In this episode, Jon Collins and Tory Cook discuss June Coyote Calling
welcome to the FoxPro podcast brought to you by Fox Pro Game Calls we're back with another episode of the FoxPro podcast today we're going to cover calling the month of June we're now in the denning season and hunters can find success by taking advantage of a coyote's territorial and paternal instincts we've got Tory Cook of MFK Game Calls on the line how's it going Tori oh pretty good how about you going going pretty good it uh uh we got a little weather that we're dealing with and and I'm kind of I'm chomping at the bit because it's we're creeping up on a time where I kind of get back in and start making coyote stands uh when this comes out this is going to be pretty much right there at the first part of June and that's when I usually start hitting them so I'm uh excited to do this podcast covering coyote calling the month of month of June um I'm already kind of chomping at the bit i've been thinking about trying to go ahead and start maybe locating and doing a little bit of scouting but I'm I'm ready to I'm ready to get back after them myself yeah well you've been hard after them turkeys so it's time to give him a break and get back on the coats anyway yeah yeah you know turkey season only comes once a year so I definitely definitely spend every second I can doing it but but towards the end of the season I'm admittedly I'm I'm looking forward to to doing something else and of course coyotes are next on the list but uh how your how your turkey season go it was pretty good had a bunch of turkeys i I've had seasons where they gobbled better but uh had a had a pretty good season i mean I was able to had enough turkeys to find some about every time I went so it was pretty good but I'm I'm like you i'm ready to swap over to the to the cows i took some kids and stuff like that turkey hunting and and had probably the best hunts I had gobbling and just all the way around were with them kids my my hunts were more fear a gobbler or two and figure out where that thing is at and get in there pretty close to him and eventually get him get him killed you know that was more they're not as fun you know a little more slipping and waiting and that type deal right right well uh do you think um you hear a lot of people talking about turkey numbers what does it look like down there in your part of the world are they is it up down holding steady or what does it look like turkey numbers in the areas that I hunt are up you know on my own ground and a as a whole just what I see driving around on the highways stuff like that I would say that turkey numbers are definitely up that's great in this in this now you'll hear somebody else say the exact opposite total opposite total opposite pretty local but but going back ain't nothing like it was in the 90s it put took a big decline but I mean I had probably four years ago on this same property that I'm hunting now or the same area that I'm hunting I could probably find five or six goblin turkeys before season when they were gobbling good you know early and this year on just one small part of that uh there was 19 different gobblers gobbling so definitely an increase and see a lot more i mean I can ride around any any of them old rainy days you know when they'll come out in fields and gravel roads and stuff like that i can ride around and it's no problem to see turkeys you rewind five six years ago there wasn't they were pretty scarce yeah must have something to do with all them coyotes you've been killing well I think it helps well that's one thing we're going to talk about on this podcast going to kind of uh give everybody an idea what the coyotes are doing uh during this June time frame and what you can do to be more successful maybe you can take some pressure off your local wild turkeys but uh the first thing I'd like to ask you Tori is about the the coyote pups themselves you know we've you know every coyote out there that that was bred should have done had their pups uh so that's my question is how old on average are are our pups at this point of the year you know on average across the country i think on average you've got meaning the bulk of them are probably in that six week old range that would that would cover the bulk of them uh I think the bulk of the pups are born during the month of April and that covers the the most of it but of course there are some that were born in March and those pups are a little older than that and then I had three litters for whatever reason this year part of it was probably uh newer mothers uh first first litter of pups and stuff like that but some of them some of them wasn't and anyway April 25th was the first litter that I was aware of born and then I had a litter that was born on May 1st and then another litter on May 6th so those pups on May 6 those are your late litters but you know there those pups are only what's today today's what is today whatever today is i don't maybe yeah today today's the 16th now this podcast doesn't come out come out on the 16th but uh yeah today's the 16th and this podcast should come out I don't know the 27th i don't know i don't have a calendar in front of me trying to do all this in my head but uh but yeah so that is it sounds late to me you know for those coyotes to be born on up into May like that yeah it's uh but I mean with this podcast when it by the time this podcast hits yes all your pups are going to be born and most of them should be either already out of the den and in pup areas or even your lateborn pups should be breaking ground uh when this podcast comes out so for the people listening that would be the that would be the best answer is you got the bulk of your coats 99% of them ought to be out of the dens right right well yeah that'll be time this podcast comes out like if you said like today you know on average coyote should be about six weeks of age time this podcast comes out here right here at the 1 of June it'd be like eight weeks of age yep yeah so those those are weaning you know those brooks will be weaning because they're going to start coming out of the ground about three weeks at the earliest they'll start sticking their head out of the den they're still using the den by four weeks of age they're coming out of the den and fooling around on a regular basis and then every day after that they just start using the den less and less bedding on top of the ground and then before long there is no more den they're not using the hole at all and they're beding on top of the ground and a in a lot of cases they they move from that area you know so there be the the whole den and where the den is may not even be in the area that those pups are you there may not be a hole or a d site in the puparing area is there is there any way to tell like when mom and dad decide to move their litter of pups is there is there any determining factor uh that comes into play uh that dictates how far they move them i mean can they do they generally move them a great great great distance or is it more of a short distance right there in that same little little area i' I've seen some of that both ways and I don't know that there's a that there's a you know a hard answer for it because I've seen them you know den and then the pup rearing area and the den area are all one and the same they den right there and they raise the pups right there and they don't move at all you know it just the den area just kind of expands as the pups get older and then I've seen other cases where they will move them a short distance for whatever reason maybe the the resources i'm assuming it's probably resource related in most instances where it's just a better spot and they like it better and pressure you know of course if you're putting hunting pressure on them that could that could make them move immediately even if they didn't want to move uh for any other reason and then I've also seen them you'll go in you'll locate coats you know they're there you put no pressure on them and then all of a sudden that group of coats that was there just disappears and you can't hear them from that spot because they've moved you know a mile plus away for whatever reason and I I think that that's probably for sure resource related to where there's just something about the den spot that is not whether it be food resources water combination of the two cover you know yeah going from kind of like turkey pulse you know how turkey poles will baby turkeys where a turkey nest and the cover that they nest in is not necessarily and a lot of times completely different than what they uh they brood in so I think sometimes you have places where coats will get in very secretive extremely thick secluded type den areas and then when those pups are out moving around maybe that's not that suited for the size of them and the way the cover lays out and I can't I can't say that that's exactly what's going on it's hard to pinpoint it yeah yeah so I think they'll move them to a spot that's more suited for those those pups that are above ground and doing a little bit of fooling around you know they're kind of scavenging so well besid besides for like the pups themselves what's like this time of year uh what does the rest of the family group look like this time of year or uh you know all the individual members of that family group like the mom and dad the helpers and what you know that type of stuff what are what are they actively doing at this point say first of June and throughout June what's that kind of look what's that dynamic kind of look like I think the easiest way to explain it and I've referred to it before is if you look at that den area and which like we said earlier a lot of the pups are are out of the den now but a lot of them are still right there close to it some of them may still be using it to for cover but those adults whether it be the the mother the father or the uh the helpers they kind of act as satellites around that den area and then the pup rearing area is the same and the only thing that that changes when I watch these coats is you see those satellites get if if the den area or the pup rear area