The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 45 : Commomly Asked Questions Part 1

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Al Morris discuss commonly asked questions that they receive throughout the year.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome

 

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back to the fox Pro podcast this is John

 

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Collins and on this episode we're going

 

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to be covering commonly asked questions

 

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that we get asked about here at Fox Pro

 

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about coye hunting Our Guest is the big

 

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man himself Mr Big Al Morris Al are you

 

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ready for this are you John Collins and

 

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yes I am I'm doing I'm doing doing good

 

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I figured this would be a pretty good

 

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podcast that I think uh uh you know we

 

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got a lot of Veteran coyot Hunters out

 

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there that listen that might not really

 

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pertain to them but I think they'll find

 

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it entertaining nonetheless but we do

 

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have a lot of newcomers to the sport and

 

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we've got some guys that maybe think uh

 

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you know they just need the extra tip

 

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there to get them over the hump to start

 

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killing a few extra coyot so you know we

 

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get a ton of questions about that's the

 

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advantage that's the advantage of you

 

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and me doing seminars across this nation

 

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you know is uh we get

 

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asked much of the same questions seminar

 

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after seminar and I just this just is

 

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going to cover some of those that

 

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commonly asked questions me you get when

 

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we do these events so yep and you know

 

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if you work a show when we're at the

 

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booth you you get a ton of them you know

 

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guys you know they don't want to ask it

 

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in front of everybody at a seminar but

 

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they want to come to the to the booth

 

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and see if they can't catch you off to

 

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the side and and ask you and you know we

 

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and we get it in our inboxes I mean

 

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daily so I mean I've got a few wrote

 

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down here I know you've got a few you'd

 

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like to cover uh but we'll just go ahead

 

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and get started and the very first one

 

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I've got here we get asked about call

 

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volume all the time U so let's cover

 

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that a little bit we get tons of

 

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questions asking about what volume we

 

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run our ecall units at now before we get

 

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started you've got to know that it also

 

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depends on which unit you're actually

 

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running there's a big difference between

 

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like a patriot and Prowler type unit and

 

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an x24 xwave and those type units now

 

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myself most of the time I'm running an

 

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x24 so that's what and so same thing

 

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with Al so that's kind of what we'll

 

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cover at first and then we'll just kind

 

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of mention what these these other units

 

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what you kind of need to be looking at

 

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there but Al how are you running your

 

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volumes for like your prey distress type

 

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sounds coxer sounds your hows other

 

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coyote vocals and so on you know so the

 

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x24 has the it's one to 40 on the volume

 

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switch and if you've got a 1 to 20

 

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volume you know you can prate everything

 

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we're talking about versus that you know

 

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cut everything in half basically if

 

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you've got a 1 to 20 volume versus the 1

 

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to 40 on the

 

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x24 um the x24 is vly the best collar

 

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that's ever been produced I will say

 

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that to my Deb I mean we still got some

 

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great callers coming out but I have used

 

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every electronic predator caller on the

 

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market and I'm just telling you the x24

 

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is by far the most Superior electronic

 

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predator call I've ever used and the

 

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safe thing to say I I learned you know I

 

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would like to tell you that this wisdom

 

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of where to start volume came from Al

 

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Morris but it didn't it came from Bill

 

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CIS hunting the most open country in the

 

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world down there on the Ute Mountain

 

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reservation bill would never start a

 

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stand ever

 

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more or it'd always be less around 18

 

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volume on an x24 less than half and his

 

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theory is coyotes have the best ears in

 

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the business they got the eyes the ears

 

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and the noses that that carry him

 

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through the year and so there is no

 

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reason to start out loud um start at

 

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less than half volume on all prey

 

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distress sounds in particular now if I'm

 

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vocalizing coyotes I may go above half I

 

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may start out at

 

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2425 on a 40 stage volume but if I'm

 

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prey distressing I start out usually

 

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less than half unless John there's

 

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always an unless isn't there and there's

 

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no there's no guarantees unless the

 

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wind's blowing if the wind's blowing

 

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five miles an hour I'll probably go

 

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straight to half if it's blowing 10

 

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miles an hour I may go to 25 to start

 

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out right and I that's just I hunt West

 

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more than I hunt Midwest like you or or

 

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east and and I just really think that uh

 

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those coyotes if they're close you don't

 

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need high volume right right yeah that's

 

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that's great points I think you're spot

 

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on and and guys that are that are

 

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listening when we tell you this type of

 

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stuff there's I tell this all time

 

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there's there's many right ways to call

 

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in a CO and there's many wrong ways at

 

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the same time now you can take like our

 

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suggestions and you can call a little

 

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bit louder if you want to you can start

 

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out louder you can start yep I I we won

 

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a World Championship in 2008 me and

 

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Garvin won our third world championship

 

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and Garvin had

 

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Set uh a shock wave up and when he set

 

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the uh Cotton Tail I want to say it was

 

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uh Cal's Cotton Tail I know exactly what

 

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sound it was Cal's Cotton Tail when he

 

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set the volume he actually set it up at

 

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like 35 and didn't know he'd done that

 

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pretty loud unbelievable loud on a shock

 

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wave and so he turns it on and

 

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immediately starts voluming down he's

 

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like oh I screwed that up and I can hear

 

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him over there 25 30 yards from me

 

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turning on the shock wave I had the

 

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cs24 downwind of him I was exactly

 

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downwind about 35 40 yards so Garvin

 

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would play the distress sounds I was

 

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playing of vocals on the

 

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cs24c that year and I'm like damn that

 

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Cal's cotton Tails loud and all of a

 

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sudden that first stand he turns it on

 

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that loud starts volume down and a

 

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coyote jumps over the collar at him and

 

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he shotgunned it awesome awesome so it

 

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tells you the volume wasn't too loud no

 

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it and what it did is the more we ran it

 

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that day I said don't change a thing cuz

 

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that H that being so loud I think any of

 

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the coyotes that were there just went oh

 

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my hell that rabbit's getting eight and

 

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we got to go they were crashing that

 

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shock wave so I always thought that you

 

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had to start out low volume and build up

 

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no on that particular day and that's

 

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what it's hard to explain to guys John

 

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that um what we're what we're telling

 

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you is just a uh it's a guideline

 

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Baseline a guideline yeah because

 

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there's no there's no definites and and

 

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we I have actually when they are not

 

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coming to the low volume working up

 

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during the set I will actually start a

 

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couple stands in the day really loud

 

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just to see if I can replicate that day

 

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we had in 2008 right you know and and

 

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I'm kind of I think I'm kind of a loud

 

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caller I mean I have people look over at

 

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me all the time with their eyes big

 

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around like what are you doing wow

 

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that's a lot that's a lot and that loud

 

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I get guys looking at me all the time

 

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going that is a lot and that is loud

 

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right and guess what until I am not

 

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being successful I'm going to keep doing

 

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what's working well I'll just go ahead

 

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and tell you like on x24 like I said I

 

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run it probably at least 80% of the time

 

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because I will grab some of these other

 

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units and you know I like the uh I've

 

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used all of our budget units you know

 

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I've used the prowler the Hellcat I

 

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really like the Hellcat Pro you know I

 

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so I'll use it some but on the x24 I'm

 

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in that General like with my coyote

 

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house I'm usually between volume 26 and

 

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32 now 32 add loud and it kind of

 

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depends on the individual sound because

 

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some of these hows are actually they're

 

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louder than other how you know there

 

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might be one how that's actually louder

 

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at volume 30 then another how is at

 

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volume 30 so it depends on the it

 

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depends on the vocal but generally from

 

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26 to 32 and then just like Al said with

 

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all the prey distress stuff I'm usually

 

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starting out around 50% or a little L it

 

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depends on the stand itself if I'm in a

 

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more wide open stand I'm probably going

 

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to start out that 50 55 60% now if I'm

 

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tight quarters where I think I'm might

 

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have a Coy laid up close yeah I want to

 

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start it out lower like that 40% type

 

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stuff and then the same thing with all

 

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the other Coy vocals like you pup

 

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distresses in your fights I'm using

 

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anywhere from 22 to 32 on that you know

 

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I'm ramping up and down constantly but

 

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that's kind of that's kind of my

 

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guideline I guess and I've actually told

 

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this story once before it's kind I think

 

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I did this with you Al cuz I you know it

 

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reminds me of uh the story you just told

 

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with with garve me and Jeff was hunting

 

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and I'd had a preset on camir lonely

 

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house from mfk and the preset was set on

 

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like 34 or something like that well it's

 

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it's probably too loud for that too loud

 

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for that sound and I had the call the

 

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x24 set on a toost out there in this

 

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Prairie I hit it on 34 and Jeff's

 

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looking at me like

 

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oh you just messed up that is Extremely

 

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Loud I look over like man that that is

 

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screaming ain't it I'm trying to crank

 

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it down just like Garvin was and we'd

 

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look look right out there in front of

 

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the call not like 50 or 60 yards there

 

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was a coyot that had beded down in that

 

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Prairie and he just stood up just stood

 

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up he's kind of blinking his eyes I'd

 

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woke him up out of his bed you know of

 

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course I paused it after I seen that but

 

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that at volume 34 screaming at that

 

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coyot that wasn't 60 yards away didn't

 

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pH him a bit and yes didn't shock him no

 

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no and the the crazy thing is people are

 

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probably thinking well you know no you

 

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didn't do that you didn't walk up on

 

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that Coy like that I don't know how many

 

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times I walked out and set a call and

 

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start playing a sound and a C jump up 50

 

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to 80 yards away from where I where I

 

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walk from you know they out there to

 

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sleep but you know that's John be me and

 

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John be were up in uh Canada and I sat

 

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the collar down and started playing

 

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rabbit and a coyote jumped up and

 

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started hauling butt away and that Kyle

 

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wasn't 100 yards when I started calling

 

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and I shot him at 320 and it would just

 

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it was too much for that coyote that

 

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coyote stood up saw us up on the hill

 

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heard that sound and just bailed out

 

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yeah so you know it's all all you know

 

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circumstantial type stuff everything's

 

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different you know every stand is its

 

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own stand but that's pretty much our

 

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guideline for call volume now these

 

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other units excuse me like the prowler

 

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Patriot hellcats those type of units

 

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when I'm running hals on those you know

 

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kyot vocals I'm using it 100% because

 

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they're not near as loud of a unit so

 

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you can crank those all way up to the

 

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full volume on your house but I'm still

 

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like my pray distress stuff I'm still

 

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starting off at that 40 50 60% type

 

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stuff and then all my other coyote

 

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vocals like pup distresses and stuff I'm

 

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somewhere between 65 70% all the way up

 

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to 100% you agree with that Al one time

 

0:11:25.480,0:11:29.320

one one trip with Bill CIS I was looking

 

0:11:27.639,0:11:31.399

at him I said bill it is the wind's

 

0:11:29.320,0:11:34.480

blowing you can get that unit louder on

 

0:11:31.399,0:11:37.000

a cs24 seed and he looked at me and goes

 

0:11:34.480,0:11:38.880

never I'm just telling you Big Al Morris

 

0:11:37.000,0:11:41.720

never Max the

 

0:11:38.880,0:11:44.560

volume so ever since that day with Bill

 

0:11:41.720,0:11:46.320

I've never I try to never Max the volume

 

0:11:44.560,0:11:48.560

right he said you just a coyote doesn't

 

0:11:46.320,0:11:50.639

need max volume they can hear even in

 

0:11:48.560,0:11:52.519

the winds right right and you know and

 

0:11:50.639,0:11:55.000

you know I used to run the cs24 quite a

 

0:11:52.519,0:11:57.200

bit and I ran that thing on 40 quite a

 

0:11:55.000,0:11:58.760

bit for all kinds of different sounds so

 

0:11:57.200,0:12:01.160

you know right different styles of

 

0:11:58.760,0:12:02.959

coling like I said earlier there's many

 

0:12:01.160,0:12:04.760

right ways to call a cow in and there's

 

0:12:02.959,0:12:06.320

a lot of wrong ways too but let's move

 

0:12:04.760,0:12:08.040

on from that I think that covers it

 

0:12:06.320,0:12:11.120

pretty good I've got another one right

 

0:12:08.040,0:12:14.240

here Al uh very common question get

 

0:12:11.120,0:12:16.639

asked this a ton especially at shows

 

0:12:14.240,0:12:20.040

that people coming by the booth how far

 

0:12:16.639,0:12:21.720

away do you place your ecall unit how

 

0:12:20.040,0:12:25.240

far away from you are you placing your

 

0:12:21.720,0:12:27.880

Fox Pro on stand y That's my number two

 

0:12:25.240,0:12:29.720

that was my number two question on my

 

0:12:27.880,0:12:34.079

list it you know

 

0:12:29.720,0:12:36.920

it I'm always you can bet your if you

 

0:12:34.079,0:12:40.079

wonder how far I am I'm usually 30 to 50

 

0:12:36.920,0:12:43.240

yards directly downwind of the fox bro

 

0:12:40.079,0:12:46.399

yep every stand I ever make yep I I try

 

0:12:43.240,0:12:49.279

to be that exact distance 30 yards if

 

0:12:46.399,0:12:52.639

I'm shotgunning them and 50 yards if all

 

0:12:49.279,0:12:55.240

I've got a rifle yep yep no I think it's

 

0:12:52.639,0:12:58.199

I think spot on right there I'm same

 

0:12:55.240,0:13:00.560

thing 30 to 60 steps and a lot of that

 

0:12:58.199,0:13:02.519

depends on the of the land on the

 

0:13:00.560,0:13:04.639

particular stand it has to do with the

 

