FOXPRO's Jon Collins and MFK's Torry Cook discuss what coyotes are doing this time of year.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox proo podcast we have
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coyot pups in the ground and we actually
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have some pups that's coming up out of
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the den on this episode we're going to
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be discussing what's currently going on
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in a coyote's life Our Guest is Mr Tory
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cook of mfk game calls what's going on
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Tor oh winding down from a long turkey
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season and uh doing a little nights just
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transitioning right over into uh that Co
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time frame and doing a little bit of
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doing a little bit of Timber work on on
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some places I'm G deer hunt and cow hunt
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so yeah just one thing right into the
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next yeah and I know last time me and
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you talked was that on a on a Cy hunt
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down in Texas you was planed on doing a
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little bit of food plot work as well
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wasn't you yeah I've been playing with
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some of that and just a little bit of
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everything you know how it is if you
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like to hunt you're you're a Woodsman
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there is no such thing as season going
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out because there's always something to
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do either in season or out of season to
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get ready for and of course go are in
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year round so always something to do if
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you like to hunt oh that's right you
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know you talked about the food plot
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stuff before if you if you know it's
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it's something to do that kind of helps
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pass the time I don't know if any
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listeners ever fooled with food plots
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for deer or turkey or anything like that
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I know some of you probably sitting
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there thinking like what in the world
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well you know they eat every everything
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they just eat bark off the trees and
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whatever else why would you even
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consider wasting diesel fueling time on
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planting stuff but it can make a
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difference and plus like I said it helps
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pass the time and it kind of feels like
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you giveing back a little bit too when
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you do it I enjoy it anyway well I tell
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you what it it does relate right to coow
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hunting in a lot of circumstances
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because I've ran cameras I've got some
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tech cams running on those food plots
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and I planted wheat and clover in a
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couple of different on a couple
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different properties cameras running on
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both of them and the amount of rabbits
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that I have coming out there I guess you
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know hitting those food plots is unreal
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and of course right with that I started
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getting pictures of the coats I've got a
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group of coats on both properties that
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uh that I'll be I'll be hunting I'll be
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hunting right there close to those food
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plots even though they weren't planted
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with coats and mine I figured out that
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when you start doing doing if you
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improve your habitat for any kind of
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animal the rest of it just comes along
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with it I mean you've got your birds and
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your little rodents and all that kind of
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stuff insects that hit that stuff heavy
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right on up and of course when you get
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that coming in there you know you didn't
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plant the food plot for the coats but
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they start praying on the other stuff
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that's frequent in those those food
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plots so oh yeah it's a it ties right in
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right into the co stuff and gave me a
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couple places extra to hunt yeah yeah
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open up the spot where you stretch that
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shotgun barrel out a little bit yeah
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that's right you know it makes sense if
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you really think about it you know if
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you do stuff that helps the habitat uh
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for you know other Wildlife you know far
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as like say deer turkeys your rabbit
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squirrels all that type of stuff it
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makes sense that more the stronger that
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the the prey species are and better the
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numbers are the the you know the better
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numbers that your your coyotes and
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predators going to have as well got
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plenty to feed on so oh yeah absolutely
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and and your Hunters are the ones that
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do that kind of stuff they're the ones
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that do do conservation type stuff that
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contributes to all kinds of Wildlife and
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always those an anti-hunters that jump
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on Hunters they have no they don't they
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have no idea they knew everything that
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that people did behind the scenes where
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they spend their time and money and the
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amount of wildlife that it helps outside
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of you know the few that we kill while
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we're
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hunting you Hunters do way more per
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animals oh man don't even get me started
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anti Wildlife anti hunting group has
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ever even thought about it's not even
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comparable oh man I agree I agree with
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you we could we could do a whole podcast
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series on this junk right here to deal
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with that crazy stuff every single day
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and you're and you're exactly right you
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know and I think most Coy Hunters are in
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the same frame of mind we all are you
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know we're not just coow Hunters we hunt
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a variety of different animals and we're
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not just Hunters we're we're
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conservationists as well and uh you know
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that's one thing to always keep in mind
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and and you hit the nail right on the
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head we do way more hunters and and
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conservation do way more than any
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anti-hunting group will ever do for uh
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for fish and wildlife across the country
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across the world no doubt about it well
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let's let's get let's get started on
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what we uh uh here to talk about as
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everybody already knows Tori and Tori
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Lan cook you know they've had a front
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row seat to their coyot raising multiple
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litters of pups so naturally Tori is a
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perfect guest for this topic so let's
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get right to it and you'll have to
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excuse a little bit of wind noise
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possibly on this podcast Tor usually
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records this you know out there in the
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out there in the elements he's dealing
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with a little bit of wind today but it's
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not too too horrible but Tori what's
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what's actually been going on in a ky's
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life over the past say two or three
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weeks well it's right now we're in that
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multiple things going on we've got
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Denning season with some coats just now
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getting pups in the ground you know some
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of your later born coats are in the
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ground in the den still in the hole and
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then we've got some that were born a
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little earlier you know maybe maybe in
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March that those pups are starting to
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come out of the ground so you've got a
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variety of stuff going on I would still
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call this portion of it the den season
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but we're getting ready to kind of roll
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over and transition from Den season with
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pups in the ground or staying right
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there at the at the Den to rolling over
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into some of that pup rearing time frame
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so it's a there's a lot of stuff going
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on with the coachs right now and a lot
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of things that we can keep in mind when
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we're calling them to take advantage of
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it right and just so everybody knows I
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know everybody can read a calendar but
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this is May 14th so people that might
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listen to this to this later on in a
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year this is May 14th um you know
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there's there's what you say the
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majority I think we always talk about
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this but majority of coyot pups are are
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usually born sometime mid April right on
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average across the country so
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yeah yeah I think the bulk of your cow
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pups have been born there may be a few
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that you know a few there's always
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outside to knowm but yeah your Peak your
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Peak is going to take place
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you know in in April so we got a little
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before some a little after right so we
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got coyotes that's just being born and
