The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 44: Using onX Hunt app for Turkey Hunting Success

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins discusses everything you need to know about e-scouting with Jared Larsen from onX Hunt.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls hello

 

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everyone I'm John Collins welcome back

 

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to the fox Pro podcast on this episode

 

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we're diving back into the onx hunt app

 

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we've got Jared Larson on the line of

 

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onx and we're going to discuss using the

 

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app for turkey hunting success a lot of

 

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this stuff we'll talk about wheel cross

 

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over whale for Coy hunting as well so

 

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we'll go ahead and get started with it

 

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how's it going Jared h doing well John

 

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like uh like you and most others in the

 

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country I think we're waiting on go uh

 

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you know it's been a it's been a crazy

 

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warm spring out here in Montana as as it

 

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has been you know across much of the

 

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country so um I'm sure there's birds

 

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getting cranked up well before they

 

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usually are and uh well I'm I'm dang

 

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ready to go sit to one and start yeling

 

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at them oh man it won't be long I just

 

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actually got back for uh from my last

 

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Coy hunting trip of the Year down in

 

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Texas and I had to drive down through

 

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Arkansas saw then on down in Texas this

 

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was like two weeks ago and man there was

 

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Red Buds popping everywhere I see there

 

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was Turkey strutting in the fields and

 

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places in Arkansas it had me fired up

 

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and of course soon as I get back it

 

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wasn't a couple mornings you know I

 

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actually live right here in the middle

 

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of some of the best turkey country in

 

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Kentucky there is and come out here on

 

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the back deck let my dog out to go use

 

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the bathroom all that stuff you know and

 

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hammering right right off the point

 

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right behind the house no kidding right

 

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off the house yeah actually saw two

 

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goers from the house this morning out

 

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here strutting so now are those are

 

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those long beards that are going to be

 

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in trouble come uh April 13th or yep you

 

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know it April I think April yeah it's

 

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always the Saturday closest to the 15th

 

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here in Kentucky I think it is the 13th

 

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this year but oh I believe you me I know

 

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it's the 13th because I'm coming to your

 

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state on the 12 to shoot one myself oh

 

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awesome what part of the state are you

 

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coming to do you know yeah so we're

 

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gonna we're I'm actually going to uh be

 

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running around the Daniel Boon National

 

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Forest there um not not too far from

 

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like Wellington Kentucky is is kind of

 

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my plan of attack right now you know of

 

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of course as I'm sure you've experienced

 

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many times you know plan a doesn't

 

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always necessarily work out so we got

 

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some B and C spots marked on the Old

 

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Hunt app and um you know it's just

 

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something that I try to do every year

 

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with with my dad um you know we just

 

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pick a new state and uh and and head her

 

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down meet up and and let her rip see if

 

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we can't find a turkey um and so

 

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Kentucky kind of just was uh was that

 

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state that we landed on this year

 

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neither of us have ever hunted the state

 

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of Kentucky so looking forward to

 

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running around down there running the

 

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the big timbered hills of Appalachia

 

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trying to see if we can find some long

 

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beards yeah you know I it's a I think

 

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it's a perfect thing to start off with

 

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with this with this podcast you know uh

 

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one of the things about onx Maps is you

 

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can find places to hunt in every single

 

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state there is and one thing about

 

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Kentucky a lot of people don't realize

 

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we actually have over a million Acres of

 

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public land here in the state of

 

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Kentucky and the Daniel Bo National

 

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Forest that you're talking about I think

 

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there's

 

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640,000 Acres of it it's right here in

 

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this state so there's plenty of turkey

 

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hunting opportunities for everybody out

 

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there that wants to come hunt Kentucky

 

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because you know you can hunt every bit

 

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of Daniel Bo National Force and it's all

 

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pretty good turkey country I mean it's

 

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hit or miss you got to get in that right

 

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section of it but there's birds there

 

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for

 

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sure yeah and and like you said that's

 

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the beauty of the Hun app you know I I

 

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think in a lot of places across the

 

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country turkeys turkeys are pocketed

 

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populations you'll find a bunch of them

 

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you know in one area might drive 20

 

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miles down the road and it might be a

 

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ghost land but you know that's where the

 

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Hun app really comes into play and and

 

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as I mentioned you know we kind of have

 

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an an a spot where we intend to to start

 

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out and try to find some birds but at

 

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the end of the day if if we don't find a

 

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goblin turkey in the first day day and a

 

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half that's uh it's a really easy way to

 

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pick up and move to a be spot a c spot

 

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and using the hunt app it just allows

 

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you to be you know of Paramount

 

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confidence that you are hunting on

 

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property that is that is legal for you

 

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to be hunting on if that's public or

 

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also gives you the confidence to go

 

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knock on a door if you see a strut and

 

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turkey to ask that landowner for

 

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permission um and really just create a

 

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game plan for for each day's turkey hunt

 

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I think that's another thing that's

 

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overlooked a lot of times by folks you

 

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know they get up and they just walk out

 

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to a knob and start listening for

 

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gobbles but I think just a little bit of

 

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planning and looking at a map and and

 

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creating a plan of attack for each

 

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morning that you're heading out can be a

 

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great benefit to uh being more efficient

 

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with the time you have to spend out in

 

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the Spring Woods oh no no doubt so is is

 

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Kentucky a new state for you to try to

 

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hunt this year or have you been here in

 

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a year you know previous years never

 

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never been to Kentucky and you know I I

 

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I certainly am not quote unquote chasing

 

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49 by any means but you know I think

 

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that's the beauty of turkey hunting is

 

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it is a it's a critter that's easy to

 

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pursue in many many different states on

 

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public land um you know they they don't

 

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have the I mean they have critical

 

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habitat needs of course but it's not

 

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like trying to to hunt down a mature

 

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white tail on public land or you know

 

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trying to trying to get permission for

 

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that type of situation turkeys are just

 

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much more um adaptable and and again you

 

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can cover some ground and go find them

 

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so that's something I always try to do

 

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every year is hit one or two new States

 

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because at the end of the day that's

 

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that's really where I get my most

 

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enjoyment out of it is exploring new

 

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country uh seeing new places um you know

 

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and like last year I hunted North

 

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Carolina for the first time is where my

 

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old man and I went and I mean of my 20

 

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years of turkey hunting that's been my

 

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favorite hunt I've ever been on um and

 

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so just just hopping to new places uh

 

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with people that are important to me is

 

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is kind of my Paramount goal every

 

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spring you know spend some spend some

 

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quality time in the Spring Woods yes sir

 

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I mean it's one of my favorite times of

 

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year I mean you only have just a few

 

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weeks to chase these hard Goblin long

 

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beard so you might as well make the best

 

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of it right 100% it goes by all too

 

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quickly and you know that's really my

 

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favorite thing about about spring is

 

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turkey season it's it's kind of uh it's

 

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a relaxing style of hunt as compared to

 

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so much of the other Pursuits that I

 

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take part in anyway whether that's

 

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chasing elk you know chasing white tails

 

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or or other big game you know if I if I

 

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botch it on a turkey and I get busted or

 

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I miss one or you know it's it's a

 

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couple minutes of frustration and

 

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cussing myself out but you know then

 

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it's on to the next it's not like

 

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missing a mature white tail or a bowl

 

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that you call in where you probably are

 

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only gonna get one opportunity a season

 

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um so just just the ability to kind of

 

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rest relax and really just enjoy it um

 

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that's something I always cherish spring

 

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chasing turkeys yes sir totally totally

 

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agree with you and and and just going

 

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right off you coming to Kentucky for the

 

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first time like when you're come when

 

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you hunt a state For the First Time new

 

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state to you uh like in the map layers

 

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on an onx map what map players are you

 

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making sure you turn on like what do you

 

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I know you've been scouting onx like

 

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crazy just because it's going to be your

 

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first time coming coming to Kentucky

 

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what all have you got turned on on that

 

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app yeah so I mean the first spot that I

 

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started is is really just trying to

 

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identify turkey habitat and so for me

 

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turkey habitat is really all about

 

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finding those Edge areas those

 

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transition areas people use those terms

 

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interchangeably but where multiple

 

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habitat types come together you know it

 

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almost creates a a mosaic of habitat

 

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types if you will when you look at a map

 

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so the coniferous versus deciduous layer

 

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I find to be super helpful and that is

 

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under the trees crops in cover folder um

 

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and all that is doing is it's just

 

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allowing me to find areas where there

 

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are those Edge habitat types where pine

 

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trees coming coming to meet hardwood

 

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trees which just again creates that that

 

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edge habitat and then if I can find

 

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those areas that have those edges of of

 

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hard and soft Woods if I can find water

 

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in close proximity whether that's a big

 

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creek drainage or a pond or a lake

 

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system um and then some open areas uh

 

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you know I think we all know turkeys

 

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really rely on their eyesight as their

 

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most Keen of their senses and so they

 

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really enjoy to have some open areas

 

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where they can see they feel safe they

 

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can strut and gather those hens so those

 

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are the things I'm really looking for um

 

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using the hunt app is the coniferous

 

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versus deciduous layer I also really

 

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like the Wetland habitats layer I grew

 

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up in Wisconsin um and you know right on

 

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the Horicon Marsh which is the largest

 

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Cattail Marsh in North America and so

 

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growing up I haunted a lot a lot of

 

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swamp gobblers honestly um so again

 

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finding those Edge habitats where you

 

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get some swampy you know lend wet stuff

 

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that meets uh egg field edges or or

 

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Timber edges uh again to me it's all

 

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about finding those edges where deer

 

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turkeys coyotes you know all of those

 

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Critters that we love to hunt are pretty

 

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Edge oriented animals um and so just

 

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being able to find those diverse

 

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habitats it's honestly pretty easy on

 

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onx to find where those habitat types

 

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are converging and then what I always do

 

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um is when I am e scouting I'm always

 

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dropping way points um but when you're

 

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always dropping way points I think it's

 

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Paramount that you go in with a little

 

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bit of a a strategy and so what I do

 

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with my way points is every single year

 

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I have a color that my way points are

 

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going to be so 2022 all my way points

 

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were black 2023 all my way points were

 

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purple 2024 they're all be yellow um but

 

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all of my e scouting way points that I

 

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have done since I've had the hunt app

 

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for the last nine years they're always

 

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white um and so you know if I'm dropping

 

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white pins that immediately tells to me

 

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I've never been there this is just

 

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somewhere I've looked on the map um but

 

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it gives me starting points across a new

 

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landscape as far as you know I think

 

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this listening point is going to be a

 

0:10:22.680,0:10:27.120

great spot to hear gobble or you know

 

0:10:25.079,0:10:28.760

this access point is a little bit more

 

0:10:27.120,0:10:30.760

secluded than most of the other ones

 

0:10:28.760,0:10:32.800

let's let's try TR starting here so I

 

0:10:30.760,0:10:34.839

think really just breaking down habitat

 

0:10:32.800,0:10:36.839

on your map and then starting to put

 

0:10:34.839,0:10:39.240

together a plan of I want to hit this

 

0:10:36.839,0:10:41.079

spot this spot in this spot on day one

 

0:10:39.240,0:10:43.200

to see what I can find for turkey sign

 

0:10:41.079,0:10:45.279

in this area because ultimately if you

 

0:10:43.200,0:10:46.880

show up on day one and you put your boot

 

0:10:45.279,0:10:48.360

leather to the ground and you're not

 

0:10:46.880,0:10:50.399

finding turkey sign you're not hearing

 

0:10:48.360,0:10:52.079

gobbles well then it's pretty easy to

 

0:10:50.399,0:10:54.560

understand that I need to go find a

 

0:10:52.079,0:10:56.240

different location look at the app find

 

0:10:54.560,0:10:58.760

my next set of white way points that

 

0:10:56.240,0:11:00.880

I've identified some some key areas that

 

0:10:58.760,0:11:02.360

have the that should hold turkeys and

 

0:11:00.880,0:11:04.120

and keep moving so that's kind of been

 

0:11:02.360,0:11:06.680

my plan of attack as I've started to do

 

0:11:04.120,0:11:08.200

some of my e scouting at home right well

 

0:11:06.680,0:11:09.800

I'm glad you mention the way points

 

0:11:08.200,0:11:13.360

because I actually had that on here to

 

0:11:09.800,0:11:15.600

mention uh because man you like color

 

0:11:13.360,0:11:19.079

coding your way points you know if you

 

0:11:15.600,0:11:20.360

look at my onx maps all the like coyote

 

0:11:19.079,0:11:23.360

stands you know I got them marked with

 

0:11:20.360,0:11:25.440

the with the c the the coyote marker you

 

0:11:23.360,0:11:29.480

know and man there's just little red

 

0:11:25.440,0:11:30.480

coyotes dotted all across the country

 

0:11:29.480,0:11:31.880

and they're really right here in

 

0:11:30.480,0:11:33.839

Kentucky right here in Central kentucky

 

0:11:31.880,0:11:36.160

where I do a lot of my hunting and the

 

0:11:33.839,0:11:37.680

thing was I might got to where I was

 

0:11:36.160,0:11:41.160

marking stuff like where I would see a

 

0:11:37.680,0:11:43.440

CO or new properties to hunt old stands

 

