The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 47 : Pups out of the Den - What's goin on in a Coyotes Life

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and MFK's Torry Cook discuss what coyotes are doing this time of year.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome

 

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back to the fox proo podcast we have

 

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coyot pups in the ground and we actually

 

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have some pups that's coming up out of

 

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the den on this episode we're going to

 

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be discussing what's currently going on

 

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in a coyote's life Our Guest is Mr Tory

 

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cook of mfk game calls what's going on

 

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Tor oh winding down from a long turkey

 

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season and uh doing a little nights just

 

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transitioning right over into uh that Co

 

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time frame and doing a little bit of

 

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doing a little bit of Timber work on on

 

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some places I'm G deer hunt and cow hunt

 

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so yeah just one thing right into the

 

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next yeah and I know last time me and

 

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you talked was that on a on a Cy hunt

 

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down in Texas you was planed on doing a

 

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little bit of food plot work as well

 

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wasn't you yeah I've been playing with

 

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some of that and just a little bit of

 

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everything you know how it is if you

 

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like to hunt you're you're a Woodsman

 

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there is no such thing as season going

 

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out because there's always something to

 

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do either in season or out of season to

 

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get ready for and of course go are in

 

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year round so always something to do if

 

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you like to hunt oh that's right you

 

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know you talked about the food plot

 

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stuff before if you if you know it's

 

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it's something to do that kind of helps

 

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pass the time I don't know if any

 

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listeners ever fooled with food plots

 

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for deer or turkey or anything like that

 

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I know some of you probably sitting

 

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there thinking like what in the world

 

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well you know they eat every everything

 

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they just eat bark off the trees and

 

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whatever else why would you even

 

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consider wasting diesel fueling time on

 

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planting stuff but it can make a

 

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difference and plus like I said it helps

 

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pass the time and it kind of feels like

 

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you giveing back a little bit too when

 

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you do it I enjoy it anyway well I tell

 

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you what it it does relate right to coow

 

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hunting in a lot of circumstances

 

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because I've ran cameras I've got some

 

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tech cams running on those food plots

 

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and I planted wheat and clover in a

 

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couple of different on a couple

 

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different properties cameras running on

 

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both of them and the amount of rabbits

 

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that I have coming out there I guess you

 

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know hitting those food plots is unreal

 

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and of course right with that I started

 

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getting pictures of the coats I've got a

 

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group of coats on both properties that

 

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uh that I'll be I'll be hunting I'll be

 

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hunting right there close to those food

 

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plots even though they weren't planted

 

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with coats and mine I figured out that

 

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when you start doing doing if you

 

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improve your habitat for any kind of

 

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animal the rest of it just comes along

 

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with it I mean you've got your birds and

 

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your little rodents and all that kind of

 

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stuff insects that hit that stuff heavy

 

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right on up and of course when you get

 

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that coming in there you know you didn't

 

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plant the food plot for the coats but

 

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they start praying on the other stuff

 

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that's frequent in those those food

 

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plots so oh yeah it's a it ties right in

 

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right into the co stuff and gave me a

 

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couple places extra to hunt yeah yeah

 

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open up the spot where you stretch that

 

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shotgun barrel out a little bit yeah

 

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that's right you know it makes sense if

 

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you really think about it you know if

 

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you do stuff that helps the habitat uh

 

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for you know other Wildlife you know far

 

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as like say deer turkeys your rabbit

 

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squirrels all that type of stuff it

 

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makes sense that more the stronger that

 

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the the prey species are and better the

 

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numbers are the the you know the better

 

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numbers that your your coyotes and

 

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predators going to have as well got

 

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plenty to feed on so oh yeah absolutely

 

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and and your Hunters are the ones that

 

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do that kind of stuff they're the ones

 

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that do do conservation type stuff that

 

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contributes to all kinds of Wildlife and

 

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always those an anti-hunters that jump

 

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on Hunters they have no they don't they

 

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have no idea they knew everything that

 

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that people did behind the scenes where

 

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they spend their time and money and the

 

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amount of wildlife that it helps outside

 

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of you know the few that we kill while

 

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we're

 

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hunting you Hunters do way more per

 

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animals oh man don't even get me started

 

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anti Wildlife anti hunting group has

 

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ever even thought about it's not even

 

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comparable oh man I agree I agree with

 

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you we could we could do a whole podcast

 

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series on this junk right here to deal

 

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with that crazy stuff every single day

 

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and you're and you're exactly right you

 

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know and I think most Coy Hunters are in

 

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the same frame of mind we all are you

 

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know we're not just coow Hunters we hunt

 

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a variety of different animals and we're

 

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not just Hunters we're we're

 

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conservationists as well and uh you know

 

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that's one thing to always keep in mind

 

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and and you hit the nail right on the

 

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head we do way more hunters and and

 

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conservation do way more than any

 

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anti-hunting group will ever do for uh

 

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for fish and wildlife across the country

 

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across the world no doubt about it well

 

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let's let's get let's get started on

 

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what we uh uh here to talk about as

 

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everybody already knows Tori and Tori

 

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Lan cook you know they've had a front

 

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row seat to their coyot raising multiple

 

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litters of pups so naturally Tori is a

 

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perfect guest for this topic so let's

 

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get right to it and you'll have to

 

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excuse a little bit of wind noise

 

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possibly on this podcast Tor usually

 

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records this you know out there in the

 

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out there in the elements he's dealing

 

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with a little bit of wind today but it's

 

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not too too horrible but Tori what's

 

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what's actually been going on in a ky's

 

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life over the past say two or three

 

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weeks well it's right now we're in that

 

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multiple things going on we've got

 

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Denning season with some coats just now

 

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getting pups in the ground you know some

 

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of your later born coats are in the

 

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ground in the den still in the hole and

 

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then we've got some that were born a

 

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little earlier you know maybe maybe in

 

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March that those pups are starting to

 

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come out of the ground so you've got a

 

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variety of stuff going on I would still

 

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call this portion of it the den season

 

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but we're getting ready to kind of roll

 

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over and transition from Den season with

 

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pups in the ground or staying right

 

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there at the at the Den to rolling over

 

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into some of that pup rearing time frame

 

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so it's a there's a lot of stuff going

 

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on with the coachs right now and a lot

 

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of things that we can keep in mind when

 

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we're calling them to take advantage of

 

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it right and just so everybody knows I

 

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know everybody can read a calendar but

 

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this is May 14th so people that might

 

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listen to this to this later on in a

 

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year this is May 14th um you know

 

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there's there's what you say the

 

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majority I think we always talk about

 

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this but majority of coyot pups are are

 

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usually born sometime mid April right on

 

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average across the country so

 

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yeah yeah I think the bulk of your cow

 

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pups have been born there may be a few

 

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that you know a few there's always

 

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outside to knowm but yeah your Peak your

 

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Peak is going to take place

 

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you know in in April so we got a little

 

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before some a little after right so we

 

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got coyotes that's just being born and

 

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we've got some coyot that are anywhere

 

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from three to six weeks of age then

 

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probably right y that would take in the

 

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bath that would take in the bulk yeah so

 

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Tor one big question I got for you is

 

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you know you've you've helped raise a

 

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few litters of pups along with your Co

 

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adult coyotes did any of your females

 

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adult females have any have litter of

 

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pups this year you got any coyotes after

 

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there it's got pups in the ground or

 

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coming up out of the den yeah two

 

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different ones uh Coy female named big

 

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girl has a litter of pups and then

 

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another one named fancy they both have a

 

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litter of pups and both litters were

 

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born roughly around that April 10th time

 

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frame uh I didn't find the big girl I

 

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knew she had pups she's pretty stand off

 

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it's pretty secretive uh and so is the

 

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fancy coat I found the fancy coat's

 

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litter

 

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pretty I think within a day or so of her

 

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having them and after I found that then

 

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she moved them I have since located them

 

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again and I also figured out where the

 

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big girl go is dining as well and they

 

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both have a litter of pups right now and

 

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like I said roughly born you know April

 

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10th through the 15th somewhere around

 

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in there is when I think both those

 

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batches hit the ground so they they are

 

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getting you know they're starting to

 

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come out of the de

 

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right right well that's that's uh that's

 

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great news that's that's one question

 

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I've got with uh adult coyotes I mean is

 

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it is every single adult female out

 

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there do they breed every year I mean do

 

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they do they get pups in the ground

 

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every single year is it uh is it not a

 

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certainty that every adult female you

 

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see out there might not have a litter of

 

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pups you know say your your Prime of

 

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their life two or three four year old

 

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coyes I mean is it a pretty much

 

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certainty certainty

 

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certainty that they always will breed

 

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and have a litter of pups come

 

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spring no and a lot of that has to do

 

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with the Peck and Order of the coats the

 

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age of the coats and so usually you're

 

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going to have mated pairs that are

 

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resident coats on a particular property

 

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that mated pair will have pups in that

 

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area and the other females that are in

 

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that area typically won't have pups that

 

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year and a lot of some of those Co

 

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females that don't have pups will stay

 

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on

 

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uh it could be a a lot of times it is a

 

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previous litter of pups a female or two

 

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that stay on right and stay part of that

 

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family group in that area which we kind

 

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of call helpers in the coyote Hunter

 

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world right right right and then some of

 

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them will get pushed out as transits and

 

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that's when true pup dispersal takes

 

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place those females and males will get

 

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pushed out they typically do not mate

 

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that year and they're looking for a

 

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place and usually what happens is a a CO

 

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will get killed somewhere die run over

 

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Kill by Hunter whatever happens and

 

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those gos fill in that spot or they find

 

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another loan Co Transit coat that uh

 

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that they will meet with pair up with

 

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and kind of form their own area and they

 

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will have pups in following years and a

 

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lot of your urling females even though

 

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they're they're capable of having pups

 

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they typically don't M and have pups

 

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that first year okay so there's a and

 

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I'm actually in in the future I'm

 

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playing with some stuff right now

 

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because I've been really interested in

 

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that and I'm trying to man manipulate

 

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some stuff to see how that actually

 

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works because you can have two or three

 

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females in an area that come in heat but

 

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the only one that has pups is the one

 

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that's that's mated right and so there's

 

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some some stuff that uh that I've

 

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learned from Raising coats and having

 

0:11:03.959,0:11:09.480

coats there's some things that I've

 

0:11:05.880,0:11:13.680

started figuring out about the proximity

 

0:11:09.480,0:11:16.000

of C to other CS plays a role in whether

 

0:11:13.680,0:11:18.839

or not they will mate and have pups that

 

0:11:16.000,0:11:21.399

year right so some some interesting neat

 

0:11:18.839,0:11:22.959

stuff that I'm in the early stages of of

 

0:11:21.399,0:11:27.200

playing with now that I have enough

 

0:11:22.959,0:11:29.079

coachs to to uh I guess test that stuff

 

0:11:27.200,0:11:31.360

right and you know they're they're such

 

0:11:29.079,0:11:33.160

a cool animal you know people's heard me

 

0:11:31.360,0:11:34.680

say that phrase many times but they

 

0:11:33.160,0:11:36.600

really are they're very interesting and

 

0:11:34.680,0:11:37.839

just soon as you you know a lot of times

 

0:11:36.600,0:11:40.120

you kind of think you got them figured

 

0:11:37.839,0:11:42.360

out a little bit but there's so many so

 

0:11:40.120,0:11:44.800

many unknowns out there in the in the

 

0:11:42.360,0:11:47.120

family structure and and and everything

 

0:11:44.800,0:11:48.200

else so I'm I'm pretty interested in

 

0:11:47.120,0:11:49.600

this as well so I'm going to be

 

0:11:48.200,0:11:51.320

following along with you TOR you know

 

0:11:49.600,0:11:53.279

I'll be hanging on the Hanging On The

 

0:11:51.320,0:11:54.720

Edge W know the info on that and we'll

 

0:11:53.279,0:11:57.800

definitely cover that in the future once

 

0:11:54.720,0:12:00.639

you do gather some info but um another

 

0:11:57.800,0:12:04.560

question I have when it comes to Coyote

 

0:12:00.639,0:12:08.079

litters on average how many pups does a

 

0:12:04.560,0:12:11.120

female have in a litter and is there

 

0:12:08.079,0:12:13.160

anything uh that actually dictates

 

0:12:11.120,0:12:16.160

litter size I know one thing is going to

 

0:12:13.160,0:12:19.199

be the actual health of the female of

 

0:12:16.160,0:12:21.800

the mama but uh what is what is the

 

0:12:19.199,0:12:23.320

average litter size you know since I

 

0:12:21.800,0:12:25.880

talked to you last time I actually

 

0:12:23.320,0:12:28.160

looked up several studies on that that

 

0:12:25.880,0:12:30.320

have been done and the health of the

 

0:12:28.160,0:12:31.199

female is probably number one that and

 

0:12:30.320,0:12:34.320

the

 

0:12:31.199,0:12:37.320

age they've done some pretty extensive

 

0:12:34.320,0:12:41.000

studies on C reproduction and what

 

0:12:37.320,0:12:44.680

causes a bigger or smaller litter size

 

0:12:41.000,0:12:48.440

and the the food the available food and

 

0:12:44.680,0:12:50.240

caloric intake of a c female prior to

 

0:12:48.440,0:12:52.920

and I mean this can go back as far as a

 

0:12:50.240,0:12:55.920

year or more the caloric intake and the

 

0:12:52.920,0:12:59.320

food availability of that coat female in

 

0:12:55.920,0:13:01.680

particular plays a pretty big role in

 

0:12:59.320,0:13:04.320

how many pups she'll have so on a year

 

0:13:01.680,0:13:07.360

where she's got access to more food she

 

0:13:04.320,0:13:09.639

will probably throw a bigger litter and

 

0:13:07.360,0:13:11.880

then also age a lot of times your

 

0:13:09.639,0:13:14.279

younger coats tend to have smaller

 

0:13:11.880,0:13:16.480

litters that first year not always the

 

0:13:14.279,0:13:19.279

case but tend to and then we'll have

 

0:13:16.480,0:13:22.440

bigger litters later on you know in the

 

0:13:19.279,0:13:24.920

prime of their adult life right and then

 

0:13:22.440,0:13:26.880

of course fall off as they pass that

 

0:13:24.920,0:13:28.760

that Prime of their life but for the

 

0:13:26.880,0:13:30.720

most part what I've seen the fewest

 

0:13:28.760,0:13:32.480

number of of pups that I've that any of

 

0:13:30.720,0:13:35.360

my coats have had and we've had several

 

0:13:32.480,0:13:37.880

litters now over the years the fewest

 

0:13:35.360,0:13:40.199

that I've seen were three Y and the most

 

0:13:37.880,0:13:42.839

that I've had any of them have were six

 

0:13:40.199,0:13:45.839

so and I think that you know probably

 

0:13:42.839,0:13:48.360

two to eight pups catches the majority

 

0:13:45.839,0:13:50.279

of the coats but you can have you know

 

0:13:48.360,0:13:52.320

you can have bigger or smaller lits you

 

0:13:50.279,0:13:54.880

know you may have one that that only has

 

0:13:52.320,0:13:57.000

one pup and you could have some that

 

0:13:54.880,0:13:59.480

possibly have you know I know they're

 

0:13:57.000,0:14:01.800

documented cases of goats having you

 

0:13:59.480,0:14:03.880

know a dozen pups right but I think that

 

0:14:01.800,0:14:05.759

probably that six give or take a couple

 

0:14:03.880,0:14:08.600

pups is probably your average most of

 

0:14:05.759,0:14:10.680

the time y it's great info you know

 

0:14:08.600,0:14:13.079

everybody has been in that situation

 

0:14:10.680,0:14:14.560

especially in the fall when uh when you

 

0:14:13.079,0:14:16.000

know you got a lot of coachs that come

 

0:14:14.560,0:14:18.079

to the call and they're all still in

 

0:14:16.000,0:14:20.560

their close-nit family group say like

 

0:14:18.079,0:14:23.720

September you know it's a pretty awesome

 

0:14:20.560,0:14:25.480

site when you see like five six seven

 

0:14:23.720,0:14:27.440

and sometimes even eight CS come

 

0:14:25.480,0:14:29.360

charging the call all at the same time

 

0:14:27.440,0:14:32.000

and usually what that is is those mom

 

0:14:29.360,0:14:34.600

and dad and however many pups they had

 

0:14:32.000,0:14:37.160

or maybe a helper or two like you

 

0:14:34.600,0:14:41.160

discussed before but yeah that's that's

 

0:14:37.160,0:14:42.680

pretty interesting stuff yeah yeah it is

 

0:14:41.160,0:14:45.000

and that's one of my favorite times of

 

0:14:42.680,0:14:46.680

the year to hunt is after those families

 

0:14:45.000,0:14:49.480

I call it family bust up to where

 

