Jon Collins sits down with the guys at FatBoy to discuss the company and their products.
Welcome to the FoxPro podcast brought to you by FoxPro Game Calls. We're back again with another episode of the FoxPro podcast and today we're talking tripods. Hunting tripods have taken the shooting world by storm and they are a perfect platform for coyote hunters. Our guests are Casey Cornwell and Connor Sharp of Fatboy Tripods. How you guys doing? Doing great. Thanks for having us on, John. Yep. Yep. I'm glad you guys guys could join could join us. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Won't you guys uh uh tell us a little bit about yourself and then uh and then you can tell us a little bit about Fatboy Tripods, the company. Oh boy. This is a this is a funny story. Like so I uh I have been kind of building tripods since the beginning of uh when the thermal market kind of became big and uh kind of pedled and making a few tripods here and there just to basically stamp a company name and advertise for for my Nuggets nightvision thermal company. And so we we we started there. And then I I kind of met with Connor. Uh he became a thermal dealer as well. And I had reached out to him and we did a little side business back and forth of if he had product and he'd ship it for me or if I had product, I'd fill an order if he could get the sale, you know, just trying to help a guy out. And uh I kind of went to him one day and I said, "Listen, I I see a a uh a missing spot in the tripod game and um if you're interested, I want to start a tripod company." And I'm going to tell you something. It took me some pulling teeth and breaking arms to finally give him to uh give in on me. And uh when he did, we just kind of took it by sto Connor. What did we spend on that first initial uh our prototype of uh the traverse, the first initial trip? I bet we Oh, man. six, eight months of me just OCD going after it and tweaking it and Right. Right. every little niche that was in there, I mean, we went through with a fine tooth comb to get it where it is today. Well, that's what it's what it takes to make a good product. I agree 100%. So that was back in like I want to say probably 20 19 somewhere in there. And uh really what was interesting you know and and to bring this full circle what was really interesting is back then if you look at the tripod well really even the hunting market today the hunting shooting market today is still really in its infancy as it relates to to tripods and stability platforms of course and back then I want to say don't hold me on the exact dates but it was something like 2015 16 somewhere in there is when YouTube and all these outlets started allowing you to monetize and make money. So then you had a whole bunch of guys that were filming from you knowing to shooting competition shooting to military law enforcement applications and then there wasn't a a you know much out there. So the training and the bulk of the lifting as it relates to tripod and stability shooting today really has been done the last two to three years I would argue uh and hadn't previously uh been done. Now, it's almost like today, you know, I think you fast forward 5 years, almost every gun uh new purchase is probably going to leave with with a tripod and in addition to a bipod. So, I still think we're on the wave front end of this wave. And yeah, you're right. The the tripod game for shooting and hunting, u whether, you know, we admit it or not, it it's still pretty young. It's I mean they were early stages of it because I can remember you know I've been filming um and using tripods for man for forever and uh you know way before it was the thing to run a tripod on with your rifle, you know what I mean? So when the when tripods first started making an entrance, I can remember guys talking, you know, they just have whatever this tripod was thrown together and they was trying to push, well, this is the this is the best tripod in the world that you can do this and that and that. And I'm sitting over with the tripods I've always ran for cameras and stuff. I was like, man, you guys don't have a clue. That is a piece of junk y'all trying to But what you guys have came out with those tripods was Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the tripod game started off of the camera market. There wasn't a dedicated a tripod that was presented and marketed to the shooter and that's kind of where we jumped in. It was all just a camera tripod and had everything was a basically you put your camera on there. There wasn't anything that was dedicated to market. Well, that and that's what I'm saying like you know the camera the tripods they would say, "Well, yeah, this is you know you can't get no better." And I'd be like, "Man, I've ran that thing. you couldn't pay me to use it with my camera, you know what I mean? I was like, you know, so what you guys have come out with is dedicated for and they're not just for, you know, what you all have, you know, uh they bridge that gap. I mean, there's they go right into the photography and videography world as well if you want them to. But, uh, you know, I think, you know, one of the reasons that tripods have made such an impression on the shooting and hunting world, I think the number one benefit right off the bat is the stability. It don't get no better than three legs. You know, everybody's been used to using shooting sticks or bipods with just two legs or monopods. How many shooting stickets, John, do you have in your closet? Oh, man. I don't even know if I got them in my closet anymore. They're out there and stuffed in corners of the garage with, you know, spiderw webs and everything else. I I don't care. Used to think that thing was the greatest thing ever when you were like, "Oh my gosh, I got a shooting stick." And you you'd throw that out and pop it down and think you were just as stable as can be and trying to make a 200 yard shot off a shooting stick was uh basically like sending a prayer down through there. Exactly. I actually had It's funny that you say you made that comment how many you have stuffed away in closets and stuff like that. There was actually I was going I was trying to find a set of scope rings the other day. You got a new rifle here. trying to set up. I know I've got brand new packs of scope rings stuffed, you know, all these different places. But anyway, I pulled out this Plano uh you know, one of those little cases that you got. And uh right down inside that thing was uh an old Harris uh 19inch bipod. I think one of those I think it was 19 in what they are. But I was like, "What in the world is this thing doing here?" And y'all everybody's going to think I'm crazy is listening, but I threw those damn things away. I went I th them I put them in the garbage. I don't I was like I will never ever put these back on anything. What's been interesting to watch is uh the progression. So take the last 10 years and and we're kind of agreeing that there really wasn't a lot of clarity until recent. And so if you look like when we launched this thing and you look at our Traverse and Casey and I look back and we're like we joke like man that tripod is freaking way I wouldn't say overbuilt but I mean the height like when we launched tripods the first question was well how tall does it get because I'm 6'5 or 66 or 7 foot or whatever you are and and the idea back then was guys were literally just putting it on there and pulling the trigger. Uh, right. And then now with, you know, all these competitions that have come out, you know, like you got PRS, NRL, sportsman, stuff like that. You're seeing guys doing more positional shooting. And when I say guys, I mean hunting guys to the tactical space and you're seeing more positional shooting and guys building better stability spots. And so the the need like I was actually at a a SWAT range just two hours ago and and you look at these guys that are now they're building very very stable positions and they're not asking for how tall does my tripod get anymore. They just you know so so I think you're seeing the progression come lower uh in terms of overall height on the tripod and what you're seeing is improved accuracy due to you know uh just more education on how to how to shoot from a tripod. Right. Right. Well, well, with that being said, too, you don't you don't need a guy always looks at those specs, and we always me and Connor always argue about that cuz a guy will you might lose a sail because it'll say that it'll go, you know, 6'6 tall. Well, you got to take into consideration you got a ball head on top of there. You got a weapon on top of there and you got a scope on top of that and it really doesn't need to be that tall when you're standing up that high. But guys judge that spec and they need to take into consideration all the stuff on top of there and the scope height and rings by the time they get all that on there. I mean, you're adding 68 in to the top of that. Several inches. Yep. I to I totally totally agree. And it's it's kind of funny. um you know guys talking about the height of these tripods you know how tall will they get cuz I'm you know whoever says well I'm whatever height and that's the thing I think has really changed the game especially when it talk about coyote hunting is changed the game for night hunting cuz before tripods became a viable shooting platform it wasn't nobody standing up in the middle of a field trying to call in coyotes I mean tripods literally made that I mean you were trying to find an old old old fence post or or a barn or something you could prop up into. You know, back then instead of trying to get, you know, now we just run a gun in the dark and we'll throw the tri the gun on the tripod, throw it over your shoulder, walk out to your set and and go. You don't, man, if you told me that I had to sit down coyote hunting in the dark, I' i'd think you were crazy. And that's how and that's how it used to be. I mean, you know, unless you was leaning over like you was talking about up against a barn or laying over a hay bale or a fence post or fence or log or whatever it was with nobody going out there and trying to stand up middle of a field just trying to free arm it, you know what I mean? No, absolutely not. So, it's really ch, you know, it's really changed how people how people hunt, especially when you talk about the nighttime world. I agree 100%. And I think that that what we did too coming out of the gate swinging with the the fat boy lineup is we come out with that that our flagship invert 60 and that like we talked about in the beginning, none of these tripods were really manufactured for a shooting world. It was more a camera. So you had all these extra knobs on your ball head that that would stop it from panning left and right and all these other tensioning knobs. And we just threw that all out the out the door. I mean, we flipped it upside down and then you got complete control of it that way at all times. You don't need all that stuff. Right. Right. No, I to I totally agree. Sometimes less less is more. Um, one thing I think we got to add, you know, was talking about talking about night hunting, how it's changed it. Um, they're not just for night hunting either. You know, a lot of people use them during the day. I think I've proved that myself. Uh, you know, when I started running your all's products, you know, I was I never shot off a tripod. Um, and I was a little hesitant. I ain't going to I knew I knew the stability. I knew the stability was going to be there. Where I was hesitant was, do I want to pack this during the day? Do I need to pack this during the day? You know, me, I'm the bulk of my hunting with my job, I go out and sell film. So, I was already packing a a camera and a camera tripod and all this other gear. like why would I want to pack another tripod? Well, now today I couldn't imagine going without it. I was just getting ready to ask you if he would leave the house without it now. Yeah, definitely definitely been definitely been converted over. Uh and there's a lot of things that people don't really you know the I mean let's face it, they are there is more bulk there than with a bipod or shooting stick or a monopod or