FOXPRO's Jon Collins talks turkey hunting tactics with the host of "Struttin in the Bluegrass" Bo McGuffey.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls hello
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everyone I'm John Collins welcome back
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to the fox Pro podcast on this episode
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we're talking turkey and we welcome back
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Mr Bo McGuffy of strutting in the
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Bluegrass what's going on Bo you doing
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all right doing good how about you all
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doing doing good uh I said you know
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we're gonna be talking turkey we know we
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have our annual uh turkey hunting uh
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podcast on here with you actually when I
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say annual just going to be the second
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one we ain't been doing the podcast all
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that long but uh I'm sure you're getting
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fired up for turkey season I'm fired up
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and I know you all haven't done them a
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real long time it looks like you guys
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you boys are crushing the podcast game
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right now yeah yeah it's it's it's took
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off really well of course uh uh our
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definitely our main crowd is is a
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predator hunting crowd but I know
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there's a lot of Predator Hunters out
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there or turkey hunters as well so
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hopefully you guys enjoy this podcast
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we're going to cover you know cover
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pretty much everything turkey we might
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tell some uh turkey hunting stories on
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here for this podcast and we're going to
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go over some tips on uh decoy placement
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uh tips for running and gunning uh
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scouting for turkeys all that type of
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stuff so hopefully we keep it
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entertaining for you guys and also
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educational as well um you know might be
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somebody in here you know listening it's
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kind of looking for a tip that can help
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them you know tag them extra long beard
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this season maybe uh you you can take
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something away from this podcast and be
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able to get that done but Bo if you
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don't care real quick just uh refresh us
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on uh on your show the strut in the
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Bluegrass show just real briefly yeah so
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U it's through the Kentucky Department
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of Fish and Wildlife and it's you know
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Kentucky par fish wild I strutting in
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the Bluegrass and uh it's the fifth year
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that uh that we've hosted the show and
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of course you know you were the first
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two years as as the main host and the uh
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and you stepped in your role of fox Pro
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and so now it's crazy that uh I remember
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that first year when you made the move
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and uh I talked to them and they were
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saying you know we'd like you to do one
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year we you know we plan on doing it
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three years so we'd like you just to
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fill in for a year and and I thought
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yeah I can handle that and and heck
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we're three years later we're still
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doing it so it's it's pretty neat and uh
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the way the show works is it's the this
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year we're doing five days uh so it's
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the first five days of ky's General
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turkey season and so we fil them each
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day and put a hunt up that night and of
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course we'll film youth weekend as well
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which is the the weekend before our
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season here opens in Kentucky and uh so
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it's it's pretty neat it's it's it's a
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little hectic trying to do those shows
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in that quick time frame but but it's
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neat u in the Facebook lives we go on
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there and people interact and see what
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everybody's doing around the state what
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they're hearing and seeing so so far
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it's been it's been a really good show
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yep yep it's a it's a pretty cool show
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it's worth tuning in you guys can catch
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that on Kentucky Department of fishing
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wildy Facebook page or Instagram page uh
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and her YouTube as well like B said I I
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actually co-hosted that show with Bo the
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first two seasons of its existence but
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one constant of the show has always been
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Fox Pro turkey calls and that's one
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thing that a lot of people don't realize
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they everybody thankss of us for coyote
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calls you know predator calls coyot
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Bobcat Fox and all that stuff we have a
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full lineup of turkey calls we've got
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several different combo packs mouth
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diaphragms we've got an awesome friction
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call lineup we got two different box
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calls and we've got what we call the
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honey pot series it's it's a pot a a
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friction call Pot calls you know slate
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calls we got a honey pot slate we got a
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ceramic which is new for this year uh
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we've got Crystal uh copper and we also
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have a two-sided C
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friction call called The Bitter Suite
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where it's glass on top and then slate
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on the bottom it's an excellent
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excellent excellent lineup and I'll put
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these turkey calls up against against
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anybody's in the world I'm telling you
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they're that good just a lot of people
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don't think of fox Pro when it comes to
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turkey hunting and turkey calls but we
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got an awesome lineup of turkey calls
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you guys need to check out Bo just uh if
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you don't care tell us tell us a couple
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of your favorites that you've run over
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the last uh last several years well I
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mean heck going on what you just said I
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remember John when we first started the
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show and you said Fox proo was the
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sponsor and I'll admitted I didn't even
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know Fox Pro really made turkey calls
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and even I was a little skeptical and I
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was blown away from day one at the
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quality of of the calls and that's what
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I tell people I mean no one disputes the
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quality of the predator calls and I said
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listen it's the same it's the same
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quality going into those turkey calls
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and it's just as good a product um over
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the years the crystal as far as a
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friction the crystal was always my
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favorite
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but now I have to say I think it's going
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to become second because I've been uh
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running the the ceramic the new ceramic
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friction call is I I love it so far of
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course I haven't got to used on a turkey
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right but just running it in the
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basement sounds awesome and then the
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diaphragms man
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the the wide V cut has always been my
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all-time favorite um and it actually
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comes in a combo pack that that has um I
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think the other one's a strut cut I
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think is what it's called It's the Go
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the ghost spur combo pack ghost spur
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combo pack I always love that one and
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then there was a a back a backwing the
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green backwing was always one of my
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favorites I always love that and I like
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a Batwing cut and uh and then of course
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this year with the new ones the uh what
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I've loved so far and I'm probably gonna
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pronounce it wrong John is the the heus
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hen Han heus hen heus he baby
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heus uh but it's uh I think it was the
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spur taker combo pack I think is what it
