Jon Collins sits down with Chad Burke to discuss coyote hunting and his triple digits coyotes in the year 2025.
Welcome to the FoxPro podcast brought to you by Fox Pro game calls. Hello everyone. Welcome back to the FoxPro podcast. We have a new guest joining us today. We have Fox Pro staffer Chad Burke on the line. Chad, thanks for joining us, buddy. How you doing? I'm doing good, John. I appreciate you having me on. Yeah, I've been wanting to get you on for for quite a while now. And finally, finally the the stars aligned and and and here we are. Everything finally worked out. I guess that's that's right. Which we're getting in prime time for for Coyote Colin. That's what we're going to be talking about today. But uh before we uh before we rip right into it, won't you tell tell everyone that's listening a little bit more about Mr. Chad Burke? Tell us who tell us who you are, where you from, and all that good stuff. Well, I'm uh I'm from East Tennessee, northeast Tennessee in and Sneedville, Hancock County. I've uh got a wife, Katie, and a son, Gentry. Uh I start I think I I was trying to look back cuz I knew we were going to do this and I was trying to come up with some some dates and I think uh I don't think I started predator hunting till two I think it was 2019. Yeah. So, I've been doing it I guess soon be six years. I guess I pretty much started that year in January. So, uh I guess it' be 6 years into the the predator hunting scene there and just uh really took a took a liking to it and uh it's kind of takes some of the you know I'm a I'm a deer hunter and a turkey hunter you know and I guess it takes some of the trophy hunting out of it kind of more of a more fun in it for me kind of thing and I've just I've really got where I enjoy it more than more than deer. last couple of years probably, but two or three years for sure. But uh yeah, that it's it's funny how that ends up working out. You know, you hear that a lot. You know, I think uh you know, you I've seen a many a dieh hard deer hunter. I mean, I know well, one guy pops in my mind that I mean, he was a huge deer hunter. Would travel to at least three different states every year bow hunting. You know, that was his passion. And then he got started into coyote hunting and I don't even think he even attempts to coyote hunting or deer hunt at all today. He's 100% coyote hunter. And like I said, I think it it has a way of getting in your blood. Well, once you get into it, start having success, it seems like it latches hold of you pretty quick. I think it's honestly I think you know when I'm you know I I I said something about trophy hunting there you know and I think it for me it goes back to that I mean I I live in a part of the world you know there's some big deer gets killed middle Tennessee and West Tennessee but just the part of the world I live in right here trophy hunting is tough I mean if which I mean a trophy around here you know it's that's regional you know what's what's a trophy here wouldn't be in western Kentucky or you in the Midwest states or whatever, but uh kind of got to the point where I mean it kind of just takes the fun out of it really, you know. Uh right. But I've hunted out of states. I mean, I've hunted in Ohio for several years and uh I ain't I ain't uh I ain't been this year, but uh I've killed a I killed one good deer up there. What I you know, what I consider a good deer, you know, even for the area. But uh it's just like I say, I think of the predator hunting, you kind of get back to it never goes to the basics. Yeah, that's what it is. You you you never get to the point of, you know, of looking for a trophy. And I guess that just that's my opinion. I think that's why people go away from they get into predator hunt. You kind of go away from the deer hunting thing cuz deer hunting stressful. It's stressful. I mean, uh, you know, me growing up, my first experience with hunting, what my dad got me started in was squirrel hunting, and I still squirrel hunt to this day. You know, I don't talk about it or show it on social media very much or nothing like that, but it's something I look forward to every year. And, you know, might be some listeners think, squirrel hunting, why in the world they looking forward to squirrel hunting? Man, when our season comes in mid August, late August, man, that's something I I ain't miss too many opening days, opening weekends of squirrel season. It's uh it's just one of those things that you know it's how I got my start hunting. I enjoy it. It takes a little bit of woodsmanship. You got to use your ears, use your eyesight, you got to be stealthy walking around. I mean it's just and I it kind of you know you can't really compare coyote hunting to that. But I guess what one thing I was looking at, you know, a squirrel's a squirrel, right? That's right. That's exactly right. Just like a coyote kind of. Yeah. Yeah. A coyote's a coyote. But I mean, I guess there is some uh some trophy stuff with coyote hunting, I guess you can say. And one of them you kill a lot of and for a lot of people is a huge trophy is a black coyote. You kill multiple black coyotes every single year. You're kind of like one of them pockets that that that produces a bunch of them. But still, you still kill way more, you know, your regular tawny colored coyotes or brown colored coyotes, whatever you want to say. I've killed I think I've killed seven or eight black ones this since January 1st this year. I'd have to look back. That's I don't I could look back. I don't know. You know, somebody asked me how many black cos I've killed over the years and I tried to figure it up once and since 200 Yeah, I mean around 20, you know, 20 20 some odd 23 or four, but I I mentioned trophies and predator hunting there a second ago. And I guess that would be the only trophy to a lot of people, you know, would be a black one. But the very first coyote that I ever called up was a black coyote. Was it really? The very first one. It sure was. And that was, you know, it was uh to me, you know, I mean, I had seen a couple black coyotes deer hunting and I didn't know they was that rare, you know. I mean, I didn't know that, especially out west, cuz I didn't know anything at all about predator hunting, coyotes in general, you know, nothing about them. Uh, but the first one I ever called up was was a big black male. I killed him in January, I'm pretty sure, of 19, 2019. And and since then, I've killed
two other black I've k I've killed at least two other black cos off that stand. Yeah. A friend of mine missed one there and another friend of mine shot one there and uh and we never he I don't know he he wounded it or something but he get to all the pieces when he sent a black one. He loved that. But I mean I like kill them, don't get me wrong. You know it's cool but I'm not going to like if I have a pair come out and one of them's, you know, tan or Yeah. This I'm not going to shot opportunity. I'm going to take my best shot opportunity. It's not like a big buck to me. Like I ain't going to go to bed that night thinking, "Golly, I let that black coyote get away." You know what I mean? I mean, oh yeah, I don't. It's just uh it's just one that's that's what makes it fun and more enjoyable for me is the it takes the takes some of that looking for one particular thing out of it, you know. And like I say, around here where I live, if there's a big buck around here, you know, and I'm talking around here, a 140 is a giant, you know, and uh that's a giant. And uh people will They'll stab their best friend in the back. They'll do anything under the sun. It don't matter. And I mean, it's not like a it's not, you know, it's just such a different mindset because up north, you know, them, you know, they're just they're more plentiful. And if somebody kills a big one, if there's a big one around, everybody knows, you know, well, you know, my odds of seeing another one or it's possible. But if there's a 140 or 150 around here, you ain't going to see nothing for a few years. And I mean, right, it's just uh people will go crazy and it just it makes it it makes it where it ain't even I don't know. It just ain't fun. I mean, it's fun, but it just takes a lot of fun out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I I to I totally understand. I totally understand. You talking about, you know, comparing deer hunting, coyote hunt, not having to not picking out a single animal and having to dedicate yourself to hunt that and stuff. it that it that is one thing that like say and it's not really how it goes here where I'm at, but in my area of Kentucky, we got coyotes and we we've got what I would call several. So, we're not just packed full of dag on coyotes. I mean, I got to search them out. You know, they're not on every single property. You know, some people think they're behind every tree and rose bush and all that, but that ain't how it works. But uh that is one thing that you know some of these western states I'll go to and stuff you know we're just going out and just making stands making stands making stands and I'll do that here too but u you know