either one if that's the center then those adults act as satellites around that center and as those pups age their distance those satellites just get a little bit more range from the center point okay so they seem to expand their range from the pups and they seem to stay away from the pups longer even the mother co so once they come out of that den at 3 weeks old some people may have seen me doing some of the aging stuff on the pups so at 3 weeks old that's cool stuff too you need to do more of that well I'm I'm getting ready to do another one because some of the pups that I was the pups that I was doing that age stuff on are getting it's time to do another uh tip on those but for this podcast when a pup gets its teeth in I mean just think how razor sharp those teeth are it's no wonder that when they get those teeth by three weeks old those teeth are in pretty good so at about mama mama don't want no part of that or less right that's right she starts feeding them they come out of the den and then she starts feeding them roughly twice a day usually morning and evening and those I think you know those sharp teeth are an indicator just think about them trying to nurse with those sharp teeth she doesn't let them do much of it so they start kind of weaning at that time frame and she starts leaving them some so she still when they get to about 3 weeks old she'll start spending just a little bit of time and especially about four weeks she starts spending a little time away from them and they start eating this is the kicker to all of that they start eating regurgitated food so that's when your helper coats the the daddy coat that's when their role starts their role becomes bigger so now they're not just prior to that they're kind of acting as protectors around the den and of course they're bringing he'll bring food back leave it outside the den that female will go get it but once you get to this June time frame they're all starting to play an active role in catching stuff helping digests and then bringing it back and and regurgitating that food to the pups and so for obvious reasons as those pups grow and they get a little more range the adults get a little more range and those satellites get farther and farther out one one they're having to find food so they may have to cover more ground they're having to feed the pups more as they age so you can kind of see the progression of how that that satellite circle around the pups begins to expand and that's something you keep in mind when you go in there to make a stand on goats depending on what time of the year it is gives you an idea of of distance you want to be from that center point whether it be the den site or the puper area right well it's I think it's I've always thought that it's so cool how the entire family group including dad you know mom of course is going to be taking care of the pups but you got the dad and if there's any helper coyotes around they're all actively helping take care of that litter of pups i think that's pretty pretty cool i'll tell you something pretty neat that relates to that that I I was able to video a good bit of here the last month or so when those pups started being born so that first litter was born April 25th i started documenting that process and was videoing a lot of it and one thing that I paid attention to that female was in the hole with the pups and I've done two or three tests we could do a and probably need to do a whole another podcast on this because it'll get us sidetracked but uh that female was in the den there were some interesting things I learned then with her but what I thought was pretty neat was that male the daddy of those pups he was staying fairly tight to that den and and even though they're comfortable with me watching them and all that kind of stuff he wasn't very comfortable with me being very close to that den and he would follow me didn't matter where I went and what I noticed was when I was tight to that den he would be between me and where the den was at watching me he lay down i videoed all this he would keep his eye on me whatever I was doing and he stayed between me and the den as I got more distance away from that den site he would follow me until I until I got to like a certain point that he was comfortable that I was a far enough distance away and then he would go back towards the den he wouldn't continue to follow me around and there was a there was pretty much a radius around that and it was about that three 400 yard range once I would get about three 400 yards away from the den he would lose interest yeah he would lose interest in me so that that gives you I mean we've talked about it a lot before but that gives you a little insight into all right I know there's coyotes here but why wouldn't they come just think you're been inside that bubble need to be inside that bubble yeah it's pretty cool he would lose when when he was in range of me a lot of times he would have his hair you could tell he was agitated you know he would huff all this is on video too I'll share it at some point but he would huff and raise his hackles up it's not stuff you typically hear in the woods it's real low just he would just a little guttural huff that he was doing a lot of the times while he was watching me and he would lay down keep his a lot of times he'd get in a thick spot and he'd watch me and uh then if I got far enough away he completely lose interest turn around head back towards that den area i think I think that gives a a perfect opportunity to go ahead and go right into one of the the talking points uh that I wanted to cover on this podcast you heard me say earlier in the intro about taking advantage of a coyote's territorial instincts and I think that's a good thing to to talk about is those territorial instincts that a coyote has this time of year and and how that can help you call in more coyotes uh you know coyotes won't hardly tolerate an intruder that gets close to their denning area just like you being in there he was kind of see he was seeing you as an intruder I'm assuming um and that's one of the reasons I think why howls work so great this time of year you know when you place a strange coyote on the scene when you howl a lot of times it's a pretty good chance you've already got coyotes on the way to come see who's there and to run you off you want to talk about that about their about the territorial stuff there to yeah it is they get extremely territorial and protective over those den and pup rearing areas and you like we said you got to be within that bubble and if you're inside that radius they just can't hardly resist it it doesn't matter what it is i've shared videos before where a [ __ ] or a possum or just any kind of animal gets too close to the den they'll kill it i mean they will kill it not with no intentions of eating it they'll kill it just to get rid of it everybody's seen the decoy dog deal the reason the decoy dog deal works so well during the den and pupering time frame is because of that territorial response they have to anything getting too close and the hows work the exact same way when you get in you're a strange coat when you get inside that bubble they can't hardly resist coming through it i mean they just they have to check it out they may ignore prey distress sounds or something like that at a distance but it's hard for them to ignore what they perceive to be a strange coat getting too close to that that dinner area because we've talked about this before too those strange coats coats are not friendly with each other so a strange coat is not part of the family group if he encounters a pup coat he's not going to carry him home he's going to eat That's an easy meal isn't it that's right good chance he's going to eat him so those those family members of that group whether it be the the male the female or any helper that they may have they are extremely vulnerable to those go vocals for that reason they are so aggressive and territorial yeah I think I think that's one of your you know one of your strongest tools this time of year is a good set of house and uh you know it's kind of it's kind of wild but I still get people ask me about howling at coyotes and that type of stuff there's still uh even though we've shown it proved it time and time and time again how effective howling at coyotes can be there's still a lot of people that's kind of scared to to howl at them and you know it's if you're not inserting hows into your coyote stand this time of year you're just absolutely missing out you need to be doing and it don't really matter what time of day it is you know I always have people ask me when we'll talk about it or or show it in a video i'll always get a question like "What time of day was that?" Man I'll tell them what time of day it is but it really don't matter it don't matter what time of day or night that you do it if you're inside their area and you you rip out a big set of houses you've got their attention yeah and it doesn't matter we've covered it a million times like you said but it doesn't matter what time of day it is and it doesn't matter which child you choose to use whether it be a female a male age class you're a strange coat and they don't care it's just like I mean it really is no different than your house do you care if somebody breaks in in the middle of the day or in the middle of the night doesn't matter you're right you're right i mean you are going to protect your property from a stranger regardless and coyotes coyotes act the same way especially when they've got pups and the age class of those pups as long as they are from the den time frame all the way through until family bust up so we're pretty much talking all spring summer and into early fall you can take advantage of that and and the prime time is right now i mean you're getting into with this June call in the month we're covering right now you're starting to I mean you're on that uphill climb right now going towards the peak of being able to to get your vocal response and your most aggressive callins of the year right right and that's the thing i don't I mean it's countless countless times