FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Stacey Morris discuss tactics that helped Stacy bag 212 coyotes off of one property.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls 22 coyotes
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off one property sounds pretty amazing
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right welcome back to the fox Pro
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podcast on this episode we've got Fox
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Pro staffer Stacy Morris on the line and
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we're going to be discussing his amazing
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feat from this past coyote calling
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season taking 22 coyotes off of one
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property Stacy thanks for joining us old
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buddy you've been doing all right
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been doing great John how you been doing
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buddy oh been doing pretty good wrapped
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up turkey season fixing to go do a
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little bow fishing the man's got to go
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shoot some fish every once a while we
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going to be doing that here in a couple
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days then we'll be back to back to
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calling coyotes but uh been doing well
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just uh kind of kind of choing at a bit
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to get back after coyotes um I don't
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have you been have you been calling much
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here
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lately uh really never stops for me I uh
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no off season right no offseason I I
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love summertime calling as much as
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wintertime calling because you know
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summertime calling you know is a a lot
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more strategy involved right you know
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you got you know you covered it you and
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Big Al on your last podcast one of them
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and uh you know you got to know what
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time of season you're in and what what
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sounds to play and I love that right
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because uh you know it's I wouldn't say
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it's easier but it sure sure increases
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your odds knowing what what to play and
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when to play it right well you know I
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think you know I've told people this
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before I I kind of think if when hunting
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through the Denning and especially the
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pup rearing Seasons I actually think it
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is about the easiest time to call you
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know if you can uh if you can stand the
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the hot weather um some of the other
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stuff that goes in with with summertime
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late spring you know through summertime
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calling uh if you know where your Coy
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should be at if you know where they'd
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like to raise these pups at and stuff
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and you get in there and play the right
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sounds man they just can't stand it it's
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just you know they've got to come you
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know it's just like they can't resist so
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I I kind of if I ever had to tell
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somebody one was the easiest time to
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call up coyotes it'd be during the
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pupper in time I think I would have to
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agree with that because you know when
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you tri trigger a ky Coyote's anger
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there's not a whole lot that's G not
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going to keep him from coming to the
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call that's right you know and you're
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playing on a lot of stuff during that
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pupping time cuz you know
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they're Territorial and they're they've
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got that paternal pool to take care of
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their young and and you know it's just
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like you know you know I I see people
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sometimes say quit humaniz humanizing
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these things they're they're they're
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just coyotes well that is true but at
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the same time you can kind of humanize
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them a little bit in in certain trains
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of thought it's just like you know I
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I've raised a couple kids you've raised
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kids Stacy it's just like you know when
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you got young kids and in the house if
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somebody was to bust through your door
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and get to screaming at you and then run
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in there and grab one of you kids by the
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arm and they get to squalling you're
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probably going to run out of your
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bedroom and for a fight right I mean
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same thing is same thing with these
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coyotes if you get in their bedroom and
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you let out a big old how and they're
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going to jump up matter than a hornet
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they're already sitting are mad at the
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world because it's hot during the
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summertime and they're raising these
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pups they got fleas and chers and ticks
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crawling all over them they're itchy oh
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they're nasty y you know and they're the
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pups are crawling all over them
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aggravating them so I mean they're
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already mad at the world so when you go
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there and scream at them it gets them
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fired up and then when you start playing
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those puppy sounds you know just like I
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said they can't resist it they they just
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cannot resist if you got everything
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right and you play those right sounds
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that really trigger those responses they
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gonna come screaming in
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that is exactly right exactly right they
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just uh it's it's built into them and I
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it's it's the best time of the year I'm
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telling you I love it so there's no off
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time for me yes sir that's what I liked
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here no
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offseason well ju just to give you guys
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a little background on Stacy before we
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get in the thick of this uh you know
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Stacy's one of the best kyote callers in
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the country Stacy does this on a
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professional level he does professional
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Predator management work down in the
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southwest and has had uh has it had
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excellent runs in a ky calling contest
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world as well uh Stacy is also one of
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the Premier Mountain line callers in the
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country with dozens and dozens and
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dozens of mountain line Callins under
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his
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belt yeah we're mainly gonna be talking
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about Kyo today though ain't we that is
