Jon Collins and Torry Cook discuss secret sounds and recap their recent Texas coyote hunt.
welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome back to the fox Pro podcast on this episode we're going to shed some light on secret sounds of course you guys that listen to the fox Pro podcast know that we don't keep any secrets that does get us in a little bit of trouble with some of our longtime friends but we can take the heat I've got Mr Tory cook of mfk game calls on the line how's it going Tori all going good how about you going going pretty good you uh you find you got off a a long holiday weekend I've heard or I wouldn't call it a holiday weekend but uh but a well I guess you call a holiday week weekend with the family anyway yeah had a downtime weekend anyway had to recover from that Texas trip we just went on that's right and it that was a that was a fun trip was out there just a couple weeks ago and uh we both got to cut loose SP a couple days out there with Chris Robinson and night crew and and it was a it another good one was it it was it's been fun every year and this one was more of the same definitely was it uh it a trip I look forward to every every single year I think the first year we went we had a a spectacular spectacular trip killed 18 coyes in two days and then last year we we still had a good trip but we had to work quite a bit harder for them and then this year it was kind of back up again for us I think we killed 10 Couts and in two days had three days of hunting plan but but the rain got us on the third day yeah y it was uh all three trips were good and that I mean that that first one was just hard to beat I think we only had two blank stands that whole trip yeah we we we hit it we hit it just right of course his trip here I think we hit it pretty good too we did have a a few more dry stands on this trip but overall I'd say we were actually caught in you know called coyotes in on more stands that we than we did not call coyotes on yeah it was it was as good as what you could typically expect for a for a trip and people got to remember you know we're filming too so it's a it's a slow pace laidback type trip if you were out there hustling you know really trying to kill some cats this last trip was set up to where you know I fig we could have we could have killed several more CS uh what we killed if we'd you know been pushing to make more stands and then shooting never I mean we had the one stand where I I guess we could have killed about three more coats had the opportunities to shoot them and just didn't pull the Triggers on them so it was a a dang good trip it it it was a good trip and that kind of kind of leads us in into this podcast day you know talking about secret sounds you know it's one of those deals it seems like like coyot Hunters are always in search of of that that secret sound you know that people think that magically calls in coyotes every single coyote that's out there on the landscape um and I'll admit it it was talked about this before we started the podcast you know I'm guilty from time to time of saying on social media posts I use the the secret sauce you know to call in a k yeah was kind of impl that I use some kind of magical sound that no one else H has but it it's time to let everyone in on the secret I guess Tori there there is no secret sound there is no secret sauce what what what the secret what the secret sauce is in my eyes it's just simply that sound that I'm having the most luck out of at any given time that that secret sauce uh sound could be effective for for a day or two it could be effective for a handful of weeks or even even a couple months um Tori what's your what's your definition of secret sauce or Secret Sound you you covered it pretty good right there I mean it's just it's what's working right now that and sometimes I don't know what it is I mean I don't think any of us know why C swap from one sound that's working really good for for a period of time and I guess that's the secret sound at that time frame I don't know why those CS will be triggering so well on a particular sound and then all of a sudden they'll shut off on that sound and swap to something else and you just have to find the next sound that's working and sometimes it's a recipe of sounds right it's it's definitely there is no like you said there is no one sound that just works all the time year round that nobody else knows about or anything like that right yeah I've always been kind of guilty say yeah I've went through through the kitchen sink at them but I finally went to the secret sauce and brought them out yeah I do think that you find I think sometimes you have the secret sauce because you've played enough sounds kind of like we've talked about on other podcast you've played enough different sounds from different trigger categories cast that big net and you find a sound that's working really well and maybe you're the only guy that has figured that out in that area you know and some of these contest Hunters do that from time to time they figure out whatever that secret sauce is for that particular time frame and so I guess maybe in if you look at it like that I guess I guess you've got the secret for for a short period of time until that changes right I know I've hit those secret sounds from time to time that uh you know it might be my fifth or sixth or even seventh or eighth sound that I play through my sequence and then after I see it you know coyes are triggering on that specific sound uh they sure move up in my in my sound list during my sequence when I'm calling for Co during that stretch of time yeah yeah and I think there are other times I mean our second trip to Texas was kind of like that to where we're killing Cs and we've got CS coming but they're coming on a Vari and you just don't ever find the secret sound or the secret sauce you just keep playing through I mean we called up a c on a variety of sounds that second trip we never really found I don't remember ever really finding anything on that second trip that was just the goto sound we called coats on some prey sounds different ones we called coats on different Co vocals it was just kind of all over the place and so we had to keep a pretty big you know we had to cast a pretty big net on every stand yeah get cows kill yep but on the first trip and the last trip there was definitely you know those cows were definitely triggering on uh some specific sounds and so we kind of had a secret Secret Sauce going on those trips yeah well speaking of that two years ago on our first trip down to Texas it seemed like it seemed like goody Woody was a secret sauce you want to talk about that cuz I'd say out of those 18 coyotes we killed I'd say what at least 2third of them if not three quarters of them probably showed up to either goody Woody or broecker we used broke pecker on that trip too I think but I think most of them came to goody Woody it was just one of those sounds that seemed like if you when you played it I just sitting there ready to flip that safety off yeah and we got on that a good thing on that trip probably why we killed so many coats you know we found that sound quick or at least realized that it might be a good sign because on the very first stand we sat down the middle of the day and I I played two bird sounds to start off with and it was goody Woody and I think broke Becker killed a double on that first stand so from then on you know we were putting that those sounds right in you know right on the front when we'd s down and start a stand and that's what we were calling a lot of those coats just about every coat or at least the first coat that we killed on that whole trip came to one of those two bird sounds and we did kill a few you know after we would call one up we did kill a few on some fight sounds and we kind of had a we kind of had another Secret Sound going right there a couple of them with fight challenge yep fight challenge P town you know those producing a second Coots but like you said the bulk of the Coes came in on that bird uh goody Woody or or broke Becker and then we picked up a few more on a couple of specific fights but that that whole trip there were certain sounds and we had you know