The FOXPRO Podcast

EP. 9: Traditions of Coyote Hunting - John Bair

Episode Summary

Jon Collins and John Bair discuss family traditions of coyote hunting in the West.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the Foxpro podcast

 

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brought to you by Foxpro game calls

 

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how's it going everyone welcome back to

 

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the Foxpro podcast on this episode

 

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you've got myself John Collins and

 

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Foxpro field staffer John bear how you

 

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been doing lately John

 

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oh I'm doing good man doing good how

 

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about yourself I've been doing doing

 

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pretty good I definitely can't complain

 

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uh you've been killing any coyotes

 

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lately

 

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yeah we've been uh we've been getting

 

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out uh quite a bit as of late the last

 

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month has been pretty good and you know

 

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it's it's hot it's summer here and uh I

 

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know you know you know back where you're

 

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at you know all about the heat right so

 

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it's uh you know we have changed things

 

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up a little bit but I really enjoy

 

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hunting in the summer and I that's when

 

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I have a little more time to get out

 

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right and uh so yeah we've been having a

 

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been having a pretty good summer season

 

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and uh you know the coyotes have been

 

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calling pretty good

 

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it's been a lot of fun you talking about

 

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the heat uh I think I saw on the news

 

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like up there in the Utah area and stuff

 

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uh kind of like I don't know if it's

 

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record temps but like triple digit temps

 

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right now is that what you've been

 

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seeing oh yeah it was yeah it was like

 

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101 here yesterday and 103 the day

 

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before and so yeah between uh about you

 

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know one in the afternoon and and five

 

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in the evening you're uh you're looking

 

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for shade right right you're looking for

 

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shade

 

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does that keep you out of the sagebrush

 

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chasing coyotes or you still get after

 

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them even when you see yeah well I you

 

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know we've called coyotes you know when

 

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it's pretty hot I think you gotta adjust

 

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your tactics a little bit I think you

 

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definitely have to get closer to them

 

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but and then you know this time of year

 

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we uh

 

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we help with the dogs quite a bit and uh

 

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of course you don't have to have dogs to

 

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hunt them in the summer but you know

 

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usually first thing in the morning for a

 

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few uh you know maybe two or three hours

 

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first thing in the morning before it

 

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heats up and then there's usually

 

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maybe an hour and a half right before

 

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dark that seems to be pretty good yeah I

 

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tell you what seems like with some

 

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summertime calling that's actually been

 

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one of some of my most Dynamite stands

 

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have happened you know with but triple

 

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digits and

 

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maybe I know up in your house country

 

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it's kind of more of a dry heat but here

 

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in my area we've got the humidity as

 

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well and it seems like you know the

 

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coyotes are already mad because it's hot

 

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you know they got ticks crawling all

 

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over them and mosquitoes buzzing in

 

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their ears and they've got you know

 

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these little these pups chewing on them

 

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and wanting to play and they're

 

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aggravated and it seems like you get

 

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close enough to them rip out a big old

 

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howl right in their bedroom man they

 

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sure they sure come to life pretty quick

 

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there are like I said they're already

 

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mad and you rip out a hat on their

 

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bedroom they really get pissed off in I

 

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really had some Dynamite stands in those

 

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situations

 

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you know I've I've had uh I've had a lot

 

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of fun

 

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hunting in the in the summer and the

 

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heat when uh you know like you say

 

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they're just they're real territorial it

 

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seems like

 

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you know me and I'll talk about uh

 

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fairly often about in the spring when

 

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they start having pups it kind of resets

 

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they're crazy yeah and you know even the

 

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even the old educated coyotes that you

 

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know have heard every sound that's ever

 

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been recorded

 

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you know they just kind of throw all

 

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their caution to the wind and when you

 

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get in there and invade their country

 

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and you know start talking a little

 

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coyote to him you anything can happen I

 

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mean anything can happen I've I've shot

 

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coyotes so close in the summer that I

 

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could reach out and touch him with my

 

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gun when they drop dead you know they're

 

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so worried about what that sound is

 

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right there in there

 

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in their dining ground and stuff it's

 

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it's a lot of fun if anybody uh you know

 

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you got the Summertime Blues you want to

 

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get out and you're thinking you got to

 

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wait for cold weather I'd I'd encourage

 

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him you know get you Foxpro get out in

 

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the summer and uh get your safety off

 

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because it can get wild in a hurry no

 

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doubt that that's what we live for and

 

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man we just can't get enough of it and

 

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you're right I mean it it extends uh how

 

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much time that you can you can be out

 

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there in the field and enjoy hunting you

 

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know if you're a deer hunter you get

 

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your Deer tags field you know Season

 

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sending or whatever

 

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yeah grab you a fox bro go call some

 

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coyotes because in most States you know

 

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which it's year round but uh yeah I

 

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don't want to let's talk about you a

 

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little bit before we get dive deep into

 

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this podcast you know besides for being

 

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a coyote Hunter and part of the Foxpro

 

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crew you're an electrician

 

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uh an auctioneer boy voice actor and yes

 

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conservationist John what did I leave

 

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out you want to tell us a bit more about

 

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yourself oh geez you know I it you know

 

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I think you just spelled out what I've

 

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known for a while I got too many irons

 

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in the fire it seems like a lot of times

 

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but yeah you know I uh I grew up on a on

 

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a sheep Ranch down in Central Utah and

 

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uh my dad worked on a big old sheep

 

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Ranch and my

 

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uh my family uh has been in the ranch in

 

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business for you know three or four

 

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generations

 

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and uh

 

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I moved up to the big city up here in

 

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Utah County I'm about 45 minutes south

 

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of Salt Lake

 

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and uh I'm an electrician nine to five I

 

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do a lot of auctioneering get to travel

 

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around the country you know and most of

 

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those events like state of conservation

 

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events I get to raise a lot of money for

 

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wildlife conservation and uh you know

 

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it's a lot of fun I've met a lot of

 

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people and uh of you know even managed

 

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to finagle my way onto some good access

 

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to some good coyote hunting property

 

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through the connections I've made

 

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through

 

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uh you know conservation organization

 

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that's always a plus oh yeah you know

 

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I'm always I'm always asking guys you

 

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know let's say yeah

 

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I want to Ranch here in the ranch there

 

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and you know usually next thing I do is

 

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hand them a business card and tell them

 

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well if you have coyotes you know we

 

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need to talk so exactly right and you

 

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know you kind of talked about you know

 

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you was raised up uh uh cheap ranching

 

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and that type of stuff uh let's talk

 

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about so I know you've gotta you've

 

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always been around coyotes you know so

 

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let's talk about the tradition of coyote

 

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hunting you know um I grew up in in a

 

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cattle farming family and that's what

 

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gave me my first initial push into the

 

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sport uh I I started hunting coyotes

 

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back in the 90s and and it really wasn't

 

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until then that we had a decent

 

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population of coyotes that we could even

 

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really hunt here in Kentucky you know I

 

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was actually told that Kentucky actually

 

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didn't even have coyotes until the late

 

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70s

 

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so wow yeah so I'm I'm actually the

 

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first coyote hunter in my family you

 

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know I I was a self-taught coyote Hunter

 

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um now for you guys you all always had

 

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coyotes in your part of the world what

 

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was it like growing up in a family that

 

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has a tradition in coyote hunting in

 

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what age did you start coyote hunting

 

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yourself well uh

 

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so I grew up

 

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just down the street from my great

 

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grandpa and he was always in the

 

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always in the ranch in business and uh

 

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in the farming business and as well as

 

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far back as I can remember on Sunday

 

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afternoons uh

 

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grandpa had come down to our house for

 

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Sunday dinner

 

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and we'd have Sunday dinner and then

 

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we'd go you know sit around in the on

 

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the back porch or

 

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in the living room and I remember him

 

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and my dad

 

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it seemed like the conversation would

 

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always turn

 

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to hunting coyotes

 

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uh they talked a lot about bear hunting

 

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they talked a lot about hunting dogs and

 

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my great grandpa when my uh

 

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when my grandpa was just a

 

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a kid he had a dog

 

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that uh was half Russian wolfhound and I

 

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don't know what the other half was but

 

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they I mean this dog was legendary and

 

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it had run down coyotes and kill him

 

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when they got in the sheep and I

 

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remember just listening to my great

 

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grandpa tell stories about that dog and

 

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tell stories about how he would go out

 

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and lay in the ditch

 

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in the dark so that first thing in the

 

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morning when those coyotes sneak into

 

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the pasture and try to get the Lambs you

 

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know he'd be there and uh remember him

 

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telling me he had an old uh you know an

 

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old long barrel 30 40 Craig rifle

 

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and uh you know this last time you heard

 

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somebody shooting a 34. I've read about

 

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it yeah you know and he would uh and he

 

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said he'd uh you know he'd he'd try to

 

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set up where these coyotes you know

 

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would come because they'd come off the

 

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hill and down into the pastures and

 

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steal the chickens and steal you know

 

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kill Lambs and he'd uh you know try to

 

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try to set up where you could get him

 

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and I mean they just talked about that

 

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and I was just always fascinated with

 

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you know the the predator hunting

 

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discussions and the Predator stories and

 

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the coyote stories that my dad and my

 

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great grandpa seemed like about every

 

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Sunday and if they were talking about

 

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something else

 

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uh you know it was Sunday a lot of times

 

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they'd talk about church and they'd talk

 

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family stuff and things like that and if

 

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the discussion went about anywhere other

 

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than than hunting you know I'd try to

 

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ask a question or bring something up and

 

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steer the discussion back to something a

 

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little more entertaining which to me was

 

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to keep it yeah which to me was you know

 

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and so you know I

 

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hunting Predators hunting coyotes

 

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specifically

 

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you know ever since I was a little kid

 

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it's just been a huge part of

 

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my family and uh you know it's kind of

 

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tradition it's Heritage however you want

 

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to describe it and you know growing up

 

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in a ranching family

 

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uh

 

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you know Predators man they were they

 

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were Public Enemy Number One

 

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right up there with uh

 

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politicians and uh

 

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and some of the government land agencies

 

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that Grandpa didn't like too good but we

 

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man I just I can remember from the time

 

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I was just a little bitty kid sitting

 

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around talking about coyote hunting with

 

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my great grandpa and my grandpa and my

 

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my dad

 

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when uh my dad moved to Colorado

 

0:10:42.920,0:10:47.700

actually he was born in Colorado my

 

0:10:45.300,0:10:49.560

family went from my great great grandpa

 

0:10:47.700,0:10:50.459

moved from Utah to Colorado and then

 

0:10:49.560,0:10:52.500

they were out there for a couple

 

0:10:50.459,0:10:54.779

generations and then my my dad moved

 

0:10:52.500,0:10:57.660

back to Utah where we are now but when

 

0:10:54.779,0:10:59.399

my dad was in Colorado he uh when him

 

0:10:57.660,0:11:02.160

and my mom first got married they worked

 

0:10:59.399,0:11:05.820

on a big sheep Ranch out there for

 

0:11:02.160,0:11:08.760

for a guy and one of uh one of the

 

0:11:05.820,0:11:11.339

Trappers out there gave my dad an old

 

0:11:08.760,0:11:13.800

wood Cersei hand call

 

0:11:11.339,0:11:16.740

and told him he says you go out and you

 

0:11:13.800,0:11:18.959

know you go set up down there by the

 

0:11:16.740,0:11:20.579

buy them Sage Flats where them coyotes

 

0:11:18.959,0:11:22.440

are coming out and you know you make

 

0:11:20.579,0:11:25.079

this sound and here here comes the

 

0:11:22.440,0:11:27.120

coyotes and just be ready and my dad's

 

0:11:25.079,0:11:29.279

like you know he was pretty young at the

 

0:11:27.120,0:11:31.500

time right he's like you know what kind

 

0:11:29.279,0:11:33.060

of Witchcraft is this can't possibly

 

0:11:31.500,0:11:35.519

work and he said the first time he ever

 

0:11:33.060,0:11:37.260

tried it a big old coyote ran up behind

 

0:11:35.519,0:11:38.640

him and barked at him and about scared

 

0:11:37.260,0:11:40.079

him to death and

 

0:11:38.640,0:11:43.079

from

 

0:11:40.079,0:11:44.640

that day on he said you know call he

 

0:11:43.079,0:11:46.019

said there's there hasn't been a day go

 

0:11:44.640,0:11:49.620

by where I haven't thought about killing

 

0:11:46.019,0:11:53.579

killing coyotes right and so my dad's

 

0:11:49.620,0:11:55.260

always been really into it and which you

 

0:11:53.579,0:11:56.700

know kind of passed that on to your kids

 

0:11:55.260,0:11:59.040

and believe it or not with all the

 

0:11:56.700,0:12:02.339

technology he's got several foxtrot

 

0:11:59.040,0:12:04.260

calls yeah and uh and knows how to use

 

0:12:02.339,0:12:07.079

them well and I mean he's I think he's

 

0:12:04.260,0:12:08.940

78 years old this year and he's still

 

0:12:07.079,0:12:11.160

every you know every few weeks I'll get

 

0:12:08.940,0:12:13.320

a picture pop up on my phone where he's

 

0:12:11.160,0:12:15.480

gone up on the mountain or out in the

 

0:12:13.320,0:12:18.180

desert and called in another coyote and

 

0:12:15.480,0:12:20.940

killed it but he still packs that same

 

0:12:18.180,0:12:23.640

old wood Cersei call I mean it's all the

 

0:12:20.940,0:12:25.200

Finish he's all rubbed off of it but he

 

0:12:23.640,0:12:28.560

still uses it and he still packs that

 

0:12:25.200,0:12:30.600

same old wood call how what uh you said

 

0:12:28.560,0:12:32.700

he was pretty young how long ago was

 

0:12:30.600,0:12:35.940

that when he actually started calling

 

0:12:32.700,0:12:37.980

for Kyle oh he would have been

 