you're liable to call coyotes up anywhere I shouldn't say that but there's a lot more coyotes out west I agree with that but like here that is one thing that that I do find some enjoyment in when it comes to coyote hunting is sometimes I do lock finding them yeah lock and locking in and actually hunting either spec a specific coyote or just a group specific coyote a group. Exactly. Exactly. I understand that. Yeah. So there, you know, I get a I get a lot of hunt out of my coyote stands. You know, some people just making coyote stands, but I'm actually a lot of times on these coyotes that people see me kill here around home, buddy. It's a hunt. you know, it takes some scouting and takes some figuring and strategy and, you know, getting on them and, you know, that I I love that part of it. I love that part of it. Believe me, I understand that completely. You know, I don't uh that's why I love summer hunting, too. Uh, and you know, I in winter time around here, it's you know, it's the landscape is pretty pretty vast. I mean, you know, like I I've got a lot of pasture fields and stuff like that and some hay fields to call and some grown up pasture and and that kind of thing and and I've got a lot of ground. I'm I'm lucky or you know blessed rather to uh yeah to know a lot of people and a lot of places and people I know people that know people and I'm lucky to have uh you know a lot of a lot of ground to hunt in and several different counties right here. But but still, I mean, it it don't it limits you because as far as making blind stands, you're limited uh to where you can call Kyle. And like you said, they're not everywhere. Uh and I've learned over the last four or five years, if they're around and and you kind of know how to trip their trigger at the time, you know, if they're if you're if your proximity if you're close enough to them, you're likely going to call them up. I mean, if the wind's right, given that, you know, the wind's right out and everything else is right, you didn't bump them going in or whatever. But, but that's what makes summer hunting so good is by default, these coyotes around here where I live, they get in these ridges, you know, they may not even be around close to a field where I can call them up, you know, so I end up with a shotgun a whole lot in the summer and I'll find them, you know, in in these ridges and that's and in the winter time it's a lot harder to locate them and find them. I mean, as far as cover, people, you know, you'll hear people talk about cover and thickets and that kind of thing. I mean, that stuff is everywhere around here where I live. I mean, you know, it's it's just mostly woods and Yeah. And that knobbyby that knob bridge and Yeah. And there'll be a little thicket here. Yeah. There'll be little thickets all through it. They can lay up anywhere. And then whenever you go and you set up in the woods with shotgun and you don't know where they're at, you're setting yourself up to get backed, right? you're setting your or get, you know, have some come in from the downwind side, which that's easy to happen anyway with a shotgun because you got to get them so close. But, uh, it's the summertime. That's what I love about I'll keep up with groups. I I hadn't even thought of it the way you said it. But, I don't really target a particular coyote, but, you know, I'll keep up with groups and groups. Yeah. And I'll I'll wait because they'll move a little once it gets up in especially in August. They'll start moving around just a little and I may relocate a group, you know, two or three times before they get in a spot where I know I can kill them. And I won't fool with them until I know I can kill them. Yeah. Or until I at least till I'm confident I can kill them, you know. Yeah. Well, I think that's, you know, I I have people, you know, they listen to some of our podcasts we'll do on summer call and stuff and talk about locating and everything and and you know, people will do that. They'll find coyotes and they might not be what like what you just said in the right spot, but they got them located and they know they've got coyotes to call to and they just want to try them anyway, right? And then, you know, they're not inside that bubble. You're better off. Get those coyotes called up and I think it hurts them in the long run. They don't get them called up and those coyotes have heard you calling to them. You've pressured them a little bit. Whether you want to consider it pressure or not, it's still pressure. You pressured them. Yeah, it is. I mean, you get in there and especially, you know, if you get there's such in my opinion, there's such thing as getting close enough to kill them and then there's such thing as getting you're still in their maybe not their core area where they live, but you're still in their their home range right there and you're in their Yeah. You know, playing every sound in the book. And that's something else. I'm real conservative. I don't I don't like I won't blast them down. I mean, if I know they're there, if they don't come, you know, I'm not going to sit there and go through every Fox Pro and MFK sound on my call trying to get them to, you know, and then Right. But I fight another day type thing. Yeah. I mean, that's exactly right. And then, you know, the next time you go in there, you know, uh, they're going to know whether people believe it or not. I believe they catch all that stuff. And, uh, well, I mean, I can't prove it. I can't prove it. Nobody can. But but I know they do. They they do. I mean, I've There ain't no telling how many times I've seen coyotes out in the field or wherever and you know, you sneak in there on them, they don't have a clue you're there. And you start off with with a with a sound and they look and you tell you could see the fright come up come upon them, tuck tail, turn and run. There's reasons why they do that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They catch on. They catch on and Or you let a Or you let a sound out and immediately get cut off with a bunch of booger barking. Booger barking. I hate that. Yeah. Drives me crazy. I I actually done that uh a couple of weeks ago. I got a buddy that he uh he sent me a video. His brother had took a video of a coyote in a well, it's around a little sawmill there. He's got and uh it was middle of the day. I don't know. He was down there just mousing around them, you know, that log pile and stuff, I guess, looking for a rat or something. And uh I went down there that evening and got down there and uh was going down there to try to set up on it and hunt it cuz I knew it had to lay up close there, you know, right? And uh when I got there and got out of the truck, I went walking around this there's a little trailer there and I walk around the trailer and looked up and it was here thing setting in the field and I had my shotgun. You know, uh young rifle season ain't open here yet. We ain't technically well there's a lot of gray area in the book but I don't think you're technically supposed to be hunting with a rifle outside of rifle season but I had my shotgun stand across the field and it see you know it it didn't really see me then and I just moved around back behind that trailer and let it go on well then I just moved on up and crossed the field and just as I got inside the wood line and and sat down and set my cow out there that thing started barking. I was like, "That sucker seen me walk across this field and it just knew that, you know, it it knew." Yeah. I mean, you know, it just And I actually had been in there and uh back in early in September, I guess, and called up one coyote. It was drizzling the rain and I located that morning before daylight and moved in there and me and me and Ryan, my buddy, and uh uh we moved in there and and set up and had one come around. It started just a little drizzle. Couldn't hear nothing, you know. Come around front and I just looked up, come around kind of in front of me. I looked up and it was standing there and it had me pegged and uh yeah, I raised up turned running. I shot and missed it and then a few minutes later couple miss I don't know maybe a minute later caught up another one and got it killed. So I dumped in there once messing around you know and that was in early in September. So this was say two weeks ago. So around the first of the month somewhere around about there end of October. And uh so that coyote, you know, I I eased up there and slept up there and got in them woods and just as I got up there and sat down on my stool, he's he or she, I don't have no idea, male or female, started barking. I was like, well, I might as well scratch. Yes, I did play a little bit of distress and uh I moved on. But uh well, you know, you see that stuff pop up on social media quite a bit. People asking questions about what to do with booger barking coyotes. I get messages like it on crazy and I know other people do, too. It's It's one of those things, you know, when you encounter a booger barking coyote, they know something's not right. They've either seen you, heard you and knew it was you, smelt you and