FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Rich Gonzales talk everything coyote hunting and what has been working recently.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast I'm John
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Collins and today we have Fox Pro
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staffer Richie Gonzalez on the line
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Richie how you been doing buddy good
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John how about you I'm doing doing good
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and by the way which guys I've hunted
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with with Rich several different times
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but always I think last time I've hunted
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with him I say a several different times
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been a couple times but last time I I
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hunted with Rich me and Jeff Ryder was
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with him and I think we asked you said
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is it do we need to call you rich Richie
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Richard or some other kind of
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name I've been called a lot
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worse Rich Richie works fine when I was
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in the in the military they called me
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Speedy Gonzalez of course Al adopts that
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once in a while oh yeah I think I think
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Jeff called you that too he did he did
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so
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oh well looks like you uh looks like you
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been burning a coyotes up here lately
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man we've been trying to get after them
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um it's definitely always harder on High
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Press coyotes and public land yep and
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and we've just been grinding and one
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luckily we got really awesome spouses
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that understand why we do what we do and
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we just been hitting it you know they
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three weeks in a row we've got a
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sequence that I've been running and
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they've been the problem is they've been
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running us
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over wrong with that well when you got
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decoy dogs out there no one run no one
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runs the shotgun just safety of the dogs
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so when they're not stopping I mean you
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get what you get and and hope for the
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best and it's been working out but if we
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would have killed everything we've
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called in the pictures would be even
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more epic but right that's on us that's
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on us to shoot better too so I I it's
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sounds like a good problem to have you
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know kyot running over top of you I mean
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that's what that's what coyot Hunters
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dream of right there it is it's intense
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well Richie won't you uh won't you tell
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us a bit more about yourself you know
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I'll just go ahead start that off too
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Richie Richie is a fox Pro staffer uh
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he's been a staffer for several years
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now um he hunts in several different
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states for coyotes he also goes out runs
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a camera for Fox pro hunting TV travels
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all over the country he's filming myself
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he films out Morris a lot does a lot of
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stuff on his own as well but but re you
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want you go ahead and tell everybody a
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little bit more about yourself I will
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for sure so I uh started hunting archery
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hunting back in Vermont where I'm from
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I'm native Green Mountain boy back on
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the East Coast like you John and I
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joined the Air Force when I was 18 and
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started out the Vermont National Guard
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and then transferred to Utah fulltime so
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I've been here since
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02 I haven't I didn't start hunting
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coyotes till about 20
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2007 and the first stand my buddy took
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me on I mean it's he told me it's gonna
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it's probably going to ruin you and here
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we are 17 years later I am definitely
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ruined I take the bow out archery season
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once in a while but that's when the
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coyotes are on fire too so it's very
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it's very hard to choose but the coyotes
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tend to win every time so so that's kind
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of where I got my start was back in ' 07
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with a good friend of mine brell Roberts
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and and I hunted with him last week and
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we we put a pile up with his little boy
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and had had a good time
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and I saw I saw that y'all had the had
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the Next Generation out there with you
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we did and then you know two days two
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days ago we took Nick's boy out with us
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and and that's what it's all about it's
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getting them youngsters out off the
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phones in the in the wild and training
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them for what next you know and
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hopefully they all take on and and what
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we love to do because it's definitely a
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dying sport or tradition and we need all
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those kids to step up and yep no he's a
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fox for sure you know that's just just
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hunting in general U got to keep got to
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get to that next Generation involved and
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and and keep it going that's for sure uh
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but talk about these last couple weeks
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there you guys know you went out on I've
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seen you went out on two two short trips
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and they were extremely productive one
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out with your buddy Nick and then um I
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think it was just this past weekend I
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know you mentioned before you talked
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about hunting public land were both
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trips just out on public land yeah 95%
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of my hunts are on public land uhuh yep
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are they Utah Utah hunts or some Utah
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Idaho Nevada we're I live an hour from
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Idaho two hours from
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Nevada and 45 minutes from Wyoming so we
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really have go
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Arms Reach yeah we can we can go
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anywhere so it's nice because you know
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you get on your Maps then you check the
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weather and wherever it's not as windy
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is where we head right right what about
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uh Utah does Utah does Utah still have
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the the Bounty for KY like a $50 Bounty
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they do un unfortunately and I say that