0:13:02.519,0:13:06.519

wind direction you know whether I'm

 

0:13:04.639,0:13:08.320

hunting left or right crosswind right to

 

0:13:06.519,0:13:10.600

left and they got a roll in the field

 

0:13:08.320,0:13:13.800

you know just goes on and on but rarely

 

0:13:10.600,0:13:15.440

rarely over 60 steps rarely only time

 

0:13:13.800,0:13:18.120

I'm usually like maybe putting it

 

0:13:15.440,0:13:19.519

further away than that Al is if I'm

 

0:13:18.120,0:13:21.959

hunting in some kind of little draw

 

0:13:19.519,0:13:24.519

system like a little tight draw and I

 

0:13:21.959,0:13:26.399

might take that e take the fox Pro and

 

0:13:24.519,0:13:28.160

actually go through the bottom of the

 

0:13:26.399,0:13:30.519

draw and put it on the opposite Hillside

 

0:13:28.160,0:13:32.360

to keep coou oh you and that's you know

 

0:13:30.519,0:13:34.920

you that's just like 70 or 80 yards

 

0:13:32.360,0:13:38.519

sometimes 100 yards but that's just in

 

0:13:34.920,0:13:41.760

those rare situations so 90% of the time

 

0:13:38.519,0:13:44.279

it's 30 to 60 steps if I walked past 60

 

0:13:41.760,0:13:46.279

steps somebody needs a whistle at me cuz

 

0:13:44.279,0:13:48.199

I've you know went into a days or

 

0:13:46.279,0:13:50.959

something because I'm pretty lazy a lot

 

0:13:48.199,0:13:53.360

sometimes I'm just sitting at 20 steps

 

0:13:50.959,0:13:56.759

right well and sometimes I'll set the

 

0:13:53.360,0:13:58.880

collar and then walk past the fox Pro

 

0:13:56.759,0:14:01.320

and it and and that we'll get into the

 

0:13:58.880,0:14:03.639

next question which is you know do you

 

0:14:01.320,0:14:06.560

do you call upwind or downwind that's

 

0:14:03.639,0:14:09.639

another question but um sometimes I will

 

0:14:06.560,0:14:11.199

place the caller behind me 90% of the

 

0:14:09.639,0:14:14.399

time I place the collar in front of me

 

0:14:11.199,0:14:17.360

30 to 50 yards and I'm usually directly

 

0:14:14.399,0:14:20.519

downwind of the collar that is the ideal

 

0:14:17.360,0:14:23.000

situation um I'll be 30 yards downwind

 

0:14:20.519,0:14:24.199

or crosswind if it's a hard left to

 

0:14:23.000,0:14:25.399

right and I've got the collar straight

 

0:14:24.199,0:14:27.279

out in front of me and the winds

 

0:14:25.399,0:14:29.839

straight out of my left I don't mind a

 

0:14:27.279,0:14:32.040

good crosswind as long as I can see

 

0:14:29.839,0:14:36.160

downwind right those coyotes are going

 

0:14:32.040,0:14:38.360

to end up downwind of the x24 yep no

 

0:14:36.160,0:14:40.880

spot on you know one of the things you

 

0:14:38.360,0:14:43.600

know building off this question here you

 

0:14:40.880,0:14:45.480

know when I answer that at a show not

 

0:14:43.600,0:14:46.880

always but some people ask why don't you

 

0:14:45.480,0:14:48.639

take it out even further than that how

 

0:14:46.880,0:14:50.199

long how far is the remote range I said

 

0:14:48.639,0:14:52.199

well the remote range is a few hundred

 

0:14:50.199,0:14:53.880

yards but there's no sense in walking

 

0:14:52.199,0:14:55.440

walking that far you're walking through

 

0:14:53.880,0:14:59.079

more country that you could have done

 

0:14:55.440,0:15:00.880

called A C through um there's just

 

0:14:59.079,0:15:04.079

rarely a situation where you actually

 

0:15:00.880,0:15:05.759

need to set it more than that 30 to 60

 

0:15:04.079,0:15:07.000

steps unless it's one of those deals

 

0:15:05.759,0:15:09.320

like you just want to keep him on

 

0:15:07.000,0:15:11.360

another heelside or there's some kind of

 

0:15:09.320,0:15:13.120

terrain feature that I was just at my

 

0:15:11.360,0:15:16.560

shooting range I was just at my shooting

 

0:15:13.120,0:15:19.480

range John and I got my x24 it was off

 

0:15:16.560,0:15:21.759

the ground uh 2 and a half feet kind of

 

0:15:19.480,0:15:24.079

on a cooler an old old cooler that

 

0:15:21.759,0:15:27.519

somebody had shot up there I set that

 

0:15:24.079,0:15:30.120

x24 on the cooler and I got to 453 yards

 

0:15:27.519,0:15:33.360

and it would volume up and down and mute

 

0:15:30.120,0:15:34.880

on and off yep and so and then I see

 

0:15:33.360,0:15:37.839

guys on the internet saying they can't

 

0:15:34.880,0:15:41.279

get more than 30 yards and if that's the

 

0:15:37.839,0:15:43.040

case they are near a cell phone tower

 

0:15:41.279,0:15:44.959

where there is a lot of metals in the

 

0:15:43.040,0:15:47.079

ground I there's a spot in Nevada where

 

0:15:44.959,0:15:49.759

I can't get more than about 50 yards

 

0:15:47.079,0:15:52.120

from my collars because of the metal

 

0:15:49.759,0:15:55.519

that's in the ground and you literally

 

0:15:52.120,0:15:58.000

when you sat down um the metal is it's

 

0:15:55.519,0:15:59.480

magnetic it sticks to stuff you actually

 

0:15:58.000,0:16:02.160

rocks will stick

 

0:15:59.480,0:16:04.120

to other pieces of metal when you set a

 

0:16:02.160,0:16:06.399

gun down in it and stuff it's just the

 

0:16:04.120,0:16:08.920

craziest ground I've ever been in but I

 

0:16:06.399,0:16:11.240

know that that influences the distance

 

0:16:08.920,0:16:13.079

of our remote oh yeah yeah there there

 

0:16:11.240,0:16:15.480

situ there's stuff that can't interfere

 

0:16:13.079,0:16:17.600

with remote range like uh High static

 

0:16:15.480,0:16:20.759

power lines can cause interference from

 

0:16:17.600,0:16:23.279

time to time cell phone towers internet

 

0:16:20.759,0:16:25.399

towers that type of stuff but you know

 

0:16:23.279,0:16:28.079

and just Metals in the ground right

 

0:16:25.399,0:16:29.279

exactly but you know one thing I tell

 

0:16:28.079,0:16:30.880

people a lot especially these new

 

0:16:29.279,0:16:32.360

Hunters when they come ask about why

 

0:16:30.880,0:16:33.440

don't you set it out there further it's

 

0:16:32.360,0:16:36.319

kind of like one of those deals well if

 

0:16:33.440,0:16:39.120

I walk it out there at 150 yards and I

 

0:16:36.319,0:16:42.120

call a Ked up and he hangs out he hangs

 

0:16:39.120,0:16:45.600

up at 150 yards in front of the call now

 

0:16:42.120,0:16:47.680

I've got a 300 yard shot shot you know

 

0:16:45.600,0:16:50.199

why not set the thing closer and shoot

 

0:16:47.680,0:16:53.720

the coyotes close they got four legs we

 

0:16:50.199,0:16:57.000

got two way I at it we make them come to

 

0:16:53.720,0:17:01.199

us yeah no and then hey back in the days

 

0:16:57.000,0:17:02.759

before we used a fox Pro back the 90s um

 

0:17:01.199,0:17:05.120

the 97 when we won that world

 

0:17:02.759,0:17:07.360

championship 98 the very next year

 

0:17:05.120,0:17:09.199

Garvin we only had hand calls Garin was

 

0:17:07.360,0:17:13.000

blowing a Cersei I was had my diaphragm

 

0:17:09.199,0:17:15.280

in my mouth and uh G Garvin would set up

 

0:17:13.000,0:17:17.240

and I would take off and go 100 125

 

0:17:15.280,0:17:18.839

yards downwind Garvin and I was

 

0:17:17.240,0:17:21.360

shotgunning coyotes that were coming

 

0:17:18.839,0:17:24.199

into him but circling to get his wind

 

0:17:21.360,0:17:26.360

right and and I mean that it makes sense

 

0:17:24.199,0:17:29.120

sometimes to get that distance between

 

0:17:26.360,0:17:31.280

the actual caller and if those used see

 

0:17:29.120,0:17:34.360

those coyos circling consistently at 100

 

0:17:31.280,0:17:37.960

150 200 yards it makes sense to maybe

 

0:17:34.360,0:17:40.200

bump down to that 7500 yard distance but

 

0:17:37.960,0:17:42.400

that's a rare rare condition yeah yeah

 

0:17:40.200,0:17:44.000

yep I totally agree and since we're on

 

0:17:42.400,0:17:46.039

wind direction and stuff I know you got

 

0:17:44.000,0:17:48.120

a a question you get asked qu quite a

 

0:17:46.039,0:17:49.400

bit there Al about about hunting

 

0:17:48.120,0:17:52.160

different wind directions you want to

 

0:17:49.400,0:17:53.640

cover that real quick well I mean

 

0:17:52.160,0:17:56.360

everybody goes to you put the call

 

0:17:53.640,0:17:58.480

upwind or you downwind and typically in

 

0:17:56.360,0:18:01.400

a perfect world John I would put the

 

0:17:58.480,0:18:04.200

call out I would be directly downwind

 

0:18:01.400,0:18:06.200

and the sun would be at my back right

 

0:18:04.200,0:18:07.960

but the reality of that is it just

 

0:18:06.200,0:18:11.080

doesn't happen out in the field very

 

0:18:07.960,0:18:15.520

often can you get those three conditions

 

0:18:11.080,0:18:17.240

so I I love being downwind to the call

 

0:18:15.520,0:18:18.760

and having the coyote Circle right there

 

0:18:17.240,0:18:20.000

and you can within shot you know

 

0:18:18.760,0:18:22.240

everybody makes a big deal out of

 

0:18:20.000,0:18:25.559

shotgun and coyotes right well it's all

 

0:18:22.240,0:18:27.280

how you set up it it's not that guy's a

 

0:18:25.559,0:18:29.320

better coyote Hunter because he shotguns

 

0:18:27.280,0:18:31.840

more coyotes some people spend their

 

0:18:29.320,0:18:33.600

entire day setting up shotgun stands

 

0:18:31.840,0:18:35.080

they want to be tight they're within 30

 

0:18:33.600,0:18:36.840

yards of the collar they're directly

 

0:18:35.080,0:18:38.799

downwind or right there close enough it

 

0:18:36.840,0:18:40.520

doesn't matter what win Direction they

 

0:18:38.799,0:18:42.080

can shotgun those coyotes and that's all

 

0:18:40.520,0:18:44.760

you're doing is setting up close to the

 

0:18:42.080,0:18:47.200

caller or you're hand calling a lot that

 

0:18:44.760,0:18:50.360

tends to be a great shotgun scenario as

 

0:18:47.200,0:18:52.840

hand calling but at the end of the day

 

0:18:50.360,0:18:55.000

um I used to make such a big deal I mean

 

0:18:52.840,0:18:57.840

me and gar we took it to the extent that

 

0:18:55.000,0:18:59.880

we would take skunks in and paper towel

 

0:18:57.840,0:19:02.559

and roll up a little piece of P of

 

0:18:59.880,0:19:05.080

toilet paper and I would put skunk sent

 

0:19:02.559,0:19:06.960

upwind of US 20 30 yards and then I

 

0:19:05.080,0:19:10.120

would put skunk sent downwind of US 20

 

0:19:06.960,0:19:13.159

30 yards while Garvin was setting up and

 

0:19:10.120,0:19:16.120

and we used to I mean the hours I used

 

0:19:13.159,0:19:18.080

to waste worrying about wind direction

 

0:19:16.120,0:19:20.360

and now I know that if I'm within 30

 

0:19:18.080,0:19:22.559

yards of that collar I can be upwind

 

0:19:20.360,0:19:26.039

I'll even set up with a downwind

 

0:19:22.559,0:19:27.799

situation where I can see a 100 200 300

 

0:19:26.039,0:19:30.200

yards directly down wi so if a coyot

 

0:19:27.799,0:19:32.039

circles to get my wind he's exposing

 

0:19:30.200,0:19:35.799

himself I'm going to get a shot with

 

0:19:32.039,0:19:37.240

that Ruger rifle at any distance so I

 

0:19:35.799,0:19:39.280

really spent a lot of time in my

 

0:19:37.240,0:19:42.039

seminars telling guys to quit worrying

 

0:19:39.280,0:19:45.679

about wind direction so much just get to

 

0:19:42.039,0:19:47.600

where you can see downwind because 90%

 

0:19:45.679,0:19:49.640

of the coyotes I mean there is that

 

0:19:47.600,0:19:52.120

occasional Charger hard charger that

 

0:19:49.640,0:19:55.600

just wind be damned that Coyote's coming

 

0:19:52.120,0:19:57.360

to that call but I used to worry so much

 

0:19:55.600,0:19:58.919

about wind direction now I quit worrying

 

0:19:57.360,0:20:01.600

about wind direction and just make the

 

0:19:58.919,0:20:03.440

stands and I set myself up for success

 

0:20:01.600,0:20:05.120

and that's setting yourself up where

 

0:20:03.440,0:20:06.960

you're trying to draw those coyotes out

 

0:20:05.120,0:20:09.039

into a location where you can get a shot

 

