Jon Collins and Corey Groff from FOXPRO discuss the critical role that call placement plays in achieving success in the field.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls we're back
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with another episode of the fox Pro
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podcast I'm John Collins and today we're
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going to discuss ecall placement this
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question comes up quite a bit and call
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placement is a factor that can
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definitely make or break any predator T
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once again I've got Fox Pro staffer
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Corey gra joining us Cory you ready to
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talk about some ecall placement yes sir
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absolutely always ready to step up and
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get get some of these topics that we get
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asked about a lot nailed down and get
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some uh information out there to the
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listeners this is kind of a little bit
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different podcast here in fact that uh
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I'm actually looking right across the
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table at Cory gra we're actually
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recording on location in a uh let's call
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it coyoteville Kansas we're out here
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trying to film a few coyot stands
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actually pick pied up Cory along the way
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uh stopped in Missouri grabbed him he's
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running a camera this week and then
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we've come out here and got uh met up
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with the legendary Jeff Ryder if you
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don't know who Jeff is you need to uh
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he's actually taking a nap right now
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he's known for his naps when we're on
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his hunts but we'll hopefully get him on
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a future podcast but uh like I said our
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topic for today is ecall placement um
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you know Corey I personally believe the
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eall placement is can be considered kind
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of an art form really uh you know with
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proper ecall placement you can get away
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with a lot on a particular stand whether
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you're calling for Fox coyotes Bobcats
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what have you uh and it's one of those
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factors that has cost me a predator or
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three throughout the years I hate to
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admit it but uh I feel like I've learned
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from some of those instances before and
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it's kind of shaped how I go about ecall
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placement
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today yeah uh it's definitely I call it
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a a fundamental to your setup you know
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it's like any other sport whether it's
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you know baseball basketball you got to
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start with a fundamental we're not
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starting the call stand right at placing
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the call out but it is a very important
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fundamental to your calling setup yep
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and um fixing to get into the thick of
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this and I just want to go ahead and
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apologize to you guys if you hear some
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odd noises like I said earlier we're
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definitely not in a studio today we're
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in Old creaky uh creaky house it's got a
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lot of lot of noises going on dog
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outside barking and vehicles going by so
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if you hear a little something I'm sorry
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but this just this is as real as it gets
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here we're we're in coyot
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Camp well the first thing I want to ask
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you Corey uh to get started with with
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this topic is why is call placement
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important to a ky Hunter setup well like
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I said before you know it it's that key
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uh piece of fundamentals that you need
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um but you know I tell a lot of folks
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you know to me that's one of the one of
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the most important parts of actually
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calling is the setup so that's why it's
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very important to me and uh with that
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said you know it puts that coyote or
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bobcat in a certain position for you to
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make an ethical shot right right yeah I
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mean a lot of I think too it's kind of a
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misconception when it comes to uh with
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Ecco you know people thinking about hand
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calls you know if you're hand calling of
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course you're operating you are the
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sound the sound is coming out of your
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mouth you've got the you've either got a
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diaphragm in your mouth or you got some
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form of closed read open read whatever
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in your hand and you are emitting the
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sound out there so the sound is coming
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from you and you know people I think
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people take it for granted with the E
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calls how it you know I I made the
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comment earlier about an art form it
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there's just so much that can go into
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have you place that fox Pro out there
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whether it's in the woods in a in a
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prairie out here in Kansas where you
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know no matter where you're hunting
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across the country there is some thought
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that needs to go into placing that ecall
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placing your Fox Pro um it's just like I
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said it's something that can make or
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break a stand I think people take it for
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granted and they just say well you know
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I'm just going to walk out here 50 yards
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and set this call out there and it don't
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matter what goes on you know no matter
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where I set it or nothing like that that
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I'll just call a coyot up there and he
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gets in there a few steps of it and I'll
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just shoot him kill him there's there's
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a little bit more to it than that yeah
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there's a little bit more thought
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process into looking at your Vantage
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Point and where you think you know
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you're Predator is going to come from
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and I like how you put that as an art
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form so it it definitely you probably
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don't want to overthink it but you know
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putting some time into where you want to
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place that call out
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gets you know the attention off of you
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all the attention on the call and like I
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said it sets you up for success in the
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long run yeah and you know it's one of
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those things with with
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proper of eall placement in accordance
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to however the land rolls or wind
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direction and stuff like that you can
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actually dictate how that coyote or
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Bobcats actually going to come into the
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caller Fox how they're going to show up
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The Path they're going to take and it
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can you know it has all to do with how
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you even set your rifle up if you do
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everything exactly right uh there's
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really no hardly no need to move your
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rifle or shotgun or whatever you're
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hunting with hardly at all I mean