all that type of stuff, or you was in there previously, or somebody else and started calling and either had coyotes starting to advance to you call and they cut you in or you shot and missed them or, you know, the possibilities are endless. But they do learn from that and what they can associate certain stuff with with higher pressure. Yeah, exactly. And they start booger barking. Well, the the question that always arises, how do you call in a booger barking coyote? Now, there's a lot of people that think that says, oh, you know, tells you all this advice on what sounds to play and everything else. Well, guess what? If a coyote watched you walk in and he watched you walk out there and set you call out and he watched you walk back and sit down or stand up or what, however you like to make your stand, then you start playing sound and he sits up there booger bark listen. He knows you're there. He sees you. Yeah. Oh yeah. He could likely be sitting out watching you set your cow out. Yeah. I mean then I mean then I mean what's the odds? It's that thing. I mean, it knows better. And you know, and there's it's possibility that he he actually as you was walking in that however your wind was blowing when you was walking in, he could have been downwind and smelt you and then circled out and then started seeing you. I mean, it's possible he saw you and smelt you. Then he starts hearing what you were doing. Guess what? He relates. Let me ask you. So, let me ask you, u you get in those situations just like you talking about. You got a Booker barking coyote. What's your advice? What do you do? You throw the kitchen sink at them trying to get them out or No, no, no, no. You won't hardly ever rarely and a lot of people I know uh like I well not this past summer, one of four uh uh Taylor and and uh Chris come down hunting with me a day or two right there and they I know they were about to die because of the way I Kentucky boys. Kentucky boys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And uh they come down hunting with me a couple days right there and and I was you was talking about throwing kitchen sink at them and I know that them boys the first few stands we made they thought my god is he going to call or not you know I mean what's he doing? I mean because the way I call is it's not like I'm not going to sit there and play like I said every fight I've got and all that stuff. I'm just I'm real conservative and because I don't know how often them real brutal coyote fights break out in the wild anyway. You know, I don't know. I don't know if that's a daily thing or whatever. I don't feel like I don't feel like it is. So, you know, to me now, they work. Don't get me wrong, I love to get them to come to a fight. Don't get me wrong. But now, when you talk booger barking, I I if I if I have before, this is something that I this is this this will work. But and I'm I'm a shotgun hunter, you know, really for the most of the ones I kill with a shotgun. If they get to the point Yeah. And if they get to the point that they're coming up to me and booger barking and going back and booger barking coming up and booger barking and they move back another 75 yards and booger barking back and forth. I have when they go back I have jumped up and this is you know this is stuff that you ain't going to see this stuff on YouTube. You know what I mean? Not normally. Oh yeah. But this is I like to kill them you know and I do. But I will I have before if I can get to where they've been previously like say they've been up to this say they're coming within 75 80 yards of me and they're just over a rise and I can't see them and they're out there barking and they've smelled me. I have moved up to where they've just been and called them in like I have been able to move up there and maybe howl again even play stress like I can give you an example of that. I mean, uh, uh, last summer or last fall in September, early fall, I had located a group of cows and moved in on them, set up, uh, kind of got in the middle of them. They was a little bit scattered out and I kind of got really in deeper than I meant to. I couldn't really pin them good because where they was at. And, uh, when I when I held, I I held on my, uh, diaphragm. And they answered and there was some off to my left and some out to my right. And I was pretty much right in the middle of them. I I you know, I was really I would have been I would have felt better if I'd have been backed up 75 yards, you know. And uh so two of them, one of them comes from the left first comes up in the city. Actually, I made a video little video of it and put it on on Facebook. I mean, I'm not much of a it's just with my cell phone, but anyway. And shot them one at probably seven or eight steps. Well, then two come from our right and come around and they got behind me and I I like to shoot left-handed. I mean, I'm I'm more my left eye dominant. I I can shoot with either hand, but they come around behind me and got around. I mean, they literally was right behind me 10 10 or 12 steps. And uh they started coming around to my left and I just switched arms and spun around and shot the next one with my right arm. Yep. Okay. So, so they run off and and I sat there silent for I don't know, I don't know, probably five minutes and nothing, you know, nothing else. And I thought, well, I, you know, they had three come in here and, you know, I've boogered them up pretty good. I'm just going to let I'm just going to let it cool down. I'm going to get out of here. So, I drug up the two I killed, took pictures of them and everything. Well, there was another one got the booger barking down below me, howling, just like a howling booger bark, you know. Yep. And uh he just kept on. Everybody's heard that whether they want to or not. Just kept on and on. And I thought, well, I'm gonna sit down right here and just see maybe if I play like a just a light fight, some kind of a like broke pups. I love broke pups cuz it's got a lot of brakes in it. Yeah, it's got a lot of brakes. And uh it could have been the one I played. I can't remember. It was some kind of not real super aggressive, just a [ __ ] pup bat. And he just boy that wound him up. It really wound his wick up, you know. He stood down there and barked and howled and just screaming and and I was like, "Well, he ain't never going to come. I'm taking my pictures. I'm getting out here cuz I was going to work." And uh I took my pictures, got my coyotes, probably drove them 50 yards, and he thought he had hushed and he started again. I said I stood by and listened and he was there was a thicket out in the middle of this woods. It's like it's a it's a little field they've had there for a food plot and it's grown up brawers and sage grass. Yeah, they've let it grow up. and he would come up one side of that little field and go back down the other and go around behind it. He was booger barking every time he go up down through there. I could just I could tell and I said, "I'm going to slip right down there and I'm going to slide right down in there where he's coming to and I'm just going to see what happens." So, I went down through there, you know, wind was still good and I went down through there and I got just on the edge of that field and I set my call right out. He was literally just two, three steps in front of me and I turned on Nutty Nutch and that big male run me over. But I mean, you know, he had been there in that spot and was comfortable there. Uh, that's my thought process. You know, like if I've got one booger buck and if I can, now listen, this is something anybody listen, this may work, it may not work. I've had it work. That's example right there when it it did work. You know, if you can get in a spot where they have been there just like literally 5 minutes ago or less and they were there and comfortable in that spot, a lot of times they'll come back to that spot. But now you can't get them to break that hardly for nothing. You know, I could have set up there 50 or 75 yards above or probably 75 yards where I was set up the other time and I could have played every fight and known to man. I don't believe that kite would have broke and come up. No. and and that and what Chad's talking about there, that's that's eastern stuff. That that's like south, you know, like you Arkansas type country and everything east of the Mississippi, you know, that we've got a lot of woods and that type of stuff where you can do that. Now, guys out west, well, good grief, you might be you get those situations and you can see for two miles. Well, guess what? The coyotes can see for two miles, too. He watch you coming. Yeah. So, that don't work. So that's a that's a eastern that's a eastern tactic and I think right I mean yeah you have to be able to get to where he was at without him knowing of course. Yeah. Yeah. And and that's that's the thing when when you get talking about booger bark and coyotes and you see this stuff comes up. Everything is so situational. Everything is fluid. It always changes. It's just Yeah. There's two different scenarios that that always in my mind you know