0:14:46.680,0:14:51.480

they're still all sharing that same

 

0:14:49.480,0:14:53.880

they're still all residents of the same

 

0:14:51.480,0:14:55.519

area but they may not be right there

 

0:14:53.880,0:14:58.639

together and you can sit down on a stand

 

0:14:55.519,0:15:01.560

and call in you know have multiple

 

0:14:58.639,0:15:02.800

calling and spaced out on that stand

 

0:15:01.560,0:15:05.519

yeah from different

 

0:15:02.800,0:15:07.880

directions yeah and that I mean if you

 

0:15:05.519,0:15:10.560

if you keep that in mind you can have

 

0:15:07.880,0:15:12.560

some really good stands that produce

 

0:15:10.560,0:15:15.240

High you know higher numbers of cows

 

0:15:12.560,0:15:16.639

killed per stand especially cows called

 

0:15:15.240,0:15:19.519

in for

 

0:15:16.639,0:15:21.000

stand and you do you know at other times

 

0:15:19.519,0:15:23.720

of the

 

0:15:21.000,0:15:25.079

year right let's since we're talking

 

0:15:23.720,0:15:27.399

about the hunting a little bit let's go

 

0:15:25.079,0:15:29.160

right along on that line uh and say if

 

0:15:27.399,0:15:31.040

we started hunting right now you know

 

0:15:29.160,0:15:32.720

you got some pups are still in a den

 

0:15:31.040,0:15:35.839

some are just now starting to come out

 

0:15:32.720,0:15:40.920

all you know really young age pups what

 

0:15:35.839,0:15:43.920

what is the chances of pup survival if

 

0:15:40.920,0:15:45.720

uh let's say if a parent is killed or it

 

0:15:43.920,0:15:47.480

say let's let's kind of do it make it a

 

0:15:45.720,0:15:50.199

two-part thing what's the what's the

 

0:15:47.480,0:15:52.759

chances of pup survival if one parent is

 

0:15:50.199,0:15:54.720

killed and what are the chances if both

 

0:15:52.759,0:15:57.600

parents are

 

0:15:54.720,0:15:59.920

killed well when they're in the hole if

 

0:15:57.600,0:16:02.800

the pups are still in the hole and you

 

0:15:59.920,0:16:04.959

kill the female the nurseing female

 

0:16:02.800,0:16:08.199

their mama if you kill her while they're

 

0:16:04.959,0:16:10.079

still in the hole they will die because

 

0:16:08.199,0:16:12.880

none of the helpers nor the male they're

 

0:16:10.079,0:16:16.319

not going to feed those pups in the Hole

 

0:16:12.880,0:16:19.839

uh there have been some a few cases

 

0:16:16.319,0:16:21.720

where a a different female has adopted

 

0:16:19.839,0:16:23.199

or even had pups in the same litter and

 

0:16:21.720,0:16:24.920

could take over that's that's pretty

 

0:16:23.199,0:16:27.040

rare typically if you kill a female

 

0:16:24.920,0:16:29.720

while they're in the hole they're G to

 

0:16:27.040,0:16:31.720

die but that window is pretty small

 

0:16:29.720,0:16:34.600

because those C pups will start emerging

 

0:16:31.720,0:16:36.240

from the den at about 3 weeks at the

 

0:16:34.600,0:16:37.800

earliest usually around that four-week

 

0:16:36.240,0:16:39.360

time frame they start coming out of the

 

0:16:37.800,0:16:42.519

hole and as soon as they start coming

 

0:16:39.360,0:16:44.480

out of the hole they're still by the den

 

0:16:42.519,0:16:47.560

they'll use the den for cover but they

 

0:16:44.480,0:16:50.399

start feeding nursing and eating

 

0:16:47.560,0:16:53.480

regurgitated food both from the adult

 

0:16:50.399,0:16:55.360

female their mama and the other coats

 

0:16:53.480,0:16:57.160

that are helping the meal any helper

 

0:16:55.360,0:17:00.639

coats that are around they will start

 

0:16:57.160,0:17:04.000

eating semisolid regurgitated food so if

 

0:17:00.639,0:17:06.360

you kill any of the adults the mama the

 

0:17:04.000,0:17:09.240

daddy one of the helpers those coats

 

0:17:06.360,0:17:12.240

still have a pretty good chance of

 

0:17:09.240,0:17:15.720

survival of course it reduces you know

 

0:17:12.240,0:17:18.160

that they they start it lowers the risk

 

0:17:15.720,0:17:21.280

of survival right but they still have a

 

0:17:18.160,0:17:23.199

very good chance of survival because as

 

0:17:21.280,0:17:25.480

long as there's an adult there to come

 

0:17:23.199,0:17:29.080

back and regurgitate food bring food

 

0:17:25.480,0:17:31.200

back to the pups then if they're out of

 

0:17:29.080,0:17:33.559

that Den they have a pretty decent

 

0:17:31.200,0:17:36.440

chance of surviving and I I actually

 

0:17:33.559,0:17:39.160

documented these were wild coats uh two

 

0:17:36.440,0:17:40.919

separate times where we went in killed

 

0:17:39.160,0:17:42.720

the female and they had little bitty

 

0:17:40.919,0:17:45.720

pups but the pups were just out of the

 

0:17:42.720,0:17:47.840

hole kill the nurse and female were able

 

0:17:45.720,0:17:50.919

to go back and in one case we kill and

 

0:17:47.840,0:17:53.160

then these are these hunts are on video

 

0:17:50.919,0:17:55.919

kill the female go back the pups and the

 

0:17:53.160,0:17:59.600

other coats are still in the area in one

 

0:17:55.919,0:18:02.440

instance kill both the the male and

 

0:17:59.600,0:18:05.039

female the parents and I was able to

 

0:18:02.440,0:18:07.600

document those go from March all the way

 

0:18:05.039,0:18:09.640

through until August and those pups were

 

0:18:07.600,0:18:11.440

St at least three of the pups I think

 

0:18:09.640,0:18:13.760

there were five to begin with at least

 

0:18:11.440,0:18:16.159

three of the pups made it all the way

 

0:18:13.760,0:18:19.200

through and there was one helper coat

 

0:18:16.159,0:18:21.320

that was left after the male and female

 

0:18:19.200,0:18:24.039

were killed there was one coat left that

 

0:18:21.320,0:18:27.240

would H with those PS and I was able to

 

0:18:24.039,0:18:29.280

keep up with those coats through howling

 

0:18:27.240,0:18:31.159

all the way through August

 

0:18:29.280,0:18:33.760

and and they made it and then we had

 

0:18:31.159,0:18:38.360

another similar instance where we killed

 

0:18:33.760,0:18:41.000

two females killed a u killed the the

 

0:18:38.360,0:18:43.240

nursing female first some people may

 

0:18:41.000,0:18:45.200

remember that hunt she comes running in

 

0:18:43.240,0:18:47.760

Tory Lynn my wife shoots her and she

 

0:18:45.200,0:18:51.280

rolls in a creek she falls in the creek

 

0:18:47.760,0:18:53.080

and that particular spot always probably

 

0:18:51.280,0:18:55.960

two weeks later we went back pups are

 

0:18:53.080,0:18:57.919

still highing and a couple of adults

 

0:18:55.960,0:18:59.559

Jason gr close my buddy from Virginia he

 

0:18:57.919,0:19:03.200

comes in

 

0:18:59.559,0:19:05.400

know we know Jason yeah Jason comes in

 

0:19:03.200,0:19:07.640

and kills another female right there on

 

0:19:05.400,0:19:10.720

top of right there out of that family

 

0:19:07.640,0:19:12.320

group Y and that male and those pups

 

0:19:10.720,0:19:14.840

stayed in that area Highland so those

 

0:19:12.320,0:19:17.360

are two separate incidents where I know

 

0:19:14.840,0:19:19.559

that the nursing female was killed in

 

0:19:17.360,0:19:21.000

the early stages when those pups were

 

0:19:19.559,0:19:23.320

just out of the den couldn't have been

 

0:19:21.000,0:19:25.679

any more than you know five six seven

 

0:19:23.320,0:19:27.600

weeks old at the most and possibly

 

0:19:25.679,0:19:30.200

younger but they were out of the den and

 

0:19:27.600,0:19:34.320

those PS were able to survive VI with

 

0:19:30.200,0:19:36.960

just one adult left in the mix so it it

 

0:19:34.320,0:19:39.799

is it is possible for you to kill as

 

0:19:36.960,0:19:42.760

long as there's an adult left you can

 

0:19:39.799,0:19:44.799

kill any mix a helper Cod and the female

 

0:19:42.760,0:19:48.559

helper Cod and the male however you want

 

0:19:44.799,0:19:51.360

to right to combo that and they can

 

0:19:48.559,0:19:56.320

survive that's one of the things about

 

0:19:51.360,0:19:59.080

about the resilience of Cs and how just

 

0:19:56.320,0:20:01.159

what survivors they are same thing with

 

0:19:59.080,0:20:03.640

getting pups you know some of the pups

 

0:20:01.159,0:20:07.480

that I've got that we raised that

 

0:20:03.640,0:20:10.240

weren't born uh from a cat that we

 

0:20:07.480,0:20:13.600

raised some of those pups still have

 

0:20:10.240,0:20:15.200

their eyes closed and this typically

 

0:20:13.600,0:20:17.280

wouldn't happen in the den but you don't

 

0:20:15.200,0:20:19.880

have to feed them a bottle they will eat

 

0:20:17.280,0:20:21.600

semisolid semisolid food you know at

 

0:20:19.880,0:20:23.600

about three weeks of age and they will

 

0:20:21.600,0:20:25.760

survive off of that no problem never

 

0:20:23.600,0:20:27.520

give them a bottle so that's that's

 

0:20:25.760,0:20:29.480

pretty crazy you know they got a a

 

0:20:27.520,0:20:32.000

strong will to survive

 

0:20:29.480,0:20:35.960

and then you know all the older cows

 

0:20:32.000,0:20:37.520

have got a strong paternal pull to them

 

0:20:35.960,0:20:39.760

to take care of the members of the

 

0:20:37.520,0:20:42.240

family and help raise those Couts help

 

0:20:39.760,0:20:46.240

raise those pups so it's that's like I

 

0:20:42.240,0:20:47.960

said they're a neat animal U one thing I

 

0:20:46.240,0:20:49.840

guess we should I should ask you because

 

0:20:47.960,0:20:53.159

I it's something I'd like to know at

 

0:20:49.840,0:20:55.320

what age does a ky pup when do they open

 

0:20:53.159,0:20:57.520

their eyes and when do they actually

 

0:20:55.320,0:20:59.320

emerge out of the hole when do they

 

0:20:57.520,0:21:02.440

actually come up out the ground out of

 

0:20:59.320,0:21:07.000

the den at what age how many weeks is

 

0:21:02.440,0:21:09.440

that usually so roughly two weeks old 14

 

0:21:07.000,0:21:11.440

15 days they'll usually start opening

 

0:21:09.440,0:21:14.919

their eyes and once they open their eyes

 

0:21:11.440,0:21:16.840

and start moving around in the den it's

 

0:21:14.919,0:21:18.840

not long after that about that three-

 

0:21:16.840,0:21:22.039

week time frame they will start crawling

 

0:21:18.840,0:21:23.840

out to the you know to the opening of

 

0:21:22.039,0:21:25.520

the den and spending time right there

 

0:21:23.840,0:21:27.480

around the opening of the den and

 

0:21:25.520,0:21:30.159

typically what happens then as soon as

 

0:21:27.480,0:21:32.440

they start coming out of that Den that

 

0:21:30.159,0:21:35.279

female no longer nurses them in the den

 

0:21:32.440,0:21:37.640

she will nurse them outside the den

 

0:21:35.279,0:21:40.400

usually only about twice a day and it's

 

0:21:37.640,0:21:43.159

almost like they use the Sun as a as a

 

0:21:40.400,0:21:46.200

clock because that female will typically

 

0:21:43.159,0:21:48.480

nurse pretty close to sunrise and sunset

 

0:21:46.200,0:21:51.320

twice a day the rest of the time those

 

0:21:48.480,0:21:55.320

pups are eating that regurgitated food

 

0:21:51.320,0:21:58.360

and that's that's why it's so you know

 

0:21:55.320,0:22:00.799

the odds are high of them surviving even

 

0:21:58.360,0:22:03.080

if if that nursing female is taken away

 

0:22:00.799,0:22:05.159

because they don't have to have those

 

0:22:03.080,0:22:07.400

two they don't have to have those two

 

0:22:05.159,0:22:08.960

nursing Times Daily to survive that's

 

0:22:07.400,0:22:11.400

just supplement right to the

 

0:22:08.960,0:22:13.400

regurgitated food so at about three

 

0:22:11.400,0:22:15.480

weeks of age is the earliest and by four

 

0:22:13.400,0:22:17.960

weeks of age there they're usually out

 

0:22:15.480,0:22:21.440

of the den and spending time around it

 

0:22:17.960,0:22:24.799

they will use that Den as security you

 

0:22:21.440,0:22:27.000

know so they're still using the den as

 

0:22:24.799,0:22:29.200

cover you know should something spoke

 

0:22:27.000,0:22:31.000

them or whatever and they'll run back

 

0:22:29.200,0:22:34.320

into the den but it doesn't take very

 

0:22:31.000,0:22:36.159

long from about four weeks on they start

 

0:22:34.320,0:22:38.679

spending more and more time out of the

 

0:22:36.159,0:22:41.880

den and pretty soon after that they'll

 

0:22:38.679,0:22:43.480

wean around seven weeks old that that

 

0:22:41.880,0:22:46.279

was going to be my next question for you

 

0:22:43.480,0:22:49.360

is is what age are they usually weaned

 

0:22:46.279,0:22:51.000

at so seven weeks you say yeah around

 

0:22:49.360,0:22:53.880

seven weeks that's what I've seen with

 

0:22:51.000,0:22:56.279

with my coach is around seven weeks she

 

0:22:53.880,0:22:57.679

tends to quit nursing them you know

 

0:22:56.279,0:22:59.240

they'll still try they're getting big

 

0:22:57.679,0:23:00.720

enough now they can kind of run chase

 

0:22:59.240,0:23:03.120

her around and they'll try to nurse with

 

0:23:00.720,0:23:05.360

her standing but as far as her

 

0:23:03.120,0:23:07.640

actually you know laying down letting

 

0:23:05.360,0:23:09.919

them nurse she's weaning them by seven

 

0:23:07.640,0:23:12.159

weeks and they're primarily eating you

 

0:23:09.919,0:23:15.039

know that regurgitated food and that

 

0:23:12.159,0:23:16.520

will continue on and as they as they

 

0:23:15.039,0:23:19.640

wean when they start getting to that

 

0:23:16.520,0:23:22.640

weaning age and older progression from

 

0:23:19.640,0:23:23.960

there they they usually abandon that den

 

0:23:22.640,0:23:26.039

and you'll hear people talking about

 

0:23:23.960,0:23:27.640

well they're Denning these Scouts are

 

0:23:26.039,0:23:29.240

dining well usually they're not dining

 

0:23:27.640,0:23:31.240

except for that short period of time

 

0:23:29.240,0:23:33.520

while the pups are in the hole actually

 

0:23:31.240,0:23:35.840

in the ground and then shortly after

 

0:23:33.520,0:23:38.760

coming out of the ground it's not long

 

0:23:35.840,0:23:40.440

before they completely abandon the den

 

0:23:38.760,0:23:42.799

and then what they start doing instead

 

0:23:40.440,0:23:45.080

of using the den for cover a lot of

 

0:23:42.799,0:23:47.080

they'll actually move away from the den

 

0:23:45.080,0:23:49.159

uh a distance and sometimes that's only

 

0:23:47.080,0:23:51.760

a few hundred yards and sometimes that's

 

0:23:49.159,0:23:53.200

a pretty big move right so if you got go

 

0:23:51.760,0:23:54.960

howling in a spot you know they're

 

0:23:53.200,0:23:57.960

dening there were dining there and then

 

0:23:54.960,0:23:59.440

all of a sudden you quit hearing cods or

 

0:23:57.960,0:24:01.919

you can't keep up with them a lot of

 

0:23:59.440,0:24:04.400

times if you start here in a group half

 

0:24:01.919,0:24:06.640

mile 3/4 mile mile away there's a good

 

0:24:04.400,0:24:09.799

chance that's that same family group of

 

0:24:06.640,0:24:14.039

cats that have just moved to a different

 

0:24:09.799,0:24:16.440

area within their overall territory and

 

0:24:14.039,0:24:18.440

that it's where they'll what I call a

 

0:24:16.440,0:24:20.480

pup rearing area okay they'll move those

 

0:24:18.440,0:24:23.240

pups away from the den and they're you

 