0:20:06.960,0:20:11.039

at him and that's really all the game is

 

0:20:09.039,0:20:14.320

right right and I'm gonna say one thing

 

0:20:11.039,0:20:16.919

to feed off that and I would Al don't

 

0:20:14.320,0:20:20.880

don't get mad at me because I will never

 

0:20:16.919,0:20:23.440

tell I will never say that the four-time

 

0:20:20.880,0:20:25.480

world champion is wrong I'm just going

 

0:20:23.440,0:20:28.880

to put a little Aster I'm going to put a

 

0:20:25.480,0:20:30.760

little Aster beside it okay on it on it

 

0:20:28.880,0:20:33.720

when it comes to wind direction this is

 

0:20:30.760,0:20:36.159

just a simple thing for guys to remember

 

0:20:33.720,0:20:37.799

especially you newcomers Al was talking

 

0:20:36.159,0:20:40.679

about you know it doesn't pay much

 

0:20:37.799,0:20:42.600

attention to wind direction you got to

 

0:20:40.679,0:20:44.919

understand Al has got so much experience

 

0:20:42.600,0:20:46.360

he knows how he he visualizes the stand

 

0:20:44.919,0:20:47.640

when he comes up to it and knows how

 

0:20:46.360,0:20:50.000

it's going to work out it doesn't matter

 

0:20:47.640,0:20:52.400

if it's in the high desert or what but

 

0:20:50.000,0:20:54.440

say if you're back east and you're

 

0:20:52.400,0:20:56.120

hunting like this broken up Farm country

 

0:20:54.440,0:20:57.600

and you're hunting this crop field and

 

0:20:56.120,0:21:00.200

there's like this one little patch of

 

0:20:57.600,0:21:01.360

woods out there okay yeah guess what

 

0:21:00.200,0:21:04.240

that's probably what's holding your

 

0:21:01.360,0:21:06.799

couch right little patch the wind

 

0:21:04.240,0:21:08.159

blowing into that patch of woods got to

 

0:21:06.799,0:21:09.840

pay attention to your wind direction on

 

0:21:08.159,0:21:11.200

that type so you got to know that you

 

0:21:09.840,0:21:12.880

know the main thing to think of when it

 

0:21:11.200,0:21:15.799

comes to that type of stuff is you do

 

0:21:12.880,0:21:19.000

not want the wind blowing from you to

 

0:21:15.799,0:21:20.000

where you think your coyotes are yes so

 

0:21:19.000,0:21:24.440

just a

 

0:21:20.000,0:21:26.039

simple you know and so that's you know

 

0:21:24.440,0:21:28.919

you've got to have some woodsmanship

 

0:21:26.039,0:21:32.000

right John and we can't we can't teach

 

0:21:28.919,0:21:34.320

you that um you've got to know that if a

 

0:21:32.000,0:21:36.320

coyote is directly down wind of you 500

 

0:21:34.320,0:21:38.200

yards and they can and you've been there

 

0:21:36.320,0:21:40.120

sitting there for 10 minutes those

 

0:21:38.200,0:21:42.440

coyotes at 500 yards are going to smell

 

0:21:40.120,0:21:44.360

you right and if they've had any

 

0:21:42.440,0:21:46.000

experience with human beings and that's

 

0:21:44.360,0:21:47.559

the thing about these you know everybody

 

0:21:46.000,0:21:49.080

says what's you know the Eastern

 

0:21:47.559,0:21:51.320

Coyote's so much harder to kill than the

 

0:21:49.080,0:21:53.880

Western coyote and I'm telling you guys

 

0:21:51.320,0:21:56.400

a coyote is a coyote is a coyote they're

 

0:21:53.880,0:21:58.880

no different if you set up 500 yards in

 

0:21:56.400,0:22:00.080

thick sage in Nevada and you really

 

0:21:58.880,0:22:02.360

think those coyes are going to come out

 

0:22:00.080,0:22:04.360

of that thick sage and they smell you

 

0:22:02.360,0:22:06.559

they are not going to come and it's the

 

0:22:04.360,0:22:08.039

same thing in New York if you set up in

 

0:22:06.559,0:22:11.200

New York in those Hardwoods and they

 

0:22:08.039,0:22:12.880

smell you they are not going to come so

 

0:22:11.200,0:22:16.760

what you're doing is what you're saying

 

0:22:12.880,0:22:18.600

is you can't you know in 360 degrees

 

0:22:16.760,0:22:20.440

there is going to be a wind direction if

 

0:22:18.600,0:22:22.120

you're lucky there's no wind but me and

 

0:22:20.440,0:22:24.880

you have talked about how no wind days

 

0:22:22.120,0:22:26.880

suck worse than oh man yeah 10 Mile hour

 

0:22:24.880,0:22:29.320

days because that wind I think those

 

0:22:26.880,0:22:32.320

coyotes depend on the Wind you know they

 

0:22:29.320,0:22:35.360

live by the wind and uh most places the

 

0:22:32.320,0:22:38.600

wind blows more more than it doesn't

 

0:22:35.360,0:22:40.840

especially out in you know in Eastern

 

0:22:38.600,0:22:43.960

New Mexico and and even any of the

 

0:22:40.840,0:22:46.360

western states Oklahoma Nebraska Kansas

 

0:22:43.960,0:22:48.520

the wind blows I mean these coyotes get

 

0:22:46.360,0:22:50.559

good at living in the wind so when I say

 

0:22:48.520,0:22:52.279

don't pay attention to the wind as much

 

0:22:50.559,0:22:54.320

I used to spend all my time worried

 

0:22:52.279,0:22:56.520

about wind direction and I would I would

 

0:22:54.320,0:22:59.600

constantly try and tweak sets based on

 

0:22:56.520,0:23:02.039

wind and what I found out is is only

 

0:22:59.600,0:23:03.960

about and and you I want to know your

 

0:23:02.039,0:23:06.760

number John I'm putting you on the spot

 

0:23:03.960,0:23:08.600

on this number often times when me and

 

0:23:06.760,0:23:10.960

you and you talked about visualizing a

 

0:23:08.600,0:23:13.159

stand how often does a coyot come

 

0:23:10.960,0:23:16.320

exactly where you thought he would come

 

0:23:13.159,0:23:19.480

from for me I think it's about a 40% 30

 

0:23:16.320,0:23:23.000

40% deal yes that kyot did the rest of

 

0:23:19.480,0:23:24.760

the time 70% of my stands 60% of my

 

0:23:23.000,0:23:27.440

stands I think the coyote comes from a

 

0:23:24.760,0:23:30.200

place I had I didn't even think a Coy

 

0:23:27.440,0:23:32.679

would come from number well see that

 

0:23:30.200,0:23:34.799

that comes down to the I really think

 

0:23:32.679,0:23:37.120

this comes down to uh the part of the

 

0:23:34.799,0:23:38.840

country you're hunting CU this will show

 

0:23:37.120,0:23:41.400

you you know just like you was talking

 

0:23:38.840,0:23:44.400

about you know a cow's going to smell

 

0:23:41.400,0:23:45.919

you and booger out and become KY and

 

0:23:44.400,0:23:48.120

you're not going to call that c up don't

 

0:23:45.919,0:23:49.679

matter if it's Utah or Pennsylvania

 

0:23:48.120,0:23:52.279

right if he smells you he smells you you

 

0:23:49.679,0:23:54.480

ain't going to call him in that's where

 

0:23:52.279,0:23:56.039

those situations are the same that CO's

 

0:23:54.480,0:23:58.600

the same but I tell you what is

 

0:23:56.039,0:24:01.039

different is like when you are hunting

 

0:23:58.600,0:24:03.640

that Sage Brush Country there in Utah or

 

0:24:01.039,0:24:06.640

that high desert type stuff and parts of

 

0:24:03.640,0:24:08.600

Wyoming and you know this this big Open

 

0:24:06.640,0:24:09.720

Country like your wyomings your Montanas

 

0:24:08.600,0:24:12.720

Utah

 

0:24:09.720,0:24:15.919

Nevadas Arizona New Mexico all that you

 

0:24:12.720,0:24:17.520

know traditional Western stuff there's a

 

0:24:15.919,0:24:20.240

couple things that play in that there's

 

0:24:17.520,0:24:23.799

so much ground and so much stuff that

 

0:24:20.240,0:24:26.159

can hold a ky in that TP in that in that

 

0:24:23.799,0:24:28.880

those areas in that terrain you know if

 

0:24:26.159,0:24:30.840

you look out across this Sagebrush flat

 

0:24:28.880,0:24:33.440

and it's Sage Brush flat as far as you

 

0:24:30.840,0:24:36.760

can see in every single Direction and

 

0:24:33.440,0:24:38.840

there's a gazillion upon gazillions of

 

0:24:36.760,0:24:41.320

sage bushes out there and nothing

 

0:24:38.840,0:24:45.600

changes guess what there could be a c

 

0:24:41.320,0:24:49.120

laid up under any one of them right yeah

 

0:24:45.600,0:24:51.360

360 degrees so you don't know but just

 

0:24:49.120,0:24:52.919

like if you come back to the east say if

 

0:24:51.360,0:24:54.720

you get him here in my home state of

 

0:24:52.919,0:24:58.640

Kentucky and you are hunting this broken

 

0:24:54.720,0:25:00.000

up Farm ground and you've got this 48

 

0:24:58.640,0:25:02.720

pasture field that you want to try to

 

0:25:00.000,0:25:05.120

call a c into and you've got one block

 

0:25:02.720,0:25:06.919

of Timber out there that's that's 20

 

0:25:05.120,0:25:09.840

acres well guess what you K's probably

 

0:25:06.919,0:25:11.720

in at 20 acres so it's it's different so

 

0:25:09.840,0:25:14.640

if I'm hunting Kentucky but you still

 

0:25:11.720,0:25:18.039

get surprised even on that you do you do

 

0:25:14.640,0:25:19.799

you do for sure but like in the Kentucky

 

0:25:18.039,0:25:22.159

stuff especially the stuff that I've

 

0:25:19.799,0:25:26.120

hunted my entire life you know called a

 

0:25:22.159,0:25:28.480

lot um sometimes I'm 100% you know like

 

0:25:26.120,0:25:30.480

I'll tell you we're going to no we're

 

0:25:28.480,0:25:32.320

going to set up here I'm going to let

 

0:25:30.480,0:25:33.880

out female sorous and what's going to

 

0:25:32.320,0:25:37.640

happen there's going to be this there's

 

0:25:33.880,0:25:39.919

going to be a pair aness to our left at

 

0:25:37.640,0:25:41.600

350 yards and you're going to think a

 

0:25:39.919,0:25:43.679

ky's going to come out of there but

 

0:25:41.600,0:25:45.720

what's going to happen is over here at

 

0:25:43.679,0:25:47.159

90 yards at that white oak tree there's

 

0:25:45.720,0:25:48.120

going to be a big old bristled up mail

 

0:25:47.159,0:25:50.480

come out and you're going to shoot him

 

0:25:48.120,0:25:52.440

at 60 yards and that'll happen you know

 

0:25:50.480,0:25:54.919

CU I just know that stand you know what

 

0:25:52.440,0:25:57.720

I mean but well and that's the advantage

 

0:25:54.919,0:25:59.880

you have in filming there is you exactly

 

0:25:57.720,0:26:01.840

exactly know where those coyotes are

 

0:25:59.880,0:26:03.200

going to come out and where where

 

0:26:01.840,0:26:05.399

they're probably going to present you a

 

0:26:03.200,0:26:07.240

shot and that's a that's a huge

 

0:26:05.399,0:26:09.480

advantage and guys can use that to their

 

0:26:07.240,0:26:12.360

advantage out here in this country there

 

0:26:09.480,0:26:13.960

is no right there is no guarantees where

 

0:26:12.360,0:26:16.039

they're coming from so it's a Chinese

 

0:26:13.960,0:26:19.039

fire drill every time and another thing

 

0:26:16.039,0:26:21.120

that goes with that is ky ky density you

 

0:26:19.039,0:26:22.480

know that is one difference between the

 

0:26:21.120,0:26:24.640

East and the west and a lot of these

 

0:26:22.480,0:26:27.039

eastern states we don't have the coyote

 

0:26:24.640,0:26:28.960

density that the western states have so

 

0:26:27.039,0:26:30.919

you can have coyotes just in every

 

0:26:28.960,0:26:33.000

direction of you well here if you do

 

0:26:30.919,0:26:35.360

your scouting and what Al said earlier

 

0:26:33.000,0:26:37.399

which I think was a great great sound

 

0:26:35.360,0:26:39.640

bite Al great great thing you mentioned

 

0:26:37.399,0:26:42.000

was woodsmanship if you use a

 

0:26:39.640,0:26:43.679

woodsmanship and stuff and scouting

 

0:26:42.000,0:26:45.600

you'll you'll have a good idea where

 

0:26:43.679,0:26:47.360

your cows are going to be and where

 

0:26:45.600,0:26:49.120

they're how they're going to advance to

 

0:26:47.360,0:26:50.760

the call here in the East now when you

 

0:26:49.120,0:26:53.399

get in that Midwestern stuff it gets a

 

0:26:50.760,0:26:55.640

little bit more dice here uh but you can

 

0:26:53.399,0:26:57.919

you know that Kansas

 

0:26:55.640,0:27:00.440

Oklahoma um you know all that type of

 

0:26:57.919,0:27:02.720

country that Northern Texas you know you

 

0:27:00.440,0:27:04.640

can you can have a pretty decent idea

 

0:27:02.720,0:27:05.880

but they can surprise you more I think

 

