The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 49: Talking Coyotes with Rich Gonzales

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Rich Gonzales talk everything coyote hunting and what has been working recently.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome

 

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back to the fox Pro podcast I'm John

 

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Collins and today we have Fox Pro

 

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staffer Richie Gonzalez on the line

 

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Richie how you been doing buddy good

 

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John how about you I'm doing doing good

 

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and by the way which guys I've hunted

 

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with with Rich several different times

 

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but always I think last time I've hunted

 

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with him I say a several different times

 

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been a couple times but last time I I

 

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hunted with Rich me and Jeff Ryder was

 

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with him and I think we asked you said

 

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is it do we need to call you rich Richie

 

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Richard or some other kind of

 

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name I've been called a lot

 

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worse Rich Richie works fine when I was

 

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in the in the military they called me

 

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Speedy Gonzalez of course Al adopts that

 

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once in a while oh yeah I think I think

 

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Jeff called you that too he did he did

 

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so

 

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oh well looks like you uh looks like you

 

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been burning a coyotes up here lately

 

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man we've been trying to get after them

 

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um it's definitely always harder on High

 

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Press coyotes and public land yep and

 

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and we've just been grinding and one

 

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luckily we got really awesome spouses

 

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that understand why we do what we do and

 

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we just been hitting it you know they

 

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three weeks in a row we've got a

 

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sequence that I've been running and

 

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they've been the problem is they've been

 

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running us

 

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over wrong with that well when you got

 

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decoy dogs out there no one run no one

 

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runs the shotgun just safety of the dogs

 

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so when they're not stopping I mean you

 

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get what you get and and hope for the

 

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best and it's been working out but if we

 

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would have killed everything we've

 

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called in the pictures would be even

 

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more epic but right that's on us that's

 

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on us to shoot better too so I I it's

 

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sounds like a good problem to have you

 

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know kyot running over top of you I mean

 

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that's what that's what coyot Hunters

 

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dream of right there it is it's intense

 

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well Richie won't you uh won't you tell

 

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us a bit more about yourself you know

 

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I'll just go ahead start that off too

 

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Richie Richie is a fox Pro staffer uh

 

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he's been a staffer for several years

 

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now um he hunts in several different

 

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states for coyotes he also goes out runs

 

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a camera for Fox pro hunting TV travels

 

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all over the country he's filming myself

 

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he films out Morris a lot does a lot of

 

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stuff on his own as well but but re you

 

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want you go ahead and tell everybody a

 

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little bit more about yourself I will

 

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for sure so I uh started hunting archery

 

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hunting back in Vermont where I'm from

 

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I'm native Green Mountain boy back on

 

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the East Coast like you John and I

 

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joined the Air Force when I was 18 and

 

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started out the Vermont National Guard

 

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and then transferred to Utah fulltime so

 

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I've been here since

 

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02 I haven't I didn't start hunting

 

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coyotes till about 20

 

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2007 and the first stand my buddy took

 

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me on I mean it's he told me it's gonna

 

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it's probably going to ruin you and here

 

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we are 17 years later I am definitely

 

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ruined I take the bow out archery season

 

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once in a while but that's when the

 

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coyotes are on fire too so it's very

 

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it's very hard to choose but the coyotes

 

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tend to win every time so so that's kind

 

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of where I got my start was back in ' 07

 

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with a good friend of mine brell Roberts

 

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and and I hunted with him last week and

 

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we we put a pile up with his little boy

 

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and had had a good time

 

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and I saw I saw that y'all had the had

 

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the Next Generation out there with you

 

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we did and then you know two days two

 

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days ago we took Nick's boy out with us

 

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and and that's what it's all about it's

 

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getting them youngsters out off the

 

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phones in the in the wild and training

 

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them for what next you know and

 

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hopefully they all take on and and what

 

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we love to do because it's definitely a

 

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dying sport or tradition and we need all

 

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those kids to step up and yep no he's a

 

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fox for sure you know that's just just

 

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hunting in general U got to keep got to

 

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get to that next Generation involved and

 

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and and keep it going that's for sure uh

 

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but talk about these last couple weeks

 

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there you guys know you went out on I've

 

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seen you went out on two two short trips

 

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and they were extremely productive one

 

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out with your buddy Nick and then um I

 

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think it was just this past weekend I

 

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know you mentioned before you talked

 

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about hunting public land were both

 

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trips just out on public land yeah 95%

 

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of my hunts are on public land uhuh yep

 

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are they Utah Utah hunts or some Utah

 

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Idaho Nevada we're I live an hour from

 

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Idaho two hours from

 

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Nevada and 45 minutes from Wyoming so we

 

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really have go

 

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Arms Reach yeah we can we can go

 

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anywhere so it's nice because you know

 

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you get on your Maps then you check the

 

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weather and wherever it's not as windy

 

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is where we head right right what about

 

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uh Utah does Utah does Utah still have

 

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the the Bounty for KY like a $50 Bounty

 

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they do un unfortunately and I say that

 

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only

 

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because as a season coyot hunter that

 

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I've been doing it this long we've

 

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noticed you know it's kind of working

 

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against them because everybody thinks

 

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they can go out and make 250 bucks in a

 

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weekend and they go drive around with

 

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the call out the window and you know

 

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they just get super call shy and I think

 

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it's just made it harder for the guys

 

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that are pounding it like we do and but

 

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it makes us better callers too so right

 

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it it's kind of hard to hunt pressured

 

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coyotes with a bounty on them it gets

 

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hard oh I can I can I can definitely

 

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imagine I mean more hunting pressures

 

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put on them I mean that's just the

 

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that's just the end result and it

 

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doesn't matter if you're the one putting

 

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the pressure on there if you're or if

 

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you're having help so it definitely

 

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definitely makes a difference but uh

 

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about the Bounty how how do you collect

 

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it how do you prove that you kill a cow

 

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you have to take the whole carcass in

 

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you cutting tips of ears off you not how

 

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do they how do you keep up with that and

 

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how do they how do they pay on that so

 

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when it started out um what you did is

 

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they you just printed off a form you had

 

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to sign up and take a little course it

 

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kind of gave you a predator ID number

 

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and you print off the paperwork and if

 

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you shot a coyote you know you'd write

 

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down the coordinates T how you killed if

 

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it was trapped or shot um and then you

 

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would just make an appointment with the

 

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dwr DNR and you'd go turn them in and

 

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you'd have to bring in you'd scalp the

 

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ears on you know the skull cap and then

 

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you have to bring the lower jaw and you

 

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tie those all together and write down if

 

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that was a male or female and just keep

 

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them all organized and tagged and bring

 

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them in um at one point I think I

 

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brought in 15 twice and then after a

 

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certain amount you get taxed on it so it

 

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was like oh yeah yeah oh yeah like I'm

 

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doing the state of favor and then they

 

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going to tax you on it

 

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so it was kind of a a wash you know but

 

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by the time you throw in fuel and

 

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bullets and but you never win on that

 

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but and then they went to a new system

 

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where on that tax deal maybe you can

 

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holler a bid and he'll help you out on

 

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that I'm sure he's a ky hunting fan oh

 

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yeah I'm sure he's got Fox bro hunting

 

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TV you know yeah going on his Amazon

 

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account all the time but I'm sure but

 

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the Biden bucks they just don't stretch

 

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long enough for that fuel um so yeah

 

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about him that's the whole another

 

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podcast yeah this is a different that's

 

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a different type of podcast

 

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there yeah so but went to a different

 

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system on the Bounty where you have to

 

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download their app and they want to have

 

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you take a picture which geocaches your

 

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location and you know how that goes I

 

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don't feel comfortable with all the

 

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spots that I go out and Scout or you

 

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know if we're with Rusty or Nick or

 

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whoever we don't need the state guys

 

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coming in behind us when they got our

 

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location hey I know exactly what you're

 

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saying we you seen that you actually

 

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texted me there a few weeks ago I was at

 

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in Wyoming we was turkey hunting and I

 

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found we found a we found a dead head

 

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found a whole carcass you know of a

 

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pretty pretty nice bull elk oh that elk

 

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yeah yeah well there you can't just pick

 

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up at dead head and March out of there

 

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you got to get a you know I don't know

 

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what they call it a Interstate tag or or

 

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whatever it is yeah to collect that head

 

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carcass tag whatever so anyway we

 

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stopped by the fishing game office and

 

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brother walked in there and said hey you

 

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know we found this what we need to do

 

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about about getting it we just took a

 

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picture in you know or my brother did

 

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and they said well you got to call the

 

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you know your county game Ard or

 

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whatever I can't and don't quote me on

 

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all this because I can't remember all

 

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the exact de details but he did had to

 

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get in touch with the game or was a game

 

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Ard there and that was one of the things

 

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that send coordinates of where you found

 

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the the dead head or whatever the

 

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carcass and I Phil I said uh you know we

 

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killed turkeys in there that

 

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morning I told Phil I said you need to

 

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double check about this game Bo and see

 

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if he's a turkey hunter or not I don't

 

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want him finding our turkey hunting

 

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spot you know how competitive it is for

 

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I don't trust this guy with my turkey

 

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hunting

 

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coordinates sir I don't want him going

 

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there coling that's our spot exactly

 

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yeah so it went it went to that system

 

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and I

 

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just I haven't turned any in I just I'm

 

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just not about it I'll still hunt Utah

 

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and help the the me deer here and F and

 

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stuff but it's just not for me to to

 

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turn them in anymore it's just not worth

 

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my time and to deal with it and yeah a

 

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little bit more involved in than I

 

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thought I didn't realize you had to

 

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actually scalp the top of the head with

 

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including both ears and then take the

 

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bottom jaw as well um I've heard of like

 

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certain counties and other states that

 

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have they'll do a bounty I never heard

 

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of one that's 50 bucks see like

 

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something like 20 or 25 and you just cut

 

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like take a pair of ears in like you

 

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just cut the tip of the ears off or

 

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something so so it's kind of interesting

 

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yeah it's still 50 bucks and and don't

 

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get me wrong there's guys that go out

 

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into it and I just found for me it's I

 

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don't know I just didn't care to deal

 

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with the with the new coordinates thing

 

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and so well I mean it's uh you're not

 

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you're not coyote hunting that's not the

 

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reason you're coyote hunting anyway I

 

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mean exactly not saying I mean 50 Buck

 

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50 bucks is 50 bucks I mean I ain't

 

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saying that but you're not hunting

 

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coyotes to I mean you do it because you

 

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love it not because the state's paying

 

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you for each Co that's just a bonus so

 

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it is for

 

0:11:08.800,0:11:17.480

sure so so public land public land

 

0:11:13.360,0:11:20.120

hunting mostly and I know you do night

 

0:11:17.480,0:11:22.200

hunting and day hunting which I know all

 

0:11:20.120,0:11:25.680

those states don't allow the night

 

0:11:22.200,0:11:28.079

hunting but uh right uh Utah allows n

 

0:11:25.680,0:11:31.120

hunting is that correct they do in

 

0:11:28.079,0:11:33.360

certain counties and it's mainly on

 

0:11:31.120,0:11:35.600

private ground and you have to notify

 

0:11:33.360,0:11:37.480

the sheriff that you're going to be

 

0:11:35.600,0:11:39.440

discharging a firearm and I think they

 