0:11:41.160,0:11:45.519

where I would hear and locate Couts and

 

0:11:43.440,0:11:47.240

but they were all the same color marker

 

0:11:45.519,0:11:48.560

and finally I had I got to do something

 

0:11:47.240,0:11:50.440

different so I went in and started

 

0:11:48.560,0:11:52.519

having like you said color coding stuff

 

0:11:50.440,0:11:55.240

I would have you know Blue cows for that

 

0:11:52.519,0:11:58.279

would mean some one thing red ones meant

 

0:11:55.240,0:11:59.639

others and so there's so many other

 

0:11:58.279,0:12:01.040

things you can do with set getting these

 

0:11:59.639,0:12:02.560

way points I mean I use it for

 

0:12:01.040,0:12:04.360

everything it's for predator hunting

 

0:12:02.560,0:12:07.200

turkey hunting deer hunting I'm marking

 

0:12:04.360,0:12:09.760

tree stand locations entry points

 

0:12:07.200,0:12:12.560

feeding sites mineral sites you know

 

0:12:09.760,0:12:16.519

where I've got my trail cameras it's I

 

0:12:12.560,0:12:18.079

mean I've my Onyx Maps looks like a i

 

0:12:16.519,0:12:19.680

man I don't know how to describe it it's

 

0:12:18.079,0:12:22.720

it's pretty colorful let's put it that

 

0:12:19.680,0:12:24.079

way yeah you you and me both and so like

 

0:12:22.720,0:12:26.040

I think that's really where it comes

 

0:12:24.079,0:12:27.920

into play is is having a strategy

 

0:12:26.040,0:12:30.040

whether that's a color by year or color

 

0:12:27.920,0:12:32.240

by species something that's going to be

 

0:12:30.040,0:12:34.800

meaningful to you and then really using

 

0:12:32.240,0:12:37.839

our folder organization system is has

 

0:12:34.800,0:12:40.040

been super helpful um to help declutter

 

0:12:37.839,0:12:42.839

the map because you can you can pretty

 

0:12:40.040,0:12:45.360

seamlessly add a bulk amount of

 

0:12:42.839,0:12:47.560

waypoints into a folder um once you

 

0:12:45.360,0:12:49.680

create a folder it's going to allow you

 

0:12:47.560,0:12:52.360

to to add content to that folder and

 

0:12:49.680,0:12:54.120

then you can select you know all of the

 

0:12:52.360,0:12:56.639

content that is currently shown on your

 

0:12:54.120,0:12:59.480

map whether that's two waypoints or 100

 

0:12:56.639,0:13:01.639

waypoints 10 tracks and nine lines um

 

0:12:59.480,0:13:03.320

you can just hit select all add it to

 

0:13:01.639,0:13:05.680

that folder and then what that's going

 

0:13:03.320,0:13:08.920

to allow you to do is you can seamlessly

 

0:13:05.680,0:13:11.240

turn that folder's content on and off so

 

0:13:08.920,0:13:13.880

that way you can declutter your map

 

0:13:11.240,0:13:16.320

screen um by just simply turning that

 

0:13:13.880,0:13:18.360

folder off which makes all those data

 

0:13:16.320,0:13:20.320

points invisible um obviously you can

 

0:13:18.360,0:13:22.560

turn that on at any time but really

 

0:13:20.320,0:13:25.240

using the organization within the hunt

 

0:13:22.560,0:13:28.800

app it takes a little bit of time to get

 

0:13:25.240,0:13:31.320

started and get going um but once once

 

0:13:28.800,0:13:34.600

you've been invested into it it's going

 

0:13:31.320,0:13:37.399

to greatly help you be more organized

 

0:13:34.600,0:13:40.000

and that way every single data point has

 

0:13:37.399,0:13:41.959

has meaningful value to you because like

 

0:13:40.000,0:13:44.360

you you know I spent plenty of time just

 

0:13:41.959,0:13:46.440

dropping red xway points you know

 

0:13:44.360,0:13:48.440

whether that was nine years ago or two

 

0:13:46.440,0:13:50.000

years ago and doesn't really matter a

 

0:13:48.440,0:13:52.480

lot of times when I look back on it I'm

 

0:13:50.000,0:13:54.800

like what what the hell does that red x

 

0:13:52.480,0:13:56.680

mean exactly exactly I was pretty

 

0:13:54.800,0:13:58.040

onedimensional with it so I had to do

 

0:13:56.680,0:14:01.600

something with

 

0:13:58.040,0:14:03.720

organization yep yep so spending the

 

0:14:01.600,0:14:05.600

extra 10 seconds to add a custom icon

 

0:14:03.720,0:14:07.000

and custom color definitely recommend

 

0:14:05.600,0:14:08.680

doing that when you're uh when you're

 

0:14:07.000,0:14:11.079

out there marking up your mouth oh for

 

0:14:08.680,0:14:12.839

sure and it's just like you know turkey

 

0:14:11.079,0:14:14.360

season coming on already doing turkey

 

0:14:12.839,0:14:16.480

scouting here getting out and listening

 

0:14:14.360,0:14:18.560

for birds and and all that type of stuff

 

0:14:16.480,0:14:21.279

you know I've got stuff marked where I

 

0:14:18.560,0:14:23.959

where I go listen for for turkeys I got

 

0:14:21.279,0:14:26.320

spots marked where I'm hearing Birds

 

0:14:23.959,0:14:28.399

gobble and I know here after they get

 

0:14:26.320,0:14:31.040

their uh strut zones you know

 

0:14:28.399,0:14:34.199

established be marking those locations

 

0:14:31.040,0:14:35.880

as well so definitely a lot of tools you

 

0:14:34.199,0:14:37.959

can take advantage of when it comes to

 

0:14:35.880,0:14:39.480

way points and listen guys just like we

 

0:14:37.959,0:14:41.519

was talking about it's easy to get

 

0:14:39.480,0:14:44.000

overwhelmed with just the same exact

 

0:14:41.519,0:14:47.040

point way point that you're marking uh

 

0:14:44.000,0:14:49.079

on your onx map there's there's a lot of

 

0:14:47.040,0:14:50.480

ways here you can organize to be uh very

 

0:14:49.079,0:14:53.759

helpful for

 

0:14:50.480,0:14:55.920

yourself 100% And you know you bring up

 

0:14:53.759,0:14:58.399

you know finding those those habitual

 

0:14:55.920,0:15:01.240

strut zones of birds and that brings me

 

0:14:58.399,0:15:03.399

to to doing turkey drives I love nothing

 

0:15:01.240,0:15:05.560

more than than taking a spring drive on

 

0:15:03.399,0:15:07.480

a Sunday morning with a hot thermos of

 

0:15:05.560,0:15:09.279

coffee and and going out and looking for

 

0:15:07.480,0:15:11.440

birds that are out in field strutting

 

0:15:09.279,0:15:13.040

around and just getting the lay land on

 

0:15:11.440,0:15:15.079

what they're doing and I don't know if

 

0:15:13.040,0:15:18.560

you have a rig that's carplay compatible

 

0:15:15.079,0:15:20.920

but boy the the old carplay and on X's

 

0:15:18.560,0:15:23.320

integration into it sure has made

 

0:15:20.920,0:15:25.560

scouting from the truck a lot more

 

0:15:23.320,0:15:27.440

enjoyable and and frankly a lot safer

 

0:15:25.560,0:15:29.399

because I'm not staring at my phone the

 

0:15:27.440,0:15:31.759

whole time so that's another thing that

 

0:15:29.399,0:15:33.480

I'll certainly be doing as uh as we get

 

0:15:31.759,0:15:35.600

a little bit closer to opening day out

 

0:15:33.480,0:15:37.680

here in Montana is hopping in the truck

 

0:15:35.600,0:15:39.399

and I always just turn my tracker on

 

0:15:37.680,0:15:41.639

when I'm going on those scouting drives

 

0:15:39.399,0:15:43.600

that way I know exactly what roads I

 

0:15:41.639,0:15:46.680

drove down and and as importantly what

 

0:15:43.600,0:15:48.199

ones I didn't drive down um and so just

 

0:15:46.680,0:15:50.000

another really great tool when you're

 

0:15:48.199,0:15:52.120

out scouting before the season in your

 

0:15:50.000,0:15:55.079

truck turn your tracker on throw the

 

0:15:52.120,0:15:57.440

carplay on on your LCD Dash and uh and

 

0:15:55.079,0:15:59.920

go find some birds I tell you another

 

0:15:57.440,0:16:01.680

good good uh feature it's a great

 

0:15:59.920,0:16:03.839

feature actually just like you guys are

 

0:16:01.680,0:16:07.639

coming to Kentucky for the first time

 

0:16:03.839,0:16:09.399

you say you got plan a and plan B plan C

 

0:16:07.639,0:16:11.440

well just like say if you need a plan D

 

0:16:09.399,0:16:14.959

y'all just striking out you know what I

 

0:16:11.440,0:16:17.160

mean Y and say I get slow here or or not

 

0:16:14.959,0:16:19.279

taking many people I can actually share

 

0:16:17.160,0:16:21.240

way points with you guys where you all

 

0:16:19.279,0:16:23.560

can come a couple counties over and

 

0:16:21.240,0:16:25.040

share you some way points for uh private

 

0:16:23.560,0:16:26.920

ground you know that I've got marked

 

0:16:25.040,0:16:28.639

that I've got access to turkey hunt on

 

0:16:26.920,0:16:31.480

that I can let other people's other

 

0:16:28.639,0:16:33.560

people turkey hunt I can share those way

 

0:16:31.480,0:16:36.560

points with you where those listening

 

0:16:33.560,0:16:38.199

points those strut zones those roof

 

0:16:36.560,0:16:40.600

sites and all that stuff and you guys

 

0:16:38.199,0:16:42.360

can come in here and already have a head

 

0:16:40.600,0:16:45.000

start on knowing exactly where these

 

0:16:42.360,0:16:47.480

turkeys are going to be in the mornings

 

0:16:45.000,0:16:50.639

and where you need to listen from to to

 

0:16:47.480,0:16:52.199

find gobblers and all that type of stuff

 

0:16:50.639,0:16:54.800

well that there makes you one hell of a

 

0:16:52.199,0:16:56.959

friend John because if I'm getting

 

0:16:54.800,0:16:59.680

turkey way points on roof locations and

 

0:16:56.959,0:17:02.480

strutting gobblers that's uh that's one

 

0:16:59.680,0:17:04.679

heck of a handicap to start with so

 

0:17:02.480,0:17:06.199

definitely be hearing from me here in a

 

0:17:04.679,0:17:08.240

month me and my old man are on The

 

0:17:06.199,0:17:10.439

Struggle Bus that's right hey like I

 

0:17:08.240,0:17:11.880

said that plan C or D if it's following

 

0:17:10.439,0:17:14.439

through holler at me it's just like you

 

0:17:11.880,0:17:15.839

know uh lot the guys from the office

 

0:17:14.439,0:17:18.280

they love the turkey hunt they come down

 

0:17:15.839,0:17:20.720

here to to Kentucky and Hunt every

 

0:17:18.280,0:17:22.799

single year so we'll always run like two

 

0:17:20.720,0:17:24.959

or three teams out turkey hunting trying

 

0:17:22.799,0:17:26.199

to film film turkey I'm the one does all

 

0:17:24.959,0:17:27.559

the scouting because this is where I

 

0:17:26.199,0:17:30.400

live the rest of the guys are from

 

0:17:27.559,0:17:32.400

Pennsylvania so they get here they get

 

0:17:30.400,0:17:34.880

here just the day before season and I've

 

0:17:32.400,0:17:37.000

got everything scouted out I share these

 

0:17:34.880,0:17:39.320

way points with them and share these

 

0:17:37.000,0:17:41.320

phots and they can you know they've got

 

0:17:39.320,0:17:43.640

the scouting done for them they know you

 

0:17:41.320,0:17:46.520

know they know the strut zones they know

 

0:17:43.640,0:17:49.320

the spots I listen from they know these

 

0:17:46.520,0:17:51.039

roof sites and stuff like that so it's a

 

0:17:49.320,0:17:53.880

it's that's a huge

 

0:17:51.039,0:17:57.320

help no doubt so what what do you have

 

0:17:53.880,0:17:59.559

on your docket for this spring John well

 

0:17:57.320,0:18:02.159

definitely right here in Kentucky

 

0:17:59.559,0:18:04.600

uh will probably go to Tennessee we've

 

0:18:02.159,0:18:06.720

been to Tennessee a few times Tennessee

 

0:18:04.600,0:18:08.559

used to open up a lot earlier than us

 

0:18:06.720,0:18:10.400

you know they opened up uh a couple

 

0:18:08.559,0:18:13.120

weeks ahead of us right there I guess it

 

0:18:10.400,0:18:15.080

was April 1st so I always took advantage

 

0:18:13.120,0:18:17.559

of that to go down and hunt hunt those

 

0:18:15.080,0:18:19.240

birds you know to kind of you know you

 

0:18:17.559,0:18:20.360

know how how it is you get chomping at

 

0:18:19.240,0:18:21.960

the [ __ ] you want to hit one of those

 