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is yeah it's we actually have two new
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combo packs out for this year one of
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them's a Spur Taker and and the other's
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the beard Taker and that that heinous
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hen is in the spur taker pack and it
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what it is is a modified it's a modified
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batwing cut it's awing cut yeah and it's
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so and I'll say you know usually you buy
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pack and let's just be honest usually
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there's one you know sometimes you open
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you you only like one of them out of I
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every call in that pack I really really
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like but that that heinous hen man
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that's that's a good sounding that's a
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good sounding call and as far as right
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now I plan on running it a bunch this
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year you you'll like it we've actually
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these two combo packs and I'm not trying
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to turn this into an infom mer on you
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guys we'll get to the turkey hunting
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pretty quick here but uh these are worth
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mentioning cuz I know you guys are going
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to love them but these besides for the
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heinous hen which is a modified batwing
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cut and this spur taker pack the other
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two two diaphrams in this pack are
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absolute money as well my personal F I
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love I love that heinous hen as well
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that batwing but my personal favorite is
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actually uh what they call the hypnotic
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hen it's a it's kind of almost like a
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half moon cutter style call it's it's
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actually what we would call a modified
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combo cut uh it it is it's money I mean
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it is really good and then Bo was
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talking about that ghost spur combo pack
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he like the wide V cut well this spur
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taker Pack's got a v cut in it as well
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it's a modified V cut all three of these
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are awesome diaphragms and then of
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course the beard taker combo packs got
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some really nice diaphragms in it as
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well but this spur taker combo pack is
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definitely a standout to me um we tested
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these D these two combo packs we
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actually tested these for the last two
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Springs getting everything just right
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before we release them so they're brand
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new for 2024 we've already piled up tons
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of turkeys if you watch any of our
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turkey footage from the last couple
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years these calls are being used now
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that ceramic Honeypot call we tested did
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it all last spring you was talking about
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you ain't got to use in the woods yet Bo
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you going you GNA like it because let me
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tell you the gobblers sure like it they
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like it it's I'm telling you and that's
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I mean honestly the that that diaphragm
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pack we just talked about the spur Taker
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and that ceramic what I would tell
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people no joke is that they're so easy
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to use they're not hard the diaphragms
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are not hard to blow they're easy to
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work and that ceramic man it don't take
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nothing to make to get a good sound and
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turkey call out out of out of that call
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right yeah that's that's kind of the
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thing with this uh spur taker pack and
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and the beard taker pack we want to come
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out with a set of diaphragms that does
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it all from soft cing you know those
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soft little tree ups and purs that you
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need to do right early right on the
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roost and then when it's time to get
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nasty with them you know cut at them
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hard you can run and get a lot of volume
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with them as well I mean they just do it
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all so pretty good stuff new for 2024
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you can find all these at go Fox pro.com
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if you need some turkey calls please
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check them out I guarantee you'll like
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them so Bo let's get to the let's get to
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the turkey hunting all right I'm ready
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let's talk about something that uh that
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I think is extremely important and that
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is turkey scouting scouting for turkeys
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yep pre-season leading up to the season
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and I can I mean I'm a huge believer and
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I think that'll make her break your
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season tell us about how important
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turkey scouting is for to be
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successful oh I think it's I agree with
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you 100% And you know as much as you and
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I have hunted together over the years
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you know both of us believe so much in
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Scout and for one both of us enjoy just
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being out listening to turkeys watching
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turkeys and uh but but a lot of hunters
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that I know you know they don't go out
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before season they go to their spots
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that they've hunted for years and um and
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sometimes that's fine and sometimes that
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works but they don't know what the birds
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are doing and with with the scouting
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part is what I think is is you can you
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can find where birds are comfortable and
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I've always said remember you know old
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turkey hunters remember we was coming up
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would say you know it's easier to call a
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turkey to where he wants to be than
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somewhere he don't want to be exactly
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and the thing that I that is so
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important to me when I Scout is I want
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to know where that Bird's comfortable at
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is it is there a certain corner of a
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field that he likes is there a certain
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hardwood Ridge that he likes is there
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when he flies down like it's one thing
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to hear a bird on the roost but is there
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a certain point you know does he go a
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certain direction when he flies down in
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the morning it could be a bird roosting
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on you know head of a holler and he
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likes to pitch out One Direction every
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day well if you're the other way more
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than likely you ain't gonna kill that
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turkey and and so I think that's where
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the scouting comes in huge is it just
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gives you a little you know just a
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little head start on what that bird
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likes to do and it puts you it puts you
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in a much easier spot uh and and like I
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said I firmly believe you you know where
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a turkey wants to be or where it wants
0:11:09.000,0:11:13.959
to go he's twice as easy to call in and
0:11:11.680,0:11:15.880
kill oh exactly and just like you said
0:11:13.959,0:11:18.120
gives you a head start you know if you
0:11:15.880,0:11:20.399
do some preseason Scout I like how I
0:11:18.120,0:11:21.560
like to scout I like listening for Birds
0:11:20.399,0:11:23.839
you know that's of course that's the
0:11:21.560,0:11:25.279
first step listen to them off the roost
0:11:23.839,0:11:26.839
uh listen to them where they you know
0:11:25.279,0:11:28.040
where they fly off to listen to them you
0:11:26.839,0:11:30.360
know they're going to Gob a little bit
0:11:28.040,0:11:31.360
there as well listen for that and then
0:11:30.360,0:11:32.720
of course get out there and get to
0:11:31.360,0:11:35.720
glassing I'm always kind of just
0:11:32.720,0:11:38.000
scouting from afar so to speak you know
0:11:35.720,0:11:39.279
uh listening from afar and watching from
0:11:38.000,0:11:41.680
afar I don't want to get right in there
0:11:39.279,0:11:44.079
with them you know I want be as far as I
0:11:41.680,0:11:46.639
can away and be and still Scout them
0:11:44.079,0:11:49.480
effectively and this goes for places
0:11:46.639,0:11:50.680
you've even hunted for years absolutely
0:11:49.480,0:11:52.880
because I mean you know you might be
0:11:50.680,0:11:55.240
used to turkeys like to roost in these
0:11:52.880,0:11:57.240
certain little cluster of trees off this
0:11:55.240,0:11:58.680
certain point or head of a drainage or
0:11:57.240,0:11:59.800
something they've done this for years
0:11:58.680,0:12:02.240
you know year after after year after
0:11:59.800,0:12:04.279
year for years well the thing is things
0:12:02.240,0:12:06.000
do change you might find this year that
0:12:04.279,0:12:07.200
you slip in there you're like I ain't
0:12:06.000,0:12:08.600
going to scout there's always birds
0:12:07.200,0:12:10.240
inead of this holler I'll just sit right
