction

 

0:40:03.200,0:40:07.920

and how it affects their their calling

 

0:40:05.400,0:40:09.800

so there's got to be something to it I

 

0:40:07.920,0:40:12.480

guess I don't

 

0:40:09.800,0:40:14.720

know just you just can't never say never

 

0:40:12.480,0:40:18.480

though you just never know it's never

 

0:40:14.720,0:40:21.880

set in stone right so I mean like if you

 

0:40:18.480,0:40:24.400

say a full moon is coming up but you got

 

0:40:21.880,0:40:27.200

to itch to go KY calling you got a full

 

0:40:24.400,0:40:30.599

moon and your winds out of the East you

 

0:40:27.200,0:40:34.000

uh you staying at the house you going KY

 

0:40:30.599,0:40:37.200

col depends on how high that wind is say

 

0:40:34.000,0:40:38.839

5 m hour I'm still gonna go out you know

 

0:40:37.200,0:40:40.760

what's weird too is I'd almost prefer a

 

0:40:38.839,0:40:42.599

little bit more of a wind higher than

 

0:40:40.760,0:40:46.640

five mile an hour that five mile an hour

 

0:40:42.599,0:40:48.839

wind is just it swirls yeah yeah I agree

 

0:40:46.640,0:40:50.920

I'll get out there and I I'll stalk in

 

0:40:48.839,0:40:52.480

20 or 30 minutes to get into a spot and

 

0:40:50.920,0:40:54.599

set up and the wind is changing it's

 

0:40:52.480,0:40:55.839

like I can't even call this you pack up

 

0:40:54.599,0:40:57.760

and you move to another place and the

 

0:40:55.839,0:40:59.839

window Swit switch again yep waste a lot

 

0:40:57.760,0:41:01.240

of time and before you know yeah it's

 

0:40:59.839,0:41:02.760

just like man I I don't know what I'm

 

0:41:01.240,0:41:05.680

doing I've been out here for almost two

 

0:41:02.760,0:41:07.280

hours and I Haven even called right well

 

0:41:05.680,0:41:09.400

you just you just brought up another

 

0:41:07.280,0:41:10.599

question for me how far are you walking

 

0:41:09.400,0:41:12.280

in on your stands when you're doing

 

0:41:10.599,0:41:13.839

these night HS you know a lot of people

 

0:41:12.280,0:41:15.720

get kind of lazy they don't get too far

 

0:41:13.839,0:41:17.480

from the truck you see you walking in 30

 

0:41:15.720,0:41:21.000

minutes sometimes from a from for a

 

0:41:17.480,0:41:22.839

stand location yeah yeah sometimes

 

0:41:21.000,0:41:25.160

sometimes just it just depends on the

 

0:41:22.839,0:41:26.880

terrain I mean yeah and also it depends

 

0:41:25.160,0:41:28.079

on how often I've hunted place too I

 

0:41:26.880,0:41:29.520

mean if it's like one of the first times

 

0:41:28.079,0:41:32.359

to go in there you know I'm not going to

 

0:41:29.520,0:41:35.480

go in there too deep into that that

 

0:41:32.359,0:41:36.640

section it's I don't know how it is in

 

0:41:35.480,0:41:38.560

Kentucky I don't know how they have

 

0:41:36.640,0:41:40.359

everything laid out here but I think

 

0:41:38.560,0:41:42.240

it's the same in Kansas you know they

 

0:41:40.359,0:41:46.040

have

 

0:41:42.240,0:41:48.680

that 640 acre

 

0:41:46.040,0:41:50.560

section is is there's a County Road

 

0:41:48.680,0:41:52.280

about every mile yeah it's it's not like

 

0:41:50.560,0:41:54.040

that here but I know exactly what you're

 

0:41:52.280,0:41:55.760

talking about cuz I do a lot of hunting

 

0:41:54.040,0:41:57.359

in Kansas so I know I know those

 

0:41:55.760,0:41:58.720

sections

 

0:41:57.359,0:42:00.359

yeah and you look for that and you look

 

0:41:58.720,0:42:01.920

at the center you this CS kind of

 

0:42:00.359,0:42:03.839

gravitate towards the center of that

 