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only
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because as a season coyot hunter that
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I've been doing it this long we've
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noticed you know it's kind of working
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against them because everybody thinks
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they can go out and make 250 bucks in a
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weekend and they go drive around with
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the call out the window and you know
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they just get super call shy and I think
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it's just made it harder for the guys
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that are pounding it like we do and but
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it makes us better callers too so right
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it it's kind of hard to hunt pressured
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coyotes with a bounty on them it gets
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hard oh I can I can I can definitely
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imagine I mean more hunting pressures
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put on them I mean that's just the
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that's just the end result and it
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doesn't matter if you're the one putting
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the pressure on there if you're or if
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you're having help so it definitely
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definitely makes a difference but uh
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about the Bounty how how do you collect
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it how do you prove that you kill a cow
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you have to take the whole carcass in
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you cutting tips of ears off you not how
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do they how do you keep up with that and
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how do they how do they pay on that so
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when it started out um what you did is
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they you just printed off a form you had
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to sign up and take a little course it
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kind of gave you a predator ID number
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and you print off the paperwork and if
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you shot a coyote you know you'd write
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down the coordinates T how you killed if
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it was trapped or shot um and then you
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would just make an appointment with the
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dwr DNR and you'd go turn them in and
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you'd have to bring in you'd scalp the
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ears on you know the skull cap and then
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you have to bring the lower jaw and you
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tie those all together and write down if
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that was a male or female and just keep
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them all organized and tagged and bring
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them in um at one point I think I
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brought in 15 twice and then after a
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certain amount you get taxed on it so it
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was like oh yeah yeah oh yeah like I'm
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doing the state of favor and then they
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going to tax you on it
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so it was kind of a a wash you know but
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by the time you throw in fuel and
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bullets and but you never win on that
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but and then they went to a new system
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where on that tax deal maybe you can
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holler a bid and he'll help you out on
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that I'm sure he's a ky hunting fan oh
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yeah I'm sure he's got Fox bro hunting
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TV you know yeah going on his Amazon
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account all the time but I'm sure but
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the Biden bucks they just don't stretch
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long enough for that fuel um so yeah
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about him that's the whole another
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podcast yeah this is a different that's
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a different type of podcast
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there yeah so but went to a different
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system on the Bounty where you have to
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download their app and they want to have
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you take a picture which geocaches your
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location and you know how that goes I
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don't feel comfortable with all the
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spots that I go out and Scout or you
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know if we're with Rusty or Nick or
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whoever we don't need the state guys
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coming in behind us when they got our
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location hey I know exactly what you're
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saying we you seen that you actually
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texted me there a few weeks ago I was at
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in Wyoming we was turkey hunting and I
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found we found a we found a dead head
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found a whole carcass you know of a
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pretty pretty nice bull elk oh that elk
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yeah yeah well there you can't just pick
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up at dead head and March out of there
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you got to get a you know I don't know
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what they call it a Interstate tag or or
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whatever it is yeah to collect that head
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carcass tag whatever so anyway we
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stopped by the fishing game office and
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brother walked in there and said hey you
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know we found this what we need to do
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about about getting it we just took a
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picture in you know or my brother did
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and they said well you got to call the
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you know your county game Ard or
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whatever I can't and don't quote me on
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all this because I can't remember all
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the exact de details but he did had to
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get in touch with the game or was a game
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Ard there and that was one of the things
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that send coordinates of where you found
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the the dead head or whatever the
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carcass and I Phil I said uh you know we
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killed turkeys in there that
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morning I told Phil I said you need to
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double check about this game Bo and see
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if he's a turkey hunter or not I don't
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want him finding our turkey hunting
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spot you know how competitive it is for
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I don't trust this guy with my turkey
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hunting
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coordinates sir I don't want him going
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there coling that's our spot exactly
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yeah so it went it went to that system
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and I
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just I haven't turned any in I just I'm
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just not about it I'll still hunt Utah
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and help the the me deer here and F and
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stuff but it's just not for me to to
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turn them in anymore it's just not worth
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my time and to deal with it and yeah a
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little bit more involved in than I
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thought I didn't realize you had to
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actually scalp the top of the head with
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including both ears and then take the
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bottom jaw as well um I've heard of like
