In this episode, Jon Collins and Torry Cook discuss summertime raccoon calling.
Welcome to the FoxPro podcast brought to you by FoxPro Game Calls. We're back with another episode of the FoxPro podcast. We have Tory Cook of MFK on the line and we're going to be discussing summertime raccoon calling. How's it going, Tori? You doing all right, buddy? Yeah, man. Doing good. Staying plenty hot, but usually when it gets hot, the coke calling and the [ __ ] calling gets hot. So everything's hot right now. Yes, sir. This is uh it's Fourth of July week and it has been brutally hot here around Kentucky. It's actually a little cooler yesterday and ain't been too bad this morning, but the heat's coming this afternoon. And um I was in Kansas last week for a couple days and it was like midnight mid 90s out there. But just like you said, the coyotes came good. We we called in several. We we should have killed more than we killed, but that happens. uh you know when you're filming a little bit. We had some a couple of them embarrass us a little bit and a couple that we could have shot but just just let them let them get away trying to milk them. But you you'll have that. Yeah. The coats have a have a tendency of embarrassing you sometimes especially when you're trying to film them. Yes. Especially when you're when you're trying to film them. It's kind of kind of funny how that works out. you know, uh, they can embarrass you anyway, but when they can when they can, uh, prove that they've embarrassed you with some video footage, seems like it's more it tends to happen more often than not. Yeah. With me anyway. Yep. I completely understand. So, summertime raccoon calling. From what I understand, Tori, the summer months are probably the best time or or we guess we could say an excellent time to be calling for raccoons. Is that is that safe to say? Yeah, I think it probably is the number one time as far as just consistently producing. The rut during the winter is is a close second, but I would have to say that the summer calling is probably the best and and my favorite. the uh the winter rut stuff is a little more comfortable of course, but that summertime [ __ ] calling right now and it usually starts about June. That's when I'll start calling coons a little bit. Okay. Okay. right now, you know, going in through July, August, that it just kind of does like kind of follows the co up stuff, you know, it just it's on a steady uh rise as far as how good the colony is through June and into August and then those coons will those [ __ ] family groups will bust up just like coyotes do and you kind of have a taper then. But right now is prime time to get out there. And when you catch coons on a you usually call them about anytime, right in the middle of the day time frame doesn't matter. You can call them in the middle of the day after you make your coat stands, which is what I do a lot. And they'll come running right in. But on those days when it's when they're active, it's one of those I mean the action is so fast that you can make stand after stand after stand and call in coons on every stand. And most time the stand lasts less than five minutes. It takes you longer to to get set up than it does to call the [ __ ] in. Right. Well, that sounds awesome to me. Unfortunately, here in Kentucky, unless something has changed here this this year, which I haven't looked it up, um I can't I can't do it during this time frame. I've got to wait till October. Our season opens up October 1st, so it sounds like I'm missing out on on the the top time to get into that type of action. So, my my time frame is a little bit more hit or miss, but man, when it's working, it it's fun. It I really enjoy it. So, um, I've actually talked with a couple people, uh, see if I could get out later on this summer to join with them in a couple states that have an earlier season just to get in on it. Now, I know a lot of people think that sounds crazy, but it really is that that fun. Um, and and some people might be thinking, why call raccoons? I mean, tell them, Tori, it's it's it's fun. Super fun action. And plus, you know, uh I think in in some people's situations, it could really help in land management type situations if you're somebody trying to help your your turkey boats out or whatever else. You know, they they've had a kind of a wrap for raiding turkey nest. So, there's there's pluses to that if you're, you know, they're commit, you know, acts of depradation for crops and everything else. So, yeah. So you can do some good by taking some raccoons out of the population. Yeah. And that's what's so there are so many states like yours that have a [ __ ] season that doesn't come in during the right time of the year to take advantage of calling coons right now. And man, that is with nest predation being what it is and the rise of of the [ __ ] population across the nation for the most part everywhere, your your predators in general are on the rise. So, it's crazy to me that they that they don't go ahead and open those seasons year round for those nest predators in particular because you can, you know, get out there and and call coons or trap them or whatever you want to do to, you know, to knock a a dent in them. And as far as the why to do it and where they're traveling or something like that, I mean, uh, a [ __ ] is a little ball of aggression and rage there. I don't know. I mean, gray fox are aggressive coming to the call, but nothing compares when you get when you trigger that [ __ ] and it comes to the call. There's nothing more aggressive when they come in and you can have some exciting kind of hair raising. You know, I don't I'm not scared of them or anything like that, but they will make you think it's it's like they don't have the perception of how small they are versus how big you are. Because unless they smell you, they'll see you and come running in there growling at you. I've had them run across my feet. You'll shoot all If anybody's ever watched the videos of me shooting them with a bow, you'll shoot all the way through them. I'm talking about smoke them and they will turn around and run back to the call and bat the call. I've had them grab the call and fall off the side of a tree dead. That's how aggressive they are. And that is some fun stuff when you shoot them and they just keep coming. I mean, there's no other animal that does that. You shoot them. I don't want to stick the call in between my legs or nothing. That's for sure. They they will I've had them, you know, you can do stuff like that and they will they'll hit you and that of course they hit the call if you want them to. If you don't shoot them, they're going to hit that call more often than not. It's when they smell it, you know, the the smell is what triggers out. Yeah. That's what will usually usually slow them up some if they smell you and and that will turn them around. But I think uh I think it was me and Dayton one time. Seven shot this [ __ ] multiple times. There's like seven arrows and they're hitting him. You know, this and the [ __ ] is still coming back. That's how aggressive they are. And and that is that's some exciting stuff to get in, you know, on that. And even if you're not doing it with a bow, you know, 22 shotgun, whatever you want to get out there. Yeah. And hunt them with, you can have some really fun stands. And if you do it at the right time of year when they're calling, there's nothing better for, you know, taking a kid predator call. That's the best thing to start. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Uh and that's the thing when you get into some of those stands where they're coming and and just running over top of the call, tackling it. You'll fall in love with it. Um that's what really got me hooked. Uh of course, like I said, I could I can't do it during the summer. Uh, but I kind of got into it a couple years ago just from having conversations with you. And of course, I can't do it till the fall and winter. But I've got into some of those call-in situations where they come just absolutely tack tackle the call. Man, it gets my heart racing just as much as as anything else. And I even got to like in those winter months where I would uh, you know, they sometimes are not as aggressive in the winter months. I have found out I guess in between I guess in that lull between this time of year and before the rut there would be some situations where I would just call them out of a hole like in tree but they'd stay in the tree and wouldn't come down and I got to like I was like man I could shoot them they're just like 25 steps or 30 yards away but I wouldn't shoot them cuz I was wanting them to come on down and tackle the call cuz I fell in love with that so much you know. Yeah. So yeah that is the side of it that I like. You'll see a lot of the den calling and uh we actually just released a video on the YouTube channel that kind of goes over a lot of that and you'll see the den calling dry calling and a lot of times what you're seeing in those situations is not necessarily what I'm going for when I'm [ __ ] calling. You'll have the den you'll have the den tree callins where they come out of the hole, run down the tree and run hit the call. That's what Yes. That's what's fun if you're just looking. That's what I'm living for right there. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're just looking to kill coons, you can do the dree calling and stuff like that, but a lot of your coons are not what I would call target coons in that they're not the right [ __ ] that's going to come hit the call. They're going to stick their head out and look and that's about all they're going to do. And so if you want to if you want to kill them, you better shoot them then because if they come down the tree, a lot of times they'll run the other way. And that's another tip with the [ __ ] calling. During your summer months, you're targeting s coons that have had [ __ ] kittens, [ __ ] pups, whatever you want to call them. That s [ __ ] and sometimes the whole family group is what you're calling in your other coons. And you will get a random bore that comes in aggressively and you know just random coons. that nine out of 10 or more of the coons that you call are going to be those s coons during the summer months. Which when you're trying to do predator control type stuff on your property, that's what you want to kill because when you kill that s [ __ ] something else is going to eat them baby coons. You know that that she's a cow's gonna get them, you know. So, but that is what your that's your target [ __ ] So if you I've had people call me and say, "Man, I I went to a deer feeder. There's, you know, 15 coons coming to it every afternoon. I turn my call on and you know, all the coons that were there ran away." Well, those are not the the target [ __ ] for the time of the year. Maybe they turn it on and all of them but one runs away and it runs and hits the call. That's that's kind of the deal with your [ __ ] calling during that summertime. Those s coons are your target coons. And then when you fast forward to your rut time frame, that's when you're it completely swaps. You don't call in hardly any s coons, just about everything you call in that aggressively attacks the call is usually a older big bore [ __ ] A lot of times the ears are split and ripped up. you know, they're the they're the coons that are participating in the in the breeding and they're the more dominant boore coons and that's what and they they both time frames you have the same type of aggression. Those big bors will come running. You hear them growling and huffing when they're coming in. They'll hit that column. Those sons are just as aggressive if not more so when they come in there to that, you know, little [ __ ] distress. And the reason why summertime calling is so effective, especially for those s coons, is because they do have young right now. And when they hear those type of sounds, they just can't hardly resist. They've got to come. They're just coming to to fight something pretty much. Yeah. Just just like getting close to pup rearing coats and turning on pup stress, you know, that same same type of of effect. They just can't hardly resist. When you get close enough to them and you flip that on, they're coming. Yeah. Yeah. One thing you mentioned earlier about when raccoons come and hit the call and they they catch your scent. Um, tell everybody about that. That is one thing I think could probably get some people in trouble when they go to try to do this type of calling. Um, tell us about how you have to consider the wind direction when calling for coons. Yeah, it's it's the wind is important when you're calling any kind of predator. no matter the size. And I think a lot of times people make the mistake of underestimating a [ __ ] You know, they're slow and you know, you just don't put them in the same category as a coat. And and they don't use their nose to the degree that a coat does. But it is something you want to keep in mind. A coon's not hardly going to circle you to get the wind and stuff like that. He's going to come straight to the call. But when you set up, you want to have that in mind because if you've got the wind hitting you in the back, blowing out there to where you think the cones are going to come from and they smell you, they either don't come or they start coming and smell you and then you'll see them turn around and run away. And it's because they smell you. And you'll see some of the coons that are a little more lery coming in. Some of your coons are running wide open, just hard chargers all the way. Other ones are will come and stop and you'll see them rare up and they'll smell and then they'll come again and you know when you've got the wind in your favor that [ __ ] will eventually work its way all the way right up to the call. But if that wind is wrong it'll ruin your stands and so you know you've got to keep that in mind and main thing is just don't have the wind blowing towards where you think those coons are going to come from. Right. And and I I actually had a stand last year where I ran into that. Only one stand that I know of. I'm sure it's happened other times, but I was calling just making stands along this this little creek, you know, off to the side of it, 20 or 30 steps. And I had marked what I thought was the dent was a den tree, was calling towards it, and I don't know 30 minutes into calling, I hear this splash in the creek off to my left. And of course, that's where my wind was blowing. Yeah. Um, while I look and her comes over to the bank, here comes a great big old [ __ ] and it goes another five steps towards me and it catches my wind. It just instantly, I mean, just instantly doubled back and ran right back off to where it came from. Uh, just almost like seeing a coyote catching you in. So, I mean, they don't tolerate it much once they do get a nose full of it. Yep. Every predator lives and dies by their nose. I mean, regardless how small the predator is. So, you you got to keep it in mind. Yeah. Yes, sir. Um, what do you look for, uh, setting up, you know, what do you look for in a raccoon calling stand like terrain features and stuff like that? Where you going and making your your your setups? That varies a lot, you know, across the country, but anything whatever the [ __ ] habitat is in the area. For me, that's usually creek bottoms, river bottom systems, stuff like that. That is where you know there's sloohoo beds and drainages and that type habitat. And I I keep drawing similarities to uh to the coin. [ __ ] calling is very similar to the co colon in that if you have if you live in an area where you have really high populations of coons and you know that those coons are around crop ground or river bottom or whatever the terrain type is that holds [ __ ] in your area then a lot of times all you have to do is make stands in those areas you can go in and blind call and if you've got a really high [ __ ] population like I do here, which is kind of the opposite of my coats. Then you don't have to go and locate den trees or find old houses or places that you think the coons are going to going to hold up. You can just go to areas that hold a good [ __ ] population and you can make stands, blind stands, and you're going to typically call coons. And that's how I go about [ __ ] calling. On the flip side, when I'm hunting coyotes, I'm doing a lot of locating. If you're in one of those areas where you've got coons, but you don't have a real high population of coons, then you're going to have to do things like look for den trees or places that they would hole up or look for places that and I pay attention to this stuff even when I'm calling because you will get in some creek bottoms and stuff that look good, but you get in there and you start getting in those wet areas, you know, along those water hole and you don't see any [ __ ] tracks or maybe you only see one set. So you're you're looking for stuff in places where you can see tracks. If you're seeing tracks on top of tracks, I mean [ __ ] are they don't cover ground like coat. So they're usually using the same areas over and over again. So usually they're leaving a lot of sign. So if you go in and whatever area you're planning on calling and you're