FOXPRO's Jon Collins discusses everything you need to know about e-scouting with Jared Larsen from onX Hunt.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls hello
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everyone I'm John Collins welcome back
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to the fox Pro podcast on this episode
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we're diving back into the onx hunt app
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we've got Jared Larson on the line of
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onx and we're going to discuss using the
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app for turkey hunting success a lot of
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this stuff we'll talk about wheel cross
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over whale for Coy hunting as well so
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we'll go ahead and get started with it
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how's it going Jared h doing well John
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like uh like you and most others in the
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country I think we're waiting on go uh
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you know it's been a it's been a crazy
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warm spring out here in Montana as as it
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has been you know across much of the
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country so um I'm sure there's birds
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getting cranked up well before they
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usually are and uh well I'm I'm dang
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ready to go sit to one and start yeling
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at them oh man it won't be long I just
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actually got back for uh from my last
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Coy hunting trip of the Year down in
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Texas and I had to drive down through
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Arkansas saw then on down in Texas this
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was like two weeks ago and man there was
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Red Buds popping everywhere I see there
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was Turkey strutting in the fields and
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places in Arkansas it had me fired up
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and of course soon as I get back it
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wasn't a couple mornings you know I
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actually live right here in the middle
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of some of the best turkey country in
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Kentucky there is and come out here on
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the back deck let my dog out to go use
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the bathroom all that stuff you know and
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hammering right right off the point
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right behind the house no kidding right
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off the house yeah actually saw two
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goers from the house this morning out
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here strutting so now are those are
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those long beards that are going to be
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in trouble come uh April 13th or yep you
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know it April I think April yeah it's
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always the Saturday closest to the 15th
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here in Kentucky I think it is the 13th
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this year but oh I believe you me I know
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it's the 13th because I'm coming to your
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state on the 12 to shoot one myself oh
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awesome what part of the state are you
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coming to do you know yeah so we're
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gonna we're I'm actually going to uh be
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running around the Daniel Boon National
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Forest there um not not too far from
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like Wellington Kentucky is is kind of
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my plan of attack right now you know of
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of course as I'm sure you've experienced
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many times you know plan a doesn't
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always necessarily work out so we got
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some B and C spots marked on the Old
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Hunt app and um you know it's just
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something that I try to do every year
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with with my dad um you know we just
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pick a new state and uh and and head her
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down meet up and and let her rip see if
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we can't find a turkey um and so
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Kentucky kind of just was uh was that
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state that we landed on this year
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neither of us have ever hunted the state
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of Kentucky so looking forward to
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running around down there running the
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the big timbered hills of Appalachia
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trying to see if we can find some long
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beards yeah you know I it's a I think
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it's a perfect thing to start off with
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with this with this podcast you know uh
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one of the things about onx Maps is you
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can find places to hunt in every single
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state there is and one thing about
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Kentucky a lot of people don't realize
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we actually have over a million Acres of
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public land here in the state of
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Kentucky and the Daniel Bo National
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Forest that you're talking about I think
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there's
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640,000 Acres of it it's right here in
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this state so there's plenty of turkey
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hunting opportunities for everybody out
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there that wants to come hunt Kentucky
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because you know you can hunt every bit
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of Daniel Bo National Force and it's all
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pretty good turkey country I mean it's
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hit or miss you got to get in that right
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section of it but there's birds there
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for
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sure yeah and and like you said that's
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the beauty of the Hun app you know I I
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think in a lot of places across the
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country turkeys turkeys are pocketed
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populations you'll find a bunch of them
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you know in one area might drive 20
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miles down the road and it might be a
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ghost land but you know that's where the
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Hun app really comes into play and and
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as I mentioned you know we kind of have
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an an a spot where we intend to to start
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out and try to find some birds but at
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the end of the day if if we don't find a
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goblin turkey in the first day day and a
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half that's uh it's a really easy way to
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pick up and move to a be spot a c spot
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and using the hunt app it just allows
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you to be you know of Paramount
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confidence that you are hunting on
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property that is that is legal for you
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to be hunting on if that's public or
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also gives you the confidence to go
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knock on a door if you see a strut and
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turkey to ask that landowner for
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permission um and really just create a
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game plan for for each day's turkey hunt
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I think that's another thing that's
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overlooked a lot of times by folks you
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know they get up and they just walk out
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to a knob and start listening for
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gobbles but I think just a little bit of
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planning and looking at a map and and
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creating a plan of attack for each
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morning that you're heading out can be a
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great benefit to uh being more efficient
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with the time you have to spend out in
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the Spring Woods oh no no doubt so is is
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Kentucky a new state for you to try to
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hunt this year or have you been here in
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a year you know previous years never
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never been to Kentucky and you know I I
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I certainly am not quote unquote chasing
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49 by any means but you know I think
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that's the beauty of turkey hunting is
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it is a it's a critter that's easy to
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pursue in many many different states on
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public land um you know they they don't
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have the I mean they have critical
