In this episode of the FOXPRO Podcast, Jon Collins sits down with Pro Staffer Dusti Williams and discusses coyote hunting!
Welcome to the FoxPro podcast brought to you by FoxPro [music] Game Calls. Welcome back to the FoxPro podcast. We have a new guest for this episode. We've had several requests to get this hunter on the podcast and that hunter is Fox Pro staffer Dustin Williams. Dustin, how you doing, old buddy? We're doing pretty good this morning, John. Uh thanks for having us on and uh looking forward to it. Yeah, we've been uh we've been working on this for a few weeks, ain't we? We've been trying to get uh get connected and finally finally making it happen. It seems like every every couple well almost every episode of the podcast we've put out for the last couple months, I'll have some guy message me or comment on one of the post or something said when when's Dustin going to be on there? [laughter] So now we're making it happen. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It It's I, you know, I never thought a kayak would take me where it's took me in life, John. It's really been a blessing and uh it's very humbling. Um I've been fortunate to be successful with this some and uh have some guys that really support me and you know, like Fox Pro, man, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you do you do an excellent job. That's for sure. Won't you uh won't you tell everybody listening a little bit more about Dustin Williams? just give us a a short bio, I guess, who you are, where you're from, what you do, all that type of stuff. So, Dustin Williams, you know, I started u I started co hunting roughly 15 years ago and I started hunting in the daylight and did not have a clue what I was doing. Um, was told you can't call coyotes in Florida. That only happens out west. and just started studying and you know u I talked to Tori got found Tori and started talking to Tori and Tori helped me out a bunch just would uh answer phone calls and answer questions and just studied and got killing them in the daylight and I remember uh thinking man if I could ever get me a lot I'll uh yeah I'll be kill some of them coyotes [laughter] so you know I got me a lot I killed a couple more coyotes and I can still remember seeing the post on on Facebook and stuff of guys with stacks of coyotes and I was man if I I just wanted I wanted a picture with more than one coyote cuz when I first started I would hunt 10 or 15 times and not you know not kill a coyote kill a coyote and said I didn't have a clue what I was doing and as I progressed on and I got me some night vision and thought boy I get me some night vision I'll have it made rolled on in and you know obviously got into the thermal world and it it sort of snowballed for me there and just started posting pictures on on Facebook and videos and thought that was the coolest thing in the world, you know, just to be able to post a video uh so my buddies could see and didn't at the time. I didn't realize that I was really marketing myself, right? and then land owners started uh contacting me and now it's it's grown into you know me and my wife we own North Florida Livestock and Crop Protection. We actually have a business hunting coyotes and doing crop depradations and you know I work in the thermal industry and uh do my best to represent several companies in the industry and uh you know here we are now um just completed our sixth year in a row of killing over 300 coyotes a year a calendar year. Um and 98% of those coyotes come out of Florida. You know, you've had the one year we killed 500 and I stopped. Yeah. Yeah. So, hey, that's that's one thing that a lot of people don't realize is the number of coyotes that the state of Florida has. I'm actually fixing to leave for Florida, do a little bit of coyote hunting myself. Uh, and you know, I tell people out here, you know, asking, you know, what's what's going on? What's your next trip? And I said, well, going to Florida here in a few days. And so, what are you doing in Florida? vacation. I said, "No, I'm going down there shoot coyotes." And they, you know, people cannot believe that Florida has got coyotes. They not just have coyotes. You guys are overrun with them down there. It in in places we are, you know, um John, you know, a lot of people really don't realize that Florida's not Mickey Mouse in Miami. That's what's portrayed. Florida's really nothing but agriculture and cattle once you get out of those few urban areas, you know, up up here in my part of Florida. Um here here around home I have uh I have a little over a half a million acres that I hunt as crop land and some cattle land. Now we used to have a pile of coyotes. Um now the the farmers are telling me, "Hey, we don't hear coyotes hardly anymore. We don't see very many coyotes, but you've killed all these coyotes. You got to start shooting deer." here. So now I I stay busy with, you know, crop depradation permits and we we still kill a few coyotes, but uh man, the the days of killing 10, 15 every night you went. Um those days are far behind me. I do believe those are you don't get many double digit nights anymore. Well, um you just had you and your your wife just got finished. I don't know was a couple weeks ago had a uh you talking about those 10 12 15 coyote nights are few and far between now. Y'all just had a one single coyote stand that produced 10 coyotes off the same stand, didn't you? We we did. Now that that wasn't on our recreational ground. That was on one of our big cattle ranches. And man, you talk about u talk about a great stand. um that we actually killed 20 that night and we killed I think 14 the night before and uh four or five cats. So the the stars lined up on for that week. Um we actually um that weekend we killed 55 coyotes off that uh off that ranch. But uh so the coyote the coyote stand with 10 um I worked down there with with with some biologist and they had told me they said hey we got um pictures of of we know six coyotes over here in this area you know but it's it's on the border of the ranch so if you get a chance to go over there fine if not okay. I said, "Okay, well, we had we had got to go into that part of the ranch and the fog was starting to set in." Well, if you've ever been to Florida, and I'm sure you've been here, some of these cattle ranches are are growed up with smut grass and Johnson grass, and yeah, this is, you know, it's a real thick grass. Um, looks like a really thick sage broom. So, we come through this gate going in there and me and Amanda was like, "Well, this ain't going to be good because we can't see in here." And we're getting starting to get into the area that we want to be in and it the Johnson grass sort of dies out and it's just some sage broom. Well, now the fog setting in and luckily I I you know, I have a high rack on my truck to hunt in these cattle ranches. Yep. So, I'm getting about 50 yard from where I want to get and I I'm getting down into a bottleneck where sort of two fields come together and I'm almost getting to where I can sort of see the bigger part of both fields. And Amanda looks at me and she says, "Husband, there's one standing right out the window." So, I looked out her window and I could see one standing out in the grass. So I got out and jumped up on my rack and she hollered, "Hey, in front of us." She didn't realize the one was still standing there. So I looked in front of us and there was a coyote in front of us in the grass about 75 yards. So I shot him. The other coyotes running off and I told her, I said, "Hey, get out. Put the call out." Well, she put the call out. I was still on the rack. She just throwed it right there, more or less at the driver's door. And uh she uh she turned the call on man and I hit pound town and I got to spin it around up there on top of that rack and I'm pretty sure you could hear the bearings in my ball head squealing and she hollered, "Husband, here here comes one." And and now where we can see these coyotes coming, you're you're getting to see them about a hundred yards. Well, keep in mind they're