FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Al Morris discuss commonly asked questions that they receive throughout the year.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast this is John
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Collins and on this episode we're
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covering commonly asked questions part
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two and once again we've got Big Al
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Morris on the line what's going on Al
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it's been a couple weeks since I've
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talked to you yeah how you been John
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looks like the turkeys have been
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suffering a little there that's right
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that's uh home state that's how I've
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been I've been been turkey hunting and
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doing lots of it I think ever since this
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is like the second full week of our of
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our season is pretty much coming to an
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end first you know first two weeks of it
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and every single morning I've got up at
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450 in the morning all this past two
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weeks actually the past three weeks
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because I get up every morning the week
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leading up to season to go do a ton of
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scouting you know I'd always want to go
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listen to a couple spots and go look for
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birds so it's been it's been a pretty
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hectic last three weeks
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weeks see and I don't think you know a
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person that's never done that can't
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possibly understand the amount of time
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effort and energy it takes when that
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alarm clock rolls off at 4:15 in the
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morning to roll your butt out of bed
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because I'm just like you I've got a
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really cute girl that I'm sleeping next
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to I don't want to get out of bed at
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4:15 if I don't have to right exactly
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and it's not like I'm getting to bed
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early either because uh I'll go out
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almost every single night and Roost
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turkeys as well or at least go watch
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turkeys to see where they're at late
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today so I have a really good idea where
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they're going to be roosting at for the
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following morning so it's a uh it's a
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ton of work but it's work that I
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absolutely love out uh besides for coyot
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coling turkey coling is one of my great
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passions as well like with you with the
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with the elk coling it's you know that
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time of year I know you always look
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forward to September uh April May you
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know last part of March is always that
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time frame I look really look forward to
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as well and one thing that a lot of
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people don't realize Al is we've got a
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full lineup of turkey calls you know
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we're well-known world renowned for
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electronic game call company but we're a
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lot more than electronic game call
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company we've got a full line of turkey
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calls we've got several different uh
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turkey mouth diaphragm combo packs we
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got a awesome friction call line that
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has U pot calls that with with slate
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Crystal copper and ceram
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and uh we also got a tip over call
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that's glass over slate got glass on top
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and slate on the back side so you can
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work two different services and we also
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offer a box caller too so we have got
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and these are phenomenal calls people
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these are world world class calls I mean
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you you can't get any better and and we
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did that with the alkaline too we've got
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some ALC calls floating around out there
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that are world class I I I I use them in
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the world out calling championships and
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and uh people can buy that fox Pro hand
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call whether it's
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coyotes so we're going to I'm going to
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get Mike Dylan to bring the El calls
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back it's just going to take me some
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work the El calls you never know might
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be hitting the market again sometime but
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we do have the turkey calls right now
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and I'll put them up against anybody I
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don't care what company you name I'll
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put them up against them and another
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thing Al we've got a full line of hand
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calls for Predators as well we've got
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open reads we got closed reads we got
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mouth diaphragms for for prey distress
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and Hower diaphragms they they're great
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calls that often
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overlooked oh yeah no they they're great
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versatile calls all of them so well
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let's get right to the podcast what
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everybody's here to listen to anyway we
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got a string of questions here we
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covered some on the last podcast part
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one of commonly asked questions we get
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here at Fox Pro uh whether it comes into
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the fox Pro page into my personal uh
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page accounts text messages all that
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stuff and SS as well but the first one I
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want to cover we see this a lot we see
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this a lot on the fox Pro page it's very
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simple but we often get what's the best
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sound to use to call in CS we get that a
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lot just hey tell me what your best
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sound is you got on the library what you
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think what's the answer it's it's a you
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know that is the 96 you know that that
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that ultimate question um what sound is
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going to bring that coyote
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in and I tell everybody there's five
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reasons a ky will come the First on that
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list of best sounds is they're going to
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come because they're hungry I mean the
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first thing I think of in the day is
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gonna give me a drink and I'm thinking
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about what I'm going to eat for
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breakfast and I really think when a
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coyot gets up and stretches after that
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night's sleep if he didn't hunt all
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night um he's thinking about what he's
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going to eat so when I talk about the
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best sound that I think a person can
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and I really think the first stand of
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the morning the first stand of daylight
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now you night Hunters I really think
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this transpose is over that as soon as
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those coyotes even think about starting
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to get up now you guys have seen it as
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you hunt all night there's activity
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periods that the coyotes seem to be
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moving and then they seem to just shut
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down and I think those shutdown periods
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are when the coyotes are resting So when
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you say best sound what's the first best
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sound I'm going to go for I'm going to
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find that
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one thing that they want to eat and so
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if coyotes are going to come because
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they're hungry they're going to come
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because they're curious during breeding
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season they're going to breed and during
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pup season they're um going to protect
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their pups and then
