Jon Collins and John Bair discuss family traditions of coyote hunting in the West.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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how's it going everyone welcome back to
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the Foxpro podcast on this episode
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you've got myself John Collins and
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Foxpro field staffer John bear how you
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been doing lately John
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oh I'm doing good man doing good how
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about yourself I've been doing doing
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pretty good I definitely can't complain
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uh you've been killing any coyotes
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lately
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yeah we've been uh we've been getting
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out uh quite a bit as of late the last
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month has been pretty good and you know
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it's it's hot it's summer here and uh I
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know you know you know back where you're
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at you know all about the heat right so
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it's uh you know we have changed things
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up a little bit but I really enjoy
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hunting in the summer and I that's when
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I have a little more time to get out
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right and uh so yeah we've been having a
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been having a pretty good summer season
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and uh you know the coyotes have been
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calling pretty good
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it's been a lot of fun you talking about
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the heat uh I think I saw on the news
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like up there in the Utah area and stuff
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uh kind of like I don't know if it's
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record temps but like triple digit temps
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right now is that what you've been
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seeing oh yeah it was yeah it was like
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101 here yesterday and 103 the day
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before and so yeah between uh about you
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know one in the afternoon and and five
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in the evening you're uh you're looking
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for shade right right you're looking for
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shade
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does that keep you out of the sagebrush
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chasing coyotes or you still get after
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them even when you see yeah well I you
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know we've called coyotes you know when
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it's pretty hot I think you gotta adjust
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your tactics a little bit I think you
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definitely have to get closer to them
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but and then you know this time of year
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we uh
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we help with the dogs quite a bit and uh
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of course you don't have to have dogs to
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hunt them in the summer but you know
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usually first thing in the morning for a
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few uh you know maybe two or three hours
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first thing in the morning before it
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heats up and then there's usually
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maybe an hour and a half right before
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dark that seems to be pretty good yeah I
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tell you what seems like with some
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summertime calling that's actually been
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one of some of my most Dynamite stands
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have happened you know with but triple
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digits and
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maybe I know up in your house country
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it's kind of more of a dry heat but here
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in my area we've got the humidity as
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well and it seems like you know the
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coyotes are already mad because it's hot
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you know they got ticks crawling all
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over them and mosquitoes buzzing in
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their ears and they've got you know
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these little these pups chewing on them
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and wanting to play and they're
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aggravated and it seems like you get
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close enough to them rip out a big old
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howl right in their bedroom man they
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sure they sure come to life pretty quick
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there are like I said they're already
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mad and you rip out a hat on their
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bedroom they really get pissed off in I
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really had some Dynamite stands in those
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situations
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you know I've I've had uh I've had a lot
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of fun
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hunting in the in the summer and the
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heat when uh you know like you say
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they're just they're real territorial it
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seems like
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you know me and I'll talk about uh
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fairly often about in the spring when
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they start having pups it kind of resets
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they're crazy yeah and you know even the
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even the old educated coyotes that you
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know have heard every sound that's ever
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been recorded
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you know they just kind of throw all
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their caution to the wind and when you
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get in there and invade their country
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and you know start talking a little
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coyote to him you anything can happen I
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mean anything can happen I've I've shot
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coyotes so close in the summer that I
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could reach out and touch him with my
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gun when they drop dead you know they're
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so worried about what that sound is
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right there in there
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in their dining ground and stuff it's
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it's a lot of fun if anybody uh you know
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you got the Summertime Blues you want to
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get out and you're thinking you got to
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wait for cold weather I'd I'd encourage
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him you know get you Foxpro get out in
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the summer and uh get your safety off
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because it can get wild in a hurry no
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doubt that that's what we live for and
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man we just can't get enough of it and
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you're right I mean it it extends uh how
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much time that you can you can be out
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there in the field and enjoy hunting you
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know if you're a deer hunter you get
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your Deer tags field you know Season
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sending or whatever
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yeah grab you a fox bro go call some
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coyotes because in most States you know
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which it's year round but uh yeah I
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don't want to let's talk about you a
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little bit before we get dive deep into
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this podcast you know besides for being
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a coyote Hunter and part of the Foxpro
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crew you're an electrician
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uh an auctioneer boy voice actor and yes
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conservationist John what did I leave
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out you want to tell us a bit more about
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yourself oh geez you know I it you know
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I think you just spelled out what I've
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known for a while I got too many irons
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in the fire it seems like a lot of times
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but yeah you know I uh I grew up on a on
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a sheep Ranch down in Central Utah and
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uh my dad worked on a big old sheep
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Ranch and my
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uh my family uh has been in the ranch in
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business for you know three or four
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generations
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and uh
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I moved up to the big city up here in
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Utah County I'm about 45 minutes south
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of Salt Lake
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and uh I'm an electrician nine to five I
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do a lot of auctioneering get to travel
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around the country you know and most of
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those events like state of conservation
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events I get to raise a lot of money for