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exactly right that's exactly right might
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for you though that's okay send it I I
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called one in the other day I couldn't
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take because my tags were
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full you don't know how bad you feel
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when you got to let one of those walk
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off I can imagine I can imagine the
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Goosebumps on my arms are raised 100%
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right now just keep you know reliving
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that moment I was like you got to be
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kidding
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me well I tell you what you guys you all
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I uh hear the time resets on my licenses
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and those tags will be refilled oh when
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when's it reset is it reseted now well
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for when you buy tags over here if you
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buy them in March they're good through
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March or if you buy them for me I buy
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mine in in uh July okay and first of
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July every year so my time resets every
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July so I see I
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get so you know it's kind of weird you
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know but I mean you know what time frame
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you're always working with so that's a
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that's awesome right right well let's
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get right to it you guys heard me
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correct earlier when I said 22 coyotes
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off of one property now I know almost
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everyone listening has got this question
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how many acres is this property well
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we're probably not going to get into
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that too much but let's just say it's a
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lot more than Uncle Joe's 80 acres right
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you can say whatever you want to about
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it Stacy that's that's exactly right
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it's uh it's as big as most counties uh
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in a lot of States but you know still
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even though you have that many acres I
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treat it the same as I have your smaller
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properties right and you know management
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wise you know you got to manage your
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Cuts you got to manage your sounds and
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and it just it just gets real big but
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you know it's also pretty simple if you
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if you start applying basic uh
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principles right and and this is a
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property where you do Predator uh
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control work is that correct yes sir yes
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sir I I am out there eight months a year
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eight months a year so yes sir so in
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eight months you kill 212 coyotes off
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his property yes sir uh because I have
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to hold down a normal job like everybody
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else that's pretty much just
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weekends and uh you know so a day or you
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know a couple days here and there so
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probably 70 7 some days a year okay so
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it's that's a lot of CLS in in 70 days
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my goal is is taking taking uh two to
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four every time I hunt okay and and I've
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taken as many as 13 in a single day so
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and um so you know it varies right times
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a year varies it you know you know as
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well as I do sometimes time is year your
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stands you go from 10 minutes to 30
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minutes right right and and sometimes
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even longer depends on what's going on
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out in front of you right right so
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basically in eight months you hunted 70
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some days and nights on this property to
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to collect those 212 CS exactly right
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yes sir how how big of a
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role um did hunting during the day time
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and hunting at night time play into your
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success or did you just basically go
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just during the night or just during the
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day I know you I know you're a
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well-rounded Coy Coller and you do hunt
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both day and night did you have to hunt
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day and night uh get these
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cows that's that's one of the probably
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one of the secrets to my success
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because say I called a double in during
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the night and or a triple and I kill one
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one or two well one of the big secrets
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is I never leave a coyote or I killed it
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okay second part is is you know I always
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take pictures you know help show success
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but I never I remove the coyote I go
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somewhere else I take my pictures
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because I don't want to happen on that
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stand I don't want to contaminate the
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area I guess you could say contaminate
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contaminate it more than you have to
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exactly right so what I do is uh I
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remove the coyot to take pictures and
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then a lot of times you know as well as
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I do that coyot that pair is coming back
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to see what
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happen and it always happens in the next
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24 hours okay they will come to find
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their mate and and what I found is if I
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remove the coyote I go do something you
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know my pictures and everything to help
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you know show everybody what's going on
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and then that next morning I will be
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back if I kill the male I start off with
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a mail how and then I start going
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through a lot of times that stand there
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is just a lot of vocals because I want
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that I want that pair to come to me
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right right and and so you know
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typically your shots aren't real close
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on that so you know knowing your your
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equipment is key
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but yeah that's I I get a lot of that I
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get I I'll call at night it depends on
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what happened I'll be back that next
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morning calling the same stand right for
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during the daytime right yeah but of
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course you know I'm gonna change it a
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little bit I'm GNA move quarter of a
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mile half a mile right but you know ky's
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ranges in our country are kind of big
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can you know compared to maybe back east
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or somewhere else but you know ky's
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hearing is
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exceptional they can you know you can
