FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Al Morris discuss commonly asked questions that they receive throughout the year.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast this is John
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Collins and on this episode we're going
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to be covering commonly asked questions
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that we get asked about here at Fox Pro
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about coye hunting Our Guest is the big
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man himself Mr Big Al Morris Al are you
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ready for this are you John Collins and
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yes I am I'm doing I'm doing doing good
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I figured this would be a pretty good
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podcast that I think uh uh you know we
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got a lot of Veteran coyot Hunters out
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there that listen that might not really
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pertain to them but I think they'll find
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it entertaining nonetheless but we do
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have a lot of newcomers to the sport and
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we've got some guys that maybe think uh
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you know they just need the extra tip
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there to get them over the hump to start
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killing a few extra coyot so you know we
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get a ton of questions about that's the
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advantage that's the advantage of you
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and me doing seminars across this nation
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you know is uh we get
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asked much of the same questions seminar
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after seminar and I just this just is
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going to cover some of those that
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commonly asked questions me you get when
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we do these events so yep and you know
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if you work a show when we're at the
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booth you you get a ton of them you know
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guys you know they don't want to ask it
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in front of everybody at a seminar but
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they want to come to the to the booth
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and see if they can't catch you off to
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the side and and ask you and you know we
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and we get it in our inboxes I mean
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daily so I mean I've got a few wrote
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down here I know you've got a few you'd
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like to cover uh but we'll just go ahead
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and get started and the very first one
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I've got here we get asked about call
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volume all the time U so let's cover
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that a little bit we get tons of
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questions asking about what volume we
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run our ecall units at now before we get
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started you've got to know that it also
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depends on which unit you're actually
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running there's a big difference between
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like a patriot and Prowler type unit and
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an x24 xwave and those type units now
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myself most of the time I'm running an
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x24 so that's what and so same thing
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with Al so that's kind of what we'll
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cover at first and then we'll just kind
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of mention what these these other units
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what you kind of need to be looking at
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there but Al how are you running your
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volumes for like your prey distress type
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sounds coxer sounds your hows other
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coyote vocals and so on you know so the
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x24 has the it's one to 40 on the volume
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switch and if you've got a 1 to 20
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volume you know you can prate everything
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we're talking about versus that you know
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cut everything in half basically if
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you've got a 1 to 20 volume versus the 1
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to 40 on the
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x24 um the x24 is vly the best collar
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that's ever been produced I will say
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that to my Deb I mean we still got some
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great callers coming out but I have used
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every electronic predator caller on the
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market and I'm just telling you the x24
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is by far the most Superior electronic
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predator call I've ever used and the
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safe thing to say I I learned you know I
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would like to tell you that this wisdom
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of where to start volume came from Al
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Morris but it didn't it came from Bill
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CIS hunting the most open country in the
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world down there on the Ute Mountain
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reservation bill would never start a
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stand ever
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more or it'd always be less around 18
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volume on an x24 less than half and his
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theory is coyotes have the best ears in
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the business they got the eyes the ears
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and the noses that that carry him
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through the year and so there is no
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reason to start out loud um start at
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less than half volume on all prey
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distress sounds in particular now if I'm
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vocalizing coyotes I may go above half I
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may start out at
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2425 on a 40 stage volume but if I'm
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prey distressing I start out usually
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less than half unless John there's
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always an unless isn't there and there's
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no there's no guarantees unless the
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wind's blowing if the wind's blowing
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five miles an hour I'll probably go
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straight to half if it's blowing 10
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miles an hour I may go to 25 to start
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out right and I that's just I hunt West
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more than I hunt Midwest like you or or
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east and and I just really think that uh
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those coyotes if they're close you don't
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need high volume right right yeah that's
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that's great points I think you're spot
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on and and guys that are that are
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listening when we tell you this type of
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stuff there's I tell this all time
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there's there's many right ways to call
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in a CO and there's many wrong ways at
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the same time now you can take like our
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suggestions and you can call a little
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bit louder if you want to you can start
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out louder you can start yep I I we won
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a World Championship in 2008 me and
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Garvin won our third world championship
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and Garvin had
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Set uh a shock wave up and when he set
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the uh Cotton Tail I want to say it was
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uh Cal's Cotton Tail I know exactly what
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sound it was Cal's Cotton Tail when he
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set the volume he actually set it up at
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like 35 and didn't know he'd done that
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pretty loud unbelievable loud on a shock
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wave and so he turns it on and
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immediately starts voluming down he's
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like oh I screwed that up and I can hear
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him over there 25 30 yards from me
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turning on the shock wave I had the
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cs24 downwind of him I was exactly
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downwind about 35 40 yards so Garvin
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would play the distress sounds I was
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playing of vocals on the
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cs24c that year and I'm like damn that
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Cal's cotton Tails loud and all of a
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sudden that first stand he turns it on
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that loud starts volume down and a
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coyote jumps over the collar at him and
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he shotgunned it awesome awesome so it
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tells you the volume wasn't too loud no
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it and what it did is the more we ran it