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there's been many instances where I've
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you know the Coyote's got to play its
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role too but there's been many instances
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I've set up a stand exactly how I I want
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to how I kind of see it working out with
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lay of the land and wind direction and
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and whatever Factor might be there that
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I'll set my rifle up PO in a certain
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direction direction to start the stand
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when a Coy comes all I got to is flip
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the safety off and shoot I mean it's
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really that simple
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right one thing I got down here uh Cory
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that I'd like to ask is is there any is
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there ever a situation where you would
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place the fox Pro but behind you what I
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mean is like you go sit down and you're
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looking out in front of you left and
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right out in front of you for a k to
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advance and you're don't have the call
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out there out in front of you where it's
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actually back behind you in a certain
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location is there ever a time that you
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do that personally no I that's just not
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kind of my call style it's really not
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the type of terrain that I hunt I can
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see where it's an advantage to a lot of
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hunters maybe even at night or in thick
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Timber type situations uh where that
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could be very effective for them me
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personally I I've never done it I guess
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I ought to try it and some you know
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situations and see how it does work but
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uh for the terrain I hunt and the area I
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hunt no sir I haven't I haven't
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experienced doing that um I have I don't
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have this particular property anymore
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but I used to have a property that had a
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I mean this was a dynamite stand one of
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those places that I would consider it
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close to 100% stand uh would usually go
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on there and make it three or four times
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a year and usually was calling coyotes
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up three or four times a year and it was
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actually a way it laid out it was
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actually a it was a pasture field a big
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hard rolling pasture field and I would
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come over the bank there was a a ranch
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road that was adjacent to a County
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Highway and you would come off the
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County Highway come onto the Ranch Road
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and then immediately just come jump the
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fence and you would go 100 another 100
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yards and you was making your
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stand and the thing was I would actually
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set the fox Pro behind me on that stand
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there's no way a coyote was going to
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come from behind me and the deal was you
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had to it's kind of hard to explain how
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this is going to look but you actually
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on this rolling Hillside going down the
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hill to look down into the
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bottom then you had a hillside in front
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of you and this big snaking draw that
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run to the right and a snaking draw that
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run to the left and just the way it
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worked out if you set the call down
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below you there was getting a situation
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where a kyote if he come up here to the
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call he would uh it long story short it
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did not work really well some reason it
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just worked out better if you would
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place the call behind you about 50 yards
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walk out past it and another thing with
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this there was no cover you was just
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sitting out there on the bare Hillside
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so it was almost like keeping them
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looking over top of you I got you but
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anyway how it usually worked out we was
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usually killing coyotes within 50 or 60
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yards and it's the only instance where I
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would ever do that and the reason we
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would do it because there was no way
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that a Coy could get behind us just how
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uh the road ran and and that type of
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stuff but saying
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that you know I would I it would have to
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be a very special situation where I
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would actually set the call behind me
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because I'm a firm believer I always
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want to be able to see my fox Pro
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because there's just been so many
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instances when I have had it right out
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there in front of me where you know you
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think you're watching everything you
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think you know everything that's going
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on and you think you would be able to
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see any kind of Predator coming from any
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kind of Direction then all a sudden you
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look over at your call and right there's
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a out standing 10 steps from it yep
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where did the dag on thing come from
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right who knows but if that car was
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sitting behind me I probably never would
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have SE seen that particular animal and
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this has happened numerous times this
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happened to us yesterday now the KY
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wasn't right up on top of the call but
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we'd been sitting there and all a sudden
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what just like he just appeared out of
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the Mist there was a coyote out in front
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of us we did not see that coyote
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approach so I always I'm not saying
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don't ever place it behind you but you
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better do it with c and I think the only
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time you do that is it's in those rare
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situations when there's no way that a Cy
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can come from behind you I always want
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to be able to see the fox Pro call uh I
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got a little surprise on this topic I
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actually reached out to uh Mike Burgess
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you know Mike real well y Mike and
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Jeremy very very good nighttime callers
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uh so when I asked Mike this question
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just because I don't do a whole lot of
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night hunting
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uh he said there is a lot of times that
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they put the call behind him at night
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especially on a big piece of property
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something that's really long and and
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wide and the reason for doing that you
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know what what Mike explained to me was
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is uh you know just to get the the
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coyotes or the foxes or whatever closer
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to their location so you know they're
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hunting in big open territory when
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they're doing this so they're they can
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see 360 around and it all really depends
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on wind direction yeah so y that was
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just a that's something I wanted to add
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to that yeah you know no it's a great
