FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Corey Groff go over numerous reasons why you are not calling coyotes.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast I'm John
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Collins and today we're going to cover
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one of our most frequently asked
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questions why am I not calling Couts
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I've got Fox Pro staffer Corey gra
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joining me on this episode how's it
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going Corey oh it's going pretty well
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how you doing John doing well just got
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back from uh Montana was out there
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hunting with Levi Johnson I don't know
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if anybody's familiar with him but you
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know he's got the got the TV show
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dogging with Levi he's got some of the
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best decoy dogs I've ever hunted with I
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really like the style the dogs love the
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dogs temperament and uh pretty good KY
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Colin had a had a pretty fun trip yeah
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it looked like it was a real successful
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trip I followed you there on on social
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media watch watching you guys post on
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stacking up KY looked like it was a real
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good time Levi looks he's a real nice
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guy oh he's a he's a character I tell
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you that he's he's a good time to be
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around and it's absolutely beautiful
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country I will say it was it was bad hot
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um if you seen the post you will see
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that we were wearing long sleeve shirts
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and stuff like that but it wasn't
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because it was cold it's because it's
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the buggiest place I've ever been to in
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my life I guess they must have 90% of
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the world's population of mosquitoes cuz
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they they'll suck a quart of blood out
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of you with them 5 seconds it's crazy
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but now the coyotes called pretty good
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we did have a few dry stands um we I
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wouldn't call them dry stands We call we
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call coyotes that we didn't didn't get
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killed we had some of them that crossed
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down Circle down wind on us too soon
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before we could get the dogs on them or
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or get a shot on them and uh it was one
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of those deals where I know you
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experienced this a lot in your part of
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the country Missouri there we didn't
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have any wind the first day and a half
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and what was happening the wind was just
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floating around every direction swirling
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you know you could barely feel it but
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it's just like it was getting it was
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getting sucked Every Which every
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direction down these little draws and
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every little
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anyway that caused us some problems but
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when we finally got a constant win we
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did pretty good I mean I think we filmed
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five singles and one triple and that
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triple is is going to be a good I can't
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wait to show it to
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everybody I can't wait to see it sounds
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like you guys had a great time
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well let's go ahead and get to our uh
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get to our topic at hand you know
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there's there's several reasons why you
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not you know you might not be calling KS
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you know and that's this is one of the
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uh most frequently asked questions we
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get you know it doesn't matter if it's
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messaged into the Facebook group you see
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it on mfk Facebook group a lot that
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we're all members of it comes into our
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Facebook page I get it on my messenger I
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know you probably get it on your m
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messenger uh just go to the shows this
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comes up it's like you know I know I've
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got coyotes and this I keep making
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stands I do this I do that but man why
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am I not calling any coyotes you know
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making dry stands can be frustrating and
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you know Cory you know how it is whether
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anybody admits it or not we all make dry
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STS ain't that right oh absolutely
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absolutely you know we don't we don't
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talk about that enough probably you know
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uh how we do make dry stands often but
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you know it happen and there's a lot and
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there's a lot of variables why it happen
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so yeah no no doubt you know it's just
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it's just part of coyote hunting if
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you're going to make coyote stands
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you're going to make dry stands and U
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you know you fight through those dry
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stands uh just to get to the stands like
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I had a couple days ago where we killed
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a triple you know we made a few dry
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stands and we started killing a single
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or two then all a sudden boom one of
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those you know stands that KY Hunters
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pretty much live for you might say MH
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had a quad come running in and after the
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smoke cleared we had three of the four
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laying on the ground so you got to fight
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through some of those dry stands to get
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get to those good ones but but often
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times there is reasons why you've made a
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dry stand and on this episode we're
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going to discuss those reasons and the
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first one here's number one well they're
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not really in any kind of order but the
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first one we're going to discuss is
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there might not be coyotes within
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earshot of when you're making your stand
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you can't call a coyote where there are
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no coyotes what you think about that cor
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right oh that's absolutely true uh you
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know especially this time of year you
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know KS don't move around a whole lot
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because they're raring pups so you got
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to get in close to them KS or you know
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close enough to where the coyes can can
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hear you know what what you're trying to
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put out to them yep that's right I mean
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um we get people you know I know there's
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coyotes there I see I see coyot sign all
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the time or I get trail camera pictures
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and you know it might be one of those
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deals where they're just in a state
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where they can just daytime hunt or they
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don't have the equipment to night hunt
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and you know I when are you getting your
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Trail camp pictures well I'm getting
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them at 2:00 in the
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morning well it's pretty good chance
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that that Coy doesn't live on the
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property that you have permission to
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hunt on you know when it comes to those
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daytime hours when you're able to go
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hunt that KY might be you know he might
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be four Farms away four property away
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you just don't know and and if he can't
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hear you he can't come to the call right
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that's that's exactly right yeah and and
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it could be a case where you're limited
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on on ground you know you might you
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might see that Coy on that trail camera
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where you know it you're you're close to
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a property line and you may not be able
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to get close to where that Coy's at you
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know where he's holding up in the
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daytime so there's a there's another
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thing that you might have to go out and
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seek that property that that Cy might be
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holding up on that's exactly right and U
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another another factor that could come
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into play right on the same lines here
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and we've talked about this before on
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past podcast is you know you could have
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coyotes that that are living on your
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property say especially this time of
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year when they are rearing pups or
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earlier when they actually got pups in
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the ground you know they're going to
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stay you know kind of come back to the
