The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 57: Family Bust Up with Torry Cook

Episode Summary

Jon Collins from FOXPRO and Torry Cook from MFK discuss the breakdown of coyote family bust up and share the most effective calling sequences to use during this period.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls family bust

 

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up that's what's happening now and

 

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that's our topic for this episode of the

 

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fox Pro podcast I'm John Collins along

 

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with Tory cook of mfk game calls how's

 

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it going Tori oh we're making it down

 

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here how about y'all ah yeah trying to

 

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trying to make it anyway V toor was

 

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talking before we hit record here we uh

 

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he's slipping in

 

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bow season archery hunt mode for white

 

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tail deer and I'm already in it I've

 

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been out a few times been uh banging my

 

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head off wall for one certain Buck but

 

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hopefully I hopefully I catch up for him

 

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uh with him for too long for you got a

 

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you got a particular deer in mind or you

 

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just winging it at this moment I'm sure

 

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you've done some Scout yeah oh yeah I

 

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start in June on deer that's my bow

 

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hunting deer specific deer I don't care

 

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anything about deer hunting in general

 

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but I do like to Target spefic spefic

 

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deer and find something I want

 

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especially if I've had him you know in

 

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years past and I've got a I've been

 

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looking all summer I got a handful of

 

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deer that depends on which one I'm walk

 

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by me first but right got a handful of

 

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them that I'll slang air through if they

 

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give me the chance some of them are are

 

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big ones you know good deer that I

 

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didn't know anything about and some of

 

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them are deer that I've got you know two

 

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or three years or some longer history

 

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with that may not have as big a set of

 

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horns as some some of the bigger ones

 

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but that story line behind them get and

 

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all pretty decent deer just uh just

 

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trying to cross paths with them you know

 

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I'm I'm the same way you know I'm kind

 

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of stuck on one Buck right now but you

 

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know I'm kind of just a sucker I just

 

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want to kill a you know everybody wants

 

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to kill a 200 inch deer you know but uh

 

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it's not all about that with me I like

 

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killing just big brute mature

 

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bucks you know I don't care if he scores

 

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130 or 230 if I have a big old mature

 

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older Buck come by he's probably going

 

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to get an arrow through his lungs and

 

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I've got a sixy old nine point down to

 

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my dad's place we've had he's grazed up

 

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right there had him every single year

 

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and uh he's always looked he's always

 

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been an eight-point ever since twoy old

 

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all the way through five year old and

 

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then this year some reason he grew a a

 

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ninth point there at the end of his beam

 

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but I sure hope to catch up with him but

 

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just like I was telling you

 

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earlier that's that's what I've got my

 

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heart set on until a a different mature

 

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Buck walks in front of me before he gets

 

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there that bu's b to get it

 

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so I

 

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understand well toy we're here you know

 

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that's enough of the deer hunting even

 

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though we're both chomping at to bid bit

 

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for it we're uh we're here to talk about

 

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coyes and uh there's a huge transition

 

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that happens every single year in the

 

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coyote family groups during the same

 

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time frame year after year after year

 

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and that's what we call Family bust up

 

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Tori can you or will you please define

 

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the term family bust up for

 

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us yeah and it's a it's a fairly new

 

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term it's something I started using a

 

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few years ago based on not only hunting

 

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but raising coats and prior to that the

 

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term that everybody heard and a lot of

 

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people are familiar with and they are

 

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not the same and I'll Define both of

 

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them was put P dispersal everything you

 

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read about everything you heard about

 

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was pup dispersal well as I hunted coats

 

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and raised coats I realized that pup

 

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dispersal which means pup dispersal

 

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means when a coow pup gets to a certain

 

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age they leave the family group leave

 

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the home range the home territory and go

 

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out on their own and become transients

 

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and are looking for a home range of

 

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their own that's what dispersal means

 

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that they actually disperse and leave

 

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that home home range and that Family

 

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Group Well I realized that's pretty

 

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specific and that was what was labeled

 

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for this time of year was pup dispersal

 

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time frame well I realized that that

 

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really doesn't take place like that pup

 

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dispersal is a long drawn out deal and

 

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sometimes may take up to two years

 

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before some of those pups actually leave

 

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the home range a better term for it and

 

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what I started calling family bust up

 

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and a different definition and what's

 

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actually taking place and what takes

 

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place

 

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everywhere prior to dispersal for a

 

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particular pup is what we call Family

 

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bust up which is that family group is

 

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tight knit during the dening pup rearing

 

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time frame they get to this stage those

 

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pups they they shed those baby teeth

 

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they put in their permanent teeth it's

 

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time for them to start basically

 

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functioning as adult coats when they hit

 

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that about five six month old age they

 

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start functioning as adults and what

 

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along with that is that bust up time

 

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frame and they start separating from the

 

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group those coats get they start getting

 

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kind of like a bachelor group of deer to

 

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where they just don't tolerate anymore

 

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tolerate each each other anymore and

 

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they'll start fighting and pushing each

 

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other out and they start separating but

 

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what differs from pup dispersal is

 

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during the family bust up time frame the

 

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family group is starting to get distance

 

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between them but all of those codes of

 

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that family group are still in the same

 

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home range that they've been in the

 

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whole time right and then over time over

 

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the course of a year or two some of

 

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those pups will actually disperse fairly

 

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quickly other ones will stay on you know

 

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for up to two years that's where a lot

 

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of times you'll see that

 

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hel helper Co that's typically a pup

 

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that has stayed on and a lot of times it

 

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may be

 

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According to some of these GPS studies

 

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and stuff that they've done College

 

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stuff those CS will stay on as long as

 

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two years yeah before they actually

 

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disperse from that family home range

 

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right so that's the difference between

 

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family bust up and pup dispersal and why

 

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I prefer the term family bust

 

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up because pup dispersal is is really

 

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doesn't even apply and you still see a

 

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lot of people using it but it it what it

 

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means and what's actually taking place

 

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is not accurate right well you know that

 

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was kind of brought on years ago and I

 

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remember when you first mentioned the

 

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term family bust up to me and and we got

 

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to talking about it I was like man it

 

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makes perfect sense and I've have since

 

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adopted it and of course you know tons

 

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and tons and tons of other people have

 

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as well and it's just accurate I mean

 

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it's just kind of common sense when you

 

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really get to breaking it down like you

 

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just did and that's one this time this

 

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time frame is so can be so Dynamite uh

 

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and we call it family bust up instead of

 

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dispersal because like right now October

 

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1st you start calling it's just a

 

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perfect time to call in multiple coyotes

 

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and a lot of times they'll come you

 

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might call in uh triples quads Quint

 

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even more coyotes and they'll come from

 

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two sometimes they'll all come from the

 

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same direction but a lot of times

 

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they're coming from Two and sometimes

 

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three and four different directions and

 

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all meeting up at you know just one

 

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after another or at the same time and if

 

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those all those coyotes were dispersed

 

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out you wouldn't be calling in those big

 

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family groups because if they're

 

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dispersed out they're not in the same

 

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range anymore so just bust it up you

 

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know out there just you know kind of

 

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trying to live their lives on their own

 

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but they're still still within earshot

 

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of each other and I think it's it's a

 

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it's definitely an accurate term and I

 

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think it's here to stay that's for sure

 

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yeah and something else about it that's

 

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neat and why this family bust up time

 

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frame is my favorite time I know it's

 

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one of your a lot of people love this

 

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time frame especially once they figure

 

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out how many coachs you can call in you

 

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know on on one stand but it's a slow

 

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process and that's what I that's what I

 

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love about the family bust up time frame

 

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is you've got these coats that are in

 

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that tight-knit family group and then as

 

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the bust up time frame which kind of

 

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starts I say that family bust up just to

 

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put a time frame on it I say it begins

 

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roughly late August that's when you

 

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start seeing some family bust up stuff

 

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happening you start getting a little

 

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separation you go out and you hear CO's

 

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how and they're not all right there

 

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together they're spaced out not only are

 

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the adults spaced out but those pups

 

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start getting distance between them but

 

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what the reason I say it's a slow

 

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process is because they're starting to

 

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get to where they don't tolerate each

 

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other and they're going out on their own

 

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a little bit but they're still coming

 

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back together and you'll steal that's

 

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why the calling works so good because

 

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they're separated they're busted up we

 

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can go in there and call and because

 

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they're still doing it as part of the

 

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bust up time frame they're coming back

 

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together for short periods of time and

 

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then as the bust up process continues

 

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they start spending a little more time

 

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apart and they start getting farther

 

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away from each other so but that goes on

 

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through I would say I would say bust up

 

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is just to make it easy for people

 

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August through October yep that's pretty

 

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much your family that's the that's the

 

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core like Peak part of your family bust

 

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up time frame and when you can really

 

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take advantage with your calling of

 

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going in there and those coats being

 

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busted up but still being in hearing

 

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distance like you said and calling in

 

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you know multiple coats and having some

 

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of the stands like we've seen on on

 

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Facebook you posted them I've posted

 

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them multiple people have posted I mean

 

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a pile of people have posted you know

 

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four or five even you know five six

 

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coats yeah uh and you see a lot of

 

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triples and and quads and stuff like

 

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that so you can you can thump them

 

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during that time frame dang right and

 

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just with that bust up U one of the best

 

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things about it is say let's take

 

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killing a quint for instance if you call

 

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in all five coyotes all at one time and

 

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you're trying to handle them a lot of

 

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times that's pretty tough now a lot of

 

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times you can call some of those coyotes

 

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back in you can get some of them stopped

 

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for your second third fourth and fifth

 

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shots but when you can get those kyos

 

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just come staggering in single file line

 

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one after another you shoot one boom

 

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dead call another n call another n call

 

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another n they're so much easier to

 

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handle when they're coming in coming in

 

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staggered like that instead of one big

 

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solid wave of coyes yeah yeah that's

 

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that is the best part about it and one

 

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of the things that I think some people

 

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make a mistake on is they go in they sat

 

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down and they may leave Couts because

 

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they call up one kill it or call in a

 

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you know a couple of Cs and they may get

 

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both of them and they think the stand is

 

0:11:18.079,0:11:22.600

done well during the F family bust up

 

0:11:20.680,0:11:25.240

time frame you're just getting started a

 

0:11:22.600,0:11:27.880

lot of times those are just the first of

 

0:11:25.240,0:11:29.839

multiple coats that you could

 

0:11:27.880,0:11:31.399

potentially call in on one

 

0:11:29.839,0:11:33.920

yeah and that's one of my biggest tips

 

0:11:31.399,0:11:35.720

for this for this time of year is

 

0:11:33.920,0:11:38.240

exactly what you just said if you call

 

0:11:35.720,0:11:40.440

in a coyote or coyot and you kill them

 

0:11:38.240,0:11:43.040

in the first few minutes of your stand

 

0:11:40.440,0:11:45.000

still make a fulllength stand call it

 

0:11:43.040,0:11:46.360

call it all the way out to that 15 or 20

 

0:11:45.000,0:11:48.880

minute Mark or whatever you're want to

 

0:11:46.360,0:11:50.760

make because you're liable to kill more

 

0:11:48.880,0:11:52.920

coyot later in the stand that just

 

0:11:50.760,0:11:55.040

haven't got there yet that's still part

 

0:11:52.920,0:11:57.440

of that what was a family group is kind

 

0:11:55.040,0:12:00.160

of busted up now so yeah you if you call

 

0:11:57.440,0:12:01.880

in a coyote early during this time frame

 

0:12:00.160,0:12:04.399

keep calling because you're liable to

 

0:12:01.880,0:12:07.519

call in more that's for sure 100% for

 

0:12:04.399,0:12:11.240

sure and U speaking of that you know

 

0:12:07.519,0:12:13.560

once family bust up occurs which it has

 

0:12:11.240,0:12:15.760

now all of our coyotes that are out

 

0:12:13.560,0:12:18.120

there are callable all of them will come

 

0:12:15.760,0:12:20.800

to a call but there's definitely you

 

0:12:18.120,0:12:22.680

know definitely certain sounds that are

 

0:12:20.800,0:12:25.240

you know just absolute money for this

 

0:12:22.680,0:12:28.360

time frame like your lone pup house your

 

0:12:25.240,0:12:30.000

your social sounds uh your older age

 

0:12:28.360,0:12:33.800

class pup fights which you talk a lot

 

0:12:30.000,0:12:36.079

about all those are extremely effective

 

0:12:33.800,0:12:38.399

for this uh this time frame so I want to

 

0:12:36.079,0:12:40.160

talk about those a little bit what do

 

0:12:38.399,0:12:42.000

you can what do you think are like some

 

0:12:40.160,0:12:43.880

great examples of some of like some of

 

0:12:42.000,0:12:46.199

your favorite puff house I guess I

 

0:12:43.880,0:12:49.160

should say Tory cook for this uh this

 

0:12:46.199,0:12:50.720

time frame family bust up I've got

 

0:12:49.160,0:12:52.760

several of them that I use and I'll

 

0:12:50.720,0:12:55.240

throw out a couple of examples of of

 

0:12:52.760,0:12:57.160

some of the older ones that I have

 

0:12:55.240,0:13:00.000

always liked and still use and that

 

0:12:57.160,0:13:02.519

would be the BAM puy

 

0:13:00.000,0:13:04.760

the little be whimper pup house I know

 

0:13:02.519,0:13:07.240

that's probably Al's favorite one of the

 

0:13:04.760,0:13:09.839

mon heard him talk about it a bunch and

 

0:13:07.240,0:13:13.279

you as well other people uh and then

 

0:13:09.839,0:13:16.040

probably one of my favorites I I like

 

0:13:13.279,0:13:18.800

bam and little be and then I like I

 

0:13:16.040,0:13:20.720

really like bougie whiny pup house

 

0:13:18.800,0:13:23.279

that's one of my all-time favorite pup

 

0:13:20.720,0:13:27.399

house uh from some of the

 

0:13:23.279,0:13:30.079

older uh mfk gos and then some new ones

 