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we've got some coyot that are anywhere
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from three to six weeks of age then
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probably right y that would take in the
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bath that would take in the bulk yeah so
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Tor one big question I got for you is
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you know you've you've helped raise a
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few litters of pups along with your Co
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adult coyotes did any of your females
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adult females have any have litter of
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pups this year you got any coyotes after
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there it's got pups in the ground or
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coming up out of the den yeah two
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different ones uh Coy female named big
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girl has a litter of pups and then
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another one named fancy they both have a
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litter of pups and both litters were
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born roughly around that April 10th time
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frame uh I didn't find the big girl I
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knew she had pups she's pretty stand off
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it's pretty secretive uh and so is the
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fancy coat I found the fancy coat's
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litter
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pretty I think within a day or so of her
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having them and after I found that then
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she moved them I have since located them
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again and I also figured out where the
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big girl go is dining as well and they
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both have a litter of pups right now and
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like I said roughly born you know April
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10th through the 15th somewhere around
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in there is when I think both those
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batches hit the ground so they they are
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getting you know they're starting to
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come out of the de
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right right well that's that's uh that's
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great news that's that's one question
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I've got with uh adult coyotes I mean is
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it is every single adult female out
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there do they breed every year I mean do
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they do they get pups in the ground
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every single year is it uh is it not a
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certainty that every adult female you
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see out there might not have a litter of
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pups you know say your your Prime of
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their life two or three four year old
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coyes I mean is it a pretty much
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certainty certainty
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certainty that they always will breed
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and have a litter of pups come
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spring no and a lot of that has to do
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with the Peck and Order of the coats the
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age of the coats and so usually you're
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going to have mated pairs that are
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resident coats on a particular property
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that mated pair will have pups in that
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area and the other females that are in
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that area typically won't have pups that
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year and a lot of some of those Co
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females that don't have pups will stay
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on
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uh it could be a a lot of times it is a
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previous litter of pups a female or two
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that stay on right and stay part of that
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family group in that area which we kind
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of call helpers in the coyote Hunter
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world right right right and then some of
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them will get pushed out as transits and
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that's when true pup dispersal takes
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place those females and males will get
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pushed out they typically do not mate
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that year and they're looking for a
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place and usually what happens is a a CO
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will get killed somewhere die run over
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Kill by Hunter whatever happens and
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those gos fill in that spot or they find
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another loan Co Transit coat that uh
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that they will meet with pair up with
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and kind of form their own area and they
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will have pups in following years and a
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lot of your urling females even though
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they're they're capable of having pups
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they typically don't M and have pups
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that first year okay so there's a and
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I'm actually in in the future I'm
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playing with some stuff right now
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because I've been really interested in
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that and I'm trying to man manipulate
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some stuff to see how that actually
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works because you can have two or three
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females in an area that come in heat but
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the only one that has pups is the one
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that's that's mated right and so there's
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some some stuff that uh that I've
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learned from Raising coats and having
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coats there's some things that I've
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started figuring out about the proximity
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of C to other CS plays a role in whether
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or not they will mate and have pups that
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year right so some some interesting neat
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stuff that I'm in the early stages of of
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playing with now that I have enough
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coachs to to uh I guess test that stuff
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right and you know they're they're such
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a cool animal you know people's heard me
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say that phrase many times but they
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really are they're very interesting and
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just soon as you you know a lot of times
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you kind of think you got them figured
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out a little bit but there's so many so
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many unknowns out there in the in the
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family structure and and and everything
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else so I'm I'm pretty interested in
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this as well so I'm going to be
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following along with you TOR you know
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I'll be hanging on the Hanging On The
0:11:51.320,0:11:54.720
Edge W know the info on that and we'll
0:11:53.279,0:11:57.800
definitely cover that in the future once
0:11:54.720,0:12:00.639
you do gather some info but um another
0:11:57.800,0:12:04.560
question I have when it comes to Coyote
0:12:00.639,0:12:08.079
litters on average how many pups does a
0:12:04.560,0:12:11.120
female have in a litter and is there
0:12:08.079,0:12:13.160
anything uh that actually dictates
0:12:11.120,0:12:16.160
litter size I know one thing is going to
0:12:13.160,0:12:19.199
be the actual health of the female of
0:12:16.160,0:12:21.800
the mama but uh what is what is the
0:12:19.199,0:12:23.320
average litter size you know since I
0:12:21.800,0:12:25.880
talked to you last time I actually
0:12:23.320,0:12:28.160
looked up several studies on that that
0:12:25.880,0:12:30.320
have been done and the health of the
0:12:28.160,0:12:31.199
female is probably number one that and
0:12:30.320,0:12:34.320
the
0:12:31.199,0:12:37.320
age they've done some pretty extensive
0:12:34.320,0:12:41.000
studies on C reproduction and what
0:12:37.320,0:12:44.680
causes a bigger or smaller litter size
0:12:41.000,0:12:48.440
and the the food the available food and
0:12:44.680,0:12:50.240
caloric intake of a c female prior to
0:12:48.440,0:12:52.920
and I mean this can go back as far as a
0:12:50.240,0:12:55.920
year or more the caloric intake and the
0:12:52.920,0:12:59.320
food availability of that coat female in
0:12:55.920,0:13:01.680
particular plays a pretty big role in
0:12:59.320,0:13:04.320
how many pups she'll have so on a year
0:13:01.680,0:13:07.360
where she's got access to more food she
0:13:04.320,0:13:09.639
will probably throw a bigger litter and
0:13:07.360,0:13:11.880
then also age a lot of times your
0:13:09.639,0:13:14.279
younger coats tend to have smaller
0:13:11.880,0:13:16.480
litters that first year not always the
0:13:14.279,0:13:19.279
case but tend to and then we'll have
0:13:16.480,0:13:22.440
bigger litters later on you know in the
0:13:19.279,0:13:24.920
prime of their adult life right and then
0:13:22.440,0:13:26.880
of course fall off as they pass that
0:13:24.920,0:13:28.760
that Prime of their life but for the
0:13:26.880,0:13:30.720
most part what I've seen the fewest
0:13:28.760,0:13:32.480
number of of pups that I've that any of
0:13:30.720,0:13:35.360
my coats have had and we've had several
0:13:32.480,0:13:37.880
litters now over the years the fewest
0:13:35.360,0:13:40.199
that I've seen were three Y and the most
0:13:37.880,0:13:42.839
that I've had any of them have were six
0:13:40.199,0:13:45.839
so and I think that you know probably
0:13:42.839,0:13:48.360
two to eight pups catches the majority
0:13:45.839,0:13:50.279
of the coats but you can have you know
0:13:48.360,0:13:52.320
you can have bigger or smaller lits you
0:13:50.279,0:13:54.880
know you may have one that that only has
0:13:52.320,0:13:57.000
one pup and you could have some that
0:13:54.880,0:13:59.480
possibly have you know I know they're
0:13:57.000,0:14:01.800
documented cases of goats having you
0:13:59.480,0:14:03.880
know a dozen pups right but I think that
0:14:01.800,0:14:05.759
probably that six give or take a couple
0:14:03.880,0:14:08.600
pups is probably your average most of
0:14:05.759,0:14:10.680
the time y it's great info you know
0:14:08.600,0:14:13.079
everybody has been in that situation
0:14:10.680,0:14:14.560
especially in the fall when uh when you
0:14:13.079,0:14:16.000
know you got a lot of coachs that come
0:14:14.560,0:14:18.079
to the call and they're all still in
0:14:16.000,0:14:20.560
their close-nit family group say like
0:14:18.079,0:14:23.720
September you know it's a pretty awesome
0:14:20.560,0:14:25.480
site when you see like five six seven
0:14:23.720,0:14:27.440
and sometimes even eight CS come
0:14:25.480,0:14:29.360
charging the call all at the same time
0:14:27.440,0:14:32.000
and usually what that is is those mom
0:14:29.360,0:14:34.600
and dad and however many pups they had
0:14:32.000,0:14:37.160
or maybe a helper or two like you
0:14:34.600,0:14:41.160
discussed before but yeah that's that's
0:14:37.160,0:14:42.680
pretty interesting stuff yeah yeah it is
0:14:41.160,0:14:45.000
and that's one of my favorite times of
0:14:42.680,0:14:46.680
the year to hunt is after those families
0:14:45.000,0:14:49.480
I call it family bust up to where
0:14:46.680,0:14:51.480
they're still all sharing that same
0:14:49.480,0:14:53.880
they're still all residents of the same
0:14:51.480,0:14:55.519
area but they may not be right there
0:14:53.880,0:14:58.639
together and you can sit down on a stand
0:14:55.519,0:15:01.560
and call in you know have multiple
0:14:58.639,0:15:02.800
calling and spaced out on that stand
0:15:01.560,0:15:05.519
yeah from different
0:15:02.800,0:15:07.880
directions yeah and that I mean if you
0:15:05.519,0:15:10.560
if you keep that in mind you can have
0:15:07.880,0:15:12.560
some really good stands that produce
0:15:10.560,0:15:15.240
High you know higher numbers of cows
0:15:12.560,0:15:16.639
killed per stand especially cows called
0:15:15.240,0:15:19.519
in for
0:15:16.639,0:15:21.000
stand and you do you know at other times
0:15:19.519,0:15:23.720
of the
0:15:21.000,0:15:25.079
year right let's since we're talking
0:15:23.720,0:15:27.399
about the hunting a little bit let's go
0:15:25.079,0:15:29.160
right along on that line uh and say if
0:15:27.399,0:15:31.040
we started hunting right now you know
0:15:29.160,0:15:32.720
you got some pups are still in a den
0:15:31.040,0:15:35.839
some are just now starting to come out
0:15:32.720,0:15:40.920
all you know really young age pups what
0:15:35.839,0:15:43.920
what is the chances of pup survival if
0:15:40.920,0:15:45.720
uh let's say if a parent is killed or it
0:15:43.920,0:15:47.480
say let's let's kind of do it make it a
0:15:45.720,0:15:50.199
