The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 60: Talking Wolves and Big Game Hunting with Kryptek's Butch Whiting

Episode Summary

FOXPRO's Jon Collins talks Wolves and Big Game Hunting with Kryptek's Butch Whiting.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game

 

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calls hello everyone welcome back to the

 

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fox Pro podcast this is John Collins

 

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we've got a new guest joining us today

 

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we have Butch Whiting of cryptech

 

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outdoor group on the line and we're

 

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going to be talking about wolves and

 

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their effect on big game and other

 

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animals Butch welcome to the fox Pro

 

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podcast John thanks for having me glad

 

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to be here yep good to hear from you

 

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buddy if you don't care Butch uh before

 

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we Dive Right into this podcast won't

 

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you give everyone uh a background on

 

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yourself and

 

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cryptic okay well I'm butching I'm the

 

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CEO and founder of cryptic outdoor group

 

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um so you know cryptic is a uh a brand

 

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that's probably known more so for its

 

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camouflage than anything else um we

 

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initially developed our camouflage

 

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patterns for the US Military and they've

 

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been extensively tested by the

 

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Department of Defense and then

 

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selectively used by both us and

 

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Coalition Special Operations forces and

 

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so our camouflage patterns were designed

 

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for tier one naked eye acquisition

 

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defeating that and that has lent itself

 

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extremely well to the predator hunting

 

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world and uh of course as you know

 

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wolves and coyotes and

 

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and specifically those two but all

 

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predators have very keen eyesight and so

 

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our camouflage does extremely well not

 

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only against uh near peer competitors on

 

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the on the battlefield but also in a

 

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hunting environment and specifically in

 

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predator hunting also so in a nutshell

 

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that's super

 

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quick yeah it's a little little little

 

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bit more to it than that but I tell you

 

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what Butch I've been you know I've

 

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personally been wearing cryp tech for

 

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over I guess it's at least over three

 

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years now and been extremely impressed

 

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with it you know I'm a year round

 

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Predator Hunter which uh most people who

 

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listen this podcast are and when it

 

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comes to me if I'm not predator hunting

 

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which I Almost Do almost 12 months out

 

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of the year if I'm not doing that I'm

 

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I'm either turkey hunting or deer

 

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hunting or going after other some other

 

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kind of big game so what that means is

 

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is is I put this stuff through the

 

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ringer I'm wearing it daily weekly at

 

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least I mean I've wore it uh I've wore I

 

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guess an alos suit alos pants and a

 

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dalbor vest for the last seven days

 

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straight you know out there make

 

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grinding making coyote stands and uh and

 

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hunting tree stand sets for white tail

 

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in the evening but um yeah it I don't it

 

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resonates extremely well in the in the

 

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predator hunting community and cryptic's

 

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you know proud of that um you know if

 

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you can defeat uh turkeys Vision number

 

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one and also water foul um and then you

 

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get into what I call tier one ulence

 

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which would be like antalope sheep um

 

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you know just a big game that have

 

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extremely good Vision um you know it I

 

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love some of the stories every year we

 

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get stories back about this crazy

 

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experiences that people have in the

 

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field where they have this incredible

 

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encounter where you know whatever it was

 

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um couldn't detect them couldn't see

 

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them you know they had you know an

 

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antalope run up to them and five feet

 

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away and was you know bouncing its head

 

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back and forth trying to figure out what

 

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they were and who they were those types

 

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of things but yeah our camouflage is

 

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extremely effective that's for sure uh

 

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we have an enormous amount of of testing

 

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and credibility behind our camo patterns

 

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But ultimately you know that's a a real

 

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nice fancy paint job that goes on our

 

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gear and that's what's most important is

 

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how well that gear performs when you're

 

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in the field and it keeps you out there

 

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long longer uh when it's cold and and

 

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it'll keep you cool when it's super hot

 

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and we've got you know collections for

 

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any season of the year depending on what

 

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type of hunting you're doing and where

 

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you're at so yes that's that's one of

 

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the things I like about the most

 

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probably is that you have systems for

 

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for all seasons and all hunting

 

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conditions just like you said and I have

 

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to say I you know I have to say I was a

 

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little skeptical on the patterns when I

 

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first seen them because I came from the

 

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traditional you know sticks and leaves

 

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stuff but I tell you what just like you

 

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was talking about like you love hearing

 

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stories you know a lot a lot of times

 

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I'm self filming but if I'm not self

 

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filming I've got you know at least a

 

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camera person and sometimes a camera

 

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person and another shooter and a lot of

 

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times I'm the one always setting the our

 

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ecall unit or Fox Pro out there in the

 

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field so one of the first things I do

 

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when I set that call out I always turn

 

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around and looked where we're sitting at

 

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to see if anything is is you know that

 

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could get us picked off is there is

 

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there something out of place are we

 

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skylin are we not blending or whatever

 

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and every time I turn around I'm

 

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impressed with what I see and sometimes

 

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I got to look around and see find where

 

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we're at so the stuff definitely

 

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definitely Blends in and I do I will say

 

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I have uh found

 

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three of your of the cryptech patterns

 

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that really stand out to me that I can

 

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take uh you know pretty much anywhere in

 

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the world and that is your Highlander

 

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pattern transitional and Skyfall now

 

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Skyfall was one of them when I first saw

 

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it I was like man I don't you know I

 

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don't know but I tell you what Butch and

 

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I don't know if you've heard anybody

 

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else say that but that is a tremendous

 

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allaround pattern it's actually a tree

 

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pattern but it's it's a tremendous

 

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allaround pattern and it is money during

 

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the winter months here back in the East

 

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I mean it's a great allaround pattern

 

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yeah but all three of those patterns you

 

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mentioned are extremely effective um the

 

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Skyfall has been surprising there you

 

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know that the intent there was to break

 

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your outline up and specifically in a

 

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tree stand but it's extremely effective

 

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uh in Sage Brush and in even the High

 

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Country and honestly there's probably

 

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been more sheep in the last year and a

 

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half two years I guess this would be the

 

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third year uh more sheep killed out west

 

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in Skyfall than any of our other camo

 

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patterns and um

 

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we and it has a it has a very you know a

 

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striking shelf appe pill as well I mean

 

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it it's a it's a good-look pattern up

 

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close right but that's not that's not

 

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why you that's not why you have it um

 

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you have it for the effectiveness at

 

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distance and specifically you know we've

 

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always hung our hat on uh 300 yards and

 

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uh the reason why um we are looking for

 

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you know our cam pattern to work at that

 

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distance as that's the max effective

 

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range of a 5.56 round which is the

 

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military's kind of standards for for

 

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judging so a lot of those camo patterns

 

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that you probably grew up with we all

 

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did that were hunting specific they

 

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start to blob uh pretty significantly

 

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even in closer ranges like 340 50 meters

 

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and you just become a solid blob and and

 

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a lot of guys don't know that so I

 

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didn't realize that but skyfall's been a

 

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been a big game Western surprise so to

 

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speak uh really was intended more for a

 

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tree white tail type mentality it works

 

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extremely extremely well in the Sage

 

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Brush like next level and the Sage Brush

 

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but um you know back to you know just

 

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those stories coming in I had an

 

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Outfitter um well actually a guide that

 

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worked for an Outfitter last year at the

 

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Western H Expo that came to our booth

 

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and he was telling me a story about how

 

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he got back to their camp and the

 

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Outfitter just laid into him and started

 

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chewing his butt and basically told him

 

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hey you know the rules you're not

 

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supposed to leave your clients and he

 

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was wearing cryptic Highlander and this

 

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was a western hunt out in Utah and uh

 

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his clients were wearing whatever but

 

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the Outfitter was up above him um on a

 

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higher train feature looking at him

 

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through the spotting scope and he

 

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couldn't find his guide and and so he

 

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said yeah I got my ass chewed for 15

 

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minutes before I was able to talk and

 

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tell him and he's like I was there the

 

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whole time and so you know that type of

 

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stuff is always nice to to hear those

 

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types of stories back but yeah all three

 

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of those patterns that you mentioned um

 

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the transitional pattern is just money

 

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for spring and especially spring turkey

 

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man I think that it's like absolutely

 

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next level but yeah I mean we kind of

 

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got down a big rabbit hole you talk

 

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about cryptic we're probably known for a

 

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camouflage patterns more than anything

 

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but our our gear I'll put it up against

 

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any other brand in the outdoor industry

 

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and to go along with that the other

 

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thing I think resonates extremely well

 

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with the predator hunting Market is that

 

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we're extremely pro-american Pro

 

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Constitution Pro Second Amendment and so

 

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what I have found is that I've never

 

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found a predator Hunter that was woke I

 

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don't know about you but uh but most

 

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Predator Hunters are not woke they're

 

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not into critical race Theory they're

 

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not into cancel culture and so that's

 

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another reason why I think that our

 

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brand resonates so well in the predator

 

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hunting

 

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Community yes I totally agree with you

 

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and like you said and the stuff just

 

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flat out works it's tough it it it fits

 

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good it's uh I don't want to turn this

 

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into a big infomercial for you guys but

 

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check out cryp Tech clothing just like I

 

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said I wear it every week right now I'm

 

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wearing a transitional it's more of your

 

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your Greener type pattern but here in

 

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the East even though the leaves are

 

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changing we still got a lot of leaves on

 

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the tree and that transitional was

 

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absolute money right now and as soon as

 

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they start to fall to fall I'm going to

 

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transition right into the Skyfall that

 

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one of the things there last year Butch

 

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I you know you had one person from cryp

 

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Tech told said looks like yall wearing

 

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Skyfall a lot on the ground here in

 

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these winter months you know it's a tree

 

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stand pattern I was like man it it works

 

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it Blends when the leaves start coming

 

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off here in the East I guess it's the

 

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the dark tones in that pattern they just

 

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blend in so well when you're up against

 

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brush and up against these Hardwoods we

 

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have back here it's a great on the

 

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ground pattern long as a tree standand

 

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pattern absolutely yeah for sure anyway

 

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we're here to talk about wolves a little

 

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bit uh Butch as you know you're in a