0:13:27.399,0:13:32.560

that I've pretty much used exclusively

 

0:13:30.079,0:13:37.160

this summer are some of the houss from

 

0:13:32.560,0:13:39.560

bhead Dempsey hoodlum Fireball got a lot

 

0:13:37.160,0:13:41.920

of P house from from those and they've

 

0:13:39.560,0:13:44.199

been I mean they've been really good

 

0:13:41.920,0:13:48.279

that's about all I've used here lately

 

0:13:44.199,0:13:51.560

so any of those piles with those names

 

0:13:48.279,0:13:53.680

attached to them are good stuff yeah I

 

0:13:51.560,0:13:56.279

haven't used little Heathen little

 

0:13:53.680,0:13:58.320

Heathen and uh and flip flop or a couple

 

0:13:56.279,0:13:59.680

of other ones that I haven't used as

 

0:13:58.320,0:14:01.920

much yet

 

0:13:59.680,0:14:05.639

but I guarantee they're GNA be just as

 

0:14:01.920,0:14:07.800

good and that's all you know just gives

 

0:14:05.639,0:14:10.079

people a good variety and then I know

 

0:14:07.800,0:14:15.279

there's a couple of uh couple of the fox

 

0:14:10.079,0:14:17.800

Pro what's that is it C5 young yeah C5

 

0:14:15.279,0:14:19.560

young KY house is know is a pup house

 

0:14:17.800,0:14:21.720

and it's been a main stay for the last

 

0:14:19.560,0:14:23.959

several years and it's it's absolute

 

0:14:21.720,0:14:25.519

money one of the great things about the

 

0:14:23.959,0:14:28.480

pup house and to speak to some of your

 

0:14:25.519,0:14:31.920

newer sounds there uh Tori I've used uh

 

0:14:28.480,0:14:33.800

Dempsey and bhead quite a bit this year

 

0:14:31.920,0:14:36.040

I haven't had a chance any use the newer

 

0:14:33.800,0:14:38.320

pups but those have been excellent

 

0:14:36.040,0:14:40.240

getting vocal responses and what I'm

 

0:14:38.320,0:14:42.600

fixing to say here another great thing

 

0:14:40.240,0:14:45.079

about these pup house is when you let

 

0:14:42.600,0:14:47.880

those pup house out usually you've

 

0:14:45.079,0:14:50.440

already got coyes on your feet coming to

 

0:14:47.880,0:14:52.440

you these pup house are excellent for

 

0:14:50.440,0:14:54.240

this time frame for these coyes just to

 

0:14:52.440,0:14:56.519

get on their feet or already on their

 

0:14:54.240,0:14:59.279

feet and start running right to the to

 

0:14:56.519,0:15:02.240

the fox Pro uh that's one of the big

 

0:14:59.279,0:15:04.639

things about uh pup house this time of

 

0:15:02.240,0:15:06.360

year and another thing I think a lot of

 

0:15:04.639,0:15:08.440

times when you go right into your next

 

0:15:06.360,0:15:10.240

sound uh you probably already got

 

0:15:08.440,0:15:11.720

coyotes coming you know they're actually

 

0:15:10.240,0:15:13.040

coming to the pup house and your neck

 

0:15:11.720,0:15:15.680

sounds are just steering them on

 

0:15:13.040,0:15:17.759

steering them the rest the way in right

 

0:15:15.680,0:15:20.079

and you took I mean what you just said

 

0:15:17.759,0:15:23.000

was GNA be the very next thing I

 

0:15:20.079,0:15:25.320

followed with about pup house using

 

0:15:23.000,0:15:28.279

piles a lot of times coats will vocalize

 

0:15:25.320,0:15:30.680

to piles but where piles really shine is

 

0:15:28.279,0:15:33.639

exactly what you said they are excellent

 

0:15:30.680,0:15:35.440

for calling coats in I mean getting a

 

0:15:33.639,0:15:37.480

you play pup house and like you said

 

0:15:35.440,0:15:40.800

they will come to it while the house are

 

0:15:37.480,0:15:42.759

playing and I still use a lot of adult

 

0:15:40.800,0:15:45.079

lone house just because I think you get

 

0:15:42.759,0:15:47.720

a slightly better vocal response to

 

0:15:45.079,0:15:51.440

those longer drawn out at D tiles yes

 

0:15:47.720,0:15:53.160

but I'm using those more as a that's

 

0:15:51.440,0:15:55.199

kind of what I'm using it for trying to

 

0:15:53.160,0:15:57.480

get a vocal response and then when I go

 

0:15:55.199,0:15:59.360

to those pupils and a lot of times I

 

0:15:57.480,0:16:02.440

start with the pupils because I already

 

0:15:59.360,0:16:04.639

know the coach are there but then a lot

 

0:16:02.440,0:16:08.480

of times they do get a vocal response

 

0:16:04.639,0:16:12.600

but they really Shine for calling C in

 

0:16:08.480,0:16:14.519

yes no no doubt we actually gotta uh

 

0:16:12.600,0:16:16.959

it'll be out here pretty quick actually

 

0:16:14.519,0:16:19.839

gotta stand I filmed right here at home

 

0:16:16.959,0:16:21.560

and I've actually I was self filming and

 

0:16:19.839,0:16:24.800

it's just an example of how effective

 

0:16:21.560,0:16:28.519

pup house are I let out a set of house

 

0:16:24.800,0:16:30.920

and had a lone coyote answer and he was

 

0:16:28.519,0:16:33.079

just like like within that range of I

 

0:16:30.920,0:16:34.759

think he's close enough that he'll come

 

0:16:33.079,0:16:36.440

and and then you also got that second

 

0:16:34.759,0:16:38.199

thought in the back of your mind like

 

0:16:36.440,0:16:39.680

should I grab my stuff and move real

 

0:16:38.199,0:16:41.720

quick you know that's that's where he

 

0:16:39.680,0:16:43.920

was just right there on that Fringe and

 

0:16:41.720,0:16:45.160

but I decided I said you know I'm just

 

0:16:43.920,0:16:47.079

going I'm going to wait it out I think

 

0:16:45.160,0:16:49.959

he's close enough so I I was self

 

0:16:47.079,0:16:52.399

filming I take my my camera and I zoom

 

0:16:49.959,0:16:54.519

it in on x24 I always like to to film

 

0:16:52.399,0:16:57.959

like a close up the x24 or some kind of

 

0:16:54.519,0:17:01.519

sound running and I zoom it in there hit

 

0:16:57.959,0:17:03.639

another puff and as that puff House's

 

0:17:01.519,0:17:05.360

ringing out it's about halfway through

 

0:17:03.639,0:17:08.600

its sequence I look over to the right

 

0:17:05.360,0:17:10.439

and that coyote is there or or another

 

0:17:08.600,0:17:13.199

coyote anyway I had called a coyote out

 

0:17:10.439,0:17:15.160

and it was coming to the house and I

 

0:17:13.199,0:17:16.720

didn't have to play another sound I bust

 

0:17:15.160,0:17:18.600

that c right there where he stood out

 

0:17:16.720,0:17:22.000

there staring at the

 

0:17:18.600,0:17:24.120

x24 yeah yeah that's that is you got to

 

0:17:22.000,0:17:26.199

be ready when you play those pupil and I

 

0:17:24.120,0:17:28.280

made a post today and I know we'll get

 

0:17:26.199,0:17:30.720

into some of the other sounds that go

 

0:17:28.280,0:17:33.280

right along with this podcast but I made

 

0:17:30.720,0:17:36.960

a post today and I was hunting with a a

 

0:17:33.280,0:17:39.120

boy and I think we called up 14 Cs on

 

0:17:36.960,0:17:41.919

just a few stands awesome and they were

 

0:17:39.120,0:17:44.160

coming in you know sometimes two or

 

0:17:41.919,0:17:46.720

three together sometimes just one but

 

0:17:44.160,0:17:49.480

you know it was just random a variety of

 

0:17:46.720,0:17:51.480

coats coming in at different time frames

 

0:17:49.480,0:17:53.799

and coming into multiple signs we would

 

0:17:51.480,0:17:55.919

have coats come in on the pup house and

 

0:17:53.799,0:17:58.080

then when we would swap to social sound

 

0:17:55.919,0:18:00.960

we'd get another code in and then to pup

 

0:17:58.080,0:18:03.320

fights and get another other C in so all

 

0:18:00.960,0:18:04.760

of those sounds starting with the p

 

0:18:03.320,0:18:06.799

house and then just going right on

 

0:18:04.760,0:18:08.840

through that sequence it's one of the

 

0:18:06.799,0:18:12.760

things about another thing about Family

 

0:18:08.840,0:18:16.559

bust Stu you can you can trigger coats

 

0:18:12.760,0:18:18.919

throughout the stand on multiple sounds

 

0:18:16.559,0:18:22.200

so you have several different sounds

 

0:18:18.919,0:18:25.000

that are that are working and triggering

 

0:18:22.200,0:18:27.039

different members of that family group

 

0:18:25.000,0:18:29.200

and I don't know for sure why but I

 

0:18:27.039,0:18:31.559

think part of it probably has to do with

 

0:18:29.200,0:18:34.000

Peck and Order especially during that

 

0:18:31.559,0:18:36.760

family bust up time frame as to why

 

0:18:34.000,0:18:39.159

you'll have one coow or two Coots come

 

0:18:36.760,0:18:40.679

running in on the pup house and the rest

 

0:18:39.159,0:18:42.120

of them don't come running in but

 

0:18:40.679,0:18:44.120

they're still part of that family group

 

0:18:42.120,0:18:45.720

and then you swap to a social sound and

 

0:18:44.120,0:18:47.520

you pull another one and before long

 

0:18:45.720,0:18:49.559

you've killed that entire family group

 

0:18:47.520,0:18:50.960

if you uh if you play everything just

 

0:18:49.559,0:18:52.880

right right well let's talk let's talk

 

0:18:50.960,0:18:54.799

about the social sounds Tor as actually

 

0:18:52.880,0:18:57.240

the next thing I was going to mention

 

0:18:54.799,0:18:59.480

because I really think that this is you

 

0:18:57.240,0:19:01.760

know social sounds work year

 

0:18:59.480,0:19:03.760

uh they usually always have a place

 

0:19:01.760,0:19:06.400

somewhere in my sequence throughout the

 

0:19:03.760,0:19:08.000

year but I think I really personally

 

0:19:06.400,0:19:09.400

think it's probably because I've had the

 

0:19:08.000,0:19:11.320

most success off of them during this

 

0:19:09.400,0:19:13.880

time frame I think they really shine

 

0:19:11.320,0:19:17.200

during the family bust up um like

 

0:19:13.880,0:19:20.559

submissive beggar submissive Tapout

 

0:19:17.200,0:19:24.480

um KY female submissive from Fox Pro all

 

0:19:20.559,0:19:27.280

those submissive wines from mfk

 

0:19:24.480,0:19:29.440

um there's so many I can't think of

 

0:19:27.280,0:19:31.880

greting greeting

 

0:19:29.440,0:19:33.440

new sound from last year so awesome talk

 

0:19:31.880,0:19:36.039

about those a little bit why they're so

 

0:19:33.440,0:19:38.360

effective this time of year I think it's

 

0:19:36.039,0:19:40.559

because this is when social interaction

 

0:19:38.360,0:19:43.400

sounds just like you mentioned you have

 

0:19:40.559,0:19:46.799

so much success from it because this is

 

0:19:43.400,0:19:49.280

when the codes are the most social and

 

0:19:46.799,0:19:50.880

you get a lot of those sounds like all

 

0:19:49.280,0:19:53.799

those submissive sounds all the sounds

 

0:19:50.880,0:19:56.159

we just covered you get a lot of those

 

0:19:53.799,0:19:58.440

type sounds happen in deeran family bust

 

0:19:56.159,0:19:59.960

up because you have these coats separate

 

0:19:58.440,0:20:01.320

and and they come back together and then

 

0:19:59.960,0:20:02.840

they separate and they come back

 

0:20:01.320,0:20:05.360

together well every time that they

 

0:20:02.840,0:20:08.320

separate and then come back together

 

0:20:05.360,0:20:11.159

that meet and greet takes place and that

 

0:20:08.320,0:20:13.520

initial meet and greet is when the bulk

 

0:20:11.159,0:20:16.000

of those social interaction sounds that

 

0:20:13.520,0:20:18.480

we just talked about that's when they

 

0:20:16.000,0:20:21.400

happen so you've got that just happening

 

0:20:18.480,0:20:23.720

all the time amongst that family group

 

0:20:21.400,0:20:25.840

of coats that's busting up then coming

 

0:20:23.720,0:20:29.120

back together and busting up again just

 

0:20:25.840,0:20:32.720

a constant communication with social

 

0:20:29.120,0:20:34.200

sounds and I think what happens and you

 

0:20:32.720,0:20:37.520

see this when you're hunting and then I

 

0:20:34.200,0:20:39.760

see it you know when my CS being free

 

0:20:37.520,0:20:41.080

range they bust up and come back

 

0:20:39.760,0:20:43.840

together so I get to see that

 

0:20:41.080,0:20:46.480

interaction take place and a lot of

 

0:20:43.840,0:20:48.320

times when you have two cows that come

 

0:20:46.480,0:20:50.600

back together and you've got another one

 

0:20:48.320,0:20:53.240

that's busted up he's over here a 100

 

0:20:50.600,0:20:55.760

yards away 200 yards away whatever and

 

0:20:53.240,0:20:59.320

he hears this social interaction taking

 

0:20:55.760,0:21:00.720

place amongst you know they're they've

 

0:20:59.320,0:21:02.080

been part of this family group this

 

0:21:00.720,0:21:04.880

whole time they hear those social

 

0:21:02.080,0:21:07.000

interaction sounds take place they come

 

0:21:04.880,0:21:09.760

running in to check it out too and I

 