0:12:35.940,0:12:40.260

I'm pretty sure that would have been you

 

0:12:37.980,0:12:44.180

know he would have been early 20s so I

 

0:12:40.260,0:12:46.980

don't so I don't know you know yeah yeah

 

0:12:44.180,0:12:48.720

56 years ago and that you know he still

 

0:12:46.980,0:12:50.760

packs that call around that calls that

 

0:12:48.720,0:12:52.260

old I can't even imagine how many so

 

0:12:50.760,0:12:54.600

that's that's pretty crazy just talking

 

0:12:52.260,0:12:56.940

about you know like I was saying a lot

 

0:12:54.600,0:12:59.579

of guys here in the East and some other

 

0:12:56.940,0:13:01.980

states we don't have that long you know

 

0:12:59.579,0:13:03.779

some guys do that long tradition of

 

0:13:01.980,0:13:05.820

actual coyote hunting because we really

 

0:13:03.779,0:13:08.160

didn't even have the coyote numbers to

 

0:13:05.820,0:13:10.800

go after and it it's yeah it's cool

 

0:13:08.160,0:13:12.779

hearing you talk about uh the evolution

 

0:13:10.800,0:13:14.820

of your dad getting into hunting because

 

0:13:12.779,0:13:16.860

I kind of imagined him being like me

 

0:13:14.820,0:13:19.740

when I started out as a teenager in the

 

0:13:16.860,0:13:22.260

90s uh when we started seeing uh

 

0:13:19.740,0:13:24.480

depredation from coyotes and you know in

 

0:13:22.260,0:13:25.800

Calvin season and stuff like that I

 

0:13:24.480,0:13:27.120

first started out just kind of deer

 

0:13:25.800,0:13:28.800

hunting you know just going after

 

0:13:27.120,0:13:30.480

setting up just see if I couldn't catch

 

0:13:28.800,0:13:33.180

them coming into the pasture fields and

 

0:13:30.480,0:13:35.880

and whatever and then kind of like your

 

0:13:33.180,0:13:37.560

dad I found out I got a hand call that's

 

0:13:35.880,0:13:41.339

talking to some guys read some stuff

 

0:13:37.560,0:13:43.200

about hand column and uh has some kind

 

0:13:41.339,0:13:45.360

of closed Reed wooden I don't even know

 

0:13:43.200,0:13:47.519

what the brand was uh Cottontail wrap

 

0:13:45.360,0:13:49.920

distress and you know just when I turned

 

0:13:47.519,0:13:51.899

squalled on it and sure enough you know

 

0:13:49.920,0:13:54.060

called in my first coyotes with it and

 

0:13:51.899,0:13:57.959

it kind of lit that fire it went from

 

0:13:54.060,0:14:00.240

just something that I did to to help Dad

 

0:13:57.959,0:14:01.920

out with with these this depredation

 

0:14:00.240,0:14:05.220

from the coyotes to something that

 

0:14:01.920,0:14:07.620

turned into a passion and uh I'm sure

 

0:14:05.220,0:14:09.240

like your grandfather a great

 

0:14:07.620,0:14:11.579

grandfather they were doing it just out

 

0:14:09.240,0:14:14.040

of necessity they had to to protect

 

0:14:11.579,0:14:15.959

their way of life their their Ranch and

 

0:14:14.040,0:14:18.420

protecting their chickens sheep and so

 

0:14:15.959,0:14:21.660

on so I think it's pretty cool uh you

 

0:14:18.420,0:14:23.880

talking about how your dad went from you

 

0:14:21.660,0:14:25.620

know just just hunting them to to be in

 

0:14:23.880,0:14:29.160

a coyote collar

 

0:14:25.620,0:14:31.500

yeah you know and when my uh when my dad

 

0:14:29.160,0:14:34.380

was in high school in the Summers

 

0:14:31.500,0:14:37.200

he would uh he'd go on the mountain with

 

0:14:34.380,0:14:39.300

the Sheep herds for you know my grandpa

 

0:14:37.200,0:14:41.639

and all my cousins that had

 

0:14:39.300,0:14:44.699

that had herds of sheep and even still

 

0:14:41.639,0:14:48.320

to this day my favorite stand

 

0:14:44.699,0:14:51.480

that I try to make every year

 

0:14:48.320,0:14:52.800

it's in Colorado you drive up to the

 

0:14:51.480,0:14:55.500

edge of the Wilderness and then it's

 

0:14:52.800,0:14:57.480

about a three and a half hour hike Into

 

0:14:55.500,0:14:59.519

the Wilderness up on top you're above

 

0:14:57.480,0:15:02.519

the Timberline and it's just this great

 

0:14:59.519,0:15:04.199

big flat mounting up on top and my dad

 

0:15:02.519,0:15:06.480

when he was a kid would go up there with

 

0:15:04.199,0:15:08.220

a sheep herd and you had a couple horses

 

0:15:06.480,0:15:10.079

and a pack string that you'd carry your

 

0:15:08.220,0:15:11.519

camp in there you lived in a tent and

 

0:15:10.079,0:15:13.320

he'd live up there all summer with the

 

0:15:11.519,0:15:14.699

sheep and he said the coyotes were so

 

0:15:13.320,0:15:17.100

thick up there

 

0:15:14.699,0:15:18.839

they would go out and uh

 

0:15:17.100,0:15:20.940

they had these little pots that you'd

 

0:15:18.839,0:15:22.980

put coal oil in and they'd light them on

 

0:15:20.940,0:15:25.260

fire is basically like a kind of a

 

0:15:22.980,0:15:29.579

lantern right and they'd set those

 

0:15:25.260,0:15:31.139

around the herd and you know keep those

 

0:15:29.579,0:15:33.000

little fires going to try to keep the

 

0:15:31.139,0:15:34.920

Coyotes out of the out of the sheep at

 

0:15:33.000,0:15:36.839

night and up in that High Country

 

0:15:34.920,0:15:38.339

there's a lot of Willows and you know

 

0:15:36.839,0:15:39.959

the Sheep getting those Willows and get

 

0:15:38.339,0:15:41.760

feed and boy the coyotes can get you

 

0:15:39.959,0:15:43.139

know right up on them when you've never

 

0:15:41.760,0:15:44.639

even been there even though they were

 

0:15:43.139,0:15:46.139

coming and he's the boy that coyotes had

 

0:15:44.639,0:15:48.120

just raised King with them up there and

 

0:15:46.139,0:15:49.980

he'd spend all night out lighting them

 

0:15:48.120,0:15:52.440

pots trying to keep the Coyotes out and

 

0:15:49.980,0:15:54.779

you'd try to be right there with them at

 

0:15:52.440,0:15:57.600

the crack of dawn

 

0:15:54.779,0:16:00.540

keep the Coyotes out the only gun he had

 

0:15:57.600,0:16:03.300

was an old lever action 25-35

 

0:16:00.540,0:16:05.160

and uh he said he sometimes he wondered

 

0:16:03.300,0:16:06.600

if it was even had bullets coming out

 

0:16:05.160,0:16:08.120

the end of the barrel he had such a hard

 

0:16:06.600,0:16:11.579

time hitting him with it

 

0:16:08.120,0:16:14.459

bouncing off yeah you know and so he uh

 

0:16:11.579,0:16:15.899

and he told me you know for years and

 

0:16:14.459,0:16:18.120

years when I was young he'd tell me how

 

0:16:15.899,0:16:19.560

we got to go Upon This Mountain someday

 

0:16:18.120,0:16:21.899

and see if we can call coyotes you know

 

0:16:19.560,0:16:23.339

he just when he when he first started

 

0:16:21.899,0:16:25.500

learning call cuts it was down in the

 

0:16:23.339,0:16:27.899

lower country down in the sage and uh

 

0:16:25.500,0:16:29.339

you know where you think is is pretty

 

0:16:27.899,0:16:31.500

typical Coyote Country and you know

 

0:16:29.339,0:16:32.820

there's a lot of rabbits and and he goes

 

0:16:31.500,0:16:35.040

like you know I don't know how it'd work

 

0:16:32.820,0:16:36.839

up there in that High Country you know

 

0:16:35.040,0:16:38.820

there's not really any jack rabbits and

 

0:16:36.839,0:16:39.839

you know we gotta we gotta hike up there

 

0:16:38.820,0:16:41.579

and try it

 

0:16:39.839,0:16:43.920

so one day when I was a kid I remember

 

0:16:41.579,0:16:45.660

oh man I never thought that hiking end

 

0:16:43.920,0:16:48.000

it took us you know about three and a

 

0:16:45.660,0:16:52.440

half hours to get up there yeah yeah and

 

0:16:48.000,0:16:54.360

uh we set up against uh against no uh

 

0:16:52.440,0:16:55.980

pine tree that had tipped over right on

 

0:16:54.360,0:16:58.620

the edge of Timberline

 

0:16:55.980,0:17:01.320

and dad got on his on his little hand

 

0:16:58.620,0:17:03.360

call and in about two minutes we had

 

0:17:01.320,0:17:04.740

coyotes bearing down on us like you

 

0:17:03.360,0:17:07.260

couldn't believe I mean these coyotes

 

0:17:04.740,0:17:09.540

that you know these guys had never heard

 

0:17:07.260,0:17:11.459

a call right and I mean they were just

 

0:17:09.540,0:17:14.640

they were just coming they were going to

 

0:17:11.459,0:17:17.339

eat us up and so every year sand sand

 

0:17:14.640,0:17:19.260

that's been about oh geez I don't know

 

0:17:17.339,0:17:21.600

that's been a long time ago it's been 30

 

0:17:19.260,0:17:25.559

years ago you know every year two cents

 

0:17:21.600,0:17:28.559

then we try to hike up in there and uh

 

0:17:25.559,0:17:31.799

and make that stand and boy it's a long

 

0:17:28.559,0:17:33.780

ways up in there but you know it's kind

 

0:17:31.799,0:17:35.940

of it's kind of a nostalgic thing I

 

0:17:33.780,0:17:39.660

guess because I'm hunting I'm hunting

 

0:17:35.940,0:17:43.620

country that my family ran Livestock on

 

0:17:39.660,0:17:46.740

for you know geez probably 80 years now

 

0:17:43.620,0:17:49.020

and uh you know my dad grew up there

 

0:17:46.740,0:17:51.360

when he was you know a teenage kid he

 

0:17:49.020,0:17:53.460

was up there and and me and him went up

 

0:17:51.360,0:17:56.220

there and kind of experimented calling

 

0:17:53.460,0:17:59.039

those real High Country coyotes

 

0:17:56.220,0:18:00.960

and since we've done that you know years

 

0:17:59.039,0:18:02.520

and years ago now that's some of my

 

0:18:00.960,0:18:04.200

favorite country to hunt is the High

 

0:18:02.520,0:18:06.780

Country yeah you know there may not be

 

0:18:04.200,0:18:11.539

jackrabbits up there and whatnot but

 

0:18:06.780,0:18:13.980

there's a lot of coyotes and they uh

 

0:18:11.539,0:18:17.400

it's a little different finding them up

 

0:18:13.980,0:18:19.860

in that steep rugged country but uh man

 

0:18:17.400,0:18:21.480

it's it can be a lot of fun and usually

 

0:18:19.860,0:18:22.799

that kind of country you have to hunt in

 

0:18:21.480,0:18:24.299

the summer because you know it's all

 

0:18:22.799,0:18:26.460

covered snow in the winter and you can't

 

0:18:24.299,0:18:27.600

get to it I'll tell you what I've hunted

 

0:18:26.460,0:18:30.419

a little bit of that type of stuff like

 

0:18:27.600,0:18:32.340

in Wyoming uh I tell you what it's a

 

0:18:30.419,0:18:35.539

different level of coyote too it's a

 

0:18:32.340,0:18:35.539

it's all about fluffy

 

0:18:38.539,0:18:42.840

sometimes even you know in the it's

 

0:18:41.039,0:18:44.580

usually in July when I hike up there and

 

0:18:42.840,0:18:46.980

make that stand and I've killed coyotes

 

0:18:44.580,0:18:48.240

that uh you think my goodness you know

 

0:18:46.980,0:18:50.160

how's that coyote not dying a heat

 

0:18:48.240,0:18:53.220

stroke he's got so much fur on him and

 

0:18:50.160,0:18:55.080

then uh you know a lot of times they're

 

0:18:53.220,0:18:57.179

you get up to them and they've kind of

 

0:18:55.080,0:18:58.860

half shed that right you hear coat and

 

0:18:57.179,0:19:00.360

it's still just kind of stuck to him and

 

0:18:58.860,0:19:02.640

they're getting nasty looking old things

 

0:19:00.360,0:19:04.559

but I tell you I've killed some really

 

0:19:02.640,0:19:06.720

old coyotes in the High Country I think

 

0:19:04.559,0:19:08.880

just because they don't get

 

0:19:06.720,0:19:10.500

you know the pressure and there's not as

 

0:19:08.880,0:19:13.020

many guys that hunt them up there but

 

0:19:10.500,0:19:15.000

I've always thought that was uh that was

 

0:19:13.020,0:19:16.740

a lot of fun to go up kind of make that

 

0:19:15.000,0:19:19.860

stand it has a little historical

 

0:19:16.740,0:19:22.260

significance to me and uh I think I

 

0:19:19.860,0:19:24.419

learned a lot calling coyotes on that

 

0:19:22.260,0:19:27.240

stand just in the High Country kind of

 

0:19:24.419,0:19:28.860

got my mind working about you know I

 

0:19:27.240,0:19:31.500

don't have to go out in the desert and

 

0:19:28.860,0:19:34.860

hunt the low stuff you can go up it you

 

0:19:31.500,0:19:36.480

know 10 000 feet and uh those coyotes up

 

0:19:34.860,0:19:37.860

there they need hunting too so right

 

0:19:36.480,0:19:40.260

like you said you get away from the

 

0:19:37.860,0:19:42.480

pressure and you know I I definitely

 