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wildlife conservation and uh you know
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it's a lot of fun I've met a lot of
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people and uh of you know even managed
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to finagle my way onto some good access
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to some good coyote hunting property
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through the connections I've made
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through
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uh you know conservation organization
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that's always a plus oh yeah you know
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I'm always I'm always asking guys you
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know let's say yeah
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I want to Ranch here in the ranch there
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and you know usually next thing I do is
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hand them a business card and tell them
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well if you have coyotes you know we
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need to talk so exactly right and you
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know you kind of talked about you know
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you was raised up uh uh cheap ranching
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and that type of stuff uh let's talk
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about so I know you've gotta you've
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always been around coyotes you know so
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let's talk about the tradition of coyote
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hunting you know um I grew up in in a
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cattle farming family and that's what
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gave me my first initial push into the
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sport uh I I started hunting coyotes
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back in the 90s and and it really wasn't
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until then that we had a decent
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population of coyotes that we could even
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really hunt here in Kentucky you know I
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was actually told that Kentucky actually
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didn't even have coyotes until the late
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70s
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so wow yeah so I'm I'm actually the
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first coyote hunter in my family you
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know I I was a self-taught coyote Hunter
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um now for you guys you all always had
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coyotes in your part of the world what
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was it like growing up in a family that
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has a tradition in coyote hunting in
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what age did you start coyote hunting
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yourself well uh
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so I grew up
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just down the street from my great
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grandpa and he was always in the
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always in the ranch in business and uh
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in the farming business and as well as
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far back as I can remember on Sunday
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afternoons uh
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grandpa had come down to our house for
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Sunday dinner
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and we'd have Sunday dinner and then
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we'd go you know sit around in the on
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the back porch or
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in the living room and I remember him
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and my dad
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it seemed like the conversation would
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always turn
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to hunting coyotes
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uh they talked a lot about bear hunting
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they talked a lot about hunting dogs and
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my great grandpa when my uh
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when my grandpa was just a
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a kid he had a dog
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that uh was half Russian wolfhound and I
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don't know what the other half was but
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they I mean this dog was legendary and
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it had run down coyotes and kill him
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when they got in the sheep and I
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remember just listening to my great
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grandpa tell stories about that dog and
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tell stories about how he would go out
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and lay in the ditch
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in the dark so that first thing in the
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morning when those coyotes sneak into
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the pasture and try to get the Lambs you
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know he'd be there and uh remember him
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telling me he had an old uh you know an
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old long barrel 30 40 Craig rifle
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and uh you know this last time you heard
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somebody shooting a 34. I've read about
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it yeah you know and he would uh and he
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said he'd uh you know he'd he'd try to
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set up where these coyotes you know
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would come because they'd come off the
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hill and down into the pastures and
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steal the chickens and steal you know
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kill Lambs and he'd uh you know try to
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try to set up where you could get him
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and I mean they just talked about that
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and I was just always fascinated with
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you know the the predator hunting
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discussions and the Predator stories and
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the coyote stories that my dad and my
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great grandpa seemed like about every
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Sunday and if they were talking about
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something else
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uh you know it was Sunday a lot of times
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they'd talk about church and they'd talk
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family stuff and things like that and if
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the discussion went about anywhere other
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than than hunting you know I'd try to
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ask a question or bring something up and
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steer the discussion back to something a
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little more entertaining which to me was
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to keep it yeah which to me was you know
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and so you know I
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hunting Predators hunting coyotes
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specifically
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you know ever since I was a little kid
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it's just been a huge part of
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my family and uh you know it's kind of
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tradition it's Heritage however you want
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to describe it and you know growing up
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in a ranching family
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uh
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you know Predators man they were they
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were Public Enemy Number One
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right up there with uh
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politicians and uh
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and some of the government land agencies
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that Grandpa didn't like too good but we
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man I just I can remember from the time
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I was just a little bitty kid sitting
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around talking about coyote hunting with
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my great grandpa and my grandpa and my
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my dad
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when uh my dad moved to Colorado
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actually he was born in Colorado my
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family went from my great great grandpa
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moved from Utah to Colorado and then
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they were out there for a couple
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generations and then my my dad moved
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back to Utah where we are now but when
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my dad was in Colorado he uh when him
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and my mom first got married they worked
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on a big sheep Ranch out there for
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for a guy and one of uh one of the
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Trappers out there gave my dad an old
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wood Cersei hand call
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and told him he says you go out and you
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know you go set up down there by the
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buy them Sage Flats where them coyotes
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are coming out and you know you make
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this sound and here here comes the
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coyotes and just be ready and my dad's
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like you know he was pretty young at the
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time right he's like you know what kind
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of Witchcraft is this can't possibly
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work and he said the first time he ever
0:11:33.060,0:11:37.260
tried it a big old coyote ran up behind
0:11:35.519,0:11:38.640
him and barked at him and about scared
0:11:37.260,0:11:40.079
him to death and
0:11:38.640,0:11:43.079
from
0:11:40.079,0:11:44.640
that day on he said you know call he
0:11:43.079,0:11:46.019
said there's there hasn't been a day go
0:11:44.640,0:11:49.620
by where I haven't thought about killing
