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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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welcome back to the Foxpro podcast this
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is John Collins and I am joined by Abner
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drucken Miller how's it going Abner
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doing good Mr Collins how are you today
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I'm pretty good pretty good here awesome
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here it is rolling through uh you know
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man July is almost passed us by it seems
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like this year is just just screaming
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through uh you know Falls Fall deer
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hunting and all that kind of stuff will
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be uh is beyond be upon us before long
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but uh you know we've been doing plenty
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of plenty of coyote hunting for sure
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yeah you have Jitter on your mind
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already you ready to get this food Plus
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or engineer and start killing some
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Whitetail and we're ready for colder
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weather this for killing coyotes where
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we're not sweating our butts off out
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there in the summer right right you know
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I've already I've already you know been
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looking forward to the Whitetail stuff
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you know cool I'm a Whitetail Hunter I
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know you're a big Whitetail Hunter I
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know you got to be taking it young and
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out there hunting this year probably and
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uh yeah for sure no food plot stuff
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already started that got some trail
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cameras running around you know I might
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have a pretty good book or two I'm
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already looking at you know I'll
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probably keep that on the down low for
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right now but definitely looking forward
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to it
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good good well John we're uh I'm excited
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to be in here with you today and I love
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uh just offering some some insight on
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different topics of predator hunting and
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you know I I always respected you and
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the places you've hunted predators and
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all over the country as well so tell us
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a little bit what we're going to talk
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about there let me know what I'm kind of
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in the mood to talk about today because
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I'm excited to do this yeah we're our
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topic is definitely a good one and
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definitely one you see pop up a few
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times throughout the year it is coyote
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hunting East versus West and oh boy yeah
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and and before we jump into that Abner
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you know you're a very well-known hunter
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in The Hunting Community
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um got a lot of respect for you I know a
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lot of other people do as well but uh
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you know we'll probably have some
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listeners that's kind of new to predator
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hunting that might not know much about
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you kurta tell us a little bit about
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yourself and your background
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yeah for sure absolutely so
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um I've been working at Foxboro now for
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almost about 16 years and
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um
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over the 16 years I have been blessed to
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hunt and Chase a variety of different
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species of animals all across the
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country and specifically primarily
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Predators right so coyotes all over the
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country
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um I grew up in a small rural Country
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Place here with two older brothers and I
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am the type of Hunter that I like to
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hunt anything that I can call in whether
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that be ducks and geese deer turkey elk
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crows anything like that that I can call
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I like to be able to call in animals so
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I had a background in you know turkey
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calling and deer and stuff growing up
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here in Pennsylvania
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um I have uh a young boy now he's his
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name is Brooks he's nine my daughter is
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Sawyer she's going to be seven they love
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hunting and fishing just as much as I do
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married my high school sweethearts we've
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been together for 19 years so she's been
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putting up with me out there chasing
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animals my whole life and it's not
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something she knows it's Gonna Change
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but yeah I've been able to hunt
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Predators all over the country said East
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versus West absolutely it's a big
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subject that comes up regularly when you
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start talking about how to call Kaya oh
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man you know we see that topic come up a
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few times a year on you know hunting
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forums and Facebook hunting groups
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um at hunting camps that we go to and
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just you know wherever else you might be
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in coyote hunting comes up and a lot of
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times there's plenty of arguing that
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goes on about coyote hunting in the East
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versus in the west uh but more often
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than not the guys that are actually
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arguing about it have only hunted in one
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like General region of the US
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sure now like we was talking about
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earlier you know Abner and I both have
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experience hunting states east and west
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of Mississippi but more so Abner Abner
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has practically hunted everywhere like
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he was saying from the east coast to the
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West Coast so I'd say we just jump right
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into it you know okay Abner what you
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know what do you see as the biggest
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difference between hunting eastern and
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western states
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you know the easy answer there is always
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going to be the density of in of Tides
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the population of predators between the
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East and the west and that's kind of
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like that that answer it's like okay
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we'll get it everywhere with right there
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but no it's a lot more on in depth in
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that and I'd say the the biggest
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difference is that I have noticed and I
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have uh you know I'm the director of
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sales here at Fox probe as a marketing
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guy for a couple years but in traveling
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when we were hunting a lot in the
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western part of the state I punted all
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the way out west and also when I hear
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East West I like to even think north
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south John
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because I've hunted like a lot of
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provinces in Canada for coyotes British
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Columbia
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um Saskatchewan Alberta a couple of
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times and then also way down south too
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so
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um I would say what's very unique and
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different about East West because we're
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going to keep on that subject is just
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the terrain and habitat and it's really
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a major adjustment when you talk about
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how to approach your stands when you're
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going out there coyote hunting okay you
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know when you're looking at very thick
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dense Hardwoods here east of the
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Mississippi compared to wide open
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Rolling Hills and grasslands in the west
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or even out there in British Columbia
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where it's thick you know there's some
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similarities there to the east but it's
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got to come down to the density and
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population prior to my opinion and also
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just the habitat that you're hunting and
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picking your stand location that's
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vitally important the other thing I'll
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offer that I see is a big difference is
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just the pure aggressiveness John of the
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coyotes here in the East compared to the
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West I know all coyotes are aggressive
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and can be very territorial right right
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but I feel like these coyotes and yeast
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and in the Northeast if you will do have
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a little bit bigger body they seem to be
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a little bit more Territorial and I like
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to talk back and cuss back at you more
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than what I see in the west I don't know
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if you've noticed that or not yeah I
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have noticed that some and you know I've
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never have really been able to pinpoint
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uh lots of differences in the coyotes
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you think it does have something to do
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with the actual coyote density in their
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areas I really do I really do you know
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we we have coyotes here in Pennsylvania
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and and interesting let's just talk
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about that density and and population of
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kites and how that's changed just over
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the last I don't know 16 years here that
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I've been really targeting coyotes in
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Pennsylvania I used to keep we all used
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to keep that little black book right
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pattern all these coyotes like the
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moon's this the weather's this
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barometric pressure is that
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um I used to do one in 25 stands okay in
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Pennsylvania probably 15 years ago John
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I didn't count I'd encounter a coyote
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now I'm just it's not specifically
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targeting them I was calling for variety
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Fox Bobcats [ __ ] whatever right but one
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in 25 stands I would encounter a card
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and what that means is I either heard a
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coyote Hal back of me called him in and
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killed him shot and missed them or he
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went to me and got away that was an
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encounter okay right
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yeah one in 25 stands now just 10 years
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later in the same areas that I've hunted
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for a number of years it's one in nine
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stands I'm encountering coyote so the
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population is growing right and as that
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population and density of coyotes
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um become more abundant you're certainly
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going to be able to be more successful
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in killing more coyotes obviously
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because they tend to become more
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competitive and also more territorial
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their their home range and that starts
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to shrink down as higher populations
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start to pick up right right
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um in the west I mean you can go out
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there when I'm hunting South Dakota holy
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crap man you can go and do a stand every
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Mile and be calling different coyotes
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right here in Pennsylvania you might
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hear a group of coyotes and they just
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don't stay here because they have no
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competition in Virginia or in places in
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the East or stuff like that in New York
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where you'll hear coyotes John
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howling and carrying on but they might
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not ever come back there for a month two
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months or they may never come back they
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might find another area so what do I
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tell people in Pennsylvania and in the
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East Side East is how to kill these
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coyots and there's different it all
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really depends on different times of the
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year but one thing I tell people and it
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sounds kind of
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Elementary but when you know those
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coyotes are there when you hear them go
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call right right and that means that
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means having your landowners locked down
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and have you on speed dial I've got
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phone calls
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um from my landowners hey these coyotes
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are tearing it up everywhere I said I'll
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be here in 10 minutes right and those
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are those are some of my most successful
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stands honestly right
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um back in the day so that's a little
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bit about that uh as far as density and
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how population can has changed over the
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last 10 years do I expect there to be
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more coyotes here in the next 10
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absolutely
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um and we can go on a lot of other
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topics but I'll let you go ahead with
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another another contrast to that or
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another question to that well I think
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you made it you know we'll talk on that
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just a little bit more I think you made
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a great point about uh when you know
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you've got coyotenary to hunt as soon as
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you you've got to win or whatever you're
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getting there and hunting them you know
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you're hunting that hot sign
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um I think a lot of times guys they do
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find coyotes or whatever and they say
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well uh it's awful hot right now I'll
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wait I'll wait a month and then go try
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to kill them well they might not be
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there in a month you know they can move
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on to something else or somebody else
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slip in there and get them you know it's
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just like Whitetail hunting was talking
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about that earlier you know if you're
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getting a big buck coming to your trail
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camera for every single day Crossing
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through Air at 8 30 in the morning
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you better be in there hunting you know
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go after that Whitetail while the sign
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is hot same thing for coyotes especially
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when you're talking about hunting these
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eastern states and you mentioned two or
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three different Western or Eastern
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states there
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and that is one thing that that we
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probably should say and Abner kind of
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talked about a little bit earlier but
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it's more to it than just East versus
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West you know he mentioned Abner
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mentioned North and South as well but
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not all eastern states are created equal
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you mentioned Pennsylvania my home
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State's Kentucky we have more coyotes in
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Kentucky than Pennsylvania does you know
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I don't really know what the coyotes per
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square mile is in either state but I
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would almost imagine it's probably
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almost double in Kentucky compared to
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Pennsylvania wouldn't you think so I
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think you're absolutely right because
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I'll even go as far as say this in Ohio
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which is right there on the Western
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border of Pennsylvania outside of
0:11:07.740,0:11:13.079
Pittsburgh the habitat changes quickly
0:11:10.500,0:11:14.820
it's very conducive for coyotes and
0:11:13.079,0:11:17.579
that's not far north of you either John
0:11:14.820,0:11:19.800
right where those coyotes are more
0:11:17.579,0:11:21.360
plentiful there in Ohio a neighboring
0:11:19.800,0:11:23.579
state than what we have here in
0:11:21.360,0:11:25.620
Pennsylvania right um it's just more
0:11:23.579,0:11:27.480
conducive habitat not they don't like
0:11:25.620,0:11:29.579
these big mountains in Pennsylvania but
0:11:27.480,0:11:31.380
just as you said we start going down to
0:11:29.579,0:11:34.980
the South you look into places like
0:11:31.380,0:11:36.420
Georgia in Northern Florida in South
0:11:34.980,0:11:38.579
Carolina
0:11:36.420,0:11:40.620
um Georgia has I guarantee you more
0:11:38.579,0:11:43.019
coyotes than we have in Pennsylvania
0:11:40.620,0:11:44.760
they are loaded up it's just look at the
0:11:43.019,0:11:47.760
habitat you got down here you got those
0:11:44.760,0:11:50.160
large plantations you have a lot of
0:11:47.760,0:11:51.779
cattle you know in Northern Florida and
0:11:50.160,0:11:54.000
that's the one thing my little secret
0:11:51.779,0:11:56.579
when I go out west and I'm sure you do
0:11:54.000,0:11:58.940
this John is I'm looking for those uh
0:11:56.579,0:12:02.220
feed yards there's cattle feed yards
0:11:58.940,0:12:03.839
cattle cattle pastures like they know it
0:12:02.220,0:12:05.579
gets a little a little sketchy around
0:12:03.839,0:12:07.940
cattle we don't like calling right in
0:12:05.579,0:12:11.100
the middle of them but that's where I'm
0:12:07.940,0:12:13.920
primarily looking to get a high point a
0:12:11.100,0:12:16.019
high set up with the win rate and around
0:12:13.920,0:12:18.420
those areas and I'll you'll find that
0:12:16.019,0:12:20.160
down in Northern Florida too so just a
0:12:18.420,0:12:22.560
lot more conducive in the higher
0:12:20.160,0:12:24.540
population uh even in some of those
0:12:22.560,0:12:26.040
eastern states it's just like you know
0:12:24.540,0:12:28.700
there's a big uh
0:12:26.040,0:12:30.959
um the Eastern coyote Colin Championship
0:12:28.700,0:12:32.399
that happens been I don't know what's
0:12:30.959,0:12:34.740
about the third or fourth year going
0:12:32.399,0:12:37.320
into it and uh you know it's everything
0:12:34.740,0:12:39.240
east of the Mississippi uh you can hunt
0:12:37.320,0:12:40.380
day or night of course if you're wanting
0:12:39.240,0:12:41.519
to compete you're going to be hunting
0:12:40.380,0:12:43.200
night
0:12:41.519,0:12:45.500
um you know you don't hear Too Many
0:12:43.200,0:12:48.260
people hunting in New York or
0:12:45.500,0:12:50.820
West Virginia or Pennsylvania
0:12:48.260,0:12:53.820
the last place they say they're going is
0:12:50.820,0:12:55.560
Pennsylvania right but you go south
0:12:53.820,0:12:58.260
you'll have some of those guys down the
0:12:55.560,0:13:00.959
South and Southeast and you know they'll
0:12:58.260,0:13:03.000
bring in uh man they'll bring in tons of
0:13:00.959,0:13:05.459
even like Illinois which I consider more
0:13:03.000,0:13:07.260
Midwest you know Indiana those states
0:13:05.459,0:13:09.480
there those guys will come in if you're
0:13:07.260,0:13:11.880
going to be in the top three you better
0:13:09.480,0:13:13.980
be looking at bringing upwards of 25
0:13:11.880,0:13:15.779
plus coyotes and if you're wanting to
0:13:13.980,0:13:18.779
win it you better be bringing over 30.