 

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state that has wolves wolf numbers are

 

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are definitely growing and they're now

 

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in I think 13 states I think that have

 

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Wolfpack populations uh Colorado is one

 

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of the most recent states to introduce

 

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wolves definitely seems like they're

 

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working pretty hard to have a permanent

 

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wolf population which you know don't get

 

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me started on col Colorado but another

 

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thing with Colorado um I don't know if

 

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you're familiar with it but I think we

 

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talked about it just a few minutes ago

 

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before we really got into this but uh

 

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proposition 127 in Colorado it's on the

 

0:11:15.279,0:11:20.040

ballot next month and what that is guys

 

0:11:17.839,0:11:22.440

that will prohibit the hunting of

 

0:11:20.040,0:11:25.200

mountain line bobcat and Lynx in the

 

0:11:22.440,0:11:26.800

state of Colorado I don't even know that

 

0:11:25.200,0:11:28.279

they have links and the people who

 

0:11:26.800,0:11:30.240

probably put this proposition out

 

0:11:28.279,0:11:32.040

probably don't know either

 

0:11:30.240,0:11:33.880

probably not are you are you are you

 

0:11:32.040,0:11:36.839

very familiar with that Butch with with

 

0:11:33.880,0:11:38.800

this proposition 127 I know of it and I

 

0:11:36.839,0:11:41.240

know that it'll impact I've got some

 

0:11:38.800,0:11:42.800

friends that are Outfitters in Colorado

 

0:11:41.240,0:11:45.320

and I've hunted with them for years and

 

0:11:42.800,0:11:47.920

a major part of their business model is

 

0:11:45.320,0:11:50.040

mountain lion hunting um in the winter

 

0:11:47.920,0:11:51.720

months uh I know it's going to have an

 

0:11:50.040,0:11:56.079

impact and I also know that it's going

 

0:11:51.720,0:11:58.320

to greatly impact um big game hunting uh

 

0:11:56.079,0:12:01.839

if that if that proposition goes through

 

0:11:58.320,0:12:04.880

obviously uh and you know to your point

 

0:12:01.839,0:12:06.519

it's probably put together by um

 

0:12:04.880,0:12:08.600

individuals and sponsored by A

 

0:12:06.519,0:12:11.320

legislature that does not have a real

 

0:12:08.600,0:12:14.839

good touch point with uh you know the

 

0:12:11.320,0:12:16.920

North American uh Wildlife Conservation

 

0:12:14.839,0:12:18.160

model and and it's probably a right a

 

0:12:16.920,0:12:21.279

giant mistake that's going to have

 

0:12:18.160,0:12:24.279

second and third order effects um you

 

0:12:21.279,0:12:26.519

know there's a lot of a a lot of change

 

0:12:24.279,0:12:28.040

in Colorado that's for sure it's amazing

 

0:12:26.519,0:12:29.680

I was actually hunting elk out in

 

0:12:28.040,0:12:33.399

Colorado here

 

0:12:29.680,0:12:36.279

a few weeks ago and uh where I was

 

0:12:33.399,0:12:38.199

hunting um I had some access to some

 

0:12:36.279,0:12:42.360

land we had some public as well but the

 

0:12:38.199,0:12:45.000

ranches are all owned by the people that

 

0:12:42.360,0:12:46.959

are not ranchers uh they're owned by

 

0:12:45.000,0:12:50.160

very wealthy

 

0:12:46.959,0:12:53.600

individuals that move there buy a ranch

 

0:12:50.160,0:12:55.880

um and then hire you know the family or

 

0:12:53.600,0:12:58.320

families that grew up in that area to

 

0:12:55.880,0:12:59.680

manage it and take care of it and so on

 

0:12:58.320,0:13:01.480

and so

 

0:12:59.680,0:13:02.839

um yeah there's just been a major

 

0:13:01.480,0:13:05.399

influence I think because of the

 

0:13:02.839,0:13:07.839

attraction with the ski resorts and it's

 

0:13:05.399,0:13:11.560

a absolutely wonderful beautiful state

 

0:13:07.839,0:13:14.440

um oh yeah it is but then you get uh you

 

0:13:11.560,0:13:16.160

know you get ideas like this where you

 

0:13:14.440,0:13:18.000

know folks move in and they start to

 

0:13:16.160,0:13:22.560

have a voice and they really aren't in

 

0:13:18.000,0:13:25.000

touch with uh with really reality and in

 

0:13:22.560,0:13:26.720

right in many cases you know I think

 

0:13:25.000,0:13:29.279

some of those guys don't even hunt that

 

0:13:26.720,0:13:31.639

own these uh that move in there and buy

 

0:13:29.279,0:13:35.120

buying these ranches up oh I'm sure I'm

 

0:13:31.639,0:13:36.959

sure and so um as far as the

 

0:13:35.120,0:13:38.920

introductions to wolves out there what a

 

0:13:36.959,0:13:43.160

mistake I mean I've seen what it's

 

0:13:38.920,0:13:45.639

happened to Idaho and yeah the second

 

0:13:43.160,0:13:49.279

and third effects of that down the road

 

0:13:45.639,0:13:51.079

or all you have to do is uh look at a

 

0:13:49.279,0:13:54.680

you know State like Idaho as a

 

0:13:51.079,0:13:56.560

comparison and the impact um it's one

 

0:13:54.680,0:13:58.360

thing when they have a small pack and

 

0:13:56.560,0:14:00.920

you've got these biologists that go out

 

0:13:58.360,0:14:03.240

and and wolves all have names and caller

 

0:14:00.920,0:14:06.639

numbers and oh yeah and they can they

 

0:14:03.240,0:14:09.279

can track them um but then once uh they

 

0:14:06.639,0:14:10.880

start to explode in their population

 

0:14:09.279,0:14:13.160

that's when you start to see the effects

 

0:14:10.880,0:14:17.199

that you know that we currently have

 

0:14:13.160,0:14:18.880

here within our state um and so it's

 

0:14:17.199,0:14:20.680

legal to hunt wolves in Idaho there was

 

0:14:18.880,0:14:22.639

some legislation passed here a few years

 

0:14:20.680,0:14:26.959

ago which actually kind of really opened

 

0:14:22.639,0:14:29.880

up the rules to hunt that wolves were

 

0:14:26.959,0:14:32.920

night thermal scope hunting is allow

 

0:14:29.880,0:14:35.519

um even aerial depredation is allowed as

 

0:14:32.920,0:14:41.120

long as it's on private property and not

 

0:14:35.519,0:14:43.880

on state um or public land now in Idaho

 

0:14:41.120,0:14:46.040

and you know the impact out here just as

 

0:14:43.880,0:14:47.720

a comparison what could happen in

 

0:14:46.040,0:14:51.560

Colorado or what's happening in other

 

0:14:47.720,0:14:55.480

states that have blooming blossoming

 

0:14:51.560,0:14:58.639

huge wolf populations is um you're going

 

0:14:55.480,0:15:01.800

to see uh you know an impact on on the

 

0:14:58.639,0:15:05.600

big game for sure and of course you know

 

0:15:01.800,0:15:07.839

livestock um yes in

 

0:15:05.600,0:15:08.800

Idaho really the only wolves that get

 

0:15:07.839,0:15:11.680

any

 

0:15:08.800,0:15:15.279

attention uh are the ones that are you

 

0:15:11.680,0:15:17.000

know taking down cattle or sheep or you

 

0:15:15.279,0:15:20.720

know that type of thing once they start

 

0:15:17.000,0:15:23.040

to mess with a ranchers uh livestock

 

0:15:20.720,0:15:29.120

then the government Trappers get called

 

0:15:23.040,0:15:31.519

in um but what I have noticed and

 

0:15:29.120,0:15:33.759

there's a lot of firsthand here

 

0:15:31.519,0:15:37.519

discussion by no stress your imagination

 

0:15:33.759,0:15:40.240

am I like wolf expert right but I've got

 

0:15:37.519,0:15:44.600

a lot of friends and a lot of family and

 

0:15:40.240,0:15:47.680

I talk to a lot of hunters who um have

 

0:15:44.600,0:15:51.720

had Legacy Family

 

0:15:47.680,0:15:55.399

type locations that they have hunted for

 

0:15:51.720,0:15:59.959

decades basically uh that have been

 

0:15:55.399,0:16:03.160

decimated and they no longer can go hunt

 

0:15:59.959,0:16:05.959

there because the elk and deer

 

0:16:03.160,0:16:09.759

populations have been you know driven

 

0:16:05.959,0:16:11.279

down to a point to where um they they

 

0:16:09.759,0:16:13.279

they know they no longer have a good

 

0:16:11.279,0:16:16.199

time they no longer have the experience

 

0:16:13.279,0:16:18.079

and feel like the opportunity is High um

 

0:16:16.199,0:16:20.720

to go in and actually successfully kill

 

0:16:18.079,0:16:23.519

an elk or a deer and when they do go in

 

0:16:20.720,0:16:26.880

all they hear is wolves howling right

 

0:16:23.519,0:16:29.720

right and so I've I've had I've had

 

0:16:26.880,0:16:31.399

firsthand experience uh with that Butch

 

0:16:29.720,0:16:33.279

and it's actually it's in a different

 

0:16:31.399,0:16:35.639

it's in a different state it's it's in

 

0:16:33.279,0:16:38.440

Oregon I used to hunt Eastern Oregon

 

0:16:35.639,0:16:41.000

quite a bit for Elk Muer black bear

 

0:16:38.440,0:16:44.279

coyotes what whatever whatever we could

 

0:16:41.000,0:16:47.880

hunt and one of the things that uh early

 

0:16:44.279,0:16:49.680

on you know U I can't remember what year

 

0:16:47.880,0:16:52.480

it happened but eventually there was a

 

0:16:49.680,0:16:55.600

collared wolf that crossed the Snake

 

0:16:52.480,0:16:57.920

River from Idaho yeah and it wasn't very

 

0:16:55.600,0:17:00.360

long that there was an established pack

 

0:16:57.920,0:17:03.919

right in the area that we

 