0:24:20.480,0:24:25.240

then they're using typically using

 

0:24:23.240,0:24:27.840

whatever the heaviest cover is for the

 

0:24:25.240,0:24:30.880

area that's usually what those pups are

 

0:24:27.840,0:24:33.799

using for cover at that time you know

 

0:24:30.880,0:24:35.480

they just run up in a in a spot and hide

 

0:24:33.799,0:24:38.320

yeah I've seen in rose bushes and

 

0:24:35.480,0:24:41.200

pasture fields on the back side of pond

 

0:24:38.320,0:24:45.039

dams and and Toler grass yeah I've seen

 

0:24:41.200,0:24:47.279

that that a bunch um one question I

 

0:24:45.039,0:24:49.880

would like to ask you to stay on that

 

0:24:47.279,0:24:52.840

same line with the dens Den sites when

 

0:24:49.880,0:24:55.200

they're actually using a den is there is

 

0:24:52.840,0:24:57.320

there any time that they'll use multiple

 

0:24:55.200,0:24:59.000

DS will they move their pups and put

 

0:24:57.320,0:25:01.440

them in another hole somewhere else is

 

0:24:59.000,0:25:03.960

there ever ever a situation with that

 

0:25:01.440,0:25:06.360

say like if somebody finds the D site

 

0:25:03.960,0:25:09.039

will they move them or do they just

 

0:25:06.360,0:25:10.720

stick to the one one den you know when

 

0:25:09.039,0:25:13.159

they're when they're little you know

 

0:25:10.720,0:25:14.480

tiny yeah they will they will move them

 

0:25:13.159,0:25:17.399

it's just like I mentioned when we first

 

0:25:14.480,0:25:20.520

started you know I I found that the

 

0:25:17.399,0:25:22.399

original D site of the fancy coat and

 

0:25:20.520,0:25:23.640

after I Disturbed it went up there and

 

0:25:22.399,0:25:25.080

you know looked and listened for the

 

0:25:23.640,0:25:27.720

pups and pulled around there a little

 

0:25:25.080,0:25:30.200

bit she moved them and most of the time

 

0:25:27.720,0:25:32.320

there's all already another Den site

 

0:25:30.200,0:25:35.000

multiple Den sites when those goats

 

0:25:32.320,0:25:36.360

start digging typically in that's why

 

0:25:35.000,0:25:37.960

you know people have listened to other

 

0:25:36.360,0:25:40.320

podcast we've done we've talked about

 

0:25:37.960,0:25:43.320

people taking advantage of denim season

 

0:25:40.320,0:25:45.799

well before the pups are actually bornn

 

0:25:43.320,0:25:48.080

and during that late February early

 

0:25:45.799,0:25:49.880

March time frame those CS will get they

 

0:25:48.080,0:25:51.840

get it on their mind it's instinctual

 

0:25:49.880,0:25:54.000

and they will a lot of times dig they

 

0:25:51.840,0:25:56.399

just go to digging even CS that are not

 

0:25:54.000,0:25:58.760

gonna have pups will dig dens that they

 

0:25:56.399,0:26:01.360

don't use but it's just something

 

0:25:58.760,0:26:04.399

instinctual about some of them and those

 

0:26:01.360,0:26:07.880

that female will a lot of times she will

 

0:26:04.399,0:26:10.399

dig multiple DS in an area and can move

 

0:26:07.880,0:26:13.480

those pups for a variety of reasons you

 

0:26:10.399,0:26:15.760

know maybe for whatever you know maybe

 

0:26:13.480,0:26:20.080

she gets Disturbed pressure from people

 

0:26:15.760,0:26:22.120

or whatever U the den size fleas you

 

0:26:20.080,0:26:24.320

know something right that she doesn't

 

0:26:22.120,0:26:27.039

like about it she will move them

 

0:26:24.320,0:26:28.559

typically to another Den that's already

 

0:26:27.039,0:26:30.480

prepared she doesn't have to go dig

 

0:26:28.559,0:26:32.919

another one now she may clean it out a

 

0:26:30.480,0:26:36.039

little bit but right she she probably

 

0:26:32.919,0:26:38.640

has multiple D sites

 

0:26:36.039,0:26:40.640

already established that she can move

 

0:26:38.640,0:26:42.679

those pups to you know should she need

 

0:26:40.640,0:26:47.120

to and I think a lot of times they they

 

0:26:42.679,0:26:49.120

do move Den um after they've used a d

 

0:26:47.120,0:26:51.559

and some sometimes it could be just

 

0:26:49.120,0:26:54.440

because they're getting that area dirty

 

0:26:51.559,0:26:56.320

you know right just gets nasty right

 

0:26:54.440,0:26:58.520

right and so she'll move them to a to a

 

0:26:56.320,0:27:00.799

cleaner spot

 

0:26:58.520,0:27:02.760

but yeah they definitely definitely move

 

0:27:00.799,0:27:04.240

ends and sometimes you have to deal with

 

0:27:02.760,0:27:05.960

that if you're hunting coats and you go

 

0:27:04.240,0:27:08.080

in and maybe you've got a pretty good

 

0:27:05.960,0:27:11.080

sized family group and you go in and and

 

0:27:08.080,0:27:13.399

hunt them this goes for dens and puppr

 

0:27:11.080,0:27:15.080

areas you go in and mess with them and

 

0:27:13.399,0:27:17.080

put a little pressure on them and then

 

0:27:15.080,0:27:18.919

you can't find those coats you may have

 

0:27:17.080,0:27:21.640

to expand your area a little bit and try

 

0:27:18.919,0:27:23.679

to get them located again and find where

 

0:27:21.640,0:27:26.159

they've moved to and sometimes that that

 

0:27:23.679,0:27:28.399

can be a a fair distance you know they

 

0:27:26.159,0:27:30.440

may even move out of hearing distance

 

0:27:28.399,0:27:32.600

from from where they were it's usually

 

0:27:30.440,0:27:33.399

not that extreme because they stay in

 

0:27:32.600,0:27:36.320

that

 

0:27:33.399,0:27:40.679

same you know that that adult pairs

 

0:27:36.320,0:27:42.640

whatever their area is they will stay

 

0:27:40.679,0:27:44.720

within the boundaries of that area but

 

0:27:42.640,0:27:47.159

they will move those pups around in it

 

0:27:44.720,0:27:50.039

right and so sometimes you have to you

 

0:27:47.159,0:27:53.039

have to try to try to relocate them if

 

0:27:50.039,0:27:54.760

you lose them because they've moved well

 

0:27:53.039,0:27:57.159

I got another question go kind of

 

0:27:54.760,0:27:58.720

backing back up a little bit we talked I

 

0:27:57.159,0:28:01.039

asked you the question about about the

 

0:27:58.720,0:28:04.399

chances of pup survival if they lost a

 

0:28:01.039,0:28:06.720

parent or lost both parents uh let's go

 

0:28:04.399,0:28:09.519

back to that one more time and and how

 

0:28:06.720,0:28:12.120

old does a c how old does a cow pup need

 

0:28:09.519,0:28:14.600

to be that it can actually survive on

 

0:28:12.120,0:28:17.000

its own say say all the adults in the

 

0:28:14.600,0:28:19.279

family group were killed Mom and Dad

 

0:28:17.000,0:28:21.080

helper if there however many helpers

 

0:28:19.279,0:28:24.559

there was say all the adults were killed

 

0:28:21.080,0:28:27.919

off how old does a cow pup need to be or

 

0:28:24.559,0:28:31.600

has to be before it can survive on its

 

0:28:27.919,0:28:33.480

own to be you know whatever age you know

 

0:28:31.600,0:28:36.120

to make it to to make it to

 

0:28:33.480,0:28:38.720

winner yeah that that's a harder

 

0:28:36.120,0:28:40.440

question to answer well I I like I like

 

0:28:38.720,0:28:43.440

making it tough on you every once in a

 

0:28:40.440,0:28:44.200

while well after they win you know after

 

0:28:43.440,0:28:47.200

they

 

0:28:44.200,0:28:48.519

win if there were no adults to help them

 

0:28:47.200,0:28:52.399

you know we're talking seven eight weeks

 

0:28:48.519,0:28:54.279

old the odds of them surviving are slim

 

0:28:52.399,0:28:56.559

but they are capable you know if there's

 

0:28:54.279,0:28:59.039

enough stuff for them to scavenge on

 

0:28:56.559,0:29:02.080

berries any kind of vegetation that they

 

0:28:59.039,0:29:04.720

could eat if there's any kind of meat

 

0:29:02.080,0:29:07.279

scraps or or you know stuff that they

 

0:29:04.720,0:29:08.799

can scavenge on then they could survive

 

0:29:07.279,0:29:09.880

if nothing else another coow or

 

0:29:08.799,0:29:13.279

something didn't come in there and catch

 

0:29:09.880,0:29:15.600

them and kill them then then they could

 

0:29:13.279,0:29:18.320

survive you know if they can find food

 

0:29:15.600,0:29:19.840

they can survive and there's you know

 

0:29:18.320,0:29:22.600

there's they eat everything you know

 

0:29:19.840,0:29:25.200

they eat berries and grass and yeah

 

0:29:22.600,0:29:28.559

vegetation and insects and whatever they

 

0:29:25.200,0:29:31.360

getou they can find yeah so

 

0:29:28.559,0:29:34.080

they could survive but I think

 

0:29:31.360,0:29:35.480

that I think the odds of them surviving

 

0:29:34.080,0:29:37.600

when they're that little if something

 

0:29:35.480,0:29:39.760

happened to all the adults is probably

 

0:29:37.600,0:29:42.880

pretty slim something else is G another

 

0:29:39.760,0:29:44.519

C or something come there and catch kill

 

0:29:42.880,0:29:47.200

because if they're not starving to death

 

0:29:44.519,0:29:49.640

that's the one thing with a ky is uh you

 

0:29:47.200,0:29:52.399

know they're pretty paternal with their

 

0:29:49.640,0:29:54.279

own you know dining group but if they

 

0:29:52.399,0:29:57.000

stumble across another set of pups

 

0:29:54.279,0:29:59.799

somewhere i' say the chance the chances

 

0:29:57.000,0:30:03.159

of them getting killed and ate are are

 

0:29:59.799,0:30:04.760

fairly high right oh yeah Bob Cats goats

 

0:30:03.159,0:30:07.120

I mean any other Predator that's not

 

0:30:04.760,0:30:09.320

part of that family group is more than

 

0:30:07.120,0:30:11.240

likely gonna eat that Coy pup just like

 

0:30:09.320,0:30:14.960

it would yeah you know just like it

 

0:30:11.240,0:30:17.919

would come to cross a rabbit um

 

0:30:14.960,0:30:20.760

but they so they could survive but I

 

0:30:17.919,0:30:24.159

think the chances are low until you know

 

0:30:20.760,0:30:26.399

if you get those C pups up to what I

 

0:30:24.159,0:30:27.519

would call that family bust up time

 

0:30:26.399,0:30:29.440

frame and a lot of people think that

 

0:30:27.519,0:30:30.840

these cow come out of the hole and as

 

0:30:29.440,0:30:32.440

soon as they can run around that they

 

0:30:30.840,0:30:34.760

just go they just

 

0:30:32.440,0:30:36.679

start going out and catching their own

 

0:30:34.760,0:30:38.519

food and that's not how it works they

 

0:30:36.679,0:30:41.200

typically don't now they'll catch little

 

0:30:38.519,0:30:43.000

stuff like Grasshoppers and yeah bugs

 

0:30:41.200,0:30:45.720

and stuff like but as far as catching

 

0:30:43.000,0:30:48.760

bigger prey you know even small rodents

 

0:30:45.720,0:30:51.679

like rats and mice and bowls and stuff

 

0:30:48.760,0:30:55.000

like that they're typically older before

 

0:30:51.679,0:30:57.240

they start actually catching live prak

 

0:30:55.000,0:30:59.480

and one thing that kind of marks that

 

0:30:57.240,0:31:01.760

time frame is when they shed those baby

 

0:30:59.480,0:31:03.760

teeth they're they're about four five

 

0:31:01.760,0:31:05.840

months old when they shed those baby

 

0:31:03.760,0:31:08.360

teeth and that's when family bust up

 

0:31:05.840,0:31:11.519

that's an indicator of family bust up up

 

0:31:08.360,0:31:14.039

like September like September time frame

 

0:31:11.519,0:31:15.679

yeah yeah August August September August

 

0:31:14.039,0:31:18.399

about the earliest and then especially

 

0:31:15.679,0:31:21.200

September it be about Peak for that yeah

 

0:31:18.399,0:31:23.679

that's when they if they can make it to

 

0:31:21.200,0:31:26.720

there then theyve they've pretty much

 

0:31:23.679,0:31:28.880

got it made they are they will start

 

0:31:26.720,0:31:30.840

certified killers in

 

0:31:28.880,0:31:32.679

that's right that's when they turn into

 

0:31:30.840,0:31:34.760

the vicious animals that they're known

 

0:31:32.679,0:31:36.919

for because they can they can make it on

 

0:31:34.760,0:31:39.320

their own then they can catch stuff they

 

0:31:36.919,0:31:41.279

they're learning how to hunt and right

 

0:31:39.320,0:31:43.600

you know they will they'll be able to

 

0:31:41.279,0:31:46.320

make it then without the adults would

 

0:31:43.600,0:31:48.679

you say function yeah would you say it

 

0:31:46.320,0:31:51.679

it's it's kind of fair to say that maybe

 

0:31:48.679,0:31:52.480

like even like the July time frame that

 

0:31:51.679,0:31:55.039

if

 

0:31:52.480,0:31:58.960

there's lots of food around say it is

 

0:31:55.039,0:32:02.559

like a big grasshopper cicada or fruit

 

0:31:58.960,0:32:04.519

year or whatever a July Coy pup could

 

0:32:02.559,0:32:06.120

probably survive on just Scavenging

 

0:32:04.519,0:32:07.399

around for the most part long as

 

0:32:06.120,0:32:10.120

something didn't kill it wouldn't you

 

0:32:07.399,0:32:12.080

think I mean far as getting enough food

 

0:32:10.120,0:32:14.480

absolutely once they're big enough that

 

0:32:12.080,0:32:17.000

they that they can run around you know

 

0:32:14.480,0:32:18.960

they get their legs up under them pretty

 

0:32:17.000,0:32:21.000

good and have a little bit of range you

 

0:32:18.960,0:32:23.799

know to where they can travel a little

 

0:32:21.000,0:32:25.840

bit then yeah I think that they can they

 

0:32:23.799,0:32:27.679

can scavenge and survive if if nothing

 

0:32:25.840,0:32:29.799

else catches and kills them that would

 

0:32:27.679,0:32:32.120

be the biggest and of course during

 

0:32:29.799,0:32:34.440

spring and summer most areas are going

 

0:32:32.120,0:32:39.240

to have plenty of food for them to

 

0:32:34.440,0:32:40.799

scavenge in vegetation whatever so yeah

 

0:32:39.240,0:32:43.399

they

 

0:32:40.799,0:32:46.519

it's I don't know of any other animal

 

0:32:43.399,0:32:49.000

that is uh is as resilient as a coow is

 

0:32:46.519,0:32:50.880

when it comes to survival right right I

 

0:32:49.000,0:32:52.519

got one more question to ask you on that

 

0:32:50.880,0:32:54.840

we pretty much already covered it but we

 

0:32:52.519,0:32:57.880

can just cover this real real quick how

 

0:32:54.840,0:33:00.039

many coyotes usually help raise uh new

 

0:32:57.880,0:33:03.039

litter of pups we know for a given it's

 

0:33:00.039,0:33:05.639

going to be a mom and dad but when it

 

0:33:03.039,0:33:08.039

does come to helpers is there generally

 

0:33:05.639,0:33:09.880

more than a one than one helper Co that

 

0:33:08.039,0:33:12.399

sticks around and helps with with a din

 

0:33:09.880,0:33:14.760

or can it be more than just uh say a

 

0:33:12.399,0:33:17.799

group of three adult cows or a group of

 

0:33:14.760,0:33:20.840

two to three can it be two additional

 

0:33:17.799,0:33:21.720

helpers at sometimes or or more is that

 

0:33:20.840,0:33:24.320

ever

 

0:33:21.720,0:33:25.880

happen I haven't witnessed it with my

 

0:33:24.320,0:33:27.960

codes I do know that there are

 

0:33:25.880,0:33:30.200

documented cases of that to where there

 

0:33:27.960,0:33:32.480

have been you know multiple adults four

 

0:33:30.200,0:33:35.440

or five adults that are participating in

 

0:33:32.480,0:33:38.159

a family group I don't think it's very

 

0:33:35.440,0:33:40.080

it's very common and I think P cow

 