0:13:15.779,0:13:22.139
that's Henry that's a two-day hunt
0:13:18.779,0:13:24.060
so and that's a lot of country a lot of
0:13:22.139,0:13:26.399
ground and uh you know just a lot more
0:13:24.060,0:13:28.440
coyotes there and you know one thing so
0:13:26.399,0:13:30.360
we we've kind of expressed and kind of
0:13:28.440,0:13:32.519
dwelled on this population density thing
0:13:30.360,0:13:34.980
and I think they've gotta they have a
0:13:32.519,0:13:36.240
clear understanding of okay the density
0:13:34.980,0:13:38.100
and population definitely has something
0:13:36.240,0:13:40.500
to do with it and hunting out west you
0:13:38.100,0:13:41.820
know I'll give you I'll provide some
0:13:40.500,0:13:44.220
insight here and I'm gonna I'm gonna go
0:13:41.820,0:13:46.920
through a illustration here John quick
0:13:44.220,0:13:49.920
and then I'm going to go through what I
0:13:46.920,0:13:51.839
feel are the three best times to hunt
0:13:49.920,0:13:55.740
coyotes here if I'm gonna stay
0:13:51.839,0:13:57.839
specifically in an area where there is
0:13:55.740,0:13:59.399
um a low population of coyotes okay so I
0:13:57.839,0:14:01.320
don't have to like put it right here in
0:13:59.399,0:14:03.120
Pennsylvania right the first thing I'll
0:14:01.320,0:14:05.880
say is
0:14:03.120,0:14:07.800
um when you're out west and you're
0:14:05.880,0:14:10.440
calling in the East you know you're
0:14:07.800,0:14:14.040
looking for for areas that hold Cottage
0:14:10.440,0:14:17.279
but what what is the best time to do
0:14:14.040,0:14:19.500
that you know out out west I look for
0:14:17.279,0:14:21.000
wide open areas where Johnny we can sit
0:14:19.500,0:14:24.660
there on stand and see a coyote come on
0:14:21.000,0:14:26.459
in California from a mile away yeah for
0:14:24.660,0:14:29.040
sure I've literally called in a group of
0:14:26.459,0:14:30.779
Kai it's in Alberta one time played pop
0:14:29.040,0:14:33.779
distress it was late in the stand 16
0:14:30.779,0:14:36.540
minutes and these seven coyotes come on
0:14:33.779,0:14:38.399
a string and I looked at my Max and it
0:14:36.540,0:14:39.899
was a mile and a quarter and I watched
0:14:38.399,0:14:41.820
them come all the way up to 80 yards and
0:14:39.899,0:14:43.680
I only kill one of them suckers right
0:14:41.820,0:14:46.620
all right that's how I use the how it
0:14:43.680,0:14:48.300
goes so whenever I'm calling back here
0:14:46.620,0:14:51.120
in the East and I'm calling it thicker
0:14:48.300,0:14:53.160
areas see coyotes predators and you know
0:14:51.120,0:14:54.540
this you're calling in a variety of
0:14:53.160,0:14:57.899
things when I set up a stand I could
0:14:54.540,0:14:59.880
call in an eagle a hawk an owl a [ __ ] a
0:14:57.899,0:15:01.800
coyote a fox a bobcat a mountain lion a
0:14:59.880,0:15:03.839
bear all kinds of things so they're
0:15:01.800,0:15:05.820
responding out competition right first
0:15:03.839,0:15:07.320
one there gets a full belly right and
0:15:05.820,0:15:09.060
they want the pathway of least
0:15:07.320,0:15:11.279
resistance right you want to give them
0:15:09.060,0:15:13.079
the pathway least resistance so they can
0:15:11.279,0:15:14.519
get there fast that's why Predators come
0:15:13.079,0:15:18.180
fast they don't want to weave through
0:15:14.519,0:15:20.820
you know down New York City on the strip
0:15:18.180,0:15:22.380
and get to a source of a sound you know
0:15:20.820,0:15:24.720
they want to come through wide open as
0:15:22.380,0:15:27.779
fast as they can right and that is the
0:15:24.720,0:15:30.060
biggest challenge I think is creating
0:15:27.779,0:15:32.160
those openings here in the eastern part
0:15:30.060,0:15:35.160
of the country John right and how do you
0:15:32.160,0:15:38.040
do that how do you do that and how I do
0:15:35.160,0:15:41.880
like to do that if I may is I look for
0:15:38.040,0:15:44.880
log Landings yes logging roads uh gas
0:15:41.880,0:15:46.980
lines power lines pipelines things like
0:15:44.880,0:15:49.260
that to create openings and I I bet you
0:15:46.980,0:15:50.639
have similar I was like that you know
0:15:49.260,0:15:51.899
that's that's one of the things I was
0:15:50.639,0:15:54.420
talking about even our eastern states
0:15:51.899,0:15:55.980
are so much different and it has to come
0:15:54.420,0:15:57.360
a lot of it comes down right down to
0:15:55.980,0:16:00.540
terrain just like you're talking about
0:15:57.360,0:16:02.459
you all have what I call Big Woods y'all
0:16:00.540,0:16:05.279
have these big mountains that are just
0:16:02.459,0:16:07.199
covered in big large trees and thickets
0:16:05.279,0:16:08.820
and then you get down where I'm at it's
0:16:07.199,0:16:10.199
more and now you guys have Farm country
0:16:08.820,0:16:13.019
I'm not going to say you don't have Farm
0:16:10.199,0:16:15.000
country but we have a lot more Farm
0:16:13.019,0:16:17.959
country down here in Kentucky so it's a
0:16:15.000,0:16:20.880
lot easier to get on those more
0:16:17.959,0:16:24.060
open-ish stands still not open like it
0:16:20.880,0:16:25.860
is out west sure but but you know we're
0:16:24.060,0:16:28.560
a little luckier down here in the state
0:16:25.860,0:16:31.019
of Kentucky Tennessee
0:16:28.560,0:16:32.639
um you know I don't know why the other
0:16:31.019,0:16:33.779
states to say Ohio you know they've got
0:16:32.639,0:16:35.519
a lot of open ground a lot of crop
0:16:33.779,0:16:38.000
ground and stuff like that but just like
0:16:35.519,0:16:40.560
you're saying West Virginia Pennsylvania
0:16:38.000,0:16:41.940
those areas that can be awful tough to
0:16:40.560,0:16:43.139
be able to open up a stand where you can
0:16:41.940,0:16:45.600
really see something
0:16:43.139,0:16:47.339
and I'm going to give you an idea on how
0:16:45.600,0:16:49.139
I like to hunt these areas because I
0:16:47.339,0:16:51.480
grew up in the mountains okay I grew up
0:16:49.139,0:16:52.680
in these thick you know we're calling in
0:16:51.480,0:16:54.600
turkeys in the spring I use this
0:16:52.680,0:16:55.259
illustration a lot
0:16:54.600,0:16:56.880
um
0:16:55.259,0:16:58.680
we'll be calling in turkeys and we'll
0:16:56.880,0:17:00.180
call gobbler in the 30 40 yards and
0:16:58.680,0:17:01.620
there's got Mountain Laurel so thicker
0:17:00.180,0:17:04.380
you can't even see through it 10 feet
0:17:01.620,0:17:05.819
away right so tires are responding to a
0:17:04.380,0:17:07.980
call on a four-wheeler Trail coming
0:17:05.819,0:17:09.059
through the mountains and they get
0:17:07.980,0:17:10.500
downwind of you you don't even know
0:17:09.059,0:17:12.540
they're there till you walk out and see
0:17:10.500,0:17:14.100
cut their tracks in the snow I'm telling
0:17:12.540,0:17:18.000
you I've done that more times than I
0:17:14.100,0:17:20.160
want to admit to trust me yep so what do
0:17:18.000,0:17:22.140
you do to hunt in these big thick PA
0:17:20.160,0:17:24.299
Hardwoods you got creative things find
0:17:22.140,0:17:25.880
those openings like food plots and
0:17:24.299,0:17:29.040
things like that but at the same time
0:17:25.880,0:17:31.140
know how to hunt the mountains and know
0:17:29.040,0:17:32.580
your thermals that's the most important
0:17:31.140,0:17:35.820
thing and you know that's important for
0:17:32.580,0:17:38.940
elk hunting ig2 and deer hunting but The
0:17:35.820,0:17:40.860
Thermals in the mornings the rising and
0:17:38.940,0:17:42.960
use that to your advantage so how I like
0:17:40.860,0:17:45.179
to set up in the woods and I know some
0:17:42.960,0:17:47.640
guys like touring them boys from mfk
0:17:45.179,0:17:50.220
they do this in the woods a lot too with
0:17:47.640,0:17:52.020
shotguns yep and what I like to do on
0:17:50.220,0:17:53.220
the mountains is I'll get out there if I
0:17:52.020,0:17:54.480
know there's Kites and how do I know
0:17:53.220,0:17:57.179
there's kites there I may go out and
0:17:54.480,0:17:59.039
howl them and locate them a week before
0:17:57.179,0:18:01.260
a day or two before to know that they're
0:17:59.039,0:18:03.419
staying there yep great and when they're
0:18:01.260,0:18:06.120
in yep and when they're in there I I get
0:18:03.419,0:18:07.620
two guys with me or another guy okay so
0:18:06.120,0:18:09.660
I call them my wingman they're my
0:18:07.620,0:18:12.720
snipers right John I like so I'm gonna
0:18:09.660,0:18:14.220
I'm gonna set up in the mountains and
0:18:12.720,0:18:16.440
I'm gonna try to get some elevation
0:18:14.220,0:18:17.940
because I know my predominant winds are
0:18:16.440,0:18:19.799
out of the west but my thermals are
0:18:17.940,0:18:22.280
rising so where's that coyote gonna come
0:18:19.799,0:18:26.220
from he's gonna try to get up above me
0:18:22.280,0:18:28.980
and get my win with The Thermals okay so
0:18:26.220,0:18:30.780
I'll put a guy in in these PA Hardwoods
