The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 53: Call Placement in the Field

Episode Summary

Jon Collins and Corey Groff from FOXPRO discuss the critical role that call placement plays in achieving success in the field.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls we're back

 

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with another episode of the fox Pro

 

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podcast I'm John Collins and today we're

 

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going to discuss ecall placement this

 

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question comes up quite a bit and call

 

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placement is a factor that can

 

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definitely make or break any predator T

 

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once again I've got Fox Pro staffer

 

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Corey gra joining us Cory you ready to

 

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talk about some ecall placement yes sir

 

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absolutely always ready to step up and

 

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get get some of these topics that we get

 

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asked about a lot nailed down and get

 

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some uh information out there to the

 

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listeners this is kind of a little bit

 

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different podcast here in fact that uh

 

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I'm actually looking right across the

 

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table at Cory gra we're actually

 

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recording on location in a uh let's call

 

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it coyoteville Kansas we're out here

 

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trying to film a few coyot stands

 

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actually pick pied up Cory along the way

 

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uh stopped in Missouri grabbed him he's

 

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running a camera this week and then

 

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we've come out here and got uh met up

 

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with the legendary Jeff Ryder if you

 

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don't know who Jeff is you need to uh

 

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he's actually taking a nap right now

 

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he's known for his naps when we're on

 

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his hunts but we'll hopefully get him on

 

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a future podcast but uh like I said our

 

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topic for today is ecall placement um

 

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you know Corey I personally believe the

 

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eall placement is can be considered kind

 

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of an art form really uh you know with

 

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proper ecall placement you can get away

 

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with a lot on a particular stand whether

 

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you're calling for Fox coyotes Bobcats

 

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what have you uh and it's one of those

 

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factors that has cost me a predator or

 

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three throughout the years I hate to

 

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admit it but uh I feel like I've learned

 

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from some of those instances before and

 

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it's kind of shaped how I go about ecall

 

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placement

 

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today yeah uh it's definitely I call it

 

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a a fundamental to your setup you know

 

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it's like any other sport whether it's

 

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you know baseball basketball you got to

 

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start with a fundamental we're not

 

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starting the call stand right at placing

 

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the call out but it is a very important

 

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fundamental to your calling setup yep

 

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and um fixing to get into the thick of

 

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this and I just want to go ahead and

 

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apologize to you guys if you hear some

 

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odd noises like I said earlier we're

 

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definitely not in a studio today we're

 

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in Old creaky uh creaky house it's got a

 

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lot of lot of noises going on dog

 

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outside barking and vehicles going by so

 

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if you hear a little something I'm sorry

 

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but this just this is as real as it gets

 

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here we're we're in coyot

 

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Camp well the first thing I want to ask

 

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you Corey uh to get started with with

 

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this topic is why is call placement

 

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important to a ky Hunter setup well like

 

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I said before you know it it's that key

 

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uh piece of fundamentals that you need

 

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um but you know I tell a lot of folks

 

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you know to me that's one of the one of

 

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the most important parts of actually

 

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calling is the setup so that's why it's

 

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very important to me and uh with that

 

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said you know it puts that coyote or

 

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bobcat in a certain position for you to

 

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make an ethical shot right right yeah I

 

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mean a lot of I think too it's kind of a

 

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misconception when it comes to uh with

 

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Ecco you know people thinking about hand

 

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calls you know if you're hand calling of

 

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course you're operating you are the

 

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sound the sound is coming out of your

 

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mouth you've got the you've either got a

 

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diaphragm in your mouth or you got some

 

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form of closed read open read whatever

 

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in your hand and you are emitting the

 

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sound out there so the sound is coming

 

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from you and you know people I think

 

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people take it for granted with the E

 

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calls how it you know I I made the

 

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comment earlier about an art form it

 

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there's just so much that can go into

 

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have you place that fox Pro out there

 

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whether it's in the woods in a in a

 

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prairie out here in Kansas where you

 

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know no matter where you're hunting

 

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across the country there is some thought

 

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that needs to go into placing that ecall

 

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placing your Fox Pro um it's just like I

 

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said it's something that can make or

 

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break a stand I think people take it for

 

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granted and they just say well you know

 

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I'm just going to walk out here 50 yards

 

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and set this call out there and it don't

 

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matter what goes on you know no matter

 

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where I set it or nothing like that that

 

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I'll just call a coyot up there and he

 

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gets in there a few steps of it and I'll

 

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just shoot him kill him there's there's

 

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a little bit more to it than that yeah

 

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there's a little bit more thought

 

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process into looking at your Vantage

 

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Point and where you think you know

 

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you're Predator is going to come from

 

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and I like how you put that as an art

 

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form so it it definitely you probably

 

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don't want to overthink it but you know

 

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putting some time into where you want to

 

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place that call out

 

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gets you know the attention off of you

 

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all the attention on the call and like I

 

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said it sets you up for success in the

 

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long run yeah and you know it's one of

 

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those things with with

 

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proper of eall placement in accordance

 

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to however the land rolls or wind

 

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direction and stuff like that you can

 

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actually dictate how that coyote or

 

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Bobcats actually going to come into the

 

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caller Fox how they're going to show up

 

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The Path they're going to take and it

 

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can you know it has all to do with how

 

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you even set your rifle up if you do

 

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everything exactly right uh there's

 

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really no hardly no need to move your

 

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rifle or shotgun or whatever you're

 

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hunting with hardly at all I mean

 

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there's been many instances where I've

 

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you know the Coyote's got to play its

 

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role too but there's been many instances

 

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I've set up a stand exactly how I I want

 

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to how I kind of see it working out with

 

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lay of the land and wind direction and

 

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and whatever Factor might be there that

 

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I'll set my rifle up PO in a certain

 

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direction direction to start the stand

 

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when a Coy comes all I got to is flip

 

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the safety off and shoot I mean it's

 

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really that simple

 

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right one thing I got down here uh Cory

 

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that I'd like to ask is is there any is

 

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there ever a situation where you would

 

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place the fox Pro but behind you what I

 

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mean is like you go sit down and you're

 

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looking out in front of you left and

 

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right out in front of you for a k to

 

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advance and you're don't have the call

 

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out there out in front of you where it's

 

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actually back behind you in a certain

 

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location is there ever a time that you

 

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do that personally no I that's just not

 

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kind of my call style it's really not

 

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the type of terrain that I hunt I can

 

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see where it's an advantage to a lot of

 

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hunters maybe even at night or in thick

 

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Timber type situations uh where that

 

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could be very effective for them me

 

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personally I I've never done it I guess

 

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I ought to try it and some you know

 

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situations and see how it does work but

 

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uh for the terrain I hunt and the area I

 

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hunt no sir I haven't I haven't

 

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experienced doing that um I have I don't

 

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have this particular property anymore

 

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but I used to have a property that had a

 

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I mean this was a dynamite stand one of

 

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those places that I would consider it

 

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close to 100% stand uh would usually go

 

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on there and make it three or four times

 

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a year and usually was calling coyotes

 

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up three or four times a year and it was

 

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actually a way it laid out it was

 

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actually a it was a pasture field a big

 

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hard rolling pasture field and I would

 

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come over the bank there was a a ranch

 

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road that was adjacent to a County

 

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Highway and you would come off the

 

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County Highway come onto the Ranch Road

 

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and then immediately just come jump the

 

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fence and you would go 100 another 100

 

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yards and you was making your

 

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stand and the thing was I would actually

 

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set the fox Pro behind me on that stand

 

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there's no way a coyote was going to

 

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come from behind me and the deal was you

 

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had to it's kind of hard to explain how

 

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this is going to look but you actually

 

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on this rolling Hillside going down the

 

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hill to look down into the

 

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bottom then you had a hillside in front

 

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of you and this big snaking draw that

 

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run to the right and a snaking draw that

 

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run to the left and just the way it

 

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worked out if you set the call down

 

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below you there was getting a situation

 

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where a kyote if he come up here to the

 

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call he would uh it long story short it

 

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did not work really well some reason it

 

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just worked out better if you would

 

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place the call behind you about 50 yards

 

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walk out past it and another thing with

 

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this there was no cover you was just

 

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sitting out there on the bare Hillside

 

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so it was almost like keeping them

 

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looking over top of you I got you but

 

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anyway how it usually worked out we was

 

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usually killing coyotes within 50 or 60

 

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yards and it's the only instance where I

 

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would ever do that and the reason we

 

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would do it because there was no way

 

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that a Coy could get behind us just how

 

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uh the road ran and and that type of

 

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stuff but saying

 

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that you know I would I it would have to

 

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be a very special situation where I

 

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would actually set the call behind me

 

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because I'm a firm believer I always

 

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want to be able to see my fox Pro

 

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because there's just been so many

 

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instances when I have had it right out

 

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there in front of me where you know you

 

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think you're watching everything you

 

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think you know everything that's going

 

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on and you think you would be able to

 

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see any kind of Predator coming from any

 

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kind of Direction then all a sudden you

 

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look over at your call and right there's

 

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a out standing 10 steps from it yep

 

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where did the dag on thing come from

 

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right who knows but if that car was

 

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sitting behind me I probably never would

 

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have SE seen that particular animal and

 

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this has happened numerous times this

 

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happened to us yesterday now the KY

 

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wasn't right up on top of the call but

 

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we'd been sitting there and all a sudden

 

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what just like he just appeared out of

 

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the Mist there was a coyote out in front

 

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of us we did not see that coyote

 

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approach so I always I'm not saying

 

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don't ever place it behind you but you

 

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better do it with c and I think the only

 

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time you do that is it's in those rare

 

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situations when there's no way that a Cy

 

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can come from behind you I always want

 

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to be able to see the fox Pro call uh I

 

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got a little surprise on this topic I

 

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actually reached out to uh Mike Burgess

 

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you know Mike real well y Mike and

 

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Jeremy very very good nighttime callers

 

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uh so when I asked Mike this question

 

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just because I don't do a whole lot of

 

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night hunting

 

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uh he said there is a lot of times that

 

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they put the call behind him at night

 

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especially on a big piece of property

 

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something that's really long and and

 

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wide and the reason for doing that you

 

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know what what Mike explained to me was

 

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is uh you know just to get the the

 

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coyotes or the foxes or whatever closer

 

0:10:48.639,0:10:53.079

to their location so you know they're

 

0:10:51.279,0:10:54.720

hunting in big open territory when

 

0:10:53.079,0:10:58.240

they're doing this so they're they can

 

0:10:54.720,0:11:01.200

see 360 around and it all really depends

 

0:10:58.240,0:11:02.959

on wind direction yeah so y that was

 

0:11:01.200,0:11:05.680

just a that's something I wanted to add

 

0:11:02.959,0:11:08.279

to that yeah you know no it's a great

 

0:11:05.680,0:11:10.040

it's a great point and some of those

 

0:11:08.279,0:11:11.920

situations like it's kind of hard to

 

0:11:10.040,0:11:13.279

explain and kind of hard to explain it

 

0:11:11.920,0:11:15.440

where you can really picture it because

 

0:11:13.279,0:11:16.959

it's like like the stand I was talking

 

0:11:15.440,0:11:19.320

about earlier I can see it just pling as

 

0:11:16.959,0:11:21.519

day out plays out in my mind and we used

 

0:11:19.320,0:11:23.800

to film that stand quite a bit back in

 

0:11:21.519,0:11:25.320

the old tooth and Claw TV days but you

 

0:11:23.800,0:11:28.160

know we don't have the property anymore

 

0:11:25.320,0:11:30.959

but it was just one of those deals that

 

0:11:28.160,0:11:32.399

it if you had to out in front of you and

 

0:11:30.959,0:11:34.000

it it kind of makes sense what you just

 

0:11:32.399,0:11:37.079

said how they go about it it's it's

 

0:11:34.000,0:11:39.920

almost you need you need that coyote to

 

0:11:37.079,0:11:42.639

get closer to you to be able to see it

 

0:11:39.920,0:11:44.680

just because how the ground lays how it

 

0:11:42.639,0:11:47.079

Rose so that was the reason for kind of

 

0:11:44.680,0:11:49.000

putting it behind us and plus it had

 

0:11:47.079,0:11:50.800

them looking over top of us as well

 

0:11:49.000,0:11:52.600

because it was a hillside but anyway

 

0:11:50.800,0:11:54.440

that stand worked out that way but I've

 

0:11:52.600,0:11:57.120

never hunted another stand in the

 

0:11:54.440,0:11:58.480

daytime where that was ever was a

 

0:11:57.120,0:12:00.440

thought hey I'm going to put this call

 

0:11:58.480,0:12:03.720

behind me use it's just because I want

 