in the grass and in the fog, right? Right. And and they are they are coming. And I mean they they they they've drank them a little bit of race fuel. So the first hard hard chargers. I mean hard charging. So, um, they, uh, the first coyote, he's coming and he come when he comes by me, he's 30 yards and I popped a shot at him running. I never thought he was going to stop, so I stayed on him and he run out there and I never had a chance to mute my call. He runs out there and um in the grass and stops again and I killed him. And about that time, Amanda says, "Husband, here comes another one." Well, I look and he's skirting me out the edge of a pond that a thicket and he comes out about 50 yards and stops long enough and I killed him. Um, and I I looked down I said, "Wife, what in the world?" She said, "I don't know, but here comes two more." [laughter] And so all the others those others come in as singles, you know, just single like you kill one other come out then now you got two coming, right? And I mean, and like I said, it's close quarters. Amanda's still on the ground. So really, what she can see is down sort of down this little damn road and through this sage broom. Yeah. Well, these coyotes, they're not stopping. I I mean, when the fir when the first one gets uh when he finally gets to about 30 yards, I said, "Wife, if you can kill him, kill him." And usually we are we're very much in sync and try to run a very organized set. Yeah. Yeah. There was zero there was zero um organization on this set here. Well, the coyotes get chaotic. That stuff just happens. Yeah. Well, the [snorts] the term it got western is fully lived. So, you know, this guy Amanda shoots him right in the face about 30 steps. The other one comes by me and I'm trying and I can't never get on him. That kite runs down and goes behind me about 80 yards and just stops. You know, he had to it's time for him to do his business. I killed him and before I could get turned around, Amanda says, "Husband, here comes another one." So, how how many how many coyotes you got on the ground at this point? At this point, we're we're not even sure, right? I mean, it's like you're shooting, looking around, and here comes and they're coming out this fog, you know? So, they look like a ghost coming. So, here comes the next coyote. Single file. He's running down the road. And I I told her, Amanda, I said, if you can kill him, kill him. Well, she shoots miss. I shoot miss. He turns to go away. I shot. Well, when I cycled my boat, [clears throat] when I I killed that coke when he was leaving, um when I cycled my bolt, I didn't think I heard a bullet go in, right? And I said, keep in mind, all I've done is hit my hot button and I've I've switched to a another fight. And at this point, I know I've played Pound Town. I've played Den Vicious. Um, and I'm just switching these sounds back and forth. Mhm. I said, "Wife, I'm out of bullets." So, she leaves the front of the truck, runs to the back seat, grabs my bullet box, and throws it to me on the high rack. And I looked up and I said, "Wife, here comes another one." Well, this coyote, when he comes by the truck, he's 10 yards of the truck and he's growling and barking. And so him and Amanda passes each other. And I thought, well, you know, my gun didn't click. So I jump back up on my gun. when he runs over there where there's two other dead coyotes and gets over and goes the barking on them and I spin around there on him. Click and I looked up and I told Amanda I said please shoot that coyote. She's trying to get back to her gun. Her and the coyote, you know, they've just passed each other at five or six yards. Yeah. I'm trying to load my my mag and I look up and I said, "Wife, here comes two more." [laughter] And so she shot the co, you know, that was barking. And I get four or five bullets, loaded my mag, slam my mag, get around chambered, and these two has slowed up just enough they wed up and stopped. And we killed both of them. So I I asked Amanda, I said, "Hey, how many coyotes did you kill?" She said, "I think I killed three." Yeah. She said, "How many did you kill?" I said, "So I I go to counting and I said, I I think I've killed six or seven." Yeah. So then we started having to watch videos and then we realized that we didn't get all the videos of the whole stand and I've been asked, you know, several times to post videos of the stand. Well, we didn't get all the videos. So, right, luckily the coyotes that was the the bittersweet part of the coyotes that was laying right there by the truck that wasn't in the grass, we got those but one of those videoed. So when we went to counting coyotes and and find picking up coyotes, ended up picking up 10 and I know two got by us because there was one standing behind me booger barking and there was one from where they was coming from booger barking. So like that you know that's just an absolute dream stand to kill to even call 10 is crazy but to kill 10 is just out of this world. Is that was that just like a humongous family group or was this two different family group two or three different family groups? it was kind of uh crossing each other's paths at the right time or what was going on there you think? Um John, they they were sort of in a a very where they could have been at in this area. They they had to be one large family group and I don't know where they come from. I've killed coyotes in that exact area before. Um you know, and the last time I had killed coyotes in that area, it I didn't didn't kill nowhere near that many. I just killed a pair. But it sort of happened the same way with coyotes in the fog and and through the thick grass. Um, you know, they was th this cattle ranch has a huge herd of cattle and they was cving a lot of calves on the ground. Yeah. So I don't know if that contributed to it, but you know, if somebody would have told me that, hey, there's 12 coyotes in a family group right there, I'd have been like, I don't know about that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you just don't you just don't hear about that. So, I mean, that's pretty insane. It's you know that that's something as a coyote hunter you you'll fight with people that don't or not say fight but argue with people that doesn't know about coyotes and they're like, man, there's 20 of them. Like, listen, I really wish there was 20 because right, there's two, you know, but there there's really two, you know, four. Four is a big number, but most time it's two. And uh it's so yeah that uh so we killed those 10 and uh go down the road to the next set. Call in a pair just as pretty as you wanted to see across a big bald field. Yep. And about the time we said three on the countdown, they left and we missed both of them. And I I looked at Amanda and I said, "What happened?" [laughter] Ju just killed just killed 10. and you know a chaotic mess and out here in the wide open we just textbook double get away. Oh yeah just just that was too easy you know. Yeah. No I think everybody's been in situations situations like that. [laughter] All right. If you haven't and you coyote hunt very much, don't worry. Your time is coming where that pair runs in there, you know, 100 yards as pretty as you ever wanted and when it's all said and done, you're looking at each other going, "We suck." [laughter] I mean, yeah, that happens that happens to that's happened more than more than a few times to me. It wasn't too long ago. We were on a on a filming trip actually is me and another guy and we on this particular stand end up calling four coyotes and one wad and one was leading the pack, you know, way out ahead of the others and we kind of held off said, "Hey, let's let these other three catch up and we'll get them all up here in this little draw and we'll kill we'll kill every one of them." We didn't kill none of them. They all end up getting [laughter] away. They ended up getting some cow get in between, you know, some cows were mingled in there and it just it turned into a mess and I think uh one of us ended up shooting not me and missed uh at a at a long