0:42:01.920,0:42:05.599

section and it's especially if the cover

 

0:42:03.839,0:42:08.839

is over in the the center of that

 

0:42:05.599,0:42:10.640

section so yeah I'm I'm not I'm not

 

0:42:08.839,0:42:13.760

afraid to walk in there I do I do do a

 

0:42:10.640,0:42:15.800

lot of walking right well you you won't

 

0:42:13.760,0:42:17.720

hear many people say that there's a you

 

0:42:15.800,0:42:20.920

know hey I get pretty lazy sometimes too

 

0:42:17.720,0:42:20.920

so I can't say nothing about

 

0:42:21.240,0:42:27.559

that yeah well let's uh let's switch

 

0:42:24.559,0:42:29.800

over to the Bobcats I mentioned up your

 

0:42:27.559,0:42:32.520

your hunt there that we was talking

 

0:42:29.800,0:42:35.359

about where you um stacked up four what

 

0:42:32.520,0:42:37.359

was it four bobcats in one day daytime

 

0:42:35.359,0:42:39.160

calling tell us about that hun CU I

 

0:42:37.359,0:42:42.359

think it started out you I think you had

 

0:42:39.160,0:42:44.280

a uh a phone call from a from a Rancher

 

0:42:42.359,0:42:45.880

or a friend or something that would had

 

0:42:44.280,0:42:47.640

been seeing a cat that maybe had got

 

0:42:45.880,0:42:50.599

into their chickens or something like

 

0:42:47.640,0:42:52.119

that yeah and I got that I got a cat

 

0:42:50.599,0:42:54.160

right there behind his place and I took

 

0:42:52.119,0:42:55.720

it up there to him and he thinks well he

 

0:42:54.160,0:42:56.680

thinks that other one was bigger than

 

0:42:55.720,0:42:59.319

that one

 

0:42:56.680,0:43:01.040

yeah but um it was day Collins then I

 

0:42:59.319,0:43:02.400

just went down and hit some other places

 

0:43:01.040,0:43:04.160

along the river you know and I've always

 

0:43:02.400,0:43:06.359

heard people talking about with cats

 

0:43:04.160,0:43:08.880

that they call in a lot of them with um

 

0:43:06.359,0:43:10.480

the bird and the um rabbits you know but

 

0:43:08.880,0:43:13.720

I have a lot of luck with them calling

 

0:43:10.480,0:43:15.760

them with pup distress really yeah I

 

0:43:13.720,0:43:17.880

have a lot of them come into that that

 

0:43:15.760,0:43:21.160

Pound Town yeah they like that and that

 

0:43:17.880,0:43:23.920

pup screams really I've had a lot come

 

0:43:21.160,0:43:28.079

into that like the first KY ever killed

 

0:43:23.920,0:43:31.400

with the um Fox Pro was one of that

 

0:43:28.079,0:43:33.599

um Spitfire yeah and that that that had

 

0:43:31.400,0:43:35.400

that on there that pup screams on there

 

0:43:33.599,0:43:38.480

and the first C I ever killed with that

 

0:43:35.400,0:43:41.040

was to that pup screams really what had

 

0:43:38.480,0:43:43.280

you been had you been rabbit calling or

 

0:43:41.040,0:43:45.640

or anything before that or was you just

 

0:43:43.280,0:43:47.800

running vocals and one came in or how

 

0:43:45.640,0:43:50.760

did that play

 

0:43:47.800,0:43:52.480

out I remember I I was down by the river

 

0:43:50.760,0:43:54.720

and I was calling a bunch you know I'd

 

0:43:52.480,0:43:56.680

been calling a lot and the last thing I

 

0:43:54.720,0:43:58.559

played was pup scream

 

0:43:56.680,0:44:01.319

yep i' had been playing pup screams and

 

0:43:58.559,0:44:02.839

that cat came in it was real thick stuff

 

0:44:01.319,0:44:04.520

and he slipped in right in front of me

 

0:44:02.839,0:44:06.400

and I I didn't even see him there I was

 

0:44:04.520,0:44:08.520

getting ready to call the stand and get

 

0:44:06.400,0:44:10.359

up and I was about to put the rifle on

 

0:44:08.520,0:44:13.240

safety and I looked up and that cat was

 