that I've had coyotes show up either just emerge where you can see them or come absolutely running in and about run over top the call just to a series of house or maybe a second or third series of house that's and that's the thing you don't have to just let one set out and that be it you can you can but don't be afraid to let out multiple sets of house throughout that uh throughout that coyote stand i know like Greg Gallagher we bring him up quite a bit if you ever read his post on Facebook when he talks about this stuff he'll he'll list out three or four different sets of house he's really good about telling what uh you know he'll have a successful hunt and he'll usually tell everybody what he did and if you'll pay attention he let he'll let out all kinds of different house he might let out three four five different house from different coyotes and different group house and different type of stuff and he'll have one coyote laying there two or three coyotes laying there sometimes a quint you know he's he's absolutely lays them up and one of his biggest tools that he really takes advantage of is coyote house yep it is it's hard to beat him i mean it should be a part of your sequence this time of the year if it's not you are definitely missing out i'm not saying you can't call up coyotes with other sounds you can but you definitely need to add owls in there because you are you're leaving coats out there that may not come to any that won't come to anything else you know and I think you you made a great point when you said it don't matter what the hal is don't matter if it's a male or a female or even a some type of pup or it it don't matter if you if there's a strange coyote in there it's a strange coyote now of course all of us have got our favorite house that we like to use and whether it be just because we've had more personal success with them or or whatever u I guess what I'm getting at is yeah use your favorite house that you've used you know from times before that you've had a lot of luck with and don't be afraid to try new house there's tons and tons and tons of house from MFK and from FoxPro and all of them are going to get the job done yep i do think there is some some of these coyote houses that I either I often wondered what a coyote's thinking about when he hears these how I don't know if there's like some certain like like Boon you know it's one of the most famous coyotes there is there must be something about Boone that just gets underneath their skin they don't like his tone or something they just want to come smack him in the mouth yeah i I don't know what it is there is something to that and I don't know so much that that it matters as far as the strange coat deal i don't think it matters which al you choose to play they pretty much have the same effect as far as a coat coming to check it out uh but like you said there's something about certain hows that tend to get them a little more worked up they they're more apt to vocalize to them you know there are some of those hows like the boon howls that just really trip or trigger and a lot of times they vocalize back before they come in i've got other houses that I play a lot especially when you get into your pup house stuff pup house call coach really well a lot of times they don't vocalize back to them though for whatever reason and they're not as long or whatever but they work really well for calling them in and they will vocalize to them but they don't seem to vocalize back to the pup house as often right right right but they sure do come to them they come Oh yeah run over them yeah run over them well I think that just like talking about the pups I think that brings us right into that you know I mentioned paternal instincts earlier let's talk about that let's talk about a coyote's paternal instincts and that is of course with with pups on the ground and in the ground and growing every day uh that's definitely coming into play and I really do think you know you can talk about rabbit i know there's still guys out there and there's nothing wrong with it you can play all your prey distresses all you want and play them all the way throughout the year that's fine i know guys kill coyotes with them every single day and night but in my opinion especially when you're talking about June besides for house puppy sounds are one of the strongest tools that you can put into play during this den season for coyotes for sure and for obvious reasons i mean they've got pups right now the pup sounds and the prey distress sounds work year round but there are definitely peaks to certain sounds this June time frame on through while they're raising these pups for obvious reasons your pup sounds are going to peak at this time of the year and those coyotes have a really hard time resisting those sounds and a lot of it's instinctual and you brought up you know that that paternal instinct i'll share with everybody something that I just had happen on May 1st uh well actually I guess it was April last day of April we had a big storm come through and I don't know what it is everybody that's ever raised livestock or anything else know that the animals are going to have babies and the worst storm possible they just tend to have them when they drop them i Yeah I had a I had a coat that I knew was getting pretty close to dropping pups i was checking pretty regular i knew where she was going to den at and she didn't she didn't do a great job with picking her den site we had a storm come through that night and dropped I don't know how many inches of rain anyway it filled that den hole up she lost the whole litter what was interesting and goes right to your point about the paternal instincts what was interesting about this is I wasn't sure if she'd had the pups yet or not but I could just tell by the way she was acting she looked a little skinnier her milk bag had dropped i said "She had them pups in that bank's gone." Well that hole was slammed full of water i don't think she had the pups in the hole i think it rained beforehand and she had the pups on top of the ground she had made a nest and anybody that's I've got some videos of this stuff too it's pretty interesting but those cows will make a nest inside that den a lot of times that's full of hair and stuff and real soft anyway she had tried her best to make I think because that den filled up with water and she may have had the pups inside i don't know exactly what happened with all of that but she made a nest on top of the ground had no pups in it but she was so I coats it when their pups die they'll eat the pups almost i think part of that is is you know they're keeping smell down that's a natural instinct if a pup dies a lot of times they'll eat it especially if they're newborns so if somebody's wondering what happened to the pups she ate the pups so after those pups were gone this went on for she's still not she still doesn't act back to normal but for two weeks after those pups were born she was still focused on that nest she was whinering and whining whimpering i've got videos of her she's looking between her legs she's searching she's spinning circles in that nest she'll take her nose and dig around she's looking for those pups tore yeah they're gone but she her instincts are still so strong that that she was keying on that for days and and probably still in that mindset you know will be for a while and it's just the instincts of them and you can take advantage of that oh just just imagine if if that's a coyote out here that that's happened to somewhere and you're out there hunting and all a sudden you start playing some puppy sounds she coming she can't help it she can't help it and one thing that made me think of I know you've seen them too you'll see people make the post on Facebook and stuff and they'll see a a female that appears to have pups you can tell she's got milk and they'll say you know why is this female here there's not woods or how far do you think she is from the den or well a lot of just because a cow has pups doesn't mean that the pup survive things happen to them they'll go back why is that female not in the hole with these newborn pups well sometimes she might be right there real close to the den and she's just come out for a short period of time but you could also have females running around that have obviously had pups that may no may no longer have pups and this female that I'm talking about that had the pups she would get up and range and do but she would come back to that nest she would come back to it so there weren't pups in there and she was getting up and fooling around and going here and there and then coming back to it so I think sometimes when people see that's something you got to keep in mind that just because you see a a coat that has had pups that's out roaming around and you wonder why she's not with them something may have caught them killed them they could have died for whatever reason and uh that's just another coat that's uh that's out there but regardless you can still take advantage of those uh those paternal instincts either way what what about like in that coyote situation um did you know which coyote was her mate could you know could you tell any kind of difference in in how the mate or helper coyote that would have been there did you notice any kind of uh change with them did they act like wondering where pups are type stuff too or are they just going on about their normal day day of living it was it was Stanky and Dempsey that that the uh Stanky was the mama and Dempsey was the daddy okay they were the pair and he kind of acted he keyed on whatever she did so yes he was still in you know the that male she they'll keep him away from the den he doesn't go when the pups are real little until they start actively feeding them yeah so he was still pretty much playing the same role to where now when she would get up and move around he would move around in close proximity to her but when she would go back to that nest he was kind of staying that male is pretty much acting as a satellite around her and wherever she's right right so he continued to play that role as though um he probably