0:18:28.980,0:18:33.360
I can maybe shoot 100 yards with the
0:18:30.780,0:18:36.360
rifle John so I'm sitting there I put
0:18:33.360,0:18:38.700
the call 40 yards out in front of me
0:18:36.360,0:18:41.039
um upwind from me sit there with a
0:18:38.700,0:18:42.539
shotgun and I have one guy about 125
0:18:41.039,0:18:44.940
yards to my right up the mountain
0:18:42.539,0:18:47.600
another guy 100 yards down to my left
0:18:44.940,0:18:49.919
down the mountain so now what I've done
0:18:47.600,0:18:51.720
instead of looking at a hundred yard
0:18:49.919,0:18:54.299
visibility straight out in front of me
0:18:51.720,0:18:57.120
I've now enhanced and increased my
0:18:54.299,0:18:59.640
visibility by 600 yards of two other
0:18:57.120,0:19:01.980
guys right right and I called him my
0:18:59.640,0:19:04.559
wingman and we've been very successful
0:19:01.980,0:19:06.360
because a lot of times what happens is
0:19:04.559,0:19:08.400
these kites if they do try to bail the
0:19:06.360,0:19:10.140
wind on you you got your wingman out
0:19:08.400,0:19:12.539
there and catching your corners and
0:19:10.140,0:19:14.760
killing these coyotes or they're gonna
0:19:12.539,0:19:16.740
go like touring them dude they come
0:19:14.760,0:19:18.600
charging right to the call and you got
0:19:16.740,0:19:21.960
the shotgun ready so that's why I put
0:19:18.600,0:19:24.600
the shotgun on top of the collar so that
0:19:21.960,0:19:27.000
method has worked very well for me it's
0:19:24.600,0:19:28.919
just spreading out the other method that
0:19:27.000,0:19:31.559
I like to do for coyotes here in the
0:19:28.919,0:19:33.480
East that I feel um and this this does
0:19:31.559,0:19:36.840
work in the West too but I feel is a
0:19:33.480,0:19:38.820
little bit more efficient is losing that
0:19:36.840,0:19:41.100
Gap to these guys don't be afraid to
0:19:38.820,0:19:43.559
move on them yep you know sometimes
0:19:41.100,0:19:45.120
you're sitting at 600 yards and these
0:19:43.559,0:19:47.880
tires are like blind going over there
0:19:45.120,0:19:49.860
but hey if you're within 300 now you're
0:19:47.880,0:19:51.600
inside the comfort zone and now it's a
0:19:49.860,0:19:53.280
totally different demeanor from them
0:19:51.600,0:19:55.260
they're going to come right and that
0:19:53.280,0:19:58.020
that is probably one of the biggest
0:19:55.260,0:19:59.940
thing biggest differences I personally
0:19:58.020,0:20:02.039
see in coyotes in the eastern states
0:19:59.940,0:20:04.260
versus the western states and even those
0:20:02.039,0:20:07.020
Midwestern states as well I'll kind of
0:20:04.260,0:20:09.419
lump them in with the western states
0:20:07.020,0:20:12.240
um coyotes will come from a lot further
0:20:09.419,0:20:13.860
farther off in the western states than
0:20:12.240,0:20:17.940
they will here in the East you just
0:20:13.860,0:20:21.000
mentioned 600 yards well Kansas Wyoming
0:20:17.940,0:20:23.880
Colorado Idaho you know all those States
0:20:21.000,0:20:25.860
like that Utah man it ain't nothing for
0:20:23.880,0:20:27.539
a coyote to come 600 yards you get a
0:20:25.860,0:20:29.700
coyote to howl back or something 600
0:20:27.539,0:20:31.080
yards you're killing that coyote I mean
0:20:29.700,0:20:35.340
he's going to be riding there right in
0:20:31.080,0:20:37.200
your lap now your Kentucky Tennessee
0:20:35.340,0:20:39.720
you know all these states here in the
0:20:37.200,0:20:41.820
East Pennsylvania if one 600 yards away
0:20:39.720,0:20:44.100
man you might have to cut half the
0:20:41.820,0:20:46.080
distance out of that coyote uh to get
0:20:44.100,0:20:48.600
him getting killed not saying that he
0:20:46.080,0:20:50.780
won't come from 600 yards but it's not
0:20:48.600,0:20:52.679
very likely it's not very likely at all
0:20:50.780,0:20:54.539
you're absolutely right you're
0:20:52.679,0:20:56.880
absolutely right and I think people are
0:20:54.539,0:20:58.919
have that tendency to not push in on
0:20:56.880,0:21:00.960
them because they're in fear of spooking
0:20:58.919,0:21:03.480
them the biggest thing is having the win
0:21:00.960,0:21:06.120
rate exactly and being able to move and
0:21:03.480,0:21:08.220
get in there and set up and you know
0:21:06.120,0:21:09.840
I've done that a lot where I've moved
0:21:08.220,0:21:11.820
towards coyotes even after I've sat
0:21:09.840,0:21:13.799
there and called 15 minutes and they
0:21:11.820,0:21:15.360
never held back I've sat there on stands
0:21:13.799,0:21:18.179
where they finally broke loose at like
0:21:15.360,0:21:19.620
16 minutes yep I'd go straight I don't
0:21:18.179,0:21:20.880
know if I can get and close enough I'll
0:21:19.620,0:21:22.919
start to stand over again and I've
0:21:20.880,0:21:24.480
killed Kai except right right
0:21:22.919,0:21:25.919
um I've been productive though in that
0:21:24.480,0:21:27.600
method and you can get away with that
0:21:25.919,0:21:29.940
stuff so easy here in the East because
0:21:27.600,0:21:31.740
of our terrain you know there's not too
0:21:29.940,0:21:34.140
many times you can see 600 yards now
0:21:31.740,0:21:36.059
Western States you better not want to
0:21:34.140,0:21:39.260
stand you know if you get a coyote 600
0:21:36.059,0:21:41.400
yards off you stand up you busted
0:21:39.260,0:21:43.919
you can't even hardly move your shooting
0:21:41.400,0:21:46.559
sticks to the right to kill that guy
0:21:43.919,0:21:49.200
coming in on the side all right let's
0:21:46.559,0:21:50.640
hunt yeah go ahead I was just gonna say
0:21:49.200,0:21:52.020
what's uh I got another quick let's
0:21:50.640,0:21:53.580
finish what she's going to say there and
0:21:52.020,0:21:55.440
we'll move on to the next little little
0:21:53.580,0:21:57.000
topic okay
0:21:55.440,0:21:59.220
um and you may cover some of these
0:21:57.000,0:22:00.659
topics but I before the end of this and
0:21:59.220,0:22:03.480
we'll kind of keep that to the end but
0:22:00.659,0:22:06.360
the three best times to hunt coyotes
0:22:03.480,0:22:07.980
that I have noticed over the last if you
0:22:06.360,0:22:10.320
want to control not I don't want to say
0:22:07.980,0:22:11.760
control guys but if you want to put a
0:22:10.320,0:22:13.799
hurting on your coyotes in your area
0:22:11.760,0:22:15.539
because we all know they can further
0:22:13.799,0:22:17.820
litter size right and have like 20 the
0:22:15.539,0:22:20.039
next year that's exaggeration but hey
0:22:17.820,0:22:22.700
yeah it wouldn't bother me if my guy was
0:22:20.039,0:22:25.260
gonna have 20. I'm not gonna complain
0:22:22.700,0:22:27.299
but I will provide the three best times
0:22:25.260,0:22:29.100
that I like to hunt kites specifically
0:22:27.299,0:22:30.900
here in the East but also I've noticed a
0:22:29.100,0:22:32.220
really good times out west okay so go
0:22:30.900,0:22:34.799
ahead with your next question oh yeah
0:22:32.220,0:22:36.900
we'll save it towards the end then all
0:22:34.799,0:22:39.240
right uh the next thing I had that I
0:22:36.900,0:22:42.120
just want to ask you Abner
0:22:39.240,0:22:44.220
um I know how I do things but uh does
0:22:42.120,0:22:47.100
your calling style does your calling
0:22:44.220,0:22:49.500
sequences change uh when calling Western
0:22:47.100,0:22:52.200
States versus versus Eastern states I
0:22:49.500,0:22:54.000
know it'll change uh from month to month
0:22:52.200,0:22:55.440
you know time period of time period but
0:22:54.000,0:22:57.419
like say
0:22:55.440,0:22:59.580
say October if you're hunting
0:22:57.419,0:23:02.159
Pennsylvania in October and then Mike
0:22:59.580,0:23:04.380
says Hey Abner next week I want you to
0:23:02.159,0:23:06.720
go to South Dakota you know just pull a
0:23:04.380,0:23:08.820
western and stay down there are you is
0:23:06.720,0:23:11.520
your calling sequences your style of
0:23:08.820,0:23:13.020
calling changing uh when you move from
0:23:11.520,0:23:15.360
east to west
0:23:13.020,0:23:17.100
mine mine does not especially if we're
0:23:15.360,0:23:18.720
talking October what is yours did John
0:23:17.100,0:23:20.100
this is yours and have you noticed yours
0:23:18.720,0:23:21.419
moving at all because I'd like you to
0:23:20.100,0:23:24.240
answer first and then I'll kind of
0:23:21.419,0:23:25.919
answers well well well my you know I get
0:23:24.240,0:23:28.559
asked that quite a bit you know when
0:23:25.919,0:23:30.179
I'll go to a certain State and then some
0:23:28.559,0:23:31.919
you know somebody on Facebook or
0:23:30.179,0:23:34.200
Instagram or wherever you know on our
0:23:31.919,0:23:35.760
social Pages we'll see that maybe I've
0:23:34.200,0:23:37.860
been to their home state and they'll
0:23:35.760,0:23:39.539
they'll you know hey what was you
0:23:37.860,0:23:40.559
calling those coyotes in on all this
0:23:39.539,0:23:41.940
type of stuff what was you doing