0:27:04.640,0:27:08.159

one of the reasons they surprise you

 

0:27:05.880,0:27:10.000

more CU there's a higher cow density

 

0:27:08.159,0:27:12.320

there than there is in the East so I

 

0:27:10.000,0:27:15.039

think further in the East Al my high my

 

0:27:12.320,0:27:16.880

percentage is up on I can tell you where

 

0:27:15.039,0:27:19.840

ky's going to come and how he's going to

 

0:27:16.880,0:27:22.919

advance the further I get to the West

 

0:27:19.840,0:27:24.399

the more my percentage drops of whether

 

0:27:22.919,0:27:26.640

I'm right or wrong where the Cy's going

 

0:27:24.399,0:27:29.360

to show up at hey and let's transfer

 

0:27:26.640,0:27:32.919

right into my next question would be uh

 

0:27:29.360,0:27:36.559

distance how far do you go between

 

0:27:32.919,0:27:39.279

stands oh man that's a great question

 

0:27:36.559,0:27:41.240

and I think that has a lot just going

 

0:27:39.279,0:27:43.240

off what we just said it has a lot to do

 

0:27:41.240,0:27:44.960

with your coyote density and the lay of

 

0:27:43.240,0:27:48.480

your land and how much land you do have

 

0:27:44.960,0:27:50.480

to hunt exactly yeah you know if I'm if

 

0:27:48.480,0:27:52.720

say I'm in I'll be in Wyoming here in a

 

0:27:50.480,0:27:54.159

few weeks turkey hunting if we fill our

 

0:27:52.720,0:27:56.480

turkey tags we'll probably make coyot

 

0:27:54.159,0:28:00.600

stands and what we'll do is we'll get on

 

0:27:56.480,0:28:02.799

onx and uh find BLM huge tracks of BLM

 

0:28:00.600,0:28:05.039

we'll hit get on a two track start

 

0:28:02.799,0:28:07.480

making Kow stands you know get the wind

 

0:28:05.039,0:28:11.000

where we think we need and and head that

 

0:28:07.480,0:28:13.480

head that way and usually I think we're

 

0:28:11.000,0:28:16.799

probably making a stand

 

0:28:13.480,0:28:19.559

ever I don't know half a mile to a mile

 

0:28:16.799,0:28:22.480

probably when be doing that how do you

 

0:28:19.559,0:28:24.240

what do you think about that you know

 

0:28:22.480,0:28:26.720

that one I always refer back to that

 

0:28:24.240,0:28:29.600

coyote that I I was out in Nevada and

 

0:28:26.720,0:28:31.840

snowed three Ines and and I back then I

 

0:28:29.600,0:28:32.919

only had a Johnny Stewart tape player

 

0:28:31.840,0:28:36.399

and I put in

 

0:28:32.919,0:28:38.679

101c Jack Rabbit and I turned that

 

0:28:36.399,0:28:41.000

player on not max volume but pretty

 

0:28:38.679,0:28:43.440

close it was an old fishing tackle box

 

0:28:41.000,0:28:46.159

that I had a tape player and a 60 foot

 

0:28:43.440,0:28:48.880

ACC cord in and I put that old TOA

 

0:28:46.159,0:28:51.200

speaker out there and I turned on 101c

 

0:28:48.880,0:28:52.720

Johnny Stewart Jack Rabbit and I looked

 

0:28:51.200,0:28:55.279

up and I went wow look at that Jack

 

0:28:52.720,0:28:57.760

Rabbit jump out on that two track well I

 

0:28:55.279,0:29:01.080

put that 14 Power pentac Scope on my

 

0:28:57.760,0:29:03.480

father LW 220 Swift and it was a coyote

 

0:29:01.080,0:29:05.760

boy I ain't heard that in a long

 

0:29:03.480,0:29:07.600

time keep on going but that's a brand

 

0:29:05.760,0:29:08.480

you don't hear of too much anymore keep

 

0:29:07.600,0:29:13.080

on

 

0:29:08.480,0:29:16.000

going and uh that old uh coyote jogged

 

0:29:13.080,0:29:19.519

up there 12 minutes it took that coyote

 

0:29:16.000,0:29:24.039

to come uh

 

0:29:19.519,0:29:25.799

1.6 miles to and I saw his tracks I

 

0:29:24.039,0:29:27.200

drove I put him in the truck after I

 

0:29:25.799,0:29:31.200

shot him right he was sniffing the

 

0:29:27.200,0:29:33.679

speaker at 25 ft and I threw him in that

 

0:29:31.200,0:29:37.320

old Toyota truck and drove he had been

 

0:29:33.679,0:29:39.559

on that two track for 2.2 miles and I

 

0:29:37.320,0:29:43.640

didn't see him till he was like at

 

0:29:39.559,0:29:46.159

1.7 and so that coyote on medium volume

 

0:29:43.640,0:29:47.519

heard that rabbit sound 2.2 miles that

 

0:29:46.159,0:29:49.919

morning because there was very little

 

0:29:47.519,0:29:52.960

wind Y and it was across this huge I

 

0:29:49.919,0:29:54.600

mean the flat was 10 miles across and so

 

0:29:52.960,0:29:56.799

this coyot was out there in that flat

 

0:29:54.600,0:29:58.679

and I turned on that jack rabbit sound

 

0:29:56.799,0:30:00.320

and he came up there and it was 2.2

 

0:29:58.679,0:30:03.159

miles to where he jumped out on that two

 

0:30:00.320,0:30:07.919

track and came on a direct line to me

 

0:30:03.159,0:30:10.480

and uh so out west when I have country

 

0:30:07.919,0:30:12.720

to run and Country to burn I like to get

 

0:30:10.480,0:30:15.240

that mile to mile and a half between

 

0:30:12.720,0:30:16.000

stands because I know if I three4 volume

 

0:30:15.240,0:30:18.519

that

 

0:30:16.000,0:30:20.760

x24 I need to cover that much country

 

0:30:18.519,0:30:23.440

because those coyos can hear that far

 

0:30:20.760,0:30:26.120

now if all you've got is Uncle Joe's

 

0:30:23.440,0:30:28.519

cattle pasture yeah you know you're not

 

0:30:26.120,0:30:31.039

going to make that mile and a half jump

 

0:30:28.519,0:30:32.840

so then I directionalize when I want to

 

0:30:31.039,0:30:35.240

and when I find concentrations of

 

0:30:32.840,0:30:36.960

coyotes John when me and Garvin would

 

0:30:35.240,0:30:39.120

find these huge concentrations of

 

0:30:36.960,0:30:41.640

coyotes we would directionalize and what

 

0:30:39.120,0:30:44.360

I mean by that is we would get in close

 

0:30:41.640,0:30:46.880

and I would face the speaker East and we

 

0:30:44.360,0:30:49.240

would call quietly you know I never got

 

0:30:46.880,0:30:52.640

to even half volume I would do rabbit

 

0:30:49.240,0:30:56.320

East and then we would go uh half a

 

0:30:52.640,0:30:57.679

quarter mile yep and call directly south

 

0:30:56.320,0:31:00.320

and then we'd go another quarter mile

 

0:30:57.679,0:31:02.799

and directly nor you know e or west and

 

0:31:00.320,0:31:05.639

then directly north I would I would work

 

0:31:02.799,0:31:08.440

a concentration of coyotes directionally

 

0:31:05.639,0:31:11.919

and volume down and try to make more

 

0:31:08.440,0:31:15.039

sets right in in those type of areas I

 

0:31:11.919,0:31:17.320

think I think it's I think it's a great

 

0:31:15.039,0:31:19.159

great point I think it's a great tip

 

0:31:17.320,0:31:21.440

because that's kind of what I was going

 

0:31:19.159,0:31:23.799

to say about here back home just like

 

0:31:21.440,0:31:25.559

you said you got Uncle Tommy's pasture

 

0:31:23.799,0:31:27.919

and that's about it you know you you

 

0:31:25.559,0:31:30.519

have smaller tracks of land to hunt and

 

0:31:27.919,0:31:32.000

and they might be you know you might not

 

0:31:30.519,0:31:33.240

have you might have to drive 10 mies for

 

0:31:32.000,0:31:35.080

you get to your next piece of property

 

0:31:33.240,0:31:37.200

that you have permission on but if say

 

0:31:35.080,0:31:39.240

if you do have a track it's a couple

 

0:31:37.200,0:31:41.320

hundred couple hundred acres don't sound

 

0:31:39.240,0:31:43.679

like much for out west right but here in

 

0:31:41.320,0:31:45.799

the East that's a lot of land you know

 

0:31:43.679,0:31:48.159

you can might be able to get squeeze two

 

0:31:45.799,0:31:50.519

or three or four stands off of it and

 

0:31:48.159,0:31:52.799

just what you said Al is what I'll do on

 

0:31:50.519,0:31:54.600

those pieces of property you know that

 

0:31:52.799,0:31:57.080

piece that 200 Acres might not have it

 

0:31:54.600,0:31:58.639

one pair of coyotes on it but who's to

 

0:31:57.080,0:32:00.679

say you're going to set up in the right

 

0:31:58.639,0:32:03.679

spot to get them called in so what I do

 

0:32:00.679,0:32:05.720

is that quiet I call it quiet calling

 

0:32:03.679,0:32:08.039

that you know I'll set up on the stand

 

0:32:05.720,0:32:10.440

I'm I'm projecting sound out there where

 

0:32:08.039,0:32:13.240

I think if the coyotes are there they'll

 

0:32:10.440,0:32:15.559

come to me and then you know I'll get up

 

0:32:13.240,0:32:17.639

and just move two or 3 hundred yards and

 

0:32:15.559,0:32:19.760

set up again in quiet call and I have

 

0:32:17.639,0:32:21.919

caught I have killed many coyotes like

 

0:32:19.760,0:32:24.399

that your first set up don't work move

 

0:32:21.919,0:32:25.760

300 yards boom all a sudden you kill a

 

0:32:24.399,0:32:27.360

double you know where were they at on

 

0:32:25.760,0:32:30.600

the first stand well they weren too far

 

0:32:27.360,0:32:32.279

off they just going to come to you um

 

0:32:30.600,0:32:35.440

get in a lot of that here in the East

 

0:32:32.279,0:32:38.320

but you know I think it's great a great

 

0:32:35.440,0:32:40.320

uh thing to bring up Al no and then I

 

0:32:38.320,0:32:43.000

want to know how long you're how my

 

0:32:40.320,0:32:45.960

number one question I get every seminar

 

0:32:43.000,0:32:48.519

I ever do John is how long do you call

 

0:32:45.960,0:32:50.559

yeah yeah yeah we that's my number one

 

0:32:48.519,0:32:52.360

question we get that a lot and that's

 

0:32:50.559,0:32:54.799

another thing one of those things that I

 

0:32:52.360,0:32:56.480

think is kind of situational but this is

 

0:32:54.799,0:32:59.120

actually I actually had this one down as

 

0:32:56.480,0:33:01.760

well a lot of this has has to do with

 

0:32:59.120,0:33:05.399

where I'm hunting and a time of

 

0:33:01.760,0:33:07.760

year seem like my summer stands can be

 

0:33:05.399,0:33:10.320

longer my fall stands are a little

 

0:33:07.760,0:33:12.159

shorter and then my breeding season time

 

0:33:10.320,0:33:14.399

of the frame stands are a little longer

 

0:33:12.159,0:33:17.440

so to get right there to it my

 

0:33:14.399,0:33:21.080

summertime stands they're I'm using con

 

0:33:17.440,0:33:22.480

20 25 minutes now my fall stands when

 

0:33:21.080,0:33:24.840

I've got all those yearing running

 

0:33:22.480,0:33:25.559

around and if I've got a lot of stands

 

0:33:24.840,0:33:28.559

to

 

0:33:25.559,0:33:31.399

make shoot sometimes them short like 12

 

0:33:28.559,0:33:33.000

minutes 12 to 17 minutes and then winter

 

0:33:31.399,0:33:34.840

time again when you get back to breeding

 

0:33:33.000,0:33:37.039

season I'll make stands well over 30

 

0:33:34.840,0:33:39.559

minutes 30 35 minutes for a breeding

 

0:33:37.039,0:33:42.639

season Stan no and that's awesome

 

0:33:39.559,0:33:44.519

because in you know I base the entire

 

0:33:42.639,0:33:47.360

year around breeding season February

 

0:33:44.519,0:33:48.960

15th 62 days later PPS in the dirt so

 

0:33:47.360,0:33:51.600

then you've got your summer season so

 

0:33:48.960,0:33:53.399

that summer season goes till August 15th

 

0:33:51.600,0:33:56.639

and then I call it my fall season August

 

0:33:53.399,0:33:58.480

15th to December 15th is fall and then

 

0:33:56.639,0:34:02.000

December 15th

 

0:33:58.480,0:34:05.200

to February is the breeding and and and

 

0:34:02.000,0:34:08.480

what I've noticed my season now bases on

 

0:34:05.200,0:34:11.720

whether I'm filming yeah or and so

 

0:34:08.480,0:34:14.000

filming time on stand we're staying 15

 

0:34:11.720,0:34:14.760

20 minutes you know and that's typically

 

0:34:14.000,0:34:17.879

my

 

0:34:14.760,0:34:22.839

fall stands when I'm playing more prey

 

0:34:17.879,0:34:27.079

distress um now contest calling me and

 

0:34:22.839,0:34:29.359

garve would make 32 stands in a day and

 

0:34:27.079,0:34:31.440

if you've never made 32 stands in a day

 

0:34:29.359,0:34:34.159

you can't comprehend how fast you have

 