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certain counties and other states that
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have they'll do a bounty I never heard
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of one that's 50 bucks see like
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something like 20 or 25 and you just cut
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like take a pair of ears in like you
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just cut the tip of the ears off or
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something so so it's kind of interesting
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yeah it's still 50 bucks and and don't
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get me wrong there's guys that go out
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into it and I just found for me it's I
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don't know I just didn't care to deal
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with the with the new coordinates thing
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and so well I mean it's uh you're not
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you're not coyote hunting that's not the
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reason you're coyote hunting anyway I
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mean exactly not saying I mean 50 Buck
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50 bucks is 50 bucks I mean I ain't
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saying that but you're not hunting
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coyotes to I mean you do it because you
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love it not because the state's paying
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you for each Co that's just a bonus so
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it is for
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sure so so public land public land
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hunting mostly and I know you do night
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hunting and day hunting which I know all
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those states don't allow the night
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hunting but uh right uh Utah allows n
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hunting is that correct they do in
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certain counties and it's mainly on
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private ground and you have to notify
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the sheriff that you're going to be
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discharging a firearm and I think they
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just like to know in case folks call in
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and say they heard something and um but
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yeah it's I think there's a few counties
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down south kind of where John bear lives
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where you can actually get a red light
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permit okay but it varies County to
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County state to state like Nevada
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there's only certain counties you can
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night hunt in um and you really got to
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know because because they got I think
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they got like 11 counties you can hunt
0:12:02.399,0:12:07.480
in and a few others that you can't so
0:12:05.360,0:12:10.560
you got to know the laws in every state
0:12:07.480,0:12:12.920
to go and like Wyoming I think they're
0:12:10.560,0:12:15.199
turning on their thermal stuff and like
0:12:12.920,0:12:19.240
their law is you got to have an IR
0:12:15.199,0:12:21.760
beacon on you that oh really I knew they
0:12:19.240,0:12:23.880
I knew they had a uh you know it's been
0:12:21.760,0:12:26.639
in for I don't know how long but a
0:12:23.880,0:12:29.519
little bit for you could night hunt on
0:12:26.639,0:12:31.920
private ground with land landowner per
0:12:29.519,0:12:34.160
but yeah recently they've opened it up
0:12:31.920,0:12:36.040
to and like I said don't quote me on
0:12:34.160,0:12:37.880
other stuff cuz I'm I don't know the
0:12:36.040,0:12:39.399
rigs for sure on it night hunting out
0:12:37.880,0:12:42.480
there but what is I think they're pretty
0:12:39.399,0:12:45.480
much open it up to what BLM and state
0:12:42.480,0:12:47.880
and everything now I think I think so I
0:12:45.480,0:12:49.040
haven't personally read anything yet you
0:12:47.880,0:12:51.639
know they I think they were going to
0:12:49.040,0:12:53.600
pass it at the first of the year but I
0:12:51.639,0:12:56.760
just haven't researched it and and
0:12:53.600,0:12:59.600
saying that I don't even know exactly if
0:12:56.760,0:13:02.720
it's actually in now or not know that
0:12:59.600,0:13:04.320
was the rumor coming up so right I know
0:13:02.720,0:13:06.320
Bernie called them and they said you're
0:13:04.320,0:13:09.760
going to have to have the IR beacon on
0:13:06.320,0:13:11.880
you and they're going to shut it down um
0:13:09.760,0:13:14.760
when big game hunt starts so basically
0:13:11.880,0:13:17.519
all of first season September one I
0:13:14.760,0:13:21.120
think is into December 31st you can't
0:13:17.519,0:13:23.480
night hunt right public ground is what I
0:13:21.120,0:13:26.199
was told so that M that makes total
0:13:23.480,0:13:28.639
sense cuz I've been out in like Wyoming
0:13:26.199,0:13:31.279
and uh going out there for you know the
0:13:28.639,0:13:32.639
call CS film Co hunts all that type of
0:13:31.279,0:13:34.839
stuff and you go out there in that
0:13:32.639,0:13:36.680
September October time frame and you're
0:13:34.839,0:13:39.000
plan on hunting some public stuff you
0:13:36.680,0:13:40.560
are going to see big game Hunters you're
0:13:39.000,0:13:42.000
either going to be seeing analou Hunters
0:13:40.560,0:13:44.240
Deer Hunters Elk Hunters you're going to
0:13:42.000,0:13:46.360
be seeing something so I it totally
0:13:44.240,0:13:48.199
makes sense understand and there's a
0:13:46.360,0:13:49.920
bunch of them out there bunch of hunters
0:13:48.199,0:13:52.639
go to Wyoming big
0:13:49.920,0:13:54.480
destination we call it the orange Army
0:13:52.639,0:13:56.279
the orange Army I tell you I don't know
0:13:54.480,0:13:59.079
what it is
0:13:56.279,0:14:01.279
and if you go out there like in o
0:13:59.079,0:14:03.560
October especially like end of September
0:14:01.279,0:14:05.959
early October you go k calling on some
0:14:03.560,0:14:07.759
of this BLM stuff you're going to see a
0:14:05.959,0:14:09.160
lot of that orange vest out there and
0:14:07.759,0:14:10.839
you when you go byy their vehicles when
0:14:09.160,0:14:12.279
you driving those like two tracks or out
0:14:10.839,0:14:14.279
on the county roads or whatever going
0:14:12.279,0:14:17.000
through it seems like almost every one
0:14:14.279,0:14:19.279
of them is from westconsin I always tell
0:14:17.000,0:14:22.079
say how does how did all these people
0:14:19.279,0:14:24.440
from Wisconsin find these these areas
0:14:22.079,0:14:26.639
what what is it about Wisconsin coming
0:14:24.440,0:14:28.240
to Wyoming and analou hunting I mean
0:14:26.639,0:14:29.880
I'll see more people from Wisconsin
0:14:28.240,0:14:33.199
analou hunting I will people from
0:14:29.880,0:14:34.639
Wyoming yep yep we got a we got a elk
0:14:33.199,0:14:36.639
hunting spot here that's over the
0:14:34.639,0:14:38.560
counter and there's a family that comes
0:14:36.639,0:14:40.839
from Illinois every year and they bring
0:14:38.560,0:14:42.880
I always see the Illinois Bunch huh it
0:14:40.839,0:14:45.639
was four people at first and then it
0:14:42.880,0:14:48.440
turned into like I swear it was 30 like
0:14:45.639,0:14:51.680
four big toy haulers full of people and
0:14:48.440,0:14:54.440
it's just it's getting crazy like they
0:14:51.680,0:14:56.279
you know sometimes it seems aggravating
0:14:54.440,0:14:58.120
but that's good you know we was talking
0:14:56.279,0:15:01.120
about just a minute ago about how it's
0:14:58.120,0:15:03.600
kind of uh hunting hunting in general is
0:15:01.120,0:15:05.800
kind of a dying sport well it's good to
0:15:03.600,0:15:07.240
see guys you know people traveling and
0:15:05.800,0:15:09.519
going and going to other states and
0:15:07.240,0:15:11.440
enjoying Outdoors so I I think it's
0:15:09.519,0:15:12.839
sometimes it can be like man this is my
0:15:11.440,0:15:14.240
spot what are you doing here get out of
0:15:12.839,0:15:15.959
here you know you might be thinking in
0:15:14.240,0:15:17.360
your head but it's actually good it's
0:15:15.959,0:15:20.240
it's good to see people getting out
0:15:17.360,0:15:24.120
enjoying enjoying Outdoors but hey let's
0:15:20.240,0:15:25.959
get back right right let's uh let's get
0:15:24.120,0:15:28.759
right back to the get back into the
0:15:25.959,0:15:29.920
coyote call and stuff there you know I
0:15:28.759,0:15:31.519
know you've been hunting quite a bit
0:15:29.920,0:15:33.279
lately and I know you do hunt in the
0:15:31.519,0:15:36.040
winter but I just got to ask you I mean
0:15:33.279,0:15:38.040
are you a are you a year round coyote
0:15:36.040,0:15:40.000
caller Richie I mean is there any times
0:15:38.040,0:15:41.800
that you like say you just take off like
0:15:40.000,0:15:44.519
a self-imposed this is you know I'm
0:15:41.800,0:15:46.199
taking off this month a Coy calling or
0:15:44.519,0:15:50.600
season or water are you pretty much just
0:15:46.199,0:15:53.680
year round I am year round I I get Cabin
0:15:50.600,0:15:57.040
Fever really quick so right 3 to five
0:15:53.680,0:15:58.800
days in in the house and my wife knows
0:15:57.040,0:16:00.240
I'm hitting the Sage Brush at some point
0:15:58.800,0:16:05.720
that
0:16:00.240,0:16:08.279
and it's 365 day and night um I never
0:16:05.720,0:16:10.680
really thought I'd be a thermal Hunter
0:16:08.279,0:16:12.759
and and it's just another tool in the
0:16:10.680,0:16:14.959
shed if the day Colin's not good the
0:16:12.759,0:16:16.240
thermal one seems to be and vice versa
0:16:14.959,0:16:19.000
so
0:16:16.240,0:16:22.639
right you guys always say you know you
0:16:19.000,0:16:25.120
hunt when you can and the cost of fuel
0:16:22.639,0:16:26.560
to get out there alone you don't want to
0:16:25.120,0:16:28.560
turn around and come back when the Sun
0:16:26.560,0:16:32.480
goes down so we we've actually lately
0:16:28.560,0:16:34.440
been getting off work driving out get a
0:16:32.480,0:16:37.720
couple night or day stands in before the
0:16:34.440,0:16:39.800
sun drops cutie mounts on the thermal
0:16:37.720,0:16:41.880
clip them on and go you know till the
0:16:39.800,0:16:44.759
sun comes up and and we hunt until it
0:16:41.880,0:16:46.639
gets hot and then come back or sometimes