whatever. There's there's no doubt just like say a monopod for a tripod or at least three times there. But uh but the the deal is what really surprised me with them and like I said I knew the stability was going to be there. Um but what got me was and opened my eyes was the actual versatility. Um you know I used to do a lot with another company and I'm not would never say anything bad about the other company. They was great but I always talk about how versatile they were. Uh and it was a bipod system. Um, well, good grief. With the ball heads, uh, the leveling heads, being able to adjust, uh, individual legs, be it on uneven terrain, and just anything you can think of. They exceeded, you know, the Fat Boy products exceeded all those expectations. I was so pleasantly surprised. Like I said, I couldn't imagine going make a coyote stand without a tripod anymore. I mean, they really Yeah. I I'm very pleased for sure. Oh, yeah. I mean, definitely appreciate that. I mean, I've there's no shot that I don't have confidence in. You know, when you start talking about which I like calling in coyotes close. I mean, that's my that's my, you know, why I do it. I love the closer the better, just because I literally, not because I can't shoot, um, but it's what I live for. I like be able to see have a coyote so close I can see him blink and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Um, but if I've got to shoot at extended ranges, you know, when you start talking about past 350, 400 yards, now I know there's going to be somebody on here listening say 400 yards ain't nothing ain't no long shot, blah blah blah. Well, guess what? If you're set up somewhere in uneven terrain, the wind blowing 20 m an hour, your heart's pounding because you just called in a fourack of coyotes, you're in an awkward situation where you're having to turn a little bit and twist it up and you got a coyote out there at four plus and he he runs and stops, turns around, looks around and he runs to the left and stops and you've got to rush a shot in. That's a hard shot. those type of shots anymore. You know, you might be waving all over at Coyote if you was trying to run a bipod or a set of shooting sticks, but when you walk into him with that tripod, you've got him. Long as your hold is right, however far out there he is, you going to kill him. You fun to hear. That's great to see that. What's fun for for us to hear is I mean obviously you know you guys get positive feedback from from users and stuff and what's fun for us is uh Butch Whiting uh is is is a buddy at at Krypek and I remember I'll never forget this probably he called uh after I think I don't remember it was on an analopee pun or what? He was on he was he was on an analopee punt. I was actually I actually had a call with Butch and he was he mentioned he said do you know the fat boy guys? I said well matter of fact I do. He said I just used one of their tripods on a on a analopee. It was an analopee hunt was going on all this stuff. And he said tell those guys that I really love their product and I really all this stuff. I said well if you'd like their contact info you can just tell them yourself. So I actually sent sent But your all's contact info. Well that's those are fun. We appreciate it. It's awesome. Like when when guys take their kids out hunting and that's really what it's all about. You take your kids out hunting, you want nothing more than to give them the best opportunity to make a good clean shot. And when we hear those stories from anywhere across the country, those are the memories. I mean, I have five kids. Casey's got kids. You know, as you hear those stories, that is the memorable like that that stuff is that's what that's what keeps us going. At least for me, it is awesome to hear those things. Yep. Man, I had my daughter London at at she was five when I first started shooting off a little 22 uh rifle and she was flanking 100 yards and you know how you know what that made her feel like just being able to hit that far at that and the not only that just the safety presence of knowing that gun wasn't going anywhere after she pulled the trigger. I put one in the chamber and she'd let one fly and hear a clink. And I didn't have to worry about her as I'm teaching her, you know, the instructions of how to operate a weapon to check it if it's unsafe to to make sure that every, you know, last inch of basically molding that into her brain before she pulled that trigger of all the things she should run through and after. uh just knowing that it's there where she can look at me and let go of it and and get some coaching, it's just a game changer uh to be able to do that, especially for teaching side of things. Yeah, I I 100% agree. I think I think the pros of a tripod, you know, they're just almost endless. Uh taking youth hunting, just like you said, uh being and you know, let them being hands-free, letting a tripod hold that rifle for them. And plus, if you're shooting a firearm, it's got just a little bit of kick to them. Uh kick to it, you know, it helps absorb that. And that's huge for a for a young person. It's huge for me. I don't like recoil. And it's not just being hands-free for youth, just like us coyote hunters. There's a lot of stuff that goes on on a coyote stand. Uh and it happens fast. Yeah. You're handsree to run your remote. You're handsree to run a set of binoculars or whatever you're wanting to do. Um, I like I said, I think the pros when you start talking about that type of stuff and thinking about it, it's pretty much endless. And it's not and it's even with um the pros. I mentioned versatility earlier. That's another thing too when we were we were talking about how it's changed how tripods have changed night hunting where people will stand in the field and shoot. And I think this is worth mentioning when we was talking about versatility is you don't have to stand and shoot. You can sit and shoot with a tripod. You can, you know, kneel and shoot with a tripod. You can even go prone and shoot with a tripod. I have stopped sighting my rifles in off of a bench. I I literally verbatim use the tripod because that's what I'm going to be using out there. So, I sight in off of that tripod before I go, you know, when I put a new scope on something. That is my go-to every single time. It's not on a bench. It's it's on a tripod now. And I see a lot of guys in pictures and videos and stuff online. They just got a new thermal scope or a new rifle scope and you see in the background, you know, that they are sighting in off that tripod. And that makes a guy feel good, too, that they are that confident in the stability of that that tripod to make that shot and know that they can zero that weapon by locking it in. And on top of that, John, I mean, you touched on uh the kids and being we touched on the kids. We had uh um the versatility of that unit. We had uh Miss Carol Clark with the National Kids Outdoors. Uh we we we send them and sponsor their their organization. They give back to some less fortunate kids. And we had a young man shoot a oh my gosh, I forgot what size that deer was. 200 I'm I'm guessing here. 260 270 inch deer off of that tripod sucking through a straw. and how how crazy it was to see that happen um was I mean heartwarming as heartwarming can be you know that's that's what it's all about not you know the thousand you know selling you know 100 or thousand tripods it's that kind of story that will be told forever off of something that we we put together Connor and I it's it's it's awesome to see that kind of stuff yeah it is that is that and that is that is cool hearing about somebody like that taking such to take it any animal really, but especially one of that caliber. Oh, 100%. Yeah, absolutely. And you touched on, you know, being able to capture that with the and having your bipod or your your binoculars and being hands-free. Man, you took that side chick or our thick grip and you throw that around the on the tripod or the leg of the tripod. I mean, if we touch on that side chick there, uh, you want to film your daughter or son's first deer or first coyote in the day or something and you have that recoil or that gun go off, I don't care how stable a guy you are, if you're holding on to that, you're going to jerk just a tiny bit, at least a little bit. When you got that side chick locked in there and you lock it down the barrel and you have your phone in there turned on on video mode, dude, it captures everything everywhere on that invert 60 that that thing moves. that that side chick goes with you and it captures that entire moment for you. It's just an awesome piece to add to that equation. Yep. Well, tell us what that side chick actually is. I I like the side chick. I didn't start running it until this summer. Um, one of the reasons you all sent me one and I hadn't put it on the tripod yet and man, it got it was like July or something. I was wearing my lanyard with my remote stuff on there and I was just like underneath that lanyard around my around my neck. It was just sweat just rolling out there. I was like, "Good grief." I said, "I wish I could take this stupid lanyard off." And I was like, "Wait a minute. I got that I got that side chick thing. I'm going to screw it in on this tripod and see what that's all about." That's that is awesome. I love that. So I when I would go in, I'd actually carry the lanyard as I was walking in and as soon as I get on stand, I'd jerk that remote off that lanyard, take that lanyard off and throw it on the ground and and put that thing right in the side chick. And like you said, it was just another another form of being hands-free and having that remote right there, just right there in front of me, easy to grab a hold of and easy to change sounds, push buttons, whatever I needed to do. But tell tell these guys what the side chick actually is. So, the the side chick, most of our names we get, that's probably one of the questions we get the most is like, how do we name our stuff? And usually it's somewhere between a group chat with like Casey, me, Bayer, Gonzalez, Nick, Neighbor, few. We just like kind of throw out some random names and eventually something it's always the 11th hour sticks and side chick I'm pretty sure came from Bayer cuz we're like what are we going to do with this? What do we call it? He's like dude it's a side chick. It sits right on the side of the freaking tripod and he says doesn't everybody love a good side chick. That sound like some old speed that sounds like some old Speedy Gonzalez would say it might. But uh so the so the basis on the side chick is is a fewfold. Um as it relates to hunting applications, it's just I mean you get it. There's so much stuff in your hand when at some point it's like it's just a mumble jumble of crap and you're like where's it all going to go? So you get on stand and it feels like you're dropping everything. You know if you got a bag over here, you got this over here and there's no clear concise way, especially in the dart to really keep track of all that. Uh at least for me. So, the side chick was, okay, we're going to put a remote, a call, um, you know, during the day, you put a Kestrel, you can put whatever you want on that thing. Um, so far is you can even unscrew the edge of the end of the side chick, screw in a Garmin, uh, if you're trying to chrono a rifle. Yep. So, applications in the hunting world really are endless. Uh, anything from self-filming to holding stuff to We're on our second uh, iteration of the Side Chick. Um, so always looking to improve it, but really the goal there is just organizational management. There's quarter20 threads on most every corner of the tripod. I mean, you can't miss them. And so you can even screw them into the invert 60 ball head, have your dope cart or your remote or whatever's going with you. Um, so applications really are are personal preference and endless. I've I've I've used it the Fox Pro TX1000 fits in there perfect. The new TX2000 fits in there perfect. I don't know how many pictures I took with the thing. Uh when I go out and self film and don't bring my picture taking camera, my mirrorless camera, I'll grab my cell phone out and I'm always looking