Jon Collins from FOXPRO and Torry Cook from MFK discuss the breakdown of coyote family bust up and share the most effective calling sequences to use during this period.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls family bust
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up that's what's happening now and
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that's our topic for this episode of the
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fox Pro podcast I'm John Collins along
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with Tory cook of mfk game calls how's
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it going Tori oh we're making it down
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here how about y'all ah yeah trying to
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trying to make it anyway V toor was
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talking before we hit record here we uh
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he's slipping in
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bow season archery hunt mode for white
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tail deer and I'm already in it I've
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been out a few times been uh banging my
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head off wall for one certain Buck but
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hopefully I hopefully I catch up for him
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uh with him for too long for you got a
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you got a particular deer in mind or you
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just winging it at this moment I'm sure
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you've done some Scout yeah oh yeah I
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start in June on deer that's my bow
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hunting deer specific deer I don't care
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anything about deer hunting in general
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but I do like to Target spefic spefic
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deer and find something I want
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especially if I've had him you know in
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years past and I've got a I've been
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looking all summer I got a handful of
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deer that depends on which one I'm walk
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by me first but right got a handful of
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them that I'll slang air through if they
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give me the chance some of them are are
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big ones you know good deer that I
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didn't know anything about and some of
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them are deer that I've got you know two
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or three years or some longer history
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with that may not have as big a set of
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horns as some some of the bigger ones
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but that story line behind them get and
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all pretty decent deer just uh just
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trying to cross paths with them you know
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I'm I'm the same way you know I'm kind
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of stuck on one Buck right now but you
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know I'm kind of just a sucker I just
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want to kill a you know everybody wants
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to kill a 200 inch deer you know but uh
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it's not all about that with me I like
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killing just big brute mature
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bucks you know I don't care if he scores
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130 or 230 if I have a big old mature
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older Buck come by he's probably going
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to get an arrow through his lungs and
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I've got a sixy old nine point down to
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my dad's place we've had he's grazed up
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right there had him every single year
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and uh he's always looked he's always
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been an eight-point ever since twoy old
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all the way through five year old and
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then this year some reason he grew a a
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ninth point there at the end of his beam
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but I sure hope to catch up with him but
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just like I was telling you
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earlier that's that's what I've got my
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heart set on until a a different mature
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Buck walks in front of me before he gets
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there that bu's b to get it
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so I
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understand well toy we're here you know
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that's enough of the deer hunting even
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though we're both chomping at to bid bit
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for it we're uh we're here to talk about
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coyes and uh there's a huge transition
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that happens every single year in the
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coyote family groups during the same
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time frame year after year after year
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and that's what we call Family bust up
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Tori can you or will you please define
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the term family bust up for
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us yeah and it's a it's a fairly new
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term it's something I started using a
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few years ago based on not only hunting
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but raising coats and prior to that the
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term that everybody heard and a lot of
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people are familiar with and they are
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not the same and I'll Define both of
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them was put P dispersal everything you
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read about everything you heard about
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was pup dispersal well as I hunted coats
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and raised coats I realized that pup
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dispersal which means pup dispersal
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means when a coow pup gets to a certain
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age they leave the family group leave
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the home range the home territory and go
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out on their own and become transients
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and are looking for a home range of
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their own that's what dispersal means
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that they actually disperse and leave
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that home home range and that Family
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Group Well I realized that's pretty
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specific and that was what was labeled
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for this time of year was pup dispersal
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time frame well I realized that that
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really doesn't take place like that pup
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dispersal is a long drawn out deal and
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sometimes may take up to two years
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before some of those pups actually leave
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the home range a better term for it and
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what I started calling family bust up
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and a different definition and what's
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actually taking place and what takes
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place
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everywhere prior to dispersal for a
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particular pup is what we call Family
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bust up which is that family group is
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tight knit during the dening pup rearing
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time frame they get to this stage those
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pups they they shed those baby teeth
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they put in their permanent teeth it's
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time for them to start basically
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functioning as adult coats when they hit
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that about five six month old age they
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start functioning as adults and what
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along with that is that bust up time
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frame and they start separating from the
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group those coats get they start getting
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kind of like a bachelor group of deer to
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where they just don't tolerate anymore
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tolerate each each other anymore and
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they'll start fighting and pushing each
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other out and they start separating but
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what differs from pup dispersal is
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during the family bust up time frame the
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family group is starting to get distance
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between them but all of those codes of
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that family group are still in the same
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home range that they've been in the
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whole time right and then over time over
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the course of a year or two some of
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those pups will actually disperse fairly
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quickly other ones will stay on you know
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for up to two years that's where a lot
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of times you'll see that
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hel helper Co that's typically a pup
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that has stayed on and a lot of times it
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may be
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According to some of these GPS studies
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and stuff that they've done College
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stuff those CS will stay on as long as
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two years yeah before they actually
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disperse from that family home range
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right so that's the difference between
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family bust up and pup dispersal and why
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I prefer the term family bust
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up because pup dispersal is is really
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doesn't even apply and you still see a