0:11:37.480,0:11:42.320

just like to know in case folks call in

 

0:11:39.440,0:11:45.360

and say they heard something and um but

 

0:11:42.320,0:11:47.160

yeah it's I think there's a few counties

 

0:11:45.360,0:11:48.560

down south kind of where John bear lives

 

0:11:47.160,0:11:51.440

where you can actually get a red light

 

0:11:48.560,0:11:53.800

permit okay but it varies County to

 

0:11:51.440,0:11:55.320

County state to state like Nevada

 

0:11:53.800,0:11:58.680

there's only certain counties you can

 

0:11:55.320,0:12:00.720

night hunt in um and you really got to

 

0:11:58.680,0:12:02.399

know because because they got I think

 

0:12:00.720,0:12:05.360

they got like 11 counties you can hunt

 

0:12:02.399,0:12:07.480

in and a few others that you can't so

 

0:12:05.360,0:12:10.560

you got to know the laws in every state

 

0:12:07.480,0:12:12.920

to go and like Wyoming I think they're

 

0:12:10.560,0:12:15.199

turning on their thermal stuff and like

 

0:12:12.920,0:12:19.240

their law is you got to have an IR

 

0:12:15.199,0:12:21.760

beacon on you that oh really I knew they

 

0:12:19.240,0:12:23.880

I knew they had a uh you know it's been

 

0:12:21.760,0:12:26.639

in for I don't know how long but a

 

0:12:23.880,0:12:29.519

little bit for you could night hunt on

 

0:12:26.639,0:12:31.920

private ground with land landowner per

 

0:12:29.519,0:12:34.160

but yeah recently they've opened it up

 

0:12:31.920,0:12:36.040

to and like I said don't quote me on

 

0:12:34.160,0:12:37.880

other stuff cuz I'm I don't know the

 

0:12:36.040,0:12:39.399

rigs for sure on it night hunting out

 

0:12:37.880,0:12:42.480

there but what is I think they're pretty

 

0:12:39.399,0:12:45.480

much open it up to what BLM and state

 

0:12:42.480,0:12:47.880

and everything now I think I think so I

 

0:12:45.480,0:12:49.040

haven't personally read anything yet you

 

0:12:47.880,0:12:51.639

know they I think they were going to

 

0:12:49.040,0:12:53.600

pass it at the first of the year but I

 

0:12:51.639,0:12:56.760

just haven't researched it and and

 

0:12:53.600,0:12:59.600

saying that I don't even know exactly if

 

0:12:56.760,0:13:02.720

it's actually in now or not know that

 

0:12:59.600,0:13:04.320

was the rumor coming up so right I know

 

0:13:02.720,0:13:06.320

Bernie called them and they said you're

 

0:13:04.320,0:13:09.760

going to have to have the IR beacon on

 

0:13:06.320,0:13:11.880

you and they're going to shut it down um

 

0:13:09.760,0:13:14.760

when big game hunt starts so basically

 

0:13:11.880,0:13:17.519

all of first season September one I

 

0:13:14.760,0:13:21.120

think is into December 31st you can't

 

0:13:17.519,0:13:23.480

night hunt right public ground is what I

 

0:13:21.120,0:13:26.199

was told so that M that makes total

 

0:13:23.480,0:13:28.639

sense cuz I've been out in like Wyoming

 

0:13:26.199,0:13:31.279

and uh going out there for you know the

 

0:13:28.639,0:13:32.639

call CS film Co hunts all that type of

 

0:13:31.279,0:13:34.839

stuff and you go out there in that

 

0:13:32.639,0:13:36.680

September October time frame and you're

 

0:13:34.839,0:13:39.000

plan on hunting some public stuff you

 

0:13:36.680,0:13:40.560

are going to see big game Hunters you're

 

0:13:39.000,0:13:42.000

either going to be seeing analou Hunters

 

0:13:40.560,0:13:44.240

Deer Hunters Elk Hunters you're going to

 

0:13:42.000,0:13:46.360

be seeing something so I it totally

 

0:13:44.240,0:13:48.199

makes sense understand and there's a

 

0:13:46.360,0:13:49.920

bunch of them out there bunch of hunters

 

0:13:48.199,0:13:52.639

go to Wyoming big

 

0:13:49.920,0:13:54.480

destination we call it the orange Army

 

0:13:52.639,0:13:56.279

the orange Army I tell you I don't know

 

0:13:54.480,0:13:59.079

what it is

 

0:13:56.279,0:14:01.279

and if you go out there like in o

 

0:13:59.079,0:14:03.560

October especially like end of September

 

0:14:01.279,0:14:05.959

early October you go k calling on some

 

0:14:03.560,0:14:07.759

of this BLM stuff you're going to see a

 

0:14:05.959,0:14:09.160

lot of that orange vest out there and

 

0:14:07.759,0:14:10.839

you when you go byy their vehicles when

 

0:14:09.160,0:14:12.279

you driving those like two tracks or out

 

0:14:10.839,0:14:14.279

on the county roads or whatever going

 

0:14:12.279,0:14:17.000

through it seems like almost every one

 

0:14:14.279,0:14:19.279

of them is from westconsin I always tell

 

0:14:17.000,0:14:22.079

say how does how did all these people

 

0:14:19.279,0:14:24.440

from Wisconsin find these these areas

 

0:14:22.079,0:14:26.639

what what is it about Wisconsin coming

 

0:14:24.440,0:14:28.240

to Wyoming and analou hunting I mean

 

0:14:26.639,0:14:29.880

I'll see more people from Wisconsin

 

0:14:28.240,0:14:33.199

analou hunting I will people from

 

0:14:29.880,0:14:34.639

Wyoming yep yep we got a we got a elk

 

0:14:33.199,0:14:36.639

hunting spot here that's over the

 

0:14:34.639,0:14:38.560

counter and there's a family that comes

 

0:14:36.639,0:14:40.839

from Illinois every year and they bring

 

0:14:38.560,0:14:42.880

I always see the Illinois Bunch huh it

 

0:14:40.839,0:14:45.639

was four people at first and then it

 

0:14:42.880,0:14:48.440

turned into like I swear it was 30 like

 

0:14:45.639,0:14:51.680

four big toy haulers full of people and

 

0:14:48.440,0:14:54.440

it's just it's getting crazy like they

 

0:14:51.680,0:14:56.279

you know sometimes it seems aggravating

 

0:14:54.440,0:14:58.120

but that's good you know we was talking

 

0:14:56.279,0:15:01.120

about just a minute ago about how it's

 

0:14:58.120,0:15:03.600

kind of uh hunting hunting in general is

 

0:15:01.120,0:15:05.800

kind of a dying sport well it's good to

 

0:15:03.600,0:15:07.240

see guys you know people traveling and

 

0:15:05.800,0:15:09.519

going and going to other states and

 

0:15:07.240,0:15:11.440

enjoying Outdoors so I I think it's

 

0:15:09.519,0:15:12.839

sometimes it can be like man this is my

 

0:15:11.440,0:15:14.240

spot what are you doing here get out of

 

0:15:12.839,0:15:15.959

here you know you might be thinking in

 

0:15:14.240,0:15:17.360

your head but it's actually good it's

 

0:15:15.959,0:15:20.240

it's good to see people getting out

 

0:15:17.360,0:15:24.120

enjoying enjoying Outdoors but hey let's

 

0:15:20.240,0:15:25.959

get back right right let's uh let's get

 

0:15:24.120,0:15:28.759

right back to the get back into the

 

0:15:25.959,0:15:29.920

coyote call and stuff there you know I

 

0:15:28.759,0:15:31.519

know you've been hunting quite a bit

 

0:15:29.920,0:15:33.279

lately and I know you do hunt in the

 

0:15:31.519,0:15:36.040

winter but I just got to ask you I mean

 

0:15:33.279,0:15:38.040

are you a are you a year round coyote

 

0:15:36.040,0:15:40.000

caller Richie I mean is there any times

 

0:15:38.040,0:15:41.800

that you like say you just take off like

 

0:15:40.000,0:15:44.519

a self-imposed this is you know I'm

 

0:15:41.800,0:15:46.199

taking off this month a Coy calling or

 

0:15:44.519,0:15:50.600

season or water are you pretty much just

 

0:15:46.199,0:15:53.680

year round I am year round I I get Cabin

 

0:15:50.600,0:15:57.040

Fever really quick so right 3 to five

 

0:15:53.680,0:15:58.800

days in in the house and my wife knows

 

0:15:57.040,0:16:00.240

I'm hitting the Sage Brush at some point

 

0:15:58.800,0:16:05.720

that

 

0:16:00.240,0:16:08.279

and it's 365 day and night um I never

 

0:16:05.720,0:16:10.680

really thought I'd be a thermal Hunter

 

0:16:08.279,0:16:12.759

and and it's just another tool in the

 

0:16:10.680,0:16:14.959

shed if the day Colin's not good the

 

0:16:12.759,0:16:16.240

thermal one seems to be and vice versa

 

0:16:14.959,0:16:19.000

so

 

0:16:16.240,0:16:22.639

right you guys always say you know you

 

0:16:19.000,0:16:25.120

hunt when you can and the cost of fuel

 

0:16:22.639,0:16:26.560

to get out there alone you don't want to

 

0:16:25.120,0:16:28.560

turn around and come back when the Sun

 

0:16:26.560,0:16:32.480

goes down so we we've actually lately

 

0:16:28.560,0:16:34.440

been getting off work driving out get a

 

0:16:32.480,0:16:37.720

couple night or day stands in before the

 

0:16:34.440,0:16:39.800

sun drops cutie mounts on the thermal

 

0:16:37.720,0:16:41.880

clip them on and go you know till the

 

0:16:39.800,0:16:44.759

sun comes up and and we hunt until it

 

0:16:41.880,0:16:46.639

gets hot and then come back or sometimes

 

0:16:44.759,0:16:47.920

we try to do a two three dayer you know

 

0:16:46.639,0:16:49.519

those are the most productive because

 

0:16:47.920,0:16:52.399

there's always a window of time that we

 

0:16:49.519,0:16:54.240

found in about three days there's an

 

0:16:52.399,0:16:58.120

eight hour window where it seems like

 

0:16:54.240,0:16:59.480

they just they turn on and there's no

 

0:16:58.120,0:17:01.959

Rhyme or Reason

 

0:16:59.480,0:17:05.000

but it seems like when they're on it's

 

0:17:01.959,0:17:07.160

six to eight hours and it's every stand

 

0:17:05.000,0:17:08.880

right in a three-day period so right and

 

0:17:07.160,0:17:11.760

that can go whether it's daytime or

 

0:17:08.880,0:17:14.520

nighttime is what you're saying

 

0:17:11.760,0:17:18.360

right so that's kind of what that's what

 

0:17:14.520,0:17:20.880

brings Richie out at in the dark hours

 

0:17:18.360,0:17:23.240

is if the coyotes are calling Richie

 

0:17:20.880,0:17:26.480

Richie wants to be out there with them

 

0:17:23.240,0:17:29.039

you ain't lying okay it's one of those

 

0:17:26.480,0:17:32.440

things where you get an hour of sleep in

 

0:17:29.039,0:17:35.600

truck on some of trips and you know I

 

0:17:32.440,0:17:38.520

think me and Rusty did a 48 hour contest

 