0:18:20.360,0:18:24.679

early States just like you're fixing to

 

0:18:21.960,0:18:26.760

do with Kentucky so I would no doubt

 

0:18:24.679,0:18:28.320

always hunt Tennessee I did not hunt it

 

0:18:26.760,0:18:30.559

last year because they backed it up it

 

0:18:28.320,0:18:32.400

actually start same time as kuy does now

 

0:18:30.559,0:18:35.000

so I'm actually going to hunt it later

 

0:18:32.400,0:18:37.840

in the month so I'll hunt Kentucky go to

 

0:18:35.000,0:18:39.640

Tennessee and then I'll probably go out

 

0:18:37.840,0:18:41.919

west somewhere I love those Western

 

0:18:39.640,0:18:43.520

Birds I love the miams I've actually got

 

0:18:41.919,0:18:46.440

a brother that lives in

 

0:18:43.520,0:18:47.919

Wyoming and uh I didn't get get out

 

0:18:46.440,0:18:49.360

there last year to hunt with him so I'm

 

0:18:47.919,0:18:51.679

going to try to make it a point maybe

 

0:18:49.360,0:18:54.720

sometime in May go see if I can't find

 

0:18:51.679,0:19:00.320

me a either a a Wyoming or a South

 

0:18:54.720,0:19:02.640

Dakota Miriam's gobler so so yeah do you

 

0:19:00.320,0:19:05.159

uh do you have a favorite subspecies of

 

0:19:02.640,0:19:07.640

gobbler or so long as it's a gobbling

 

0:19:05.159,0:19:09.960

turkey you're you're smiling uh pretty

 

0:19:07.640,0:19:12.600

much uh you know I'm I like them all

 

0:19:09.960,0:19:14.640

about the same tell you the truth I let

 

0:19:12.600,0:19:17.120

me back up I guess the Easterns do hold

 

0:19:14.640,0:19:18.880

a a soft spot there because you know

 

0:19:17.120,0:19:22.360

that's what I grew up hunting that's

 

0:19:18.880,0:19:24.360

what I've hunted the most um they're you

 

0:19:22.360,0:19:27.760

know I like how aggressive they are in

 

0:19:24.360,0:19:29.919

my state how loud and booming of a

 

0:19:27.760,0:19:32.080

gobble they have so I guess probably

 

0:19:29.919,0:19:33.440

Easterns would be my favorite then I

 

0:19:32.080,0:19:35.559

would probably have to say the second

 

0:19:33.440,0:19:38.200

would be the mirams and I think a lot of

 

0:19:35.559,0:19:40.600

it for me is where I'm in Kentucky and

 

0:19:38.200,0:19:44.720

go to these Western States usually the

 

0:19:40.600,0:19:46.679

uh the the terrain uh the landscape is

 

0:19:44.720,0:19:48.280

so different and plus the turkey itself

 

0:19:46.679,0:19:50.120

is a lot different just the the

 

0:19:48.280,0:19:52.919

different sounding gobble everybody

 

0:19:50.120,0:19:54.440

knows that oh man and it's just you know

 

0:19:52.919,0:19:56.200

I I do look forward to going out there

 

0:19:54.440,0:19:59.679

and hunting that so it's probably

 

0:19:56.200,0:20:02.039

Eastern and then mariam's number two

 

0:19:59.679,0:20:03.919

yeah and how do you uh how do you change

 

0:20:02.039,0:20:06.000

up your tactics if you're hunting miams

 

0:20:03.919,0:20:08.720

versus Easterns you know whether that be

 

0:20:06.000,0:20:11.440

from a calling standpoint or just your

 

0:20:08.720,0:20:13.080

your hunt strategy in general um because

 

0:20:11.440,0:20:15.320

I certainly know mine are a little bit

 

0:20:13.080,0:20:16.440

different how do you operate in Wyoming

 

0:20:15.320,0:20:19.360

that'd be different than how you're

 

0:20:16.440,0:20:22.000

operating in Kentucky well probably the

 

0:20:19.360,0:20:24.120

biggest difference is is I put a lot

 

0:20:22.000,0:20:26.600

more time in

 

0:20:24.120,0:20:29.480

hiking when I go to the western state so

 

0:20:26.600,0:20:31.760

that's number one is I spend you know we

 

0:20:29.480,0:20:34.440

we'll wear out a pair of boots out there

 

0:20:31.760,0:20:35.960

uh the turkey numbers just aren't as

 

0:20:34.440,0:20:39.559

prevalent as they are here in the state

 

0:20:35.960,0:20:42.400

of Kentucky uh far as gobler per acre I

 

0:20:39.559,0:20:44.640

guess you could say and uh it's one of

 

0:20:42.400,0:20:46.640

those things what we found in that

 

0:20:44.640,0:20:48.240

Wyoming Country the spots you know we go

 

0:20:46.640,0:20:49.880

back and Hunt these same spots year

 

0:20:48.240,0:20:53.679

after year after year that we found on

 

0:20:49.880,0:20:55.400

state ground and you know BLM and in

 

0:20:53.679,0:20:57.480

spots like that that we found through

 

0:20:55.400,0:20:58.840

onx and got them marked we'll go back to

 

0:20:57.480,0:21:00.919

those same spots every year you know we

 

0:20:58.840,0:21:03.120

don't get to do any scouting besides on

 

0:21:00.919,0:21:04.960

the map get out there and just hopefully

 

0:21:03.120,0:21:06.600

the birds are there and luckily it's

 

0:21:04.960,0:21:08.559

worked out for us sometimes we got to

 

0:21:06.600,0:21:10.400

search a little harder once we get into

 

0:21:08.559,0:21:13.720

that uh either that piece of state or

 

0:21:10.400,0:21:15.480

BLM or whatever it may be uh but but the

 

0:21:13.720,0:21:18.480

tactic is is just get out there and just

 

0:21:15.480,0:21:20.440

try to get one struck uh the thing is

 

0:21:18.480,0:21:24.080

when we do strike a bird out there like

 

0:21:20.440,0:21:27.880

that W alen country it seems like they

 

0:21:24.080,0:21:30.919

work phenomenal because some of these

 

0:21:27.880,0:21:33.320

places we go or are definitely less

 

0:21:30.919,0:21:35.440

known type areas it's kind of some spots

 

0:21:33.320,0:21:36.840

you would never think of for for turkeys

 

0:21:35.440,0:21:38.440

I ain't going to tell everybody too much

 

0:21:36.840,0:21:41.440

CU I don't want yall looking from a way

 

0:21:38.440,0:21:43.360

points there in Wyoming but when you do

 

0:21:41.440,0:21:45.520

find these birds I mean they'll about

 

0:21:43.360,0:21:47.640

run over top of you you can be real

 

0:21:45.520,0:21:49.520

aggressive with your calling I will say

 

0:21:47.640,0:21:52.600

that's probably the biggest difference

 

0:21:49.520,0:21:55.279

in what I do out there versus here I'll

 

0:21:52.600,0:21:57.840

actually call Less in Kentucky and

 

0:21:55.279,0:21:59.679

Tennessee uh just because you know these

 

0:21:57.840,0:22:00.919

birds here probably H other Hunters

 

0:21:59.679,0:22:03.000

especially after you get on into the

 

0:22:00.919,0:22:05.720

season but these little little sweet

 

0:22:03.000,0:22:07.039

spots we got in Wyoming I'm pretty sure

 

0:22:05.720,0:22:09.480

we're the only people it's ever went

 

0:22:07.039,0:22:10.840

there and hunted these turkeys so we can

 

0:22:09.480,0:22:12.279

really pour the sound to them and they

 

0:22:10.840,0:22:13.480

just come run right over top of you

 

0:22:12.279,0:22:15.240

because I don't even think they've ever

 

0:22:13.480,0:22:17.840

seen a human

 

0:22:15.240,0:22:20.039

before well I love I love a turkey that

 

0:22:17.840,0:22:21.640

tries to run me over that's for sure and

 

0:22:20.039,0:22:23.360

I I think that goes back to the

 

0:22:21.640,0:22:25.159

importance of making to your dropping

 

0:22:23.360,0:22:27.600

way points because just as you said in

 

0:22:25.159,0:22:30.039

Wyoming there typically you know if you

 

0:22:27.600,0:22:34.440

got on a goblin bird whether that was in

 

0:22:30.039,0:22:36.240

2016 2020 or whenever it was if you go

 

0:22:34.440,0:22:37.840

back to that same spot this year more

 

0:22:36.240,0:22:40.159

than likely there's going to be another

 

0:22:37.840,0:22:42.480

Goblin bird there so long as the habitat

 

0:22:40.159,0:22:45.039

has remained unchanged and you know they

 

0:22:42.480,0:22:46.760

have all of their needs fulfilled you

 

0:22:45.039,0:22:48.279

know you could shoot a gobler there go

 

0:22:46.760,0:22:49.880

back in there the next year and you're

 

0:22:48.279,0:22:51.600

probably going to be W on your way to

 

0:22:49.880,0:22:54.080

another another good hunt so I think

 

0:22:51.600,0:22:55.760

that's another important factor as far

 

0:22:54.080,0:22:57.120

as dropping way points is just going to

 

0:22:55.760,0:22:59.799

make you more efficient and more

 

0:22:57.120,0:23:03.080

successful in future years oh yeah I

 

0:22:59.799,0:23:04.720

will say we have gotten trouble a little

 

0:23:03.080,0:23:07.080

bit in South Dakota with throwing too

 

0:23:04.720,0:23:09.279

much sound out there you know we've

 

0:23:07.080,0:23:11.520

sometimes we'll tag a bird in in Wyoming

 

0:23:09.279,0:23:13.600

pretty quick and you know we can be in

 

0:23:11.520,0:23:16.400

South Dakota in just a few hours and go

 

0:23:13.600,0:23:18.159

up and hunt the Black Hills and as

 

0:23:16.400,0:23:19.919

everyone knows the Black Hills in South

 

0:23:18.159,0:23:22.559

Dakota is a little bit more well known

 

0:23:19.919,0:23:24.679

for for trying to find a Miriam's gobler

 

0:23:22.559,0:23:26.600

and if you find them up there you might

 

0:23:24.679,0:23:27.960

not want to pour as much sound to those

 

0:23:26.600,0:23:28.960

birds because they've probably been

 

0:23:27.960,0:23:30.840

called to

 

0:23:28.960,0:23:32.679

I've gotten trouble doing that up there

 

0:23:30.840,0:23:34.360

I've I've had Birds shut up on me pretty

 

0:23:32.679,0:23:36.760

quick being too aggressive with those

 

0:23:34.360,0:23:39.960

South Dakota South Dakota

 

0:23:36.760,0:23:42.240

Birds yeah I've uh I've hunted the Black

 

0:23:39.960,0:23:44.159

Hills of South Dakota once before myself

 

0:23:42.240,0:23:47.159

and I I too got whooped I didn't have

 

0:23:44.159,0:23:49.400

much time to be there but boy so often

 

0:23:47.159,0:23:51.039

those those mirams you know you're

 

0:23:49.400,0:23:52.880

you're oftentimes at least in my

 

0:23:51.039,0:23:54.279

experience playing a border game you

 

0:23:52.880,0:23:57.400

know you're you're hunting right on the

 

0:23:54.279,0:23:59.799

edge of of a piece of private um you

 

0:23:57.400,0:24:02.200

know for for lack of better term a lot

 

0:23:59.799,0:24:04.039

of times those miams get coined as Yard

 

0:24:02.200,0:24:05.799

Birds you know bouncing around bird

 

0:24:04.039,0:24:08.400

feeders and roosting right behind

 

0:24:05.799,0:24:10.080

somebody's house and um so so often

 

0:24:08.400,0:24:12.279

that's a game you got to play and and

 

0:24:10.080,0:24:14.880

boy you talk about a situation where

 

0:24:12.279,0:24:17.840

you'd be hard pressed to successfully

 

0:24:14.880,0:24:19.919

hunt them without onx or at least

 

0:24:17.840,0:24:22.200

successfully hunt them while staying

 

0:24:19.919,0:24:24.440

legal without onx is is when you're

 

0:24:22.200,0:24:26.200

getting into those those Yard Birds

 

0:24:24.440,0:24:29.320

where there's not necessarily a fence

 

0:24:26.200,0:24:31.279

that denotes that private property um

 

0:24:29.320,0:24:33.440

but but yeah that's uh that's certainly

 

0:24:31.279,0:24:35.600

a game that I play all too often when

 

0:24:33.440,0:24:37.799

hunting out west is is trying to call

 

0:24:35.600,0:24:40.120

those suckers out of a out of a five

 

0:24:37.799,0:24:41.720

acre horse corral or or out of

 

0:24:40.120,0:24:44.799

somebody's bird feeder and getting them

 

0:24:41.720,0:24:47.159

on the public but certainly uh can can

 

0:24:44.799,0:24:49.080

be an easy way to get on birds when

 

0:24:47.159,0:24:51.080

you're just hunting those borders and

 

0:24:49.080,0:24:54.679

and really playing off of whether it be

 

0:24:51.080,0:24:56.640

cattle or a horse carral or um those

 

0:24:54.679,0:24:59.279

those miams sure know how to find a

 