when people talk about that one. Did you go in there and get set up and soon as you started calling you had a booger barking coyote? When I say soon as you start calling you and within the first 30 seconds if you've got a a coyote that's booger barking man he either saw you come in s you came in or or yeah that type stuff. If you get in that situation in my opinion just get out of there. Just leave him alone because the more you do in that situation the more he's learning. He or she's learning. Yeah, I mean it's possible. It is possible that you could call it coyote up. It's possible. But you're the odds of that happening are are so slim. Another thing is when you've got a coyote that's out there booger barking like that, there ain't no other coyote that's around going to come in either because that's what that is is a warning. Yep. But the other the other situation is is if you're on stand and everything's going just fine and all a sudden you call in coyotes just like Chad was talking about. If you call in coyotes and kill one or two and then one runs off and booger barking or say you call a coyote in and you miss him or whatever happens and he runs off then he gets to booger barking then I think you can play with those coyotes. You can do stuff like what Chad just talked about or sometimes you can hit the right sound that that that you know they're already interested. So there is you could trigger them to come back in. So I will fool with those coyotes in that situation a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But if you but if you just walked in there and sat down and started calling and one just automatically starts booger barking. My opinion, grab your call, get out there. I agree with that. I agree with that 100% cuz because you know you at no point ever fooled that coyote there. Like if you if you've already called some up and they come in, that's a total different ball game, right? Total different scenario. If you've already had them interested and and and they come to the call and they don't see you or smell you, nothing like that, they don't know exactly what happened. They just know something wasn't right. And Yeah. Especially if they didn't smell you, right? Yeah. they don't, you know, it just, you know, they know something wasn't right, you know, and and a lot of times too, you know, I've most if you do if you do call up a pair or a triple or whatever, if you can kill one of them, I have one laying there. A lot a lot of times it helps. Oh yeah, no doubt. But a lot of times them others will come back. If you spook them all and they all leave, then you're in trouble. I don't know what it is, but I've seen that so many times. I had that happen just literally three two three weeks ago or something other. I had a deal kind of like that. But, you know, and it was my fault. It just I got greedy trying to trying to kill a double and and let them get away. But, I mean, uh if you ever if you can kill one or two them just like I did that day I was telling you about whenever I moved up and and played some uh some nutty nut action. I remember it good. And that coyote come to me. That cow never figured me out and it knew that two was missing right there and it didn't know exactly what happened, you know? I mean, Yep. And I moved down there and made it work. But if they all leave, if you call in a tubble or a triple or a quad or whatever, quint, whatever, you whatever. If they all leave, you might as well get out of there. I mean, you it might you might occasionally get them to come in. Anything's possible, but it changes things when you kill one or two of them. I don't know what it what changes. I guess they know they feel like I don't I have no idea what it is, you know, but Right. I have noticed that. I don't know if I've ever even heard anybody mention that or not, but that's something I've noticed, but Yep. Well, I tell you I tell you one thing I want to talk about while I had you on this podcast and you was talking about how many years you've been hunting. You said around six years for for predator hunting. I think so. And uh and I will say Chad Burke has learned a lot in six years. you know, he he's got it figured out. I'm sure he's got a lot more to learn just like everybody else. Oh, yeah. But Chad has made uh completed a pretty is a pretty impressive feat, I think. He has broke in. This is time we've recorded this, this is u late November and a couple weeks ago, he broke the triple digit mark on coyote. So, he's killed over a 100 coyotes since January 1 this year. And now there's sorry a lot of people listening like well ain't no big deal. Well, the the what I think's a big deal part is now 100 coyotes. I don't care if it's west, midwest, east, night, day, whatever. 100 coyote, a lot of coyotes. You kill 100 coyotes, you kill a lot of coyotes. I know there's people kill maybe a couple or a few hundred every year. And that's extremely extremely extremely impressive. But anybody that'll kill 100 coyotes, no matter situation, they've killed a lot of coyotes in a calendar year. now, but I'm going to put a, you know, an asterk up there. One of the things that I do think is more impressive than any of that when you're talking about triple digits is Chad has done that in the daytime in the east in an eastern state. Now, some people, you know, if you never hunted, I've hunted everywhere. I've hunted in the Northeast. I've hunted in the southeast. I've hunted in the East. I've hunted in the Midwest. I've hunted down in Texas in few different spots. I've hunted Northwest, South. I've hunt I've been everywhere. I've been everywhere. So, I know every place you go has it specific challenges and all that type of stuff. But killing a 100 coyotes at night is different than killing 100 coyotes in the day. And killing 100 coyotes in the West, Midwest, and East are total different situations. And when you can kill a 100 coyotes in a daytime east Mississippi, I'm here to tell you all whether you know it or not, that person has done something. So Chad, I want to say congratulations on that cuz I think that is extremely impressive. And I got a few questions for you on that. I appreciate it, by the way. Congratulations, sir. Thank you. No problem. There's several things that's got to line up for a man to kill or a woman to kill triple digits coyotes in the daytime in the east. One thing is you've got to have the land access. That's number one. That's number one. And the one big thing is is the east uh when you talk about like say public land, public land in the east and public land in the west aren't even comparable. Especially when you're talking about coyotes, it's just total different type terrain, total different uh populations of coyotes. It's just and not near the acres of it versus east versus west. So, you can't even talk about that. Private property places in the east, you get into a ton of small acreage properties. So, it's harder to pick up a lot of acres in the east. So that's my first question is and it's just ballpark and if you don't want to answer it you don't have to but what do you think would be a ballpark figure on how many properties or how many acres it takes to kill 100 coyotes in the daytime in the east. I have no idea. I mean you done talk about you had property in three different counties. Well no I've got property in uh let's see let me think. Well I hunt I I live in Hancock County. So I I live in Hancock County. I hunt Hancock, Hawkins, Clayurn, Granger. Uh, and I've got some scattered braces in Hamlin County that I It's rare that I hunt. Uh, but you need them, you got them. Yeah. I mean, it's rare. And then, you know, uh, Cole Mton, good friend of mine right there. A lot of people listen, A lot of people listen to this knows Colt. He's he's more well known to me for sure. But uh he uh he lives in Jer County, you know, and and I hunt some over and there with them boys. Occasionally have him and him and Jordan Barbie and uh but uh you know over them. So you could say I hunt pretty consistently. You know, I hunt and I've got my own ground in in four and five count four or five counties. Uh you know, I ain't counting what I hunt with them boys, which I don't count that as mine, you know. I don't do that, you know. But as far as acreage and number of farms, I'm telling you, I I've had people ask me how many acres they think I've got. I have no earthly clue. I I just I've got a lot. I mean, and I ain't saying that to boast or to brag or No, no, no. Well, I can't you can't have 5,000 acres and expect to kill 100 coyotes in the daytime. No, no, no. And it's it's tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. It's it's a lot of land. and and and see I got this ground by literally knocking when I started uh predator hunting you know I knew a lot of people and here where I live I live in a super small town like uh you know one of the one of the smallest you know we got two red lights I mean it's you know I live so I know everybody and everybody knows me yeah and uh so around here it was no trouble for me to to to gain access in this county that I live in you know