0:19:40.260,0:19:44.280

understand it about the nostalgic side

 

0:19:42.480,0:19:47.100

of it but you know it almost sounds like

 

0:19:44.280,0:19:48.960

you elk hun you know hiking in for three

 

0:19:47.100,0:19:51.419

hours just to go up there call it coyote

 

0:19:48.960,0:19:53.100

I'll tell you one thing it's uh

 

0:19:51.419,0:19:54.720

um if you decide you want to pack one

 

0:19:53.100,0:19:57.360

out that Coyote's a lot easier to pack

 

0:19:54.720,0:19:59.340

out of that country than an elk you know

 

0:19:57.360,0:20:01.140

you mentioned elk on one of those fans

 

0:19:59.340,0:20:02.820

it's been about oh I think it was about

 

0:20:01.140,0:20:05.039

three years ago I mean my dad were up in

 

0:20:02.820,0:20:06.419

that spot you know we hike them on that

 

0:20:05.039,0:20:08.039

Hill there's about three or four stands

 

0:20:06.419,0:20:10.260

we can make in the day walking around

 

0:20:08.039,0:20:11.760

there and by the time you get back down

 

0:20:10.260,0:20:13.679

to the trailhead and get back down to

 

0:20:11.760,0:20:16.260

the truck boy you've you know you've put

 

0:20:13.679,0:20:18.000

some miles on but we were up on there we

 

0:20:16.260,0:20:19.559

were up on there and you know there's a

 

0:20:18.000,0:20:22.559

lot of elk up there

 

0:20:19.559,0:20:27.720

we started calling one day and uh I was

 

0:20:22.559,0:20:30.179

playing I believe I started off with a

 

0:20:27.720,0:20:32.580

just a pup sound like pup three or

 

0:20:30.179,0:20:34.260

something like that right you know kind

 

0:20:32.580,0:20:37.740

of old standby

 

0:20:34.260,0:20:38.880

and my dad kind of whistled at me a

 

0:20:37.740,0:20:40.740

little bit and I thought geez you must

 

0:20:38.880,0:20:42.179

see something coming and here come I

 

0:20:40.740,0:20:45.900

mean they're going to spend 100 headed

 

0:20:42.179,0:20:47.640

cows and calves you know and they man

 

0:20:45.900,0:20:49.140

they ran right up and stood right around

 

0:20:47.640,0:20:51.360

us and just looked at us I got a video

 

0:20:49.140,0:20:53.640

on my phone of them out just pouring in

 

0:20:51.360,0:20:56.539

there to see what in the world is that

 

0:20:53.640,0:20:59.880

crazy sound cool that's pretty cool

 

0:20:56.539,0:21:02.160

yeah being in I've never seen that

 

0:20:59.880,0:21:03.600

happen but there's you know he was

 

0:21:02.160,0:21:05.460

talking about Teddy made something stand

 

0:21:03.600,0:21:07.020

out my mind and I almost kind of forgot

 

0:21:05.460,0:21:09.299

about it yes I remember

 

0:21:07.020,0:21:10.559

time me and remember it was actually it

 

0:21:09.299,0:21:12.780

was either like the last week of

 

0:21:10.559,0:21:14.580

September or first week of October you

 

0:21:12.780,0:21:17.280

know elk seasons are still in but we

 

0:21:14.580,0:21:19.020

were in some it wasn't like Timberline

 

0:21:17.280,0:21:22.080

High Country you know I'm talking about

 

0:21:19.020,0:21:24.419

like you know 8 000 foot seven thousand

 

0:21:22.080,0:21:26.039

foot stuff and and was calling I

 

0:21:24.419,0:21:27.419

remember ripped out a big house started

 

0:21:26.039,0:21:28.799

to stand off

 

0:21:27.419,0:21:30.299

and sitting there you know we always

 

0:21:28.799,0:21:31.980

wait a minute or two see if something's

 

0:21:30.299,0:21:34.440

going to respond to that and all sudden

 

0:21:31.980,0:21:37.020

I hear this distant

 

0:21:34.440,0:21:38.640

what I think's a Hal and I look over my

 

0:21:37.020,0:21:40.080

brother Phil like how we got one we

 

0:21:38.640,0:21:41.400

gonna kill this one he looks all right

 

0:21:40.080,0:21:42.480

he's like what are you what are you

 

0:21:41.400,0:21:44.340

talking about I said you hear that

 

0:21:42.480,0:21:46.919

coyote Hal and don't you say that's a

 

0:21:44.340,0:21:49.620

bull elk bugler and I said are you

 

0:21:46.919,0:21:51.840

serious he said yeah so I held again and

 

0:21:49.620,0:21:53.880

the bull the bull is answering us he's

 

0:21:51.840,0:21:55.799

so far away he thinks that I I'm

 

0:21:53.880,0:21:58.559

assuming he thought the coyote house was

 

0:21:55.799,0:22:00.299

another bull bugle so he was bugling

 

0:21:58.559,0:22:02.340

back it but that was pretty cool I

 

0:22:00.299,0:22:04.500

assure you that was pretty exciting uh

 

0:22:02.340,0:22:06.900

that you saw all the cows and the Cavs

 

0:22:04.500,0:22:08.280

running into jaw actually y'all seen

 

0:22:06.900,0:22:10.080

coyotes on that stand I'm sure not

 

0:22:08.280,0:22:12.360

without any elk running around but well

 

0:22:10.080,0:22:14.520

that we saw one coyote that popped up on

 

0:22:12.360,0:22:16.500

the ridge oh he was probably seven eight

 

0:22:14.520,0:22:18.360

hundred yards away and he parked at us a

 

0:22:16.500,0:22:20.039

little bit and that was it he didn't

 

0:22:18.360,0:22:21.720

want to come play but you know what's

 

0:22:20.039,0:22:23.100

funny you mentioned the elk answering

 

0:22:21.720,0:22:26.159

coyote call because it's only been a

 

0:22:23.100,0:22:28.440

couple days ago uh me and Jana went up

 

0:22:26.159,0:22:30.059

the canyon here and uh there's a spot

 

0:22:28.440,0:22:31.320

I'd had some coyotes answering me and

 

0:22:30.059,0:22:32.940

hadn't had a chance to go hunt him I

 

0:22:31.320,0:22:34.200

said let's run up there before dark you

 

0:22:32.940,0:22:36.539

know as soon as I get off work let's run

 

0:22:34.200,0:22:38.340

up to there and see if we can try it

 

0:22:36.539,0:22:41.280

of course she's always game for that and

 

0:22:38.340,0:22:43.679

we went up there and sit down and uh

 

0:22:41.280,0:22:45.960

I you know played a few howls and

 

0:22:43.679,0:22:47.520

thought I could hear something

 

0:22:45.960,0:22:49.140

and

 

0:22:47.520,0:22:50.760

the dogs thought you know they were

 

0:22:49.140,0:22:52.799

looking around a little bit and Jen is

 

0:22:50.760,0:22:54.659

like did you hear that I said yeah she

 

0:22:52.799,0:22:55.740

goes look across that Ridge and I'm like

 

0:22:54.659,0:22:57.000

why are you looking clear over there

 

0:22:55.740,0:22:58.380

they ain't no coyote coming you know

 

0:22:57.000,0:23:01.080

it's like a mile and a half away there

 

0:22:58.380,0:23:03.059

we go bowl standing over there yeah you

 

0:23:01.080,0:23:05.340

know and it's pretty early early for him

 

0:23:03.059,0:23:07.200

to be bugling but every time I'd uh I'd

 

0:23:05.340,0:23:09.539

rip off a howl that's what he'd do he

 

0:23:07.200,0:23:12.000

just you know he'd give us just a couple

 

0:23:09.539,0:23:14.280

Chuckles back and just you know a light

 

0:23:12.000,0:23:15.900

bugle but it was you never know what's

 

0:23:14.280,0:23:18.179

going to happen out there on that you

 

0:23:15.900,0:23:19.919

know out there on that stand I I'm sure

 

0:23:18.179,0:23:21.780

you've had plenty of times too you know

 

0:23:19.919,0:23:24.539

you talk about deer hunting and that

 

0:23:21.780,0:23:26.220

when you've been sitting on stand uh and

 

0:23:24.539,0:23:27.659

you uh especially in the summer you

 

0:23:26.220,0:23:29.280

start playing some kind of a pup

 

0:23:27.659,0:23:31.679

distress or falling distress or

 

0:23:29.280,0:23:33.900

something like that and you know you got

 

0:23:31.679,0:23:35.159

to be ready for for them old does to

 

0:23:33.900,0:23:36.720

come in there because sometimes they

 

0:23:35.159,0:23:38.520

come in there and they they got a bad

 

0:23:36.720,0:23:40.860

attitude you know they wonder what's

 

0:23:38.520,0:23:43.260

going on in there they're looking for a

 

0:23:40.860,0:23:44.640

fight I've had plenty of calls tomp I've

 

0:23:43.260,0:23:46.500

even had them come running up to a call

 

0:23:44.640,0:23:48.600

you know ripping out a few house you

 

0:23:46.500,0:23:50.159

know and that always tells me that you

 

0:23:48.600,0:23:52.380

gotta have coyotes around because you

 

0:23:50.159,0:23:53.820

know they associate that with with the

 

0:23:52.380,0:23:56.039

coyote when I hear that how they know

 

0:23:53.820,0:23:57.000

exactly what it is and uh you know

 

0:23:56.039,0:23:59.220

you're talking about the boy yeah okay

 

0:23:57.000,0:24:01.260

I'll talk about it being pretty early it

 

0:23:59.220,0:24:02.940

is September one this is first day of

 

0:24:01.260,0:24:04.860

September that you know elk seasons are

 

0:24:02.940,0:24:07.740

opening up so it's time it's time for

 

0:24:04.860,0:24:09.480

them yep yep yeah elk season's running

 

0:24:07.740,0:24:13.620

the archery Oak season's running here

 

0:24:09.480,0:24:16.080

and uh here in Utah but you know I

 

0:24:13.620,0:24:18.480

he's talking about my my dad and my

 

0:24:16.080,0:24:21.299

grandpa and everything you know I got a

 

0:24:18.480,0:24:24.240

I got a daughter that uh he's I'm gonna

 

0:24:21.299,0:24:27.600

date myself here I think but my oldest

 

0:24:24.240,0:24:30.480

daughter just turned 27.

 

0:24:27.600,0:24:33.419

and I got a boy that I believe is

 

0:24:30.480,0:24:34.860

just about ready to turn 25 and my

 

0:24:33.419,0:24:37.159

youngest daughter

 

0:24:34.860,0:24:40.080

let's see

 

0:24:37.159,0:24:41.659

two days ago turned

 

0:24:40.080,0:24:44.640

20.

 

0:24:41.659,0:24:47.159

and when she was

 

0:24:44.640,0:24:48.659

oh she's about 12 or 13.

 

0:24:47.159,0:24:50.820

I told her I said why don't you go to

 

0:24:48.659,0:24:52.919

Colorado with me and uh let's go up

 

0:24:50.820,0:24:54.480

there and you know my cousin still runs

 

0:24:52.919,0:24:56.400

sheep on all that country out there and

 

0:24:54.480,0:24:59.039

he knows where all the coyotes are so he

 

0:24:56.400,0:25:00.299

kind of gives me the inside info I took

 

0:24:59.039,0:25:04.520

her out there

 

0:25:00.299,0:25:04.520

set it up on a stand with uh

 

0:25:05.100,0:25:09.240

oh excuse me set her up on a stand and

 

0:25:08.039,0:25:13.020

uh

 

0:25:09.240,0:25:16.380

got a little 222 rifles that's you know

 

0:25:13.020,0:25:17.940

I love a 222. oh man just silly accurate

 

0:25:16.380,0:25:20.580

user friendly

 

0:25:17.940,0:25:23.580

and I set her up and I told her I said

 

0:25:20.580,0:25:26.039

this is about 100 stand right here

 

0:25:23.580,0:25:29.700

and uh you know I've never not called a

 

0:25:26.039,0:25:31.620

coyote here and you just take your time

 

0:25:29.700,0:25:34.159

if one of them shows up and just Ease on

 

0:25:31.620,0:25:34.159

that trigger

 

0:25:35.340,0:25:39.659

sorry man

 

0:25:36.840,0:25:41.460

number one coughing here

 

0:25:39.659,0:25:44.279

you might it sounds like you're you're

 

0:25:41.460,0:25:46.880

down here in Kentucky we got yeah we got

 

0:25:44.279,0:25:46.880

allergies

 

0:25:49.100,0:25:54.000

seeds blowing around by choking me death

 

0:25:51.600,0:25:55.799

hey I feel you like I said Ragweed

 

0:25:54.000,0:25:57.000

season here in the evening it's rough

 

0:25:55.799,0:25:59.400

right now

 

0:25:57.000,0:26:01.679

so anyway I got my daughter there and I

 

0:25:59.400,0:26:04.320

set up you know we're we're calling and

 

0:26:01.679,0:26:06.059

uh way out there you know I I can hear

 

0:26:04.320,0:26:07.740

the rock checks I don't know you guys

 

0:26:06.059,0:26:09.299

call them woodchucks Rock Chuck's

 

0:26:07.740,0:26:10.679

marmots out your way yeah they're

 

0:26:09.299,0:26:12.240

they're a little bit they're pretty

 

0:26:10.679,0:26:14.159

similar you know we call them they

 

0:26:12.240,0:26:15.720

actually call them groundhogs down in my

 

0:26:14.159,0:26:17.039

area but I think on up in the Northeast

 

0:26:15.720,0:26:20.760

and stuff they call them wood wood

 

0:26:17.039,0:26:22.440

Chucks but uh yeah I know exactly what

 

0:26:20.760,0:26:24.679

you're talking about yeah yellow-bellied

 

0:26:22.440,0:26:27.720

marmots I think yep

 

0:26:24.679,0:26:29.640

they are they are a coyote Hunter's best

 