two-part thing what's the what's the
0:15:47.480,0:15:52.759
chances of pup survival if one parent is
0:15:50.199,0:15:54.720
killed and what are the chances if both
0:15:52.759,0:15:57.600
parents are
0:15:54.720,0:15:59.920
killed well when they're in the hole if
0:15:57.600,0:16:02.800
the pups are still in the hole and you
0:15:59.920,0:16:04.959
kill the female the nurseing female
0:16:02.800,0:16:08.199
their mama if you kill her while they're
0:16:04.959,0:16:10.079
still in the hole they will die because
0:16:08.199,0:16:12.880
none of the helpers nor the male they're
0:16:10.079,0:16:16.319
not going to feed those pups in the Hole
0:16:12.880,0:16:19.839
uh there have been some a few cases
0:16:16.319,0:16:21.720
where a a different female has adopted
0:16:19.839,0:16:23.199
or even had pups in the same litter and
0:16:21.720,0:16:24.920
could take over that's that's pretty
0:16:23.199,0:16:27.040
rare typically if you kill a female
0:16:24.920,0:16:29.720
while they're in the hole they're G to
0:16:27.040,0:16:31.720
die but that window is pretty small
0:16:29.720,0:16:34.600
because those C pups will start emerging
0:16:31.720,0:16:36.240
from the den at about 3 weeks at the
0:16:34.600,0:16:37.800
earliest usually around that four-week
0:16:36.240,0:16:39.360
time frame they start coming out of the
0:16:37.800,0:16:42.519
hole and as soon as they start coming
0:16:39.360,0:16:44.480
out of the hole they're still by the den
0:16:42.519,0:16:47.560
they'll use the den for cover but they
0:16:44.480,0:16:50.399
start feeding nursing and eating
0:16:47.560,0:16:53.480
regurgitated food both from the adult
0:16:50.399,0:16:55.360
female their mama and the other coats
0:16:53.480,0:16:57.160
that are helping the meal any helper
0:16:55.360,0:17:00.639
coats that are around they will start
0:16:57.160,0:17:04.000
eating semisolid regurgitated food so if
0:17:00.639,0:17:06.360
you kill any of the adults the mama the
0:17:04.000,0:17:09.240
daddy one of the helpers those coats
0:17:06.360,0:17:12.240
still have a pretty good chance of
0:17:09.240,0:17:15.720
survival of course it reduces you know
0:17:12.240,0:17:18.160
that they they start it lowers the risk
0:17:15.720,0:17:21.280
of survival right but they still have a
0:17:18.160,0:17:23.199
very good chance of survival because as
0:17:21.280,0:17:25.480
long as there's an adult there to come
0:17:23.199,0:17:29.080
back and regurgitate food bring food
0:17:25.480,0:17:31.200
back to the pups then if they're out of
0:17:29.080,0:17:33.559
that Den they have a pretty decent
0:17:31.200,0:17:36.440
chance of surviving and I I actually
0:17:33.559,0:17:39.160
documented these were wild coats uh two
0:17:36.440,0:17:40.919
separate times where we went in killed
0:17:39.160,0:17:42.720
the female and they had little bitty
0:17:40.919,0:17:45.720
pups but the pups were just out of the
0:17:42.720,0:17:47.840
hole kill the nurse and female were able
0:17:45.720,0:17:50.919
to go back and in one case we kill and
0:17:47.840,0:17:53.160
then these are these hunts are on video
0:17:50.919,0:17:55.919
kill the female go back the pups and the
0:17:53.160,0:17:59.600
other coats are still in the area in one
0:17:55.919,0:18:02.440
instance kill both the the male and
0:17:59.600,0:18:05.039
female the parents and I was able to
0:18:02.440,0:18:07.600
document those go from March all the way
0:18:05.039,0:18:09.640
through until August and those pups were
0:18:07.600,0:18:11.440
St at least three of the pups I think
0:18:09.640,0:18:13.760
there were five to begin with at least
0:18:11.440,0:18:16.159
three of the pups made it all the way
0:18:13.760,0:18:19.200
through and there was one helper coat
0:18:16.159,0:18:21.320
that was left after the male and female
0:18:19.200,0:18:24.039
were killed there was one coat left that
0:18:21.320,0:18:27.240
would H with those PS and I was able to
0:18:24.039,0:18:29.280
keep up with those coats through howling
0:18:27.240,0:18:31.159
all the way through August
0:18:29.280,0:18:33.760
and and they made it and then we had
0:18:31.159,0:18:38.360
another similar instance where we killed
0:18:33.760,0:18:41.000
two females killed a u killed the the
0:18:38.360,0:18:43.240
nursing female first some people may
0:18:41.000,0:18:45.200
remember that hunt she comes running in
0:18:43.240,0:18:47.760
Tory Lynn my wife shoots her and she
0:18:45.200,0:18:51.280
rolls in a creek she falls in the creek
0:18:47.760,0:18:53.080
and that particular spot always probably
0:18:51.280,0:18:55.960
two weeks later we went back pups are
0:18:53.080,0:18:57.919
still highing and a couple of adults
0:18:55.960,0:18:59.559
Jason gr close my buddy from Virginia he
0:18:57.919,0:19:03.200
comes in
0:18:59.559,0:19:05.400
know we know Jason yeah Jason comes in
0:19:03.200,0:19:07.640
and kills another female right there on
0:19:05.400,0:19:10.720
top of right there out of that family
0:19:07.640,0:19:12.320
group Y and that male and those pups
0:19:10.720,0:19:14.840
stayed in that area Highland so those
0:19:12.320,0:19:17.360
are two separate incidents where I know
0:19:14.840,0:19:19.559
that the nursing female was killed in
0:19:17.360,0:19:21.000
the early stages when those pups were
0:19:19.559,0:19:23.320
just out of the den couldn't have been
0:19:21.000,0:19:25.679
any more than you know five six seven
0:19:23.320,0:19:27.600
weeks old at the most and possibly
0:19:25.679,0:19:30.200
younger but they were out of the den and
0:19:27.600,0:19:34.320
those PS were able to survive VI with
0:19:30.200,0:19:36.960
just one adult left in the mix so it it
0:19:34.320,0:19:39.799
is it is possible for you to kill as
0:19:36.960,0:19:42.760
long as there's an adult left you can
0:19:39.799,0:19:44.799
kill any mix a helper Cod and the female
0:19:42.760,0:19:48.559
helper Cod and the male however you want
0:19:44.799,0:19:51.360
to right to combo that and they can
0:19:48.559,0:19:56.320
survive that's one of the things about
0:19:51.360,0:19:59.080
about the resilience of Cs and how just
0:19:56.320,0:20:01.159
what survivors they are same thing with
0:19:59.080,0:20:03.640
getting pups you know some of the pups
0:20:01.159,0:20:07.480
that I've got that we raised that
0:20:03.640,0:20:10.240
weren't born uh from a cat that we
0:20:07.480,0:20:13.600
raised some of those pups still have
0:20:10.240,0:20:15.200
their eyes closed and this typically
0:20:13.600,0:20:17.280
wouldn't happen in the den but you don't
0:20:15.200,0:20:19.880
have to feed them a bottle they will eat
0:20:17.280,0:20:21.600
semisolid semisolid food you know at
0:20:19.880,0:20:23.600
about three weeks of age and they will
0:20:21.600,0:20:25.760
survive off of that no problem never
0:20:23.600,0:20:27.520
give them a bottle so that's that's
0:20:25.760,0:20:29.480
pretty crazy you know they got a a
0:20:27.520,0:20:32.000
strong will to survive
0:20:29.480,0:20:35.960
and then you know all the older cows
0:20:32.000,0:20:37.520
have got a strong paternal pull to them
0:20:35.960,0:20:39.760
to take care of the members of the
0:20:37.520,0:20:42.240
family and help raise those Couts help
0:20:39.760,0:20:46.240
raise those pups so it's that's like I
0:20:42.240,0:20:47.960
said they're a neat animal U one thing I
0:20:46.240,0:20:49.840
guess we should I should ask you because
0:20:47.960,0:20:53.159
I it's something I'd like to know at
0:20:49.840,0:20:55.320
what age does a ky pup when do they open
0:20:53.159,0:20:57.520
their eyes and when do they actually
0:20:55.320,0:20:59.320
emerge out of the hole when do they
0:20:57.520,0:21:02.440
actually come up out the ground out of
0:20:59.320,0:21:07.000
the den at what age how many weeks is
0:21:02.440,0:21:09.440
that usually so roughly two weeks old 14
0:21:07.000,0:21:11.440
15 days they'll usually start opening
0:21:09.440,0:21:14.919
their eyes and once they open their eyes
0:21:11.440,0:21:16.840
and start moving around in the den it's
0:21:14.919,0:21:18.840
not long after that about that three-
0:21:16.840,0:21:22.039
week time frame they will start crawling
0:21:18.840,0:21:23.840
out to the you know to the opening of
0:21:22.039,0:21:25.520
the den and spending time right there
0:21:23.840,0:21:27.480
around the opening of the den and
0:21:25.520,0:21:30.159
typically what happens then as soon as
0:21:27.480,0:21:32.440
they start coming out of that Den that
0:21:30.159,0:21:35.279
female no longer nurses them in the den
0:21:32.440,0:21:37.640
she will nurse them outside the den
0:21:35.279,0:21:40.400
usually only about twice a day and it's
0:21:37.640,0:21:43.159
almost like they use the Sun as a as a
0:21:40.400,0:21:46.200
clock because that female will typically
0:21:43.159,0:21:48.480
nurse pretty close to sunrise and sunset
0:21:46.200,0:21:51.320
twice a day the rest of the time those
0:21:48.480,0:21:55.320
pups are eating that regurgitated food
0:21:51.320,0:21:58.360
and that's that's why it's so you know
0:21:55.320,0:22:00.799
the odds are high of them surviving even
0:21:58.360,0:22:03.080
if if that nursing female is taken away
0:22:00.799,0:22:05.159
because they don't have to have those
0:22:03.080,0:22:07.400
two they don't have to have those two
0:22:05.159,0:22:08.960
nursing Times Daily to survive that's
0:22:07.400,0:22:11.400
just supplement right to the
0:22:08.960,0:22:13.400
regurgitated food so at about three
0:22:11.400,0:22:15.480
weeks of age is the earliest and by four
0:22:13.400,0:22:17.960
weeks of age there they're usually out
0:22:15.480,0:22:21.440
of the den and spending time around it
0:22:17.960,0:22:24.799
they will use that Den as security you
0:22:21.440,0:22:27.000
know so they're still using the den as
0:22:24.799,0:22:29.200
cover you know should something spoke
0:22:27.000,0:22:31.000
them or whatever and they'll run back
0:22:29.200,0:22:34.320
into the den but it doesn't take very
0:22:31.000,0:22:36.159
long from about four weeks on they start
0:22:34.320,0:22:38.679
spending more and more time out of the
0:22:36.159,0:22:41.880
den and pretty soon after that they'll
0:22:38.679,0:22:43.480
wean around seven weeks old that that
0:22:41.880,0:22:46.279
was going to be my next question for you
0:22:43.480,0:22:49.360
is is what age are they usually weaned
0:22:46.279,0:22:51.000
at so seven weeks you say yeah around
0:22:49.360,0:22:53.880
seven weeks that's what I've seen with
0:22:51.000,0:22:56.279
with my coach is around seven weeks she
0:22:53.880,0:22:57.679
tends to quit nursing them you know
0:22:56.279,0:22:59.240
they'll still try they're getting big
0:22:57.679,0:23:00.720
enough now they can kind of run chase
0:22:59.240,0:23:03.120
her around and they'll try to nurse with
0:23:00.720,0:23:05.360
her standing but as far as her
0:23:03.120,0:23:07.640
actually you know laying down letting
0:23:05.360,0:23:09.919
them nurse she's weaning them by seven
0:23:07.640,0:23:12.159
weeks and they're primarily eating you
0:23:09.919,0:23:15.039
know that regurgitated food and that
0:23:12.159,0:23:16.520
will continue on and as they as they
0:23:15.039,0:23:19.640
wean when they start getting to that
0:23:16.520,0:23:22.640
weaning age and older progression from
0:23:19.640,0:23:23.960
there they they usually abandon that den
0:23:22.640,0:23:26.039
and you'll hear people talking about
0:23:23.960,0:23:27.640
well they're Denning these Scouts are
0:23:26.039,0:23:29.240
dining well usually they're not dining
0:23:27.640,0:23:31.240
except for that short period of time
0:23:29.240,0:23:33.520
while the pups are in the hole actually
0:23:31.240,0:23:35.840
in the ground and then shortly after
0:23:33.520,0:23:38.760
coming out of the ground it's not long
0:23:35.840,0:23:40.440
before they completely abandon the den
0:23:38.760,0:23:42.799
and then what they start doing instead
0:23:40.440,0:23:45.080
of using the den for cover a lot of
0:23:42.799,0:23:47.080
they'll actually move away from the den
0:23:45.080,0:23:49.159
uh a distance and sometimes that's only
0:23:47.080,0:23:51.760
a few hundred yards and sometimes that's
0:23:49.159,0:23:53.200
a pretty big move right so if you got go
0:23:51.760,0:23:54.960
howling in a spot you know they're
0:23:53.200,0:23:57.960
dening there were dining there and then
0:23:54.960,0:23:59.440
all of a sudden you quit hearing cods or
0:23:57.960,0:24:01.919
you can't keep up with them a lot of
0:23:59.440,0:24:04.400
times if you start here in a group half
0:24:01.919,0:24:06.640
mile 3/4 mile mile away there's a good
0:24:04.400,0:24:09.799
chance that's that same family group of
0:24:06.640,0:24:14.039
cats that have just moved to a different
0:24:09.799,0:24:16.440
area within their overall territory and
0:24:14.039,0:24:18.440
that it's where they'll what I call a
0:24:16.440,0:24:20.480
pup rearing area okay they'll move those
0:24:18.440,0:24:23.240
pups away from the den and they're you
0:24:20.480,0:24:25.240
then they're using typically using
0:24:23.240,0:24:27.840
whatever the heaviest cover is for the
0:24:25.240,0:24:30.880
area that's usually what those pups are
0:24:27.840,0:24:33.799
using for cover at that time you know
0:24:30.880,0:24:35.480
they just run up in a in a spot and hide
0:24:33.799,0:24:38.320
yeah I've seen in rose bushes and
0:24:35.480,0:24:41.200
pasture fields on the back side of pond
0:24:38.320,0:24:45.039
dams and and Toler grass yeah I've seen
0:24:41.200,0:24:47.279
that that a bunch um one question I
0:24:45.039,0:24:49.880
would like to ask you to stay on that
0:24:47.279,0:24:52.840
same line with the dens Den sites when
0:24:49.880,0:24:55.200
they're actually using a den is there is
0:24:52.840,0:24:57.320
there any time that they'll use multiple
0:24:55.200,0:24:59.000
DS will they move their pups and put
0:24:57.320,0:25:01.440
them in another hole somewhere else is
0:24:59.000,0:25:03.960
there ever ever a situation with that
0:25:01.440,0:25:06.360
say like if somebody finds the D site
0:25:03.960,0:25:09.039
will they move them or do they just
0:25:06.360,0:25:10.720
stick to the one one den you know when
0:25:09.039,0:25:13.159
they're when they're little you know
0:25:10.720,0:25:14.480
tiny yeah they will they will move them
0:25:13.159,0:25:17.399
it's just like I mentioned when we first
0:25:14.480,0:25:20.520
started you know I I found that the
0:25:17.399,0:25:22.399
original D site of the fancy coat and
0:25:20.520,0:25:23.640
after I Disturbed it went up there and
0:25:22.399,0:25:25.080
you know looked and listened for the
0:25:23.640,0:25:27.720
pups and pulled around there a little
0:25:25.080,0:25:30.200
bit she moved them and most of the time
0:25:27.720,0:25:32.320
there's all already another Den site
0:25:30.200,0:25:35.000
multiple Den sites when those goats
0:25:32.320,0:25:36.360
start digging typically in that's why
0:25:35.000,0:25:37.960
you know people have listened to other
0:25:36.360,0:25:40.320
podcast we've done we've talked about
0:25:37.960,0:25:43.320
people taking advantage of denim season
0:25:40.320,0:25:45.799
well before the pups are actually bornn
0:25:43.320,0:25:48.080
and during that late February early
0:25:45.799,0:25:49.880
March time frame those CS will get they
0:25:48.080,0:25:51.840
get it on their mind it's instinctual
0:25:49.880,0:25:54.000
and they will a lot of times dig they
0:25:51.840,0:25:56.399
just go to digging even CS that are not
0:25:54.000,0:25:58.760
gonna have pups will dig dens that they
0:25:56.399,0:26:01.360
don't use but it's just something
0:25:58.760,0:26:04.399
instinctual about some of them and those
0:26:01.360,0:26:07.880
that female will a lot of times she will
0:26:04.399,0:26:10.399
dig multiple DS in an area and can move
0:26:07.880,0:26:13.480
those pups for a variety of reasons you
0:26:10.399,0:26:15.760
know maybe for whatever you know maybe
0:26:13.480,0:26:20.080
she gets Disturbed pressure from people
0:26:15.760,0:26:22.120
or whatever U the den size fleas you
0:26:20.080,0:26:24.320
know something right that she doesn't
0:26:22.120,0:26:27.039
like about it she will move them
0:26:24.320,0:26:28.559
typically to another Den that's already
0:26:27.039,0:26:30.480
prepared she doesn't have to go dig
0:26:28.559,0:26:32.919
another one now she may clean it out a
0:26:30.480,0:26:36.039
little bit but right she she probably
0:26:32.919,0:26:38.640