not seeing a lot of [ __ ] sign, then you probably want to try a different spot. Or if your cocoon population is low and you've got these, you know, narrow strips or or whatever, then you may have to go find your big trees that have holes in them and kind of target or big brush piles, root balls, you know, anything that that that [ __ ] could could lay up in for the day and you may have to call that type stuff. But in a lot of areas like mine where there's I mean you can't you can't hardly go anywhere without you see them from the road. I mean coons are everywhere. So I can pull up to a spot, hop out of the truck and walk across the ditch and call. And there's pretty high odds that I'm going to call call coons just by blind calling. And so I'm typically blind calling for coons in Arkansas. I'm typically locating goats in Arkansas. Right. Right. a deal. Well, that that's pretty I'm gonna have to talking about all these raccoons. You gonna have to invite me sometime. Invite me out to go raccoon. We're just gonna have to do this. You just tell me when you're coming that the invite the doors always open. We can make that happen about about any time. Hey, talking about, you know, you was talking about, you know, going that you know, people with lower populations might do a little bit of scouting. Um, that is something that I'm doing like right now. Not really the I'm not thinking of scouting for raccoons, but you know, I'm going out and making coyote stands right now here around the house. And if I'm out and I see like what I think is a den tree, you know, a great big old tree with holes in it and stuff like that, I mark it. I mark it not like I'm an OnX. I just put a, you know, you got a little raccoon emblem. I'm putting it on there and I make it a different color so it kind of stands out. I'm doing that all the time. I actually marked a spot this morning. Found some old houses, some old rundown barns are not in use anymore. I'm marking all those spots so I can remember when my season comes in. I'm going to go back and and try to call coons out of those spots. So, talking about the scouting a little bit where you were talking about, you know, you was finding tracks and stuff like that. And I think that was good that you that you mentioned that cuz like you said, you've got to do a little more scouting for your coyotes because you've got a lower population, but you might you don't have to for your raccoons. Like my area, we've got a lot of raccoons, but I wouldn't call I've tried the blind calling, just going out and doing it. Yeah. And I have called a few up just like anybody would with coyotes. You'll make so many stands eventually you'll call one up. But uh I I've found which like of course I said I can't do it in the summer, do it in the fall. But I noticed my percentage went way up when I was concentrating on where I had found in trees and some old rundown houses, abandoned houses and stuff like that. So I'm always thinking now, you know, I fell in love with it so much when I see something like, man, I better bet that's holding a raccoon, I mark it on Onyx, right? And and going back to the scouting deal and I was talking about tracks and stuff like that. One thing that we already mentioned a little bit, but that people need to really keep in mind is that target [ __ ] deal. And so, like we said earlier, you're targeting those S coons right now. So, that means all of the rest of your [ __ ] population is off the table. So, if you go into a spot and you only see one or two sets of [ __ ] tracks, there's high odds that that may not be a target [ __ ] You want multiple coons in an area so that a portion of those coons are your target coons. And that that's how you consistently call them up is making sure that you've got enough [ __ ] in a you know using a particular area that you're going to have some of those s coons. you're going to have some of those family groups and doing what you're talking about is another way to up the odds of that because those areas that you're talking about marking those are high odds places for them to den and have those pups and then you know once those pups get out of the den that area right there around those places are going to be of course where the pup rearing is taking place and so that just ups your odds of having a target [ __ ] to all when you go in there and set it up. Right. Right. Well, with all that in consideration, you know, you've talked about why it's so effective to call right now. Talked about a little bit about the scouting and how you're going out and and finding where you're setting up. Let's talk about how you're placing your your Fox Pro. Like, how close to you will you set it? Is there an optimal range that you like setting it at? Um, I guess a lot of it depends on what you're going to be calling with, right? Uh, or what you're going to be shooting with. Uh, but tell us about that a little bit. What how far you usually placing your your e-coll? You've got a lot of options with it on the cone deal because they are so aggressive. Kind of depends on what do you want to get out of that call up. Do you want that do you want that cone to possibly run up your brick's leg and get in your pocket or do you want it do you want to put it out there at the optimal distance to where you can get it killed and don't have to worry about it smelling you and stuff like that. So you can put the call you could put it you could leave it hanging on your side and shoot the [ __ ] at your feet if that's what you want to do and there's a good chance he's not going to slow down. He's going to hit your pants leg before he smells you. So yeah, that's an option. Um, but typically most of the time and and like you said, depends on, you know, what you're calling width, gun, bow, whatever. When I'm when I'm using the bow, I typically will have because I'm wanting that shot, you know, I prefer it to be 10 yards or less. So I've usually got that call at five, six, seven, eight yards from me, which is a little closer than I would set it if I was using a shotgun or or a 22. Most people are going to be shotgunning. So, I would probably when I'm shotgunning, I'm going to put it out there, you know, 15, 20 yards. That way, you've got a pretty good pattern. You know, you're starting to get a decent pattern. It just makes everything a little little easier. The coon's going to be out in front of you. When you put the call really close to you, that [ __ ] can come in from one, you know, a hard side or the other or even possibly come from behind you, you know, which you don't want because of of the wind. But putting that call out just a little bit farther from you will compensate for some of that and keep the [ __ ] you know, out there where you want him. So, right. Hey, one one key thing that I found is it's definitely one of those situations where you always want to be able to see and shoot where you put your Fox Pro at. Uh because they will they will absolutely tackle it like run right through it. So, you need to I mean that's my personal opinion there. You better have that call sitting where you can see it. Yeah. Because you might have a cone right on top of it. You do. And putting it out there, you know, to where you're getting, especially with a shotgun, you know, putting it out there 20, 30 yards to where you're getting that because that call that [ __ ] is going to 90% of the time is going to you're going to shoot him on top of the call unless you choose to shoot him before that, but he's going to end up right on top of the call unless you know your wind swirls or something like that. They they're not they're not like a code in that some of them are going to come to the call and some of them are going to circle or you know do all that stuff. That coon's usually beline from where he's at. He ends up right on top of the call. So put the call. They're coming. They're coming. Wherever you want to shoot, that's where you put your call with [ __ ] Yeah. And the only other tip as far as call placement, if you are targeting den trees and stuff like that, you want to put the call on the opposite side of the hole. So if you're if you know if you've got a hole that you think that [ __ ] is likely to come out of, you want to stick the call on the back side of that tree opposite the hole. That way that [ __ ] can't just stick his head out and look down. He's got to come out and spin around the tree out of it to see it and and that way you can shoot him and get him if you want to instead of if you put it on the front side and he sticks his head out and he can see the call or see down there where he knows the source of the