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they're protect their areas very
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territorial so one of those five reasons
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that a coyot will come to is going to be
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one of those sounds that is going to
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become your best sound at at that
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particular time of the year but I seem
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to always start no matter where I go day
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night doesn't matter 3 247
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365 I seem to always start with their
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stomachs and maybe it's just because I
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always start with with mine and I always
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want to know where surely
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not no I mean you know what I mean I
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know exactly what you mean I I I'm just
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I it's
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hard me to drive by a uh
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uh a waffle house it's hard for me to go
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buy a uh a place that I really like to
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eat at and uh I really think a kyote is
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thinking the same thing I really I don't
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think they put a lot of thought into it
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but I think when they hear a dying
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rabbit when they hear nutty nut hatch
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and they're they're stretching they're
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they might have just woke up they might
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just be laying there doing nothing and
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they hear nutty nut hatch or that uh
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Cottontail distress that jack rabbit
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distress
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I think they honestly cannot say no it's
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it's
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uh it's
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just it's where I start on best sounds
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right so when somebody don't over what I
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guess what I want to say is don't
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overthink it they're they're not
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everybody wants to make coyotes
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extremely intelligent smart I I think
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they're opposite of that in some cases I
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think they've got really good legs they
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can cover the country they've got ex the
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best noses in the business they got eyes
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that can see for a mile or two and they
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got the ears that can pick up the
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minutest sound through three feet of
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snow you know so I really think that
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people overthink the best sound for
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coyotes but I always seem to start with
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the prey distress when I get to a new
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area in Vermont the first time I ever
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hunted Vermont i' never hunted Eastern
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coyotes I've never even uh I'm just a
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kid from Utah i' never been to Vermont
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and I started out with playing distress
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and I found out I hit The Struggle Bus
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pretty hard and so the next best sound I
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come to is okay uh what time of year it
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is and that really determines whether I
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go straight into the pup distress the
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pup fights the major fights or the uh
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curiosity sounds
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the odd sounds and uh but day in day out
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your best sound I think always starts I
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I i' um I've got a sequence that I play
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247 365 day night doesn't
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matter I think coyotes the second reason
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coyotes will fire on a sound is their
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territorial nature so if you can play
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those single lone non-aggressive house
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and that's that you know that little B
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whimper pup how that uh um
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Boon that mfk Boon how I think uh female
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Sora female Sor how is getting a little
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more aggressive um C5 young coyot how
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from Fox Pro is a non-aggressive coyot
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how yeah totally agree so if I if I make
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a uh if I make a stand and I fire off
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let's say we me and you go hunting
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somewhere and I don't care where it is I
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don't care if it's Kansas I don't care
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whether it's Missouri I don't care
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whether it's Kentucky I don't care
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whether it's Vermont I don't care
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whether it's California the first thing
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I'm going to probably play is single
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loone house
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and I'm just going to do two two or
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three single loone hows and I'm going to
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sit in silence the very next sound I'm
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going to go to is some kind of some kind
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of distress now if I think the rabbit
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has been overplayed or I think it's
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getting late in the season I think those
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coyotes have heard everything I might go
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to a different an odd type of distress
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to get that Curiosity a cylinder firing
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but day and day out I'll play single
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loone house I then will go to some type
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of distress and then the next the Third
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thir sequence I'll go to in a sound
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library is the pup fights the pup and
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pup distresses and that third and fourth
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sequence I'll go to and I'm going to get
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a reaction um coyote 314 pup pie we call
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it um I really don't understand why I'm
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getting the dramatic reactions
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throughout the year that I get with pup
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314 it is just it is a pup it is a pup
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in distress it is a pup crying out for
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attention or I think it's a pup crying
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out because it's getting chewed on um
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there's a myriad of reasons uh only
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Steve Dylan knows what that c was going
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through when he recorded that sound but
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it is a magic sound a Nutty nut pup
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uh yeah the tent Town P the tent Town
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pups the list goes on and but there I
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think one of the biggest point I agree
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with you everything you said I I think
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one of the biggest points to tell people
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when we get this type of question is
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what's the best sound to use to call in
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couch you know they're like they're
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always looking for that magical sound
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and you know on any given day it can be
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any given sound I mean there's a reason
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we have hundreds of sounds in our
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library because I have seen it switch
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daily hunting the same Ranch yeah you
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know one day they're they're firing on a
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certain pup distress sound one day
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they're showing up to the house you know
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or have to do the single loan house I
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know if I'll just play the rabbit
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they'll come and that's why you see
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those comments play the rabbit because I
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really think coyotes are they really
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spend a lot of time they when you think
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about the calorie intake that a coyote
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must
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keep in certain times of the years when
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they start to grow that hair we've
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talked about it a little before when
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they when they're trying to put that
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coat on they really go through a lot of
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calories that September October November
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time frame they know it's going to get
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cold that hair is going to grow an inch
0:12:01.519,0:12:07.200
and a half two three inches you know and
0:12:04.639,0:12:11.200
that takes a lot of calories to do it