0:12:00.440,0:12:06.480

to be able to see it y so uh the next

 

0:12:03.720,0:12:08.279

thing I got here is is how far we get

 

0:12:06.480,0:12:10.720

this all the time when we go work these

 

0:12:08.279,0:12:12.959

shows and do seminars and we open the

 

0:12:10.720,0:12:17.440

floor up to questions and stuff this is

 

0:12:12.959,0:12:20.800

always a Hot Topic and uh it's asked by

 

0:12:17.440,0:12:23.440

new Hunters old Hunters a lot so how far

 

0:12:20.800,0:12:25.440

should a coyot hunter be placing the fox

 

0:12:23.440,0:12:27.199

Pro from their stand location from where

 

0:12:25.440,0:12:30.600

they're actually going to be sitting or

 

0:12:27.199,0:12:34.160

standing my experience I like that

 

0:12:30.600,0:12:37.199

call 20 to 50 yards out in front of me

 

0:12:34.160,0:12:38.399

or to the upwind side of the of the very

 

0:12:37.199,0:12:41.199

same thing we're talking about right

 

0:12:38.399,0:12:43.800

here call placement whether I've got

 

0:12:41.199,0:12:46.320

structure in the way or the wind

 

0:12:43.800,0:12:47.600

direction is going to dictate where

 

0:12:46.320,0:12:51.519

that's going to be but it's going to be

 

0:12:47.600,0:12:55.040

somewhere in that 20 to 50 yard range uh

 

0:12:51.519,0:12:56.760

upon saying that I feel like you know

 

0:12:55.040,0:13:00.519

you you hear this a lot guys setting

 

0:12:56.760,0:13:03.240

their calls out 100 200 yards yeah yeah

 

0:13:00.519,0:13:06.560

um it's not for me I really feel like

 

0:13:03.240,0:13:08.360

John that it's a huge disadvantage to

 

0:13:06.560,0:13:11.440

some of my calling style and the reason

 

0:13:08.360,0:13:13.360

I feel that way is with different

 

0:13:11.440,0:13:16.959

structures that far away from me you

 

0:13:13.360,0:13:20.320

can't see where a coyote may come in to

 

0:13:16.959,0:13:22.639

that call from and you could be he could

 

0:13:20.320,0:13:24.279

be catching sent off the call and you

 

0:13:22.639,0:13:27.720

never even know that he's there right

 

0:13:24.279,0:13:29.680

you know so to me you know that's it's I

 

0:13:27.720,0:13:32.000

call it like a buffer zone

 

0:13:29.680,0:13:34.720

you know that 20 to 50 yards and that's

 

0:13:32.000,0:13:36.920

where I feel comfortable as far as

 

0:13:34.720,0:13:39.519

distance goes not short range but

 

0:13:36.920,0:13:41.800

distance that's where I feel like I'm

 

0:13:39.519,0:13:45.560

more comfortable with right uh I think

 

0:13:41.800,0:13:49.279

there's really in a way to a point or to

 

0:13:45.560,0:13:52.680

an extent there's no 100% right or 100%

 

0:13:49.279,0:13:56.000

wrong answer when it comes to call PL to

 

0:13:52.680,0:14:00.360

distance from you from the call uh I'm

 

0:13:56.000,0:14:03.920

the same way it's generally 25 steps of

 

0:14:00.360,0:14:06.759

maybe 60 steps and if I walked out 60

 

0:14:03.920,0:14:08.959

steps something's got into my brain it's

 

0:14:06.759,0:14:11.160

making be you know that's that's a long

 

0:14:08.959,0:14:13.560

walk for John Collins well you see you

 

0:14:11.160,0:14:15.800

see something in that setup structurally

 

0:14:13.560,0:14:18.600

that just isn't going to work right for

 

0:14:15.800,0:14:20.639

20 steps right right yeah or you know

 

0:14:18.600,0:14:22.560

maybe if it's more open if I'm sitting

 

0:14:20.639,0:14:24.040

in a more open like when I say more open

 

0:14:22.560,0:14:26.480

area if I'm sitting in an area where I

 

0:14:24.040,0:14:29.120

don't have as much cover especially you

 

0:14:26.480,0:14:31.680

know for a daytime set I'll generally

 

0:14:29.120,0:14:34.720

stretch it on out there to that 40 50 60

 

0:14:31.680,0:14:35.759

yards just to help keep eyes off of me

 

0:14:34.720,0:14:37.000

you know what I mean that gives me

 

0:14:35.759,0:14:38.839

opportunity to get away with a little

 

0:14:37.000,0:14:41.240

bit of movement uh because that's the

 

0:14:38.839,0:14:43.120

thing the closer it is to you you know

 

0:14:41.240,0:14:45.160

more apt you are to be able to you know

 

0:14:43.120,0:14:47.279

be seen by the animal because they're

 

0:14:45.160,0:14:49.120

looking for that sound and if you're in

 

0:14:47.279,0:14:51.160

plain sight with the eall you can be

 

0:14:49.120,0:14:53.399

picked off very easily but yeah

 

0:14:51.160,0:14:56.279

generally you know I usually tell people

 

0:14:53.399,0:14:59.360

I'm the same way 20 to 60 steps and

 

0:14:56.279,0:15:01.519

usually it's at 30 or 30 or 40 you know

 

0:14:59.360,0:15:06.240

30 or 40 steps away is where I'm usually

 

0:15:01.519,0:15:07.880

placing it um it it depends on a lot of

 

0:15:06.240,0:15:09.720

factors you know a lot of factors and

 

0:15:07.880,0:15:11.959

that's what's hard to explain to people

 

0:15:09.720,0:15:13.279

when they ask you that it because we've

 

0:15:11.959,0:15:15.240

just mentioned it a minute ago it

 

0:15:13.279,0:15:18.440

depends on wind direction it depends on

 

0:15:15.240,0:15:21.399

lay of the land it depends on so many

 

0:15:18.440,0:15:23.399

factors uh it depends on you know it

 

0:15:21.399,0:15:24.720

depends on how you're sitting whether

 

0:15:23.399,0:15:26.720

like I was talking about if you had much

 

0:15:24.720,0:15:29.199

cover around you or so on there's just

 

0:15:26.720,0:15:31.120

so much that goes into it but on average

 

0:15:29.199,0:15:33.440

20 to 60 and probably when it comes

 

0:15:31.120,0:15:35.279

right down to it it's 30 or 40 steps you

 

0:15:33.440,0:15:38.000

know you've hunted in in my part of the

 

0:15:35.279,0:15:43.079

country we've got a lot of Rolling Hills

 

0:15:38.000,0:15:45.240

and deep ravines and and uh waterways

 

0:15:43.079,0:15:47.079

there's a lot of times I'll get to a

 

0:15:45.240,0:15:48.560

certain location I know it's good I know

 

0:15:47.079,0:15:51.199

there's there's animals there that I

 

0:15:48.560,0:15:53.759

want to try to call in but I just the

 

0:15:51.199,0:15:56.120

break you know on the on the the lay of

 

0:15:53.759,0:15:59.279

the land is just a little too sharp to

 

0:15:56.120,0:16:01.759

to put your call out at that you know 20

 

0:15:59.279,0:16:04.880

or 50 yards that I've been talking about

 

0:16:01.759,0:16:06.600

and I very rarely do this but it it is I

 

0:16:04.880,0:16:11.160

do do it quite a

 

0:16:06.600,0:16:14.399

bit I'll go Plum past that you know that

 

0:16:11.160,0:16:15.920

uh cutting the land that low Waterway go

 

0:16:14.399,0:16:17.680

through that ditch and go up on the

 

0:16:15.920,0:16:19.000

other opposite Hills side I'm glad you

 

0:16:17.680,0:16:21.360

brought that up cuz I was actually going

 

0:16:19.000,0:16:25.079

to mention that because if I'm placing

 

0:16:21.360,0:16:27.480

it further than that 50 and 60 yard Mark

 

0:16:25.079,0:16:29.160

or 50 or 60 steps it's usually because

 

0:16:27.480,0:16:32.079

of a situation like that I'm on a

 

0:16:29.160,0:16:34.000

hillside there's a little you know

 

0:16:32.079,0:16:35.639

bottom out in front of me and then

 

0:16:34.000,0:16:38.319

there's another Hillside out in front of

 

0:16:35.639,0:16:40.199

me usually when I'll walk it out further

 

0:16:38.319,0:16:42.600

is to put it on the opposite Hillside

 

0:16:40.199,0:16:43.959

just to keep coyotes over there exactly

 

0:16:42.600,0:16:45.480

cuz sometimes those coyotes can get away

 

0:16:43.959,0:16:47.600

from you if they get in that bottom get

 

0:16:45.480,0:16:49.560

out of sight and stuff like that so that

 

0:16:47.600,0:16:52.160

is the situation where I am walking it

 

0:16:49.560,0:16:53.959

out further and those are actually

 

0:16:52.160,0:16:55.480

really good setups in my in my

 

0:16:53.959,0:16:56.839

experience with them you cuz those are

 

0:16:55.480,0:16:58.519

the stands you can really get away with

 

0:16:56.839,0:17:00.279

a lot cuz they're over paying attention

 

0:16:58.519,0:17:02.160

to that Hills side you're over on this

 

0:17:00.279,0:17:03.360

other Hillside all by yourself some of

 

0:17:02.160,0:17:05.480

that you know those type of stands you

 

0:17:03.360,0:17:07.799

can start doing jumping jacks oh yeah

 

0:17:05.480,0:17:09.839

you know cuz we get I get comments all

 

0:17:07.799,0:17:12.120

the time man I watched your watched your

 

0:17:09.839,0:17:13.799

video I seen that one camera that was on

 

0:17:12.120,0:17:14.919

you and you're moving all over the place

 

0:17:13.799,0:17:17.400

how do you get away with all that

 

0:17:14.919,0:17:19.319

movement well guess what it's from good

 

0:17:17.400,0:17:21.039

call placement good call placement good

 

0:17:19.319,0:17:24.160

call placement and the C did his thing

 

0:17:21.039,0:17:25.559

and we did our thing pretty much so uh

 

0:17:24.160,0:17:29.520

the next question I have goes right

 

0:17:25.559,0:17:33.840

along with that is it possible to too

 

0:17:29.520,0:17:39.080

close or too far away from the fox Pro

 

0:17:33.840,0:17:41.600

ecall um yeah I mean absolutely uh I

 

0:17:39.080,0:17:46.080

don't like getting too close for one

 

0:17:41.600,0:17:48.280

reason uh you're you can get too close

 

0:17:46.080,0:17:50.520

to your unit with the remote these

 

0:17:48.280,0:17:52.559

remotes are really powerful that tx1000

 

0:17:50.520,0:17:56.520

is pretty pretty powerful if you set

 

0:17:52.559,0:17:58.159

right on top of it you're your your

 

0:17:56.520,0:17:59.480

remote's probably not going to work as

 

0:17:58.159,0:18:02.000

good as it would would be yeah

 

0:17:59.480,0:18:03.440

connectivity issue yeah yeah yeah you

 

0:18:02.000,0:18:07.240

know and that's just part of the game

 

0:18:03.440,0:18:10.360

but uh I don't want to be put on the

 

0:18:07.240,0:18:12.400

spot when a when a coyot or a bobcat

 

0:18:10.360,0:18:14.280

comes up out of their vantage point and

 

0:18:12.400,0:18:16.159

that's the first thing they see is a

 

0:18:14.280,0:18:20.039

bunch of corra sitting right over top of

 

0:18:16.159,0:18:23.039

the call right right no that's true now

 

0:18:20.039,0:18:27.039

I you know I totally agree with you I

 

0:18:23.039,0:18:28.159

think in a way besides for you know I

 

0:18:27.039,0:18:29.320

think usually you want to be about a

 

0:18:28.159,0:18:31.159

foot away from your

 

0:18:29.320,0:18:32.520

call for your remote to work properly

 

0:18:31.159,0:18:34.840

right so if you've got one sitting in

 

0:18:32.520,0:18:37.000

between your legs you could have issues

 

0:18:34.840,0:18:38.640

with it just working but the thing is we

 

0:18:37.000,0:18:40.559

was talking about the hand calling

 

0:18:38.640,0:18:43.440

earlier you know if you're a hand caller

 

0:18:40.559,0:18:45.440

guess what you are the call so I mean

 

0:18:43.440,0:18:48.559

you know people's been killing coyotes

 

0:18:45.440,0:18:51.159

and calling coyotes for forever in that

 

0:18:48.559,0:18:52.520

type of way so you know it it's you just

 

0:18:51.159,0:18:54.159

got to know you can't get away with much

 

0:18:52.520,0:18:55.480

movement and stuff like that it can

 