to to to hunt coyotes, you know. There's been a few people tell me no. You know, even the people that knows me, there's been a few people, but uh everybody experiences that, right? Yeah. But now beyond that, that come from me just getting out knocking on doors and and maybe having a maybe having a mutual friend with the people that that live there and on the farm being like, you know, do you know so and so? You know, I you know, whatever. I hunt on him and all this kind of thing. and and over the years, you know, the first couple of years, that's what I done, and I gained a lot of access that way. And then the last two or three years, I pick up ground by word of mouth, you know, uh yeah, just just people, you know, talking about that I hunt and that I kill a few here and there and all this and everything. And, you know, people want rid of them. If they're having a problem, they'll reach out. I mean I uh it's it's just it takes a lot of work. People don't really I don't think people really knows what what it some people know. Yeah. But you know a lot of people just don't understand how much time and effort goes into it on the outside looking in. It's it's Yeah, I agree. But as far as the ground and how much ground and I I really a lot I couldn't put a number on. I wouldn't know how to start. Like I just wouldn't know how to start, you know. Well, that that pretty much that pretty much answers it really. I'll put it this way. There ain't many places in Hancock County. If I want to hunt, I can, you know, I just need to ask. And there's a few people that's moved in here from other other state. Well, not a few, a lot of people in the last three or four years, but you know, I've lost permission on deal like that. And I lost one of the biggest farms I had. Me and Cole was actually hunting the the camel boy tournament there in middle Tennessee last winter. And we went and made a stand on a farm I had. It was about 700 acres. That's a big farm here where I live. Like that's a big farm. It's huge cuz a lot of them is going to be under a 100. Under a 100. Yeah. And this was a good one. And it it was it's long and narrow. So it covers a lot of a lot of territory. Yep. And uh you can make three or four stands on it, you know. And it's been one of the best farms I've ever hunted and consistently year after year. And we come to the truck and there was a note on my truck said no hunting. And I was like, well, I've I've traded trucks, you know. I said, I've traded trucks. This guy don't know. They don't know it's legal. So I call him. He said, "Man," he said, "I let some boys go in there." He said, "Uh, and night hunting ain't when the rifle ain't legal in in Tennessee." But, uh, to be honest with you, John, he he I can't remember if he told me he let him go or if they just went on their own. But either way, somebody shot a registered Angus bull he had. Yeah. And how they pulled that off, you I'm sure they could tell. They may have shot out a coyote and missed and it went over a ridge and yeah, who knows? Who knows? But anyway, he cut all the hunting out. So, you know, I lost that big farm and that really Oh, that that's that just that was terrible. But it was year round, you know. It was year round. It was a good place. But like I said, far as the how much land or how many properties, I swear I if I said it'd be a lie, you know. So, I don't Let me ask you, let me ask Well, one thing I want to put out, you know, Chad's talking about hunting with these other guys and stuff. When I talking about 100 coyotes, you'll see some people talking about, yeah, we killed x amount of coyotes. Well, it's you're talking about four or five different people all pulled together and he was on the stand they killed that Chad killed triple digit coyotes himself. I've seen a lot more than 100 coyotes killed this year, but killed 100 just himself. Yeah. That that's not counting the ones my buddies has killed and stuff. Yeah. But now, but another another thing there with that um you was talking about how many acres it takes and stuff. Well, the thing is all these properties that you get, you know, not all of them, you know, everybody goes. Exactly. That's what we fix say. You know, you might pick up ground, but it don't mean that grounds any good. So, the next part is you got to you got to have the coyotes to go on on all that property. Yeah. Uh so how much when talking about killing that many coyotes well under you know 12 months well under a year um how many how many of those coyotes were located coyotes versus versus blind co and I and I know you can't put a number on it but I mean located coyotes I can actually tell you pretty close right here John you got it wrote down you must knew I was going to ask you no but this just and this this ain't located coyotes completely you you know this this and I mean some of these coyotes right here uh when I say these numbers some of them by the months you'll be able to tell so I start locating in June you know that's kind of when I start hunting locating coyotes in June July August September and then I ain't going to lie I mean I keep trying to do it cuz I I don't I just don't like making blind stands I I mean and you know I hear a lot of talk and like I said people out west like you said you know and I understand that you know I've been out West one time I hunted northwest Oklahoma one time me and my buddy Sloan. Uh uh we went out there and hunted some public ground and we did this was the second this was been in 2020. So this was a year after I started. I guess it could have been 2021. I'd have to look back through my pictures, but either way, you know, we killed uh we killed seven out there in in three days, and we just was we didn't know nothing about and I mean, we went somewhere we'd never been and just took off calling, killed seven and let three get away from us. Uh and we seen more coyote sign out there. I couldn't believe how much sign that was out there, you know, the tracks and the roads. It's totally It's totally different. The numbers and that's where Yeah, I know exactly what you're getting at. And and yeah, I see I could tell they probably listen to the podcast. They're like, "Everybody talking about locating coyotes and you know call." Well, there's a reason why. Come out here and just start making stands. I'd like to I'd like to see how many that they could kill and just come out and just set up and and play the rabbit, you know, everywhere you go and just you kill some. You're going you're going to kill some. But but you know I I remember driving down a little dirt road out there in Oklahoma first day we got there and and saw my buddy. He he got out of the truck and he was looking there in the road. He said, "My god." He said, "Look at all." He said, "Re you think this is dogs?" And I mean we was in the middle of nowhere and I got out looking. I said, "No, that's cy tracks." And I mean they was scat and stuff laying there. And I mean, you know, you do not see that here. Like you can't just pull off on a dirt road around here and see sign up and down the road, you know? I mean, you might occasionally, but not not to that degree. But anyway, let me get back to what I'm getting at is I stopped locating in uh in June. So, I'll go over real quick. It's going to take just a second. This kind of give you an idea how many of them were located. Uh I killed nine coyotes in January. I killed four in February. I killed five in March. Killed two in May. Okay. I started locating in June, right? Mhm. Okay. I killed seven in June. I killed 16 in July. I killed 27 in August. I killed 18 in September. And I can tell you that in June, July, August, and September, 90% of them coyotes were located. So you could run them. I don't know what that is the math right there. But so you know most all them kind of oats right there were located uh to be honest with you. I can't think back. I went hunted one day with Colt and Jordan uh early in June and we hunted uh and made some blind stands but the blind stands we were making were fresh cut hay fields that people had just seen kind of was on day before you know so we knew they were close. So, you know, I don't necessarily technically call that located, but we knew they were close. And uh so, but you could say most of them are most all them was was located. I mean, and like I said, whatever that number is, I don't I don't even know. But uh but like I said, that's so you could tell how that trends right there from Yeah. nine in January, four in February, five in March, two in May. All those would have been blind stands. I don't even I didn't make any effort to locate. Yeah. Seven in June, 16 in July, 27 in August, 18 in September, and then okay, start here in October. You locate and kind of it gets less productive. I killed nine. I killed nine in October. Yep. And I've killed seven so far in November. So, it trends, you know, you can tell when I've been locating and what I, you know, just by that. Just by that. You're right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And like you said, and like I mentioned, I've got ground I can hunt here in this