0:11:46.019,0:11:53.579
killing coyotes right and so my dad's
0:11:49.620,0:11:55.260
always been really into it and which you
0:11:53.579,0:11:56.700
know kind of passed that on to your kids
0:11:55.260,0:11:59.040
and believe it or not with all the
0:11:56.700,0:12:02.339
technology he's got several foxtrot
0:11:59.040,0:12:04.260
calls yeah and uh and knows how to use
0:12:02.339,0:12:07.079
them well and I mean he's I think he's
0:12:04.260,0:12:08.940
78 years old this year and he's still
0:12:07.079,0:12:11.160
every you know every few weeks I'll get
0:12:08.940,0:12:13.320
a picture pop up on my phone where he's
0:12:11.160,0:12:15.480
gone up on the mountain or out in the
0:12:13.320,0:12:18.180
desert and called in another coyote and
0:12:15.480,0:12:20.940
killed it but he still packs that same
0:12:18.180,0:12:23.640
old wood Cersei call I mean it's all the
0:12:20.940,0:12:25.200
Finish he's all rubbed off of it but he
0:12:23.640,0:12:28.560
still uses it and he still packs that
0:12:25.200,0:12:30.600
same old wood call how what uh you said
0:12:28.560,0:12:32.700
he was pretty young how long ago was
0:12:30.600,0:12:35.940
that when he actually started calling
0:12:32.700,0:12:37.980
for Kyle oh he would have been
0:12:35.940,0:12:40.260
I'm pretty sure that would have been you
0:12:37.980,0:12:44.180
know he would have been early 20s so I
0:12:40.260,0:12:46.980
don't so I don't know you know yeah yeah
0:12:44.180,0:12:48.720
56 years ago and that you know he still
0:12:46.980,0:12:50.760
packs that call around that calls that
0:12:48.720,0:12:52.260
old I can't even imagine how many so
0:12:50.760,0:12:54.600
that's that's pretty crazy just talking
0:12:52.260,0:12:56.940
about you know like I was saying a lot
0:12:54.600,0:12:59.579
of guys here in the East and some other
0:12:56.940,0:13:01.980
states we don't have that long you know
0:12:59.579,0:13:03.779
some guys do that long tradition of
0:13:01.980,0:13:05.820
actual coyote hunting because we really
0:13:03.779,0:13:08.160
didn't even have the coyote numbers to
0:13:05.820,0:13:10.800
go after and it it's yeah it's cool
0:13:08.160,0:13:12.779
hearing you talk about uh the evolution
0:13:10.800,0:13:14.820
of your dad getting into hunting because
0:13:12.779,0:13:16.860
I kind of imagined him being like me
0:13:14.820,0:13:19.740
when I started out as a teenager in the
0:13:16.860,0:13:22.260
90s uh when we started seeing uh
0:13:19.740,0:13:24.480
depredation from coyotes and you know in
0:13:22.260,0:13:25.800
Calvin season and stuff like that I
0:13:24.480,0:13:27.120
first started out just kind of deer
0:13:25.800,0:13:28.800
hunting you know just going after
0:13:27.120,0:13:30.480
setting up just see if I couldn't catch
0:13:28.800,0:13:33.180
them coming into the pasture fields and
0:13:30.480,0:13:35.880
and whatever and then kind of like your
0:13:33.180,0:13:37.560
dad I found out I got a hand call that's
0:13:35.880,0:13:41.339
talking to some guys read some stuff
0:13:37.560,0:13:43.200
about hand column and uh has some kind
0:13:41.339,0:13:45.360
of closed Reed wooden I don't even know
0:13:43.200,0:13:47.519
what the brand was uh Cottontail wrap
0:13:45.360,0:13:49.920
distress and you know just when I turned
0:13:47.519,0:13:51.899
squalled on it and sure enough you know
0:13:49.920,0:13:54.060
called in my first coyotes with it and
0:13:51.899,0:13:57.959
it kind of lit that fire it went from
0:13:54.060,0:14:00.240
just something that I did to to help Dad
0:13:57.959,0:14:01.920
out with with these this depredation
0:14:00.240,0:14:05.220
from the coyotes to something that
0:14:01.920,0:14:07.620
turned into a passion and uh I'm sure
0:14:05.220,0:14:09.240
like your grandfather a great
0:14:07.620,0:14:11.579
grandfather they were doing it just out
0:14:09.240,0:14:14.040
of necessity they had to to protect
0:14:11.579,0:14:15.959
their way of life their their Ranch and
0:14:14.040,0:14:18.420
protecting their chickens sheep and so
0:14:15.959,0:14:21.660
on so I think it's pretty cool uh you
0:14:18.420,0:14:23.880
talking about how your dad went from you
0:14:21.660,0:14:25.620
know just just hunting them to to be in
0:14:23.880,0:14:29.160
a coyote collar
0:14:25.620,0:14:31.500
yeah you know and when my uh when my dad
0:14:29.160,0:14:34.380
was in high school in the Summers
0:14:31.500,0:14:37.200
he would uh he'd go on the mountain with
0:14:34.380,0:14:39.300
the Sheep herds for you know my grandpa
0:14:37.200,0:14:41.639
and all my cousins that had
0:14:39.300,0:14:44.699
that had herds of sheep and even still
0:14:41.639,0:14:48.320
to this day my favorite stand
0:14:44.699,0:14:51.480
that I try to make every year
0:14:48.320,0:14:52.800
it's in Colorado you drive up to the
0:14:51.480,0:14:55.500
edge of the Wilderness and then it's
0:14:52.800,0:14:57.480
about a three and a half hour hike Into
0:14:55.500,0:14:59.519
the Wilderness up on top you're above
0:14:57.480,0:15:02.519
the Timberline and it's just this great
0:14:59.519,0:15:04.199
big flat mounting up on top and my dad
0:15:02.519,0:15:06.480
when he was a kid would go up there with
0:15:04.199,0:15:08.220
a sheep herd and you had a couple horses
0:15:06.480,0:15:10.079
and a pack string that you'd carry your
0:15:08.220,0:15:11.519
camp in there you lived in a tent and
0:15:10.079,0:15:13.320
he'd live up there all summer with the
0:15:11.519,0:15:14.699
sheep and he said the coyotes were so
0:15:13.320,0:15:17.100
thick up there
0:15:14.699,0:15:18.839
they would go out and uh
0:15:17.100,0:15:20.940
they had these little pots that you'd
0:15:18.839,0:15:22.980
put coal oil in and they'd light them on
0:15:20.940,0:15:25.260
fire is basically like a kind of a
0:15:22.980,0:15:29.579
lantern right and they'd set those
0:15:25.260,0:15:31.139
around the herd and you know keep those
0:15:29.579,0:15:33.000
little fires going to try to keep the
0:15:31.139,0:15:34.920
Coyotes out of the out of the sheep at
0:15:33.000,0:15:36.839
night and up in that High Country
0:15:34.920,0:15:38.339
there's a lot of Willows and you know
0:15:36.839,0:15:39.959
the Sheep getting those Willows and get
0:15:38.339,0:15:41.760
feed and boy the coyotes can get you
0:15:39.959,0:15:43.139
know right up on them when you've never
0:15:41.760,0:15:44.639
even been there even though they were
0:15:43.139,0:15:46.139
coming and he's the boy that coyotes had
0:15:44.639,0:15:48.120
just raised King with them up there and
0:15:46.139,0:15:49.980
he'd spend all night out lighting them
0:15:48.120,0:15:52.440
pots trying to keep the Coyotes out and
0:15:49.980,0:15:54.779
you'd try to be right there with them at
0:15:52.440,0:15:57.600
the crack of dawn
0:15:54.779,0:16:00.540
keep the Coyotes out the only gun he had
0:15:57.600,0:16:03.300
was an old lever action 25-35
0:16:00.540,0:16:05.160
and uh he said he sometimes he wondered
0:16:03.300,0:16:06.600
if it was even had bullets coming out
0:16:05.160,0:16:08.120
the end of the barrel he had such a hard
0:16:06.600,0:16:11.579
time hitting him with it
0:16:08.120,0:16:14.459
bouncing off yeah you know and so he uh
0:16:11.579,0:16:15.899
and he told me you know for years and
0:16:14.459,0:16:18.120
years when I was young he'd tell me how
0:16:15.899,0:16:19.560
we got to go Upon This Mountain someday
0:16:18.120,0:16:21.899
and see if we can call coyotes you know
0:16:19.560,0:16:23.339
he just when he when he first started
0:16:21.899,0:16:25.500
learning call cuts it was down in the
0:16:23.339,0:16:27.899
lower country down in the sage and uh
0:16:25.500,0:16:29.339
you know where you think is is pretty
0:16:27.899,0:16:31.500
typical Coyote Country and you know
0:16:29.339,0:16:32.820
there's a lot of rabbits and and he goes
0:16:31.500,0:16:35.040
like you know I don't know how it'd work
0:16:32.820,0:16:36.839
up there in that High Country you know
0:16:35.040,0:16:38.820
there's not really any jack rabbits and
0:16:36.839,0:16:39.839
you know we gotta we gotta hike up there
0:16:38.820,0:16:41.579
and try it
0:16:39.839,0:16:43.920
so one day when I was a kid I remember
0:16:41.579,0:16:45.660
oh man I never thought that hiking end
0:16:43.920,0:16:48.000
it took us you know about three and a
0:16:45.660,0:16:52.440
half hours to get up there yeah yeah and
0:16:48.000,0:16:54.360
uh we set up against uh against no uh
0:16:52.440,0:16:55.980
pine tree that had tipped over right on
0:16:54.360,0:16:58.620
the edge of Timberline
0:16:55.980,0:17:01.320
and dad got on his on his little hand
0:16:58.620,0:17:03.360
call and in about two minutes we had
0:17:01.320,0:17:04.740
coyotes bearing down on us like you
0:17:03.360,0:17:07.260
couldn't believe I mean these coyotes
0:17:04.740,0:17:09.540
that you know these guys had never heard
0:17:07.260,0:17:11.459
a call right and I mean they were just
0:17:09.540,0:17:14.640
they were just coming they were going to
0:17:11.459,0:17:17.339
eat us up and so every year sand sand
0:17:14.640,0:17:19.260
that's been about oh geez I don't know
0:17:17.339,0:17:21.600
that's been a long time ago it's been 30
0:17:19.260,0:17:25.559
years ago you know every year two cents
0:17:21.600,0:17:28.559
then we try to hike up in there and uh
0:17:25.559,0:17:31.799
and make that stand and boy it's a long
0:17:28.559,0:17:33.780
ways up in there but you know it's kind
0:17:31.799,0:17:35.940
of it's kind of a nostalgic thing I
0:17:33.780,0:17:39.660
guess because I'm hunting I'm hunting
0:17:35.940,0:17:43.620
country that my family ran Livestock on
0:17:39.660,0:17:46.740
for you know geez probably 80 years now
0:17:43.620,0:17:49.020
and uh you know my dad grew up there
0:17:46.740,0:17:51.360
when he was you know a teenage kid he
0:17:49.020,0:17:53.460
was up there and and me and him went up
0:17:51.360,0:17:56.220
there and kind of experimented calling
0:17:53.460,0:17:59.039
those real High Country coyotes
0:17:56.220,0:18:00.960
and since we've done that you know years
0:17:59.039,0:18:02.520
and years ago now that's some of my
0:18:00.960,0:18:04.200
favorite country to hunt is the High
0:18:02.520,0:18:06.780
Country yeah you know there may not be
0:18:04.200,0:18:11.539
jackrabbits up there and whatnot but
0:18:06.780,0:18:13.980
there's a lot of coyotes and they uh
0:18:11.539,0:18:17.400
it's a little different finding them up
0:18:13.980,0:18:19.860
in that steep rugged country but uh man
0:18:17.400,0:18:21.480
it's it can be a lot of fun and usually
0:18:19.860,0:18:22.799
that kind of country you have to hunt in
0:18:21.480,0:18:24.299
the summer because you know it's all
0:18:22.799,0:18:26.460
covered snow in the winter and you can't
0:18:24.299,0:18:27.600
get to it I'll tell you what I've hunted
0:18:26.460,0:18:30.419
a little bit of that type of stuff like
0:18:27.600,0:18:32.340
in Wyoming uh I tell you what it's a
0:18:30.419,0:18:35.539
different level of coyote too it's a
0:18:32.340,0:18:35.539
it's all about fluffy
0:18:38.539,0:18:42.840
sometimes even you know in the it's
0:18:41.039,0:18:44.580
usually in July when I hike up there and
0:18:42.840,0:18:46.980
make that stand and I've killed coyotes
0:18:44.580,0:18:48.240
that uh you think my goodness you know
0:18:46.980,0:18:50.160
how's that coyote not dying a heat
0:18:48.240,0:18:53.220
stroke he's got so much fur on him and
0:18:50.160,0:18:55.080
then uh you know a lot of times they're
0:18:53.220,0:18:57.179
you get up to them and they've kind of
0:18:55.080,0:18:58.860
half shed that right you hear coat and
0:18:57.179,0:19:00.360
it's still just kind of stuck to him and
0:18:58.860,0:19:02.640
they're getting nasty looking old things
0:19:00.360,0:19:04.559
but I tell you I've killed some really
0:19:02.640,0:19:06.720
old coyotes in the High Country I think
0:19:04.559,0:19:08.880
just because they don't get
0:19:06.720,0:19:10.500
you know the pressure and there's not as
0:19:08.880,0:19:13.020
many guys that hunt them up there but
0:19:10.500,0:19:15.000
I've always thought that was uh that was
0:19:13.020,0:19:16.740
a lot of fun to go up kind of make that
0:19:15.000,0:19:19.860
stand it has a little historical
0:19:16.740,0:19:22.260
significance to me and uh I think I
0:19:19.860,0:19:24.419
learned a lot calling coyotes on that
0:19:22.260,0:19:27.240
stand just in the High Country kind of
0:19:24.419,0:19:28.860
got my mind working about you know I
0:19:27.240,0:19:31.500
don't have to go out in the desert and
0:19:28.860,0:19:34.860
hunt the low stuff you can go up it you
0:19:31.500,0:19:36.480
know 10 000 feet and uh those coyotes up
0:19:34.860,0:19:37.860
there they need hunting too so right
0:19:36.480,0:19:40.260
like you said you get away from the
0:19:37.860,0:19:42.480
pressure and you know I I definitely
0:19:40.260,0:19:44.280
understand it about the nostalgic side
0:19:42.480,0:19:47.100
of it but you know it almost sounds like
0:19:44.280,0:19:48.960
you elk hun you know hiking in for three
0:19:47.100,0:19:51.419
hours just to go up there call it coyote
0:19:48.960,0:19:53.100
I'll tell you one thing it's uh
0:19:51.419,0:19:54.720
um if you decide you want to pack one
0:19:53.100,0:19:57.360
out that Coyote's a lot easier to pack
0:19:54.720,0:19:59.340
out of that country than an elk you know
0:19:57.360,0:20:01.140
you mentioned elk on one of those fans
0:19:59.340,0:20:02.820
it's been about oh I think it was about
0:20:01.140,0:20:05.039
three years ago I mean my dad were up in