0:18:54.159,0:18:57.320

definitely work if it's close to you

 

0:18:55.480,0:18:59.640

especially if you're a shotgun Hunter

 

0:18:57.320,0:19:02.559

hey closer the better if you want toow

 

0:18:59.640,0:19:04.440

down a shot so just I don't really think

 

0:19:02.559,0:19:05.760

that you can put it too close besides

 

0:19:04.440,0:19:07.400

for you don't want to sit in between

 

0:19:05.760,0:19:09.000

your legs just because of the remote

 

0:19:07.400,0:19:12.400

connectivity thing so you need to at

 

0:19:09.000,0:19:14.880

least have it a couple feet away but um

 

0:19:12.400,0:19:16.520

I don't really see if you're you know if

 

0:19:14.880,0:19:17.720

you're great at sitting still and you're

 

0:19:16.520,0:19:19.480

not worried about getting picked off

 

0:19:17.720,0:19:21.600

with movement then no you can't put it

 

0:19:19.480,0:19:24.679

too close in my opinion now can you put

 

0:19:21.600,0:19:27.400

it too far yes and I'll tell you the two

 

0:19:24.679,0:19:29.919

main reasons I say yes I'm putting it

 

0:19:27.400,0:19:31.320

too far and probably some your guys are

 

0:19:29.919,0:19:32.440

sitting there listening CU you probably

 

0:19:31.320,0:19:33.720

thinking well you put it out there too

 

0:19:32.440,0:19:35.880

far maybe your remote won't be

 

0:19:33.720,0:19:39.400

connecting no that's not my issue with

 

0:19:35.880,0:19:41.360

it my issue is if you walk out at those

 

0:19:39.400,0:19:43.640

extreme distances you hear some people

 

0:19:41.360,0:19:45.679

talk about sometimes at two and 300

 

0:19:43.640,0:19:47.240

yards or even I think 100 yards is

 

0:19:45.679,0:19:50.799

Extreme but especially you talking about

 

0:19:47.240,0:19:52.559

150 200 300 yard distances think about

 

0:19:50.799,0:19:55.440

all that ground you just walked through

 

0:19:52.559,0:19:57.320

right what happens if a a coyot comes

 

0:19:55.440,0:19:59.200

between you and the call and comes in

 

0:19:57.320,0:20:01.240

burning hard or you didn't see time then

 

0:19:59.200,0:20:03.360

he cut your track where you walked all

 

0:20:01.240,0:20:05.280

the way out there laying out scent and

 

0:20:03.360,0:20:08.360

then walked all the way back laying down

 

0:20:05.280,0:20:10.200

scent you've just spread a lot of scent

 

0:20:08.360,0:20:11.559

that you did not have to spread out

 

0:20:10.200,0:20:13.200

there and it just gives you that much

 

0:20:11.559,0:20:15.320

more chance to get a coyote boogered up

 

0:20:13.200,0:20:17.960

from crossing your Trail right another

 

0:20:15.320,0:20:20.360

thing about that is say you put it out

 

0:20:17.960,0:20:22.720

there at 300 yards hey have you ever had

 

0:20:20.360,0:20:25.559

a if you ever set your call out there at

 

0:20:22.720,0:20:27.200

20 steps and had a Coy hang up at 300

 

0:20:25.559,0:20:28.960

yards away from you or away from the

 

0:20:27.200,0:20:31.760

call oh yeah well if you walk get out

 

0:20:28.960,0:20:33.919

there at 300 yard and then a Koke comes

 

0:20:31.760,0:20:36.400

for to there and is 300 yards from the

 

0:20:33.919,0:20:37.840

call now you got a 600 yard shot yeah so

 

0:20:36.400,0:20:39.880

why do you want to do that I mean you

 

0:20:37.840,0:20:41.960

see what I'm saying there's no there's

 

0:20:39.880,0:20:45.520

really no good instance for setting a

 

0:20:41.960,0:20:48.000

call out at those extreme extreme ranges

 

0:20:45.520,0:20:50.000

another and a third part to it is if

 

0:20:48.000,0:20:52.120

you're if you get to a spot where you'd

 

0:20:50.000,0:20:54.400

be sitting down to make your stand or

 

0:20:52.120,0:20:57.360

standing or whatever you're going to be

 

0:20:54.400,0:20:59.360

doing and you're going to walk out there

 

0:20:57.360,0:21:01.039

two or 300 yards you're covering a lot

 

0:20:59.360,0:21:02.240

of ground out possibly probably out

 

0:21:01.039,0:21:04.280

there in the open if you're going to set

 

0:21:02.240,0:21:06.120

it that far and that's just that much

 

0:21:04.280,0:21:09.120

time you could get picked off by a coyot

 

0:21:06.120,0:21:11.640

or a bob cat from walking yep seeing you

 

0:21:09.120,0:21:14.200

yep so I definitely think you can set it

 

0:21:11.640,0:21:15.960

out there go too far there's just no

 

0:21:14.200,0:21:17.279

really no reason to do that I hear that

 

0:21:15.960,0:21:19.240

argument all the time what if I want to

 

0:21:17.279,0:21:20.640

sit out there at 300 yards well why do

 

0:21:19.240,0:21:22.640

you want to set it out there at 300

 

0:21:20.640,0:21:24.880

yards yeah exactly are you moving that

 

0:21:22.640,0:21:26.320

much that Coy can see you know that you

 

0:21:24.880,0:21:28.799

got to get to call that far away from

 

0:21:26.320,0:21:29.960

you so you don't get picked off right

 

0:21:28.799,0:21:32.480

you know and everybody's got their own

 

0:21:29.960,0:21:34.520

thing got their own style but just like

 

0:21:32.480,0:21:36.480

you John for me I just can't see the

 

0:21:34.520,0:21:38.559

purpose in it I'm not dogging anybody

 

0:21:36.480,0:21:40.640

that's I mean if you want to do that by

 

0:21:38.559,0:21:41.640

all means do it but guess what you

 

0:21:40.640,0:21:43.240

probably could have walked it that there

 

0:21:41.640,0:21:45.360

at 50 yards and still got the same

 

0:21:43.240,0:21:48.080

result of calling a Coy up we've all

 

0:21:45.360,0:21:50.240

seen closer yeah and we've all seen that

 

0:21:48.080,0:21:52.159

kyot when he cuts a track he's pretty

 

0:21:50.240,0:21:54.520

fast when he gets out of there is he oh

 

0:21:52.159,0:21:56.320

yeah oh yeah oh and I it's been

 

0:21:54.520,0:21:58.679

situations you know like I said there

 

0:21:56.320,0:22:00.360

can be an art form to this there has

 

0:21:58.679,0:22:02.200

been situations where I'll stick to call

 

0:22:00.360,0:22:05.440

out a little bit further than I usually

 

0:22:02.200,0:22:08.320

do just to call the coyote between me

 

0:22:05.440,0:22:09.880

and the eall but you one if you set up a

 

0:22:08.320,0:22:12.440

situation like that you've got to be

 

0:22:09.880,0:22:15.279

able to kill that coyote before they win

 

0:22:12.440,0:22:17.000

the call or cut your track yep just you

 

0:22:15.279,0:22:18.760

know just how it is I'll tell you a

 

0:22:17.000,0:22:20.640

fourth I don't know I think I give three

 

0:22:18.760,0:22:24.760

reasons there for that I can give you a

 

0:22:20.640,0:22:26.159

fourth I'm lazy why in the world would I

 

0:22:24.760,0:22:27.720

want to walk that far out there just to

 

0:22:26.159,0:22:29.279

set the call and then walk all the way

 

0:22:27.720,0:22:31.279

back to the same distance well if you

 

0:22:29.279,0:22:33.200

plan on making stands all morning that's

 

0:22:31.279,0:22:34.919

just a stand you're going to take up and

 

0:22:33.200,0:22:36.480

eating up tons of time and tons of

 

0:22:34.919,0:22:37.760

energy then after the stand's over

 

0:22:36.480,0:22:39.240

whether you killed a Coy or not you

 

0:22:37.760,0:22:42.320

still got to walk back out there and get

 

0:22:39.240,0:22:44.000

the thing that's right and walk back so

 

0:22:42.320,0:22:46.960

anyway that's enough for that can you

 

0:22:44.000,0:22:48.720

set it too close or too far I definitely

 

0:22:46.960,0:22:50.520

think you can set it too far right like

 

0:22:48.720,0:22:52.880

I said there's a good buffer zone look

 

0:22:50.520,0:22:54.480

for that buffer zone that works for you

 

0:22:52.880,0:22:56.520

and by all means like we said if you

 

0:22:54.480,0:23:00.799

want to set it 300 yards out knock

 

0:22:56.520,0:23:03.279

yourself out but not for me got a good

 

0:23:00.799,0:23:08.600

one right here is call placement the

 

0:23:03.279,0:23:11.039

same for all predator species um like

 

0:23:08.600,0:23:14.480

for coyotes Bobcats Fox and raccoon

 

0:23:11.039,0:23:16.960

we'll start off with uh comparing it to

 

0:23:14.480,0:23:17.640

coyotes and bobcats you know is it is it

 

0:23:16.960,0:23:22.679

the

 

0:23:17.640,0:23:26.600

same uh yes and no you know um these two

 

0:23:22.679,0:23:29.240

species share the same you know uh

 

0:23:26.600,0:23:33.080

same habitat you know they they share

 

0:23:29.240,0:23:35.600

the same habitat so when I'm targeting

 

0:23:33.080,0:23:36.880

coyotes and thinking about call

 

0:23:35.600,0:23:40.520

placement a lot of times I'm not

 

0:23:36.880,0:23:42.440

thinking about a bobcat U but there's a

 

0:23:40.520,0:23:44.640

whole lot of similarities between the

 

0:23:42.440,0:23:47.279

two um

 

0:23:44.640,0:23:50.320

now we've talked about this before in

 

0:23:47.279,0:23:52.960

past podcast about call placement for

 

0:23:50.320,0:23:54.240

Bobcats you know and we're always

 

0:23:52.960,0:23:56.720

wanting to get a little bit more

 

0:23:54.240,0:24:00.320

adjacent to that habitat that they're

 

0:23:56.720,0:24:03.080

living in and and uh we want to set that

 

0:24:00.320,0:24:06.240

call placement out closer to those

 

0:24:03.080,0:24:09.000

positions and you know roughly that 50

 

0:24:06.240,0:24:12.279

to 100 yards away so that's what I'm

 

0:24:09.000,0:24:13.880

looking for in my Bobcats uh coyotes I'm

 

0:24:12.279,0:24:17.039

a little bit further away from those

 

0:24:13.880,0:24:20.960

locations but they're pretty well the

 

0:24:17.039,0:24:22.960

same right yep what about Fox you which

 

0:24:20.960,0:24:24.960

I know you kill a handful of fox a year

 

0:24:22.960,0:24:27.840

we're we're and we'll be the first to

 

0:24:24.960,0:24:30.480

admit Cory and I neither one are big fox

 

0:24:27.840,0:24:33.039

Hunters we both have fox in our area but

 

0:24:30.480,0:24:35.000

it's you know the difference between

 

0:24:33.039,0:24:36.840

know we might have one fox to every

 

0:24:35.000,0:24:39.120

especially me I might have one fox every

 

0:24:36.840,0:24:41.880

300 cows you know so I don't I'm

 

0:24:39.120,0:24:43.520

definitely not a fox expert uh do you do

 

0:24:41.880,0:24:45.039

anything if you I think you killed a

 

0:24:43.520,0:24:47.520

couple Grays last year didn't you I

 

0:24:45.039,0:24:50.399

killed I think four or five Gres and

 

0:24:47.520,0:24:52.600

that's very untypical for me right which

 

0:24:50.399,0:24:56.320

and like I said I we know that some you

 

0:24:52.600,0:24:58.760

guys are killing you know tons and tons

 

0:24:56.320,0:25:01.200

of Fox at all if not hundreds so want to

 

0:24:58.760,0:25:03.399

put the disclaimer out there we're not

 

0:25:01.200,0:25:05.960

Fox Hunters not I'm not what I would

 

0:25:03.399,0:25:07.640

call a fox CER but if you say you got a

 

0:25:05.960,0:25:08.799

property that you know you got a fox on

 

0:25:07.640,0:25:11.240

and you want to go on there and see if

 

0:25:08.799,0:25:13.880

you can't call that sucker up um do you

 

0:25:11.240,0:25:15.480

do anything different for that stand for

 

0:25:13.880,0:25:18.159

ecall placement that you would if you

 

0:25:15.480,0:25:21.320

thought you had a cow there no I treat

 