0:23:40.559,0:23:43.559
different than what you do back home
0:23:41.940,0:23:45.960
well
0:23:43.559,0:23:48.720
man I don't do nothing different if if
0:23:45.960,0:23:50.520
I'm if I'm calling here in the fall
0:23:48.720,0:23:52.919
months and they're burning in the say
0:23:50.520,0:23:54.240
cagey Cottontail I'm gonna go out there
0:23:52.919,0:23:55.799
and start my stands off with cagey
0:23:54.240,0:23:58.020
Cottontail or that's going to be part of
0:23:55.799,0:24:00.059
my sound sequence uh while I'm out there
0:23:58.020,0:24:03.179
I'm going to be running me personally
0:24:00.059,0:24:05.159
what works for me and whatever state I'm
0:24:03.179,0:24:06.480
in is most likely going to work wherever
0:24:05.159,0:24:09.000
I go
0:24:06.480,0:24:11.100
um you know only time my sound sequences
0:24:09.000,0:24:13.740
change it has to do with the time of
0:24:11.100,0:24:16.260
year you know I'm running a certain set
0:24:13.740,0:24:17.580
through late spring early summer then
0:24:16.260,0:24:19.260
it'll kind of change up through
0:24:17.580,0:24:21.179
mid-summer through late summer then
0:24:19.260,0:24:23.460
early fall through late fall and so on
0:24:21.179,0:24:25.080
and so on but it doesn't matter what
0:24:23.460,0:24:27.179
state I'm in it usually has more to do
0:24:25.080,0:24:30.120
with the time of year so the coyote I'll
0:24:27.179,0:24:31.980
call in Kentucky Tennessee Ohio if I go
0:24:30.120,0:24:34.320
to Kansas I'm going to run that same
0:24:31.980,0:24:36.120
exact uh sound sequence and if I go on
0:24:34.320,0:24:39.720
out to Wyoming I'm not changing a thing
0:24:36.120,0:24:41.820
might change how long I run my sound
0:24:39.720,0:24:45.059
sequence because I've noticed that
0:24:41.820,0:24:46.980
sometimes I tend to call longer out west
0:24:45.059,0:24:48.780
from the stands and I'm just wondering
0:24:46.980,0:24:51.600
how you uh kind of played your stands
0:24:48.780,0:24:53.760
out yeah yeah that's that's great input
0:24:51.600,0:24:55.980
there and I I couldn't agree anymore
0:24:53.760,0:24:58.980
with you John and you know I get this
0:24:55.980,0:25:01.559
question a lot is how often and here's
0:24:58.980,0:25:03.720
the thing we have hundreds of sounds in
0:25:01.559,0:25:06.299
Foxborough Library don't we John yes we
0:25:03.720,0:25:08.820
got awesome sounds awesome sounds but
0:25:06.299,0:25:11.520
everybody says you know it's good to
0:25:08.820,0:25:14.220
have new fresh sounds to try they all
0:25:11.520,0:25:17.580
have unique frequencies and can trigger
0:25:14.220,0:25:19.740
a response in any kind of different uh
0:25:17.580,0:25:23.100
atmosphere or weather or what have you
0:25:19.740,0:25:25.919
but I will tell you that my what I call
0:25:23.100,0:25:28.679
my variety sequence I use it no matter
0:25:25.919,0:25:30.720
if it's day or night east or west north
0:25:28.679,0:25:33.600
or south and it's just a variety
0:25:30.720,0:25:36.299
sequence and you said the key thing is
0:25:33.600,0:25:37.740
the way I freeze this is if you're
0:25:36.299,0:25:41.279
killing them on this sound and this
0:25:37.740,0:25:43.440
sequence do not change a thing until you
0:25:41.279,0:25:46.020
have to so if I set up a stand here in
0:25:43.440,0:25:48.179
the East especially October you better
0:25:46.020,0:25:50.400
believe this cat's starting out with a
0:25:48.179,0:25:55.200
baby cotton right yeah and I've used
0:25:50.400,0:25:57.200
that sound for for 18 19 years okay and
0:25:55.200,0:25:59.820
people say well they they
0:25:57.200,0:26:02.159
you know they've heard that sound for 20
0:25:59.820,0:26:04.080
for 15 years well first of all guys Fox
0:26:02.159,0:26:07.320
I don't think they live quite that long
0:26:04.080,0:26:09.659
right if it was good for Predators back
0:26:07.320,0:26:12.600
then I know it still works and that's
0:26:09.659,0:26:14.940
the key is I believe I firmly believe
0:26:12.600,0:26:18.000
that animals lack the ability to reason
0:26:14.940,0:26:19.620
that kite that fox that Kai specifically
0:26:18.000,0:26:22.140
doesn't sit out there and say baby
0:26:19.620,0:26:23.580
Cottontail old druker Miller he was out
0:26:22.140,0:26:25.820
here last year this time played that
0:26:23.580,0:26:25.820
team
0:26:26.299,0:26:31.320
no they are instinctive God created them
0:26:29.159,0:26:32.700
to be instinctive spawn instinctively
0:26:31.320,0:26:34.679
and it's amazing the instinctive
0:26:32.700,0:26:37.140
knowledge that they they have if you
0:26:34.679,0:26:40.440
want to call it knowledge but as soon as
0:26:37.140,0:26:42.179
you accept the fact that these animals
0:26:40.440,0:26:45.360
these Predators these coyotes are not
0:26:42.179,0:26:48.539
smarter than you it will make your kill
0:26:45.360,0:26:51.000
rates kill UPS right right it honestly
0:26:48.539,0:26:53.039
does and what I like to do just like you
0:26:51.000,0:26:56.279
I will start out with that sequence here
0:26:53.039,0:26:59.460
in October I've used that same sequence
0:26:56.279,0:27:02.159
baby Cottontail and I like kg but I go
0:26:59.460,0:27:04.620
to Lil's Cottontail and then
0:27:02.159,0:27:07.080
um Mrs MC Cottontail and then throw my
0:27:04.620,0:27:10.020
nutty nut hatch reigning red bird and
0:27:07.080,0:27:12.299
bull squeaks in there and in the country
0:27:10.020,0:27:14.400
I'll hit yipping coyotes and puff
0:27:12.299,0:27:18.600
distress three I'm looking at 15 minutes
0:27:14.400,0:27:21.779
of 15 minutes of uh uh stand length
0:27:18.600,0:27:23.940
there John and generally I use that
0:27:21.779,0:27:25.620
sequence I've used it for years all over
0:27:23.940,0:27:27.840
the country and it works for me and I
0:27:25.620,0:27:30.419
have called in I might throw a platinum
0:27:27.840,0:27:32.580
gray fox in there and I'm down in uh
0:27:30.419,0:27:34.980
Texas and I've called in ringtail
0:27:32.580,0:27:36.600
Bobcats coyotes great Fox Red Fox to
0:27:34.980,0:27:38.039
that sound they don't know what that
0:27:36.600,0:27:39.539
sound is they're just respond to it
0:27:38.039,0:27:42.480
because it has high energy and good
0:27:39.539,0:27:44.340
frequency response yeah so the Mason in
0:27:42.480,0:27:46.140
Texas that's uh you know I don't know
0:27:44.340,0:27:47.940
what you call Texas is like its own
0:27:46.140,0:27:49.740
country it's not even West that's not
0:27:47.940,0:27:53.340
East that's not South that's not North
0:27:49.740,0:27:56.340
yeah yeah yeah for sure so I don't
0:27:53.340,0:27:59.220
change my my sequence unless I have to
0:27:56.340,0:28:01.919
right okay and a good example of this is
0:27:59.220,0:28:03.960
I was in Kansas not long ago and it was
0:28:01.919,0:28:06.900
hot and
0:28:03.960,0:28:09.179
you know I was with John Emery great
0:28:06.900,0:28:10.740
field staff guy and he ran the call the
0:28:09.179,0:28:12.659
whole time and I love letting I love
0:28:10.740,0:28:15.419
letting other people when I'm with them
0:28:12.659,0:28:17.460
I I've had the privilege of hunting with
0:28:15.419,0:28:20.400
some awesome Predator Hunters okay and
0:28:17.460,0:28:21.900
and hunters in general and I will never
0:28:20.400,0:28:23.580
you'll never hear me saying I'm an
0:28:21.900,0:28:25.020
expert at this I'm simply experienced
0:28:23.580,0:28:27.000
because I made the mistakes but I've
0:28:25.020,0:28:29.340
learned off some really good guys like
0:28:27.000,0:28:31.260
cow Taylor Randy Watson
0:28:29.340,0:28:33.480
um you know John Embry and some great
0:28:31.260,0:28:34.799
guys even you John I mean you and I
0:28:33.480,0:28:36.960
learn off each other and if you're not
0:28:34.799,0:28:39.299
open-minded about that to adapt to new
0:28:36.960,0:28:41.940
stands and to try those things that
0:28:39.299,0:28:44.039
they're using then you're foolish not to
0:28:41.940,0:28:46.260
you know so you'll learn so much from
0:28:44.039,0:28:47.940
each other you can you can so John was
0:28:46.260,0:28:49.860
running this stand he's running the
0:28:47.940,0:28:51.779
whole week he's like you know I kind of
0:28:49.860,0:28:53.039
goofed off with him I'm like he's like
0:28:51.779,0:28:54.720
hey you're going to run the call this
0:28:53.039,0:28:56.640
time first he let me carry the call and
0:28:54.720,0:28:58.559
place it out on the stand well then I
0:28:56.640,0:29:00.419
got to run the stand and you know what I
0:28:58.559,0:29:02.039
started out with I was goofing off with
0:29:00.419,0:29:04.200
them and this just goes to show you that
0:29:02.039,0:29:05.940
coyotes can't reason he's sitting over
0:29:04.200,0:29:09.120
there and I was gonna play to call him
0:29:05.940,0:29:10.679
so I'm you to call on the x24 and I play
0:29:09.120,0:29:14.159
mountain lion and heat it's a big loud
0:29:10.679,0:29:15.900
roar he freaking dies he looks at me
0:29:14.159,0:29:18.120
