The FOXPRO Podcast

EP.6: October Calling with Torry Cook

Episode Summary

Jon Collins and Torry Cook discuss the sounds and sound sequences that you need to be running for coyotes through October.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the Foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by Foxpro game calls

 

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hello everyone welcome back to the

 

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Foxpro podcast we are once again joined

 

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by Tory cook of mfk game calls what

 

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about a toy doing all right bud

 

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pretty good been busy I can't complain

 

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yeah I see y'all been fishing a little

 

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bit here lately

 

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well we were slaughtering them fish most

 

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of the summer and now both season right

 

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around the corner that's winding down

 

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and poles will be collecting dust till

 

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uh next spring I hear you I hear you I

 

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like to fish yeah but I'm 100 first I'm

 

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a Woodsman then a hunter and then

 

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fisherman takes up my slack time I got

 

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you I got you and throw some work in

 

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there in between yeah yeah that's the

 

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half two stuff there but I like it too

 

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blessed in that area

 

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you too did uh

 

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what would you tell me are supposed to

 

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be 99 degrees down there today

 

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yeah that's what they said this morning

 

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and it sure feels like it I think we

 

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told the listeners last time you and I

 

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both have a signal issues so I'm sitting

 

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on my heel and uh

 

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I'm talking to you out here in the

 

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sunshine with no shirt on I'm getting me

 

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a little sun-kissed because it's so hot

 

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hey well you look a lot better your

 

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shirt off when I do mine at least you're

 

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in shape yeah I'm just glad the breeze

 

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is blowing last time I talked to you I

 

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could sit in the truck with it with it

 

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uh killed and wasn't too bad but today

 

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is warm I got you I'd say with that uh

 

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Sun beating through a wind she'll be

 

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pretty rough but uh you know last time

 

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we had Tori on the podcast we discussed

 

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all the different coyote vocal

 

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categories of the mfk sound library and

 

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if you didn't catch it podcast you guys

 

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need to go back and listen to that all

 

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kinds of excellent info winner that you

 

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guys do not need to miss out on I mean

 

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it's just a great podcast go back and

 

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listen to it if you if you didn't catch

 

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it this episode's topic is going to be a

 

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lot more specific uh you know we've made

 

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it to fall just like Tori said and uh

 

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that's what we're going to be talking

 

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about talking about what to what the

 

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coyotes are doing right now and the

 

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sounds and sequences that you guys need

 

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to be running right now to be killing

 

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these coyotes uh Tori

 

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you know the coyotes are in a transition

 

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period right now and you get this you

 

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get to witness that firsthand with you

 

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raising these coyotes and stuff you want

 

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to tell us what's going on in a coyote's

 

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life right now

 

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well when you hit me up about doing this

 

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podcast for this time and I thought it

 

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was perfect because they are in such a

 

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change in transition time and what's

 

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taking place is all summer long we've

 

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had these family groups of ghosts that

 

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are real tight-knit well-bonded

 

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everything's right here together the

 

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adults and the pups are pretty close

 

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proximity and that's changing right now

 

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a couple of things are going on those

 

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those young pups shed their baby teeth

 

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and when they shed those baby teeth and

 

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put those big canines in the serious

 

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teeth that just that's a signal that

 

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everything's about to change and family

 

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bust up is in the early stages and so

 

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that's what's going on right now with

 

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the coats I'm watching that with them FK

 

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cows they're starting to spread out any

 

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of you that are hunting and listening to

 

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coyotes vocalize you're probably hearing

 

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some of that witnessing some of the cows

 

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to where you hear multiple goats but

 

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instead of them being right there on top

 

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of each other they've got some distance

 

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between them and there are some ways

 

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that we can really take advantage of

 

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that with the sounds we choose and the

 

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setup and kill multiple coats when you

 

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kill one on the stand a lot of times at

 

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other times of the year it's over with

 

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but right now it's a really good time to

 

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get those multiples and kill cerebral

 

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coats I know just from looking at your

 

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post John and then of course Greg

 

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Gallery serving people on Facebook

 

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anybody's been looking you're seeing

 

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those multiple kill

 

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I mean just a pile of people that are

 

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killing multiple goats and they're

 

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taking advantage of that family bust up

 

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time frame and it's kind of a

 

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short-lived deal too to where we've got

 

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the rest of this month and I would say

 

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pretty much the month of October and

 

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then that'll you know it'll start

 

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changing again right right yeah we're

 

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here we're here at the tail end of

 

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September uh of course this podcast when

 

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it's when it's out this is going to be

 

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like the first or second week of October

 

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but this is still you know the

 

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information we're giving you guys is

 

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still going to be hot and heavy and be

 

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uh uh and you know it'll play right in

 

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with the time of the year

 

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um and just like Tori said right now it

 

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is the time to be calling to catch those

 

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family groups because you know before

 

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not all coyotes were coming to the cause

 

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um right now every single coyote that's

 

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bit that's out there that's alive will

 

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get up and come to a assortment of

 

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different sounds is that correct Tori

 

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yeah yeah and I think there are some you

 

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know some specific sounds that you can

 

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kind of Base your sequence around one of

 

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those being those long pup piles those

 

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older age class pup fights and that the

 

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reason being is because of what we

 

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talked about just a minute ago those

 

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mainly your your pup groups they have a

 

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pecking order and they've been together

 

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all summer well now that is busting up

 

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and so those pups are no longer

 

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tolerating each other as well as they

 

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did so they're fighting a lot they're

 

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pushing each other away and I call it

 

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bust up instead of pup dispersal and I

 

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think that's something else good to

 

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touch on is I think some people get

 

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confused with

 

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family bust up and pump dispersal when

 

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pups actually disperse they're they're

 

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covering a lot of ground they're moving

 

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out right when family bust up takes

 

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place

 

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those cows are not leaving the area

 

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they're still in the same the adults and

 

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the pups are still in the same area they

 

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just have a little distance between them

 

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but it's not anything extreme you can

 

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still reach the ears of all those goats

 

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with your colon and because they are

 

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splitting up like that they still have a

 

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tendency to want to remain part of that

 

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family group so those long Clubhouse

 

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those pup fights those are the things

 

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that are taking place and a lot of the

 

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sounds that they're they're doing right

 

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now last night I stayed out two or three

 

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hours last night recording busted up

 

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hooks that were howling and they had two

 

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or three hundred yards between them

 

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right and it would get close to one and

 

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and get a recording or two off of them

 

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move to another one and if they get in

 

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close proximity of each other you

 

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usually have those pup fights take place

 

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right and so those are those are really

 

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good sounds to kind of you know make

 

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sure they're part of the sequence and

 

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then of course and I was a little slow

 

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on that post that I put up talking about

 

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family bust up and one thing it went

 

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ahead and triggered me I saw where you

 

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made the post that said first cow come

 

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to Rabbit you know of this of the season

 

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and that's the other type sound that

 

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people need to start

 

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you know making sure they're they're

 

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putting some of those prey sounds in

 

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their sequence along with those long pup

 

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piles and the pup fights just like that

 

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post a couple of those posts you made

 

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where you've got those I mentioned those

 

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pups are getting those new teeth they

 

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want to use it I mean they're growing

 

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those teeth for a reason it's they're

 

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busting up they're starting to fend for

 

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themselves they are

 

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functioning is individual independent

 

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codes right so and so that's where those

 

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prey distress sounds you know really

 

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come in because they're not good at it

 

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yet you know a lot of people think as

 

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soon as cows are born and they get out

 

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of the den they start running around

 

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killing everything right and that's not

 

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the case they're basically scavengers up

 

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until they get those teeth and the

 

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adults are supplying most of the food

 

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and they what what food they're catching

 

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is Grasshoppers and right berries you

 

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know stuff that's hard that's easy then

 

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berries don't run very fast so they're

 

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pretty good right yeah yeah grasshoppers

 

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liable to jump right on them so that's

 

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right that's right and give you guys

 

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some you know Tori was talking about

 

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post that he was saying like on Facebook

 

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and stuff guys

 

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follow

 

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follow the Foxpro Inc page follow the

 

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we're we're going to give you guys

 

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information on what we're seeing

 

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throughout the year because we've said

 

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this once before and it's worth saying

 

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again we want you guys to be successful

 

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so make sure you're following us because

 

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we're going to give you all the

 

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information we can to help you be

 

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successful out there in the field along

 

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with this podcast and uh you know just

 

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like Tori said

 

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he heard he saw that I was talking about

 

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a little bit of prey distress we've been

 

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extremely vocal heavy all Spring and

 

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Summer Long the coyotes that I hunt

 

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have not heard the first prey distress

 

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sound for me all summer except for just

 

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a little bit of fond of stress and the

 

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only time I run fond of stress is there

 

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are no summer months but just here a

 

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couple weeks ago decided to start mixing

 

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in a little bit of rabbit we played a

 

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little bit of cagey Cottontail played a

 

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little baby Cottontail when we started

 

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seeing coyotes respond to that in a in a

 

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pretty Dynamite way had some really

 

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positive call-ins with that and it's

 

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just something to mix into these

 

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sequences

 

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um

 

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Thor do you want to talk about

 

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um say a full sound sequence that's

 

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that's Dynamite for this type of year

 

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you know I can tell what I've been

 

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running uh you you can talk about like

 

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uh what you would be like if you were

 

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going this weekend what would you be

 

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playing

 

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well I would start changing from that

 

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summer sequence that I've ran up to this

 

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point but if I were going this weekend

 

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like I said I would be heavy with those

 

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long pup owls and the pup fights I'd

 

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stay with some of that social

 

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interaction stuff so just to give an

 

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example of say some specific sounds in a

 

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sequence I would I would open my stand

 

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with long pup House of some kind like

 

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bam long pup bougie whiny pup house uh

 

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little bee house some of those older age

 

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class long pups and I would probably use

 

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one or two different coats

 

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for example start with bam run a series

 

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wait a minute or two and answer with one

 

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of those other pups and because that's

 

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what they're doing right now they get

 

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separated and they will they will howl

 

0:10:41.399,0:10:45.360

and from there I would probably go right

 

0:10:43.800,0:10:47.640

into one of those social interaction

 

0:10:45.360,0:10:49.200

sounds like submissive Burger y'all have

 

0:10:47.640,0:10:51.540

heard me talk about it before it's just

 

0:10:49.200,0:10:54.120

a killer sound but any of those social

 

0:10:51.540,0:10:56.160

interaction sounds are good to follow

 

0:10:54.120,0:10:59.220

those profiles and I wouldn't be scared

 

0:10:56.160,0:11:01.380

to come right back around with uh

 

0:10:59.220,0:11:03.720

another series of Pub piles

 

0:11:01.380,0:11:05.160

and even makes a long adult aisle in

 

0:11:03.720,0:11:06.560

there too because you still have those

 

0:11:05.160,0:11:10.019

adults that are functioning as

 

0:11:06.560,0:11:12.779

satellites right in that area and then

 