stands where we played other you know other sounds and just didn't get any Cs on them right right it was me and what I mean by that we called up the first C A lot of times on those bird sounds then play through you know go ahead and play our Stand Out play rabbits play house play and then we'd get to those fights and we'd pull another coat in but we weren't pulling coats with those other stands mixed in the middle so kind of showed us what the what the Coats were biting on and what the secret sound was if that's what you want to call it yep we and we ran with it and and had an awesome awesome two days and and on our hunt this year same thing we we found the secret sauce but it happened to be a be a different sound it's a new sound from mfk game calls squeaky squeaky it uh we started playing that man the coyes were coming was they they were and you know what's surprising is a sound like squeaky squeaky it's one those sometimes the secret sound is a sound that you don't expect so don't be scared to play some sounds that maybe don't sound that great to your ear or just aren't that catchy for whatever reason you know and you you think well that you skip over them on your remote sometimes those submissive Beggars are prime example it's not a catchy that sound never caught my attention it's one of my favorites You' heard you've heard me say that a time or two I was like man I don't think it sounds all that good but man that Coy sure like it they they love that it's always been a standout and squeaky squeaky is kind of following that same pattern of being a sound that I mean I had that sound especially uh considering what it is and I guess we'll get into that later but yeah I just never put a lot of I just didn't have a lot of I guess confidence with that being a great sound right off the bat and uh before that Texas trip I'd used it a couple times and was calling stuff up with it with good success no more than I'd played it but I still wasn't playing it a whole bunch then I sent that sound to a couple people case Covington being one of them yeah and he started smashing codes with it yeah Joy worth was smashing codes with it and I started getting feedback on that so prior to our Texas trip I said you know I'm G I'm gonna go ahead and give it a little more little more opportunity to see what it day work first very first sound I played on the first stand and that got us rolling I mean because here come the C right off the bat yep sure enough and we'll talk about that stand we'll go ahead and talk about some of our most memorable stands from Texas trip and tell you guys what made them successful but our very first hand you know first morning there was right at Sunrise I mean the sun was just now starting to starting to peek up over the trees and we got set up in a growed up fenro had a little small looked like a Hayfield I guess that we were in and not 200 yards 250 yards to the thicket just a big old Cedar Thicket on two sides of us and then kind of had like like a grown up pasture field behind us but you started off right with squeaky squeaky and uh you know Chris to us said you know usually if coyotes show up they'll show up from that left corner man it wasn't what a minute and a half or something maybe two minutes at the most of playing it I caught movement it was a cow yeah no more than that because I was limied that sound you know two and a half three minutes and we hadn't got there yet the GU it was already it kind of surprised me you know you I think you saw the go pop out and kind of surprised me that he was there that quick but yeah just uh I mean less than two minutes and we had the first goat roll in and that coat he got right there on top that x24 and uh yeah I think you were I think you were waiting on Chris to give you the goahead and that Co kind of got the steeping sideways but uh he didn't no he still he was still locked in you know he didn't want to lead and he he held up a bit too long and you knocked that first go down yeah we uh we mil milked him pretty hard he come up here and give us opportunities we could have shot him a hundred times I think he stopped twice and then on second time he stopped he uh I mean he was still advancing to the call but he wasn't just steps from it and yeah I was kind of waiting on Chris you know it's his show we're filming for night crew so I I wanted to make sure he got everything out of of that he needed and he was I think Chris was wondering why ain't why ain't this Collins guy shooting or why ain't Tor mowing him down the shotgun but finally he started to take off started to double back but he he was still in tune on that x24 and that squeaky squeaky sound and he stopped out there one last time and and we dropped him and we actually killed a double on that stand that's when you started switching over to some other other sounds but we actually had a coyote that came out the second coyote he actually got in behind us didn't he actually got in and and had to get a nose full of us yeah he got down wind of us and and made a couple laps around us but ended up sticking around too long he was curing us out the whole time too oh he he was and he actually got it started to go around us a second time or third time maybe and got over to our left and actually got over where we could saw seen our truck I saw Chris's truck Park but man he was cussing us up and down and finally finally give us another shot opportunity we knocked knocked him down I think you switched through a couple different fights and and had him out which we was kind of you was testing out some new uh breeding those those really are secret sounds right now cuz they they are not at they are not ready to releas I don't have them edited so any of you that hear this you know calling ain't gonna do no good they're not ready yet but but yeah I don't I don't have them guys so don't be messaging me I don't even have them but they were uh they were the true they were secret sounds and I tell you what I like the looks of them we used them on a couple stands and that kind out in particular he come down wind of us smelled us he saw us he saw the truck and he still made I think he made I think you killed him the third time that he went to lap around he made the mistake of stepping up on that little Hill there yep you uh you ended that cussing match that we were having with him yep and that that was the thing I started to shoot him the second time he came through and uh it was one of those deals we was making sure camera had him and all that type of stuff he he would have been dead 5 minutes earlier if it hadn't been for the camera but it still worked out he had had a double on the ground but uh the the next stand the next successful stand I want to talk about and you kind of already alluded to it earlier but uh it was that stand where we set up tight um that we had the two or three coou run around but only killed the single there this was a a place that we had uh a little bit of history with it we we' made a stand there a year before where we set up actually two years before we set up in a hay ring or on the outside edge of a hay ring well this year that hay ring wasn't in the same spot so we didn't have no good vantage point so we actually set up what 30 yards or closer to the thicket and uh had a ky just just immed immediately come out you want talk about test stand Tor that's as quick that that's probably the quickest that I've ever it can't be any quicker we sat down turned on squeaky squeaky again and I mean as soon as sound come on seconds within seconds I seen the flash of the cat and here come that first one and he run right over the I mean he run right over the call and popped him with the shotgun then the number TW rode over him yeah that's right yeah them Apex to rolled him up for sure and right behind him were two more if not three more Cs on that uh on that same stand and they ran you know all of those CS trigger on squeaky squeaky they were all we could already see them coming behind that lead go the lead goat had enough of a lead that when he run over the call we had to knock him down and then I swapped right back to those same fights again and uh those other ones ran laps around us I mean multiple times and