for something to prop it up against or whatever to get a picture in the field. I'm like, I just use this side chick now. So, if y'all ever see me with pictures without my tripod in the picture, it's because it's taking a picture. I've I've got my cell phone in that side chick cuz it you can you know you can position it just perfectly however you need it and it'll take a picture for you. So back to the uh the simplicity that's what we did. We did the simplicity. Not to interrupt you there. Sorry, but the uh we go back to the the the tripod being simple to operate. Everything's simple. We just simplified everything. The simpler it can be when you're out there in the field, the more effective you're going to be on that hunt. And that side chick just makes it that much more simple to toss your remote in there where you're not bending over to to, you know, maybe look through this the rifle scope and then there goes the remote swinging into the tripod leg and banging and clanging. Yep. Yeah. Just the simplicity of it's just that's what the key of everything is. Yep. Yep. Y'all got anything else you want to say about the side chick? It's I think it's a very I was just going to say I mean really side chick's a whole lot cooler way of saying selfie. You know what I mean? Oh, it is for sure. At the end of the day, we all like cool guy pictures and it helps all of us in what we do. So, you know, you got to take a manly approach to that and selfie wasn't going to work its way in there. So, side chicking. That's right. That's right. Well, let's let's talk about the let's talk about the tripods. Uh, you know, currently in the Fat Boy lineup, you guys have two different tripods and two different configurations. You've got the uh the elevate in a three-section model and a two section model and you've got the traverse in a three section and two section. Won't you all talk about the uh the traverse first? Tell us about that. Oh, the traverse came out right away when me and Conor Yeah, I hit Connor up about starting the old fat boy tripods. And the main goal of why it was started is when you're out running and gunning, you know, we with the way we coyote hunt, we use a camper shell on the bed of the truck and we've got a a platform on top of there um above that basically you can open the window and I have to give credit to old Aussie Clemens on that. um the uh having the platform so you can open that window up and just grab your tripod and slide it out. So, what we found um over the years of of coyote hunting is when you'd go grab that one leg and you'd you pick it up in the air and you'd go to shove that back in to get back in the pickup and take off to your next set is them legs would inadvertently cross. So, you would go one would go inside of the other one and it was just an aggravating frustrating thing that just seems so simple of why does this thing do that? Why would a guy ever need to take that leg on the inside of the others to uh to set up? I mean, there is no valid reason across any platform of a tripod to do it that way. So, we um we, you know, came out with that traverse and its biggest thing was our our motto is, you know, don't cross, you know, thick ripping her legs, don't cross. And that set the precedent pretty much for the game of tripods from there on out. Once those tripods were launched and everybody realized that it was such a simple problem that everyone was having with the legs on it on on any tripod on the market once that was, you know, advertised of why are why we were here. I mean, it was just a no-brainer. I mean, when you didn't have that to mess with and flopping around like that. And the same with like I told you, we went OCD when we launched that Traverse. If you take our tripod and you fold it up, the reason we have the big rubber beefy leg locks, not only so you can get a good pull on there with a glove on, is when you fold that dude up, nothing bangs and clangs. You're you're touching on all your rubber points. So that when you're walking in a stand, you're not hearing that plastic or that carbon fiber slapping together or or any other, you know, plastic products that some other companies might use on on like say to where the spikes are or the feet or anything. It's all rubber. So that keep that that nice and quiet so you can stock in on something. Yep. So that was the biggest reason that the traverse was invented and then it just kind of flew from there. Yeah. Then you then you guys come out with the elevate. what's the main differences between the elevate and the traverse? So, yeah, sure. Um, and so when you look at again the lineage, as I referenced back from the beginning of the conversation, that was really what the market in our opinion wanted. So, Casey and I sat down and looked and said, "Okay, fine. Of every tripod that's out there, what do we like? What don't we like? And how do we move this thing?" Because when we set out to design anything, we're not trying to just add a skew to the market, right? Anyone can do that. So, what we're trying to do is enhance or improve the market in in some capacity, such as the legs don't cross, you know, built-in spikes in the feet, um, all sorts of features. And so, moving into the Elevate, we were getting the question a lot of like, hey, we like your and fully recognized here. Our tripods are are beefy, like fully recognized on the Traverse. Yeah. and and and the elevate and guys were saying, "Hey, listen. We're having a hard time, you know, uh extending legs quickly or it's hard to do in the dark or, you know, you got to bend the tri like or at least I do. You kind of like tilt the tripod a little bit on two legs and then you pull one hoping to done, you know, just all there and then you pull the leg down. By the time it's all said and done, you darn near blew the whole stand or Honda. Right. Right. And uh and so we just figured there's got to be a better way to do this. Now, not that not that any of us would ever screw up and blow, you know, and mess a stand up. I Yeah. Never have I ever had a yard sale on a stand, right? Yeah. So, with the elevates, guys, um specifically in the hunting were asking for a quicker deployment mechanism. Um something that just seemed to work better. Now, when and it's hard to probably get this across on a on a podcast, but when guys see an elevate for the first time in an inverted tripod and you unlock the legs and you physically see this aha moment in their eyes when you unlock the legs and you lift it up and they're like, "Oh, I get it." You know what I mean? Yep. And you can make changes on the fly without picking up the legs off the ground. That was the biggest thing is you need to if you need to go down, you know, two inches on your front leg because you you know how how us farmers are when we can we can farm as close as we can to that fence fence line. We're going to we're going to farm as close as we can to it and there's going to be a hump of dirt between you and the neighbor there. And if you get on there and you have permission on both sides that that hump of dirt between the fence from the neighbors and yourselves, you're going to have a a four or six inch raise and elevation there compared to the other two. So you can make that quick adjustment on the fly. Yep. Yep. Well, you know, we was talking about uh I mentioned versatility earlier. Actually mentioned it a couple different times, but um the Elevate is my personal favorite. I like the three se the three section Elevate. And the reason is is because they're both solid. They're both there's no difference in my opinion in the, you know, how solid of a platform they are between a Traverse and Elevate. The biggest differences I see is the Elevate has inverted legs. So like guys to picture this, you guys listening and you haven't checked these out yet, your your controls to unlock and lock down your legs are up on top instead of down to bottom. And talking about the versatility was talking about, you just kind of mentioned it being on uneven terrain. Well, think about not just a hump. Think about like in my part of the world here in Kentucky or a lot of this western ground you get out in Wyoming and and some of these other states uh where you might be sitting up on a hillside during a day. I'm talking about like a a 4 one slope or 3:1 slope or even sometimes 2:1 slope. Uh what I'll do is just, you know, if I have to, I just unlock every leg and your your tripod is free and all you have to do is look at your level. uh bubble on top and just move your top of your tripod around till you see that level bubble get exactly right. Then just reach down and tighten all your legs and you've got it leveled up. And I know it took a long time to say that, but that actually can happen very quickly instead of going around and trying to adjust each leg individually. Just go ahead and loosen up all three legs. Move that top around and get it level and lock her right back down and you're ready to rock and your levels can be as solid as can be. Yes. It's awesome. Do you remember uh a good analogy that I've kind of relayed is remember those toys we used to play with when we were kids? Those pin uh basically like those pinhole things you put your hand in and it kind of mimics your hand. That's how I feel on these tripods is you just unlock the leg and it physically fits to the terrain. You don't have to really do much if you want to just wiggle it a little bit to get your, you know, sitting position or something like that. But on balance, it it literally just fits to the terrain. And that that's where we've had a lot of success with the Elevates and and why they've been so popular. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, I uh you you guys offer four different tripods essentially right there. You got the Traverse and Elevate uh one both of them and offered in a two section and a three section. You know, I guess it's just personal preference what you would rather run and what works out best for you. And I think you just got to take a hard look at that to see which one will will fit your hunting needs the best. Uh but for the style hunting I do, I might be on a stand where I'm sitting directly on the ground, you know, right on my butt on the ground and maybe even lower. You know, if I need to lay down, I can uh and I might be sitting in a chair, sitting, you know, just like in a short turkey style chair or might be sitting in a stool or I might be standing. So that three section elevate just covers every single thing I needed to do and it's just as solid from setting directly on the ground or if I'm having to stand it it's just it's well since you ran that Elevate 3 and and that's your your goto. I mean you probably I'm sure you ran the Elevate 2 as well. There is no difference like you touched on the stability. Now we get that question about every week. You know what's the stability difference between the Elevate 3 and the Elevate 2? Now, on paper, you go to five, six, 800 lb, you're gonna you're gonna that where maybe something might come in, uh, where the Elevate 3 may have a difference of stability. But for every gun out there, and I don't care if it's a 50 cal or or anything that big, you're not going to notice a difference in stability between the Elevate 3 and the Elevate 2. The only difference is its height and how how low it collapses. and you got two section of legs to work with instead of one with the Elevate 2. That's the only difference is height, not stability. So, let me ask ask you guys this. Just like say I'm a new customer, like one of these guys that's listening is not in the tripod world or maybe they're looking for a new tripod and this question I'm sure comes up a lot. They might say, "Hey, hey Casey and Connor, I really like this Elevate. I like those uh inverted legs. I'm having a hard time deciding between a three section and a two section. Why should I go with one over the other? What would be that's an easy answer and I'll give it the same answer almost every time. I always ask him is this is your dedicated coyote hunting uh tripod and you know standing up tripod or are you going to go try to sit in a box blind and use it to deer hunt as well? You know, you sit on in a box blind