Jon Collins and Big Al Morris discuss their top five calibers for hunting coyotes.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls we
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are Ellen again welcome back to the
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Foxpro podcast on this episode we're
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going to discuss our top five coyote
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calibers this is John Collins and we've
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got Big Al Morris back on the line again
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what's going on now
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John how's the weather in your country
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it's wet we've been getting a lot of
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rain here lately which is pretty good
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because we had been dry for most of the
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summer and thought we was going to go
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into a drought but it is is actually
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turned off wet again kind of got us back
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to normal how about you
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well I saw where them people were
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flooding out in your state but hopefully
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it wasn't anywhere near you it's it was
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probably about an hour or so to two
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hours east of me which was you know been
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still close John it's pretty close it's
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pretty close you know it's I'm kind of
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in what they consider the Bluegrass
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region of Kentucky is he's Rolling Hills
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Farm country and then you just go just a
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little bit east and it gets into that
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mountain and stuff you know Eastern
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Kentucky and Virginia West Virginia you
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know Western how far are you from the
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big horse racing places in the horse
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pastures and stuff I'm just an hour
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south or less from Lexington which is
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where kingdom is at where all the big uh
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thoroughs and all that stuff yeah yep
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just I'm right there
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well one of these days I'm going to get
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on one of these planes when they get
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this stuff figured out and I'm gonna
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come hang out with you in Kentucky
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because that sounds like a lot of fun
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but we're talking calibers today that is
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that is right and you know before we get
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started how's the how's the coyote
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hunting been for you lately I don't know
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you've been on a hunt or two here here
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is well I was in New Mexico and the very
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first pair we called in
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I was down there with Chris Lilly in uh
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just outside of Pie Town New Mexico the
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first pair we called in worked the dogs
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like a I mean it was perfect the female
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comes in barking the male comes in
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trying to beat up the dogs and and me
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and Chris dump a double with the rugers
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and and I thought it was going to be
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alligator Central down there and then
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every other guy we called in was wussy
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it would not engage the dogs and it's
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just been they I haven't had but two
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pair of alligators everything else has
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been really soft with the dogs this year
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I don't know whether it's environmental
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I you know I some day I'm gonna write a
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hell of a book John me and you if we
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ever put her put her heads together and
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write a book but uh at the end of the
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day it was it's been a good dogging
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season it just hasn't been the
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alligators that I like to see and dog
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interaction right but but the coyotes
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the calling itself as far as has been
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pretty good no you and John I just gotta
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give a shout out I mean we always you
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know foxboro's had the largest Sound
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Library in the business if there was
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ever a knock to our line it was that we
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didn't have the vocals that some of
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these other lines had but teaming up
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with mfk it's been a game changer
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no you know it's a game changer too but
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adding the mfk being able for me and you
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to add that mfk library to the fox Pro
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it's just it gives me a confidence I
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just I don't think I've ever had before
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well we've gotta we've got several more
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weapons in Arsenal now it uh definitely
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can't say enough about them Tori's got
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it going on for sure and I think you
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know working on some new sounds it'll be
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coming out for too long I know they've
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been testing some so right yeah he's out
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there in the future yeah I can't wait
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either well I do a lot of fishing and I
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don't take just one jig or one lure to
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go fishing and it's so nice to have a
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tackle box full of the best lures we can
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be throwing out to coyotes and great way
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to put it
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it's just it's awesome
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let's try that right oh yeah no you can
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go through it and you know we'll I know
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we got another podcast coming up we're
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gonna start talking fall techniques but
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it's just awesome to be able to morph
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one technique into another and we can
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talk about that at a different date but
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uh just having that Arsenal on those and
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of course you know we got the number one
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built callers on the planet now we've
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got the largest Sound Library and the
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most options with mfk's Library added to
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it and it's just it's a beautiful thing
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man yes sir well let's let's jump right
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into it and talk about our top five
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coyote calibers and uh the truth is
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there's tons of calibers and cartridges
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out there that'll take down coyotes but
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you know there's definitely some out
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there that are better suited for the job
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than others and I want to add before we
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get started it if we don't mention the
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caliber cartridge that you guys and gals
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like to hunt with don't take it to heart
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we're not saying there's anything wrong
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with it it's just one of our favorites
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um well and let's I to be totally honest
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here John some of these cartridges I
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don't have a lot of experience with but
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I've got some really good friends that
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bought you know the 22 nozzler the 224
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Valkyrie
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um
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those calibers I'd I've honestly never
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bought one but you know several of my
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good friends have well you know at the
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end of the day and that's the thing you
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know how you've shot tons and tons of
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coyotes in your lifetime and you've seen
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yeah so many other people pile up tons
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of coyotes just alongside you and uh yes
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like I said I was telling you Earl I
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said you know I'm sure you've seen The
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Good the Bad and the Ugly when it comes
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to Coyote calibers you know but really
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put to the test in actual field you know
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you can read ballistics and some stuff
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looks good on paper but when you
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actually put the test out there in the
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field sometimes it doesn't translate
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over so it fails yeah I know and it's
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I'm a four-time World Champ me and Garf
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should be six or seven eight time world
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Champs because
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um some calibers let us down and my
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number one the first caliber that I
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really started shooting coyotes with was
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the 223 and that's my number five on my
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top five list is the 223 and and me and
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Garvin bought Remington 788's box
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magazine
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um you know I talked to the guy that
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worked at Remington he retired he was
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the number one uh guy at Remington for
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years and he remembers Remington the 788
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line you know and they made 243s 22 250s
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two two threes and and at one time I had
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all three in 788 but they bought uh a
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company in Italy had thousands and we're
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talking 150 000 barrels or some crazy
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amount of barrels over there and they
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asked Remington if they wanted them and
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they shipped all those barrels
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from Italy or wherever they made them
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from in Europe over to Remington and
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Remington handmade every one of those
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788s they literally sat and uh you know
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decided you know they had to be most of
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them were either 22 or 6 mm or you know
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the 243 caliber and they would uh ream
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them and and put a caliber and put them
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into together by hand every one of those
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788s were put together by hand that's
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why if anybody out there is a seven
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Remington 788 fan everyone was handmade
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back in the 70s that's pretty cool yeah
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and that's why they're so accurate they
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they all had to be handmade from each
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Barrel to each action and everything so
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if you've got an old 788 and you know
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but we me and Garvin bought the two two
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threes and we could buy a thousand
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rounds of ammo for 179 bucks
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at this moment
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and yeah we would we would buy those
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thousand round cans and we would go
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shoot 2 000 rounds during the summer I
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would go buy a box of 100 Clays and we
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would put 50 100 Clays up on the hill
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anywhere from 350 to 50 yards and then
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we'd pick a clay and if I missed Garvin
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would shoot and we'd keep tally and we
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got to where one day we shot a hundred
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Clays and never missed our first shot
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out to 350 with those two two threes we
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thought we were Invincible we had the
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old Leopold scopes with the little fine
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dot yeah lines in it and uh but we
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noticed
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as we contest on it
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that uh
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we noticed contest hunting that we
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started getting some Spinners and we
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started losing some coyotes now back
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then we shot 55 grain soft points that
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was our go-to bullet
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um I don't think I would have lost as
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many coyotes had I been shooting the 53
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grain super performance right right yeah
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but you know the 223 at the end of the
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day let some coyotes get away from us
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and that's why it's number five on my
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list do you uh do you ever shoot to two
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two three anymore or is it oh yeah yeah
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no I video with it all the time and my
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favorite my AR to that yeah
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that MP
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um
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from Ruger that's semi-automatic uh AR15
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that NPR from Ruger is my uh go-to uh
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it's in my truck all the time
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um every every place I go it is my
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backup gun I got you if something would
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happen to my my uh number one gun or my
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number two you know the bolt actions or
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if I just feel like I'm going to get a
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lot of multiples I'll pull out that NPR
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and let that AR forward what about your
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night rig it's you got your AGM on is it
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is it an AR platform or whatever it's an
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AR-10 platform in 243 well and I guess
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number four on the list yeah I know
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that's I told you that's my number four
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and actually me and Garvin as we
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transition through you know and you you
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mentioned The Good the Bad and the Ugly
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we did a stint with the six five Grendel
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AR platform yeah
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and uh I'm just here to tell you me and
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Garvin could ring we had these little
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steals that I just had some metal
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targets made and these little pigs were
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about the size of coyotes and they just
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sort of they cut them out as pigs
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instead of coyotes for and it's all good
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we just use you know we would set them
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out to 500 yards and Garvin never missed
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at 500 yards he could ring that steel
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every time and every coyote that he ever
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shot at 500 yards I'm pretty sure he hit
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but we did not collect them all that one
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two three uh SST 123 grain SST uh
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Factory ammo
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um from zero to 200 yards would drop a
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coyote every time so if you're shooting
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a 6'5 Grendel and you're saying you
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never lost a coyote I understand you
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probably ain't shot at one over 300
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yards but when that bullet slows down
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from three to five hundred yards it just
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pokes a dime size hole in dime size hole
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out and we literally would watch coyote
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spin at 504 three four five hundred
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yards and watch them run out of our
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lives and we couldn't find them right
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yeah we know they're dead with the red
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spots right behind their front legs and
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uh they got away from us and it cost us
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a couple World Championships it's
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heartbreaking heartbreak so then we went
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to the 243 which is number four number
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four on our number four 243.