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that day I said don't change a thing cuz
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that H that being so loud I think any of
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the coyotes that were there just went oh
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my hell that rabbit's getting eight and
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we got to go they were crashing that
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shock wave so I always thought that you
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had to start out low volume and build up
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no on that particular day and that's
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what it's hard to explain to guys John
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that um what we're what we're telling
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you is just a uh it's a guideline
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Baseline a guideline yeah because
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there's no there's no definites and and
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we I have actually when they are not
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coming to the low volume working up
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during the set I will actually start a
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couple stands in the day really loud
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just to see if I can replicate that day
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we had in 2008 right you know and and
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I'm kind of I think I'm kind of a loud
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caller I mean I have people look over at
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me all the time with their eyes big
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around like what are you doing wow
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that's a lot that's a lot and that loud
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I get guys looking at me all the time
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going that is a lot and that is loud
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right and guess what until I am not
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being successful I'm going to keep doing
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what's working well I'll just go ahead
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and tell you like on x24 like I said I
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run it probably at least 80% of the time
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because I will grab some of these other
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units and you know I like the uh I've
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used all of our budget units you know
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I've used the prowler the Hellcat I
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really like the Hellcat Pro you know I
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so I'll use it some but on the x24 I'm
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in that General like with my coyote
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house I'm usually between volume 26 and
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32 now 32 add loud and it kind of
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depends on the individual sound because
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some of these hows are actually they're
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louder than other how you know there
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might be one how that's actually louder
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at volume 30 then another how is at
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volume 30 so it depends on the it
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depends on the vocal but generally from
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26 to 32 and then just like Al said with
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all the prey distress stuff I'm usually
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starting out around 50% or a little L it
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depends on the stand itself if I'm in a
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more wide open stand I'm probably going
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to start out that 50 55 60% now if I'm
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tight quarters where I think I'm might
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have a Coy laid up close yeah I want to
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start it out lower like that 40% type
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stuff and then the same thing with all
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the other Coy vocals like you pup
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distresses in your fights I'm using
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anywhere from 22 to 32 on that you know
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I'm ramping up and down constantly but
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that's kind of that's kind of my
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guideline I guess and I've actually told
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this story once before it's kind I think
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I did this with you Al cuz I you know it
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reminds me of uh the story you just told
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with with garve me and Jeff was hunting
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and I'd had a preset on camir lonely
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house from mfk and the preset was set on
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like 34 or something like that well it's
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it's probably too loud for that too loud
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for that sound and I had the call the
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x24 set on a toost out there in this
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Prairie I hit it on 34 and Jeff's
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looking at me like
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oh you just messed up that is Extremely
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Loud I look over like man that that is
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screaming ain't it I'm trying to crank
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it down just like Garvin was and we'd
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look look right out there in front of
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the call not like 50 or 60 yards there
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was a coyot that had beded down in that
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Prairie and he just stood up just stood
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up he's kind of blinking his eyes I'd
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woke him up out of his bed you know of
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course I paused it after I seen that but
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that at volume 34 screaming at that
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coyot that wasn't 60 yards away didn't
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pH him a bit and yes didn't shock him no
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no and the the crazy thing is people are
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probably thinking well you know no you
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didn't do that you didn't walk up on
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that Coy like that I don't know how many
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times I walked out and set a call and
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start playing a sound and a C jump up 50
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to 80 yards away from where I where I
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walk from you know they out there to
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sleep but you know that's John be me and
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John be were up in uh Canada and I sat
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the collar down and started playing
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rabbit and a coyote jumped up and
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started hauling butt away and that Kyle
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wasn't 100 yards when I started calling
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and I shot him at 320 and it would just
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it was too much for that coyote that
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coyote stood up saw us up on the hill
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heard that sound and just bailed out
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yeah so you know it's all all you know
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circumstantial type stuff everything's
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different you know every stand is its
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own stand but that's pretty much our
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guideline for call volume now these
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other units excuse me like the prowler
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Patriot hellcats those type of units
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when I'm running hals on those you know
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kyot vocals I'm using it 100% because
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they're not near as loud of a unit so
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you can crank those all way up to the
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full volume on your house but I'm still
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like my pray distress stuff I'm still
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starting off at that 40 50 60% type
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stuff and then all my other coyote
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vocals like pup distresses and stuff I'm
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somewhere between 65 70% all the way up
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to 100% you agree with that Al one time
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one one trip with Bill CIS I was looking
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at him I said bill it is the wind's
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blowing you can get that unit louder on
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a cs24 seed and he looked at me and goes
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never I'm just telling you Big Al Morris
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never Max the
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volume so ever since that day with Bill
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I've never I try to never Max the volume
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right he said you just a coyote doesn't
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need max volume they can hear even in
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the winds right right and you know and
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you know I used to run the cs24 quite a
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bit and I ran that thing on 40 quite a
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bit for all kinds of different sounds so
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you know right different styles of
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coling like I said earlier there's many
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right ways to call a cow in and there's
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a lot of wrong ways too but let's move
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on from that I think that covers it
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pretty good I've got another one right
0:12:08.040,0:12:14.240
here Al uh very common question get
0:12:11.120,0:12:16.639
asked this a ton especially at shows