0:44:10.359,0:44:16.599

like almost like a bird dog on point

 

0:44:13.240,0:44:19.640

pointing yeah looking at that um call

 

0:44:16.599,0:44:21.319

yep and then I just shot that thing but

 

0:44:19.640,0:44:24.280

um on those other ones it was back to

 

0:44:21.319,0:44:27.880

back I think it was um I want to say pup

 

0:44:24.280,0:44:30.880

distress three yep yep I called one in

 

0:44:27.880,0:44:32.240

that came in from behind me and then I

 

0:44:30.880,0:44:33.800

followed that through I think it was

 

0:44:32.240,0:44:37.119

pound and then I had another one come in

 

0:44:33.800,0:44:38.680

from the front really but I've been

 

0:44:37.119,0:44:42.040

hunting him for a long time and I've

 

0:44:38.680,0:44:44.960

never had a hunt I've never had a bobcat

 

0:44:42.040,0:44:47.960

hunt that productive so all all four of

 

0:44:44.960,0:44:51.119

those cats you called them in on a on a

 

0:44:47.960,0:44:52.760

pup distress or no no now I think one of

 

0:44:51.119,0:44:54.640

the other ones was I I was doing some

 

0:44:52.760,0:44:57.359

other sounds in there but I know those

 

0:44:54.640,0:44:59.839

two that I killed the double stand pup

 

0:44:57.359,0:45:03.400

distress Y and I think um the other one

 

0:44:59.839,0:45:06.440

was with um kitten distress they like

 

0:45:03.400,0:45:08.559

that too yep well Tory was talking about

 

0:45:06.440,0:45:10.400

Tory there early and I've earlier and

 

0:45:08.559,0:45:13.280

I've actually tried this a little bit

 

0:45:10.400,0:45:14.760

here lately just haven't Leed with it or

 

0:45:13.280,0:45:16.559

nothing like that it's almost like at

 

0:45:14.760,0:45:20.000

the end of a stand just kind of testing

 

0:45:16.559,0:45:21.880

it but he actually uh recorded some baby

 

0:45:20.000,0:45:24.040

bobcats this year so he's got a couple

 

0:45:21.880,0:45:26.480

bobcat sounds and one of them is like a

 

0:45:24.040,0:45:28.640

bobcat kitten distress

 

0:45:26.480,0:45:30.440

and it sounds really good it sounds

 

0:45:28.640,0:45:31.960

really good so I've played that a little

 

0:45:30.440,0:45:32.880

bit I haven't had anything come to it

 

0:45:31.960,0:45:34.599

yet but like I said I haven't really

 

0:45:32.880,0:45:37.599

given it a fair chance yeah I need to

 

0:45:34.599,0:45:39.200

just go in somewhere or and lead with it

 

0:45:37.599,0:45:40.480

or play it in the middle of a stand I've

 

0:45:39.200,0:45:42.319

always kind of like played it towards

 

0:45:40.480,0:45:44.839

the end when I think nothing's coming

 

0:45:42.319,0:45:46.359

anyway type thing so it's pretty

 

0:45:44.839,0:45:48.240

interesting I bet you call a cat in on

 

0:45:46.359,0:45:50.079

that for sure I know he's tested it a

 

0:45:48.240,0:45:53.119

little bit down home he's killed some

 

0:45:50.079,0:45:54.920

coyes to it I'm cheating here I got

 

0:45:53.119,0:45:57.280

remember remote but you got a baby

 

0:45:54.920,0:45:59.319

bobcat C kitten but the one that I like

 

0:45:57.280,0:46:01.599

is that kitten distress there's a kitten

 

0:45:59.319,0:46:03.319

cries crying kittens and the distressed

 

0:46:01.599,0:46:04.880

kittens but the one that that I found

 

0:46:03.319,0:46:07.400

really productive is that kitten

 

0:46:04.880,0:46:09.200

distress okay okay that's pretty

 

0:46:07.400,0:46:11.359

interesting you're talking about the the

 

0:46:09.200,0:46:12.960

KY them coming to the KY vocals I've

 

0:46:11.359,0:46:14.720

actually had them come in while playing

 

0:46:12.960,0:46:16.800

like a pup distress or a fight towards

 