like you're the
0:29:15.900,0:29:19.580
in the World Series all seriously trying
0:29:18.120,0:29:22.860
to kill coyotes
0:29:19.580,0:29:25.320
oh man yeah but you know what I started
0:29:22.860,0:29:28.799
playing I started my my sequence we just
0:29:25.320,0:29:30.899
talked about and rated nutty nuthatch a
0:29:28.799,0:29:34.679
coyote comes blazing in and we killed at
0:29:30.899,0:29:36.120
65 yards so you know that coyote sat
0:29:34.679,0:29:37.460
there and heard Little's Cottontail
0:29:36.120,0:29:39.960
heard
0:29:37.460,0:29:42.240
didn't like that but it triggered a
0:29:39.960,0:29:44.220
response that nothing not hatch now what
0:29:42.240,0:29:46.380
I'm gonna do there when I see that it
0:29:44.220,0:29:47.940
came to that sound I'm Gonna Roll with
0:29:46.380,0:29:49.980
that sequence until it stops working
0:29:47.940,0:29:52.200
right right if I don't get nothing to
0:29:49.980,0:29:54.720
work for me then I use all those sounds
0:29:52.200,0:29:57.240
that Foxborough has in their library and
0:29:54.720,0:29:58.740
mfk sounds and play a variety to try and
0:29:57.240,0:30:01.080
trigger a response I know that's what
0:29:58.740,0:30:02.520
you do too so oh that's um that's a
0:30:01.080,0:30:04.559
great point and you know I probably
0:30:02.520,0:30:06.240
should have added that earlier like I
0:30:04.559,0:30:07.860
said you know I'm not changing nothing
0:30:06.240,0:30:09.240
up if it's working for me in a certain
0:30:07.860,0:30:10.799
state if I'm going somewhere else the
0:30:09.240,0:30:12.840
following week I'm I'm running right
0:30:10.799,0:30:15.779
with that but just like Abner just said
0:30:12.840,0:30:17.700
if you start making you know there's a
0:30:15.779,0:30:20.220
point where you got to tell yourself hey
0:30:17.700,0:30:22.320
I'm making too many dry stands nothing's
0:30:20.220,0:30:24.480
coming you have got to change something
0:30:22.320,0:30:25.679
up and uh man you hit the nail right on
0:30:24.480,0:30:27.720
the head that's the time you know start
0:30:25.679,0:30:29.039
running something go out of the norm
0:30:27.720,0:30:31.140
what you usually run that time of year
0:30:29.039,0:30:33.000
maybe you just start getting some you
0:30:31.140,0:30:35.039
know triggered in a response
0:30:33.000,0:30:38.159
yeah for sure and play with those bird
0:30:35.039,0:30:40.620
sounds and hows and things so yep I love
0:30:38.159,0:30:42.120
my variety sequence you'll hear me play
0:30:40.620,0:30:44.700
it till the day I die and I know I'm
0:30:42.120,0:30:47.100
gonna kill Critters on it and I know you
0:30:44.700,0:30:49.559
know that yes yes that's that's exactly
0:30:47.100,0:30:51.419
right now oh that was uh that was in
0:30:49.559,0:30:53.520
June wasn't it late June when you were
0:30:51.419,0:30:54.960
in uh with Embry and I think we were in
0:30:53.520,0:30:57.240
Kansas in a different part of the State
0:30:54.960,0:30:57.840
uh just a week before
0:30:57.240,0:31:00.059
um
0:30:57.840,0:31:01.980
now when you guys were there I know you
0:31:00.059,0:31:04.740
all killed a few coyotes that uh were
0:31:01.980,0:31:07.320
you all seeing more responses to uh say
0:31:04.740,0:31:09.419
coyote vocal type stuff howls and pup
0:31:07.320,0:31:12.899
sounds or did you all call more to pray
0:31:09.419,0:31:15.419
distress you know we used I honestly uh
0:31:12.899,0:31:17.100
we had a few show up the house but
0:31:15.419,0:31:18.720
honestly we had more come into
0:31:17.100,0:31:21.120
pre-distress than we did in the house
0:31:18.720,0:31:23.279
and pup distress yeah and so and that's
0:31:21.120,0:31:25.679
kind of something I noticed and started
0:31:23.279,0:31:27.779
with that kind of pre-sound and sequence
0:31:25.679,0:31:29.640
with it right and see that's that's kind
0:31:27.779,0:31:31.500
of what's so amazing there I'm not going
0:31:29.640,0:31:33.360
to say that we absolutely burned it up
0:31:31.500,0:31:35.820
the week before which was in probably
0:31:33.360,0:31:37.860
two hours away from from where you guys
0:31:35.820,0:31:41.039
were hunting but every single coyote we
0:31:37.860,0:31:43.919
called into either came to a uh pup
0:31:41.039,0:31:48.120
sound or came to some sort of fight like
0:31:43.919,0:31:49.140
uh foxpros Den Heist or uh mfk's Pound
0:31:48.120,0:31:51.539
Town
0:31:49.140,0:31:53.460
um if it wasn't that it was to one of
0:31:51.539,0:31:56.100
our pup sounds either nutty nut pup or
0:31:53.460,0:31:58.260
one of the boom boom seven week pup and
0:31:56.100,0:31:59.940
all that stuff that mfk has and by the
0:31:58.260,0:32:02.039
way mfk is one of our new sponsors we've
0:31:59.940,0:32:04.919
had a partnership with them for a few
0:32:02.039,0:32:07.500
years and we just now started putting
0:32:04.919,0:32:10.500
her sounds on the gofoxpro.com website
0:32:07.500,0:32:11.880
and uh we've got to run them here over
0:32:10.500,0:32:14.279
the last couple months I'll tell you
0:32:11.880,0:32:16.260
what it's just opened up uh it's almost
0:32:14.279,0:32:18.000
like it's doubled our Sound Library I'm
0:32:16.260,0:32:20.279
still trying to learn the sounds so I
0:32:18.000,0:32:21.919
don't know all the sounds and all that I
0:32:20.279,0:32:24.179
mean just saw me so much it's almost
0:32:21.919,0:32:26.520
overwhelming you know what I mean it is
0:32:24.179,0:32:28.080
so it can be I've kind of found a few
0:32:26.520,0:32:29.279
sounds of theirs that I've liked that
0:32:28.080,0:32:30.840
sound good to me it seems like the
0:32:29.279,0:32:32.760
coyotes like them too
0:32:30.840,0:32:34.200
and you better believe that I saw you
0:32:32.760,0:32:35.700
running those sounds down there in
0:32:34.200,0:32:37.440
Kansas and I tried them out and I was
0:32:35.700,0:32:38.299
like dining sound good right because I
0:32:37.440,0:32:40.860
don't know
0:32:38.299,0:32:43.559
and I have them you better believe I got
0:32:40.860,0:32:44.880
them because I love them and uh yeah we
0:32:43.559,0:32:46.140
get into breeding season but that's a
0:32:44.880,0:32:48.120
whole nother podcast and we start
0:32:46.140,0:32:50.159
talking about how to call breed and Kyle
0:32:48.120,0:32:51.539
oh yeah we'll we'll definitely we'll
0:32:50.159,0:32:54.960
definitely cover it we can make two or
0:32:51.539,0:32:57.480
three podcasts on that yeah but I I
0:32:54.960,0:32:59.520
would say for sure that you know use
0:32:57.480,0:33:01.020
some use that sequence that you're
0:32:59.520,0:33:02.880
getting response on and stick to it
0:33:01.020,0:33:04.020
until it stops working yeah yeah for
0:33:02.880,0:33:06.000
sure
0:33:04.020,0:33:07.919
um you know we kind of touched on this a
0:33:06.000,0:33:10.820
little bit earlier but uh you know back
0:33:07.919,0:33:13.500
to that East versus West stuff you know
0:33:10.820,0:33:16.620
it seems like you don't see too many
0:33:13.500,0:33:18.840
Western Hunters that uh that come east
0:33:16.620,0:33:20.460
to hunt you do you will see a handful of
0:33:18.840,0:33:22.019
Eastern Hunters that love to go out west
0:33:20.460,0:33:23.580
every year or ever you know whenever
0:33:22.019,0:33:25.320
they get a chance
0:33:23.580,0:33:26.580
um one thing I've noticed coming from
0:33:25.320,0:33:28.980
the East
0:33:26.580,0:33:32.340
when I first started hunting the West is
0:33:28.980,0:33:33.720
the huge terrain difference and I think
0:33:32.340,0:33:35.519
it can really throw people off and
0:33:33.720,0:33:36.960
that'll work both ways even if you're a
0:33:35.519,0:33:38.640
western guy you come to the eastern
0:33:36.960,0:33:40.559
states but somebody from the East going
0:33:38.640,0:33:44.340
to the West one of the biggest things
0:33:40.559,0:33:46.799
that I've noticed is sometimes it's hard
0:33:44.340,0:33:48.299
to keep up with approaching coyotes like
0:33:46.799,0:33:50.159
you might catch a coyote coming from
0:33:48.299,0:33:52.679
long ways off and all sudden you lose it
0:33:50.159,0:33:54.539
the Coyote's still there coming but
0:33:52.679,0:33:56.039
you've just lost him because the terrain
0:33:54.539,0:34:00.679
looks so different and then another
0:33:56.039,0:34:00.679
thing is is uh judging the distance
0:34:02.360,0:34:06.419
this is a Eastern guy going out west
0:34:05.399,0:34:08.040
like you know I've been out there
0:34:06.419,0:34:09.599
hunting with my brother or other guys
0:34:08.040,0:34:10.980
filming and stuff like that there's a
0:34:09.599,0:34:13.260
coyote sitting there like I'm gonna bust
0:34:10.980,0:34:14.940
that sucker he's out there like 350. I
0:34:13.260,0:34:16.980
shoot and a bullet hits two foot in
0:34:14.940,0:34:18.839
front of it brother look somebody said
0:34:16.980,0:34:20.700
why are you shooting at things like 750
0:34:18.839,0:34:22.879
yards I was like I thought it was like
0:34:20.700,0:34:25.560
350.