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habitat needs of course but it's not
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like trying to to hunt down a mature
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white tail on public land or you know
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trying to trying to get permission for
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that type of situation turkeys are just
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much more um adaptable and and again you
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can cover some ground and go find them
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so that's something I always try to do
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every year is hit one or two new States
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because at the end of the day that's
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that's really where I get my most
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enjoyment out of it is exploring new
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country uh seeing new places um you know
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and like last year I hunted North
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Carolina for the first time is where my
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old man and I went and I mean of my 20
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years of turkey hunting that's been my
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favorite hunt I've ever been on um and
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so just just hopping to new places uh
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with people that are important to me is
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is kind of my Paramount goal every
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spring you know spend some spend some
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quality time in the Spring Woods yes sir
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I mean it's one of my favorite times of
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year I mean you only have just a few
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weeks to chase these hard Goblin long
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beard so you might as well make the best
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of it right 100% it goes by all too
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quickly and you know that's really my
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favorite thing about about spring is
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turkey season it's it's kind of uh it's
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a relaxing style of hunt as compared to
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so much of the other Pursuits that I
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take part in anyway whether that's
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chasing elk you know chasing white tails
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or or other big game you know if I if I
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botch it on a turkey and I get busted or
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I miss one or you know it's it's a
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couple minutes of frustration and
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cussing myself out but you know then
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it's on to the next it's not like
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missing a mature white tail or a bowl
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that you call in where you probably are
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only gonna get one opportunity a season
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um so just just the ability to kind of
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rest relax and really just enjoy it um
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that's something I always cherish spring
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chasing turkeys yes sir totally totally
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agree with you and and and just going
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right off you coming to Kentucky for the
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first time like when you're come when
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you hunt a state For the First Time new
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state to you uh like in the map layers
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on an onx map what map players are you
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making sure you turn on like what do you
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I know you've been scouting onx like
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crazy just because it's going to be your
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first time coming coming to Kentucky
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what all have you got turned on on that
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app yeah so I mean the first spot that I
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started is is really just trying to
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identify turkey habitat and so for me
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turkey habitat is really all about
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finding those Edge areas those
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transition areas people use those terms
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interchangeably but where multiple
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habitat types come together you know it
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almost creates a a mosaic of habitat
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types if you will when you look at a map
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so the coniferous versus deciduous layer
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I find to be super helpful and that is
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under the trees crops in cover folder um
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and all that is doing is it's just
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allowing me to find areas where there
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are those Edge habitat types where pine
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trees coming coming to meet hardwood
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trees which just again creates that that
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edge habitat and then if I can find
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those areas that have those edges of of
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hard and soft Woods if I can find water
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in close proximity whether that's a big
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creek drainage or a pond or a lake
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system um and then some open areas uh
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you know I think we all know turkeys
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really rely on their eyesight as their
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most Keen of their senses and so they
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really enjoy to have some open areas
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where they can see they feel safe they
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can strut and gather those hens so those
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are the things I'm really looking for um
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using the hunt app is the coniferous
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versus deciduous layer I also really
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like the Wetland habitats layer I grew
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up in Wisconsin um and you know right on
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the Horicon Marsh which is the largest
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Cattail Marsh in North America and so
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growing up I haunted a lot a lot of
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swamp gobblers honestly um so again
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finding those Edge habitats where you
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get some swampy you know lend wet stuff
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that meets uh egg field edges or or
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Timber edges uh again to me it's all
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about finding those edges where deer
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turkeys coyotes you know all of those
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Critters that we love to hunt are pretty
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Edge oriented animals um and so just
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being able to find those diverse
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habitats it's honestly pretty easy on
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onx to find where those habitat types
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are converging and then what I always do
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um is when I am e scouting I'm always
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dropping way points um but when you're
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always dropping way points I think it's
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Paramount that you go in with a little
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bit of a a strategy and so what I do
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with my way points is every single year
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I have a color that my way points are
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going to be so 2022 all my way points
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were black 2023 all my way points were
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purple 2024 they're all be yellow um but
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all of my e scouting way points that I
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have done since I've had the hunt app
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for the last nine years they're always
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white um and so you know if I'm dropping
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white pins that immediately tells to me
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I've never been there this is just
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somewhere I've looked on the map um but
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it gives me starting points across a new
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landscape as far as you know I think
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this listening point is going to be a
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great spot to hear gobble or you know
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this access point is a little bit more
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secluded than most of the other ones
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let's let's try TR starting here so I
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think really just breaking down habitat
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on your map and then starting to put
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together a plan of I want to hit this
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spot this spot in this spot on day one
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to see what I can find for turkey sign
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in this area because ultimately if you
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show up on day one and you put your boot
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leather to the ground and you're not