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lot of people using it but it it what it
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means and what's actually taking place
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is not accurate right well you know that
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was kind of brought on years ago and I
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remember when you first mentioned the
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term family bust up to me and and we got
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to talking about it I was like man it
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makes perfect sense and I've have since
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adopted it and of course you know tons
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and tons and tons of other people have
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as well and it's just accurate I mean
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it's just kind of common sense when you
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really get to breaking it down like you
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just did and that's one this time this
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time frame is so can be so Dynamite uh
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and we call it family bust up instead of
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dispersal because like right now October
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1st you start calling it's just a
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perfect time to call in multiple coyotes
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and a lot of times they'll come you
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might call in uh triples quads Quint
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even more coyotes and they'll come from
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two sometimes they'll all come from the
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same direction but a lot of times
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they're coming from Two and sometimes
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three and four different directions and
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all meeting up at you know just one
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after another or at the same time and if
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those all those coyotes were dispersed
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out you wouldn't be calling in those big
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family groups because if they're
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dispersed out they're not in the same
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range anymore so just bust it up you
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know out there just you know kind of
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trying to live their lives on their own
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but they're still still within earshot
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of each other and I think it's it's a
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it's definitely an accurate term and I
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think it's here to stay that's for sure
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yeah and something else about it that's
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neat and why this family bust up time
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frame is my favorite time I know it's
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one of your a lot of people love this
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time frame especially once they figure
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out how many coachs you can call in you
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know on on one stand but it's a slow
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process and that's what I that's what I
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love about the family bust up time frame
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is you've got these coats that are in
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that tight-knit family group and then as
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the bust up time frame which kind of
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starts I say that family bust up just to
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put a time frame on it I say it begins
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roughly late August that's when you
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start seeing some family bust up stuff
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happening you start getting a little
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separation you go out and you hear CO's
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how and they're not all right there
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together they're spaced out not only are
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the adults spaced out but those pups
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start getting distance between them but
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what the reason I say it's a slow
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process is because they're starting to
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get to where they don't tolerate each
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other and they're going out on their own
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a little bit but they're still coming
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back together and you'll steal that's
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why the calling works so good because
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they're separated they're busted up we
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can go in there and call and because
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they're still doing it as part of the
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bust up time frame they're coming back
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together for short periods of time and
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then as the bust up process continues
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they start spending a little more time
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apart and they start getting farther
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away from each other so but that goes on
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through I would say I would say bust up
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is just to make it easy for people
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August through October yep that's pretty
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much your family that's the that's the
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core like Peak part of your family bust
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up time frame and when you can really
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take advantage with your calling of
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going in there and those coats being
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busted up but still being in hearing
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distance like you said and calling in
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you know multiple coats and having some
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of the stands like we've seen on on
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Facebook you posted them I've posted
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them multiple people have posted I mean
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a pile of people have posted you know
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four or five even you know five six
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coats yeah uh and you see a lot of
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triples and and quads and stuff like
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that so you can you can thump them
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during that time frame dang right and
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just with that bust up U one of the best
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things about it is say let's take
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killing a quint for instance if you call
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in all five coyotes all at one time and
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you're trying to handle them a lot of
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times that's pretty tough now a lot of
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times you can call some of those coyotes
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back in you can get some of them stopped
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for your second third fourth and fifth
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shots but when you can get those kyos
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just come staggering in single file line
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one after another you shoot one boom
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dead call another n call another n call
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another n they're so much easier to
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handle when they're coming in coming in
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staggered like that instead of one big
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solid wave of coyes yeah yeah that's
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that is the best part about it and one
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of the things that I think some people
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make a mistake on is they go in they sat
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down and they may leave Couts because
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they call up one kill it or call in a
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you know a couple of Cs and they may get
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both of them and they think the stand is
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done well during the F family bust up
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time frame you're just getting started a
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lot of times those are just the first of
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multiple coats that you could
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potentially call in on one
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yeah and that's one of my biggest tips
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for this for this time of year is
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exactly what you just said if you call
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in a coyote or coyot and you kill them
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in the first few minutes of your stand
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still make a fulllength stand call it
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call it all the way out to that 15 or 20
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minute Mark or whatever you're want to
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make because you're liable to kill more
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coyot later in the stand that just
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haven't got there yet that's still part
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of that what was a family group is kind
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of busted up now so yeah you if you call
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in a coyote early during this time frame
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keep calling because you're liable to
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call in more that's for sure 100% for
0:12:04.399,0:12:11.240
sure and U speaking of that you know
0:12:07.519,0:12:13.560
once family bust up occurs which it has
0:12:11.240,0:12:15.760
now all of our coyotes that are out
0:12:13.560,0:12:18.120
there are callable all of them will come
0:12:15.760,0:12:20.800
to a call but there's definitely you
0:12:18.120,0:12:22.680
know definitely certain sounds that are
0:12:20.800,0:12:25.240
you know just absolute money for this
0:12:22.680,0:12:28.360
time frame like your lone pup house your
0:12:25.240,0:12:30.000
your social sounds uh your older age
0:12:28.360,0:12:33.800
class pup fights which you talk a lot
0:12:30.000,0:12:36.079
about all those are extremely effective
0:12:33.800,0:12:38.399
for this uh this time frame so I want to
0:12:36.079,0:12:40.160
talk about those a little bit what do
0:12:38.399,0:12:42.000
you can what do you think are like some
0:12:40.160,0:12:43.880
great examples of some of like some of
0:12:42.000,0:12:46.199
your favorite puff house I guess I
0:12:43.880,0:12:49.160
should say Tory cook for this uh this
0:12:46.199,0:12:50.720