county about anywhere that I want. And I I mean, yeah, these people ain't going to let me hunt, of course. But majority of people, I can I can get permission, you know, if I ask, I've already got permission. But there's a lot of places that I've got ground that they just it don't hold coyotes. It's just the way it is. I mean, it ain't there. Well, the next thing I want to ask you is about efficiency. I'm assuming, you know, how much how much how much ammo did you go through? Did you keep a big part of this what especially when you're talking about the east, you better be killing what you call in. You so tell me what you and I know you don't know but uh how much ammo you go through to kill them kill him 100. Let's say I can tell you did you shoot 500 times to kill a 100 or you shoot 105 times to kill? No, I shot more than 105, but I didn't shoot 500 things. But so I I I was I wasn't old. I mean, I did miss some. There was one morning in particular I could think back right here in in February that uh Oh, I was I was upset. I had I called up uh uh well, actually end up being a triple and I don't know, my gun got knocked off somehow. I come home, shot it, and it was off. And uh I missed two that morning and fooled around and finally killed one. And honestly, to be honest with you, it was luck that I killed it. I mean, pure luck. I mean, it just I could tell I was shooting high as it was real, it was real frosty and I could see my bullet, you know, hitting over its back and the first two run off and the third one come down there and I finally shot over it back and I just going to aim low and I did and got it just pure luck and killed it. Yeah. But uh I mean I may obviously miss everybody misses. I don't like to admit it, but uh when you get a coyote run up on you three or four steps and you're sitting there with a shotgun, hit it comes in on you offside, you know, uh it's either one of them deals you shoot now or if I ever hold your peace, you know, and I I'm pretty efficient with my shotgun. I, you know, I'm not, but I do miss. I'll put it that way. I do miss, but I I killed 66 of them with a shotgun. That's pretty impressive. Pretty impressive. Out of 103, I killed 66 with a shotgun. So Bryce Henley little fox trot right there. He's there he's been a lot of his uh a lot of his powder burnt right here in the close to home for sure. And uh but if you hit him with that stuff, that's what they're dead. Yeah. You ain't got to worry about tracking them. I mean, you know, that's what you you Well, maybe you uh maybe you hit I think you might have hit that in there a little bit or something. You know, buddy of mine one day I shot and it turned and run. I told you about the two that got morning. It was raining. Yeah. That went wrong. He said I hit acted funny like you might have hit. I said, "No, if I hit it, he'd be laying right there. It' been rolled up. It been the pile." Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. How many How many times did you uh make the same stands or call the same general location to get those hunter? Quite a few really. And that comes from like going in there and killing one or two and then waiting and coming back killing another another one and stuff like that. How did it Well, let me let me kind of let me think here. I you know that definitely happens. I can I can tell you a couple of a couple of instances just off the top of my head right here that uh me and my my little boy there at Gentry we went one morning I located a group they was in a real easy spot to get to and that's something else that's pretty rare around here. A lot of times they'll be in top of Newman Ridge or you know you don't know where that's at but they'll be somewhere rough as a cob you know and uh you know he was a pretty easy place I said I'm going to run home and get him so got him took him back over there and we set up and I knew it was going to be jammed up. I mean everything was perfect and uh he took like I say he's 8 years old and he took my 20 gauge and I had it with Bryce's uh Foxtrot number threes and that thing is deadly. I mean, he and but he just ain't really big enough to handle it, you know. I mean, he just he just can't hardly pick it up, move it, you know, in the woods and and uh I called up a quad that morning and he he couldn't get his shotgun up and it was just a disaster. And anyway, they come in there close. Anyway, they left and I went back the next week, week and a half and they had moved probably 250 or 300 yards around that ridge and I moved down in there on them and I had to get in tight. And I set up on them a couple of times that morning before I ever got they never would move. And I kept moving up, moving up and finally called up three of them and killed three of them. And I know it was the same coy cuz that little ridge there where they was at I I know it was them, you know. So that was I called up four that morning. Went back in there and called up and killed three out of that bunch. And then not long after I got the X360, I had talked to Tori on the phone some about it there. And he told me, he said, "I want you to notice something." Cuz Tori, he knows I do a lot of what he does, you know, with a shotgun and everything. And uh uh he said, "I want you to notice how them cows work at cow." Yep. And he he told me about cuz it's throwing cuz it's throwing sand everywhere. He told me about it. I was like, "And I ain't going to lie. Listen, I wouldn't discredit Tory Cook for nothing. You know, Tori, in my book, he's he probably got more intelligence about a coyote than anybody they are that you know out there. He's he's done a lot for the predator hunting industry right there. But, uh, he uh he told me he said they'll work that call different. And I done killed a couple over with my rifle stuff and I thought I really, you know, never noticed much difference. I thought, well, I'll pay attention. Well, I went in this place where guy uh not too far town right here been telling me he'd been hearing them, you know, and I could never could get him to answer me. I tried to locate him and he was in this big big ridge just a lot of territory in there and they could be anywhere in there. So, I wasn't just going to go in there in the blinds, you know. And uh finally got them locate one morning and I went in there and set up and uh them coyotes come up and for whatever reason they worked that X360 differently than they were my X24 and they I expect them to come right down my gumball and they did until they got close and then I guess that speaker was throwing two of them speakers was throwing more sound off to the right. Yep. and and they worked that ridge and come up there and there was a little null between me and like my cow was right out in front of me and that holler turned off to my right. Well, my call was actually a little bit to my right and that holler turned off steep to my right. So, they come and side healed that and I could hear him right there. I believe he was 20 yards. I was like, "Holy smokes." There was a quad. I was like, "Holy smokes." And I had a chance to shoot one of them out there and I let them get away. That's a that's a that's a side note on it talking about working different. You know, we're talking about he's done caught these coyotes into 20 steps. It ain't like they did. They're doing this at 200. It's 20 steps. And I could have shot him. I could have shot one of them down there at 25 yards, but I was going, like I said earlier, got greedy trying to kill more. And I went back later point get to the get to the point here. Ended up them got away. You just kind of come up. They never did figure me out. They just they come up and they just like you said, they was in tight. I mean, I'm talking at one point they was 20 yards or or something. I was just over that little rise and uh and they just couldn't see what they wanted to see and they left. So, I I I got them to locate again uh sometime in October. I actually got out early in October and I went back in there and set up and called in three of them and killed two of them. And uh so that's that's two times that happens quite a bit and and and that comes from John what we talked about earlier not burning them down the first time you go in there. Like if I go in there and I set up on them and I see it ain't going to work, you know, as bad as I want to. Sometimes I get I just want to so bad find or try to do this or try to get real aggressive and I'm like ah you know I know I'll be better off just to come back and and I do that a lot and that you ask how many times we'll hunt the same group. It's a lot of times I do that, you know. I may set up on one group, sometimes two or three times before I before I really get in them like I want to, you know, and occasionally I may kill one, you know, I may they may be one that's kind of uh outside the family group where they're where they're at, you know, I may call up a single and kill it and then and then go back in there. The family group never really knows what happened there. you know, you're still 200 yards from them, uh, 250 or whatever, and you get one of