0:12:14.240,0:12:20.040
that people coming by the booth how far
0:12:16.639,0:12:21.720
away do you place your ecall unit how
0:12:20.040,0:12:25.240
far away from you are you placing your
0:12:21.720,0:12:27.880
Fox Pro on stand y That's my number two
0:12:25.240,0:12:29.720
that was my number two question on my
0:12:27.880,0:12:34.079
list it you know
0:12:29.720,0:12:36.920
it I'm always you can bet your if you
0:12:34.079,0:12:40.079
wonder how far I am I'm usually 30 to 50
0:12:36.920,0:12:43.240
yards directly downwind of the fox bro
0:12:40.079,0:12:46.399
yep every stand I ever make yep I I try
0:12:43.240,0:12:49.279
to be that exact distance 30 yards if
0:12:46.399,0:12:52.639
I'm shotgunning them and 50 yards if all
0:12:49.279,0:12:55.240
I've got a rifle yep yep no I think it's
0:12:52.639,0:12:58.199
I think spot on right there I'm same
0:12:55.240,0:13:00.560
thing 30 to 60 steps and a lot of that
0:12:58.199,0:13:02.519
depends on the of the land on the
0:13:00.560,0:13:04.639
particular stand it has to do with the
0:13:02.519,0:13:06.519
wind direction you know whether I'm
0:13:04.639,0:13:08.320
hunting left or right crosswind right to
0:13:06.519,0:13:10.600
left and they got a roll in the field
0:13:08.320,0:13:13.800
you know just goes on and on but rarely
0:13:10.600,0:13:15.440
rarely over 60 steps rarely only time
0:13:13.800,0:13:18.120
I'm usually like maybe putting it
0:13:15.440,0:13:19.519
further away than that Al is if I'm
0:13:18.120,0:13:21.959
hunting in some kind of little draw
0:13:19.519,0:13:24.519
system like a little tight draw and I
0:13:21.959,0:13:26.399
might take that e take the fox Pro and
0:13:24.519,0:13:28.160
actually go through the bottom of the
0:13:26.399,0:13:30.519
draw and put it on the opposite Hillside
0:13:28.160,0:13:32.360
to keep coou oh you and that's you know
0:13:30.519,0:13:34.920
you that's just like 70 or 80 yards
0:13:32.360,0:13:38.519
sometimes 100 yards but that's just in
0:13:34.920,0:13:41.760
those rare situations so 90% of the time
0:13:38.519,0:13:44.279
it's 30 to 60 steps if I walked past 60
0:13:41.760,0:13:46.279
steps somebody needs a whistle at me cuz
0:13:44.279,0:13:48.199
I've you know went into a days or
0:13:46.279,0:13:50.959
something because I'm pretty lazy a lot
0:13:48.199,0:13:53.360
sometimes I'm just sitting at 20 steps
0:13:50.959,0:13:56.759
right well and sometimes I'll set the
0:13:53.360,0:13:58.880
collar and then walk past the fox Pro
0:13:56.759,0:14:01.320
and it and and that we'll get into the
0:13:58.880,0:14:03.639
next question which is you know do you
0:14:01.320,0:14:06.560
do you call upwind or downwind that's
0:14:03.639,0:14:09.639
another question but um sometimes I will
0:14:06.560,0:14:11.199
place the caller behind me 90% of the
0:14:09.639,0:14:14.399
time I place the collar in front of me
0:14:11.199,0:14:17.360
30 to 50 yards and I'm usually directly
0:14:14.399,0:14:20.519
downwind of the collar that is the ideal
0:14:17.360,0:14:23.000
situation um I'll be 30 yards downwind
0:14:20.519,0:14:24.199
or crosswind if it's a hard left to
0:14:23.000,0:14:25.399
right and I've got the collar straight
0:14:24.199,0:14:27.279
out in front of me and the winds
0:14:25.399,0:14:29.839
straight out of my left I don't mind a
0:14:27.279,0:14:32.040
good crosswind as long as I can see
0:14:29.839,0:14:36.160
downwind right those coyotes are going
0:14:32.040,0:14:38.360
to end up downwind of the x24 yep no
0:14:36.160,0:14:40.880
spot on you know one of the things you
0:14:38.360,0:14:43.600
know building off this question here you
0:14:40.880,0:14:45.480
know when I answer that at a show not
0:14:43.600,0:14:46.880
always but some people ask why don't you
0:14:45.480,0:14:48.639
take it out even further than that how
0:14:46.880,0:14:50.199
long how far is the remote range I said
0:14:48.639,0:14:52.199
well the remote range is a few hundred
0:14:50.199,0:14:53.880
yards but there's no sense in walking
0:14:52.199,0:14:55.440
walking that far you're walking through
0:14:53.880,0:14:59.079
more country that you could have done
0:14:55.440,0:15:00.880
called A C through um there's just
0:14:59.079,0:15:04.079
rarely a situation where you actually
0:15:00.880,0:15:05.759
need to set it more than that 30 to 60
0:15:04.079,0:15:07.000
steps unless it's one of those deals
0:15:05.759,0:15:09.320
like you just want to keep him on
0:15:07.000,0:15:11.360
another heelside or there's some kind of
0:15:09.320,0:15:13.120
terrain feature that I was just at my
0:15:11.360,0:15:16.560
shooting range I was just at my shooting
0:15:13.120,0:15:19.480
range John and I got my x24 it was off
0:15:16.560,0:15:21.759
the ground uh 2 and a half feet kind of
0:15:19.480,0:15:24.079
on a cooler an old old cooler that
0:15:21.759,0:15:27.519
somebody had shot up there I set that
0:15:24.079,0:15:30.120
x24 on the cooler and I got to 453 yards
0:15:27.519,0:15:33.360
and it would volume up and down and mute
0:15:30.120,0:15:34.880
on and off yep and so and then I see
0:15:33.360,0:15:37.839
guys on the internet saying they can't
0:15:34.880,0:15:41.279
get more than 30 yards and if that's the
0:15:37.839,0:15:43.040
case they are near a cell phone tower
0:15:41.279,0:15:44.959
where there is a lot of metals in the
0:15:43.040,0:15:47.079
ground I there's a spot in Nevada where
0:15:44.959,0:15:49.759
I can't get more than about 50 yards
0:15:47.079,0:15:52.120
from my collars because of the metal
0:15:49.759,0:15:55.519
that's in the ground and you literally
0:15:52.120,0:15:58.000
when you sat down um the metal is it's
0:15:55.519,0:15:59.480
magnetic it sticks to stuff you actually
0:15:58.000,0:16:02.160
rocks will stick
0:15:59.480,0:16:04.120
to other pieces of metal when you set a
0:16:02.160,0:16:06.399
gun down in it and stuff it's just the
0:16:04.120,0:16:08.920
craziest ground I've ever been in but I
0:16:06.399,0:16:11.240
know that that influences the distance
0:16:08.920,0:16:13.079
of our remote oh yeah yeah there there
0:16:11.240,0:16:15.480
situ there's stuff that can't interfere
0:16:13.079,0:16:17.600
with remote range like uh High static
0:16:15.480,0:16:20.759
power lines can cause interference from
0:16:17.600,0:16:23.279
time to time cell phone towers internet
0:16:20.759,0:16:25.399
towers that type of stuff but you know
0:16:23.279,0:16:28.079
and just Metals in the ground right
0:16:25.399,0:16:29.279
exactly but you know one thing I tell
0:16:28.079,0:16:30.880
people a lot especially these new
0:16:29.279,0:16:32.360
Hunters when they come ask about why
0:16:30.880,0:16:33.440
don't you set it out there further it's
0:16:32.360,0:16:36.319
kind of like one of those deals well if
0:16:33.440,0:16:39.120
I walk it out there at 150 yards and I
0:16:36.319,0:16:42.120
call a Ked up and he hangs out he hangs
0:16:39.120,0:16:45.600
up at 150 yards in front of the call now
0:16:42.120,0:16:47.680
I've got a 300 yard shot shot you know
0:16:45.600,0:16:50.199
why not set the thing closer and shoot
0:16:47.680,0:16:53.720
the coyotes close they got four legs we
0:16:50.199,0:16:57.000
got two way I at it we make them come to
0:16:53.720,0:17:01.199
us yeah no and then hey back in the days
0:16:57.000,0:17:02.759
before we used a fox Pro back the 90s um
0:17:01.199,0:17:05.120
the 97 when we won that world
0:17:02.759,0:17:07.360
championship 98 the very next year
0:17:05.120,0:17:09.199
Garvin we only had hand calls Garin was
0:17:07.360,0:17:13.000
blowing a Cersei I was had my diaphragm
0:17:09.199,0:17:15.280
in my mouth and uh G Garvin would set up
0:17:13.000,0:17:17.240
and I would take off and go 100 125
0:17:15.280,0:17:18.839
yards downwind Garvin and I was
0:17:17.240,0:17:21.360
shotgunning coyotes that were coming
0:17:18.839,0:17:24.199
into him but circling to get his wind
0:17:21.360,0:17:26.360
right and and I mean that it makes sense
0:17:24.199,0:17:29.120
sometimes to get that distance between
0:17:26.360,0:17:31.280
the actual caller and if those used see
0:17:29.120,0:17:34.360
those coyos circling consistently at 100
0:17:31.280,0:17:37.960
150 200 yards it makes sense to maybe
0:17:34.360,0:17:40.200
bump down to that 7500 yard distance but
0:17:37.960,0:17:42.400
that's a rare rare condition yeah yeah
0:17:40.200,0:17:44.000
yep I totally agree and since we're on
0:17:42.400,0:17:46.039
wind direction and stuff I know you got
0:17:44.000,0:17:48.120
a a question you get asked qu quite a
0:17:46.039,0:17:49.400
bit there Al about about hunting
0:17:48.120,0:17:52.160
different wind directions you want to
0:17:49.400,0:17:53.640
cover that real quick well I mean
0:17:52.160,0:17:56.360
everybody goes to you put the call
0:17:53.640,0:17:58.480
upwind or you downwind and typically in
0:17:56.360,0:18:01.400
a perfect world John I would put the
0:17:58.480,0:18:04.200
call out I would be directly downwind
0:18:01.400,0:18:06.200
and the sun would be at my back right
0:18:04.200,0:18:07.960
but the reality of that is it just
0:18:06.200,0:18:11.080
doesn't happen out in the field very
0:18:07.960,0:18:15.520
often can you get those three conditions
0:18:11.080,0:18:17.240
so I I love being downwind to the call
0:18:15.520,0:18:18.760
and having the coyote Circle right there
0:18:17.240,0:18:20.000
and you can within shot you know
0:18:18.760,0:18:22.240
everybody makes a big deal out of
0:18:20.000,0:18:25.559
shotgun and coyotes right well it's all
0:18:22.240,0:18:27.280
how you set up it it's not that guy's a
0:18:25.559,0:18:29.320
better coyote Hunter because he shotguns
0:18:27.280,0:18:31.840
more coyotes some people spend their
0:18:29.320,0:18:33.600
entire day setting up shotgun stands
0:18:31.840,0:18:35.080
they want to be tight they're within 30
0:18:33.600,0:18:36.840
yards of the collar they're directly
0:18:35.080,0:18:38.799
downwind or right there close enough it
0:18:36.840,0:18:40.520
doesn't matter what win Direction they
0:18:38.799,0:18:42.080
can shotgun those coyotes and that's all
0:18:40.520,0:18:44.760
you're doing is setting up close to the
0:18:42.080,0:18:47.200
caller or you're hand calling a lot that
0:18:44.760,0:18:50.360
tends to be a great shotgun scenario as
0:18:47.200,0:18:52.840
hand calling but at the end of the day
0:18:50.360,0:18:55.000
um I used to make such a big deal I mean
0:18:52.840,0:18:57.840
me and gar we took it to the extent that
0:18:55.000,0:18:59.880
we would take skunks in and paper towel
0:18:57.840,0:19:02.559
and roll up a little piece of P of
0:18:59.880,0:19:05.080
toilet paper and I would put skunk sent
0:19:02.559,0:19:06.960
upwind of US 20 30 yards and then I
0:19:05.080,0:19:10.120
would put skunk sent downwind of US 20
0:19:06.960,0:19:13.159
30 yards while Garvin was setting up and
0:19:10.120,0:19:16.120
and we used to I mean the hours I used
0:19:13.159,0:19:18.080
to waste worrying about wind direction
0:19:16.120,0:19:20.360
and now I know that if I'm within 30
0:19:18.080,0:19:22.559
yards of that collar I can be upwind
0:19:20.360,0:19:26.039
I'll even set up with a downwind
0:19:22.559,0:19:27.799
situation where I can see a 100 200 300
0:19:26.039,0:19:30.200
yards directly down wi so if a coyot
0:19:27.799,0:19:32.039
circles to get my wind he's exposing
0:19:30.200,0:19:35.799
himself I'm going to get a shot with
0:19:32.039,0:19:37.240
that Ruger rifle at any distance so I
0:19:35.799,0:19:39.280
really spent a lot of time in my
0:19:37.240,0:19:42.039
seminars telling guys to quit worrying
0:19:39.280,0:19:45.679
about wind direction so much just get to
0:19:42.039,0:19:47.600
where you can see downwind because 90%
0:19:45.679,0:19:49.640
of the coyotes I mean there is that
0:19:47.600,0:19:52.120
occasional Charger hard charger that
0:19:49.640,0:19:55.600
just wind be damned that Coyote's coming
0:19:52.120,0:19:57.360
to that call but I used to worry so much
0:19:55.600,0:19:58.919
about wind direction now I quit worrying
0:19:57.360,0:20:01.600
about wind direction and just make the
0:19:58.919,0:20:03.440
stands and I set myself up for success
0:20:01.600,0:20:05.120
and that's setting yourself up where
0:20:03.440,0:20:06.960
you're trying to draw those coyotes out
0:20:05.120,0:20:09.039
into a location where you can get a shot
0:20:06.960,0:20:11.039
at him and that's really all the game is
0:20:09.039,0:20:14.320
right right and I'm gonna say one thing
0:20:11.039,0:20:16.919
to feed off that and I would Al don't
0:20:14.320,0:20:20.880
don't get mad at me because I will never
0:20:16.919,0:20:23.440
tell I will never say that the four-time
0:20:20.880,0:20:25.480
world champion is wrong I'm just going
0:20:23.440,0:20:28.880
to put a little Aster I'm going to put a
0:20:25.480,0:20:30.760
little Aster beside it okay on it on it
0:20:28.880,0:20:33.720
when it comes to wind direction this is
0:20:30.760,0:20:36.159
just a simple thing for guys to remember
0:20:33.720,0:20:37.799
especially you newcomers Al was talking
0:20:36.159,0:20:40.679
about you know it doesn't pay much
0:20:37.799,0:20:42.600
attention to wind direction you got to
0:20:40.679,0:20:44.919
understand Al has got so much experience
0:20:42.600,0:20:46.360
he knows how he he visualizes the stand
0:20:44.919,0:20:47.640
when he comes up to it and knows how
0:20:46.360,0:20:50.000
it's going to work out it doesn't matter