0:11:10.019,0:11:15.720

go right too and at any point in there

 

0:11:12.779,0:11:17.820

I'm I'm more sporadic with my sequences

 

0:11:15.720,0:11:21.180

at that time of the year this time of

 

0:11:17.820,0:11:22.920

the year because I'm apt to mix a couple

 

0:11:21.180,0:11:24.959

two or three minutes of some type of

 

0:11:22.920,0:11:28.079

prey distress in right now because I

 

0:11:24.959,0:11:29.579

know that those long pups are starting

 

0:11:28.079,0:11:32.060

to catch of course your adults are

 

0:11:29.579,0:11:35.279

always at the trigger on it right so

 

0:11:32.060,0:11:36.959

mixing a couple of minutes of some of

 

0:11:35.279,0:11:40.440

the prey distress sounds whether that be

 

0:11:36.959,0:11:42.420

rabbit bird rodents I like those type

 

0:11:40.440,0:11:45.240

sounds

 

0:11:42.420,0:11:47.760

um I I actually favor the birds and

 

0:11:45.240,0:11:50.399

rodents over rabbit a lot of times but

 

0:11:47.760,0:11:52.920

uh but I will mix rabbit in right and

 

0:11:50.399,0:11:55.019

then I mix those uh those pup fights in

 

0:11:52.920,0:11:59.880

you know I'm gonna go to something like

 

0:11:55.019,0:12:03.360

some of those older age class pups uh

 

0:11:59.880,0:12:04.920

you know the table scraps is killer all

 

0:12:03.360,0:12:07.860

the time but it's a good one that's an

 

0:12:04.920,0:12:09.300

older age class food fight and but just

 

0:12:07.860,0:12:10.500

any of those pup fights and I'll

 

0:12:09.300,0:12:12.779

probably play two or three different

 

0:12:10.500,0:12:14.839

ones for two or three minutes and then

 

0:12:12.779,0:12:17.100

swap to another one right

 

0:12:14.839,0:12:18.899

and then of course I'm gonna end the

 

0:12:17.100,0:12:20.579

stand just like I would any other time

 

0:12:18.899,0:12:22.019

of the year I'm going to end it with

 

0:12:20.579,0:12:25.260

something like pound town right I mean

 

0:12:22.019,0:12:27.720

that just that's year year around I'm

 

0:12:25.260,0:12:29.880

gonna do something like that right but

 

0:12:27.720,0:12:31.740

um watch I tell you what I sure saw I

 

0:12:29.880,0:12:33.360

mean it was almost like a you flipped a

 

0:12:31.740,0:12:35.820

light switch uh you know we were in

 

0:12:33.360,0:12:38.760

Kansas a couple weeks ago

 

0:12:35.820,0:12:40.200

um the first hand we made we made we did

 

0:12:38.760,0:12:42.480

pup house

 

0:12:40.200,0:12:44.820

played a little bit of I think we played

 

0:12:42.480,0:12:47.459

uh submissive wines I think mfk sound

 

0:12:44.820,0:12:48.600

and I I was hunting with Jeff Ryder a

 

0:12:47.459,0:12:49.860

good friend of mine I looked over at

 

0:12:48.600,0:12:51.959

Jeff I said you reckon it's time to play

 

0:12:49.860,0:12:54.540

some rabbit he said pour it on it we hit

 

0:12:51.959,0:12:56.100

cagey Cottontail and within a minute we

 

0:12:54.540,0:12:58.740

had a hard charge and double ended up

 

0:12:56.100,0:13:00.420

killing both of those coyotes but uh the

 

0:12:58.740,0:13:02.339

rest of the trip we were noticing that

 

0:13:00.420,0:13:04.800

we were killing a bunch of singles we

 

0:13:02.339,0:13:07.200

killed singles for the next two days and

 

0:13:04.800,0:13:10.320

every coyote we killed was these great

 

0:13:07.200,0:13:12.180

big old old coyotes I'm talking about

 

0:13:10.320,0:13:14.100

hardly a tooth in her head if they had

 

0:13:12.180,0:13:15.660

teeth in her head you can see the roots

 

0:13:14.100,0:13:17.579

of their teeth I mean they were just old

 

0:13:15.660,0:13:18.959

coyotes and then when I come back home

 

0:13:17.579,0:13:21.060

to Kentucky

 

0:13:18.959,0:13:23.339

like I said it's just like that light

 

0:13:21.060,0:13:26.639

switch flipped we started killing more

 

0:13:23.339,0:13:28.380

doubles triples and we were seeing those

 

0:13:26.639,0:13:30.600

yearling coyotes

 

0:13:28.380,0:13:32.160

start responding really well

 

0:13:30.600,0:13:33.180

um and I'll just tell you right off the

 

0:13:32.160,0:13:35.639

I'll just go ahead and tell you guys

 

0:13:33.180,0:13:38.220

what my sequences has been for the last

 

0:13:35.639,0:13:40.620

couple weeks I think we've filmed this

 

0:13:38.220,0:13:43.680

month as of this morning I think we

 

0:13:40.620,0:13:45.060

filmed myself 16 coyotes being killed on

 

0:13:43.680,0:13:46.620

film so that's your day that they're

 

0:13:45.060,0:13:48.600

coming pretty good and I've been

 

0:13:46.620,0:13:51.959

starting out just with what Tori just

 

0:13:48.600,0:13:54.120

said I've been running either bam or Lil

 

0:13:51.959,0:13:56.339

B pup house that's what I start to sound

 

0:13:54.120,0:13:58.200

the standoff with I actually let that

 

0:13:56.339,0:14:00.720

them run out through their sequence

 

0:13:58.200,0:14:04.740

twice I'll let it run out

 

0:14:00.720,0:14:07.019

pause for maybe 20 or 30 seconds and

 

0:14:04.740,0:14:08.519

then I'll unmute the call and let it

 

0:14:07.019,0:14:10.680

Loop one more time

 

0:14:08.519,0:14:12.779

all them toss

 

0:14:10.680,0:14:14.339

and run a baby I'm running baby

 

0:14:12.779,0:14:15.959

Cottontail I just want that one little

 

0:14:14.339,0:14:18.420

bo squeaky cotton down I'm only running

 

0:14:15.959,0:14:20.339

for like two minutes and then I'm that's

 

0:14:18.420,0:14:23.459

when I'm going to transition over into

 

0:14:20.339,0:14:25.320

the uh the submissive beggar and sounds

 

0:14:23.459,0:14:26.639

like that Tori I'm just kind of like

 

0:14:25.320,0:14:28.459

trying to paint that picture like

 

0:14:26.639,0:14:31.920

there's a there's a yearling out there

 

0:14:28.459,0:14:33.720

fooling around it catches a rabbit and

 

0:14:31.920,0:14:35.760

then moment's buddies comes in one of

 

0:14:33.720,0:14:37.079

its litter mates and they start to scrap

 

0:14:35.760,0:14:38.639

around a little bit

 

0:14:37.079,0:14:39.899

and then after that that's when I'm

 

0:14:38.639,0:14:42.360

going into the fight so I'm just

 

0:14:39.899,0:14:44.699

painting that picture of what could be

 

0:14:42.360,0:14:46.079

going on this falling man I've I've just

 

0:14:44.699,0:14:49.079

some awesome colonies like I said

 

0:14:46.079,0:14:50.399

doubles triples and a lot of times these

 

0:14:49.079,0:14:51.959

coyotes are actually coming from two

 

0:14:50.399,0:14:53.579

different directions I'm not calling

 

0:14:51.959,0:14:55.560

them in together they're coming from all

 

0:14:53.579,0:14:58.260

over the place and it's just been some

 

0:14:55.560,0:15:01.680

some excellent calling here of late

 

0:14:58.260,0:15:03.360

and that that is a perfect example of

 

0:15:01.680,0:15:04.800

what we kind of touched on earlier and I

 

0:15:03.360,0:15:07.100

don't even know if we emphasized it

 

0:15:04.800,0:15:09.959

enough but that's a perfect example of

 

0:15:07.100,0:15:12.480

this time of the year and being able to

 

0:15:09.959,0:15:13.680

kill multiple coyotes on stand and like

 

0:15:12.480,0:15:15.600

you said they're coming from different

 

0:15:13.680,0:15:18.839

directions showing up at different times

 

0:15:15.600,0:15:20.940

so that's no accident it's because

 

0:15:18.839,0:15:22.680

family bust up is taking place and you

 

0:15:20.940,0:15:23.880

have multiple codes you know somebody

 

0:15:22.680,0:15:26.880

hadn't been in there and killed them and

 

0:15:23.880,0:15:29.279

they raised a decent decent litter then

 

0:15:26.880,0:15:31.380

there's potential for there to be as

 

0:15:29.279,0:15:34.500

many as you know four or five or more

 

0:15:31.380,0:15:36.899

coats in the area that you're calling

 

0:15:34.500,0:15:39.240

counting the adults and the pups so when

 

0:15:36.899,0:15:42.000

those pups are up big enough to come to

 

0:15:39.240,0:15:44.399

the call and on any sound now

 

0:15:42.000,0:15:45.540

and so that's something that

 

0:15:44.399,0:15:47.399

like I said I don't know if we

 

0:15:45.540,0:15:49.440

emphasized it enough while ago but when

 

0:15:47.399,0:15:50.760

people are set up and they call in that

 

0:15:49.440,0:15:53.459

first coat

 

0:15:50.760,0:15:56.279

don't get up and leave you need to keep

 

0:15:53.459,0:15:58.920

calling you need to run through those

 

0:15:56.279,0:16:01.019

other sounds and a lot of times

 

0:15:58.920,0:16:02.720

especially if you know that you're set

 

0:16:01.019,0:16:04.860

up in an area that has multiple codes

 

0:16:02.720,0:16:06.779

there's a really good chance that you're

 

0:16:04.860,0:16:10.260

going to call other coyotes the internet

 

0:16:06.779,0:16:13.380

you know very high odds because they are

 

0:16:10.260,0:16:14.820

busted up and located in different spots

 

0:16:13.380,0:16:16.920

you know you may have a coat within 100

 

0:16:14.820,0:16:18.720

yards of you and you kill that coyote as

 

0:16:16.920,0:16:20.100

soon as you set out right you may have

 

0:16:18.720,0:16:21.540

another one that's three or four hundred

 

0:16:20.100,0:16:23.880

yards out that takes a couple more

 

0:16:21.540,0:16:25.500

minutes to get to the call right but and

 

0:16:23.880,0:16:27.600

and that's really good because it does

 

0:16:25.500,0:16:29.639

allow you to to get into those doubles

 

0:16:27.600,0:16:32.100

triple squads stuff like that and gonna

 

0:16:29.639,0:16:34.800

be individual kills where you're

 

0:16:32.100,0:16:36.240

actually calling up single coats and

 

0:16:34.800,0:16:37.740

killing them one at a time but they're

 

0:16:36.240,0:16:39.060

all on the same stuff right and you're

 