0:25:18.159,0:25:24.000

it the same they typically seem to work

 

0:25:21.320,0:25:25.919

the wind a little bit better or excuse

 

0:25:24.000,0:25:28.640

me not better they they typically seem

 

0:25:25.919,0:25:32.480

to work the wind the same especially red

 

0:25:28.640,0:25:34.880

fox in my experience now like John said

 

0:25:32.480,0:25:37.159

most of the fox that I've called in I'm

 

0:25:34.880,0:25:39.840

not really targeting them it they just

 

0:25:37.159,0:25:42.480

happen to come in by mistake and you

 

0:25:39.840,0:25:46.200

know but I'm glad you brought this up

 

0:25:42.480,0:25:47.799

because I did call some Fox Hunters yeah

 

0:25:46.200,0:25:51.000

you just mentioned it earlier yeah Mike

 

0:25:47.799,0:25:53.679

Burgess and Jeremy so yeah and I called

 

0:25:51.000,0:25:58.320

uh you know another Fox Hunter we we

 

0:25:53.679,0:26:00.960

know real well the CEO of Fox Pro oh man

 

0:25:58.320,0:26:05.720

I called Mike Dylan on this subject and

 

0:26:00.960,0:26:07.760

uh you know he explained with gray fox

 

0:26:05.720,0:26:10.240

that uh and I didn't really know this

 

0:26:07.760,0:26:13.039

about gray fox this is to tell you how

 

0:26:10.240,0:26:15.120

much I do know about fox hunting he said

 

0:26:13.039,0:26:17.760

gray fox are more family oriented

 

0:26:15.120,0:26:18.840

animals oh really I didn't know that

 

0:26:17.760,0:26:20.960

they're a little bit more family

 

0:26:18.840,0:26:23.640

oriented than the Reds so he said they

 

0:26:20.960,0:26:27.120

charge a little harder to the call just

 

0:26:23.640,0:26:30.480

because of that interaction being family

 

0:26:27.120,0:26:33.840

oriented uh so he if he's targeting gry

 

0:26:30.480,0:26:36.720

Fox he's not not too much concerned

 

0:26:33.840,0:26:40.279

about his win and call placement you

 

0:26:36.720,0:26:43.039

know setup it typically goes about

 

0:26:40.279,0:26:48.039

normal whether he's calling for coyote

 

0:26:43.039,0:26:51.000

or right right uh red fox he said they

 

0:26:48.039,0:26:54.000

will work the call working down wi side

 

0:26:51.000,0:26:58.760

working down wi side just like you know

 

0:26:54.000,0:27:00.600

a kyot would now talk to Mike Burgess uh

 

0:26:58.760,0:27:02.320

Mike Burgess said he treats all his

 

0:27:00.600,0:27:05.480

stands pretty much about the same

 

0:27:02.320,0:27:07.760

whether he was calling for Bobcat

 

0:27:05.480,0:27:09.919

coyotes foxes he said there is a little

 

0:27:07.760,0:27:11.320

bit of difference you know but one of

 

0:27:09.919,0:27:15.399

the key things I want to go back to what

 

0:27:11.320,0:27:17.640

Mike said uh about species at

 

0:27:15.399,0:27:20.399

night you know he put it in the night

 

0:27:17.640,0:27:22.440

term because he's more of a n Hunter he

 

0:27:20.399,0:27:24.360

said you know with the Implement of

 

0:27:22.440,0:27:26.159

thermals you know being so popular the

 

0:27:24.360,0:27:28.679

last few years he doesn't

 

0:27:26.159,0:27:30.600

really think about his call playay as

 

0:27:28.679,0:27:32.360

much because he can see so much more at

 

0:27:30.600,0:27:34.240

night but he said back in the old day

 

0:27:32.360,0:27:38.039

when you know they were using lights a

 

0:27:34.240,0:27:41.679

lot he said call placement was very key

 

0:27:38.039,0:27:43.000

because of their their eyes shining you

 

0:27:41.679,0:27:44.919

wanted them right in front of you he

 

0:27:43.000,0:27:47.720

said so he kept this call placement

 

0:27:44.919,0:27:50.159

pretty close while calling Fox at night

 

0:27:47.720,0:27:51.720

so he could see their eyes coming right

 

0:27:50.159,0:27:54.480

straight into the car get that get that

 

0:27:51.720,0:27:56.440

eye shine yes sir y so I'm glad I called

 

0:27:54.480,0:27:59.799

them guys thank you guys for answering

 

0:27:56.440,0:28:02.039

my questions appreciate it yep all all

 

0:27:59.799,0:28:04.000

of them great great resources that's for

 

0:28:02.039,0:28:05.080

sure the last one I got there is raccoon

 

0:28:04.000,0:28:07.880

what about if you're going to try to

 

0:28:05.080,0:28:09.399

call Coons man I love calling Coons and

 

0:28:07.880,0:28:12.360

matter of fact we get back from this

 

0:28:09.399,0:28:14.240

trip out here in Kansas uh that's what

 

0:28:12.360,0:28:17.080

I'm going to be started on our our [ __ ]

 

0:28:14.240,0:28:20.600

season for summertime starts the 1st of

 

0:28:17.080,0:28:22.559

August so I'm really excited about it um

 

0:28:20.600,0:28:26.559

once again I made another phone call

 

0:28:22.559,0:28:28.880

John Tory cook Tory cook now I pretty

 

0:28:26.559,0:28:30.600

much knew what Tory was going to was was

 

0:28:28.880,0:28:32.360

kind of give going to give me on answers

 

0:28:30.600,0:28:36.240

because I do a lot of [ __ ] calling and

 

0:28:32.360,0:28:38.640

it was basically about the same uh but

 

0:28:36.240,0:28:40.519

as you know Tori Tory hunts with a long

 

0:28:38.640,0:28:43.159

bow oh yeah yeah he's goingon to slock

 

0:28:40.519,0:28:46.799

them throw arrows through and matter of

 

0:28:43.159,0:28:49.799

fact he actually it was like the the day

 

0:28:46.799,0:28:51.360

that I sent him a message to talk about

 

0:28:49.799,0:28:53.880

this I didn't even know he was putting a

 

0:28:51.360,0:28:55.799

post up about killing Coons that day

 

0:28:53.880,0:28:58.440

yeah so it it was just like it went hand

 

0:28:55.799,0:29:02.720

inand but uh you know I was was really

 

0:28:58.440,0:29:06.279

intrigued how he sets up his eall for

 

0:29:02.720,0:29:08.399

longbo he wants it up off the ground yep

 

0:29:06.279,0:29:10.399

and the reason that is he wants the [ __ ]

 

0:29:08.399,0:29:12.600

to actually look for that call he wants

 

0:29:10.399,0:29:14.559

to run it wants that [ __ ] to run past

 

0:29:12.600,0:29:16.279

his call and have to stop and look look

 

0:29:14.559,0:29:18.640

around gives him a great shot

 

0:29:16.279,0:29:20.679

opportunity pretty cool yeah yeah and

 

0:29:18.640,0:29:22.360

one of the things that Tori and I talked

 

0:29:20.679,0:29:25.200

about and and this is one of the things

 

0:29:22.360,0:29:28.360

that I've done in the past if you are

 

0:29:25.200,0:29:30.760

targeting Den trees mhm uh you want to

 

0:29:28.360,0:29:33.320

keep your call placement to the opposite

 

0:29:30.760,0:29:35.080

side of the hole of the hole you know

 

0:29:33.320,0:29:37.320

that way the [ __ ] don't come out and see

 

0:29:35.080,0:29:40.559

your see your call you know you you kind

 

0:29:37.320,0:29:43.840

of hide it that way so but typically

 

0:29:40.559,0:29:46.200

Coons will work the wind too oh yeah so

 

0:29:43.840,0:29:48.720

I if I'm just blind calling and Tori

 

0:29:46.200,0:29:51.080

mentioned this as well but if I'm just

 

0:29:48.720,0:29:52.559

blind calling for [ __ ] like I don't know

 

0:29:51.080,0:29:55.799

where there's a dentry at but I know

 

0:29:52.559,0:29:58.320

there's Coons in that area I set my call

 

0:29:55.799,0:30:00.840

up just like I would for a coyot or

 

0:29:58.320,0:30:03.480

Bobcat that might come in and work try

 

0:30:00.840,0:30:05.360

to work the wind on me give me that Best

 

0:30:03.480,0:30:08.480

Shot opportunity I could

 

0:30:05.360,0:30:09.880

have that's good stuff yeah one thing I

 

0:30:08.480,0:30:12.000

think for raccoon hunting you just

 

0:30:09.880,0:30:14.679

mentioned it right there you know if

 

0:30:12.000,0:30:16.960

you're Tory hunting with a bow if

 

0:30:14.679,0:30:19.200

they're you're not using a bow most time

 

0:30:16.960,0:30:21.039

you're using either a rim fire rifle or

 

0:30:19.200,0:30:22.519

you're using a shotgun so one thing

 

0:30:21.039,0:30:24.640

about cough placement needs be fairly

 

0:30:22.519,0:30:28.600

close you need to be in fairly close

 

0:30:24.640,0:30:32.640

proximity for RAC cones um was talking

 

0:30:28.600,0:30:35.039

about coyotes Bobcats and fox if for me

 

0:30:32.640,0:30:37.799

coyotes and fox are the same for setting

 

0:30:35.039,0:30:39.919

a call up um that is one thing with me

 

0:30:37.799,0:30:42.320

if I ever do go after a fox I usually

 

0:30:39.919,0:30:45.840

know the fox is there I usually what

 

0:30:42.320,0:30:47.679

happens is seems like I usually find Fox

 

0:30:45.840,0:30:49.480

uh from deer hunting either I've seen

 

0:30:47.679,0:30:51.240

them from a tree stand or I've caught

 

0:30:49.480,0:30:53.559

them on trail camera so I know they're

 

0:30:51.240,0:30:55.320

there and and I'm making a plan to go in

 

0:30:53.559,0:30:57.200

there after the fox so I know I'm

 

0:30:55.320,0:31:00.240

calling Fox but I still sit to stand up

 

0:30:57.200,0:31:02.440

just like if I was calling CS right um

 

0:31:00.240,0:31:04.919

now Bobcats Bobcats is a little bit

 

0:31:02.440,0:31:06.760

different for me usually I'm set and

 

0:31:04.919,0:31:08.240

we're F our next question is going to be

 

0:31:06.760,0:31:10.720

about uh we're going to talk about

 

0:31:08.240,0:31:13.080

angles setting the called out at Angles

 

0:31:10.720,0:31:16.279

and this is my big thing for Bobcats

 

0:31:13.080,0:31:18.159

usually for me I'm always trying you

 

0:31:16.279,0:31:20.919

know I always have a good idea where I

 

0:31:18.159,0:31:22.639

think a bobcat is going to come from you

 

0:31:20.919,0:31:25.519

know and usually I can pin it down

 

0:31:22.639,0:31:27.960

pretty D on close right so I'm

 

0:31:25.519,0:31:29.720

visualizing where that cat is at and how

 

0:31:27.960,0:31:32.320

is going to advance to the call and

 

0:31:29.720,0:31:36.240

usually I'm setting using more extreme

 

0:31:32.320,0:31:38.200

angles of placing the call from me from

 

0:31:36.240,0:31:41.200

where I think that the Bobcat's going to

 

0:31:38.200,0:31:43.720

come from just because Bobcat's site a

 

0:31:41.200,0:31:46.240

bobcat site is so good and that's what

 

0:31:43.720,0:31:47.840

they're using is their main thing when

 

0:31:46.240,0:31:49.919

they come to the call is they're wanting

 

0:31:47.840,0:31:52.559

to see what's going on and they're

 

0:31:49.919,0:31:55.960

usually locked in on to it so much so I

 

0:31:52.559,0:31:58.240

do not want to set the fox Pro if I got

 

0:31:55.960,0:32:00.320

a Thicket out in front of me and I think

 

0:31:58.240,0:32:02.120

the Bobcats in it I don't want to set

 

0:32:00.320,0:32:04.559

that call just directly out in front of

 

0:32:02.120,0:32:06.240

me right towards that Thicket cuz the

 

0:32:04.559,0:32:08.120

thing is the cat's going to come right

 

0:32:06.240,0:32:09.720

up out of that Thicket he's going to see

 

0:32:08.120,0:32:11.639

the call and then he could be looking

 

0:32:09.720,0:32:14.159

right over top of the call right at John

 

0:32:11.639,0:32:16.480

Collins and I don't want that I want him

 

0:32:14.159,0:32:18.840

to come out and whatever's past the call

 

0:32:16.480,0:32:20.679

is nothing but more field or another

 

