FOXPRO's Jon Collins and MFK's Torry Cook discuss strategies for calling coyotes in the month of July.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls we're back
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with another episode of the fox Pro
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podcast today we're going to be covering
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the month of July we'll talk about
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what's going on in a coyote's life
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through this month and go over tactics
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to get those coyotes called into your
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lap as always this is John Collins and
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of course the absolute best guest for
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this type of topic is mfk Tory cook and
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that's who we've got on here how's it
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going Tor all going good it's hot like
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we were talking about earlier but other
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than that doing good it's that time of
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the year exactly what fixing say it's
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it's that time of year and uh sounds
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like you're fixing to make a trip to
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Tennessee to thump on some coyes yeah
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yeah getting ready to go out there and
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make that trip pretty much every year I
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think I've been I don't even know now
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several years and it it usually ends up
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turning out pretty good we usually kill
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several cows so yeah expectations are
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high again this go around you got the
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same plans up the same crew Greg and
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Clint and all them yeah Greg Clint and
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uh every once in a while I think case
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Covington from Kentucky's gonna actually
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may come down hunt with us a day or two
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if everything works out right then
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occasionally we'll we'll pick up
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somebody else from out there and get a
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day or two in but yeah Clint and Greg
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for sure and then uh probably case and
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whoever else we run across that might
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want to go or might have some CS right
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well that'll be a fun trip it'll be a
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good trip for case I don't know if he's
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ever been down to Tennessee to hunt any
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case a good buddy of ours that'll
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that'll be a good trip for him might
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open his eyes up on on a thing or two so
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that' be great I'd be looking forward to
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hearing the stories from that trip
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that's for sure yep coming right up well
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we'll get uh we'll get right into this
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uh like I said before we're going to be
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talking pretty much this is going to be
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specific to the month of July we like to
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try to get get some time specific type
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podcast out there just to let this is
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you know this type of stuff people can
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go back and look on um years to go come
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down the road so you know we've done
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them for for you know just kind of
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summertime column we've done them for
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October Calling we do predator or U
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breeding season type podcast and we've
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done the month of March I think July's
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another good month to throw in there
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just kind of give everybody an idea of
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what the coyotes are doing uh during the
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month of July and what to expect and
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what type of sounds and sequences and
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that type of stuff that uh that can you
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know keep you calling coyotes in in
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close but uh the first thing I want to
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ask you Tori is on average across the
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country how old are the pups at this
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point here in
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July roughly three months you know
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roughly three months old give or take of
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course two or three weeks either side of
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that but three months is going to catch
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a lot of them bulk of the pups are
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usually born right around that first
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part of April or the month of April so
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should have a lot of three four month
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old coats and of course then and so once
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they get that age the month of July is
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going to put you just right smack dab in
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the heart of puing time frame which is
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one of the best times to get out there
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and call cats the temperatures are hot
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but the coat calling is usually really
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hooted in too so good time of the year
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to take advantage of that P and get some
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good hard charging coach stands then
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right so like this time of year when it
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comes to the pups uh you know we talk
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about the Denning season which you know
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some people still call this the dinning
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season but but for the most part and
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really for all across the board the the
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pups are no longer in the ground is that
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correct they're they're out of the den
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at this point right and that's why I
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mean you can you like you said you can
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lump it all in with Denon I like to
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break it apart with the Denon portion of
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it being from the time they dig the hole
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even before they have the pups Denon
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would be you know once those pairs dig
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prepare the hole have the pups in the
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hole through until those pups come out
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of the den and they quit using them and
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then I like to refer to that time frame
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as pup rearing because they quit they
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actually quit dinning you know they they
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quit using that Den a lot of people
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believe that they continue to use the
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the den but once those pups get out of
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the den they will use it for they they
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will stay outside the den they will use
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it for cover you know if something
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scares them they may run back in the
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hole but for the most part they start
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staying out of the den once they're four
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weeks old they start getting out of that
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den and from there it just progresses
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and before long they don't use the den
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at all so by the time we get into this
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time you know July time frame those DS
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are are typically not being used and a
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lot of time stimes the pup rearing area
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is away from you know away from the den
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a pair piece so right but sometimes
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they'll they'll puup rear right there
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around the den site but a lot of times
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they they shift a little bit they'll be
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still within that same home range but
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that puing area may not be where they
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actually DED at yep so I I try to
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separate them you know
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just because they're not actually din
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anymore no well I mean I like that I