0:34:22.879,0:34:27.780
sometimes you nailed it yeah tell us
0:34:25.560,0:34:29.280
about how you know some of that stuff
0:34:27.780,0:34:30.599
that might throw you off if you're on
0:34:29.280,0:34:33.179
some of these other states as far as a
0:34:30.599,0:34:35.159
Terrain major terrain differences
0:34:33.179,0:34:37.980
yeah and I'll tell you what the biggest
0:34:35.159,0:34:39.780
one for me you nailed it on uh you know
0:34:37.980,0:34:42.119
hunting elk and stuff out there and
0:34:39.780,0:34:44.520
judging yardage that's the biggest thing
0:34:42.119,0:34:46.080
growing up here in these dense Hardwoods
0:34:44.520,0:34:47.460
it's a lot easier to judge the yardage
0:34:46.080,0:34:49.859
when you get out west where you're not
0:34:47.460,0:34:52.080
where you're not uh acclimated to that
0:34:49.859,0:34:55.800
it takes a learning curve to figure that
0:34:52.080,0:34:59.280
out and honestly the hardest thing that
0:34:55.800,0:35:02.300
I think that I've run into out there is
0:34:59.280,0:35:04.800
like you said is just picking them up
0:35:02.300,0:35:07.260
seeing them man you're getting some of
0:35:04.800,0:35:09.660
that stage country sagebrushed stuff in
0:35:07.260,0:35:11.880
Wyoming and that and you know
0:35:09.660,0:35:14.640
sagebrushes got allotted in Washington
0:35:11.880,0:35:18.060
I've hunted up there with Malbec and you
0:35:14.640,0:35:20.160
see these it has Grays and and Blues in
0:35:18.060,0:35:22.320
it and greens and yeah everything looks
0:35:20.160,0:35:24.180
like a freaking coyote but what I
0:35:22.320,0:35:25.560
learned off of Big Al Morris I'll tell
0:35:24.180,0:35:27.599
you one of these things he has an
0:35:25.560,0:35:29.400
awesome solution for you when you head
0:35:27.599,0:35:33.060
out west to go hunt coyotes and that's
0:35:29.400,0:35:34.440
run your W's and U's W's and U's when
0:35:33.060,0:35:37.020
you're looking and scanning the stand
0:35:34.440,0:35:38.940
instead of going from left to right at
0:35:37.020,0:35:40.920
three o'clock to nine o'clock because
0:35:38.940,0:35:42.839
everything starts to look the same start
0:35:40.920,0:35:44.940
using your eyes and making the shape W
0:35:42.839,0:35:46.680
with your eyes you're looking up down as
0:35:44.940,0:35:49.740
you go across from three to nine John
0:35:46.680,0:35:51.480
yep and that has really helped me pick
0:35:49.740,0:35:54.060
up approaching predators and approaching
0:35:51.480,0:35:56.339
coyotes is just really scanning it a
0:35:54.060,0:35:58.500
little bit slower but also moving your
0:35:56.339,0:36:00.720
eyes up and down because terrain can
0:35:58.500,0:36:02.760
definitely throw you a curveball with
0:36:00.720,0:36:04.920
those coolies that are out there and
0:36:02.760,0:36:08.220
Sagebrush and things and the rock ledges
0:36:04.920,0:36:09.839
and all that stuff so W's and U's and
0:36:08.220,0:36:12.300
B's or whatever else whatever other
0:36:09.839,0:36:13.680
letter you want to run through there it
0:36:12.300,0:36:15.359
definitely helps and I learned that one
0:36:13.680,0:36:18.599
I'll figure out right just helps you
0:36:15.359,0:36:20.520
cover that area to catch up on catch
0:36:18.599,0:36:22.800
movement and that is one of the crazy
0:36:20.520,0:36:24.000
things is uh you know especially if
0:36:22.800,0:36:25.560
you're hunting with somebody else you
0:36:24.000,0:36:27.000
know you've experienced this many times
0:36:25.560,0:36:30.359
I know you have Abner you got a camera
0:36:27.000,0:36:32.040
guy there and uh you spot a coyote you
0:36:30.359,0:36:33.720
know way out there you know whatever 800
0:36:32.040,0:36:35.400
yards thousand yards like work you know
0:36:33.720,0:36:37.920
where's it at where's it at well it's
0:36:35.400,0:36:41.099
yeah it's out there by that bush and
0:36:37.920,0:36:42.660
they look at her like which Bush that
0:36:41.099,0:36:43.800
one out there to the left that tallest
0:36:42.660,0:36:45.359
one they're like
0:36:43.800,0:36:49.339
I don't see what your dominant there's
0:36:45.359,0:36:49.339
six million bushes out there yeah
0:36:52.160,0:36:57.540
you know there's nothing to really you
0:36:54.900,0:36:59.940
know that is a huge obstacle a huge
0:36:57.540,0:37:02.579
hurdle I think for guys in the East
0:36:59.940,0:37:04.560
going to the west and honey
0:37:02.579,0:37:06.480
um and then I think it's probably
0:37:04.560,0:37:09.420
the same thing could be said for the
0:37:06.480,0:37:11.460
guys it's in the west if they do come to
0:37:09.420,0:37:12.900
an Eastern State to hunt especially
0:37:11.460,0:37:14.160
these more timbered areas specially like
0:37:12.900,0:37:15.960
Pennsylvania though they could get up
0:37:14.160,0:37:18.839
there and feel you know you could take
0:37:15.960,0:37:20.720
uh say Cal Taylor bring him bring him up
0:37:18.839,0:37:22.619
to Pennsylvania he'll feel Plum
0:37:20.720,0:37:23.940
claustrophobic up on one of those
0:37:22.619,0:37:26.640
mountainsides trying to figure out how
0:37:23.940,0:37:27.960
to how to spot coyotes because hey just
0:37:26.640,0:37:30.000
to give you another perspective on that
0:37:27.960,0:37:31.680
Jeremy Brown down there in Maryland yeah
0:37:30.000,0:37:33.660
yeah he's hunted a lot of different
0:37:31.680,0:37:35.700
places but dude I've had him up here
0:37:33.660,0:37:37.079
hunting in these fields and in these
0:37:35.700,0:37:39.839
Woods up here in Pennsylvania he says
0:37:37.079,0:37:41.810
screw that that ain't got a country man
0:37:39.839,0:37:43.200
but we kill him but he's like
0:37:41.810,0:37:44.880
[Music]
0:37:43.200,0:37:46.440
that stuff so you're absolutely right
0:37:44.880,0:37:48.300
and gosh in the west and they come back
0:37:46.440,0:37:50.160
you're picking up that stuff and Out
0:37:48.300,0:37:53.099
West binoculars certainly helped you a
0:37:50.160,0:37:55.020
ton out there but when you're setting up
0:37:53.099,0:37:56.520
if you got a guy with you out west I
0:37:55.020,0:37:59.579
think what helps me the most and what
0:37:56.520,0:38:01.680
I've done in film for years with Foxpro
0:37:59.579,0:38:03.000
is my cameraman which you know John
0:38:01.680,0:38:06.000
could be somebody new that you never
0:38:03.000,0:38:07.980
hunted it exactly exactly so I tell
0:38:06.000,0:38:10.079
everybody look that Call's never more
0:38:07.980,0:38:12.060
than 20 40 yards away from me more than
0:38:10.079,0:38:13.440
likely okay yep that's 12 o'clock
0:38:12.060,0:38:15.599
doesn't matter if it's sitting over here
0:38:13.440,0:38:18.599
to my left or right that's 12 O'Clock
0:38:15.599,0:38:20.339
Boys yep so we're going from 12 and
0:38:18.599,0:38:22.440
we're the coyotes at we're using our
0:38:20.339,0:38:24.599
time clock right that's how we're gonna
0:38:22.440,0:38:26.880
try to get on the same page because dude
0:38:24.599,0:38:28.560
filming coyotes filming anything when
0:38:26.880,0:38:30.180
you're hunting is is difficult I always
0:38:28.560,0:38:32.220
say that it's trying to kill that animal
0:38:30.180,0:38:34.380
at the same time with two guns that's
0:38:32.220,0:38:36.720
what filming film and hunts is like so
0:38:34.380,0:38:39.060
that's something I like to use is just
0:38:36.720,0:38:40.680
use that clock to help you guys locate
0:38:39.060,0:38:43.020
those kinds together
0:38:40.680,0:38:44.520
um what do you think about what would
0:38:43.020,0:38:47.339
you call
0:38:44.520,0:38:49.500
would be a coyote hunting myth that
0:38:47.339,0:38:52.140
maybe a Eastern coyote Hunter thinks
0:38:49.500,0:38:53.760
that the West is all about I mean you
0:38:52.140,0:38:55.560
know you see this all the time when you
0:38:53.760,0:38:58.380
see these arguments you'll have a guy
0:38:55.560,0:39:00.180
you know pop off and say well if I was
0:38:58.380,0:39:02.099
hunting one of them Western States I'd
0:39:00.180,0:39:04.440
kill six times as many coyotes as I do
0:39:02.099,0:39:08.579
here I'd be you know and
0:39:04.440,0:39:11.640
that's not always true you're right
0:39:08.579,0:39:14.400
you're right and the biggest myth with
0:39:11.640,0:39:17.520
coyote hunting in in that to answer that
0:39:14.400,0:39:20.760
question dude I have went on some of the
0:39:17.520,0:39:23.460
furthest trips to the white north of
0:39:20.760,0:39:26.040
Canada and didn't kill and call any kind
0:39:23.460,0:39:28.140
of right and it was tough I don't care
0:39:26.040,0:39:31.619
if you're some of the best kayak country
0:39:28.140,0:39:34.500
in the world sometimes just have
0:39:31.619,0:39:37.260
struggled to get on their their rotation
0:39:34.500,0:39:40.320
and their movement calendar it really is
0:39:37.260,0:39:42.000
and we read we run into that a lot of
0:39:40.320,0:39:43.260
things can affect that you know that the
0:39:42.000,0:39:46.980
moon
0:39:43.260,0:39:48.839
um the wind the weather the temperatures
0:39:46.980,0:39:51.359
um breeding season a lot of things can
0:39:48.839,0:39:53.579
affect other other Hunters
0:39:51.359,0:39:55.380
other Hunters can affect that pressured
0:39:53.579,0:39:56.220
areas for sure
0:39:55.380,0:39:57.660
um
0:39:56.220,0:40:00.780
you know
0:39:57.660,0:40:02.940
I always say this that you know when you
0:40:00.780,0:40:05.400
go out west the higher density of
0:40:02.940,0:40:06.780
coyotes definitely gives you a lot of
0:40:05.400,0:40:08.160
excitement to go out there and call them
0:40:06.780,0:40:09.839
in and think you're going to kill a pile
0:40:08.160,0:40:12.240
and sometimes you do hit it right you
0:40:09.839,0:40:15.599
just do very well oh man definitely if
0:40:12.240,0:40:17.940
but what I have noticed is you know my
0:40:15.599,0:40:19.920
my brother-in-law's in in Zach hassinger
0:40:17.940,0:40:22.260
Works back here and even Cody and Andrew
0:40:19.920,0:40:23.940
oh yeah when I'm out west caught hunting
0:40:22.260,0:40:25.740
right and killing Kites and they might
0:40:23.940,0:40:27.300
be back here in Pennsylvania they're
0:40:25.740,0:40:29.460
like dude we shot eight last night well
0:40:27.300,0:40:31.500
that's awesome for around here that
0:40:29.460,0:40:33.359
night for whatever reason was good for
0:40:31.500,0:40:35.820
everybody across the whole country right
0:40:33.359,0:40:37.440
you know and I've seen that happen yeah
0:40:35.820,0:40:40.260
and I've seen that happen like a
0:40:37.440,0:40:43.140
multiple multiple times so one thing I
0:40:40.260,0:40:45.180
like to do to enhance your odds is look