time frame family bust up I've got
0:12:49.160,0:12:52.760
several of them that I use and I'll
0:12:50.720,0:12:55.240
throw out a couple of examples of of
0:12:52.760,0:12:57.160
some of the older ones that I have
0:12:55.240,0:13:00.000
always liked and still use and that
0:12:57.160,0:13:02.519
would be the BAM puy
0:13:00.000,0:13:04.760
the little be whimper pup house I know
0:13:02.519,0:13:07.240
that's probably Al's favorite one of the
0:13:04.760,0:13:09.839
mon heard him talk about it a bunch and
0:13:07.240,0:13:13.279
you as well other people uh and then
0:13:09.839,0:13:16.040
probably one of my favorites I I like
0:13:13.279,0:13:18.800
bam and little be and then I like I
0:13:16.040,0:13:20.720
really like bougie whiny pup house
0:13:18.800,0:13:23.279
that's one of my all-time favorite pup
0:13:20.720,0:13:27.399
house uh from some of the
0:13:23.279,0:13:30.079
older uh mfk gos and then some new ones
0:13:27.399,0:13:32.560
that I've pretty much used exclusively
0:13:30.079,0:13:37.160
this summer are some of the houss from
0:13:32.560,0:13:39.560
bhead Dempsey hoodlum Fireball got a lot
0:13:37.160,0:13:41.920
of P house from from those and they've
0:13:39.560,0:13:44.199
been I mean they've been really good
0:13:41.920,0:13:48.279
that's about all I've used here lately
0:13:44.199,0:13:51.560
so any of those piles with those names
0:13:48.279,0:13:53.680
attached to them are good stuff yeah I
0:13:51.560,0:13:56.279
haven't used little Heathen little
0:13:53.680,0:13:58.320
Heathen and uh and flip flop or a couple
0:13:56.279,0:13:59.680
of other ones that I haven't used as
0:13:58.320,0:14:01.920
much yet
0:13:59.680,0:14:05.639
but I guarantee they're GNA be just as
0:14:01.920,0:14:07.800
good and that's all you know just gives
0:14:05.639,0:14:10.079
people a good variety and then I know
0:14:07.800,0:14:15.279
there's a couple of uh couple of the fox
0:14:10.079,0:14:17.800
Pro what's that is it C5 young yeah C5
0:14:15.279,0:14:19.560
young KY house is know is a pup house
0:14:17.800,0:14:21.720
and it's been a main stay for the last
0:14:19.560,0:14:23.959
several years and it's it's absolute
0:14:21.720,0:14:25.519
money one of the great things about the
0:14:23.959,0:14:28.480
pup house and to speak to some of your
0:14:25.519,0:14:31.920
newer sounds there uh Tori I've used uh
0:14:28.480,0:14:33.800
Dempsey and bhead quite a bit this year
0:14:31.920,0:14:36.040
I haven't had a chance any use the newer
0:14:33.800,0:14:38.320
pups but those have been excellent
0:14:36.040,0:14:40.240
getting vocal responses and what I'm
0:14:38.320,0:14:42.600
fixing to say here another great thing
0:14:40.240,0:14:45.079
about these pup house is when you let
0:14:42.600,0:14:47.880
those pup house out usually you've
0:14:45.079,0:14:50.440
already got coyes on your feet coming to
0:14:47.880,0:14:52.440
you these pup house are excellent for
0:14:50.440,0:14:54.240
this time frame for these coyes just to
0:14:52.440,0:14:56.519
get on their feet or already on their
0:14:54.240,0:14:59.279
feet and start running right to the to
0:14:56.519,0:15:02.240
the fox Pro uh that's one of the big
0:14:59.279,0:15:04.639
things about uh pup house this time of
0:15:02.240,0:15:06.360
year and another thing I think a lot of
0:15:04.639,0:15:08.440
times when you go right into your next
0:15:06.360,0:15:10.240
sound uh you probably already got
0:15:08.440,0:15:11.720
coyotes coming you know they're actually
0:15:10.240,0:15:13.040
coming to the pup house and your neck
0:15:11.720,0:15:15.680
sounds are just steering them on
0:15:13.040,0:15:17.759
steering them the rest the way in right
0:15:15.680,0:15:20.079
and you took I mean what you just said
0:15:17.759,0:15:23.000
was GNA be the very next thing I
0:15:20.079,0:15:25.320
followed with about pup house using
0:15:23.000,0:15:28.279
piles a lot of times coats will vocalize
0:15:25.320,0:15:30.680
to piles but where piles really shine is
0:15:28.279,0:15:33.639
exactly what you said they are excellent
0:15:30.680,0:15:35.440
for calling coats in I mean getting a
0:15:33.639,0:15:37.480
you play pup house and like you said
0:15:35.440,0:15:40.800
they will come to it while the house are
0:15:37.480,0:15:42.759
playing and I still use a lot of adult
0:15:40.800,0:15:45.079
lone house just because I think you get
0:15:42.759,0:15:47.720
a slightly better vocal response to
0:15:45.079,0:15:51.440
those longer drawn out at D tiles yes
0:15:47.720,0:15:53.160
but I'm using those more as a that's
0:15:51.440,0:15:55.199
kind of what I'm using it for trying to
0:15:53.160,0:15:57.480
get a vocal response and then when I go
0:15:55.199,0:15:59.360
to those pupils and a lot of times I
0:15:57.480,0:16:02.440
start with the pupils because I already
0:15:59.360,0:16:04.639
know the coach are there but then a lot
0:16:02.440,0:16:08.480
of times they do get a vocal response
0:16:04.639,0:16:12.600
but they really Shine for calling C in
0:16:08.480,0:16:14.519
yes no no doubt we actually gotta uh
0:16:12.600,0:16:16.959
it'll be out here pretty quick actually
0:16:14.519,0:16:19.839
gotta stand I filmed right here at home
0:16:16.959,0:16:21.560
and I've actually I was self filming and
0:16:19.839,0:16:24.800
it's just an example of how effective
0:16:21.560,0:16:28.519
pup house are I let out a set of house
0:16:24.800,0:16:30.920
and had a lone coyote answer and he was
0:16:28.519,0:16:33.079
just like like within that range of I
0:16:30.920,0:16:34.759
think he's close enough that he'll come
0:16:33.079,0:16:36.440
and and then you also got that second
0:16:34.759,0:16:38.199
thought in the back of your mind like
0:16:36.440,0:16:39.680
should I grab my stuff and move real
0:16:38.199,0:16:41.720
quick you know that's that's where he
0:16:39.680,0:16:43.920
was just right there on that Fringe and
0:16:41.720,0:16:45.160
but I decided I said you know I'm just
0:16:43.920,0:16:47.079
going I'm going to wait it out I think
0:16:45.160,0:16:49.959
he's close enough so I I was self
0:16:47.079,0:16:52.399
filming I take my my camera and I zoom
0:16:49.959,0:16:54.519
it in on x24 I always like to to film
0:16:52.399,0:16:57.959
like a close up the x24 or some kind of
0:16:54.519,0:17:01.519
sound running and I zoom it in there hit
0:16:57.959,0:17:03.639
another puff and as that puff House's
0:17:01.519,0:17:05.360
ringing out it's about halfway through
0:17:03.639,0:17:08.600
its sequence I look over to the right
0:17:05.360,0:17:10.439
and that coyote is there or or another
0:17:08.600,0:17:13.199
coyote anyway I had called a coyote out
0:17:10.439,0:17:15.160
and it was coming to the house and I
0:17:13.199,0:17:16.720
didn't have to play another sound I bust
0:17:15.160,0:17:18.600
that c right there where he stood out
0:17:16.720,0:17:22.000
there staring at the
0:17:18.600,0:17:24.120
x24 yeah yeah that's that is you got to
0:17:22.000,0:17:26.199
be ready when you play those pupil and I
0:17:24.120,0:17:28.280
made a post today and I know we'll get
0:17:26.199,0:17:30.720
into some of the other sounds that go
0:17:28.280,0:17:33.280
right along with this podcast but I made
0:17:30.720,0:17:36.960
a post today and I was hunting with a a
0:17:33.280,0:17:39.120
boy and I think we called up 14 Cs on
0:17:36.960,0:17:41.919
just a few stands awesome and they were
0:17:39.120,0:17:44.160
coming in you know sometimes two or
0:17:41.919,0:17:46.720
three together sometimes just one but
0:17:44.160,0:17:49.480
you know it was just random a variety of
0:17:46.720,0:17:51.480
coats coming in at different time frames
0:17:49.480,0:17:53.799
and coming into multiple signs we would
0:17:51.480,0:17:55.919
have coats come in on the pup house and
0:17:53.799,0:17:58.080
then when we would swap to social sound
0:17:55.919,0:18:00.960
we'd get another code in and then to pup
0:17:58.080,0:18:03.320
fights and get another other C in so all
0:18:00.960,0:18:04.760
of those sounds starting with the p
0:18:03.320,0:18:06.799
house and then just going right on
0:18:04.760,0:18:08.840
through that sequence it's one of the
0:18:06.799,0:18:12.760
things about another thing about Family
0:18:08.840,0:18:16.559
bust Stu you can you can trigger coats
0:18:12.760,0:18:18.919
throughout the stand on multiple sounds
0:18:16.559,0:18:22.200
so you have several different sounds
0:18:18.919,0:18:25.000
that are that are working and triggering
0:18:22.200,0:18:27.039
different members of that family group
0:18:25.000,0:18:29.200
and I don't know for sure why but I
0:18:27.039,0:18:31.559
think part of it probably has to do with
0:18:29.200,0:18:34.000
Peck and Order especially during that
0:18:31.559,0:18:36.760
family bust up time frame as to why
0:18:34.000,0:18:39.159
you'll have one coow or two Coots come
0:18:36.760,0:18:40.679
running in on the pup house and the rest
0:18:39.159,0:18:42.120
of them don't come running in but
0:18:40.679,0:18:44.120
they're still part of that family group
0:18:42.120,0:18:45.720
and then you swap to a social sound and
0:18:44.120,0:18:47.520
you pull another one and before long
0:18:45.720,0:18:49.559
you've killed that entire family group
0:18:47.520,0:18:50.960
if you uh if you play everything just
0:18:49.559,0:18:52.880
right right well let's talk let's talk
0:18:50.960,0:18:54.799
about the social sounds Tor as actually
0:18:52.880,0:18:57.240
the next thing I was going to mention
0:18:54.799,0:18:59.480
because I really think that this is you
0:18:57.240,0:19:01.760
know social sounds work year
0:18:59.480,0:19:03.760
uh they usually always have a place
0:19:01.760,0:19:06.400
somewhere in my sequence throughout the
0:19:03.760,0:19:08.000
year but I think I really personally
0:19:06.400,0:19:09.400
think it's probably because I've had the
0:19:08.000,0:19:11.320
most success off of them during this
0:19:09.400,0:19:13.880
time frame I think they really shine
0:19:11.320,0:19:17.200
during the family bust up um like
0:19:13.880,0:19:20.559
submissive beggar submissive Tapout
0:19:17.200,0:19:24.480
um KY female submissive from Fox Pro all
0:19:20.559,0:19:27.280
those submissive wines from mfk
0:19:24.480,0:19:29.440
um there's so many I can't think of
0:19:27.280,0:19:31.880
greting greeting
0:19:29.440,0:19:33.440
new sound from last year so awesome talk
0:19:31.880,0:19:36.039
about those a little bit why they're so
0:19:33.440,0:19:38.360
effective this time of year I think it's
0:19:36.039,0:19:40.559
because this is when social interaction
0:19:38.360,0:19:43.400
sounds just like you mentioned you have
0:19:40.559,0:19:46.799
so much success from it because this is
0:19:43.400,0:19:49.280
when the codes are the most social and
0:19:46.799,0:19:50.880
you get a lot of those sounds like all
0:19:49.280,0:19:53.799
those submissive sounds all the sounds
0:19:50.880,0:19:56.159
we just covered you get a lot of those
0:19:53.799,0:19:58.440
type sounds happen in deeran family bust
0:19:56.159,0:19:59.960
up because you have these coats separate
0:19:58.440,0:20:01.320
and and they come back together and then
0:19:59.960,0:20:02.840
they separate and they come back
0:20:01.320,0:20:05.360
together well every time that they
0:20:02.840,0:20:08.320
separate and then come back together
0:20:05.360,0:20:11.159
that meet and greet takes place and that
0:20:08.320,0:20:13.520
initial meet and greet is when the bulk
0:20:11.159,0:20:16.000
of those social interaction sounds that
0:20:13.520,0:20:18.480
we just talked about that's when they
0:20:16.000,0:20:21.400
happen so you've got that just happening
0:20:18.480,0:20:23.720
all the time amongst that family group
0:20:21.400,0:20:25.840
of coats that's busting up then coming
0:20:23.720,0:20:29.120
back together and busting up again just
0:20:25.840,0:20:32.720
a constant communication with social
0:20:29.120,0:20:34.200
sounds and I think what happens and you
0:20:32.720,0:20:37.520
see this when you're hunting and then I
0:20:34.200,0:20:39.760
see it you know when my CS being free
0:20:37.520,0:20:41.080
range they bust up and come back
0:20:39.760,0:20:43.840
together so I get to see that
0:20:41.080,0:20:46.480
interaction take place and a lot of
0:20:43.840,0:20:48.320
times when you have two cows that come
0:20:46.480,0:20:50.600
back together and you've got another one
0:20:48.320,0:20:53.240
that's busted up he's over here a 100
0:20:50.600,0:20:55.760
yards away 200 yards away whatever and
0:20:53.240,0:20:59.320
he hears this social interaction taking
0:20:55.760,0:21:00.720
place amongst you know they're they've
0:20:59.320,0:21:02.080
been part of this family group this
0:21:00.720,0:21:04.880
whole time they hear those social
0:21:02.080,0:21:07.000
interaction sounds take place they come
0:21:04.880,0:21:09.760
running in to check it out too and I
0:21:07.000,0:21:11.640
think that's why they are so effective
0:21:09.760,0:21:14.840
during the family bust up time frame
0:21:11.640,0:21:17.640
because it's happening during that coach
0:21:14.840,0:21:20.360
life every day multiple times throughout
0:21:17.640,0:21:23.679
the day as this family bust up process
0:21:20.360,0:21:26.960
takes place over a you know a three
0:21:23.679,0:21:29.840
month period or longer so it's a you
0:21:26.960,0:21:32.559
just you can't be using those sounds
0:21:29.840,0:21:34.320
that are such a big part of their daily
0:21:32.559,0:21:36.240
life and their behavior during this time
0:21:34.320,0:21:38.200
of the year what about how many
0:21:36.240,0:21:40.360
different social sounds will you play on
0:21:38.200,0:21:42.440
a particular stand through family bust
0:21:40.360,0:21:44.919
up you talking about just one two three
0:21:42.440,0:21:48.679
how many different two I'm I'm usually
0:21:44.919,0:21:51.080
running two or three uh yeah here lately
0:21:48.679,0:21:53.320
the stuff I've ran has been greeting
0:21:51.080,0:21:56.440
wines yep I mean greeting wines has just
0:21:53.320,0:21:59.080
been fire for me the the last several
0:21:56.440,0:22:03.039
times I've been out and then uh
0:21:59.080,0:22:05.480