0:12:08.600,0:12:11.600
up here on this corner they'll fly right
0:12:10.240,0:12:13.560
out front me and I'll bust one and have
0:12:11.600,0:12:16.360
my first tag fill when you get there and
0:12:13.560,0:12:17.800
sit down you don't hear nothing and all
0:12:16.360,0:12:20.560
a sudden you do hear them but they're
0:12:17.800,0:12:22.240
about you know five or 600 yards away
0:12:20.560,0:12:23.959
where you can just barely pick them up
0:12:22.240,0:12:25.519
then You' got to get up and move and
0:12:23.959,0:12:27.320
then you take the risk of bumping
0:12:25.519,0:12:29.360
bumping a bird and then you just start
0:12:27.320,0:12:31.600
to season off bad so even these plac is
0:12:29.360,0:12:33.600
you've hunted forever a little bit of
0:12:31.600,0:12:35.240
scouting can really pay off even hunting
0:12:33.600,0:12:36.639
them off the root and that's not just
0:12:35.240,0:12:38.440
hunting them off the root you know if
0:12:36.639,0:12:39.920
you do go listen to birds you know where
0:12:38.440,0:12:41.480
they like to roost at you've already got
0:12:39.920,0:12:44.079
a good idea where you need to be setting
0:12:41.480,0:12:45.839
up come open in morning um if you watch
0:12:44.079,0:12:48.320
see where where they like to fly down
0:12:45.839,0:12:49.800
and spend that morning um you know like
0:12:48.320,0:12:51.399
Bo said if you can be in those areas
0:12:49.800,0:12:53.160
they're a lot easier to call them up in
0:12:51.399,0:12:55.959
a spot they want to be than in a spot
0:12:53.160,0:12:57.440
they do not want to be right that's
0:12:55.959,0:12:59.480
right that's absolutely right and like
0:12:57.440,0:13:03.079
you said you hit on something that's so
0:12:59.480,0:13:05.320
important is sometimes you hear people
0:13:03.079,0:13:07.000
people hear scouting and and I think
0:13:05.320,0:13:08.639
almost our brain goes to Deer scouting
0:13:07.000,0:13:11.760
and and people think oh I need to go
0:13:08.639,0:13:13.399
find scratchings and tracks and all this
0:13:11.760,0:13:15.760
stuff which you know in certain
0:13:13.399,0:13:18.880
situations that can be very helpful
0:13:15.760,0:13:21.040
right but but I'm I'm just like you I
0:13:18.880,0:13:23.240
want to keep as much distance between me
0:13:21.040,0:13:25.519
and and those turkeys as I possibly can
0:13:23.240,0:13:27.480
before I go to hun right um so
0:13:25.519,0:13:30.880
listenting from afar and if you have
0:13:27.480,0:13:32.639
Fields available yeah glass and just
0:13:30.880,0:13:34.040
watch and and see what they like to do
0:13:32.639,0:13:35.199
because like you said you don't want to
0:13:34.040,0:13:36.959
get in there and mess with them birds
0:13:35.199,0:13:40.160
and bump them off their pattern right
0:13:36.959,0:13:42.480
yeah I mean and looking for tracks and
0:13:40.160,0:13:44.880
um scratchings and stuff like that yeah
0:13:42.480,0:13:47.600
that that is effective it lets you know
0:13:44.880,0:13:49.680
that there has been turkeys in that area
0:13:47.600,0:13:51.199
at some point right but the thing is and
0:13:49.680,0:13:52.839
they could still be in there but the
0:13:51.199,0:13:54.920
thing is you do take the risk get in
0:13:52.839,0:13:57.040
there and bumping them um which you know
0:13:54.920,0:13:58.839
they'll probably come right back but
0:13:57.040,0:14:01.199
still you're just if you can listen from
0:13:58.839,0:14:03.360
a far and watch from afar you're you're
0:14:01.199,0:14:05.920
lower impact you're not putting any
0:14:03.360,0:14:08.600
pressure at all on these birds and let's
0:14:05.920,0:14:11.120
be frank if you're hearing birds and
0:14:08.600,0:14:12.920
seeing Birds you don't need to see no
0:14:11.120,0:14:14.600
tracks or scratchings you know you got
0:14:12.920,0:14:16.800
Birds to hunt and it gives you pretty
0:14:14.600,0:14:18.079
good idea if you're seeing them and
0:14:16.800,0:14:19.560
you're listening to them it gives you a
0:14:18.079,0:14:22.160
pretty good idea how many birds you've
0:14:19.560,0:14:23.800
actually got on that particular property
0:14:22.160,0:14:25.279
that's right and there you know and one
0:14:23.800,0:14:28.240
other thing that I really pay attention
0:14:25.279,0:14:29.639
to John and I know you do as well is
0:14:28.240,0:14:30.880
when I'm Scout
0:14:29.639,0:14:32.560
okay if I got a property and I know
0:14:30.880,0:14:35.519
there's a couple gobblers using it
0:14:32.560,0:14:38.600
pretty consistent uh especially if I can
0:14:35.519,0:14:40.399
see those bird and watch them I'm wan to
0:14:38.600,0:14:42.440
I'm wan to gauge what type of attitude
0:14:40.399,0:14:44.720
these turkeys have are they are these
0:14:42.440,0:14:46.560
birds dominant or you know is it a
0:14:44.720,0:14:48.320
property that's got a long beard that
0:14:46.560,0:14:50.399
that he's been whipped and he's been
0:14:48.320,0:14:51.720
pushed off and and and he don't want
0:14:50.399,0:14:53.759
another you know he don't want to fight
0:14:51.720,0:14:55.320
another gobler uh and that's going to
0:14:53.759,0:14:57.240
depend on how I approach that turkey
0:14:55.320,0:14:59.519
whenever I go in Honey right you know
0:14:57.240,0:15:01.800
right it's pair of long beers that every
0:14:59.519,0:15:03.759
time you see them see another bird enter
0:15:01.800,0:15:05.199
the field or a jake they run you know
0:15:03.759,0:15:07.320
they they run his tail all over the
0:15:05.199,0:15:08.519
place right you can bet when I go to
0:15:07.320,0:15:11.759
hunt that turkey I'm gonna have me a
0:15:08.519,0:15:13.279
jake decoy right and just the opposite
0:15:11.759,0:15:15.199
if it's a bird that's been run off you
0:15:13.279,0:15:17.759
can tell he's submissive I don't want to
0:15:15.199,0:15:19.959
go in there with a full Strutter and
0:15:17.759,0:15:21.800
potentially you know make him nervous so
0:15:19.959,0:15:23.680
yeah same same difference if you go in
0:15:21.800,0:15:26.079
there you know you got a group of six or
0:15:23.680,0:15:27.759
seven you know Rogue Jakes in there that
0:15:26.079,0:15:29.160
want to whoop up on every gobler in the
0:15:27.759,0:15:30.519
world but you know you got a gobler on
0:15:29.160,0:15:32.160
the place last thing you want to do is
0:15:30.519,0:15:34.319
throw some aggressive looking Jake out
0:15:32.160,0:15:36.199
there on him that's right that's right
0:15:34.319,0:15:38.480
and then like and unless you Scout
0:15:36.199,0:15:40.399
unless you go in there before seasoning
0:15:38.480,0:15:42.480
and learn that stuff you don't know that
0:15:40.399,0:15:43.560
right and like you know going back to
0:15:42.480,0:15:45.959
what you said that's gonna make the
0:15:43.560,0:15:47.959
difference in in feeling a tag and not
0:15:45.959,0:15:49.319
potentially exactly well since you
0:15:47.959,0:15:52.720
brought that since you brought up the
0:15:49.319,0:15:57.600
decoy stuff uh let's go over some decoy
0:15:52.720,0:16:01.480
tactics B what what is a typical decoy
0:15:57.600,0:16:03.639
spread look like for for Bo McGuffy and
0:16:01.480,0:16:05.519
you can give you know give those
0:16:03.639,0:16:07.240
scenarios if you want to like you know
0:16:05.519,0:16:09.000
like you just mentioned with birds
0:16:07.240,0:16:11.720
that's got Jakes that you know where
0:16:09.000,0:16:15.199
Jakes are can be bad in area far as
0:16:11.720,0:16:18.839
being aggressive and vice versa yeah
0:16:15.199,0:16:21.319
well I'd say the most gener most common
0:16:18.839,0:16:23.440
decoy spread you're G to see me use is a
0:16:21.319,0:16:24.639
Jak and two hands if it's you know if
0:16:23.440,0:16:27.079
I'm if I've got a hunt where I don't
0:16:24.639,0:16:30.040
mind packing them uh I got a you know a
0:16:27.079,0:16:33.440
property and usually I'll put a hen on
0:16:30.040,0:16:35.040
the ground uh in front of that Jake and
0:16:33.440,0:16:36.920
then I'm going to take my other hen and
0:16:35.040,0:16:38.199
I'm going to set her usually and I
0:16:36.920,0:16:39.839
didn't always used to do this start
0:16:38.199,0:16:42.040
doing this the last couple years I'll
0:16:39.839,0:16:45.160
start taking the other hen and actually
0:16:42.040,0:16:47.800
setting her to the side maybe 15 20
0:16:45.160,0:16:49.440
yards to be honest yeah and and so
0:16:47.800,0:16:51.880
that's the the most common thing you're
0:16:49.440,0:16:54.480
going to see me do in in first
0:16:51.880,0:16:57.839
meal what I'm trying to do is trying to
0:16:54.480,0:16:59.720
show a jake or or gobler you know a Tom
0:16:57.839,0:17:01.680
that that is about breed a hen that a
0:16:59.720,0:17:04.319
hen is ready to be bred and and
0:17:01.680,0:17:05.720
hopefully you know get get that jealousy
0:17:04.319,0:17:07.600
Factor going if I can get that bird
0:17:05.720,0:17:09.199
coming in he sees it and he wants to
0:17:07.600,0:17:12.679
react to that decoy spread and come in
0:17:09.199,0:17:14.760
and whip the Jake right but I have from
0:17:12.679,0:17:17.559
that spread you know setting that hin
0:17:14.760,0:17:19.039
off to the side that is something you
0:17:17.559,0:17:20.839
know if you watch turkeys enough it's
0:17:19.039,0:17:22.199
something you see honestly you'll see a
0:17:20.839,0:17:24.919
little flock of birds and it seems like
0:17:22.199,0:17:27.079
there's always one hand sort of you know
0:17:24.919,0:17:28.400
just out pecking around sort of off the
0:17:27.079,0:17:29.400
side of the flock so I think it looks
0:17:28.400,0:17:31.080
realistic
0:17:29.400,0:17:34.039
Y and if a bird comes in he don't want
0:17:31.080,0:17:35.799
to fight that Jake I do think it creates
0:17:34.039,0:17:38.480
you know a spot where he feels safe and
0:17:35.799,0:17:42.679
maybe trying to cut that H off so that's
0:17:38.480,0:17:44.919
the most common spread that all run yep
0:17:42.679,0:17:47.720
yep and you know that's that's a type of
0:17:44.919,0:17:51.400
spread that you know you and I have ran
0:17:47.720,0:17:54.520
for long time what 15 years I don't know
0:17:51.400,0:18:00.000
long time long time especially with that
0:17:54.520,0:18:01.679
that Jake and a a single hen and we've
0:18:00.000,0:18:03.200
always liked to take that hen and set
0:18:01.679,0:18:06.640
her on the ground like a breeding
0:18:03.200,0:18:08.960
position out in front um you know just
0:18:06.640,0:18:10.640
like you said last last few years we
0:18:08.960,0:18:12.799
started throwing in that extra hen and
0:18:10.640,0:18:14.640
when we do throw that extra hen we talk
0:18:12.799,0:18:15.960
about uh putting her off to the side
0:18:14.640,0:18:19.640
we're talking about putting her off to
0:18:15.960,0:18:22.960
the side like either left or right of
0:18:19.640,0:18:25.679
the Jake and and breed her hen and like
0:18:22.960,0:18:27.960
10 12 15 steps away and it'd be a
0:18:25.679,0:18:30.679
feeding style hen like B said a lot of
0:18:27.960,0:18:33.280
times you'll see a if it's more of like
0:18:30.679,0:18:35.159
a subordinate type Tom or a Tom that's
0:18:33.280,0:18:36.960
been he might not be subordinate but
0:18:35.159,0:18:39.400
he's just being whooped up too much by
0:18:36.960,0:18:40.960
you know groups of gobblers or whatever
0:18:39.400,0:18:43.000
he might even actually be the biggest
0:18:40.960,0:18:45.000
bird in a bunch but anyway a lot of
0:18:43.000,0:18:47.039
times you'll see him kind of seize up or
0:18:45.000,0:18:49.120
size up at decoy spread and what he'll
0:18:47.039,0:18:51.039
do is you'll see him strut right up to
0:18:49.120,0:18:52.480
that feeder hen you got split off to the
0:18:51.039,0:18:54.480
side that's what he's trying to do he's
0:18:52.480,0:18:56.000
just like trying to rob that hen away
0:18:54.480,0:18:59.480
and I always like to make sure I have
0:18:56.000,0:19:01.120
that feeder feeder hen you know it's got
0:18:59.480,0:19:02.840
to be in shotgun range you don't want to
0:19:01.120,0:19:05.200
put it out there too far cuz that's you
0:19:02.840,0:19:07.320
can find that you might be killing a big
0:19:05.200,0:19:10.320
you know older gobler you're killing off
0:19:07.320,0:19:12.640
that that split off hand and that's and
0:19:10.320,0:19:15.080
too that's a good point putting in range
0:19:12.640,0:19:16.679
and think about how you're set up and
0:19:15.080,0:19:18.039
and how you can swing your shotgun you
0:19:16.679,0:19:20.280
don't want to put it to your weak side
0:19:18.039,0:19:23.280
and get caught where exactly can't get
0:19:20.280,0:19:26.039
swung on the bird uh and one one thing
0:19:23.280,0:19:28.120
and it I've only tried this once so now
0:19:26.039,0:19:29.960
it worked the one time but I might try
0:19:28.120,0:19:33.240
it more this year last year the second
0:19:29.960,0:19:34.960
bird I killed um he was a bird that had
0:19:33.240,0:19:37.559
been ran off from a group of four or
0:19:34.960,0:19:40.280
five gobblers and I knew that but and
0:19:37.559,0:19:42.120
I've got I I can't help it I love decoy
0:19:40.280,0:19:43.360
and turkey so even when I went after him
0:19:42.120,0:19:45.159
I saw him in the field one morning I
0:19:43.360,0:19:47.240
said I'm going after him and I said I'm
0:19:45.159,0:19:50.679
taking this J decoy I don't care because
0:19:47.240,0:19:52.480
I'd love to weap it and but at the same
0:19:50.679,0:19:55.360
time I wanted to kill him so I what I
0:19:52.480,0:19:57.600
decided to do is when I set up I
0:19:55.360,0:19:59.520
actually put the two hens and I set
0:19:57.600,0:20:02.080
these things at like 12 yards in front
0:19:59.520,0:20:03.960
of me I put one hand on the ground and
0:20:02.080,0:20:07.520
the other one is the feeder and I took
0:20:03.960,0:20:10.400
the Jake decoy and actually I left him
0:20:07.520,0:20:13.200
like 20 yards to my left and the gobler
0:20:10.400,0:20:14.720
was to my right yep so I tried to depict
0:20:13.200,0:20:17.799
maybe a little Jake that was sort of
0:20:14.720,0:20:20.080
scared to approach the the hens yep and
0:20:17.799,0:20:21.600
so that gobler he come in he crested the
0:20:20.080,0:20:23.120
heel on the field and he seen the decoys
0:20:21.600,0:20:24.400
and he periscoped he looked and I
0:20:23.120,0:20:27.280
thought well we're going see how this
0:20:24.400,0:20:29.480
works and dude he went into full strut
0:20:27.280,0:20:32.200
and come and come man and actually shot