0:17:35.600,0:17:40.720

that was out of Oregon my gosh years ago

 

0:17:38.520,0:17:44.520

and we slept like two and a half hours

 

0:17:40.720,0:17:46.200

in 48 hours oh my gosh and we killed 22

 

0:17:44.520,0:17:50.240

coyotes it was the most CS ever brought

 

0:17:46.200,0:17:53.080

into this this contest and I mean it was

 

0:17:50.240,0:17:55.039

intense and we were exhausted good grief

 

0:17:53.080,0:17:58.440

I guarantee don't ever be asking John

 

0:17:55.039,0:18:00.799

Collins to go do that 48 hours straight

 

0:17:58.440,0:18:02.400

it was brutal but they were and we were

 

0:18:00.799,0:18:04.440

it was in the rain and they were calling

 

0:18:02.400,0:18:06.159

awesome well it sounds like it 22 is

 

0:18:04.440,0:18:08.280

pretty good number I mean you'd have to

 

0:18:06.159,0:18:11.000

like say i' gonna be shooting like 82

 

0:18:08.280,0:18:13.240

before I'd even consider it but it's I'm

 

0:18:11.000,0:18:14.919

just I'm iy I I'll be the first one to

 

0:18:13.240,0:18:16.440

minute I'm a little lazy sometimes right

 

0:18:14.919,0:18:18.400

now I'm feeling lazy I just got back

 

0:18:16.440,0:18:21.960

from Kansas and I'm

 

0:18:18.400,0:18:26.240

tired I bet that's a clip that's a long

 

0:18:21.960,0:18:28.240

trip but that uh that 40 48 hours that

 

0:18:26.240,0:18:29.799

is a that is a grind right there and

 

0:18:28.240,0:18:32.640

sounds like y hit it just right to kill

 

0:18:29.799,0:18:34.960

22 coyotes it's pretty it's pretty good

 

0:18:32.640,0:18:37.400

it was awesome we've had some really

 

0:18:34.960,0:18:41.440

good hunts together hey and speaking of

 

0:18:37.400,0:18:44.880

like um like those 48 hour deals or just

 

0:18:41.440,0:18:46.679

comparing like day versus night U what

 

0:18:44.880,0:18:48.640

are you doing what is you are do you

 

0:18:46.679,0:18:52.159

have any differences in like your stand

 

0:18:48.640,0:18:54.880

set up if you're calling uh day versus

 

0:18:52.159,0:18:56.679

night and and one thing to mention on

 

0:18:54.880,0:18:59.320

this this podcast just to remind

 

0:18:56.679,0:19:02.400

everybody Richie is mainly a West Hunter

 

0:18:59.320,0:19:04.200

you know he's hunting Utah Wyoming Idaho

 

0:19:02.400,0:19:06.240

Nevada those type of States you're

 

0:19:04.200,0:19:08.200

mainly hunting like I know you hunt some

 

0:19:06.240,0:19:09.880

private Farm country type stuff but

 

0:19:08.200,0:19:11.720

you're hunting a lot of Sage Brush

 

0:19:09.880,0:19:14.600

Country like High Desert type stuff and

 

0:19:11.720,0:19:16.320

everything like that so um is there any

 

0:19:14.600,0:19:19.400

difference or and what are the

 

0:19:16.320,0:19:21.760

differences in your daytime stand set up

 

0:19:19.400,0:19:23.080

stuff versus nighttime you know daytime

 

0:19:21.760,0:19:24.640

versus nighttime what are you doing

 

0:19:23.080,0:19:26.360

different besides the obvious with the

 

0:19:24.640,0:19:29.320

thermal at

 

0:19:26.360,0:19:32.159

night that's good question so

 

0:19:29.320,0:19:34.000

in the daytime I prefer you know the

 

0:19:32.159,0:19:37.000

thicker patches of stuff a little bit

 

0:19:34.000,0:19:39.039

Rolling Hills mixed with yellow grass

 

0:19:37.000,0:19:40.480

and I don't really care if it's too

 

0:19:39.039,0:19:43.039

thick you know we we'll get in there

 

0:19:40.480,0:19:45.640

with the shotguns if we have to in the

 

0:19:43.039,0:19:48.480

night time we prefer a little more open

 

0:19:45.640,0:19:50.120

ground so you can see what's coming um

 

0:19:48.480,0:19:53.559

daytime I'll keep the call a little

 

0:19:50.120,0:19:57.960

further from me you know 30 to 60 yards

 

0:19:53.559,0:20:00.320

at night it's still up wind and it's

 

0:19:57.960,0:20:04.240

definitely in site you know sometimes

 

0:20:00.320,0:20:05.600

it's right there at feet depending on

 

0:20:04.240,0:20:09.000

the layout of the ground and how the

 

0:20:05.600,0:20:12.159

winds blowing right and and the big

 

0:20:09.000,0:20:14.919

major difference that I prefer or have

 

0:20:12.159,0:20:16.840

noticed is I don't need to call as loud

 

0:20:14.919,0:20:19.799

at night your sound carries a lot

 

0:20:16.840,0:20:23.440

further so I almost cut my volume down

 

0:20:19.799,0:20:26.760

in half at night oh really that's that's

 

0:20:23.440,0:20:28.799

that's that's a nice little nugget there

 

0:20:26.760,0:20:32.000

yeah it's very easy to blow them out

 

0:20:28.799,0:20:35.799

it's you know if you go start out at

 

0:20:32.000,0:20:41.480

32 you know I always just cut it down at

 

0:20:35.799,0:20:44.320

night and unless now this is like unless

 

0:20:41.480,0:20:46.960

the stands are always the same that

 

0:20:44.320,0:20:48.200

night if we're starting out at 25 the

 

0:20:46.960,0:20:50.640

volume or

 

0:20:48.200,0:20:53.159

26 and they're coming I'm not changing

 

0:20:50.640,0:20:55.080

the thing oh right yeah if the formula

 

0:20:53.159,0:20:58.039

is working keep running with it right

 

0:20:55.080,0:20:59.760

yeah right so until you find that recipe

 

0:20:58.039,0:21:03.000

that's working for the day and it can

 

0:20:59.760,0:21:07.480

change very quickly just keep running it

 

0:21:03.000,0:21:11.640

don't change it uh any differences in um

 

0:21:07.480,0:21:13.960

rifle setup or or anything like that day

 

0:21:11.640,0:21:17.080

versus night like where you

 

0:21:13.960,0:21:19.640

run you know AR platform all the time I

 

0:21:17.080,0:21:21.200

know you run both bolt guns and AR you

 

0:21:19.640,0:21:23.360

do you run a AR at night and a Bool gun

 

0:21:21.200,0:21:27.159

during the day or is there is there any

 

0:21:23.360,0:21:29.000

difference for you with that I never I

 

0:21:27.159,0:21:35.120

don't prefer to run a bolt gun night I

 

0:21:29.000,0:21:37.960

run AR10 um six Creed more and we run QD

 

0:21:35.120,0:21:39.559

mounts on our day Scopes and thermals

 

0:21:37.960,0:21:41.000

and if you put them in the same slots

 

0:21:39.559,0:21:43.200

and drop them in and clip them keep

 

0:21:41.000,0:21:45.799

everything the same it's nine times out

 

0:21:43.200,0:21:48.440

of 10 they stay zeroed and And We Just

 

0:21:45.799,0:21:50.640

Go With It um I'd be that one time out

 

0:21:48.440,0:21:50.640

of

 

0:21:51.159,0:21:59.039

10 with a triple rolling

 

0:21:54.640,0:22:02.080

in with the difference is um what was I

 

0:21:59.039,0:22:02.080

gonna say

 

0:22:02.200,0:22:07.960

uh I like running the AR at night

 

0:22:04.919,0:22:09.720

because the thermal you can stay on them

 

0:22:07.960,0:22:12.159

if you have multiples coming

 

0:22:09.720,0:22:15.080

in another round and your eyes coming

 

0:22:12.159,0:22:17.240

out of the scope yep and it's just

 

0:22:15.080,0:22:20.039

faster you know to get back on the

 

0:22:17.240,0:22:21.760

second one or third one or a follow-up

 

0:22:20.039,0:22:25.559

shot if you whiff it you know that

 

0:22:21.760,0:22:28.000

happens so when when you're on your day

 

0:22:25.559,0:22:30.159

stands versus nightstands I mean I'm

 

0:22:28.000,0:22:31.799

assuming day stands you're you're almost

 

0:22:30.159,0:22:33.120

always sitting directly on the ground

 

0:22:31.799,0:22:34.320

and then on your night stands do you

 

0:22:33.120,0:22:36.559

still sit on the ground or you all

 

0:22:34.320,0:22:38.240

standing you know up on elevated tripods

 

0:22:36.559,0:22:39.799

or what's the difference here or is

 

0:22:38.240,0:22:41.159

there any difference or does it depend

 

0:22:39.799,0:22:43.799

on lay of the

 

0:22:41.159,0:22:46.039

ground when in day hunting we usually

 

0:22:43.799,0:22:49.600

sit on the ground in in chairs that are

 

0:22:46.039,0:22:53.080

on the ground and then depending on the

 

0:22:49.600,0:22:54.919

Moonlight um sometimes we will sit at

 

0:22:53.080,0:22:57.360

night you know we'll go a chair and get

 

0:22:54.919,0:22:59.720

the fat boy tripods out and yep you know

 

0:22:57.360,0:23:03.400

bring them down but I like to

 

0:22:59.720,0:23:05.799

stand as much as I can but even at night

 

0:23:03.400,0:23:08.520

um even if it's pitch black I still

 

0:23:05.799,0:23:10.600

prefer a back drop behind me right right

 

0:23:08.520,0:23:13.120

bre up my Silhouette a lot of people

 

0:23:10.600,0:23:15.840

don't think it matters I think if I can

 

0:23:13.120,0:23:17.600

get any advantage that I can I'll try it

 

0:23:15.840,0:23:20.600

you know you got guys out there not

 

0:23:17.600,0:23:22.799

wearing camo cool if if they're killing

 

0:23:20.600,0:23:25.640

them cool but I want every advantage

 

0:23:22.799,0:23:28.120

against a coyo they're they're smart

 

0:23:25.640,0:23:29.559

they adapt to everything you do and I

 

0:23:28.120,0:23:31.279

think you thermal hunting is going to

 

0:23:29.559,0:23:33.400

get harder you know what I mean oh

 

0:23:31.279,0:23:36.200

definitely definitely well I I wanted to

 

0:23:33.400,0:23:37.880

ask you cuz I I just wondered because

 

0:23:36.200,0:23:40.679

you know probably over 90% of the nigh

 

0:23:37.880,0:23:42.520

Hunters I know they they're standing you

 

0:23:40.679,0:23:44.480

know standing on elevated tripods just

 

0:23:42.520,0:23:45.919

standing out wherever I shouldn't say

 

0:23:44.480,0:23:48.880

wherever but you know they're they're

 

0:23:45.919,0:23:51.080

standing on these nightstands and I

 

0:23:48.880,0:23:52.840

talked to Jeremy nickel not too long ago

 

0:23:51.080,0:23:54.720

and he he said you know hey I most time

 

0:23:52.840,0:23:56.159

I'm sitting you know I'm sitting daytime

 