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it's a great point and some of those
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situations like it's kind of hard to
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explain and kind of hard to explain it
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where you can really picture it because
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it's like like the stand I was talking
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about earlier I can see it just pling as
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day out plays out in my mind and we used
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to film that stand quite a bit back in
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the old tooth and Claw TV days but you
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know we don't have the property anymore
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but it was just one of those deals that
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it if you had to out in front of you and
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it it kind of makes sense what you just
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said how they go about it it's it's
0:11:34.000,0:11:39.920
almost you need you need that coyote to
0:11:37.079,0:11:42.639
get closer to you to be able to see it
0:11:39.920,0:11:44.680
just because how the ground lays how it
0:11:42.639,0:11:47.079
Rose so that was the reason for kind of
0:11:44.680,0:11:49.000
putting it behind us and plus it had
0:11:47.079,0:11:50.800
them looking over top of us as well
0:11:49.000,0:11:52.600
because it was a hillside but anyway
0:11:50.800,0:11:54.440
that stand worked out that way but I've
0:11:52.600,0:11:57.120
never hunted another stand in the
0:11:54.440,0:11:58.480
daytime where that was ever was a
0:11:57.120,0:12:00.440
thought hey I'm going to put this call
0:11:58.480,0:12:03.720
behind me use it's just because I want
0:12:00.440,0:12:06.480
to be able to see it y so uh the next
0:12:03.720,0:12:08.279
thing I got here is is how far we get
0:12:06.480,0:12:10.720
this all the time when we go work these
0:12:08.279,0:12:12.959
shows and do seminars and we open the
0:12:10.720,0:12:17.440
floor up to questions and stuff this is
0:12:12.959,0:12:20.800
always a Hot Topic and uh it's asked by
0:12:17.440,0:12:23.440
new Hunters old Hunters a lot so how far
0:12:20.800,0:12:25.440
should a coyot hunter be placing the fox
0:12:23.440,0:12:27.199
Pro from their stand location from where
0:12:25.440,0:12:30.600
they're actually going to be sitting or
0:12:27.199,0:12:34.160
standing my experience I like that
0:12:30.600,0:12:37.199
call 20 to 50 yards out in front of me
0:12:34.160,0:12:38.399
or to the upwind side of the of the very
0:12:37.199,0:12:41.199
same thing we're talking about right
0:12:38.399,0:12:43.800
here call placement whether I've got
0:12:41.199,0:12:46.320
structure in the way or the wind
0:12:43.800,0:12:47.600
direction is going to dictate where
0:12:46.320,0:12:51.519
that's going to be but it's going to be
0:12:47.600,0:12:55.040
somewhere in that 20 to 50 yard range uh
0:12:51.519,0:12:56.760
upon saying that I feel like you know
0:12:55.040,0:13:00.519
you you hear this a lot guys setting
0:12:56.760,0:13:03.240
their calls out 100 200 yards yeah yeah
0:13:00.519,0:13:06.560
um it's not for me I really feel like
0:13:03.240,0:13:08.360
John that it's a huge disadvantage to
0:13:06.560,0:13:11.440
some of my calling style and the reason
0:13:08.360,0:13:13.360
I feel that way is with different
0:13:11.440,0:13:16.959
structures that far away from me you
0:13:13.360,0:13:20.320
can't see where a coyote may come in to
0:13:16.959,0:13:22.639
that call from and you could be he could
0:13:20.320,0:13:24.279
be catching sent off the call and you
0:13:22.639,0:13:27.720
never even know that he's there right
0:13:24.279,0:13:29.680
you know so to me you know that's it's I
0:13:27.720,0:13:32.000
call it like a buffer zone
0:13:29.680,0:13:34.720
you know that 20 to 50 yards and that's
0:13:32.000,0:13:36.920
where I feel comfortable as far as
0:13:34.720,0:13:39.519
distance goes not short range but
0:13:36.920,0:13:41.800
distance that's where I feel like I'm
0:13:39.519,0:13:45.560
more comfortable with right uh I think
0:13:41.800,0:13:49.279
there's really in a way to a point or to
0:13:45.560,0:13:52.680
an extent there's no 100% right or 100%
0:13:49.279,0:13:56.000
wrong answer when it comes to call PL to
0:13:52.680,0:14:00.360
distance from you from the call uh I'm
0:13:56.000,0:14:03.920
the same way it's generally 25 steps of
0:14:00.360,0:14:06.759
maybe 60 steps and if I walked out 60
0:14:03.920,0:14:08.959
steps something's got into my brain it's
0:14:06.759,0:14:11.160
making be you know that's that's a long
0:14:08.959,0:14:13.560
walk for John Collins well you see you
0:14:11.160,0:14:15.800
see something in that setup structurally
0:14:13.560,0:14:18.600
that just isn't going to work right for
0:14:15.800,0:14:20.639
20 steps right right yeah or you know
0:14:18.600,0:14:22.560
maybe if it's more open if I'm sitting
0:14:20.639,0:14:24.040
in a more open like when I say more open
0:14:22.560,0:14:26.480
area if I'm sitting in an area where I
0:14:24.040,0:14:29.120
don't have as much cover especially you
0:14:26.480,0:14:31.680
know for a daytime set I'll generally
0:14:29.120,0:14:34.720
stretch it on out there to that 40 50 60
0:14:31.680,0:14:35.759
yards just to help keep eyes off of me
0:14:34.720,0:14:37.000
you know what I mean that gives me
0:14:35.759,0:14:38.839
opportunity to get away with a little
0:14:37.000,0:14:41.240
bit of movement uh because that's the
0:14:38.839,0:14:43.120
thing the closer it is to you you know
0:14:41.240,0:14:45.160
more apt you are to be able to you know
0:14:43.120,0:14:47.279
be seen by the animal because they're
0:14:45.160,0:14:49.120
looking for that sound and if you're in
0:14:47.279,0:14:51.160
plain sight with the eall you can be
0:14:49.120,0:14:53.399
picked off very easily but yeah
0:14:51.160,0:14:56.279
generally you know I usually tell people
0:14:53.399,0:14:59.360
I'm the same way 20 to 60 steps and
0:14:56.279,0:15:01.519
usually it's at 30 or 30 or 40 you know
0:14:59.360,0:15:06.240
30 or 40 steps away is where I'm usually
0:15:01.519,0:15:07.880
placing it um it it depends on a lot of
0:15:06.240,0:15:09.720
factors you know a lot of factors and
0:15:07.880,0:15:11.959
that's what's hard to explain to people
0:15:09.720,0:15:13.279
when they ask you that it because we've
0:15:11.959,0:15:15.240
just mentioned it a minute ago it
0:15:13.279,0:15:18.440
depends on wind direction it depends on
0:15:15.240,0:15:21.399
lay of the land it depends on so many
0:15:18.440,0:15:23.399
factors uh it depends on you know it
0:15:21.399,0:15:24.720
depends on how you're sitting whether
0:15:23.399,0:15:26.720
like I was talking about if you had much
0:15:24.720,0:15:29.199
cover around you or so on there's just
0:15:26.720,0:15:31.120
so much that goes into it but on average
0:15:29.199,0:15:33.440
20 to 60 and probably when it comes
0:15:31.120,0:15:35.279
right down to it it's 30 or 40 steps you
0:15:33.440,0:15:38.000
know you've hunted in in my part of the
0:15:35.279,0:15:43.079
country we've got a lot of Rolling Hills
0:15:38.000,0:15:45.240
and deep ravines and and uh waterways
0:15:43.079,0:15:47.079
there's a lot of times I'll get to a
0:15:45.240,0:15:48.560
certain location I know it's good I know
0:15:47.079,0:15:51.199
there's there's animals there that I
0:15:48.560,0:15:53.759
want to try to call in but I just the
0:15:51.199,0:15:56.120
break you know on the on the the lay of
0:15:53.759,0:15:59.279
the land is just a little too sharp to
0:15:56.120,0:16:01.759
to put your call out at that you know 20
0:15:59.279,0:16:04.880
or 50 yards that I've been talking about
0:16:01.759,0:16:06.600
and I very rarely do this but it it is I
0:16:04.880,0:16:11.160
do do it quite a
0:16:06.600,0:16:14.399
bit I'll go Plum past that you know that
0:16:11.160,0:16:15.920
uh cutting the land that low Waterway go
0:16:14.399,0:16:17.680
through that ditch and go up on the
0:16:15.920,0:16:19.000
other opposite Hills side I'm glad you
0:16:17.680,0:16:21.360
brought that up cuz I was actually going
0:16:19.000,0:16:25.079
to mention that because if I'm placing
0:16:21.360,0:16:27.480
it further than that 50 and 60 yard Mark
0:16:25.079,0:16:29.160
or 50 or 60 steps it's usually because
0:16:27.480,0:16:32.079
of a situation like that I'm on a
0:16:29.160,0:16:34.000
hillside there's a little you know
0:16:32.079,0:16:35.639
bottom out in front of me and then
0:16:34.000,0:16:38.319
there's another Hillside out in front of
0:16:35.639,0:16:40.199
me usually when I'll walk it out further
0:16:38.319,0:16:42.600
is to put it on the opposite Hillside
0:16:40.199,0:16:43.959
just to keep coyotes over there exactly
0:16:42.600,0:16:45.480
cuz sometimes those coyotes can get away
0:16:43.959,0:16:47.600
from you if they get in that bottom get
0:16:45.480,0:16:49.560
out of sight and stuff like that so that
0:16:47.600,0:16:52.160
is the situation where I am walking it
0:16:49.560,0:16:53.959
out further and those are actually
0:16:52.160,0:16:55.480
really good setups in my in my
0:16:53.959,0:16:56.839
experience with them you cuz those are
0:16:55.480,0:16:58.519
the stands you can really get away with
0:16:56.839,0:17:00.279
a lot cuz they're over paying attention
0:16:58.519,0:17:02.160
to that Hills side you're over on this
0:17:00.279,0:17:03.360
other Hillside all by yourself some of
0:17:02.160,0:17:05.480
that you know those type of stands you
0:17:03.360,0:17:07.799
can start doing jumping jacks oh yeah
0:17:05.480,0:17:09.839
you know cuz we get I get comments all
0:17:07.799,0:17:12.120
the time man I watched your watched your
0:17:09.839,0:17:13.799
video I seen that one camera that was on
0:17:12.120,0:17:14.919
you and you're moving all over the place
0:17:13.799,0:17:17.400
how do you get away with all that
0:17:14.919,0:17:19.319
movement well guess what it's from good
0:17:17.400,0:17:21.039
call placement good call placement good
0:17:19.319,0:17:24.160
call placement and the C did his thing
0:17:21.039,0:17:25.559
and we did our thing pretty much so uh
0:17:24.160,0:17:29.520
the next question I have goes right
0:17:25.559,0:17:33.840
along with that is it possible to too
0:17:29.520,0:17:39.080
close or too far away from the fox Pro
0:17:33.840,0:17:41.600
ecall um yeah I mean absolutely uh I
0:17:39.080,0:17:46.080
don't like getting too close for one
0:17:41.600,0:17:48.280
reason uh you're you can get too close
0:17:46.080,0:17:50.520
to your unit with the remote these
0:17:48.280,0:17:52.559
remotes are really powerful that tx1000
0:17:50.520,0:17:56.520
is pretty pretty powerful if you set
0:17:52.559,0:17:58.159
right on top of it you're your your
0:17:56.520,0:17:59.480
remote's probably not going to work as
0:17:58.159,0:18:02.000
good as it would would be yeah
0:17:59.480,0:18:03.440
connectivity issue yeah yeah yeah you
0:18:02.000,0:18:07.240
know and that's just part of the game
0:18:03.440,0:18:10.360
but uh I don't want to be put on the
0:18:07.240,0:18:12.400
spot when a when a coyot or a bobcat
0:18:10.360,0:18:14.280
comes up out of their vantage point and
0:18:12.400,0:18:16.159
that's the first thing they see is a
0:18:14.280,0:18:20.039
bunch of corra sitting right over top of
0:18:16.159,0:18:23.039
the call right right no that's true now
0:18:20.039,0:18:27.039
I you know I totally agree with you I
0:18:23.039,0:18:28.159
think in a way besides for you know I
0:18:27.039,0:18:29.320
think usually you want to be about a
0:18:28.159,0:18:31.159
foot away from your
0:18:29.320,0:18:32.520
call for your remote to work properly
0:18:31.159,0:18:34.840
right so if you've got one sitting in
0:18:32.520,0:18:37.000
between your legs you could have issues
0:18:34.840,0:18:38.640
with it just working but the thing is we
0:18:37.000,0:18:40.559
was talking about the hand calling
0:18:38.640,0:18:43.440
earlier you know if you're a hand caller
0:18:40.559,0:18:45.440
guess what you are the call so I mean
0:18:43.440,0:18:48.559
you know people's been killing coyotes
0:18:45.440,0:18:51.159
and calling coyotes for forever in that
0:18:48.559,0:18:52.520
type of way so you know it it's you just
0:18:51.159,0:18:54.159
got to know you can't get away with much
0:18:52.520,0:18:55.480
movement and stuff like that it can
0:18:54.159,0:18:57.320
definitely work if it's close to you
0:18:55.480,0:18:59.640
especially if you're a shotgun Hunter