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and uh you know what's your number five
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on your list John I it's it's 223. we're
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pretty sick man now I actually talked
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about this a little bit before we
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started and we were pretty much right on
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the money with our top five
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um we did have just like two that was
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that was flip-flop but other than that
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yeah I got 223 is number five you know
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what I mean the 22 nozzle and the 224
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Valkyrie I just don't think there's
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enough of an improvement over a 223 to
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put those calibers in the top five I
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think the 223 the ammunition
0:11:47.160,0:11:54.120
availability and that is superior and
0:11:51.120,0:11:56.040
then we go to the 243 the 243 has been
0:11:54.120,0:11:58.740
around for years yes
0:11:56.040,0:12:00.660
and when you start talking those 6mm
0:11:58.740,0:12:03.060
calibers you can start getting into the
0:12:00.660,0:12:07.260
you know 100 grain bullets
0:12:03.060,0:12:09.060
um the 105 grain bullets the uh you know
0:12:07.260,0:12:12.899
a lot of guys shoot them heavier Burgers
0:12:09.060,0:12:16.500
uh but I mean I'm I'm I'm shooting
0:12:12.899,0:12:18.480
Hornady 87 grain uh varmint ammunition
0:12:16.500,0:12:21.779
that's my number one ammunition for the
0:12:18.480,0:12:24.959
223 or the 243 yeah
0:12:21.779,0:12:28.500
um I love the 58 grains right 4 000 foot
0:12:24.959,0:12:33.420
a second you get that 243 58 grain suit
0:12:28.500,0:12:37.019
performance it shoots identical to a 22
0:12:33.420,0:12:39.600
250 right it's forced out if you get uh
0:12:37.019,0:12:42.839
Hornady super performance in 22 250 the
0:12:39.600,0:12:46.380
50 grain super performance for 22-250 or
0:12:42.839,0:12:48.300
the 58 grain 243 it's going the exact
0:12:46.380,0:12:50.760
same ballistics
0:12:48.300,0:12:54.480
so that's crazy to me that you can have
0:12:50.760,0:12:57.180
a 243 jacking out that 58 grain bullet
0:12:54.480,0:12:59.639
um do you ever four thousand four
0:12:57.180,0:13:01.139
thousand foot light stuff out of the 243
0:12:59.639,0:13:03.360
like that do you ever have any trouble
0:13:01.139,0:13:04.980
with splashes or anything like that well
0:13:03.360,0:13:08.040
you know it's you know what can happen
0:13:04.980,0:13:09.959
you know if you've got a bad angle or
0:13:08.040,0:13:12.180
you've got a head-on and you don't hit
0:13:09.959,0:13:14.100
the chest cabinet now the way a coyote's
0:13:12.180,0:13:16.800
chest is designed it's kind of broad to
0:13:14.100,0:13:19.019
narrow yeah and if you hit outside if
0:13:16.800,0:13:20.880
you don't dead center and we've all seen
0:13:19.019,0:13:23.220
it when you when you hit the center of
0:13:20.880,0:13:25.740
that white patch under the throat right
0:13:23.220,0:13:26.880
it don't matter those coyotes fold like
0:13:25.740,0:13:29.519
a cheap suit and I don't care where
0:13:26.880,0:13:31.200
there's a 58 grain 87 grain 105 it
0:13:29.519,0:13:33.240
doesn't matter out of that 243 they'll
0:13:31.200,0:13:35.279
fold every time but if you are outside
0:13:33.240,0:13:38.519
if you just happen to slide that bullet
0:13:35.279,0:13:40.260
between his front leg and that rib cage
0:13:38.519,0:13:42.120
um you will have a spinner you will have
0:13:40.260,0:13:46.079
a runner right they will them coyotes
0:13:42.120,0:13:47.880
are tough yeah and 240 243 uh that's
0:13:46.079,0:13:50.220
I've said this before talking to people
0:13:47.880,0:13:52.440
no matter what calibers come out in the
0:13:50.220,0:13:54.000
future I always think that the 243 is
0:13:52.440,0:13:56.160
probably going to have a spot in my top
0:13:54.000,0:13:59.040
five it's just always good it's just
0:13:56.160,0:14:01.620
that good no so when we we went from the
0:13:59.040,0:14:03.779
223s to the six five grendels to then we
0:14:01.620,0:14:05.880
settled on and I mean I've always shot a
0:14:03.779,0:14:07.860
22 250 and it's coming up in my top five
0:14:05.880,0:14:12.000
it's above my 243 because I've had a
0:14:07.860,0:14:14.279
22-250 longer right but that 243 took
0:14:12.000,0:14:16.860
over when we started losing coyotes with
0:14:14.279,0:14:19.620
that 6'5 Grendel mean garv both switched
0:14:16.860,0:14:25.800
to AR-10 243 platforms day guns
0:14:19.620,0:14:29.519
nightguns and that is my contest caliber
0:14:25.800,0:14:31.139
um I don't have a 6mm Creed yet in an
0:14:29.519,0:14:33.720
AR-10 platform I know there's some
0:14:31.139,0:14:35.880
making them right but until Ruger makes
0:14:33.720,0:14:38.339
me a 6mm Creedmoor I probably won't own
0:14:35.880,0:14:40.740
one right and uh I probably shouldn't
0:14:38.339,0:14:44.279
tell people that I have a 243 AR 10
0:14:40.740,0:14:46.139
Ruger I've got the only AR-10 243 Ruger
0:14:44.279,0:14:47.820
that's ever been made and I probably
0:14:46.139,0:14:50.940
shouldn't put that out there but it's my
0:14:47.820,0:14:55.320
number one gun for night hunting now and
0:14:50.940,0:14:58.440
uh that 243 is just my fave the 243 you
0:14:55.320,0:15:00.839
know I I'm with you the 87 grain that's
0:14:58.440,0:15:03.959
that's my sweet spot the 243 I've always
0:15:00.839,0:15:05.579
liked those 80 grain uh 80 something
0:15:03.959,0:15:06.839
grain options
0:15:05.579,0:15:09.120
um you know they're they just do
0:15:06.839,0:15:12.300
something a little more oomph than the
0:15:09.120,0:15:15.180
58 green it just I mean the 58 grain is
0:15:12.300,0:15:16.980
a laser and it'll do the job but at the
0:15:15.180,0:15:21.120
end of the day I like a little more
0:15:16.980,0:15:22.920
oomph and and we can talk about
0:15:21.120,0:15:25.260
I don't know if you've noticed this John
0:15:22.920,0:15:27.180
but summer coyote Heights
0:15:25.260,0:15:28.860
are different for bullet performance
0:15:27.180,0:15:30.660
than the winner Kyle all right so yeah
0:15:28.860,0:15:33.060
because you got you know less hair there
0:15:30.660,0:15:36.060
to go through yeah I know when that
0:15:33.060,0:15:38.220
coyote Furs out in December January it's
0:15:36.060,0:15:39.660
a different Critter than he is in August
0:15:38.220,0:15:41.519
a lot of people a lot of people don't
0:15:39.660,0:15:43.940
take that in you know that into their
0:15:41.519,0:15:46.440
vehicles and
0:15:43.940,0:15:48.600
you're shooting coyotes if you're
0:15:46.440,0:15:51.240
shooting coyotes in the summertime
0:15:48.600,0:15:53.279
that height is really thin I mean those
0:15:51.240,0:15:56.459
coyotes are leaned out they look like
0:15:53.279,0:15:59.160
rats you know that winter hair is gone
0:15:56.459,0:16:01.980
but then you go to Montana in January
0:15:59.160,0:16:03.839
you're Alberta Canada where I've been in
0:16:01.980,0:16:07.019
January I'm not kidding you it's almost
0:16:03.839,0:16:08.579
like they're wearing Kevlar
0:16:07.019,0:16:11.279
now you've got some extra stuff here to
0:16:08.579,0:16:13.980
slow a bullet down for sure I guarantee
0:16:11.279,0:16:16.560
you you want to shoot a heavier bullet
0:16:13.980,0:16:18.360
and and guys depending on where they're
0:16:16.560,0:16:20.699
at in the country like I don't think
0:16:18.360,0:16:21.540
Alabama Tennessee they I mean they hair
0:16:20.699,0:16:24.180
up
0:16:21.540,0:16:27.120
but they don't air up in in Tennessee or
0:16:24.180,0:16:30.600
Missouri or or uh
0:16:27.120,0:16:32.459
uh those Southern Alabama some of those
0:16:30.600,0:16:34.680
States Georgia is different it's not the
0:16:32.459,0:16:37.800
same as you would see it isn't the same
0:16:34.680,0:16:39.959
as the Montana or Alberta coyote a Texas
0:16:37.800,0:16:45.300
coyote does not have the hair and the
0:16:39.959,0:16:48.540
fur that a Montana Idaho oil say Wyoming
0:16:45.300,0:16:52.620
and Idaho and Montana coyote right now
0:16:48.540,0:16:55.339
have more fur on them than a Kentucky or
0:16:52.620,0:16:58.980
Tennessee or Southeastern
0:16:55.339,0:17:03.240
Dead Winter all year yeah well they just
0:16:58.980,0:17:06.660
lit you know so that I really think and
0:17:03.240,0:17:09.780
hey I've shot coyotes in Alberta with a
0:17:06.660,0:17:11.339
2-2-3 that were totally furred up and if
0:17:09.780,0:17:13.140
you shoot a coyote where you're supposed
0:17:11.339,0:17:15.419
to shoot a coyote
0:17:13.140,0:17:18.360
um you'll kill them every time I think
0:17:15.419,0:17:22.559
just sometimes if you hit bone if you
0:17:18.360,0:17:25.380
hit an angle that that uh
0:17:22.559,0:17:27.059
um that front shoulder has a big bone in
0:17:25.380,0:17:30.299
it and if you hit it at the wrong angle
0:17:27.059,0:17:32.940
them bullets especially a V-Max or one
0:17:30.299,0:17:35.820
of those newer bullets that has these
0:17:32.940,0:17:37.980
polymer tips you can get a splash every
0:17:35.820,0:17:39.720
now and again and I'd be lying if I said
0:17:37.980,0:17:42.780
I didn't every every one of us has
0:17:39.720,0:17:45.240
experienced that Splash yes so it's
0:17:42.780,0:17:47.280
gonna happen but just know and that's
0:17:45.240,0:17:49.919
the reason and that's the reason I-10
0:17:47.280,0:17:52.100
you know if I'm shooting a 243 I tend to
0:17:49.919,0:17:54.780
gravitate towards that 87 grain bullet
0:17:52.100,0:17:57.059
instead of 58 just so I don't get in
0:17:54.780,0:18:00.179
that kind of trouble but I think it's
0:17:57.059,0:18:02.100
safe to say 243 is one of the top
0:18:00.179,0:18:03.840
calibers and always will be we've got it
0:18:02.100,0:18:05.460
at number four Al's got it at number
0:18:03.840,0:18:07.260
four and I've actually got it at number
0:18:05.460,0:18:09.600
three in the next caliber we'll talk
0:18:07.260,0:18:12.900
about is is what I had at number four
0:18:09.600,0:18:15.840
but uh you know the 243s also probably
0:18:12.900,0:18:18.120
arguably one of the top two or three
0:18:15.840,0:18:20.580
night hunting calibers you see a lot of
0:18:18.120,0:18:23.760
guys that's running a thermal stuff uh
0:18:20.580,0:18:25.320
most time they're talking about a 243.