sound. That may be all he does is just stick his head out and so if you shoot him he falls back in the hole. So, right, you know, little things like that within Colin, you can make that [ __ ] come out of the hole and position itself like you want him to to shoot him. Right. Right. Well, just like I was saying earlier, once you get into a few callins where they come tackle the call, you probably ain't going to be shooting to me out of a limb or out of a hole. You want you want them to come do it. I mean, that's just what I live for if I'm I'm doing it. But uh yeah, let's uh let's move right on to to sound choices. Uh Tori, you know, what type of sounds do you run for Colin Coons? And uh are there different types of sounds you'll play at different times of the year uh that you wouldn't play? Well, let's just keep it summertime type stuff for summer. It's the summertime raccoon call. So, what sounds are you focusing in on for right now? I do pretty much run the same sounds both times of the year. They they work well kind of like the co stuff. But specifically specifically for the summertime stuff, there's there's several sounds that I use. There are four or five that really stand out. Uh I usually start my stand with one of two sounds and that's a sound called is MFK [ __ ] supper or MFK screaming [ __ ] kitten. Those are my two those are my two favorites and I'll alternate those as far as starting a stand. And then I also like Fox Pros Young Raccoon. It's really good. I like uh MFK Baby [ __ ] Den. Uh there's one called [ __ ] Crusher. MFK [ __ ] Crusher. There's Fox Pros um [ __ ] Fight. Mhm. There's bandit battle from MFK and there's big baby [ __ ] fight from MFK. Those seven or eight [ __ ] sounds right there, if you've got those, you're you're going to call coons if they're calling. And typically what I do is choose, let's say, the first time I go out, especially if it's just getting into that June time frame and and maybe the coons are just starting to call and I'm trying to figure out because you'll go today, they're they're like coach. You'll go today and you'll find that this particular sound is the sound that day and you go back tomorrow and it may be a different sound that they're triggering on better. So, those are the sounds that I'm usually choosing from. And as far as how I go about playing them on stand and figuring out what the coons are triggering on, I'll start that stand and usually I pull up to a spot and like I said, I'm I'm just usually within sight of the truck when I make that first stand. You don't have to go far, right? And I'll right I'll typically pick either [ __ ] supper or screaming [ __ ] kitten and I'll play that sound for roughly two minutes and then I'll swap to another one. So, if I start with [ __ ] Supper, I'll play it two minutes. Then I'll swap to Screaming [ __ ] Kitten. I'll play it two minutes. Then I'll swap to Baby [ __ ] Den, play it two minutes, and then swap to Foxro Young [ __ ] Distress. That's going to have me there seven, eight minutes playing those, you know, if you pick four sounds, two minutes each, eight minute stand, you should have a [ __ ] there by then. I mean, most of the time they're there in under five minutes. So once I run through those four sounds, if I don't call something up or even if I do call something up and kill it, when I go make the next stand, I'll usually swap the order. Especially if I don't call something up, I may run some of those other sounds that I mentioned. I may run uh like big baby [ __ ] fight, baby [ __ ] den. I'll throw foxro [ __ ] fight in there. So, initially when you're trying to figure out what what they're triggering on, you want to run about a sound for two minutes, swap to another one till you get through three or four sounds on the next stand, run, you know, some different sounds. And then once you call a [ __ ] and you see what it comes in on, and most of the time those first four sounds that I mentioned, [ __ ] supper, u screaming [ __ ] kitten, fox pro, young raccoon, and baby [ __ ] den MFK. Yep. Yep. Run those four. You're going to call and kill coons this time of the year. And from there, when I see that, let's say that they're triggering really good on, let's say I start with [ __ ] supper and a [ __ ] shows up on screaming [ __ ] kitten. Well, on the next stand, I'll start screaming [ __ ] kitten. And if a [ __ ] shows up on it, before long, you start figuring out, all right, these one or two sounds is what I've called [ __ ] zone. So then what I typically do is once I start getting some callups on a couple of those stand on a couple of those sounds the next stand that I make I may run screaming [ __ ] kitten and [ __ ] supper for four minutes each and that and that's my stand or three minutes each and that you know I'll cut my stand down to like six minutes or so and just running two sounds and and that those two sounds may be young [ __ ] distress and you know baby [ __ ] then. But that's how you go about figuring out what your trigger sounds are and kind of how I start figuring out what my what my sequence is going to be for that day. And before long, you're usually turning your call on with one of those top two sounds and you're killing the first [ __ ] in the first two minutes or minute that the call is on. A lot of times you'll switch to the next sound and you may call in one or two more coons. So, right, you you figure it out pretty quick and on days. Something else that I've learned about [ __ ] calling, especially in the daytime, is that it works any time of the day, but your coons have, and I think partly because of the age of those pups, they have periods of activity throughout the day, and you want to catch that. There have been days where I've went out and I'll make four or five [ __ ] stands at say I may have cow hunted that morning and at 10 o'clock I swap over and start making [ __ ] stands. I make four or five [ __ ] stands. Don't call up anything. Right. Right. I'll give it a break. Prime example last year I went co calling off the river that morning. Coyote called, had a good morning, swapped over to coons. Wasn't doing any good. Made four or five stands. This is actually all on video. We had released it yet, but anyway, make four or five stands, nothing. Don't call up a [ __ ] I had my fishing stuff in the boat. I went bass fishing, caught some bass, fished for about two hours, went right back out. Same river bottom, just, you know, a little ways on down the river. Called coons on every stand from there to dark. Maybe I don't I think I only had one or two blank stands. Those coons had just swapped over and were active. And so that's another thing to keep in mind. If you're just getting into [ __ ] calling and you go out, if I make four or five stands and I hadn't called up a [ __ ] I'm going to shut it down. I'm not going to wear myself out making [ __ ] stands hoping to get one here and there. I'm wanting to call them on just about every stand. And that's right. When they're active and it's the right time of the year and you're in a [ __ ] population, that's what's going to happen. You're going to call them on most stands. So, I'll just give them a little break, come back later that afternoon, come back the next day that, you know, at a different time frame and you'll catch those coons active and wear them out. You speaking, you talking about the active stuff, which of course I like I said, I can't call during the during the summer months. Uh, but it does seem like if I try calling for coons like first thing in the morning, it seems like I don't call them. I don't know what the deal is, but it seemed like I've always had my best luck. Like you you mentioned middle of the day. Yeah. It's like a lot of times I would, like you were talking about earlier, I would make coyote stands and after I got done making coyote stands for the morning right there close to lunch, I'd start making raccoon stands. That's when I would have my best luck was from midday through the afternoon. I don't know if it was just coincidence or what the deal was, but it seemed like that was the best time for me to to call. I don't know if the if the summer stuff is any different or not. No, it's it's I raised coons to get their sounds off of them and I learned some stuff about their activity. So, you know, coons will be active a good portion of the night. And so then come daylight, come morning, a lot of times they lay up. So they'll you'll have a a period of time where they're sleeping after being active all night. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. They're [ __ ] are, you know, a [ __ ] is small, especially when you consider pup rearing time frame. So once you get up to that midm morning time frame, midday time frame, you're usually going to have another bout of activity from the coons where they're going to get up, mill around. They'll a lot of times just walking around in the woods, I f with deer and recording stuff all year long. And a lot of times when I'm walking these old Sloohs and stuff like that, I'll see these coons out there. You know, they're fishing in the in these slooh beds in the middle of the day or they're down there by the river getting a drink. So, they have bouts of activity. And typically there's a lull during that morning time frame. If I had to pick, if I'm daytime [ __ ] calling and I had to pick, you know, just the period of time to go, it'd be from about that lunchtime till dark time frame. you know, basically your your afternoon and you will catch you'll catch those coons during periods of activity. And a lot of times when you're, you know, this time of the year, they're active. At least a portion of your coons are active enough that you'll call cones from, you know, all afternoon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of the sounds you mentioned earlier, and I just want to make sure because I might have one up on you. I might be able to correct you on a sound file name. All right. You me you was mentioning it's a it's a combination of a of a smaller [ __ ] and an adult [ __ ] Yeah. What did you call that earlier? I either I either called it big baby [ __ ] fight or baby big [ __ ] It's I I always baby [ __ ] big [ __ ] fight. Yeah. That's that's all the same sound and I always forget which way it's arranged. Well, I wanted to make sure if people listen because the one of the reasons I want to make sure this was right because that's an excellent sound. I've used it. I've called raccoons with it in the fall in the winter. It's MFK baby [ __ ] big [ __ ] fight. I just want to make sure we had that right. So, if guys was looking for that to to get they could they could find it. That's an awesome sound. It's an awesome sound. Yeah. I glad you cleared that up because I I do it every time. I'll I'll rearrange that title back and forth between putting big to begin with or baby to begin with. Now, let me ask you this. You talking about, you know, you you talked about the sounds you like to use. Uh how long you're running the sounds and all that type of stuff. Uh let's talk about uh what what's your volume like? You're running pretty loud, right? Oh, yeah. Blast them cones. I mean, they like volume and I think a lot of times you're getting these coons, but we talking about them being active. I think a lot of times they may not be active. They may be in a hole or they're laid up in a brush pile sleeping or something like that and you're you're trying to get their attention and get them up on their feet. Yeah. So blast the volume because anybody that's ever watched the videos, you know, calling with the X24, I'm running that thing usually around volume 32 or so. 30 32 on coons. You could run it wide open if you wanted to, but it's, you know, how loud 32 is. I mean, that thing is plenty loud enough. And they will stick. Watch the videos. I'm not cutting the volume down. and they're running into the speaker, you know, they're putting their putting their mouth and and head and ear, I mean, right up against it. That thing is got to be ringing their ears and they're they're slapping the call. So, volume is I I start it loud, I keep it loud. you you was talking about those those raccoons coming up there and putting their head right in the speaker and we mentioned earlier about them catching scent and will spook on that. Uh if they do come in, say you call coons in, you don't get them killed or they come in, they smell you, all that type of stuff, you know, you mess up on them. Uh will they become call shy like coyotes do or do you have to worry about that much? I yes I think that to not as quick as a coyote will and I had a couple of instances where I knew that that's what was going on. There was a [ __ ] down here not too far from my house on river bottom. I was bow hunting called this I called up three coons on the same stand. kill one of them. And but one of those three coons was white. Not albino, but just ghost white looking, you know, just that old gray. Just had a distinct color about it. Different than all other coons. Real light colored [ __ ] And its tail was yellow. The rings and its tail was blonde looking. Yeah. Anyway, and we don't have very many like that. Well, this [ __ ] come in. Anyway, I didn't get it killed. Come right to the call. Run over the call. Well, this is a spot close to the house and it's easy to get to and lot of lot of calling there. So, I went back in a couple days made that you got a target you got a target [ __ ] to go back. That's right. You just like had to get the old ghost [ __ ] like off Red Ferns. That might be the same [ __ ] It might be down here in Arkansas now. But, uh anyway, I go back and I called up that same [ __ ] But this time when it got in there probably, oh, it got up there fairly close to the call, it it hesitated and kind of looked around and it figured things out and it turned around right off. Long story short, I ended up calling up calling that cone up two more times and each time it couldn't hardly resist coming up there and checking it out, but the distance the distance got got farther. And with it being that odd color, I knew it was the same [ __ ] And I could see that it was it kind of knew something. It was suspicious. It was getting leery. Yeah. It knew something. Couldn't stand but not to look but wasn't going to come up there and tackle it. Right. And with a shotgun or 22 or something, that [ __ ] never would have got to do all of that. But with a long bow when they hold up at 30 yards, I pretty good poke. Pretty good poke at it. Yeah. I mean, I I'll miss them at 10. You know, sometimes these coons down here ain't like them Midwest coons. They ain't much bigger than my hand as far as your your kill zone. So, that [ __ ] is old ghost [ __ ] still running that uh the he's talking about, you know, they're not that not that big. When you see a [ __ ] like out there, they look sometimes they look huge and some of those coons are really big. But I tell you something, it shocks me. Like if you got, this is just a tip thing. If you are out looking uh trying to find dent in trees and stuff like that, you'll see like holes in these trees and stuff and you'll see some holes that are that are pretty little and you're like, well, it probably ain't no den tree. It's probably or not no raccoon d tree. It's probably just a squirrel hole or whatever. I have seen an awful big raccoon come out of a little bitty hole. I don't know how they fit in there. what happens once that gets inside that trunk of that tree. But I have called some raccoons out of holes I didn't think they'd be able to come out of or be able to go in too. But they come out of a little bitty old spot sometimes. You you bring that up after raising coats. Of course, [ __ ] is going to be the exact same way. If they can get their head and ears through it, it's amazing what it's it amazed me what a co can go through and get through. You can take a 4x4 square and a coat, a full grown coat can squirm its way through there. You wouldn't think it would be able to, but you know, like a a cattle panel wire. Yeah. Those bull panels. Yeah. A full grown cow will go right through those squares if it wants to. Got one in the back of my truck right now. You wouldn't think a full grown co would go through it. I would have never dreamed. I've seen never would have dream. I've seen them do it multiple times. It's pretty wild. Yeah, I was going to And the reason I knew that is because I thought I was going to move some of the, you know, I can get my hands on these freerange coats, but sometimes I'll have to move some of them to different properties and stuff like that. And anyway, I was space them out and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or just keep them from You got to keep them on I got multiple different places that I'll I'll have to Yeah. swap them out. But anyway, uh I thought that I could get by with moving them in uh in that cattle panel. No sir. I mean a big male coat, stick his head through it right through. He'll go right on through it. Yeah. That is wild. Well, that's something to remember when you're out coyote calling. You get some of this cattle country and you see that type of stuff and you're looking like ain't no way I call coyote up here. They ain't got no way to get through the fence. Yeah. if