0:34:31.440,0:34:38.320

to move through country and how fast you

 

0:34:34.159,0:34:40.520

have to call and when I say fast 8 10 12

 

0:34:38.320,0:34:42.760

minutes tops if I know we've done our

 

0:34:40.520,0:34:45.200

homework and we know the research is

 

0:34:42.760,0:34:47.760

there that the coyotes are there and we

 

0:34:45.200,0:34:49.480

know or we see a coyote on the stand

 

0:34:47.760,0:34:51.679

that's hanging up or something I may

 

0:34:49.480,0:34:53.119

give him more than eight minutes I may

 

0:34:51.679,0:34:54.839

give him 10 minutes and if that 10

 

0:34:53.119,0:34:56.800

minutes didn't cut it I'll give it 12

 

0:34:54.839,0:35:00.200

but I know I've got to make 32 stands

 

0:34:56.800,0:35:04.560

when I was contest calling every weekend

 

0:35:00.200,0:35:06.760

um it was 8 to 10 12 minute stands and

 

0:35:04.560,0:35:09.960

we would make 32 stands in a day and in

 

0:35:06.760,0:35:12.760

a half a day we would make uh 15 to 20

 

0:35:09.960,0:35:14.280

stands and you have really got to cook

 

0:35:12.760,0:35:15.880

you have really got to lay out your

 

0:35:14.280,0:35:18.079

country and know your country and make

 

0:35:15.880,0:35:20.400

loops you can't backtrack you can't do

 

0:35:18.079,0:35:22.680

any and the more if it takes you five

 

0:35:20.400,0:35:24.359

minutes to walk out to a stand it takes

 

0:35:22.680,0:35:26.560

you five minutes to walk back that's 10

 

0:35:24.359,0:35:28.200

minutes that you are not calling and so

 

0:35:26.560,0:35:32.440

you've got to think about that time

 

0:35:28.200,0:35:36.079

frame and so my average time on stand is

 

0:35:32.440,0:35:39.119

15 minutes if I'm videoing I'll stay 20

 

0:35:36.079,0:35:41.200

if I'm contest calling I'll stay 8 to 10

 

0:35:39.119,0:35:43.000

and uh if I know there's coyotes there

 

0:35:41.200,0:35:45.720

and they start vocalizing in breeding

 

0:35:43.000,0:35:47.880

season or spring summer season if I get

 

0:35:45.720,0:35:50.200

coyotes vocalizing I will stay up to 45

 

0:35:47.880,0:35:53.079

minutes on a stand to work those coyotes

 

0:35:50.200,0:35:56.720

and it's just there is no it's so

 

0:35:53.079,0:36:00.079

situational as you said John yes on time

 

0:35:56.720,0:36:02.599

that it factors back into how confident

 

0:36:00.079,0:36:06.079

are you in the sounds you have on your

 

0:36:02.599,0:36:09.040

unit and I really think that adding The

 

0:36:06.079,0:36:12.599

mfk Sound Library to the fox Pro Library

 

0:36:09.040,0:36:14.839

I think I'm Invincible now and so I will

 

0:36:12.599,0:36:17.040

stay longer occasionally to work a coyot

 

0:36:14.839,0:36:18.880

because I have more sounds to throw at

 

0:36:17.040,0:36:20.800

him than I've ever had before in my

 

0:36:18.880,0:36:23.319

Arsenal I think I think you brought up a

 

0:36:20.800,0:36:25.319

great point about you know if you did

 

0:36:23.319,0:36:27.079

your homework which I know you guys will

 

0:36:25.319,0:36:29.599

go out and locate quite a bit back in

 

0:36:27.079,0:36:32.760

your cont coling days well that is still

 

0:36:29.599,0:36:35.119

a that's a very effective tool here back

 

0:36:32.760,0:36:37.520

in the East especially during the den

 

0:36:35.119,0:36:39.640

season months like we was talking about

 

0:36:37.520,0:36:43.240

earlier we don't have the coyote density

 

0:36:39.640,0:36:45.240

in the East okay so you can really cut

 

0:36:43.240,0:36:46.920

out a lot of dry stands if you'll go out

 

0:36:45.240,0:36:48.839

and try to locate some coyotes you know

 

0:36:46.920,0:36:51.240

during that summer time frame the coyes

 

0:36:48.839,0:36:53.280

are are extremely vocal if you can get a

 

0:36:51.240,0:36:56.119

few located you know they're going to be

 

0:36:53.280,0:36:58.839

fairly close to their D site what I like

 

0:36:56.119,0:37:00.319

to do is if I've got suit pinned down I

 

0:36:58.839,0:37:02.640

know where they're at out you know I

 

0:37:00.319,0:37:04.560

tell you load up bring the dogs from

 

0:37:02.640,0:37:08.359

Utah I've got

 

0:37:04.560,0:37:11.359

25 pairs located that's got pups we

 

0:37:08.359,0:37:13.200

going we going do some decoy dogging

 

0:37:11.359,0:37:15.680

those type of stands if I know exactly

 

0:37:13.200,0:37:18.240

where they're at and I've got the

 

0:37:15.680,0:37:21.400

terrain that lets me get exactly where I

 

0:37:18.240,0:37:24.040

want you know to get set up on these you

 

0:37:21.400,0:37:26.240

know you know I know I've got coyotes

 

0:37:24.040,0:37:28.319

there I'll stay a little bit longer till

 

0:37:26.240,0:37:30.599

I call them up but I'm expecting to call

 

0:37:28.319,0:37:33.119

them up in the first six or eight

 

0:37:30.599,0:37:34.680

minutes you know what I mean and and

 

0:37:33.119,0:37:37.119

then when it comes to that it all

 

0:37:34.680,0:37:39.560

depends on how many coyotes I have

 

0:37:37.119,0:37:41.560

located if I've just got two or three

 

0:37:39.560,0:37:43.160

groups of coyotes located I'm going to

 

0:37:41.560,0:37:44.920

make a pretty long stand till I kill

 

0:37:43.160,0:37:46.920

them you know if it takes a long stand

 

0:37:44.920,0:37:49.760

it just takes a long stand now if I've

 

0:37:46.920,0:37:51.720

got 35 of them different groups located

 

0:37:49.760,0:37:53.000

and we wanting to try to hit all of them

 

0:37:51.720,0:37:54.440

we're just going be making about 10 or

 

0:37:53.000,0:37:56.200

12 minute stands probably to make sure

 

0:37:54.440,0:37:58.119

we get them all crammed in you know what

 

0:37:56.200,0:38:00.760

I mean and John I know I know there are

 

0:37:58.119,0:38:03.440

guys out there going how do you you find

 

0:38:00.760,0:38:05.599

coyotes how do you how do you find you

 

0:38:03.440,0:38:08.000

know and guys it's really is you got to

 

0:38:05.599,0:38:10.839

go out and and with coyote vocalizations

 

0:38:08.000,0:38:12.520

with fed siren you know with siren

 

0:38:10.839,0:38:14.640

sounds you know when everybody hears

 

0:38:12.520,0:38:16.280

that ambulance going through the streets

 

0:38:14.640,0:38:19.640

and then the dogs start howling and the

 

0:38:16.280,0:38:22.280

coyotes start howling um loud noises at

 

0:38:19.640,0:38:24.240

night it's like I know you turkey

 

0:38:22.280,0:38:26.599

hunters have gone out and slammed a door

 

0:38:24.240,0:38:29.359

accidentally and a and it made that old

 

0:38:26.599,0:38:31.160

gobbler gobble at you it's the same you

 

0:38:29.359,0:38:32.560

can go out at night and locate these

 

0:38:31.160,0:38:34.960

coyotes if you don't know what we're

 

0:38:32.560,0:38:37.560

talking about go find the coyotes that

 

0:38:34.960,0:38:40.520

you want to kill and that's what all

 

0:38:37.560,0:38:42.480

these contest callers the good ones um

 

0:38:40.520,0:38:45.040

they they'll spend 10 days scouting for

 

0:38:42.480,0:38:48.520

one day a hunting right right you know

 

0:38:45.040,0:38:50.280

like I said and that's I see sometimes

 

0:38:48.520,0:38:53.119

on social media and stuff like that or

 

0:38:50.280,0:38:55.920

listen to other podcast and the that

 

0:38:53.119,0:38:57.800

topic will come up about locating and

 

0:38:55.920,0:38:59.359

some people will just shrug it off like

 

0:38:57.800,0:39:02.520

yeah there's no sense in Loca you don't

 

0:38:59.359,0:39:05.079

need to locate just go call well that

 

0:39:02.520,0:39:06.599

can be true in those super high density

 

0:39:05.079,0:39:09.240

areas know there's some of those type of

 

0:39:06.599,0:39:11.640

areas in Texas if you go up to the dtas

 

0:39:09.240,0:39:14.319

where there's way way way more coyotes

 

0:39:11.640,0:39:15.920

than there is people uh you know some of

 

0:39:14.319,0:39:18.440

these other states that just don't get

 

0:39:15.920,0:39:20.640

the pressure but have just crazy numbers

 

0:39:18.440,0:39:22.720

of Cs and a low population of people and

 

0:39:20.640,0:39:24.440

even lower population of hunters yeah

 

0:39:22.720,0:39:26.960

you can just go make a stands and you

 

0:39:24.440,0:39:29.319

can do that here in the east as well but

 

0:39:26.960,0:39:31.920

if you get up to a place like say

 

0:39:29.319,0:39:33.720

Pennsylvania where there is more hunters

 

0:39:31.920,0:39:35.720

in the state of Pennsylvania than there

 

0:39:33.720,0:39:39.079

probably is people in the state of w

 

0:39:35.720,0:39:43.200

homing right guess what you and and then

 

0:39:39.079,0:39:45.200

far far far less coyotes doing a little

 

0:39:43.200,0:39:47.680

bit of scouting and locating you some

 

0:39:45.200,0:39:49.720

cows can really cut out on some dry

 

0:39:47.680,0:39:51.880

stands it's just it's just so

 

0:39:49.720,0:39:54.040

situational where you're at

 

0:39:51.880,0:39:55.680

geographically the density of coyot you

 

0:39:54.040,0:39:58.720

have and amount of hunters you got to

 

0:39:55.680,0:40:00.839

you've got to contend with so right

 

0:39:58.720,0:40:02.760

let's move on to another one here Al

 

0:40:00.839,0:40:04.599

I've got one for you there's one I get

 

0:40:02.760,0:40:06.839

all the time and I guarantee you got it

 

0:40:04.599,0:40:10.480

as well you have a guy walk up to the

 

0:40:06.839,0:40:14.680

booth at the Harrisburg show he says Big

 

0:40:10.480,0:40:18.960

Al I set my x24 out there I rip out a

 

0:40:14.680,0:40:23.079

set of hows coyotes how back what do I

 

0:40:18.960,0:40:25.480

do what do I do next they won't come

 

0:40:23.079,0:40:28.119

that is that is the biggest question I

 

0:40:25.480,0:40:31.079

get back east in particular is guys are

 

0:40:28.119,0:40:33.680

out night huny in particular or day

 

0:40:31.079,0:40:36.240

calling doesn't matter and those coyotes

 

0:40:33.680,0:40:39.599

will howl back but they will not

 

0:40:36.240,0:40:42.520

come and honestly guys and gals there is

 

0:40:39.599,0:40:46.400

no firm answer as to why are they

 

0:40:42.520,0:40:49.359

educated I don't think so I think

 

0:40:46.400,0:40:50.960

invariably if you are in a situation

 

0:40:49.359,0:40:53.839

where the coyotes and let's say those

 

0:40:50.960,0:40:55.680

coyotes came 500 yards closer they're

 

0:40:53.839,0:40:58.160

still at three or 400 yards but they

 

0:40:55.680,0:41:00.440

won't break that tree line

 

0:40:58.160,0:41:03.000

I don't think they are that particularly

 

0:41:00.440,0:41:04.480

smart as to not come out there because

 

0:41:03.000,0:41:06.520

there's other times where you've been

 

0:41:04.480,0:41:08.680

300 yards from that tree line and those

 

0:41:06.520,0:41:11.359

coyotes just run out there 100 yards you

 

0:41:08.680,0:41:13.200

get your shots and you're gripping and

 

0:41:11.359,0:41:15.760

grinning with the you know couple three

 

0:41:13.200,0:41:18.880

kyotes and the next time you go to a

 

0:41:15.760,0:41:21.920

similar situation and they hang up what

 

0:41:18.880,0:41:24.400

makes coyotes hang up in particular the

 

0:41:21.920,0:41:28.359

number one reason I think coyotes won't

 

0:41:24.400,0:41:30.760

finish is that it's a territorial bound

 

0:41:28.359,0:41:33.880

those coyotes will Mark trees Mark fence

 

0:41:30.760,0:41:35.839

lines will Mark you know and I'm sure in

 

0:41:33.880,0:41:37.200

some areas of the country in Indiana we

 

0:41:35.839,0:41:39.079

had some kyot that wouldn't come but I

 

0:41:37.200,0:41:40.400

think they got shot at you know they

 

0:41:39.079,0:41:44.160

knew if they went out in the open they

 

0:41:40.400,0:41:45.960

were going to get zinged but day in day

 

0:41:44.160,0:41:47.880

out the number one reason a coyot won't

 

0:41:45.960,0:41:50.680

come and I've asked people to do this

 

0:41:47.880,0:41:53.119

when a coyot comes 500 yards but they're

 

0:41:50.680,0:41:55.839

800 yards they how back then they get to

 

0:41:53.119,0:41:58.520

300 and they won't break if you will

 

