Jon Collins from FOXPRO and Joey Wirth of Close Encounter Guide Service explore everything you need to know about night hunting coyotes.
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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought
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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome
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back to the fox Pro podcast this is John
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Collins and today I am joined by Joey
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worth of Close Encounters Guide Service
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pretty excited to have uh have joy on
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the on the line on the podcast as new
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guest and he's a tremendous tremendous
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Predator caller joy we appreciate you
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coming on buddy thanks John I appreciate
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you having me yeah you um I've seen that
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you've been burning the coyotes up
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lately like you always do look like you
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just recently got back from a trip out
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to the Midwest out to Kansas how'd that
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go for you yeah it well it really was
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supposed to be a a scouting trip so I'll
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be guiding in Kansas the first two weeks
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of October so okay so I went up there to
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kind of kind of get a first look at you
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know a better look at the ground that
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we're going to be on but you you know
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out there you can't guide on public land
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so I always to I always tow a gun and
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camera with me and decided to do some
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self filming but right the uh the the
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the calling was good but the filming and
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shooting was complete chaos so I'll uh
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it it it it you know how it is self
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filming it's just you know if it can go
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wrong it's gonna go wrong but I'll uh
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I'll have a video coming out before too
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long everybody can get a good laugh at
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me so I I can take it I have thick skin
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I'll be I'll be looking forward to it I
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Joy you know he has Close Encounters
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Guide Service which he guides uh
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Predator hunts for it's more than that
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he has uh you find him all over social
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media he's got a tremendous YouTube page
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YouTube channel go check out his YouTube
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channel I watch videos I'm a fan of them
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and uh it kind of holds a special place
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in my heart because Joey does a ton of
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the same type of stuff I do which is
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self- filming so I see some of the
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challenges that Joey runs into and I can
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associate with it so it's always I I I
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really enjoy your content you put out
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because I can oh I bet this's gonna give
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him a little trouble or you know had
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worked right into his hands just like he
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needed to you know I it's pretty easy
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for me to see what how you had to set
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things up and how it how it played out
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it it takes a special glutton for
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punishment to self film all the time
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yeah yeah it's kind of it's kind of self
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filming and and daytime Coy hunting kind
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of have a lot in common I think you got
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to be uhon hearted and kind of
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weak-minded so to speak
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yeah that's yeah I'm gonna steal that
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for
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sure that I like that well Jo Joey tell
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us a little bit more about yourself to
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before we get right into the to the
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heart of this
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podcast okay um I live in Southern
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Illinois my entire life uh most people
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don't know I didn't start hunting at all
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until I was 30 years
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old U so you're talking about white tail
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no deer hunt no predator hunting know
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nothing what I'm saying nothing zero um
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yeah so I I grew up shooting um I had a
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grandpa who Grandpa and uncles who got
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me into uh shooting skate and trap at
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the local gun club and all that but I
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never had anybody who took me hunting
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and then as I got older I took a little
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bit of an interest in it and then
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um it
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just you know I always had an interest
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in it but I never really had the
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guidance right and one day I just
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decided I'm I I'm gonna start and then
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started with white tail um killed my
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first white tail in 2012 2013 and then
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killed my first yeah I was 2012 and then
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I killed my first coyote in December of
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2012 and then it's just been uh you know
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15 years ago if somebody would have told
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me I'd have had a job in the hunting
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industry I'd have said there's
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absolutely zero chance that would ever
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happen well you've uh you've picked up
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and ran with it that that's pretty
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apparent I guess you're probably one of
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the you know you've probably picked up
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on the sport of predator hunting and how
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you've advanced in in your calling and
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filming and everything faster than
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anybody I know I guess because you've
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quickly become like I said I have no
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problem saying this whatsoever this is
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one of the big reasons we've got Joey on
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here he literally is one of the best Coy
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colors in the country and I you know you
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you've done that in a short span so it's
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pretty it's pretty cool I appreciate
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that but I can't you know I can't just
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go out and say I was selftaught and all
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this I was you know I'm I'm and it's
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kind of Full Circle that I'm a guide now
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I'm guiding Predator hunts all year
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round fulltime um I'm actually the
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product of going on a guided hunt um my
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first coyote that I killed was in
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December of 2012 like I said and then um
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for the next few months I think I killed