0:40:43.140,0:40:48.900
for other animals moving I know you do
0:40:45.180,0:40:50.880
this if I see Hawks outposted up in
0:40:48.900,0:40:52.260
mid-afternoon out west I'm looking for
0:40:50.880,0:40:54.839
that stuff I'm looking for them to be
0:40:52.260,0:40:57.060
out hunting Fields owls things like that
0:40:54.839,0:40:59.520
at night when I see other predatory
0:40:57.060,0:41:01.920
animals out hunting that's a good
0:40:59.520,0:41:03.599
indication that coyotes are moving too
0:41:01.920,0:41:06.240
right and I see that here in the East
0:41:03.599,0:41:08.160
too so that's what I'm looking for and
0:41:06.240,0:41:09.780
that should help you enhance the right
0:41:08.160,0:41:11.579
times a good call because you hate to go
0:41:09.780,0:41:16.020
out there and blow a stand if they're
0:41:11.579,0:41:18.359
not moving yeah I know for sure I know
0:41:16.020,0:41:19.980
you do this if you start rolling on the
0:41:18.359,0:41:24.240
next day you're gonna get back and hit
0:41:19.980,0:41:27.420
that stand John oh you know it yeah yes
0:41:24.240,0:41:30.240
sir I can I can even speak to that it
0:41:27.420,0:41:32.099
was maybe three years ago maybe four I
0:41:30.240,0:41:35.099
don't know are all running together now
0:41:32.099,0:41:36.839
but getting old but I had Cody Cody
0:41:35.099,0:41:38.820
hessinger came down here for the first
0:41:36.839,0:41:40.619
time to Coyote huh now he'd been down
0:41:38.820,0:41:42.960
here to turkey hunt and all this other
0:41:40.619,0:41:46.800
stuff but uh uh we was filming for
0:41:42.960,0:41:50.099
Foxpro hunting TV I took him to some of
0:41:46.800,0:41:54.240
my best dirt my best coyote stance we
0:41:50.099,0:41:56.880
went Prime Time late October 1st of
0:41:54.240,0:41:58.200
November time time frame we called four
0:41:56.880,0:42:00.060
coyotes killed
0:41:58.200,0:42:02.220
you know I was pretty let down I was
0:42:00.060,0:42:03.660
expecting we was going to have a have a
0:42:02.220,0:42:07.140
really good trip
0:42:03.660,0:42:09.359
he leaves two weeks later I got a guy
0:42:07.140,0:42:11.400
lined up to film we go hunt
0:42:09.359,0:42:13.619
I said you know what we made one stand a
0:42:11.400,0:42:15.359
different place and did the coyote came
0:42:13.619,0:42:16.680
great you know charged right in I said
0:42:15.359,0:42:18.060
you know what we're just right down the
0:42:16.680,0:42:19.859
road from one of these stands that I
0:42:18.060,0:42:22.440
hunted with Cody and nothing showed up
0:42:19.859,0:42:24.900
we went and may ended up making every
0:42:22.440,0:42:26.820
one of those stands that I made with
0:42:24.900,0:42:28.920
Cody two weeks before we didn't kill
0:42:26.820,0:42:30.900
hardly nothing kill one coyote we ended
0:42:28.920,0:42:34.140
up killing nine coyotes in two mornings
0:42:30.900,0:42:35.339
wow honestly same exact stance so that
0:42:34.140,0:42:36.180
just goes right into what you were
0:42:35.339,0:42:39.440
saying
0:42:36.180,0:42:43.500
yeah that's awesome that's awesome yeah
0:42:39.440,0:42:45.060
and honestly these coyotes and it's it's
0:42:43.500,0:42:46.560
when they're moving and when they're
0:42:45.060,0:42:48.420
when they're there and the setup's right
0:42:46.560,0:42:50.820
it works out but out west you know
0:42:48.420,0:42:52.680
there's lots of kites I like to look for
0:42:50.820,0:42:54.720
when other things are moving for sure
0:42:52.680,0:42:57.240
yes for sure
0:42:54.720,0:42:58.800
um you know one one thing that like up
0:42:57.240,0:43:00.720
in PA you know we like say here in
0:42:58.800,0:43:03.300
Kentucky we've probably got
0:43:00.720,0:43:04.920
I think it's upwards of a million Acres
0:43:03.300,0:43:06.780
it's like eight hundred thousand to a
0:43:04.920,0:43:09.119
million Acres of public ground at State
0:43:06.780,0:43:10.680
ground wmas all that type of stuff I
0:43:09.119,0:43:12.960
know you all got a lot of State ground
0:43:10.680,0:43:16.140
up in PA I don't know what the exact
0:43:12.960,0:43:18.720
number is but uh undoubtedly the western
0:43:16.140,0:43:21.540
states have so much more public ground
0:43:18.720,0:43:23.640
so if you're a if you are a coyote
0:43:21.540,0:43:25.500
Hunter no matter where you're at you do
0:43:23.640,0:43:27.000
have more opportunities to grab up
0:43:25.500,0:43:29.099
ground in the western states because
0:43:27.000,0:43:31.500
it's free to everybody because everybody
0:43:29.099,0:43:35.099
owns it like say Wyoming for instance I
0:43:31.500,0:43:37.200
think Wyoming as a state is 50 public
0:43:35.099,0:43:40.560
you know between National Forest State
0:43:37.200,0:43:43.319
ground BLM and all that type of stuff
0:43:40.560,0:43:45.060
yeah agreed and we have and I love this
0:43:43.319,0:43:47.520
public land areas I've hunted public
0:43:45.060,0:43:49.619
land out west I've hunted a lot of
0:43:47.520,0:43:51.780
public land here in Pennsylvania
0:43:49.619,0:43:53.700
um I'm always dude you want to see my
0:43:51.780,0:43:55.980
Onyx maps and I know Onyx is a great
0:43:53.700,0:43:58.079
sponsor of Art's job but I love Onyx oh
0:43:55.980,0:44:01.020
yeah and if you look at you look at my
0:43:58.079,0:44:02.940
Onyx Maps across the country I got pins
0:44:01.020,0:44:04.680
just dropped everywhere and there's a
0:44:02.940,0:44:06.839
lot of that stuff like I was in Kansas
0:44:04.680,0:44:08.520
and I'm looking for public stuff that we
0:44:06.839,0:44:12.839
can go ahead to stand on if we need to
0:44:08.520,0:44:14.880
do it yeah yeah I drop pins all over the
0:44:12.839,0:44:18.000
place on on public land and I think
0:44:14.880,0:44:19.740
they're good to hunt and definitely
0:44:18.000,0:44:21.660
areas that you can kill Predators for
0:44:19.740,0:44:23.700
sure yeah that's that's one thing if you
0:44:21.660,0:44:26.700
are an Eastern Hunter and you would like
0:44:23.700,0:44:28.200
to go hunt out west sometime and you're
0:44:26.700,0:44:30.720
thinking well you know I'd like to go
0:44:28.200,0:44:32.760
but I ain't got nowhere to hunt well
0:44:30.720,0:44:34.380
that's pretty far from the trees because
0:44:32.760,0:44:36.960
just like we said just like States like
0:44:34.380,0:44:41.160
Wyoming it's literally 50 of the state
0:44:36.960,0:44:42.720
is public get on onyx look for BLM look
0:44:41.160,0:44:44.579
for State ground get out there and start
0:44:42.720,0:44:46.260
making coyote stands you'll be surprised
0:44:44.579,0:44:50.099
on what you'll find
0:44:46.260,0:44:50.099
absolutely absolutely
0:44:50.339,0:44:53.339
so
0:44:51.780,0:44:55.319
how are we doing on the East-West
0:44:53.339,0:44:57.480
discussion do it every clarifies and
0:44:55.319,0:44:59.339
things man I think we have we've covered
0:44:57.480,0:45:00.540
quite a bit of stuff you want to you
0:44:59.339,0:45:02.520
want to talk about what you were
0:45:00.540,0:45:05.160
alluding to earlier that uh I cut you
0:45:02.520,0:45:08.520
officer we'll save that towards the end
0:45:05.160,0:45:10.680
okay let's uh let's go into that and my
0:45:08.520,0:45:12.359
three favorite times I tell people here
0:45:10.680,0:45:14.640
in the East
0:45:12.359,0:45:16.980
um and these are good no matter what
0:45:14.640,0:45:18.900
east and west and some states allow you
0:45:16.980,0:45:21.540
to hunt all year round that's the first
0:45:18.900,0:45:23.880
thing I'll clarify John some do not okay
0:45:21.540,0:45:25.859
some allow you to hunt at night all year
0:45:23.880,0:45:28.200
round some do not so check your
0:45:25.859,0:45:31.440
regulations first but
0:45:28.200,0:45:34.800
the best some of the best times that
0:45:31.440,0:45:37.079
coyotes are very receptive to calling
0:45:34.800,0:45:38.400
and maybe some things to look for when
0:45:37.079,0:45:40.560
you're out there on your next stand or
0:45:38.400,0:45:42.720
scouting and I'm going to give you three
0:45:40.560,0:45:45.300
different times of the year and quickly
0:45:42.720,0:45:48.000
go ever why they're good times and the
0:45:45.300,0:45:51.599
first one is spring Springtime and
0:45:48.000,0:45:53.760
that's April to about May the beginning
0:45:51.599,0:45:55.440
of may even end of March is really good
0:45:53.760,0:45:57.420
so it's just after that breeding season
0:45:55.440,0:46:01.020
which we have to do another podcast on
0:45:57.420,0:46:02.640
right Big Al and you but there is a lot
0:46:01.020,0:46:05.040
of vulnerable prey animals out there in
0:46:02.640,0:46:06.960
the springtime right John fawn's laying
0:46:05.040,0:46:09.300
on the ground you got turkey sitting on
0:46:06.960,0:46:10.920
nest and they're easy bait for coyotes
0:46:09.300,0:46:13.200
but what people need to understand is
0:46:10.920,0:46:16.140
these coyotes that time of year they're
0:46:13.200,0:46:18.240
establishing their den sites okay so
0:46:16.140,0:46:20.339
they they may either have pups or
0:46:18.240,0:46:23.460
getting ready to have pups and there is
0:46:20.339,0:46:25.619
a mate and both of those mate coyotes
0:46:23.460,0:46:27.839
are going to hunt for food so let's just
0:46:25.619,0:46:29.579
look at like beginning of May there this
0:46:27.839,0:46:31.380
is a large times when you turkey hunters
0:46:29.579,0:46:33.540
have decoys up and guys charging to hit
0:46:31.380,0:46:35.220
your decoys they're targeting larger
0:46:33.540,0:46:37.260
prey animals so instead of going out and
0:46:35.220,0:46:39.540
killing six squirrels or ten rabbits
0:46:37.260,0:46:42.180
they gotta feed themselves their mate
0:46:39.540,0:46:45.480
and they're five or six pups okay all
0:46:42.180,0:46:48.420
right so Springtime is one time where I
0:46:45.480,0:46:50.819
really for two reasons they're coming to
0:46:48.420,0:46:52.260
pray distress they're looking for larger
0:46:50.819,0:46:54.480
prey animals they're falling distress
0:46:52.260,0:46:56.760
works good then even rabbit Works still
0:46:54.480,0:46:59.040
but they're locked down in an area
0:46:56.760,0:47:02.040
specifically here in the East John
0:46:59.040,0:47:04.319
they're there if I hear coyotes in April
0:47:02.040,0:47:06.720
or May guess what they got pups they're
0:47:04.319,0:47:09.119
not going anywhere now now I got and
0:47:06.720,0:47:11.460
nowhere right now I can set up and get
0:47:09.119,0:47:14.040
them killed so springtime's a good one
0:47:11.460,0:47:16.859
if you'd like to hunt summertime coyotes
0:47:14.040,0:47:19.680
I know you guys look for these two
0:47:16.859,0:47:22.380