range co let them get up there and spent too much time and ended up winning the call and all that crazy stuff. But that Yes, sir. that happens. But 10 coyotes on one stand called 12, killed 10. That's absolutely remarkable. Even though it was chaotic and got western, you guys were extremely efficient. Um, and it sound like almost all those coyotes were killed at very close range. What was the closest coyote and what was the furthest coyote out of that? Um, I I would say the closest coyote was 25 or 30 yards and the furthest coyote was probably 125 yards. And that was just something he stopped out there in that grass and I could see see, you know, see his heat sitting there through the grass and I really just threaded the needle and it it it it hit him. It was just his time. Yeah. Yeah. It it was one of those situations where hey it you if you're going to make this happen, this is your last opportunity. And I couldn't see nothing but his more or less his neck and his head. So I Yeah. I sent him a package and he received it. [laughter] Yeah. And that and that's awesome. That's that's uh what it sounds like you just hitting hot buttons uh going through different fights and and stuff like that. But that stand played out excellent and I think that's a testament to the calling and to the cause and your all's experience, you know, experience in the field and stuff like that because, you know, I love hearing about all kinds of coyote hunting stories. You kill a coyote, I don't care how it transpired. I like hearing the story, but you know, I think what really sets it apart besides for the huge number of coyotes on one stand, you'll see these guys, these big pile of coyotes and they'll talk about, yeah, killed all these coyotes from 200 yards to 850 yards. Yeah, they 850 yards. That is extremely impressive. You're an excellent shot. And I'll never take anything away from that. But man, listen, I'm a coyote caller at heart. And when I hear about people killing big numbers on a single stand and the furthest coyote shot was 120 something yards and the closest one was 25 or 35 steps, that's pretty awesome. I mean, you had to do your things. Were y'all set up was just perfect? No. No. You run the stand. I mean, it was awesome. Awesome. It just worked out. It was not perfect. I [laughter] if you if you if you told Amanda that you'd rather have them at 30 yards than 200, she might argue with you on that cuz [laughter]
we we sound like that that little guy off the Rugrats that can't talk. By the time that stand was done, she could not put a sentence together. [laughter] Hey, it sound like she did like them up close if she got that excited. Yeah. I mean, she she said she don't know if she could ever handle another set like that because there's nothing that we've ever experienced that, you know, can uh that can prepare you for that, man. It's it's what we live for though is stands like that. I mean, absolutely. Because I I mean, I can tell you I've made several stands in the past. You know, you pull up there to a spot and go, "Hey, I'm just going to see if this is going to work. maybe some coyotes to answer us. You know, I don't have no confidence in this spot, but I just want to see if I can get something to answer. And the next thing you know, you got a quad rolling in on you. Yeah, we we on that particular cattle ranch, we we have a little a little place in the S-curves. um that you know it's not a bad spot you know looking not a badl looking spot but we pulled up there one night just to say hey just want to see if we can locate some coyotes from here and killing a coyote and next time we come back we killed a quad and we killed a triple we killed another quad a quint from that spot and it's like so that that's one of those little spots you know we we always make sure that we uh we stop at Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, talking about your wife, too. You know, talking about her being on stand with you, people that don't know Dustin and his wife, you know, they do this business together. She's not what I would call your average coyote hunter or caller. She is a straightup killer. She probably kills more coyotes in a single year than than what easily 70% of hunters out there. you were talking about a pretty pretty dynamic duo. Um, and her to get so excited on that stand. I think it says it all. But that's one thing I actually want to ask you about, Dustin. You know, you guys are husband and wife duo. Y'all spend tons of time hunting together. What is it? What's it like hunting with you with your spouse? Well, you know, people ask me that all the time, John. Um, I I have been blessed with an amazing wife. Um, you know, when it comes to coyote hunting, she would she would about rather hunt a coyote than she had breathe. Um, you know, she she don't like to fish. She don't duck hunt. She likes to turkey hunting. She likes to hunt a big deer. But when it comes down to it, if she's deer hunting or somewhere or she's turkey hunting and a coyote fires up, she's switching gears, [laughter] we we can be on a job, you know, we can be doing crop depradations for deer or something and the coyotes fire up. Well, that Yeah, the the deer just got put on hold. Yeah. Um you you know if I'm off traveling and we get calls come in for you know a problem coyote she'll go right by herself and she'll go kill coyotes right by herself or deer hogs and just recently me and a on one of our farms that we deer hunt on. They had some calves in and she uh we was well the week we was gone down to our cattle ranch uh there. They uh we had some a pair of coyotes show up on one of the places we deer hunt and they decided they was going to lay out there in front of her camera multiple times a day. Uhhuh. So she I had some company coming in and she come right on home and she called me and she said I'm I'm going over there to the farm and so she went over and killed them coyotes. Yeah. So they they had they had to pay some taxes. [laughter] But uh you know she she she she don't need any help deer hunting. I get tickled just watching her deer hunt. Um cuz buddy when she gets after one, she she's going to she going to get him eventually. You sent me you sent me pictures earlier in the year what uh what she got. She's a she's a hunter. That's for sure. That's for sure. Ain't no doubt about it. Yeah. She she's killed some she has killed some natural fine deer. Well, how how did you you know the husband and wife duo, how did you all get into the predator control and crop destruction business? I mean, something just fell in your lap or is that something that you pursued or Well, it it it both. Yeah, we [laughter] some some of both it just sort of it just sort of happened. Um, you know, I was, um, as I started to grow and get more um, so I I said, you know, I'm going to form a LLC. You know, at least I can at times make some money, but how, you know, help me write some of this gear off. And um, then it it just started uh, it really it started snowballing and then, uh, I started getting a lot of calls to little ranchets and, you know, 10 or 15 acre tracks. Um, you know, I have a video on social media where I hunted a a 7 acre horse pasture or like in a horse farm and and called six coyotes through the the paddics and uh ended up I don't know how I ended up killing all six of them, but I I finally killed all six of them and you know it was coyotes that never been called and just kept switching fights and kept them confused. Yep. And I get a lot of calls like that and you know so we have a very niche business um that really no one else offers. Um then uh it just got to be where some of these bigger ranches they uh it was easier for them because I carry in you know business insurance and all and they they started contacting me and you know I have I have one large ranch that I hunt um and I work with a whole team of biologists there and uh just you know a fun fact when I started hunting on this this ranch there was a they had a 22% fawning rate. Um, this ranch is extremely managed. Um, for all game species. Mhm. Fast