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same core area every single day to to
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bed up and spend the daylight hours you
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know if if you know you got coyotes in
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there and you say you've got them
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located um it is possible that you make
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that stand too early you know you say
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man I'm going to be right in there at
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first light I'm going to be up there you
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know 30 minutes before Sunrise soon as I
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can see I'm going to pour it to them
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soon as I get legal light well guess
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what those those adult coyotes might not
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be back to their home yet what I mean is
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they might still be out there somewhere
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hunting and could be a property to away
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and you made that stand too early and
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they couldn't hear you and you know it
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it's one of those deals where you could
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have waited an hour went in there at U
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midm morning you know 9:00 in the
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morning and went and made that stand and
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uh you know killed that coyote or
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coyotes within just a couple minutes and
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you could have bumped them out while you
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were walking in in the dark that's
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exactly right it's exactly
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right you got anything else you want to
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say about that Cory about that about
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that subject you know there might not be
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coow within earshot of when you're
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making your stand you got anything else
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to add to that
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uh not not really John I mean that's
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pretty straightforward to the point
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there um just it's probably going to
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lead us to our next uh you know key
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topic here is proximity that's exactly
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right proximity you know simply put you
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might not be close enough to your cows
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they'll only come so far so you got
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anything you want to talk about there
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Cory yeah you know uh it you know you
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kind of take a a standard on your rle
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book you know um not all coyotes are
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aggressive you know so most coyotes
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aren't going to come from a long ways
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away so you what do you got to do you
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got to move in closer to them coyotes
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but you got transient coyotes that will
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move you
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know a far location here in this town
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but a lot of kyotes aren't really that
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aggressive are they John no I mean you
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know a lot of this has to do with with
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where you hunt time of year you hunt
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stuff like that you know here in
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Kentucky they're fairly aggressive
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especially the fight sounds and stuff
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like that the Midwestern states you know
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I've seen them come good to fight stuff
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and come aggressively here in Kansas and
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Missouri but I've also been you know on
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coyotes in the same states that don't
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come aggressively and I seems like I've
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noticed down in the south West like Yun
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Arizona seems like those KY don't like
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fights and stuff like that as much they
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might come a little harder to pray
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distress sounds and stuff like that but
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yeah not that's a that's a great point
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and it's not just fight sounds that can
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becoming aggressive to any type of sound
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right y but you know knowing that kyes
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are in that certain area you know uh in
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that proximity what you know as a hunter
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what are you going to do you're going to
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you need you need to find you know
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locations where there's tracks there's
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scat if you're not calling cows from a
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certain area move in a little bit closer
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you know it just because you called that
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doesn't mean you blew that coow out of
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there from you know a thousand yards
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away so cut that distance in half get a
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little bit closer to them yep no doubt
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and and this all depends on the area you
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hunt too a lot it's like if you hunt one
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of these Western States and these big uh
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Sage Brush flats and this high that high
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desert country and that stuff like that
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where you can see for Miles um those
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cows do come a long ways um you know
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I've I've been out in those States like
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Wyoming and up in Montana and a few
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other states out there where New Mexico
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where you can see a DOT or two or three
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little dots out there just like as far
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as you can see and you start looking
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through your binoculars and it's like a
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mile away there's coachs just Trucking
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it right to your location and they end
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up coming right up there with the right
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on top of the call uh but you're not
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going to have that when you come back to
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the Midwest and to the east it seems
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like the further west you are and this
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is you know this is not in all scenarios
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but it seems like the further west you
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are the further the coyotes will will
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come you know they'll come from further
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away you come to the Midwest that that
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that range shortens up a little bit and
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then the closer you get to the East it
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just keeps getting shorter and shorter
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and shorter you know here in these
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Kentucky Tennessee type type States it's
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got a lot of broken Farm ground a lot of
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Timber and stuff like that a lot of
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times these coyotes won't come from no
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further than 500 yards away or sometimes
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even less right exactly yep and I'm sure
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that depends on you know KY numbers the
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density that you have you know because
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of the terrain but you know you get out
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further west I'm sure the Cy numbers
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aren't as dense as say you know maybe in
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your area right yeah you know so that's
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a great point you know every area of
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every state you know all the way across
0:11:30.560,0:11:35.959
the country has varying you know
0:11:33.000,0:11:38.240
populations of Couts and population
0:11:35.959,0:11:41.839
density so all that stuff comes comes
0:11:38.240,0:11:44.720
into play you know and it uh it can be
0:11:41.839,0:11:46.200
it can be tough to deal with you know it
0:11:44.720,0:11:47.880
seems like cows will come from further
0:11:46.200,0:11:50.959
away in the fall and winter months you
0:11:47.880,0:11:52.560
know especially the winter months um but
0:11:50.959,0:11:54.120
when it comes this time of year you know
0:11:52.560,0:11:56.720
especially if it's like a dinting and
0:11:54.120,0:11:58.440
pupping time frame there's only so far
0:11:56.720,0:12:00.680
they're going to get away from that
0:11:58.440,0:12:02.240
they're their yearand from their pup
0:12:00.680,0:12:04.880
especially when it's Denning season when
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them pups are tiny tiny their range
0:12:04.880,0:12:10.079
isn't huge so it's very possible that
0:12:07.519,0:12:10.959
you don't set up close enough to them
0:12:10.079,0:12:13.800
yep
0:12:10.959,0:12:15.680
exactly I agree with that got anything
0:12:13.800,0:12:17.760
else you want to add to
0:12:15.680,0:12:21.600
proximity my next question is gonna kind
0:12:17.760,0:12:21.600
of flow right in with this one too
0:12:22.320,0:12:28.160
so that that one and and I'll go ahead
0:12:26.360,0:12:30.240
and put it out there and you can you can
0:12:28.160,0:12:32.240
speak if you got anything on proximity
0:12:30.240,0:12:33.760
you can say it but this right here might
0:12:32.240,0:12:36.720
might give you another idea or two to
0:12:33.760,0:12:41.040
talk to but the next one is some stand
0:12:36.720,0:12:43.040
locations just just don't work and uh
0:12:41.040,0:12:46.000
what I mean by that that can have to do
0:12:43.040,0:12:47.839
with proximity you know I've got um
0:12:46.000,0:12:49.320
there's some like say you get a new
0:12:47.839,0:12:51.760
property or you you've had a property
0:12:49.320,0:12:54.760
for a long time and you you have this
0:12:51.760,0:12:56.360
perfect stand location what you think is
0:12:54.760,0:12:58.440
a perfect stand location you just don't
0:12:56.360,0:13:00.279
never call in coyotes on it you're like
0:12:58.440,0:13:02.760
man this is just crazy I know the
0:13:00.279,0:13:05.000
coyotes are here the landowner says he
0:13:02.760,0:13:06.639
sees them during the day or he sees them
0:13:05.000,0:13:08.120
you know whenever or hears them at night
0:13:06.639,0:13:10.839
and I'm hunting at night but this stand
0:13:08.120,0:13:13.079
is just not working I cannot call a Coy
0:13:10.839,0:13:16.360
well there's a one stand just right down
0:13:13.079,0:13:18.720
the road here um about 10 minutes away
0:13:16.360,0:13:21.560
that you know same situation farmer
0:13:18.720,0:13:24.160
would see them all the time um they Liv
0:13:21.560,0:13:26.000
there and it had this perfect little
0:13:24.160,0:13:28.720
rise in this Hayfield that had a little
0:13:26.000,0:13:30.760
cluster of uh of locust trees in it
0:13:28.720,0:13:32.760
perfect place to set up they would line
0:13:30.760,0:13:34.160
hay bells up there on one side of it I
0:13:32.760,0:13:36.519
mean just a perfect place to set up
0:13:34.160,0:13:40.040