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mean and I think we should separate ated
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I mean we know more about CS now than we
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ever have uh and thanks to you toi for
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everything that you've done far as
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studying and and raising these CS you
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know you've been a wealth of knowledge
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on this subject and and you don't have
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to lump it all into just being the
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dening season we know there's more
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there's more factors that go into it we
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know there's more chapters uh to them
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raising the pups and pup earing is one
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of those chapters so uh you know I think
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we do need to separate it it's not all
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the same it's not you know you can't
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might as well not say in August that
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it's Denning season you know it's a
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different part of a Coy's life you know
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and it is there there is a distinct and
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I I learned this from watching those
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Freer range CS that we raised there is a
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distinct transition in the C behavior
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from dinning into puery and one of the
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main things being is that when they're
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dinning and those pups are in the hole a
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lot of times especially that female but
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the adults in general are typically
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really tight to those pups so everything
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is compact you know your cins got to be
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tight to that D site once pup ring
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starts that transition time frame
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happens those pups are out of that Den
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they're in the pup rearing area which is
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a I almost refer to it as like a play
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pin area you know it's a small area
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within the adults home range that those
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pups stay in and they don't leave but
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those adults start coming and going they
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come in and check on the pups but they
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typically don't stay right there with
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those pups anymore during that ping time
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frame they're they're coming and going
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bringing food and even when those adults
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lay up a lot of times they don't lay up
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with the pups they lay up just outside
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of that pup rearing area typically
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downwind of it and that's kind of how
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they monitor those pups without being
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harassed by those pups that are wanting
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to climb all over them and pull on them
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and play and fight and all that kind of
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stuff those adult
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start acting we've talked about it
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before they kind of start acting as
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satellites around that puing area and so
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knowing those transition time frames
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between then and and what those C adult
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C behavior is then versus their that
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transition and their behavior change
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during pup rearing that can really help
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you out when you go in there and set up
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on you know areas that you know are
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holding family groups of cods and the
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distance that you set up from
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that puppan area can play a role in what
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couch you're targeting whether you're
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targeting just the adults or you're
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targeting the pups or you're targeting
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all the coats that distance from that
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that puer area can can control to a
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certain
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degree what the odds are of you calling
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adult or pup Couts or both right right
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and that's you know that's great
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information that's the reason it's so it
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can be so Dynamite this time of year is
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you know if you got these satellite
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coyotes these coyotes that are away from
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these pups and you go on there and start
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playing puppy sounds or other adult
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coyot sounds or fights whatever it might
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be right there in that close to that
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pupp earing area you know it's can be
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Dynamite cuz you know they think it
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could be their pups or intruding coyot
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right there on their pups they you know
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they want to come take care of that uh
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that family group so that's one of the
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reasons we can have those hard Chargers
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this time of year right and and going
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right along with that and you pretty
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much said it you know one of my
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questions was going to be you know
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what's going on in the actual uh adult's
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life right now uh and you pretty much
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you pretty much said it right there uh
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but one question I had that kind of was
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going to segue into is uh is about the
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the feemale the Mama C when will the
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Mama C when does she actually start to
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wean her pups are the pups wean now or
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are they in the transition of being
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weaned or what's going on there yeah for
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the most part they they most of the outs
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would be wean they typically wean about
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seven weeks old they will they'll wean
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and to back up just a little bit what
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happens as long as those pups are in the
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hole that female is nursing them in the
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hole and I'll speed it up pretty good
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they come out of the hole around roughly
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four weeks old and she will begin
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nursing them about twice a day morning
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and evening usually around sunrise and
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sunset almost as though it's o clock and
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then the rest of the time they start
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eating regurgitated food and then fast
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forward up to about this time frame
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that's primarily what those pups are
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living off of and so that female is no
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longer nursing the pups her the male any
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other helper coats or spending their
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time and if anybody's ever watched the
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all about coat videos you can actually
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see some of this it's reminds me of of
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worker bees or something those adults
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are working to transport transport food
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back and forth in the form of
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regurgitated food early on and then that
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start starts you know progressing and
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they'll start bringing back stuff that
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they caught and a lot of times it's just
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portions you know they may eat part of
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it and they'll bring part of it back but
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they may bring a bird back a rabbit back
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um something that they found roadkill
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whatever to feed those pups and a lot of
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people think that those pups get up and