you had opportunities to shoot them with a shot I mean the the Rival I had opportunity to shoot him with a shotgun and we just never did pull the trigger because those coach were that they wouldn't hold still for long enough to get the camera get the gun lined up and then I think the only time that we had all that lined up the coat was on the hill yep skylined on the hill and the farmer's house was over that heel so yeah we couldn't shoot him in but uh that was another another good stand squeaky squeaky right off the bat and then kept him Coach around there towards the towards the tail end but we probably had those coyotes after that first initial coyote bit to dust we probably had those other two and three reason we're saying it could have been two or three more because they were they spent most of the time in the thicket in front of us we were just catching glimpses of them and uh you know they would come they would crisscross and you know I canot to this day tell you if for sure if it was two more cows or three more cows it's definitely at least two uh sure two but we had to have them there for what 15 minutes after the first shot that we had them other shot opportunities and watched them crisscross in front of us and behind us I mean they stayed and stayed and stayed and every coat that we called in on the trip you know we call in one and if there was a if there was a double or triple or anything like that we were able to call those CS in you know call them back up at least once and you kill them or call them back around like those that we never did get killed they just kept making yeah yeah and those uh those secret fights were uh were what was doing it I mean they were those sounds when we release those sounds I think they're gonna they're gonna do really really good it's pretty unique squeaky got them up there to begin with you know squeaky squeaky was was the sound on that trip that got all the goats up there to begin with we were just able to call them back up after the first shot yep yep and then on that same exact property uh we made another stand the second stand on that property that we had an you know some history with two years ago two years ago uh I was able to knock down a very memorable triple we had coyotes running all over the place had coyotes in behind us it was coming through the fence on us one of the biggest memories of that stand besides for killing three of them was this great big old gnarly male old Coy that had a brok ear I don't know if you remember that to he'd be running in he had one ear that was drooped and just pointed straight down uh but we we made that stand again made the same exact spot uh but the only thing different this year is Tory was packing his shotgun and we played squeaky squeaky and sure enough within a couple minutes or less we had a cow in the field with us from squeaky squeaky you want to take over from merory yeah that that stand stands out to me because like you said couple minutes get into the sound the co pops out and he's just kind of fooling around the Call's sitting out in the middle of the field he pops out of a kind of like a a mixed Timber slash Thicket pops out in the corner down there and he's just kind of fooling around he's smelling he's taking his time and he starts easing that way we've got a wind we're sitting on the fence row and that wind is blowing from the call back to us Y and you I mean you called it on the stand uh and instead of him going straight to the call he thought he was going to hug at fence line which was a bad idea because that was putting him right in our lap we're sitting on that fence line yeah he's trying to work a win and that was a little bit older coat not no ancient coat but a little bit older coat and that thing was going to try to work the win he still wasn't he still wasn't gonna be 40 yards from the call and anyway you said I can't remember exactly what you said but you knew it was going to be a shotgun kill with him right there on the fence lining kind of got that big tree on us and started coming straight into us and he was coming the the difference with that stand is just about every other coat we killed come in pretty pretty hard and fast Y and that coat was he was a little bit slower he was steady but a little bit slower this little Trot This Little Light Trot and and actually what I said was to you going to be shotgunning this one just simple as that cuz I mean I knew it soon as soon as he actually he came like you said he came out and got the nosing around out there I don't know if they must been a a mouse or or bow or something that caught his attention right there underneath that tree and uh but once he broke from M and came he just steady trotted to us and like you said we had the wind we had the call sitting straight out to the kind of to the left of us if we was facing down that Fen R like I said the wind was blowing right back to us it was just a perfect per perfect scenario if a if a Coy come down that fence he was going to either come right up on top of us or come in between us and the call and how it worked out just Tory didn't even have to move his shotgun that c just walked right into the bead that 870 yeah and when you said that I knew exactly what you was thinking I knew you was feeling that wind the same way I was and knew what that c was gonna do and sure enough he walked around that end end of the walked out from behind that tree and when he did he was focused on the call yeah and I had my bead on him the whole time and could have done killed him 20 yards or more past that but I was just letting him walk in close as he would letting Chris get all the footage he wanted and about that time he finally looked our way and I seen him I seen it in his eyes that he that he knew he messed up he seen us you know and it was too late because as I seen you when y'all watch the footage of this hunt you'll see that Co make that look and he takes that side step but them toes was already on the way and uh it it mowed him down broke him up pretty bad that was a that was one of the more memorable hunts for whatever reason I guess it was just because the way that guy walk work the call and kind of anticipating that it's always fun when you when you sit down on a stand and you you anticipate what that C's gonna do and you kind of got a trap set that works just right that one of them STS well that's kind of one of those setups you know I've talked about this before I tell people you know instead of trying to call just simply call a CO out somewhere and shooting at wherever it's at try try to place a coyot where you want him at and that's exactly what we did on that stand and cuz Tory didn't had to move his gun I mean he just literally walked right into the beat of that shotgun and when he did do that side step I don't think he was actually trying to get away Tor I think he was just opening his body up more to make sure he caught the full
load he definitely did I mean he he was a bag of b a bag of broke bones when we got down there to him he he definitely was and and the the that day wasn't wasn't over yet we was still still rolling uh went into that afternoon and and end up making another stand that that we killed a triple on two years ago uh actually made stands on this property the last three years and it's been successful for us every single year uh but that first year it was a stand that uh Tory wasn't P Tor had shoulder trouble wasn't packing a gun and we called up three coyotes actually called one single up from right below us got it killed and called like a little family group in from our left uh but this year they came from below us again and this was one of those cool stands where we actually got a shotgun rifle double and I'm pretty sure this was a true blue you know what we would consider a breeding pair of coyotes you know two paired up coyotes um you remember the stand I'm talking about Tori oh yeah yeah I remember it well it was uh I mean that that stand right there like you see it that's just been a go-to spot every time we every year we've been this being the third year we sat down we pretty much made the same stand that we made the first year and same thing turned on squeaky squeaky and right out