0:21:07.000,0:21:11.640

think that's why they are so effective

 

0:21:09.760,0:21:14.840

during the family bust up time frame

 

0:21:11.640,0:21:17.640

because it's happening during that coach

 

0:21:14.840,0:21:20.360

life every day multiple times throughout

 

0:21:17.640,0:21:23.679

the day as this family bust up process

 

0:21:20.360,0:21:26.960

takes place over a you know a three

 

0:21:23.679,0:21:29.840

month period or longer so it's a you

 

0:21:26.960,0:21:32.559

just you can't be using those sounds

 

0:21:29.840,0:21:34.320

that are such a big part of their daily

 

0:21:32.559,0:21:36.240

life and their behavior during this time

 

0:21:34.320,0:21:38.200

of the year what about how many

 

0:21:36.240,0:21:40.360

different social sounds will you play on

 

0:21:38.200,0:21:42.440

a particular stand through family bust

 

0:21:40.360,0:21:44.919

up you talking about just one two three

 

0:21:42.440,0:21:48.679

how many different two I'm I'm usually

 

0:21:44.919,0:21:51.080

running two or three uh yeah here lately

 

0:21:48.679,0:21:53.320

the stuff I've ran has been greeting

 

0:21:51.080,0:21:56.440

wines yep I mean greeting wines has just

 

0:21:53.320,0:21:59.080

been fire for me the the last several

 

0:21:56.440,0:22:03.039

times I've been out and then uh

 

0:21:59.080,0:22:05.480

of course my my just Old Faithful sessi

 

0:22:03.039,0:22:08.080

beggar you I'm gonna mix some missive

 

0:22:05.480,0:22:11.400

beggar in on most STS because it's just

 

0:22:08.080,0:22:13.480

been so good uh submissive tap out like

 

0:22:11.400,0:22:14.960

you mentioned but usually I'll play two

 

0:22:13.480,0:22:17.480

or three of those and I don't play them

 

0:22:14.960,0:22:19.640

for you know a real long time couple

 

0:22:17.480,0:22:22.120

couple minutes two three minutes and a

 

0:22:19.640,0:22:24.400

lot of times I'm actually pausing those

 

0:22:22.120,0:22:26.360

especially a sound like greeting ones

 

0:22:24.400,0:22:27.919

where it's got some natural breaks in it

 

0:22:26.360,0:22:32.279

I'll pause it you know I'll let that

 

0:22:27.919,0:22:34.080

sound play out um you know two or three

 

0:22:32.279,0:22:36.200

little short sequences and then I'll

 

0:22:34.080,0:22:39.240

pause it for a second yeah and then I'll

 

0:22:36.200,0:22:41.600

kick it back on you know I'm not waiting

 

0:22:39.240,0:22:44.120

a long time you know 15 20 30 seconds

 

0:22:41.600,0:22:46.760

I'll kick it back on and have a lot of

 

0:22:44.120,0:22:49.279

Co come and when they come man they're

 

0:22:46.760,0:22:51.200

usually coming hard right right they

 

0:22:49.279,0:22:52.760

like those social they're they're

 

0:22:51.200,0:22:55.360

confident most of the time when they're

 

0:22:52.760,0:22:58.919

coming to a social sound they're coming

 

0:22:55.360,0:23:01.799

pretty hard and one of one of thing I

 

0:22:58.919,0:23:05.480

want to mention I talked about you know

 

0:23:01.799,0:23:07.120

recording these family bust up sounds

 

0:23:05.480,0:23:09.360

and I see other people you know

 

0:23:07.120,0:23:11.240

advertising their P dispersal or their

 

0:23:09.360,0:23:12.960

family bust up sounds and stuff like

 

0:23:11.240,0:23:15.000

that there's only one place to get

 

0:23:12.960,0:23:17.799

family bust up sounds in the wild and

 

0:23:15.000,0:23:20.720

that's and they can't they can't bust up

 

0:23:17.799,0:23:23.080

in a pen can't that's what I was I want

 

0:23:20.720,0:23:25.480

people to be aware of this I want use

 

0:23:23.080,0:23:30.000

common sense this is not me trying to

 

0:23:25.480,0:23:32.640

knock put a lot of you said common sense

 

0:23:30.000,0:23:36.919

yeah you if you get animals in a zoo or

 

0:23:32.640,0:23:39.679

in a cage cannot if they're in a cage

 

0:23:36.919,0:23:42.480

that pup dispersal family bust up

 

0:23:39.679,0:23:45.799

whatever term they want to use it does

 

0:23:42.480,0:23:47.799

not happen and you can separate them and

 

0:23:45.799,0:23:51.000

put them in two separate cages but the

 

0:23:47.799,0:23:54.400

behavior that takes place during family

 

0:23:51.000,0:23:59.799

bust up that causes family bust up

 

0:23:54.400,0:24:02.200

related sounds only happens on pre range

 

0:23:59.799,0:24:04.840

wild acting CS they have to be able to

 

0:24:02.200,0:24:08.559

bust up to create that Dynamic to create

 

0:24:04.840,0:24:10.240

that behavior and to create a scenario

 

0:24:08.559,0:24:12.159

that all of these sounds we're talking

 

0:24:10.240,0:24:14.440

about associated with family bust up

 

0:24:12.159,0:24:17.440

take place and you if you want those

 

0:24:14.440,0:24:19.279

sounds you have to get them from mfk and

 

0:24:17.440,0:24:22.240

play them on a fox Pro that's the only

 

0:24:19.279,0:24:24.120

place you're getting them and I mean

 

0:24:22.240,0:24:26.399

that's just the truth and I think people

 

0:24:24.120,0:24:28.399

should know that I get a I get a little

 

0:24:26.399,0:24:30.399

bit aggravated over some of the false

 

0:24:28.399,0:24:33.039

advertising that I see right but you

 

0:24:30.399,0:24:36.600

don't have family bust up sounds taking

 

0:24:33.039,0:24:38.840

place in a cage can't can't bust well I

 

0:24:36.600,0:24:42.279

mean it's just common sense if they in a

 

0:24:38.840,0:24:44.360

cage and you can say whatever size it is

 

0:24:42.279,0:24:47.720

they can't if it's a group of coyes and

 

0:24:44.360,0:24:50.399

one little cage they can't bust up or

 

0:24:47.720,0:24:54.120

disperse they can only go 5 foot

 

0:24:50.399,0:24:56.080

oret it's just Comm completely that that

 

0:24:54.120,0:24:59.399

behavior that is recorded from cage

 

0:24:56.080,0:25:01.200

coats is the same behavior all year long

 

0:24:59.399,0:25:03.159

you can put labels on it and and of

 

0:25:01.200,0:25:04.960

course everybody does and I'm not saying

 

0:25:03.159,0:25:06.919

that those sounds won't call up codes

 

0:25:04.960,0:25:09.200

I'm not I tell people the truth you can

 

0:25:06.919,0:25:12.559

call coats with sounds recorded from

 

0:25:09.200,0:25:17.399

pinned caged coats everybody knows that

 

0:25:12.559,0:25:19.440

but you you cannot label those sounds to

 

0:25:17.399,0:25:21.360

certain things that happens in a CO's

 

0:25:19.440,0:25:24.120

life that's

 

0:25:21.360,0:25:26.320

impossible to take place if you know if

 

0:25:24.120,0:25:29.480

the cow is pinned or caged it just can't

 

0:25:26.320,0:25:31.840

happen so that that is stuff that people

 

0:25:29.480,0:25:34.240

need to know when they're looking for

 

0:25:31.840,0:25:37.200

you know if they want certain sounds

 

0:25:34.240,0:25:39.159

that apply to certain times of the year

 

0:25:37.200,0:25:41.760

you you need to know what's what's

 

0:25:39.159,0:25:44.760

available and what's not for sure for

 

0:25:41.760,0:25:47.200

sure I tell you and you you can tell us

 

0:25:44.760,0:25:49.080

this firsthand I'd say one of the next

 

0:25:47.200,0:25:52.559

thing that happens a lot once these

 

0:25:49.080,0:25:54.960

yearling coyotes come back together and

 

0:25:52.559,0:25:56.840

they're they're going through their uh

 

0:25:54.960,0:25:58.760

you know social interactions their

 

0:25:56.840,0:26:01.120

social sounds sometimes gets a little

 

0:25:58.760,0:26:02.840

rough and then it turns into a fight

 

0:26:01.120,0:26:05.720

doesn't it yeah you want to talk about

 

0:26:02.840,0:26:08.919

the pup fights a little bit well again

 

0:26:05.720,0:26:11.240

you know with the family bust up time

 

0:26:08.919,0:26:15.320

frame and and us talking about it being

 

0:26:11.240,0:26:17.919

a slow process they do just like turkeys

 

0:26:15.320,0:26:19.360

and and deer and other animals that

 

0:26:17.919,0:26:21.799

group up and then all of a sudden they

 

0:26:19.360,0:26:24.080

can't get along very well and before you

 

0:26:21.799,0:26:25.679

know it they don't tolerate each other

 

0:26:24.080,0:26:27.159

that's what happens with those cows

 

0:26:25.679,0:26:30.279

they're they're grouped up in a family

 

0:26:27.159,0:26:31.960

group and in the beginning they separate

 

0:26:30.279,0:26:33.399

for a short period of time they come

 

0:26:31.960,0:26:35.360

back together and they get along for a

 

0:26:33.399,0:26:37.720

little while but it's not very long

 

0:26:35.360,0:26:39.679

before they are at each other again and

 

0:26:37.720,0:26:43.440

you start getting your your pup fights

 

0:26:39.679,0:26:45.760

taking place and as family bust up

 

0:26:43.440,0:26:48.120

progresses the length of time that they

 

0:26:45.760,0:26:50.279

spend together before they get in a pup

 

0:26:48.120,0:26:51.760

fight gets shorter and shorter and

 

0:26:50.279,0:26:54.240

shorter so you start having more and

 

0:26:51.760,0:26:55.799

more pup fights as soon as they come you

 

0:26:54.240,0:26:58.240

know they meet and greet and they hang

 

0:26:55.799,0:26:59.520

out for a little while early on and then

 

0:26:58.240,0:27:00.840

before you know what they meet and greet

 

0:26:59.520,0:27:02.159

and before the meet and greets over with

 

0:27:00.840,0:27:03.480

they done gotten another fight or as

 

0:27:02.159,0:27:04.919

soon as they see each other they're

 

0:27:03.480,0:27:07.399

jumping on each other they can't even

 

0:27:04.919,0:27:09.320

get to the meet and greet part of it

 

0:27:07.399,0:27:12.480

they just can't tolerate any each other

 

0:27:09.320,0:27:15.360

anymore so again like we were talking

 

0:27:12.480,0:27:18.039

about earlier you got multiple sounds

 

0:27:15.360,0:27:19.799

that are just really good during the

 

0:27:18.039,0:27:22.960

family bust up depending on what stage

 

0:27:19.799,0:27:25.240

those CS are at and all of those sounds

 

0:27:22.960,0:27:27.440

are taking place in their life and so

 

0:27:25.240,0:27:30.919

you follow those social interaction

 

0:27:27.440,0:27:33.000

sounds with some of those pup fights and

 

0:27:30.919,0:27:35.159

look up and here comes another coow

 

0:27:33.000,0:27:38.559

after you've already killed two or

 

0:27:35.159,0:27:41.080

three hey it's stuff stuff happens and

 

0:27:38.559,0:27:43.159

uh you know people I've had people send

 

0:27:41.080,0:27:45.480

me messages say don't be humanizing

 

0:27:43.159,0:27:48.039

coyot or coyot you can't humanize them

 

0:27:45.480,0:27:50.360

guess what you can humanize them hey I

 

0:27:48.039,0:27:52.480

got my brother lives in Wyoming he just

 

0:27:50.360,0:27:55.159

came in and visited there a couple weeks

 

0:27:52.480,0:27:57.919

ago and guess what I picked him up at

 

0:27:55.159,0:28:00.480

airport we was socializing we was you

 

0:27:57.919,0:28:02.480

know shaking hands hugging good to see

 

0:28:00.480,0:28:05.120

you seeing you in a while before it was

 

0:28:02.480,0:28:07.519

over we were

 

0:28:05.120,0:28:09.760

fighting soal interactions turned into

 

0:28:07.519,0:28:13.440

fights before he headed back to

 

0:28:09.760,0:28:16.120

Wyoming yep that's exactly that's a good

 

0:28:13.440,0:28:18.159

way to compare it because that's exactly

 

0:28:16.120,0:28:20.640

what happens with them Co pups and just

 

0:28:18.159,0:28:23.600

the co family in general the the adults

 

0:28:20.640,0:28:26.320

don't tolerate the kids no more and the

 

0:28:23.600,0:28:29.159

kids can't tolerate each other so a

 

0:28:26.320,0:28:31.679

little bit all of it going on he another

 

0:28:29.159,0:28:33.440

another set of sounds and you don't guys

 

0:28:31.679,0:28:36.000

don't hear us you haven't heard us talk

 

0:28:33.440,0:28:39.679

about this these particular sounds and

 

0:28:36.000,0:28:41.399

in quite a while not all you know since

 

0:28:39.679,0:28:43.480

you know it's late spring through summer

 

0:28:41.399,0:28:44.960

we haven't mentioned much of this but uh

 

0:28:43.480,0:28:48.679

some other sounds that really start to

 

0:28:44.960,0:28:50.640

shine during this um Family bust up time

 

0:28:48.679,0:28:53.799

frame is when we start mixing in our

 

0:28:50.640,0:28:55.720

pray distress sounds uh this is like the

 

0:28:53.799,0:28:58.880

time of year when you first hear them

 

0:28:55.720,0:29:00.960

come out of my fox Pro call because you

 

0:28:58.880,0:29:03.279

now have because you know you can play

 

0:29:00.960,0:29:05.519

some of these rabbit sounds two months

 

0:29:03.279,0:29:07.120

ago and your pups probably aren't going

 