0:17:00.360,0:17:06.880

um and it it totally changed it changed

 

0:17:03.919,0:17:09.199

everything um not only did the numbers

 

0:17:06.880,0:17:13.160

drop a little bit far as Wildlife goes

 

0:17:09.199,0:17:15.559

but uh the way that animals acted in

 

0:17:13.160,0:17:17.280

that area were totally different like uh

 

0:17:15.559,0:17:18.679

even though the elk numbers might still

 

0:17:17.280,0:17:21.600

been strong but if you went in there

 

0:17:18.679,0:17:24.520

during the rut um there was limited

 

0:17:21.600,0:17:27.160

bugling uh and really the only thing

 

0:17:24.520,0:17:29.000

that you could you know put that towards

 

0:17:27.160,0:17:31.039

put a finger on that is it had to be

 

0:17:29.000,0:17:32.720

from Wolf pressure you know if they're

 

0:17:31.039,0:17:34.679

vocalizing the wolves are going to

 

0:17:32.720,0:17:36.640

pinpoint them and it really changed the

 

0:17:34.679,0:17:39.679

hunting hunting in that area I've heard

 

0:17:36.640,0:17:42.760

the same thing from numerous individuals

 

0:17:39.679,0:17:45.200

that uh that have actually gotten the

 

0:17:42.760,0:17:47.280

Wolves captured on their trail cameras

 

0:17:45.200,0:17:49.960

um and they've said that you know the

 

0:17:47.280,0:17:52.640

elk are just not vocal like they were in

 

0:17:49.960,0:17:54.840

the past on the flip side of that I have

 

0:17:52.640,0:17:57.720

a very good friend and Associate that is

 

0:17:54.840,0:18:00.720

a government Trapper and he spends an

 

0:17:57.720,0:18:04.600

enormous amount of time chasing wolves

 

0:18:00.720,0:18:06.440

coyotes mountain lion whatever and uh

 

0:18:04.600,0:18:08.600

he's you know told me about some

 

0:18:06.440,0:18:10.880

experiences where he shot some wolves

 

0:18:08.600,0:18:13.799

and had elk bugling at the same time but

 

0:18:10.880,0:18:15.679

that's also you know not the same area

 

0:18:13.799,0:18:17.360

as everybody else you know coming back

 

0:18:15.679,0:18:20.200

and saying like yeah we've got to go

 

0:18:17.360,0:18:23.080

find a new spot because the elk are not

 

0:18:20.200,0:18:24.799

vocal the herd's smaller the the bottom

 

0:18:23.080,0:18:26.039

line is that that they get you know the

 

0:18:24.799,0:18:28.960

elk aren't going to stick around if

 

0:18:26.039,0:18:32.520

they're getting decimated um and

 

0:18:28.960,0:18:35.039

constantly pursued and uh just this year

 

0:18:32.520,0:18:39.200

just a few weeks ago a very very very

 

0:18:35.039,0:18:42.159

good close hunting partner of mine um he

 

0:18:39.200,0:18:44.480

uh had some wolves that moved into his

 

0:18:42.159,0:18:47.559

area and you know he was they were

 

0:18:44.480,0:18:51.159

seeing elk every day and um he had lots

 

0:18:47.559,0:18:53.760

of elk on his trail camera uh and

 

0:18:51.159,0:18:55.360

multiple cameras actually and then they

 

0:18:53.760,0:18:57.360

started to you know pick up the wolves

 

0:18:55.360,0:18:59.960

on the trail camera and he said there's

 

0:18:57.360,0:19:03.120

nothing there now and the season's still

 

0:18:59.960,0:19:05.080

the season's still on so that's and that

 

0:19:03.120,0:19:08.200

this is a family ranch this isn't even

 

0:19:05.080,0:19:10.960

like a pack in 12h hour remote super

 

0:19:08.200,0:19:13.919

crazy off the road yep type spot this is

 

0:19:10.960,0:19:16.679

just an ABS an AB a family you know kind

 

0:19:13.919,0:19:19.000

of operation and Ranch that's he seeing

 

0:19:16.679,0:19:21.000

real time effects like right in the

 

0:19:19.000,0:19:24.520

middle of hunting season where they

 

0:19:21.000,0:19:26.360

didn't have a presence and uh and then

 

0:19:24.520,0:19:28.280

suddenly they do they've confirmed it

 

0:19:26.360,0:19:29.600

and those those animals aren't going to

 

0:19:28.280,0:19:32.480

stick around

 

0:19:29.600,0:19:33.679

when they're there no no so no and

 

0:19:32.480,0:19:35.360

that's kind of the same thing I was

 

0:19:33.679,0:19:37.799

talking about to the area that I hunted

 

0:19:35.360,0:19:39.480

we actually started out off a family

 

0:19:37.799,0:19:41.120

ranch but then you know there was

 

0:19:39.480,0:19:43.880

national forest and stuff like that

 

0:19:41.120,0:19:45.520

around it that you could go uh access to

 

0:19:43.880,0:19:47.120

to go hunt and it was just totally

 

0:19:45.520,0:19:49.600

different because the wolves and it

 

0:19:47.120,0:19:52.799

wasn't just the elk it was the coy we

 

0:19:49.600,0:19:55.080

coow hunted this area and used to you

 

0:19:52.799,0:19:58.080

could go in there and if you H you were

 

0:19:55.080,0:19:59.400

you know these specific draws and and

 

0:19:58.080,0:20:01.600

stuff like that you were going to have

 

0:19:59.400,0:20:03.520

coyotes answer you well the coyot

 

0:20:01.600,0:20:05.400

stopped answering you know you could not

 

0:20:03.520,0:20:07.559

find a vocal coyot now the coyotes would

 

0:20:05.400,0:20:09.000

still come the coyotes are still there

 

0:20:07.559,0:20:10.720

but how they actually approached the

 

0:20:09.000,0:20:12.640

call was totally different after wolves

 

0:20:10.720,0:20:14.480

were in the area too they instead of

 

0:20:12.640,0:20:18.039

just running and rushing in and coming

 

0:20:14.480,0:20:20.280

straight to the call it was big wide

 

0:20:18.039,0:20:21.720

circles and they acted timid as they

 

0:20:20.280,0:20:23.559

were doing it they would want to get up

 

0:20:21.720,0:20:25.880

on highest points at high points and

 

0:20:23.559,0:20:27.880

look down to see the sound you could

 

0:20:25.880,0:20:30.000

tell that they were greatly affected

 

0:20:27.880,0:20:33.559

themselves by the

 

0:20:30.000,0:20:36.799

Wolves yeah I there's probably no doubt

 

0:20:33.559,0:20:39.880

like when you have a you know a tier one

 

0:20:36.799,0:20:43.480

a predator um you know I don't know how

 

0:20:39.880,0:20:45.120

many coyotes get eaten by Wolves but

 

0:20:43.480,0:20:49.640

right well they don't stand a chance I

 

0:20:45.120,0:20:51.880

get too close no I do know that uh the

 

0:20:49.640,0:20:54.039

coyotes will eat off a carcass that a

 

0:20:51.880,0:20:55.960

wolf kills there's lots of myths and

 

0:20:54.039,0:20:58.320

rumors especially with the ranchers and

 

0:20:55.960,0:21:01.000

stuff out here but my government Trapper

 

0:20:58.320,0:21:04.240

friend like absolutely they will if you

 

0:21:01.000,0:21:07.799

find a a kill that is a wolf kill the

 

0:21:04.240,0:21:09.960

coyotes will come into it um but uh I'm

 

0:21:07.799,0:21:12.200

I'm sure that it definitely impacts the

 

0:21:09.960,0:21:16.480

behavior of not just elk and deer but

 

0:21:12.200,0:21:19.440

also other Predators as well right well

 

0:21:16.480,0:21:21.520

have you um have you actually have you

 

0:21:19.440,0:21:24.520

ever personally encountered wolves while

 

0:21:21.520,0:21:25.960

out hunting or anything I have I've en

 

0:21:24.520,0:21:30.200

I've had I've had a handful of

 

0:21:25.960,0:21:33.520

encounters uh both in Idaho and uh also

 

0:21:30.200,0:21:35.120

in Alaska I've never actually pulled the

 

0:21:33.520,0:21:39.159

trigger I've never been fortunate enough

 

0:21:35.120,0:21:42.799

to uh number one have a a tag in my

 

0:21:39.159,0:21:46.919

pocket when I had a encounter that could

 

0:21:42.799,0:21:49.279

have been a wolf kill um or when I have

 

0:21:46.919,0:21:52.159

had a tag had a meaningful opportunity

 

0:21:49.279,0:21:53.200

to make it real and get it done so right

 

0:21:52.159,0:21:56.360

right

 

0:21:53.200,0:21:58.159

um I I you know when we first started

 

0:21:56.360,0:22:00.360

cryptic I was up in Alaska for seven

 

0:21:58.159,0:22:03.960

years and doing a lot of super remote

 

0:22:00.360,0:22:07.000

hunting up there uh in uh the Alaska

 

0:22:03.960,0:22:09.600

range and the Brooks range and it seems

 

0:22:07.000,0:22:12.240

like we had wol wolf encounters like

 

0:22:09.600,0:22:15.159

pretty much every day and the majority

 

0:22:12.240,0:22:17.320

of those would be at night um for

 

0:22:15.159,0:22:19.440

whatever reason like when we were in our

 

0:22:17.320,0:22:23.880

tent they would come into camp or check

 

0:22:19.440,0:22:25.799

us out uh Idaho they're a lot more a lot

 

0:22:23.880,0:22:27.679

more difficult I think the guys that

 

0:22:25.799,0:22:31.679

consistently kill wolves out here in

 

0:22:27.679,0:22:35.600

Idaho spend an enormous amount of time

 

0:22:31.679,0:22:38.440

um trying to do so and right right and

 

0:22:35.600,0:22:40.960

you know you have access is a lot easier

 

0:22:38.440,0:22:44.279

here in Idaho there's there's you know

 

0:22:40.960,0:22:46.919

roads um you can get to anywhere but

 