0:26:27.720,0:26:32.100

friend because they will tattletail on

 

0:26:29.640,0:26:33.960

them coyotes like you can't believe and

 

0:26:32.100,0:26:36.299

so we start calling and you know about

 

0:26:33.960,0:26:38.400

I'm probably seven eight minutes in and

 

0:26:36.299,0:26:40.559

I can hear Rock Chuck way out on this

 

0:26:38.400,0:26:42.020

Ridge start chirping

 

0:26:40.559,0:26:45.000

and then

 

0:26:42.020,0:26:46.919

about two minutes later another one

 

0:26:45.000,0:26:49.200

right in front of us starts chirping and

 

0:26:46.919,0:26:51.900

here pops up the kite yeah yeah and he

 

0:26:49.200,0:26:54.539

uh walks up man my old daughter

 

0:26:51.900,0:26:55.740

one of my proud dad moments she leaned

 

0:26:54.539,0:26:58.500

on that old trigger and tipped that

 

0:26:55.740,0:27:00.480

coyote right over that's awesome oh yeah

 

0:26:58.500,0:27:03.720

she was so excited she was cool as could

 

0:27:00.480,0:27:05.880

be on the trigger yeah yep that's that's

 

0:27:03.720,0:27:07.500

it's pretty awesome here in here at all

 

0:27:05.880,0:27:09.120

the stories you know talking about you

 

0:27:07.500,0:27:11.580

know like I said you you great grand man

 

0:27:09.120,0:27:13.140

your granddad your dad you now you're

 

0:27:11.580,0:27:15.480

passing on to your kids talking about

 

0:27:13.140,0:27:18.539

you your daughter tipping over at Coyote

 

0:27:15.480,0:27:19.980

it's it's pretty cool I said a lot of us

 

0:27:18.539,0:27:22.380

here and they just don't have that long

 

0:27:19.980,0:27:23.820

running tradition uh passed down through

 

0:27:22.380,0:27:25.140

the family of coyote so I think it's

 

0:27:23.820,0:27:28.080

really cool to hear from somebody like

 

0:27:25.140,0:27:29.760

you yeah you know she was she loved it

 

0:27:28.080,0:27:31.200

she was so excited and of course the

 

0:27:29.760,0:27:33.179

first thing we had to do was drive over

 

0:27:31.200,0:27:34.860

to the edge of the mountain where she

 

0:27:33.179,0:27:38.820

could text the picture to all of her

 

0:27:34.860,0:27:40.980

friends and you know yeah got it you

 

0:27:38.820,0:27:43.020

know when I was when I was a kid you

 

0:27:40.980,0:27:44.880

know if you went hunting you'd you know

 

0:27:43.020,0:27:47.220

cell phones that hadn't even heard of

 

0:27:44.880,0:27:49.260

stuff right right and you know all these

 

0:27:47.220,0:27:50.700

pictures and and you know like my dad my

 

0:27:49.260,0:27:52.740

grandpa on that

 

0:27:50.700,0:27:53.520

they don't got no pictures any of this

 

0:27:52.740,0:27:56.460

stuff

 

0:27:53.520,0:27:58.980

and you know oh we got we got we have

 

0:27:56.460,0:28:00.720

the stories that they tell us but we

 

0:27:58.980,0:28:02.940

don't have all you know like you can go

 

0:28:00.720,0:28:04.380

on my social media and see what I've you

 

0:28:02.940,0:28:06.960

know been doing every day for the last

 

0:28:04.380,0:28:08.700

month and my kids my kids are even worse

 

0:28:06.960,0:28:11.100

you can tell where they're at every 10

 

0:28:08.700,0:28:13.740

minutes on their social media but you

 

0:28:11.100,0:28:16.799

know my my dad my grandpa my great

 

0:28:13.740,0:28:19.980

grandpa's you know all we got is the

 

0:28:16.799,0:28:21.600

stories which yeah the stories I do have

 

0:28:19.980,0:28:25.740

a picture uh

 

0:28:21.600,0:28:29.340

of my grandpa that I took and he's

 

0:28:25.740,0:28:33.059

holding a picture of

 

0:28:29.340,0:28:36.360

it's his dad's dog so my great grandpa's

 

0:28:33.059,0:28:38.580

dog and it's my grandpa and his brother

 

0:28:36.360,0:28:40.140

my uncle and they're standing there one

 

0:28:38.580,0:28:42.179

of them's riding the dog and one of them

 

0:28:40.140,0:28:44.279

standing next to it yeah and they got

 

0:28:42.179,0:28:47.220

their bib overalls on they're probably

 

0:28:44.279,0:28:50.340

they're probably five and six years old

 

0:28:47.220,0:28:52.919

and I told him I says uh

 

0:28:50.340,0:28:54.539

as his grandpa when you uh

 

0:28:52.919,0:28:55.799

when you decide you don't need that

 

0:28:54.539,0:28:58.679

picture anymore

 

0:28:55.799,0:29:01.220

I said I want it I ain't asking you for

 

0:28:58.679,0:29:03.539

anything else but I want that picture

 

0:29:01.220,0:29:06.000

he told me he says you got it do your

 

0:29:03.539,0:29:09.179

open name on the back of it and uh you

 

0:29:06.000,0:29:11.220

know he's 98 years old and I still talk

 

0:29:09.179,0:29:13.919

oh yeah I still talk to him every week

 

0:29:11.220,0:29:16.140

and uh if you didn't know you know he

 

0:29:13.919,0:29:17.880

was that old you'd never believe it when

 

0:29:16.140,0:29:20.240

I call him talk to him and he asked me

 

0:29:17.880,0:29:22.799

where we've been hunting lately

 

0:29:20.240,0:29:25.620

wants to hear the hunting story oh yeah

 

0:29:22.799,0:29:28.380

he we still talk politics and trucks and

 

0:29:25.620,0:29:29.460

guns and all kinds of stuff you know and

 

0:29:28.380,0:29:31.620

it's

 

0:29:29.460,0:29:33.840

yeah it's pretty cool we're you know

 

0:29:31.620,0:29:36.600

like I said you don't uh you may not

 

0:29:33.840,0:29:38.279

have the coyote stories that go back

 

0:29:36.600,0:29:40.679

Generations but I'm sure coming from

 

0:29:38.279,0:29:43.080

back where you're at with your uh

 

0:29:40.679,0:29:45.059

with your Traditions I bet there's a lot

 

0:29:43.080,0:29:46.340

of whitetails yeah and turkey hunting

 

0:29:45.059,0:29:48.899

stories

 

0:29:46.340,0:29:50.880

yeah a lot of that in kind of the same

 

0:29:48.899,0:29:53.820

way as you I can remember being down to

 

0:29:50.880,0:29:56.159

grandparents and great uncles and stuff

 

0:29:53.820,0:29:57.659

being there and my dad my uncles be

 

0:29:56.159,0:29:59.940

talking around you know the kitchen

 

0:29:57.659,0:30:01.140

table and telling hunting stories the

 

0:29:59.940,0:30:02.580

funny thing is we didn't have any

 

0:30:01.140,0:30:04.440

whitetails either so they'd actually

 

0:30:02.580,0:30:06.120

they'd actually travel to the Northeast

 

0:30:04.440,0:30:07.320

like up around Pennsylvania and stuff to

 

0:30:06.120,0:30:09.600

deer hunt but

 

0:30:07.320,0:30:11.279

I always you know look forward I'm

 

0:30:09.600,0:30:12.960

coming down and hearing those stories

 

0:30:11.279,0:30:14.340

and now you know you know sometimes

 

0:30:12.960,0:30:15.360

passed away and that kind of stuff but

 

0:30:14.340,0:30:17.640

there's some of them I'm still really

 

0:30:15.360,0:30:19.320

close to it's around and we still tell

 

0:30:17.640,0:30:21.480

the stories and and they want to hear

 

0:30:19.320,0:30:23.159

the coyote hunt stories because you know

 

0:30:21.480,0:30:24.960

they've never got to experience it but

 

0:30:23.159,0:30:26.460

they think it's so interesting and

 

0:30:24.960,0:30:28.380

always look forward to me telling that

 

0:30:26.460,0:30:30.539

stuff and of course I like telling them

 

0:30:28.380,0:30:31.799

I like telling stories I like I like

 

0:30:30.539,0:30:33.179

hearing the stories and you know you're

 

0:30:31.799,0:30:36.120

talking about taking pictures and stuff

 

0:30:33.179,0:30:37.799

you know of course you know I'm I'm just

 

0:30:36.120,0:30:39.419

as bad as anybody if I kill a coyote You

 

0:30:37.799,0:30:40.980

Gonna Know About You Gonna See pictures

 

0:30:39.419,0:30:42.600

and all that kind of stuff but when I

 

0:30:40.980,0:30:44.460

first started doing it there was nobody

 

0:30:42.600,0:30:46.799

to share it with I remember the first

 

0:30:44.460,0:30:48.480

ones I first coyotes I killed that I

 

0:30:46.799,0:30:50.640

actually called in

 

0:30:48.480,0:30:52.380

um you know I was pretty young and I

 

0:30:50.640,0:30:53.820

mean I was driving age but I can

 

0:30:52.380,0:30:55.080

remember throwing them things up in the

 

0:30:53.820,0:30:57.600

back of the truck and going to the

 

0:30:55.080,0:30:59.820

Stockyards it was on a Saturday and my

 

0:30:57.600,0:31:01.799

dad and uncle were at the at Stockyard

 

0:30:59.820,0:31:03.840

were selling calves that morning but I

 

0:31:01.799,0:31:06.059

went right into the sale barn right into

 

0:31:03.840,0:31:07.500

the show ring and said you know grad hey

 

0:31:06.059,0:31:09.360

I got coyote Terror truck you need to

 

0:31:07.500,0:31:10.980

check this out of course half the half

 

0:31:09.360,0:31:12.179

the sale barn come out to check it out

 

0:31:10.980,0:31:14.779

that's how you know I got a lot of

 

0:31:12.179,0:31:17.340

coyote ground that day but you know it's

 

0:31:14.779,0:31:19.080

just just cool so let's get back to the

 

0:31:17.340,0:31:21.000

let's get back to the coyote stuff here

 

0:31:19.080,0:31:22.200

John I know you're a year-round Predator

 

0:31:21.000,0:31:24.659

Hunter

 

0:31:22.200,0:31:26.460

um what is your favorite time to to

 

0:31:24.659,0:31:28.200

coyote hunt I know you do some decoy dog

 

0:31:26.460,0:31:31.500

and stuff so I know summer probably

 

0:31:28.200,0:31:32.580

holds a uh you know a special place in

 

0:31:31.500,0:31:34.200

your heart especially with the

 

0:31:32.580,0:31:36.960

background with the dogs

 

0:31:34.200,0:31:39.600

yeah I really enjoy

 

0:31:36.960,0:31:42.720

you know hunting with dogs I've had

 

0:31:39.600,0:31:44.640

hound dogs I've had bird dogs and and uh

 

0:31:42.720,0:31:47.279

you know my family's always had some

 

0:31:44.640,0:31:50.100

kind of a coyote dog ever since I was

 

0:31:47.279,0:31:52.140

little even our stock dogs we had on the

 

0:31:50.100,0:31:54.779

farms when I was young were all

 

0:31:52.140,0:31:55.500

you know pretty decent coyote dogs and

 

0:31:54.779,0:31:57.240

uh

 

0:31:55.500,0:31:59.399

they uh

 

0:31:57.240,0:32:02.640

you know I just I love hunting with dogs

 

0:31:59.399,0:32:05.100

so I enjoy getting out in the in the

 

0:32:02.640,0:32:09.179

spring when they uh they really start

 

0:32:05.100,0:32:12.240

getting territorial all the way till

 

0:32:09.179,0:32:13.980

probably about the end of this month you

 

0:32:12.240,0:32:16.320

know the dogging kind of starts to die

 

0:32:13.980,0:32:17.760

off and they the pups disperse and Mom

 

0:32:16.320,0:32:19.559

and Dad are kind of like all right

 

0:32:17.760,0:32:22.500

you're on your own I'm done trying to

 

0:32:19.559,0:32:24.720

protect you from the world and right and

 

0:32:22.500,0:32:27.480

uh so as much as I love hunting big

 

0:32:24.720,0:32:30.360

furred up wintertime coyotes I'd say

 

0:32:27.480,0:32:32.640

probably the the summer is probably my

 

0:32:30.360,0:32:35.760

number one

 

0:32:32.640,0:32:38.159

favorite time to hunt but also

 

0:32:35.760,0:32:39.779

you know it's fun to get out in the in

 

0:32:38.159,0:32:42.600

the winter and watch them roll in when

 

0:32:39.779,0:32:44.940

they're big furred up oh man you know I

 

0:32:42.600,0:32:46.500

I've had the chance to hunt Alberta a

 

0:32:44.940,0:32:50.100

couple times and those coyotes up there

 

0:32:46.500,0:32:52.740

they they're huge they're white and you

 

0:32:50.100,0:32:55.740

know they fur up really good money guy

 

0:32:52.740,0:32:58.260

what's up here oh yeah I mean I've had a

 

0:32:55.740,0:33:01.080

couple stands up there with uh

 

0:32:58.260,0:33:03.299

with Al where we had you know five six

 

0:33:01.080,0:33:04.980

eight coyotes running in and it looks

 

0:33:03.299,0:33:07.559

like I heard of polar bears coming at

 

0:33:04.980,0:33:10.020

you right and so you know that's a lot

 

0:33:07.559,0:33:12.539

of fun too I really

 

0:33:10.020,0:33:14.460

the thing that uh kind of works for me

 

0:33:12.539,0:33:18.299

in the summer is mostly auctions and

 

0:33:14.460,0:33:21.179

stuff I do or weekend events and most of

 

0:33:18.299,0:33:24.000

that is in the winter

 