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15 or 20 on my own and I you know I
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started thinking about it I was like wow
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I enjoy this I really want to get good
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at it um for no reason other than just
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you know sometimes you find something
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and you're a little competitive and you
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want to excel at it but I uh I started
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researching and finding people who were
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extremely good at it and I ran into Tory
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cook uh and the videos with mfk and I I
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call I called him up and I said hey man
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uh I'm brand new at this I really want
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to learn how to get better and uh do you
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ever guide because I'd be more than
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happy to pay you just for the learning
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experience and he you know he started
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kind of started chuckling andh he said
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yeah it's funny I was talking to my wife
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Tory Lynn this morning about it and I
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was actually thinking about starting to
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guide so um I actually learned directly
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from Tory cook uh the the the close
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range daytime stuff there in Southern
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Arkansas and um but that said I mean I I
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really had to take what I learned from
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him um you know I went on two guided
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hunts with them and then we just kind of
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became buddies and we've hunted and
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filmed together a bunch of times over
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the years um but I've I had to take what
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he did in Southern Arkansas and apply it
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to my terrain right right with shot with
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shotguns and then expand that out into
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you know daytime hunting with a rifle
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what how can I take that information and
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apply it there and then how can I go out
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west and do the same thing and how can I
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do it at night and so you know I I've
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got that very solid foundation Having
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learned to ly from Tori and ultimately I
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owe a lot to him in this aspect as far
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as you know having a launching pad to do
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something like this oh hey that's a
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there's nothing wrong with get a little
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help along the way that's for sure
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that's a that's a pretty good head start
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learning uh learning from Tory cook
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that's for sure and you know it's
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interesting you said you took some of
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the stuff that you learned from Tor um
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if anybody ever watches in Tory stuff
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from mfk it's they do a lot of woods
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hunting and a lot of the woods hunting
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is super super super thick and the
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briers and and you know just the
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thickest of the thick to get in these
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coyotes and I find it interesting that
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you took it to the Indiana Illinois type
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country which is mostly a lot of crop
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field type stuff and I see you in the
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crop Fields but it it still kind of
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plays into the plays in your hand the
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same way because if if any of you guys
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have ever walked into a COR standing
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cornfield that's just thick as it gets
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so I can see how you how the same
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tactics can apply yeah it um
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so tor's terrain is wall-to-wall
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Timber um and on the flip side of that
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where I'm at we're walled of wall corn
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and beans right and and you know and I I
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joke with clients that that are you know
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if they've booked a hunt they're
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planning on coming with me I tell them
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it's like it's like playing
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whack-a-mole they just pop up out of
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nowhere too right right yeah but it it
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does you know it does apply the same
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base Core Concepts apply whatever your
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terrain is those same concepts are
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always the same right right yeah I me
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like I said I mean you're in a
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hardwood Brushy thickets down there in
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Arkansas when you where you learn to do
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this and then you apply to these like I
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said there's nothing thicker than a
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standing corn field so if you can if you
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can call K up and bust them with a
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shotgun at Five Steps you're doing
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something right
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and and that's you know I love that
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challenge of you know there are times
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like you say we're literally sitting in
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the middle of a standing corn field um
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well maybe not the middle but you know
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several rows in using that open Edge to
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our advantage but it's it's a real
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Challenge and it it limiting yourself on
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where you can hunt you become much
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better much faster because it's that
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it's that Artistry of what's the wind
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where are the edges where do I put us
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where do I put the call where should
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you know it's like it's like a it's like
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a conductor in an orchestra he's paying
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attention to every section of his
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orchestra right and and it's it's a it's
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a lot to pay attention to but man when
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it when it works it's really satisfying
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oh no no that and uh we just uh a couple
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episodes ago uh we had a shotgunning
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episode with Tory cook and um and Joey
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is very very proficient very proficient
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with the shotgun stuff as well that's
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what we're talking about cusing these uh
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crop fields and stuff and we're going to
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have probably a followup as long as joy
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we can get Joey back on we'll do another
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followup kind of like a shotgun hunting
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2.0 with Joey speaking on that um but
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one thing that the main uh topic for
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this podcast is going to be over night