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move a half mile and you're still in the
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range and still in their earshot range
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right right uh well how many like you
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was talking about coming back in the
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same morning being on that same stand
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how many times would you make like the
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same exact stand or or call from the
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same general location throughout those
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eight
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months um I'm going to make the same
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stand or like you said the same general
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location I'm gonna tell you I've made
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them as many as seven or eight times do
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those eight months yes sir and another
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thing I do with a lot of you know
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is this month I hunt one piece of that
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ranch next month I hunt another piece
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and the next month I hunt another piece
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but I do hit a lot of the S stands the
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same same uh in that same month I'll hit
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them a couple of times and uh then I let
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it set then I let it rest yeah because
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you
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know when we kill a coyote what happens
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well you know as they howl a coyote out
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there is like hey nobody body's over
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there I'mma go over there and you know
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they backf they back feed right and now
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you got a coyot from outside now he's
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your new Resident right and so letting
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it letting it rest is is key to pretty
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pretty that's a big part of the puzzle
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you gotta you got to let it rest too so
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you're saying like during that eight
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Monon stretch the the stands that you're
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making through that first month um after
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you complete them whether you kill or
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not or or whatever you're you're so get
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you're not going right back in there
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just just the following month like if
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it's the first month out of the eighth
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month stretch you might come back and
0:12:35.880,0:12:38.680
hit that property again in the third
0:12:37.399,0:12:39.639
month or something you're giving it a
0:12:38.680,0:12:44.040
few
0:12:39.639,0:12:45.959
week that's exactly right and you know I
0:12:44.040,0:12:48.519
it's down to a science for me I also
0:12:45.959,0:12:50.320
keep a log book I keep a log book of the
0:12:48.519,0:12:53.079
sounds that I play in
0:12:50.320,0:12:55.000
there and I don't I don't repeat them
0:12:53.079,0:12:57.680
because you know as big as Fox proos
0:12:55.000,0:13:01.480
library is and mfk we got them partnered
0:12:57.680,0:13:03.279
in now as big that whole library is I
0:13:01.480,0:13:05.920
track what sounds I use and I don't have
0:13:03.279,0:13:08.839
to use the same ones over and over right
0:13:05.920,0:13:12.760
right and so I try to I try to mix it up
0:13:08.839,0:13:15.160
I try to move my stand locations and uh
0:13:12.760,0:13:17.600
it's working good it's working real good
0:13:15.160,0:13:20.240
so what you're saying is you know you
0:13:17.600,0:13:22.880
just don't go Willy knly out around just
0:13:20.240,0:13:24.680
making stands just whenever wherever
0:13:22.880,0:13:26.680
you're saying there's there's a ton of
0:13:24.680,0:13:28.360
planning it goes into what like if you
0:13:26.680,0:13:30.160
get a piece of property that you've been
0:13:28.360,0:13:33.160
hired on to do Predator control work
0:13:30.160,0:13:34.560
like this this cattle ranch here you
0:13:33.160,0:13:36.000
know they've got you hired there the
0:13:34.560,0:13:38.480
main reason you're there is to kill
0:13:36.000,0:13:40.320
coyes off of it they need the Coes gone
0:13:38.480,0:13:42.680
because they've experienced depredation
0:13:40.320,0:13:45.279
from them uh and on their livestock and
0:13:42.680,0:13:48.160
stuff like that so you're not going just
0:13:45.279,0:13:50.199
and just basically hunt hunting you you
0:13:48.160,0:13:52.759
got a like you said you're keeping a log
0:13:50.199,0:13:54.759
book you're uh you're really planning
0:13:52.759,0:13:57.040
things out so there's a there's a ton of
0:13:54.759,0:13:59.800
planning that goes into to taking that
0:13:57.040,0:14:04.120
many coyotes off of a single property
0:13:59.800,0:14:06.440
oh absolutely I uh uh our buddy you know
0:14:04.120,0:14:07.959
Jeremy Bailey he he kind of got to see
0:14:06.440,0:14:10.360
some of that I took him down there and
0:14:07.959,0:14:12.240
he he was with me and he's like man this
0:14:10.360,0:14:14.839
is this is a lot more than what I
0:14:12.240,0:14:17.800
expected and I was like well the first
0:14:14.839,0:14:18.720
two seasons was an eye opener for me
0:14:17.800,0:14:21.560
it's
0:14:18.720,0:14:24.440
like you know I'm used to contest
0:14:21.560,0:14:27.440
hunting going fast you know calling you
0:14:24.440,0:14:29.800
know a lot of coyotes but now that I had
0:14:27.440,0:14:33.800
to do it for a living
0:14:29.800,0:14:36.519
and I had to produce I had to absolutely
0:14:33.800,0:14:40.759
CH change the way I did business and it
0:14:36.519,0:14:42.800
made me 100% a better color right you
0:14:40.759,0:14:43.600
had to be more methodical about making
0:14:42.800,0:14:47.199
your
0:14:43.600,0:14:48.959
stance exactly right and it it was the
0:14:47.199,0:14:53.120
some of the stuff I know now is like if
0:14:48.959,0:14:55.600
I knew this 20 30 years ago holy
0:14:53.120,0:14:58.600
smokes it would just be a entirely
0:14:55.600,0:15:00.920
different game well tell us a couple
0:14:58.600,0:15:02.440
couple things things that were key you
0:15:00.920,0:15:04.399
know being methodical making these
0:15:02.440,0:15:06.759
stands you know plotting out this
0:15:04.399,0:15:09.519
property what were some of the key
0:15:06.759,0:15:11.639
factors that that made you be successful
0:15:09.519,0:15:13.160
through those eight months to take 212
0:15:11.639,0:15:15.279
coyotes off this place what were some of
0:15:13.160,0:15:16.560
the things that you were implementing uh
0:15:15.279,0:15:20.320
to make that
0:15:16.560,0:15:23.000
happen well from I start July 1 from
0:15:20.320,0:15:26.759
July through September I never play a
0:15:23.000,0:15:29.279
single rabbit sound at all right so we
0:15:26.759,0:15:32.639
know the pups are out they're growing
0:15:29.279,0:15:34.079
they're getting out there so one p
0:15:32.639,0:15:36.560
earing time that we were just talking
0:15:34.079,0:15:39.199
about at the beginning of the podcast
0:15:36.560,0:15:42.160
pretty much sir you most of your for our
0:15:39.199,0:15:45.800
country most of our coyotes are between
0:15:42.160,0:15:47.040
the eight 12 week old somewhere in there
0:15:45.800,0:15:49.240
and
0:15:47.040,0:15:50.800
um they're out and about they're running
0:15:49.240,0:15:52.360
with Mom and Dad you'll see them sitting
0:15:50.800,0:15:53.800
on hillsides you know they're not
0:15:52.360,0:15:57.160
hunting but you know they're starting to
0:15:53.800,0:16:01.040
follow along once in a while
0:15:57.160,0:16:03.440
and so from July through September I
0:16:01.040,0:16:06.839
always start every stand with a
0:16:03.440,0:16:10.839
poow just uh and the one I always play
0:16:06.839,0:16:15.079
is Bam Bam pupal from mfk I love it it
0:16:10.839,0:16:20.319
sounds it's a juvenile pup and then uh
0:16:15.079,0:16:24.079
c05 from um Foxboro yep C5 young KY
0:16:20.319,0:16:26.079
house yes yeah yes sir and um and then I
0:16:24.079,0:16:29.480
just paused for a little bit but that
0:16:26.079,0:16:33.600
time of year is a majority of when
0:16:29.480,0:16:36.399
what all your FS all your analou FS lots
0:16:33.600,0:16:39.319
of food out there lots of food out
0:16:36.399,0:16:41.920
absolutely and you know the first two
0:16:39.319,0:16:43.759
years on that property I was uh I was
0:16:41.920,0:16:46.240
playing mostly rabbits in the beginning
0:16:43.759,0:16:48.800
and you know and it started getting to
0:16:46.240,0:16:51.199
where it was it was very very difficult
0:16:48.800,0:16:53.279
to call coyotes towards the end right so
0:16:51.199,0:16:55.319
I was like okay so now I got to manage
0:16:53.279,0:16:58.720
sounds I got to manage what I do when I
0:16:55.319,0:17:02.040
do it right and so and I'm going to tell
0:16:58.720,0:17:06.240
you the first 80 coyotes came from
0:17:02.040,0:17:09.319
nothing but that is is pup house then I
0:17:06.240,0:17:12.280
switched to a fond distress I come back
0:17:09.319,0:17:14.880
in um Big Al said it the other day maybe
0:17:12.280,0:17:17.959
mix in some crows get some excitement
0:17:14.880,0:17:20.640
going and I come back to just a touch of
0:17:17.959,0:17:24.120
baby pup distress and then back into the
0:17:20.640,0:17:29.320
Fawn distress and then a forgotten sound
0:17:24.120,0:17:33.559
that um is on Fox Pro's uh list is that
0:17:29.320,0:17:35.760
uh Bond coyote yeah yeah yep I'm telling
0:17:33.559,0:17:38.960
you that is a money sound that time of
0:17:35.760,0:17:43.039
year because now I just gave a complete
0:17:38.960,0:17:45.640
scenario to all the coyotes listening is
0:17:43.039,0:17:49.360
I I introduced a coyote into their area
0:17:45.640,0:17:52.080
which probably made him mad right two I
0:17:49.360,0:17:55.880
just told them I'm stealing their food
0:17:52.080,0:17:57.840
three now one of their pups potentially
0:17:55.880,0:17:59.360
is getting beat up a little bit over
0:17:57.840,0:18:03.280
there and then
0:17:59.360,0:18:05.360
I've got the coyote Fawn now it's it's a
0:18:03.280,0:18:07.880
real real life
0:18:05.360,0:18:10.000
scenario and then you know I always
0:18:07.880,0:18:12.640
table scraps is a good one I kind of sub
0:18:10.000,0:18:16.440
in there too and that one's a really
0:18:12.640,0:18:18.640