0:18:23.760,0:18:26.760
um some of the best night Hunters I know
0:18:25.320,0:18:29.039
in the world used to they they all got
0:18:26.760,0:18:32.000
excited about the 224 Valkyrie and after
0:18:29.039,0:18:32.000
a few contests
0:18:32.820,0:18:38.059
they they went they went from the 224
0:18:35.039,0:18:40.380
Valkyries to their 243s yeah so well
0:18:38.059,0:18:42.360
that tells you we want to go on to
0:18:40.380,0:18:45.780
number three we've got just three cap
0:18:42.360,0:18:50.179
we've got number five was 223 number
0:18:45.780,0:18:53.820
four is 243. three and number three yeah
0:18:50.179,0:18:56.700
a newcomer to the to the coyote hunting
0:18:53.820,0:19:00.120
world in the last five eight years would
0:18:56.700,0:19:04.260
be the six five uh Creedmoor yep
0:19:00.120,0:19:06.900
and uh you know I I I'm not a I don't
0:19:04.260,0:19:09.900
jump on bandwagons I really don't
0:19:06.900,0:19:12.840
and I thought the Creedmoor the six five
0:19:09.900,0:19:17.880
Creedmoor I thought was just you know a
0:19:12.840,0:19:20.820
fancy 308. and and I did the you know
0:19:17.880,0:19:23.220
all those there's been so many wire six
0:19:20.820,0:19:25.500
five over a 308 and when you actually
0:19:23.220,0:19:27.900
get to the ballistic coefficients and
0:19:25.500,0:19:29.280
looking at the 6'5 Creedmoor and how it
0:19:27.900,0:19:31.440
was designed
0:19:29.280,0:19:33.240
um it's more efficient than a 308 and
0:19:31.440,0:19:36.299
it's a thousand yard legitimate thousand
0:19:33.240,0:19:38.280
yard caliber where I don't know if the
0:19:36.299,0:19:40.380
two I know you can shoot a thousand
0:19:38.280,0:19:44.039
yards with a two two three and a 243 but
0:19:40.380,0:19:48.120
the six five was really designed the the
0:19:44.039,0:19:52.080
case was designed around uh new bullets
0:19:48.120,0:19:55.919
new powders and getting the most eeking
0:19:52.080,0:19:58.799
the most out of a caliber and that six
0:19:55.919,0:20:00.780
five Creedmoor with the 95 grain V-Max I
0:19:58.799,0:20:03.660
think is one of the finest coyote
0:20:00.780,0:20:07.200
calibers I have ever shot right right it
0:20:03.660,0:20:10.020
is you hit a coyote was that 95 grain
0:20:07.200,0:20:12.539
V-Max that's super performance ammo
0:20:10.020,0:20:15.299
and they're not going anywhere I mean
0:20:12.539,0:20:17.160
the 6.5 Creedmoor you know you see some
0:20:15.299,0:20:19.380
funny stuff online about it you know it
0:20:17.160,0:20:22.140
gets a bad rap it's but it's not yeah
0:20:19.380,0:20:25.380
it's not deserves more yeah yeah it's
0:20:22.140,0:20:27.299
not deserving because uh uh no now I
0:20:25.380,0:20:29.760
don't shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor but I've
0:20:27.299,0:20:31.380
seen them shot so much from friends and
0:20:29.760,0:20:32.760
other guys while we're out filming and
0:20:31.380,0:20:35.220
stuff like that they just straight up
0:20:32.760,0:20:37.500
perform that Creedmoor cartridge that
0:20:35.220,0:20:39.780
case is so efficient
0:20:37.500,0:20:41.760
um yep and it it absolutely folds
0:20:39.780,0:20:43.620
coyotes up it's extremely accurate like
0:20:41.760,0:20:45.740
you said you can shoot that thing long
0:20:43.620,0:20:49.080
ways out there does such a good thing
0:20:45.740,0:20:51.419
down if there is a downside to coyote
0:20:49.080,0:20:53.940
hunting with a 6'5 Creedmoor is it that
0:20:51.419,0:20:56.039
you will put a hole in there yeah if you
0:20:53.940,0:20:57.720
want to hide Hunter if you're a hide
0:20:56.039,0:20:59.340
Hunter and that's a whole nother you
0:20:57.720,0:21:01.380
know subject we need to talk about it
0:20:59.340,0:21:03.900
and that's you know but that's six five
0:21:01.380,0:21:05.520
Creedmoor and that 95 grain V-Max if I
0:21:03.900,0:21:09.720
was hide hunting with a Creedmoor I'd
0:21:05.520,0:21:13.080
probably go up to a uh 105 boat tail you
0:21:09.720,0:21:15.419
know right that something a little not
0:21:13.080,0:21:16.620
as much explosiveness that comes out of
0:21:15.419,0:21:19.200
there and I think it's something else
0:21:16.620,0:21:21.480
about the 6.5 Creedmoor that's uh I
0:21:19.200,0:21:23.400
think probably a lot of people don't uh
0:21:21.480,0:21:25.140
understand or don't know because they
0:21:23.400,0:21:27.360
don't shoot them is they don't have no
0:21:25.140,0:21:30.059
recoil they don't recall hardly at all
0:21:27.360,0:21:32.520
so they're very pleasant to shoot
0:21:30.059,0:21:33.900
and then suppressed they're just money I
0:21:32.520,0:21:37.140
mean it's just there's something very
0:21:33.900,0:21:38.940
and the other thing is it's one of those
0:21:37.140,0:21:41.580
I don't know maybe it's just my rear of
0:21:38.940,0:21:43.559
your American it's got that camo stock
0:21:41.580,0:21:45.600
and I'm just telling you that's six five
0:21:43.559,0:21:48.000
Creedmoor I can sit and touch at 100
0:21:45.600,0:21:50.159
yards if I get something bigger than a
0:21:48.000,0:21:53.880
dime-sized group five shots at a hundred
0:21:50.159,0:21:56.820
it's me Rod guns highly accurate it's
0:21:53.880,0:21:59.760
inherently accurate so
0:21:56.820,0:22:01.860
and I was just looking at the options on
0:21:59.760,0:22:04.340
this 6'5
0:22:01.860,0:22:07.140
read more here I've got the
0:22:04.340,0:22:08.400
yeah so they've got 140 grain match
0:22:07.140,0:22:12.720
bullet
0:22:08.400,0:22:14.400
120 grain ELD match bullet I mean I if I
0:22:12.720,0:22:16.980
was going to hide hunt I'd probably step
0:22:14.400,0:22:19.980
up to that 120 or that 140 grain in that
0:22:16.980,0:22:22.620
six five right but you know you know the
0:22:19.980,0:22:25.559
95 is all business when it comes to
0:22:22.620,0:22:28.500
coyotes that 95 grain speed performance
0:22:25.559,0:22:30.780
I I just I'm telling you I've shot a lot
0:22:28.500,0:22:35.159
of coyotes I've seen a lot of calibers
0:22:30.780,0:22:35.880
not coyotes to the ground that 95 grain
0:22:35.159,0:22:39.780
um
0:22:35.880,0:22:42.240
out of a six five Creedmoor is just it's
0:22:39.780,0:22:43.500
it's it's beautiful which which one
0:22:42.240,0:22:46.919
thing when you start talking about the
0:22:43.500,0:22:48.960
6.5s or you know or really you cannot
0:22:46.919,0:22:50.340
pretty much call him a big game gun I
0:22:48.960,0:22:52.620
mean uh but they just cross you know
0:22:50.340,0:22:55.860
that's pretty much a deer caliber but it
0:22:52.620,0:22:57.299
crosses over so oh well into the
0:22:55.860,0:22:59.700
Predator world that same thing for the
0:22:57.299,0:23:03.539
243 you know there's been many a deer
0:22:59.700,0:23:06.480
and oh Antelope and and whatever I shot
0:23:03.539,0:23:09.179
a big deer in Colorado two years ago out
0:23:06.480,0:23:12.299
there with that six five Creedmoor and
0:23:09.179,0:23:14.159
it was I shot the 140 grain ELD right
0:23:12.299,0:23:15.480
right and I think it's you know
0:23:14.159,0:23:18.360
something missing about our last 10
0:23:15.480,0:23:21.600
calibers here the 243 and the 6.5 just a
0:23:18.360,0:23:23.460
243 I mean I've took 243s all over the
0:23:21.600,0:23:25.740
country I've killed everything from
0:23:23.460,0:23:27.840
Bobcats all the way up to black bears
0:23:25.740,0:23:31.080
with them you know yeah they're a great
0:23:27.840,0:23:32.700
caliber no 6.5 is the same way and if if
0:23:31.080,0:23:35.159
somebody wanted to buy their kid a gun
0:23:32.700,0:23:37.200
that they could use their whole life and
0:23:35.159,0:23:39.000
do everything you know a few whitetails
0:23:37.200,0:23:41.820
and shoot coyotes with it would be a six
0:23:39.000,0:23:44.220
and it'd be the the six five Creedmoor
0:23:41.820,0:23:46.020
the 243 or the my number one on the list
0:23:44.220,0:23:47.340
coming but yeah we're to come up on it
0:23:46.020,0:23:48.900
just tear them in you ready you won't
0:23:47.340,0:23:50.400
say anything else about the six five are
0:23:48.900,0:23:52.620
you ready to go to number two no it's
0:23:50.400,0:23:54.600
just it's not it it's not a fad it's
0:23:52.620,0:23:57.299
here to stay and it's an excellent
0:23:54.600,0:23:59.340
caliber yeah I agree with you like I
0:23:57.299,0:24:01.140
said you you see some hate coming across
0:23:59.340,0:24:06.120
it and some people making fun of it but
0:24:01.140,0:24:08.460
the 6.5 Creedmoor is the [ __ ] flat fast
0:24:06.120,0:24:10.140
efficient and tips I'm over debt that's
0:24:08.460,0:24:11.460
what you want all right you ready you
0:24:10.140,0:24:13.740
ready for number two
0:24:11.460,0:24:15.360
well it's my favorite it's my all-time
0:24:13.740,0:24:20.179
favorite I've shot it more than anything
0:24:15.360,0:24:20.179
it's my 22 250. I'm right there
0:24:21.799,0:24:27.419
that's exactly right I'm the same way
0:24:24.059,0:24:30.240
I've probably shot more coyotes I've
0:24:27.419,0:24:32.159
probably shot as many coyotes with a 22
0:24:30.240,0:24:34.200
250 as
0:24:32.159,0:24:36.720
you know every other caliber combined
0:24:34.200,0:24:40.080
you know as far as equaling them out uh
0:24:36.720,0:24:43.500
I've always loved it's 22 250 is the
0:24:40.080,0:24:47.460
very first uh rifle that I shot I killed
0:24:43.500,0:24:50.100
my first guy 22 250. so yep no the the
0:24:47.460,0:24:52.140
first in 1997 me and Garvin won the
0:24:50.100,0:24:53.220
World Championship we won I think we
0:24:52.140,0:24:55.679
split
0:24:53.220,0:24:57.720
3 500 bucks between the two of us I took
0:24:55.679,0:25:00.059
I took uh four or five hundred dollars
0:24:57.720,0:25:02.460
of that money and bought my first Ruger
0:25:00.059,0:25:04.320
22 250 and it was the old black
0:25:02.460,0:25:06.900
stainless steel with the cut out stock
0:25:04.320,0:25:08.580
you know the the skeleton stock I don't
0:25:06.900,0:25:12.539
know if you remember those stainless
0:25:08.580,0:25:14.340
steel rugers that's the first gun for
0:25:12.539,0:25:17.880
predator hunting that I paid money for
0:25:14.340,0:25:19.200
right and uh it was the 22-250 because I
0:25:17.880,0:25:21.780
just didn't think there was a better
0:25:19.200,0:25:25.140
flatter shooting uh harder hitting
0:25:21.780,0:25:27.179
caliber than the 22 250 and and I know
0:25:25.140,0:25:33.659
they've made them into AR platforms now
0:25:27.179,0:25:38.220
and but that gun carried me for 10 15
0:25:33.659,0:25:41.100
years and it was the it was my go-to gun
0:25:38.220,0:25:43.860
I could from zero to 400 I knew exactly
0:25:41.100,0:25:46.080
where it would hit exactly um you know
0:25:43.860,0:25:48.360
there was no guesswork
0:25:46.080,0:25:49.919
um I didn't lose very many coyotes if I
0:25:48.360,0:25:52.740
did lose it I just because I hit him in
0:25:49.919,0:25:54.360
the leg or you know it was it seemed to
0:25:52.740,0:25:56.880
me that if I put it anywhere in that
0:25:54.360,0:25:59.340
chest cavity anywhere close even the
0:25:56.880,0:26:01.500
even between if they were head on and I
0:25:59.340,0:26:04.020
hit that wiener
0:26:01.500,0:26:06.480
um it caused so much damage that I could
0:26:04.020,0:26:08.820
uh stand a chance of collecting that
0:26:06.480,0:26:10.620
coyote yeah and it's just most of the
0:26:08.820,0:26:11.940
coyotes you hit with the 22 250 the
0:26:10.620,0:26:14.580
first thing hits the ground is our chin
0:26:11.940,0:26:17.000
and Northern or they're Hindi and you
0:26:14.580,0:26:19.559
know they say yeah
0:26:17.000,0:26:21.620
it's just uh
0:26:19.559,0:26:24.419
the 22.