0:20:02.820,0:20:06.419
that spot you know we hike them on that
0:20:05.039,0:20:08.039
Hill there's about three or four stands
0:20:06.419,0:20:10.260
we can make in the day walking around
0:20:08.039,0:20:11.760
there and by the time you get back down
0:20:10.260,0:20:13.679
to the trailhead and get back down to
0:20:11.760,0:20:16.260
the truck boy you've you know you've put
0:20:13.679,0:20:18.000
some miles on but we were up on there we
0:20:16.260,0:20:19.559
were up on there and you know there's a
0:20:18.000,0:20:22.559
lot of elk up there
0:20:19.559,0:20:27.720
we started calling one day and uh I was
0:20:22.559,0:20:30.179
playing I believe I started off with a
0:20:27.720,0:20:32.580
just a pup sound like pup three or
0:20:30.179,0:20:34.260
something like that right you know kind
0:20:32.580,0:20:37.740
of old standby
0:20:34.260,0:20:38.880
and my dad kind of whistled at me a
0:20:37.740,0:20:40.740
little bit and I thought geez you must
0:20:38.880,0:20:42.179
see something coming and here come I
0:20:40.740,0:20:45.900
mean they're going to spend 100 headed
0:20:42.179,0:20:47.640
cows and calves you know and they man
0:20:45.900,0:20:49.140
they ran right up and stood right around
0:20:47.640,0:20:51.360
us and just looked at us I got a video
0:20:49.140,0:20:53.640
on my phone of them out just pouring in
0:20:51.360,0:20:56.539
there to see what in the world is that
0:20:53.640,0:20:59.880
crazy sound cool that's pretty cool
0:20:56.539,0:21:02.160
yeah being in I've never seen that
0:20:59.880,0:21:03.600
happen but there's you know he was
0:21:02.160,0:21:05.460
talking about Teddy made something stand
0:21:03.600,0:21:07.020
out my mind and I almost kind of forgot
0:21:05.460,0:21:09.299
about it yes I remember
0:21:07.020,0:21:10.559
time me and remember it was actually it
0:21:09.299,0:21:12.780
was either like the last week of
0:21:10.559,0:21:14.580
September or first week of October you
0:21:12.780,0:21:17.280
know elk seasons are still in but we
0:21:14.580,0:21:19.020
were in some it wasn't like Timberline
0:21:17.280,0:21:22.080
High Country you know I'm talking about
0:21:19.020,0:21:24.419
like you know 8 000 foot seven thousand
0:21:22.080,0:21:26.039
foot stuff and and was calling I
0:21:24.419,0:21:27.419
remember ripped out a big house started
0:21:26.039,0:21:28.799
to stand off
0:21:27.419,0:21:30.299
and sitting there you know we always
0:21:28.799,0:21:31.980
wait a minute or two see if something's
0:21:30.299,0:21:34.440
going to respond to that and all sudden
0:21:31.980,0:21:37.020
I hear this distant
0:21:34.440,0:21:38.640
what I think's a Hal and I look over my
0:21:37.020,0:21:40.080
brother Phil like how we got one we
0:21:38.640,0:21:41.400
gonna kill this one he looks all right
0:21:40.080,0:21:42.480
he's like what are you what are you
0:21:41.400,0:21:44.340
talking about I said you hear that
0:21:42.480,0:21:46.919
coyote Hal and don't you say that's a
0:21:44.340,0:21:49.620
bull elk bugler and I said are you
0:21:46.919,0:21:51.840
serious he said yeah so I held again and
0:21:49.620,0:21:53.880
the bull the bull is answering us he's
0:21:51.840,0:21:55.799
so far away he thinks that I I'm
0:21:53.880,0:21:58.559
assuming he thought the coyote house was
0:21:55.799,0:22:00.299
another bull bugle so he was bugling
0:21:58.559,0:22:02.340
back it but that was pretty cool I
0:22:00.299,0:22:04.500
assure you that was pretty exciting uh
0:22:02.340,0:22:06.900
that you saw all the cows and the Cavs
0:22:04.500,0:22:08.280
running into jaw actually y'all seen
0:22:06.900,0:22:10.080
coyotes on that stand I'm sure not
0:22:08.280,0:22:12.360
without any elk running around but well
0:22:10.080,0:22:14.520
that we saw one coyote that popped up on
0:22:12.360,0:22:16.500
the ridge oh he was probably seven eight
0:22:14.520,0:22:18.360
hundred yards away and he parked at us a
0:22:16.500,0:22:20.039
little bit and that was it he didn't
0:22:18.360,0:22:21.720
want to come play but you know what's
0:22:20.039,0:22:23.100
funny you mentioned the elk answering
0:22:21.720,0:22:26.159
coyote call because it's only been a
0:22:23.100,0:22:28.440
couple days ago uh me and Jana went up
0:22:26.159,0:22:30.059
the canyon here and uh there's a spot
0:22:28.440,0:22:31.320
I'd had some coyotes answering me and
0:22:30.059,0:22:32.940
hadn't had a chance to go hunt him I
0:22:31.320,0:22:34.200
said let's run up there before dark you
0:22:32.940,0:22:36.539
know as soon as I get off work let's run
0:22:34.200,0:22:38.340
up to there and see if we can try it
0:22:36.539,0:22:41.280
of course she's always game for that and
0:22:38.340,0:22:43.679
we went up there and sit down and uh
0:22:41.280,0:22:45.960
I you know played a few howls and
0:22:43.679,0:22:47.520
thought I could hear something
0:22:45.960,0:22:49.140
and
0:22:47.520,0:22:50.760
the dogs thought you know they were
0:22:49.140,0:22:52.799
looking around a little bit and Jen is
0:22:50.760,0:22:54.659
like did you hear that I said yeah she
0:22:52.799,0:22:55.740
goes look across that Ridge and I'm like
0:22:54.659,0:22:57.000
why are you looking clear over there
0:22:55.740,0:22:58.380
they ain't no coyote coming you know
0:22:57.000,0:23:01.080
it's like a mile and a half away there
0:22:58.380,0:23:03.059
we go bowl standing over there yeah you
0:23:01.080,0:23:05.340
know and it's pretty early early for him
0:23:03.059,0:23:07.200
to be bugling but every time I'd uh I'd
0:23:05.340,0:23:09.539
rip off a howl that's what he'd do he
0:23:07.200,0:23:12.000
just you know he'd give us just a couple
0:23:09.539,0:23:14.280
Chuckles back and just you know a light
0:23:12.000,0:23:15.900
bugle but it was you never know what's
0:23:14.280,0:23:18.179
going to happen out there on that you
0:23:15.900,0:23:19.919
know out there on that stand I I'm sure
0:23:18.179,0:23:21.780
you've had plenty of times too you know
0:23:19.919,0:23:24.539
you talk about deer hunting and that
0:23:21.780,0:23:26.220
when you've been sitting on stand uh and
0:23:24.539,0:23:27.659
you uh especially in the summer you
0:23:26.220,0:23:29.280
start playing some kind of a pup
0:23:27.659,0:23:31.679
distress or falling distress or
0:23:29.280,0:23:33.900
something like that and you know you got
0:23:31.679,0:23:35.159
to be ready for for them old does to
0:23:33.900,0:23:36.720
come in there because sometimes they
0:23:35.159,0:23:38.520
come in there and they they got a bad
0:23:36.720,0:23:40.860
attitude you know they wonder what's
0:23:38.520,0:23:43.260
going on in there they're looking for a
0:23:40.860,0:23:44.640
fight I've had plenty of calls tomp I've
0:23:43.260,0:23:46.500
even had them come running up to a call
0:23:44.640,0:23:48.600
you know ripping out a few house you
0:23:46.500,0:23:50.159
know and that always tells me that you
0:23:48.600,0:23:52.380
gotta have coyotes around because you
0:23:50.159,0:23:53.820
know they associate that with with the
0:23:52.380,0:23:56.039
coyote when I hear that how they know
0:23:53.820,0:23:57.000
exactly what it is and uh you know
0:23:56.039,0:23:59.220
you're talking about the boy yeah okay
0:23:57.000,0:24:01.260
I'll talk about it being pretty early it
0:23:59.220,0:24:02.940
is September one this is first day of
0:24:01.260,0:24:04.860
September that you know elk seasons are
0:24:02.940,0:24:07.740
opening up so it's time it's time for
0:24:04.860,0:24:09.480
them yep yep yeah elk season's running
0:24:07.740,0:24:13.620
the archery Oak season's running here
0:24:09.480,0:24:16.080
and uh here in Utah but you know I
0:24:13.620,0:24:18.480
he's talking about my my dad and my
0:24:16.080,0:24:21.299
grandpa and everything you know I got a
0:24:18.480,0:24:24.240
I got a daughter that uh he's I'm gonna
0:24:21.299,0:24:27.600
date myself here I think but my oldest
0:24:24.240,0:24:30.480
daughter just turned 27.
0:24:27.600,0:24:33.419
and I got a boy that I believe is
0:24:30.480,0:24:34.860
just about ready to turn 25 and my
0:24:33.419,0:24:37.159
youngest daughter
0:24:34.860,0:24:40.080
let's see
0:24:37.159,0:24:41.659
two days ago turned
0:24:40.080,0:24:44.640
20.
0:24:41.659,0:24:47.159
and when she was
0:24:44.640,0:24:48.659
oh she's about 12 or 13.
0:24:47.159,0:24:50.820
I told her I said why don't you go to
0:24:48.659,0:24:52.919
Colorado with me and uh let's go up
0:24:50.820,0:24:54.480
there and you know my cousin still runs
0:24:52.919,0:24:56.400
sheep on all that country out there and
0:24:54.480,0:24:59.039
he knows where all the coyotes are so he
0:24:56.400,0:25:00.299
kind of gives me the inside info I took
0:24:59.039,0:25:04.520
her out there
0:25:00.299,0:25:04.520
set it up on a stand with uh
0:25:05.100,0:25:09.240
oh excuse me set her up on a stand and
0:25:08.039,0:25:13.020
uh
0:25:09.240,0:25:16.380
got a little 222 rifles that's you know
0:25:13.020,0:25:17.940
I love a 222. oh man just silly accurate
0:25:16.380,0:25:20.580
user friendly
0:25:17.940,0:25:23.580
and I set her up and I told her I said
0:25:20.580,0:25:26.039
this is about 100 stand right here
0:25:23.580,0:25:29.700
and uh you know I've never not called a
0:25:26.039,0:25:31.620
coyote here and you just take your time
0:25:29.700,0:25:34.159
if one of them shows up and just Ease on
0:25:31.620,0:25:34.159
that trigger
0:25:35.340,0:25:39.659
sorry man
0:25:36.840,0:25:41.460
number one coughing here
0:25:39.659,0:25:44.279
you might it sounds like you're you're
0:25:41.460,0:25:46.880
down here in Kentucky we got yeah we got
0:25:44.279,0:25:46.880
allergies
0:25:49.100,0:25:54.000
seeds blowing around by choking me death
0:25:51.600,0:25:55.799
hey I feel you like I said Ragweed
0:25:54.000,0:25:57.000
season here in the evening it's rough
0:25:55.799,0:25:59.400
right now
0:25:57.000,0:26:01.679
so anyway I got my daughter there and I
0:25:59.400,0:26:04.320
set up you know we're we're calling and
0:26:01.679,0:26:06.059
uh way out there you know I I can hear
0:26:04.320,0:26:07.740
the rock checks I don't know you guys
0:26:06.059,0:26:09.299
call them woodchucks Rock Chuck's
0:26:07.740,0:26:10.679
marmots out your way yeah they're
0:26:09.299,0:26:12.240
they're a little bit they're pretty
0:26:10.679,0:26:14.159
similar you know we call them they
0:26:12.240,0:26:15.720
actually call them groundhogs down in my
0:26:14.159,0:26:17.039
area but I think on up in the Northeast
0:26:15.720,0:26:20.760
and stuff they call them wood wood
0:26:17.039,0:26:22.440
Chucks but uh yeah I know exactly what
0:26:20.760,0:26:24.679
you're talking about yeah yellow-bellied
0:26:22.440,0:26:27.720
marmots I think yep
0:26:24.679,0:26:29.640
they are they are a coyote Hunter's best
0:26:27.720,0:26:32.100
friend because they will tattletail on
0:26:29.640,0:26:33.960
them coyotes like you can't believe and
0:26:32.100,0:26:36.299
so we start calling and you know about
0:26:33.960,0:26:38.400
I'm probably seven eight minutes in and
0:26:36.299,0:26:40.559
I can hear Rock Chuck way out on this
0:26:38.400,0:26:42.020
Ridge start chirping
0:26:40.559,0:26:45.000
and then
0:26:42.020,0:26:46.919
about two minutes later another one
0:26:45.000,0:26:49.200
right in front of us starts chirping and
0:26:46.919,0:26:51.900
here pops up the kite yeah yeah and he
0:26:49.200,0:26:54.539
uh walks up man my old daughter
0:26:51.900,0:26:55.740
one of my proud dad moments she leaned
0:26:54.539,0:26:58.500
on that old trigger and tipped that
0:26:55.740,0:27:00.480
coyote right over that's awesome oh yeah
0:26:58.500,0:27:03.720
she was so excited she was cool as could
0:27:00.480,0:27:05.880
be on the trigger yeah yep that's that's
0:27:03.720,0:27:07.500
it's pretty awesome here in here at all
0:27:05.880,0:27:09.120
the stories you know talking about you
0:27:07.500,0:27:11.580
know like I said you you great grand man
0:27:09.120,0:27:13.140
your granddad your dad you now you're
0:27:11.580,0:27:15.480
passing on to your kids talking about
0:27:13.140,0:27:18.539
you your daughter tipping over at Coyote
0:27:15.480,0:27:19.980
it's it's pretty cool I said a lot of us
0:27:18.539,0:27:22.380
here and they just don't have that long
0:27:19.980,0:27:23.820
running tradition uh passed down through
0:27:22.380,0:27:25.140
the family of coyote so I think it's
0:27:23.820,0:27:28.080
really cool to hear from somebody like
0:27:25.140,0:27:29.760
you yeah you know she was she loved it
0:27:28.080,0:27:31.200
she was so excited and of course the
0:27:29.760,0:27:33.179
first thing we had to do was drive over
0:27:31.200,0:27:34.860
to the edge of the mountain where she
0:27:33.179,0:27:38.820
could text the picture to all of her
0:27:34.860,0:27:40.980
friends and you know yeah got it you
0:27:38.820,0:27:43.020
know when I was when I was a kid you
0:27:40.980,0:27:44.880
know if you went hunting you'd you know
0:27:43.020,0:27:47.220
cell phones that hadn't even heard of
0:27:44.880,0:27:49.260
stuff right right and you know all these
0:27:47.220,0:27:50.700
pictures and and you know like my dad my
0:27:49.260,0:27:52.740
grandpa on that
0:27:50.700,0:27:53.520
they don't got no pictures any of this
0:27:52.740,0:27:56.460
stuff
0:27:53.520,0:27:58.980
and you know oh we got we got we have
0:27:56.460,0:28:00.720
the stories that they tell us but we
0:27:58.980,0:28:02.940
don't have all you know like you can go
0:28:00.720,0:28:04.380
on my social media and see what I've you
0:28:02.940,0:28:06.960
know been doing every day for the last
