FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Cliff Martin dive into the details of fox calling. Cliff shares the calling sequences that have contributed to his success in the field.
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Monday at gofoxpro.com now let's get to
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the podcast we've got another new guest
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to welcome this gentleman has been
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requested by listeners several several
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times and we finally got him on here one
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of the best Fox hunters in the world Mr
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Cliff Martin how you doing Cliff hey
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doing pretty well how's it going John
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going pretty good pretty excited to get
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you on here uh it definitely looks like
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you've been uh burning the coyotes and
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the uh the coyotes and the fox up here
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over the last few weeks how's the how's
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the Colin actually been for you the
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pictures look great see lots of fox and
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in a few few coyotes along the way as
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well yeah we usually beginning end of
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September beginning October um we kind
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of get the itch to get out and uh yeah
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go after some fur um so we do some
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coyote hunting early on and then once uh
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end of October hits Fox season comes in
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we'll Target them for for a little while
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here and uh yeah it's been been pretty
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good here of late if you early in the
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season we struggled with um had crops
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out in the fields but since since crops
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been off it's been pretty been pretty
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productive yeah once the once the crops
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come down it opens up a lot of ground
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don't it yeah for sure well Cliff before
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we dive right into the to the thick of
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it won't you tell everyone a little bit
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a little bit more about yourself uh you
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know where you from how long been
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hunting all that good
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stuff yeah I I was born and raised in
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Pennsylvania
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about H half an hour 45 minutes north of
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where I'm at now up towards Reading PA
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and um I currently live in Lancaster
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County and uh yeah I've been predater
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hunting
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for oh it's probably I think I I think I
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tried to figure it out before I got the
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phone call here it's probably been 20 25
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years something like that I've been
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doing it yeah yeah um yeah the last last
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10 15 it's been a little bit more
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serious about it but yeah that's uh
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that's a that's quite a bit of
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experience you know there's a lot of
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newcomers to the sport and you know it's
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one of the reasons we got you on here I
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know you had a lot of experience and uh
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hopefully hopefully we can all learn a
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little something from you I you know I
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don't I kill a fox or three here and
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there every once in a while down here
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where I'm at Kentucky we don't have many
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Fox Fox at all I actually do have a few
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trail camera pictures of foxes on a few
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of the places I've got cameras out
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trying to find a trying to find a buck
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to hunt and I've actually saw a fox out
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mousing around the other day just like
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right in the middle of the day which I
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don't see hardly ever it was like 1:00
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in the afternoon and saw a big old red
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fox mousing mousing around so I kind of
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Mark that down on my onx so I can come
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back when our season comes in see our
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season doesn't come in till mid November
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for Fox so I just had to just had to
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watch him uh so you know I would want to
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be trying to call him in anyway but yeah
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I've seen on in your past videos I've
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seen uh Jeremy Bailey roll one already
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he did he did yeah there's been several
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that's back in the tooth and Claw days
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yeah we had him I remember that hun we
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had struggled a little bit on the
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coyotes and we called some and had some
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mishaps with some uh misses I ain't
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going to say who missed but uh he uh
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well I'll just go ahead tell you Jeremy
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missed but I tell you what he fully re
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missed a couple CS but he fully redeemed
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himself on that fox because that fox
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come in I can't remember it either cenus
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or Cutter wind or or the call or
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something and that thing took off
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burning out of there and he made an
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incredible shot on that
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thing
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yep yeah like I said Cliff we're excited
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to have you on here and again guys here
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here at the fox Pro podcast we want to
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pull from the best Predator hunters in
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the world and Cliff is definitely one of
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them Cliff has been a been a fox Pro
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staffer for many years and he's very
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well known for his Fox calling abilities
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we've had numerous I mean numerous
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requests to get cliff on the podcast and
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now right here he is so Cliff one thing
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that I have definitely noticed when it
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comes to Pennsylvania Fox season is when
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it actually comes in when Fox season
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opens on opening night it's like a it's
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like a state holiday uh there's a ton of
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buildup for open for opening night and
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it's uh you know I know where at the
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office at the fox Pro office that's all
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they thought about the weeks weeks
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leading up to it um I'm sure it's like
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that the buzz is like that throughout
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the whole state is it just the build up
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to opening night of fox season yeah it's
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kind of um it's been a big deal in my
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life the last number of years it's
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something I yeah really enjoy looking
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forward to it
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um yeah it's uh it's always marked on
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the C when it's go time so yeah it's
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always look you're always looking
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forward to that um Fox season yeah you
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know and one thing about it you know I I
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see several guys that stay seem like
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they stay after the Cs pretty regular up
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there but when but when Fox season opens
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it seems like I don't know just people
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come out of the woodwork it seems like
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everyone's hunting it I mean is there
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more is there actually more Fox Hunters
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than there is your general Predator
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Hunters that will go after Kouts too or
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or am I seeing that wrong
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I would say on this part of the state
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probably more so um yeah the southeast
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corner or the Eastern side of the state
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you definitely have quite a bit more Fox
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than you will coyotes um that's starting
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to change a little bit in certain