0:22:44.279,0:22:49.480

they also it's just like you know a

 

0:22:46.919,0:22:52.039

coyote that yeah you roll up on it's out

 

0:22:49.480,0:22:53.520

in a pasture and you stop your truck to

 

0:22:52.039,0:22:56.320

get your gun out and that son of [ __ ]

 

0:22:53.520,0:22:59.320

takes off a 100 miles an hour right I

 

0:22:56.320,0:23:01.880

mean you know it's about how the their

 

0:22:59.320,0:23:06.720

encounters with humans I think um it

 

0:23:01.880,0:23:09.080

doesn't take a wolf long to know that uh

 

0:23:06.720,0:23:10.640

uh it's not a good thing to stick around

 

0:23:09.080,0:23:14.200

if they're getting shot at that are not

 

0:23:10.640,0:23:16.799

welcome yeah but um but I have a handful

 

0:23:14.200,0:23:18.799

of of of good friends that have

 

0:23:16.799,0:23:20.880

consistently killed wolves but even then

 

0:23:18.799,0:23:23.600

it's low numbers I mean there's nobody

 

0:23:20.880,0:23:27.120

that goes out and wax and stacks wolves

 

0:23:23.600,0:23:29.600

like you know you see coyote Predator h

 

0:23:27.120,0:23:31.919

no no I don't know like I can count them

 

0:23:29.600,0:23:34.799

all on one hand out of the people I know

 

0:23:31.919,0:23:36.840

who've taken Wolves yeah it's Big Al

 

0:23:34.799,0:23:38.760

Morris is one of them big al kill won

 

0:23:36.840,0:23:40.559

last year I think he was up in Canada

 

0:23:38.760,0:23:42.360

when he got his I think I was gonna say

 

0:23:40.559,0:23:46.559

yeah he was in Canada when you start to

 

0:23:42.360,0:23:48.480

get the further north uh Canada Alaska

 

0:23:46.559,0:23:51.640

and you get more remote I think that

 

0:23:48.480,0:23:53.880

your um ability for them to stick around

 

0:23:51.640,0:23:56.320

and give you some more time or even

 

0:23:53.880,0:23:59.440

respond to a call or whatever it is but

 

0:23:56.320,0:24:03.240

they're getting some pressure uh in in

 

0:23:59.440,0:24:05.799

in Idaho and um even though they're

 

0:24:03.240,0:24:08.320

definitely also having a major impact

 

0:24:05.799,0:24:10.880

and there's some discrepancies and you

 

0:24:08.320,0:24:14.440

know the fishing game says well Ido has

 

0:24:10.880,0:24:18.559

X number of wolves now and the way they

 

0:24:14.440,0:24:21.640

do the count is like just full of uh

 

0:24:18.559,0:24:23.400

doubt really I mean oh yeah I think

 

0:24:21.640,0:24:25.120

don't hold it hold me account you can

 

0:24:23.400,0:24:27.919

fact check this but I think that it was

 

0:24:25.120,0:24:31.559

something like they kicked out 5,000

 

0:24:27.919,0:24:35.600

game cameras and these game

 

0:24:31.559,0:24:37.279

cameras uh were set up in areas that

 

0:24:35.600,0:24:41.000

could be you know accessible like what

 

0:24:37.279,0:24:45.840

I'm talking about and and then they used

 

0:24:41.000,0:24:47.200

AI to filter the pictures and determine

 

0:24:45.840,0:24:51.039

you know different

 

0:24:47.200,0:24:53.320

wolves um and so then they came up with

 

0:24:51.039,0:24:57.000

a number I want to say it's like

 

0:24:53.320,0:24:59.399

1300 but uh and supposedly that's down

 

0:24:57.000,0:25:02.039

by a few hundred from a few years ago or

 

0:24:59.399,0:25:05.640

whatever but when I talk to the subject

 

0:25:02.039,0:25:08.240

matter experts like my my uh guys and

 

0:25:05.640,0:25:11.120

friends that are government Trappers

 

0:25:08.240,0:25:14.000

they they're like man that is like full

 

0:25:11.120,0:25:17.120

of fallacy it's right there because we

 

0:25:14.000,0:25:19.240

put cameras up and we actually get to

 

0:25:17.120,0:25:21.440

see how the Wolves react and those

 

0:25:19.240,0:25:24.120

wolves are super keen and smart if they

 

0:25:21.440,0:25:26.520

don't need to smell a camera they don't

 

0:25:24.120,0:25:28.840

they they'll see it and they'll go off

 

0:25:26.520,0:25:31.960

the trail and go around and so I just

 

0:25:28.840,0:25:34.720

don't know how accurate how accurate you

 

0:25:31.960,0:25:35.960

know the counts are um well that's

 

0:25:34.720,0:25:38.440

that's something I was actually going to

 

0:25:35.960,0:25:39.679

ask you you know I wondered how accurate

 

0:25:38.440,0:25:41.799

because you know I was trying to St you

 

0:25:39.679,0:25:44.840

know I try to read up on this type of

 

0:25:41.799,0:25:48.880

stuff quite often and if you if you just

 

0:25:44.840,0:25:52.640

Google like the effects wolves have on

 

0:25:48.880,0:25:54.919

livestock or big game or or anything or

 

0:25:52.640,0:25:58.880

other animals you'll get filled with so

 

0:25:54.919,0:26:02.120

much fluff from all these crazy

 

0:25:58.880,0:26:04.720

you know animal rights sites and stuff

 

0:26:02.120,0:26:06.919

so anyway you know I've wondered how

 

0:26:04.720,0:26:09.360

accurate the wolf population numbers

 

0:26:06.919,0:26:10.880

actually are I think what I saw when I

 

0:26:09.360,0:26:13.120

looked it up to the day I think they

 

0:26:10.880,0:26:15.279

said the estimate was somewhere between

 

0:26:13.120,0:26:18.919

you know for Wolf populations in the US

 

0:26:15.279,0:26:20.760

it was like between 14,000 and 18,000 or

 

0:26:18.919,0:26:24.200

something like that but I bet it's way

 

0:26:20.760,0:26:26.039

more than that well across 13 states I

 

0:26:24.200,0:26:27.919

bet there's probably a you know and

 

0:26:26.039,0:26:30.039

they're talking about like the 13 states

 

0:26:27.919,0:26:33.600

that's where I think what U you know

 

0:26:30.039,0:26:35.640

established packs are in so well here's

 

0:26:33.600,0:26:39.679

my opinion on it it's nothing more than

 

0:26:35.640,0:26:42.360

an opinion is I personally think that

 

0:26:39.679,0:26:45.240

the fishing game at least in Idaho kind

 

0:26:42.360,0:26:47.080

of tries to walk a tight RPP they try to

 

0:26:45.240,0:26:50.080

find this balance

 

0:26:47.080,0:26:52.080

between um The Hunting Community and the

 

0:26:50.080,0:26:55.159

anti-hunting community and the pro wolf

 

0:26:52.080,0:26:58.960

community and the anti-wolf community

 

0:26:55.159,0:27:01.440

and so um How do they walk that tight

 

0:26:58.960,0:27:04.799

RPP well the first thing they'll do is

 

0:27:01.440,0:27:08.440

they'll tout success rates on big game

 

0:27:04.799,0:27:10.279

hunts Okay so we've had so many you know

 

0:27:08.440,0:27:13.200

elk were killed and so many deer were

 

0:27:10.279,0:27:16.279

killed so numbers are up and that's good

 

0:27:13.200,0:27:19.039

but um and they compared this to years

 

0:27:16.279,0:27:21.919

past like you know 15 years ago or so

 

0:27:19.039,0:27:24.480

but the thing that they don't take into

 

0:27:21.919,0:27:27.840

account in that is all the advancements

 

0:27:24.480,0:27:31.240

that have occurred from 15 years ago and

 

0:27:27.840,0:27:33.279

hunting alone I mean the example is like

 

0:27:31.240,0:27:35.880

just in long range shooting for example

 

0:27:33.279,0:27:37.559

like pretty much you know that's a norm

 

0:27:35.880,0:27:40.200

now somebody wants to try to take a shot

 

0:27:37.559,0:27:42.200

at an elk that 700 yards and the

 

0:27:40.200,0:27:43.919

majority of my friends and Associates

 

0:27:42.200,0:27:46.679

can do that and do it with high

 

0:27:43.919,0:27:49.519

confidence 15 considered a pie piece of

 

0:27:46.679,0:27:52.440

cake now yeah well 15 years ago it

 

0:27:49.519,0:27:55.760

wasn't right 15 years ago if you were

 

0:27:52.440,0:27:58.919

shooting past 400 yards that was a big

 

0:27:55.760,0:28:02.000

deal a long shot so I think there's been

 

0:27:58.919,0:28:06.480

a major advancement in our our ability

 

0:28:02.000,0:28:09.080

to deploy our firearms and take good

 

0:28:06.480,0:28:12.720

ethical you know shots that we're High

 

0:28:09.080,0:28:14.760

highly confident in um that's a a matter

 

0:28:12.720,0:28:17.080

of increased Optics of increased

 

0:28:14.760,0:28:18.640

education built-in rangefinders that

 

0:28:17.080,0:28:21.399

dial or tell you you're dope that you

 

0:28:18.640,0:28:23.600

Bluetooth to your phone I mean yeah

 

0:28:21.399,0:28:25.440

basically I took my son-in-law out last

 

0:28:23.600,0:28:27.679

year and took him to his first NRL

 

0:28:25.440,0:28:31.120

Hunter match and we pretty much trained

 

0:28:27.679,0:28:34.200

for about month going into that and he

 

0:28:31.120,0:28:36.919

was shooting as good as I was you know

 

0:28:34.200,0:28:39.720

five years prior to that without all

 

0:28:36.919,0:28:42.120

that technology and so you can take you

 

0:28:39.720,0:28:44.360

can take someone that has little to no

 

0:28:42.120,0:28:46.320

experience and pretty soon they're

 

0:28:44.360,0:28:48.120

shooting at the same level that a guy

 

0:28:46.320,0:28:51.080

like you know Chris Kyle was shooting

 

