Join FOXPRO's Jon Collins and Al Morris as they discuss calling coyotes in the Summer.
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast
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brought to you by Foxpro game calls
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welcome to the Foxpro podcast this is
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John Collins and I am joined by fellow
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co-worker Big Al Morris how's it going
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Al Hey kid how are you John I'm doing
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I'm doing great uh the topic of this
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what's your weather out what's your
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weather like where you're at it is hot
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and dry we're actually extremely I'm
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here in Central Kentucky and uh it's
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made up in the 90s low 90s to mid 90s
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and it's been dry we need rain bad uh
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I'm sure I guarantee it's dry out to
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where you're at
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well it's yeah I know we're in that
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drought and and uh but you know I was
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just out uh me and Tom were just filming
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last week up in Northern Utah Southern
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Idaho and uh Maine and lots of rabbits
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um everything's still green first of
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July but uh man this July and August if
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it turns off really hot man you're going
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to see the West just burn up because
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everything's the grass is tall and uh
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uh stuff like that but you're suffering
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through triples I see in Kentucky
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suffering yeah it's at the you know the
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summer season so far in late spring has
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actually been uh been pretty good you
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know been hunting a little bit here in
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Kentucky just just limited stuff you
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know because it gets so hot so quick but
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we've done some stuff you know we've
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been hanging out with Jeff Ryder a
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little bit in Kansas and it was pretty
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decent I wouldn't say anything's been
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just turned on fire or anything but
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Colin has been pretty good you know when
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they do come uh they're they're coming
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pretty daggone good
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um which I know you do a lot and roll in
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yeah yeah yeah uh and and that's kind of
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what our our topic on this podcast is
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going to be this episode it's going to
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be over summertime coyote calling
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um and and now just you know before we
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get started you know I know
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most most hunters know exactly who you
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are you know especially if they're in a
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coyote hunting world and are familiar
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with your background but do you you know
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what we will have some newcomers to come
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to the sports you know there's newcomers
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come to the sport every single day
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um to tell those guys a little bit a
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little bit about yourself
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so you know I'm just a fat kid from
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Springville Utah that's now 55 years old
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I killed my first coyote when I was
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eight
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um
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and uh we were hauling hay and and uh I
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went dad said grab a Winchester
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he said there was a coyote in the field
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when he left the field earlier that
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morning you know and I kicking rocks as
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I get home from school and then we drive
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out there to yeah I always tell Dad pick
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up hay and we'd drive out there and I
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shot my first coyote and it was a you
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know it was it was it changed my life it
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really did uh uh to shoot that first one
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and then and took it in and the old
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man's steel there gave me 28 bucks for
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that first coyote I killed and he he
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said you ain't skinned very many many
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coyotes have you and I said no sir he
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said I'm gonna have to sew three hours
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just to get this sellable but he said
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from now on you just bring me that
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coyote well that old man paid me money
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for that first cow that really sunk me
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oh yeah yeah he said you got musk
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muskrats where you live so then I
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started trapping a muskrats but so I
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started early and I I really started
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calling in 1990
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um
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uh six years later in 19 or seven years
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later in 19 uh under six years 1996.
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um I went out to Central Nevada where my
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in-laws lived and in three days I called
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in 28 coyotes who killed 14 of them
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threw him in the back of a truck and and
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Chopper Miller pulled up behind me and
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and uh he saw those 14 pellets in the
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back of that truck and he jumped out and
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he said man where'd you get them coyotes
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and how many and I said there's 14. he
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said how many did you call in I said 28
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and he said only got 50 you suck
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and I said no wait a minute I was only
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out there three days actually two and a
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half and I killed these 14 coyotes and
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I'm gonna sell every one of them and I
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think I made 300 bucks in those 14
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coyotes and and it paid for Christmas
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and and uh that's what I did in 1991 92
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93 94 95 96 I'd go out there for the two
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weeks I had off I used to machine
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diamonds I was a machinist okay and uh
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then I was a plumber for a few years but
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uh you know I've done I've worked 16
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hours a day and and a lot of guys don't
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know that I can appreciate what it is to
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work uh 10 12 16 hour day doing some of
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these other jobs and and uh man I like
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killing coyos better and that's that
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Chopper Miller he saw those coyotes in
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the back of my truck and he said you
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know my cousin Garvin young I said yeah
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I played the trumpet with him Garvin was
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a year older than me graduating 1983 I
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graduated in 1984 from Springville High
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and and uh he said Garvin needs a
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partner next year for the World
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Championship uh those guys killed 22
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coyotes in a day and a half man and I
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said there's no way that's impossible
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you can't do that they're cheaters are
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liars and I said well maybe they're just
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maybe they're just better coyote Hunters
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anyway long story short we entered our
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first world championship in 1997 and uh
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we just wanted to place in the top ten
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that was our goal and we killed 11
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coyotes on day one this huge try this
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storm come up from California and
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Arizona and guys were talking about porn
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they would sit on stand calling coyotes
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and then they'd have to tip their
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barrels up and water would run out of
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their barrels that's how much rain was
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coming down on that Western United
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States and that was in Cortez Colorado
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the contest was and where we were at it
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didn't rain it snowed we were a little
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higher than the rest of them boys and it
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was coming down sideways but we managed
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to call in 11 coyotes and kill them
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which was the most Coyote's mere
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government had ever seen in our lives
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the next day we get up call in a triple
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and we killed two out of the three in
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the triple killed 13 coyotes
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we uh drive in and they said team number
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13 how many coyotes 13 no that's your
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team number I said no we've killed got
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13 coyotes in the back of this truck and
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the guy looked at us and said you were
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winning the closest team to us had seven