0:16:37.740,0:16:41.399

you're a lot you're a lot you know

 

0:16:39.060,0:16:43.139

you're after kill those multiples when

 

0:16:41.399,0:16:45.480

you when it plays out like that and if

 

0:16:43.139,0:16:46.920

they all run in at one time but uh you

 

0:16:45.480,0:16:48.060

know that's and that's one thing one

 

0:16:46.920,0:16:50.399

thing worth mentioning I think we're

 

0:16:48.060,0:16:52.139

talking about the sequences I'm having

 

0:16:50.399,0:16:55.199

coyote show up

 

0:16:52.139,0:16:57.420

from start to finish you know I've had

 

0:16:55.199,0:17:00.300

coyote show up to just the pup house

 

0:16:57.420,0:17:02.519

I've had coyote show up to the rabbit

 

0:17:00.300,0:17:05.339

after we start playing a rabbit I've had

 

0:17:02.519,0:17:07.439

coyote show up uh to the to the

 

0:17:05.339,0:17:09.360

submissive sounds you know after we went

 

0:17:07.439,0:17:11.819

through the house through the rabbit

 

0:17:09.360,0:17:13.740

we'll start playing some music then they

 

0:17:11.819,0:17:15.059

charge in I don't know if those coyotes

 

0:17:13.740,0:17:17.520

are just taking that long to get there

 

0:17:15.059,0:17:19.500

or if that's just what finally triggered

 

0:17:17.520,0:17:20.880

them to come on in then of course just

 

0:17:19.500,0:17:22.860

like Tori was talking about we finished

 

0:17:20.880,0:17:24.720

with a couple fights

 

0:17:22.860,0:17:26.220

um and like I said killing them from the

 

0:17:24.720,0:17:28.199

start of the stand

 

0:17:26.220,0:17:30.179

towards the end of this hand and one

 

0:17:28.199,0:17:31.140

cool thing is like like Tori is talking

 

0:17:30.179,0:17:34.380

about

 

0:17:31.140,0:17:36.240

one coyote might get there early keep

 

0:17:34.380,0:17:39.360

calling in another one or two coyotes

 

0:17:36.240,0:17:40.679

come in later on but one thing like this

 

0:17:39.360,0:17:42.840

morning I thought it was the craziest

 

0:17:40.679,0:17:44.340

thing we actually killed a double and

 

0:17:42.840,0:17:48.539

had coyotes come from two different

 

0:17:44.340,0:17:50.340

directions but they emerged one emerged

 

0:17:48.539,0:17:51.600

out of one ticket to the left the other

 

0:17:50.340,0:17:53.880

one emerged to have a Thicket to the

 

0:17:51.600,0:17:55.559

right at almost simultaneously I'm

 

0:17:53.880,0:17:57.660

talking about within seconds each other

 

0:17:55.559,0:17:58.799

and showed up to the call within seconds

 

0:17:57.660,0:18:01.020

each other it was the craziest thing

 

0:17:58.799,0:18:02.400

I've ever seen it's like whatever we

 

0:18:01.020,0:18:05.039

played in that sequence it made them

 

0:18:02.400,0:18:07.440

trigger that's that's just how they

 

0:18:05.039,0:18:09.000

showed up and that's what made them drew

 

0:18:07.440,0:18:09.900

them to the call

 

0:18:09.000,0:18:12.840

yeah

 

0:18:09.900,0:18:14.760

and you were talking about uh this will

 

0:18:12.840,0:18:16.140

relate some to everything we've been

 

0:18:14.760,0:18:18.000

talking about you asked me right off the

 

0:18:16.140,0:18:20.880

bat what the coyotes are doing right now

 

0:18:18.000,0:18:24.660

so I'll just give you an exact example

 

0:18:20.880,0:18:26.900

of the six pups that I raised this

 

0:18:24.660,0:18:30.840

summer and that's going to be Fireball

 

0:18:26.900,0:18:33.059

uh big girl hoodlum little Haven Dempsey

 

0:18:30.840,0:18:36.120

and flip-flop those are the six coats

 

0:18:33.059,0:18:37.500

well they've been a tight group the

 

0:18:36.120,0:18:39.539

whole time with the exceptional

 

0:18:37.500,0:18:41.340

flip-flop which was a crippled coat they

 

0:18:39.539,0:18:43.140

kicked her out right off the bat but she

 

0:18:41.340,0:18:45.240

just stayed in the proximity of the

 

0:18:43.140,0:18:47.580

other ones you know she stays within

 

0:18:45.240,0:18:49.620

three 400 yards of the rest of the group

 

0:18:47.580,0:18:51.960

now they jump all over and just whoop

 

0:18:49.620,0:18:54.480

her beat her down right if she gets

 

0:18:51.960,0:18:56.160

close to them and she avoids them but

 

0:18:54.480,0:18:58.080

the rest of the group the other five

 

0:18:56.160,0:19:00.120

have stayed together all the way up

 

0:18:58.080,0:19:01.860

until they shed their teeth grew those

 

0:19:00.120,0:19:04.620

other ones in a couple weeks ago this

 

0:19:01.860,0:19:06.900

started and they started fighting pretty

 

0:19:04.620,0:19:10.200

heavy well since then what was odd is

 

0:19:06.900,0:19:11.220

Dempsey was the he was the top pecking

 

0:19:10.200,0:19:12.660

order pup

 

0:19:11.220,0:19:14.880

well the other ones kind of jumped on

 

0:19:12.660,0:19:17.520

him and ganged up on him and pushed him

 

0:19:14.880,0:19:18.900

out so he's now separated he's staying

 

0:19:17.520,0:19:21.299

by himself

 

0:19:18.900,0:19:22.620

um he's still in all of these cows are

 

0:19:21.299,0:19:24.840

still within a quarter mile of each

 

0:19:22.620,0:19:26.600

other but it's broken down to where our

 

0:19:24.840,0:19:28.799

flip-flop is an individual coat

 

0:19:26.600,0:19:32.400

Dempsey's an individual

 

0:19:28.799,0:19:36.960

uh they just pushed a little Heathen out

 

0:19:32.400,0:19:39.179

and then uh Fireball hoodlum and big

 

0:19:36.960,0:19:42.419

girl are still a group of three really

 

0:19:39.179,0:19:45.299

so that's kind of a breakdown on how

 

0:19:42.419,0:19:47.640

family the family group takes place and

 

0:19:45.299,0:19:49.919

I can already tell that hoodlum's going

 

0:19:47.640,0:19:51.840

to be the next to go I mean they're you

 

0:19:49.919,0:19:53.280

just see those three coyotes yeah he's

 

0:19:51.840,0:19:55.980

he's already

 

0:19:53.280,0:19:57.840

you know the what and what's odd about

 

0:19:55.980,0:19:59.160

that is the two coats that are doing

 

0:19:57.840,0:20:01.020

that are whooping everybody or the two

 

0:19:59.160,0:20:03.240

smallest ones which is the female pup

 

0:20:01.020,0:20:05.039

and and the little male which is

 

0:20:03.240,0:20:07.620

Fireball he's the most aggressive pup

 

0:20:05.039,0:20:08.940

but they are pushing those other ones

 

0:20:07.620,0:20:11.760

out and

 

0:20:08.940,0:20:13.679

so right now there's typically anywhere

 

0:20:11.760,0:20:15.900

from like I said there's about a quarter

 

0:20:13.679,0:20:18.600

mile stretch between

 

0:20:15.900,0:20:22.260

the farthest single pup

 

0:20:18.600,0:20:24.480

and the rest of them so you know if you

 

0:20:22.260,0:20:26.220

think about that if you go in and and

 

0:20:24.480,0:20:28.020

make a stand

 

0:20:26.220,0:20:29.520

and let's just say you hit it to where

 

0:20:28.020,0:20:30.780

you know let's say you located those

 

0:20:29.520,0:20:32.580

couch or you knew they were there and

 

0:20:30.780,0:20:34.679

you were sitting about middle ways and

 

0:20:32.580,0:20:36.539

had a good win for all of them look at

 

0:20:34.679,0:20:38.400

the potential that you have for calling

 

0:20:36.539,0:20:40.740

in couch right there right you know

 

0:20:38.400,0:20:42.419

you've got you're going to have multiple

 

0:20:40.740,0:20:45.240

singles

 

0:20:42.419,0:20:48.360

and you know then that that group of

 

0:20:45.240,0:20:51.900

three so perfect you know perfect storm

 

0:20:48.360,0:20:54.840

for to pile up the coyotes right and

 

0:20:51.900,0:20:57.480

with them scattered out like they are

 

0:20:54.840,0:21:00.480

you know whichever one comes in first

 

0:20:57.480,0:21:01.860

you know the way that they move to the

 

0:21:00.480,0:21:03.660

call and all that you're not hurting

 

0:21:01.860,0:21:06.840

anything when you you know when you

 

0:21:03.660,0:21:08.760

shoot and then swap to another sound uh

 

0:21:06.840,0:21:12.179

I'm sure you saw Greg's post the other

 

0:21:08.760,0:21:13.440

day he killed five yeah and I was

 

0:21:12.179,0:21:16.380

reading through the field the whole

 

0:21:13.440,0:21:18.299

village yeah and it was pretty much I

 

0:21:16.380,0:21:19.860

think that was pretty much individual

 

0:21:18.299,0:21:21.240

call-ins

 

0:21:19.860,0:21:23.760

own

 

0:21:21.240,0:21:26.400

on one stand yeah where he killed five

 

0:21:23.760,0:21:28.740

cows but it was you know he'd play a

 

0:21:26.400,0:21:30.960

sound kill a cow he just kept sitting

 

0:21:28.740,0:21:32.220

there and it was all pup piles and then

 

0:21:30.960,0:21:34.620

I think he went to put fights right

 

0:21:32.220,0:21:37.440

there at the end yeah and so it's just

 

0:21:34.620,0:21:39.360

that's not that's not an accident no I

 

0:21:37.440,0:21:41.460

know you can call up coyotes

 

0:21:39.360,0:21:43.260

any time of the year on any sound but

 

0:21:41.460,0:21:45.659

it's not an accident that those pull

 

0:21:43.260,0:21:48.059

piles pup fights and your prey distress

 

0:21:45.659,0:21:49.860

is starting to work so well and the

 

0:21:48.059,0:21:51.840

examples you gave and then a couple of

 

0:21:49.860,0:21:54.179

those that we were just talking about

 

0:21:51.840,0:21:56.880

uh people need to keep that in mind

 

0:21:54.179,0:21:59.280

while they're you know while they're

 

0:21:56.880,0:22:01.980

calling and don't get hung up either on

 

0:21:59.280,0:22:05.400

you know if you're running club house

 

0:22:01.980,0:22:07.620

and pump fights and you're calling

 

0:22:05.400,0:22:09.840

coyotes and then all of a sudden that

 

0:22:07.620,0:22:11.700

stops it's it may be because you're not

 

0:22:09.840,0:22:13.620

mixing enough prey distress in there or

 