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Pockets um there starting to be seems
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like the coyotes are spreading out more
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and more like I used to to get into
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coyotes we had to go to get into cons
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coyotes a little bit more consistent we
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had to go about an hour North now we're
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we got formed in our backyard where you
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can especially early season you can
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consistently get on coyotes right right
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why you know I've been seeing from your
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pictures you've been posting on social
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media that you know you'll have a great
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big old pile of fox and you'll be maybe
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a coyote or two in the mix every once in
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a
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while yeah and it's it's been like that
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the last number of years where you get
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into um yeah your alcohol and you using
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calling for Fox using just all distress
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sounds and yeah you'll call in a coyote
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here and there um do you ever you ever
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get on a stand where you'll call a fox
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and a Coy at the same time on the same
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stand I I myself never have um I know
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guys I know guys quite a few guys that
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have in the past um yeah
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on yeah well I know when we were hunting
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that's a county probably an hour and a
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half from here I know my brother did
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that one night in where he shot a red
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fox gray fox and a coyote on one stand I
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can't say I ever did that a little
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jealous of I am too sounds like a heck
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of a stand right there yeah yeah well
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let me ask you this um you know how much
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do you get you mentioned you know you
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start getting kind of getting geared up
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September and stuff like that you start
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thinking about calling calling a little
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bit more how much do you get out and
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call for coyotes in Pennsylvania uh when
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when Fox season is not in you know when
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Fox season is out you know leading up to
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Fox season or after Fox season
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closes well yeah in years past um once
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Fox season was in then Cliff just I mean
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we forgot the coyotes and we went Fox we
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were just targeting Fox um the last few
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years I've gotten a lot more phone calls
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from Farmers saying they want coyotes
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killed right so the last couple years I
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I mean I had haven't target targeted Fox
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near as hard as I have in the past and
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we we've done a little bit more coyote
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calling throughout the course of the fox
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season than I would have in the past
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right right one thing I wanted to ask
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you about um I know the answer and uh
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I've heard you talk about it once before
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and then I know you took Mike and Jace
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out the other day the Dylan boys and
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jaay he was surprised to hear what what
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you say about with lights versus thermal
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but are you a light you know tell us
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about it you you hunt with lights or you
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like
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thermal um yeah there when we're K when
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we're Fox huning I love my lights um if
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we're if we're say Friday night we're
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plan on going out fox hunting it's going
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to be red lights now I I still have my
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thermal on my scanner on me and I'm
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scanning Fields um it's awesome
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for if you hit a fox and and it doesn't
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go straight down you can pull your
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thermal up and watch it where it runs
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and falls over um but yeah if we're just
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targeting Fox it's lights are so much
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more fun for for
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me um now if we're if we're targeting
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coyotes then we're we're running all
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thermal setups now why why not lights
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for the
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cows well because thermal is more
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productive okay what but but not more
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productive for the foxo or is it just a
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personal preference type thing you just
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like the lights better for Fox well it's
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just more exciting seeing the eyes
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coming bouncing across the fields um
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it's just and I'm not looking I'm not
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looking at a screen all night I can I
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mean you've seen it I don't know I know
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you don't spend a lot of time out Fox
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Hunt or uh coyote hunting at night time
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more of a daytime caller but like
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there's some nights I mean you're seeing
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all falling stars and all that kind of
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stuff and when you're have your head in
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the thermal all night long you don't see
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any of that and it's just I something
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about seeing those eyes come bouncing
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across the field gets gets me going
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right and like you said you kind of
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taking taking taking in more of the of
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your surroundings I guess if you don't
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have your eyes shoved into a thermal I
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can understand that and and also with uh
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with fox hunting some of my spots are
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fairly tight um I mean I try to be out
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in the open I I like to have at least a
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100 yards around me where of visible of
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where I can see but there's times like
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with with thermal you have no uh
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peripheral vision and there's times
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where out of the when you're scanning
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with lights out of the corner of my eye
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I'll catch the eyes and like with
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thermal I won't see that till I come
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back through and um yeah I I just like
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the whole the whole experience seems
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more enjoyable for me running red lights
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for Fox so you do run red not white or
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green it's you're a red light guy red
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light guy yep so do you feel like when
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it comes to the fox you know I you kind
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of answered that the reason you like the
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lights but do you feel like you're
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actually more successful with lights for
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Fox or do you think that if you if you
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did like this year with with straight
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lights for Fox and then next year went
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straight thermal uh which year would you
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know say you got the same number of
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foxes you got the same number of stands
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and all that type of stuff out there do
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you think you could actually kill more
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with lights when it comes to fox hunting
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versus
0:12:03.839,0:12:10.440
thermal um for Fox I'm not sure if I
0:12:07.360,0:12:13.720
would I think um because a lot of times
0:12:10.440,0:12:15.720
I'm by myself box hunting so I don't and
0:12:13.720,0:12:17.320
then if I'm coyote hunting I have two PE
0:12:15.720,0:12:19.240
you have two people two or three people
0:12:17.320,0:12:21.920
running scanners so you can cover so
0:12:19.240,0:12:24.360
much ground and I feel for myself
0:12:21.920,0:12:27.680
running red lights I can cover area a
0:12:24.360,0:12:30.480
lot better running solo now um I know
0:12:27.680,0:12:33.240
for a fact well I guess I don't know for