um I like doing it here in in August and
0:47:19.680,0:47:26.339
July and August fresh cut hay fields are
0:47:22.380,0:47:29.280
money for coyotes especially for sure
0:47:26.339,0:47:30.780
yes so you have all this foliage all
0:47:29.280,0:47:32.400
year long right and people think there's
0:47:30.780,0:47:34.079
just an abundance of animals for them to
0:47:32.400,0:47:36.480
feed on well they can't find that stuff
0:47:34.079,0:47:38.520
chipmunk is under a lead for three
0:47:36.480,0:47:40.740
leaves and they're gone but they get on
0:47:38.520,0:47:42.660
a fresh cut hay field it's like watching
0:47:40.740,0:47:45.420
a rat run across a run across a golf
0:47:42.660,0:47:47.760
green you know for a diet yep so fresh
0:47:45.420,0:47:50.160
cut hay fields and then my my next third
0:47:47.760,0:47:51.839
time that I like to hunt here in the
0:47:50.160,0:47:54.000
East and Out West is just before
0:47:51.839,0:47:56.819
Thanksgiving on a dark moon day or night
0:47:54.000,0:47:59.280
I seem to pound them there right before
0:47:56.819,0:48:00.900
Thanksgiving in November I know it sucks
0:47:59.280,0:48:03.680
because we all want to kill some big
0:48:00.900,0:48:06.480
bucks but it is a great time
0:48:03.680,0:48:09.119
man I've been making coyote stands and
0:48:06.480,0:48:10.680
and look up and see a dole run across a
0:48:09.119,0:48:12.540
field and here comes this big buck
0:48:10.680,0:48:15.000
Jocelyn right behind her like what in
0:48:12.540,0:48:16.500
the world am I doing and then all sudden
0:48:15.000,0:48:18.240
a pair of coyotes runs in I remember
0:48:16.500,0:48:20.760
pretty quickly I mean it was hard
0:48:18.240,0:48:23.760
charging coyotes yeah and sometimes
0:48:20.760,0:48:25.880
those deer sets turn into a kite oh yes
0:48:23.760,0:48:28.319
you know it
0:48:25.880,0:48:30.420
so those are my three times that I've
0:48:28.319,0:48:32.819
I've seen and there's some reasons why
0:48:30.420,0:48:34.560
they're it's good times to get these
0:48:32.819,0:48:37.079
guys they're located they're done down
0:48:34.560,0:48:39.720
or they're coming to specific fresh cut
0:48:37.079,0:48:41.339
hay fields or it's just a great break in
0:48:39.720,0:48:43.200
the weather I will offer one more thing
0:48:41.339,0:48:45.240
the best time to hunt coyotes in my
0:48:43.200,0:48:47.520
opinion and predators is right before a
0:48:45.240,0:48:49.740
front not after a front I've had more
0:48:47.520,0:48:52.560
success before up front across the
0:48:49.740,0:48:55.319
country great um great tip than anywhere
0:48:52.560,0:48:58.280
else so I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you just
0:48:55.319,0:49:01.440
a handful of just quick hit questions
0:48:58.280,0:49:03.300
yep just uh so we can get a little get
0:49:01.440,0:49:06.060
to know you a little bit more Abner but
0:49:03.300,0:49:07.380
uh yeah besides for your home state of
0:49:06.060,0:49:10.619
Pennsylvania
0:49:07.380,0:49:12.000
what state is your favorite to cut call
0:49:10.619,0:49:15.060
coyotes in
0:49:12.000,0:49:16.560
coyotes right this far yeah okay we'll
0:49:15.060,0:49:19.740
stick to Coyote what fox is another
0:49:16.560,0:49:24.240
podcast yeah I got you
0:49:19.740,0:49:26.339
um my favorite state to call coyotes
0:49:24.240,0:49:29.220
um probably South Dakota
0:49:26.339,0:49:31.020
nice I love South Dakota there's lots of
0:49:29.220,0:49:33.420
public land out there too yeah for sure
0:49:31.020,0:49:35.400
there is and I like hitting that in
0:49:33.420,0:49:37.859
September there's a lot of coyotes there
0:49:35.400,0:49:39.540
it's just a really cold terrain where
0:49:37.859,0:49:41.940
you get into some of the Badlands and
0:49:39.540,0:49:44.040
you can also get into some dude it's
0:49:41.940,0:49:46.560
just I love stuff it's a good one
0:49:44.040,0:49:48.359
they've got some of those white uh tip
0:49:46.560,0:49:50.960
tail fan turkeys too
0:49:48.359,0:49:53.520
yes they do yes they do
0:49:50.960,0:49:55.500
all right though here's a good one for
0:49:53.520,0:49:57.780
you what would you rather do daytime
0:49:55.500,0:50:00.119
coyote call or would you rather call
0:49:57.780,0:50:02.280
nighttime coyotes
0:50:00.119,0:50:03.720
man I'm gonna tear it up right here I'm
0:50:02.280,0:50:06.060
gonna tell you right now
0:50:03.720,0:50:09.319
I would go nighttime thermal hunting for
0:50:06.060,0:50:11.880
coyotes anywhere in the country
0:50:09.319,0:50:14.400
and I know that's different from you I
0:50:11.880,0:50:16.740
like daytime hunting but man I love
0:50:14.400,0:50:19.380
night hunting coyotes awesome I don't
0:50:16.740,0:50:22.319
know if my body can keep doing it that's
0:50:19.380,0:50:25.740
my that's my biggest hurdle that sun
0:50:22.319,0:50:28.440
goes down my eyes get heavy I'm sure I
0:50:25.740,0:50:30.180
know it man I feel it all right what all
0:50:28.440,0:50:32.880
right here's another one for you a
0:50:30.180,0:50:36.359
bobcat and a coyote come in on the stand
0:50:32.880,0:50:37.680
at the same exact time which one you
0:50:36.359,0:50:40.380
shoot first
0:50:37.680,0:50:42.420
I'm shooting if Bobcats are in season
0:50:40.380,0:50:45.839
yeah of course
0:50:42.420,0:50:47.599
I'm shooting the cat nice you you know
0:50:45.839,0:50:50.520
you know I'm the same way
0:50:47.599,0:50:53.339
around there really I'm gonna try to hit
0:50:50.520,0:50:55.740
that pop distress at ASAP oh you know it
0:50:53.339,0:50:57.059
you know it I take I will say one thing
0:50:55.740,0:50:59.640
I have been in Opportunities where the
0:50:57.059,0:51:01.140
Bobcat kind of started to skirt away and
0:50:59.640,0:51:02.339
the coyote tries to tear and I've shot
0:51:01.140,0:51:05.700
him because you know we've had that
0:51:02.339,0:51:08.339
happen several times shoe Tech coyote I
0:51:05.700,0:51:10.559
had stupid Bobcat ends up coming right
0:51:08.339,0:51:13.680
up to the call anyway so it could still
0:51:10.559,0:51:15.420
work out for you but yeah all right
0:51:13.680,0:51:18.300
watch your uh watch your favorite unit
0:51:15.420,0:51:20.099
what units you running right now Abner I
0:51:18.300,0:51:21.780
love the x24
0:51:20.099,0:51:23.880
um that's my favorite unit that I've
0:51:21.780,0:51:25.920
I've used the last year and a half I
0:51:23.880,0:51:30.540
used the x2s for two years prior to that
0:51:25.920,0:51:33.660
yep um like the x2s the x24 I just man I
0:51:30.540,0:51:35.520
just got some crazy great sound quality
0:51:33.660,0:51:37.380
and volume capabilities
0:51:35.520,0:51:39.300
um and I know our people argue that it's
0:51:37.380,0:51:41.460
not much louder than the x2s I just like
0:51:39.300,0:51:45.119
it it works for me I like the 24-bit
0:51:41.460,0:51:46.800
Audio I can't hit here 24 bit but hey I
0:51:45.119,0:51:48.359
don't know it seems like they respond
0:51:46.800,0:51:50.520
good to it yeah if you've got the
0:51:48.359,0:51:53.819
opportunity to run the best audio
0:51:50.520,0:51:55.500
possible why not right that's right all
0:51:53.819,0:51:56.700
right I got I got another question this
0:51:55.500,0:51:57.960
is a good one this is what everybody
0:51:56.700,0:52:01.800
wants to hear
0:51:57.960,0:52:04.500
all right if watch your top three
0:52:01.800,0:52:07.079
favorite sounds like if and when I say
0:52:04.500,0:52:10.380
that what if if Mike Dylan comes to you
0:52:07.079,0:52:12.119
and says Abner you can only run three
0:52:10.380,0:52:14.640
sounds from for the rest of your life
0:52:12.119,0:52:17.520
what three sounds you picking
0:52:14.640,0:52:19.980
oh boy that's for year round year round
0:52:17.520,0:52:22.619
year round I am going for everything
0:52:19.980,0:52:24.180
coyotes Bobcats foxes you know whatever
0:52:22.619,0:52:28.140
you'd be calling
0:52:24.180,0:52:29.700
okay I'm gonna go with
0:52:28.140,0:52:32.220
um
0:52:29.700,0:52:35.400
now I'm gonna throw up for a loop here
0:52:32.220,0:52:39.440
I'm gonna go with baby Cottontail
0:52:35.400,0:52:39.440
okay that's baby baby
0:52:39.720,0:52:46.079
I'm gonna go with
0:52:42.599,0:52:48.660
little piggy distress nice nice you
0:52:46.079,0:52:50.960
don't wear it too often and that's a
0:52:48.660,0:52:55.020
secret so don't let that out of the bag
0:52:50.960,0:52:59.540
and then I'm gonna go with
0:52:55.020,0:52:59.540
I'm probably Gonna Roll with
0:53:01.220,0:53:09.780
oh nice one of my favorites as well all
0:53:05.280,0:53:12.000
right hers even hers even tougher if
0:53:09.780,0:53:14.819
Mike says will you still killing too
0:53:12.000,0:53:16.559
many coyotes and all that good stuff I'm
0:53:14.819,0:53:18.480
gonna drop you down to one sound if you
0:53:16.559,0:53:19.800
had just one sound that you'd have on
0:53:18.480,0:53:21.480
your collards you could run for the rest
0:53:19.800,0:53:24.240
of your life yeah I don't think you
0:53:21.480,0:53:25.980
could ever use walk one sound are you
0:53:24.240,0:53:27.420
gonna run with it's going to be
0:53:25.980,0:53:29.280
different than those three that I picked
0:53:27.420,0:53:32.040
so interestingly enough it's going to be
0:53:29.280,0:53:34.800
Lowell's Cottontail I like it no it's
0:53:32.040,0:53:37.440
nice can call anything with it versatile
0:53:34.800,0:53:38.700
sound pretty sounds like so many
0:53:37.440,0:53:40.800
different things it's going to be able
0:53:38.700,0:53:42.059
to cut the wind if I need it to it's
0:53:40.800,0:53:43.920
going to be able to sound like a
0:53:42.059,0:53:45.780
cottontail it can also sound like a bird
0:53:43.920,0:53:48.180
or Road and anything else it's a great
0:53:45.780,0:53:50.700
little sound yeah awesome great answers
0:53:48.180,0:53:53.339
Abner man I've enjoyed having you on
0:53:50.700,0:53:55.440
here today pretty pretty good podcast I
0:53:53.339,0:53:58.559
think I've learned a lot I appreciate it
0:53:55.440,0:53:59.819
oh man I learned from you too so I
0:53:58.559,0:54:01.260
appreciate listening to you and watching
0:53:59.819,0:54:02.579
you hunt kill all these guys awesome
0:54:01.260,0:54:04.380
yeah we're going to we're going to get
0:54:02.579,0:54:06.420
on a hunt here pretty soon
0:54:04.380,0:54:09.240
we need to do that let's make it happen
0:54:06.420,0:54:10.980
we'll do it all right guys we uh we hope
0:54:09.240,0:54:12.420
everyone enjoyed this episode we hope
0:54:10.980,0:54:15.200
you join us again right here on the
0:54:12.420,0:54:15.200
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