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start actively hunting and going out and
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catching and killing and that's not what
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happens those adults are still the
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primary caregivers bringing the food
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back to the pups and what the pups are
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doing during that time frame that's kind
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of building towards them learning to
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hunt and starting to hunt later on is
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they're forging and Scavenging so
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they're a lot of times they're alone
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they stay in that area that's all it's a
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boundary line basically that they don't
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go outside of those adults you'll see
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them follow the adults to a certain spot
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and those pups will stop the adults will
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keep going and those pups will stay in
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that little play pen pup rearing area
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and it expands as they get older right
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but what they spend their time doing if
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they're not laid up sleeping they spend
0:11:36.880,0:11:40.279
their time when those adults are not
0:11:38.560,0:11:41.880
around of course pecking order fights
0:11:40.279,0:11:43.959
all that kind of stuff but as far as
0:11:41.880,0:11:46.560
their their
0:11:43.959,0:11:49.959
feeding that goes towards them learning
0:11:46.560,0:11:52.600
to hunt they Forge and scavenge so
0:11:49.959,0:11:55.519
they'll hunt around inside that area you
0:11:52.600,0:11:57.839
know just learning based off their
0:11:55.519,0:11:59.440
instincts to look and search for stuff
0:11:57.839,0:12:01.800
and so what they're catching at that
0:11:59.440,0:12:04.040
time frame is would be stuff like
0:12:01.800,0:12:06.279
insects and they may be eating different
0:12:04.040,0:12:08.680
types of vegetation you know grasses and
0:12:06.279,0:12:11.880
berries and whatever they can find to
0:12:08.680,0:12:14.639
forage on and anything small that they
0:12:11.880,0:12:16.320
might catch usually in the form of
0:12:14.639,0:12:18.639
grasshoppers
0:12:16.320,0:12:20.279
butterflies occasionally I've videoed
0:12:18.639,0:12:22.560
some of them you know they they may run
0:12:20.279,0:12:24.600
across a baby bird that's trying to
0:12:22.560,0:12:27.519
learn to fly that's fell out of a nest
0:12:24.600,0:12:29.279
and get a that's about the extent of
0:12:27.519,0:12:31.959
their
0:12:29.279,0:12:35.800
first uh first uh experience with a
0:12:31.959,0:12:37.760
thumping heart with right right and so
0:12:35.800,0:12:40.399
they're just learning like the basics of
0:12:37.760,0:12:42.120
survival at this point and and uh which
0:12:40.399,0:12:43.880
is pretty cool and I've actually you
0:12:42.120,0:12:45.839
know talking about transitioning from a
0:12:43.880,0:12:49.320
den area to a pupp earing area you know
0:12:45.839,0:12:51.760
I I witnessed that ear on down at my my
0:12:49.320,0:12:54.639
dad's property my where I grew up my
0:12:51.760,0:12:57.600
home my dad's home property there there
0:12:54.639,0:12:59.440
was a hay field and a and a pasture
0:12:57.600,0:13:01.199
field that just had a fence TR dividing
0:12:59.440,0:13:03.839
into two and at the corner of that fenro
0:13:01.199,0:13:06.000
was a huge brush pile where they cleared
0:13:03.839,0:13:08.120
my daddy cleared a section of woods well
0:13:06.000,0:13:10.000
guess what that made a perfect spot for
0:13:08.120,0:13:11.760
a Coyote Den there was actually a Coyote
0:13:10.000,0:13:15.040
Den they would Den in it almost every
0:13:11.760,0:13:17.160
single year every single spring and they
0:13:15.040,0:13:19.959
would dig a hole underneath that uh that
0:13:17.160,0:13:21.320
brush pile and I'd kill a Coy off that
0:13:19.959,0:13:22.920
you know I'd have one coming right off
0:13:21.320,0:13:25.760
the corner of it and get them killed but
0:13:22.920,0:13:28.240
I've I found out later on in the summer
0:13:25.760,0:13:29.680
months like this time of year like July
0:13:28.240,0:13:33.079
what would happen in those those pups
0:13:29.680,0:13:35.320
would move from from that brush pile or
0:13:33.079,0:13:37.959
the the adults moved them I'm assuming
0:13:35.320,0:13:39.839
but like this July and August time frame
0:13:37.959,0:13:41.839
instead of kyos being right there next
0:13:39.839,0:13:43.880
to that brush pile they had moved to
0:13:41.839,0:13:45.839
that pasture field and there was a
0:13:43.880,0:13:48.240
there's a pond in that pasture field and
0:13:45.839,0:13:50.000
the dam is pretty rough the back side of
0:13:48.240,0:13:51.720
the pond dam we usually Let It Grow Up
0:13:50.000,0:13:53.519
well guess what they spend the whole
0:13:51.720,0:13:55.360
summer on the back side of that pond dam
0:13:53.519,0:13:57.360
that's where those pups lived you could
0:13:55.360,0:13:59.120
try take a foiler across that pond D on
0:13:57.360,0:14:00.720
the back side and you'd see them I mean
0:13:59.120,0:14:02.880
they'd be scat you know scattering
0:14:00.720,0:14:05.160
around and just running from rose bush
0:14:02.880,0:14:06.560
to rose bush and stuff like that and I I
0:14:05.160,0:14:08.920
always thought that was cool I never did
0:14:06.560,0:14:11.399
put two in two together I always
0:14:08.920,0:14:13.320
wondered I always at the back in the
0:14:11.399,0:14:15.600
early days I always thought I did
0:14:13.320,0:14:18.120
something that pushed those pups from
0:14:15.600,0:14:20.560
that den area to transition into that
0:14:18.120,0:14:23.279
that pond dam but now no it's just it
0:14:20.560,0:14:24.720
was just part of their life cycle yeah
0:14:23.279,0:14:26.880
and that you mentioned something that
0:14:24.720,0:14:28.839
people can use you know especially if
0:14:26.880,0:14:30.560
you're trying to to Blind call or
0:14:28.839,0:14:33.399
something like at you're looking on maps
0:14:30.560,0:14:35.600
in the new area if you'd asked me to
0:14:33.399,0:14:39.399
guess where they move to I would have
0:14:35.600,0:14:41.639
guessed a creek bottom a drainage a pond
0:14:39.399,0:14:43.639
you know anything like that because one
0:14:41.639,0:14:46.120
thing I found in in
0:14:43.639,0:14:49.560
common typically when I'm going and
0:14:46.120,0:14:53.079
calling these puun areas there's almost
0:14:49.560,0:14:55.519
always around here it's usually some
0:14:53.079,0:14:57.680
type of of drainage system you know it
0:14:55.519,0:14:59.199
may just be a small drain no no wider
0:14:57.680,0:15:02.199
than a foot or two wide but there'll be
0:14:59.199,0:15:04.279
little water holes that are up and down
0:15:02.199,0:15:06.519
that drainage or it'll be a creek bottom
0:15:04.279,0:15:07.279
or a river bottom or something some type
0:15:06.519,0:15:10.480
of
0:15:07.279,0:15:12.480
water yeah they're typically around
0:15:10.480,0:15:15.000
those pups tend to be around stuff like
0:15:12.480,0:15:17.880
that you know Old Farm uh Fields with a
0:15:15.000,0:15:20.480
pond in it that type stuff are good
0:15:17.880,0:15:23.240
places you know to
0:15:20.480,0:15:25.320
look one one interesting thing about
0:15:23.240,0:15:28.319
that that doesn't happen anymore on that
0:15:25.320,0:15:30.040
piece of property and the reason is um
0:15:28.319,0:15:32.240
we got rid of that brush pile we took a
0:15:30.040,0:15:33.959
dozer in there several years ago and
0:15:32.240,0:15:35.959
ended up cleaning up at brush pile
0:15:33.959,0:15:39.160
burning part of it and taking the stumps
0:15:35.959,0:15:41.000
and burying them so that side is it's
0:15:39.160,0:15:43.040
gone you know it's it's not the same
0:15:41.000,0:15:47.600
anymore and of course there hasn't been
0:15:43.040,0:15:51.360
a den there since and far as to my
0:15:47.600,0:15:54.639
knowledge that pond dam has not been a p
0:15:51.360,0:15:56.120
rearing spot ever since either they just
0:15:54.639,0:15:58.480
they abandoned that area now I still
0:15:56.120,0:16:00.440
kill cows off that property and I can
0:15:58.480,0:16:01.759
still dining coyotes off that but
0:16:00.440,0:16:06.759
they're on a total different section of
0:16:01.759,0:16:08.680
the farm now yeah yeah that's you know
0:16:06.759,0:16:11.000
when you change Habitat like that a lot
0:16:08.680,0:16:13.480
of times it changes them
0:16:11.000,0:16:17.279
and but that stuff is interesting
0:16:13.480,0:16:19.079
usually when they find success somewhere
0:16:17.279,0:16:20.839
as long as nothing changes it's just
0:16:19.079,0:16:22.279
year after year after year like you said
0:16:20.839,0:16:24.160
you know
0:16:22.279,0:16:25.839
killing family groups and they're
0:16:24.160,0:16:30.040
raising in that brush pile and using
0:16:25.839,0:16:33.639
that same Pond as a pu area you after
0:16:30.040,0:16:35.560
you let's go back to uh to adult the
0:16:33.639,0:16:38.360
adult coyotes he talking about the
0:16:35.560,0:16:42.079
satellites um toy which is really really
0:16:38.360,0:16:44.480
neat how how close like this say the
0:16:42.079,0:16:46.319
mail Cod and the helper cods and I then
0:16:44.480,0:16:49.639
I guess assuming the mama too she's got
0:16:46.319,0:16:51.560
them weaned off how far off do you think
0:16:49.639,0:16:54.560
on General will they
0:16:51.560,0:16:56.160
actually you know strike out away from
0:16:54.560,0:17:00.800
the pup rearing area where their pups
0:16:56.160,0:17:03.199
are at I think I I think
0:17:00.800,0:17:05.880
that I think it's typically the male or
0:17:03.199,0:17:08.439
a helper cut I think that female usually
0:17:05.880,0:17:10.439
stays right there close no matter what
0:17:08.439,0:17:12.000
fairly close and and even the other
0:17:10.439,0:17:14.280
adults you know they're staying within
0:17:12.000,0:17:16.720
that home range but they will get a
0:17:14.280,0:17:19.000
pretty good ways out if they need to to
0:17:16.720,0:17:21.520
you know to catch something to eat right
0:17:19.000,0:17:23.679
probably more depends on your C probably
0:17:21.520,0:17:25.439
depends on your cow density and stuff
0:17:23.679,0:17:26.600
like that more than anything like you
0:17:25.439,0:17:29.280
know they're I
0:17:26.600,0:17:31.520
think I think you're C density probably
0:17:29.280,0:17:33.520
plays a role in it and I also think the
0:17:31.520,0:17:36.240
the terrain you know how open your
0:17:33.520,0:17:38.640
terrain is anytime I've hunted right
0:17:36.240,0:17:41.400
seems like when you hunt thicker stuff
0:17:38.640,0:17:44.120
thicker Woods thickets anything like
0:17:41.400,0:17:46.000
that it seemed like your coats have a
0:17:44.120,0:17:48.559
smaller range they don't come to the
0:17:46.000,0:17:51.640
call as far they don't range as far they
0:17:48.559,0:17:55.159
just don't cover as much ground as you
0:17:51.640,0:17:58.080
get bigger wider Open Spaces the coats
0:17:55.159,0:18:00.400
travel more they they cover more ground
0:17:58.080,0:18:03.120
they'll come to the call forther so
0:18:00.400,0:18:05.360
those are all some things to to consider
0:18:03.120,0:18:07.960
you know the stuff that I'm typically
0:18:05.360,0:18:11.720
calling which is woods and thickets you
0:18:07.960,0:18:14.200
know pretty pretty heavy cover the the
0:18:11.720,0:18:17.320
Cs most of the time I don't think that
0:18:14.200,0:18:20.760
they're getting you know more than a
0:18:17.320,0:18:22.799
mile or so at most right from that the
0:18:20.760,0:18:24.360
adults and and that's that's them
0:18:22.799,0:18:26.880
ranging out most of the time they're not
0:18:24.360,0:18:29.240
that far for example and I'm sure we'll
0:18:26.880,0:18:31.720
get into talking about that but when I
0:18:29.240,0:18:33.360
go in and set up on if I know where that
0:18:31.720,0:18:35.200
P Reading area is at I've learned it