there and be hid you call there was a
0:13:36.519,0:13:43.440
Thicket that wasn't 350 yards away you
0:13:40.040,0:13:45.760
know sounds like money right you know I
0:13:43.440,0:13:47.519
made that stand oown hamy times probably
0:13:45.760,0:13:49.160
close to a dozen times and never called
0:13:47.519,0:13:51.279
a Coy just kept trying it cuz the
0:13:49.160,0:13:54.880
landowner said he kept see always seeing
0:13:51.279,0:13:57.560
coyotes it just never would work well
0:13:54.880,0:14:00.600
about 150 yards away from that little
0:13:57.560,0:14:02.079
patch of locust trees was a Ro up Pond
0:14:00.600,0:14:03.440
and one day coming in there I got up
0:14:02.079,0:14:04.880
there I was getting set up up there the
0:14:03.440,0:14:06.360
locust trees and I looked over at that
0:14:04.880,0:14:07.680
pond I said you know what I'm going to
0:14:06.360,0:14:09.240
try something different cuz this right
0:14:07.680,0:14:11.720
here ain't working I'm going to go try
0:14:09.240,0:14:15.079
it by that pond what happened was I went
0:14:11.720,0:14:17.279
150 yards closer to that Thicket as well
0:14:15.079,0:14:20.240
when I got to that 150 yards away where
0:14:17.279,0:14:23.240
that pond was set up at that pond and
0:14:20.240,0:14:24.720
dude it wasn't two minutes this is a
0:14:23.240,0:14:27.040
first time I ever made that stand had
0:14:24.720,0:14:30.079
three coyotes come rolling in killed two
0:14:27.040,0:14:32.240
of the three and and I've been making a
0:14:30.079,0:14:34.000
stand from that location ever since and
0:14:32.240,0:14:37.360
it's turned into one of those I wouldn't
0:14:34.000,0:14:39.680
call 100% stand but dude I'm I'm calling
0:14:37.360,0:14:41.639
coyotes there more times than I'm not
0:14:39.680,0:14:45.199
when I go call that stand location and
0:14:41.639,0:14:46.720
all it took it was it was moving 150
0:14:45.199,0:14:49.880
yards why they wouldn't come in that
0:14:46.720,0:14:51.160
other other spot I have no idea it was
0:14:49.880,0:14:53.079
actually calling them into the same
0:14:51.160,0:14:55.920
field into the same ha field but it was
0:14:53.079,0:14:58.000
just a matter of moving 150 yards that
0:14:55.920,0:15:00.720
made that property work just changing
0:14:58.000,0:15:03.040
stand locations by 150
0:15:00.720,0:15:04.880
yards and I've been I've done the same
0:15:03.040,0:15:07.600
thing you get into spots where you think
0:15:04.880,0:15:10.320
oh this this money it looks good laid
0:15:07.600,0:15:12.199
out right got the wind perfect but
0:15:10.320,0:15:14.199
there's something in them stands just
0:15:12.199,0:15:17.279
like you said that them coyes don't feel
0:15:14.199,0:15:18.920
comfortable of doing and I've got stands
0:15:17.279,0:15:21.480
that that don't look like they're going
0:15:18.920,0:15:23.720
to be much and produce right and then
0:15:21.480,0:15:26.000
I've got stands that look like they're
0:15:23.720,0:15:28.319
like I said like their money and you
0:15:26.000,0:15:30.800
never call a ky there and it's funny you
0:15:28.319,0:15:32.319
said you know you you gave that scenario
0:15:30.800,0:15:36.040
because I actually did that about a
0:15:32.319,0:15:39.720
month ago I've hunted one area over here
0:15:36.040,0:15:43.600
uh west of my house about 15 miles I've
0:15:39.720,0:15:46.759
hunted this farm for 20 plus years and
0:15:43.600,0:15:48.759
over the last three or four years I've
0:15:46.759,0:15:51.880
struggled in one location that I've
0:15:48.759,0:15:54.040
always killed coyotes at and Bobcat yeah
0:15:51.880,0:15:55.440
but we're not talking about bobcats
0:15:54.040,0:15:58.639
right now we're talking about kyes and I
0:15:55.440,0:16:01.079
know they're there uh but the last three
0:15:58.639,0:16:04.319
or four years my numbers had just really
0:16:01.079,0:16:06.519
went down on this certain stand so about
0:16:04.319,0:16:09.880
a month ago I had a little bit of
0:16:06.519,0:16:12.600
different wi went in there and it just I
0:16:09.880,0:16:16.319
actually called this location by
0:16:12.600,0:16:18.319
accident I I I the only reason that I
0:16:16.319,0:16:20.240
decided to call it that day was because
0:16:18.319,0:16:22.959
of the wind was different I'm like well
0:16:20.240,0:16:26.040
I'm G to try it at a different angle and
0:16:22.959,0:16:27.440
this is going to go into uh some of the
0:16:26.040,0:16:30.199
talking points that we've already talked
0:16:27.440,0:16:34.279
about already or actually we're getting
0:16:30.199,0:16:35.600
ready to talk about um I've been John
0:16:34.279,0:16:37.880
I've been sitting there for 20 minutes
0:16:35.600,0:16:40.399
than I thought man the stands got me
0:16:37.880,0:16:43.000
again you know i' I'm not going to call
0:16:40.399,0:16:45.759
anything up and as I was getting ready
0:16:43.000,0:16:49.199
to leave out of the stand I spot a
0:16:45.759,0:16:52.079
coyote right about a thousand yards out
0:16:49.199,0:16:54.639
on another Ridge and threw some sound to
0:16:52.079,0:16:57.880
him I mean that dude come running in
0:16:54.639,0:17:00.040
like he just heard the call you know
0:16:57.880,0:17:02.160
right it was it was one of the craziest
0:17:00.040,0:17:03.519
things you know but uh that's going to
0:17:02.160,0:17:06.120
be one of our talking points here in
0:17:03.519,0:17:09.760
just a minute but get back to the topic
0:17:06.120,0:17:13.240
on hand I tried that location from a
0:17:09.760,0:17:15.319
different angle and produced C yep yep I
0:17:13.240,0:17:17.760
mean just like that it's like you snap
0:17:15.319,0:17:19.439
your fingers and all a sudden it it
0:17:17.760,0:17:23.439
thing started clicking for that it's
0:17:19.439,0:17:25.000
crazy a it yeah it is crazy well just
0:17:23.439,0:17:26.839
like you said that'll lead right in you
0:17:25.000,0:17:28.400
know all these kind of had something
0:17:26.839,0:17:30.360
common you know we talked about they not
0:17:28.400,0:17:32.760
might not cows right there you know
0:17:30.360,0:17:34.080
there might not be cows within earshot
0:17:32.760,0:17:36.480
well that kind of plays right into
0:17:34.080,0:17:38.240
proximity that's what proximity is so
0:17:36.480,0:17:40.200
you know you simply put you might not be
0:17:38.240,0:17:42.240
close enough to your Couts then right
0:17:40.200,0:17:46.240
along with that you know some stand
0:17:42.240,0:17:47.960
locations just don't work um it's it's a
0:17:46.240,0:17:51.360
craziest thing it's just like the stand
0:17:47.960,0:17:53.559
I was talking about I said I moved 150
0:17:51.360,0:17:55.240
yards and it's kind of at a at a angle
0:17:53.559,0:17:57.679
to the thicket where I always thought
0:17:55.240,0:18:00.919
the coy should be at and when I did move
0:17:57.679,0:18:02.880
that 150 yards it wasn't really 150
0:18:00.919,0:18:05.480
yards closer to the thicket it was
0:18:02.880,0:18:07.200
probably 100 to 120 yards closer to the
0:18:05.480,0:18:10.640
thicket cuz it was kind of at an angle
0:18:07.200,0:18:14.080
but just moving that much closer changed
0:18:10.640,0:18:16.760
that just totally changed that stand
0:18:14.080,0:18:18.840
location so you think it was a maybe
0:18:16.760,0:18:23.559
like a k boundary
0:18:18.840,0:18:26.320
issue you know I would U that can happen
0:18:23.559,0:18:29.640
in certain situations but how this place
0:18:26.320,0:18:31.159
laid out you know it could have been and
0:18:29.640,0:18:33.640
you know it's always possible you know I
0:18:31.159,0:18:36.960
don't know for sure and a lot of times
0:18:33.640,0:18:39.640
when it comes to banies it's always um
0:18:36.960,0:18:42.480
sometimes it's not a feature that uh
0:18:39.640,0:18:43.919
that you actually know is there and we
0:18:42.480,0:18:45.320
can go ahead and talk about that CU
0:18:43.919,0:18:48.720
that's one of our things we got wrote
0:18:45.320,0:18:53.640
down of course um is is you might be
0:18:48.720,0:18:55.960
calling too close to a to a boundary of
0:18:53.640,0:19:00.200
a coyot you know and a lot of times you
0:18:55.960,0:19:02.799
know usually if a kyot u goes over their
0:19:00.200,0:19:04.760
territory boundaries usually there's
0:19:02.799,0:19:07.240
there can be a fight that ensues if they
0:19:04.760,0:19:10.679
cross tracks with another Coy and they
0:19:07.240,0:19:12.520
can be very very very leery of that and
0:19:10.679,0:19:15.840
sometimes you know when we talk about
0:19:12.520,0:19:17.799
coyote boundaries often times you can
0:19:15.840,0:19:19.080
pick them out well I shouldn't say you
0:19:17.799,0:19:20.520
can pick them out but a lot of times
0:19:19.080,0:19:23.000
what it ends up being is it'll be a
0:19:20.520,0:19:24.480
fenro or it'll be a DCH line it'll be a
0:19:23.000,0:19:26.799
creek it'll be a river it'll be a
0:19:24.480,0:19:28.520
roadway or whatever it is usually it's
0:19:26.799,0:19:29.960
something visible it's out there and
0:19:28.520,0:19:32.080
sometimes s it could just be out there
0:19:29.960,0:19:34.240
it could be a field you just don't know
0:19:32.080,0:19:37.240
what the actual boundary is but that can
0:19:34.240,0:19:40.120
cause huge issues and if you're if
0:19:37.240,0:19:42.240
you're calling and I've we've run into
0:19:40.120,0:19:44.120
trouble with this you know call that's
0:19:42.240,0:19:46.799
this is a great one you know one reason
0:19:44.120,0:19:50.600
that you might not be calling coyotes is
0:19:46.799,0:19:52.760
you're calling too close to a territory
0:19:50.600,0:19:54.240
boundary if you're right on that
0:19:52.760,0:19:56.280
boundary say if you're calling from some
0:19:54.240,0:19:59.080
grown up fintro you don't know that it's
0:19:56.280,0:20:00.600
a boundary between two cows and you well
0:19:59.080,0:20:02.919
I should be calling coyot from two
0:20:00.600,0:20:04.280
different directions right well
0:20:02.919,0:20:07.720
sometimes they won't get very close to
0:20:04.280,0:20:10.120
those boundaries um there was a a stand
0:20:07.720,0:20:11.559
that comes to mine from from Kansas a
0:20:10.120,0:20:14.159
few years ago it was actually the very
0:20:11.559,0:20:17.120
first time I ever hunted with Mike Dylan
0:20:14.159,0:20:18.080
Mike Mike Dylan and Cody hassinger flew
0:20:17.120,0:20:21.799
into
0:20:18.080,0:20:25.159
witcha and we met up at a location just
0:20:21.799,0:20:28.840
not too far outside of witch to go hunt
0:20:25.159,0:20:31.520
and lucky for me I drove out had all my
0:20:28.840,0:20:34.600
equipment but guess what poor old Mike
0:20:31.520,0:20:37.000
his rifle didn't show up at the airport
0:20:34.600,0:20:38.320
oh boy yeah so John got the hunt the
0:20:37.000,0:20:41.039
first evening
0:20:38.320,0:20:42.679
right well we go set up it's probably
0:20:41.039,0:20:45.320
like our second stand of the trip you
0:20:42.679,0:20:47.600
know it was still plenty of daylight and
0:20:45.320,0:20:49.520
uh that that afternoon and we set up on
0:20:47.600,0:20:52.120
this location had a Thicket up on top of
0:20:49.520,0:20:54.080
the hill it come we were we were on a
0:20:52.120,0:20:55.360
little no on a knob looking downhill
0:20:54.080,0:20:57.559
could look right down in a little ditch
0:20:55.360,0:20:59.720
line it goes right back uphill and on
0:20:57.559,0:21:01.240
top was a was a a Thicket one of those
0:20:59.720,0:21:03.799
dotted thickets you always see out there
0:21:01.240,0:21:06.240
in that Central Kansas stuff well we
0:21:03.799,0:21:08.120
thought there should be coyotes in it we
0:21:06.240,0:21:10.039
have and sure enough there's a pair of
0:21:08.120,0:21:12.760
cows that H back from that little that
0:21:10.039,0:21:14.679
little patch of patch of junk up there
0:21:12.760,0:21:16.600
started playing some pup stuff and here
0:21:14.679,0:21:18.640
they come rolling off the hill I mean
0:21:16.600,0:21:20.279
they're burning down through there well
0:21:18.640,0:21:21.799
the closer they get to that ditch line
0:21:20.279,0:21:24.360
at the bottom of the hill the slower
0:21:21.799,0:21:25.760
they get and like what in the world is
0:21:24.360,0:21:28.880
going on with these coow and they
0:21:25.760,0:21:30.279
finally stop out there at like 4 100
0:21:28.880,0:21:32.760
yards right on the side of that Hill
0:21:30.279,0:21:34.440
that opposite Hillside we're switching
0:21:32.760,0:21:36.360
through sounds switching through sounds
0:21:34.440,0:21:38.919
switching through sounds can't not get
0:21:36.360,0:21:40.880
these Kow to do nothing finally get to
0:21:38.919,0:21:42.760
going into some pretty aggressive fight
0:21:40.880,0:21:44.360
stuff and one of them starts to come a
0:21:42.760,0:21:46.240
little bit closer and you watch him come
0:21:44.360,0:21:47.880
down the hill and ends up getting that
0:21:46.240,0:21:50.200
ditch line as soon as he gets that ditch
0:21:47.880,0:21:52.360
line he just he gets bad nervous he just
0:21:50.200,0:21:55.000
stops and turn around and go goes back
0:21:52.360,0:21:57.200
up the hill maybe 20 steps and just sits
0:21:55.000,0:22:00.440
there and Barks and stuff like that now
0:21:57.200,0:22:02.159
me me tell the rest of story here is our
0:22:00.440,0:22:04.640
wind is perfect we're sitting there with
0:22:02.159,0:22:06.880
a nice cross wind you know they can't
0:22:04.640,0:22:09.279
see us we're Wellhead so these cows are
0:22:06.880,0:22:13.120
not not seeing us and they're not
0:22:09.279,0:22:14.679
smelling us and we get to talk and like
0:22:13.120,0:22:17.159
man those coyes are must have hit a
0:22:14.679,0:22:20.240
boundary they will not cross that ditch
0:22:17.159,0:22:22.400
line long story short we sat there with
0:22:20.240,0:22:24.159
these coyotes in sight for almost 20
0:22:22.400,0:22:26.559
minutes could not get them come across
0:22:24.159,0:22:27.919
that ditch finally decided to throw you
0:22:26.559,0:22:30.559
know lob some bullets in there and I
0:22:27.919,0:22:32.919
think I ended up shooting one at like
0:22:30.559,0:22:35.600
340 and and got the second one stopped
0:22:32.919,0:22:39.000
out there at 370 but long story short
0:22:35.600,0:22:41.200
that ditch line had to be a property or
0:22:39.000,0:22:42.919
had to be a boundary for those coyotes a
0:22:41.200,0:22:45.480
territory boundary and they would not
0:22:42.919,0:22:47.720
cross it and I've seen had a lot of
0:22:45.480,0:22:49.520
people give ask questions about you know
0:22:47.720,0:22:52.000
hey I can only I call coyotes and they
0:22:49.520,0:22:55.120
only come to this one spot and they stop
0:22:52.000,0:22:57.039
and cannot come get them to come past it
0:22:55.120,0:23:00.679
well that's probably a territory
0:22:57.039,0:23:02.440
boundary yeah I agree and and and you're
0:23:00.679,0:23:06.080
right it's something as simple as as
0:23:02.440,0:23:09.039
that uh you know Timber Ed pen Ros
0:23:06.080,0:23:12.559
Creeks any kind of drainage or it's just
0:23:09.039,0:23:15.000
an invisible line that we can't see yep
0:23:12.559,0:23:16.840
yep hey I've got a next next little
0:23:15.000,0:23:18.159
talking point here goes right along with