good one oh yeah but so and that's just
0:18:16.440,0:18:20.400
you know right after the pup distress
0:18:18.640,0:18:23.679
I'll play a little bit of the Fawn or
0:18:20.400,0:18:25.840
anope uh um distress and then I'll come
0:18:23.679,0:18:28.200
into table scraps but I always finish
0:18:25.840,0:18:29.960
with that that Fawn coyote sound from
0:18:28.200,0:18:32.120
Fox
0:18:29.960,0:18:35.240
and keep on going there I didn't mean to
0:18:32.120,0:18:38.559
interrupt you oh no that's okay that's
0:18:35.240,0:18:41.360
uh I was in with that sound right there
0:18:38.559,0:18:44.280
and uh it's it's money I'm telling you
0:18:41.360,0:18:47.919
it's money I killed like I said I killed
0:18:44.280,0:18:50.520
between 70 and 80 coyotes between July
0:18:47.919,0:18:52.360
and September just on that sequence just
0:18:50.520,0:18:55.840
on that one alone so then after
0:18:52.360,0:18:57.840
September rolls around you start to your
0:18:55.840,0:19:00.640
your sound your sequence at you're
0:18:57.840,0:19:02.720
playing starts to evolve it it changes
0:19:00.640,0:19:06.400
what what you're telling me is you don't
0:19:02.720,0:19:08.240
go out there from July in the next eight
0:19:06.400,0:19:11.760
months and just play rabbit on every
0:19:08.240,0:19:14.760
single stand your your your call your
0:19:11.760,0:19:17.039
your sequences they they change you play
0:19:14.760,0:19:19.280
a variety of sounds and it's evolving
0:19:17.039,0:19:22.559
throughout the year to keep having
0:19:19.280,0:19:24.440
success that's exactly right because
0:19:22.559,0:19:26.960
again once you get to that September
0:19:24.440,0:19:28.600
time frame you're at the very beginning
0:19:26.960,0:19:31.039
everybody knows that it's the start of
0:19:28.600,0:19:34.720
the this dispers migration
0:19:31.039,0:19:37.480
yes now you got a lot of pups out there
0:19:34.720,0:19:39.320
that have to fend for themselves right
0:19:37.480,0:19:41.720
right yeah they're you know that
0:19:39.320,0:19:44.320
September late September rows around you
0:19:41.720,0:19:46.280
know they're they're basically the same
0:19:44.320,0:19:47.919
size as mom and dad you know they might
0:19:46.280,0:19:49.320
there'll be a few pounds difference in
0:19:47.919,0:19:50.919
them when you see them come running in
0:19:49.320,0:19:52.720
it sometimes it's hard to distinguish
0:19:50.919,0:19:54.799
which one's the adult and which one's a
0:19:52.720,0:19:56.440
yearing because you know they grow fast
0:19:54.799,0:19:59.320
I mean they turn into Killers When that
0:19:56.440,0:20:01.400
October time frame rolls around
0:19:59.320,0:20:04.000
that's no that's not that's not a joke
0:20:01.400,0:20:06.159
they do it's it's it's incredible
0:20:04.000,0:20:10.000
because you know the the key thing too
0:20:06.159,0:20:12.679
is hunting nights you know with these
0:20:10.000,0:20:16.840
new thermal optics you can see thousands
0:20:12.679,0:20:19.640
of yards all right and um and uh I get
0:20:16.840,0:20:22.880
to see a lot of these pups grow on dens
0:20:19.640,0:20:25.039
you know because you call and and uh you
0:20:22.880,0:20:27.200
know you get the adults but these pups
0:20:25.039,0:20:29.039
you know they just sit out there so you
0:20:27.200,0:20:31.640
really get to see how they grow and
0:20:29.039,0:20:33.640
mature and and how they act a lot
0:20:31.640,0:20:36.960
because you know they won't come to the
0:20:33.640,0:20:39.320
call right right so that's why I kind of
0:20:36.960,0:20:42.640
learn to stay off those rabbit sounds
0:20:39.320,0:20:45.280
because there's an agenda in and in
0:20:42.640,0:20:48.120
September October that's when I'm coming
0:20:45.280,0:20:49.760
back for you right and I'm assuming you
0:20:48.120,0:20:51.880
we was talking about how you planned out
0:20:49.760,0:20:54.320
your stands you know when you talking
0:20:51.880,0:20:56.880
about giving giv stands or rest I'm
0:20:54.320,0:20:58.440
assuming those all those stands those
0:20:56.880,0:21:00.159
you know same general vicinities that
0:20:58.440,0:21:02.480
you you were calling from July through
0:21:00.159,0:21:04.440
September now you start circling back
0:21:02.480,0:21:07.080
around and start hitting those those
0:21:04.440,0:21:09.000
stands and stand locations again to come
0:21:07.080,0:21:12.480
back after these yearling cows is that
0:21:09.000,0:21:15.279
correct that's 100% correct uh I posted
0:21:12.480,0:21:17.159
a picture last year and those pups they
0:21:15.279,0:21:21.320
they won't leave the general area right
0:21:17.159,0:21:23.520
away right and you know but once they
0:21:21.320,0:21:25.640
start to hunt they'll come to the call
0:21:23.520,0:21:28.679
and they'll follow Mom and Dad right to
0:21:25.640,0:21:31.559
the call and you know on one stand I I
0:21:28.679,0:21:33.760
killed uh eight coyotes one stand eight
0:21:31.559,0:21:35.360
coyotes off one stand what and what time
0:21:33.760,0:21:38.520
of year was that was that that October
0:21:35.360,0:21:42.559
time frame or exactly right yeah yes sir
0:21:38.520,0:21:44.000
y yep and uh it's it's kind of weird you
0:21:42.559,0:21:46.440
know a property that big you think all
0:21:44.000,0:21:49.320
the coyotes act the same but they don't
0:21:46.440,0:21:51.279
right uh one side of that property you
0:21:49.320,0:21:54.679
know the coyotes during that September
0:21:51.279,0:21:56.960
October would already be gone dispersed
0:21:54.679,0:21:59.320
and and out doing their own thing and on
0:21:56.960,0:22:01.760
the other side of the ranch it would be
0:21:59.320,0:22:02.919
you know like that the the juveniles
0:22:01.760,0:22:05.120
were still with the adults still
0:22:02.919,0:22:10.279
clinging to a kind of a close-knit
0:22:05.120,0:22:12.880
family group type Dynamic so so when
0:22:10.279,0:22:16.440
after September tell end September going
0:22:12.880,0:22:17.960
in October and and you start to your
0:22:16.440,0:22:19.600
sequence starts to change you start
0:22:17.960,0:22:21.159
playing some rabbit and stuff like that
0:22:19.600,0:22:27.000
what's your sequence look
0:22:21.159,0:22:30.000
like um again I like to uh at that point
0:22:27.000,0:22:32.960
I I kind of get rid rid of the I I love
0:22:30.000,0:22:35.480
to start us stand with a how uh a howl
0:22:32.960,0:22:38.720
is I think is one of the
0:22:35.480,0:22:41.600
most key parts of what I do is because
0:22:38.720,0:22:43.360
you're introducing a new coyote put
0:22:41.600,0:22:46.880
putting a coyote right on the spot right
0:22:43.360,0:22:49.760
off a bat or coyot there y yep yep but
0:22:46.880,0:22:51.960
through uh you know September October
0:22:49.760,0:22:53.600
November I don't start a stand with a
0:22:51.960,0:22:56.960
how just
0:22:53.600,0:22:58.919
because I want that that young pup I
0:22:56.960,0:23:02.760
want everybody to feel his comfortable
0:22:58.919,0:23:05.600
as possible so what I'll do I you know
0:23:02.760,0:23:07.720
that I I've said it all year this last
0:23:05.600,0:23:11.440
year I've been starting with nutty nut
0:23:07.720,0:23:15.000
hatch it's a non it's a really good
0:23:11.440,0:23:16.880
sound for for uh any species that that's
0:23:15.000,0:23:19.360
out there any prair that's out there is
0:23:16.880,0:23:24.080
coming to nutty nut hatch right right
0:23:19.360,0:23:26.440
and then again I I mix in Crows and you
0:23:24.080,0:23:28.760
know sometimes you know an angry Badger
0:23:26.440,0:23:32.279
you know Birds
0:23:28.760,0:23:33.720
and uh and then pup distress those pups
0:23:32.279,0:23:34.760
are going to come to pup distress
0:23:33.720,0:23:36.600
because oh yeah they've been hearing
0:23:34.760,0:23:40.279
their brothers and sisters Squall out
0:23:36.600,0:23:43.159
all all pup rearing season yes sir I
0:23:40.279,0:23:46.080
mean a lot of people that don't play pup
0:23:43.159,0:23:50.039
distress are are really missing the boat
0:23:46.080,0:23:51.360
because from the time they they're born
0:23:50.039,0:23:54.159
that's what they
0:23:51.360,0:23:58.720
know and all the way through that up
0:23:54.159,0:24:00.960
until November December I it's a and you
0:23:58.720,0:24:03.039
it's a it's a key part of my my staple
0:24:00.960,0:24:05.840
in what I do and how I go about business
0:24:03.039,0:24:07.600
because right I give it a rest until you
0:24:05.840,0:24:10.760
know breeding season breeding season is
0:24:07.600,0:24:14.480
just around the corner so it gets a rest
0:24:10.760,0:24:16.640
all the way until you know um I say May
0:24:14.480,0:24:18.919
and June and then it comes right back
0:24:16.640,0:24:22.320
around right
0:24:18.919,0:24:24.480
right so so what about after that uh
0:24:22.320,0:24:26.000
that fall time period if you're say
0:24:24.480,0:24:27.840
you're running that type of sequence
0:24:26.000,0:24:31.120
what you know like your non-aggressive
0:24:27.840,0:24:33.200
type trated stress sounds off the bat
0:24:31.120,0:24:34.960
and uh going into the you know some
0:24:33.200,0:24:37.440
curiosity type sounds throwing in the
0:24:34.960,0:24:38.440
badger type sounds and maybe magp crows
0:24:37.440,0:24:40.360
all that type of stuff and then
0:24:38.440,0:24:42.919
finishing up with pups and fights and
0:24:40.360,0:24:44.399
stuff how long how long throughout the
0:24:42.919,0:24:47.760
year do you run that I know you said
0:24:44.399,0:24:49.440
October tell end September October U
0:24:47.760,0:24:52.360
when does that start to tell off for you
0:24:49.440,0:24:54.960
you start to go into a new new sequence
0:24:52.360,0:24:58.720
or or start mixing some other type of
0:24:54.960,0:25:01.679
sounds in that what December maybe
0:24:58.720,0:25:03.360
yeah it's uh when I hit around December
0:25:01.679,0:25:05.000
I'm going to start tapering my call and
0:25:03.360,0:25:06.840
then I'll get back into the house
0:25:05.000,0:25:11.080
because now we're we're starting to move
0:25:06.840,0:25:14.960
into uh the breeding season and a lot of
0:25:11.080,0:25:18.200
female lone house uh female invitation I
0:25:14.960,0:25:20.679
start throwing those out there to start
0:25:18.200,0:25:22.039
seeing when that particular property is
0:25:20.679,0:25:25.760
going to start hitting that breeding
0:25:22.039,0:25:27.760
season right and you may not get any
0:25:25.760,0:25:29.919
response to them but I keep fishing them
0:25:27.760,0:25:31.760
out there with whether it's day or night
0:25:29.919,0:25:34.120
and seeing when I get that response
0:25:31.760,0:25:35.960
because once I start getting respones
0:25:34.120,0:25:39.080
when I truly change my whole sequence
0:25:35.960,0:25:42.480
and go to to uh the whole breeding
0:25:39.080,0:25:46.200
season time frame of of sequences right
0:25:42.480,0:25:48.760
right now that said I still just to
0:25:46.200,0:25:51.799
change it up remember because I I do
0:25:48.760,0:25:54.200
play stands over and over I'll still do
0:25:51.799,0:25:57.120
a a whole rabbit sequence stand on that
0:25:54.200,0:25:58.960
on that and it works right oh of course
0:25:57.120,0:26:01.960
they've got to eat
0:25:58.960,0:26:03.960
they've got to eat but what I do and
0:26:01.960,0:26:07.200
that and that's that's what helps me out
0:26:03.960,0:26:09.679
playing stands multiple times is now not
0:26:07.200,0:26:12.880
only do can I do a rabbit sequence there
0:26:09.679,0:26:16.159
now I do a breeding sequence there and
0:26:12.880,0:26:17.960
it helps me uh manage my sound Library
0:26:16.159,0:26:21.200