0:12:30.480,0:12:35.880
a fact but I would I would be pretty
0:12:33.240,0:12:38.199
positive like in areas that I Fox Hunt
0:12:35.880,0:12:40.959
and had done well there's more and more
0:12:38.199,0:12:42.920
coyotes that if I would strictly go
0:12:40.959,0:12:44.839
lights out running thermal or night
0:12:42.920,0:12:47.440
vision I would probably kill a little
0:12:44.839,0:12:49.160
bit more coyotes when I'm out Fox Hing
0:12:47.440,0:12:50.360
right but you don't see it making a
0:12:49.160,0:12:52.560
difference you don't think you'd
0:12:50.360,0:12:55.199
actually be killing more with thermal
0:12:52.560,0:12:58.360
more Fox with running thermal versus
0:12:55.199,0:13:00.760
lights in my preference in my experience
0:12:58.360,0:13:03.720
I don't know if I don't know if I don't
0:13:00.760,0:13:06.959
know if I would um it would take I don't
0:13:03.720,0:13:10.000
feel I don't feel quite as uh efficient
0:13:06.959,0:13:12.240
as well like with red lights like all
0:13:10.000,0:13:13.760
the all the stuff I don't have to think
0:13:12.240,0:13:16.720
about what I'm doing with when it comes
0:13:13.760,0:13:19.560
with thermal it feels like stuff happens
0:13:16.720,0:13:20.720
fast and I feel like I'm a little bit
0:13:19.560,0:13:23.279
beyond the eight ball when they're
0:13:20.720,0:13:25.120
coming in like that with lights I can I
0:13:23.279,0:13:27.040
mean it's I can get your light right on
0:13:25.120,0:13:28.760
them my headlight stays on them I spin
0:13:27.040,0:13:31.959
the tripod over and if he's staying
0:13:28.760,0:13:33.600
there he's dead right right that's good
0:13:31.959,0:13:35.360
stuff hey I don't want to pull you away
0:13:33.600,0:13:38.240
from it you like your lights run with
0:13:35.360,0:13:42.600
the lights that's for sure what how how
0:13:38.240,0:13:45.720
do you see the the trend of fox and cow
0:13:42.600,0:13:47.560
hunting with the guys that you know uh
0:13:45.720,0:13:50.720
and the hunters in your area when it
0:13:47.560,0:13:52.639
comes to lights and uh and thermal you
0:13:50.720,0:13:55.000
still see a lot of people running lights
0:13:52.639,0:13:57.440
up there in that country besides for you
0:13:55.000,0:14:00.320
or do you see it more transitioning over
0:13:57.440,0:14:03.040
to uh to the thermal game more night
0:14:00.320,0:14:04.639
vision um I think it's more guys that
0:14:03.040,0:14:08.079
are getting into it are going to be
0:14:04.639,0:14:10.320
running lights um some younger yeah
0:14:08.079,0:14:12.440
teenager younger teenagers or something
0:14:10.320,0:14:13.880
that don't have a couple Grand to go out
0:14:12.440,0:14:17.160
and get equipment they're going to be
0:14:13.880,0:14:20.680
out there running lights um it's in some
0:14:17.160,0:14:23.399
of the areas I go it's not uncommon to
0:14:20.680,0:14:26.680
be when I'm out nigh hunting to see
0:14:23.399,0:14:30.000
lights flashing in the fields right um
0:14:26.680,0:14:33.000
so yeah but I think guys get more
0:14:30.000,0:14:35.120
experience I mean yeah if they're
0:14:33.000,0:14:36.839
running into coyotes and stuff seeing
0:14:35.120,0:14:39.399
some coyotes occasionally or hearing
0:14:36.839,0:14:41.600
coyotes they're going to eventually if
0:14:39.399,0:14:43.279
they're kind of serious about it they're
0:14:41.600,0:14:47.199
going to eventually go night vision or
0:14:43.279,0:14:49.680
thermal at some point now let me ask you
0:14:47.199,0:14:51.839
about like if you go to these these
0:14:49.680,0:14:55.160
areas where you know you have you know
0:14:51.839,0:14:56.959
like they're Fox areas but you know in
0:14:55.160,0:14:59.720
the back of your mind that you've got
0:14:56.959,0:15:01.600
chance a chance possibly at a coyot you
0:14:59.720,0:15:03.920
know there's you know there's coyotes
0:15:01.600,0:15:05.519
there as well do you still go in with
0:15:03.920,0:15:08.079
your lights or do you switch over to
0:15:05.519,0:15:10.959
Thermal cuz I know you do both right
0:15:08.079,0:15:13.279
yeah I do both I I do both um if I'm in
0:15:10.959,0:15:15.839
an area where I know there's an outside
0:15:13.279,0:15:18.600
CH a chance of coyotes I
0:15:15.839,0:15:20.759
usually the last two years my coyote rig
0:15:18.600,0:15:23.320
is always in the truck as well and if we
0:15:20.759,0:15:24.920
get out of the truck and we hear coyotes
0:15:23.320,0:15:27.480
um then we're probably going to go
0:15:24.920,0:15:29.880
lights out and go and kind of Target the
0:15:27.480,0:15:31.880
coyotes if we hear them or in an area
0:15:29.880,0:15:35.000
where I where I know I can get close to
0:15:31.880,0:15:36.959
them right right I got you yeah so the
0:15:35.000,0:15:41.519
last couple years the coyo gun is
0:15:36.959,0:15:41.519
usually along for the ride and yeah
0:15:41.800,0:15:47.480
it's that's good stuff
0:15:44.120,0:15:49.240
so if you I guess um so if there's
0:15:47.480,0:15:51.480
newcomers coming to the sports you know
0:15:49.240,0:15:54.399
there's so much such a big push for
0:15:51.480,0:15:57.600
thermal and thermal is awesome uh but
0:15:54.399,0:15:59.360
for Fox especially up there in in your
0:15:57.600,0:16:01.639
area where you have so many Fox or
0:15:59.360,0:16:03.519
Maryland and all those type of States
0:16:01.639,0:16:04.920
you I guess I'm assuming you would tell
0:16:03.519,0:16:06.120
guys don't be afraid to go out there
0:16:04.920,0:16:08.279
with your lights you know if you're W to
0:16:06.120,0:16:11.480
get into the game and you don't have the
0:16:08.279,0:16:14.600
money to spend on thermal and stuff like
0:16:11.480,0:16:17.839
that that lights are still very
0:16:14.600,0:16:19.079
adequate yeah they can be very I mean
0:16:17.839,0:16:22.680
yeah I
0:16:19.079,0:16:25.279
would very effective and preferred by me
0:16:22.680,0:16:28.240
um I think the most problems just
0:16:25.279,0:16:30.319
hunting with different guys the biggest
0:16:28.240,0:16:32.639
problem gu guys get with lights is not
0:16:30.319,0:16:35.639
knowing how to run them I think like you
0:16:32.639,0:16:38.040
can't be I see guys take guys along or
0:16:35.639,0:16:40.319
something and they're shining on
0:16:38.040,0:16:42.480
equipment on your gun on your they
0:16:40.319,0:16:43.839
shining at the ground all the time
0:16:42.480,0:16:45.600
that's the type of stuff will make
0:16:43.839,0:16:48.120
lights not effective for you because I
0:16:45.600,0:16:50.680
think lights themselves won't scare the
0:16:48.120,0:16:52.519
fox but when you shine on something like
0:16:50.680,0:16:54.639
the gun barrel or shine on someone's
0:16:52.519,0:16:58.199
face the glare I think is what can spook
0:16:54.639,0:17:00.199
an animal right so what would be the top
0:16:58.199,0:17:03.799
besides for that what would be the top
0:17:00.199,0:17:06.480
mistakes that you see Hunters make with
0:17:03.799,0:17:08.160
lights um yeah kind of like what I said
0:17:06.480,0:17:11.799
there shining
0:17:08.160,0:17:14.199
on shining on like on the other your
0:17:11.799,0:17:18.000
other partners or shining on equipment
0:17:14.199,0:17:20.880
or um like if I'm if I'm close to Woods
0:17:18.000,0:17:23.160
I don't like to be shining like directly
0:17:20.880,0:17:25.760
on trees and like shining in through the
0:17:23.160,0:17:27.799
woods because I think the Shadows that
0:17:25.760,0:17:29.320
you're you're creating I think can also
0:17:27.799,0:17:30.880
spook
0:17:29.320,0:17:31.880
the animals that they're coming through
0:17:30.880,0:17:35.000
the
0:17:31.880,0:17:37.400
woods interesting I've heard that before
0:17:35.000,0:17:40.360
that you cast a shadow that that people
0:17:37.400,0:17:44.360
think that's you know Spooks them uh I
0:17:40.360,0:17:47.840
have I have next to zero experience with
0:17:44.360,0:17:50.039
lights one thing I've heard that uh
0:17:47.840,0:17:52.960
about lights that they say some people
0:17:50.039,0:17:54.919
mess up on is how they cast the light
0:17:52.960,0:17:56.600
onto an animal once it comes out there
0:17:54.919,0:17:59.240
I've always heard you want to keep them
0:17:56.600,0:18:01.960
like in the bottom part of the Halo or
0:17:59.240,0:18:04.960
or something like that how true is that
0:18:01.960,0:18:07.720
yeah like I and I try to see I'm out
0:18:04.960,0:18:10.440
there calling by myself um I'm scanning
0:18:07.720,0:18:13.840
the fields when I see a set of eyes I
0:18:10.440,0:18:17.400
look at it with my I keep my scan light
0:18:13.840,0:18:20.679
like on it and then I I have my gun on a
0:18:17.400,0:18:23.799
tripod and I turn my kill light on I'm
0:18:20.679,0:18:26.799
standing kind of kind of behind my gun
0:18:23.799,0:18:28.559
but like within like I don't have to
0:18:26.799,0:18:32.080
make a take a step or anything to turn
0:18:28.559,0:18:34.840
my light on or and I I turn my gun light
0:18:32.080,0:18:36.799
on spin my gun and have my light not
0:18:34.840,0:18:38.960
directly on the animal but in his just
0:18:36.799,0:18:41.080
general direction shining over top of it
0:18:38.960,0:18:44.360
a little bit I got you I got you and
0:18:41.080,0:18:47.840
I'll keep that light on that um all the
0:18:44.360,0:18:50.760
time because I it happens fairly often
0:18:47.840,0:18:51.919
if you have a fox out at 250 or
0:18:50.760,0:18:54.480
something like that and he's just
0:18:51.919,0:18:57.280
working his way in slow so you're
0:18:54.480,0:18:59.679
going I mean you're keeping the sound on
0:18:57.280,0:19:01.480
and I keep my Kill Light shining on in
0:18:59.679,0:19:04.120
his Direction and then I constantly
0:19:01.480,0:19:05.760
scanning around me as I'm as that one's
0:19:04.120,0:19:08.520
coming in because it happens fairly
0:19:05.760,0:19:10.840
often where you have another one that
0:19:08.520,0:19:13.000
comes in faster or comes in from a
0:19:10.840,0:19:16.080
different direction oh I got you I got
0:19:13.000,0:19:18.919
you so I like to always have a light
0:19:16.080,0:19:21.600
once I see the once I see the fox I like
0:19:18.919,0:19:24.400
to keep my scan light in their Direction
0:19:21.600,0:19:26.000
and then get my kill light on them or
0:19:24.400,0:19:28.440
not really on them but just shining
0:19:26.000,0:19:30.640
above them then I feel like my movement
0:19:28.440,0:19:34.679
behind the gun I can I can still move my
0:19:30.640,0:19:36.559
head and still be all right so I've I've
0:19:34.679,0:19:39.080
seen over the years that you'll
0:19:36.559,0:19:42.159
participate in a few
0:19:39.080,0:19:44.039
contest Predator hunts up there and I've
0:19:42.159,0:19:48.039
seen you've walked Walked Away with a
0:19:44.039,0:19:50.320
few wins and you know top you know two
0:19:48.039,0:19:53.360
or three finishes always always make a
0:19:50.320,0:19:55.559
good showing so you're winning those
0:19:53.360,0:19:58.360
contests running
0:19:55.559,0:20:00.120
lights yeah the the last number of year
0:19:58.360,0:20:01.799
I mean unless it's a strictly a coyote
0:20:00.120,0:20:05.080
hunt then I would be running thermal but
0:20:01.799,0:20:07.159
it's if Cliff has Fox killed pal Fox
0:20:05.080,0:20:09.480
there he was running lights that's
0:20:07.159,0:20:11.440
awesome and guys go check out Cliff
0:20:09.480,0:20:14.200
Martin's Facebook page you'll see what
0:20:11.440,0:20:16.120
I'm saying he'll usually have a pile of
0:20:14.200,0:20:17.480
fox and like I said I've seen on the on
0:20:16.120,0:20:19.840
the contest where you all have them
0:20:17.480,0:20:22.280
hanging off the deal or laying there on
0:20:19.840,0:20:24.559
the ground and there's a you know you
0:20:22.280,0:20:26.200
know truckload of the things and you've
0:20:24.559,0:20:29.360
done every bit of that with lights I'm
0:20:26.200,0:20:31.320
sure you might be beating people with
0:20:29.360,0:20:34.240
thousands and thousands of dollars of
0:20:31.320,0:20:37.120
thermal and I think that's pretty
0:20:34.240,0:20:39.919
impressive yeah and like I said I so I
0:20:37.120,0:20:42.400
think for myself I don't I don't yeah
0:20:39.919,0:20:44.320
for fox hunting I don't think I need the
0:20:42.400,0:20:46.960
expensive equipment and which the
0:20:44.320,0:20:48.039
thermal is incredible it's fun to use
0:20:46.960,0:20:50.799
it's
0:20:48.039,0:20:52.360
awesome and I like even when I'm out
0:20:50.799,0:20:54.440
there fox hunting with red lights
0:20:52.360,0:20:58.600
thermals always on me I'm using that to
0:20:54.440,0:21:00.919
recover animals or scan Fields like
0:20:58.600,0:21:03.080
occasionally you'll see one way out with
0:21:00.919,0:21:06.799
the thermal that I don't see with lights
0:21:03.080,0:21:08.360
and I'll be able to either move on it or
0:21:06.799,0:21:10.559
coming from a different direction or
0:21:08.360,0:21:12.919
whatnot so the thermal is always on me
0:21:10.559,0:21:14.960
but I'm not running it okay I I got you
0:21:12.919,0:21:17.520
so like even if you're on stand with
0:21:14.960,0:21:19.520
lights for Fox you still you a lot of
0:21:17.520,0:21:21.880
times have a scanner scanner with you
0:21:19.520,0:21:24.400
hanging around your neck or or whatever
0:21:21.880,0:21:25.559
correct y I got you I got you well I