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finding turkey sign you're not hearing
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gobbles well then it's pretty easy to
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understand that I need to go find a
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different location look at the app find
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my next set of white way points that
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I've identified some some key areas that
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have the that should hold turkeys and
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and keep moving so that's kind of been
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my plan of attack as I've started to do
0:11:04.120,0:11:08.200
some of my e scouting at home right well
0:11:06.680,0:11:09.800
I'm glad you mention the way points
0:11:08.200,0:11:13.360
because I actually had that on here to
0:11:09.800,0:11:15.600
mention uh because man you like color
0:11:13.360,0:11:19.079
coding your way points you know if you
0:11:15.600,0:11:20.360
look at my onx maps all the like coyote
0:11:19.079,0:11:23.360
stands you know I got them marked with
0:11:20.360,0:11:25.440
the with the c the the coyote marker you
0:11:23.360,0:11:29.480
know and man there's just little red
0:11:25.440,0:11:30.480
coyotes dotted all across the country
0:11:29.480,0:11:31.880
and they're really right here in
0:11:30.480,0:11:33.839
Kentucky right here in Central kentucky
0:11:31.880,0:11:36.160
where I do a lot of my hunting and the
0:11:33.839,0:11:37.680
thing was I might got to where I was
0:11:36.160,0:11:41.160
marking stuff like where I would see a
0:11:37.680,0:11:43.440
CO or new properties to hunt old stands
0:11:41.160,0:11:45.519
where I would hear and locate Couts and
0:11:43.440,0:11:47.240
but they were all the same color marker
0:11:45.519,0:11:48.560
and finally I had I got to do something
0:11:47.240,0:11:50.440
different so I went in and started
0:11:48.560,0:11:52.519
having like you said color coding stuff
0:11:50.440,0:11:55.240
I would have you know Blue cows for that
0:11:52.519,0:11:58.279
would mean some one thing red ones meant
0:11:55.240,0:11:59.639
others and so there's so many other
0:11:58.279,0:12:01.040
things you can do with set getting these
0:11:59.639,0:12:02.560
way points I mean I use it for
0:12:01.040,0:12:04.360
everything it's for predator hunting
0:12:02.560,0:12:07.200
turkey hunting deer hunting I'm marking
0:12:04.360,0:12:09.760
tree stand locations entry points
0:12:07.200,0:12:12.560
feeding sites mineral sites you know
0:12:09.760,0:12:16.519
where I've got my trail cameras it's I
0:12:12.560,0:12:18.079
mean I've my Onyx Maps looks like a i
0:12:16.519,0:12:19.680
man I don't know how to describe it it's
0:12:18.079,0:12:22.720
it's pretty colorful let's put it that
0:12:19.680,0:12:24.079
way yeah you you and me both and so like
0:12:22.720,0:12:26.040
I think that's really where it comes
0:12:24.079,0:12:27.920
into play is is having a strategy
0:12:26.040,0:12:30.040
whether that's a color by year or color
0:12:27.920,0:12:32.240
by species something that's going to be
0:12:30.040,0:12:34.800
meaningful to you and then really using
0:12:32.240,0:12:37.839
our folder organization system is has
0:12:34.800,0:12:40.040
been super helpful um to help declutter
0:12:37.839,0:12:42.839
the map because you can you can pretty
0:12:40.040,0:12:45.360
seamlessly add a bulk amount of
0:12:42.839,0:12:47.560
waypoints into a folder um once you
0:12:45.360,0:12:49.680
create a folder it's going to allow you
0:12:47.560,0:12:52.360
to to add content to that folder and
0:12:49.680,0:12:54.120
then you can select you know all of the
0:12:52.360,0:12:56.639
content that is currently shown on your
0:12:54.120,0:12:59.480
map whether that's two waypoints or 100
0:12:56.639,0:13:01.639
waypoints 10 tracks and nine lines um
0:12:59.480,0:13:03.320
you can just hit select all add it to
0:13:01.639,0:13:05.680
that folder and then what that's going
0:13:03.320,0:13:08.920
to allow you to do is you can seamlessly
0:13:05.680,0:13:11.240
turn that folder's content on and off so
0:13:08.920,0:13:13.880
that way you can declutter your map
0:13:11.240,0:13:16.320
screen um by just simply turning that
0:13:13.880,0:13:18.360
folder off which makes all those data
0:13:16.320,0:13:20.320
points invisible um obviously you can
0:13:18.360,0:13:22.560
turn that on at any time but really
0:13:20.320,0:13:25.240
using the organization within the hunt
0:13:22.560,0:13:28.800
app it takes a little bit of time to get
0:13:25.240,0:13:31.320
started and get going um but once once
0:13:28.800,0:13:34.600
you've been invested into it it's going
0:13:31.320,0:13:37.399
to greatly help you be more organized
0:13:34.600,0:13:40.000
and that way every single data point has
0:13:37.399,0:13:41.959
has meaningful value to you because like
0:13:40.000,0:13:44.360
you you know I spent plenty of time just
0:13:41.959,0:13:46.440
dropping red xway points you know
0:13:44.360,0:13:48.440
whether that was nine years ago or two
0:13:46.440,0:13:50.000
years ago and doesn't really matter a
0:13:48.440,0:13:52.480
lot of times when I look back on it I'm
0:13:50.000,0:13:54.800
like what what the hell does that red x
0:13:52.480,0:13:56.680
mean exactly exactly I was pretty
0:13:54.800,0:13:58.040
onedimensional with it so I had to do
0:13:56.680,0:14:01.600
something with
0:13:58.040,0:14:03.720
organization yep yep so spending the
0:14:01.600,0:14:05.600
extra 10 seconds to add a custom icon
0:14:03.720,0:14:07.000
and custom color definitely recommend
0:14:05.600,0:14:08.680
doing that when you're uh when you're
0:14:07.000,0:14:11.079
out there marking up your mouth oh for
0:14:08.680,0:14:12.839
sure and it's just like you know turkey
0:14:11.079,0:14:14.360
season coming on already doing turkey
0:14:12.839,0:14:16.480
scouting here getting out and listening
0:14:14.360,0:14:18.560
for birds and and all that type of stuff
0:14:16.480,0:14:21.279
you know I've got stuff marked where I
0:14:18.560,0:14:23.959
where I go listen for for turkeys I got
0:14:21.279,0:14:26.320
spots marked where I'm hearing Birds
0:14:23.959,0:14:28.399
gobble and I know here after they get
0:14:26.320,0:14:31.040
their uh strut zones you know
0:14:28.399,0:14:34.199
established be marking those locations
0:14:31.040,0:14:35.880
as well so definitely a lot of tools you
0:14:34.199,0:14:37.959
can take advantage of when it comes to
0:14:35.880,0:14:39.480
way points and listen guys just like we
0:14:37.959,0:14:41.519
was talking about it's easy to get
0:14:39.480,0:14:44.000
overwhelmed with just the same exact
0:14:41.519,0:14:47.040
point way point that you're marking uh
0:14:44.000,0:14:49.079
on your onx map there's there's a lot of
0:14:47.040,0:14:50.480
ways here you can organize to be uh very
0:14:49.079,0:14:53.759
helpful for
0:14:50.480,0:14:55.920
yourself 100% And you know you bring up
0:14:53.759,0:14:58.399
you know finding those those habitual
0:14:55.920,0:15:01.240
strut zones of birds and that brings me
0:14:58.399,0:15:03.399
to to doing turkey drives I love nothing
0:15:01.240,0:15:05.560
more than than taking a spring drive on
0:15:03.399,0:15:07.480
a Sunday morning with a hot thermos of
0:15:05.560,0:15:09.279
coffee and and going out and looking for
0:15:07.480,0:15:11.440
birds that are out in field strutting
0:15:09.279,0:15:13.040
around and just getting the lay land on
0:15:11.440,0:15:15.079
what they're doing and I don't know if
0:15:13.040,0:15:18.560
you have a rig that's carplay compatible
0:15:15.079,0:15:20.920
but boy the the old carplay and on X's
0:15:18.560,0:15:23.320
integration into it sure has made
0:15:20.920,0:15:25.560
scouting from the truck a lot more
0:15:23.320,0:15:27.440
enjoyable and and frankly a lot safer
0:15:25.560,0:15:29.399
because I'm not staring at my phone the
0:15:27.440,0:15:31.759
whole time so that's another thing that
0:15:29.399,0:15:33.480
I'll certainly be doing as uh as we get
0:15:31.759,0:15:35.600
a little bit closer to opening day out
0:15:33.480,0:15:37.680
here in Montana is hopping in the truck
0:15:35.600,0:15:39.399
and I always just turn my tracker on
0:15:37.680,0:15:41.639
when I'm going on those scouting drives
0:15:39.399,0:15:43.600
that way I know exactly what roads I
0:15:41.639,0:15:46.680
drove down and and as importantly what
0:15:43.600,0:15:48.199
ones I didn't drive down um and so just
0:15:46.680,0:15:50.000
another really great tool when you're
0:15:48.199,0:15:52.120
out scouting before the season in your
0:15:50.000,0:15:55.079
truck turn your tracker on throw the
0:15:52.120,0:15:57.440
carplay on on your LCD Dash and uh and
0:15:55.079,0:15:59.920
go find some birds I tell you another
0:15:57.440,0:16:01.680
good good uh feature it's a great
0:15:59.920,0:16:03.839
feature actually just like you guys are
0:16:01.680,0:16:07.639
coming to Kentucky for the first time
0:16:03.839,0:16:09.399
you say you got plan a and plan B plan C
0:16:07.639,0:16:11.440
well just like say if you need a plan D
0:16:09.399,0:16:14.959
y'all just striking out you know what I
0:16:11.440,0:16:17.160
mean Y and say I get slow here or or not
0:16:14.959,0:16:19.279
taking many people I can actually share
0:16:17.160,0:16:21.240
way points with you guys where you all
0:16:19.279,0:16:23.560
can come a couple counties over and
0:16:21.240,0:16:25.040
share you some way points for uh private
0:16:23.560,0:16:26.920
ground you know that I've got marked
0:16:25.040,0:16:28.639
that I've got access to turkey hunt on
0:16:26.920,0:16:31.480
that I can let other people's other
0:16:28.639,0:16:33.560
people turkey hunt I can share those way
0:16:31.480,0:16:36.560
points with you where those listening
0:16:33.560,0:16:38.199
points those strut zones those roof
0:16:36.560,0:16:40.600
sites and all that stuff and you guys
0:16:38.199,0:16:42.360
can come in here and already have a head
0:16:40.600,0:16:45.000
start on knowing exactly where these
0:16:42.360,0:16:47.480
turkeys are going to be in the mornings
0:16:45.000,0:16:50.639
and where you need to listen from to to
0:16:47.480,0:16:52.199
find gobblers and all that type of stuff
0:16:50.639,0:16:54.800
well that there makes you one hell of a
0:16:52.199,0:16:56.959
friend John because if I'm getting
0:16:54.800,0:16:59.680
turkey way points on roof locations and
0:16:56.959,0:17:02.480
strutting gobblers that's uh that's one
0:16:59.680,0:17:04.679
heck of a handicap to start with so
0:17:02.480,0:17:06.199
definitely be hearing from me here in a
0:17:04.679,0:17:08.240
month me and my old man are on The
0:17:06.199,0:17:10.439
Struggle Bus that's right hey like I
0:17:08.240,0:17:11.880
said that plan C or D if it's following
0:17:10.439,0:17:14.439
through holler at me it's just like you
0:17:11.880,0:17:15.839
know uh lot the guys from the office
0:17:14.439,0:17:18.280
they love the turkey hunt they come down
0:17:15.839,0:17:20.720
here to to Kentucky and Hunt every
0:17:18.280,0:17:22.799
single year so we'll always run like two
0:17:20.720,0:17:24.959
or three teams out turkey hunting trying
0:17:22.799,0:17:26.199
to film film turkey I'm the one does all
0:17:24.959,0:17:27.559
the scouting because this is where I
0:17:26.199,0:17:30.400
live the rest of the guys are from
0:17:27.559,0:17:32.400
Pennsylvania so they get here they get
0:17:30.400,0:17:34.880
here just the day before season and I've
0:17:32.400,0:17:37.000
got everything scouted out I share these
0:17:34.880,0:17:39.320
way points with them and share these
0:17:37.000,0:17:41.320
phots and they can you know they've got
0:17:39.320,0:17:43.640
the scouting done for them they know you
0:17:41.320,0:17:46.520
know they know the strut zones they know
0:17:43.640,0:17:49.320
the spots I listen from they know these
0:17:46.520,0:17:51.039
roof sites and stuff like that so it's a
0:17:49.320,0:17:53.880
it's that's a huge
0:17:51.039,0:17:57.320
help no doubt so what what do you have
0:17:53.880,0:17:59.559
on your docket for this spring John well
0:17:57.320,0:18:02.159
definitely right here in Kentucky
0:17:59.559,0:18:04.600
uh will probably go to Tennessee we've
0:18:02.159,0:18:06.720
been to Tennessee a few times Tennessee
0:18:04.600,0:18:08.559
used to open up a lot earlier than us
0:18:06.720,0:18:10.400
you know they opened up uh a couple
0:18:08.559,0:18:13.120
weeks ahead of us right there I guess it
0:18:10.400,0:18:15.080
was April 1st so I always took advantage
0:18:13.120,0:18:17.559
of that to go down and hunt hunt those
0:18:15.080,0:18:19.240
birds you know to kind of you know you
0:18:17.559,0:18:20.360
know how how it is you get chomping at
0:18:19.240,0:18:21.960
the [ __ ] you want to hit one of those
0:18:20.360,0:18:24.679
early States just like you're fixing to
0:18:21.960,0:18:26.760
do with Kentucky so I would no doubt
0:18:24.679,0:18:28.320
always hunt Tennessee I did not hunt it