as well as manage the coyotes that are
0:26:17.960,0:26:23.840
there right exactly exactly stay stay
0:26:21.200,0:26:26.799
with fresh sounds on the fresh ears
0:26:23.840,0:26:29.440
right that's exactly right and that's
0:26:26.799,0:26:32.679
one thing I think I do a little bit
0:26:29.440,0:26:35.799
better than most is I kill the majority
0:26:32.679,0:26:39.159
of what comes to the call hey I like
0:26:35.799,0:26:43.279
that and um three three up three down
0:26:39.159,0:26:46.159
right three up three down and that's you
0:26:43.279,0:26:49.039
know it's it's there's a sound that Fox
0:26:46.159,0:26:52.440
Bros had and they had for years it's
0:26:49.039,0:26:54.000
called Uh coyot death cry yep yep if
0:26:52.440,0:26:54.799
you're not playing that after you shoot
0:26:54.000,0:26:57.399
a
0:26:54.799,0:27:00.480
coyote you're not it's either pup
0:26:57.399,0:27:02.960
distress or or coyote death cry coyote
0:27:00.480,0:27:05.679
death cry comes in after after uh
0:27:02.960,0:27:06.960
December time frame yep and because
0:27:05.679,0:27:09.440
because they're paired remember they're
0:27:06.960,0:27:13.159
paring they're mating and I'm telling
0:27:09.440,0:27:15.240
you knowing what coyote to shoot and as
0:27:13.159,0:27:17.480
soon as that happens hit the preset to
0:27:15.240,0:27:20.120
Coyote death cry and you get those
0:27:17.480,0:27:21.679
coyotes either coming all the way back
0:27:20.120,0:27:24.360
or they'll stop and give you a good
0:27:21.679,0:27:27.000
second shot so you take you take a
0:27:24.360,0:27:29.120
single now you turn it into a double if
0:27:27.000,0:27:31.799
it's a triple
0:27:29.120,0:27:33.640
sometimes it's a triple two so talking
0:27:31.799,0:27:35.159
about taking those multiple coyotes on
0:27:33.640,0:27:37.000
stand just like in during that time
0:27:35.159,0:27:38.679
frame and I'm glad you mention kyot
0:27:37.000,0:27:40.519
death cry because that that is an old
0:27:38.679,0:27:42.760
sound that's an you know one of the
0:27:40.519,0:27:45.399
older sounds in the fox Pro library but
0:27:42.760,0:27:47.440
man it's a good one Odie but a goodie
0:27:45.399,0:27:49.440
and you know I still use it to this day
0:27:47.440,0:27:53.640
you know that was one of my main sounds
0:27:49.440,0:27:56.320
I ran you know years years and years ago
0:27:53.640,0:27:58.519
um but uh you know taking multiple
0:27:56.320,0:28:00.640
multiple coyotes on stand talking about
0:27:58.519,0:28:02.640
turning those a single into a double and
0:28:00.640,0:28:04.159
a triple and quad and so on used even
0:28:02.640,0:28:07.760
talk about killing eight coats on a
0:28:04.159,0:28:10.240
stand during the fall time frame um tell
0:28:07.760,0:28:13.600
me about you was talking about using
0:28:10.240,0:28:16.320
your remote presets to change sounds to
0:28:13.600,0:28:19.240
get Coos to STP or come running
0:28:16.320,0:28:21.799
back how often do you ever shoot at
0:28:19.240,0:28:24.120
running couds you know say four come
0:28:21.799,0:28:25.760
running in you make that first shot it
0:28:24.120,0:28:28.360
sounds like your next step instead of
0:28:25.760,0:28:31.080
Mag dumping you're relying on your
0:28:28.360,0:28:33.000
remote to to get second chance and third
0:28:31.080,0:28:37.200
and fourth chance
0:28:33.000,0:28:40.519
opportunities well I use my remote 99.9%
0:28:37.200,0:28:40.519
of the time yes
0:28:40.720,0:28:46.880
because I found that the quicker I can
0:28:43.880,0:28:48.960
use a preset on my remote because once a
0:28:46.880,0:28:51.760
coyote really Tunes up and starts
0:28:48.960,0:28:55.279
running the odds of him stopping are
0:28:51.760,0:28:57.200
slim to none right if you can interrupt
0:28:55.279,0:28:58.919
his train of thought because he just
0:28:57.200,0:29:02.519
turned something that he wasn't he
0:28:58.919,0:29:04.919
didn't like at all and now he's turning
0:29:02.519,0:29:07.440
to leave if you can interrupt his train
0:29:04.919,0:29:10.039
of thought and Peak his curiosity before
0:29:07.440,0:29:12.919
he gets motoring the better chance you
0:29:10.039,0:29:17.360
have of getting him stopped so when I'm
0:29:12.919,0:29:20.200
when I'm shooting my off hand is either
0:29:17.360,0:29:23.640
close or on the remote so when the when
0:29:20.200,0:29:25.320
the trigger breaks I hit that uh preset
0:29:23.640,0:29:27.440
which gives that second coyote something
0:29:25.320,0:29:29.279
else to think about right right well I'm
0:29:27.440,0:29:30.840
glad you brought set up cuz you know
0:29:29.279,0:29:32.720
that's actually something I that's like
0:29:30.840,0:29:35.880
a whole section of my seminars when I
0:29:32.720,0:29:38.240
travel around do seminars I yes sir cuz
0:29:35.880,0:29:39.720
I see people mess up they'll you got to
0:29:38.240,0:29:42.399
be able to read a Kyle's body language
0:29:39.720,0:29:44.760
to start off with here uh exactly after
0:29:42.399,0:29:46.480
that first shot or you can you can tell
0:29:44.760,0:29:48.240
pretty quick on Coes whether you're
0:29:46.480,0:29:51.440
going to be able to get them to stop for
0:29:48.240,0:29:53.039
a good shot opportunity or if you might
0:29:51.440,0:29:55.640
have to contemplate taking a running
0:29:53.039,0:29:57.799
shot um if you read your body like you
0:29:55.640,0:30:00.519
know those coyotes right off the bat if
0:29:57.799,0:30:02.559
they're just absolutely digging in the
0:30:00.519,0:30:04.679
dirt kicking dirt up behind them ears
0:30:02.559,0:30:06.240
pinned back and they're just like 6 Ines
0:30:04.679,0:30:08.039
off the ground when they're running away
0:30:06.240,0:30:10.159
they're probably not going to stop but
0:30:08.039,0:30:13.039
those coow that are more head up and
0:30:10.159,0:30:14.320
they're more just Lo yeah yes those Co
0:30:13.039,0:30:16.600
those coow are going to stop and you see
0:30:14.320,0:30:18.960
so many people I think a lot of guys in
0:30:16.600,0:30:21.360
gals mess up a lot of times when they
0:30:18.960,0:30:23.919
call in multiple coyotes instead of
0:30:21.360,0:30:28.120
after that first shot instead of
0:30:23.919,0:30:30.720
thinking about the remote and hit this
0:30:28.120,0:30:32.559
got presets on these remotes I mean it
0:30:30.720,0:30:34.880
really is I mean this is one of the main
0:30:32.559,0:30:36.399
things to have in your presets is is you
0:30:34.880,0:30:39.519
know I've got an assortment of different
0:30:36.399,0:30:41.000
hows pup distresses and and fights and
0:30:39.519,0:30:44.799
the reason I've got them in those first
0:30:41.000,0:30:46.880
so many presets is for stopping cows and
0:30:44.799,0:30:48.760
calling cows back to the call so I think
0:30:46.880,0:30:50.919
you've got to be mindful that you need
0:30:48.760,0:30:53.960
to think about that remote first after
0:30:50.919,0:30:55.639
that first shot you you shoot you see
0:30:53.960,0:30:56.799
your other coachs read their body
0:30:55.639,0:30:59.320
language you got to do this in an
0:30:56.799,0:31:01.360
instant read body language and then get
0:30:59.320,0:31:04.039
right on that remote uh instead of
0:31:01.360,0:31:05.720
getting on the trigger CU I exactly it's
0:31:04.039,0:31:07.639
a lot easier and what what reason I'm
0:31:05.720,0:31:11.480
saying this and I know it's you you're
0:31:07.639,0:31:15.360
going to 100% agree with me is when you
0:31:11.480,0:31:17.760
do this it is a lot easier to hit a
0:31:15.360,0:31:20.080
standing a c that is standing still
0:31:17.760,0:31:25.120
versus one that's running 30 m hour away
0:31:20.080,0:31:27.000
from you right that is 100% a fact you
0:31:25.120,0:31:29.760
I'm a firm believer you'll kill more
0:31:27.000,0:31:32.039
doubles triples and quads shooting it
0:31:29.760,0:31:35.760
stand Standing coyotes and you everywher
0:31:32.039,0:31:38.760
running coyotes that's exactly right and
0:31:35.760,0:31:41.240
another another key fact that I've seen
0:31:38.760,0:31:43.679
over the so many years I've been calling
0:31:41.240,0:31:45.200
and hitting that preset can some
0:31:43.679,0:31:48.480
sometimes change the speed of that
0:31:45.200,0:31:50.600
coyote out of a full run he won't stop
0:31:48.480,0:31:53.080
but he'll come back to a lope which is a
0:31:50.600,0:31:55.240
lot better manageable shot than trying
0:31:53.080,0:31:58.360
to hit one at full speed because we know
0:31:55.240,0:32:00.559
KY coyotes are fast yeah and that's
0:31:58.360,0:32:02.600
right sometimes you do have it might not
0:32:00.559,0:32:04.720
be what I would call a running shot but
0:32:02.600,0:32:08.600
it's not a standing shot but you've used
0:32:04.720,0:32:10.960
those sounds to slow that cow up yes sir
0:32:08.600,0:32:13.720
he's he's already know he's not stopping
0:32:10.960,0:32:16.159
but he's he's curious and that's that's
0:32:13.720,0:32:19.600
a way easier shot than than taking one
0:32:16.159,0:32:21.679
just running full out yes sir I totally
0:32:19.600,0:32:24.200
I totally agree with you that's a and I
0:32:21.679,0:32:27.919
here's a good question for for this on
0:32:24.200,0:32:30.200
uh on those 212 coyotes how much ammo
0:32:27.919,0:32:33.480
did you go through to to collect 2112
0:32:30.200,0:32:35.000
coyes now that being said guys he does a
0:32:33.480,0:32:36.639
lot more hunting than just on his
0:32:35.000,0:32:38.960
property so I'm imagine you killed a lot
0:32:36.639,0:32:41.519
more than 212 coyes this past season but
0:32:38.960,0:32:43.760
off this one property took 212 how much
0:32:41.519,0:32:46.480
ammo did you go through to collect 212
0:32:43.760,0:32:49.320
coyes I'm gonna say it's it's it's a
0:32:46.480,0:32:52.320
little over because you know I don't I
0:32:49.320,0:32:56.880
have to humble myself and and call it
0:32:52.320,0:33:01.039
like it is I bet it's 300 350 hey that's
0:32:56.880,0:33:02.480
you know it's not bad no and it's not
0:33:01.039,0:33:04.720
like it's not like he's shooting steel
0:33:02.480,0:33:07.159
and paper or shooting Mo you know it's
0:33:04.720,0:33:08.840
high high you know fast-paced type
0:33:07.159,0:33:10.600
hunting when you're doing coyot calling
0:33:08.840,0:33:11.760
so and plus you know your nerves get the
0:33:10.600,0:33:14.320
best of you every once a while I'm sure
0:33:11.760,0:33:18.600
you ain't Miss no 50 or 60 yard shots
0:33:14.320,0:33:21.159
before no right and and I'm the guy that
0:33:18.600,0:33:26.200
you know I'm out there getting paid to
0:33:21.159,0:33:29.519
to uh produce make a if if a coyot
0:33:26.200,0:33:32.240
standing four five 600 yards if he's
0:33:29.519,0:33:34.120
standing and I've made a lot of them and
0:33:32.240,0:33:38.000
you know through the you know technology
0:33:34.120,0:33:41.320
and learning my equipment I am I'm at
0:33:38.000,0:33:44.320
those bar shots I'm better than 50% but
0:33:41.320,0:33:46.679
I'm still not not 100% where you always
0:33:44.320,0:33:49.480
want need to be right because like I
0:33:46.679,0:33:51.080
said I the more you shoot at a coyote
0:33:49.480,0:33:54.200
the hard you is to call back another
0:33:51.080,0:33:56.919
time DED DED you need to kill
0:33:54.200,0:33:59.279
him and that's that's you know and it
0:33:56.919,0:34:02.760
it's hard because I have also found that
0:33:59.279,0:34:04.600
to help me out you know not absolutely
0:34:02.760,0:34:07.360
you know when you mag dump on one and
0:34:04.600,0:34:10.440
run him completely out of country rather
0:34:07.360,0:34:12.800
than shooting one or two shots how is he
0:34:10.440,0:34:13.839