0:33:21.179,0:33:25.919

to those winter months is kind of a real

 

0:33:24.000,0:33:28.260

busy time for me and so I have a hard

 

0:33:25.919,0:33:30.779

time getting out as much as I'd like

 

0:33:28.260,0:33:32.640

but in the spring and summer it kind of

 

0:33:30.779,0:33:35.220

my schedule kind of

 

0:33:32.640,0:33:37.140

lightens up a little bit and the country

 

0:33:35.220,0:33:39.299

I like to hunt kind of snow kind of

 

0:33:37.140,0:33:41.220

melts it's like you know it's probably

 

0:33:39.299,0:33:43.740

as much as that's when I have the time

 

0:33:41.220,0:33:45.899

to get out as anything right and you

 

0:33:43.740,0:33:48.120

know I I hear guys talking all the time

 

0:33:45.899,0:33:49.799

you know well I'm I'm you know when the

 

0:33:48.120,0:33:52.140

barometric pressure's got to be right

 

0:33:49.799,0:33:53.760

and the moon's got to be right and all

 

0:33:52.140,0:33:56.519

this kind of stuff well all that plays

 

0:33:53.760,0:33:58.500

into it I'll give them that but my

 

0:33:56.519,0:34:00.299

number one favorite time to go hunting

 

0:33:58.500,0:34:02.460

coyotes is when I have time that's

 

0:34:00.299,0:34:04.980

exactly and so that kind of determines

 

0:34:02.460,0:34:07.799

when I go whether it's full moon or not

 

0:34:04.980,0:34:09.899

man I get that question a lot bye bye

 

0:34:07.799,0:34:11.940

guys I think especially from guys that

 

0:34:09.899,0:34:13.139

come from the Whitetail world uh you

 

0:34:11.940,0:34:16.619

know they pay attention to that stuff

 

0:34:13.139,0:34:18.839

moon phases and and barometric pressures

 

0:34:16.619,0:34:20.639

and all this crazy stuff and and like

 

0:34:18.839,0:34:22.500

you said I know it's got to have

 

0:34:20.639,0:34:24.000

something to do with it but I'm not been

 

0:34:22.500,0:34:25.500

one that's been good about keeping

 

0:34:24.000,0:34:27.060

record for that type of stuff and I

 

0:34:25.500,0:34:29.520

always tell them hey man if you can get

 

0:34:27.060,0:34:32.899

the win right and you got the time go

 

0:34:29.520,0:34:35.760

pour it on them you'll call them up

 

0:34:32.899,0:34:38.460

well yeah you will and if you know and

 

0:34:35.760,0:34:40.679

even

 

0:34:38.460,0:34:43.320

I used to think all the time that if if

 

0:34:40.679,0:34:45.240

I went out and uh you know didn't call

 

0:34:43.320,0:34:47.159

didn't I was sitting over a great

 

0:34:45.240,0:34:48.240

looking Valley or a nice looking Sage

 

0:34:47.159,0:34:50.580

flat

 

0:34:48.240,0:34:52.980

and I didn't call something in you know

 

0:34:50.580,0:34:55.320

I was obviously doing something wrong

 

0:34:52.980,0:34:57.000

right and uh first time you could have

 

0:34:55.320,0:34:58.560

done different something I could have

 

0:34:57.000,0:34:59.760

done different well I still think

 

0:34:58.560,0:35:00.960

there's probably always something I

 

0:34:59.760,0:35:03.720

could have done different or maybe a

 

0:35:00.960,0:35:05.280

little better but sometimes they don't

 

0:35:03.720,0:35:06.900

they just don't want to play and

 

0:35:05.280,0:35:09.359

sometimes they ain't there you know what

 

0:35:06.900,0:35:11.640

I mean well that's that's that was going

 

0:35:09.359,0:35:13.260

to be my next thing I guys asked me all

 

0:35:11.640,0:35:14.040

the time and uh you know that's a whole

 

0:35:13.260,0:35:15.900

nother

 

0:35:14.040,0:35:17.700

that's a whole nother rabbit hole we

 

0:35:15.900,0:35:19.740

could go down as you know guys say well

 

0:35:17.700,0:35:22.680

you know how do you how do you know

 

0:35:19.740,0:35:25.140

where to go well I spend a lot of time

 

0:35:22.680,0:35:27.060

scouting a lot of time scouting I

 

0:35:25.140,0:35:29.280

probably I take more scouting trips than

 

0:35:27.060,0:35:32.160

I do hunting trips and uh

 

0:35:29.280,0:35:33.839

so you know if you gotta you gotta be

 

0:35:32.160,0:35:35.700

calling to coyotes I tell guys all the

 

0:35:33.839,0:35:38.280

time are you sure they're there well

 

0:35:35.700,0:35:39.720

yeah two years ago when I was right deer

 

0:35:38.280,0:35:42.420

hunting I seen one run across the road

 

0:35:39.720,0:35:44.160

right there now well hard hard to call

 

0:35:42.420,0:35:46.200

up a coyote where there is no coyotes

 

0:35:44.160,0:35:48.480

yep if you're calling the empty country

 

0:35:46.200,0:35:51.060

you're going to have some dry stands so

 

0:35:48.480,0:35:53.160

all right so you think it's uh

 

0:35:51.060,0:35:54.720

what what do you think is some of the

 

0:35:53.160,0:35:56.339

one of the biggest mistakes that you see

 

0:35:54.720,0:35:58.140

coyote Hunters make especially new

 

0:35:56.339,0:35:59.420

coyote Hunters make would you say it the

 

0:35:58.140,0:36:02.760

scouting

 

0:35:59.420,0:36:04.859

well yeah I

 

0:36:02.760,0:36:07.440

I'd say that's one of the

 

0:36:04.859,0:36:09.480

one of the aspects that guys could spend

 

0:36:07.440,0:36:12.060

a lot more time doing it and I

 

0:36:09.480,0:36:14.400

understand times times precious and hard

 

0:36:12.060,0:36:16.619

to come by it's something I really enjoy

 

0:36:14.400,0:36:18.720

doing right you know going out and

 

0:36:16.619,0:36:21.599

finding coyotes and and learning where

 

0:36:18.720,0:36:24.960

they're at and I've even kind of decided

 

0:36:21.599,0:36:28.140

that uh I can tell when they answer me

 

0:36:24.960,0:36:30.780

if they're giving me a big old long you

 

0:36:28.140,0:36:33.960

know chippy sounding

 

0:36:30.780,0:36:36.240

really aggressive sound and how they're

 

0:36:33.960,0:36:38.160

probably going to want to play if I go

 

0:36:36.240,0:36:40.320

out and play the siren and you know and

 

0:36:38.160,0:36:42.720

the coyote locator and all I get is one

 

0:36:40.320,0:36:44.160

or two booger barks yeah they're kind of

 

0:36:42.720,0:36:47.660

telling me I know what you are cowboy

 

0:36:44.160,0:36:50.160

and I ain't interested you know and and

 

0:36:47.660,0:36:52.320

you know I'm still gonna probably go try

 

0:36:50.160,0:36:55.200

them but they're probably gonna push me

 

0:36:52.320,0:36:56.880

right yeah I know there's one there and

 

0:36:55.200,0:36:59.280

I'm gonna go try them but you know I had

 

0:36:56.880,0:37:01.619

one the other night that uh

 

0:36:59.280,0:37:04.920

you know I went out and and uh played

 

0:37:01.619,0:37:07.079

the siren usually started locators with

 

0:37:04.920,0:37:09.119

the siren and uh didn't get enough and

 

0:37:07.079,0:37:10.500

played a you know played a group pile

 

0:37:09.119,0:37:12.300

and the locator

 

0:37:10.500,0:37:14.400

group and uh

 

0:37:12.300,0:37:16.260

I got a couple booger barks down in the

 

0:37:14.400,0:37:18.180

brush not that far away and I snuck down

 

0:37:16.260,0:37:20.520

there with my Fireball I never seen

 

0:37:18.180,0:37:22.980

hiding her hair that thing really and it

 

0:37:20.520,0:37:24.540

it would know he was and he was in a

 

0:37:22.980,0:37:26.640

spot where I know he probably gets

 

0:37:24.540,0:37:28.500

messed with a lot but then they go

 

0:37:26.640,0:37:30.599

around the hill and

 

0:37:28.500,0:37:33.540

hit the siren again and down below me

 

0:37:30.599,0:37:36.720

you know I just get this big old blow up

 

0:37:33.540,0:37:39.599

a pair going crazy down there and they

 

0:37:36.720,0:37:42.000

just sounded a lot more excited and you

 

0:37:39.599,0:37:45.180

know three minutes into that stand and

 

0:37:42.000,0:37:47.520

one of them bit the dirt so what it's

 

0:37:45.180,0:37:49.079

what what sounds do you like to locate

 

0:37:47.520,0:37:50.880

with John what's your like if you're

 

0:37:49.079,0:37:52.920

gonna go out tonight try to locate some

 

0:37:50.880,0:37:55.380

coyotes get a get a beat on them to

 

0:37:52.920,0:37:58.020

either go later on that evening after or

 

0:37:55.380,0:37:59.700

or a couple days down the road what what

 

0:37:58.020,0:38:01.560

what sounds you like to play try to

 

0:37:59.700,0:38:03.359

locate these coyotes well I've kind of

 

0:38:01.560,0:38:04.980

you know I've kind of changed my mind on

 

0:38:03.359,0:38:07.200

this I've thought a lot about this and

 

0:38:04.980,0:38:10.380

I've talked to a lot of guys you know

 

0:38:07.200,0:38:11.940

about this there's an old uh Trapper Old

 

0:38:10.380,0:38:14.820

Government Trapper where I grew up that

 

0:38:11.940,0:38:16.859

used to uh work on the

 

0:38:14.820,0:38:19.680

on the mountain and try to keep the

 

0:38:16.859,0:38:21.300

problem Coyotes out of the sheep Carlson

 

0:38:19.680,0:38:23.339

was his name and he was just one of the

 

0:38:21.300,0:38:26.160

coolest guys ever he had awesome dogs

 

0:38:23.339,0:38:27.599

and he just kind of walked with a limp

 

0:38:26.160,0:38:31.500

and he's just the funniest guy in the

 

0:38:27.599,0:38:33.720

world to talk to and uh he had an old

 

0:38:31.500,0:38:37.440

siren with a hand crank on it like an

 

0:38:33.720,0:38:41.400

old fire sirens yeah yeah you know well

 

0:38:37.440,0:38:43.020

now we got that on the Foxpro and he

 

0:38:41.400,0:38:44.820

told me he says in coyote so howl at

 

0:38:43.020,0:38:46.680

that just like you know just like when

 

0:38:44.820,0:38:48.240

the ambulance goes down the road in your

 

0:38:46.680,0:38:49.500

house dog house and I always thought he

 

0:38:48.240,0:38:52.260

was crazy well

 

0:38:49.500,0:38:55.140

uh you know now you go out with the fox

 

0:38:52.260,0:38:58.619

Pro and I'll just fire up that siren

 

0:38:55.140,0:39:00.660

and a lot of times as soon as you turn

 

0:38:58.619,0:39:04.020

it off they're talking back to you yeah

 

0:39:00.660,0:39:07.200

so I really like to use that siren I

 

0:39:04.020,0:39:09.540

used to start out with house first yeah

 

0:39:07.200,0:39:11.520

and I'd find fairly often

 

0:39:09.540,0:39:14.160

you know they're not just answering you

 

0:39:11.520,0:39:15.599

they're coming in yeah you know I've had

 

0:39:14.160,0:39:17.280

them run up to the truck I've had them

 

0:39:15.599,0:39:19.200

run across the road I've had them run up

 

0:39:17.280,0:39:19.980

on the hill bark at me and I kind of

 

0:39:19.200,0:39:23.160

thought well that's kind of

 

0:39:19.980,0:39:24.960

counterproductive yeah so I try I try to

 

0:39:23.160,0:39:27.599

kind of steer away from when I'm

 

0:39:24.960,0:39:28.560

locating I kind of steer away from Lone

 

0:39:27.599,0:39:30.240

house

 

0:39:28.560,0:39:32.160

because I think that has a tendency to

 

0:39:30.240,0:39:34.440

call them in as much as anything but I

 

0:39:32.160,0:39:35.820

usually start with the siren play the

 

0:39:34.440,0:39:39.420

siren for

 

0:39:35.820,0:39:41.099

oh 25 30 seconds shut it off listen give

 

0:39:39.420,0:39:43.800

them a couple minutes and then I'll play

 

0:39:41.099,0:39:45.480

like I think the coyote locator sound

 

0:39:43.800,0:39:48.119

and that's what it's called on my call

 

0:39:45.480,0:39:51.119

on the Fox Bros coyote locator yep it's

 

0:39:48.119,0:39:53.220

a great big group Hal yeah big group Hal

 

0:39:51.119,0:39:55.920

it's not aggressive it's not really

 

0:39:53.220,0:39:57.480

threatening you know at least doesn't

 

0:39:55.920,0:40:00.180

sound to me like it and it just kind of

 

0:39:57.480,0:40:01.920

gets them going and uh play that a

 

0:40:00.180,0:40:04.020

couple times sometimes I'll play the

 

0:40:01.920,0:40:07.140

pair of your pals

 

0:40:04.020,0:40:09.359

and uh you know and then I'll sit there

 

0:40:07.140,0:40:12.180

and as crazy as it sounds you know a lot

 

0:40:09.359,0:40:13.680

of times I'm sure you've had this too A

 

0:40:12.180,0:40:15.599

lot of times you shut the call off and

 

0:40:13.680,0:40:17.579

they're talking to you you know and

 

0:40:15.599,0:40:19.200

they're right there but I'll sit there

 

0:40:17.579,0:40:20.760

for 10 minutes and this surprise you how

 

0:40:19.200,0:40:23.040

many times you know you haven't made a

 

0:40:20.760,0:40:25.020

sound for five or six minutes and

 