0:20:47.640,0:20:52.400
if it's in the high desert or what but
0:20:50.000,0:20:54.440
say if you're back east and you're
0:20:52.400,0:20:56.120
hunting like this broken up Farm country
0:20:54.440,0:20:57.600
and you're hunting this crop field and
0:20:56.120,0:21:00.200
there's like this one little patch of
0:20:57.600,0:21:01.360
woods out there okay yeah guess what
0:21:00.200,0:21:04.240
that's probably what's holding your
0:21:01.360,0:21:06.799
couch right little patch the wind
0:21:04.240,0:21:08.159
blowing into that patch of woods got to
0:21:06.799,0:21:09.840
pay attention to your wind direction on
0:21:08.159,0:21:11.200
that type so you got to know that you
0:21:09.840,0:21:12.880
know the main thing to think of when it
0:21:11.200,0:21:15.799
comes to that type of stuff is you do
0:21:12.880,0:21:19.000
not want the wind blowing from you to
0:21:15.799,0:21:20.000
where you think your coyotes are yes so
0:21:19.000,0:21:24.440
just a
0:21:20.000,0:21:26.039
simple you know and so that's you know
0:21:24.440,0:21:28.919
you've got to have some woodsmanship
0:21:26.039,0:21:32.000
right John and we can't we can't teach
0:21:28.919,0:21:34.320
you that um you've got to know that if a
0:21:32.000,0:21:36.320
coyote is directly down wind of you 500
0:21:34.320,0:21:38.200
yards and they can and you've been there
0:21:36.320,0:21:40.120
sitting there for 10 minutes those
0:21:38.200,0:21:42.440
coyotes at 500 yards are going to smell
0:21:40.120,0:21:44.360
you right and if they've had any
0:21:42.440,0:21:46.000
experience with human beings and that's
0:21:44.360,0:21:47.559
the thing about these you know everybody
0:21:46.000,0:21:49.080
says what's you know the Eastern
0:21:47.559,0:21:51.320
Coyote's so much harder to kill than the
0:21:49.080,0:21:53.880
Western coyote and I'm telling you guys
0:21:51.320,0:21:56.400
a coyote is a coyote is a coyote they're
0:21:53.880,0:21:58.880
no different if you set up 500 yards in
0:21:56.400,0:22:00.080
thick sage in Nevada and you really
0:21:58.880,0:22:02.360
think those coyes are going to come out
0:22:00.080,0:22:04.360
of that thick sage and they smell you
0:22:02.360,0:22:06.559
they are not going to come and it's the
0:22:04.360,0:22:08.039
same thing in New York if you set up in
0:22:06.559,0:22:11.200
New York in those Hardwoods and they
0:22:08.039,0:22:12.880
smell you they are not going to come so
0:22:11.200,0:22:16.760
what you're doing is what you're saying
0:22:12.880,0:22:18.600
is you can't you know in 360 degrees
0:22:16.760,0:22:20.440
there is going to be a wind direction if
0:22:18.600,0:22:22.120
you're lucky there's no wind but me and
0:22:20.440,0:22:24.880
you have talked about how no wind days
0:22:22.120,0:22:26.880
suck worse than oh man yeah 10 Mile hour
0:22:24.880,0:22:29.320
days because that wind I think those
0:22:26.880,0:22:32.320
coyotes depend on the Wind you know they
0:22:29.320,0:22:35.360
live by the wind and uh most places the
0:22:32.320,0:22:38.600
wind blows more more than it doesn't
0:22:35.360,0:22:40.840
especially out in you know in Eastern
0:22:38.600,0:22:43.960
New Mexico and and even any of the
0:22:40.840,0:22:46.360
western states Oklahoma Nebraska Kansas
0:22:43.960,0:22:48.520
the wind blows I mean these coyotes get
0:22:46.360,0:22:50.559
good at living in the wind so when I say
0:22:48.520,0:22:52.279
don't pay attention to the wind as much
0:22:50.559,0:22:54.320
I used to spend all my time worried
0:22:52.279,0:22:56.520
about wind direction and I would I would
0:22:54.320,0:22:59.600
constantly try and tweak sets based on
0:22:56.520,0:23:02.039
wind and what I found out is is only
0:22:59.600,0:23:03.960
about and and you I want to know your
0:23:02.039,0:23:06.760
number John I'm putting you on the spot
0:23:03.960,0:23:08.600
on this number often times when me and
0:23:06.760,0:23:10.960
you and you talked about visualizing a
0:23:08.600,0:23:13.159
stand how often does a coyot come
0:23:10.960,0:23:16.320
exactly where you thought he would come
0:23:13.159,0:23:19.480
from for me I think it's about a 40% 30
0:23:16.320,0:23:23.000
40% deal yes that kyot did the rest of
0:23:19.480,0:23:24.760
the time 70% of my stands 60% of my
0:23:23.000,0:23:27.440
stands I think the coyote comes from a
0:23:24.760,0:23:30.200
place I had I didn't even think a Coy
0:23:27.440,0:23:32.679
would come from number well see that
0:23:30.200,0:23:34.799
that comes down to the I really think
0:23:32.679,0:23:37.120
this comes down to uh the part of the
0:23:34.799,0:23:38.840
country you're hunting CU this will show
0:23:37.120,0:23:41.400
you you know just like you was talking
0:23:38.840,0:23:44.400
about you know a cow's going to smell
0:23:41.400,0:23:45.919
you and booger out and become KY and
0:23:44.400,0:23:48.120
you're not going to call that c up don't
0:23:45.919,0:23:49.679
matter if it's Utah or Pennsylvania
0:23:48.120,0:23:52.279
right if he smells you he smells you you
0:23:49.679,0:23:54.480
ain't going to call him in that's where
0:23:52.279,0:23:56.039
those situations are the same that CO's
0:23:54.480,0:23:58.600
the same but I tell you what is
0:23:56.039,0:24:01.039
different is like when you are hunting
0:23:58.600,0:24:03.640
that Sage Brush Country there in Utah or
0:24:01.039,0:24:06.640
that high desert type stuff and parts of
0:24:03.640,0:24:08.600
Wyoming and you know this this big Open
0:24:06.640,0:24:09.720
Country like your wyomings your Montanas
0:24:08.600,0:24:12.720
Utah
0:24:09.720,0:24:15.919
Nevadas Arizona New Mexico all that you
0:24:12.720,0:24:17.520
know traditional Western stuff there's a
0:24:15.919,0:24:20.240
couple things that play in that there's
0:24:17.520,0:24:23.799
so much ground and so much stuff that
0:24:20.240,0:24:26.159
can hold a ky in that TP in that in that
0:24:23.799,0:24:28.880
those areas in that terrain you know if
0:24:26.159,0:24:30.840
you look out across this Sagebrush flat
0:24:28.880,0:24:33.440
and it's Sage Brush flat as far as you
0:24:30.840,0:24:36.760
can see in every single Direction and
0:24:33.440,0:24:38.840
there's a gazillion upon gazillions of
0:24:36.760,0:24:41.320
sage bushes out there and nothing
0:24:38.840,0:24:45.600
changes guess what there could be a c
0:24:41.320,0:24:49.120
laid up under any one of them right yeah
0:24:45.600,0:24:51.360
360 degrees so you don't know but just
0:24:49.120,0:24:52.919
like if you come back to the east say if
0:24:51.360,0:24:54.720
you get him here in my home state of
0:24:52.919,0:24:58.640
Kentucky and you are hunting this broken
0:24:54.720,0:25:00.000
up Farm ground and you've got this 48
0:24:58.640,0:25:02.720
pasture field that you want to try to
0:25:00.000,0:25:05.120
call a c into and you've got one block
0:25:02.720,0:25:06.919
of Timber out there that's that's 20
0:25:05.120,0:25:09.840
acres well guess what you K's probably
0:25:06.919,0:25:11.720
in at 20 acres so it's it's different so
0:25:09.840,0:25:14.640
if I'm hunting Kentucky but you still
0:25:11.720,0:25:18.039
get surprised even on that you do you do
0:25:14.640,0:25:19.799
you do for sure but like in the Kentucky
0:25:18.039,0:25:22.159
stuff especially the stuff that I've
0:25:19.799,0:25:26.120
hunted my entire life you know called a
0:25:22.159,0:25:28.480
lot um sometimes I'm 100% you know like
0:25:26.120,0:25:30.480
I'll tell you we're going to no we're
0:25:28.480,0:25:32.320
going to set up here I'm going to let
0:25:30.480,0:25:33.880
out female sorous and what's going to
0:25:32.320,0:25:37.640
happen there's going to be this there's
0:25:33.880,0:25:39.919
going to be a pair aness to our left at
0:25:37.640,0:25:41.600
350 yards and you're going to think a
0:25:39.919,0:25:43.679
ky's going to come out of there but
0:25:41.600,0:25:45.720
what's going to happen is over here at
0:25:43.679,0:25:47.159
90 yards at that white oak tree there's
0:25:45.720,0:25:48.120
going to be a big old bristled up mail
0:25:47.159,0:25:50.480
come out and you're going to shoot him
0:25:48.120,0:25:52.440
at 60 yards and that'll happen you know
0:25:50.480,0:25:54.919
CU I just know that stand you know what
0:25:52.440,0:25:57.720
I mean but well and that's the advantage
0:25:54.919,0:25:59.880
you have in filming there is you exactly
0:25:57.720,0:26:01.840
exactly know where those coyotes are
0:25:59.880,0:26:03.200
going to come out and where where
0:26:01.840,0:26:05.399
they're probably going to present you a
0:26:03.200,0:26:07.240
shot and that's a that's a huge
0:26:05.399,0:26:09.480
advantage and guys can use that to their
0:26:07.240,0:26:12.360
advantage out here in this country there
0:26:09.480,0:26:13.960
is no right there is no guarantees where
0:26:12.360,0:26:16.039
they're coming from so it's a Chinese
0:26:13.960,0:26:19.039
fire drill every time and another thing
0:26:16.039,0:26:21.120
that goes with that is ky ky density you
0:26:19.039,0:26:22.480
know that is one difference between the
0:26:21.120,0:26:24.640
East and the west and a lot of these
0:26:22.480,0:26:27.039
eastern states we don't have the coyote
0:26:24.640,0:26:28.960
density that the western states have so
0:26:27.039,0:26:30.919
you can have coyotes just in every
0:26:28.960,0:26:33.000
direction of you well here if you do
0:26:30.919,0:26:35.360
your scouting and what Al said earlier
0:26:33.000,0:26:37.399
which I think was a great great sound
0:26:35.360,0:26:39.640
bite Al great great thing you mentioned
0:26:37.399,0:26:42.000
was woodsmanship if you use a
0:26:39.640,0:26:43.679
woodsmanship and stuff and scouting
0:26:42.000,0:26:45.600
you'll you'll have a good idea where
0:26:43.679,0:26:47.360
your cows are going to be and where
0:26:45.600,0:26:49.120
they're how they're going to advance to
0:26:47.360,0:26:50.760
the call here in the East now when you
0:26:49.120,0:26:53.399
get in that Midwestern stuff it gets a
0:26:50.760,0:26:55.640
little bit more dice here uh but you can
0:26:53.399,0:26:57.919
you know that Kansas
0:26:55.640,0:27:00.440
Oklahoma um you know all that type of
0:26:57.919,0:27:02.720
country that Northern Texas you know you
0:27:00.440,0:27:04.640
can you can have a pretty decent idea
0:27:02.720,0:27:05.880
but they can surprise you more I think
0:27:04.640,0:27:08.159
one of the reasons they surprise you
0:27:05.880,0:27:10.000
more CU there's a higher cow density
0:27:08.159,0:27:12.320
there than there is in the East so I
0:27:10.000,0:27:15.039
think further in the East Al my high my
0:27:12.320,0:27:16.880
percentage is up on I can tell you where
0:27:15.039,0:27:19.840
ky's going to come and how he's going to
0:27:16.880,0:27:22.919
advance the further I get to the West
0:27:19.840,0:27:24.399
the more my percentage drops of whether
0:27:22.919,0:27:26.640
I'm right or wrong where the Cy's going
0:27:24.399,0:27:29.360
to show up at hey and let's transfer
0:27:26.640,0:27:32.919
right into my next question would be uh
0:27:29.360,0:27:36.559
distance how far do you go between
0:27:32.919,0:27:39.279
stands oh man that's a great question
0:27:36.559,0:27:41.240
and I think that has a lot just going
0:27:39.279,0:27:43.240
off what we just said it has a lot to do
0:27:41.240,0:27:44.960
with your coyote density and the lay of
0:27:43.240,0:27:48.480
your land and how much land you do have
0:27:44.960,0:27:50.480
to hunt exactly yeah you know if I'm if
0:27:48.480,0:27:52.720
say I'm in I'll be in Wyoming here in a
0:27:50.480,0:27:54.159
few weeks turkey hunting if we fill our
0:27:52.720,0:27:56.480
turkey tags we'll probably make coyot
0:27:54.159,0:28:00.600
stands and what we'll do is we'll get on
0:27:56.480,0:28:02.799
onx and uh find BLM huge tracks of BLM
0:28:00.600,0:28:05.039
we'll hit get on a two track start
0:28:02.799,0:28:07.480
making Kow stands you know get the wind
0:28:05.039,0:28:11.000
where we think we need and and head that
0:28:07.480,0:28:13.480
head that way and usually I think we're
0:28:11.000,0:28:16.799
probably making a stand
0:28:13.480,0:28:19.559
ever I don't know half a mile to a mile
0:28:16.799,0:28:22.480
probably when be doing that how do you
0:28:19.559,0:28:24.240
what do you think about that you know
0:28:22.480,0:28:26.720
that one I always refer back to that
0:28:24.240,0:28:29.600
coyote that I I was out in Nevada and
0:28:26.720,0:28:31.840
snowed three Ines and and I back then I
0:28:29.600,0:28:32.919
only had a Johnny Stewart tape player
0:28:31.840,0:28:36.399
and I put in
0:28:32.919,0:28:38.679
101c Jack Rabbit and I turned that
0:28:36.399,0:28:41.000
player on not max volume but pretty
0:28:38.679,0:28:43.440
close it was an old fishing tackle box
0:28:41.000,0:28:46.159
that I had a tape player and a 60 foot
0:28:43.440,0:28:48.880
ACC cord in and I put that old TOA
0:28:46.159,0:28:51.200
speaker out there and I turned on 101c
0:28:48.880,0:28:52.720
Johnny Stewart Jack Rabbit and I looked
0:28:51.200,0:28:55.279
up and I went wow look at that Jack
0:28:52.720,0:28:57.760
Rabbit jump out on that two track well I
0:28:55.279,0:29:01.080
put that 14 Power pentac Scope on my
0:28:57.760,0:29:03.480
father LW 220 Swift and it was a coyote
0:29:01.080,0:29:05.760
boy I ain't heard that in a long
0:29:03.480,0:29:07.600
time keep on going but that's a brand
0:29:05.760,0:29:08.480