going to be called back the next time so
0:34:12.800,0:34:16.960
you'd be pretty
0:34:13.839,0:34:19.079
leery right yeah so I'd rather take one
0:34:16.960,0:34:21.599
or two educated shots than than
0:34:19.079,0:34:25.000
absolutely you know rolling a ton at him
0:34:21.599,0:34:27.440
right right right well you know it uh
0:34:25.000,0:34:29.079
it's um one thing you don't have to
0:34:27.440,0:34:30.760
worry about about calling in a calling
0:34:29.079,0:34:33.240
back in a coyot that You' shot in the
0:34:30.760,0:34:33.240
chest
0:34:34.919,0:34:40.960
right right exactly right so yeah yeah
0:34:39.359,0:34:44.399
it's
0:34:40.960,0:34:48.000
uh it's a it's a learning process and
0:34:44.399,0:34:49.919
I'm still learning today and I've got a
0:34:48.000,0:34:53.359
you know already a huge list of stuff
0:34:49.919,0:34:56.399
I'm GNA change for this year hey and and
0:34:53.359,0:34:58.200
and see what works outy that's that's I
0:34:56.399,0:35:01.359
think it's a great point you know you've
0:34:58.200,0:35:04.079
been you know hunting for decades for
0:35:01.359,0:35:05.880
coyotes you know sir you know I I I know
0:35:04.079,0:35:07.599
you really well and we've talked about
0:35:05.880,0:35:09.000
your your hunting hunting past and
0:35:07.599,0:35:11.760
hunting with your dad and stuff like
0:35:09.000,0:35:13.800
that um I think it's it's awesome how
0:35:11.760,0:35:15.480
many years you've been hunting and you
0:35:13.800,0:35:17.880
still acknowledge you know hey I got to
0:35:15.480,0:35:19.839
change things up to keep getting better
0:35:17.880,0:35:22.160
or you know I've got bad things I've got
0:35:19.839,0:35:24.200
to take bad habits out you know it's
0:35:22.160,0:35:27.079
it's all you I mean to to continually
0:35:24.200,0:35:28.320
have success you've got to evolve you
0:35:27.079,0:35:30.200
know things
0:35:28.320,0:35:33.040
coyot World things change in our world
0:35:30.200,0:35:34.640
so that's awesome I hear you I hear you
0:35:33.040,0:35:36.599
dog yapping there in the background and
0:35:34.640,0:35:39.079
that made me think too you do a lot of
0:35:36.599,0:35:41.359
hunting with dogs uh you do a lot of
0:35:39.079,0:35:43.480
decoy dog hunting and and pretty much
0:35:41.359,0:35:47.200
you're taking dog out with you almost
0:35:43.480,0:35:50.480
your round aren't you yes sir I sure do
0:35:47.200,0:35:53.000
and um you know when I night hunt you
0:35:50.480,0:35:56.720
know I don't get paid unless I produce
0:35:53.000,0:36:00.000
and part of that producing is showing
0:35:56.720,0:36:03.240
evidence of the kill right and so you
0:36:00.000,0:36:05.599
know when I turn them in and uh I don't
0:36:03.240,0:36:09.119
get paid unless I unless I have them and
0:36:05.599,0:36:11.960
that dog he's key to finding him that's
0:36:09.119,0:36:14.520
I mean he's already been over close to a
0:36:11.960,0:36:18.760
thousand coyotes right right he's a
0:36:14.520,0:36:21.800
four-year-old right and uh but yeah
0:36:18.760,0:36:24.160
yesterday we went out yesterday morning
0:36:21.800,0:36:26.359
decoy it's a beautiful time of year you
0:36:24.160,0:36:28.960
only get a few stands in the morning
0:36:26.359,0:36:32.240
but yeah face to face with the big old
0:36:28.960,0:36:35.720
male and shot he had that male 50 yards
0:36:32.240,0:36:37.599
from me that's awesome nothing like it I
0:36:35.720,0:36:40.319
mean that's that's when you can sit back
0:36:37.599,0:36:43.760
and relax once they engage with the
0:36:40.319,0:36:45.359
dog you just they don't know anything
0:36:43.760,0:36:49.319
else it's him and the
0:36:45.359,0:36:52.160
dog and uh it's a it's a it's incredible
0:36:49.319,0:36:53.720
what what you experience by by having a
0:36:52.160,0:36:55.160
dog out there right what you know
0:36:53.720,0:36:57.240
everybody's got their own opinion on
0:36:55.160,0:36:58.839
what dogs are best in the Cy world what
0:36:57.240,0:37:02.839
kind of dog you running what kind of dog
0:36:58.839,0:37:06.079
is he I run a Blackmouth cerr yeah and
0:37:02.839,0:37:08.319
um and I I chose him because I didn't
0:37:06.079,0:37:11.440
think I was going to run a second dog
0:37:08.319,0:37:14.599
and he's plenty big enough to handle uh
0:37:11.440,0:37:16.520
a couple of coyotes by himself yep and
0:37:14.599,0:37:19.400
uh because you know we're we're not in
0:37:16.520,0:37:22.640
the business to hurt our our our dogs
0:37:19.400,0:37:25.760
you know we love them like kids yep so
0:37:22.640,0:37:27.800
but um yeah so I chose him because he
0:37:25.760,0:37:30.160
could he could stand his own ground and
0:37:27.800,0:37:32.839
you know things get kind of kind of
0:37:30.160,0:37:36.280
crazy from time to time but you know
0:37:32.839,0:37:38.599
those you know I've known uh people that
0:37:36.280,0:37:42.440
run a lot smaller dogs too and do just
0:37:38.599,0:37:44.880
as well healers and and Collies and man
0:37:42.440,0:37:46.200
I tell you it's as long as the dog wants
0:37:44.880,0:37:47.839
to work I don't think there's a
0:37:46.200,0:37:49.839
particular
0:37:47.839,0:37:52.040
breed there's some that are better than
0:37:49.839,0:37:53.640
others I goe tell you Dam dang healer
0:37:52.040,0:37:57.079
dogs a worth the
0:37:53.640,0:37:59.119
crap I've got three of them I go I feel
0:37:57.079,0:38:01.040
sorry them guys trying to work him guys
0:37:59.119,0:38:02.839
he's hard-headed healers I got one
0:38:01.040,0:38:06.160
staring at me right
0:38:02.839,0:38:07.720
now he's looking at me like you know I
0:38:06.160,0:38:09.160
like chewing on a ky don't you even
0:38:07.720,0:38:13.200
think about taking me out there hunting
0:38:09.160,0:38:15.200
cuz I'm gone chasing man the crazy
0:38:13.200,0:38:17.200
things I've actually fooled with them on
0:38:15.200,0:38:20.440
on trying to decoy a little bit man he
0:38:17.200,0:38:23.760
hard-headed suckers but anyway the Cur
0:38:20.440,0:38:25.359
dogs you know they are a cool breed I
0:38:23.760,0:38:28.160
actually got to hunt behind some kurur
0:38:25.359,0:38:30.280
dogs this past year uh past summer for
0:38:28.160,0:38:33.040
the first time with Levi Johnson up in
0:38:30.280,0:38:35.839
Montana I was super impressed with those
0:38:33.040,0:38:38.280
dogs so you know well-mannered uh I
0:38:35.839,0:38:40.240
really enjoyed hunting around them
0:38:38.280,0:38:44.040
that's that's the thing about that about
0:38:40.240,0:38:46.440
diesel anybody can be around them yeah
0:38:44.040,0:38:48.040
what you know he's protective when we're
0:38:46.440,0:38:50.480
out by oursel you know and somebody
0:38:48.040,0:38:53.359
walks up to the truck because you know
0:38:50.480,0:38:56.119
you know I live in Arizona and H Arizona
0:38:53.359,0:38:58.480
New Mexico you know with you know
0:38:56.119,0:39:00.960
sometimes illegals come around and he
0:38:58.480,0:39:04.280
lets me know when they're there right
0:39:00.960,0:39:07.560
right but uh anybody can pet him he
0:39:04.280,0:39:09.119
loves on everybody he's a great dog but
0:39:07.560,0:39:12.839
he loves to
0:39:09.119,0:39:14.480
work that's what you name and oh every
0:39:12.839,0:39:17.200
time you open the door or you walk to
0:39:14.480,0:39:20.079
the back door and he's like we're going
0:39:17.200,0:39:22.440
I'm getting in right and you you just
0:39:20.079,0:39:24.280
love that he has no no quit in him he's
0:39:22.440,0:39:28.040
just all about going
0:39:24.280,0:39:29.800
hunting that's good stuff um he's he's
0:39:28.040,0:39:31.160
actually staring at me right now like
0:39:29.800,0:39:33.480
what you doing
0:39:31.160,0:39:35.200
d one thing is cool you know every you
0:39:33.480,0:39:37.280
know not everybody but a lot of people
0:39:35.200,0:39:39.599
pretty familiar with with decoy dogging
0:39:37.280,0:39:41.680
through the dinning and P wearing season
0:39:39.599,0:39:43.240
but uh I think it's pretty interesting
0:39:41.680,0:39:45.760
where you do take him year round cuz
0:39:43.240,0:39:47.520
just like you said you know to get paid
0:39:45.760,0:39:50.160
when you're doing this uh Predator
0:39:47.520,0:39:52.599
control work on these ranches you have
0:39:50.160,0:39:56.119
got to produce a cow you've got to
0:39:52.599,0:39:58.319
you've got to show proof of the coy kill
0:39:56.119,0:40:00.079
so you're using that do to help find
0:39:58.319,0:40:02.800
your coyotes after you shoot them cuz
0:40:00.079,0:40:04.119
you know even in the daytime that type
0:40:02.800,0:40:06.599
of country especially if you're making
0:40:04.119,0:40:08.400
longer shots and like that I call that
0:40:06.599,0:40:10.560
like that you know that Sage Brush
0:40:08.400,0:40:11.960
Country it can be hard to find these
0:40:10.560,0:40:13.920
coyes way out there if you have to shoot
0:40:11.960,0:40:16.160
one out there at three 400 yards you
0:40:13.920,0:40:17.880
know it all looks the same not not
0:40:16.160,0:40:19.079
always but a lot of times this stuff
0:40:17.880,0:40:20.480
just looks the same you get out there
0:40:19.079,0:40:23.520
and you can't it's hard to locate these
0:40:20.480,0:40:25.119
cows and especially at nighttime so you
0:40:23.520,0:40:26.720
know if you got your dog out there he's
0:40:25.119,0:40:29.599
got pretty good nose on him he can Trail
0:40:26.720,0:40:31.760
these coyes up find them for you that's
0:40:29.599,0:40:34.319
exactly right I've I've shot Coyotes out
0:40:31.760,0:40:37.200
there you know three 400 yards and you
0:40:34.319,0:40:39.680
know I I go out to retrieve him and
0:40:37.200,0:40:43.599
Diesel's going completely different way
0:40:39.680,0:40:45.599
over there and you know I'm I'm like
0:40:43.599,0:40:47.520
he's over here boy come on and I just
0:40:45.599,0:40:50.800
keep walking and looking and pretty soon
0:40:47.520,0:40:54.400
I see him over there Light No dummy it's
0:40:50.800,0:40:56.920
over here exactly right and he I was
0:40:54.400,0:41:00.560
like oh my God thank God for your I
0:40:56.920,0:41:02.319
would never found that ever yep you know
0:41:00.560,0:41:04.119
you see you see it a lot I ain't picking
0:41:02.319,0:41:05.920
on nobody I see this but you'll see
0:41:04.119,0:41:07.400
every once in a while you know somebody
0:41:05.920,0:41:10.720
like yeah went hunting this weekend
0:41:07.400,0:41:12.599
called in 14 coyot shot 11 of them
0:41:10.720,0:41:15.520
retrieve
0:41:12.599,0:41:17.000
four you know this right here cut that
0:41:15.520,0:41:19.920
cut that business out there because he's
0:41:17.000,0:41:21.960
gonna find them right so I don't get
0:41:19.920,0:41:24.680
paid unless unless they're in the truck
0:41:21.960,0:41:26.920
that's that's simple fact yep yep you
0:41:24.680,0:41:29.720
know we even on summer type stands you
0:41:26.920,0:41:32.040
know I've hun with dogs and you know
0:41:29.720,0:41:33.960
everybody's going to make a subpar shot
0:41:32.040,0:41:35.720
every once in a while you know like KY
0:41:33.960,0:41:37.839
run off there's been times we've shot
0:41:35.720,0:41:39.200
coyotes and coyot have run off and man
0:41:37.839,0:41:40.800
it' have been tough for us to find that
0:41:39.200,0:41:42.560
coyot if it wasn't for the Dog trail it
0:41:40.800,0:41:44.839
up not saying it went forever or nothing
0:41:42.560,0:41:47.119
like that it's just you know you know on
0:41:44.839,0:41:49.400
this todler type grass you get in or
0:41:47.119,0:41:51.280
that Sage type country or they try to go
0:41:49.400,0:41:52.520
in a hole or brush pile or something