0:40:23.040,0:40:28.380

they're they're they'll start answering

 

0:40:25.020,0:40:30.420

they'll start talking back yep so and

 

0:40:28.380,0:40:33.540

you know what as fun as it is to watch

 

0:40:30.420,0:40:36.060

it watch a coyote come charging into the

 

0:40:33.540,0:40:37.560

call it's a lot of fun to go out and

 

0:40:36.060,0:40:39.240

think I think there's coyotes in this

 

0:40:37.560,0:40:41.400

country I've seen tracks in the road

 

0:40:39.240,0:40:43.200

I've seen scat in the road I'm gonna see

 

0:40:41.400,0:40:44.700

where they're hanging out at night

 

0:40:43.200,0:40:45.839

and you go out there and you get them

 

0:40:44.700,0:40:48.180

talking to you and you get them

 

0:40:45.839,0:40:49.260

answering and you start formulating a

 

0:40:48.180,0:40:51.240

game plan

 

0:40:49.260,0:40:53.160

you know if you're if you're night

 

0:40:51.240,0:40:54.720

hunting if you're thermal hunting you

 

0:40:53.160,0:40:55.859

know I'm immediately thinking well I'm

 

0:40:54.720,0:40:56.700

gonna walk over there to the edge of

 

0:40:55.859,0:40:58.619

that

 

0:40:56.700,0:41:01.920

that healer I'm gonna make a setup or

 

0:40:58.619,0:41:03.780

right you know if you're day Hunter

 

0:41:01.920,0:41:05.099

uh you know you're thinking well I can

 

0:41:03.780,0:41:06.720

come in here tomorrow morning when the

 

0:41:05.099,0:41:08.640

wind is probably going to be coming this

 

0:41:06.720,0:41:09.900

direction I can sneak down there on the

 

0:41:08.640,0:41:12.480

edge of that field

 

0:41:09.900,0:41:15.960

and uh you know it's going to be game on

 

0:41:12.480,0:41:18.839

and you'll learn a lot I think by going

 

0:41:15.960,0:41:20.940

out and locating and talking to those

 

0:41:18.839,0:41:22.740

coyotes and

 

0:41:20.940,0:41:24.780

sometimes you find them where you'd

 

0:41:22.740,0:41:27.240

never expect it and sometimes you look

 

0:41:24.780,0:41:28.740

at some really pretty country

 

0:41:27.240,0:41:31.440

and

 

0:41:28.740,0:41:33.359

they just they don't seem to be there

 

0:41:31.440,0:41:34.800

there's a place up on the hill above

 

0:41:33.359,0:41:36.780

town or

 

0:41:34.800,0:41:40.140

I go up the road and you know I know

 

0:41:36.780,0:41:43.020

several spots where

 

0:41:40.140,0:41:44.940

every year I can go in and and you know

 

0:41:43.020,0:41:45.900

call up a pair have they've had pretty

 

0:41:44.940,0:41:48.119

good luck

 

0:41:45.900,0:41:50.640

and then drive around the hill a few

 

0:41:48.119,0:41:52.260

miles and there's a probably a five mile

 

0:41:50.640,0:41:54.180

stretch it looks like the same country

 

0:41:52.260,0:41:56.220

but for years now I've never been able

 

0:41:54.180,0:41:57.599

to get a coyote to say a word there and

 

0:41:56.220,0:41:59.820

I don't know why okay but you keep

 

0:41:57.599,0:42:01.200

trying it don't you I keep trying it but

 

0:41:59.820,0:42:03.060

they're never there you know and I'll go

 

0:42:01.200,0:42:04.320

walk the roads and that once a while

 

0:42:03.060,0:42:05.640

you'll see a track or something where

 

0:42:04.320,0:42:07.260

one's gone through but it seems like

 

0:42:05.640,0:42:08.940

there's just places where they just like

 

0:42:07.260,0:42:11.099

to hang out in some places they don't

 

0:42:08.940,0:42:13.260

right I guess only they would know why

 

0:42:11.099,0:42:15.540

because I can't figure it out but

 

0:42:13.260,0:42:17.760

when you go out and you you know spend

 

0:42:15.540,0:42:19.079

some time with the howler and the that

 

0:42:17.760,0:42:21.359

siren

 

0:42:19.079,0:42:23.640

uh you know you learn a lot about them

 

0:42:21.359,0:42:26.099

and you learn where they hang you learn

 

0:42:23.640,0:42:28.380

you learn you know where they're at and

 

0:42:26.099,0:42:30.060

and uh kind of help formulate a game

 

0:42:28.380,0:42:31.800

plan before you walk in so you're not

 

0:42:30.060,0:42:34.140

just calling blind

 

0:42:31.800,0:42:36.060

you know so like you say I think a lot

 

0:42:34.140,0:42:38.700

of new coyote Hunters

 

0:42:36.060,0:42:40.380

it's frustrating but I think you know I

 

0:42:38.700,0:42:41.820

know that was the case for me for years

 

0:42:40.380,0:42:43.920

and years I'm calling to empty country

 

0:42:41.820,0:42:45.720

right and you know that's uh that's

 

0:42:43.920,0:42:47.820

something cool like I said you learn you

 

0:42:45.720,0:42:49.800

learn a lot doing that type of stuff and

 

0:42:47.820,0:42:51.359

like these places that you find coyotes

 

0:42:49.800,0:42:53.160

and you go in there and and you get

 

0:42:51.359,0:42:56.280

those coyotes killed

 

0:42:53.160,0:42:58.440

um you've a lot of times I've found in

 

0:42:56.280,0:43:01.560

the over the years that a lot of times

 

0:42:58.440,0:43:03.359

if if if a coyote likes a particular

 

0:43:01.560,0:43:05.339

area you can kill the Coyotes out of it

 

0:43:03.359,0:43:07.680

and these Transit coyotes come running

 

0:43:05.339,0:43:08.880

through they end up gagging up in those

 

0:43:07.680,0:43:10.260

areas too you know there's something

 

0:43:08.880,0:43:12.000

there that holds them I don't know what

 

0:43:10.260,0:43:15.060

it is and just like Houston there's

 

0:43:12.000,0:43:16.980

areas that you never find coyotes in uh

 

0:43:15.060,0:43:18.359

why is that I don't know evidently

 

0:43:16.980,0:43:20.160

there's something there that they do not

 

0:43:18.359,0:43:22.800

like but these areas that you can go in

 

0:43:20.160,0:43:24.540

and uh you can kill coyotes in out of

 

0:43:22.800,0:43:26.099

them a couple times a year year in and

 

0:43:24.540,0:43:29.700

year out

 

0:43:26.099,0:43:31.920

yeah it's it's you know uh

 

0:43:29.700,0:43:34.560

I'm not as smart as a coyote I don't

 

0:43:31.920,0:43:36.540

have any any idea why some sometimes

 

0:43:34.560,0:43:39.359

they'll like one draw and then the next

 

0:43:36.540,0:43:41.400

draw over you know it looks just as good

 

0:43:39.359,0:43:44.220

and I can never get them there I can

 

0:43:41.400,0:43:46.560

never find him there so

 

0:43:44.220,0:43:48.359

you talk about uh you know hunting some

 

0:43:46.560,0:43:49.740

of his higher country some and I'm gonna

 

0:43:48.359,0:43:52.200

change gears on you a little bit because

 

0:43:49.740,0:43:54.540

it's something I've always wondered uh

 

0:43:52.200,0:43:57.359

you know some of this higher country in

 

0:43:54.540,0:43:59.579

the spring late spring summer and early

 

0:43:57.359,0:44:01.859

fall months you ever you ever call up

 

0:43:59.579,0:44:02.700

any bears or or lines or anything like

 

0:44:01.859,0:44:07.020

that

 

0:44:02.700,0:44:08.460

I've called up a couple uh a couple

 

0:44:07.020,0:44:10.319

mountain lions

 

0:44:08.460,0:44:11.520

I've never called up a bear that I know

 

0:44:10.319,0:44:15.180

of

 

0:44:11.520,0:44:18.060

uh I've done some colony and grizzly

 

0:44:15.180,0:44:20.640

country in Montana and you're always

 

0:44:18.060,0:44:25.140

just a little bit

 

0:44:20.640,0:44:26.280

more aware yeah you know because you

 

0:44:25.140,0:44:28.740

know it

 

0:44:26.280,0:44:30.839

do I plan on calling one in no but

 

0:44:28.740,0:44:32.880

nobody else gets crunched by a Grizzly

 

0:44:30.839,0:44:34.319

probably plans on it either you know so

 

0:44:32.880,0:44:35.880

I have a tendency to look behind me

 

0:44:34.319,0:44:39.180

probably a little more often in that

 

0:44:35.880,0:44:41.160

country but uh we were uh me and Jan

 

0:44:39.180,0:44:42.900

were hunting in Montana last year he was

 

0:44:41.160,0:44:44.339

actually thermal hunting right too far

 

0:44:42.900,0:44:48.119

from her house yeah

 

0:44:44.339,0:44:50.339

we had some coyotes talking up on the

 

0:44:48.119,0:44:52.380

hill and I had a

 

0:44:50.339,0:44:53.940

thermal scanner and I said and she was

 

0:44:52.380,0:44:55.619

on the gun I said I'll walk you up the

 

0:44:53.940,0:44:56.880

hill and you kind of watch down the draw

 

0:44:55.619,0:44:58.260

there and she says like see something

 

0:44:56.880,0:45:00.240

coming down

 

0:44:58.260,0:45:02.880

down through the field

 

0:45:00.240,0:45:05.460

I looked at it and I you know I just

 

0:45:02.880,0:45:07.260

assumed it's a coyote and I says well

 

0:45:05.460,0:45:08.760

you know it's just moving slow but it's

 

0:45:07.260,0:45:11.040

coming and when it steps out of the

 

0:45:08.760,0:45:12.660

brush there just dump it

 

0:45:11.040,0:45:13.920

I kept waiting for it to shoot and

 

0:45:12.660,0:45:15.660

waiting for it shooting I'd look back

 

0:45:13.920,0:45:17.280

over and it's still coming but it's slow

 

0:45:15.660,0:45:18.900

you know and with a thermal you can see

 

0:45:17.280,0:45:22.200

it kind of glowing through the brush

 

0:45:18.900,0:45:24.180

right and uh assuming it's a coyote

 

0:45:22.200,0:45:26.460

something short

 

0:45:24.180,0:45:27.900

and she says all right it's almost here

 

0:45:26.460,0:45:29.819

you know and I'm still watching for the

 

0:45:27.900,0:45:31.680

ones to come over the hill

 

0:45:29.819,0:45:33.000

they kind of shut up and went away I

 

0:45:31.680,0:45:34.619

guess they didn't want to play and I'm

 

0:45:33.000,0:45:36.960

so I turned back over where she's

 

0:45:34.619,0:45:38.220

looking and I I just want to steps out

 

0:45:36.960,0:45:40.500

dump it

 

0:45:38.220,0:45:42.859

she says that's not a coyote

 

0:45:40.500,0:45:46.260

that's what do you mean today to Coyote

 

0:45:42.859,0:45:48.660

and uh sure enough big old lion stepped

 

0:45:46.260,0:45:50.520

right out all right about 70 yards

 

0:45:48.660,0:45:54.540

what'd it come into what have you called

 

0:45:50.520,0:45:56.839

lines into it came in that one came in I

 

0:45:54.540,0:46:00.180

believe to Mrs McConnell yeah yeah

 

0:45:56.839,0:46:01.980

that's how I'm calling it yeah you know

 

0:46:00.180,0:46:03.960

and it was uh I believe it was right

 

0:46:01.980,0:46:06.300

around Christmas it was cold snowy

 

0:46:03.960,0:46:10.260

wintery you know Montana weather yeah

 

0:46:06.300,0:46:11.640

and uh you know when those those coyotes

 

0:46:10.260,0:46:15.240

you know when you and that's another

 

0:46:11.640,0:46:17.819

thing about locating is you know kind of

 

0:46:15.240,0:46:19.920

if they're real close to you you know I

 

0:46:17.819,0:46:21.180

kind of like to go in and set up and if

 

0:46:19.920,0:46:24.119

they're real close I don't want to

 

0:46:21.180,0:46:26.160

lambast them with you know big loud

 

0:46:24.119,0:46:27.420

something that might spook them right

 

0:46:26.160,0:46:29.040

off the bat if they're close I'm gonna

 

0:46:27.420,0:46:30.780

hit him with something easy and soft and

 

0:46:29.040,0:46:32.579

see if I can't just coax them up you

 

0:46:30.780,0:46:34.440

know right and I think that and those

 

0:46:32.579,0:46:36.480

coyotes that we heard right there were

 

0:46:34.440,0:46:38.339

pretty close and so I just turned on

 

0:46:36.480,0:46:40.619

that missing my Cottontail and I you

 

0:46:38.339,0:46:41.880

know I wasn't playing it too loud and it

 

0:46:40.619,0:46:43.440

didn't take very long that line it

 

0:46:41.880,0:46:45.420

wasn't in a hurry to come in it took a

 

0:46:43.440,0:46:47.280

little while for it to right to walk

 

0:46:45.420,0:46:50.400

across that field but you know I could

 

0:46:47.280,0:46:51.839

see it right off the bat and uh yep and

 

0:46:50.400,0:46:53.400

some Cottontail called that big old line

 

0:46:51.839,0:46:54.720

we walked over and looked at its tracks

 

0:46:53.400,0:46:56.940

in the snow and

 

0:46:54.720,0:46:59.220

and uh it was a pretty good Lions so

 

0:46:56.940,0:47:01.500

pretty cool pretty cool camera for sure

 

0:46:59.220,0:47:03.319

for sure oh yeah you never know what you

 

0:47:01.500,0:47:06.660

can call in you know we've called in

 

0:47:03.319,0:47:10.520

Badgers and all kind you know you call

 