you don't hear of too much anymore keep
0:29:07.600,0:29:13.080
on
0:29:08.480,0:29:16.000
going and uh that old uh coyote jogged
0:29:13.080,0:29:19.519
up there 12 minutes it took that coyote
0:29:16.000,0:29:24.039
to come uh
0:29:19.519,0:29:25.799
1.6 miles to and I saw his tracks I
0:29:24.039,0:29:27.200
drove I put him in the truck after I
0:29:25.799,0:29:31.200
shot him right he was sniffing the
0:29:27.200,0:29:33.679
speaker at 25 ft and I threw him in that
0:29:31.200,0:29:37.320
old Toyota truck and drove he had been
0:29:33.679,0:29:39.559
on that two track for 2.2 miles and I
0:29:37.320,0:29:43.640
didn't see him till he was like at
0:29:39.559,0:29:46.159
1.7 and so that coyote on medium volume
0:29:43.640,0:29:47.519
heard that rabbit sound 2.2 miles that
0:29:46.159,0:29:49.919
morning because there was very little
0:29:47.519,0:29:52.960
wind Y and it was across this huge I
0:29:49.919,0:29:54.600
mean the flat was 10 miles across and so
0:29:52.960,0:29:56.799
this coyot was out there in that flat
0:29:54.600,0:29:58.679
and I turned on that jack rabbit sound
0:29:56.799,0:30:00.320
and he came up there and it was 2.2
0:29:58.679,0:30:03.159
miles to where he jumped out on that two
0:30:00.320,0:30:07.919
track and came on a direct line to me
0:30:03.159,0:30:10.480
and uh so out west when I have country
0:30:07.919,0:30:12.720
to run and Country to burn I like to get
0:30:10.480,0:30:15.240
that mile to mile and a half between
0:30:12.720,0:30:16.000
stands because I know if I three4 volume
0:30:15.240,0:30:18.519
that
0:30:16.000,0:30:20.760
x24 I need to cover that much country
0:30:18.519,0:30:23.440
because those coyos can hear that far
0:30:20.760,0:30:26.120
now if all you've got is Uncle Joe's
0:30:23.440,0:30:28.519
cattle pasture yeah you know you're not
0:30:26.120,0:30:31.039
going to make that mile and a half jump
0:30:28.519,0:30:32.840
so then I directionalize when I want to
0:30:31.039,0:30:35.240
and when I find concentrations of
0:30:32.840,0:30:36.960
coyotes John when me and Garvin would
0:30:35.240,0:30:39.120
find these huge concentrations of
0:30:36.960,0:30:41.640
coyotes we would directionalize and what
0:30:39.120,0:30:44.360
I mean by that is we would get in close
0:30:41.640,0:30:46.880
and I would face the speaker East and we
0:30:44.360,0:30:49.240
would call quietly you know I never got
0:30:46.880,0:30:52.640
to even half volume I would do rabbit
0:30:49.240,0:30:56.320
East and then we would go uh half a
0:30:52.640,0:30:57.679
quarter mile yep and call directly south
0:30:56.320,0:31:00.320
and then we'd go another quarter mile
0:30:57.679,0:31:02.799
and directly nor you know e or west and
0:31:00.320,0:31:05.639
then directly north I would I would work
0:31:02.799,0:31:08.440
a concentration of coyotes directionally
0:31:05.639,0:31:11.919
and volume down and try to make more
0:31:08.440,0:31:15.039
sets right in in those type of areas I
0:31:11.919,0:31:17.320
think I think it's I think it's a great
0:31:15.039,0:31:19.159
great point I think it's a great tip
0:31:17.320,0:31:21.440
because that's kind of what I was going
0:31:19.159,0:31:23.799
to say about here back home just like
0:31:21.440,0:31:25.559
you said you got Uncle Tommy's pasture
0:31:23.799,0:31:27.919
and that's about it you know you you
0:31:25.559,0:31:30.519
have smaller tracks of land to hunt and
0:31:27.919,0:31:32.000
and they might be you know you might not
0:31:30.519,0:31:33.240
have you might have to drive 10 mies for
0:31:32.000,0:31:35.080
you get to your next piece of property
0:31:33.240,0:31:37.200
that you have permission on but if say
0:31:35.080,0:31:39.240
if you do have a track it's a couple
0:31:37.200,0:31:41.320
hundred couple hundred acres don't sound
0:31:39.240,0:31:43.679
like much for out west right but here in
0:31:41.320,0:31:45.799
the East that's a lot of land you know
0:31:43.679,0:31:48.159
you can might be able to get squeeze two
0:31:45.799,0:31:50.519
or three or four stands off of it and
0:31:48.159,0:31:52.799
just what you said Al is what I'll do on
0:31:50.519,0:31:54.600
those pieces of property you know that
0:31:52.799,0:31:57.080
piece that 200 Acres might not have it
0:31:54.600,0:31:58.639
one pair of coyotes on it but who's to
0:31:57.080,0:32:00.679
say you're going to set up in the right
0:31:58.639,0:32:03.679
spot to get them called in so what I do
0:32:00.679,0:32:05.720
is that quiet I call it quiet calling
0:32:03.679,0:32:08.039
that you know I'll set up on the stand
0:32:05.720,0:32:10.440
I'm I'm projecting sound out there where
0:32:08.039,0:32:13.240
I think if the coyotes are there they'll
0:32:10.440,0:32:15.559
come to me and then you know I'll get up
0:32:13.240,0:32:17.639
and just move two or 3 hundred yards and
0:32:15.559,0:32:19.760
set up again in quiet call and I have
0:32:17.639,0:32:21.919
caught I have killed many coyotes like
0:32:19.760,0:32:24.399
that your first set up don't work move
0:32:21.919,0:32:25.760
300 yards boom all a sudden you kill a
0:32:24.399,0:32:27.360
double you know where were they at on
0:32:25.760,0:32:30.600
the first stand well they weren too far
0:32:27.360,0:32:32.279
off they just going to come to you um
0:32:30.600,0:32:35.440
get in a lot of that here in the East
0:32:32.279,0:32:38.320
but you know I think it's great a great
0:32:35.440,0:32:40.320
uh thing to bring up Al no and then I
0:32:38.320,0:32:43.000
want to know how long you're how my
0:32:40.320,0:32:45.960
number one question I get every seminar
0:32:43.000,0:32:48.519
I ever do John is how long do you call
0:32:45.960,0:32:50.559
yeah yeah yeah we that's my number one
0:32:48.519,0:32:52.360
question we get that a lot and that's
0:32:50.559,0:32:54.799
another thing one of those things that I
0:32:52.360,0:32:56.480
think is kind of situational but this is
0:32:54.799,0:32:59.120
actually I actually had this one down as
0:32:56.480,0:33:01.760
well a lot of this has has to do with
0:32:59.120,0:33:05.399
where I'm hunting and a time of
0:33:01.760,0:33:07.760
year seem like my summer stands can be
0:33:05.399,0:33:10.320
longer my fall stands are a little
0:33:07.760,0:33:12.159
shorter and then my breeding season time
0:33:10.320,0:33:14.399
of the frame stands are a little longer
0:33:12.159,0:33:17.440
so to get right there to it my
0:33:14.399,0:33:21.080
summertime stands they're I'm using con
0:33:17.440,0:33:22.480
20 25 minutes now my fall stands when
0:33:21.080,0:33:24.840
I've got all those yearing running
0:33:22.480,0:33:25.559
around and if I've got a lot of stands
0:33:24.840,0:33:28.559
to
0:33:25.559,0:33:31.399
make shoot sometimes them short like 12
0:33:28.559,0:33:33.000
minutes 12 to 17 minutes and then winter
0:33:31.399,0:33:34.840
time again when you get back to breeding
0:33:33.000,0:33:37.039
season I'll make stands well over 30
0:33:34.840,0:33:39.559
minutes 30 35 minutes for a breeding
0:33:37.039,0:33:42.639
season Stan no and that's awesome
0:33:39.559,0:33:44.519
because in you know I base the entire
0:33:42.639,0:33:47.360
year around breeding season February
0:33:44.519,0:33:48.960
15th 62 days later PPS in the dirt so
0:33:47.360,0:33:51.600
then you've got your summer season so
0:33:48.960,0:33:53.399
that summer season goes till August 15th
0:33:51.600,0:33:56.639
and then I call it my fall season August
0:33:53.399,0:33:58.480
15th to December 15th is fall and then
0:33:56.639,0:34:02.000
December 15th
0:33:58.480,0:34:05.200
to February is the breeding and and and
0:34:02.000,0:34:08.480
what I've noticed my season now bases on
0:34:05.200,0:34:11.720
whether I'm filming yeah or and so
0:34:08.480,0:34:14.000
filming time on stand we're staying 15
0:34:11.720,0:34:14.760
20 minutes you know and that's typically
0:34:14.000,0:34:17.879
my
0:34:14.760,0:34:22.839
fall stands when I'm playing more prey
0:34:17.879,0:34:27.079
distress um now contest calling me and
0:34:22.839,0:34:29.359
garve would make 32 stands in a day and
0:34:27.079,0:34:31.440
if you've never made 32 stands in a day
0:34:29.359,0:34:34.159
you can't comprehend how fast you have
0:34:31.440,0:34:38.320
to move through country and how fast you
0:34:34.159,0:34:40.520
have to call and when I say fast 8 10 12
0:34:38.320,0:34:42.760
minutes tops if I know we've done our
0:34:40.520,0:34:45.200
homework and we know the research is
0:34:42.760,0:34:47.760
there that the coyotes are there and we
0:34:45.200,0:34:49.480
know or we see a coyote on the stand
0:34:47.760,0:34:51.679
that's hanging up or something I may
0:34:49.480,0:34:53.119
give him more than eight minutes I may
0:34:51.679,0:34:54.839
give him 10 minutes and if that 10
0:34:53.119,0:34:56.800
minutes didn't cut it I'll give it 12
0:34:54.839,0:35:00.200
but I know I've got to make 32 stands
0:34:56.800,0:35:04.560
when I was contest calling every weekend
0:35:00.200,0:35:06.760
um it was 8 to 10 12 minute stands and
0:35:04.560,0:35:09.960
we would make 32 stands in a day and in
0:35:06.760,0:35:12.760
a half a day we would make uh 15 to 20
0:35:09.960,0:35:14.280
stands and you have really got to cook
0:35:12.760,0:35:15.880
you have really got to lay out your
0:35:14.280,0:35:18.079
country and know your country and make
0:35:15.880,0:35:20.400
loops you can't backtrack you can't do
0:35:18.079,0:35:22.680
any and the more if it takes you five
0:35:20.400,0:35:24.359
minutes to walk out to a stand it takes
0:35:22.680,0:35:26.560
you five minutes to walk back that's 10
0:35:24.359,0:35:28.200
minutes that you are not calling and so
0:35:26.560,0:35:32.440
you've got to think about that time
0:35:28.200,0:35:36.079
frame and so my average time on stand is
0:35:32.440,0:35:39.119
15 minutes if I'm videoing I'll stay 20
0:35:36.079,0:35:41.200
if I'm contest calling I'll stay 8 to 10
0:35:39.119,0:35:43.000
and uh if I know there's coyotes there
0:35:41.200,0:35:45.720
and they start vocalizing in breeding
0:35:43.000,0:35:47.880
season or spring summer season if I get
0:35:45.720,0:35:50.200
coyotes vocalizing I will stay up to 45
0:35:47.880,0:35:53.079
minutes on a stand to work those coyotes
0:35:50.200,0:35:56.720
and it's just there is no it's so
0:35:53.079,0:36:00.079
situational as you said John yes on time
0:35:56.720,0:36:02.599
that it factors back into how confident
0:36:00.079,0:36:06.079
are you in the sounds you have on your
0:36:02.599,0:36:09.040
unit and I really think that adding The
0:36:06.079,0:36:12.599
mfk Sound Library to the fox Pro Library
0:36:09.040,0:36:14.839
I think I'm Invincible now and so I will
0:36:12.599,0:36:17.040
stay longer occasionally to work a coyot
0:36:14.839,0:36:18.880
because I have more sounds to throw at
0:36:17.040,0:36:20.800
him than I've ever had before in my
0:36:18.880,0:36:23.319
Arsenal I think I think you brought up a
0:36:20.800,0:36:25.319
great point about you know if you did
0:36:23.319,0:36:27.079
your homework which I know you guys will
0:36:25.319,0:36:29.599
go out and locate quite a bit back in
0:36:27.079,0:36:32.760
your cont coling days well that is still
0:36:29.599,0:36:35.119
a that's a very effective tool here back
0:36:32.760,0:36:37.520
in the East especially during the den
0:36:35.119,0:36:39.640
season months like we was talking about
0:36:37.520,0:36:43.240
earlier we don't have the coyote density
0:36:39.640,0:36:45.240
in the East okay so you can really cut
0:36:43.240,0:36:46.920
out a lot of dry stands if you'll go out
0:36:45.240,0:36:48.839
and try to locate some coyotes you know
0:36:46.920,0:36:51.240
during that summer time frame the coyes
0:36:48.839,0:36:53.280
are are extremely vocal if you can get a
0:36:51.240,0:36:56.119
few located you know they're going to be
0:36:53.280,0:36:58.839
fairly close to their D site what I like
0:36:56.119,0:37:00.319
to do is if I've got suit pinned down I
0:36:58.839,0:37:02.640
know where they're at out you know I
0:37:00.319,0:37:04.560
tell you load up bring the dogs from
0:37:02.640,0:37:08.359
Utah I've got
0:37:04.560,0:37:11.359
25 pairs located that's got pups we
0:37:08.359,0:37:13.200
going we going do some decoy dogging
0:37:11.359,0:37:15.680
those type of stands if I know exactly
0:37:13.200,0:37:18.240
where they're at and I've got the
0:37:15.680,0:37:21.400
terrain that lets me get exactly where I
0:37:18.240,0:37:24.040
want you know to get set up on these you
0:37:21.400,0:37:26.240
know you know I know I've got coyotes
0:37:24.040,0:37:28.319
there I'll stay a little bit longer till
0:37:26.240,0:37:30.599
I call them up but I'm expecting to call
0:37:28.319,0:37:33.119
them up in the first six or eight
0:37:30.599,0:37:34.680
minutes you know what I mean and and
0:37:33.119,0:37:37.119
then when it comes to that it all
0:37:34.680,0:37:39.560
depends on how many coyotes I have
0:37:37.119,0:37:41.560
located if I've just got two or three
0:37:39.560,0:37:43.160
groups of coyotes located I'm going to
0:37:41.560,0:37:44.920
make a pretty long stand till I kill
0:37:43.160,0:37:46.920
them you know if it takes a long stand
0:37:44.920,0:37:49.760
it just takes a long stand now if I've
0:37:46.920,0:37:51.720
got 35 of them different groups located
0:37:49.760,0:37:53.000
and we wanting to try to hit all of them
0:37:51.720,0:37:54.440
we're just going be making about 10 or