of course my my just Old Faithful sessi
0:22:03.039,0:22:08.080
beggar you I'm gonna mix some missive
0:22:05.480,0:22:11.400
beggar in on most STS because it's just
0:22:08.080,0:22:13.480
been so good uh submissive tap out like
0:22:11.400,0:22:14.960
you mentioned but usually I'll play two
0:22:13.480,0:22:17.480
or three of those and I don't play them
0:22:14.960,0:22:19.640
for you know a real long time couple
0:22:17.480,0:22:22.120
couple minutes two three minutes and a
0:22:19.640,0:22:24.400
lot of times I'm actually pausing those
0:22:22.120,0:22:26.360
especially a sound like greeting ones
0:22:24.400,0:22:27.919
where it's got some natural breaks in it
0:22:26.360,0:22:32.279
I'll pause it you know I'll let that
0:22:27.919,0:22:34.080
sound play out um you know two or three
0:22:32.279,0:22:36.200
little short sequences and then I'll
0:22:34.080,0:22:39.240
pause it for a second yeah and then I'll
0:22:36.200,0:22:41.600
kick it back on you know I'm not waiting
0:22:39.240,0:22:44.120
a long time you know 15 20 30 seconds
0:22:41.600,0:22:46.760
I'll kick it back on and have a lot of
0:22:44.120,0:22:49.279
Co come and when they come man they're
0:22:46.760,0:22:51.200
usually coming hard right right they
0:22:49.279,0:22:52.760
like those social they're they're
0:22:51.200,0:22:55.360
confident most of the time when they're
0:22:52.760,0:22:58.919
coming to a social sound they're coming
0:22:55.360,0:23:01.799
pretty hard and one of one of thing I
0:22:58.919,0:23:05.480
want to mention I talked about you know
0:23:01.799,0:23:07.120
recording these family bust up sounds
0:23:05.480,0:23:09.360
and I see other people you know
0:23:07.120,0:23:11.240
advertising their P dispersal or their
0:23:09.360,0:23:12.960
family bust up sounds and stuff like
0:23:11.240,0:23:15.000
that there's only one place to get
0:23:12.960,0:23:17.799
family bust up sounds in the wild and
0:23:15.000,0:23:20.720
that's and they can't they can't bust up
0:23:17.799,0:23:23.080
in a pen can't that's what I was I want
0:23:20.720,0:23:25.480
people to be aware of this I want use
0:23:23.080,0:23:30.000
common sense this is not me trying to
0:23:25.480,0:23:32.640
knock put a lot of you said common sense
0:23:30.000,0:23:36.919
yeah you if you get animals in a zoo or
0:23:32.640,0:23:39.679
in a cage cannot if they're in a cage
0:23:36.919,0:23:42.480
that pup dispersal family bust up
0:23:39.679,0:23:45.799
whatever term they want to use it does
0:23:42.480,0:23:47.799
not happen and you can separate them and
0:23:45.799,0:23:51.000
put them in two separate cages but the
0:23:47.799,0:23:54.400
behavior that takes place during family
0:23:51.000,0:23:59.799
bust up that causes family bust up
0:23:54.400,0:24:02.200
related sounds only happens on pre range
0:23:59.799,0:24:04.840
wild acting CS they have to be able to
0:24:02.200,0:24:08.559
bust up to create that Dynamic to create
0:24:04.840,0:24:10.240
that behavior and to create a scenario
0:24:08.559,0:24:12.159
that all of these sounds we're talking
0:24:10.240,0:24:14.440
about associated with family bust up
0:24:12.159,0:24:17.440
take place and you if you want those
0:24:14.440,0:24:19.279
sounds you have to get them from mfk and
0:24:17.440,0:24:22.240
play them on a fox Pro that's the only
0:24:19.279,0:24:24.120
place you're getting them and I mean
0:24:22.240,0:24:26.399
that's just the truth and I think people
0:24:24.120,0:24:28.399
should know that I get a I get a little
0:24:26.399,0:24:30.399
bit aggravated over some of the false
0:24:28.399,0:24:33.039
advertising that I see right but you
0:24:30.399,0:24:36.600
don't have family bust up sounds taking
0:24:33.039,0:24:38.840
place in a cage can't can't bust well I
0:24:36.600,0:24:42.279
mean it's just common sense if they in a
0:24:38.840,0:24:44.360
cage and you can say whatever size it is
0:24:42.279,0:24:47.720
they can't if it's a group of coyes and
0:24:44.360,0:24:50.399
one little cage they can't bust up or
0:24:47.720,0:24:54.120
disperse they can only go 5 foot
0:24:50.399,0:24:56.080
oret it's just Comm completely that that
0:24:54.120,0:24:59.399
behavior that is recorded from cage
0:24:56.080,0:25:01.200
coats is the same behavior all year long
0:24:59.399,0:25:03.159
you can put labels on it and and of
0:25:01.200,0:25:04.960
course everybody does and I'm not saying
0:25:03.159,0:25:06.919
that those sounds won't call up codes
0:25:04.960,0:25:09.200
I'm not I tell people the truth you can
0:25:06.919,0:25:12.559
call coats with sounds recorded from
0:25:09.200,0:25:17.399
pinned caged coats everybody knows that
0:25:12.559,0:25:19.440
but you you cannot label those sounds to
0:25:17.399,0:25:21.360
certain things that happens in a CO's
0:25:19.440,0:25:24.120
life that's
0:25:21.360,0:25:26.320
impossible to take place if you know if
0:25:24.120,0:25:29.480
the cow is pinned or caged it just can't
0:25:26.320,0:25:31.840
happen so that that is stuff that people
0:25:29.480,0:25:34.240
need to know when they're looking for
0:25:31.840,0:25:37.200
you know if they want certain sounds
0:25:34.240,0:25:39.159
that apply to certain times of the year
0:25:37.200,0:25:41.760
you you need to know what's what's
0:25:39.159,0:25:44.760
available and what's not for sure for
0:25:41.760,0:25:47.200
sure I tell you and you you can tell us
0:25:44.760,0:25:49.080
this firsthand I'd say one of the next
0:25:47.200,0:25:52.559
thing that happens a lot once these
0:25:49.080,0:25:54.960
yearling coyotes come back together and
0:25:52.559,0:25:56.840
they're they're going through their uh
0:25:54.960,0:25:58.760
you know social interactions their
0:25:56.840,0:26:01.120
social sounds sometimes gets a little
0:25:58.760,0:26:02.840
rough and then it turns into a fight
0:26:01.120,0:26:05.720
doesn't it yeah you want to talk about
0:26:02.840,0:26:08.919
the pup fights a little bit well again
0:26:05.720,0:26:11.240
you know with the family bust up time
0:26:08.919,0:26:15.320
frame and and us talking about it being
0:26:11.240,0:26:17.919
a slow process they do just like turkeys
0:26:15.320,0:26:19.360
and and deer and other animals that
0:26:17.919,0:26:21.799
group up and then all of a sudden they
0:26:19.360,0:26:24.080
can't get along very well and before you
0:26:21.799,0:26:25.679
know it they don't tolerate each other
0:26:24.080,0:26:27.159
that's what happens with those cows
0:26:25.679,0:26:30.279
they're they're grouped up in a family
0:26:27.159,0:26:31.960
group and in the beginning they separate
0:26:30.279,0:26:33.399
for a short period of time they come
0:26:31.960,0:26:35.360
back together and they get along for a
0:26:33.399,0:26:37.720
little while but it's not very long
0:26:35.360,0:26:39.679
before they are at each other again and
0:26:37.720,0:26:43.440
you start getting your your pup fights
0:26:39.679,0:26:45.760
taking place and as family bust up
0:26:43.440,0:26:48.120
progresses the length of time that they
0:26:45.760,0:26:50.279
spend together before they get in a pup
0:26:48.120,0:26:51.760
fight gets shorter and shorter and
0:26:50.279,0:26:54.240
shorter so you start having more and
0:26:51.760,0:26:55.799
more pup fights as soon as they come you
0:26:54.240,0:26:58.240
know they meet and greet and they hang
0:26:55.799,0:26:59.520
out for a little while early on and then
0:26:58.240,0:27:00.840
before you know what they meet and greet
0:26:59.520,0:27:02.159
and before the meet and greets over with
0:27:00.840,0:27:03.480
they done gotten another fight or as
0:27:02.159,0:27:04.919
soon as they see each other they're
0:27:03.480,0:27:07.399
jumping on each other they can't even
0:27:04.919,0:27:09.320
get to the meet and greet part of it
0:27:07.399,0:27:12.480
they just can't tolerate any each other
0:27:09.320,0:27:15.360
anymore so again like we were talking
0:27:12.480,0:27:18.039
about earlier you got multiple sounds
0:27:15.360,0:27:19.799
that are just really good during the
0:27:18.039,0:27:22.960
family bust up depending on what stage
0:27:19.799,0:27:25.240
those CS are at and all of those sounds
0:27:22.960,0:27:27.440
are taking place in their life and so
0:27:25.240,0:27:30.919
you follow those social interaction
0:27:27.440,0:27:33.000
sounds with some of those pup fights and
0:27:30.919,0:27:35.159
look up and here comes another coow
0:27:33.000,0:27:38.559
after you've already killed two or
0:27:35.159,0:27:41.080
three hey it's stuff stuff happens and
0:27:38.559,0:27:43.159
uh you know people I've had people send
0:27:41.080,0:27:45.480
me messages say don't be humanizing
0:27:43.159,0:27:48.039
coyot or coyot you can't humanize them
0:27:45.480,0:27:50.360
guess what you can humanize them hey I
0:27:48.039,0:27:52.480
got my brother lives in Wyoming he just
0:27:50.360,0:27:55.159
came in and visited there a couple weeks
0:27:52.480,0:27:57.919
ago and guess what I picked him up at
0:27:55.159,0:28:00.480
airport we was socializing we was you
0:27:57.919,0:28:02.480
know shaking hands hugging good to see
0:28:00.480,0:28:05.120
you seeing you in a while before it was
0:28:02.480,0:28:07.519
over we were
0:28:05.120,0:28:09.760
fighting soal interactions turned into
0:28:07.519,0:28:13.440
fights before he headed back to
0:28:09.760,0:28:16.120
Wyoming yep that's exactly that's a good
0:28:13.440,0:28:18.159
way to compare it because that's exactly
0:28:16.120,0:28:20.640
what happens with them Co pups and just
0:28:18.159,0:28:23.600
the co family in general the the adults
0:28:20.640,0:28:26.320
don't tolerate the kids no more and the
0:28:23.600,0:28:29.159
kids can't tolerate each other so a
0:28:26.320,0:28:31.679
little bit all of it going on he another
0:28:29.159,0:28:33.440
another set of sounds and you don't guys
0:28:31.679,0:28:36.000
don't hear us you haven't heard us talk
0:28:33.440,0:28:39.679
about this these particular sounds and
0:28:36.000,0:28:41.399
in quite a while not all you know since
0:28:39.679,0:28:43.480
you know it's late spring through summer
0:28:41.399,0:28:44.960
we haven't mentioned much of this but uh
0:28:43.480,0:28:48.679
some other sounds that really start to
0:28:44.960,0:28:50.640
shine during this um Family bust up time
0:28:48.679,0:28:53.799
frame is when we start mixing in our
0:28:50.640,0:28:55.720
pray distress sounds uh this is like the
0:28:53.799,0:28:58.880
time of year when you first hear them
0:28:55.720,0:29:00.960
come out of my fox Pro call because you
0:28:58.880,0:29:03.279
now have because you know you can play
0:29:00.960,0:29:05.519
some of these rabbit sounds two months
0:29:03.279,0:29:07.120
ago and your pups probably aren't going
0:29:05.519,0:29:08.880
to come to them now you might have some
0:29:07.120,0:29:11.480
adults come to them but that's not watch
0:29:08.880,0:29:13.600
really really firing at the time but
0:29:11.480,0:29:16.159
right now you know there's there's less
0:29:13.600,0:29:18.039
prey out there now and plus all these
0:29:16.159,0:29:19.960
coyotes now have got their adult teeth
0:29:18.039,0:29:22.240
in they're all killers now so we're
0:29:19.960,0:29:24.960
going to start mixing in those rabbit
0:29:22.240,0:29:26.640
sounds those bird sounds raccoon
0:29:24.960,0:29:28.679
whatever you want to play your rodents
0:29:26.640,0:29:30.919
and stuff like that you want talk about
0:29:28.679,0:29:33.159
that a little bit Tor and tell us why
0:29:30.919,0:29:35.120
mixing in pray distress sounds now can
0:29:33.159,0:29:36.240
really add a little bit more to your to
0:29:35.120,0:29:39.360
your
0:29:36.240,0:29:41.960
sequence yeah it's a exactly what you
0:29:39.360,0:29:44.679
just said those those young coats have
0:29:41.960,0:29:46.799
those permanent teeth and to me that
0:29:44.679,0:29:49.240
signifies when they get those permanent
0:29:46.799,0:29:52.240
teeth in replace the baby teeth that
0:29:49.240,0:29:55.320
signifies the start of family bust up it
0:29:52.240,0:29:58.039
also is an indicator that it's time for
0:29:55.320,0:30:01.279
them to start hunting catching bending
0:29:58.039,0:30:03.640
for themselves acting as adults and so
0:30:01.279,0:30:05.279
you start seeing that happen you start
0:30:03.640,0:30:07.320
seeing them doing more hunting for
0:30:05.279,0:30:09.760
themselves they're not relying on those
0:30:07.320,0:30:13.120
adults bringing food back as much as
0:30:09.760,0:30:17.240
they were and as that family bust up
0:30:13.120,0:30:19.440
process goes on those pups start doing
0:30:17.240,0:30:21.799
more and more fending for themselves you
0:30:19.440,0:30:25.240
know gaining a little bit of experience
0:30:21.799,0:30:27.679
but they are still inexperienced as far
0:30:25.240,0:30:30.320
as catching stuff on their own so pray
0:30:27.679,0:30:32.080
to sounds really start playing a role
0:30:30.320,0:30:34.720
that's why people have heard us talk so
0:30:32.080,0:30:37.320
much about holding on to your pray
0:30:34.720,0:30:40.960
sounds until this time of the year and
0:30:37.320,0:30:42.919
it's for this reason you you can call
0:30:40.960,0:30:46.720
them up with other stuff that works
0:30:42.919,0:30:49.960
better save your praise sounds until it
0:30:46.720,0:30:52.480
they become you know kind of at the top
0:30:49.960,0:30:55.159
of some of your better sounds to use and
0:30:52.480,0:30:57.320
that starts happening you know
0:30:55.159,0:30:59.480
especially especially towards that tail
0:30:57.320,0:31:02.519
end of octo oober time frame into
0:30:59.480,0:31:05.600
November they really start shining in
0:31:02.519,0:31:07.919
because all of your coats are
0:31:05.600,0:31:10.320
functioning as individuals by that time
0:31:07.919,0:31:12.960
from by that time even your youngest pup
0:31:10.320,0:31:15.320
should be old enough to be fending for
0:31:12.960,0:31:19.720
themselves so pretty much your entire
0:31:15.320,0:31:22.440
population of goats are having to catch
0:31:19.720,0:31:25.360
and kill for themselves so your prey
0:31:22.440,0:31:28.480
distress sounds especially for those
0:31:25.360,0:31:31.440