didn't know if the pups were there or not he was just still doing what he was supposed to be doing right yeah so both that that mated pair was were still functioning in that area the same as if pups were there even though none of the pups survived now I think they you know I think they're getting to the it's been you know two weeks after that happened she seemed to start paying less and less attention another thing that I noticed though is once any of the other females they have pups and they they're in the den they don't do any more digging you know they've already done all of that so they're just in there with the den she continued to dig almost like she was she was wanting to den because of instincts she dug other holes big old deep holes right there in that same general area and would get in them but then she kept going back to that to that nest area that she had made on top of the ground which is where I think she had the pups probably had at least a portion of them maybe all of them my theory is that prior to her having the pups the den that she was planning on using filled up with water because she just dug it wrong they usually dig a den better than that she dug it wrong the entrance to the to the den was full of water so she couldn't go in it and I think she made that makeshift nest on top of the ground had the pups in it because of the rain and the storm colder they didn't make it she ate them and can still smell them or knows that you know that's where she had the pups and so I think that's why she is focused on that area right there so heavy and how when did she when was it when did she have the pups may 1st sometime sometime between the night of April 30th or is it 30 or 31 days the last day of April or the 30th or the 31st was when the storm came through that night and it was a bad storm bad thunderstorm it rained pretty much all night long real heavy it's been like two weeks since then is she still is she still actively acting like that or is she moved on now so so for the first few days she would stay right there i've got videos of this where there are no pups there but the way she's acting you would think there's pups she's looking between her legs and spinning circles and whimpering and whining talking making those greeting whine type sounds and other little whimpers and stuff that the adults will make she's making those sounds as though the pups were there but they weren't there and she focused on that that nest i mean every time I'd check on her that's where she was laying she was in it just like if the pups were there and then over the you know over the next probably going into four or five days she would get up and venture off you know if I got in that area she would get up you know before I would get up there close to her she would get up and kind of come out towards me or go wherever she wanted to go and then she would make a circle back to it come back and check it a lot of times she'd lay down get up and just back and forth but within just a minute or two she would be back over there at it and either smelling of it or and she would do all that greeting wine type sounds in the process whimpering and whining just not acting right i a lot of times when I you know if I fed her or something like that she wouldn't eat she would go she might grab a couple bites and then she'd go get back in that nest yep she worried about other things besides that food yeah and up to up to about each day she was seeming to break away from it a little bit more but still checking it and I would say it took her about two weeks or maybe a couple days past that to uh basically you know two weeks later she's still checking it but she's not laying in it and and I mean I guess you starting to realize when pups are gone are starting to get over it a little bit right right i think it's a I think it's a big talking about that that coyote that lost that lost her litter i mean well you can you can see how she she's acting how Tori is talking about it and how you could imagine how she's going to respond to a call well just think about these coyotes that do have pups you know they're hearing these pups whining and distressing and doing all these sounds that they do throughout the year so this is the reason we're covering this and say this is one of the biggest tools you can have in your bag for June is these puppy sounds is because that's that's their life right now their whole life uh revolves around that litter of pups yeah yeah and it's uh this year something else about this year i've I've got to watch and spend time with a bunch of coyotes with litters of pups over the years but this year is the first time that I had one that is I mean she doesn't change i can I I can have my hands on her some people have seen a couple of the videos I shared uh that little be coat she's so comfortable with me being there that I get to watch i've got to watch even there was stuff I didn't think I had anything else much left to see and I've got to see some stuff this go around with that particular coat and her letters that I hadn't experienced before with her caring for those pups just right there she also didn't have the pups underground which helped because I could you know I can get to them a little better there's old house place she had the pups at the old house place and so there's a lot of things a lot of those intimate underground inside the den stuff that you don't really get to see cuz you can't see yeah yeah you can't get in there with them and I can get right there and watch her care for these pups and I've recorded some stuff over the past few weeks that is I don't know how well it'll work but I got high hopes for it because it's some of the communication between little bitty pups all the way from newborn pups as they progress and the way she communicates with them the noises that they make and getting to record this stuff in a natural setting to where it's not a mixed sound i'm not taking adult sounds and mixing it over pup sounds or it's just them this is the real deal den sounds and the communication between that mama coat and those pups especially when one of them gets over here and one of them gets and it gets her agitated and worked up and she starts communicating with those pups it is some it's some good stuff hey can't wait to put it to the test out i I can't either it's uh it's some pretty good stuff and I'm I'm busy with recording all kinds of stuff from them but uh and and then on top of that you get to see those instincts just how how keyed in they are on those pups right right well that's that's uh that's pretty interesting stuff and it just goes right along with you know kind of our focus even though we're talking about you know we're talking about coyote calling during the month of June but I want this to be focused on territorial and paternal in instinct type stuff and everything we've talked about just plays just shows how important uh this could be when you're trying to call coyotes throughout the month of June um one thing I do think we have to talk about and the reason I want to bring this in we've talked about like using prey distress through this time of year and mainly um me personally and I know Tori as well if we do use prey distress this time of year a lot of times it's fawn distress and that's what I want to talk about um now again guys I know all you bird distresses and all you rabbit distresses and all that type of stuff is going to work year round and I know a lot of you guys continue using them not saying not to uh but this is what we're just kind of focusing on for this podcast but one of the reasons I want to talk about fonds is because I've got a dough i've got here at my house I've got like a little 3 acre uh hay field here behind the house and it's surrounded by woods on two sides of it well I've got a I've got a dough that's been living right there guess what she's she's dropped a fawn back there today literally to today cuz I've been watching her just I see her every day well she's you can tell she's she's put one on the ground and I saw a trail camera video uh that a buddy sent me like two days ago um seeing his first fawn his fawn was out moving around with mom like walked out right in front of a trail camera that was set on video had this little spinlylegged fawn that could just barely walk following it so I know for a fact that we've got fawns on the ground on here it is May 16th and of course when this comes out it's going to be right there close to the 1st of June but man how many times we talked about that every single coyote that trips over a fawn laying there that fawn is is is a meal absolutely and going right back to the instincts I I don't think people give that enough thought and enough credit when they're calling animals or hunting animals in general but I think fond drop is a built-in instinct for coyotes and other predators yep but I I don't think that it's a that it's an accident the timing and I mean the way God creates stuff there's not an accident with the way that timing happens and the way predators instincts are in conjunction with when other prey se prey species are born those pups being born and those cos on it because just think if a co catches a fawn that's a lot better you know it conserves energy it does a lot of things as far as raising those pups and I think that that they instinctually know that i don't think cos around thinking about that stuff i think it's a built-in instinct that they know that the fond drop is coming they're anticipating it they're ready for it and then as those fonds start hitting the ground they're actively hunting for them i mean they are keying on fonds for a period of time for for sure it's almost like everybody's watched well I shouldn't say everybody but I remember watching this stuff as as a kid and still watch it today if I see it on but like some of that Nat Geo stuff and Wild America when they would talk about the salmon run and all these bears coming to this river and and catching these I mean how in the world they know they show you what I mean it's instinct they show up before the fish get there so that they get in on the