0:28:48.120,0:28:52.440

out at the top of his his uh his Navy

 

0:28:51.080,0:28:55.080

sniper

 

0:28:52.440,0:28:57.240

experience and right and so I think

 

0:28:55.080,0:29:01.279

that's number one on those success rates

 

0:28:57.240,0:29:03.799

number two is ility you know 15 years

 

0:29:01.279,0:29:05.279

ago uh maybe there was four-wheelers

 

0:29:03.799,0:29:06.960

maybe maybe it's been longer than that

 

0:29:05.279,0:29:09.519

but I just know that everybody's got

 

0:29:06.960,0:29:11.720

side by sides now the ability to get

 

0:29:09.519,0:29:13.679

around is improved so the success rates

 

0:29:11.720,0:29:16.480

my point is the success rates on the big

 

0:29:13.679,0:29:19.039

game are are higher are they're going to

 

0:29:16.480,0:29:21.240

be equivalent or up from 15 years ago

 

0:29:19.039,0:29:23.760

and you can't really use that as a

 

0:29:21.240,0:29:25.559

comparison to like oh well the wolf

 

0:29:23.760,0:29:28.360

population must be in check and it's

 

0:29:25.559,0:29:30.159

good because our big game numbers are

 

0:29:28.360,0:29:32.399

will truth be told like in some of these

 

0:29:30.159,0:29:34.279

areas where they're not monitoring

 

0:29:32.399,0:29:37.440

specifically in Idaho like the Frank

 

0:29:34.279,0:29:39.200

Church Wilderness uh the hunting's

 

0:29:37.440,0:29:40.840

decimated there it's absolutely

 

0:29:39.200,0:29:43.720

decimated the number of Outfitters in

 

0:29:40.840,0:29:46.799

those in those areas has gone down to

 

0:29:43.720,0:29:50.279

null to zero because the wolves are up

 

0:29:46.799,0:29:53.039

and the game's not there and so right

 

0:29:50.279,0:29:54.840

ultimately how are those that are giving

 

0:29:53.039,0:29:56.360

us the numbers kind of like coming up

 

0:29:54.840,0:29:59.120

with the numbers and why are they coming

 

0:29:56.360,0:30:00.480

up with the numbers and right right the

 

0:29:59.120,0:30:01.760

other thing that's happened is why isn't

 

0:30:00.480,0:30:04.559

the game there it's because it's got

 

0:30:01.760,0:30:06.799

pushed down or pushed lower or pushed

 

0:30:04.559,0:30:09.919

into other regions which that may be

 

0:30:06.799,0:30:13.640

another contributing factor to why the

 

0:30:09.919,0:30:17.720

the success rates are up so alls I can

 

0:30:13.640,0:30:20.039

go off of is firsthand experience from

 

0:30:17.720,0:30:22.679

very close friends very close family

 

0:30:20.039,0:30:25.880

members people that have had basically

 

0:30:22.679,0:30:27.720

to Pivot out of um you know areas

 

0:30:25.880,0:30:31.760

because of the experiences they're

 

0:30:27.720,0:30:33.559

having now with with being overran with

 

0:30:31.760,0:30:35.559

wolves and and when I say overrun it's

 

0:30:33.559,0:30:37.279

not like they're coming into camp and

 

0:30:35.559,0:30:39.159

trying to get the tent with you it's

 

0:30:37.279,0:30:41.000

just like your area you know you're

 

0:30:39.159,0:30:43.480

having encounters you're having whether

 

0:30:41.000,0:30:48.240

it's a you're you know hearing them at

 

0:30:43.480,0:30:49.720

night going off um or something along

 

0:30:48.240,0:30:52.159

those lines and you know you're seeing

 

0:30:49.720,0:30:54.640

tracks on top of your tracks you're not

 

0:30:52.159,0:30:57.799

seeing any game you're not hearing any

 

0:30:54.640,0:30:59.600

game and so on and so forth so yeah I

 

0:30:57.799,0:31:01.399

mean because you you'll have some people

 

0:30:59.600,0:31:03.559

will argue with you that wolves do not

 

0:31:01.399,0:31:06.279

have any kind of direct effect on on

 

0:31:03.559,0:31:08.960

Wildlife well heck it's their prey they

 

0:31:06.279,0:31:11.639

eat it and what they don't eat they

 

0:31:08.960,0:31:14.399

stress they put such a level of stress

 

0:31:11.639,0:31:16.639

on them that uh U you know makes it

 

0:31:14.399,0:31:18.000

rough on them as well and it's kind of

 

0:31:16.639,0:31:20.240

it's kind of crazy some of the stuff

 

0:31:18.000,0:31:21.559

that you'll read from some of these uh

 

0:31:20.240,0:31:22.840

these sites it was wild and I was

 

0:31:21.559,0:31:25.080

looking at to the day just try to get a

 

0:31:22.840,0:31:26.880

little info to put this together it was

 

0:31:25.080,0:31:28.519

It was kind of sickening to read some of

 

0:31:26.880,0:31:30.840

that stuff how they they would kind of

 

0:31:28.519,0:31:32.600

paint them as you know there with

 

0:31:30.840,0:31:33.720

rainbows and everything else trying to

 

0:31:32.600,0:31:36.480

make them sound like they're the best

 

0:31:33.720,0:31:38.440

things in the world I'm not I'm not

 

0:31:36.480,0:31:40.120

somebody that's like wants to kill every

 

0:31:38.440,0:31:42.240

single one of them I think it's cool to

 

0:31:40.120,0:31:45.799

have a wolf around but not what we have

 

0:31:42.240,0:31:49.080

now well it's it's such a

 

0:31:45.799,0:31:52.000

controversial subject matter like if you

 

0:31:49.080,0:31:55.600

post a picture of a dead

 

0:31:52.000,0:31:58.120

wolf it's gonna blow up and oh my God

 

0:31:55.600,0:32:01.080

and it's not going to just blow up with

 

0:31:58.120,0:32:03.880

uh anti anti-hunters you're gonna have

 

0:32:01.080,0:32:05.320

hunters too that are gonna be like why

 

0:32:03.880,0:32:07.799

do you need to kill a wolf and then you

 

0:32:05.320,0:32:10.639

get on this whole mentality is actually

 

0:32:07.799,0:32:12.840

there's a whole you know I guess call it

 

0:32:10.639,0:32:14.960

following when in coming back into

 

0:32:12.840,0:32:16.279

Predator Hunter hunting in general like

 

0:32:14.960,0:32:18.360

well are you gonna eat that are you

 

0:32:16.279,0:32:22.159

gonna eat a coyote are you gonna eat a

 

0:32:18.360,0:32:26.360

all the time all the time so so it's a

 

0:32:22.159,0:32:28.639

super controversial um discussion Point

 

0:32:26.360,0:32:30.799

uh and you can get guys that are

 

0:32:28.639,0:32:33.559

absolutely pro hunting that are still

 

0:32:30.799,0:32:35.760

like anti-wolf hunting and then you're

 

0:32:33.559,0:32:37.720

for sure going to get anti-hunters and I

 

0:32:35.760,0:32:41.519

think that there's something that's

 

0:32:37.720,0:32:44.799

appealing about you know wolf being um

 

0:32:41.519,0:32:46.559

just a an amazing creature and and their

 

0:32:44.799,0:32:48.600

Community how they hunt in packs and you

 

0:32:46.559,0:32:51.960

know so on I mean for God's sakes the

 

0:32:48.600,0:32:54.080

Boy Scouts of America you know uh that

 

0:32:51.960,0:32:56.399

was a honor badge like getting your wolf

 

0:32:54.080,0:32:58.760

your wolf badge and stuff I mean it's

 

0:32:56.399,0:33:00.960

it's a it's a cool animal for sure but

 

0:32:58.760,0:33:04.039

it's got to be kept in check and I also

 

0:33:00.960,0:33:06.880

yes sir I I also think that

 

0:33:04.039,0:33:10.919

um there was a reason why they were

 

0:33:06.880,0:33:14.200

depredated by our forefathers you know

 

0:33:10.919,0:33:17.000

and yeah definitely so highly

 

0:33:14.200,0:33:19.679

controversial uh discussion point and

 

0:33:17.000,0:33:22.720

again back to how the numbers get put

 

0:33:19.679,0:33:26.200

together and appeasing both sides you

 

0:33:22.720,0:33:28.399

know um at the end of the day you know

 

0:33:26.200,0:33:31.080

the biologist and Idaho fishing games

 

0:33:28.399,0:33:33.159

here I think have a tight RPP to walk

 

0:33:31.080,0:33:35.600

and uh it's got it can't be easy it

 

0:33:33.159,0:33:37.600

can't be difficult or it must be

 

0:33:35.600,0:33:39.440

difficult can't be easy must be very

 

0:33:37.600,0:33:42.080

difficult to appease both sides of the

 

0:33:39.440,0:33:43.559

of the aisle oh I can't imagine and kind

 

0:33:42.080,0:33:46.000

of going back to what you said there

 

0:33:43.559,0:33:48.320

like if somebody you know if you post a

 

0:33:46.000,0:33:50.600

wolf kill picture you get it from all

 

0:33:48.320,0:33:52.639

sides you know I can take it from an

 

0:33:50.600,0:33:54.880

anti-h Hunter because I know they're

 

0:33:52.639,0:33:57.799

against us you know what I mean I I know

 

0:33:54.880,0:33:59.799

or these wolf hunter or wolf lovers I

 

0:33:57.799,0:34:02.240

you know I get it from their from their

 

0:33:59.799,0:34:04.440

point of view what makes me sick but is

 

0:34:02.240,0:34:07.039

when I see a fellow Hunter down another

 

0:34:04.440,0:34:08.879

Hunter for taking a wolf well it makes

 

0:34:07.039,0:34:12.520

no sense at all they got to be educated

 

0:34:08.879,0:34:15.000

with regards to you know predators in

 

0:34:12.520,0:34:17.399

general I mean just in general that same

 

0:34:15.000,0:34:20.560

person is probably not keen on bear

 