0:18:26.760,0:18:30.559
last year because they backed it up it
0:18:28.320,0:18:32.400
actually start same time as kuy does now
0:18:30.559,0:18:35.000
so I'm actually going to hunt it later
0:18:32.400,0:18:37.840
in the month so I'll hunt Kentucky go to
0:18:35.000,0:18:39.640
Tennessee and then I'll probably go out
0:18:37.840,0:18:41.919
west somewhere I love those Western
0:18:39.640,0:18:43.520
Birds I love the miams I've actually got
0:18:41.919,0:18:46.440
a brother that lives in
0:18:43.520,0:18:47.919
Wyoming and uh I didn't get get out
0:18:46.440,0:18:49.360
there last year to hunt with him so I'm
0:18:47.919,0:18:51.679
going to try to make it a point maybe
0:18:49.360,0:18:54.720
sometime in May go see if I can't find
0:18:51.679,0:19:00.320
me a either a a Wyoming or a South
0:18:54.720,0:19:02.640
Dakota Miriam's gobler so so yeah do you
0:19:00.320,0:19:05.159
uh do you have a favorite subspecies of
0:19:02.640,0:19:07.640
gobbler or so long as it's a gobbling
0:19:05.159,0:19:09.960
turkey you're you're smiling uh pretty
0:19:07.640,0:19:12.600
much uh you know I'm I like them all
0:19:09.960,0:19:14.640
about the same tell you the truth I let
0:19:12.600,0:19:17.120
me back up I guess the Easterns do hold
0:19:14.640,0:19:18.880
a a soft spot there because you know
0:19:17.120,0:19:22.360
that's what I grew up hunting that's
0:19:18.880,0:19:24.360
what I've hunted the most um they're you
0:19:22.360,0:19:27.760
know I like how aggressive they are in
0:19:24.360,0:19:29.919
my state how loud and booming of a
0:19:27.760,0:19:32.080
gobble they have so I guess probably
0:19:29.919,0:19:33.440
Easterns would be my favorite then I
0:19:32.080,0:19:35.559
would probably have to say the second
0:19:33.440,0:19:38.200
would be the mirams and I think a lot of
0:19:35.559,0:19:40.600
it for me is where I'm in Kentucky and
0:19:38.200,0:19:44.720
go to these Western States usually the
0:19:40.600,0:19:46.679
uh the the terrain uh the landscape is
0:19:44.720,0:19:48.280
so different and plus the turkey itself
0:19:46.679,0:19:50.120
is a lot different just the the
0:19:48.280,0:19:52.919
different sounding gobble everybody
0:19:50.120,0:19:54.440
knows that oh man and it's just you know
0:19:52.919,0:19:56.200
I I do look forward to going out there
0:19:54.440,0:19:59.679
and hunting that so it's probably
0:19:56.200,0:20:02.039
Eastern and then mariam's number two
0:19:59.679,0:20:03.919
yeah and how do you uh how do you change
0:20:02.039,0:20:06.000
up your tactics if you're hunting miams
0:20:03.919,0:20:08.720
versus Easterns you know whether that be
0:20:06.000,0:20:11.440
from a calling standpoint or just your
0:20:08.720,0:20:13.080
your hunt strategy in general um because
0:20:11.440,0:20:15.320
I certainly know mine are a little bit
0:20:13.080,0:20:16.440
different how do you operate in Wyoming
0:20:15.320,0:20:19.360
that'd be different than how you're
0:20:16.440,0:20:22.000
operating in Kentucky well probably the
0:20:19.360,0:20:24.120
biggest difference is is I put a lot
0:20:22.000,0:20:26.600
more time in
0:20:24.120,0:20:29.480
hiking when I go to the western state so
0:20:26.600,0:20:31.760
that's number one is I spend you know we
0:20:29.480,0:20:34.440
we'll wear out a pair of boots out there
0:20:31.760,0:20:35.960
uh the turkey numbers just aren't as
0:20:34.440,0:20:39.559
prevalent as they are here in the state
0:20:35.960,0:20:42.400
of Kentucky uh far as gobler per acre I
0:20:39.559,0:20:44.640
guess you could say and uh it's one of
0:20:42.400,0:20:46.640
those things what we found in that
0:20:44.640,0:20:48.240
Wyoming Country the spots you know we go
0:20:46.640,0:20:49.880
back and Hunt these same spots year
0:20:48.240,0:20:53.679
after year after year that we found on
0:20:49.880,0:20:55.400
state ground and you know BLM and in
0:20:53.679,0:20:57.480
spots like that that we found through
0:20:55.400,0:20:58.840
onx and got them marked we'll go back to
0:20:57.480,0:21:00.919
those same spots every year you know we
0:20:58.840,0:21:03.120
don't get to do any scouting besides on
0:21:00.919,0:21:04.960
the map get out there and just hopefully
0:21:03.120,0:21:06.600
the birds are there and luckily it's
0:21:04.960,0:21:08.559
worked out for us sometimes we got to
0:21:06.600,0:21:10.400
search a little harder once we get into
0:21:08.559,0:21:13.720
that uh either that piece of state or
0:21:10.400,0:21:15.480
BLM or whatever it may be uh but but the
0:21:13.720,0:21:18.480
tactic is is just get out there and just
0:21:15.480,0:21:20.440
try to get one struck uh the thing is
0:21:18.480,0:21:24.080
when we do strike a bird out there like
0:21:20.440,0:21:27.880
that W alen country it seems like they
0:21:24.080,0:21:30.919
work phenomenal because some of these
0:21:27.880,0:21:33.320
places we go or are definitely less
0:21:30.919,0:21:35.440
known type areas it's kind of some spots
0:21:33.320,0:21:36.840
you would never think of for for turkeys
0:21:35.440,0:21:38.440
I ain't going to tell everybody too much
0:21:36.840,0:21:41.440
CU I don't want yall looking from a way
0:21:38.440,0:21:43.360
points there in Wyoming but when you do
0:21:41.440,0:21:45.520
find these birds I mean they'll about
0:21:43.360,0:21:47.640
run over top of you you can be real
0:21:45.520,0:21:49.520
aggressive with your calling I will say
0:21:47.640,0:21:52.600
that's probably the biggest difference
0:21:49.520,0:21:55.279
in what I do out there versus here I'll
0:21:52.600,0:21:57.840
actually call Less in Kentucky and
0:21:55.279,0:21:59.679
Tennessee uh just because you know these
0:21:57.840,0:22:00.919
birds here probably H other Hunters
0:21:59.679,0:22:03.000
especially after you get on into the
0:22:00.919,0:22:05.720
season but these little little sweet
0:22:03.000,0:22:07.039
spots we got in Wyoming I'm pretty sure
0:22:05.720,0:22:09.480
we're the only people it's ever went
0:22:07.039,0:22:10.840
there and hunted these turkeys so we can
0:22:09.480,0:22:12.279
really pour the sound to them and they
0:22:10.840,0:22:13.480
just come run right over top of you
0:22:12.279,0:22:15.240
because I don't even think they've ever
0:22:13.480,0:22:17.840
seen a human
0:22:15.240,0:22:20.039
before well I love I love a turkey that
0:22:17.840,0:22:21.640
tries to run me over that's for sure and
0:22:20.039,0:22:23.360
I I think that goes back to the
0:22:21.640,0:22:25.159
importance of making to your dropping
0:22:23.360,0:22:27.600
way points because just as you said in
0:22:25.159,0:22:30.039
Wyoming there typically you know if you
0:22:27.600,0:22:34.440
got on a goblin bird whether that was in
0:22:30.039,0:22:36.240
2016 2020 or whenever it was if you go
0:22:34.440,0:22:37.840
back to that same spot this year more
0:22:36.240,0:22:40.159
than likely there's going to be another
0:22:37.840,0:22:42.480
Goblin bird there so long as the habitat
0:22:40.159,0:22:45.039
has remained unchanged and you know they
0:22:42.480,0:22:46.760
have all of their needs fulfilled you
0:22:45.039,0:22:48.279
know you could shoot a gobler there go
0:22:46.760,0:22:49.880
back in there the next year and you're
0:22:48.279,0:22:51.600
probably going to be W on your way to
0:22:49.880,0:22:54.080
another another good hunt so I think
0:22:51.600,0:22:55.760
that's another important factor as far
0:22:54.080,0:22:57.120
as dropping way points is just going to
0:22:55.760,0:22:59.799
make you more efficient and more
0:22:57.120,0:23:03.080
successful in future years oh yeah I
0:22:59.799,0:23:04.720
will say we have gotten trouble a little
0:23:03.080,0:23:07.080
bit in South Dakota with throwing too
0:23:04.720,0:23:09.279
much sound out there you know we've
0:23:07.080,0:23:11.520
sometimes we'll tag a bird in in Wyoming
0:23:09.279,0:23:13.600
pretty quick and you know we can be in
0:23:11.520,0:23:16.400
South Dakota in just a few hours and go
0:23:13.600,0:23:18.159
up and hunt the Black Hills and as
0:23:16.400,0:23:19.919
everyone knows the Black Hills in South
0:23:18.159,0:23:22.559
Dakota is a little bit more well known
0:23:19.919,0:23:24.679
for for trying to find a Miriam's gobler
0:23:22.559,0:23:26.600
and if you find them up there you might
0:23:24.679,0:23:27.960
not want to pour as much sound to those
0:23:26.600,0:23:28.960
birds because they've probably been
0:23:27.960,0:23:30.840
called to
0:23:28.960,0:23:32.679
I've gotten trouble doing that up there
0:23:30.840,0:23:34.360
I've I've had Birds shut up on me pretty
0:23:32.679,0:23:36.760
quick being too aggressive with those
0:23:34.360,0:23:39.960
South Dakota South Dakota
0:23:36.760,0:23:42.240
Birds yeah I've uh I've hunted the Black
0:23:39.960,0:23:44.159
Hills of South Dakota once before myself
0:23:42.240,0:23:47.159
and I I too got whooped I didn't have
0:23:44.159,0:23:49.400
much time to be there but boy so often
0:23:47.159,0:23:51.039
those those mirams you know you're
0:23:49.400,0:23:52.880
you're oftentimes at least in my
0:23:51.039,0:23:54.279
experience playing a border game you
0:23:52.880,0:23:57.400
know you're you're hunting right on the
0:23:54.279,0:23:59.799
edge of of a piece of private um you
0:23:57.400,0:24:02.200
know for for lack of better term a lot
0:23:59.799,0:24:04.039
of times those miams get coined as Yard
0:24:02.200,0:24:05.799
Birds you know bouncing around bird
0:24:04.039,0:24:08.400
feeders and roosting right behind
0:24:05.799,0:24:10.080
somebody's house and um so so often
0:24:08.400,0:24:12.279
that's a game you got to play and and
0:24:10.080,0:24:14.880
boy you talk about a situation where
0:24:12.279,0:24:17.840
you'd be hard pressed to successfully
0:24:14.880,0:24:19.919
hunt them without onx or at least
0:24:17.840,0:24:22.200
successfully hunt them while staying
0:24:19.919,0:24:24.440
legal without onx is is when you're
0:24:22.200,0:24:26.200
getting into those those Yard Birds
0:24:24.440,0:24:29.320
where there's not necessarily a fence
0:24:26.200,0:24:31.279
that denotes that private property um
0:24:29.320,0:24:33.440
but but yeah that's uh that's certainly
0:24:31.279,0:24:35.600
a game that I play all too often when
0:24:33.440,0:24:37.799
hunting out west is is trying to call
0:24:35.600,0:24:40.120
those suckers out of a out of a five
0:24:37.799,0:24:41.720
acre horse corral or or out of
0:24:40.120,0:24:44.799
somebody's bird feeder and getting them
0:24:41.720,0:24:47.159
on the public but certainly uh can can
0:24:44.799,0:24:49.080
be an easy way to get on birds when
0:24:47.159,0:24:51.080
you're just hunting those borders and
0:24:49.080,0:24:54.679
and really playing off of whether it be
0:24:51.080,0:24:56.640
cattle or a horse carral or um those
0:24:54.679,0:24:59.279
those miams sure know how to find a
0:24:56.640,0:25:01.279
barnyard oh good girl I tell you what
0:24:59.279,0:25:04.039
and that's a good point too especially
0:25:01.279,0:25:05.520
with scouting with with the onx maps if
0:25:04.039,0:25:07.559
you want to go hunt with those Western
0:25:05.520,0:25:10.840
States for turkeys like the Black Hills
0:25:07.559,0:25:13.279
or any of that type stuff if you do look
0:25:10.840,0:25:15.240
at my onx maps you will see these places
0:25:13.279,0:25:17.760
that I have marked gobblers out in that
0:25:15.240,0:25:21.080
type of country a lot of times it
0:25:17.760,0:25:23.240
is pretty close to a little piece of
0:25:21.080,0:25:26.279
private and that would be probably a
0:25:23.240,0:25:28.600
good tip to give people if you find a
0:25:26.279,0:25:31.159
piece of private smaller track or you
0:25:28.600,0:25:33.360
can even be bigger tracks whatever in
0:25:31.159,0:25:35.200
this public or on the outskirts of this
0:25:33.360,0:25:37.320
public and if it's if it's got some
0:25:35.200,0:25:39.039
looks like it has some trees in it and a
0:25:37.320,0:25:42.640
creek there probably gonna be a turkey
0:25:39.039,0:25:45.279
on it yep I totally agree and and like
0:25:42.640,0:25:47.279
that's such a limiting factor especially
0:25:45.279,0:25:49.440
you know I've hunted Wyoming a fair bit
0:25:47.279,0:25:50.640
so I've I've got a general sense of the
0:25:49.440,0:25:52.559
kind of country that you're probably
0:25:50.640,0:25:55.320
hunting if if you can find a creek
0:25:52.559,0:25:58.440
system with big cotton Woods Roost trees
0:25:55.320,0:26:00.880
are definitely the The Limited resource
0:25:58.440,0:26:03.760
in so much of the miams range so if you
0:26:00.880,0:26:06.480
can find good Roost trees uh that is
0:26:03.760,0:26:08.240
definitely the easy quick ticket to to
0:26:06.480,0:26:09.880
hopefully finding some birds I tell you
0:26:08.240,0:26:11.760
what it's some of the craziest stuff
0:26:09.880,0:26:13.399
because you can be like in this I don't
0:26:11.760,0:26:15.520
know if you would call it High Desert
0:26:13.399,0:26:17.919
type country it's just
0:26:15.520,0:26:20.080
like yeah and then it'll be this little
0:26:17.919,0:26:21.960
piece of private that's got a little you
0:26:20.080,0:26:24.360
know Creek drainage system going through