0:18:33.360,0:18:38.360
from locating or I just know where it's
0:18:35.200,0:18:40.240
at uh when I go in there to set up and
0:18:38.360,0:18:42.559
this is something I've learned over the
0:18:40.240,0:18:45.200
years from calling in also watching
0:18:42.559,0:18:47.919
those those adults most of the time when
0:18:45.200,0:18:50.200
they're laid up or they're just fooling
0:18:47.919,0:18:53.400
around sleeping relaxing most of the
0:18:50.200,0:18:56.720
time those adults are somewhere in that
0:18:53.400,0:18:58.799
two to 400 yard range from now this is
0:18:56.720,0:19:01.240
in thicker stuff but they're typically
0:18:58.799,0:19:04.559
you know roughly a quarter
0:19:01.240,0:19:06.200
mile give or take right from those pups
0:19:04.559,0:19:09.240
and that's because that pup rearing area
0:19:06.200,0:19:12.200
is is fair size so and I'm talking about
0:19:09.240,0:19:13.960
from the heart of it they're watching
0:19:12.200,0:19:17.200
the the Cs that I've raised a lot of
0:19:13.960,0:19:20.840
times those CS the adults will be two to
0:19:17.200,0:19:22.799
400 yards approximately from the pups a
0:19:20.840,0:19:24.799
lot of the time as satellites and those
0:19:22.799,0:19:26.760
adults may not be together either they
0:19:24.799,0:19:29.039
they'll be spaced out you know you may
0:19:26.760,0:19:32.760
have one at 200 yards and one at four
0:19:29.039,0:19:35.559
500 yards um but when I go in to set up
0:19:32.760,0:19:38.159
on that I learned over the years rather
0:19:35.559,0:19:39.919
than going right in right on top of
0:19:38.159,0:19:42.520
where you've located those pups right in
0:19:39.919,0:19:46.520
the heart of that puper area if you stay
0:19:42.520,0:19:49.720
out off of where you pinned the pups you
0:19:46.520,0:19:53.039
know I I'll usually start roughly three
0:19:49.720,0:19:55.360
400 yards if I'm trying to Target adults
0:19:53.039,0:19:59.520
which is what that's kind of the way I
0:19:55.360,0:20:02.760
go into it now is we'll set up three 400
0:19:59.520,0:20:05.919
yards at least off of where we think
0:20:02.760,0:20:09.000
those pups are at and that UPS the odds
0:20:05.919,0:20:11.159
because the pups especially at this
0:20:09.000,0:20:12.480
stage you know three months old or so
0:20:11.159,0:20:14.320
they're not going to they're probably
0:20:12.480,0:20:18.280
not going to come that far to the call
0:20:14.320,0:20:21.080
right right so setting up away from them
0:20:18.280,0:20:23.280
reduces the risk of calling them up
0:20:21.080,0:20:25.320
lowers the odds you still may call them
0:20:23.280,0:20:27.360
in but it lowers the odds and it
0:20:25.320,0:20:28.880
increases the odds of you calling in
0:20:27.360,0:20:30.480
adults
0:20:28.880,0:20:32.840
I'm so glad you went into this stuff
0:20:30.480,0:20:34.679
that was my next question was TCT what
0:20:32.840,0:20:36.559
tactics are you putting into place to
0:20:34.679,0:20:39.720
call in these coyes and I actually had
0:20:36.559,0:20:41.400
it busted up between calling adults and
0:20:39.720,0:20:42.720
calling pups and that was one of the
0:20:41.400,0:20:45.000
questions too and I think a lot of
0:20:42.720,0:20:48.600
people were probably wondering you know
0:20:45.000,0:20:50.240
at the age and size these pups are now
0:20:48.600,0:20:53.039
they're actually big enough to start
0:20:50.240,0:20:55.480
coming to the fox Pro so if you're close
0:20:53.039,0:20:57.960
enough to them they will advance to the
0:20:55.480,0:20:59.960
call right I mean with pup distresses
0:20:57.960,0:21:02.320
pup fights tows or no you know whatever
0:20:59.960,0:21:04.440
you're playing and those three to four
0:21:02.320,0:21:07.120
month coats I
0:21:04.440,0:21:09.080
mean they are aggressive them things are
0:21:07.120,0:21:10.360
fighting that pup Peck in order and all
0:21:09.080,0:21:13.279
that kind of stuff I mean they're
0:21:10.360,0:21:14.679
they're not little baby coats anymore
0:21:13.279,0:21:16.559
you know they're they're not out on
0:21:14.679,0:21:19.799
their own yet you know they're still in
0:21:16.559,0:21:22.559
that family group but they will run over
0:21:19.799,0:21:24.760
hows and and pup fights and stuff like
0:21:22.559,0:21:27.360
that if you're close enough to them and
0:21:24.760,0:21:28.919
one of the mistakes that I made or not
0:21:27.360,0:21:31.200
necessarily a mistake just something
0:21:28.919,0:21:32.919
that I learned early on when I first
0:21:31.200,0:21:35.679
started going out locating coats and
0:21:32.919,0:21:38.200
hunting summertime CS I'd locate those
0:21:35.679,0:21:41.520
Cs and I would move in right on and this
0:21:38.200,0:21:43.640
is still something that I do but I would
0:21:41.520,0:21:45.679
move and try to get right in there on
0:21:43.640,0:21:48.400
top of where I heard those coats at and
0:21:45.679,0:21:51.159
what would happen is as soon as we'd
0:21:48.400,0:21:53.480
start calling you couldn't hardly help
0:21:51.159,0:21:54.799
but the pups would be there immediately
0:21:53.480,0:21:57.960
as soon as you start calling you'd have
0:21:54.799,0:21:59.720
pups in your lap right and you know that
0:21:57.960,0:22:01.240
a lot of times if you let them pups run
0:21:59.720,0:22:03.240
in there they smell you seeed they'll
0:22:01.240,0:22:05.679
act just like an adult you know they're
0:22:03.240,0:22:07.840
they're not going to hang around so if
0:22:05.679,0:22:10.440
they run back out there you may not be
0:22:07.840,0:22:12.919
able to call the adults in right and you
0:22:10.440,0:22:14.640
may want to you you may not if your goal
0:22:12.919,0:22:16.440
is to just kill coats and as many as you
0:22:14.640,0:22:20.240
want to kill and doing something like
0:22:16.440,0:22:22.400
that is fine because that's the quickest
0:22:20.240,0:22:26.520
way to get right in there on top of them
0:22:22.400,0:22:30.559
and call up cods quick but if you want
0:22:26.520,0:22:32.559
to my my Approach I'm trying to kill the
0:22:30.559,0:22:35.720
most that I can kill and depending on
0:22:32.559,0:22:37.240
where I'm at I may only kill the adults
0:22:35.720,0:22:38.559
other places I'm at I may try to kill
0:22:37.240,0:22:40.480
everything that's there so it just
0:22:38.559,0:22:44.159
depends on where I'm hunting at and what
0:22:40.480,0:22:47.840
the reason is behind it but in order to
0:22:44.159,0:22:50.559
take advantage of go Behavior this time
0:22:47.840,0:22:53.480
of the year and where those adults are
0:22:50.559,0:22:55.600
in relation to the pups what I do now
0:22:53.480,0:22:58.840
and what I learned after trial and error
0:22:55.600,0:23:02.200
and especially after raising coats is my
0:22:58.840,0:23:04.640
first setup is probably going to be you
0:23:02.200,0:23:05.919
know in that three to 400 yard range
0:23:04.640,0:23:07.679
depending on what the terrain and
0:23:05.919,0:23:10.240
everything looks like but typically in
0:23:07.679,0:23:13.000
that range from where I heard the pups
0:23:10.240,0:23:16.080
or where I think those pups are at and
0:23:13.000,0:23:20.320
that really increases the odds of me
0:23:16.080,0:23:22.320
calling adults in ahead of the pups and
0:23:20.320,0:23:24.080
I have to cut you off here but one thing
0:23:22.320,0:23:25.799
guys got to keep in mind too like when
0:23:24.080,0:23:27.799
Tor was talking about if he locates
0:23:25.799,0:23:29.559
these coyotes and locates these pups and
0:23:27.799,0:23:33.320
stuff if you straight in there and try
0:23:29.559,0:23:36.200
to get right inside that that core area
0:23:33.320,0:23:38.360
with these adults being you know a
0:23:36.200,0:23:41.000
couple hundred or a few hundred yards
0:23:38.360,0:23:42.320
outside of that you could bump those
0:23:41.000,0:23:45.039
adult coyes trying to get in there and
0:23:42.320,0:23:47.360
get set up so that's one great tactic
0:23:45.039,0:23:49.840
not trying to get too tight because you
0:23:47.360,0:23:52.400
take the risk the tighter you go the
0:23:49.840,0:23:56.000
more risk you have of bumping the
0:23:52.400,0:23:59.039
adults and and if you set up you know
0:23:56.000,0:24:02.200
sometimes you your first setup you may
0:23:59.039,0:24:04.360
be too far away the the adults may be
0:24:02.200,0:24:05.720
out the back side of the puer area and
0:24:04.360,0:24:08.360
you've come in on the front side and
0:24:05.720,0:24:11.080
made your first stand and you don't call
0:24:08.360,0:24:13.200
anything in nothing is lost you know you
0:24:11.080,0:24:15.440
just make a stand there for a few
0:24:13.200,0:24:19.400
minutes see if you can pull one of those
0:24:15.440,0:24:21.400
adults in and if if you don't then you
0:24:19.400,0:24:23.559
just Advance towards where those pups
0:24:21.400,0:24:26.120
were at and set up again you know you
0:24:23.559,0:24:27.760
close distance and that people have
0:24:26.120,0:24:30.559
heard us talk about moving and watched
0:24:27.760,0:24:32.480
on the video was moving on coats As you
0:24:30.559,0:24:34.760
move that pressure that you're applying
0:24:32.480,0:24:38.320
to that ping area and to those pups that
0:24:34.760,0:24:40.320
are inside that ping area that triggers
0:24:38.320,0:24:43.120
coats that pressure from the move
0:24:40.320,0:24:46.679
triggers coats as much as your sounds do
0:24:43.120,0:24:50.360
I mean it is as important maybe even
0:24:46.679,0:24:52.720
more important than your sound choices
0:24:50.360,0:24:56.000
once you get set up because they they
0:24:52.720,0:24:57.880
just if you set up 400 yards away and
0:24:56.000,0:24:59.880
they don't perceive you as a threat but
0:24:57.880,0:25:02.240
then you move move up another 100 200
0:24:59.880,0:25:04.480
yards and now you're 200 yards from
0:25:02.240,0:25:07.960
where you thought or from where you
0:25:04.480,0:25:10.039
pinned those pups then all of a sudden
0:25:07.960,0:25:12.120
they can't handle that right and they'll
0:25:10.039,0:25:13.799
run right over the top of you so you
0:25:12.120,0:25:16.200
have that ability setting up a little
0:25:13.799,0:25:19.159
bit farther back trying to Target adults
0:25:16.200,0:25:22.559
with your initial setup and then
0:25:19.159,0:25:24.600
moving towards where you've got those
0:25:22.559,0:25:26.919
the core of that pup pring area pinned
0:25:24.600,0:25:30.360
and where those pups are howling
0:25:26.919,0:25:32.159
from that will really up your odds of
0:25:30.360,0:25:34.279
picking off adults and then being able
0:25:32.159,0:25:36.279
to move on in and kill the pups too if
0:25:34.279,0:25:38.600
you you know if you want to and if you
0:25:36.279,0:25:41.600
take out those adults that just UPS the
0:25:38.600,0:25:43.399
odds of you calling in and killing you
0:25:41.600,0:25:45.760
know wiping out that whole family group
0:25:43.399,0:25:47.440
if that's if that's what your goal is
0:25:45.760,0:25:49.559
right well that's great stuff I'm glad
0:25:47.440,0:25:51.159
you covered the tactic stuff that uh
0:25:49.559,0:25:53.240
that just kept me from having to ask you
0:25:51.159,0:25:54.559
the questions Tory so that's great you
0:25:53.240,0:25:57.240
almost act like we've been we've done
0:25:54.559,0:25:59.320
this time or three I was just thinking
0:25:57.240,0:26:01.679
that we done got done got pretty good at
0:25:59.320,0:26:03.640
it well you have uh since we talked
0:26:01.679,0:26:05.320
about all that stuff Tori uh you know we
0:26:03.640,0:26:06.799
talked about the tactic stuff how you
0:26:05.320,0:26:09.480
w't like to set up on them and
0:26:06.799,0:26:12.120
everything else uh and what to expect
0:26:09.480,0:26:14.880
out of those CS uh what about we might
0:26:12.120,0:26:17.480
as well talk about sound sound choice
0:26:14.880,0:26:20.159
and sequence choice you know to Calles
0:26:17.480,0:26:22.000
these summer coats is there is there any
0:26:20.159,0:26:24.880
kind of sounds that you would stay away
0:26:22.000,0:26:27.120
from to try like to avoid calling pups
0:26:24.880,0:26:30.720
is there sounds that you would play play
0:26:27.120,0:26:32.720
more to call the pups and uh and vice
0:26:30.720,0:26:37.120
versa for the adults as
0:26:32.720,0:26:40.159
well yeah um to avoid if you move in
0:26:37.120,0:26:42.640
real tight to pups and you use lone
0:26:40.159,0:26:45.360
house and and family group serenades and
0:26:42.640,0:26:47.440
stuff like that those pups are gonna run
0:26:45.360,0:26:50.640
over you that that is one of the biggest
0:26:47.440,0:26:53.000
myths that used to be put out in every