0:32:18.840,0:32:24.000

Thicket or whatever it is it's not the

 

0:32:20.679,0:32:26.559

hunter so that's my difference with uh

 

0:32:24.000,0:32:29.600

ky's Bobcat Fox and raccoon of course

 

0:32:26.559,0:32:31.760

I'm very limited on r [ __ ] I've called

 

0:32:29.600,0:32:33.320

him up in the past on accident but this

 

0:32:31.760,0:32:35.720

past year I did do a little bit of

 

0:32:33.320,0:32:37.480

raccoon calling and again Tory Cooks the

 

0:32:35.720,0:32:39.120

reason I did it you know we got to talk

 

0:32:37.480,0:32:41.080

about it and I thought it seemed like it

 

0:32:39.120,0:32:43.080

was awesome couldn't wait to try and I

 

0:32:41.080,0:32:44.799

had some luck uh film some up we never

 

0:32:43.080,0:32:47.799

did use any of it because it was pretty

 

0:32:44.799,0:32:49.919

rough but uh I did call Coons and I did

 

0:32:47.799,0:32:52.360

learn yeah about call placement a little

 

0:32:49.919,0:32:54.399

bit and some stuff that he told me and

 

0:32:52.360,0:32:55.919

then I seen it in action and actually a

 

0:32:54.399,0:32:57.960

couple little mistakes I guess where I

 

0:32:55.919,0:32:59.840

really wasn't comprehending what he was

 

0:32:57.960,0:33:01.840

saying but it got me in trouble but

 

0:32:59.840,0:33:03.240

anyway uh learn pretty quick on and I'm

 

0:33:01.840,0:33:05.080

looking forward to our season which it

 

0:33:03.240,0:33:07.200

don't come in till till closer to the

 

0:33:05.080,0:33:09.320

fall but uh let's get let's talk about

 

0:33:07.200,0:33:11.639

the angles let's talk about uh you know

 

0:33:09.320,0:33:15.000

your ecall placement and talk about the

 

0:33:11.639,0:33:17.519

angles a little bit more in depth um why

 

0:33:15.000,0:33:20.559

are angles important when placing your

 

0:33:17.519,0:33:23.279

Fox Pro ecall On Any Given stand it can

 

0:33:20.559,0:33:25.000

be any kind of situation well I think we

 

0:33:23.279,0:33:26.240

kind of we can probably Circle back to

 

0:33:25.000,0:33:29.039

some of the things that we've already

 

0:33:26.240,0:33:31.480

talked to already it's it's shot

 

0:33:29.039,0:33:34.519

opportunity that's probably the biggest

 

0:33:31.480,0:33:36.559

thing when I'm looking at Angles is

 

0:33:34.519,0:33:40.039

giving me the best shot opportunity on

 

0:33:36.559,0:33:42.159

that stand yep whether it's something I

 

0:33:40.039,0:33:44.559

can't see or structurally or if it's an

 

0:33:42.159,0:33:49.919

open piece of ground I want the best

 

0:33:44.559,0:33:52.000

angle for my shot opportunity right yeah

 

0:33:49.919,0:33:54.279

it uh one thing we haven't we mentioned

 

0:33:52.000,0:33:56.240

it a little bit earlier a lot of times

 

0:33:54.279,0:33:58.279

when it comes to angles usually the

 

0:33:56.240,0:34:00.600

first thing I'm thinking about when it

 

0:33:58.279,0:34:02.720

comes to where I'm placing my eall what

 

0:34:00.600,0:34:06.120

angle the eall is going to be away from

 

0:34:02.720,0:34:09.280

me the hunter usually has a lot to do

 

0:34:06.120,0:34:12.040

with the wind direction we hun a lot of

 

0:34:09.280,0:34:13.599

Crosswinds you know we have again like I

 

0:34:12.040,0:34:15.599

said about the Bob kit you usually have

 

0:34:13.599,0:34:18.359

a pretty good idea where our coyotes are

 

0:34:15.599,0:34:20.520

at how they're going to approach and

 

0:34:18.359,0:34:22.079

what do coyotes usually do to the sound

 

0:34:20.520,0:34:24.320

they're going to work to the downwind

 

0:34:22.079,0:34:25.320

side exactly so if you're hunting a left

 

0:34:24.320,0:34:27.879

to right

 

0:34:25.320,0:34:29.560

crosswind you got kows you think in

 

0:34:27.879,0:34:33.000

front of you left right crosswind I'm

 

0:34:29.560,0:34:35.320

going to hedge that fox Pro up to the

 

0:34:33.000,0:34:37.240

left I going to take it angled up to the

 

0:34:35.320,0:34:38.879

left and how much I angle it and that

 

0:34:37.240,0:34:41.560

distance I take it away from me to get

 

0:34:38.879,0:34:43.919

that angle that I need you know it's

 

0:34:41.560,0:34:46.720

depending on a lot of things but the

 

0:34:43.919,0:34:48.800

whole just to summarize it reason I'm

 

0:34:46.720,0:34:51.560

setting it up there to the upwind to the

 

0:34:48.800,0:34:54.079

left is because I want that coyote to

 

0:34:51.560,0:34:55.639

work that downwind come straight to me

 

0:34:54.079,0:34:57.920

I'll have my gun pointed right there in

 

0:34:55.639,0:35:00.359

that direction and while he's trying the

 

0:34:57.920,0:35:02.520

smell where the sound is coming from and

 

0:35:00.359,0:35:04.320

looking that way guess what you're right

 

0:35:02.520,0:35:06.240

there in the free and clear and you

 

0:35:04.320,0:35:08.359

shouldn't have to move your rifle or

 

0:35:06.240,0:35:10.480

shotgun or whatever you're that long bow

 

0:35:08.359,0:35:12.200

that Tori might be packing you don't

 

0:35:10.480,0:35:14.040

have to hardly move you're already set

 

0:35:12.200,0:35:16.599

up right there and that's where a lot of

 

0:35:14.040,0:35:18.000

this art form stu stuff comes in then of

 

0:35:16.599,0:35:19.839

course it has to do with talking about

 

0:35:18.000,0:35:22.839

the lay of the land can come into play

 

0:35:19.839,0:35:22.839

oh absolutely

 

0:35:23.000,0:35:29.160

absolutely but there's been many

 

0:35:25.839,0:35:30.760

situations um where I've not even

 

0:35:29.160,0:35:31.920

considered the win you know hunt a left

 

0:35:30.760,0:35:33.520

to right cross win I mean I'm

 

0:35:31.920,0:35:35.680

considering a win but not really

 

0:35:33.520,0:35:36.960

thinking about it for my ecall placement

 

0:35:35.680,0:35:38.839

and just walk it straight out there in

 

0:35:36.960,0:35:40.440

front of me and sure enough a coyote

 

0:35:38.839,0:35:42.359

work down to the downwind side either

 

0:35:40.440,0:35:43.720

hard right or hard left and I'm sitting

 

0:35:42.359,0:35:46.440

there thinking the whole

 

0:35:43.720,0:35:47.839

time I should have hedged the call over

 

0:35:46.440,0:35:50.640

that way it would have been such a

 

0:35:47.839,0:35:52.560

better uh better opportunity and just

 

0:35:50.640,0:35:54.800

like you was talking about for shot

 

0:35:52.560,0:35:56.960

opportunities you can dictate where that

 

0:35:54.800,0:35:59.359

Coyote's going to show up and it might

 

0:35:56.960,0:36:01.359

be it might be a stand that's got a a

 

0:35:59.359,0:36:04.119

weird lay to the land that there's a lot

 

0:36:01.359,0:36:06.520

of ground out there that a coyote or Bob

 

0:36:04.119,0:36:08.800

Bobcat Fox whatever that can hide from

 

0:36:06.520,0:36:10.240

you not that he's trying to hide from

 

0:36:08.800,0:36:13.240

you you just can't see him because how

 

0:36:10.240,0:36:15.119

it rolls so with the distance you put

 

0:36:13.240,0:36:17.960

the call out and the angle you put it

 

0:36:15.119,0:36:20.800

out you can potentially place the animal

 

0:36:17.960,0:36:23.800

exactly where you need it to be to kill

 

0:36:20.800,0:36:26.640

that c mhm we kind of did that yesterday

 

0:36:23.800,0:36:28.079

on the cout that came up uh we called we

 

0:36:26.640,0:36:30.000

called two cow yesterday Sten didn't

 

0:36:28.079,0:36:32.040

kill neither one of them was like dang

 

0:36:30.000,0:36:34.200

rookies but I thought our call placement

 

0:36:32.040,0:36:36.280

was pretty good and how we placed it was

 

0:36:34.200,0:36:38.160

in accordance to how the land was laying

 

0:36:36.280,0:36:40.319

in the wind direction at firstand we

 

0:36:38.160,0:36:42.520

actually took it I took the call what 80

 

0:36:40.319,0:36:43.839

yards yeah something like that 85 yards

 

0:36:42.520,0:36:45.359

and that's a long way for me people

 

0:36:43.839,0:36:47.040

ually I don't want to get it past that

 

0:36:45.359,0:36:48.760

30 yard Mark like we talking about

 

0:36:47.040,0:36:50.640

earlier but the reason I did that is

 

0:36:48.760,0:36:52.040

because we had this little draw that

 

0:36:50.640,0:36:54.560

come up and we were actually hunting

 

0:36:52.040,0:36:56.760

ahead of it I had to put it over there

 

0:36:54.560,0:36:58.200

to keep the coy out that way and get him

 

0:36:56.760,0:37:00.359

out there where we could

 

0:36:58.200,0:37:02.000

and sure enough we did it worked how it

 

0:37:00.359,0:37:04.000

needed to we could have killed the

 

0:37:02.000,0:37:05.720

coyote he sat out there we watched

 

0:37:04.000,0:37:07.359

filmed him for probably over a minute

 

0:37:05.720,0:37:08.839

yeah but the thing is we got our decoy

 

0:37:07.359,0:37:11.200

dogs out here we're trying to film a

 

0:37:08.839,0:37:13.720

decoy dog stand so anyway KY lost

 

0:37:11.200,0:37:16.079

interest and left he was hot it was hot

 

0:37:13.720,0:37:18.119

it was 101 degrees when we got out of

 

0:37:16.079,0:37:20.119

the truck yesterday what about that now

 

0:37:18.119,0:37:22.560

what kind of idiots get out and try to

 

0:37:20.119,0:37:24.000

call coyot in 101 degree with that's

 

0:37:22.560,0:37:25.720

what that coyote was doing sitting there

 

0:37:24.000,0:37:28.079

on his butt with his tongue hanging out

 

0:37:25.720,0:37:30.560

like what's going on up here this even

 

0:37:28.079,0:37:34.119

with it being that hot is a I ain't

 

0:37:30.560,0:37:36.400

lying you guys triple digits 101 degrees

 

0:37:34.119,0:37:40.040

when we walked at call out there and sat

 

0:37:36.400,0:37:42.160

down we were in the wide open Prairie we

 

0:37:40.040,0:37:43.560

C his coyot up out of a draw system he

 

0:37:42.160,0:37:45.480

was down in the shade probably laying in

 

0:37:43.560,0:37:46.960

the creek for all I know but we caught

 

0:37:45.480,0:37:49.720

him right out there in the wide open no

 

0:37:46.960,0:37:52.480

shading sight 101 degre sun beating down

 

0:37:49.720,0:37:53.720

on him and us and we were actually right

 

0:37:52.480,0:37:55.880

out here the middle the Prairie too we

 

0:37:53.720,0:37:58.240

were not setting in any kind of cover

 

0:37:55.880,0:38:00.319

right maybe thigh high weeds was what we

 

0:37:58.240,0:38:02.520

were sitting in and a coyote never saw

 

0:38:00.319,0:38:04.280

us no never saw us and it all has to do

 

0:38:02.520,0:38:07.000

with call placement and had a family

 

0:38:04.280,0:38:08.800

group of coyotes answer us we did we did

 

0:38:07.000,0:38:11.920

you know that that was pretty cool you

 

0:38:08.800,0:38:13.760

know 101 temperature out and you know

 

0:38:11.920,0:38:17.359

the wind was blowing a little bit but

 

0:38:13.760,0:38:20.040

it's hot and bad hot you I don't think

 

0:38:17.359,0:38:21.800

you could have got coyotes in my area to

 

0:38:20.040,0:38:25.280

respond

 

0:38:21.800,0:38:27.520

in1 degree temperature but I was I was

 

0:38:25.280,0:38:29.000

intrigued that they were over there

 

0:38:27.520,0:38:31.040

talking back to us it was pretty cool it

 