0:29:05.519,0:29:08.880

to come to them now you might have some

 

0:29:07.120,0:29:11.480

adults come to them but that's not watch

 

0:29:08.880,0:29:13.600

really really firing at the time but

 

0:29:11.480,0:29:16.159

right now you know there's there's less

 

0:29:13.600,0:29:18.039

prey out there now and plus all these

 

0:29:16.159,0:29:19.960

coyotes now have got their adult teeth

 

0:29:18.039,0:29:22.240

in they're all killers now so we're

 

0:29:19.960,0:29:24.960

going to start mixing in those rabbit

 

0:29:22.240,0:29:26.640

sounds those bird sounds raccoon

 

0:29:24.960,0:29:28.679

whatever you want to play your rodents

 

0:29:26.640,0:29:30.919

and stuff like that you want talk about

 

0:29:28.679,0:29:33.159

that a little bit Tor and tell us why

 

0:29:30.919,0:29:35.120

mixing in pray distress sounds now can

 

0:29:33.159,0:29:36.240

really add a little bit more to your to

 

0:29:35.120,0:29:39.360

your

 

0:29:36.240,0:29:41.960

sequence yeah it's a exactly what you

 

0:29:39.360,0:29:44.679

just said those those young coats have

 

0:29:41.960,0:29:46.799

those permanent teeth and to me that

 

0:29:44.679,0:29:49.240

signifies when they get those permanent

 

0:29:46.799,0:29:52.240

teeth in replace the baby teeth that

 

0:29:49.240,0:29:55.320

signifies the start of family bust up it

 

0:29:52.240,0:29:58.039

also is an indicator that it's time for

 

0:29:55.320,0:30:01.279

them to start hunting catching bending

 

0:29:58.039,0:30:03.640

for themselves acting as adults and so

 

0:30:01.279,0:30:05.279

you start seeing that happen you start

 

0:30:03.640,0:30:07.320

seeing them doing more hunting for

 

0:30:05.279,0:30:09.760

themselves they're not relying on those

 

0:30:07.320,0:30:13.120

adults bringing food back as much as

 

0:30:09.760,0:30:17.240

they were and as that family bust up

 

0:30:13.120,0:30:19.440

process goes on those pups start doing

 

0:30:17.240,0:30:21.799

more and more fending for themselves you

 

0:30:19.440,0:30:25.240

know gaining a little bit of experience

 

0:30:21.799,0:30:27.679

but they are still inexperienced as far

 

0:30:25.240,0:30:30.320

as catching stuff on their own so pray

 

0:30:27.679,0:30:32.080

to sounds really start playing a role

 

0:30:30.320,0:30:34.720

that's why people have heard us talk so

 

0:30:32.080,0:30:37.320

much about holding on to your pray

 

0:30:34.720,0:30:40.960

sounds until this time of the year and

 

0:30:37.320,0:30:42.919

it's for this reason you you can call

 

0:30:40.960,0:30:46.720

them up with other stuff that works

 

0:30:42.919,0:30:49.960

better save your praise sounds until it

 

0:30:46.720,0:30:52.480

they become you know kind of at the top

 

0:30:49.960,0:30:55.159

of some of your better sounds to use and

 

0:30:52.480,0:30:57.320

that starts happening you know

 

0:30:55.159,0:30:59.480

especially especially towards that tail

 

0:30:57.320,0:31:02.519

end of octo oober time frame into

 

0:30:59.480,0:31:05.600

November they really start shining in

 

0:31:02.519,0:31:07.919

because all of your coats are

 

0:31:05.600,0:31:10.320

functioning as individuals by that time

 

0:31:07.919,0:31:12.960

from by that time even your youngest pup

 

0:31:10.320,0:31:15.320

should be old enough to be fending for

 

0:31:12.960,0:31:19.720

themselves so pretty much your entire

 

0:31:15.320,0:31:22.440

population of goats are having to catch

 

0:31:19.720,0:31:25.360

and kill for themselves so your prey

 

0:31:22.440,0:31:28.480

distress sounds especially for those

 

0:31:25.360,0:31:31.440

younger inexperienced coats that's where

 

0:31:28.480,0:31:33.440

they really shine because you know they

 

0:31:31.440,0:31:34.639

they are learning the process so when

 

0:31:33.440,0:31:37.639

they hear something

 

0:31:34.639,0:31:39.639

hollering they they're looking for

 

0:31:37.639,0:31:41.679

something easy to gain a little bit of

 

0:31:39.639,0:31:45.840

experience so your bird sounds your

 

0:31:41.679,0:31:48.519

rabbit sounds just any a lot of a lot of

 

0:31:45.840,0:31:50.919

your popular prey sounds that's when

 

0:31:48.519,0:31:52.880

they Shine the most and like you said

 

0:31:50.919,0:31:55.440

you can use anything but you know your

 

0:31:52.880,0:31:58.279

birds and your rabbits your rodents all

 

0:31:55.440,0:32:02.720

that kind of stuff really start become a

 

0:31:58.279,0:32:05.360

part of a good sequence yes you know and

 

0:32:02.720,0:32:08.080

we we harp on this a lot on the in the

 

0:32:05.360,0:32:10.960

fox Pro podcast uh you know saving these

 

0:32:08.080,0:32:12.639

sounds and and not running much prey

 

0:32:10.960,0:32:15.000

distress through the spring and summer

 

0:32:12.639,0:32:16.720

months I just go ahead and tell you uh

 

0:32:15.000,0:32:20.480

well let me back up a little bit put it

 

0:32:16.720,0:32:24.960

this way there are many many many right

 

0:32:20.480,0:32:26.720

ways to call in a c and yes you can run

 

0:32:24.960,0:32:28.600

pray to stress you can run your rabbit

 

0:32:26.720,0:32:30.240

year round you can if you feel

 

0:32:28.600,0:32:33.840

comfortable with it and you're calling

 

0:32:30.240,0:32:36.480

coyotes don't shy away from it do it uh

 

0:32:33.840,0:32:37.880

but in in some of these areas these

 

0:32:36.480,0:32:40.000

places where you don't have as much

 

0:32:37.880,0:32:41.880

ground to hunt you don't have as many

 

0:32:40.000,0:32:43.639

coyotes all that type of stuff it can

 

0:32:41.880,0:32:45.840

really really pay off if you save some

 

0:32:43.639,0:32:49.120

of these sounds for different times of

 

0:32:45.840,0:32:51.399

year and just along with saying there's

 

0:32:49.120,0:32:53.880

many right ways to call in a coyot

 

0:32:51.399,0:32:55.559

there's also many many wrong ways to to

 

0:32:53.880,0:32:57.440

try to go about it and you'll see the

 

0:32:55.559,0:33:01.240

effects of it usually ain't very good

 

0:32:57.440,0:33:03.519

now like my CS that I hunt they have not

 

0:33:01.240,0:33:06.320

heard the first prey distress besides

 

0:33:03.519,0:33:08.279

for a random fwn distress here and there

 

0:33:06.320,0:33:11.799

since early

 

0:33:08.279,0:33:14.360

March right until now so all those prey

 

0:33:11.799,0:33:16.760

distress sounds are fresh about as fresh

 

0:33:14.360,0:33:18.320

as they get falling on Fresh ears and

 

0:33:16.760,0:33:20.799

they really shine right now you'll see

 

0:33:18.320,0:33:23.039

the difference if you haven't played a

 

0:33:20.799,0:33:24.679

rabbit sound since February or March and

 

0:33:23.039,0:33:26.960

then all a sudden October 1st you start

 

0:33:24.679,0:33:28.320

playing it well coyot will just trip

 

0:33:26.960,0:33:30.519

over theirselves trying to get to that

 

0:33:28.320,0:33:33.039

rabbit squalling it it makes a

 

0:33:30.519,0:33:36.159

difference yeah oh it there's no doubt

 

0:33:33.039,0:33:39.240

about it it definitely does and again we

 

0:33:36.159,0:33:42.639

already mentioned it it coincides with

 

0:33:39.240,0:33:46.080

when that is what's taking place for a

 

0:33:42.639,0:33:48.120

lot of those young Co they have not been

 

0:33:46.080,0:33:49.480

catching prey on their own they've a lot

 

0:33:48.120,0:33:51.159

of people think soon as they're born

 

0:33:49.480,0:33:54.600

they start going out hunting with the

 

0:33:51.159,0:33:56.639

adults and catching they don't they are

 

0:33:54.600,0:33:58.960

I mean I've documented this with a lot

 

0:33:56.639,0:34:01.559

of those all about Co videos following

 

0:33:58.960,0:34:03.919

these coats around free range and

 

0:34:01.559,0:34:05.279

watching what pups do when the adults

 

0:34:03.919,0:34:08.359

are not with them even after they're

 

0:34:05.279,0:34:11.599

three four months old do they catch an

 

0:34:08.359,0:34:13.079

occasional random you know sick mouse or

 

0:34:11.599,0:34:15.679

something that they come across it's

 

0:34:13.079,0:34:17.079

easy sure they and more often than not

 

0:34:15.679,0:34:20.079

they don't even know what to do with it

 

0:34:17.079,0:34:22.280

they play with it right you or don't

 

0:34:20.079,0:34:24.159

really know how to react to it but

 

0:34:22.280,0:34:27.839

they're foraging what they're doing is

 

0:34:24.159,0:34:30.200

foraging on berries and Grasshoppers and

 

0:34:27.839,0:34:33.000

grass and just whatever they can find to

 

0:34:30.200,0:34:35.159

eat it's not trying to get away while

 

0:34:33.000,0:34:38.440

waiting on those adults to bring

 

0:34:35.159,0:34:40.720

something back to them and those adults

 

0:34:38.440,0:34:42.679

are still doing all the catching the

 

0:34:40.720,0:34:44.560

killing the pups are not hearing this

 

0:34:42.679,0:34:46.320

they're not witnessing this they're not

 

0:34:44.560,0:34:48.520

going out with them and a lot of people

 

0:34:46.320,0:34:50.280

don't know that that is what's taking

 

0:34:48.520,0:34:52.919

place those pups are in a pup rearing

 

0:34:50.280,0:34:55.919

area and they're still being fed by the

 

0:34:52.919,0:34:58.480

adults until they shed those teeth at 5

 

0:34:55.919,0:35:01.040

six months old and then that process

 

0:34:58.480,0:35:04.400

starts which is where we're at right now

 

0:35:01.040,0:35:06.280

and why those prey distress sounds

 

0:35:04.400,0:35:08.520

really start to shine because they are

 

0:35:06.280,0:35:10.079

starting they do know what you know

 

0:35:08.520,0:35:11.520

after they shed those teeth all of a

 

0:35:10.079,0:35:13.320

sudden they are starting to hunt they

 

0:35:11.520,0:35:16.359

are starting to catch a little bit so

 

0:35:13.320,0:35:18.359

now they know what catching a bird

 

0:35:16.359,0:35:20.560

catching a rabbit a fawn whatever

 

0:35:18.359,0:35:22.079

they've seen these adults catch or that

 

0:35:20.560,0:35:24.640

they've been a part of because now

 

0:35:22.079,0:35:26.640

they're venturing out they know what it

 

0:35:24.640,0:35:28.040

is when they hear it so it triggers them

 

0:35:26.640,0:35:31.040

and they'll come running right into

 

0:35:28.040,0:35:32.839

those pray sounds good stuff good stuff

 

0:35:31.040,0:35:35.160

I got one question here for you because

 

0:35:32.839,0:35:38.160

I actually got this of the day and I

 

0:35:35.160,0:35:41.280

want to hear what your answer is um

 

0:35:38.160,0:35:46.040

during this family bust up time frame

 

0:35:41.280,0:35:47.440

how uh effective can locating coyotes be

 

0:35:46.040,0:35:49.400

especially for like you know of course

 

0:35:47.440,0:35:50.720

we know how effective it can be for for

 

0:35:49.400,0:35:52.119

nighttime hunting because if you hear

 

0:35:50.720,0:35:53.880

one how you can go on there and get to

 

0:35:52.119,0:35:55.480

call them but for for your daytime

 

0:35:53.880,0:35:58.520

callers that go out at night try to

 

0:35:55.480,0:36:01.240

locate Couts how how effective is

 

0:35:58.520,0:36:03.800

locating coyotes and being able to get a

 

0:36:01.240,0:36:06.319

game plan on them and go in the next few

 

0:36:03.800,0:36:08.119

days and try to get them killed is that

 

0:36:06.319,0:36:11.119

effective practice to use during this

 

0:36:08.119,0:36:13.920

time frame for family bust up yeah it's

 

0:36:11.119,0:36:15.960

it's still very effective you may have

 

0:36:13.920,0:36:18.560

to cover more ground because your vocal

 

0:36:15.960,0:36:21.280

stuff as groups bust up depending on how

 

0:36:18.560,0:36:24.800

far they bust up sometimes you your

 

0:36:21.280,0:36:26.720

couch don't how quite as good so you

 

0:36:24.800,0:36:30.240

might have to cover a little more ground

 

0:36:26.720,0:36:32.520

to find cows to locate them but that's

 

0:36:30.240,0:36:35.319

extremely effective that's exactly what

 

0:36:32.520,0:36:37.280

I'm looking for is these busted up

 

0:36:35.319,0:36:39.920

groups you know go out locate if I hear

 

0:36:37.280,0:36:41.440

cows then that's exactly what I want

 

0:36:39.920,0:36:44.359

because I'm G to slip right in there now

 

0:36:41.440,0:36:47.440

I do your Couts are getting more range

 

0:36:44.359,0:36:50.560

on them too y so a lot of times if you I

 

0:36:47.440,0:36:53.720

do I started doing this about two years

 

0:36:50.560,0:36:55.119

ago heavily started doing it last year

 

0:36:53.720,0:36:56.800

I've always done it during the winter

 

0:36:55.119,0:36:58.480

time frame where I would go out just

 