0:26:50.640,0:26:55.399
magazine I mean everybody that's that's
0:26:53.000,0:26:59.080
fulled with C hunting very long before
0:26:55.399,0:27:02.720
vocal stuff became understood could
0:26:59.080,0:27:03.880
better everybody thought if you HED cow
0:27:02.720,0:27:05.679
pups were going to run the other way
0:27:03.880,0:27:07.480
that they were scared of it and that is
0:27:05.679,0:27:09.840
absolutely not true that's the number
0:27:07.480,0:27:12.120
one sound that's what they know when
0:27:09.840,0:27:13.679
they reunite you know like we said
0:27:12.120,0:27:16.240
they're they're acting as satellites but
0:27:13.679,0:27:19.240
they come together and anytime they're
0:27:16.240,0:27:20.760
separated and apart howling is how they
0:27:19.240,0:27:22.679
communicate that's how that that's the
0:27:20.760,0:27:25.240
purpose of it that's how they reunite
0:27:22.679,0:27:29.799
reassemble and come together so when you
0:27:25.240,0:27:32.000
move in tight on on young pups and you
0:27:29.799,0:27:34.240
let out aone how especially if those
0:27:32.000,0:27:36.320
adults are not right there with them
0:27:34.240,0:27:38.240
then they will run over the top of you
0:27:36.320,0:27:40.519
before the you know if you're close to
0:27:38.240,0:27:42.440
them before the hows finish you got pups
0:27:40.519,0:27:44.640
in your lap right same thing with some
0:27:42.440,0:27:47.600
of your family group house especially if
0:27:44.640,0:27:49.640
it's adult pup you know group house they
0:27:47.600,0:27:53.120
will run over the top of you so if you
0:27:49.640,0:27:56.559
are tight to those you know you you've
0:27:53.120,0:27:58.600
got inside that 400 500 yard range and
0:27:56.559,0:28:01.440
you start running a bunch of houss how
0:27:58.600,0:28:04.640
odd you're gonna call those pups up what
0:28:01.440,0:28:08.120
a lot of people don't realize is that
0:28:04.640,0:28:10.080
prey distress sounds or lower odds they
0:28:08.120,0:28:13.360
will come to it out of curiosity
0:28:10.080,0:28:15.880
sometimes right but pray distress sounds
0:28:13.360,0:28:17.679
actually scare Co pups they don't know
0:28:15.880,0:28:20.519
what a lot of times early on because
0:28:17.679,0:28:22.240
they don't know what it is and I've had
0:28:20.519,0:28:25.760
people tell me that was
0:28:22.240,0:28:27.159
BS it totally it totally makes sense if
0:28:25.760,0:28:29.039
you think about it they haven't caught
0:28:27.159,0:28:29.760
anything and haven't heard that yet yeah
0:28:29.039,0:28:33.200
it's a
0:28:29.760,0:28:35.640
new I've I've witnessed it oh even with
0:28:33.200,0:28:37.720
stuff as small as Birds yeah you know
0:28:35.640,0:28:40.080
crippled birds and stuff like that they
0:28:37.720,0:28:42.960
are they don't know what it is the sound
0:28:40.080,0:28:45.799
scares them you know they may show some
0:28:42.960,0:28:50.000
of the pups may show curiosity to it and
0:28:45.799,0:28:51.760
as they age you they begin to learn what
0:28:50.000,0:28:54.840
that stuff is and they will begin to
0:28:51.760,0:28:57.279
come to it but typically prey distress
0:28:54.840,0:28:59.399
sounds lower the odds of you of you
0:28:57.279,0:29:01.080
calling in well you know if you know if
0:28:59.399,0:29:04.080
a little bird sounds scares them just
0:29:01.080,0:29:06.440
imagine if AIG if a fawn is screaming or
0:29:04.080,0:29:09.000
a big jack rabbits whing away you know
0:29:06.440,0:29:11.000
it ought to frighten them yeah they're
0:29:09.000,0:29:13.159
just unsure of what it is they haven't
0:29:11.000,0:29:16.120
experienced that yet and so they're
0:29:13.159,0:29:19.200
they're a little bit Leery and cautious
0:29:16.120,0:29:20.600
of coming to those sounds on the flip
0:29:19.200,0:29:22.399
side we've talked about it on other
0:29:20.600,0:29:25.320
podcast a bunch of
0:29:22.399,0:29:27.120
times I don't like to use my rabbits and
0:29:25.320,0:29:29.000
bird sounds and stuff like that to
0:29:27.120,0:29:30.480
Target adult out even though it'll call
0:29:29.000,0:29:33.320
them in in the summertime I don't like
0:29:30.480,0:29:35.760
to use those sounds to Target adults
0:29:33.320,0:29:37.559
because I want to save them forly right
0:29:35.760,0:29:39.320
that's exactly right I got to go back
0:29:37.559,0:29:42.000
and Hunt my spots Tor I ain't got
0:29:39.320,0:29:45.120
unlimited ground I gotta save some
0:29:42.000,0:29:48.760
sounds that's right but that does open
0:29:45.120,0:29:51.399
the door to as far as sounds to use I
0:29:48.760,0:29:54.159
guess getting back to your question my
0:29:51.399,0:29:57.720
summmer my summer sequences are
0:29:54.159,0:30:00.919
basically built around Lon house family
0:29:57.720,0:30:04.159
group PS social interaction pup distress
0:30:00.919,0:30:07.200
pup fights and adult fights that is the
0:30:04.159,0:30:09.399
basic you know my my basic summer
0:30:07.200,0:30:10.880
sequence in pretty much that order not
0:30:09.399,0:30:12.760
that it necessarily matters but that's
0:30:10.880,0:30:14.360
usually the order I follow let's put
0:30:12.760,0:30:16.080
let's put it t way you're fixing to go
0:30:14.360,0:30:19.640
to Tennessee you goingon to be hunting
0:30:16.080,0:30:21.320
down there Greg and Clint you know um
0:30:19.640,0:30:23.399
somebody's going to be on a
0:30:21.320,0:30:24.519
camera uh you and Clint going to be
0:30:23.399,0:30:27.080
sitting there you know Greg's going to
0:30:24.519,0:30:29.640
be on the camera Tori and Clint going to
0:30:27.080,0:30:32.519
be sitting there 12 G shotguns loaded to
0:30:29.640,0:30:35.960
the gills with TSS and you've got the
0:30:32.519,0:30:39.159
remote in your hands U let's say a ky
0:30:35.960,0:30:40.519
don't come in till the 15 minute Mark of
0:30:39.159,0:30:42.480
course I know he's going to show up in
0:30:40.519,0:30:44.360
about a minute 37 you going to bust him
0:30:42.480,0:30:46.360
with a shotgun but say if you have to go
0:30:44.360,0:30:48.440
through a full sequence play after our
0:30:46.360,0:30:50.720
Force what what do you what do you plan
0:30:48.440,0:30:56.240
two mornings from
0:30:50.720,0:30:57.120
today okay well when when we move in
0:30:56.240,0:30:59.120
we're going to know we're going to be
0:30:57.120,0:31:00.919
hunting located C for sure we're not
0:30:59.120,0:31:02.760
going to set up unless we already know
0:31:00.919,0:31:05.960
where that ping area is at and where we
0:31:02.760,0:31:07.799
expect the C to be so typically when we
0:31:05.960,0:31:12.120
set down and set up we're probably going
0:31:07.799,0:31:15.519
to be in that three 400 yard range to
0:31:12.120,0:31:18.519
begin with and I'm gonna do one of two
0:31:15.519,0:31:20.960
one of two things right off the bat and
0:31:18.519,0:31:23.720
I'm doing it to try to Target adult Cs
0:31:20.960,0:31:26.039
and I'm also you know hoping that I'm
0:31:23.720,0:31:27.679
far enough away being that roughly 400
0:31:26.039,0:31:31.039
yards and I'm not too worried about the
0:31:27.679,0:31:32.519
club s coming even if I play house so
0:31:31.039,0:31:34.679
the one or two things that I'm going to
0:31:32.519,0:31:37.639
start with is either going to be fond to
0:31:34.679,0:31:39.320
stress or a lone how and just depending
0:31:37.639,0:31:42.159
on the stand and the reason I'm going to
0:31:39.320,0:31:43.880
do that is because that fond distress
0:31:42.159,0:31:46.519
keeps me from using my rabbits or my
0:31:43.880,0:31:48.559
birds it's also great for this time of
0:31:46.519,0:31:51.399
the year it targets the adult
0:31:48.559,0:31:54.799
specifically targets the adult Couts so
0:31:51.399,0:31:56.840
a lot of times even though the the meat
0:31:54.799,0:31:59.360
and potatoes so to speak of my sequence
0:31:56.840,0:32:01.559
is going to be those lone house group
0:31:59.360,0:32:03.639
house you know social interaction pup
0:32:01.559,0:32:05.679
the stuff we talked about a while ago I
0:32:03.639,0:32:08.519
may run two or three minutes of that
0:32:05.679,0:32:12.000
fond distress just to try to pick off
0:32:08.519,0:32:15.320
one of those adults if I don't start
0:32:12.000,0:32:18.159
with it I'm gonna start with a lone how
0:32:15.320,0:32:20.240
and then probably fall right behind that
0:32:18.159,0:32:22.279
and that's keeping in mind that we're at
0:32:20.240,0:32:25.600
that 400 yard
0:32:22.279,0:32:28.080
range I'll probably run it for you know
0:32:25.600,0:32:32.600
run a series of Lan house to get
0:32:28.080,0:32:35.880
attention of the adults mainly and and
0:32:32.600,0:32:38.679
it may also get those CS to how you know
0:32:35.880,0:32:41.200
a lot of times this time year so so it
0:32:38.679,0:32:42.799
will give us you know it will verify
0:32:41.200,0:32:44.760
that where we're set up is in the right
0:32:42.799,0:32:46.799
spot based on the information we had
0:32:44.760,0:32:50.519
from the night before the last time the
0:32:46.799,0:32:55.080
Cs were located and
0:32:50.519,0:32:57.200
so if I start with a lone how and I like
0:32:55.080,0:33:00.639
where we're sitting then I'll probably
0:32:57.200,0:33:03.919
go to that f to stress next and that's
0:33:00.639,0:33:05.559
typically that's that's the more common
0:33:03.919,0:33:07.480
way we start a stand we'll start it with
0:33:05.559,0:33:10.200
Lan house and then at some point right
0:33:07.480,0:33:12.360
after those Lan houss if we like our
0:33:10.200,0:33:14.159
setup in relation to where the Cs how
0:33:12.360,0:33:16.039
back whatever we'll we'll run two or
0:33:14.159,0:33:18.039
three minutes of that Fonda stress
0:33:16.039,0:33:22.279
trying to pick off an adult goat right
0:33:18.039,0:33:24.399
off the bat if things don't work out we
0:33:22.279,0:33:28.639
don't call up an adult those coats have
0:33:24.399,0:33:29.919
HED we know that they're 400 plus yards
0:33:28.639,0:33:31.960
I'm probably not going to burn their
0:33:29.919,0:33:34.120
ears up too much if I can't get an adult
0:33:31.960,0:33:36.080
pretty quick right there we'll probably
0:33:34.120,0:33:37.960
ease up just a little bit you know close
0:33:36.080,0:33:41.120
the distance 100 200 yards of course
0:33:37.960,0:33:43.919
this is in the woods so most of the time
0:33:41.120,0:33:45.279
and then we'll go right to that that
0:33:43.919,0:33:47.120
sequence and I'm going to start with
0:33:45.279,0:33:49.519
something one of the one of the Lan
0:33:47.120,0:33:53.240
house either and I rotate between
0:33:49.519,0:33:55.159
several different ones Boon L Wine House
0:33:53.240,0:33:58.000
always a favorite that I start with come
0:33:55.159,0:33:59.159
here lonely house one of your favorites
0:33:58.000,0:34:02.600
bougie
0:33:59.159,0:34:04.919
homesick um I really like that one uh
0:34:02.600,0:34:07.639
the juice house some of the little bee
0:34:04.919,0:34:09.720
house any of those lone houss is is
0:34:07.639,0:34:11.599
typically what I'm going to start with
0:34:09.720,0:34:14.960
if we get a response
0:34:11.599,0:34:16.480
back and the coachs don't show up a lot
0:34:14.960,0:34:18.639
of times I'll follow that with one of
0:34:16.480,0:34:20.079
the pup house you know another Lon how I
0:34:18.639,0:34:21.800
was including those with lone house
0:34:20.079,0:34:25.040
earlier but I'll follow that with a lone
0:34:21.800,0:34:28.359
how see if they'll show up on that and
0:34:25.040,0:34:31.320
then go to a family group a of some kind
0:34:28.359,0:34:34.960
you know holler back group six pup
0:34:31.320,0:34:36.399
serenade happy yappy any of those group
0:34:34.960,0:34:38.919
family group
0:34:36.399,0:34:41.399
house nothing shows up I'm going right
0:34:38.919,0:34:45.119
into the social interaction stuff I like
0:34:41.399,0:34:47.440
the uh the uh Mom Dad Den call greet and
0:34:45.119,0:34:49.520
wine submissive Bearer one of my alltime
0:34:47.440,0:34:52.280
favorites you know two or three minutes
0:34:49.520,0:34:53.879
of stuff like that and I may play a
0:34:52.280,0:34:57.760
couple different ones and then I'm going
0:34:53.879,0:34:59.359
to go into a pup distress and I know
0:34:57.760,0:35:01.640
know you really like it too but I'm GNA
0:34:59.359,0:35:06.280
go into something like broke pups oh
0:35:01.640,0:35:08.440
yeah or any of those of those pump
0:35:06.280,0:35:09.880
distresses and a lot of times I may play
0:35:08.440,0:35:11.839
two or three different ones from
0:35:09.880,0:35:13.839
different age classes we've talked about
0:35:11.839,0:35:15.640
that before and then I'll move I
0:35:13.839,0:35:17.760
typically don't stick with the uh the