0:20:29.480,0:20:33.600
him off top of the H decoy yeah um so I
0:20:32.200,0:20:35.440
would you know I don't know he might
0:20:33.600,0:20:38.120
have he might have come in either way I
0:20:35.440,0:20:40.320
don't know but but it was encouraging to
0:20:38.120,0:20:42.120
know that that that Jake decoy didn't
0:20:40.320,0:20:43.919
didn't scare him off but he didn't run
0:20:42.120,0:20:46.360
to it you know what I mean well if he
0:20:43.919,0:20:48.840
was if that Jake was right directly in
0:20:46.360,0:20:50.480
behind your breeder hen or or right up
0:20:48.840,0:20:52.000
close to it he could have just as soon
0:20:50.480,0:20:55.240
as he cred he could have doubled back
0:20:52.000,0:20:57.080
and Boogie out there too exactly exactly
0:20:55.240,0:20:59.240
so so that was something I tried last
0:20:57.080,0:21:02.039
year and and in the right situation I
0:20:59.240,0:21:04.559
will definitely use that again well tell
0:21:02.039,0:21:06.360
me about um you was talking about
0:21:04.559,0:21:10.799
putting those decoys rather close to you
0:21:06.360,0:21:14.240
there say on a u typical textbook style
0:21:10.799,0:21:16.799
setup on a on a goblin bird how are you
0:21:14.240,0:21:18.559
placing your decoys as far as distance
0:21:16.799,0:21:20.200
how far off are you setting them you set
0:21:18.559,0:21:23.200
them to the left right straight in front
0:21:20.200,0:21:25.960
of you how's it how do you look at
0:21:23.200,0:21:28.159
that gosh and I'm I'm probably not a
0:21:25.960,0:21:32.520
good one to talk on this because I like
0:21:28.159,0:21:34.720
them too close if I if I was I I would
0:21:32.520,0:21:36.919
encourage people to put them 25 yards
0:21:34.720,0:21:41.039
especially as good as as good as shotgun
0:21:36.919,0:21:42.799
shoot now um you know you you don't want
0:21:41.039,0:21:45.279
them at 40 yards and a bird hang up at
0:21:42.799,0:21:48.120
20 and have him out there 60 or 70 exact
0:21:45.279,0:21:51.159
I think 25 is a good a good a good range
0:21:48.120,0:21:52.880
to have your decoys personally I do just
0:21:51.159,0:21:54.400
because I think it's so much fun I put
0:21:52.880,0:21:56.039
them a little bit tight and sometimes I
0:21:54.400,0:21:57.080
do it on purpose I go back I I go out
0:21:56.039,0:21:58.679
and put them out and I'll turn around
0:21:57.080,0:22:00.080
and look at my setup I'm like oh that's
0:21:58.679,0:22:03.080
good and then I get out there I'm like K
0:22:00.080,0:22:06.240
them things ain't 15 yards but but but I
0:22:03.080,0:22:09.600
do love I absolutely love it's it's what
0:22:06.240,0:22:11.360
gets me going is is Birds coming in
0:22:09.600,0:22:12.640
there on those decoys and being uptight
0:22:11.360,0:22:14.240
on them and getting to watch you know
0:22:12.640,0:22:15.400
getting to watch turkeys be turkeys and
0:22:14.240,0:22:19.120
hear them drumming and hearing their
0:22:15.400,0:22:21.240
wings drag I do love that part of it um
0:22:19.120,0:22:23.720
but but yeah I'm thinking 25 yards would
0:22:21.240,0:22:25.080
be a good you know a good number and and
0:22:23.720,0:22:26.640
like we talked about earlier you want it
0:22:25.080,0:22:30.000
set up to where you can swing if you
0:22:26.640,0:22:31.240
need to um thank about your strong side
0:22:30.000,0:22:33.840
don't set them up to where you're in a
0:22:31.240,0:22:35.360
bind you know as they approach but also
0:22:33.840,0:22:37.440
you you you need to be in a position
0:22:35.360,0:22:39.520
where if the bird boogers before he gets
0:22:37.440,0:22:41.919
there can you make a shot on it right
0:22:39.520,0:22:44.480
right well you know something else that
0:22:41.919,0:22:46.240
you and I learned early on is if I got a
0:22:44.480,0:22:48.360
bird out in front of me I'm not gonna
0:22:46.240,0:22:49.960
put those decoys directly between me and
0:22:48.360,0:22:52.360
him I'm wanting them to the side a
0:22:49.960,0:22:53.799
little bit so that when he comes in and
0:22:52.360,0:22:56.000
looks at him he's not
0:22:53.799,0:22:57.600
looking I'm not in the background
0:22:56.000,0:22:59.440
exactly I'm not he's not looking
0:22:57.600,0:23:02.760
directly at me over top of that Decoy
0:22:59.440,0:23:04.159
that if I move my gun barrel or you know
0:23:02.760,0:23:06.080
just to make a little movement I'm GNA
0:23:04.159,0:23:08.720
booger him I want I want his I want his
0:23:06.080,0:23:11.440
eyes looking away from me if if possible
0:23:08.720,0:23:13.360
right yep no it's all great points and
0:23:11.440,0:23:16.000
totally agree with you you know talked
0:23:13.360,0:23:18.919
about setting them close uh bo and I
0:23:16.000,0:23:21.360
have been filming turkeys together for
0:23:18.919,0:23:23.200
forever I mean like soon as we got out
0:23:21.360,0:23:26.279
of high school we've been doing this so
0:23:23.200,0:23:29.200
we learned a long time ago to get some
0:23:26.279,0:23:31.400
capture some really really cool unique
0:23:29.200,0:23:33.720
footage and hear things that you
0:23:31.400,0:23:36.320
normally wouldn't hear we s those decoys
0:23:33.720,0:23:37.880
like 12 15 Steps yeah and man when you
0:23:36.320,0:23:39.919
got to when you got a big old Tom
0:23:37.880,0:23:42.279
whooping up on some decoys or really
0:23:39.919,0:23:44.279
putting on a show for for a hen at 12
0:23:42.279,0:23:46.320
steps you hear stuff you would normally
0:23:44.279,0:23:49.240
not here they making some kind of little
0:23:46.320,0:23:51.039
growling and whiny noises and like them
0:23:49.240,0:23:53.480
Wings dragging on the ground them
0:23:51.039,0:23:54.840
brushing up against a decoy and all that
0:23:53.480,0:23:57.520
type of stuff so yeah we like setting
0:23:54.840,0:23:59.240
them close another thing we kind of you
0:23:57.520,0:24:00.720
know Bose SE walks out there and turns
0:23:59.240,0:24:02.440
around look thinks he's far enough off
0:24:00.720,0:24:05.080
usually me I'm like man I know it Ain
0:24:02.440,0:24:06.679
125 steps but there's there's a couple
0:24:05.080,0:24:09.400
things that goes into that factor one
0:24:06.679,0:24:11.640
I'm lazy why walk on out there at 20 or
0:24:09.400,0:24:14.080
30 when you know it'll work at 12 or 15
0:24:11.640,0:24:15.720
right and plus you get to you get to you
0:24:14.080,0:24:19.799
know get those cool interactions that
0:24:15.720,0:24:21.880
you might not hear uh or pick up on if
0:24:19.799,0:24:23.159
they was on out there 20 or 30 yards
0:24:21.880,0:24:24.960
it's just some cool stuff it's all about
0:24:23.159,0:24:27.240
the show for me you know I mean when you
0:24:24.960,0:24:29.240
call these birds in if they get locked
0:24:27.240,0:24:31.640
into the decoys once they are locked
0:24:29.240,0:24:34.360
into them especially with a jake or a
0:24:31.640,0:24:36.799
full Strutter decoy uh where they're
0:24:34.360,0:24:38.240
really engaged where they're mad and
0:24:36.799,0:24:39.960
thinking about whooping it but at the
0:24:38.240,0:24:41.640
same time wanting to breed that H and
0:24:39.960,0:24:43.640
all that type you can about stand up on
0:24:41.640,0:24:47.480
those birds you can get away with so
0:24:43.640,0:24:49.080
much stuff so but yeah that's that's a
0:24:47.480,0:24:51.760
really good tips with all that stuff
0:24:49.080,0:24:53.679
another thing like you said uh I think
0:24:51.760,0:24:55.360
one really key thing no matter what
0:24:53.679,0:24:58.520
distance you're putting them at is how
0:24:55.360,0:25:00.600
you put them set the decoys out with
0:24:58.520,0:25:03.080
your Goblin bird is how he's going to
0:25:00.600,0:25:05.880
approach and and where you're sitting at
0:25:03.080,0:25:08.039
I do like off uh say I'm right-handed
0:25:05.880,0:25:10.000
I'm a right-hand shooter so my strong
0:25:08.039,0:25:11.799
side is over towards that left side I'm
0:25:10.000,0:25:14.000
usually putting wanting to place those
0:25:11.799,0:25:16.279
decoys towards that strong side
0:25:14.000,0:25:18.200
somewhere you know left of center uh
0:25:16.279,0:25:19.840
that way I have you know it's easy for
0:25:18.200,0:25:22.440
me to swing to the right which would be
0:25:19.840,0:25:24.240
my weak side if I have to uh but
0:25:22.440,0:25:25.919
generally if everything works out right
0:25:24.240,0:25:27.399
you can just you know point that shotgun
0:25:25.919,0:25:29.360
right at that decoy spread and you never
0:25:27.399,0:25:31.799
even have to move it
0:25:29.360,0:25:34.480
ever yeah oh you're right and and like I
0:25:31.799,0:25:36.080
said especially and I know you know I
0:25:34.480,0:25:38.279
don't know some people don't like decoys
0:25:36.080,0:25:41.799
some people love them I think they're an
0:25:38.279,0:25:43.520
absolute blast uh and and you know you
0:25:41.799,0:25:47.480
talking about the show you'd see I I
0:25:43.520,0:25:50.559
mean it set there and you get H good and
0:25:47.480,0:25:55.559
a big big old boss gobler comes in and
0:25:50.559,0:25:57.000
struts it 12 15 Steps uh it's I think
0:25:55.559,0:25:58.840
it's one of the coolest experiences
0:25:57.000,0:26:01.480
there is I really do
0:25:58.840,0:26:02.799
uh the druming that you get to hear and
0:26:01.480,0:26:05.200
you know their head you get to see their
0:26:02.799,0:26:07.200
heads you know changing colors up CL I
0:26:05.200,0:26:09.840
think it's the coolest thing ever right
0:26:07.200,0:26:12.120
yeah decoys you
0:26:09.840,0:26:15.480
know and I'll ask you about this what do
0:26:12.120,0:26:17.480
you think about reaping turkeys bow and
0:26:15.480,0:26:20.000
before you answer that I'll just go
0:26:17.480,0:26:21.600
ahead and say um no problem at all with
0:26:20.000,0:26:23.440
reaping turkeys it's one thing that
0:26:21.600,0:26:25.720
these full strut decoys and stuff like
0:26:23.440,0:26:27.960
that have gained some popularity with as
0:26:25.720,0:26:29.559
you can get behind them and scoot up on
0:26:27.960,0:26:32.360
these birds and they come you know you
0:26:29.559,0:26:35.640
shoot them at two yards or whatever um I
0:26:32.360,0:26:37.760
think it's cool to watch um my personal
0:26:35.640,0:26:40.520
opin I'm not anybody I don't care a
0:26:37.760,0:26:42.320
thing about reaping a Turkey um the
0:26:40.520,0:26:44.960
thing the reason is because I'm a caller
0:26:42.320,0:26:47.480
I love calling things in and that Decoy
0:26:44.960,0:26:49.919
is just a tool for me to close that deal
0:26:47.480,0:26:52.799
you know I'm still relying on my calling
0:26:49.919,0:26:54.080
to bring those turkeys in and and you
0:26:52.799,0:26:56.880
know the decoys are just kind of
0:26:54.080,0:26:58.880
finisher thing or to put on a little bit
0:26:56.880,0:27:00.480
extra show so to speak or something like
0:26:58.880,0:27:02.919
that but what what's your opinion how
0:27:00.480,0:27:05.440
how do you feel about reaping turkeys
0:27:02.919,0:27:07.159
well I'm I'm in the same boat as you uh
0:27:05.440,0:27:10.279
nothing against nobody if they enjoy
0:27:07.159,0:27:11.960
doing it it's it's not for me U I don't
0:27:10.279,0:27:14.640
care nothing about doing it but I'm like
0:27:11.960,0:27:16.120
you I love to call turkeys that's that's
0:27:14.640,0:27:17.559
the reason I love hunting them I like
0:27:16.120,0:27:19.640
for them to gobble I like for them to
0:27:17.559,0:27:21.880
respond and interact with them and like
0:27:19.640,0:27:24.159
you said the decoy is is it just sort of
0:27:21.880,0:27:26.399
closes the deal on that and and you know
0:27:24.159,0:27:27.440
and I have remember you know just like
0:27:26.399,0:27:29.679
I'm sure there's people out there that
0:27:27.440,0:27:31.640
don't agree with de with decoy use in
0:27:29.679,0:27:33.360
general so I'm the same way with with
0:27:31.640,0:27:36.279
brief you know if it's legal and that's
0:27:33.360,0:27:39.320
what you going that's what you love you
0:27:36.279,0:27:42.960
know hey do it to it but yeah it's it's
0:27:39.320,0:27:44.480
just not not my cup of tea um I've
0:27:42.960,0:27:47.039
actually thought about doing it a few
0:27:44.480,0:27:50.799
times like I'll see videos like oh my
0:27:47.039,0:27:53.039
gosh it is awesome is
0:27:50.799,0:27:54.840
awesome once I you know and I think it'd
0:27:53.039,0:27:56.960
be a cool experience but at the same
0:27:54.840,0:27:58.960
time I'm thinking like man if I use one
0:27:56.960,0:28:01.880
of my turkey tags or reap a turkey
0:27:58.960,0:28:04.080
that's one less I get to call in you get
0:28:01.880,0:28:06.279
my passion so that's exactly right I
0:28:04.080,0:28:08.880
watched a guy I go to church with he
0:28:06.279,0:28:10.559
videoed his son belly crawling on to and
0:28:08.880,0:28:11.880
I mean heck I thought he was I thought
0:28:10.559,0:28:14.640
he was gonna grab one of them it was the
0:28:11.880,0:28:16.120
craziest thing ever like you when I
0:28:14.640,0:28:17.480
watched it I like golly I just soon sat
0:28:16.120,0:28:19.960
there and called told him see if I can
0:28:17.480,0:28:22.559
get you know so it's just so yeah I'm
0:28:19.960,0:28:24.480
I'm in the same boat as you on that well
0:28:22.559,0:28:27.600
let's go back uh we was talking about
0:28:24.480,0:28:30.039
turkey scouting there a little bit um
0:28:27.600,0:28:33.120
and it got me to thinking about say
0:28:30.039,0:28:34.519
you've got a roof site scouted out you
0:28:33.120,0:28:37.399
know you've been there listening to this
0:28:34.519,0:28:39.080
particular Farm every single day they're
0:28:37.399,0:28:42.320
they're roosted on the point of this
0:28:39.080,0:28:45.760
Ridge and they fly off and work their
0:28:42.320,0:28:50.000
way out into this little crop field or
0:28:45.760,0:28:52.480
whatever how how far do you like to set
0:28:50.000,0:28:55.399
up on a roosted bird how far away like
0:28:52.480,0:28:58.159
what do you have like a a key distance
0:28:55.399,0:28:59.880
that you like to try to break into and
0:28:58.159,0:29:02.799
then is there also like a distance you
0:28:59.880,0:29:04.880
feel like it's too close I know it's can
0:29:02.799,0:29:06.919
be all be situational but you know it's
0:29:04.880,0:29:08.480
all situation you're right uh but but
0:29:06.919,0:29:10.519
yeah if I know where a bird's roosting
0:29:08.480,0:29:14.559
or or I got a pretty good idea and I'm
0:29:10.519,0:29:17.519
going in I'm in you know generally the