0:24:56.640,0:25:01.279

barnyard oh good girl I tell you what

 

0:24:59.279,0:25:04.039

and that's a good point too especially

 

0:25:01.279,0:25:05.520

with scouting with with the onx maps if

 

0:25:04.039,0:25:07.559

you want to go hunt with those Western

 

0:25:05.520,0:25:10.840

States for turkeys like the Black Hills

 

0:25:07.559,0:25:13.279

or any of that type stuff if you do look

 

0:25:10.840,0:25:15.240

at my onx maps you will see these places

 

0:25:13.279,0:25:17.760

that I have marked gobblers out in that

 

0:25:15.240,0:25:21.080

type of country a lot of times it

 

0:25:17.760,0:25:23.240

is pretty close to a little piece of

 

0:25:21.080,0:25:26.279

private and that would be probably a

 

0:25:23.240,0:25:28.600

good tip to give people if you find a

 

0:25:26.279,0:25:31.159

piece of private smaller track or you

 

0:25:28.600,0:25:33.360

can even be bigger tracks whatever in

 

0:25:31.159,0:25:35.200

this public or on the outskirts of this

 

0:25:33.360,0:25:37.320

public and if it's if it's got some

 

0:25:35.200,0:25:39.039

looks like it has some trees in it and a

 

0:25:37.320,0:25:42.640

creek there probably gonna be a turkey

 

0:25:39.039,0:25:45.279

on it yep I totally agree and and like

 

0:25:42.640,0:25:47.279

that's such a limiting factor especially

 

0:25:45.279,0:25:49.440

you know I've hunted Wyoming a fair bit

 

0:25:47.279,0:25:50.640

so I've I've got a general sense of the

 

0:25:49.440,0:25:52.559

kind of country that you're probably

 

0:25:50.640,0:25:55.320

hunting if if you can find a creek

 

0:25:52.559,0:25:58.440

system with big cotton Woods Roost trees

 

0:25:55.320,0:26:00.880

are definitely the The Limited resource

 

0:25:58.440,0:26:03.760

in so much of the miams range so if you

 

0:26:00.880,0:26:06.480

can find good Roost trees uh that is

 

0:26:03.760,0:26:08.240

definitely the easy quick ticket to to

 

0:26:06.480,0:26:09.880

hopefully finding some birds I tell you

 

0:26:08.240,0:26:11.760

what it's some of the craziest stuff

 

0:26:09.880,0:26:13.399

because you can be like in this I don't

 

0:26:11.760,0:26:15.520

know if you would call it High Desert

 

0:26:13.399,0:26:17.919

type country it's just

 

0:26:15.520,0:26:20.080

like yeah and then it'll be this little

 

0:26:17.919,0:26:21.960

piece of private that's got a little you

 

0:26:20.080,0:26:24.360

know Creek drainage system going through

 

0:26:21.960,0:26:25.760

it with some big trees on it almost

 

0:26:24.360,0:26:27.720

every time there will be a bird there

 

0:26:25.760,0:26:30.120

and you can actually call those birds

 

0:26:27.720,0:26:32.200

off those private pieces up into that

 

0:26:30.120,0:26:33.440

Sagebrush country I know people probably

 

0:26:32.200,0:26:34.760

listening has never been out there

 

0:26:33.440,0:26:36.760

they're probably think yeah there ain't

 

0:26:34.760,0:26:39.240

no way you can do it especially if they

 

0:26:36.760,0:26:41.679

ain't been pressured they'll come to you

 

0:26:39.240,0:26:43.960

well and honestly the amount of ground

 

0:26:41.679,0:26:46.600

that those miams are willing to cover

 

0:26:43.960,0:26:49.279

out there you know you know I've hunted

 

0:26:46.600,0:26:50.960

them as early as April 1 in uh some

 

0:26:49.279,0:26:53.360

parts of Wyoming where it's been

 

0:26:50.960,0:26:55.679

negative five when I've been out there

 

0:26:53.360,0:26:57.559

and then I've also done it you know late

 

0:26:55.679,0:26:58.960

may my recommendation would be if you're

 

0:26:57.559,0:27:01.360

going to go west

 

0:26:58.960,0:27:04.320

don't bother until it's it's May because

 

0:27:01.360,0:27:06.559

those birds they really start to spread

 

0:27:04.320,0:27:08.799

out and I mean shoot a Mariam gobler

 

0:27:06.559,0:27:10.720

will will cover a couple miles in a day

 

0:27:08.799,0:27:12.880

just working drainages looking for that

 

0:27:10.720,0:27:15.640

next hen after they kind of break away

 

0:27:12.880,0:27:17.399

from their flocks so um you know like

 

0:27:15.640,0:27:19.799

like you said I think everybody is

 

0:27:17.399,0:27:21.480

always chomping at the bit to to go see

 

0:27:19.799,0:27:23.559

a new state or they want to hunt the

 

0:27:21.480,0:27:25.200

opening day because on opening day

 

0:27:23.559,0:27:27.840

there's going to be more birds alive

 

0:27:25.200,0:27:31.240

than there is the rest of the season um

 

0:27:27.840,0:27:34.000

but I really am a firm believer that may

 

0:27:31.240,0:27:35.840

is really the uh the time of turkey

 

0:27:34.000,0:27:37.880

hunting uh especially in the Upper

 

0:27:35.840,0:27:39.640

Midwest and across the West you just

 

0:27:37.880,0:27:42.240

have you have better weather you have

 

0:27:39.640,0:27:44.799

birds that are more receptive to uh to

 

0:27:42.240,0:27:47.240

come into calls um you know you have

 

0:27:44.799,0:27:49.240

hens sitting on nests and so that that

 

0:27:47.240,0:27:50.960

would be my recommendation if if you're

 

0:27:49.240,0:27:53.320

gonna want to go west and try to shoot a

 

0:27:50.960,0:27:54.960

white tip is plan it for me yeah I

 

0:27:53.320,0:27:57.240

totally agree and plus you know a little

 

0:27:54.960,0:27:59.760

bit of conservation comes in that as

 

0:27:57.240,0:28:01.679

well uh I've tried them before in April

 

0:27:59.760,0:28:03.840

out there as well and you run into that

 

0:28:01.679,0:28:05.960

you know you got a spot mapped out

 

0:28:03.840,0:28:07.320

you're going to go try then come to find

 

0:28:05.960,0:28:09.039

out you can't even get to it because the

 

0:28:07.320,0:28:11.640

road's closed because there's still six

 

0:28:09.039,0:28:13.519

foot of snow on the road so you run into

 

0:28:11.640,0:28:15.440

that type stuff so I like waiting till

 

0:28:13.519,0:28:17.919

till May for that but the conservation

 

0:28:15.440,0:28:19.640

part I was talking about is you know hey

 

0:28:17.919,0:28:21.279

give those birds some time to get bread

 

0:28:19.640,0:28:23.240

up I think some of those States is

 

0:28:21.279,0:28:24.440

probably open a little too early like

 

0:28:23.240,0:28:26.600

you said you can go up for and Hunt

 

0:28:24.440,0:28:28.559

early April you know there's still a lot

 

0:28:26.600,0:28:30.760

of lot of hens that need bread at that

 

0:28:28.559,0:28:33.600

point so I definitely like that first

 

0:28:30.760,0:28:35.200

week of May first uh first first two

 

0:28:33.600,0:28:36.840

weeks of May is pretty much money I

 

0:28:35.200,0:28:39.000

think we hunting those type of States

 

0:28:36.840,0:28:40.720

but yeah one thing is the weather and

 

0:28:39.000,0:28:43.519

and just the access somebody so you

 

0:28:40.720,0:28:46.360

can't get to because there's still snow

 

0:28:43.519,0:28:50.080

yep and not just know lots of

 

0:28:46.360,0:28:53.320

it shoot I remember oh it was maybe

 

0:28:50.080,0:28:56.120

2021 opening day in Montana it was like

 

0:28:53.320,0:28:58.279

negative negative3 when I stepped out of

 

0:28:56.120,0:29:00.200

my truck needless to say I didn't here

 

0:28:58.279,0:29:03.120

at gobble and I was back in my truck

 

0:29:00.200,0:29:05.960

pretty quickly um but but yeah turkey

 

0:29:03.120,0:29:08.799

hunting turkey hunting in uh subzero

 

0:29:05.960,0:29:10.320

temperatures is is for the birds oh man

 

0:29:08.799,0:29:12.519

I tell you another thing too that you

 

0:29:10.320,0:29:15.039

talked about how much how much ground

 

0:29:12.519,0:29:16.679

those mirams will cover that is one big

 

0:29:15.039,0:29:19.279

difference between hunting out there and

 

0:29:16.679,0:29:21.679

hunting here in like Kentucky Tennessee

 

0:29:19.279,0:29:23.720

type stuff here around home I like to

 

0:29:21.679,0:29:25.039

get as close as I can these gobblers

 

0:29:23.720,0:29:27.000

without bumping them you know it seems

 

0:29:25.039,0:29:29.399

like the closer you can get the better

 

0:29:27.000,0:29:31.840

you know cuz they won't get that bubble

 

0:29:29.399,0:29:33.600

exactly exactly I tell you what if you

 

0:29:31.840,0:29:35.840

get on some of this stuff out west say

 

0:29:33.600,0:29:38.120

like the Wyoming type country that

 

0:29:35.840,0:29:41.640

hasn't been pressured if you can hear a

 

0:29:38.120,0:29:43.919

turkey Goblin you can call that bird in

 

0:29:41.640,0:29:45.760

I've seen on cover some tremendous

 

0:29:43.919,0:29:49.720

amount of ground come to a turkey call

 

0:29:45.760,0:29:52.519

before and sometimes they come freaking

 

0:29:49.720,0:29:54.799

fast I've seen those birds where you

 

0:29:52.519,0:29:56.960

know they're they're literally at a trot

 

0:29:54.799,0:29:59.080

and they're gobbling back at me while

 

0:29:56.960,0:30:02.320

they're trotting

 

0:29:59.080,0:30:04.279

yeah I uh miams are great you know I I

 

0:30:02.320,0:30:06.240

my tactics with miams that are a little

 

0:30:04.279,0:30:09.159

bit different than Easterns is they they

 

0:30:06.240,0:30:11.000

really seem to like a higher pitch tone

 

0:30:09.159,0:30:13.120

um you know if you can get a good cut on

 

0:30:11.000,0:30:15.120

a box call that hits those high notes

 

0:30:13.120,0:30:17.679

for whatever reason that it just

 

0:30:15.120,0:30:21.039

resonates with those miams and then you

 

0:30:17.679,0:30:22.960

know I too you know that hard just

 

0:30:21.039,0:30:24.799

gobble that hits you in your core that

 

0:30:22.960,0:30:27.399

you get from an Eastern whether that's

 

0:30:24.799,0:30:29.399

in Wisconsin Tennessee or Mississippi

 

0:30:27.399,0:30:32.679

you know all the Birds just have that

 

0:30:29.399,0:30:35.240

that hard gobble whereas you know in out

 

0:30:32.679,0:30:37.279

here out west it's it's almost like a

 

0:30:35.240,0:30:39.960

you know that same turkey is using a

 

0:30:37.279,0:30:43.840

kazoo to get the gobble out of his mouth

 

0:30:39.960,0:30:47.120

but the the beauty of miams is I can go

 

0:30:43.840,0:30:49.440

out at 4M and I'm confident that if

 

0:30:47.120,0:30:51.240

there's a bird in the area I can get him

 

0:30:49.440,0:30:53.159

going and I can have a fun hunt you know

 

0:30:51.240,0:30:54.960

I might not call him in and kill him but

 

0:30:53.159,0:30:57.480

I'm going to be hearing a goblin turkey

 

0:30:54.960,0:30:58.799

whereas you know you set out at 4M in

 

0:30:57.480,0:31:00.720

Kentucky

 

0:30:58.799,0:31:02.799

good good luck getting on a gobble you

 

0:31:00.720,0:31:05.200

know like it might happen you might get

 

0:31:02.799,0:31:07.159

lucky but eight times out of 10 you're

 

0:31:05.200,0:31:09.080

GNA have a pretty quiet afternoon

 

0:31:07.159,0:31:10.799

whereas you know if if you come out and

 

0:31:09.080,0:31:13.120

chase some mirams I would say eight

 

0:31:10.799,0:31:15.039

times out of 10 if you're in earshot of

 

0:31:13.120,0:31:17.080

a turkey you can get him fired up and at

 

0:31:15.039,0:31:18.639

least be in the game I tell you what

 

0:31:17.080,0:31:20.519

that you know and speaking of that

 

0:31:18.639,0:31:22.639

afternoon hunting here in Kentucky it

 

0:31:20.519,0:31:24.639

can be really good especially if you can

 

0:31:22.639,0:31:26.360

get one to gobble at that time usually

 

0:31:24.639,0:31:27.600

if you get one to gobble and then you

 

0:31:26.360,0:31:29.720

kind of heat check him there you know

 

0:31:27.600,0:31:32.200

and he gobbles again almost cut you off

 

0:31:29.720,0:31:34.240

he probably a dead turkey uh but other

 