of the ticket here comes that pair of coats run up there and it it this was another one and this is kind of a testament to the sound working as well as it was these CS were we were we weren't necessarily setting up for what you would consider a a true ch a true shotgun setup on a lot of these stands and this was one of them we were fair piece off the cover so I'm kind of sitting there planning on running the remote Chris filming you smack one right well these coachs break out of the thicket and they never slow up they they come right into shotgun range right on top of the call I'm still thinking you know it's your shot so I hadn't even picked up my shotgun and you're thinking the opposite you're thinking well to the blast these shotgun yeah soon as I soon as I seen him going that dip I I was like I I didn't even get down in the rifle I said you going to mow them both down one shot and that that's one of the things I like about it almost bit us on that stand but one of the things I like about that hunt and US hunting together nobody is greedy on this deal I mean it's just whoever kills the code everybody's good with it we're almost to the point where like on that deal you're giving me the shot and I'm giving you the shot there be neither one of us take the shot the first count breaks the lead coat runs off gets up there and in the process of trying to get our gun up on it because gun John ain't ready and I think he is Chris is setting the point us yeah so neither one of us know that the other one is not ready and uh anyway that coat takes off as we're trying to get on it and the second one stops and by that time I am ready and I just shoot him in the same tracks as the first one knock him down with the shotgun but we've got them fall back secret fights and kick them on and it ain't but a second that first one comes right back out and you mow it down with the Y rifle and kind of a unique deal getting the shotgun rifle double yeah it was it when that uh first off if anybody else is listening been on this hunt with us and you watched us let those two Coy run up there then the first one turn to run off y'all have been thinking what in the world are you all doing shoot these D on things but hey they wasn't they wasn't going nowhere that the first one took off but the second one just stood there like you know why you running and that was his his last mistake cuz he caught a load of twos but that lead coyote it run down there back down to the thicket well to the point of the thicket anyway which was just less than 100 yards away and I could see it it stopped down there I could tell it wasn't going nowhere it was W to stick around Tor got switch in a couple sounds played some of these new new breeding sounds he's uh testing and sure enough it come up there for another opportunity and and we had another double we had a double down on the trip um very very memorable stand like I said that was what you call a uh a true breeding pair of coyotes the first Coy that got shotgun uh was actually the male I think and the one that we called back up was the female yeah and that was a I mean nothing extremely odd but for out there and the color of most of the Cs we kill you know that wasn't staying where that female I'm pretty sure it was a female remember she was real light color for what like a Montana kill out pretty Co yeah yep and she was beautiful look like one of those Montana money coyes a little petite thing too little B old Coy yeah yeah she was but uh that was a fun stand and then what' that do did that take us to the next day it did take us to the next day and one key thing to mention every one of these coyotes initially showed up to squeaky squeaky every single one of them came to squeaky squeaky right off the bat U now we went in the next morning we actually had a couple dry stands maybe three dry stands to start off was was like man maybe we we lost the magic and then we finally went to a property that uh uh that we had a awesome stand on last year uh which was uh we killed the doom doom double where where Tory mowed down two sh two coyotes on the Run but we didn't actually make that stand we we stopped probably I don't know five 500 yard shy of it in a power line right away just because how the wind was blowing uh pretty tight stand very narrow but we could see a long way could probably see 250 300 yards up that power line right away and this this actually happened later into the stand started off with squeaky squeaky played it out and then I think you went to what was it rose bush cotton maybe or broke cotton broke cotton was the next sound this was to me this this stand we even talked about it after the you know after the kill this stand was one of them what would be eye openers I guess or or a learning type deal for people uh because we sat down on that stand and squeaky squeaky had been the money sound so I started with it I played it roughly three minutes nothing had showed up so I swapped over to broke cotton which is a louder sound and and squeak squeaky is pretty loud but it won't get as loud as those rabbits and some of the other sounds so I swapped to a louder sound and I cranked the volume up on the x24 to the 34 it had been playing about a minute and I was on volume 34 when that coat topped the heel rounded the corner and he was running I mean he was hooked up he was coming and he run up there about to where he could see down that power line right away and I want to stop right there and make that point we were blasting some volume that code I think he came from the across the hill out of the neighboring Thicket which was a pretty good I think it's a pretty good chance he came from the thicket where you killed that double that the year before that's that's that's kind of what I thought and he just never heard squeaky squeaky and the way we know he didn't hear squeaky squeaky is because when that Co topped the hill rounded the corner was looking down that power line right away he could see down there to about where the source of the sound was and for whatever reason he kind of hung up he was still easing but he he was hard charging and then he kind of locked up took two or three steps and I could just tell that guy was trying to hang up on us so while we had eyes on him I just hit recall on the on the fox Pro remote squeaky squeaky came right back on and I mean as soon as he heard the sound we had another hard charger he was running right down the power line right to us it was going to be another shotgun kill but there was a cedar limb I was tucked in the cover just a little bit deeper than y'all were y y'all thought I could see him he was running right down the power line right away but there was a cedar tree leaning out had a limb on it and I couldn't see the C because he was hugging our Edge he was running right up the edge we were sitting on running right to the call and so when he got up there he was in shotgun range but I couldn't see him that go turned and went in the thicket and popped right right back out on top of the x24 I mean still and I could have shot him then 20 25 steps or less yeah right on yeah right there and the way Chris was sitting there was there was enough briers and brush and saplings sticking up that he couldn't get either couldn't get him on camera couldn't get him in Focus or something and he was telling me he wasn't on him so I pretty hairy right there yeah yeah and so that Co turns and goes back in and fows around for a second or two and I ended up turning on this is another has been another secret sound at times flipped on greeting win the go pops right back out into power line and you pop him with the with the rifle 250 claimed that one yep yep but that stand was there was a couple takeaways from that stand to me that we've kind of touched on before but this proves the point them CS have to hear you to trigger yes and so people get SC I see it all the time people get scared of running volume or running sounds loud I don't if I had if I hadn't swapped a broke cotton and I hadn't cranked that volume to 34 that coat never heard squeaky squeaky now once he heard it he run over the call but he never heard the sound so cranking that volume and getting out there where you can reach