0:46:14.720,0:46:18.240

the end but I'd been playing a lot of

 

0:46:16.800,0:46:20.400

rabbit I always kind of said well they

 

0:46:18.240,0:46:21.760

was coming to the rabbit and I didn't

 

0:46:20.400,0:46:24.000

give him enough time to get there and

 

0:46:21.760,0:46:27.359

I'd already moved on to trying to drag a

 

0:46:24.000,0:46:28.079

coyote in you know but uh I'd say I mean

 

0:46:27.359,0:46:30.960

I

 

0:46:28.079,0:46:32.960

mean they usually have the bluff on a ky

 

0:46:30.960,0:46:35.160

so they're not the least bit scar scared

 

0:46:32.960,0:46:36.880

of no they're not no they're not at all

 

0:46:35.160,0:46:38.440

you I used to think that too don't don't

 

0:46:36.880,0:46:40.200

do coyote vocals and all if you're gonna

 

0:46:38.440,0:46:41.640

go out and Target cats you know lay off

 

0:46:40.200,0:46:43.119

the coyote vocals and stuff it don't

 

0:46:41.640,0:46:45.280

affect him at all sometimes I think it

 

0:46:43.119,0:46:49.040

even brings him in those those whimpers

 

0:46:45.280,0:46:50.000

and stuff right right well you know her

 

0:46:49.040,0:46:51.720

been that's

 

0:46:50.000,0:46:53.400

what go ahead that's what I've been

 

0:46:51.720,0:46:56.839

finding a lot of luck here here recently

 

0:46:53.400,0:46:58.559

too is wimers really yeah yeah yeah

 

0:46:56.839,0:47:01.800

that's been my sequence for the last few

 

0:46:58.559,0:47:03.400

weeks is that submissive whimpers well

 

0:47:01.800,0:47:05.200

tell us your sequence here what you've

 

0:47:03.400,0:47:07.559

been running lately and having success

 

0:47:05.200,0:47:09.319

with how what what have you been kind of

 

0:47:07.559,0:47:11.800

if if you don't mind telling us tell

 

0:47:09.319,0:47:14.680

tell us a secret here maybe help a

 

0:47:11.800,0:47:17.559

listener out and they go tag a extra C

 

0:47:14.680,0:47:23.079

or two here next

 

0:47:17.559,0:47:25.960

week oh um I've been cheating here I got

 

0:47:23.079,0:47:28.680

my remote open a nothing wrong with that

 

0:47:25.960,0:47:31.480

this way keep stay on track that way I'm

 

0:47:28.680,0:47:34.119

looking here you know and I U the one

 

0:47:31.480,0:47:35.000

I've really been liking here is um it's

 

0:47:34.119,0:47:37.920

called

 

0:47:35.000,0:47:41.559

female let it scroll over female

 

0:47:37.920,0:47:43.000

invitation to and coyote sorow what I've

 

0:47:41.559,0:47:46.200

been doing I've been going out there and

 

0:47:43.000,0:47:48.000

I've been letting that play I've been

 

0:47:46.200,0:47:50.480

I'll put pauses in it you know I'll let

 

0:47:48.000,0:47:52.960

it play a few series of it and I'll put

 

0:47:50.480,0:47:55.280

pauses in it and I let a few more series

 

0:47:52.960,0:47:56.359

go and I'll put pauses in them and then

 

0:47:55.280,0:48:01.079

um

 

0:47:56.359,0:48:03.920

C this this mfk submissive wines yep yep

 

0:48:01.079,0:48:05.400

that's one of my favorite sound I like I

 

0:48:03.920,0:48:07.800

like that I mean because you can break

 

0:48:05.400,0:48:08.920

that sound up you can hit Paws in there

 

0:48:07.800,0:48:12.920

you can put that and you can make it

 

0:48:08.920,0:48:15.240

sound really really subtle yep and a lot

 

0:48:12.920,0:48:17.720

of times too if I hear them coyotes how

 

0:48:15.240,0:48:19.680

and you can look at the terrain like

 

0:48:17.720,0:48:21.480

satellite imagery and you can see this

 

0:48:19.680,0:48:23.640

small group of there's a little Pond

 