0:22:11.700,0:22:15.659

vice versa you're running prey distress

 

0:22:13.620,0:22:17.880

and you're not calling them then maybe

 

0:22:15.659,0:22:20.100

you need to be a little more you know

 

0:22:17.880,0:22:21.960

focus a little more add some Club tiles

 

0:22:20.100,0:22:24.360

in there if you don't already have that

 

0:22:21.960,0:22:25.799

structure with your sequence well let me

 

0:22:24.360,0:22:28.080

ask you about that when do you think

 

0:22:25.799,0:22:29.700

we'll see another transition in the

 

0:22:28.080,0:22:33.179

coyotes referring to their their

 

0:22:29.700,0:22:35.159

behavior uh and how they be acting over

 

0:22:33.179,0:22:36.720

say you know we're talking about this

 

0:22:35.159,0:22:39.360

should be working all the way up through

 

0:22:36.720,0:22:41.640

October when do you see the next

 

0:22:39.360,0:22:44.039

transition when the coyote Behavior will

 

0:22:41.640,0:22:45.960

start to to move again to maybe that

 

0:22:44.039,0:22:47.039

actual dispersal period that you were

 

0:22:45.960,0:22:50.580

mentioning

 

0:22:47.039,0:22:52.140

but with every day that passes you know

 

0:22:50.580,0:22:54.539

those those couch still have that

 

0:22:52.140,0:22:56.880

tendency as they're getting busted up

 

0:22:54.539,0:23:00.120

they still have that tendency to want to

 

0:22:56.880,0:23:02.520

reunite and so they it's a gradual kind

 

0:23:00.120,0:23:04.980

of a slow gradual process to where they

 

0:23:02.520,0:23:08.340

actually quit doing that and I think

 

0:23:04.980,0:23:10.080

that runs through to keep it simple I

 

0:23:08.340,0:23:12.600

think you could say going through

 

0:23:10.080,0:23:15.360

October you can expect what we're

 

0:23:12.600,0:23:17.820

talking about right now and then it's

 

0:23:15.360,0:23:20.820

it's a more of a slight transition to

 

0:23:17.820,0:23:23.280

where I believe your your family bust up

 

0:23:20.820,0:23:24.840

is leaning more towards pup dispersal

 

0:23:23.280,0:23:26.700

and some pups don't disperse for two

 

0:23:24.840,0:23:29.460

years I mean they'll stay in that area

 

0:23:26.700,0:23:31.380

for you know their full first year and

 

0:23:29.460,0:23:33.000

it'll be into the second you know going

 

0:23:31.380,0:23:37.280

into their second year before they

 

0:23:33.000,0:23:40.799

actually disperse right so

 

0:23:37.280,0:23:43.020

but if you back up to that tail end of

 

0:23:40.799,0:23:46.200

October I think the bulk of your pups

 

0:23:43.020,0:23:48.240

and the bulk of your family group have

 

0:23:46.200,0:23:50.039

started acting as individuals by that

 

0:23:48.240,0:23:52.260

time of the year so basically going into

 

0:23:50.039,0:23:54.179

November you start getting a lot of

 

0:23:52.260,0:23:57.000

coats that are functioning as

 

0:23:54.179,0:23:59.280

individuals your parent haven't started

 

0:23:57.000,0:24:01.559

yet family bust up has pretty well taken

 

0:23:59.280,0:24:04.679

place most of your coats are functioning

 

0:24:01.559,0:24:05.760

on their own and so I think that's when

 

0:24:04.679,0:24:08.460

you see

 

0:24:05.760,0:24:10.200

another transition is not as big a

 

0:24:08.460,0:24:13.140

transition but I think that's when your

 

0:24:10.200,0:24:16.799

prey distress sounds really start coming

 

0:24:13.140,0:24:20.299

more towards the front and become more

 

0:24:16.799,0:24:22.919

uh the basics of a sequence

 

0:24:20.299,0:24:24.299

for a couple of reasons one being for

 

0:24:22.919,0:24:25.440

what we're talking about with coyotes

 

0:24:24.299,0:24:28.980

but two

 

0:24:25.440,0:24:30.600

because in most areas like bobcat and

 

0:24:28.980,0:24:32.640

fox season have already opened here they

 

0:24:30.600,0:24:35.340

opened September 1st so a lot of

 

0:24:32.640,0:24:37.260

Predator Hunters are not only I know you

 

0:24:35.340,0:24:38.640

uh you and Corey Groff talk about it on

 

0:24:37.260,0:24:39.960

the earlier podcast that's another one

 

0:24:38.640,0:24:42.659

people ought to check out some really

 

0:24:39.960,0:24:44.520

good stuff on bobcats in that one but

 

0:24:42.659,0:24:45.900

there are a lot of Predator Hunters that

 

0:24:44.520,0:24:47.700

are not only

 

0:24:45.900,0:24:50.580

they're not going to be focused solely

 

0:24:47.700,0:24:52.500

on coyotes anymore right and so you hit

 

0:24:50.580,0:24:54.419

that time frame where family bust up

 

0:24:52.500,0:24:56.820

with the coyotes is has pretty well

 

0:24:54.419,0:24:59.940

taken place people are starting to look

 

0:24:56.820,0:25:01.919

at at all predators as a as an

 

0:24:59.940,0:25:04.580

opportunity when they're on stand so I

 

0:25:01.919,0:25:07.559

think that's when we see the next

 

0:25:04.580,0:25:09.600

transition and change to where you know

 

0:25:07.559,0:25:12.000

maybe we're opening stands with

 

0:25:09.600,0:25:14.940

prejudice Chris or we're running more

 

0:25:12.000,0:25:17.100

prey distress during our stand right I'm

 

0:25:14.940,0:25:19.200

not saying I run vocals year round but

 

0:25:17.100,0:25:21.659

prey distress becomes a part of yourself

 

0:25:19.200,0:25:23.640

more of a yeah and I move it towards the

 

0:25:21.659,0:25:26.100

front of the sequence I start focusing

 

0:25:23.640,0:25:29.220

on prey distress especially if they're a

 

0:25:26.100,0:25:31.919

fox or bobcat in the area yep and you

 

0:25:29.220,0:25:34.679

know it just becomes a bigger part of it

 

0:25:31.919,0:25:37.440

and I think that's where I'm better off

 

0:25:34.679,0:25:40.200

to flip the script on you and instead of

 

0:25:37.440,0:25:42.720

you interviewing me flip this around and

 

0:25:40.200,0:25:45.179

ask you you know what when we swap over

 

0:25:42.720,0:25:47.940

to prey distress and I like to tell

 

0:25:45.179,0:25:51.059

people the truth I don't I don't like to

 

0:25:47.940,0:25:52.559

BS people any kind of way at mfk we've

 

0:25:51.059,0:25:54.000

got some some really good prey distress

 

0:25:52.559,0:25:56.279

sounds some of those yellow Hammer

 

0:25:54.000,0:25:58.740

sounds bird sounds yes that I've

 

0:25:56.279,0:26:00.720

recorded I mean their actual prey

 

0:25:58.740,0:26:02.520

distress sounds caused by the coats

 

0:26:00.720,0:26:04.679

they're great sounds I've got a handful

 

0:26:02.520,0:26:06.900

of good prey distress sounds

 

0:26:04.679,0:26:10.080

but if I'm going to tell y'all the truth

 

0:26:06.900,0:26:13.080

this is where y'all need to y'all need

 

0:26:10.080,0:26:15.779

to be running those prey sounds out of

 

0:26:13.080,0:26:17.700

that Foxpro library because nobody has a

 

0:26:15.779,0:26:21.720

better prey distress Library than Foxpro

 

0:26:17.700,0:26:25.140

has that's just the truth and you know

 

0:26:21.720,0:26:27.120

those sounds better than I do so when we

 

0:26:25.140,0:26:28.799

get to that time of the year

 

0:26:27.120,0:26:31.620

what are you going to what are you going

 

0:26:28.799,0:26:33.900

to play oh you know and that that Tori

 

0:26:31.620,0:26:36.059

is so right with that and and the thing

 

0:26:33.900,0:26:38.179

is we've got the two best sound

 

0:26:36.059,0:26:41.220

libraries that a predator Hunter can use

 

0:26:38.179,0:26:43.080

you're you're crazy not to mix them you

 

0:26:41.220,0:26:44.640

know you've got they're there for you to

 

0:26:43.080,0:26:47.279

use take advantage of it mix those

 

0:26:44.640,0:26:50.400

sounds you know run mfk stuff with the

 

0:26:47.279,0:26:52.740

Foxpro stuff Tori just talked about you

 

0:26:50.400,0:26:55.679

know the mfk sounds the coyote vocals

 

0:26:52.740,0:26:57.679

are the stronger of the libraries

 

0:26:55.679,0:27:00.059

our prey district and the fox Pro

 

0:26:57.679,0:27:02.580

prestrial Sounds are really Stout

 

0:27:00.059,0:27:04.080

especially the rabbit sounds and that's

 

0:27:02.580,0:27:05.820

one of the things the fall goes on

 

0:27:04.080,0:27:07.559

that's what I usually start doing I'm a

 

0:27:05.820,0:27:10.440

I'm a big rabbit guy I love rabbit

 

0:27:07.559,0:27:12.480

distresses I start using more and more

 

0:27:10.440,0:27:14.220

rabbit distresses as the fall goes on

 

0:27:12.480,0:27:16.440

instead of just playing two minutes of

 

0:27:14.220,0:27:18.720

baby Cottontail I might start playing

 

0:27:16.440,0:27:20.880

four to six minutes of cagey Cottontail

 

0:27:18.720,0:27:22.679

and then when cagey cocktails at the end

 

0:27:20.880,0:27:25.380

of that four to six minutes I might

 

0:27:22.679,0:27:27.720

pause and then start up a eastern

 

0:27:25.380,0:27:30.059

cottontail or or some other one the

 

0:27:27.720,0:27:31.799

Cottontail sounds or Jackrabbit sounds

 

0:27:30.059,0:27:34.500

from PAW Patrol I'll play up to eight to

 

0:27:31.799,0:27:36.720

ten minutes worth of uh of rabbit sounds

 

0:27:34.500,0:27:39.620

in my sequences throughout the fall like

 

0:27:36.720,0:27:42.480

like Tori said I'm still playing

 

0:27:39.620,0:27:45.480

the the house the fights the pup

 

0:27:42.480,0:27:47.760

distresses and stuff but the prey

 

0:27:45.480,0:27:49.679

distress really comes in pretty heavy as

 

0:27:47.760,0:27:51.960

well and sometimes heavier than the

 

0:27:49.679,0:27:53.700

coyote vocals and I've always said you

 

0:27:51.960,0:27:55.260

know just to go right off Tories what

 

0:27:53.700,0:27:57.360

Tori said about the prey distress sounds

 

0:27:55.260,0:28:02.159

from Fox Pro I've said this numerous

 

0:27:57.360,0:28:04.740

times if if you cannot find a handful

 