0:12:07.200,0:12:13.800
yep and uh that that that time frame
0:12:11.200,0:12:15.600
they really seem the key on the rabbit
0:12:13.800,0:12:17.279
that's why people say play the rabit
0:12:15.600,0:12:20.480
well you know it's just it's just going
0:12:17.279,0:12:22.440
right off that out I think certain all
0:12:20.480,0:12:25.199
every sound in our library will call in
0:12:22.440,0:12:28.040
a coyote or coyotes on any given day
0:12:25.199,0:12:31.199
throughout the year but there is certain
0:12:28.040,0:12:34.040
sounds certain categories of sounds that
0:12:31.199,0:12:36.600
definitely shine more bright more
0:12:34.040,0:12:37.839
brighter in um different times of year
0:12:36.600,0:12:39.639
just like what you're talking about when
0:12:37.839,0:12:41.120
they've got to be building that coat
0:12:39.639,0:12:43.519
when they've got to be packing on the
0:12:41.120,0:12:46.680
calories for the breeding season or
0:12:43.519,0:12:49.920
Denon pups or or whatever it is cold
0:12:46.680,0:12:51.920
weather coming the the the pre distress
0:12:49.920,0:12:54.320
sounds are going to be your top Target
0:12:51.920,0:12:56.720
it's just like right now all across the
0:12:54.320,0:12:58.720
country we've either got pups in the
0:12:56.720,0:13:00.880
ground or they're fixing to be in the
0:12:58.720,0:13:03.279
ground and maybe some places there's
0:13:00.880,0:13:06.120
some already coming out of the dens and
0:13:03.279,0:13:08.360
guess what those little bitty tiny early
0:13:06.120,0:13:11.839
week puppy sounds or guess what they
0:13:08.360,0:13:14.000
gonna be pretty St Gonna Shine yeah and
0:13:11.839,0:13:15.720
and and so you got to be situ
0:13:14.000,0:13:19.720
situational awareness with the time of
0:13:15.720,0:13:21.600
year but if you think about it from you
0:13:19.720,0:13:23.279
know and I tell everybody we've we've
0:13:21.600,0:13:24.959
talked about this before you can Bas the
0:13:23.279,0:13:27.519
entire year of Kyo calling around that
0:13:24.959,0:13:29.639
one event breeding season and then 62
0:13:27.519,0:13:31.839
days later pups are in the dirt
0:13:29.639,0:13:34.959
and then 60 days later pups are out of
0:13:31.839,0:13:37.399
the den you know uh messing around and
0:13:34.959,0:13:39.880
so then you can modify to the pup fights
0:13:37.399,0:13:44.279
the pup distress is really shine but
0:13:39.880,0:13:47.399
guess what year round 247 365 coyotes
0:13:44.279,0:13:50.279
are going to eat that's right and so if
0:13:47.399,0:13:53.000
if you'll modify your thinking around
0:13:50.279,0:13:55.880
their eating
0:13:53.000,0:13:59.839
and you know where they want to be when
0:13:55.880,0:14:01.759
they want to be there um it's just
0:13:59.839,0:14:04.720
it it'll change the way you think about
0:14:01.759,0:14:06.680
how you call and and if you're in an
0:14:04.720,0:14:10.199
area that you think has been beat up
0:14:06.680,0:14:13.040
totally thrashed with a certain prey
0:14:10.199,0:14:16.040
distress modify it go to the odd
0:14:13.040,0:14:18.279
distresses the kitten distresses the the
0:14:16.040,0:14:20.800
porcupine distresses the prairie dog
0:14:18.279,0:14:22.839
I've I've watched you and heard you play
0:14:20.800,0:14:24.480
prairie dog many times and cows just
0:14:22.839,0:14:26.519
tripping over theirselves to get to the
0:14:24.480,0:14:28.720
call so and there probably isn't any
0:14:26.519,0:14:29.680
prairie dogs around might not be might
0:14:28.720,0:14:32.600
not be
0:14:29.680,0:14:34.279
but you know I think it's a it doesn't
0:14:32.600,0:14:37.240
have to be an endemic species to the
0:14:34.279,0:14:39.160
area exactly work exactly so let's um
0:14:37.240,0:14:42.240
let's sum this first question up here
0:14:39.160,0:14:43.639
just just real quick you know like I
0:14:42.240,0:14:45.600
said earli there's a reason why we've
0:14:43.639,0:14:46.800
got hundreds of sounds in our library
0:14:45.600,0:14:49.199
I'm not telling you go out there and buy
0:14:46.800,0:14:51.360
every single sound hey if you want to go
0:14:49.199,0:14:53.560
ahead but there's reasons we've got so
0:14:51.360,0:14:56.720
many different sounds because any given
0:14:53.560,0:14:59.360
sound can be the best K the best sound
0:14:56.720,0:15:02.600
to call coyot on any given day now to
0:14:59.360,0:15:04.720
sum this up Al let's let's say I'm
0:15:02.600,0:15:06.440
taking your hand calls away from you you
0:15:04.720,0:15:09.360
can't use no open reads can't use no
0:15:06.440,0:15:12.000
closed reads you can't use no diaphragms
0:15:09.360,0:15:14.519
you cannot use any kind of hand or mouth
0:15:12.000,0:15:17.160
operated call I'm giving you a
0:15:14.519,0:15:20.120
x24 yes sir and you get one sound on it
0:15:17.160,0:15:21.720
to kill coyotes in 2024 what one sound
0:15:20.120,0:15:24.120
are you putting on there let's just say
0:15:21.720,0:15:25.639
if there was that one magical sound one
0:15:24.120,0:15:27.519
sound that you got to make sure you've
0:15:25.639,0:15:30.240
got on your call to make sure you can
0:15:27.519,0:15:32.399
kill coyotes in 202 24 and only one
0:15:30.240,0:15:35.040
sound what is
0:15:32.399,0:15:37.720
it you know I'm going to have to pick
0:15:35.040,0:15:40.560
the one rabbit but damn you're you're
0:15:37.720,0:15:44.680
making that hard on me I mean it's a to
0:15:40.560,0:15:47.880
it's a tossup between um baby Jack or
0:15:44.680,0:15:51.160
Mrs MC Cotton Tail I take one of and and
0:15:47.880,0:15:53.759
and maybe and maybe you throw in there
0:15:51.160,0:15:56.800
KY Cotton Tail one of that C's hard to
0:15:53.759,0:15:58.600
beat that when it's when it's on it is
0:15:56.800,0:16:00.480
on you just push you know I'd probably
0:15:58.600,0:16:02.800
just take kg Cotton Tail I'm going to
0:16:00.480,0:16:04.880
kill coyotes from California to Vermont
0:16:02.800,0:16:07.199
Texas to Alberta Canada and if there's
0:16:04.880,0:16:10.880
any Bobcats are in man they cannot
0:16:07.199,0:16:11.759
resist it no it's that one it's the it's
0:16:10.880,0:16:14.279
the
0:16:11.759,0:16:16.759
McDonald's um you know I don't like to
0:16:14.279,0:16:18.839
drive by a Cracker Barrel I really you
0:16:16.759,0:16:21.800
know I think it's the Cracker Barrel of
0:16:18.839,0:16:24.079
the of the the distress sound and if
0:16:21.800,0:16:27.160
there's one sound I probably overplay is
0:16:24.079,0:16:29.839
going to be kg Cotton Tail because I've
0:16:27.160,0:16:32.000
called so many animals in to you know
0:16:29.839,0:16:34.000
into range with it it's just one of I
0:16:32.000,0:16:35.519
think it's the best I tell you I think
0:16:34.000,0:16:37.959
it's the best bra stress sound ever
0:16:35.519,0:16:40.000
recorded I really do I I have that
0:16:37.959,0:16:42.519
confidence though in baby Jack I have
0:16:40.000,0:16:45.120
that confidence in Mrs mcconell yep I
0:16:42.519,0:16:48.319
really do and then if I'm going west if
0:16:45.120,0:16:51.279
if you said I can only hunt the Kansas
0:16:48.319,0:16:53.319
West I would take Lightning Jack still
0:16:51.279,0:16:55.560
to this day everybody thinks that
0:16:53.319,0:16:58.240
lightning Jack's an older sound and it's
0:16:55.560,0:17:00.079
it's its time has come I have I have
0:16:58.240,0:17:02.279
been playing Lightning Jack the last
0:17:00.079,0:17:04.240
couple years than I have in in the
0:17:02.279,0:17:07.319
previous two years before that and I'm
0:17:04.240,0:17:09.240
still that is a producing sound also
0:17:07.319,0:17:11.720
awesome stuff let's move on to question
0:17:09.240,0:17:14.679
number two here this is another kind of
0:17:11.720,0:17:17.000
just a simple one you know I think that
0:17:14.679,0:17:19.039
what's the best sound to use for kyot
0:17:17.000,0:17:20.959
Colin is is very simple here's the next
0:17:19.039,0:17:23.600
one but we get it so often it's usually
0:17:20.959,0:17:25.520
from new Hunters uh guys that struggle a
0:17:23.600,0:17:26.880
little bit and you know everybody goes
0:17:25.520,0:17:29.200
through that so it's no big deal that's
0:17:26.880,0:17:32.600
the reason we do this podcast but number
0:17:29.200,0:17:34.280
two is what's we get this all the time I
0:17:32.600,0:17:36.520
get this on personal pages I guarantee
0:17:34.280,0:17:41.039
you Al's got it we get it on Fox Pro
0:17:36.520,0:17:43.520
Pages what's the best time of day or
0:17:41.039,0:17:45.840
best time of night to go call coyot to
0:17:43.520,0:17:45.840
see
0:17:47.000,0:17:52.520
production that's a you
0:17:49.520,0:17:55.400
know I've always said you've seen me on
0:17:52.520,0:17:57.679
every video I've ever the my favorite
0:17:55.400,0:17:59.600
stand of the day is the first stand of
0:17:57.679,0:18:02.799
the day my second favorite stand of the
0:17:59.600,0:18:05.919
day is The Last Stand of the day yep and
0:18:02.799,0:18:09.960
that contest calling really really
0:18:05.919,0:18:12.760
really really uh showed me how important
0:18:09.960,0:18:16.760
the first stand is and and I'll give you
0:18:12.760,0:18:20.840
an example um we we opened up a world
0:18:16.760,0:18:23.480
championship one year um Garvin young
0:18:20.840,0:18:26.400
I'm sitting 70 yards directly
0:18:23.480,0:18:29.480
downwind um it's a famous stand for me
0:18:26.400,0:18:31.159
and Garvin because uh at 5: in the
0:18:29.480,0:18:34.080
morning you know Sun's going to come up
0:18:31.159,0:18:37.320
at 7:00 a.m. out there we're in New
0:18:34.080,0:18:39.400
Mexico I uh it's the world championship
0:18:37.320,0:18:41.400
I can't remember which one it had to be
0:18:39.400,0:18:42.840
2007 it was probably the year we took
0:18:41.400,0:18:45.159
our second world
0:18:42.840,0:18:47.400
championship and I'm leaning over at
0:18:45.159,0:18:49.440
5:00 a.m. we woke up at 5: it's a couple
0:18:47.400,0:18:51.400
hours yet to go but we're sitting right
0:18:49.440,0:18:55.799
where we want to make our first stand we
0:18:51.400,0:18:58.919
drove in uh about 2: a.m. got about 3
0:18:55.799,0:19:01.039
hours of sleep I wake up gar gar an
0:18:58.919,0:19:02.520
early riser just has to be wants
0:19:01.039,0:19:04.960
everything ready he'd rather sit there
0:19:02.520,0:19:08.080
30 minutes and not make any noise than
0:19:04.960,0:19:10.880
than than not and I lean over to put my
0:19:08.080,0:19:15.679
boots on and we're we're we're crammed
0:19:10.880,0:19:19.039
in a t00 Toyota fully camed and I lean
0:19:15.679,0:19:20.880
up and my chest hits the horn oh no on
0:19:19.039,0:19:25.720
the oh
0:19:20.880,0:19:27.760
yeah I bet gar love Dad oh he had I mean
0:19:25.720,0:19:31.080
he looks at me and goes what in the hell
0:19:27.760,0:19:32.640
are you doing and I just hked the horn
0:19:31.080,0:19:35.520
he was ready to Waller your big butt in
0:19:32.640,0:19:38.080
a sage was oh yeah he's like we've been
0:19:35.520,0:19:40.840
sitting here it's perfect and you honk
0:19:38.080,0:19:43.440
the horn I'm like dude I didn't even
0:19:40.840,0:19:45.640
think it I didn't think it would you
0:19:43.440,0:19:48.120
know go off and I because I'd leaned
0:19:45.640,0:19:50.840
over to tie a boot and
0:19:48.120,0:19:53.200
uh and I looked I said do you want to go
0:19:50.840,0:19:55.240
to St 2 he goes heck no we saw that we
0:19:53.200,0:19:57.919
saw four coyotes here just we drove
0:19:55.240,0:20:00.039
right by we when scouting we had drove
0:19:57.919,0:20:02.080
by these four coyotes and they let us
0:20:00.039,0:20:03.280
drive 10 ft from them and they just
0:20:02.080,0:20:04.600
stood there and looked at us I rolled
0:20:03.280,0:20:06.880
the window down and started talking to
0:20:04.600,0:20:09.159
them and they didn't run you know so
0:20:06.880,0:20:11.200
they're really these kyotes had never
0:20:09.159,0:20:13.000
seen a human being I don't think and
0:20:11.200,0:20:15.919
they weren't scared of a truck probably
0:20:13.000,0:20:18.200
don't know what a truck horn is then
0:20:15.919,0:20:20.400
yeah well or hopefully tails and I
0:20:18.200,0:20:22.679
looked at gar I said do you think we
0:20:20.400,0:20:25.840
need to uh go to St 2 he goes heck no we
0:20:22.679,0:20:27.799
saw those four coyotes here and so
0:20:25.840,0:20:30.480
luckily it was two hours before light we
0:20:27.799,0:20:32.240
get dressed there 30 minutes 30 minutes
0:20:30.480,0:20:34.720
before light about 6:30 we get out of
0:20:32.240,0:20:38.520
the truck Garvin goes up we didn't have
0:20:34.720,0:20:42.480
electronic callers back then in in 97 or
0:20:38.520,0:20:44.440
in ' 07 um all we had was a Johnny
0:20:42.480,0:20:45.880
Stewart tape player for locating you
0:20:44.440,0:20:49.280
know when we drive around at night and
0:20:45.880,0:20:52.840
locate we talk about that but um we went
0:20:49.280,0:20:55.039
out there Garin sits down I'm down he
0:20:52.840,0:20:56.480
when he can see through his scope it's
0:20:55.039,0:20:58.120
about 10 minutes to seven five minutes
0:20:56.480,0:20:59.159
to seven whatever it was he gives me the
0:20:58.120,0:21:00.720
thumbs up
0:20:59.159,0:21:03.039
I remember Garin putting that call to
0:21:00.720,0:21:06.400
his lips and
0:21:03.039,0:21:09.480
going and he stops calling I'm like what
0:21:06.400,0:21:12.080
the heck and I see this I see this dark
0:21:09.480,0:21:16.480
figure running at him and it's a coyote
0:21:12.080,0:21:19.279
and he shoots him at 10 12 yards awesome