0:37:53.000,0:37:56.200
12 minute stands probably to make sure
0:37:54.440,0:37:58.119
we get them all crammed in you know what
0:37:56.200,0:38:00.760
I mean and John I know I know there are
0:37:58.119,0:38:03.440
guys out there going how do you you find
0:38:00.760,0:38:05.599
coyotes how do you how do you find you
0:38:03.440,0:38:08.000
know and guys it's really is you got to
0:38:05.599,0:38:10.839
go out and and with coyote vocalizations
0:38:08.000,0:38:12.520
with fed siren you know with siren
0:38:10.839,0:38:14.640
sounds you know when everybody hears
0:38:12.520,0:38:16.280
that ambulance going through the streets
0:38:14.640,0:38:19.640
and then the dogs start howling and the
0:38:16.280,0:38:22.280
coyotes start howling um loud noises at
0:38:19.640,0:38:24.240
night it's like I know you turkey
0:38:22.280,0:38:26.599
hunters have gone out and slammed a door
0:38:24.240,0:38:29.359
accidentally and a and it made that old
0:38:26.599,0:38:31.160
gobbler gobble at you it's the same you
0:38:29.359,0:38:32.560
can go out at night and locate these
0:38:31.160,0:38:34.960
coyotes if you don't know what we're
0:38:32.560,0:38:37.560
talking about go find the coyotes that
0:38:34.960,0:38:40.520
you want to kill and that's what all
0:38:37.560,0:38:42.480
these contest callers the good ones um
0:38:40.520,0:38:45.040
they they'll spend 10 days scouting for
0:38:42.480,0:38:48.520
one day a hunting right right you know
0:38:45.040,0:38:50.280
like I said and that's I see sometimes
0:38:48.520,0:38:53.119
on social media and stuff like that or
0:38:50.280,0:38:55.920
listen to other podcast and the that
0:38:53.119,0:38:57.800
topic will come up about locating and
0:38:55.920,0:38:59.359
some people will just shrug it off like
0:38:57.800,0:39:02.520
yeah there's no sense in Loca you don't
0:38:59.359,0:39:05.079
need to locate just go call well that
0:39:02.520,0:39:06.599
can be true in those super high density
0:39:05.079,0:39:09.240
areas know there's some of those type of
0:39:06.599,0:39:11.640
areas in Texas if you go up to the dtas
0:39:09.240,0:39:14.319
where there's way way way more coyotes
0:39:11.640,0:39:15.920
than there is people uh you know some of
0:39:14.319,0:39:18.440
these other states that just don't get
0:39:15.920,0:39:20.640
the pressure but have just crazy numbers
0:39:18.440,0:39:22.720
of Cs and a low population of people and
0:39:20.640,0:39:24.440
even lower population of hunters yeah
0:39:22.720,0:39:26.960
you can just go make a stands and you
0:39:24.440,0:39:29.319
can do that here in the east as well but
0:39:26.960,0:39:31.920
if you get up to a place like say
0:39:29.319,0:39:33.720
Pennsylvania where there is more hunters
0:39:31.920,0:39:35.720
in the state of Pennsylvania than there
0:39:33.720,0:39:39.079
probably is people in the state of w
0:39:35.720,0:39:43.200
homing right guess what you and and then
0:39:39.079,0:39:45.200
far far far less coyotes doing a little
0:39:43.200,0:39:47.680
bit of scouting and locating you some
0:39:45.200,0:39:49.720
cows can really cut out on some dry
0:39:47.680,0:39:51.880
stands it's just it's just so
0:39:49.720,0:39:54.040
situational where you're at
0:39:51.880,0:39:55.680
geographically the density of coyot you
0:39:54.040,0:39:58.720
have and amount of hunters you got to
0:39:55.680,0:40:00.839
you've got to contend with so right
0:39:58.720,0:40:02.760
let's move on to another one here Al
0:40:00.839,0:40:04.599
I've got one for you there's one I get
0:40:02.760,0:40:06.839
all the time and I guarantee you got it
0:40:04.599,0:40:10.480
as well you have a guy walk up to the
0:40:06.839,0:40:14.680
booth at the Harrisburg show he says Big
0:40:10.480,0:40:18.960
Al I set my x24 out there I rip out a
0:40:14.680,0:40:23.079
set of hows coyotes how back what do I
0:40:18.960,0:40:25.480
do what do I do next they won't come
0:40:23.079,0:40:28.119
that is that is the biggest question I
0:40:25.480,0:40:31.079
get back east in particular is guys are
0:40:28.119,0:40:33.680
out night huny in particular or day
0:40:31.079,0:40:36.240
calling doesn't matter and those coyotes
0:40:33.680,0:40:39.599
will howl back but they will not
0:40:36.240,0:40:42.520
come and honestly guys and gals there is
0:40:39.599,0:40:46.400
no firm answer as to why are they
0:40:42.520,0:40:49.359
educated I don't think so I think
0:40:46.400,0:40:50.960
invariably if you are in a situation
0:40:49.359,0:40:53.839
where the coyotes and let's say those
0:40:50.960,0:40:55.680
coyotes came 500 yards closer they're
0:40:53.839,0:40:58.160
still at three or 400 yards but they
0:40:55.680,0:41:00.440
won't break that tree line
0:40:58.160,0:41:03.000
I don't think they are that particularly
0:41:00.440,0:41:04.480
smart as to not come out there because
0:41:03.000,0:41:06.520
there's other times where you've been
0:41:04.480,0:41:08.680
300 yards from that tree line and those
0:41:06.520,0:41:11.359
coyotes just run out there 100 yards you
0:41:08.680,0:41:13.200
get your shots and you're gripping and
0:41:11.359,0:41:15.760
grinning with the you know couple three
0:41:13.200,0:41:18.880
kyotes and the next time you go to a
0:41:15.760,0:41:21.920
similar situation and they hang up what
0:41:18.880,0:41:24.400
makes coyotes hang up in particular the
0:41:21.920,0:41:28.359
number one reason I think coyotes won't
0:41:24.400,0:41:30.760
finish is that it's a territorial bound
0:41:28.359,0:41:33.880
those coyotes will Mark trees Mark fence
0:41:30.760,0:41:35.839
lines will Mark you know and I'm sure in
0:41:33.880,0:41:37.200
some areas of the country in Indiana we
0:41:35.839,0:41:39.079
had some kyot that wouldn't come but I
0:41:37.200,0:41:40.400
think they got shot at you know they
0:41:39.079,0:41:44.160
knew if they went out in the open they
0:41:40.400,0:41:45.960
were going to get zinged but day in day
0:41:44.160,0:41:47.880
out the number one reason a coyot won't
0:41:45.960,0:41:50.680
come and I've asked people to do this
0:41:47.880,0:41:53.119
when a coyot comes 500 yards but they're
0:41:50.680,0:41:55.839
800 yards they how back then they get to
0:41:53.119,0:41:58.520
300 and they won't break if you will
0:41:55.839,0:42:01.480
just go typically downwind or get just a
0:41:58.520,0:42:03.560
quarter wi situation different walk in
0:42:01.480,0:42:05.200
there try to get to a different opening
0:42:03.560,0:42:07.640
or even just get in there with them in
0:42:05.200,0:42:09.160
the trees in the dark and call them a
0:42:07.640,0:42:11.359
different direction those coyotes
0:42:09.160,0:42:14.160
completely overrun you and it's because
0:42:11.359,0:42:16.760
they didn't run into a boundary and
0:42:14.160,0:42:18.880
those boundaries are you not imaginary
0:42:16.760,0:42:20.960
they're just we can't always tell that
0:42:18.880,0:42:22.680
there's a boundary there from another
0:42:20.960,0:42:25.359
group of coyotes those coyotes will
0:42:22.680,0:42:28.000
section out areas of country that is
0:42:25.359,0:42:30.520
theirs that pack
0:42:28.000,0:42:32.119
will not let the other coyotes you know
0:42:30.520,0:42:33.720
and if you do get coyotes to break
0:42:32.119,0:42:35.800
through those situations it's usually
0:42:33.720,0:42:38.480
singles they're usually the transient
0:42:35.800,0:42:40.960
coyotes that are not with that group but
0:42:38.480,0:42:43.559
are not willing to pass a a free lunch
0:42:40.960,0:42:45.760
situation or a free meal or they're
0:42:43.559,0:42:47.599
looking for a mate I mean there are
0:42:45.760,0:42:50.160
situations where you can get coyotes to
0:42:47.599,0:42:52.760
break through those boundaries that that
0:42:50.160,0:42:54.839
those packs set up but that's the number
0:42:52.760,0:42:56.559
one reason I think Kyle's hang up yep I
0:42:54.839,0:42:58.400
think it pretty much comes down to four
0:42:56.559,0:43:02.160
reasons
0:42:58.400,0:43:04.160
one is they can be C shy either too many
0:43:02.160,0:43:05.760
Hunters have tried them you've messed up
0:43:04.160,0:43:07.920
on them you know they're call Shy
0:43:05.760,0:43:09.599
they're just not going to come in I mean
0:43:07.920,0:43:11.160
you do run in those situations so I
0:43:09.599,0:43:13.319
think that's one of one of the
0:43:11.160,0:43:16.200
situations especially if guys call from
0:43:13.319,0:43:18.920
the same road same location Time After
0:43:16.200,0:43:20.960
Time After Time After Time another
0:43:18.920,0:43:23.359
situation is you're not close enough to
0:43:20.960,0:43:24.760
them and some State Al was just telling
0:43:23.359,0:43:26.720
a story about a coyot coming what did
0:43:24.760,0:43:29.319
you say over two miles the coyot came
0:43:26.720,0:43:31.559
from that you think yeah you know well
0:43:29.319,0:43:34.400
you might get some of exactly well you
0:43:31.559,0:43:36.960
get in these eastern states to for a ky
0:43:34.400,0:43:39.280
to travel 2.2 miles he might have to
0:43:36.960,0:43:42.400
cross three County Roads a state highway
0:43:39.280,0:43:44.240
and an Interstate 20 fences and 20 fence
0:43:42.400,0:43:45.920
he's not going to come that far so
0:43:44.240,0:43:48.079
there's there's times that you're just
0:43:45.920,0:43:51.000
not close enough to them another thing
0:43:48.079,0:43:52.720
is just exactly what Al said a boundary
0:43:51.000,0:43:55.000
if you do hunt some of these spots where
0:43:52.720,0:43:56.680
you can see KY T distance and you see
0:43:55.000,0:43:58.359
them just coming just kicking up dirt
0:43:56.680,0:44:00.160
like cra crazy then all a sudden they
0:43:58.359,0:44:03.240
just hit a wall and then they'll sit out
0:44:00.160,0:44:04.760
there and bark and Carry On and and you
0:44:03.240,0:44:06.079
have the wind there's no way they smelt
0:44:04.760,0:44:07.240
you nothing like that guess what they
0:44:06.079,0:44:09.760
probably come to a boundary they just
0:44:07.240,0:44:12.160
ain't going to cross so that's another
0:44:09.760,0:44:14.359
one and I think another situation the
0:44:12.160,0:44:18.280
fourth one is they just don't have
0:44:14.359,0:44:21.000
enough wind to feel safe to to advance
0:44:18.280,0:44:23.640
you know they don't feel safe enough to
0:44:21.000,0:44:24.880
that they can get downwind of the sound
0:44:23.640,0:44:26.640
and they just don't feel comfortable
0:44:24.880,0:44:29.040
doing it they're not getting enough
0:44:26.640,0:44:32.559
information for them to make a wise
0:44:29.040,0:44:35.200
choice so they do it exactly not that
0:44:32.559,0:44:36.520
they're they're sitting there just I
0:44:35.200,0:44:38.160
don't think they're extraordinarily
0:44:36.520,0:44:39.680
smart like yeah like they're sitting
0:44:38.160,0:44:41.839
there thinking well man I can't smell
0:44:39.680,0:44:44.760
that I it's just that in it's that
0:44:41.839,0:44:47.440
instinct thing that they just there baby
0:44:44.760,0:44:49.520
coyotes know that you know how can you
0:44:47.440,0:44:52.800
call you have a yearling coyote born in
0:44:49.520,0:44:55.000
mid April and then you call that coyot
0:44:52.800,0:44:57.440
midt and he automatically starts
0:44:55.000,0:45:00.720
circling down when how did he didn't
0:44:57.440,0:45:02.359
actually earn it never beened never been
0:45:00.720,0:45:04.800
hunted a day in his life they still
0:45:02.359,0:45:07.599
Circle to get the win I know I've hunted
0:45:04.800,0:45:09.880
kyot that have never smelled a human and
0:45:07.599,0:45:12.599
they're circling to get the wind why
0:45:09.880,0:45:14.119
because that's what god mother nature
0:45:12.599,0:45:17.280
whatever you want to call it put into
0:45:14.119,0:45:20.079
them yep so so the kind of answer that
0:45:17.280,0:45:22.319
question is hey sometimes you just ain't
0:45:20.079,0:45:25.359
close enough get closer to where those
0:45:22.319,0:45:27.880
coyotes are at um if you think they
0:45:25.359,0:45:29.640
could be called shy lay off at area a
0:45:27.880,0:45:31.680
little bit I mean you don't have to try
0:45:29.640,0:45:33.800
to burn them up every single week at the
0:45:31.680,0:45:35.720
same exact piece of property standing at
0:45:33.800,0:45:37.839
the same exact stand give them a little
0:45:35.720,0:45:39.760
break uh another thing learn those
0:45:37.839,0:45:41.200
boundaries learn those boundaries if you
0:45:39.760,0:45:43.280
run into that situation where they
0:45:41.200,0:45:45.319
always come to a certain fence a certain
0:45:43.280,0:45:47.359
ditch line a certain whatever and they
0:45:45.319,0:45:48.760
never get a c to cross it well you
0:45:47.359,0:45:50.440
probably need to go that ditch fence
0:45:48.760,0:45:52.160
line or whatever it is and call from
0:45:50.440,0:45:54.359
there and don't not try to make them
0:45:52.160,0:45:57.520
cross it and then that that last one
0:45:54.359,0:45:59.119
about the wind you know if the wind is
0:45:57.520,0:46:01.319
directly in your face and those coyotes
0:45:59.119,0:46:03.160
are trying to come from directly up wind
0:46:01.319,0:46:04.599
some of those coyotes it's been around a
0:46:03.160,0:46:06.880
while and heard a few sounds it's hard
0:46:04.599,0:46:09.559
to call those coyotes in if they can't
0:46:06.880,0:46:11.359
they have no way of of getting the wind
0:46:09.559,0:46:12.960
and and smelling what that sound is try