has multiple D sites
0:26:36.039,0:26:40.640
already established that she can move
0:26:38.640,0:26:42.679
those pups to you know should she need
0:26:40.640,0:26:47.120
to and I think a lot of times they they
0:26:42.679,0:26:49.120
do move Den um after they've used a d
0:26:47.120,0:26:51.559
and some sometimes it could be just
0:26:49.120,0:26:54.440
because they're getting that area dirty
0:26:51.559,0:26:56.320
you know right just gets nasty right
0:26:54.440,0:26:58.520
right and so she'll move them to a to a
0:26:56.320,0:27:00.799
cleaner spot
0:26:58.520,0:27:02.760
but yeah they definitely definitely move
0:27:00.799,0:27:04.240
ends and sometimes you have to deal with
0:27:02.760,0:27:05.960
that if you're hunting coats and you go
0:27:04.240,0:27:08.080
in and maybe you've got a pretty good
0:27:05.960,0:27:11.080
sized family group and you go in and and
0:27:08.080,0:27:13.399
hunt them this goes for dens and puppr
0:27:11.080,0:27:15.080
areas you go in and mess with them and
0:27:13.399,0:27:17.080
put a little pressure on them and then
0:27:15.080,0:27:18.919
you can't find those coats you may have
0:27:17.080,0:27:21.640
to expand your area a little bit and try
0:27:18.919,0:27:23.679
to get them located again and find where
0:27:21.640,0:27:26.159
they've moved to and sometimes that that
0:27:23.679,0:27:28.399
can be a a fair distance you know they
0:27:26.159,0:27:30.440
may even move out of hearing distance
0:27:28.399,0:27:32.600
from from where they were it's usually
0:27:30.440,0:27:33.399
not that extreme because they stay in
0:27:32.600,0:27:36.320
that
0:27:33.399,0:27:40.679
same you know that that adult pairs
0:27:36.320,0:27:42.640
whatever their area is they will stay
0:27:40.679,0:27:44.720
within the boundaries of that area but
0:27:42.640,0:27:47.159
they will move those pups around in it
0:27:44.720,0:27:50.039
right and so sometimes you have to you
0:27:47.159,0:27:53.039
have to try to try to relocate them if
0:27:50.039,0:27:54.760
you lose them because they've moved well
0:27:53.039,0:27:57.159
I got another question go kind of
0:27:54.760,0:27:58.720
backing back up a little bit we talked I
0:27:57.159,0:28:01.039
asked you the question about about the
0:27:58.720,0:28:04.399
chances of pup survival if they lost a
0:28:01.039,0:28:06.720
parent or lost both parents uh let's go
0:28:04.399,0:28:09.519
back to that one more time and and how
0:28:06.720,0:28:12.120
old does a c how old does a cow pup need
0:28:09.519,0:28:14.600
to be that it can actually survive on
0:28:12.120,0:28:17.000
its own say say all the adults in the
0:28:14.600,0:28:19.279
family group were killed Mom and Dad
0:28:17.000,0:28:21.080
helper if there however many helpers
0:28:19.279,0:28:24.559
there was say all the adults were killed
0:28:21.080,0:28:27.919
off how old does a cow pup need to be or
0:28:24.559,0:28:31.600
has to be before it can survive on its
0:28:27.919,0:28:33.480
own to be you know whatever age you know
0:28:31.600,0:28:36.120
to make it to to make it to
0:28:33.480,0:28:38.720
winner yeah that that's a harder
0:28:36.120,0:28:40.440
question to answer well I I like I like
0:28:38.720,0:28:43.440
making it tough on you every once in a
0:28:40.440,0:28:44.200
while well after they win you know after
0:28:43.440,0:28:47.200
they
0:28:44.200,0:28:48.519
win if there were no adults to help them
0:28:47.200,0:28:52.399
you know we're talking seven eight weeks
0:28:48.519,0:28:54.279
old the odds of them surviving are slim
0:28:52.399,0:28:56.559
but they are capable you know if there's
0:28:54.279,0:28:59.039
enough stuff for them to scavenge on
0:28:56.559,0:29:02.080
berries any kind of vegetation that they
0:28:59.039,0:29:04.720
could eat if there's any kind of meat
0:29:02.080,0:29:07.279
scraps or or you know stuff that they
0:29:04.720,0:29:08.799
can scavenge on then they could survive
0:29:07.279,0:29:09.880
if nothing else another coow or
0:29:08.799,0:29:13.279
something didn't come in there and catch
0:29:09.880,0:29:15.600
them and kill them then then they could
0:29:13.279,0:29:18.320
survive you know if they can find food
0:29:15.600,0:29:19.840
they can survive and there's you know
0:29:18.320,0:29:22.600
there's they eat everything you know
0:29:19.840,0:29:25.200
they eat berries and grass and yeah
0:29:22.600,0:29:28.559
vegetation and insects and whatever they
0:29:25.200,0:29:31.360
getou they can find yeah so
0:29:28.559,0:29:34.080
they could survive but I think
0:29:31.360,0:29:35.480
that I think the odds of them surviving
0:29:34.080,0:29:37.600
when they're that little if something
0:29:35.480,0:29:39.760
happened to all the adults is probably
0:29:37.600,0:29:42.880
pretty slim something else is G another
0:29:39.760,0:29:44.519
C or something come there and catch kill
0:29:42.880,0:29:47.200
because if they're not starving to death
0:29:44.519,0:29:49.640
that's the one thing with a ky is uh you
0:29:47.200,0:29:52.399
know they're pretty paternal with their
0:29:49.640,0:29:54.279
own you know dining group but if they
0:29:52.399,0:29:57.000
stumble across another set of pups
0:29:54.279,0:29:59.799
somewhere i' say the chance the chances
0:29:57.000,0:30:03.159
of them getting killed and ate are are
0:29:59.799,0:30:04.760
fairly high right oh yeah Bob Cats goats
0:30:03.159,0:30:07.120
I mean any other Predator that's not
0:30:04.760,0:30:09.320
part of that family group is more than
0:30:07.120,0:30:11.240
likely gonna eat that Coy pup just like
0:30:09.320,0:30:14.960
it would yeah you know just like it
0:30:11.240,0:30:17.919
would come to cross a rabbit um
0:30:14.960,0:30:20.760
but they so they could survive but I
0:30:17.919,0:30:24.159
think the chances are low until you know
0:30:20.760,0:30:26.399
if you get those C pups up to what I
0:30:24.159,0:30:27.519
would call that family bust up time
0:30:26.399,0:30:29.440
frame and a lot of people think that
0:30:27.519,0:30:30.840
these cow come out of the hole and as
0:30:29.440,0:30:32.440
soon as they can run around that they
0:30:30.840,0:30:34.760
just go they just
0:30:32.440,0:30:36.679
start going out and catching their own
0:30:34.760,0:30:38.519
food and that's not how it works they
0:30:36.679,0:30:41.200
typically don't now they'll catch little
0:30:38.519,0:30:43.000
stuff like Grasshoppers and yeah bugs
0:30:41.200,0:30:45.720
and stuff like but as far as catching
0:30:43.000,0:30:48.760
bigger prey you know even small rodents
0:30:45.720,0:30:51.679
like rats and mice and bowls and stuff
0:30:48.760,0:30:55.000
like that they're typically older before
0:30:51.679,0:30:57.240
they start actually catching live prak
0:30:55.000,0:30:59.480
and one thing that kind of marks that
0:30:57.240,0:31:01.760
time frame is when they shed those baby
0:30:59.480,0:31:03.760
teeth they're they're about four five
0:31:01.760,0:31:05.840
months old when they shed those baby
0:31:03.760,0:31:08.360
teeth and that's when family bust up
0:31:05.840,0:31:11.519
that's an indicator of family bust up up
0:31:08.360,0:31:14.039
like September like September time frame
0:31:11.519,0:31:15.679
yeah yeah August August September August
0:31:14.039,0:31:18.399
about the earliest and then especially
0:31:15.679,0:31:21.200
September it be about Peak for that yeah
0:31:18.399,0:31:23.679
that's when they if they can make it to
0:31:21.200,0:31:26.720
there then theyve they've pretty much
0:31:23.679,0:31:28.880
got it made they are they will start
0:31:26.720,0:31:30.840
certified killers in
0:31:28.880,0:31:32.679
that's right that's when they turn into
0:31:30.840,0:31:34.760
the vicious animals that they're known
0:31:32.679,0:31:36.919
for because they can they can make it on
0:31:34.760,0:31:39.320
their own then they can catch stuff they
0:31:36.919,0:31:41.279
they're learning how to hunt and right
0:31:39.320,0:31:43.600
you know they will they'll be able to
0:31:41.279,0:31:46.320
make it then without the adults would
0:31:43.600,0:31:48.679
you say function yeah would you say it
0:31:46.320,0:31:51.679
it's it's kind of fair to say that maybe
0:31:48.679,0:31:52.480
like even like the July time frame that
0:31:51.679,0:31:55.039
if
0:31:52.480,0:31:58.960
there's lots of food around say it is
0:31:55.039,0:32:02.559
like a big grasshopper cicada or fruit
0:31:58.960,0:32:04.519
year or whatever a July Coy pup could
0:32:02.559,0:32:06.120
probably survive on just Scavenging
0:32:04.519,0:32:07.399
around for the most part long as
0:32:06.120,0:32:10.120
something didn't kill it wouldn't you
0:32:07.399,0:32:12.080
think I mean far as getting enough food
0:32:10.120,0:32:14.480
absolutely once they're big enough that
0:32:12.080,0:32:17.000
they that they can run around you know
0:32:14.480,0:32:18.960
they get their legs up under them pretty
0:32:17.000,0:32:21.000
good and have a little bit of range you
0:32:18.960,0:32:23.799
know to where they can travel a little
0:32:21.000,0:32:25.840
bit then yeah I think that they can they
0:32:23.799,0:32:27.679
can scavenge and survive if if nothing
0:32:25.840,0:32:29.799
else catches and kills them that would
0:32:27.679,0:32:32.120
be the biggest and of course during
0:32:29.799,0:32:34.440
spring and summer most areas are going
0:32:32.120,0:32:39.240
to have plenty of food for them to
0:32:34.440,0:32:40.799
scavenge in vegetation whatever so yeah
0:32:39.240,0:32:43.399
they
0:32:40.799,0:32:46.519
it's I don't know of any other animal
0:32:43.399,0:32:49.000
that is uh is as resilient as a coow is
0:32:46.519,0:32:50.880
when it comes to survival right right I
0:32:49.000,0:32:52.519
got one more question to ask you on that
0:32:50.880,0:32:54.840
we pretty much already covered it but we
0:32:52.519,0:32:57.880
can just cover this real real quick how
0:32:54.840,0:33:00.039
many coyotes usually help raise uh new
0:32:57.880,0:33:03.039
litter of pups we know for a given it's
0:33:00.039,0:33:05.639
going to be a mom and dad but when it
0:33:03.039,0:33:08.039
does come to helpers is there generally
0:33:05.639,0:33:09.880
more than a one than one helper Co that
0:33:08.039,0:33:12.399
sticks around and helps with with a din
0:33:09.880,0:33:14.760
or can it be more than just uh say a
0:33:12.399,0:33:17.799
group of three adult cows or a group of
0:33:14.760,0:33:20.840
two to three can it be two additional
0:33:17.799,0:33:21.720
helpers at sometimes or or more is that
0:33:20.840,0:33:24.320
ever
0:33:21.720,0:33:25.880
happen I haven't witnessed it with my
0:33:24.320,0:33:27.960
codes I do know that there are
0:33:25.880,0:33:30.200
documented cases of that to where there
0:33:27.960,0:33:32.480
have been you know multiple adults four
0:33:30.200,0:33:35.440
or five adults that are participating in
0:33:32.480,0:33:38.159
a family group I don't think it's very
0:33:35.440,0:33:40.080
it's very common and I think P cow
0:33:38.159,0:33:43.600
populations probably contribute to that
0:33:40.080,0:33:46.559
a lot but uh yeah it it is possible for
0:33:43.600,0:33:49.559
there to be you know three four and
0:33:46.559,0:33:51.639
possibly more adults I mean right I know
0:33:49.559,0:33:53.360
you see it and uh some other people may
0:33:51.639,0:33:55.679
not know what they're looking at but not
0:33:53.360,0:33:57.880
too long ago there was a few videos
0:33:55.679,0:34:00.799
trail camera videos of people you know
0:33:57.880,0:34:02.679
posting pictures of of cows and thinking
0:34:00.799,0:34:04.519
man these cow pups seem awfully big must
0:34:02.679,0:34:06.880
have been born early but what they were
0:34:04.519,0:34:09.040
actually looking at was a ma pair that
0:34:06.880,0:34:12.040
still had two or three pups from the
0:34:09.040,0:34:14.240
previous litter that were still right
0:34:12.040,0:34:15.879
you part of that family group and
0:34:14.240,0:34:19.040
potentially would St you know because it
0:34:15.879,0:34:21.599
was time for them to have pups so the
0:34:19.040,0:34:25.159
the potential was there
0:34:21.599,0:34:28.000
for that group of adults you know yland
0:34:25.159,0:34:31.040
and adults to remain part of that family
0:34:28.000,0:34:33.240
group with the addition of PS I I know
0:34:31.040,0:34:35.800
it's this has been a few years ago but
0:34:33.240,0:34:37.560
we were hunting in Kansas uh Den SE we
0:34:35.800,0:34:38.919
actually were decoy dogging so you know
0:34:37.560,0:34:40.839
it was smack dab right in the middle of
0:34:38.919,0:34:43.320
the summer I think it was probably like
0:34:40.839,0:34:46.960
it like June or July type hunt and we
0:34:43.320,0:34:49.359
actually called in four actually as we
0:34:46.960,0:34:51.760
walked in we actually jumped up some
0:34:49.359,0:34:53.520
pups and it was in that time frame of
0:34:51.760,0:34:55.480
course the pups went in the ground this
0:34:53.520,0:34:57.320
was actually just in some prairie grass
0:34:55.480,0:34:58.320
pasture field and this little little
0:34:57.320,0:35:00.040
walk
0:34:58.320,0:35:02.920
there's two or three pups take off
0:35:00.040,0:35:04.520
running so we just sat down right there
0:35:02.920,0:35:05.960
put the call out not 20 foot in front of
0:35:04.520,0:35:08.640
us get the calling cuz we walked right
0:35:05.960,0:35:11.000
in there on that you know pup rearing
0:35:08.640,0:35:15.599
place you know that that area and we
0:35:11.000,0:35:17.079
actually called in four adult coyes um
0:35:15.599,0:35:21.040
and we killed two of them the two that
0:35:17.079,0:35:24.000
we killed were females now we know we
0:35:21.040,0:35:26.320
called in at least three females because
0:35:24.000,0:35:28.240
there was one wet female you could tell
0:35:26.320,0:35:29.960
because I mean she had you know teeth
0:35:28.240,0:35:32.440
sagging she was very visible that she
0:35:29.960,0:35:35.359
was nursing pups we didn't get her
0:35:32.440,0:35:37.880
killed but we did kill two other females
0:35:35.359,0:35:40.280
we killed two of the four coyotes and
0:35:37.880,0:35:43.160
one female was probably it was a young
0:35:40.280,0:35:45.599
coyote it was probably a yearling you
0:35:43.160,0:35:48.720
know from the from the previous litter
0:35:45.599,0:35:50.480
okay right but the other coyote Tori and
0:35:48.720,0:35:53.400
you've probably seen this before the
0:35:50.480,0:35:56.319
other female coyote was absolutely
0:35:53.400,0:35:57.839
ancient I'm talking about not a tooth in
0:35:56.319,0:36:00.280
her head I think she didn't have tooth
0:35:57.839,0:36:02.680
in her head I think she had lost one eye
0:36:00.280,0:36:06.760
I don't know how old she was um her
0:36:02.680,0:36:09.319
fangs her canines were were wore down to
0:36:06.760,0:36:11.760
almost nothing and her teeth in between
0:36:09.319,0:36:14.319
her her Kines were were non-existent it
0:36:11.760,0:36:16.800
was just gums so we killed like a yearin
0:36:14.319,0:36:19.680
from the from the previous year female
0:36:16.800,0:36:22.720
and then an absolute Grandma ancient
0:36:19.680,0:36:25.839
female kyot but the I'm pretty you know
0:36:22.720,0:36:29.119
the dad and the the Mama C got away from
0:36:25.839,0:36:31.200
us I mean they all come in they come
0:36:29.119,0:36:34.079
from two different direction both you
0:36:31.200,0:36:35.839
know two pairs of them came in and they
0:36:34.079,0:36:38.599
had to just be right there all four of
0:36:35.839,0:36:41.839
them helping raise that litter of pups
0:36:38.599,0:36:43.839
yeah I something I have seen as far as
0:36:41.839,0:36:45.440
you know actually and this may be a
0:36:43.839,0:36:47.960
situation what you describe may be one
0:36:45.440,0:36:50.680
of those situations I have seen this
0:36:47.960,0:36:53.920
with the coats that we've raised where a
0:36:50.680,0:36:55.800
litter of pups may stay on in the area
0:36:53.920,0:36:57.680
and that some of them don't I've seen
0:36:55.800,0:37:00.040
this with a couple male pups too where
0:36:57.680,0:37:02.480
those two mail pups were still running
0:37:00.040,0:37:05.280
together and they were tolerated in the
0:37:02.480,0:37:07.200
area yeah yeah they didn't actually help
0:37:05.280,0:37:09.800
they weren't actually helpers as far as
0:37:07.200,0:37:13.680
raising the pups but they were still
0:37:09.800,0:37:17.160
part of the resident CS in that area and
0:37:13.680,0:37:19.720
so sometimes I coachs are so you know