be you know in an office chair or some kind of chair inside of a box blind. The two section Elevate 2 is going to be it'll do it, but it's right there at where you where it might be just a tiny bit too tall for a guy, you know, a younger kid or something where the Elevate 3 gives you that versatility to collapse a little bit farther down or, you know, if you wanted to have it sit on your rear and not have to extend those legs out into a prone position or something. That gives you that versatility over the Elevate 2. Now, a dedicated coyote hunter guy, and I'm sure Conor Connor has said the same exact thing that if I'm dedicated coyote hunting, uh, at night where I'm standing, um, I'm going two section. I got that's one less thing I got to mess with is is a three three leg section, right? Simplifies it just a little bit more. If you're never going to be in a low position, why why have the three section, right? You betcha. A lot of John uh also too is you know if it it depends if it's an end user or like a guide or an outfitter. A lot of the guides and outfitters prefer the exact same and they prefer two sections so they can control most of the variables a little better. Yeah. Um but again that's also situational based. Most of the guys down south again I'm in Nebraska so up here kind of hit or miss. Most guys tend to go three, but down south it seems we sell a lot of twos to guys that are truly doing the outfitting and like pig operations and and and other stuff. Yeah. And that's and you know, you guys kind of already covered it, but that's the reason I do prefer the three section is because it's just because the variety of uh shooting positions I might find myself in. I mean, I literally might go to a place that that rolls pretty hard or if I sit down, it really cuts my visibility down. And if I was standing or, you know, standing versus sitting on the ground or sitting in a stool, if I would stand, I could see a lot more and it might mean the difference between getting a coyote killed or not. So I literally might go from actually set my butt on the ground up against a tree or fence post to sitting in a chair and like I said, all the way up to standing in the three section, it just covers all that just so perfectly. So that's the reason I I run in. Good. I would agree with 100% of that, too. I mean, that's just nature of the beast and the facts there that just having it the versatility being able to get lower and that's what you need and that that's what fits you. Yep. Well, let's talk about Go ahead. No, no, you go ahead. I I was going to say that we did miss when we went from the side chick, we missed that that new product we just came out with that thick grip uh that we since we're talking about simplicity. That thick grip is kind of on the same page as the uh the side chick, but it fits all three sections of every single leg and it comes with a sticky back arc plate. So you can smack that dude on the back of a Kestrel on the back of the remote, the FoxPro remote. Um any remote or any other even your phone if you wanted to store it there, you can put that dude right there and have it right on your leg. Um we got guys that are, you know, taking their spotting scope at a match and they'll take that off the off the trip off the ball head. They'll slap their gun into the ball head and they'll smack that uh that spotting scope right on the side of that that thick grip because it's got Arca-Swiss with Pikatini right available to it right on the leg. So, you're not throwing that dude on the ground or back in the backpack. It's right there ready ready to go and you just unlock that lever and you can swap it back out. I mean, it's it's a fantastic little unit as well. I I like that. I've got I've actually got this here and I have not used it yet, but I have been playing around with it here in the office. I would try one time to slap that uh that sticky back on the back of your remote and having that there. And we when I was doing the test running of it, um I I I text Connor at like 2 in the morning uh during one of our coyote hunts up here. And I told him it was just the best thing since sliced bread because I never even put my remote back on the lanyard. I just left it on the leg the whole time. I'd throw it back in the bed of, you know, the back of the truck, slide it back out. And what the beauty behind it as well when you're running an elevate tripod, um, you don't, one, one thing you don't get, and I'll touch on that too real quick, is you don't get the the the foam pad. Now, guys, you could put it on the bottom leg, but when you fold that, you know, you slide that tripod back up, that foam pad would be in the way because it wouldn't be at the top. But having that right there, I knew every single time when I pulled that tripod out of the truck, that was the left leg where I stood um right every single time. And that that tripod had the remote already attached to it, ready to go. And again, I didn't have anything hanging off my neck. I just grabbed it, threw my gun on it, threw it over my shoulder, and off we went. Made you a little more efficient. Mhm. Every little bit. You actually got one of the original. I think that thick grip you got over there says THICC on it, does it not? I think so. Yep. Yep. I think I think those are the collectors. That was uh that was a whoops that we realized after the fact. So, uh I had to put that on eBay. Maybe we can special edition. No, I'm holding on to it. I ain't getting rid of it. He's I don't blame. Well, let's Hey, let's talk about uh one of the biggest questions I get is about the heads. You know, we covered the the tripods, the legs themselves. Uh y'all got several different head options uh for your fat boy tripod. Y'all want to cover those real quick? Sure. Um so, when let's talk again lineage on this whole thing. So, the invert 60 um was the first ball head that we released. We now have the inverter 60 50 40 levitate level head and then there'll be future iterations of all of those things. But the reason why specifically and the question we get is why the invert 60 like why inverted? And if you look at all of the other style heads that are out there, you know, you've got the the ball, then you've got the stem and then you've got the little platform and then your guns on top of that, right? By moving and doing the opposite of that, you're lowering the center of gravity closer to the apex of the tripod. So, you're improving stability. Number one. Number two is and and I have a collection of them myself, but on the other heads that are out there, I think there's just a lot going on. And in real world applications, aside from, you know, maybe some PRS matches or spotting or some law enforcement, military applications, there's very few times where something is physically walking in a perfect horizontal line right across the the the horizon, right? So, you're always tracking a little bit and you need some movement up or down or right or left, whichever way you need to go. And so, for us, we said, "Okay, fine. Back to the point of improving the industry, we thought that the paying feature was not relevant. I wouldn't say relevant, that's not the right word. Was not a requirement in the shooting world. It's it's not Yeah. You didn't need another knob. Exactly. So, we we went away from that. And and there are guys that the first time they use that, they're like, it is it can be confusing the first time you use it. It's it's a new skill, literally. And once you get your brain wrapped around it, it's just a quarter twist. And and we all have our own preferences, but in my case, what I do on that is whether it's a heavy OP gun or if it's a light rifle or whatever it is, I I keep most of the tension on there. Like there's always going to be a level of slip and that's by design. We get that question a lot too. If you lock our head down and you truly do torque on the back end of that thing at a at a poundage that is unnecessary, like your platform's already stable and then you want to go keep crank on it. Yeah, you can have some slippage in there. But unbalanced, guys are putting most all of the tension. They're mostly locking it to where the gun's stable. And then if they need to make follow-up shots, it's just a little bit twist just with your fingers and then you're back on target and you can lock in or you don't you don't have to fully lock in. Think the more time a guy spends with the ball head having not a pan knob on it and just the one knob, the more they're going to not lock that down long term. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes 100% sense to me. So, you just don't need all that other stuff on there. Yeah. I mean, certainly you can make the argument that Yeah. And I get it that guys are like, well, you know, here's the reasons for pay. I get it. We get it. but improving the industry for most people. Casey and I felt that yeah, this is probably going to help move things along a little bit and and just create a better experience. And so with the 6050 and the 40, which is really a spot or a glasser, um the 6050 are are basically the go-tos. Um and so the difference on those things just comes down to what are you trying to accomplish? Um are you trying to use our tripods and and you know, whatever? Are you using maybe just the head and someone else's tripod? Like what are you doing? So people like options which is why we have the 6050. Um I really personally like the 50. Um it fits great. We'll talk about some future products coming and it's going to fit well with those too. Uh pause. Casey, do you have anything to add on the inverts? Um the side chick ability. You could add that side chick right to the side of that dude. Yeah, you can. There is a quarter20 thread right on the side of the invert. Uh, and then again, they're just going to follow you around. Now, does that all make sense, Josh? Any questions on the No, that that that makes perfect sense. Like I said, you've got and so everybody's following along. They've got three separate ball heads. And that 40, 50, and 60 are all different size ball heads. And And why And if you guys don't care, just go ahead and tell them real quick. Why do you offer three different ones, three different sizes? So basically, it's just a basically a smaller rifle platform. You know, you always don't you may not be shooting a 24 pounds weapon off of it. You may just be shooting a little AR-15 that's lightweight rig, lightweight, you know, or like my daughter was shooting a little 22 off of it. I don't need an invert 60 for that. So, it's just, you know, it simplifies it a little bit. A little bit smaller platform, lighter weight. Um, and Connor touched on it, you know, that it'll make sense to on some future uh products that we have coming as well, but that that just having the ability to basically a different weight pattern. I mean, it's just a weight class. You got your lightweight, middleweight, and heavyweight boxers out there, you know, it's the same same concept behind that. It kind of goes off the gun. And we and we pushed the invert 40 basically for a guy that's going to not need a uh a heavy rifle on there. He's basically going out glassing uh for a spotting scope. And it's a lighter weight thing that he can throw on, you know, and lighter weight on on his gear to pack in. He's not doesn't have that big 60 to mess with. And you know, they they all operate exactly the same. you know, that knob, if you were to have a weapon, say on the 50 or the 60, that knob never leaves your left or right hand next to the stock there, um, your handguard, it's always there. No matter where you point that weapon, it is always in the same spot every single time. So, you can go right back up to it. Just like second nature when you go to pick the gun up and shoot freehanded, it's always in that same spot where it feels comfortable and natural. Uh, it's always there and it follows you wherever you go. Yep. Yep. Well, y'all also have a level head in the Fat Boy lineup called the Levitate. That's my personal favorite. I've probably ran that at least 85% of the time. Uh y'all want to talk about that? I really like it. I like it for I think it's perfect for daytime hunting. It's