0:48:21.480,0:48:25.280

there's a little small group of cover or

 

0:48:23.640,0:48:27.480

something you hear them coyotes over

 

0:48:25.280,0:48:28.839

there get your blood pump and you get up

 

0:48:27.480,0:48:30.800

there close to them and you know they're

 

0:48:28.839,0:48:33.680

close yep you know I'll start out with

 

0:48:30.800,0:48:35.480

that oh yeah really slow and I they'll

 

0:48:33.680,0:48:37.640

come right into that

 

0:48:35.480,0:48:38.839

sometimes but usually that that's

 

0:48:37.640,0:48:40.880

usually what I

 

0:48:38.839,0:48:42.240

do I don't know how to explain I've

 

0:48:40.880,0:48:44.440

never heard anyone say it like this but

 

0:48:42.240,0:48:46.400

I try to put my sound out there in

 

0:48:44.440,0:48:48.559

layers y you know I'm trying to throw

 

0:48:46.400,0:48:49.920

that sound out there further you know

 

0:48:48.559,0:48:50.920

it's almost like when you're fishing you

 

0:48:49.920,0:48:52.319

know every time you throw a different

 

0:48:50.920,0:48:53.880

sound it's like a cast but sometimes

 

0:48:52.319,0:48:55.640

I'll throw that sound out there trying

 

0:48:53.880,0:48:59.280

to reach out there a further distance

 

0:48:55.640,0:49:01.839

you know and Y but I'm always I'm always

 

0:48:59.280,0:49:04.400

usually have some kind of sound playing

 

0:49:01.839,0:49:06.079

even if it's Coes or at a low volume in

 

0:49:04.400,0:49:07.559

case I've got something coming in that I

 

0:49:06.079,0:49:10.079

don't see that's committed you know I

 

0:49:07.559,0:49:12.040

want to keep its attention but I don't

 

0:49:10.079,0:49:14.559

want that sound out there being thrown

 

0:49:12.040,0:49:16.040

way out there at that coyote that's

 

0:49:14.559,0:49:18.319

sitting in there that's not triggered

 

0:49:16.040,0:49:19.760

yet right no yeah it makes that's my

 

0:49:18.319,0:49:21.839

that's just my that's just my thought

 

0:49:19.760,0:49:23.400

process you know you know a lot of

 

0:49:21.839,0:49:25.960

people say a lot of people sit there and

 

0:49:23.400,0:49:27.280

they say well you know they don't all

 

0:49:25.960,0:49:28.839

that you know you know you hear people

 

0:49:27.280,0:49:29.960

thought well I try to tell the story oh

 

0:49:28.839,0:49:32.280

you don't need to do that it's like

 

0:49:29.960,0:49:33.720

pulling the wheel on a slot machine you

 

0:49:32.280,0:49:35.359

know you just throw a different sound

 

0:49:33.720,0:49:37.480

different sound well you can do that too

 

0:49:35.359,0:49:40.240

by telling a story that's that's right

 

0:49:37.480,0:49:41.280

don't it doesn't hurt you know do that

 

0:49:40.240,0:49:43.040

sometimes in my head you know I'm

 

0:49:41.280,0:49:45.920

picturing this scenario going on in

 

0:49:43.040,0:49:48.640

front of me you know that like right now

 

0:49:45.920,0:49:50.079

you have picture a female coyote and

 

0:49:48.640,0:49:53.119

heat for the first time you know and

 

0:49:50.079,0:49:56.920

another KY running up there trying to

 

0:49:53.119,0:49:59.720

breed it right right playing grab when

 

0:49:56.920,0:50:02.200

to cuss grab grab but or whatever well

 

0:49:59.720,0:50:03.960

you know it progresses on after that

 

0:50:02.200,0:50:05.480

right you know you made a great point

 

0:50:03.960,0:50:06.960

there about you know some people you

 

0:50:05.480,0:50:08.559

know you like try some people try to

 

0:50:06.960,0:50:10.000

tell a story and some people says don't

 

0:50:08.559,0:50:12.319

do you don't have to do that and you

 

0:50:10.000,0:50:16.400

know it's it's not that deep of a

 

0:50:12.319,0:50:19.880

situation but you know there's many many

 