0:35:15.640,0:35:19.839
pup distress stuff too long before I
0:35:17.760,0:35:21.880
move right into those pup fights and
0:35:19.839,0:35:25.160
that's just because the pups are doing
0:35:21.880,0:35:27.280
so much much of that at this time frame
0:35:25.160,0:35:29.839
right a big portion of their day is
0:35:27.280,0:35:31.119
spent fighting with litter mates for
0:35:29.839,0:35:33.400
pecking order especially if you're
0:35:31.119,0:35:35.680
calling to a you know if you got a group
0:35:33.400,0:35:38.040
where there's six seven eight pups them
0:35:35.680,0:35:40.720
things are just constantly fighting and
0:35:38.040,0:35:44.000
playing and carrying on so I go to those
0:35:40.720,0:35:48.440
sounds that I know that they're making
0:35:44.000,0:35:50.720
Non-Stop and you know at that at that
0:35:48.440,0:35:52.960
stage you know if you've moved in a
0:35:50.720,0:35:54.359
little bit tighter those pups when you
0:35:52.960,0:35:56.920
start running through those type
0:35:54.359,0:35:58.839
sequences all the sounds we just covered
0:35:56.920,0:36:01.160
you could call either are you can call
0:35:58.839,0:36:03.440
the adults you can call the pups if you
0:36:01.160,0:36:05.200
want to stay away from calling pups keep
0:36:03.440,0:36:08.000
that distance away from where you think
0:36:05.200,0:36:10.440
they're at in that during the July time
0:36:08.000,0:36:12.400
frame if you keep that three 400 yards
0:36:10.440,0:36:15.160
you're probably not GNA you're not going
0:36:12.400,0:36:18.040
to be as likely to call them up right
0:36:15.160,0:36:19.560
you of course as as summer goes on
0:36:18.040,0:36:21.520
they're gonna come to the call farther
0:36:19.560,0:36:24.560
so you would have to set up farther away
0:36:21.520,0:36:27.599
but once you start moving inside that
0:36:24.560,0:36:30.319
that 200 yard range you start really up
0:36:27.599,0:36:33.480
and increasing the odds of calling up
0:36:30.319,0:36:36.599
any family member whether it be the runt
0:36:33.480,0:36:40.119
pup all the way up to you know the male
0:36:36.599,0:36:43.560
of the bunch you know the the daddy dog
0:36:40.119,0:36:45.160
you can call up any of them so that
0:36:43.560,0:36:47.440
distance plays a role in it and then if
0:36:45.160,0:36:49.960
they don't show up on those uh on those
0:36:47.440,0:36:53.319
pup fights I'm going to go to one of the
0:36:49.960,0:36:56.319
really aggressive U Bight sounds like
0:36:53.319,0:36:58.480
Bight challenge Pound Town table scraps
0:36:56.319,0:37:00.240
uh some of the hot sauce fire saw sounds
0:36:58.480,0:37:03.079
we had really good luck with those
0:37:00.240,0:37:05.000
sounds in Tennessee last year uh towards
0:37:03.079,0:37:08.720
the end we were we were calling in coats
0:37:05.000,0:37:10.800
on some stands with fine distress and
0:37:08.720,0:37:12.880
then go through some of the other sounds
0:37:10.800,0:37:14.800
not call anything else up and then swap
0:37:12.880,0:37:17.440
over to one of those hot or Fire Sauce
0:37:14.800,0:37:19.560
sounds and then call in another adult
0:37:17.440,0:37:22.960
you know 10 minutes later on the same
0:37:19.560,0:37:26.160
stand so you can pick off and then on
0:37:22.960,0:37:28.520
other ones we may call in two adults
0:37:26.160,0:37:32.119
early in the stand when we're set up a
0:37:28.520,0:37:34.240
little bit further then move in and you
0:37:32.119,0:37:37.359
know call in five or six pups right
0:37:34.240,0:37:40.520
right so structuring your stand with
0:37:37.359,0:37:42.800
your distance and your choice of sounds
0:37:40.520,0:37:45.720
you know beginning the stand and then
0:37:42.800,0:37:48.920
progressing through it you can you can
0:37:45.720,0:37:52.000
to a certain degree Target what kind of
0:37:48.920,0:37:54.400
couch you want to call up thatter pup
0:37:52.000,0:37:56.520
and and have and have action from the
0:37:54.400,0:37:58.000
from the start of the stand Plum to the
0:37:56.520,0:38:00.040
end and
0:37:58.000,0:38:01.760
right just going off what Tor said here
0:38:00.040,0:38:03.400
you don't have to be too afraid with
0:38:01.760,0:38:05.359
with throwing a lot of sounds out there
0:38:03.400,0:38:06.760
you know Tor just name what you name off
0:38:05.359,0:38:10.160
like in one sequence you might play
0:38:06.760,0:38:13.079
anywhere from six to 10 different sounds
0:38:10.160,0:38:15.119
right oh yeah yeah or or more or more
0:38:13.079,0:38:17.160
and I'm not and and that's something
0:38:15.119,0:38:20.319
else you got to keep in mind especially
0:38:17.160,0:38:25.680
this time of the year
0:38:20.319,0:38:27.760
you you should be calling with the idea
0:38:25.680,0:38:30.319
that you're in close proximity to these
0:38:27.760,0:38:32.640
coats right off the bat I mean even at
0:38:30.319,0:38:35.359
400 yards that's close proximity yeah
0:38:32.640,0:38:38.560
you know for compared to Winter calling
0:38:35.359,0:38:41.400
yeah so when you're in close proximity
0:38:38.560,0:38:44.640
to those coats just think how quick a CO
0:38:41.400,0:38:47.440
covers 400 yards or even a half a mile C
0:38:44.640,0:38:49.839
cover a half a mile in no time so when
0:38:47.440,0:38:52.040
you're playing through sounds there is
0:38:49.839,0:38:55.760
no point if you think if you have
0:38:52.040,0:38:58.160
located CS or you know that they're in a
0:38:55.760,0:39:00.200
particular wood block around a certain
0:38:58.160,0:39:03.359
pasture whatever if you know those cat
0:39:00.200,0:39:06.800
are there there is no reason to play a
0:39:03.359,0:39:10.040
sound for six seven8 10 minutes should
0:39:06.800,0:39:12.400
show Fast yeah when you kick that sound
0:39:10.040,0:39:14.440
on if that coat's gonna trigger he's
0:39:12.400,0:39:16.720
gonna trigger pretty I mean some sounds
0:39:14.440,0:39:18.960
have some change up so you know it may
0:39:16.720,0:39:21.079
be 30 seconds into the sound before he
0:39:18.960,0:39:24.839
actually triggers but it's not going to
0:39:21.079,0:39:26.760
take minutes to trigger the C when the
0:39:24.839,0:39:27.839
sound comes on they're going to trigger
0:39:26.760,0:39:31.079
pretty quick and they're going to get
0:39:27.839,0:39:32.640
there pretty quick so you up your odds
0:39:31.079,0:39:34.599
for one you don't burn their ears you
0:39:32.640,0:39:37.200
don't educate them to sounds they don't
0:39:34.599,0:39:41.680
lose interest you you gotta keep in mind
0:39:37.200,0:39:46.839
that a dog K9 Co dog they all have that
0:39:41.680,0:39:49.079
that short attention span too so if you
0:39:46.839,0:39:52.359
change sounds pretty regular they don't
0:39:49.079,0:39:53.760
have time to process that to to learn it
0:39:52.359,0:39:55.640
kind of like teaching them a trick you
0:39:53.760,0:39:57.800
gotta it's got to be repetitive right
0:39:55.640,0:39:59.839
sounds are similar when you're play and
0:39:57.800,0:40:02.720
and I've tested this with the Cs we've
0:39:59.839,0:40:07.000
raised too and it's one of the reasons I
0:40:02.720,0:40:09.119
do so much change up with my sounds and
0:40:07.000,0:40:11.319
playing them for a short period of time
0:40:09.119,0:40:13.720
it gives you a lot of trigger options by
0:40:11.319,0:40:16.680
playing those multiple sounds for a
0:40:13.720,0:40:18.920
short period of time and it reduces the
0:40:16.680,0:40:22.079
odds of you know just think about it
0:40:18.920,0:40:24.119
even even you sitting there on stand if
0:40:22.079,0:40:26.319
you play three or four sounds it's
0:40:24.119,0:40:29.240
pretty easy to remember what you played
0:40:26.319,0:40:30.839
right if you play dozing sounds on stand
0:40:29.240,0:40:33.839
you don't have a clue what you play
0:40:30.839,0:40:38.040
might lose track a little bit right well
0:40:33.839,0:40:40.400
the C the the C is having that same when
0:40:38.040,0:40:42.960
you're constantly giving him something
0:40:40.400,0:40:46.720
different it UPS the odds of triggering
0:40:42.960,0:40:50.000
and it reduces the odds of what I refer
0:40:46.720,0:40:52.280
to is burning their ears and potentially
0:40:50.000,0:40:53.880
educating them to a particular sound to
0:40:52.280,0:40:56.839
where they get to listen to it long
0:40:53.880,0:40:57.800
enough that they lose interest and say
0:40:56.839,0:41:00.920
ah
0:40:57.800,0:41:02.720
uh I'm a little suspicious of that or I
0:41:00.920,0:41:04.920
don't buy it or whatever and then the
0:41:02.720,0:41:08.000
next time you play that sound the next
0:41:04.920,0:41:11.560
time you come back you you tip that c
0:41:08.000,0:41:14.560
off right off the bat yeah so multiple
0:41:11.560,0:41:17.119
multiple reasons for you know
0:41:14.560,0:41:19.960
playing changing sounds and changing
0:41:17.119,0:41:21.359
sounds fairly fairly frequent well one
0:41:19.960,0:41:24.800
thing I liked about you laying out your
0:41:21.359,0:41:27.400
sequence there and I I try to tell this
0:41:24.800,0:41:28.720
in seminars and stuff like that and it
0:41:27.400,0:41:30.400
don't matter what time of year it is I
0:41:28.720,0:41:33.040
like how you laid it out where you're
0:41:30.400,0:41:34.680
you're building an intensity throughout
0:41:33.040,0:41:37.160
your stand you know you're not starting
0:41:34.680,0:41:38.760
off with fight challenge you know I me
0:41:37.160,0:41:41.040
you're not starting off with Pound Town
0:41:38.760,0:41:42.520
you're working up to that you know if it
0:41:41.040,0:41:44.880
comes that towards the end to get the
0:41:42.520,0:41:47.560
coyotes killed then it comes to that but
0:41:44.880,0:41:50.160
you know I I've always been a big fan of
0:41:47.560,0:41:52.040
building in intensity throughout the
0:41:50.160,0:41:54.319
stand instead of starting because it's
0:41:52.040,0:41:57.599
hard to go it's hard if you start out
0:41:54.319,0:42:00.480
hot it's hard to backpedal you know what
0:41:57.599,0:42:02.839
I mean you know if you if you call kyot
0:42:00.480,0:42:04.160
in on the hottest sound you got uh
0:42:02.839,0:42:05.680
you're probably not going to call you
0:42:04.160,0:42:07.440
know after the Smoke Clears and you
0:42:05.680,0:42:09.680
still got Coyotes out there it's hard to
0:42:07.440,0:42:11.440
go back the other way and still keep the
0:42:09.680,0:42:15.480
excitement up you know what I mean they
0:42:11.440,0:42:17.319
keep them coming well do you uh this I
0:42:15.480,0:42:19.440
mean we both got good information a lot
0:42:17.319,0:42:21.000
of times I know most of the time it
0:42:19.440,0:42:23.559
pretty well mirrors each other but do
0:42:21.000,0:42:25.440
you what about your sequence and your
0:42:23.559,0:42:28.200
approach do you do anything different I
0:42:25.440,0:42:30.440
mean what's uh what's joh going to do
0:42:28.200,0:42:33.760
only thing that I have kind of cut out a
0:42:30.440,0:42:36.880
little bit here lately is be and and the
0:42:33.760,0:42:40.440
reason is is cuz I've got a ton of deer
0:42:36.880,0:42:44.800
in my area I've kind of almost quit with
0:42:40.440,0:42:47.720
a fond distress um yes we actually had
0:42:44.800,0:42:50.480
uh used Pond stress the other day uh we
0:42:47.720,0:42:52.800
saw we saw a dough out there fooling
0:42:50.480,0:42:54.960
around and and uh I knew what would
0:42:52.800,0:42:56.480
happen if I played a Fonda stress but
0:42:54.960,0:42:58.640
the camera guy said we we'll play a
0:42:56.480,0:43:00.760
little bit of fond see see if a cow come
0:42:58.640,0:43:02.480
that you know what that Mama do got a
0:43:00.760,0:43:04.640
baby out there I ain't playing no fond
0:43:02.480,0:43:06.000
dress I know what's going to happen well
0:43:04.640,0:43:08.359
guess what I I went ahead and played the
0:43:06.000,0:43:09.920
fond distress she came around we just
0:43:08.359,0:43:11.520
posted this on Tik Tok so anybody
0:43:09.920,0:43:14.079
follows the fox Pro Tik Tok page you
0:43:11.520,0:43:17.400
know exactly what I'm talking about she
0:43:14.079,0:43:18.800
absolutely pounded that x24 of course it
0:43:17.400,0:43:21.440
didn't hurt nothing it just kept on
0:43:18.800,0:43:25.000
ticking but no I'm I'm pretty much the
0:43:21.440,0:43:27.400
same way seem seems like I kind of
0:43:25.000,0:43:28.839
hold uh there's just a couple those
0:43:27.400,0:43:30.640
things that I take out I'm pretty much
0:43:28.839,0:43:32.440
running the same type of sequence except
0:43:30.640,0:43:34.319
I'm taking out fond to stress just
0:43:32.440,0:43:36.359
because I just want to keep the mama do
0:43:34.319,0:43:38.440