0:36:56.800,0:37:00.720

before daylight

 

0:36:58.480,0:37:02.280

do my locating and then hunt those CS as

 

0:37:00.720,0:37:05.560

soon as it got daylight so there wasn't

 

0:37:02.280,0:37:07.680

much time for them to move I've also

 

0:37:05.560,0:37:10.880

started using that approach during the

 

0:37:07.680,0:37:13.560

family bust up time frame because that

 

0:37:10.880,0:37:16.599

helps you stay right on top of those CS

 

0:37:13.560,0:37:18.560

because during den and cering time frame

 

0:37:16.599,0:37:20.240

prior to B bust up starting you can go

 

0:37:18.560,0:37:21.599

out and locate theight and hunt them

 

0:37:20.240,0:37:25.040

next week they're still right there in

 

0:37:21.599,0:37:26.720

the same spot now and prime example was

 

0:37:25.040,0:37:29.599

just the other day I located some cows

 

0:37:26.720,0:37:31.839

about an hour foror daylight on a they

 

0:37:29.599,0:37:33.079

were on a smz creek it's just a creek

 

0:37:31.839,0:37:35.599

winding down between a bunch of

 

0:37:33.079,0:37:38.280

clearcuts and tickets Y and when I went

 

0:37:35.599,0:37:39.760

in there where I got a really good pin

 

0:37:38.280,0:37:42.359

on them they were probably

 

0:37:39.760,0:37:44.760

only two to three hundred yards off the

 

0:37:42.359,0:37:46.720

gravel when they how that morning and

 

0:37:44.760,0:37:49.400

they were scattered out the farthest Co

 

0:37:46.720,0:37:52.599

was probably 400 yards and the nearest

 

0:37:49.400,0:37:55.920

one no more than 100 150 yards scattered

 

0:37:52.599,0:37:57.760

out down that Creek well hour hour and a

 

0:37:55.920,0:38:00.440

half later I get in there to hunt them

 

0:37:57.760,0:38:03.119

and I sat down in the first couple hows

 

0:38:00.440,0:38:06.000

pup hows nothing answered nothing come

 

0:38:03.119,0:38:08.000

in I said hm and I thought I was right

 

0:38:06.000,0:38:09.920

on top of them I knew I was right on top

 

0:38:08.000,0:38:12.760

of them and expected something to be

 

0:38:09.920,0:38:15.520

there quick so I sit there a few more

 

0:38:12.760,0:38:16.920

minutes nothing showed up so I kicked on

 

0:38:15.520,0:38:20.000

and this kind of goes back to one of the

 

0:38:16.920,0:38:22.280

things I said earlier on about using

 

0:38:20.000,0:38:24.920

some of these longer drawn out adult

 

0:38:22.280,0:38:26.960

house to try to get a vocal response I

 

0:38:24.920,0:38:30.560

kicked on come here lonely house which

 

0:38:26.960,0:38:33.560

you know a longer drawn out and these

 

0:38:30.560,0:38:35.680

things answered and they're 6 700 yards

 

0:38:33.560,0:38:37.760

on down the creek in an hour's time

 

0:38:35.680,0:38:41.640

frame the whole group has moved they

 

0:38:37.760,0:38:44.760

were still kind of scattered but that

 

0:38:41.640,0:38:46.720

whole group had moved way on down the

 

0:38:44.760,0:38:49.920

creek right so and this is in thick

 

0:38:46.720,0:38:53.200

stuff so you know in six 700 yards and

 

0:38:49.920,0:38:55.200

in thicker stuff makes me have to make a

 

0:38:53.200,0:38:58.040

move on the C and so I did I cut the

 

0:38:55.200,0:39:00.680

distance down to where I thought I was

 

0:38:58.040,0:39:04.040

probably two to 300 yards from the

 

0:39:00.680,0:39:06.920

nearest cow that had howed and sat down

 

0:39:04.040,0:39:09.599

and and had one come in pretty quick and

 

0:39:06.920,0:39:11.520

then made a short little move to where I

 

0:39:09.599,0:39:13.720

thought the bulk of the rest of them at

 

0:39:11.520,0:39:15.480

H and called up and killed another one

 

0:39:13.720,0:39:17.400

right and I couldn't get any I really

 

0:39:15.480,0:39:19.079

thought I'd get another one or two but I

 

0:39:17.400,0:39:22.480

was dealing with some swirling winds and

 

0:39:19.079,0:39:25.440

stuff I got two out of the deal um after

 

0:39:22.480,0:39:27.880

doing that but to to answer the question

 

0:39:25.440,0:39:29.839

yeah locating is

 

0:39:27.880,0:39:31.920

great this time of the year you just

 

0:39:29.839,0:39:35.040

need to make some small adjustments to

 

0:39:31.920,0:39:37.400

it that differ from den and puer in time

 

0:39:35.040,0:39:39.319

frame do your locating closer to when

 

0:39:37.400,0:39:42.160

you're planning on Hunting if possible

 

0:39:39.319,0:39:44.160

just because your information isn't good

 

0:39:42.160,0:39:48.839

as a long a period of time you need to

 

0:39:44.160,0:39:51.079

act on quick yep yep and you may have to

 

0:39:48.839,0:39:52.079

depending on what stage you know you may

 

0:39:51.079,0:39:54.599

have

 

0:39:52.079,0:39:58.040

to you may have to cover a little more

 

0:39:54.599,0:40:00.760

seems like I hear more CS during July

 

0:39:58.040,0:40:03.400

and August I'll hear more groups as far

 

0:40:00.760,0:40:06.400

as if I cover the same amount of ground

 

0:40:03.400,0:40:08.079

a lot of times I'll hear more groups

 

0:40:06.400,0:40:10.359

than I do this time of the year the

 

0:40:08.079,0:40:12.480

vocals start fading a little bit but

 

0:40:10.359,0:40:14.880

yeah if you can hear them and and get a

 

0:40:12.480,0:40:16.440

pen on them man that's Dynamite because

 

0:40:14.880,0:40:18.599

you can slip right in there and a lot of

 

0:40:16.440,0:40:20.680

times kill multiple CS hey it's just

 

0:40:18.599,0:40:23.160

like we talked about if you're a Night

 

0:40:20.680,0:40:24.400

Hunter um you know if you hear kyot

 

0:40:23.160,0:40:25.560

howling and you got time to hunt you can

 

0:40:24.400,0:40:28.560

go right after them right in and get

 

0:40:25.560,0:40:30.640

them killed um yeah another exciting

 

0:40:28.560,0:40:33.400

thing talking about night hunting one of

 

0:40:30.640,0:40:35.920

our next podcasts is going to be over n

 

0:40:33.400,0:40:38.720

hunting and we've got the great Joey

 

0:40:35.920,0:40:41.200

worth coming on the fox Pro podcast you

 

0:40:38.720,0:40:43.920

guys definitely do not want to miss that

 

0:40:41.200,0:40:47.079

longtime friend of ours

 

0:40:43.920,0:40:49.640

uh how long has he been running Fox mfk

 

0:40:47.079,0:40:51.359

Tory long time I mean just can't since

 

0:40:49.640,0:40:52.880

since he got started I mean he that's

 

0:40:51.359,0:40:55.200

what he got started with and he's been

 

0:40:52.880,0:40:58.119

with it ever since and Joey has turn

 

0:40:55.200,0:40:59.960

Joey is there's been a couple people

 

0:40:58.119,0:41:03.200

that have that I've hunted with that

 

0:40:59.960,0:41:06.000

have been extremely impressive with how

 

0:41:03.200,0:41:08.480

fast they progress with something Y and

 

0:41:06.000,0:41:11.240

Joey Joey is one of them Greg is another

 

0:41:08.480,0:41:13.760

one they they just pick this stuff and

 

0:41:11.240,0:41:16.400

there's several other examples of that

 

0:41:13.760,0:41:19.839

but those are a couple that Joey in

 

0:41:16.400,0:41:23.359

particular coming from

 

0:41:19.839,0:41:25.680

basically not not doing it not having a

 

0:41:23.359,0:41:28.319

hunting background picking it up having

 

0:41:25.680,0:41:30.440

an interest in it and then taking it and

 

0:41:28.319,0:41:34.200

turning it into what he does for a

 

0:41:30.440,0:41:37.480

living so pretty impressive stuff with

 

0:41:34.200,0:41:40.000

with what what Joey has done in just a

 

0:41:37.480,0:41:41.560

few short years people that especially

 

0:41:40.000,0:41:44.240

if they're new to it or even if they're

 

0:41:41.560,0:41:47.280

not Joey somebody you want to tune into

 

0:41:44.240,0:41:50.240

because of what he's done yep in such a

 

0:41:47.280,0:41:53.319

short period of time yep yep he's uh

 

0:41:50.240,0:41:55.400

he's definitely quickly turned into uh

 

0:41:53.319,0:41:56.640

one of the best coyot callers in the

 

0:41:55.400,0:41:58.720

country and that's the reason he's going

 

0:41:56.640,0:42:00.240

to be on here can't wait to can't wait

 

0:41:58.720,0:42:02.160

to bring it guys you all it's going to

 

0:42:00.240,0:42:05.160

be a good one I I'm excited to have him

 

0:42:02.160,0:42:07.520

on here um let's move right along we

 

0:42:05.160,0:42:10.760

talked about all these hey the only the

 

0:42:07.520,0:42:14.160

only downfall to uh to Joy he

 

0:42:10.760,0:42:16.400

Yankee he got a little yank to him don't

 

0:42:14.160,0:42:19.520

he says he's a closet Southerner but and

 

0:42:16.400,0:42:21.480

that's just a joke I like everybody but

 

0:42:19.520,0:42:23.040

I always pick it Joey when he first come

 

0:42:21.480,0:42:25.400

down here and hunted with me I used to

 

0:42:23.040,0:42:27.720

pick at him because uh he was one of the

 

0:42:25.400,0:42:29.440

wor Yankees I had hunted with and any

 

0:42:27.720,0:42:32.000

now we're good friends so I always try

 

0:42:29.440,0:42:33.920

to I always try to get them them jokes

 

0:42:32.000,0:42:35.520

in there we'll we'll poke it he'll make

 

0:42:33.920,0:42:37.680

fun of me and I'll make a little fun of

 

0:42:35.520,0:42:39.920

him so and I got several buddies that do

 

0:42:37.680,0:42:42.160

that with but had to throw that in there

 

0:42:39.920,0:42:46.240

get my jab in while he sitting here to

 

0:42:42.160,0:42:48.200

jab back perfect time perfect time

 

0:42:46.240,0:42:51.480

what's Let's uh let's go ahead and give

 

0:42:48.200,0:42:53.400

everybody a like you're kind of your

 

0:42:51.480,0:42:55.000

calling style we went over the type of

 

0:42:53.400,0:42:56.960

sounds we're going that we like to run

 

0:42:55.000,0:42:58.760

this time of year but let's put it all

 

0:42:56.960,0:43:02.520

together together give them a family

 

0:42:58.760,0:43:04.440

bust up calling sequence from Tory cook

 

0:43:02.520,0:43:07.359

of mfk game

 

0:43:04.440,0:43:10.720

calls all right what I what I typically

 

0:43:07.359,0:43:13.720

do is I most of the time I'll start out

 

0:43:10.720,0:43:16.040

with one adult tole something that's

 

0:43:13.720,0:43:17.920

long and drawn out I'm I'm basically

 

0:43:16.040,0:43:19.640

looking for a vocal response so I'm GNA

 

0:43:17.920,0:43:22.280

use something like come here lonely

 

0:43:19.640,0:43:24.520

house Boon lone Wine House some of those

 

0:43:22.280,0:43:27.760

that people have heard us talk about

 

0:43:24.520,0:43:30.839

bougie homick juice lonely that's going

 

0:43:27.760,0:43:33.760

to be the first to that I let out and

 

0:43:30.839,0:43:36.839

then I go right to those pup house and

 

0:43:33.760,0:43:38.079

here lately I've been using the uh the

 

0:43:36.839,0:43:42.040

Dempsey

 

0:43:38.079,0:43:44.680

hoodlum uh bhead pup house those are the

 

0:43:42.040,0:43:46.800

main ones that I've been using in years

 

0:43:44.680,0:43:49.640

past if people have some of the older

 

0:43:46.800,0:43:53.040

sounds it's going to be those bam little

 

0:43:49.640,0:43:55.119

be bougie they're all equally good that

 

0:43:53.040,0:43:58.040

young C how that you mentioned from Fox

 

0:43:55.119,0:44:02.000

Pro stuff like that and I'ma going to do

 

0:43:58.040,0:44:05.200

you know one two three uh different pup

 

0:44:02.000,0:44:08.520

house yep and a lot of times I'm

 

0:44:05.200,0:44:10.040

expecting my first SC to show up deing

 

0:44:08.520,0:44:13.400

one of those pup house and a lot of

 

0:44:10.040,0:44:16.440

times they do from there I roll right

 

0:44:13.400,0:44:18.720

into the social interaction sounds I've

 

0:44:16.440,0:44:22.040

been heavy on greeting wines that piled

 

0:44:18.720,0:44:24.599

up Cal coats really good luck with greet

 

0:44:22.040,0:44:26.440

and wines following those pupils if

 

0:44:24.599,0:44:28.160

nothing shows up on that I'm probably

 

0:44:26.440,0:44:31.520

going to play submissive beggar

 

0:44:28.160,0:44:33.960

submissive tap out to follow that and

 

0:44:31.520,0:44:36.520

you know I'm only playing couple minutes

 

0:44:33.960,0:44:39.400

two three minutes of each at the most

 

0:44:36.520,0:44:42.280

and if nothing shows up on that I'm

 

0:44:39.400,0:44:44.079

usually rolling right in to those pup

 

0:44:42.280,0:44:47.160

fights this time of the year I typically

 

0:44:44.079,0:44:49.680

skip over the the clean pup distress

 