younger inexperienced coats that's where
0:31:28.480,0:31:33.440
they really shine because you know they
0:31:31.440,0:31:34.639
they are learning the process so when
0:31:33.440,0:31:37.639
they hear something
0:31:34.639,0:31:39.639
hollering they they're looking for
0:31:37.639,0:31:41.679
something easy to gain a little bit of
0:31:39.639,0:31:45.840
experience so your bird sounds your
0:31:41.679,0:31:48.519
rabbit sounds just any a lot of a lot of
0:31:45.840,0:31:50.919
your popular prey sounds that's when
0:31:48.519,0:31:52.880
they Shine the most and like you said
0:31:50.919,0:31:55.440
you can use anything but you know your
0:31:52.880,0:31:58.279
birds and your rabbits your rodents all
0:31:55.440,0:32:02.720
that kind of stuff really start become a
0:31:58.279,0:32:05.360
part of a good sequence yes you know and
0:32:02.720,0:32:08.080
we we harp on this a lot on the in the
0:32:05.360,0:32:10.960
fox Pro podcast uh you know saving these
0:32:08.080,0:32:12.639
sounds and and not running much prey
0:32:10.960,0:32:15.000
distress through the spring and summer
0:32:12.639,0:32:16.720
months I just go ahead and tell you uh
0:32:15.000,0:32:20.480
well let me back up a little bit put it
0:32:16.720,0:32:24.960
this way there are many many many right
0:32:20.480,0:32:26.720
ways to call in a c and yes you can run
0:32:24.960,0:32:28.600
pray to stress you can run your rabbit
0:32:26.720,0:32:30.240
year round you can if you feel
0:32:28.600,0:32:33.840
comfortable with it and you're calling
0:32:30.240,0:32:36.480
coyotes don't shy away from it do it uh
0:32:33.840,0:32:37.880
but in in some of these areas these
0:32:36.480,0:32:40.000
places where you don't have as much
0:32:37.880,0:32:41.880
ground to hunt you don't have as many
0:32:40.000,0:32:43.639
coyotes all that type of stuff it can
0:32:41.880,0:32:45.840
really really pay off if you save some
0:32:43.639,0:32:49.120
of these sounds for different times of
0:32:45.840,0:32:51.399
year and just along with saying there's
0:32:49.120,0:32:53.880
many right ways to call in a coyot
0:32:51.399,0:32:55.559
there's also many many wrong ways to to
0:32:53.880,0:32:57.440
try to go about it and you'll see the
0:32:55.559,0:33:01.240
effects of it usually ain't very good
0:32:57.440,0:33:03.519
now like my CS that I hunt they have not
0:33:01.240,0:33:06.320
heard the first prey distress besides
0:33:03.519,0:33:08.279
for a random fwn distress here and there
0:33:06.320,0:33:11.799
since early
0:33:08.279,0:33:14.360
March right until now so all those prey
0:33:11.799,0:33:16.760
distress sounds are fresh about as fresh
0:33:14.360,0:33:18.320
as they get falling on Fresh ears and
0:33:16.760,0:33:20.799
they really shine right now you'll see
0:33:18.320,0:33:23.039
the difference if you haven't played a
0:33:20.799,0:33:24.679
rabbit sound since February or March and
0:33:23.039,0:33:26.960
then all a sudden October 1st you start
0:33:24.679,0:33:28.320
playing it well coyot will just trip
0:33:26.960,0:33:30.519
over theirselves trying to get to that
0:33:28.320,0:33:33.039
rabbit squalling it it makes a
0:33:30.519,0:33:36.159
difference yeah oh it there's no doubt
0:33:33.039,0:33:39.240
about it it definitely does and again we
0:33:36.159,0:33:42.639
already mentioned it it coincides with
0:33:39.240,0:33:46.080
when that is what's taking place for a
0:33:42.639,0:33:48.120
lot of those young Co they have not been
0:33:46.080,0:33:49.480
catching prey on their own they've a lot
0:33:48.120,0:33:51.159
of people think soon as they're born
0:33:49.480,0:33:54.600
they start going out hunting with the
0:33:51.159,0:33:56.639
adults and catching they don't they are
0:33:54.600,0:33:58.960
I mean I've documented this with a lot
0:33:56.639,0:34:01.559
of those all about Co videos following
0:33:58.960,0:34:03.919
these coats around free range and
0:34:01.559,0:34:05.279
watching what pups do when the adults
0:34:03.919,0:34:08.359
are not with them even after they're
0:34:05.279,0:34:11.599
three four months old do they catch an
0:34:08.359,0:34:13.079
occasional random you know sick mouse or
0:34:11.599,0:34:15.679
something that they come across it's
0:34:13.079,0:34:17.079
easy sure they and more often than not
0:34:15.679,0:34:20.079
they don't even know what to do with it
0:34:17.079,0:34:22.280
they play with it right you or don't
0:34:20.079,0:34:24.159
really know how to react to it but
0:34:22.280,0:34:27.839
they're foraging what they're doing is
0:34:24.159,0:34:30.200
foraging on berries and Grasshoppers and
0:34:27.839,0:34:33.000
grass and just whatever they can find to
0:34:30.200,0:34:35.159
eat it's not trying to get away while
0:34:33.000,0:34:38.440
waiting on those adults to bring
0:34:35.159,0:34:40.720
something back to them and those adults
0:34:38.440,0:34:42.679
are still doing all the catching the
0:34:40.720,0:34:44.560
killing the pups are not hearing this
0:34:42.679,0:34:46.320
they're not witnessing this they're not
0:34:44.560,0:34:48.520
going out with them and a lot of people
0:34:46.320,0:34:50.280
don't know that that is what's taking
0:34:48.520,0:34:52.919
place those pups are in a pup rearing
0:34:50.280,0:34:55.919
area and they're still being fed by the
0:34:52.919,0:34:58.480
adults until they shed those teeth at 5
0:34:55.919,0:35:01.040
six months old and then that process
0:34:58.480,0:35:04.400
starts which is where we're at right now
0:35:01.040,0:35:06.280
and why those prey distress sounds
0:35:04.400,0:35:08.520
really start to shine because they are
0:35:06.280,0:35:10.079
starting they do know what you know
0:35:08.520,0:35:11.520
after they shed those teeth all of a
0:35:10.079,0:35:13.320
sudden they are starting to hunt they
0:35:11.520,0:35:16.359
are starting to catch a little bit so
0:35:13.320,0:35:18.359
now they know what catching a bird
0:35:16.359,0:35:20.560
catching a rabbit a fawn whatever
0:35:18.359,0:35:22.079
they've seen these adults catch or that
0:35:20.560,0:35:24.640
they've been a part of because now
0:35:22.079,0:35:26.640
they're venturing out they know what it
0:35:24.640,0:35:28.040
is when they hear it so it triggers them
0:35:26.640,0:35:31.040
and they'll come running right into
0:35:28.040,0:35:32.839
those pray sounds good stuff good stuff
0:35:31.040,0:35:35.160
I got one question here for you because
0:35:32.839,0:35:38.160
I actually got this of the day and I
0:35:35.160,0:35:41.280
want to hear what your answer is um
0:35:38.160,0:35:46.040
during this family bust up time frame
0:35:41.280,0:35:47.440
how uh effective can locating coyotes be
0:35:46.040,0:35:49.400
especially for like you know of course
0:35:47.440,0:35:50.720
we know how effective it can be for for
0:35:49.400,0:35:52.119
nighttime hunting because if you hear
0:35:50.720,0:35:53.880
one how you can go on there and get to
0:35:52.119,0:35:55.480
call them but for for your daytime
0:35:53.880,0:35:58.520
callers that go out at night try to
0:35:55.480,0:36:01.240
locate Couts how how effective is
0:35:58.520,0:36:03.800
locating coyotes and being able to get a
0:36:01.240,0:36:06.319
game plan on them and go in the next few
0:36:03.800,0:36:08.119
days and try to get them killed is that
0:36:06.319,0:36:11.119
effective practice to use during this
0:36:08.119,0:36:13.920
time frame for family bust up yeah it's
0:36:11.119,0:36:15.960
it's still very effective you may have
0:36:13.920,0:36:18.560
to cover more ground because your vocal
0:36:15.960,0:36:21.280
stuff as groups bust up depending on how
0:36:18.560,0:36:24.800
far they bust up sometimes you your
0:36:21.280,0:36:26.720
couch don't how quite as good so you
0:36:24.800,0:36:30.240
might have to cover a little more ground
0:36:26.720,0:36:32.520
to find cows to locate them but that's
0:36:30.240,0:36:35.319
extremely effective that's exactly what
0:36:32.520,0:36:37.280
I'm looking for is these busted up
0:36:35.319,0:36:39.920
groups you know go out locate if I hear
0:36:37.280,0:36:41.440
cows then that's exactly what I want
0:36:39.920,0:36:44.359
because I'm G to slip right in there now
0:36:41.440,0:36:47.440
I do your Couts are getting more range
0:36:44.359,0:36:50.560
on them too y so a lot of times if you I
0:36:47.440,0:36:53.720
do I started doing this about two years
0:36:50.560,0:36:55.119
ago heavily started doing it last year
0:36:53.720,0:36:56.800
I've always done it during the winter
0:36:55.119,0:36:58.480
time frame where I would go out just
0:36:56.800,0:37:00.720
before daylight
0:36:58.480,0:37:02.280
do my locating and then hunt those CS as
0:37:00.720,0:37:05.560
soon as it got daylight so there wasn't
0:37:02.280,0:37:07.680
much time for them to move I've also
0:37:05.560,0:37:10.880
started using that approach during the
0:37:07.680,0:37:13.560
family bust up time frame because that
0:37:10.880,0:37:16.599
helps you stay right on top of those CS
0:37:13.560,0:37:18.560
because during den and cering time frame
0:37:16.599,0:37:20.240
prior to B bust up starting you can go
0:37:18.560,0:37:21.599
out and locate theight and hunt them
0:37:20.240,0:37:25.040
next week they're still right there in
0:37:21.599,0:37:26.720
the same spot now and prime example was
0:37:25.040,0:37:29.599
just the other day I located some cows
0:37:26.720,0:37:31.839
about an hour foror daylight on a they
0:37:29.599,0:37:33.079
were on a smz creek it's just a creek
0:37:31.839,0:37:35.599
winding down between a bunch of
0:37:33.079,0:37:38.280
clearcuts and tickets Y and when I went
0:37:35.599,0:37:39.760
in there where I got a really good pin
0:37:38.280,0:37:42.359
on them they were probably
0:37:39.760,0:37:44.760
only two to three hundred yards off the
0:37:42.359,0:37:46.720
gravel when they how that morning and
0:37:44.760,0:37:49.400
they were scattered out the farthest Co
0:37:46.720,0:37:52.599
was probably 400 yards and the nearest
0:37:49.400,0:37:55.920
one no more than 100 150 yards scattered
0:37:52.599,0:37:57.760
out down that Creek well hour hour and a
0:37:55.920,0:38:00.440
half later I get in there to hunt them
0:37:57.760,0:38:03.119
and I sat down in the first couple hows
0:38:00.440,0:38:06.000
pup hows nothing answered nothing come
0:38:03.119,0:38:08.000
in I said hm and I thought I was right
0:38:06.000,0:38:09.920
on top of them I knew I was right on top
0:38:08.000,0:38:12.760
of them and expected something to be
0:38:09.920,0:38:15.520
there quick so I sit there a few more
0:38:12.760,0:38:16.920
minutes nothing showed up so I kicked on
0:38:15.520,0:38:20.000
and this kind of goes back to one of the
0:38:16.920,0:38:22.280
things I said earlier on about using
0:38:20.000,0:38:24.920
some of these longer drawn out adult
0:38:22.280,0:38:26.960
house to try to get a vocal response I
0:38:24.920,0:38:30.560
kicked on come here lonely house which
0:38:26.960,0:38:33.560
you know a longer drawn out and these
0:38:30.560,0:38:35.680
things answered and they're 6 700 yards
0:38:33.560,0:38:37.760
on down the creek in an hour's time
0:38:35.680,0:38:41.640
frame the whole group has moved they
0:38:37.760,0:38:44.760
were still kind of scattered but that
0:38:41.640,0:38:46.720
whole group had moved way on down the
0:38:44.760,0:38:49.920
creek right so and this is in thick
0:38:46.720,0:38:53.200
stuff so you know in six 700 yards and
0:38:49.920,0:38:55.200
in thicker stuff makes me have to make a
0:38:53.200,0:38:58.040
move on the C and so I did I cut the
0:38:55.200,0:39:00.680
distance down to where I thought I was
0:38:58.040,0:39:04.040
probably two to 300 yards from the
0:39:00.680,0:39:06.920
nearest cow that had howed and sat down
0:39:04.040,0:39:09.599
and and had one come in pretty quick and
0:39:06.920,0:39:11.520
then made a short little move to where I
0:39:09.599,0:39:13.720
thought the bulk of the rest of them at
0:39:11.520,0:39:15.480
H and called up and killed another one
0:39:13.720,0:39:17.400
right and I couldn't get any I really
0:39:15.480,0:39:19.079
thought I'd get another one or two but I
0:39:17.400,0:39:22.480
was dealing with some swirling winds and
0:39:19.079,0:39:25.440
stuff I got two out of the deal um after
0:39:22.480,0:39:27.880
doing that but to to answer the question
0:39:25.440,0:39:29.839
yeah locating is
0:39:27.880,0:39:31.920
great this time of the year you just
0:39:29.839,0:39:35.040
need to make some small adjustments to
0:39:31.920,0:39:37.400
it that differ from den and puer in time
0:39:35.040,0:39:39.319
frame do your locating closer to when
0:39:37.400,0:39:42.160
you're planning on Hunting if possible
0:39:39.319,0:39:44.160
just because your information isn't good
0:39:42.160,0:39:48.839
as a long a period of time you need to
0:39:44.160,0:39:51.079
act on quick yep yep and you may have to
0:39:48.839,0:39:52.079
depending on what stage you know you may
0:39:51.079,0:39:54.599
have
0:39:52.079,0:39:58.040
to you may have to cover a little more
0:39:54.599,0:40:00.760
seems like I hear more CS during July
0:39:58.040,0:40:03.400
and August I'll hear more groups as far
0:40:00.760,0:40:06.400
as if I cover the same amount of ground
0:40:03.400,0:40:08.079
a lot of times I'll hear more groups
0:40:06.400,0:40:10.359
than I do this time of the year the
0:40:08.079,0:40:12.480
vocals start fading a little bit but
0:40:10.359,0:40:14.880
yeah if you can hear them and and get a
0:40:12.480,0:40:16.440
pen on them man that's Dynamite because
0:40:14.880,0:40:18.599
you can slip right in there and a lot of
0:40:16.440,0:40:20.680
times kill multiple CS hey it's just
0:40:18.599,0:40:23.160
like we talked about if you're a Night
0:40:20.680,0:40:24.400
Hunter um you know if you hear kyot
0:40:23.160,0:40:25.560
howling and you got time to hunt you can
0:40:24.400,0:40:28.560
go right after them right in and get
0:40:25.560,0:40:30.640
them killed um yeah another exciting
0:40:28.560,0:40:33.400
thing talking about night hunting one of
0:40:30.640,0:40:35.920
our next podcasts is going to be over n
0:40:33.400,0:40:38.720
hunting and we've got the great Joey
0:40:35.920,0:40:41.200