0:28:02.159,0:28:07.500

of fox Pro prey distress sounds that

 

0:28:04.740,0:28:09.120

work for you it's not the sounds or the

 

0:28:07.500,0:28:10.860

collar it's something else that you're

 

0:28:09.120,0:28:13.140

doing it ain't right because they are

 

0:28:10.860,0:28:15.539

they are money you need to be running

 

0:28:13.140,0:28:17.880

them I'm talking about dozens upon

 

0:28:15.539,0:28:21.299

dozens of these sounds that will produce

 

0:28:17.880,0:28:24.720

hard Chargers of coyotes foxes and

 

0:28:21.299,0:28:26.820

bobcats so definitely be uh definitely

 

0:28:24.720,0:28:30.000

be mixing those two libraries like I

 

0:28:26.820,0:28:33.179

said the mfk vocals are so Stout

 

0:28:30.000,0:28:34.860

undeniably the best in the business best

 

0:28:33.179,0:28:36.419

available out there you definitely need

 

0:28:34.860,0:28:39.120

to be running them and when it comes to

 

0:28:36.419,0:28:40.799

prey distress side do not shy away from

 

0:28:39.120,0:28:43.799

the fox Pro prey distress hands because

 

0:28:40.799,0:28:45.419

they are absolute money

 

0:28:43.799,0:28:47.400

yeah and that while you were talking

 

0:28:45.419,0:28:49.679

about that that made me think of another

 

0:28:47.400,0:28:52.620

another point you know we kind of put a

 

0:28:49.679,0:28:54.120

a time frame on when that stuff starts

 

0:28:52.620,0:28:56.340

up when we're going to run more prey

 

0:28:54.120,0:28:59.220

distress and I think that's a good you

 

0:28:56.340,0:29:01.980

know General time frame but

 

0:28:59.220,0:29:04.020

something people should do is and and we

 

0:29:01.980,0:29:05.480

talked about it on previous podcasts

 

0:29:04.020,0:29:07.740

I've heard you mention it multiple times

 

0:29:05.480,0:29:09.659

if you're running something and it's

 

0:29:07.740,0:29:11.580

working let's say you're running long

 

0:29:09.659,0:29:14.100

pup piles and pup fights and they're

 

0:29:11.580,0:29:15.659

coming to it and November hits and

 

0:29:14.100,0:29:18.179

you're still calling cows up on that

 

0:29:15.659,0:29:19.260

don't just Swap and start running prey

 

0:29:18.179,0:29:21.419

distress

 

0:29:19.260,0:29:24.000

right keep running what you're running

 

0:29:21.419,0:29:26.039

it's working but let's flip that and say

 

0:29:24.000,0:29:28.380

all right you're running that and it had

 

0:29:26.039,0:29:29.940

November hadn't hit yet and they quit

 

0:29:28.380,0:29:31.500

coming to that stuff even if it was

 

0:29:29.940,0:29:33.539

right now

 

0:29:31.500,0:29:35.640

start changing your sequence start

 

0:29:33.539,0:29:37.380

adding those prey distress sounds in our

 

0:29:35.640,0:29:39.840

vice versa if you're running the prey

 

0:29:37.380,0:29:42.179

flip it and add those pup piles and pup

 

0:29:39.840,0:29:43.860

fights you know if if you're not calling

 

0:29:42.179,0:29:45.720

stuff up

 

0:29:43.860,0:29:48.000

like you just like John just said it's

 

0:29:45.720,0:29:50.460

not the sounds

 

0:29:48.000,0:29:52.140

it's what you're doing with the sounds

 

0:29:50.460,0:29:53.760

and the sounds you're choosing at that

 

0:29:52.140,0:29:56.880

time of the year you can have a sound

 

0:29:53.760,0:29:59.580

like whatever the sound may be that's

 

0:29:56.880,0:30:01.620

killer today and all of a sudden that

 

0:29:59.580,0:30:03.179

sound quit working tomorrow and you need

 

0:30:01.620,0:30:05.480

to swap to something else that sound

 

0:30:03.179,0:30:08.580

will come back around and work again but

 

0:30:05.480,0:30:09.960

uh I hate that sometimes people get and

 

0:30:08.580,0:30:11.460

I know you deal with this talking to

 

0:30:09.960,0:30:13.880

people in messages and stuff they want

 

0:30:11.460,0:30:15.679

that that business

 

0:30:13.880,0:30:18.779

what's your best

 

0:30:15.679,0:30:20.940

and time frame you know if you say well

 

0:30:18.779,0:30:23.580

November you need to start running

 

0:30:20.940,0:30:24.899

prey distress sounds right that's just I

 

0:30:23.580,0:30:26.220

want people to know that's just a

 

0:30:24.899,0:30:29.100

generalized

 

0:30:26.220,0:30:29.940

idea of when you need to start thinking

 

0:30:29.100,0:30:31.679

about

 

0:30:29.940,0:30:34.500

you know doing stuff like that but don't

 

0:30:31.679,0:30:36.419

just change uh something that's working

 

0:30:34.500,0:30:37.799

and if something's not working then you

 

0:30:36.419,0:30:40.140

need to go ahead and change it yeah

 

0:30:37.799,0:30:42.779

that's exactly right and and just to

 

0:30:40.140,0:30:44.700

kind of add to that I'll keep running

 

0:30:42.779,0:30:46.559

the sequence that I'm running now with

 

0:30:44.700,0:30:48.360

uh with the house pray distress

 

0:30:46.559,0:30:50.220

submissive then fights I'm gonna keep

 

0:30:48.360,0:30:54.600

running that till I start to see it

 

0:30:50.220,0:30:57.059

slack off you know what will dictate me

 

0:30:54.600,0:30:59.700

running my prey distress sounds longer

 

0:30:57.059,0:31:01.679

as soon as I start seeing more call-ins

 

0:30:59.700,0:31:03.779

that actually come charging into when I

 

0:31:01.679,0:31:05.399

do play that rabbit I'll probably start

 

0:31:03.779,0:31:06.419

stretching that rabbit out a little bit

 

0:31:05.399,0:31:07.679

like you know like right now I'm playing

 

0:31:06.419,0:31:09.360

it for like two minutes

 

0:31:07.679,0:31:10.919

you know if I start seeing a bunch of

 

0:31:09.360,0:31:12.539

coyotes start showing up to the rabbit

 

0:31:10.919,0:31:14.340

sounds it'll start being like four

 

0:31:12.539,0:31:16.620

minutes then it'll probably start being

 

0:31:14.340,0:31:18.960

six minutes and then so on and so on

 

0:31:16.620,0:31:21.960

especially just like uh Tori said about

 

0:31:18.960,0:31:24.299

about bobcats and stuff when my Bobcat

 

0:31:21.960,0:31:26.340

season gets here I want to be very prey

 

0:31:24.299,0:31:28.140

heavy and especially if I think I got a

 

0:31:26.340,0:31:29.640

bobcat hold up in a ticket in a head of

 

0:31:28.140,0:31:31.620

a holler or something you best believe

 

0:31:29.640,0:31:33.059

probably the first three sounds that

 

0:31:31.620,0:31:36.539

come out my collar is going to be some

 

0:31:33.059,0:31:38.039

form of prey distress uh yeah and like

 

0:31:36.539,0:31:39.539

you said when you start seeing them

 

0:31:38.039,0:31:40.919

let's say you're running you know you're

 

0:31:39.539,0:31:42.299

running right the sequence you're

 

0:31:40.919,0:31:43.860

running right now if you're running that

 

0:31:42.299,0:31:45.600

rabbit distress Midway through the

 

0:31:43.860,0:31:47.700

sequence and you start seeing Triggers

 

0:31:45.600,0:31:49.980

on that yes you probably do like I do

 

0:31:47.700,0:31:51.419

and it's not the third sound you play

 

0:31:49.980,0:31:54.840

you're moving on move to number one

 

0:31:51.419,0:31:56.760

exactly and you just rearrange the order

 

0:31:54.840,0:32:00.179

you still run the sequence you still run

 

0:31:56.760,0:32:02.220

to see you know to cover it all but uh

 

0:32:00.179,0:32:05.700

you just move and rearrange those sounds

 

0:32:02.220,0:32:07.860

it's sometimes I think people overthink

 

0:32:05.700,0:32:10.679

the order that they need to play sounds

 

0:32:07.860,0:32:13.320

the length of time if they need spaces

 

0:32:10.679,0:32:16.440

in between you know you can change all

 

0:32:13.320,0:32:18.480

that stuff up and have success on all of

 

0:32:16.440,0:32:21.480

it and a lot of times that's what you

 

0:32:18.480,0:32:22.740

need to do to uh to find what is you

 

0:32:21.480,0:32:25.200

know what's working and what's working

 

0:32:22.740,0:32:27.720

best and when you find that you know

 

0:32:25.200,0:32:29.340

don't hesitate to change your uh

 

0:32:27.720,0:32:31.320

change the order of your sounds around

 

0:32:29.340,0:32:33.779

right run them longer run them in a

 

0:32:31.320,0:32:36.299

different place exactly exactly well

 

0:32:33.779,0:32:39.179

Tory let's uh for this time of year you

 

0:32:36.299,0:32:41.880

know through October here give us like

 

0:32:39.179,0:32:45.980

say your top three favorite halves that

 

0:32:41.880,0:32:45.980

you'll run through the October month

 

0:32:46.860,0:32:53.760

uh I really really like

 

0:32:51.179,0:32:56.399

I've got some new sounds but until they

 

0:32:53.760,0:32:57.779

release there's not enough no so we'll

 

0:32:56.399,0:33:00.059

just stick with what everybody knows

 

0:32:57.779,0:33:02.460

about uh

 

0:33:00.059,0:33:05.340

I really like for the pub Pals I really

 

0:33:02.460,0:33:08.640

like that bam pup pile

 

0:33:05.340,0:33:10.500

um I really like the little beat uh pup

 

0:33:08.640,0:33:12.840

Pals and bougie when I'm running Pub

 

0:33:10.500,0:33:14.519

Pals I'm gonna run all those I love I

 

0:33:12.840,0:33:18.299

don't know how many coyotes we had

 

0:33:14.519,0:33:21.240

vocally respond and show up on bougie

 

0:33:18.299,0:33:23.100

whiny pup out and I know uh I know Al

 

0:33:21.240,0:33:25.559

and you talked about some of the little

 

0:33:23.100,0:33:29.760

beef whimper house uh how well they work

 

0:33:25.559,0:33:31.620

and then uh bam Papa has been a killer

 

0:33:29.760,0:33:33.360

for a while as soon as I release that

 

0:33:31.620,0:33:35.279

sound Jimmy white in Tennessee started

 

0:33:33.360,0:33:37.559

thumping them and I mean that's kind of

 

0:33:35.279,0:33:39.840

where what Jesus he's always stopping

 

0:33:37.559,0:33:41.820

them but oh yeah yeah that's several of

 