0:28:04.380,0:28:08.700
month and my kids my kids are even worse
0:28:06.960,0:28:11.100
you can tell where they're at every 10
0:28:08.700,0:28:13.740
minutes on their social media but you
0:28:11.100,0:28:16.799
know my my dad my grandpa my great
0:28:13.740,0:28:19.980
grandpa's you know all we got is the
0:28:16.799,0:28:21.600
stories which yeah the stories I do have
0:28:19.980,0:28:25.740
a picture uh
0:28:21.600,0:28:29.340
of my grandpa that I took and he's
0:28:25.740,0:28:33.059
holding a picture of
0:28:29.340,0:28:36.360
it's his dad's dog so my great grandpa's
0:28:33.059,0:28:38.580
dog and it's my grandpa and his brother
0:28:36.360,0:28:40.140
my uncle and they're standing there one
0:28:38.580,0:28:42.179
of them's riding the dog and one of them
0:28:40.140,0:28:44.279
standing next to it yeah and they got
0:28:42.179,0:28:47.220
their bib overalls on they're probably
0:28:44.279,0:28:50.340
they're probably five and six years old
0:28:47.220,0:28:52.919
and I told him I says uh
0:28:50.340,0:28:54.539
as his grandpa when you uh
0:28:52.919,0:28:55.799
when you decide you don't need that
0:28:54.539,0:28:58.679
picture anymore
0:28:55.799,0:29:01.220
I said I want it I ain't asking you for
0:28:58.679,0:29:03.539
anything else but I want that picture
0:29:01.220,0:29:06.000
he told me he says you got it do your
0:29:03.539,0:29:09.179
open name on the back of it and uh you
0:29:06.000,0:29:11.220
know he's 98 years old and I still talk
0:29:09.179,0:29:13.919
oh yeah I still talk to him every week
0:29:11.220,0:29:16.140
and uh if you didn't know you know he
0:29:13.919,0:29:17.880
was that old you'd never believe it when
0:29:16.140,0:29:20.240
I call him talk to him and he asked me
0:29:17.880,0:29:22.799
where we've been hunting lately
0:29:20.240,0:29:25.620
wants to hear the hunting story oh yeah
0:29:22.799,0:29:28.380
he we still talk politics and trucks and
0:29:25.620,0:29:29.460
guns and all kinds of stuff you know and
0:29:28.380,0:29:31.620
it's
0:29:29.460,0:29:33.840
yeah it's pretty cool we're you know
0:29:31.620,0:29:36.600
like I said you don't uh you may not
0:29:33.840,0:29:38.279
have the coyote stories that go back
0:29:36.600,0:29:40.679
Generations but I'm sure coming from
0:29:38.279,0:29:43.080
back where you're at with your uh
0:29:40.679,0:29:45.059
with your Traditions I bet there's a lot
0:29:43.080,0:29:46.340
of whitetails yeah and turkey hunting
0:29:45.059,0:29:48.899
stories
0:29:46.340,0:29:50.880
yeah a lot of that in kind of the same
0:29:48.899,0:29:53.820
way as you I can remember being down to
0:29:50.880,0:29:56.159
grandparents and great uncles and stuff
0:29:53.820,0:29:57.659
being there and my dad my uncles be
0:29:56.159,0:29:59.940
talking around you know the kitchen
0:29:57.659,0:30:01.140
table and telling hunting stories the
0:29:59.940,0:30:02.580
funny thing is we didn't have any
0:30:01.140,0:30:04.440
whitetails either so they'd actually
0:30:02.580,0:30:06.120
they'd actually travel to the Northeast
0:30:04.440,0:30:07.320
like up around Pennsylvania and stuff to
0:30:06.120,0:30:09.600
deer hunt but
0:30:07.320,0:30:11.279
I always you know look forward I'm
0:30:09.600,0:30:12.960
coming down and hearing those stories
0:30:11.279,0:30:14.340
and now you know you know sometimes
0:30:12.960,0:30:15.360
passed away and that kind of stuff but
0:30:14.340,0:30:17.640
there's some of them I'm still really
0:30:15.360,0:30:19.320
close to it's around and we still tell
0:30:17.640,0:30:21.480
the stories and and they want to hear
0:30:19.320,0:30:23.159
the coyote hunt stories because you know
0:30:21.480,0:30:24.960
they've never got to experience it but
0:30:23.159,0:30:26.460
they think it's so interesting and
0:30:24.960,0:30:28.380
always look forward to me telling that
0:30:26.460,0:30:30.539
stuff and of course I like telling them
0:30:28.380,0:30:31.799
I like telling stories I like I like
0:30:30.539,0:30:33.179
hearing the stories and you know you're
0:30:31.799,0:30:36.120
talking about taking pictures and stuff
0:30:33.179,0:30:37.799
you know of course you know I'm I'm just
0:30:36.120,0:30:39.419
as bad as anybody if I kill a coyote You
0:30:37.799,0:30:40.980
Gonna Know About You Gonna See pictures
0:30:39.419,0:30:42.600
and all that kind of stuff but when I
0:30:40.980,0:30:44.460
first started doing it there was nobody
0:30:42.600,0:30:46.799
to share it with I remember the first
0:30:44.460,0:30:48.480
ones I first coyotes I killed that I
0:30:46.799,0:30:50.640
actually called in
0:30:48.480,0:30:52.380
um you know I was pretty young and I
0:30:50.640,0:30:53.820
mean I was driving age but I can
0:30:52.380,0:30:55.080
remember throwing them things up in the
0:30:53.820,0:30:57.600
back of the truck and going to the
0:30:55.080,0:30:59.820
Stockyards it was on a Saturday and my
0:30:57.600,0:31:01.799
dad and uncle were at the at Stockyard
0:30:59.820,0:31:03.840
were selling calves that morning but I
0:31:01.799,0:31:06.059
went right into the sale barn right into
0:31:03.840,0:31:07.500
the show ring and said you know grad hey
0:31:06.059,0:31:09.360
I got coyote Terror truck you need to
0:31:07.500,0:31:10.980
check this out of course half the half
0:31:09.360,0:31:12.179
the sale barn come out to check it out
0:31:10.980,0:31:14.779
that's how you know I got a lot of
0:31:12.179,0:31:17.340
coyote ground that day but you know it's
0:31:14.779,0:31:19.080
just just cool so let's get back to the
0:31:17.340,0:31:21.000
let's get back to the coyote stuff here
0:31:19.080,0:31:22.200
John I know you're a year-round Predator
0:31:21.000,0:31:24.659
Hunter
0:31:22.200,0:31:26.460
um what is your favorite time to to
0:31:24.659,0:31:28.200
coyote hunt I know you do some decoy dog
0:31:26.460,0:31:31.500
and stuff so I know summer probably
0:31:28.200,0:31:32.580
holds a uh you know a special place in
0:31:31.500,0:31:34.200
your heart especially with the
0:31:32.580,0:31:36.960
background with the dogs
0:31:34.200,0:31:39.600
yeah I really enjoy
0:31:36.960,0:31:42.720
you know hunting with dogs I've had
0:31:39.600,0:31:44.640
hound dogs I've had bird dogs and and uh
0:31:42.720,0:31:47.279
you know my family's always had some
0:31:44.640,0:31:50.100
kind of a coyote dog ever since I was
0:31:47.279,0:31:52.140
little even our stock dogs we had on the
0:31:50.100,0:31:54.779
farms when I was young were all
0:31:52.140,0:31:55.500
you know pretty decent coyote dogs and
0:31:54.779,0:31:57.240
uh
0:31:55.500,0:31:59.399
they uh
0:31:57.240,0:32:02.640
you know I just I love hunting with dogs
0:31:59.399,0:32:05.100
so I enjoy getting out in the in the
0:32:02.640,0:32:09.179
spring when they uh they really start
0:32:05.100,0:32:12.240
getting territorial all the way till
0:32:09.179,0:32:13.980
probably about the end of this month you
0:32:12.240,0:32:16.320
know the dogging kind of starts to die
0:32:13.980,0:32:17.760
off and they the pups disperse and Mom
0:32:16.320,0:32:19.559
and Dad are kind of like all right
0:32:17.760,0:32:22.500
you're on your own I'm done trying to
0:32:19.559,0:32:24.720
protect you from the world and right and
0:32:22.500,0:32:27.480
uh so as much as I love hunting big
0:32:24.720,0:32:30.360
furred up wintertime coyotes I'd say
0:32:27.480,0:32:32.640
probably the the summer is probably my
0:32:30.360,0:32:35.760
number one
0:32:32.640,0:32:38.159
favorite time to hunt but also
0:32:35.760,0:32:39.779
you know it's fun to get out in the in
0:32:38.159,0:32:42.600
the winter and watch them roll in when
0:32:39.779,0:32:44.940
they're big furred up oh man you know I
0:32:42.600,0:32:46.500
I've had the chance to hunt Alberta a
0:32:44.940,0:32:50.100
couple times and those coyotes up there
0:32:46.500,0:32:52.740
they they're huge they're white and you
0:32:50.100,0:32:55.740
know they fur up really good money guy
0:32:52.740,0:32:58.260
what's up here oh yeah I mean I've had a
0:32:55.740,0:33:01.080
couple stands up there with uh
0:32:58.260,0:33:03.299
with Al where we had you know five six
0:33:01.080,0:33:04.980
eight coyotes running in and it looks
0:33:03.299,0:33:07.559
like I heard of polar bears coming at
0:33:04.980,0:33:10.020
you right and so you know that's a lot
0:33:07.559,0:33:12.539
of fun too I really
0:33:10.020,0:33:14.460
the thing that uh kind of works for me
0:33:12.539,0:33:18.299
in the summer is mostly auctions and
0:33:14.460,0:33:21.179
stuff I do or weekend events and most of
0:33:18.299,0:33:24.000
that is in the winter
0:33:21.179,0:33:25.919
to those winter months is kind of a real
0:33:24.000,0:33:28.260
busy time for me and so I have a hard
0:33:25.919,0:33:30.779
time getting out as much as I'd like
0:33:28.260,0:33:32.640
but in the spring and summer it kind of
0:33:30.779,0:33:35.220
my schedule kind of
0:33:32.640,0:33:37.140
lightens up a little bit and the country
0:33:35.220,0:33:39.299
I like to hunt kind of snow kind of
0:33:37.140,0:33:41.220
melts it's like you know it's probably
0:33:39.299,0:33:43.740
as much as that's when I have the time
0:33:41.220,0:33:45.899
to get out as anything right and you
0:33:43.740,0:33:48.120
know I I hear guys talking all the time
0:33:45.899,0:33:49.799
you know well I'm I'm you know when the
0:33:48.120,0:33:52.140
barometric pressure's got to be right
0:33:49.799,0:33:53.760
and the moon's got to be right and all
0:33:52.140,0:33:56.519
this kind of stuff well all that plays
0:33:53.760,0:33:58.500
into it I'll give them that but my
0:33:56.519,0:34:00.299
number one favorite time to go hunting
0:33:58.500,0:34:02.460
coyotes is when I have time that's
0:34:00.299,0:34:04.980
exactly and so that kind of determines
0:34:02.460,0:34:07.799
when I go whether it's full moon or not
0:34:04.980,0:34:09.899
man I get that question a lot bye bye
0:34:07.799,0:34:11.940
guys I think especially from guys that
0:34:09.899,0:34:13.139
come from the Whitetail world uh you
0:34:11.940,0:34:16.619
know they pay attention to that stuff
0:34:13.139,0:34:18.839
moon phases and and barometric pressures
0:34:16.619,0:34:20.639
and all this crazy stuff and and like
0:34:18.839,0:34:22.500
you said I know it's got to have
0:34:20.639,0:34:24.000
something to do with it but I'm not been
0:34:22.500,0:34:25.500
one that's been good about keeping
0:34:24.000,0:34:27.060
record for that type of stuff and I
0:34:25.500,0:34:29.520
always tell them hey man if you can get
0:34:27.060,0:34:32.899
the win right and you got the time go
0:34:29.520,0:34:35.760
pour it on them you'll call them up
0:34:32.899,0:34:38.460
well yeah you will and if you know and
0:34:35.760,0:34:40.679
even
0:34:38.460,0:34:43.320
I used to think all the time that if if
0:34:40.679,0:34:45.240
I went out and uh you know didn't call
0:34:43.320,0:34:47.159
didn't I was sitting over a great
0:34:45.240,0:34:48.240
looking Valley or a nice looking Sage
0:34:47.159,0:34:50.580
flat
0:34:48.240,0:34:52.980
and I didn't call something in you know
0:34:50.580,0:34:55.320
I was obviously doing something wrong
0:34:52.980,0:34:57.000
right and uh first time you could have
0:34:55.320,0:34:58.560
done different something I could have
0:34:57.000,0:34:59.760
done different well I still think
0:34:58.560,0:35:00.960
there's probably always something I
0:34:59.760,0:35:03.720
could have done different or maybe a
0:35:00.960,0:35:05.280
little better but sometimes they don't
0:35:03.720,0:35:06.900
they just don't want to play and
0:35:05.280,0:35:09.359
sometimes they ain't there you know what
0:35:06.900,0:35:11.640
I mean well that's that's that was going
0:35:09.359,0:35:13.260
to be my next thing I guys asked me all
0:35:11.640,0:35:14.040
the time and uh you know that's a whole
0:35:13.260,0:35:15.900
nother
0:35:14.040,0:35:17.700
that's a whole nother rabbit hole we
0:35:15.900,0:35:19.740
could go down as you know guys say well
0:35:17.700,0:35:22.680
you know how do you how do you know
0:35:19.740,0:35:25.140
where to go well I spend a lot of time
0:35:22.680,0:35:27.060
scouting a lot of time scouting I
0:35:25.140,0:35:29.280
probably I take more scouting trips than
0:35:27.060,0:35:32.160
I do hunting trips and uh
0:35:29.280,0:35:33.839
so you know if you gotta you gotta be
0:35:32.160,0:35:35.700
calling to coyotes I tell guys all the
0:35:33.839,0:35:38.280
time are you sure they're there well
0:35:35.700,0:35:39.720
yeah two years ago when I was right deer
0:35:38.280,0:35:42.420
hunting I seen one run across the road
0:35:39.720,0:35:44.160
right there now well hard hard to call
0:35:42.420,0:35:46.200
up a coyote where there is no coyotes
0:35:44.160,0:35:48.480
yep if you're calling the empty country
0:35:46.200,0:35:51.060
you're going to have some dry stands so
0:35:48.480,0:35:53.160
all right so you think it's uh
0:35:51.060,0:35:54.720
what what do you think is some of the
0:35:53.160,0:35:56.339
one of the biggest mistakes that you see
0:35:54.720,0:35:58.140
coyote Hunters make especially new
0:35:56.339,0:35:59.420
coyote Hunters make would you say it the
0:35:58.140,0:36:02.760
scouting
0:35:59.420,0:36:04.859
well yeah I
0:36:02.760,0:36:07.440
I'd say that's one of the
0:36:04.859,0:36:09.480
one of the aspects that guys could spend
0:36:07.440,0:36:12.060
a lot more time doing it and I
0:36:09.480,0:36:14.400
understand times times precious and hard
0:36:12.060,0:36:16.619
to come by it's something I really enjoy
0:36:14.400,0:36:18.720
doing right you know going out and