0:41:51.280,0:41:54.119
like that there's been there's been a
0:41:52.520,0:41:56.240
handful of times when a coyote has
0:41:54.119,0:41:59.760
helped us collect another coyote after a
0:41:56.240,0:42:02.760
shot exactly right um you know four or
0:41:59.760,0:42:05.160
five times last year even once you know
0:42:02.760,0:42:07.400
two two or three weeks ago you know not
0:42:05.160,0:42:10.440
making the best shot on a coyote and you
0:42:07.400,0:42:12.359
know he's leaving well diesel ran him
0:42:10.440,0:42:15.680
down and held him there until I got
0:42:12.359,0:42:18.400
there right right and that's you know
0:42:15.680,0:42:21.079
that's money that potentially could have
0:42:18.400,0:42:23.480
go out way or the worst thing in the
0:42:21.079,0:42:25.680
world and I told this and this is when I
0:42:23.480,0:42:29.079
tell people that you got to know your
0:42:25.680,0:42:32.000
weapon a coyote a wounded
0:42:29.079,0:42:35.160
coyote becomes a killer yeah if you
0:42:32.000,0:42:38.079
don't kill him yeah because now if you
0:42:35.160,0:42:39.920
limited his speed now
0:42:38.079,0:42:42.880
you the
0:42:39.920,0:42:45.359
rod exactly right now he's focusing on
0:42:42.880,0:42:47.920
something slower and you definitely
0:42:45.359,0:42:49.839
don't want him going after Cals so
0:42:47.920,0:42:52.880
that's why I tell
0:42:49.839,0:42:55.440
people be the most passionate you can be
0:42:52.880,0:42:58.520
about your weapon how it can shoot how
0:42:55.440,0:43:00.559
far it can shoot and learn it because
0:42:58.520,0:43:04.319
when a coyote turns to a killer you've
0:43:00.559,0:43:06.480
got a huge problem right yep
0:43:04.319,0:43:10.480
yep well let me ask you one more thing
0:43:06.480,0:43:13.520
about the dog I know through the dinning
0:43:10.480,0:43:15.240
season puff earing season you're you're
0:43:13.520,0:43:18.319
you're decoying his cows you're letting
0:43:15.240,0:43:20.200
him Engage The Couts during that fall
0:43:18.319,0:43:22.400
and winter time frame when you're taking
0:43:20.200,0:43:24.240
diesel out there with to your your Kur
0:43:22.400,0:43:26.000
dog are you letting him engage with the
0:43:24.240,0:43:29.200
Couts before you shoot or you
0:43:26.000,0:43:32.559
predominantly have him just for
0:43:29.200,0:43:35.559
retrieval I have him out there um I I
0:43:32.559,0:43:37.880
also take him on the stands and uh but I
0:43:35.559,0:43:40.359
it's a different role he likes to wander
0:43:37.880,0:43:42.680
around and that's good but as soon as I
0:43:40.359,0:43:44.640
see a coyote I tone him and bring him
0:43:42.680,0:43:51.079
back to me and that Kyle will naturally
0:43:44.640,0:43:53.599
come and be curious I do that to to um
0:43:51.079,0:43:55.839
basically the coyote they're used to
0:43:53.599,0:43:58.960
other Predators out there so they feel
0:43:55.839,0:44:00.640
more comfortable you know if they see
0:43:58.960,0:44:02.760
say for instance if they see a truck
0:44:00.640,0:44:05.319
they're leaving right but when that
0:44:02.760,0:44:07.559
dog's there I feel it puts them at ease
0:44:05.319,0:44:09.599
a little bit right yeah and they and and
0:44:07.559,0:44:12.520
they come within my M whether they come
0:44:09.599,0:44:16.040
to the call or not they come within
0:44:12.520,0:44:18.400
rifle range and that's that's my whole
0:44:16.040,0:44:22.480
goal is getting that coyote within rifle
0:44:18.400,0:44:24.319
range to produce what the ranches has me
0:44:22.480,0:44:26.200
there to do right well that's that's
0:44:24.319,0:44:29.160
kind of what I figured but you're you're
0:44:26.200,0:44:31.440
not like this time of year if coyot come
0:44:29.160,0:44:32.880
calling in or you call coyotes in you're
0:44:31.440,0:44:34.160
you're sending him out you're wanting
0:44:32.880,0:44:35.720
him to go out there and engage those
0:44:34.160,0:44:38.720
coyot but you're not at you just want
0:44:35.720,0:44:41.200
him to stay clean and close proximity to
0:44:38.720,0:44:42.839
you and stay with you during the fall
0:44:41.200,0:44:46.240
and winter months right you're not
0:44:42.839,0:44:48.640
sending them out after him no h I just
0:44:46.240,0:44:51.520
want him there to to Peak their
0:44:48.640,0:44:53.720
curiosity because you know that happens
0:44:51.520,0:44:56.319
to them all the time when they hear a
0:44:53.720,0:44:59.040
rabbit or something distress there's
0:44:56.319,0:45:00.920
more coyotes in in that area right and a
0:44:59.040,0:45:02.599
lot of times there's you know if there's
0:45:00.920,0:45:06.119
a deer or whatever there's a lot of
0:45:02.599,0:45:08.520
coyotes there so they're used to that so
0:45:06.119,0:45:11.280
him being fond colored you know kind of
0:45:08.520,0:45:13.599
a light tan he really pequs their
0:45:11.280,0:45:16.720
interest and they don't they don't just
0:45:13.599,0:45:19.520
leave they you know they don't blow in
0:45:16.720,0:45:21.359
but again my whole my whole goal in that
0:45:19.520,0:45:23.640
scenario is just get them with them rle
0:45:21.359,0:45:25.720
range awesome he's valuable tool for you
0:45:23.640,0:45:29.000
let me ask you let me we mentioned Mount
0:45:25.720,0:45:30.640
lines earlier did you um you I know you
0:45:29.000,0:45:32.720
you harvested some Mountain lines this
0:45:30.640,0:45:34.359
year is off this property that you took
0:45:32.720,0:45:35.920
these coats does it have lines did you
0:45:34.359,0:45:39.040
kill any lines off it
0:45:35.920,0:45:41.160
Place yeah uh this year I filled my
0:45:39.040,0:45:44.440
quota on that on that property which was
0:45:41.160,0:45:47.680
two on that single property and and then
0:45:44.440,0:45:49.319
um i' I've got some in Arizona as well
0:45:47.680,0:45:50.839
awesome so how many how many kyos did
0:45:49.319,0:45:52.599
you or not KY how many mountain lines
0:45:50.839,0:45:56.680
did you call in this past
0:45:52.599,0:45:58.720
season call in um I mean you call in how
0:45:56.680,0:46:05.880
many
0:45:58.720,0:46:08.000
you h i called in s seven seven eight
0:46:05.880,0:46:11.440
with eight eight with this last one that
0:46:08.000,0:46:14.400
I had to let walk but it with lions it's
0:46:11.440,0:46:17.640
um it's a 5050 shot because a lot of
0:46:14.400,0:46:19.160
times they like to come for a ways and I
0:46:17.640,0:46:22.599
don't know what it is a lot of times
0:46:19.160,0:46:24.839
they'll just leave they'll never yeah
0:46:22.599,0:46:27.720
yep they'll for some reason or another
0:46:24.839,0:46:30.280
it's it's a 50-50 shot but
0:46:27.720,0:46:34.040
yeah
0:46:30.280,0:46:36.319
um killed killed was two that's the
0:46:34.040,0:46:38.559
legal limit over there and then one in
0:46:36.319,0:46:41.599
like I said in Arizona so three three
0:46:38.559,0:46:43.440
out of eight yes sir it's pretty awesome
0:46:41.599,0:46:46.079
you know how many people even see three
0:46:43.440,0:46:48.800
Mountain lines in their lifetime right
0:46:46.079,0:46:51.359
right I'm working with a a a Lon hunter
0:46:48.800,0:46:53.760
that you know when I when I do that then
0:46:51.359,0:46:56.280
I also I also call him and let him know
0:46:53.760,0:46:59.400
area so call a line per it and get it
0:46:56.280,0:47:02.720
harvested bringing dogs go run him down
0:46:59.400,0:47:05.760
yes sure so it's a it's that's pretty
0:47:02.720,0:47:08.319
awesome if you guys if you guys want to
0:47:05.760,0:47:11.319
want to learn some more about Mountain
0:47:08.319,0:47:13.520
line calling we actually have a podcast
0:47:11.319,0:47:15.040
with Stacy right here on the fox Pro
0:47:13.520,0:47:17.040
podcast I don't know what number it is
0:47:15.040,0:47:19.319
but go back and find it it's a it's a
0:47:17.040,0:47:22.200
very interesting and very educational
0:47:19.319,0:47:25.240
podcast on on Colin line so y'all y'all
0:47:22.200,0:47:26.920
definitely go go check that out now
0:47:25.240,0:47:29.079
Stacy I've got a couple question
0:47:26.920,0:47:31.079
questions I want to ask you here maybe
0:47:29.079,0:47:33.720
three something like that just to get
0:47:31.079,0:47:35.240
your opinion on stuff and then we'll get
0:47:33.720,0:47:38.720
out of here we've been on here for for a
0:47:35.240,0:47:41.559
pretty good little piece um the first
0:47:38.720,0:47:43.200
one here is would you rather type thing
0:47:41.559,0:47:47.119
and I think I may have asked you this
0:47:43.200,0:47:48.880
before in the past but uh for for
0:47:47.119,0:47:51.680
straight up
0:47:48.880,0:47:55.000
recreational calling K Colin you're just
0:47:51.680,0:47:56.880
going out to have fun there's no money
0:47:55.000,0:47:58.400
to be made or nothing like that you're
0:47:56.880,0:48:00.000
just going out by yourself to have a
0:47:58.400,0:48:02.319
good time or getting with a couple
0:48:00.000,0:48:04.520
buddies or whatever to go call for
0:48:02.319,0:48:07.520
straight up recreational coyote hunting
0:48:04.520,0:48:09.720
would you rather daytime coyote call or
0:48:07.520,0:48:11.720
nighttime coyote call or does it even
0:48:09.720,0:48:13.280
matter long as you out in the
0:48:11.720,0:48:16.760
field
0:48:13.280,0:48:19.480
um two sides to that and I know you know
0:48:16.760,0:48:21.920
I was going to say that my passion has
0:48:19.480,0:48:25.559
always been daytime
0:48:21.920,0:48:29.640
100% but now that uh thermals coming
0:48:25.559,0:48:32.760
around I I love to do both yep but if if
0:48:29.640,0:48:35.280
I had to say one and I have to you know
0:48:32.760,0:48:39.000
clarify why I say the one it's because I
0:48:35.280,0:48:41.839
get to see a thousand more a th% more
0:48:39.000,0:48:43.480
detail when when you date call you get
0:48:41.839,0:48:46.040
to see everything that happens around
0:48:43.480,0:48:48.599
you yeah and thermal hunting you do to
0:48:46.040,0:48:50.000
some degree but it's so limited to only
0:48:48.599,0:48:53.079
what you're looking through the screen
0:48:50.000,0:48:55.480
of the scope is right and daytime
0:48:53.079,0:48:57.760
calling you get to experience and I
0:48:55.480,0:49:01.079
think learn way
0:48:57.760,0:49:03.000
more because being a good daytime caller
0:49:01.079,0:49:05.880
has made me an exceptional nighttime
0:49:03.000,0:49:07.960
caller by I still have to practice the
0:49:05.880,0:49:10.480
same three principles don't be seen
0:49:07.960,0:49:12.839
don't be heard and don't be smelled
0:49:10.480,0:49:16.400
awesome and I practice that whether I
0:49:12.839,0:49:19.799
night hunt or day hunt but 100% daytime
0:49:16.400,0:49:22.359
calling because there's no I mean just
0:49:19.799,0:49:25.079
the thrill of getting to see the coyotes
0:49:22.359,0:49:26.960
just roll in and you know when you're
0:49:25.079,0:49:28.880
looking through a thermal really kind of
0:49:26.960,0:49:30.000
looks like a coyote but you know it's
0:49:28.880,0:49:32.920
you know it's like you're looking
0:49:30.000,0:49:34.319
through a TV screen right I like I like
0:49:32.920,0:49:37.599
that
0:49:34.319,0:49:40.359
real just the real time that's going
0:49:37.599,0:49:42.359
on so so is the answer is the answer
0:49:40.359,0:49:46.880
daytime Colin just for going
0:49:42.359,0:49:49.640
out just it is it's 100% 100% just have
0:49:46.880,0:49:51.400
fun it's daytime calling I think I've
0:49:49.640,0:49:52.720
asked you about caliber stuff before but
0:49:51.400,0:49:55.799
I'm going to ask you again cuz I think
0:49:52.720,0:49:57.480
it's an awesome question this is if your
0:49:55.799,0:49:59.680