0:38:29.000,0:38:32.760

was a pretty cool setup yeah we I think

 

0:38:31.040,0:38:35.079

we I think we was in the right situation

 

0:38:32.760,0:38:37.200

for that we had um sound like a group of

 

0:38:35.079,0:38:39.640

pups yeah and an adult in there with

 

0:38:37.200,0:38:41.760

them anyway man we should have shot that

 

0:38:39.640,0:38:43.160

Coy yeah I wish I had that stand back

 

0:38:41.760,0:38:45.760

I'd send one right in there on that

 

0:38:43.160,0:38:49.440

sucker man lobed right in there it was

 

0:38:45.760,0:38:51.119

close I I think both you and Jeff had

 

0:38:49.440,0:38:53.240

had your finger on the trigger ready to

 

0:38:51.119,0:38:55.079

rock I was literally fixing we talked

 

0:38:53.240,0:38:57.920

about this last night I was literally

 

0:38:55.079,0:38:59.800

fixing to put the words out of my mouth

 

0:38:57.920,0:39:01.319

Jeff if you can shoot that kill that

 

0:38:59.800,0:39:02.760

kyot shoot because I actually had to

 

0:39:01.319,0:39:04.200

shoot through some weeds and stuff so I

 

0:39:02.760,0:39:06.000

wasn't going to shoot at it and right

 

0:39:04.200,0:39:08.000

when I started to say it KY turns and

 

0:39:06.000,0:39:10.000

walks off never to be seen again we'll

 

0:39:08.000,0:39:13.000

go back in the winter and get him Mo but

 

0:39:10.000,0:39:15.240

yeah yeah next question I got here is

 

0:39:13.000,0:39:17.400

what about call placement for night

 

0:39:15.240,0:39:19.720

hunting versus day

 

0:39:17.400,0:39:24.079

hunting this is a very good topic and I

 

0:39:19.720,0:39:26.920

really like this topic um I'm not I'm

 

0:39:24.079,0:39:29.720

not that night hunter that goes out you

 

0:39:26.920,0:39:31.960

know 50 nights a year my night Hunt's

 

0:39:29.720,0:39:34.640

very limited we have an 8we season in

 

0:39:31.960,0:39:37.560

Missouri but you know out of that 8we

 

0:39:34.640,0:39:42.160

season I'll probably hunt 10 days at the

 

0:39:37.560,0:39:45.280

most yeah um but for me you know I I

 

0:39:42.160,0:39:48.319

somewhat treat it just like a daytime as

 

0:39:45.280,0:39:51.119

far as call placement yeah uh you can

 

0:39:48.319,0:39:53.800

get away with a lot more obviously but I

 

0:39:51.119,0:39:56.560

still want that shot opportunity at

 

0:39:53.800,0:39:59.760

night there's still parts of the the lay

 

0:39:56.560,0:40:02.240

of the land that you can't see at night

 

0:39:59.760,0:40:03.920

and I don't want to get my call too far

 

0:40:02.240,0:40:07.880

out and I don't want to get it too close

 

0:40:03.920,0:40:10.119

to me uh just because I have had that

 

0:40:07.880,0:40:12.440

situation where I did feel maybe I had

 

0:40:10.119,0:40:14.680

my call too close to me had a cowch come

 

0:40:12.440,0:40:17.079

running in just wasn't able to get swung

 

0:40:14.680,0:40:19.200

on him like I wanted to and I really

 

0:40:17.079,0:40:23.560

feel it was because of my call placement

 

0:40:19.200,0:40:26.359

right you know so I try to treat that um

 

0:40:23.560,0:40:28.359

you know as I would if I was day calling

 

0:40:26.359,0:40:32.800

yeah and I think that's what I really

 

0:40:28.359,0:40:34.960

feel like me being a primarily a daytime

 

0:40:32.800,0:40:36.920

Hunter I feel that makes me a better

 

0:40:34.960,0:40:39.400

night Hunter because of the call

 

0:40:36.920,0:40:40.880

placement right you know that's just me

 

0:40:39.400,0:40:43.680

personally I don't really know that I

 

0:40:40.880,0:40:46.079

can't put that theory into actual truth

 

0:40:43.680,0:40:48.480

but right that's how I feel about it you

 

0:40:46.079,0:40:50.119

know well that sounds good to me you

 

0:40:48.480,0:40:53.920

know I really can't add nothing to that

 

0:40:50.119,0:40:56.079

I don't do very little of that stuff so

 

0:40:53.920,0:40:58.640

um glad you do have some experience with

 

0:40:56.079,0:41:02.760

night hunting uh to be able to answer

 

0:40:58.640,0:41:04.680

that but let's just uh let's say kind of

 

0:41:02.760,0:41:08.040

to bring all this

 

0:41:04.680,0:41:10.200

together say I walk up to you I'm a

 

0:41:08.040,0:41:13.440

brand new Hunter I see you out I said oh

 

0:41:10.200,0:41:16.079

my gosh is that him is that the C

 

0:41:13.440,0:41:19.720

Commander himself is that Corey

 

0:41:16.079,0:41:22.680

gr Corey I follow you on Facebook you

 

0:41:19.720,0:41:24.680

are a coyot killing son of a buck I've

 

0:41:22.680,0:41:27.560

got a question for you man I'm

 

0:41:24.680,0:41:29.240

struggling with ecall placement where do

 

0:41:27.560,0:41:31.280

I how do I need to how far out do I need

 

0:41:29.240,0:41:33.920

to set my call what do I need to do if I

 

0:41:31.280,0:41:34.880

ask you some tips on placing a call out

 

0:41:33.920,0:41:36.520

there cuz I'm going to go hunting

 

0:41:34.880,0:41:37.800

tonight I don't know nothing about it I

 

0:41:36.520,0:41:39.880

don't know what I'm doing what would you

 

0:41:37.800,0:41:42.920

tell a new Hunter you know to bring

 

0:41:39.880,0:41:44.440

everything together explain ecall

 

0:41:42.920,0:41:47.280

placement to me to make me a better

 

0:41:44.440,0:41:49.760

coyote Hunter so I can learn well the

 

0:41:47.280,0:41:53.520

first thing I'm going to tell you

 

0:41:49.760,0:41:54.640

is call placement is uh just I mean

 

0:41:53.520,0:41:56.680

everything that we've gone through

 

0:41:54.640,0:41:57.960

through this whole podcast uh I'm going

 

0:41:56.680,0:42:00.240

to tell you

 

0:41:57.960,0:42:03.839

don't go don't overthink it don't get it

 

0:42:00.240,0:42:06.599

out too far always want to keep your

 

0:42:03.839,0:42:09.319

downwind to where you can see off your

 

0:42:06.599,0:42:11.160

call placement going explain to them

 

0:42:09.319,0:42:15.040

about shot opportunities just like we've

 

0:42:11.160,0:42:17.160

talked in this podcast uh and how the

 

0:42:15.040,0:42:21.040

advantages are of that whether you're

 

0:42:17.160,0:42:23.440

daytime calling or nighttime calling um

 

0:42:21.040,0:42:26.240

it's hard to explain sometimes I mean

 

0:42:23.440,0:42:28.960

it's hard to put these things in into

 

0:42:26.240,0:42:32.160

words to help you guys understand what

 

0:42:28.960,0:42:34.480

we're talking about um you know best

 

0:42:32.160,0:42:37.040

thing to do if you know listen to this

 

0:42:34.480,0:42:40.559

podcast best thing to do is look up some

 

0:42:37.040,0:42:43.640

footage of guys setting call placement

 

0:42:40.559,0:42:45.800

out on their stands they may not be

 

0:42:43.640,0:42:48.240

specifically you know doing that in

 

0:42:45.800,0:42:51.440

their videos but you'll pick up on it

 

0:42:48.240,0:42:53.880

and uh it it in turn it's going to make

 

0:42:51.440,0:42:55.319

you a better Hunter for sure yeah I I

 

0:42:53.880,0:42:57.480

think you pretty much said it right

 

0:42:55.319,0:43:00.119

there you know when when guys ask me

 

0:42:57.480,0:43:01.920

this in private messages or shows we get

 

0:43:00.119,0:43:03.800

this a lot at shows we get a lot at

 

0:43:01.920,0:43:06.800

shows it's it's usually a question that

 

0:43:03.800,0:43:08.880

comes up with new Hunters uh that's been

 

0:43:06.800,0:43:11.119

going at it for a little bit but they're

 

0:43:08.880,0:43:13.000

still green and they'll ask a lot at

 

0:43:11.119,0:43:16.079

seminars and stuff like that and you

 

0:43:13.000,0:43:18.640

know I just tell them I said

 

0:43:16.079,0:43:20.680

listen don't like you just said you said

 

0:43:18.640,0:43:23.839

don't overthink it right don't overthink

 

0:43:20.680,0:43:26.119

it but be mindful of it at the same time

 

0:43:23.839,0:43:28.720

exactly there's no need to stretch a

 

0:43:26.119,0:43:31.960

call out there to 300 yards there's

 

0:43:28.720,0:43:36.760

really no reason for it um be looking at

 

0:43:31.960,0:43:40.680

that 20 to 60 steps 20 to 60 steps at 20

 

0:43:36.760,0:43:43.680

steps and Beyond and inside at 60 you

 

0:43:40.680,0:43:46.240

can get a away with a lot and that has

 

0:43:43.680,0:43:50.400

to do with movement or whatever it might

 

0:43:46.240,0:43:52.520

be um so 20 to 60

 

0:43:50.400,0:43:54.240

yards pay attention to your wind

 

0:43:52.520,0:43:56.079

direction if you're hunting Crosswinds

 

0:43:54.240,0:43:57.920

you can really hedge that call to the

 

0:43:56.079,0:43:59.280

left or right and ordance with the wind

 

0:43:57.920,0:44:01.200

direction like I said if it's a left to

 

0:43:59.280,0:44:02.760

right cross wind I'm going to hedge it

 

0:44:01.200,0:44:04.480

out to the left it's a right to left

 

0:44:02.760,0:44:05.960

cross wind I'm going to hedge it out to

 

0:44:04.480,0:44:09.119

the right right because they're going to

 

0:44:05.960,0:44:10.760

circle to that downwind side and of

 

0:44:09.119,0:44:13.119

course you just got to be able to shoot

 

0:44:10.760,0:44:16.520

them before they get to the downwind and

 

0:44:13.119,0:44:18.920

one thing about it they can wind the fox

 

0:44:16.520,0:44:20.319

Pro it's got your scent on it so you

 

0:44:18.920,0:44:22.440

need to get them killed before they get

 

0:44:20.319,0:44:24.200

to the downwind side of the call so that

 

0:44:22.440,0:44:27.359

is really my main thing I tell people

 

0:44:24.200,0:44:31.400

listen be thinking about 20 to 60 yards

 

0:44:27.359,0:44:33.400

set it at an angle for the wind and plus

 

0:44:31.400,0:44:35.000

set it at an angle so where a coyote

 

0:44:33.400,0:44:36.960

does approach they're not looking right

 

0:44:35.000,0:44:38.119

through the call right at you that way

 

0:44:36.960,0:44:40.720

you can get away with a little bit

 

0:44:38.119,0:44:42.240

movement if you need to be moving

 

0:44:40.720,0:44:43.880

another rule of thumb of mine that I

 

0:44:42.240,0:44:46.559

said earlier I always want to be able to

 

0:44:43.880,0:44:48.440

see it for me personally I want to be

 

0:44:46.559,0:44:50.200

able to see the eall you never want to

 

0:44:48.440,0:44:51.880

sit it down in a dip I think it's the

 

0:44:50.200,0:44:53.960

worst thing to sit in a dip where it's

 

0:44:51.880,0:44:55.480

hidden that you can't see it it's

 

0:44:53.960,0:44:57.359

possible that an animal could get to

 

0:44:55.480,0:44:59.680

that dip without you ever seeing them

 

0:44:57.359,0:45:01.160

and then of course time you ever do see

 

0:44:59.680,0:45:02.880

them at that point it's too late cuz

 

0:45:01.160,0:45:04.599

they probably stuck their head in the

 

0:45:02.880,0:45:07.040

speaker and got a whole nose full of

 

0:45:04.599,0:45:08.760

chph or John Collins or whoever's out

 

0:45:07.040,0:45:10.200

there listening and it's just you know

 

0:45:08.760,0:45:12.400

you've boogered up an animal that you

 

0:45:10.200,0:45:14.960

might not get a get a bullet in but

 

0:45:12.400,0:45:17.839

that's usually the the main things that

 

0:45:14.960,0:45:19.760

I usually cover is is that type of stuff

 

0:45:17.839,0:45:22.599

and again I tell them don't overthink it

 