0:44:47.160,0:44:52.280

because you have pup distress mixed in

 

0:44:49.680,0:44:53.880

with the pup fights so I usually go

 

0:44:52.280,0:44:55.920

right to the pup

 

0:44:53.880,0:44:58.200

fights there I know we didn't I don't

 

0:44:55.920,0:45:00.079

think we mentioned some of the some of

 

0:44:58.200,0:45:02.559

the favorite pup fights so I'll do that

 

0:45:00.079,0:45:05.440

now and on a particular stand I'll just

 

0:45:02.559,0:45:07.920

grab any one or two or three of these

 

0:45:05.440,0:45:10.800

pup fights that I'm about to mention so

 

0:45:07.920,0:45:14.040

out of some of the older pup fights I

 

0:45:10.800,0:45:16.880

really like the The dous Sounds there's

 

0:45:14.040,0:45:20.240

two of them I like them both uh at one

 

0:45:16.880,0:45:23.079

point I liked then dishes to the best in

 

0:45:20.240,0:45:25.240

later years I've probably favored Den

 

0:45:23.079,0:45:27.359

vicious the original a little more but

 

0:45:25.240,0:45:31.520

they are both excellent use a lot of

 

0:45:27.359,0:45:34.640

those um for pup fights I really like

 

0:45:31.520,0:45:37.839

any of the pup fights that have stanky

 

0:45:34.640,0:45:41.920

involved so if you see little be and

 

0:45:37.839,0:45:43.280

stanky or bam stanky I really like those

 

0:45:41.920,0:45:46.839

pup fights there's two or three

 

0:45:43.280,0:45:50.040

different age classes of different coats

 

0:45:46.839,0:45:53.200

fighting with stanky and they're they're

 

0:45:50.040,0:45:56.520

just Killers I've one of my alltime

 

0:45:53.200,0:45:59.480

favorites is Bam stanky eight week yep

 

0:45:56.520,0:46:02.280

um I really like little be stanky three

 

0:45:59.480,0:46:05.000

week but any of those that are that are

 

0:46:02.280,0:46:08.280

that have stanky if it's a if it's a CO

 

0:46:05.000,0:46:11.960

fighting stanky a pup fight it's a

 

0:46:08.280,0:46:14.559

killer and then uh the stuff that I have

 

0:46:11.960,0:46:16.440

been using this summer just testing some

 

0:46:14.559,0:46:20.200

of the new sounds really good luck with

 

0:46:16.440,0:46:23.760

them I've been using uh bone battle and

 

0:46:20.200,0:46:26.160

brokeup brawl and I've had some really

 

0:46:23.760,0:46:28.119

good Callins matter of fact that post I

 

0:46:26.160,0:46:31.280

made today B bone battle and broke up

 

0:46:28.119,0:46:33.079

brawl were the pup fights that that I

 

0:46:31.280,0:46:36.280

were favoring and the unique thing about

 

0:46:33.079,0:46:38.839

bone battle is it's actually a pup fight

 

0:46:36.280,0:46:41.920

over food so you get that extra trigger

 

0:46:38.839,0:46:44.359

in it to where it is a not only a pup

 

0:46:41.920,0:46:46.040

fight but it's also a food fight and

 

0:46:44.359,0:46:48.160

then you get some extra sounds

 

0:46:46.040,0:46:50.920

associated with food fighting with that

 

0:46:48.160,0:46:53.640

and then that brokeup brawl sound is

 

0:46:50.920,0:46:55.200

exactly what happens that we were

 

0:46:53.640,0:46:57.920

talking about earlier you have these

 

0:46:55.200,0:46:59.680

busted up coats they come back together

 

0:46:57.920,0:47:01.680

they meet and greet and then in a second

 

0:46:59.680,0:47:03.720

they're in a fight and that's what broke

 

0:47:01.680,0:47:05.839

that's where broke up brawl came from it

 

0:47:03.720,0:47:10.079

was recorded during the family bust up

 

0:47:05.839,0:47:11.880

time frame and doing exactly what

 

0:47:10.079,0:47:15.319

coyotes are doing this time of the year

 

0:47:11.880,0:47:17.920

that we're calling to so those are those

 

0:47:15.319,0:47:20.200

are some of the standouts and I I will

 

0:47:17.920,0:47:23.079

still end my sequence if nothing shows

 

0:47:20.200,0:47:25.520

up on those pup fights I will still end

 

0:47:23.079,0:47:27.960

my sequence with and I'm usually only

 

0:47:25.520,0:47:30.040

playing one or two uh of the adult

 

0:47:27.960,0:47:32.040

fights and I'm choosing from stuff that

 

0:47:30.040,0:47:35.040

people have heard us talk about on just

 

0:47:32.040,0:47:37.280

about every show but table scraps Pound

 

0:47:35.040,0:47:40.240

Town fight challenge and some of the

 

0:47:37.280,0:47:44.160

couple of the newer ones that I've added

 

0:47:40.240,0:47:46.599

that I really like are uh uh hot sauce

 

0:47:44.160,0:47:48.839

and Fire Sauce Y and I'm usually playing

 

0:47:46.599,0:47:51.319

one or two you know picking something

 

0:47:48.839,0:47:53.960

from those five or six Sounds playing

 

0:47:51.319,0:47:55.920

one or two of them to end my stand

 

0:47:53.960,0:47:58.079

there's another fight that I've used a

 

0:47:55.920,0:47:59.440

little bit uh just kind of testing it

 

0:47:58.079,0:48:01.079

it's hard for me to pull away some of

 

0:47:59.440,0:48:03.040

these fights that I'm so used to CU I

 

0:48:01.079,0:48:05.559

have so much success with them but uh I

 

0:48:03.040,0:48:07.640

can't even remember what it might be

 

0:48:05.559,0:48:10.200

Fireball and Dempsey I know Dempsey's in

 

0:48:07.640,0:48:13.520

it but it's a eight-week rematch what

 

0:48:10.200,0:48:15.520

sound is that oh man I wish I'm glad you

 

0:48:13.520,0:48:17.720

mentioned it yeah Fireball Dempsey

 

0:48:15.520,0:48:20.760

Fireball Dempsey yeah yep Fireball

 

0:48:17.720,0:48:22.520

Dempsey rematch that

 

0:48:20.760,0:48:25.720

is I think

 

0:48:22.520,0:48:28.359

it's I forgot two of them I forgot two

 

0:48:25.720,0:48:30.640

of them because I ran those last summer

 

0:48:28.359,0:48:33.040

with great success we smoked them in

 

0:48:30.640,0:48:35.359

Tennessee with it Pound Town pups and

 

0:48:33.040,0:48:37.640

Fireball Dempsey rematch were sounds

 

0:48:35.359,0:48:38.960

that I was testing running you know pup

 

0:48:37.640,0:48:42.160

fights that I was testing running

 

0:48:38.960,0:48:43.680

towards the end of of last summer Y and

 

0:48:42.160,0:48:45.599

I hadn't played them much this summer

 

0:48:43.680,0:48:47.760

because I'm using these these newer

 

0:48:45.599,0:48:50.319

sounds but I'm glad you remembered those

 

0:48:47.760,0:48:52.240

because that's some stuff that I've

 

0:48:50.319,0:48:55.359

played it a little bit here as of late

 

0:48:52.240,0:48:57.799

that fireball Dempsey eight-week rematch

 

0:48:55.359,0:49:00.000

it's like when you when I first put all

 

0:48:57.799,0:49:01.400

these sounds on my call it just you know

 

0:49:00.000,0:49:02.960

I always like to listen to everything so

 

0:49:01.400,0:49:06.160

I can tell what they are how long they

 

0:49:02.960,0:49:08.079

run out where the loop is all that type

 

0:49:06.160,0:49:10.160

stuff where I can hit pauses if I want

 

0:49:08.079,0:49:13.520

you know so I just go through everything

 

0:49:10.160,0:49:15.440

soon as I heard that sound I like oh man

 

0:49:13.520,0:49:17.440

when you when you hear that sound you

 

0:49:15.440,0:49:20.200

know it's going to be a good one I think

 

0:49:17.440,0:49:24.000

it's just it's a stand out to my ear and

 

0:49:20.200,0:49:27.720

the Kyle seem to like it too so yeah

 

0:49:24.000,0:49:29.599

fireb one of those I know jumped out at

 

0:49:27.720,0:49:33.440

you because it is

 

0:49:29.599,0:49:35.240

extremely vicious yeah that is a vicious

 

0:49:33.440,0:49:38.319

fight I mean and you pick up on it as

 

0:49:35.240,0:49:39.440

soon as it comes on um yeah I'm glad you

 

0:49:38.319,0:49:40.760

thought of that one because that's

 

0:49:39.440,0:49:45.160

that's definitely one that doesn't need

 

0:49:40.760,0:49:46.799

left out but uh yeah so I mean what are

 

0:49:45.160,0:49:48.160

you what's your sequence what are you

 

0:49:46.799,0:49:50.480

doing I know it's probably pretty

 

0:49:48.160,0:49:52.920

similar very very similar a little

 

0:49:50.480,0:49:55.520

different um and I change it up from

 

0:49:52.920,0:49:57.760

time to time um I am starting my

 

0:49:55.520,0:49:59.839

standoff with house and I'm usually

 

0:49:57.760,0:50:03.799

running three different

 

0:49:59.839,0:50:06.480

sounds U for house uh usually it's uh

 

0:50:03.799,0:50:09.160

it's either one adult lead off with one

 

0:50:06.480,0:50:11.559

adult answer it back with a pup and then

 

0:50:09.160,0:50:13.960

I'll my third how will be a group how

 

0:50:11.559,0:50:16.760

like a par how I like sister Parow it's

 

0:50:13.960,0:50:18.359

it's great uh some of the fox Pro Group

 

0:50:16.760,0:50:22.240

House are really good to follow up in

 

0:50:18.359,0:50:25.280

there as well um the only time that I

 

0:50:22.240,0:50:27.799

and sometimes I'll just run one adult

 

0:50:25.280,0:50:29.680

and two different pups or I'll go pup

 

0:50:27.799,0:50:31.160

pup and then group house but it's always

 

0:50:29.680,0:50:33.599

three different house I just like

 

0:50:31.160,0:50:35.319

running three different house and then

 

0:50:33.599,0:50:37.839

after that instead of going straight

 

0:50:35.319,0:50:39.880

into the social sounds that's when I Mi

 

0:50:37.839,0:50:41.599

I like to mix in my prey to stress

 

0:50:39.880,0:50:44.160

sounds so I'll run one of my favorite

 

0:50:41.599,0:50:46.160

rabbits uh one of my favorite Birds you

 

0:50:44.160,0:50:48.720

know I swap it up a little bit this time

 

0:50:46.160,0:50:50.760

frame and I only play it for a short

 

0:50:48.720,0:50:54.000

time like two minutes or something like

 

0:50:50.760,0:50:56.880

that just kind of just kind of setting

 

0:50:54.000,0:50:59.720

that uh setting a stage I guess kind of

 

0:50:56.880,0:51:02.599

playing uh playing something out of just

 

0:50:59.720,0:51:04.280

some house a group of Coes come together

 

0:51:02.599,0:51:06.839

they get they find them a rabbit or

 

0:51:04.280,0:51:09.200

something like that then they social

 

0:51:06.839,0:51:10.720

stuff starts up so I go right into the

 

0:51:09.200,0:51:14.079

social sounds after that I'm usually

 

0:51:10.720,0:51:17.240

just playing one to two social sounds um

 

0:51:14.079,0:51:19.680

a lot of times too uh submissive beggar

 

0:51:17.240,0:51:21.760

it's always it's always in there and

 

0:51:19.680,0:51:23.799

then over the last two years I've been

 

0:51:21.760,0:51:25.880

playing the greeting wines I really like

 

0:51:23.799,0:51:28.240

greeting wines because it just became a

 

0:51:25.880,0:51:31.040

standout quick so I'm running three

 

0:51:28.240,0:51:33.960

house a little bit of prey distress

 

0:51:31.040,0:51:35.319

social sounds one to two different ones

 

0:51:33.960,0:51:38.440

and then I go right into those pup

 

0:51:35.319,0:51:42.880

fights myself just like you said earlier

 

0:51:38.440,0:51:44.960

love the den vicious sounds um I have

 

0:51:42.880,0:51:48.200

here lately played that fireball Dempsey

 

0:51:44.960,0:51:50.359

8we rematch quite a bit I really really

 

0:51:48.200,0:51:52.839

like that and then I'm going right in

 

0:51:50.359,0:51:54.319

the table scraps I've had this is

 

0:51:52.839,0:51:56.920

probably my favorite time of year to run

 

0:51:54.319,0:51:59.760

table scraps I've just seen such great

 

0:51:56.920,0:52:01.680

success from it from o October November

 

0:51:59.760,0:52:04.200

time frame and then I'm usually

 

0:52:01.680,0:52:07.720

finishing up with like fight challenge

 

0:52:04.200,0:52:08.720

so three hows a pre distress a couple

 

0:52:07.720,0:52:12.559

social

 

0:52:08.720,0:52:16.160

sounds one to two pup fights then right

 

0:52:12.559,0:52:17.280

into two more fights table scraps and uh

 

0:52:16.160,0:52:20.240

and fight

 

0:52:17.280,0:52:23.920

challenge pretty pretty similar I forgot

 

0:52:20.240,0:52:27.319

to add the group pal in I used to I used

 

0:52:23.920,0:52:29.680

to run group Pals a lot more than I have

 

0:52:27.319,0:52:31.559

this summer I've still got one in

 

0:52:29.680,0:52:33.559

particular that I've been running I just

 

0:52:31.559,0:52:36.599

forgot to mention it a while

 

0:52:33.559,0:52:38.359

ago on my older stuff and both of these

 

0:52:36.599,0:52:39.760

type sequences work really well it's

 

0:52:38.359,0:52:41.559

more a sequence like what you were

 