worth coming on the fox Pro podcast you
0:40:38.720,0:40:43.920
guys definitely do not want to miss that
0:40:41.200,0:40:47.079
longtime friend of ours
0:40:43.920,0:40:49.640
uh how long has he been running Fox mfk
0:40:47.079,0:40:51.359
Tory long time I mean just can't since
0:40:49.640,0:40:52.880
since he got started I mean he that's
0:40:51.359,0:40:55.200
what he got started with and he's been
0:40:52.880,0:40:58.119
with it ever since and Joey has turn
0:40:55.200,0:40:59.960
Joey is there's been a couple people
0:40:58.119,0:41:03.200
that have that I've hunted with that
0:40:59.960,0:41:06.000
have been extremely impressive with how
0:41:03.200,0:41:08.480
fast they progress with something Y and
0:41:06.000,0:41:11.240
Joey Joey is one of them Greg is another
0:41:08.480,0:41:13.760
one they they just pick this stuff and
0:41:11.240,0:41:16.400
there's several other examples of that
0:41:13.760,0:41:19.839
but those are a couple that Joey in
0:41:16.400,0:41:23.359
particular coming from
0:41:19.839,0:41:25.680
basically not not doing it not having a
0:41:23.359,0:41:28.319
hunting background picking it up having
0:41:25.680,0:41:30.440
an interest in it and then taking it and
0:41:28.319,0:41:34.200
turning it into what he does for a
0:41:30.440,0:41:37.480
living so pretty impressive stuff with
0:41:34.200,0:41:40.000
with what what Joey has done in just a
0:41:37.480,0:41:41.560
few short years people that especially
0:41:40.000,0:41:44.240
if they're new to it or even if they're
0:41:41.560,0:41:47.280
not Joey somebody you want to tune into
0:41:44.240,0:41:50.240
because of what he's done yep in such a
0:41:47.280,0:41:53.319
short period of time yep yep he's uh
0:41:50.240,0:41:55.400
he's definitely quickly turned into uh
0:41:53.319,0:41:56.640
one of the best coyot callers in the
0:41:55.400,0:41:58.720
country and that's the reason he's going
0:41:56.640,0:42:00.240
to be on here can't wait to can't wait
0:41:58.720,0:42:02.160
to bring it guys you all it's going to
0:42:00.240,0:42:05.160
be a good one I I'm excited to have him
0:42:02.160,0:42:07.520
on here um let's move right along we
0:42:05.160,0:42:10.760
talked about all these hey the only the
0:42:07.520,0:42:14.160
only downfall to uh to Joy he
0:42:10.760,0:42:16.400
Yankee he got a little yank to him don't
0:42:14.160,0:42:19.520
he says he's a closet Southerner but and
0:42:16.400,0:42:21.480
that's just a joke I like everybody but
0:42:19.520,0:42:23.040
I always pick it Joey when he first come
0:42:21.480,0:42:25.400
down here and hunted with me I used to
0:42:23.040,0:42:27.720
pick at him because uh he was one of the
0:42:25.400,0:42:29.440
wor Yankees I had hunted with and any
0:42:27.720,0:42:32.000
now we're good friends so I always try
0:42:29.440,0:42:33.920
to I always try to get them them jokes
0:42:32.000,0:42:35.520
in there we'll we'll poke it he'll make
0:42:33.920,0:42:37.680
fun of me and I'll make a little fun of
0:42:35.520,0:42:39.920
him so and I got several buddies that do
0:42:37.680,0:42:42.160
that with but had to throw that in there
0:42:39.920,0:42:46.240
get my jab in while he sitting here to
0:42:42.160,0:42:48.200
jab back perfect time perfect time
0:42:46.240,0:42:51.480
what's Let's uh let's go ahead and give
0:42:48.200,0:42:53.400
everybody a like you're kind of your
0:42:51.480,0:42:55.000
calling style we went over the type of
0:42:53.400,0:42:56.960
sounds we're going that we like to run
0:42:55.000,0:42:58.760
this time of year but let's put it all
0:42:56.960,0:43:02.520
together together give them a family
0:42:58.760,0:43:04.440
bust up calling sequence from Tory cook
0:43:02.520,0:43:07.359
of mfk game
0:43:04.440,0:43:10.720
calls all right what I what I typically
0:43:07.359,0:43:13.720
do is I most of the time I'll start out
0:43:10.720,0:43:16.040
with one adult tole something that's
0:43:13.720,0:43:17.920
long and drawn out I'm I'm basically
0:43:16.040,0:43:19.640
looking for a vocal response so I'm GNA
0:43:17.920,0:43:22.280
use something like come here lonely
0:43:19.640,0:43:24.520
house Boon lone Wine House some of those
0:43:22.280,0:43:27.760
that people have heard us talk about
0:43:24.520,0:43:30.839
bougie homick juice lonely that's going
0:43:27.760,0:43:33.760
to be the first to that I let out and
0:43:30.839,0:43:36.839
then I go right to those pup house and
0:43:33.760,0:43:38.079
here lately I've been using the uh the
0:43:36.839,0:43:42.040
Dempsey
0:43:38.079,0:43:44.680
hoodlum uh bhead pup house those are the
0:43:42.040,0:43:46.800
main ones that I've been using in years
0:43:44.680,0:43:49.640
past if people have some of the older
0:43:46.800,0:43:53.040
sounds it's going to be those bam little
0:43:49.640,0:43:55.119
be bougie they're all equally good that
0:43:53.040,0:43:58.040
young C how that you mentioned from Fox
0:43:55.119,0:44:02.000
Pro stuff like that and I'ma going to do
0:43:58.040,0:44:05.200
you know one two three uh different pup
0:44:02.000,0:44:08.520
house yep and a lot of times I'm
0:44:05.200,0:44:10.040
expecting my first SC to show up deing
0:44:08.520,0:44:13.400
one of those pup house and a lot of
0:44:10.040,0:44:16.440
times they do from there I roll right
0:44:13.400,0:44:18.720
into the social interaction sounds I've
0:44:16.440,0:44:22.040
been heavy on greeting wines that piled
0:44:18.720,0:44:24.599
up Cal coats really good luck with greet
0:44:22.040,0:44:26.440
and wines following those pupils if
0:44:24.599,0:44:28.160
nothing shows up on that I'm probably
0:44:26.440,0:44:31.520
going to play submissive beggar
0:44:28.160,0:44:33.960
submissive tap out to follow that and
0:44:31.520,0:44:36.520
you know I'm only playing couple minutes
0:44:33.960,0:44:39.400
two three minutes of each at the most
0:44:36.520,0:44:42.280
and if nothing shows up on that I'm
0:44:39.400,0:44:44.079
usually rolling right in to those pup
0:44:42.280,0:44:47.160
fights this time of the year I typically
0:44:44.079,0:44:49.680
skip over the the clean pup distress
0:44:47.160,0:44:52.280
because you have pup distress mixed in
0:44:49.680,0:44:53.880
with the pup fights so I usually go
0:44:52.280,0:44:55.920
right to the pup
0:44:53.880,0:44:58.200
fights there I know we didn't I don't
0:44:55.920,0:45:00.079
think we mentioned some of the some of
0:44:58.200,0:45:02.559
the favorite pup fights so I'll do that
0:45:00.079,0:45:05.440
now and on a particular stand I'll just
0:45:02.559,0:45:07.920
grab any one or two or three of these
0:45:05.440,0:45:10.800
pup fights that I'm about to mention so
0:45:07.920,0:45:14.040
out of some of the older pup fights I
0:45:10.800,0:45:16.880
really like the The dous Sounds there's
0:45:14.040,0:45:20.240
two of them I like them both uh at one
0:45:16.880,0:45:23.079
point I liked then dishes to the best in
0:45:20.240,0:45:25.240
later years I've probably favored Den
0:45:23.079,0:45:27.359
vicious the original a little more but
0:45:25.240,0:45:31.520
they are both excellent use a lot of
0:45:27.359,0:45:34.640
those um for pup fights I really like
0:45:31.520,0:45:37.839
any of the pup fights that have stanky
0:45:34.640,0:45:41.920
involved so if you see little be and
0:45:37.839,0:45:43.280
stanky or bam stanky I really like those
0:45:41.920,0:45:46.839
pup fights there's two or three
0:45:43.280,0:45:50.040
different age classes of different coats
0:45:46.839,0:45:53.200
fighting with stanky and they're they're
0:45:50.040,0:45:56.520
just Killers I've one of my alltime
0:45:53.200,0:45:59.480
favorites is Bam stanky eight week yep
0:45:56.520,0:46:02.280
um I really like little be stanky three
0:45:59.480,0:46:05.000
week but any of those that are that are
0:46:02.280,0:46:08.280
that have stanky if it's a if it's a CO
0:46:05.000,0:46:11.960
fighting stanky a pup fight it's a
0:46:08.280,0:46:14.559
killer and then uh the stuff that I have
0:46:11.960,0:46:16.440
been using this summer just testing some
0:46:14.559,0:46:20.200
of the new sounds really good luck with
0:46:16.440,0:46:23.760
them I've been using uh bone battle and
0:46:20.200,0:46:26.160
brokeup brawl and I've had some really
0:46:23.760,0:46:28.119
good Callins matter of fact that post I
0:46:26.160,0:46:31.280
made today B bone battle and broke up
0:46:28.119,0:46:33.079
brawl were the pup fights that that I
0:46:31.280,0:46:36.280
were favoring and the unique thing about
0:46:33.079,0:46:38.839
bone battle is it's actually a pup fight
0:46:36.280,0:46:41.920
over food so you get that extra trigger
0:46:38.839,0:46:44.359
in it to where it is a not only a pup
0:46:41.920,0:46:46.040
fight but it's also a food fight and
0:46:44.359,0:46:48.160
then you get some extra sounds
0:46:46.040,0:46:50.920
associated with food fighting with that
0:46:48.160,0:46:53.640
and then that brokeup brawl sound is
0:46:50.920,0:46:55.200
exactly what happens that we were
0:46:53.640,0:46:57.920
talking about earlier you have these
0:46:55.200,0:46:59.680
busted up coats they come back together
0:46:57.920,0:47:01.680
they meet and greet and then in a second
0:46:59.680,0:47:03.720
they're in a fight and that's what broke
0:47:01.680,0:47:05.839
that's where broke up brawl came from it
0:47:03.720,0:47:10.079
was recorded during the family bust up
0:47:05.839,0:47:11.880
time frame and doing exactly what
0:47:10.079,0:47:15.319
coyotes are doing this time of the year
0:47:11.880,0:47:17.920
that we're calling to so those are those
0:47:15.319,0:47:20.200
are some of the standouts and I I will
0:47:17.920,0:47:23.079
still end my sequence if nothing shows
0:47:20.200,0:47:25.520
up on those pup fights I will still end
0:47:23.079,0:47:27.960
my sequence with and I'm usually only
0:47:25.520,0:47:30.040
playing one or two uh of the adult
0:47:27.960,0:47:32.040
fights and I'm choosing from stuff that
0:47:30.040,0:47:35.040
people have heard us talk about on just
0:47:32.040,0:47:37.280
about every show but table scraps Pound
0:47:35.040,0:47:40.240
Town fight challenge and some of the
0:47:37.280,0:47:44.160
couple of the newer ones that I've added
0:47:40.240,0:47:46.599
that I really like are uh uh hot sauce
0:47:44.160,0:47:48.839
and Fire Sauce Y and I'm usually playing
0:47:46.599,0:47:51.319
one or two you know picking something
0:47:48.839,0:47:53.960
from those five or six Sounds playing
0:47:51.319,0:47:55.920
one or two of them to end my stand
0:47:53.960,0:47:58.079
there's another fight that I've used a
0:47:55.920,0:47:59.440
little bit uh just kind of testing it
0:47:58.079,0:48:01.079
it's hard for me to pull away some of
0:47:59.440,0:48:03.040
these fights that I'm so used to CU I
0:48:01.079,0:48:05.559
have so much success with them but uh I
0:48:03.040,0:48:07.640
can't even remember what it might be
0:48:05.559,0:48:10.200
Fireball and Dempsey I know Dempsey's in
0:48:07.640,0:48:13.520
it but it's a eight-week rematch what
0:48:10.200,0:48:15.520
sound is that oh man I wish I'm glad you
0:48:13.520,0:48:17.720
mentioned it yeah Fireball Dempsey
0:48:15.520,0:48:20.760
Fireball Dempsey yeah yep Fireball
0:48:17.720,0:48:22.520
Dempsey rematch that
0:48:20.760,0:48:25.720
is I think
0:48:22.520,0:48:28.359
it's I forgot two of them I forgot two
0:48:25.720,0:48:30.640
of them because I ran those last summer
0:48:28.359,0:48:33.040
with great success we smoked them in
0:48:30.640,0:48:35.359
Tennessee with it Pound Town pups and
0:48:33.040,0:48:37.640
Fireball Dempsey rematch were sounds
0:48:35.359,0:48:38.960
that I was testing running you know pup
0:48:37.640,0:48:42.160
fights that I was testing running
0:48:38.960,0:48:43.680
towards the end of of last summer Y and
0:48:42.160,0:48:45.599
I hadn't played them much this summer
0:48:43.680,0:48:47.760
because I'm using these these newer
0:48:45.599,0:48:50.319
sounds but I'm glad you remembered those
0:48:47.760,0:48:52.240
because that's some stuff that I've
0:48:50.319,0:48:55.359
played it a little bit here as of late
0:48:52.240,0:48:57.799
that fireball Dempsey eight-week rematch
0:48:55.359,0:49:00.000
it's like when you when I first put all
0:48:57.799,0:49:01.400
these sounds on my call it just you know
0:49:00.000,0:49:02.960
I always like to listen to everything so
0:49:01.400,0:49:06.160
I can tell what they are how long they
0:49:02.960,0:49:08.079
run out where the loop is all that type
0:49:06.160,0:49:10.160
stuff where I can hit pauses if I want
0:49:08.079,0:49:13.520
you know so I just go through everything
0:49:10.160,0:49:15.440
soon as I heard that sound I like oh man
0:49:13.520,0:49:17.440
when you when you hear that sound you
0:49:15.440,0:49:20.200
know it's going to be a good one I think
0:49:17.440,0:49:24.000
it's just it's a stand out to my ear and
0:49:20.200,0:49:27.720
the Kyle seem to like it too so yeah
0:49:24.000,0:49:29.599
fireb one of those I know jumped out at
0:49:27.720,0:49:33.440
you because it is
0:49:29.599,0:49:35.240
extremely vicious yeah that is a vicious
0:49:33.440,0:49:38.319
fight I mean and you pick up on it as
0:49:35.240,0:49:39.440
soon as it comes on um yeah I'm glad you
0:49:38.319,0:49:40.760
thought of that one because that's
0:49:39.440,0:49:45.160
that's definitely one that doesn't need
0:49:40.760,0:49:46.799
left out but uh yeah so I mean what are
0:49:45.160,0:49:48.160
you what's your sequence what are you
0:49:46.799,0:49:50.480
doing I know it's probably pretty
0:49:48.160,0:49:52.920
similar very very similar a little
0:49:50.480,0:49:55.520
different um and I change it up from
0:49:52.920,0:49:57.760
time to time um I am starting my
0:49:55.520,0:49:59.839
standoff with house and I'm usually
0:49:57.760,0:50:03.799
running three different
0:49:59.839,0:50:06.480
sounds U for house uh usually it's uh
0:50:03.799,0:50:09.160
it's either one adult lead off with one
0:50:06.480,0:50:11.559
adult answer it back with a pup and then
0:50:09.160,0:50:13.960
I'll my third how will be a group how
0:50:11.559,0:50:16.760
like a par how I like sister Parow it's
0:50:13.960,0:50:18.359
it's great uh some of the fox Pro Group