0:50:16.400,0:50:22.359

right ways to call in aout there's also

 

0:50:19.880,0:50:24.359

many wrong ways to do it as well mess up

 

0:50:22.359,0:50:26.359

but there's a lot you know if there's a

 

0:50:24.359,0:50:29.000

certain style of calling that works for

 

0:50:26.359,0:50:30.520

you use it I mean if you're having good

 

0:50:29.000,0:50:32.280

luck with it do it whether it's telling

 

0:50:30.520,0:50:34.359

a story whether it's just randomly

 

0:50:32.280,0:50:36.880

hitting sounds or whatever like I said

 

0:50:34.359,0:50:38.240

there's many right ways to call in a c

 

0:50:36.880,0:50:40.040

and I always find that interesting when

 

0:50:38.240,0:50:42.000

you see those arguments take place and

 

0:50:40.040,0:50:43.920

you're like well both y'all's killing

 

0:50:42.000,0:50:46.119

cows both of you is calling them in so

 

0:50:43.920,0:50:48.960

neither one of you is wrong both of you

 

0:50:46.119,0:50:51.400

is right there's no sense arguing over

 

0:50:48.960,0:50:52.760

it no I won't argue with nothing on that

 

0:50:51.400,0:50:56.359

I want to stay green and remain

 

0:50:52.760,0:50:59.440

teachable that's exactly right well put

 

0:50:56.359,0:51:01.520

you they'll never yeah always learning I

 

0:50:59.440,0:51:04.720

know I'm still G to make mistakes

 

0:51:01.520,0:51:07.200

so well I got a we're we're starting to

 

0:51:04.720,0:51:09.839

wind down here running out of time I got

 

0:51:07.200,0:51:12.520

just a handful of just quick hit

 

0:51:09.839,0:51:15.160

questions for you here just to see uh

 

0:51:12.520,0:51:17.359

See Your no right or wrong answers here

 

0:51:15.160,0:51:19.839

just personal preference but if you call

 

0:51:17.359,0:51:22.520

in a bobcat and a Cy at the same time

 

0:51:19.839,0:51:24.559

which one you shooting

 

0:51:22.520,0:51:26.160

first nowadays I'm going to go ahead and

 

0:51:24.559,0:51:27.559

shoot that coyot

 

0:51:26.160,0:51:30.240

so years ago it might have been the

 

0:51:27.559,0:51:32.400

Bobcat huh yeah years ago it would have

 

0:51:30.240,0:51:34.720

been a bobcat

 

0:51:32.400,0:51:36.160

but what about this you say you steal

 

0:51:34.720,0:51:39.359

deer hunt a little bit say if you're

 

0:51:36.160,0:51:41.680

deer hunting and a Coy comes out you

 

0:51:39.359,0:51:44.200

shooting a Coy or does it get a

 

0:51:41.680,0:51:46.119

pass oh I'm gonna shoot that c you know

 

0:51:44.200,0:51:48.200

I'll tell you one story about this there

 

0:51:46.119,0:51:49.880

was people say we mess up your HT there

 

0:51:48.200,0:51:52.359

was one morning I was up there rifle

 

0:51:49.880,0:51:54.839

hunting and I shot a Kyo early in the

 

0:51:52.359,0:51:56.640

morning and I hunted till it was time to

 

0:51:54.839,0:51:59.760

get down and I was hunting a big Sand

 

0:51:56.640,0:52:01.359

Ridge on a on a enclosed stand and I

 

0:51:59.760,0:52:02.520

shot that coyote if I wouldn't have shot

 

0:52:01.359,0:52:05.000

that coyote I wouldn't have got this

 

0:52:02.520,0:52:06.839

deer because as soon as I got done to

 

0:52:05.000,0:52:08.720

hunt I would have went straight down

 

0:52:06.839,0:52:10.640

that Hill down the trail back to the

 

0:52:08.720,0:52:12.359

truck but instead I had to Crest that

 

0:52:10.640,0:52:14.079

hill to go get that coyot and when I was

 

0:52:12.359,0:52:16.000

cresting that hill to get that here

 

0:52:14.079,0:52:17.760

comes a hot DG running out and a buck

 