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hunting a lot of you guys are always
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asking for more night uh episodes um and
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that's that's one thing with joy here
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he's a year year round predator Hunter
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so like when the night season's out
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you're daytime hunting right kind of
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doing the stuff like what we're talking
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about now and then when night season
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comes in you hit it pretty hard that's
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kind of one of the main focuses not the
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I shouldn't say the main focus but
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that's a big part of your your guiding
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service is that
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correct yeah so the Illinois night
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season runs November 10th to March 15
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yep um outside of that we can day hunt
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Coy year round which to be honest man I
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I love having a a four night season
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because you know most well and it kind
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of goes back to what' you what' you say
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big uh big heart low short mind or
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something like that small mind You Gotta
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Be You got to be strong strong heart
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strong hearted and weak-minded
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strong hearted and weak-minded yeah yeah
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so so it takes it takes a certain kind
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of person to want to hunt in the
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summertime when the Briars are in and
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it's 95 degrees and and mosquito
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bual oh my God so so for me the summer
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months there aren't very many people in
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Illinois that get out and call them
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during during the daytime period let
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alone the summer months so for me those
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those summer months are low pressure
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coyotes you can't you can't call a
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coyote during the daytime right it's got
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to be at night yeah yeah coyotes yeah
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coyotes in Illinois don't move in the
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daytime right but uh yeah but so so you
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know the flip side of that is our
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Illinois night season come you know
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November to March we're also hunting
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unpressured coyotes because yeah
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everybody and their brother hasn't been
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out calling to them at night from a mile
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away no that's that's exactly right you
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see that you know I think it's it's that
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way everywhere I think summertime spring
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and summertime calling is has become
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more popular Nationwide but it still you
0:11:48.200,0:11:51.800
still have a tremendous amount of people
0:11:49.839,0:11:53.240
that only go like in the fall and winter
0:11:51.800,0:11:55.440
months and especially the winter months
0:11:53.240,0:11:58.480
like after they fill their big game tags
0:11:55.440,0:12:00.160
and stuff like that uh and you know and
0:11:58.480,0:12:02.000
if you have a night season like you're
0:12:00.160,0:12:05.079
talking about what' you say November 1st
0:12:02.000,0:12:07.200
through March is that correct November
0:12:05.079,0:12:09.680
10 to March 15 okay yeah say it's pretty
0:12:07.200,0:12:12.399
similar like my home state of Kentucky
0:12:09.680,0:12:15.240
uh we're kind of new into uh the night
0:12:12.399,0:12:17.040
hunting uh but we've got a similar uh
0:12:15.240,0:12:19.360
season I don't really know for sure the
0:12:17.040,0:12:20.959
exact date so you guys listening don't
0:12:19.360,0:12:22.560
take my word for it and just go try to
0:12:20.959,0:12:24.760
hunt Kentucky at night without looking
0:12:22.560,0:12:27.880
it up you know with fishing Wildlife but
0:12:24.760,0:12:31.320
I think comes in December 1st and goes
0:12:27.880,0:12:34.800
through the end of March maybe and then
0:12:31.320,0:12:37.040
there's like a a break through April and
0:12:34.800,0:12:39.399
then I think it picks back up like miday
0:12:37.040,0:12:41.440
or first of June for another so many
0:12:39.399,0:12:44.279
days and then goes out again like right
0:12:41.440,0:12:46.760
now we're out of it it's daytime hunting
0:12:44.279,0:12:48.240
only and we got most people's after you
0:12:46.760,0:12:50.959
know it's deer season so most people's
0:12:48.240,0:12:53.600
deer hunting which I am too but I'm
0:12:50.959,0:12:56.160
still going after the coyotes as
0:12:53.600,0:12:58.079
well I've I've I've gotten to where I
0:12:56.160,0:13:00.199
would just assume coyot Hunt is dear
0:12:58.079,0:13:02.560
I've you know being being in Illinois
0:13:00.199,0:13:04.320
and I'm no hardcore Deer Hunter but I've
0:13:02.560,0:13:06.920
I've killed decent deer and I just man
0:13:04.320,0:13:08.800
it just doesn't give me that same rush
0:13:06.920,0:13:10.639
you know we was talking about this with
0:13:08.800,0:13:12.560
somebody the other day and you know they
0:13:10.639,0:13:13.920
said you hunt all the time you get tired
0:13:12.560,0:13:15.959
of it and all this and we got talking
0:13:13.920,0:13:20.760
about deer hunting and I said you know
0:13:15.959,0:13:23.720
what I think I like I like scouting and
0:13:20.760,0:13:26.800
killing deer and the hunting part that
0:13:23.720,0:13:29.199
goes in between I with with the deer I
0:13:26.800,0:13:30.639
don't know I've just about had enough
0:13:29.199,0:13:33.079
never get tired of the
0:13:30.639,0:13:34.680
co I'm I'm I'm with you though I love
0:13:33.079,0:13:37.000
the scouting and I always joke with my
0:13:34.680,0:13:38.800
hardcore Deer Hunting Buddies I said you
0:13:37.000,0:13:40.480
know y'all y'all really just sit in a
0:13:38.800,0:13:42.360
stand you're really just dear hoping
0:13:40.480,0:13:44.120
you're hoping one walks by close enough
0:13:42.360,0:13:46.480
to shoot you're not really hunting him
0:13:44.120,0:13:49.440
you're just dear hoping right yeah I do
0:13:46.480,0:13:50.680
plenty of that they never like that
0:13:49.440,0:13:52.199
because there's half time I'm sitting in
0:13:50.680,0:13:54.399
a tree stand I'm sitting there thinking
0:13:52.199,0:13:56.320
like is there even a deer within like
0:13:54.399,0:13:59.839
two miles of
0:13:56.320,0:14:02.160
me de deer wishing I'm I'm wishing
0:13:59.839,0:14:04.199
right well let's let's get talking about
0:14:02.160,0:14:06.920
this night hunting stuff first thing I
0:14:04.199,0:14:08.360
like to ask you about joy and I'm like I
0:14:06.920,0:14:09.800
said I'm looking forward to this podcast
0:14:08.360,0:14:11.959
just as much as everybody else is
0:14:09.800,0:14:13.440
because I'm looking to really learn from
0:14:11.959,0:14:15.240
this because I've got very limited
0:14:13.440,0:14:17.079
experience night hunting and the first
0:14:15.240,0:14:21.759
thing I'd like to talk about is is about
0:14:17.079,0:14:24.639
equipment um in your eyes Joy what is
0:14:21.759,0:14:27.399
the most essential gear that a nigh
0:14:24.639,0:14:29.920
Hunter needs to go out and be successful
0:14:27.399,0:14:32.800
nigh hunting for cows
0:14:29.920,0:14:34.720
you know that I've put a lot of thought
0:14:32.800,0:14:37.560
into this right because I you know from
0:14:34.720,0:14:41.199
the lens of a guide I see clients show
0:14:37.560,0:14:43.920
up with all kinds of tripods and rifle
0:14:41.199,0:14:45.079
setups and Optics and scanners and this
0:14:43.920,0:14:48.519
and
0:14:45.079,0:14:50.399
and you know night Hunters versus day
0:14:48.519,0:14:52.920
Hunters the night Hunters we're really
0:14:50.399,0:14:57.839
gear heavy right you know we lean we
0:14:52.920,0:15:01.240
lean heavily into our equipment um to
0:14:57.839,0:15:05.320
me and it's it's a lot like fishing it's
0:15:01.240,0:15:07.120
a lot like fishing you know um you can
0:15:05.320,0:15:08.800
fish off of a bank and you can catch
0:15:07.120,0:15:10.199
fish you can fish out of a little John
0:15:08.800,0:15:12.199
Boat with a trolling motor and you can
0:15:10.199,0:15:14.759
catch more fish you can fish off of a
0:15:12.199,0:15:18.279
$50,000 bass boat and catch you know who
0:15:14.759,0:15:20.600
knows how many fish right but but if you
0:15:18.279,0:15:22.839
give the guy with the really good skill
0:15:20.600,0:15:24.399
set that little John Boat with the
0:15:22.839,0:15:28.160
trolling motor he's probably gonna catch
0:15:24.399,0:15:31.839
more fish than anybody right right so so
0:15:28.160,0:15:33.360
you know to me the you know so you can
0:15:31.839,0:15:35.199
you can hunt with lights you can hunt
0:15:33.360,0:15:37.680
with different ranges of Optics you can
0:15:35.199,0:15:40.240
have you know a cheapo tripod that you
0:15:37.680,0:15:42.560
get from a box store you can get a you
0:15:40.240,0:15:45.560
know what you know an expensive tripod
0:15:42.560,0:15:48.839
that's you know rock solid so but but
0:15:45.560,0:15:51.519
for me if you want to put up numbers
0:15:48.839,0:15:52.759
consistently um a quality call with
0:15:51.519,0:15:56.959
quality
0:15:52.759,0:16:00.480
sounds um your tripod your rifle that's
0:15:56.959,0:16:04.040
sitting on the tripod and and your your
0:16:00.480,0:16:06.240
optic or Optics and to me you know and