great for night time. How do you shoot off of that that levity? Where do you put that lever? I'm just I'm I'm c genuinely curious because a lot of guys have different preferences on where that lever is located underneath the tripod. Well, I'll have it how I'll have it positioned when I put it in the bowl of the tripod. Uh to unlock it, you know, you'll pull it or push it or whatever you want to do to unlock it. I have it where I'll pull it back towards me. So, it's like when I unlock it, I'll pull on it and it's it's directly to me. Okay? So, if I want to lock it back down, I'm pushing it directly away from me. Be able to blow. Go ahead. When I set And when I set up on stand, uh, usually what I'm doing, uh, is I'll set it in there, free it up, and move around a little bit, and then I bump just a little bit of pressure back on it. And that's where I run it. The uh, I might be able to change, you know, teach an old dog new tricks on that that levitating how I run it. And again, y'all the ex y'all the experts. I want to learn. Tell me. Tell me. I I've got my ink pen right here. So Aussie came into the office one day and we were trying that Levitate out and we were going through it and he he really liked it and he said, "Well, why why are you running it that way? That doesn't that seems silly. I want you to wrap your left thumb around your left tripod leg and put that lever and position it where your fingertips are so you can anchor your left arm on that tripod and you manipulate that lever in and out with your fingertips. Oh, game changer that it just changed the whole entire game of that levitate that head. And I absolutely love it in that position because I can again anchor my left thumb on the on the tripod leg and I manipulate the pressure of that lever on the levitate with my fingertips. I can I do the exact same thing you do is I get it locked in. I get to my set. I set it down. I loosen all the way up. Point the gun down range where I think that, you know, all the action might might start from and I'll barely give it a little bit of tension. And what that has created is drag. So, I can let go of that, dude. My gun stays put. And if I need to take a quick peek in the left corner of the field, I don't have to touch the lever. I just move and look. And then I go right back to center or I might put it to the right and look. And I don't ever really mess with that lever once I get it set in my, you know, my position of of drag where I like it. I don't touch it unless I'm shooting a long distance coyote. Then I'll lock her down to lock to lock it on down. Yeah. Yeah. I never rarely ever ever have it locked fully down. Maybe just for transport and stuff like that, but when I'm on stand, it's never locked fully fully down. Now, I shouldn't say it's never. There has been times where got a coyote out there that's got a little bit of distance on it that, you know, I'll settle in on it and go ahead bumper on down, lock it down just to make sure I'm 100% stable. But, but that's rare. I mean, cuz it's so stable. I mean, you can free the thing all the way up and it's it's pretty dag on it's going to be more stable than any tripod or any bipod or shooting sticks you've ever ran, right? You try that dude to the side sometime, John, for me. Try that try that lever to the side one time and let me know your thoughts. You may not like it, but when you, you know, how you said you you locked it in sometimes on a long distance kay? Well, your hand's already positioned as an anchor on your left leg, then then you don't have to take your hand off the lever and then go over to a leg to anchor. It's already there. Yeah. I I think you already I bet you were sitting there thinking said, I'm going to get one up on John. I bet he think has that thing where it's set straight where he can pull it straight towards him. Push. I'm going to get him. I like the idea. Makes total total sense. And for if anybody's not really following, what he's talking about is angling that to your I guess we would call it your non-shooting hand or your weak hand. You know, if you're right-handed guy, you're shooting with your right hand, but you're talking about having that lever facing where you can push on it with your just your fingers from your left hand being on the left tripod leg, right? Or vice versa if you were. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's cra that's that's good stuff. That's that's those little golden nuggets that uh people tune in the podcast to to learn from. That's a good one right there. Thanks for sharing. If we can touch on John, why? Because a question arises a lot of why the levitate level head like why
Right. Sure. Well, and go ahead. Yeah, go. Yeah, go ahead. I think that's cuz I get that's probably my number one question u that I get uh when people reach out to me. I said, "Man, I see you're running the Fat Boy stuff. I notice you're running the the Levitate instead of the ball heads. Why?" So, I get it a lot. So, I think it's a great thing to cover. They worry about the specs on that way too much because it says 15 degrees of angle. Y I don't know. I I'm sure you've maxed it out to the ground just to put it there, but you can literally shoot a coyote at 10 feet with that gun pointed straight at, you know, that 15 degrees of motion. It sounds like it's not enough, but man, I am telling you, it is plenty of motion to be able to shoot. I get asked I get asked that. That's that's what because I'll just, you know, I'll rattle off, you know, why I like it better. And and there's no really no con to the to the ball head types, but it's just, you know, it's a lot got to do with personal preference for one thing, but I'll always get that question after I tell them is like, well, I know you're on a bunch of hilly terrain. Do you never get in a situation where you don't have enough angle to shoot at a coyote that's below you or maybe above you that's going that's up on a hillside? I've never ran into that situation. I've never ran into that. Not even close to being maxed out to not be able to shoot a coyote. Dropped the leg a little bit. But exactly. But going back to the the fundamental difference of ours as a fat boy levitate relative to the industry, you know, the industry and I I I started on a level head personally 10 years ago and the I just like them. Uh, you know, I don't know if it's cuz there's just flat in Nebraska here or what, but you know, it's just cuz it's so low to the apex, you feel stable. You feel way more stable closer to the apex. That's one of my That's one of my reasons there is is it it takes out you was you were talking earlier about uh people don't take in account when we're talking about height and height in a tripod legs. Once you put a ball head and your rifle on top of that, you gain several more inches. Well, I don't need all the extra inches. So, that is one of the reasons I prefer the Levitate is it's closer I'm closer to the to the legs. I'm it's it's a shorter platform for me. Additionally, on that, when you take the other level heads that are on the market, they're all derived from uh the similar concept, right? Like, you I still have my originals. I mean, we all keep all the old favorites around and stuff, too, and I still got the originals. the the traditional level head that exists on the market and everyone other than ours is it's it's where you twist and I'm trying to make this so it makes sense to hear but basically it's a it's a bowl and a stem and the stem you twist the stem to release pressure on the bull and then you are moving the gun the gun's locked into that. So basically you're you're you're the the stem is acting as a joystick if you will uh with the gun on top. And so as you move your hand the gun's moving and and what we found is that you know I kind of got fat hands here and I I can't always get that to make sense you know and so what I'm finding is like I'll try to move it and then I'm using my other hand to try to twist it maybe with one or two fingers. And so ergonomically uh there there it was just awkward. Uh it was goofy. And so with ours, what we did was we took the stem and we effectively broke it in half uh for simplistic reasons. And the bottom of the stem will break open at a 45 degree angle. And that stem can be rotated as Casey was saying earlier and we've been talking about anywhere on the tripod. Now I also run it about the 930 position myself. Um but ergonomics is no longer an issue. um you're not bumping your hand into the back corner of a leg or something like that or then you're trying to move the tripod to make space. You don't need to do that. Um you just literally use the stem uh as you prefer and there's a set screw in the middle of the stem where the stem breaks at a 45 and you can add tension or remove tension to your liking. Now, we found is that the guys um the newer shooters I would say uh would they still prefer like I think they tend to move at tension too much. I think the guys that are using this more and are more comfortable um with uh level heads tend to have more tension. At least in my case, I do. I tend to max that thing out. So there I don't need a lot of movement, right? Like you shouldn't really need a bunch of free floating movement on your rifle. That's not that you don't want that anyway. You know what I you want it locked in to where you can still move it. Um, you can track, you can do follow on shots, you can do all those things. So, in the case of me, uh, I just like it where there's max tension. You can, you know, hit it once or twice with your finger and your guns locked in and you can take take long shots. But, right, fundamentally, um, we felt that that was an improvement to the industry, uh, just to make it more comfortable and a pleasing experience. Yeah. And I, you all hit it out of the park with it, too. If it was the other style, I would have zero interest in running a a level head. I'd be a ball head guy. Not that I don't like the ball heads. I still run the ball head every once in a while, but features like that is the reason that it kind of pulled me towards uh the Levitate and especially I've got a little extra going on on a coyote stand than than most people were cuz probably 80% of my hunting I'm 100% by myself and self and filming it, self- filming it. So, I've got um it's almost like a crutch, I guess, that level head is because you could get into a time where you accidentally took too much tension off on a ball head and all a sudden your rifles kind of flopped over to the Yeah, exactly. Well, I can totally I could accidentally bump that handle on the level head where it completely freeze it up and you still got all kinds of tension. And that is that has saved me a bunch of times. And that is just one less thing that I've got to worry about is with that lever. You touched on it there. You know how much more stable you are when you put uh a quarter bit of tension on that lever and you got that drag behind you and you got you dump that first coyote and his partner goes barreling across the field. That drag on there keeps you nice and steady in in your movement left, right to left, and you're not flopping all over. You got it. And it's not flopping all over. Uh, you know, when you unlock it on a standard ball head, I mean, all of a sudden, when that tension comes loose and you got pressure on your shoulder, you're going to have that jolt. Then you're catching back up trying to find where he's at. You don't have any of that. when I watch when I watch these thermal video clips, you know, because they're being filmed through a guy's scope. So, you're seeing everything that they're seeing and I can see everything. Uh, you know, I can I can imagine what's going on. Say they call in a pair of coyotes, two, three coyotes, four coyotes, whatever it is, and they dump that first coyote and they go to try to get on the next one. I can tell you right off just immediately if that guy's running a ball head or a leveling head. Isn't that crazy? You can 100% tell how they get on that second coyote. It's if it's a ball head. I'm not saying everybody, but a lot of times it's a lot more jerkier and sloppier going past and back to it and back past the the other way with a guy that's got a level head. He's just as smooth as can be and just, you know, just floats right into that coyote and right past it and bang and it rolls up. It's just total It's so much more smoother. Well, if you're like a guy like me in in in Illinois where you can't have those nice hush puppies on the end of your rifle and that second coyote is a gosh darn moving when that first first bullet comes out of the gun. That second one is rolling. You heard what I told you. You need to move out of there. I can't believe I told you I would if we could move farm ground. We would.