0:23:54.720,0:23:57.559

I'm sitting night time that's what I

 

0:23:56.159,0:24:00.159

like to do and I thought that was pretty

 

0:23:57.559,0:24:01.679

interesting him talk about that so

 

0:24:00.159,0:24:04.360

that's why I wanted to ask you that see

 

0:24:01.679,0:24:06.000

what your take was on it right and I

 

0:24:04.360,0:24:08.559

don't know what kind of ground he's

 

0:24:06.000,0:24:12.520

hunting but we hunt a lot of thick Sage

 

0:24:08.559,0:24:15.640

Brush yeah so it's really hard to see at

 

0:24:12.520,0:24:17.960

night I'm sitting down but if we have to

 

0:24:15.640,0:24:21.640

we will it's we will do anything it

 

0:24:17.960,0:24:23.400

takes to get them get them handled when

 

0:24:21.640,0:24:25.720

when you you started out day hunting

 

0:24:23.400,0:24:28.399

correct I mean absolutely yep day

 

0:24:25.720,0:24:30.200

hunting was there uh what was the trans

 

0:24:28.399,0:24:32.240

transition like from you going from

 

0:24:30.200,0:24:34.200

daytime hunting to nighttime hunting did

 

0:24:32.240,0:24:35.880

you have a rough transition or when you

 

0:24:34.200,0:24:37.520

just switched over to nighttime hunting

 

0:24:35.880,0:24:39.559

you just started slaughtering them or

 

0:24:37.520,0:24:41.640

was it just the same either way or or

 

0:24:39.559,0:24:44.960

did you have any Growing Pains I guess

 

0:24:41.640,0:24:48.159

would be the be the question there is

 

0:24:44.960,0:24:51.159

definitely a lot of um a learning curve

 

0:24:48.159,0:24:52.880

to it um there's guys back East like you

 

0:24:51.159,0:24:55.320

know Kyle crickenberger and those guys

 

0:24:52.880,0:24:57.600

hey I just I just talked to Kyle

 

0:24:55.320,0:25:01.480

crickenberger 10 minutes before I called

 

0:24:57.600,0:25:04.399

you buddy they make it look easy yeah

 

0:25:01.480,0:25:08.080

well those boys know what's going on and

 

0:25:04.399,0:25:10.360

he's arguably Kyle crickenberger and his

 

0:25:08.080,0:25:13.919

partners that he's done his contest with

 

0:25:10.360,0:25:16.840

over the years Benton Bowman you know

 

0:25:13.919,0:25:19.600

Jamie Terry Dayton far all those guys I

 

0:25:16.840,0:25:23.000

mean you're arguably talking about the

 

0:25:19.600,0:25:25.159

best to ever do it you know um not to

 

0:25:23.000,0:25:28.480

get on a tangent here

 

0:25:25.159,0:25:30.440

but Kyle is worth mentioning Kyle CRI

 

0:25:28.480,0:25:32.279

ber you know he's there a few years ago

 

0:25:30.440,0:25:34.279

they did the US Predator challenge where

 

0:25:32.279,0:25:35.919

you had to hunt three different legs

 

0:25:34.279,0:25:38.159

it's total different in like the world

 

0:25:35.919,0:25:41.559

you know everybody thinks worlds when it

 

0:25:38.159,0:25:43.720

comes to Coy hunting which was a premier

 

0:25:41.559,0:25:45.919

hunting contest calling contest for

 

0:25:43.720,0:25:48.480

years uh but it's still just a western

 

0:25:45.919,0:25:50.760

hunting contest but this Us Predator

 

0:25:48.480,0:25:53.760

challenge you had to hunt the big

 

0:25:50.760,0:25:55.399

Eastern which was the Eastern leg for uh

 

0:25:53.760,0:25:57.120

for coyes and then you had to hunt a

 

0:25:55.399,0:25:59.679

Midwestern leg and then you had to hunt

 

0:25:57.120,0:26:01.840

a western contest as well and it went on

 

0:25:59.679,0:26:04.360

a point system but anyway only did it

 

0:26:01.840,0:26:06.640

that one year but um Kyle crickenberger

 

0:26:04.360,0:26:08.960

and bitt Bowman's the ones that won that

 

0:26:06.640,0:26:11.360

that's pretty impressive that's that was

 

0:26:08.960,0:26:13.360

how Morris's contest I hope he put it on

 

0:26:11.360,0:26:15.760

again sometime that was really intense

 

0:26:13.360,0:26:17.440

and cool it was great idea I mean that's

 

0:26:15.760,0:26:19.720

when you know what kind of separates the

 

0:26:17.440,0:26:21.880

men from the boys so to speak you know

 

0:26:19.720,0:26:24.640

you got these guys that only hunt night

 

0:26:21.880,0:26:26.480

in the East and you got guys only hunt

 

0:26:24.640,0:26:29.240

daytime in the west and you know

 

0:26:26.480,0:26:31.000

whatever else or vice versa well if you

 

0:26:29.240,0:26:35.320

want to you know if you want to do that

 

0:26:31.000,0:26:36.919

hunt and in place or win it you going

 

0:26:35.320,0:26:38.640

have do it all it's not just Eastern

 

0:26:36.919,0:26:40.600

hunting it's not just m Western hunting

 

0:26:38.640,0:26:42.360

it's not just Western hunting you do all

 

0:26:40.600,0:26:44.279

three legs and you better do good in all

 

0:26:42.360,0:26:46.520

three legs if you want to win it yeah

 

0:26:44.279,0:26:49.880

props to those guys they they definitely

 

0:26:46.520,0:26:51.559

got that night game down and and I like

 

0:26:49.880,0:26:52.960

I said there is a learning curve to it

 

0:26:51.559,0:26:55.360

and it it's probably a little different

 

0:26:52.960,0:26:58.480

back in East and it is out here in the

 

0:26:55.360,0:27:01.240

west I'm sure I'm sure but it did it

 

0:26:58.480,0:27:04.320

took me I've only been night hunting for

 

0:27:01.240,0:27:06.240

probably I'll say six years I got

 

0:27:04.320,0:27:08.399

invited to go do the Nevada state

 

0:27:06.240,0:27:10.720

24-hour hunt with some friends they had

 

0:27:08.399,0:27:13.600

a spot open and they let me borrow a

 

0:27:10.720,0:27:17.000

thermal and I'm not even joking

 

0:27:13.600,0:27:19.520

you in a month I had to have a thermal

 

0:27:17.000,0:27:22.120

right right it just like okay I don't

 

0:27:19.520,0:27:24.760

have to go to bed I can still H and that

 

0:27:22.120,0:27:29.559

was the difference and it did I had to

 

0:27:24.760,0:27:31.720

go out and you so onx and hands down is

 

0:27:29.559,0:27:35.360

a is a lifesaver when it comes to night

 

0:27:31.720,0:27:37.720

hunting um even when I'm just scouting

 

0:27:35.360,0:27:39.600

day hunting if I see a spot that's wide

 

0:27:37.720,0:27:42.320

open I'm dropping a waypoint there and

 

0:27:39.600,0:27:45.440

I'm changing the color you know on my on

 

0:27:42.320,0:27:49.200

my PIN to to dark to to signify hey this

 

0:27:45.440,0:27:52.519

probably good nightstand so yeah use

 

0:27:49.200,0:27:55.159

your time out there for day or night and

 

0:27:52.519,0:27:57.559

just try to get as much Recon done that

 

0:27:55.159,0:27:59.559

you can for yourself and that's paid off

 

0:27:57.559,0:28:01.200

for me as part of learning is just

 

0:27:59.559,0:28:05.120

dropping pins for a ground and what

 

0:28:01.200,0:28:08.039

looks good at night and um yeah just in

 

0:28:05.120,0:28:09.760

gear you know which tripod is better

 

0:28:08.039,0:28:12.279

than what what's more

 

0:28:09.760,0:28:13.840

sturdy how to get in the truck even just

 

0:28:12.279,0:28:15.880

the layout of your truck of how you

 

0:28:13.840,0:28:18.200

stack gear you know how to get

 

0:28:15.880,0:28:21.399

consistently faster and more stands in

 

0:28:18.200,0:28:24.159

it all matters right so yeah I'm

 

0:28:21.399,0:28:26.919

starting to get consistent but I learn

 

0:28:24.159,0:28:28.880

every time I go out right right day day

 

0:28:26.919,0:28:31.640

or night you'll never learn at all

 

0:28:28.880,0:28:34.000

right when you uh when you switched over

 

0:28:31.640,0:28:37.760

T night hunting did you when you started

 

0:28:34.000,0:28:40.000

calling um did you I guess the question

 

0:28:37.760,0:28:42.960

I'm looking for here trying to ask you

 

0:28:40.000,0:28:44.480

is did you have trouble calling CS or

 

0:28:42.960,0:28:46.679

did you just start calling them in right

 

0:28:44.480,0:28:49.200

off the bat and you know I guess I'm

 

0:28:46.679,0:28:52.000

wondering cuz I've I've not done much of

 

0:28:49.200,0:28:54.000

it I have done a little bit just filming

 

0:28:52.000,0:28:56.640

and stuff which we've mentioned on here

 

0:28:54.000,0:28:58.320

before but you know I hear people talk

 

0:28:56.640,0:29:00.559

about they when they first switched over

 

0:28:58.320,0:29:02.440

they had struggle with the shooting part

 

0:29:00.559,0:29:04.679

you know they missed some Coy or they

 

0:29:02.440,0:29:07.039

had trouble figuring out how to how to

 

0:29:04.679,0:29:08.320

set a stand up how far to set a call out

 

0:29:07.039,0:29:10.039

and all that type of stuff you know they

 

0:29:08.320,0:29:11.799

might call coyotes in but they just

 

0:29:10.039,0:29:13.080

couldn't get close the deal because it

 

0:29:11.799,0:29:15.960

was just different from what they were

 

0:29:13.080,0:29:18.159

trying to do when they were mainly day

 

0:29:15.960,0:29:21.399

hunting I think the biggest difference

 

0:29:18.159,0:29:23.640

is at night your depth perceptions very

 

0:29:21.399,0:29:26.760

different and you're you're using a

 

0:29:23.640,0:29:28.679

digital call and a digital reticle and

 

0:29:26.760,0:29:31.120

stuff so judging

 

0:29:28.679,0:29:32.679

distance is very different than looking

 

0:29:31.120,0:29:34.720

through a day scope so that was one of

 

0:29:32.679,0:29:37.399

my bigger learning curves you know oh

 

0:29:34.720,0:29:38.840

that KY looks like he's at 100 yards you

 

0:29:37.399,0:29:40.440

pull the tri put it on him and pull the

 

0:29:38.840,0:29:45.640

trigger and you're like oh no that was

 

0:29:40.440,0:29:47.919

like 320 yeah you know so it wasn't easy

 

0:29:45.640,0:29:50.159

you know you don't just go out there and

 

0:29:47.919,0:29:53.120

turn the call on it and come running in

 

0:29:50.159,0:29:55.679

right well I see reason I ask it cuz I

 

0:29:53.120,0:29:57.679

see people around home and you know they

 

0:29:55.679,0:29:59.000

might be struggled day hunting and they

 

0:29:57.679,0:30:01.440

think if if they can just go get a

 