0:16:04.040,0:16:09.680
you you can make do with just an optic
0:16:06.240,0:16:11.240
on your rifle um or you know if you
0:16:09.680,0:16:13.519
really want to get into it having a
0:16:11.240,0:16:15.399
scanner and a dedicated optic on your
0:16:13.519,0:16:18.440
rifle I know I know there are some guys
0:16:15.399,0:16:20.600
who are doing it with just a a thermal
0:16:18.440,0:16:22.079
scope mounted on a rifle but but
0:16:20.600,0:16:24.560
ultimately they're they're missing
0:16:22.079,0:16:26.240
things you know you can't cover 360 it's
0:16:24.560,0:16:27.920
not fun being on your you know looking
0:16:26.240,0:16:30.639
down the the scope of your rifle all
0:16:27.920,0:16:32.160
night long and um but to me to put up
0:16:30.639,0:16:34.600
good numbers yeah I would say those are
0:16:32.160,0:16:37.279
the essentials right right well I think
0:16:34.600,0:16:40.000
it's uh you know I I liked your analogy
0:16:37.279,0:16:42.560
about bank fishing johnboat fishing then
0:16:40.000,0:16:46.440
you know big old sparkly bassboat and
0:16:42.560,0:16:50.079
you could take you know if you put money
0:16:46.440,0:16:52.880
into better equipment it can help you it
0:16:50.079,0:16:55.279
can make you better but there's that
0:16:52.880,0:16:58.000
threshold you know you can spend it's
0:16:55.279,0:17:01.560
very you know predator hunting in
0:16:58.000,0:17:03.800
general is an exp expensive sport um day
0:17:01.560,0:17:05.000
hunting can be expensive and then when
0:17:03.800,0:17:06.000
you start talking about night hunting
0:17:05.000,0:17:08.160
especially you start talking about
0:17:06.000,0:17:09.679
thermals and all this other stuff you
0:17:08.160,0:17:11.000
can start talking about a lot I mean cuz
0:17:09.679,0:17:13.559
some of these thermals are just
0:17:11.000,0:17:15.839
thousands and thousands of dollars and
0:17:13.559,0:17:18.959
you know if you can afford it awesome I
0:17:15.839,0:17:22.520
mean it's it's great stuff but you know
0:17:18.959,0:17:23.760
uh do you really have to have $50,000
0:17:22.520,0:17:25.439
worth of equipment and there's people
0:17:23.760,0:17:27.480
out there like $50,000 what's he talking
0:17:25.439,0:17:30.679
about dude you start adding it up if you
0:17:27.480,0:17:34.600
get like a or $18,000 thermal then you
0:17:30.679,0:17:37.480
get you A5 to $8,000 you know uh custom
0:17:34.600,0:17:39.600
rifle and then you know $1,000 worth of
0:17:37.480,0:17:40.880
tripod plus and you just keep adding all
0:17:39.600,0:17:43.600
that up next thing you know you got a
0:17:40.880,0:17:45.880
lot of money in that that that's that's
0:17:43.600,0:17:49.080
a fact and you and you know how you know
0:17:45.880,0:17:50.640
daytime's the same way so at at night
0:17:49.080,0:17:53.919
I've killed them with a white light and
0:17:50.640,0:17:55.600
a shotgun and yeah or or like you said
0:17:53.919,0:17:58.320
I've got you know when I guide obviously
0:17:55.600,0:17:59.559
I use very full high-end setups for
0:17:58.320,0:18:02.080
clients
0:17:59.559,0:18:04.200
you you can make it as inexpensive or as
0:18:02.080,0:18:06.039
expensive as you want it to you just
0:18:04.200,0:18:09.039
have to understand that there is kind of
0:18:06.039,0:18:11.000
a there's a there's a ceiling right the
0:18:09.039,0:18:13.520
last the last season I hunted with
0:18:11.000,0:18:15.880
lights was probably seven or eight years
0:18:13.520,0:18:17.840
ago I would have been eight years ago I
0:18:15.880,0:18:21.240
think this is my seventh year guiding
0:18:17.840,0:18:23.440
but um hunting with lights that November
0:18:21.240,0:18:26.600
to March time period just lights I think
0:18:23.440,0:18:29.039
I killed 60 65 coyotes during that
0:18:26.600,0:18:30.960
four-month period now I know no compared
0:18:29.039,0:18:35.400
to now where we're going to kill 300
0:18:30.960,0:18:38.240
plus with thermals um you know 60
0:18:35.400,0:18:40.120
coyotes with lights in Illinois is
0:18:38.240,0:18:41.520
pretty D good it's a pretty sign it's
0:18:40.120,0:18:43.159
pretty significant number you know
0:18:41.520,0:18:46.480
especially now guys are say you can't
0:18:43.159,0:18:48.760
kill them with lights and all that um
0:18:46.480,0:18:50.480
you know and and the daytime stuff is
0:18:48.760,0:18:52.840
the same way you can sit in the timber
0:18:50.480,0:18:54.960
with a with a well you could do it like
0:18:52.840,0:18:57.200
Tori do with a diaphragm and a beat up
0:18:54.960,0:19:00.840
old 870 that he got gifted to him when
0:18:57.200,0:19:04.000
he was three I've seen
0:19:00.840,0:19:05.919
it he's wrecked that thing to death or
0:19:04.000,0:19:08.559
you can go out and you can have you know
0:19:05.919,0:19:10.799
like my custom rifle and the tripod and
0:19:08.559,0:19:13.280
the high-end Scopes and you know it's
0:19:10.799,0:19:15.360
just it it is what you make it
0:19:13.280,0:19:17.200
and you know one of the things that kind
0:19:15.360,0:19:19.600
of got noted here is
0:19:17.200,0:19:22.520
like I think we had talked about the
0:19:19.600,0:19:24.799
most valuable or most important piece of
0:19:22.520,0:19:27.360
equipment and ultimately that's that's
0:19:24.799,0:19:29.200
going to be your skill set whatever
0:19:27.360,0:19:31.039
whatever you're so like if you take Bare
0:19:29.200,0:19:33.240
Bones you know you've got
0:19:31.039,0:19:35.720
to you know I don't want to say night
0:19:33.240,0:19:38.440
hunting I want let's say night calling
0:19:35.720,0:19:40.200
okay so to be a night caller one
0:19:38.440,0:19:41.600
essential is you got to have a call you
0:19:40.200,0:19:44.360
either got to have a set of hand calls
0:19:41.600,0:19:46.240
diaphragms whatever or an e call uh you
0:19:44.360,0:19:47.720
got you know you better be running a fox
0:19:46.240,0:19:49.799
Pro if you want to kill kill a bunch of
0:19:47.720,0:19:52.120
them that's right Shameless plug
0:19:49.799,0:19:54.400
Shameless plug that's right Shameless
0:19:52.120,0:19:55.840
plug and you've got to have something to
0:19:54.400,0:19:59.360
shoot them with right you got to have a
0:19:55.840,0:20:02.159
rifle so let's say your call calls
0:19:59.360,0:20:04.799
and your rifle or your bare Bare
0:20:02.159,0:20:07.159
Essentials you've it's without saying
0:20:04.799,0:20:10.280
you're going to have those so in your
0:20:07.159,0:20:12.400
opinion the single most important piece
0:20:10.280,0:20:14.679
of equipment for a night coyote CER
0:20:12.400,0:20:17.320
besides for your cause and your rifle is
0:20:14.679,0:20:19.480
gonna be your skill set yeah that's
0:20:17.320,0:20:21.280
that's it you can take somebody with an
0:20:19.480,0:20:24.039
exceptional skill set and they can go
0:20:21.280,0:20:25.840
out with with lights and and kill as
0:20:24.039,0:20:27.440
many with as somebody with a minimal
0:20:25.840,0:20:29.840
skill set who's running thermal I me
0:20:27.440,0:20:32.400
I've I've I've done before contest
0:20:29.840,0:20:34.760
hunting here locally and and you know
0:20:32.400,0:20:37.039
that said back when I wish I could go
0:20:34.760,0:20:40.120
back to to that time period hunting with
0:20:37.039,0:20:42.000
lights knowing everything I I know now I
0:20:40.120,0:20:44.240
I thought back then that I I knew what I
0:20:42.000,0:20:46.960
was doing I didn't I didn't know Jack
0:20:44.240,0:20:50.039
you're right you know yeah yeah you you
0:20:46.960,0:20:52.159
evolv so much over the years but but uh
0:20:50.039,0:20:53.799
yeah I mean i' I remember placing second
0:20:52.159,0:20:55.200
in a contest and I was hunting with
0:20:53.799,0:20:59.039
lights and everybody else was hunting
0:20:55.200,0:21:01.480
with thermals and it's you know you're I
0:20:59.039,0:21:04.679
think it's a great I think it's a great
0:21:01.480,0:21:07.159
answer to that um you know I know you
0:21:04.679,0:21:09.240
don't always have a bright full moon but
0:21:07.159,0:21:11.600
just we had one not too long ago and I
0:21:09.240,0:21:13.360
was out here in the yard with the wife
0:21:11.600,0:21:14.840
and kids we got a little fire pit out
0:21:13.360,0:21:17.159
here we had a little fire going and
0:21:14.840,0:21:20.320
stuff and I got to looking around dude
0:21:17.159,0:21:21.559
if I wanted a ky hunt the other night I
0:21:20.320,0:21:22.600
didn't have to have no lights I didn't
0:21:21.559,0:21:25.159
have to have no thermal I would been
0:21:22.600,0:21:27.799
able to shoot at least 150 yards and
0:21:25.159,0:21:30.240
identify that I know for 100% fact that
0:21:27.799,0:21:31.760
it was a ky so I think it's awesome that
0:21:30.240,0:21:33.880
you say somebody you know you can take
0:21:31.760,0:21:35.600
the thermal and the lights away if you
0:21:33.880,0:21:38.480
got something to shoot with and some
0:21:35.600,0:21:40.720
calls to call a Ked up your next Mo your
0:21:38.480,0:21:43.400
most important piece of equipment you
0:21:40.720,0:21:44.880
can have is a is a skill set and I think
0:21:43.400,0:21:47.600
that's awesome that's a great answer
0:21:44.880,0:21:49.279
that's a great answer and and I get I
0:21:47.600,0:21:51.240
get a you know I get clients of all
0:21:49.279,0:21:54.080
skill levels right guys who have never
0:21:51.240,0:21:55.960
kyot hunted to all the way up to guys
0:21:54.080,0:21:58.240
who hunt and win contests they're just
0:21:55.960,0:22:00.360
trying to tighten up a little bit um and
0:21:58.240,0:22:03.120
pick any kind of information they can
0:22:00.360,0:22:04.679
get yeah and you know I get a lot of
0:22:03.120,0:22:08.159
those new guys who have gone out and
0:22:04.679,0:22:09.679
spent $20,000 in thermal and gun and
0:22:08.159,0:22:12.200
tripod and they're like man we just
0:22:09.679,0:22:14.039
can't we can't figure it out so
0:22:12.200,0:22:15.919
ultimately your skill set Will trump the
0:22:14.039,0:22:18.360
equipment right you know and some of
0:22:15.919,0:22:20.039
these guys I'm sure they're just missing
0:22:18.360,0:22:22.200
one little piece or a couple little
0:22:20.039,0:22:25.320
pieces of puzzle to put it all together
0:22:22.200,0:22:27.159
and become tremendous coyote collar
0:22:25.320,0:22:29.039
coyote Hunters I'm sure I'm sure you see
0:22:27.159,0:22:30.880
that a lot you know just missing one
0:22:29.039,0:22:33.480
little thing to bring it all
0:22:30.880,0:22:34.960
together I've seen I I've had a lot of
0:22:33.480,0:22:37.799
clients that have taken what they've
0:22:34.960,0:22:39.039
learned and gone home and put it to use
0:22:37.799,0:22:42.559
and they'll come back again the
0:22:39.039,0:22:45.080
following year and and man it's like
0:22:42.559,0:22:48.279
hunting with different guys they they
0:22:45.080,0:22:50.760
they the information has become so
0:22:48.279,0:22:54.559
second nature to how they do it do
0:22:50.760,0:22:57.000
things now that that I can see a a vast
0:22:54.559,0:23:00.240
difference in the level the level of
0:22:57.000,0:23:02.039
Hunter that they are so you can take the
0:23:00.240,0:23:03.679
bare stuff let's say let's say you got
0:23:02.039,0:23:06.360
into the thermal game you got you a good