0:45:19.760,0:45:24.440

but be mindful of what can happen you

 

0:45:22.599,0:45:26.400

know and why you need to place it

 

0:45:24.440,0:45:28.079

certain spots to be successful yep

 

0:45:26.400,0:45:32.240

that's a very good way to put it the the

 

0:45:28.079,0:45:34.839

mindful part I got one question for you

 

0:45:32.240,0:45:38.079

here for the end for a

 

0:45:34.839,0:45:41.119

little quick hit thing what do you think

 

0:45:38.079,0:45:44.440

would be the biggest ecall placement

 

0:45:41.119,0:45:47.720

mistake that you see or hear about from

 

0:45:44.440,0:45:49.800

new hunters or even a veteran Hunter the

 

0:45:47.720,0:45:52.680

biggest

 

0:45:49.800,0:45:55.119

mistake overthinking I think they

 

0:45:52.680,0:45:57.839

overthink it

 

0:45:55.119,0:45:59.880

and they get back to their location and

 

0:45:57.839,0:46:02.319

think that is going to

 

0:45:59.880,0:46:05.760

work and they find out that it's not

 

0:46:02.319,0:46:07.880

going to I I I really feel like there is

 

0:46:05.760,0:46:10.400

so many opportunities

 

0:46:07.880,0:46:13.960

that like you said a minute ago that

 

0:46:10.400,0:46:18.480

guys just ain't being mindful to

 

0:46:13.960,0:46:20.640

and overthinking I think is a to me

 

0:46:18.480,0:46:23.160

that's the most important part just yeah

 

0:46:20.640,0:46:25.119

just do it look at your structure look

 

0:46:23.160,0:46:28.720

try to look through everything through

 

0:46:25.119,0:46:31.640

that location and stand and do the best

 

0:46:28.720,0:46:34.160

you can I mean but that's how we learn

 

0:46:31.640,0:46:37.440

right John I mean we learn from mistakes

 

0:46:34.160,0:46:40.000

and you know when you and I you know

 

0:46:37.440,0:46:42.960

started predator hunting years ago I

 

0:46:40.000,0:46:44.920

mean I was 14 years old I don't know how

 

0:46:42.960,0:46:47.359

old you was when you started we didn't

 

0:46:44.920,0:46:50.280

have podcast and we didn't have YouTube

 

0:46:47.359,0:46:52.240

yeah yeah and it's you're going to make

 

0:46:50.280,0:46:54.040

mistakes but you can't you know you

 

0:46:52.240,0:46:56.640

can't just bury your head in the ground

 

0:46:54.040,0:46:58.000

because of them you know it's going to

 

0:46:56.640,0:47:01.000

happen

 

0:46:58.000,0:47:02.520

I'll um I agree with you um and I'll

 

0:47:01.000,0:47:06.079

answer this question as well and I've

 

0:47:02.520,0:47:09.000

got two two big mistakes that I see and

 

0:47:06.079,0:47:14.680

hear about and one of them I'll talk

 

0:47:09.000,0:47:18.000

about um Cody hassinger fellow Fox Pro

 

0:47:14.680,0:47:20.160

employee I want he's one to edits his

 

0:47:18.000,0:47:23.599

podcast so he's but this happened to me

 

0:47:20.160,0:47:26.119

and Cody this happened uh back in June

 

0:47:23.599,0:47:28.440

we were on a hunt and we were hunting a

 

0:47:26.119,0:47:29.920

a pretty tight quarter stand this is

 

0:47:28.440,0:47:31.400

both of our faults we should have known

 

0:47:29.920,0:47:33.240

better it was just a rookie mistake by

 

0:47:31.400,0:47:34.920

both of us really we were kind of

 

0:47:33.240,0:47:36.400

flustered a little bit we' made a couple

 

0:47:34.920,0:47:37.960

stands it just didn't work out way they

 

0:47:36.400,0:47:39.760

needed to we' call coyotes and they got

 

0:47:37.960,0:47:41.480

away from us so we was like man we got

 

0:47:39.760,0:47:42.839

we need a coyot we need a coyote we was

 

0:47:41.480,0:47:43.880

working really hard for it and we kind

 

0:47:42.839,0:47:47.559

of got to one of those deals where we

 

0:47:43.880,0:47:49.200

were overthinking it hunting a tight

 

0:47:47.559,0:47:51.280

tight little stand location had a bunch

 

0:47:49.200,0:47:53.119

of like Old Sage orange trees dotted

 

0:47:51.280,0:47:54.800

around so a lot of places a kyot could

 

0:47:53.119,0:47:58.240

come in and get behind stuff and you not

 

0:47:54.800,0:47:59.839

get shots off so

 

0:47:58.240,0:48:01.160

and the grass is a little tall we was

 

0:47:59.839,0:48:02.720

fighting the grass a little bit some of

 

0:48:01.160,0:48:04.480

that stuff was knee high then it get

 

0:48:02.720,0:48:06.800

down the ankle high then it'd be up to

 

0:48:04.480,0:48:08.200

thigh high and all that stuff so we were

 

0:48:06.800,0:48:10.640

out there looking we're going to sit

 

0:48:08.200,0:48:12.520

right here to this oage orange tree this

 

0:48:10.640,0:48:13.760

you know deal and we're going to set the

 

0:48:12.520,0:48:16.280

car right here in this spot see if we

 

0:48:13.760,0:48:18.040

can't get them in this lower grass well

 

0:48:16.280,0:48:20.400

I walk a call out there and Cody comes

 

0:48:18.040,0:48:22.440

with me I set the call down what we

 

0:48:20.400,0:48:24.599

should have done is turn around walk

 

0:48:22.440,0:48:26.520

right back down and sit down but we get

 

0:48:24.599,0:48:27.440

out there and Cody looks over to the

 

0:48:26.520,0:48:28.839

right and he says what do you think

 

0:48:27.440,0:48:30.599

about that tree over here to the right

 

0:48:28.839,0:48:33.760

John it's over here about another 50

 

0:48:30.599,0:48:34.920

yards and I say I don't know you think

 

0:48:33.760,0:48:38.000

we can see a little bit better from

 

0:48:34.920,0:48:40.599

there if we sit there and Cody says let

 

0:48:38.000,0:48:42.680

me go over there and look well this is

 

0:48:40.599,0:48:45.960

the mistake okay it is where it all went

 

0:48:42.680,0:48:49.000

wrong I got you Cody walked over there

 

0:48:45.960,0:48:51.440

to that tree 50 yards to our right which

 

0:48:49.000,0:48:53.839

guess what was a downwind side was the

 

0:48:51.440,0:48:55.359

downwind side of the call he walks over

 

0:48:53.839,0:48:57.359

turn around looks he says no it's kind

 

0:48:55.359,0:49:00.160

of a low spot we said here we can't we

 

0:48:57.359,0:49:02.160

see less so he walks back up here to me

 

0:49:00.160,0:49:04.799

then we walk back here and sit down

 

0:49:02.160,0:49:07.599

guess what 8 minutes in 9 minutes in her

 

0:49:04.799,0:49:08.880

Comes This Coy ripping in straight in I

 

0:49:07.599,0:49:10.880

said oh man here comes one we're gonna

 

0:49:08.880,0:49:14.160

kill him right here well he gets out

 

0:49:10.880,0:49:16.640

there about 60 or 70 yards remember guys

 

0:49:14.160,0:49:18.720

we got some Tall Grass we got some uh

 

0:49:16.640,0:49:20.559

Hedge Apple trees those o jords I don't

 

0:49:18.720,0:49:22.359

know what you guys call them hedge trees

 

0:49:20.559,0:49:24.960

yeah we got those doted around so this

 

0:49:22.359,0:49:26.400

Co is in view out of view in view out of

 

0:49:24.960,0:49:27.880

view so you know we're trying to film

 

0:49:26.400,0:49:30.079

him trying to get I could have shot him

 

0:49:27.880,0:49:31.760

a 100 times before he you know if was

 

0:49:30.079,0:49:35.480

just calling and killing anyway long

 

0:49:31.760,0:49:37.359

story short the coy gets in a good range

 

0:49:35.480,0:49:39.040

but then he starts to Circle down wi of

 

0:49:37.359,0:49:41.480

the call and when he starts to Circle

 

0:49:39.040,0:49:44.640

down wi of the call he is digging son I

 

0:49:41.480,0:49:46.799

mean kicking up dirt he coming hard I'm

 

0:49:44.640,0:49:49.760

thinking oh I'm mindful of myself so our

 

0:49:46.799,0:49:51.960

wind is perfect we're we're left right

 

0:49:49.760,0:49:54.319

crosswind he still got another 30 yards

 

0:49:51.960,0:49:57.319

to go before he ever Cuts our

 

0:49:54.319,0:49:59.520

wind I start to woof him this stop all a

 

0:49:57.319,0:50:03.119

sudden before I ever get a chance to he

 

0:49:59.520,0:50:05.680

locks up and immediately turns and goes

 

0:50:03.119,0:50:07.839

flying out of there and I'm like what in

 

0:50:05.680,0:50:09.280

the world what happened to the cow I'm

 

0:50:07.839,0:50:12.599

looking around see if anybody stood up

 

0:50:09.280,0:50:14.480

and started doing you know calisthenics

 

0:50:12.599,0:50:15.839

you know to see what happened and

 

0:50:14.480,0:50:17.960

everybody's like what happened to that

 

0:50:15.839,0:50:19.200

cow why did he run off I like man our

 

0:50:17.960,0:50:21.559

wind's blowing over here there's no way

 

0:50:19.200,0:50:23.119

he winded us and then Cody I looked over

 

0:50:21.559,0:50:25.160

Cody and his eyes are like you know big

 

0:50:23.119,0:50:27.599

around his saucers he said he cut her

 

0:50:25.160,0:50:30.240

track yep and and I said dang you're

 

0:50:27.599,0:50:31.880

right that Co it got to the spot where

 

0:50:30.240,0:50:33.520

we Cody said look what about this tree

 

0:50:31.880,0:50:37.280

over here let's walk over and check it

 

0:50:33.520,0:50:40.599

out he cut Cody's track walking over to

 

0:50:37.280,0:50:42.119

that other tree yep and so that is one

 

0:50:40.599,0:50:44.559

of the big mistakes and I talked about

 

0:50:42.119,0:50:46.640

it earlier about walking a call out at

 

0:50:44.559,0:50:48.440

300 yards you're laying all kinds of

 

0:50:46.640,0:50:49.799

scent out going 300 yards and then

 

0:50:48.440,0:50:52.040

you're laying another track of scent

 

0:50:49.799,0:50:54.160

coming back for 300 yards and it's just

 

0:50:52.040,0:50:57.680

a lot of sin on the ground these coyotes

 

0:50:54.160,0:51:00.040

live and die by their nose every single

 

0:50:57.680,0:51:02.599

move that a coyote makes is dictated by

 

0:51:00.040,0:51:05.160

its nose it doesn't matter whether it's

 

0:51:02.599,0:51:07.359

you know looking for a mate hunting

 

0:51:05.160,0:51:09.480

moving from point A to point B keeping

 

0:51:07.359,0:51:12.960

up with his family group coming to a fox

 

0:51:09.480,0:51:15.440

Pro that's screaming some juicy Fawn or

 

0:51:12.960,0:51:17.640

you know or whatever you know they're

 

0:51:15.440,0:51:21.079

using their nose and what happened that

 

0:51:17.640,0:51:23.839

coow run right through there and cut our

 

0:51:21.079,0:51:25.760

track so if you're making walking your

 

0:51:23.839,0:51:27.359

eall out too far landay down too much

 

0:51:25.760,0:51:29.200

scent or you get out there and place

 

0:51:27.359,0:51:31.319

your eall and start wandering around to

 

0:51:29.200,0:51:33.119

the left and right for no reason laying

 

0:51:31.319,0:51:35.119

down additional scent to the left and

 

0:51:33.119,0:51:36.520

right and behind the call you're just

 

0:51:35.119,0:51:38.280

you're just setting yourself up for

 

0:51:36.520,0:51:41.400

failure if a Cy gets there and gets too

 

0:51:38.280,0:51:43.280

close so that is one of the big ones

 

0:51:41.400,0:51:44.960

right there and then my other one is

 

0:51:43.280,0:51:46.520

setting a call down where you cannot see

 

0:51:44.960,0:51:49.280

it down in a low spot or something like

 

0:51:46.520,0:51:51.880

I see that and I I guess I've just never

 

0:51:49.280,0:51:53.799

really had done that to myself I try not

 

0:51:51.880,0:51:56.000

to you know we're stupid you know

 