0:50:16.760,0:50:22.240
House are really good to follow up in
0:50:18.359,0:50:25.280
there as well um the only time that I
0:50:22.240,0:50:27.799
and sometimes I'll just run one adult
0:50:25.280,0:50:29.680
and two different pups or I'll go pup
0:50:27.799,0:50:31.160
pup and then group house but it's always
0:50:29.680,0:50:33.599
three different house I just like
0:50:31.160,0:50:35.319
running three different house and then
0:50:33.599,0:50:37.839
after that instead of going straight
0:50:35.319,0:50:39.880
into the social sounds that's when I Mi
0:50:37.839,0:50:41.599
I like to mix in my prey to stress
0:50:39.880,0:50:44.160
sounds so I'll run one of my favorite
0:50:41.599,0:50:46.160
rabbits uh one of my favorite Birds you
0:50:44.160,0:50:48.720
know I swap it up a little bit this time
0:50:46.160,0:50:50.760
frame and I only play it for a short
0:50:48.720,0:50:54.000
time like two minutes or something like
0:50:50.760,0:50:56.880
that just kind of just kind of setting
0:50:54.000,0:50:59.720
that uh setting a stage I guess kind of
0:50:56.880,0:51:02.599
playing uh playing something out of just
0:50:59.720,0:51:04.280
some house a group of Coes come together
0:51:02.599,0:51:06.839
they get they find them a rabbit or
0:51:04.280,0:51:09.200
something like that then they social
0:51:06.839,0:51:10.720
stuff starts up so I go right into the
0:51:09.200,0:51:14.079
social sounds after that I'm usually
0:51:10.720,0:51:17.240
just playing one to two social sounds um
0:51:14.079,0:51:19.680
a lot of times too uh submissive beggar
0:51:17.240,0:51:21.760
it's always it's always in there and
0:51:19.680,0:51:23.799
then over the last two years I've been
0:51:21.760,0:51:25.880
playing the greeting wines I really like
0:51:23.799,0:51:28.240
greeting wines because it just became a
0:51:25.880,0:51:31.040
standout quick so I'm running three
0:51:28.240,0:51:33.960
house a little bit of prey distress
0:51:31.040,0:51:35.319
social sounds one to two different ones
0:51:33.960,0:51:38.440
and then I go right into those pup
0:51:35.319,0:51:42.880
fights myself just like you said earlier
0:51:38.440,0:51:44.960
love the den vicious sounds um I have
0:51:42.880,0:51:48.200
here lately played that fireball Dempsey
0:51:44.960,0:51:50.359
8we rematch quite a bit I really really
0:51:48.200,0:51:52.839
like that and then I'm going right in
0:51:50.359,0:51:54.319
the table scraps I've had this is
0:51:52.839,0:51:56.920
probably my favorite time of year to run
0:51:54.319,0:51:59.760
table scraps I've just seen such great
0:51:56.920,0:52:01.680
success from it from o October November
0:51:59.760,0:52:04.200
time frame and then I'm usually
0:52:01.680,0:52:07.720
finishing up with like fight challenge
0:52:04.200,0:52:08.720
so three hows a pre distress a couple
0:52:07.720,0:52:12.559
social
0:52:08.720,0:52:16.160
sounds one to two pup fights then right
0:52:12.559,0:52:17.280
into two more fights table scraps and uh
0:52:16.160,0:52:20.240
and fight
0:52:17.280,0:52:23.920
challenge pretty pretty similar I forgot
0:52:20.240,0:52:27.319
to add the group pal in I used to I used
0:52:23.920,0:52:29.680
to run group Pals a lot more than I have
0:52:27.319,0:52:31.559
this summer I've still got one in
0:52:29.680,0:52:33.559
particular that I've been running I just
0:52:31.559,0:52:36.599
forgot to mention it a while
0:52:33.559,0:52:38.359
ago on my older stuff and both of these
0:52:36.599,0:52:39.760
type sequences work really well it's
0:52:38.359,0:52:41.559
more a sequence like what you were
0:52:39.760,0:52:44.040
talking about running but I used to
0:52:41.559,0:52:45.520
would run those kind of what you you're
0:52:44.040,0:52:47.319
talking about three or four different
0:52:45.520,0:52:49.079
houss I'd usually start with an adult
0:52:47.319,0:52:51.200
follow with one or two of those pups
0:52:49.079,0:52:53.880
usually it was something like bam and
0:52:51.200,0:52:56.880
little be or bougie and then I would go
0:52:53.880,0:52:59.480
to happy yappy group or happy family for
0:52:56.880,0:53:01.720
the group out here lately I've been
0:52:59.480,0:53:03.319
running those burad I've been starting
0:53:01.720,0:53:06.760
with something like come here lonely
0:53:03.319,0:53:09.720
going to bhead follow that with hoodlum
0:53:06.760,0:53:12.200
follow that with Dempsey maybe and then
0:53:09.720,0:53:15.799
I go the sound that I left out was sweet
0:53:12.200,0:53:18.559
and sour group I love that sound because
0:53:15.799,0:53:20.880
it was recorded it's a group pile that
0:53:18.559,0:53:21.960
was recorded after the cats came back
0:53:20.880,0:53:24.640
together they kind of have a meet and
0:53:21.960,0:53:26.720
greet they break into this group out and
0:53:24.640,0:53:28.559
then at the tail end of it they can't
0:53:26.720,0:53:31.000
even get along long enough to get the
0:53:28.559,0:53:32.680
group finished they getting a little bit
0:53:31.000,0:53:34.920
of a fight right there on the tail end
0:53:32.680,0:53:37.520
of that group pile I've had coachs come
0:53:34.920,0:53:39.480
running in while that sound is playing
0:53:37.520,0:53:43.040
and just love it but it's sweet and sour
0:53:39.480,0:53:45.559
group and I do mix it in behind those I
0:53:43.040,0:53:48.119
have not played that in the field yet
0:53:45.559,0:53:49.920
and I I need to try that I need to make
0:53:48.119,0:53:51.880
like I said usually my third sound is
0:53:49.920,0:53:53.839
going to be a group pal I need to throw
0:53:51.880,0:53:55.559
that throw that in there and another
0:53:53.839,0:53:58.200
sounds I haven't used and you mentioned
0:53:55.559,0:53:59.680
earlier and I remember we hunted back in
0:53:58.200,0:54:01.000
March you were mentioning them I think
0:53:59.680,0:54:03.040
you played a little bit of them out
0:54:01.000,0:54:06.599
there but was that hot sauce and Fire
0:54:03.040,0:54:09.520
Sauce I just you know that's one of the
0:54:06.599,0:54:12.520
things about having so many sounds it
0:54:09.520,0:54:14.079
it's it's that's one of the good things
0:54:12.520,0:54:15.960
you know you got a lot of sounds that's
0:54:14.079,0:54:17.680
going to work so it's hard to sometimes
0:54:15.960,0:54:19.160
it's hard to pull away from those sounds
0:54:17.680,0:54:21.240
that you know you going to have a c
0:54:19.160,0:54:23.480
running to but I need to start mixing
0:54:21.240,0:54:25.119
those in at hot sauce and Fire Sauce cuz
0:54:23.480,0:54:26.440
they're on my call I need to start
0:54:25.119,0:54:29.079
running them see what they're all about
0:54:26.440,0:54:31.960
out turn the field the next time you get
0:54:29.079,0:54:33.640
some booger barking coats especially if
0:54:31.960,0:54:35.119
they especially if they hadn't smad you
0:54:33.640,0:54:38.040
you know they're just spicious booger
0:54:35.119,0:54:41.839
barking play those hot sauce Fire Sauce
0:54:38.040,0:54:44.920
sounds I've had a I've had a lot of luck
0:54:41.839,0:54:46.720
with hauling up you know booger barking
0:54:44.920,0:54:49.319
coats with them suspicious coats getting
0:54:46.720,0:54:53.200
them to break and uh and the way that I
0:54:49.319,0:54:55.040
use them this time of the year is I'm
0:54:53.200,0:54:56.839
typically not playing very much of them
0:54:55.040,0:54:58.559
they're extremely aggressive play them
0:54:56.839,0:55:00.720
for just a second and then fall right
0:54:58.559,0:55:03.119
into just while they're playing soon as
0:55:00.720,0:55:06.000
I hit the play on hot sauce or Fire
0:55:03.119,0:55:08.000
Sauce I'll let while they're playing
0:55:06.000,0:55:10.640
just as soon as they crank up I'm
0:55:08.000,0:55:12.079
scrolling to a different fight you know
0:55:10.640,0:55:14.040
something that's got more growling and
0:55:12.079,0:55:15.760
stuff in it so I'll let that go for a
0:55:14.040,0:55:18.160
second and then I'm falling right into
0:55:15.760,0:55:20.880
one of those other P fights or adult
0:55:18.160,0:55:23.039
fights that we mentioned and just kind
0:55:20.880,0:55:24.680
of going back and forth I'll let that
0:55:23.039,0:55:27.880
fight play for a minute and then I'll
0:55:24.680,0:55:30.359
kick back on to to that and one thing I
0:55:27.880,0:55:32.680
am really interested in trying I know
0:55:30.359,0:55:34.599
they're right around the corner I'm
0:55:32.680,0:55:37.480
really interested I've never been a guy
0:55:34.599,0:55:39.520
that plays mult mixes sounds because
0:55:37.480,0:55:44.079
usually I have them on my call already
0:55:39.520,0:55:47.000
yeah but I am very interested in mixing
0:55:44.079,0:55:49.720
hot sauce or Fire Sauce over the top of
0:55:47.000,0:55:51.640
some of these other fights because it's
0:55:49.720,0:55:56.599
create a really with Fox Fusion on the
0:55:51.640,0:55:59.400
360 or yeah or x48 yeah x48 yeah I'm I'm
0:55:56.599,0:56:00.160
looking for those are those are a couple
0:55:59.400,0:56:03.880
of
0:56:00.160,0:56:07.240
sounds that I think are going to shine
0:56:03.880,0:56:09.640
on a feature like that because a lot of
0:56:07.240,0:56:11.520
times when you get two cows fighting
0:56:09.640,0:56:13.400
you'll have some satellite Coots that
0:56:11.520,0:56:15.160
are running around barking and carrying
0:56:13.400,0:56:17.720
on and kind of acting like they they're
0:56:15.160,0:56:19.640
trash talking and you'll be able to cre
0:56:17.720,0:56:22.799
create that exact
0:56:19.640,0:56:25.160
scenario with uh with that so with with
0:56:22.799,0:56:27.160
hot sauce and Fire Sauce what what
0:56:25.160,0:56:30.039
fights are you usually right in there
0:56:27.160,0:56:32.440
right behind them or that you'll be
0:56:30.039,0:56:34.119
mixing I'll I'll do it with any of those
0:56:32.440,0:56:36.480
I mentioned earlier it may be one of the
0:56:34.119,0:56:38.119
pup fights like bam stanky or it may be
0:56:36.480,0:56:42.079
one of the adult fights like poundtown
0:56:38.119,0:56:44.160
or t just mixing those those back and
0:56:42.079,0:56:47.119
forth and the hot sauce and Fire Sauce
0:56:44.160,0:56:49.400
sounds were actually recorded during I
0:56:47.119,0:56:51.440
think we talked about this on other
0:56:49.400,0:56:54.720
podcast they were recorded during
0:56:51.440,0:56:57.480
breeding season when a female was trying
0:56:54.720,0:56:59.720
to choose who she was going to pair up
0:56:57.480,0:57:01.480
with between two males and so they're
0:56:59.720,0:57:03.680
getting into it I mean they're right in
0:57:01.480,0:57:05.760
each other's face yapping at each other
0:57:03.680,0:57:07.599
there's nothing booger barking about any
0:57:05.760,0:57:08.880
of this these are two cows cussing each
0:57:07.599,0:57:11.359
other out and getting into little
0:57:08.880,0:57:14.240
scuffles yeah stuff like and it's and
0:57:11.359,0:57:16.240
she is the one that's doing the bulk of
0:57:14.240,0:57:18.480
the cussing okay I mean she's just right
0:57:16.240,0:57:21.000
up in their face well
0:57:18.480,0:57:23.480
sounds yeah and then and then you would
0:57:21.000,0:57:24.880
have a couple of them getting the fight
0:57:23.480,0:57:26.760
and another one still standing there
0:57:24.880,0:57:29.359
barking and so
0:57:26.760,0:57:32.480
barking and yapping so it was that's
0:57:29.359,0:57:34.760
where I think mixing some of the there's
0:57:32.480,0:57:37.039
not a whole lot of that but with that
0:57:34.760,0:57:39.039
box Fusion you'll be able to create a a
0:57:37.039,0:57:41.559
little bit bigger Longer scenario that's
0:57:39.039,0:57:43.440
something I'm interested in uh in trying
0:57:41.559,0:57:45.880
yeah I can't wait to put it in the put
0:57:43.440,0:57:47.480
it in the works as well and uh I want to
0:57:45.880,0:57:49.119
go back like on the sequence stuff there
0:57:47.480,0:57:53.599
a little bit just to let you guys know
0:57:49.119,0:57:56.760
I'm usually constantly like kind of
0:57:53.599,0:57:59.240
changing my sequence up subtly
0:57:56.760,0:58:01.520
like when I let out those first three
0:57:59.240,0:58:03.240
hows and then go right into a pray
0:58:01.520,0:58:05.559
distress and Then followed up with those
0:58:03.240,0:58:06.280
social sounds and stuff like that if
0:58:05.559,0:58:08.839
it's
0:58:06.280,0:58:11.280
working I usually keep running with it
0:58:08.839,0:58:12.839
until I start making some dry stands and
0:58:11.280,0:58:15.599
usually what I'll start do I just start
0:58:12.839,0:58:18.359
changing the order up Tory like I'll let
0:58:15.599,0:58:19.640
my two to three different hows out and
0:58:18.359,0:58:21.240
then instead of going straight to pray
0:58:19.640,0:58:24.160
distress I go right into my social
0:58:21.240,0:58:25.920
sounds and then bump pra stress back a
0:58:24.160,0:58:29.119
back a notch you know maybe bring it in
0:58:25.920,0:58:30.880
after after the social sounds so right
0:58:29.119,0:58:32.640
and and all that stuff works just like I
0:58:30.880,0:58:35.480
said earlier there's many many right
0:58:32.640,0:58:37.520
ways to call in and Co so I just want
0:58:35.480,0:58:39.440
you guys to be thinking you ain't always
0:58:37.520,0:58:41.480
got to whatever we say you can change it
0:58:39.440,0:58:42.960
up to fit your calling style it's just
0:58:41.480,0:58:44.720
the type of stuff we just want to share
0:58:42.960,0:58:46.160
with you guys what we like to run and
0:58:44.720,0:58:48.319
how we go about it and what we've had
0:58:46.160,0:58:51.400
success with and if you can use the same
0:58:48.319,0:58:53.319
exact thing and call coyotes up hey
0:58:51.400,0:58:57.200
awesome awesome that's what it's all
0:58:53.319,0:58:58.880
about right that's that's right
0:58:57.200,0:59:01.960
let's see here man we've been on here
0:58:58.880,0:59:03.359
almost an hour surely I got something
0:59:01.960,0:59:05.760
else we can talk about real quick before
0:59:03.359,0:59:10.000
we can get off here we're doing good
0:59:05.760,0:59:13.039
covering in an hour yeah yeah
0:59:10.000,0:59:14.960
um when would you say there and you can
0:59:13.039,0:59:18.520