0:26:21.620,0:26:25.980
like I said earlier about to 243 the 20
0:26:24.419,0:26:27.179
I don't care what comes out in the
0:26:25.980,0:26:30.600
future I don't care what comes out over
0:26:27.179,0:26:32.400
the next 500 years a 22 250 will always
0:26:30.600,0:26:34.200
be
0:26:32.400,0:26:36.360
um in the top five it's it's you know
0:26:34.200,0:26:38.640
it's royalty in the coyote hunting world
0:26:36.360,0:26:40.980
if you ask me the 22-2 feet right listen
0:26:38.640,0:26:43.320
I actually the very first coyote I ever
0:26:40.980,0:26:48.840
I ever shot when I was in high school
0:26:43.320,0:26:51.000
was with my dad's Ruger number one right
0:26:48.840,0:26:52.679
he shot that thing like crazy and now I
0:26:51.000,0:26:54.480
chewed it punching paper and stuff and
0:26:52.679,0:26:55.919
and when we start getting coyotes around
0:26:54.480,0:26:58.200
it was the first thing I took I was
0:26:55.919,0:26:59.940
pretty limited with just a one shot but
0:26:58.200,0:27:01.980
I sure killed a lot of cops it's old
0:26:59.940,0:27:03.299
number one and 22 250 and of course I've
0:27:01.980,0:27:05.460
owned several
0:27:03.299,0:27:08.880
uh 250 since then and I actually
0:27:05.460,0:27:11.100
shooting a Ruger American in 22 250 now
0:27:08.880,0:27:13.500
um and man I can't say well I know I'll
0:27:11.100,0:27:17.039
always have it I know 250 to shoot
0:27:13.500,0:27:19.740
yeah I know you've uh you know guys went
0:27:17.039,0:27:23.520
to the 65 284 yep
0:27:19.740,0:27:26.340
because they could get 22-250 ballistics
0:27:23.520,0:27:27.960
with that bigger bullet you know that's
0:27:26.340,0:27:30.360
why anybody you know back in the day
0:27:27.960,0:27:33.179
that was kind of the you know 15 years
0:27:30.360,0:27:35.279
ago a lot of guys went to that 6'5 284
0:27:33.179,0:27:36.900
and I really think that 6'5 Creedmoor
0:27:35.279,0:27:38.760
kind of filled that Niche for guys that
0:27:36.900,0:27:41.279
needed Factory ammo didn't want to hand
0:27:38.760,0:27:44.220
load and then the 22-250 if you just
0:27:41.279,0:27:46.140
look at the ballistics the the the the
0:27:44.220,0:27:49.260
drop
0:27:46.140,0:27:51.539
um you just can't get any better for a
0:27:49.260,0:27:52.799
coyote caliber than a 22-250 and it's
0:27:51.539,0:27:56.159
still
0:27:52.799,0:27:58.320
um I guess the reason I went to contest
0:27:56.159,0:28:01.500
calling with a 243 is that just had the
0:27:58.320,0:28:03.179
heavier bullets more options and I've
0:28:01.500,0:28:04.919
actually one of the best coyote Hunters
0:28:03.179,0:28:09.120
I know he goes why
0:28:04.919,0:28:14.640
he loads 75 grain Hornady
0:28:09.120,0:28:15.600
uh Vmax in his 22 250. now it slowed way
0:28:14.640,0:28:17.880
down
0:28:15.600,0:28:20.640
but he's never he said he's never lost a
0:28:17.880,0:28:22.620
coyote so he's loading those probably
0:28:20.640,0:28:24.240
still make it go over 3 000 feet per
0:28:22.620,0:28:26.340
second and that's one good thing about a
0:28:24.240,0:28:29.220
22 250 that I think is probably worth
0:28:26.340,0:28:31.860
mentioning is if you are a reloader man
0:28:29.220,0:28:34.380
it's hard to mess up a load of a 22 250.
0:28:31.860,0:28:36.000
there it's very easy to reload for it's
0:28:34.380,0:28:38.299
hard to make it entirely accurate yes
0:28:36.000,0:28:40.559
it's hard to make an unaccurate
0:28:38.299,0:28:42.360
cartridge you know and so if you really
0:28:40.559,0:28:44.100
want to if he said if you really want to
0:28:42.360,0:28:44.940
smell I told him I said I've lost he
0:28:44.100,0:28:47.039
said well that's because you're shooting
0:28:44.940,0:28:48.600
a 50 grain bullet you know if you ever
0:28:47.039,0:28:50.760
lose a coyote said it's because you get
0:28:48.600,0:28:52.740
that Splash or that light bullet's not
0:28:50.760,0:28:54.659
but I said it's going 4 000 foot a
0:28:52.740,0:28:56.520
second he said yeah but I'd rather go a
0:28:54.659,0:28:58.279
little slower and know the hammer or
0:28:56.520,0:29:00.539
Thor's dropping in on him
0:28:58.279,0:29:02.760
and so that's why he shoots those
0:29:00.539,0:29:05.340
heavier calibers any and he buys these
0:29:02.760,0:29:06.960
barrels with a Different Twist now I you
0:29:05.340,0:29:09.480
know I can't tell you if it's a one in
0:29:06.960,0:29:11.940
12 or you know most barrels are one and
0:29:09.480,0:29:13.260
eight and these guys you know these guys
0:29:11.940,0:29:15.480
will be laughing at me because I don't
0:29:13.260,0:29:17.580
know my Barrel twist rate as to what you
0:29:15.480,0:29:20.100
want want to shoot a heavier well I've
0:29:17.580,0:29:22.500
actually had I've actually had 22 250s
0:29:20.100,0:29:24.059
in the past and one and eights one in
0:29:22.500,0:29:27.240
nine so let's say one and eight I could
0:29:24.059,0:29:28.799
shoot everything from a 55 grain all the
0:29:27.240,0:29:30.299
way up to the 80 grain out of the 22
0:29:28.799,0:29:32.340
250.
0:29:30.299,0:29:34.740
um yeah it's Ruger American that I have
0:29:32.340,0:29:36.720
now is a one in ten twist Barrel so I
0:29:34.740,0:29:38.760
can still shoot all that 50 50 grain
0:29:36.720,0:29:40.200
stuff we'll still get on up there into
0:29:38.760,0:29:43.200
the little bit of heavier stuff in the
0:29:40.200,0:29:46.080
60s and price you to 75 just fine too
0:29:43.200,0:29:48.600
um you know I I've shot a Hornady uh uh
0:29:46.080,0:29:50.460
75 grain ELD something out of and they
0:29:48.600,0:29:52.080
sure folder right
0:29:50.460,0:29:54.299
well and that's you know we need to
0:29:52.080,0:29:55.620
touch on that I I back in the day when I
0:29:54.299,0:29:57.419
worked for 100 Specialties we shot
0:29:55.620,0:29:58.799
Winchester ammunition and those
0:29:57.419,0:30:01.080
ballistic silver tips were pretty good
0:29:58.799,0:30:03.240
bullets I I can't you know I'm not I
0:30:01.080,0:30:04.919
can't put any knocks on on that
0:30:03.240,0:30:07.440
Winchester ammunition but since
0:30:04.919,0:30:09.480
switching to the Hornady and when I went
0:30:07.440,0:30:13.980
to work for Foxpro and we were Hornady
0:30:09.480,0:30:16.620
sponsored I have been so pleased with I
0:30:13.980,0:30:18.899
mean the reliability the box to I can
0:30:16.620,0:30:22.320
get you know different
0:30:18.899,0:30:23.880
um batches I can get different uh and
0:30:22.320,0:30:26.039
everything seems to shoot out of these
0:30:23.880,0:30:27.539
rugers just money and I've been so
0:30:26.039,0:30:30.240
pleased with the shooting that Hornady
0:30:27.539,0:30:32.100
ammo out of any of these guns so yeah uh
0:30:30.240,0:30:34.080
anybody listen to this podcast if you're
0:30:32.100,0:30:36.299
looking to settle in on an ammunition
0:30:34.080,0:30:37.740
that really shoots good and does varm
0:30:36.299,0:30:38.820
it's perfect you can't get any better
0:30:37.740,0:30:41.039
than Hornady
0:30:38.820,0:30:44.220
you just can't you got anything else you
0:30:41.039,0:30:46.679
want to cover on a 22 254 move on you
0:30:44.220,0:30:49.620
just if if I I was a guy out there
0:30:46.679,0:30:52.080
looking for a coyote specific
0:30:49.620,0:30:53.279
caliber and you wanted one gun that you
0:30:52.080,0:30:55.440
were going to dedicate to killing
0:30:53.279,0:30:57.659
coyotes with you can't do anything
0:30:55.440,0:30:59.700
better than a two twenty two two that's
0:30:57.659,0:31:02.640
right 250. they uh they're pretty good
0:30:59.700,0:31:04.440
medicine for Bobcats as well I mean oh
0:31:02.640,0:31:05.820
they just about blow one up a little bit
0:31:04.440,0:31:06.960
on every once in a while but if you
0:31:05.820,0:31:08.940
shoot them right through the shoulders
0:31:06.960,0:31:11.340
or chest it does really good on Bobcats
0:31:08.940,0:31:13.500
day in day out to hide is the you know
0:31:11.340,0:31:16.140
if you hit them a little high a little
0:31:13.500,0:31:18.600
low you can get those splashes you know
0:31:16.140,0:31:20.880
those blowouts but at the end of the day
0:31:18.600,0:31:22.440
you Center them up and shoot a 22-250
0:31:20.880,0:31:24.720
you're not going to hurt too much well
0:31:22.440,0:31:27.840
you ready to move on to number one on
0:31:24.720,0:31:29.940
the list well it's really become I I I
0:31:27.840,0:31:32.880
can't I can't tell you how much I've
0:31:29.940,0:31:34.799
enjoyed shooting a 6mm Creedmoor the
0:31:32.880,0:31:36.899
last few years I tell you what I don't
0:31:34.799,0:31:38.580
even I don't even own one but this is
0:31:36.899,0:31:40.919
the thing you know people's always wants
0:31:38.580,0:31:44.100
to key in on the stuff that they
0:31:40.919,0:31:45.779
personally shoot uh when I came on with
0:31:44.100,0:31:49.140
foxro and actually before you know I
0:31:45.779,0:31:52.200
would go uh on hunts with with Mike uh
0:31:49.140,0:31:54.779
Cody both of them shooting a six Creed
0:31:52.200,0:31:57.480
um yes I saw pretty quick uh the
0:31:54.779,0:32:00.179
performance in the field my goodness as
0:31:57.480,0:32:03.059
it fold up Childs I have never seen one
0:32:00.179,0:32:05.279
even quiver as of yet I don't know
0:32:03.059,0:32:07.320
the truth of it is it's a ballistic
0:32:05.279,0:32:09.779
sister to a 243 is shooting the same
0:32:07.320,0:32:12.659
bullet it's shooting at two to four
0:32:09.779,0:32:15.299
hundred foot a second faster probably so
0:32:12.659,0:32:18.559
you've got a little bit okay it's a
0:32:15.299,0:32:23.279
little flatter and I mean I used to in
0:32:18.559,0:32:24.960