0:29:59.000,0:30:03.039

thermal that they'll just start killing

 

0:30:01.440,0:30:05.000

you know they might struggle to kill one

 

0:30:03.039,0:30:06.919

every two weeks which nothing wrong with

 

0:30:05.000,0:30:09.840

that I mean that's just how it is

 

0:30:06.919,0:30:11.320

sometimes but they some some sometimes

 

0:30:09.840,0:30:13.080

it seems like some people have that

 

0:30:11.320,0:30:14.360

mentality that they can just switch up

 

0:30:13.080,0:30:16.360

go get them a thermal then all a sudden

 

0:30:14.360,0:30:19.279

they're gonna start killing 20 every

 

0:30:16.360,0:30:21.919

week or two weeks it's easier it's not

 

0:30:19.279,0:30:23.519

easier it's just different right right

 

0:30:21.919,0:30:26.039

there's there's stuff you shouldn't do

 

0:30:23.519,0:30:28.799

and there's stuff that works and

 

0:30:26.039,0:30:30.440

honestly at night yes you can get away

 

0:30:28.799,0:30:33.919

with a little more things than you can

 

0:30:30.440,0:30:35.279

in the day as far as movement um talking

 

0:30:33.919,0:30:37.039

a little bit I mean you have to

 

0:30:35.279,0:30:39.080

communicate at night just to keep your

 

0:30:37.039,0:30:43.000

people safe

 

0:30:39.080,0:30:46.600

yep so what about the calling style ver

 

0:30:43.000,0:30:48.640

day versus night is there any change up

 

0:30:46.600,0:30:51.039

from that like you know say if you're on

 

0:30:48.640,0:30:53.200

one of those 48 hour hunts and it's

 

0:30:51.039,0:30:54.679

daylight hours and you've been calling

 

0:30:53.200,0:30:56.360

Coes and stuff and y'all been doing

 

0:30:54.679,0:30:58.960

pretty good fairly consistent and then

 

0:30:56.360,0:31:00.760

the not then the Sun drops and the moon

 

0:30:58.960,0:31:03.159

starts to come up does your calling

 

0:31:00.760,0:31:04.960

style as far as sequence sounds and

 

0:31:03.159,0:31:07.559

length of stand all that type of stuff

 

0:31:04.960,0:31:08.960

does it change just because it's darker

 

0:31:07.559,0:31:10.960

do you pretty much keep it the same

 

0:31:08.960,0:31:12.760

especially if the cows have been coming

 

0:31:10.960,0:31:14.960

during the day if they've been coming if

 

0:31:12.760,0:31:17.159

they've coming do not change a thing if

 

0:31:14.960,0:31:18.880

you go three to five stands and you

 

0:31:17.159,0:31:21.600

don't get nothing then you probably need

 

0:31:18.880,0:31:23.000

to start looking for a new recipe right

 

0:31:21.600,0:31:25.399

and the only difference like I said

 

0:31:23.000,0:31:28.120

earlier is at night I'll just drop my

 

0:31:25.399,0:31:30.639

volume down almost half and and see how

 

0:31:28.120,0:31:32.440

goes yep and that's been working for me

 

0:31:30.639,0:31:34.320

so pretty much just you change your

 

0:31:32.440,0:31:36.600

volume you won't actually change the

 

0:31:34.320,0:31:38.200

type of sounds or sequences or length of

 

0:31:36.600,0:31:41.279

stand or nothing like that it's just

 

0:31:38.200,0:31:43.440

mainly your volume it's you're changing

 

0:31:41.279,0:31:44.960

yep unless they're not coming then you

 

0:31:43.440,0:31:48.600

know I'll bump it

 

0:31:44.960,0:31:50.679

up four notches and hit another sound

 

0:31:48.600,0:31:52.440

and just fill it out and it depends on

 

0:31:50.679,0:31:54.760

the terrain if it's thicker brush

 

0:31:52.440,0:31:56.720

definitely go softer if it's wide open

 

0:31:54.760,0:31:59.360

country I don't mind going a little

 

0:31:56.720,0:32:01.200

louder right right

 

0:31:59.360,0:32:03.080

pretty good stuff well your your recent

 

0:32:01.200,0:32:05.279

KY hunts they've been they were daytime

 

0:32:03.080,0:32:07.840

hunts right yall was out decoy dogs and

 

0:32:05.279,0:32:09.399

Stu like that they've been mixed okay

 

0:32:07.840,0:32:10.960

mixed all right well tell us tell us

 

0:32:09.399,0:32:12.600

about your last two trips I know both of

 

0:32:10.960,0:32:14.519

them been pretty successful I mean how

 

0:32:12.600,0:32:16.600

many tell us about the first trip you

 

0:32:14.519,0:32:18.159

had there a couple weeks ago how many

 

0:32:16.600,0:32:20.440

how many coyes did y'all kill how many

 

0:32:18.159,0:32:25.320

coyes y'all put down all that type of

 

0:32:20.440,0:32:27.240

stuff okay so uh the last decent pile

 

0:32:25.320,0:32:28.639

was with Bernie and I think that was on

 

0:32:27.240,0:32:31.720

Wednesday

 

0:32:28.639,0:32:33.240

we went out and it was a get out there

 

0:32:31.720,0:32:36.919

clip our thermals on because it was

 

0:32:33.240,0:32:38.639

already dark and start hunting um the

 

0:32:36.919,0:32:39.760

sequence we've been running I'll give it

 

0:32:38.639,0:32:43.440

to you because

 

0:32:39.760,0:32:46.720

it's secr I want everybody to try it and

 

0:32:43.440,0:32:49.120

see all your secrets there's no secrets

 

0:32:46.720,0:32:51.320

that's the thing is it it changes so

 

0:32:49.120,0:32:53.880

it's really not a secret um but what's

 

0:32:51.320,0:32:57.200

been working it's been starting out the

 

0:32:53.880,0:33:00.039

stand with the mfk fireball is it happy

 

0:32:57.200,0:33:03.799

girl or big girl uh there's big girl

 

0:33:00.039,0:33:07.320

yeah yep big girl yeah Fireball H big

 

0:33:03.799,0:33:10.559

girl how um let that run through its its

 

0:33:07.320,0:33:13.559

cycle uh wait about a minute then I'd go

 

0:33:10.559,0:33:16.799

to the the old school Fox Pro female

 

0:33:13.559,0:33:18.840

coyote challenge yeah let that you know

 

0:33:16.799,0:33:22.840

kick off for about 45 seconds to a

 

0:33:18.840,0:33:27.279

minute wait maybe 30 seconds and I hit

 

0:33:22.840,0:33:30.279

the new Fox Pro uh KY pair challenge

 

0:33:27.279,0:33:34.799

kind of that challenge with that and

 

0:33:30.279,0:33:38.480

then I'd go right into mfk haow fight or

 

0:33:34.799,0:33:41.240

mfk fight challenge uhhuh let that run

 

0:33:38.480,0:33:44.480

and usually they were on their way by

 

0:33:41.240,0:33:46.760

then um and running us over and if I

 

0:33:44.480,0:33:49.600

heard them how and they didn't show up

 

0:33:46.760,0:33:52.880

to the fight I'd go right into Fox Pro

 

0:33:49.600,0:33:54.320

pup screams and it it was if they how

 

0:33:52.880,0:33:57.480

and pup screams was

 

0:33:54.320,0:33:59.480

playing just click the safety off right

 

0:33:57.480,0:34:01.240

right

 

0:33:59.480,0:34:03.279

hey just like when we was in Arizona as

 

0:34:01.240,0:34:07.600

soon as Al hit Lightning Jack what did I

 

0:34:03.279,0:34:09.480

do I got ready remember that oh yeah

 

0:34:07.600,0:34:12.760

when lightning Jack's playing pick the

 

0:34:09.480,0:34:15.000

safety up that's right they're

 

0:34:12.760,0:34:18.720

coming so how many how many cows did

 

0:34:15.000,0:34:20.320

y'all call uh we ended up calling eight

 

0:34:18.720,0:34:21.960

well we called in more than eight but we

 

0:34:20.320,0:34:25.440

got eight

 

0:34:21.960,0:34:28.599

yeah and then we went out two days ago I

 

0:34:25.440,0:34:32.399

played the same sequence um and we ended

 

0:34:28.599,0:34:35.000

up with five yep we had one we couldn't

 

0:34:32.399,0:34:38.320

find and that happens at night happens

 

0:34:35.000,0:34:41.240

during the day too especially Sage Brush

 

0:34:38.320,0:34:43.639

stuff um and usually that's just the

 

0:34:41.240,0:34:45.200

ones that are can still run pretty good

 

0:34:43.639,0:34:47.200

right we've been we've been bringing the

 

0:34:45.200,0:34:49.919

decoy dogs Nick bought some a really

 

0:34:47.200,0:34:53.040

nice dog um from a guy in Montana that

 

0:34:49.919,0:34:56.119

we know yep and he's been a complete

 

0:34:53.040,0:34:58.640

stud at finding stuff at night I mean

 

0:34:56.119,0:35:01.520

you almost get you almost get lazy but

 

0:34:58.640,0:35:05.400

it's cool to watch a dog do what it does

 

0:35:01.520,0:35:08.200

what it to do so we've been happy with

 

0:35:05.400,0:35:10.000

that um bring the dog they're a they're

 

0:35:08.200,0:35:11.520

an excellent tool you know especially

 

0:35:10.000,0:35:13.200

when it comes to Kow hunting stuff like

 

0:35:11.520,0:35:15.480

that if you know if they gonna go out

 

0:35:13.200,0:35:17.560

there and find them let them do it for

 

0:35:15.480,0:35:19.440

sure yeah it's good for them it's good

 

0:35:17.560,0:35:20.800

training and and that's the thing is

 

0:35:19.440,0:35:22.960

we've been having to get out more just

 

0:35:20.800,0:35:25.160

to get these dogs in front of coyotes oh

 

0:35:22.960,0:35:26.960

yeah that and that is a key that is key

 

0:35:25.160,0:35:29.560

for making a good decoy dog you got to

 

0:35:26.960,0:35:31.560

show them a lot of Co out yeah yeah you

 

0:35:29.560,0:35:33.480

know you go with Jeff all the time with

 

0:35:31.560,0:35:36.079

his dogs and and actually Nick's good

 

0:35:33.480,0:35:39.960

dog that he just got he's he's Kahola

 

0:35:36.079,0:35:42.040

just like Jeff's dogs yep so pretty cool

 

0:35:39.960,0:35:44.200

pretty cool to watch so and we've been

 

0:35:42.040,0:35:46.680

running the same sequence um with the

 

0:35:44.200,0:35:49.520

dogs and I think the combination has

 

0:35:46.680,0:35:52.640

been huge especially on public ground it

 

0:35:49.520,0:35:53.920

gets pressured a lot right right and I'm

 

0:35:52.640,0:35:55.839

going to go out again and I'm gonna try

 

0:35:53.920,0:35:58.160

the same sequence and I think just while

 

0:35:55.839,0:36:00.560

the pups are probably coming out of the

 

0:35:58.160,0:36:03.280

dens now we did end up getting one of

 

0:36:00.560,0:36:06.440

those that was actually hunting and it

 

0:36:03.280,0:36:10.119

was probably about a 9 10B kot oh is

 