you can answer this just briefly you
0:59:14.960,0:59:20.960
know you mentioned pup dispersal earlier
0:59:18.520,0:59:24.079
uh when do you think it like was it like
0:59:20.960,0:59:27.119
a you know average time frame when the
0:59:24.079,0:59:28.440
actual dispersal for your group of coyes
0:59:27.119,0:59:30.880
like we said you know some of them was
0:59:28.440,0:59:32.559
going to cling cling around and stay
0:59:30.880,0:59:34.520
with the family group stay with Mom and
0:59:32.559,0:59:37.079
Dad for maybe possibly a couple years
0:59:34.520,0:59:40.160
being a helper Coy but like your main
0:59:37.079,0:59:42.119
group of of Yearling coyes when do they
0:59:40.160,0:59:44.720
actually disperse on
0:59:42.119,0:59:47.319
average I think a lot of that a lot of
0:59:44.720,0:59:50.039
your actual dispersal takes place it
0:59:47.319,0:59:52.799
kind of happens over the course of of
0:59:50.039,0:59:54.559
that year until the next pups are born
0:59:52.799,0:59:58.039
but I think a lot of it happens around
0:59:54.559,0:59:58.039
your pairing breeding time
0:59:58.880,1:00:03.359
yeah yeah I think that's when a lot of
1:00:00.880,1:00:04.480
it happens and something that you know
1:00:03.359,1:00:08.119
some of the people that are out there
1:00:04.480,1:00:10.240
hunting something that will that's my
1:00:08.119,1:00:12.319
theory on it I know that a lot of it
1:00:10.240,1:00:15.599
takes place at that time but something
1:00:12.319,1:00:19.319
evidence from hunting that will show you
1:00:15.599,1:00:21.160
some of this is you'll have people kill
1:00:19.319,1:00:23.240
you know two male coachs running
1:00:21.160,1:00:27.839
together and stuff like that and a lot
1:00:23.240,1:00:31.760
of times that is those are dispersed
1:00:27.839,1:00:34.079
transient males that are brothers y that
1:00:31.760,1:00:36.799
have kind of like some of them lines
1:00:34.079,1:00:38.440
will do if anybody watches the Safari
1:00:36.799,1:00:41.039
documentary stuff you know they'll go
1:00:38.440,1:00:43.960
out Band of Brothers and so sometimes
1:00:41.039,1:00:48.240
you'll have those those siblings those
1:00:43.960,1:00:51.000
litter mates that bust up and then
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disperse and you'll see some of that
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stuff when you're hunting when you call
1:00:52.240,1:00:56.880
in you know multiple coats and all of a
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sudden you've killed you know
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what you think's going to be a paired
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and you walk up there and there's two
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males or you know two females whatever
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and they look to be the same age a lot
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of that is happening and you see a lot
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of that during that pairing breeding
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time frame yep and so I think that's
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when the bulk of it and another thing
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that a lot of these GPS studies uh I was
1:01:18.440,1:01:21.960
I keep up with all that we've talked
1:01:19.960,1:01:25.920
about it before but I was just recently
1:01:21.960,1:01:29.119
watching One University of Florida um at
1:01:25.920,1:01:30.960
Marcus Lashley and uh uh he's got a
1:01:29.119,1:01:32.400
buddy can't think of his name right now
1:01:30.960,1:01:34.799
out of Tennessee I think he's out of
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Tennessee might be Alabama anyway they
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were talking about coat specifically
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related to turkeys they do a turkey
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podcast yep I listen to a lot of this
1:01:42.240,1:01:48.880
stuff while I'm building calls but they
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referenced multiple studies GPS studies
1:01:48.880,1:01:55.079
and several others specifically and this
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is not animal rights activist bull crap
1:01:55.079,1:02:00.599
these are legit biologist studies for
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their agenda is is right you know
1:02:00.599,1:02:04.599
they're trying to truly learn about the
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animals but anyway what they had come up
1:02:04.599,1:02:11.359
with on multiple separate studies done
1:02:06.960,1:02:15.000
by different biologists were that 70 to
1:02:11.359,1:02:18.960
80% of your C population are typically
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resident CS yep so you know that's
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that's another thing people can take
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into consideration especially during the
1:02:22.240,1:02:28.119
family bust up time frame and why pup
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dispersal is such a a slow process a lot
1:02:28.119,1:02:34.520
of those goats are remaining you know in
1:02:31.799,1:02:36.400
that home range as residents for a lot
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of the year before they actually
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disperse so and then of course most of
1:02:40.480,1:02:44.000
the time it's not long especially with
1:02:42.039,1:02:47.559
as many people hunting and killing cats
1:02:44.000,1:02:50.760
now those dispersed cats typically are
1:02:47.559,1:02:52.720
not transients very long because a cow
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gets killed somewhere something happens
1:02:52.720,1:02:58.720
and they take a spot and become a
1:02:55.359,1:03:01.359
resident C that's why those those
1:02:58.720,1:03:04.200
numbers uh you know kind of Follow That
1:03:01.359,1:03:06.240
pattern transient dispersed pups and all
1:03:04.200,1:03:09.920
that kind of stuff can usually find a
1:03:06.240,1:03:11.839
spot to feel final vo pretty quick which
1:03:09.920,1:03:13.720
which I guess it's the same deal too if
1:03:11.839,1:03:15.880
like somebody comes in and kills mom and
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dad before they're dispersed out I'm
1:03:15.880,1:03:20.799
assuming at least one of those coyotes
1:03:18.119,1:03:22.799
will just plant their res in try tell
1:03:20.799,1:03:25.000
where they were raised is that right or
1:03:22.799,1:03:27.079
yeah there there's a good chance that
1:03:25.000,1:03:29.760
they would have SP if you don't have you
1:03:27.079,1:03:31.680
know an older age class Transit come in
1:03:29.760,1:03:35.480
there and whoop them or something push
1:03:31.680,1:03:36.960
out you know something them or another C
1:03:35.480,1:03:39.119
and and then you have so many of the
1:03:36.960,1:03:41.200
pups talk you going back to your
1:03:39.119,1:03:42.960
question about when they do what I think
1:03:41.200,1:03:44.880
the bulk of them probably do it over the
1:03:42.960,1:03:48.160
course of that first year around that
1:03:44.880,1:03:50.599
breeding pairing time frame and then the
1:03:48.160,1:03:52.599
rest of them over the course of about
1:03:50.599,1:03:54.720
two years and a lot of the reason for
1:03:52.599,1:03:57.559
that these are usually females that are
1:03:54.720,1:03:59.720
staying in that home range with adults
1:03:57.559,1:04:02.279
where they were raised is because the
1:03:59.720,1:04:04.520
bulk of your female coats don't actually
1:04:02.279,1:04:06.520
participate in breeding they can they
1:04:04.520,1:04:08.599
can have pups at one year old that fancy
1:04:06.520,1:04:10.799
coat that that I got the black stff off
1:04:08.599,1:04:13.640
y she she breed and had pups at one year
1:04:10.799,1:04:16.680
old so they can breed and do have pups
1:04:13.640,1:04:19.079
at one year old but the majority of them
1:04:16.680,1:04:21.480
don't actually pair up and participate
1:04:19.079,1:04:24.000
in breeding until they're two years old
1:04:21.480,1:04:27.799
and so a lot of those female CS stay on
1:04:24.000,1:04:30.200
as resident home ran change coats in the
1:04:27.799,1:04:32.920
same they're not staying with them
1:04:30.200,1:04:34.720
necessarily but they're still tolerated
1:04:32.920,1:04:36.680
and are some of them some of them do
1:04:34.720,1:04:38.599
stay with the adults and help raise pups
1:04:36.680,1:04:42.240
but you'll have other ones that are you
1:04:38.599,1:04:46.480
know still in the home range and a
1:04:42.240,1:04:50.599
resident gos of those you know original
1:04:46.480,1:04:52.400
adults yeah so you know there's a that's
1:04:50.599,1:04:54.720
why I don't like the pup dispersal
1:04:52.400,1:04:57.200
because it's so spread out as far I mean
1:04:54.720,1:04:59.720
you're talking about some cods
1:04:57.200,1:05:02.440
dispersing they may disperse you know in
1:04:59.720,1:05:05.279
the first few months and other ones it
1:05:02.440,1:05:07.920
may take them two years that same litter
1:05:05.279,1:05:10.520
right so it's a it's a long
1:05:07.920,1:05:13.520
process good stuff I got one more
1:05:10.520,1:05:17.359
question for you and no
1:05:13.520,1:05:19.760
cheating give me give me three musthave
1:05:17.359,1:05:21.760
sounds for the family bust up time
1:05:19.760,1:05:24.319
period if you were just going to have
1:05:21.760,1:05:28.599
three sounds on your call water three
1:05:24.319,1:05:28.599
must have sounds for this time
1:05:30.760,1:05:36.520
period like said no no cheating no like
1:05:33.960,1:05:38.200
well I might Pi king or no it's three
1:05:36.520,1:05:42.079
give me three three of
1:05:38.200,1:05:44.720
them oh boy that that's that's pretty
1:05:42.079,1:05:46.039
tough to to just keep it to three
1:05:44.720,1:05:47.520
because you gotta have a how you gotta
1:05:46.039,1:05:49.359
have a social interaction you gotta have
1:05:47.520,1:05:50.839
a fight I'll let you I'll let you have
1:05:49.359,1:05:52.760
your mouth
1:05:50.839,1:05:54.279
diaphragm all right well if I got the
1:05:52.760,1:05:56.880
mouth diaphragm then that'll make it a
1:05:54.279,1:05:59.480
little easier because now I got my house
1:05:56.880,1:06:02.720
uh or or at least I've got my my locator
1:05:59.480,1:06:06.839
H with the diaphragm so I'm going to go
1:06:02.720,1:06:10.880
with I think I'm G to go
1:06:06.839,1:06:13.960
with bhead one of the bhead uh there's
1:06:10.880,1:06:17.400
bhead half grown bhead yodel I'll take
1:06:13.960,1:06:21.000
bhead half grown had good vocal response
1:06:17.400,1:06:23.880
and call UPS to that pup how and then
1:06:21.000,1:06:25.599
for a social and greeting wines has been
1:06:23.880,1:06:27.960
it's hard for me not to pick a miss
1:06:25.599,1:06:30.279
beggar because it's always been so good
1:06:27.960,1:06:32.760
but greeting wines has just been a
1:06:30.279,1:06:34.960
standout here lately so I'm going to go
1:06:32.760,1:06:37.119
greet and wines for the
1:06:34.960,1:06:40.799
Social and
1:06:37.119,1:06:42.799
then for the pup fight because I think
1:06:40.799,1:06:44.880
I'm gonna go pup fight for this time of
1:06:42.799,1:06:48.920
the year
1:06:44.880,1:06:54.200
um H I'm probably gonna go bam stanky
1:06:48.920,1:06:57.279
eight week a lot of that nice nice well
1:06:54.200,1:06:58.839
there you have it sounds good to me
1:06:57.279,1:07:01.920
what's your three you don't get off the
1:06:58.839,1:07:04.119
hook so easy do I get do I get do I get
1:07:01.920,1:07:06.839
a diaphragm yeah you can have you I'll
1:07:04.119,1:07:09.839
give you the same same deal all right
1:07:06.839,1:07:14.480
well take a
1:07:09.839,1:07:18.960
diaphragm and let's see let's see I want
1:07:14.480,1:07:23.319
to take U Fox proos Ki Cotton
1:07:18.960,1:07:27.599
Tail got to have that got to have it um
1:07:23.319,1:07:30.400
submissive beggar and table
1:07:27.599,1:07:32.520
scraps I think both sequences will kill
1:07:30.400,1:07:34.000
just fine got them I figured I can h on
1:07:32.520,1:07:36.319
that diaphragm I can let out a few
1:07:34.000,1:07:38.359
different sounds I can't do I can't do
1:07:36.319,1:07:42.240
table scraps very
1:07:38.359,1:07:43.720
good it be tough so so oh or the kgy
1:07:42.240,1:07:45.440
Cotton Tail so that's that's what I want
1:07:43.720,1:07:47.760
I'll have my I'll have my house on my
1:07:45.440,1:07:49.799
diaphragm and then I've got one of the
1:07:47.760,1:07:52.799
greatest rabbits ever recorded one of
1:07:49.799,1:07:56.039
the best food fights ever and probably
1:07:52.799,1:07:57.760
one of the if not the greatest so sound
1:07:56.039,1:07:59.599
ever submissive beggar plus that
1:07:57.760,1:08:02.839
submissive beggar it's kind of like on
1:07:59.599,1:08:04.960
the borderline of a submissive sound and
1:08:02.839,1:08:08.680
almost a pup distress it's like a subtle
1:08:04.960,1:08:12.319
pup distress so I like it yeah yeah yeah
1:08:08.680,1:08:15.559
I that's that's pretty stout Stout pick
1:08:12.319,1:08:17.400
I'd take either one of them well toy we
1:08:15.559,1:08:20.960
appreciate you coming on here buddy good
1:08:17.400,1:08:23.040
luck to you uh during deer season
1:08:20.960,1:08:24.319
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1:08:23.040,1:08:26.400
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1:08:24.319,1:08:28.560
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1:08:26.400,1:08:30.799
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know most effective right now this is
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this stuff we talked about it's going to
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be money all the way through this month
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