those ears was was part of what made that stand the success and then it gave the opportunity when that coat did hang up we knew hell well squeaky squeaky had been working and even though we'd already played it earlier in the stand swapped right back to it cow on the string yep so y just some pretty good takeaways for that I think another one is is that greeting wines too um we already had three opportunities to shoot this KY when he hung up on the other side of that uh uh Power Line right away it was kind of a big deir like it went down went right back up the hill where he held up he was just what 200 yards 175 yards or something like that could have shot him with a rifle all day long and I go ahead and tell you probably at least 80% if not 90% of the people out there had that coyote stop up there would have probably just shot him across to cross the way instead of milking him like we did but when he did come across he stopped again down there in the right away I could have shot him with a rifle but we thought he was going to come on up there for the shotgun like you said tucked into the thicket popped out right on top of us couldn't shoot him and then when he went away that coyote was was vested in that stand he was wanting he was very interested in that call so we thought hey greeting wines might give us one more shot opportunity and when you hit that he popped right back out into the power line right away still pretty close wanting to see what was going on and we shot him with a with a rifle at maybe 60 yards so I mean it was KY giv us plenty of opportunity to kill him and we got to play with that Coy for for a few minutes there pry is a pretty pretty awesome awesome stand another thing about that stand is when that coyote was coming down that Cattle Trail in that power line right away he was like invisible if he was not moving you couldn't see him he Blended in so well out there it's amazing how you get in different areas and their color will change to match their surroundings like that he was a prime example because I mean he matched the color of that you know just every the the grass the dirt everything he was he was colored for it I mean that thing was like you said I mean he would stop he was in the wide open but he was hard to see yeah I I didn't want to move my rifle over there to look through the scope to see him there was one time I was like Whispering at Chris is like is that is that KY still standing there or did he did it leave because when he got standing still I was like well I've lost him you know I don't know where where he's at but finally when he when he broke again he was you know he was right out in the he was always in the wide open but when he finally started moving again he's took out like a sore thumb but when he would stop man he blending in yeah and it's you know talking about the greet and wine sounds even though it wasn't the go-to sound that's about the only time we we used it but as far as talking about secret sounds since I'm always testing sounds there are not many sounds that I play a whole lot but gree and wines is one of them GRE and wise submissive beggar especially during that summer puing time frame and during breeding season yeah that that sound has been one of those secret sounds numerous times and it's it's one of them that I you know put into my sequence most most always you know it is a sound that I play a lot yep it's it's both of those sounds are very subtle inviting sounds for a Cy and they they definitely definitely work um the the next stand I want to work talk about is the Bone Yard stand over at Old Uncle Gary's Gary Bennetts got hooked up that afternoon with the uh our new friend but Chris's longtime friend Gary Bennett uh we showed up to his house and and you know we've hunted with him for the last three years and we don't know where he's going to be taking us to but soon as we get to his house he like yep firstand we going right back here he points right behind his house and of course but me and Tori look at each other like yeah I guarantee you these coyotes have been fooled with some and and they had me he told us straight up said hey these coyotes right here have heard everybody in the country calling to them and we didn't go 400 yards 500 yards behind his house to a Thicket to try these coyotes I'll let you take it from heror cuz you the one L well actually this S A dou we killed a double there this was another shotgun rifle double but I'll let you take it from there oh it was it was a good stand and and like you said Gary started putting he was putting pressure on us right off the bat because he was talking about it he was letting us know hey the Cs are here I've been hearing them every night the co is there but uh I'm going to go ahead and tell you he said they they've been messed with a good bit been a bunch of them killed here and the ones that are left know the deal yeah so we go back there with h with a little pressure on us to try to call up one these educated Cs and and this is like at 1:30 in the afternoon it's like midday midday yeah and and to give to give not to try to say that we was The Mastermind behind this part of the reason that we ended up out there hunting with Chris and Gary and and Ronnie and the night crew to begin with was because Chris was already you know they were already kind of on the thought process and this is another good tip for people listening they do all that night hunting and hit these properties over and over again and killing coats and they've done it for long periods of time and they were kind of curious like hey if we go out there and you know me and you go out there and hunt them and do some day calling on these same properties does that can we call these coats and on some of these places where maybe they you know they've been burning them for a long time killing coats off of them and they're not as callable at night to swap into the daytime kind of throw a wrench in that deal and start getting C killed again and sure enough it did and this was one of those stands where going back there you know when they're night calling it they're sitting out in the Open Fields because they got to get that footage yep yep well what we did different on the stand was went right back there to the Bone Yard which is in the edge of the picket and I mean that one ticket that buted up about where you killed the second Cod that was a nasty ticket right there man nasty draw and then it buted up to another ticket that wasn't quite as thick anyway we're sitting in there kind of had a that th had a fingertip that run up the fence row we kind of set in that tip that bone yard was right there in front of us sat down and since Gary had already give us a little information on the spot I said I may I may need to mix this up just a little bit throw these coats off well I had them couple fight sounds that I just recorded I knew nobody had these sounds goats and never heard it and one of them broke up pretty good it's actually called broke up Bratz and so I just let it play just a couple seconds of that broke up fight and it went to a to a break into fight and I paused the call so it just got just a little bit of two coats bickering basically right through squeaky squeaky and again I mean just I don't even know if it was a minute into squeaky squeaky quick here comes the first yeah yeah here comes a pair of cows one of them's probably got a I don't know 20 30 yard lead on the other one rolls right right over the top of the x24 again right through the Bone Yard pile it up with a shotgun and then went right back to those fights called that second Co back in that had just come to squeaky squeaky and it kind of gets right there where it can see out there to the Bone Yard on the edge of them two thickets and you end up kind of threading the needle on that one I'll let you I'll let you tell about the rifle shot talking about pressure on the stand they was they was putting us under under pressure to call Coy and then they put you under some pressure to make that shot yeah that second Coy run right back off and and I'm pretty sure it was the male KY this is probably another breeding pair uh the male was the one that got the shotgun right off a bat up