0:21:16.480,0:21:23.320
he didn't even get the second series of
0:21:19.279,0:21:25.200
w out of his hand call and he shoots and
0:21:23.320,0:21:26.520
the shotgun I remember the Flames going
0:21:25.200,0:21:29.080
out the end of that Barrel on his
0:21:26.520,0:21:32.200
shotgun singed the hair right off of
0:21:29.080,0:21:35.480
that coyote starts doing a distress I
0:21:32.200,0:21:38.400
mean a what had happened is is Garvin
0:21:35.480,0:21:40.159
had shattered all four legs and and
0:21:38.400,0:21:41.600
didn't get pellets into the body as much
0:21:40.159,0:21:43.440
as he just shattered all the legs on
0:21:41.600,0:21:45.720
that coyote that coyote is just
0:21:43.440,0:21:49.080
screaming and all of a sudden another
0:21:45.720,0:21:52.720
coyote comes from my right screaming up
0:21:49.080,0:21:55.240
smells Garvin turns and runs straight to
0:21:52.720,0:21:57.200
me 70 you know from 70 yards runs right
0:21:55.240,0:21:59.720
to me and I shoot him at 15 yards with
0:21:57.200,0:22:03.799
my shotgun awesome so we hadn't been
0:21:59.720,0:22:05.799
there 30 seconds done shotgun a double
0:22:03.799,0:22:07.720
we shoot yeah get that double and then
0:22:05.799,0:22:11.679
Garvin gets back on the hand call I
0:22:07.720,0:22:14.320
rifle another one and we kill a triple
0:22:11.679,0:22:16.320
um just playing the distress first stand
0:22:14.320,0:22:18.360
in the morning and it's amazing to me
0:22:16.320,0:22:21.640
through all those contest years the 22
0:22:18.360,0:22:25.039
years 24 years we've hunted that contest
0:22:21.640,0:22:28.279
how important and how many multiples we
0:22:25.039,0:22:30.919
killed on the first thing so the best
0:22:28.279,0:22:33.760
time of the day without a shadow of a
0:22:30.919,0:22:35.679
doubt in my humble you know the four
0:22:33.760,0:22:38.159
World Championships we won we won
0:22:35.679,0:22:40.520
because we always crushed triples or
0:22:38.159,0:22:43.000
doubles or singles on that first stand
0:22:40.520,0:22:45.960
yep awesome awesome it's yeah I mean I
0:22:43.000,0:22:47.720
think everybody lives for that first
0:22:45.960,0:22:49.159
stand I mean you know especially the
0:22:47.720,0:22:50.600
first stand in the morning you know why
0:22:49.159,0:22:52.320
are you making the first stand it's
0:22:50.600,0:22:54.279
usually one of your best stand right you
0:22:52.320,0:22:56.400
know of the day whatever you guys and
0:22:54.279,0:22:59.919
that stand just before dark until the
0:22:56.400,0:23:01.679
last Light was hung we always didn't
0:22:59.919,0:23:03.880
matter how bad a day we were having how
0:23:01.679,0:23:06.360
good a day we were having we always hung
0:23:03.880,0:23:08.279
on to that last stand when you could
0:23:06.360,0:23:10.360
barely see the sun's going down
0:23:08.279,0:23:12.159
everything's lit up those coyotes get
0:23:10.360,0:23:14.520
back on their feet especially in the
0:23:12.159,0:23:16.080
southwestern United States they got back
0:23:14.520,0:23:18.400
on their feet because the temperatures
0:23:16.080,0:23:20.360
were cooling Y and it was time to go
0:23:18.400,0:23:22.480
hunt for a little while until they laid
0:23:20.360,0:23:24.159
down and I really know and I really
0:23:22.480,0:23:26.480
think night Hunters can use that to your
0:23:24.159,0:23:29.039
advantage I really think you need to be
0:23:26.480,0:23:31.760
there as it's getting dark and hunt
0:23:29.039,0:23:34.200
the two or three hours right after the
0:23:31.760,0:23:37.000
sun goes down and I really think you n
0:23:34.200,0:23:39.120
Hunters need to be there that hour two
0:23:37.000,0:23:41.120
hours before the sun comes up that could
0:23:39.120,0:23:43.039
be a critical hour that those coyotes
0:23:41.120,0:23:44.559
are hungry they're going to get on their
0:23:43.039,0:23:46.440
feet and they're going to move and if
0:23:44.559,0:23:47.840
you'll night hunters will use that to
0:23:46.440,0:23:49.880
your advantage you'll put more fur in
0:23:47.840,0:23:52.159
the truck I know you will yeah you know
0:23:49.880,0:23:53.559
I do it for for daytime hunting you know
0:23:52.159,0:23:56.000
what I usually tell people when I get
0:23:53.559,0:23:58.679
that question is yeah you know that
0:23:56.000,0:24:00.760
firstand yes of course uh but I usually
0:23:58.679,0:24:03.400
tell them I like that first 2 and 1/2 3
0:24:00.760,0:24:05.200
hours of daylight and I like the last 45
0:24:03.400,0:24:07.360
minutes of light you know that Sunset
0:24:05.200,0:24:10.080
stand I usually like making that Sunset
0:24:07.360,0:24:11.760
I use my Sunset stand is usually longer
0:24:10.080,0:24:14.279
I usually like making My Last Stand of
0:24:11.760,0:24:15.679
the day 15 minutes before Sunset you
0:24:14.279,0:24:17.120
know to make sure you got time for those
0:24:15.679,0:24:19.760
cows to get to you before it gets too
0:24:17.120,0:24:22.520
dark type thing but uh I tell you one
0:24:19.760,0:24:24.799
thing in the East especially on morning
0:24:22.520,0:24:28.159
stands and especially if you're hunting
0:24:24.799,0:24:30.360
uh uh dinning season coats one thing I
0:24:28.159,0:24:34.120
have found here CU usually we're
0:24:30.360,0:24:36.120
concentrating on on where coyotes are
0:24:34.120,0:24:38.360
from being from scouting them okay you
0:24:36.120,0:24:40.159
know I've got like a d site located or
0:24:38.360,0:24:43.039
whatever so I'm concentrating on this
0:24:40.159,0:24:45.240
one pocket where I pretty sure there is
0:24:43.039,0:24:47.360
a c you know it's not like the Western
0:24:45.240,0:24:49.760
stuff where you where a cow can be in
0:24:47.360,0:24:52.399
any direction you know what I mean uh
0:24:49.760,0:24:54.399
right sometimes I have found that my
0:24:52.399,0:24:57.840
second stand is the most productive and
0:24:54.399,0:25:00.360
I tell you why I think that CU I think
0:24:57.840,0:25:03.240
sometimes make certain stands during
0:25:00.360,0:25:05.440
that dinning season too early and what
0:25:03.240,0:25:07.399
I'm saying by that is I don't think
0:25:05.440,0:25:10.840
those coyote they're still on their feet
0:25:07.399,0:25:13.000
out hunting being a coyote and I went in
0:25:10.840,0:25:15.000
there and made that stand too early and
0:25:13.000,0:25:18.039
they were too far off for me to call
0:25:15.000,0:25:19.799
them in they weren't back home yet see
0:25:18.039,0:25:22.200
they didn't hear you yeah yeah they they
0:25:19.799,0:25:24.919
were on the neighbors three miles away
0:25:22.200,0:25:26.919
so sometimes that second third stand is
0:25:24.919,0:25:28.799
the best stand of of the day for me
0:25:26.919,0:25:31.360
during that certain time of year but
0:25:28.799,0:25:33.840
from from January 1 through December
0:25:31.360,0:25:35.399
31st what I usually tell people those I
0:25:33.840,0:25:37.360
like those first 2 and a half three
0:25:35.399,0:25:39.760
hours of daylight and the last 45
0:25:37.360,0:25:42.320
minutes a like for daytime calling well
0:25:39.760,0:25:44.480
now what you just said is critical for
0:25:42.320,0:25:47.120
beginners and and guys that are into it
0:25:44.480,0:25:49.200
but don't understand I that's a common
0:25:47.120,0:25:51.080
question is man I've been calling and I
0:25:49.200,0:25:52.760
just haven't had success well if you're
0:25:51.080,0:25:54.000
calling and you're putting out these
0:25:52.760,0:25:56.279
good sounds and you're not seeing
0:25:54.000,0:25:57.799
coyotes they're not there exactly if
0:25:56.279,0:25:59.760
you've done everything right and there's
0:25:57.799,0:26:02.399
not you know and of course you question
0:25:59.760,0:26:04.039
yourself you know am I right but if
0:26:02.399,0:26:06.720
you're if you're playing right type of
0:26:04.039,0:26:09.640
sounds you know and you you're approach
0:26:06.720,0:26:12.240
is is way it needs to be and and you
0:26:09.640,0:26:14.799
know nothing smelling you the KY wasn't
0:26:12.240,0:26:16.919
there no and it's so that's an important
0:26:14.799,0:26:20.159
thing you just said is because people
0:26:16.919,0:26:21.720
say I I just I I know they're there I
0:26:20.159,0:26:22.919
they see the tracks They saw them during
0:26:21.720,0:26:25.080
the bow hunt when they were in their
0:26:22.919,0:26:26.320
tree STS they they know coyotes live
0:26:25.080,0:26:27.679
there but then they're not calling them
0:26:26.320,0:26:30.799
in I think it's really because the
0:26:27.679,0:26:33.120
coyotes just simply are not there they
0:26:30.799,0:26:35.840
didn't and when I don't call a coyote
0:26:33.120,0:26:38.960
and I don't think I have uh failed I
0:26:35.840,0:26:40.559
think what I've uh what I've learned is
0:26:38.960,0:26:42.720
the coyot wasn't there when I was there
0:26:40.559,0:26:44.799
well just you know you going off that
0:26:42.720,0:26:46.399
what happens is like during those summer
0:26:44.799,0:26:49.960
months those dining season months where
0:26:46.399,0:26:52.279
I do have D you know areas located where
0:26:49.960,0:26:53.840
I've located KS if I make that stand
0:26:52.279,0:26:56.440
first time first thing in the morning I
0:26:53.840,0:26:58.880
don't call kyotes up you know I might
0:26:56.440,0:27:00.760
come in there maybe give it a rest for a
0:26:58.880,0:27:02.840
week and then come back in the following
0:27:00.760,0:27:04.679
week instead of making it making that
0:27:02.840,0:27:06.600
stand the first stand of the day I'll
0:27:04.679,0:27:08.080
call it the second or third stand you
0:27:06.600,0:27:10.000
know just because I've got that in my
0:27:08.080,0:27:12.000
mind that maybe hey they wasn't back at
0:27:10.000,0:27:14.000
their home yet go make it for the third
0:27:12.000,0:27:16.480
stand in the morning boom kill a double
0:27:14.000,0:27:18.720
or a triple or you know that single
0:27:16.480,0:27:21.799
whatever it is I've seen it work out
0:27:18.720,0:27:23.520
that way many times here in the East so
0:27:21.799,0:27:24.919
I know these guys one of the questions I
0:27:23.520,0:27:26.720
get all the time John is how do you
0:27:24.919,0:27:30.120
Scout for KS how does John Collins how
0:27:26.720,0:27:32.200
do you go Scout us John great great
0:27:30.120,0:27:33.760
question I do and of course this was on
0:27:32.200,0:27:35.880
my list as well me and Al actually
0:27:33.760,0:27:38.240
mentioned that before when we got on the
0:27:35.880,0:27:39.840
phone he said do we talk about scouting
0:27:38.240,0:27:41.360
and as one of the questions I I said I
0:27:39.840,0:27:43.159
don't think we did last time and I
0:27:41.360,0:27:46.279
actually had this down here just like Al
0:27:43.159,0:27:49.960
said how do you find coyes to hunt it
0:27:46.279,0:27:52.679
all comes down to scouting and things I
0:27:49.960,0:27:55.480
think there's different ways of scouting
0:27:52.679,0:27:57.080
uh that um you know there's I don't
0:27:55.480,0:27:59.559
really think there's no wrong way to
0:27:57.080,0:28:01.519
scout for coyes there's many right ways
0:27:59.559,0:28:04.000
to scout for coyes and I think it can
0:28:01.519,0:28:06.840
you have different tactics from state to
0:28:04.000,0:28:08.120
state region to region uh I probably do
0:28:06.840,0:28:10.640
most of my
0:28:08.120,0:28:12.799
scouting uh I like to locate Couts in
0:28:10.640,0:28:15.039
the summertime for here in the East we
0:28:12.799,0:28:16.799
don't have the cout numbers some other
0:28:15.039,0:28:18.440
states have and if I want to kill
0:28:16.799,0:28:21.159
numbers of Couts you got to do some
0:28:18.440,0:28:23.679
scouting so I like I like to how to
0:28:21.159,0:28:25.399
locate Couts at night I go out right
0:28:23.679,0:28:27.120
after the sun goes down and I like to
0:28:25.399,0:28:29.200
locate from the road I don't want to go
0:28:27.120,0:28:32.600
into a property to to how cuz I don't
0:28:29.200,0:28:35.240
want these cows to come to me right so
0:28:32.600,0:28:37.480
I'll do that and I'll start marking spot
0:28:35.240,0:28:40.080
the Insight or where I've located Couts
0:28:37.480,0:28:41.960
on my onx maps uh other ways I like to
0:28:40.080,0:28:44.279
scout I get out and look for tracks look
0:28:41.960,0:28:45.519
for scat Drive roads see where Couts of
0:28:44.279,0:28:47.159
Crossroads you know every time I don't
0:28:45.519,0:28:48.720
know what it is anytime their feet touch
0:28:47.159,0:28:50.159
black top or gravel seems like they got
0:28:48.720,0:28:52.120
to drop a turd I don't know what the
0:28:50.159,0:28:53.240
deal is with that but I look for that
0:28:52.120,0:28:55.519
you know what I'm talking about don't
0:28:53.240,0:28:57.880
you oh yeah and then you know other
0:28:55.519,0:29:00.200
things I do back home is I'm hunting a
0:28:57.880,0:29:02.640
lot of farm country a lot of different
0:29:00.200,0:29:05.360
land owners it's more small parcel stuff
0:29:02.640,0:29:08.840
anywhere from 60 Acres to these 150 Acre
0:29:05.360,0:29:10.279
farms and some 300 four 500 acre places
0:29:08.840,0:29:11.760
but what I really like to do here at
0:29:10.279,0:29:14.640
home is I want to talk to the land
0:29:11.760,0:29:16.480
owners and Farmers they spend more time
0:29:14.640,0:29:18.559
than anybody on these properties so the
0:29:16.480,0:29:20.440
first thing I ask them is hey you been
0:29:18.559,0:29:22.279
hearing or seeing any coyotes lately and
0:29:20.440,0:29:25.120
then when they tell me I want to know