very and wait on them sit there and wait on them yeah and the couch are doing the same thing with ponds and that's why I when we start talking about sequences um there's the only prey distress in my sequences this time of the year is pawn and occasionally [ __ ] that's just to throw something unique in there right right it is it's a killer sound for this time of the year just because it plays such a big role in feeding those pups you know that's a that's just a bigger meal that's one of the bigger wild meals or wild food sources out there across a lot of the nation is a is a white tail pond and that's a deer farm mu deer any that's happening right now and so that's you know and if you ever listen to I listen to a lot of habitat podcast and studies and all that kind of stuff and some of them you know get on the subject of turkey ps and deer fonds and all that kind of stuff and they're talking about habitat and they start talking about you know habitat structure types and how predators use it and how white tail ponds use it and it's no accident that those coats key on certain areas that hold white tail ponds i mean there's that's instinctual you know they know to do it and they they take full advantage of those uh those ponds hitting the ground and going back to one of the first things you said in the podcast opening it up what's a good reason if you deer hunt turkey hunt or care anything about that stuff what's one of the best ways to help save some of your ponds and poles exactly take some pressure off of them yeah i mean if you kill if you kill a female coat at the right time you can pretty much wipe out that whole family when you do that just think about how many fonds you save and then on top of that people will say "Well another cow's going to move in." It may or it may not we've covered that in some of the other podcasts but Yep yep but but you buy you buy it days i mean or or you make it survi you know ultimately survive but I I thought the other day and I saw that uh that video at Trail Cam Vero i said saw that little fawn trying to follow mama i said we got to talk about that on this podcast and then I kind of forgot about it uh cuz I I'd hollered at Toy earlier in the week wanted to see if we can get together and do this one and and then we had a big rainstorm come through here this morning i mean it dropped hail and everything else and like I said I got this this dough that's been back here well after that rain passed through sun kind of popped out well guess what she showed up she come out there to get her little bite of bite of grass back here and I grabbed a binocular looked at binoculars and looked there i was like "Man something looks different." I'm pretty sure she has dropped that pond yeah yeah and I mean if you think about it you talking about buying days that's the key to it every time you kill a coat and you buy those spawns and those turkey ps look at how fast they progress anybody that's ever been around baby animals or even baby livestock they hit the ground they're vulnerable to everything especially those first few hours and then the next couple days about anything could catch them we even a even a fat boy could run one down that's right that's right with each day look how they go from being wobble negged can't even stand up in the first few hours to a couple weeks later them things are good luck you know and and it does coach do the same way with each day that they're on the ground the odds go in the favor of those turkey pts and the and those fonds as far as being able to get away and helps their odds of survival so it's it's that's definitely another plus if you're trying to manage your property manage your predators and all that kind of stuff yeah i was going to finish up here just a little bit i was going to ask you about putting you know uh a calling sequence together just an example uh for June but before I get to that um there's two small things I want to cover um one is locating effect effectiveness you don't have to cover a ton of time on cuz we've talked about locating uh many times before i know I know some people u you know they they base a lot of their hunting season over uh from from locating coyotes and some people don't care a bit about trying to locate coyotes and both ways are fine uh it's no big deal there uh but I like to locate coyotes especially when it comes to denning season and pupering season coyotes so if you don't care just touch on how effective locating could be in June i guess it's kind of the onset of when they do start to get get vocal is that is that correct or is it's going to be a little bit later on before it really comes into play yeah that that is the initial startup of your vocal coat season locating works excellent for finding those family groups pinning those family groups and also having reliable located coats for an extended period of time all often times all the way until family bus stop takes place so once those pups get out of the den and they get up there you know they're already howling at 3 four weeks old but after they get out of the den they start like we talked about earlier the adults are spending more time away from them you get some separation between those pups and the adults they start communicating with house so your vocals start going up cows also begin to locate then because they are naturally becoming more vocal they'll start answering back to house so you can go out locate your area ride around pin those groups with whatever mapping system you use and then those located coyotes you can stack up a bunch of coyotes put several groups together and you may not hunt them for a while you may you may want to hunt them the very next morning but you may want to stack up some coats and the wind may not be right you may want to stack up coats for you know to where you can just once you start hunting you can hunt several days in a row without doing any locating you can just go back and go through those pins and you've got reliable information during that's the key to it locating during the summertime during pupering season which is what we'll be starting in June those located groups will be reliable all the way through until family bust up unless something causes them to move whether it be your hunting pressure or something changes but if nothing changes those cuffs will typically stay there from we'll just say June through about you know August September October somewhere in that time frame depending on when family bust up starts taking place for that particular family group but you can get you you know you can get you some reliable groups put together that will cover you know a three or more month time frame and that is great to have in your pocket you was talking about you know that information on located coyotes would be be good unless they decided to to move um I like moving coyotes myself and how I like doing that is dragging them out the field after I mow them down yep and if you know where they're at there's high odds how they're going to get moved too i mean I I love locating uh you mentioned that you don't have to do it to kill coats there's a couple reasons that I really like to locate well several reasons one sporadic coat populations you know if you if you live in an area where you don't have a lot of coats locating them will keep you from making blank stands you know you're calling the coats two it shows you where your aggressive vocal coats are which are more fun to hunt in my opinion you go in there who doesn't want to hear coats how bad so if you go out and locate coats and you get vocal responses there's a there's a very high chance that when you go back to hunt we're talking about daytime hunting or night really but there's a good chance that those coats are going to vocalize back while you're on stand hunting them which is more fun you know you get a little more excitement and then another reason is because it kicks all the odds into my favor when I go in there to make a stand i know where the codes are because I've heard them how I've got real time information on where I expect them to be i can see what the wind's doing i can put everything in my favor when I go in there and make a a stand so that the coats are where I want them to be in relation to my where I'm sitting where my call is sitting and what the wind's doing so just it really stacks odds in your favor and and creates a more exciting hunt in my opinion because you're probably going to get to hear vocals during this you know June through early fall time frame that that's kind of like me with with turkey hunting you know I like to run and gun and I like to do all that type of stuff and I'll hunt afternoons and whatever but my favorite time my favorite way of turkey hunting is is I like to go out in a late afternoon early evening and I want to roost a gobbler same as I've got him located i want to know where he's flying up i like to come in and set up on him the next morning i know exactly where I want to set up because I know exactly where he's at and I want him to be gobbling his head off you know what I mean yeah a local bird i know where he's at yeah it's it's just it's a lot more fun i mean I know a lot of people and I'm about I'm getting to where I'm kind of one of them i mean I'm just not that interested in turkey hunting if the turkeys are not goblin if I don't have a goblin turkey even if I know I can kill him I can go out there and set around and know spots to kill them and all that kind of stuff but it is just not as fun if that thing is not goblin and you know it kind of takes the whole reason for turkey hunting you know 100% me yeah i'm the same i'm the same way not not saying anything wrong about ambushing one or just deer hunting one or or I don't even like calling up those birds that that don't you know like they come in good but they don't gobble you know i'm like man it's almost like you got cheated yeah it's not as exciting got cheated out on something it it's a little different with the coyotes and that they're not just going to continue howling back at you and all that but this time of the year if you a lot of times adds a little