0:26:21.960,0:26:25.760
it with some big trees on it almost
0:26:24.360,0:26:27.720
every time there will be a bird there
0:26:25.760,0:26:30.120
and you can actually call those birds
0:26:27.720,0:26:32.200
off those private pieces up into that
0:26:30.120,0:26:33.440
Sagebrush country I know people probably
0:26:32.200,0:26:34.760
listening has never been out there
0:26:33.440,0:26:36.760
they're probably think yeah there ain't
0:26:34.760,0:26:39.240
no way you can do it especially if they
0:26:36.760,0:26:41.679
ain't been pressured they'll come to you
0:26:39.240,0:26:43.960
well and honestly the amount of ground
0:26:41.679,0:26:46.600
that those miams are willing to cover
0:26:43.960,0:26:49.279
out there you know you know I've hunted
0:26:46.600,0:26:50.960
them as early as April 1 in uh some
0:26:49.279,0:26:53.360
parts of Wyoming where it's been
0:26:50.960,0:26:55.679
negative five when I've been out there
0:26:53.360,0:26:57.559
and then I've also done it you know late
0:26:55.679,0:26:58.960
may my recommendation would be if you're
0:26:57.559,0:27:01.360
going to go west
0:26:58.960,0:27:04.320
don't bother until it's it's May because
0:27:01.360,0:27:06.559
those birds they really start to spread
0:27:04.320,0:27:08.799
out and I mean shoot a Mariam gobler
0:27:06.559,0:27:10.720
will will cover a couple miles in a day
0:27:08.799,0:27:12.880
just working drainages looking for that
0:27:10.720,0:27:15.640
next hen after they kind of break away
0:27:12.880,0:27:17.399
from their flocks so um you know like
0:27:15.640,0:27:19.799
like you said I think everybody is
0:27:17.399,0:27:21.480
always chomping at the bit to to go see
0:27:19.799,0:27:23.559
a new state or they want to hunt the
0:27:21.480,0:27:25.200
opening day because on opening day
0:27:23.559,0:27:27.840
there's going to be more birds alive
0:27:25.200,0:27:31.240
than there is the rest of the season um
0:27:27.840,0:27:34.000
but I really am a firm believer that may
0:27:31.240,0:27:35.840
is really the uh the time of turkey
0:27:34.000,0:27:37.880
hunting uh especially in the Upper
0:27:35.840,0:27:39.640
Midwest and across the West you just
0:27:37.880,0:27:42.240
have you have better weather you have
0:27:39.640,0:27:44.799
birds that are more receptive to uh to
0:27:42.240,0:27:47.240
come into calls um you know you have
0:27:44.799,0:27:49.240
hens sitting on nests and so that that
0:27:47.240,0:27:50.960
would be my recommendation if if you're
0:27:49.240,0:27:53.320
gonna want to go west and try to shoot a
0:27:50.960,0:27:54.960
white tip is plan it for me yeah I
0:27:53.320,0:27:57.240
totally agree and plus you know a little
0:27:54.960,0:27:59.760
bit of conservation comes in that as
0:27:57.240,0:28:01.679
well uh I've tried them before in April
0:27:59.760,0:28:03.840
out there as well and you run into that
0:28:01.679,0:28:05.960
you know you got a spot mapped out
0:28:03.840,0:28:07.320
you're going to go try then come to find
0:28:05.960,0:28:09.039
out you can't even get to it because the
0:28:07.320,0:28:11.640
road's closed because there's still six
0:28:09.039,0:28:13.519
foot of snow on the road so you run into
0:28:11.640,0:28:15.440
that type stuff so I like waiting till
0:28:13.519,0:28:17.919
till May for that but the conservation
0:28:15.440,0:28:19.640
part I was talking about is you know hey
0:28:17.919,0:28:21.279
give those birds some time to get bread
0:28:19.640,0:28:23.240
up I think some of those States is
0:28:21.279,0:28:24.440
probably open a little too early like
0:28:23.240,0:28:26.600
you said you can go up for and Hunt
0:28:24.440,0:28:28.559
early April you know there's still a lot
0:28:26.600,0:28:30.760
of lot of hens that need bread at that
0:28:28.559,0:28:33.600
point so I definitely like that first
0:28:30.760,0:28:35.200
week of May first uh first first two
0:28:33.600,0:28:36.840
weeks of May is pretty much money I
0:28:35.200,0:28:39.000
think we hunting those type of States
0:28:36.840,0:28:40.720
but yeah one thing is the weather and
0:28:39.000,0:28:43.519
and just the access somebody so you
0:28:40.720,0:28:46.360
can't get to because there's still snow
0:28:43.519,0:28:50.080
yep and not just know lots of
0:28:46.360,0:28:53.320
it shoot I remember oh it was maybe
0:28:50.080,0:28:56.120
2021 opening day in Montana it was like
0:28:53.320,0:28:58.279
negative negative3 when I stepped out of
0:28:56.120,0:29:00.200
my truck needless to say I didn't here
0:28:58.279,0:29:03.120
at gobble and I was back in my truck
0:29:00.200,0:29:05.960
pretty quickly um but but yeah turkey
0:29:03.120,0:29:08.799
hunting turkey hunting in uh subzero
0:29:05.960,0:29:10.320
temperatures is is for the birds oh man
0:29:08.799,0:29:12.519
I tell you another thing too that you
0:29:10.320,0:29:15.039
talked about how much how much ground
0:29:12.519,0:29:16.679
those mirams will cover that is one big
0:29:15.039,0:29:19.279
difference between hunting out there and
0:29:16.679,0:29:21.679
hunting here in like Kentucky Tennessee
0:29:19.279,0:29:23.720
type stuff here around home I like to
0:29:21.679,0:29:25.039
get as close as I can these gobblers
0:29:23.720,0:29:27.000
without bumping them you know it seems
0:29:25.039,0:29:29.399
like the closer you can get the better
0:29:27.000,0:29:31.840
you know cuz they won't get that bubble
0:29:29.399,0:29:33.600
exactly exactly I tell you what if you
0:29:31.840,0:29:35.840
get on some of this stuff out west say
0:29:33.600,0:29:38.120
like the Wyoming type country that
0:29:35.840,0:29:41.640
hasn't been pressured if you can hear a
0:29:38.120,0:29:43.919
turkey Goblin you can call that bird in
0:29:41.640,0:29:45.760
I've seen on cover some tremendous
0:29:43.919,0:29:49.720
amount of ground come to a turkey call
0:29:45.760,0:29:52.519
before and sometimes they come freaking
0:29:49.720,0:29:54.799
fast I've seen those birds where you
0:29:52.519,0:29:56.960
know they're they're literally at a trot
0:29:54.799,0:29:59.080
and they're gobbling back at me while
0:29:56.960,0:30:02.320
they're trotting
0:29:59.080,0:30:04.279
yeah I uh miams are great you know I I
0:30:02.320,0:30:06.240
my tactics with miams that are a little
0:30:04.279,0:30:09.159
bit different than Easterns is they they
0:30:06.240,0:30:11.000
really seem to like a higher pitch tone
0:30:09.159,0:30:13.120
um you know if you can get a good cut on
0:30:11.000,0:30:15.120
a box call that hits those high notes
0:30:13.120,0:30:17.679
for whatever reason that it just
0:30:15.120,0:30:21.039
resonates with those miams and then you
0:30:17.679,0:30:22.960
know I too you know that hard just
0:30:21.039,0:30:24.799
gobble that hits you in your core that
0:30:22.960,0:30:27.399
you get from an Eastern whether that's
0:30:24.799,0:30:29.399
in Wisconsin Tennessee or Mississippi
0:30:27.399,0:30:32.679
you know all the Birds just have that
0:30:29.399,0:30:35.240
that hard gobble whereas you know in out
0:30:32.679,0:30:37.279
here out west it's it's almost like a
0:30:35.240,0:30:39.960
you know that same turkey is using a
0:30:37.279,0:30:43.840
kazoo to get the gobble out of his mouth
0:30:39.960,0:30:47.120
but the the beauty of miams is I can go
0:30:43.840,0:30:49.440
out at 4M and I'm confident that if
0:30:47.120,0:30:51.240
there's a bird in the area I can get him
0:30:49.440,0:30:53.159
going and I can have a fun hunt you know
0:30:51.240,0:30:54.960
I might not call him in and kill him but
0:30:53.159,0:30:57.480
I'm going to be hearing a goblin turkey
0:30:54.960,0:30:58.799
whereas you know you set out at 4M in
0:30:57.480,0:31:00.720
Kentucky
0:30:58.799,0:31:02.799
good good luck getting on a gobble you
0:31:00.720,0:31:05.200
know like it might happen you might get
0:31:02.799,0:31:07.159
lucky but eight times out of 10 you're
0:31:05.200,0:31:09.080
GNA have a pretty quiet afternoon
0:31:07.159,0:31:10.799
whereas you know if if you come out and
0:31:09.080,0:31:13.120
chase some mirams I would say eight
0:31:10.799,0:31:15.039
times out of 10 if you're in earshot of
0:31:13.120,0:31:17.080
a turkey you can get him fired up and at
0:31:15.039,0:31:18.639
least be in the game I tell you what
0:31:17.080,0:31:20.519
that you know and speaking of that
0:31:18.639,0:31:22.639
afternoon hunting here in Kentucky it
0:31:20.519,0:31:24.639
can be really good especially if you can
0:31:22.639,0:31:26.360
get one to gobble at that time usually
0:31:24.639,0:31:27.600
if you get one to gobble and then you
0:31:26.360,0:31:29.720
kind of heat check him there you know
0:31:27.600,0:31:32.200
and he gobbles again almost cut you off
0:31:29.720,0:31:34.240
he probably a dead turkey uh but other
0:31:32.200,0:31:36.039
than that my you know when it gets that
0:31:34.240,0:31:38.039
time frame here in these eastern states
0:31:36.039,0:31:40.039
I'm my mind frame starts kind of
0:31:38.039,0:31:42.440
switching over to trying to roost that
0:31:40.039,0:31:45.600
bird for the following morning's hunt so
0:31:42.440,0:31:49.080
you know it's uh sometimes it's pretty
0:31:45.600,0:31:51.600
tempting to go after him you know it all
0:31:49.080,0:31:53.279
depends with that heat check if you can
0:31:51.600,0:31:55.080
get him the gobble another time or two
0:31:53.279,0:31:57.120
you've probably got him but if not it's
0:31:55.080,0:31:58.880
kind of that hard decision just try to
0:31:57.120,0:32:01.399
keep tabs on getting roosted for the
0:31:58.880,0:32:03.440
morning huh but uh well and I think the
0:32:01.399,0:32:05.720
feature that really helps me in
0:32:03.440,0:32:08.200
situations like that determine what I'm
0:32:05.720,0:32:10.000
going to do is is using our Compass mode
0:32:08.200,0:32:12.600
so if you go to your map tools and flip
0:32:10.000,0:32:15.840
on that Compass mode tool the way I
0:32:12.600,0:32:17.840
utilize it is it just makes pinpointing
0:32:15.840,0:32:20.039
exactly where that gobling bird is
0:32:17.840,0:32:22.279
standing I'm not going to say easy
0:32:20.039,0:32:25.159
because yeah there's not really much in
0:32:22.279,0:32:26.840
hunting that is easy but boy do you have
0:32:25.159,0:32:29.519
a leg up when you're able to pull up
0:32:26.840,0:32:31.200
that Compass mode you see exactly what
0:32:29.519,0:32:33.399
direction you're facing so you can
0:32:31.200,0:32:36.200
confirm yep I know I heard that bird he
0:32:33.399,0:32:40.240
was due south um and then obviously you
0:32:36.200,0:32:42.320
know uh unconsciously you are Auto
0:32:40.240,0:32:44.440
you're always like oh well just by the
0:32:42.320,0:32:46.639
loudness of that gobble that was 50
0:32:44.440,0:32:48.799
yards that was 150 yards that was 400
0:32:46.639,0:32:50.200
yards away um and so when you pull up
0:32:48.799,0:32:53.159
that Compass mode it gives you that
0:32:50.200,0:32:55.320
hashed line distance that dynamically
0:32:53.159,0:32:57.320
changes as you zoom in and zoom out so
0:32:55.320,0:32:59.080
immediately you hear a gobble you're
0:32:57.320,0:33:01.639
like that is probably about 200 yards
0:32:59.080,0:33:02.919
away pull up Compass mode dial in the
0:33:01.639,0:33:05.799
direction and then you're able to
0:33:02.919,0:33:07.880
analyze not only the the aerial image
0:33:05.799,0:33:09.799
and what the vegetation is doing but you
0:33:07.880,0:33:12.080
can have your Hybrid Base map on and
0:33:09.799,0:33:15.320
also analyze the topography at the same
0:33:12.080,0:33:17.760
time and So within about 10 seconds of a
0:33:15.320,0:33:21.360
bird sounding off when I use Compass
0:33:17.760,0:33:23.320
mode I I'm confident that I can pin
0:33:21.360,0:33:26.639
exactly where that bird is standing
0:33:23.320,0:33:29.279
within about 10 20 yards and that right
0:33:26.639,0:33:32.799
there just gives me a great idea of of
0:33:29.279,0:33:34.960
what I need to do in order to be set up
0:33:32.799,0:33:36.760
in a successful spot do I need to close
0:33:34.960,0:33:39.159
the distance how much distance can I
0:33:36.760,0:33:40.760
close is there a creek between me and
0:33:39.159,0:33:42.600
that turkey is there a fence line
0:33:40.760,0:33:45.159
between me and that turkey it just gives
0:33:42.600,0:33:46.679
me a great understanding of what is my
0:33:45.159,0:33:48.880
next move now that I know where this
0:33:46.679,0:33:50.880
bird is standing oh I'm glad you covered
0:33:48.880,0:33:52.559
all that stuff that was actually two
0:33:50.880,0:33:55.840
features I was going to ask you about
0:33:52.559,0:33:58.399
was Hybrid Base maps and and Compass
0:33:55.840,0:34:00.000
mode so thank you for covering that hey
0:33:58.399,0:34:04.240
you act like you've done this
0:34:00.000,0:34:06.799
before you act like You' used onx before
0:34:04.240,0:34:08.520
yeah we used it once in a while and uh I
0:34:06.799,0:34:11.280
mean Hybrid Base Maps is just such a
0:34:08.520,0:34:13.919
no-brainer to me anytime I can get more
0:34:11.280,0:34:16.320
information when I'm looking at at my
0:34:13.919,0:34:19.040
map I'm I'm going to and so having the
0:34:16.320,0:34:20.960