0:33:38.159,0:33:43.600

populations probably contribute to that

 

0:33:40.080,0:33:46.559

a lot but uh yeah it it is possible for

 

0:33:43.600,0:33:49.559

there to be you know three four and

 

0:33:46.559,0:33:51.639

possibly more adults I mean right I know

 

0:33:49.559,0:33:53.360

you see it and uh some other people may

 

0:33:51.639,0:33:55.679

not know what they're looking at but not

 

0:33:53.360,0:33:57.880

too long ago there was a few videos

 

0:33:55.679,0:34:00.799

trail camera videos of people you know

 

0:33:57.880,0:34:02.679

posting pictures of of cows and thinking

 

0:34:00.799,0:34:04.519

man these cow pups seem awfully big must

 

0:34:02.679,0:34:06.880

have been born early but what they were

 

0:34:04.519,0:34:09.040

actually looking at was a ma pair that

 

0:34:06.880,0:34:12.040

still had two or three pups from the

 

0:34:09.040,0:34:14.240

previous litter that were still right

 

0:34:12.040,0:34:15.879

you part of that family group and

 

0:34:14.240,0:34:19.040

potentially would St you know because it

 

0:34:15.879,0:34:21.599

was time for them to have pups so the

 

0:34:19.040,0:34:25.159

the potential was there

 

0:34:21.599,0:34:28.000

for that group of adults you know yland

 

0:34:25.159,0:34:31.040

and adults to remain part of that family

 

0:34:28.000,0:34:33.240

group with the addition of PS I I know

 

0:34:31.040,0:34:35.800

it's this has been a few years ago but

 

0:34:33.240,0:34:37.560

we were hunting in Kansas uh Den SE we

 

0:34:35.800,0:34:38.919

actually were decoy dogging so you know

 

0:34:37.560,0:34:40.839

it was smack dab right in the middle of

 

0:34:38.919,0:34:43.320

the summer I think it was probably like

 

0:34:40.839,0:34:46.960

it like June or July type hunt and we

 

0:34:43.320,0:34:49.359

actually called in four actually as we

 

0:34:46.960,0:34:51.760

walked in we actually jumped up some

 

0:34:49.359,0:34:53.520

pups and it was in that time frame of

 

0:34:51.760,0:34:55.480

course the pups went in the ground this

 

0:34:53.520,0:34:57.320

was actually just in some prairie grass

 

0:34:55.480,0:34:58.320

pasture field and this little little

 

0:34:57.320,0:35:00.040

walk

 

0:34:58.320,0:35:02.920

there's two or three pups take off

 

0:35:00.040,0:35:04.520

running so we just sat down right there

 

0:35:02.920,0:35:05.960

put the call out not 20 foot in front of

 

0:35:04.520,0:35:08.640

us get the calling cuz we walked right

 

0:35:05.960,0:35:11.000

in there on that you know pup rearing

 

0:35:08.640,0:35:15.599

place you know that that area and we

 

0:35:11.000,0:35:17.079

actually called in four adult coyes um

 

0:35:15.599,0:35:21.040

and we killed two of them the two that

 

0:35:17.079,0:35:24.000

we killed were females now we know we

 

0:35:21.040,0:35:26.320

called in at least three females because

 

0:35:24.000,0:35:28.240

there was one wet female you could tell

 

0:35:26.320,0:35:29.960

because I mean she had you know teeth

 

0:35:28.240,0:35:32.440

sagging she was very visible that she

 

0:35:29.960,0:35:35.359

was nursing pups we didn't get her

 

0:35:32.440,0:35:37.880

killed but we did kill two other females

 

0:35:35.359,0:35:40.280

we killed two of the four coyotes and

 

0:35:37.880,0:35:43.160

one female was probably it was a young

 

0:35:40.280,0:35:45.599

coyote it was probably a yearling you

 

0:35:43.160,0:35:48.720

know from the from the previous litter

 

0:35:45.599,0:35:50.480

okay right but the other coyote Tori and

 

0:35:48.720,0:35:53.400

you've probably seen this before the

 

0:35:50.480,0:35:56.319

other female coyote was absolutely

 

0:35:53.400,0:35:57.839

ancient I'm talking about not a tooth in

 

0:35:56.319,0:36:00.280

her head I think she didn't have tooth

 

0:35:57.839,0:36:02.680

in her head I think she had lost one eye

 

0:36:00.280,0:36:06.760

I don't know how old she was um her

 

0:36:02.680,0:36:09.319

fangs her canines were were wore down to

 

0:36:06.760,0:36:11.760

almost nothing and her teeth in between

 

0:36:09.319,0:36:14.319

her her Kines were were non-existent it

 

0:36:11.760,0:36:16.800

was just gums so we killed like a yearin

 

0:36:14.319,0:36:19.680

from the from the previous year female

 

0:36:16.800,0:36:22.720

and then an absolute Grandma ancient

 

0:36:19.680,0:36:25.839

female kyot but the I'm pretty you know

 

0:36:22.720,0:36:29.119

the dad and the the Mama C got away from

 

0:36:25.839,0:36:31.200

us I mean they all come in they come

 

0:36:29.119,0:36:34.079

from two different direction both you

 

0:36:31.200,0:36:35.839

know two pairs of them came in and they

 

0:36:34.079,0:36:38.599

had to just be right there all four of

 

0:36:35.839,0:36:41.839

them helping raise that litter of pups

 

0:36:38.599,0:36:43.839

yeah I something I have seen as far as

 

0:36:41.839,0:36:45.440

you know actually and this may be a

 

0:36:43.839,0:36:47.960

situation what you describe may be one

 

0:36:45.440,0:36:50.680

of those situations I have seen this

 

0:36:47.960,0:36:53.920

with the coats that we've raised where a

 

0:36:50.680,0:36:55.800

litter of pups may stay on in the area

 

0:36:53.920,0:36:57.680

and that some of them don't I've seen

 

0:36:55.800,0:37:00.040

this with a couple male pups too where

 

0:36:57.680,0:37:02.480

those two mail pups were still running

 

0:37:00.040,0:37:05.280

together and they were tolerated in the

 

0:37:02.480,0:37:07.200

area yeah yeah they didn't actually help

 

0:37:05.280,0:37:09.800

they weren't actually helpers as far as

 

0:37:07.200,0:37:13.680

raising the pups but they were still

 

0:37:09.800,0:37:17.160

part of the resident CS in that area and

 

0:37:13.680,0:37:19.720

so sometimes I coachs are so you know

 

0:37:17.160,0:37:21.800

there's so many variables as to what

 

0:37:19.720,0:37:24.160

happens and right I don't think there's

 

0:37:21.800,0:37:26.599

any any definites and there's been other

 

0:37:24.160,0:37:28.680

documented cases with some things that

 

0:37:26.599,0:37:30.920

are a little bit out out of the norm for

 

0:37:28.680,0:37:33.720

what typically happens with cats so I

 

0:37:30.920,0:37:35.920

think you can have a variety of

 

0:37:33.720,0:37:38.560

situations a lot of times again I think

 

0:37:35.920,0:37:41.119

it has to do with C populations but

 

0:37:38.560,0:37:43.560

right right I think you can have and and

 

0:37:41.119,0:37:45.480

typically not always they've done DNA

 

0:37:43.560,0:37:48.280

stuff on some of these typically they

 

0:37:45.480,0:37:50.839

are related CS that are shared right you

 

0:37:48.280,0:37:54.839

know that area and you know from

 

0:37:50.839,0:37:58.319

previous lers that may be you know two

 

0:37:54.839,0:37:59.800

years or older uh it's not but it does

 

0:37:58.319,0:38:01.760

happen so I I think you could have a

 

0:37:59.800,0:38:04.319

variety of stuff especially when you're

 

0:38:01.760,0:38:06.839

calling in those big numbers I know

 

0:38:04.319,0:38:08.839

three separate occasions and uh and

 

0:38:06.839,0:38:10.480

these are on video too one of them was

 

0:38:08.839,0:38:13.560

one of the earliest hunts we ever did we

 

0:38:10.480,0:38:15.040

call in 14 coats all on video you can

 

0:38:13.560,0:38:16.960

Jason actually when he was editing the

 

0:38:15.040,0:38:20.160

video he's he's putting a counter on

 

0:38:16.960,0:38:25.000

them as they come in but we had 14 come

 

0:38:20.160,0:38:28.880

in on that stand we've had a water CS

 

0:38:25.000,0:38:31.359

yeah that's what I call him a water C he

 

0:38:28.880,0:38:34.960

as what w was for the people that don't

 

0:38:31.359,0:38:36.800

use yeah a lot it's a wallot of codes

 

0:38:34.960,0:38:38.319

and I think what we had there and if you

 

0:38:36.800,0:38:40.280

you know if you watch that video This

 

0:38:38.319,0:38:42.640

was later in summer those pups were

 

0:38:40.280,0:38:44.960

pretty good size but you they were still

 

0:38:42.640,0:38:46.400

enough you could tell the difference in

 

0:38:44.960,0:38:48.640

size of the couchs that were running

 

0:38:46.400,0:38:51.480

through you could tell that you had you

 

0:38:48.640,0:38:54.960

know probably four or five maybe more

 

0:38:51.480,0:38:59.280

adults in that group and then these pups

 

0:38:54.960,0:39:02.079

so odds are you well it's not odds it

 

0:38:59.280,0:39:03.720

definitely had to be a mated pair and

 

0:39:02.079,0:39:06.160

then some other adult CS that were

 

0:39:03.720,0:39:10.680

either staying as helpers or there that

 

0:39:06.160,0:39:13.520

were at least tolerated to stay in that

 

0:39:10.680,0:39:16.040

uh that area and they were probably pups

 

0:39:13.520,0:39:20.280

from the previous year or two's litter

 

0:39:16.040,0:39:22.760

that were you know uh family members of

 

0:39:20.280,0:39:24.920

that entire group Ken to that in some

 

0:39:22.760,0:39:26.480

way to that entire group I I'll tell you

 

0:39:24.920,0:39:28.480

something pretty interesting about that

 

0:39:26.480,0:39:31.440

stand that I just talked about there a

 

0:39:28.480,0:39:33.720

minute ago U me and you've mentioned it

 

0:39:31.440,0:39:37.160

we've mentioned this before usually like

 

0:39:33.720,0:39:39.280

if you you encounter a mean mouthy

 

0:39:37.160,0:39:41.560

Snappy Co a lot of times it's female

 

0:39:39.280,0:39:44.880

them females are man they just they're

 

0:39:41.560,0:39:47.200

mean and with this coyot stand when

 

0:39:44.880,0:39:49.000

those four adults come running in they

 

0:39:47.200,0:39:50.520

were they had a little standoff deal

 

0:39:49.000,0:39:53.200

with with the decoy dogs we had one

 

0:39:50.520,0:39:54.720

decoy dog on that hunt and but they

 

0:39:53.200,0:39:56.839

didn't spend much time there they didn't

 

0:39:54.720,0:39:58.319

want to fool to decoy dog too much three

 

0:39:56.839,0:40:01.280

of the four

 

0:39:58.319,0:40:03.880

pretty much run off went just went away

 

0:40:01.280,0:40:06.319

the one that we we killed one of them

 

0:40:03.880,0:40:10.079

but the one that really stuck around and

 

0:40:06.319,0:40:12.960

and was you know wanting to fight was

 

0:40:10.079,0:40:14.800

trying to run the dog out of the area uh

 

0:40:12.960,0:40:17.880

actually put on a show wasn't 20 steps

 

0:40:14.800,0:40:19.240

from us was that old ancient female

 

0:40:17.880,0:40:20.800

coyot I mean like I said I don't know

 

0:40:19.240,0:40:23.119

how old she was she practically come

 

0:40:20.800,0:40:28.560

running in there with a walker or a cane

 

0:40:23.119,0:40:30.920

okay but she was she Yap she h she

 

0:40:28.560,0:40:34.040

challenged she did everything in the

 

0:40:30.920,0:40:36.040

world besides eat us up on that standing

 

0:40:34.040,0:40:37.359

she was the most aggressive coyote out

 

0:40:36.040,0:40:40.720

of those

 

0:40:37.359,0:40:42.720

four yeah oh I mean without a doubt I

 

0:40:40.720,0:40:45.560

mean you know without a doubt the mean

 

0:40:42.720,0:40:48.560

is most aggressive coyot in a bunch like

 

0:40:45.560,0:40:50.680

like we've talked about before and and

 

0:40:48.560,0:40:53.280

female Coy they just like women they

 

0:40:50.680,0:40:55.520

they the meanest they got the worst

 

0:40:53.280,0:40:58.480

intentions worst

 

0:40:55.520,0:41:00.400

intentions men are men are stronger and

 

0:40:58.480,0:41:03.520

maybe capable of more damage but them

 

0:41:00.400,0:41:05.599

females have they got bad intentions and

 

0:41:03.520,0:41:08.599

they they're violent and they're pretty

 

0:41:05.599,0:41:10.440

mean yeah yeah they do more damage just

 

0:41:08.599,0:41:12.720

because they uh their intentions are

 

0:41:10.440,0:41:13.920

worse yeah we won't get too deep into

 

0:41:12.720,0:41:17.880

that because I don't want to get us in

 

0:41:13.920,0:41:20.839

trouble but but I'm right there with you

 

0:41:17.880,0:41:22.480

TOR all let's let's let's get talk we're

 

0:41:20.839,0:41:24.880

talking about calling cods a little bit

 

0:41:22.480,0:41:27.720

we'll stay right on that line uh one

 

0:41:24.880,0:41:30.880

thing that uh is new out there right now

 

0:41:27.720,0:41:33.079

is there is a new sound release from mfk

 

0:41:30.880,0:41:36.319

game calls that you you can find on the

 

0:41:33.079,0:41:39.839

gofoxpro.com website and mfk game

 

0:41:36.319,0:41:41.560

calls.com website it's a it's a new uh

 

0:41:39.839,0:41:43.800

Dent we might as well call it a dening

 

0:41:41.560,0:41:47.359

season package right it's some new pup

 

0:41:43.800,0:41:50.200

sounds and stuff like that um you don't

 

0:41:47.359,0:41:51.880

have to really cover it in detail but

 

0:41:50.200,0:41:54.960

you want to just give them a little info

 

0:41:51.880,0:41:58.119

on on the new sound release Tori yeah

 

0:41:54.960,0:41:59.839

and it is it is specific specifically

 

0:41:58.119,0:42:02.440

when I put these sounds

 

0:41:59.839,0:42:05.000

together i' had recorded from multiple

 

0:42:02.440,0:42:06.560

that it involves three separate letters

 

0:42:05.000,0:42:09.160

these sounds involve three separate

 

0:42:06.560,0:42:11.319

letters and they were specifically

 

0:42:09.160,0:42:12.760

handpicked to cover this time of the

 

0:42:11.319,0:42:16.119

year and what we've talked about in this

 

0:42:12.760,0:42:18.400

podcast both to cover you on pups that

 

0:42:16.119,0:42:20.240

are still in the ground pups that are

 

0:42:18.400,0:42:22.280

just out of the ground and even easing

 

0:42:20.240,0:42:25.160

into that pup rearing time frame when

 

0:42:22.280,0:42:28.160

your pups start going into their pecking

 

0:42:25.160,0:42:30.520

order fights start learning into how all

 

0:42:28.160,0:42:34.960

of that kind of stuff and just a a quick

 

0:42:30.520,0:42:37.400

overview of some of the sounds there are

 

0:42:34.960,0:42:40.000

several pup distress sounds well let me

 

0:42:37.400,0:42:41.280

just back up that starts with those pups

 

0:42:40.000,0:42:43.880

in the ground there's a sound called

 

0:42:41.280,0:42:47.119

Birthday litter and got milk those are

 

0:42:43.880,0:42:49.200

both pup sounds that are hungry pups in

 

0:42:47.119,0:42:50.800

the ground in the hole they are not pup

 

0:42:49.200,0:42:53.160

distress sounds so that's that's a

 

0:42:50.800,0:42:55.839

separate trigger besides you know all to

 

0:42:53.160,0:42:58.119

itself they are hungry pup sounds and so

 

0:42:55.839,0:43:00.920

that gets you started with those newborn

 

0:42:58.119,0:43:03.160

pups in the den and those sounds are

 

0:43:00.920,0:43:04.760

they do a really good job of triggering

 

0:43:03.160,0:43:08.200

those den and pairs that are in those

 

0:43:04.760,0:43:11.400

early stages and from there released

 

0:43:08.200,0:43:14.480

several different uh pup distress sounds

 

0:43:11.400,0:43:17.440

that are you know actual distress pup

 

0:43:14.480,0:43:20.599

distress sounds and they are from I made

 