0:18:57.320,0:19:02.559
hey closer the better if you want toow
0:18:59.640,0:19:04.440
down a shot so just I don't really think
0:19:02.559,0:19:05.760
that you can put it too close besides
0:19:04.440,0:19:07.400
for you don't want to sit in between
0:19:05.760,0:19:09.000
your legs just because of the remote
0:19:07.400,0:19:12.400
connectivity thing so you need to at
0:19:09.000,0:19:14.880
least have it a couple feet away but um
0:19:12.400,0:19:16.520
I don't really see if you're you know if
0:19:14.880,0:19:17.720
you're great at sitting still and you're
0:19:16.520,0:19:19.480
not worried about getting picked off
0:19:17.720,0:19:21.600
with movement then no you can't put it
0:19:19.480,0:19:24.679
too close in my opinion now can you put
0:19:21.600,0:19:27.400
it too far yes and I'll tell you the two
0:19:24.679,0:19:29.919
main reasons I say yes I'm putting it
0:19:27.400,0:19:31.320
too far and probably some your guys are
0:19:29.919,0:19:32.440
sitting there listening CU you probably
0:19:31.320,0:19:33.720
thinking well you put it out there too
0:19:32.440,0:19:35.880
far maybe your remote won't be
0:19:33.720,0:19:39.400
connecting no that's not my issue with
0:19:35.880,0:19:41.360
it my issue is if you walk out at those
0:19:39.400,0:19:43.640
extreme distances you hear some people
0:19:41.360,0:19:45.679
talk about sometimes at two and 300
0:19:43.640,0:19:47.240
yards or even I think 100 yards is
0:19:45.679,0:19:50.799
Extreme but especially you talking about
0:19:47.240,0:19:52.559
150 200 300 yard distances think about
0:19:50.799,0:19:55.440
all that ground you just walked through
0:19:52.559,0:19:57.320
right what happens if a a coyot comes
0:19:55.440,0:19:59.200
between you and the call and comes in
0:19:57.320,0:20:01.240
burning hard or you didn't see time then
0:19:59.200,0:20:03.360
he cut your track where you walked all
0:20:01.240,0:20:05.280
the way out there laying out scent and
0:20:03.360,0:20:08.360
then walked all the way back laying down
0:20:05.280,0:20:10.200
scent you've just spread a lot of scent
0:20:08.360,0:20:11.559
that you did not have to spread out
0:20:10.200,0:20:13.200
there and it just gives you that much
0:20:11.559,0:20:15.320
more chance to get a coyote boogered up
0:20:13.200,0:20:17.960
from crossing your Trail right another
0:20:15.320,0:20:20.360
thing about that is say you put it out
0:20:17.960,0:20:22.720
there at 300 yards hey have you ever had
0:20:20.360,0:20:25.559
a if you ever set your call out there at
0:20:22.720,0:20:27.200
20 steps and had a Coy hang up at 300
0:20:25.559,0:20:28.960
yards away from you or away from the
0:20:27.200,0:20:31.760
call oh yeah well if you walk get out
0:20:28.960,0:20:33.919
there at 300 yard and then a Koke comes
0:20:31.760,0:20:36.400
for to there and is 300 yards from the
0:20:33.919,0:20:37.840
call now you got a 600 yard shot yeah so
0:20:36.400,0:20:39.880
why do you want to do that I mean you
0:20:37.840,0:20:41.960
see what I'm saying there's no there's
0:20:39.880,0:20:45.520
really no good instance for setting a
0:20:41.960,0:20:48.000
call out at those extreme extreme ranges
0:20:45.520,0:20:50.000
another and a third part to it is if
0:20:48.000,0:20:52.120
you're if you get to a spot where you'd
0:20:50.000,0:20:54.400
be sitting down to make your stand or
0:20:52.120,0:20:57.360
standing or whatever you're going to be
0:20:54.400,0:20:59.360
doing and you're going to walk out there
0:20:57.360,0:21:01.039
two or 300 yards you're covering a lot
0:20:59.360,0:21:02.240
of ground out possibly probably out
0:21:01.039,0:21:04.280
there in the open if you're going to set
0:21:02.240,0:21:06.120
it that far and that's just that much
0:21:04.280,0:21:09.120
time you could get picked off by a coyot
0:21:06.120,0:21:11.640
or a bob cat from walking yep seeing you
0:21:09.120,0:21:14.200
yep so I definitely think you can set it
0:21:11.640,0:21:15.960
out there go too far there's just no
0:21:14.200,0:21:17.279
really no reason to do that I hear that
0:21:15.960,0:21:19.240
argument all the time what if I want to
0:21:17.279,0:21:20.640
sit out there at 300 yards well why do
0:21:19.240,0:21:22.640
you want to set it out there at 300
0:21:20.640,0:21:24.880
yards yeah exactly are you moving that
0:21:22.640,0:21:26.320
much that Coy can see you know that you
0:21:24.880,0:21:28.799
got to get to call that far away from
0:21:26.320,0:21:29.960
you so you don't get picked off right
0:21:28.799,0:21:32.480
you know and everybody's got their own
0:21:29.960,0:21:34.520
thing got their own style but just like
0:21:32.480,0:21:36.480
you John for me I just can't see the
0:21:34.520,0:21:38.559
purpose in it I'm not dogging anybody
0:21:36.480,0:21:40.640
that's I mean if you want to do that by
0:21:38.559,0:21:41.640
all means do it but guess what you
0:21:40.640,0:21:43.240
probably could have walked it that there
0:21:41.640,0:21:45.360
at 50 yards and still got the same
0:21:43.240,0:21:48.080
result of calling a Coy up we've all
0:21:45.360,0:21:50.240
seen closer yeah and we've all seen that
0:21:48.080,0:21:52.159
kyot when he cuts a track he's pretty
0:21:50.240,0:21:54.520
fast when he gets out of there is he oh
0:21:52.159,0:21:56.320
yeah oh yeah oh and I it's been
0:21:54.520,0:21:58.679
situations you know like I said there
0:21:56.320,0:22:00.360
can be an art form to this there has
0:21:58.679,0:22:02.200
been situations where I'll stick to call
0:22:00.360,0:22:05.440
out a little bit further than I usually
0:22:02.200,0:22:08.320
do just to call the coyote between me
0:22:05.440,0:22:09.880
and the eall but you one if you set up a
0:22:08.320,0:22:12.440
situation like that you've got to be
0:22:09.880,0:22:15.279
able to kill that coyote before they win
0:22:12.440,0:22:17.000
the call or cut your track yep just you
0:22:15.279,0:22:18.760
know just how it is I'll tell you a
0:22:17.000,0:22:20.640
fourth I don't know I think I give three
0:22:18.760,0:22:24.760
reasons there for that I can give you a
0:22:20.640,0:22:26.159
fourth I'm lazy why in the world would I
0:22:24.760,0:22:27.720
want to walk that far out there just to
0:22:26.159,0:22:29.279
set the call and then walk all the way
0:22:27.720,0:22:31.279
back to the same distance well if you
0:22:29.279,0:22:33.200
plan on making stands all morning that's
0:22:31.279,0:22:34.919
just a stand you're going to take up and
0:22:33.200,0:22:36.480
eating up tons of time and tons of
0:22:34.919,0:22:37.760
energy then after the stand's over
0:22:36.480,0:22:39.240
whether you killed a Coy or not you
0:22:37.760,0:22:42.320
still got to walk back out there and get
0:22:39.240,0:22:44.000
the thing that's right and walk back so
0:22:42.320,0:22:46.960
anyway that's enough for that can you
0:22:44.000,0:22:48.720
set it too close or too far I definitely
0:22:46.960,0:22:50.520
think you can set it too far right like
0:22:48.720,0:22:52.880
I said there's a good buffer zone look
0:22:50.520,0:22:54.480
for that buffer zone that works for you
0:22:52.880,0:22:56.520
and by all means like we said if you
0:22:54.480,0:23:00.799
want to set it 300 yards out knock
0:22:56.520,0:23:03.279
yourself out but not for me got a good
0:23:00.799,0:23:08.600
one right here is call placement the
0:23:03.279,0:23:11.039
same for all predator species um like
0:23:08.600,0:23:14.480
for coyotes Bobcats Fox and raccoon
0:23:11.039,0:23:16.960
we'll start off with uh comparing it to
0:23:14.480,0:23:17.640
coyotes and bobcats you know is it is it
0:23:16.960,0:23:22.679
the
0:23:17.640,0:23:26.600
same uh yes and no you know um these two
0:23:22.679,0:23:29.240
species share the same you know uh
0:23:26.600,0:23:33.080
same habitat you know they they share
0:23:29.240,0:23:35.600
the same habitat so when I'm targeting
0:23:33.080,0:23:36.880
coyotes and thinking about call
0:23:35.600,0:23:40.520
placement a lot of times I'm not
0:23:36.880,0:23:42.440
thinking about a bobcat U but there's a
0:23:40.520,0:23:44.640
whole lot of similarities between the
0:23:42.440,0:23:47.279
two um
0:23:44.640,0:23:50.320
now we've talked about this before in
0:23:47.279,0:23:52.960
past podcast about call placement for
0:23:50.320,0:23:54.240
Bobcats you know and we're always
0:23:52.960,0:23:56.720
wanting to get a little bit more
0:23:54.240,0:24:00.320
adjacent to that habitat that they're
0:23:56.720,0:24:03.080
living in and and uh we want to set that
0:24:00.320,0:24:06.240
call placement out closer to those
0:24:03.080,0:24:09.000
positions and you know roughly that 50
0:24:06.240,0:24:12.279
to 100 yards away so that's what I'm
0:24:09.000,0:24:13.880
looking for in my Bobcats uh coyotes I'm
0:24:12.279,0:24:17.039
a little bit further away from those
0:24:13.880,0:24:20.960
locations but they're pretty well the
0:24:17.039,0:24:22.960
same right yep what about Fox you which
0:24:20.960,0:24:24.960
I know you kill a handful of fox a year
0:24:22.960,0:24:27.840
we're we're and we'll be the first to
0:24:24.960,0:24:30.480
admit Cory and I neither one are big fox
0:24:27.840,0:24:33.039
Hunters we both have fox in our area but
0:24:30.480,0:24:35.000
it's you know the difference between
0:24:33.039,0:24:36.840
know we might have one fox to every
0:24:35.000,0:24:39.120
especially me I might have one fox every
0:24:36.840,0:24:41.880
300 cows you know so I don't I'm
0:24:39.120,0:24:43.520
definitely not a fox expert uh do you do
0:24:41.880,0:24:45.039
anything if you I think you killed a
0:24:43.520,0:24:47.520
couple Grays last year didn't you I
0:24:45.039,0:24:50.399
killed I think four or five Gres and
0:24:47.520,0:24:52.600
that's very untypical for me right which
0:24:50.399,0:24:56.320
and like I said I we know that some you
0:24:52.600,0:24:58.760
guys are killing you know tons and tons
0:24:56.320,0:25:01.200
of Fox at all if not hundreds so want to
0:24:58.760,0:25:03.399
put the disclaimer out there we're not
0:25:01.200,0:25:05.960
Fox Hunters not I'm not what I would
0:25:03.399,0:25:07.640
call a fox CER but if you say you got a
0:25:05.960,0:25:08.799
property that you know you got a fox on
0:25:07.640,0:25:11.240
and you want to go on there and see if
0:25:08.799,0:25:13.880
you can't call that sucker up um do you
0:25:11.240,0:25:15.480
do anything different for that stand for
0:25:13.880,0:25:18.159
ecall placement that you would if you
0:25:15.480,0:25:21.320
thought you had a cow there no I treat
0:25:18.159,0:25:24.000
it the same they typically seem to work
0:25:21.320,0:25:25.919
the wind a little bit better or excuse
0:25:24.000,0:25:28.640
me not better they they typically seem
0:25:25.919,0:25:32.480
to work the wind the same especially red
0:25:28.640,0:25:34.880
fox in my experience now like John said
0:25:32.480,0:25:37.159
most of the fox that I've called in I'm
0:25:34.880,0:25:39.840
not really targeting them it they just
0:25:37.159,0:25:42.480
happen to come in by mistake and you
0:25:39.840,0:25:46.200
know but I'm glad you brought this up
0:25:42.480,0:25:47.799
because I did call some Fox Hunters yeah
0:25:46.200,0:25:51.000
you just mentioned it earlier yeah Mike
0:25:47.799,0:25:53.679
Burgess and Jeremy so yeah and I called
0:25:51.000,0:25:58.320
uh you know another Fox Hunter we we
0:25:53.679,0:26:00.960
know real well the CEO of Fox Pro oh man
0:25:58.320,0:26:05.720
I called Mike Dylan on this subject and
0:26:00.960,0:26:07.760
uh you know he explained with gray fox
0:26:05.720,0:26:10.240
that uh and I didn't really know this
0:26:07.760,0:26:13.039
about gray fox this is to tell you how
0:26:10.240,0:26:15.120
much I do know about fox hunting he said
0:26:13.039,0:26:17.760
gray fox are more family oriented
0:26:15.120,0:26:18.840
animals oh really I didn't know that
0:26:17.760,0:26:20.960
they're a little bit more family
0:26:18.840,0:26:23.640
oriented than the Reds so he said they
0:26:20.960,0:26:27.120
charge a little harder to the call just
0:26:23.640,0:26:30.480
because of that interaction being family
0:26:27.120,0:26:33.840
oriented uh so he if he's targeting gry
0:26:30.480,0:26:36.720
Fox he's not not too much concerned
0:26:33.840,0:26:40.279
about his win and call placement you
0:26:36.720,0:26:43.039
know setup it typically goes about
0:26:40.279,0:26:48.039
normal whether he's calling for coyote
0:26:43.039,0:26:51.000
or right right uh red fox he said they
0:26:48.039,0:26:54.000
will work the call working down wi side
0:26:51.000,0:26:58.760
working down wi side just like you know
0:26:54.000,0:27:00.600
a kyot would now talk to Mike Burgess uh
0:26:58.760,0:27:02.320
Mike Burgess said he treats all his
0:27:00.600,0:27:05.480
stands pretty much about the same
0:27:02.320,0:27:07.760
whether he was calling for Bobcat
0:27:05.480,0:27:09.919