toppo and the aerial image is just so
0:34:19.040,0:34:23.200
helpful in so many different scenarios
0:34:20.960,0:34:25.399
because you know turkeys like every
0:34:23.200,0:34:27.480
other Critter they intimately know the
0:34:25.399,0:34:29.280
terrain they live in they understand how
0:34:27.480,0:34:30.639
to use it to their advantage you know
0:34:29.280,0:34:33.280
you're not going to want to try to call
0:34:30.639,0:34:35.520
a turkey downhill to you it gives them
0:34:33.280,0:34:37.480
way too much of a visual Advantage they
0:34:35.520,0:34:39.480
can see what's going on before they ever
0:34:37.480,0:34:41.359
even get close to you so you always kind
0:34:39.480,0:34:43.560
of want to be on the same plane or above
0:34:41.359,0:34:46.079
a turkey if you can be and then just
0:34:43.560,0:34:48.200
identifying you know listening knobs and
0:34:46.079,0:34:51.159
spots where your call can really carry
0:34:48.200,0:34:53.679
out from to to hopefully strike a bird
0:34:51.159,0:34:55.760
um at distance uh but ultimately if you
0:34:53.679,0:34:57.119
don't know how to read topography
0:34:55.760,0:34:59.599
there's other features in the app that
0:34:57.119,0:35:01.680
can really help like 3D in our 3D
0:34:59.599,0:35:02.960
elevation exaggeration that was that was
0:35:01.680,0:35:05.160
the next one I was going to ask you
0:35:02.960,0:35:07.119
about yeah tell us about 3D maps and how
0:35:05.160,0:35:08.960
it's how it can help you be a better
0:35:07.119,0:35:11.560
turkey hunter I use a lot for scouting
0:35:08.960,0:35:14.200
especially the new properties oh it's
0:35:11.560,0:35:16.520
it's invaluable for scouting especially
0:35:14.200,0:35:19.000
you know when you flip on 3D if you're
0:35:16.520,0:35:20.920
in a Terrain Laden area just the 3D
0:35:19.000,0:35:22.760
itself is gonna help you you know it's
0:35:20.920,0:35:25.000
gonna pop and you're going to be able to
0:35:22.760,0:35:27.880
understand you know those Ridge systems
0:35:25.000,0:35:30.960
and where a bench is and and how how
0:35:27.880,0:35:32.720
that funnel or drainage lays out um but
0:35:30.960,0:35:35.920
if you're in flatter terrain that
0:35:32.720,0:35:38.400
elevation exaggeration feature um is one
0:35:35.920,0:35:41.160
of my favorites in the entire app is it
0:35:38.400,0:35:44.200
just really distorts that terrain and it
0:35:41.160,0:35:47.520
makes it really really easy to pick out
0:35:44.200,0:35:50.000
um those those topographic nuances and
0:35:47.520,0:35:52.040
so if you don't know how to read toppo
0:35:50.000,0:35:55.280
what I recommend doing is turning on
0:35:52.040,0:35:57.720
your Hybrid Base map and then using 3D
0:35:55.280,0:35:59.000
and elevation exaggeration because
0:35:57.720,0:36:00.599
that's going to teach you you know if
0:35:59.000,0:36:02.280
you have a full circle you're going to
0:36:00.599,0:36:04.760
soon see that that's going to be a high
0:36:02.280,0:36:09.040
point or a knob um you know if you have
0:36:04.760,0:36:10.640
a long drawn out uh you know it almost
0:36:09.040,0:36:12.359
looks like a finger and that's why we
0:36:10.640,0:36:14.200
call them finger ridges like that's
0:36:12.359,0:36:16.560
going to be a long drawn out Ridge
0:36:14.200,0:36:18.240
system and so you know I think it can be
0:36:16.560,0:36:20.680
used as a tool to help you teach
0:36:18.240,0:36:24.359
yourself on how to read topography but
0:36:20.680,0:36:26.400
also just invaluable to get a greater
0:36:24.359,0:36:29.560
understanding of how all of the terrain
0:36:26.400,0:36:31.440
lays out um um which you know it takes a
0:36:29.560,0:36:32.800
while to learn how turkeys use terrain
0:36:31.440,0:36:35.160
but if you've turkey hunted for any
0:36:32.800,0:36:37.079
period of time you know ridges are
0:36:35.160,0:36:38.720
important to them for for roosting
0:36:37.079,0:36:40.599
oftentimes they'll pitch off a ridge
0:36:38.720,0:36:42.160
into their Roost tree and vice versa off
0:36:40.599,0:36:43.319
the roost tree to the top of the ridge
0:36:42.160,0:36:45.599
so they don't have to put a whole lot of
0:36:43.319,0:36:47.200
effort into flying um you know there
0:36:45.599,0:36:49.280
sound carries when they're gobbling from
0:36:47.200,0:36:51.119
a Ridgetop more hens are going to be
0:36:49.280,0:36:52.920
able to hear that um you know when
0:36:51.119,0:36:54.400
they're scratching and bugging around in
0:36:52.920,0:36:57.160
the woods you're often going to find
0:36:54.400,0:36:59.160
that it's on benches and not on a slope
0:36:57.160,0:37:00.440
uh there's so many nuanced things that
0:36:59.160,0:37:02.920
you can pick up when you're in the
0:37:00.440,0:37:04.319
turkey Woods by analyzing turkey sign
0:37:02.920,0:37:06.520
and just being a little bit more
0:37:04.319,0:37:09.000
intentional in how you're hunting and
0:37:06.520,0:37:11.839
and looking at the map to understand why
0:37:09.000,0:37:13.839
a bird is is using this area oh it's
0:37:11.839,0:37:15.640
it's great stuff Jared thanks for
0:37:13.839,0:37:18.280
covering that stuff and I tell you what
0:37:15.640,0:37:20.480
uh the 3D map feature I think that's
0:37:18.280,0:37:22.880
probably an overlooked feature for Coy
0:37:20.480,0:37:24.520
Hunters U I use that quite a bit when I
0:37:22.880,0:37:26.760
have people you know have people contact
0:37:24.520,0:37:29.520
me about maybe having you know predation
0:37:26.760,0:37:31.319
problems with k boats and it' be cattle
0:37:29.520,0:37:33.079
farm crop country whatever it is
0:37:31.319,0:37:35.480
especially here at home and and if it's
0:37:33.079,0:37:37.359
an a a farm that I don't know I've never
0:37:35.480,0:37:39.440
been on it I have them contact me I look
0:37:37.359,0:37:42.359
up their look up the property owner and
0:37:39.440,0:37:44.160
find their property on onx maps I use 3D
0:37:42.359,0:37:46.560
maps that kind of help me get a better
0:37:44.160,0:37:48.200
idea how that ground lays and I can you
0:37:46.560,0:37:49.880
know without ever being there for the
0:37:48.200,0:37:52.680
first time I can go ahead and Mark where
0:37:49.880,0:37:54.960
I want to make my my Coy stand from and
0:37:52.680,0:37:56.920
I use 3D maps to do that quite a bit I
0:37:54.960,0:37:59.119
think that'd be a great tip for any Coy
0:37:56.920,0:38:02.280
Hunters her listening to us if you want
0:37:59.119,0:38:04.640
to try another feature out on your on
0:38:02.280,0:38:06.160
onx check out the 3D maps though
0:38:04.640,0:38:09.079
especially for new properties it can
0:38:06.160,0:38:11.000
help you find coyote stands you need to
0:38:09.079,0:38:12.960
be making on that property without going
0:38:11.000,0:38:15.359
in there and pushing too far and walking
0:38:12.960,0:38:18.359
past the stand that you need to be
0:38:15.359,0:38:21.280
making great Point yeah I mean uh a
0:38:18.359,0:38:23.160
super useful feature for finding those
0:38:21.280,0:38:25.880
high points and those High knobs that's
0:38:23.160,0:38:28.200
going to give you the the most audible
0:38:25.880,0:38:30.640
Blair if you will as well is the best
0:38:28.200,0:38:32.400
visual Point um and then another feature
0:38:30.640,0:38:34.640
that I think goes kind of hand inand
0:38:32.400,0:38:36.520
with breaking down a new property or
0:38:34.640,0:38:38.240
looking at somewhere you intend to go
0:38:36.520,0:38:41.800
next week or you're taking an out ofate
0:38:38.240,0:38:44.359
trip is our our recent imagery and so um
0:38:41.800,0:38:47.400
you know recent imagery what that is is
0:38:44.359,0:38:49.200
it is a lower resolution um aerial image
0:38:47.400,0:38:52.599
than our general base map but it's
0:38:49.200,0:38:54.960
updated every two weeks um and so with
0:38:52.599,0:38:57.520
that with the update every two weeks
0:38:54.960,0:39:00.599
we're also cataloging all of the
0:38:57.520,0:39:03.359
historic images back to March of
0:39:00.599,0:39:07.680
2023 um and so I've been using it quite
0:39:03.359,0:39:08.960
a bit um looking just in Wisconsin
0:39:07.680,0:39:11.319
that's another place I'll go turkey
0:39:08.960,0:39:13.480
Hunton this year I'll also uh head up to
0:39:11.319,0:39:15.680
to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan but
0:39:13.480,0:39:18.720
locating snow lines like what is a Snow
0:39:15.680,0:39:21.040
Line doing um looking at water levels if
0:39:18.720,0:39:23.200
you're hunting a marshy area or a river
0:39:21.040,0:39:24.920
that floods annually like can you even
0:39:23.200,0:39:27.920
get into your spot or are you going to
0:39:24.920,0:39:29.440
need waiters or a canoe or something um
0:39:27.920,0:39:31.800
if you're in the South and your turkey
0:39:29.440,0:39:33.359
hunting there's so much Timber Harvest
0:39:31.800,0:39:36.480
happening all the time if you got to
0:39:33.359,0:39:38.720
drive two hours to uh you know a spot
0:39:36.480,0:39:41.240
you can quick flip on recent imagery and
0:39:38.720,0:39:43.359
and make sure that you know the general
0:39:41.240,0:39:45.440
Roost location that you've hunted for
0:39:43.359,0:39:48.079
the last number of years hasn't been
0:39:45.440,0:39:49.680
clear-cut in the last couple months um I
0:39:48.079,0:39:52.480
think there's just a lot of use cases
0:39:49.680,0:39:54.920
for getting a bird's eyee view of what
0:39:52.480,0:39:56.880
the landscape looks like in near Real
0:39:54.920,0:39:58.680
Time with those every two week updates I
0:39:56.880,0:39:59.920
think awesome it's just like me talking
0:39:58.680,0:40:02.319
about earlier about hunting some of
0:39:59.920,0:40:04.480
these places out west that I know we can
0:40:02.319,0:40:06.160
find a gobler then we get up there and
0:40:04.480,0:40:08.119
you can't get there because all because
0:40:06.160,0:40:11.520
of the snow pack the roads are drifted
0:40:08.119,0:40:13.560
in that would be huge that' be huge help
0:40:11.520,0:40:15.480
because I mean that's a great feature
0:40:13.560,0:40:16.680
I'm glad that you all added that on and
0:40:15.480,0:40:18.800
you know just like you said things
0:40:16.680,0:40:20.920
change anyway some of these properties
0:40:18.800,0:40:24.960
you haven't been on to for say since the
0:40:20.920,0:40:26.160
previous season man there could be who
0:40:24.960,0:40:28.560
knows what you know they could have
0:40:26.160,0:40:30.440
logged the area they could have cleared
0:40:28.560,0:40:32.280
sections they have could cleared fenro
0:40:30.440,0:40:34.839
out or it could change a a property can
0:40:32.280,0:40:37.160
change up drastically in a year's time
0:40:34.839,0:40:38.839
so those recent maps are that's I think
0:40:37.160,0:40:41.359
it's an awesome
0:40:38.839,0:40:43.520
feature yeah and then you know we also
0:40:41.359,0:40:45.200
have some some Nuance ones like Leaf off
0:40:43.520,0:40:47.319
imagery you know I don't know that
0:40:45.200,0:40:49.359
there's a there's a great turkey hunting
0:40:47.319,0:40:50.839
use case there but just from
0:40:49.359,0:40:53.119
understanding the landscape without the
0:40:50.839,0:40:55.880
canopy of leave I think that's available
0:40:53.119,0:40:58.440
in 13 or 14 States we're working to add
0:40:55.880,0:41:00.640
more States all the time with Leaf off
0:40:58.440,0:41:03.040
um but that's a good one you know again
0:41:00.640,0:41:04.920
looking at Creek systems and
0:41:03.040,0:41:07.119
understanding exactly what's going on
0:41:04.920,0:41:08.760
below the forest floor because so often
0:41:07.119,0:41:12.520
you know an aerial image is nothing but
0:41:08.760,0:41:13.920
green leaves right right well how how
0:41:12.520,0:41:16.240
many states did you say you were hunting
0:41:13.920,0:41:18.240
this spring what all your trips you got
0:41:16.240,0:41:20.800
planned out we know you hun Kentucky and
0:41:18.240,0:41:22.800
Montana I I'll hope to get the five I'll
0:41:20.800,0:41:24.680
hope to do I always do Wisconsin that's
0:41:22.800,0:41:26.760
where I'm uh that's where I was born and
0:41:24.680,0:41:29.079
raised and and grew up there so that's
0:41:26.760,0:41:31.720
one always go back with the family and
0:41:29.079,0:41:33.520
chase some birds around um the Upper
0:41:31.720,0:41:35.440
Peninsula of Michigan is a new one for
0:41:33.520,0:41:37.599
this year I just got an email from uh
0:41:35.440,0:41:40.720
Michigan fishing game that I that I drew
0:41:37.599,0:41:41.920
my tag I put in for so we'll BP up there
0:41:40.720,0:41:43.359
uh I think we'll do that before
0:41:41.920,0:41:46.440
Wisconsin we'll hit that the first week
0:41:43.359,0:41:48.359
of May Wisconsin the second week of May
0:41:46.440,0:41:50.720
um yep coming to Kentucky for your
0:41:48.359,0:41:53.400
y'all's opener there on the 13th of
0:41:50.720,0:41:55.040
April um and then I mean Montana you
0:41:53.400,0:41:57.440
talk about a state that's friendly to
0:41:55.040,0:41:58.880
hunt turkeys for residents I mean I buy
0:41:57.440,0:42:02.440
a turkey tag for
0:41:58.880,0:42:04.400
$66.50 and if I uh yeah they they give
0:42:02.440,0:42:05.280