0:23:03.679,0:23:08.799
shooting rifle you got you a fox Pro
0:23:06.360,0:23:11.320
call loaded up with Fox Pro and mfk
0:23:08.799,0:23:13.120
sounds um you got your thermal on there
0:23:11.320,0:23:16.120
it's dialed in you got pretty decent
0:23:13.120,0:23:18.279
thermal you can identify well you know
0:23:16.120,0:23:21.360
you're you're dialed in everything's
0:23:18.279,0:23:22.919
great what would be the next piece of
0:23:21.360,0:23:24.520
equipment that can really benefit
0:23:22.919,0:23:25.840
somebody you think it'd be a scanner or
0:23:24.520,0:23:27.279
what do you think you know you got your
0:23:25.840,0:23:28.919
good skill like you said you got your
0:23:27.279,0:23:30.320
skill set your skill that's really
0:23:28.919,0:23:32.000
improved and all that so you got your
0:23:30.320,0:23:34.240
skill set you got a good shooting rifle
0:23:32.000,0:23:37.360
you got thermal what do you think would
0:23:34.240,0:23:42.440
be the next piece of equipment
0:23:37.360,0:23:44.919
that yeah for me 100% scanner um you can
0:23:42.440,0:23:47.640
the thing about thermal what's great is
0:23:44.919,0:23:51.039
you know versus our eyes my eyes are are
0:23:47.640,0:23:53.200
really terrible um I do not um I don't
0:23:51.039,0:23:55.400
pick Coyotes out well in the daytime at
0:23:53.200,0:23:58.960
any kind of distance if they're over 200
0:23:55.400,0:24:00.520
yards I'm terrible um now with the thing
0:23:58.960,0:24:03.080
with thermal and this is where you're
0:24:00.520,0:24:05.559
you're 100% right for me it's a scanner
0:24:03.080,0:24:08.559
um you can watch you can watch those
0:24:05.559,0:24:10.679
coyotes six seven 800 yards out you can
0:24:08.559,0:24:12.679
read their body language you can know
0:24:10.679,0:24:14.120
okay are those coyotes gonna gonna react
0:24:12.679,0:24:15.919
are they GNA commit do I need to move
0:24:14.120,0:24:18.880
closer are they circling down wind do I
0:24:15.919,0:24:20.840
need to adjust for that to me a scanner
0:24:18.880,0:24:24.480
and and you get night hunting you get
0:24:20.840,0:24:26.640
back doored a lot um so having to me
0:24:24.480,0:24:28.159
having that scanner is is something
0:24:26.640,0:24:29.360
that's going to definitely increase your
0:24:28.159,0:24:32.039
number
0:24:29.360,0:24:34.919
right what about
0:24:32.039,0:24:38.640
um what about your shooting platform you
0:24:34.919,0:24:40.760
know everybody talks a lot about um you
0:24:38.640,0:24:42.880
know tripods nowadays I'm running a
0:24:40.760,0:24:46.559
tripod I run a Fatboy tripod absolutely
0:24:42.880,0:24:48.399
love it yeah um what do you think about
0:24:46.559,0:24:50.120
and I don't have a ton of experience
0:24:48.399,0:24:51.840
with with tripods so it's one of the
0:24:50.120,0:24:54.679
reasons I'm asking because you see this
0:24:51.840,0:24:56.279
topic come up quite a bit on Facebook
0:24:54.679,0:24:58.159
and everything else with tripods you'll
0:24:56.279,0:25:00.279
see somebody that's and I don't think
0:24:58.159,0:25:02.240
there thing wrong with it but you see
0:25:00.279,0:25:04.799
you see some guys running some what we
0:25:02.240,0:25:06.880
would call a cheaper tripod setup you
0:25:04.799,0:25:09.760
know something that's not as durable or
0:25:06.880,0:25:11.919
what we wouldn't consider as uh steady
0:25:09.760,0:25:15.080
as the next one how important do you
0:25:11.919,0:25:19.159
think it is to have a good quality
0:25:15.080,0:25:21.360
tripod to go to tie all that together oh
0:25:19.159,0:25:25.760
having a tripod at night
0:25:21.360,0:25:28.320
one one being handsfree is is just it's
0:25:25.760,0:25:29.799
comfortable you know it's not being tidy
0:25:28.320,0:25:33.799
tied up with your your hands on your
0:25:29.799,0:25:36.640
rifles it's it's nice but you know I've
0:25:33.799,0:25:40.039
I've gone from using a
0:25:36.640,0:25:43.679
cheapo plastic tripod to aluminum to
0:25:40.039,0:25:45.200
carbon fiber um I Run Fatboy tripods on
0:25:43.679,0:25:47.720
everything I've I use them for both of
0:25:45.200,0:25:50.960
my rifle setups and my camera as well
0:25:47.720,0:25:53.679
yeah oh yeah yep yeah and having having
0:25:50.960,0:25:56.600
a shooting platform and that and that's
0:25:53.679,0:25:58.320
one thing um I see a lot of videos and
0:25:56.600,0:26:00.799
we all see it on social media and it's
0:25:58.320,0:26:04.320
it's like um you know guys that just
0:26:00.799,0:26:06.679
can't get steady and you know whatever
0:26:04.320,0:26:09.440
whatever ballhead leveling base whatever
0:26:06.679,0:26:11.720
platform you decide to shoot with um
0:26:09.440,0:26:13.240
having a a mechanism that can lock down
0:26:11.720,0:26:14.760
you know you bark to stop the coyote
0:26:13.240,0:26:17.039
coyote stops you lock down real quick
0:26:14.760,0:26:21.200
and you're you're on it you're anchored
0:26:17.039,0:26:25.120
um to me to me at night shooting
0:26:21.200,0:26:27.559
shooting is as important as calling I
0:26:25.120,0:26:29.919
know I know I know guys who stack big
0:26:27.559,0:26:31.760
time numbers on the competition scene
0:26:29.919,0:26:34.760
and these dudes are cracking coyotes at
0:26:31.760,0:26:37.159
five six 700 yards regular right right
0:26:34.760,0:26:38.640
and it's just like I I can't do that I
0:26:37.159,0:26:41.080
don't have that skill set yeah I've
0:26:38.640,0:26:43.279
killed a few of longer distances I I
0:26:41.080,0:26:44.640
don't I don't want to shoot him that far
0:26:43.279,0:26:45.840
I I don't want to drag him that far I
0:26:44.640,0:26:48.159
want to go out there and look at him if
0:26:45.840,0:26:49.960
we shoot one that far I'm pretty I'm
0:26:48.159,0:26:52.279
pretty lazy I don't care
0:26:49.960,0:26:55.760
the yeah night hunting has made me
0:26:52.279,0:26:56.840
really lazy so so yeah Tri a good
0:26:55.760,0:26:58.760
quality
0:26:56.840,0:27:00.440
tripod yeah I mean it's going to
0:26:58.760,0:27:02.080
increase your numbers versus say if
0:27:00.440,0:27:05.399
you're shooting off of shooting sticks
0:27:02.080,0:27:07.720
at night or I I even before tripods were
0:27:05.399,0:27:10.640
really a big thing I remember shooting
0:27:07.720,0:27:14.480
at night seated with a with a a fold out
0:27:10.640,0:27:17.559
haris bipod oh yeah and yeah and I mean
0:27:14.480,0:27:20.039
I I remember losing that there was a
0:27:17.559,0:27:22.120
time I had a quad in front of me and
0:27:20.039,0:27:24.960
standing up I could see him clear as day
0:27:22.120,0:27:26.399
and I'd sit down to shoot and nothing
0:27:24.960,0:27:27.640
there was just enough roll in the hill
0:27:26.399,0:27:28.880
where I couldn't see anything and they
0:27:27.640,0:27:32.440
were probably
0:27:28.880,0:27:34.000
70 yards they weren't far and that was
0:27:32.440,0:27:35.960
that was it that was it I'm standing
0:27:34.000,0:27:37.640
with the tripod from here on out and and
0:27:35.960,0:27:40.120
I even use them in the daytime standing
0:27:37.640,0:27:41.880
up I've seen pictures of you where
0:27:40.120,0:27:44.039
you've took pictur like in between
0:27:41.880,0:27:46.240
electric poles and stuff like that yeah
0:27:44.039,0:27:48.360
yeah yeah yeah that's plenty enough to
0:27:46.240,0:27:51.440
bust you up but that does seem like you
0:27:48.360,0:27:53.720
know U that is the norm now is just
0:27:51.440,0:27:56.960
stand straight up on your tripod and
0:27:53.720,0:27:59.320
shoot and I tell you what um this is
0:27:56.960,0:28:00.720
part of my seminar that I give you know
0:27:59.320,0:28:02.960
give several seminars throughout the
0:28:00.720,0:28:04.720
year and one section of it is you know
0:28:02.960,0:28:07.640
cuz one of the number one questions I
0:28:04.720,0:28:09.480
used to always get is once guys had a
0:28:07.640,0:28:11.519
little experience and was killing a few
0:28:09.480,0:28:13.720
coyotes I'd always get hey what can I do
0:28:11.519,0:28:16.519
to bring some things together and start
0:28:13.720,0:28:18.519
killing more coyotes well I always tell
0:28:16.519,0:28:19.919
them if you want to kill more coyotes
0:28:18.519,0:28:22.000
you need to make sure you're killing
0:28:19.919,0:28:23.519
every single coyote that you call up if
0:28:22.000,0:28:25.760
you're hitting all your Coy that you
0:28:23.519,0:28:28.279
call in you're automatically going to be
0:28:25.760,0:28:29.919
killing more so it's it's imperative
0:28:28.279,0:28:32.240
that you become proficient with your
0:28:29.919,0:28:34.720
shooting setup with your rifle and your
0:28:32.240,0:28:36.440
tripod if that's what you're doing and
0:28:34.720,0:28:38.080
you know and practice from that type of
0:28:36.440,0:28:39.880
stuff you know practice standing with
0:28:38.080,0:28:43.120
your with your you know your shooting
0:28:39.880,0:28:46.000
platform I think can go a long long ways
0:28:43.120,0:28:49.399
oh yeah so like I said too you know
0:28:46.000,0:28:52.919
having clients of all skill sets if if
0:28:49.399,0:28:55.279
uh if people saw as many coyotes get
0:28:52.919,0:28:59.320
missed as I see every
0:28:55.279,0:29:02.240
year like you gotta be stron hearted
0:28:59.320,0:29:02.240
or or weak-minded
0:29:02.320,0:29:07.240
right I bet I bet last year I watched
0:29:04.919,0:29:10.080
every bit of 200 Kays get missed oh my
0:29:07.240,0:29:12.120
go and and these and you know the night
0:29:10.080,0:29:14.159
stuff I remember I I counted I got to
0:29:12.120,0:29:16.399
like 140 150 and I kind of stopped
0:29:14.159,0:29:19.559
counting because it you know it is a
0:29:16.399,0:29:21.120
little discouraging but I you know these
0:29:19.559,0:29:23.480
are shots I don't count a shot attempt
0:29:21.120,0:29:26.159
unless it's under 200 and stationary you
0:29:23.480,0:29:28.760
don't shoot at moving yeah yeah yeah you
0:29:26.159,0:29:30.919
know and and but but you know you hit
0:29:28.760,0:29:33.279
the nail on the head I give a little I
0:29:30.919,0:29:34.480
give a lot of Grace when guys come here
0:29:33.279,0:29:36.840
and they're like hey I want to shoot
0:29:34.480,0:29:38.760
your setup well you know that's a tripod
0:29:36.840,0:29:40.559
they've never used maybe they've never
0:29:38.760,0:29:42.000
shot standing with the tripod that's a
0:29:40.559,0:29:43.799
trigger they've never pulled that's an
0:29:42.000,0:29:46.039
optic they've never looked through
0:29:43.799,0:29:48.519
they're you know being familiar and
0:29:46.039,0:29:50.640
comfortable with your equipment is I
0:29:48.519,0:29:54.120
mean there's there's no substitution for
0:29:50.640,0:29:55.679
that right yeah uh I totally agree uh
0:29:54.120,0:29:57.559
one thing I was want to ask you about
0:29:55.679,0:30:00.120
since we're still kind of on the tripod
0:29:57.559,0:30:01.000
type stuff here is is a I remember you
0:30:00.120,0:30:03.519
saying something about being able to
0:30:01.000,0:30:05.760
lock your head down what what is your
0:30:03.519,0:30:08.600
preference between ball head and these
0:30:05.760,0:30:10.600
level heads I've actually it seem like I
0:30:08.600,0:30:12.440
see most people are running a ball head
0:30:10.600,0:30:15.000