life depended on it have you ever heard
0:49:57.480,0:50:03.000
me ask that to anybody on here yes sir I
0:49:59.680,0:50:05.799
do if your life depended on it you know
0:50:03.000,0:50:08.000
you go hunting all the time and and your
0:50:05.799,0:50:10.200
pocketbook depends on it to get these
0:50:08.000,0:50:13.520
coyes collected on these places you do
0:50:10.200,0:50:16.040
uh Coy control work but say if I drop
0:50:13.520,0:50:21.440
you drop you off in a area you're not
0:50:16.040,0:50:24.520
familiar with I hand you an x24 or xwave
0:50:21.440,0:50:26.240
or you know whichever unit you like to
0:50:24.520,0:50:29.520
you like the Hellcat Pro I know you like
0:50:26.240,0:50:31.640
it unit some oh my God it's it's it's
0:50:29.520,0:50:33.599
one of my favorites right so if I hand
0:50:31.640,0:50:35.480
you one of those loaded up with loaded
0:50:33.599,0:50:38.119
up with you got the entire Fox Pro
0:50:35.480,0:50:41.599
Library you got the entire mfk Library
0:50:38.119,0:50:43.640
you're covered on sounds all right what
0:50:41.599,0:50:46.160
I'm going to do though is is you get to
0:50:43.640,0:50:48.520
pick a rifle or a shotgun or bow and
0:50:46.160,0:50:50.720
arrow or a slingshot or whatever you
0:50:48.520,0:50:52.520
want to take but you only get one
0:50:50.720,0:50:54.359
projectile to take with you you get one
0:50:52.520,0:50:56.760
bullet you get one Arrow you get one
0:50:54.359,0:51:01.880
rock you get one ball bearing whatever
0:50:56.760,0:51:03.839
one shot shell what what are is Stacy
0:51:01.880,0:51:05.359
Morris going to take if his life
0:51:03.839,0:51:07.319
depended on what I'm saying I'm going to
0:51:05.359,0:51:09.000
drop you off in this property like
0:51:07.319,0:51:10.880
you're going to drop out this helicopter
0:51:09.000,0:51:13.200
with a parachute and this is like
0:51:10.880,0:51:14.960
nothing around for like millions of
0:51:13.200,0:51:16.920
miles I mean I dropped you off on
0:51:14.960,0:51:20.119
another planet that's full of
0:51:16.920,0:51:22.040
coyotes your job is to call up a coyot
0:51:20.119,0:51:23.799
and get it killed with one bullet you've
0:51:22.040,0:51:25.760
got to make your shot count you've got
0:51:23.799,0:51:27.880
to kill the coyot you kill the coyote I
0:51:25.760,0:51:31.359
come flying back can pick you up take
0:51:27.880,0:51:34.000
you back to civilization what is your
0:51:31.359,0:51:36.359
choice to kill that cow what caliber
0:51:34.000,0:51:38.040
what shock gun gauge what type of
0:51:36.359,0:51:40.640
slingshot or crossbow whatever you're
0:51:38.040,0:51:42.920
taking tell me what you taking 22
0:51:40.640,0:51:46.119
creedmore without a hesitation without a
0:51:42.920,0:51:49.480
shout of a doubt it's the most it's the
0:51:46.119,0:51:51.640
best how would I say I've had the least
0:51:49.480,0:51:55.440
amount of Runners I've had the least
0:51:51.640,0:51:57.160
amount of wounded coyotes I've had
0:51:55.440,0:52:00.760
there's no shadow of a doubt it's 22
0:51:57.160,0:52:03.960
creedmore it's it's absolutely for me
0:52:00.760,0:52:07.319
and what I've experienced the best uh
0:52:03.960,0:52:11.640
coyote gun out there it's fast it's flat
0:52:07.319,0:52:13.799
and it shoots a long ways awesome and it
0:52:11.640,0:52:19.559
absolutely kills when it gets to where
0:52:13.799,0:52:21.200
it's going so not the 2118b or nope no
0:52:19.559,0:52:23.880
you know there's there's there's some
0:52:21.200,0:52:26.079
that's close and there's you know
0:52:23.880,0:52:29.799
people people ask me well why are you
0:52:26.079,0:52:31.960
shooting that six Creed more right right
0:52:29.799,0:52:34.319
that's just to change it change it up
0:52:31.960,0:52:35.720
but when I well what if I what if I was
0:52:34.319,0:52:38.280
going to drop you offer and I said you
0:52:35.720,0:52:42.760
got to use this six Creed are you
0:52:38.280,0:52:44.920
confident oh 100% yep 100% you know
0:52:42.760,0:52:47.440
you're G to laugh but my contest gun is
0:52:44.920,0:52:50.280
my sixth Creed okay but when I have to
0:52:47.440,0:52:52.799
put food on the table and I got to go to
0:52:50.280,0:52:54.559
that property we're talking about you
0:52:52.799,0:52:56.640
better reli there's only one rifle
0:52:54.559,0:52:58.640
sitting beside me it's my 22 Creed
0:52:56.640,0:53:00.119
awesome that's good stuff and you know I
0:52:58.640,0:53:01.799
ask this people there's no right or
0:53:00.119,0:53:04.000
wrong answers you want if you want to
0:53:01.799,0:53:05.839
tell me that you going to use a 22 short
0:53:04.000,0:53:07.559
and you're confident you going to drag
0:53:05.839,0:53:10.240
one to the to the helicopter that I'm
0:53:07.559,0:53:11.880
gonna come pick you up with P if it's
0:53:10.240,0:53:13.920
going to be a slingshot I you know
0:53:11.880,0:53:17.200
there's no right or wrong there's a
0:53:13.920,0:53:18.799
bunch of right answers right you know
0:53:17.200,0:53:20.200
but there no really right or wrong
0:53:18.799,0:53:21.799
that's whatever you're comfortable with
0:53:20.200,0:53:23.119
you know it just I think it speaks
0:53:21.799,0:53:26.240
volume especially if you talk to
0:53:23.119,0:53:29.720
somebody that that that makes money in
0:53:26.240,0:53:32.720
this sport or is a contest hunter or
0:53:29.720,0:53:34.640
does it for living on some some level
0:53:32.720,0:53:35.880
it's it's pretty interesting and pretty
0:53:34.640,0:53:37.319
straightforward what they're they're
0:53:35.880,0:53:38.799
going to take they're not going to hum
0:53:37.319,0:53:41.520
hul around about it they're not going to
0:53:38.799,0:53:43.520
talk about no subpar caliber or shotgun
0:53:41.520,0:53:44.680
gauge you know they ain't taking a
0:53:43.520,0:53:48.359
single shot
0:53:44.680,0:53:50.480
four10 you know yes sir you know and
0:53:48.359,0:53:52.839
it's you know a lot of people it's like
0:53:50.480,0:53:57.000
well you said you shoot a 22250 yep I
0:53:52.839,0:53:59.319
shot a 22250 a 22250 AC improved 22
0:53:57.000,0:54:01.160
cheetah that's a 308 bench rest neck
0:53:59.319,0:54:05.640
down to a 22 which
0:54:01.160,0:54:09.920
is crazy fast uh six acle 6 millimeters
0:54:05.640,0:54:12.799
six creedmore 22 creedmore uh 220 Swift
0:54:09.920,0:54:14.520
I've shot them all yep but there's only
0:54:12.799,0:54:18.920
keep coming back to the 22
0:54:14.520,0:54:21.839
Creed yes sir it's just it's just
0:54:18.920,0:54:23.520
nothing nothing if there's something
0:54:21.839,0:54:27.359
better that comes out I'm gon to go to
0:54:23.520,0:54:29.440
it but right now it's just an incredible
0:54:27.359,0:54:30.319
cartridge it's efficient doesn't take a
0:54:29.440,0:54:33.200
lot of
0:54:30.319,0:54:36.359
powder and just absolutely gets the job
0:54:33.200,0:54:38.839
done I got one more question for you
0:54:36.359,0:54:40.760
okay just because I want to hear it from
0:54:38.839,0:54:43.520
you same
0:54:40.760,0:54:45.480
scenario but you get to pick which Fox
0:54:43.520,0:54:48.000
Pro ecall unit you take now I know
0:54:45.480,0:54:50.200
you've ran about almost every single Fox
0:54:48.000,0:54:53.240
Pro eall out there and you've got yes
0:54:50.200,0:54:54.520
sir most of them which one you know I've
0:54:53.240,0:54:56.839
got them all sitting there I'm talking
0:54:54.520,0:55:00.839
about all the way back to
0:54:56.839,0:55:03.559
you know whatever anything from a 416b
0:55:00.839,0:55:07.079
to a Cato TOA 2 to
0:55:03.559,0:55:08.680
a you know Prairie Blaster to the x24
0:55:07.079,0:55:10.960
xway what what are you taking you can
0:55:08.680,0:55:12.359
pick every one each any one of them
0:55:10.960,0:55:13.200
which which unit you taking with you if
0:55:12.359,0:55:15.480
I'm going to drop you out that
0:55:13.200,0:55:19.119
helicopter with you 22 Creed and one
0:55:15.480,0:55:22.799
bullet you know I I used to think my uh
0:55:19.119,0:55:24.599
cs24 the original CS2 24a was the
0:55:22.799,0:55:29.760
baddest call on the
0:55:24.599,0:55:33.400
planet but the X 24 has surpassed it
0:55:29.760,0:55:36.799
x24 has killed more cows for me than any
0:55:33.400,0:55:39.039
caller ever made and I've been with guys
0:55:36.799,0:55:41.359
that run other callers and they just
0:55:39.039,0:55:43.079
they don't produce like this one does so
0:55:41.359,0:55:46.559
when I drop you that helicopter with
0:55:43.079,0:55:48.039
that fox Pro x24 and your 22 Creed I
0:55:46.559,0:55:48.920
might as well not get too far out
0:55:48.039,0:55:50.520
because you're going to be hollering at
0:55:48.920,0:55:54.799
me pretty quick to come get you back
0:55:50.520,0:55:56.920
right exactly right it just I I don't
0:55:54.799,0:55:59.760
you know some calls they sound great but
0:55:56.920,0:56:02.160
they just don't produce that one lives
0:55:59.760,0:56:04.240
up to all the hype
0:56:02.160,0:56:07.359
Barun it's
0:56:04.240,0:56:09.240
incredible it's incredible it's good
0:56:07.359,0:56:12.880
stuff I appreciate you coming on here
0:56:09.240,0:56:14.599
old buddy uh anytime anytime you got
0:56:12.880,0:56:17.559
anything you want to leave us
0:56:14.599,0:56:19.960
with h just you know for people that
0:56:17.559,0:56:22.440
want to get better you know you guys did
0:56:19.960,0:56:24.720
a b podcast the other day with you and
0:56:22.440,0:56:26.760
Big Al that was one in two parts and
0:56:24.720,0:56:30.119
potentially three parts yeah have a part
0:56:26.760,0:56:33.000
three coming up if if you want to get
0:56:30.119,0:56:34.599
better you got to listen to that podcast
0:56:33.000,0:56:36.160
because it's covering you know I was
0:56:34.599,0:56:37.599
sitting there thinking to myself well
0:56:36.160,0:56:40.079
what could I add to that what could I
0:56:37.599,0:56:44.799
add to that and you guys are pretty much
0:56:40.079,0:56:47.880
touch touching on everything that we do
0:56:44.799,0:56:50.920
the the guys that produce the the big
0:56:47.880,0:56:52.640
numbers and all that but we do it every
0:56:50.920,0:56:56.799
time and that's what I was going to say
0:56:52.640,0:56:59.799
is if I could teach anybody anything
0:56:56.799,0:57:01.799
learn their gun but three principles
0:56:59.799,0:57:05.160
don't be seen don't be heard and don't
0:57:01.799,0:57:08.160
be smelled and if that last
0:57:05.160,0:57:09.559
one we all play with some degree this
0:57:08.160,0:57:11.400
smelling part because we all know
0:57:09.559,0:57:15.240
coyotes are going downwind right they
0:57:11.400,0:57:18.520
all so make sure you know stand
0:57:15.240,0:57:20.440
selection is you got to get in there
0:57:18.520,0:57:23.079
without being seen got to get in there
0:57:20.440,0:57:25.760
without being heard and then be able to
0:57:23.079,0:57:28.039
shoot to the downwind side because a
0:57:25.760,0:57:31.119
coyote nine times out of 10 is going
0:57:28.039,0:57:34.440
down there and if you can either prevent
0:57:31.119,0:57:37.039
him from going down there or set up so
0:57:34.440,0:57:38.720
you can get a good shot you're gonna
0:57:37.039,0:57:40.160
you're gonna thank everybody who ever
0:57:38.720,0:57:42.920
taught you those three
0:57:40.160,0:57:44.839
principles good stuff Stacy appreciate
0:57:42.920,0:57:46.440
you coming on here old buddy and if you
0:57:44.839,0:57:47.640
and got got to tell everybody this
0:57:46.440,0:57:49.760
before we get off here because we just
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everyone enjoyed this episode we hope
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