0:29:22.279,0:29:26.600
any problems exactly tell me exactly
0:29:25.120,0:29:28.240
where you're seeing and hearing them and
0:29:26.600,0:29:30.279
go from there so I think those are great
0:29:28.240,0:29:32.440
ways that I like to do some scouting
0:29:30.279,0:29:34.440
here in the here in the East Al how do
0:29:32.440,0:29:36.480
you Scout for coyotes well there's
0:29:34.440,0:29:38.360
nothing better than seeing a coyote I
0:29:36.480,0:29:41.120
mean when you physically see a coyote in
0:29:38.360,0:29:44.360
a draw or in this pasture or wherever
0:29:41.120,0:29:48.600
you see that coyote that is that
0:29:44.360,0:29:51.399
is number one he's there you saw him
0:29:48.600,0:29:54.600
there you saw what time it was you when
0:29:51.399,0:29:57.039
he was there I mean that is the most
0:29:54.600,0:29:59.320
critical you guys that bow hunt out of
0:29:57.039,0:30:01.440
your tree stands at your uncle's place
0:29:59.320,0:30:03.080
you see those coyotes they come through
0:30:01.440,0:30:04.679
you know in Kansas when I was bow
0:30:03.080,0:30:06.640
hunting for white tails in Kansas I
0:30:04.679,0:30:08.399
could hear those coyotes spread out and
0:30:06.640,0:30:11.120
assembly how and then they would
0:30:08.399,0:30:12.880
literally push those blocks of Timber
0:30:11.120,0:30:14.360
and I know they were pushing deer you
0:30:12.880,0:30:18.240
know they were they were hunting those
0:30:14.360,0:30:21.799
white tail deer um seeing them is is is
0:30:18.240,0:30:23.480
the best the absolute best way to Scout
0:30:21.799,0:30:26.039
and then you look for the tracks the
0:30:23.480,0:30:28.120
scat and then of course you know for
0:30:26.039,0:30:31.200
every day we ever hunted a contest
0:30:28.120,0:30:32.840
scouted 3 to 5 days and put the you know
0:30:31.200,0:30:35.080
the one year alone I we almost put
0:30:32.840,0:30:37.720
10,000 miles on a Toyota truck going
0:30:35.080,0:30:40.600
across five states looking for coyotes
0:30:37.720,0:30:44.039
and and uh that's stopping every two to
0:30:40.600,0:30:46.840
three miles in Howland and uh there was
0:30:44.039,0:30:48.720
places John where I would start howling
0:30:46.840,0:30:50.399
I would drive a mile roll the window
0:30:48.720,0:30:53.240
down they were howling I'd drive another
0:30:50.399,0:30:55.240
Mile and I've actually gone 32 miles and
0:30:53.240,0:30:58.440
never had to howl again the coyotes just
0:30:55.240,0:31:01.240
kept howling the entire that is a target
0:30:58.440,0:31:03.799
Target Rich environment hey I like those
0:31:01.240,0:31:05.760
type of environments well and it's just
0:31:03.799,0:31:08.039
it's hard to find it's hard to find
0:31:05.760,0:31:10.440
those places anymore yeah that have that
0:31:08.039,0:31:13.399
many coyotes across that kind of
0:31:10.440,0:31:16.360
distance but that's why um when people
0:31:13.399,0:31:18.480
wonder how you win uh a contest you win
0:31:16.360,0:31:20.440
contests by finding and locating these
0:31:18.480,0:31:22.559
big groups of coyotes these big areas
0:31:20.440,0:31:23.919
that have tons of coyotes and and it
0:31:22.559,0:31:25.200
takes a lot of coyotes you've got to
0:31:23.919,0:31:26.600
call them in and shoot them and put them
0:31:25.200,0:31:29.320
in the back of a truck and it's not so
0:31:26.600,0:31:31.039
easy y and uh it all starts with The
0:31:29.320,0:31:33.679
Scouting it all starts with finding
0:31:31.039,0:31:36.720
those draws when when you can't when you
0:31:33.679,0:31:38.240
know it's it's high noon and you doubt
0:31:36.720,0:31:40.720
that they're going to answer any hows
0:31:38.240,0:31:43.360
you put out uh Sun's straight up in the
0:31:40.720,0:31:45.159
air uh you get out and you start walking
0:31:43.360,0:31:47.639
and walking those washes and those
0:31:45.159,0:31:49.320
places that would leave tracks the the
0:31:47.639,0:31:51.960
water holes the mud holes you're looking
0:31:49.320,0:31:54.880
for those scat on the yellow line the
0:31:51.960,0:31:56.480
white lines um you know one of our one
0:31:54.880,0:31:58.000
of our one of my favorite stories is
0:31:56.480,0:32:00.279
driving down the road and there is the
0:31:58.000,0:32:02.600
prettiest orange poop you ever saw on
0:32:00.279,0:32:04.760
the yellow line and Garin looks at me
0:32:02.600,0:32:07.000
and goes do you think that's kyot poop I
0:32:04.760,0:32:09.559
go what else would it be Precision
0:32:07.000,0:32:11.639
placed on the yellow line yep and we
0:32:09.559,0:32:13.440
pulled over examined it and then you
0:32:11.639,0:32:15.720
look out in the field and I'm like what
0:32:13.440,0:32:17.880
do you think this guy grew in this field
0:32:15.720,0:32:20.279
we go 20 miles down the road pull in
0:32:17.880,0:32:22.720
because we're about out of gas lucky
0:32:20.279,0:32:25.159
this gas station was open and we're
0:32:22.720,0:32:27.200
sitting there still revela about these
0:32:25.159,0:32:29.480
uh orange poop and this girl starts
0:32:27.200,0:32:31.240
laughing at us attended cuz we're in
0:32:29.480,0:32:34.039
there buying drinks and some Gatorade
0:32:31.240,0:32:37.960
and some stuff and and she goes those
0:32:34.039,0:32:40.240
coyotes are eating my dad's carrots and
0:32:37.960,0:32:41.799
and oh your dad owns these fields huh
0:32:40.240,0:32:43.440
does he care if we hunt these kyos well
0:32:41.799,0:32:45.480
I'll call him right now hey these guys
0:32:43.440,0:32:48.000
from Utah want to hunties tell them to
0:32:45.480,0:32:50.600
knock themselves we didn't have any we
0:32:48.000,0:32:53.039
didn't have any carrot calls but playing
0:32:50.600,0:32:55.200
a little KY Cottontail out there along
0:32:53.039,0:32:58.360
those those carrot fields we killed
0:32:55.200,0:33:00.279
eight coyotes hey those coyes want no
0:32:58.360,0:33:01.919
rabbit eating their carrots they just
0:33:00.279,0:33:04.200
Gardener
0:33:01.919,0:33:06.039
carrots that's the first time that a
0:33:04.200,0:33:09.639
that a Cotton Tail sound was a
0:33:06.039,0:33:12.519
territorial sound yeah no on those
0:33:09.639,0:33:13.840
carrots so it was really cool that uh
0:33:12.519,0:33:15.720
they really are products of their
0:33:13.840,0:33:17.600
environment and these coyotes get really
0:33:15.720,0:33:19.639
good at living in their areas but I
0:33:17.600,0:33:21.960
think a coyote in Vermont is the same as
0:33:19.639,0:33:23.600
a coyote in California they're just you
0:33:21.960,0:33:25.240
know a coyote in California loves to eat
0:33:23.600,0:33:26.880
the grapes and I'm sure if there's
0:33:25.240,0:33:28.559
somebody growing wine in Vermont them
0:33:26.880,0:33:30.399
coyotes are eating the grapes in Vermont
0:33:28.559,0:33:32.760
you know it's just a coyote Coyote's an
0:33:30.399,0:33:34.880
omnivore he'll eat anything yeah and
0:33:32.760,0:33:38.159
survive and uh that's what guys got to
0:33:34.880,0:33:39.799
remember I you're you're our buddy and
0:33:38.159,0:33:42.240
you're really good friends with him John
0:33:39.799,0:33:43.919
bear he's pretty big on locating Kyle
0:33:42.240,0:33:45.519
titney and doesn't he doesn't he use a
0:33:43.919,0:33:47.840
different tactic doesn't he like to use
0:33:45.519,0:33:50.279
like a siren some to try to locate
0:33:47.840,0:33:52.799
instead of how no well when we came to
0:33:50.279,0:33:56.080
that you know will if we're going to
0:33:52.799,0:33:58.000
really hunt an area I won't use uh if
0:33:56.080,0:34:01.720
I'm going to if I think I'm going to use
0:33:58.000,0:34:05.440
vocals I will uh I will only use siren
0:34:01.720,0:34:07.240
and uh uh non I try not to use Kyo
0:34:05.440,0:34:11.159
vocals unless I want to use those vocals
0:34:07.240,0:34:16.159
to call them in um so the siren really
0:34:11.159,0:34:19.079
kicks in and uh and and some people say
0:34:16.159,0:34:22.119
that if you howl so coyotes will use
0:34:19.079,0:34:23.520
hows and this is just a theory and uh
0:34:22.119,0:34:27.240
some people think if you go through an
0:34:23.520,0:34:29.919
area and say you use coyot group y pal
0:34:27.240,0:34:32.919
and you have how you will push all the
0:34:29.919,0:34:34.760
young coyotes away from that area they
0:34:32.919,0:34:37.159
they don't want to fight they it's not
0:34:34.760,0:34:40.200
their territory you you're pushing the
0:34:37.159,0:34:42.359
transient coyotes away from the area and
0:34:40.200,0:34:44.079
so you can go through and it and you use
0:34:42.359,0:34:45.720
those KY vocals I guess it's possible
0:34:44.079,0:34:48.320
you know I don't know why it wouldn't be
0:34:45.720,0:34:50.679
there there's a couple guys that really
0:34:48.320,0:34:52.440
you know a couple of them are pretty
0:34:50.679,0:34:54.520
good kyot Hunters yeah oh yeah and so
0:34:52.440,0:34:58.760
you gotta wonder if what they're saying
0:34:54.520,0:35:00.760
is truth um Garvin Young he does not
0:34:58.760,0:35:03.760
care he wants to know exactly how many
0:35:00.760,0:35:06.560
coyotes are in an area so he will use
0:35:03.760,0:35:09.520
I've tried to uh use more mechanical
0:35:06.560,0:35:12.280
siren stuff and uh if that doesn't get
0:35:09.520,0:35:14.760
him to fire and we go to coyot group yep
0:35:12.280,0:35:16.520
pal or something and then they fire um
0:35:14.760,0:35:18.560
he would rather know they're there he
0:35:16.520,0:35:20.320
would rather and he doesn't care if he
0:35:18.560,0:35:22.440
pushes some of the transient Coyotes out
0:35:20.320,0:35:24.720
he wants to know where the core home
0:35:22.440,0:35:26.240
area of the dominant pair is in that
0:35:24.720,0:35:29.200
area and that's the pair he wants to
0:35:26.240,0:35:30.880
kill yep and and just so you guys know
0:35:29.200,0:35:32.960
that aren't familiar with
0:35:30.880,0:35:34.520
locating and you know not every state
0:35:32.960,0:35:37.520
has to locate I think we mentioned last
0:35:34.520,0:35:40.040
time you know you know places like Texas
0:35:37.520,0:35:41.680
where it's a crazy high you know and not
0:35:40.040,0:35:43.400
all Texas is absolutely covered up with
0:35:41.680,0:35:45.119
cods when you get those thick areas of
0:35:43.400,0:35:47.040
Texas there's no sense in locating
0:35:45.119,0:35:48.920
because they're there they're everywhere
0:35:47.040,0:35:51.319
but these states have got lower numbers
0:35:48.920,0:35:53.040
when when locating can really pay off or
0:35:51.319,0:35:56.839
if you're contest hunting and wan to
0:35:53.040,0:35:59.240
really hammer down your stands um one
0:35:56.839,0:36:01.839
thing about Loc in just because you stop
0:35:59.240,0:36:05.000
at a place and you blow a siren or you
0:36:01.839,0:36:07.880
let out a set of Lone house and nothing
0:36:05.000,0:36:09.640
answers you can still pull don't just
0:36:07.880,0:36:12.440
hop in your truck and leave off you know
0:36:09.640,0:36:15.040
usually when I like to locate I'll I'll
0:36:12.440,0:36:16.960
I like using house I use house so I'll
0:36:15.040,0:36:19.160
set use a Sit aone house whatever I
0:36:16.960,0:36:20.760
usually have good responses out of and I
0:36:19.160,0:36:23.800
sit there and listen for like up to a
0:36:20.760,0:36:25.880
minute or longer maybe two minutes cuz
0:36:23.800,0:36:27.640
not all coyotes will sound off just
0:36:25.880,0:36:29.480
right after that House's over with you
0:36:27.640,0:36:31.079
sometimes you have some time and then if
0:36:29.480,0:36:34.520
they don't answer then I go like to a
0:36:31.079,0:36:37.040
Parow and do the same thing we we were
0:36:34.520,0:36:40.319
we were scouting in area and we would
0:36:37.040,0:36:43.560
how I hear them dogs too mine blue
0:36:40.319,0:36:45.599
healers out crazy as can
0:36:43.560,0:36:47.000
be that's you know that's the other
0:36:45.599,0:36:48.920
thing people don't understand about you
0:36:47.000,0:36:50.359
and me is they oh you heartless buggers
0:36:48.920,0:36:54.560
killing those coyotes yeah but we love
0:36:50.359,0:36:56.960
our dogs so we're not heartless towards
0:36:54.560,0:36:58.560
canines we're just hard on coyotes
0:36:56.960,0:37:00.720
there's a man eatting healer right over
0:36:58.560,0:37:03.440
here about 10 steps away just bristled
0:37:00.720,0:37:05.240
up like a big old male coyot ready to
0:37:03.440,0:37:07.040
fight for his territory right now so if
0:37:05.240,0:37:08.680
y'all hear his dog barking just just
0:37:07.040,0:37:12.400
keep listening don't hang up on us or
0:37:08.680,0:37:14.560
don't don't turn us off it's all right
0:37:12.400,0:37:16.000
no but keep on going what you saying
0:37:14.560,0:37:20.280
about the locating
0:37:16.000,0:37:23.560
there well so I got talking about them
0:37:20.280,0:37:25.359
dogs and get sidetracked I just th a
0:37:23.560,0:37:28.400
notebook at this one so maybe it'll shut
0:37:25.359,0:37:31.000
up yeah I know
0:37:28.400,0:37:32.520
but no I'll go go right off what I said
0:37:31.000,0:37:34.480
you know like I'll let out that set of
0:37:32.520,0:37:36.319
house and I'm going to wait up to two
0:37:34.480,0:37:38.440
minutes to see if I get a response if
0:37:36.319,0:37:40.880
nothing responds after that loan those
0:37:38.440,0:37:42.760
lone house I'll then play like a a pair
0:37:40.880,0:37:45.000
how do the same thing I'll wait up to
0:37:42.760,0:37:46.760
two minutes to see if one will answer
0:37:45.000,0:37:48.880
back if nothing answers back I'll let