0:43:17.440,0:43:22.000

sure to include several different pups

 

0:43:20.599,0:43:23.839

so if you look through those sounds

 

0:43:22.000,0:43:26.240

you'll see different names every time

 

0:43:23.839,0:43:28.079

you see a different name you can be

 

0:43:26.240,0:43:30.119

assured that that is a different pup

 

0:43:28.079,0:43:32.760

with a different voice and I also made

 

0:43:30.119,0:43:35.640

sure to pick those sounds from pups of

 

0:43:32.760,0:43:37.599

different age classes so that gives you

 

0:43:35.640,0:43:40.040

a lot more trigger options so if you're

 

0:43:37.599,0:43:41.960

on stand and you're playing you know a

 

0:43:40.040,0:43:43.599

two- week pup and you don't get a

 

0:43:41.960,0:43:45.520

response after a couple minutes you can

 

0:43:43.599,0:43:48.480

kick right over and move to a six week

 

0:43:45.520,0:43:50.559

pup or eight-week pup and you get a

 

0:43:48.480,0:43:52.240

different pup with a different voice and

 

0:43:50.559,0:43:54.200

also a different age class that will

 

0:43:52.240,0:43:56.480

give you a different Rhythm a different

 

0:43:54.200,0:43:58.280

tone because it's a different pup with a

 

0:43:56.480,0:43:59.960

different voice and that will help you

 

0:43:58.280,0:44:02.480

trigger some CS that maybe didn't

 

0:43:59.960,0:44:04.599

trigger on the first pup sound that you

 

0:44:02.480,0:44:06.480

tried and I like to run through those

 

0:44:04.599,0:44:08.040

sounds that way and from there I moved

 

0:44:06.480,0:44:10.319

right into we talking about the Peck and

 

0:44:08.040,0:44:12.400

order stuff that starts up as those pups

 

0:44:10.319,0:44:13.800

get out of the den three four weeks old

 

0:44:12.400,0:44:18.079

they go to fight and forming that

 

0:44:13.800,0:44:19.960

pecking order I in I included several

 

0:44:18.079,0:44:22.119

Peck and Order pup fights of different

 

0:44:19.960,0:44:25.559

age classes from different pups with

 

0:44:22.119,0:44:27.920

different voices uh to cover the pup

 

0:44:25.559,0:44:30.359

rearing portion and the pup early stages

 

0:44:27.920,0:44:32.760

of P pecking order those will all give

 

0:44:30.359,0:44:34.680

you another type of trigger for this

 

0:44:32.760,0:44:37.200

time of the year and then on top of that

 

0:44:34.680,0:44:40.280

I put in a couple of pup food fights and

 

0:44:37.200,0:44:42.040

those trigger for a different reason and

 

0:44:40.280,0:44:43.920

then to finish it off threw in a social

 

0:44:42.040,0:44:45.720

interaction sound I really like this

 

0:44:43.920,0:44:49.160

sound this time of the year it's called

 

0:44:45.720,0:44:50.800

Mom and Dad Den call and that that's the

 

0:44:49.160,0:44:53.400

adults we talked about earlier when

 

0:44:50.800,0:44:55.720

those pups start coming out of the den

 

0:44:53.400,0:44:57.480

and they're they come out of the den to

 

0:44:55.720,0:44:59.319

nurse and they'll come out of the den to

 

0:44:57.480,0:45:01.280

eat that regurgitated food well a lot of

 

0:44:59.319,0:45:03.520

times those pups when they're little

 

0:45:01.280,0:45:05.359

they're still using the den or even when

 

0:45:03.520,0:45:07.839

they quit using the den they're using

 

0:45:05.359,0:45:10.200

cover those adults will come in and that

 

0:45:07.839,0:45:12.760

Mom and Dad Den call is a sound that

 

0:45:10.200,0:45:15.280

those adults will make to get those pups

 

0:45:12.760,0:45:17.359

and each other to assemble so they'll

 

0:45:15.280,0:45:21.000

make that whimpering sound if you listen

 

0:45:17.359,0:45:22.640

to the sample of mom and dad Dena that's

 

0:45:21.000,0:45:25.440

what that sound is that's kind of an

 

0:45:22.640,0:45:27.160

assembly call that will call those pups

 

0:45:25.440,0:45:29.680

out of the den call them out of the hall

 

0:45:27.160,0:45:32.160

and also calls the adults will call each

 

0:45:29.680,0:45:33.920

other that way and they use it all times

 

0:45:32.160,0:45:35.520

of the year but dinning and breeding

 

0:45:33.920,0:45:38.520

season are the two times that you hear

 

0:45:35.520,0:45:40.760

that sound most y so that's one that's

 

0:45:38.520,0:45:44.040

in this pack that's a really good one to

 

0:45:40.760,0:45:47.160

have and then from there went right into

 

0:45:44.040,0:45:49.319

the pup house where those little pups

 

0:45:47.160,0:45:51.160

are just learning to how and the

 

0:45:49.319,0:45:52.640

earliest I've ever recorded one how and

 

0:45:51.160,0:45:55.040

was it about three weeks and it's

 

0:45:52.640,0:45:59.680

amazing to hear a three week old start

 

0:45:55.040,0:46:01.599

just learning yeah yeah those sounds th

 

0:45:59.680,0:46:03.359

those are not hows that you would use

 

0:46:01.599,0:46:05.640

typically to you know to try to get a

 

0:46:03.359,0:46:07.440

vocal response but they're absolute

 

0:46:05.640,0:46:09.920

Killers for calling i' say they can

 

0:46:07.440,0:46:11.480

produce a hard charger though won't they

 

0:46:09.920,0:46:13.440

oh absolutely and they will call the

 

0:46:11.480,0:46:15.040

pups and the adults and what's unique

 

0:46:13.440,0:46:16.800

about them is as those coats are

 

0:46:15.040,0:46:18.800

learning to how if you listen to these

 

0:46:16.800,0:46:20.680

sounds a lot of times it starts out with

 

0:46:18.800,0:46:23.079

them they're kind of whimpering it's

 

0:46:20.680,0:46:25.680

like a lone how it's them learning to do

 

0:46:23.079,0:46:27.559

a lone how so when they get separated or

 

0:46:25.680,0:46:29.599

off to the side they'll go to kind of

 

0:46:27.559,0:46:31.200

whimpering whining whining and all of a

 

0:46:29.599,0:46:34.640

sudden they start turning those wines

 

0:46:31.200,0:46:36.839

into house yeah it's they're Unique

 

0:46:34.640,0:46:38.839

Sounds that work really good and then I

 

0:46:36.839,0:46:41.280

throw it in there's one called bhead

 

0:46:38.839,0:46:43.800

yodel that's a little bit older age

 

0:46:41.280,0:46:45.319

class pup to get you you know just a

 

0:46:43.800,0:46:47.119

little bit deeper into it and of course

 

0:46:45.319,0:46:49.200

we'll cover p in a later date and

 

0:46:47.119,0:46:51.160

release some more sounds for that but

 

0:46:49.200,0:46:53.040

that bhead Yoda will be just a little

 

0:46:51.160,0:46:56.440

bit of progression to where they've

 

0:46:53.040,0:46:58.040

actually learned to how and uh that's a

 

0:46:56.440,0:47:00.720

good one for this time of the year and

 

0:46:58.040,0:47:02.839

then I threw in a pup serenade and that

 

0:47:00.720,0:47:05.520

it's called six pup serenade so that'll

 

0:47:02.839,0:47:07.800

give you that whole pup you know when

 

0:47:05.520,0:47:09.920

those pups are separated from the adults

 

0:47:07.800,0:47:11.720

and they're like again learning to how

 

0:47:09.920,0:47:14.440

and they're doing their group PS and

 

0:47:11.720,0:47:15.839

serenades um and it was from one of

 

0:47:14.440,0:47:18.640

those you know I told you six was the

 

0:47:15.839,0:47:21.480

most i' had was six pups in that yep

 

0:47:18.640,0:47:23.599

that's one of the six pups lits um and

 

0:47:21.480,0:47:25.359

then the other sound I threw one in

 

0:47:23.599,0:47:27.520

there I threw one prey distress in there

 

0:47:25.359,0:47:30.119

that you and I have talked about great

 

0:47:27.520,0:47:32.880

for this time of the year and it's a

 

0:47:30.119,0:47:35.160

baby dough ball and it is not a pond

 

0:47:32.880,0:47:38.119

distress it works similar it's a little

 

0:47:35.160,0:47:42.960

more subtle it's actually a newborn

 

0:47:38.119,0:47:45.760

fwn brand spanking new and she is just

 

0:47:42.960,0:47:49.240

just got the after birth off and is mute

 

0:47:45.760,0:47:51.520

hungry it's just hungry fine calling so

 

0:47:49.240,0:47:54.520

it's a pretty subtle subtle sound

 

0:47:51.520,0:47:56.359

awesome and I threw it in there because

 

0:47:54.520,0:47:58.960

something we've covered in previous

 

0:47:56.359,0:48:01.359

podcast and I'm a big believer in I

 

0:47:58.960,0:48:04.400

think those gos are a lot like bear you

 

0:48:01.359,0:48:07.280

know we we related it to Salmon Run With

 

0:48:04.400,0:48:08.800

Bear yeah yeah those bear they know it's

 

0:48:07.280,0:48:11.520

they know it's coming whether they you

 

0:48:08.800,0:48:14.040

know instinctually whether they actually

 

0:48:11.520,0:48:17.000

thinking about it or not it's

 

0:48:14.040,0:48:18.839

coming same thing even though most fawns

 

0:48:17.000,0:48:21.240

are not on the ground yet I actually

 

0:48:18.839,0:48:23.319

like to start using Fawn before The

 

0:48:21.240,0:48:25.000

Fawns get on the ground for the same

 

0:48:23.319,0:48:27.280

reason that the Bears show up to the

 

0:48:25.000,0:48:29.400

stream before the Salmon Run

 

0:48:27.280,0:48:31.040

those cows start keying on sounds like

 

0:48:29.400,0:48:32.599

that and it's not out there so when you

 

0:48:31.040,0:48:36.200

start throwing those fond distress

 

0:48:32.599,0:48:37.720

sounds out just prior to the fond drop

 

0:48:36.200,0:48:40.000

and on through the pond drop but

 

0:48:37.720,0:48:42.200

especially right now you start throwing

 

0:48:40.000,0:48:44.280

those Pond distress sounds out it it

 

0:48:42.200,0:48:46.920

accomplishes two things one the CO's

 

0:48:44.280,0:48:50.359

really key on it this time of the year

 

0:48:46.920,0:48:52.720

and it saves your prey distress sounds

 

0:48:50.359,0:48:57.000

that you would typically

 

0:48:52.720,0:48:59.040

useb yep yep yeah so I I like to use you

 

0:48:57.000,0:49:02.000

know when I'm going to mix pray sounds

 

0:48:59.040,0:49:05.359

in I like to use stuff like that because

 

0:49:02.000,0:49:08.520

those coats definitely trigger on it and

 

0:49:05.359,0:49:11.640

it's built in instinctually for them to

 

0:49:08.520,0:49:13.440

to be waiting on the opportunities to to

 

0:49:11.640,0:49:15.599

catch fonds hey all y'all out her

 

0:49:13.440,0:49:19.000

listening if you ain't got your ink pin

 

0:49:15.599,0:49:20.640

and notepad out and write notes down if

 

0:49:19.000,0:49:22.680

you ever going to write a note down off

 

0:49:20.640,0:49:26.400

his podcast it's probably a really good

 

0:49:22.680,0:49:29.119

one right there to jot down uh Tori and

 

0:49:26.400,0:49:31.480

I are are you know we to that's big on

 

0:49:29.119,0:49:34.680

saving certain sounds for certain times

 

0:49:31.480,0:49:36.520

of year and you know sounds that get

 

0:49:34.680,0:49:38.559

pounded like your bird distresses and

 

0:49:36.520,0:49:40.160

your rabbits you know if you're burning

 

0:49:38.559,0:49:41.599

them up all through spring and all

 

0:49:40.160,0:49:44.640

through summer they're not going to be

 

0:49:41.599,0:49:48.440

near as effective come say October and

 

0:49:44.640,0:49:49.880

November uh Hey play that fond to stress

 

0:49:48.440,0:49:51.480

how me I mean I don't know how many

 

0:49:49.880,0:49:53.839

dozens of coyotes I've killed off

 

0:49:51.480,0:49:55.240

fondest dresses and and and sounds like

 

0:49:53.839,0:49:56.760

you're talking about their toys so

 

0:49:55.240,0:49:59.319

people you know if you're want to mix in

 

0:49:56.760,0:50:01.240

pray to stress throw it in there this

 

0:49:59.319,0:50:03.720

time of year that fond fond distress

 

0:50:01.240,0:50:05.720

type sound that F this new fond sound

 

0:50:03.720,0:50:08.200

I'm looking forward to try this like you

 

0:50:05.720,0:50:12.119

said a little bit more subtle uh should

 

0:50:08.200,0:50:14.400

be work it should be absolute fire um it

 

0:50:12.119,0:50:16.359

worked good last spring and summer some

 

0:50:14.400,0:50:19.280

of those Tennessee hunts we were we were

 

0:50:16.359,0:50:21.799

using it then yeah and you get to watch

 

0:50:19.280,0:50:23.680

the coach trigger to it and and you know

 

0:50:21.799,0:50:25.079

you you and I both hear the people you

 

0:50:23.680,0:50:26.960

know like play the rabbit play the

 

0:50:25.079,0:50:29.319

rabbit year round it works year round

 

0:50:26.960,0:50:31.559

rabbit does work year round but if

 

0:50:29.319,0:50:33.839

you're one of those guys and like most

 

0:50:31.559,0:50:36.960

hunters are most people have limited

 

0:50:33.839,0:50:40.000

property they can home yes and so even

 

0:50:36.960,0:50:41.280

though rabbit will work year round a lot

 

0:50:40.000,0:50:42.960

of times it's a good idea if you're

 

0:50:41.280,0:50:45.319

having to hunt those properties and keep

 

0:50:42.960,0:50:48.000

them in a rotation that's a way for you

 

0:50:45.319,0:50:50.040

to to use sounds that are just as

 

0:50:48.000,0:50:52.480

effective if not more effective at

 

0:50:50.040,0:50:54.520

particular times of the year and allow

 

0:50:52.480,0:50:57.359

you to save some of those sounds so that

 

0:50:54.520,0:50:58.960

you can rotate those on your properties

 

0:50:57.359,0:51:01.359

that you're hunting you know spring

 

0:50:58.960,0:51:03.920

summer fall winter and maybe several

 

0:51:01.359,0:51:05.839

times a year right it just it works good

 

0:51:03.920,0:51:08.359

and Fonda stress is one of those sounds

 

0:51:05.839,0:51:10.920

that will work year round just like any

 

0:51:08.359,0:51:13.599

other sound it will work year round but

 

0:51:10.920,0:51:16.559

I firmly believe that that fond distress

 

0:51:13.599,0:51:18.760

is one of those sounds that has a peak

 

0:51:16.559,0:51:22.280

time that it that it works its best and

 

0:51:18.760,0:51:26.160

that is just prior to fond drop through

 

0:51:22.280,0:51:28.760

fwn drop and then it seems to not have I

 

0:51:26.160,0:51:31.319

don't as many with it and I don't use it

 

0:51:28.760,0:51:34.079

as often outside of that time frame and

 

0:51:31.319,0:51:37.319

I do think that relates back to an

 

0:51:34.079,0:51:38.839

instinctual triggering coats that

 

0:51:37.319,0:51:40.960

are

 

0:51:38.839,0:51:43.480

just there's no better way to say it

 

0:51:40.960,0:51:47.280

they are just instinctually

 

0:51:43.480,0:51:50.440

tuned to for that pawn drop time of the

 

0:51:47.280,0:51:53.559

year and so using that sound timing it

 

0:51:50.440,0:51:56.280

right helps it be more effective and

 

0:51:53.559,0:51:58.760

save some of those sounds exactly a no

 

0:51:56.280,0:52:01.960

go back to like you know just play the

 

0:51:58.760,0:52:03.799

rabbit type comments you know we

 

0:52:01.960,0:52:06.480

understand there's there's people that

 

0:52:03.799,0:52:08.359

can do that but just like Tori said if

 

0:52:06.480,0:52:10.760

if you got to rotate ground if you you

 

0:52:08.359,0:52:12.559

know if if you have a lot of hunters in

 

0:52:10.760,0:52:14.680

your area and you don't have a lot of

 

0:52:12.559,0:52:17.440

ground that you can

 

0:52:14.680,0:52:18.960

hunt you could really dictate how many

 

0:52:17.440,0:52:22.040

coyotes you going to call up throughout

 