you know they're they're running a big
0:30:12.440,0:30:16.960
nice bulky ball head so I've got both
0:30:15.000,0:30:18.480
I've got a ball head and I got the from
0:30:16.960,0:30:20.960
Fatboy I think it's called levitate
0:30:18.480,0:30:22.919
levitate level head so I ran them both
0:30:20.960,0:30:24.799
just to see what I like and of course
0:30:22.919,0:30:26.519
I'm doing mostly daytime hunting so I'm
0:30:24.799,0:30:28.480
usually sitting on a stool a lot of
0:30:26.519,0:30:31.039
times and got you know the tri set up
0:30:28.480,0:30:32.840
for that um I tell you what I think I
0:30:31.039,0:30:35.240
like the level head better for my
0:30:32.840,0:30:37.399
personal my personal style what what's
0:30:35.240,0:30:39.840
your preference on it or do you have a
0:30:37.399,0:30:42.600
preference I I also run the leveling
0:30:39.840,0:30:44.960
head from uh from Fatboy and that said
0:30:42.600,0:30:47.240
I've used man I've used everything every
0:30:44.960,0:30:49.760
I mean all I've used hog saddle Pig
0:30:47.240,0:30:53.080
saddle you know leveling heads I've used
0:30:49.760,0:30:55.880
all of it now that said a ball head
0:30:53.080,0:30:58.519
generally will give you more elevation
0:30:55.880,0:31:00.720
okay um if you are shooting down Hill or
0:30:58.519,0:31:02.360
uphill at a steeper angle it'll give you
0:31:00.720,0:31:05.240
a little more play than the leveling
0:31:02.360,0:31:07.360
base will a little more versal I guess
0:31:05.240,0:31:09.960
yeah I mean and I've only had a couple
0:31:07.360,0:31:11.799
times you know and and you can offset
0:31:09.960,0:31:13.720
that too just by by lowering one of your
0:31:11.799,0:31:16.519
tripod legs or raising a tripod leg to
0:31:13.720,0:31:18.480
give you a better angle yeah so you know
0:31:16.519,0:31:21.399
it's it's really user preference I like
0:31:18.480,0:31:23.000
a leveling base um I just I feel a
0:31:21.399,0:31:26.080
little steadier on them I don't know why
0:31:23.000,0:31:28.039
I just it's me it's me it's totally me
0:31:26.080,0:31:31.080
you know cuz you can you can loosen and
0:31:28.039,0:31:32.880
that thing completely up and it's still
0:31:31.080,0:31:35.440
pretty dag on stiff you know it's not
0:31:32.880,0:31:38.240
too stiff you know what I mean it's just
0:31:35.440,0:31:40.440
you always got I shoot with mine yes sir
0:31:38.240,0:31:42.279
I shoot with mine wide open just because
0:31:40.440,0:31:44.480
there's just enough there's just enough
0:31:42.279,0:31:45.919
tension on there where I don't I don't
0:31:44.480,0:31:47.919
really feel like I need to have it
0:31:45.919,0:31:49.799
locked down to shoot steady now if I'm
0:31:47.919,0:31:52.120
taking a longer shot yeah I lock it down
0:31:49.799,0:31:55.760
and that makes a big difference if I'm
0:31:52.120,0:31:58.760
shooting 250 plus
0:31:55.760,0:32:00.799
um but yeah I mean I leave mine wide
0:31:58.760,0:32:02.519
open there's those those fat boy heads
0:32:00.799,0:32:03.880
have just enough tension you know if
0:32:02.519,0:32:06.519
you're if you're holding the stock of
0:32:03.880,0:32:09.440
your gun level and you let go it just
0:32:06.519,0:32:11.000
eases down it doesn't fall there's just
0:32:09.440,0:32:13.760
just enough tension and that's enough to
0:32:11.000,0:32:16.120
keep me Steady you know uh I like
0:32:13.760,0:32:17.840
calling coyotes in in close you know I
0:32:16.120,0:32:19.919
always consider myself a coyote caller
0:32:17.840,0:32:22.080
so I I'd rather shoot a coyote close and
0:32:19.919,0:32:23.880
I would further away but you was talking
0:32:22.080,0:32:26.240
about you know most of the time you're
0:32:23.880,0:32:28.840
you're just leaving it completely open
0:32:26.240,0:32:31.159
you know uh unlocked to shoot everything
0:32:28.840,0:32:34.200
unless you're shooting extended ranges
0:32:31.159,0:32:36.519
and I'm the same way but I one thing I'm
0:32:34.200,0:32:38.600
very guilty of and I let coyotes get
0:32:36.519,0:32:40.720
away from me sometimes doing this I milk
0:32:38.600,0:32:42.120
a coyote for everything he's got a lot
0:32:40.720,0:32:44.320
of times when especially when I'm
0:32:42.120,0:32:47.000
filming you know I want to milk him I
0:32:44.320,0:32:48.799
want footage of a ky it's none I I can't
0:32:47.000,0:32:50.120
stand can't stand calling one out and
0:32:48.799,0:32:51.919
just seeing him for two seconds and
0:32:50.120,0:32:54.360
shooting him you know what I mean I want
0:32:51.919,0:32:56.720
several seconds if not minutes of him so
0:32:54.360,0:32:58.440
if I ever get a Coy it's completely
0:32:56.720,0:33:01.080
comfortable being out there
0:32:58.440,0:33:03.559
and say he's just like 60 or 70 yards or
0:33:01.080,0:33:06.120
80 yards um and he's just out there
0:33:03.559,0:33:07.799
standing Welly I still goe I'll lock it
0:33:06.120,0:33:10.320
thing down and I'll like try to pick out
0:33:07.799,0:33:12.360
a tick on that thing's chest I'm aiming
0:33:10.320,0:33:14.480
for a tick not just a Coy you know I
0:33:12.360,0:33:16.440
want to just absolutely chill that
0:33:14.480,0:33:18.320
sucker and then boy when it locks down
0:33:16.440,0:33:21.159
it lock
0:33:18.320,0:33:23.880
down yeah I think I think part of the
0:33:21.159,0:33:26.120
like especially daytime uh night time I
0:33:23.880,0:33:29.600
if I'm I mean I I don't get the pleasure
0:33:26.120,0:33:32.000
HT very often as part of it um but like
0:33:29.600,0:33:33.440
daytime daytime I think I leave it open
0:33:32.000,0:33:35.440
because you know I've got one hand on
0:33:33.440,0:33:37.480
the camera and one hand on the safety
0:33:35.440,0:33:39.440
and one there's a lot going on filming
0:33:37.480,0:33:42.399
one hand on the remote and I need four
0:33:39.440,0:33:44.600
arms but um I think that's probably part
0:33:42.399,0:33:45.919
of why I leave mine open in the daytime
0:33:44.600,0:33:48.080
I never really thought about it well
0:33:45.919,0:33:50.480
you're more versatile that way I mean
0:33:48.080,0:33:53.799
because if it's if it's open you don't
0:33:50.480,0:33:55.600
have to reach up there to unlock it to
0:33:53.799,0:33:58.320
move on a Cy so I mean it makes sense
0:33:55.600,0:34:00.679
it's easier to track coyes that way
0:33:58.320,0:34:02.880
yeah yeah we know how coyotes are they
0:34:00.679,0:34:06.519
stop for two seconds move stop for two
0:34:02.880,0:34:08.240
seconds exactly yes yeah well another
0:34:06.519,0:34:10.599
question I got for you since we're
0:34:08.240,0:34:13.320
talking about equipment what would you
0:34:10.599,0:34:14.800
consider the least important piece of
0:34:13.320,0:34:16.440
equipment that you see a lot of people
0:34:14.800,0:34:21.119
take out there that they could probably
0:34:16.440,0:34:21.119
shed and uh and do away
0:34:22.480,0:34:27.040
with I mean a lot you see you see a ton
0:34:25.520,0:34:28.919
of people come through your Guide
0:34:27.040,0:34:30.960
Service you know I'm sure You' seen
0:34:28.919,0:34:32.159
everything from the bare minimum to the
0:34:30.960,0:34:34.040
guy that looks like he jumped out of
0:34:32.159,0:34:37.159
Cabella's
0:34:34.040,0:34:39.159
catalog right there's you know when you
0:34:37.159,0:34:40.679
get into that stuff it's really you know
0:34:39.159,0:34:43.320
personal preference
0:34:40.679,0:34:45.320
on everyone has their style of hunting
0:34:43.320,0:34:49.200
and what they how they like to hunt and
0:34:45.320,0:34:51.119
all that but um man out of those out of
0:34:49.200,0:34:52.879
those essenti I'm a barebones kind of
0:34:51.119,0:34:54.800
person I don't I don't take anything
0:34:52.879,0:34:57.720
with me that's not
0:34:54.800,0:35:00.320
essential um I mean I see guys with
0:34:57.720,0:35:02.079
lasers on their guns and some trinky
0:35:00.320,0:35:06.480
stuff and and I understand some of them
0:35:02.079,0:35:10.200
use it like uh def kill yeah yeah but I
0:35:06.480,0:35:12.320
mean I use my thermal for that but but I
0:35:10.200,0:35:14.400
I I wouldn't say there's a least
0:35:12.320,0:35:16.119
important I think I think more than
0:35:14.400,0:35:19.680
anything a lot of people are really
0:35:16.119,0:35:23.079
splitting hairs on the level live
0:35:19.680,0:35:26.480
equipment um a lot of you know thermos
0:35:23.079,0:35:30.920
Scopes particular a lot of the 384 stuff
0:35:26.480,0:35:34.040
now is is as good as the 640 stuff was a
0:35:30.920,0:35:36.240
few years ago right and it's I I think
0:35:34.040,0:35:39.320
there's a lot of
0:35:36.240,0:35:42.760
uh uh overthinking when it comes to a
0:35:39.320,0:35:45.040
lot of the equipment um really anything
0:35:42.760,0:35:48.119
outside of the stuff that we mentioned
0:35:45.040,0:35:50.200
as essential is just preference so right
0:35:48.119,0:35:52.720
um and I could name a slew of things
0:35:50.200,0:35:55.440
that people have brought on hunts scent
0:35:52.720,0:35:58.640
killer scent killer is the least
0:35:55.440,0:36:01.359
important that stuffff
0:35:58.640,0:36:03.640
that's always brought up in in a
0:36:01.359,0:36:05.599
seminar yeah and you know what's funny
0:36:03.640,0:36:07.160
the first time I ever went in torial
0:36:05.599,0:36:08.880
probably get a laugh at this first time
0:36:07.160,0:36:11.280
I went to go hunt with him I showed up
0:36:08.880,0:36:13.880
with a a bottle of scent killer and I
0:36:11.280,0:36:16.920
think two boxes of water foul loads to
0:36:13.880,0:36:19.520
shotgun k k if that if that tells you
0:36:16.920,0:36:21.160
how little I knew going into it he take
0:36:19.520,0:36:23.839
your steel shot and throw it in a trash
0:36:21.160,0:36:25.359
can he did yeah he hand he handed I
0:36:23.839,0:36:28.160
think he handed me boxes of four bucks
0:36:25.359,0:36:29.839
so here shoot these y said you can keep
0:36:28.160,0:36:31.319
your you can keep your water fou those
0:36:29.839,0:36:35.560
yep
0:36:31.319,0:36:36.960
yep what about um weal you said you
0:36:35.560,0:36:38.760
mentioned lights ear said you used to
0:36:36.960,0:36:40.400
hunt with lights and of course I know
0:36:38.760,0:36:41.839
you're a thermal guy now have you ever
0:36:40.400,0:36:44.119
had any much experience with night
0:36:41.839,0:36:45.760
vision where's night vision rank for you
0:36:44.119,0:36:49.839
you night vising guy or
0:36:45.760,0:36:52.520
no yeah I've I've uh so back in the day
0:36:49.839,0:36:55.400
um there was a period of time where I
0:36:52.520,0:36:58.400
actually ran a PVS rear mounted on a
0:36:55.400,0:37:02.839
scope um we killed a ton of coyotes that
0:36:58.400,0:37:05.680
way um I had a a d760 I can't remember
0:37:02.839,0:37:08.079
what the company was who produced that
0:37:05.680,0:37:09.800
um the thing the thing about night
0:37:08.079,0:37:13.440
vision and I I know there are levels to
0:37:09.800,0:37:16.319
it but um you know it's having an IR
0:37:13.440,0:37:19.319
light using that as an Illuminator to
0:37:16.319,0:37:21.280
improve your image yeah you can kill
0:37:19.319,0:37:25.440
you'll kill more coyotes with night
0:37:21.280,0:37:28.599
vision then you will lights yeah um for
0:37:25.440,0:37:31.000