0:36:06.440,0:36:12.040

that right yes really yeah that was uh

 

0:36:10.119,0:36:14.240

went middle of the week last week so

 

0:36:12.040,0:36:16.880

yeah so it's probably early early born

 

0:36:14.240,0:36:21.240

Kyle right there and it was a smart one

 

0:36:16.880,0:36:24.280

so we we noticed was out west here the

 

0:36:21.240,0:36:26.359

kangaroo rats have been everywhere ah

 

0:36:24.280,0:36:27.839

okay and when we were driving out we

 

0:36:26.359,0:36:30.680

kept I mean we were running them over by

 

0:36:27.839,0:36:34.000

the hundreds Yep this Kyle happened to

 

0:36:30.680,0:36:35.800

be cruising the highway picking up the

 

0:36:34.000,0:36:38.560

dead ones and then he ran across the

 

0:36:35.800,0:36:40.599

road to go out in the sage and we jumped

 

0:36:38.560,0:36:42.599

out went down the road made a stand and

 

0:36:40.599,0:36:46.280

called him called him right in about

 

0:36:42.599,0:36:48.400

that yeah pretty cool yeah I'd say that

 

0:36:46.280,0:36:49.960

I'd say there is that DS right there

 

0:36:48.400,0:36:51.560

somewhere close gotta be they ain't

 

0:36:49.960,0:36:54.640

gonna go too far away from the den that

 

0:36:51.560,0:36:58.640

size of a coyot oh I dropped a pin buddy

 

0:36:54.640,0:37:01.240

going back next weekend or this weekend

 

0:36:58.640,0:37:03.480

y he you talk you're talking about the

 

0:37:01.240,0:37:06.119

sequences and those formulas like if you

 

0:37:03.480,0:37:07.839

got a formula sequence it's working just

 

0:37:06.119,0:37:11.200

keep running with it you know you you've

 

0:37:07.839,0:37:13.040

made two trips it was pretty successful

 

0:37:11.200,0:37:14.359

so why would you change it going in next

 

0:37:13.040,0:37:15.720

weekend or whenever next time you're

 

0:37:14.359,0:37:18.200

going out you might as well test the

 

0:37:15.720,0:37:19.960

waters and that's pretty much us here

 

0:37:18.200,0:37:22.359

you know we hunted two days this past

 

0:37:19.960,0:37:24.480

week and every stand we we just did it

 

0:37:22.359,0:37:27.920

the exact same way I think we was doing

 

0:37:24.480,0:37:30.280

like I think we played U camir lonely

 

0:37:27.920,0:37:32.240

house uh most of the time off at you

 

0:37:30.280,0:37:37.160

know starting to standoff and then we'd

 

0:37:32.240,0:37:39.920

play broke pups uh then KY pup 314 and

 

0:37:37.160,0:37:42.240

then maybe one other pup sound and then

 

0:37:39.920,0:37:43.880

we go into some type of fight and it was

 

0:37:42.240,0:37:47.000

just like clockwork they were either

 

0:37:43.880,0:37:49.359

showing up on your first pup sound which

 

0:37:47.000,0:37:50.520

was mfk broke pups if they wasn't

 

0:37:49.359,0:37:52.040

showing up to broke pups they was

 

0:37:50.520,0:37:53.880

showing up to one of the fights at the

 

0:37:52.040,0:37:55.839

end it's like that's the two times they

 

0:37:53.880,0:37:57.079

were showing up and it just worked and

 

0:37:55.839,0:37:59.800

that's what we just kept playing we

 

0:37:57.079,0:38:03.240

called in several coyotes that we put I

 

0:37:59.800,0:38:05.200

think we got uh five really nice stands

 

0:38:03.240,0:38:08.760

uh that we'll put out on Fox pro hunting

 

0:38:05.200,0:38:11.240

TV um but yeah just the formula is

 

0:38:08.760,0:38:12.680

working and you know I might go C

 

0:38:11.240,0:38:14.160

calling tomorrow morning here at home

 

0:38:12.680,0:38:16.040

back home now and I'm just gonna run the

 

0:38:14.160,0:38:18.160

same exact thing you know why why not

 

0:38:16.040,0:38:20.520

might as well test it here too right for

 

0:38:18.160,0:38:22.640

sure yeah give it a world and that was

 

0:38:20.520,0:38:25.280

that's actually the third hunt uh we we

 

0:38:22.640,0:38:27.800

went to Mexico a couple weeks ago but

 

0:38:25.280,0:38:29.200

the week weekend before we left I ran

 

0:38:27.800,0:38:32.560

the same sequence with Nick and we

 

0:38:29.200,0:38:34.680

killed six yeah so I mean it was it's

 

0:38:32.560,0:38:37.280

been working and I think as long as the

 

0:38:34.680,0:38:40.480

pups are going to be coming out and it's

 

0:38:37.280,0:38:43.040

G to still work so yeah well if it ain't

 

0:38:40.480,0:38:45.280

broke don't fix it and if not we'll just

 

0:38:43.040,0:38:48.160

find something else to play you know oh

 

0:38:45.280,0:38:50.760

yeah you just slightly tweak it I'm sure

 

0:38:48.160,0:38:52.880

you'll be right back in them hopefully

 

0:38:50.760,0:38:55.720

but there is a time of day that it seems

 

0:38:52.880,0:38:58.720

like when they turn off they turn off

 

0:38:55.720,0:39:00.440

you know and right it's it's hard to go

 

0:38:58.720,0:39:02.800

home it's hard to call it quits because

 

0:39:00.440,0:39:05.119

you know it's gonna turn back on right

 

0:39:02.800,0:39:08.040

right for sure for

 

0:39:05.119,0:39:11.359

sure well tell tell me about your uh he

 

0:39:08.040,0:39:13.720

was talking about a you're using AR10 6

 

0:39:11.359,0:39:15.839

Creed there for night hunting what about

 

0:39:13.720,0:39:18.240

your daytime rig you running a boat gun

 

0:39:15.839,0:39:20.880

or you still running some form of AR I'm

 

0:39:18.240,0:39:22.520

still running that same rifle okay so

 

0:39:20.880,0:39:24.839

you're running so when you was talking

 

0:39:22.520,0:39:26.760

about the quick detach you're just

 

0:39:24.839,0:39:28.760

taking your thermal off and throwing a

 

0:39:26.760,0:39:30.640

day scope spa and go running the same

 

0:39:28.760,0:39:33.520

rig here during the

 

0:39:30.640,0:39:35.440

day okay all right so that's that's just

 

0:39:33.520,0:39:37.599

the gun you want to I've seen you shoot

 

0:39:35.440,0:39:39.680

boat guns in the past though didn't you

 

0:39:37.599,0:39:43.200

have nice custom custom boat gun that

 

0:39:39.680,0:39:45.839

you had built I I did have one that uh

 

0:39:43.200,0:39:47.720

was built by a guy here local and then

 

0:39:45.839,0:39:50.880

this AR10 that I'm running is actually

 

0:39:47.720,0:39:53.400

made by a company out Iowa BRD Gun Works

 

0:39:50.880,0:39:57.480

and that's kind of the one I've I've

 

0:39:53.400,0:40:00.280

just gotten so familiar with it and it's

 

0:39:57.480,0:40:02.720

so smooth and and I do love a bolt gun I

 

0:40:00.280,0:40:05.560

started out on a bolt gun and I still

 

0:40:02.720,0:40:07.839

shoot him when I can but when it's first

 

0:40:05.560,0:40:10.839

season is probably when I'll change it

 

0:40:07.839,0:40:13.880

up a little bit okay this this six Creed

 

0:40:10.839,0:40:16.280

those 87 V Maxes are brutal does a

 

0:40:13.880,0:40:19.160

number H that's for sure we had a sixth

 

0:40:16.280,0:40:20.880

Creed with us this past week and Jeff

 

0:40:19.160,0:40:23.680

was running he shot a few and there was

 

0:40:20.880,0:40:26.640

some there was some exits that were oh

 

0:40:23.680,0:40:28.400

my gosh you know I had to watch how you

 

0:40:26.640,0:40:30.440

picked them up and to the camera but

 

0:40:28.400,0:40:32.400

yeah no I mean I totally agree it don't

 

0:40:30.440,0:40:34.079

matter if you're AR man or a boat gun if

 

0:40:32.400,0:40:35.839

you're comfortable with something and

 

0:40:34.079,0:40:39.400

you're going to be running nighttime and

 

0:40:35.839,0:40:42.400

daytime setups there's no I mean why not

 

0:40:39.400,0:40:45.839

either run the same same rifle for for

 

0:40:42.400,0:40:47.359

both uh or you know have two identical

 

0:40:45.839,0:40:49.000

rifles you know especially if you find

 

0:40:47.359,0:40:52.280

something that that you're comfortable

 

0:40:49.000,0:40:54.359

with sure I mean that's key to you know

 

0:40:52.280,0:40:55.880

being uh being a good shot I think is

 

0:40:54.359,0:40:58.599

being consistent it's more than just

 

0:40:55.880,0:41:00.359

being consistent on on how you shoot

 

0:40:58.599,0:41:01.720

it's being consistent with what type of

 

0:41:00.359,0:41:04.920

firearm you take you know if you're

 

0:41:01.720,0:41:07.079

using the same same setup all the time

 

0:41:04.920,0:41:10.319

you're bound to become proficient with

 

0:41:07.079,0:41:12.480

it so you put enough Tri time in and

 

0:41:10.319,0:41:15.079

that's really what it is you know my

 

0:41:12.480,0:41:18.240

bolt gun that I ran in the daytime quite

 

0:41:15.079,0:41:19.400

a bit is a six Creed more as well and it

 

0:41:18.240,0:41:22.760

shoots the

 

0:41:19.400,0:41:26.040

108s okay yep Y and I was running that

 

0:41:22.760,0:41:27.880

223 for a long time and I still do when

 

0:41:26.040,0:41:33.280

it's first season and I load

 

0:41:27.880,0:41:35.920

60 grain Vmax is for it okay um yeah

 

0:41:33.280,0:41:38.000

so so when you say first season you

 

0:41:35.920,0:41:39.880

you're you're skinning some coyotes are

 

0:41:38.000,0:41:42.720

you selling on somebody on off a carcass

 

0:41:39.880,0:41:46.400

or or what are you doing there we SK we

 

0:41:42.720,0:41:49.400

skin every decent one we can um and then

 

0:41:46.400,0:41:51.800

either there's a guy down here in Cedar

 

0:41:49.400,0:41:54.240

City that uh he hunts kyotes but he

 

0:41:51.800,0:41:56.960

makes like he made my wife a fur

 

0:41:54.240,0:42:00.079

vest do doeses all kinds of cool stuff

 

0:41:56.960,0:42:02.640

hat and I got a buddy in Alaska that um

 

0:42:00.079,0:42:04.839

has a Fur Company also and when he flies

 

0:42:02.640,0:42:06.480

his fur down here to Idaho he'll

 

0:42:04.839,0:42:08.839

actually come here to my house and we'll

 

0:42:06.480,0:42:11.119

go to Idaho together so whatever Furs I

 

0:42:08.839,0:42:14.640

have in the freezer I you know I I hook

 