off of me but I have had great luck
0:43:36.359,0:43:40.040
calling coats in the Fawn distress so I
0:43:38.440,0:43:42.680
mean don't when I say that don't be
0:43:40.040,0:43:45.079
afraid to run the Fawn cuz it definitely
0:43:42.680,0:43:48.760
works for CS uh but the other thing that
0:43:45.079,0:43:52.200
I pull off is I'm not usually typically
0:43:48.760,0:43:54.920
running uh pup house at this point I'm
0:43:52.200,0:43:57.680
usually waiting till about August and
0:43:54.920,0:43:59.480
and why it's just the reason do that
0:43:57.680,0:44:03.680
because I'm generally running the same
0:43:59.480,0:44:06.400
type of sequence all the way through um
0:44:03.680,0:44:08.160
you know June through early September
0:44:06.400,0:44:10.760
I'm just taking some things out and
0:44:08.160,0:44:13.440
putting some things in so my pup house
0:44:10.760,0:44:16.079
is something I I hold on till that
0:44:13.440,0:44:17.359
August and September time frame uh
0:44:16.079,0:44:18.680
that's just me personally that's what I
0:44:17.359,0:44:21.079
like to do but yeah I'm starting out
0:44:18.680,0:44:23.359
with a I'm starting out with some former
0:44:21.079,0:44:25.400
lone house cir lonely house is one of my
0:44:23.359,0:44:28.000
favorites Boon lone wine house is one of
0:44:25.400,0:44:30.000
my favorites and then I do play a lot of
0:44:28.000,0:44:32.079
uh female sore housee from Fox Pro
0:44:30.000,0:44:33.720
through the summer months uh the last gu
0:44:32.079,0:44:37.440
ow I killed this stand I started off
0:44:33.720,0:44:39.160
with female sore housee um I usually
0:44:37.440,0:44:41.359
probably the first pup sound that's out
0:44:39.160,0:44:43.720
of my call this time of year I really
0:44:41.359,0:44:46.240
love broke pups it's become one of my
0:44:43.720,0:44:49.680
very favorite sounds I've just called so
0:44:46.240,0:44:52.400
many coyotes to it and there you know
0:44:49.680,0:44:55.160
probably over the last three years
0:44:52.400,0:44:58.720
probably 80% of the coyotes I've killed
0:44:55.160,0:45:00.760
through the um Denning season and pup
0:44:58.720,0:45:03.720
earing season has come to Dag on broke
0:45:00.760,0:45:06.040
pups and uh you know it's just it's just
0:45:03.720,0:45:07.400
that Stout of sound it's usually if they
0:45:06.040,0:45:08.680
haven't showed up to that they probably
0:45:07.400,0:45:10.280
not going to show up till nothing till
0:45:08.680,0:45:14.200
the fights it just seem like it's played
0:45:10.280,0:45:15.880
out that way but yeah lone house uh
0:45:14.200,0:45:17.640
sometimes I'll go into a group how just
0:45:15.880,0:45:19.680
right after that Lan house sometimes I
0:45:17.640,0:45:22.599
don't uh but then using my first sound
0:45:19.680,0:45:25.200
as broke pups and then I'll usually play
0:45:22.599,0:45:27.640
at least two sometimes three different
0:45:25.200,0:45:29.599
pup distress sounds uh just kind of
0:45:27.640,0:45:31.800
bumping through some of that age class
0:45:29.599,0:45:33.400
stuff um I've got to where I really like
0:45:31.800,0:45:35.559
that stanky pup I don't know I've had a
0:45:33.400,0:45:38.599
lot of Callins to stanky pup I think I
0:45:35.559,0:45:43.160
called the last Coy I called in I ran
0:45:38.599,0:45:46.599
through house um uh broke pups and I
0:45:43.160,0:45:49.079
think I played uh bougie 8 week and then
0:45:46.599,0:45:50.800
went right into stanky 8 week and man
0:45:49.079,0:45:52.400
there come a Cy running out out there
0:45:50.800,0:45:54.280
like he's never heard a call before in
0:45:52.400,0:45:55.720
his life and a thing didn't have hardly
0:45:54.280,0:45:57.880
a tooth in his head so it just kind of
0:45:55.720,0:46:00.800
shows those triggers but yeah I'll
0:45:57.880,0:46:02.920
usually run at least two maybe three
0:46:00.800,0:46:04.800
different pups then I'll play one or two
0:46:02.920,0:46:08.240
pup fights and then I'm ending with some
0:46:04.800,0:46:10.559
kind of allout fight uh Pound Town table
0:46:08.240,0:46:12.160
scraps and fight challenge of course one
0:46:10.559,0:46:14.520
of my favorites so that's pretty much my
0:46:12.160,0:46:15.800
sequence one thing about my sequence
0:46:14.520,0:46:17.960
this time of year I'm actually will
0:46:15.800,0:46:20.280
actually run a little bit longer I'll
0:46:17.960,0:46:23.839
usually run about a 20 to 22 minute
0:46:20.280,0:46:25.359
stand this time of year yeah well
0:46:23.839,0:46:28.079
running through that many sounds you
0:46:25.359,0:46:29.800
know it'll put you up there to that
0:46:28.079,0:46:32.400
you know if you're if you're
0:46:29.800,0:46:34.359
doing two three or more minutes on them
0:46:32.400,0:46:37.200
it don't take long to hit that 20 minute
0:46:34.359,0:46:39.119
Mark and and 20 minutes to me is I would
0:46:37.200,0:46:40.760
call that a probably an average stand
0:46:39.119,0:46:42.480
for me most of the time A lot of times
0:46:40.760,0:46:44.480
they end quicker than that because you
0:46:42.480,0:46:48.040
put a c called up and you feel like
0:46:44.480,0:46:52.640
stand may be dumb but that's a I think
0:46:48.040,0:46:54.240
20 minutes is is a good time frame you
0:46:52.640,0:46:56.559
know to give you a chance to run through
0:46:54.240,0:46:59.280
multiple triggers and and hopefully get
0:46:56.559,0:47:00.839
those go called up yeah that's that's
0:46:59.280,0:47:02.839
another thing I have people ask all the
0:47:00.839,0:47:04.200
time how long I stay on stand and and
0:47:02.839,0:47:08.319
there's times a year when it's really
0:47:04.200,0:47:09.800
short and uh that's probably a bad habit
0:47:08.319,0:47:12.119
you know there's sometimes I ain't
0:47:09.800,0:47:14.680
sitting there 12 minutes and 12 to 15
0:47:12.119,0:47:16.720
minutes and there's probably often times
0:47:14.680,0:47:18.280
that I'm walking away from cows and
0:47:16.720,0:47:19.920
actually I know for a fact I do walk
0:47:18.280,0:47:21.240
away from sometimes cuz there's been
0:47:19.920,0:47:23.599
times when I've been out there picking
0:47:21.240,0:47:26.280
up my x24 and I look up there's a dag on
0:47:23.599,0:47:28.920
coat standing out there then you just
0:47:26.280,0:47:31.079
look like idot you know but so you think
0:47:28.920,0:47:33.319
I'd learn my lesson but I don't know
0:47:31.079,0:47:35.880
well and it makes sense too I mean
0:47:33.319,0:47:38.599
something that that people should keep
0:47:35.880,0:47:40.880
in mind when you go in there to hunt
0:47:38.599,0:47:43.200
especially if it's a if it's a even if
0:47:40.880,0:47:46.119
it's a small family group you're still
0:47:43.200,0:47:49.559
probably talking four or five coats yeah
0:47:46.119,0:47:52.280
in there yeah if it's a big group I
0:47:49.559,0:47:56.400
mean these are extremes but we've called
0:47:52.280,0:48:00.520
in as many as you know 11 multiple times
0:47:56.400,0:48:02.880
eight or nine a couple times 13 one time
0:48:00.520,0:48:06.480
11 and then
0:48:02.880,0:48:10.480
uh St big groups of cows and so when you
0:48:06.480,0:48:12.880
go in there knowing that those cows and
0:48:10.480,0:48:15.200
that's another thing even those pups
0:48:12.880,0:48:18.200
once they get up to this age they're
0:48:15.200,0:48:20.119
usually still pretty tight together but
0:48:18.200,0:48:22.280
you may have one laying over here a 100
0:48:20.119,0:48:26.359
yards from the other one and so when you
0:48:22.280,0:48:27.920
sit down and call if if a pup jumps up
0:48:26.359,0:48:29.800
and comes running in it may have been
0:48:27.920,0:48:32.000
the closest code to you when you sat
0:48:29.800,0:48:34.240
down it jumps up and comes running in or
0:48:32.000,0:48:37.200
adult or whatever it is you still have
0:48:34.240,0:48:39.559
the opportunity to to keep calling just
0:48:37.200,0:48:42.119
go right back to it and and that
0:48:39.559,0:48:44.839
actually gets better as the summer
0:48:42.119,0:48:47.119
progresses and family bust up gets and
0:48:44.839,0:48:50.559
you get more space between those family
0:48:47.119,0:48:52.920
members you can turn you can turn one
0:48:50.559,0:48:54.040
stand into multiple kills pretty easy
0:48:52.920,0:48:55.920
and I'm not talking about calling in
0:48:54.040,0:48:58.520
three goats and killing a triple at once
0:48:55.920,0:49:00.920
I'm talking killing a triple but but it
0:48:58.520,0:49:03.079
be you know spaced out where they
0:49:00.920,0:49:04.799
they're coming in as singles that's the
0:49:03.079,0:49:07.480
best kind of that's the best kind those
0:49:04.799,0:49:09.760
are EAS a lot easier to handle yeah they
0:49:07.480,0:49:11.280
are they are and I think a lot of people
0:49:09.760,0:49:13.280
make the mistake of shooting and
0:49:11.280,0:49:15.079
thinking it's all over with and right
0:49:13.280,0:49:16.839
and not going ahead and calling out that
0:49:15.079,0:49:20.319
stand because a lot of times you can
0:49:16.839,0:49:22.359
pick up more CS if you want to well it's
0:49:20.319,0:49:24.119
you know I haven't called a tremendous
0:49:22.359,0:49:26.599
amount here over the last couple weeks
0:49:24.119,0:49:29.040
but when I've went we've killed Couts uh
0:49:26.599,0:49:31.559
and and just last week I killed a is a
0:49:29.040,0:49:33.720
fun awesome double it's on the fox Pro
0:49:31.559,0:49:36.200
innc YouTube channel if you all go watch
0:49:33.720,0:49:38.400
it but um killed a double and it
0:49:36.200,0:49:40.680
happened quick I mean within just
0:49:38.400,0:49:43.000
minutes couple minutes and actually the
0:49:40.680,0:49:47.480
very first C that I killed great big old
0:49:43.000,0:49:50.280
M cout um I hit camir lonely house and
0:49:47.480,0:49:51.599
halfway through that how about 3/4 way
0:49:50.280,0:49:53.599
through that how they actually start
0:49:51.599,0:49:56.720
cutting it off I mean I set up right on
0:49:53.599,0:49:59.440
top of I was set up within probably 200
0:49:56.720,0:50:01.559
50 300 yard from them probably 250 yards
0:49:59.440,0:50:03.960
and man they were mad and I could tell
0:50:01.559,0:50:05.599
they were mad and I shut the call off
0:50:03.960,0:50:07.319
you know stopped my I let it run all the
0:50:05.599,0:50:09.799
way through at the end of you know camir
0:50:07.319,0:50:12.079
lonely's little Cadence or sequence
0:50:09.799,0:50:13.960
there and hit mute and I was kind of
0:50:12.079,0:50:16.040
resituating myself cuz it was kind of
0:50:13.960,0:50:17.880
off to my left a little bit hard left
0:50:16.040,0:50:21.119
where I needed to rearrange myself a
0:50:17.880,0:50:23.960
little and about the time I got reset up
0:50:21.119,0:50:26.720
which is just seconds just seconds here
0:50:23.960,0:50:30.280
that sucker's coming and he's not just
0:50:26.720,0:50:32.880
Trot and he is flying in so I get the
0:50:30.280,0:50:34.680
camera you know I'm just by myself I get
0:50:32.880,0:50:36.559
everything sunk in there and get him
0:50:34.680,0:50:39.319
killed I was like man you know I'm
0:50:36.559,0:50:43.400
talking about he's dead 30 seconds after
0:50:39.319,0:50:45.880
or less 20 seconds after uh camir lonely
0:50:43.400,0:50:47.720
is done playing and that was from 250
0:50:45.880,0:50:51.640
yards away and I shoot the thing at like
0:50:47.720,0:50:54.079
60 steps so anyway I said well there got
0:50:51.640,0:50:56.000
to be at least another Coy in there so I
0:50:54.079,0:50:58.720
went right in the broke pups you know
0:50:56.000,0:51:01.240
why not here comes a female running out
0:50:58.720,0:51:04.240
and shoot her within four step three
0:51:01.240,0:51:05.799
steps of the big male well here I am
0:51:04.240,0:51:07.599
just two and a half minutes into the
0:51:05.799,0:51:09.400
stand probably and I've already got two
0:51:07.599,0:51:11.000
coyotes laying on the ground so of
0:51:09.400,0:51:12.079
course I'm thinking just like what you
0:51:11.000,0:51:14.000
talking about calling in these big
0:51:12.079,0:51:16.599
groups said man there's got to be at
0:51:14.000,0:51:18.559
least a helper in there right so I ended
0:51:16.599,0:51:20.960
up sitting there on stand for probably
0:51:18.559,0:51:23.480
18 or 20 minutes but never did call
0:51:20.960,0:51:26.079
another coyote out I don't know if maybe
0:51:23.480,0:51:29.079
I bumped a coyote on the way in or maybe
0:51:26.079,0:51:31.200
all that scared other CS back or maybe
0:51:29.079,0:51:33.720
it was just a mom and dad with a denner
0:51:31.200,0:51:36.040
pups in there I don't know but you just
0:51:33.720,0:51:38.720
never know and some of them that's
0:51:36.040,0:51:40.880