there close range the second Co run off and we I seen it going across the second pasture field over and circled back into the thicket it took a little bit of finessing from Tory he he switched sounds up a couple times went through his new breeding fights and a couple other things and it finally po back out on the edge of that ticket it was in a little open area but it was on the other side of a growed up fenro and I was watching it and man it was just you know was just intertwined briers and little tree limbs and stuff like that and there was this little pocket about the size of a baseball I could see through and I just happened to mention like it's I could maybe possibly thread one through there but it's pretty tight and of course it's all Chris needed to hear he said well a real professional could make that shot so I said you know what have I got to lose so I went ahead and tried and I got lucky I slipped one in there and we we got to we got the double knock down but that was a very memorable stand and we've got to give credit where credit is due I've always said that your setup in your stand location kills most of your cows even though we was playing some secret sounds there I pretty sure that stand setup that Gary took us to uh made all the difference in the world you know where we made that stand that was very inviting to those KS you know it was in the area that they wanted to be where they live at and Gary even though he's a wide open nighttime caller he had the woodsmanship and The Savvy he knew we could go right there and probably call those coyotes up in the midday daytime and it worked it worked great and to add one more thing talking about you know going into the stand him telling us you know that we was going to a bone yard we get out and you when we sat down you can see you know all old cow bones laying out there but when we get up to go drag you know that that first Scout's laying right amongst Them Bones yep we go out there to get that Co you start noticing Co going playing I I think there were more the cow the cow bones were bigger so they were more noticeable but I think there was as many cow bones laying out there as there was Cowboys I didn't notice him till we walked out there I thinking yeah they have definitely done some damage on them around here and we still got two coats called up and you were able to make the professional shot so they uh yeah a professional lucky shot we come out of that stand looking good we did we did for sure that's one I won't forget no time soon that was a that was a fun stand right there it definitely was yeah yeah we got uh we got one final stand we'll talk about it's it's in that thick very last hand where you got the shotgun that coyote you want to talk about that and you remember what I'm talking about we walked down that oh yeah yeah the Bobcat spot what we thought was GNA be a bobcat spot so Gary takes us to another honey hole spot and he tells us on the way in there he said hey it's a big Bob kit been seen crossing the road right here ever so often big nasty picket it's a kind of a old Logan Road Farm Road runs down the edge of that ticket on the ridge side and kind of drops off down to some pretty nasty stuff we get down there where there's a little small opening in that Thicket we sit right on that Old Farm Road fence roow behind us and on the way in sure enough it's cat signed from the time we cross the fence right there on the highway y all the way until we set up tracks and Scat just everywhere I mean so I'm expecting you know that kind of puts cat in your mind right off the bat so we sat down there got the 24 just right out in front of us no piece because it was pretty tight cover turn on squeaky squeaky again and once again it's quick in just a second or two or maybe I don't know minute something like that pretty pretty quick less than two easy yeah yeah less than two because I was you know I only play the sound like we always talk about I don't play them sounds long and if they ain't triggered we swaping something else so it was less than two minutes in catch movement and I think every one of us thought cat to begin with yeah turns out it was a that was the oldest Co of the trip um that Co is kind of coming in at about the pace of and kind of got that Bobcat track well see I I'm actually I got a little bit different angle than you guys cuz I said all the way up to the right and I seen it start to merge out I was just kind of seeing it through some cedar Limbs and I just kind of said right here right here right here but I'm thinking in my mind that it was that Bobcat because how it was coming it was like that slow stiff-legged tro that you see those cats do you know so that's what I I thought it was 100% cat when I first seen it I think the same thing partly because we've seen all that cat sign Gary was talking about you know we had cat on the brain yeah wanting to see a cat right and uh so when I first saw it that's what I thought it was and then quickly recognized it was a another coat coming right to the call and I mean he I can't remember if it a male female coat but uh female pretty sure I think that's right either way that thing never let up never broke stri until it walked face first into a load of them twos teeth first yeah teeth first that's right because I mean it it knocked it messed it up when we went down there and looked at it not I tell everybody you know TSS is some bad stuff I shoot the twos and the two before fours and I always say it don't matter which end you shoot them in going to knock your teeth out it is just devastating and uh that one was coming in head first and it got a it got his teeth knocked out you know right off the bat but even if it' wheed run I'd still knocked his teeth out that that's right and it uh I think it's a as a final Testament to that sound squeaky squeaky that's what brought that coyote in and and all these coyotes we killed half of them were shotguns and really there was a couple more of those other Couts that could have been shotgunned as well uh so the shotgun definitely got to talk on this trip squeaky squeaky was definitely the uh the secret sauce you might say and uh um I guess we need to won't we talk about where squeaky squeaky come from where did where did where did that sound file originate and and what is that actually a recording of we tell us about squeaky squeaky so if we rewind back few years several years this is when we were doing a lot of diaphragm calling and all kinds of stuff and I think we were already running the fox Pro to at that point we had a c this was me and Dayton and Carri Wayne all hunting together filming the hunt this Hunt is act where the sound come from is actually on the mfk YouTube channel watched it again the other day it happened to pop up scroll back across it but we had a CO that was hung up and I had tried multiple things C wouldn't budge I finally started lip squeaking at it and for whatever reason I didn't think it was anything out of the out of the ordinary but for whatever reason when I do lip squeaks it'll hit a super high pitched sound when I do that just I mean I don't know why it just does I didn't ever think anything about it I thought that everybody when they lip squeak got a got pretty much that same sound well this Co breaks runs in there think K way shot it with 22250 and bow the co down well as we're walking up there to look at the cat G Wayne and Dayton both start in on me on on they like how how are you getting that sound so loud it's not just a lip squeak it's loud and high pitched well they start talking about it and I was like just lip squeak and every everybody can do it well they brought it to my attention that the the volume and the pitch of those lip squeaks were I guess out of the ordinary they couldn't do it right not everybody can get that loud and that high pitch on it right I think the high pitch and the volume of it was what was you know it caught their attention and they they were basically the reasons that I ended up recording the sound because he like man I I I need that you know I need need that sound and I had lip squeaked in you know doing that piles of predators all kinds you know cats Coons uh Fox little bit of everything you