1996 uh well in 1990 I got married the
0:32:23.279,0:32:26.340
first time and my father-in-law lived
0:32:24.960,0:32:28.140
out there in round Mountain Nevada and
0:32:26.340,0:32:31.559
that's why I got to learn Nevada so good
0:32:28.140,0:32:33.299
and he gave me an old 220 Swift and I
0:32:31.559,0:32:35.159
thought the 220 Swift was the best gun
0:32:33.299,0:32:37.620
well it's the ballistic it's about the
0:32:35.159,0:32:41.580
same ballistic sister to a 22-250 that
0:32:37.620,0:32:43.799
the 6mm is to the 243 and I just I love
0:32:41.580,0:32:47.460
the 220 Swift and I killed coyos for
0:32:43.799,0:32:50.460
years on video with a 204 and it's a
0:32:47.460,0:32:54.120
flat shooting caliber but at the end of
0:32:50.460,0:32:57.600
the day the 220 Swift the 22 250 the 204
0:32:54.120,0:32:59.039
and those I mean the 223 those calibers
0:32:57.600,0:33:00.659
have killed more coyotes than probably
0:32:59.039,0:33:02.279
all the others combined yet because the
0:33:00.659,0:33:05.460
6mm Creed hasn't been around that long
0:33:02.279,0:33:08.700
right but I guarantee you for one shot
0:33:05.460,0:33:09.539
fold them up out to 400 yards accurate
0:33:08.700,0:33:11.580
as hell
0:33:09.539,0:33:13.440
you can't get any better than the 6mm
0:33:11.580,0:33:15.120
Creedmoor no you just can't they've made
0:33:13.440,0:33:17.340
the believer out of me like I said I've
0:33:15.120,0:33:20.100
watched I've filmed several coyotes
0:33:17.340,0:33:21.779
dropping already this year to the six
0:33:20.100,0:33:24.779
Creeds I've killed a few with analog
0:33:21.779,0:33:27.899
grab uh Cody's gun or mics what Mike
0:33:24.779,0:33:30.779
call out uh that that Precision calls it
0:33:27.899,0:33:32.640
Leo or something like that yeah but
0:33:30.779,0:33:34.679
anyway you know we'll take that rifle
0:33:32.640,0:33:36.899
out and it's made a Believer out of me
0:33:34.679,0:33:40.380
quick and and I've told a lot of people
0:33:36.899,0:33:42.299
that uh my next rifle that I get will be
0:33:40.380,0:33:46.080
chambered in a six millimeter Creedmoor
0:33:42.299,0:33:48.179
for sure yep well it's just it really is
0:33:46.080,0:33:50.100
that cartridge is special
0:33:48.179,0:33:51.360
um it's inherently accurate
0:33:50.100,0:33:52.740
um the ballistic coefficient is
0:33:51.360,0:33:54.360
fantastic
0:33:52.740,0:33:56.399
um it shoots flatter than its cousin the
0:33:54.360,0:33:58.980
6'5 Creedmoor
0:33:56.399,0:34:02.460
um but the 6'5 Creedmoor takes off it
0:33:58.980,0:34:04.019
takes ah the 6'5 overtakes the six at
0:34:02.460,0:34:06.320
what four or five hundred yards you know
0:34:04.019,0:34:09.300
that 243 bullet doesn't have the weight
0:34:06.320,0:34:11.580
retention that the 6'5 does so if you're
0:34:09.300,0:34:14.480
gonna shoot stuff over 500 yards you
0:34:11.580,0:34:16.440
better shoot the 6'5 Creek right
0:34:14.480,0:34:18.480
that's the reason we've got those Fox
0:34:16.440,0:34:20.220
Pros we like to call them in close call
0:34:18.480,0:34:23.040
them in closer yeah and that's six
0:34:20.220,0:34:24.780
Creeds but now you've got bullet options
0:34:23.040,0:34:28.020
in the sixth Creed now I shouldn't tell
0:34:24.780,0:34:30.899
this on on uh podcast but those guys we
0:34:28.020,0:34:33.200
have loaded 58 grain bullets into the
0:34:30.899,0:34:39.119
fixed Creed shooting
0:34:33.200,0:34:41.520
4160 wow wow and it is a laser beam my
0:34:39.119,0:34:43.220
buddy Matt people in Montana is the man
0:34:41.520,0:34:46.200
he's the one that loaded them up for me
0:34:43.220,0:34:48.839
they're fairly accurate I mean it it it
0:34:46.200,0:34:50.099
I don't get dime-sized holes at 100 I'm
0:34:48.839,0:34:52.500
getting nickel
0:34:50.099,0:34:57.000
size groups at 100 but when it hits a
0:34:52.500,0:34:59.160
coyote it is phenomenal
0:34:57.000,0:35:00.839
because they don't make it Factory ammo
0:34:59.160,0:35:03.240
let's just talk Factory ammo so if
0:35:00.839,0:35:07.200
you're talking six Creed you jump right
0:35:03.240,0:35:09.720
into those 87 grain V-Max yep and and
0:35:07.200,0:35:12.720
it's just money they that's the varman
0:35:09.720,0:35:16.800
express ammo 87 grains
0:35:12.720,0:35:19.980
um it's beautiful and then I have really
0:35:16.800,0:35:22.700
jumped and and then not six Creed I
0:35:19.980,0:35:25.200
killed a mountain goat with a 103 eldx
0:35:22.700,0:35:29.880
I've killed several whitetails in Texas
0:35:25.200,0:35:31.500
with the 103 eldx so I think we've
0:35:29.880,0:35:36.660
actually killed some coyotes with that
0:35:31.500,0:35:39.300
same bullet too 103 ldx I know uh uh Tom
0:35:36.660,0:35:42.180
Austin killed a wolf with a 103 ldx up
0:35:39.300,0:35:44.099
in in Idaho and it's just a super
0:35:42.180,0:35:46.140
reliable bullet
0:35:44.099,0:35:48.420
um it's going to expand every time it's
0:35:46.140,0:35:52.079
just it's controlled expansion and then
0:35:48.420,0:35:55.800
you got the 108 ELD match bullets
0:35:52.079,0:35:58.740
that are just phenomenal I mean guys are
0:35:55.800,0:36:02.099
winning matches PRC you know those uh
0:35:58.740,0:36:04.380
rifle matches with the 108 uh ELD mat
0:36:02.099,0:36:07.380
and I have killed the hell out of coyos
0:36:04.380,0:36:10.680
with that 108 ELD match it's a lighter
0:36:07.380,0:36:13.500
jacket it does fantastic on coyotes it
0:36:10.680,0:36:16.140
kills them DRP right there but man I
0:36:13.500,0:36:18.960
centered in on the 105 black ammunition
0:36:16.140,0:36:22.200
and that 105 boat tail hollow point
0:36:18.960,0:36:24.599
match bullet out of that 6mm Creedmoor I
0:36:22.200,0:36:28.260
can get groups touching it looks like a
0:36:24.599,0:36:30.480
ragged star five hole and here's the
0:36:28.260,0:36:32.400
thing I was going back through all these
0:36:30.480,0:36:35.640
videos I miss
0:36:32.400,0:36:38.280
I miss all the time and I guess I miss
0:36:35.640,0:36:40.320
because every Kyle that comes in the day
0:36:38.280,0:36:41.880
I quit getting excited John Collins is
0:36:40.320,0:36:43.680
the day I'm going to quit coyote I'll
0:36:41.880,0:36:46.040
tell you what you sure you sure make up
0:36:43.680,0:36:49.260
for it on a follow-up shot
0:36:46.040,0:36:51.480
I have never seen somebody Miss so many
0:36:49.260,0:36:54.599
coyotes up close just to fold them up on
0:36:51.480,0:36:56.940
a dead run at 300. in my life
0:36:54.599,0:36:58.800
no it's I for some reason I like to give
0:36:56.940,0:37:00.420
him a chance you know I feel like I got
0:36:58.800,0:37:02.760
to give him that warning shot and then
0:37:00.420,0:37:06.320
yeah and I I know I've got as many
0:37:02.760,0:37:06.320
running coyotes on videos anybody
0:37:07.400,0:37:14.579
I love it when I go through our comments
0:37:10.020,0:37:16.800
on our uh on our uh shows that uh guys
0:37:14.579,0:37:18.180
are uh talking about how you guys need
0:37:16.800,0:37:20.280
to go to a shooting school or something
0:37:18.180,0:37:22.980
I go when you kill as many when you kill
0:37:20.280,0:37:24.480
as many cows as I have on video and I we
0:37:22.980,0:37:26.880
got to totaling it up here just a couple
0:37:24.480,0:37:28.680
shorts I mean it's 85 to 100 coyotes a
0:37:26.880,0:37:30.720
year we're putting on video that's not
0:37:28.680,0:37:32.880
counting the cows we go Recreation shoot
0:37:30.720,0:37:34.859
and all that that's just coyotes you can
0:37:32.880,0:37:36.240
see us and we're gonna admit and I tell
0:37:34.859,0:37:37.619
everybody if you ain't missing coyotes
0:37:36.240,0:37:38.460
you ain't shooting at a lot of coyotes
0:37:37.619,0:37:40.440
so
0:37:38.460,0:37:42.359
um go ahead keep the keep the comments
0:37:40.440,0:37:43.980
coming but at the end of the day I know
0:37:42.359,0:37:46.200
when I'm shooting that 105 black
0:37:43.980,0:37:47.880
ammunition out of that six Creedmoor if
0:37:46.200,0:37:49.260
I hit that coyote he's probably dead
0:37:47.880,0:37:51.480
right there well that's one of the
0:37:49.260,0:37:54.240
reasons I want to make sure me and you
0:37:51.480,0:37:56.280
were doing this podcast Al because you
0:37:54.240,0:37:57.780
know I'd say arguably I mean I know
0:37:56.280,0:37:59.760
there's guys out there nobody's ever
0:37:57.780,0:38:01.560
heard of it they've seen thousands upon
0:37:59.760,0:38:04.200
thousands of coyotes and kill way more
0:38:01.560,0:38:07.200
chaos than we do yep there's I mean
0:38:04.200,0:38:09.420
four-time world champion and placed in
0:38:07.200,0:38:11.280
the top ten how many times in Worlds
0:38:09.420,0:38:13.380
you've made it yeah there was only three
0:38:11.280,0:38:15.359
times only three times we didn't place
0:38:13.380,0:38:17.460
in the top ten and then you know and
0:38:15.359,0:38:19.140
that was Bill count us rules we got to
0:38:17.460,0:38:20.579
remember now the world championship has
0:38:19.140,0:38:22.619
changed and it all happened when Bill
0:38:20.579,0:38:25.079
had his stroke and luckily Bill's still
0:38:22.619,0:38:27.359
with us I just posted a post on Facebook
0:38:25.079,0:38:30.480
we went down there and hunted that uh
0:38:27.359,0:38:32.520
Ute mountain with uh John Brown and it
0:38:30.480,0:38:34.140
was his son-in-law kind of took over
0:38:32.520,0:38:36.960
that and then he got pancreatic cancer
0:38:34.140,0:38:39.300
and died on us and and uh it's just been
0:38:36.960,0:38:41.460
a bummer but at the end of the day I
0:38:39.300,0:38:43.140
learned a lot of what I learned from
0:38:41.460,0:38:45.780