0:37:46.760,0:37:52.119
out a big family group how so I'm
0:37:48.880,0:37:54.839
actually waiting I'm going to wait up to
0:37:52.119,0:37:57.160
like six or seven minutes before I leave
0:37:54.839,0:37:58.800
out at every spot I try to locate now if
0:37:57.160,0:38:00.680
I let out a set of Lone house and
0:37:58.800,0:38:02.319
coyotes answer well yeah I can go on
0:38:00.680,0:38:03.640
down the road but if I don't get no
0:38:02.319,0:38:05.520
response immediately I'm going to sit
0:38:03.640,0:38:07.160
there for about 6 or 7 minutes and play
0:38:05.520,0:38:09.520
three different hows just to see if I
0:38:07.160,0:38:11.480
can't stir up a response that's just we
0:38:09.520,0:38:13.839
learn that we learned that lesson the
0:38:11.480,0:38:15.319
hard way is we were going down the road
0:38:13.839,0:38:16.640
running and gunning we'd only stay a
0:38:15.319,0:38:19.359
couple minutes and then go couple
0:38:16.640,0:38:21.079
minutes go nothing was answering but we
0:38:19.359,0:38:23.800
I was like this was really good you know
0:38:21.079,0:38:25.599
a year ago and then for whatever reason
0:38:23.800,0:38:27.560
one of us had to go to the bathroom or
0:38:25.599,0:38:29.119
we just decided to make a sandwich or
0:38:27.560,0:38:31.760
something we stayed there and so we
0:38:29.119,0:38:34.040
howled we're sitting there in the dark
0:38:31.760,0:38:36.040
and then 5 minutes after we howled all
0:38:34.040,0:38:38.480
of a sudden the whole place lit up yep
0:38:36.040,0:38:41.040
you know they didn't light up at us but
0:38:38.480,0:38:42.960
at five minutes later they uh they
0:38:41.040,0:38:45.240
really lit up so then you're like oh gez
0:38:42.960,0:38:46.960
we need to stay longer and I think that
0:38:45.240,0:38:49.440
happens when we're calling playing the
0:38:46.960,0:38:51.880
distresses and stuff like that I think
0:38:49.440,0:38:53.520
we I think we drive away from coyotes or
0:38:51.880,0:38:56.000
walk out of a
0:38:53.520,0:38:57.800
stand so well I'll tell you just to
0:38:56.000,0:39:00.240
finish his section up you know how do
0:38:57.800,0:39:04.079
how do we Scout for cows how do we find
0:39:00.240,0:39:05.480
Couts um just to reiterate this I think
0:39:04.079,0:39:07.760
a lot of times in the East when you're
0:39:05.480,0:39:09.359
hunting these small small Parcels or
0:39:07.760,0:39:11.599
even these bigger Parcels of farm
0:39:09.359,0:39:13.560
country I think people just you know
0:39:11.599,0:39:16.119
they knock on the door they call them up
0:39:13.560,0:39:17.680
whatever they do to get permission and
0:39:16.119,0:39:19.520
they just ask they can coye hunt and
0:39:17.680,0:39:22.480
that's the end of it I think when you
0:39:19.520,0:39:24.720
ask these guys to coye hunt or may be
0:39:22.480,0:39:27.040
places that you've hunted for years when
0:39:24.720,0:39:29.480
you talk to these land owners or Farmers
0:39:27.040,0:39:31.280
ask ask them hey you know after they say
0:39:29.480,0:39:33.240
yeah you can go Coy hunt well ask them
0:39:31.280,0:39:34.520
if they see or hear them and then find
0:39:33.240,0:39:36.200
out where they do see and hear them that
0:39:34.520,0:39:38.440
can be a great cuz they could put you
0:39:36.200,0:39:39.560
right in the hot spot if you just ask
0:39:38.440,0:39:41.160
you know they'll let you know where they
0:39:39.560,0:39:42.400
see coyotes you know that's part of
0:39:41.160,0:39:46.680
scouting that I think is often
0:39:42.400,0:39:48.960
overlooked so um Al I do have another
0:39:46.680,0:39:51.480
another question here that I think goes
0:39:48.960,0:39:53.240
right along with this one you know so
0:39:51.480,0:39:55.520
you've done your scouting you've went
0:39:53.240,0:39:58.359
and looked for you've found tracks you
0:39:55.520,0:40:01.119
found scat you've found hair left in
0:39:58.359,0:40:02.560
fenos ball bar fences you've howed
0:40:01.119,0:40:04.400
you've located them you've talked to
0:40:02.560,0:40:07.240
land owners at where coyot at you've
0:40:04.400,0:40:09.319
done all that you found kowa hunt right
0:40:07.240,0:40:11.599
the second part is and this is the next
0:40:09.319,0:40:14.240
question we get a lot a very commonly
0:40:11.599,0:40:17.160
asked question how do you go about
0:40:14.240,0:40:19.599
picking your stand locations so say you
0:40:17.160,0:40:21.520
know you've got KY to hunt now what's
0:40:19.599,0:40:23.000
the next step how do you pick your stand
0:40:21.520,0:40:25.119
locations what's the type of stuff that
0:40:23.000,0:40:27.680
you look for when setting up when you
0:40:25.119,0:40:29.880
know you've got Coy in the area what do
0:40:27.680,0:40:32.880
you look for in a stand location how are
0:40:29.880,0:40:35.119
you picking your stand locations and I
0:40:32.880,0:40:37.800
really think this is the number one key
0:40:35.119,0:40:40.680
for a beginner's success is how do you
0:40:37.800,0:40:43.359
decide where to set up and call from and
0:40:40.680,0:40:46.880
I really think the first thing for me
0:40:43.359,0:40:49.640
that I always look for is any elevation
0:40:46.880,0:40:54.319
whatsoever I really think that the you
0:40:49.640,0:40:56.720
know people that uh the generals the
0:40:54.319,0:40:59.480
captains anybody that ever has fought
0:40:56.720,0:41:01.160
anybody wants The High Ground And I
0:40:59.480,0:41:04.200
think that a coyote Hunter should have
0:41:01.160,0:41:06.359
the same mentality take The High Ground
0:41:04.200,0:41:08.520
now if there is no High Ground then
0:41:06.359,0:41:11.359
you've got to look for the Advent the
0:41:08.520,0:41:14.520
advantages you can get on level ground
0:41:11.359,0:41:16.200
and that is openings and how to position
0:41:14.520,0:41:18.280
and and where you place the call or
0:41:16.200,0:41:20.040
where you hand call from can determine
0:41:18.280,0:41:21.640
where and then you've got to have a
0:41:20.040,0:41:23.760
vision of where you think the kyotes are
0:41:21.640,0:41:26.079
going to come from and you take all
0:41:23.760,0:41:28.880
those the openings the you might be
0:41:26.079,0:41:30.160
hunting just thick Hardwoods and you're
0:41:28.880,0:41:31.440
standing there with a shotgun but
0:41:30.160,0:41:34.319
there's going to be Trails there's going
0:41:31.440,0:41:37.520
to be Lanes so find that trail find that
0:41:34.319,0:41:39.920
lane that is advantageous for your
0:41:37.520,0:41:42.440
situation but setting yourself up for
0:41:39.920,0:41:44.760
success is it's the hardest thing to
0:41:42.440,0:41:46.040
learn you've got to have some you got to
0:41:44.760,0:41:47.520
have some woodsmanship you've got to
0:41:46.040,0:41:49.400
have some understanding about High
0:41:47.520,0:41:51.800
Ground you've got to understand about
0:41:49.400,0:41:53.839
openings and how to position coyotes so
0:41:51.800,0:41:56.000
that you can kill them and the number
0:41:53.839,0:41:59.319
one way I learned it John was all the
0:41:56.000,0:42:00.920
failures right right you know I think I
0:41:59.319,0:42:02.680
learned as much from every coyote that
0:42:00.920,0:42:04.880
got away from me that got within 10
0:42:02.680,0:42:06.440
yards of me that I never saw coming you
0:42:04.880,0:42:08.480
know but I heard him leaving and then I
0:42:06.440,0:42:10.680
saw his tail running yep and that's when
0:42:08.480,0:42:12.440
I decided to pack a shotgun because
0:42:10.680,0:42:13.680
these kyotes were bombing in bombing out
0:42:12.440,0:42:15.480
and I was never getting you know I'm
0:42:13.680,0:42:17.560
sitting there with the best 22 250 money
0:42:15.480,0:42:19.559
could buy but I could never get a good
0:42:17.560,0:42:21.880
shot at him because of where ID set up I
0:42:19.559,0:42:23.440
had set myself up for failure yep but
0:42:21.880,0:42:24.839
then I decided if I had a shotgun I
0:42:23.440,0:42:27.200
could set myself up in that same
0:42:24.839,0:42:30.559
location and I started crushing coyotes
0:42:27.200,0:42:32.079
with a shotgun yep and so shotgun and
0:42:30.559,0:42:34.640
coyotes is simply a matter of how you
0:42:32.079,0:42:37.200
set up it is and it is and and the
0:42:34.640,0:42:40.040
terrain and the terrain varies I mean
0:42:37.200,0:42:41.760
from California Vermont Texas to Alberta
0:42:40.040,0:42:44.520
you don't get much different variations
0:42:41.760,0:42:47.079
of terrain y but they all have
0:42:44.520,0:42:49.359
similar an edge of a cornfield is just
0:42:47.079,0:42:52.800
like the edge of a Sagebrush patch you
0:42:49.359,0:42:55.000
know it it a hardwood dance uh thick
0:42:52.800,0:42:58.040
forest is no more different than than
0:42:55.000,0:43:00.880
10t tall Sagebrush that's dancing Nevada
0:42:58.040,0:43:04.240
versus what I was up against in uh
0:43:00.880,0:43:06.280
Alabama so it's just you have to set
0:43:04.240,0:43:09.119
yourself up where you can actually get a
0:43:06.280,0:43:10.520
coyote to poke out or run at you and
0:43:09.119,0:43:12.240
come out into an opening where you can
0:43:10.520,0:43:15.079
get a shot whether it's a shotgun or a
0:43:12.240,0:43:16.839
rifle and that terrain will dictate what
0:43:15.079,0:43:19.880
what uh instrument you're going to use
0:43:16.839,0:43:22.880
best yep I I think you I think you
0:43:19.880,0:43:24.640
nailed it you know how do you pick your
0:43:22.880,0:43:26.480
stand locations I think it goes right
0:43:24.640,0:43:28.040
along with your scouting you know when
0:43:26.480,0:43:29.520
you're scouting Scouting For Coy you
0:43:28.040,0:43:32.640
also need to be Scouting For where you
0:43:29.520,0:43:35.319
can set up and be successful Al I think
0:43:32.640,0:43:37.559
the made the perfect phrase there is set
0:43:35.319,0:43:39.680
yourself up for Success you've got to be
0:43:37.559,0:43:42.920
able to see you know you've got to be
0:43:39.680,0:43:45.280
able to to you know turn your gun to get
0:43:42.920,0:43:47.880
on couch you've got to be able to to
0:43:45.280,0:43:51.760
make yourself be successful On Any Given
0:43:47.880,0:43:55.040
stand um I tell you one thing that that
0:43:51.760,0:43:57.720
I think people probably Overlook is the
0:43:55.040,0:43:59.200
use of toppo maps
0:43:57.720,0:44:01.440
especially with like onx you know you
0:43:59.200,0:44:04.040
can get your topography there's they've
0:44:01.440,0:44:06.319
got different modes inside the app where
0:44:04.040,0:44:07.920
you can see like 3D maps and all this
0:44:06.319,0:44:09.839
other stuff that can really show you the
0:44:07.920,0:44:11.480
lay of the land because there's nothing
0:44:09.839,0:44:13.720
worse than looking just lay at a flat
0:44:11.480,0:44:15.640
map of a place and think I bet there's
0:44:13.720,0:44:17.000
Couts in this draw I'm going to go set
0:44:15.640,0:44:19.240
up on that draw and we sit right here
0:44:17.000,0:44:20.559
off this point or this ventro or tree
0:44:19.240,0:44:22.520
line or whatever it is and you get there
0:44:20.559,0:44:24.480
to that tree line you can't see nothing
0:44:22.520,0:44:26.040
you can't see but 20 ft well guess what
0:44:24.480,0:44:28.559
if you can't see but 20 ft that's
0:44:26.040,0:44:30.079
probably not good stand location so and
0:44:28.559,0:44:31.640
there's nothing worse than getting to a
0:44:30.079,0:44:33.359
spot that you want to call and you sit
0:44:31.640,0:44:35.480
down and you can only see about 10 yards
0:44:33.359,0:44:38.839
and then it rolls off you can't see the
0:44:35.480,0:44:41.680
another 200 you don't call there you got
0:44:38.839,0:44:44.319
to set yourself up for Success if you
0:44:41.680,0:44:46.839
can't see over that BM if there is a if
0:44:44.319,0:44:49.920
there is something and Murphy's Law will
0:44:46.839,0:44:52.839
I will take over every time yeah or
0:44:49.920,0:44:55.040
can't go wrong with you yeah if you've
0:44:52.839,0:44:56.559
set up where you can't see a spot but
0:44:55.040,0:44:57.960
you can see you know you can see the
0:44:56.559,0:44:59.160
left pretty but you can't see anything
0:44:57.960,0:45:01.160
to right that Coy's going to come from
0:44:59.160,0:45:03.280
the right every time yeah yeah and it's
0:45:01.160,0:45:06.040
just it's just the nature of the Beast
0:45:03.280,0:45:08.240
yeah so well just to sum it up for me
0:45:06.040,0:45:10.079
you know how I pick my stand locations
0:45:08.240,0:45:11.720
you know I you know I want to have a
0:45:10.079,0:45:14.079
pretty good idea of where I where I
0:45:11.720,0:45:16.079
think coyotes are at I want to go to a
0:45:14.079,0:45:18.200
spot where I've got good visibility but
0:45:16.079,0:45:20.160
I think I'm close enough to those KY to
0:45:18.200,0:45:22.240
call them in cuz cuz not all areas
0:45:20.160,0:45:24.280
they'll come from miles away some places
0:45:22.240,0:45:25.880
you got to be inside that bubble right
0:45:24.280,0:45:28.520
so you know I want to be close enough to
0:45:25.880,0:45:31.480
Couts I want be able to see I want to
0:45:28.520,0:45:33.359
make sure I'm hunting a favorable wind
0:45:31.480,0:45:35.800
direction where I don't think I can get
0:45:33.359,0:45:38.440
busted or I want to be able to that's
0:45:35.800,0:45:41.040
that's another thing too talking about
0:45:38.440,0:45:42.640
this wind you've got to be able to see
0:45:41.040,0:45:44.160
your down I think there's two things you
0:45:42.640,0:45:46.400
got to be able to see and you've got to