know that lip squeak stuff in and so I didn't really even put a whole lot of thought into it for a while just kind of kept it in the back of my mind I was like H it ain't it ain't nothing in the you know it's a lip squeak ain't that big a deal ain't worth recording finally I record the sound take it out as soon as I record it took it out had a coat that I had this was this was about September October time frame this is a b Old Hunt too carried it out had a a cat that was howling at me I played a pile of sounds at that thing and this is kind of one of them deals I've got this squeaky squeaky sound on my remote but I keep overlooking it I wouldn't play it you know it just didn't I didn't think it was that big a deal and uh the good thing about it on that fox Pro is you can get even more volume you can get close to the the volume that you can get out of a lot of other pre sounds you know espe I would I would compare it to a lot of the bird sounds and stuff like that you get yeah you get so it's got the I think what makes it special is it has that rodent squeaky squeaky type sound that rodent but you get way more volume out of it you get volume that's more related to a bird or rabbit and so anyway going back to that hunt got this coat that's howled at me and I've played everything at him he's just right there but I can't see him of course hunting in the woods and so I finally decid well I ain't tried this squeaky squeaky sound so I turn it on immediately here that coat comes and he's running fic run I actually shot a tree he was running and I'm trying to follow him he's running over the call I shoot a tree on the first shot and have to kill him on the second shot right yeah that kind of got my attention went to Tennessee with the Greg and Clint used it a little bit out there this is all in the testing phase before the sound was ever released and uh killed a little bit with it and I used it here and there and every time i' used it seemed to work well I finally send it to uh case Covington that does mfk videos y'all you know case and uh send it to Joey and Greg and uh Co started hitting the ground pretty steady and at a pretty high rate you know the success rate was pretty high off that off that sound so that got us around to the to the Texas deal and I'd already I finally released the sound I actually had a couple buddies that treasured me case being one of them that did not want me to release that sound but he thought he needed keep it for yourself oh there man there have been some sounds over the years that you you wan to you want to kind of keep them to yourself but I never do I always I like the only thing I like better than killing them myself is seeing other people yeah you know use them and kill them that's the that's the real real deal there but y anyway that's uh that's where it come from it's a deadly it it is definitely is I haven't it's kind of funny because I guess I've had to sound for quite a while and I never ran it I don't even know if I'd ever listened to it I had it on the on the unit uh but but never played it but uh it it uh definitely open my eyes from this trip and like you said it is it's kind of like it's kind of like almost two different sounds in one because you can play it light and it's what it actually is is like a CO it's a coaxer sound it's it's toally lip squeaking and if you keep it at a low volume that's exactly what it is is a coax or sound but when you turn the volume up when you get up in the upper 20s and even even if you get it in the in the low 30s it it almost like it changes that sound it goes from a coaxer to like some type of bird and so it's almost like two sounds in one so you play it light it's a coaxer if you if you get a little bit more volume to it it's almost like a uh turns into a bird type sound it's it's very effective defin it's definitely a sound that you need to have on you on your Fox Pro and put it to use cuz it definitely calls in CS Secret Sauce was a secret sauce last week in in Texas anyway yeah and and I think everybody knows how effective lip squeaks can be and how effective sounds like like Vol squeaks Fox Bros B squeaks how effective those sounds have been for years I mean they've always those type sounds for whatever those squeaky squeaky type sounds and that's where the name come from those type sounds have been I mean those have been just absolute go Killers for years and years and years and I think what makes squeaky squeak squeaky a standout an exceptional version of that is just like what you were talking about while ago the the volume most of those CES and sounds if you try to crank volume on them they just they're just not the right type sound and they can't carry real high volume A lot of times they just don't sound very good when you start cranking volume with them y but that sound can handle high volume and when you get that type sound that squeaky type sound rodic type sound that's so effective on goh and you're able to reach ears I think that's the the deal as you're able to reach ears with that sound that a lot of your other coax and sounds may not get to and so you have the effect of a loud pre sound with the sound and pitch and Cadence of a rodent type coaxer so it's uh it has proven to be extremely effective on not just goats but any kind of Predator you want to play it on yep yep well I've got I've got one question I want to ask you before we hop off here and it's going to be if you could have I'm going to give you an X2 I got a brand new x24 setting right here I'm going to load five sounds on it for you what five secret sounds five Secret Sauce sounds you want on it so you can go kill coyotes this weekend while you're five must have Secret Sauce type sounds for Tory cook to go kill Coy with this
weekend well you always you don't tell me about these sounds before we talk so you catch me off guard with it ah let's see like I definitely want to keep a variety I'm gonna go with squeaky squeaky right off the bat for basically my prey my prey type sound and then I probably
want some kind of P distress in there so I'm probably gonna go with uh probably gonna go with broke pups like it give me because that one has been a a killer Secret Sauce type sound at times H I'm gonna throw greet and wines in there yep and now I want to get something probably you said I got five got five yeah that's three of them got two more to go so you get lucky this time you I'm just like three sounds so yeah yeah I know this gives I kind of I can kind of go all the way across the across the deal with that so uh I guess I'm gonna need something pretty aggressive in there I would choose one of them fights we were talking about but since they're not released yet I'll stick I'll stick with something this one has been and I the one I'm GNA go with is one that has been extremely effective right now a couple weeks before we went to Texas I told you when me and Dayton had been out calling up coats and every coat we called we were running some pretty long stands sequences and every coat we call came to Humpty bumpty so y throw Humpty bumpty in there and then um I'm torn on going with a how but since I've got all them other other sounds in there I guess I will uh well you can how with your diap you know how to use one them don't you I I'm getting decent at it I've been practic in a while all right well if I can how with my diaphragm then uh let's see I
guess bam stiny eight week that's one of my favorite pups I figured you either gonna throw that in there or submissive beggar I thought the only reason when it comes to submissive beggar and greeting wine yeah I use them for the same type sound and I just kind of interchange them so you could take you know if I go or they're interchangeable for me so that's why I didn't Pi it it's definitely definitely right there with GRE BLS what's what's John you know you know I'm gonna turn it around and make you answer the same question well let's see here secret sounds um if I especially if it was going to yeah this is almost going to be I think I would have to throw KY Cotton Tail on there just because I've had so it's always been like one of those secret sounds for me it's like one of those fallback sounds when I'm running some type of prey nothing else working I can ually throw KI on there and something will come to it so Ki submissive