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so the first year we entered the world
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championship we won and it's a funny
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story and I can go into detail and I do
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in some of my seminars but anyway long
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story short I looked at Garvin I said we
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can do this every year and it took us 11
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years to win our second one in 2007 and
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then 2008 we back to back it to become
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the only three-time World Champs and
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then in 2016 I was 50 years old and
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Garvin was 51 and we won our fourth
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world championship so me and Garvin are
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the only four-time World Championship we
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participated 24 years in that world
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championship and only three of the years
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we didn't finish in the top ten right
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and that that's and that's per that's
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pretty amazing it's tough and kind of
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like what you said you know uh you know
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I thought I was pretty good right here
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in Central kentucky killing coyotes and
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I decided I wanted to kind of become a
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traveling coyote Hunter you know I
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learned pretty quick that uh you know
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Kyle is still a coyote but when you go
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to other territories there's learning
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curves well you just got to learn them
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you got what I think is different about
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different terrain John and different
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places in the country is you need to
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learn where those coyotes like to hang
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out right right where where they hunt in
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the mornings where they Loaf in the
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afternoons where they come out to feed
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in the evenings and and uh and then you
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know some coyotes can live in a one mile
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square area and they can live their
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whole life in that one mile Square some
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of these coyotes I think have 50 60 90
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Miles Square you know and so they can be
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anywhere in that territory and and it's
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uh and what's really been the advantage
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for us John and I just hope that people
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can pick this you know people listen to
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podcasts for those little jams of
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information right yeah and I guarantee
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you that if you have a Foxpro and you
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pay play if you go around at night and
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play Coyote group locator uh coyote
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locator coyote group Yip house
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um
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group Yip house there's what's the other
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um anyway any of those group uh coyote
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pear
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um any of those big vocalizations group
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vocalizations and now that we have mfk
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sounds library to us you know mfk has
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that
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um serenades and holler backs and I mean
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there's just so many group good great
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first on that stuff you know we're just
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now trying to learn these sounds too
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from mfp it's almost overwhelming all
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the good stuff it is overwhelming and
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the quality of the sounds that we you
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know and so there were some people
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buying other the the chinese-made
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callers for the sound libraries and now
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I tell them there's no reason to buy
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anything but American made because we've
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got the largest Sound Library with it
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combined with the mfk library we've got
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the best Library available but if people
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will take these Fox pros and go around
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and start to locate spend more time just
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finding coyotes yes sir and then you
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know that's the that's the thing is it
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doesn't matter where in the country you
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are and I think that's the advantage of
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having us this team we call the Foxpro
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hunting TV team we can go around the
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nation and show people how to take these
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Fox pros and go out in their backyards
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and uh be successful calling coyotes and
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uh I know guys that have quit deer
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hunting you know oh yeah quit the big
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game stuff the coyote hunting has and a
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lot of people won't let you on their
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place to hunt their turkeys or hunt
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their whitetails or hunt their muellies
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or elk but if you want to go kill their
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cat so sometimes they open the gate and
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let you in there to hunt their coyotes
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and it can be a gateway to get in there
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and hunt their turkeys and Hunt their
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elk and but at the end of the day
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um the passion is calling coyotes and
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and teaching people how to use these
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foxpros and go around and and find those
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coyotes in the areas that they want to
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hunt and the areas they want to
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specialize in and that's what's cool
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yeah that's that's exactly what they're
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talking about anybody here that's
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listening to this podcast it's like Al
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mention you know Foxpro hunting TV you
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know we're on carbon TV on YouTube motv
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you know just any streaming platform
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you've got we could you know we're there
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if you want to watch us and just like he
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said we're bringing out stuff not just
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in one territory you know from the
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Eastern Shore all the way out to the
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Western from Maryland to California and
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points in between and a few years ago I
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went from Texas to Alberta Canada and
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now Canada hadn't been open until recent
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but uh hopefully we can get back up
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there into Canada yeah but uh it's just
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been amazing yeah the one year I went to
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Vermont and there's no I had no earthly
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me and Steve Dylan went to Vermont and
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uh I really didn't know how a kid from
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Utah uh was gonna do in Vermont but uh
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what I have found out is if you can kill
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coyotes in Utah you can go anywhere
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right and I'm not saying that the
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Eastern coyote you know people want to
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make the Eastern coyote uh smarter than
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the Western coyote and I tell people
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that's just not true a coyote is only
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used to its environment where it grows
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up and some of these coyotes grow up in
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close proximity to human beings
0:10:47.640,0:10:52.860
and they get really good at living next
0:10:50.399,0:10:54.779
to human beings yeah and they're going
0:10:52.860,0:10:57.060
to pay more attention to some of the
0:10:54.779,0:10:59.519
details that maybe us humans don't pay
0:10:57.060,0:11:01.620
attention to so yeah we'll have to we'll
0:10:59.519,0:11:03.660
have to do a future podcast on East
0:11:01.620,0:11:05.579
versus West I think it'd be a good one
0:11:03.660,0:11:07.920
for everybody to hear because you know
0:11:05.579,0:11:10.620
we both have you know experience going
0:11:07.920,0:11:11.760
from from all corners of the country and
0:11:10.620,0:11:13.860
I think there'd be something for
0:11:11.760,0:11:15.180
everybody to hear but uh let's go ahead
0:11:13.860,0:11:17.040
and start talking about some summertime
0:11:15.180,0:11:18.360
coyote hunting a little bit you we you
0:11:17.040,0:11:20.399
started talking about you know how long
0:11:18.360,0:11:22.440
you've been coyote hunting and stuff
0:11:20.399,0:11:25.620
like that right when did you actually
0:11:22.440,0:11:27.480
start say coyote hunting in the summer
0:11:25.620,0:11:30.060
months
0:11:27.480,0:11:33.240
well I tell everybody the story about
0:11:30.060,0:11:36.060
I'm at Elk Foundation show in January or
0:11:33.240,0:11:38.220
February in Vegas and Justin Lamont
0:11:36.060,0:11:40.019
walks up to me diamond a guides and
0:11:38.220,0:11:42.000
Outfitters from Oregon
0:11:40.019,0:11:44.880
and he's like big out why don't you come
0:11:42.000,0:11:46.740
hunt coyotes with me in July and August
0:11:44.880,0:11:48.360
and I said why on Earth would I hunt
0:11:46.740,0:11:50.459
coyote in July and August I've always
0:11:48.360,0:11:52.560
been a hide Hunter John you know I've
0:11:50.459,0:11:54.300
always I've typically even when I made
0:11:52.560,0:11:56.399
the operation Predator video series for
0:11:54.300,0:11:59.640
100 Specialties all those years we only
0:11:56.399,0:12:01.500
hunted from maybe mid-october when the
0:11:59.640,0:12:03.300
when just as soon as the highs were
0:12:01.500,0:12:05.100
getting good all the way through
0:12:03.300,0:12:08.040
February when they started to rub I'd
0:12:05.100,0:12:10.380
quit hunting coyotes because I just you
0:12:08.040,0:12:12.420
know I was a hide Hunter I had a I had a
0:12:10.380,0:12:15.360
bias to only hunt coyotes when their fur
0:12:12.420,0:12:17.640
was Prime right and then you know I
0:12:15.360,0:12:19.320
started filming and then I realized I
0:12:17.640,0:12:22.140