Yeah. But that touches back on to John. How do you say that smoothness? You know, I got to go back to the inverse 60 5040 and uh you know, when we talked about them, same concept with that. The bigger the ball, the slower that that that's going to take off on you when you unlock. You got a 40 mm, it's going to be a lot faster. And that's why it's designed to be a little bit faster because a guy can unlock that and move around on a spotting scope where on a weapon, you know, you're you're aiming out there. that 60. You unlock lock that tension and you got a nice smooth transition on that bigger ball versus the smaller ball. Right. Well, me first I'll tell you guys what I'm running. I'm going to ask you guys. Um, y'all have already heard me talk about my tripod. I like the Elevate uh three section and I'm running uh the Levitate level head. That is my setup. That's what I'm running day and night. Now, Connor, if if you're hunting this evening, hunting them tomorrow morning, tonight, whatever, what is your what is your go-to setup uh with tripod and and a head pick? So, mine switched uh not too long ago. Now, I'm This is specifically as it relates to hunting, not the comp side. The hunting side, I prefer the two section. Okay? And I used to prefer the three section, but uh now I've I've switched to the two. I mean, if I need, you know, again, you get all these legs, they'll they'll sit basically prone if you need. Now, I don't I'm not doing that. Um but I prefer the two section. Uh it's just a little less going on. I mean, if you're going to stand on a stand anyway, which basically I think going into it, you know, if you're stand you're going to be standing or if you're Of course. Of course. Especially all these places you've hunted forever. you know exactly where you're going and what's going on. Exactly. You're either standing on the side of a, you know, hog barn or you're wherever. And and up here, specific to our ground, um I mean, there in a lot of places to hide, uh when it's that flat, right? So, you kind of got to get cute with where you're going to be. And and for me, I found that I, you know, I started with the three and I think gradually I was finding myself using the three as a two. Um and and finally I just switch. So, uh, you know, we we we joke in our group chats that a fat boy, but man, I keep a two section running around the bed of my truck year round. Uh, and on top of it sits an invert 60. And on top of that, uh, I've either got a tap bag. Don't you forget about what's underneath your invert 60. Don't miss that point. You ain't that. I know. But I I'll either have a pack table on top with a bag um if if it's a spot where I'm just going to be scanning or whatever. Um but otherwise I my my go-to generally is is an invert 60. I like the level head. Uh I have a level head on my invert or my elevate 3 section and I have let me make sure I said that right. I have a levitate level head on my three section and I have a 60 on my two section. the 60 generally keeps attack table on top of it. Um, but then I just pull that off if I don't need it or whatever. Um, so anyway, go to has been the been the two. Now, what what is missing here and what Steve was just hitting at is I have uh a uh revive and a revive is a recharging bolt and that thing sits on the bottom of the invert 60. So, just so everybody knows, yeah, the the the re the Revive is a rechargeable bow, that's it. It's it's Fat Boy. It's a Fat Boy product. It's one of your all's accessories. Yes. And the the the basis for that was if you look at the thermal hunting and and all of the batteries and the crazy expenses that go into these batteries, every battery is like 100 or 150 bucks anymore, it seems. And so, what the Revor charging bowl is um is a is effectively a battery pack. It's a bowl that sits inside uh the apex of so you just basically take out the center bowl on your tripod. You plop in the revor charging bowl and on top of that is is a uh 38 stud same as you would have with the regular bur that comes with the tripod. You screw a 60 on top. Uh the benefit of the Revor charging bowl is it's going to give you roughly 24 hours run time. Um there's 14,000 milliamps in it. That'll keep you going for quite a darn while. uh all of the cord outputs and even inputs are located above the apex. So the revive and the the components the gut sit below the apex and then on top is the actual port where you would plug in your cords and stuff. So cords are not getting twisted around legs. Um if you're moving uh or panning or whatever you're doing and let's just say that a cord happens to get twisted, maybe a guy spins it in a 360 or something. the magnetic components like how it physically connects to uh either the scope or back into the device is there's a magnetic attachment there. So, think your cell phone for a second and you can plug in a little USBC or whatever it's called uh into the bottom of the thing. Yeah. And a magnet sits there and let's say that I attach that magnet and the cord to the Revive and I physically walk away with my cell phone. The magnetic component just breaks apart. And then if I bring my phone back, it'll it'll just magnetically connect again. Make sense? Yeah, it does 100%. Just a male male end USBC that just it's a male male portion of the the cord. It just stays in your thermal scope or your accessory that you're using to charge. You just grab that cord. You don't even have to like make the connection. You just get that magnet close. That dude is such and it is charging right up right away. Yeah. It's like a hidden secret. And this is our first real like we launched it late last year. This will be our first season of guys actually like running it and talking about it. I think it's just kind of a hidden truly a hidden secret at this point. I mean you got guys spending a bunch of money on thermal extra batteries and and quite frankly you don't need to be charging those in your pickup between sets if you if you have a Revor charging pool. Um Right. Right. You know pricing wise on that we're at I think MAP on that's like right at 225. So you're you're basically there's 14,000 milliamps 14,000 milliamps of power readily available at all times in the apex of that tripod and it is like you know how it is when you get out there and and and mama's going to be mad when you get home because you stayed out way later than you're supposed to. But when the coyotes start moving and it may be midnight and you're like make sure you got enough going home yet. You got you don't want to go home yet. The last thing you want is to tell your buddies that you're you don't have enough battery left and you're ruining the pity party. If you can slap that rechargeable bull, just that cord right to your scope, man, you are basically there. You don't have any excuses to be there 24 hours long. That's about how long it'll run a thermal scope with that that Revive plugged in is almost literally a 24-hour day period. It'll run that scope off of that built right into your tripod at all times. You don't have to use it, but it's there for when that happens. Yep. Yep. Very, very slick product. I know uh Ma uh Mike Dylan, he went to Oklahoma there just last week and um you know, he he loves it. He uses it. You know, it's ever since you all sent him on, it's been on the tripod and never came out of it. So, Oh my god. That's awesome. Yep. That's my setup. That's uh that's kind of my setup right now. So, one part you said the invert 60 and of course you got your re the revive on there too. Two section tripod but I never did hear you say whether it was the traverse or the elevate. Elevate. Elevate two section. Okay. What about you? What about you? What about you, Casey? While you running, man, I am a go-to elevate to Levitate guy, but I don't leave home without that thick grip on the side now either. So, that's kind of added into my arsenal. I I always have that uh levitate um I set it like and like to Connor's point on that levitate at that little Allen wrench. I got it about halfway tight. So, I I barely have to make any movements on that and I always go to levitate two or levitate and an elevate two section with a thick grip on my left leg every time. Nice. Nice. Nice. Well, now deer hunting though, John, I'm switching it up. I'm going threesection. Are you or three section for the deer hunting? I'm going threesection cuz I'm I guess lazy deer hunter. I guess I like to sit in the box blind and check emails and do that and pretend like I'm still working even though I might be working at the same time as I'm deer hunting. I'm going with the three section in there. back uh here in Kentucky, we've got a in my county, the deer season, the rifle season's in for like two weeks and so I can't you can coyote hunt during that time frame, but you got to wear orange and you know, you go to these places, you know, somebody's in there deer hunting or whatever. So, I just don't I don't coyote call during that time frame. And and last November, we really didn't have a lot going on at the office. Uh, I might have to jump on a phone call or two uh throughout the day, but uh, a lot of it was just pretty easy office work. So, I'd do just exactly what you said. I'd take all my hunting gear to a to a a blind somewhere. I'd take set my rifle up on the tripod, set it there in front of me, have everything going, and I would actually pack my laptop in with me. So, I'd have a laptop going. I'd have my phone going doing stuff. And right there, I had my had the tripod and rifle in front of me in case a big old buck stepped out. Of course, never happened. And you didn't have to worry about that computer going dead. But the revive, you know, all kinds of power. You got no excuse to work. That's exactly right. Exactly. Oh man. Ain't nothing worse deer hunting without a phone anymore. That's if it goes dead, I'm going to have to go home cuz I can't keep up on everything. Ain't that the truth? Ain't that the truth? sad, but at the same time, I don't know how I used to do it either. And it's I guess they take things for granted a little bit more nowadays compared to what we we used to have. Good grief. I went hunting. I guess I should say I went and y'all can y'all can laugh at me all you want. Heck, I went got in a tree stand there last week. Our season here in Kentucky for archery season comes in the first Saturday of September. So, our season's been in for about a month now, but what time this comes out even longer than that. But heck, I got in the stand, put earbuds in, and got to watching Tik Tok videos. You went down a rabbit hole you never got out of. I watched Tik Tok videos for three and a half hours that that evening. I probably probably had my shooter butt come through. Didn't even know it. Oh man, I don't mess with Tik Tok very much, but I did get down a rabbit hole that I just realized that they had a Tik Tok shop on there, and that guy should never click that shop button. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. Y'all kind of alluded to something earlier. Y'all got any uh new products uh coming our way here in the future? Oh, man. We have got a tripod coming out. There's a couple versions of new tripods coming out that are literally uh one is in 100% full production right now. By the time we hear this episode or you hear this announcement, it may already be here. But that uh we've got one that is 18 in tall packed up and it'll go right in a backpack shooting prone sitting on your rear. Anything that you want to do with that tripod as far as a uh you know walking in somewhere and sitting down or spotting and stalking it is I mean out of this world good. And Connor has messed with it just as much as I have. And go ahead, Conor game. Your thoughts on this new one that we're secretly keeping to ourselves for a while here. I joked uh before this podcast, but I literally thought I was going to have to citizens arrest an entire SWAT team trying to get it back. Wouldn't get it out of their hands. So, this 18inch tripod, oh, they they freaking loved it. I ran over there just a little bit ago and they it was it was just a it was uh they they actually saw two uh that are about to be in transit. But the 18inch tripod's amazing. Um you know when you and it sounds silly like a person you say, "Okay, 18 in that can't be that tall." But if you're sitting on your backside and you put a ball head on top now that 18inch tripod will pair perfectly with an invert 50. Um it does have a center stem on it. The tripod will go from 18 in to 36 uh in just the tripod. No, it's higher than that. It's higher than that. You're It is actually uh 46 in just shy of 4 foot. Well, with the stem, correct? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yep. Yes, sir. So, if you back the stem out, it'll basically go 18 to 36 plus 12ish. So, you're roughly 4 foot all in um on it. Now, by the time you get the tripod, you put the head on top and then you put a rifle and an optic on top. If you're sitting on your booty, your backside, sorry, I've got little kids. Um, if you're sitting on your backside, it's perfect. Like, it is perfect. The second knuckle on it, if you if you drop the first section out, it is perfect for a kneeling shot. Um, I mean, honestly, the stability is insane. Are a lot of guys probably going to stand and shoot off it? I don't know. But the applications are just fantastic for both sitting, prone, kneeling. Uh you know, if a guy is going to use it to glass or whatever, having a stem is awesome. You can physically detach the stem from the a from the bowl. Yeah. And just run the bowl. Um or you can have the stem as well. Uh that tripod is just nothing but positive things to say. The guys that have demoed that particular tripod, uh it is hard to get it back out of their hands. I'm looking looking forward to trying it myself. You haven't touched on the best part about that though. That dude is literally 2.75 lbs. It weighs absolutely nothing. All carbon fiber again, big beefy rubber leg locks, the center apex. It's got the quarter20s for your side chicks. Um, it's just everything a guy dreamed of to to run running a gun, backpacking or anywhere that's lightweight. And we talked we touched on that box blind hunting with the computer and the phone and everything. Deer hunting. I mean, you talk about a a dream tripod for that that scenario where you might not want to leave it inside there. You know, I'm already thinking about uh that'd be a tripod I'd pack around turkey hunt. Now, I know a lot of guys probably, why would you take a tripod to turkey hunt? I throw it right in a turkey vest and man, that that'd be slick. Be handsree to run your slate calls and all that type of stuff and already have you have your shotgun pointed right exactly where you wanted it. Don't have to raise it up when that gobbler comes in. And that's the first thing I did with it when we got that prototype in. I I literally called Connor FaceTime. I said, "Look at this. I'm sitting on my rear. I had two legs spread out and and down one section of the two. And I had the first leg sitting normal like it came right out of my backpack. And I was sitting on my rear and that gun literally just nestled right into my shoulder perfectly there. And I'm like, "Oh man, this is a turkey hunter's dream." And we we nailed it uh right out of the gate. And I'm telling you that when that when you when you guys see that dude, it's going to be a complete game changer. and uh new sheriff in town for that kind of that kind of hunting style. And I tell you what, we was talking about for kids and stuff, that's going to be perfect for them because Cody Hassinger here at uh at Fox Pro, he's he's got his little boy Riker. He's little bitty little bitty Joker. And I tell you what, he is a hunting fool. Loves to go loves to go deer hunting. Loves deer hunting so much. And he's a big- time turkey hunter as well. He's actually been here in Kentucky from Pennsylvania to take advantage of our youth season and stuff and it's killed this boy's killed this boy's killed more turkeys than some grown men have. But guess what? They always rig up a tripod for him to use cuz he's a little bitty boy. Just a little bitty guy. He shoots a 28 gauge and they like it cuz it takes, you know, recoil out of that shotgun for him. And plus it it's it's right up there for him. it stable and I guarantee you they will definitely take advantage of this uh this new uh tripod you guys are going to be coming out with that well as a father you can reach over and grab that tripod leg and hold that recoil from coming back on the shoulder of a young man or young woman a young girl and uh and holding that tripod leg down and keeping that dude anchored that takes a lot of the recoil and that's coming back off that weapon for sure especially on a shotgun like that. Yeah, boy. Yep. I think you got one, John, coming to you as we speak. I think we got one flying out mail. Hopefully, you'll be looking forward to it. Looking forward to it. And what you did you say the the invert 50 pairs perfectly with it. Is that what you saying? I mean, absolutely perfect on there. It doesn't get any better than that, too. It's just it's there. When you put that dude on it, everything makes sense as soon as you even look at it. I had a Missouri State Highway Patrol guy in here yesterday that shot the mammoth challenge and he spotted it in the corner of my office that wasn't supposed to be seen and he's like, "What's that one?" I'm like, "Uh." And I couldn't he same way Connor was today. I pretty much had to tell him, "It is not for sale." And he was laying down in my office here across it and he just like, "Holy cow, this thing's insane. I need it." I'm like, "Well, you can't. That one's mine." Well, I'm looking forward to coming in. I got to check. I I know I've got of of course I've got the invert 60 ball head. Um I know I have another ball head, but I could not tell you guys if it's the 40 or the 50 in 50. And if you don't have it, we'll send you one. Um I'll check it. I'll check it. Check it. See what it is. You know, I got to put this thing to the test when it gets here. Oh, just you wait, John. Now, you might we'll see how this plays out with how we release. You might have to edit this part out a little bit, but let's Casey, you want to briefly hit on the next one that would be coming shortly behind it. Yeah, it's going to be just just te just tease it. Tease it. Yeah. Just you know how you guys So, what you're what you're saying is not one additional tripod coming, but two two new products. We would call that Let's just Let's just leave it at that. we would call the you got the elevate two or three section. You got the baby brother of this one we've been talking about and then you got that that middle brother that's always causing problems. That little middle brother, that middle brother, he he's right behind uh the baby brother. I see. I see. So, what you just covered was the baby baby brother, but you got a a rambunctious middle child coming too. You betcha. Something a little better than uh something a little bit bigger than the 18 in. Not too far away. Well, when am I getting that? That sounds cool, too. So, you know, you're going to have to go like literally you're going to have to get on the horn. And uh so yesterday it showed back up. Uh we've had them demoed out like some marketing guy. There's been some stuff going on behind the scenes trying to get some pictures and stuff. I had a box show up yesterday and it it was a struggle getting that tripod out of Rich's hands. Uh absolutely loved it. Um so I guess in short that there's a lot of positive things going on behind the scenes. We're just gathering some marketing. You know how that stuff goes. Yep. And uh well let's take this for I'm going to cut you real quick. I'm gonna cut you off real quick, Connor, because this just is a perfect example of what we do at Fatboy. We do not launch a single product till we put it in real hunter hands. run it, beat on it, bang on it, get out there and, you know, try to destroy something, do everything a guy would do, throw it around. And that's when we know that we built exactly what we we we went out to we set out to do. Because if it doesn't meet the standards of not only myself personally and Connor himself, and it doesn't meet the standards by a guy that's out there doing it every day, um, then it's then we're back to the drawing board. But it seems like when we do it that way, we get that positive feedback or even if there's a flaw, it doesn't get launched till every one of those is covered, all teases crossed and eyes dotted, and that's when she goes full production. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way to do it. It's the way to do it. So, I'm taking that one, John. It's a little, you know, I'm I'll send you some picture. I'm going elk hunting next week. Uh we leave Friday, Thursday. Thursday night. And where you going? Where you where you elk hunting at? So, we're going up to Utah. Um, there's a local guy here with me. He's a buddy of mine. His name's Justin. We're going on a uh elk hunt, kind of a DIY hunt. Um, but packing out and uh going to go up to Utah uh in the mountain range that I can't actually pronounce like the UI NA Utah. I can't ever pronounce it. Sounds Sounds good to me. believe we had Al Morris on here where he's at Utah. That's all that matters. All I had to hear was like no phone for a a you know unknown period of time like sold in. So we're going to get up there. We're going to leave Thursday night, get up Friday, confirm dope on rifles, get camp set up, uh season opens the next morning, and then we're just going to be out there grinding for a period of time and see what we see and come back when we get something. And uh man, I just very excited to get away for a little bit. And uh good luck. So you're taking so you're taking one of these new tripods with you then? Certainly. Certainly am. Yeah. Well, you'll be that'd be a pretty good test for them. I'll leave out here the fort down.