begger and I'm going to say fight challenge I started to Ste I knew you would I started to steal your sound in place of bumpy but I figured you'd name it so I left fight challenge in there for you um I G and I'm gonna throw I'm gonna pull stanky back out of the hat but I'm going to just use stanky eight-week pup that that pup distress has been so Stout for me over the last couple years uh and then I can't I was going to use I would have used broke pups but you done use that so I can't use the same thing you did broke pups is a good one um yeah man stuck um nutty nut hatch what do you think about that nutty nut hatch I going to use two prey I got two prey distress sounds in there nutty nut hatch is one of those sounds that that I think it I've used it a little bit here late winter and I've had good success with I used to use it so much back in the day it's one of those older Fox Pro Sounds but there's just been so many times it that's the same thing kind of like Ki you be on these trips and ain't nothing come to anything and you throw out nutty nut hatch they start rolling in so there you go there's there's some Secret Sauce sounds and you know what's funny about this some of the people listening are gonna be like well they Ain secret sounds these are some of the most popular sounds out there I mean these are sounds that a lot of people know about and a lot of people use and the reason that they are that those secret sounds are popular sounds because back when they were back when they and they still come back around to be that secret sauce for a particular hunt which is kind of our point on the podcast they just secret sounds are usually not a secret they're usually some of the most popular sounds out there that trigger coats and you just sometimes you have to figure them out and and the good thing is there are those hunts just like we mentioned goody Woody while ago yeah know there are those there are those hunts and those time frames where you find sounds on your remote that maybe aren't popular yet and and fight challenge that's a good one to to kind of look at I'll tell you another one that's a that really is a secret sound because people Overlook it you know about it your buddy Jeff Ryder knows about it subordinate male yeah yeah I mean plays a lot y that is a killer sound that's not that popular that falls into that secret sound category that some people have figured out and there's still a lot of sounds out there like that too to where you get to going through your remote and you find something that starts working before long it becomes a popular sound but there's a they start out as secret sounds right and just about every one of those sounds we mentioned before they before they made it to popularity they were sounds that very few people know about and there's still plenty of sounds out there that whoever's listening they may I'm sure there's some people listening thinking they have a secret sound and maybe they do for a period of time and and that's the thing you you might have a dozen sounds maybe more maybe less it is on your Fox Pro remote that you have never played in a field that might turn out to be one of your back pocket it secret sounds if you just played it and that's that's kind of the deal with this podcast like I said we're just wanting to shed some light on the quote unquote secret sounds Secret Sauce what that is is just simply the sound that we're having the most luck out of at any given time and when we start having good luck with a sound through a stretch we going to keep rolling with it till it till it quit produces for producing for us in that stretch and I guarantee you just cuz it might fall off at at one particular time it'll come right back and be another hot sound for you once again throughout some time throughout the year hey you mentioning that made me think of a Foxpro sound that back when I first started calling it was kind of a it was it was a secret sound until you started seeing it gain popularity and then it became so popular that people kind of quit using it and I feel like that's a sound people could probably go back to and that's lightning Jack oh yeah you used to hear about Lightning Jack all the time and occasionally you'll still people you'll see people make a comment about light and Jack because it got so popular and everybody was playing it that it doesn't get played as much now but at one time when that sound first come out and a few people started using it that was the that was the secret pray sound right there and then people started letting it get out it got popular and some of them sounds come back around like you like you said that's and that's one of the things you know I could we could challenge you guys to go out this weekend and play Nothing But Lightning Jack and I guarantee you kill cows oh yeah you know I guarantee it I guarantee it and you might be scared to death go try it but lo and behold you'll have hard Chargers there are so many sounds now coming out you know I mean you just take like the pup distresses for example all the different age classes of pup distresses there are so many of those sounds that I guarantee you are standouts that will eventually be recognized and be made popular and some people are s like I said a while ago some people are sitting there right now and they know of one they know of one that we've never mentioned on the podcast they've never heard anybody else mention that they're piling CS they gonna keep it they gonna keep it close to chest I bet they probably will but eventually somebody else will figure it out and those sounds will turn into turn into really popular sounds another another one of those and and I almost threw it out there um I mentioned stanky eight-week pup one thing that t pup one sound that t pup distress reminds me of and one of the reasons I think I like it so well and one thing if I like a sound the reason I like it is because it calls in Couts but what that sound reminds me of is pup distress number three from Fox Pro it's kind of got that same Rhythm and both are just good producers good producers I wondered if you would throw up three I thought about it it was it was running through my mind when I would J you know juggling through sounds to throw out there in that list that's the thing we got so many sounds through both libraries it's like he picked just five yeah and you know with pup three pup three was a sound that came out pup three's been out for a long time and has been popular for a long time and it was one of those sounds where at the time I think I think one thing that helped it get recognized is there wasn't there wasn't as much to choose from then and so that sound well no other pess like and that's right and so people were playing and it gained popularity it didn't have much competition at the time now with all the sounds in the libraries there's a lot of great P distresses out there that are in that same you know that that produce just like pup 3 does that people just haven't figured out yet because they have so many options I mean they're sitting down in a variety of pup distresses they have at their fingertips is you know just almost I wouldn't say unlimited but it's close to unlimited because it take you a while to go through and not only that I've got so many of them that hadn't been released yet that are just right just waiting takes forever so you know it takes a while when you're sit there with you know you got 50 pck distresses on your remote takes a long time to make enough stands to figure out which ones are you know are top producers sounds like a good problem to have to me oh it is keeps them ears fresh you got anything you want to leave us with Tor I just appreciate everybody listening and hope you get something out of it always like hearing feedback uh from people having success after listening to the podcast so uh that's it appreciate y'all yep appre appreciate everybody listening to this podcast good luck to everyone that's going to be hunting in the upcoming weeks we hope everyone enjoyed this episode we hope you join us again right here on the fox Pro podcast