0:21:24.400,0:21:27.279
want to ask you another thing about the
0:21:25.559,0:21:29.400
contest I actually wasn't planning on
0:21:27.279,0:21:31.400
talking about contest stuff but it kind
0:21:29.400,0:21:33.720
of just popped in my head here and
0:21:31.400,0:21:37.760
talking about some of your impressive
0:21:33.720,0:21:39.440
finishes and stuff like that um how does
0:21:37.760,0:21:41.080
is there any kind of scouting that goes
0:21:39.440,0:21:43.000
in for those contests you know like when
0:21:41.080,0:21:45.720
are Fox contest because how do you even
0:21:43.000,0:21:47.919
how do you Scout for Fox besides for
0:21:45.720,0:21:51.120
just going out and looking for them and
0:21:47.919,0:21:54.400
and that type of stuff well some of that
0:21:51.120,0:21:57.039
is yeah the 25 years of hunting in the
0:21:54.400,0:22:00.159
same general areas right right you know
0:21:57.039,0:22:03.480
your ground yeah I know the ground um
0:22:00.159,0:22:06.679
and I yeah over the years I've like if
0:22:03.480,0:22:08.039
we're in a hunt I'm I mean we're not
0:22:06.679,0:22:11.679
spending a whole lot of time in the
0:22:08.039,0:22:15.360
truck we're I have Farms I have routes
0:22:11.679,0:22:18.279
that we go and I mean you're get out of
0:22:15.360,0:22:20.760
the truck you're calling a stand for 10
0:22:18.279,0:22:23.799
10 15 minutes well in a hund it's 10
0:22:20.760,0:22:25.559
minutes max and you're back in the truck
0:22:23.799,0:22:28.360
half mile mile down the road and you're
0:22:25.559,0:22:30.039
back out of the truck right and it's so
0:22:28.360,0:22:32.840
it's it's kind of a vicious cycle all
0:22:30.039,0:22:35.400
night long so in other words what what's
0:22:32.840,0:22:37.520
winning at is is woodsmanship knowing
0:22:35.400,0:22:39.679
your ground having solid game plan and
0:22:37.520,0:22:43.360
not making any not having any wasted
0:22:39.679,0:22:47.480
time yeah wasted time and and I hear it
0:22:43.360,0:22:50.679
so often at Hunts is like guns got to be
0:22:47.480,0:22:53.559
um yeah guns got to be dowed in like in
0:22:50.679,0:22:56.799
a hunt like if I'm not if I'm not
0:22:53.559,0:22:59.360
killing yeah know 90 97% of the stuff
0:22:56.799,0:23:01.720
I'm shooting at I'm not yeah when when
0:22:59.360,0:23:04.159
the gun cracks fur's got to be laying
0:23:01.720,0:23:07.360
out there hey I like it that's something
0:23:04.159,0:23:09.400
I always say in in a uh in my seminars
0:23:07.360,0:23:12.559
When the Smoke Clears I want stuff
0:23:09.400,0:23:15.440
laying on the ground that's
0:23:12.559,0:23:18.320
correct all right well I want to go back
0:23:15.440,0:23:21.640
to uh talking about like the opener of
0:23:18.320,0:23:24.120
fox season and how how popular that is
0:23:21.640,0:23:27.440
up there um you know I think it just
0:23:24.120,0:23:31.840
goes back to how wonderful of a hunting
0:23:27.440,0:23:34.720
tradition Pennsylvania has I mean um
0:23:31.840,0:23:37.679
there are a ton of hunters in your state
0:23:34.720,0:23:40.320
which you well know and when I say tons
0:23:37.679,0:23:44.279
people Pennsylvania has like every
0:23:40.320,0:23:47.600
single year 800 or 900,000 some licensed
0:23:44.279,0:23:50.360
hunters in the field every single year I
0:23:47.600,0:23:54.039
mean go look it up I think it's one of
0:23:50.360,0:23:56.360
the I think it's one of the the heavier
0:23:54.039,0:23:58.159
or like the most licensed state for come
0:23:56.360,0:23:59.960
to hunting it's one it's one of it's
0:23:58.159,0:24:03.200
always it's
0:23:59.960,0:24:06.400
always yeah yeah and and the thing is
0:24:03.200,0:24:08.400
you know I don't know how many of those
0:24:06.400,0:24:10.440
licensed Hunters are actually Predator
0:24:08.400,0:24:14.520
Hunters but I think it's safe to say
0:24:10.440,0:24:16.799
that it's a lot yeah it's a lot of them
0:24:14.520,0:24:20.279
well you know and what comes with that
0:24:16.799,0:24:21.600
of course comes hunting pressure right
0:24:20.279,0:24:25.080
there's more and more people getting
0:24:21.600,0:24:29.240
into it every year as well U how does a
0:24:25.080,0:24:30.919
fox and coyote collar in Penn like
0:24:29.240,0:24:34.120
yourself
0:24:30.919,0:24:36.679
overcome the extra pressure from other
0:24:34.120,0:24:40.240
Hunters cuz it seems like you're always
0:24:36.679,0:24:42.200
very solid you know very uh consistent
0:24:40.240,0:24:44.320
uh if you're calling you're usually
0:24:42.200,0:24:47.520
you're usually putting fur in a
0:24:44.320,0:24:50.760
truck yeah and I I mean I also got to
0:24:47.520,0:24:53.440
give credit to yeah I mean I hunt I'm
0:24:50.760,0:24:55.919
blessed to hunting on in an area with a
0:24:53.440,0:24:59.880
good population of the target animal
0:24:55.919,0:25:02.480
right and but yeah I'll try to um if I'm
0:24:59.880,0:25:05.279
doing a stand where I know there's going
0:25:02.480,0:25:08.520
to be other Hunters on and I you go back
0:25:05.279,0:25:10.440
10 years ago most of the Farms I hunted
0:25:08.520,0:25:13.760
I probably was the only guy hunting
0:25:10.440,0:25:17.240
right I I I know how that goes 15 years
0:25:13.760,0:25:19.240
ago and in the last 10 five well yeah
0:25:17.240,0:25:21.720
the last five 10 years I've
0:25:19.240,0:25:24.159
noticed yeah there's just I mean I don't
0:25:21.720,0:25:26.159
have Farms to myself anymore and it
0:25:24.159,0:25:28.960
would be nice but I'm not the owner so I
0:25:26.159,0:25:33.640
can't say right it would be tempting
0:25:28.960,0:25:35.679
sometimes to say hey I would be yeah I
0:25:33.640,0:25:37.520
if I got permission to keep other people
0:25:35.679,0:25:40.080
off but it's not my ground they can do
0:25:37.520,0:25:42.919
with what what they want right and fox I
0:25:40.080,0:25:46.320
don't think it don't matter near as much
0:25:42.919,0:25:49.840
as say KY kyo's just smarting up so much
0:25:46.320,0:25:51.960
quicker and but I I know for myself like
0:25:49.840,0:25:54.880
um if I'm if I'm hunting a farm where I
0:25:51.960,0:25:56.200
know there's other Hunters I'm going to
0:25:54.880,0:25:57.600
try to hunt it from a little bit
0:25:56.200,0:26:00.799
different angle than what I would think
0:25:57.600,0:26:02.720
would be the easy place to walk to right
0:26:00.799,0:26:04.440
um and just kind of use a little bit
0:26:02.720,0:26:07.320
different sounds than what I know would
0:26:04.440,0:26:09.360
would be on a typical Fox Pro right
0:26:07.320,0:26:11.120
right just I mean they would have the
0:26:09.360,0:26:13.399
same sounds on the fox Pro but it
0:26:11.120,0:26:15.640
wouldn't be I wouldn't be running like
0:26:13.399,0:26:17.399
baby Cottontail too is probably one of
0:26:15.640,0:26:19.159
my favorite sounds but there's certain
0:26:17.399,0:26:22.120
Farms I won't use it because I've heard
0:26:19.159,0:26:24.720
it pling there before right right by
0:26:22.120,0:26:27.360
somebody else
0:26:24.720,0:26:29.200
yeah I'm over in a couple Fields over
0:26:27.360,0:26:31.480
and I'm thinking I'm like dude I know
0:26:29.200,0:26:33.399
that sound uhuh so do you like baby
0:26:31.480,0:26:36.880
Cotton Tail too more than you like
0:26:33.399,0:26:39.480
original baby Cotton Tail I I guess I
0:26:36.880,0:26:41.720
never played a whole lot of the original
0:26:39.480,0:26:44.080
like just baby Cottontail 2 is is one
0:26:41.720,0:26:46.600
that I use quite a bit really okay and
0:26:44.080,0:26:48.559
early season I'll use that one as well I
0:26:46.600,0:26:50.760
mean like this time of year I'm still
0:26:48.559,0:26:52.039
running it but as we get later into
0:26:50.760,0:26:55.200
season
0:26:52.039,0:26:56.600
I'll oh certain Farms where I know I'm
0:26:55.200,0:26:58.520
the only guy in I'll still run that
0:26:56.600,0:27:01.039
sound but certain Farms I won't use that
0:26:58.520,0:27:04.600
sound anymore I'll just switch more to
0:27:01.039,0:27:06.760
little bit different bird sounds um
0:27:04.600,0:27:08.840
different rabbit sounds I mean the
0:27:06.760,0:27:11.159
average guy going out there he sees
0:27:08.840,0:27:13.039
Lightning Jack he's like well there's no
0:27:11.159,0:27:15.799
jack rabbits around it probably won't
0:27:13.039,0:27:17.720
work um sounds like that I'll use and
0:27:15.799,0:27:20.200
have had quite a bit of success on some
0:27:17.720,0:27:22.919
of them sounds right
0:27:20.200,0:27:25.120
right I tell you what that you maybe you
0:27:22.919,0:27:26.880
got sitting there thinking in my head
0:27:25.120,0:27:29.760
that was in Wyoming just a few weeks ago
0:27:26.880,0:27:32.559
with my brother and we was public ground
0:27:29.760,0:27:33.799
and uh you know it's tough out there it
0:27:32.559,0:27:34.960
could be really tough on some that
0:27:33.799,0:27:37.399
public ground when you get in these
0:27:34.960,0:27:39.480
spots and me look man look at this stand
0:27:37.399,0:27:40.440
right here this looks awesome he said
0:27:39.480,0:27:42.320
right you know look right over here
0:27:40.440,0:27:44.000
there's that little no you can see
0:27:42.320,0:27:46.320
everything and I'm sitting there
0:27:44.000,0:27:47.640
thinking like yeah every Coy Hunter
0:27:46.320,0:27:50.320
that's ever come through here is
0:27:47.640,0:27:52.120
thinking thinking the same same dag on
0:27:50.320,0:27:56.399
thing like how about we go over two more
0:27:52.120,0:27:58.360
ridges y y and I sometimes I think that
0:27:56.399,0:28:00.399
pays off you know like we might do and
0:27:58.360,0:28:01.480
you call a coyote now I don't know we
0:28:00.399,0:28:02.960
might have set up where we was
0:28:01.480,0:28:04.919
originally talking about and called the
0:28:02.960,0:28:07.000
same coyote up there maybe called up
0:28:04.919,0:28:10.039
more coyotes but that goes through my
0:28:07.000,0:28:12.320
mind I've said that a many times like
0:28:10.039,0:28:13.840
heck anybody will make this stand right
0:28:12.320,0:28:17.640
here let's not do this one let's go over
0:28:13.840,0:28:19.799
there and make it yep I try to I try to
0:28:17.640,0:28:23.000
be conscious of that and make the mighty
0:28:19.799,0:28:25.720
stands yeah set up according as
0:28:23.000,0:28:28.519
sometimes or if you got to I I don't
0:28:25.720,0:28:31.039
like to walk in too far and kind of lazy
0:28:28.519,0:28:33.240
that way but uh if I got to walk a
0:28:31.039,0:28:36.799
little bit further or come in from a
0:28:33.240,0:28:38.679
little bit different area or yeah and
0:28:36.799,0:28:41.159
I'll I'll try to do that as well if I've
0:28:38.679,0:28:43.320
been on a stand and I missed or called
0:28:41.159,0:28:46.000
one in and got winded the next time I go
0:28:43.320,0:28:50.080
there I'll try to try not to set up on
0:28:46.000,0:28:51.600
the same location right right yeah what
0:28:50.080,0:28:54.880
uh you was talking about you don't think
0:28:51.600,0:28:58.279
Fox wise up near as quick as a kyote
0:28:54.880,0:29:00.080
does how much Co I mean can you mess up
0:28:58.279,0:29:01.519
Fox a time or two and still come in
0:29:00.080,0:29:02.960
there a third or fourth time and you
0:29:01.519,0:29:06.080
know second third or fourth time and get
0:29:02.960,0:29:08.840
them killed I mean how U I know there's
0:29:06.080,0:29:11.159
no way to really compare the two but but
0:29:08.840,0:29:14.120
from what I'm hearing from you you don't
0:29:11.159,0:29:16.559
think that the fox wise up near as quick
0:29:14.120,0:29:18.760
as a coyote might yeah I don't think
0:29:16.559,0:29:20.919
they wise up quite I mean a coyote's
0:29:18.760,0:29:24.000
learning curve it seems is so so much
0:29:20.919,0:29:26.679
shorter um they the fox will I mean I
0:29:24.000,0:29:31.200
used to have this one area that I
0:29:26.679,0:29:33.360
hunted quite a B and in the last five 10
0:29:31.200,0:29:36.840
years or I noticed in in the last five
0:29:33.360,0:29:38.760
years like you got later season I mean
0:29:36.840,0:29:40.640
the fox instead of making that Circle at
0:29:38.760,0:29:44.880
120 yards to get downwind they're
0:29:40.640,0:29:47.279
circling me at 200 250 yards so in a
0:29:44.880,0:29:49.919
case like that some of them cases then
0:29:47.279,0:29:52.159
normally I have the call out in front
0:29:49.919,0:29:55.080
like then I then I'll place call
0:29:52.159,0:29:58.559
different like where the calls I'm like
0:29:55.080,0:30:00.279
100 yeah 150 yards down window the call
0:29:58.559,0:30:02.399
when he circles it he's going to be
0:30:00.279,0:30:03.559
coming he's going to be circling more
0:30:02.399,0:30:06.799
into
0:30:03.559,0:30:09.279
range right so if I start seeing that
0:30:06.799,0:30:11.880
happening I'll in that area I'll start
0:30:09.279,0:30:14.600
planning for that well let me ask you
0:30:11.880,0:30:15.960
about your call placement um you know
0:30:14.600,0:30:18.240
especially you know you say you like to
0:30:15.960,0:30:20.159
run lights for a fox when when you are
0:30:18.240,0:30:22.200
running lights for a fox what does your
0:30:20.159,0:30:24.480
call placement look like I mean how far
0:30:22.200,0:30:26.679
are you setting it out and are you
0:30:24.480,0:30:30.880
working angles with the wind and that