0:46:11.359,0:46:15.000
to hunt those Crosswinds give them a
0:46:12.960,0:46:16.680
little cheat that wind a little bit you
0:46:15.000,0:46:19.200
know just you got to still be able to
0:46:16.680,0:46:20.440
kill you know shoot those downwind areas
0:46:19.200,0:46:22.319
but give them a little bit of wind and
0:46:20.440,0:46:24.640
you can see a huge difference when it
0:46:22.319,0:46:27.000
comes to that and then I've challenged
0:46:24.640,0:46:28.880
some people in the past to they're all
0:46:27.000,0:46:30.640
night hunters and they're getting these
0:46:28.880,0:46:33.000
dogs hung up I challenge them to take
0:46:30.640,0:46:35.760
their shotguns go get in those Hardwoods
0:46:33.000,0:46:37.240
and call during the day 10 to noon
0:46:35.760,0:46:39.040
sometimes like that when those coyotes
0:46:37.240,0:46:41.800
you know they're laying in that 20 acre
0:46:39.040,0:46:43.280
woodlock and they're smart at night but
0:46:41.800,0:46:45.440
they go in there during the day and the
0:46:43.280,0:46:47.000
guy came up at Harrisburg this year and
0:46:45.440,0:46:48.480
just gave me a big old hug he said I
0:46:47.000,0:46:50.960
went in there with my 12 gauge and it
0:46:48.480,0:46:53.400
got a double and he called those KS that
0:46:50.960,0:46:55.680
had had poo pooed him a half dozen times
0:46:53.400,0:46:57.520
at night he went in there during the day
0:46:55.680,0:46:59.800
got in tight with him and called him
0:46:57.520,0:47:02.160
right up 10 yards he was 10 yards down
0:46:59.800,0:47:05.480
window the fox BR and he shotgunned them
0:47:02.160,0:47:07.079
both looking at the caller so here's
0:47:05.480,0:47:09.599
another one kind of goes right off the
0:47:07.079,0:47:12.400
same lines and I I hate getting this
0:47:09.599,0:47:13.720
question and there's going to be guys
0:47:12.400,0:47:15.400
listening it's probably asked this
0:47:13.720,0:47:17.800
question like why you hate hearing it
0:47:15.400,0:47:21.119
well the deal is it's so
0:47:17.800,0:47:24.319
situational here it is Al I'm hun I'm
0:47:21.119,0:47:26.440
hunting properties that I know have Coes
0:47:24.319,0:47:29.240
I know they're there Big Al but man I'm
0:47:26.440,0:47:31.559
struggling I can't call nothing up how
0:47:29.240,0:47:33.680
do how do you answer that you don't you
0:47:31.559,0:47:35.559
know what I mean you don't know what's
0:47:33.680,0:47:37.359
going you don't know the problem people
0:47:35.559,0:47:39.800
what people don't understand is coyotes
0:47:37.359,0:47:41.520
are on a loop coyotes make a living in
0:47:39.800,0:47:43.800
their territory they have a territory
0:47:41.520,0:47:47.920
and I call that their Loop and that
0:47:43.800,0:47:49.599
territory can be a mile in circumference
0:47:47.920,0:47:52.920
it can be two miles it can be three
0:47:49.599,0:47:54.920
miles it can be a hundred miles coyotes
0:47:52.920,0:47:57.079
will make a loop through an area and I
0:47:54.920,0:48:00.559
actually had a guy in West Virginia his
0:47:57.079,0:48:02.160
uncle had 600 acres and he every time he
0:48:00.559,0:48:04.520
deer hunted he was he was shooting a
0:48:02.160,0:48:06.480
Coyotes out of his tree stand and he
0:48:04.520,0:48:08.640
said I really got it I mean and so then
0:48:06.480,0:48:11.280
I said start locate so he'd go out at
0:48:08.640,0:48:13.319
night play vocals and then he would only
0:48:11.280,0:48:15.480
hear those coyotes about every third
0:48:13.319,0:48:17.000
night and then I told him well they're
0:48:15.480,0:48:18.559
probably on a three-day Loop they're
0:48:17.000,0:48:20.960
only hitting your uncle's place about
0:48:18.559,0:48:22.599
every three days and so then it was a
0:48:20.960,0:48:24.640
three-year Odyssey to get him to shoot
0:48:22.599,0:48:26.440
these K get he actually called a coyot
0:48:24.640,0:48:29.319
in and shot it on his uncle's place
0:48:26.440,0:48:31.599
that's 600 acres and he did it knowing
0:48:29.319,0:48:33.319
that they had been gone for two nights
0:48:31.599,0:48:35.880
they were finally coming in he knew that
0:48:33.319,0:48:37.720
was the night they should be on the farm
0:48:35.880,0:48:39.640
and he finally called one in and shot it
0:48:37.720,0:48:42.520
and he made a big deal out of it those
0:48:39.640,0:48:44.280
coyotes are on a loop so yes you're
0:48:42.520,0:48:45.440
seeing tracks you're seeing scat when
0:48:44.280,0:48:46.720
you're deer hunting you're seeing them
0:48:45.440,0:48:49.760
when you're turkey hunting they're
0:48:46.720,0:48:52.160
blowing up your turkey sets but remember
0:48:49.760,0:48:55.000
those coyotes are on a loop and they're
0:48:52.160,0:48:56.920
probably not there 247 365 they're
0:48:55.000,0:48:58.960
probably only there every other day
0:48:56.920,0:49:01.240
every third day every fifth day every
0:48:58.960,0:49:03.599
sixth day it just depends on how big a
0:49:01.240,0:49:06.000
territory those coyotes have perfect
0:49:03.599,0:49:08.599
perfect answer Al I mean that's there's
0:49:06.000,0:49:10.160
so many times people can go in you know
0:49:08.599,0:49:11.599
this stuff is situational when we get
0:49:10.160,0:49:14.720
asked this we don't know how much ground
0:49:11.599,0:49:16.160
you're hunting you know we we'll ask you
0:49:14.720,0:49:18.079
that try to gather all the information
0:49:16.160,0:49:19.960
we can to help answer that question but
0:49:18.079,0:49:21.880
just to generalize people asking you
0:49:19.960,0:49:23.960
that it's so situational because it can
0:49:21.880,0:49:25.680
be so many things and a lot of times
0:49:23.960,0:49:27.599
it's exactly what Al just said when you
0:49:25.680,0:49:29.160
go in there and call to ain't there
0:49:27.599,0:49:31.960
they're on a neighbor they're two
0:49:29.160,0:49:33.640
neighbors over or whatever it is another
0:49:31.960,0:49:35.240
one they're just not there to hear the
0:49:33.640,0:49:37.480
sounds you're putting out exactly
0:49:35.240,0:49:39.200
exactly but guys freak out and think I'm
0:49:37.480,0:49:41.319
not playing the right sounds I know
0:49:39.200,0:49:42.960
they're here yeah and and it's possible
0:49:41.319,0:49:45.160
that they ain't at the right time of
0:49:42.960,0:49:47.319
year but more than likely it's the other
0:49:45.160,0:49:50.680
it's right but I tell you another thing
0:49:47.319,0:49:52.880
that can happen is you're being seen
0:49:50.680,0:49:54.160
coming in to your stand you're walking
0:49:52.880,0:49:55.599
in where couch are there where they can
0:49:54.160,0:49:57.440
see you and guess what they see you
0:49:55.599,0:49:59.400
walking in and they watch Big Al go out
0:49:57.440,0:50:01.200
there and set the call out there they
0:49:59.400,0:50:04.240
watch Big Al go back there and sit down
0:50:01.200,0:50:05.760
and they watch Al hit a sound on his
0:50:04.240,0:50:08.359
remote
0:50:05.760,0:50:10.480
will no they they they know there's a
0:50:08.359,0:50:12.000
rat in the hen house same thing if you
0:50:10.480,0:50:13.880
if you're driving that big old loud
0:50:12.000,0:50:16.599
diesel truck it's got a pipe on it
0:50:13.880,0:50:19.359
bigger around as my leg and
0:50:16.599,0:50:21.799
it's all the way there popping gravels
0:50:19.359,0:50:23.960
and you jump out and you you slam the
0:50:21.799,0:50:27.280
door then your buddy slams the door then
0:50:23.960,0:50:29.000
old Jake says John we killing them day
0:50:27.280,0:50:32.400
squalls
0:50:29.000,0:50:35.760
outy of squeaks the fence as you step
0:50:32.400,0:50:37.680
over yeah yeah creaky gate snow the snow
0:50:35.760,0:50:40.000
can give you away if it's crunchy snow
0:50:37.680,0:50:43.200
them kyotes can hear you walking a mile
0:50:40.000,0:50:45.160
away if you're crunching through snow I
0:50:43.200,0:50:47.319
mean I've seen it I've seen coyotes up
0:50:45.160,0:50:49.200
and moving away from me a half mile
0:50:47.319,0:50:50.720
three quarters a mile away because they
0:50:49.200,0:50:52.760
I don't think they saw us I think they
0:50:50.720,0:50:54.880
heard us coming in exactly and then
0:50:52.760,0:50:56.280
another thing is you know certain type
0:50:54.880,0:50:57.200
of properties just like you talking
0:50:56.280,0:50:58.680
about
0:50:57.200,0:51:00.160
you know coyotes are burning up your
0:50:58.680,0:51:02.040
trail cameras that you got out for
0:51:00.160,0:51:03.640
turkeys well I see them right there at
0:51:02.040,0:51:05.200
this spot where I got this camera all
0:51:03.640,0:51:07.640
the time so you want to go right there
0:51:05.200,0:51:08.880
and call what happens is you walk
0:51:07.640,0:51:11.359
through all the ground that they're
0:51:08.880,0:51:14.440
probably laid up in during the day and
0:51:11.359,0:51:16.720
you bumped them and you know well that's
0:51:14.440,0:51:19.440
that's the number one thing we me and
0:51:16.720,0:51:21.520
John do this podcast we give you these
0:51:19.440,0:51:23.440
nuggets of information because we want
0:51:21.520,0:51:26.599
you to kill more coyotes where you deer
0:51:23.440,0:51:28.920
hunt turkey hunt exactly rabbit hunt
0:51:26.599,0:51:31.000
pheasant hunt quail hunt if you will
0:51:28.920,0:51:32.520
kill more of these coyotes guys you'll
0:51:31.000,0:51:33.880
have more of those other animals and
0:51:32.520,0:51:36.359
that's the key that's why you want to
0:51:33.880,0:51:38.359
become a better Predator caller a better
0:51:36.359,0:51:40.000
Predator Hunter a better Woodsman you
0:51:38.359,0:51:41.720
want to remove and you can't get them
0:51:40.000,0:51:43.720
all so you just want to get a few of
0:51:41.720,0:51:47.079
them and the few you get you're saving
0:51:43.720,0:51:50.000
fawns you're saving PS you're you're
0:51:47.079,0:51:52.160
saving your animals that that's that's
0:51:50.000,0:51:54.799
exactly right and just to summarize up
0:51:52.160,0:51:57.079
to answer this question usually what's
0:51:54.799,0:51:58.960
probably happening is just what out said
0:51:57.079,0:52:02.079
the coyotes aren't there when you tried
0:51:58.960,0:52:03.880
to call it but besides for that you
0:52:02.079,0:52:06.079
you've got to be careful with your
0:52:03.880,0:52:07.280
approach to your stand and you got to
0:52:06.079,0:52:08.920
you know be where you can't you're not
0:52:07.280,0:52:10.400
being seen by coyes you're not being
0:52:08.920,0:52:12.680
heard by Co you know use your
0:52:10.400,0:52:14.880
woodsmanship treat these coyot you know
0:52:12.680,0:52:16.640
they can be very T there can be easy to
0:52:14.880,0:52:19.400
call up or they can be difficult to call
0:52:16.640,0:52:21.599
up don't walk through a stand that you
0:52:19.400,0:52:24.319
think you might call a coyote up on you
0:52:21.599,0:52:26.160
know want that property smart do use the
0:52:24.319,0:52:27.200
proper sounds out did bring that up you
0:52:26.160,0:52:29.240
know if you're you're using the right
0:52:27.200,0:52:31.480
sounds you're hunting the right kind of
0:52:29.240,0:52:33.760
wind you know your wind's not blowing
0:52:31.480,0:52:35.280
from you to where the coy are they don't
0:52:33.760,0:52:36.960
see you they don't hear you before you
0:52:35.280,0:52:40.319
get in there and they're laid up there
0:52:36.960,0:52:41.720
you're gonna call those coyotes up yep I
0:52:40.319,0:52:43.760
that's just it's eventually gonna happen
0:52:41.720,0:52:48.079
and when you do call them up ladies and
0:52:43.760,0:52:50.160
gentlemen I hope I pray that you take my
0:52:48.079,0:52:53.119
advice right now and John you'll agree
0:52:50.160,0:52:56.960
with me you have already shot your guns
0:52:53.119,0:52:58.880
in to Perfection and and the to shoot
0:52:56.960,0:53:01.559
your guns to Perfection is not at the
0:52:58.880,0:53:04.640
coyote running away that you just missed
0:53:01.559,0:53:07.359
it is to go out and spend more time with
0:53:04.640,0:53:09.920
your guns become more intimate unite
0:53:07.359,0:53:13.040
Hunters I want you to set targets up at
0:53:09.920,0:53:15.680
night on your fat boy tripods and shoot
0:53:13.040,0:53:17.119
your guns more you can and I know
0:53:15.680,0:53:19.760
ammunition is expensive ladies and
0:53:17.119,0:53:22.480
gentlemen I know it is I mean we see it
0:53:19.760,0:53:24.880
we pay for it we do it ourselves but the
0:53:22.480,0:53:27.160
more time you can spend behind that
0:53:24.880,0:53:29.200
luipold scope and that all that Ruger
0:53:27.160,0:53:32.799
Gun the more time you will spend at the
0:53:29.200,0:53:36.280
range when you do finally call in your
0:53:32.799,0:53:38.359
problems and hey I'm guilty as most
0:53:36.280,0:53:41.040
people you've seen me give coyotes a lot
0:53:38.359,0:53:43.359
of head starts for some reason I I like
0:53:41.040,0:53:45.520
to miss them standing broadside and and
0:53:43.359,0:53:48.799
or standing head on and then I hit him
0:53:45.520,0:53:50.920
running at 300 yard I don't know do that
0:53:48.799,0:53:53.520
but I want you to become more intimate
0:53:50.920,0:53:55.200
with your guns and the other thing to to
0:53:53.520,0:53:58.720
add a little success to this and John
0:53:55.200,0:54:01.200
you can add on is uh put a hux works on
0:53:58.720,0:54:03.880
the front put a suppressor on there your
0:54:01.200,0:54:06.920
multiples will go up I have seen it so
0:54:03.880,0:54:10.839