0:33:39.840,0:33:44.460

them Tennessee Killers but but Jimmy was

 

0:33:41.820,0:33:46.200

one of the ones that really started he

 

0:33:44.460,0:33:47.940

sent me a couple messages right after I

 

0:33:46.200,0:33:49.500

released that sound he got it started

 

0:33:47.940,0:33:50.760

running it and he he sent me a couple

 

0:33:49.500,0:33:52.019

messages he said I'm telling you this

 

0:33:50.760,0:33:53.220

bam pup

 

0:33:52.019,0:33:55.559

is

 

0:33:53.220,0:33:57.659

is the Killer and I started running it

 

0:33:55.559,0:33:58.799

some and sure enough it's uh so those

 

0:33:57.659,0:34:01.080

would be

 

0:33:58.799,0:34:03.120

those would be the the three pull Pals

 

0:34:01.080,0:34:05.039

that I would that I would favor and I

 

0:34:03.120,0:34:06.840

would probably a lot of times I will run

 

0:34:05.039,0:34:09.240

all three of them right away it will at

 

0:34:06.840,0:34:11.820

least run two of the three right in the

 

0:34:09.240,0:34:13.679

sequence right well that's uh that spot

 

0:34:11.820,0:34:16.440

that spot on with what I've been seeing

 

0:34:13.679,0:34:18.599

I tend to gravitate it towards the BAM

 

0:34:16.440,0:34:20.820

pup house and a little bee pup house

 

0:34:18.599,0:34:22.260

seen some really really good responses

 

0:34:20.820,0:34:23.820

from that

 

0:34:22.260,0:34:25.320

um we start we're talking about mixing

 

0:34:23.820,0:34:27.240

in some prey distress sounds what would

 

0:34:25.320,0:34:29.820

be your top three prey distress sound

 

0:34:27.240,0:34:33.780

you start mixing in this time of year

 

0:34:29.820,0:34:35.159

I love I record this came from and I'll

 

0:34:33.780,0:34:36.540

just tell you how I got the sounds I

 

0:34:35.159,0:34:38.820

actually have recordings of this I've

 

0:34:36.540,0:34:40.619

never never shown them I will eventually

 

0:34:38.820,0:34:43.619

for people to keep up with the pages and

 

0:34:40.619,0:34:45.780

stuff it's some awesome footage but you

 

0:34:43.619,0:34:48.599

know I'm in Deep South Arkansas we

 

0:34:45.780,0:34:50.760

rarely get snow and we sure don't get

 

0:34:48.599,0:34:52.560

snow that sticks but when we do and it's

 

0:34:50.760,0:34:54.359

on the ground for a couple days the

 

0:34:52.560,0:34:57.300

birds around here after about two to

 

0:34:54.359,0:34:59.160

three days they get sluggish and you

 

0:34:57.300,0:35:00.720

know they're on the ground well those

 

0:34:59.160,0:35:01.920

coyotes start catching those birds but

 

0:35:00.720,0:35:04.380

they don't kill them they catch them and

 

0:35:01.920,0:35:06.180

play way with them really okay yeah

 

0:35:04.380,0:35:08.220

that's another thing that a lot of

 

0:35:06.180,0:35:11.160

people don't know is how how much

 

0:35:08.220,0:35:14.119

catching and killing coyotes do well

 

0:35:11.160,0:35:16.440

actually catching and torturing cows do

 

0:35:14.119,0:35:18.359

playing with their food and a lot of

 

0:35:16.440,0:35:21.900

times they don't eat it they they kill

 

0:35:18.359,0:35:24.000

for sport or for fun but anyway back to

 

0:35:21.900,0:35:26.400

those prey distress sounds I recorded

 

0:35:24.000,0:35:27.960

some woodpecker sounds uh flycatcher was

 

0:35:26.400,0:35:30.599

one of them I really like that one but

 

0:35:27.960,0:35:33.359

my top picks would be yeah L hammered

 

0:35:30.599,0:35:35.640

pecker brokebacker those are both it's a

 

0:35:33.359,0:35:36.599

yellowhammer woodpecker sound and I have

 

0:35:35.640,0:35:39.480

had

 

0:35:36.599,0:35:42.240

I mean just a Pilots of success running

 

0:35:39.480,0:35:44.460

those two sounds I really like those I

 

0:35:42.240,0:35:46.800

like goody Woody Woodpecker a lot and

 

0:35:44.460,0:35:47.820

then uh if I was going to throw a rabbit

 

0:35:46.800,0:35:50.400

in there

 

0:35:47.820,0:35:52.680

from the mfk library I would probably go

 

0:35:50.400,0:35:54.839

with cotton bomb had some pretty good

 

0:35:52.680,0:35:57.960

and I don't run a whole lot of rabbit

 

0:35:54.839,0:35:59.220

but uh and then of course on the fox Pro

 

0:35:57.960,0:36:01.740

side of it

 

0:35:59.220,0:36:04.200

I heard y'all talking about it uh on the

 

0:36:01.740,0:36:07.980

podcast the other day with Mike

 

0:36:04.200,0:36:09.540

from I mean I know how it's viewed

 

0:36:07.980,0:36:11.460

nowadays because it's been out so long

 

0:36:09.540,0:36:14.180

and people kind of make fun of other

 

0:36:11.460,0:36:17.599

people using Lightning Jack yeah yeah

 

0:36:14.180,0:36:17.599

that's dumb

 

0:36:18.320,0:36:23.460

there's a reason there's a reason people

 

0:36:21.119,0:36:25.560

talk about you know play play Lightning

 

0:36:23.460,0:36:27.480

Jack and because everybody was killing

 

0:36:25.560,0:36:29.579

off that sound and it's still a good

 

0:36:27.480,0:36:31.320

sound yes

 

0:36:29.579,0:36:33.180

and of course you've already mentioned a

 

0:36:31.320,0:36:35.640

couple of other ones uh cagey Cottontail

 

0:36:33.180,0:36:38.400

and I'll tell you this uh some of the

 

0:36:35.640,0:36:40.440

tournament guys when they were hunting

 

0:36:38.400,0:36:42.599

and winning some of those bigger

 

0:36:40.440,0:36:44.220

contests when they were running the prey

 

0:36:42.599,0:36:46.500

distress and they were swapping back and

 

0:36:44.220,0:36:48.660

forth between cagey Cottontail and

 

0:36:46.500,0:36:51.839

cotton bomb those were the now I'm gonna

 

0:36:48.660,0:36:53.460

get phone calls after these podcasts and

 

0:36:51.839,0:36:55.260

me yeah

 

0:36:53.460,0:36:58.020

but I think they pretty much made their

 

0:36:55.260,0:36:59.760

tournament run so yeah that's right

 

0:36:58.020,0:37:01.260

that's right I I know who you're talking

 

0:36:59.760,0:37:02.880

about they'll be better than Hornets I'm

 

0:37:01.260,0:37:04.440

sure just it's like towards the

 

0:37:02.880,0:37:07.339

admission lightning Jackson we do see it

 

0:37:04.440,0:37:09.599

a lot you see joke upon joke about it

 

0:37:07.339,0:37:11.940

lightning Jack is probably the kill of

 

0:37:09.599,0:37:13.440

this rabbit sound ever recorded there's

 

0:37:11.940,0:37:14.700

a reason why it gets talked about so

 

0:37:13.440,0:37:17.160

much

 

0:37:14.700,0:37:20.339

um man I kind of gravitated away from it

 

0:37:17.160,0:37:22.440

a little bit over the last few years

 

0:37:20.339,0:37:24.599

um for one reason is a couple years ago

 

0:37:22.440,0:37:25.920

Foxpro come out with a with several new

 

0:37:24.599,0:37:28.260

rabbit sounds so I was putting them

 

0:37:25.920,0:37:30.240

through their Paces uh and plus you know

 

0:37:28.260,0:37:32.220

I was kind of maybe thinking that it's

 

0:37:30.240,0:37:34.619

been played too much but this past

 

0:37:32.220,0:37:37.500

winter I started mixing Lightning Jack

 

0:37:34.619,0:37:39.420

in uh to my sequences again because I

 

0:37:37.500,0:37:42.180

I'd start I'd I'd hunted all my ground

 

0:37:39.420,0:37:44.400

out but I still had coyotes on that

 

0:37:42.180,0:37:45.660

ground that could be called in so I

 

0:37:44.400,0:37:47.820

needed to be playing some different

 

0:37:45.660,0:37:51.359

sounds I started putting Lightning Jack

 

0:37:47.820,0:37:53.520

back in my goodness was I called in the

 

0:37:51.359,0:37:55.800

coyotes to kill a bobcat off of it

 

0:37:53.520,0:37:57.780

killed several coyotes lightning Jacks

 

0:37:55.800,0:38:00.180

money and always will be those those

 

0:37:57.780,0:38:03.240

sounds are terrific

 

0:38:00.180,0:38:07.140

um for me top three prey distress sounds

 

0:38:03.240,0:38:09.540

where Tori's more bird heavy I'm the

 

0:38:07.140,0:38:11.099

other way around I'm rabid uh I'm not

 

0:38:09.540,0:38:14.160

going to throw Lightning Jack in that

 

0:38:11.099,0:38:16.740

top three uh it's it's it's in the top

 

0:38:14.160,0:38:20.160

five probably but my top three are kg

 

0:38:16.740,0:38:22.079

Cottontail baby Cottontail and Mrs MC

 

0:38:20.160,0:38:23.760

Cottontail right now I'm playing a lot

 

0:38:22.079,0:38:25.859

of baby cotton I shouldn't say a lot of

 

0:38:23.760,0:38:27.480

I don't play like two minutes of it uh

 

0:38:25.859,0:38:29.880

but that's what I'm playing right now

 

0:38:27.480,0:38:31.859

through my sequence on up into the fall

 

0:38:29.880,0:38:33.960

when I start seeing

 

0:38:31.859,0:38:35.700

coyotes responding more and more to prey

 

0:38:33.960,0:38:38.280

distressed sounds I'm gonna start

 

0:38:35.700,0:38:41.099

playing my cagey Cottontail and Mrs MC

 

0:38:38.280,0:38:43.680

Cottontail a lot more and it's going to

 

0:38:41.099,0:38:45.359

be several more minutes of it and

 

0:38:43.680,0:38:48.180

another reason is like I was talking

 

0:38:45.359,0:38:51.060

about earlier the Bobcats man there's a

 

0:38:48.180,0:38:54.480

bobcatar and he hears cagey cocktail Mrs

 

0:38:51.060,0:38:56.220

MC Cottontail he he or she cannot resist

 

0:38:54.480,0:38:58.260

it they will come stick their head wrap

 

0:38:56.220,0:38:59.220

the speaker so great sounds to be

 

0:38:58.260,0:39:01.260

running

 

0:38:59.220,0:39:03.060

yeah and you asked me what my top three

 

0:39:01.260,0:39:04.800

prey distress sounds were and I don't

 

0:39:03.060,0:39:06.599

know that I've if I were really gonna

 