0:41:55.839,0:42:01.480

just go typically downwind or get just a

 

0:41:58.520,0:42:03.560

quarter wi situation different walk in

 

0:42:01.480,0:42:05.200

there try to get to a different opening

 

0:42:03.560,0:42:07.640

or even just get in there with them in

 

0:42:05.200,0:42:09.160

the trees in the dark and call them a

 

0:42:07.640,0:42:11.359

different direction those coyotes

 

0:42:09.160,0:42:14.160

completely overrun you and it's because

 

0:42:11.359,0:42:16.760

they didn't run into a boundary and

 

0:42:14.160,0:42:18.880

those boundaries are you not imaginary

 

0:42:16.760,0:42:20.960

they're just we can't always tell that

 

0:42:18.880,0:42:22.680

there's a boundary there from another

 

0:42:20.960,0:42:25.359

group of coyotes those coyotes will

 

0:42:22.680,0:42:28.000

section out areas of country that is

 

0:42:25.359,0:42:30.520

theirs that pack

 

0:42:28.000,0:42:32.119

will not let the other coyotes you know

 

0:42:30.520,0:42:33.720

and if you do get coyotes to break

 

0:42:32.119,0:42:35.800

through those situations it's usually

 

0:42:33.720,0:42:38.480

singles they're usually the transient

 

0:42:35.800,0:42:40.960

coyotes that are not with that group but

 

0:42:38.480,0:42:43.559

are not willing to pass a a free lunch

 

0:42:40.960,0:42:45.760

situation or a free meal or they're

 

0:42:43.559,0:42:47.599

looking for a mate I mean there are

 

0:42:45.760,0:42:50.160

situations where you can get coyotes to

 

0:42:47.599,0:42:52.760

break through those boundaries that that

 

0:42:50.160,0:42:54.839

those packs set up but that's the number

 

0:42:52.760,0:42:56.559

one reason I think Kyle's hang up yep I

 

0:42:54.839,0:42:58.400

think it pretty much comes down to four

 

0:42:56.559,0:43:02.160

reasons

 

0:42:58.400,0:43:04.160

one is they can be C shy either too many

 

0:43:02.160,0:43:05.760

Hunters have tried them you've messed up

 

0:43:04.160,0:43:07.920

on them you know they're call Shy

 

0:43:05.760,0:43:09.599

they're just not going to come in I mean

 

0:43:07.920,0:43:11.160

you do run in those situations so I

 

0:43:09.599,0:43:13.319

think that's one of one of the

 

0:43:11.160,0:43:16.200

situations especially if guys call from

 

0:43:13.319,0:43:18.920

the same road same location Time After

 

0:43:16.200,0:43:20.960

Time After Time After Time another

 

0:43:18.920,0:43:23.359

situation is you're not close enough to

 

0:43:20.960,0:43:24.760

them and some State Al was just telling

 

0:43:23.359,0:43:26.720

a story about a coyot coming what did

 

0:43:24.760,0:43:29.319

you say over two miles the coyot came

 

0:43:26.720,0:43:31.559

from that you think yeah you know well

 

0:43:29.319,0:43:34.400

you might get some of exactly well you

 

0:43:31.559,0:43:36.960

get in these eastern states to for a ky

 

0:43:34.400,0:43:39.280

to travel 2.2 miles he might have to

 

0:43:36.960,0:43:42.400

cross three County Roads a state highway

 

0:43:39.280,0:43:44.240

and an Interstate 20 fences and 20 fence

 

0:43:42.400,0:43:45.920

he's not going to come that far so

 

0:43:44.240,0:43:48.079

there's there's times that you're just

 

0:43:45.920,0:43:51.000

not close enough to them another thing

 

0:43:48.079,0:43:52.720

is just exactly what Al said a boundary

 

0:43:51.000,0:43:55.000

if you do hunt some of these spots where

 

0:43:52.720,0:43:56.680

you can see KY T distance and you see

 

0:43:55.000,0:43:58.359

them just coming just kicking up dirt

 

0:43:56.680,0:44:00.160

like cra crazy then all a sudden they

 

0:43:58.359,0:44:03.240

just hit a wall and then they'll sit out

 

0:44:00.160,0:44:04.760

there and bark and Carry On and and you

 

0:44:03.240,0:44:06.079

have the wind there's no way they smelt

 

0:44:04.760,0:44:07.240

you nothing like that guess what they

 

0:44:06.079,0:44:09.760

probably come to a boundary they just

 

0:44:07.240,0:44:12.160

ain't going to cross so that's another

 

0:44:09.760,0:44:14.359

one and I think another situation the

 

0:44:12.160,0:44:18.280

fourth one is they just don't have

 

0:44:14.359,0:44:21.000

enough wind to feel safe to to advance

 

0:44:18.280,0:44:23.640

you know they don't feel safe enough to

 

0:44:21.000,0:44:24.880

that they can get downwind of the sound

 

0:44:23.640,0:44:26.640

and they just don't feel comfortable

 

0:44:24.880,0:44:29.040

doing it they're not getting enough

 

0:44:26.640,0:44:32.559

information for them to make a wise

 

0:44:29.040,0:44:35.200

choice so they do it exactly not that

 

0:44:32.559,0:44:36.520

they're they're sitting there just I

 

0:44:35.200,0:44:38.160

don't think they're extraordinarily

 

0:44:36.520,0:44:39.680

smart like yeah like they're sitting

 

0:44:38.160,0:44:41.839

there thinking well man I can't smell

 

0:44:39.680,0:44:44.760

that I it's just that in it's that

 

0:44:41.839,0:44:47.440

instinct thing that they just there baby

 

0:44:44.760,0:44:49.520

coyotes know that you know how can you

 

0:44:47.440,0:44:52.800

call you have a yearling coyote born in

 

0:44:49.520,0:44:55.000

mid April and then you call that coyot

 

0:44:52.800,0:44:57.440

midt and he automatically starts

 

0:44:55.000,0:45:00.720

circling down when how did he didn't

 

0:44:57.440,0:45:02.359

actually earn it never beened never been

 

0:45:00.720,0:45:04.800

hunted a day in his life they still

 

0:45:02.359,0:45:07.599

Circle to get the win I know I've hunted

 

0:45:04.800,0:45:09.880

kyot that have never smelled a human and

 

0:45:07.599,0:45:12.599

they're circling to get the wind why

 

0:45:09.880,0:45:14.119

because that's what god mother nature

 

0:45:12.599,0:45:17.280

whatever you want to call it put into

 

0:45:14.119,0:45:20.079

them yep so so the kind of answer that

 

0:45:17.280,0:45:22.319

question is hey sometimes you just ain't

 

0:45:20.079,0:45:25.359

close enough get closer to where those

 

0:45:22.319,0:45:27.880

coyotes are at um if you think they

 

0:45:25.359,0:45:29.640

could be called shy lay off at area a

 

0:45:27.880,0:45:31.680

little bit I mean you don't have to try

 

0:45:29.640,0:45:33.800

to burn them up every single week at the

 

0:45:31.680,0:45:35.720

same exact piece of property standing at

 

0:45:33.800,0:45:37.839

the same exact stand give them a little

 

0:45:35.720,0:45:39.760

break uh another thing learn those

 

0:45:37.839,0:45:41.200

boundaries learn those boundaries if you

 

0:45:39.760,0:45:43.280

run into that situation where they

 

0:45:41.200,0:45:45.319

always come to a certain fence a certain

 

0:45:43.280,0:45:47.359

ditch line a certain whatever and they

 

0:45:45.319,0:45:48.760

never get a c to cross it well you

 

0:45:47.359,0:45:50.440

probably need to go that ditch fence

 

0:45:48.760,0:45:52.160

line or whatever it is and call from

 

0:45:50.440,0:45:54.359

there and don't not try to make them

 

0:45:52.160,0:45:57.520

cross it and then that that last one

 

0:45:54.359,0:45:59.119

about the wind you know if the wind is

 

0:45:57.520,0:46:01.319

directly in your face and those coyotes

 

0:45:59.119,0:46:03.160

are trying to come from directly up wind

 

0:46:01.319,0:46:04.599

some of those coyotes it's been around a

 

0:46:03.160,0:46:06.880

while and heard a few sounds it's hard

 

0:46:04.599,0:46:09.559

to call those coyotes in if they can't

 

0:46:06.880,0:46:11.359

they have no way of of getting the wind

 

0:46:09.559,0:46:12.960

and and smelling what that sound is try

 

0:46:11.359,0:46:15.000

to hunt those Crosswinds give them a

 

0:46:12.960,0:46:16.680

little cheat that wind a little bit you

 

0:46:15.000,0:46:19.200

know just you got to still be able to

 

0:46:16.680,0:46:20.440

kill you know shoot those downwind areas

 

0:46:19.200,0:46:22.319

but give them a little bit of wind and

 

0:46:20.440,0:46:24.640

you can see a huge difference when it

 

0:46:22.319,0:46:27.000

comes to that and then I've challenged

 

0:46:24.640,0:46:28.880

some people in the past to they're all

 

0:46:27.000,0:46:30.640

night hunters and they're getting these

 

0:46:28.880,0:46:33.000

dogs hung up I challenge them to take

 

0:46:30.640,0:46:35.760

their shotguns go get in those Hardwoods

 

0:46:33.000,0:46:37.240

and call during the day 10 to noon

 

0:46:35.760,0:46:39.040

sometimes like that when those coyotes

 

0:46:37.240,0:46:41.800

you know they're laying in that 20 acre

 

0:46:39.040,0:46:43.280

woodlock and they're smart at night but

 

0:46:41.800,0:46:45.440

they go in there during the day and the

 

0:46:43.280,0:46:47.000

guy came up at Harrisburg this year and

 

0:46:45.440,0:46:48.480

just gave me a big old hug he said I

 

0:46:47.000,0:46:50.960

went in there with my 12 gauge and it

 

0:46:48.480,0:46:53.400

got a double and he called those KS that

 

0:46:50.960,0:46:55.680

had had poo pooed him a half dozen times

 

0:46:53.400,0:46:57.520

at night he went in there during the day

 

0:46:55.680,0:46:59.800

got in tight with him and called him

 

0:46:57.520,0:47:02.160

right up 10 yards he was 10 yards down

 

0:46:59.800,0:47:05.480

window the fox BR and he shotgunned them

 

0:47:02.160,0:47:07.079

both looking at the caller so here's

 

0:47:05.480,0:47:09.599

another one kind of goes right off the

 

0:47:07.079,0:47:12.400

same lines and I I hate getting this

 

0:47:09.599,0:47:13.720

question and there's going to be guys

 

0:47:12.400,0:47:15.400

listening it's probably asked this

 

0:47:13.720,0:47:17.800

question like why you hate hearing it

 

0:47:15.400,0:47:21.119

well the deal is it's so

 

0:47:17.800,0:47:24.319

situational here it is Al I'm hun I'm

 

0:47:21.119,0:47:26.440

hunting properties that I know have Coes

 

0:47:24.319,0:47:29.240

I know they're there Big Al but man I'm

 

0:47:26.440,0:47:31.559

struggling I can't call nothing up how

 

0:47:29.240,0:47:33.680

do how do you answer that you don't you

 

0:47:31.559,0:47:35.559

know what I mean you don't know what's

 

0:47:33.680,0:47:37.359

going you don't know the problem people

 

0:47:35.559,0:47:39.800

what people don't understand is coyotes

 

0:47:37.359,0:47:41.520

are on a loop coyotes make a living in

 

0:47:39.800,0:47:43.800

their territory they have a territory

 

0:47:41.520,0:47:47.920

and I call that their Loop and that

 

0:47:43.800,0:47:49.599

territory can be a mile in circumference

 

0:47:47.920,0:47:52.920

it can be two miles it can be three

 

0:47:49.599,0:47:54.920

miles it can be a hundred miles coyotes

 

0:47:52.920,0:47:57.079

will make a loop through an area and I

 

0:47:54.920,0:48:00.559

actually had a guy in West Virginia his

 

0:47:57.079,0:48:02.160

uncle had 600 acres and he every time he

 

0:48:00.559,0:48:04.520

deer hunted he was he was shooting a

 

0:48:02.160,0:48:06.480

Coyotes out of his tree stand and he

 

0:48:04.520,0:48:08.640

said I really got it I mean and so then

 

0:48:06.480,0:48:11.280

I said start locate so he'd go out at

 

0:48:08.640,0:48:13.319

night play vocals and then he would only

 

0:48:11.280,0:48:15.480

hear those coyotes about every third

 

0:48:13.319,0:48:17.000

night and then I told him well they're

 

0:48:15.480,0:48:18.559

probably on a three-day Loop they're

 

0:48:17.000,0:48:20.960

only hitting your uncle's place about

 

0:48:18.559,0:48:22.599

every three days and so then it was a

 

0:48:20.960,0:48:24.640

three-year Odyssey to get him to shoot

 

0:48:22.599,0:48:26.440

these K get he actually called a coyot

 

0:48:24.640,0:48:29.319

in and shot it on his uncle's place

 

0:48:26.440,0:48:31.599

that's 600 acres and he did it knowing

 

0:48:29.319,0:48:33.319

that they had been gone for two nights

 

0:48:31.599,0:48:35.880

they were finally coming in he knew that

 

0:48:33.319,0:48:37.720

was the night they should be on the farm

 

0:48:35.880,0:48:39.640

and he finally called one in and shot it

 

0:48:37.720,0:48:42.520

and he made a big deal out of it those

 

0:48:39.640,0:48:44.280

coyotes are on a loop so yes you're

 