0:30:26.679,0:30:34.720
type of stuff yeah always playing to win
0:30:30.880,0:30:38.559
um and it's usually it's usually within
0:30:34.720,0:30:41.279
50 yards of me the caller okay 30 to 50
0:30:38.559,0:30:43.960
yards on average I would say I mean
0:30:41.279,0:30:46.200
there's times where depending how the
0:30:43.960,0:30:50.159
wind is I'll place it a little bit
0:30:46.200,0:30:52.399
further okay but yeah I I know years ago
0:30:50.159,0:30:53.799
I I remember reading stuff and hearing
0:30:52.399,0:30:55.120
people talk about you know if they're
0:30:53.799,0:30:57.519
hunting with lights they like to have
0:30:55.120,0:30:59.799
the call sitting really close to them
0:30:57.519,0:31:01.639
like I'm at your feet they almost act
0:30:59.799,0:31:04.519
like you could pick yeah pick their eyes
0:31:01.639,0:31:06.720
up better so is there anything to that
0:31:04.519,0:31:08.559
um and I think back in the day when the
0:31:06.720,0:31:11.279
lights weren't very bright there could
0:31:08.559,0:31:12.880
be something to that okay um but with
0:31:11.279,0:31:13.720
the brighter lights we have nowadays
0:31:12.880,0:31:17.440
I've
0:31:13.720,0:31:19.039
never yeah they're they never I mean
0:31:17.440,0:31:20.639
yeah they come in kind of honed in on
0:31:19.039,0:31:23.559
the sound but they're still looking
0:31:20.639,0:31:26.480
around yeah and once I if I get a a
0:31:23.559,0:31:29.159
flash of them then um yeah so the
0:31:26.480,0:31:32.639
improve the Improvement of Lights has
0:31:29.159,0:31:35.240
really allowed you to set the your Fox
0:31:32.639,0:31:38.039
Pro out further and still pick up eyes
0:31:35.240,0:31:39.919
or pick up the fox and stuff like that
0:31:38.039,0:31:41.919
yeah that's where I would say yeah
0:31:39.919,0:31:44.000
because I I I mean there's times where
0:31:41.919,0:31:46.279
I'll have the call further than that and
0:31:44.000,0:31:48.440
I've never had I mean I guess I can't
0:31:46.279,0:31:49.799
say I never had one come in and didn't
0:31:48.440,0:31:51.480
see it because I guess I wouldn't know
0:31:49.799,0:31:55.360
that but
0:31:51.480,0:31:57.200
right I can't ever think where I yeah
0:31:55.360,0:31:58.880
had one get in real close and say man I
0:31:57.200,0:32:01.399
didn't see it didn't see that one
0:31:58.880,0:32:03.720
because he wasn't looking at me I
0:32:01.399,0:32:05.360
didn't I got you that's good stuff let
0:32:03.720,0:32:07.639
me ask you let's start let's talk about
0:32:05.360,0:32:10.440
Colin a little bit here uh like farest
0:32:07.639,0:32:11.519
sound stuff walk walk us through you
0:32:10.440,0:32:12.919
know you don't have to tell us
0:32:11.519,0:32:14.960
everything if you don't want to but you
0:32:12.919,0:32:17.240
know these guys would appreciate it
0:32:14.960,0:32:19.399
won't you walk us through your typical
0:32:17.240,0:32:21.799
sound sequence for a fox like if you're
0:32:19.399,0:32:23.279
going to go fox hunting tonight tell us
0:32:21.799,0:32:27.279
what you
0:32:23.279,0:32:29.760
doing well I mean when I first got into
0:32:27.279,0:32:32.559
using I'm going to if I sh a little bit
0:32:29.760,0:32:36.960
of a backstory sure yeah I love
0:32:32.559,0:32:40.240
stories um it wasn't till probably about
0:32:36.960,0:32:41.519
10 15 years ago to IR ran electronic I
0:32:40.240,0:32:44.399
was always
0:32:41.519,0:32:47.600
running I mean I ran mouth cause for
0:32:44.399,0:32:49.960
years and um it wasn't until I read an
0:32:47.600,0:32:52.559
article by Andrew lean in the predor
0:32:49.960,0:32:55.279
extreme magazine about the Platinum gray
0:32:52.559,0:32:58.320
sound how how it works so well for Fox
0:32:55.279,0:33:00.480
yep when I purchased a fox Pro and
0:32:58.320,0:33:02.960
played around with that till I
0:33:00.480,0:33:04.760
started yeah incorporating the Platinum
0:33:02.960,0:33:07.240
gray and once I started seeing some of
0:33:04.760,0:33:08.159
the results I started using the fox Pro
0:33:07.240,0:33:12.600
more and
0:33:08.159,0:33:16.399
more and um yeah so
0:33:12.600,0:33:18.519
it's yeah I haven't yeah it's been about
0:33:16.399,0:33:20.720
15 years since I've run the electronic
0:33:18.519,0:33:22.919
but yeah it's it was always mouth calls
0:33:20.720,0:33:24.919
prior and I at first then I started
0:33:22.919,0:33:27.279
mixing mouth calls and electronic and
0:33:24.919,0:33:30.360
now today I I still throw in some mouth
0:33:27.279,0:33:32.760
calls mhm um for on them stands where I
0:33:30.360,0:33:35.760
know there's a bunch of other
0:33:32.760,0:33:37.799
callers but yeah I I know for myself the
0:33:35.760,0:33:40.240
last it's and it seems to go through
0:33:37.799,0:33:42.960
spells like last year last year I
0:33:40.240,0:33:45.919
couldn't find any like I killed Fox on
0:33:42.960,0:33:48.080
rabbit sounds but I usually you get a
0:33:45.919,0:33:50.320
sound that is very consistent throughout
0:33:48.080,0:33:52.240
the whole year and I struggled to find a
0:33:50.320,0:33:55.320
rabbit sound that was very consistent
0:33:52.240,0:33:59.080
and I I used primarily all bird sounds
0:33:55.320,0:34:01.960
last year okay I mean I I always throw
0:33:59.080,0:34:05.559
I'll always throw scenar uh at least one
0:34:01.960,0:34:08.839
sequence of rabbit but uh um it was the
0:34:05.559,0:34:11.560
last last year and then this year so far
0:34:08.839,0:34:14.520
bird sounds have been really well
0:34:11.560,0:34:18.240
again and uh yeah I mean I'll usually
0:34:14.520,0:34:19.839
start out set the call out um yeah and
0:34:18.240,0:34:22.440
as far as with lights I mean I don't
0:34:19.839,0:34:24.520
know if guys are I get out of the truck
0:34:22.440,0:34:26.240
the lights the lights stay on till I get
0:34:24.520,0:34:28.919
back in the truck I don't ever turn
0:34:26.240,0:34:30.280
lights off gotcha get get out get your
0:34:28.919,0:34:32.240
call out and I'll
0:34:30.280,0:34:33.760
usually sometimes I'll start out with
0:34:32.240,0:34:35.720
like Vol squeaks or something a little
0:34:33.760,0:34:39.520
bit quiet and then transition
0:34:35.720,0:34:42.119
into um yeah bird sounds I mean Fox BR
0:34:39.520,0:34:45.320
has a number of good bird sounds like
0:34:42.119,0:34:46.839
the tit Mouse tantrum the Nutty nut
0:34:45.320,0:34:50.960
hatch
0:34:46.839,0:34:53.520
um and then uh they have the one of my
0:34:50.960,0:34:55.119
favorites is uh they have the brown
0:34:53.520,0:34:59.920
thrasher sound that's been a killer
0:34:55.119,0:35:02.040
sound for me yep and uh then with the
0:34:59.920,0:35:05.400
mfk they got some really good bird
0:35:02.040,0:35:07.200
sounds as well like goody Woody and um I
0:35:05.400,0:35:09.040
think the other one is Brook pecker that
0:35:07.200,0:35:11.640
one's a good bird
0:35:09.040,0:35:14.720
sound yeah playing two or three bird
0:35:11.640,0:35:17.680
sounds and then one or two rabbit sounds
0:35:14.720,0:35:20.680
and then I always play Platinum gray on
0:35:17.680,0:35:22.680
a stand usually kind of in the middle
0:35:20.680,0:35:27.000
and I'll Crank That volume up pretty
0:35:22.680,0:35:29.400
loud like on the the x24 I'm running
0:35:27.000,0:35:32.520
that sound close to 30 up and down
0:35:29.400,0:35:35.040
between 20 and 30 I got you sound pretty
0:35:32.520,0:35:36.760
loud getting that sound out and then
0:35:35.040,0:35:38.960
going back to Rabbit and bird sounds
0:35:36.760,0:35:41.599
following that up for the next few
0:35:38.960,0:35:43.680
minutes so how long how long a stand are
0:35:41.599,0:35:45.160
you generally making for Fox like if
0:35:43.680,0:35:46.920
you're just out pleasure hunting you
0:35:45.160,0:35:50.400
know not contest hunting but you're just
0:35:46.920,0:35:54.040
going out your regular nights of hunting
0:35:50.400,0:35:57.640
um 10 15 minutes MH and that's kind of I
0:35:54.040,0:35:59.079
go from like some nights some nights you
0:35:57.640,0:36:00.839
you go out and you'll hit like three
0:35:59.079,0:36:02.640
spots not see anything I'm like what the
0:36:00.839,0:36:04.359
world's going on so I'll stay on stand
0:36:02.640,0:36:06.040
for like 15 minutes to see if they're
0:36:04.359,0:36:08.160
responding a little bit later stret it a
0:36:06.040,0:36:10.839
little longer yeah yeah and if I start
0:36:08.160,0:36:12.280
having stuff respond a little bit later
0:36:10.839,0:36:15.359
then I'm going to try to stay there for
0:36:12.280,0:36:18.920
15 minutes but if I'm out on a night
0:36:15.359,0:36:20.480
where I mean by seven eight minutes into
0:36:18.920,0:36:24.280
to the stand you've called one or two
0:36:20.480,0:36:28.400
fox in um yeah if stuff is responding
0:36:24.280,0:36:30.079
pretty early some nights I mean Within
0:36:28.400,0:36:33.000
seconds are turning the call and you get
0:36:30.079,0:36:35.359
eyes coming right and if is responding
0:36:33.000,0:36:36.920
really earlier in the set then those
0:36:35.359,0:36:39.720
nights I'm running a little bit shorter
0:36:36.920,0:36:42.200
sets and looking to get more stands in I
0:36:39.720,0:36:44.359
got you I got you so like if you're
0:36:42.200,0:36:46.800
making your longer sets you know that 12
0:36:44.359,0:36:48.720
15 minute stand how many sounds are you
0:36:46.800,0:36:51.160
playing on that stand will you play five
0:36:48.720,0:36:52.160
or six different sounds on a on a 15
0:36:51.160,0:36:56.359
minute
0:36:52.160,0:36:59.359
set no more than that I'll I'll run okay
0:36:56.359,0:37:01.960
like I'll run a like a say say I start
0:36:59.359,0:37:04.200
out with a like a thrasher or nutty nut
0:37:01.960,0:37:06.400
hatch I'll play that for a minute give
0:37:04.200,0:37:08.040
it a 10 15 second pause and go right
0:37:06.400,0:37:10.920
into another bird sound and just keep
0:37:08.040,0:37:13.000
repeating that so even on a 10-minute
0:37:10.920,0:37:15.160
stand I'm probably playing eight close
0:37:13.000,0:37:18.680
to eight sounds I got you so if you're
0:37:15.160,0:37:21.079
not seeing eyes or or fox running in
0:37:18.680,0:37:22.720
pretty quick within a minute you're
0:37:21.079,0:37:23.960
you're switching to another sound to try
0:37:22.720,0:37:25.640
to get them to trigger you're just
0:37:23.960,0:37:29.319
assuming they're not triggering to that
0:37:25.640,0:37:31.920
sound yeah oh good stuff so it's great
0:37:29.319,0:37:33.760
stuff usually what what I'm doing I mean
0:37:31.920,0:37:35.920
there's some nights where it's probably
0:37:33.760,0:37:38.880
playing a minute and a half and St yeah
0:37:35.920,0:37:40.680
but usually 30 seconds to a minute and a
0:37:38.880,0:37:42.280
half and then I'm giving it a little bit
0:37:40.680,0:37:43.839
of a pause and I don't even know if
0:37:42.280,0:37:45.599
you'd even have to give it a pause just
0:37:43.839,0:37:47.520
go right into the next sound yeah so on
0:37:45.599,0:37:48.640
a 10 minute stand though you're
0:37:47.520,0:37:51.839
sometimes you're playing up to eight
0:37:48.640,0:37:53.720
sounds that's good that's hey yeah there
0:37:51.839,0:37:55.359
there's the Golden Nugget cuz I'm sure
0:37:53.720,0:37:56.680
there's not a I'm sure there's a lot
0:37:55.359,0:37:58.200
there's a lot of other people does it
0:37:56.680,0:37:59.119
type of stuff too but I bet that's not
0:37:58.200,0:38:02.880
the
0:37:59.119,0:38:05.680
majority yeah and then like beginning of
0:38:02.880,0:38:07.960
a night I mean I'll try you're going
0:38:05.680,0:38:10.160
through usually by the end of the night
0:38:07.960,0:38:13.119
you have a few select sounds that you
0:38:10.160,0:38:14.599
called coyotes or fox in on and then
0:38:13.119,0:38:16.319
them are you're kind of your go-to
0:38:14.599,0:38:19.480
you're hitting them maybe letting them
0:38:16.319,0:38:22.240
play a little bit longer than your other
0:38:19.480,0:38:23.839
sounds um say if a bird sounds working
0:38:22.240,0:38:25.800
real well that night that sound I'll
0:38:23.839,0:38:28.359
probably give it a good minute and a
0:38:25.800,0:38:31.760
half of that sound before I switch
0:38:28.359,0:38:33.960
so what about the uh going back to the
0:38:31.760,0:38:35.599
the vocal sound uh you said you like to
0:38:33.960,0:38:37.960
play Platinum gray so you're usually
0:38:35.599,0:38:40.960
throwing it in like in the middle of
0:38:37.960,0:38:43.200
your of your set middle of your St yeah
0:38:40.960,0:38:46.040
usually usually try to have that playing
0:38:43.200,0:38:48.359
by yeah five to the seven minute Mark
0:38:46.040,0:38:50.200
somewhere in there I like that and then
0:38:48.359,0:38:52.359
I I like to play that one I like to get
0:38:50.200,0:38:55.960
the sound out there on that on those
0:38:52.359,0:38:57.760
sounds um is there any other uh Fox
0:38:55.960,0:38:59.240
vocal sounds that you'll play besides
0:38:57.760,0:39:01.280
for platinum gray or is that kind of
0:38:59.240,0:39:03.280
just your main stay there just RIS prey
0:39:01.280,0:39:05.160
distress and just mixing in Platinum
0:39:03.280,0:39:08.800
gray in the middle of the
0:39:05.160,0:39:11.960
set um Platinum gray I mean your bait
0:39:08.800,0:39:16.599
your red fox in distress I've called fox
0:39:11.960,0:39:18.440
in on that um and then and that as it