me Target acquisition of a thermal
0:37:28.599,0:37:34.400
finding actually finding your Target in
0:37:31.000,0:37:36.880
the optic it's you know even even in
0:37:34.400,0:37:39.040
night vision if the coyotes not close or
0:37:36.880,0:37:41.599
not looking at you to give you eye shine
0:37:39.040,0:37:44.160
in a cut corn field with you know foot
0:37:41.599,0:37:45.760
tall corn stalks in it kyot blend in
0:37:44.160,0:37:49.560
really well especially if you're looking
0:37:45.760,0:37:52.240
through a green you know so yeah so for
0:37:49.560,0:37:56.440
me that that picking your target out in
0:37:52.240,0:37:58.960
thermal is hands down the better option
0:37:56.440,0:38:01.319
but ultimately it's it's personal
0:37:58.960,0:38:02.280
preference um one of the things about
0:38:01.319,0:38:05.920
night
0:38:02.280,0:38:08.960
vision I I shot more accurately with
0:38:05.920,0:38:11.319
night vision going from from day hunting
0:38:08.960,0:38:13.319
to night hunting with lights where the
0:38:11.319,0:38:15.079
animals illuminated I'm actually looking
0:38:13.319,0:38:19.560
at the coyote through my day scope right
0:38:15.079,0:38:22.599
yep yep into into night vision where
0:38:19.560,0:38:25.319
you're still shooting that animal that's
0:38:22.599,0:38:28.440
illuminated in a different way versus
0:38:25.319,0:38:30.960
the digital screen of a thermal
0:38:28.440,0:38:32.880
um man I I think I missed my first five
0:38:30.960,0:38:35.079
or six shots when I switched over to
0:38:32.880,0:38:37.800
Thermal really it was just that that
0:38:35.079,0:38:40.880
learning C hard I hear that a lot I hear
0:38:37.800,0:38:42.640
that a lot and and even with clients you
0:38:40.880,0:38:45.200
know I get guys they either take right
0:38:42.640,0:38:49.319
to it or they really struggle right yeah
0:38:45.200,0:38:49.319
i' i' I'd be on The Struggle Bus
0:38:49.359,0:38:54.680
probably I struggled bad I remember I I
0:38:52.560,0:38:56.160
remember uh there were times I wanted to
0:38:54.680,0:38:58.640
smash those Optics and leave them in the
0:38:56.160,0:39:00.280
field when I first switched over but uh
0:38:58.640,0:39:03.319
I'm glad I stuck with it because now I'd
0:39:00.280,0:39:05.000
never I'd never go back right right well
0:39:03.319,0:39:06.960
let's talk about let's move on from that
0:39:05.000,0:39:09.079
let's talk about this is going to be a
0:39:06.960,0:39:11.880
great great topic because I know I see
0:39:09.079,0:39:15.160
this all the time with everybody uh what
0:39:11.880,0:39:17.440
about shooting platforms boat versus AR
0:39:15.160,0:39:19.079
platform where you at I know where you
0:39:17.440,0:39:24.680
at but I want to hear it from
0:39:19.079,0:39:28.240
you man guys guys put a lot of thought
0:39:24.680,0:39:30.960
into that and I just it's it's personal
0:39:28.240,0:39:33.640
preference it's personal preference so
0:39:30.960,0:39:35.119
from coming at it through the lens of a
0:39:33.640,0:39:38.480
guide like
0:39:35.119,0:39:41.359
before safety is very high on my list I
0:39:38.480,0:39:44.720
deal with strangers and Firearms all the
0:39:41.359,0:39:47.880
time I I have had a handful of clients
0:39:44.720,0:39:50.119
who had a negligent discharge every
0:39:47.880,0:39:52.800
single one of those was on an AR
0:39:50.119,0:39:55.760
platform yep um where they where they
0:39:52.800,0:39:58.760
had shot at a coyote
0:39:55.760,0:40:01.599
um and either their glove got caught on
0:39:58.760,0:40:04.040
the or they got excited and just
0:40:01.599,0:40:06.000
accidentally pulled the trigger again or
0:40:04.040,0:40:08.280
yeah they forgot to turn their safety
0:40:06.000,0:40:09.640
off or yeah turn their turn their safety
0:40:08.280,0:40:12.520
on and they were unloading the gun and
0:40:09.640,0:40:15.280
fired I I've seen everything that can
0:40:12.520,0:40:18.640
happen on a boat gun too you know it it
0:40:15.280,0:40:20.359
it can it can um I do I do find that
0:40:18.640,0:40:23.079
since I've switched to bolt guns with
0:40:20.359,0:40:24.880
clients that it has been a not I won't
0:40:23.079,0:40:28.920
say a non-issue it's still possible but
0:40:24.880,0:40:31.119
it's it's less likely to happen um I I
0:40:28.920,0:40:32.880
also am of the school of thought that if
0:40:31.119,0:40:35.040
they know they're going to have to Rack
0:40:32.880,0:40:37.359
around they're going to focus a little
0:40:35.040,0:40:40.280
bit better on that first shot versus an
0:40:37.359,0:40:42.480
AR and and we don't we don't shoot we
0:40:40.280,0:40:43.920
don't take running shots very very very
0:40:42.480,0:40:47.160
rarely will I let a client take a
0:40:43.920,0:40:49.480
running shot um one one is safety
0:40:47.160,0:40:51.560
obviously right two ultimately I'm
0:40:49.480,0:40:53.720
responsible for where their bullet goes
0:40:51.560,0:40:54.960
I know I know how far right or left we
0:40:53.720,0:40:56.520
can swing I know what's in the
0:40:54.960,0:40:57.960
background I know where there are houses
0:40:56.520,0:41:00.560
I know right
0:40:57.960,0:41:02.400
you know so if I have two clients I
0:41:00.560,0:41:05.480
standing directly behind and between
0:41:02.400,0:41:07.480
them if you get four coyotes to run in
0:41:05.480,0:41:09.880
they shoot the other coyotes move and
0:41:07.480,0:41:11.760
they all go left when they both guys are
0:41:09.880,0:41:13.520
they're not they're not rotating left
0:41:11.760,0:41:16.599
they're pivoting around the center of
0:41:13.520,0:41:18.480
their tripod left and the guy the guy on
0:41:16.599,0:41:19.800
the right you know if they run too far
0:41:18.480,0:41:24.160
left they
0:41:19.800,0:41:26.560
get yeah yes sir too close so another
0:41:24.160,0:41:28.960
thing with that unless you know this
0:41:26.560,0:41:30.720
that's part of the seminars I do too I
0:41:28.960,0:41:32.599
always try to urge people away from
0:41:30.720,0:41:35.359
shooting at running coyes especially if
0:41:32.599,0:41:39.280
you're a newer Coy Hunter now if you're
0:41:35.359,0:41:41.400
if like if you know your ground well and
0:41:39.280,0:41:44.680
you know all your shots are safe and
0:41:41.400,0:41:45.839
you're a tremendous shot yeah go ahead
0:41:44.680,0:41:47.960
go ahead if you're good at making
0:41:45.839,0:41:50.280
running shots but I think for your
0:41:47.960,0:41:53.480
average Kow Hunter and your average
0:41:50.280,0:41:56.240
shooter I and this is personal deal here
0:41:53.480,0:41:58.839
I personally believe that you will kill
0:41:56.240,0:42:01.720
more multiple coyotes on standby using
0:41:58.839,0:42:03.920
your eall using your remote and presets
0:42:01.720,0:42:06.160
and you ever will shooting at running
0:42:03.920,0:42:09.560
coyotes I have been trying to convince
0:42:06.160,0:42:12.400
people of this for years um I've even
0:42:09.560,0:42:14.480
gone as far as like go out and video a
0:42:12.400,0:42:16.400
stand where I'll shoot one and then call
0:42:14.480,0:42:19.559
the other ones back in and not even fire
0:42:16.400,0:42:22.240
a shot at them just just
0:42:19.559,0:42:25.319
experiment yeah and I always get I get a
0:42:22.240,0:42:28.040
lot of clients who particularly at night
0:42:25.319,0:42:29.880
who are blown away either I can get
0:42:28.040,0:42:32.599
those other coyotes to stop on the way
0:42:29.880,0:42:34.880
out for a shot y or call them call them
0:42:32.599,0:42:37.599
back in i' I'd rather a client take a
0:42:34.880,0:42:39.680
shot at a coyote at 300 yards stationary
0:42:37.599,0:42:41.480
than a running shot at 100 anyway oh of
0:42:39.680,0:42:43.160
course and probably the reason they're
0:42:41.480,0:42:45.440
they're shocked is because they've never
0:42:43.160,0:42:47.000
tried it they see three KY run in they
0:42:45.440,0:42:49.079
shoot the first one think they got a MAG
0:42:47.000,0:42:51.720
dump on the other two but I'm telling
0:42:49.079,0:42:53.480
you guys just watch watch our videos
0:42:51.720,0:42:55.200
watch all the fox Pro stuff all my old
0:42:53.480,0:42:59.680
tooth and Claw stuff there's there's
0:42:55.200,0:43:01.319
tons of doubles triples quads I will say
0:42:59.680,0:43:04.359
it again I brag on to they killed a
0:43:01.319,0:43:07.480
quint The Other Day Quint that was
0:43:04.359,0:43:09.720
awesome hey you keep stay on that remote
0:43:07.480,0:43:11.960
guys you can really you can you be
0:43:09.720,0:43:14.960
shocked with the right presets the right
0:43:11.960,0:43:19.079
preset set in there uh getting cows to
0:43:14.960,0:43:20.920
stop slow down or stop turn around and
0:43:19.079,0:43:22.640
come running right back in and shoot it
0:43:20.920,0:43:24.079
closer than you shot the first cow
0:43:22.640,0:43:25.760
you'll be amazed what you can put this
0:43:24.079,0:43:28.040
is everywhere I've hunted all over the
0:43:25.760,0:43:29.599
country it don't matter where I yes I
0:43:28.040,0:43:31.440
mean we'll be in we'll be in Wyoming
0:43:29.599,0:43:34.079
next week and if we get chances at
0:43:31.440,0:43:37.240
multiples I guarantee you I can get kyos
0:43:34.079,0:43:38.920
to stop for a second shot or third shot
0:43:37.240,0:43:40.800
in Wyoming or have them running right
0:43:38.920,0:43:42.599
back in the reason I know I can do it is
0:43:40.800,0:43:44.079
because I have done it out there even
0:43:42.599,0:43:46.480
when I have people tell me that you
0:43:44.079,0:43:49.720
can't do it I know you can I've done
0:43:46.480,0:43:52.559
it and it's and it's it's really like a
0:43:49.720,0:43:54.960
mental emotional thing where you know we
0:43:52.559,0:43:57.240
put so much time and effort and money in
0:43:54.960,0:44:00.319
our equipment and we we put the kill on
0:43:57.240,0:44:02.599
pedestal right yeah in our in our heads
0:44:00.319,0:44:04.760
we're watching those coyotes run away
0:44:02.599,0:44:07.559
and to us that's that's an opportunity
0:44:04.760,0:44:10.200
that's just literally running away we
0:44:07.559,0:44:12.079
just we just yeah sometimes people just
0:44:10.200,0:44:14.440
can't stand it they have to let one rip
0:44:12.079,0:44:17.040
at it but man you can you can do things
0:44:14.440,0:44:19.160
on your remote so like that tx1000
0:44:17.040,0:44:21.800
remote's phenomenal so like at night if
0:44:19.160,0:44:24.480
I got a Coy coming in to Rabbit you know
0:44:21.800,0:44:28.079
ky's coming in mute the call I'll scroll
0:44:24.480,0:44:30.599
down to a how right oh be ready for you
0:44:28.079,0:44:32.520
yeah yep Boon loan wine house is the one
0:44:30.599,0:44:34.440
I've got on the on as number one so I
0:44:32.520,0:44:37.040
always scroll down to it so I'll mute
0:44:34.440,0:44:39.319
and unmute that coyote or the the caller
0:44:37.040,0:44:42.200
as that coyote comes to Rabbit well as
0:44:39.319,0:44:43.920
soon as they shoot I how that way if
0:44:42.200,0:44:45.960
they miss that coyote a lot of times
0:44:43.920,0:44:48.520
will go from a dead Sprint stretched out
0:44:45.960,0:44:50.400
ears back yep they they raise their head
0:44:48.520,0:44:51.839
their body language changes they lope a
0:44:50.400,0:44:53.800