0:48:42.520,0:48:45.440

seeing tracks you're seeing scat when

 

0:48:44.280,0:48:46.720

you're deer hunting you're seeing them

 

0:48:45.440,0:48:49.760

when you're turkey hunting they're

 

0:48:46.720,0:48:52.160

blowing up your turkey sets but remember

 

0:48:49.760,0:48:55.000

those coyotes are on a loop and they're

 

0:48:52.160,0:48:56.920

probably not there 247 365 they're

 

0:48:55.000,0:48:58.960

probably only there every other day

 

0:48:56.920,0:49:01.240

every third day every fifth day every

 

0:48:58.960,0:49:03.599

sixth day it just depends on how big a

 

0:49:01.240,0:49:06.000

territory those coyotes have perfect

 

0:49:03.599,0:49:08.599

perfect answer Al I mean that's there's

 

0:49:06.000,0:49:10.160

so many times people can go in you know

 

0:49:08.599,0:49:11.599

this stuff is situational when we get

 

0:49:10.160,0:49:14.720

asked this we don't know how much ground

 

0:49:11.599,0:49:16.160

you're hunting you know we we'll ask you

 

0:49:14.720,0:49:18.079

that try to gather all the information

 

0:49:16.160,0:49:19.960

we can to help answer that question but

 

0:49:18.079,0:49:21.880

just to generalize people asking you

 

0:49:19.960,0:49:23.960

that it's so situational because it can

 

0:49:21.880,0:49:25.680

be so many things and a lot of times

 

0:49:23.960,0:49:27.599

it's exactly what Al just said when you

 

0:49:25.680,0:49:29.160

go in there and call to ain't there

 

0:49:27.599,0:49:31.960

they're on a neighbor they're two

 

0:49:29.160,0:49:33.640

neighbors over or whatever it is another

 

0:49:31.960,0:49:35.240

one they're just not there to hear the

 

0:49:33.640,0:49:37.480

sounds you're putting out exactly

 

0:49:35.240,0:49:39.200

exactly but guys freak out and think I'm

 

0:49:37.480,0:49:41.319

not playing the right sounds I know

 

0:49:39.200,0:49:42.960

they're here yeah and and it's possible

 

0:49:41.319,0:49:45.160

that they ain't at the right time of

 

0:49:42.960,0:49:47.319

year but more than likely it's the other

 

0:49:45.160,0:49:50.680

it's right but I tell you another thing

 

0:49:47.319,0:49:52.880

that can happen is you're being seen

 

0:49:50.680,0:49:54.160

coming in to your stand you're walking

 

0:49:52.880,0:49:55.599

in where couch are there where they can

 

0:49:54.160,0:49:57.440

see you and guess what they see you

 

0:49:55.599,0:49:59.400

walking in and they watch Big Al go out

 

0:49:57.440,0:50:01.200

there and set the call out there they

 

0:49:59.400,0:50:04.240

watch Big Al go back there and sit down

 

0:50:01.200,0:50:05.760

and they watch Al hit a sound on his

 

0:50:04.240,0:50:08.359

remote

 

0:50:05.760,0:50:10.480

will no they they they know there's a

 

0:50:08.359,0:50:12.000

rat in the hen house same thing if you

 

0:50:10.480,0:50:13.880

if you're driving that big old loud

 

0:50:12.000,0:50:16.599

diesel truck it's got a pipe on it

 

0:50:13.880,0:50:19.359

bigger around as my leg and

 

0:50:16.599,0:50:21.799

it's all the way there popping gravels

 

0:50:19.359,0:50:23.960

and you jump out and you you slam the

 

0:50:21.799,0:50:27.280

door then your buddy slams the door then

 

0:50:23.960,0:50:29.000

old Jake says John we killing them day

 

0:50:27.280,0:50:32.400

squalls

 

0:50:29.000,0:50:35.760

outy of squeaks the fence as you step

 

0:50:32.400,0:50:37.680

over yeah yeah creaky gate snow the snow

 

0:50:35.760,0:50:40.000

can give you away if it's crunchy snow

 

0:50:37.680,0:50:43.200

them kyotes can hear you walking a mile

 

0:50:40.000,0:50:45.160

away if you're crunching through snow I

 

0:50:43.200,0:50:47.319

mean I've seen it I've seen coyotes up

 

0:50:45.160,0:50:49.200

and moving away from me a half mile

 

0:50:47.319,0:50:50.720

three quarters a mile away because they

 

0:50:49.200,0:50:52.760

I don't think they saw us I think they

 

0:50:50.720,0:50:54.880

heard us coming in exactly and then

 

0:50:52.760,0:50:56.280

another thing is you know certain type

 

0:50:54.880,0:50:57.200

of properties just like you talking

 

0:50:56.280,0:50:58.680

about

 

0:50:57.200,0:51:00.160

you know coyotes are burning up your

 

0:50:58.680,0:51:02.040

trail cameras that you got out for

 

0:51:00.160,0:51:03.640

turkeys well I see them right there at

 

0:51:02.040,0:51:05.200

this spot where I got this camera all

 

0:51:03.640,0:51:07.640

the time so you want to go right there

 

0:51:05.200,0:51:08.880

and call what happens is you walk

 

0:51:07.640,0:51:11.359

through all the ground that they're

 

0:51:08.880,0:51:14.440

probably laid up in during the day and

 

0:51:11.359,0:51:16.720

you bumped them and you know well that's

 

0:51:14.440,0:51:19.440

that's the number one thing we me and

 

0:51:16.720,0:51:21.520

John do this podcast we give you these

 

0:51:19.440,0:51:23.440

nuggets of information because we want

 

0:51:21.520,0:51:26.599

you to kill more coyotes where you deer

 

0:51:23.440,0:51:28.920

hunt turkey hunt exactly rabbit hunt

 

0:51:26.599,0:51:31.000

pheasant hunt quail hunt if you will

 

0:51:28.920,0:51:32.520

kill more of these coyotes guys you'll

 

0:51:31.000,0:51:33.880

have more of those other animals and

 

0:51:32.520,0:51:36.359

that's the key that's why you want to

 

0:51:33.880,0:51:38.359

become a better Predator caller a better

 

0:51:36.359,0:51:40.000

Predator Hunter a better Woodsman you

 

0:51:38.359,0:51:41.720

want to remove and you can't get them

 

0:51:40.000,0:51:43.720

all so you just want to get a few of

 

0:51:41.720,0:51:47.079

them and the few you get you're saving

 

0:51:43.720,0:51:50.000

fawns you're saving PS you're you're

 

0:51:47.079,0:51:52.160

saving your animals that that's that's

 

0:51:50.000,0:51:54.799

exactly right and just to summarize up

 

0:51:52.160,0:51:57.079

to answer this question usually what's

 

0:51:54.799,0:51:58.960

probably happening is just what out said

 

0:51:57.079,0:52:02.079

the coyotes aren't there when you tried

 

0:51:58.960,0:52:03.880

to call it but besides for that you

 

0:52:02.079,0:52:06.079

you've got to be careful with your

 

0:52:03.880,0:52:07.280

approach to your stand and you got to

 

0:52:06.079,0:52:08.920

you know be where you can't you're not

 

0:52:07.280,0:52:10.400

being seen by coyes you're not being

 

0:52:08.920,0:52:12.680

heard by Co you know use your

 

0:52:10.400,0:52:14.880

woodsmanship treat these coyot you know

 

0:52:12.680,0:52:16.640

they can be very T there can be easy to

 

0:52:14.880,0:52:19.400

call up or they can be difficult to call

 

0:52:16.640,0:52:21.599

up don't walk through a stand that you

 

0:52:19.400,0:52:24.319

think you might call a coyote up on you

 

0:52:21.599,0:52:26.160

know want that property smart do use the

 

0:52:24.319,0:52:27.200

proper sounds out did bring that up you

 

0:52:26.160,0:52:29.240

know if you're you're using the right

 

0:52:27.200,0:52:31.480

sounds you're hunting the right kind of

 

0:52:29.240,0:52:33.760

wind you know your wind's not blowing

 

0:52:31.480,0:52:35.280

from you to where the coy are they don't

 

0:52:33.760,0:52:36.960

see you they don't hear you before you

 

0:52:35.280,0:52:40.319

get in there and they're laid up there

 

0:52:36.960,0:52:41.720

you're gonna call those coyotes up yep I

 

0:52:40.319,0:52:43.760

that's just it's eventually gonna happen

 

0:52:41.720,0:52:48.079

and when you do call them up ladies and

 

0:52:43.760,0:52:50.160

gentlemen I hope I pray that you take my

 

0:52:48.079,0:52:53.119

advice right now and John you'll agree

 

0:52:50.160,0:52:56.960

with me you have already shot your guns

 

0:52:53.119,0:52:58.880

in to Perfection and and the to shoot

 

0:52:56.960,0:53:01.559

your guns to Perfection is not at the

 

0:52:58.880,0:53:04.640

coyote running away that you just missed

 

0:53:01.559,0:53:07.359

it is to go out and spend more time with

 

0:53:04.640,0:53:09.920

your guns become more intimate unite

 

0:53:07.359,0:53:13.040

Hunters I want you to set targets up at

 

0:53:09.920,0:53:15.680

night on your fat boy tripods and shoot

 

0:53:13.040,0:53:17.119

your guns more you can and I know

 

0:53:15.680,0:53:19.760

ammunition is expensive ladies and

 

0:53:17.119,0:53:22.480

gentlemen I know it is I mean we see it

 

0:53:19.760,0:53:24.880

we pay for it we do it ourselves but the

 

0:53:22.480,0:53:27.160

more time you can spend behind that

 

0:53:24.880,0:53:29.200

luipold scope and that all that Ruger

 

0:53:27.160,0:53:32.799

Gun the more time you will spend at the

 

0:53:29.200,0:53:36.280

range when you do finally call in your

 

0:53:32.799,0:53:38.359

problems and hey I'm guilty as most

 

0:53:36.280,0:53:41.040

people you've seen me give coyotes a lot

 

0:53:38.359,0:53:43.359

of head starts for some reason I I like

 

0:53:41.040,0:53:45.520

to miss them standing broadside and and

 

0:53:43.359,0:53:48.799

or standing head on and then I hit him

 

0:53:45.520,0:53:50.920

running at 300 yard I don't know do that

 

0:53:48.799,0:53:53.520

but I want you to become more intimate

 

0:53:50.920,0:53:55.200

with your guns and the other thing to to

 

0:53:53.520,0:53:58.720

add a little success to this and John

 

0:53:55.200,0:54:01.200

you can add on is uh put a hux works on

 

0:53:58.720,0:54:03.880

the front put a suppressor on there your

 

0:54:01.200,0:54:06.920

multiples will go up I have seen it so

 

0:54:03.880,0:54:10.839

much easier on your years as well well

 

0:54:06.920,0:54:13.319

yeah that's no all great points I I

 

0:54:10.839,0:54:14.880

totally 100% agree and I was just

 

0:54:13.319,0:54:18.359

starting to realize how long we've been

 

0:54:14.880,0:54:21.119

on here and I've still got like I don't

 

0:54:18.359,0:54:22.480

I got like five more questions it's

 

0:54:21.119,0:54:23.599

there and I think you've probably got a

 

0:54:22.480,0:54:26.559

couple I think we're going to make this

 

0:54:23.599,0:54:27.960

a part one and part two I think we get

 

0:54:26.559,0:54:29.760

what do you think about this we do a

 

0:54:27.960,0:54:33.200

part one part two on commonly asked

 

0:54:29.760,0:54:34.880

questions about K hunting couldn't we y

 

0:54:33.200,0:54:36.799

hey I do have before we get off here

 

0:54:34.880,0:54:40.319

I've got I've got two questions I want

 

0:54:36.799,0:54:42.440

to ask you okay see what Big Al's answer

 

0:54:40.319,0:54:44.119

is if I ever asked you that if your life

 

0:54:42.440,0:54:47.400

depended on it type

 

0:54:44.119,0:54:49.680

questions well no but I've heard you in

 

0:54:47.400,0:54:51.599

the podcast I'm gonna get you here I and

 

0:54:49.680,0:54:53.880

before I do the life depended on I got

 

0:54:51.599,0:54:55.440

another question here for you okay this

 

0:54:53.880,0:54:57.760

kind of comes up we talking about them

 

0:54:55.440,0:54:59.920

coyotes hung up them Coyotes out there

 

0:54:57.760,0:55:01.880

at that boundary and all this stuff

 

0:54:59.920,0:55:06.359

you've got you've got a coyote hung up

 

0:55:01.880,0:55:11.480

at let's say 700 yards that's

 

0:55:06.359,0:55:13.640

70 long range right 700 yards he's not

 

0:55:11.480,0:55:16.000

coming in you thrown the kitchen sink at

 

0:55:13.640,0:55:18.680

him you've thrown every single Fox PRO

 

0:55:16.000,0:55:20.280

Sound at him you've thrown every mfk

 

0:55:18.680,0:55:22.960

sound at him you can think of you've

 

0:55:20.280,0:55:25.920

even like tried to play alligator

 

0:55:22.960,0:55:27.400

distresses and moose peeing in the water

 

0:55:25.920,0:55:29.240

and all all kinds of all that stuff

 

0:55:27.400,0:55:31.760

we've got on the fox Pro Library he will

 

0:55:29.240,0:55:33.480

not budge I even took my dogs and he's

 

0:55:31.760,0:55:36.119

still ignoring my dog don't do nothing

 

0:55:33.480,0:55:39.039

what is Big Al doing is Al Big Al

 

0:55:36.119,0:55:41.039

leaving that Coy and then going to come

 