0:16:44.759,0:16:47.920
we try to do a two three dayer you know
0:16:46.639,0:16:49.519
those are the most productive because
0:16:47.920,0:16:52.399
there's always a window of time that we
0:16:49.519,0:16:54.240
found in about three days there's an
0:16:52.399,0:16:58.120
eight hour window where it seems like
0:16:54.240,0:16:59.480
they just they turn on and there's no
0:16:58.120,0:17:01.959
Rhyme or Reason
0:16:59.480,0:17:05.000
but it seems like when they're on it's
0:17:01.959,0:17:07.160
six to eight hours and it's every stand
0:17:05.000,0:17:08.880
right in a three-day period so right and
0:17:07.160,0:17:11.760
that can go whether it's daytime or
0:17:08.880,0:17:14.520
nighttime is what you're saying
0:17:11.760,0:17:18.360
right so that's kind of what that's what
0:17:14.520,0:17:20.880
brings Richie out at in the dark hours
0:17:18.360,0:17:23.240
is if the coyotes are calling Richie
0:17:20.880,0:17:26.480
Richie wants to be out there with them
0:17:23.240,0:17:29.039
you ain't lying okay it's one of those
0:17:26.480,0:17:32.440
things where you get an hour of sleep in
0:17:29.039,0:17:35.600
truck on some of trips and you know I
0:17:32.440,0:17:38.520
think me and Rusty did a 48 hour contest
0:17:35.600,0:17:40.720
that was out of Oregon my gosh years ago
0:17:38.520,0:17:44.520
and we slept like two and a half hours
0:17:40.720,0:17:46.200
in 48 hours oh my gosh and we killed 22
0:17:44.520,0:17:50.240
coyotes it was the most CS ever brought
0:17:46.200,0:17:53.080
into this this contest and I mean it was
0:17:50.240,0:17:55.039
intense and we were exhausted good grief
0:17:53.080,0:17:58.440
I guarantee don't ever be asking John
0:17:55.039,0:18:00.799
Collins to go do that 48 hours straight
0:17:58.440,0:18:02.400
it was brutal but they were and we were
0:18:00.799,0:18:04.440
it was in the rain and they were calling
0:18:02.400,0:18:06.159
awesome well it sounds like it 22 is
0:18:04.440,0:18:08.280
pretty good number I mean you'd have to
0:18:06.159,0:18:11.000
like say i' gonna be shooting like 82
0:18:08.280,0:18:13.240
before I'd even consider it but it's I'm
0:18:11.000,0:18:14.919
just I'm iy I I'll be the first one to
0:18:13.240,0:18:16.440
minute I'm a little lazy sometimes right
0:18:14.919,0:18:18.400
now I'm feeling lazy I just got back
0:18:16.440,0:18:21.960
from Kansas and I'm
0:18:18.400,0:18:26.240
tired I bet that's a clip that's a long
0:18:21.960,0:18:28.240
trip but that uh that 40 48 hours that
0:18:26.240,0:18:29.799
is a that is a grind right there and
0:18:28.240,0:18:32.640
sounds like y hit it just right to kill
0:18:29.799,0:18:34.960
22 coyotes it's pretty it's pretty good
0:18:32.640,0:18:37.400
it was awesome we've had some really
0:18:34.960,0:18:41.440
good hunts together hey and speaking of
0:18:37.400,0:18:44.880
like um like those 48 hour deals or just
0:18:41.440,0:18:46.679
comparing like day versus night U what
0:18:44.880,0:18:48.640
are you doing what is you are do you
0:18:46.679,0:18:52.159
have any differences in like your stand
0:18:48.640,0:18:54.880
set up if you're calling uh day versus
0:18:52.159,0:18:56.679
night and and one thing to mention on
0:18:54.880,0:18:59.320
this this podcast just to remind
0:18:56.679,0:19:02.400
everybody Richie is mainly a West Hunter
0:18:59.320,0:19:04.200
you know he's hunting Utah Wyoming Idaho
0:19:02.400,0:19:06.240
Nevada those type of States you're
0:19:04.200,0:19:08.200
mainly hunting like I know you hunt some
0:19:06.240,0:19:09.880
private Farm country type stuff but
0:19:08.200,0:19:11.720
you're hunting a lot of Sage Brush
0:19:09.880,0:19:14.600
Country like High Desert type stuff and
0:19:11.720,0:19:16.320
everything like that so um is there any
0:19:14.600,0:19:19.400
difference or and what are the
0:19:16.320,0:19:21.760
differences in your daytime stand set up
0:19:19.400,0:19:23.080
stuff versus nighttime you know daytime
0:19:21.760,0:19:24.640
versus nighttime what are you doing
0:19:23.080,0:19:26.360
different besides the obvious with the
0:19:24.640,0:19:29.320
thermal at
0:19:26.360,0:19:32.159
night that's good question so
0:19:29.320,0:19:34.000
in the daytime I prefer you know the
0:19:32.159,0:19:37.000
thicker patches of stuff a little bit
0:19:34.000,0:19:39.039
Rolling Hills mixed with yellow grass
0:19:37.000,0:19:40.480
and I don't really care if it's too
0:19:39.039,0:19:43.039
thick you know we we'll get in there
0:19:40.480,0:19:45.640
with the shotguns if we have to in the
0:19:43.039,0:19:48.480
night time we prefer a little more open
0:19:45.640,0:19:50.120
ground so you can see what's coming um
0:19:48.480,0:19:53.559
daytime I'll keep the call a little
0:19:50.120,0:19:57.960
further from me you know 30 to 60 yards
0:19:53.559,0:20:00.320
at night it's still up wind and it's
0:19:57.960,0:20:04.240
definitely in site you know sometimes
0:20:00.320,0:20:05.600
it's right there at feet depending on
0:20:04.240,0:20:09.000
the layout of the ground and how the
0:20:05.600,0:20:12.159
winds blowing right and and the big
0:20:09.000,0:20:14.919
major difference that I prefer or have
0:20:12.159,0:20:16.840
noticed is I don't need to call as loud
0:20:14.919,0:20:19.799
at night your sound carries a lot
0:20:16.840,0:20:23.440
further so I almost cut my volume down
0:20:19.799,0:20:26.760
in half at night oh really that's that's
0:20:23.440,0:20:28.799
that's that's a nice little nugget there
0:20:26.760,0:20:32.000
yeah it's very easy to blow them out
0:20:28.799,0:20:35.799
it's you know if you go start out at
0:20:32.000,0:20:41.480
32 you know I always just cut it down at
0:20:35.799,0:20:44.320
night and unless now this is like unless
0:20:41.480,0:20:46.960
the stands are always the same that
0:20:44.320,0:20:48.200
night if we're starting out at 25 the
0:20:46.960,0:20:50.640
volume or
0:20:48.200,0:20:53.159
26 and they're coming I'm not changing
0:20:50.640,0:20:55.080
the thing oh right yeah if the formula
0:20:53.159,0:20:58.039
is working keep running with it right
0:20:55.080,0:20:59.760
yeah right so until you find that recipe
0:20:58.039,0:21:03.000
that's working for the day and it can
0:20:59.760,0:21:07.480
change very quickly just keep running it
0:21:03.000,0:21:11.640
don't change it uh any differences in um
0:21:07.480,0:21:13.960
rifle setup or or anything like that day
0:21:11.640,0:21:17.080
versus night like where you
0:21:13.960,0:21:19.640
run you know AR platform all the time I
0:21:17.080,0:21:21.200
know you run both bolt guns and AR you
0:21:19.640,0:21:23.360
do you run a AR at night and a Bool gun
0:21:21.200,0:21:27.159
during the day or is there is there any
0:21:23.360,0:21:29.000
difference for you with that I never I
0:21:27.159,0:21:35.120
don't prefer to run a bolt gun night I
0:21:29.000,0:21:37.960
run AR10 um six Creed more and we run QD
0:21:35.120,0:21:39.559
mounts on our day Scopes and thermals
0:21:37.960,0:21:41.000
and if you put them in the same slots
0:21:39.559,0:21:43.200
and drop them in and clip them keep
0:21:41.000,0:21:45.799
everything the same it's nine times out
0:21:43.200,0:21:48.440
of 10 they stay zeroed and And We Just
0:21:45.799,0:21:50.640
Go With It um I'd be that one time out
0:21:48.440,0:21:50.640
of
0:21:51.159,0:21:59.039
10 with a triple rolling
0:21:54.640,0:22:02.080
in with the difference is um what was I
0:21:59.039,0:22:02.080
gonna say
0:22:02.200,0:22:07.960
uh I like running the AR at night
0:22:04.919,0:22:09.720
because the thermal you can stay on them
0:22:07.960,0:22:12.159
if you have multiples coming
0:22:09.720,0:22:15.080
in another round and your eyes coming
0:22:12.159,0:22:17.240
out of the scope yep and it's just
0:22:15.080,0:22:20.039
faster you know to get back on the
0:22:17.240,0:22:21.760
second one or third one or a follow-up
0:22:20.039,0:22:25.559
shot if you whiff it you know that
0:22:21.760,0:22:28.000
happens so when when you're on your day
0:22:25.559,0:22:30.159
stands versus nightstands I mean I'm
0:22:28.000,0:22:31.799
assuming day stands you're you're almost
0:22:30.159,0:22:33.120
always sitting directly on the ground
0:22:31.799,0:22:34.320
and then on your night stands do you
0:22:33.120,0:22:36.559
still sit on the ground or you all
0:22:34.320,0:22:38.240
standing you know up on elevated tripods
0:22:36.559,0:22:39.799
or what's the difference here or is
0:22:38.240,0:22:41.159
there any difference or does it depend
0:22:39.799,0:22:43.799
on lay of the
0:22:41.159,0:22:46.039
ground when in day hunting we usually
0:22:43.799,0:22:49.600
sit on the ground in in chairs that are
0:22:46.039,0:22:53.080
on the ground and then depending on the
0:22:49.600,0:22:54.919
Moonlight um sometimes we will sit at
0:22:53.080,0:22:57.360
night you know we'll go a chair and get
0:22:54.919,0:22:59.720
the fat boy tripods out and yep you know
0:22:57.360,0:23:03.400
bring them down but I like to
0:22:59.720,0:23:05.799
stand as much as I can but even at night
0:23:03.400,0:23:08.520
um even if it's pitch black I still
0:23:05.799,0:23:10.600
prefer a back drop behind me right right
0:23:08.520,0:23:13.120
bre up my Silhouette a lot of people
0:23:10.600,0:23:15.840
don't think it matters I think if I can
0:23:13.120,0:23:17.600
get any advantage that I can I'll try it
0:23:15.840,0:23:20.600
you know you got guys out there not
0:23:17.600,0:23:22.799
wearing camo cool if if they're killing
0:23:20.600,0:23:25.640
them cool but I want every advantage
0:23:22.799,0:23:28.120
against a coyo they're they're smart
0:23:25.640,0:23:29.559
they adapt to everything you do and I
0:23:28.120,0:23:31.279
think you thermal hunting is going to
0:23:29.559,0:23:33.400
get harder you know what I mean oh
0:23:31.279,0:23:36.200
definitely definitely well I I wanted to
0:23:33.400,0:23:37.880
ask you cuz I I just wondered because
0:23:36.200,0:23:40.679
you know probably over 90% of the nigh
0:23:37.880,0:23:42.520
Hunters I know they they're standing you
0:23:40.679,0:23:44.480
know standing on elevated tripods just
0:23:42.520,0:23:45.919
standing out wherever I shouldn't say
0:23:44.480,0:23:48.880
wherever but you know they're they're
0:23:45.919,0:23:51.080
standing on these nightstands and I
0:23:48.880,0:23:52.840
talked to Jeremy nickel not too long ago
0:23:51.080,0:23:54.720
and he he said you know hey I most time
0:23:52.840,0:23:56.159
I'm sitting you know I'm sitting daytime
0:23:54.720,0:23:57.559
I'm sitting night time that's what I
0:23:56.159,0:24:00.159
like to do and I thought that was pretty
0:23:57.559,0:24:01.679
interesting him talk about that so
0:24:00.159,0:24:04.360
that's why I wanted to ask you that see
0:24:01.679,0:24:06.000
what your take was on it right and I
0:24:04.360,0:24:08.559
don't know what kind of ground he's
0:24:06.000,0:24:12.520
hunting but we hunt a lot of thick Sage
0:24:08.559,0:24:15.640
Brush yeah so it's really hard to see at
0:24:12.520,0:24:17.960
night I'm sitting down but if we have to
0:24:15.640,0:24:21.640
we will it's we will do anything it
0:24:17.960,0:24:23.400
takes to get them get them handled when
0:24:21.640,0:24:25.720
when you you started out day hunting
0:24:23.400,0:24:28.399
correct I mean absolutely yep day
0:24:25.720,0:24:30.200
hunting was there uh what was the trans
0:24:28.399,0:24:32.240
transition like from you going from