0:36:16.619,0:36:21.599
finding coyotes and and learning where
0:36:18.720,0:36:24.960
they're at and I've even kind of decided
0:36:21.599,0:36:28.140
that uh I can tell when they answer me
0:36:24.960,0:36:30.780
if they're giving me a big old long you
0:36:28.140,0:36:33.960
know chippy sounding
0:36:30.780,0:36:36.240
really aggressive sound and how they're
0:36:33.960,0:36:38.160
probably going to want to play if I go
0:36:36.240,0:36:40.320
out and play the siren and you know and
0:36:38.160,0:36:42.720
the coyote locator and all I get is one
0:36:40.320,0:36:44.160
or two booger barks yeah they're kind of
0:36:42.720,0:36:47.660
telling me I know what you are cowboy
0:36:44.160,0:36:50.160
and I ain't interested you know and and
0:36:47.660,0:36:52.320
you know I'm still gonna probably go try
0:36:50.160,0:36:55.200
them but they're probably gonna push me
0:36:52.320,0:36:56.880
right yeah I know there's one there and
0:36:55.200,0:36:59.280
I'm gonna go try them but you know I had
0:36:56.880,0:37:01.619
one the other night that uh
0:36:59.280,0:37:04.920
you know I went out and and uh played
0:37:01.619,0:37:07.079
the siren usually started locators with
0:37:04.920,0:37:09.119
the siren and uh didn't get enough and
0:37:07.079,0:37:10.500
played a you know played a group pile
0:37:09.119,0:37:12.300
and the locator
0:37:10.500,0:37:14.400
group and uh
0:37:12.300,0:37:16.260
I got a couple booger barks down in the
0:37:14.400,0:37:18.180
brush not that far away and I snuck down
0:37:16.260,0:37:20.520
there with my Fireball I never seen
0:37:18.180,0:37:22.980
hiding her hair that thing really and it
0:37:20.520,0:37:24.540
it would know he was and he was in a
0:37:22.980,0:37:26.640
spot where I know he probably gets
0:37:24.540,0:37:28.500
messed with a lot but then they go
0:37:26.640,0:37:30.599
around the hill and
0:37:28.500,0:37:33.540
hit the siren again and down below me
0:37:30.599,0:37:36.720
you know I just get this big old blow up
0:37:33.540,0:37:39.599
a pair going crazy down there and they
0:37:36.720,0:37:42.000
just sounded a lot more excited and you
0:37:39.599,0:37:45.180
know three minutes into that stand and
0:37:42.000,0:37:47.520
one of them bit the dirt so what it's
0:37:45.180,0:37:49.079
what what sounds do you like to locate
0:37:47.520,0:37:50.880
with John what's your like if you're
0:37:49.079,0:37:52.920
gonna go out tonight try to locate some
0:37:50.880,0:37:55.380
coyotes get a get a beat on them to
0:37:52.920,0:37:58.020
either go later on that evening after or
0:37:55.380,0:37:59.700
or a couple days down the road what what
0:37:58.020,0:38:01.560
what sounds you like to play try to
0:37:59.700,0:38:03.359
locate these coyotes well I've kind of
0:38:01.560,0:38:04.980
you know I've kind of changed my mind on
0:38:03.359,0:38:07.200
this I've thought a lot about this and
0:38:04.980,0:38:10.380
I've talked to a lot of guys you know
0:38:07.200,0:38:11.940
about this there's an old uh Trapper Old
0:38:10.380,0:38:14.820
Government Trapper where I grew up that
0:38:11.940,0:38:16.859
used to uh work on the
0:38:14.820,0:38:19.680
on the mountain and try to keep the
0:38:16.859,0:38:21.300
problem Coyotes out of the sheep Carlson
0:38:19.680,0:38:23.339
was his name and he was just one of the
0:38:21.300,0:38:26.160
coolest guys ever he had awesome dogs
0:38:23.339,0:38:27.599
and he just kind of walked with a limp
0:38:26.160,0:38:31.500
and he's just the funniest guy in the
0:38:27.599,0:38:33.720
world to talk to and uh he had an old
0:38:31.500,0:38:37.440
siren with a hand crank on it like an
0:38:33.720,0:38:41.400
old fire sirens yeah yeah you know well
0:38:37.440,0:38:43.020
now we got that on the Foxpro and he
0:38:41.400,0:38:44.820
told me he says in coyote so howl at
0:38:43.020,0:38:46.680
that just like you know just like when
0:38:44.820,0:38:48.240
the ambulance goes down the road in your
0:38:46.680,0:38:49.500
house dog house and I always thought he
0:38:48.240,0:38:52.260
was crazy well
0:38:49.500,0:38:55.140
uh you know now you go out with the fox
0:38:52.260,0:38:58.619
Pro and I'll just fire up that siren
0:38:55.140,0:39:00.660
and a lot of times as soon as you turn
0:38:58.619,0:39:04.020
it off they're talking back to you yeah
0:39:00.660,0:39:07.200
so I really like to use that siren I
0:39:04.020,0:39:09.540
used to start out with house first yeah
0:39:07.200,0:39:11.520
and I'd find fairly often
0:39:09.540,0:39:14.160
you know they're not just answering you
0:39:11.520,0:39:15.599
they're coming in yeah you know I've had
0:39:14.160,0:39:17.280
them run up to the truck I've had them
0:39:15.599,0:39:19.200
run across the road I've had them run up
0:39:17.280,0:39:19.980
on the hill bark at me and I kind of
0:39:19.200,0:39:23.160
thought well that's kind of
0:39:19.980,0:39:24.960
counterproductive yeah so I try I try to
0:39:23.160,0:39:27.599
kind of steer away from when I'm
0:39:24.960,0:39:28.560
locating I kind of steer away from Lone
0:39:27.599,0:39:30.240
house
0:39:28.560,0:39:32.160
because I think that has a tendency to
0:39:30.240,0:39:34.440
call them in as much as anything but I
0:39:32.160,0:39:35.820
usually start with the siren play the
0:39:34.440,0:39:39.420
siren for
0:39:35.820,0:39:41.099
oh 25 30 seconds shut it off listen give
0:39:39.420,0:39:43.800
them a couple minutes and then I'll play
0:39:41.099,0:39:45.480
like I think the coyote locator sound
0:39:43.800,0:39:48.119
and that's what it's called on my call
0:39:45.480,0:39:51.119
on the Fox Bros coyote locator yep it's
0:39:48.119,0:39:53.220
a great big group Hal yeah big group Hal
0:39:51.119,0:39:55.920
it's not aggressive it's not really
0:39:53.220,0:39:57.480
threatening you know at least doesn't
0:39:55.920,0:40:00.180
sound to me like it and it just kind of
0:39:57.480,0:40:01.920
gets them going and uh play that a
0:40:00.180,0:40:04.020
couple times sometimes I'll play the
0:40:01.920,0:40:07.140
pair of your pals
0:40:04.020,0:40:09.359
and uh you know and then I'll sit there
0:40:07.140,0:40:12.180
and as crazy as it sounds you know a lot
0:40:09.359,0:40:13.680
of times I'm sure you've had this too A
0:40:12.180,0:40:15.599
lot of times you shut the call off and
0:40:13.680,0:40:17.579
they're talking to you you know and
0:40:15.599,0:40:19.200
they're right there but I'll sit there
0:40:17.579,0:40:20.760
for 10 minutes and this surprise you how
0:40:19.200,0:40:23.040
many times you know you haven't made a
0:40:20.760,0:40:25.020
sound for five or six minutes and
0:40:23.040,0:40:28.380
they're they're they'll start answering
0:40:25.020,0:40:30.420
they'll start talking back yep so and
0:40:28.380,0:40:33.540
you know what as fun as it is to watch
0:40:30.420,0:40:36.060
it watch a coyote come charging into the
0:40:33.540,0:40:37.560
call it's a lot of fun to go out and
0:40:36.060,0:40:39.240
think I think there's coyotes in this
0:40:37.560,0:40:41.400
country I've seen tracks in the road
0:40:39.240,0:40:43.200
I've seen scat in the road I'm gonna see
0:40:41.400,0:40:44.700
where they're hanging out at night
0:40:43.200,0:40:45.839
and you go out there and you get them
0:40:44.700,0:40:48.180
talking to you and you get them
0:40:45.839,0:40:49.260
answering and you start formulating a
0:40:48.180,0:40:51.240
game plan
0:40:49.260,0:40:53.160
you know if you're if you're night
0:40:51.240,0:40:54.720
hunting if you're thermal hunting you
0:40:53.160,0:40:55.859
know I'm immediately thinking well I'm
0:40:54.720,0:40:56.700
gonna walk over there to the edge of
0:40:55.859,0:40:58.619
that
0:40:56.700,0:41:01.920
that healer I'm gonna make a setup or
0:40:58.619,0:41:03.780
right you know if you're day Hunter
0:41:01.920,0:41:05.099
uh you know you're thinking well I can
0:41:03.780,0:41:06.720
come in here tomorrow morning when the
0:41:05.099,0:41:08.640
wind is probably going to be coming this
0:41:06.720,0:41:09.900
direction I can sneak down there on the
0:41:08.640,0:41:12.480
edge of that field
0:41:09.900,0:41:15.960
and uh you know it's going to be game on
0:41:12.480,0:41:18.839
and you'll learn a lot I think by going
0:41:15.960,0:41:20.940
out and locating and talking to those
0:41:18.839,0:41:22.740
coyotes and
0:41:20.940,0:41:24.780
sometimes you find them where you'd
0:41:22.740,0:41:27.240
never expect it and sometimes you look
0:41:24.780,0:41:28.740
at some really pretty country
0:41:27.240,0:41:31.440
and
0:41:28.740,0:41:33.359
they just they don't seem to be there
0:41:31.440,0:41:34.800
there's a place up on the hill above
0:41:33.359,0:41:36.780
town or
0:41:34.800,0:41:40.140
I go up the road and you know I know
0:41:36.780,0:41:43.020
several spots where
0:41:40.140,0:41:44.940
every year I can go in and and you know
0:41:43.020,0:41:45.900
call up a pair have they've had pretty
0:41:44.940,0:41:48.119
good luck
0:41:45.900,0:41:50.640
and then drive around the hill a few
0:41:48.119,0:41:52.260
miles and there's a probably a five mile
0:41:50.640,0:41:54.180
stretch it looks like the same country
0:41:52.260,0:41:56.220
but for years now I've never been able
0:41:54.180,0:41:57.599
to get a coyote to say a word there and
0:41:56.220,0:41:59.820
I don't know why okay but you keep
0:41:57.599,0:42:01.200
trying it don't you I keep trying it but
0:41:59.820,0:42:03.060
they're never there you know and I'll go
0:42:01.200,0:42:04.320
walk the roads and that once a while
0:42:03.060,0:42:05.640
you'll see a track or something where
0:42:04.320,0:42:07.260
one's gone through but it seems like
0:42:05.640,0:42:08.940
there's just places where they just like
0:42:07.260,0:42:11.099
to hang out in some places they don't
0:42:08.940,0:42:13.260
right I guess only they would know why
0:42:11.099,0:42:15.540
because I can't figure it out but
0:42:13.260,0:42:17.760
when you go out and you you know spend
0:42:15.540,0:42:19.079
some time with the howler and the that
0:42:17.760,0:42:21.359
siren
0:42:19.079,0:42:23.640
uh you know you learn a lot about them
0:42:21.359,0:42:26.099
and you learn where they hang you learn
0:42:23.640,0:42:28.380
you learn you know where they're at and
0:42:26.099,0:42:30.060
and uh kind of help formulate a game
0:42:28.380,0:42:31.800
plan before you walk in so you're not
0:42:30.060,0:42:34.140
just calling blind
0:42:31.800,0:42:36.060
you know so like you say I think a lot
0:42:34.140,0:42:38.700
of new coyote Hunters
0:42:36.060,0:42:40.380
it's frustrating but I think you know I
0:42:38.700,0:42:41.820
know that was the case for me for years
0:42:40.380,0:42:43.920
and years I'm calling to empty country
0:42:41.820,0:42:45.720
right and you know that's uh that's
0:42:43.920,0:42:47.820
something cool like I said you learn you
0:42:45.720,0:42:49.800
learn a lot doing that type of stuff and
0:42:47.820,0:42:51.359
like these places that you find coyotes
0:42:49.800,0:42:53.160
and you go in there and and you get
0:42:51.359,0:42:56.280
those coyotes killed
0:42:53.160,0:42:58.440
um you've a lot of times I've found in
0:42:56.280,0:43:01.560
the over the years that a lot of times
0:42:58.440,0:43:03.359
if if if a coyote likes a particular
0:43:01.560,0:43:05.339
area you can kill the Coyotes out of it
0:43:03.359,0:43:07.680
and these Transit coyotes come running
0:43:05.339,0:43:08.880
through they end up gagging up in those
0:43:07.680,0:43:10.260
areas too you know there's something
0:43:08.880,0:43:12.000
there that holds them I don't know what
0:43:10.260,0:43:15.060
it is and just like Houston there's
0:43:12.000,0:43:16.980
areas that you never find coyotes in uh
0:43:15.060,0:43:18.359
why is that I don't know evidently
0:43:16.980,0:43:20.160
there's something there that they do not
0:43:18.359,0:43:22.800
like but these areas that you can go in
0:43:20.160,0:43:24.540
and uh you can kill coyotes in out of
0:43:22.800,0:43:26.099
them a couple times a year year in and
0:43:24.540,0:43:29.700
year out
0:43:26.099,0:43:31.920
yeah it's it's you know uh
0:43:29.700,0:43:34.560
I'm not as smart as a coyote I don't
0:43:31.920,0:43:36.540
have any any idea why some sometimes
0:43:34.560,0:43:39.359
they'll like one draw and then the next
0:43:36.540,0:43:41.400
draw over you know it looks just as good
0:43:39.359,0:43:44.220
and I can never get them there I can
0:43:41.400,0:43:46.560
never find him there so
0:43:44.220,0:43:48.359
you talk about uh you know hunting some
0:43:46.560,0:43:49.740
of his higher country some and I'm gonna
0:43:48.359,0:43:52.200
change gears on you a little bit because
0:43:49.740,0:43:54.540
it's something I've always wondered uh
0:43:52.200,0:43:57.359
you know some of this higher country in
0:43:54.540,0:43:59.579
the spring late spring summer and early
0:43:57.359,0:44:01.859
fall months you ever you ever call up
0:43:59.579,0:44:02.700
any bears or or lines or anything like
0:44:01.859,0:44:07.020
that
0:44:02.700,0:44:08.460
I've called up a couple uh a couple
0:44:07.020,0:44:10.319
mountain lions
0:44:08.460,0:44:11.520
I've never called up a bear that I know
0:44:10.319,0:44:15.180
of
0:44:11.520,0:44:18.060
uh I've done some colony and grizzly
0:44:15.180,0:44:20.640
country in Montana and you're always
0:44:18.060,0:44:25.140
just a little bit
0:44:20.640,0:44:26.280
more aware yeah you know because you
0:44:25.140,0:44:28.740
know it
0:44:26.280,0:44:30.839
do I plan on calling one in no but
0:44:28.740,0:44:32.880
nobody else gets crunched by a Grizzly
0:44:30.839,0:44:34.319