guys like Bill count as hunting the
0:38:43.140,0:38:47.880
world championship those uh guys can't
0:38:45.780,0:38:49.200
understand the grind and it's who puts
0:38:47.880,0:38:51.060
the most coyotes in the back of the
0:38:49.200,0:38:53.640
truck and at the end of the day when I
0:38:51.060,0:38:57.000
tell you that the 6mm Creed the 22 250
0:38:53.640,0:38:58.560
the 243 the 6'5 Creed and the two two
0:38:57.000,0:39:00.119
three are going to put more coyotes in
0:38:58.560,0:39:03.480
the back of your truck or more fur on
0:39:00.119,0:39:05.880
your shed they will those aren't and I
0:39:03.480,0:39:09.480
don't want to the 22 Creedmoor is
0:39:05.880,0:39:10.980
amazing the 6.5 PRC is my number one uh
0:39:09.480,0:39:14.400
if I go wolf hunting I'm going to shoot
0:39:10.980,0:39:17.000
a six five PRC the 22 parvo our buddy
0:39:14.400,0:39:20.339
Corey Groff has got me excited about a
0:39:17.000,0:39:23.220
22 parvo over there in Missouri
0:39:20.339,0:39:25.140
um you know and and if I go fox hunting
0:39:23.220,0:39:27.900
back East I'm going to shoot my 2200 and
0:39:25.140,0:39:29.099
the 17 hornets and and uh well that's a
0:39:27.900,0:39:31.079
reason you know I was talking about
0:39:29.099,0:39:32.880
earlier one make sure you were on this
0:39:31.079,0:39:36.420
podcast I mean you've literally done
0:39:32.880,0:39:38.579
this for a living for years and if you
0:39:36.420,0:39:41.460
it's a it's a total different ball game
0:39:38.579,0:39:43.140
when when you're talking about you have
0:39:41.460,0:39:44.700
got to kill coyotes you know what I mean
0:39:43.140,0:39:46.440
that's that's what we do there's there's
0:39:44.700,0:39:48.180
not much room for somebody like me or
0:39:46.440,0:39:50.579
you that if you can't kill coyotes right
0:39:48.180,0:39:52.980
so well I'm proud that I can say we put
0:39:50.579,0:39:54.960
a couple three girls through college and
0:39:52.980,0:39:56.480
we Built Homes and we did it hunting
0:39:54.960,0:39:59.220
coyotes and Elk but
0:39:56.480,0:40:00.480
you've got to you've got to depend on a
0:39:59.220,0:40:03.180
caliber you're not going to take a
0:40:00.480,0:40:04.740
subpar cartridge one that you know that
0:40:03.180,0:40:05.880
coyotes could get away from you're going
0:40:04.740,0:40:07.140
to take the best stuff out there
0:40:05.880,0:40:09.180
available right
0:40:07.140,0:40:11.520
and there's you know government Trappers
0:40:09.180,0:40:15.420
government guys they used to the 22 act
0:40:11.520,0:40:17.760
2020 22 250 actually improved in the the
0:40:15.420,0:40:20.579
you know there's lots of there's lots of
0:40:17.760,0:40:22.859
variations to get that 22 Creedmoor is
0:40:20.579,0:40:26.280
one way to get a lot more gas out of a
0:40:22.859,0:40:29.460
bullet to take that uh six Creed and
0:40:26.280,0:40:31.260
Necker down to 22. it's screaming and
0:40:29.460,0:40:33.119
there's just so many options out there
0:40:31.260,0:40:34.200
for the coyote Hunter at the end of the
0:40:33.119,0:40:36.540
day
0:40:34.200,0:40:39.540
show me some good Factory Hornady ammo
0:40:36.540,0:40:41.520
put it in that 6mm Creedmoor put it in
0:40:39.540,0:40:43.800
the six five Creedmoor put it in a 243
0:40:41.520,0:40:46.680
put it in a 22 250 put it that two two
0:40:43.800,0:40:48.780
three and you're gonna put coyotes and
0:40:46.680,0:40:54.180
we've all had the splashes we've all had
0:40:48.780,0:40:56.579
the bad shots and and sometimes I I just
0:40:54.180,0:40:59.640
think some some bullets I don't know
0:40:56.579,0:41:01.859
whether they just blow up in Flight it's
0:40:59.640,0:41:03.359
happened I know it has you know I've I
0:41:01.859,0:41:05.460
should have killed a coyote several
0:41:03.359,0:41:06.780
times it's just something happened not
0:41:05.460,0:41:08.640
everything's perfect this this world
0:41:06.780,0:41:10.859
ain't perfect but
0:41:08.640,0:41:12.839
um you you can Bank on them top five
0:41:10.859,0:41:15.180
calibers that that me and you have kind
0:41:12.839,0:41:17.940
of zeroed in on those people that do the
0:41:15.180,0:41:22.460
job and I'll just recap on number five
0:41:17.940,0:41:26.160
is it 223 number four 243 number three
0:41:22.460,0:41:29.160
6.5 Creedmoor the number two we've got
0:41:26.160,0:41:30.599
there is a 22 250 which sounds like
0:41:29.160,0:41:32.220
probably me and you both have probably
0:41:30.599,0:41:34.560
killed more coyotes with that caliber
0:41:32.220,0:41:37.020
than anything else than the rest yeah
0:41:34.560,0:41:39.359
and then number one the six millimeter
0:41:37.020,0:41:40.859
Creedmoor now Al do you have you talked
0:41:39.359,0:41:42.660
about a few other calibers there just a
0:41:40.859,0:41:44.880
little bit mention them do you have an
0:41:42.660,0:41:46.579
honorable mention that just say just
0:41:44.880,0:41:49.079
barely missed your top five
0:41:46.579,0:41:53.220
well the gun I've been wanting to build
0:41:49.079,0:41:55.079
is the 22 Creedmoor and I really think
0:41:53.220,0:41:56.760
from all the guys that I've been talking
0:41:55.079,0:41:59.880
to
0:41:56.760,0:42:02.520
um it should be right there the problem
0:41:59.880,0:42:04.800
is Hornady won't make Factory ammo for
0:42:02.520,0:42:06.960
it because it has pressure issues right
0:42:04.800,0:42:10.640
if you get to different temperatures and
0:42:06.960,0:42:13.680
and it it has the potential to go south
0:42:10.640,0:42:15.359
but I gotta take a guy like Kelly
0:42:13.680,0:42:17.640
Jackson some of these guys that have
0:42:15.359,0:42:19.560
shot coyotes longer than me even
0:42:17.640,0:42:21.300
when they tell you a caliber is the
0:42:19.560,0:42:23.280
hammer or Thor you probably ought to
0:42:21.300,0:42:24.839
listen in that 22 Creedmoor I think
0:42:23.280,0:42:27.000
would be the honorable Manchester I've
0:42:24.839,0:42:28.859
uh I just I wish they could standardize
0:42:27.000,0:42:31.440
I wish they would make Factory ammo for
0:42:28.859,0:42:34.680
it I'd have one I'd have one tomorrow
0:42:31.440,0:42:36.599
the 22 Creed actually is my honorable
0:42:34.680,0:42:38.220
mention as well I've actually got I had
0:42:36.599,0:42:40.980
the opportunity to shoot that caliber
0:42:38.220,0:42:42.839
for for about two years straight uh get
0:42:40.980,0:42:44.400
a lot of coyotes with it killed several
0:42:42.839,0:42:46.320
Bobcats with it it actually does really
0:42:44.400,0:42:49.320
well on Bobcats
0:42:46.320,0:42:51.240
um it uh I always call it that the
0:42:49.320,0:42:52.440
answer you know it's it's always like
0:42:51.240,0:42:54.960
we're always looking for something a
0:42:52.440,0:42:56.520
little bit more in a cat in a coyote
0:42:54.960,0:42:57.780
caliber you know I don't it's just I
0:42:56.520,0:43:00.540
think it's just the nature of the beast
0:42:57.780,0:43:03.780
but uh the 22 Creed kind of feels that
0:43:00.540,0:43:07.440
Gap I was shooting 75 and 80 grain
0:43:03.780,0:43:10.800
Hornady elds at about the same speed
0:43:07.440,0:43:14.460
that I was shooting a 55 grain 22 250.
0:43:10.800,0:43:17.280
so that uh that right there for itself
0:43:14.460,0:43:19.140
um right pretty much hold on Coyote's
0:43:17.280,0:43:21.480
called on top of the call you can hold
0:43:19.140,0:43:24.420
on hair from there all the way out to
0:43:21.480,0:43:26.579
you know around 400 yards and that's 400
0:43:24.420,0:43:28.619
yards that makes a lot of difference at
0:43:26.579,0:43:31.380
the end of the day and hey at the end of
0:43:28.619,0:43:33.960
the day how often do you shoot more than
0:43:31.380,0:43:36.180
150 200 yards of the coyote I ever shot
0:43:33.960,0:43:38.280
it really is probably less than 100
0:43:36.180,0:43:40.020
yards I about guarantee it at the end of
0:43:38.280,0:43:42.359
the year no I mean if you really dissect
0:43:40.020,0:43:44.220
it even out here in the west yes we can
0:43:42.359,0:43:47.400
stretch the riflings yes I've shot one
0:43:44.220,0:43:48.540
at 680 you know on video in in New
0:43:47.400,0:43:50.520
Mexico
0:43:48.540,0:43:52.619
um that's my longest on video
0:43:50.520,0:43:54.599
um I've tried a couple Grinders and just
0:43:52.619,0:43:57.300
just been really close
0:43:54.599,0:43:58.920
but at the end of the day most of the
0:43:57.300,0:44:02.819
coyotes if they're coming to the fox Pro
0:43:58.920,0:44:04.440
you're talking a hundred you know 50 if
0:44:02.819,0:44:06.839
I've got the call at 30 yards the
0:44:04.440,0:44:09.300
Coyote's going to be at 50 to 150 yards
0:44:06.839,0:44:12.960
and every caliber we've mentioned the
0:44:09.300,0:44:14.819
223 is dead on at 100 if I and and I
0:44:12.960,0:44:16.140
don't know how you sight in John and I
0:44:14.819,0:44:19.140
guess it's something we can mention on
0:44:16.140,0:44:21.599
this podcast is I cite every one of my
0:44:19.140,0:44:23.220
guns one inch high at a hundred yep now
0:44:21.599,0:44:25.079
that doesn't always match up with the
0:44:23.220,0:44:27.180
box and I love that Hornady puts that
0:44:25.079,0:44:29.339
you know if you sight in 1.2 inches high
0:44:27.180,0:44:31.460
at 100 you're dead at two and then the
0:44:29.339,0:44:34.800
three or four inches at you know
0:44:31.460,0:44:37.819
300 and but if I do one inch high at 100
0:44:34.800,0:44:40.920
and I've always done it me and garve
0:44:37.819,0:44:44.280
that's just been where we cited our two
0:44:40.920,0:44:46.140
two threes our 22 250s our 243s our 6mm
0:44:44.280,0:44:49.020
creedmores I'm one inch high at 100.