0:52:39.760,0:52:44.040

talking about running but I used to

 

0:52:41.559,0:52:45.520

would run those kind of what you you're

 

0:52:44.040,0:52:47.319

talking about three or four different

 

0:52:45.520,0:52:49.079

houss I'd usually start with an adult

 

0:52:47.319,0:52:51.200

follow with one or two of those pups

 

0:52:49.079,0:52:53.880

usually it was something like bam and

 

0:52:51.200,0:52:56.880

little be or bougie and then I would go

 

0:52:53.880,0:52:59.480

to happy yappy group or happy family for

 

0:52:56.880,0:53:01.720

the group out here lately I've been

 

0:52:59.480,0:53:03.319

running those burad I've been starting

 

0:53:01.720,0:53:06.760

with something like come here lonely

 

0:53:03.319,0:53:09.720

going to bhead follow that with hoodlum

 

0:53:06.760,0:53:12.200

follow that with Dempsey maybe and then

 

0:53:09.720,0:53:15.799

I go the sound that I left out was sweet

 

0:53:12.200,0:53:18.559

and sour group I love that sound because

 

0:53:15.799,0:53:20.880

it was recorded it's a group pile that

 

0:53:18.559,0:53:21.960

was recorded after the cats came back

 

0:53:20.880,0:53:24.640

together they kind of have a meet and

 

0:53:21.960,0:53:26.720

greet they break into this group out and

 

0:53:24.640,0:53:28.559

then at the tail end of it they can't

 

0:53:26.720,0:53:31.000

even get along long enough to get the

 

0:53:28.559,0:53:32.680

group finished they getting a little bit

 

0:53:31.000,0:53:34.920

of a fight right there on the tail end

 

0:53:32.680,0:53:37.520

of that group pile I've had coachs come

 

0:53:34.920,0:53:39.480

running in while that sound is playing

 

0:53:37.520,0:53:43.040

and just love it but it's sweet and sour

 

0:53:39.480,0:53:45.559

group and I do mix it in behind those I

 

0:53:43.040,0:53:48.119

have not played that in the field yet

 

0:53:45.559,0:53:49.920

and I I need to try that I need to make

 

0:53:48.119,0:53:51.880

like I said usually my third sound is

 

0:53:49.920,0:53:53.839

going to be a group pal I need to throw

 

0:53:51.880,0:53:55.559

that throw that in there and another

 

0:53:53.839,0:53:58.200

sounds I haven't used and you mentioned

 

0:53:55.559,0:53:59.680

earlier and I remember we hunted back in

 

0:53:58.200,0:54:01.000

March you were mentioning them I think

 

0:53:59.680,0:54:03.040

you played a little bit of them out

 

0:54:01.000,0:54:06.599

there but was that hot sauce and Fire

 

0:54:03.040,0:54:09.520

Sauce I just you know that's one of the

 

0:54:06.599,0:54:12.520

things about having so many sounds it

 

0:54:09.520,0:54:14.079

it's it's that's one of the good things

 

0:54:12.520,0:54:15.960

you know you got a lot of sounds that's

 

0:54:14.079,0:54:17.680

going to work so it's hard to sometimes

 

0:54:15.960,0:54:19.160

it's hard to pull away from those sounds

 

0:54:17.680,0:54:21.240

that you know you going to have a c

 

0:54:19.160,0:54:23.480

running to but I need to start mixing

 

0:54:21.240,0:54:25.119

those in at hot sauce and Fire Sauce cuz

 

0:54:23.480,0:54:26.440

they're on my call I need to start

 

0:54:25.119,0:54:29.079

running them see what they're all about

 

0:54:26.440,0:54:31.960

out turn the field the next time you get

 

0:54:29.079,0:54:33.640

some booger barking coats especially if

 

0:54:31.960,0:54:35.119

they especially if they hadn't smad you

 

0:54:33.640,0:54:38.040

you know they're just spicious booger

 

0:54:35.119,0:54:41.839

barking play those hot sauce Fire Sauce

 

0:54:38.040,0:54:44.920

sounds I've had a I've had a lot of luck

 

0:54:41.839,0:54:46.720

with hauling up you know booger barking

 

0:54:44.920,0:54:49.319

coats with them suspicious coats getting

 

0:54:46.720,0:54:53.200

them to break and uh and the way that I

 

0:54:49.319,0:54:55.040

use them this time of the year is I'm

 

0:54:53.200,0:54:56.839

typically not playing very much of them

 

0:54:55.040,0:54:58.559

they're extremely aggressive play them

 

0:54:56.839,0:55:00.720

for just a second and then fall right

 

0:54:58.559,0:55:03.119

into just while they're playing soon as

 

0:55:00.720,0:55:06.000

I hit the play on hot sauce or Fire

 

0:55:03.119,0:55:08.000

Sauce I'll let while they're playing

 

0:55:06.000,0:55:10.640

just as soon as they crank up I'm

 

0:55:08.000,0:55:12.079

scrolling to a different fight you know

 

0:55:10.640,0:55:14.040

something that's got more growling and

 

0:55:12.079,0:55:15.760

stuff in it so I'll let that go for a

 

0:55:14.040,0:55:18.160

second and then I'm falling right into

 

0:55:15.760,0:55:20.880

one of those other P fights or adult

 

0:55:18.160,0:55:23.039

fights that we mentioned and just kind

 

0:55:20.880,0:55:24.680

of going back and forth I'll let that

 

0:55:23.039,0:55:27.880

fight play for a minute and then I'll

 

0:55:24.680,0:55:30.359

kick back on to to that and one thing I

 

0:55:27.880,0:55:32.680

am really interested in trying I know

 

0:55:30.359,0:55:34.599

they're right around the corner I'm

 

0:55:32.680,0:55:37.480

really interested I've never been a guy

 

0:55:34.599,0:55:39.520

that plays mult mixes sounds because

 

0:55:37.480,0:55:44.079

usually I have them on my call already

 

0:55:39.520,0:55:47.000

yeah but I am very interested in mixing

 

0:55:44.079,0:55:49.720

hot sauce or Fire Sauce over the top of

 

0:55:47.000,0:55:51.640

some of these other fights because it's

 

0:55:49.720,0:55:56.599

create a really with Fox Fusion on the

 

0:55:51.640,0:55:59.400

360 or yeah or x48 yeah x48 yeah I'm I'm

 

0:55:56.599,0:56:00.160

looking for those are those are a couple

 

0:55:59.400,0:56:03.880

of

 

0:56:00.160,0:56:07.240

sounds that I think are going to shine

 

0:56:03.880,0:56:09.640

on a feature like that because a lot of

 

0:56:07.240,0:56:11.520

times when you get two cows fighting

 

0:56:09.640,0:56:13.400

you'll have some satellite Coots that

 

0:56:11.520,0:56:15.160

are running around barking and carrying

 

0:56:13.400,0:56:17.720

on and kind of acting like they they're

 

0:56:15.160,0:56:19.640

trash talking and you'll be able to cre

 

0:56:17.720,0:56:22.799

create that exact

 

0:56:19.640,0:56:25.160

scenario with uh with that so with with

 

0:56:22.799,0:56:27.160

hot sauce and Fire Sauce what what

 

0:56:25.160,0:56:30.039

fights are you usually right in there

 

0:56:27.160,0:56:32.440

right behind them or that you'll be

 

0:56:30.039,0:56:34.119

mixing I'll I'll do it with any of those

 

0:56:32.440,0:56:36.480

I mentioned earlier it may be one of the

 

0:56:34.119,0:56:38.119

pup fights like bam stanky or it may be

 

0:56:36.480,0:56:42.079

one of the adult fights like poundtown

 

0:56:38.119,0:56:44.160

or t just mixing those those back and

 

0:56:42.079,0:56:47.119

forth and the hot sauce and Fire Sauce

 

0:56:44.160,0:56:49.400

sounds were actually recorded during I

 

0:56:47.119,0:56:51.440

think we talked about this on other

 

0:56:49.400,0:56:54.720

podcast they were recorded during

 

0:56:51.440,0:56:57.480

breeding season when a female was trying

 

0:56:54.720,0:56:59.720

to choose who she was going to pair up

 

0:56:57.480,0:57:01.480

with between two males and so they're

 

0:56:59.720,0:57:03.680

getting into it I mean they're right in

 

0:57:01.480,0:57:05.760

each other's face yapping at each other

 

0:57:03.680,0:57:07.599

there's nothing booger barking about any

 

0:57:05.760,0:57:08.880

of this these are two cows cussing each

 

0:57:07.599,0:57:11.359

other out and getting into little

 

0:57:08.880,0:57:14.240

scuffles yeah stuff like and it's and

 

0:57:11.359,0:57:16.240

she is the one that's doing the bulk of

 

0:57:14.240,0:57:18.480

the cussing okay I mean she's just right

 

0:57:16.240,0:57:21.000

up in their face well

 

0:57:18.480,0:57:23.480

sounds yeah and then and then you would

 

0:57:21.000,0:57:24.880

have a couple of them getting the fight

 

0:57:23.480,0:57:26.760

and another one still standing there

 

0:57:24.880,0:57:29.359

barking and so

 

0:57:26.760,0:57:32.480

barking and yapping so it was that's

 

0:57:29.359,0:57:34.760

where I think mixing some of the there's

 

0:57:32.480,0:57:37.039

not a whole lot of that but with that

 

0:57:34.760,0:57:39.039

box Fusion you'll be able to create a a

 

0:57:37.039,0:57:41.559

little bit bigger Longer scenario that's

 

0:57:39.039,0:57:43.440

something I'm interested in uh in trying

 

0:57:41.559,0:57:45.880

yeah I can't wait to put it in the put

 

0:57:43.440,0:57:47.480

it in the works as well and uh I want to

 

0:57:45.880,0:57:49.119

go back like on the sequence stuff there

 

0:57:47.480,0:57:53.599

a little bit just to let you guys know

 

0:57:49.119,0:57:56.760

I'm usually constantly like kind of

 

0:57:53.599,0:57:59.240

changing my sequence up subtly

 

0:57:56.760,0:58:01.520

like when I let out those first three

 

0:57:59.240,0:58:03.240

hows and then go right into a pray

 

0:58:01.520,0:58:05.559

distress and Then followed up with those

 

0:58:03.240,0:58:06.280

social sounds and stuff like that if

 

0:58:05.559,0:58:08.839

it's

 

0:58:06.280,0:58:11.280

working I usually keep running with it

 

0:58:08.839,0:58:12.839

until I start making some dry stands and

 

0:58:11.280,0:58:15.599

usually what I'll start do I just start

 

0:58:12.839,0:58:18.359

changing the order up Tory like I'll let

 

0:58:15.599,0:58:19.640

my two to three different hows out and

 

0:58:18.359,0:58:21.240

then instead of going straight to pray

 

0:58:19.640,0:58:24.160

distress I go right into my social

 

0:58:21.240,0:58:25.920

sounds and then bump pra stress back a

 

0:58:24.160,0:58:29.119

back a notch you know maybe bring it in

 

0:58:25.920,0:58:30.880

after after the social sounds so right

 

0:58:29.119,0:58:32.640

and and all that stuff works just like I

 

0:58:30.880,0:58:35.480

said earlier there's many many right

 

0:58:32.640,0:58:37.520

ways to call in and Co so I just want

 

0:58:35.480,0:58:39.440

you guys to be thinking you ain't always

 

0:58:37.520,0:58:41.480

got to whatever we say you can change it

 

0:58:39.440,0:58:42.960

up to fit your calling style it's just

 

0:58:41.480,0:58:44.720

the type of stuff we just want to share

 

0:58:42.960,0:58:46.160

with you guys what we like to run and

 

0:58:44.720,0:58:48.319

how we go about it and what we've had

 

0:58:46.160,0:58:51.400

success with and if you can use the same

 

0:58:48.319,0:58:53.319

exact thing and call coyotes up hey

 

0:58:51.400,0:58:57.200

awesome awesome that's what it's all

 

0:58:53.319,0:58:58.880

about right that's that's right

 

0:58:57.200,0:59:01.960

let's see here man we've been on here

 

0:58:58.880,0:59:03.359

almost an hour surely I got something

 

0:59:01.960,0:59:05.760

else we can talk about real quick before

 

0:59:03.359,0:59:10.000

we can get off here we're doing good

 

0:59:05.760,0:59:13.039

covering in an hour yeah yeah

 

0:59:10.000,0:59:14.960

um when would you say there and you can

 

0:59:13.039,0:59:18.520

you can answer this just briefly you

 

0:59:14.960,0:59:20.960

know you mentioned pup dispersal earlier

 

0:59:18.520,0:59:24.079

uh when do you think it like was it like

 

0:59:20.960,0:59:27.119

a you know average time frame when the

 

0:59:24.079,0:59:28.440

actual dispersal for your group of coyes

 

0:59:27.119,0:59:30.880

like we said you know some of them was

 

0:59:28.440,0:59:32.559

going to cling cling around and stay

 

0:59:30.880,0:59:34.520

with the family group stay with Mom and

 

0:59:32.559,0:59:37.079

Dad for maybe possibly a couple years

 

0:59:34.520,0:59:40.160

being a helper Coy but like your main

 

0:59:37.079,0:59:42.119

group of of Yearling coyes when do they

 

0:59:40.160,0:59:44.720

actually disperse on

 

0:59:42.119,0:59:47.319

average I think a lot of that a lot of

 

0:59:44.720,0:59:50.039

your actual dispersal takes place it

 

0:59:47.319,0:59:52.799

kind of happens over the course of of

 

0:59:50.039,0:59:54.559

that year until the next pups are born

 

0:59:52.799,0:59:58.039

but I think a lot of it happens around

 

0:59:54.559,0:59:58.039

your pairing breeding time

 

0:59:58.880,1:00:03.359

yeah yeah I think that's when a lot of

 

1:00:00.880,1:00:04.480

it happens and something that you know

 