probably plans on it either you know so
0:44:32.880,0:44:35.880
I have a tendency to look behind me
0:44:34.319,0:44:39.180
probably a little more often in that
0:44:35.880,0:44:41.160
country but uh we were uh me and Jan
0:44:39.180,0:44:42.900
were hunting in Montana last year he was
0:44:41.160,0:44:44.339
actually thermal hunting right too far
0:44:42.900,0:44:48.119
from her house yeah
0:44:44.339,0:44:50.339
we had some coyotes talking up on the
0:44:48.119,0:44:52.380
hill and I had a
0:44:50.339,0:44:53.940
thermal scanner and I said and she was
0:44:52.380,0:44:55.619
on the gun I said I'll walk you up the
0:44:53.940,0:44:56.880
hill and you kind of watch down the draw
0:44:55.619,0:44:58.260
there and she says like see something
0:44:56.880,0:45:00.240
coming down
0:44:58.260,0:45:02.880
down through the field
0:45:00.240,0:45:05.460
I looked at it and I you know I just
0:45:02.880,0:45:07.260
assumed it's a coyote and I says well
0:45:05.460,0:45:08.760
you know it's just moving slow but it's
0:45:07.260,0:45:11.040
coming and when it steps out of the
0:45:08.760,0:45:12.660
brush there just dump it
0:45:11.040,0:45:13.920
I kept waiting for it to shoot and
0:45:12.660,0:45:15.660
waiting for it shooting I'd look back
0:45:13.920,0:45:17.280
over and it's still coming but it's slow
0:45:15.660,0:45:18.900
you know and with a thermal you can see
0:45:17.280,0:45:22.200
it kind of glowing through the brush
0:45:18.900,0:45:24.180
right and uh assuming it's a coyote
0:45:22.200,0:45:26.460
something short
0:45:24.180,0:45:27.900
and she says all right it's almost here
0:45:26.460,0:45:29.819
you know and I'm still watching for the
0:45:27.900,0:45:31.680
ones to come over the hill
0:45:29.819,0:45:33.000
they kind of shut up and went away I
0:45:31.680,0:45:34.619
guess they didn't want to play and I'm
0:45:33.000,0:45:36.960
so I turned back over where she's
0:45:34.619,0:45:38.220
looking and I I just want to steps out
0:45:36.960,0:45:40.500
dump it
0:45:38.220,0:45:42.859
she says that's not a coyote
0:45:40.500,0:45:46.260
that's what do you mean today to Coyote
0:45:42.859,0:45:48.660
and uh sure enough big old lion stepped
0:45:46.260,0:45:50.520
right out all right about 70 yards
0:45:48.660,0:45:54.540
what'd it come into what have you called
0:45:50.520,0:45:56.839
lines into it came in that one came in I
0:45:54.540,0:46:00.180
believe to Mrs McConnell yeah yeah
0:45:56.839,0:46:01.980
that's how I'm calling it yeah you know
0:46:00.180,0:46:03.960
and it was uh I believe it was right
0:46:01.980,0:46:06.300
around Christmas it was cold snowy
0:46:03.960,0:46:10.260
wintery you know Montana weather yeah
0:46:06.300,0:46:11.640
and uh you know when those those coyotes
0:46:10.260,0:46:15.240
you know when you and that's another
0:46:11.640,0:46:17.819
thing about locating is you know kind of
0:46:15.240,0:46:19.920
if they're real close to you you know I
0:46:17.819,0:46:21.180
kind of like to go in and set up and if
0:46:19.920,0:46:24.119
they're real close I don't want to
0:46:21.180,0:46:26.160
lambast them with you know big loud
0:46:24.119,0:46:27.420
something that might spook them right
0:46:26.160,0:46:29.040
off the bat if they're close I'm gonna
0:46:27.420,0:46:30.780
hit him with something easy and soft and
0:46:29.040,0:46:32.579
see if I can't just coax them up you
0:46:30.780,0:46:34.440
know right and I think that and those
0:46:32.579,0:46:36.480
coyotes that we heard right there were
0:46:34.440,0:46:38.339
pretty close and so I just turned on
0:46:36.480,0:46:40.619
that missing my Cottontail and I you
0:46:38.339,0:46:41.880
know I wasn't playing it too loud and it
0:46:40.619,0:46:43.440
didn't take very long that line it
0:46:41.880,0:46:45.420
wasn't in a hurry to come in it took a
0:46:43.440,0:46:47.280
little while for it to right to walk
0:46:45.420,0:46:50.400
across that field but you know I could
0:46:47.280,0:46:51.839
see it right off the bat and uh yep and
0:46:50.400,0:46:53.400
some Cottontail called that big old line
0:46:51.839,0:46:54.720
we walked over and looked at its tracks
0:46:53.400,0:46:56.940
in the snow and
0:46:54.720,0:46:59.220
and uh it was a pretty good Lions so
0:46:56.940,0:47:01.500
pretty cool pretty cool camera for sure
0:46:59.220,0:47:03.319
for sure oh yeah you never know what you
0:47:01.500,0:47:06.660
can call in you know we've called in
0:47:03.319,0:47:10.520
Badgers and all kind you know you call
0:47:06.660,0:47:13.800
in all kinds of birds and crafters and
0:47:10.520,0:47:16.920
foxes and I mean in this country up in
0:47:13.800,0:47:19.440
Wyoming Idaho Montana you know but
0:47:16.920,0:47:21.660
eventually everybody calls in a wolf at
0:47:19.440,0:47:23.280
some point and right it's it's pretty
0:47:21.660,0:47:25.560
exciting you know
0:47:23.280,0:47:27.060
we're starting to starting to wind down
0:47:25.560,0:47:28.500
here we've been on here quite a quite a
0:47:27.060,0:47:30.000
while let me I got a few questions I
0:47:28.500,0:47:31.740
want to ask you or just some quick quick
0:47:30.000,0:47:33.560
hit stuff what what's your favorite unit
0:47:31.740,0:47:35.700
what units you running now
0:47:33.560,0:47:40.079
uh for the last couple years I've been
0:47:35.700,0:47:42.780
running the x2s x2s I really like it
0:47:40.079,0:47:45.180
it's yeah it's been a super good call I
0:47:42.780,0:47:48.900
still find myself once in a while uh
0:47:45.180,0:47:50.460
taking out the LCS 24 just for old-time
0:47:48.900,0:47:52.980
sakes
0:47:50.460,0:47:55.859
one of the greats in my opinion probably
0:47:52.980,0:48:00.960
the my favorite design of any call but
0:47:55.859,0:48:03.420
yeah the x2s yeah x2s uh you take it uh
0:48:00.960,0:48:07.099
you take advantage of fox fusion and
0:48:03.420,0:48:07.099
stuff on x2s do you do that yeah
0:48:07.680,0:48:11.819
yeah especially in the summer y'all I
0:48:09.780,0:48:14.099
was listening to you and uh
0:48:11.819,0:48:16.079
Tori Cook's podcast the other day what a
0:48:14.099,0:48:17.700
great oh man wealth of knowledge that
0:48:16.079,0:48:19.920
guy is holy cow you want to talk about
0:48:17.700,0:48:21.300
coyote vocals and locating and that I
0:48:19.920,0:48:23.819
feel like a complete rookie after
0:48:21.300,0:48:25.380
listening to him but you know he he
0:48:23.819,0:48:28.260
knows what's going on there but you know
0:48:25.380,0:48:29.579
you all these new coyote vocals and pup
0:48:28.260,0:48:32.339
sounds and stuff that you come out with
0:48:29.579,0:48:34.980
now you get that uh that fox fusion and
0:48:32.339,0:48:37.500
you know I can string together and Lace
0:48:34.980,0:48:41.339
together you know a uh female challenge
0:48:37.500,0:48:45.180
bark with a pup distress and some uh you
0:48:41.339,0:48:48.060
know some uh some of those crazy Den
0:48:45.180,0:48:49.859
fight sounds that he that uh Tori is
0:48:48.060,0:48:52.619
recording nowadays and man you can put
0:48:49.859,0:48:54.900
together quite a scenario that even a
0:48:52.619,0:48:56.640
Leary coyote is eventually gonna have to
0:48:54.900,0:48:59.940
come take a look at it that's it right
0:48:56.640,0:49:02.460
there I think Fox Fusion is is often uh
0:48:59.940,0:49:04.680
an overlooked feature I actually saw
0:49:02.460,0:49:07.500
somebody on Facebook the other day they
0:49:04.680,0:49:09.300
was comparing the x24 and x2s and a guy
0:49:07.500,0:49:11.040
which both are excellent units you
0:49:09.300,0:49:14.760
cannot go wrong with either one of them
0:49:11.040,0:49:16.619
uh but I saw a guy say you know that x2s
0:49:14.760,0:49:18.240
has Fox Fusion where you play two sounds
0:49:16.619,0:49:20.220
at once but he said that's not needed
0:49:18.240,0:49:22.680
you nobody ever needs to play two sounds
0:49:20.220,0:49:23.940
at once and I said I never did respond
0:49:22.680,0:49:26.579
but I sit there thinking man you're
0:49:23.940,0:49:29.819
missing out I mean I know the guy is a
0:49:26.579,0:49:31.859
good coyote Hunter and and but Fox
0:49:29.819,0:49:33.420
Fusion definitely has its place you know
0:49:31.859,0:49:35.760
I've mixed two sounds together before
0:49:33.420,0:49:38.220
and and you can break these hung up
0:49:35.760,0:49:39.660
coyotes uh with with some crazy stuff
0:49:38.220,0:49:41.220
you know like one of the things you used
0:49:39.660,0:49:43.260
to do all the time was play raccoon
0:49:41.220,0:49:45.119
fight and pup screams that to say same
0:49:43.260,0:49:47.700
time I don't know
0:49:45.119,0:49:49.260
if coyotes think it's a raccoon and a
0:49:47.700,0:49:50.700
coyote fighting or if they think it
0:49:49.260,0:49:52.319
sounds you know to me it sounds like
0:49:50.700,0:49:53.520
another coyote fight I don't know if
0:49:52.319,0:49:55.380
they think it sounds like coyotes
0:49:53.520,0:49:57.180
fighting or what but that just like you
0:49:55.380,0:49:58.440
said you can mix two sounds together and
0:49:57.180,0:50:00.359
you're throwing something out there that
0:49:58.440,0:50:02.880
more than likely coyotes have not heard
0:50:00.359,0:50:05.700
and it's a good thing to use in pressure
0:50:02.880,0:50:09.540
country in my opinion yeah absolutely
0:50:05.700,0:50:11.040
man yeah I I love to play like a female
0:50:09.540,0:50:14.640
challenge
0:50:11.040,0:50:17.160
and you know any of the pups at the same
0:50:14.640,0:50:20.940
time and I mean I have had some
0:50:17.160,0:50:23.460
incredibly violent responses when and
0:50:20.940,0:50:24.900
and you know in the summer sometimes
0:50:23.460,0:50:26.460
you know they'll sit up there they'll
0:50:24.900,0:50:27.780
bark at you they'll howl at you they
0:50:26.460,0:50:29.339
don't like you in their territory and
0:50:27.780,0:50:30.960
you just keep you know Tori mentioned
0:50:29.339,0:50:33.900
the other day about switching up sounds
0:50:30.960,0:50:36.660
yep until you get a response you do that
0:50:33.900,0:50:38.119
with you mix in some you know some
0:50:36.660,0:50:40.859
aggressive female
0:50:38.119,0:50:42.300
sounds that Mama coyote barking at
0:50:40.859,0:50:44.040
whatever's down there harassing their
0:50:42.300,0:50:45.300
pups and you get all those different pup
0:50:44.040,0:50:47.460
sounds going
0:50:45.300,0:50:50.460
and it might take a while but you can
0:50:47.460,0:50:53.040
break loose a stubborn coyote so I've
0:50:50.460,0:50:55.200
sat there and done that for you know 30
0:50:53.040,0:50:58.619
40 minutes and then next thing you know
0:50:55.200,0:51:01.380
across the flat here comes a coyote as
0:50:58.619,0:51:02.700
tight as they can go and you know you
0:51:01.380,0:51:04.859
want to talk about get your old blood
0:51:02.700,0:51:05.640
boiling and get your your heart pumping
0:51:04.859,0:51:08.280
man
0:51:05.640,0:51:10.680
and so yeah I think that that uh Fox
0:51:08.280,0:51:12.839
Fusion if you haven't tried it
0:51:10.680,0:51:14.819
it's not hard to operate put it into
0:51:12.839,0:51:17.280
play put it in the put it put it in
0:51:14.819,0:51:19.740
there and and try it out you know John
0:51:17.280,0:51:21.359
was talking about a couple sounds he
0:51:19.740,0:51:23.940
likes to mix there I told you about the
0:51:21.359,0:51:26.700
[ __ ] raccoon fight and pup screen I'm
0:51:23.940,0:51:28.140
gonna tell you one more is female
0:51:26.700,0:51:31.440
submissive
0:51:28.140,0:51:34.140
foxpro's female submissive and mix in
0:51:31.440,0:51:36.359
pup distress number three and fluctuate
0:51:34.140,0:51:39.180
that pup three up and down it almost
0:51:36.359,0:51:41.280
sounds like a social it sounds like two
0:51:39.180,0:51:42.300
coyotes come together and they was
0:51:41.280,0:51:43.680
chipping away at each other a little bit
0:51:42.300,0:51:46.980
and also it kind of turned into a fight
0:51:43.680,0:51:49.380
try that somewhere on a late stand try
0:51:46.980,0:51:51.599
to break something it works well you
0:51:49.380,0:51:54.500
just you just give away my my two
0:51:51.599,0:51:57.720
favorite sounds of all time so I
0:51:54.500,0:52:00.420
all year long all year long it doesn't
0:51:57.720,0:52:03.599
matter where I'm at I I always
0:52:00.420,0:52:06.480
I bet 90 of the time start to stand with
0:52:03.599,0:52:07.920
female submissives because it's kind of
0:52:06.480,0:52:10.559
a you know it's a sound that coyotes
0:52:07.920,0:52:12.059
will make when they get together uh you
0:52:10.559,0:52:13.859
know just hanging around the dance you
0:52:12.059,0:52:15.660
know whatever I've heard them make it on
0:52:13.859,0:52:18.300
the on the mountain before
0:52:15.660,0:52:19.920
not a lot but a couple times and and I
0:52:18.300,0:52:22.020
think it's a real common sound it's not
0:52:19.920,0:52:24.900
threatening really it's kind of a
0:52:22.020,0:52:27.300
playback yeah just kind of a social and
0:52:24.900,0:52:28.020
it gets their attention without spooking
0:52:27.300,0:52:32.579
them
0:52:28.020,0:52:34.859
and uh you know it's I've had coyotes
0:52:32.579,0:52:37.020
show up on the dead run after you know
0:52:34.859,0:52:39.540
playing that for 30 seconds but that is
0:52:37.020,0:52:41.940
that is a sound everybody should be
0:52:39.540,0:52:43.380
utilizing that's another one I'm tidbits
0:52:41.940,0:52:44.940
information people come to these
0:52:43.380,0:52:47.579
podcasts to your head right there it is
0:52:44.940,0:52:49.440
and you don't hear that sound being
0:52:47.579,0:52:51.480
talked about a lot but that is being
0:52:49.440,0:52:53.220