0:34:17.399,0:34:25.000

hunting either and other and other

 

0:34:20.560,0:34:28.520

things so you know I think that's our

 

0:34:25.000,0:34:31.320

responsibility is um conserv ation

 

0:34:28.520,0:34:33.639

hunting is conservation is you know and

 

0:34:31.320,0:34:35.800

the community of conservation is all of

 

0:34:33.639,0:34:38.520

us that are a part of it it's not just

 

0:34:35.800,0:34:40.800

the hunters it's also the biologist it's

 

0:34:38.520,0:34:42.560

anybody that has a touch Point into it

 

0:34:40.800,0:34:44.359

the fishing game organizations the other

 

0:34:42.560,0:34:47.399

government agencies whoever's got a

 

0:34:44.359,0:34:49.839

touch point in it and opening the lines

 

0:34:47.399,0:34:52.639

of communication and if somebody is an

 

0:34:49.839,0:34:55.359

is a hunter or claims to be a hunter

 

0:34:52.639,0:34:57.040

that they're going to be anti- whatever

 

0:34:55.359,0:34:59.720

Predator we're going to talk about in

 

0:34:57.040,0:35:01.920

this case Wes then we have to slow down

 

0:34:59.720,0:35:03.800

and not get pissed off and like Angry we

 

0:35:01.920,0:35:05.520

just have to say hey have you having

 

0:35:03.800,0:35:08.640

your discussion points and your facts in

 

0:35:05.520,0:35:11.960

order is you know super beneficial and

 

0:35:08.640,0:35:13.800

helps and that's really you know I agree

 

0:35:11.960,0:35:16.880

with you there's nothing there's like

 

0:35:13.800,0:35:18.720

what do you mean like if you I've seen

 

0:35:16.880,0:35:20.640

it firsthand on our social media we'll

 

0:35:18.720,0:35:22.320

have somebody that's a cryptic person a

 

0:35:20.640,0:35:24.880

cryptic fan and they're like why would

 

0:35:22.320,0:35:26.599

you why would you kill that why would

 

0:35:24.880,0:35:29.800

you kill a wolf or why would you kill a

 

0:35:26.599,0:35:33.320

bear and you go and take time to do some

 

0:35:29.800,0:35:35.160

explanation so yep yeah same we get it

 

0:35:33.320,0:35:37.119

all time with coyes so I mean we're kind

 

0:35:35.160,0:35:39.760

of used to it but it's at the same time

 

0:35:37.119,0:35:41.680

every I we're used to it but at the same

 

0:35:39.760,0:35:44.040

time it's something I always have

 

0:35:41.680,0:35:45.599

trouble swallowing I just cannot

 

0:35:44.040,0:35:47.160

understand it from a fellow Hunter and

 

0:35:45.599,0:35:49.119

it kind of brings me back got me

 

0:35:47.160,0:35:51.839

thinking again about Colorado and this

 

0:35:49.119,0:35:53.160

proposition 127 when we were talking

 

0:35:51.839,0:35:54.920

about that a few minutes ago there's

 

0:35:53.160,0:35:57.119

probably guys on here list and probably

 

0:35:54.920,0:35:59.480

think well I don't care if they ban

 

0:35:57.119,0:36:02.760

Mountain line in Colorado I could care

 

0:35:59.480,0:36:05.319

less well there's probably even hunters

 

0:36:02.760,0:36:07.280

in Colorado that don't care but guess

 

0:36:05.319,0:36:09.839

what that's just getting their foot in

 

0:36:07.280,0:36:11.960

the door what's next Banning mule deer

 

0:36:09.839,0:36:13.599

hunting or you know elk hunting or you

 

0:36:11.960,0:36:15.560

know that's just a I mean that's just a

 

0:36:13.599,0:36:16.800

stepping stone for them it won't stop at

 

0:36:15.560,0:36:20.760

Mountain line and

 

0:36:16.800,0:36:23.760

bobcats right no it won't once you give

 

0:36:20.760,0:36:28.280

them a inch to take a mile that's for

 

0:36:23.760,0:36:30.560

sure yes sir it uh I don't know it's

 

0:36:28.280,0:36:32.599

crazy times I always hate seeing stuff

 

0:36:30.560,0:36:34.480

like that being put on the ballot you

 

0:36:32.599,0:36:37.319

know that that's up next month guys if

 

0:36:34.480,0:36:41.480

you're from Colorado we encourage you

 

0:36:37.319,0:36:43.280

vote go vote vote no we we want to we

 

0:36:41.480,0:36:46.520

want to keep our right to mount line

 

0:36:43.280,0:36:48.119

hunt Bobcat hunt so absolutely you know

 

0:36:46.520,0:36:49.520

I'm sure that state is absolutely full

 

0:36:48.119,0:36:52.200

of and it's just like the conservation

 

0:36:49.520,0:36:55.319

end of it you know Mountain lines are a

 

0:36:52.200,0:36:58.160

are a prolific Predator they can take

 

0:36:55.319,0:37:02.880

down any any game animal and

 

0:36:58.160,0:37:05.640

they want oh man you know I've seen some

 

0:37:02.880,0:37:07.680

depredation actually firsthand in Idaho

 

0:37:05.640,0:37:10.920

that's completely changed the landscape

 

0:37:07.680,0:37:14.599

with mountain Li specifically in

 

0:37:10.920,0:37:17.400

2013 um I had some tags that we drew and

 

0:37:14.599,0:37:19.280

uh extremely remote hard to get to and

 

0:37:17.400,0:37:22.440

gone out there it's down on the Nevada

 

0:37:19.280,0:37:24.160

border had scouted it a couple times and

 

0:37:22.440,0:37:26.200

uh actually was going in to take our

 

0:37:24.160,0:37:28.000

camp in and the main road to get to the

 

0:37:26.200,0:37:29.720

top of this mountain was graded out it

 

0:37:28.000,0:37:32.359

was like a highway and I was like what

 

0:37:29.720,0:37:34.319

in the world is going on here I get to

 

0:37:32.359,0:37:35.560

the top of the mountain and there's a

 

0:37:34.319,0:37:37.079

couple guys standing up there with a

 

0:37:35.560,0:37:39.640

fuel tank that had actually been

 

0:37:37.079,0:37:42.839

elevated up in the air so it was gravity

 

0:37:39.640,0:37:44.359

fed and uh I got out and I'm like hey

 

0:37:42.839,0:37:49.160

what are you guys doing and they're like

 

0:37:44.359,0:37:51.880

we're the refuel crew for um the uh uh

 

0:37:49.160,0:37:54.040

Hilo depredation for mountain lions that

 

0:37:51.880,0:37:56.920

that the government's doing right now

 

0:37:54.040,0:37:58.480

and um okay and so I said well if you

 

0:37:56.920,0:38:01.440

guys had any luck and he said yeah I

 

0:37:58.480,0:38:03.040

think we're up to about 50 now and I'm

 

0:38:01.440,0:38:04.440

like well how long how long have you

 

0:38:03.040,0:38:08.760

guys been out here and there's like this

 

0:38:04.440,0:38:12.200

is our second day two days oh my gosh

 

0:38:08.760,0:38:14.640

that's what I said so well that ought to

 

0:38:12.200,0:38:16.680

tell you something right there yeah

 

0:38:14.640,0:38:21.040

exactly you got too many of anything

 

0:38:16.680,0:38:23.680

it's not good right yeah no we were

 

0:38:21.040,0:38:25.640

hunting a uh elk hunting an area down in

 

0:38:23.680,0:38:27.040

the southwest down in New Mexico and I

 

0:38:25.640,0:38:29.800

remember the out we was hunting with an

 

0:38:27.040,0:38:32.040

outfit I was just a video videographer

 

0:38:29.800,0:38:33.760

at the time but I remember hearing the

 

0:38:32.040,0:38:37.000

guys talking about they were they had

 

0:38:33.760,0:38:39.440

done uh a study on their elk herd and

 

0:38:37.000,0:38:42.119

what was you know the main Predator that

 

0:38:39.440,0:38:45.359

was you know praying on the elk in that

 

0:38:42.119,0:38:47.680

area and I forgot you know I they I know

 

0:38:45.359,0:38:50.720

they did some aerial stuff and you know

 

0:38:47.680,0:38:52.440

was going and anyway after all the

 

0:38:50.720,0:38:54.079

studying you know they asked me said

 

0:38:52.440,0:38:57.599

what do you think's the number one

 

0:38:54.079,0:38:59.440

predator on the on the you know elk uh

 

0:38:57.599,0:39:01.200

calf crop and I was like well it's got

 

0:38:59.440,0:39:02.599

to be coyotes I see coyotes every day

 

0:39:01.200,0:39:03.960

out here y'all need to let me coyote

 

0:39:02.599,0:39:06.880

hunt you know that's all I was thinking

 

0:39:03.960,0:39:08.839

about it wasn't kyot it was Mountain

 

0:39:06.880,0:39:11.680

lines I think Mountain lines were number

 

0:39:08.839,0:39:14.079

one black bears were number two and then

 

0:39:11.680,0:39:17.640

coyotes were number three in that area

 

0:39:14.079,0:39:20.119

for the predation on elk Cavs during the

 

0:39:17.640,0:39:22.000

cing SE season for Elk evidently

 

0:39:20.119,0:39:24.760

Mountain lines were just shreding them I

 

0:39:22.000,0:39:27.160

mean just absolutely decimating them oh

 

0:39:24.760,0:39:31.240

yeah they are they are gnarly when it

 

0:39:27.160,0:39:32.079

comes to you know how many animals they

 

0:39:31.240,0:39:35.160

take

 

0:39:32.079,0:39:37.480

down uh it's a lot for one animal

 

0:39:35.160,0:39:40.720

they're not hunting packs right I mean

 

0:39:37.480,0:39:42.960

killing one big game animal a day and

 

0:39:40.720,0:39:45.640

it's just one you know I mean it's it's

 

0:39:42.960,0:39:48.040

a pretty incredible really uh and they

 

0:39:45.640,0:39:50.280

need to be kept in check that's for sure

 