they they might if they want to they can you know I'm not s they got to want to do it but you know like for example me taking them you take a freerange coat and you put him in a cage he wants out he he can go through that he can go through that square if he wants to you bringing up that something made you think of that yeah they go through some little bitty well and I've got uh I've got some videos of this I'll eventually post some of that stuff on that MFK page. There's a co den. It was a old den and the they moved the den had filled in. It's just like a little slit. Well, when this female moved the pups from the den she had the pups in. She moved them to this area and was using it like a puppy. But those pups started using that den as like a hiding spot. They really wasn't venting in it, but they were using it to hide in. And I thought that they it didn't look like that adult could go in there. Not no kind of way. I got videos of her coming. I put a camera on it to watch them all the time. She proved you wrong, huh? I'll I'll show some of that. And it's amazing how small that opening is. And that guy will go right in there. Awesome. That is cool. That is cool stuff. Yeah, I'd love to see that. Hey, I tell you another talking about remind you of stuff. was talking about that ghost [ __ ] you was talking about Red Fern Grow said that thing traveled down to down to Arkansas. Speaking of traveling, when I was in Kansas, u I actually saw three different bobcats that were hit on the road. I've never seen that anywhere driving. Yeah. I'm talking about in the same day saw three bobcats hit on the road, which is something you don't see very often, right? Well, one of the funny things is to me cuz I got to like wonder what the situation was. There was one spot where one of those bobcats was hit like five foot away from it was a raccoon hit too. So like there was a raccoon and a bobcat hit in the same spot. So I was thinking I wonder if that bobcat that come out there and was feeding on that [ __ ] or whatever. And I said, well heck, maybe they just traveling together. Maybe that [ __ ] was leading away and that bobcat get got hit. You know that bob or raccoon was like, "Come on, follow me, Bob. I know where all the pretty women are at. Come on." And they got both got hit on the road. Yeah, that's what Disney would have you believe. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, I got another question here about the calling of coons. You know, you was talking about, you know, where you like to call, u what sound you running, you know, how you set up, what sound you like to run and volume and all that type of stuff and duration. Well, what about after you get done with your raccoon colin stand? How far are you moving in between stands? cuz it doesn't seem like raccoons will really come from a from a real great distance. So what is that distance you're kind of look for looking for that you'll you know move from one spot from point A to point B to make your next stand two two to 300 yards when I'm you know when I'm walking these river bottoms like that that video we just put on the YouTube channel that's what I was doing that day is I just got out and then you know you could go back to your truck and drive a little ways and get out and back and forth but it's because you don't have to move far for [ __ ] a A lot of times if you're in a you know if you've got enough habitat there to make multiple stands, you're more efficient to just walk. So that's what I was doing that particular day was just I was moving two to 300 yards is all I was moving and I was making another stand and I called I made like seven stands in a row called up coons on every stand and I'm just moving two 300 yards. They were calling really good today that I and another another tip if you get one of those overcast cloudy d trying to mist rain or even raining goon calling on those days. Those really those days right there they seem to be really active during the daytime on and when I say active what I mean by that is the coons are already on the ground when you start calling. When they're Yeah. when they're on the ground and they're out there forging around and that that sone is fooling around and those pups are out there fooling around and they're they may be, you know, fishing in the in a mud hole or creek or whatever. They're just fooling around and they're already on the ground. That's when your [ __ ] calling is I mean, usually when you cut it on, you look up and you see the [ __ ] running in. That's the the call been running a minute. And you said that was on your like like dreary rainy type type days. Yeah, those are my favorite. If I could pick a give me a overcast rainy day during the middle of the day that that's my favorite time to [ __ ] call during the daytime. Awesome. Awesome. Will you have any other kind of like expert golden gym tips? Uh, you know, like, you know, something like because that's a good that's a good tip, you know, that kind of focus in on [ __ ] collar. That's something that stands out. And then the other one that we kind of touched on earlier is just just keep in mind that if you go today and you don't call them up, don't let that particular day they just might not been coming. Yeah. And they sometimes they're more active than others. And like I said, you'll I've had days where I I leave the house right now and I go out and make four or five stands and I don't call any up. And then two or three hours later, same day, I go back to the same general area, maybe even the same spots and start again. And I'm calling them. So, you just have to, especially if you're new to it. That's something you've got to keep in mind. You know, test them. It's just like going fishing in a pond. You know, sometimes there are ponds that, you know, if you go fishing things in the middle of the day, you don't catch anything hardly. you go back right at dark and you can catch some big bass out of it. You know, them things are feeding and it's it's similar to to that with the coons is just, you know, hit them at different times and you'll catch them active and when you catch them active, stay on them because you'll call them on most stands. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's great. Great tip. Two awesome tips right there. Um and that's kind of that time frame is is important too. You know, you talking about your season not being in June, basically June through about August, September correlates real real the timeline runs very similar to the coyote stuff as far as their family bust up time frame. If you wait and you start trying to call coons outside of those two time frames, you'll still call coonses, but if you make eight or 10 stands, you may only call one or two [ __ ] That's uh that stuff's fairly important with [ __ ] calling is your your time of the year and making sure you're hitting those target coons that are aggressive deer in that right up time frame or rut time frame. If you call outside of that, you can still call them, but not near not nearly as good. You're you're going to have a blank you're gonna have more blank stands. I've got one small tip to give and this is just personal preference here which like I said I don't have any experience with the summertime raccoon calling but uh I've seen this happen in the fall and winter when calling coons. Uh if you're somebody who would like to shoot a coyote if he came rolling into a raccoon sound you better be packing something that's big enough to kill a coyote. Yes. I don't know how many coyotes I've called up just trying to make trying to call in raccoons. Yes, they will come to these raccoon sounds. One of the the sounds I've probably called I've called a bunch to it this past year u is that co MFK [ __ ] supper. Coyotes love it. They love it. I mean there's was multiple occasions that I called in raccoons uh to [ __ ] supper and I didn't get them all killed. I know there was like one that I'd shot with um I was using TSS, but I had a bunch of nine shot TSS that that was give to me and I you know more than I could ever shoot at turkeys. So I'm like I'm going to start using this to to shoot all these raccoon and stuff. I called one coyote up up out to like 35 yards. I filled him up with number nines. I figured it would crumple him, but that sucker got away from me. Uh, so I started going back. I started shooting uh TSS number fours at at raccoons in case I called up, you know, coyotes. And of course, I did call up coyotes and I'll be able to shoot them and get them down. But if you're somebody, if you want the opportunity, you know, no free passes on the coyotes, they run in on