0:39:16.599,0:39:21.160
gets later into the season when you get
0:39:18.440,0:39:23.480
into uh like the towards the end of
0:39:21.160,0:39:25.839
December your Fox will get into Mating
0:39:23.480,0:39:27.960
Season then I'll incorporate like the
0:39:25.839,0:39:30.880
fox parks and like a little bit more of
0:39:27.960,0:39:32.319
the fox vocals into a stand yeah we had
0:39:30.880,0:39:34.880
we had a did a great you mentioned
0:39:32.319,0:39:36.400
Andrew lean we did a excellent podcast
0:39:34.880,0:39:38.359
with Andrew I don't know if his last
0:39:36.400,0:39:40.480
year year before but it was about Fox
0:39:38.359,0:39:42.280
vocals and he was talking about calling
0:39:40.480,0:39:44.880
them you know during the rut and calling
0:39:42.280,0:39:46.680
them or calling fox in with the fox
0:39:44.880,0:39:48.200
vocals it's very interesting if you guys
0:39:46.680,0:39:51.000
haven't listened to it and you're in the
0:39:48.200,0:39:52.250
fox col need to check that out yeah that
0:39:51.000,0:39:55.040
was a good
0:39:52.250,0:39:58.880
[Music]
0:39:55.040,0:40:01.720
one but yeah so on stands playing yeah
0:39:58.880,0:40:04.520
it usually between I'm going to say
0:40:01.720,0:40:06.640
between seven and 10 sounds on average I
0:40:04.520,0:40:10.400
would say oh that's very interesting
0:40:06.640,0:40:13.000
that's good stuff right there um do you
0:40:10.400,0:40:15.480
have what about uh what about for KY
0:40:13.000,0:40:17.079
stands do you work your coyote stands
0:40:15.480,0:40:18.400
give us an example of your coyote stand
0:40:17.079,0:40:20.880
I mean I want to see how different you
0:40:18.400,0:40:23.920
run a coyote stand versus a fox
0:40:20.880,0:40:26.920
stand well yeah on coyote stands I'm not
0:40:23.920,0:40:28.920
using hardly any I use usually start out
0:40:26.920,0:40:31.680
a camp a coyote stand with a little bit
0:40:28.920,0:40:33.760
of distress in case something's close
0:40:31.680,0:40:38.000
and then yeah then I'm going
0:40:33.760,0:40:41.160
into going into my coyote vocals um
0:40:38.000,0:40:44.480
usually a series of hows answer that how
0:40:41.160,0:40:46.880
and then yeah going into my pup distress
0:40:44.480,0:40:49.839
sounds and fight sounds
0:40:46.880,0:40:52.680
and and then yeah occasionally mixing
0:40:49.839,0:40:54.760
like a serenade in therea yeah I for
0:40:52.680,0:40:56.440
years I ran a serenade and then I kind
0:40:54.760,0:40:59.800
of got away from it but this year I've
0:40:56.440,0:41:02.720
used them a little bit more right right
0:40:59.800,0:41:05.200
so making how long is stand you usually
0:41:02.720,0:41:09.440
making when you when you're targeting
0:41:05.200,0:41:12.200
cows um I try to stay on stand for like
0:41:09.440,0:41:14.240
a half an hour okay so you're stretching
0:41:12.200,0:41:16.680
it out like three times as long as you
0:41:14.240,0:41:19.920
would for Fox yeah which is pretty hard
0:41:16.680,0:41:21.760
for me to do when I'm used to making you
0:41:19.920,0:41:25.680
start to get
0:41:21.760,0:41:28.280
bored so what about so so after so in
0:41:25.680,0:41:30.680
for a fox tan and 10 minute stand You'll
0:41:28.280,0:41:32.760
Play up to eight sounds how many sounds
0:41:30.680,0:41:36.079
you playing in 30 minutes for those
0:41:32.760,0:41:40.079
coyotes um probably probably about the
0:41:36.079,0:41:43.520
same amount I mean about eight yeah I
0:41:40.079,0:41:46.680
don't with coyote stands I I tend to
0:41:43.520,0:41:48.520
once I done with my house um then I like
0:41:46.680,0:41:51.520
to give it a few minutes in between
0:41:48.520,0:41:52.640
sounds and yeah yeah give it a little
0:41:51.520,0:41:54.800
bit of give them a little bit of the
0:41:52.640,0:41:56.960
silent treatment and I don't know I've
0:41:54.800,0:41:59.640
had KES Groll in at that time pretty
0:41:56.960,0:42:02.960
often of for myself interesting
0:41:59.640,0:42:05.640
interesting good
0:42:02.960,0:42:07.680
how let's get let's get I don't want hey
0:42:05.640,0:42:09.200
people been asking about Cliff for Fox
0:42:07.680,0:42:11.200
I'm GNA try to keep his you know I'm
0:42:09.200,0:42:13.640
want I'm want I'm wanting to Swerve off
0:42:11.200,0:42:16.040
them coow cuz I'm a Coy guy you know I'm
0:42:13.640,0:42:19.640
trying to steer myself back to the fox
0:42:16.040,0:42:22.559
um I notice that most of most of your
0:42:19.640,0:42:25.280
fox in your pictures are Reds but I see
0:42:22.559,0:42:27.520
a gray every once in a while uh I mean
0:42:25.280,0:42:31.720
I'm assuming it must just be predominant
0:42:27.520,0:42:36.119
red fox in your area but a mix mix of a
0:42:31.720,0:42:38.040
gray every once in a while yeah on on uh
0:42:36.119,0:42:41.359
like in ler County where I live I've
0:42:38.040,0:42:42.400
only ever shot one gray fox um I go
0:42:41.359,0:42:45.119
north
0:42:42.400,0:42:46.839
into yeah it seems if I'm going to get
0:42:45.119,0:42:49.200
into grze consistently I have to go
0:42:46.839,0:42:51.319
about an hour hour and a half north yeah
0:42:49.200,0:42:53.160
okay okay and you're running the you're
0:42:51.319,0:42:54.839
running your stand the same way for the
0:42:53.160,0:42:56.640
Grays as you are for the Reds I'm
0:42:54.839,0:42:58.520
assuming yeah probably mixing a little
0:42:56.640,0:43:01.839
bit more the gray fox sounds in like
0:42:58.520,0:43:04.640
screaming gray and yeah yeah a few more
0:43:01.839,0:43:06.319
gray gray fox sounds in that because
0:43:04.640,0:43:08.640
they they they respond pretty
0:43:06.319,0:43:10.079
aggressively towards towards the fox
0:43:08.640,0:43:12.000
sounds don't they especially like
0:43:10.079,0:43:13.920
Platinum gray which I mean I I say
0:43:12.000,0:43:17.119
especially Platinum gray I've just heard
0:43:13.920,0:43:19.200
that sound hammered into my mind so much
0:43:17.119,0:43:21.559
but but I've heard people talk about the
0:43:19.200,0:43:26.240
gray fox vocals and how gray fox come
0:43:21.559,0:43:29.800
charging into them yeah and they do I um
0:43:26.240,0:43:31.760
I forgot that are targeting Grays or in
0:43:29.800,0:43:34.119
areas with Grays I know from my
0:43:31.760,0:43:36.119
experience I if I'm targeting Grays I
0:43:34.119,0:43:37.599
won't quite hunt them like I do red fox
0:43:36.119,0:43:40.760
where I'm just out in the Wide Open
0:43:37.599,0:43:42.240
Fields I I seem to have like I'll get
0:43:40.760,0:43:44.400
the Grays to come down to the edge of
0:43:42.240,0:43:47.079
the woods but they won't just come they
0:43:44.400,0:43:48.680
won't come running out on average they
0:43:47.079,0:43:50.920
won't just come running right out across
0:43:48.680,0:43:52.800
the Open Fields like a red well right
0:43:50.920,0:43:55.839
right I usually try to get in a little
0:43:52.800,0:43:58.119
bit tighter for gray in the yeah not
0:43:55.839,0:43:59.359
right in the cover but with then if they
0:43:58.119,0:44:02.119
come to the edge they're going to
0:43:59.359,0:44:04.240
they're in they're in range okay so your
0:44:02.119,0:44:05.800
setup's a little bit different if you
0:44:04.240,0:44:08.040
know you're you're trying to Target
0:44:05.800,0:44:12.720
Grays there a little bit I noticed one
0:44:08.040,0:44:14.880
thing um we we find gray fox here a
0:44:12.720,0:44:18.079
little bit um one thing I've really
0:44:14.880,0:44:21.319
noticed if if we have graay Fox it's in
0:44:18.079,0:44:23.839
the areas where I find Bobcats it's like
0:44:21.319,0:44:25.480
the thickest the thickest nastiest stuff
0:44:23.839,0:44:28.920
it's a little bit rougher terrain that's
0:44:25.480,0:44:31.680
usually where I find are Grays usually
0:44:28.920,0:44:33.640
if it's a if it's a good area for Bobcat
0:44:31.680,0:44:36.960
it seems like it's a good area for for
0:44:33.640,0:44:40.720
gray fox yeah and yeah that's I would
0:44:36.960,0:44:43.200
agree with that I mean Reds are Reds are
0:44:40.720,0:44:44.680
primarily yeah open Farm country and
0:44:43.200,0:44:46.240
grades are a little bit more in like
0:44:44.680,0:44:50.640
Mountain ground or thick thick
0:44:46.240,0:44:52.640
underbrush stuff right right what um
0:44:50.640,0:44:53.520
what caliber are you running for on your
0:44:52.640,0:44:55.839
Fox
0:44:53.520,0:44:58.520
stands yeah this this one will probably
0:44:55.839,0:45:00.359
get a lot of likes hey I know what it is
0:44:58.520,0:45:04.440
I've heard you talk about
0:45:00.359,0:45:06.480
it well for for years the last the last
0:45:04.440,0:45:09.800
number of years I haven't put up my own
0:45:06.480,0:45:12.680
fur but for just because it wasn't worth
0:45:09.800,0:45:15.680
doing it but for for the first 20 years
0:45:12.680,0:45:18.240
of fox hunting or the yeah I I would
0:45:15.680,0:45:21.240
kill Fox and I would put the Pelt up and
0:45:18.240,0:45:23.440
sell them so I was always looking for
0:45:21.240,0:45:26.520
that caliber that's not going to tear
0:45:23.440,0:45:29.480
holes cuz any hole that got tore that
0:45:26.520,0:45:31.599
was a hole that Cliff had to sew up yep
0:45:29.480,0:45:33.000
so like I don't know how long it's even
0:45:31.599,0:45:37.160
been out but when they came out with
0:45:33.000,0:45:40.760
that 17 WSM that Winchester Super Mag
0:45:37.160,0:45:42.640
yep um that's a gun I rim fire man don't
0:45:40.760,0:45:44.200
hey don't be shy just say it I'm
0:45:42.640,0:45:48.520
shooting a rim
0:45:44.200,0:45:52.680
fire 17 WSM yeah it's it's the Rimfire
0:45:48.520,0:45:54.200
and uh and some of it is cu I hunt um
0:45:52.680,0:45:57.400
there's a few areas that are Hunter
0:45:54.200,0:46:00.240
special Rags it's it's a shotgun or rim
0:45:57.400,0:46:02.119
I got you I got you I got you so I just
0:46:00.240,0:46:04.200
I always struggle going back and forth
0:46:02.119,0:46:05.880
from Guns different guns all the time
0:46:04.200,0:46:08.680
and I was like I'm just gonna get this
0:46:05.880,0:46:12.280
one I love and I'll run it everywhere
0:46:08.680,0:46:14.920
and that gun that's the gun I run 17 WSM
0:46:12.280,0:46:17.520
is what I [ __ ] some with a single shot
0:46:14.920,0:46:21.440
on top of
0:46:17.520,0:46:24.079
it oh my gosh a single shot rire now
0:46:21.440,0:46:27.520
that's a man right there I'm running a
0:46:24.079,0:46:29.359
Thompson Center frame with a yeah an MGM
0:46:27.520,0:46:32.240
Barrel but yeah it's a it's a single
0:46:29.359,0:46:34.000
shot so uh what caliber you running for
0:46:32.240,0:46:37.559
you running for your coyot you going to
0:46:34.000,0:46:40.680
take it on your coyot stands no if I'm
0:46:37.559,0:46:45.480
if we're targeting coyotes um I'm taking
0:46:40.680,0:46:47.920
the the 22250 my man hey have you ever T
0:46:45.480,0:46:50.640
have you ever taken any coyotes with
0:46:47.920,0:46:53.960
with your 17 yeah I've killed probably
0:46:50.640,0:46:56.960
about 15 20 of them with that gun really
0:46:53.960,0:47:01.319
um most of the time I'm going to take
0:46:56.960,0:47:03.880
come right between the eyes or if they I
0:47:01.319,0:47:06.800
had one I had my cousins out to one
0:47:03.880,0:47:09.040
night and and hit him and his boy and
0:47:06.800,0:47:11.000
his had a pair of Kes coming across the
0:47:09.040,0:47:12.440
field I was like they're coming in
0:47:11.000,0:47:16.559
perfect I'm going to let him get into
0:47:12.440,0:47:18.880
890 yards so the kid can see them and he
0:47:16.559,0:47:21.599
decides it was a good time to zipper up
0:47:18.880,0:47:24.839
his coat when they're like 90 yard 8090
0:47:21.599,0:47:27.119
yards and that thing turned on a dime
0:47:24.839,0:47:29.359
and ran out to about 120 and I lip
0:47:27.119,0:47:31.960
squeaked and he he spun around and I
0:47:29.359,0:47:33.839
just took him right behind the shoulder
0:47:31.960,0:47:36.960
yep and he didn't he didn't move off the
0:47:33.839,0:47:41.160
spot oh it dropped him with a 17 yeah
0:47:36.960,0:47:42.920
nice it's uh that gun yeah I obviously I
0:47:41.160,0:47:45.800
wouldn't take
0:47:42.920,0:47:49.079
that yeah to hunt coyotes as a primary
0:47:45.800,0:47:50.960
gun right but if you're on a fox stand
0:47:49.079,0:47:53.520
and a coyote runs up there you know you
0:47:50.960,0:47:55.800
can you know you can you can down with
0:47:53.520,0:47:58.160
your 17 I'm going to put her hurting on
0:47:55.800,0:48:00.040
him
0:47:58.160,0:48:03.800
but if you're targeting coyot you're
0:48:00.040,0:48:05.280
taking a 250 yep yep you thought you was
0:48:03.800,0:48:07.760
going to get a lot of flack for me when
0:48:05.280,0:48:10.400
you was gonna say Rimfire didn't you I
0:48:07.760,0:48:13.359
heard I heard the
0:48:10.400,0:48:15.400
podcast hey they have got a time and
0:48:13.359,0:48:19.520
they've got a place they are definitely
0:48:15.400,0:48:21.559
lethal and youve proven it the Super Mag
0:48:19.520,0:48:24.960
the Super Mag is quite a bit more than
0:48:21.559,0:48:27.240
the HMR yeah yeah yeah different animal
0:48:24.960,0:48:30.640
there different Beast
0:48:27.240,0:48:32.760
yeah and it now I I'm limiting myself on
0:48:30.640,0:48:36.240
Range a little bit with that gun versus
0:48:32.760,0:48:40.359
if I ran a a bigger caliber fox hunting
0:48:36.240,0:48:42.839