forward, we're two and a half years into it now. I've killed 562 coyotes off this ranch. Their fawning rate is now 54%. That's It's amazing. It's uh Yeah, basically doubled. It's kind of a testament to predator control work. It can make a difference for sure. That that's correct. And and here around in the area I live in, we have watched the deer population just quadruple. Rabbits, everything. And that's what farmers tell me. I say, you know, we we don't see coyotes no more, but we see we see all these uh you know, quail, rabbits, all the small game. Unfortunately, the skunks is on [laughter] a rapid incline and uh So, well, there's a there's a there's definitely a tradeoff. You know, they've got to have, you know, when it comes like land management and game management, you know, we always talk about, you know, you got to have a predator predator management plan in place as well. And a lot of a lot of guys, you know, for who could be listening right now, a lot of your your deer hunters and that's what they focus on or they focus on turkey hunting and stuff and are just predator hunting in the off season to to try to implement a little bit of predator hunting to help them on the backside. I think what they miss out on for this to be for this to work just like you're talking about your fawning rate doubled. Um it's not a one-time thing. It's I mean you got to have this is a long-term goal. You've got to stay on the coyotes, the predators. You can't just hunt them once a year and expect to have long-term results. It's it's hunting them several times throughout the year and year in and year out. Year in and year out, not just not just one year and expect to have 10 years of good stuff. You've got to hunt them every year and multiple times a year. Is that right? That that that is 100% correct. And you know, you and Tori covered on a podcast uh last summer about um you know, the the co how co coyotes breed and the population. And you know, I study coyotes quite a bit myself, me and Amanda does, but you know, with with the coyote predator control, you know, the one of the easiest ways for me to explain it to people is is like a gumball machine. You get a gumball out the bottom, you know, another one replaces it. That's right. But if you don't if if you if you don't put no more gumballs in there, eventually you run out of gumballs. Yeah. And there's a lot of areas um because I have such a vast area that I hunt um for a coyote to get to the to the center of our properties. I mean, he's had to travel a long way now. Mhm. So wi with with that predator type of predator control um you know we're staying on them. You know I' I've had some areas that you know you're like man I'm I'm never going to get all the coyotes killed out of here. you know, I I come through here last week and I killed 10. Um, two weeks later, you go back and you kill 10 more. And there, you know, what you learn is you you have certain areas that coyotes just like um Yeah. And you kill a pair of coyotes out there, you know, it may be a month, it may be next week, it may be three or four days for a new pair of coyotes move in there. Y um you know but what I have found is when you have a place that coyotes really like and you know you kill a pair this week you kill a pair next week eventually one day you will kill the last pair out of there for a long time now I've had some of those fields that was you know I would I would say hey this is the highest success rate fields I have that kill coyotes every time I come here now it's been two years since I've killed a coyote there. Yeah, I I think that's another common misconception. They think and you know, we'll never we'll never kill them out and I hope we never do, of course, but uh there when it comes right down to it, there's not an unlimited amount of coyotes. There's only a certain number of coyotes that's out there on the landscape every year across the country. You know, if you go in and kill 100% of them, they're gone. Not that that's ever going to happen, but you can you can knock your population back in these controlled areas. And uh you you can knock it back to where it's very very scarce. Um, a lot of times anymore, me and Amanda, there's a lot of times we're out two, three, four nights a week and we may ride two or 300,000 acres just scanning, especially when the crops is low just trying to take an inventory of coyotes. Well, there was one time last uh right before last turkey season, we spent three nights riding. We rode four counties. One night we seen six coyotes in three counties. Um total in three nights we seen I think it was 13 coyotes. Mhm. And that was plowed fields, no crops. That was riding from say good. Yeah. You know that was from that was riding from right at dark to daylight. Mhm. Mhm. Um, so you know, not saying all the cos are always going to be in a field, but when you cover that amount of territory, when you take it back to years past, you would have seen I mean, it wasn't uncommon to see two or three coyotes in almost every field you come by. Right. Right. So, you know, now when you're riding counties and not seeing no coyotes, it goes to getting uh you know, when your land owners not hearing or seeing coyotes, they're not seeing tracks, that that's telling you something. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. What about Let me ask you this about the on the predator control business side. You know, we're talking about coyotes and stuff, but are any of these places wanting you to do anything about the bobcats as well? Because I know Florida, that's another thing. Florida's not most people think bobcats. Florida's got cats, too. They got a bunch of them. We we we've got, you know, we do got a bunch of cats and and yeah, on some of the places uh that I hunt, um yes, they they want me to kill the bobcats. You know, I I don't post a lot with bobcats. Um I'm not I think I actually saw a post from you the other day where you had three or four in a picture with a water coyote. Yeah, that was uh we I think we killed we killed 14 coyotes that night and and killed four cats. Um that that's sort of a rarity for me. Um I'm not a big bobcat hunter. Um you know, a coyote ruins you a lot with hard charging. Yeah. And my experience with bobcats is I see very few bobcats that hard charge, right? I'm not a uh I'm not real patient at times. [laughter] Um you know, watching a bobcat come, you know, you see him coming from 300 yards, 400 yards, and he he's coming and you know, he stops and locks up and he chases a bird here, there, and then he sits there and looks at you and like, man, come on. You know, you you you switch sounds and he comes a little further and he sits down and messes around and they've got a short attention span. Sound sound like like you [laughter] Yes. Yes. Exactly. What uh I mean do does some of these places though do they you know do they ever contact you say like you know they're trying to do something like their quail population or whatever? of pictures of cats like, "Can you all take care of these bobcats for us? They're they're getting a little out of control." Yes, sir. I mean, at times we we get that. Um Yeah. You know, and sometimes when we go to our to our ranches and all. Um they say, "Hey, you know, we're getting a lot of information or seeing bobcats in this area. You know, can you concentrate on the bobcats?" Obviously, if you know, a coyote comes with the call, kill him. But yeah, you know, um [clears throat] I kill I kill 98% of the coyotes I kill on vocals. Yep. Yep. So you're you're not actually calling for you're calling specifically for coyotes. Yeah. You know, running. Yeah. You know, one thing I, you know, I'll say about Florida is we I feel like we have aggressive coyotes when when we have them. But a a distress call is just there there's very very few times that I find where a distress sound works over vocals in in Florida. you know, I may be doing it wrong, but I mean, I try to kill them on distress um quite often. And I can't tell you how many times I'll start and I'll run a distress set um and grant I'm probably not the most patient person um with with the stress, you know, about about five, six minutes and I've run a lot of distress for me. Yeah. And stop that. Give it 30 seconds a minute. and how and just on hows. I can't tell you how many times pairs quads has outrun me over. Definitely not going to argue with you. Especially, you know, you said it earlier, 300 plus coyotes, six years consecutively, six years in a row. So, you doing something right. [laughter]