another thing I mean I know you get the
0:51:38.720,0:51:42.720
messages all the time about coats you
0:51:40.880,0:51:45.319
know I know there was a coat there I
0:51:42.720,0:51:47.680
know whatever and I could I just cannot
0:51:45.319,0:51:50.640
get that c to come some CS are just not
0:51:47.680,0:51:54.400
gonna come to the call sometimes so it's
0:51:50.640,0:51:56.559
you know but you're way better off
0:51:54.400,0:51:58.680
spending that extra 5 10 minutes with
0:51:56.559,0:52:01.079
whatever you spend on that stand and try
0:51:58.680,0:52:03.880
because a lot of times you do get that
0:52:01.079,0:52:07.440
helper Co or you do get you know other
0:52:03.880,0:52:09.599
CS to show up and uh so usually
0:52:07.440,0:52:12.799
especially this time of the year it's
0:52:09.599,0:52:15.559
worth making that you know that extra
0:52:12.799,0:52:17.119
few minutes stand yeah to to try to
0:52:15.559,0:52:20.720
because because it does pay off a lot of
0:52:17.119,0:52:22.319
times yep yep no that's great stuff Tor
0:52:20.720,0:52:23.760
um actually been on here longer than I
0:52:22.319,0:52:26.280
expected it was going to be for this
0:52:23.760,0:52:27.680
episode been on here for probably 50
0:52:26.280,0:52:30.400
minutes answer better but I've got like
0:52:27.680,0:52:32.280
three questions I was wanting to ask you
0:52:30.400,0:52:34.680
U and you don't have to spend much time
0:52:32.280,0:52:36.640
on them it can be yes or no or two or
0:52:34.680,0:52:37.920
three lines or whatever just you know I
0:52:36.640,0:52:41.119
don't I know you was sitting at there
0:52:37.920,0:52:44.480
baking in that heat down in Arkansas so
0:52:41.119,0:52:47.240
um the good thing I'm in it every day
0:52:44.480,0:52:50.480
so usually I'm running a chainsaw in it
0:52:47.240,0:52:51.760
trying to clean up so sitting here
0:52:50.480,0:52:53.960
talking to you is actually pretty
0:52:51.760,0:52:55.520
comfortable taking a break well let me
0:52:53.960,0:52:59.319
me ask you this here and you've already
0:52:55.520,0:53:01.119
talked about this ear and U we all all
0:52:59.319,0:53:02.839
know this can be extremely effective and
0:53:01.119,0:53:05.240
I really think this is like the best
0:53:02.839,0:53:06.640
time for this uh how effective is
0:53:05.240,0:53:07.920
locating this time of year you was
0:53:06.640,0:53:09.680
already talking about you guys are going
0:53:07.920,0:53:12.480
to be hunting located coow so it ought
0:53:09.680,0:53:15.440
to tell everybody something I mean I I
0:53:12.480,0:53:17.240
just do not I'm not making a stand
0:53:15.440,0:53:19.799
without locating this time of the year
0:53:17.240,0:53:23.119
and I like to locate year round
0:53:19.799,0:53:25.559
because of the odds that it gives me it
0:53:23.119,0:53:26.960
just puts everything in my favor I I
0:53:25.559,0:53:29.720
waste no ST
0:53:26.960,0:53:32.720
and most of the time I mean there are
0:53:29.720,0:53:35.480
days when I hunt located coats that my
0:53:32.720,0:53:38.160
stands are 100% you know I call up coats
0:53:35.480,0:53:41.880
on every sand on located coats this time
0:53:38.160,0:53:43.440
step you're a step ah right and you just
0:53:41.880,0:53:45.160
you know everything you know where the
0:53:43.440,0:53:47.040
coats are at you know what the winds do
0:53:45.160,0:53:49.160
and you you can get the lay of the land
0:53:47.040,0:53:52.200
there's there's so much that you can put
0:53:49.160,0:53:54.240
in your favor number one being that you
0:53:52.200,0:53:56.480
know where the coats are at and the
0:53:54.240,0:53:58.920
proximity that you are from the coat
0:53:56.480,0:54:01.920
coats which is such a huge factor in
0:53:58.920,0:54:04.920
calling coats this time of the year and
0:54:01.920,0:54:08.359
for the guys that say locating as a
0:54:04.920,0:54:10.559
waste of time and they just blind call
0:54:08.359,0:54:12.720
well is it really or is that just an
0:54:10.559,0:54:14.240
excuse for laziness because if you go if
0:54:12.720,0:54:16.680
you're GNA make blind
0:54:14.240,0:54:18.880
STS if you go out and locate and you
0:54:16.680,0:54:20.720
don't find any coats you didn't hear any
0:54:18.880,0:54:22.200
coats you didn't locate any coats well
0:54:20.720,0:54:24.000
yeah you make can say that that was
0:54:22.200,0:54:26.720
wasted time but it didn't change your
0:54:24.000,0:54:28.319
mour of making blind stance right if you
0:54:26.720,0:54:29.960
go out and you try to I mean you're
0:54:28.319,0:54:33.240
still going out making them same blind
0:54:29.960,0:54:36.240
St so the time spent locating didn't
0:54:33.240,0:54:39.119
hurt you you can still make blind stands
0:54:36.240,0:54:43.040
yep but if you go out and spend just a
0:54:39.119,0:54:46.119
little bit of time get up off the couch
0:54:43.040,0:54:47.960
and go out there and find you some coats
0:54:46.119,0:54:50.520
and know exactly where they're at put
0:54:47.960,0:54:53.839
all of that stuff in your favor then
0:54:50.520,0:54:57.280
every time you make a
0:54:53.839,0:54:58.559
stand the odds are just way higher than
0:54:57.280,0:55:00.559
if you're just going out there making
0:54:58.559,0:55:03.119
blind stands
0:55:00.559,0:55:05.520
so you know and like I said if they're
0:55:03.119,0:55:07.799
not howling very good and you didn't
0:55:05.520,0:55:09.359
hear any you can still make blind stands
0:55:07.799,0:55:11.359
the next morning didn't change a thing
0:55:09.359,0:55:13.040
that's right but if you locate them it
0:55:11.359,0:55:16.440
could it could make the difference in
0:55:13.040,0:55:18.480
you making blank blind stands versus
0:55:16.440,0:55:21.280
highly
0:55:18.480,0:55:24.240
successful real high odds on located
0:55:21.280,0:55:25.960
coats yeah so I I think it's a I just
0:55:24.240,0:55:27.640
don't especially this time of the year I
0:55:25.960,0:55:30.359
will make blind stands you know in the
0:55:27.640,0:55:32.000
winter time and in places where the cow
0:55:30.359,0:55:33.920
population's high and I know that
0:55:32.000,0:55:35.760
there's you know there are times that
0:55:33.920,0:55:38.000
locating is is
0:55:35.760,0:55:40.559
necessary I definitely agree with that
0:55:38.000,0:55:43.079
there are times it's not necessary but
0:55:40.559,0:55:44.960
it never hurts you never hurt you
0:55:43.079,0:55:47.599
located yep and this is one of the best
0:55:44.960,0:55:51.200
time frames to be doing it for most
0:55:47.599,0:55:52.440
absolutely absolutely um transition into
0:55:51.200,0:55:55.440
the next question here I was wanting to
0:55:52.440,0:55:57.200
ask and this this is one of the one of
0:55:55.440,0:56:00.000
the big reason one of the good reasons
0:55:57.200,0:56:03.480
to be locating this time of year is how
0:56:00.000,0:56:05.839
can extreme heat impact calling success
0:56:03.480,0:56:09.599
and reason I kind of lump it in there is
0:56:05.839,0:56:12.440
hey man even like 92 out here today and
0:56:09.599,0:56:14.880
high humidity I've been hot so I don't
0:56:12.440,0:56:17.119
want to waste no more time outside than
0:56:14.880,0:56:19.160
I have to so this kind of goes right
0:56:17.119,0:56:21.119
along with with locating if I got
0:56:19.160,0:56:22.440
located coou I know exactly where to go
0:56:21.119,0:56:25.079
we don't have to waste too much time out
0:56:22.440,0:56:27.359
here in this summer heat but can extreme
0:56:25.079,0:56:29.480
heat here in the summer month impact
0:56:27.359,0:56:33.359
calling
0:56:29.480,0:56:36.119
success I I think that it can impact C
0:56:33.359,0:56:38.319
activity which I think you can still
0:56:36.119,0:56:41.000
call those CS up and where locating
0:56:38.319,0:56:43.760
comes in and really helps you out is it
0:56:41.000,0:56:45.160
can give away those cooler those places
0:56:43.760,0:56:46.520
and you've talked about this a bunch of
0:56:45.160,0:56:48.720
times I've heard you mention it a bunch
0:56:46.520,0:56:51.440
of times when you figure out where those
0:56:48.720,0:56:53.359
CS are laid up at In the Heat of the day
0:56:51.440,0:56:56.720
the heat definitely reduces their
0:56:53.359,0:56:58.799
activity I I witnessed this with uh
0:56:56.720,0:57:00.160
that's typically what they're doing
0:56:58.799,0:57:02.200
during the middle of the day both the
0:57:00.160,0:57:05.280
pups and the adults are laid up
0:57:02.200,0:57:07.200
somewhere and the hotter it is the
0:57:05.280,0:57:10.160
earlier they lay up and the longer they
0:57:07.200,0:57:12.079
stay laid up so definitely affects them
0:57:10.160,0:57:14.280
reduces their activity especially during
0:57:12.079,0:57:17.079
daytime hours but if you've got them
0:57:14.280,0:57:19.880
located and you know where those cooler
0:57:17.079,0:57:22.200
spots are that they're favoring and you
0:57:19.880,0:57:24.319
can move right in there on them but if
0:57:22.200,0:57:27.079
you get close to them it doesn't matter
0:57:24.319,0:57:29.559
how hot it is they'll still run over the
0:57:27.079,0:57:32.760
call but it definitely does reduce their
0:57:29.559,0:57:35.440
their activity and makes you put a
0:57:32.760,0:57:36.880
little more effort into getting close to
0:57:35.440,0:57:39.359
them getting into those places that
0:57:36.880,0:57:42.480
they're laid up beded up you know trying
0:57:39.359,0:57:45.280
to stay cool and uh you know locating
0:57:42.480,0:57:46.799
plays a big role in that because you
0:57:45.280,0:57:48.880
know where that's at you slip in there
0:57:46.799,0:57:51.039
right on top of them even though they
0:57:48.880,0:57:53.319
may be sweating they'll have to come Pi
0:57:51.039,0:57:55.559
that's right yeah so proximity Is key
0:57:53.319,0:57:58.359
extreme heat they still got a Kyle still
0:57:55.559,0:58:01.319
got to be out no matter if it's if it's
0:57:58.359,0:58:03.319
47 or 107 if you get close enough to
0:58:01.319,0:58:05.000
them play the right sounds they cannot
0:58:03.319,0:58:07.640
stand it they will have to come check
0:58:05.000,0:58:09.799
things out one last question here we
0:58:07.640,0:58:11.799
know you love the summer months uh Tory
0:58:09.799,0:58:13.400
we know you love hunting these you know
0:58:11.799,0:58:14.920
super vocal coyotes and you're goingon
0:58:13.400,0:58:16.920
to get any these vocal coyot right now
0:58:14.920,0:58:20.359
is the time of year to do it where does
0:58:16.920,0:58:23.079
July rank for Tory cook for calling is
0:58:20.359,0:58:26.760
this one of your favorite months to hunt
0:58:23.079,0:58:29.319
ju I would say that July is right there
0:58:26.760,0:58:32.119
that's getting right there into that
0:58:29.319,0:58:34.720
Peak it used to be my favorite month
0:58:32.119,0:58:38.160
July used to be my favorite month I've
0:58:34.720,0:58:39.079
got to where it's kind of the start of
0:58:38.160,0:58:42.440
one of
0:58:39.079,0:58:44.720
my favorite months because I really got
0:58:42.440,0:58:49.480
to where I like that family bust up time
0:58:44.720,0:58:52.240
frame learn but July is July is prime
0:58:49.480,0:58:55.240
time uh for those hard
0:58:52.240,0:58:58.440
charging vocal re the Cs are probably
0:58:55.240,0:59:01.240
more vocal you know this late June
0:58:58.440,0:59:03.280
through early August with July being
0:59:01.240,0:59:04.599
right there in the middle peak time
0:59:03.280,0:59:06.839
that's when you can get some of your
0:59:04.599,0:59:10.280
very best daytime vocal action and some
0:59:06.839,0:59:13.640
of your very best hard charging
0:59:10.280,0:59:15.640
aggressive Co call-ups and of course
0:59:13.640,0:59:19.720
people see the decoy dog stuff just
0:59:15.640,0:59:22.000
prime time for aggressive C action can't
0:59:19.720,0:59:23.920
beat it hey that just that just goes to
0:59:22.000,0:59:27.079
tell you guys if you think it's too hot
0:59:23.920,0:59:30.200
to go call Cs and you ain't going hunt
0:59:27.079,0:59:32.280
July you missing out you missing out on
0:59:30.200,0:59:33.839
some fun fast-paced action that's for
0:59:32.280,0:59:36.760
sure Tor you want to leave us with
0:59:33.839,0:59:38.480
anything before we jump off here just
0:59:36.760,0:59:42.119
usual I mean appreciate everybody
0:59:38.480,0:59:45.039
listening and using Fox Pro mfk and
0:59:42.119,0:59:47.640
that's it hope y'all kill a bunch of Cs
0:59:45.039,0:59:50.000
this summer and we'll talk to y'all
0:59:47.640,0:59:51.799
later all right we hope everyone enjoyed
0:59:50.000,0:59:55.920
this episode we hope you join us again
0:59:51.799,0:59:55.920
right here on the fox Pro podcast