0:24:30.200,0:24:34.200
daytime hunting to nighttime hunting did
0:24:32.240,0:24:35.880
you have a rough transition or when you
0:24:34.200,0:24:37.520
just switched over to nighttime hunting
0:24:35.880,0:24:39.559
you just started slaughtering them or
0:24:37.520,0:24:41.640
was it just the same either way or or
0:24:39.559,0:24:44.960
did you have any Growing Pains I guess
0:24:41.640,0:24:48.159
would be the be the question there is
0:24:44.960,0:24:51.159
definitely a lot of um a learning curve
0:24:48.159,0:24:52.880
to it um there's guys back East like you
0:24:51.159,0:24:55.320
know Kyle crickenberger and those guys
0:24:52.880,0:24:57.600
hey I just I just talked to Kyle
0:24:55.320,0:25:01.480
crickenberger 10 minutes before I called
0:24:57.600,0:25:04.399
you buddy they make it look easy yeah
0:25:01.480,0:25:08.080
well those boys know what's going on and
0:25:04.399,0:25:10.360
he's arguably Kyle crickenberger and his
0:25:08.080,0:25:13.919
partners that he's done his contest with
0:25:10.360,0:25:16.840
over the years Benton Bowman you know
0:25:13.919,0:25:19.600
Jamie Terry Dayton far all those guys I
0:25:16.840,0:25:23.000
mean you're arguably talking about the
0:25:19.600,0:25:25.159
best to ever do it you know um not to
0:25:23.000,0:25:28.480
get on a tangent here
0:25:25.159,0:25:30.440
but Kyle is worth mentioning Kyle CRI
0:25:28.480,0:25:32.279
ber you know he's there a few years ago
0:25:30.440,0:25:34.279
they did the US Predator challenge where
0:25:32.279,0:25:35.919
you had to hunt three different legs
0:25:34.279,0:25:38.159
it's total different in like the world
0:25:35.919,0:25:41.559
you know everybody thinks worlds when it
0:25:38.159,0:25:43.720
comes to Coy hunting which was a premier
0:25:41.559,0:25:45.919
hunting contest calling contest for
0:25:43.720,0:25:48.480
years uh but it's still just a western
0:25:45.919,0:25:50.760
hunting contest but this Us Predator
0:25:48.480,0:25:53.760
challenge you had to hunt the big
0:25:50.760,0:25:55.399
Eastern which was the Eastern leg for uh
0:25:53.760,0:25:57.120
for coyes and then you had to hunt a
0:25:55.399,0:25:59.679
Midwestern leg and then you had to hunt
0:25:57.120,0:26:01.840
a western contest as well and it went on
0:25:59.679,0:26:04.360
a point system but anyway only did it
0:26:01.840,0:26:06.640
that one year but um Kyle crickenberger
0:26:04.360,0:26:08.960
and bitt Bowman's the ones that won that
0:26:06.640,0:26:11.360
that's pretty impressive that's that was
0:26:08.960,0:26:13.360
how Morris's contest I hope he put it on
0:26:11.360,0:26:15.760
again sometime that was really intense
0:26:13.360,0:26:17.440
and cool it was great idea I mean that's
0:26:15.760,0:26:19.720
when you know what kind of separates the
0:26:17.440,0:26:21.880
men from the boys so to speak you know
0:26:19.720,0:26:24.640
you got these guys that only hunt night
0:26:21.880,0:26:26.480
in the East and you got guys only hunt
0:26:24.640,0:26:29.240
daytime in the west and you know
0:26:26.480,0:26:31.000
whatever else or vice versa well if you
0:26:29.240,0:26:35.320
want to you know if you want to do that
0:26:31.000,0:26:36.919
hunt and in place or win it you going
0:26:35.320,0:26:38.640
have do it all it's not just Eastern
0:26:36.919,0:26:40.600
hunting it's not just m Western hunting
0:26:38.640,0:26:42.360
it's not just Western hunting you do all
0:26:40.600,0:26:44.279
three legs and you better do good in all
0:26:42.360,0:26:46.520
three legs if you want to win it yeah
0:26:44.279,0:26:49.880
props to those guys they they definitely
0:26:46.520,0:26:51.559
got that night game down and and I like
0:26:49.880,0:26:52.960
I said there is a learning curve to it
0:26:51.559,0:26:55.360
and it it's probably a little different
0:26:52.960,0:26:58.480
back in East and it is out here in the
0:26:55.360,0:27:01.240
west I'm sure I'm sure but it did it
0:26:58.480,0:27:04.320
took me I've only been night hunting for
0:27:01.240,0:27:06.240
probably I'll say six years I got
0:27:04.320,0:27:08.399
invited to go do the Nevada state
0:27:06.240,0:27:10.720
24-hour hunt with some friends they had
0:27:08.399,0:27:13.600
a spot open and they let me borrow a
0:27:10.720,0:27:17.000
thermal and I'm not even joking
0:27:13.600,0:27:19.520
you in a month I had to have a thermal
0:27:17.000,0:27:22.120
right right it just like okay I don't
0:27:19.520,0:27:24.760
have to go to bed I can still H and that
0:27:22.120,0:27:29.559
was the difference and it did I had to
0:27:24.760,0:27:31.720
go out and you so onx and hands down is
0:27:29.559,0:27:35.360
a is a lifesaver when it comes to night
0:27:31.720,0:27:37.720
hunting um even when I'm just scouting
0:27:35.360,0:27:39.600
day hunting if I see a spot that's wide
0:27:37.720,0:27:42.320
open I'm dropping a waypoint there and
0:27:39.600,0:27:45.440
I'm changing the color you know on my on
0:27:42.320,0:27:49.200
my PIN to to dark to to signify hey this
0:27:45.440,0:27:52.519
probably good nightstand so yeah use
0:27:49.200,0:27:55.159
your time out there for day or night and
0:27:52.519,0:27:57.559
just try to get as much Recon done that
0:27:55.159,0:27:59.559
you can for yourself and that's paid off
0:27:57.559,0:28:01.200
for me as part of learning is just
0:27:59.559,0:28:05.120
dropping pins for a ground and what
0:28:01.200,0:28:08.039
looks good at night and um yeah just in
0:28:05.120,0:28:09.760
gear you know which tripod is better
0:28:08.039,0:28:12.279
than what what's more
0:28:09.760,0:28:13.840
sturdy how to get in the truck even just
0:28:12.279,0:28:15.880
the layout of your truck of how you
0:28:13.840,0:28:18.200
stack gear you know how to get
0:28:15.880,0:28:21.399
consistently faster and more stands in
0:28:18.200,0:28:24.159
it all matters right so yeah I'm
0:28:21.399,0:28:26.919
starting to get consistent but I learn
0:28:24.159,0:28:28.880
every time I go out right right day day
0:28:26.919,0:28:31.640
or night you'll never learn at all
0:28:28.880,0:28:34.000
right when you uh when you switched over
0:28:31.640,0:28:37.760
T night hunting did you when you started
0:28:34.000,0:28:40.000
calling um did you I guess the question
0:28:37.760,0:28:42.960
I'm looking for here trying to ask you
0:28:40.000,0:28:44.480
is did you have trouble calling CS or
0:28:42.960,0:28:46.679
did you just start calling them in right
0:28:44.480,0:28:49.200
off the bat and you know I guess I'm
0:28:46.679,0:28:52.000
wondering cuz I've I've not done much of
0:28:49.200,0:28:54.000
it I have done a little bit just filming
0:28:52.000,0:28:56.640
and stuff which we've mentioned on here
0:28:54.000,0:28:58.320
before but you know I hear people talk
0:28:56.640,0:29:00.559
about they when they first switched over
0:28:58.320,0:29:02.440
they had struggle with the shooting part
0:29:00.559,0:29:04.679
you know they missed some Coy or they
0:29:02.440,0:29:07.039
had trouble figuring out how to how to
0:29:04.679,0:29:08.320
set a stand up how far to set a call out
0:29:07.039,0:29:10.039
and all that type of stuff you know they
0:29:08.320,0:29:11.799
might call coyotes in but they just
0:29:10.039,0:29:13.080
couldn't get close the deal because it
0:29:11.799,0:29:15.960
was just different from what they were
0:29:13.080,0:29:18.159
trying to do when they were mainly day
0:29:15.960,0:29:21.399
hunting I think the biggest difference
0:29:18.159,0:29:23.640
is at night your depth perceptions very
0:29:21.399,0:29:26.760
different and you're you're using a
0:29:23.640,0:29:28.679
digital call and a digital reticle and
0:29:26.760,0:29:31.120
stuff so judging
0:29:28.679,0:29:32.679
distance is very different than looking
0:29:31.120,0:29:34.720
through a day scope so that was one of
0:29:32.679,0:29:37.399
my bigger learning curves you know oh
0:29:34.720,0:29:38.840
that KY looks like he's at 100 yards you
0:29:37.399,0:29:40.440
pull the tri put it on him and pull the
0:29:38.840,0:29:45.640
trigger and you're like oh no that was
0:29:40.440,0:29:47.919
like 320 yeah you know so it wasn't easy
0:29:45.640,0:29:50.159
you know you don't just go out there and
0:29:47.919,0:29:53.120
turn the call on it and come running in
0:29:50.159,0:29:55.679
right well I see reason I ask it cuz I
0:29:53.120,0:29:57.679
see people around home and you know they
0:29:55.679,0:29:59.000
might be struggled day hunting and they
0:29:57.679,0:30:01.440
think if if they can just go get a
0:29:59.000,0:30:03.039
thermal that they'll just start killing
0:30:01.440,0:30:05.000
you know they might struggle to kill one
0:30:03.039,0:30:06.919
every two weeks which nothing wrong with
0:30:05.000,0:30:09.840
that I mean that's just how it is
0:30:06.919,0:30:11.320
sometimes but they some some sometimes
0:30:09.840,0:30:13.080
it seems like some people have that
0:30:11.320,0:30:14.360
mentality that they can just switch up
0:30:13.080,0:30:16.360
go get them a thermal then all a sudden
0:30:14.360,0:30:19.279
they're gonna start killing 20 every
0:30:16.360,0:30:21.919
week or two weeks it's easier it's not
0:30:19.279,0:30:23.519
easier it's just different right right
0:30:21.919,0:30:26.039
there's there's stuff you shouldn't do
0:30:23.519,0:30:28.799
and there's stuff that works and
0:30:26.039,0:30:30.440
honestly at night yes you can get away
0:30:28.799,0:30:33.919
with a little more things than you can
0:30:30.440,0:30:35.279
in the day as far as movement um talking
0:30:33.919,0:30:37.039
a little bit I mean you have to
0:30:35.279,0:30:39.080
communicate at night just to keep your
0:30:37.039,0:30:43.000
people safe
0:30:39.080,0:30:46.600
yep so what about the calling style ver
0:30:43.000,0:30:48.640
day versus night is there any change up
0:30:46.600,0:30:51.039
from that like you know say if you're on
0:30:48.640,0:30:53.200
one of those 48 hour hunts and it's
0:30:51.039,0:30:54.679
daylight hours and you've been calling
0:30:53.200,0:30:56.360
Coes and stuff and y'all been doing
0:30:54.679,0:30:58.960
pretty good fairly consistent and then
0:30:56.360,0:31:00.760
the not then the Sun drops and the moon
0:30:58.960,0:31:03.159
starts to come up does your calling
0:31:00.760,0:31:04.960
style as far as sequence sounds and
0:31:03.159,0:31:07.559
length of stand all that type of stuff
0:31:04.960,0:31:08.960
does it change just because it's darker
0:31:07.559,0:31:10.960
do you pretty much keep it the same
0:31:08.960,0:31:12.760
especially if the cows have been coming
0:31:10.960,0:31:14.960
during the day if they've been coming if
0:31:12.760,0:31:17.159
they've coming do not change a thing if
0:31:14.960,0:31:18.880
you go three to five stands and you
0:31:17.159,0:31:21.600
don't get nothing then you probably need
0:31:18.880,0:31:23.000
to start looking for a new recipe right
0:31:21.600,0:31:25.399
and the only difference like I said
0:31:23.000,0:31:28.120
earlier is at night I'll just drop my
0:31:25.399,0:31:30.639
volume down almost half and and see how
0:31:28.120,0:31:32.440
goes yep and that's been working for me
0:31:30.639,0:31:34.320
so pretty much just you change your
0:31:32.440,0:31:36.600
volume you won't actually change the
0:31:34.320,0:31:38.200
type of sounds or sequences or length of
0:31:36.600,0:31:41.279
stand or nothing like that it's just
0:31:38.200,0:31:43.440
mainly your volume it's you're changing
0:31:41.279,0:31:44.960