0:37:17.160,0:37:21.800
there's so many variables as to what
0:37:19.720,0:37:24.160
happens and right I don't think there's
0:37:21.800,0:37:26.599
any any definites and there's been other
0:37:24.160,0:37:28.680
documented cases with some things that
0:37:26.599,0:37:30.920
are a little bit out out of the norm for
0:37:28.680,0:37:33.720
what typically happens with cats so I
0:37:30.920,0:37:35.920
think you can have a variety of
0:37:33.720,0:37:38.560
situations a lot of times again I think
0:37:35.920,0:37:41.119
it has to do with C populations but
0:37:38.560,0:37:43.560
right right I think you can have and and
0:37:41.119,0:37:45.480
typically not always they've done DNA
0:37:43.560,0:37:48.280
stuff on some of these typically they
0:37:45.480,0:37:50.839
are related CS that are shared right you
0:37:48.280,0:37:54.839
know that area and you know from
0:37:50.839,0:37:58.319
previous lers that may be you know two
0:37:54.839,0:37:59.800
years or older uh it's not but it does
0:37:58.319,0:38:01.760
happen so I I think you could have a
0:37:59.800,0:38:04.319
variety of stuff especially when you're
0:38:01.760,0:38:06.839
calling in those big numbers I know
0:38:04.319,0:38:08.839
three separate occasions and uh and
0:38:06.839,0:38:10.480
these are on video too one of them was
0:38:08.839,0:38:13.560
one of the earliest hunts we ever did we
0:38:10.480,0:38:15.040
call in 14 coats all on video you can
0:38:13.560,0:38:16.960
Jason actually when he was editing the
0:38:15.040,0:38:20.160
video he's he's putting a counter on
0:38:16.960,0:38:25.000
them as they come in but we had 14 come
0:38:20.160,0:38:28.880
in on that stand we've had a water CS
0:38:25.000,0:38:31.359
yeah that's what I call him a water C he
0:38:28.880,0:38:34.960
as what w was for the people that don't
0:38:31.359,0:38:36.800
use yeah a lot it's a wallot of codes
0:38:34.960,0:38:38.319
and I think what we had there and if you
0:38:36.800,0:38:40.280
you know if you watch that video This
0:38:38.319,0:38:42.640
was later in summer those pups were
0:38:40.280,0:38:44.960
pretty good size but you they were still
0:38:42.640,0:38:46.400
enough you could tell the difference in
0:38:44.960,0:38:48.640
size of the couchs that were running
0:38:46.400,0:38:51.480
through you could tell that you had you
0:38:48.640,0:38:54.960
know probably four or five maybe more
0:38:51.480,0:38:59.280
adults in that group and then these pups
0:38:54.960,0:39:02.079
so odds are you well it's not odds it
0:38:59.280,0:39:03.720
definitely had to be a mated pair and
0:39:02.079,0:39:06.160
then some other adult CS that were
0:39:03.720,0:39:10.680
either staying as helpers or there that
0:39:06.160,0:39:13.520
were at least tolerated to stay in that
0:39:10.680,0:39:16.040
uh that area and they were probably pups
0:39:13.520,0:39:20.280
from the previous year or two's litter
0:39:16.040,0:39:22.760
that were you know uh family members of
0:39:20.280,0:39:24.920
that entire group Ken to that in some
0:39:22.760,0:39:26.480
way to that entire group I I'll tell you
0:39:24.920,0:39:28.480
something pretty interesting about that
0:39:26.480,0:39:31.440
stand that I just talked about there a
0:39:28.480,0:39:33.720
minute ago U me and you've mentioned it
0:39:31.440,0:39:37.160
we've mentioned this before usually like
0:39:33.720,0:39:39.280
if you you encounter a mean mouthy
0:39:37.160,0:39:41.560
Snappy Co a lot of times it's female
0:39:39.280,0:39:44.880
them females are man they just they're
0:39:41.560,0:39:47.200
mean and with this coyot stand when
0:39:44.880,0:39:49.000
those four adults come running in they
0:39:47.200,0:39:50.520
were they had a little standoff deal
0:39:49.000,0:39:53.200
with with the decoy dogs we had one
0:39:50.520,0:39:54.720
decoy dog on that hunt and but they
0:39:53.200,0:39:56.839
didn't spend much time there they didn't
0:39:54.720,0:39:58.319
want to fool to decoy dog too much three
0:39:56.839,0:40:01.280
of the four
0:39:58.319,0:40:03.880
pretty much run off went just went away
0:40:01.280,0:40:06.319
the one that we we killed one of them
0:40:03.880,0:40:10.079
but the one that really stuck around and
0:40:06.319,0:40:12.960
and was you know wanting to fight was
0:40:10.079,0:40:14.800
trying to run the dog out of the area uh
0:40:12.960,0:40:17.880
actually put on a show wasn't 20 steps
0:40:14.800,0:40:19.240
from us was that old ancient female
0:40:17.880,0:40:20.800
coyot I mean like I said I don't know
0:40:19.240,0:40:23.119
how old she was she practically come
0:40:20.800,0:40:28.560
running in there with a walker or a cane
0:40:23.119,0:40:30.920
okay but she was she Yap she h she
0:40:28.560,0:40:34.040
challenged she did everything in the
0:40:30.920,0:40:36.040
world besides eat us up on that standing
0:40:34.040,0:40:37.359
she was the most aggressive coyote out
0:40:36.040,0:40:40.720
of those
0:40:37.359,0:40:42.720
four yeah oh I mean without a doubt I
0:40:40.720,0:40:45.560
mean you know without a doubt the mean
0:40:42.720,0:40:48.560
is most aggressive coyot in a bunch like
0:40:45.560,0:40:50.680
like we've talked about before and and
0:40:48.560,0:40:53.280
female Coy they just like women they
0:40:50.680,0:40:55.520
they the meanest they got the worst
0:40:53.280,0:40:58.480
intentions worst
0:40:55.520,0:41:00.400
intentions men are men are stronger and
0:40:58.480,0:41:03.520
maybe capable of more damage but them
0:41:00.400,0:41:05.599
females have they got bad intentions and
0:41:03.520,0:41:08.599
they they're violent and they're pretty
0:41:05.599,0:41:10.440
mean yeah yeah they do more damage just
0:41:08.599,0:41:12.720
because they uh their intentions are
0:41:10.440,0:41:13.920
worse yeah we won't get too deep into
0:41:12.720,0:41:17.880
that because I don't want to get us in
0:41:13.920,0:41:20.839
trouble but but I'm right there with you
0:41:17.880,0:41:22.480
TOR all let's let's let's get talk we're
0:41:20.839,0:41:24.880
talking about calling cods a little bit
0:41:22.480,0:41:27.720
we'll stay right on that line uh one
0:41:24.880,0:41:30.880
thing that uh is new out there right now
0:41:27.720,0:41:33.079
is there is a new sound release from mfk
0:41:30.880,0:41:36.319
game calls that you you can find on the
0:41:33.079,0:41:39.839
gofoxpro.com website and mfk game
0:41:36.319,0:41:41.560
calls.com website it's a it's a new uh
0:41:39.839,0:41:43.800
Dent we might as well call it a dening
0:41:41.560,0:41:47.359
season package right it's some new pup
0:41:43.800,0:41:50.200
sounds and stuff like that um you don't
0:41:47.359,0:41:51.880
have to really cover it in detail but
0:41:50.200,0:41:54.960
you want to just give them a little info
0:41:51.880,0:41:58.119
on on the new sound release Tori yeah
0:41:54.960,0:41:59.839
and it is it is specific specifically
0:41:58.119,0:42:02.440
when I put these sounds
0:41:59.839,0:42:05.000
together i' had recorded from multiple
0:42:02.440,0:42:06.560
that it involves three separate letters
0:42:05.000,0:42:09.160
these sounds involve three separate
0:42:06.560,0:42:11.319
letters and they were specifically
0:42:09.160,0:42:12.760
handpicked to cover this time of the
0:42:11.319,0:42:16.119
year and what we've talked about in this
0:42:12.760,0:42:18.400
podcast both to cover you on pups that
0:42:16.119,0:42:20.240
are still in the ground pups that are
0:42:18.400,0:42:22.280
just out of the ground and even easing
0:42:20.240,0:42:25.160
into that pup rearing time frame when
0:42:22.280,0:42:28.160
your pups start going into their pecking
0:42:25.160,0:42:30.520
order fights start learning into how all
0:42:28.160,0:42:34.960
of that kind of stuff and just a a quick
0:42:30.520,0:42:37.400
overview of some of the sounds there are
0:42:34.960,0:42:40.000
several pup distress sounds well let me
0:42:37.400,0:42:41.280
just back up that starts with those pups
0:42:40.000,0:42:43.880
in the ground there's a sound called
0:42:41.280,0:42:47.119
Birthday litter and got milk those are
0:42:43.880,0:42:49.200
both pup sounds that are hungry pups in
0:42:47.119,0:42:50.800
the ground in the hole they are not pup
0:42:49.200,0:42:53.160
distress sounds so that's that's a
0:42:50.800,0:42:55.839
separate trigger besides you know all to
0:42:53.160,0:42:58.119
itself they are hungry pup sounds and so
0:42:55.839,0:43:00.920
that gets you started with those newborn
0:42:58.119,0:43:03.160
pups in the den and those sounds are
0:43:00.920,0:43:04.760
they do a really good job of triggering
0:43:03.160,0:43:08.200
those den and pairs that are in those
0:43:04.760,0:43:11.400
early stages and from there released
0:43:08.200,0:43:14.480
several different uh pup distress sounds
0:43:11.400,0:43:17.440
that are you know actual distress pup
0:43:14.480,0:43:20.599
distress sounds and they are from I made
0:43:17.440,0:43:22.000
sure to include several different pups
0:43:20.599,0:43:23.839
so if you look through those sounds
0:43:22.000,0:43:26.240
you'll see different names every time
0:43:23.839,0:43:28.079
you see a different name you can be
0:43:26.240,0:43:30.119
assured that that is a different pup
0:43:28.079,0:43:32.760
with a different voice and I also made
0:43:30.119,0:43:35.640
sure to pick those sounds from pups of
0:43:32.760,0:43:37.599
different age classes so that gives you
0:43:35.640,0:43:40.040
a lot more trigger options so if you're
0:43:37.599,0:43:41.960
on stand and you're playing you know a
0:43:40.040,0:43:43.599
two- week pup and you don't get a
0:43:41.960,0:43:45.520
response after a couple minutes you can
0:43:43.599,0:43:48.480
kick right over and move to a six week
0:43:45.520,0:43:50.559
pup or eight-week pup and you get a
0:43:48.480,0:43:52.240
different pup with a different voice and
0:43:50.559,0:43:54.200
also a different age class that will
0:43:52.240,0:43:56.480
give you a different Rhythm a different
0:43:54.200,0:43:58.280
tone because it's a different pup with a
0:43:56.480,0:43:59.960
different voice and that will help you
0:43:58.280,0:44:02.480
trigger some CS that maybe didn't
0:43:59.960,0:44:04.599
trigger on the first pup sound that you
0:44:02.480,0:44:06.480
tried and I like to run through those
0:44:04.599,0:44:08.040
sounds that way and from there I moved
0:44:06.480,0:44:10.319
right into we talking about the Peck and
0:44:08.040,0:44:12.400
order stuff that starts up as those pups
0:44:10.319,0:44:13.800
get out of the den three four weeks old
0:44:12.400,0:44:18.079
they go to fight and forming that
0:44:13.800,0:44:19.960
pecking order I in I included several
0:44:18.079,0:44:22.119
Peck and Order pup fights of different
0:44:19.960,0:44:25.559
age classes from different pups with
0:44:22.119,0:44:27.920
different voices uh to cover the pup
0:44:25.559,0:44:30.359
rearing portion and the pup early stages
0:44:27.920,0:44:32.760
of P pecking order those will all give
0:44:30.359,0:44:34.680
you another type of trigger for this
0:44:32.760,0:44:37.200
time of the year and then on top of that
0:44:34.680,0:44:40.280
I put in a couple of pup food fights and
0:44:37.200,0:44:42.040
those trigger for a different reason and
0:44:40.280,0:44:43.920
then to finish it off threw in a social
0:44:42.040,0:44:45.720
interaction sound I really like this
0:44:43.920,0:44:49.160
sound this time of the year it's called
0:44:45.720,0:44:50.800
Mom and Dad Den call and that that's the
0:44:49.160,0:44:53.400
adults we talked about earlier when
0:44:50.800,0:44:55.720
those pups start coming out of the den
0:44:53.400,0:44:57.480
and they're they come out of the den to
0:44:55.720,0:44:59.319
nurse and they'll come out of the den to
0:44:57.480,0:45:01.280
eat that regurgitated food well a lot of
0:44:59.319,0:45:03.520
times those pups when they're little
0:45:01.280,0:45:05.359
they're still using the den or even when
0:45:03.520,0:45:07.839
they quit using the den they're using
0:45:05.359,0:45:10.200
cover those adults will come in and that
0:45:07.839,0:45:12.760
Mom and Dad Den call is a sound that
0:45:10.200,0:45:15.280
those adults will make to get those pups
0:45:12.760,0:45:17.359
and each other to assemble so they'll
0:45:15.280,0:45:21.000
make that whimpering sound if you listen
0:45:17.359,0:45:22.640
to the sample of mom and dad Dena that's
0:45:21.000,0:45:25.440
what that sound is that's kind of an
0:45:22.640,0:45:27.160
assembly call that will call those pups
0:45:25.440,0:45:29.680
out of the den call them out of the hall
0:45:27.160,0:45:32.160
and also calls the adults will call each
0:45:29.680,0:45:33.920
other that way and they use it all times
0:45:32.160,0:45:35.520
of the year but dinning and breeding
0:45:33.920,0:45:38.520
season are the two times that you hear
0:45:35.520,0:45:40.760
that sound most y so that's one that's
0:45:38.520,0:45:44.040
in this pack that's a really good one to
0:45:40.760,0:45:47.160
have and then from there went right into
0:45:44.040,0:45:49.319
the pup house where those little pups
0:45:47.160,0:45:51.160
are just learning to how and the
0:45:49.319,0:45:52.640
earliest I've ever recorded one how and
0:45:51.160,0:45:55.040
was it about three weeks and it's
0:45:52.640,0:45:59.680
amazing to hear a three week old start
0:45:55.040,0:46:01.599
just learning yeah yeah those sounds th
0:45:59.680,0:46:03.359
those are not hows that you would use
0:46:01.599,0:46:05.640
typically to you know to try to get a
0:46:03.359,0:46:07.440
vocal response but they're absolute
0:46:05.640,0:46:09.920
Killers for calling i' say they can
0:46:07.440,0:46:11.480
produce a hard charger though won't they
0:46:09.920,0:46:13.440
oh absolutely and they will call the
0:46:11.480,0:46:15.040
pups and the adults and what's unique
0:46:13.440,0:46:16.800
about them is as those coats are
0:46:15.040,0:46:18.800
learning to how if you listen to these
0:46:16.800,0:46:20.680
sounds a lot of times it starts out with
0:46:18.800,0:46:23.079
them they're kind of whimpering it's
0:46:20.680,0:46:25.680
like a lone how it's them learning to do
0:46:23.079,0:46:27.559
a lone how so when they get separated or
0:46:25.680,0:46:29.599
off to the side they'll go to kind of
0:46:27.559,0:46:31.200
whimpering whining whining and all of a
0:46:29.599,0:46:34.640
sudden they start turning those wines
0:46:31.200,0:46:36.839
into house yeah it's they're Unique
0:46:34.640,0:46:38.839
Sounds that work really good and then I
0:46:36.839,0:46:41.280
throw it in there's one called bhead
0:46:38.839,0:46:43.800
yodel that's a little bit older age
0:46:41.280,0:46:45.319
class pup to get you you know just a
0:46:43.800,0:46:47.119
little bit deeper into it and of course
0:46:45.319,0:46:49.200
we'll cover p in a later date and
0:46:47.119,0:46:51.160
release some more sounds for that but
0:46:49.200,0:46:53.040
that bhead Yoda will be just a little
0:46:51.160,0:46:56.440
bit of progression to where they've
0:46:53.040,0:46:58.040
actually learned to how and uh that's a
0:46:56.440,0:47:00.720
good one for this time of the year and
0:46:58.040,0:47:02.839
then I threw in a pup serenade and that
0:47:00.720,0:47:05.520
it's called six pup serenade so that'll
0:47:02.839,0:47:07.800
give you that whole pup you know when
0:47:05.520,0:47:09.920
those pups are separated from the adults
0:47:07.800,0:47:11.720
and they're like again learning to how
0:47:09.920,0:47:14.440
and they're doing their group PS and
0:47:11.720,0:47:15.839
serenades um and it was from one of
0:47:14.440,0:47:18.640
those you know I told you six was the
0:47:15.839,0:47:21.480
most i' had was six pups in that yep
0:47:18.640,0:47:23.599
that's one of the six pups lits um and
0:47:21.480,0:47:25.359
then the other sound I threw one in
0:47:23.599,0:47:27.520
there I threw one prey distress in there
0:47:25.359,0:47:30.119
that you and I have talked about great
0:47:27.520,0:47:32.880
for this time of the year and it's a
0:47:30.119,0:47:35.160
baby dough ball and it is not a pond
0:47:32.880,0:47:38.119
distress it works similar it's a little
0:47:35.160,0:47:42.960
more subtle it's actually a newborn
0:47:38.119,0:47:45.760
fwn brand spanking new and she is just
0:47:42.960,0:47:49.240
just got the after birth off and is mute
0:47:45.760,0:47:51.520
hungry it's just hungry fine calling so
0:47:49.240,0:47:54.520
it's a pretty subtle subtle sound
0:47:51.520,0:47:56.359
awesome and I threw it in there because