something it adds Oh it does when you go out let's say you go out tonight and you hear a family group fire up you mark them on your map and you slip in there the next morning and you got the wind right and you sat down i mean what's more exciting than right there the first howl you let off on your stand and they cut that how off and they're howling just out of sight right there in the in the thicket the anticipation of what's about to happen and it puts you on it puts you on extreme alert and you ready you go into kill mode i mean if if soon soon as you hear it soon as you hear it and every person that's in that situation you'll audibly say "Oh yeah right here they are right there they are right where I thought." It completely changes it completely changes the mood of that stand you could make the exact same stand sitting in the exact same spot but let's say you were making a blind stand you hadn't heard cos you expect them to be there and you're ready but the way that you're sitting there looking around is a little bit different than when them things blow your hat off when they howl you know just out of sight oh my gosh I want to go coyote hunting this evening i mean that is fun stuff i'm pumped it's hard to beat that and uh so the locating the locating adds a lot of just ups the odds for you having those type stands and less blank stands i mean that's that's another 100% 100% you know unless you're just and they are there are some of those areas where the coyote density in that area is just so thick that you can just move half a mile in any direction and just get right into another group and then do it again and again and again but I'm in an area that ain't like that so uh locating really really ups my odds um so yeah I mean if if you're somebody could be in the same situation like me and Tori are in try locating if you don't do it try it it will definitely up your odds and uh increase your call-in percentage 100% i'll say one more thing about the locating that I I always say this to anybody that that tells me that you know there's no reason to locate you can just go out and make blind stands well if you make blind stands that's fine there's nothing wrong with making blind stance but going out and locating for all the reasons we just talked about is one of the reasons that makes locating if nothing else fun but if you go let's just say you go out and you locate and you'll hear people say "Well cow all the cows don't back." So you may be missing cows well let's say you you was planning on going hunting in the morning making blind stands at these five or six spots you've got picked out on the map you were you were going there regardless if you go locating that's where you were going you can keep those five or six spots that you've got picked out to go make your blind stands if you ride around for a couple hours at night or a couple hours whenever and do a little bit of locating if you don't hear any cos guess what you still make those same five or six blind stands but if you do hear one group two groups three groups are you telling me that you're not going to go hunt one of those two or three groups where you know for sure they're coats because you just heard them hey they got moved up in line and you can move them that's right so it doesn't change anything and that's my biggest That's one of my biggest things you know uh some guys say "Well well I don't waste my time locating." When I hear somebody say "I don't want to waste my time locating." I look at it a different way it's not hard work to ride around and listen for a coat that stuff's kind of fun so I look at it as you just too lazy to do it it's not going to hurt you it's not going to change anything you can still make your blind stands if that's what you want to do you know and with me one of the I get some enjoyment out of it because I really like u I'm a big fan of scouting um that's one of my favorite parts about turkey hunting uh I love the buildup from especially the two and three week time frame leading up to opening day man I scout like crazy we got guys that come down from the office uh got family that I take friends that I take you know we're we film a ton of ton of turkey hunts throughout the year so it I really enjoy that that process of going out and listening for birds glassing for birds watching them see where they fly down after they fly out of the roost from where they where they're gobbling from what they do throughout that morning i love every bit of that i log it you know I'm running trail cameras for them as well from places that I can't scout very easy i love every step of it and the same thing for deer i love I love deer scouting i like it comes sometimes with like the deer and turkey almost or comes to a point that sometimes I ask myself do I enjoy the scouting more than I do the actual hunting part of this because sometimes when you get on into the season I'm like man I kind of miss that scouting process I was doing leading up to this but you know and it's the same thing for the coyotes too i really enjoy scouting for the things i think anybody I mean you nailed it i'm the I'm the exact same way i think I do enjoy that process especially now that I'm older i mean some people hunt for the end process i think a picture or whatever whatever the reason is but when you scout for something and you put this strategy together as you're going in there you know you're doing the scouting whether it be for cos turkeys deer whatever and when you start finding what you're looking for and you start building this scenario in your mind and you're coming up with this strategy in your mind the anticipation for that playing out starts to build and it just creates an excitement for me and I think anybody else that's a true woodsman that really loves the process of of hunting it just builds so much more excitement to that hunt when you go in there and you set town and and you've scouted for you know you know there's a turkey right out there roosted in that tree or you know it's a begging that's been hooking all these trees and tearing thrashing and pawing the ground all down through here and busting them
acron camera picture of him and that thing's got you know a big 10 12 point rat all that stuff's anticipation the same way that when you hear them coaches vocalize in that thicket and he's in the corner or just on the other side of that creek and this other creek comes in here and pinches with it man I can go in there and set right there and if that wind's out of the east you start building that you putting that scenario together and for me and I know I know you know but the that builds the excitement for that hunt so much more than just going in there plopping down and hoping and to me that's kind of what a lot of blind calling is is you you decide you want to go coyote hunting you don't want to put a whole lot of effort into it you'd like to kill one so you pull up at a spot that you think's a good-looking spot or maybe you know there's a lot of cos and you go in there and you plop down in a spot and you hope you call one up you got your fingers crossed and you think about man I'd like to kill a coat in the morning that I don't like that that scenario is not as I mean it's fun if you call one up and kill it but it's not as fun if you had some buildup to it yeah yeah i I to I 100% agree and that uh that brings me up to my second thing I was want to ask you before we started talking about a little calling sequence is if you're going to be blind calling what are some terrain features to look for that might help you get on coyotes or I guess kind of some like with me like if I go to a new area um and going to start or say a new property say I gain a new because I just got a couple new properties here at home i've already been looking at it on on OnX and you can use whatever mapping tool that you want to use but I use OnX and what I've been doing because I'm going to start hunting it uh probably right after Memorial Day weekend right here when this podcast comes out the stuff I've marked on this map is is in with uh close proximity of water y uh that's one of the things I look for this time of year is water and close association with some kind of cover and that's what I'm kind of have pointed out i'm gonna try to go locate the this place i'm gonna try to locate on it as well uh but if I don't get to and I want to go up there and just try calling it you know because just going and calling a place is a good way to scout it too but I'm going to be focusing in on those uh those water sources probably with that's a close in close proximity of some type of cover you got any other kind of features that you like to look for if you were going to be making some blind uh blind calling stands Tory that you could maybe give some tips on exactly what you said is at nailed it i think water number one i'll add one thing to that i mean you pretty well covered it cover they want seclusion and they got to have the water obviously but the one thing I'll add to the water this is something that I've learned hunting here if you look on the map you've got water systems like rivers stuff like that that flood your bigger systems yeah avoid the the big because you got to think about spring denning so what I've learned about coyotes is they're usually not if you if you have those river systems that flood during the spring randomly the dens are usually not on the main water source they're going to be on feeders off of it so if you've got smaller creeks and drainages that's where you want to that's what I look for that's where the bulk of my coats are around here we've got some major rivers i don't find very many of those coats right on those rivers during the the Den and Pupperine time frame i find them on those drains and feeders that run into the main source because when you get those heavy flash floods during the spring those little feeder creeks you know they don't do much and and they're back to normal by the you know a couple hours later they've run out but those rivers will flood and flood that whole river bottom and stay yeah you want to be up out of that on those speeder drains