yep unless they're not coming then you
0:31:43.440,0:31:48.600
know I'll bump it
0:31:44.960,0:31:50.679
up four notches and hit another sound
0:31:48.600,0:31:52.440
and just fill it out and it depends on
0:31:50.679,0:31:54.760
the terrain if it's thicker brush
0:31:52.440,0:31:56.720
definitely go softer if it's wide open
0:31:54.760,0:31:59.360
country I don't mind going a little
0:31:56.720,0:32:01.200
louder right right
0:31:59.360,0:32:03.080
pretty good stuff well your your recent
0:32:01.200,0:32:05.279
KY hunts they've been they were daytime
0:32:03.080,0:32:07.840
hunts right yall was out decoy dogs and
0:32:05.279,0:32:09.399
Stu like that they've been mixed okay
0:32:07.840,0:32:10.960
mixed all right well tell us tell us
0:32:09.399,0:32:12.600
about your last two trips I know both of
0:32:10.960,0:32:14.519
them been pretty successful I mean how
0:32:12.600,0:32:16.600
many tell us about the first trip you
0:32:14.519,0:32:18.159
had there a couple weeks ago how many
0:32:16.600,0:32:20.440
how many coyes did y'all kill how many
0:32:18.159,0:32:25.320
coyes y'all put down all that type of
0:32:20.440,0:32:27.240
stuff okay so uh the last decent pile
0:32:25.320,0:32:28.639
was with Bernie and I think that was on
0:32:27.240,0:32:31.720
Wednesday
0:32:28.639,0:32:33.240
we went out and it was a get out there
0:32:31.720,0:32:36.919
clip our thermals on because it was
0:32:33.240,0:32:38.639
already dark and start hunting um the
0:32:36.919,0:32:39.760
sequence we've been running I'll give it
0:32:38.639,0:32:43.440
to you because
0:32:39.760,0:32:46.720
it's secr I want everybody to try it and
0:32:43.440,0:32:49.120
see all your secrets there's no secrets
0:32:46.720,0:32:51.320
that's the thing is it it changes so
0:32:49.120,0:32:53.880
it's really not a secret um but what's
0:32:51.320,0:32:57.200
been working it's been starting out the
0:32:53.880,0:33:00.039
stand with the mfk fireball is it happy
0:32:57.200,0:33:03.799
girl or big girl uh there's big girl
0:33:00.039,0:33:07.320
yeah yep big girl yeah Fireball H big
0:33:03.799,0:33:10.559
girl how um let that run through its its
0:33:07.320,0:33:13.559
cycle uh wait about a minute then I'd go
0:33:10.559,0:33:16.799
to the the old school Fox Pro female
0:33:13.559,0:33:18.840
coyote challenge yeah let that you know
0:33:16.799,0:33:22.840
kick off for about 45 seconds to a
0:33:18.840,0:33:27.279
minute wait maybe 30 seconds and I hit
0:33:22.840,0:33:30.279
the new Fox Pro uh KY pair challenge
0:33:27.279,0:33:34.799
kind of that challenge with that and
0:33:30.279,0:33:38.480
then I'd go right into mfk haow fight or
0:33:34.799,0:33:41.240
mfk fight challenge uhhuh let that run
0:33:38.480,0:33:44.480
and usually they were on their way by
0:33:41.240,0:33:46.760
then um and running us over and if I
0:33:44.480,0:33:49.600
heard them how and they didn't show up
0:33:46.760,0:33:52.880
to the fight I'd go right into Fox Pro
0:33:49.600,0:33:54.320
pup screams and it it was if they how
0:33:52.880,0:33:57.480
and pup screams was
0:33:54.320,0:33:59.480
playing just click the safety off right
0:33:57.480,0:34:01.240
right
0:33:59.480,0:34:03.279
hey just like when we was in Arizona as
0:34:01.240,0:34:07.600
soon as Al hit Lightning Jack what did I
0:34:03.279,0:34:09.480
do I got ready remember that oh yeah
0:34:07.600,0:34:12.760
when lightning Jack's playing pick the
0:34:09.480,0:34:15.000
safety up that's right they're
0:34:12.760,0:34:18.720
coming so how many how many cows did
0:34:15.000,0:34:20.320
y'all call uh we ended up calling eight
0:34:18.720,0:34:21.960
well we called in more than eight but we
0:34:20.320,0:34:25.440
got eight
0:34:21.960,0:34:28.599
yeah and then we went out two days ago I
0:34:25.440,0:34:32.399
played the same sequence um and we ended
0:34:28.599,0:34:35.000
up with five yep we had one we couldn't
0:34:32.399,0:34:38.320
find and that happens at night happens
0:34:35.000,0:34:41.240
during the day too especially Sage Brush
0:34:38.320,0:34:43.639
stuff um and usually that's just the
0:34:41.240,0:34:45.200
ones that are can still run pretty good
0:34:43.639,0:34:47.200
right we've been we've been bringing the
0:34:45.200,0:34:49.919
decoy dogs Nick bought some a really
0:34:47.200,0:34:53.040
nice dog um from a guy in Montana that
0:34:49.919,0:34:56.119
we know yep and he's been a complete
0:34:53.040,0:34:58.640
stud at finding stuff at night I mean
0:34:56.119,0:35:01.520
you almost get you almost get lazy but
0:34:58.640,0:35:05.400
it's cool to watch a dog do what it does
0:35:01.520,0:35:08.200
what it to do so we've been happy with
0:35:05.400,0:35:10.000
that um bring the dog they're a they're
0:35:08.200,0:35:11.520
an excellent tool you know especially
0:35:10.000,0:35:13.200
when it comes to Kow hunting stuff like
0:35:11.520,0:35:15.480
that if you know if they gonna go out
0:35:13.200,0:35:17.560
there and find them let them do it for
0:35:15.480,0:35:19.440
sure yeah it's good for them it's good
0:35:17.560,0:35:20.800
training and and that's the thing is
0:35:19.440,0:35:22.960
we've been having to get out more just
0:35:20.800,0:35:25.160
to get these dogs in front of coyotes oh
0:35:22.960,0:35:26.960
yeah that and that is a key that is key
0:35:25.160,0:35:29.560
for making a good decoy dog you got to
0:35:26.960,0:35:31.560
show them a lot of Co out yeah yeah you
0:35:29.560,0:35:33.480
know you go with Jeff all the time with
0:35:31.560,0:35:36.079
his dogs and and actually Nick's good
0:35:33.480,0:35:39.960
dog that he just got he's he's Kahola
0:35:36.079,0:35:42.040
just like Jeff's dogs yep so pretty cool
0:35:39.960,0:35:44.200
pretty cool to watch so and we've been
0:35:42.040,0:35:46.680
running the same sequence um with the
0:35:44.200,0:35:49.520
dogs and I think the combination has
0:35:46.680,0:35:52.640
been huge especially on public ground it
0:35:49.520,0:35:53.920
gets pressured a lot right right and I'm
0:35:52.640,0:35:55.839
going to go out again and I'm gonna try
0:35:53.920,0:35:58.160
the same sequence and I think just while
0:35:55.839,0:36:00.560
the pups are probably coming out of the
0:35:58.160,0:36:03.280
dens now we did end up getting one of
0:36:00.560,0:36:06.440
those that was actually hunting and it
0:36:03.280,0:36:10.119
was probably about a 9 10B kot oh is
0:36:06.440,0:36:12.040
that right yes really yeah that was uh
0:36:10.119,0:36:14.240
went middle of the week last week so
0:36:12.040,0:36:16.880
yeah so it's probably early early born
0:36:14.240,0:36:21.240
Kyle right there and it was a smart one
0:36:16.880,0:36:24.280
so we we noticed was out west here the
0:36:21.240,0:36:26.359
kangaroo rats have been everywhere ah
0:36:24.280,0:36:27.839
okay and when we were driving out we
0:36:26.359,0:36:30.680
kept I mean we were running them over by
0:36:27.839,0:36:34.000
the hundreds Yep this Kyle happened to
0:36:30.680,0:36:35.800
be cruising the highway picking up the
0:36:34.000,0:36:38.560
dead ones and then he ran across the
0:36:35.800,0:36:40.599
road to go out in the sage and we jumped
0:36:38.560,0:36:42.599
out went down the road made a stand and
0:36:40.599,0:36:46.280
called him called him right in about
0:36:42.599,0:36:48.400
that yeah pretty cool yeah I'd say that
0:36:46.280,0:36:49.960
I'd say there is that DS right there
0:36:48.400,0:36:51.560
somewhere close gotta be they ain't
0:36:49.960,0:36:54.640
gonna go too far away from the den that
0:36:51.560,0:36:58.640
size of a coyot oh I dropped a pin buddy
0:36:54.640,0:37:01.240
going back next weekend or this weekend
0:36:58.640,0:37:03.480
y he you talk you're talking about the
0:37:01.240,0:37:06.119
sequences and those formulas like if you
0:37:03.480,0:37:07.839
got a formula sequence it's working just
0:37:06.119,0:37:11.200
keep running with it you know you you've
0:37:07.839,0:37:13.040
made two trips it was pretty successful
0:37:11.200,0:37:14.359
so why would you change it going in next
0:37:13.040,0:37:15.720
weekend or whenever next time you're
0:37:14.359,0:37:18.200
going out you might as well test the
0:37:15.720,0:37:19.960
waters and that's pretty much us here
0:37:18.200,0:37:22.359
you know we hunted two days this past
0:37:19.960,0:37:24.480
week and every stand we we just did it
0:37:22.359,0:37:27.920
the exact same way I think we was doing
0:37:24.480,0:37:30.280
like I think we played U camir lonely
0:37:27.920,0:37:32.240
house uh most of the time off at you
0:37:30.280,0:37:37.160
know starting to standoff and then we'd
0:37:32.240,0:37:39.920
play broke pups uh then KY pup 314 and
0:37:37.160,0:37:42.240
then maybe one other pup sound and then
0:37:39.920,0:37:43.880
we go into some type of fight and it was
0:37:42.240,0:37:47.000
just like clockwork they were either
0:37:43.880,0:37:49.359
showing up on your first pup sound which
0:37:47.000,0:37:50.520
was mfk broke pups if they wasn't
0:37:49.359,0:37:52.040
showing up to broke pups they was
0:37:50.520,0:37:53.880
showing up to one of the fights at the
0:37:52.040,0:37:55.839
end it's like that's the two times they
0:37:53.880,0:37:57.079
were showing up and it just worked and
0:37:55.839,0:37:59.800
that's what we just kept playing we
0:37:57.079,0:38:03.240
called in several coyotes that we put I
0:37:59.800,0:38:05.200
think we got uh five really nice stands
0:38:03.240,0:38:08.760
uh that we'll put out on Fox pro hunting
0:38:05.200,0:38:11.240
TV um but yeah just the formula is
0:38:08.760,0:38:12.680
working and you know I might go C
0:38:11.240,0:38:14.160
calling tomorrow morning here at home
0:38:12.680,0:38:16.040
back home now and I'm just gonna run the
0:38:14.160,0:38:18.160
same exact thing you know why why not
0:38:16.040,0:38:20.520
might as well test it here too right for
0:38:18.160,0:38:22.640
sure yeah give it a world and that was
0:38:20.520,0:38:25.280
that's actually the third hunt uh we we
0:38:22.640,0:38:27.800
went to Mexico a couple weeks ago but
0:38:25.280,0:38:29.200
the week weekend before we left I ran
0:38:27.800,0:38:32.560
the same sequence with Nick and we
0:38:29.200,0:38:34.680
killed six yeah so I mean it was it's
0:38:32.560,0:38:37.280
been working and I think as long as the
0:38:34.680,0:38:40.480
pups are going to be coming out and it's
0:38:37.280,0:38:43.040
G to still work so yeah well if it ain't
0:38:40.480,0:38:45.280
broke don't fix it and if not we'll just
0:38:43.040,0:38:48.160
find something else to play you know oh
0:38:45.280,0:38:50.760
yeah you just slightly tweak it I'm sure
0:38:48.160,0:38:52.880
you'll be right back in them hopefully
0:38:50.760,0:38:55.720
but there is a time of day that it seems
0:38:52.880,0:38:58.720
like when they turn off they turn off
0:38:55.720,0:39:00.440
you know and right it's it's hard to go
0:38:58.720,0:39:02.800
home it's hard to call it quits because
0:39:00.440,0:39:05.119
you know it's gonna turn back on right
0:39:02.800,0:39:08.040
right for sure for
0:39:05.119,0:39:11.359
sure well tell tell me about your uh he
0:39:08.040,0:39:13.720
was talking about a you're using AR10 6
0:39:11.359,0:39:15.839
Creed there for night hunting what about
0:39:13.720,0:39:18.240
your daytime rig you running a boat gun
0:39:15.839,0:39:20.880
or you still running some form of AR I'm
0:39:18.240,0:39:22.520
still running that same rifle okay so