yeah um and it it has cost me some like
0:48:40.359,0:48:44.680
and like if I like shot placement is
0:48:42.839,0:48:46.520
very crit with that Critical with that
0:48:44.680,0:48:49.160
little caliber if I don't if I don't hit
0:48:46.520,0:48:50.559
them where I need to yeah they're gonna
0:48:49.160,0:48:51.720
they're going to make it to a corn field
0:48:50.559,0:48:54.920
or the woods you're going to get some
0:48:51.720,0:48:56.480
Runners right so you got to put them
0:48:54.920,0:48:58.680
yeah shot placement is critical with
0:48:56.480,0:49:02.000
that that 17
0:48:58.680,0:49:03.440
WSM have you ever had uh you ever shot
0:49:02.000,0:49:07.440
any coyotes with it and they get away
0:49:03.440,0:49:09.640
from you coyotes I haven't no really
0:49:07.440,0:49:11.640
I've always um so you've downed everyone
0:49:09.640,0:49:13.319
you shot with your but you've had a
0:49:11.640,0:49:15.280
handful of fox get away and you're going
0:49:13.319,0:49:16.880
it don't matter what you shoot you know
0:49:15.280,0:49:18.839
you're going to have some get away from
0:49:16.880,0:49:20.720
you with anything if you shoot enough of
0:49:18.839,0:49:23.760
them
0:49:20.720,0:49:25.280
yeah the the main the main thing I is
0:49:23.760,0:49:27.240
like with the Super Mag is if like
0:49:25.280,0:49:29.839
there's a standing cornfield one pops
0:49:27.240,0:49:31.839
out one pops out of the cornfield and
0:49:29.839,0:49:35.599
you hit him and if he makes it 10 rows
0:49:31.839,0:49:37.400
in it's going to be little I mean yeah
0:49:35.599,0:49:38.760
if he makes a 101 15 rows into the
0:49:37.400,0:49:42.000
cornfield it's going to be a little hard
0:49:38.760,0:49:45.160
to find him right right whether if that
0:49:42.000,0:49:48.000
was cut yeah You' be able to find
0:49:45.160,0:49:49.880
him you was talking about you putting up
0:49:48.000,0:49:50.760
some fur you still do you still put up
0:49:49.880,0:49:53.920
fur
0:49:50.760,0:49:56.440
today um this year I haven't yet I doubt
0:49:53.920,0:49:59.960
I will um if if the market ever comes
0:49:56.440,0:50:03.400
back a little bit I think um yeah I I
0:49:59.960,0:50:06.240
always enjoyed that especially come late
0:50:03.400,0:50:08.799
dece or December January when it's windy
0:50:06.240,0:50:11.480
and cold fire up the wood stove in the
0:50:08.799,0:50:13.920
garage and put up for felt yeah I just
0:50:11.480,0:50:15.440
love doing that but uh yeah get goes
0:50:13.920,0:50:16.520
right back to that tradition stuff up
0:50:15.440,0:50:20.160
here in
0:50:16.520,0:50:21.720
pday for for five bucks a p i the last
0:50:20.160,0:50:24.559
time I sold I wasn't going to continue
0:50:21.720,0:50:27.319
to do it that's a lot of work for five
0:50:24.559,0:50:29.599
bucks it always made for a picture at
0:50:27.319,0:50:32.599
the end of the year I always it does it
0:50:29.599,0:50:34.280
does it's yeah I mean I highly respect
0:50:32.599,0:50:37.440
it I think it's cool that you still do
0:50:34.280,0:50:40.880
it some but yeah the last the last two
0:50:37.440,0:50:43.240
years I haven't yeah but yeah you do you
0:50:40.880,0:50:47.480
ever try do you ever try any daytime
0:50:43.240,0:50:51.880
stands um for Fox I never really have um
0:50:47.480,0:50:55.400
I I should and I want to I just yeah I
0:50:51.880,0:50:58.280
don't and and I've done a few I've done
0:50:55.400,0:51:00.720
a few um same way with coyotes I've
0:50:58.280,0:51:03.559
called number of coyotes in in PA during
0:51:00.720,0:51:06.160
the day but I I I've never killed one
0:51:03.559,0:51:08.880
during the day in PA myself right right
0:51:06.160,0:51:10.680
um called quite a few in and I've called
0:51:08.880,0:51:13.760
there's been a number of times where
0:51:10.680,0:51:16.240
I've gone coyot calling and I called
0:51:13.760,0:51:17.359
plenty of foxing as well but I've never
0:51:16.240,0:51:19.799
I didn't shoot them because I was
0:51:17.359,0:51:24.559
targeting coyotes right right but it's
0:51:19.799,0:51:26.880
um yeah I I struggle sometimes as far as
0:51:24.559,0:51:29.200
um I pick my daytime sets like I with my
0:51:26.880,0:51:30.720
nighttime sets and I don't not always
0:51:29.200,0:51:33.440
successful I got to get a little bit
0:51:30.720,0:51:35.119
closer in the my daytime and nighttime
0:51:33.440,0:51:38.000
set should be a little bit different
0:51:35.119,0:51:41.640
than the than what I picked but
0:51:38.000,0:51:45.880
yeah I got I got a few questions for you
0:51:41.640,0:51:48.799
here some quick hit stuff would you uh
0:51:45.880,0:51:52.319
rather call Fox or
0:51:48.799,0:51:55.200
Couts um there was a point where I would
0:51:52.319,0:51:56.920
stick the fox um the fox don't I love
0:51:55.200,0:52:01.640
for my fox Hunning but they now that
0:51:56.920,0:52:04.160
we're getting more coyotes um I still
0:52:01.640,0:52:06.880
yeah the fox don't get me going quite
0:52:04.160,0:52:09.319
like they did at one time in my yeah in
0:52:06.880,0:52:11.240
the last 20 some years like it did but
0:52:09.319,0:52:14.119
uh if
0:52:11.240,0:52:15.680
I I mean if I had a pick throughout the
0:52:14.119,0:52:20.079
course of the Season it would be tough
0:52:15.680,0:52:23.200
to let just not go Fox on at all right
0:52:20.079,0:52:25.280
right right now this time of year um
0:52:23.200,0:52:27.000
yeah we'll pick and choose there'll be
0:52:25.280,0:52:29.880
the fox aren't going to just get off the
0:52:27.000,0:52:31.960
hook so we're still we're still going to
0:52:29.880,0:52:34.400
be after her so you'd say you'd rather
0:52:31.960,0:52:34.400
Co
0:52:34.440,0:52:39.079
call um that's a little bit hard
0:52:37.200,0:52:41.040
question I'm not exactly what to say on
0:52:39.079,0:52:44.240
that I love them both but yeah let me
0:52:41.040,0:52:46.520
ask you let me ask you this a fox and a
0:52:44.240,0:52:50.160
Coy come in on the same on the same
0:52:46.520,0:52:52.359
stand at the same time they stop at the
0:52:50.160,0:52:54.680
same distance one to the left one to the
0:52:52.359,0:52:55.880
right you got a clean easy shot at
0:52:54.680,0:52:58.680
either one of them it's kind of like a
0:52:55.880,0:53:00.559
flip of for the easiest shot uh which
0:52:58.680,0:53:04.160
one you shooting first the coyote or the
0:53:00.559,0:53:06.440
fox I'm going to shoot the coyote okay
0:53:04.160,0:53:10.119
we we'll get we'll get a fox down the
0:53:06.440,0:53:12.920
road hey is it is it is it such a is it
0:53:10.119,0:53:14.760
that you'd rather shoot coyes but that
0:53:12.920,0:53:16.400
30 minute stand is kind of getting in
0:53:14.760,0:53:17.839
the way you w to make those 10 minute
0:53:16.400,0:53:21.280
stands for the
0:53:17.839,0:53:24.880
fox well I I find it hard I know I'm so
0:53:21.280,0:53:27.040
geared to Fox on over yeah when when 101
0:53:24.880,0:53:30.559
15 minutes rolls up and haven't heard
0:53:27.040,0:53:32.319
any coyotes I'm it's hard for me to stay
0:53:30.559,0:53:35.520
there
0:53:32.319,0:53:37.760
for but yeah but that being said I
0:53:35.520,0:53:39.440
understand that I there's times I look
0:53:37.760,0:53:42.280
down I feel like I've been there forever
0:53:39.440,0:53:42.280
I look down it's 12
0:53:42.319,0:53:46.599
minutes but that being said I can't I
0:53:44.720,0:53:49.119
don't know if I think on one of your
0:53:46.599,0:53:51.400
previous an your questions um you had
0:53:49.119,0:53:53.839
asked if I shot a coyote or and a red at
0:53:51.400,0:53:56.160
the same stand yeah I said I don't I
0:53:53.839,0:53:59.160
said I don't think I have when you had
0:53:56.160,0:54:03.079
talked Al about if you had a red and a
0:53:59.160,0:54:05.200
coyote yeah close together kind of yeah
0:54:03.079,0:54:06.920
brought up I remembered this hunt that
0:54:05.200,0:54:09.880
was like two years ago where I had a
0:54:06.920,0:54:11.359
coyot come in and I was seeing him
0:54:09.880,0:54:15.160
coming in with the
0:54:11.359,0:54:17.200
lights and uh I dumped him and I could
0:54:15.160,0:54:19.000
see behind him was another set of eyes
0:54:17.200,0:54:21.839
I'm like dude there's two coyotes right
0:54:19.000,0:54:24.920
and shot the coyote shot to kyot at
0:54:21.839,0:54:26.960
probably like 60 yards yep got him in
0:54:24.920,0:54:28.640
close because I was yeah I was in
0:54:26.960,0:54:30.760
country where there's yeah it's down in
0:54:28.640,0:54:33.599
Amish Country and like every farmer has
0:54:30.760,0:54:37.799
dogs and I'm like you want to make
0:54:33.599,0:54:39.799
sure I'm like this yeah so I shoot the
0:54:37.799,0:54:41.920
coyote and I go right to this second set
0:54:39.799,0:54:44.480
of eyes thinking it's gonna be another
0:54:41.920,0:54:46.400
coyote and that was a red fox and I did
0:54:44.480,0:54:49.920
kill that one so yeah so you so you do
0:54:46.400,0:54:52.359
have a coyot fox double did yeah okay
0:54:49.920,0:54:54.119
nice but yeah now how could you forget
0:54:52.359,0:54:56.799
about that earlier that sounds like an
0:54:54.119,0:54:58.920
awesome stand to me
0:54:56.799,0:55:01.040
you you kill so many it just gets some
0:54:58.920,0:55:03.040
of them get a little fuzzy I should be
0:55:01.040,0:55:05.240
writing stuff down I talk to my buddies
0:55:03.040,0:55:06.880
and they talk about these hunts where
0:55:05.240,0:55:09.480
like they're so memorable to them and
0:55:06.880,0:55:10.720
I'm like du honestly I I'm gonna have to
0:55:09.480,0:55:12.440
I can't really remember what you're
0:55:10.720,0:55:14.960
talking
0:55:12.440,0:55:17.880
about yeah that's just that's just sign
0:55:14.960,0:55:19.040
you getting old yeah I I am I ain't
0:55:17.880,0:55:21.280
gonna
0:55:19.040,0:55:23.000
yeah hey what you what's your favorite
0:55:21.280,0:55:26.839
Fox Pro
0:55:23.000,0:55:30.640
unit um well I would say like the the
0:55:26.839,0:55:33.160
x24 I love yep um yeah you can't go
0:55:30.640,0:55:36.039
wrong with the x24 I mean I like I said
0:55:33.160,0:55:38.079
I didn't um I would have ran the fusion
0:55:36.039,0:55:41.039
the fusion was a good one for Fox it was
0:55:38.079,0:55:42.880
nice and little Fusion was a nice unit
0:55:41.039,0:55:45.400
it's a nice unit I always like the
0:55:42.880,0:55:47.799
fusion no I killed a lot of fox with the
0:55:45.400,0:55:50.440
fusion and then then the shock wave was
0:55:47.799,0:55:51.839
a yeah shock wave was a good one as well
0:55:50.440,0:55:54.200
and then I went from the shock wave to
0:55:51.839,0:55:56.319
the x24 and I just I just love the
0:55:54.200,0:56:00.119
versatility of though I mean you got the
0:55:56.319,0:56:02.480
volume if you need it on the x24 and yep
0:56:00.119,0:56:04.839
yeah hey I totally agree with you I've
0:56:02.480,0:56:06.400
ran all three of those units and all
0:56:04.839,0:56:08.440
three of them's got a special place in
0:56:06.400,0:56:11.480
my heart I wish I still
0:56:08.440,0:56:13.960
had um my original
0:56:11.480,0:56:16.880
Fusion I don't have it I let I give it
0:56:13.960,0:56:19.000
to a buddy of mine and and he still has
0:56:16.880,0:56:21.720
it I might have to snag it back from him
0:56:19.000,0:56:26.880
someday if he gets another call but but
0:56:21.720,0:56:28.640
I I still do have a fury which is almost
0:56:26.880,0:56:30.359
identical to it just a different remote
0:56:28.640,0:56:31.799
you know still the same body and stuff I
0:56:30.359,0:56:33.200
still do have that but I've got my
0:56:31.799,0:56:35.160
original shock wave it's actually
0:56:33.200,0:56:37.079
sitting here I can reach out and grab it
0:56:35.160,0:56:38.839
right now and I always love the shock
0:56:37.079,0:56:41.720
wve I've killed so much stuff over top
0:56:38.839,0:56:44.359
of the shock wve uh but the
0:56:41.720,0:56:47.280
x24 that's a special unit right there I
0:56:44.359,0:56:49.960
totally agree with you it's probably it
0:56:47.280,0:56:53.039
CS the the x24 has probably been my
0:56:49.960,0:56:54.480
favorite unit of all time to date it you
0:56:53.039,0:56:57.039
just can't beat
0:56:54.480,0:56:58.880
it yeah it's definitely good one I don't
0:56:57.039,0:57:01.720
have experience with all the callers
0:56:58.880,0:57:05.720
they've had I know everyone talks about
0:57:01.720,0:57:09.680
the is it the 24c I got I've here at my
0:57:05.720,0:57:13.079
desk I've got some calls here I've got
0:57:09.680,0:57:15.319
three units on on a shelf here on my
0:57:13.079,0:57:18.000
desk that kind of
0:57:15.319,0:57:20.559
hold uh you know they're special to me
0:57:18.000,0:57:23.000
because I've done so much with them uh
0:57:20.559,0:57:24.960
I've had them all over the the country
0:57:23.000,0:57:28.319
and I've had just so many memoral hunts
0:57:24.960,0:57:31.480
with them and one of them is a shock wve
0:57:28.319,0:57:34.160
my first Shockwave and then I've got a
0:57:31.480,0:57:37.960
cs24c here what you was talking about
0:57:34.160,0:57:41.520
there this cs24c it was I bought that
0:57:37.960,0:57:43.720
unit it was a unit that I ran through uh
0:57:41.520,0:57:47.079
a big portion of the tooth and Claw TV
0:57:43.720,0:57:49.440
days it's just it uh there's so many
0:57:47.079,0:57:51.680
good memories that cs24 and it is a