needed to expand that a little I needed
0:12:19.320,0:12:24.000
to film longer it's hard and and I don't
0:12:22.140,0:12:26.100
think people can appreciate how hard it
0:12:24.000,0:12:30.540
is to film coyotes until you try to do
0:12:26.100,0:12:33.060
it and then to sell film like you do is
0:12:30.540,0:12:35.100
it's almost like you're a masochist in
0:12:33.060,0:12:37.500
some form or function because it's so
0:12:35.100,0:12:39.779
hard to capture everything on film and
0:12:37.500,0:12:41.459
harvest the coyote and do it all by
0:12:39.779,0:12:44.180
yourself anyway everything's got to work
0:12:41.459,0:12:44.180
out just right
0:12:44.720,0:12:48.660
I challenge you all listening to this
0:12:47.100,0:12:51.120
podcast if you've never tried to sell
0:12:48.660,0:12:54.060
film a coyote go try it a few times and
0:12:51.120,0:12:57.480
you'll understand just how truly uh hard
0:12:54.060,0:12:59.639
that can be but as we started to expand
0:12:57.480,0:13:01.139
our Seasons filming you know I run into
0:12:59.639,0:13:04.200
Justin and he says I'll tell you what
0:13:01.139,0:13:05.399
Big Al you come right after July 4th and
0:13:04.200,0:13:06.240
I'll show you something you ain't never
0:13:05.399,0:13:09.480
done
0:13:06.240,0:13:11.820
and so sure enough I drive to Oregon uh
0:13:09.480,0:13:14.160
I took my wife and my daughter we were
0:13:11.820,0:13:15.660
just I I really didn't think that coyote
0:13:14.160,0:13:16.920
hunting was going to be the highlight I
0:13:15.660,0:13:18.540
just wanted to make it a family thing
0:13:16.920,0:13:21.540
and have some fun
0:13:18.540,0:13:25.200
and we went up there with with Justin
0:13:21.540,0:13:29.040
and we turned on the Foxpro
0:13:25.200,0:13:32.100
and coyotes were running this over I had
0:13:29.040,0:13:34.260
never seen the dramatic call-ins
0:13:32.100,0:13:36.660
and I mean I had in the winter we'd had
0:13:34.260,0:13:38.760
coyotes come to the call you know to eat
0:13:36.660,0:13:40.680
the rabbit right he was using
0:13:38.760,0:13:41.880
vocalizations right and they were coming
0:13:40.680,0:13:45.360
to fight
0:13:41.880,0:13:47.820
and I had to I had my dogs at the time I
0:13:45.360,0:13:50.760
didn't take my dogs in July up there
0:13:47.820,0:13:52.860
with us and I thought holy cow we called
0:13:50.760,0:13:56.279
in 10 or 12 coyotes in a day and a half
0:13:52.860,0:13:58.320
and they were all I mean dramatic
0:13:56.279,0:14:01.139
callings they were they were wanting to
0:13:58.320,0:14:03.420
fight they were wanting you know and I
0:14:01.139,0:14:05.579
was stunned how the weather was
0:14:03.420,0:14:07.920
relatively nice it was kind of cool up
0:14:05.579,0:14:10.019
in this Mountain Country we were hunting
0:14:07.920,0:14:12.120
even though it was July we were only in
0:14:10.019,0:14:15.360
60s 70s the girls were cold in the
0:14:12.120,0:14:17.639
morning and uh you know
0:14:15.360,0:14:20.220
I couldn't believe the dramatic call-ins
0:14:17.639,0:14:21.959
we had during the summer and that's when
0:14:20.220,0:14:24.420
my passion for that
0:14:21.959,0:14:26.399
spring summer calling really kicked off
0:14:24.420,0:14:28.260
right and I said he's really on to
0:14:26.399,0:14:30.240
something so I I owe all the credit to
0:14:28.260,0:14:33.839
Justin The Mott for getting me out there
0:14:30.240,0:14:36.000
in that first week of July and seeing
0:14:33.839,0:14:38.579
that they were so protective of any pup
0:14:36.000,0:14:41.579
distresses anything like that those pups
0:14:38.579,0:14:43.740
you know and now when I do my seminars
0:14:41.579,0:14:45.600
John I I tell everybody you can base the
0:14:43.740,0:14:47.699
entire year of Colin around one event
0:14:45.600,0:14:49.920
and that's the rut February 15th right
0:14:47.699,0:14:51.959
is when most coyotes breed and then it's
0:14:49.920,0:14:55.440
a 62-day gestation period just like a
0:14:51.959,0:14:57.060
dog and those coyotes have their babies
0:14:55.440,0:14:58.860
the last week of April first week of May
0:14:57.060,0:15:02.040
now we know there's coyotes breeding in
0:14:58.860,0:15:04.860
December because by April there's pups
0:15:02.040,0:15:06.420
in the dirt you know first of April and
0:15:04.860,0:15:08.399
then I know there's some coyotes don't
0:15:06.420,0:15:10.320
breed till March because there's some
0:15:08.399,0:15:13.740
pups are just barely getting in the dirt
0:15:10.320,0:15:15.300
in may end of May so coyotes have you
0:15:13.740,0:15:16.980
know it's just like a whitetail rut when
0:15:15.300,0:15:19.440
would you say your whitetails rut there
0:15:16.980,0:15:21.300
in Kentucky I'd say the I'd say the peak
0:15:19.440,0:15:23.220
of it is just right there around a
0:15:21.300,0:15:25.740
second week you know so first second
0:15:23.220,0:15:27.180
week of November November right and some
0:15:25.740,0:15:29.820
people say that first week of November
0:15:27.180,0:15:32.459
is the run but you see bucks chasing
0:15:29.820,0:15:35.120
does in October oh and you'll see you'll
0:15:32.459,0:15:37.500
see bucks chasing does in the December
0:15:35.120,0:15:39.060
you know when they if they miss that
0:15:37.500,0:15:41.100
first extra cycle they'll have a second
0:15:39.060,0:15:42.600
even a third Ester cycle anyway I think
0:15:41.100,0:15:44.279
that's why we have early pups and late
0:15:42.600,0:15:46.380
pups is it's just Mother Nature doing
0:15:44.279,0:15:47.880
what Mother Nature does but if they have
0:15:46.380,0:15:49.079
those pups the last week of April first
0:15:47.880,0:15:51.420
week of May is when they hit the dirt
0:15:49.079,0:15:52.920
first 15 days their eyes and you know
0:15:51.420,0:15:55.139
they don't open their eyes for 13 15
0:15:52.920,0:15:58.260
days then they just poke around inside
0:15:55.139,0:16:00.660
the den that next 15 days but at 60 days
0:15:58.260,0:16:02.100
those pups are outside the dens at 90
0:16:00.660,0:16:05.760
days they're starting to hunt with Mom
0:16:02.100,0:16:08.160
and Dad so by agenda June 1st of July
0:16:05.760,0:16:09.899
guess what those pups are out starting
0:16:08.160,0:16:12.000
to hunt they're they're trying to become
0:16:09.899,0:16:14.820
coyotes and hunt for themselves the
0:16:12.000,0:16:17.459
first week of July so that's why right
0:16:14.820,0:16:19.740
now the date where what is today July
0:16:17.459,0:16:21.240
starting to go right yeah yeah and yeah
0:16:19.740,0:16:23.100
and I totally agree you know I always
0:16:21.240,0:16:24.899
tell everybody I think this you know
0:16:23.100,0:16:27.360
when it comes to you know I like
0:16:24.899,0:16:30.660
springtime column two but when it comes
0:16:27.360,0:16:32.339
for good you know hard charging coyotes
0:16:30.660,0:16:34.440
in the summer I think it starts my
0:16:32.339,0:16:35.639
opinion is right now you know as of July
0:16:34.440,0:16:38.160
or August month
0:16:35.639,0:16:39.779
no and I know why it starts right now
0:16:38.160,0:16:41.759
because those Puffs are getting into
0:16:39.779,0:16:42.720
they're getting into trouble they're out
0:16:41.759,0:16:44.279
and about
0:16:42.720,0:16:45.600
and they're getting chewed on things
0:16:44.279,0:16:47.579
you're killing them I mean they're
0:16:45.600,0:16:49.560
getting distemper they're getting ready
0:16:47.579,0:16:50.759
you know there's a lot of diseases that
0:16:49.560,0:16:52.560
are taking these kind of stuff but
0:16:50.759,0:16:54.720
there's no there won't be any more
0:16:52.560,0:16:57.959
coyotes in the year than right now right
0:16:54.720,0:17:00.000
it's exactly right yeah and you know hey
0:16:57.959,0:17:02.160
there is a group of guys out there that
0:17:00.000,0:17:04.500
were just like Al Morris not so very
0:17:02.160,0:17:06.540
many years ago that say hey why would
0:17:04.500,0:17:09.000
you kill a coyote in July when that
0:17:06.540,0:17:11.939
coyote in November is going to bring a
0:17:09.000,0:17:13.980
hundred dollars right and I can't argue
0:17:11.939,0:17:16.679
with those guys those I it's hard for me
0:17:13.980,0:17:19.740
to go dog I cannot I've made some great
0:17:16.679,0:17:22.079
dogging episodes with Troy uh Adams up
0:17:19.740,0:17:25.260
in Montana and we call him these big
0:17:22.079,0:17:27.360
white dogs in July in June and July and
0:17:25.260,0:17:29.040
this I know that coyote would be worth a
0:17:27.360,0:17:32.220
hundred hundred fifty dollars in
0:17:29.040,0:17:34.740
December right but I shot him in July
0:17:32.220,0:17:36.539
but here's the deal we all roll the same
0:17:34.740,0:17:37.860
boat and it doesn't matter whether
0:17:36.539,0:17:40.080
you're a Hyde Hunter it doesn't matter
0:17:37.860,0:17:42.360
whether you would never shoot a pup or
0:17:40.080,0:17:44.340
never you know we shouldn't argue
0:17:42.360,0:17:46.620
amongst ourselves and for people that
0:17:44.340,0:17:48.360
would argue for a season man it drives
0:17:46.620,0:17:50.039
me crazy John why would you limit
0:17:48.360,0:17:52.679
yourself why would you ever vote to
0:17:50.039,0:17:54.360
limit yourself exactly we've got enough
0:17:52.679,0:17:55.740
people out there trying to limit trying
0:17:54.360,0:17:58.260
to limit us so we don't need to do it to
0:17:55.740,0:18:00.179
ourselves that's for sure exactly you
0:17:58.260,0:18:02.100
may not agree with us doing summertime
0:18:00.179,0:18:04.020
calling and that's fine don't hunt
0:18:02.100,0:18:06.960
coyotes in the summer but don't tell us
0:18:04.020,0:18:09.419
we can't you know and it's hard for me
0:18:06.960,0:18:11.840
because we me and you in particular are
0:18:09.419,0:18:14.580
making a living hunting these coyotes
0:18:11.840,0:18:17.700
365 days a year Sean you can take these
0:18:14.580,0:18:19.860
Fox Pros out 365 days a year and call a
0:18:17.700,0:18:21.059
coyote in with them and we make a living
0:18:19.860,0:18:22.620
doing that and I don't know about you
0:18:21.059,0:18:25.980
but I've paid for three girls to go
0:18:22.620,0:18:28.260
through college and built a home and I
0:18:25.980,0:18:30.240
did it because I hunted coyotes 365 days
0:18:28.260,0:18:31.740
I tell you what I'm I'm not I'm not
0:18:30.240,0:18:33.480
complaining about getting to do it
0:18:31.740,0:18:35.520
that's for sure you know that's yeah
0:18:33.480,0:18:37.799
that's why you know we coyote hunt for
0:18:35.520,0:18:40.020
many reasons all of us do but you know
0:18:37.799,0:18:41.580
one of the main reasons I'm going to
0:18:40.020,0:18:43.320
kind of speak for both of us because I
0:18:41.580,0:18:45.840
think you are on the same boat as me you
0:18:43.320,0:18:48.600
know one of the main reasons we do it is
0:18:45.840,0:18:51.059
because we absolutely love it I mean we
0:18:48.600,0:18:54.299
love it for it yep so it doesn't matter
0:18:51.059,0:18:56.220
in January through December it and if
0:18:54.299,0:18:58.080
the fish and game say it's legal it's
0:18:56.220,0:19:00.960
legal why would we argue with each other
0:18:58.080,0:19:02.520
about it get after them yes Let's uh no
0:19:00.960,0:19:05.580
so I just thought I'd throw that out no
0:19:02.520,0:19:07.320
I think that's a great point it is we
0:19:05.580,0:19:09.600
all roll the same boat but if you
0:19:07.320,0:19:11.220
haven't summertime called you really
0:19:09.600,0:19:14.280
need to go do it because it's just
0:19:11.220,0:19:16.740
kicking in right now and you don't need
0:19:14.280,0:19:18.360
dogs I mean I've got I've got some of
0:19:16.740,0:19:21.299
the best decoy dogs on the planet right
0:19:18.360,0:19:22.679
now I'll never have four decoy dogs any
0:19:21.299,0:19:27.179
better than the four I have right now
0:19:22.679,0:19:28.740
the Teddy's 12 uh Chris 11 I've got one
0:19:27.179,0:19:30.299
of their daughters that's that coming
0:19:28.740,0:19:31.559
seven and one of their daughters that's
0:19:30.299,0:19:34.799
coming four
0:19:31.559,0:19:37.080
and they really know their business and
0:19:34.799,0:19:39.120
but you don't need decoy dogs right now
0:19:37.080,0:19:40.740
to do the summertime calling and I guess
0:19:39.120,0:19:42.900
what we can do is just go through it and
0:19:40.740,0:19:44.460
I know what you I wasn't with you guys
0:19:42.900,0:19:46.559
in Kansas but I know one of the first
0:19:44.460,0:19:48.780
things you do on a stand is just open up
0:19:46.559,0:19:51.360
with big lone house right it doesn't
0:19:48.780,0:19:55.200
matter whether it's female sore Hal C5
0:19:51.360,0:19:56.940
young pup pal female yodel Hal
0:19:55.200,0:19:59.460
um there's several house so if you guys
0:19:56.940,0:20:02.220
are writing down the sound list open up
0:19:59.460,0:20:03.840
the number one thing they did a research
0:20:02.220,0:20:05.820
project up here in Idaho they put a
0:20:03.840,0:20:07.860
bunch of coyotes inside this big fenced
0:20:05.820,0:20:10.260
area and they actually called the
0:20:07.860,0:20:12.720
coyotes in and would Dart them and radio
0:20:10.260,0:20:15.120
call them so they could uh see their
0:20:12.720,0:20:17.039
these coyotes react to different sounds
0:20:15.120,0:20:18.960
and stuff they wanted to see how these
0:20:17.039,0:20:21.480
coyotes would react to calling
0:20:18.960,0:20:23.640
conditions in particular and the number
0:20:21.480,0:20:26.100
one thing coyotes came to once they got
0:20:23.640,0:20:27.360
the radio callers on these coyotes the
0:20:26.100,0:20:29.760
number one thing these coyotes would
0:20:27.360,0:20:32.580
come to is single lone house right yeah
0:20:29.760,0:20:34.620
coyotes are curious coyotes want to be
0:20:32.580,0:20:36.840
with other coyotes or they they're so
0:20:34.620,0:20:38.640
territorial that they want to defend
0:20:36.840,0:20:40.260
their territories against these single
0:20:38.640,0:20:42.539
coyotes and there's lots if you think
0:20:40.260,0:20:44.280
about it Coyote's just a like a pinball
0:20:42.539,0:20:45.660
in a pinball machine these pups when
0:20:44.280,0:20:47.400
they get kicked out and that's why I say
0:20:45.660,0:20:49.200
we can relate it back to the the
0:20:47.400,0:20:51.360
breeding and the pup season and through
0:20:49.200,0:20:53.460
the summer mom and dad take care of the
0:20:51.360,0:20:56.100
pups through August September and then
0:20:53.460,0:20:57.600
what happens we call it the dispersal uh
0:20:56.100,0:20:59.340
August and September they kick their
0:20:57.600,0:21:01.080
pups out now why does Mom and Dad kick
0:20:59.340,0:21:03.000
the pups out it seems mean or it seems
0:21:01.080,0:21:03.960
they want to grow another batch of pups
0:21:03.000,0:21:05.580
the next year and they don't want these