your raccoon stand. I do highly suggest make sure you pack enough gun or bow or rifle or whatever you're wanting to take if you want to kill those kill those coyotes. Yep. That is, you know, you mentioning that [ __ ] calling is what turned me on to [ __ ] sounds being so good and why I started using them some with my coin because I would call in coach while [ __ ] calling. And not only that, people have probably heard me mention it on on other podcast and I don't think it's got popular by any means, but I have called a pile of cats. My best morning of cat calling ever was I was running [ __ ] distress specifically for calling cats and we call up six cats that morning on all of them but one came [ __ ] distress and we cut well I skinned one of them that had a real had some good spots and stuff for this area thing's belly was I mean it looked like it was about to pop I cut it open to see what it'd eat and it had a [ __ ] in it that's what that's what And you mentioned a while ago that that cat getting hit on the road out there by that [ __ ] It very well may have been feeding on that [ __ ] because they do. They like them. I guess our [ __ ] population is so high here that maybe maybe they're a target species or whatever. I mean more than other areas. But either way, whether they are or not, I guarantee you [ __ ] distress will call other predators for you like cats and coats. I've called and I think it was I've actually killed here in Kentucky a bobcat uh during the winter months to a raccoon sound and it was one of those deals where we were calling along a creek and pretty much run or stand out. Um, and I was like, well, I'll switch over to some [ __ ] sound. See if there's something along this creek. Just we'll kill a raccoon. Had 20 gauge shotgun with me with TSS in it. And uh, I think it came to Fox Pros Young Raccoon distresses two or three years ago. Uh, but look up. I mean, we done made like a I can't remember what it was, 15 20 minute stand with bird distresses and everything else. And I switch over to that young raccoon distress just in case there's a [ __ ] close. Here comes a dag on bobcat. shoot it 40 yards with 20 gauge. You know, this the last thing I thought we'd call up as a bobcat, but it sure came in and it could have been coming all along to some of those other sounds and just stayed on out there on the outskirts in the woods that we were we couldn't see. But all I know is when we hit young raccoon distress, the thing came on in. Yeah. And we killed it. You mentioned the young raccoon distress. This will be a I was going to mention it anyway. And you saying that just made me think of it again. But talking about Colin Coats, we have MFK has a similar, it may be even the same name, Young [ __ ] Distress. I think Fox Ross is young raccoon distress down here. I never say raccoon. That's odd to me. Anyway, uh I don't like different different dialect, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's like opossum. People will jump on me for say aum. If you say old possum down here, somebody think something wrong with you. You know, you're from somewhere else. Same thing. Old silent around here, too. Yeah. But anyway, on the young [ __ ] distress now, I don't particularly care for young [ __ ] distress. I've called coons with it and and don't I want to clarify, Foxro's young raccoon distress is excellent for calling coons and will call coats as well. MFK Young [ __ ] Distress. I really like it. It's one of my It's usually one of the [ __ ] sounds that I pick if I'm coyote calling and I want to use a pre distress. We've talked about it before. I'll typically use fond distress or [ __ ] distress during the summertime on coyotes. And I like MFK Young [ __ ] Distress for a coach uh sound. I don't typically use MFK Young [ __ ] distress that much for calling coons because those other ones I mentioned work a lot better. I've I've called [ __ ] I've called [ __ ] with it, but it's not a top pick, but it is a good choice for calling coats. So, if people are calling cows during the summertime and they want to save their rabbits and their birds and like we do, like we've talked about before, that's a good that's a good option that is pretty dang effective for calling up coats. Awesome. And speaking of the [ __ ] calling MFK, you guys just put out um I know you highlight I don't know if it's brand new. You might have been out before, but you just released some [ __ ] calling videos on YouTube, right? Yep. That video is I took my time with it. It's uh it's basically a walk through from getting started with each stand. We're talking about the everything we've been talking about here and then, you know, talking about whatever the tip is and then showing that in action by I'm watching that watching that tonight. It's uh that that video is something that we won't do very often because it's it takes so long to put that stuff together. I think Kate said case Coington does the the editing. I think it took him five hours to edit that video because there was so much stuff to to go through. I was running two camera. It's for somebody that wants uh a visual with everything that we've talked about today. What? And I think it's titled something like best [ __ ] calling how-to video or something. Okay. I think that's what I saw you I saw you talking about the other day, but we we've been traveling. I had a chance to watch it, but I'm going to watch that tonight. And um I guarantee you guys need to go check it out. It' be good in case he need to work a little harder anyway. Everybody took him five hours. He He's been able to coast here for a while because I've been slacking. I've Man, I hate getting behind the computer and I video a bunch of hunts, but to get me to sit down and get them sent over to him, man, I hate that side of it. So, I've been slacking on my end with sending him new content. I've got it piled up. I just hadn't sent it to him. So, he's been able to kind of coast along. Do I remember when put out, you know, stuff that's we've been doing videos so long you can bring one back around that a lot of people hadn't seen before. So, we were doing a little bit of that. But when I did send him new stuff, I got him good because I sent him a big one that he had to had to make up for uh for a little bit. Young fell get to work. Yeah. Yeah. He had to he had to actually use his skills on them. Well, hey, before before we jump off here, uh which everybody knows this now because we've been, you know, pushing it plenty, but uh uh the X360 is out. Um and Tori, uh I know every time I turn it on, I I'm impressed with it every single time. I know you've had them me and you used one a little bit down in Texas. We didn't take it out on many stands. It was one of the prototype units. Uh, but you have got units now. Yeah. And I know you've got your own and you've been playing with it some. It that thing is it's next level, ain't it? Yeah. And and I will be 100% honest. I was I had pretty much made my mind up that I would not be using a 360. You know, it's just I'm not a I'm not a tech guy. I just wanted to play the sound. You know, I want simple and reliable and all that kind of stuff. And I had that in the X24. and you know it's a little smaller the next 360. So I'm thinking to myself, I said, you know, I'm not I'm not going to swap over to the 360. There's not going to be anything about it that's going to impress me enough to get me to swap from the X24 because everybody knows how much I love the X24. And I still And the X24 is an excellent excellent excellent unit. I always will be. I still love it. I will have Yeah, I've got X24 in my truck everywhere. I just I I'll have an X24. Yeah. But yeah, we went we made that Texas Texas trip and you pulled out the 360 and you even tipped me off. You said, "Pay attention to these fights and these vocals on it and and see what you think." Well, there's no question about the difference in it. You hear things. I mean, it was like I was listening to the fights when I recorded them. Yeah. There's Yeah. There's just more to it. There's a lot more depth to it. a lot more detail. Stuff like that catches my attention when the audio, you know, it's one of those things. It's one of those things, too. And I told you that. I said, you're going to hear, and I tell other people this, and a lot of them like, yeah, whatever. But, you know, I tell you, you're going to hear stuff in sound files that you never knew was in that sound file compared to other units. I mean, it's got and and not only do you hear it, the codes hear it. And that's what dang right. Well, that's what that's what really I I said I wasn't going to