0:23:16.840,0:23:21.480
what you was saying there at the end of
0:23:18.159,0:23:24.600
our last talking point um you might not
0:23:21.480,0:23:27.240
makeing M might not be making a long
0:23:24.600,0:23:29.799
enough stand you might be leaving your
0:23:27.240,0:23:32.400
stand before coy actually get to your
0:23:29.799,0:23:34.559
calling location is kind of what you was
0:23:32.400,0:23:37.080
going off of there uh there just a few
0:23:34.559,0:23:39.120
minutes ago you know you might be uh you
0:23:37.080,0:23:41.919
might be cutting your stands off at 15
0:23:39.120,0:23:43.320
minutes well it might be taking 17 18 or
0:23:41.919,0:23:44.600
20 minutes before your cows would ever
0:23:43.320,0:23:47.000
get
0:23:44.600,0:23:50.000
there yeah and that's an easy pattern to
0:23:47.000,0:23:52.279
fall into is it John I mean you you get
0:23:50.000,0:23:55.600
you know you get in this pattern of of
0:23:52.279,0:23:57.320
calling cows at that 8 10 minute Mark
0:23:55.600,0:24:00.200
and you think I don't have to sit any
0:23:57.320,0:24:01.840
longer you know and then you keep you
0:24:00.200,0:24:03.559
keep going that way for a while and
0:24:01.840,0:24:06.600
you're and you're having success but
0:24:03.559,0:24:09.799
then maybe different times a year this
0:24:06.600,0:24:13.240
happens where you're not calling as in
0:24:09.799,0:24:16.159
as many cows and that could be because
0:24:13.240,0:24:19.400
you're not sitting long enough right uh
0:24:16.159,0:24:22.200
prime example in my last story you know
0:24:19.400,0:24:25.240
I don't know why that Cy didn't come 20
0:24:22.200,0:24:26.960
minutes earlier into the stand but I
0:24:25.240,0:24:29.360
just still happened to like I said I was
0:24:26.960,0:24:32.039
getting ready to move location
0:24:29.360,0:24:34.520
and thought I'd just grab my binoculars
0:24:32.039,0:24:35.919
and glass across the ridge from me and
0:24:34.520,0:24:37.679
this guy was just sitting there on his
0:24:35.919,0:24:39.279
butt I don't think he ever heard the I
0:24:37.679,0:24:42.399
don't think he ever heard the call you
0:24:39.279,0:24:44.440
know the 20 minutes prior Y and started
0:24:42.399,0:24:46.559
calling and like I said I mean he come
0:24:44.440,0:24:48.919
blazing in there like he first time he
0:24:46.559,0:24:50.559
heard it yeah so yeah that you know
0:24:48.919,0:24:52.360
that's what made me think of this this
0:24:50.559,0:24:56.559
talking point because I've had it happen
0:24:52.360,0:24:58.679
many times and I've actually got STS um
0:24:56.559,0:25:02.159
you know why they work out this way it
0:24:58.679,0:25:04.080
it's hard it's hard to tell um but I do
0:25:02.159,0:25:05.480
have stands or you know especially if I
0:25:04.080,0:25:07.360
have somebody in here hunting with it
0:25:05.480,0:25:08.679
hunting with me or if I'm hunting by
0:25:07.360,0:25:10.760
myself you know I just got to remind
0:25:08.679,0:25:12.360
myself as you know say if you was down
0:25:10.760,0:25:13.919
here Cory went to this one particular
0:25:12.360,0:25:15.679
stand down here you know on the other
0:25:13.919,0:25:16.880
end of the county I might tell you say
0:25:15.679,0:25:18.679
well we're going to make a little bit
0:25:16.880,0:25:20.320
longer stand here seem like these kyos
0:25:18.679,0:25:23.399
don't show up till after about the 17
0:25:20.320,0:25:26.039
minute Mark and you know it's one of
0:25:23.399,0:25:28.000
those things they always show up late in
0:25:26.039,0:25:30.000
the stand you never call them up in that
0:25:28.000,0:25:32.320
first 15 minutes it's usually always
0:25:30.000,0:25:36.120
after a minute or two after that 15
0:25:32.320,0:25:38.799
minute mark and um that could that could
0:25:36.120,0:25:40.919
have a couple different reasons one of
0:25:38.799,0:25:42.760
them is they might be coming from a fair
0:25:40.919,0:25:44.840
piece away and it takes them that long
0:25:42.760,0:25:46.640
to get to you whether it's obstacles
0:25:44.840,0:25:49.640
have to cross or go through or they're
0:25:46.640,0:25:52.960
just that far away or what have you uh
0:25:49.640,0:25:55.840
you know it might just take them that 17
0:25:52.960,0:25:57.480
18 19 20 or whatever however many many
0:25:55.840,0:26:00.200
minutes it is it might just take them
0:25:57.480,0:26:02.360
that long to get to you uh the other
0:26:00.200,0:26:03.880
part is they could be out there hunting
0:26:02.360,0:26:06.159
out there on the move and you could be
0:26:03.880,0:26:09.320
in the coling for 15 minutes and they
0:26:06.159,0:26:11.039
were just that far away that they never
0:26:09.320,0:26:13.039
could hear the sound and then all a
0:26:11.039,0:26:15.159
sudden they got in within earshot from
0:26:13.039,0:26:17.440
moving towards you and you might be at
0:26:15.159,0:26:19.159
your 20 minute Mark into your stand they
0:26:17.440,0:26:20.960
finally start hearing that call and then
0:26:19.159,0:26:22.640
they rush in like like you said like
0:26:20.960,0:26:24.240
they've never been called to before in
0:26:22.640,0:26:26.720
their
0:26:24.240,0:26:28.440
lives and it could be as something as
0:26:26.720,0:26:32.080
simple as the sounds that you're
0:26:28.440,0:26:34.520
throwing out uh maybe a trigger you know
0:26:32.080,0:26:37.480
it maybe something that cow in that
0:26:34.520,0:26:39.880
sound don't don't feel comfortable with
0:26:37.480,0:26:43.039
or just doesn't Peak his interest and
0:26:39.880,0:26:45.240
then you you get further into your stand
0:26:43.039,0:26:47.640
say that 17 18 minute Mark like he was
0:26:45.240,0:26:49.840
talking about throw out a different
0:26:47.640,0:26:52.200
sequence of sound and it Sparks an
0:26:49.840,0:26:53.720
interest it's a good trigger that's
0:26:52.200,0:26:56.559
that's exactly right and we'll talk
0:26:53.720,0:26:58.080
about that exact point a little bit more
0:26:56.559,0:27:01.120
in depth here in just a minute or two
0:26:58.080,0:27:03.240
but just a recap here we've discussed
0:27:01.120,0:27:06.520
you might not be you might not have
0:27:03.240,0:27:09.320
coyotes within ear shot we've covered
0:27:06.520,0:27:12.840
proximity we've covered some stand
0:27:09.320,0:27:15.640
locations don't work um not making a
0:27:12.840,0:27:18.399
long enough coyot stand and calling
0:27:15.640,0:27:20.320
close to a coyot boundary so the next
0:27:18.399,0:27:23.679
thing I've got down here Cory that I'd
0:27:20.320,0:27:25.960
like to cover that that that is a I
0:27:23.679,0:27:28.919
think happens probably more times than
0:27:25.960,0:27:31.919
any of us want to admit and I know it's
0:27:28.919,0:27:35.480
happened to me because I've got up to
0:27:31.919,0:27:38.399
move and then see a ky running off is
0:27:35.480,0:27:42.559
it's possible that you were calling
0:27:38.399,0:27:44.600
coyes that you don't see or didn't see
0:27:42.559,0:27:48.240
um that happens with Bobcats a lot as
0:27:44.600,0:27:51.760
well um oh yeah nobody wants to admit
0:27:48.240,0:27:53.799
that but it is it is extremely possible
0:27:51.760,0:27:55.320
that you do call coyotes on some of
0:27:53.799,0:27:57.320
these stands you're not like man I don't
0:27:55.320,0:27:58.640
ever call a coyot here why why don't I
0:27:57.320,0:28:00.320
ever call coy
0:27:58.640,0:28:01.679
well you could be calling Cs and they
0:28:00.320,0:28:03.279
coming from a direction that you're not
0:28:01.679,0:28:05.919
paying much attention to and they come
0:28:03.279,0:28:08.760
in and leave out and you not even know
0:28:05.919,0:28:10.640
it yeah exactly right and you know
0:28:08.760,0:28:13.919
certain times of year CS are really hard
0:28:10.640,0:28:17.960
to see uh they could be there the whole
0:28:13.919,0:28:20.399
time or you you're you're calling from
0:28:17.960,0:28:22.320
an angle that you really don't expect
0:28:20.399,0:28:26.399
out to come from that actually happened
0:28:22.320,0:28:28.919
to me here about 3 weeks ago I was
0:28:26.399,0:28:31.080
calling and never expect a coyote to
0:28:28.919,0:28:33.960
come from a certain direction because
0:28:31.080,0:28:37.240
one I just come from there y I just made
0:28:33.960,0:28:40.039
a stand killed a coyote there moov
0:28:37.240,0:28:43.480
locations got into the new new location
0:28:40.039,0:28:46.559
which wasn't 500 yards from from my
0:28:43.480,0:28:49.279
previous and I wasn't expecting a coyote
0:28:46.559,0:28:51.519
to come from the location I just came
0:28:49.279,0:28:54.159
from I just killed a coyote there right
0:28:51.519,0:28:56.559
and about 10 minutes into the stand I've
0:28:54.159,0:28:59.480
got a coyote that comes by me about 10
0:28:56.559,0:29:01.360
yard and no telling how long he'd been
0:28:59.480,0:29:03.440
standing up the hill from me right you
0:29:01.360,0:29:07.120
know I could have seen seen that KY long
0:29:03.440,0:29:09.519
before I did and it was just it happens
0:29:07.120,0:29:11.440
to all of us you know it you want to
0:29:09.519,0:29:14.480
know why that's one of the reasons why
0:29:11.440,0:29:17.519
you got to watch every direct yep you
0:29:14.480,0:29:19.120
know man it it reminds me of us stand
0:29:17.519,0:29:22.320
right here close to home it's actually
0:29:19.120,0:29:24.880
next Road over uh from from where my
0:29:22.320,0:29:26.960
house is is a great farm that I've
0:29:24.880,0:29:28.760
hunted my entire life I've actually had
0:29:26.960,0:29:31.200
family members that's owned this Farm in
0:29:28.760,0:29:33.960
the past and got friends that own it now
0:29:31.200,0:29:36.240
so I've always hunted it it's got two
0:29:33.960,0:29:38.080
little ridges that come together and
0:29:36.240,0:29:39.880
they're they're hay field ridges so they
0:29:38.080,0:29:41.399
cut it for hay so every time I see it
0:29:39.880,0:29:43.360
cut for hay and they get it's it's one
0:29:41.399,0:29:46.440
of those places it's hard to set up on
0:29:43.360,0:29:48.000
way it rolls here um if you try to sit
0:29:46.440,0:29:50.080
along the woods where you got cover to
0:29:48.000,0:29:51.519
call out into the field you can't see
0:29:50.080,0:29:53.320
nothing it just rolls off too hard you
0:29:51.519,0:29:55.840
can only see like 20 or 30 yards but if
0:29:53.320,0:29:58.440
you set up on top you can see like 300
0:29:55.840,0:30:00.159
300 yard or 400 yards so whenever they
0:29:58.440,0:30:01.440
cut that hay then get it bailed up I
0:30:00.159,0:30:03.120
always try to rush in there and make a
0:30:01.440,0:30:04.360
Coy stand before they take the hay bells
0:30:03.120,0:30:06.039
out so I can always sit up against the
0:30:04.360,0:30:08.640
hay Bell you
0:30:06.039,0:30:10.480
know yeah yeah you got good cover you
0:30:08.640,0:30:14.320
can sit out there save forever you know
0:30:10.480,0:30:17.279
you can you got options anyway I come in
0:30:14.320,0:30:19.279
there and make his cow stand and uh set
0:30:17.279,0:30:21.480
up and I look up her man there's a hay
0:30:19.279,0:30:23.320
bill right in a perfect location like
0:30:21.480,0:30:25.720
right there in a perfect spot where I've
0:30:23.320,0:30:27.559
always dreamt that there' be a tree or
0:30:25.720,0:30:29.000
something to cover you like I got to sit
0:30:27.559,0:30:32.200
right there
0:30:29.000,0:30:34.399
set up I've called for you know I'm
0:30:32.200,0:30:37.000
talking about this place is like a 100er
0:30:34.399,0:30:39.799
when I go in there and call it you know
0:30:37.000,0:30:41.640
it's almost 100% of the time I I call a
0:30:39.799,0:30:43.679
Coy up and kill it well I've been
0:30:41.640,0:30:44.960
calling for like 25 minutes and usually
0:30:43.679,0:30:46.120
I'm killed them in the first five
0:30:44.960,0:30:48.600
minutes so I'm sitting there like
0:30:46.120,0:30:50.840
baffled like what in the world is going
0:30:48.600,0:30:52.360
on I said maybe they just ain't in here
0:30:50.840,0:30:53.679
right now or maybe somebody snuck in
0:30:52.360,0:30:55.320
here and got them killed before I had a
0:30:53.679,0:30:58.000
chance to hunt them or what or they just
0:30:55.320,0:31:00.519
ain't in here this year anyway I stand
0:30:58.000,0:31:02.279
hand up throwing my gun over my shoulder
0:31:00.519,0:31:04.679
picking all my stuff up fixing to walk
0:31:02.279,0:31:07.000
out there and get my call I'm stretching
0:31:04.679,0:31:09.039
cuz it's early in the morning all a
0:31:07.000,0:31:12.399
sudden I turn around and right Dead
0:31:09.039,0:31:15.240
behind me sitting on a hay Bell not 60
0:31:12.399,0:31:18.200
or 70 yards away is a freaking
0:31:15.240,0:31:20.200
C who knows how long the Joker has been
0:31:18.200,0:31:22.720
there and he's just staring me we're eye
0:31:20.200,0:31:26.399
to eye well guess what he hops off the
0:31:22.720,0:31:28.200
hay Bill takes off running no shot and
0:31:26.399,0:31:30.240
who knows how long that cow would been
0:31:28.200,0:31:32.279
there and if I hadn't turn when I stood
0:31:30.240,0:31:34.639
up if I hadn't turned around behind me
0:31:32.279,0:31:36.679
and just looked just from stretching and
0:31:34.639,0:31:39.799
yawning or whatever I was doing I would
0:31:36.679,0:31:42.159
have never seen that coyote so you know
0:31:39.799,0:31:44.480
that happens that happens you call
0:31:42.159,0:31:47.519
coyotes up you you just don't
0:31:44.480,0:31:50.480
see I love that story because it gives
0:31:47.519,0:31:53.559
everybody perspective that things like
0:31:50.480,0:31:56.320
that happen to everybody yeah you know
0:31:53.559,0:31:58.960
it's not it's not just you it happens to
0:31:56.320,0:32:02.559
everybody well man we just it happened
0:31:58.960,0:32:05.120
this this week in Montana we were on a
0:32:02.559,0:32:08.639
stand we had decoy dogs with us had two
0:32:05.120,0:32:10.960
really nice decoy dogs at Levis and uh
0:32:08.639,0:32:13.639
we rip out a set of house and right dead
0:32:10.960,0:32:17.120
out in front of us Levi spots a Coy out
0:32:13.639,0:32:20.200
there like 7 800 yards coming coming to
0:32:17.120,0:32:22.480
the house and uh that coyot comes all
0:32:20.200,0:32:25.559
the way up here to the call the dogs
0:32:22.480,0:32:27.519
take off down there to it well what
0:32:25.559,0:32:30.080
happens sometimes with decoy dogging
0:32:27.519,0:32:32.320
sometimes the coy don't want to play and
0:32:30.080,0:32:34.080
uh it ran from the it ran from the dogs
0:32:32.320,0:32:36.519
and I'm pretty sure that Coy's probably
0:32:34.080,0:32:38.240
still running that's how that's how fast
0:32:36.519,0:32:39.519
that KY was getting out of there but
0:32:38.240,0:32:41.840
anyway I'm sitting there kind of bummed
0:32:39.519,0:32:43.559
out and I'm like man first KY of the
0:32:41.840,0:32:45.600
trip that wouldn't work to dogs I said
0:32:43.559,0:32:46.960
sure there's another cow or two in here
0:32:45.600,0:32:49.639
somewhere though cuz this is still early
0:32:46.960,0:32:51.919
in the stand well we call for about
0:32:49.639,0:32:53.480
another 5 minutes and now getting into
0:32:51.919,0:32:55.720
some more aggressive stuff like our
0:32:53.480,0:32:58.240