0:21:03.960,0:21:07.320
pups eating food that they need for next
0:21:05.580,0:21:09.240
year's batch so they just kicked the
0:21:07.320,0:21:10.980
teenagers out and say good luck right
0:21:09.240,0:21:12.179
and so those teenagers are like pinballs
0:21:10.980,0:21:15.000
in a pinball machine they're bouncing
0:21:12.179,0:21:17.820
around and that's why you know I know in
0:21:15.000,0:21:20.100
future podcasts we'll talk about the
0:21:17.820,0:21:21.900
fall season how September October
0:21:20.100,0:21:23.940
November December are some of the best
0:21:21.900,0:21:25.260
calling because those pups are out
0:21:23.940,0:21:27.179
trying to establish their new
0:21:25.260,0:21:29.340
territories they're bouncing from
0:21:27.179,0:21:30.960
dominant pair to dominant pair that are
0:21:29.340,0:21:32.640
trying to defend their territories and
0:21:30.960,0:21:34.919
it's just a great time to call coyotes
0:21:32.640,0:21:37.440
but uh we're talking about spring and
0:21:34.919,0:21:39.480
summer so right now what's happening is
0:21:37.440,0:21:41.520
these pups are out they're learning to
0:21:39.480,0:21:42.900
be coyotes and by those single lone
0:21:41.520,0:21:45.659
house
0:21:42.900,0:21:47.880
um you'll get awesome responses the the
0:21:45.659,0:21:49.799
if the coyotes don't initially howl at
0:21:47.880,0:21:51.659
you they'll probably come take a look
0:21:49.799,0:21:53.880
they want to see who's in their
0:21:51.659,0:21:57.059
territory or who's around their pups who
0:21:53.880,0:21:59.940
might be there to to hurt their Puffs
0:21:57.059,0:22:02.460
and that's why I use single own house or
0:21:59.940,0:22:04.860
this time of year is my first yeah and
0:22:02.460,0:22:06.299
I'll I'll do single own house for a
0:22:04.860,0:22:07.919
couple minutes and then I'll sit in
0:22:06.299,0:22:09.480
silence for two or three or four minutes
0:22:07.919,0:22:11.760
just
0:22:09.480,0:22:13.980
um it's hard John how do you explain to
0:22:11.760,0:22:17.340
people that there's a natural rhythm
0:22:13.980,0:22:19.380
out there that that all animals live and
0:22:17.340,0:22:20.640
we as humans we only have a few days a
0:22:19.380,0:22:22.679
year that we go out there and try to
0:22:20.640,0:22:25.200
insert ourselves and be successful right
0:22:22.679,0:22:26.700
in those wild animals right the crazy
0:22:25.200,0:22:29.640
thing is you know like he was kind of
0:22:26.700,0:22:31.440
talking about East uh and you know East
0:22:29.640,0:22:32.940
versus West type stuff you know you've
0:22:31.440,0:22:34.140
been making most your stands here lately
0:22:32.940,0:22:35.760
in that western part of the United
0:22:34.140,0:22:37.860
States and I've been you know in the
0:22:35.760,0:22:39.360
Midwest and in here uh you know in
0:22:37.860,0:22:41.880
Kentucky you know I'm east of the
0:22:39.360,0:22:44.039
Mississippi and stuff it actually saying
0:22:41.880,0:22:45.539
holds true right here just we talked
0:22:44.039,0:22:47.820
about earlier said the podcast you
0:22:45.539,0:22:50.760
mentioned about killing a triple uh last
0:22:47.820,0:22:53.460
week exact same thing started out with
0:22:50.760,0:22:55.740
some lone house it was uh mfk's kamir
0:22:53.460,0:22:58.799
lonely house I think that's what it was
0:22:55.740,0:23:01.620
was immediately answered by a group of
0:22:58.799,0:23:03.539
coyotes adult coyotes and just like Al
0:23:01.620,0:23:06.900
said they actually respond not only
0:23:03.539,0:23:08.340
vocally responded but I look up within a
0:23:06.900,0:23:10.440
minute and a half those coyotes are
0:23:08.340,0:23:12.600
standing on the edge of the woodlot
0:23:10.440,0:23:13.919
I mean they they had actually came to
0:23:12.600,0:23:17.340
the house
0:23:13.919,0:23:19.500
yes little B whimper house I I know
0:23:17.340,0:23:21.900
you've you've scrolled past it probably
0:23:19.500,0:23:24.600
yeah I have not believed I got those msk
0:23:21.900,0:23:26.159
sounds recently little B whimperhow I
0:23:24.600,0:23:29.100
cannot believe how many coyotes have
0:23:26.159,0:23:30.659
just run to me yeah I play that how and
0:23:29.100,0:23:32.940
if those coyotes are within three four
0:23:30.659,0:23:34.320
five six hundred yards they run right to
0:23:32.940,0:23:36.900
the collar I need to write they're
0:23:34.320,0:23:39.600
looking at me so I can write it down no
0:23:36.900,0:23:42.360
it'll be whimperhow is pretty dang
0:23:39.600,0:23:44.880
amazing and uh
0:23:42.360,0:23:46.559
I need to go get my remote out of my
0:23:44.880,0:23:47.600
truck so I can go through some of these
0:23:46.559,0:23:51.659
sounds
0:23:47.600,0:23:55.320
speaking of the sounds Al I mean how how
0:23:51.659,0:23:58.740
does your calling style change for those
0:23:55.320,0:24:00.480
summer calling months compared to your
0:23:58.740,0:24:02.539
winter type setups you know what you're
0:24:00.480,0:24:05.940
we're talking about well uh your general
0:24:02.539,0:24:08.940
uh summer coyote stand in July
0:24:05.940,0:24:11.760
so the difference is I'm mostly doing
0:24:08.940,0:24:15.360
vocalizations in the summer spring
0:24:11.760,0:24:18.419
summer early fall then it switches in
0:24:15.360,0:24:21.840
that late fall early winter I primarily
0:24:18.419,0:24:26.720
do prey distress with less vocalizations
0:24:21.840,0:24:26.720
but I'm still vocalizing and uh
0:24:26.760,0:24:32.280
um but here's what's nobody's talking
0:24:29.760,0:24:33.120
about that I've noticed the last few
0:24:32.280,0:24:36.120
years
0:24:33.120,0:24:38.280
is I'm basically doing the same stuff
0:24:36.120,0:24:40.919
300
0:24:38.280,0:24:43.980
with variations right whereas this time
0:24:40.919,0:24:45.600
of year I will do 10 to 15 minutes of
0:24:43.980,0:24:48.720
vocalizations
0:24:45.600,0:24:50.820
and I still do pray distress sometimes
0:24:48.720,0:24:52.620
but it's only two to five minutes of
0:24:50.820,0:24:54.919
that okay so when you when you say you
0:24:52.620,0:24:59.640
will mix in some prey distress
0:24:54.919,0:25:03.320
or Fawn type sounds or yes the kid goat
0:24:59.640,0:25:03.320
distress is my number one font
0:25:03.480,0:25:08.700
um Levi Johnson up in Montana turned me
0:25:06.480,0:25:11.940
on to kid go distress a couple years ago
0:25:08.700,0:25:14.880
and now I'm using it primarily in the
0:25:11.940,0:25:16.440
spring of my I like a whitetail Fawn I
0:25:14.880,0:25:18.120
like the mule deer fondest dress I like
0:25:16.440,0:25:19.620
the uh
0:25:18.120,0:25:22.140
um if there's lots of antelope the
0:25:19.620,0:25:25.020
antelope Fawn distress but kid goat
0:25:22.140,0:25:27.179
distress is loud and it sounds like a
0:25:25.020,0:25:28.740
fawn you know there you go it might be
0:25:27.179,0:25:30.360
one of those secret sounds that nobody
0:25:28.740,0:25:33.120
everybody just like he's talking about
0:25:30.360,0:25:34.559
Earth scrolling past it's special yeah
0:25:33.120,0:25:37.320
so
0:25:34.559,0:25:39.360
and I wanted to go through so those lone
0:25:37.320,0:25:42.919
house I'll just I'll run you right down
0:25:39.360,0:25:47.159
my favorites list right here awesome
0:25:42.919,0:25:49.080
everybody yeah no C5 young coyote Hal is
0:25:47.159,0:25:54.419
my number one how
0:25:49.080,0:25:56.760
Den or uh uh coyote female Thor Hal oh
0:25:54.419,0:26:00.000
man you've got to have female Sore house
0:25:56.760,0:26:01.980
in there no it sounds and even though it
0:26:00.000,0:26:06.179
says female I think it sounds like a big
0:26:01.980,0:26:08.940
old deep man that's a raspy Santa that
0:26:06.179,0:26:11.940
was a Wyoming coyote that was recorded
0:26:08.940,0:26:15.720
and uh she just sounds like a Depot yeah
0:26:11.940,0:26:17.940
and then I have to go to my uh
0:26:15.720,0:26:21.059
mfk Library
0:26:17.940,0:26:23.900
and I go to just the coyote library and
0:26:21.059,0:26:26.940
I go down little B wimperhow it's
0:26:23.900,0:26:29.640
l-i-l-b whimper how
0:26:26.940,0:26:33.840
whimper puphow
0:26:29.640,0:26:36.539
one mfk little B whimper pup house one
0:26:33.840,0:26:39.960
and I'm telling you what that's just uh
0:26:36.539,0:26:42.480
bonus then I sit in silence
0:26:39.960,0:26:44.400
for two or three minutes
0:26:42.480,0:26:48.120
and then I've been going to the fights
0:26:44.400,0:26:53.820
breeding categories and uh that hell
0:26:48.120,0:26:56.400
yeah fight in 24-bit on the 20 the x-24
0:26:53.820,0:26:58.740
has just I mean
0:26:56.400,0:27:01.440
the coyotes are rolling in
0:26:58.740,0:27:03.480
and uh
0:27:01.440,0:27:05.400
then I'll let it play for a minute or
0:27:03.480,0:27:06.840
two and I'll sit there and silence and
0:27:05.400,0:27:11.640
then I go to
0:27:06.840,0:27:13.320
uh pop our pop sound pup 314. oh yeah um
0:27:11.640,0:27:15.240
one of my favorites as well especially
0:27:13.320,0:27:16.380
Springtime and Springtime killer right
0:27:15.240,0:27:17.880
there
0:27:16.380,0:27:20.760
I don't know
0:27:17.880,0:27:22.799
if we're trying to create a scenario and
0:27:20.760,0:27:24.600
and we assume that those coyotes are
0:27:22.799,0:27:26.880
where they can hear us and so we play
0:27:24.600,0:27:28.740
these three or four sounds we're trying
0:27:26.880,0:27:31.380
to play a realistic in my mind I'm
0:27:28.740,0:27:33.600
trying to play a realistic scenario that
0:27:31.380,0:27:36.480
we howled we indicated we're in the area
0:27:33.600,0:27:38.039
then that Hal yeah
0:27:36.480,0:27:39.720
um
0:27:38.039,0:27:41.960
I want to make sure I'm saying that
0:27:39.720,0:27:41.960
right
0:27:42.720,0:27:48.960
and I apologize we will hell yeah fight
0:27:46.740,0:27:50.820
in 24-bit
0:27:48.960,0:27:51.840
um I think it sounds like those coyotes
0:27:50.820,0:27:54.419
that we have
0:27:51.840,0:27:57.600
found a pup and are kind of chewing on a
0:27:54.419,0:28:01.140
pup and then all you know kind of it's
0:27:57.600,0:28:03.419
kind of an alarm bar or uh uh not it's
0:28:01.140,0:28:06.419
not even a morning it's a it's not even
0:28:03.419,0:28:08.640
alarm it's uh just an aggressive bark
0:28:06.419,0:28:10.320
with these pup wines you know it sounds
0:28:08.640,0:28:12.000
like a big male coyote is kind of
0:28:10.320,0:28:12.900
chewing on a pot is what it sounds like
0:28:12.000,0:28:15.059
to me
0:28:12.900,0:28:17.960
and this time of year I cannot believe
0:28:15.059,0:28:21.659
the reactions I'm getting on that sound
0:28:17.960,0:28:24.059
and then by going to pup 314 nutty nut
0:28:21.659,0:28:26.279
pup wigged out pups some of those pup
0:28:24.059,0:28:28.500
sounds that uh Steve Dillon released yes
0:28:26.279,0:28:31.440
yes you know a few short months ago
0:28:28.500,0:28:33.900
that's HP coyote pup nutty nut puppy is
0:28:31.440,0:28:35.820
those you know man religious no they're
0:28:33.900,0:28:38.580
great sounds great sounds
0:28:35.820,0:28:40.799
and uh earlier in the year I was playing
0:28:38.580,0:28:43.980
canine Puffs too
0:28:40.799,0:28:46.020
um which is an older sound but is is and
0:28:43.980,0:28:48.000
then I was going through I was listening
0:28:46.020,0:28:51.539
to Tori cook talk about going through
0:28:48.000,0:28:54.000
the mfk got milk one two three four
0:28:51.539,0:28:55.020
um those are pups that are young and in
0:28:54.000,0:28:57.600
distress
0:28:55.020,0:28:59.100
and I those worked really good for me
0:28:57.600,0:29:00.840
about a month and a half two months ago
0:28:59.100,0:29:03.659
you know when those puppies were small
0:29:00.840,0:29:04.919
oh yes and now that the pups are getting
0:29:03.659,0:29:06.240
older and they're starting to hunt for
0:29:04.919,0:29:08.760
themselves they're getting into trouble
0:29:06.240,0:29:10.200
so I think and then I never leave a
0:29:08.760,0:29:13.020
stand without playing puff screams and
0:29:10.200,0:29:15.000
pup distress three right now if I've
0:29:13.020,0:29:17.880
done that for 12 15 minutes and nothing
0:29:15.000,0:29:20.820
showed up I will play kid goat distress
0:29:17.880,0:29:23.580
I will play Mrs mccantill Mr mccantail
0:29:20.820,0:29:25.140
cagey Cottontail if there's cottontails
0:29:23.580,0:29:27.419
if there's jackrabbits I've been playing
0:29:25.140,0:29:29.640
baby Jack and we killed a couple coyotes
0:29:27.419,0:29:32.039
last week on that we played through all
0:29:29.640,0:29:33.360
the house did all that scenario I know
0:29:32.039,0:29:34.799
that coyote was listening but he wasn't
0:29:33.360,0:29:36.059
you know for whatever reason didn't want
0:29:34.799,0:29:37.559
to come to the dogs didn't want to do
0:29:36.059,0:29:39.480
any of that
0:29:37.559,0:29:42.539
um I turned on uh
0:29:39.480,0:29:44.220
uh baby Jackrabbit one of the new
0:29:42.539,0:29:46.799
Jackrabbit sounds we released just
0:29:44.220,0:29:50.399
recently and that baby Jack a big old
0:29:46.799,0:29:53.220
male comes rolling across 600 yards open
0:29:50.399,0:29:56.159
just because he's hungry I think so
0:29:53.220,0:29:57.600
we're firing on different cylinders and
0:29:56.159,0:29:58.799
it doesn't matter what time of year it
0:29:57.600,0:30:00.240
is
0:29:58.799,0:30:02.279
um they're going to be protective that
0:30:00.240,0:30:04.140
you know I there's four or five reasons
0:30:02.279,0:30:06.059
the coyote will come to a guy
0:30:04.140,0:30:07.860
the first reason is they're territorial
0:30:06.059,0:30:09.179
this second reason is they're curious
0:30:07.860,0:30:11.039
the third reason they'll come is they're
0:30:09.179,0:30:13.080
hungry and the fourth reason they'll
0:30:11.039,0:30:14.760
come is they'll protect their Puffs and
0:30:13.080,0:30:16.799
then you can get Territorial and all
0:30:14.760,0:30:18.240
that you know it's similar
0:30:16.799,0:30:21.120
so this time of year I'll play
0:30:18.240,0:30:23.820
vocalizations for 12-15 minutes and then
0:30:21.120,0:30:26.399
I'll play prey distress now reverse that
0:30:23.820,0:30:27.899
come September October when we'll go
0:30:26.399,0:30:31.620
into more detail when we talk about fall
0:30:27.899,0:30:34.580
calling but I'll play 15 minutes of
0:30:31.620,0:30:36.899
distress whether it's rabbit bird Deer
0:30:34.580,0:30:38.940
uh go whatever
0:30:36.899,0:30:41.520
and then I'll play the house for five
0:30:38.940,0:30:43.880
minutes right and I'm noticing I'm
0:30:41.520,0:30:48.000
sticking I'm still playing
0:30:43.880,0:30:50.279
Pub 314 in September October you know I
0:30:48.000,0:30:53.100
may only play it for a couple minutes at
0:30:50.279,0:30:55.679
15 minutes or 18 minutes on stand
0:30:53.100,0:30:58.679
but I'm still playing those buttons the
0:30:55.679,0:30:59.700
very first time I played coyote pup 314.