0:31:32.200,0:31:36.039

than that my you know when it gets that

 

0:31:34.240,0:31:38.039

time frame here in these eastern states

 

0:31:36.039,0:31:40.039

I'm my mind frame starts kind of

 

0:31:38.039,0:31:42.440

switching over to trying to roost that

 

0:31:40.039,0:31:45.600

bird for the following morning's hunt so

 

0:31:42.440,0:31:49.080

you know it's uh sometimes it's pretty

 

0:31:45.600,0:31:51.600

tempting to go after him you know it all

 

0:31:49.080,0:31:53.279

depends with that heat check if you can

 

0:31:51.600,0:31:55.080

get him the gobble another time or two

 

0:31:53.279,0:31:57.120

you've probably got him but if not it's

 

0:31:55.080,0:31:58.880

kind of that hard decision just try to

 

0:31:57.120,0:32:01.399

keep tabs on getting roosted for the

 

0:31:58.880,0:32:03.440

morning huh but uh well and I think the

 

0:32:01.399,0:32:05.720

feature that really helps me in

 

0:32:03.440,0:32:08.200

situations like that determine what I'm

 

0:32:05.720,0:32:10.000

going to do is is using our Compass mode

 

0:32:08.200,0:32:12.600

so if you go to your map tools and flip

 

0:32:10.000,0:32:15.840

on that Compass mode tool the way I

 

0:32:12.600,0:32:17.840

utilize it is it just makes pinpointing

 

0:32:15.840,0:32:20.039

exactly where that gobling bird is

 

0:32:17.840,0:32:22.279

standing I'm not going to say easy

 

0:32:20.039,0:32:25.159

because yeah there's not really much in

 

0:32:22.279,0:32:26.840

hunting that is easy but boy do you have

 

0:32:25.159,0:32:29.519

a leg up when you're able to pull up

 

0:32:26.840,0:32:31.200

that Compass mode you see exactly what

 

0:32:29.519,0:32:33.399

direction you're facing so you can

 

0:32:31.200,0:32:36.200

confirm yep I know I heard that bird he

 

0:32:33.399,0:32:40.240

was due south um and then obviously you

 

0:32:36.200,0:32:42.320

know uh unconsciously you are Auto

 

0:32:40.240,0:32:44.440

you're always like oh well just by the

 

0:32:42.320,0:32:46.639

loudness of that gobble that was 50

 

0:32:44.440,0:32:48.799

yards that was 150 yards that was 400

 

0:32:46.639,0:32:50.200

yards away um and so when you pull up

 

0:32:48.799,0:32:53.159

that Compass mode it gives you that

 

0:32:50.200,0:32:55.320

hashed line distance that dynamically

 

0:32:53.159,0:32:57.320

changes as you zoom in and zoom out so

 

0:32:55.320,0:32:59.080

immediately you hear a gobble you're

 

0:32:57.320,0:33:01.639

like that is probably about 200 yards

 

0:32:59.080,0:33:02.919

away pull up Compass mode dial in the

 

0:33:01.639,0:33:05.799

direction and then you're able to

 

0:33:02.919,0:33:07.880

analyze not only the the aerial image

 

0:33:05.799,0:33:09.799

and what the vegetation is doing but you

 

0:33:07.880,0:33:12.080

can have your Hybrid Base map on and

 

0:33:09.799,0:33:15.320

also analyze the topography at the same

 

0:33:12.080,0:33:17.760

time and So within about 10 seconds of a

 

0:33:15.320,0:33:21.360

bird sounding off when I use Compass

 

0:33:17.760,0:33:23.320

mode I I'm confident that I can pin

 

0:33:21.360,0:33:26.639

exactly where that bird is standing

 

0:33:23.320,0:33:29.279

within about 10 20 yards and that right

 

0:33:26.639,0:33:32.799

there just gives me a great idea of of

 

0:33:29.279,0:33:34.960

what I need to do in order to be set up

 

0:33:32.799,0:33:36.760

in a successful spot do I need to close

 

0:33:34.960,0:33:39.159

the distance how much distance can I

 

0:33:36.760,0:33:40.760

close is there a creek between me and

 

0:33:39.159,0:33:42.600

that turkey is there a fence line

 

0:33:40.760,0:33:45.159

between me and that turkey it just gives

 

0:33:42.600,0:33:46.679

me a great understanding of what is my

 

0:33:45.159,0:33:48.880

next move now that I know where this

 

0:33:46.679,0:33:50.880

bird is standing oh I'm glad you covered

 

0:33:48.880,0:33:52.559

all that stuff that was actually two

 

0:33:50.880,0:33:55.840

features I was going to ask you about

 

0:33:52.559,0:33:58.399

was Hybrid Base maps and and Compass

 

0:33:55.840,0:34:00.000

mode so thank you for covering that hey

 

0:33:58.399,0:34:04.240

you act like you've done this

 

0:34:00.000,0:34:06.799

before you act like You' used onx before

 

0:34:04.240,0:34:08.520

yeah we used it once in a while and uh I

 

0:34:06.799,0:34:11.280

mean Hybrid Base Maps is just such a

 

0:34:08.520,0:34:13.919

no-brainer to me anytime I can get more

 

0:34:11.280,0:34:16.320

information when I'm looking at at my

 

0:34:13.919,0:34:19.040

map I'm I'm going to and so having the

 

0:34:16.320,0:34:20.960

toppo and the aerial image is just so

 

0:34:19.040,0:34:23.200

helpful in so many different scenarios

 

0:34:20.960,0:34:25.399

because you know turkeys like every

 

0:34:23.200,0:34:27.480

other Critter they intimately know the

 

0:34:25.399,0:34:29.280

terrain they live in they understand how

 

0:34:27.480,0:34:30.639

to use it to their advantage you know

 

0:34:29.280,0:34:33.280

you're not going to want to try to call

 

0:34:30.639,0:34:35.520

a turkey downhill to you it gives them

 

0:34:33.280,0:34:37.480

way too much of a visual Advantage they

 

0:34:35.520,0:34:39.480

can see what's going on before they ever

 

0:34:37.480,0:34:41.359

even get close to you so you always kind

 

0:34:39.480,0:34:43.560

of want to be on the same plane or above

 

0:34:41.359,0:34:46.079

a turkey if you can be and then just

 

0:34:43.560,0:34:48.200

identifying you know listening knobs and

 

0:34:46.079,0:34:51.159

spots where your call can really carry

 

0:34:48.200,0:34:53.679

out from to to hopefully strike a bird

 

0:34:51.159,0:34:55.760

um at distance uh but ultimately if you

 

0:34:53.679,0:34:57.119

don't know how to read topography

 

0:34:55.760,0:34:59.599

there's other features in the app that

 

0:34:57.119,0:35:01.680

can really help like 3D in our 3D

 

0:34:59.599,0:35:02.960

elevation exaggeration that was that was

 

0:35:01.680,0:35:05.160

the next one I was going to ask you

 

0:35:02.960,0:35:07.119

about yeah tell us about 3D maps and how

 

0:35:05.160,0:35:08.960

it's how it can help you be a better

 

0:35:07.119,0:35:11.560

turkey hunter I use a lot for scouting

 

0:35:08.960,0:35:14.200

especially the new properties oh it's

 

0:35:11.560,0:35:16.520

it's invaluable for scouting especially

 

0:35:14.200,0:35:19.000

you know when you flip on 3D if you're

 

0:35:16.520,0:35:20.920

in a Terrain Laden area just the 3D

 

0:35:19.000,0:35:22.760

itself is gonna help you you know it's

 

0:35:20.920,0:35:25.000

gonna pop and you're going to be able to

 

0:35:22.760,0:35:27.880

understand you know those Ridge systems

 

0:35:25.000,0:35:30.960

and where a bench is and and how how

 

0:35:27.880,0:35:32.720

that funnel or drainage lays out um but

 

0:35:30.960,0:35:35.920

if you're in flatter terrain that

 

0:35:32.720,0:35:38.400

elevation exaggeration feature um is one

 

0:35:35.920,0:35:41.160

of my favorites in the entire app is it

 

0:35:38.400,0:35:44.200

just really distorts that terrain and it

 

0:35:41.160,0:35:47.520

makes it really really easy to pick out

 

0:35:44.200,0:35:50.000

um those those topographic nuances and

 

0:35:47.520,0:35:52.040

so if you don't know how to read toppo

 

0:35:50.000,0:35:55.280

what I recommend doing is turning on

 

0:35:52.040,0:35:57.720

your Hybrid Base map and then using 3D

 

0:35:55.280,0:35:59.000

and elevation exaggeration because

 

0:35:57.720,0:36:00.599

that's going to teach you you know if

 

0:35:59.000,0:36:02.280

you have a full circle you're going to

 

0:36:00.599,0:36:04.760

soon see that that's going to be a high

 

0:36:02.280,0:36:09.040

point or a knob um you know if you have

 

0:36:04.760,0:36:10.640

a long drawn out uh you know it almost

 

0:36:09.040,0:36:12.359

looks like a finger and that's why we

 

0:36:10.640,0:36:14.200

call them finger ridges like that's

 

0:36:12.359,0:36:16.560

going to be a long drawn out Ridge

 

0:36:14.200,0:36:18.240

system and so you know I think it can be

 

0:36:16.560,0:36:20.680

used as a tool to help you teach

 

0:36:18.240,0:36:24.359

yourself on how to read topography but

 

0:36:20.680,0:36:26.400

also just invaluable to get a greater

 

0:36:24.359,0:36:29.560

understanding of how all of the terrain

 

0:36:26.400,0:36:31.440

lays out um um which you know it takes a

 

0:36:29.560,0:36:32.800

while to learn how turkeys use terrain

 

0:36:31.440,0:36:35.160

but if you've turkey hunted for any

 

0:36:32.800,0:36:37.079

period of time you know ridges are

 

0:36:35.160,0:36:38.720

important to them for for roosting

 

0:36:37.079,0:36:40.599

oftentimes they'll pitch off a ridge

 

0:36:38.720,0:36:42.160

into their Roost tree and vice versa off

 

0:36:40.599,0:36:43.319

the roost tree to the top of the ridge

 

0:36:42.160,0:36:45.599

so they don't have to put a whole lot of

 

0:36:43.319,0:36:47.200

effort into flying um you know there

 

0:36:45.599,0:36:49.280

sound carries when they're gobbling from

 

0:36:47.200,0:36:51.119

a Ridgetop more hens are going to be

 

0:36:49.280,0:36:52.920

able to hear that um you know when

 

0:36:51.119,0:36:54.400

they're scratching and bugging around in

 

0:36:52.920,0:36:57.160

the woods you're often going to find

 

0:36:54.400,0:36:59.160

that it's on benches and not on a slope

 

0:36:57.160,0:37:00.440

uh there's so many nuanced things that

 

0:36:59.160,0:37:02.920

you can pick up when you're in the

 

0:37:00.440,0:37:04.319

turkey Woods by analyzing turkey sign

 

0:37:02.920,0:37:06.520

and just being a little bit more

 

0:37:04.319,0:37:09.000

intentional in how you're hunting and

 

0:37:06.520,0:37:11.839

and looking at the map to understand why

 

0:37:09.000,0:37:13.839

a bird is is using this area oh it's

 

0:37:11.839,0:37:15.640

it's great stuff Jared thanks for

 

0:37:13.839,0:37:18.280

covering that stuff and I tell you what

 

0:37:15.640,0:37:20.480

uh the 3D map feature I think that's

 

0:37:18.280,0:37:22.880

probably an overlooked feature for Coy

 

0:37:20.480,0:37:24.520

Hunters U I use that quite a bit when I

 

0:37:22.880,0:37:26.760

have people you know have people contact

 

0:37:24.520,0:37:29.520

me about maybe having you know predation

 

0:37:26.760,0:37:31.319

problems with k boats and it' be cattle

 

0:37:29.520,0:37:33.079

farm crop country whatever it is

 

0:37:31.319,0:37:35.480

especially here at home and and if it's

 

0:37:33.079,0:37:37.359

an a a farm that I don't know I've never

 

0:37:35.480,0:37:39.440

been on it I have them contact me I look

 

0:37:37.359,0:37:42.359

up their look up the property owner and

 

0:37:39.440,0:37:44.160

find their property on onx maps I use 3D

 

0:37:42.359,0:37:46.560

maps that kind of help me get a better

 

0:37:44.160,0:37:48.200

idea how that ground lays and I can you

 

0:37:46.560,0:37:49.880

know without ever being there for the

 

0:37:48.200,0:37:52.680

first time I can go ahead and Mark where

 

0:37:49.880,0:37:54.960

I want to make my my Coy stand from and

 

0:37:52.680,0:37:56.920

I use 3D maps to do that quite a bit I

 

0:37:54.960,0:37:59.119

think that'd be a great tip for any Coy

 

0:37:56.920,0:38:02.280

Hunters her listening to us if you want

 

0:37:59.119,0:38:04.640

to try another feature out on your on

 

0:38:02.280,0:38:06.160

onx check out the 3D maps though

 

0:38:04.640,0:38:09.079

especially for new properties it can

 

0:38:06.160,0:38:11.000

help you find coyote stands you need to

 