fights and stuff like that well all a
0:32:55.720,0:33:01.559
sudden a dog perks up a little bit and
0:32:58.240,0:33:03.240
takes off running hard to my our left
0:33:01.559,0:33:05.080
you know it kind of makes us jerk around
0:33:03.240,0:33:08.760
well guess what here come another coyote
0:33:05.080,0:33:11.000
in from like over our left shoulder um
0:33:08.760,0:33:14.080
and the dogs got on it great decoy dog
0:33:11.000,0:33:18.880
work we ended up killing that Coy but I
0:33:14.080,0:33:20.720
guarantee you if it wasn't for the dogs
0:33:18.880,0:33:22.639
uh we would have never saw that cow or
0:33:20.720,0:33:24.279
that the angle that cow was coming in
0:33:22.639,0:33:26.360
from over our left shoulder what would
0:33:24.279,0:33:28.639
have happened when that Coy got down
0:33:26.360,0:33:31.039
there a little bit closer it would have
0:33:28.639,0:33:32.880
cut our track it was probably within 20
0:33:31.039,0:33:35.200
yards of cutting our track when I when I
0:33:32.880,0:33:36.600
turned and looked and the thing is if we
0:33:35.200,0:33:38.080
didn't have the dogs area to probably
0:33:36.600,0:33:40.039
come and cut our track turn around and
0:33:38.080,0:33:44.440
run off and we would have never known
0:33:40.039,0:33:48.799
that we CAU a coyot up on that stand
0:33:44.440,0:33:53.399
yeah so yeah everybody messes
0:33:48.799,0:33:55.760
up absolutely you not everybody say they
0:33:53.399,0:33:57.880
Co no and if we're not going in the
0:33:55.760,0:34:00.320
field every time and learning something
0:33:57.880,0:34:03.760
the things we're doing you know that's I
0:34:00.320,0:34:06.480
hear this uh I hear this come up a lot
0:34:03.760,0:34:10.000
in podcast on this podcast another
0:34:06.480,0:34:12.280
podcast woodsmanship yeah you know and
0:34:10.000,0:34:14.679
and that's part of you know learning
0:34:12.280,0:34:16.720
woodsmanship you got to have mistake you
0:34:14.679,0:34:18.359
know you got to learn from them and we
0:34:16.720,0:34:21.159
do every time we go
0:34:18.359,0:34:22.480
out yeah no it I'm sure we got people
0:34:21.159,0:34:25.520
listening too
0:34:22.480,0:34:28.399
like not seeing K that you may have call
0:34:25.520,0:34:31.359
in that's ludicrous I see everything I
0:34:28.399,0:34:34.119
guarantee you I guarantee you you've
0:34:31.359,0:34:36.240
called CS to your call to the fox Pro
0:34:34.119,0:34:38.599
that you did not see I guarantee it
0:34:36.240,0:34:40.560
absolutely yep absolutely yeah and I
0:34:38.599,0:34:43.679
don't even know how many time I've I've
0:34:40.560,0:34:45.879
like got a few instances burned into my
0:34:43.679,0:34:48.639
brain with Bobcats there's been a couple
0:34:45.879,0:34:50.679
times where I've called Forever on a
0:34:48.639,0:34:52.760
Bobcat stand where I thought I had one
0:34:50.679,0:34:54.520
figured out and stand up start walking
0:34:52.760,0:34:56.200
to the call like get halfway out there
0:34:54.520,0:34:58.520
then one takes off running that's
0:34:56.200,0:35:01.839
sitting Five Steps From the I know that
0:34:58.520,0:35:04.760
sounds crazy but it happens oh yeah it's
0:35:01.839,0:35:07.160
it's happened to me and it's it's just
0:35:04.760,0:35:10.040
they're so camouflaged and they come in
0:35:07.160,0:35:12.000
so slow you know you get you get
0:35:10.040,0:35:14.400
onedimensional sometimes you know
0:35:12.000,0:35:16.760
watching a Coy come in the call you know
0:35:14.400,0:35:19.680
they're fast moving sometimes and a
0:35:16.760,0:35:22.920
bobcat's just a whole different scenario
0:35:19.680,0:35:26.119
yeah so your eye don't pick up on on
0:35:22.920,0:35:27.960
some of those slow movements sometimes y
0:35:26.119,0:35:30.400
you better start watching that brush a
0:35:27.960,0:35:32.640
little better yep yep I and I've got
0:35:30.400,0:35:35.000
another similar spot that's kind of when
0:35:32.640,0:35:36.880
I said burned into my mind I've got this
0:35:35.000,0:35:40.720
one little creek bottom place that hun
0:35:36.880,0:35:43.160
it's a it's a creek bottom uh crop Farm
0:35:40.720,0:35:45.480
it's got a couple small Fields it's kind
0:35:43.160,0:35:47.160
of enclosed by Woods you got the creek
0:35:45.480,0:35:48.640
on the backside and you got Woods to the
0:35:47.160,0:35:50.520
right thick it to the left and like a
0:35:48.640,0:35:52.640
wooded Hillside out in front of you
0:35:50.520,0:35:54.440
great spot for cats and bobcats it's one
0:35:52.640,0:35:57.960
of those in the winter time he might
0:35:54.440,0:36:00.960
call up anything right well there was
0:35:57.960,0:36:02.960
one occasion that I'd called Forever and
0:36:00.960,0:36:05.720
was just amazed I didn't call anything
0:36:02.960,0:36:08.880
in and right before getting up you know
0:36:05.720,0:36:10.560
I just happened to scan with my scope
0:36:08.880,0:36:14.079
and there was this spot there in the
0:36:10.560,0:36:16.880
tree line that I saw early into the
0:36:14.079,0:36:19.440
stand but I thought was just like a a
0:36:16.880,0:36:22.440
snag or a you know broken piece of wood
0:36:19.440,0:36:24.319
or whatever it ended up being a Coy
0:36:22.440,0:36:25.800
sitting there been sitting there for 15
0:36:24.319,0:36:28.079
minutes just looking out in the field
0:36:25.800,0:36:29.800
trying to figure out what the sound was
0:36:28.079,0:36:32.200
and uh you know I ended up killing that
0:36:29.800,0:36:33.920
Coy but the coy had been there forever
0:36:32.200,0:36:35.319
and if I hadn't you know just went and
0:36:33.920,0:36:36.400
looked through the scope that c would
0:36:35.319,0:36:38.000
have run off I wouldn't have got it
0:36:36.400,0:36:39.760
killed you know just happen to scan
0:36:38.000,0:36:41.680
around just and I do that a lot on like
0:36:39.760,0:36:44.040
Bobcat stands before I get up I do a
0:36:41.680,0:36:46.040
good scan of every little piece of
0:36:44.040,0:36:47.760
something cuz Bobcats do that a lot they
0:36:46.040,0:36:49.520
just come and sit down on the edge but
0:36:47.760,0:36:51.560
had a ky do that at that time he was
0:36:49.520,0:36:52.760
just like two steps inside the woods
0:36:51.560,0:36:55.200
sitting there on his butt I was like
0:36:52.760,0:36:56.920
well good grief that's a coyote sitting
0:36:55.200,0:36:58.640
right there that's what that is and put
0:36:56.920,0:36:59.960
one right in his is so that one that one
0:36:58.640,0:37:01.839
actually worked out but it's kind of one
0:36:59.960,0:37:03.440
of those things like I'm pretty sure
0:37:01.839,0:37:07.040
I've been seeing that spot for 15
0:37:03.440,0:37:08.640
minutes so he's been here that long yeah
0:37:07.040,0:37:11.359
yeah I've done the same thing on a
0:37:08.640,0:37:14.400
Bobcat stand just almost identical to
0:37:11.359,0:37:17.640
your Coy stand uh early in the stand
0:37:14.400,0:37:19.800
five minutes into the stand uh this this
0:37:17.640,0:37:22.319
location is kind of the same way it's
0:37:19.800,0:37:24.400
broken up different different ridges on
0:37:22.319,0:37:25.760
each side and got a you know a drainage
0:37:24.400,0:37:28.880
like a creek running down through the
0:37:25.760,0:37:32.280
middle of it and they had actually
0:37:28.880,0:37:34.599
clearcut this property so there's stumps
0:37:32.280,0:37:37.119
all over this property that's two three
0:37:34.599,0:37:39.160
feet high you know they just stand two
0:37:37.119,0:37:40.480
or three foot you know up in the air
0:37:39.160,0:37:43.200
they're not stumps that are laying over
0:37:40.480,0:37:45.200
on the ground and everything looks like
0:37:43.200,0:37:47.359
a you know a coyote or a bobcat sitting
0:37:45.200,0:37:49.160
out there so it's yeah you know kind of
0:37:47.359,0:37:52.160
kind of hard kind of hard to pick things
0:37:49.160,0:37:54.599
out but I was about 15 minutes into the
0:37:52.160,0:37:56.680
stand looked down the hill and I thought
0:37:54.599,0:37:58.440
I'm going to pick my binoculars up pick
0:37:56.680,0:38:01.920
my binoculars up and there's a cat
0:37:58.440,0:38:04.920
standing on a piece of Timber that was
0:38:01.920,0:38:06.319
laid down and I'm like where did that
0:38:04.920,0:38:08.720
cat come from well he' been there the
0:38:06.319,0:38:11.400
whole time you know yep I just thought
0:38:08.720,0:38:14.800
that he was part of the structure you
0:38:11.400,0:38:16.440
know yep you gota that's that's a that's
0:38:14.800,0:38:18.560
a common one that a lot of people don't
0:38:16.440,0:38:20.319
think about but it happens but uh we'll
0:38:18.560,0:38:24.760
move right on to the next one our next
0:38:20.319,0:38:28.000
one here is that you could be and Cory
0:38:24.760,0:38:30.440
actually said this earlier but but uh
0:38:28.000,0:38:35.280
you could be bumping coyotes with your
0:38:30.440,0:38:37.200
approach into your stand and you know
0:38:35.280,0:38:38.400
you might catch it and you might not but
0:38:37.200,0:38:39.680
it's one of those things especially if
0:38:38.400,0:38:43.000
you're hunting some of this hilly
0:38:39.680,0:38:44.720
country like in Kentucky um Midwest
0:38:43.000,0:38:46.280
stuff has some can have some hilly
0:38:44.720,0:38:48.760
country like in your part of Missouri
0:38:46.280,0:38:51.920
it's very rolling and stuff like that
0:38:48.760,0:38:54.079
you could be calling this um crop bottom
0:38:51.920,0:38:56.920
field or it don't even have to be a it
0:38:54.079,0:38:58.440
could be anything you know if there's
0:38:56.920,0:39:00.560
these instances where you could be
0:38:58.440,0:39:02.119
walking into a stand and a Coy is out
0:39:00.560,0:39:04.400
there where he can see your approach
0:39:02.119,0:39:06.000
whether he's already up on his feet or
0:39:04.400,0:39:07.560
whether he's laying there bed it up I
0:39:06.000,0:39:09.520
mean I think this happens a lot when you
0:39:07.560,0:39:11.079
hunt when you've got a stand location
0:39:09.520,0:39:13.480
that's kind of in the bottom and you're
0:39:11.079,0:39:15.160
trying to call stuff off a hillside
0:39:13.480,0:39:17.040
those coyot are up on that Hillside for
0:39:15.160,0:39:19.760
a reason because they can see everything
0:39:17.040,0:39:22.040
below them you know what I mean so it's
0:39:19.760,0:39:23.920
it's very possible that you could think
0:39:22.040,0:39:25.240
you know you got coyotes figured out you
0:39:23.920,0:39:27.599
know they're over in this certain
0:39:25.240,0:39:30.319
location but because of your approach
0:39:27.599,0:39:32.240
they're seeing you come in or or
0:39:30.319,0:39:34.560
whatever you know you could be bumping
0:39:32.240,0:39:36.319
cows with your approach and if you think
0:39:34.560,0:39:38.160
you could be making that mistake you're
0:39:36.319,0:39:39.800
going to have to tweak tweak how you
0:39:38.160,0:39:43.079
approach that stand to get those cows
0:39:39.800,0:39:45.280
CAU up yeah yeah try to keep some kind
0:39:43.079,0:39:48.560
of structure in between you and that
0:39:45.280,0:39:51.079
Ridge line if you think that there's a
0:39:48.560,0:39:53.079
possibility of bumping a coyot out
0:39:51.079,0:39:57.000
whether it's you know Timber or fence
0:39:53.079,0:39:59.800
row you know it just going to have to
0:39:57.000,0:40:01.359
keep keep your eye on what's going to
0:39:59.800,0:40:05.359
keep you concealed coming into that
0:40:01.359,0:40:06.440
stand right yeah I mean uh there's one I
0:40:05.359,0:40:08.720
ain't going to say who I was hunting
0:40:06.440,0:40:12.000
with but I was hunting with with a with
0:40:08.720,0:40:14.119
a buddy here here close to home just a
0:40:12.000,0:40:16.920
couple hours away and it was the same
0:40:14.119,0:40:19.800
type of situation we had drove into this
0:40:16.920,0:40:21.079
spot and we was driving to and that's
0:40:19.800,0:40:22.680
what it was it was a hillside out in
0:40:21.079,0:40:25.160
front of us and as we're driving in the
0:40:22.680,0:40:26.880
guy said you know users coyotes up here
0:40:25.160,0:40:28.560
on that Hillside I bet we can call one
0:40:26.880,0:40:29.640
off of it and I'm sitting there thinking
0:40:28.560,0:40:32.440
like well they're probably watching us
0:40:29.640,0:40:35.560
drive in right now you know well we park
0:40:32.440,0:40:37.800
where we park at is looking right at
0:40:35.560,0:40:39.520
that Hillside so the time we enter this
0:40:37.800,0:40:41.079
property we're driving towards that
0:40:39.520,0:40:43.680
Hillside there's anything on it they can
0:40:41.079,0:40:46.880
see us where we park we get out of the
0:40:43.680,0:40:49.520
truck and walk to the stand there is no
0:40:46.880,0:40:52.280
time that we are not in sight of a
0:40:49.520,0:40:54.240
coyote if it's up on that Hillside we
0:40:52.280,0:40:57.319
get set up and I turn around I can see
0:40:54.240,0:40:58.760
the truck it ain't 50 yards away and I'm
0:40:57.319,0:41:00.720
sitting there thinking well I can see
0:40:58.760,0:41:03.079
the truck from here for Skyes up there
0:41:00.720,0:41:06.640
they can see it too and sure enough we
0:41:03.079,0:41:09.640
set up and make a make a how and uh
0:41:06.640,0:41:09.640
we're cut off
0:41:12.280,0:41:17.240
with and guy looks like oh he's
0:41:14.960,0:41:19.520
challenging challenge him back I said
0:41:17.240,0:41:21.520
that Coy ain't challenging nothing that
0:41:19.520,0:41:24.240
Coy is Booker bark and that Coy knows
0:41:21.520,0:41:27.520
exactly what that is you know he washed
0:41:24.240,0:41:29.760
his walk he he washed his Drive In he
0:41:27.520,0:41:32.800
watched us walk to a stand he watched us
0:41:29.760,0:41:34.960
set up he watched me my dumb butt walk
0:41:32.800,0:41:36.720
out there with my x24 and set it out
0:41:34.960,0:41:38.520
there he watched me walk back he watched
0:41:36.720,0:41:42.359
me pull the remote out he watched me hit
0:41:38.520,0:41:44.400
play so it was no challenge it was a you
0:41:42.359,0:41:47.240
know it was a Fu buddy I ain't coming
0:41:44.400,0:41:47.240
down there I've got
0:41:47.560,0:41:53.200
you and I I said I looked I said I said
0:41:51.520,0:41:55.520
yeah I don't think it's a that's a
0:41:53.200,0:41:58.040
challenge he's he's uh he's booger
0:41:55.520,0:42:00.200
barking he's he's seen us
0:41:58.040,0:42:02.560
and you know he oh no he's you know I
0:42:00.200,0:42:03.880
said no I said he's up on that Hillside
0:42:02.560,0:42:05.480
look where we come from look at the
0:42:03.880,0:42:07.319
truck I said he's watched this the old
0:42:05.480,0:42:09.599
dag on time he kind of had a look on his
0:42:07.319,0:42:11.839
face like dang it you're right he has
0:42:09.599,0:42:11.839
seen
0:42:12.400,0:42:18.440
us and and it's it's just uh it just
0:42:15.880,0:42:21.920
happens you know it and I've done the
0:42:18.440,0:42:26.280
same thing going to a location thinking
0:42:21.920,0:42:28.920
my truck was hi start calling and have a
0:42:26.280,0:42:30.920
Coy hang up like that I don't he didn't
0:42:28.920,0:42:34.599
booger bark on me but he just sat out
0:42:30.920,0:42:36.200
there for four five six minutes finally
0:42:34.599,0:42:39.640