0:30:58.679,0:31:01.620
you know what I mean you got those
0:30:59.700,0:31:04.740
sounds back was it two years ago now
0:31:01.620,0:31:07.380
yeah three years it was at the end of
0:31:04.740,0:31:10.740
summer so I think the very first time I
0:31:07.380,0:31:13.140
ran coyote put 314 was either like the
0:31:10.740,0:31:16.380
last week of August or the first week of
0:31:13.140,0:31:18.539
September and I had a hard charge and
0:31:16.380,0:31:20.880
old female coyote come I mean you know
0:31:18.539,0:31:22.980
and I think the first week of September
0:31:20.880,0:31:25.799
so that's what I've noticed John in the
0:31:22.980,0:31:27.960
last few years is I'm using the same
0:31:25.799,0:31:30.240
Library I'm not changing my libraries
0:31:27.960,0:31:31.980
around I'm changing when I play the
0:31:30.240,0:31:34.440
sounds and that's the only difference
0:31:31.980,0:31:36.779
and I think it all equates to that rut
0:31:34.440,0:31:38.340
in February the pups being born last
0:31:36.779,0:31:40.260
week April first week of May then they
0:31:38.340,0:31:42.480
summer we get the coyotes through the
0:31:40.260,0:31:44.279
summer then they're in the fall and then
0:31:42.480,0:31:46.140
those late winter coyotes then you get
0:31:44.279,0:31:48.419
into the breeding you know that December
0:31:46.140,0:31:50.700
15th January 15th they start breeding
0:31:48.419,0:31:53.460
and through February into March and then
0:31:50.700,0:31:55.919
you can really go back to primarily
0:31:53.460,0:31:57.840
vocalizations you know that time of year
0:31:55.919,0:31:59.279
because coyotes are looking to hook up
0:31:57.840,0:32:02.039
coyotes are looking to protect their
0:31:59.279,0:32:03.659
territories right so what I found out is
0:32:02.039,0:32:05.899
it doesn't matter where I go from
0:32:03.659,0:32:09.120
Alberta to Texas California to Vermont
0:32:05.899,0:32:11.640
I'm using the same sounds just didn't
0:32:09.120,0:32:13.020
different I'm mixing up when and how I
0:32:11.640,0:32:15.539
play those sounds and it's really hard
0:32:13.020,0:32:17.340
for me on a podcast to tell you when
0:32:15.539,0:32:19.140
that transition is going to take place
0:32:17.340,0:32:21.480
in your area right that's something you
0:32:19.140,0:32:22.860
get those these guys listening gals also
0:32:21.480,0:32:25.679
listen they've kind of got to figure
0:32:22.860,0:32:29.100
that out but summertime Colin the
0:32:25.679,0:32:31.140
vocalizations the pulp distress and uh
0:32:29.100,0:32:34.799
you know the pup fights and the den
0:32:31.140,0:32:37.799
mayhems the den vicious on the mfk
0:32:34.799,0:32:41.520
library the pound town I mean that's
0:32:37.799,0:32:43.380
those sounds and they'll work this month
0:32:41.520,0:32:45.659
next month they'll work in December
0:32:43.380,0:32:48.960
they'll work in January it's pretty
0:32:45.659,0:32:51.059
crazy to me that I just change up the
0:32:48.960,0:32:53.340
order and I'm using virtually the same
0:32:51.059,0:32:54.720
sounds year round right I'm just using
0:32:53.340,0:32:55.860
them in different combinations well
0:32:54.720,0:32:57.720
that's the thing with the coyote
0:32:55.860,0:32:59.399
vocalizations I mean coyotes are pretty
0:32:57.720,0:33:01.980
social animals really with each other
0:32:59.399,0:33:03.539
and you know one thing when it comes to
0:33:01.980,0:33:05.700
the pub especially this time of year
0:33:03.539,0:33:08.460
running the puppy sounds
0:33:05.700,0:33:10.200
you know you've got coyotes coming to
0:33:08.460,0:33:12.360
puffy sounds for two different reasons
0:33:10.200,0:33:14.279
in my mindset you know I'm thinking you
0:33:12.360,0:33:15.840
we got a group of coyotes of course
0:33:14.279,0:33:18.059
they're paternal they're coming to
0:33:15.840,0:33:20.100
protect you know those coyotes are part
0:33:18.059,0:33:21.779
of a den but you've also got coyotes
0:33:20.100,0:33:24.179
that are not part of a family at that
0:33:21.779,0:33:25.620
time or not part of a den I and you can
0:33:24.179,0:33:26.700
tell how they approach a call you know
0:33:25.620,0:33:28.260
you have some of those coyotes that come
0:33:26.700,0:33:30.539
sneaking in to those puppy sounds and
0:33:28.260,0:33:32.640
then you have something else running in
0:33:30.539,0:33:34.320
France I think those ones are kind of
0:33:32.640,0:33:36.299
sneaking in I almost think they're
0:33:34.320,0:33:39.059
coming to eat a pup instead of
0:33:36.299,0:33:41.640
protecting them huh yeah yeah and that's
0:33:39.059,0:33:43.080
and I think that's why you know that
0:33:41.640,0:33:44.940
there's some coyotes that are killing
0:33:43.080,0:33:47.039
other coyotes exactly they don't want
0:33:44.940,0:33:48.960
them in their territory and so when they
0:33:47.039,0:33:50.880
that pup isn't going to just take it
0:33:48.960,0:33:53.880
he's going to squeal to high hell yeah
0:33:50.880,0:33:57.000
you know that Uncle Joe's got a hold of
0:33:53.880,0:33:59.640
me yeah and
0:33:57.000,0:34:03.559
and that's why the pub distress is just
0:33:59.640,0:34:03.559
King right now yeah and it's it's
0:34:04.080,0:34:09.000
I think you try to set a scenario now
0:34:07.440,0:34:10.200
you know I don't want to get ahead of
0:34:09.000,0:34:12.599
ourselves and talk about the fall
0:34:10.200,0:34:15.599
scenarios but I think and that's you're
0:34:12.599,0:34:17.820
just trying to I sometimes I'll have
0:34:15.599,0:34:19.440
in September October and just let that
0:34:17.820,0:34:21.179
lone hell resonate out there and let
0:34:19.440,0:34:23.760
them know there's a coyote and then I'll
0:34:21.179,0:34:25.800
go into a cagey Cottontail or something
0:34:23.760,0:34:27.599
and make them think that that coyote
0:34:25.800,0:34:29.700
that how two or three minutes ago found
0:34:27.599,0:34:31.139
him a rabbit and and they're get real
0:34:29.700,0:34:33.000
territorial they're like hey you're not
0:34:31.139,0:34:34.379
going to eat my rabbit you know they'll
0:34:33.000,0:34:36.599
come to that
0:34:34.379,0:34:38.520
um we're guessing you're right right we
0:34:36.599,0:34:39.240
know that we know they come though is a
0:34:38.520,0:34:41.700
thing
0:34:39.240,0:34:43.320
yeah no we're doing our best guess and
0:34:41.700,0:34:45.240
that's really and that's the other thing
0:34:43.320,0:34:46.619
is if you're going to guess on sounds
0:34:45.240,0:34:48.060
you better be doing what's best sounds
0:34:46.619,0:34:50.700
and they're on the fox page that's right
0:34:48.060,0:34:52.500
and you're talking about talking about
0:34:50.700,0:34:53.460
sounds a little bit further there Alan
0:34:52.500,0:34:55.500
you was talking about your summer
0:34:53.460,0:34:57.359
sequence and talking about these
0:34:55.500,0:35:00.839
different things you'll run on a
0:34:57.359,0:35:02.460
particular stand what is your average on
0:35:00.839,0:35:04.380
how many sounds that you'll actually
0:35:02.460,0:35:06.060
play like you know if you're not calling
0:35:04.380,0:35:07.980
a coyote you know a coyote doesn't come
0:35:06.060,0:35:09.780
to the house and it doesn't come to your
0:35:07.980,0:35:12.480
first pup sound you play how many sounds
0:35:09.780,0:35:16.260
will you play on a stand on say average
0:35:12.480,0:35:19.859
just your general Stan I I will stay 18
0:35:16.260,0:35:21.900
to 25 minutes on a stand if I'm filming
0:35:19.859,0:35:24.000
John I'll stay even longer sometimes
0:35:21.900,0:35:25.560
because it's so hard to pack that
0:35:24.000,0:35:27.900
equipment in
0:35:25.560,0:35:30.839
um it's so hard on the equipment to pack
0:35:27.900,0:35:33.480
it in and out like we do but
0:35:30.839,0:35:34.380
um when I was contest calling John you
0:35:33.480,0:35:35.760
know when we won those World
0:35:34.380,0:35:37.920
Championships in all those different
0:35:35.760,0:35:39.960
states we'd only stay 12 minutes right
0:35:37.920,0:35:41.280
right because it was a number game for
0:35:39.960,0:35:43.320
you making more stuff it was the numbers
0:35:41.280,0:35:45.839
game I had to make if you weren't making
0:35:43.320,0:35:47.339
28 to 32 stands in a day you wouldn't
0:35:45.839,0:35:49.680
beat me and Garf because we were gonna
0:35:47.339,0:35:52.079
we were gonna call coyotes on 50 of
0:35:49.680,0:35:55.740
those stands and if we could shoot you
0:35:52.079,0:35:58.140
know we we'd get our 15 you know 10 to
0:35:55.740,0:36:00.599
15 coyotes a day that's that was our
0:35:58.140,0:36:04.020
goal and that's why we you know the most
0:36:00.599,0:36:06.480
successful uh contest hunters in that
0:36:04.020,0:36:09.599
Championship circuit is because we made
0:36:06.480,0:36:12.119
28 to 32 stands a day and on day two we
0:36:09.599,0:36:15.359
were making those 11 to 15 stands before
0:36:12.119,0:36:18.480
we had the Boogie to get to check in and
0:36:15.359,0:36:20.240
if you hit on 50 of those and so it's a
0:36:18.480,0:36:22.500
numbers game and you've got to be quick
0:36:20.240,0:36:23.940
when you're just Recreation these guys
0:36:22.500,0:36:26.400
that are just recreational calling
0:36:23.940,0:36:29.280
especially in the summer why not stay 30
0:36:26.400,0:36:32.040
45 minutes right and you can in that
0:36:29.280,0:36:34.440
scenario play a few more sounds now I'll
0:36:32.040,0:36:37.020
typically play two or three lone house
0:36:34.440,0:36:39.599
I'll do the C5 and answer with the