them away which frankly I I wish they'd
0:42:04.400,0:42:07.800
make it
0:42:05.280,0:42:10.680
$60.50 I'd happily pay that price for
0:42:07.800,0:42:12.160
the same amount of birds right right you
0:42:10.680,0:42:13.720
know if I if I want to do a bunch of
0:42:12.160,0:42:15.440
traveling across all the different
0:42:13.720,0:42:17.800
regions of Montana I could actually
0:42:15.440,0:42:21.319
shoot five long beards in in Montana
0:42:17.800,0:42:23.640
alone I did not know that yeah I mean
0:42:21.319,0:42:25.480
you got to do a lot of driving um you
0:42:23.640,0:42:27.640
know we have we have seven different
0:42:25.480,0:42:30.480
regions in Montana and a couple of them
0:42:27.640,0:42:33.200
you have to draw turkey tags in um but
0:42:30.480,0:42:35.920
region one two five and seven are all
0:42:33.200,0:42:38.839
overthe counter tags that you can just
0:42:35.920,0:42:40.680
buy um so yeah you can definitely put
0:42:38.839,0:42:44.119
together a pretty extensive turkey tour
0:42:40.680,0:42:47.559
just in the state of Montana um and then
0:42:44.119,0:42:50.920
I live in in L Montana which is shoot I
0:42:47.559,0:42:53.160
can be in Idaho in 40 minutes um so I'm
0:42:50.920,0:42:55.280
not yet hunted Idaho but I'm thinking
0:42:53.160,0:42:57.440
this might be the year to to make the
0:42:55.280,0:42:59.119
short drive a little bit further west go
0:42:57.440,0:43:01.319
see if we can't find some Mountain birds
0:42:59.119,0:43:03.480
in that state oh I'm sure you'll find
0:43:01.319,0:43:05.520
I've not hunted Idaho but I have hunted
0:43:03.480,0:43:07.240
right across the river in Oregon uh
0:43:05.520,0:43:08.920
before for and it's there's there's
0:43:07.240,0:43:11.839
birds there they're fun Birds I think
0:43:08.920,0:43:13.680
they're actually Rios aren't they and so
0:43:11.839,0:43:15.400
Oregon does have a bunch of Rios I
0:43:13.680,0:43:17.480
hunted Oregon for the first time last
0:43:15.400,0:43:19.920
year and I I thoroughly enjoyed my
0:43:17.480,0:43:22.480
Oregon hunt and uh I'm not hunted much
0:43:19.920,0:43:24.319
for Rios I I shot a Rio and Kansas a few
0:43:22.480,0:43:27.559
years back and then the one in Oregon
0:43:24.319,0:43:29.400
last year and all man I like hunting Rio
0:43:27.559,0:43:31.319
I uh I can't put them as my favorite
0:43:29.400,0:43:33.480
subspecies yet because I just haven't
0:43:31.319,0:43:36.720
hunted them enough but boy they're
0:43:33.480,0:43:39.119
aggressive they like to gobble um you
0:43:36.720,0:43:41.359
know I love I love a nice surprise of
0:43:39.119,0:43:43.960
some good hooks when I walk up to a long
0:43:41.359,0:43:45.480
beard and Rio's typically provide that
0:43:43.960,0:43:48.920
usually don't have that with a
0:43:45.480,0:43:51.240
miams no no if you're getting an inch if
0:43:48.920,0:43:52.760
you get an inch out of miams Firsts you
0:43:51.240,0:43:53.760
did something yeah and they're usually
0:43:52.760,0:43:57.800
pretty
0:43:53.760,0:43:59.240
dull yeah yep no
0:43:57.800,0:44:02.960
what so what you what your favorite
0:43:59.240,0:44:05.640
state that you turkey hunt ah you know I
0:44:02.960,0:44:08.240
had such a hoot last year in North
0:44:05.640,0:44:09.839
Carolina uh we did a boat base hunt
0:44:08.240,0:44:13.079
which I think was was part of the
0:44:09.839,0:44:15.040
enjoyment out of it I uh convinced my my
0:44:13.079,0:44:18.119
old man to to trailer the boat down to
0:44:15.040,0:44:20.400
North Carolina from Wisconsin and um you
0:44:18.119,0:44:22.400
know put putting the boat on at 4 in the
0:44:20.400,0:44:24.200
morning and just kind of taking the
0:44:22.400,0:44:27.160
trolling motor the electric trolling
0:44:24.200,0:44:29.839
motor and going in through bays and here
0:44:27.160,0:44:31.800
a bird sound off anchoring up running up
0:44:29.839,0:44:34.359
the hill chasing that bird getting back
0:44:31.800,0:44:35.760
to the boat and rinsing and repeat uh
0:44:34.359,0:44:37.480
you know it was a it was a really good
0:44:35.760,0:44:38.920
way to stay away from a lot of the
0:44:37.480,0:44:40.359
hunting pressure you know we saw a
0:44:38.920,0:44:43.960
couple other guys doing the same thing
0:44:40.359,0:44:45.880
we were doing um but very few um and
0:44:43.960,0:44:48.480
there wasn't a whole lot of Road access
0:44:45.880,0:44:50.520
on the public land around that lake so I
0:44:48.480,0:44:53.200
found that to be just a really enjoyable
0:44:50.520,0:44:55.920
hunt um kind of a copout answer but my
0:44:53.200,0:44:59.200
home state of Wisconsin is is one that
0:44:55.920,0:45:00.880
really highly for me yeah um and I think
0:44:59.200,0:45:03.280
really just because Wisconsin's a really
0:45:00.880,0:45:07.280
diverse state in my opinion you know you
0:45:03.280,0:45:09.040
could hunt vast agriculture lands in in
0:45:07.280,0:45:10.680
the South and Eastern portions of the
0:45:09.040,0:45:12.800
state you can go to the western part of
0:45:10.680,0:45:14.960
the state and get in Bluff Country along
0:45:12.800,0:45:17.960
the Mississippi on the river you can go
0:45:14.960,0:45:20.800
Way North and Hunt vast vast expanses of
0:45:17.960,0:45:22.839
Timber and get on Birds um so I think
0:45:20.800,0:45:25.280
those those are my two favorite you know
0:45:22.839,0:45:28.240
like you there's something about chasing
0:45:25.280,0:45:30.960
turkeys out west just with having what
0:45:28.240,0:45:33.520
seems like NeverEnding ground to to run
0:45:30.960,0:45:35.559
you know so often in in Kentucky or in
0:45:33.520,0:45:39.640
Wisconsin if you're hunting public land
0:45:35.559,0:45:42.640
it might be a 200 or a a 120 acre piece
0:45:39.640,0:45:45.079
or what have you whereas you get out out
0:45:42.640,0:45:46.880
west and you're like holy smokes the the
0:45:45.079,0:45:50.720
whole freaking County's Public where do
0:45:46.880,0:45:52.920
I start right right 95% of it's public
0:45:50.720,0:45:55.240
so you run in those spots for quite
0:45:52.920,0:45:56.720
exactly so it's hard for me to choose a
0:45:55.240,0:45:58.440
favorite state you know they all got
0:45:56.720,0:46:00.680
their unique things and I mean at the
0:45:58.440,0:46:04.200
end of the day there's about 30 of them
0:46:00.680,0:46:06.040
that I've never set foot in so uh Maine
0:46:04.200,0:46:07.800
Maine in the east coast has a few that
0:46:06.040,0:46:09.640
I'm keen on getting to here sooner than
0:46:07.800,0:46:11.040
later that I haven't been yet but but
0:46:09.640,0:46:14.319
how about you if you could only choose
0:46:11.040,0:46:18.079
one where are you hunting oh man I tell
0:46:14.319,0:46:19.760
you what again a k you know the Kentucky
0:46:18.079,0:46:21.839
thing because you know I've grown up
0:46:19.760,0:46:23.240
here that's definitely right there at
0:46:21.839,0:46:25.359
the top of the list but if I'm want to
0:46:23.240,0:46:28.760
exclude my home
0:46:25.359,0:46:31.440
state I would have to
0:46:28.760,0:46:34.280
say that's a it's a tough question isn't
0:46:31.440,0:46:36.920
it U I've hunted some the Tennessee
0:46:34.280,0:46:38.640
birds are fun but they're extremely
0:46:36.920,0:46:40.839
similar to Kentucky so I think it's one
0:46:38.640,0:46:45.200
of the reasons I think it's so fun in
0:46:40.839,0:46:48.680
Tennessee so Tennessee would be a toss
0:46:45.200,0:46:51.280
up I'm gonna say a toss up between
0:46:48.680,0:46:53.880
besides from a home state be Tennessee
0:46:51.280,0:46:57.520
in northeastern
0:46:53.880,0:46:59.839
Oregon okay just because more than once
0:46:57.520,0:47:01.760
or just the once just well I used to
0:46:59.839,0:47:03.960
spend a lot of time in Oregon you
0:47:01.760,0:47:06.640
actually used to have some uh some of my
0:47:03.960,0:47:08.839
family owned U had part of interest in a
0:47:06.640,0:47:10.240
cattle ranch up there so I spent a lot
0:47:08.839,0:47:12.400
of time up there so that's where we
0:47:10.240,0:47:14.200
would hunt at and and the reason I
0:47:12.400,0:47:16.319
there's not as many turkeys to hunt
0:47:14.200,0:47:18.839
there but it's just but there is
0:47:16.319,0:47:20.480
adequate numbers of birds there to hunt
0:47:18.839,0:47:22.160
um and they they act right you know
0:47:20.480,0:47:24.720
they're the type of bird you want to get
0:47:22.160,0:47:26.280
on but it's just the the the scenery
0:47:24.720,0:47:27.960
difference I guess it's some of the
0:47:26.280,0:47:30.319
scenery out there in the landscape is
0:47:27.960,0:47:33.280
just so breathtaking you're looking up
0:47:30.319,0:47:36.640
and you're you might see elk up on one
0:47:33.280,0:47:40.319
Hillside and you know and it's just such
0:47:36.640,0:47:42.440
a all inspiring landscape that you're
0:47:40.319,0:47:44.480
looking at and like I said you might see
0:47:42.440,0:47:45.839
elk up on his Hillside some Muer
0:47:44.480,0:47:47.359
trotting around over to the left and
0:47:45.839,0:47:48.920
then you got a bird gobling right down
0:47:47.359,0:47:50.599
there below you in the creek it's pretty
0:47:48.920,0:47:52.640
awesome hilarious that you mentioned
0:47:50.599,0:47:54.880
that because I was I was actually kind
0:47:52.640,0:47:56.400
of what spurred my my interest in
0:47:54.880,0:47:57.960
getting to Idaho this year as I was
0:47:56.400,0:48:00.079
doing some steelhead fishing a couple
0:47:57.960,0:48:02.200
weeks ago in Idaho and and as I was
0:48:00.079,0:48:04.440
swinging flies I could I was watching I
0:48:02.200,0:48:06.760
heard of elk on one Hills side a little
0:48:04.440,0:48:08.640
group of me deer on another Hillside and
0:48:06.760,0:48:11.640
then I had a hen yelping across the
0:48:08.640,0:48:14.800
river from me just y y y y and I was
0:48:11.640,0:48:16.640
just like dang it is uh it is coming and
0:48:14.800,0:48:18.880
turkey season will be here before I know
0:48:16.640,0:48:20.079
it when you get like just like that you
0:48:18.880,0:48:21.920
know you're doing something you really
0:48:20.079,0:48:23.680
enjoy like you you're fishing and you
0:48:21.920,0:48:25.240
seeing all that wildlife and I'm sure if
0:48:23.680,0:48:27.599
you're seeing that much wildlife and
0:48:25.240,0:48:29.920
hearing it the the landscape that you're
0:48:27.599,0:48:31.880
in was had to be breathtaking and the
0:48:29.920,0:48:33.160
thing is when you get in those scenarios
0:48:31.880,0:48:34.960
it's just like I talking about you might
0:48:33.160,0:48:36.800
see elk over here walking through and
0:48:34.960,0:48:39.400
mule deer over here and then you got a
0:48:36.800,0:48:41.119
you know a hard Goblin bird below you
0:48:39.400,0:48:42.760
and you're just sitting there like man
0:48:41.119,0:48:44.880
wonder what All the Poor People's doing
0:48:42.760,0:48:46.200
a day you know you feel like the richest
0:48:44.880,0:48:49.040
person in the world you know what I mean
0:48:46.200,0:48:50.760
it's just freaking awesome dude so yeah
0:48:49.040,0:48:52.599
I couldn't have said it better myself
0:48:50.760,0:48:54.640
and well if if you folks listening to
0:48:52.599,0:48:56.839
this haven't gleaned yet you need to
0:48:54.640,0:48:59.599
plan a turkey trip because I do not
0:48:56.839,0:49:02.520
think there is a more easily executed
0:48:59.599,0:49:05.119
outof State exploratory hunt than
0:49:02.520,0:49:08.079
chaseing turkeys you know they're vocal
0:49:05.119,0:49:10.599
they are interactive so like finding one
0:49:08.079,0:49:13.440
in an unfamiliar place is is a much
0:49:10.599,0:49:15.799
easier task than a lot of other Critters
0:49:13.440,0:49:17.599
generally pretty cost effective you know
0:49:15.799,0:49:19.680
Most states don't charge an arm and a
0:49:17.599,0:49:23.200
leg for a tur turkey tag is a lot
0:49:19.680,0:49:25.079
cheaper than a $700 ilk tag yeah no
0:49:23.200,0:49:27.400
doubt about it so throw a couple buddies
0:49:25.079,0:49:29.480
in the car pull out your hun ass and and
0:49:27.400,0:49:33.280
find some public land and and go plan a
0:49:29.480,0:49:36.359
turkey trip dude that's love it that's
0:49:33.280,0:49:39.200
that's great I got two two questions I
0:49:36.359,0:49:43.040
want to ask you before we hop off here
0:49:39.200,0:49:45.599
um actually three first one is is there
0:49:43.040,0:49:47.400
any other features you'd like to cover
0:49:45.599,0:49:51.079
that we have not covered that you think
0:49:47.400,0:49:52.400
we need to on onx for turkey hunters you
0:49:51.079,0:49:54.119
know I think the biggest thing is
0:49:52.400,0:49:56.000
compass mode make sure you're using
0:49:54.119,0:49:57.520
Compass mode in the spring turkey Woods
0:49:56.000,0:49:59.480
it's going to allow you to pinpoint
0:49:57.520,0:50:01.559
those gobblers location which at the end
0:49:59.480,0:50:04.079
of the day is going to give you a great
0:50:01.559,0:50:06.640
idea on what you need to do or where you
0:50:04.079,0:50:09.200
need to be to be set up effectively
0:50:06.640,0:50:12.000
because when calling to a turkey your
0:50:09.200,0:50:13.839
set up is absolutely the most important