0:47:06.660,0:47:13.800

in all kinds of birds and crafters and

 

0:47:10.520,0:47:16.920

foxes and I mean in this country up in

 

0:47:13.800,0:47:19.440

Wyoming Idaho Montana you know but

 

0:47:16.920,0:47:21.660

eventually everybody calls in a wolf at

 

0:47:19.440,0:47:23.280

some point and right it's it's pretty

 

0:47:21.660,0:47:25.560

exciting you know

 

0:47:23.280,0:47:27.060

we're starting to starting to wind down

 

0:47:25.560,0:47:28.500

here we've been on here quite a quite a

 

0:47:27.060,0:47:30.000

while let me I got a few questions I

 

0:47:28.500,0:47:31.740

want to ask you or just some quick quick

 

0:47:30.000,0:47:33.560

hit stuff what what's your favorite unit

 

0:47:31.740,0:47:35.700

what units you running now

 

0:47:33.560,0:47:40.079

uh for the last couple years I've been

 

0:47:35.700,0:47:42.780

running the x2s x2s I really like it

 

0:47:40.079,0:47:45.180

it's yeah it's been a super good call I

 

0:47:42.780,0:47:48.900

still find myself once in a while uh

 

0:47:45.180,0:47:50.460

taking out the LCS 24 just for old-time

 

0:47:48.900,0:47:52.980

sakes

 

0:47:50.460,0:47:55.859

one of the greats in my opinion probably

 

0:47:52.980,0:48:00.960

the my favorite design of any call but

 

0:47:55.859,0:48:03.420

yeah the x2s yeah x2s uh you take it uh

 

0:48:00.960,0:48:07.099

you take advantage of fox fusion and

 

0:48:03.420,0:48:07.099

stuff on x2s do you do that yeah

 

0:48:07.680,0:48:11.819

yeah especially in the summer y'all I

 

0:48:09.780,0:48:14.099

was listening to you and uh

 

0:48:11.819,0:48:16.079

Tori Cook's podcast the other day what a

 

0:48:14.099,0:48:17.700

great oh man wealth of knowledge that

 

0:48:16.079,0:48:19.920

guy is holy cow you want to talk about

 

0:48:17.700,0:48:21.300

coyote vocals and locating and that I

 

0:48:19.920,0:48:23.819

feel like a complete rookie after

 

0:48:21.300,0:48:25.380

listening to him but you know he he

 

0:48:23.819,0:48:28.260

knows what's going on there but you know

 

0:48:25.380,0:48:29.579

you all these new coyote vocals and pup

 

0:48:28.260,0:48:32.339

sounds and stuff that you come out with

 

0:48:29.579,0:48:34.980

now you get that uh that fox fusion and

 

0:48:32.339,0:48:37.500

you know I can string together and Lace

 

0:48:34.980,0:48:41.339

together you know a uh female challenge

 

0:48:37.500,0:48:45.180

bark with a pup distress and some uh you

 

0:48:41.339,0:48:48.060

know some uh some of those crazy Den

 

0:48:45.180,0:48:49.859

fight sounds that he that uh Tori is

 

0:48:48.060,0:48:52.619

recording nowadays and man you can put

 

0:48:49.859,0:48:54.900

together quite a scenario that even a

 

0:48:52.619,0:48:56.640

Leary coyote is eventually gonna have to

 

0:48:54.900,0:48:59.940

come take a look at it that's it right

 

0:48:56.640,0:49:02.460

there I think Fox Fusion is is often uh

 

0:48:59.940,0:49:04.680

an overlooked feature I actually saw

 

0:49:02.460,0:49:07.500

somebody on Facebook the other day they

 

0:49:04.680,0:49:09.300

was comparing the x24 and x2s and a guy

 

0:49:07.500,0:49:11.040

which both are excellent units you

 

0:49:09.300,0:49:14.760

cannot go wrong with either one of them

 

0:49:11.040,0:49:16.619

uh but I saw a guy say you know that x2s

 

0:49:14.760,0:49:18.240

has Fox Fusion where you play two sounds

 

0:49:16.619,0:49:20.220

at once but he said that's not needed

 

0:49:18.240,0:49:22.680

you nobody ever needs to play two sounds

 

0:49:20.220,0:49:23.940

at once and I said I never did respond

 

0:49:22.680,0:49:26.579

but I sit there thinking man you're

 

0:49:23.940,0:49:29.819

missing out I mean I know the guy is a

 

0:49:26.579,0:49:31.859

good coyote Hunter and and but Fox

 

0:49:29.819,0:49:33.420

Fusion definitely has its place you know

 

0:49:31.859,0:49:35.760

I've mixed two sounds together before

 

0:49:33.420,0:49:38.220

and and you can break these hung up

 

0:49:35.760,0:49:39.660

coyotes uh with with some crazy stuff

 

0:49:38.220,0:49:41.220

you know like one of the things you used

 

0:49:39.660,0:49:43.260

to do all the time was play raccoon

 

0:49:41.220,0:49:45.119

fight and pup screams that to say same

 

0:49:43.260,0:49:47.700

time I don't know

 

0:49:45.119,0:49:49.260

if coyotes think it's a raccoon and a

 

0:49:47.700,0:49:50.700

coyote fighting or if they think it

 

0:49:49.260,0:49:52.319

sounds you know to me it sounds like

 

0:49:50.700,0:49:53.520

another coyote fight I don't know if

 

0:49:52.319,0:49:55.380

they think it sounds like coyotes

 

0:49:53.520,0:49:57.180

fighting or what but that just like you

 

0:49:55.380,0:49:58.440

said you can mix two sounds together and

 

0:49:57.180,0:50:00.359

you're throwing something out there that

 

0:49:58.440,0:50:02.880

more than likely coyotes have not heard

 

0:50:00.359,0:50:05.700

and it's a good thing to use in pressure

 

0:50:02.880,0:50:09.540

country in my opinion yeah absolutely

 

0:50:05.700,0:50:11.040

man yeah I I love to play like a female

 

0:50:09.540,0:50:14.640

challenge

 

0:50:11.040,0:50:17.160

and you know any of the pups at the same

 

0:50:14.640,0:50:20.940

time and I mean I have had some

 

0:50:17.160,0:50:23.460

incredibly violent responses when and

 

0:50:20.940,0:50:24.900

and you know in the summer sometimes

 

0:50:23.460,0:50:26.460

you know they'll sit up there they'll

 

0:50:24.900,0:50:27.780

bark at you they'll howl at you they

 

0:50:26.460,0:50:29.339

don't like you in their territory and

 

0:50:27.780,0:50:30.960

you just keep you know Tori mentioned

 

0:50:29.339,0:50:33.900

the other day about switching up sounds

 

0:50:30.960,0:50:36.660

yep until you get a response you do that

 

0:50:33.900,0:50:38.119

with you mix in some you know some

 

0:50:36.660,0:50:40.859

aggressive female

 

0:50:38.119,0:50:42.300

sounds that Mama coyote barking at

 

0:50:40.859,0:50:44.040

whatever's down there harassing their

 

0:50:42.300,0:50:45.300

pups and you get all those different pup

 

0:50:44.040,0:50:47.460

sounds going

 

0:50:45.300,0:50:50.460

and it might take a while but you can

 

0:50:47.460,0:50:53.040

break loose a stubborn coyote so I've

 

0:50:50.460,0:50:55.200

sat there and done that for you know 30

 

0:50:53.040,0:50:58.619

40 minutes and then next thing you know

 

0:50:55.200,0:51:01.380

across the flat here comes a coyote as

 

0:50:58.619,0:51:02.700

tight as they can go and you know you

 

0:51:01.380,0:51:04.859

want to talk about get your old blood

 

0:51:02.700,0:51:05.640

boiling and get your your heart pumping

 

0:51:04.859,0:51:08.280

man

 

0:51:05.640,0:51:10.680

and so yeah I think that that uh Fox

 

0:51:08.280,0:51:12.839

Fusion if you haven't tried it

 

0:51:10.680,0:51:14.819

it's not hard to operate put it into

 

0:51:12.839,0:51:17.280

play put it in the put it put it in

 

0:51:14.819,0:51:19.740

there and and try it out you know John

 

0:51:17.280,0:51:21.359

was talking about a couple sounds he

 

0:51:19.740,0:51:23.940

likes to mix there I told you about the

 

0:51:21.359,0:51:26.700

[ __ ] raccoon fight and pup screen I'm

 

0:51:23.940,0:51:28.140

gonna tell you one more is female

 

0:51:26.700,0:51:31.440

submissive

 

0:51:28.140,0:51:34.140

foxpro's female submissive and mix in

 

0:51:31.440,0:51:36.359

pup distress number three and fluctuate

 

0:51:34.140,0:51:39.180

that pup three up and down it almost

 

0:51:36.359,0:51:41.280

sounds like a social it sounds like two

 

0:51:39.180,0:51:42.300

coyotes come together and they was

 

0:51:41.280,0:51:43.680

chipping away at each other a little bit

 

0:51:42.300,0:51:46.980

and also it kind of turned into a fight

 

0:51:43.680,0:51:49.380

try that somewhere on a late stand try

 

0:51:46.980,0:51:51.599

to break something it works well you

 

0:51:49.380,0:51:54.500

just you just give away my my two

 

0:51:51.599,0:51:57.720

favorite sounds of all time so I

 

0:51:54.500,0:52:00.420

all year long all year long it doesn't

 

0:51:57.720,0:52:03.599

matter where I'm at I I always

 

0:52:00.420,0:52:06.480

I bet 90 of the time start to stand with

 

0:52:03.599,0:52:07.920

female submissives because it's kind of

 

0:52:06.480,0:52:10.559

a you know it's a sound that coyotes

 

0:52:07.920,0:52:12.059

will make when they get together uh you

 

0:52:10.559,0:52:13.859

know just hanging around the dance you

 

0:52:12.059,0:52:15.660

know whatever I've heard them make it on

 

0:52:13.859,0:52:18.300

the on the mountain before

 

0:52:15.660,0:52:19.920

not a lot but a couple times and and I

 

0:52:18.300,0:52:22.020

think it's a real common sound it's not

 

0:52:19.920,0:52:24.900

threatening really it's kind of a

 

0:52:22.020,0:52:27.300

playback yeah just kind of a social and

 

0:52:24.900,0:52:28.020

it gets their attention without spooking

 

0:52:27.300,0:52:32.579

them

 

0:52:28.020,0:52:34.859

and uh you know it's I've had coyotes

 

0:52:32.579,0:52:37.020

show up on the dead run after you know

 

0:52:34.859,0:52:39.540

playing that for 30 seconds but that is

 

0:52:37.020,0:52:41.940

that is a sound everybody should be

 

0:52:39.540,0:52:43.380

utilizing that's another one I'm tidbits

 

0:52:41.940,0:52:44.940

information people come to these

 

0:52:43.380,0:52:47.579

podcasts to your head right there it is

 

0:52:44.940,0:52:49.440

and you don't hear that sound being

 

0:52:47.579,0:52:51.480

talked about a lot but that is being

 

0:52:49.440,0:52:53.220

such a good sound over the years and and

 

0:52:51.480,0:52:55.500

usually how I play it this is another

 

0:52:53.220,0:52:57.660

little secret thing is I'll let that

 

0:52:55.500,0:52:59.400

first part of that sequence go through

 

0:52:57.660,0:53:01.920

you know it dies off and then it starts

 

0:52:59.400,0:53:04.020

up into a whole new set of Yips and all

 

0:53:01.920,0:53:05.520

that type of stuff on that second set of

 

0:53:04.020,0:53:07.579

Yips and stuff starts up that's when I

 

0:53:05.520,0:53:10.260

mix in that pup three

 

0:53:07.579,0:53:13.020

well and and uh

 

0:53:10.260,0:53:15.300

yeah you what else can you say about pup

 

0:53:13.020,0:53:17.400

three you know it's lit it's legendary

 

0:53:15.300,0:53:19.800

it is and since we're on that what

 

0:53:17.400,0:53:21.300

what's your top three favorite sounds I

 

0:53:19.800,0:53:23.700

ask a lot of a lot of these guys this

 

0:53:21.300,0:53:25.920

and and I think it uh I think it really

 

0:53:23.700,0:53:28.559

helped a lot of hunters out uh to see

 

0:53:25.920,0:53:30.660

see these choices that uh some of these

 

0:53:28.559,0:53:32.880

what I consider you know great Predator

 

0:53:30.660,0:53:37.740

Hunters though out there

 

0:53:32.880,0:53:40.740

I would say my my top three sounds

 

0:53:37.740,0:53:45.359

well for years except year round hun for

 

0:53:40.740,0:53:47.180

year round I'm saying pup three

 

0:53:45.359,0:53:49.980

is number one

 

0:53:47.180,0:53:52.200

I'm saying probably

 

0:53:49.980,0:53:54.480

for year round if I was going to go out

 

0:53:52.200,0:53:56.579

and I would probably want Mrs MC

 

0:53:54.480,0:53:58.800

Cottontail on my call another great one

 

0:53:56.579,0:54:01.740

which is a newer sound but awesome Yep

 

0:53:58.800,0:54:04.680

newer sound and uh

 

0:54:01.740,0:54:07.619

you know a sound that I

 

0:54:04.680,0:54:11.940

play a ton all year long and that I love

 

0:54:07.619,0:54:13.559

is the old school canine pup tattoos oh

 

0:54:11.940,0:54:16.319

man yeah that's another one of them

 

0:54:13.559,0:54:18.180

Secrets there really that's a great you

 

0:54:16.319,0:54:19.800

know it's just yeah I mean then Puffs

 

0:54:18.180,0:54:21.420

can't when I don't know who recorded

 

0:54:19.800,0:54:24.440

that or where it came from but then pups

 

0:54:21.420,0:54:28.380

can't be more than a day old and I mean

 

0:54:24.440,0:54:30.000

it's just a just a sound that uh you

 