0:29:14.559,0:29:21.440
100 to 150 yard range I like to for sure
0:29:17.519,0:29:23.880
be within 150 100 if I can I don't want
0:29:21.440,0:29:26.039
to be off too far but again going back
0:29:23.880,0:29:27.799
to we talked ear about coling turkeys
0:29:26.039,0:29:30.120
dies are calling where they want to come
0:29:27.799,0:29:32.640
I think it's easier to call them a short
0:29:30.120,0:29:34.039
distance than a long distance right so I
0:29:32.640,0:29:35.880
want to get it but at the same time I
0:29:34.039,0:29:37.960
don't want to get in so tight to one on
0:29:35.880,0:29:40.480
the roast where I make a little noise or
0:29:37.960,0:29:43.559
or do something to to mess the hunt up
0:29:40.480,0:29:45.279
before it ever gets going yeah you or
0:29:43.559,0:29:48.080
you get aose he when he flies out he
0:29:45.279,0:29:49.760
flies over top of you exactly that's
0:29:48.080,0:29:53.880
right that's right there you go well
0:29:49.760,0:29:55.880
crap there that went exactly yeah but
0:29:53.880,0:29:57.600
you know on the on the flip side of that
0:29:55.880,0:29:58.840
let's say it's midm morning and a bird's
0:29:57.600,0:30:02.159
gobling on his
0:29:58.840,0:30:03.799
do dude I'm G to and it depends on like
0:30:02.159,0:30:06.080
you know going back are we using decoys
0:30:03.799,0:30:07.640
or we just trying to kill him especially
0:30:06.080,0:30:09.600
if I don't have decoys and stays in the
0:30:07.640,0:30:12.279
woods or something I'm gonna let that
0:30:09.600,0:30:14.120
bird gobble and I'm gonna slip in I'm
0:30:12.279,0:30:17.360
gonna get as tight as I can if I can get
0:30:14.120,0:30:19.760
in 60 yards on him I'm gonna get in 60
0:30:17.360,0:30:21.760
yards on him and uh and then at that
0:30:19.760,0:30:24.279
point all I can do is call him you know
0:30:21.760,0:30:26.679
203 yards and I can get him killed yeah
0:30:24.279,0:30:29.200
yeah you know so so again it's all
0:30:26.679,0:30:30.919
situational but but does uh I'm not
0:30:29.200,0:30:32.600
scared to get in on tight on birds
0:30:30.919,0:30:34.600
before I ever make the first call I'll
0:30:32.600,0:30:37.399
tell you that yeah if the if the terrain
0:30:34.600,0:30:39.320
allows it yeah pour it on it for sure
0:30:37.399,0:30:41.679
yeah well that's that's some good stuff
0:30:39.320,0:30:44.120
arbo let's let's move right along we
0:30:41.679,0:30:46.559
talked about you know scouting we talked
0:30:44.120,0:30:48.600
about you know decoy spreads and
0:30:46.559,0:30:50.399
different situations we've talked about
0:30:48.600,0:30:52.080
you know setting up on roosted birds you
0:30:50.399,0:30:54.200
know that you found through through
0:30:52.080,0:30:56.679
scouting and all that let's talk about
0:30:54.200,0:30:58.440
let's say that first setup doesn't work
0:30:56.679,0:31:00.200
and then you know of course I said if
0:30:58.440,0:31:01.880
you if you scouted your property and
0:31:00.200,0:31:03.600
you've got multiple Birds through your
0:31:01.880,0:31:06.519
scouting you should have a pretty good
0:31:03.600,0:31:08.279
backup plan going you know if that first
0:31:06.519,0:31:10.399
initial bird doesn't work out you should
0:31:08.279,0:31:11.799
have a good idea of a strut Zone stuff
0:31:10.399,0:31:14.200
like that where you can try to go get on
0:31:11.799,0:31:17.519
a second or third bird but uh what if
0:31:14.200,0:31:19.840
you get those situations where um where
0:31:17.519,0:31:21.960
it's running and gunning time though you
0:31:19.840,0:31:24.080
know like you got to go grind and see if
0:31:21.960,0:31:26.399
you can't find a bird and get on him and
0:31:24.080,0:31:28.639
get him get him killed uh give us some
0:31:26.399,0:31:30.919
tips on running and gunning Stu style uh
0:31:28.639,0:31:32.559
turkey hunting well like you said it
0:31:30.919,0:31:34.320
goes back to to me it's going to go back
0:31:32.559,0:31:36.399
to scout of course I want to know some
0:31:34.320,0:31:37.880
other areas where birds have been you
0:31:36.399,0:31:39.880
know it might have been it might even be
0:31:37.880,0:31:42.000
spots that okay there's not been a bird
0:31:39.880,0:31:44.000
there every time ago but throughout the
0:31:42.000,0:31:45.760
spring there's been some birds using
0:31:44.000,0:31:48.679
this property so I know there they can
0:31:45.760,0:31:51.200
be there so I do want to know that and
0:31:48.679,0:31:53.440
then there's basically two ways that I
0:31:51.200,0:31:55.559
go about it one like you said if I
0:31:53.440,0:31:56.919
talked about earlier if there's Fields
0:31:55.559,0:31:59.279
you know sometimes I just try to spot
0:31:56.919,0:32:01.000
Birds yeah know and just see where birds
0:31:59.279,0:32:05.399
are and be able to make a move just off
0:32:01.000,0:32:08.799
site and then if not I try to uh if I'm
0:32:05.399,0:32:11.440
if I'm going to strike a turkey I wna I
0:32:08.799,0:32:14.399
want to try to find some ground to where
0:32:11.440,0:32:17.559
uh to where I can be up high where my
0:32:14.399,0:32:19.080
call is going to carry really good and
0:32:17.559,0:32:23.320
potentially you know get a bird to
0:32:19.080,0:32:28.600
answer from a distance that way I can uh
0:32:23.320,0:32:31.600
make a make a make a move on it yep it's
0:32:28.600,0:32:33.320
all all that are good great tactics
0:32:31.600,0:32:36.440
totally agree with all of them one thing
0:32:33.320,0:32:38.159
I'll throw in on top of that um if you
0:32:36.440,0:32:41.080
guys that are listening if you've been
0:32:38.159,0:32:42.639
turkey hunting for a while and getting a
0:32:41.080,0:32:45.039
little older like I am you probably
0:32:42.639,0:32:46.519
noticed your hearing is not as awesome
0:32:45.039,0:32:49.679
as it used to
0:32:46.519,0:32:51.120
be one thing that I noticed myself doing
0:32:49.679,0:32:52.960
over the last few years when it gets
0:32:51.120,0:32:54.399
into those running and gunning style
0:32:52.960,0:32:56.679
deals you know as soon as I get into a
0:32:54.399,0:32:58.679
property I definitely want to scan and
0:32:56.679,0:33:01.639
glass as much as I can like B did if you
0:32:58.679,0:33:03.320
got a good vantage point but another
0:33:01.639,0:33:04.679
another thing I do you know first if you
0:33:03.320,0:33:06.919
don't see a bird first thing you do is
0:33:04.679,0:33:09.440
you call right you're trying to strike a
0:33:06.919,0:33:11.320
bird um I usually like to run the
0:33:09.440,0:33:14.000
friction style calls to try to strike
0:33:11.320,0:33:15.240
them just because I don't have that a
0:33:14.000,0:33:16.919
lot of times I've noticed when I'm
0:33:15.240,0:33:19.240
running a mouth diaphragm when I'm
0:33:16.919,0:33:21.000
squawking with my mouth it makes me if
0:33:19.240,0:33:23.799
you have a bird that cuts you off it's
0:33:21.000,0:33:26.440
harder for me to hear I you know my my
0:33:23.799,0:33:28.679
calling itself is overpowering it uh so
0:33:26.440,0:33:31.159
I like running a friction Style Al call
0:33:28.679,0:33:33.480
uh trying to strike a bird running
0:33:31.159,0:33:36.039
gunning situations and then the other
0:33:33.480,0:33:38.760
thing that I like to do if say I make
0:33:36.039,0:33:40.559
that official that first initial call
0:33:38.760,0:33:42.760
soon as I get on a property don't hear
0:33:40.559,0:33:44.720
nothing well your next thing you do is
0:33:42.760,0:33:47.240
you usually take off walking you know
0:33:44.720,0:33:49.399
you you go deeper into the property and
0:33:47.240,0:33:51.679
you're just stopping ever so often and
0:33:49.399,0:33:53.600
calling and trying to strike a bird well
0:33:51.679,0:33:56.440
I have found over the last few years
0:33:53.600,0:33:58.480
where my co or my hearing is not as well
0:33:56.440,0:34:02.279
as good as it used to be I'm doing that
0:33:58.480,0:34:04.760
more often my my space between where I
0:34:02.279,0:34:07.519
call Walk and then call again is a lot
0:34:04.760,0:34:09.159
shorter sure because I'm not hearing
0:34:07.519,0:34:10.520
those birds as far off so you know when
0:34:09.159,0:34:12.240
I first called there might have been a
0:34:10.520,0:34:16.200
bird at answer and I just couldn't hear
0:34:12.240,0:34:18.599
it so I'm not walking tremendously far
0:34:16.200,0:34:22.320
I'm not going to give you guys a set
0:34:18.599,0:34:24.599
range but I'm only walking 100 yards or
0:34:22.320,0:34:26.240
so before I'm calling again to see if I
0:34:24.599,0:34:27.800
can strike a bird cuz it's possible
0:34:26.240,0:34:29.839
there's a bird just you know I'm fixing
0:34:27.800,0:34:31.000
bump into one you know what I mean
0:34:29.839,0:34:34.440
because I couldn't hear
0:34:31.000,0:34:36.599
it uh you and on that you know going off
0:34:34.440,0:34:40.079
that a little bit is and I know
0:34:36.599,0:34:43.079
everybody's situation is different U I'm
0:34:40.079,0:34:44.280
lucky that in our Kentucky season uh now
0:34:43.079,0:34:46.399
it's different doing the show because we
0:34:44.280,0:34:47.599
only got five days but as as if I'm just
0:34:46.399,0:34:50.760
hunting our
0:34:47.599,0:34:52.599
season it's it's a three-week season I'm
0:34:50.760,0:34:54.200
not pressed for time usually usually I
0:34:52.599,0:34:55.879
got you know several days I can hunt
0:34:54.200,0:34:58.480
throughout the season if I get to a
0:34:55.879,0:35:00.680
property and you know I'm not hearing
0:34:58.480,0:35:02.560
nothing nothing's responding to me or
0:35:00.680,0:35:05.359
let's say a bird answers once and that's
0:35:02.560,0:35:07.320
it and I don't think I can get on him
0:35:05.359,0:35:08.839
you know i' I've learned too as i' you
0:35:07.320,0:35:11.560
know as I'm hunted more I'll leave that
0:35:08.839,0:35:13.000
bird alone I want I want go after him
0:35:11.560,0:35:15.560
you know what I mean and come back and
0:35:13.000,0:35:17.880
try him a different day uh instead
0:35:15.560,0:35:20.760
ofstead of walking on property and and
0:35:17.880,0:35:22.520
bumping birds that wasn't Goblin um you
0:35:20.760,0:35:24.480
know I just I'll just let them be for
0:35:22.520,0:35:27.240
the day well I think that's a perfect
0:35:24.480,0:35:29.200
way to go into my next question Bo is is
0:35:27.240,0:35:31.800
what are some of the biggest mistakes
0:35:29.200,0:35:33.480
you see tur turkey hunters make because
0:35:31.800,0:35:36.200
I think that's one of them what you just
0:35:33.480,0:35:37.920
mentioned there about bumping Birds yeah
0:35:36.200,0:35:41.359
I think it's you they don't have to be
0:35:37.920,0:35:44.839
bumped you know what I mean no no and
0:35:41.359,0:35:46.760
and I'd say I'm sure you all agree we we
0:35:44.839,0:35:48.720
we've covered the mistakes in our in our
0:35:46.760,0:35:50.520
time of hunting probably every one of
0:35:48.720,0:35:52.560
them we we've done two or three times
0:35:50.520,0:35:53.680
yeah probably do them again this year
0:35:52.560,0:35:56.880
yeah
0:35:53.680,0:35:58.280
that's um I think what you hit on is one
0:35:56.880,0:36:01.359
big one
0:35:58.280,0:36:03.680
is is just just running properties too
0:36:01.359,0:36:05.280
hard just because season's open I've
0:36:03.680,0:36:07.160
gota you know people have the mindset I
0:36:05.280,0:36:09.000
gotta go I gotta go and they and they
0:36:07.160,0:36:11.800
run properties down and and listen if a
0:36:09.000,0:36:13.760
man's or a lady's short on time and
0:36:11.800,0:36:15.200
don't get to hunt much I get it I don't
0:36:13.760,0:36:16.800
blame them get after it you know what I
0:36:15.200,0:36:19.400
mean go try to make something
0:36:16.800,0:36:21.319
happen but you know one thing that I
0:36:19.400,0:36:25.280
think just from hunting with different
0:36:21.319,0:36:28.040
people is I don't I don't think people
0:36:25.280,0:36:30.960
appreciate the eyesight of turkeys yeah
0:36:28.040,0:36:33.400
uh how good they can see I don't think
0:36:30.960,0:36:37.160
people understand the importance of the
0:36:33.400,0:36:38.400
of what's behind them and being ready
0:36:37.160,0:36:39.760
you know a lot of times with deer
0:36:38.400,0:36:42.000
hunters and stuff like that you can have
0:36:39.760,0:36:44.720
your gun across your LA and stuff you
0:36:42.000,0:36:46.280
get a bird coming in that gun needs to
0:36:44.720,0:36:49.480
be on your knee and you need to be
0:36:46.280,0:36:50.520
sitting there ready to go because you
0:36:49.480,0:36:52.440
know especially if you're calling
0:36:50.520,0:36:55.359
turkeys in
0:36:52.440,0:36:58.760
uh one little bit of movement that ain't
0:36:55.359,0:37:01.839
right and it's game over yeah yeah oh
0:36:58.760,0:37:03.720
man they pick you off good grief I
0:37:01.839,0:37:06.000
totally I mean I've been picked off
0:37:03.720,0:37:08.920
before and you know you're like what in
0:37:06.000,0:37:10.760
the world happened and yeah you can only
0:37:08.920,0:37:13.359
be like I surely didn't see me shrug my
0:37:10.760,0:37:16.040
shoulder to get that mosquito off what
0:37:13.359,0:37:17.720
you know but they did they did you know
0:37:16.040,0:37:19.079
and sometime you know sometimes you go
0:37:17.720,0:37:20.800
back out and you look and you turn
0:37:19.079,0:37:22.280
around like man I ought be hi good but
0:37:20.800,0:37:24.000
then you think okay well my gun was
0:37:22.280,0:37:25.760
sticking out and maybe silhouetted by
0:37:24.000,0:37:27.760
the field I don't you know there's just
0:37:25.760,0:37:30.040
it don't take much to and to make
0:37:27.760,0:37:31.119
nervous they're nervous dude it is it's
0:37:30.040,0:37:35.599
it's
0:37:31.119,0:37:37.000
done you know and then the you know of
0:37:35.599,0:37:38.599
course one of probably the biggest
0:37:37.000,0:37:41.520
things is what we talked about start
0:37:38.599,0:37:44.000
start this with scouting you know very
0:37:41.520,0:37:45.880
you know then just not scouting yeah
0:37:44.000,0:37:49.079
just going out hun I think that's a huge
0:37:45.880,0:37:51.960
one and then here's one that that I I I
0:37:49.079,0:37:54.359
think I had to learn pretty hard uh over
0:37:51.960,0:37:55.400
the years was let's say you you know
0:37:54.359,0:37:56.680
going back to what you talking about a
0:37:55.400,0:37:58.400
minute ago let's say we're running a gun
0:37:56.680,0:38:01.280
and we strike a
0:37:58.400,0:38:03.079