0:36:37.020,0:36:40.980
little B whimperhow Papa
0:36:39.599,0:36:42.720
and
0:36:40.980,0:36:45.060
I'll let that resonate for two or three
0:36:42.720,0:36:48.839
minutes then I'll go into that hell Hal
0:36:45.060,0:36:52.680
yeah fight how or I'll do a uh
0:36:48.839,0:36:54.240
a pair little B and stanky you know it
0:36:52.680,0:36:56.400
just sounds like two pups you know
0:36:54.240,0:36:59.160
rolling around on each other then I'll
0:36:56.400,0:37:00.180
go to the pups 3 14 or I'll go to nutty
0:36:59.160,0:37:02.579
nut pup
0:37:00.180,0:37:04.560
then I'll hit some pop screens
0:37:02.579,0:37:06.780
um some Pub distress three and then I'll
0:37:04.560,0:37:10.020
go into the fights I'll do the pound
0:37:06.780,0:37:12.060
pound town or the den Mayhem and by that
0:37:10.020,0:37:15.180
time frame if you spread that out you
0:37:12.060,0:37:17.520
know leaving some silence in there and
0:37:15.180,0:37:18.920
and I learned this from Eddie Salter the
0:37:17.520,0:37:22.440
turkey man yeah
0:37:18.920,0:37:23.880
silence kills as much as sound and you
0:37:22.440,0:37:26.160
know this when you're hunting a big old
0:37:23.880,0:37:28.079
gobbler
0:37:26.160,0:37:30.119
um there's a rhythm
0:37:28.079,0:37:32.460
when you go you know you can cut like a
0:37:30.119,0:37:34.440
hand okay and he'll gobble and then you
0:37:32.460,0:37:37.500
can get excited you can do those excited
0:37:34.440,0:37:39.180
cuts and those excited hen Yelps but
0:37:37.500,0:37:40.500
there's also those hands are going to be
0:37:39.180,0:37:41.520
feeding they're going to be scratching
0:37:40.500,0:37:43.680
they're going to be doing that thing
0:37:41.520,0:37:46.859
there's some silence involved
0:37:43.680,0:37:49.079
in between those calls and it's deciding
0:37:46.859,0:37:50.760
how much silence to give a big Tom to
0:37:49.079,0:37:53.460
kill him right and you've done it a
0:37:50.760,0:37:56.820
hundred times you've seen it sometimes
0:37:53.460,0:37:58.560
you say one thing you go and that's it
0:37:56.820,0:38:00.420
you don't have to say another thing that
0:37:58.560,0:38:02.880
Tom's gonna be in your lap you've just
0:38:00.420,0:38:05.400
got to be patient he's coming
0:38:02.880,0:38:08.339
right that silence that you're giving
0:38:05.400,0:38:10.260
him is killing him and it's hard to tell
0:38:08.339,0:38:12.180
people how to kick that silent time
0:38:10.260,0:38:13.500
because sometimes it's killing you
0:38:12.180,0:38:16.680
inside because you ain't letting no
0:38:13.500,0:38:18.839
sound out absolutely how do you explain
0:38:16.680,0:38:20.460
to people that silence kills as much as
0:38:18.839,0:38:22.859
sound now I can't sell you the Silent
0:38:20.460,0:38:24.720
Sound it's there you just gotta hit mute
0:38:22.859,0:38:27.980
right and you've got to be smart enough
0:38:24.720,0:38:27.980
to let it mute long enough
0:38:28.520,0:38:32.339
you've got to figure out that Rhythm
0:38:30.660,0:38:34.680
John now how do we explain to those guys
0:38:32.339,0:38:36.480
when to be silent and when to be foreign
0:38:34.680,0:38:39.060
that's the thing you know all we can do
0:38:36.480,0:38:40.800
is tell you guys you know our sounds and
0:38:39.060,0:38:42.180
sequences and you guys can watch and see
0:38:40.800,0:38:44.339
how we do it and then it takes
0:38:42.180,0:38:46.320
experience you have got to get out there
0:38:44.339,0:38:48.480
and start making stands you can't just
0:38:46.320,0:38:50.460
you know or try to hit the balls out but
0:38:48.480,0:38:52.200
you have got to get out the more stands
0:38:50.460,0:38:53.579
you make and just because you're
0:38:52.200,0:38:55.200
unsuccessful doesn't mean it was
0:38:53.579,0:38:57.119
unsuccessful you learned something right
0:38:55.200,0:38:59.280
you learn something every I don't know
0:38:57.119,0:39:01.140
about you John but every time I go out I
0:38:59.280,0:39:03.660
learn something new sometimes I have to
0:39:01.140,0:39:06.839
relearn those lessons and it's hard that
0:39:03.660,0:39:09.900
I'm so stupid that I you know I hate
0:39:06.839,0:39:12.060
playing I hate playing a rabbit sound
0:39:09.900,0:39:13.260
and then I get I'm saying well they
0:39:12.060,0:39:15.060
should have been here and then I hit the
0:39:13.260,0:39:16.800
howl and I see a coyote running in and
0:39:15.060,0:39:18.660
he stops because I howled at him yeah he
0:39:16.800,0:39:20.160
was he was coming to the rabbit just not
0:39:18.660,0:39:23.400
coming as quick as you thought he should
0:39:20.160,0:39:25.920
have been he was gonna come the whole
0:39:23.400,0:39:27.720
way unmolested he was gonna put his nose
0:39:25.920,0:39:30.240
in that x24
0:39:27.720,0:39:32.520
and I was too dumb to just let it play
0:39:30.240,0:39:33.839
another 30 seconds man that coyote would
0:39:32.520,0:39:34.920
have been there I've done the exact same
0:39:33.839,0:39:36.900
thing
0:39:34.920,0:39:38.520
man I'll tell you what well you know I
0:39:36.900,0:39:40.020
kind of like Bobcats Bobcat's always
0:39:38.520,0:39:41.520
been a cool thing to me and I've had
0:39:40.020,0:39:42.480
that happen I'll tell how many times you
0:39:41.520,0:39:44.339
know because a lot of times I'm making
0:39:42.480,0:39:46.500
these cat stands and it's in Coyote
0:39:44.339,0:39:48.359
Country you know what I'm passing I
0:39:46.500,0:39:49.980
ain't passing up no coyotes at all
0:39:48.359,0:39:52.079
places you got a bunch of rabbit stuff
0:39:49.980,0:39:53.220
and her and and I don't see nothing I
0:39:52.079,0:39:54.960
say well I'm gonna switch over this
0:39:53.220,0:39:56.700
coyote vocal stuff get a coyote down
0:39:54.960,0:39:58.140
here and start doing kind of some kind
0:39:56.700,0:40:00.540
of crazy stuff and look up and guess
0:39:58.140,0:40:02.820
what there's a Bible kind of figuring
0:40:00.540,0:40:04.560
out because he was coming and oh man
0:40:02.820,0:40:07.680
that's heartbreaking he hears the house
0:40:04.560,0:40:09.480
and it's just we're the worst enemies we
0:40:07.680,0:40:11.880
really are I think us human beings we
0:40:09.480,0:40:14.220
overthink it and I'm gonna keep it
0:40:11.880,0:40:15.859
simple stupid guy kiss program all day
0:40:14.220,0:40:19.380
long keep it simple
0:40:15.859,0:40:21.660
don't overthink The Sounds don't play if
0:40:19.380,0:40:23.400
you're playing 12 15 sounds a stand I
0:40:21.660,0:40:25.920
think you're overdoing it right you know
0:40:23.400,0:40:29.880
you're overthinking it but I do think
0:40:25.920,0:40:31.859
and I used to me and Garvin were one one
0:40:29.880,0:40:34.500
trick ponies for a lot of years he had a
0:40:31.859,0:40:36.420
Cersei call and that's all he blew and
0:40:34.500,0:40:38.099
we didn't I mean I'd have a diaphragm in
0:40:36.420,0:40:40.380
and I would do the puff distresses with
0:40:38.099,0:40:41.880
a diaphragm and stuff and I could do
0:40:40.380,0:40:43.619
some whimpers and winds on that
0:40:41.880,0:40:45.420
diaphragm while he was blowing on that
0:40:43.619,0:40:47.700
Cersei call and I didn't realize how
0:40:45.420,0:40:50.220
many coyotes we were killing because I
0:40:47.700,0:40:52.140
was doing those vocalizations right in
0:40:50.220,0:40:54.660
the early fall and the first week of
0:40:52.140,0:40:57.000
December when the world championship was
0:40:54.660,0:41:00.599
um we made a living with the Cersei
0:40:57.000,0:41:02.460
calling the diaphragm help call but
0:41:00.599,0:41:04.560
um at the end of the day don't overthink
0:41:02.460,0:41:06.720
it go into it with a mindset you're
0:41:04.560,0:41:10.020
going to do a couple three halves you're
0:41:06.720,0:41:11.880
going to do a couple three pup fights
0:41:10.020,0:41:14.400
you're going to do a couple pup
0:41:11.880,0:41:17.280
distresses and then you're gonna do a
0:41:14.400,0:41:18.480
big group fight and then if I really
0:41:17.280,0:41:21.000
think there's coyotes there and I've
0:41:18.480,0:41:23.040
been there 15 20 minutes I will play
0:41:21.000,0:41:24.480
some rabbit I will play just to see if
0:41:23.040,0:41:26.400
they're not coming to the coyote vocal
0:41:24.480,0:41:28.079
stuff why not try something else yeah
0:41:26.400,0:41:29.700
and then if I've been there 25 30
0:41:28.079,0:41:31.560
minutes and I really think there's chaos
0:41:29.700,0:41:33.900
they're all hit coyote group hip-how or
0:41:31.560,0:41:36.240
I'll hit cows fed siren yeah and just
0:41:33.900,0:41:37.859
see if they'll open up yeah to see if
0:41:36.240,0:41:40.260
they'll open up and damn sometimes when
0:41:37.859,0:41:43.079
they open up I can go back to that pup
0:41:40.260,0:41:45.060
distress and here they come you know let
0:41:43.079,0:41:46.440
me ask you this question about you know
0:41:45.060,0:41:50.040
we're talking about numbers how's the
0:41:46.440,0:41:52.200
play what if Mr Mike Dylan came to you
0:41:50.040,0:41:55.560
and said here's your next 24-hour to use
0:41:52.200,0:41:59.000
through July and August but the thing is
0:41:55.560,0:42:01.980
you can only pick three sounds
0:41:59.000,0:42:03.660
you know Mike says here's your x24 you
0:42:01.980,0:42:06.300
get three sounds to run through the next
0:42:03.660,0:42:09.720
two months for July and August what
0:42:06.300,0:42:12.420
three sounds would you pick
0:42:09.720,0:42:15.119
little B one for health
0:42:12.420,0:42:18.240
uh pup 314.