such a good sound over the years and and
0:52:51.480,0:52:55.500
usually how I play it this is another
0:52:53.220,0:52:57.660
little secret thing is I'll let that
0:52:55.500,0:52:59.400
first part of that sequence go through
0:52:57.660,0:53:01.920
you know it dies off and then it starts
0:52:59.400,0:53:04.020
up into a whole new set of Yips and all
0:53:01.920,0:53:05.520
that type of stuff on that second set of
0:53:04.020,0:53:07.579
Yips and stuff starts up that's when I
0:53:05.520,0:53:10.260
mix in that pup three
0:53:07.579,0:53:13.020
well and and uh
0:53:10.260,0:53:15.300
yeah you what else can you say about pup
0:53:13.020,0:53:17.400
three you know it's lit it's legendary
0:53:15.300,0:53:19.800
it is and since we're on that what
0:53:17.400,0:53:21.300
what's your top three favorite sounds I
0:53:19.800,0:53:23.700
ask a lot of a lot of these guys this
0:53:21.300,0:53:25.920
and and I think it uh I think it really
0:53:23.700,0:53:28.559
helped a lot of hunters out uh to see
0:53:25.920,0:53:30.660
see these choices that uh some of these
0:53:28.559,0:53:32.880
what I consider you know great Predator
0:53:30.660,0:53:37.740
Hunters though out there
0:53:32.880,0:53:40.740
I would say my my top three sounds
0:53:37.740,0:53:45.359
well for years except year round hun for
0:53:40.740,0:53:47.180
year round I'm saying pup three
0:53:45.359,0:53:49.980
is number one
0:53:47.180,0:53:52.200
I'm saying probably
0:53:49.980,0:53:54.480
for year round if I was going to go out
0:53:52.200,0:53:56.579
and I would probably want Mrs MC
0:53:54.480,0:53:58.800
Cottontail on my call another great one
0:53:56.579,0:54:01.740
which is a newer sound but awesome Yep
0:53:58.800,0:54:04.680
newer sound and uh
0:54:01.740,0:54:07.619
you know a sound that I
0:54:04.680,0:54:11.940
play a ton all year long and that I love
0:54:07.619,0:54:13.559
is the old school canine pup tattoos oh
0:54:11.940,0:54:16.319
man yeah that's another one of them
0:54:13.559,0:54:18.180
Secrets there really that's a great you
0:54:16.319,0:54:19.800
know it's just yeah I mean then Puffs
0:54:18.180,0:54:21.420
can't when I don't know who recorded
0:54:19.800,0:54:24.440
that or where it came from but then pups
0:54:21.420,0:54:28.380
can't be more than a day old and I mean
0:54:24.440,0:54:30.000
it's just a just a sound that uh you
0:54:28.380,0:54:31.559
know in the summer it obviously pup
0:54:30.000,0:54:33.240
sounds work great and even in the winter
0:54:31.559,0:54:34.680
in that they got to think what in the
0:54:33.240,0:54:37.140
world there's there's a bunch of
0:54:34.680,0:54:38.520
something in a hole there that uh
0:54:37.140,0:54:40.440
I don't know if they're curious or
0:54:38.520,0:54:42.059
they're gonna eat it or what but I've
0:54:40.440,0:54:45.420
had real good luck with that sound oh
0:54:42.059,0:54:48.359
yeah you're taking a a pup distress a
0:54:45.420,0:54:50.099
rabbit sound and then a tiny pup so even
0:54:48.359,0:54:51.900
though it's kind of canine puppies it's
0:54:50.099,0:54:55.200
still it's puppies
0:54:51.900,0:54:56.540
yep yep that's uh that's one of that's
0:54:55.200,0:54:59.940
JF
0:54:56.540,0:55:02.119
saying this on on the Airways but the
0:54:59.940,0:55:05.520
legendary Jeff Ryder that's one of his
0:55:02.119,0:55:06.740
go-to sounds is canine you know I'm
0:55:05.520,0:55:10.260
gonna I'm gonna
0:55:06.740,0:55:12.240
Jeff Jeff's Jeff's an incredible cow
0:55:10.260,0:55:14.280
hunter and uh
0:55:12.240,0:55:16.440
you know there's a couple sounds like
0:55:14.280,0:55:18.059
that that several years ago you know
0:55:16.440,0:55:20.160
Jeff told me he says you really need to
0:55:18.059,0:55:22.800
you really need to try these sounds and
0:55:20.160,0:55:25.619
you know I I've
0:55:22.800,0:55:27.059
it's it's become one of my favorites so
0:55:25.619,0:55:29.400
yeah
0:55:27.059,0:55:31.020
it's hard to be what's uh let's ask you
0:55:29.400,0:55:33.059
what's your number one Sam if you can
0:55:31.020,0:55:35.280
only if you know my college that you say
0:55:33.059,0:55:36.599
yeah I want you to hunt this year but
0:55:35.280,0:55:37.859
you're gonna have one sound and we'll
0:55:36.599,0:55:40.040
see what you can get done what sound
0:55:37.859,0:55:43.619
you're picking
0:55:40.040,0:55:45.260
uh that would have to be pup three
0:55:43.619,0:55:47.280
great choice
0:55:45.260,0:55:50.099
you know and it's
0:55:47.280,0:55:52.700
don't ask me why it works in December
0:55:50.099,0:55:52.700
and January
0:55:52.940,0:56:01.020
it does and and uh you know I just I
0:55:57.720,0:56:03.720
love it it's and I think sometimes we
0:56:01.020,0:56:05.280
get in a rut sticking to the same sounds
0:56:03.720,0:56:06.839
I have guys call me all the time you
0:56:05.280,0:56:09.480
know hey I've been running this sound
0:56:06.839,0:56:10.920
and so I'll tell them I'll try this you
0:56:09.480,0:56:12.300
know and so they'll go try it and they
0:56:10.920,0:56:13.500
say well it didn't work well then what'd
0:56:12.300,0:56:15.780
you do well I went back to the other
0:56:13.500,0:56:17.579
sounds so you went for you take you
0:56:15.780,0:56:19.260
tried a new sound on two stands it
0:56:17.579,0:56:21.180
doesn't work so you go back to what you
0:56:19.260,0:56:23.760
know wasn't gonna work
0:56:21.180,0:56:25.920
you know you gotta right you gotta you
0:56:23.760,0:56:29.220
gotta be able to force yourself
0:56:25.920,0:56:31.559
sometimes to give those give those new
0:56:29.220,0:56:35.040
sounds and new sequences and
0:56:31.559,0:56:37.500
a chance to work and uh but if I had to
0:56:35.040,0:56:39.960
pick one sound it would be pup three
0:56:37.500,0:56:42.240
it's just proven itself for so long and
0:56:39.960,0:56:43.859
it's still uh continues to produce this
0:56:42.240,0:56:46.619
day I think it's a great great option
0:56:43.859,0:56:48.119
it'd be I I asked this question a lot to
0:56:46.619,0:56:50.160
these guys you know when we interview
0:56:48.119,0:56:52.260
about here and I'm always thinking man
0:56:50.160,0:56:54.900
it's a that's a tough question how do
0:56:52.260,0:56:57.059
you know what I would be it is it is and
0:56:54.900,0:56:59.099
uh you know that's the that's the
0:56:57.059,0:57:00.780
benefit of the technology we have and
0:56:59.099,0:57:03.359
what foxborough's been able to do is
0:57:00.780,0:57:06.000
there's so many good sounds and so many
0:57:03.359,0:57:07.980
good options yeah that uh you know
0:57:06.000,0:57:10.020
there's probably
0:57:07.980,0:57:11.880
I mean in reality you could probably go
0:57:10.020,0:57:14.460
through and there could be 20 sounds
0:57:11.880,0:57:16.500
that you hunt with just one just pick
0:57:14.460,0:57:18.540
one of 20 all year long and you know and
0:57:16.500,0:57:20.460
you're gonna have good good it tells a
0:57:18.540,0:57:21.960
lot about the style of coyote Hunter it
0:57:20.460,0:57:24.119
is especially when you ask the top three
0:57:21.960,0:57:25.980
favorite sounds I always I think that's
0:57:24.119,0:57:28.200
the most interesting one because it I
0:57:25.980,0:57:31.020
can it automatically kind of
0:57:28.200,0:57:33.240
tells me in my mind what kind of what
0:57:31.020,0:57:35.099
style coyote Hunter you are if that
0:57:33.240,0:57:38.040
makes sense to you but uh I got another
0:57:35.099,0:57:39.240
question for you here you know like I
0:57:38.040,0:57:40.619
said we'll talk about earlier you come
0:57:39.240,0:57:42.180
from a long line of coyote Hunters
0:57:40.619,0:57:43.980
you've done it your entire life you've
0:57:42.180,0:57:46.740
hunted with some of the greatest who's
0:57:43.980,0:57:49.920
ever done it and you've seen a lot of
0:57:46.740,0:57:53.339
coyotes get piled up what's your
0:57:49.920,0:57:56.300
favorite coyote caliber my favorite
0:57:53.339,0:57:59.940
coyote caliber oh
0:57:56.300,0:58:02.700
see uh well
0:57:59.940,0:58:06.440
I would have to say my number one
0:58:02.700,0:58:06.440
favorite coyote caliber
0:58:07.260,0:58:15.540
I'm gonna go with the 22 250. I love it
0:58:10.380,0:58:17.220
love it and I I hunt with and I shoot
0:58:15.540,0:58:18.960
coyotes with a bunch of different guns
0:58:17.220,0:58:20.940
all year because I love guns and I don't
0:58:18.960,0:58:22.260
want any of them to feel neglected you
0:58:20.940,0:58:24.359
know I feel like I have a personal
0:58:22.260,0:58:27.119
relationship with all these guns yes
0:58:24.359,0:58:32.280
yeah I shoot coyotes every year with a
0:58:27.119,0:58:36.000
222 223 I have a 243 that a night hunt
0:58:32.280,0:58:37.380
with that I love I'm my you know I've
0:58:36.000,0:58:40.200
shot a bunch of coyotes the last couple
0:58:37.380,0:58:42.480
years with a 22 Creedmoor that I love
0:58:40.200,0:58:45.900
I've shot a bus yeah I've shot a few of
0:58:42.480,0:58:48.240
the 22 Creed I love that yeah but if you
0:58:45.900,0:58:50.280
was gonna tell me okay one coyote gun
0:58:48.240,0:58:53.339
for the rest of your life
0:58:50.280,0:58:55.799
it would definitely be the 22 250. I
0:58:53.339,0:58:58.020
love they're flat they're fast they're
0:58:55.799,0:59:00.599
not picky to reload for I've had you
0:58:58.020,0:59:02.400
know they're they're easy to they're
0:59:00.599,0:59:03.660
calm and you can find bullets for them
0:59:02.400,0:59:06.000
and uh
0:59:03.660,0:59:07.619
and you know they're user friendly I can
0:59:06.000,0:59:09.839
you know you can take your wife or
0:59:07.619,0:59:10.980
girlfriend or your kids out and they can
0:59:09.839,0:59:13.200
uh
0:59:10.980,0:59:16.079
you know like perfectly hunt anything
0:59:13.200,0:59:18.240
with it for predator yep so I'm I'm
0:59:16.079,0:59:20.040
going 22 250.
0:59:18.240,0:59:21.960
all right we're fixing to wrap it up
0:59:20.040,0:59:24.480
here and I've got one more question for
0:59:21.960,0:59:28.319
you that I think will be be good to
0:59:24.480,0:59:30.660
close this on and uh I've listened to uh
0:59:28.319,0:59:32.880
to an interview that you're a part of
0:59:30.660,0:59:34.140
just a couple days ago because I knew it
0:59:32.880,0:59:36.960
was coming up and I just wanted to get
0:59:34.140,0:59:41.160
some ideas of stuff to ask you there was
0:59:36.960,0:59:44.160
a quote from you it said hunting wasn't
0:59:41.160,0:59:48.059
just something you did for fun but it
0:59:44.160,0:59:49.920
was a very important part of your life
0:59:48.059,0:59:53.099
tell us what
0:59:49.920,0:59:54.480
hunting means to John bear to close this
0:59:53.099,0:59:58.140
out
0:59:54.480,0:59:59.240
oh man that's a tough one ain't it it's
0:59:58.140,1:00:02.400
going well
0:59:59.240,1:00:04.799
something like that yeah no it's it's uh
1:00:02.400,1:00:06.180
that's a good question that's a good
1:00:04.799,1:00:09.740
question
1:00:06.180,1:00:09.740
okay I you know
1:00:10.799,1:00:15.480
I know I'm not alone in saying this but
1:00:13.319,1:00:17.819
I think about hunting pretty much all
1:00:15.480,1:00:21.599
day every day no matter which job I'm
1:00:17.819,1:00:24.059
working no matter where I'm at all my uh
1:00:21.599,1:00:27.059
greatest relationships
1:00:24.059,1:00:29.339
and my greatest friendships
1:00:27.059,1:00:32.339
in life come
1:00:29.339,1:00:35.520
through some connection to hunting
1:00:32.339,1:00:37.640
uh a lot of the greatest memories I have
1:00:35.520,1:00:42.420
with my dad
1:00:37.640,1:00:44.160
uh my grandpa my great grandpa my kids
1:00:42.420,1:00:47.579
my buddies
1:00:44.160,1:00:52.140
are all tied to hunting
1:00:47.579,1:00:54.540
and so you know it's uh
1:00:52.140,1:00:57.599
I I think hunting is pretty much the
1:00:54.540,1:01:00.180
Common Thread that ties you know all the
1:00:57.599,1:01:02.520
best parts of my life together is how it
1:01:00.180,1:01:05.099
is how I put it you know my
1:01:02.520,1:01:06.240
some of my best best friends I've ever
1:01:05.099,1:01:07.740
had
1:01:06.240,1:01:09.839
you know I've met
1:01:07.740,1:01:11.460
I've met hunting whether it was at
1:01:09.839,1:01:12.780
archery league whether it was a coyote
1:01:11.460,1:01:15.540
contest
1:01:12.780,1:01:18.480
uh whether it was the conservation event
1:01:15.540,1:01:21.720
where we were raising money for hunting
1:01:18.480,1:01:24.240
you know it's the Common Thread through
1:01:21.720,1:01:26.460
all the best parts of my life
1:01:24.240,1:01:29.819
my with my kids my family and everything
1:01:26.460,1:01:31.980
else is hunting so I don't know if that
1:01:29.819,1:01:34.260
answers your question or not that's good
1:01:31.980,1:01:36.119
stuff like I said hunting has brought
1:01:34.260,1:01:39.059
many people together
1:01:36.119,1:01:41.880
and uh man just like I said it's just
1:01:39.059,1:01:43.799
it's it's part of you and uh I think
1:01:41.880,1:01:45.000
it's a it's a perfect answer it's good
1:01:43.799,1:01:45.780
stuff I appreciate you being on here
1:01:45.000,1:01:48.119
John
1:01:45.780,1:01:49.740
well I really appreciate uh appreciate
1:01:48.119,1:01:51.660
you having me it's good to talk to the
1:01:49.740,1:01:53.819
Legend John Collins and let's do it
1:01:51.660,1:01:55.200
again sometime oh we'll definitely do it
1:01:53.819,1:01:56.460
again thank you for being on here and
1:01:55.200,1:01:58.799
sharing your knowledge telling some
1:01:56.460,1:02:00.299
stories and uh we hope everyone enjoyed
1:01:58.799,1:02:03.740
this episode we hope you join us again
1:02:00.299,1:02:03.740
right here on the Foxpro podcast