0:39:48.040,0:39:52.040

um yeah and it and it shocked me that

 

0:39:50.280,0:39:53.599

black bears were number two and he's

 

0:39:52.040,0:39:55.839

like just explaining it to me like you

 

0:39:53.599,0:39:57.720

know hey when the Bears get to moving

 

0:39:55.839,0:39:59.400

and the Cavs are hitting the ground they

 

0:39:57.720,0:40:01.599

all eat every out CF that they trip

 

0:39:59.400,0:40:05.240

across I mean just they don't stand a

 

0:40:01.599,0:40:08.440

chance that that is uh that is something

 

0:40:05.240,0:40:12.200

that's for sure um I've seen that

 

0:40:08.440,0:40:14.880

firsthand and it's yeah bears are

 

0:40:12.200,0:40:17.760

ruthless when it comes to any CS really

 

0:40:14.880,0:40:20.640

uh or fawns just absolutely ruthless

 

0:40:17.760,0:40:22.640

they play a major role if uh they're not

 

0:40:20.640,0:40:24.560

kept in check with the elk and deer

 

0:40:22.640,0:40:27.599

populations for

 

0:40:24.560,0:40:29.920

sure I was going back to the wolves and

 

0:40:27.599,0:40:31.760

we were talking about you know their

 

0:40:29.920,0:40:34.079

their numbers their population wondering

 

0:40:31.760,0:40:36.599

what it actually is and I was trying to

 

0:40:34.079,0:40:41.079

find out if there was any studies on how

 

0:40:36.599,0:40:43.440

successful wolves were at uh at hunting

 

0:40:41.079,0:40:45.280

and of course who knows about this

 

0:40:43.440,0:40:48.280

information because I'm pretty sure this

 

0:40:45.280,0:40:51.040

was off one of those you know kind of

 

0:40:48.280,0:40:52.119

wolf lover anti- Hunter type sites but I

 

0:40:51.040,0:40:54.520

think you know they was trying to make

 

0:40:52.119,0:40:58.200

it look like they're not very successful

 

0:40:54.520,0:41:00.319

like 80% of their their hunts are fail

 

0:40:58.200,0:41:03.520

or something like that and of course I

 

0:41:00.319,0:41:05.319

got to thinking and I I know this from

 

0:41:03.520,0:41:08.319

some friends that I had up in the

 

0:41:05.319,0:41:10.599

Northwest that that had a cattle ranch

 

0:41:08.319,0:41:12.400

it's not just what a wolf kills you know

 

0:41:10.599,0:41:14.680

if a wolf catches something it's dead

 

0:41:12.400,0:41:17.119

right you mark eting right off but

 

0:41:14.680,0:41:19.560

talking about say if it's um you know

 

0:41:17.119,0:41:22.440

only 20% of their hunts are successful

 

0:41:19.560,0:41:26.280

and 80% are unsuccessful they just think

 

0:41:22.440,0:41:27.960

that 80% is no effect whatsoever but the

 

0:41:26.280,0:41:30.040

amount of stress

 

0:41:27.960,0:41:33.280

that animals in that area get from

 

0:41:30.040,0:41:36.560

constantly be being hunted by Wolves is

 

0:41:33.280,0:41:41.560

is is wild what I'm get to about this

 

0:41:36.560,0:41:45.280

story about about stress from wolves

 

0:41:41.560,0:41:49.480

um a family that I know had the cattle

 

0:41:45.280,0:41:52.160

ranch they had um had a huge group of

 

0:41:49.480,0:41:54.079

heers that they were selling cattle that

 

0:41:52.160,0:41:56.680

they were selling and had them down in a

 

0:41:54.079,0:41:58.960

in a like a alphaalpha field just

 

0:41:56.680,0:42:01.359

waiting to be delivered they had a semi

 

0:41:58.960,0:42:04.800

coming semis coming to gather them all

 

0:42:01.359,0:42:07.119

up and they were shipping them out um

 

0:42:04.800,0:42:08.839

they had actually weighed them they had

 

0:42:07.119,0:42:10.319

scales there at that ranch they weighed

 

0:42:08.839,0:42:13.160

them and done had you know we're going

 

0:42:10.319,0:42:16.440

to pay you x amount of money for per

 

0:42:13.160,0:42:19.400

pound for each head whatever well the

 

0:42:16.440,0:42:22.480

the night before the truck showed up to

 

0:42:19.400,0:42:24.920

deliver these cattle all these haers a

 

0:42:22.480,0:42:28.319

pack of wolves got into that field with

 

0:42:24.920,0:42:30.240

them and I think they killed like like

 

0:42:28.319,0:42:32.559

it was something like three the number

 

0:42:30.240,0:42:35.280

wasn't huge on what they killed but then

 

0:42:32.559,0:42:38.040

they maimed like hamstr strong like

 

0:42:35.280,0:42:39.880

seven or eight more and the St I'm not

 

0:42:38.040,0:42:42.720

going to mention the state it's just

 

0:42:39.880,0:42:45.640

Northwest put it that way

 

0:42:42.720,0:42:47.440

well officials come in they examine what

 

0:42:45.640,0:42:50.839

went on did an investigation and they

 

0:42:47.440,0:42:53.079

ended up paying them for the cattle that

 

0:42:50.839,0:42:56.760

were killed and the ones that were that

 

0:42:53.079,0:42:59.680

had been tore up but the thing was when

 

0:42:56.760,0:43:01.680

they delivered these C these cows these

 

0:42:59.680,0:43:05.640

heers they had lost the ones that

 

0:43:01.680,0:43:07.000

survived lost tons and tons of weight

 

0:43:05.640,0:43:09.079

and if anybody knows anything about

 

0:43:07.000,0:43:11.000

cattle if you go in and stress cattle

 

0:43:09.079,0:43:12.640

and run them around get them stressed

 

0:43:11.000,0:43:14.640

get them nervous and they lose a

 

0:43:12.640,0:43:17.119

tremendous amount of weight so what

 

0:43:14.640,0:43:19.680

happened is yeah they got paid back for

 

0:43:17.119,0:43:21.960

what got killed but they didn't get paid

 

0:43:19.680,0:43:24.280

back for all the weight that these heers

 

0:43:21.960,0:43:26.400

lost that that went had you know

 

0:43:24.280,0:43:28.720

directly affected their pocketbook they

 

0:43:26.400,0:43:30.640

don't get that money back and it happens

 

0:43:28.720,0:43:33.599

all the time out there it might not

 

0:43:30.640,0:43:36.160

happen every day and for every calf crop

 

0:43:33.599,0:43:37.960

but it happens a lot and that can break

 

0:43:36.160,0:43:40.240

that can break a family that can break

 

0:43:37.960,0:43:43.079

somebody that's a Rancher or farmer

 

0:43:40.240,0:43:45.000

right yeah the stress that it puts on

 

0:43:43.079,0:43:46.800

the game and livestock has got to be

 

0:43:45.000,0:43:48.160

tremendous and you know to go back to

 

0:43:46.800,0:43:50.400

your numbers you're saying like well

 

0:43:48.160,0:43:52.079

they're only successful on 20 or 30% of

 

0:43:50.400,0:43:55.200

their hunts well they're doing 10 or 15

 

0:43:52.079,0:43:58.440

hunts a day so they're killing something

 

0:43:55.200,0:44:00.920

I mean yes yeah so like if they chase 10

 

0:43:58.440,0:44:02.599

things a day and they only kill two w

 

0:44:00.920,0:44:06.160

well they're not doing very good job

 

0:44:02.599,0:44:10.000

really okay so and these things are

 

0:44:06.160,0:44:12.280

crafty crafty crafty man I've got um an

 

0:44:10.000,0:44:14.839

associate he's not a government employee

 

0:44:12.280,0:44:18.079

he works for a ranch uh and his primary

 

0:44:14.839,0:44:20.839

purpose in life is trapping coyotes and

 

0:44:18.079,0:44:24.880

deating wolves and he's been pulled in

 

0:44:20.839,0:44:27.960

on some problem wolves that he had to

 

0:44:24.880,0:44:29.559

work extremely extremely hard to take

 

0:44:27.960,0:44:32.520

out these problem wolves and

 

0:44:29.559,0:44:35.079

specifically the alpha Mel and at one

 

0:44:32.520,0:44:37.319

point uh he could not get this wolf to

 

0:44:35.079,0:44:39.359

come in to so he could get a shot always

 

0:44:37.319,0:44:42.520

knew he was there always knew when he

 

0:44:39.359,0:44:45.440

was on the ready he ended up taking uh

 

0:44:42.520,0:44:47.480

dog [ __ ] and a five gallon bucket up to

 

0:44:45.440,0:44:49.640

where he knew this this wolf kind of the

 

0:44:47.480,0:44:51.480

boundary that it would come in and he

 

0:44:49.640,0:44:54.000

basically just came back down the trail

 

0:44:51.480,0:44:57.160

and plac you know dog [ __ ] every 10 feet

 

0:44:54.000,0:44:58.559

or 10 yards or whatever and and uh

 

0:44:57.160,0:44:59.880

that's how he ended up killing the wolf

 

0:44:58.559,0:45:01.319

but it took him the better part of you

 

0:44:59.880,0:45:03.040

know a few weeks to try to get it

 

0:45:01.319,0:45:05.640

figured out they're just extremely

 

0:45:03.040,0:45:08.640

crafty extremely brilliant really smart

 

0:45:05.640,0:45:11.280

so you know you're not just going after

 

0:45:08.640,0:45:15.240

uh or have a predator that you know it's

 

0:45:11.280,0:45:18.359

got an high IQ basically in ability

 

0:45:15.240,0:45:21.680

to speaking of figuring them out and and

 

0:45:18.359,0:45:24.119

getting them killed you and U Mike Dylan

 

0:45:21.680,0:45:26.680

are planning a thermal wolf hunt this

 

0:45:24.119,0:45:27.720

winter aren't you later late late in

 

0:45:26.680,0:45:31.480

what

 

0:45:27.720,0:45:34.040

2025 yeah late winter 25 Spring I think

 