carry a 360 until I got a 360 in. And then of course, first thing I do is take it and a lot of people probably saw the video that I posted. That's just one of of several others. I mean, I've done a lot of playing with it. But I took it out there. Free range coat. These coats act I get to watch coats just acting like coats triggering sounds. I've been doing this for years now. I've done it with all kinds of models and all kinds of brands because I try to be unbiased and when you see an argument on Facebook over this call sounds better versus this call. Well, what do you think I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get one. I'm gonna get one and I'm going to try it because I want to see how my sounds and how the units that the Fox Pro units that I'm playing my sounds on. I want to see how that stuff stacks up. So, yep. I fool with every bit of that and I get to see the coach's reactions. And in every case, regardless of the brand, regardless of sounds, all that kind of stuff, once the coach gets to the call, if it triggers, sometimes they don't trigger, but if the coat triggers and it gets to the call, they immediately figure out, it doesn't take them but a second, and they figure out that, okay, that's not what I thought it was, and they lose interest. They don't keep coming back to the call. It's usually a pretty quick deal. You trick them, but the time frame from them being tricked to them figuring out something is off is is quick. They get up there, they smell it, it's over with the 360. And this is why I'll be toting one. And if anybody watch the videos, the coats come in there to it. And I think there's multiple things going on right there. For one, it is that audio quality. There are things in the in the sound files that the 360 is putting out that no other unit's ever put out. The coaches hear that and it holds their attention longer. And the way that 360 is putting out sounds all the way around. I think it also confuses the coach because it literally, and you see it in the video, it literally makes the coach do 360s around the call because they cannot figure out when that I think when they get on on the back side of the call and there's sound coming out the other side and sound coming out from underneath it, that coat is having a hard time figuring out that what it's hearing is not legit. And so it holds that code's attention longer. And I've never seen that in all of the testing over the years that I've done. I've never seen a call hold a coach's interest that long. And so that was the selling point for me on, you know, I may not use all of the features of the 360. A lot of people will. Those features are great. I'm just usually not a features guy. But the audio quality alone and the the way it's putting that sound out in 360, it is a difference maker. It It buys more time. It holds a coat's interest longer. You know, can you still take a X24 and and go out and pile up coats? Absolutely. I'd be just as confident if you gave me my X24, I'd be just as confident that I'm gonna go kill coats. But the 360 is even better. Yeah, it was talking about, you know, all that stuff you was talking about holding our attention in there and stuff like that. And I mentioned, you know, you'll hear stuff in that sound file that you never knew was there. And the coyotes will too. You know, we talked about that a little bit in some in some post on an MFK page and and a couple other places. And we've had one or two guys come in there and you know they're on the fence, you know, and it's okay to and I want them to ask questions, but you have a couple guys are like, "Well, what's that mean? You you're saying all your other units just wasn't up to snuff. They weren't good enough to do this or that." No, no, that's not what it is. You got to understand almost every single pretty much every single e-coll unit that has ever been produced will use like some type either just a straight horn speaker or a horn with a cone um a horn and a tweeter. That type of combination stuff. This this unit is totally different. It's got three of the XHD speakers like the X24 and then it has an advanced It has three advanced tweeters. This is the best tweeter we've ever used. This tweeter is in there to help get those ultrasonics and and manipulate that 32-bit audio. But the kicker is the full range speaker. It's on the bottom. It's like a subwoofer and it's a pretty good size speaker and it's on the bottom of that unit and it is bringing out all those lower tones, all those growls, all those lower tones and howls that you have never heard from out of another unit. When all that all those different three different type speakers are combined, it is delivering a sound quality that no other unit by anybody can compare to. It's just it's the it's the best. It really is. is one of those things you've got to hear for yourself before you'll believe what I'm saying. Or or maybe it it takes you hearing it for yourself for it to click. There there is no if anybody argues that then they're just they're just arguing for the sake of arguing because that's and and another thing another thing you know as far and I like I said I've tested all of this stuff on on the coaches and seen the reaction. I think another big deal I think where where the 360, you know, hits a home run big time is the true 360. So you can take I think this is this is part of the difference on why the coach have a hard time figuring out that it's not legit. That 360 is truly putting out sound 360 all the way around the call. At the same time, you can take a directional speaker and whether that call is rotating or whatever feature you use to cast sound in different directions, it is still directional. Even if it spins 360, it's still And so if you even yourself, the coach are having the same reaction to it. When you're behind your call versus to the side of your call versus in front of your call, then you can tell, you know, you hear the change in the directional sound output with that 360. If you stand behind it, in front of it, wherever you stand, you're getting that 360 effect. And I think that's why in that video with the way that code is circling that it just cannot find it's not getting that directional source that they're able to figure out with other units. When they get that directional deal and they get to the side, they whatever it is about it, the coaches figure it out and they know that it's not what they thought they heard and they lose interest. That 360 is literally throwing more sound in more directions than any other unit can. Yeah. And when you you can either you can either you can turn speakers off and make it directional. You can put it in advanced 360 mode where it randomly throws and fade sound from one speaker to another to make it sound like it's moving. Or you can have every all seven speakers rolling. And when it's doing that, it is literally throwing sound in 360 degrees at at all times. And anybody that listened to us do the senses podcast where we were talking about coyote hearing the 360 in that video that I done with that coat made me think of some of that stuff I read about you know how sensitive co's ears are the way they're made all the that differs from our hearing in that they are very sensitive to that's how they locate and pinpoint the source of things that 360 is confusing that code in that you know they're hearing it in way more detail than we are. And even though we can tell it's, you know, coming all the way around 360, that coat can tell that there's something underneath, there's out this side, and it makes that coat look for the source of that. He's trying to figure it out, and he can tell that there's something coming from underneath, and it just it keeps that coat's attention a lot longer. And it's uh it it really is that's what sold me on it. The the reaction of the coat to the 360 is what sold me on I've got to coat one. I mean, yeah, I have to. So, and I'll still have my I'll still have my X24. I killed a CO a couple mornings ago. I wasn't planning on uh I wasn't going co hunting and just happened to run across some and had my X24 in the in the truck and guess what the outcome was the same dead coat. Well, there you have it. And like I said, the X360 is out. It is available. Go find you one. Uh, if you're if some of these sounds we talked about for raccoon calling, if whether you want trying to call raccoons with them or coons down in Arkansas or or if uh you want to use them for for coyote and bobcat calling, you find all those sounds on MFK and FoxPro websites. Like I said, X360 is out. Go find it. 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