0:52:16.000,0:52:20.960

was following with it yeah and I got

 

0:52:17.760,0:52:23.240

that deer because I shot that coye good

 

0:52:20.960,0:52:25.440

stuff good stuff well me ask you it

 

0:52:23.240,0:52:28.400

don't mess it up it don't mess it up man

 

0:52:25.440,0:52:31.319

right right right let's say uh let's say

 

0:52:28.400,0:52:34.240

you're walking into a coyote stand you

 

0:52:31.319,0:52:36.799

spot a coyote out in the open he's in

 

0:52:34.240,0:52:38.760

range where you can just pick him off

 

0:52:36.799,0:52:40.280

are you shooting him or you going to try

 

0:52:38.760,0:52:41.160

to get set up and see if you can't call

 

0:52:40.280,0:52:43.839

him

 

0:52:41.160,0:52:47.240

in if he's look range I'm just gonna

 

0:52:43.839,0:52:50.040

shoot yeah most the farmers I'm just

 

0:52:47.240,0:52:52.200

trying to get rid of him for right it's

 

0:52:50.040,0:52:54.839

the main the main objective is to get

 

0:52:52.200,0:52:57.040

that Coy kill for him yeah I got a bipod

 

0:52:54.839,0:52:58.799

on my guy G specifically for that and

 

0:52:57.040,0:53:00.599

people say why do you have a tri bipod

 

0:52:58.799,0:53:04.000

when you put it on a tripod well that's

 

0:53:00.599,0:53:06.599

why there's the answer to that and a

 

0:53:04.000,0:53:08.599

there all right what's you what's your

 

0:53:06.599,0:53:10.520

what's your favorite

 

0:53:08.599,0:53:14.040

caliber

 

0:53:10.520,0:53:16.400

22250 my man I agree with you I'm a 22

 

0:53:14.040,0:53:17.839

250 guy myself so I usually go through

 

0:53:16.400,0:53:19.280

this whole spill with a lot of them so

 

0:53:17.839,0:53:21.079

you know if you dropped off on a

 

0:53:19.280,0:53:23.400

deserted island or whatever and you had

 

0:53:21.079,0:53:25.960

one bullet we know we already know 22

 

0:53:23.400,0:53:27.799

250 so it's good stuff watch what fox

 

0:53:25.960,0:53:31.280

Pro unit you running right

 

0:53:27.799,0:53:34.720

now the x24 what you think about

 

0:53:31.280,0:53:36.359

it oh man that thing is it's the best

 

0:53:34.720,0:53:38.440

call I've ran you know before that you

 

0:53:36.359,0:53:41.880

know I was really set on the fusion I

 

0:53:38.440,0:53:44.000

mean I that was that was a solid call

 

0:53:41.880,0:53:45.559

but I mean the thing that that's really

 

0:53:44.000,0:53:47.319

made the biggest difference on that is

 

0:53:45.559,0:53:48.839

that stand on there you know I can set

 

0:53:47.319,0:53:51.240

it on there before I was carrying her I

 

0:53:48.839,0:53:52.640

was I was carrying around a little stool

 

0:53:51.240,0:53:54.480

I was car I was carrying around a little

 

0:53:52.640,0:53:55.839

stool and I was setting that Fusion up

 

0:53:54.480,0:53:58.079

on

 

0:53:55.839,0:53:59.760

yeah yeah and also had I had 550

 

0:53:58.079,0:54:01.119

paracord tied to the handle and it

 

0:53:59.760,0:54:04.079

wasn't to carry it it was so I could

 

0:54:01.119,0:54:07.079

hang it on fences and stuff

 

0:54:04.079,0:54:08.559

just but that that x24 I mean you can

 

0:54:07.079,0:54:09.920

that you can hang that on fences you can

 

0:54:08.559,0:54:12.880

hang in the brush and I mean it's just

 

0:54:09.920,0:54:14.760

the right height yep that stand is

 

0:54:12.880,0:54:17.040

versatile I don't think many people take

 

0:54:14.760,0:54:18.480

advantage of it like like they should I

 

0:54:17.040,0:54:19.760

mean there's a lot of people that does

 

0:54:18.480,0:54:22.240

but you hear a lot of people you know

 