just turned around and went off and here
0:42:36.200,0:42:42.119
I'm on the x24 throwing all different
0:42:39.640,0:42:44.680
kinds of STS at him and he ain't having
0:42:42.119,0:42:48.160
none of it and I get back to the truck
0:42:44.680,0:42:51.680
after my uh long walk back to the truck
0:42:48.160,0:42:54.520
yeah you know with my tail tuck yeah the
0:42:51.680,0:42:56.240
Walk of Shame and I just happened to
0:42:54.520,0:42:57.839
look out across that pasture and I
0:42:56.240,0:43:00.400
looked that Hillside and I'm like that's
0:42:57.839,0:43:03.119
where that bad gum Coy was he could see
0:43:00.400,0:43:04.640
my truck the whole time yeah and that
0:43:03.119,0:43:07.920
and that goes right along with her next
0:43:04.640,0:43:10.119
thing here is they they they see your
0:43:07.920,0:43:11.640
truck they might be seeing when the cow
0:43:10.119,0:43:13.000
is actually approaching coming to you
0:43:11.640,0:43:16.079
they see your truck after to park
0:43:13.000,0:43:18.480
somewhere I think in some instances that
0:43:16.079,0:43:20.160
probably don't that probably don't hurt
0:43:18.480,0:43:22.280
you I think a lot of times here in the
0:43:20.160,0:43:23.240
East you can get away with that
0:43:22.280,0:43:24.880
especially because they're used to
0:43:23.240,0:43:26.079
seeing so many vehicles but I know if
0:43:24.880,0:43:28.079
you're hunting some of that Western
0:43:26.079,0:43:31.000
Country if if you're hunting you know
0:43:28.079,0:43:33.800
that high desert stuff or or any of that
0:43:31.000,0:43:35.720
Sagebrush stuff and you know you you've
0:43:33.800,0:43:37.240
hopped on a two track and bumping out
0:43:35.720,0:43:39.079
through there and and you decide to
0:43:37.240,0:43:40.839
start making a stand you better hide
0:43:39.079,0:43:43.720
your truck I know those coyotes out
0:43:40.839,0:43:45.200
there they will not tolerate it um
0:43:43.720,0:43:46.920
there's been many of times you know our
0:43:45.200,0:43:49.160
approach was fine we didn't bump any
0:43:46.920,0:43:51.280
Couts coming in or nothing like that or
0:43:49.160,0:43:53.720
they didn't see us coming in but once we
0:43:51.280,0:43:56.079
got set up and got to calling where the
0:43:53.720,0:43:58.599
coyote was approaching to us our truck
0:43:56.079,0:44:00.079
ended up screwing things up cuz you know
0:43:58.599,0:44:02.480
you get a coyot coming all a sudden he
0:44:00.079,0:44:04.800
stops out there at 400 yards and he's
0:44:02.480,0:44:06.280
just staring staring staring and you're
0:44:04.800,0:44:07.440
thinking I'm going to call him on in I
0:44:06.280,0:44:09.040
ain't got to shoot him out there and all
0:44:07.440,0:44:11.960
a sudden he turns and leaves you're like
0:44:09.040,0:44:14.040
what in the world he can't see us he
0:44:11.960,0:44:16.319
can't smell us or wins just right what
0:44:14.040,0:44:17.680
happened and uh and you might be
0:44:16.319,0:44:19.400
thinking that game like we was talking
0:44:17.680,0:44:21.640
about earli W maybe he got close to a
0:44:19.400,0:44:23.079
boundary or whatever well then all of a
0:44:21.640,0:44:24.480
sudden you get up and you walk out there
0:44:23.079,0:44:26.559
and get you call and you turn around
0:44:24.480,0:44:29.280
you're like well dag on there's the
0:44:26.559,0:44:30.800
truck he saw the truck and that happens
0:44:29.280,0:44:32.800
that happens a lot that's something to
0:44:30.800,0:44:35.280
be mindful of is hiding your pickup
0:44:32.800,0:44:36.880
truck or your car you know you might be
0:44:35.280,0:44:38.599
driving a Prius or something like that I
0:44:36.880,0:44:41.640
don't know hey you
0:44:38.599,0:44:43.440
know your car you side beside your truck
0:44:41.640,0:44:46.599
whatever vehicle you're in it can get
0:44:43.440,0:44:49.559
you in trouble it very well can and it
0:44:46.599,0:44:51.880
doesn't just happen in the west you know
0:44:49.559,0:44:54.920
I I've got some property up in North
0:44:51.880,0:44:57.839
Missouri a lot of row crop Fields uh a
0:44:54.920,0:45:01.160
lot of hedge RS hard to hide hard to
0:44:57.839,0:45:02.960
hide to pick up stick out like THB yeah
0:45:01.160,0:45:04.440
yes and you know you think in a lot of
0:45:02.960,0:45:06.839
that agriculture country you know
0:45:04.440,0:45:09.400
there's tractors farm equipment all the
0:45:06.839,0:45:11.280
time sitting in them locations but they
0:45:09.400,0:45:14.400
see something different y you know like
0:45:11.280,0:45:16.559
a pickup or a side to side don't hang up
0:45:14.400,0:45:17.920
it I've had it happen several times up
0:45:16.559,0:45:20.359
in that part of the
0:45:17.920,0:45:23.559
world I've got two
0:45:20.359,0:45:25.079
more maybe three more definitely two
0:45:23.559,0:45:26.400
more that I want to cover before we run
0:45:25.079,0:45:27.599
out of time here we've been on her for
0:45:26.400,0:45:30.960
several minutes
0:45:27.599,0:45:33.359
but this one is this one is huge um this
0:45:30.960,0:45:36.400
one's like the gorilla in the room so to
0:45:33.359,0:45:39.480
speak and I think we can all be guilty
0:45:36.400,0:45:42.480
of it is hunting
0:45:39.480,0:45:44.839
pressure that is a that is a serious
0:45:42.480,0:45:47.599
reason why you might not be calling
0:45:44.839,0:45:50.040
coyotes is too much hunting pressure and
0:45:47.599,0:45:52.559
that hunting pressure can come from you
0:45:50.040,0:45:55.760
or it can come from other Hunters
0:45:52.559,0:45:57.559
coyotes can only handle so much hunting
0:45:55.760,0:46:02.160
pressure
0:45:57.559,0:46:04.520
yep and I've made a key note on that and
0:46:02.160,0:46:07.760
uh this is something that I always try
0:46:04.520,0:46:09.720
to do you know even even if I've had a
0:46:07.760,0:46:12.800
property for a little while and I bump
0:46:09.720,0:46:15.160
into a landowner is anybody else hunting
0:46:12.800,0:46:17.880
here I I ask that question a lot you
0:46:15.160,0:46:19.960
know if I'm struggling in a place where
0:46:17.880,0:46:23.760
I think you know I should be calling
0:46:19.960,0:46:26.680
coyotes uh I may ask that landowner hey
0:46:23.760,0:46:28.839
you know have you have you got anybody
0:46:26.680,0:46:31.400
else out here hunting your Predators you
0:46:28.839,0:46:33.880
know that I don't want to be where
0:46:31.400,0:46:36.920
somebody else is you know yeah I don't
0:46:33.880,0:46:39.880
want to waste my time waste my gas going
0:46:36.920,0:46:43.480
into these locations and not calling in
0:46:39.880,0:46:46.480
coyotes and like you said I'm guilty of
0:46:43.480,0:46:48.680
it myself I've done it you know y get on
0:46:46.480,0:46:50.440
a hot Street calling a few kows in that
0:46:48.680,0:46:52.319
place and then you just keep hammering
0:46:50.440,0:46:54.200
it hammering it and hammering it next
0:46:52.319,0:46:57.200
thing you know you're not calling any
0:46:54.200,0:46:59.880
more coyes yep yep they'll only they
0:46:57.200,0:47:01.520
only take so much pressure and uh you
0:46:59.880,0:47:03.000
know we all get in those situations
0:47:01.520,0:47:05.000
where you're calling ground at other
0:47:03.000,0:47:06.720
people's calling whether it's on
0:47:05.000,0:47:08.800
accident that you don't know about or
0:47:06.720,0:47:10.760
it's a place that you've hunted for a
0:47:08.800,0:47:13.359
while and then somebody else gains
0:47:10.760,0:47:15.720
permission uh you know you just never
0:47:13.359,0:47:18.359
know the circumstances but we all run
0:47:15.720,0:47:19.400
into those type of situations and U I
0:47:18.359,0:47:22.240
tell you another thing it's just like
0:47:19.400,0:47:23.720
saying they'll only handle a certain
0:47:22.240,0:47:26.160
amount of pressure before they start
0:47:23.720,0:47:28.280
getting call shy and and all that type
0:47:26.160,0:47:29.880
of stuff another factor is you could
0:47:28.280,0:47:31.960
actually you know from hunting pressure
0:47:29.880,0:47:33.440
if you are killing coyotes and if
0:47:31.960,0:47:35.839
somebody else is coming there behind you
0:47:33.440,0:47:38.720
or in front of you and killing coyotes
0:47:35.839,0:47:40.920
um you can run out of them there people
0:47:38.720,0:47:44.640
think that there's a Unlimited Supply of
0:47:40.920,0:47:46.440
coyotes and and that is true there is
0:47:44.640,0:47:49.000
you know I I you know I don't think
0:47:46.440,0:47:51.160
we'll ever kill them out but you can
0:47:49.000,0:47:53.960
kill coyotes out of a certain area for a
0:47:51.160,0:47:55.760
certain stretch of time it might just be
0:47:53.960,0:47:58.079
two weeks and they come back in it could
0:47:55.760,0:47:59.920
be two months before coyot comes back in
0:47:58.079,0:48:02.079
it could be a year before a coyot comes
0:47:59.920,0:48:03.880
back in now a lot of oh it ain't like
0:48:02.079,0:48:05.920
that it you kill one coyot and want to
0:48:03.880,0:48:08.319
just move right back in the next day
0:48:05.920,0:48:10.359
that don't happen in every single
0:48:08.319,0:48:12.319
location that don't happen just
0:48:10.359,0:48:13.880
everywhere you could be going back in
0:48:12.319,0:48:16.119
there you know you could have a say if
0:48:13.880,0:48:17.760
it's a property owner holler say man
0:48:16.119,0:48:19.680
I've been seeing two coyotes in here
0:48:17.760,0:48:21.040
every day in a certain location need get
0:48:19.680,0:48:22.760
in there and kill them you're like yeah
0:48:21.040,0:48:24.640
I'll be in there in two weeks I'm going
0:48:22.760,0:48:26.920
to go in there and burn them up for you
0:48:24.640,0:48:29.280
well you didn't know it be holler that
0:48:26.920,0:48:30.880
Larry Joe and told Larry Joe the same
0:48:29.280,0:48:32.839
thing and Larry Joe come in there the
0:48:30.880,0:48:34.319
next day and kill those two cows well
0:48:32.839,0:48:36.559
you don't know about it so you come in
0:48:34.319,0:48:38.319
there two weeks later said yeah yeah
0:48:36.559,0:48:40.640
land on her been her two cows hanging
0:48:38.319,0:48:42.559
out in this area sees them every day
0:48:40.640,0:48:44.160
it's this perfect situation I going get
0:48:42.559,0:48:47.240
them killed you get there and you call
0:48:44.160,0:48:49.720
you call you call you Call nothing well
0:48:47.240,0:48:52.079
you come back a week or so later try it
0:48:49.720,0:48:53.680
again nothing call call call and you're
0:48:52.079,0:48:56.160
like man what in the world I can't call
0:48:53.680,0:48:58.839
a figured I'd burn them up what happened
0:48:56.160,0:49:02.240
was was you calling to two ghost coow
0:48:58.839,0:49:04.240
he's already dead that dang Larry Joe
0:49:02.240,0:49:07.200
got me Larry Joe done beat you through
0:49:04.240,0:49:10.160
the punch now I know that sounds I know
0:49:07.200,0:49:12.880
some people listen like that's stupid
0:49:10.160,0:49:14.680
that happens guys I mean it yeah I know
0:49:12.880,0:49:16.760
there is certain locations you can kill
0:49:14.680,0:49:19.319
coyotes out and it ain't but a matter of
0:49:16.760,0:49:21.160
days or weeks and coyotes more coyotes
0:49:19.319,0:49:23.880
come in and fill those voids fill those
0:49:21.160,0:49:28.160
spots up but not every spot is like that
0:49:23.880,0:49:30.440
so that can happen to you so you know
0:49:28.160,0:49:33.760
hunting pressure can be that's probably
0:49:30.440,0:49:35.559
the main cause of well I shouldn't say
0:49:33.760,0:49:38.440
the main cause but it is a huge thing
0:49:35.559,0:49:41.280
that can result to dry hands it's too
0:49:38.440,0:49:43.160
much hun on top yeah oh it's got to be
0:49:41.280,0:49:45.040
it's got to be yeah and that hunting
0:49:43.160,0:49:46.760
pressure can come from you it can come
0:49:45.040,0:49:48.319
from other hunters or it can come from
0:49:46.760,0:49:49.920
both of
0:49:48.319,0:49:52.760
you
0:49:49.920,0:49:55.960
so but the next one I want to say here
0:49:52.760,0:49:57.760
is and we talk about this topic this is
0:49:55.960,0:50:00.680
this next one reason why you might not
0:49:57.760,0:50:04.480
be calling coyotes is something we
0:50:00.680,0:50:06.359
cover a a lot here on the on the podcast
0:50:04.480,0:50:08.040
I mean we cover this stuff a lot this is
0:50:06.359,0:50:10.319
one of our big things for Education
0:50:08.040,0:50:13.119
because we want people to be you know we
0:50:10.319,0:50:15.720
want you to be successful and um you
0:50:13.119,0:50:17.440
know I I hear some people say that I can
0:50:15.720,0:50:19.359
tell they listen to the podcast and they
0:50:17.440,0:50:20.760
don't agree with it and it's fine you
0:50:19.359,0:50:22.960
know everybody's got their own thing or
0:50:20.760,0:50:25.400
they see stuff it's wrote on Facebook
0:50:22.960,0:50:27.200
groups and all this other stuff but it
0:50:25.400,0:50:29.799
is possible
0:50:27.200,0:50:32.880
that you're not playing the right sound
0:50:29.799,0:50:34.960
or sounds or sequences to trigger
0:50:32.880,0:50:37.880
response on the coyotes at whatever
0:50:34.960,0:50:39.480
particular time of year it is and uh we
0:50:37.880,0:50:41.119
talk about that extensive we're always
0:50:39.480,0:50:43.720
talking about sounds and sequences to
0:50:41.119,0:50:46.280
keep you guys successful and it is
0:50:43.720,0:50:48.760
possible that you go try a stand and
0:50:46.280,0:50:51.000
you're not running a s the right sound
0:50:48.760,0:50:53.000
set that will generate a response with
0:50:51.000,0:50:55.280
these coyotes it's all about triggers
0:50:53.000,0:50:57.559
it's all about playing a sound that
0:50:55.280,0:51:00.400
triggers them to want to come to your
0:50:57.559,0:51:02.760
Fox Pro and if you don't play the right
0:51:00.400,0:51:06.160
sound it it it just ain't going to
0:51:02.760,0:51:08.280
happen and you could be playing a proven
0:51:06.160,0:51:09.920
sound and sequence at any given time of
0:51:08.280,0:51:14.040
year you know like right now here in the
0:51:09.920,0:51:17.280
summer month this is July um what's hot
0:51:14.040,0:51:18.839
is coyote vocals right hows puppy sounds
0:51:17.280,0:51:20.400
fights all that type of stuff that's
0:51:18.839,0:51:23.160
usually what's generating your responses
0:51:20.400,0:51:24.839
from your coyes well you might be
0:51:23.160,0:51:26.839
playing that stuff you can play your
0:51:24.839,0:51:28.400
favorite how you could be play playing
0:51:26.839,0:51:30.000
your favorite two or three pup sounds
0:51:28.400,0:51:32.079
you could be playing you know your
0:51:30.000,0:51:34.400
social sounds and your fights at the end
0:51:32.079,0:51:35.960
you know St sounds it's just proven to
0:51:34.400,0:51:37.599
work during this time of year and you
0:51:35.960,0:51:40.200
might have killed a big water coats the
0:51:37.599,0:51:42.079
week before to those same sounds well
0:51:40.200,0:51:43.839
you could be playing I'm just going to
0:51:42.079,0:51:47.960
pull some sounds out there you could be
0:51:43.839,0:51:50.760
playing you know female sorous with
0:51:47.960,0:51:53.599
mfk you know stanky pup two or three
0:51:50.760,0:51:57.280