0:42:11.119,0:42:16.960

him up when we do a trade work and so

 

0:42:14.640,0:42:18.359

nice so you're you scan them up roll

 

0:42:16.960,0:42:20.040

them up and put them in the freezer or

 

0:42:18.359,0:42:22.800

you doing the whole nine yards you

 

0:42:20.040,0:42:25.440

scanning flesh and stretch and dry and

 

0:42:22.800,0:42:27.480

all that stuff I've gotten stuff to do

 

0:42:25.440,0:42:30.559

that I just don't have the time all the

 

0:42:27.480,0:42:32.720

time so lately it's been it's been

 

0:42:30.559,0:42:37.359

rolling him up you know for Josh when he

 

0:42:32.720,0:42:39.160

comes down and yeah let do his thing and

 

0:42:37.359,0:42:40.680

but that's pretty cool you don't hear

 

0:42:39.160,0:42:43.680

about too many people skining them out

 

0:42:40.680,0:42:45.880

anymore that's for sure no and it's it's

 

0:42:43.680,0:42:48.359

sad because some of them are really nice

 

0:42:45.880,0:42:50.880

but I do I try not to waste anything I

 

0:42:48.359,0:42:52.760

got a lady here that does um some skull

 

0:42:50.880,0:42:54.400

work and you know I give her the Kyo

 

0:42:52.760,0:42:56.960

heads and she she has a little business

 

0:42:54.400,0:42:59.960

and does her thing with those and yeah

 

0:42:56.960,0:43:02.880

we just try to be resourceful and help

 

0:42:59.960,0:43:06.240

everybody out and nothing nothing goes

 

0:43:02.880,0:43:09.599

to waste nice nice

 

0:43:06.240,0:43:11.480

well been on here for quite a while look

 

0:43:09.599,0:43:13.160

like we've been on here over 43 minutes

 

0:43:11.480,0:43:16.240

so we're starting to wind down here what

 

0:43:13.160,0:43:19.400

let me ask you just a few few questions

 

0:43:16.240,0:43:23.520

here just some would you rather type

 

0:43:19.400,0:43:25.319

stuff and and all that uh what's your uh

 

0:43:23.520,0:43:27.359

what's your favorite time of year to KY

 

0:43:25.319,0:43:30.160

call

 

0:43:27.359,0:43:31.000

my favorite time to call is probably

 

0:43:30.160,0:43:34.200

that

 

0:43:31.000,0:43:37.680

October November

 

0:43:34.200,0:43:39.680

window when the most CS heard out right

 

0:43:37.680,0:43:43.240

you you've heard Al talk about how that

 

0:43:39.680,0:43:46.559

works you know Target Rich environment

 

0:43:43.240,0:43:49.319

exactly um fresh ears and that's that's

 

0:43:46.559,0:43:50.280

huge for me is you know just having them

 

0:43:49.319,0:43:53.839

running

 

0:43:50.280,0:43:56.480

in EXA that time is my favorite October

 

0:43:53.839,0:43:59.040

into into November what's your least

 

0:43:56.480,0:43:59.040

favorite time

 

0:43:59.359,0:44:04.880

probably

 

0:44:01.200,0:44:08.680

that the time frame after they paired up

 

0:44:04.880,0:44:11.359

and you know I'd say it's probably March

 

0:44:08.680,0:44:14.160

yeah that March March April they kind of

 

0:44:11.359,0:44:16.920

go into that lull that they don't really

 

0:44:14.160,0:44:18.880

do a whole lot they're digging dens and

 

0:44:16.920,0:44:20.839

yeah during that time frame you have the

 

0:44:18.880,0:44:22.720

least amount of couch that you'll ever

 

0:44:20.839,0:44:25.079

have throughout the year to hunt too so

 

0:44:22.720,0:44:27.839

it makes it not as appealing they've

 

0:44:25.079,0:44:31.359

heard every sound you know yeah

 

0:44:27.839,0:44:33.280

it gets rough but I mean if you stay

 

0:44:31.359,0:44:35.480

after it and make more stands you will

 

0:44:33.280,0:44:38.400

call them you just got to go do

 

0:44:35.480,0:44:40.760

it what your uh you've been all over the

 

0:44:38.400,0:44:43.839

country hunting yourself been been

 

0:44:40.760,0:44:45.559

several other states filming KY hunts

 

0:44:43.839,0:44:50.200

what you what's your favorite state to

 

0:44:45.559,0:44:52.359

go KY K in oh that's a tough

 

0:44:50.200,0:44:55.839

one

 

0:44:52.359,0:44:58.440

probably I think I like Arizona yeah

 

0:44:55.839,0:45:02.000

when it's not so hot yep um just because

 

0:44:58.440,0:45:03.920

the variety of of the animals they have

 

0:45:02.000,0:45:07.400

there and what comes with your license

 

0:45:03.920,0:45:10.079

yeah um the kyotes are always really

 

0:45:07.400,0:45:12.359

plentiful there uh Bobcats are part of

 

0:45:10.079,0:45:15.280

your te your your license and they have

 

0:45:12.359,0:45:17.480

gray fox down there so whatever country

 

0:45:15.280,0:45:20.599

you're rolling through you can kind of

 

0:45:17.480,0:45:22.880

just call the fox you can call Bobcat

 

0:45:20.599,0:45:24.240

country so you got a variety and you

 

0:45:22.880,0:45:26.319

just it's like fishing in the ocean you

 

0:45:24.240,0:45:29.880

never know what's going to come in so

 

0:45:26.319,0:45:33.720

right right I think Arizona's

 

0:45:29.880,0:45:35.760

probably my first pick what about uh

 

0:45:33.720,0:45:38.720

what's your least favorite state

 

0:45:35.760,0:45:40.280

Hunt is there a state you care you that

 

0:45:38.720,0:45:43.040

you're like I don't care if I ever go

 

0:45:40.280,0:45:45.599

back there and try to call coyot

 

0:45:43.040,0:45:48.200

again

 

0:45:45.599,0:45:50.160

uh I'm gonna have to say and you're

 

0:45:48.200,0:45:51.720

gonna be like really it's just because I

 

0:45:50.160,0:45:55.079

haven't spent enough time out there but

 

0:45:51.720,0:45:58.079

Wyoming is it's just always so windy

 

0:45:55.079,0:46:00.760

when we go there it is it's a windy

 

0:45:58.079,0:46:02.880

place that's for sure and that's

 

0:46:00.760,0:46:06.040

probably the biggest like turn off for

 

0:46:02.880,0:46:09.319

me is I'm just like I hate the I like a

 

0:46:06.040,0:46:11.800

good wind but not you know 20 M hour and

 

0:46:09.319,0:46:16.920

30 30 m hour

 

0:46:11.800,0:46:19.839

gust dude I have been I I I like Wyoming

 

0:46:16.920,0:46:23.040

but I have been in Wyoming when I'm like

 

0:46:19.839,0:46:24.599

what in the world am I doing here type

 

0:46:23.040,0:46:26.480

stuff because I mean there's been times

 

0:46:24.599,0:46:28.359

we've been there filming and when we

 

0:46:26.480,0:46:30.839

film you you know the tripods we run we

 

0:46:28.359,0:46:33.359

run really nice sturdy tripods and all

 

0:46:30.839,0:46:36.319

this type of stuff uh we've been on

 

0:46:33.359,0:46:38.400

stand where you have to keep your hands

 

0:46:36.319,0:46:40.880

on the camera and tripod because the

 

0:46:38.400,0:46:44.599

wind is blowing so bad it will blow the

 

0:46:40.880,0:46:46.640

whole system over and go tumbling yeah

 

0:46:44.599,0:46:48.760

that's a lot of wind and you're just

 

0:46:46.640,0:46:51.520

looking around like what are we

 

0:46:48.760,0:46:53.000

doing which one of us is the dumbest one

 

0:46:51.520,0:46:55.920

whose idea is

 

0:46:53.000,0:46:57.880

this yeah we we experienced that when we

 

0:46:55.920,0:47:00.720

were in Alberta if you watched the the

 

0:46:57.880,0:47:01.960

fakers Resurrection Alberta episode I

 

0:47:00.720,0:47:03.480

mean it was like you could go to the

 

0:47:01.960,0:47:05.640

edge of the hill and lean over like

 

0:47:03.480,0:47:08.040

Michael Jackson and just you know it

 

0:47:05.640,0:47:10.119

just hold you you yeah and we had to

 

0:47:08.040,0:47:12.440

grind it out you drive all that way you

 

0:47:10.119,0:47:15.680

take the time off to hunt and make video

 

0:47:12.440,0:47:18.599

and and we got some cool video but man

 

0:47:15.680,0:47:22.079

the wind was brutal so

 

0:47:18.599,0:47:25.440

Wyoming is always windy and it's my

 

0:47:22.079,0:47:27.559

least favorite but I'll go right I'll go

 

0:47:25.440,0:47:29.720

well what about uh

 

0:47:27.559,0:47:31.359

you'd rather day hunt or night hunt if

 

0:47:29.720,0:47:33.720

you just had they somebody come told you

 

0:47:31.359,0:47:36.359

said you can only do say your wife told

 

0:47:33.720,0:47:38.559

you said listen Richie you KY hunting

 

0:47:36.359,0:47:41.119

too much you got to choose one you can't

 

0:47:38.559,0:47:42.680

be doing this daytime and all night you

 

0:47:41.119,0:47:44.839

get to choose one you can either go hunt

 

0:47:42.680,0:47:46.920

a day or you can hunt at night while you

 

0:47:44.839,0:47:50.119

while you picking she's gonna get a kick

 

0:47:46.920,0:47:53.559

out of that he's gonna use that

 

0:47:50.119,0:47:57.240

now uh I I am a firm believer that day

 

0:47:53.559,0:47:59.920

hunting is King it is the best you get

 

0:47:57.240,0:48:02.400

to watch them come from far away in the

 

0:47:59.920,0:48:05.599

daylight let watch them do what coyotes

 

0:48:02.400,0:48:10.079

do use their nose um I think that's the

 

0:48:05.599,0:48:12.079

ultimate is day hunting nice nice all

 

0:48:10.079,0:48:15.079

right I got uh let's see how much time

 

0:48:12.079,0:48:19.280

we got later we got a few more minutes

 

0:48:15.079,0:48:21.760

what is what's your three favorite

 

0:48:19.280,0:48:24.760

sounds to play out your Fox Pro what

 

0:48:21.760,0:48:26.160

your 3B you know Fox Pro Sounds mfk

 

0:48:24.760,0:48:28.240

sounds whatever what's your three

 

0:48:26.160,0:48:32.839

favorite sound

 

0:48:28.240,0:48:36.280

if I if I was to if if say when this you

 

0:48:32.839,0:48:39.079

know say you going out for the rest of

 

0:48:36.280,0:48:42.160

this season and Mike Dylan calls you and

 

0:48:39.079,0:48:43.960

says hey we're GNA challenge you to to

 

0:48:42.160,0:48:45.599

call kyot this year but you can only use

 

0:48:43.960,0:48:51.240

three sounds you can only have three

 

0:48:45.599,0:48:52.440

sounds on your Fox Pro from from June

 

0:48:51.240,0:48:53.880

all the way through the end of the year

 

0:48:52.440,0:48:57.280

through December what three sounds you

 