0:54:28.380,0:54:31.559

know in the summer it obviously pup

 

0:54:30.000,0:54:33.240

sounds work great and even in the winter

 

0:54:31.559,0:54:34.680

in that they got to think what in the

 

0:54:33.240,0:54:37.140

world there's there's a bunch of

 

0:54:34.680,0:54:38.520

something in a hole there that uh

 

0:54:37.140,0:54:40.440

I don't know if they're curious or

 

0:54:38.520,0:54:42.059

they're gonna eat it or what but I've

 

0:54:40.440,0:54:45.420

had real good luck with that sound oh

 

0:54:42.059,0:54:48.359

yeah you're taking a a pup distress a

 

0:54:45.420,0:54:50.099

rabbit sound and then a tiny pup so even

 

0:54:48.359,0:54:51.900

though it's kind of canine puppies it's

 

0:54:50.099,0:54:55.200

still it's puppies

 

0:54:51.900,0:54:56.540

yep yep that's uh that's one of that's

 

0:54:55.200,0:54:59.940

JF

 

0:54:56.540,0:55:02.119

saying this on on the Airways but the

 

0:54:59.940,0:55:05.520

legendary Jeff Ryder that's one of his

 

0:55:02.119,0:55:06.740

go-to sounds is canine you know I'm

 

0:55:05.520,0:55:10.260

gonna I'm gonna

 

0:55:06.740,0:55:12.240

Jeff Jeff's Jeff's an incredible cow

 

0:55:10.260,0:55:14.280

hunter and uh

 

0:55:12.240,0:55:16.440

you know there's a couple sounds like

 

0:55:14.280,0:55:18.059

that that several years ago you know

 

0:55:16.440,0:55:20.160

Jeff told me he says you really need to

 

0:55:18.059,0:55:22.800

you really need to try these sounds and

 

0:55:20.160,0:55:25.619

you know I I've

 

0:55:22.800,0:55:27.059

it's it's become one of my favorites so

 

0:55:25.619,0:55:29.400

yeah

 

0:55:27.059,0:55:31.020

it's hard to be what's uh let's ask you

 

0:55:29.400,0:55:33.059

what's your number one Sam if you can

 

0:55:31.020,0:55:35.280

only if you know my college that you say

 

0:55:33.059,0:55:36.599

yeah I want you to hunt this year but

 

0:55:35.280,0:55:37.859

you're gonna have one sound and we'll

 

0:55:36.599,0:55:40.040

see what you can get done what sound

 

0:55:37.859,0:55:43.619

you're picking

 

0:55:40.040,0:55:45.260

uh that would have to be pup three

 

0:55:43.619,0:55:47.280

great choice

 

0:55:45.260,0:55:50.099

you know and it's

 

0:55:47.280,0:55:52.700

don't ask me why it works in December

 

0:55:50.099,0:55:52.700

and January

 

0:55:52.940,0:56:01.020

it does and and uh you know I just I

 

0:55:57.720,0:56:03.720

love it it's and I think sometimes we

 

0:56:01.020,0:56:05.280

get in a rut sticking to the same sounds

 

0:56:03.720,0:56:06.839

I have guys call me all the time you

 

0:56:05.280,0:56:09.480

know hey I've been running this sound

 

0:56:06.839,0:56:10.920

and so I'll tell them I'll try this you

 

0:56:09.480,0:56:12.300

know and so they'll go try it and they

 

0:56:10.920,0:56:13.500

say well it didn't work well then what'd

 

0:56:12.300,0:56:15.780

you do well I went back to the other

 

0:56:13.500,0:56:17.579

sounds so you went for you take you

 

0:56:15.780,0:56:19.260

tried a new sound on two stands it

 

0:56:17.579,0:56:21.180

doesn't work so you go back to what you

 

0:56:19.260,0:56:23.760

know wasn't gonna work

 

0:56:21.180,0:56:25.920

you know you gotta right you gotta you

 

0:56:23.760,0:56:29.220

gotta be able to force yourself

 

0:56:25.920,0:56:31.559

sometimes to give those give those new

 

0:56:29.220,0:56:35.040

sounds and new sequences and

 

0:56:31.559,0:56:37.500

a chance to work and uh but if I had to

 

0:56:35.040,0:56:39.960

pick one sound it would be pup three

 

0:56:37.500,0:56:42.240

it's just proven itself for so long and

 

0:56:39.960,0:56:43.859

it's still uh continues to produce this

 

0:56:42.240,0:56:46.619

day I think it's a great great option

 

0:56:43.859,0:56:48.119

it'd be I I asked this question a lot to

 

0:56:46.619,0:56:50.160

these guys you know when we interview

 

0:56:48.119,0:56:52.260

about here and I'm always thinking man

 

0:56:50.160,0:56:54.900

it's a that's a tough question how do

 

0:56:52.260,0:56:57.059

you know what I would be it is it is and

 

0:56:54.900,0:56:59.099

uh you know that's the that's the

 

0:56:57.059,0:57:00.780

benefit of the technology we have and

 

0:56:59.099,0:57:03.359

what foxborough's been able to do is

 

0:57:00.780,0:57:06.000

there's so many good sounds and so many

 

0:57:03.359,0:57:07.980

good options yeah that uh you know

 

0:57:06.000,0:57:10.020

there's probably

 

0:57:07.980,0:57:11.880

I mean in reality you could probably go

 

0:57:10.020,0:57:14.460

through and there could be 20 sounds

 

0:57:11.880,0:57:16.500

that you hunt with just one just pick

 

0:57:14.460,0:57:18.540

one of 20 all year long and you know and

 

0:57:16.500,0:57:20.460

you're gonna have good good it tells a

 

0:57:18.540,0:57:21.960

lot about the style of coyote Hunter it

 

0:57:20.460,0:57:24.119

is especially when you ask the top three

 

0:57:21.960,0:57:25.980

favorite sounds I always I think that's

 

0:57:24.119,0:57:28.200

the most interesting one because it I

 

0:57:25.980,0:57:31.020

can it automatically kind of

 

0:57:28.200,0:57:33.240

tells me in my mind what kind of what

 

0:57:31.020,0:57:35.099

style coyote Hunter you are if that

 

0:57:33.240,0:57:38.040

makes sense to you but uh I got another

 

0:57:35.099,0:57:39.240

question for you here you know like I

 

0:57:38.040,0:57:40.619

said we'll talk about earlier you come

 

0:57:39.240,0:57:42.180

from a long line of coyote Hunters

 

0:57:40.619,0:57:43.980

you've done it your entire life you've

 

0:57:42.180,0:57:46.740

hunted with some of the greatest who's

 

0:57:43.980,0:57:49.920

ever done it and you've seen a lot of

 

0:57:46.740,0:57:53.339

coyotes get piled up what's your

 

0:57:49.920,0:57:56.300

favorite coyote caliber my favorite

 

0:57:53.339,0:57:59.940

coyote caliber oh

 

0:57:56.300,0:58:02.700

see uh well

 

0:57:59.940,0:58:06.440

I would have to say my number one

 

0:58:02.700,0:58:06.440

favorite coyote caliber

 

0:58:07.260,0:58:15.540

I'm gonna go with the 22 250. I love it

 

0:58:10.380,0:58:17.220

love it and I I hunt with and I shoot

 

0:58:15.540,0:58:18.960

coyotes with a bunch of different guns

 

0:58:17.220,0:58:20.940

all year because I love guns and I don't

 

0:58:18.960,0:58:22.260

want any of them to feel neglected you

 

0:58:20.940,0:58:24.359

know I feel like I have a personal

 

0:58:22.260,0:58:27.119

relationship with all these guns yes

 

0:58:24.359,0:58:32.280

yeah I shoot coyotes every year with a

 

0:58:27.119,0:58:36.000

222 223 I have a 243 that a night hunt

 

0:58:32.280,0:58:37.380

with that I love I'm my you know I've

 

0:58:36.000,0:58:40.200

shot a bunch of coyotes the last couple

 

0:58:37.380,0:58:42.480

years with a 22 Creedmoor that I love

 

0:58:40.200,0:58:45.900

I've shot a bus yeah I've shot a few of

 

0:58:42.480,0:58:48.240

the 22 Creed I love that yeah but if you

 

0:58:45.900,0:58:50.280

was gonna tell me okay one coyote gun

 

0:58:48.240,0:58:53.339

for the rest of your life

 

0:58:50.280,0:58:55.799

it would definitely be the 22 250. I

 

0:58:53.339,0:58:58.020

love they're flat they're fast they're

 

0:58:55.799,0:59:00.599

not picky to reload for I've had you

 

0:58:58.020,0:59:02.400

know they're they're easy to they're

 

0:59:00.599,0:59:03.660

calm and you can find bullets for them

 

0:59:02.400,0:59:06.000

and uh

 

0:59:03.660,0:59:07.619

and you know they're user friendly I can

 

0:59:06.000,0:59:09.839

you know you can take your wife or

 

0:59:07.619,0:59:10.980

girlfriend or your kids out and they can

 

0:59:09.839,0:59:13.200

uh

 

0:59:10.980,0:59:16.079

you know like perfectly hunt anything

 

0:59:13.200,0:59:18.240

with it for predator yep so I'm I'm

 

0:59:16.079,0:59:20.040

going 22 250.

 

0:59:18.240,0:59:21.960

all right we're fixing to wrap it up

 

0:59:20.040,0:59:24.480

here and I've got one more question for

 

0:59:21.960,0:59:28.319

you that I think will be be good to

 

0:59:24.480,0:59:30.660

close this on and uh I've listened to uh

 

0:59:28.319,0:59:32.880

to an interview that you're a part of

 

0:59:30.660,0:59:34.140

just a couple days ago because I knew it

 

0:59:32.880,0:59:36.960

was coming up and I just wanted to get

 

0:59:34.140,0:59:41.160

some ideas of stuff to ask you there was

 

0:59:36.960,0:59:44.160

a quote from you it said hunting wasn't

 

0:59:41.160,0:59:48.059

just something you did for fun but it

 

0:59:44.160,0:59:49.920

was a very important part of your life

 

0:59:48.059,0:59:53.099

tell us what

 

0:59:49.920,0:59:54.480

hunting means to John bear to close this

 

0:59:53.099,0:59:58.140

out

 

0:59:54.480,0:59:59.240

oh man that's a tough one ain't it it's

 

0:59:58.140,1:00:02.400

going well

 

0:59:59.240,1:00:04.799

something like that yeah no it's it's uh

 

1:00:02.400,1:00:06.180

that's a good question that's a good

 

1:00:04.799,1:00:09.740

question

 

1:00:06.180,1:00:09.740

okay I you know

 

1:00:10.799,1:00:15.480

I know I'm not alone in saying this but

 

1:00:13.319,1:00:17.819

I think about hunting pretty much all

 

1:00:15.480,1:00:21.599

day every day no matter which job I'm

 

1:00:17.819,1:00:24.059

working no matter where I'm at all my uh

 

1:00:21.599,1:00:27.059

greatest relationships

 

1:00:24.059,1:00:29.339

and my greatest friendships

 

1:00:27.059,1:00:32.339

in life come

 

1:00:29.339,1:00:35.520

through some connection to hunting

 

1:00:32.339,1:00:37.640

uh a lot of the greatest memories I have

 

1:00:35.520,1:00:42.420

with my dad

 

1:00:37.640,1:00:44.160

uh my grandpa my great grandpa my kids

 

1:00:42.420,1:00:47.579

my buddies

 

1:00:44.160,1:00:52.140

are all tied to hunting

 

1:00:47.579,1:00:54.540

and so you know it's uh

 

1:00:52.140,1:00:57.599

I I think hunting is pretty much the

 

1:00:54.540,1:01:00.180

Common Thread that ties you know all the

 

1:00:57.599,1:01:02.520

best parts of my life together is how it

 

1:01:00.180,1:01:05.099

is how I put it you know my

 

1:01:02.520,1:01:06.240

some of my best best friends I've ever

 

1:01:05.099,1:01:07.740

had

 

1:01:06.240,1:01:09.839

you know I've met

 

1:01:07.740,1:01:11.460

I've met hunting whether it was at

 

1:01:09.839,1:01:12.780

archery league whether it was a coyote

 

1:01:11.460,1:01:15.540

contest

 

1:01:12.780,1:01:18.480

uh whether it was the conservation event

 

1:01:15.540,1:01:21.720

where we were raising money for hunting

 

1:01:18.480,1:01:24.240

you know it's the Common Thread through

 

1:01:21.720,1:01:26.460

all the best parts of my life

 

1:01:24.240,1:01:29.819

my with my kids my family and everything

 

1:01:26.460,1:01:31.980

else is hunting so I don't know if that

 

1:01:29.819,1:01:34.260

answers your question or not that's good

 

1:01:31.980,1:01:36.119

stuff like I said hunting has brought

 

1:01:34.260,1:01:39.059

many people together

 

1:01:36.119,1:01:41.880

and uh man just like I said it's just

 

1:01:39.059,1:01:43.799

it's it's part of you and uh I think

 

1:01:41.880,1:01:45.000

it's a it's a perfect answer it's good

 

1:01:43.799,1:01:45.780

stuff I appreciate you being on here

 

1:01:45.000,1:01:48.119

John

 

1:01:45.780,1:01:49.740

well I really appreciate uh appreciate

 

1:01:48.119,1:01:51.660

you having me it's good to talk to the

 

1:01:49.740,1:01:53.819

Legend John Collins and let's do it

 

1:01:51.660,1:01:55.200

again sometime oh we'll definitely do it

 

1:01:53.819,1:01:56.460

again thank you for being on here and

 

1:01:55.200,1:01:58.799

sharing your knowledge telling some

 

1:01:56.460,1:02:00.299

stories and uh we hope everyone enjoyed

 

1:01:58.799,1:02:03.740

this episode we hope you join us again

 

1:02:00.299,1:02:03.740

right here on the Foxpro podcast