0:47:54.520,0:47:58.960
something we've covered in previous
0:47:56.359,0:48:01.359
podcast and I'm a big believer in I
0:47:58.960,0:48:04.400
think those gos are a lot like bear you
0:48:01.359,0:48:07.280
know we we related it to Salmon Run With
0:48:04.400,0:48:08.800
Bear yeah yeah those bear they know it's
0:48:07.280,0:48:11.520
they know it's coming whether they you
0:48:08.800,0:48:14.040
know instinctually whether they actually
0:48:11.520,0:48:17.000
thinking about it or not it's
0:48:14.040,0:48:18.839
coming same thing even though most fawns
0:48:17.000,0:48:21.240
are not on the ground yet I actually
0:48:18.839,0:48:23.319
like to start using Fawn before The
0:48:21.240,0:48:25.000
Fawns get on the ground for the same
0:48:23.319,0:48:27.280
reason that the Bears show up to the
0:48:25.000,0:48:29.400
stream before the Salmon Run
0:48:27.280,0:48:31.040
those cows start keying on sounds like
0:48:29.400,0:48:32.599
that and it's not out there so when you
0:48:31.040,0:48:36.200
start throwing those fond distress
0:48:32.599,0:48:37.720
sounds out just prior to the fond drop
0:48:36.200,0:48:40.000
and on through the pond drop but
0:48:37.720,0:48:42.200
especially right now you start throwing
0:48:40.000,0:48:44.280
those Pond distress sounds out it it
0:48:42.200,0:48:46.920
accomplishes two things one the CO's
0:48:44.280,0:48:50.359
really key on it this time of the year
0:48:46.920,0:48:52.720
and it saves your prey distress sounds
0:48:50.359,0:48:57.000
that you would typically
0:48:52.720,0:48:59.040
useb yep yep yeah so I I like to use you
0:48:57.000,0:49:02.000
know when I'm going to mix pray sounds
0:48:59.040,0:49:05.359
in I like to use stuff like that because
0:49:02.000,0:49:08.520
those coats definitely trigger on it and
0:49:05.359,0:49:11.640
it's built in instinctually for them to
0:49:08.520,0:49:13.440
to be waiting on the opportunities to to
0:49:11.640,0:49:15.599
catch fonds hey all y'all out her
0:49:13.440,0:49:19.000
listening if you ain't got your ink pin
0:49:15.599,0:49:20.640
and notepad out and write notes down if
0:49:19.000,0:49:22.680
you ever going to write a note down off
0:49:20.640,0:49:26.400
his podcast it's probably a really good
0:49:22.680,0:49:29.119
one right there to jot down uh Tori and
0:49:26.400,0:49:31.480
I are are you know we to that's big on
0:49:29.119,0:49:34.680
saving certain sounds for certain times
0:49:31.480,0:49:36.520
of year and you know sounds that get
0:49:34.680,0:49:38.559
pounded like your bird distresses and
0:49:36.520,0:49:40.160
your rabbits you know if you're burning
0:49:38.559,0:49:41.599
them up all through spring and all
0:49:40.160,0:49:44.640
through summer they're not going to be
0:49:41.599,0:49:48.440
near as effective come say October and
0:49:44.640,0:49:49.880
November uh Hey play that fond to stress
0:49:48.440,0:49:51.480
how me I mean I don't know how many
0:49:49.880,0:49:53.839
dozens of coyotes I've killed off
0:49:51.480,0:49:55.240
fondest dresses and and and sounds like
0:49:53.839,0:49:56.760
you're talking about their toys so
0:49:55.240,0:49:59.319
people you know if you're want to mix in
0:49:56.760,0:50:01.240
pray to stress throw it in there this
0:49:59.319,0:50:03.720
time of year that fond fond distress
0:50:01.240,0:50:05.720
type sound that F this new fond sound
0:50:03.720,0:50:08.200
I'm looking forward to try this like you
0:50:05.720,0:50:12.119
said a little bit more subtle uh should
0:50:08.200,0:50:14.400
be work it should be absolute fire um it
0:50:12.119,0:50:16.359
worked good last spring and summer some
0:50:14.400,0:50:19.280
of those Tennessee hunts we were we were
0:50:16.359,0:50:21.799
using it then yeah and you get to watch
0:50:19.280,0:50:23.680
the coach trigger to it and and you know
0:50:21.799,0:50:25.079
you you and I both hear the people you
0:50:23.680,0:50:26.960
know like play the rabbit play the
0:50:25.079,0:50:29.319
rabbit year round it works year round
0:50:26.960,0:50:31.559
rabbit does work year round but if
0:50:29.319,0:50:33.839
you're one of those guys and like most
0:50:31.559,0:50:36.960
hunters are most people have limited
0:50:33.839,0:50:40.000
property they can home yes and so even
0:50:36.960,0:50:41.280
though rabbit will work year round a lot
0:50:40.000,0:50:42.960
of times it's a good idea if you're
0:50:41.280,0:50:45.319
having to hunt those properties and keep
0:50:42.960,0:50:48.000
them in a rotation that's a way for you
0:50:45.319,0:50:50.040
to to use sounds that are just as
0:50:48.000,0:50:52.480
effective if not more effective at
0:50:50.040,0:50:54.520
particular times of the year and allow
0:50:52.480,0:50:57.359
you to save some of those sounds so that
0:50:54.520,0:50:58.960
you can rotate those on your properties
0:50:57.359,0:51:01.359
that you're hunting you know spring
0:50:58.960,0:51:03.920
summer fall winter and maybe several
0:51:01.359,0:51:05.839
times a year right it just it works good
0:51:03.920,0:51:08.359
and Fonda stress is one of those sounds
0:51:05.839,0:51:10.920
that will work year round just like any
0:51:08.359,0:51:13.599
other sound it will work year round but
0:51:10.920,0:51:16.559
I firmly believe that that fond distress
0:51:13.599,0:51:18.760
is one of those sounds that has a peak
0:51:16.559,0:51:22.280
time that it that it works its best and
0:51:18.760,0:51:26.160
that is just prior to fond drop through
0:51:22.280,0:51:28.760
fwn drop and then it seems to not have I
0:51:26.160,0:51:31.319
don't as many with it and I don't use it
0:51:28.760,0:51:34.079
as often outside of that time frame and
0:51:31.319,0:51:37.319
I do think that relates back to an
0:51:34.079,0:51:38.839
instinctual triggering coats that
0:51:37.319,0:51:40.960
are
0:51:38.839,0:51:43.480
just there's no better way to say it
0:51:40.960,0:51:47.280
they are just instinctually
0:51:43.480,0:51:50.440
tuned to for that pawn drop time of the
0:51:47.280,0:51:53.559
year and so using that sound timing it
0:51:50.440,0:51:56.280
right helps it be more effective and
0:51:53.559,0:51:58.760
save some of those sounds exactly a no
0:51:56.280,0:52:01.960
go back to like you know just play the
0:51:58.760,0:52:03.799
rabbit type comments you know we
0:52:01.960,0:52:06.480
understand there's there's people that
0:52:03.799,0:52:08.359
can do that but just like Tori said if
0:52:06.480,0:52:10.760
if you got to rotate ground if you you
0:52:08.359,0:52:12.559
know if if you have a lot of hunters in
0:52:10.760,0:52:14.680
your area and you don't have a lot of
0:52:12.559,0:52:17.440
ground that you can
0:52:14.680,0:52:18.960
hunt you could really dictate how many
0:52:17.440,0:52:22.040
coyotes you going to call up throughout
0:52:18.960,0:52:24.079
the year on the type of sounds you play
0:52:22.040,0:52:25.839
and when you play them we're all the
0:52:24.079,0:52:27.440
time talking about sounds and sequences
0:52:25.839,0:52:31.119
and the reason we do it is for those
0:52:27.440,0:52:33.240
type of people um you know let's let's
0:52:31.119,0:52:35.559
put it into perspective here I live in
0:52:33.240,0:52:38.000
the state of Kentucky I try to stay out
0:52:35.559,0:52:40.799
of the city of Louisville okay I'm not
0:52:38.000,0:52:46.119
much on the city stuff but just for
0:52:40.799,0:52:48.559
example there is over 620 620 630,000
0:52:46.119,0:52:51.079
people uh in Louisville that's the
0:52:48.559,0:52:54.440
population of Louisville is around
0:52:51.079,0:52:57.040
625,000 people well I think if you look
0:52:54.440,0:52:59.640
up the state of Wyoming there ain't but
0:52:57.040,0:53:01.799
500 some thousand people total that live
0:52:59.640,0:53:03.760
in the whole state of
0:53:01.799,0:53:05.559
Wyoming I don't know if you people are
0:53:03.760,0:53:07.960
getting what I'm see what I'm getting at
0:53:05.559,0:53:10.640
here but there's a lot think about
0:53:07.960,0:53:12.160
moving right right and then like say for
0:53:10.640,0:53:14.400
instance say let's compare we got a lot
0:53:12.160,0:53:17.559
of people from Pennsylvania to listen
0:53:14.400,0:53:19.200
that's leown Pennsylvania is is home for
0:53:17.559,0:53:21.319
Fox Pro game calls that's where all of
0:53:19.200,0:53:23.480
your electronic game calls are made is
0:53:21.319,0:53:26.520
right there in leown Pennsylvania when
0:53:23.480,0:53:28.599
it comes opening day a deer rifle season
0:53:26.520,0:53:31.680
they put almost a million hunters in the
0:53:28.599,0:53:33.319
woods I said 1 million y'all heard me
0:53:31.680,0:53:35.119
right it's it's way up there I think
0:53:33.319,0:53:39.200
it's kind of dialed back some now but
0:53:35.119,0:53:41.599
it's still like 7 800,000 licensed
0:53:39.200,0:53:43.520
Hunter hunters from year to year in the
0:53:41.599,0:53:44.960
state of Pennsylvania well you can take
0:53:43.520,0:53:48.960
a state like North
0:53:44.960,0:53:50.640
Dakota and they won't have but you know
0:53:48.960,0:53:53.200
I had to look it up but there's I
0:53:50.640,0:53:55.599
guarantee you there's less total people
0:53:53.200,0:53:57.319
in the whole state of North Dakota than
0:53:55.599,0:53:59.839
there is licensed Hunters they put in
0:53:57.319,0:54:02.079
the woods in Pennsylvania so you see
0:53:59.839,0:54:03.880
what I'm saying here is you can have
0:54:02.079,0:54:06.960
hundreds of thousands of Acres that you
0:54:03.880,0:54:10.200
can hunt and you don't have too much
0:54:06.960,0:54:12.319
competition to go after you know you can
0:54:10.200,0:54:14.319
play one sound all year round and burn
0:54:12.319,0:54:16.160
kyotes up from January 1 all the way
0:54:14.319,0:54:18.040
around to December 31st but if you're
0:54:16.160,0:54:19.839
somebody that's in contention with a lot
0:54:18.040,0:54:21.680
of more a lot of other hunters and you
0:54:19.839,0:54:24.000
got limited ground you can hunt you
0:54:21.680,0:54:26.480
better pay attention what sound you run
0:54:24.000,0:54:28.040
at certain times of year it can really
0:54:26.480,0:54:29.720
really make a difference in how many
0:54:28.040,0:54:30.319
cows you going to call up save you a lot
0:54:29.720,0:54:32.240
of
0:54:30.319,0:54:34.480
headache I don't know if I made any
0:54:32.240,0:54:37.160
sense with all that yeah yeah I mean
0:54:34.480,0:54:38.799
that's yeah yeah 100% I mean if you've
0:54:37.160,0:54:42.160
got competition you've got limited
0:54:38.799,0:54:45.400
ground you have to you have to rotate a
0:54:42.160,0:54:48.480
lot of things and and if you and nothing
0:54:45.400,0:54:50.520
keeps you if you are some that has a lot
0:54:48.480,0:54:52.799
of confidence in a particular rabbit
0:54:50.520,0:54:54.400
sound there's nothing that keeps you
0:54:52.799,0:54:56.520
let's say you you know that there are
0:54:54.400,0:54:57.920
cods there and you've went through some
0:54:56.520,0:55:00.480
The Sounds we've talked about you've
0:54:57.920,0:55:02.760
played that newborn fwn sound baby
0:55:00.480,0:55:04.680
doughball you played that and you hadn't
0:55:02.760,0:55:08.040
called a code up there's nothing it
0:55:04.680,0:55:10.319
keeps you from throwing your your go-to
0:55:08.040,0:55:12.599
rabbit sound at them if you want to any
0:55:10.319,0:55:15.400
time of the year but if you can call
0:55:12.599,0:55:18.040
those CS up on especially limited
0:55:15.400,0:55:21.160
property if you can call those CS up
0:55:18.040,0:55:23.280
during the Spring and Summer with a fond
0:55:21.160,0:55:25.400
distress sound or a [ __ ] sound or some
0:55:23.280,0:55:29.799
of these pup sounds young age class pup
0:55:25.400,0:55:32.440
sounds that keeps that window open later
0:55:29.799,0:55:34.599
in the year for other sounds that you
0:55:32.440,0:55:36.079
haven't played so you could you can
0:55:34.599,0:55:37.760
still throw that sound out there it's
0:55:36.079,0:55:39.400
not gonna hurt anything to follow it if
0:55:37.760,0:55:41.000
you just if you think that might make
0:55:39.400,0:55:42.720
the difference but if you can kill the
0:55:41.000,0:55:44.760
cow earlier in the stand on a different
0:55:42.720,0:55:46.920
sound you can keep your favorite rabbit
0:55:44.760,0:55:49.599
in your pocket for a different stand
0:55:46.920,0:55:52.480
later in the year or whenever so that's
0:55:49.599,0:55:54.520
that's kind of how I I try to think
0:55:52.480,0:55:56.960
about stuff like that and
0:55:54.520,0:55:59.160
strategize my property and where I'm
0:55:56.960,0:56:01.039
hunting and and make the most of the
0:55:59.160,0:56:03.359
sounds that I have access to the
0:56:01.039,0:56:06.559
property I have access to and that way I
0:56:03.359,0:56:07.920
can overall throughout the entire year
0:56:06.559,0:56:10.400
if I'm hitting some of these places more
0:56:07.920,0:56:12.480
than once right hopefully that allows me
0:56:10.400,0:56:15.720
to to have a bigger pile at the end of
0:56:12.480,0:56:17.760
the year because I've saved some of
0:56:15.720,0:56:19.880
those sounds for specific times of the
0:56:17.760,0:56:22.000
year and others for other times of the
0:56:19.880,0:56:24.039
year right just keeps kind of keeps your
0:56:22.000,0:56:25.680
C's ears fresh so to speak even though
0:56:24.039,0:56:26.760
you may be calling that property
0:56:25.680,0:56:30.720
multiple times
0:56:26.760,0:56:32.640
exactly exactly and and go off what I
0:56:30.720,0:56:34.359
just said there earlier it kind of got
0:56:32.640,0:56:38.119
my mind thinking and I'm not picking on
0:56:34.359,0:56:40.760
The Dakotas or any other states but um
0:56:38.119,0:56:44.599
population of South Dakota is 999,000
0:56:40.760,0:56:48.799
people population of North Dakota is 779
0:56:44.599,0:56:48.799
th000 people Wyoming is
0:56:54.319,0:56:58.240
581,000 million people
0:56:58.839,0:57:02.160
and you see there's just a difference
0:57:00.920,0:57:04.079
when it comes to these some of these
0:57:02.160,0:57:05.280
states and what you know cuz if you
0:57:04.079,0:57:06.559
usually if you have more people you
0:57:05.280,0:57:09.680
going to have more hunters and like I
0:57:06.559,0:57:15.200
said I know let's say North Dakota here
0:57:09.680,0:57:15.200
it's got 780,000 people there 779-2628
0:57:26.280,0:57:31.599
start factoring in the C population in
0:57:28.680,0:57:33.520
those areas versus the human population
0:57:31.599,0:57:35.720
and the habitat then the area that
0:57:33.520,0:57:39.839
you've got to hunt all of those things
0:57:35.720,0:57:41.799
factor in to your calling strategy for
0:57:39.839,0:57:44.160
different areas and there are some
0:57:41.799,0:57:45.880
places where you have a higher C if
0:57:44.160,0:57:48.400
you've got a place that's got a high C
0:57:45.880,0:57:50.440
population and a low human population
0:57:48.400,0:57:52.680
and you've got access to unlimited
0:57:50.440,0:57:55.039
ground you can basically do whatever you
0:57:52.680,0:57:56.680
want to and stay on codes all year long
0:57:55.039,0:57:59.880
if you've got
0:57:56.680,0:58:03.160
a high human population especially
0:57:59.880,0:58:07.839
Hunter population in competition and a
0:58:03.160,0:58:09.799
lower code density and less ground then
0:58:07.839,0:58:11.520
the strategy for the sounds you use and
0:58:09.799,0:58:13.240
the way you go about making stands
0:58:11.520,0:58:15.400
throughout the year you've got to put a
0:58:13.240,0:58:18.359
little more thought into that to stay
0:58:15.400,0:58:20.200
successful all year long exactly I'm
0:58:18.359,0:58:21.720
glad you said it that way I was kind of
0:58:20.200,0:58:23.720
that's what I was trying to get at
0:58:21.720,0:58:25.400
perfect hey we make pretty good team
0:58:23.720,0:58:27.920
Tory cook that's exactly what I was
0:58:25.400,0:58:30.240
trying to get at and just and and me
0:58:27.920,0:58:32.280
saying this guys if you're from North
0:58:30.240,0:58:35.440
Dakota if you're from South Dakota I'm
0:58:32.280,0:58:37.720
not I love The Dakotas I was on a corner
0:58:35.440,0:58:39.880
of South Dakota just last week can't
0:58:37.720,0:58:42.880
wait to go back I love those States I
0:58:39.880,0:58:47.119
was in Wyoming all week last week um
0:58:42.880,0:58:52.079
love the states I'm not I'm not a
0:58:47.119,0:58:55.119
um uh federal census data
0:58:52.079,0:58:56.720
gatherer for PO for human populations or
0:58:55.119,0:58:58.079