0:38:09.079,0:38:12.960

be making on that property without going

 

0:38:11.000,0:38:15.359

in there and pushing too far and walking

 

0:38:12.960,0:38:18.359

past the stand that you need to be

 

0:38:15.359,0:38:21.280

making great Point yeah I mean uh a

 

0:38:18.359,0:38:23.160

super useful feature for finding those

 

0:38:21.280,0:38:25.880

high points and those High knobs that's

 

0:38:23.160,0:38:28.200

going to give you the the most audible

 

0:38:25.880,0:38:30.640

Blair if you will as well is the best

 

0:38:28.200,0:38:32.400

visual Point um and then another feature

 

0:38:30.640,0:38:34.640

that I think goes kind of hand inand

 

0:38:32.400,0:38:36.520

with breaking down a new property or

 

0:38:34.640,0:38:38.240

looking at somewhere you intend to go

 

0:38:36.520,0:38:41.800

next week or you're taking an out ofate

 

0:38:38.240,0:38:44.359

trip is our our recent imagery and so um

 

0:38:41.800,0:38:47.400

you know recent imagery what that is is

 

0:38:44.359,0:38:49.200

it is a lower resolution um aerial image

 

0:38:47.400,0:38:52.599

than our general base map but it's

 

0:38:49.200,0:38:54.960

updated every two weeks um and so with

 

0:38:52.599,0:38:57.520

that with the update every two weeks

 

0:38:54.960,0:39:00.599

we're also cataloging all of the

 

0:38:57.520,0:39:03.359

historic images back to March of

 

0:39:00.599,0:39:07.680

2023 um and so I've been using it quite

 

0:39:03.359,0:39:08.960

a bit um looking just in Wisconsin

 

0:39:07.680,0:39:11.319

that's another place I'll go turkey

 

0:39:08.960,0:39:13.480

Hunton this year I'll also uh head up to

 

0:39:11.319,0:39:15.680

to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan but

 

0:39:13.480,0:39:18.720

locating snow lines like what is a Snow

 

0:39:15.680,0:39:21.040

Line doing um looking at water levels if

 

0:39:18.720,0:39:23.200

you're hunting a marshy area or a river

 

0:39:21.040,0:39:24.920

that floods annually like can you even

 

0:39:23.200,0:39:27.920

get into your spot or are you going to

 

0:39:24.920,0:39:29.440

need waiters or a canoe or something um

 

0:39:27.920,0:39:31.800

if you're in the South and your turkey

 

0:39:29.440,0:39:33.359

hunting there's so much Timber Harvest

 

0:39:31.800,0:39:36.480

happening all the time if you got to

 

0:39:33.359,0:39:38.720

drive two hours to uh you know a spot

 

0:39:36.480,0:39:41.240

you can quick flip on recent imagery and

 

0:39:38.720,0:39:43.359

and make sure that you know the general

 

0:39:41.240,0:39:45.440

Roost location that you've hunted for

 

0:39:43.359,0:39:48.079

the last number of years hasn't been

 

0:39:45.440,0:39:49.680

clear-cut in the last couple months um I

 

0:39:48.079,0:39:52.480

think there's just a lot of use cases

 

0:39:49.680,0:39:54.920

for getting a bird's eyee view of what

 

0:39:52.480,0:39:56.880

the landscape looks like in near Real

 

0:39:54.920,0:39:58.680

Time with those every two week updates I

 

0:39:56.880,0:39:59.920

think awesome it's just like me talking

 

0:39:58.680,0:40:02.319

about earlier about hunting some of

 

0:39:59.920,0:40:04.480

these places out west that I know we can

 

0:40:02.319,0:40:06.160

find a gobler then we get up there and

 

0:40:04.480,0:40:08.119

you can't get there because all because

 

0:40:06.160,0:40:11.520

of the snow pack the roads are drifted

 

0:40:08.119,0:40:13.560

in that would be huge that' be huge help

 

0:40:11.520,0:40:15.480

because I mean that's a great feature

 

0:40:13.560,0:40:16.680

I'm glad that you all added that on and

 

0:40:15.480,0:40:18.800

you know just like you said things

 

0:40:16.680,0:40:20.920

change anyway some of these properties

 

0:40:18.800,0:40:24.960

you haven't been on to for say since the

 

0:40:20.920,0:40:26.160

previous season man there could be who

 

0:40:24.960,0:40:28.560

knows what you know they could have

 

0:40:26.160,0:40:30.440

logged the area they could have cleared

 

0:40:28.560,0:40:32.280

sections they have could cleared fenro

 

0:40:30.440,0:40:34.839

out or it could change a a property can

 

0:40:32.280,0:40:37.160

change up drastically in a year's time

 

0:40:34.839,0:40:38.839

so those recent maps are that's I think

 

0:40:37.160,0:40:41.359

it's an awesome

 

0:40:38.839,0:40:43.520

feature yeah and then you know we also

 

0:40:41.359,0:40:45.200

have some some Nuance ones like Leaf off

 

0:40:43.520,0:40:47.319

imagery you know I don't know that

 

0:40:45.200,0:40:49.359

there's a there's a great turkey hunting

 

0:40:47.319,0:40:50.839

use case there but just from

 

0:40:49.359,0:40:53.119

understanding the landscape without the

 

0:40:50.839,0:40:55.880

canopy of leave I think that's available

 

0:40:53.119,0:40:58.440

in 13 or 14 States we're working to add

 

0:40:55.880,0:41:00.640

more States all the time with Leaf off

 

0:40:58.440,0:41:03.040

um but that's a good one you know again

 

0:41:00.640,0:41:04.920

looking at Creek systems and

 

0:41:03.040,0:41:07.119

understanding exactly what's going on

 

0:41:04.920,0:41:08.760

below the forest floor because so often

 

0:41:07.119,0:41:12.520

you know an aerial image is nothing but

 

0:41:08.760,0:41:13.920

green leaves right right well how how

 

0:41:12.520,0:41:16.240

many states did you say you were hunting

 

0:41:13.920,0:41:18.240

this spring what all your trips you got

 

0:41:16.240,0:41:20.800

planned out we know you hun Kentucky and

 

0:41:18.240,0:41:22.800

Montana I I'll hope to get the five I'll

 

0:41:20.800,0:41:24.680

hope to do I always do Wisconsin that's

 

0:41:22.800,0:41:26.760

where I'm uh that's where I was born and

 

0:41:24.680,0:41:29.079

raised and and grew up there so that's

 

0:41:26.760,0:41:31.720

one always go back with the family and

 

0:41:29.079,0:41:33.520

chase some birds around um the Upper

 

0:41:31.720,0:41:35.440

Peninsula of Michigan is a new one for

 

0:41:33.520,0:41:37.599

this year I just got an email from uh

 

0:41:35.440,0:41:40.720

Michigan fishing game that I that I drew

 

0:41:37.599,0:41:41.920

my tag I put in for so we'll BP up there

 

0:41:40.720,0:41:43.359

uh I think we'll do that before

 

0:41:41.920,0:41:46.440

Wisconsin we'll hit that the first week

 

0:41:43.359,0:41:48.359

of May Wisconsin the second week of May

 

0:41:46.440,0:41:50.720

um yep coming to Kentucky for your

 

0:41:48.359,0:41:53.400

y'all's opener there on the 13th of

 

0:41:50.720,0:41:55.040

April um and then I mean Montana you

 

0:41:53.400,0:41:57.440

talk about a state that's friendly to

 

0:41:55.040,0:41:58.880

hunt turkeys for residents I mean I buy

 

0:41:57.440,0:42:02.440

a turkey tag for

 

0:41:58.880,0:42:04.400

$66.50 and if I uh yeah they they give

 

0:42:02.440,0:42:05.280

them away which frankly I I wish they'd

 

0:42:04.400,0:42:07.800

make it

 

0:42:05.280,0:42:10.680

$60.50 I'd happily pay that price for

 

0:42:07.800,0:42:12.160

the same amount of birds right right you

 

0:42:10.680,0:42:13.720

know if I if I want to do a bunch of

 

0:42:12.160,0:42:15.440

traveling across all the different

 

0:42:13.720,0:42:17.800

regions of Montana I could actually

 

0:42:15.440,0:42:21.319

shoot five long beards in in Montana

 

0:42:17.800,0:42:23.640

alone I did not know that yeah I mean

 

0:42:21.319,0:42:25.480

you got to do a lot of driving um you

 

0:42:23.640,0:42:27.640

know we have we have seven different

 

0:42:25.480,0:42:30.480

regions in Montana and a couple of them

 

0:42:27.640,0:42:33.200

you have to draw turkey tags in um but

 

0:42:30.480,0:42:35.920

region one two five and seven are all

 

0:42:33.200,0:42:38.839

overthe counter tags that you can just

 

0:42:35.920,0:42:40.680

buy um so yeah you can definitely put

 

0:42:38.839,0:42:44.119

together a pretty extensive turkey tour

 

0:42:40.680,0:42:47.559

just in the state of Montana um and then

 

0:42:44.119,0:42:50.920

I live in in L Montana which is shoot I

 

0:42:47.559,0:42:53.160

can be in Idaho in 40 minutes um so I'm

 

0:42:50.920,0:42:55.280

not yet hunted Idaho but I'm thinking

 

0:42:53.160,0:42:57.440

this might be the year to to make the

 

0:42:55.280,0:42:59.119

short drive a little bit further west go

 

0:42:57.440,0:43:01.319

see if we can't find some Mountain birds

 

0:42:59.119,0:43:03.480

in that state oh I'm sure you'll find

 

0:43:01.319,0:43:05.520

I've not hunted Idaho but I have hunted

 

0:43:03.480,0:43:07.240

right across the river in Oregon uh

 

0:43:05.520,0:43:08.920

before for and it's there's there's

 

0:43:07.240,0:43:11.839

birds there they're fun Birds I think

 

0:43:08.920,0:43:13.680

they're actually Rios aren't they and so

 

0:43:11.839,0:43:15.400

Oregon does have a bunch of Rios I

 

0:43:13.680,0:43:17.480

hunted Oregon for the first time last

 

0:43:15.400,0:43:19.920

year and I I thoroughly enjoyed my

 

0:43:17.480,0:43:22.480

Oregon hunt and uh I'm not hunted much

 

0:43:19.920,0:43:24.319

for Rios I I shot a Rio and Kansas a few

 

0:43:22.480,0:43:27.559

years back and then the one in Oregon

 

0:43:24.319,0:43:29.400

last year and all man I like hunting Rio

 

0:43:27.559,0:43:31.319

I uh I can't put them as my favorite

 

0:43:29.400,0:43:33.480

subspecies yet because I just haven't

 

0:43:31.319,0:43:36.720

hunted them enough but boy they're

 

0:43:33.480,0:43:39.119

aggressive they like to gobble um you

 

0:43:36.720,0:43:41.359

know I love I love a nice surprise of

 

0:43:39.119,0:43:43.960

some good hooks when I walk up to a long

 

0:43:41.359,0:43:45.480

beard and Rio's typically provide that

 

0:43:43.960,0:43:48.920

usually don't have that with a

 

0:43:45.480,0:43:51.240

miams no no if you're getting an inch if

 

0:43:48.920,0:43:52.760

you get an inch out of miams Firsts you

 

0:43:51.240,0:43:53.760

did something yeah and they're usually

 

0:43:52.760,0:43:57.800

pretty

 

0:43:53.760,0:43:59.240

dull yeah yep no

 

0:43:57.800,0:44:02.960

what so what you what your favorite

 

0:43:59.240,0:44:05.640

state that you turkey hunt ah you know I

 

0:44:02.960,0:44:08.240

had such a hoot last year in North

 

0:44:05.640,0:44:09.839

Carolina uh we did a boat base hunt

 

0:44:08.240,0:44:13.079

which I think was was part of the

 

0:44:09.839,0:44:15.040

enjoyment out of it I uh convinced my my

 

0:44:13.079,0:44:18.119

old man to to trailer the boat down to

 

0:44:15.040,0:44:20.400

North Carolina from Wisconsin and um you

 

0:44:18.119,0:44:22.400

know put putting the boat on at 4 in the

 

0:44:20.400,0:44:24.200

morning and just kind of taking the

 

0:44:22.400,0:44:27.160

trolling motor the electric trolling

 

0:44:24.200,0:44:29.839

motor and going in through bays and here

 

0:44:27.160,0:44:31.800

a bird sound off anchoring up running up

 

0:44:29.839,0:44:34.359

the hill chasing that bird getting back

 

0:44:31.800,0:44:35.760

to the boat and rinsing and repeat uh

 

0:44:34.359,0:44:37.480

you know it was a it was a really good

 

0:44:35.760,0:44:38.920

way to stay away from a lot of the

 

0:44:37.480,0:44:40.359

hunting pressure you know we saw a

 

0:44:38.920,0:44:43.960

couple other guys doing the same thing

 

0:44:40.359,0:44:45.880

we were doing um but very few um and

 

0:44:43.960,0:44:48.480

there wasn't a whole lot of Road access

 

0:44:45.880,0:44:50.520

on the public land around that lake so I

 