0:44:46.140,0:44:51.599
that always puts me dead at two
0:44:49.020,0:44:54.780
and then I'm all those calibers I'm only
0:44:51.599,0:44:55.740
talking three or three to four inches at
0:44:54.780,0:44:59.040
the
0:44:55.740,0:45:02.700
300 right and so that's hold on hair to
0:44:59.040,0:45:04.579
300. and then four and five you just
0:45:02.700,0:45:07.980
each caliber is a little bit different
0:45:04.579,0:45:10.560
but at the end of the day everything I'm
0:45:07.980,0:45:13.800
shooting at and it amazes me how I can't
0:45:10.560,0:45:15.480
judge distance because I'm helping how
0:45:13.800,0:45:16.920
many times have you helped your 22 250
0:45:15.480,0:45:19.819
and you shoot right over the damn thing
0:45:16.920,0:45:22.140
and it's that's the reason
0:45:19.819,0:45:24.960
why it could save you a little bit every
0:45:22.140,0:45:27.480
once in a while well you think but I'm
0:45:24.960,0:45:30.420
here I am and like I told you if I don't
0:45:27.480,0:45:33.420
get excited if it if it's still it is so
0:45:30.420,0:45:35.579
thrilling to watch a coyote come to the
0:45:33.420,0:45:38.280
call you fooled him you you know we
0:45:35.579,0:45:39.660
spend we as human beings only get to me
0:45:38.280,0:45:41.000
and you were fortunate we get to spend a
0:45:39.660,0:45:43.920
few more days than the average guy
0:45:41.000,0:45:45.240
pursuing them but um we go out there for
0:45:43.920,0:45:46.560
a few days a year and try and take the
0:45:45.240,0:45:49.260
hides from these animals that are out
0:45:46.560,0:45:51.660
there 365 days a year some of these
0:45:49.260,0:45:53.880
coyotes are six seven eight years old
0:45:51.660,0:45:55.680
they've been there done it and when you
0:45:53.880,0:45:57.540
call them in you want to know that
0:45:55.680,0:45:59.220
you've got what it takes to put that
0:45:57.540,0:46:02.099
animal on the ground and and maybe
0:45:59.220,0:46:03.599
Harvest that hide or or just the thrill
0:46:02.099,0:46:05.220
and taking a picture with that animal
0:46:03.599,0:46:06.839
that's been eating your neighbor's goats
0:46:05.220,0:46:08.520
or whatever you know it doesn't matter
0:46:06.839,0:46:10.200
that's the other thing we can get into
0:46:08.520,0:46:12.200
semantics of why we do coyote hunting
0:46:10.200,0:46:15.180
but it's fun
0:46:12.200,0:46:16.680
at Foxboro that's the hardest thing is
0:46:15.180,0:46:18.180
the hardest thing is getting on these
0:46:16.680,0:46:20.280
coyotes and calling them up you know the
0:46:18.180,0:46:22.740
easy part shooting them yeah so yeah
0:46:20.280,0:46:25.079
know who Sanson taking a subpar caliber
0:46:22.740,0:46:27.359
to finish off the easiest part of the
0:46:25.079,0:46:28.800
hunt and uh watch a coyote run off with
0:46:27.359,0:46:30.480
a bullet stuck in it you know might as
0:46:28.800,0:46:32.700
well shoot something good
0:46:30.480,0:46:36.839
um yeah I think it's something that is
0:46:32.700,0:46:38.460
probably worth uh mentioning Al you know
0:46:36.839,0:46:41.040
it doesn't matter which caliber
0:46:38.460,0:46:43.380
cartridge you hunt with you you're not
0:46:41.040,0:46:45.599
connecting with your shots it doesn't
0:46:43.380,0:46:47.400
much matter what now let's talk a little
0:46:45.599,0:46:50.160
bit about the importance of of
0:46:47.400,0:46:52.260
practicing with your hunting setup at
0:46:50.160,0:46:53.760
the range and practicing from like say
0:46:52.260,0:46:55.980
hunting positions you mentioned earlier
0:46:53.760,0:46:58.500
about taking a 223s and you and Garf
0:46:55.980,0:47:00.599
would shoot thousands of rounds in the
0:46:58.500,0:47:02.400
summer for practice and stuff tell us
0:47:00.599,0:47:05.460
the importance of that
0:47:02.400,0:47:07.619
well I mean we're four-time World Champs
0:47:05.460,0:47:09.900
we should be six or seven because a few
0:47:07.619,0:47:12.180
things went wrong but honestly the one
0:47:09.900,0:47:13.680
year we killed 13 coyotes the team that
0:47:12.180,0:47:15.900
beat us checked in 10 minutes ahead of
0:47:13.680,0:47:17.640
us with 13. I missed seven coyotes that
0:47:15.900,0:47:20.099
year oh man
0:47:17.640,0:47:22.339
garve missed uh three
0:47:20.099,0:47:25.920
so we should have had uh 10 or 11
0:47:22.339,0:47:27.660
coyotes more that year and actually it
0:47:25.920,0:47:30.480
was the year Les Johnson won the world
0:47:27.660,0:47:32.880
uh we finished fourth with 18 coyotes
0:47:30.480,0:47:34.980
the last one was 20. yeah now I'm sure
0:47:32.880,0:47:36.540
Les missed some coyotes too you know if
0:47:34.980,0:47:38.880
you asked him he probably missed three
0:47:36.540,0:47:43.200
or four or five coyotes that day but we
0:47:38.880,0:47:47.220
should have come in with uh 39 coyotes
0:47:43.200,0:47:51.900
in that contest had we shot clean and uh
0:47:47.220,0:47:55.619
or 29 coyotes we only had 18 and uh we
0:47:51.900,0:47:57.359
should have beat him and so that loss in
0:47:55.619,0:48:00.359
2000
0:47:57.359,0:48:03.119
um really put us on a on a trajectory to
0:48:00.359,0:48:05.099
practice more with our guns right and
0:48:03.119,0:48:06.859
that's when we started shooting and you
0:48:05.099,0:48:11.700
know we went from the
0:48:06.859,0:48:15.000
uh uh the Remington 788 to the HK uh
0:48:11.700,0:48:17.040
630s it's a 223 semi-automatic gun that
0:48:15.000,0:48:18.960
looks like a hunting rifle it doesn't
0:48:17.040,0:48:21.780
look like anything different and that's
0:48:18.960,0:48:24.960
semi-automatic gun that is why I know we
0:48:21.780,0:48:27.240
won that uh we won in 97 then we won an
0:48:24.960,0:48:29.760
0708 is because we were shooting a
0:48:27.240,0:48:31.440
thousand rounds 2 000 rounds of Summer
0:48:29.760,0:48:35.760
we were shooting those semi-automatic
0:48:31.440,0:48:39.300
guns and we put 11 coyotes in the truck
0:48:35.760,0:48:41.400
by 10 a.m one day nice for that 2007
0:48:39.300,0:48:42.420
World Championship and I shot three
0:48:41.400,0:48:44.640
doubles
0:48:42.420,0:48:46.859
and the doubles were two coyotes coming
0:48:44.640,0:48:49.079
in I would shoot the female first every
0:48:46.859,0:48:51.359
time I'd shoot the smaller coyote
0:48:49.079,0:48:53.339
and then as that bolt would cycle I was
0:48:51.359,0:48:55.140
on the mail before he'd even spin I
0:48:53.339,0:48:57.720
would lay him I was tipping coyotes
0:48:55.140,0:48:59.220
right side by side awesome before they
0:48:57.720,0:49:02.640
could even move and it was the
0:48:59.220,0:49:05.640
confidence when you shoot a gun so much
0:49:02.640,0:49:08.040
that it is becomes an extension of you
0:49:05.640,0:49:11.040
it doesn't matter the caliber fear the
0:49:08.040,0:49:12.240
man with one gun and uh at the end of
0:49:11.040,0:49:14.640
the day
0:49:12.240,0:49:16.200
that's what I think is most important is
0:49:14.640,0:49:17.940
gaining confidence so it doesn't matter
0:49:16.200,0:49:20.400
how you cite your gun and you can site
0:49:17.940,0:49:22.200
your gun in at uh
0:49:20.400,0:49:24.420
at uh
0:49:22.200,0:49:26.819
a zero to you know dead on at a hundred
0:49:24.420,0:49:28.980
as long as you know where that gun's
0:49:26.819,0:49:31.020
gonna hit at 200 300. like we said most
0:49:28.980,0:49:31.859
shots are less than that
0:49:31.020,0:49:34.740
um
0:49:31.859,0:49:36.180
and the guys that practice more I think
0:49:34.740,0:49:39.240
you know
0:49:36.180,0:49:41.579
I just think the guys that so if you're
0:49:39.240,0:49:43.079
shooting off your bipod if you got your
0:49:41.579,0:49:45.300
swaggers under that gun and you're
0:49:43.079,0:49:47.099
shooting from your chair while you don't
0:49:45.300,0:49:49.020
shoot from a bench every time exactly
0:49:47.099,0:49:50.339
yes you need to shoot from the bench to
0:49:49.020,0:49:52.700
make sure the gun and the load is
0:49:50.339,0:49:55.260
accurate right that's first and foremost
0:49:52.700,0:49:56.640
make sure it's repeating make sure those
0:49:55.260,0:49:58.380
bullets are touching now you're going to
0:49:56.640,0:50:00.720
have flyers and not every bullet's the
0:49:58.380,0:50:03.599
same and there is there is you know
0:50:00.720,0:50:05.160
those those kind of factors but shoot
0:50:03.599,0:50:07.980
from a bench make sure the gun's
0:50:05.160,0:50:09.359
accurate then shoot your setup that
0:50:07.980,0:50:11.819
you're going to be on the mountain with
0:50:09.359,0:50:13.980
on the out in that field
0:50:11.819,0:50:16.859
you know prop yourself up against the
0:50:13.980,0:50:20.099
tire a fence whatever put that Target at
0:50:16.859,0:50:22.020
100 put a Target at 200 and I'm that
0:50:20.099,0:50:23.700
Atlas Steel they make an awesome coyote
0:50:22.020,0:50:28.280
Target I've got a couple I've got four
0:50:23.700,0:50:33.119
Atlas uh coyote cutouts AR 550 you know
0:50:28.280,0:50:35.280
that uh steel and man
0:50:33.119,0:50:37.440
I just have so much confidence and
0:50:35.280,0:50:40.020
between me you and the fence post every
0:50:37.440,0:50:42.720
time the one time I didn't go shoot a
0:50:40.020,0:50:44.339
gun before a shoot was actually with me
0:50:42.720,0:50:47.520
and Tom Austin going to northern Idaho
0:50:44.339,0:50:49.140
or Southern Idaho northern Utah just a
0:50:47.520,0:50:51.300
month and a half ago
0:50:49.140,0:50:54.000
I didn't shoot my gun and I dropped it
0:50:51.300,0:50:55.559
out of the truck that hunt before the
0:50:54.000,0:50:57.000
last thing I did was drop my gun out of
0:50:55.559,0:50:59.160
the truck when I got home
0:50:57.000,0:51:01.200
I didn't go check that gun and it was
0:50:59.160,0:51:03.119
four to six inches left and that I
0:51:01.200,0:51:06.540
missed two coyotes on video and then had
0:51:03.119,0:51:09.059
to shoot my gun and uh in the field and
0:51:06.540,0:51:12.480
realized it was off moved it back and uh
0:51:09.059,0:51:14.280
you know I like I have dropped a gun if
0:51:12.480,0:51:15.960
we really talk about it I have dropped
0:51:14.280,0:51:18.599
them rugers out of the truck a thousand
0:51:15.960,0:51:21.480
times right and it's the one time I
0:51:18.599,0:51:24.480
didn't check it no it I'm hard on stuff
0:51:21.480,0:51:26.300
John and that's why I really I really
0:51:24.480,0:51:30.000
believe in the in the rugers and the
0:51:26.300,0:51:31.940
Hornady and the Foxpro because if if it
0:51:30.000,0:51:34.579
holds up to the abuse
0:51:31.940,0:51:37.319
it's going all up for anybody
0:51:34.579,0:51:38.339
yeah no it's it's going to be good and
0:51:37.319,0:51:40.920
and uh
0:51:38.339,0:51:42.660