coyotes foxes he said there is a little
0:27:07.760,0:27:11.320
bit of difference you know but one of
0:27:09.919,0:27:15.399
the key things I want to go back to what
0:27:11.320,0:27:17.640
Mike said uh about species at
0:27:15.399,0:27:20.399
night you know he put it in the night
0:27:17.640,0:27:22.440
term because he's more of a n Hunter he
0:27:20.399,0:27:24.360
said you know with the Implement of
0:27:22.440,0:27:26.159
thermals you know being so popular the
0:27:24.360,0:27:28.679
last few years he doesn't
0:27:26.159,0:27:30.600
really think about his call playay as
0:27:28.679,0:27:32.360
much because he can see so much more at
0:27:30.600,0:27:34.240
night but he said back in the old day
0:27:32.360,0:27:38.039
when you know they were using lights a
0:27:34.240,0:27:41.679
lot he said call placement was very key
0:27:38.039,0:27:43.000
because of their their eyes shining you
0:27:41.679,0:27:44.919
wanted them right in front of you he
0:27:43.000,0:27:47.720
said so he kept this call placement
0:27:44.919,0:27:50.159
pretty close while calling Fox at night
0:27:47.720,0:27:51.720
so he could see their eyes coming right
0:27:50.159,0:27:54.480
straight into the car get that get that
0:27:51.720,0:27:56.440
eye shine yes sir y so I'm glad I called
0:27:54.480,0:27:59.799
them guys thank you guys for answering
0:27:56.440,0:28:02.039
my questions appreciate it yep all all
0:27:59.799,0:28:04.000
of them great great resources that's for
0:28:02.039,0:28:05.080
sure the last one I got there is raccoon
0:28:04.000,0:28:07.880
what about if you're going to try to
0:28:05.080,0:28:09.399
call Coons man I love calling Coons and
0:28:07.880,0:28:12.360
matter of fact we get back from this
0:28:09.399,0:28:14.240
trip out here in Kansas uh that's what
0:28:12.360,0:28:17.080
I'm going to be started on our our [ __ ]
0:28:14.240,0:28:20.600
season for summertime starts the 1st of
0:28:17.080,0:28:22.559
August so I'm really excited about it um
0:28:20.600,0:28:26.559
once again I made another phone call
0:28:22.559,0:28:28.880
John Tory cook Tory cook now I pretty
0:28:26.559,0:28:30.600
much knew what Tory was going to was was
0:28:28.880,0:28:32.360
kind of give going to give me on answers
0:28:30.600,0:28:36.240
because I do a lot of [ __ ] calling and
0:28:32.360,0:28:38.640
it was basically about the same uh but
0:28:36.240,0:28:40.519
as you know Tori Tory hunts with a long
0:28:38.640,0:28:43.159
bow oh yeah yeah he's goingon to slock
0:28:40.519,0:28:46.799
them throw arrows through and matter of
0:28:43.159,0:28:49.799
fact he actually it was like the the day
0:28:46.799,0:28:51.360
that I sent him a message to talk about
0:28:49.799,0:28:53.880
this I didn't even know he was putting a
0:28:51.360,0:28:55.799
post up about killing Coons that day
0:28:53.880,0:28:58.440
yeah so it it was just like it went hand
0:28:55.799,0:29:02.720
inand but uh you know I was was really
0:28:58.440,0:29:06.279
intrigued how he sets up his eall for
0:29:02.720,0:29:08.399
longbo he wants it up off the ground yep
0:29:06.279,0:29:10.399
and the reason that is he wants the [ __ ]
0:29:08.399,0:29:12.600
to actually look for that call he wants
0:29:10.399,0:29:14.559
to run it wants that [ __ ] to run past
0:29:12.600,0:29:16.279
his call and have to stop and look look
0:29:14.559,0:29:18.640
around gives him a great shot
0:29:16.279,0:29:20.679
opportunity pretty cool yeah yeah and
0:29:18.640,0:29:22.360
one of the things that Tori and I talked
0:29:20.679,0:29:25.200
about and and this is one of the things
0:29:22.360,0:29:28.360
that I've done in the past if you are
0:29:25.200,0:29:30.760
targeting Den trees mhm uh you want to
0:29:28.360,0:29:33.320
keep your call placement to the opposite
0:29:30.760,0:29:35.080
side of the hole of the hole you know
0:29:33.320,0:29:37.320
that way the [ __ ] don't come out and see
0:29:35.080,0:29:40.559
your see your call you know you you kind
0:29:37.320,0:29:43.840
of hide it that way so but typically
0:29:40.559,0:29:46.200
Coons will work the wind too oh yeah so
0:29:43.840,0:29:48.720
I if I'm just blind calling and Tori
0:29:46.200,0:29:51.080
mentioned this as well but if I'm just
0:29:48.720,0:29:52.559
blind calling for [ __ ] like I don't know
0:29:51.080,0:29:55.799
where there's a dentry at but I know
0:29:52.559,0:29:58.320
there's Coons in that area I set my call
0:29:55.799,0:30:00.840
up just like I would for a coyot or
0:29:58.320,0:30:03.480
Bobcat that might come in and work try
0:30:00.840,0:30:05.360
to work the wind on me give me that Best
0:30:03.480,0:30:08.480
Shot opportunity I could
0:30:05.360,0:30:09.880
have that's good stuff yeah one thing I
0:30:08.480,0:30:12.000
think for raccoon hunting you just
0:30:09.880,0:30:14.679
mentioned it right there you know if
0:30:12.000,0:30:16.960
you're Tory hunting with a bow if
0:30:14.679,0:30:19.200
they're you're not using a bow most time
0:30:16.960,0:30:21.039
you're using either a rim fire rifle or
0:30:19.200,0:30:22.519
you're using a shotgun so one thing
0:30:21.039,0:30:24.640
about cough placement needs be fairly
0:30:22.519,0:30:28.600
close you need to be in fairly close
0:30:24.640,0:30:32.640
proximity for RAC cones um was talking
0:30:28.600,0:30:35.039
about coyotes Bobcats and fox if for me
0:30:32.640,0:30:37.799
coyotes and fox are the same for setting
0:30:35.039,0:30:39.919
a call up um that is one thing with me
0:30:37.799,0:30:42.320
if I ever do go after a fox I usually
0:30:39.919,0:30:45.840
know the fox is there I usually what
0:30:42.320,0:30:47.679
happens is seems like I usually find Fox
0:30:45.840,0:30:49.480
uh from deer hunting either I've seen
0:30:47.679,0:30:51.240
them from a tree stand or I've caught
0:30:49.480,0:30:53.559
them on trail camera so I know they're
0:30:51.240,0:30:55.320
there and and I'm making a plan to go in
0:30:53.559,0:30:57.200
there after the fox so I know I'm
0:30:55.320,0:31:00.240
calling Fox but I still sit to stand up
0:30:57.200,0:31:02.440
just like if I was calling CS right um
0:31:00.240,0:31:04.919
now Bobcats Bobcats is a little bit
0:31:02.440,0:31:06.760
different for me usually I'm set and
0:31:04.919,0:31:08.240
we're F our next question is going to be
0:31:06.760,0:31:10.720
about uh we're going to talk about
0:31:08.240,0:31:13.080
angles setting the called out at Angles
0:31:10.720,0:31:16.279
and this is my big thing for Bobcats
0:31:13.080,0:31:18.159
usually for me I'm always trying you
0:31:16.279,0:31:20.919
know I always have a good idea where I
0:31:18.159,0:31:22.639
think a bobcat is going to come from you
0:31:20.919,0:31:25.519
know and usually I can pin it down
0:31:22.639,0:31:27.960
pretty D on close right so I'm
0:31:25.519,0:31:29.720
visualizing where that cat is at and how
0:31:27.960,0:31:32.320
is going to advance to the call and
0:31:29.720,0:31:36.240
usually I'm setting using more extreme
0:31:32.320,0:31:38.200
angles of placing the call from me from
0:31:36.240,0:31:41.200
where I think that the Bobcat's going to
0:31:38.200,0:31:43.720
come from just because Bobcat's site a
0:31:41.200,0:31:46.240
bobcat site is so good and that's what
0:31:43.720,0:31:47.840
they're using is their main thing when
0:31:46.240,0:31:49.919
they come to the call is they're wanting
0:31:47.840,0:31:52.559
to see what's going on and they're
0:31:49.919,0:31:55.960
usually locked in on to it so much so I
0:31:52.559,0:31:58.240
do not want to set the fox Pro if I got
0:31:55.960,0:32:00.320
a Thicket out in front of me and I think
0:31:58.240,0:32:02.120
the Bobcats in it I don't want to set
0:32:00.320,0:32:04.559
that call just directly out in front of
0:32:02.120,0:32:06.240
me right towards that Thicket cuz the
0:32:04.559,0:32:08.120
thing is the cat's going to come right
0:32:06.240,0:32:09.720
up out of that Thicket he's going to see
0:32:08.120,0:32:11.639
the call and then he could be looking
0:32:09.720,0:32:14.159
right over top of the call right at John
0:32:11.639,0:32:16.480
Collins and I don't want that I want him
0:32:14.159,0:32:18.840
to come out and whatever's past the call
0:32:16.480,0:32:20.679
is nothing but more field or another
0:32:18.840,0:32:24.000
Thicket or whatever it is it's not the
0:32:20.679,0:32:26.559
hunter so that's my difference with uh
0:32:24.000,0:32:29.600
ky's Bobcat Fox and raccoon of course
0:32:26.559,0:32:31.760
I'm very limited on r [ __ ] I've called
0:32:29.600,0:32:33.320
him up in the past on accident but this
0:32:31.760,0:32:35.720
past year I did do a little bit of
0:32:33.320,0:32:37.480
raccoon calling and again Tory Cooks the
0:32:35.720,0:32:39.120
reason I did it you know we got to talk
0:32:37.480,0:32:41.080
about it and I thought it seemed like it
0:32:39.120,0:32:43.080
was awesome couldn't wait to try and I
0:32:41.080,0:32:44.799
had some luck uh film some up we never
0:32:43.080,0:32:47.799
did use any of it because it was pretty
0:32:44.799,0:32:49.919
rough but uh I did call Coons and I did
0:32:47.799,0:32:52.360
learn yeah about call placement a little
0:32:49.919,0:32:54.399
bit and some stuff that he told me and
0:32:52.360,0:32:55.919
then I seen it in action and actually a
0:32:54.399,0:32:57.960
couple little mistakes I guess where I
0:32:55.919,0:32:59.840
really wasn't comprehending what he was
0:32:57.960,0:33:01.840
saying but it got me in trouble but
0:32:59.840,0:33:03.240
anyway uh learn pretty quick on and I'm
0:33:01.840,0:33:05.080
looking forward to our season which it
0:33:03.240,0:33:07.200
don't come in till till closer to the
0:33:05.080,0:33:09.320
fall but uh let's get let's talk about
0:33:07.200,0:33:11.639
the angles let's talk about uh you know
0:33:09.320,0:33:15.000
your ecall placement and talk about the
0:33:11.639,0:33:17.519
angles a little bit more in depth um why
0:33:15.000,0:33:20.559
are angles important when placing your
0:33:17.519,0:33:23.279
Fox Pro ecall On Any Given stand it can
0:33:20.559,0:33:25.000
be any kind of situation well I think we
0:33:23.279,0:33:26.240
kind of we can probably Circle back to
0:33:25.000,0:33:29.039
some of the things that we've already
0:33:26.240,0:33:31.480
talked to already it's it's shot
0:33:29.039,0:33:34.519
opportunity that's probably the biggest
0:33:31.480,0:33:36.559
thing when I'm looking at Angles is
0:33:34.519,0:33:40.039
giving me the best shot opportunity on
0:33:36.559,0:33:42.159
that stand yep whether it's something I
0:33:40.039,0:33:44.559
can't see or structurally or if it's an
0:33:42.159,0:33:49.919
open piece of ground I want the best
0:33:44.559,0:33:52.000
angle for my shot opportunity right yeah
0:33:49.919,0:33:54.279
it uh one thing we haven't we mentioned
0:33:52.000,0:33:56.240
it a little bit earlier a lot of times
0:33:54.279,0:33:58.279
when it comes to angles usually the
0:33:56.240,0:34:00.600
first thing I'm thinking about when it
0:33:58.279,0:34:02.720
comes to where I'm placing my eall what
0:34:00.600,0:34:06.120
angle the eall is going to be away from
0:34:02.720,0:34:09.280
me the hunter usually has a lot to do
0:34:06.120,0:34:12.040
with the wind direction we hun a lot of
0:34:09.280,0:34:13.599
Crosswinds you know we have again like I
0:34:12.040,0:34:15.599
said about the Bob kit you usually have
0:34:13.599,0:34:18.359
a pretty good idea where our coyotes are
0:34:15.599,0:34:20.520
at how they're going to approach and
0:34:18.359,0:34:22.079
what do coyotes usually do to the sound
0:34:20.520,0:34:24.320
they're going to work to the downwind
0:34:22.079,0:34:25.320
side exactly so if you're hunting a left
0:34:24.320,0:34:27.879
to right
0:34:25.320,0:34:29.560
crosswind you got kows you think in
0:34:27.879,0:34:33.000
front of you left right crosswind I'm
0:34:29.560,0:34:35.320
going to hedge that fox Pro up to the
0:34:33.000,0:34:37.240
left I going to take it angled up to the
0:34:35.320,0:34:38.879
left and how much I angle it and that
0:34:37.240,0:34:41.560
distance I take it away from me to get
0:34:38.879,0:34:43.919
that angle that I need you know it's
0:34:41.560,0:34:46.720
depending on a lot of things but the
0:34:43.919,0:34:48.800
whole just to summarize it reason I'm
0:34:46.720,0:34:51.560
setting it up there to the upwind to the
0:34:48.800,0:34:54.079
left is because I want that coyote to
0:34:51.560,0:34:55.639
work that downwind come straight to me
0:34:54.079,0:34:57.920
I'll have my gun pointed right there in
0:34:55.639,0:35:00.359
that direction and while he's trying the
0:34:57.920,0:35:02.520
smell where the sound is coming from and
0:35:00.359,0:35:04.320
looking that way guess what you're right
0:35:02.520,0:35:06.240
there in the free and clear and you
0:35:04.320,0:35:08.359
shouldn't have to move your rifle or
0:35:06.240,0:35:10.480