0:39:20.880,0:39:24.839
you're running so when you was talking
0:39:22.520,0:39:26.760
about the quick detach you're just
0:39:24.839,0:39:28.760
taking your thermal off and throwing a
0:39:26.760,0:39:30.640
day scope spa and go running the same
0:39:28.760,0:39:33.520
rig here during the
0:39:30.640,0:39:35.440
day okay all right so that's that's just
0:39:33.520,0:39:37.599
the gun you want to I've seen you shoot
0:39:35.440,0:39:39.680
boat guns in the past though didn't you
0:39:37.599,0:39:43.200
have nice custom custom boat gun that
0:39:39.680,0:39:45.839
you had built I I did have one that uh
0:39:43.200,0:39:47.720
was built by a guy here local and then
0:39:45.839,0:39:50.880
this AR10 that I'm running is actually
0:39:47.720,0:39:53.400
made by a company out Iowa BRD Gun Works
0:39:50.880,0:39:57.480
and that's kind of the one I've I've
0:39:53.400,0:40:00.280
just gotten so familiar with it and it's
0:39:57.480,0:40:02.720
so smooth and and I do love a bolt gun I
0:40:00.280,0:40:05.560
started out on a bolt gun and I still
0:40:02.720,0:40:07.839
shoot him when I can but when it's first
0:40:05.560,0:40:10.839
season is probably when I'll change it
0:40:07.839,0:40:13.880
up a little bit okay this this six Creed
0:40:10.839,0:40:16.280
those 87 V Maxes are brutal does a
0:40:13.880,0:40:19.160
number H that's for sure we had a sixth
0:40:16.280,0:40:20.880
Creed with us this past week and Jeff
0:40:19.160,0:40:23.680
was running he shot a few and there was
0:40:20.880,0:40:26.640
some there was some exits that were oh
0:40:23.680,0:40:28.400
my gosh you know I had to watch how you
0:40:26.640,0:40:30.440
picked them up and to the camera but
0:40:28.400,0:40:32.400
yeah no I mean I totally agree it don't
0:40:30.440,0:40:34.079
matter if you're AR man or a boat gun if
0:40:32.400,0:40:35.839
you're comfortable with something and
0:40:34.079,0:40:39.400
you're going to be running nighttime and
0:40:35.839,0:40:42.400
daytime setups there's no I mean why not
0:40:39.400,0:40:45.839
either run the same same rifle for for
0:40:42.400,0:40:47.359
both uh or you know have two identical
0:40:45.839,0:40:49.000
rifles you know especially if you find
0:40:47.359,0:40:52.280
something that that you're comfortable
0:40:49.000,0:40:54.359
with sure I mean that's key to you know
0:40:52.280,0:40:55.880
being uh being a good shot I think is
0:40:54.359,0:40:58.599
being consistent it's more than just
0:40:55.880,0:41:00.359
being consistent on on how you shoot
0:40:58.599,0:41:01.720
it's being consistent with what type of
0:41:00.359,0:41:04.920
firearm you take you know if you're
0:41:01.720,0:41:07.079
using the same same setup all the time
0:41:04.920,0:41:10.319
you're bound to become proficient with
0:41:07.079,0:41:12.480
it so you put enough Tri time in and
0:41:10.319,0:41:15.079
that's really what it is you know my
0:41:12.480,0:41:18.240
bolt gun that I ran in the daytime quite
0:41:15.079,0:41:19.400
a bit is a six Creed more as well and it
0:41:18.240,0:41:22.760
shoots the
0:41:19.400,0:41:26.040
108s okay yep Y and I was running that
0:41:22.760,0:41:27.880
223 for a long time and I still do when
0:41:26.040,0:41:33.280
it's first season and I load
0:41:27.880,0:41:35.920
60 grain Vmax is for it okay um yeah
0:41:33.280,0:41:38.000
so so when you say first season you
0:41:35.920,0:41:39.880
you're you're skinning some coyotes are
0:41:38.000,0:41:42.720
you selling on somebody on off a carcass
0:41:39.880,0:41:46.400
or or what are you doing there we SK we
0:41:42.720,0:41:49.400
skin every decent one we can um and then
0:41:46.400,0:41:51.800
either there's a guy down here in Cedar
0:41:49.400,0:41:54.240
City that uh he hunts kyotes but he
0:41:51.800,0:41:56.960
makes like he made my wife a fur
0:41:54.240,0:42:00.079
vest do doeses all kinds of cool stuff
0:41:56.960,0:42:02.640
hat and I got a buddy in Alaska that um
0:42:00.079,0:42:04.839
has a Fur Company also and when he flies
0:42:02.640,0:42:06.480
his fur down here to Idaho he'll
0:42:04.839,0:42:08.839
actually come here to my house and we'll
0:42:06.480,0:42:11.119
go to Idaho together so whatever Furs I
0:42:08.839,0:42:14.640
have in the freezer I you know I I hook
0:42:11.119,0:42:16.960
him up when we do a trade work and so
0:42:14.640,0:42:18.359
nice so you're you scan them up roll
0:42:16.960,0:42:20.040
them up and put them in the freezer or
0:42:18.359,0:42:22.800
you doing the whole nine yards you
0:42:20.040,0:42:25.440
scanning flesh and stretch and dry and
0:42:22.800,0:42:27.480
all that stuff I've gotten stuff to do
0:42:25.440,0:42:30.559
that I just don't have the time all the
0:42:27.480,0:42:32.720
time so lately it's been it's been
0:42:30.559,0:42:37.359
rolling him up you know for Josh when he
0:42:32.720,0:42:39.160
comes down and yeah let do his thing and
0:42:37.359,0:42:40.680
but that's pretty cool you don't hear
0:42:39.160,0:42:43.680
about too many people skining them out
0:42:40.680,0:42:45.880
anymore that's for sure no and it's it's
0:42:43.680,0:42:48.359
sad because some of them are really nice
0:42:45.880,0:42:50.880
but I do I try not to waste anything I
0:42:48.359,0:42:52.760
got a lady here that does um some skull
0:42:50.880,0:42:54.400
work and you know I give her the Kyo
0:42:52.760,0:42:56.960
heads and she she has a little business
0:42:54.400,0:42:59.960
and does her thing with those and yeah
0:42:56.960,0:43:02.880
we just try to be resourceful and help
0:42:59.960,0:43:06.240
everybody out and nothing nothing goes
0:43:02.880,0:43:09.599
to waste nice nice
0:43:06.240,0:43:11.480
well been on here for quite a while look
0:43:09.599,0:43:13.160
like we've been on here over 43 minutes
0:43:11.480,0:43:16.240
so we're starting to wind down here what
0:43:13.160,0:43:19.400
let me ask you just a few few questions
0:43:16.240,0:43:23.520
here just some would you rather type
0:43:19.400,0:43:25.319
stuff and and all that uh what's your uh
0:43:23.520,0:43:27.359
what's your favorite time of year to KY
0:43:25.319,0:43:30.160
call
0:43:27.359,0:43:31.000
my favorite time to call is probably
0:43:30.160,0:43:34.200
that
0:43:31.000,0:43:37.680
October November
0:43:34.200,0:43:39.680
window when the most CS heard out right
0:43:37.680,0:43:43.240
you you've heard Al talk about how that
0:43:39.680,0:43:46.559
works you know Target Rich environment
0:43:43.240,0:43:49.319
exactly um fresh ears and that's that's
0:43:46.559,0:43:50.280
huge for me is you know just having them
0:43:49.319,0:43:53.839
running
0:43:50.280,0:43:56.480
in EXA that time is my favorite October
0:43:53.839,0:43:59.040
into into November what's your least
0:43:56.480,0:43:59.040
favorite time
0:43:59.359,0:44:04.880
probably
0:44:01.200,0:44:08.680
that the time frame after they paired up
0:44:04.880,0:44:11.359
and you know I'd say it's probably March
0:44:08.680,0:44:14.160
yeah that March March April they kind of
0:44:11.359,0:44:16.920
go into that lull that they don't really
0:44:14.160,0:44:18.880
do a whole lot they're digging dens and
0:44:16.920,0:44:20.839
yeah during that time frame you have the
0:44:18.880,0:44:22.720
least amount of couch that you'll ever
0:44:20.839,0:44:25.079
have throughout the year to hunt too so
0:44:22.720,0:44:27.839
it makes it not as appealing they've
0:44:25.079,0:44:31.359
heard every sound you know yeah
0:44:27.839,0:44:33.280
it gets rough but I mean if you stay
0:44:31.359,0:44:35.480
after it and make more stands you will
0:44:33.280,0:44:38.400
call them you just got to go do
0:44:35.480,0:44:40.760
it what your uh you've been all over the
0:44:38.400,0:44:43.839
country hunting yourself been been
0:44:40.760,0:44:45.559
several other states filming KY hunts
0:44:43.839,0:44:50.200
what you what's your favorite state to
0:44:45.559,0:44:52.359
go KY K in oh that's a tough
0:44:50.200,0:44:55.839
one
0:44:52.359,0:44:58.440
probably I think I like Arizona yeah
0:44:55.839,0:45:02.000
when it's not so hot yep um just because
0:44:58.440,0:45:03.920
the variety of of the animals they have
0:45:02.000,0:45:07.400
there and what comes with your license
0:45:03.920,0:45:10.079
yeah um the kyotes are always really
0:45:07.400,0:45:12.359
plentiful there uh Bobcats are part of
0:45:10.079,0:45:15.280
your te your your license and they have
0:45:12.359,0:45:17.480
gray fox down there so whatever country
0:45:15.280,0:45:20.599
you're rolling through you can kind of
0:45:17.480,0:45:22.880
just call the fox you can call Bobcat
0:45:20.599,0:45:24.240
country so you got a variety and you
0:45:22.880,0:45:26.319
just it's like fishing in the ocean you
0:45:24.240,0:45:29.880
never know what's going to come in so
0:45:26.319,0:45:33.720
right right I think Arizona's
0:45:29.880,0:45:35.760
probably my first pick what about uh
0:45:33.720,0:45:38.720
what's your least favorite state
0:45:35.760,0:45:40.280
Hunt is there a state you care you that
0:45:38.720,0:45:43.040
you're like I don't care if I ever go
0:45:40.280,0:45:45.599
back there and try to call coyot
0:45:43.040,0:45:48.200
again
0:45:45.599,0:45:50.160
uh I'm gonna have to say and you're
0:45:48.200,0:45:51.720
gonna be like really it's just because I
0:45:50.160,0:45:55.079
haven't spent enough time out there but
0:45:51.720,0:45:58.079
Wyoming is it's just always so windy
0:45:55.079,0:46:00.760
when we go there it is it's a windy
0:45:58.079,0:46:02.880
place that's for sure and that's
0:46:00.760,0:46:06.040
probably the biggest like turn off for
0:46:02.880,0:46:09.319
me is I'm just like I hate the I like a
0:46:06.040,0:46:11.800
good wind but not you know 20 M hour and
0:46:09.319,0:46:16.920
30 30 m hour
0:46:11.800,0:46:19.839
gust dude I have been I I I like Wyoming
0:46:16.920,0:46:23.040
but I have been in Wyoming when I'm like
0:46:19.839,0:46:24.599
what in the world am I doing here type
0:46:23.040,0:46:26.480
stuff because I mean there's been times
0:46:24.599,0:46:28.359
we've been there filming and when we
0:46:26.480,0:46:30.839
film you you know the tripods we run we
0:46:28.359,0:46:33.359
run really nice sturdy tripods and all
0:46:30.839,0:46:36.319
this type of stuff uh we've been on
0:46:33.359,0:46:38.400
stand where you have to keep your hands
0:46:36.319,0:46:40.880
on the camera and tripod because the
0:46:38.400,0:46:44.599
wind is blowing so bad it will blow the
0:46:40.880,0:46:46.640
whole system over and go tumbling yeah
0:46:44.599,0:46:48.760
that's a lot of wind and you're just
0:46:46.640,0:46:51.520
looking around like what are we
0:46:48.760,0:46:53.000
doing which one of us is the dumbest one
0:46:51.520,0:46:55.920
whose idea is
0:46:53.000,0:46:57.880
this yeah we we experienced that when we
0:46:55.920,0:47:00.720
were in Alberta if you watched the the
0:46:57.880,0:47:01.960
fakers Resurrection Alberta episode I
0:47:00.720,0:47:03.480
mean it was like you could go to the
0:47:01.960,0:47:05.640
edge of the hill and lean over like
0:47:03.480,0:47:08.040
Michael Jackson and just you know it
0:47:05.640,0:47:10.119
just hold you you yeah and we had to
0:47:08.040,0:47:12.440
grind it out you drive all that way you
0:47:10.119,0:47:15.680
take the time off to hunt and make video
0:47:12.440,0:47:18.599
and and we got some cool video but man
0:47:15.680,0:47:22.079
the wind was brutal so
0:47:18.599,0:47:25.440