0:45:44.160,0:45:48.640
be able to shoot this comes with stand
0:45:46.400,0:45:50.359
locations you've got to be able to shoot
0:45:48.640,0:45:52.319
your downwind you've got to be able to
0:45:50.359,0:45:53.920
see downwind cuz coyotes that's where
0:45:52.319,0:45:55.920
they're going to end up if you give them
0:45:53.920,0:45:58.440
enough time you know they want to be
0:45:55.920,0:46:00.640
downwind You' got to be able to shoot it
0:45:58.440,0:46:03.040
the second thing is you have got to be
0:46:00.640,0:46:05.119
able to see your call if you're running
0:46:03.040,0:46:06.839
a fox Pro x24 and you've got it sitting
0:46:05.119,0:46:09.119
out there guess what if you can't see
0:46:06.839,0:46:11.760
that how do you know there's not a Coy
0:46:09.119,0:46:14.839
or a bobcat or a fox or Mountain line
0:46:11.760,0:46:17.319
wolf whatever with its face buried in
0:46:14.839,0:46:19.119
the horn if you can't see the call I
0:46:17.319,0:46:21.720
think I think there's some people mess
0:46:19.119,0:46:23.599
up where they'll Place their eall unit
0:46:21.720,0:46:25.760
in a spot where they cannot see it like
0:46:23.599,0:46:27.200
in a dip or something like that you
0:46:25.760,0:46:29.200
always want to be able to see to your
0:46:27.200,0:46:30.680
unit and you always want to be able to
0:46:29.200,0:46:32.400
you always want to be able to see and
0:46:30.680,0:46:33.960
shoot wherever the call is and you want
0:46:32.400,0:46:37.760
to be able to see and shoot wherever the
0:46:33.960,0:46:39.800
downwind is yep and once you find a good
0:46:37.760,0:46:42.599
stand John how soon will you call it
0:46:39.800,0:46:44.200
again that's another question I get was
0:46:42.599,0:46:46.800
I I hunted with a guy that would only
0:46:44.200,0:46:49.400
hunt his STS one time a year yeah that's
0:46:46.800,0:46:52.160
a that is a great question and you know
0:46:49.400,0:46:54.960
that is probably it's I would say that's
0:46:52.160,0:46:57.040
probably in our top 10 most frequently
0:46:54.960,0:47:00.599
asked questions is how often will you
0:46:57.040,0:47:03.920
hunt the same stand same Farm stuff like
0:47:00.599,0:47:06.079
that right and uh man I think it has a
0:47:03.920,0:47:08.920
lot to do with what your actual cow
0:47:06.079,0:47:11.040
population is now densities y everybody
0:47:08.920,0:47:13.119
thinks that they're they're covered up
0:47:11.040,0:47:15.440
with cs you know I hear this all the
0:47:13.119,0:47:16.480
times you see it from New Hunters a lot
0:47:15.440,0:47:17.599
you know one of the reasons they get
0:47:16.480,0:47:20.520
into it because they think they got too
0:47:17.599,0:47:22.480
many CS well it it really depends on
0:47:20.520,0:47:25.839
what your coyot density your coyote
0:47:22.480,0:47:27.440
population is I've got certain farms and
0:47:25.839,0:47:29.200
pieces of land here
0:47:27.440,0:47:31.200
at home you know I hunt my home state
0:47:29.200,0:47:32.920
more than any other I hunt right in my
0:47:31.200,0:47:35.200
County more than any other CU I can
0:47:32.920,0:47:37.240
practically hunt the whole County but
0:47:35.200,0:47:39.839
I've got some Farms just like you just
0:47:37.240,0:47:42.480
said some stands that I only hunt once a
0:47:39.839,0:47:43.720
year I found a certain time of year I
0:47:42.480,0:47:45.880
can go on there and I know I can kill a
0:47:43.720,0:47:49.680
Coy and I figured I can only hunt it
0:47:45.880,0:47:51.400
once a year because I spent years prior
0:47:49.680,0:47:53.240
hunting these spots and was only killing
0:47:51.400,0:47:54.720
k a coyote off of it or a pair of
0:47:53.240,0:47:57.480
coyotes whatever during this certain
0:47:54.720,0:47:59.480
time of year so there's some there some
0:47:57.480,0:48:02.920
stands I only hunt once a year there's
0:47:59.480,0:48:04.640
some stands I'll hunt up to a dozen
0:48:02.920,0:48:07.000
times a year because I can practically
0:48:04.640,0:48:08.960
go on there almost every month and and
0:48:07.000,0:48:10.440
kill a Coy you know I've got these these
0:48:08.960,0:48:12.480
stands that you can kill a pair of
0:48:10.440,0:48:14.200
coyotes out of it and then just within a
0:48:12.480,0:48:15.960
week or two another pair coyot or
0:48:14.200,0:48:19.480
another single or whatever moves into
0:48:15.960,0:48:22.559
that area so right it
0:48:19.480,0:48:24.599
it put on video I have made a stand at
0:48:22.559,0:48:27.359
8:00 a.m. and
0:48:24.599,0:48:29.440
then yeah yeah the same day that's the
0:48:27.359,0:48:33.040
thing not every stand is created equal
0:48:29.440,0:48:34.760
but I would say on average on average
0:48:33.040,0:48:37.839
across the country the places that I
0:48:34.760,0:48:39.480
hunt I'll hunt almost every stand at
0:48:37.839,0:48:41.079
least twice a year a lot of times I'm
0:48:39.480,0:48:43.480
hunting a stand during the Denning
0:48:41.079,0:48:45.240
season and then I'm hunting a stand
0:48:43.480,0:48:48.559
hunting that same stand again either in
0:48:45.240,0:48:51.760
the fall or winter time frame sometime
0:48:48.559,0:48:53.799
and I know that's hard to hear for a lot
0:48:51.760,0:48:56.040
of hunters especially Hunters that don't
0:48:53.799,0:48:57.799
have a lot of property to hunt it's very
0:48:56.040,0:49:02.040
easy to over hun
0:48:57.799,0:49:04.760
places well and and and I if I'm really
0:49:02.040,0:49:06.880
in a dense area I like I said I won't be
0:49:04.760,0:49:09.440
afraid to make that
0:49:06.880,0:49:12.079
today I know that there's transient
0:49:09.440,0:49:13.839
coyotes I know there's dominant coyotes
0:49:12.079,0:49:15.599
and I really think it's in an area that
0:49:13.839,0:49:17.960
there is a lot of transition taking
0:49:15.599,0:49:19.720
place I will hunt it twice in the same
0:49:17.960,0:49:23.000
day if I really think if I have that
0:49:19.720,0:49:25.760
kind of confidence in it so yep yep no
0:49:23.000,0:49:27.559
don't over don't overthink it oh yeah
0:49:25.760,0:49:29.240
and that's the thing I know some people
0:49:27.559,0:49:32.000
like you said got those High coyote
0:49:29.240,0:49:34.079
densities or they're in an area that
0:49:32.000,0:49:35.559
that coyotes constantly move through
0:49:34.079,0:49:37.480
where it's like the overlapping of
0:49:35.559,0:49:39.799
territories or whatever and they they'll
0:49:37.480,0:49:42.200
hunt it every week and kill coyotes off
0:49:39.799,0:49:45.040
of it every week I saw the other day on
0:49:42.200,0:49:46.839
Facebook where a a guy down in Texas he
0:49:45.040,0:49:48.520
owns a little piece of ground there and
0:49:46.839,0:49:50.839
he's I think I seen where he's already
0:49:48.520,0:49:53.280
killed over 20 Couts off his piece of
0:49:50.839,0:49:54.520
ground he only owns like 30 Acres you
0:49:53.280,0:49:56.000
know he's shooting them at night you
0:49:54.520,0:49:58.720
know he's but you know he's hunting at
0:49:56.000,0:50:02.040
night but he's in this spot it's like a
0:49:58.720,0:50:05.240
ky highway so he they're transitioning
0:50:02.040,0:50:07.559
from yeah one area to another so not
0:50:05.240,0:50:08.920
every stand is created equal you know I
0:50:07.559,0:50:10.680
think there are stands that you can hunt
0:50:08.920,0:50:12.680
every day there are stands you can hunt
0:50:10.680,0:50:13.960
every week every month there are some
0:50:12.680,0:50:16.160
stands that just probably won't produce
0:50:13.960,0:50:17.520
but once or twice a year and it's just
0:50:16.160,0:50:19.760
going to be up to you you're going to
0:50:17.520,0:50:22.440
have to judge you're going to have to be
0:50:19.760,0:50:24.640
the judge how many times a place can be
0:50:22.440,0:50:27.880
hunted I got a couple more questions
0:50:24.640,0:50:29.520
here John I got to ask you right Define
0:50:27.880,0:50:33.480
a smart
0:50:29.520,0:50:36.520
coyote and how do you how do you kill
0:50:33.480,0:50:38.880
the Smart Ones that's a that's a that's
0:50:36.520,0:50:40.920
a good question I'm G to say this will
0:50:38.880,0:50:42.000
probably be our last question for this
0:50:40.920,0:50:44.559
episode because I think we're going to
0:50:42.000,0:50:46.200
do a part three because I've got a few
0:50:44.559,0:50:48.359
more questions here and I know you do as
0:50:46.200,0:50:50.079
well so and I've also got like a you
0:50:48.359,0:50:52.480
know would you rather type question I
0:50:50.079,0:50:55.480
want to finish this podcast off with but
0:50:52.480,0:50:59.520
so Define define a smart
0:50:55.480,0:51:01.319
coyote and and how do I go about calling
0:50:59.520,0:51:04.799
in this C is this correct this the
0:51:01.319,0:51:07.240
question yes sir yes sir well you kind
0:51:04.799,0:51:10.480
of said it earlier I
0:51:07.240,0:51:12.480
think when it comes to the finding a
0:51:10.480,0:51:14.319
smart cout I think you said something
0:51:12.480,0:51:17.079
really good earlier when you said I
0:51:14.319,0:51:19.200
think people give coyotes more credit
0:51:17.079,0:51:22.119
than they deserve on how smart they
0:51:19.200,0:51:24.839
actually are I think that is a great
0:51:22.119,0:51:26.920
point and on the other end of it I think
0:51:24.839,0:51:29.520
there's some kyot callers and some
0:51:26.920,0:51:32.680
Hunters that do not give them enough
0:51:29.520,0:51:35.880
credit right so there's two sides of
0:51:32.680,0:51:38.920
that I think what makes a smart
0:51:35.880,0:51:40.760
coyote is all coyotes are born with a
0:51:38.920,0:51:43.640
certain stack of
0:51:40.760,0:51:45.440
instincts that you know we talked about
0:51:43.640,0:51:48.920
it on I think it was just the last
0:51:45.440,0:51:50.559
podcast that a a baby coyot a coyote
0:51:48.920,0:51:52.200
that's old enough to come to the call a
0:51:50.559,0:51:54.040
yearling a young yearling has never
0:51:52.200,0:51:56.160
heard the first sound or nothing you can
0:51:54.040,0:51:58.079
go in there and hunt that Co say in
0:51:56.160,0:51:59.839
August and September when those coyotes
0:51:58.079,0:52:03.160
would really start coming to the to the
0:51:59.839,0:52:04.799
call they naturally Circle down wind how
0:52:03.160,0:52:06.599
how they know that did they learn that
0:52:04.799,0:52:08.720
or is that just in their DNA you know
0:52:06.599,0:52:11.599
what I mean that's in their DNA I know
0:52:08.720,0:52:14.720
it is so what I think makes a smart
0:52:11.599,0:52:17.160
coyote is us hunters if you go in there
0:52:14.720,0:52:17.839
and you uh say say you set up on a set
0:52:17.160,0:52:20.880
of
0:52:17.839,0:52:22.880
coyotes you call those coyotes out and
0:52:20.880,0:52:25.640
then you let them Circle and get down
0:52:22.880,0:52:27.119
wind of you and they get a nose full of
0:52:25.640,0:52:30.040
Big Al Morris
0:52:27.119,0:52:32.000
and then they turn to run and let's back
0:52:30.040,0:52:34.559
up say you sit up on a stand and you
0:52:32.000,0:52:37.400
play like 20 different sounds on that
0:52:34.559,0:52:39.880
stand before you ever call a cow out so
0:52:37.400,0:52:42.319
you've run through three HS you've
0:52:39.880,0:52:44.640
played four different rabbits you've
0:52:42.319,0:52:46.359
played four different pup distresses and
0:52:44.640,0:52:48.280
then you finish with four different
0:52:46.359,0:52:50.000
fights and then finally on that La last
0:52:48.280,0:52:52.680
fight here comes this pair of coyotes
0:52:50.000,0:52:54.720
out or this angle and then you mess up
0:52:52.680,0:52:57.839
and let this Coy get all the way down wi
0:52:54.720,0:53:00.440
and get a nose full of Morris and then
0:52:57.839,0:53:02.640
that coyot turns around and burns out
0:53:00.440,0:53:04.599
and then out shoots tries to put one
0:53:02.640,0:53:07.280
right up his H end as he's running dead
0:53:04.599,0:53:09.839
away and you run that bullet right up
0:53:07.280,0:53:12.960
the top of his back right between his
0:53:09.839,0:53:16.040
ears and cut a streak of hair out of him
0:53:12.960,0:53:18.920
burn him up but don't kill him guess
0:53:16.040,0:53:21.079
what that Coy is going to be a little
0:53:18.920,0:53:22.599
smarter than he was before cuz I
0:53:21.079,0:53:25.440
guarantee you he's going to be a little
0:53:22.599,0:53:27.280
shy of those sounds you played and he
0:53:25.440,0:53:30.440
already going to apprciate that type of
0:53:27.280,0:53:33.400
stuff with danger and I think that's
0:53:30.440,0:53:36.760
what makes a Smart Cow I think us as
0:53:33.400,0:53:39.040
Hunters messing up on a cow like really
0:53:36.760,0:53:41.040
messing up like letting him smell you
0:53:39.040,0:53:42.640
and then you then you graay you know
0:53:41.040,0:53:45.240
doing stuff like that I think that's
0:53:42.640,0:53:46.760
what makes a smart cout and then the
0:53:45.240,0:53:48.839
second part how do you hunt it now how
0:53:46.760,0:53:51.200
do you kill that cout now this is where
0:53:48.839,0:53:52.960
it really gets tough because have you
0:53:51.200,0:53:54.599
ever messed up on a set of Cs and then
0:53:52.960,0:53:56.720
you come right back in that same spot
0:53:54.599,0:53:59.000
and you let all by how and you're
0:53:56.720,0:54:03.000
answered back
0:53:59.000,0:54:04.760
with oh they justking from the GetGo and
0:54:03.000,0:54:07.640
then you walk all the way back to your
0:54:04.760,0:54:09.280
truck uh with him cussing you now let's
0:54:07.640,0:54:10.119