0:51:53.799,0:51:58.359

sometimes we do stupid stuff me Cody

 

0:51:56.000,0:52:00.720

both look at like what why you know he

 

0:51:58.359,0:52:02.040

was mad you know oh yeah well you get

 

0:52:00.720,0:52:03.480

you know you might get to your last

 

0:52:02.040,0:52:05.359

stand of the day and you're in a little

 

0:52:03.480,0:52:06.720

bit of a hurry and you get out to place

 

0:52:05.359,0:52:08.200

your call and the grass is a little

 

0:52:06.720,0:52:09.799

taller than why what it should be and

 

0:52:08.200,0:52:12.079

you're like ah it'd be all right I'm

 

0:52:09.799,0:52:12.920

going to set it down right here yep not

 

0:52:12.079,0:52:15.160

being

 

0:52:12.920,0:52:18.119

mindful right

 

0:52:15.160,0:52:20.040

yep absolutely and there's been times

 

0:52:18.119,0:52:22.240

and that I'll tell you about a mistake

 

0:52:20.040,0:52:24.119

that is has bit me in the butt you know

 

0:52:22.240,0:52:26.079

I'm setting my stuff down getting ready

 

0:52:24.119,0:52:27.440

to make a stand I'm by myself and I look

 

0:52:26.079,0:52:28.680

out there I said yep I'm going to set my

 

0:52:27.440,0:52:31.319

collar right there by that tough of

 

0:52:28.680,0:52:33.079

grass out there and I walk it out there

 

0:52:31.319,0:52:35.400

and set it down and then turn around and

 

0:52:33.079,0:52:37.920

get out there and get situated and look

 

0:52:35.400,0:52:39.880

up and I see the call but right past the

 

0:52:37.920,0:52:42.880

call it rolls off right where you can't

 

0:52:39.880,0:52:45.280

see very good and I've been guilty like

 

0:52:42.880,0:52:47.160

ah I'll go ahead and call it anyway you

 

0:52:45.280,0:52:49.040

know maybe coyot will come over here and

 

0:52:47.160,0:52:51.040

sure enough you call a coyot up and he

 

0:52:49.040,0:52:52.680

runs up there to towards the call and

 

0:52:51.040,0:52:54.280

stops right after where it rolls off

 

0:52:52.680,0:52:56.200

only thing you see the tip of his ears

 

0:52:54.280,0:52:58.280

bet you know what I mean that's a bad

 

0:52:56.200,0:53:00.040

call placement I should have walked out

 

0:52:58.280,0:53:01.400

there and either move the call to the

 

0:53:00.040,0:53:03.000

right to get it out there in the wide

 

0:53:01.400,0:53:04.559

open KY would had to come up there where

 

0:53:03.000,0:53:08.000

you can see him in full view or set it

 

0:53:04.559,0:53:10.760

closer to me right you know and and that

 

0:53:08.000,0:53:13.040

those are mistakes we learn by and I've

 

0:53:10.760,0:53:15.520

done it I've done the same thing but get

 

0:53:13.040,0:53:18.160

up and i' there's times I've not gotten

 

0:53:15.520,0:53:20.119

up and it's bit me in the butt but I try

 

0:53:18.160,0:53:22.960

to if it don't look right to me I will

 

0:53:20.119,0:53:24.839

go and move the call U because of

 

0:53:22.960,0:53:26.160

stories just like that I've I've had the

 

0:53:24.839,0:53:27.799

same things I'm sure there's a lot of

 

0:53:26.160,0:53:29.559

guys listens had that happen oh

 

0:53:27.799,0:53:31.880

absolutely you know and you know most of

 

0:53:29.559,0:53:33.520

the time if I sit down and see that ah I

 

0:53:31.880,0:53:35.799

got need I need to move the call you

 

0:53:33.520,0:53:37.400

know and I'll go out there and move it

 

0:53:35.799,0:53:38.880

and it's a good thing I did it works out

 

0:53:37.400,0:53:40.640

how it needs to work out that's kind of

 

0:53:38.880,0:53:43.520

one of those things too where we said

 

0:53:40.640,0:53:45.920

don't overthink it but be mindful you

 

0:53:43.520,0:53:48.160

got to you got to see the mistakes that

 

0:53:45.920,0:53:50.599

can happen on a stand you got to

 

0:53:48.160,0:53:52.040

visualize it you know cuz you say man

 

0:53:50.599,0:53:53.440

you know a coyot could come over here

 

0:53:52.040,0:53:55.480

and get in this situation not getting

 

0:53:53.440,0:53:57.559

killed a coyot could come over here and

 

0:53:55.480,0:53:58.680

get down wi and win me KY could come

 

0:53:57.559,0:54:01.119

over here and I not have a shot

 

0:53:58.680,0:54:03.920

opportunity you've got to be able to see

 

0:54:01.119,0:54:05.920

that type of stuff happening and usually

 

0:54:03.920,0:54:08.720

if you see something that could go wrong

 

0:54:05.920,0:54:11.400

A lot of times that's going go wrong but

 

0:54:08.720,0:54:13.280

try to pick that out before you exactly

 

0:54:11.400,0:54:15.640

go and stand there just like you and

 

0:54:13.280,0:54:18.400

Cody did I'm you know you made a mistake

 

0:54:15.640,0:54:20.400

and that's we almost did it today we

 

0:54:18.400,0:54:21.839

this Last Stand we made this morning if

 

0:54:20.400,0:54:23.280

we got up and we standing around

 

0:54:21.839,0:54:24.839

absolutely and we was looking said man

 

0:54:23.280,0:54:27.119

can't really see all that good right

 

0:54:24.839,0:54:29.559

here and they got a a you know was kind

 

0:54:27.119,0:54:32.040

of cheating a wind wind angle tight

 

0:54:29.559,0:54:34.119

stand a very similar situation it's a

 

0:54:32.040,0:54:36.640

very similar situation to what what we

 

0:54:34.119,0:54:38.319

did yeah and you know I actually walked

 

0:54:36.640,0:54:39.520

kind of back behind us to the right

 

0:54:38.319,0:54:41.440

because I thought said maybe we can sit

 

0:54:39.520,0:54:43.760

here we give us a better field of view

 

0:54:41.440,0:54:46.119

if I'd have walked out there to the left

 

0:54:43.760,0:54:47.520

or now we didn't call Ky on this stand

 

0:54:46.119,0:54:49.480

but I'm just saying we could have got in

 

0:54:47.520,0:54:51.040

a situation the same exact deal get out

 

0:54:49.480,0:54:53.000

there walking around trampling around

 

0:54:51.040,0:54:54.720

the more s you lay down and a cow can

 

0:54:53.000,0:54:56.480

come from any angle you know we always

 

0:54:54.720,0:54:57.760

like to know think we know where a c

 

0:54:56.480,0:54:59.440

going to come from a lot of times we get

 

0:54:57.760,0:55:01.520

it right but there's always those times

 

0:54:59.440,0:55:03.160

when a cow surprises you oh that there's

 

0:55:01.520,0:55:05.400

always that one will teach you something

 

0:55:03.160,0:55:07.280

oh yeah yeah so we could have very

 

0:55:05.400,0:55:09.680

easily done that this morning oh yeah I

 

0:55:07.280,0:55:12.799

can see that absolutely but that was a

 

0:55:09.680,0:55:14.920

kind of the the same type situation and

 

0:55:12.799,0:55:17.559

man it bit us it bit us I'm talking

 

0:55:14.920,0:55:20.119

about a a hard charging coyote that we

 

0:55:17.559,0:55:21.799

would have shot at 30 steps mhm but

 

0:55:20.119,0:55:24.079

instead we watched him get out there at

 

0:55:21.799,0:55:26.359

about 50 or 60 and he B turned and

 

0:55:24.079,0:55:29.079

burned out there cuz he cut her track I

 

0:55:26.359,0:55:31.760

actually did this on a bobcat last year

 

0:55:29.079,0:55:35.160

uh set the call out I had a

 

0:55:31.760,0:55:38.920

little patch of briers that was about oh

 

0:55:35.160,0:55:40.960

probably 10 maybe 15 ft off to my

 

0:55:38.920,0:55:43.200

right and I thought that that little

 

0:55:40.960,0:55:45.039

patch of brass brush was just up the

 

0:55:43.200,0:55:46.119

hill enough I could see past it you know

 

0:55:45.039,0:55:49.640

it wasn't going to it wasn't going to

 

0:55:46.119,0:55:52.039

hurt my my setup ended up calling in a

 

0:55:49.640,0:55:53.839

Bobcat about 80 yards on the other side

 

0:55:52.039,0:55:57.319

of that and I was getting ready to get

 

0:55:53.839,0:56:00.520

up I was done with my staying location

 

0:55:57.319,0:56:03.240

had the call shut off and was thinking

 

0:56:00.520,0:56:04.920

about grabbing my tripod and folding it

 

0:56:03.240,0:56:07.520

up and happened to look through that

 

0:56:04.920,0:56:09.240

brush and I seen something catch my eye

 

0:56:07.520,0:56:11.359

that it was just a little bit more white

 

0:56:09.240,0:56:15.680

than yeah the rest of the terrain around

 

0:56:11.359,0:56:17.359

it and stinking Bobcat crouched down and

 

0:56:15.680,0:56:18.920

going back and watching the the video

 

0:56:17.359,0:56:21.640

footage of him I could just barely see

 

0:56:18.920,0:56:23.119

him through that brush cuz my my camera

 

0:56:21.640,0:56:25.039

was picking up the brush more than it

 

0:56:23.119,0:56:28.480

was picking up him but he'd been there a

 

0:56:25.039,0:56:30.839

while yeah and and uh you know that was

 

0:56:28.480,0:56:32.480

I wasn't mindful of that brush I thought

 

0:56:30.839,0:56:33.960

I was clear of it and it taught me a

 

0:56:32.480,0:56:35.440

little bit right there I ended up

 

0:56:33.960,0:56:37.640

getting him killed but he seen me before

 

0:56:35.440,0:56:39.640

I shot right you're too late though was

 

0:56:37.640,0:56:40.839

it that's right well you got anything

 

0:56:39.640,0:56:43.640

else you'd like to leave us with before

 

0:56:40.839,0:56:45.599

we jump off here no you know uh guys I

 

0:56:43.640,0:56:48.359

appreciate you listening to the fox Pro

 

0:56:45.599,0:56:50.839

podcast if you have any questions uh

 

0:56:48.359,0:56:52.760

feel free to hit me up on this I'll I'll

 

0:56:50.839,0:56:54.280

do the best I can sometimes it's hard to

 

0:56:52.760,0:56:57.440

explain like John and I was talking

 

0:56:54.280,0:56:59.760

about but uh I I'll do the best I can

 

0:56:57.440,0:57:01.440

John we appreciate you coming on here

 

0:56:59.760,0:57:02.880

buddy and just to wrap things up a

 

0:57:01.440,0:57:05.119

little bit when it comes to eall

 

0:57:02.880,0:57:06.720

placement if you're not you know if

 

0:57:05.119,0:57:10.559

you're not confident in what you're

 

0:57:06.720,0:57:12.319

doing uh again don't overthink it but be

 

0:57:10.559,0:57:13.880

mindful just kind of try to pay

 

0:57:12.319,0:57:15.440

attention to the win and work those

 

0:57:13.880,0:57:18.799

angles for your left and right right and

 

0:57:15.440,0:57:22.559

left cross winds um you know think about

 

0:57:18.799,0:57:25.200

trying to place a cow think more of not

 

0:57:22.559,0:57:27.000

just trying to call a cow up but think

 

0:57:25.200,0:57:28.760

you know this pretty much generalizes it

 

0:57:27.000,0:57:31.119

right here instead of just trying to

 

0:57:28.760,0:57:33.920

call a cow up with your call placement

 

0:57:31.119,0:57:36.280

think about placing a cow place it right

 

0:57:33.920,0:57:38.520

where you need it to be with your call

 

0:57:36.280,0:57:39.880

placement and uh I think everything will

 

0:57:38.520,0:57:41.599

work out just fine when you start

 

0:57:39.880,0:57:44.400

thinking of it that way don't overthink

 

0:57:41.599,0:57:46.559

it be mindful and start just worrying

 

0:57:44.400,0:57:49.640

about placing a cow instead of just

 

0:57:46.559,0:57:52.520

calling one up exactly that work for you

 

0:57:49.640,0:57:54.039

I think so guys we appreciate you guys

 

0:57:52.520,0:57:55.400

coming on we hope you enjoyed this

 

0:57:54.039,0:57:59.440

episode and we hope you join us again

 

0:57:55.400,0:57:59.440

right here on the fox Pro podcast