0:42:15.119,0:42:21.740
and then I it would be a tough
0:42:18.240,0:42:25.099
toss-up between like a pound town or
0:42:21.740,0:42:27.540
even up distress
0:42:25.099,0:42:29.520
you picking you a good Hal you're
0:42:27.540,0:42:32.280
picking a good pup distress and a good
0:42:29.520,0:42:34.200
fight yep yep there you go and what if I
0:42:32.280,0:42:36.119
give what if I give you a bonus if well
0:42:34.200,0:42:37.740
I'll give you I'll give you one more
0:42:36.119,0:42:39.720
I'll give you a fourth one one more
0:42:37.740,0:42:41.820
sound then I I'm definitely getting a
0:42:39.720,0:42:44.099
pound town and pup distress three there
0:42:41.820,0:42:46.980
you go there you go you know and another
0:42:44.099,0:42:48.900
thing we keep mentioning coyote pup 314
0:42:46.980,0:42:50.460
and there's another sound that's pretty
0:42:48.900,0:42:52.020
similar to it that I really like and I
0:42:50.460,0:42:54.720
know you've played a lot too now just to
0:42:52.020,0:42:56.520
give these listeners another option it's
0:42:54.720,0:42:58.560
a fox PRO Sound it is from the newer
0:42:56.520,0:43:01.440
Library what do you think about 10 Town
0:42:58.560,0:43:02.880
pups oh yeah you know it's kind of the
0:43:01.440,0:43:04.440
same type of sound it gives you got a
0:43:02.880,0:43:07.680
little bit more variety just it's more
0:43:04.440,0:43:09.660
down wigged out yeah they're all they're
0:43:07.680,0:43:12.240
they're money and what it is is it
0:43:09.660,0:43:16.140
sounds like a young coyote pup getting
0:43:12.240,0:43:18.180
chewed on and the mom and dad and I call
0:43:16.140,0:43:20.760
it the family special they're in Ohio
0:43:18.180,0:43:22.440
August you can get all seven pups and
0:43:20.760,0:43:24.839
both adults you'll see you get nine
0:43:22.440,0:43:27.180
coyotes coming rolling in to protect
0:43:24.839,0:43:29.700
their their litter mates and then Mom
0:43:27.180,0:43:32.400
and Dad protecting their puppies and and
0:43:29.700,0:43:35.160
I'm telling you what it's just it's hard
0:43:32.400,0:43:38.040
to if you've never done this June July
0:43:35.160,0:43:40.680
first 15 days of August all right
0:43:38.040,0:43:43.260
special you're missing out you're
0:43:40.680,0:43:45.420
missing out and I really think here's
0:43:43.260,0:43:46.319
the deal we know that these coyotes are
0:43:45.420,0:43:48.720
eating
0:43:46.319,0:43:51.060
in some populations a whitetail deer
0:43:48.720,0:43:54.599
they're getting half to three quarters
0:43:51.060,0:43:56.880
of these fawns in certain areas and they
0:43:54.599,0:43:59.040
did a study in Pennsylvania the number
0:43:56.880,0:44:01.980
one makeup to a coyote you know they'd
0:43:59.040,0:44:04.619
go around and find coyote poop and they
0:44:01.980,0:44:08.400
would analyze it and there was the least
0:44:04.619,0:44:10.619
50 white-tailed deer right yeah the
0:44:08.400,0:44:12.180
makeup of these the the feces of these
0:44:10.619,0:44:14.819
coyotes so
0:44:12.180,0:44:16.859
um the more you can get out and Hunt
0:44:14.819,0:44:19.319
these coyotes where your food plots are
0:44:16.859,0:44:21.300
you know you know in your tree stands
0:44:19.319,0:44:22.800
it's amazing to me all these Whitetail
0:44:21.300,0:44:25.200
Hunters turn into coyote Hunters when a
0:44:22.800,0:44:26.540
coyote comes under their tree stands oh
0:44:25.200,0:44:29.640
yeah yeah
0:44:26.540,0:44:32.280
because you know that sucker's gonna eat
0:44:29.640,0:44:33.780
your fawns yeah and if you can kill one
0:44:32.280,0:44:36.540
coyote you just saved three or four
0:44:33.780,0:44:38.099
fonts you really did in just your and it
0:44:36.540,0:44:40.980
could be just your farm
0:44:38.099,0:44:43.500
you know and so you've really got to get
0:44:40.980,0:44:45.839
and you don't want to you know if you
0:44:43.500,0:44:48.119
have 100 coyotes in an area John and you
0:44:45.839,0:44:50.460
kill 75 of them the 25 that are left
0:44:48.119,0:44:52.020
will get you back to 101 puff crop right
0:44:50.460,0:44:53.940
right and that's what I don't think a
0:44:52.020,0:44:55.560
lot of people understand is it's a
0:44:53.940,0:44:57.480
highly renewable resource because
0:44:55.560,0:45:00.480
coyotes if there's lots of food and low
0:44:57.480,0:45:03.060
densities she will you know coyotes
0:45:00.480,0:45:04.800
average four to six Puffs per litter if
0:45:03.060,0:45:06.420
there's normal coyote densities and the
0:45:04.800,0:45:08.339
the females they're fighting for
0:45:06.420,0:45:10.680
territories with their males they'll
0:45:08.339,0:45:12.599
have four to six Puffs if there's no
0:45:10.680,0:45:15.300
other coyotes around and there's tons of
0:45:12.599,0:45:16.560
food she can have 12 to 16 Puffs per
0:45:15.300,0:45:17.880
litter
0:45:16.560,0:45:19.800
so that's why we've never been able to
0:45:17.880,0:45:21.660
get rid of the coyote and they've kind
0:45:19.800,0:45:23.280
of invaded you guys that's why your
0:45:21.660,0:45:25.500
coyote populations have been growing is
0:45:23.280,0:45:28.500
because coyotes are highly prolific you
0:45:25.500,0:45:31.740
can lean on them you can kill 75 of them
0:45:28.500,0:45:34.560
and the 25 will get you back to 100 so
0:45:31.740,0:45:36.300
don't think for a second that you that
0:45:34.560,0:45:37.319
you can lean on chaos to the point you
0:45:36.300,0:45:40.020
can get rid of them because you can't
0:45:37.319,0:45:41.460
they can really respond pretty pretty
0:45:40.020,0:45:44.040
amazing
0:45:41.460,0:45:46.859
but every five coyotes you take off that
0:45:44.040,0:45:48.599
farm you just saved 15 20 fonts I
0:45:46.859,0:45:50.099
guarantee you did that's that's one of
0:45:48.599,0:45:51.960
the crazy things talking about how fast
0:45:50.099,0:45:53.880
they spread and talking about coyote
0:45:51.960,0:45:55.740
populations and stuff like that they
0:45:53.880,0:45:57.720
they say that coyotes didn't even
0:45:55.740,0:46:00.180
actually get started in my home state of
0:45:57.720,0:46:02.220
Kentucky until the late 70s they said
0:46:00.180,0:46:05.220
there was a bad winter storm I came here
0:46:02.220,0:46:07.800
what year it was 78 79 it actually froze
0:46:05.220,0:46:12.180
portions of the Mississippi River and
0:46:07.800,0:46:15.780
coyote from Missouri yeah yeah well and
0:46:12.180,0:46:18.060
then I also I mean I know a Trapper and
0:46:15.780,0:46:19.260
and this is just you know a friend of a
0:46:18.060,0:46:21.960
friend deal so you don't know how much
0:46:19.260,0:46:25.079
to believe right but he would send 20 30
0:46:21.960,0:46:28.220
live Kai he would trap them in footholds
0:46:25.079,0:46:30.839
uh just put them in a dog kennel live
0:46:28.220,0:46:33.200
unhook them and then he would send them
0:46:30.839,0:46:35.940
to Kentucky and Missouri
0:46:33.200,0:46:37.980
those guys would they ran out of red fox
0:46:35.940,0:46:40.319
that got kind of because the coyotes
0:46:37.980,0:46:41.940
kind of killed all the Red Sox yeah and
0:46:40.319,0:46:43.560
then they started running those coyotes
0:46:41.940,0:46:44.760
well they didn't catch all those coyotes
0:46:43.560,0:46:46.740
because they were turning out for those
0:46:44.760,0:46:49.619
big you know and I don't know how
0:46:46.740,0:46:51.000
popular those Fox hunts were but I know
0:46:49.619,0:46:52.980
there would be hundreds of guys on
0:46:51.000,0:46:55.800
horses with hundreds of hounds and right
0:46:52.980,0:46:57.900
and it was a big deal and I know
0:46:55.800,0:46:59.819
personally I know a Trapper that he sent
0:46:57.900,0:47:02.520
live he was getting paid
0:46:59.819,0:47:04.920
to send 15 20 live coyotes back there so
0:47:02.520,0:47:06.420
they could run them and he knows for a
0:47:04.920,0:47:07.980
fact that you know that's going to
0:47:06.420,0:47:10.380
bolster a population now whether that's
0:47:07.980,0:47:12.540
true or not I can't I can carefully
0:47:10.380,0:47:14.040
definitely see that happening and like
0:47:12.540,0:47:16.200
you said it'll take but just one or two
0:47:14.040,0:47:18.540
getting out there and they you know well
0:47:16.200,0:47:19.319
there's always some coyotes there and
0:47:18.540,0:47:21.180
then
0:47:19.319,0:47:23.579
you dogs to get to shoot them black
0:47:21.180,0:47:24.839
coyotes I'll tell you what man we'll
0:47:23.579,0:47:26.099
have to get you out here sometime maybe
0:47:24.839,0:47:30.119
it's winter
0:47:26.099,0:47:31.440
I'll just never I John I you could call
0:47:30.119,0:47:32.880
me in a big black coyote and I'll
0:47:31.440,0:47:35.640
probably pass out looking through the
0:47:32.880,0:47:39.500
scope I'd just probably lose my um right
0:47:35.640,0:47:39.500
there I might dog hog on you on that one
0:47:40.040,0:47:45.240
no I've just I've never seen a black one
0:47:43.020,0:47:47.220
of course Abner's killed two now and
0:47:45.240,0:47:49.140
you've killed a few and yeah just so
0:47:47.220,0:47:51.000