0:54:19.760,0:54:23.480

like you see them put them on tripods is

 

0:54:22.240,0:54:25.559

stuff I'm like why you got it on that

 

0:54:23.480,0:54:27.720

tripod put it you know use that stand to

 

0:54:25.559,0:54:29.240

do something the thing is it'll be on a

 

0:54:27.720,0:54:32.200

tripod but it won't be any taller than

 

0:54:29.240,0:54:35.079

what the stand is so you know I'm like

 

0:54:32.200,0:54:37.720

what are what's going on here but I hey

 

0:54:35.079,0:54:39.200

the x24 is small and compact too yeah

 

0:54:37.720,0:54:40.920

you that's that's why went with the

 

0:54:39.200,0:54:42.119

shock wave because it's a carrying issue

 

0:54:40.920,0:54:44.760

and stuff you know I wanted to keep

 

0:54:42.119,0:54:46.799

something small and then the fusion it's

 

0:54:44.760,0:54:49.240

like the same takeoff of what the

 

0:54:46.799,0:54:52.440

Firestorm yep yep same

 

0:54:49.240,0:54:54.880

housing than the remote you know like a

 

0:54:52.440,0:54:57.240

tank yep yeah they're tough units yeah

 

0:54:54.880,0:54:59.079

that's for sure well Jeremy you got

 

0:54:57.240,0:55:02.720

anything that you'd like to leave us

 

0:54:59.079,0:55:02.720

with before we before we hop off

 

0:55:02.880,0:55:09.720

here uh really get out there and put

 

0:55:07.040,0:55:11.720

some tread wear on your boots make it

 

0:55:09.720,0:55:13.400

happen I mean I don't know if you're new

 

0:55:11.720,0:55:15.040

getting into the coyo hunting these days

 

0:55:13.400,0:55:16.960

man you got the information Super

 

0:55:15.040,0:55:19.559

Highway out here now you know I wish I

 

0:55:16.960,0:55:22.079

had the information that's available now

 

0:55:19.559,0:55:25.400

to Kyo Hunters right picking it up you

 

0:55:22.079,0:55:27.079

know but there's nothing that's gonna

 

0:55:25.400,0:55:29.400

learn you more than making mistakes and

 

0:55:27.079,0:55:30.880

experience and getting boot boot wear on

 

0:55:29.400,0:55:32.119

your Treads you can have all the

 

0:55:30.880,0:55:35.400

knowledge in the world but if you don't

 

0:55:32.119,0:55:37.520

apply it and make mistakes that's y The

 

0:55:35.400,0:55:39.680

Experience come from that's that's good

 

0:55:37.520,0:55:41.160

stuff yeah we uh it sound like me and

 

0:55:39.680,0:55:42.880

you started out pretty similar I didn't

 

0:55:41.160,0:55:44.920

have anybody teach me how to do it it

 

0:55:42.880,0:55:47.720

was just from all from experience

 

0:55:44.920,0:55:50.880

getting out turn trying it made a ton of

 

0:55:47.720,0:55:53.119

mistakes still make ton of mistakes but

 

0:55:50.880,0:55:55.559

hey that's what this podcast is is is

 

0:55:53.119,0:55:58.880

about the videos we put out and thing is

 

0:55:55.559,0:56:00.359

to help shorten those learning curves

 

0:55:58.880,0:56:02.839

for all you newcomers out there and

 

0:56:00.359,0:56:05.760

hopefully this stuff is uh entertaining

 

0:56:02.839,0:56:07.119

for for everyone else as well but Jeremy

 

0:56:05.760,0:56:09.520

we appreciate you coming on here buddy I

 

0:56:07.119,0:56:11.160

know you've been busy I know uh you know

 

0:56:09.520,0:56:13.599

I I appreciate you taking a time out of

 

0:56:11.160,0:56:16.599

your day and and hopping on here for a

 

0:56:13.599,0:56:19.200

few minutes yeah yeah yeah it was an

 

0:56:16.599,0:56:21.000

honor well good deal we hope everyone

 

0:56:19.200,0:56:23.039

has enjoyed this episode we hope you

 

0:56:21.000,0:56:26.039

join us again right here on the fox Pro

 

0:56:23.039,0:56:26.039

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