Yeah, someone's got to do it. So, as soon as we get back, uh I will I'll kick one out of you. But no, I'm excited. I'm going to take up a uh uh 7PRC um sequence and uh that baby is pushing I ran it through some chronos. Um it's it's awesome. We're pushing right at 2,800 feet per second. Uh foot pounds of energy is just insane. Uh totally impressed with that round. I mean it for how much energy it pushes, there's not I mean recoil is uh not it's not an issue, you know. Have you shot a 7 PRC yet? I I have not, but it sounds like the elk are in trouble to me. We'll see, man. Got to get up there and uh let fat boys do what fat boys do. And, you know, hope we have some good pictures on the tail end of it. Well, I hope you hope you bust you a big. Well, thank you. Well, is there any uh is there any other products you guys want to cover uh from from Fat Boy? I think we pretty much hit on about everything. There is a ton of stuff in my little redneck engineer uh notebook over here that uh we're just in all honesty that the thing that I love about what me and Connor do is there is just never a a dull moment that there's always some consistent housefire that we create because we're consistently moving that needle and trying to innovate the next latest and greatest thing um to the market. And with that being said, there is a ton of stuff in the pipeline um that's just not here yet. But just know that we never quit. It's just consistently coming. Um we're always trying to to uh make that next latest greatest thing, but we're not ones to just slap a sticker on a on a different tripod like a lot of some of these companies are out there doing. Just grabbing a tripod from from some, you know, Chinese website and then slapping a sticker on a call on their own. We we literally innovate every single inch of everything we come out with. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we really appreciate uh appreciate what you guys are doing for coyote hunters. That's that's for sure. Y'all uh y'all have changed the game. Yeah. We appreciate Honestly, it's guys like you doing the podcast and stuff that are getting people involved. I mean, look at where this thing's come from the last 10 years. Uh maybe even more, you know. Uh, I mean, even your guys is popular. You guys are can't walk into a Shields and not see like an entire wall of Fox Pro stuff. It's It's It's really What year did Fox Pro start, John? You know that answer? Yeah, the the official established year is 1993. Now, they was actually doing stuff in the late 80s. Uh, but official uh established date is uh or year is 1993. Yep. I love the the story behind uh the Fox Pro 2 starting out in the garage and that's where a lot of the ideas and artists come from and started from a garage and then now things have just changed so much. But I remember growing up as a kid I mean if you were going to shoot a kite you had that Fox bro you that's just what you got. That's just all there is to it. I mean I was born in the early 80s. That's what you That's what you got to have now. That's right. That's if you want to keep up. I lived down in Texas for a period of time. I went to uh TCU and a couple good buddies of mine, Zach and Todd. We'd go we'd go hunting. I remember like this is back in 2000, early 2000. I'm like, man, these guys have a a Fox Pro. I'm like in my head I'm like that was the freaking like granted your dirt poor as a college kid, but I'm like, "Holy caps, these guys got a freaking Fox Pro." And sure as hell, man. We called in like it was remarkable. And I don't know if it's because like no one had sounds back then or what, but we'd sit on top of this camel out rig and we'd call in everything. And I just was like it to me it was just absolute magic. And so, uh, it's neat. You know, we're lucky. We're fortunate. Casey and I both are and you are and everyone is. And it's really neat and and fun to be able to communicate and talk with guys like you build relationships with all these industry guys that are literally making waves and things that I've grown up with and Casey and I have grown up with from kids. And then now it's like, you know, when you walk into Shields and guys talk to you, you see Fox Pro and you you're like, "Yeah, I actually know those guys." you know, it's uh it's the outdoor industry is just like a big giant family. It really I mean the whole entire outdoor industry whether you're just a hunter or you're a manufacturer, you have some part in the game and we and again I go back to the hunter as well. It's all a giant family when we live where I live is one of the biggest, you know, deer hunting areas in the world. Um they call, you know, the Golden Triangle. Good good friend runs a a outfitting business here called South Fork Outfitting. And we literally can go to that table, that dinner table, and every single person is not worried about, you know, who's got what or who drives the nicest pickup or who any of that. None of that goes on. It is handshake after handshake. What did you see? How was it? You know, what's your plan for tomorrow? Let's strategize and talk about this and that. And that's what uh a lot of these people don't understand that uh maybe be anti-hunting and all that. They don't understand the bond that that creates not only between a father and a son, but but people that don't know each other just walking in a Shields for instance, and you're you're in the same aisle as another guy looking on a grunt call. You know, another guy might strike up a conversation with you or what you know, I've got that one at home and that one works great. Or same with the Fox Pro. Like, I got that X24 at home. I really love that it's got this feature, that feature, and it's literally sells itself because you have real end users that are literally willing to talk and shake hands without knowing anybody. And that's the way it goes on anything I've ever ran into on the hunting industry. It's everybody's always always nice to everybody, it seems like. And it's just a big giant family. Yep. No, you're you're exactly right. You may you may remember uh remember the first time I ever went to Wyoming to hunt. I stopped at uh I stopped in at the sportsman's warehouse in Casper, Wyoming. And I think it was maybe one of the managers there. He ran into us and asked if we had any trouble finding stuff or whatever. Struck up a conversation with him and asked what he of course he uh uh took note of my accent very quick and he said, "You ain't from here. Where where are you from?" I said, "I'm from Kentucky." And of course, he's like, "Well, what are you getting into?" I said, "We want to try to kill some coyotes here after a while." And he's like, "Well, where are you headed?" I was like, "I couldn't I don't know. It's my first time here. I'm just going to go find some BLM and all this stuff." He said, "Well," he said, "you got Onyx?" I said, "Sure do." And uh back back then we had uh it was these little cards that you put in. I think it was in a garment or something like that uh for Onyx. Well, anyway, we pulled that out. That guy started putting points down for us and stuff like that. He said, "Head out this way." And he said, "You get on this road." And he said, "Start hitting this draw, this draw, this draw." You know, just Anyway, that guy give us our first, I don't know, dozen coyote stands and you know the areas to go to and they put us right on them. That guy didn't have to do it. You know, he could have he could have kept it close to his chest and not told us nothing, but that guy put us right on coyotes. Didn't know us for nothing. Talked to him for 10 minutes. first time ever seen in my life and give us places to go coyote hunting. That was public ground, but it ain't like he give us gar ho. We went out there and started calling coyotes and that guy pointed us in the right direction. So, it's little stuff like that. You know, remind when you said walk. Go ahead. No, I was when I said I was walking in the shield, I said when you uh when you hit when you hit on that there, I said I guarantee you that that started with a handshake and it ended with a handshake. That conversation. It sure did. It sure did. It sure do. And that's what the beauty of some of this hunting stuff is, too. You know, that that kind of some of that handshake stuff's really gone away. And you know, that's what our my dad and my grandpa and everybody kind of taught us on. You know, you shake a guy's hand and that's your word. And that's, you know, that's who you are. That's just kind of that's the beauty of the hunting industry. It seems like that a lot of them guys are the first one to grab you, shake your hand, congratulate you, and they may not know you. Even though they may have sat there for 5 days and not seen a single deer or a single coyote, they're the first ones to come over and give you a handshake when you take that trophy into the lodge or somewhere else. Yep. He was uh and that stood out. You know, that was a that was a great he left a great impression on me and uh there was a few years later I'd went back back in that area and I you know stopped by that sportsman's warehouse just so I could go in there and see if I couldn't talk to that guy. And uh anyway, he wasn't around. Maybe I'll run into him again here in the future. But but yeah, good stuff. You know, John was interest on on that my Facebook whenever I tend to post stuff, it's usually straight debrie. But I told my wife for this kind, I'm like, man, I need to go get some coolers. But then the problem with that is then you got to go store the coolers. You know what I mean? Yep. And so it was funny. I posted online and I just said, "Hey, I didn't have any coolers." There's guys that I haven't even talked to in a while that literally are dropping coolers off at my house to take like nothing in return. They don't expect anything. They're just like, "Holy cats, man. I remember my first elk hunt. Like, take whatever you need. What else?" And it's it's a blessing and a curse because we're all we're all close. Like, it's just one phone call away basically to connect anybody. Um, and so, you know, it's, you know, it's fun. We all one big family. Yeah. just blessed to be doing what we're doing. Yeah. Well, guys, you got anything else you want to hit on real quick before we jump off here? We've been on here quite a We've been over on here for about an hour and 30 minutes. Man, there's just so much to talk about. We just got so many things in the pipeline. It's just just just feels we part two. Part two at some point. Hey, we've got once we get once you guys get these two new secret secret tripods come out, we're going to have to follow up and give a give a good review on them. See what we think. Yeah, absolutely. But absolutely. Yep. And tell you what, guys, Case and Connor, we we like I said earlier, we really appreciate what you guys have done for the shooting and hunting industry. Like I said, a lot of innovation here that you've brought to the table and uh I for one really enjoying the products for sure. Hey, we appreciate we appreciate the partnership with you guys and everything you do and I know Connor does too. You all just couldn't ask for a better partnership between bunch of guys. Bunch of rednecks. It's all it is. Y'all you all have literally and you all have literally made my job easier. It's just so much easier using a tripod on a coyote stand, especially with the extra stuff I got going on. It's just one thing that uh I don't have to worry about holding on to that rifle. The tripod's got it and when I do get on it, it's steady. It ready to rock. That's awesome. I do have one question for you, John, just because I'm curious. What is your go-to preferred round? 22 250, the Lord's caliber, the one and only. Oh, I had to ask. I was just 22 250, baby. It's just it's tried and true 22250. They did just flat shooting good old guns. That's I mean I'm a 243 guy, but I never argue with a guy that's got a 22250 cuz it's like a Chevy versus Ford when it's 243 versus 22250. The the three the the if you if you told me I could only have two Coyote rigs to run for the rest of my life, one will be a 22 250, other will be 243, I don't care. I've said it so many times. I don't care what's out, what's coming out in the future. Those are the two rounds that I'm going to use. I do have a six Creed. Love the six Creed. I've shot 22 Creeds. I've shot it all. But I always kind of go fall back on the 22 250 and the 243. I got a 243 sitting right over here in the corner um that's ready to be thrown on a fat boy tripod. It's got it's got a thermal on it. So that's what I use at night. It's a 243 and every other time it's it's usually a 22 250. So I I actually killed my very first coyote when I was a teenager with a 22 250. Dad's old Ruger number one. Very first coyote ever kills 22 250. Well, that's the old saying goes. My if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Why? So if it's working, why you don't need to go and do some latest greatest round? I've made a living off of it. I have people tell me all the time, why don't you try this? Won't you shoot this? Won't you shoot this something another arc or Gindle and all these other weird names and stuff? I'm like, why? Why? You know, I I have 100% confidence in these other rounds. Why would I try that thing? I don't want to. No, that means I got to sight in another rifle. More rifle, more data, more Oh, yeah. So once you get these new tripods, do you have an excuse to have another rifle? I've got a Well, matter of fact, I just put a scope yesterday on a brand new Ruger Gen 2 Six Creed. So So I do have a Six Creed ready to go. We'll we'll when this Tribot gets here, we might as well keep it all new. It's got a new scope on it. It's got a new scope. So new new suppressor. It's 100% new deal. So, we might as well keep that rig going. Everything new. New tripod, new rifle, new scope, new suppressor. That should just keep the train a chuck. That's right.
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