different weeks of it and HP Coy pup and
0:51:53.599,0:52:00.280
nutty nut pup and you know R pup from
0:51:57.280,0:52:02.839
mfk and you're like I always kill CS of
0:52:00.280,0:52:05.319
the all these sounds finish with you
0:52:02.839,0:52:06.799
fights and nothing well there could be a
0:52:05.319,0:52:09.079
c sitting out there listening to you and
0:52:06.799,0:52:10.240
it's like nah I ain't coming all that
0:52:09.079,0:52:14.680
well you could have played just one
0:52:10.240,0:52:16.559
other sound say little be 11 week pup
0:52:14.680,0:52:19.599
well that Cy might have jumped up and
0:52:16.559,0:52:21.839
like oh my gosh that's Freddy over there
0:52:19.599,0:52:23.720
dying I better go help him that one
0:52:21.839,0:52:25.240
sound that you left out could have made
0:52:23.720,0:52:27.599
all the difference in the world in that
0:52:25.240,0:52:30.079
stand and I know it sounds crazy but if
0:52:27.599,0:52:31.880
you Cory have you ever walked into a
0:52:30.079,0:52:33.520
stand and spotted a Coy out there that
0:52:31.880,0:52:35.240
was mousing around and didn't see you
0:52:33.520,0:52:37.240
and you was able to set up and get to
0:52:35.240,0:52:40.040
call on that Co you ever had that
0:52:37.240,0:52:42.200
situation absolutely yep have you ever
0:52:40.040,0:52:44.240
gotten that situation and set you call
0:52:42.200,0:52:46.040
out there the coy hasn't seen you he
0:52:44.240,0:52:47.720
can't smell you everything's right you
0:52:46.040,0:52:49.799
got lucky have you ever been that
0:52:47.720,0:52:52.280
situation where you start playing sounds
0:52:49.799,0:52:55.119
and the coy will hardly even barely look
0:52:52.280,0:52:57.480
at you it don't come AB
0:52:55.119,0:52:59.400
absolutely and you know I've I've had it
0:52:57.480,0:53:01.480
happen SE and this is one of those this
0:52:59.400,0:53:03.200
is where you can really learn a lot you
0:53:01.480,0:53:04.559
know I've been on those situations and
0:53:03.200,0:53:05.799
you start playing these things well I'm
0:53:04.559,0:53:07.760
just going to go straight to this I know
0:53:05.799,0:53:09.400
he'll come that Coy just barely looks
0:53:07.760,0:53:11.000
over at you then goes right back to moue
0:53:09.400,0:53:12.480
and I'm going to Howl at him well you'll
0:53:11.000,0:53:14.520
how and he might look up and then go
0:53:12.480,0:53:17.200
right back to Mouse and play two or
0:53:14.520,0:53:18.359
three more sounds he don't even look and
0:53:17.200,0:53:20.720
then you know I've been in this
0:53:18.359,0:53:22.520
situation several times so you just
0:53:20.720,0:53:24.000
start bumping through sounds real quick
0:53:22.520,0:53:26.760
just playing them for 30 seconds to a
0:53:24.000,0:53:29.520
minute just see if his Cod will look
0:53:26.760,0:53:31.520
come whatever and you know I've been in
0:53:29.520,0:53:33.160
those situations where I play several
0:53:31.520,0:53:35.720
sounds I'm talking about a half a dozen
0:53:33.160,0:53:37.559
or more and as KY don't even Flinch like
0:53:35.720,0:53:39.920
he's interested at all and then all a
0:53:37.559,0:53:42.960
sudden you hit that one sound and that
0:53:39.920,0:53:45.160
KY just turns his head perks his ears
0:53:42.960,0:53:47.520
and comes burning in kicking dirt up
0:53:45.160,0:53:49.319
behind him he's coming so hard what in
0:53:47.520,0:53:51.640
the world made that one sound trigger
0:53:49.319,0:53:53.880
the response and the others didn't I
0:53:51.640,0:53:56.400
don't know but that stuff happens there
0:53:53.880,0:53:59.160
is it is possible that you're not
0:53:56.400,0:54:01.240
playing the right sound or sounds or
0:53:59.160,0:54:03.079
sound sequences that actually make a
0:54:01.240,0:54:04.640
coyote want to come to the call and
0:54:03.079,0:54:08.119
that's just something that that happens
0:54:04.640,0:54:11.680
from time to time yeah and it's it's so
0:54:08.119,0:54:14.000
frustrating you know when you see a c
0:54:11.680,0:54:16.000
you know do something like that throwing
0:54:14.000,0:54:17.799
sounds out there you think I'm throwing
0:54:16.000,0:54:20.119
everything but the kitchen sink and he's
0:54:17.799,0:54:22.960
still not even you know paying attention
0:54:20.119,0:54:24.480
to me at all might be 600 yards out
0:54:22.960,0:54:27.559
there just out of your rifle your
0:54:24.480,0:54:30.640
comfortable rifle range so frustrating
0:54:27.559,0:54:33.799
I've been there you know and and then
0:54:30.640,0:54:37.599
you know anxiety sets in and you're like
0:54:33.799,0:54:40.960
like what am I doing here you know yeah
0:54:37.599,0:54:44.160
yep no there's a I can remember a Cy
0:54:40.960,0:54:47.160
from years ago that um is the same type
0:54:44.160,0:54:48.440
of situation where um was walking in me
0:54:47.160,0:54:50.960
and my cousin were walking in we
0:54:48.440,0:54:53.200
actually spotted a cow over on a far
0:54:50.960,0:54:54.880
Hillside same thing we was able to set
0:54:53.200,0:54:56.799
up what I did was actually just we just
0:54:54.880,0:54:58.680
sat down I sat the call right tius I
0:54:56.799,0:55:00.359
think I was actually running a that was
0:54:58.680,0:55:04.200
back when I was running a fury remember
0:55:00.359,0:55:07.720
the fury Fox Fury I had one yeah set
0:55:04.200,0:55:10.559
right up and went right into pup three
0:55:07.720,0:55:14.359
coyot never even looked up at us pup
0:55:10.559,0:55:17.680
three koi pup screams kyot death cry pup
0:55:14.359,0:55:21.200
to howled at him played rabbits kyot
0:55:17.680,0:55:22.839
didn't care finally I think I actually I
0:55:21.200,0:55:24.680
remember exact sound I flipped to this
0:55:22.839,0:55:27.000
is after like 10 minutes of doing this
0:55:24.680,0:55:30.920
junk and watching this out out there at
0:55:27.000,0:55:33.119
like 600 yard I flipped over to uh Vol
0:55:30.920,0:55:37.119
squeaks and turned it up there at about
0:55:33.119,0:55:39.119
volume 35 and that coyote perks his ears
0:55:37.119,0:55:41.319
stands there and looks at straight at us
0:55:39.119,0:55:44.200
for like 15 seconds and then all a
0:55:41.319,0:55:46.599
sudden comes flying in and we shoot this
0:55:44.200,0:55:48.480
KY like 30 steps we had played pup
0:55:46.599,0:55:50.599
distresses we' howled at it we' played
0:55:48.480,0:55:53.319
Jack Rabbits we played cotton Tails play
0:55:50.599,0:55:54.079
all this junk switched to V squeaks here
0:55:53.319,0:55:56.039
he
0:55:54.079,0:55:58.079
comes you know it was just that sound
0:55:56.039,0:56:01.000
that finally triggered a response out of
0:55:58.079,0:56:03.319
him yeah you know getting back to you
0:56:01.000,0:56:06.200
saying that you know guys feel like this
0:56:03.319,0:56:07.920
is you know BS you know that those
0:56:06.200,0:56:11.119
triggers it's not what you're looking
0:56:07.920,0:56:13.119
for it's been proven you've done it you
0:56:11.119,0:56:15.240
guys talked about it so much on this
0:56:13.119,0:56:18.039
podcast with Tory cook you watch some of
0:56:15.240,0:56:19.640
Tory Cook's videos see how many sounds
0:56:18.039,0:56:22.319
he goes through to get a trigger
0:56:19.640,0:56:25.839
response it does happen guys it really
0:56:22.319,0:56:27.240
does yep yeah I I you know everybody has
0:56:25.839,0:56:29.280
their own calling Styles and I ain't
0:56:27.240,0:56:31.200
going to try to if you have success I'm
0:56:29.280,0:56:34.079
not going to try to steer you away from
0:56:31.200,0:56:35.839
from what you do uh but if you you know
0:56:34.079,0:56:38.240
if you're one of those guys ah all you
0:56:35.839,0:56:39.559
need is a rabbit just play the rabbit
0:56:38.240,0:56:41.720
all you need three different rabbit
0:56:39.559,0:56:43.920
sounds you kill every kyote in the world
0:56:41.720,0:56:45.400
well every cow in the world will come to
0:56:43.920,0:56:48.440
a rabbit sound but they might not come
0:56:45.400,0:56:50.920
to to a rabbit sound on any given day I
0:56:48.440,0:56:52.920
do think if you don't have a good
0:56:50.920,0:56:55.920
variety of sounds on Your Collar if
0:56:52.920,0:56:58.240
you're not evolving your sound sequences
0:56:55.920,0:57:01.200
through about the year running different
0:56:58.240,0:57:03.359
sounds at different times I do believe
0:57:01.200,0:57:06.200
that you are leaving Coyotes out there
0:57:03.359,0:57:08.039
in the field that you're not calling up
0:57:06.200,0:57:09.880
that you would have called up if you're
0:57:08.039,0:57:12.520
playing the right sounds and sound
0:57:09.880,0:57:14.240
sequences I agree and I love the rabbit
0:57:12.520,0:57:17.000
John that's one of my favorite things to
0:57:14.240,0:57:18.680
play but yep key key times of the year
0:57:17.000,0:57:21.400
you need to use different different
0:57:18.680,0:57:23.200
stuff I mean it's not that this time of
0:57:21.400,0:57:25.799
year we're in the summertime right now
0:57:23.200,0:57:27.760
talking about this podcast and and you
0:57:25.799,0:57:29.400
using a lot of vocals I know you really
0:57:27.760,0:57:31.680
like using a lot of vocals this time of
0:57:29.400,0:57:33.839
year and I do too I don't get out as
0:57:31.680,0:57:36.240
much as you do but man I love playing
0:57:33.839,0:57:38.280
the rabbit and you can kill them this on
0:57:36.240,0:57:41.400
rabbit this time of year but why would
0:57:38.280,0:57:43.359
you when vocals are you know what's hot
0:57:41.400,0:57:45.039
right now that right and then I can save
0:57:43.359,0:57:47.200
that rabbit for
0:57:45.039,0:57:49.240
October
0:57:47.200,0:57:52.240
absolutely I got one more I want to
0:57:49.240,0:57:56.640
cover here uh for a reason why you might
0:57:52.240,0:58:01.200
not be calling coyes and this reason is
0:57:56.640,0:58:03.960
the kyot or kyotes winded you before you
0:58:01.200,0:58:05.160
ever saw them now this can happen in two
0:58:03.960,0:58:07.480
different
0:58:05.160,0:58:09.640
ways one reason why you might not be
0:58:07.480,0:58:12.200
calling coyotes up if you're a new
0:58:09.640,0:58:14.599
Hunter if you're a new coyote caller if
0:58:12.200,0:58:16.440
you're not respecting the wind if you're
0:58:14.599,0:58:18.640
not hunting the wind if you're not
0:58:16.440,0:58:20.599
hunting with the wind in your favor if
0:58:18.640,0:58:22.880
you're making stands where you're wind
0:58:20.599,0:58:25.160
is blowing from you out to where a
0:58:22.880,0:58:26.880
coyote is you're not going to C call
0:58:25.160,0:58:30.319
those coyotes you're not going to get
0:58:26.880,0:58:33.760
them killed so wind is probably the
0:58:30.319,0:58:37.200
biggest number one factor and uh I kind
0:58:33.760,0:58:39.240
of Save The Best For Last it's because I
0:58:37.200,0:58:43.440
know we do have new Hunters that listen
0:58:39.240,0:58:45.599
to this and sometimes you know everybody
0:58:43.440,0:58:47.760
thinks that you know everybody knows how
0:58:45.599,0:58:49.839
to hunt the wind well sometimes people
0:58:47.760,0:58:51.559
just don't realize it how important the
0:58:49.839,0:58:53.520
wind is when it comes to kyot console
0:58:51.559,0:58:55.720
this is one thing we've got to cover
0:58:53.520,0:58:57.799
this is kind of Elementary but sometimes
0:58:55.720,0:58:59.880
this is just the the piece that that
0:58:57.799,0:59:02.440
justes doesn't click for a new Hunter
0:58:59.880,0:59:05.200
but you have got to respect the wind you
0:59:02.440,0:59:08.039
have got to hunt the wind and you cannot
0:59:05.200,0:59:10.000
fool a coyotes nose so one reason you
0:59:08.039,0:59:12.520
might not be calling coyotes is because
0:59:10.000,0:59:15.400
the coyotes might be winding you and
0:59:12.520,0:59:16.960
then the other part of this is you might
0:59:15.400,0:59:19.680
be hunting a location where you think
0:59:16.960,0:59:22.720
you've got the win perfect and little do
0:59:19.680,0:59:25.280
you know your coyotes are held up or
0:59:22.720,0:59:27.400
standing out there doing whatever on the
0:59:25.280,0:59:29.480
downwind side right where your wind is
0:59:27.400,0:59:31.079
blowing to unknowingly you might be
0:59:29.480,0:59:32.640
thinking the coyotes are over to your
0:59:31.079,0:59:34.079
left and that's where they're going to
0:59:32.640,0:59:35.799
come from but your coyotes are actually
0:59:34.079,0:59:38.960
go over to the right where your wind's
0:59:35.799,0:59:41.680
blowing yep yeah you gota you got to see
0:59:38.960,0:59:44.760
that downwind you got it's just that
0:59:41.680,0:59:48.319
needs to be a point where you're able to
0:59:44.760,0:59:49.119
swing your rifle comfortably downwind
0:59:48.319,0:59:50.839
because that's where they're going to
0:59:49.119,0:59:53.640
end up if they're you know if they're a
0:59:50.839,0:59:55.520
call Shy pressured kyot for sure like
0:59:53.640,0:59:57.000
what we've covered already you got a
0:59:55.520,0:59:58.920
pressured
0:59:57.000,1:00:00.359
that thinks about coming to the call
0:59:58.920,1:00:02.680
he's going to come down win ain't he
1:00:00.359,1:00:04.160
John that's exactly right and I can tell
1:00:02.680,1:00:06.920
you a really good story we've been good
1:00:04.160,1:00:09.119
at telling stories on this I got one for
1:00:06.920,1:00:12.720
St hey this is just from a couple weeks
1:00:09.119,1:00:15.200
ago maybe three weeks ago anyway um I
1:00:12.720,1:00:17.680
had Zach Dylan come down from the office
1:00:15.200,1:00:19.839
That's Mike Dylan's oldest son uh yeah
1:00:17.680,1:00:22.720
Zach's good dude came down we went to go
1:00:19.839,1:00:25.640
see your old buddy Mark the butcher
1:00:22.720,1:00:27.480
laice down in Tennessee we get down
1:00:25.640,1:00:29.520
there we've called a few coyotes there
1:00:27.480,1:00:31.240
might have been a couple misses going on
1:00:29.520,1:00:33.480
wasn't for me because I was running the
1:00:31.240,1:00:37.039
camera but we won't get into that but
1:00:33.480,1:00:39.839
anyway we get in on this beautiful stand
1:00:37.039,1:00:42.079
we walk in we're down in this little
1:00:39.839,1:00:44.039
dried up creek bed in a pasture field
1:00:42.079,1:00:46.640
it's got a few little trees dotted in it
1:00:44.039,1:00:48.720
set up there in the shade got this
1:00:46.640,1:00:50.799
Hillside out front of us kind of angled
1:00:48.720,1:00:53.160
to the right that's got a Big Thicket on
1:00:50.799,1:00:56.200
top of it and Mark said Co should be up
1:00:53.160,1:00:57.880
there I agree with him looks great set
1:00:56.200,1:01:00.280
the call out there we got a wind blowing
1:00:57.880,1:01:02.240
from right to left uh from our stand
1:01:00.280,1:01:04.079
location in accordance to where that
1:01:02.240,1:01:05.520
Thicket is up on top of the hill I said
1:01:04.079,1:01:07.720
man we going to burn them up right here
1:01:05.520,1:01:09.400
I said I went ahead and got you know
1:01:07.720,1:01:11.480
position where I can film these coow
1:01:09.400,1:01:13.680
circling out to the left to the downwind
1:01:11.480,1:01:16.400
right well we get to
1:01:13.680,1:01:19.200
calling Mark how Mark's running a call
1:01:16.400,1:01:21.599