nothing like that it's just you know
0:58:56.720,0:59:00.160
something that popped in my mind when we
0:58:58.079,0:59:02.200
got to talk about you know the sounds
0:59:00.160,0:59:04.079
and saving sounds and why it would be a
0:59:02.200,0:59:05.839
good idea that versus somebody that says
0:59:04.079,0:59:08.520
just play the rabbit so that's that's
0:59:05.839,0:59:10.440
the background on saying that um you
0:59:08.520,0:59:13.559
know it just think about it it makes
0:59:10.440,0:59:16.599
sense it makes sense one one more point
0:59:13.559,0:59:19.079
to to that we' both talked about
0:59:16.599,0:59:20.480
before if you or I either one go hunt
0:59:19.079,0:59:21.880
somewhere else we go to a different
0:59:20.480,0:59:23.839
state we go to a different area and
0:59:21.880,0:59:26.319
there's a guy out there that is is a
0:59:23.839,0:59:28.319
successful Hunter and I listen to what
0:59:26.319,0:59:30.680
he says if he says hey man we can go out
0:59:28.319,0:59:32.000
and we can smash coats all day long all
0:59:30.680,0:59:34.760
year round and all we've got to do is
0:59:32.000,0:59:38.799
play the rabbit then I'm all far
0:59:34.760,0:59:41.520
going all day long that at all but if
0:59:38.799,0:59:43.880
somebody were to come here and let's say
0:59:41.520,0:59:45.799
they come from that area to here I would
0:59:43.880,0:59:48.200
hope that they would have think enough
0:59:45.799,0:59:50.799
of of My Success or your success in your
0:59:48.200,0:59:52.480
area you know to if I say hey we
0:59:50.799,0:59:54.599
probably need to ride around tonight the
0:59:52.480,0:59:56.839
cow population is not very good here
0:59:54.599,0:59:58.559
it's kind of sparse let's ride around
0:59:56.839,1:00:00.799
and get us some spots for in the morning
0:59:58.559,1:00:02.480
where we know we're calling coats and
1:00:00.799,1:00:04.200
then we'll go in there and we'll we'll
1:00:02.480,1:00:07.240
play some sounds that will hopefully
1:00:04.200,1:00:09.680
hold us over for a period of time I hope
1:00:07.240,1:00:11.559
that they would respect my success
1:00:09.680,1:00:13.280
enough to listen to me should they come
1:00:11.559,1:00:16.160
here and that's one of the things that
1:00:13.280,1:00:19.960
that I see online sometimes with people
1:00:16.160,1:00:23.240
using what works in their area and you
1:00:19.960,1:00:25.240
know trying to to make that the one way
1:00:23.240,1:00:27.000
to do it year round you don't have to
1:00:25.240,1:00:29.559
locate
1:00:27.000,1:00:31.720
yeah there's you see people argue over a
1:00:29.559,1:00:33.400
lot of different stuff and I'm I have
1:00:31.720,1:00:36.799
hunted enough different areas with
1:00:33.400,1:00:39.440
enough successful coow Hunters to when I
1:00:36.799,1:00:41.960
go to their area and they're successful
1:00:39.440,1:00:44.240
I shut up and listen and learn from what
1:00:41.960,1:00:46.039
they do in their area and I just add
1:00:44.240,1:00:50.119
that so if I ever go back and Hunt that
1:00:46.039,1:00:52.240
area by myself or whatever I'm I know
1:00:50.119,1:00:54.119
what works there yeah and same thing if
1:00:52.240,1:00:55.400
they come to your area or my area you
1:00:54.119,1:00:59.319
know you can pick up different
1:00:55.400,1:01:04.440
strategies that work well in different
1:00:59.319,1:01:07.520
areas of the of the US or world and
1:01:04.440,1:01:10.119
apply that when you're in those Chang in
1:01:07.520,1:01:13.119
human populations cow populations land
1:01:10.119,1:01:15.160
access all of those things
1:01:13.119,1:01:18.000
Factor kind of give me an idea for
1:01:15.160,1:01:19.720
another podcast we can make again we can
1:01:18.000,1:01:21.839
make a whole podcast series out of this
1:01:19.720,1:01:24.559
and you spot on your spot on it's like
1:01:21.839,1:01:26.720
you know me saying you know North Dakota
1:01:24.559,1:01:29.000
780,000 people there if I went up par
1:01:26.720,1:01:31.440
hunted with you know somebody I know in
1:01:29.000,1:01:32.799
North Dakota and you know they said you
1:01:31.440,1:01:34.119
know how's your season been going I said
1:01:32.799,1:01:36.680
I've been going pretty good been burn
1:01:34.119,1:01:38.000
them up on this and they say well all we
1:01:36.680,1:01:40.039
got to do up here we're just going to
1:01:38.000,1:01:41.319
pour Lightning Jack to them you know I'm
1:01:40.039,1:01:43.240
just pulling the sound out of the air
1:01:41.319,1:01:45.319
I'm just going to hand on the remote
1:01:43.240,1:01:46.880
let's do it let's pour it on them and
1:01:45.319,1:01:48.160
I'll be confident because I know they
1:01:46.880,1:01:49.119
know what you're talking about you know
1:01:48.160,1:01:50.720
I'm not going to go up there and
1:01:49.119,1:01:53.160
somebody else's back yard and telling me
1:01:50.720,1:01:56.440
what they you know you've got to do this
1:01:53.160,1:01:59.119
if you want to call coyes so no I I on I
1:01:56.440,1:02:01.200
think you was that's perfect perfect
1:01:59.119,1:02:04.760
yeah yeah that's
1:02:01.200,1:02:06.279
uh it is and I think we I hope we done I
1:02:04.760,1:02:09.319
hope that came across the way we wanted
1:02:06.279,1:02:12.480
it to I mean we're just trying to I'm
1:02:09.319,1:02:14.960
always man I bet I I bet I made somebody
1:02:12.480,1:02:17.079
mad saying that but I don't mean nothing
1:02:14.960,1:02:20.799
by it if I do you know it's it's just
1:02:17.079,1:02:23.839
trying to make a point um you know cuz I
1:02:20.799,1:02:25.400
see we go to Pennsylvania a lot you know
1:02:23.839,1:02:27.240
of course that's where headquarters is
1:02:25.400,1:02:28.799
and we do a couple big shows up there
1:02:27.240,1:02:31.039
one of them's the Harrisburg show and
1:02:28.799,1:02:33.079
there's just so many Hunters that come
1:02:31.039,1:02:34.880
through there if you all have never been
1:02:33.079,1:02:36.760
been to the Harrisburg Pennsylvania show
1:02:34.880,1:02:39.160
the Great American outdoor show if you
1:02:36.760,1:02:41.599
want to figure out how many hunters and
1:02:39.160,1:02:44.279
fishermen can and women can be in the
1:02:41.599,1:02:45.920
same area it'll it'll it'll shock you
1:02:44.279,1:02:48.079
because I've been to every other sport
1:02:45.920,1:02:49.640
show all across the country from one
1:02:48.079,1:02:53.000
Coast to the other north to south I've
1:02:49.640,1:02:54.000
been to them all and it's pretty crazy
1:02:53.000,1:02:56.599
how many
1:02:54.000,1:02:58.279
hunters and uh
1:02:56.599,1:03:00.440
you know people love the fish and other
1:02:58.279,1:03:02.480
outdoor types said come through that D
1:03:00.440,1:03:04.960
on show and then that's all the
1:03:02.480,1:03:06.079
questions that they come ask and you
1:03:04.960,1:03:07.599
know they'll start asking me about
1:03:06.079,1:03:08.920
sounds and sequences well how you
1:03:07.599,1:03:10.640
calling those many coyes up how you
1:03:08.920,1:03:12.400
doing this how you doing that and I get
1:03:10.640,1:03:14.520
to talk to them and I see them like they
1:03:12.400,1:03:17.359
just like start staring a hole through
1:03:14.520,1:03:18.599
you and you're like you know you start
1:03:17.359,1:03:20.799
asking them questions well how much
1:03:18.599,1:03:23.559
ground you got to hunt you know they be
1:03:20.799,1:03:26.079
like well I got a 25 acre piece here it
1:03:23.559,1:03:28.119
belongs to my grandma and I got Uncle
1:03:26.079,1:03:30.119
Joe's Place down the road he's got 11
1:03:28.119,1:03:33.279
acres behind his house and I got one 80
1:03:30.119,1:03:34.880
acre cattle farm and it puts things into
1:03:33.279,1:03:36.200
perspective for you you know CU some
1:03:34.880,1:03:38.760
people are a little bit more blessed
1:03:36.200,1:03:40.599
with with ground theun and you gota
1:03:38.760,1:03:44.599
you've got
1:03:40.599,1:03:47.079
to it changes what my answer will be on
1:03:44.599,1:03:50.160
specific topics for those people
1:03:47.079,1:03:52.000
compared to somebody that has thousands
1:03:50.160,1:03:53.880
of acres to hunt or almost endless
1:03:52.000,1:03:55.279
ground and you know and plus he's
1:03:53.880,1:03:57.319
talking to guys tell you say well you
1:03:55.279,1:04:00.119
know on on Uncle Joe's Place stand 11
1:03:57.319,1:04:03.119
acres you know both both you know
1:04:00.119,1:04:04.920
neighbors they hunt and uh cousin hunts
1:04:03.119,1:04:06.799
and his buddy comes there and hunt you
1:04:04.920,1:04:09.599
they might be there might be half a
1:04:06.799,1:04:11.480
dozen people that hunt 11 acres so you
1:04:09.599,1:04:12.799
know it's just different in different
1:04:11.480,1:04:14.359
places and you know I got a lot of
1:04:12.799,1:04:16.680
respect for everybody in every state
1:04:14.359,1:04:18.200
that hunts and and all those situations
1:04:16.680,1:04:19.799
you know I got just as much respect for
1:04:18.200,1:04:21.880
those people it's got three properties
1:04:19.799,1:04:25.319
and the biggest one's 80 acres as I do
1:04:21.880,1:04:27.000
somebody's got 800,000 Acres um you know
1:04:25.319,1:04:28.480
usually those guys that got 800,000
1:04:27.000,1:04:31.240
Acres probably going to be killing more
1:04:28.480,1:04:32.839
coyotes um they better be killing more
1:04:31.240,1:04:35.279
coyotes if
1:04:32.839,1:04:37.119
not we might need to sit you down and
1:04:35.279,1:04:39.039
have some intervention talk with you so
1:04:37.119,1:04:41.359
we can figure things out but you know
1:04:39.039,1:04:43.599
like I said just got respect for for for
1:04:41.359,1:04:46.240
everybody in whatever situation are in
1:04:43.599,1:04:49.160
we're all in this together um let's move
1:04:46.240,1:04:51.880
on that's enough about
1:04:49.160,1:04:54.359
that we like I said we can do all kinds
1:04:51.880,1:04:56.799
of podcasts on this but let's get back
1:04:54.359,1:04:59.359
to the coy calling one thing that I want
1:04:56.799,1:05:02.119
to cover and this is this is a kind of a
1:04:59.359,1:05:04.400
dumb question uh anybody hunts this time
1:05:02.119,1:05:07.920
of year knows how Dynamite it can be but
1:05:04.400,1:05:09.480
Tori how susceptible are coyotes coling
1:05:07.920,1:05:13.039
this this time of year you know say
1:05:09.480,1:05:14.240
through miday through first couple weeks
1:05:13.039,1:05:17.079
of
1:05:14.240,1:05:19.160
June well right now and I I've actually
1:05:17.079,1:05:22.599
got a couple of examples that I can tie
1:05:19.160,1:05:24.839
to this too right now it could be either
1:05:22.599,1:05:26.880
or you could have you could just have
1:05:24.839,1:05:28.839
blank after blank can't get on couchs
1:05:26.880,1:05:30.839
I'm seeing posts like this on Facebook
1:05:28.839,1:05:32.440
regular you know people are struggling
1:05:30.839,1:05:34.359
then you got other people that are just
1:05:32.440,1:05:36.279
smashing them you know hard Chargers
1:05:34.359,1:05:37.680
running right over the top of them and
1:05:36.279,1:05:41.200
this is that time of the year where
1:05:37.680,1:05:44.559
you're still the area that you're in if
1:05:41.200,1:05:47.559
you're not on top of dening coats pretty
1:05:44.559,1:05:49.319
tight to them your your success can be
1:05:47.559,1:05:51.599
limited because you may just not be
1:05:49.319,1:05:54.960
close enough to the coats in your
1:05:51.599,1:05:57.839
area if you are pretty close to them and
1:05:54.960,1:06:00.160
you can have some hard charging fast
1:05:57.839,1:06:03.319
Dynamite stands so a lot of it's just
1:06:00.160,1:06:05.240
proximity to to the bulk of the couch
1:06:03.319,1:06:07.599
now you can go out and make blind stands
1:06:05.240,1:06:09.640
and you may call in a a transient cat
1:06:07.599,1:06:11.599
that has nothing to do with Denning
1:06:09.640,1:06:13.799
you're gonna have some of that you know
1:06:11.599,1:06:16.440
but for the most part you're dealing
1:06:13.799,1:06:19.599
with a a large portion of the population
1:06:16.440,1:06:21.599
of cow are at some stage of what would
1:06:19.599,1:06:24.760
still be the early Denon portion of
1:06:21.599,1:06:27.640
their life cycle and with that you you
1:06:24.760,1:06:28.880
know if you can find coats and you know
1:06:27.640,1:06:31.559
where they're at and you get in there
1:06:28.880,1:06:34.440
pretty tight to them your odds of
1:06:31.559,1:06:37.279
success are are pretty high
1:06:34.440,1:06:40.400
and at the same time if you're just
1:06:37.279,1:06:42.480
making blind stands or you don't know
1:06:40.400,1:06:47.119
exactly where those coach are at and
1:06:42.480,1:06:48.599
you're you know you're not within a
1:06:47.119,1:06:51.119
comfortable range for them to come to
1:06:48.599,1:06:53.920
the call they may not show up and you
1:06:51.119,1:06:56.279
also could have trouble hearing CS right
1:06:53.920,1:06:57.960
now if you're trying to locate you could
1:06:56.279,1:07:00.000
have trouble hearing CS if you're not
1:06:57.960,1:07:01.520
getting close enough and then again at
1:07:00.000,1:07:04.039
the same time if you are getting close
1:07:01.520,1:07:07.640
enough you can locate CS easily I'm
1:07:04.039,1:07:09.240
seeing some of that scattered out across
1:07:07.640,1:07:10.799
Facebook right now with people making
1:07:09.240,1:07:13.079
posts some people are having trouble
1:07:10.799,1:07:15.400
hearing coats and calling coats and
1:07:13.079,1:07:17.599
other people are doing pretty good uh so
1:07:15.400,1:07:19.960
it's you're getting to that time frame
1:07:17.599,1:07:22.279
to where every day that passes it's
1:07:19.960,1:07:24.319
going to become easier to locate those
1:07:22.279,1:07:26.119
Coates get in close to them the range
1:07:24.319,1:07:27.799
that they will come to the call
1:07:26.119,1:07:29.640
also increases a little bit because
1:07:27.799,1:07:30.920
those pups are getting out of the den
1:07:29.640,1:07:33.400
and starting to get a little bit of
1:07:30.920,1:07:35.599
range on them so there's there's a
1:07:33.400,1:07:38.559
variety of that going on and the
1:07:35.599,1:07:40.799
examples that I was going to use just
1:07:38.559,1:07:42.000
before if you if you'd called just a
1:07:40.799,1:07:44.319
little bit earlier you probably could
1:07:42.000,1:07:47.359
have heard them just before you called a
1:07:44.319,1:07:49.960
group of Cs they were some of the mfk Cs
1:07:47.359,1:07:51.760
that are not dening one of them how and
1:07:49.960,1:07:53.920
two three CS answered in the black of
1:07:51.760,1:07:56.680
woods awesome well I wish I heard this
1:07:53.920,1:07:59.960
is happen yeah this is
1:07:56.680,1:08:01.880
happened over the last month or so that
1:07:59.960,1:08:03.520
fancy coat and big girl coat they're
1:08:01.880,1:08:04.799
both Denon they both have pups in the
1:08:03.520,1:08:07.440
ground of course they've got a mail with
1:08:04.799,1:08:10.760
them there too both of them do I have
1:08:07.440,1:08:12.920
not heard those coats how now fancy has
1:08:10.760,1:08:14.480
finally started coming back up and i'
1:08:12.920,1:08:16.000
I've videoed her a little bit the last
1:08:14.480,1:08:18.920
couple days she has finally started
1:08:16.000,1:08:20.560
coming back up uh eating right there
1:08:18.920,1:08:22.520
close to the house where we throw some
1:08:20.560,1:08:23.880
scraps and food table scraps and stuff
1:08:22.520,1:08:26.040
like that she'll slip up there and get
1:08:23.880,1:08:27.640
them she didn't come
1:08:26.040,1:08:30.040
she didn't come up there for quite a
1:08:27.640,1:08:33.000
while either she has started coming up
1:08:30.040,1:08:36.359
there but those goats did not answer I
1:08:33.000,1:08:38.880
have not heard them how since February
1:08:36.359,1:08:40.880
they're just completely nonvocal right
1:08:38.880,1:08:43.000
now and that's because they've got those
1:08:40.880,1:08:44.839
little pups in the ground or just out of
1:08:43.000,1:08:47.199
the ground now just any anytime here
1:08:44.839,1:08:50.159
they're going to start cranking up so so
1:08:47.199,1:08:53.239
in other words they're not near as vocal
1:08:50.159,1:08:55.960
right now but give it give it a couple
1:08:53.239,1:08:58.319
three or four weeks and is probably
1:08:55.960,1:09:01.560
going to really start up with with
1:08:58.319,1:09:03.400
vocalizations being able to uh locate
1:09:01.560,1:09:05.000
better and have coyes how back you just