0:52:18.960,0:52:24.079

the year on the type of sounds you play

 

0:52:22.040,0:52:25.839

and when you play them we're all the

 

0:52:24.079,0:52:27.440

time talking about sounds and sequences

 

0:52:25.839,0:52:31.119

and the reason we do it is for those

 

0:52:27.440,0:52:33.240

type of people um you know let's let's

 

0:52:31.119,0:52:35.559

put it into perspective here I live in

 

0:52:33.240,0:52:38.000

the state of Kentucky I try to stay out

 

0:52:35.559,0:52:40.799

of the city of Louisville okay I'm not

 

0:52:38.000,0:52:46.119

much on the city stuff but just for

 

0:52:40.799,0:52:48.559

example there is over 620 620 630,000

 

0:52:46.119,0:52:51.079

people uh in Louisville that's the

 

0:52:48.559,0:52:54.440

population of Louisville is around

 

0:52:51.079,0:52:57.040

625,000 people well I think if you look

 

0:52:54.440,0:52:59.640

up the state of Wyoming there ain't but

 

0:52:57.040,0:53:01.799

500 some thousand people total that live

 

0:52:59.640,0:53:03.760

in the whole state of

 

0:53:01.799,0:53:05.559

Wyoming I don't know if you people are

 

0:53:03.760,0:53:07.960

getting what I'm see what I'm getting at

 

0:53:05.559,0:53:10.640

here but there's a lot think about

 

0:53:07.960,0:53:12.160

moving right right and then like say for

 

0:53:10.640,0:53:14.400

instance say let's compare we got a lot

 

0:53:12.160,0:53:17.559

of people from Pennsylvania to listen

 

0:53:14.400,0:53:19.200

that's leown Pennsylvania is is home for

 

0:53:17.559,0:53:21.319

Fox Pro game calls that's where all of

 

0:53:19.200,0:53:23.480

your electronic game calls are made is

 

0:53:21.319,0:53:26.520

right there in leown Pennsylvania when

 

0:53:23.480,0:53:28.599

it comes opening day a deer rifle season

 

0:53:26.520,0:53:31.680

they put almost a million hunters in the

 

0:53:28.599,0:53:33.319

woods I said 1 million y'all heard me

 

0:53:31.680,0:53:35.119

right it's it's way up there I think

 

0:53:33.319,0:53:39.200

it's kind of dialed back some now but

 

0:53:35.119,0:53:41.599

it's still like 7 800,000 licensed

 

0:53:39.200,0:53:43.520

Hunter hunters from year to year in the

 

0:53:41.599,0:53:44.960

state of Pennsylvania well you can take

 

0:53:43.520,0:53:48.960

a state like North

 

0:53:44.960,0:53:50.640

Dakota and they won't have but you know

 

0:53:48.960,0:53:53.200

I had to look it up but there's I

 

0:53:50.640,0:53:55.599

guarantee you there's less total people

 

0:53:53.200,0:53:57.319

in the whole state of North Dakota than

 

0:53:55.599,0:53:59.839

there is licensed Hunters they put in

 

0:53:57.319,0:54:02.079

the woods in Pennsylvania so you see

 

0:53:59.839,0:54:03.880

what I'm saying here is you can have

 

0:54:02.079,0:54:06.960

hundreds of thousands of Acres that you

 

0:54:03.880,0:54:10.200

can hunt and you don't have too much

 

0:54:06.960,0:54:12.319

competition to go after you know you can

 

0:54:10.200,0:54:14.319

play one sound all year round and burn

 

0:54:12.319,0:54:16.160

kyotes up from January 1 all the way

 

0:54:14.319,0:54:18.040

around to December 31st but if you're

 

0:54:16.160,0:54:19.839

somebody that's in contention with a lot

 

0:54:18.040,0:54:21.680

of more a lot of other hunters and you

 

0:54:19.839,0:54:24.000

got limited ground you can hunt you

 

0:54:21.680,0:54:26.480

better pay attention what sound you run

 

0:54:24.000,0:54:28.040

at certain times of year it can really

 

0:54:26.480,0:54:29.720

really make a difference in how many

 

0:54:28.040,0:54:30.319

cows you going to call up save you a lot

 

0:54:29.720,0:54:32.240

of

 

0:54:30.319,0:54:34.480

headache I don't know if I made any

 

0:54:32.240,0:54:37.160

sense with all that yeah yeah I mean

 

0:54:34.480,0:54:38.799

that's yeah yeah 100% I mean if you've

 

0:54:37.160,0:54:42.160

got competition you've got limited

 

0:54:38.799,0:54:45.400

ground you have to you have to rotate a

 

0:54:42.160,0:54:48.480

lot of things and and if you and nothing

 

0:54:45.400,0:54:50.520

keeps you if you are some that has a lot

 

0:54:48.480,0:54:52.799

of confidence in a particular rabbit

 

0:54:50.520,0:54:54.400

sound there's nothing that keeps you

 

0:54:52.799,0:54:56.520

let's say you you know that there are

 

0:54:54.400,0:54:57.920

cods there and you've went through some

 

0:54:56.520,0:55:00.480

The Sounds we've talked about you've

 

0:54:57.920,0:55:02.760

played that newborn fwn sound baby

 

0:55:00.480,0:55:04.680

doughball you played that and you hadn't

 

0:55:02.760,0:55:08.040

called a code up there's nothing it

 

0:55:04.680,0:55:10.319

keeps you from throwing your your go-to

 

0:55:08.040,0:55:12.599

rabbit sound at them if you want to any

 

0:55:10.319,0:55:15.400

time of the year but if you can call

 

0:55:12.599,0:55:18.040

those CS up on especially limited

 

0:55:15.400,0:55:21.160

property if you can call those CS up

 

0:55:18.040,0:55:23.280

during the Spring and Summer with a fond

 

0:55:21.160,0:55:25.400

distress sound or a [ __ ] sound or some

 

0:55:23.280,0:55:29.799

of these pup sounds young age class pup

 

0:55:25.400,0:55:32.440

sounds that keeps that window open later

 

0:55:29.799,0:55:34.599

in the year for other sounds that you

 

0:55:32.440,0:55:36.079

haven't played so you could you can

 

0:55:34.599,0:55:37.760

still throw that sound out there it's

 

0:55:36.079,0:55:39.400

not gonna hurt anything to follow it if

 

0:55:37.760,0:55:41.000

you just if you think that might make

 

0:55:39.400,0:55:42.720

the difference but if you can kill the

 

0:55:41.000,0:55:44.760

cow earlier in the stand on a different

 

0:55:42.720,0:55:46.920

sound you can keep your favorite rabbit

 

0:55:44.760,0:55:49.599

in your pocket for a different stand

 

0:55:46.920,0:55:52.480

later in the year or whenever so that's

 

0:55:49.599,0:55:54.520

that's kind of how I I try to think

 

0:55:52.480,0:55:56.960

about stuff like that and

 

0:55:54.520,0:55:59.160

strategize my property and where I'm

 

0:55:56.960,0:56:01.039

hunting and and make the most of the

 

0:55:59.160,0:56:03.359

sounds that I have access to the

 

0:56:01.039,0:56:06.559

property I have access to and that way I

 

0:56:03.359,0:56:07.920

can overall throughout the entire year

 

0:56:06.559,0:56:10.400

if I'm hitting some of these places more

 

0:56:07.920,0:56:12.480

than once right hopefully that allows me

 

0:56:10.400,0:56:15.720

to to have a bigger pile at the end of

 

0:56:12.480,0:56:17.760

the year because I've saved some of

 

0:56:15.720,0:56:19.880

those sounds for specific times of the

 

0:56:17.760,0:56:22.000

year and others for other times of the

 

0:56:19.880,0:56:24.039

year right just keeps kind of keeps your

 

0:56:22.000,0:56:25.680

C's ears fresh so to speak even though

 

0:56:24.039,0:56:26.760

you may be calling that property

 

0:56:25.680,0:56:30.720

multiple times

 

0:56:26.760,0:56:32.640

exactly exactly and and go off what I

 

0:56:30.720,0:56:34.359

just said there earlier it kind of got

 

0:56:32.640,0:56:38.119

my mind thinking and I'm not picking on

 

0:56:34.359,0:56:40.760

The Dakotas or any other states but um

 

0:56:38.119,0:56:44.599

population of South Dakota is 999,000

 

0:56:40.760,0:56:48.799

people population of North Dakota is 779

 

0:56:44.599,0:56:48.799

th000 people Wyoming is

 

0:56:54.319,0:56:58.240

581,000 million people

 

0:56:58.839,0:57:02.160

and you see there's just a difference

 

0:57:00.920,0:57:04.079

when it comes to these some of these

 

0:57:02.160,0:57:05.280

states and what you know cuz if you

 

0:57:04.079,0:57:06.559

usually if you have more people you

 

0:57:05.280,0:57:09.680

going to have more hunters and like I

 

0:57:06.559,0:57:15.200

said I know let's say North Dakota here

 

0:57:09.680,0:57:15.200

it's got 780,000 people there 779-2628

 

0:57:26.280,0:57:31.599

start factoring in the C population in

 

0:57:28.680,0:57:33.520

those areas versus the human population

 

0:57:31.599,0:57:35.720

and the habitat then the area that

 

0:57:33.520,0:57:39.839

you've got to hunt all of those things

 

0:57:35.720,0:57:41.799

factor in to your calling strategy for

 

0:57:39.839,0:57:44.160

different areas and there are some

 

0:57:41.799,0:57:45.880

places where you have a higher C if

 

0:57:44.160,0:57:48.400

you've got a place that's got a high C

 

0:57:45.880,0:57:50.440

population and a low human population

 

0:57:48.400,0:57:52.680

and you've got access to unlimited

 

0:57:50.440,0:57:55.039

ground you can basically do whatever you

 

0:57:52.680,0:57:56.680

want to and stay on codes all year long

 

0:57:55.039,0:57:59.880

if you've got

 

0:57:56.680,0:58:03.160

a high human population especially

 

0:57:59.880,0:58:07.839

Hunter population in competition and a

 

0:58:03.160,0:58:09.799

lower code density and less ground then

 

0:58:07.839,0:58:11.520

the strategy for the sounds you use and

 

0:58:09.799,0:58:13.240

the way you go about making stands

 

0:58:11.520,0:58:15.400

throughout the year you've got to put a

 

0:58:13.240,0:58:18.359

little more thought into that to stay

 

0:58:15.400,0:58:20.200

successful all year long exactly I'm

 

0:58:18.359,0:58:21.720

glad you said it that way I was kind of

 

0:58:20.200,0:58:23.720

that's what I was trying to get at

 

0:58:21.720,0:58:25.400

perfect hey we make pretty good team

 

0:58:23.720,0:58:27.920

Tory cook that's exactly what I was

 

0:58:25.400,0:58:30.240

trying to get at and just and and me

 

0:58:27.920,0:58:32.280

saying this guys if you're from North

 

0:58:30.240,0:58:35.440

Dakota if you're from South Dakota I'm

 

0:58:32.280,0:58:37.720

not I love The Dakotas I was on a corner

 

0:58:35.440,0:58:39.880

of South Dakota just last week can't

 

0:58:37.720,0:58:42.880

wait to go back I love those States I

 

0:58:39.880,0:58:47.119

was in Wyoming all week last week um

 

0:58:42.880,0:58:52.079

love the states I'm not I'm not a

 

0:58:47.119,0:58:55.119

um uh federal census data

 

0:58:52.079,0:58:56.720

gatherer for PO for human populations or

 

0:58:55.119,0:58:58.079

nothing like that it's just you know

 

0:58:56.720,0:59:00.160

something that popped in my mind when we

 

0:58:58.079,0:59:02.200

got to talk about you know the sounds

 

0:59:00.160,0:59:04.079

and saving sounds and why it would be a

 

0:59:02.200,0:59:05.839

good idea that versus somebody that says

 

0:59:04.079,0:59:08.520

just play the rabbit so that's that's

 

0:59:05.839,0:59:10.440

the background on saying that um you

 

0:59:08.520,0:59:13.559

know it just think about it it makes

 

0:59:10.440,0:59:16.599

sense it makes sense one one more point

 

0:59:13.559,0:59:19.079

to to that we' both talked about

 

0:59:16.599,0:59:20.480

before if you or I either one go hunt

 

0:59:19.079,0:59:21.880

somewhere else we go to a different

 

0:59:20.480,0:59:23.839

state we go to a different area and

 

0:59:21.880,0:59:26.319

there's a guy out there that is is a

 

0:59:23.839,0:59:28.319

successful Hunter and I listen to what

 

0:59:26.319,0:59:30.680

he says if he says hey man we can go out

 

0:59:28.319,0:59:32.000

and we can smash coats all day long all

 

0:59:30.680,0:59:34.760

year round and all we've got to do is

 

0:59:32.000,0:59:38.799

play the rabbit then I'm all far

 

0:59:34.760,0:59:41.520

going all day long that at all but if

 

0:59:38.799,0:59:43.880

somebody were to come here and let's say

 

0:59:41.520,0:59:45.799

they come from that area to here I would

 

0:59:43.880,0:59:48.200

hope that they would have think enough

 

0:59:45.799,0:59:50.799

of of My Success or your success in your

 

0:59:48.200,0:59:52.480

area you know to if I say hey we

 

0:59:50.799,0:59:54.599

probably need to ride around tonight the

 

0:59:52.480,0:59:56.839

cow population is not very good here

 

0:59:54.599,0:59:58.559

it's kind of sparse let's ride around

 

0:59:56.839,1:00:00.799

and get us some spots for in the morning

 

0:59:58.559,1:00:02.480

where we know we're calling coats and

 

1:00:00.799,1:00:04.200

then we'll go in there and we'll we'll

 

1:00:02.480,1:00:07.240

play some sounds that will hopefully

 

1:00:04.200,1:00:09.680

hold us over for a period of time I hope

 

1:00:07.240,1:00:11.559

that they would respect my success

 

1:00:09.680,1:00:13.280

enough to listen to me should they come

 

1:00:11.559,1:00:16.160

here and that's one of the things that

 

1:00:13.280,1:00:19.960

that I see online sometimes with people

 

1:00:16.160,1:00:23.240

using what works in their area and you

 

1:00:19.960,1:00:25.240

know trying to to make that the one way

 

1:00:23.240,1:00:27.000

to do it year round you don't have to

 

1:00:25.240,1:00:29.559

locate

 

1:00:27.000,1:00:31.720

yeah there's you see people argue over a

 

1:00:29.559,1:00:33.400

lot of different stuff and I'm I have

 

1:00:31.720,1:00:36.799

hunted enough different areas with

 

1:00:33.400,1:00:39.440

enough successful coow Hunters to when I

 

1:00:36.799,1:00:41.960

go to their area and they're successful

 

1:00:39.440,1:00:44.240

I shut up and listen and learn from what

 

1:00:41.960,1:00:46.039

they do in their area and I just add

 

1:00:44.240,1:00:50.119

that so if I ever go back and Hunt that

 

1:00:46.039,1:00:52.240

area by myself or whatever I'm I know

 

1:00:50.119,1:00:54.119

what works there yeah and same thing if

 

1:00:52.240,1:00:55.400

they come to your area or my area you

 

1:00:54.119,1:00:59.319

know you can pick up different

 

1:00:55.400,1:01:04.440

strategies that work well in different

 

1:00:59.319,1:01:07.520

areas of the of the US or world and

 

1:01:04.440,1:01:10.119

apply that when you're in those Chang in

 

1:01:07.520,1:01:13.119

human populations cow populations land

 

1:01:10.119,1:01:15.160

access all of those things

 

1:01:13.119,1:01:18.000

Factor kind of give me an idea for

 

1:01:15.160,1:01:19.720

another podcast we can make again we can

 

1:01:18.000,1:01:21.839

make a whole podcast series out of this

 

1:01:19.720,1:01:24.559

and you spot on your spot on it's like

 

1:01:21.839,1:01:26.720

you know me saying you know North Dakota

 

1:01:24.559,1:01:29.000

780,000 people there if I went up par

 

1:01:26.720,1:01:31.440

hunted with you know somebody I know in

 

1:01:29.000,1:01:32.799

North Dakota and you know they said you

 

1:01:31.440,1:01:34.119

know how's your season been going I said

 

1:01:32.799,1:01:36.680

I've been going pretty good been burn

 

1:01:34.119,1:01:38.000

them up on this and they say well all we

 

1:01:36.680,1:01:40.039

got to do up here we're just going to

 

1:01:38.000,1:01:41.319

pour Lightning Jack to them you know I'm

 

1:01:40.039,1:01:43.240

just pulling the sound out of the air

 

1:01:41.319,1:01:45.319

I'm just going to hand on the remote

 