so practice makes perfect yeah I think
0:51:40.920,0:51:44.760
that's it now is the time especially
0:51:42.660,0:51:46.079
practice in the field like just from
0:51:44.760,0:51:47.579
hunting positions because that's when
0:51:46.079,0:51:49.500
you find like you said
0:51:47.579,0:51:51.300
shoot from a bench and get you some
0:51:49.500,0:51:52.920
Trigger Time in you know you've got to
0:51:51.300,0:51:55.440
get firm zero but when you start
0:51:52.920,0:51:57.540
practicing from hunting positions that's
0:51:55.440,0:52:00.000
when you find out what you are capable
0:51:57.540,0:52:02.040
of and you uh it really pays off in the
0:52:00.000,0:52:05.040
long run in the field it really does
0:52:02.040,0:52:08.040
yep and and hey it's been an adjustment
0:52:05.040,0:52:12.900
too I went from uh shooting the I've
0:52:08.040,0:52:15.240
shot the same pod for about 12 years and
0:52:12.900,0:52:17.760
then Swagger come on board and it has
0:52:15.240,0:52:20.579
been a little bit of a curve for me to
0:52:17.760,0:52:23.400
get used to the swaggers but at the end
0:52:20.579,0:52:24.720
of the day they're great and um and
0:52:23.400,0:52:27.000
that's the other thing that I really
0:52:24.720,0:52:30.059
think a guy I don't think a lot of guys
0:52:27.000,0:52:32.760
understand is we really need to have a
0:52:30.059,0:52:36.420
great bipod system on a gun you can't
0:52:32.760,0:52:39.240
have a half-assed pod sticks are okay
0:52:36.420,0:52:40.800
um the old Harris I mean they had their
0:52:39.240,0:52:42.359
they had their moments I used to have to
0:52:40.800,0:52:44.760
take and modify the Harris to get them
0:52:42.359,0:52:47.839
tall enough for me you know but that was
0:52:44.760,0:52:51.359
the only bipod available back in in
0:52:47.839,0:52:52.920
1997 was a Harris bipod now there's so
0:52:51.359,0:52:55.859
many better options out there and that
0:52:52.920,0:52:58.020
Swagger makes a couple that qd42 is a
0:52:55.859,0:53:00.000
pretty fine shooting system and it goes
0:52:58.020,0:53:02.460
all the way up to 72 inches so you got
0:53:00.000,0:53:05.579
plenty of heights with some swaggers
0:53:02.460,0:53:07.140
yep and I really I can't emphasize how
0:53:05.579,0:53:09.180
important that is I don't care what gun
0:53:07.140,0:53:12.000
you shoot what ammo you shoot what
0:53:09.180,0:53:13.619
caliber you shoot you've got to have
0:53:12.000,0:53:15.900
some stability on that gun while you're
0:53:13.619,0:53:17.819
coyote hunting with the ability when
0:53:15.900,0:53:20.520
that coyote does not do what he you
0:53:17.819,0:53:23.400
anticipating to do that you can swivel
0:53:20.520,0:53:26.760
and you can shoot that coyote when he's
0:53:23.400,0:53:28.319
leading or hauling ass by yet or you
0:53:26.760,0:53:30.180
know you've got to have some options
0:53:28.319,0:53:32.040
there as we talk about these fine
0:53:30.180,0:53:34.619
calibers you're only as good as your
0:53:32.040,0:53:36.059
support let me ask you I got one more
0:53:34.619,0:53:37.559
question for you before we hang it up
0:53:36.059,0:53:39.720
we're about we're pretty much the end of
0:53:37.559,0:53:41.760
this podcast but uh I got one more thing
0:53:39.720,0:53:45.420
I was wanting to ask you what what would
0:53:41.760,0:53:47.339
you pick as the worst coyote caliber I'm
0:53:45.420,0:53:49.920
talking about the caliber that makes you
0:53:47.339,0:53:51.900
absolutely cringe when you see it
0:53:49.920,0:53:53.339
discussed or you show up on a hunt with
0:53:51.900,0:53:56.220
somebody and they pull it out their gun
0:53:53.339,0:53:59.220
case and then all that six that's six
0:53:56.220,0:54:01.859
five Grendel I the the six Arc and the
0:53:59.220,0:54:03.839
six Grendel I think is way better than
0:54:01.859,0:54:05.640
the 6'5
0:54:03.839,0:54:09.059
um you know that six Arc is basically
0:54:05.640,0:54:10.800
just a uh uh six five Grendel case neck
0:54:09.059,0:54:13.619
down to six millimeter that's six Arc
0:54:10.800,0:54:15.359
that advanced rifle cartridge
0:54:13.619,0:54:17.339
um I wouldn't hesitate to shoot Kayaks
0:54:15.359,0:54:20.460
with that six Arc or a six
0:54:17.339,0:54:22.980
a Grendel that's six five I mean
0:54:20.460,0:54:26.520
literally I have seen
0:54:22.980,0:54:30.300
10 15 coyotes just run away from us
0:54:26.520,0:54:31.920
spinning bleeding and it didn't cost us
0:54:30.300,0:54:33.059
a world championship the one year we
0:54:31.920,0:54:35.339
still won
0:54:33.059,0:54:37.680
but we only showed up with 18 coyotes
0:54:35.339,0:54:40.020
and Garvin Garvin hit three coyotes on
0:54:37.680,0:54:43.020
that that hunt perfect behind the front
0:54:40.020,0:54:45.420
shoulder at distance over 200 yards all
0:54:43.020,0:54:46.619
three of them and we never picked up one
0:54:45.420,0:54:48.900
of those coyotes we couldn't find them
0:54:46.619,0:54:52.500
they were bleeding and we could there
0:54:48.900,0:54:55.380
was no snow and uh we were on the on the
0:54:52.500,0:54:57.420
Navajo Nation out there and uh just that
0:54:55.380,0:55:00.119
terrain is not conducive to blood
0:54:57.420,0:55:01.500
trailing right and and uh we just
0:55:00.119,0:55:04.980
couldn't find those coyotes and that was
0:55:01.500,0:55:08.460
it that was I mean we we won that year
0:55:04.980,0:55:11.280
but uh it cost us the six five Grendel
0:55:08.460,0:55:13.380
and I just hate if I wanted to bang
0:55:11.280,0:55:16.079
steel that would be my number one
0:55:13.380,0:55:17.700
cartridge it really would I I could I've
0:55:16.079,0:55:20.220
never had so much confidence in a gun in
0:55:17.700,0:55:22.559
my life from zero to 500 yards I could
0:55:20.220,0:55:24.780
bang little tiny six inch steel targets
0:55:22.559,0:55:26.460
all day long right and I could bang
0:55:24.780,0:55:28.680
Coyotes out to that distance but they
0:55:26.460,0:55:30.240
just don't die without with that bullet
0:55:28.680,0:55:32.520
and I know guys have gone to the 90
0:55:30.240,0:55:34.200
grain bullets and they they say it's the
0:55:32.520,0:55:37.319
bullet combination and I just think it's
0:55:34.200,0:55:40.380
a speed I want more powder
0:55:37.319,0:55:44.460
more speed more bullet and that's why
0:55:40.380,0:55:46.859
the 243 the 6'5 Creedmoor the 22-250 and
0:55:44.460,0:55:49.020
the 6mm Creedmoor I'll put it ahead and
0:55:46.859,0:55:52.440
then that six five Grendel just makes me
0:55:49.020,0:55:53.880
cringe brother well that that I can you
0:55:52.440,0:55:55.380
know I've not been around at some but
0:55:53.880,0:55:57.720
I've heard some horror stories I do know
0:55:55.380,0:55:59.700
some guys that really like it but uh I I
0:55:57.720,0:56:02.520
don't know if I'd ever see myself shoot
0:55:59.700,0:56:05.400
one but highly accurate it'll it'll
0:56:02.520,0:56:07.079
shoot all day right and I've you know I
0:56:05.400,0:56:09.119
some of the pig hunters got really high
0:56:07.079,0:56:11.460
on them and they're you know I think
0:56:09.119,0:56:14.400
it'd be great for pigs from zero to 200
0:56:11.460,0:56:16.020
yards I bet it Just Smokes pigs but man
0:56:14.400,0:56:18.300
when you start changing distance and
0:56:16.020,0:56:21.359
stuff it's just it's that bullet speed
0:56:18.300,0:56:24.960
combination that uh I just think the 6mm
0:56:21.359,0:56:28.020
Creedmoor has an advantage over that you
0:56:24.960,0:56:30.540
know grendels and hey for me you know
0:56:28.020,0:56:31.740
what I consider the worst cartridge I
0:56:30.540,0:56:33.839
actually want to throw a bunch of them
0:56:31.740,0:56:36.119
in there uh just because I see it every
0:56:33.839,0:56:37.680
once while you see it talked about
0:56:36.119,0:56:39.359
um every once while you might think new
0:56:37.680,0:56:42.660
Hunter out and they that's what they've
0:56:39.359,0:56:44.660
got and it's anything it's Rimfire
0:56:42.660,0:56:44.660
um
0:56:45.440,0:56:50.040
just stay away from that stuff but yes
0:56:48.000,0:56:51.900
they will kill coyotes I've killed
0:56:50.040,0:56:54.059
coyote Twitter before in the past yeah
0:56:51.900,0:56:56.900
but it's not what I was actually you
0:56:54.059,0:56:59.819
know it's just outside
0:56:56.900,0:57:01.559
exactly you know you can you can kill
0:56:59.819,0:57:04.260
them with anything but at the end of the
0:57:01.559,0:57:06.839
day we're talking the cartridges that
0:57:04.260,0:57:08.880
the guys you know the guys that really
0:57:06.839,0:57:11.579
do this the contest callers the the
0:57:08.880,0:57:13.619
video guys I know everybody you can Bank
0:57:11.579,0:57:15.900
on our top five and and John Collins
0:57:13.619,0:57:19.500
it's been a it's been awesome
0:57:15.900,0:57:22.079
yep just to uh chew the fat with you on
0:57:19.500,0:57:23.640
this podcast been a great podcast it's
0:57:22.079,0:57:26.040
been a fun one I like talking about all
0:57:23.640,0:57:27.960
these calibers and uh you know just to
0:57:26.040,0:57:32.119
recap them one more time number five was
0:57:27.960,0:57:36.480
223 number four 243 number three 6.5
0:57:32.119,0:57:39.359
Creedmoor number two 22 250 number one
0:57:36.480,0:57:41.040
the six millimeter Creedmoor you got
0:57:39.359,0:57:42.540
anything else you'd like to say out uh
0:57:41.040,0:57:44.400
before we get off here just like you
0:57:42.540,0:57:45.839
said earlier if if we didn't mention
0:57:44.400,0:57:48.000
your caliber
0:57:45.839,0:57:50.880
um Shoot Straight shoot more often get
0:57:48.000,0:57:52.140
out there and do it more and uh at the
0:57:50.880,0:57:55.079
end of the day we're all rolling the
0:57:52.140,0:57:56.760
same boat uh if there's one common theme
0:57:55.079,0:57:58.380
I think we all need it doesn't matter
0:57:56.760,0:58:00.720
whether you're a fur Hunter whether you
0:57:58.380,0:58:02.220
hunt chaos 365 days a year like me and
0:58:00.720,0:58:03.780
John do we're all rolling the same boat
0:58:02.220,0:58:05.640
remember that when you're out in the
0:58:03.780,0:58:07.859
field be courteous be kind
0:58:05.640,0:58:09.119
stay with them and we're Foxboro we do
0:58:07.859,0:58:11.040
it right we do it year round and we're
0:58:09.119,0:58:12.960
glad you came to this podcast with me
0:58:11.040,0:58:14.940
and John Collins it's been awesome thank
0:58:12.960,0:58:16.440
you John yes sir couldn't have said it
0:58:14.940,0:58:18.300
any better myself I we hope everyone
0:58:16.440,0:58:20.040
enjoyed this episode and we hope you
0:58:18.300,0:58:22.339
join us again right here on the Foxpro
0:58:20.040,0:58:22.339
podcast