okay we cut we cut to him and he gobbles
0:38:01.280,0:38:05.359
well if it's any distance what do you
0:38:03.079,0:38:07.800
usually do usually you're heading to him
0:38:05.359,0:38:11.240
you're going yep okay so you call again
0:38:07.800,0:38:13.000
he gobbles again but you think gosh you
0:38:11.240,0:38:15.160
okay I get closer well you're walking in
0:38:13.000,0:38:17.760
the leaves so this turkey has heard you
0:38:15.160,0:38:19.480
cut to him he's heard you yel to him he
0:38:17.760,0:38:21.079
can tell you're getting closer and now
0:38:19.480,0:38:22.800
he's hearing you walking the leaves well
0:38:21.079,0:38:25.680
heck he might he might be on his way to
0:38:22.800,0:38:26.880
you you know just from you walking
0:38:25.680,0:38:28.319
through the leaves here and you sound
0:38:26.880,0:38:29.680
like a hen walking through the woods and
0:38:28.319,0:38:31.760
you bump him before you ever actually
0:38:29.680,0:38:33.920
get set up on him yep and might not even
0:38:31.760,0:38:35.560
know that you ever bumped him exactly
0:38:33.920,0:38:38.839
you think well gosh I guess he got hands
0:38:35.560,0:38:41.079
with him no probably not you just walked
0:38:38.839,0:38:44.200
up on him is what you did the sucker was
0:38:41.079,0:38:46.720
coming through the woods and and and uh
0:38:44.200,0:38:48.079
and and you walked up on it yeah yeah
0:38:46.720,0:38:51.000
you know I've been in those situations
0:38:48.079,0:38:52.560
too where you move on a bird like that
0:38:51.000,0:38:54.560
or you get out and all a sudden you see
0:38:52.560,0:38:56.960
one and you might be hunting with
0:38:54.560,0:38:58.920
another guy or a couple guys or whatever
0:38:56.960,0:39:01.000
and then people start moving around and
0:38:58.920,0:39:03.640
I'm always thinking like listen if we
0:39:01.000,0:39:07.280
can see this turkey you dang right he
0:39:03.640,0:39:09.800
can see us so get down or whatever you
0:39:07.280,0:39:12.839
know but all those all those were great
0:39:09.800,0:39:15.680
B I'll add on to that just a little bit
0:39:12.839,0:39:18.359
I think one major mistake that I see
0:39:15.680,0:39:20.760
people make uh is goes right off this
0:39:18.359,0:39:23.160
bumping turkeys deal is if you do walk
0:39:20.760,0:39:26.000
up on a turkey and he runs off don't try
0:39:23.160,0:39:27.839
to call to it I think this is a huge
0:39:26.000,0:39:29.800
mistake I see people do it all time they
0:39:27.839,0:39:31.079
think well he's he's not that scared we
0:39:29.800,0:39:32.319
didn't hurt him that bad I bet we can
0:39:31.079,0:39:34.480
call him back up we'll see if we can get
0:39:32.319,0:39:36.560
him to gobble and sometimes they will
0:39:34.480,0:39:39.640
gobble sometimes they will but they they
0:39:36.560,0:39:41.359
ain't gonna come come no and then what's
0:39:39.640,0:39:44.240
happened is a lot of people don't
0:39:41.359,0:39:46.280
they're listen I think people give
0:39:44.240,0:39:48.520
turkeys probably more credit than what
0:39:46.280,0:39:50.359
they deserve far as their intelligence
0:39:48.520,0:39:51.960
they're not a smart animal I mean really
0:39:50.359,0:39:54.119
come on everybody I mean if you can get
0:39:51.960,0:39:56.560
them we used to use those little foam
0:39:54.119,0:39:58.720
decoys that did not look nothing like a
0:39:56.560,0:39:59.960
turkey yeah I mean like nothing like a
0:39:58.720,0:40:01.920
turkey you'd have them come up here
0:39:59.960,0:40:04.880
trying to breed them and all this type
0:40:01.920,0:40:06.800
they're not a smart animal okay two
0:40:04.880,0:40:07.760
wings and they get to a w wire fence
0:40:06.800,0:40:10.000
they can't get they can't figure how to
0:40:07.760,0:40:12.359
get through the fence yeah I know what
0:40:10.000,0:40:14.079
you mean so what I'm getting at is here
0:40:12.359,0:40:16.839
is even though they're not all that
0:40:14.079,0:40:18.839
intelligent an animal if you do bump a
0:40:16.839,0:40:20.400
bird and he starts to run off and he
0:40:18.839,0:40:22.520
just goes right over the rise he might
0:40:20.400,0:40:24.280
just walk off and you're thinking oh I
0:40:22.520,0:40:26.560
bet I could call I bet I call him back
0:40:24.280,0:40:28.920
up don't do it even though they're not
0:40:26.560,0:40:30.800
all that intellig if you do call that
0:40:28.920,0:40:34.359
bird that you've bumped he will
0:40:30.800,0:40:35.680
associate your sound with danger and
0:40:34.359,0:40:37.200
guess what now you got to call Shy
0:40:35.680,0:40:40.280
turkey and everybody knows what it's
0:40:37.200,0:40:42.240
like trying to hunt a call Shy turkey
0:40:40.280,0:40:44.119
you know and on that I tell you one
0:40:42.240,0:40:45.680
thing I'll mention on that real quick
0:40:44.119,0:40:47.440
that I have no especially when I go with
0:40:45.680,0:40:49.599
other people and I go to their
0:40:47.440,0:40:51.920
properties they they'll say all right
0:40:49.599,0:40:53.760
we'll go up here and we'll call okay
0:40:51.920,0:40:54.920
well we go up there you know to an edge
0:40:53.760,0:40:57.520
of a field or something and there's a
0:40:54.920,0:40:59.359
tree there and the and the leaves and
0:40:57.520,0:41:02.560
underneath of it are just worn down to
0:40:59.359,0:41:05.000
dirt down yeah and they cough they go to
0:41:02.560,0:41:07.760
the same spot every time they go to a
0:41:05.000,0:41:10.800
property use the same calls so that
0:41:07.760,0:41:12.160
turkey over you know a week's time three
0:41:10.800,0:41:15.400
or four times he's hearing the same
0:41:12.160,0:41:17.319
calls from the same exact spot uh
0:41:15.400,0:41:19.119
sometimes Lord all you got to do is
0:41:17.319,0:41:21.160
change up the approach on a turkey
0:41:19.119,0:41:22.839
change your setup just a little bit and
0:41:21.160,0:41:25.400
man it can make a world of difference on
0:41:22.839,0:41:28.720
how that bird responds yep totally agree
0:41:25.400,0:41:31.960
I see I see that a lot um the last thing
0:41:28.720,0:41:34.480
I'll mention here far as as mistakes to
0:41:31.960,0:41:38.079
see turkey hunters make uh last one I'll
0:41:34.480,0:41:40.520
say is doing doing too much uh you get
0:41:38.079,0:41:43.400
in on a spot you're running and gunning
0:41:40.520,0:41:45.560
and you do get a bird you do strike a
0:41:43.400,0:41:48.560
bird and bow mentioned it if you try to
0:41:45.560,0:41:50.599
crowd too much if you try to call too
0:41:48.560,0:41:52.359
much there's always just that breaking
0:41:50.599,0:41:55.000
point that you've done too much and then
0:41:52.359,0:41:57.200
you end up spooking bumping whatever a
0:41:55.000,0:41:59.359
turkey and then it it creates another
0:41:57.200,0:42:02.520
call Shy bird I see people trying to do
0:41:59.359,0:42:04.720
too much and it hurts their just like
0:42:02.520,0:42:06.319
you said most people or most seasons
0:42:04.720,0:42:08.040
last three or four weeks some of them
0:42:06.319,0:42:10.079
last even longer than that I'm sure some
0:42:08.040,0:42:11.680
of them shorter than that I think we all
0:42:10.079,0:42:13.240
get wrapped up you see buddies killing
0:42:11.680,0:42:14.920
birds and stuff like that and you get in
0:42:13.240,0:42:16.359
the rush oh man I got to get a bird on
0:42:14.920,0:42:18.240
the ground I got to tag out like
0:42:16.359,0:42:20.880
everybody else or whatever just just
0:42:18.240,0:42:21.960
slow down enjoy your season and and make
0:42:20.880,0:42:25.160
sure you're not
0:42:21.960,0:42:27.200
doing too much just do just enough to
0:42:25.160,0:42:29.359
get them killed cuz if you do too much
0:42:27.200,0:42:31.599
you can get yourself in trouble and like
0:42:29.359,0:42:33.559
I said earlier nobody wants to hunt call
0:42:31.599,0:42:35.559
Shy turkeys if there's anything in the
0:42:33.559,0:42:38.280
world that I hate doing there's two
0:42:35.559,0:42:41.160
things it's hunting call Shy coyotes and
0:42:38.280,0:42:43.319
call Shy long beards it's it turns
0:42:41.160,0:42:44.960
something that's so F so much fun into
0:42:43.319,0:42:47.640
something that ain't all that fun it's
0:42:44.960,0:42:49.280
not fun right you know and they're doing
0:42:47.640,0:42:52.359
too much it's always important to
0:42:49.280,0:42:54.680
remember you say you set up on a Turkey
0:42:52.359,0:42:57.400
um it don't hurt a thing to start out
0:42:54.680,0:42:59.800
start your coling on the softer side you
0:42:57.400,0:43:02.160
don't listen and I'm the people you know
0:42:59.800,0:43:04.079
you probably call me a hypocrite Lord I
0:43:02.160,0:43:06.400
think I got a cut to ever turkey a kill
0:43:04.079,0:43:10.400
I just think I just think I
0:43:06.400,0:43:13.280
go but you know you it's once you once
0:43:10.400,0:43:15.160
you crank it up on him it's hard to dial
0:43:13.280,0:43:17.200
it back but if you start out soft you
0:43:15.160,0:43:18.960
can always get more aggressive y you
0:43:17.200,0:43:20.839
know so that's just something very small
0:43:18.960,0:43:23.079
to think about as well and feeding right
0:43:20.839,0:43:25.680
off that what you just said and talking
0:43:23.079,0:43:29.040
about doing too much if you get into a
0:43:25.680,0:43:31.200
situation where you realize that your
0:43:29.040,0:43:33.000
setup or that hunt that day is not going
0:43:31.200,0:43:34.440
to work but you still got a bird out
0:43:33.000,0:43:36.599
there that's hammering and all this
0:43:34.440,0:43:38.720
stuff instead of just keep pouring it to
0:43:36.599,0:43:41.079
him and just keep throwing sound to him
0:43:38.720,0:43:42.920
if you know it's not going to work just
0:43:41.079,0:43:44.559
just get up and back out of there you
0:43:42.920,0:43:47.040
know just try to slip out and try them
0:43:44.559,0:43:48.280
another day it'll pay off trust me
0:43:47.040,0:43:51.599
that's
0:43:48.280,0:43:52.640
right well that uh that covers that up
0:43:51.599,0:43:54.359
though I think you were doing pretty
0:43:52.640,0:43:56.599
good here ain't we if if people are
0:43:54.359,0:43:58.119
still listening if anybody still
0:43:56.599,0:43:59.319
listening
0:43:58.119,0:44:00.800
they might been you to talk about
0:43:59.319,0:44:02.319
bobcats or coow they might be
0:44:00.800,0:44:03.880
disappointed in turkeys yeah well that'
0:44:02.319,0:44:05.119
be a couple episodes on down the road
0:44:03.880,0:44:06.599
we'll definitely be getting back to that
0:44:05.119,0:44:07.839
we got talking about these Strutter gota
0:44:06.599,0:44:10.839
be talking about these hard you know
0:44:07.839,0:44:13.680
hard Goblin you know bald up strutting
0:44:10.839,0:44:16.599
long beers I mean I listen I agree I
0:44:13.680,0:44:19.920
think we talk about it all year I got uh
0:44:16.599,0:44:21.440
I got one more thing I'd like to ask you
0:44:19.920,0:44:22.880
maybe a couple more that I want you tell
0:44:21.440,0:44:24.480
me the story and then I got a couple
0:44:22.880,0:44:25.880
quick hit questions to see what your
0:44:24.480,0:44:28.960
opinion is on stuff then we'll get out
0:44:25.880,0:44:31.760
of here but let's put this if you if the
0:44:28.960,0:44:34.880
population is adequate okay you got a
0:44:31.760,0:44:38.119
good population of birds give us just
0:44:34.880,0:44:39.280
some tips on tagging out on smaller
0:44:38.119,0:44:42.400
properties you know we got a lot of
0:44:39.280,0:44:44.319
people hunt smaller type properties um
0:44:42.400,0:44:45.680
one place that really comes to mind is
0:44:44.319,0:44:47.200
your grandfather's place your
0:44:45.680,0:44:49.040
grandfather's old place down on Green
0:44:47.200,0:44:51.160
River that we used to hunt a ton what
0:44:49.040,0:44:53.079
was it 32 Acres it was 30 some Acres
0:44:51.160,0:44:54.880
just under 40 acres small property it
0:44:53.079,0:44:57.200
was under it was under 40 acres I think
0:44:54.880,0:44:58.760
it had just a small draw in it well
0:44:57.200,0:45:01.520
pretty good draw in it but it had two
0:44:58.760,0:45:05.079
ridges and it's pretty much it and a
0:45:01.520,0:45:07.079
little bit of a bottom 30 32 34 acre
0:45:05.079,0:45:08.480
placed give us some and how many times
0:45:07.079,0:45:10.680
did you tag out on that place or how
0:45:08.480,0:45:12.480
many times did you tag a bird and I come
0:45:10.680,0:45:13.880
in there and Tagg the bird and maybe my
0:45:12.480,0:45:15.720
brother come in so I mean you know we
0:45:13.880,0:45:18.760
would kill multiple birds off smaller
0:45:15.720,0:45:21.160
properties give us a tip on how somebody
0:45:18.760,0:45:23.359
that's hunting smaller type properties
0:45:21.160,0:45:26.319
uh could feel both of their their turkey
0:45:23.359,0:45:27.720
tags this spring well I think and it
0:45:26.319,0:45:30.240
goes back to I mean I know we've talked
0:45:27.720,0:45:33.960
about it a lot U it goes back to
0:45:30.240,0:45:35.440
scouting 100% in my opinion um and you
0:45:33.960,0:45:37.119
know you talk about smaller properties
0:45:35.440,0:45:39.880
and I know you know you've got a you've
0:45:37.119,0:45:42.240
got a few decent sized properties but
0:45:39.880,0:45:43.599
you know you think about when we started
0:45:42.240,0:45:45.880
get when we got in turkey hunting and
0:45:43.599,0:45:48.880
actually started killing birds and stuff
0:45:45.880,0:45:51.520
uh a lot of them was on pieces that
0:45:48.880,0:45:53.680
weren't very big and I think honestly I
0:45:51.520,0:45:57.119
think that helped me become a better
0:45:53.680,0:45:58.000
turkey hunter because usually those
0:45:57.119,0:45:59.720
properties you're not going to have a
0:45:58.000,0:46:02.680
lot of birds so guess what if you screw
0:45:59.720,0:46:06.000
it up your season's done because you you
0:46:02.680,0:46:07.400
think back 15 year 15 20 years ago you
0:46:06.000,0:46:09.160
didn't get on a bunch of birds Every
0:46:07.400,0:46:10.720
Spring there was only two or three birds
0:46:09.160,0:46:12.599
that you were going to chase that year
0:46:10.720,0:46:15.359
yep you so you could if so you could
0:46:12.599,0:46:17.559
ruin your whole season really quick yep
0:46:15.359,0:46:19.720
so I think it goes back to scouting
0:46:17.559,0:46:22.359
where are those birds roosting where are
0:46:19.720,0:46:24.040
they flying off to how do I in the entry
0:46:22.359,0:46:26.240
and exit I think it all boils down to