he hows and we got a pair of coyot that
1:01:19.200,1:01:23.520
answered this but guess what didn't
1:01:21.599,1:01:26.440
answer from up top of the hill they kind
1:01:23.520,1:01:27.880
of answered out there to our left
1:01:26.440,1:01:29.960
not exactly
1:01:27.880,1:01:32.400
downwind but they didn't have to come
1:01:29.960,1:01:34.000
very far to get our wind we're sitting
1:01:32.400,1:01:36.480
there playing playing the call he goes
1:01:34.000,1:01:39.039
into pups distresses and stuff like that
1:01:36.480,1:01:41.079
and they're kind of looking out into
1:01:39.039,1:01:43.680
that pasture field over angled over that
1:01:41.079,1:01:45.200
way where the house came from and all a
1:01:43.680,1:01:47.079
sudden out the corner of my eye right
1:01:45.200,1:01:49.160
straight straight down that dried up
1:01:47.079,1:01:52.119
creek bed that we're sitting in I catch
1:01:49.160,1:01:55.000
a flash so I turn hard left guess what
1:01:52.119,1:01:56.960
it's a cout he's bounding right up that
1:01:55.000,1:02:00.000
Creek and and I tell the boy I said man
1:01:56.960,1:02:01.200
we got a we got a coyot coming and they
1:02:00.000,1:02:02.520
said where's it at I said it's right
1:02:01.200,1:02:04.359
down there to the left he's getting
1:02:02.520,1:02:06.279
close to getting our wind I'm pretty
1:02:04.359,1:02:07.839
sure well I'm watching him he comes
1:02:06.279,1:02:12.200
about another 40 yards and all of a
1:02:07.839,1:02:13.760
sudden he he stops turns and bolts away
1:02:12.200,1:02:15.000
I said you guys see him you see him you
1:02:13.760,1:02:17.319
see him cuz they probably could have
1:02:15.000,1:02:19.599
shot him I was actually filming him and
1:02:17.319,1:02:22.279
they never saw the cout kind of goes
1:02:19.599,1:02:23.960
right back to what we said before you
1:02:22.279,1:02:26.039
could be calling coyotes up that you
1:02:23.960,1:02:27.200
never seen and one of the reasons that
1:02:26.039,1:02:30.079
you don't see them is because they could
1:02:27.200,1:02:31.480
be cutting your wind before you know it
1:02:30.079,1:02:33.880
that was one of those situations where
1:02:31.480,1:02:35.559
Mark and Zach just didn't see the Cy I
1:02:33.880,1:02:37.920
got lucky where I did see it what
1:02:35.559,1:02:40.559
happened is he circled down there and
1:02:37.920,1:02:41.960
what a CO should do and cut our wi he
1:02:40.559,1:02:43.920
didn't have to come very far to get it
1:02:41.960,1:02:45.720
from where they H from and it was one of
1:02:43.920,1:02:48.039
those situations where I just got lucky
1:02:45.720,1:02:50.440
that I saw it but the other guys didn't
1:02:48.039,1:02:52.200
and uh you know it's it's there's two
1:02:50.440,1:02:54.319
reasons why you might not kill a coyote
1:02:52.200,1:02:57.000
in on the same stand they might be
1:02:54.319,1:02:59.359
winding you and you might not see him
1:02:57.000,1:03:01.960
cuz I saw the C and he could have been
1:02:59.359,1:03:03.520
killed but the other two guys didn't see
1:03:01.960,1:03:05.240
it and at the same time he got down
1:03:03.520,1:03:07.039
there and wined this as well so two
1:03:05.240,1:03:09.359
things happen right there that cause you
1:03:07.039,1:03:12.880
not to kill a c winning you and not
1:03:09.359,1:03:17.000
seeing him yep and that just to add as a
1:03:12.880,1:03:21.680
keynote on that John call placement you
1:03:17.000,1:03:24.760
know is key on downwind coyotes it is
1:03:21.680,1:03:27.440
for sure it's it's you really need to
1:03:24.760,1:03:30.440
think about your call placement when you
1:03:27.440,1:03:34.599
can't see your downwind real good yep
1:03:30.440,1:03:36.880
yep no straight up I mean that can uh
1:03:34.599,1:03:38.799
that can help you kill more Couts that
1:03:36.880,1:03:42.279
can make you give you better shot
1:03:38.799,1:03:44.400
opportunities there's endless Endless
1:03:42.279,1:03:45.880
Possibilities with with proper call
1:03:44.400,1:03:49.520
placement and I think we need to do we
1:03:45.880,1:03:50.920
can probably do a podcast that's on that
1:03:49.520,1:03:53.119
and we will do that in the future we'll
1:03:50.920,1:03:56.440
have you on for that Cory for
1:03:53.119,1:03:58.799
sure cool but hey I I think it pretty
1:03:56.440,1:04:01.319
much covers it that gave several reasons
1:03:58.799,1:04:03.760
right there on the question why am I not
1:04:01.319,1:04:06.240
calling coyotes there might not be
1:04:03.760,1:04:08.880
coyotes and earshot you might not be
1:04:06.240,1:04:12.079
close enough to your coyotes some stand
1:04:08.880,1:04:14.359
locations just don't work you're not
1:04:12.079,1:04:16.599
making a long enough coyote stand you
1:04:14.359,1:04:20.119
could be calling too close to a coyote
1:04:16.599,1:04:21.960
boundary you're calling coyotes that you
1:04:20.119,1:04:23.559
actually did not see there was coyotes
1:04:21.960,1:04:25.079
there but you just didn't see them you
1:04:23.559,1:04:27.760
could be bumping coyotes on your
1:04:25.079,1:04:29.599
approach they could be seeing your truck
1:04:27.760,1:04:32.599
or something like that that stands out
1:04:29.599,1:04:35.559
to them on their approach to the fox Pro
1:04:32.599,1:04:38.839
the list goes on and on I mean pressure
1:04:35.559,1:04:41.319
we just covered that that is so huge not
1:04:38.839,1:04:43.359
playing the right sounds sequences it to
1:04:41.319,1:04:45.680
trigger response and then the last one
1:04:43.359,1:04:47.720
we covered here was wind uh not hunting
1:04:45.680,1:04:49.039
the wind there's pretty good chance
1:04:47.720,1:04:51.480
you're not going to be calling too many
1:04:49.039,1:04:53.079
CS or they could just be you could be
1:04:51.480,1:04:55.000
doing everything right and just so
1:04:53.079,1:04:56.799
happened there was a cow down there that
1:04:55.000,1:05:00.119
was on the down inside that got a big
1:04:56.799,1:05:03.079
nose full of Cory grath or John Collins
1:05:00.119,1:05:04.680
or you know whoever but I've got three
1:05:03.079,1:05:06.000
little quick hit questions I want to ask
1:05:04.680,1:05:08.839
you here something a little bit
1:05:06.000,1:05:11.240
different uh just because I want to hear
1:05:08.839,1:05:14.559
your answers oh you're putting me on the
1:05:11.240,1:05:16.680
spot aren't you H not too bad it's about
1:05:14.559,1:05:18.319
sounds it's about sounds we always ask
1:05:16.680,1:05:20.599
everybody's favorite sounds and all that
1:05:18.319,1:05:22.000
type of stuff but I got three here I
1:05:20.599,1:05:24.000
want to ask and all of them are sound
1:05:22.000,1:05:25.440
related and you don't have to go in
1:05:24.000,1:05:28.079
nothing you know too depth if you don't
1:05:25.440,1:05:32.279
want too but uh it can just be a quick
1:05:28.079,1:05:34.200
answer deal um what's your favorite bird
1:05:32.279,1:05:37.559
distress
1:05:34.200,1:05:39.520
sound my favorite bird distress sound it
1:05:37.559,1:05:43.240
would have to
1:05:39.520,1:05:46.520
be it's a it's a woodpecker sound and I
1:05:43.240,1:05:49.160
think it's just a on the fox Pro Library
1:05:46.520,1:05:52.960
it's just straight woodpecker yep yep
1:05:49.160,1:05:55.200
yep no sound well that's probably and
1:05:52.960,1:05:57.279
and there's there's other bird sounds
1:05:55.200,1:06:00.599
that I probably would put right on top
1:05:57.279,1:06:04.559
of that uh goody Woody I haven't run
1:06:00.599,1:06:07.880
that sound enough to really put it above
1:06:04.559,1:06:10.160
straight woodpecker sound yeah from mfk
1:06:07.880,1:06:12.640
but it's I'm gonna be using it a lot
1:06:10.160,1:06:14.960
this year I used it a lot last year had
1:06:12.640,1:06:17.880
had a lot of great success with it but
1:06:14.960,1:06:20.240
yeah Woodpecker on the fox Pro library
1:06:17.880,1:06:23.680
is probably my favorite bird sound what
1:06:20.240,1:06:26.720
is your favorite coaxer
1:06:23.680,1:06:30.400
sound oh boy there's bunch of good ones
1:06:26.720,1:06:32.319
out there um man I'm gonna have to go
1:06:30.400,1:06:36.119
back to the
1:06:32.319,1:06:40.480
old the old Fox Pro
1:06:36.119,1:06:43.920
Library I'm a luscious lips oh
1:06:40.480,1:06:46.680
fan hey
1:06:43.920,1:06:50.119
nice you seem like you're a luscious
1:06:46.680,1:06:52.200
lips fan I'm telling you I like them lus
1:06:50.119,1:06:54.160
lips it's you know that's been a good
1:06:52.200,1:06:56.640
sound for me over the years it's one
1:06:54.160,1:06:59.119
that's way back you know in my bag of
1:06:56.640,1:07:02.880
tricks but I pull it out I don't use a
1:06:59.119,1:07:06.079
lot of coaers yep but that is one of my
1:07:02.880,1:07:07.640
go-to coer sounds luscious lits we don't
1:07:06.079,1:07:09.079
talk about coax or sounds and bird
1:07:07.640,1:07:10.760
distress sounds too much on here so I
1:07:09.079,1:07:15.039
want to ask you and I got one more for
1:07:10.760,1:07:18.400
you what is a non distress sound that
1:07:15.039,1:07:22.880
you occasionally play to add depth to
1:07:18.400,1:07:27.559
your stand that's not a coyot
1:07:22.880,1:07:31.960
vocal a non-distress sound that'll add
1:07:27.559,1:07:35.839
depth yeah boy you hung me up right
1:07:31.960,1:07:39.240
there maybe you don't do that I don't I
1:07:35.839,1:07:41.559
I don't think I do you never been on a
1:07:39.240,1:07:43.160
coow stand and mixed in some crows or
1:07:41.559,1:07:44.319
anything like that in with you rabbits
1:07:43.160,1:07:49.760
or nothing like
1:07:44.319,1:07:52.359
that I have I have done that but I'll be
1:07:49.760,1:07:55.039
honest I've not done that in in several
1:07:52.359,1:07:57.760
years we was and I should be we was in a
1:07:55.039,1:07:59.559
crow tournament back this winter yep and
1:07:57.760,1:08:01.680
we was calling you know calling crows
1:07:59.559,1:08:04.319
and hear this dang old cow come run up
1:08:01.680,1:08:06.640
there about 150 yards come right to the
1:08:04.319,1:08:09.520
crows you know and I should be but
1:08:06.640,1:08:11.480
that's you stun me right there and that
1:08:09.520,1:08:13.000
I get back to it sounds like well what
1:08:11.480,1:08:15.000
reminded me of it and I've done that in
1:08:13.000,1:08:16.759
the past I've played crows mixed in with
1:08:15.000,1:08:19.679
rabbits in the winter months and stuff
1:08:16.759,1:08:21.600
like that and I think it can add depth
1:08:19.679,1:08:22.799
uh to your stand especially if you're
1:08:21.600,1:08:23.759
hunting some of these places like we was
1:08:22.799,1:08:25.920
talking about earlier talking about
1:08:23.759,1:08:27.640
pressure you know I think it can make a
1:08:25.920,1:08:31.440
difference and we were on a couple
1:08:27.640,1:08:35.520
stands this past week with Levi and uh
1:08:31.440,1:08:37.319
he likes to play um kid goat distress he
1:08:35.520,1:08:39.279
plays it early in his stand it sounds
1:08:37.319,1:08:41.520
like a fawn if you ever play Fox proos
1:08:39.279,1:08:44.279
kid goat distress it's a great sound
1:08:41.520,1:08:47.640
call kyotes to it um it's what he likes
1:08:44.279,1:08:49.920
to play in place of fawns and stuff like
1:08:47.640,1:08:52.400
that but anyway when he would play kid
1:08:49.920,1:08:54.799
goat distress he would mix in mag
1:08:52.400,1:08:56.960
pies and uh he would just bump between
1:08:54.799,1:08:59.279
the two and it add just a little bit
1:08:56.960,1:09:01.159
extra volume of realism and guess what
1:08:59.279,1:09:02.640
you'd start have mag pies coming in and
1:09:01.159,1:09:04.560
they'd get to chirping and then once
1:09:02.640,1:09:06.440
they get there you just go straight to
1:09:04.560,1:09:09.520
straight kid goat distress and you look
1:09:06.440,1:09:10.960
up there'd be a Coy trotting in and you
1:09:09.520,1:09:12.560
know it's one of those things there's if
1:09:10.960,1:09:15.239
there's one thing that a coyot don't
1:09:12.560,1:09:17.480
like uh if he's got a a prey animal out
1:09:15.239,1:09:21.120
there crying he don't want no bird
1:09:17.480,1:09:23.880
eating on his juicy kid goat or his
1:09:21.120,1:09:25.520
juicy Fawn his his little tender rabbit
1:09:23.880,1:09:26.880
he don't want no bird eating on it he's
1:09:25.520,1:09:30.400
going to come in there and pick up the
1:09:26.880,1:09:33.279
pace and come there and have it all for
1:09:30.400,1:09:34.719
himself made that KY feel comfortable
1:09:33.279,1:09:37.400
comfortable that there was something
1:09:34.719,1:09:38.600
there yeah well you know it's h I
1:09:37.400,1:09:40.199
thought it was a good question they
1:09:38.600,1:09:41.839
don't get they don't never get talked
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about so anyway maybe you'll start
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playing some crows or something as
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fall well Cory appreciate you coming on
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I hope uh everybody's enjoyed this
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podcast this is give you guys something
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to think about if you're somebody at
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struggling or have times that do that
1:09:57.280,1:10:00.960
you do struggle and you get to wonder
1:09:58.679,1:10:02.560
why you're not calling CS we covered of
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several things here that could be the
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cause and there are several of these
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things that can be adjusted that could
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just be uh some bad habits or something
1:10:08.920,1:10:13.440
that you didn't think about that you can
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adjust and get back to the good on
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connell's cow up yeah absolutely sounds
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like we've covered it all on that that
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topic well you got anything you'd like
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to leave us with Corey we appreciate you
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coming on old buddy appreciate you
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having me John and thanks to everybody
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that you know Tunes in listen to this
1:10:29.760,1:10:34.320
podcast every week we get a very good
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report seems like once these podcasts
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come out and we appreciate that thank
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you guys for listening yes sir we hope
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everyone enjoyed this episode and we
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hope you join us again right here on the
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