0:39:04.800,0:39:08.160

pick my top three what I've been most

 

0:39:06.599,0:39:10.200

successful with I'd probably say yellow

 

0:39:08.160,0:39:12.480

hammered pecker or broke pecker they're

 

0:39:10.200,0:39:14.640

interchangeable for the Woodpecker and

 

0:39:12.480,0:39:17.339

then [ __ ] distress and great Fox

 

0:39:14.640,0:39:19.680

distress which is odd but I have killed

 

0:39:17.339,0:39:21.480

piles and piles I used to run one sound

 

0:39:19.680,0:39:23.099

and that was a great boxing stress

 

0:39:21.480,0:39:25.200

that's the only prey distress I would

 

0:39:23.099,0:39:27.480

ever run I ran it for cats coats right

 

0:39:25.200,0:39:29.760

and of course Fox and I can't tell you

 

0:39:27.480,0:39:31.380

how many predators I've killed off of

 

0:39:29.760,0:39:32.220

those sounds

 

0:39:31.380,0:39:36.060

um

 

0:39:32.220,0:39:38.520

the best morning uh Bobcat calling I've

 

0:39:36.060,0:39:40.320

ever had we called in six one morning

 

0:39:38.520,0:39:41.880

this is when I when I say one morning

 

0:39:40.320,0:39:42.660

I'm talking from like daylight to 10

 

0:39:41.880,0:39:45.839

o'clock

 

0:39:42.660,0:39:48.060

uh Carey Wayne and I and his boy we

 

0:39:45.839,0:39:50.099

called in six cats that morning five of

 

0:39:48.060,0:39:52.440

them came to [ __ ] Express called up one

 

0:39:50.099,0:39:54.420

on rabbit with a diaphragm and I should

 

0:39:52.440,0:39:56.099

I actually forgot to mention that when I

 

0:39:54.420,0:39:58.380

run Rabbit a lot of times I do it on a

 

0:39:56.099,0:40:01.740

diaphragm do you really okay but yeah

 

0:39:58.380,0:40:04.200

yeah I like I like to mix both and

 

0:40:01.740,0:40:06.420

for me when I'm running prey distress

 

0:40:04.200,0:40:07.920

sounds or anything else

 

0:40:06.420,0:40:09.599

you know it's like a loaded question

 

0:40:07.920,0:40:12.599

when you ask me to pick three because

 

0:40:09.599,0:40:13.619

after having these these couch for so

 

0:40:12.599,0:40:15.780

long

 

0:40:13.619,0:40:18.359

and and testing sounds on them you've

 

0:40:15.780,0:40:20.520

heard me talk about it before I play a

 

0:40:18.359,0:40:22.560

lot of sounds a lot of times they're

 

0:40:20.520,0:40:25.940

from the same category and I don't want

 

0:40:22.560,0:40:29.720

them very long two three minutes

 

0:40:25.940,0:40:32.280

from the coyotes yep yeah so I may run

 

0:40:29.720,0:40:34.980

cotton bombs swap over to Yellow

 

0:40:32.280,0:40:36.839

hammered pecker go right back to Cajun

 

0:40:34.980,0:40:38.760

Cottontail come right back to Woods rat

 

0:40:36.839,0:40:41.640

go to the [ __ ] distress you know and I'm

 

0:40:38.760,0:40:43.740

running multiple prey sounds right and I

 

0:40:41.640,0:40:45.119

don't know that that you know it's hard

 

0:40:43.740,0:40:47.760

for me to say well this is a favorite

 

0:40:45.119,0:40:49.619

one when I when that's how I actually

 

0:40:47.760,0:40:52.140

called right you know what I'm saying

 

0:40:49.619,0:40:53.220

and I'm the same way and the reason I

 

0:40:52.140,0:40:54.780

was asking you know just let everybody

 

0:40:53.220,0:40:55.619

know the reason I'm asking for it

 

0:40:54.780,0:40:57.119

because this is one of the main

 

0:40:55.619,0:40:58.440

questions we get a lot of times what's

 

0:40:57.119,0:40:59.880

your favorite rabbit sound what's your

 

0:40:58.440,0:41:02.280

favorite how what's your top three

 

0:40:59.880,0:41:04.079

sounds whatever so you know I know guys

 

0:41:02.280,0:41:07.020

are going to be asking that so now you

 

0:41:04.079,0:41:09.780

all heard them and and you know I named

 

0:41:07.020,0:41:11.520

top three but the thing is number four

 

0:41:09.780,0:41:13.560

number five number six all the way

 

0:41:11.520,0:41:16.200

through like number 15 or

 

0:41:13.560,0:41:18.420

tied on their heels I mean are that good

 

0:41:16.200,0:41:20.640

and I mean I can rattle off a dozen

 

0:41:18.420,0:41:23.520

sounds for you that I might go start

 

0:41:20.640,0:41:27.119

running tomorrow that I know I'll have

 

0:41:23.520,0:41:29.280

call-ins on do not be afraid to try

 

0:41:27.119,0:41:30.900

different sounds out because all these

 

0:41:29.280,0:41:33.359

sounds we put out that we put on these

 

0:41:30.900,0:41:34.440

collars we'll call in Predators every

 

0:41:33.359,0:41:36.540

single one of them if they would we

 

0:41:34.440,0:41:39.119

wouldn't put them on there

 

0:41:36.540,0:41:41.579

yeah and you you will also find

 

0:41:39.119,0:41:44.099

certain areas that have you know a

 

0:41:41.579,0:41:45.900

little higher rate to one they all call

 

0:41:44.099,0:41:47.400

everywhere don't get me wrong but you'll

 

0:41:45.900,0:41:50.339

find those areas where they seem to

 

0:41:47.400,0:41:52.400

favor uh a certain rabbit over another

 

0:41:50.339,0:41:55.260

one for whatever reason right right

 

0:41:52.400,0:41:59.520

but it's

 

0:41:55.260,0:42:01.859

my opinion is a good idea to play

 

0:41:59.520,0:42:04.320

multiple sounds having those top sounds

 

0:42:01.859,0:42:07.020

those top picks as a starting point are

 

0:42:04.320,0:42:08.640

great but don't get too hung up on this

 

0:42:07.020,0:42:10.440

is my and you see people do it all the

 

0:42:08.640,0:42:12.780

time and I understand it I used to do it

 

0:42:10.440,0:42:15.300

when I first started you get a stand you

 

0:42:12.780,0:42:17.579

call up a cut a coat on it

 

0:42:15.300,0:42:19.500

and all of a sudden that's that's what

 

0:42:17.579,0:42:21.540

you go to because it worked and so you

 

0:42:19.500,0:42:23.040

have a tendency to go back to what

 

0:42:21.540,0:42:26.520

worked and there's nothing wrong with

 

0:42:23.040,0:42:29.220

that but when it's not working

 

0:42:26.520,0:42:32.040

don't stay on that sound don't run don't

 

0:42:29.220,0:42:34.320

play the same sound for 8 10 the the

 

0:42:32.040,0:42:36.660

entirety of your stand

 

0:42:34.320,0:42:38.339

swap to something else and you can find

 

0:42:36.660,0:42:40.440

other sounds

 

0:42:38.339,0:42:43.260

that work just as well as that one or

 

0:42:40.440,0:42:45.180

two or three that you know may may have

 

0:42:43.260,0:42:47.640

been your top picks

 

0:42:45.180,0:42:48.960

uh going into it I know what you're

 

0:42:47.640,0:42:52.980

saying everybody needs a starting point

 

0:42:48.960,0:42:54.599

right especially it's new guys but don't

 

0:42:52.980,0:42:57.060

get too hung up on those one or two

 

0:42:54.599,0:42:59.400

three sounds and you you guys have heard

 

0:42:57.060,0:43:01.920

us talk about them enough we we give you

 

0:42:59.400,0:43:04.020

some we threw some sounds out there for

 

0:43:01.920,0:43:05.940

you guys to to check out give them a try

 

0:43:04.020,0:43:07.260

they work trust me use them all over the

 

0:43:05.940,0:43:08.579

country I've been in several different

 

0:43:07.260,0:43:10.619

states this year and used all those

 

0:43:08.579,0:43:13.800

sounds and they're they're working uh

 

0:43:10.619,0:43:16.500

Toy tell us about what water for this

 

0:43:13.800,0:43:18.060

time period October what are your top

 

0:43:16.500,0:43:19.680

fights and public stresses that you're

 

0:43:18.060,0:43:20.760

gonna be running through and plus you

 

0:43:19.680,0:43:22.800

might as well throw your submissive

 

0:43:20.760,0:43:25.260

sounds in there as well

 

0:43:22.800,0:43:28.200

the top submissive sounds are pretty

 

0:43:25.260,0:43:29.640

easy in that if they have submissive in

 

0:43:28.200,0:43:31.020

the title and there's about three or

 

0:43:29.640,0:43:32.640

four of them with submissive in the

 

0:43:31.020,0:43:34.740

title submissive barriers submissive Tap

 

0:43:32.640,0:43:37.980

Out submissive wines

 

0:43:34.740,0:43:41.280

um you cannot go wrong with those

 

0:43:37.980,0:43:43.079

submissive social sounds and just to

 

0:43:41.280,0:43:44.579

tell everybody exactly what those sounds

 

0:43:43.079,0:43:46.680

are every one of them that have

 

0:43:44.579,0:43:48.420

submissive in the title that's when

 

0:43:46.680,0:43:50.760

coyotes have come back together after

 

0:43:48.420,0:43:52.680

being separated and pecking order is

 

0:43:50.760,0:43:55.140

re-established it's usually like a

 

0:43:52.680,0:43:56.720

little wrestling match where one coyote

 

0:43:55.140,0:43:58.740

is making those submissive sounds

 

0:43:56.720,0:44:01.020

another one that's a little higher

 

0:43:58.740,0:44:02.640

ranking is probably doing a little

 

0:44:01.020,0:44:04.980

growling and stuff like that but it's

 

0:44:02.640,0:44:06.260

not a serious it's not a fight it's a

 

0:44:04.980,0:44:09.560

meet and greet

 

0:44:06.260,0:44:11.940

re-establish the beckon order type deal

 

0:44:09.560,0:44:13.440

and so if it's got submissive in the

 

0:44:11.940,0:44:15.540

title it's in the social interaction

 

0:44:13.440,0:44:17.880

category you can look on foxpro's

 

0:44:15.540,0:44:20.280

website mfk website under social

 

0:44:17.880,0:44:22.319

interaction sounds you will see those

 

0:44:20.280,0:44:24.420

sounds listed

 

0:44:22.319,0:44:25.859

uh if it's got submissive in the title

 

0:44:24.420,0:44:26.579

play it

 

0:44:25.859,0:44:28.920

um

 

0:44:26.579,0:44:30.660

and then uh what you said the fight

 

0:44:28.920,0:44:32.040

sounds yeah might as well tell the

 

0:44:30.660,0:44:34.079

fights in there with them

 