0:48:53.880,0:48:57.280

putting on there

 

0:48:57.640,0:49:02.359

if I'm gonna have to say female Sore

 

0:49:00.040,0:49:05.319

house for one

 

0:49:02.359,0:49:07.960

yep

 

0:49:05.319,0:49:11.319

probably mfk fight

 

0:49:07.960,0:49:13.480

challenge and always pup distress three

 

0:49:11.319,0:49:15.720

so you're gonna have you're going to

 

0:49:13.480,0:49:19.280

have a nice how with female sore Hows

 

0:49:15.720,0:49:22.319

You got a a a tried and true pup

 

0:49:19.280,0:49:26.000

distress with Fox Pros cow pup distress

 

0:49:22.319,0:49:28.839

number three and then a nice nasty fight

 

0:49:26.000,0:49:31.760

uh mfk fight challenge no prey distress

 

0:49:28.839,0:49:33.960

I'm shocked that a western guy come on

 

0:49:31.760,0:49:36.240

here and didn't choose some kind of prey

 

0:49:33.960,0:49:37.839

distress and you want to know why tell

 

0:49:36.240,0:49:39.599

me why this is interesting I'm not

 

0:49:37.839,0:49:42.280

saying you're wrong this is great

 

0:49:39.599,0:49:44.400

because everybody cranks the rabbit out

 

0:49:42.280,0:49:47.000

here what about the

 

0:49:44.400,0:49:50.359

Woodpecker what about

 

0:49:47.000,0:49:52.200

the hey you said what what I could put

 

0:49:50.359,0:49:55.440

on my fox bro that you didn't say I

 

0:49:52.200,0:49:57.480

couldn't hand call there hey hey using

 

0:49:55.440,0:49:59.520

your head ain't you

 

0:49:57.480,0:50:01.240

yeah I like it I like it don't forget

 

0:49:59.520,0:50:03.040

about those hand calls hey there's

 

0:50:01.240,0:50:04.880

nothing wrong with what you picked I

 

0:50:03.040,0:50:06.400

just think I just you shocked me a

 

0:50:04.880,0:50:08.280

little bit that's awesome there's no

 

0:50:06.400,0:50:09.839

right an there's no there's no wrong

 

0:50:08.280,0:50:11.520

answers here I guess what I should say

 

0:50:09.839,0:50:13.599

there's no that's awesome that's great I

 

0:50:11.520,0:50:15.200

think it's very interesting it's

 

0:50:13.599,0:50:17.319

probably just because what's working now

 

0:50:15.200,0:50:20.160

in the fall I do like a good prey

 

0:50:17.319,0:50:22.720

distress yeah

 

0:50:20.160,0:50:25.720

yep quite a b if I just give you you can

 

0:50:22.720,0:50:29.000

only have one sound like one sound one

 

0:50:25.720,0:50:30.440

sound for your eco for you fox Pro and

 

0:50:29.000,0:50:32.280

you can run you can have your mouth

 

0:50:30.440,0:50:37.200

diaphragms your hand calls all that type

 

0:50:32.280,0:50:39.520

of stuff but you get one call Mrs MC oh

 

0:50:37.200,0:50:41.480

okay so then you totally swap it up if

 

0:50:39.520,0:50:43.240

you could have only three sounds you had

 

0:50:41.480,0:50:46.440

three coyot vocals but if you can only

 

0:50:43.240,0:50:49.680

have one you put Mrs motton tail on

 

0:50:46.440,0:50:51.760

there yeah very interesting good stuff

 

0:50:49.680,0:50:54.440

good stuff

 

0:50:51.760,0:50:57.200

Richie shocked me with that one shocked

 

0:50:54.440,0:50:59.440

me both times it's probably like I said

 

0:50:57.200,0:51:01.559

just cuz what's been working hey I like

 

0:50:59.440,0:51:04.599

I like those answers that's good that's

 

0:51:01.559,0:51:05.920

good it's really good stuff all right

 

0:51:04.599,0:51:08.760

one more thing then we're going to get

 

0:51:05.920,0:51:11.000

off here um like I said earlier you

 

0:51:08.760,0:51:13.359

you've hunted many different states

 

0:51:11.000,0:51:16.240

you've hunted with tons of different

 

0:51:13.359,0:51:19.839

people um been all over the place do you

 

0:51:16.240,0:51:22.160

have a particular hunt a particular cow

 

0:51:19.839,0:51:24.319

stand or particular series of coyot

 

0:51:22.160,0:51:27.799

stands on a trip that just stands out in

 

0:51:24.319,0:51:30.359

your own mind um that's that's a little

 

0:51:27.799,0:51:32.599

special to you and if so just run us

 

0:51:30.359,0:51:34.440

through it real quick what you tell us

 

0:51:32.599,0:51:36.200

your favorite KY stand or something like

 

0:51:34.440,0:51:37.200

that her favorite Bob it don't matter

 

0:51:36.200,0:51:43.119

what it

 

0:51:37.200,0:51:44.480

is probably the favorite Kyo stand is um

 

0:51:43.119,0:51:48.160

it's a Nevada

 

0:51:44.480,0:51:51.520

stand and I've shed hunted this spot

 

0:51:48.160,0:51:54.040

before picked up pantler there and we've

 

0:51:51.520,0:51:57.200

day hunted it we've night hunted it it's

 

0:51:54.040,0:51:59.440

100% stand it's off the grid and

 

0:51:57.200,0:52:02.079

it's so off the grid

 

0:51:59.440,0:52:04.359

that it's almost like you you better

 

0:52:02.079,0:52:07.799

hope you don't get a flat tire off the

 

0:52:04.359,0:52:09.720

grid and it it goes back no cell phone

 

0:52:07.799,0:52:11.799

no cell phone service so if you do have

 

0:52:09.720,0:52:14.520

a flat flat tire nobody's coming to help

 

0:52:11.799,0:52:16.400

you no service and it drops back behind

 

0:52:14.520,0:52:18.640

this Canyon you go through this little

 

0:52:16.400,0:52:20.119

narrow slot you know the water's already

 

0:52:18.640,0:52:21.760

beaten down the road so sometimes you

 

0:52:20.119,0:52:24.920

don't even know you get through it but

 

0:52:21.760,0:52:27.400

as you come through it it splits wide

 

0:52:24.920,0:52:30.040

open and

 

0:52:27.400,0:52:32.240

it runs two draws one goes left one goes

 

0:52:30.040,0:52:35.319

right and it go one goes up and one goes

 

0:52:32.240,0:52:37.720

down and when you call it it The Sound

 

0:52:35.319,0:52:40.599

travels and there's another slot behind

 

0:52:37.720,0:52:44.240

you um and we've just had them come

 

0:52:40.599,0:52:47.079

every time there and it's picture

 

0:52:44.240,0:52:49.400

perfect I I would almost rather have my

 

0:52:47.079,0:52:52.240

ashes thrown there to be honest is that

 

0:52:49.400,0:52:56.160

right it's that peaceful and cool of a

 

0:52:52.240,0:52:58.559

place like yeah we love it there awesome

 

0:52:56.160,0:53:01.230

awesome when's the last time you called

 

0:52:58.559,0:53:02.559

it um

 

0:53:01.230,0:53:05.760

[Music]

 

0:53:02.559,0:53:08.720

probably two months ago kill anything

 

0:53:05.760,0:53:10.480

call anything we called a pair in in the

 

0:53:08.720,0:53:13.240

dark but they wouldn't split out of the

 

0:53:10.480,0:53:16.040

Cedars and Nick got a shot at one and we

 

0:53:13.240,0:53:17.839

got one but awesome there there's always

 

0:53:16.040,0:53:21.079

a pair down low there's always a pair of

 

0:53:17.839,0:53:23.559

high and and that's just the thing is

 

0:53:21.079,0:53:26.040

the sound travels through those draws

 

0:53:23.559,0:53:28.599

you know if you look at it on onx it

 

0:53:26.040,0:53:30.520

just is out beautiful the sound just

 

0:53:28.599,0:53:32.799

travels far and you if you wait long

 

0:53:30.520,0:53:34.799

enough something's coming to investigate

 

0:53:32.799,0:53:37.000

it so that that's probably my best

 

0:53:34.799,0:53:38.640

favorite stand to go to what how many

 

0:53:37.000,0:53:41.920

times a year do you make it

 

0:53:38.640,0:53:45.200

stand I try to make it two times a year

 

0:53:41.920,0:53:48.000

one in the you know this Springtime like

 

0:53:45.200,0:53:52.359

right well now it's summer but and then

 

0:53:48.000,0:53:54.440

one in the fall so so so what you're

 

0:53:52.359,0:53:57.119

saying is if the good Lord come to you

 

0:53:54.440,0:54:00.200

and said hey you got one more KY stand

 

0:53:57.119,0:54:01.839

left in your body and then you're done

 

0:54:00.200,0:54:04.240

that's the place and you said you can go

 

0:54:01.839,0:54:06.200

anywhere you want to go make any stand

 

0:54:04.240,0:54:08.480

you want that's where you going

 

0:54:06.200,0:54:11.200

absolutely that's good stuff Richie we

 

0:54:08.480,0:54:13.480

appreciate you coming on old buddy amen

 

0:54:11.200,0:54:15.280

I appreciate you and uh congrats on all

 

0:54:13.480,0:54:18.119

the success with this podcast and what

 

0:54:15.280,0:54:20.480

you've been doing uh you you're really

 

0:54:18.119,0:54:22.359

taking Fox Pro to another level I

 

0:54:20.480,0:54:23.960

appreciate appreciate the kind words

 

0:54:22.359,0:54:26.880

buddy is there anything you want to you

 

0:54:23.960,0:54:30.119

want to leave everybody with yeah yeah

 

0:54:26.880,0:54:33.880

actually I do uh if there's stuff out

 

0:54:30.119,0:54:37.240

there going down um with anti you know

 

0:54:33.880,0:54:39.119

trying to jump on the wagon and take

 

0:54:37.240,0:54:41.920

down this kind of hunting or that kind

 

0:54:39.119,0:54:44.599

of hunting or trapping it's not your

 

0:54:41.920,0:54:47.440

Forte there's no in between you are a

 

0:54:44.599,0:54:49.480

hunter or you're not um support those

 

0:54:47.440,0:54:51.599

guys because they they're chipping away

 

0:54:49.480,0:54:54.240

at everything and we all really need to

 

0:54:51.599,0:54:57.200

stand together on this kind of stuff and

 

0:54:54.240,0:54:59.200

seen back up in Michigan or I think it's

 

0:54:57.200,0:55:01.599

Michigan know some some guys running

 

0:54:59.200,0:55:03.480

hounds we're all for having a season on

 

0:55:01.599,0:55:06.480

coyotes and the more regulations you put

 

0:55:03.480,0:55:08.920

on yourself it's not good for anybody so

 

0:55:06.480,0:55:11.799

stick together call your Congressman

 

0:55:08.920,0:55:13.760

when you need to write emails do your

 

0:55:11.799,0:55:16.599

part because we need

 

0:55:13.760,0:55:18.520

it good stuff Richie we hope everyone

 

0:55:16.599,0:55:22.880

enjoyed this episode we hope you join us

 

0:55:18.520,0:55:22.880

again right here on the fox Pro podcast