Wyoming is always windy and it's my
0:47:22.079,0:47:27.559
least favorite but I'll go right I'll go
0:47:25.440,0:47:29.720
well what about uh
0:47:27.559,0:47:31.359
you'd rather day hunt or night hunt if
0:47:29.720,0:47:33.720
you just had they somebody come told you
0:47:31.359,0:47:36.359
said you can only do say your wife told
0:47:33.720,0:47:38.559
you said listen Richie you KY hunting
0:47:36.359,0:47:41.119
too much you got to choose one you can't
0:47:38.559,0:47:42.680
be doing this daytime and all night you
0:47:41.119,0:47:44.839
get to choose one you can either go hunt
0:47:42.680,0:47:46.920
a day or you can hunt at night while you
0:47:44.839,0:47:50.119
while you picking she's gonna get a kick
0:47:46.920,0:47:53.559
out of that he's gonna use that
0:47:50.119,0:47:57.240
now uh I I am a firm believer that day
0:47:53.559,0:47:59.920
hunting is King it is the best you get
0:47:57.240,0:48:02.400
to watch them come from far away in the
0:47:59.920,0:48:05.599
daylight let watch them do what coyotes
0:48:02.400,0:48:10.079
do use their nose um I think that's the
0:48:05.599,0:48:12.079
ultimate is day hunting nice nice all
0:48:10.079,0:48:15.079
right I got uh let's see how much time
0:48:12.079,0:48:19.280
we got later we got a few more minutes
0:48:15.079,0:48:21.760
what is what's your three favorite
0:48:19.280,0:48:24.760
sounds to play out your Fox Pro what
0:48:21.760,0:48:26.160
your 3B you know Fox Pro Sounds mfk
0:48:24.760,0:48:28.240
sounds whatever what's your three
0:48:26.160,0:48:32.839
favorite sound
0:48:28.240,0:48:36.280
if I if I was to if if say when this you
0:48:32.839,0:48:39.079
know say you going out for the rest of
0:48:36.280,0:48:42.160
this season and Mike Dylan calls you and
0:48:39.079,0:48:43.960
says hey we're GNA challenge you to to
0:48:42.160,0:48:45.599
call kyot this year but you can only use
0:48:43.960,0:48:51.240
three sounds you can only have three
0:48:45.599,0:48:52.440
sounds on your Fox Pro from from June
0:48:51.240,0:48:53.880
all the way through the end of the year
0:48:52.440,0:48:57.280
through December what three sounds you
0:48:53.880,0:48:57.280
putting on there
0:48:57.640,0:49:02.359
if I'm gonna have to say female Sore
0:49:00.040,0:49:05.319
house for one
0:49:02.359,0:49:07.960
yep
0:49:05.319,0:49:11.319
probably mfk fight
0:49:07.960,0:49:13.480
challenge and always pup distress three
0:49:11.319,0:49:15.720
so you're gonna have you're going to
0:49:13.480,0:49:19.280
have a nice how with female sore Hows
0:49:15.720,0:49:22.319
You got a a a tried and true pup
0:49:19.280,0:49:26.000
distress with Fox Pros cow pup distress
0:49:22.319,0:49:28.839
number three and then a nice nasty fight
0:49:26.000,0:49:31.760
uh mfk fight challenge no prey distress
0:49:28.839,0:49:33.960
I'm shocked that a western guy come on
0:49:31.760,0:49:36.240
here and didn't choose some kind of prey
0:49:33.960,0:49:37.839
distress and you want to know why tell
0:49:36.240,0:49:39.599
me why this is interesting I'm not
0:49:37.839,0:49:42.280
saying you're wrong this is great
0:49:39.599,0:49:44.400
because everybody cranks the rabbit out
0:49:42.280,0:49:47.000
here what about the
0:49:44.400,0:49:50.359
Woodpecker what about
0:49:47.000,0:49:52.200
the hey you said what what I could put
0:49:50.359,0:49:55.440
on my fox bro that you didn't say I
0:49:52.200,0:49:57.480
couldn't hand call there hey hey using
0:49:55.440,0:49:59.520
your head ain't you
0:49:57.480,0:50:01.240
yeah I like it I like it don't forget
0:49:59.520,0:50:03.040
about those hand calls hey there's
0:50:01.240,0:50:04.880
nothing wrong with what you picked I
0:50:03.040,0:50:06.400
just think I just you shocked me a
0:50:04.880,0:50:08.280
little bit that's awesome there's no
0:50:06.400,0:50:09.839
right an there's no there's no wrong
0:50:08.280,0:50:11.520
answers here I guess what I should say
0:50:09.839,0:50:13.599
there's no that's awesome that's great I
0:50:11.520,0:50:15.200
think it's very interesting it's
0:50:13.599,0:50:17.319
probably just because what's working now
0:50:15.200,0:50:20.160
in the fall I do like a good prey
0:50:17.319,0:50:22.720
distress yeah
0:50:20.160,0:50:25.720
yep quite a b if I just give you you can
0:50:22.720,0:50:29.000
only have one sound like one sound one
0:50:25.720,0:50:30.440
sound for your eco for you fox Pro and
0:50:29.000,0:50:32.280
you can run you can have your mouth
0:50:30.440,0:50:37.200
diaphragms your hand calls all that type
0:50:32.280,0:50:39.520
of stuff but you get one call Mrs MC oh
0:50:37.200,0:50:41.480
okay so then you totally swap it up if
0:50:39.520,0:50:43.240
you could have only three sounds you had
0:50:41.480,0:50:46.440
three coyot vocals but if you can only
0:50:43.240,0:50:49.680
have one you put Mrs motton tail on
0:50:46.440,0:50:51.760
there yeah very interesting good stuff
0:50:49.680,0:50:54.440
good stuff
0:50:51.760,0:50:57.200
Richie shocked me with that one shocked
0:50:54.440,0:50:59.440
me both times it's probably like I said
0:50:57.200,0:51:01.559
just cuz what's been working hey I like
0:50:59.440,0:51:04.599
I like those answers that's good that's
0:51:01.559,0:51:05.920
good it's really good stuff all right
0:51:04.599,0:51:08.760
one more thing then we're going to get
0:51:05.920,0:51:11.000
off here um like I said earlier you
0:51:08.760,0:51:13.359
you've hunted many different states
0:51:11.000,0:51:16.240
you've hunted with tons of different
0:51:13.359,0:51:19.839
people um been all over the place do you
0:51:16.240,0:51:22.160
have a particular hunt a particular cow
0:51:19.839,0:51:24.319
stand or particular series of coyot
0:51:22.160,0:51:27.799
stands on a trip that just stands out in
0:51:24.319,0:51:30.359
your own mind um that's that's a little
0:51:27.799,0:51:32.599
special to you and if so just run us
0:51:30.359,0:51:34.440
through it real quick what you tell us
0:51:32.599,0:51:36.200
your favorite KY stand or something like
0:51:34.440,0:51:37.200
that her favorite Bob it don't matter
0:51:36.200,0:51:43.119
what it
0:51:37.200,0:51:44.480
is probably the favorite Kyo stand is um
0:51:43.119,0:51:48.160
it's a Nevada
0:51:44.480,0:51:51.520
stand and I've shed hunted this spot
0:51:48.160,0:51:54.040
before picked up pantler there and we've
0:51:51.520,0:51:57.200
day hunted it we've night hunted it it's
0:51:54.040,0:51:59.440
100% stand it's off the grid and
0:51:57.200,0:52:02.079
it's so off the grid
0:51:59.440,0:52:04.359
that it's almost like you you better
0:52:02.079,0:52:07.799
hope you don't get a flat tire off the
0:52:04.359,0:52:09.720
grid and it it goes back no cell phone
0:52:07.799,0:52:11.799
no cell phone service so if you do have
0:52:09.720,0:52:14.520
a flat flat tire nobody's coming to help
0:52:11.799,0:52:16.400
you no service and it drops back behind
0:52:14.520,0:52:18.640
this Canyon you go through this little
0:52:16.400,0:52:20.119
narrow slot you know the water's already
0:52:18.640,0:52:21.760
beaten down the road so sometimes you
0:52:20.119,0:52:24.920
don't even know you get through it but
0:52:21.760,0:52:27.400
as you come through it it splits wide
0:52:24.920,0:52:30.040
open and
0:52:27.400,0:52:32.240
it runs two draws one goes left one goes
0:52:30.040,0:52:35.319
right and it go one goes up and one goes
0:52:32.240,0:52:37.720
down and when you call it it The Sound
0:52:35.319,0:52:40.599
travels and there's another slot behind
0:52:37.720,0:52:44.240
you um and we've just had them come
0:52:40.599,0:52:47.079
every time there and it's picture
0:52:44.240,0:52:49.400
perfect I I would almost rather have my
0:52:47.079,0:52:52.240
ashes thrown there to be honest is that
0:52:49.400,0:52:56.160
right it's that peaceful and cool of a
0:52:52.240,0:52:58.559
place like yeah we love it there awesome
0:52:56.160,0:53:01.230
awesome when's the last time you called
0:52:58.559,0:53:02.559
it um
0:53:01.230,0:53:05.760
[Music]
0:53:02.559,0:53:08.720
probably two months ago kill anything
0:53:05.760,0:53:10.480
call anything we called a pair in in the
0:53:08.720,0:53:13.240
dark but they wouldn't split out of the
0:53:10.480,0:53:16.040
Cedars and Nick got a shot at one and we
0:53:13.240,0:53:17.839
got one but awesome there there's always
0:53:16.040,0:53:21.079
a pair down low there's always a pair of
0:53:17.839,0:53:23.559
high and and that's just the thing is
0:53:21.079,0:53:26.040
the sound travels through those draws
0:53:23.559,0:53:28.599
you know if you look at it on onx it
0:53:26.040,0:53:30.520
just is out beautiful the sound just
0:53:28.599,0:53:32.799
travels far and you if you wait long
0:53:30.520,0:53:34.799
enough something's coming to investigate
0:53:32.799,0:53:37.000
it so that that's probably my best
0:53:34.799,0:53:38.640
favorite stand to go to what how many
0:53:37.000,0:53:41.920
times a year do you make it
0:53:38.640,0:53:45.200
stand I try to make it two times a year
0:53:41.920,0:53:48.000
one in the you know this Springtime like
0:53:45.200,0:53:52.359
right well now it's summer but and then
0:53:48.000,0:53:54.440
one in the fall so so so what you're
0:53:52.359,0:53:57.119
saying is if the good Lord come to you
0:53:54.440,0:54:00.200
and said hey you got one more KY stand
0:53:57.119,0:54:01.839
left in your body and then you're done
0:54:00.200,0:54:04.240
that's the place and you said you can go
0:54:01.839,0:54:06.200
anywhere you want to go make any stand
0:54:04.240,0:54:08.480
you want that's where you going
0:54:06.200,0:54:11.200
absolutely that's good stuff Richie we
0:54:08.480,0:54:13.480
appreciate you coming on old buddy amen
0:54:11.200,0:54:15.280
I appreciate you and uh congrats on all
0:54:13.480,0:54:18.119
the success with this podcast and what
0:54:15.280,0:54:20.480
you've been doing uh you you're really
0:54:18.119,0:54:22.359
taking Fox Pro to another level I
0:54:20.480,0:54:23.960
appreciate appreciate the kind words
0:54:22.359,0:54:26.880
buddy is there anything you want to you
0:54:23.960,0:54:30.119
want to leave everybody with yeah yeah
0:54:26.880,0:54:33.880
actually I do uh if there's stuff out
0:54:30.119,0:54:37.240
there going down um with anti you know
0:54:33.880,0:54:39.119
trying to jump on the wagon and take
0:54:37.240,0:54:41.920
down this kind of hunting or that kind
0:54:39.119,0:54:44.599
of hunting or trapping it's not your
0:54:41.920,0:54:47.440
Forte there's no in between you are a
0:54:44.599,0:54:49.480
hunter or you're not um support those
0:54:47.440,0:54:51.599
guys because they they're chipping away
0:54:49.480,0:54:54.240
at everything and we all really need to
0:54:51.599,0:54:57.200
stand together on this kind of stuff and
0:54:54.240,0:54:59.200
seen back up in Michigan or I think it's
0:54:57.200,0:55:01.599
Michigan know some some guys running
0:54:59.200,0:55:03.480
hounds we're all for having a season on
0:55:01.599,0:55:06.480
coyotes and the more regulations you put
0:55:03.480,0:55:08.920
on yourself it's not good for anybody so
0:55:06.480,0:55:11.799
stick together call your Congressman
0:55:08.920,0:55:13.760
when you need to write emails do your
0:55:11.799,0:55:16.599
part because we need
0:55:13.760,0:55:18.520
it good stuff Richie we hope everyone
0:55:16.599,0:55:22.880
enjoyed this episode we hope you join us
0:55:18.520,0:55:22.880
again right here on the fox Pro podcast