shotgun or whatever you're that long bow
0:35:08.359,0:35:12.200
that Tori might be packing you don't
0:35:10.480,0:35:14.040
have to hardly move you're already set
0:35:12.200,0:35:16.599
up right there and that's where a lot of
0:35:14.040,0:35:18.000
this art form stu stuff comes in then of
0:35:16.599,0:35:19.839
course it has to do with talking about
0:35:18.000,0:35:22.839
the lay of the land can come into play
0:35:19.839,0:35:22.839
oh absolutely
0:35:23.000,0:35:29.160
absolutely but there's been many
0:35:25.839,0:35:30.760
situations um where I've not even
0:35:29.160,0:35:31.920
considered the win you know hunt a left
0:35:30.760,0:35:33.520
to right cross win I mean I'm
0:35:31.920,0:35:35.680
considering a win but not really
0:35:33.520,0:35:36.960
thinking about it for my ecall placement
0:35:35.680,0:35:38.839
and just walk it straight out there in
0:35:36.960,0:35:40.440
front of me and sure enough a coyote
0:35:38.839,0:35:42.359
work down to the downwind side either
0:35:40.440,0:35:43.720
hard right or hard left and I'm sitting
0:35:42.359,0:35:46.440
there thinking the whole
0:35:43.720,0:35:47.839
time I should have hedged the call over
0:35:46.440,0:35:50.640
that way it would have been such a
0:35:47.839,0:35:52.560
better uh better opportunity and just
0:35:50.640,0:35:54.800
like you was talking about for shot
0:35:52.560,0:35:56.960
opportunities you can dictate where that
0:35:54.800,0:35:59.359
Coyote's going to show up and it might
0:35:56.960,0:36:01.359
be it might be a stand that's got a a
0:35:59.359,0:36:04.119
weird lay to the land that there's a lot
0:36:01.359,0:36:06.520
of ground out there that a coyote or Bob
0:36:04.119,0:36:08.800
Bobcat Fox whatever that can hide from
0:36:06.520,0:36:10.240
you not that he's trying to hide from
0:36:08.800,0:36:13.240
you you just can't see him because how
0:36:10.240,0:36:15.119
it rolls so with the distance you put
0:36:13.240,0:36:17.960
the call out and the angle you put it
0:36:15.119,0:36:20.800
out you can potentially place the animal
0:36:17.960,0:36:23.800
exactly where you need it to be to kill
0:36:20.800,0:36:26.640
that c mhm we kind of did that yesterday
0:36:23.800,0:36:28.079
on the cout that came up uh we called we
0:36:26.640,0:36:30.000
called two cow yesterday Sten didn't
0:36:28.079,0:36:32.040
kill neither one of them was like dang
0:36:30.000,0:36:34.200
rookies but I thought our call placement
0:36:32.040,0:36:36.280
was pretty good and how we placed it was
0:36:34.200,0:36:38.160
in accordance to how the land was laying
0:36:36.280,0:36:40.319
in the wind direction at firstand we
0:36:38.160,0:36:42.520
actually took it I took the call what 80
0:36:40.319,0:36:43.839
yards yeah something like that 85 yards
0:36:42.520,0:36:45.359
and that's a long way for me people
0:36:43.839,0:36:47.040
ually I don't want to get it past that
0:36:45.359,0:36:48.760
30 yard Mark like we talking about
0:36:47.040,0:36:50.640
earlier but the reason I did that is
0:36:48.760,0:36:52.040
because we had this little draw that
0:36:50.640,0:36:54.560
come up and we were actually hunting
0:36:52.040,0:36:56.760
ahead of it I had to put it over there
0:36:54.560,0:36:58.200
to keep the coy out that way and get him
0:36:56.760,0:37:00.359
out there where we could
0:36:58.200,0:37:02.000
and sure enough we did it worked how it
0:37:00.359,0:37:04.000
needed to we could have killed the
0:37:02.000,0:37:05.720
coyote he sat out there we watched
0:37:04.000,0:37:07.359
filmed him for probably over a minute
0:37:05.720,0:37:08.839
yeah but the thing is we got our decoy
0:37:07.359,0:37:11.200
dogs out here we're trying to film a
0:37:08.839,0:37:13.720
decoy dog stand so anyway KY lost
0:37:11.200,0:37:16.079
interest and left he was hot it was hot
0:37:13.720,0:37:18.119
it was 101 degrees when we got out of
0:37:16.079,0:37:20.119
the truck yesterday what about that now
0:37:18.119,0:37:22.560
what kind of idiots get out and try to
0:37:20.119,0:37:24.000
call coyot in 101 degree with that's
0:37:22.560,0:37:25.720
what that coyote was doing sitting there
0:37:24.000,0:37:28.079
on his butt with his tongue hanging out
0:37:25.720,0:37:30.560
like what's going on up here this even
0:37:28.079,0:37:34.119
with it being that hot is a I ain't
0:37:30.560,0:37:36.400
lying you guys triple digits 101 degrees
0:37:34.119,0:37:40.040
when we walked at call out there and sat
0:37:36.400,0:37:42.160
down we were in the wide open Prairie we
0:37:40.040,0:37:43.560
C his coyot up out of a draw system he
0:37:42.160,0:37:45.480
was down in the shade probably laying in
0:37:43.560,0:37:46.960
the creek for all I know but we caught
0:37:45.480,0:37:49.720
him right out there in the wide open no
0:37:46.960,0:37:52.480
shading sight 101 degre sun beating down
0:37:49.720,0:37:53.720
on him and us and we were actually right
0:37:52.480,0:37:55.880
out here the middle the Prairie too we
0:37:53.720,0:37:58.240
were not setting in any kind of cover
0:37:55.880,0:38:00.319
right maybe thigh high weeds was what we
0:37:58.240,0:38:02.520
were sitting in and a coyote never saw
0:38:00.319,0:38:04.280
us no never saw us and it all has to do
0:38:02.520,0:38:07.000
with call placement and had a family
0:38:04.280,0:38:08.800
group of coyotes answer us we did we did
0:38:07.000,0:38:11.920
you know that that was pretty cool you
0:38:08.800,0:38:13.760
know 101 temperature out and you know
0:38:11.920,0:38:17.359
the wind was blowing a little bit but
0:38:13.760,0:38:20.040
it's hot and bad hot you I don't think
0:38:17.359,0:38:21.800
you could have got coyotes in my area to
0:38:20.040,0:38:25.280
respond
0:38:21.800,0:38:27.520
in1 degree temperature but I was I was
0:38:25.280,0:38:29.000
intrigued that they were over there
0:38:27.520,0:38:31.040
talking back to us it was pretty cool it
0:38:29.000,0:38:32.760
was a pretty cool setup yeah we I think
0:38:31.040,0:38:35.079
we I think we was in the right situation
0:38:32.760,0:38:37.200
for that we had um sound like a group of
0:38:35.079,0:38:39.640
pups yeah and an adult in there with
0:38:37.200,0:38:41.760
them anyway man we should have shot that
0:38:39.640,0:38:43.160
Coy yeah I wish I had that stand back
0:38:41.760,0:38:45.760
I'd send one right in there on that
0:38:43.160,0:38:49.440
sucker man lobed right in there it was
0:38:45.760,0:38:51.119
close I I think both you and Jeff had
0:38:49.440,0:38:53.240
had your finger on the trigger ready to
0:38:51.119,0:38:55.079
rock I was literally fixing we talked
0:38:53.240,0:38:57.920
about this last night I was literally
0:38:55.079,0:38:59.800
fixing to put the words out of my mouth
0:38:57.920,0:39:01.319
Jeff if you can shoot that kill that
0:38:59.800,0:39:02.760
kyot shoot because I actually had to
0:39:01.319,0:39:04.200
shoot through some weeds and stuff so I
0:39:02.760,0:39:06.000
wasn't going to shoot at it and right
0:39:04.200,0:39:08.000
when I started to say it KY turns and
0:39:06.000,0:39:10.000
walks off never to be seen again we'll
0:39:08.000,0:39:13.000
go back in the winter and get him Mo but
0:39:10.000,0:39:15.240
yeah yeah next question I got here is
0:39:13.000,0:39:17.400
what about call placement for night
0:39:15.240,0:39:19.720
hunting versus day
0:39:17.400,0:39:24.079
hunting this is a very good topic and I
0:39:19.720,0:39:26.920
really like this topic um I'm not I'm
0:39:24.079,0:39:29.720
not that night hunter that goes out you
0:39:26.920,0:39:31.960
know 50 nights a year my night Hunt's
0:39:29.720,0:39:34.640
very limited we have an 8we season in
0:39:31.960,0:39:37.560
Missouri but you know out of that 8we
0:39:34.640,0:39:42.160
season I'll probably hunt 10 days at the
0:39:37.560,0:39:45.280
most yeah um but for me you know I I
0:39:42.160,0:39:48.319
somewhat treat it just like a daytime as
0:39:45.280,0:39:51.119
far as call placement yeah uh you can
0:39:48.319,0:39:53.800
get away with a lot more obviously but I
0:39:51.119,0:39:56.560
still want that shot opportunity at
0:39:53.800,0:39:59.760
night there's still parts of the the lay
0:39:56.560,0:40:02.240
of the land that you can't see at night
0:39:59.760,0:40:03.920
and I don't want to get my call too far
0:40:02.240,0:40:07.880
out and I don't want to get it too close
0:40:03.920,0:40:10.119
to me uh just because I have had that
0:40:07.880,0:40:12.440
situation where I did feel maybe I had
0:40:10.119,0:40:14.680
my call too close to me had a cowch come
0:40:12.440,0:40:17.079
running in just wasn't able to get swung
0:40:14.680,0:40:19.200
on him like I wanted to and I really
0:40:17.079,0:40:23.560
feel it was because of my call placement
0:40:19.200,0:40:26.359
right you know so I try to treat that um
0:40:23.560,0:40:28.359
you know as I would if I was day calling
0:40:26.359,0:40:32.800
yeah and I think that's what I really
0:40:28.359,0:40:34.960
feel like me being a primarily a daytime
0:40:32.800,0:40:36.920
Hunter I feel that makes me a better
0:40:34.960,0:40:39.400
night Hunter because of the call
0:40:36.920,0:40:40.880
placement right you know that's just me
0:40:39.400,0:40:43.680
personally I don't really know that I
0:40:40.880,0:40:46.079
can't put that theory into actual truth
0:40:43.680,0:40:48.480
but right that's how I feel about it you
0:40:46.079,0:40:50.119
know well that sounds good to me you
0:40:48.480,0:40:53.920
know I really can't add nothing to that
0:40:50.119,0:40:56.079
I don't do very little of that stuff so
0:40:53.920,0:40:58.640
um glad you do have some experience with
0:40:56.079,0:41:02.760
night hunting uh to be able to answer
0:40:58.640,0:41:04.680
that but let's just uh let's say kind of
0:41:02.760,0:41:08.040
to bring all this
0:41:04.680,0:41:10.200
together say I walk up to you I'm a
0:41:08.040,0:41:13.440
brand new Hunter I see you out I said oh
0:41:10.200,0:41:16.079
my gosh is that him is that the C
0:41:13.440,0:41:19.720
Commander himself is that Corey
0:41:16.079,0:41:22.680
gr Corey I follow you on Facebook you
0:41:19.720,0:41:24.680
are a coyot killing son of a buck I've
0:41:22.680,0:41:27.560
got a question for you man I'm
0:41:24.680,0:41:29.240
struggling with ecall placement where do
0:41:27.560,0:41:31.280
I how do I need to how far out do I need
0:41:29.240,0:41:33.920
to set my call what do I need to do if I
0:41:31.280,0:41:34.880
ask you some tips on placing a call out
0:41:33.920,0:41:36.520
there cuz I'm going to go hunting
0:41:34.880,0:41:37.800
tonight I don't know nothing about it I
0:41:36.520,0:41:39.880
don't know what I'm doing what would you
0:41:37.800,0:41:42.920
tell a new Hunter you know to bring
0:41:39.880,0:41:44.440
everything together explain ecall
0:41:42.920,0:41:47.280
placement to me to make me a better
0:41:44.440,0:41:49.760
coyote Hunter so I can learn well the
0:41:47.280,0:41:53.520
first thing I'm going to tell you
0:41:49.760,0:41:54.640
is call placement is uh just I mean
0:41:53.520,0:41:56.680
everything that we've gone through
0:41:54.640,0:41:57.960
through this whole podcast uh I'm going
0:41:56.680,0:42:00.240
to tell you
0:41:57.960,0:42:03.839
don't go don't overthink it don't get it
0:42:00.240,0:42:06.599
out too far always want to keep your
0:42:03.839,0:42:09.319
downwind to where you can see off your
0:42:06.599,0:42:11.160
call placement going explain to them
0:42:09.319,0:42:15.040
about shot opportunities just like we've
0:42:11.160,0:42:17.160
talked in this podcast uh and how the
0:42:15.040,0:42:21.040
advantages are of that whether you're
0:42:17.160,0:42:23.440
daytime calling or nighttime calling um
0:42:21.040,0:42:26.240
it's hard to explain sometimes I mean
0:42:23.440,0:42:28.960
it's hard to put these things in into
0:42:26.240,0:42:32.160
words to help you guys understand what
0:42:28.960,0:42:34.480
we're talking about um you know best
0:42:32.160,0:42:37.040
thing to do if you know listen to this
0:42:34.480,0:42:40.559
podcast best thing to do is look up some
0:42:37.040,0:42:43.640
footage of guys setting call placement
0:42:40.559,0:42:45.800
out on their stands they may not be
0:42:43.640,0:42:48.240
specifically you know doing that in
0:42:45.800,0:42:51.440
their videos but you'll pick up on it
0:42:48.240,0:42:53.880
and uh it it in turn it's going to make
0:42:51.440,0:42:55.319
you a better Hunter for sure yeah I I
0:42:53.880,0:42:57.480
think you pretty much said it right
0:42:55.319,0:43:00.119
there you know when when guys ask me
0:42:57.480,0:43:01.920
this in private messages or shows we get
0:43:00.119,0:43:03.800
this a lot at shows we get a lot at
0:43:01.920,0:43:06.800
shows it's it's usually a question that
0:43:03.800,0:43:08.880
comes up with new Hunters uh that's been
0:43:06.800,0:43:11.119
going at it for a little bit but they're