much easier on your years as well well
0:54:06.920,0:54:13.319
yeah that's no all great points I I
0:54:10.839,0:54:14.880
totally 100% agree and I was just
0:54:13.319,0:54:18.359
starting to realize how long we've been
0:54:14.880,0:54:21.119
on here and I've still got like I don't
0:54:18.359,0:54:22.480
I got like five more questions it's
0:54:21.119,0:54:23.599
there and I think you've probably got a
0:54:22.480,0:54:26.559
couple I think we're going to make this
0:54:23.599,0:54:27.960
a part one and part two I think we get
0:54:26.559,0:54:29.760
what do you think about this we do a
0:54:27.960,0:54:33.200
part one part two on commonly asked
0:54:29.760,0:54:34.880
questions about K hunting couldn't we y
0:54:33.200,0:54:36.799
hey I do have before we get off here
0:54:34.880,0:54:40.319
I've got I've got two questions I want
0:54:36.799,0:54:42.440
to ask you okay see what Big Al's answer
0:54:40.319,0:54:44.119
is if I ever asked you that if your life
0:54:42.440,0:54:47.400
depended on it type
0:54:44.119,0:54:49.680
questions well no but I've heard you in
0:54:47.400,0:54:51.599
the podcast I'm gonna get you here I and
0:54:49.680,0:54:53.880
before I do the life depended on I got
0:54:51.599,0:54:55.440
another question here for you okay this
0:54:53.880,0:54:57.760
kind of comes up we talking about them
0:54:55.440,0:54:59.920
coyotes hung up them Coyotes out there
0:54:57.760,0:55:01.880
at that boundary and all this stuff
0:54:59.920,0:55:06.359
you've got you've got a coyote hung up
0:55:01.880,0:55:11.480
at let's say 700 yards that's
0:55:06.359,0:55:13.640
70 long range right 700 yards he's not
0:55:11.480,0:55:16.000
coming in you thrown the kitchen sink at
0:55:13.640,0:55:18.680
him you've thrown every single Fox PRO
0:55:16.000,0:55:20.280
Sound at him you've thrown every mfk
0:55:18.680,0:55:22.960
sound at him you can think of you've
0:55:20.280,0:55:25.920
even like tried to play alligator
0:55:22.960,0:55:27.400
distresses and moose peeing in the water
0:55:25.920,0:55:29.240
and all all kinds of all that stuff
0:55:27.400,0:55:31.760
we've got on the fox Pro Library he will
0:55:29.240,0:55:33.480
not budge I even took my dogs and he's
0:55:31.760,0:55:36.119
still ignoring my dog don't do nothing
0:55:33.480,0:55:39.039
what is Big Al doing is Al Big Al
0:55:36.119,0:55:41.039
leaving that Coy and then going to come
0:55:39.039,0:55:44.440
back at a later date and try him again
0:55:41.039,0:55:46.119
or is Big Al want to try to lob a shot
0:55:44.440,0:55:48.400
in there and see if he can't smoke at
0:55:46.119,0:55:51.079
Coy from 700 so this is a real life
0:55:48.400,0:55:53.039
situation real life situation are you
0:55:51.079,0:55:55.319
are you shooting at this Cy or you going
0:55:53.039,0:55:58.000
to get up and try him at a later date so
0:55:55.319,0:55:59.760
Doby bat and John bear are my witness
0:55:58.000,0:56:03.119
700
0:55:59.760,0:56:06.760
696 this Coyote's coming male and a
0:56:03.119,0:56:09.400
female I see the female I can see she
0:56:06.760,0:56:12.039
has just had a litter they had killed 23
0:56:09.400,0:56:13.920
Lambs the night before now it made it
0:56:12.039,0:56:16.280
more situational but this was a real
0:56:13.920,0:56:18.640
life situation we were on this we knew
0:56:16.280,0:56:21.960
these coyotes were killing Lambs by the
0:56:18.640,0:56:24.000
20s at night and we worked in there they
0:56:21.960,0:56:25.720
the male was coming to the dogs working
0:56:24.000,0:56:27.839
the dogs and all of a sudden they just
0:56:25.720,0:56:30.640
both of them started leaving and that
0:56:27.839,0:56:32.799
female checked up I did not range I did
0:56:30.640,0:56:36.079
not know the distance I took that Ruger
0:56:32.799,0:56:38.559
22250 and I lobed that 50 grain super
0:56:36.079,0:56:41.839
performance right through her heart at
0:56:38.559,0:56:43.799
696 and the smart play would have been
0:56:41.839,0:56:45.920
to come back and call them another day
0:56:43.799,0:56:48.760
the problem was they were losing so many
0:56:45.920,0:56:52.680
lambs that I just thought it's now or
0:56:48.760,0:56:56.400
never and I I Kentucky
0:56:52.680,0:57:00.520
johnin Kentucky windage that 22250 just
0:56:56.400,0:57:03.319
like you did out there in uh Arizona in
0:57:00.520,0:57:06.839
uh 696 and when John bear when walked
0:57:03.319,0:57:09.520
out to that dead female and John ranged
0:57:06.839,0:57:10.720
our tripods at 696 he says oh my hell I
0:57:09.520,0:57:12.880
can't and he wouldn't tell me the
0:57:10.720,0:57:16.920
distance till we got in the truck later
0:57:12.880,0:57:18.559
good G that is that is a shot yes sir
0:57:16.920,0:57:20.359
let me ask you this what if you ranged
0:57:18.559,0:57:21.839
it from that spot say if it's different
0:57:20.359,0:57:24.640
situation different stand say this
0:57:21.839,0:57:27.799
happens tomorrow say it say you pull out
0:57:24.640,0:57:31.039
your little r now let's say if it's 800
0:57:27.799,0:57:33.359
yards now the smart play is to uh
0:57:31.039,0:57:35.599
reposition another day or two down the
0:57:33.359,0:57:37.559
line I didn't ask you I didn't ask you
0:57:35.599,0:57:41.480
about the smart thing to do I said what
0:57:37.559,0:57:45.119
is Big Al doing Big Al's love I know my
0:57:41.480,0:57:46.280
guns I shoot my guns I live it hey when
0:57:45.119,0:57:48.960
when there when there's lead in the air
0:57:46.280,0:57:50.799
there's danger right when there's lead
0:57:48.960,0:57:53.200
in the air there's a prayer you can't
0:57:50.799,0:57:55.920
kill every every coyote you never pull
0:57:53.200,0:57:58.920
the trigger on is going to live but if
0:57:55.920,0:58:00.599
you pull the trigger there's chances
0:57:58.920,0:58:05.599
that that Hornady is going to get there
0:58:00.599,0:58:07.799
and do its job and for me um I know I'm
0:58:05.599,0:58:09.839
GNA call another coyot in the next stand
0:58:07.799,0:58:11.039
I'm planning on calling another coyot in
0:58:09.839,0:58:14.319
but if I don't pull the trigger I'll
0:58:11.039,0:58:19.440
never get him all right I got you in the
0:58:14.319,0:58:21.680
helicopter I got you a x24 in your hands
0:58:19.440,0:58:24.240
you've got the entire Fox Pro Library
0:58:21.680,0:58:26.119
you got the entire mfk Library you got a
0:58:24.240,0:58:27.799
full charge on your battery you got
0:58:26.119,0:58:29.920
brand new lithium batteries in your
0:58:27.799,0:58:32.319
remote I'm dropped you out this
0:58:29.920,0:58:33.799
helicopter with a parachute you've
0:58:32.319,0:58:37.480
dropping down in
0:58:33.799,0:58:39.039
this Wilderness that you know there's no
0:58:37.480,0:58:40.520
way you can walk out of it to get the
0:58:39.039,0:58:42.160
civilization there's nobody that can
0:58:40.520,0:58:44.880
come pick you up there's none of that
0:58:42.160,0:58:47.319
stuff what I'm going to do is is I'm
0:58:44.880,0:58:49.680
going to I got a big selection of rifles
0:58:47.319,0:58:52.160
there you can have any rifle that you
0:58:49.680,0:58:54.119
dream up but your choice is you get to
0:58:52.160,0:58:56.119
pick a caliber you going grab one of
0:58:54.119,0:58:58.760
those rifles in a particular Cali
0:58:56.119,0:58:59.720
caliber that you pick to save your life
0:58:58.760,0:59:02.720
what's happening is I'm going to hand
0:58:59.720,0:59:04.559
you one bullet one Shell One cartridge
0:59:02.720,0:59:06.920
here's your bullet Al I'm going to drop
0:59:04.559,0:59:09.039
you out of here when you hit the ground
0:59:06.920,0:59:11.920
you got to call call up a coyot and get
0:59:09.039,0:59:14.760
it killed you got one chance you got one
0:59:11.920,0:59:17.000
shot if you do this if you kill that
0:59:14.760,0:59:18.400
coyot all you got to do is Radio me back
0:59:17.000,0:59:20.760
I'll come right back in here with this
0:59:18.400,0:59:22.440
helicopter pick you up and you can live
0:59:20.760,0:59:26.440
that the rest of your life right up
0:59:22.440,0:59:28.640
there in Utah and call coyes from now to
0:59:26.440,0:59:32.039
the end of time and be fat and happy
0:59:28.640,0:59:33.839
doing it if not if you call up a coyote
0:59:32.039,0:59:35.319
and you shoot him a in the chest cuz
0:59:33.839,0:59:37.319
he's probably going to be at 60 yards
0:59:35.319,0:59:40.160
knowing it D calling him up close and
0:59:37.319,0:59:43.280
then he packs that bullet off he
0:59:40.160,0:59:45.200
survives it and runs off and doesn't die
0:59:43.280,0:59:48.039
guess what you get to live the rest of
0:59:45.200,0:59:50.200
your life out there eating dirt licking
0:59:48.039,0:59:53.520
pine sap off the
0:59:50.200,0:59:55.520
trees catching amibas to eat to survive
0:59:53.520,0:59:57.720
what what caliber is Big Al Morris
0:59:55.520,1:00:00.920
taking to if his life depends on it to
0:59:57.720,1:00:04.839
kill a Coy what C choice is Al mois
1:00:00.920,1:00:07.160
taking I just got it yesterday I just
1:00:04.839,1:00:11.079
put together the perfect coyote rig
1:00:07.160,1:00:15.559
yesterday John Collins that 65 creedmore
1:00:11.079,1:00:19.520
came in in that Ruger Ranch gen two nice
1:00:15.559,1:00:22.440
and I I put that luipold vx6 on top of
1:00:19.520,1:00:26.200
it I put the hxw works
1:00:22.440,1:00:30.200
float 762 on the front of it and I'm
1:00:26.200,1:00:33.640
loading it with that ELD VT 100 gra
1:00:30.200,1:00:37.839
you're giving me that one 100 grain ELD
1:00:33.640,1:00:40.400
VT bullet there is no coyote no wolf no
1:00:37.839,1:00:42.880
nothing's going to survive that 100
1:00:40.400,1:00:45.280
grain ELD VT I know I could shoot elk
1:00:42.880,1:00:46.720
and deer with it too if I had to but you
1:00:45.280,1:00:48.160
gave me one cartridge I'm gon to go
1:00:46.720,1:00:51.480
shoot a coyote with it and I am going to
1:00:48.160,1:00:53.480
call that coyote in to 2030 40 50 60
1:00:51.480,1:00:56.280
yards and I don't care whether he's head
1:00:53.480,1:00:58.000
on broadside whatever knowing might
1:00:56.280,1:01:00.480
depends on it because I don't want to be
1:00:58.000,1:01:04.039
killing elk with a knife even though I
1:01:00.480,1:01:05.839
have done that one time yeah we ran out
1:01:04.039,1:01:09.960
of ammo and I had to kill an elk with a
1:01:05.839,1:01:12.400
buck 110 and that's the true story um
1:01:09.960,1:01:14.920
John I'm GNA take that 65 Creed more I'm
1:01:12.400,1:01:18.720
going to put that ELD VT not the 95
1:01:14.920,1:01:21.839
grain uh Vmax in that 65 Creed more it
1:01:18.720,1:01:25.559
is total devastation on a coyote I'm not
1:01:21.839,1:01:28.400
hid hunting um that ELD VT what I have
1:01:25.559,1:01:31.520
the the 10 or so 12 coyotes I've shot
1:01:28.400,1:01:34.720
with that e DVT now um it's just
1:01:31.520,1:01:37.240
Devastation and that 65 is probably
1:01:34.720,1:01:39.319
overkill on a coyote but you know you
1:01:37.240,1:01:42.319
got him right I can't wait to shoot the
1:01:39.319,1:01:44.599
80 grain El dvts in a six Creed soon as
1:01:42.319,1:01:46.520
they make the six Creed Gen 2 I'm I'm
1:01:44.599,1:01:48.760
trying to get one of those and I'm going
1:01:46.520,1:01:51.880
to have my 243 shooting the 87 grain
1:01:48.760,1:01:54.680
Vmax in the gen two Americans but if you
1:01:51.880,1:01:58.680
gave me one caliber one bullet I'm gonna
1:01:54.680,1:02:01.119
take the 65 that ranch into I'm going to
1:01:58.680,1:02:02.839
take it out there with that elvt and and
1:02:01.119,1:02:05.640
you will be coming and picking me up
1:02:02.839,1:02:09.839
what you're telling me that the uh
1:02:05.640,1:02:13.440
2118b and the 17 Remington Fireball and
1:02:09.839,1:02:14.880
the 17 HMR and the 22 short didn't cross
1:02:13.440,1:02:17.680
your mind that you'd want to take that
1:02:14.880,1:02:21.160
to if I was if I was gonna go kill Kit
1:02:17.680,1:02:22.319
Fox or gray fox or or red fox you might
1:02:21.160,1:02:23.839
as well take you might as well take the
1:02:22.319,1:02:27.440
Creed more then
1:02:23.839,1:02:32.160
too well it will cut it will cut those
1:02:27.440,1:02:34.559
red fox in half dead dead dead yeah but
1:02:32.160,1:02:36.520
hey if you put me out there if it's been
1:02:34.559,1:02:38.839
a few days I will cut the backstraps out
1:02:36.520,1:02:41.480
of that coyote and I will eat them
1:02:38.839,1:02:45.279
so Al we appreciate you coming on old
1:02:41.480,1:02:47.640
buddy this is part one of commonly asked
1:02:45.279,1:02:49.079
coyote questions we get here at Fox Pro
1:02:47.640,1:02:51.599
Al you got anything you want to leave us
1:02:49.079,1:02:54.039
with no just appreciate all you do John
1:02:51.599,1:02:56.200
Collins and we appreciate every single
1:02:54.039,1:02:59.599
one of you that tune in and make us the
1:02:56.200,1:03:01.480
number one Predator podcast in America
1:02:59.599,1:03:03.960
uh John the effort and energy you put
1:03:01.480,1:03:06.640
into it all the guys in the office Cody
1:03:03.960,1:03:08.359
and and those boys thanks for all you do
1:03:06.640,1:03:10.240
and thanks for making Foxboro number one
1:03:08.359,1:03:12.599
in the industry ladies and gentlemen we
1:03:10.240,1:03:14.160
love you and we love you big al we hope
1:03:12.599,1:03:15.799
everyone enjoyed this episode and we
1:03:14.160,1:03:19.119
hope you join us again here on the fox
1:03:15.799,1:03:19.119
bro podcast