0:46:24.040,0:46:28.760
how do you get in and how do you get out
0:46:26.240,0:46:30.960
because getting in yeah because one
0:46:28.760,0:46:32.760
thing about a small property a lot of
0:46:30.960,0:46:34.960
times if you can get into the setup you
0:46:32.760,0:46:36.280
need you're gonna be in a chips there's
0:46:34.960,0:46:39.040
a good chance you're gonna kill the
0:46:36.280,0:46:40.480
sucker the first time in there uh but
0:46:39.040,0:46:42.119
like you said minut ago let's say
0:46:40.480,0:46:43.800
something happens he's with H or it just
0:46:42.119,0:46:45.839
ain't working you gotta be able to get
0:46:43.800,0:46:47.200
off that property without bumping him
0:46:45.839,0:46:48.920
because he ain't gonna take much of it
0:46:47.200,0:46:52.119
and he'll go he'll go live somewhere
0:46:48.920,0:46:54.079
else right so I think the scouting and
0:46:52.119,0:46:57.400
the and knowing how to get in and out of
0:46:54.079,0:46:59.160
that property is going to be huge
0:46:57.400,0:47:02.000
yeah I think you can pretty much take
0:46:59.160,0:47:03.599
everything we've talked about uh on this
0:47:02.000,0:47:05.280
podcast and if you put them all together
0:47:03.599,0:47:08.200
you know you're scouting staying low
0:47:05.280,0:47:10.079
impact uh not doing too much just being
0:47:08.200,0:47:11.400
an efficient turkey hunter if you put
0:47:10.079,0:47:13.760
all this stuff together we've talked
0:47:11.400,0:47:16.280
about you know you can you can if you've
0:47:13.760,0:47:19.280
got the birds you can feel your turkey
0:47:16.280,0:47:21.760
tags pretty quick yeah if if Birds
0:47:19.280,0:47:23.760
aren't bothered you know I mean people
0:47:21.760,0:47:25.200
listening know this that you think about
0:47:23.760,0:47:26.920
places where people have them coming in
0:47:25.200,0:47:28.319
their backyard and subdivisions and
0:47:26.920,0:47:30.040
Farmers like what you mean you want
0:47:28.319,0:47:32.599
turkey hunt you know I can shoot one off
0:47:30.040,0:47:34.760
the tractor every day if they're not
0:47:32.599,0:47:36.160
bothered they'll stay on it de what I
0:47:34.760,0:47:38.440
mean they'll stay in they don't have to
0:47:36.160,0:47:40.400
have a huge area right but but they
0:47:38.440,0:47:42.880
don't you know but they get to be messed
0:47:40.400,0:47:44.319
with and it's it's a different ball game
0:47:42.880,0:47:46.640
I got one more for you there on that
0:47:44.319,0:47:47.960
same line give us a tip for hunting K
0:47:46.640,0:47:50.319
shy
0:47:47.960,0:47:53.720
Birds
0:47:50.319,0:47:55.599
golly I I can tell you what my tip is
0:47:53.720,0:47:58.000
the heck with them is what I say go find
0:47:55.599,0:47:59.960
another one is what I I say don't I say
0:47:58.000,0:48:02.240
don't make them call shy in the first
0:47:59.960,0:48:04.680
place there you go that's easier said
0:48:02.240,0:48:07.160
than done but but say if you if you you
0:48:04.680,0:48:09.520
know you're winding down last week of
0:48:07.160,0:48:10.960
season um you got a particular Farm
0:48:09.520,0:48:12.240
that's got two or three birds on it but
0:48:10.960,0:48:13.800
they've been pressured it's the only
0:48:12.240,0:48:14.880
place you can get into that you can hump
0:48:13.800,0:48:16.240
but you really want to get out there and
0:48:14.880,0:48:18.680
give it one last
0:48:16.240,0:48:20.880
try how you going about it what what's a
0:48:18.680,0:48:22.800
good tip for somebody in that situation
0:48:20.880,0:48:24.680
to me and it don't always work because I
0:48:22.800,0:48:26.559
I'm you know a Cy bird like you said it
0:48:24.680,0:48:28.240
ain't that he's so much smarter but dude
0:48:26.559,0:48:32.680
he's he just he ain't gonna put up a lot
0:48:28.240,0:48:34.640
of calling um several several years ago
0:48:32.680,0:48:38.480
uh out on Earl Cooper when we used to
0:48:34.640,0:48:40.520
hunt out there um there was a that place
0:48:38.480,0:48:41.800
got hunted he was that man was generous
0:48:40.520,0:48:44.520
with allowing people to hunt and there
0:48:41.800,0:48:46.240
was a bird on the place and everybody
0:48:44.520,0:48:48.280
that went in that property went the same
0:48:46.240,0:48:49.920
way walked in and walked up on the ridge
0:48:48.280,0:48:52.000
to the left and walked back through
0:48:49.920,0:48:55.040
their colum um I got out there on a
0:48:52.000,0:48:57.240
rainy day the rain just quit bird
0:48:55.040,0:48:58.520
gobbled and he was
0:48:57.240,0:49:00.960
and he was back there wher everybody
0:48:58.520,0:49:03.000
goes but it's I was just and and
0:49:00.960,0:49:04.480
honestly at the time didn't know if it
0:49:03.000,0:49:06.559
was going to work or not but I said you
0:49:04.480,0:49:08.839
know what I'm gonna I'm gonna steer to
0:49:06.559,0:49:11.480
the right the setup wasn't good I was on
0:49:08.839,0:49:12.880
the side of a heelside looking up but
0:49:11.480,0:49:14.200
the bird had never been approached from
0:49:12.880,0:49:16.839
that angle I don't think I don't think
0:49:14.200,0:49:19.720
he had ever heard Colin come from that
0:49:16.839,0:49:22.400
side of that Ridgetop right and the
0:49:19.720,0:49:24.760
sucker he acted like a two-year-old cut
0:49:22.400,0:49:27.559
me cut me off and 10 minutes later I was
0:49:24.760,0:49:30.079
you know had my foot on his head uh so I
0:49:27.559,0:49:32.359
think again what kind of calls has he
0:49:30.079,0:49:34.839
heard has he heard a bunch of friction
0:49:32.359,0:49:37.599
calls can I use a mouth call and give
0:49:34.839,0:49:39.440
him a different sound um and and how are
0:49:37.599,0:49:41.799
other people approaching this turkey is
0:49:39.440,0:49:43.319
he getting is he getting you know hunted
0:49:41.799,0:49:44.799
really really hard at the morning
0:49:43.319,0:49:46.920
nobody's hunting him in the afternoon
0:49:44.799,0:49:51.520
maybe maybe it's a slip in there in the
0:49:46.920,0:49:53.839
afternoon and try um you know so uh
0:49:51.520,0:49:56.359
just again I don't know that there's a
0:49:53.839,0:49:58.599
foolproof method for a call Shy bird but
0:49:56.359,0:50:00.440
if you told me a property's been hunting
0:49:58.599,0:50:02.119
and I got to go try to kill that turkey
0:50:00.440,0:50:03.960
I'm going to try to approach him from a
0:50:02.119,0:50:06.680
different angle and give him a sound
0:50:03.960,0:50:09.799
that I don't think he's hurt good stuff
0:50:06.680,0:50:11.240
good stuff reason I mean we talked about
0:50:09.799,0:50:13.280
the the friction cause but that's
0:50:11.240,0:50:15.520
another reason I love a diaphragm C
0:50:13.280,0:50:18.200
because you can take five of us give us
0:50:15.520,0:50:19.920
the same diaphragm yes we're probably
0:50:18.200,0:50:21.760
gonna get we're all gonna sound a little
0:50:19.920,0:50:23.760
bit different so that's the reason even
0:50:21.760,0:50:25.480
if you're not great with a mouth call
0:50:23.760,0:50:27.319
find you one that you can run a little
0:50:25.480,0:50:29.440
bit I think it'll and think it really
0:50:27.319,0:50:30.359
helps right right and you know that's
0:50:29.440,0:50:33.799
one of the reason we was talking about
0:50:30.359,0:50:35.960
those combo packs earlier um one reason
0:50:33.799,0:50:37.559
combo packs are so popular you know like
0:50:35.960,0:50:39.920
I might take a combo pack and I might be
0:50:37.559,0:50:42.359
able to run all three calls in that
0:50:39.920,0:50:44.280
combo pack and sound awesome with it you
0:50:42.359,0:50:46.760
might take the same combo pack like man
0:50:44.280,0:50:48.280
I sound different than John did but
0:50:46.760,0:50:50.000
guess what these two other there's two
0:50:48.280,0:50:51.760
of these three in here that man I think
0:50:50.000,0:50:53.799
they're money they're just exactly how I
0:50:51.760,0:50:56.160
like to run run a call they sound like
0:50:53.799,0:50:57.760
how I want it to sound and I can handle
0:50:56.160,0:50:59.359
them well somebody else might just be
0:50:57.760,0:51:00.880
able to run one of them but that's
0:50:59.359,0:51:03.359
that's the reason we make these combo
0:51:00.880,0:51:05.799
packs cuz not everybody's mouth is the
0:51:03.359,0:51:08.440
same not everybody blows on the
0:51:05.799,0:51:10.480
diaphragm the exact same way so if I run
0:51:08.440,0:51:12.960
one you can't expect to sound the exact
0:51:10.480,0:51:14.720
same way and I don't want you to because
0:51:12.960,0:51:17.119
that's right how I sound on a mouth
0:51:14.720,0:51:20.240
diaphragm is how I sound that's my
0:51:17.119,0:51:22.480
personal call right there so it's I
0:51:20.240,0:51:25.160
strongly suggest for you to learn how to
0:51:22.480,0:51:27.440
run mouth diaphragms just like Bo said
0:51:25.160,0:51:28.920
if you took a Honeypot slate
0:51:27.440,0:51:30.680
Bow's going to sound the same on a
0:51:28.920,0:51:33.079
Honeypot slate that I'm going to sound
0:51:30.680,0:51:35.880
to a degree that pitch is going to be
0:51:33.079,0:51:38.400
the same or our Rhythm might be
0:51:35.880,0:51:40.119
different yeah but as far as the pitch
0:51:38.400,0:51:42.559
and actual sound that comes out of we're
0:51:40.119,0:51:45.480
going to be sounding the same but our
0:51:42.559,0:51:47.440
mouth diaphragm coling is very distinct
0:51:45.480,0:51:48.880
and you know if you know I think it just
0:51:47.440,0:51:50.760
go a long way so I think to be a
0:51:48.880,0:51:52.760
well-rounded turkey hunter you need to
0:51:50.760,0:51:55.720
be able to run some mouth diaphragms
0:51:52.760,0:51:57.240
that's right that's right Bo I want you
0:51:55.720,0:51:59.400
we're going right we're going to finish
0:51:57.240,0:52:01.720
this up here real shortly I want you to
0:51:59.400,0:52:03.119
give me one of your favorite hunting
0:52:01.720,0:52:06.359
stories you don't have to make it too
0:52:03.119,0:52:07.920
long uh just give me a good give us a
0:52:06.359,0:52:09.680
good hunting story then I'm going to ask
0:52:07.920,0:52:11.200
you two questions before we get off here
0:52:09.680,0:52:14.319
and those two questions are going to be
0:52:11.200,0:52:17.079
like uh a preference type question and
0:52:14.319,0:52:18.799
then like a life and death situation
0:52:17.079,0:52:20.160
type question all right so give us a
0:52:18.799,0:52:21.440
good give us a good turkey story I want
0:52:20.160,0:52:22.599
to hear a turkey story so I can be
0:52:21.440,0:52:24.280
pumped up for the rest of day think
0:52:22.599,0:52:26.079
about turkey well it's funny we was
0:52:24.280,0:52:27.760
talking at work just here recently about
0:52:26.079,0:52:30.160
some turkey stories
0:52:27.760,0:52:31.799
there's I got one that always comes to
0:52:30.160,0:52:35.520
mind then I got one with you that you'll
0:52:31.799,0:52:37.400
appreciate um the the one is and I have
0:52:35.520,0:52:38.920
my son he's not a big turkey hunter but
0:52:37.400,0:52:41.640
he's killed four or five birds with me
0:52:38.920,0:52:43.640
on youth hunts um and so one I always
0:52:41.640,0:52:45.359
think about is couple years ago we was
0:52:43.640,0:52:47.799
property was it's all Timber it's all
0:52:45.359,0:52:50.640
woods and uh we were making a move on a
0:52:47.799,0:52:53.720
turkey I knew had hin uh well we come up
0:52:50.640,0:52:56.000
on a Ridgetop and across the holler is a
0:52:53.720,0:52:58.640
bird Goblin on his own and it's early
0:52:56.000,0:53:00.119
April you know this around here at that
0:52:58.640,0:53:02.200
time of year for one's go on his own
0:53:00.119,0:53:04.079
it's like hey you know we need to try to
0:53:02.200,0:53:06.680
kill him because usually they're end up
0:53:04.079,0:53:10.200
horrible that time of year and uh but
0:53:06.680,0:53:13.240
but Eli was heck you know 13 12 years
0:53:10.200,0:53:14.839
old it was gonna be a task to get him
0:53:13.240,0:53:17.680
across that holler and sneak up on a
0:53:14.839,0:53:19.880
bird with no foliage so we sat down on
0:53:17.680,0:53:21.799
this Ridge toop and I said well you know
0:53:19.880,0:53:23.280
let's sit here and call to him I said I
0:53:21.799,0:53:25.720
don't think he'll cross this big holler
0:53:23.280,0:53:27.359
but you never know you know so I sat
0:53:25.720,0:53:29.799
down there and we called and he was
0:53:27.359,0:53:31.200
Goblin man he was gobling and finally I
0:53:29.799,0:53:32.359
thought I could hear the bird drumming I
0:53:31.200,0:53:34.559
said well he's got to be on that
0:53:32.359,0:53:37.040
Hillside because I can hear him drumming
0:53:34.559,0:53:38.799
and and so the bird is sort of to our
0:53:37.040,0:53:40.720
left and I'm on Eli's right and we got
0:53:38.799,0:53:43.240
one Jake decoy in the wood sitting right
0:53:40.720,0:53:45.799
in front of us and I was sort of laying
0:53:43.240,0:53:48.240
down beside Eli I was gonna help him
0:53:45.799,0:53:50.400
work his safety well the bird quits
0:53:48.240,0:53:52.559
gobling and you know this anybody's
0:53:50.400,0:53:54.240
turke on him very long you know one
0:53:52.559,0:53:56.240
quits Goblin it might mean he's on his
0:53:54.240,0:53:58.400
way but I still thought man that bird
0:53:56.240,0:54:01.599
ain't coming across that holler you know
0:53:58.400,0:54:03.079
and uh so I was sat there and and I and
0:54:01.599,0:54:04.599
I could hear all of a sudden I thought I
0:54:03.079,0:54:06.839
could hear something in the leaves I'm
0:54:04.599,0:54:08.079
like you my ears are getting bad but but
0:54:06.839,0:54:11.200
I couldn't see nothing because I laid
0:54:08.079,0:54:13.559
beside Eli I'm looking at Eli's face and
0:54:11.200,0:54:15.920
all of a sudden his eyes are just
0:54:13.559,0:54:19.520
they're getting bigger and bigger and
0:54:15.920,0:54:21.640
bigger I said I said what what what are
0:54:19.520,0:54:23.240
you doing and you know and he said oh
0:54:21.640,0:54:25.160
he's coming he's coming he's coming and
0:54:23.240,0:54:26.760
then all I heard that turkey running
0:54:25.160,0:54:28.760
through them leaves John and he come
0:54:26.760,0:54:31.079
running across that bridge top and hit
0:54:28.760,0:54:34.359
that Jake decoy but I'll never forget
0:54:31.079,0:54:35.839
Eli's eyes look look in his face yeah
0:54:34.359,0:54:37.400
because you know you can just IM you
0:54:35.839,0:54:38.680
know him hadn't hunted much and all of a
0:54:37.400,0:54:40.599