0:44:48.480,0:44:53.200

found that to be just a really enjoyable

 

0:44:50.520,0:44:55.920

hunt um kind of a copout answer but my

 

0:44:53.200,0:44:59.200

home state of Wisconsin is is one that

 

0:44:55.920,0:45:00.880

really highly for me yeah um and I think

 

0:44:59.200,0:45:03.280

really just because Wisconsin's a really

 

0:45:00.880,0:45:07.280

diverse state in my opinion you know you

 

0:45:03.280,0:45:09.040

could hunt vast agriculture lands in in

 

0:45:07.280,0:45:10.680

the South and Eastern portions of the

 

0:45:09.040,0:45:12.800

state you can go to the western part of

 

0:45:10.680,0:45:14.960

the state and get in Bluff Country along

 

0:45:12.800,0:45:17.960

the Mississippi on the river you can go

 

0:45:14.960,0:45:20.800

Way North and Hunt vast vast expanses of

 

0:45:17.960,0:45:22.839

Timber and get on Birds um so I think

 

0:45:20.800,0:45:25.280

those those are my two favorite you know

 

0:45:22.839,0:45:28.240

like you there's something about chasing

 

0:45:25.280,0:45:30.960

turkeys out west just with having what

 

0:45:28.240,0:45:33.520

seems like NeverEnding ground to to run

 

0:45:30.960,0:45:35.559

you know so often in in Kentucky or in

 

0:45:33.520,0:45:39.640

Wisconsin if you're hunting public land

 

0:45:35.559,0:45:42.640

it might be a 200 or a a 120 acre piece

 

0:45:39.640,0:45:45.079

or what have you whereas you get out out

 

0:45:42.640,0:45:46.880

west and you're like holy smokes the the

 

0:45:45.079,0:45:50.720

whole freaking County's Public where do

 

0:45:46.880,0:45:52.920

I start right right 95% of it's public

 

0:45:50.720,0:45:55.240

so you run in those spots for quite

 

0:45:52.920,0:45:56.720

exactly so it's hard for me to choose a

 

0:45:55.240,0:45:58.440

favorite state you know they all got

 

0:45:56.720,0:46:00.680

their unique things and I mean at the

 

0:45:58.440,0:46:04.200

end of the day there's about 30 of them

 

0:46:00.680,0:46:06.040

that I've never set foot in so uh Maine

 

0:46:04.200,0:46:07.800

Maine in the east coast has a few that

 

0:46:06.040,0:46:09.640

I'm keen on getting to here sooner than

 

0:46:07.800,0:46:11.040

later that I haven't been yet but but

 

0:46:09.640,0:46:14.319

how about you if you could only choose

 

0:46:11.040,0:46:18.079

one where are you hunting oh man I tell

 

0:46:14.319,0:46:19.760

you what again a k you know the Kentucky

 

0:46:18.079,0:46:21.839

thing because you know I've grown up

 

0:46:19.760,0:46:23.240

here that's definitely right there at

 

0:46:21.839,0:46:25.359

the top of the list but if I'm want to

 

0:46:23.240,0:46:28.760

exclude my home

 

0:46:25.359,0:46:31.440

state I would have to

 

0:46:28.760,0:46:34.280

say that's a it's a tough question isn't

 

0:46:31.440,0:46:36.920

it U I've hunted some the Tennessee

 

0:46:34.280,0:46:38.640

birds are fun but they're extremely

 

0:46:36.920,0:46:40.839

similar to Kentucky so I think it's one

 

0:46:38.640,0:46:45.200

of the reasons I think it's so fun in

 

0:46:40.839,0:46:48.680

Tennessee so Tennessee would be a toss

 

0:46:45.200,0:46:51.280

up I'm gonna say a toss up between

 

0:46:48.680,0:46:53.880

besides from a home state be Tennessee

 

0:46:51.280,0:46:57.520

in northeastern

 

0:46:53.880,0:46:59.839

Oregon okay just because more than once

 

0:46:57.520,0:47:01.760

or just the once just well I used to

 

0:46:59.839,0:47:03.960

spend a lot of time in Oregon you

 

0:47:01.760,0:47:06.640

actually used to have some uh some of my

 

0:47:03.960,0:47:08.839

family owned U had part of interest in a

 

0:47:06.640,0:47:10.240

cattle ranch up there so I spent a lot

 

0:47:08.839,0:47:12.400

of time up there so that's where we

 

0:47:10.240,0:47:14.200

would hunt at and and the reason I

 

0:47:12.400,0:47:16.319

there's not as many turkeys to hunt

 

0:47:14.200,0:47:18.839

there but it's just but there is

 

0:47:16.319,0:47:20.480

adequate numbers of birds there to hunt

 

0:47:18.839,0:47:22.160

um and they they act right you know

 

0:47:20.480,0:47:24.720

they're the type of bird you want to get

 

0:47:22.160,0:47:26.280

on but it's just the the the scenery

 

0:47:24.720,0:47:27.960

difference I guess it's some of the

 

0:47:26.280,0:47:30.319

scenery out there in the landscape is

 

0:47:27.960,0:47:33.280

just so breathtaking you're looking up

 

0:47:30.319,0:47:36.640

and you're you might see elk up on one

 

0:47:33.280,0:47:40.319

Hillside and you know and it's just such

 

0:47:36.640,0:47:42.440

a all inspiring landscape that you're

 

0:47:40.319,0:47:44.480

looking at and like I said you might see

 

0:47:42.440,0:47:45.839

elk up on his Hillside some Muer

 

0:47:44.480,0:47:47.359

trotting around over to the left and

 

0:47:45.839,0:47:48.920

then you got a bird gobling right down

 

0:47:47.359,0:47:50.599

there below you in the creek it's pretty

 

0:47:48.920,0:47:52.640

awesome hilarious that you mentioned

 

0:47:50.599,0:47:54.880

that because I was I was actually kind

 

0:47:52.640,0:47:56.400

of what spurred my my interest in

 

0:47:54.880,0:47:57.960

getting to Idaho this year as I was

 

0:47:56.400,0:48:00.079

doing some steelhead fishing a couple

 

0:47:57.960,0:48:02.200

weeks ago in Idaho and and as I was

 

0:48:00.079,0:48:04.440

swinging flies I could I was watching I

 

0:48:02.200,0:48:06.760

heard of elk on one Hills side a little

 

0:48:04.440,0:48:08.640

group of me deer on another Hillside and

 

0:48:06.760,0:48:11.640

then I had a hen yelping across the

 

0:48:08.640,0:48:14.800

river from me just y y y y and I was

 

0:48:11.640,0:48:16.640

just like dang it is uh it is coming and

 

0:48:14.800,0:48:18.880

turkey season will be here before I know

 

0:48:16.640,0:48:20.079

it when you get like just like that you

 

0:48:18.880,0:48:21.920

know you're doing something you really

 

0:48:20.079,0:48:23.680

enjoy like you you're fishing and you

 

0:48:21.920,0:48:25.240

seeing all that wildlife and I'm sure if

 

0:48:23.680,0:48:27.599

you're seeing that much wildlife and

 

0:48:25.240,0:48:29.920

hearing it the the landscape that you're

 

0:48:27.599,0:48:31.880

in was had to be breathtaking and the

 

0:48:29.920,0:48:33.160

thing is when you get in those scenarios

 

0:48:31.880,0:48:34.960

it's just like I talking about you might

 

0:48:33.160,0:48:36.800

see elk over here walking through and

 

0:48:34.960,0:48:39.400

mule deer over here and then you got a

 

0:48:36.800,0:48:41.119

you know a hard Goblin bird below you

 

0:48:39.400,0:48:42.760

and you're just sitting there like man

 

0:48:41.119,0:48:44.880

wonder what All the Poor People's doing

 

0:48:42.760,0:48:46.200

a day you know you feel like the richest

 

0:48:44.880,0:48:49.040

person in the world you know what I mean

 

0:48:46.200,0:48:50.760

it's just freaking awesome dude so yeah

 

0:48:49.040,0:48:52.599

I couldn't have said it better myself

 

0:48:50.760,0:48:54.640

and well if if you folks listening to

 

0:48:52.599,0:48:56.839

this haven't gleaned yet you need to

 

0:48:54.640,0:48:59.599

plan a turkey trip because I do not

 

0:48:56.839,0:49:02.520

think there is a more easily executed

 

0:48:59.599,0:49:05.119

outof State exploratory hunt than

 

0:49:02.520,0:49:08.079

chaseing turkeys you know they're vocal

 

0:49:05.119,0:49:10.599

they are interactive so like finding one

 

0:49:08.079,0:49:13.440

in an unfamiliar place is is a much

 

0:49:10.599,0:49:15.799

easier task than a lot of other Critters

 

0:49:13.440,0:49:17.599

generally pretty cost effective you know

 

0:49:15.799,0:49:19.680

Most states don't charge an arm and a

 

0:49:17.599,0:49:23.200

leg for a tur turkey tag is a lot

 

0:49:19.680,0:49:25.079

cheaper than a $700 ilk tag yeah no

 

0:49:23.200,0:49:27.400

doubt about it so throw a couple buddies

 

0:49:25.079,0:49:29.480

in the car pull out your hun ass and and

 

0:49:27.400,0:49:33.280

find some public land and and go plan a

 

0:49:29.480,0:49:36.359

turkey trip dude that's love it that's

 

0:49:33.280,0:49:39.200

that's great I got two two questions I

 

0:49:36.359,0:49:43.040

want to ask you before we hop off here

 

0:49:39.200,0:49:45.599

um actually three first one is is there

 

0:49:43.040,0:49:47.400

any other features you'd like to cover

 

0:49:45.599,0:49:51.079

that we have not covered that you think

 

0:49:47.400,0:49:52.400

we need to on onx for turkey hunters you

 

0:49:51.079,0:49:54.119

know I think the biggest thing is

 

0:49:52.400,0:49:56.000

compass mode make sure you're using

 

0:49:54.119,0:49:57.520

Compass mode in the spring turkey Woods

 

0:49:56.000,0:49:59.480

it's going to allow you to pinpoint

 

0:49:57.520,0:50:01.559

those gobblers location which at the end

 

0:49:59.480,0:50:04.079

of the day is going to give you a great

 

0:50:01.559,0:50:06.640

idea on what you need to do or where you

 

0:50:04.079,0:50:09.200

need to be to be set up effectively

 

0:50:06.640,0:50:12.000

because when calling to a turkey your

 

0:50:09.200,0:50:13.839

set up is absolutely the most important

 

0:50:12.000,0:50:16.440

factor of whether that bird is gonna

 

0:50:13.839,0:50:17.520

hang up at 70 or be right down your gun

 

0:50:16.440,0:50:21.480

barrel at

 

0:50:17.520,0:50:23.640

35 um so Compass mode and then just plan

 

0:50:21.480,0:50:25.920

from home take even if it's only 20

 

0:50:23.640,0:50:28.040

minutes look at your Maps flip on the

 

0:50:25.920,0:50:30.040

coniferous vers is deciduous flip on the

 

0:50:28.040,0:50:33.240

wetlands layer flip on the crop

 

0:50:30.040,0:50:35.960

distribution layer find those diverse

 

0:50:33.240,0:50:38.119

habitats um and then get out there and

 

0:50:35.960,0:50:40.520

and go exploring so the only other one

 

0:50:38.119,0:50:43.599

is like the tracker I always turn my

 

0:50:40.520,0:50:45.480

tracker on when I'm on a hunt um it just

 

0:50:43.599,0:50:48.200

immediately can bring me back to that

 

0:50:45.480,0:50:50.480

location so I have a recall of oh yeah I

 

0:50:48.200,0:50:53.599

remember walking around that knob or it

 

0:50:50.480,0:50:55.960

just it just helps you recall your day

 

0:50:53.599,0:50:57.480

events shows you what's you've covered

 

0:50:55.960,0:50:59.960

and as important what you haven't

 

0:50:57.480,0:51:01.720

covered um so I I would say those are

 

0:50:59.960,0:51:03.799

the the main takeaways if people are

 

0:51:01.720,0:51:05.839

going to be out chasing birds pull out

 

0:51:03.799,0:51:07.000

the Hun app and uh and use those few

 

0:51:05.839,0:51:09.640

features and you're going to be more

 

0:51:07.000,0:51:11.760

successful because of it perfect perfect

 

0:51:09.640,0:51:13.880

well my next question is it goes right

 

0:51:11.760,0:51:15.640

off the features here say you're going

 

0:51:13.880,0:51:19.240

to a new state to hunt this year which

 

0:51:15.640,0:51:22.640

you are Kentucky and say I challenge you

 

0:51:19.240,0:51:23.599

for your onx app on your phone that

 

0:51:22.640,0:51:26.640

you'll be

 

0:51:23.599,0:51:29.839

using you can only have three features

 

0:51:26.640,0:51:31.799

three onx features that you can only use

 

0:51:29.839,0:51:33.160

for this turkey hunt what are those top

 

0:51:31.799,0:51:35.240

three features that you're going to make

 

0:51:33.160,0:51:38.319

sure you can use you can't use no you

 

0:51:35.240,0:51:42.400

can only use three the the others are

 