0:43:08.880,0:43:13.000
still green and they'll ask a lot at
0:43:11.119,0:43:16.079
seminars and stuff like that and you
0:43:13.000,0:43:18.640
know I just tell them I said
0:43:16.079,0:43:20.680
listen don't like you just said you said
0:43:18.640,0:43:23.839
don't overthink it right don't overthink
0:43:20.680,0:43:26.119
it but be mindful of it at the same time
0:43:23.839,0:43:28.720
exactly there's no need to stretch a
0:43:26.119,0:43:31.960
call out there to 300 yards there's
0:43:28.720,0:43:36.760
really no reason for it um be looking at
0:43:31.960,0:43:40.680
that 20 to 60 steps 20 to 60 steps at 20
0:43:36.760,0:43:43.680
steps and Beyond and inside at 60 you
0:43:40.680,0:43:46.240
can get a away with a lot and that has
0:43:43.680,0:43:50.400
to do with movement or whatever it might
0:43:46.240,0:43:52.520
be um so 20 to 60
0:43:50.400,0:43:54.240
yards pay attention to your wind
0:43:52.520,0:43:56.079
direction if you're hunting Crosswinds
0:43:54.240,0:43:57.920
you can really hedge that call to the
0:43:56.079,0:43:59.280
left or right and ordance with the wind
0:43:57.920,0:44:01.200
direction like I said if it's a left to
0:43:59.280,0:44:02.760
right cross wind I'm going to hedge it
0:44:01.200,0:44:04.480
out to the left it's a right to left
0:44:02.760,0:44:05.960
cross wind I'm going to hedge it out to
0:44:04.480,0:44:09.119
the right right because they're going to
0:44:05.960,0:44:10.760
circle to that downwind side and of
0:44:09.119,0:44:13.119
course you just got to be able to shoot
0:44:10.760,0:44:16.520
them before they get to the downwind and
0:44:13.119,0:44:18.920
one thing about it they can wind the fox
0:44:16.520,0:44:20.319
Pro it's got your scent on it so you
0:44:18.920,0:44:22.440
need to get them killed before they get
0:44:20.319,0:44:24.200
to the downwind side of the call so that
0:44:22.440,0:44:27.359
is really my main thing I tell people
0:44:24.200,0:44:31.400
listen be thinking about 20 to 60 yards
0:44:27.359,0:44:33.400
set it at an angle for the wind and plus
0:44:31.400,0:44:35.000
set it at an angle so where a coyote
0:44:33.400,0:44:36.960
does approach they're not looking right
0:44:35.000,0:44:38.119
through the call right at you that way
0:44:36.960,0:44:40.720
you can get away with a little bit
0:44:38.119,0:44:42.240
movement if you need to be moving
0:44:40.720,0:44:43.880
another rule of thumb of mine that I
0:44:42.240,0:44:46.559
said earlier I always want to be able to
0:44:43.880,0:44:48.440
see it for me personally I want to be
0:44:46.559,0:44:50.200
able to see the eall you never want to
0:44:48.440,0:44:51.880
sit it down in a dip I think it's the
0:44:50.200,0:44:53.960
worst thing to sit in a dip where it's
0:44:51.880,0:44:55.480
hidden that you can't see it it's
0:44:53.960,0:44:57.359
possible that an animal could get to
0:44:55.480,0:44:59.680
that dip without you ever seeing them
0:44:57.359,0:45:01.160
and then of course time you ever do see
0:44:59.680,0:45:02.880
them at that point it's too late cuz
0:45:01.160,0:45:04.599
they probably stuck their head in the
0:45:02.880,0:45:07.040
speaker and got a whole nose full of
0:45:04.599,0:45:08.760
chph or John Collins or whoever's out
0:45:07.040,0:45:10.200
there listening and it's just you know
0:45:08.760,0:45:12.400
you've boogered up an animal that you
0:45:10.200,0:45:14.960
might not get a get a bullet in but
0:45:12.400,0:45:17.839
that's usually the the main things that
0:45:14.960,0:45:19.760
I usually cover is is that type of stuff
0:45:17.839,0:45:22.599
and again I tell them don't overthink it
0:45:19.760,0:45:24.440
but be mindful of what can happen you
0:45:22.599,0:45:26.400
know and why you need to place it
0:45:24.440,0:45:28.079
certain spots to be successful yep
0:45:26.400,0:45:32.240
that's a very good way to put it the the
0:45:28.079,0:45:34.839
mindful part I got one question for you
0:45:32.240,0:45:38.079
here for the end for a
0:45:34.839,0:45:41.119
little quick hit thing what do you think
0:45:38.079,0:45:44.440
would be the biggest ecall placement
0:45:41.119,0:45:47.720
mistake that you see or hear about from
0:45:44.440,0:45:49.800
new hunters or even a veteran Hunter the
0:45:47.720,0:45:52.680
biggest
0:45:49.800,0:45:55.119
mistake overthinking I think they
0:45:52.680,0:45:57.839
overthink it
0:45:55.119,0:45:59.880
and they get back to their location and
0:45:57.839,0:46:02.319
think that is going to
0:45:59.880,0:46:05.760
work and they find out that it's not
0:46:02.319,0:46:07.880
going to I I I really feel like there is
0:46:05.760,0:46:10.400
so many opportunities
0:46:07.880,0:46:13.960
that like you said a minute ago that
0:46:10.400,0:46:18.480
guys just ain't being mindful to
0:46:13.960,0:46:20.640
and overthinking I think is a to me
0:46:18.480,0:46:23.160
that's the most important part just yeah
0:46:20.640,0:46:25.119
just do it look at your structure look
0:46:23.160,0:46:28.720
try to look through everything through
0:46:25.119,0:46:31.640
that location and stand and do the best
0:46:28.720,0:46:34.160
you can I mean but that's how we learn
0:46:31.640,0:46:37.440
right John I mean we learn from mistakes
0:46:34.160,0:46:40.000
and you know when you and I you know
0:46:37.440,0:46:42.960
started predator hunting years ago I
0:46:40.000,0:46:44.920
mean I was 14 years old I don't know how
0:46:42.960,0:46:47.359
old you was when you started we didn't
0:46:44.920,0:46:50.280
have podcast and we didn't have YouTube
0:46:47.359,0:46:52.240
yeah yeah and it's you're going to make
0:46:50.280,0:46:54.040
mistakes but you can't you know you
0:46:52.240,0:46:56.640
can't just bury your head in the ground
0:46:54.040,0:46:58.000
because of them you know it's going to
0:46:56.640,0:47:01.000
happen
0:46:58.000,0:47:02.520
I'll um I agree with you um and I'll
0:47:01.000,0:47:06.079
answer this question as well and I've
0:47:02.520,0:47:09.000
got two two big mistakes that I see and
0:47:06.079,0:47:14.680
hear about and one of them I'll talk
0:47:09.000,0:47:18.000
about um Cody hassinger fellow Fox Pro
0:47:14.680,0:47:20.160
employee I want he's one to edits his
0:47:18.000,0:47:23.599
podcast so he's but this happened to me
0:47:20.160,0:47:26.119
and Cody this happened uh back in June
0:47:23.599,0:47:28.440
we were on a hunt and we were hunting a
0:47:26.119,0:47:29.920
a pretty tight quarter stand this is
0:47:28.440,0:47:31.400
both of our faults we should have known
0:47:29.920,0:47:33.240
better it was just a rookie mistake by
0:47:31.400,0:47:34.920
both of us really we were kind of
0:47:33.240,0:47:36.400
flustered a little bit we' made a couple
0:47:34.920,0:47:37.960
stands it just didn't work out way they
0:47:36.400,0:47:39.760
needed to we' call coyotes and they got
0:47:37.960,0:47:41.480
away from us so we was like man we got
0:47:39.760,0:47:42.839
we need a coyot we need a coyote we was
0:47:41.480,0:47:43.880
working really hard for it and we kind
0:47:42.839,0:47:47.559
of got to one of those deals where we
0:47:43.880,0:47:49.200
were overthinking it hunting a tight
0:47:47.559,0:47:51.280
tight little stand location had a bunch
0:47:49.200,0:47:53.119
of like Old Sage orange trees dotted
0:47:51.280,0:47:54.800
around so a lot of places a kyot could
0:47:53.119,0:47:58.240
come in and get behind stuff and you not
0:47:54.800,0:47:59.839
get shots off so
0:47:58.240,0:48:01.160
and the grass is a little tall we was
0:47:59.839,0:48:02.720
fighting the grass a little bit some of
0:48:01.160,0:48:04.480
that stuff was knee high then it get
0:48:02.720,0:48:06.800
down the ankle high then it'd be up to
0:48:04.480,0:48:08.200
thigh high and all that stuff so we were
0:48:06.800,0:48:10.640
out there looking we're going to sit
0:48:08.200,0:48:12.520
right here to this oage orange tree this
0:48:10.640,0:48:13.760
you know deal and we're going to set the
0:48:12.520,0:48:16.280
car right here in this spot see if we
0:48:13.760,0:48:18.040
can't get them in this lower grass well
0:48:16.280,0:48:20.400
I walk a call out there and Cody comes
0:48:18.040,0:48:22.440
with me I set the call down what we
0:48:20.400,0:48:24.599
should have done is turn around walk
0:48:22.440,0:48:26.520
right back down and sit down but we get
0:48:24.599,0:48:27.440
out there and Cody looks over to the
0:48:26.520,0:48:28.839
right and he says what do you think
0:48:27.440,0:48:30.599
about that tree over here to the right
0:48:28.839,0:48:33.760
John it's over here about another 50
0:48:30.599,0:48:34.920
yards and I say I don't know you think
0:48:33.760,0:48:38.000
we can see a little bit better from
0:48:34.920,0:48:40.599
there if we sit there and Cody says let
0:48:38.000,0:48:42.680
me go over there and look well this is
0:48:40.599,0:48:45.960
the mistake okay it is where it all went
0:48:42.680,0:48:49.000
wrong I got you Cody walked over there
0:48:45.960,0:48:51.440
to that tree 50 yards to our right which
0:48:49.000,0:48:53.839
guess what was a downwind side was the
0:48:51.440,0:48:55.359
downwind side of the call he walks over
0:48:53.839,0:48:57.359
turn around looks he says no it's kind
0:48:55.359,0:49:00.160
of a low spot we said here we can't we
0:48:57.359,0:49:02.160
see less so he walks back up here to me
0:49:00.160,0:49:04.799
then we walk back here and sit down
0:49:02.160,0:49:07.599
guess what 8 minutes in 9 minutes in her
0:49:04.799,0:49:08.880
Comes This Coy ripping in straight in I
0:49:07.599,0:49:10.880
said oh man here comes one we're gonna
0:49:08.880,0:49:14.160
kill him right here well he gets out
0:49:10.880,0:49:16.640
there about 60 or 70 yards remember guys
0:49:14.160,0:49:18.720
we got some Tall Grass we got some uh
0:49:16.640,0:49:20.559
Hedge Apple trees those o jords I don't
0:49:18.720,0:49:22.359
know what you guys call them hedge trees
0:49:20.559,0:49:24.960
yeah we got those doted around so this
0:49:22.359,0:49:26.400
Co is in view out of view in view out of
0:49:24.960,0:49:27.880
view so you know we're trying to film
0:49:26.400,0:49:30.079
him trying to get I could have shot him
0:49:27.880,0:49:31.760
a 100 times before he you know if was
0:49:30.079,0:49:35.480
just calling and killing anyway long
0:49:31.760,0:49:37.359
story short the coy gets in a good range
0:49:35.480,0:49:39.040
but then he starts to Circle down wi of
0:49:37.359,0:49:41.480
the call and when he starts to Circle
0:49:39.040,0:49:44.640
down wi of the call he is digging son I
0:49:41.480,0:49:46.799
mean kicking up dirt he coming hard I'm
0:49:44.640,0:49:49.760
thinking oh I'm mindful of myself so our
0:49:46.799,0:49:51.960
wind is perfect we're we're left right
0:49:49.760,0:49:54.319
crosswind he still got another 30 yards
0:49:51.960,0:49:57.319
to go before he ever Cuts our
0:49:54.319,0:49:59.520
wind I start to woof him this stop all a
0:49:57.319,0:50:03.119
sudden before I ever get a chance to he
0:49:59.520,0:50:05.680
locks up and immediately turns and goes
0:50:03.119,0:50:07.839
flying out of there and I'm like what in
0:50:05.680,0:50:09.280
the world what happened to the cow I'm
0:50:07.839,0:50:12.599
looking around see if anybody stood up
0:50:09.280,0:50:14.480
and started doing you know calisthenics
0:50:12.599,0:50:15.839
you know to see what happened and
0:50:14.480,0:50:17.960
everybody's like what happened to that
0:50:15.839,0:50:19.200
cow why did he run off I like man our
0:50:17.960,0:50:21.559
wind's blowing over here there's no way
0:50:19.200,0:50:23.119
he winded us and then Cody I looked over
0:50:21.559,0:50:25.160
Cody and his eyes are like you know big
0:50:23.119,0:50:27.599
around his saucers he said he cut her
0:50:25.160,0:50:30.240
track yep and and I said dang you're
0:50:27.599,0:50:31.880
right that Co it got to the spot where
0:50:30.240,0:50:33.520
we Cody said look what about this tree
0:50:31.880,0:50:37.280
over here let's walk over and check it
0:50:33.520,0:50:40.599
out he cut Cody's track walking over to
0:50:37.280,0:50:42.119
that other tree yep and so that is one
0:50:40.599,0:50:44.559
of the big mistakes and I talked about
0:50:42.119,0:50:46.640
it earlier about walking a call out at
0:50:44.559,0:50:48.440
300 yards you're laying all kinds of
0:50:46.640,0:50:49.799
scent out going 300 yards and then
0:50:48.440,0:50:52.040
you're laying another track of scent
0:50:49.799,0:50:54.160
coming back for 300 yards and it's just
0:50:52.040,0:50:57.680
a lot of sin on the ground these coyotes
0:50:54.160,0:51:00.040
live and die by their nose every single
0:50:57.680,0:51:02.599
move that a coyote makes is dictated by
0:51:00.040,0:51:05.160
its nose it doesn't matter whether it's
0:51:02.599,0:51:07.359
you know looking for a mate hunting
0:51:05.160,0:51:09.480