I ain't gonna say you're doing it the wrong way. There's a lot of studying when it goes into that. Um, yeah, you know, I people ask me a lot about coyotes and, you know, I I feel like daylight scouting is is a huge huge thing for me. I I like to it don't matter if it's a you know, if it's a property that I've if I've hunted for years, um, it's a farming industry, so I like to go and look, scout, see what crops is there because there's certain crops that coyotes don't care to be in, right? Can I see has anything changed in the landscape? um thing things of that nature on cattle ranches. Uh you know, when we hunt our cattle ranches, we start hunting at dark and we hunt in the daylight and we go get us two or three hours of sleep and then we leave again and then we we scout that area of the ranch that we're going to hunt that night. Yeah. We scout and look until dark and then that's that's just how we hunt. Yeah. Um, and then I tell people a lot, and it's something I I'm I'm big on, leave your bullets at home sometimes if you don't have no trigger control. You know, there's coyotes in an area, pull out there on a hill, get quiet, let them let them howl, listen and uh, watch them coyotes interact with each other. Listen and see those little subtle chirps they make and how they actually operate. Mhm. And you know, once you learn a co, he becomes a lot easier to kill. Yeah. Yeah. So, speaking of doing that daytime scouting and stuff, do y'all ever do you still do any daytime hunting at all or is it 100% night now? No, I I I still do a little bit of daytime hunting. I usually do that like in a a hunting club and timber. Um, in our big like up where I live in these big wide open pivots in a farming community, we don't you don't very rarely ever get a coyote to break during the daylight, but tougher. Yeah. During the daylight when I hunt, you know, I I hunt just about like Tori does with a shotgun in the woods and Yeah. Um, now granted there's, you know, I love the night hunting. It's no secret that I'm a big thermal hunter and and I I don't think you're ever going to kill the amount of coyotes usually in the daytime as you are at night. But Oh, no. That daytime that daytime coyote charging in there on you and you shooting 20 steps with a shotgun in the face, there's there you can't get that kind of adrenaline rush um from night hunting much. Ain't nothing like it there. I do hunt in some I do hunt in some hunting clubs for some hunting clubs in in the timber in the roads. That's a that's a little tricky to figure out how to do it. But when you know you hear a coyote answer you down a road and you're like, "Well, all right. We need to look that way, but you don't know where he's really going to pop out in that road." And we've had them literally run between the call and us. And I don't set my call very far from me. We've had them run between me and Amanda. One one night we actually had a quad roll bail out in the road on this five yards and they was scrambling down the road. Didn't know which way to go. I think we ended up killing three of those, but it was just, you know, it's I'm not even going to say it's controlled chaos at times, right? But it's um that can get uh that can get pretty intense and and hunting in the fog can get real intense. I do cuz Oh yeah. He uh when when you can't see him coming but 50 or 60 yards that's uh and he's usually you know he's usually in a hurry. That's right. That's right. But you we brought up uh you know you all the coyotes you guys been killing and 300 plus coyotes a year for six consecutive years. That's that's just that's awesome for for anybody no matter what state you're in. Daytime, nighttime, whatever. It don't matter. Uh one thing I was want to ask you about uh y'all seem to have quite a few black coyotes down there in Florida. Uh we do. How many how many of those jokers have y'all killed? So like [sighs and gasps] man, what y'all killed like? 79 79 black coyotes over like last few years. Well, that that's we've killed 79 black coyotes total. That's what we've picked up. I mean there there's a a lot of times when we're hunting on our on our ranches and stuff um or when it's really wet, a lot of times we don't get to pick the coyotes up because you just can't get to them. Right. Right. Right. So there could there could have been a black one or three scattered out in that mess, too. Just saying. I I would almost bet you there's been there's probably been 15 or 20 more that we haven't just picked up. Um you know, especially when you're hunting off a high rack in in these big cattle ranches. You know, they'll tell you, hey, if you want to if you're going to pick the coyotes up, come back at daylight if it takes you any time to pick them up because, you know, they're paying you to kill coyotes, not to look for dead ones. So you shoot him out there, you know, two or 30 hund yards at times and chest high grass in a patch and they they you can't hardly find them coyotes in the daylight. So they sure don't want to take you to, you know, take the time to and and then you may miss your window when coyotes are active because you're hunting dead coyote instead of wearing about That's right. That's right. So, but uh se 79 black coyotes that's uh you know most people go their entire lives never see a black coyote especially these people or these hunters you know west of the Mississippi they might not ever see one and a lot of lot of hunters east of the Mississippi will never see one right and and you know I I've never you know I never realized that and you know we we have them in pockets so we we have certain areas the same same way here and I ain't of course I ain't killed that kind of numbers of But uh but yeah, same thing here. Usually the places the places I've killed black coyotes, you know, those are the pockets I find them. I don't see them nowhere else. Right. I've uh I've had I've had in that since one time I killed a quad and there was three black ones in it. I went back the very next day to the same areas during pup season. I was hunting on a cattle ranch. I killed another black one right there out of that family group. Then, uh, I went I had another stand one night. Um, I killed a Quint and three of those were black. And then me and Amanda killed a six-pack about a month after that. And three of those was black. And the last one we killed, she was black, but she was so old, she didn't have but one or two teeth in her head, and she was plum gray, just, you know, fading in into the black. Old Yeah. Yeah. Old. she was real old. So, we, you know, we we've been blessed um beyond measure to to have some amazing stands of killing big numbers on coach. We we've killed seven like eight times. Yeah, that's that's crazy. [sighs] It is, you know, it it comes down to calling, having having some coordination and shooting, you know, everything has to line up perfectly for things for things like that to happen. The coyotes got to read the script. Shooting's got to be on point. Colin's got to be on point. That's right. Um, so that's um, sure enough, and one thing I I'd like to ask you, John, something that I I pay attention to a lot. So, when I'm hunting coyotes in in different areas, I pay attention to how these coyotes react. You know, how aggressive are is this strain of coyotes in an area. For example, I I go to some areas and I I know when I go there, these coyotes ain't real aggressive normally. So you may have to spend a little time and not call as aggressive um in those areas and you know the coyote come but he he's not coming in hard charging and then I noticed I get to some other places other areas and just know you're most likely not going to get out of your set of houses unless he you know they're answering you and they're they're mad and ready to fight and they're usually there when inside of you know three or four minutes they're there and they're they're coming to fight. Yep. Yep. Um I I I notice that and I try to remember that, you know, it helps me I feel like it makes me be more efficient um when I when I'm back in those areas because some areas I know, hey, I probably need to stay here 15 minutes and then I get to some areas I know, well, if he ain't here historically, if he ain't here in in about six minutes, I'm gonna give him 10. Then I I'm going to another place. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. You know, you see that you see that differences and that all over the country and just like you're talking about, you can see the difference in how coyotes respond and how they act in the same state. Um, you know, definitely go to places and different regions that coyotes are just more aggressive than other coyotes. uh just like you was talking about you don't have much luck with prey distress and you might go somewhere else where prey distress is your number one tool in your bag you know to call call coyotes uh I have definitely noticed that about aggression towards like vocals and towards fights you know there are certain areas that fights just you know if you're going to be calling coyotes you're going to be running fights and that's what they want to come to and they come showing show up wanting to fight you know I don't know that's um it's got to be something with with genetic traits and cert certain pockets of coyotes and stuff like that. You know, I'm sure population and density and how they interact with the with the next uh family group right across the way from them. All that stuff comes into play. But it's it's pretty interesting to to take note of that, especially apply in the field, you know, year after year because, you know, if you go to those certain certain areas, you know, you need to be running these type of sounds to get these coyotes in there and get them killed, especially when you're doing uh predator control work like you and your wife, right? Yeah. So that you know [clears throat and snorts] and and one other thing I do when when I'm starting off the night, you know, I get asked a lot, "Hey man, what sequence do you run?" And I I try to let someone know when they ask me. The answer I'm going to give is usually very vague and I don't I don't mean it that way. Yeah. But I I I don't have a set sequence. I the best thing I can say is I'm usually going to start with some type of how and end with some type of fight. What I do in between solely depends on how I feel or how the coyote answers me. And so and what's and what's been working earlier that night, I guess. [laughter] That that's correct. Um, you know, if if I start my night and I I I play, let's say, well, one of my favorite house in the whole world always be comp house. Um, you know, let's say I start and nothing answers that. Then let's say I go to Sweet and Sour Group or Yappy Group or Buru Pair or something. Well, coyotes answers that. Okay. Well, they answered a pair house. And then I may play a a breeding sound, something or a social sound, something like good stuff or a hook pair of fight or bump and grind, you know, just just something a little lighter and and they they don't come to that and and they're sort of and then let's say I get to pound town and they trigger [snorts] on pound town and they come. Well, when I get to the next set, I may try that same little deal again and and you know, I'll mix my house up, you know, different types of house and uh but still they they answered a pair or a group how Okay. So, that I know now they're not interested in answering a uh you know, a a longh, right? Well, then I go through, you know, a couple different social type breeding sounds and don't get nothing and I I I get to, you know, a fight or something and that's triggered them. Yep. Here they come. So, when I get to the next set, it's going to be something like boohow. Give it 30 seconds and pound town. Yeah. Move move those. Those sounds take priority over the others now. those want to get right because you know now now I'm trying now I'm trying to cut down to get to be you know uh efficient to to get to make more sense and that that's what's working but now and and I think a lot of people they [clears throat] when they're calling if if they howl or and they don't get a vocal response they they give up on their vocal set and then they go to distress. Yeah. Yeah. And and you know, again, 98% of the coaches I kill is on vocals, and I would say 50 to 60% of those probably never say a word. Yeah. Just come rolling in. And And you know, I I don't think there's any set sequence or set sounds. Um, I can't. A good example was uh last I think it was last weekend, maybe the weekend before I uh I started with some house on a set and I seen a pair of coyotes coming and I was watching them come for a long way and they was coming from across the dirt road out of one field. They got to the dirt road and I thought they was gonna come on into the field that I was in then and I played a little, you know, some good stuff. Went to bump and grind, hook, pair fight, went, you know, humpty bumpty kind of stuff. Yep. And they they just sort of hung up like we're, you know, it was almost like they had hit a territorial boundary line, right? But I have watched in the past I've watched coaches caught them across this dirt road from both sides of the road and uh so I don't think that's you know what the case is. And so I said well you know hey I flip on squeaky squeak they they perked up and man here they come. That was the trigger. So [laughter] that was the trigger you know after I played some house and some fights and the trigger was squeaky squeak. I think that's where, you know, a lot of hunters, they they think just cuz you're, you know, you're into a vocal set and coyotes didn't come, don't be scared to try something. Think outside the box. Great point. Great point. You got to you got to fire, you know, especially if things if you've going through a stretch, a dry stance, you got to you got to throw some extra variety in there. And yeah, don't be it's like you said, that's that's a great point. And I've seen that many of times just like that. Had a coyote stand not too long ago. Same same thing you're talking about. Went through all kinds of stuff. All kinds. I bet I played close to, you know, close to eight or 10 sounds on that stand and they were all vocal type stuff and then just deciding I actually think I played a little bit of Prey like right in the middle of it or in the first third of the set and then I before I got up I turned it on baby cottontail just for a couple minutes. I was actually putting was gathering stuff up was closing camera up and you know just starting to break down the stand to leave. Look up. Here come this great big old uh old male coyote with hardly a tooth in his head. Come running straight towards the X360 and actually had to shoot him in the chest about 10 steps from the call as he's running to it. Sit out there and listen to everything I played and didn't care a bit. But when I switched over to Baby Cottontail before I got up, here he come running in like he was had never heard a call before in his life and just couldn't wait to get there. So that's a that's a great point to do that. I had a pretty uh I had a pretty cool stand happen that the same night um earlier in the night before one I just mentioned. So I I had a friend he he come and hunted with me and he brought his thermal drone with him and uh he he was wanting to video you know with the drone some coyotes coming in and us shooting them. So, we was we was pulling into this uh down this lane in a in a cattle ranch and um we uh seen something way out in the field and got out and and it was bright, man. It was bright. So, he put his drone in the air and blew