0:44:32.040,0:44:36.540

on the fights

 

0:44:34.079,0:44:38.819

of course table scraps and pound town

 

0:44:36.540,0:44:40.079

are always going to be they're just

 

0:44:38.819,0:44:43.619

always going to be in there they just

 

0:44:40.079,0:44:48.720

work too good and they're more

 

0:44:43.619,0:44:50.339

uh sub adult and an adult type fights uh

 

0:44:48.720,0:44:51.900

actually table scraps is perfect for

 

0:44:50.339,0:44:53.760

right now because that's the age class

 

0:44:51.900,0:44:56.819

of when that sound was recorded it's a

 

0:44:53.760,0:44:59.220

food fight just like the name implies uh

 

0:44:56.819,0:45:02.819

as far as just pecking order

 

0:44:59.220,0:45:04.980

tight bikes if you look at the mfk

 

0:45:02.819,0:45:07.319

library you'll see those sounds that

 

0:45:04.980,0:45:10.520

have the ages listed behind the fights

 

0:45:07.319,0:45:13.560

and though they'll usually say you know

 

0:45:10.520,0:45:16.500

whatever Count versus another one and

 

0:45:13.560,0:45:18.900

those are picking order pup fights uh

 

0:45:16.500,0:45:22.380

some of my favorite ones bam stanky

 

0:45:18.900,0:45:25.380

eight weeks is a standout uh Den vicious

 

0:45:22.380,0:45:28.260

then vicious 2 are both standout pup

 

0:45:25.380,0:45:29.880

fights bad intentions is a really good

 

0:45:28.260,0:45:30.480

pup fight

 

0:45:29.880,0:45:32.760

um

 

0:45:30.480,0:45:35.280

you know there's and like I said before

 

0:45:32.760,0:45:37.020

it's hard for me to pick just two or

 

0:45:35.280,0:45:37.980

three sounds because usually when I'm

 

0:45:37.020,0:45:40.619

running

 

0:45:37.980,0:45:43.319

any of those categories I'm gonna play

 

0:45:40.619,0:45:45.420

multiple sounds from each category and

 

0:45:43.319,0:45:48.000

then on the next stand if I played bam

 

0:45:45.420,0:45:49.500

stanky on this one I'm probably not

 

0:45:48.000,0:45:51.599

going to play it on the next stand I'm

 

0:45:49.500,0:45:53.160

probably gonna play you know a different

 

0:45:51.599,0:45:55.140

uh

 

0:45:53.160,0:45:57.240

book bite right like little B versus

 

0:45:55.140,0:45:58.020

bougie right you know something like

 

0:45:57.240,0:45:58.619

that

 

0:45:58.020,0:46:00.660

um

 

0:45:58.619,0:46:02.760

so all of those when you're looking at

 

0:46:00.660,0:46:06.599

those categories

 

0:46:02.760,0:46:09.300

uh those pop fights with the age classes

 

0:46:06.599,0:46:10.859

mixed are going to tell you what your

 

0:46:09.300,0:46:12.599

your

 

0:46:10.859,0:46:13.980

basically you're picking order food

 

0:46:12.599,0:46:16.020

fight so I mean your pick and Order

 

0:46:13.980,0:46:17.520

fights are and then your fights that

 

0:46:16.020,0:46:19.260

don't have age classes with them are

 

0:46:17.520,0:46:22.260

going to be sub-adult which are great

 

0:46:19.260,0:46:22.980

for right now uh bad intentions

 

0:46:22.260,0:46:26.940

um

 

0:46:22.980,0:46:29.220

the uh table scraps stuff like that

 

0:46:26.940,0:46:30.800

well Tory what would be you know we're

 

0:46:29.220,0:46:34.859

getting getting ready to wrap it up here

 

0:46:30.800,0:46:36.720

what would be a good and I think you've

 

0:46:34.859,0:46:38.700

already give a really good one earlier

 

0:46:36.720,0:46:41.640

on you might touch back on it but what

 

0:46:38.700,0:46:43.319

would be a good coyote hunting tip that

 

0:46:41.640,0:46:46.079

you would like to share to everybody out

 

0:46:43.319,0:46:47.760

there listening for hunting fall coyotes

 

0:46:46.079,0:46:50.040

through October this time period we're

 

0:46:47.760,0:46:53.040

in right now

 

0:46:50.040,0:46:54.839

right now I would go right back to a

 

0:46:53.040,0:46:56.940

couple of things remember that your

 

0:46:54.839,0:46:58.020

coyotes are busted up family bust up is

 

0:46:56.940,0:47:01.380

taking place right now you've got

 

0:46:58.020,0:47:03.900

multiple coats in a small area that are

 

0:47:01.380,0:47:05.880

potential call-ins go heavy with your

 

0:47:03.900,0:47:08.339

pup long house

 

0:47:05.880,0:47:10.440

your pup fights those social interaction

 

0:47:08.339,0:47:13.440

sounds and mix two or three different

 

0:47:10.440,0:47:16.020

prey distress sounds in those sequences

 

0:47:13.440,0:47:19.319

and I think you'll call up codes and as

 

0:47:16.020,0:47:21.119

we get towards the end of October going

 

0:47:19.319,0:47:24.359

into November

 

0:47:21.119,0:47:26.099

if those sequences start to you should

 

0:47:24.359,0:47:27.780

pick up on it you should start seeing

 

0:47:26.099,0:47:29.760

you know what are your cows showing up

 

0:47:27.780,0:47:32.400

on like you talked about earlier you

 

0:47:29.760,0:47:34.980

know then you may add even more prey

 

0:47:32.400,0:47:38.099

distress in or go heavier on it but but

 

0:47:34.980,0:47:41.220

right now I would be

 

0:47:38.099,0:47:44.460

Clubhouse pup fights social interaction

 

0:47:41.220,0:47:47.760

sounds mix those prey distress sounds

 

0:47:44.460,0:47:49.859

ends sporadically in the sequence when

 

0:47:47.760,0:47:52.440

you call up a code whether you get it or

 

0:47:49.859,0:47:54.359

not keep calling that's probably one of

 

0:47:52.440,0:47:57.000

the one of the best tips is

 

0:47:54.359,0:47:59.160

if you Keel keep calling right now

 

0:47:57.000,0:48:02.520

because you can you can get multiple

 

0:47:59.160,0:48:04.560

counts uh especially because of family

 

0:48:02.520,0:48:06.780

bust up and you need to take advantage

 

0:48:04.560,0:48:09.000

of that yep that would definitely be my

 

0:48:06.780,0:48:12.079

number one tip right now for you guys is

 

0:48:09.000,0:48:14.520

keep calling on stand you know

 

0:48:12.079,0:48:17.160

we're calling coyotein pretty early in

 

0:48:14.520,0:48:18.780

the stand and we have called in some

 

0:48:17.160,0:48:21.839

kind of later understand we're making

 

0:48:18.780,0:48:24.480

about a 15 to 17 maybe 18 minutes stand

 

0:48:21.839,0:48:25.800

right now but if you call a coyote in on

 

0:48:24.480,0:48:28.500

the first two minutes

 

0:48:25.800,0:48:30.599

keep calling and if something happened

 

0:48:28.500,0:48:32.760

if you called a coyote in on the fifth

 

0:48:30.599,0:48:34.980

on that 15 minute mark

 

0:48:32.760,0:48:36.420

stretch you stand on out because there's

 

0:48:34.980,0:48:38.460

probably more coyotes there there's

 

0:48:36.420,0:48:39.900

going to be more than just one coyote

 

0:48:38.460,0:48:41.160

that's come out of that Thicket or out

 

0:48:39.900,0:48:43.380

of that hay field or how that holler

 

0:48:41.160,0:48:45.300

woods wherever you're hunting at keep

 

0:48:43.380,0:48:46.980

pouring that sound to them change sounds

 

0:48:45.300,0:48:48.300

up you're probably gonna end up with

 

0:48:46.980,0:48:51.359

multiples laying on the ground When the

 

0:48:48.300,0:48:54.079

Smoke Clears definitely and you guys the

 

0:48:51.359,0:48:56.940

stuff we're talking about

 

0:48:54.079,0:48:58.619

we ain't BS and nobody this stuff is

 

0:48:56.940,0:49:00.540

working we're using it right now it's

 

0:48:58.619,0:49:02.099

working and if you want to see it

 

0:49:00.540,0:49:04.020

working you guys need to we're talking

 

0:49:02.099,0:49:06.920

about following our social media pages

 

0:49:04.020,0:49:09.839

and following myself and following Tori

 

0:49:06.920,0:49:13.319

also make sure you're checking out the

 

0:49:09.839,0:49:17.220

mfk game calls YouTube page and the

 

0:49:13.319,0:49:19.560

Foxpro Inc YouTube page we actually show

 

0:49:17.220,0:49:22.260

you guys this stuff in action you can

 

0:49:19.560,0:49:23.640

learn so much stuff from these YouTube

 

0:49:22.260,0:49:25.680

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0:49:23.640,0:49:27.960

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0:49:25.680,0:49:29.520

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0:49:27.960,0:49:31.500

and you guys can go apply it right in

 

0:49:29.520,0:49:33.060

the field as well so make sure you're

 

0:49:31.500,0:49:34.920

you're subscribed to these YouTube

 

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0:49:34.920,0:49:39.720

of good stuff out there a lot of from

 

0:49:37.619,0:49:41.579

all over the country too you know their

 

0:49:39.720,0:49:43.140

Tories recording a lot of stuff down in

 

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Tennessee Arkansas they're Virginia

 

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they're everywhere all across the

 

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0:49:47.460,0:49:51.800

East Coast from the West Coast North and

 

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0:49:51.800,0:50:00.119

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subscribed to those

 

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yeah that's good stuff

 

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0:50:10.140,0:50:13.680

worry you got anything else you'd like

 

0:50:11.460,0:50:16.319

to add before you wrap this up

 

0:50:13.680,0:50:20.040

just as always appreciate everybody

 

0:50:16.319,0:50:22.079

using mfk box Pro we uh there's nothing

 

0:50:20.040,0:50:24.599

I've said it before say it every time

 

0:50:22.079,0:50:26.760

I'm gonna keep saying it really

 

0:50:24.599,0:50:28.560

appreciate everybody that that supports

 

0:50:26.760,0:50:31.619

us nothing beats seeing y'all going out

 

0:50:28.560,0:50:33.720

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0:50:31.619,0:50:35.460

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0:50:33.720,0:50:37.800

that's the best part of the whole deal

 

0:50:35.460,0:50:40.500

so uh just a big thank you to everybody

 

0:50:37.800,0:50:42.480

that runs our stuff yep I'll chime right

 

0:50:40.500,0:50:44.400

in with that thanks for everybody out

 

0:50:42.480,0:50:46.020

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0:50:48.359,0:50:52.020

knowledge so much good stuff thank you

 

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for everything you do for us and a

 

0:50:52.020,0:50:55.800

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