1:09:03.400,1:09:07.480
on a coyot stands what what you're
1:09:05.000,1:09:09.199
saying right more and more will become
1:09:07.480,1:09:10.520
vocal there are some that are vocal now
1:09:09.199,1:09:12.319
you know some of the ones that are that
1:09:10.520,1:09:14.799
are a little bit earlier and if you're
1:09:12.319,1:09:16.480
close enough too you know if you were
1:09:14.799,1:09:18.679
where these CS are dening at they're in
1:09:16.480,1:09:21.000
a completely separate block pretty good
1:09:18.679,1:09:23.040
ways away but they can hear those and
1:09:21.000,1:09:25.000
typically they would they would answer
1:09:23.040,1:09:26.719
right or I could make them answer but
1:09:25.000,1:09:28.799
right now I if I were going to try to
1:09:26.719,1:09:31.279
make those C I would probably have to
1:09:28.799,1:09:33.920
get inside that block with them or right
1:09:31.279,1:09:36.480
on the edge of it and I could probably
1:09:33.920,1:09:38.359
to and if they howed it wouldn't be your
1:09:36.480,1:09:40.480
typical it would probably be they would
1:09:38.359,1:09:41.759
do a bunch of barking and challenge you
1:09:40.480,1:09:45.799
know you could tell that they're
1:09:41.759,1:09:47.960
agitated you know work up type so people
1:09:45.799,1:09:51.520
can get some vocal response right now if
1:09:47.960,1:09:53.719
they're close enough to a den in pair or
1:09:51.520,1:09:55.440
if those pups are old enough that
1:09:53.719,1:09:57.159
they're starting to learn how you can
1:09:55.440,1:09:59.280
start getting some responses right now
1:09:57.159,1:10:01.679
but you still got a portion of them that
1:09:59.280,1:10:03.960
are not yet very vocal so you could run
1:10:01.679,1:10:05.800
into a little bit of that and then I
1:10:03.960,1:10:08.040
I'll give you another this is a really
1:10:05.800,1:10:09.840
something really interesting I've got a
1:10:08.040,1:10:12.159
buddy that's got he does some deer
1:10:09.840,1:10:14.560
tracking thermal drone stuff and he Co
1:10:12.159,1:10:16.560
hunts as well well he's been going out
1:10:14.560,1:10:18.560
locating the last couple nights and he
1:10:16.560,1:10:20.640
has he knew where some of these Coots
1:10:18.560,1:10:22.520
were from flying his drone knew where
1:10:20.640,1:10:24.880
some pears was know that they're dining
1:10:22.520,1:10:29.760
in that area he can go out and find
1:10:24.880,1:10:31.440
those pairs of Cs two nights worth uh
1:10:29.760,1:10:33.560
this past night and the night before he
1:10:31.440,1:10:36.480
went out and located he's heard he's
1:10:33.560,1:10:39.320
made one group or one pair he heard
1:10:36.480,1:10:41.120
those last night and he is he is
1:10:39.320,1:10:43.159
watching those CS he can find them and
1:10:41.120,1:10:46.480
look at them with that drone and they
1:10:43.159,1:10:48.600
are not howling but they'll start as
1:10:46.480,1:10:50.800
soon as those pups I guarantee you where
1:10:48.600,1:10:52.920
those CS are you give it just a little
1:10:50.800,1:10:55.600
bit longer and can go back to those same
1:10:52.920,1:10:57.960
spots one how and they're going they're
1:10:55.600,1:11:01.840
going to chim in when those pups get a
1:10:57.960,1:11:04.159
little bit older so that's uh just some
1:11:01.840,1:11:06.320
I thought that was pretty neat know the
1:11:04.159,1:11:09.080
Cs are there just like me knowing these
1:11:06.320,1:11:10.920
CS are here they're just not talking
1:11:09.080,1:11:13.280
they are silent because of the age of
1:11:10.920,1:11:15.560
the pups right now so so pretty much
1:11:13.280,1:11:17.440
like to you know just to sum it up in a
1:11:15.560,1:11:19.280
real quick answer you know how
1:11:17.440,1:11:22.280
susceptible coyotes are to calling
1:11:19.280,1:11:24.400
during this time frame say miday through
1:11:22.280,1:11:26.719
the first part of June they're very
1:11:24.400,1:11:28.520
susceptible but you got to be inside
1:11:26.719,1:11:30.520
that bubble you need the proximity Is
1:11:28.520,1:11:32.679
key you need to be closer to your couch
1:11:30.520,1:11:34.440
during this time frame to to to get to
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get those hard Chargers to get those
1:11:34.440,1:11:40.520
consistent
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Callins exactly yep awesome awesome uh
1:11:40.520,1:11:45.800
we've actually went on that crazy
1:11:42.400,1:11:47.280
tangent about population and man
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somebody should have slapped me on a
1:11:47.280,1:11:51.400
wrist or something or slapped me across
1:11:48.760,1:11:53.880
the face that shut up but anyway hey I
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got a couple more questions for you one
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one is uh would you rather type question
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but one more stick with the coyotes here
1:11:59.880,1:12:03.760
um you know we're talking about the new
1:12:02.280,1:12:05.760
sound release there a little bit and
1:12:03.760,1:12:08.239
stuff uh we talked about you need to be
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closer to your coyot this time of year
1:12:08.239,1:12:13.960
uh to to be more consistent on calling
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coyot in what are the type of sounds do
1:12:13.960,1:12:19.400
kyot callers need to pay more attention
1:12:16.400,1:12:22.320
to during this this stretch of miday
1:12:19.400,1:12:23.639
through early June uh what what sounds
1:12:22.320,1:12:26.199
they need to focus on putting out there
1:12:23.639,1:12:30.159
to get these cows called up
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I Like My Lan house my group house my
1:12:30.159,1:12:34.679
social interaction stuff like that Mom
1:12:31.920,1:12:36.400
and Dad didn't call that we talked about
1:12:34.679,1:12:38.400
some of the old ones just some any of
1:12:36.400,1:12:41.280
those social sounds and then I like to
1:12:38.400,1:12:43.800
go right now I like to go with those
1:12:41.280,1:12:46.120
early stage pups some of those hungry
1:12:43.800,1:12:48.920
pups like the birthday newborn stuff
1:12:46.120,1:12:51.520
birthday litter got milk stuff like that
1:12:48.920,1:12:54.120
follow that right into those different
1:12:51.520,1:12:55.920
age classes of younger pup stuff you
1:12:54.120,1:12:58.400
know two weeks and then just jump to
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four weeks six weeks then I follow that
1:12:58.400,1:13:04.000
with a few pup fights and then right
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into the adult fights and that's kind of
1:13:04.000,1:13:08.719
how I roll through the only thing that I
1:13:07.040,1:13:11.800
that I do different than that on some
1:13:08.719,1:13:13.280
stands is I will mix in that Fonda
1:13:11.800,1:13:15.639
stress that we talked about and
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sometimes I will start with it or I may
1:13:15.639,1:13:19.600
mix it in at any point you know while
1:13:18.040,1:13:21.400
I'm going through those other stands and
1:13:19.600,1:13:23.560
I'm usually I mean going through those
1:13:21.400,1:13:25.880
other sounds and I'm usually rolling
1:13:23.560,1:13:27.800
through sounds pretty quick because if
1:13:25.880,1:13:29.760
you're close to those coats like we were
1:13:27.800,1:13:32.000
talking about if you're if you're in
1:13:29.760,1:13:33.960
there and you you know the coats are
1:13:32.000,1:13:36.360
there either because you've located seen
1:13:33.960,1:13:39.560
them whatever if you're fairly close to
1:13:36.360,1:13:42.080
them shouldn't take you very long one of
1:13:39.560,1:13:43.920
those they should be C coming up quick
1:13:42.080,1:13:45.239
yeah so ain't no sense playing a sound
1:13:43.920,1:13:47.199
for eight minutes if he ain't there in
1:13:45.239,1:13:49.840
the first two of three he ain't coming
1:13:47.199,1:13:52.600
to that sound throw out your houss if
1:13:49.840,1:13:55.199
nothing shows up go to one of them you
1:13:52.600,1:13:57.040
know a social sound for a minute or so
1:13:55.199,1:13:59.719
swap right into some of that little p
1:13:57.040,1:14:01.199
stuff and so on and just playing each
1:13:59.719,1:14:03.719
one of them a minute or two and then
1:14:01.199,1:14:05.840
swapping to try to trigger and most of
1:14:03.719,1:14:07.360
the time the couchs are gonna when they
1:14:05.840,1:14:10.719
trigger they're gonna be on top of you
1:14:07.360,1:14:13.120
pretty quick well good stuff good stuff
1:14:10.719,1:14:14.320
toor got two little quick kick questions
1:14:13.120,1:14:15.639
here I want to ask you we're going to
1:14:14.320,1:14:17.440
get off here we've been on here for a
1:14:15.639,1:14:19.840
long time again somebody should have
1:14:17.440,1:14:21.679
slapped me on that tangent I went on
1:14:19.840,1:14:24.040
people is listening don't think no less
1:14:21.679,1:14:27.560
of me for going on that tangent I'm
1:14:24.040,1:14:32.000
sorry if I offed anybody
1:14:27.560,1:14:33.920
but me and you you and I we have got
1:14:32.000,1:14:36.040
through our turkey season I was on my
1:14:33.920,1:14:38.120
last turkey hunt last week but there's a
1:14:36.040,1:14:39.600
lot of lot of people out there still got
1:14:38.120,1:14:41.440
turkey season to go through especially
1:14:39.600,1:14:43.360
like these guys up here in Pennsylvan I
1:14:41.440,1:14:47.400
got a I got a two turkey questions for
1:14:43.360,1:14:52.280
you it involves K uh would you
1:14:47.400,1:14:56.159
rather spring turkey hunt in April and
1:14:52.280,1:14:58.280
early May or would you rather call cow
1:14:56.159,1:15:01.760
now just sticking with April and May
1:14:58.280,1:15:03.800
April May yeah turkey season's in a
1:15:01.760,1:15:05.239
April May I'm on turkey hunt just like
1:15:03.800,1:15:07.560
every year and
1:15:05.239,1:15:09.040
and partly because of what we talked
1:15:07.560,1:15:10.520
about when they're dining I don't do a
1:15:09.040,1:15:12.000
whole lot of hunting right then so I I
1:15:10.520,1:15:15.120
would definitely take the
1:15:12.000,1:15:16.800
turkeys over the coou during April May
1:15:15.120,1:15:19.000
right hey turkey season only comes in
1:15:16.800,1:15:21.920
once a year and plus we give them just
1:15:19.000,1:15:24.000
Coy just a you know everybody KY hunts
1:15:21.920,1:15:25.719
for different reasons but one of my
1:15:24.000,1:15:29.080
favorite things about coyot hunt one of
1:15:25.719,1:15:31.520
my favorite times is that late spring
1:15:29.080,1:15:34.159
early summer when you get those mean mom
1:15:31.520,1:15:36.239
and dad coyotes it like to be real vocal
1:15:34.159,1:15:38.400
and howl at you and all that you know
1:15:36.239,1:15:41.880
hey that's we knocking on the door that
1:15:38.400,1:15:45.440
so hey shot feel your turkey
1:15:41.880,1:15:47.800
TXS if the couch were vocal if those C
1:15:45.440,1:15:50.719
you might change your answer
1:15:47.800,1:15:54.360
up if during April and May they were as
1:15:50.719,1:15:57.639
vocal as they are later you know in that
1:15:54.360,1:15:59.560
later time frame it that'd be i'
1:15:57.639,1:16:01.400
probably try to I'd probably try to get
1:15:59.560,1:16:03.679
my turkeys real quick so I could swap
1:16:01.400,1:16:05.440
right over to the couch good stuff all
1:16:03.679,1:16:07.320
right got one more for you here if
1:16:05.440,1:16:09.920
you're a turkey hunting you know you
1:16:07.320,1:16:13.560
sitting up against big old oak tree you
1:16:09.920,1:16:17.880
yeling and you got a turkey out there
1:16:13.560,1:16:20.400
Goblin and a coyot beats the turkey to
1:16:17.880,1:16:22.520
the call you call a Cy up right there in
1:16:20.400,1:16:24.760
the smack dab middle of your decoys
1:16:22.520,1:16:26.360
right there in the shotgun range what do
1:16:24.760,1:16:28.679
you you going to do are you shooting
1:16:26.360,1:16:30.440
that coyote while you're trying to yel
1:16:28.679,1:16:32.199
that turkey and he's out there Goblin or
1:16:30.440,1:16:34.480
you going to give him a pass what what
1:16:32.199,1:16:37.159
Tory cook going to do I'm gonna let the
1:16:34.480,1:16:39.480
c walk on by and and the reason is
1:16:37.159,1:16:41.840
because whatever I'm hunting that's what
1:16:39.480,1:16:43.679
I'm hunting and I I'm not much on I used
1:16:41.840,1:16:44.600
to when I first started Cod hunting it
1:16:43.679,1:16:46.920
probably would have been a different
1:16:44.600,1:16:49.960
answer if I had killed many cods I'd
1:16:46.920,1:16:51.400
probably shoot him but nowadays if I'm
1:16:49.960,1:16:54.360
turkey hunting I'm gonna stick with the
1:16:51.400,1:16:56.600
turkey and and let the co go and same
1:16:54.360,1:16:58.679
thing I I don't shoot opportunity
1:16:56.600,1:17:01.120
opportunistic Coes anymore if I'm
1:16:58.679,1:17:03.480
walking in and I see one I don't shoot
1:17:01.120,1:17:06.239
him you know and I'm I'm hunting them
1:17:03.480,1:17:08.080
strictly for recreational purposes you
1:17:06.239,1:17:12.040
know if I was trying to they was eating
1:17:08.080,1:17:14.920
up my wife L lambs and chickens and
1:17:12.040,1:17:18.520
caves and all that kind of
1:17:14.920,1:17:19.440
stuff recreational hey I'm the same way
1:17:18.520,1:17:21.960
you
1:17:19.440,1:17:25.280
know I'm I'm exactly the same way now
1:17:21.960,1:17:27.639
this is exactly what you just said uh I
1:17:25.280,1:17:29.679
couldn't tell you last time I shot a ky
1:17:27.639,1:17:32.679
just out of you know dumb luck
1:17:29.679,1:17:35.159
opportunity and uh I have many chances
1:17:32.679,1:17:37.360
have chances all the time uh I kind of
1:17:35.159,1:17:40.159
look at it as if you know if I I just
1:17:37.360,1:17:41.840
enjoy I'm a coyote caller okay that's
1:17:40.159,1:17:46.960
what I kind of Cl if I had to put a
1:17:41.840,1:17:49.120
label on John it'd be Cy CER um I like
1:17:46.960,1:17:51.120
calling Couts and if I just stumble up
1:17:49.120,1:17:54.000
on one he's laid there asleep and I
1:17:51.120,1:17:55.600
shoot him you know as he's laying there
1:17:54.000,1:17:57.120
yeah I mean I might give you know I
1:17:55.600,1:17:59.760
probably get a little bit of enjoyment
1:17:57.120,1:18:01.080
out of it but you know that's one less
1:17:59.760,1:18:03.639
cow ain't going to be able to call up
1:18:01.080,1:18:06.639
Tory cook that's right and one of the
1:18:03.639,1:18:08.320
things with that with me let's say you
1:18:06.639,1:18:09.880
pull into a spot and you see a cow and
1:18:08.320,1:18:11.600
you can let him you know let's say you
1:18:09.880,1:18:14.199
don't necessarily bust him but you can
1:18:11.600,1:18:16.760
let that thing rather than shoot him and
1:18:14.199,1:18:19.280
kill him right there I like wondering
1:18:16.760,1:18:21.639
you know can I call that c that that
1:18:19.280,1:18:23.880
makes I know he's there now let's see
1:18:21.639,1:18:26.400
can I call him up and if I can boy it
1:18:23.880,1:18:28.239
makes me feel good if I can I'm thinking
1:18:26.400,1:18:30.040
well damn I ain't as good as I thought I
1:18:28.239,1:18:31.639
was hey I just go ahead and tell you
1:18:30.040,1:18:32.880
that you know if you'd ask me that
1:18:31.639,1:18:34.159
question I'm going to tell you what I'm
1:18:32.880,1:18:36.440
going to do I'm going to let that Cy go
1:18:34.159,1:18:38.719
right on by I'm going to cut at that
1:18:36.440,1:18:40.199
turkey again and he's going to gobble
1:18:38.719,1:18:41.080
his head off and he's going to strut
1:18:40.199,1:18:44.600
right up there and I'm going to shoot
1:18:41.080,1:18:46.480
him at like 17 steps I'm burn that
1:18:44.600,1:18:47.719
gobler to the ground and I'm going to
1:18:46.480,1:18:50.040
come back in there in about three or
1:18:47.719,1:18:52.719
four more weeks I'm going to call it cow
1:18:50.040,1:18:55.480
up two hunts two
1:18:52.719,1:18:57.040
hunts I like that playing that's that
1:18:55.480,1:18:59.679
sounds like the best plan to me I'm
1:18:57.040,1:19:01.560
going to go with it Tori I appreciate
1:18:59.679,1:19:03.960
you coming on this week you got anything
1:19:01.560,1:19:06.320
you want to leave everybody with hey
1:19:03.960,1:19:09.199
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