0:51:38.319,0:51:44.839

locked up on you Compass mode for sure

 

0:51:42.400,0:51:47.240

um you know I'm gonna I'm gonna cheat

 

0:51:44.839,0:51:51.480

and call public and private layer as one

 

0:51:47.240,0:51:53.559

feature for my second feature yep and uh

 

0:51:51.480,0:51:55.760

oh shoot my third one is gonna have to

 

0:51:53.559,0:51:58.079

be an offline map because at the end of

 

0:51:55.760,0:51:59.880

the day a lot of the hills and hollers

 

0:51:58.079,0:52:01.680

in Kentucky I've never been there but

 

0:51:59.880,0:52:04.720

I'm going to speculate that I'm going to

 

0:52:01.680,0:52:06.960

go from having good service up top to no

 

0:52:04.720,0:52:10.200

service down low and so just having an

 

0:52:06.960,0:52:11.960

offline map is is so crucial um no

 

0:52:10.200,0:52:14.079

matter where I hunt I'm always saving

 

0:52:11.960,0:52:16.000

one because there's nothing worse than

 

0:52:14.079,0:52:17.880

trying to pull up your phone to to map

 

0:52:16.000,0:52:19.520

out where a bird's at and nothing loads

 

0:52:17.880,0:52:21.839

because you failed to save an offline

 

0:52:19.520,0:52:23.960

map I I think it's perfect I think

 

0:52:21.839,0:52:26.079

you'll be you'll be in the turkeys I

 

0:52:23.960,0:52:28.359

think you'll be just fine with the YX

 

0:52:26.079,0:52:31.520

map help year out there so pretty good

 

0:52:28.359,0:52:34.400

ones all right the last one you've come

 

0:52:31.520,0:52:35.720

to Kentucky or whatever new state is we

 

0:52:34.400,0:52:37.319

just stick with Kentucky so it's going

 

0:52:35.720,0:52:39.280

to be your new state for this year

 

0:52:37.319,0:52:41.760

you're coming to Kentucky you're getting

 

0:52:39.280,0:52:44.880

dropped off in the Daniel Boone National

 

0:52:41.760,0:52:47.000

Forest I've gave you three features that

 

0:52:44.880,0:52:49.640

can that you can use on your onx map so

 

0:52:47.000,0:52:53.599

we got all that straightened out

 

0:52:49.640,0:52:57.760

but the thing is to go into hunt

 

0:52:53.599,0:53:00.680

Kentucky you've got your shotgun

 

0:52:57.760,0:53:03.359

but what you have to decide on is what

 

0:53:00.680,0:53:05.880

gauge shotgun you're taking into the

 

0:53:03.359,0:53:08.440

Daniel Boone National Forest to kill a

 

0:53:05.880,0:53:10.760

turkey now let back up a little bit it's

 

0:53:08.440,0:53:13.480

it's this is more detrimental uh than

 

0:53:10.760,0:53:16.400

you think this is like a life or death

 

0:53:13.480,0:53:17.520

situation I'm dropping you off in let's

 

0:53:16.400,0:53:19.319

let's put it this way I'm going to take

 

0:53:17.520,0:53:21.319

your onx Maps away from you so you want

 

0:53:19.319,0:53:23.040

even know where you're at okay but I

 

0:53:21.319,0:53:24.280

give you a turkey vest full of turkey

 

0:53:23.040,0:53:25.640

calls I'm going drop you off from the

 

0:53:24.280,0:53:27.319

Daniel Boon National Force you don't

 

0:53:25.640,0:53:29.240

have a clue where you're at

 

0:53:27.319,0:53:32.000

you get a shotgun you get to pick the

 

0:53:29.240,0:53:35.119

gaug shotgun you want to take in there

 

0:53:32.000,0:53:38.839

and I only give you one shell okay so

 

0:53:35.119,0:53:40.079

you got one shell gauge of your choice

 

0:53:38.839,0:53:42.079

you have to go in there and kill a

 

0:53:40.079,0:53:43.359

turkey to save your life what I'm saying

 

0:53:42.079,0:53:44.720

is I'm going to drop you off in this

 

0:53:43.359,0:53:48.119

remote area we're not going to come back

 

0:53:44.720,0:53:50.040

and get you until you kill a turkey what

 

0:53:48.119,0:53:51.880

gauge are you going to trust your life

 

0:53:50.040,0:53:52.559

with to kill a bird if you want you call

 

0:53:51.880,0:53:55.200

him

 

0:53:52.559,0:53:57.880

up well if I got to trust my life with

 

0:53:55.200,0:54:01.920

it I'm uh I'm looking at Old trusty and

 

0:53:57.880,0:54:04.559

she is a original banelli Super Black

 

0:54:01.920,0:54:07.359

Eagle that I bought when I was 10 years

 

0:54:04.559,0:54:10.160

old she's a 12 gauge and that would be

 

0:54:07.359,0:54:12.680

uh that would be my weapon of choice 12

 

0:54:10.160,0:54:15.000

gauge gives me a few more pellets and if

 

0:54:12.680,0:54:17.040

uh if my life is dependent on it I'm

 

0:54:15.000,0:54:20.200

gonna I'm gonna take the extra weight

 

0:54:17.040,0:54:23.319

and cumbersomeness of my 12 gauge y uh

 

0:54:20.200,0:54:25.319

for for those extra few pellets now if

 

0:54:23.319,0:54:27.480

you were dropping me uh dropping me

 

0:54:25.319,0:54:30.040

somewhere else and it was uh more

 

0:54:27.480,0:54:32.119

dependent on my enjoyment of the hunt

 

0:54:30.040,0:54:34.400

I'd be carrying my 20 gauge which is a

 

0:54:32.119,0:54:37.280

couple pounds lighter and uh a little

 

0:54:34.400,0:54:39.119

bit friendlier on the shoulder but uh

 

0:54:37.280,0:54:41.200

yeah when my life depends on it the old

 

0:54:39.119,0:54:43.760

trusty Benelli original Super Black

 

0:54:41.200,0:54:45.799

Eagle's gonna be in my awesome awesome

 

0:54:43.760,0:54:47.280

answer awesome answer the reason I asked

 

0:54:45.799,0:54:48.760

you that you you know you probably

 

0:54:47.280,0:54:51.640

haven't listened to many Fox Pro

 

0:54:48.760,0:54:53.799

podcasts but man we we ask this a lot at

 

0:54:51.640,0:54:56.839

the end of podcast we talk with some of

 

0:54:53.799,0:54:58.839

the best Predator Hunters it's ever done

 

0:54:56.839,0:55:01.640

it you'll see all this talk on you know

 

0:54:58.839,0:55:03.960

Rimfire cartridges or these small I've

 

0:55:01.640,0:55:06.960

listen to a few of the fox bro podcasts

 

0:55:03.960,0:55:10.359

and uh I don't know that there's a whole

 

0:55:06.960,0:55:11.960

slew of topics more divisive than what

 

0:55:10.359,0:55:15.319

caliber I don't care whether it's

 

0:55:11.960,0:55:17.720

talking coyotes elk or you know shoot

 

0:55:15.319,0:55:21.520

peasants everybody's got an opinion on

 

0:55:17.720,0:55:24.440

what caliber gauge they feel is oh is is

 

0:55:21.520,0:55:26.599

supreme it's always I always like asking

 

0:55:24.440,0:55:28.880

that because some and just like you just

 

0:55:26.599,0:55:31.079

you just you just stated it you know if

 

0:55:28.880,0:55:32.720

your life depended on it you might take

 

0:55:31.079,0:55:36.599

something else that you might take some

 

0:55:32.720,0:55:39.480

other time like 100% so I always I I

 

0:55:36.599,0:55:41.039

love asking that question you never you

 

0:55:39.480,0:55:42.880

know we've asked that a few time for

 

0:55:41.039,0:55:46.039

turkey stuff and I've not yet had

 

0:55:42.880,0:55:49.400

anybody say 410 even though 410 is

 

0:55:46.039,0:55:51.440

extremely popular right

 

0:55:49.400,0:55:55.240

right now have you have you done any

 

0:55:51.440,0:55:57.079

hunting with 410 yeah when I was 10

 

0:55:55.240,0:55:58.359

eight

 

0:55:57.079,0:55:59.920

I've actually got a rule I've actually

 

0:55:58.359,0:56:01.520

got a rule for all the guys that come

 

0:55:59.920,0:56:03.680

here to Kentucky we had some guys up

 

0:56:01.520,0:56:05.119

here in the office that was shooting 410

 

0:56:03.680,0:56:07.880

and when they had some birds get away

 

0:56:05.119,0:56:10.240

from them last season or two shot at

 

0:56:07.880,0:56:12.599

Birds because of 410 I'm not saying they

 

0:56:10.240,0:56:14.319

killed if they shooting a 12 you know

 

0:56:12.599,0:56:15.440

I'm not going just but I got a pretty

 

0:56:14.319,0:56:17.200

good idea if they shooting something

 

0:56:15.440,0:56:20.280

else they probably killed the birds so

 

0:56:17.200,0:56:23.680

I've got a rule here on my ground that I

 

0:56:20.280,0:56:27.480

have access access to here in Kentucky

 

0:56:23.680,0:56:29.520

that if you're over 10 years old you've

 

0:56:27.480,0:56:33.079

got to be shooting something besides a

 

0:56:29.520,0:56:35.400

410 if you're gonna come hunt with me so

 

0:56:33.079,0:56:37.079

yep I like that rule you know the 410

 

0:56:35.400,0:56:40.160

certainly saves on the ears and the

 

0:56:37.079,0:56:43.000

shoulder and you know if you're

 

0:56:40.160,0:56:45.280

uh if getting him into 10 yards is your

 

0:56:43.000,0:56:47.799

thing then a 410 is great but yeah

 

0:56:45.280,0:56:50.319

shooting at a turkey at 40 50 yards with

 

0:56:47.799,0:56:53.480

a 410 I mean I'm certainly aware of of

 

0:56:50.319,0:56:55.480

what TSS does for a guy these days but

 

0:56:53.480,0:56:58.000

I'm I'm with you if I got a turkey down

 

0:56:55.480,0:56:59.920

my gun barrel I'm not trying to be uh

 

0:56:58.000,0:57:01.880

not trying to be cute with it I'm just

 

0:56:59.920,0:57:04.920

trying to roll them over dude I'm all

 

0:57:01.880,0:57:06.960

about that pellet count and a pattern

 

0:57:04.920,0:57:09.559

size and you get so much more with a

 

0:57:06.960,0:57:11.720

with your 20s and your 12s combined to a

 

0:57:09.559,0:57:14.240

410 what is a 410 if you was to break it

 

0:57:11.720,0:57:16.000

down and gaug something like 67 gauge or

 

0:57:14.240,0:57:19.480

something like that I mean it's

 

0:57:16.000,0:57:22.599

tiny very small

 

0:57:19.480,0:57:24.400

yeah well Jared I appreciate you coming

 

0:57:22.599,0:57:26.400

on here but it's been a pleasure having

 

0:57:24.400,0:57:29.599

you on the fox Pro podcast I really

 

0:57:26.400,0:57:31.880

appreciate you coming on likewise John I

 

0:57:29.599,0:57:33.880

really appreciate you having me on I get

 

0:57:31.880,0:57:35.960

uh I get revved up for turkey season so

 

0:57:33.880,0:57:37.640

these are enjoyable conversations and if

 

0:57:35.960,0:57:41.480

you want to learn more about onx hunt

 

0:57:37.640,0:57:43.720

you can simply go to www. onx hunt.com

 

0:57:41.480,0:57:45.920

and learn all the more you could

 

0:57:43.720,0:57:48.119

possibly want otherwise just go to your

 

0:57:45.920,0:57:50.440

app store on your Android phone that's

 

0:57:48.119,0:57:51.960

Google play Apple Apple App Store

 

0:57:50.440,0:57:54.280

download onx hunt you're going to get

 

0:57:51.960,0:57:55.920

seven free days I'd recommend doing that

 

0:57:54.280,0:57:57.359

when you're going out turkey scouting or

 

0:57:55.920,0:57:59.119

the first couple days of your turkey

 

0:57:57.359,0:58:00.680

season that way you can really put it to

 

0:57:59.119,0:58:03.200

use check it out and get the most out of

 

0:58:00.680,0:58:04.680

it so go check out the hunt app and uh

 

0:58:03.200,0:58:07.440

get more birds down your Barrel this

 

0:58:04.680,0:58:09.799

spring perfect perfect and guys if you

 

0:58:07.440,0:58:13.359

use onx maps you'll be you'll be a

 

0:58:09.799,0:58:16.280

lifetime user of it I use onx almost

 

0:58:13.359,0:58:19.000

daily weekly for sure and most time

 

0:58:16.280,0:58:20.880

throughout the year it is daily U Jared

 

0:58:19.000,0:58:21.880

good luck to you this spring uh good

 

0:58:20.880,0:58:23.520

luck to everybody else that's going to

 

0:58:21.880,0:58:25.200

be chasing turkeys we hope you enjoyed

 

0:58:23.520,0:58:29.119

this episode we hope you join us again

 

0:58:25.200,0:58:29.119

right here on the fox Pro podcast