the, you know, one of the, uh, a lot of times it'll be the male. They'll come out and check like that. They'll slip around there, and you, a lot of times I can kill them and go back and, and later, and sometimes they will have moved from where you, you know, later you get in the year, they will move. But several times I go back and kill out of the same group of coyotes. If I didn't, you know, I would never hit them numbers. I mean that's just because I ain't got that many coyotes but Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Um one thing to touch on just uh for information for people is talking about that X360. I'm working it different. Yeah. I meant to go into what's going on is when these coyotes are come in real close tight. Now this is just for select people cuz we're talking about most people most people won't ever notice it. Yeah. Never notice it. And the thing the thing is what they do when they get so close that if you've got all of your speakers on when they get so close they're noticing in that that sound is is being thrown in 360 degrees. So they almost kind of start circling it a little bit and they and sometimes the lay of the land and the terrain right there will dictate how they do that. Now, the the thing to remember, guys, on this X360, what we've done is you can turn individual speakers off. You can run just one set of speakers. You can you can run two speakers at a time, you can run all the speakers, you can either flip switches off on the unit itself to turn off or Yep. You can go in the menu on your remote. So, like if you're setting up and you're like, "Well, I want to make sure coyotes don't circle over here to the left when they get close." You turn that left point speaker off and you're throwing it, you know. So, and it just you you you set it up to steer the coyotes exactly where you want it. Exactly. There's many options with that X360. You can run with all seven speakers getting with it or you can turn individual speakers off uh to to help place the coyotes exactly where you want them. I I I'll say this real quick on that, John. Uh I wasn't trying to take nothing from the X3. Anybody out there listening, it wasn't like that. But when you're in them in them tight quarters and you've got a little roll in the heel, you know, they could come up right there at 20 yards like those done me and just get just a little bit nervous and be like, "What's going on?" you know, and then they so they're gone. Now, you're out in the field. I had this happen uh right before right before um bow season opened here in Tennessee. Uh that Friday, I think actually before I made a rifle stand and it's big field, big field and uh uh it's kind of set up, you know, you set up kind of at the bottom and because a lot of these pasture fields are run up on these hillsides until it gets so steep they can't pasture, you know. And uh I located them coyotes in there that morning and moved in there and they answered me. And that was one of them deals where uh I couldn't get close to them cuz that feels so open and like if I get too tight to the foot of that ridge, I can't see nothing if that makes sense. And I had to set back out. But either way, I seen an advantage to that. Uh if you're setting up in a field and they come out there, them two coyotes come in that there's a a male and female and they come off that hill and I mean they was burning down. It was late in the stand and I was playing no co's blood bath and uh it was late in the stand and pretty pretty deep into that sound file. I mean, it's probably high, you know, pretty deep into that and it gets pretty aggressive and they come off that hill running macho, whatever they can run and uh down there and they just and you know, I've seen them run right up on that X24 and just see the call and be done there blistering away, you know. Uh I couldn't I didn't try to stop them coming off the hill because they was running so fast and I just let them kind of do their thing. But when they come down there and got to that call, there was a couple little rolls in that heel and they were confused. Yeah. So there was a split second right there that they was like, you know, where's this sound coming from? So I shot the male and it was hit like it was it was crazy to watch him because normally they could pin that down and they that male when I was on my scope looking I could see him in there. He was whooping that head back and forth, you know, looking. He he was just halfway confused exactly what sound coming. So it bought me enough time to shoot the male. The female leaves and I I keep a uh well 90% of the time I keep a diaph round in my mouth. The female turns and I howled at her out there about 250 and she stopped and turned broadside and I shot her and killed a double. But you know when they come down there if I felt like that helped. I feel like they they didn't run right up on top of that cow and it was a like that was an advantage that day. I put it that way. Well, one thing if people do enough of it of trying to call coyotes in extremely close to the call, you know, Yeah. Well, shotgun hunters learn this, especially if they shotgun a lot of coyotes. Say if you're running X24 style unit, it's one one set of speakers, you know, you got your your horn speaker and your tweeter and it's directional. However you set that call, whether you have it facing straight away from you, kind of canered off to the left, right, whatever. What you'll notice if you call coyotes in extremely close to the call, I'm talking about within steps of the call, they'll end up they want to end up in front of it, like where the speaker is facing it. They want to go to the source of Yes, they will. So, there's strategy that goes in with that. how you actually set that call to actually steer them exactly where you want to shoot them at. And it's one thing when you're talking about just trying to shoot one at 300 yards. It's another thing when you're talking about shooting one at 15 steps. Yeah. 20 steps, 25 steps or less. So like with this X360, there's a few things that you can do. you know, if you're trying to place them within 20 steps of you, you know, you're burning down with the shotgun. Depending on the lay of land and stuff like that, you're going to want to turn certain speakers off. Another thing that that I don't know if you've ever tried this, you ever tried that advanced 360 mode where randomly throw it? A lot of a lot of times when you're running that, they don't you know it's it's randomly throw it. They just run they don't run. They just run straight to it. It's the craziest dag on thing. It is wild. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen actually seen it just a couple of weeks ago on that that deal right there. That advanced 360 and and like you you was talking about when they get in tight like that, they'll work that sound. It's kind of like, you know, they don't worry as much about the wind when they're out there following. When they start getting in close to you, they'll start trying to go down wind. It's the same way that sound like Yep. It's the exact same. It's the same thing. And whenever you're working them in there, getting them in tight, you know, you want to put them in a spot. And that morning, I'm talking about whenever them got over that hill. I set that Kyle up according to the wind that morning. Yeah. But they got in so close, you know, they could it just it just it I expected them to come right down my gun barrel where they was at. But but way worked out, I went back and killed them later. So, but uh but yeah, knowing where they're at, it's huge. That's for sure. And then being able to go back and set up on groups, you know, multiple times, that's that's a big deal for sure. And then not and not showing your whole hand like you said, the first time you're in there. Yeah. Well, that and that's the thing you'll get into like with them circling to the source of the sound where it's actually you'll see it with bobcats, too. If you'll call a bobcat up and let them come all the way to the call, say if you run X24 style, they don't go and try to stick their their face in the battery door. They'll come in and actually sit down right in front of where the sound come. Is this what they do? Um, but I want to I got a We We're starting to run out of time. I got a just a handful of questions. All right. Just short answer type stuff. We'll seeuh see what your opinion is on a few things. You ready for it, Chad? I'm ready. Yeah. The first one here, I want to see if you if you're what I would consider just a coyote flatout coyote killer here. Let's say you're walking into a coyote stand and you spot a coyote out in the open out in the field and he and he's in range where you can shoot him. You can kill him. You gonna go ahead and shoot him or you going to try to get set up and try to call him in? I'm going to wait. I'm going I'm going to normally I'm going to wait and let him go in timber. If he don't see me or something like that, I'll let him get gone and then set up and try to call him in. I've had and I won't go into it cuz like you said we're getting short on time but I had uh that happened to me back in August and it it turned into it would have probably been the best stand I made all year long and I messed it up. I just put it that way. I I I messed it up. So you you you like calling them up. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I won't see them come to the call. Yeah. I mean I I will shoot one occasionally like that or whatever. I ain't saying I'm above it or nothing like that. Oh yeah, that day I messed it up. That's what I done. But they were a lot further than I thought they was. And it just got it was a boo boo. It made me sick as a dog. But anyway, like I said, that's a long story. I know you you're a big deer hunter, big white tail deer hunter. Say you're say you're deer hunting. Coyote comes out, you shooting it or you giving it a pass? I'm gonna come back the next day with my cow. What I'm going to do? There you go. That's what I would do. You know, that's just that's just what I like. I mean, you know, I I used to I probably would have shot it. But the last uh last few years, I mean, you know, I just I enjoy calling him. So, I'm going to I'm going to sit there and watch him leave and think then I'm going to put it be like, "All right, he's here." And if there's a couple of them, that's even better. You uh more comfortable with a shotgun in your hands or a rifle in your hand? Uh either one really, but I'd have to say rifle. I mean, in in the winter time, I I do a lot more rifle stands because I'm doing more blind calling. And like I said, when you're in the timber with a shotgun, you're setting yourself up for for failure if you don't know where they're at. If you know where they're at, it's different. But, you know, with a rifle, you can kind of you can kind of call a couple of a bigger area, you know, try to call them into a field. But my confidence in my rifle went way up when I started shooting off a tripod. I'll put it that way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And but now my right my shotgun is that's my go-to. I tell everybody, you know, and I'm and I, you know, and I've got to throw Bryce I already have a plug, but I mean, you know, his his ammunition that and Bryce is a good guy. And if I if there's a coyote comes down my shotgun barrel and it leaves and he gets within 50 yards, it's my fault. It's on It's on you. It's on It's my And and normally I mean, like I said, I miss. No doubt about it. I miss occasionally, you know. Everybody does. But if they come walking down that shotgun barrel and they get within 50 or 60 yards of me, uh, they're they're they've had a bad day most of the time. I'm confident with my shotgun. I'm more confident in calling and hunting with shotgun in that in that locate, set up, hunt style than I am blind calling. Yeah. Yeah. I got about maybe three more for you. Maybe four. What's uh what Fox Pro unit you running? What's your favorite What's your favorite unit? If you're going to go tomorrow morning, what call you taking? Uh, probably right now, just to be honest with you, the X360. You know, it would be hard for me to say that I like it better than X24 cuz I just love that X24. It's It's just handy and it sounds good. But now, anybody out there that's not heard the X360, I'm not. It's impressive. It I listen, I'm not saying this because I'm on Fox Pro style. It does sound Well, you can you can run whatever Fox Pro you want to, right? Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying, right? I know. I'm saying I'm going right now. I'm I've been running the X360 and I like it. I did carry the X24 when I got the 99 cuz I wanted to kill one number 100 over the X24 cuz I said, you know, I carried it all them years. Yeah. And uh and that don't mean nothing to a lot of people. And them numbers don't mean nothing to a lot of people. But but the X360 and what I started to say, if you ain't heard it, some of these fats and some of these hows literally sound like different sounds coming out of that cy than they do. Yeah, it's true. That's true. So X3, now this is for year round calling. So it's not, you know, I'm talking about, you know, you got to it could be any time of the year. If I was going to hand you an X360 or X24 and say you got to use this unit all year and you can only have three sounds on it, what three sounds would you want me to program on there? Oh,
I would have to have some kind of distress for the winter time, you know. Uh, probably measures Mc Cottontail for winter time. That's I like it and rose bush cotton. That would be probably to me them's a tossup. I really like rose bush cotton. It's pretty new. That's MFK sound, but that's it's a that's a good one. But I'm going to say MC Cottontail, Boon Long Wine, and uh Happy Family Group. No greeting wines. Boon Long Wine, Greet Wines, and uh it's hard to pick three. It's hard. It's hard to pick three. You're around co I don't know. Yeah. So, you want to make sure you're calling coyotes in December just like you going to be calling them in July. Yeah, probably. Well, you have to have some kind of fight. So, let me back up and start that again. I'm going to take bone long wine. Yep. Broke pups. Yep. And measures cotton pill. So, you got you a good h got you a good pup distress and you got you a good good rabbit. I think you'll be killing a lot of co I think you'll kill coyotes every month. You'll be just fine. Now, what if I what if I said you can only have one sound? It would be a how problem. You got to take one. You got to take one sound, kill coyote 12 months out. I I know people out there would say, "My god, that boy's crazy." But it would be a how for me. I just I like using vocals and I have more luck. I can locate him with them vocals. I feel like if I say I had Boon, I would pick Boon Long Wine probably. And uh oh, you get close enough them coyotes and you're howling at them, they My thing with a house, my thing with a house being where I hunt and the way I hunt, I can take bone long wine. I can locate a coyote. I can move up again, play boon long wine and he may how again, may not. I can keep moving up because I know where he's at and I can kill him over boon wine, you know. Uh sir, you know, and I I wouldn't just let it all play at one time, you If he answered, I would I would I would uh cut it off when it pauses, you know, and then when I moved up again, I would let the whole how the whole series play out. And then hopefully by the second time, hopefully the first time he'd come to me. But I would pick a distress call, but I just I love I like vocals. I'm big on vocals and I like it because I like to know where they're at. There's no there's no I wouldn't say there's any wrong answers to this, you know. So I I think I think it's I think it's great. It's it's good stuff. I got I got one more for you. We're going to hop off here. And I don't know if you ever heard me ask this before, but you asked I asked you about what you was more comfortable in. Shotgun or rifle earlier. What about what about if your life depended on it? Say I dropped you off in a deserted island somewhere and said you can choose one caliber or a shotgun or whatever it is, but you can only get one bullet. And your job is you've got to call up a coyote and get it killed, but you've only got one shot to do it. So if you shoot and miss or I'm done. Wound him and he and he runs off, you you just going to have to waste away out there in that in that deserted area, you know, you got to, you know, eat dirt and sap off trees and all that crap. Or if you you can hop right in there and kill a coyote, you know, call a coyote up, knock him down dead, and I'll come back in there with helicopter and come pick you up. So my question is, what weapon are you taking? You get one shot to kill one coyote. What are you comfortable with to save your life? I'm going to take my Benelli Super Black Eagle 3 with a Fox Trot 2x4. 3-in Foxtrot 2x4. That's what I would take. Cuz you know, cuz you know you going to call him in close and that's going to mow him down. Yeah. And I know whatever you said take a chance on him running off wounded. I know if I hit him with that two or four fox drops, he's done a he ain't going to leave. And uh that that's what I would take. I'm just confident. Like I said, I'm confident with my rifle, but I'm just, you know, I've I've developed confidence in my shotgun and my strategy hunting with a shotgun. I'm I'm confident with it. I love it. I love it. Well, Chad, we appreciate you coming on here today, buddy. Well, John, I appreciate you having me and uh it's uh you know, it's this kind of thing. Something I never had I never have this first podcast I've ever been involved with or whatever, but appreciate you having me on. I enjoy listening to these things and uh appreciate what you do. And I mentioned Tori there, you know, MFK and what what guys like you and him, what you do right there and and pushing the sport and and uh appreciate you having me on. Well, we we enjoyed it. I think this is a good one. Glad you is on here. Hope everyone else enjoyed it and we hope you join us again right here on the FoxPro