1:01:43.240,1:01:46.880

let's do it let's pour it on them and

 

1:01:45.319,1:01:48.160

I'll be confident because I know they

 

1:01:46.880,1:01:49.119

know what you're talking about you know

 

1:01:48.160,1:01:50.720

I'm not going to go up there and

 

1:01:49.119,1:01:53.160

somebody else's back yard and telling me

 

1:01:50.720,1:01:56.440

what they you know you've got to do this

 

1:01:53.160,1:01:59.119

if you want to call coyes so no I I on I

 

1:01:56.440,1:02:01.200

think you was that's perfect perfect

 

1:01:59.119,1:02:04.760

yeah yeah that's

 

1:02:01.200,1:02:06.279

uh it is and I think we I hope we done I

 

1:02:04.760,1:02:09.319

hope that came across the way we wanted

 

1:02:06.279,1:02:12.480

it to I mean we're just trying to I'm

 

1:02:09.319,1:02:14.960

always man I bet I I bet I made somebody

 

1:02:12.480,1:02:17.079

mad saying that but I don't mean nothing

 

1:02:14.960,1:02:20.799

by it if I do you know it's it's just

 

1:02:17.079,1:02:23.839

trying to make a point um you know cuz I

 

1:02:20.799,1:02:25.400

see we go to Pennsylvania a lot you know

 

1:02:23.839,1:02:27.240

of course that's where headquarters is

 

1:02:25.400,1:02:28.799

and we do a couple big shows up there

 

1:02:27.240,1:02:31.039

one of them's the Harrisburg show and

 

1:02:28.799,1:02:33.079

there's just so many Hunters that come

 

1:02:31.039,1:02:34.880

through there if you all have never been

 

1:02:33.079,1:02:36.760

been to the Harrisburg Pennsylvania show

 

1:02:34.880,1:02:39.160

the Great American outdoor show if you

 

1:02:36.760,1:02:41.599

want to figure out how many hunters and

 

1:02:39.160,1:02:44.279

fishermen can and women can be in the

 

1:02:41.599,1:02:45.920

same area it'll it'll it'll shock you

 

1:02:44.279,1:02:48.079

because I've been to every other sport

 

1:02:45.920,1:02:49.640

show all across the country from one

 

1:02:48.079,1:02:53.000

Coast to the other north to south I've

 

1:02:49.640,1:02:54.000

been to them all and it's pretty crazy

 

1:02:53.000,1:02:56.599

how many

 

1:02:54.000,1:02:58.279

hunters and uh

 

1:02:56.599,1:03:00.440

you know people love the fish and other

 

1:02:58.279,1:03:02.480

outdoor types said come through that D

 

1:03:00.440,1:03:04.960

on show and then that's all the

 

1:03:02.480,1:03:06.079

questions that they come ask and you

 

1:03:04.960,1:03:07.599

know they'll start asking me about

 

1:03:06.079,1:03:08.920

sounds and sequences well how you

 

1:03:07.599,1:03:10.640

calling those many coyes up how you

 

1:03:08.920,1:03:12.400

doing this how you doing that and I get

 

1:03:10.640,1:03:14.520

to talk to them and I see them like they

 

1:03:12.400,1:03:17.359

just like start staring a hole through

 

1:03:14.520,1:03:18.599

you and you're like you know you start

 

1:03:17.359,1:03:20.799

asking them questions well how much

 

1:03:18.599,1:03:23.559

ground you got to hunt you know they be

 

1:03:20.799,1:03:26.079

like well I got a 25 acre piece here it

 

1:03:23.559,1:03:28.119

belongs to my grandma and I got Uncle

 

1:03:26.079,1:03:30.119

Joe's Place down the road he's got 11

 

1:03:28.119,1:03:33.279

acres behind his house and I got one 80

 

1:03:30.119,1:03:34.880

acre cattle farm and it puts things into

 

1:03:33.279,1:03:36.200

perspective for you you know CU some

 

1:03:34.880,1:03:38.760

people are a little bit more blessed

 

1:03:36.200,1:03:40.599

with with ground theun and you gota

 

1:03:38.760,1:03:44.599

you've got

 

1:03:40.599,1:03:47.079

to it changes what my answer will be on

 

1:03:44.599,1:03:50.160

specific topics for those people

 

1:03:47.079,1:03:52.000

compared to somebody that has thousands

 

1:03:50.160,1:03:53.880

of acres to hunt or almost endless

 

1:03:52.000,1:03:55.279

ground and you know and plus he's

 

1:03:53.880,1:03:57.319

talking to guys tell you say well you

 

1:03:55.279,1:04:00.119

know on on Uncle Joe's Place stand 11

 

1:03:57.319,1:04:03.119

acres you know both both you know

 

1:04:00.119,1:04:04.920

neighbors they hunt and uh cousin hunts

 

1:04:03.119,1:04:06.799

and his buddy comes there and hunt you

 

1:04:04.920,1:04:09.599

they might be there might be half a

 

1:04:06.799,1:04:11.480

dozen people that hunt 11 acres so you

 

1:04:09.599,1:04:12.799

know it's just different in different

 

1:04:11.480,1:04:14.359

places and you know I got a lot of

 

1:04:12.799,1:04:16.680

respect for everybody in every state

 

1:04:14.359,1:04:18.200

that hunts and and all those situations

 

1:04:16.680,1:04:19.799

you know I got just as much respect for

 

1:04:18.200,1:04:21.880

those people it's got three properties

 

1:04:19.799,1:04:25.319

and the biggest one's 80 acres as I do

 

1:04:21.880,1:04:27.000

somebody's got 800,000 Acres um you know

 

1:04:25.319,1:04:28.480

usually those guys that got 800,000

 

1:04:27.000,1:04:31.240

Acres probably going to be killing more

 

1:04:28.480,1:04:32.839

coyotes um they better be killing more

 

1:04:31.240,1:04:35.279

coyotes if

 

1:04:32.839,1:04:37.119

not we might need to sit you down and

 

1:04:35.279,1:04:39.039

have some intervention talk with you so

 

1:04:37.119,1:04:41.359

we can figure things out but you know

 

1:04:39.039,1:04:43.599

like I said just got respect for for for

 

1:04:41.359,1:04:46.240

everybody in whatever situation are in

 

1:04:43.599,1:04:49.160

we're all in this together um let's move

 

1:04:46.240,1:04:51.880

on that's enough about

 

1:04:49.160,1:04:54.359

that we like I said we can do all kinds

 

1:04:51.880,1:04:56.799

of podcasts on this but let's get back

 

1:04:54.359,1:04:59.359

to the coy calling one thing that I want

 

1:04:56.799,1:05:02.119

to cover and this is this is a kind of a

 

1:04:59.359,1:05:04.400

dumb question uh anybody hunts this time

 

1:05:02.119,1:05:07.920

of year knows how Dynamite it can be but

 

1:05:04.400,1:05:09.480

Tori how susceptible are coyotes coling

 

1:05:07.920,1:05:13.039

this this time of year you know say

 

1:05:09.480,1:05:14.240

through miday through first couple weeks

 

1:05:13.039,1:05:17.079

of

 

1:05:14.240,1:05:19.160

June well right now and I I've actually

 

1:05:17.079,1:05:22.599

got a couple of examples that I can tie

 

1:05:19.160,1:05:24.839

to this too right now it could be either

 

1:05:22.599,1:05:26.880

or you could have you could just have

 

1:05:24.839,1:05:28.839

blank after blank can't get on couchs

 

1:05:26.880,1:05:30.839

I'm seeing posts like this on Facebook

 

1:05:28.839,1:05:32.440

regular you know people are struggling

 

1:05:30.839,1:05:34.359

then you got other people that are just

 

1:05:32.440,1:05:36.279

smashing them you know hard Chargers

 

1:05:34.359,1:05:37.680

running right over the top of them and

 

1:05:36.279,1:05:41.200

this is that time of the year where

 

1:05:37.680,1:05:44.559

you're still the area that you're in if

 

1:05:41.200,1:05:47.559

you're not on top of dening coats pretty

 

1:05:44.559,1:05:49.319

tight to them your your success can be

 

1:05:47.559,1:05:51.599

limited because you may just not be

 

1:05:49.319,1:05:54.960

close enough to the coats in your

 

1:05:51.599,1:05:57.839

area if you are pretty close to them and

 

1:05:54.960,1:06:00.160

you can have some hard charging fast

 

1:05:57.839,1:06:03.319

Dynamite stands so a lot of it's just

 

1:06:00.160,1:06:05.240

proximity to to the bulk of the couch

 

1:06:03.319,1:06:07.599

now you can go out and make blind stands

 

1:06:05.240,1:06:09.640

and you may call in a a transient cat

 

1:06:07.599,1:06:11.599

that has nothing to do with Denning

 

1:06:09.640,1:06:13.799

you're gonna have some of that you know

 

1:06:11.599,1:06:16.440

but for the most part you're dealing

 

1:06:13.799,1:06:19.599

with a a large portion of the population

 

1:06:16.440,1:06:21.599

of cow are at some stage of what would

 

1:06:19.599,1:06:24.760

still be the early Denon portion of

 

1:06:21.599,1:06:27.640

their life cycle and with that you you

 

1:06:24.760,1:06:28.880

know if you can find coats and you know

 

1:06:27.640,1:06:31.559

where they're at and you get in there

 

1:06:28.880,1:06:34.440

pretty tight to them your odds of

 

1:06:31.559,1:06:37.279

success are are pretty high

 

1:06:34.440,1:06:40.400

and at the same time if you're just

 

1:06:37.279,1:06:42.480

making blind stands or you don't know

 

1:06:40.400,1:06:47.119

exactly where those coach are at and

 

1:06:42.480,1:06:48.599

you're you know you're not within a

 

1:06:47.119,1:06:51.119

comfortable range for them to come to

 

1:06:48.599,1:06:53.920

the call they may not show up and you

 

1:06:51.119,1:06:56.279

also could have trouble hearing CS right

 

1:06:53.920,1:06:57.960

now if you're trying to locate you could

 

1:06:56.279,1:07:00.000

have trouble hearing CS if you're not

 

1:06:57.960,1:07:01.520

getting close enough and then again at

 

1:07:00.000,1:07:04.039

the same time if you are getting close

 

1:07:01.520,1:07:07.640

enough you can locate CS easily I'm

 

1:07:04.039,1:07:09.240

seeing some of that scattered out across

 

1:07:07.640,1:07:10.799

Facebook right now with people making

 

1:07:09.240,1:07:13.079

posts some people are having trouble

 

1:07:10.799,1:07:15.400

hearing coats and calling coats and

 

1:07:13.079,1:07:17.599

other people are doing pretty good uh so

 

1:07:15.400,1:07:19.960

it's you're getting to that time frame

 

1:07:17.599,1:07:22.279

to where every day that passes it's

 

1:07:19.960,1:07:24.319

going to become easier to locate those

 

1:07:22.279,1:07:26.119

Coates get in close to them the range

 

1:07:24.319,1:07:27.799

that they will come to the call

 

1:07:26.119,1:07:29.640

also increases a little bit because

 

1:07:27.799,1:07:30.920

those pups are getting out of the den

 

1:07:29.640,1:07:33.400

and starting to get a little bit of

 

1:07:30.920,1:07:35.599

range on them so there's there's a

 

1:07:33.400,1:07:38.559

variety of that going on and the

 

1:07:35.599,1:07:40.799

examples that I was going to use just

 

1:07:38.559,1:07:42.000

before if you if you'd called just a

 

1:07:40.799,1:07:44.319

little bit earlier you probably could

 

1:07:42.000,1:07:47.359

have heard them just before you called a

 

1:07:44.319,1:07:49.960

group of Cs they were some of the mfk Cs

 

1:07:47.359,1:07:51.760

that are not dening one of them how and

 

1:07:49.960,1:07:53.920

two three CS answered in the black of

 

1:07:51.760,1:07:56.680

woods awesome well I wish I heard this

 

1:07:53.920,1:07:59.960

is happen yeah this is

 

1:07:56.680,1:08:01.880

happened over the last month or so that

 

1:07:59.960,1:08:03.520

fancy coat and big girl coat they're

 

1:08:01.880,1:08:04.799

both Denon they both have pups in the

 

1:08:03.520,1:08:07.440

ground of course they've got a mail with

 

1:08:04.799,1:08:10.760

them there too both of them do I have

 

1:08:07.440,1:08:12.920

not heard those coats how now fancy has

 

1:08:10.760,1:08:14.480

finally started coming back up and i'

 

1:08:12.920,1:08:16.000

I've videoed her a little bit the last

 

1:08:14.480,1:08:18.920

couple days she has finally started

 

1:08:16.000,1:08:20.560

coming back up uh eating right there

 

1:08:18.920,1:08:22.520

close to the house where we throw some

 

1:08:20.560,1:08:23.880

scraps and food table scraps and stuff

 

1:08:22.520,1:08:26.040

like that she'll slip up there and get

 

1:08:23.880,1:08:27.640

them she didn't come

 

1:08:26.040,1:08:30.040

she didn't come up there for quite a

 

1:08:27.640,1:08:33.000

while either she has started coming up

 

1:08:30.040,1:08:36.359

there but those goats did not answer I

 

1:08:33.000,1:08:38.880

have not heard them how since February

 

1:08:36.359,1:08:40.880

they're just completely nonvocal right

 

1:08:38.880,1:08:43.000

now and that's because they've got those

 

1:08:40.880,1:08:44.839

little pups in the ground or just out of

 

1:08:43.000,1:08:47.199

the ground now just any anytime here

 

1:08:44.839,1:08:50.159

they're going to start cranking up so so

 

1:08:47.199,1:08:53.239

in other words they're not near as vocal

 

1:08:50.159,1:08:55.960

right now but give it give it a couple

 

1:08:53.239,1:08:58.319

three or four weeks and is probably

 

1:08:55.960,1:09:01.560

going to really start up with with

 

1:08:58.319,1:09:03.400

vocalizations being able to uh locate

 

1:09:01.560,1:09:05.000

better and have coyes how back you just

 

1:09:03.400,1:09:07.480

on a coyot stands what what you're

 

1:09:05.000,1:09:09.199

saying right more and more will become

 

1:09:07.480,1:09:10.520

vocal there are some that are vocal now

 

1:09:09.199,1:09:12.319

you know some of the ones that are that

 

1:09:10.520,1:09:14.799

are a little bit earlier and if you're

 

1:09:12.319,1:09:16.480

close enough too you know if you were

 

1:09:14.799,1:09:18.679

where these CS are dening at they're in

 

1:09:16.480,1:09:21.000

a completely separate block pretty good

 

1:09:18.679,1:09:23.040

ways away but they can hear those and

 

1:09:21.000,1:09:25.000

typically they would they would answer

 

1:09:23.040,1:09:26.719

right or I could make them answer but

 

1:09:25.000,1:09:28.799

right now I if I were going to try to

 

1:09:26.719,1:09:31.279

make those C I would probably have to

 

1:09:28.799,1:09:33.920

get inside that block with them or right

 

1:09:31.279,1:09:36.480

on the edge of it and I could probably

 

1:09:33.920,1:09:38.359

to and if they howed it wouldn't be your

 

1:09:36.480,1:09:40.480

typical it would probably be they would

 

1:09:38.359,1:09:41.759

do a bunch of barking and challenge you

 

1:09:40.480,1:09:45.799

know you could tell that they're

 

1:09:41.759,1:09:47.960

agitated you know work up type so people

 

1:09:45.799,1:09:51.520

can get some vocal response right now if

 

1:09:47.960,1:09:53.719

they're close enough to a den in pair or

 

1:09:51.520,1:09:55.440

if those pups are old enough that

 

1:09:53.719,1:09:57.159

they're starting to learn how you can

 

1:09:55.440,1:09:59.280

start getting some responses right now

 

1:09:57.159,1:10:01.679

but you still got a portion of them that

 

1:09:59.280,1:10:03.960

are not yet very vocal so you could run

 

1:10:01.679,1:10:05.800

into a little bit of that and then I

 

1:10:03.960,1:10:08.040

I'll give you another this is a really

 

1:10:05.800,1:10:09.840

something really interesting I've got a

 

1:10:08.040,1:10:12.159

buddy that's got he does some deer

 

1:10:09.840,1:10:14.560

tracking thermal drone stuff and he Co

 

1:10:12.159,1:10:16.560

hunts as well well he's been going out

 

1:10:14.560,1:10:18.560

locating the last couple nights and he

 

1:10:16.560,1:10:20.640

has he knew where some of these Coots

 

1:10:18.560,1:10:22.520

were from flying his drone knew where

 

1:10:20.640,1:10:24.880

some pears was know that they're dining

 

1:10:22.520,1:10:29.760

in that area he can go out and find

 