0:55:39.039,0:55:44.440

back at a later date and try him again

 

0:55:41.039,0:55:46.119

or is Big Al want to try to lob a shot

 

0:55:44.440,0:55:48.400

in there and see if he can't smoke at

 

0:55:46.119,0:55:51.079

Coy from 700 so this is a real life

 

0:55:48.400,0:55:53.039

situation real life situation are you

 

0:55:51.079,0:55:55.319

are you shooting at this Cy or you going

 

0:55:53.039,0:55:58.000

to get up and try him at a later date so

 

0:55:55.319,0:55:59.760

Doby bat and John bear are my witness

 

0:55:58.000,0:56:03.119

700

 

0:55:59.760,0:56:06.760

696 this Coyote's coming male and a

 

0:56:03.119,0:56:09.400

female I see the female I can see she

 

0:56:06.760,0:56:12.039

has just had a litter they had killed 23

 

0:56:09.400,0:56:13.920

Lambs the night before now it made it

 

0:56:12.039,0:56:16.280

more situational but this was a real

 

0:56:13.920,0:56:18.640

life situation we were on this we knew

 

0:56:16.280,0:56:21.960

these coyotes were killing Lambs by the

 

0:56:18.640,0:56:24.000

20s at night and we worked in there they

 

0:56:21.960,0:56:25.720

the male was coming to the dogs working

 

0:56:24.000,0:56:27.839

the dogs and all of a sudden they just

 

0:56:25.720,0:56:30.640

both of them started leaving and that

 

0:56:27.839,0:56:32.799

female checked up I did not range I did

 

0:56:30.640,0:56:36.079

not know the distance I took that Ruger

 

0:56:32.799,0:56:38.559

22250 and I lobed that 50 grain super

 

0:56:36.079,0:56:41.839

performance right through her heart at

 

0:56:38.559,0:56:43.799

696 and the smart play would have been

 

0:56:41.839,0:56:45.920

to come back and call them another day

 

0:56:43.799,0:56:48.760

the problem was they were losing so many

 

0:56:45.920,0:56:52.680

lambs that I just thought it's now or

 

0:56:48.760,0:56:56.400

never and I I Kentucky

 

0:56:52.680,0:57:00.520

johnin Kentucky windage that 22250 just

 

0:56:56.400,0:57:03.319

like you did out there in uh Arizona in

 

0:57:00.520,0:57:06.839

uh 696 and when John bear when walked

 

0:57:03.319,0:57:09.520

out to that dead female and John ranged

 

0:57:06.839,0:57:10.720

our tripods at 696 he says oh my hell I

 

0:57:09.520,0:57:12.880

can't and he wouldn't tell me the

 

0:57:10.720,0:57:16.920

distance till we got in the truck later

 

0:57:12.880,0:57:18.559

good G that is that is a shot yes sir

 

0:57:16.920,0:57:20.359

let me ask you this what if you ranged

 

0:57:18.559,0:57:21.839

it from that spot say if it's different

 

0:57:20.359,0:57:24.640

situation different stand say this

 

0:57:21.839,0:57:27.799

happens tomorrow say it say you pull out

 

0:57:24.640,0:57:31.039

your little r now let's say if it's 800

 

0:57:27.799,0:57:33.359

yards now the smart play is to uh

 

0:57:31.039,0:57:35.599

reposition another day or two down the

 

0:57:33.359,0:57:37.559

line I didn't ask you I didn't ask you

 

0:57:35.599,0:57:41.480

about the smart thing to do I said what

 

0:57:37.559,0:57:45.119

is Big Al doing Big Al's love I know my

 

0:57:41.480,0:57:46.280

guns I shoot my guns I live it hey when

 

0:57:45.119,0:57:48.960

when there when there's lead in the air

 

0:57:46.280,0:57:50.799

there's danger right when there's lead

 

0:57:48.960,0:57:53.200

in the air there's a prayer you can't

 

0:57:50.799,0:57:55.920

kill every every coyote you never pull

 

0:57:53.200,0:57:58.920

the trigger on is going to live but if

 

0:57:55.920,0:58:00.599

you pull the trigger there's chances

 

0:57:58.920,0:58:05.599

that that Hornady is going to get there

 

0:58:00.599,0:58:07.799

and do its job and for me um I know I'm

 

0:58:05.599,0:58:09.839

GNA call another coyot in the next stand

 

0:58:07.799,0:58:11.039

I'm planning on calling another coyot in

 

0:58:09.839,0:58:14.319

but if I don't pull the trigger I'll

 

0:58:11.039,0:58:19.440

never get him all right I got you in the

 

0:58:14.319,0:58:21.680

helicopter I got you a x24 in your hands

 

0:58:19.440,0:58:24.240

you've got the entire Fox Pro Library

 

0:58:21.680,0:58:26.119

you got the entire mfk Library you got a

 

0:58:24.240,0:58:27.799

full charge on your battery you got

 

0:58:26.119,0:58:29.920

brand new lithium batteries in your

 

0:58:27.799,0:58:32.319

remote I'm dropped you out this

 

0:58:29.920,0:58:33.799

helicopter with a parachute you've

 

0:58:32.319,0:58:37.480

dropping down in

 

0:58:33.799,0:58:39.039

this Wilderness that you know there's no

 

0:58:37.480,0:58:40.520

way you can walk out of it to get the

 

0:58:39.039,0:58:42.160

civilization there's nobody that can

 

0:58:40.520,0:58:44.880

come pick you up there's none of that

 

0:58:42.160,0:58:47.319

stuff what I'm going to do is is I'm

 

0:58:44.880,0:58:49.680

going to I got a big selection of rifles

 

0:58:47.319,0:58:52.160

there you can have any rifle that you

 

0:58:49.680,0:58:54.119

dream up but your choice is you get to

 

0:58:52.160,0:58:56.119

pick a caliber you going grab one of

 

0:58:54.119,0:58:58.760

those rifles in a particular Cali

 

0:58:56.119,0:58:59.720

caliber that you pick to save your life

 

0:58:58.760,0:59:02.720

what's happening is I'm going to hand

 

0:58:59.720,0:59:04.559

you one bullet one Shell One cartridge

 

0:59:02.720,0:59:06.920

here's your bullet Al I'm going to drop

 

0:59:04.559,0:59:09.039

you out of here when you hit the ground

 

0:59:06.920,0:59:11.920

you got to call call up a coyot and get

 

0:59:09.039,0:59:14.760

it killed you got one chance you got one

 

0:59:11.920,0:59:17.000

shot if you do this if you kill that

 

0:59:14.760,0:59:18.400

coyot all you got to do is Radio me back

 

0:59:17.000,0:59:20.760

I'll come right back in here with this

 

0:59:18.400,0:59:22.440

helicopter pick you up and you can live

 

0:59:20.760,0:59:26.440

that the rest of your life right up

 

0:59:22.440,0:59:28.640

there in Utah and call coyes from now to

 

0:59:26.440,0:59:32.039

the end of time and be fat and happy

 

0:59:28.640,0:59:33.839

doing it if not if you call up a coyote

 

0:59:32.039,0:59:35.319

and you shoot him a in the chest cuz

 

0:59:33.839,0:59:37.319

he's probably going to be at 60 yards

 

0:59:35.319,0:59:40.160

knowing it D calling him up close and

 

0:59:37.319,0:59:43.280

then he packs that bullet off he

 

0:59:40.160,0:59:45.200

survives it and runs off and doesn't die

 

0:59:43.280,0:59:48.039

guess what you get to live the rest of

 

0:59:45.200,0:59:50.200

your life out there eating dirt licking

 

0:59:48.039,0:59:53.520

pine sap off the

 

0:59:50.200,0:59:55.520

trees catching amibas to eat to survive

 

0:59:53.520,0:59:57.720

what what caliber is Big Al Morris

 

0:59:55.520,1:00:00.920

taking to if his life depends on it to

 

0:59:57.720,1:00:04.839

kill a Coy what C choice is Al mois

 

1:00:00.920,1:00:07.160

taking I just got it yesterday I just

 

1:00:04.839,1:00:11.079

put together the perfect coyote rig

 

1:00:07.160,1:00:15.559

yesterday John Collins that 65 creedmore

 

1:00:11.079,1:00:19.520

came in in that Ruger Ranch gen two nice

 

1:00:15.559,1:00:22.440

and I I put that luipold vx6 on top of

 

1:00:19.520,1:00:26.200

it I put the hxw works

 

1:00:22.440,1:00:30.200

float 762 on the front of it and I'm

 

1:00:26.200,1:00:33.640

loading it with that ELD VT 100 gra

 

1:00:30.200,1:00:37.839

you're giving me that one 100 grain ELD

 

1:00:33.640,1:00:40.400

VT bullet there is no coyote no wolf no

 

1:00:37.839,1:00:42.880

nothing's going to survive that 100

 

1:00:40.400,1:00:45.280

grain ELD VT I know I could shoot elk

 

1:00:42.880,1:00:46.720

and deer with it too if I had to but you

 

1:00:45.280,1:00:48.160

gave me one cartridge I'm gon to go

 

1:00:46.720,1:00:51.480

shoot a coyote with it and I am going to

 

1:00:48.160,1:00:53.480

call that coyote in to 2030 40 50 60

 

1:00:51.480,1:00:56.280

yards and I don't care whether he's head

 

1:00:53.480,1:00:58.000

on broadside whatever knowing might

 

1:00:56.280,1:01:00.480

depends on it because I don't want to be

 

1:00:58.000,1:01:04.039

killing elk with a knife even though I

 

1:01:00.480,1:01:05.839

have done that one time yeah we ran out

 

1:01:04.039,1:01:09.960

of ammo and I had to kill an elk with a

 

1:01:05.839,1:01:12.400

buck 110 and that's the true story um

 

1:01:09.960,1:01:14.920

John I'm GNA take that 65 Creed more I'm

 

1:01:12.400,1:01:18.720

going to put that ELD VT not the 95

 

1:01:14.920,1:01:21.839

grain uh Vmax in that 65 Creed more it

 

1:01:18.720,1:01:25.559

is total devastation on a coyote I'm not

 

1:01:21.839,1:01:28.400

hid hunting um that ELD VT what I have

 

1:01:25.559,1:01:31.520

the the 10 or so 12 coyotes I've shot

 

1:01:28.400,1:01:34.720

with that e DVT now um it's just

 

1:01:31.520,1:01:37.240

Devastation and that 65 is probably

 

1:01:34.720,1:01:39.319

overkill on a coyote but you know you

 

1:01:37.240,1:01:42.319

got him right I can't wait to shoot the

 

1:01:39.319,1:01:44.599

80 grain El dvts in a six Creed soon as

 

1:01:42.319,1:01:46.520

they make the six Creed Gen 2 I'm I'm

 

1:01:44.599,1:01:48.760

trying to get one of those and I'm going

 

1:01:46.520,1:01:51.880

to have my 243 shooting the 87 grain

 

1:01:48.760,1:01:54.680

Vmax in the gen two Americans but if you

 

1:01:51.880,1:01:58.680

gave me one caliber one bullet I'm gonna

 

1:01:54.680,1:02:01.119

take the 65 that ranch into I'm going to

 

1:01:58.680,1:02:02.839

take it out there with that elvt and and

 

1:02:01.119,1:02:05.640

you will be coming and picking me up

 

1:02:02.839,1:02:09.839

what you're telling me that the uh

 

1:02:05.640,1:02:13.440

2118b and the 17 Remington Fireball and

 

1:02:09.839,1:02:14.880

the 17 HMR and the 22 short didn't cross

 

1:02:13.440,1:02:17.680

your mind that you'd want to take that

 

1:02:14.880,1:02:21.160

to if I was if I was gonna go kill Kit

 

1:02:17.680,1:02:22.319

Fox or gray fox or or red fox you might

 

1:02:21.160,1:02:23.839

as well take you might as well take the

 

1:02:22.319,1:02:27.440

Creed more then

 

1:02:23.839,1:02:32.160

too well it will cut it will cut those

 

1:02:27.440,1:02:34.559

red fox in half dead dead dead yeah but

 

1:02:32.160,1:02:36.520

hey if you put me out there if it's been

 

1:02:34.559,1:02:38.839

a few days I will cut the backstraps out

 

1:02:36.520,1:02:41.480

of that coyote and I will eat them

 

1:02:38.839,1:02:45.279

so Al we appreciate you coming on old

 

1:02:41.480,1:02:47.640

buddy this is part one of commonly asked

 

1:02:45.279,1:02:49.079

coyote questions we get here at Fox Pro

 

1:02:47.640,1:02:51.599

Al you got anything you want to leave us

 

1:02:49.079,1:02:54.039

with no just appreciate all you do John

 

1:02:51.599,1:02:56.200

Collins and we appreciate every single

 

1:02:54.039,1:02:59.599

one of you that tune in and make us the

 

1:02:56.200,1:03:01.480

number one Predator podcast in America

 

1:02:59.599,1:03:03.960

uh John the effort and energy you put

 

1:03:01.480,1:03:06.640

into it all the guys in the office Cody

 

1:03:03.960,1:03:08.359

and and those boys thanks for all you do

 

1:03:06.640,1:03:10.240

and thanks for making Foxboro number one

 

1:03:08.359,1:03:12.599

in the industry ladies and gentlemen we

 

1:03:10.240,1:03:14.160

love you and we love you big al we hope

 

1:03:12.599,1:03:15.799

everyone enjoyed this episode and we

 

1:03:14.160,1:03:19.119

hope you join us again here on the fox

 

1:03:15.799,1:03:19.119

bro podcast