0:57:49.440,0:57:54.000
great unit the bulletproof you can't
0:57:51.680,0:57:55.520
tear you can't try you can try to tear
0:57:54.000,0:57:57.799
them up and you can't tear them up I've
0:57:55.520,0:57:59.319
left them in a pack of trucks and they'
0:57:57.799,0:58:01.880
stayed in the truck all night long with
0:57:59.319,0:58:04.440
it raining rain 2 in on them and have to
0:58:01.880,0:58:07.240
pour water out the horn and throw it up
0:58:04.440,0:58:08.559
to defrost the truck to try to warm it
0:58:07.240,0:58:10.559
up then you get out there and just start
0:58:08.559,0:58:12.559
making coyot stand and just burn them to
0:58:10.559,0:58:15.000
the ground it's just one of those
0:58:12.559,0:58:16.799
mythical units that that'll always be
0:58:15.000,0:58:18.280
relevant too I mean I think it was one
0:58:16.799,0:58:19.960
of those deals that's kind of ahead of
0:58:18.280,0:58:21.480
its time when it first come out that's
0:58:19.960,0:58:23.640
an old unit it's been out for a long
0:58:21.480,0:58:25.839
time and it's it's just a good one the
0:58:23.640,0:58:27.880
cs24c was a good one definitely
0:58:25.839,0:58:29.480
definitely
0:58:27.880,0:58:31.160
and and the third unit up here since I
0:58:29.480,0:58:34.760
named three of them I've actually got
0:58:31.160,0:58:36.880
the very first Fox Pro x2s which has
0:58:34.760,0:58:38.640
been discontinued now as well I've got
0:58:36.880,0:58:40.720
the x2s sitting up here on the Shelf too
0:58:38.640,0:58:42.520
it's the very first x2s that went in the
0:58:40.720,0:58:44.039
field the first field unit killed the
0:58:42.520,0:58:46.319
first KY so I figured I better hold on
0:58:44.039,0:58:49.680
to it
0:58:46.319,0:58:52.039
too yeah hey watch you watch your three
0:58:49.680,0:58:54.400
favorite what's your top three favorite
0:58:52.039,0:58:58.599
sounds for
0:58:54.400,0:59:00.920
Fox uh pick three sounds for Fox I'm G
0:58:58.599,0:59:00.920
to
0:59:00.960,0:59:06.520
pick I'm probably going to pick brown
0:59:03.599,0:59:09.640
thrasher um baby Cotton Tail 2 and
0:59:06.520,0:59:11.799
probably Platinum gray nice I'd say the
0:59:09.640,0:59:13.799
fox are in trouble we'll switch over to
0:59:11.799,0:59:16.400
coyot you going you got your two getting
0:59:13.799,0:59:18.319
your 250 out of the truck and you going
0:59:16.400,0:59:20.720
to make some coyote stands we hand you
0:59:18.319,0:59:23.799
x24 and we say you can pick three sounds
0:59:20.720,0:59:25.440
on it to run a rest of coyote season
0:59:23.799,0:59:27.839
what three sounds you going to have on
0:59:25.440,0:59:31.760
your X2 for for
0:59:27.839,0:59:34.240
cows um I'm probably going to use the
0:59:31.760,0:59:39.599
the come here lonely house all right
0:59:34.240,0:59:43.559
from mfk yep yeah the coyote pup stress
0:59:39.599,0:59:45.599
three and probably table scraps nice
0:59:43.559,0:59:47.079
nice they'll be they'll definitely be in
0:59:45.599,0:59:50.280
trouble now I got a good one for you
0:59:47.079,0:59:51.400
right here you can only have one sound
0:59:50.280,0:59:55.280
on your
0:59:51.400,0:59:57.839
x24 to run the rest of this season and
0:59:55.280,1:00:00.000
you're going to be making Fox stands and
0:59:57.839,1:00:02.039
coyote stands but you can only have one
1:00:00.000,1:00:04.599
sound for for the whole season to hunt
1:00:02.039,1:00:06.200
everything what sound you going to take
1:00:04.599,1:00:10.039
oh that's a tough
1:00:06.200,1:00:13.559
one um yeah if you're combining them
1:00:10.039,1:00:13.559
both I'm probably actually G to
1:00:13.640,1:00:17.799
use oh I mean you're not going to call
1:00:16.079,1:00:20.119
as many fox in it but I've called quite
1:00:17.799,1:00:24.359
a few fox in with the coy pup distress
1:00:20.119,1:00:26.559
three over the years yeah yeah yeah I've
1:00:24.359,1:00:29.319
actually called a red fox in the how P
1:00:26.559,1:00:33.240
to stress number three and see of that
1:00:29.319,1:00:36.000
are going to be either yeah Mrs motton
1:00:33.240,1:00:38.480
tail or yeah that that one's a tough one
1:00:36.000,1:00:41.280
to narrow down you know you shocked me
1:00:38.480,1:00:44.680
on that one because I kind I had a guess
1:00:41.280,1:00:46.039
I was I was torn between two two sounds
1:00:44.680,1:00:49.280
I figured you was either going to go
1:00:46.039,1:00:52.520
with you baby Cottontail 2 cuz I know
1:00:49.280,1:00:55.079
it'll call CS I've called CS like crazy
1:00:52.520,1:00:58.240
with that sound and I thought the other
1:00:55.079,1:01:00.400
sound I thought might say Platinum gray
1:00:58.240,1:01:03.359
fox dous
1:01:00.400,1:01:05.319
yeah and I've I've killed yeah I've
1:01:03.359,1:01:09.359
called I've called coyotes in with that
1:01:05.319,1:01:12.200
sound not on a consistent basis but yeah
1:01:09.359,1:01:14.520
I would say I've killed I've killed well
1:01:12.200,1:01:16.839
like in most of the areas I I shouldn't
1:01:14.520,1:01:21.680
say most of the areas if I hunt a little
1:01:16.839,1:01:24.240
bit north um like k i play Platinum gray
1:01:21.680,1:01:27.680
and then the last two years three years
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I've I've Incorporated like uh coyote
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pup distress 3 in the stand as well yeah
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in case there is coyotes in the area I
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mean they seem to yeah I've killed quite
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a few coyotes with that sound over the
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years so but if you can only have one
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sound for all season for both Critters
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Fox and coyot is gonna be pup distress
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number
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three yeah
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oh I'm kind of torn on that one you can
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hey you can only have one I he
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we send you a new call I might just play
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at trick on I'll tell Mike say you can
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he can only have one sound and we'll
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lock it up or you can only have one
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sound why you gonna Pi I think I think
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if it's gonna be one sound I'm gonna
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have to pick some type of I think I'm
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gonna have to go with uh remember you
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got your hand you got your hand calls
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yeah yeah yeah I got all them so yeah
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but yeah I would probably go with some
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rabbit sound probably I mean there's so
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many good ones but like Mrs motton tail
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hey that'll be a good one that'd be a
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good one right
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there yeah you you didn't know you was
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gonna have a tough question like that
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did you yeah I would have you T I would
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have you torn a little bit all right one
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more then we're gonna get off here I got
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to ask this one to you I think I already
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know the answer you've heard me ask if
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your life depended on it question tequil
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a coyot have you ever heard that yep yep
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so I'm I'm Trucking you out there in a
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helicopter going drop you off in that
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remote region of the world it's got
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Couts and your job is to go down there
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and kill one you kill one I come back in
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there and save your life I'm going to
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let you have your x24 you can I ain't
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going to restrict you to one sound you
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can have all the sounds you want the the
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only the kicker is you get to take a
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rifle and you only get one cartridge you
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get one
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bullet what caliber are you choosing
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what choice what caliber are you you
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going to take you you going to take you
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17 with you you know if you miss then it
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it don't matter what you shooting
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because you missed but I'm pretty sure
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you're going to call a coyote up pretty
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close and you're going to sink a bullet
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right into his
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chest what caliber you're going to take
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to make sure you down that so I can come
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back in there and save your life well
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I'll be taking the 250 22
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250 I need to get back home so yeah
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there is a chance super Maggie runs off
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but yeah the 250s if I hit him where I'm
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supposed to he's gonna be laying there
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total confidence in it yep that's good
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stuff Cliff I appreciate you coming on
1:04:08.240,1:04:12.400
buddy well it's been an honor thank you
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for the opportunity and we're gonna have
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to get you on here again I got all kinds
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of stuff I can talk to you
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about yeah I I don't know if I gave out
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what guys are looking for but uh yeah
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that's kind of what I do and there's so
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many different ways to call Fox in um
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but that's just what I do that's a I
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think it's a great introduction to to
1:04:32.200,1:04:36.279
Cliff Martin on to the fox Pro podcast I
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think we can get you on here another
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time for maybe a fox calling 2.0 or
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maybe dive deep in the in the coyotes up
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in the northeast or anything we got I'd
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love to get you back on here again but
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uh is there anything you'd like to leave
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everybody with before we jump
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off no I think I'm good but yeah aim aim
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small Miss small there you go shoot
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straight shoot often
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right there you go hey we hope everyone
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enjoyed this episode we hope you join us
1:05:01.640,1:05:05.720
again right here on the fox Pro podcast