and creeks and and have cover on it the thicker the better usually of course that varies from state to state but um that's if you've got river systems with creeks and drainages focus more on your stuff that is out of the flood zone yep yep i think that's a great tip and that makes sense it makes total total sense there um one other thing that I will add is if you're hunting spots that you've hunted for years let you know play off the history of the place you know if you if you go call certain properties say through the month of June and July and you've done it for years and you always get on on a den group of coyotes uh and it's certain certain spots of those farms properties whatever they are uh it's pretty good chance that they're probably going to be den coyotes in those same spots you know there's something about those spots a lot of times le something changes coyote after coyote after coyote will come back and then in those areas so I think that's another thing as far as blind calling goes i think you can play on the history of a property and go back and make those stands that been successful for you before during the ding ding and puppering months i think I think what you just mentioned is probably the number one tip if it's you know if it's areas that you've hunted for years i think I've mentioned this before but if if I were going to hunt blind right you know let's say I was going to go tomorrow I would get out my Onyx maps and I would look at the clusters of pins that I've dropped in the same areas because that's how I do it i'll I'll locate massive areas i mean I got pins dropped for miles miles upon miles and one thing that's interesting is you can look back through there over the years and we're going back How How long has Onyx been out that's how long I've been dropping pins a long time now yeah yeah so you can find those clusters where man you've located this spot for eight years and six of the last eight years there's been a you know there's been a family group right there and you'll see other ones where maybe in that same eight years there's only been one or two family groups so you could pick your your clusters from your history and put you together a morning at your highest odd spots that's that's an excellent tip well let's tell us a tell us a coyote calling sequence that you like to run through the month of June say say tomorrow's June whatever June 7th just pick a day say you're going to go coyote calling you've got a group located or maybe you're making some some uh blind blind stand you're just out making coyote stands what What's a sequence look like from Tory Cook i'm going to do it up really good for you because I've caught on that you're going to ask me about se We've been doing these podcasts long enough now i'm slow but I'm starting to catch on you going to ask me that and so I started keeping up with sequences that I used and had success with i started doing this some the last couple years and so before we got on here I jotted some down so I'm just going to run through the through them real quick and uh so the first one I'll start off with is and some of these are newer sounds but y'all will be able to get them on both websites MFK and FoxPro so anything you hear is available um first sequence I'll mention Burrhead halfrown house and I'll follow that right with pup yip yap house 10 weeks from there I go right to birthday pups too i'll play it for about three minutes from there I'll go right to little B pup one week and I alternate both birthday pups and the little bee pup sound with greeting wines i'll toggle back and forth for about three minutes and I'm just playing a short little burst of that greeting wines and I've learned that from listening to adult coats communicate with pups from there I'll play little heathen practice how four weeks that is a very unique sound and it's not howl so much as it is a hungry pup that is learning to howl that is calling for his mama he is that that is the purpose of that particular sound it's a unique sound works really good sometimes I will mix day old dough in with this sequence i did this on a all of these are successful sequences from the past couple years that I've used multiple times i'll mix day old dough in there for a couple minutes and then I'll end it with meat brawl five weeks that's one sequence right into the next one this is a a older sequence that I've been using for a long time and I always mix it in every summer juice lonely female then I'll follow that with any one of the got milk sounds which is a newborn pup that's hungry i go from that right to little broke be four weeks i love the little beep pup sound yeah yep uh follow that with pup mix and then I will go to any of the more aggressive fights table scraps pound town fight challenge any of those to end that just kind of take your pick there uh and one thing you'll notice with every one of these sequences going right back to what we talked about in the podcast starting with hows and then going right into those different age classes of fs mixing in a little bit of social interaction with the greeting whines those type sounds submissive beggar type sounds and then just ending it with something that's a little more aggressive like one of your pups and then here's another one that's really good um this particular sequence I had a group of coyotes that I messed with i was trying to self film i called these coyotes up three different times and didn't get them killed then I had trouble getting them called back up i finally went back and this is the sequence that I used and I went back two different times and ended up killing four coyotes out of the bunch and killing another or crippling another one but this was the sequence that I ended up really tripping their trigger again after I had pressured them so I started with Shabuzzi House i followed right behind that so as soon as Shaboji House finished I followed right in with [ __ ] House mhm waited a minute or two went to sweet and sour group followed that with mom and dad then call and I toggled back and forth between mom and dad then call and bam five weeks up sound yep again about three minutes and then I went to These are some really unique sounds too i love these sounds if y'all hadn't tried them yet at least go on there and listen to them and you'll see how unique they are and I'll give you a little background on the sound too if anybody's if y'all hadn't heard me talk about the co flip-flop she was born crippled back legs were deformed she was an automatic outcast from the group because of that I got some very unique sounds recorded from her and that's where these sounds come from because she was an outcast she was never part of the family group she was always kind of off to the side the only reason she survived was because I was helping her out and I recorded flip-flop chatter house and flip-flop crowd house and those are just little bitty pup house that are her wanting attention this is when she's really little you know just that four week old five week old time frame i'll play flip-flop chatter and follow it with flip-flop crowd or you can play them individually and they're they're really good very unique sounds um and then I will mix in sometimes on some of the stands I would mix in tenderloin which is probably my favorite fondestress sound i've kept that under my hat for a while because I didn't release that sound yeah yeah because I used it so much but it is it's available now tenderloin and uh then I'll end that sequence with D Smash which is a fight it's pretty good yep i got two more quick ones i'll give you this one this one is a newer sequence i used it a couple times last year with good success and it's from that little code I call fireball that little runt male and this is this you could pretty much call this the fire sauce sequence because every sound in here with the exception of one involves the cow fireball so I start off with the how fireball what you name i follow it with fireball big girl pair then I go into fireball three weeks which is a tiny little pup i run it for two or three minutes and I will usually mix it with either greeting wines or submissive beggar either one and you can toggle back and forth like I was talking about i really started doing that a lot with those greeting wine sounds and then I go to fireball puff pow four weeks and I end with fire sauce another killer sequence and then this one is a really old one proven good boon what's up house followed by happy yappy group followed by submissive beggar followed by broke pups in with den vicious and if you play any one of them if you're not killing coats on one of them five sequences you something you ain't set up you doing something another sport take up another form of hunting man yeah if y'all can't take those sequences there and have coyotes running over top of you then you've got more things to worry about than what sounds you playing that's pretty That's pretty good stuff Tory you give a lot of information on that one i was prepared for you today you were you were you had them wrote down on your arm or something didn't you hey I did write them down because I knew I wasn't going to be able to call them off top of my head i I run so many different sounds testing them that I can't remember a lot of times you know I'll remember well this is a good sound but what did I play it with and so I started because of the specifically to share this information with our listeners i started when I would have a stand and I called in and killed coyotes i would while I still had it fresh in my mind I would well I've actually got a GoPro there that I'm running the whole time and if I couldn't remember I could look back and I started back jotting that stuff down just so we could we could share it with people how how long a stand you making this time of year most of the time they're not very long because you usually get a cow called up pretty quick if you're on loc but most of those the way I'm running them some of them's got a few more sounds than others anywhere from about that 12 minute mark to about 20 22 minutes depending on which sequence you pick and