it over there and he said, "Hey, that is a coyote." And I said, "All right." So, I I got out there under some big oak trees and called that coyote up and killed him. And then we went on down through the ranch and just got in a gateway and I looked and I said, "Hey, there's some coyote sign right here. Fog was starting to roll in." So I set the call up in 360, man. And I hit Buu powerhouse and I was looking around and all of a sudden when I come back and look my my buddy, he was he was at the truck flying his drone and I looked at when I come back around I looked at Amanda and I said, "Hey, right here in front of us here comes a triple just" and when I seen them they was 150 yards and they was getting I couldn't hardly get them stopped and We shot the first two and Amanda shot hers low in the brisket and when he went to run it off I killed mine and the third coyote he sort of stutter stepped and looked when I cuz I I immediately hit a hot button and pound town come on and man I can tell you coyote running off the the way that X360 sounds with that subwoofer especially when you got it on a tripod when those growls start it has been to death to a any of co start off. Yep. And it is it it's just a whole different effect. So he stutter step stopped shot him. I just I just let the call keep rolling. I thought, well, you know, as aggressive as they was this time of the year, maybe they'll, you know, maybe that co swing back around. Well, unbeknownst to me at that time, I didn't realize she had shot that co low in the brisket and he had just run over a hill and died. Well, I was scanning around and all of a sudden I look and out of a little old ditch, here comes this coyote. When I see him, he's he's 40 or 50 yards and he is flying and he's already made me out. He's downwind. I spun around and I popped a shot at him. I ain't real sure how I missed him that that go round, but I did. And he runs through the fence up in a scrub. My buddy flies that drone over and he says, "Hey, you know, I see him out there and I thought he was going to come back around and he got out there to to booger barking around and I messed with him for about five or six more minutes and I said, "Hey, let's go pick these other coyotes up." So, we went and picked the other coyotes up and uh we had gave this coyote, I don't know, 15 or 20 minutes and I told him, "Buddy, I said, "Hey, fly your drone back over that scrub patch." And he did. And he says, "Hey, I see him." I said, "Okay." Okay. And he said, you know, he's on from where we was, he he was about 300 yards to the south of where we was originally, made the first set. So, I eased back up there and I walked the call out about a hundred yards from me and I got where I could look down the fence and we we flew the drone over him and he turned his night vision camera on and I said, "Well, I'm going to start with a little bit of distress just see if maybe he'll he'll trigger something a little different cuz, you know, he just come to a fight and and got shot at and watched his family die." So, he didn't really he didn't mess with the distress. He just sort of went easing off while I went to I went to howling at him. I think it was a little bee I played. Well, he sort of perked up and looked and then I hit um bump and grind. Well, he started coming. I said, "Hey, look at here." My buddy says, "Hey, you know he's coming." So, he goes to come and I'm thinking, "All right, he's going to just trot out here and look now." Well, I just muted the call. Well, he run all run about 10 yards from the edge of the woods and stopped and then he lost interest. So now here I've played everything in my call for the next hour and 10 minutes. This co has came and went at least a dozen times. I caught one glimpse of him in the woods. Amanda caught a glimpse of him. I repositioned myself and I was like, man, I at one time I had actually took my gun off my tripod and was putting it in the truck. My buddy said, "Hey, man, he's actually coming back." So, got my gun set back up, walked on out in the field where I could sort of look into the woods. And u messed around, played a few more sounds, and I was like, "Man, I I don't know what else to play." And I I went through my call and on the X360 in the fight section there's a coyote fawn fight. I said, "You know what? I got to lose." So I turned that thing up to about 34 and let it roll and you could watch him on that drone. He picked his head up and here he come. My buddy said, "Hey man, he's coming this time." He said, "He is three foot from the He locked up about three foot from the tree from the opening. He knowed that field meant death. Yeah. And just a minute he stuck his head out there just enough I could see him and I shot him. That was actually a 40. I Oh, I mean I was I was pretty jacked up on that set because it was like I know when he sticks his head out here. He and he was when he come out he was going to be real close to me that I was going to get a brief second. And that was actually a bobtail coat. That was a 43 pounds bobtail co. Yeah. as a well earned coyote, [snorts] man. And you know, if I grant, if I we wouldn't had that drone, I'd have never messed with him, right? But it was so neat to watch that coyote go and come and then it makes you wonder how many coyotes have I ever just drove off and left that was standing there watching me all the time. I guarantee it. Yeah. Yeah. So that we've been on here quite a while. I got a handful of little questions here I want to ask you real quick. just short answer type stuff. Um, we've been on here for close to an hour here, I guess, for about an hour. But, uh, what time what what time of year is your favorite time time to call? What's your favorite time frame? You a summer guy, winter guy, don't matter. What you What you favorite? Um,
as far as killing numbers of coyotes and and and really enjoy coyotes, watching them work and come to a call and the times that we kill a lot of triples and quads and stuff. I really like that October to December time frame. know that that family bust up time is uh is great especially when you learn how to hunt it and realize that hey when you kill one if a single come just keep calling because the chances are that family groups they're still coming. Yes sir. And usually usually pretty decent weather too. Very decent weather. You know being in Florida to hunting you know from May to September. You've got to really love it. You out there in your panties burning up, sweating. [laughter] You usually I I'm in shorts, a pair of short rubber boots, a t-shirt, and Amanda brings me two extra shirts, a towel, and you literally about a can of off. Oh, I mean, I I sweat bad anyway. Um, and being baldheaded don't help. So, [laughter] literally, I can I can take a hat I can ruin a hat every night. Um, but uh it's uh and we got a can of off. You use a can of off about every night. And there's some places you can imagine apply you'll spray bug spray on every every other set at some point. I can imagine. I can imagine. But what uh you mentioned X3 you mentioned X360 earlier. What uh what what Fox Pro unit you run the most nowadays? I I do run my X360. um you know, pretty much all the time. Um it's John, it's been an amazing call. Um the fir the first week I had it during the summer um playing with it, we killed 57 coyotes on it the first week we had it. And u think you told me it was on some pressure coyotes, too. It it was on some coyotes that you know I know was there and anytime I had been there you know you if you seen them in the field and you turned a call on man they was turning inside out. They just you know they I had either shot at them before or they have watched them shoot their whole family or something. But first pair of coyotes man they they run that call over. Um very first coyote I killed with the X360 was black co. Nice. So, go go go to the very next spot. I mean, same thing. And I the ve this this what I'm going to tell you right here. This is uh some of that learn your equipment before you go to playing with things you don't know about. Remember