not answer that booger barking question
0:54:09.280,0:54:11.599
because we're going to have that for
0:54:10.119,0:54:15.000
part three how do you deal with a booger
0:54:11.599,0:54:16.520
barking C but this is where it comes in
0:54:15.000,0:54:18.720
this is my opinion I actually did a
0:54:16.520,0:54:19.960
podcast on this I think it was last year
0:54:18.720,0:54:23.280
it was just me on there I was talking
0:54:19.960,0:54:26.720
about dealing with call shot coyotes um
0:54:23.280,0:54:29.960
I had a set of coyotes I did that on y
0:54:26.720,0:54:33.040
and what I did this was on a a 200 it's
0:54:29.960,0:54:34.400
like a 260 Acre Farm what I did I messed
0:54:33.040,0:54:37.119
up on these cows during the dening
0:54:34.400,0:54:41.160
season I actually waited all the way
0:54:37.119,0:54:43.319
till the winter nice kind I hunted those
0:54:41.160,0:54:45.000
coyotes at A T cuz I went back in there
0:54:43.319,0:54:46.880
and tried them guess what they booger
0:54:45.000,0:54:49.200
barked me Booger barked me BR back to
0:54:46.880,0:54:51.160
the truck so what I did is I tried these
0:54:49.200,0:54:54.280
coyotes at a total different time of
0:54:51.160,0:54:57.240
year I used a total different set of
0:54:54.280,0:54:58.960
sounds and I set up on a total opposite
0:54:57.240,0:55:00.319
side of the farm for where they come
0:54:58.960,0:55:03.200
from so I changed everything up my
0:55:00.319,0:55:05.079
sounds my stand location yep the whole
0:55:03.200,0:55:07.160
nine yards in time of year and I killed
0:55:05.079,0:55:09.319
a double on that St and you killed them
0:55:07.160,0:55:10.559
yep that's I think that's what makes
0:55:09.319,0:55:15.200
them smart and I think that's how you
0:55:10.559,0:55:18.760
kill them no and that's uh you know uh
0:55:15.200,0:55:21.680
changing it up uh you know and then I'll
0:55:18.760,0:55:24.720
take the dogs in Denny season uh you
0:55:21.680,0:55:26.760
know these guys that growing sheep and
0:55:24.720,0:55:28.559
they call you and you call in in a pair
0:55:26.760,0:55:30.760
and you mess up on them and then you
0:55:28.559,0:55:33.319
find out they killed 13 Lambs the next
0:55:30.760,0:55:35.680
day and it was all your fault and you
0:55:33.319,0:55:38.680
got to go back you have to go back and
0:55:35.680,0:55:40.319
luckily uh on the the really smart
0:55:38.680,0:55:41.760
coyotes I've dealt with I can take the
0:55:40.319,0:55:44.920
dogs in there and they become really
0:55:41.760,0:55:46.640
dumb when you start dogging them but you
0:55:44.920,0:55:49.799
did exactly what I did with some smart
0:55:46.640,0:55:53.119
ones that didn't have dogs um I messed
0:55:49.799,0:55:54.839
up on them early in August and uh went
0:55:53.119,0:55:56.960
back in January and hit him from a
0:55:54.839,0:55:59.839
different direction walked in a lot
0:55:56.960,0:56:01.440
further didn't stay out by the road and
0:55:59.839,0:56:04.280
those really smart coyotes were really
0:56:01.440,0:56:05.720
dumb coming to a bird distress you know
0:56:04.280,0:56:08.960
not the rabbit that everybody else had
0:56:05.720,0:56:12.720
been playing yeah um it was a Nutty nut
0:56:08.960,0:56:15.119
hatch or a one of those one of those
0:56:12.720,0:56:17.400
bird sounds that are just magic ranting
0:56:15.119,0:56:19.319
red bird I think is the one I used yep
0:56:17.400,0:56:21.079
to kill a really smart pair and I just
0:56:19.319,0:56:22.520
think they were so they didn't think
0:56:21.079,0:56:25.559
anybody would walk three and a half
0:56:22.520,0:56:28.000
miles around them and and call from
0:56:25.559,0:56:29.839
opposite of the you know well that's
0:56:28.000,0:56:32.680
where people mess up if you did mess up
0:56:29.839,0:56:34.079
on coats or where they smelt you or you
0:56:32.680,0:56:36.039
called them in shot at them missed them
0:56:34.079,0:56:38.799
or whatever you can't just keep going in
0:56:36.039,0:56:40.599
the same to the same stand location hunt
0:56:38.799,0:56:43.480
from the same exact spot running the
0:56:40.599,0:56:45.920
same exact sounds every week and trying
0:56:43.480,0:56:47.760
to expect it to happen the same way
0:56:45.920,0:56:50.760
except you make the shot I mean those
0:56:47.760,0:56:52.520
kyotes will associate stuff with danger
0:56:50.760,0:56:53.960
you know I mean it's just how it is I
0:56:52.520,0:56:56.520
mean there no we was talking about these
0:56:53.960,0:56:59.400
dogs earlier yeah when I threw this
0:56:56.520,0:57:01.400
notepad at this dog which I ain't listen
0:56:59.400,0:57:03.760
guys don't be turning me in and old you
0:57:01.400,0:57:05.680
know whatever it's a little bitty
0:57:03.760,0:57:07.200
notepad the size of my hand has got
0:57:05.680,0:57:09.039
about five sheets of paper in it I just
0:57:07.200,0:57:10.640
threw it over there just to Spook it out
0:57:09.039,0:57:12.880
there and of course it jumped and took
0:57:10.640,0:57:14.400
off now guess what I guarantee you if
0:57:12.880,0:57:15.960
this healer dog runs back through here
0:57:14.400,0:57:19.359
again and looks up here at me and I pick
0:57:15.960,0:57:21.880
up another note B notepad and act like
0:57:19.359,0:57:24.680
he knows he just learned COA can learn
0:57:21.880,0:57:26.559
too now like Al said earlier sometimes
0:57:24.680,0:57:28.160
we give them too much credit for smart
0:57:26.559,0:57:30.720
they are but you also got to be on the
0:57:28.160,0:57:33.520
opposite and know that they can can
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learn from your mistakes
0:57:33.520,0:57:38.079
to and I want people to understand one
0:57:35.960,0:57:40.599
thing too is you can kill if you have a
0:57:38.079,0:57:42.920
100 coyotes in an area you can kill 75
0:57:40.599,0:57:45.599
of those coyotes the 25 left will get
0:57:42.920,0:57:49.480
you back to a hundred coyotes in one pup
0:57:45.599,0:57:52.960
crop y so just know that every year the
0:57:49.480,0:57:55.799
turnover you can kill 75% of your
0:57:52.960,0:57:59.200
coyotes and the 25% will get you back to
0:57:55.799,0:58:01.000
100 one pup crop so you can those Smart
0:57:59.200,0:58:02.799
Ones they're the ones that are having
0:58:01.000,0:58:06.480
the babies and they're teaching those
0:58:02.799,0:58:09.960
babies how to live next to you y and so
0:58:06.480,0:58:13.720
don't educate coyotes go in there make a
0:58:09.960,0:58:16.280
stand and uh you know I want to start
0:58:13.720,0:58:20.520
talking about the fat boy tripods we've
0:58:16.280,0:58:23.760
got yep uh how to how a guy can uh bring
0:58:20.520,0:58:25.680
a gun and how a guy could choose a gun
0:58:23.760,0:58:28.119
and uh I'm going to save all these
0:58:25.680,0:58:31.319
questions tell our next one awesome
0:58:28.119,0:58:33.000
awesome we we'll do that here soon um I
0:58:31.319,0:58:34.799
got one question I ask you before we get
0:58:33.000,0:58:37.000
out here this just going to have some of
0:58:34.799,0:58:39.920
our listeners learn a little bit more
0:58:37.000,0:58:41.400
about Al Morris and see see what he
0:58:39.920,0:58:43.400
thinks here but this is a would you
0:58:41.400,0:58:45.960
rather question all right you ready for
0:58:43.400,0:58:49.240
it yep would you
0:58:45.960,0:58:51.839
rather in September September Rose
0:58:49.240,0:58:53.680
around all right you've got all these
0:58:51.839,0:58:56.160
yearling coyotes that'll start coming to
0:58:53.680,0:58:58.680
the call now uh you know it's it's a
0:58:56.160,0:59:01.240
pretty good time to start calling couch
0:58:58.680,0:59:03.799
right uh the other thing that's going on
0:59:01.240,0:59:07.200
is all these Bulls up on the mountains
0:59:03.799,0:59:10.520
buling like crazy right right I mean
0:59:07.200,0:59:13.160
just screaming and running so here it is
0:59:10.520,0:59:17.000
in September September Rose around would
0:59:13.160,0:59:19.480
Big Al Morris rather go elk hunting call
0:59:17.000,0:59:21.200
in those big bugling bulls or would he
0:59:19.480,0:59:22.799
rather go call coyotes and get on that
0:59:21.200,0:59:23.920
fresh crop of coyotes running all over
0:59:22.799,0:59:27.280
the place
0:59:23.920,0:59:29.119
what what would beig G more rather that
0:59:27.280,0:59:30.920
isn't even a fair question I didn't get
0:59:29.119,0:59:33.480
this way eating salad John I got this
0:59:30.920,0:59:36.480
way eating elk and I just put my knife
0:59:33.480,0:59:40.640
in number 800 the 800th elk I've put a
0:59:36.480,0:59:42.319
knife in and uh people out there in
0:59:40.640,0:59:43.559
podcast land don't have to believe me
0:59:42.319,0:59:46.400
the problem is I can prove it I've kept
0:59:43.559,0:59:49.119
a journal since I was 16 and I've had my
0:59:46.400,0:59:52.160
knife in over 800 elk I bet you I'm I'm
0:59:49.119,0:59:56.760
over 3500 I'm I'm knocking down the door
0:59:52.160,1:00:00.039
of 4,000 coyotes um it's it's the two
0:59:56.760,1:00:01.920
passions of my life John yep um I'm
1:00:00.039,1:00:03.440
really good at calling big bull elk in
1:00:01.920,1:00:06.559
I'm really good at calling cows in I'm
1:00:03.440,1:00:10.039
good at calling spikes in um if it's an
1:00:06.559,1:00:12.039
elk I can talk I can talk the the the
1:00:10.039,1:00:14.559
thing that bothers me the most John
1:00:12.039,1:00:16.119
Collins I'll tell you this is I can tell
1:00:14.559,1:00:17.680
what an elk's thinking before an elk
1:00:16.119,1:00:19.039
knows what he's going to do I can tell
1:00:17.680,1:00:21.400
you what that bull Elk's goingon to do
1:00:19.039,1:00:23.039
based on his voice yep I can tell you if
1:00:21.400,1:00:24.480
he's coming I can tell you if he's just
1:00:23.039,1:00:27.359
Lolly gagging I can tell you if he's
1:00:24.480,1:00:29.480
going away um I cannot tell you what a
1:00:27.359,1:00:31.760
coyote's thinking even when they howl at
1:00:29.480,1:00:34.640
me because those coyotes will will howl
1:00:31.760,1:00:37.480
back when I do those two lone howls and
1:00:34.640,1:00:39.359
75% of the time I know they're coming
1:00:37.480,1:00:41.240
but 25% of the time they don't show and
1:00:39.359,1:00:43.680
I'm like what the hell they should have
1:00:41.240,1:00:45.240
come and they don't and so I really I
1:00:43.680,1:00:49.520
still haven't
1:00:45.240,1:00:53.400
cracked the coyote code that being said
1:00:49.520,1:00:56.119
um I uh yeah don't be Dan around this
1:00:53.400,1:00:58.079
question September's here
1:00:56.119,1:01:00.240
elk bugling and there's fresh crop of
1:00:58.079,1:01:01.880
coyotes what going to put an elk in the
1:01:00.240,1:01:02.920
freezer I'm going to go put an elk in
1:01:01.880,1:01:05.960
the freezer and then I'm going to go
1:01:02.920,1:01:08.359
kill the coyotes the next week so so in
1:01:05.960,1:01:11.880
other words Al Morris would rather be
1:01:08.359,1:01:14.160
Colin elk in September than KS I I think
1:01:11.880,1:01:16.720
God God definitely put me on this Earth
1:01:14.160,1:01:18.920
to uh talk to elk and and he definitely
1:01:16.720,1:01:20.960
put me down here to go kill kyos every
1:01:18.920,1:01:22.520
chance I get that's right and I think I
1:01:20.960,1:01:25.079
think any of these guys listening to
1:01:22.520,1:01:27.319
this podcast uh ladies and gentlemen you
1:01:25.079,1:01:29.079
can work your life boy go spend more
1:01:27.319,1:01:32.000
time chasing elk and go spend more time
1:01:29.079,1:01:34.000
chasing coyotes that won't be deducted
1:01:32.000,1:01:36.160
hey with uh with somebody that's got a
1:01:34.000,1:01:38.400
passion for coling Elk there's just a
1:01:36.160,1:01:41.000
short window when elk seasons's in and
1:01:38.400,1:01:43.680
the elk are bugling and rutting
1:01:41.000,1:01:45.319
right 12 months a year on most days yeah
1:01:43.680,1:01:48.520
we only get a month and a half to really
1:01:45.319,1:01:50.319
get good el calling uh we 12 months
1:01:48.520,1:01:52.720
taking this job with Fox Pro we started
1:01:50.319,1:01:54.480
filming 365 days a year I used to be a
1:01:52.720,1:01:56.400
hide Hunter I only hunted from November
1:01:54.480,1:01:57.839
to February that was it I only hunted
1:01:56.400,1:02:00.160
coyotes when their hides were good cuz I
1:01:57.839,1:02:02.240
stripped every one of them and I paid
1:02:00.160,1:02:04.599
for Christmas these little girls but I
1:02:02.240,1:02:05.720
paid college I got these three of our
1:02:04.599,1:02:08.359
daughters through college hunting
1:02:05.720,1:02:11.240
coyotes and Elk for a living so I
1:02:08.359,1:02:13.559
win that's right Al we appreciate you
1:02:11.240,1:02:16.160
coming on this was part two of commonly
1:02:13.559,1:02:17.720
asked questions revering to Coy hunting
1:02:16.160,1:02:19.559
and we'll have a part three coming up
1:02:17.720,1:02:22.480
here in a few weeks we might slide
1:02:19.559,1:02:24.240
another podcast or two in before we I
1:02:22.480,1:02:26.400
hope people appreciate all the knowledge
1:02:24.240,1:02:28.400
that we pass on through this podcast
1:02:26.400,1:02:30.480
that uh you've spearheaded and
1:02:28.400,1:02:32.160
appreciate you John Collins man I
1:02:30.480,1:02:33.920
appreciate you Big Al morison we
1:02:32.160,1:02:35.559
appreciate all you guys out listening we
1:02:33.920,1:02:37.079
hope you enjoyed this episode we hope
1:02:35.559,1:02:40.400
you join us again right here on the fox
1:02:37.079,1:02:40.400
Pro podcast