0:50:12.000,0:50:16.440
factor of whether that bird is gonna
0:50:13.839,0:50:17.520
hang up at 70 or be right down your gun
0:50:16.440,0:50:21.480
barrel at
0:50:17.520,0:50:23.640
35 um so Compass mode and then just plan
0:50:21.480,0:50:25.920
from home take even if it's only 20
0:50:23.640,0:50:28.040
minutes look at your Maps flip on the
0:50:25.920,0:50:30.040
coniferous vers is deciduous flip on the
0:50:28.040,0:50:33.240
wetlands layer flip on the crop
0:50:30.040,0:50:35.960
distribution layer find those diverse
0:50:33.240,0:50:38.119
habitats um and then get out there and
0:50:35.960,0:50:40.520
and go exploring so the only other one
0:50:38.119,0:50:43.599
is like the tracker I always turn my
0:50:40.520,0:50:45.480
tracker on when I'm on a hunt um it just
0:50:43.599,0:50:48.200
immediately can bring me back to that
0:50:45.480,0:50:50.480
location so I have a recall of oh yeah I
0:50:48.200,0:50:53.599
remember walking around that knob or it
0:50:50.480,0:50:55.960
just it just helps you recall your day
0:50:53.599,0:50:57.480
events shows you what's you've covered
0:50:55.960,0:50:59.960
and as important what you haven't
0:50:57.480,0:51:01.720
covered um so I I would say those are
0:50:59.960,0:51:03.799
the the main takeaways if people are
0:51:01.720,0:51:05.839
going to be out chasing birds pull out
0:51:03.799,0:51:07.000
the Hun app and uh and use those few
0:51:05.839,0:51:09.640
features and you're going to be more
0:51:07.000,0:51:11.760
successful because of it perfect perfect
0:51:09.640,0:51:13.880
well my next question is it goes right
0:51:11.760,0:51:15.640
off the features here say you're going
0:51:13.880,0:51:19.240
to a new state to hunt this year which
0:51:15.640,0:51:22.640
you are Kentucky and say I challenge you
0:51:19.240,0:51:23.599
for your onx app on your phone that
0:51:22.640,0:51:26.640
you'll be
0:51:23.599,0:51:29.839
using you can only have three features
0:51:26.640,0:51:31.799
three onx features that you can only use
0:51:29.839,0:51:33.160
for this turkey hunt what are those top
0:51:31.799,0:51:35.240
three features that you're going to make
0:51:33.160,0:51:38.319
sure you can use you can't use no you
0:51:35.240,0:51:42.400
can only use three the the others are
0:51:38.319,0:51:44.839
locked up on you Compass mode for sure
0:51:42.400,0:51:47.240
um you know I'm gonna I'm gonna cheat
0:51:44.839,0:51:51.480
and call public and private layer as one
0:51:47.240,0:51:53.559
feature for my second feature yep and uh
0:51:51.480,0:51:55.760
oh shoot my third one is gonna have to
0:51:53.559,0:51:58.079
be an offline map because at the end of
0:51:55.760,0:51:59.880
the day a lot of the hills and hollers
0:51:58.079,0:52:01.680
in Kentucky I've never been there but
0:51:59.880,0:52:04.720
I'm going to speculate that I'm going to
0:52:01.680,0:52:06.960
go from having good service up top to no
0:52:04.720,0:52:10.200
service down low and so just having an
0:52:06.960,0:52:11.960
offline map is is so crucial um no
0:52:10.200,0:52:14.079
matter where I hunt I'm always saving
0:52:11.960,0:52:16.000
one because there's nothing worse than
0:52:14.079,0:52:17.880
trying to pull up your phone to to map
0:52:16.000,0:52:19.520
out where a bird's at and nothing loads
0:52:17.880,0:52:21.839
because you failed to save an offline
0:52:19.520,0:52:23.960
map I I think it's perfect I think
0:52:21.839,0:52:26.079
you'll be you'll be in the turkeys I
0:52:23.960,0:52:28.359
think you'll be just fine with the YX
0:52:26.079,0:52:31.520
map help year out there so pretty good
0:52:28.359,0:52:34.400
ones all right the last one you've come
0:52:31.520,0:52:35.720
to Kentucky or whatever new state is we
0:52:34.400,0:52:37.319
just stick with Kentucky so it's going
0:52:35.720,0:52:39.280
to be your new state for this year
0:52:37.319,0:52:41.760
you're coming to Kentucky you're getting
0:52:39.280,0:52:44.880
dropped off in the Daniel Boone National
0:52:41.760,0:52:47.000
Forest I've gave you three features that
0:52:44.880,0:52:49.640
can that you can use on your onx map so
0:52:47.000,0:52:53.599
we got all that straightened out
0:52:49.640,0:52:57.760
but the thing is to go into hunt
0:52:53.599,0:53:00.680
Kentucky you've got your shotgun
0:52:57.760,0:53:03.359
but what you have to decide on is what
0:53:00.680,0:53:05.880
gauge shotgun you're taking into the
0:53:03.359,0:53:08.440
Daniel Boone National Forest to kill a
0:53:05.880,0:53:10.760
turkey now let back up a little bit it's
0:53:08.440,0:53:13.480
it's this is more detrimental uh than
0:53:10.760,0:53:16.400
you think this is like a life or death
0:53:13.480,0:53:17.520
situation I'm dropping you off in let's
0:53:16.400,0:53:19.319
let's put it this way I'm going to take
0:53:17.520,0:53:21.319
your onx Maps away from you so you want
0:53:19.319,0:53:23.040
even know where you're at okay but I
0:53:21.319,0:53:24.280
give you a turkey vest full of turkey
0:53:23.040,0:53:25.640
calls I'm going drop you off from the
0:53:24.280,0:53:27.319
Daniel Boon National Force you don't
0:53:25.640,0:53:29.240
have a clue where you're at
0:53:27.319,0:53:32.000
you get a shotgun you get to pick the
0:53:29.240,0:53:35.119
gaug shotgun you want to take in there
0:53:32.000,0:53:38.839
and I only give you one shell okay so
0:53:35.119,0:53:40.079
you got one shell gauge of your choice
0:53:38.839,0:53:42.079
you have to go in there and kill a
0:53:40.079,0:53:43.359
turkey to save your life what I'm saying
0:53:42.079,0:53:44.720
is I'm going to drop you off in this
0:53:43.359,0:53:48.119
remote area we're not going to come back
0:53:44.720,0:53:50.040
and get you until you kill a turkey what
0:53:48.119,0:53:51.880
gauge are you going to trust your life
0:53:50.040,0:53:52.559
with to kill a bird if you want you call
0:53:51.880,0:53:55.200
him
0:53:52.559,0:53:57.880
up well if I got to trust my life with
0:53:55.200,0:54:01.920
it I'm uh I'm looking at Old trusty and
0:53:57.880,0:54:04.559
she is a original banelli Super Black
0:54:01.920,0:54:07.359
Eagle that I bought when I was 10 years
0:54:04.559,0:54:10.160
old she's a 12 gauge and that would be
0:54:07.359,0:54:12.680
uh that would be my weapon of choice 12
0:54:10.160,0:54:15.000
gauge gives me a few more pellets and if
0:54:12.680,0:54:17.040
uh if my life is dependent on it I'm
0:54:15.000,0:54:20.200
gonna I'm gonna take the extra weight
0:54:17.040,0:54:23.319
and cumbersomeness of my 12 gauge y uh
0:54:20.200,0:54:25.319
for for those extra few pellets now if
0:54:23.319,0:54:27.480
you were dropping me uh dropping me
0:54:25.319,0:54:30.040
somewhere else and it was uh more
0:54:27.480,0:54:32.119
dependent on my enjoyment of the hunt
0:54:30.040,0:54:34.400
I'd be carrying my 20 gauge which is a
0:54:32.119,0:54:37.280
couple pounds lighter and uh a little
0:54:34.400,0:54:39.119
bit friendlier on the shoulder but uh
0:54:37.280,0:54:41.200
yeah when my life depends on it the old
0:54:39.119,0:54:43.760
trusty Benelli original Super Black
0:54:41.200,0:54:45.799
Eagle's gonna be in my awesome awesome
0:54:43.760,0:54:47.280
answer awesome answer the reason I asked
0:54:45.799,0:54:48.760
you that you you know you probably
0:54:47.280,0:54:51.640
haven't listened to many Fox Pro
0:54:48.760,0:54:53.799
podcasts but man we we ask this a lot at
0:54:51.640,0:54:56.839
the end of podcast we talk with some of
0:54:53.799,0:54:58.839
the best Predator Hunters it's ever done
0:54:56.839,0:55:01.640
it you'll see all this talk on you know
0:54:58.839,0:55:03.960
Rimfire cartridges or these small I've
0:55:01.640,0:55:06.960
listen to a few of the fox bro podcasts
0:55:03.960,0:55:10.359
and uh I don't know that there's a whole
0:55:06.960,0:55:11.960
slew of topics more divisive than what
0:55:10.359,0:55:15.319
caliber I don't care whether it's
0:55:11.960,0:55:17.720
talking coyotes elk or you know shoot
0:55:15.319,0:55:21.520
peasants everybody's got an opinion on
0:55:17.720,0:55:24.440
what caliber gauge they feel is oh is is
0:55:21.520,0:55:26.599
supreme it's always I always like asking
0:55:24.440,0:55:28.880
that because some and just like you just
0:55:26.599,0:55:31.079
you just you just stated it you know if
0:55:28.880,0:55:32.720
your life depended on it you might take
0:55:31.079,0:55:36.599
something else that you might take some
0:55:32.720,0:55:39.480
other time like 100% so I always I I
0:55:36.599,0:55:41.039
love asking that question you never you
0:55:39.480,0:55:42.880
know we've asked that a few time for
0:55:41.039,0:55:46.039
turkey stuff and I've not yet had
0:55:42.880,0:55:49.400
anybody say 410 even though 410 is
0:55:46.039,0:55:51.440
extremely popular right
0:55:49.400,0:55:55.240
right now have you have you done any
0:55:51.440,0:55:57.079
hunting with 410 yeah when I was 10
0:55:55.240,0:55:58.359
eight
0:55:57.079,0:55:59.920
I've actually got a rule I've actually
0:55:58.359,0:56:01.520
got a rule for all the guys that come
0:55:59.920,0:56:03.680
here to Kentucky we had some guys up
0:56:01.520,0:56:05.119
here in the office that was shooting 410
0:56:03.680,0:56:07.880
and when they had some birds get away
0:56:05.119,0:56:10.240
from them last season or two shot at
0:56:07.880,0:56:12.599
Birds because of 410 I'm not saying they
0:56:10.240,0:56:14.319
killed if they shooting a 12 you know
0:56:12.599,0:56:15.440
I'm not going just but I got a pretty
0:56:14.319,0:56:17.200
good idea if they shooting something
0:56:15.440,0:56:20.280
else they probably killed the birds so
0:56:17.200,0:56:23.680
I've got a rule here on my ground that I
0:56:20.280,0:56:27.480
have access access to here in Kentucky
0:56:23.680,0:56:29.520
that if you're over 10 years old you've
0:56:27.480,0:56:33.079
got to be shooting something besides a
0:56:29.520,0:56:35.400
410 if you're gonna come hunt with me so
0:56:33.079,0:56:37.079
yep I like that rule you know the 410
0:56:35.400,0:56:40.160
certainly saves on the ears and the
0:56:37.079,0:56:43.000
shoulder and you know if you're
0:56:40.160,0:56:45.280
uh if getting him into 10 yards is your
0:56:43.000,0:56:47.799
thing then a 410 is great but yeah
0:56:45.280,0:56:50.319
shooting at a turkey at 40 50 yards with
0:56:47.799,0:56:53.480
a 410 I mean I'm certainly aware of of
0:56:50.319,0:56:55.480
what TSS does for a guy these days but
0:56:53.480,0:56:58.000
I'm I'm with you if I got a turkey down
0:56:55.480,0:56:59.920
my gun barrel I'm not trying to be uh
0:56:58.000,0:57:01.880
not trying to be cute with it I'm just
0:56:59.920,0:57:04.920
trying to roll them over dude I'm all
0:57:01.880,0:57:06.960
about that pellet count and a pattern
0:57:04.920,0:57:09.559
size and you get so much more with a
0:57:06.960,0:57:11.720
with your 20s and your 12s combined to a
0:57:09.559,0:57:14.240
410 what is a 410 if you was to break it
0:57:11.720,0:57:16.000
down and gaug something like 67 gauge or
0:57:14.240,0:57:19.480
something like that I mean it's
0:57:16.000,0:57:22.599
tiny very small
0:57:19.480,0:57:24.400
yeah well Jared I appreciate you coming
0:57:22.599,0:57:26.400
on here but it's been a pleasure having
0:57:24.400,0:57:29.599
you on the fox Pro podcast I really
0:57:26.400,0:57:31.880
appreciate you coming on likewise John I
0:57:29.599,0:57:33.880
really appreciate you having me on I get
0:57:31.880,0:57:35.960
uh I get revved up for turkey season so
0:57:33.880,0:57:37.640
these are enjoyable conversations and if
0:57:35.960,0:57:41.480
you want to learn more about onx hunt
0:57:37.640,0:57:43.720
you can simply go to www. onx hunt.com
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and learn all the more you could
0:57:43.720,0:57:48.119
possibly want otherwise just go to your
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app store on your Android phone that's
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Google play Apple Apple App Store
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download onx hunt you're going to get
0:57:51.960,0:57:55.920
seven free days I'd recommend doing that
0:57:54.280,0:57:57.359
when you're going out turkey scouting or
0:57:55.920,0:57:59.119
the first couple days of your turkey
0:57:57.359,0:58:00.680
season that way you can really put it to
0:57:59.119,0:58:03.200
use check it out and get the most out of
0:58:00.680,0:58:04.680
it so go check out the hunt app and uh
0:58:03.200,0:58:07.440
get more birds down your Barrel this
0:58:04.680,0:58:09.799
spring perfect perfect and guys if you
0:58:07.440,0:58:13.359
use onx maps you'll be you'll be a
0:58:09.799,0:58:16.280
lifetime user of it I use onx almost
0:58:13.359,0:58:19.000
daily weekly for sure and most time
0:58:16.280,0:58:20.880
throughout the year it is daily U Jared
0:58:19.000,0:58:21.880
good luck to you this spring uh good
0:58:20.880,0:58:23.520
luck to everybody else that's going to
0:58:21.880,0:58:25.200
be chasing turkeys we hope you enjoyed
0:58:23.520,0:58:29.119
this episode we hope you join us again
0:58:25.200,0:58:29.119
right here on the fox Pro podcast