0:45:31.480,0:45:39.839

spring 2025 which would be late winner

 

0:45:34.040,0:45:41.839

for Alaska but um yeah it's uh it's

 

0:45:39.839,0:45:43.640

gonna be really super interesting so

 

0:45:41.839,0:45:46.839

we've got Mike and I both have an

 

0:45:43.640,0:45:49.720

associate an Outfitter in Alaska that um

 

0:45:46.839,0:45:51.960

has been pushing extremely hard for wolf

 

0:45:49.720,0:45:54.800

depredation and the ability to hunt

 

0:45:51.960,0:45:57.960

Wolves at night in Alaska with thermal

 

0:45:54.800,0:46:01.040

scopes for a while and he's Prim arily

 

0:45:57.960,0:46:02.640

he he he outfits you know all species

 

0:46:01.040,0:46:05.400

that are available in Alaska but his

 

0:46:02.640,0:46:08.040

primary bread and butter are sheep hunts

 

0:46:05.400,0:46:10.839

and the sheep have just been decimated

 

0:46:08.040,0:46:12.760

by the wolves and so he's been able to

 

0:46:10.839,0:46:15.880

actually go in and and get in front of

 

0:46:12.760,0:46:20.240

the state legislation and so on uh and

 

0:46:15.880,0:46:22.839

he's got this finally passed and he is a

 

0:46:20.240,0:46:25.559

uh probably the number one advocate for

 

0:46:22.839,0:46:29.280

uh nighttime thermal hunting in Alaska

 

0:46:25.559,0:46:32.280

right now and so uh he's reached out to

 

0:46:29.280,0:46:34.280

myself and Mike Dylan and and and said

 

0:46:32.280,0:46:36.160

hey guys please come up I want to get

 

0:46:34.280,0:46:37.480

the word out on this and I want to make

 

0:46:36.160,0:46:40.680

this something because we've got to put

 

0:46:37.480,0:46:43.079

a dent in these wolves and get things

 

0:46:40.680,0:46:44.760

under control because it's affecting you

 

0:46:43.079,0:46:47.920

know not only my livelihood but the

 

0:46:44.760,0:46:50.880

livelihood of uh other Outfitters and

 

0:46:47.920,0:46:53.839

just Sportsmen in general um and so

 

0:46:50.880,0:46:56.520

that's the plan right now um I think

 

0:46:53.839,0:46:58.640

that Mike wants to uh go after some

 

0:46:56.520,0:47:02.040

other why he's up there he's he's pretty

 

0:46:58.640,0:47:04.000

keen on a links and um I told him I said

 

0:47:02.040,0:47:07.000

okay here's the deal if we're if we're

 

0:47:04.000,0:47:09.319

night hum with thermal you up you're up

 

0:47:07.000,0:47:12.599

first with for Lynx but if we find a

 

0:47:09.319,0:47:13.800

Sasquatch or a Bigfoot I get first I get

 

0:47:12.599,0:47:16.520

first

 

0:47:13.800,0:47:18.520

shot oh my goodness sound like y'all

 

0:47:16.520,0:47:19.599

need St sound like y'all need Steve

 

0:47:18.520,0:47:21.599

dealing up here too I don't know if

 

0:47:19.599,0:47:23.880

you've been around Steve or not but he's

 

0:47:21.599,0:47:27.839

a Sasquatch he's a Sasquatch Hunter

 

0:47:23.880,0:47:31.400

himself so no y might have take him

 

0:47:27.839,0:47:33.359

with wouldn't that be something um but

 

0:47:31.400,0:47:37.240

that's the plan right now we talked

 

0:47:33.359,0:47:40.119

about doing it in Idaho um and that's

 

0:47:37.240,0:47:41.200

very possible but I think it's also very

 

0:47:40.119,0:47:43.000

difficult for all the purposes and

 

0:47:41.200,0:47:45.000

reasons we've been talking about I think

 

0:47:43.000,0:47:48.160

that your chances of success in Alaska

 

0:47:45.000,0:47:50.200

are a little bit higher just because um

 

0:47:48.160,0:47:52.040

there's not you know these animals

 

0:47:50.200,0:47:54.240

haven't been hunted as much or shot at

 

0:47:52.040,0:47:56.640

as much is probably a better a better

 

0:47:54.240,0:47:57.720

statement so right that's the plan right

 

0:47:56.640,0:48:00.319

now

 

0:47:57.720,0:48:01.720

hopefully it's a huge success I'm sure

 

0:48:00.319,0:48:04.000

you guys will have a good time it'd be

 

0:48:01.720,0:48:06.280

something both of you brought a brought

 

0:48:04.000,0:48:08.559

a wolf back yeah that'd be great

 

0:48:06.280,0:48:12.359

wouldn't it I'd love that I think that

 

0:48:08.559,0:48:15.079

uh that'd be would you would you mount

 

0:48:12.359,0:48:18.920

it I'd have to give it some thought

 

0:48:15.079,0:48:21.079

probably um probably not I Know M I know

 

0:48:18.920,0:48:22.680

Mike would I I probably wouldn't mount

 

0:48:21.079,0:48:25.800

it but I definitely have the the Pelt

 

0:48:22.680,0:48:29.680

hanging on the wall um if I were to

 

0:48:25.800,0:48:31.280

mount it I I look strongly at uh uh

 

0:48:29.680,0:48:32.920

there's a couple taxidermist that are

 

0:48:31.280,0:48:34.599

doing this one up in Montana that's

 

0:48:32.920,0:48:37.119

gotten a lot of tension where they make

 

0:48:34.599,0:48:40.680

a pillow and it looks like a wolf just

 

0:48:37.119,0:48:42.319

sleeping on the couch yeah yeah Mike

 

0:48:40.680,0:48:44.119

actually has one of those it's a it's a

 

0:48:42.319,0:48:46.359

cow M but man that thing will scare you

 

0:48:44.119,0:48:48.400

to death you walk in the house it' be

 

0:48:46.359,0:48:50.880

laid up on a couch or whatever you think

 

0:48:48.400,0:48:52.680

it's a wolf or a Coy laying there

 

0:48:50.880,0:48:54.200

because they look good that's that's

 

0:48:52.680,0:48:56.960

probably what I would do if I were to

 

0:48:54.200,0:48:59.559

get it mounted that's a clever put that

 

0:48:56.960,0:49:02.040

in the guest room uh so when Mike comes

 

0:48:59.559,0:49:05.000

to visit he can sleep with my wolf There

 

0:49:02.040,0:49:06.599

He Go I'm pretty I'm pretty sure I can

 

0:49:05.000,0:49:08.559

count I think I can count just everybody

 

0:49:06.599,0:49:10.520

on one hand that I know who personally

 

0:49:08.559,0:49:14.359

who's killed a wolf I think Steve Dylan

 

0:49:10.520,0:49:16.520

has killed a wolf I know Big Al has uh

 

0:49:14.359,0:49:19.720

longtime Fox Pro staffer one of the

 

0:49:16.520,0:49:21.920

original staffers Tom Austin he has

 

0:49:19.720,0:49:23.680

killed maybe a couple wolves I know he's

 

0:49:21.920,0:49:25.480

called in other wolves for other people

 

0:49:23.680,0:49:28.359

he's actually called several wolves in

 

0:49:25.480,0:49:31.160

with a fox Pro and maybe have done has

 

0:49:28.359,0:49:32.520

done it in Idaho but uh there's three

 

0:49:31.160,0:49:34.200

right off the top of my head I know I

 

0:49:32.520,0:49:36.880

could probably think of a h a couple

 

0:49:34.200,0:49:39.240

more but I'd like to add Mike Dylan and

 

0:49:36.880,0:49:41.200

but Whiting to the list as well so hope

 

0:49:39.240,0:49:42.880

I'll get that done this March yeah

 

0:49:41.200,0:49:45.240

absolutely I'd be like to be on the list

 

0:49:42.880,0:49:47.760

too I like I said I know quite a few

 

0:49:45.240,0:49:50.079

guys that have taken a handful but they

 

0:49:47.760,0:49:52.480

have worked their nuts off to do it and

 

0:49:50.079,0:49:54.839

put a lot of it's no simple task it's

 

0:49:52.480,0:49:57.400

definitely not really the easiest way to

 

0:49:54.839,0:50:00.200

depredate wolves is to trap them and in

 

0:49:57.400,0:50:01.520

a lot of those hunts um you know if

 

0:50:00.200,0:50:04.160

you're going to go on a wolf hunt you're

 

0:50:01.520,0:50:07.880

going to uh shoot it in a

 

0:50:04.160,0:50:10.079

snare um that's the most effective way

 

0:50:07.880,0:50:13.079

to actually depredate you know wolves

 

0:50:10.079,0:50:16.200

but uh just to you know acquire one or

 

0:50:13.079,0:50:18.520

call one in and shoot them is very very

 

0:50:16.200,0:50:21.200

challenging for sure very challenging

 

0:50:18.520,0:50:25.000

that that will be

 

0:50:21.200,0:50:26.880

epic yeah thank you I hope so too well

 

0:50:25.000,0:50:28.440

but you uh I know you've got a you've

 

0:50:26.880,0:50:29.480

got a run you got anything you'd like to

 

0:50:28.440,0:50:31.640

leave us

 

0:50:29.480,0:50:35.880

with hey if you guys are listening to

 

0:50:31.640,0:50:38.960

this podcast I appreciate uh the support

 

0:50:35.880,0:50:42.160

that the majority of the guys at Foxboro

 

0:50:38.960,0:50:44.839

have provided to cryptech um God bless

 

0:50:42.160,0:50:47.040

America May Trump win the election here

 

0:50:44.839,0:50:50.160

November 5th and put our nation back on

 

0:50:47.040,0:50:52.760

track and uh take

 

0:50:50.160,0:50:54.400

care awesome sounds great to me thanks

 

0:50:52.760,0:50:56.319

for coming on Butch we hope everyone

 

0:50:54.400,0:51:00.440

enjoyed this episode we hope you join us

 

0:50:56.319,0:51:00.440

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