moving from point A to point B keeping
0:51:07.359,0:51:12.960
up with his family group coming to a fox
0:51:09.480,0:51:15.440
Pro that's screaming some juicy Fawn or
0:51:12.960,0:51:17.640
you know or whatever you know they're
0:51:15.440,0:51:21.079
using their nose and what happened that
0:51:17.640,0:51:23.839
coow run right through there and cut our
0:51:21.079,0:51:25.760
track so if you're making walking your
0:51:23.839,0:51:27.359
eall out too far landay down too much
0:51:25.760,0:51:29.200
scent or you get out there and place
0:51:27.359,0:51:31.319
your eall and start wandering around to
0:51:29.200,0:51:33.119
the left and right for no reason laying
0:51:31.319,0:51:35.119
down additional scent to the left and
0:51:33.119,0:51:36.520
right and behind the call you're just
0:51:35.119,0:51:38.280
you're just setting yourself up for
0:51:36.520,0:51:41.400
failure if a Cy gets there and gets too
0:51:38.280,0:51:43.280
close so that is one of the big ones
0:51:41.400,0:51:44.960
right there and then my other one is
0:51:43.280,0:51:46.520
setting a call down where you cannot see
0:51:44.960,0:51:49.280
it down in a low spot or something like
0:51:46.520,0:51:51.880
I see that and I I guess I've just never
0:51:49.280,0:51:53.799
really had done that to myself I try not
0:51:51.880,0:51:56.000
to you know we're stupid you know
0:51:53.799,0:51:58.359
sometimes we do stupid stuff me Cody
0:51:56.000,0:52:00.720
both look at like what why you know he
0:51:58.359,0:52:02.040
was mad you know oh yeah well you get
0:52:00.720,0:52:03.480
you know you might get to your last
0:52:02.040,0:52:05.359
stand of the day and you're in a little
0:52:03.480,0:52:06.720
bit of a hurry and you get out to place
0:52:05.359,0:52:08.200
your call and the grass is a little
0:52:06.720,0:52:09.799
taller than why what it should be and
0:52:08.200,0:52:12.079
you're like ah it'd be all right I'm
0:52:09.799,0:52:12.920
going to set it down right here yep not
0:52:12.079,0:52:15.160
being
0:52:12.920,0:52:18.119
mindful right
0:52:15.160,0:52:20.040
yep absolutely and there's been times
0:52:18.119,0:52:22.240
and that I'll tell you about a mistake
0:52:20.040,0:52:24.119
that is has bit me in the butt you know
0:52:22.240,0:52:26.079
I'm setting my stuff down getting ready
0:52:24.119,0:52:27.440
to make a stand I'm by myself and I look
0:52:26.079,0:52:28.680
out there I said yep I'm going to set my
0:52:27.440,0:52:31.319
collar right there by that tough of
0:52:28.680,0:52:33.079
grass out there and I walk it out there
0:52:31.319,0:52:35.400
and set it down and then turn around and
0:52:33.079,0:52:37.920
get out there and get situated and look
0:52:35.400,0:52:39.880
up and I see the call but right past the
0:52:37.920,0:52:42.880
call it rolls off right where you can't
0:52:39.880,0:52:45.280
see very good and I've been guilty like
0:52:42.880,0:52:47.160
ah I'll go ahead and call it anyway you
0:52:45.280,0:52:49.040
know maybe coyot will come over here and
0:52:47.160,0:52:51.040
sure enough you call a coyot up and he
0:52:49.040,0:52:52.680
runs up there to towards the call and
0:52:51.040,0:52:54.280
stops right after where it rolls off
0:52:52.680,0:52:56.200
only thing you see the tip of his ears
0:52:54.280,0:52:58.280
bet you know what I mean that's a bad
0:52:56.200,0:53:00.040
call placement I should have walked out
0:52:58.280,0:53:01.400
there and either move the call to the
0:53:00.040,0:53:03.000
right to get it out there in the wide
0:53:01.400,0:53:04.559
open KY would had to come up there where
0:53:03.000,0:53:08.000
you can see him in full view or set it
0:53:04.559,0:53:10.760
closer to me right you know and and that
0:53:08.000,0:53:13.040
those are mistakes we learn by and I've
0:53:10.760,0:53:15.520
done it I've done the same thing but get
0:53:13.040,0:53:18.160
up and i' there's times I've not gotten
0:53:15.520,0:53:20.119
up and it's bit me in the butt but I try
0:53:18.160,0:53:22.960
to if it don't look right to me I will
0:53:20.119,0:53:24.839
go and move the call U because of
0:53:22.960,0:53:26.160
stories just like that I've I've had the
0:53:24.839,0:53:27.799
same things I'm sure there's a lot of
0:53:26.160,0:53:29.559
guys listens had that happen oh
0:53:27.799,0:53:31.880
absolutely you know and you know most of
0:53:29.559,0:53:33.520
the time if I sit down and see that ah I
0:53:31.880,0:53:35.799
got need I need to move the call you
0:53:33.520,0:53:37.400
know and I'll go out there and move it
0:53:35.799,0:53:38.880
and it's a good thing I did it works out
0:53:37.400,0:53:40.640
how it needs to work out that's kind of
0:53:38.880,0:53:43.520
one of those things too where we said
0:53:40.640,0:53:45.920
don't overthink it but be mindful you
0:53:43.520,0:53:48.160
got to you got to see the mistakes that
0:53:45.920,0:53:50.599
can happen on a stand you got to
0:53:48.160,0:53:52.040
visualize it you know cuz you say man
0:53:50.599,0:53:53.440
you know a coyot could come over here
0:53:52.040,0:53:55.480
and get in this situation not getting
0:53:53.440,0:53:57.559
killed a coyot could come over here and
0:53:55.480,0:53:58.680
get down wi and win me KY could come
0:53:57.559,0:54:01.119
over here and I not have a shot
0:53:58.680,0:54:03.920
opportunity you've got to be able to see
0:54:01.119,0:54:05.920
that type of stuff happening and usually
0:54:03.920,0:54:08.720
if you see something that could go wrong
0:54:05.920,0:54:11.400
A lot of times that's going go wrong but
0:54:08.720,0:54:13.280
try to pick that out before you exactly
0:54:11.400,0:54:15.640
go and stand there just like you and
0:54:13.280,0:54:18.400
Cody did I'm you know you made a mistake
0:54:15.640,0:54:20.400
and that's we almost did it today we
0:54:18.400,0:54:21.839
this Last Stand we made this morning if
0:54:20.400,0:54:23.280
we got up and we standing around
0:54:21.839,0:54:24.839
absolutely and we was looking said man
0:54:23.280,0:54:27.119
can't really see all that good right
0:54:24.839,0:54:29.559
here and they got a a you know was kind
0:54:27.119,0:54:32.040
of cheating a wind wind angle tight
0:54:29.559,0:54:34.119
stand a very similar situation it's a
0:54:32.040,0:54:36.640
very similar situation to what what we
0:54:34.119,0:54:38.319
did yeah and you know I actually walked
0:54:36.640,0:54:39.520
kind of back behind us to the right
0:54:38.319,0:54:41.440
because I thought said maybe we can sit
0:54:39.520,0:54:43.760
here we give us a better field of view
0:54:41.440,0:54:46.119
if I'd have walked out there to the left
0:54:43.760,0:54:47.520
or now we didn't call Ky on this stand
0:54:46.119,0:54:49.480
but I'm just saying we could have got in
0:54:47.520,0:54:51.040
a situation the same exact deal get out
0:54:49.480,0:54:53.000
there walking around trampling around
0:54:51.040,0:54:54.720
the more s you lay down and a cow can
0:54:53.000,0:54:56.480
come from any angle you know we always
0:54:54.720,0:54:57.760
like to know think we know where a c
0:54:56.480,0:54:59.440
going to come from a lot of times we get
0:54:57.760,0:55:01.520
it right but there's always those times
0:54:59.440,0:55:03.160
when a cow surprises you oh that there's
0:55:01.520,0:55:05.400
always that one will teach you something
0:55:03.160,0:55:07.280
oh yeah yeah so we could have very
0:55:05.400,0:55:09.680
easily done that this morning oh yeah I
0:55:07.280,0:55:12.799
can see that absolutely but that was a
0:55:09.680,0:55:14.920
kind of the the same type situation and
0:55:12.799,0:55:17.559
man it bit us it bit us I'm talking
0:55:14.920,0:55:20.119
about a a hard charging coyote that we
0:55:17.559,0:55:21.799
would have shot at 30 steps mhm but
0:55:20.119,0:55:24.079
instead we watched him get out there at
0:55:21.799,0:55:26.359
about 50 or 60 and he B turned and
0:55:24.079,0:55:29.079
burned out there cuz he cut her track I
0:55:26.359,0:55:31.760
actually did this on a bobcat last year
0:55:29.079,0:55:35.160
uh set the call out I had a
0:55:31.760,0:55:38.920
little patch of briers that was about oh
0:55:35.160,0:55:40.960
probably 10 maybe 15 ft off to my
0:55:38.920,0:55:43.200
right and I thought that that little
0:55:40.960,0:55:45.039
patch of brass brush was just up the
0:55:43.200,0:55:46.119
hill enough I could see past it you know
0:55:45.039,0:55:49.640
it wasn't going to it wasn't going to
0:55:46.119,0:55:52.039
hurt my my setup ended up calling in a
0:55:49.640,0:55:53.839
Bobcat about 80 yards on the other side
0:55:52.039,0:55:57.319
of that and I was getting ready to get
0:55:53.839,0:56:00.520
up I was done with my staying location
0:55:57.319,0:56:03.240
had the call shut off and was thinking
0:56:00.520,0:56:04.920
about grabbing my tripod and folding it
0:56:03.240,0:56:07.520
up and happened to look through that
0:56:04.920,0:56:09.240
brush and I seen something catch my eye
0:56:07.520,0:56:11.359
that it was just a little bit more white
0:56:09.240,0:56:15.680
than yeah the rest of the terrain around
0:56:11.359,0:56:17.359
it and stinking Bobcat crouched down and
0:56:15.680,0:56:18.920
going back and watching the the video
0:56:17.359,0:56:21.640
footage of him I could just barely see
0:56:18.920,0:56:23.119
him through that brush cuz my my camera
0:56:21.640,0:56:25.039
was picking up the brush more than it
0:56:23.119,0:56:28.480
was picking up him but he'd been there a
0:56:25.039,0:56:30.839
while yeah and and uh you know that was
0:56:28.480,0:56:32.480
I wasn't mindful of that brush I thought
0:56:30.839,0:56:33.960
I was clear of it and it taught me a
0:56:32.480,0:56:35.440
little bit right there I ended up
0:56:33.960,0:56:37.640
getting him killed but he seen me before
0:56:35.440,0:56:39.640
I shot right you're too late though was
0:56:37.640,0:56:40.839
it that's right well you got anything
0:56:39.640,0:56:43.640
else you'd like to leave us with before
0:56:40.839,0:56:45.599
we jump off here no you know uh guys I
0:56:43.640,0:56:48.359
appreciate you listening to the fox Pro
0:56:45.599,0:56:50.839
podcast if you have any questions uh
0:56:48.359,0:56:52.760
feel free to hit me up on this I'll I'll
0:56:50.839,0:56:54.280
do the best I can sometimes it's hard to
0:56:52.760,0:56:57.440
explain like John and I was talking
0:56:54.280,0:56:59.760
about but uh I I'll do the best I can
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John we appreciate you coming on here
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buddy and just to wrap things up a
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little bit when it comes to eall
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placement if you're not you know if
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you're not confident in what you're
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doing uh again don't overthink it but be
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mindful just kind of try to pay
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attention to the win and work those
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angles for your left and right right and
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left cross winds um you know think about
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trying to place a cow think more of not
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just trying to call a cow up but think
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you know this pretty much generalizes it
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right here instead of just trying to
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call a cow up with your call placement
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think about placing a cow place it right
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where you need it to be with your call
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placement and uh I think everything will
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work out just fine when you start
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thinking of it that way don't overthink
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it be mindful and start just worrying
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about placing a cow instead of just
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calling one up exactly that work for you
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I think so guys we appreciate you guys
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coming on we hope you enjoyed this
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episode and we hope you join us again
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right here on the fox Pro podcast