1:00:03.359,1:00:08.119

some of the people that are out there

 

1:00:04.480,1:00:10.240

hunting something that will that's my

 

1:00:08.119,1:00:12.319

theory on it I know that a lot of it

 

1:00:10.240,1:00:15.599

takes place at that time but something

 

1:00:12.319,1:00:19.319

evidence from hunting that will show you

 

1:00:15.599,1:00:21.160

some of this is you'll have people kill

 

1:00:19.319,1:00:23.240

you know two male coachs running

 

1:00:21.160,1:00:27.839

together and stuff like that and a lot

 

1:00:23.240,1:00:31.760

of times that is those are dispersed

 

1:00:27.839,1:00:34.079

transient males that are brothers y that

 

1:00:31.760,1:00:36.799

have kind of like some of them lines

 

1:00:34.079,1:00:38.440

will do if anybody watches the Safari

 

1:00:36.799,1:00:41.039

documentary stuff you know they'll go

 

1:00:38.440,1:00:43.960

out Band of Brothers and so sometimes

 

1:00:41.039,1:00:48.240

you'll have those those siblings those

 

1:00:43.960,1:00:51.000

litter mates that bust up and then

 

1:00:48.240,1:00:52.240

disperse and you'll see some of that

 

1:00:51.000,1:00:54.359

stuff when you're hunting when you call

 

1:00:52.240,1:00:56.880

in you know multiple coats and all of a

 

1:00:54.359,1:00:58.160

sudden you've killed you know

 

1:00:56.880,1:00:59.280

what you think's going to be a paired

 

1:00:58.160,1:01:02.520

and you walk up there and there's two

 

1:00:59.280,1:01:05.119

males or you know two females whatever

 

1:01:02.520,1:01:08.240

and they look to be the same age a lot

 

1:01:05.119,1:01:11.559

of that is happening and you see a lot

 

1:01:08.240,1:01:13.559

of that during that pairing breeding

 

1:01:11.559,1:01:15.480

time frame yep and so I think that's

 

1:01:13.559,1:01:18.440

when the bulk of it and another thing

 

1:01:15.480,1:01:19.960

that a lot of these GPS studies uh I was

 

1:01:18.440,1:01:21.960

I keep up with all that we've talked

 

1:01:19.960,1:01:25.920

about it before but I was just recently

 

1:01:21.960,1:01:29.119

watching One University of Florida um at

 

1:01:25.920,1:01:30.960

Marcus Lashley and uh uh he's got a

 

1:01:29.119,1:01:32.400

buddy can't think of his name right now

 

1:01:30.960,1:01:34.799

out of Tennessee I think he's out of

 

1:01:32.400,1:01:37.039

Tennessee might be Alabama anyway they

 

1:01:34.799,1:01:39.960

were talking about coat specifically

 

1:01:37.039,1:01:42.240

related to turkeys they do a turkey

 

1:01:39.960,1:01:45.359

podcast yep I listen to a lot of this

 

1:01:42.240,1:01:48.880

stuff while I'm building calls but they

 

1:01:45.359,1:01:51.680

referenced multiple studies GPS studies

 

1:01:48.880,1:01:55.079

and several others specifically and this

 

1:01:51.680,1:01:58.599

is not animal rights activist bull crap

 

1:01:55.079,1:02:00.599

these are legit biologist studies for

 

1:01:58.599,1:02:02.119

their agenda is is right you know

 

1:02:00.599,1:02:04.599

they're trying to truly learn about the

 

1:02:02.119,1:02:06.960

animals but anyway what they had come up

 

1:02:04.599,1:02:11.359

with on multiple separate studies done

 

1:02:06.960,1:02:15.000

by different biologists were that 70 to

 

1:02:11.359,1:02:18.960

80% of your C population are typically

 

1:02:15.000,1:02:20.520

resident CS yep so you know that's

 

1:02:18.960,1:02:22.240

that's another thing people can take

 

1:02:20.520,1:02:24.559

into consideration especially during the

 

1:02:22.240,1:02:28.119

family bust up time frame and why pup

 

1:02:24.559,1:02:31.799

dispersal is such a a slow process a lot

 

1:02:28.119,1:02:34.520

of those goats are remaining you know in

 

1:02:31.799,1:02:36.400

that home range as residents for a lot

 

1:02:34.520,1:02:40.480

of the year before they actually

 

1:02:36.400,1:02:42.039

disperse so and then of course most of

 

1:02:40.480,1:02:44.000

the time it's not long especially with

 

1:02:42.039,1:02:47.559

as many people hunting and killing cats

 

1:02:44.000,1:02:50.760

now those dispersed cats typically are

 

1:02:47.559,1:02:52.720

not transients very long because a cow

 

1:02:50.760,1:02:55.359

gets killed somewhere something happens

 

1:02:52.720,1:02:58.720

and they take a spot and become a

 

1:02:55.359,1:03:01.359

resident C that's why those those

 

1:02:58.720,1:03:04.200

numbers uh you know kind of Follow That

 

1:03:01.359,1:03:06.240

pattern transient dispersed pups and all

 

1:03:04.200,1:03:09.920

that kind of stuff can usually find a

 

1:03:06.240,1:03:11.839

spot to feel final vo pretty quick which

 

1:03:09.920,1:03:13.720

which I guess it's the same deal too if

 

1:03:11.839,1:03:15.880

like somebody comes in and kills mom and

 

1:03:13.720,1:03:18.119

dad before they're dispersed out I'm

 

1:03:15.880,1:03:20.799

assuming at least one of those coyotes

 

1:03:18.119,1:03:22.799

will just plant their res in try tell

 

1:03:20.799,1:03:25.000

where they were raised is that right or

 

1:03:22.799,1:03:27.079

yeah there there's a good chance that

 

1:03:25.000,1:03:29.760

they would have SP if you don't have you

 

1:03:27.079,1:03:31.680

know an older age class Transit come in

 

1:03:29.760,1:03:35.480

there and whoop them or something push

 

1:03:31.680,1:03:36.960

out you know something them or another C

 

1:03:35.480,1:03:39.119

and and then you have so many of the

 

1:03:36.960,1:03:41.200

pups talk you going back to your

 

1:03:39.119,1:03:42.960

question about when they do what I think

 

1:03:41.200,1:03:44.880

the bulk of them probably do it over the

 

1:03:42.960,1:03:48.160

course of that first year around that

 

1:03:44.880,1:03:50.599

breeding pairing time frame and then the

 

1:03:48.160,1:03:52.599

rest of them over the course of about

 

1:03:50.599,1:03:54.720

two years and a lot of the reason for

 

1:03:52.599,1:03:57.559

that these are usually females that are

 

1:03:54.720,1:03:59.720

staying in that home range with adults

 

1:03:57.559,1:04:02.279

where they were raised is because the

 

1:03:59.720,1:04:04.520

bulk of your female coats don't actually

 

1:04:02.279,1:04:06.520

participate in breeding they can they

 

1:04:04.520,1:04:08.599

can have pups at one year old that fancy

 

1:04:06.520,1:04:10.799

coat that that I got the black stff off

 

1:04:08.599,1:04:13.640

y she she breed and had pups at one year

 

1:04:10.799,1:04:16.680

old so they can breed and do have pups

 

1:04:13.640,1:04:19.079

at one year old but the majority of them

 

1:04:16.680,1:04:21.480

don't actually pair up and participate

 

1:04:19.079,1:04:24.000

in breeding until they're two years old

 

1:04:21.480,1:04:27.799

and so a lot of those female CS stay on

 

1:04:24.000,1:04:30.200

as resident home ran change coats in the

 

1:04:27.799,1:04:32.920

same they're not staying with them

 

1:04:30.200,1:04:34.720

necessarily but they're still tolerated

 

1:04:32.920,1:04:36.680

and are some of them some of them do

 

1:04:34.720,1:04:38.599

stay with the adults and help raise pups

 

1:04:36.680,1:04:42.240

but you'll have other ones that are you

 

1:04:38.599,1:04:46.480

know still in the home range and a

 

1:04:42.240,1:04:50.599

resident gos of those you know original

 

1:04:46.480,1:04:52.400

adults yeah so you know there's a that's

 

1:04:50.599,1:04:54.720

why I don't like the pup dispersal

 

1:04:52.400,1:04:57.200

because it's so spread out as far I mean

 

1:04:54.720,1:04:59.720

you're talking about some cods

 

1:04:57.200,1:05:02.440

dispersing they may disperse you know in

 

1:04:59.720,1:05:05.279

the first few months and other ones it

 

1:05:02.440,1:05:07.920

may take them two years that same litter

 

1:05:05.279,1:05:10.520

right so it's a it's a long

 

1:05:07.920,1:05:13.520

process good stuff I got one more

 

1:05:10.520,1:05:17.359

question for you and no

 

1:05:13.520,1:05:19.760

cheating give me give me three musthave

 

1:05:17.359,1:05:21.760

sounds for the family bust up time

 

1:05:19.760,1:05:24.319

period if you were just going to have

 

1:05:21.760,1:05:28.599

three sounds on your call water three

 

1:05:24.319,1:05:28.599

must have sounds for this time

 

1:05:30.760,1:05:36.520

period like said no no cheating no like

 

1:05:33.960,1:05:38.200

well I might Pi king or no it's three

 

1:05:36.520,1:05:42.079

give me three three of

 

1:05:38.200,1:05:44.720

them oh boy that that's that's pretty

 

1:05:42.079,1:05:46.039

tough to to just keep it to three

 

1:05:44.720,1:05:47.520

because you gotta have a how you gotta

 

1:05:46.039,1:05:49.359

have a social interaction you gotta have

 

1:05:47.520,1:05:50.839

a fight I'll let you I'll let you have

 

1:05:49.359,1:05:52.760

your mouth

 

1:05:50.839,1:05:54.279

diaphragm all right well if I got the

 

1:05:52.760,1:05:56.880

mouth diaphragm then that'll make it a

 

1:05:54.279,1:05:59.480

little easier because now I got my house

 

1:05:56.880,1:06:02.720

uh or or at least I've got my my locator

 

1:05:59.480,1:06:06.839

H with the diaphragm so I'm going to go

 

1:06:02.720,1:06:10.880

with I think I'm G to go

 

1:06:06.839,1:06:13.960

with bhead one of the bhead uh there's

 

1:06:10.880,1:06:17.400

bhead half grown bhead yodel I'll take

 

1:06:13.960,1:06:21.000

bhead half grown had good vocal response

 

1:06:17.400,1:06:23.880

and call UPS to that pup how and then

 

1:06:21.000,1:06:25.599

for a social and greeting wines has been

 

1:06:23.880,1:06:27.960

it's hard for me not to pick a miss

 

1:06:25.599,1:06:30.279

beggar because it's always been so good

 

1:06:27.960,1:06:32.760

but greeting wines has just been a

 

1:06:30.279,1:06:34.960

standout here lately so I'm going to go

 

1:06:32.760,1:06:37.119

greet and wines for the

 

1:06:34.960,1:06:40.799

Social and

 

1:06:37.119,1:06:42.799

then for the pup fight because I think

 

1:06:40.799,1:06:44.880

I'm gonna go pup fight for this time of

 

1:06:42.799,1:06:48.920

the year

 

1:06:44.880,1:06:54.200

um H I'm probably gonna go bam stanky

 

1:06:48.920,1:06:57.279

eight week a lot of that nice nice well

 

1:06:54.200,1:06:58.839

there you have it sounds good to me

 

1:06:57.279,1:07:01.920

what's your three you don't get off the

 

1:06:58.839,1:07:04.119

hook so easy do I get do I get do I get

 

1:07:01.920,1:07:06.839

a diaphragm yeah you can have you I'll

 

1:07:04.119,1:07:09.839

give you the same same deal all right

 

1:07:06.839,1:07:14.480

well take a

 

1:07:09.839,1:07:18.960

diaphragm and let's see let's see I want

 

1:07:14.480,1:07:23.319

to take U Fox proos Ki Cotton

 

1:07:18.960,1:07:27.599

Tail got to have that got to have it um

 

1:07:23.319,1:07:30.400

submissive beggar and table

 

1:07:27.599,1:07:32.520

scraps I think both sequences will kill

 

1:07:30.400,1:07:34.000

just fine got them I figured I can h on

 

1:07:32.520,1:07:36.319

that diaphragm I can let out a few

 

1:07:34.000,1:07:38.359

different sounds I can't do I can't do

 

1:07:36.319,1:07:42.240

table scraps very

 

1:07:38.359,1:07:43.720

good it be tough so so oh or the kgy

 

1:07:42.240,1:07:45.440

Cotton Tail so that's that's what I want

 

1:07:43.720,1:07:47.760

I'll have my I'll have my house on my

 

1:07:45.440,1:07:49.799

diaphragm and then I've got one of the

 

1:07:47.760,1:07:52.799

greatest rabbits ever recorded one of

 

1:07:49.799,1:07:56.039

the best food fights ever and probably

 

1:07:52.799,1:07:57.760

one of the if not the greatest so sound

 

1:07:56.039,1:07:59.599

ever submissive beggar plus that

 

1:07:57.760,1:08:02.839

submissive beggar it's kind of like on

 

1:07:59.599,1:08:04.960

the borderline of a submissive sound and

 

1:08:02.839,1:08:08.680

almost a pup distress it's like a subtle

 

1:08:04.960,1:08:12.319

pup distress so I like it yeah yeah yeah

 

1:08:08.680,1:08:15.559

I that's that's pretty stout Stout pick

 

1:08:12.319,1:08:17.400

I'd take either one of them well toy we

 

1:08:15.559,1:08:20.960

appreciate you coming on here buddy good

 

1:08:17.400,1:08:23.040

luck to you uh during deer season

 

1:08:20.960,1:08:24.319

hopefully bag your bucks that you

 

1:08:23.040,1:08:26.400

looking for you got anything you want to

 

1:08:24.319,1:08:28.560

leave everybody with

 

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