cuz those howls you know I mentioned several sounds but some of those sounds like the howls you're just running one sequence you're moving to another how running it one sequence so you're only getting you know three minutes deep or so with that and then the way I'm toggling those greeting wines or submissive beggar with another sound and only running them for about three minutes you can you can get those you can keep most of those sequences inside 15 minutes if you want to or you could extend them out if you wanted to by let's say if you didn't toggle between greet and wines and you run it the way I used to run it you know I would and I both ways work great you could run one of your sounds three minutes then go to greet and wise for three minutes and doing it that way you're extending your sound a little bit by playing those greet and wine sounds instead of playing a little short burst you know you're getting a a three minute or so segment right right well that's good stuff like like like we were just saying if you can't take any one of those sequences there and have coyotes running in you got you got other things to worry about you just wasn't setting up on coyotes or you set up totally wrong what's What's the John Collins sequence mine Mine Mine's pretty boring but it works that's all that matters i'll just get I'll just I'll just give one and uh and this is this is a type of sequence I've run for a long time in like that early or that late spring early summer and I'm going to run like two different house a lot of times I'm either going to start off with like camir lonely or I'll start off with female sore house which is a fox pro sound and almost every single time I'm going to follow it up with a set of boon house either boon what's up house I've always liked that during that time frame or boon lone wine house so two different sets of house run them pretty close within each other and just one series of each of both of them and then after a short pause I'm just going to go start going through several different pup sounds start off with a sound like uh birthday pups run it two to three minutes nothing shows up go right into broke pups and broke pups is probably my has became my number one sound for late spring early summer and pretty much all through summer coyote calling I've just called in so many coyotes off MFK broke pups it's it's really turned in one of my favorite sounds it's like one of those sounds when I turn it on you know I start getting antsy got my thumb on that safety you know just ready for a coyote to come because I've just caught so many coyotes to it nothing comes to that i'll go through a few more pup sounds coyote Pup 314 Fox Pro sound and then I'm going to grab some other sounds that I've just historically had a lot of luck with boon 7we pup bougie 8week pup stanky 8week pup those are all my favorites right there and are going to be in that sequence and then I'm going to finish up with Dan Vicious 2 i like Dan Vicious 2 it's a really fast-paced pup fight love it caught a lot of coyotes with it and I'm going to finish up um I I will mention one other sound that I've I really liked last year and I did have some success with it and I and I didn't talk about it much and it was kind of unfair it was just one of those things we just didn't really get into much last year but one of my favorite pup fights that I've really took a liking to i think it is fireball you have you might have to correct me on this Tori rematch that's it fireball DMC rematch eight week that's a good one right there it's a really good one so I'm usually throwing that in there towards the end and of course you always got to finish with pound town but I'm going to run each one of those pup sounds for just two or three minutes a piece and either no pause in between them going to the next one or it's a short pause of like 15 20 seconds or something like that and you know if I think I've got a coyote in front of me and he hasn't showed up I'll stretch that stand out to 25 minutes plus uh maybe not on a blind calling stand but if I've located coyotes and the suckers ain't showed up I'll stick right there with them pretty good while oh yeah yeah and some some of your stands I mean talking about locating cos sometimes I've had stands go two hours because you you're not in the right spot they vocalize back you know you're on them you make a move and sometimes between moving on cos and they may move the opposite direction from you to begin with but if they stay vocal I stick with them you know just move and that's me it's it's one of those things if if I know I got a coyote there whether I've located them or maybe one of those two sets of house that I played at the beginning of the stand they vocalized back and they're right there close they should be showing up but they just never did i'll stick with them for a pretty good piece yeah yeah and that's another one of those reasons why I run through through so many different pup sounds because I've been in those situations where you have a coyote it immediately vocalizes back early into the stand right there when you started howling at them and they're just there within a couple hundred yards i mean they're there and you play through sounds play through sounds play through sounds and nothing shows up and then all of a sudden you'll hit some rand random pup sound or maybe some other kind of sound and here comes the coyotes just burning in like they never heard you started calling they just there's something about that sound that triggered them and so that's the reason I run through so through so many and uh just just for a a little side note uh we talked about fond of stress earlier if I do play a fond distress I usually put it right at the front of the of the stand start right off with it before the house or anything just see if I can't pick one off uh on a little bit of of a food source only time I ever run fondress is through these early summer late spring months so you know if I can pick one off to that I've still got the rest of my stand right there handy to get the rest of them then I can go into my house and all my pup stuff and hopefully have you know two three four coyotes laying on the ground at the end of it it's funny you brought up the fond distress because I was going to bring it up too one thing talking about making longer stands and sometimes whatever's tripping their trigger this has been two or three years ago now that's when I first started playing with that tenderloin sound i had just recorded it that summer or that spring and I thank me and it was me Dayton and Jamie Terry we went into a public ground spot located coats located them i think we located them that morning before daylight we went and hunted a different group killed a coat out come back to this group i mean they sounded I mean it was a aggressive big group of cos we walk in there sat down on them can't do nothing with them that morning they didn't vocalize back we didn't call them up ran through everything little pup related and that type stuff played no fond distress yeah the next morning I don't think Dayton could go back with us me and Jamie went back if I remember right i know it was me and Jamie because he's the one killed the co or I think he killed one shot another one anyway we go in there and same thing we locate cos are in the same spot we go back in there we set out kind of going through a similar type sequence with the house and the little pup distri stuff these coyotes ain't breaking cut on tenderloin running wide open hard charging i think there was there was three adults coming in and he shot one crippled the other one out of the bunch but for whatever reason usually those will run right over you with that little pup distress stuff but that fond distress is something good to mix in there because that's what they wanted that morning and here they come 100% and one cool and I maybe I better not tell his secret but I think I saw Joey uh Worth maybe went to Kansas there last week and talking about food stuff i think I seen him mention in a post he he said something about like most of the coyotes that he called in now of course this is like first part of May type stuff I'm fixing to talk about for June um but I think he said a lot of his callins were to some type of bird distress i don't know if you saw him talking about that the other day or not so you just never know like if they're not coming to all this pup stuff which they should be coming to very strong and the coyote vocal stuff you never know when you throw in one of those you know throw some food in there that that that's what trips the trigger yeah it's uh I mean it's one of those deals where if you're not calling cos try something else but of course for the for the most part when you get into June once pups are out of the whole June time frame that pretty well covers all of the coats being out of the out of the den you get in June and moving forward June July August and into September and sometimes even October your vocal stuff is where your highest odds usually lie and you can still call some on your prey distress stuff if uh if they're not biting on that yep and uh but anyway that's uh that ought to get people in the in the general direction anyway well one thing I know it's not only in the general direction should get them fired up want to go out there and make some coyote stands you talking about you was laying that laying that out there that coyote get the yelling back at you right there out of sight and all that stuff man I got my you know excited i'm ready to go when you start painting them pictures in your mind oh man it makes you want to go turn that picture into reality make it come true exactly right exactly right i want to go take some pictures with a coyote that's right that's what I mean turn it into a reality is go out there and get them and it's time i mean it it is at them yep yeah well Tori we appreciate you coming on as always buddy yes sir enjoyed it appreciate everybody listening and uh see y'all next time we hope everyone enjoyed us on this episode and we hope you join us again right here on the Fox Pro podcast