1:10:24.880,1:10:31.440

those pairs of Cs two nights worth uh

 

1:10:29.760,1:10:33.560

this past night and the night before he

 

1:10:31.440,1:10:36.480

went out and located he's heard he's

 

1:10:33.560,1:10:39.320

made one group or one pair he heard

 

1:10:36.480,1:10:41.120

those last night and he is he is

 

1:10:39.320,1:10:43.159

watching those CS he can find them and

 

1:10:41.120,1:10:46.480

look at them with that drone and they

 

1:10:43.159,1:10:48.600

are not howling but they'll start as

 

1:10:46.480,1:10:50.800

soon as those pups I guarantee you where

 

1:10:48.600,1:10:52.920

those CS are you give it just a little

 

1:10:50.800,1:10:55.600

bit longer and can go back to those same

 

1:10:52.920,1:10:57.960

spots one how and they're going they're

 

1:10:55.600,1:11:01.840

going to chim in when those pups get a

 

1:10:57.960,1:11:04.159

little bit older so that's uh just some

 

1:11:01.840,1:11:06.320

I thought that was pretty neat know the

 

1:11:04.159,1:11:09.080

Cs are there just like me knowing these

 

1:11:06.320,1:11:10.920

CS are here they're just not talking

 

1:11:09.080,1:11:13.280

they are silent because of the age of

 

1:11:10.920,1:11:15.560

the pups right now so so pretty much

 

1:11:13.280,1:11:17.440

like to you know just to sum it up in a

 

1:11:15.560,1:11:19.280

real quick answer you know how

 

1:11:17.440,1:11:22.280

susceptible coyotes are to calling

 

1:11:19.280,1:11:24.400

during this time frame say miday through

 

1:11:22.280,1:11:26.719

the first part of June they're very

 

1:11:24.400,1:11:28.520

susceptible but you got to be inside

 

1:11:26.719,1:11:30.520

that bubble you need the proximity Is

 

1:11:28.520,1:11:32.679

key you need to be closer to your couch

 

1:11:30.520,1:11:34.440

during this time frame to to to get to

 

1:11:32.679,1:11:35.440

get those hard Chargers to get those

 

1:11:34.440,1:11:40.520

consistent

 

1:11:35.440,1:11:42.400

Callins exactly yep awesome awesome uh

 

1:11:40.520,1:11:45.800

we've actually went on that crazy

 

1:11:42.400,1:11:47.280

tangent about population and man

 

1:11:45.800,1:11:48.760

somebody should have slapped me on a

 

1:11:47.280,1:11:51.400

wrist or something or slapped me across

 

1:11:48.760,1:11:53.880

the face that shut up but anyway hey I

 

1:11:51.400,1:11:57.280

got a couple more questions for you one

 

1:11:53.880,1:11:59.880

one is uh would you rather type question

 

1:11:57.280,1:12:02.280

but one more stick with the coyotes here

 

1:11:59.880,1:12:03.760

um you know we're talking about the new

 

1:12:02.280,1:12:05.760

sound release there a little bit and

 

1:12:03.760,1:12:08.239

stuff uh we talked about you need to be

 

1:12:05.760,1:12:10.320

closer to your coyot this time of year

 

1:12:08.239,1:12:13.960

uh to to be more consistent on calling

 

1:12:10.320,1:12:16.400

coyot in what are the type of sounds do

 

1:12:13.960,1:12:19.400

kyot callers need to pay more attention

 

1:12:16.400,1:12:22.320

to during this this stretch of miday

 

1:12:19.400,1:12:23.639

through early June uh what what sounds

 

1:12:22.320,1:12:26.199

they need to focus on putting out there

 

1:12:23.639,1:12:30.159

to get these cows called up

 

1:12:26.199,1:12:31.920

I Like My Lan house my group house my

 

1:12:30.159,1:12:34.679

social interaction stuff like that Mom

 

1:12:31.920,1:12:36.400

and Dad didn't call that we talked about

 

1:12:34.679,1:12:38.400

some of the old ones just some any of

 

1:12:36.400,1:12:41.280

those social sounds and then I like to

 

1:12:38.400,1:12:43.800

go right now I like to go with those

 

1:12:41.280,1:12:46.120

early stage pups some of those hungry

 

1:12:43.800,1:12:48.920

pups like the birthday newborn stuff

 

1:12:46.120,1:12:51.520

birthday litter got milk stuff like that

 

1:12:48.920,1:12:54.120

follow that right into those different

 

1:12:51.520,1:12:55.920

age classes of younger pup stuff you

 

1:12:54.120,1:12:58.400

know two weeks and then just jump to

 

1:12:55.920,1:13:01.280

four weeks six weeks then I follow that

 

1:12:58.400,1:13:04.000

with a few pup fights and then right

 

1:13:01.280,1:13:07.040

into the adult fights and that's kind of

 

1:13:04.000,1:13:08.719

how I roll through the only thing that I

 

1:13:07.040,1:13:11.800

that I do different than that on some

 

1:13:08.719,1:13:13.280

stands is I will mix in that Fonda

 

1:13:11.800,1:13:15.639

stress that we talked about and

 

1:13:13.280,1:13:18.040

sometimes I will start with it or I may

 

1:13:15.639,1:13:19.600

mix it in at any point you know while

 

1:13:18.040,1:13:21.400

I'm going through those other stands and

 

1:13:19.600,1:13:23.560

I'm usually I mean going through those

 

1:13:21.400,1:13:25.880

other sounds and I'm usually rolling

 

1:13:23.560,1:13:27.800

through sounds pretty quick because if

 

1:13:25.880,1:13:29.760

you're close to those coats like we were

 

1:13:27.800,1:13:32.000

talking about if you're if you're in

 

1:13:29.760,1:13:33.960

there and you you know the coats are

 

1:13:32.000,1:13:36.360

there either because you've located seen

 

1:13:33.960,1:13:39.560

them whatever if you're fairly close to

 

1:13:36.360,1:13:42.080

them shouldn't take you very long one of

 

1:13:39.560,1:13:43.920

those they should be C coming up quick

 

1:13:42.080,1:13:45.239

yeah so ain't no sense playing a sound

 

1:13:43.920,1:13:47.199

for eight minutes if he ain't there in

 

1:13:45.239,1:13:49.840

the first two of three he ain't coming

 

1:13:47.199,1:13:52.600

to that sound throw out your houss if

 

1:13:49.840,1:13:55.199

nothing shows up go to one of them you

 

1:13:52.600,1:13:57.040

know a social sound for a minute or so

 

1:13:55.199,1:13:59.719

swap right into some of that little p

 

1:13:57.040,1:14:01.199

stuff and so on and just playing each

 

1:13:59.719,1:14:03.719

one of them a minute or two and then

 

1:14:01.199,1:14:05.840

swapping to try to trigger and most of

 

1:14:03.719,1:14:07.360

the time the couchs are gonna when they

 

1:14:05.840,1:14:10.719

trigger they're gonna be on top of you

 

1:14:07.360,1:14:13.120

pretty quick well good stuff good stuff

 

1:14:10.719,1:14:14.320

toor got two little quick kick questions

 

1:14:13.120,1:14:15.639

here I want to ask you we're going to

 

1:14:14.320,1:14:17.440

get off here we've been on here for a

 

1:14:15.639,1:14:19.840

long time again somebody should have

 

1:14:17.440,1:14:21.679

slapped me on that tangent I went on

 

1:14:19.840,1:14:24.040

people is listening don't think no less

 

1:14:21.679,1:14:27.560

of me for going on that tangent I'm

 

1:14:24.040,1:14:32.000

sorry if I offed anybody

 

1:14:27.560,1:14:33.920

but me and you you and I we have got

 

1:14:32.000,1:14:36.040

through our turkey season I was on my

 

1:14:33.920,1:14:38.120

last turkey hunt last week but there's a

 

1:14:36.040,1:14:39.600

lot of lot of people out there still got

 

1:14:38.120,1:14:41.440

turkey season to go through especially

 

1:14:39.600,1:14:43.360

like these guys up here in Pennsylvan I

 

1:14:41.440,1:14:47.400

got a I got a two turkey questions for

 

1:14:43.360,1:14:52.280

you it involves K uh would you

 

1:14:47.400,1:14:56.159

rather spring turkey hunt in April and

 

1:14:52.280,1:14:58.280

early May or would you rather call cow

 

1:14:56.159,1:15:01.760

now just sticking with April and May

 

1:14:58.280,1:15:03.800

April May yeah turkey season's in a

 

1:15:01.760,1:15:05.239

April May I'm on turkey hunt just like

 

1:15:03.800,1:15:07.560

every year and

 

1:15:05.239,1:15:09.040

and partly because of what we talked

 

1:15:07.560,1:15:10.520

about when they're dining I don't do a

 

1:15:09.040,1:15:12.000

whole lot of hunting right then so I I

 

1:15:10.520,1:15:15.120

would definitely take the

 

1:15:12.000,1:15:16.800

turkeys over the coou during April May

 

1:15:15.120,1:15:19.000

right hey turkey season only comes in

 

1:15:16.800,1:15:21.920

once a year and plus we give them just

 

1:15:19.000,1:15:24.000

Coy just a you know everybody KY hunts

 

1:15:21.920,1:15:25.719

for different reasons but one of my

 

1:15:24.000,1:15:29.080

favorite things about coyot hunt one of

 

1:15:25.719,1:15:31.520

my favorite times is that late spring

 

1:15:29.080,1:15:34.159

early summer when you get those mean mom

 

1:15:31.520,1:15:36.239

and dad coyotes it like to be real vocal

 

1:15:34.159,1:15:38.400

and howl at you and all that you know

 

1:15:36.239,1:15:41.880

hey that's we knocking on the door that

 

1:15:38.400,1:15:45.440

so hey shot feel your turkey

 

1:15:41.880,1:15:47.800

TXS if the couch were vocal if those C

 

1:15:45.440,1:15:50.719

you might change your answer

 

1:15:47.800,1:15:54.360

up if during April and May they were as

 

1:15:50.719,1:15:57.639

vocal as they are later you know in that

 

1:15:54.360,1:15:59.560

later time frame it that'd be i'

 

1:15:57.639,1:16:01.400

probably try to I'd probably try to get

 

1:15:59.560,1:16:03.679

my turkeys real quick so I could swap

 

1:16:01.400,1:16:05.440

right over to the couch good stuff all

 

1:16:03.679,1:16:07.320

right got one more for you here if

 

1:16:05.440,1:16:09.920

you're a turkey hunting you know you

 

1:16:07.320,1:16:13.560

sitting up against big old oak tree you

 

1:16:09.920,1:16:17.880

yeling and you got a turkey out there

 

1:16:13.560,1:16:20.400

Goblin and a coyot beats the turkey to

 

1:16:17.880,1:16:22.520

the call you call a Cy up right there in

 

1:16:20.400,1:16:24.760

the smack dab middle of your decoys

 

1:16:22.520,1:16:26.360

right there in the shotgun range what do

 

1:16:24.760,1:16:28.679

you you going to do are you shooting

 

1:16:26.360,1:16:30.440

that coyote while you're trying to yel

 

1:16:28.679,1:16:32.199

that turkey and he's out there Goblin or

 

1:16:30.440,1:16:34.480

you going to give him a pass what what

 

1:16:32.199,1:16:37.159

Tory cook going to do I'm gonna let the

 

1:16:34.480,1:16:39.480

c walk on by and and the reason is

 

1:16:37.159,1:16:41.840

because whatever I'm hunting that's what

 

1:16:39.480,1:16:43.679

I'm hunting and I I'm not much on I used

 

1:16:41.840,1:16:44.600

to when I first started Cod hunting it

 

1:16:43.679,1:16:46.920

probably would have been a different

 

1:16:44.600,1:16:49.960

answer if I had killed many cods I'd

 

1:16:46.920,1:16:51.400

probably shoot him but nowadays if I'm

 

1:16:49.960,1:16:54.360

turkey hunting I'm gonna stick with the

 

1:16:51.400,1:16:56.600

turkey and and let the co go and same

 

1:16:54.360,1:16:58.679

thing I I don't shoot opportunity

 

1:16:56.600,1:17:01.120

opportunistic Coes anymore if I'm

 

1:16:58.679,1:17:03.480

walking in and I see one I don't shoot

 

1:17:01.120,1:17:06.239

him you know and I'm I'm hunting them

 

1:17:03.480,1:17:08.080

strictly for recreational purposes you

 

1:17:06.239,1:17:12.040

know if I was trying to they was eating

 

1:17:08.080,1:17:14.920

up my wife L lambs and chickens and

 

1:17:12.040,1:17:18.520

caves and all that kind of

 

1:17:14.920,1:17:19.440

stuff recreational hey I'm the same way

 

1:17:18.520,1:17:21.960

you

 

1:17:19.440,1:17:25.280

know I'm I'm exactly the same way now

 

1:17:21.960,1:17:27.639

this is exactly what you just said uh I

 

1:17:25.280,1:17:29.679

couldn't tell you last time I shot a ky

 

1:17:27.639,1:17:32.679

just out of you know dumb luck

 

1:17:29.679,1:17:35.159

opportunity and uh I have many chances

 

1:17:32.679,1:17:37.360

have chances all the time uh I kind of

 

1:17:35.159,1:17:40.159

look at it as if you know if I I just

 

1:17:37.360,1:17:41.840

enjoy I'm a coyote caller okay that's

 

1:17:40.159,1:17:46.960

what I kind of Cl if I had to put a

 

1:17:41.840,1:17:49.120

label on John it'd be Cy CER um I like

 

1:17:46.960,1:17:51.120

calling Couts and if I just stumble up

 

1:17:49.120,1:17:54.000

on one he's laid there asleep and I

 

1:17:51.120,1:17:55.600

shoot him you know as he's laying there

 

1:17:54.000,1:17:57.120

yeah I mean I might give you know I

 

1:17:55.600,1:17:59.760

probably get a little bit of enjoyment

 

1:17:57.120,1:18:01.080

out of it but you know that's one less

 

1:17:59.760,1:18:03.639

cow ain't going to be able to call up

 

1:18:01.080,1:18:06.639

Tory cook that's right and one of the

 

1:18:03.639,1:18:08.320

things with that with me let's say you

 

1:18:06.639,1:18:09.880

pull into a spot and you see a cow and

 

1:18:08.320,1:18:11.600

you can let him you know let's say you

 

1:18:09.880,1:18:14.199

don't necessarily bust him but you can

 

1:18:11.600,1:18:16.760

let that thing rather than shoot him and

 

1:18:14.199,1:18:19.280

kill him right there I like wondering

 

1:18:16.760,1:18:21.639

you know can I call that c that that

 

1:18:19.280,1:18:23.880

makes I know he's there now let's see

 

1:18:21.639,1:18:26.400

can I call him up and if I can boy it

 

1:18:23.880,1:18:28.239

makes me feel good if I can I'm thinking

 

1:18:26.400,1:18:30.040

well damn I ain't as good as I thought I

 

1:18:28.239,1:18:31.639

was hey I just go ahead and tell you

 

1:18:30.040,1:18:32.880

that you know if you'd ask me that

 

1:18:31.639,1:18:34.159

question I'm going to tell you what I'm

 

1:18:32.880,1:18:36.440

going to do I'm going to let that Cy go

 

1:18:34.159,1:18:38.719

right on by I'm going to cut at that

 

1:18:36.440,1:18:40.199

turkey again and he's going to gobble

 

1:18:38.719,1:18:41.080

his head off and he's going to strut

 

1:18:40.199,1:18:44.600

right up there and I'm going to shoot

 

1:18:41.080,1:18:46.480

him at like 17 steps I'm burn that

 

1:18:44.600,1:18:47.719

gobler to the ground and I'm going to

 

1:18:46.480,1:18:50.040

come back in there in about three or

 

1:18:47.719,1:18:52.719

four more weeks I'm going to call it cow

 

1:18:50.040,1:18:55.480

up two hunts two

 

1:18:52.719,1:18:57.040

hunts I like that playing that's that

 

1:18:55.480,1:18:59.679

sounds like the best plan to me I'm

 

1:18:57.040,1:19:01.560

going to go with it Tori I appreciate

 

1:18:59.679,1:19:03.960

you coming on this week you got anything

 

1:19:01.560,1:19:06.320

you want to leave everybody with hey

 

1:19:03.960,1:19:09.199

it's always fun talking to you and as

 

1:19:06.320,1:19:12.960

usual appreciate everybody listening and

 

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1:19:22.760,1:19:26.360

played around with them a little bit I'm

 

1:19:24.719,1:19:28.840

really going to put them to use here in

 

1:19:26.360,1:19:31.600

about maybe two weeks something like

 

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that anyway we really really appreciate

 

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everybody at Tunes in we hope everybody

 

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