I told you about the Fox Fusion? Oh yeah. We get to the next next place and I I was messing with the fox fusion mixing some howls up and Amanda said, "Hey husband, here comes a pair of coyotes." And I was never expecting them to come from there. I mean, because these was some super wild coyotes and the coyotes was coming and it was bright and I'm trying to get this call muted. I can't get it muted because I've got Fox Fusion playing and I don't know nothing about how to work it. didn't had no business messing with it. Coyotes run right across us and this call is just sitting there howling at these coyotes and they're they're running by and they've already got us pegged and anyway one run out there and uh actually we missed him when he finally stopped and it about to be I'm trying to mute the call. You too tore up. [laughter] Uh I I was I was having a high-speed come apart. So [laughter] I what what I was thinking I shut the remote off. Well, you know, call kept playing. So eventually I run to the call, shut it off, turn it back on, hit pound town and called one of the coaches back in actually. Um, so that I was like, man, this is Then we went to the next spot and and killed uh killed another pair of coyotes there, you know, that we know was pretty educated. And I was, my wife looked at me and she says, "Man, there might be something to this." So then, right, we took it on a little venture and uh [cough] we uh we killed about 20 coyotes that week that we know was sure enough pressured. Um, we took it down to our cattle ranch and uh there was one particular set of coyotes there that you would see them almost every time you went in those big wide open pastures, but they would they would never get closer than about six or 700 yards from you. Yeah. And they they didn't stop and we pulled in there and I moved just a little bit on them, man. And uh there there's a sound on the on a factory sound on that X360 is called great group. It's the most loud, obnoxious carrying on serenade I've ever heard. And still to this day, I don't think I've ever played it all the way through. Um, but I don't know how long it is. It just it just carries on and on, but I have killed so many coyotes on just that sound. And that sound to me, I've listened to it on some other calls and it it just it don't sound good on other calls because I guess it's so loud and X360 brings it to life. That's for sure. It really does. Let me ask you about this. We've tal you've talked about sounds there and talked about playing through many many sounds on certain sets and stuff. What if I was to hand you a X360 and said you had to use it for the year and you could only have three sounds on it. Tell me which three sounds you going to pick. Oh, for year round, January through December.
Buru Par.
It'd be a toss up between Bump and Grind and Good Stuff and Pound Town. There you go. There you go. I'm sure you'll be killing coyotes every time you go out. What about may I ask you what if I said you can only have one sound? What what one sound you going to have on that X360? I bet I bet I can guess. But what's your guess? Pound town. [laughter] You about guess right.
Now as long and see I don't make a set without my diaphragm. There you go. So you got you got hs and pup distresses and stuff like so you can howl and all that stuff. So you got you get one sound file for your X360. What's it going to be? I'm going pound town. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. I I I can whimper and I can howl and I can lip squeak. Yeah. But and you know there there's a lot of times that you know I love to mix my diaphragm in with with the e col. I I can't tell you how many times I've seen this happen that just that little bit of frequency change of that diaphragm triggers them coyotes and it makes them answer you and it it it'll make them come to you. Well, let me ask you this. I got one more question I want to ask you before we hop off here and this is a firearm question. U actually first just and this is just a single answer. You a guy or boat guy? Which one? Boat guy. Now, used to I used to run AR all the time. Now, now both guys. All right. [clears throat] Let me ask you this. You've probably heard me ask the question before about, you know, if I was going to drop you off on a deserted island, all that type of stuff. You know, what what firearm you going to use. Well, this time what I'm doing is I'm going to drive you out in the middle of one of these 30,000 acre cattle ranches down there in Florida. And people thinks I'm crazy, but that's how big a lot of these places are right there in Central Florida. Right out there in the the middle of this cattle country. My big cattle ranch is three over 300,000. There you go. All right, let's take that 300,000 acres. I'm going to hop you in a vehicle and drive you plum to the middle of it and drop you off and then I'm going to leave. You get your X360 with all your sounds you want. You got you a bolt gun. You got your tripod. You got you thought you got everything you need, but you only get one bullet, but you get to choose which caliber you going to be using. You got your job is to call up a coyote and you have to kill that coyote. So, you get one shot at him, one chance. You get that coyote killed, I'll come back, drive back in there, fly in there with a helicopter, whatever we need to do, and get you out of that 300,000 acre piece so you don't have to walk out by yourself. What caliber are you choosing to make sure you kill a coyote to get out of there? 22 Creedmore. [laughter] There we go. There we go. Uh what uh what you what you magic bullet you like shooting out that 22 Creed? I like a 80 grain burger VLD. That sounds like you've uh you've based made a living off of it. Sounds like I have I'm I'm the burger VLD. Um I shoot the 80 burger VLDs. Amanda shoots a 70 burger VLD. Um either one of those works very well. The the 80s tend to be a little more messy. Yeah. What what twist rate that out of? That's out of eight twist. Out of eight. Okay. Yeah. And and keep in mind, I mean, I I'm going to pick a 22 Creedmore every time. And and I just built a six PRC also. Oh, nice. Do I think it's a great Do I think it's a great cartridge? Absolutely. But it's very expensive to shoot. I bet it is. I bet it is. You already trust 22 Creed, too. So, I trust the 22 Creed. But I'll tell you how much I trust it. Um here later today I'm putting my I'm putting my scope back on my 22 Creed and I've got to go hunt a big high fence tonight. So there you go. Well, I'm sure you'll you'll have plenty of luck tonight. But uh Dustin, we've been on here quite a while and I greatly appreciate you coming on here. Absolutely, John. I appreciate you having me. Yeah. Well, let's let's wrap it up. You got anything you'd like to leave everybody with? Um, you know, just set your goals and hunt hard and always think outside the box and study your coyotes and and you know, listen to this podcast. There's a lot of good information on it. Watch Tori's videos, watch John's videos, and I'll help anybody when I can. But this I always believe this is a sport. You get out of it what you put in it. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. If you're willing if you're willing to put the time in, um you can you can be very successful in it. And uh I like to see everybody be successful. Yeah, boy. Well, hunt hard and shoot straight. That's right. Shoot straight, shoot often. [laughter] Dustin, I appreciate you. I appreciate you coming on here, buddy. You're uh uh we'll definitely be having you on here again. And uh we hope everyone enjoyed this episode. Hey, next time next time we get you on her, we're going have to Your little lady's going to have to come on here with you. [sighs] Yeah, we'll see if we can get we see if we can talk her. You think we can talk her into it? I believe we probably talk her into it. All right, that's what that might be what we do next time in. Well, anyway, we're gonna wrap it up here. We hope everyone enjoyed this episode and we hope you join us again right here on the Fox Pro