jealous yeah they're they're a special
0:47:49.140,0:47:52.380
animal too just like Al saying you know
0:47:51.000,0:47:54.480
they're uh that's something you'll find
0:47:52.380,0:47:56.520
in the East you know rare to see it west
0:47:54.480,0:47:58.079
of the Mississippi and they uh they kind
0:47:56.520,0:48:00.680
of are the Boone and Crockett so to
0:47:58.079,0:48:03.720
speak of uh the coyote Colin World
0:48:00.680,0:48:05.160
special yeah and then then some guys
0:48:03.720,0:48:08.040
shoot the white ones you know really
0:48:05.160,0:48:09.540
like white ones was it Jeremy Bailey or
0:48:08.040,0:48:12.359
one of his buddies anyone in Missouri
0:48:09.540,0:48:14.420
the solid white yeah just just white as
0:48:12.359,0:48:17.040
could be I mean that's beautiful
0:48:14.420,0:48:18.180
they're just rare they're just not you
0:48:17.040,0:48:21.900
know it's not something you see every
0:48:18.180,0:48:25.020
day but summer calling is I here's the
0:48:21.900,0:48:27.300
other thing John is right now July 4th
0:48:25.020,0:48:29.400
there's guys getting ready to go out
0:48:27.300,0:48:31.380
and there's lots of reasons to celebrate
0:48:29.400,0:48:33.359
you know this is the true pride month I
0:48:31.380,0:48:36.960
think supporting the United States of
0:48:33.359,0:48:39.839
America July 4th but now is the really
0:48:36.960,0:48:41.880
great time to go out do these single own
0:48:39.839,0:48:43.380
house use some of the pup distresses
0:48:41.880,0:48:46.319
some of the pup fights and some of the
0:48:43.380,0:48:48.180
group fights and uh these guys can go
0:48:46.319,0:48:50.040
out and be highly successful right now
0:48:48.180,0:48:52.440
yep and just and just like we said
0:48:50.040,0:48:55.020
earlier if you do not hunt coyote in a
0:48:52.440,0:48:56.940
summer months you truly are missing out
0:48:55.020,0:48:59.099
on some awesome awesome coyote calling
0:48:56.940,0:49:02.339
action you just really are
0:48:59.099,0:49:05.579
well it's just the reactions you get are
0:49:02.339,0:49:10.640
just Superior the summertime action is
0:49:05.579,0:49:10.640
superior to Winter it just is right
0:49:11.040,0:49:14.460
now would you say just you know we're
0:49:13.380,0:49:16.319
kind of running out of time here but
0:49:14.460,0:49:18.000
I'll say since you mentioned that
0:49:16.319,0:49:19.859
what it what is would you rather
0:49:18.000,0:49:21.960
summertime call than winter call what's
0:49:19.859,0:49:24.420
your what's your favorite time period
0:49:21.960,0:49:29.280
you know summer's hard on a fat guy
0:49:24.420,0:49:30.420
makes me sweat I leak me too I'm telling
0:49:29.280,0:49:33.420
you what
0:49:30.420,0:49:35.700
I'm telling you what the summer I I
0:49:33.420,0:49:38.040
would rather call coyotes July and
0:49:35.700,0:49:40.619
August even if I only get one or two
0:49:38.040,0:49:42.960
stands in the morning when it's cool I
0:49:40.619,0:49:44.819
love watching the sun come up I love
0:49:42.960,0:49:47.400
being out there just for dark just for
0:49:44.819,0:49:49.680
light and the sun's coming up and the
0:49:47.400,0:49:52.020
world's waking up and you hit that
0:49:49.680,0:49:56.420
little B whimper howl and the big old
0:49:52.020,0:49:56.420
male is five six hundred yards away goes
0:50:00.980,0:50:05.339
get them old swaggers lined up where I
0:50:03.720,0:50:07.079
think he's gonna poke out because I know
0:50:05.339,0:50:08.819
he's coming just ready ready for it
0:50:07.079,0:50:10.260
that's that is one cool thing about the
0:50:08.819,0:50:13.079
summer months
0:50:10.260,0:50:15.300
um you know arguably you know it's
0:50:13.079,0:50:16.740
probably the most when the coyotes are
0:50:15.300,0:50:19.020
most vocal it's when I get the most
0:50:16.740,0:50:21.599
vocal responses from Kyle absolutely so
0:50:19.020,0:50:23.339
and see it's not as you know in so I
0:50:21.599,0:50:26.339
make that same stand that I got the big
0:50:23.339,0:50:28.859
male to Howl at July 1st I make that
0:50:26.339,0:50:30.780
same stand in December he doesn't howl
0:50:28.859,0:50:32.160
he just comes you know he's coming to
0:50:30.780,0:50:34.020
eat that rabbit or coming to eat that
0:50:32.160,0:50:37.140
deer coming to eat that nutty nut hatch
0:50:34.020,0:50:39.000
you know he's coming and it's cool to
0:50:37.140,0:50:42.060
see him bouncing over the stage you know
0:50:39.000,0:50:42.920
but man it's just something cooler about
0:50:42.060,0:50:45.660
him
0:50:42.920,0:50:48.420
Allen I get the old swaggers lined up
0:50:45.660,0:50:50.579
with that Ruger you know yeah and I got
0:50:48.420,0:50:52.380
that OSS suppressor on the front I know
0:50:50.579,0:50:54.900
I'm gonna shoot him
0:50:52.380,0:50:57.720
and if I can hit the pup distress or you
0:50:54.900,0:51:00.599
know uh pup three pup distress three
0:50:57.720,0:51:01.819
maybe that female will come and I'll get
0:51:00.599,0:51:04.079
her too
0:51:01.819,0:51:06.300
and then I can get some of the pups
0:51:04.079,0:51:07.559
coming you know and that's uh that's one
0:51:06.300,0:51:09.720
of the cool things people don't realize
0:51:07.559,0:51:11.700
too you can you can make a stand here in
0:51:09.720,0:51:13.380
July and kill that big male like Al was
0:51:11.700,0:51:15.119
talking about and then you can go right
0:51:13.380,0:51:18.960
back in there this fall make the same
0:51:15.119,0:51:21.180
exact stand and uh say October November
0:51:18.960,0:51:23.460
time frame and call in a big family
0:51:21.180,0:51:26.640
group of yearlands and get you a triple
0:51:23.460,0:51:28.680
or a quad yeah the same exact hand
0:51:26.640,0:51:31.380
well and that's just it everybody's like
0:51:28.680,0:51:34.559
it's so cruel to kill a mom or and and
0:51:31.380,0:51:37.140
I'm just telling you they're coyotes and
0:51:34.559,0:51:39.599
they need managed and you don't have to
0:51:37.140,0:51:41.700
understand the biology of it even though
0:51:39.599,0:51:43.920
we kill one of the parents or even both
0:51:41.700,0:51:45.720
of the parents once those coyotes are a
0:51:43.920,0:51:47.099
certain age they're they're taking off
0:51:45.720,0:51:48.480
they're they're going back they're going
0:51:47.099,0:51:50.280
to be able to some of them are going to
0:51:48.480,0:51:52.619
be able to survive they're just that
0:51:50.280,0:51:55.079
tough and they're that good at survival
0:51:52.619,0:51:57.359
and so don't think that by killing the
0:51:55.079,0:51:59.160
parents you're just you're you've
0:51:57.359,0:52:00.420
written those Pops to a death sentence I
0:51:59.160,0:52:02.280
mean I'm sure some of them are going to
0:52:00.420,0:52:04.440
die as a result of not having Mom and
0:52:02.280,0:52:05.460
Dad there but some of them are going to
0:52:04.440,0:52:07.079
make it they're going through some
0:52:05.460,0:52:08.400
resilient and that's the thing some of
0:52:07.079,0:52:10.859
them's going to die with Mom and Dad
0:52:08.400,0:52:12.900
there that's just how it is and uh yes
0:52:10.859,0:52:14.700
you know what it's getting getting to be
0:52:12.900,0:52:16.680
a pretty good stopping point I think Al
0:52:14.700,0:52:18.960
you have uh you have anything you'd like
0:52:16.680,0:52:20.819
to add before we close this episode out
0:52:18.960,0:52:23.280
we got the hardest working Americans in
0:52:20.819,0:52:25.920
Lewistown Pennsylvania pumping out great
0:52:23.280,0:52:27.599
units every day and we do it for the
0:52:25.920,0:52:29.520
coyote Hunter the serious coyote Hunter
0:52:27.599,0:52:31.680
I mean you look at the serious callers
0:52:29.520,0:52:33.000
the series contest callers across the
0:52:31.680,0:52:36.420
country
0:52:33.000,0:52:39.059
um buy once buy a Foxpro that's that's
0:52:36.420,0:52:40.800
it wow you're you're definitely a wealth
0:52:39.059,0:52:42.119
of knowledge you know especially in this
0:52:40.800,0:52:43.559
coyote hunting world and I really
0:52:42.119,0:52:46.559
appreciate you talking with us about
0:52:43.559,0:52:48.000
summertime calling uh hopefully you guys
0:52:46.559,0:52:49.800
out there you've learned something from
0:52:48.000,0:52:51.359
this episode and hopefully you apply it
0:52:49.800,0:52:54.300
in the field and give you a few extra
0:52:51.359,0:52:56.520
coyotes this summer well I can't wait to
0:52:54.300,0:52:59.460
share a stand with you John and uh show
0:52:56.520,0:53:01.440
these guys on Foxboro hunting TV how a
0:52:59.460,0:53:03.839
guy from Kentucky and a fat kid from
0:53:01.440,0:53:05.339
Utah go out and take these Fosters and
0:53:03.839,0:53:06.660
kill coyotes together that's going to be
0:53:05.339,0:53:08.220
awesome hey I can't wait we'll
0:53:06.660,0:53:10.440
definitely make it happen for too long
0:53:08.220,0:53:12.240
we hope everyone's enjoyed this episode
0:53:10.440,0:53:15.260
and we hope you join us again right here
0:53:12.240,0:53:15.260
on the Foxpro podcast