sudden that turkey dude he comes
0:54:38.680,0:54:42.880
screaming up through that Ridgetop just
0:54:40.599,0:54:44.799
running his his eyes just get bigger and
0:54:42.880,0:54:48.880
bigger and bigger I I never will forget
0:54:44.799,0:54:50.599
that good stuff good stuff so but but
0:54:48.880,0:54:52.119
the one was I mean doing this with you I
0:54:50.599,0:54:55.000
got to tell one on you and this don't
0:54:52.119,0:54:59.680
result in a dead turkey uh oh but you
0:54:55.000,0:55:02.400
remember this on out on uh where your
0:54:59.680,0:55:04.799
mom lives we used to always go out there
0:55:02.400,0:55:06.680
and across that big old bottom there was
0:55:04.799,0:55:09.799
Birds Goblin in this bottom big old
0:55:06.680,0:55:12.200
bottom Birds always and and me and John
0:55:09.799,0:55:14.319
we decide all right tomorrow's the day
0:55:12.200,0:55:16.799
we're going down in there and and we're
0:55:14.319,0:55:19.799
killing one of these turkeys and Lord I
0:55:16.799,0:55:21.480
don't know what time we woke up we got
0:55:19.799,0:55:23.400
in that bottom heck it had to be an hour
0:55:21.480,0:55:24.880
and a half before daylight and me and
0:55:23.400,0:55:27.480
you were expecting this I mean you know
0:55:24.880,0:55:29.240
it was GNA be you know just a TV show
0:55:27.480,0:55:31.079
whenever it got daylight all the birds
0:55:29.240,0:55:32.240
gobling and coming in that field and I
0:55:31.079,0:55:34.119
don't think we ever heard of the first
0:55:32.240,0:55:36.680
turkey go I remember that I can even
0:55:34.119,0:55:40.160
take probably take the exact tree I
0:55:36.680,0:55:42.079
think forever forever walk you know got
0:55:40.160,0:55:44.359
up an hour earlier than we normally
0:55:42.079,0:55:46.000
would and yes you know just to make sure
0:55:44.359,0:55:48.799
I don't know if a coyot ate ever turkey
0:55:46.000,0:55:50.920
in that bottom day before what happened
0:55:48.799,0:55:52.880
the day before it sounded mean it was
0:55:50.920,0:55:55.000
crazy down in that bottom we said all
0:55:52.880,0:55:57.440
right tomorrow's the day we're doing it
0:55:55.000,0:55:59.559
yeah and all we it was hike out there
0:55:57.440,0:56:01.920
with nothing to show we must have walked
0:55:59.559,0:56:03.480
underneath every bird that roed in that
0:56:01.920,0:56:06.520
holler that morning or something I don't
0:56:03.480,0:56:08.240
know what I do remember that but I I
0:56:06.520,0:56:11.960
never I never will
0:56:08.240,0:56:14.079
forget that hunt I don't think all right
0:56:11.960,0:56:16.000
got two got two that's good stuff by the
0:56:14.079,0:56:18.319
way I hadn't thought about that hun in
0:56:16.000,0:56:20.160
Forever of course I I knew the Eli hunt
0:56:18.319,0:56:22.039
I remember you call me and tell me about
0:56:20.160,0:56:24.160
that after you all had that successful
0:56:22.039,0:56:26.480
morning so always good to hear about the
0:56:24.160,0:56:28.960
young on getting on them but I got two
0:56:26.480,0:56:31.920
questions to ask you here the first one
0:56:28.960,0:56:34.400
is if your life depended on it type
0:56:31.920,0:56:37.640
situation say I dropped you off in a
0:56:34.400,0:56:39.440
remote area in the world that had
0:56:37.640,0:56:43.039
turkeys we'll just say they're Eastern
0:56:39.440,0:56:45.240
wild turkeys okay kind of want so like
0:56:43.039,0:56:47.680
you know we're in a helicopter I give
0:56:45.240,0:56:49.640
you a vest full of turkey calls you got
0:56:47.680,0:56:52.319
every single turkey call that fox Pro
0:56:49.640,0:56:54.880
makes okay so you've got plenty of calls
0:56:52.319,0:56:57.559
at your disposal to call in a bird right
0:56:54.880,0:57:00.079
you can call in any turkey ever walked
0:56:57.559,0:57:03.920
right yep I'm going to kick you out of
0:57:00.079,0:57:07.280
this helicopter with a parachute and a
0:57:03.920,0:57:09.599
radio okay and what's happening is
0:57:07.280,0:57:11.599
you're going to go down into this
0:57:09.599,0:57:14.960
Wilderness you're going to call up a
0:57:11.599,0:57:18.680
turkey and kill it you got a day to do
0:57:14.960,0:57:21.000
it okay if you do not kill this turkey
0:57:18.680,0:57:24.559
you're going to spend the rest of your
0:57:21.000,0:57:29.079
life down in this Wilderness eating bark
0:57:24.559,0:57:31.119
off the tree grub worms and whatever
0:57:29.079,0:57:33.480
grass acons
0:57:31.119,0:57:37.200
whatever your choice you get to take
0:57:33.480,0:57:39.839
with you is your shotgun gauge you get
0:57:37.200,0:57:41.760
to pick whatever shotgun that you want
0:57:39.839,0:57:43.799
to take I'm going to give you one shell
0:57:41.760,0:57:45.440
so you got one shell to make this happen
0:57:43.799,0:57:47.520
I'm going to kick you out of there you
0:57:45.440,0:57:49.839
got to call up a turkey and you got to
0:57:47.520,0:57:50.559
make sure you kill it what shotgun are
0:57:49.839,0:57:52.520
you
0:57:50.559,0:57:54.319
taking Oh I thought this going to be a
0:57:52.520,0:57:56.920
hard question I mean you know you got to
0:57:54.319,0:57:58.440
pick the right one here want you know
0:57:56.920,0:58:00.920
what I mean you don't want to take like
0:57:58.440,0:58:04.559
snake shot and a 22 or something like
0:58:00.920,0:58:07.839
that okay so's you give me what shotgun
0:58:04.559,0:58:11.480
you taking yeah I'm taking my it's a
0:58:07.839,0:58:13.839
it's old Winchester Model 1312 gauge
0:58:11.480,0:58:18.520
shooting long beard three-inch number
0:58:13.839,0:58:20.880
fives so 12 gauge 12 gauge yes it's a
0:58:18.520,0:58:23.720
pump yep three inch shells three in
0:58:20.880,0:58:26.319
shells lots of pellets in there yes you
0:58:23.720,0:58:28.119
don't want to take a single shot 410 no
0:58:26.319,0:58:29.400
me I ain't doing it I mean you only get
0:58:28.119,0:58:31.160
one shell
0:58:29.400,0:58:34.880
anyway not
0:58:31.160,0:58:37.160
me Gat if you like depend on yeah that's
0:58:34.880,0:58:38.839
what I'm doing I like you Bo even though
0:58:37.160,0:58:40.240
you're my first cousin I've probably hun
0:58:38.839,0:58:42.599
with you more than I've hunting anybody
0:58:40.240,0:58:44.920
else on the earth besides for me my
0:58:42.599,0:58:47.319
brother feel I like you yeah you got
0:58:44.920,0:58:50.960
good taste in and weaponry right there
0:58:47.319,0:58:54.680
yeah that's what I'm doing all right you
0:58:50.960,0:58:56.920
got one more question for you if I if I
0:58:54.680,0:58:58.559
told you that I issue you in a challenge
0:58:56.920,0:59:00.319
for Bo McGuffy this year during the
0:58:58.559,0:59:03.240
spring turkey season you can only have
0:59:00.319,0:59:06.799
three Fox Pro calls in your vest they
0:59:03.240,0:59:09.160
can be it can be a mouth diaphragm a pot
0:59:06.799,0:59:10.520
call and a box call it can be three fre
0:59:09.160,0:59:13.160
don't matter what it is be all three
0:59:10.520,0:59:14.400
diaphragms give me the three Fox Pro
0:59:13.160,0:59:17.119
turkey calls you're taking into the
0:59:14.400,0:59:19.119
woods this spring if I if I you know
0:59:17.119,0:59:22.000
wied you down to only being able to take
0:59:19.119,0:59:23.599
three this now this is sort of crazy to
0:59:22.000,0:59:25.280
me because two of them I to tell you
0:59:23.599,0:59:28.440
I've never used in the turkey woods and
0:59:25.280,0:59:30.480
that ain't like me but number one is the
0:59:28.440,0:59:32.720
uh the wide V cut that's my alltime
0:59:30.480,0:59:35.200
favorite from from the ghost spur combo
0:59:32.720,0:59:37.440
pack yeah I love that call absolutely
0:59:35.200,0:59:40.839
love it uh and then I'm gonna take that
0:59:37.440,0:59:42.440
hus hen and then I want a friction call
0:59:40.839,0:59:44.520
and I'm taking that ceramic I think that
0:59:42.440,0:59:47.119
ceramic sounds so good and it's so easy
0:59:44.520,0:59:48.400
to use because I'll just tell you like
0:59:47.119,0:59:50.640
like you you're really good on a
0:59:48.400,0:59:53.039
friction call getting good loud sounding
0:59:50.640,0:59:55.000
y i for some reason I'm not as good as
0:59:53.039,0:59:57.240
most people with one just being honest
0:59:55.000,0:59:58.359
it's all in the B all in the
0:59:57.240,1:00:01.000
[Applause]
0:59:58.359,1:00:03.760
wrist but but that that ceramic call is
1:00:01.000,1:00:05.920
so easy to run so I'm those are my three
1:00:03.760,1:00:08.160
the wide V cut the H is H and the and
1:00:05.920,1:00:10.720
the ceramic so you're T you're taking
1:00:08.160,1:00:12.920
the wide V cut from the from that ghost
1:00:10.720,1:00:14.240
bur pack that you've used for years
1:00:12.920,1:00:16.799
because it's a you know you know you
1:00:14.240,1:00:18.799
love it now you're going to take a brand
1:00:16.799,1:00:21.480
new Batwing the heinous H out the spare
1:00:18.799,1:00:23.440
taker combo pack just because it sounds
1:00:21.480,1:00:26.280
that good to your ear and then plus the
1:00:23.440,1:00:29.480
brand new ceramic honey pot yes I think
1:00:26.280,1:00:32.240
you I think you'll tag out oh no doubt I
1:00:29.480,1:00:33.440
don't even question it what about I want
1:00:32.240,1:00:34.240
to ask you something real quick since
1:00:33.440,1:00:36.640
this is
1:00:34.240,1:00:39.280
a podcast for all people usually
1:00:36.640,1:00:40.720
listening to you the the whole you know
1:00:39.280,1:00:42.680
a lot of people are traveling to Turkey
1:00:40.720,1:00:45.240
hun I got a lot of buddies that you know
1:00:42.680,1:00:47.079
wanting to kill their first marry him
1:00:45.240,1:00:49.640
what just real quick because I know
1:00:47.079,1:00:51.640
you're on you know we got wrap it up
1:00:49.640,1:00:53.680
somebody that's hunted the East their
1:00:51.640,1:00:57.160
whole life and they're gonna go out west
1:00:53.680,1:01:00.160
y chasing turkeys watch just a couple of
1:00:57.160,1:01:03.520
tips you recommend to him couple tips I
1:01:00.160,1:01:07.240
would recommend is get onx maps and
1:01:03.520,1:01:08.680
start looking for places to hunt
1:01:07.240,1:01:11.039
everybody gets wrapped up think they got
1:01:08.680,1:01:13.480
to find private but what you need to do
1:01:11.039,1:01:15.839
is turn on your map layers and find
1:01:13.480,1:01:18.680
public ground there's tons of public
1:01:15.839,1:01:21.880
ground out there that can hold gobblers
1:01:18.680,1:01:25.200
do you some scouting on your onx Maps
1:01:21.880,1:01:26.839
find state ground National Forest BLM
1:01:25.200,1:01:28.680
any of those places that will allow
1:01:26.839,1:01:30.640
turkey hunting and go out there and
1:01:28.680,1:01:33.079
start scouting them it all goes back to
1:01:30.640,1:01:35.480
scouting uh anybody can go out there and
1:01:33.079,1:01:38.400
hunt these places we all own it we all
1:01:35.480,1:01:40.640
have the same um you know access to them
1:01:38.400,1:01:42.799
as anybody does so the number one thing
1:01:40.640,1:01:46.000
is I think is having good mapping like
1:01:42.799,1:01:48.640
onx maps and go find these places that
1:01:46.000,1:01:50.760
you C that you can hunt the second thing
1:01:48.640,1:01:53.279
is be prepared to
1:01:50.760,1:01:54.599
walk there's less birds out there than
1:01:53.279,1:01:57.319
there is in the East you're going to
1:01:54.599,1:02:00.000
cover more ground find less turkeys but
1:01:57.319,1:02:02.039
when you do find them a lot of times
1:02:00.000,1:02:05.480
they'll work like a dream if you're used
1:02:02.039,1:02:09.039
to hunting birds in the East okay so
1:02:05.480,1:02:11.240
that's my two top things is do some map
1:02:09.039,1:02:14.760
scouting with like onx maps that type of
1:02:11.240,1:02:16.599
stuff uh find that ground to hunt go in
1:02:14.760,1:02:17.799
there and try to usually if you're
1:02:16.599,1:02:19.319
traveling out there you don't have that
1:02:17.799,1:02:21.079
much time to do a lot of scouting you
1:02:19.319,1:02:24.880
just got to get out there and do what
1:02:21.079,1:02:26.880
you can um not necessarily scouting but
1:02:24.880,1:02:29.520
find those places hunt and see if you
1:02:26.880,1:02:32.400
can't find find Birds on them and then
1:02:29.520,1:02:34.119
you know put put the put the souls on
1:02:32.400,1:02:36.119
the ground get there and get to get to
1:02:34.119,1:02:37.240
walking and get to calling and and yeah
1:02:36.119,1:02:41.720
feel your
1:02:37.240,1:02:43.359
tag yeah sounds good Y and there's and I
1:02:41.720,1:02:45.200
tell you what if you're used to hunting
1:02:43.359,1:02:46.680
birds in the East if you ever go out to
1:02:45.200,1:02:48.720
the west and Hunt these Miriam's
1:02:46.680,1:02:52.720
gobblers it's worth doing it they a
1:02:48.720,1:02:54.799
sight to see um the gobble sound so will
1:02:52.720,1:02:56.960
sound so crazy to you that Miriam's
1:02:54.799,1:02:59.400
gobble compared to that booming Eastern
1:02:56.960,1:03:01.559
Goblin bird but like I said if you get
1:02:59.400,1:03:03.400
on them sometime you might find these
1:03:01.559,1:03:05.279
birds in these remote areas that's never
1:03:03.400,1:03:07.839
seen a human in their life or never
1:03:05.279,1:03:10.480
heard anything sound that that's making
1:03:07.839,1:03:12.680
turkey noises besides other turkeys so a
1:03:10.480,1:03:15.960
lot of times you can get on a bird and
1:03:12.680,1:03:17.680
one of these low pressure or no pressure
1:03:15.960,1:03:20.079
areas them things run right over top of
1:03:17.680,1:03:22.559
you it's it's a sight to see and usually
1:03:20.079,1:03:23.680
it's in some pretty spectacular country
1:03:22.559,1:03:26.760
as
1:03:23.680,1:03:28.160
well so I challenge everybody to go do
1:03:26.760,1:03:29.760
that at least once you love it
1:03:28.160,1:03:32.400
especially if you get into them well Bo
1:03:29.760,1:03:33.400
we appreciate you coming on and you guys
1:03:32.400,1:03:35.760
out there if you're looking for some
1:03:33.400,1:03:38.319
turkey calls please check out the Foxpro
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turkey call lineup gofoxpro.com we got
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what what you need I guarantee you'll
1:03:40.039,1:03:43.440
like them we hope everyone enjoyed this
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episode we hope you join us again right
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