little bit they start looking around I'm
0:44:51.839,0:44:56.040
like hey that kyo's going to stop be
0:44:53.800,0:44:58.079
ready for it to stop and you can you can
0:44:56.040,0:45:00.640
do things to Pro effectively get them to
0:44:58.079,0:45:02.119
stop oh yeah and you just made a great
0:45:00.640,0:45:03.960
point right there you talk about years
0:45:02.119,0:45:05.119
back that's something I tell people too
0:45:03.960,0:45:07.000
I'm not trying to make it sound like
0:45:05.119,0:45:09.400
I've never shot at a running cow of
0:45:07.000,0:45:12.520
course I've shot at running cows and I
0:45:09.400,0:45:16.240
have hit yeah I say I've I've I've hit
0:45:12.520,0:45:18.480
some and I've missed even more but you
0:45:16.240,0:45:21.000
can tell by reading these ky's body
0:45:18.480,0:45:23.200
language and and you made a you your
0:45:21.000,0:45:24.839
statement you said years back if you
0:45:23.200,0:45:26.400
read those coyotes when you got that
0:45:24.839,0:45:28.280
second third or fourth coyote that's
0:45:26.400,0:45:31.400
taken off or maybe the coyot that you
0:45:28.280,0:45:32.920
missed when he's taking off you can read
0:45:31.400,0:45:34.160
his body language you can tell pretty
0:45:32.920,0:45:36.319
quick if you're going to be able to stop
0:45:34.160,0:45:37.720
at coyot or stop him and have him turn
0:45:36.319,0:45:40.280
and come running back in or if he's
0:45:37.720,0:45:42.480
going to keep going if you see his ears
0:45:40.280,0:45:43.839
laid back just pinned back and he's only
0:45:42.480,0:45:46.440
like inches off the ground and he's
0:45:43.839,0:45:48.520
making rooster Tails as he runs if you
0:45:46.440,0:45:51.040
got a if you've got you know if it's
0:45:48.520,0:45:53.319
safe go ahead shoot that sucker because
0:45:51.040,0:45:55.480
he a't stopping but if he's not acting
0:45:53.319,0:45:57.079
like that you you can tell pretty quick
0:45:55.480,0:45:59.200
if you're going to be able to stop at KY
0:45:57.079,0:46:03.000
with a with a sound
0:45:59.200,0:46:04.240
change I I agree I could not agree more
0:46:03.000,0:46:06.000
that's pretty good stuff one thing I
0:46:04.240,0:46:08.040
want to ask you two things I want to ask
0:46:06.000,0:46:11.160
you on this rifle deal you talking about
0:46:08.040,0:46:13.280
going to a boat gun with your clients uh
0:46:11.160,0:46:16.119
have you have you seen a difference and
0:46:13.280,0:46:17.960
amount of coyotes killed at the end of
0:46:16.119,0:46:19.599
the season since you've went to boat gun
0:46:17.960,0:46:22.359
is there is there a difference the same
0:46:19.599,0:46:25.800
more or less or I know you feel safer
0:46:22.359,0:46:27.880
you said with them running both but it
0:46:25.800,0:46:29.880
would be hard for me to say because I I
0:46:27.880,0:46:34.359
do get a mix of guys who bring their own
0:46:29.880,0:46:36.119
guns and um last year last year was a
0:46:34.359,0:46:38.720
phenomenal year as far as how many
0:46:36.119,0:46:41.640
kyotes we called in
0:46:38.720,0:46:43.319
um I would say yeah I would say I would
0:46:41.640,0:46:45.720
say they're a little higher percentage
0:46:43.319,0:46:47.880
as far as shooting on my rifles yeah I
0:46:45.720,0:46:49.800
would I would say that pretty not by a
0:46:47.880,0:46:52.559
ton but I would say there's been an
0:46:49.800,0:46:54.040
increase okay well what about uh the
0:46:52.559,0:46:56.559
other thing I was wanting to ask you
0:46:54.040,0:46:59.880
about before we bounce off from that
0:46:56.559,0:47:02.119
from platform stuff is uh say you're
0:46:59.880,0:47:04.160
going say you are goingon to go pleasure
0:47:02.119,0:47:06.440
hunting this weekend say if you're going
0:47:04.160,0:47:08.319
to go hunt say the Eastern started back
0:47:06.440,0:47:10.559
up the big Eastern Predator hunt which I
0:47:08.319,0:47:11.880
know you've hunted before in the past I
0:47:10.559,0:47:14.760
think it's the first time I ever met you
0:47:11.880,0:47:17.319
was at the very first Eastern uh years
0:47:14.760,0:47:19.640
ago uh if you was going to go hunt that
0:47:17.319,0:47:24.160
uh you taking AR you taking a
0:47:19.640,0:47:27.280
boat Jo Worth hunting it yeah I'm gonna
0:47:24.160,0:47:28.920
take a bolt gun um well that the there's
0:47:27.280,0:47:30.359
not enough money on the planet they
0:47:28.920,0:47:33.839
could talk me into hunting a two-day
0:47:30.359,0:47:35.599
contest ever again because those thing
0:47:33.839,0:47:37.880
those things take years off of your life
0:47:35.599,0:47:41.440
you got too old
0:47:37.880,0:47:43.400
now yes sir that's that's uh that's no
0:47:41.440,0:47:46.319
that's that will never I Won't Say Never
0:47:43.400,0:47:47.960
but man I'm I'm gonna have to be bored
0:47:46.319,0:47:51.559
or desperate to hunt one of those things
0:47:47.960,0:47:52.960
but um yeah man I would use a bolt gun I
0:47:51.559,0:47:55.599
wouldn't change anything from what I'm
0:47:52.960,0:47:57.520
doing now you know and that said like my
0:47:55.599,0:48:01.160
good buddies uh
0:47:57.520,0:48:02.680
Justin repy Nate Stander kushman um
0:48:01.160,0:48:04.559
those guys are putting up massive
0:48:02.680,0:48:07.240
numbers we're all running one shot
0:48:04.559,0:48:09.040
rifles yeah bolt guns that's it and
0:48:07.240,0:48:12.400
we're all looking in that six millimeter
0:48:09.040,0:48:14.119
range something in the sixish you know
0:48:12.400,0:48:15.599
well that that was going to be my next
0:48:14.119,0:48:17.240
question so go ahead and run with it
0:48:15.599,0:48:19.240
watch you watch your caliber choices for
0:48:17.240,0:48:20.680
night hunting while you running what do
0:48:19.240,0:48:23.359
you suggest what you say to stay your
0:48:20.680,0:48:25.240
way from all that kind of good stuff I
0:48:23.359,0:48:27.880
I'm a keep a simple kind of person I
0:48:25.240,0:48:29.599
like a 243 I want a find a factory load
0:48:27.880,0:48:32.040
that that groups an inch or better if I
0:48:29.599,0:48:33.200
can find it I I want to shoot bullets I
0:48:32.040,0:48:35.359
don't want to make bullets I don't I
0:48:33.200,0:48:36.800
don't have time to hand load um I know
0:48:35.359,0:48:38.839
there are guys out there like those
0:48:36.800,0:48:40.960
other guys I just mentioned man they
0:48:38.839,0:48:43.480
they have their stuff down to a science
0:48:40.960,0:48:45.119
and they like I said they're we all the
0:48:43.480,0:48:46.760
four of us went went and hunted one
0:48:45.119,0:48:49.400
night I think we'd killed like 13 by
0:48:46.760,0:48:51.480
1:00 am just goofing off and I watched
0:48:49.400,0:48:54.040
those guys crack a double a simultaneous
0:48:51.480,0:48:55.920
double like 550 and I'm like man there
0:48:54.040,0:48:58.839
are not a lot of guys in the country who
0:48:55.920,0:49:00.520
can do that yeah and yeah you know
0:48:58.839,0:49:03.040
they're stacking numbers because they
0:49:00.520,0:49:04.319
are exceptional shots right I mean some
0:49:03.040,0:49:07.599
of some of the better Shooters are going
0:49:04.319,0:49:10.319
to come across but um you know I like
0:49:07.599,0:49:13.319
that six millimeter range I've man I've
0:49:10.319,0:49:18.480
killed him with everything from a a a 22
0:49:13.319,0:49:21.040
caliber handgun to a 308 maybe oh oh
0:49:18.480,0:49:23.200
Jake Jake from one shot we got a couple
0:49:21.040,0:49:26.520
videos out there last year he brought us
0:49:23.200,0:49:29.280
three 338 uh and then this year he
0:49:26.520,0:49:31.680
brought a 408 shyac so we've shot him
0:49:29.280,0:49:34.760
everything in between yeah you
0:49:31.680,0:49:36.680
know sometimes you get bored but uh SS
0:49:34.760,0:49:39.559
fun to
0:49:36.680,0:49:41.599
me YouTube YouTube uh they don't get
0:49:39.559,0:49:43.280
they're not real happy about those
0:49:41.599,0:49:45.599
videos
0:49:43.280,0:49:47.240
explosions that's right that's right but
0:49:45.599,0:49:49.240
you know that said just because I've
0:49:47.240,0:49:51.480
called and killed coyotes with a 22
0:49:49.240,0:49:55.040
caliber pistol it doesn't make it a good
0:49:51.480,0:49:56.799
caliber to use you know it it it's uh to
0:49:55.040,0:49:59.040
me
0:49:56.799,0:50:01.319
you know there's a lot of debate about
0:49:59.040,0:50:04.240
223s whether they're good for coyotes or
0:50:01.319,0:50:07.000
bad for coyotes and to me Bullet
0:50:04.240,0:50:10.559
selection is as are more important than
0:50:07.000,0:50:12.760
the caliber you're using um that said I
0:50:10.559,0:50:14.319
I stay away from rimfires completely
0:50:12.760,0:50:17.079
unless I just get bored and want to do
0:50:14.319,0:50:20.400
something different right um you know if
0:50:17.079,0:50:23.160
you're consistently wanting to you know
0:50:20.400,0:50:26.799
kill the coyotes that come into the call
0:50:23.160,0:50:28.640
there's really no such thing as too big
0:50:26.799,0:50:31.160
watch I've watched coyotes take a 308
0:50:28.640,0:50:32.839
and run away from it oh yeah I had I had
0:50:31.160,0:50:35.040
I had a bunch of clients last year with
0:50:32.839,0:50:37.440
65 Creed Moores they hit him and the
0:50:35.040,0:50:39.480
kyotes would run off um maybe run off
0:50:37.440,0:50:42.799
and die maybe run a 100 yards and die
0:50:39.480,0:50:45.280
maybe maybe just just carry it off but
0:50:42.799,0:50:47.680
from bullet selection shot placement I'm
0:50:45.280,0:50:49.000
assuming yeah yeah shot placement is
0:50:47.680,0:50:50.079
important and bullet selection's
0:50:49.000,0:50:52.400
important you don't want something
0:50:50.079,0:50:53.599
that's too frangible um and you don't
0:50:52.400,0:50:55.119
want something that's just going to pin
0:50:53.599,0:50:58.079
hole through either you got to find that
0:50:55.119,0:50:59.880
balance what what C I say people show up
0:50:58.079,0:51:02.960
and they bring their own their own
0:50:59.880,0:51:04.720
rifles all that stuff um which I'm sure
0:51:02.960,0:51:07.079
I know you have some guys that do that
0:51:04.720,0:51:08.799
is there ever somebody breaks out
0:51:07.079,0:51:10.200
whatever caliber is there any of them
0:51:08.799,0:51:12.079
that that when they bring them you
0:51:10.200,0:51:13.400
cringe and you're like ah maybe you
0:51:12.079,0:51:16.960
should shoot
0:51:13.400,0:51:20.040
M yeah no I'm gonna get some hate for
0:51:16.960,0:51:24.319
this I love it throw it out there I know
0:51:20.040,0:51:27.720
I know I know uh I have seen more
0:51:24.319,0:51:29.559
Runners percentage wise with a 204 that
0:51:27.720,0:51:31.680
I have any other caliber the clients you
0:51:29.559,0:51:34.200
ain't goingon to get no hate here i' I
0:51:31.680,0:51:36.079
hey I can speak with a 204 from
0:51:34.200,0:51:38.319
experience I probably killed like 300
0:51:36.079,0:51:40.960
some coyes with a with a 204 so I can
0:51:38.319,0:51:42.240
talk on them they're not the best if you
0:51:40.960,0:51:45.200
think they're the best they're not the
0:51:42.240,0:51:47.640
best telling you no no how many of you
0:51:45.200,0:51:50.520
watched run away from it too many too
0:51:47.640,0:51:52.680
many too many yeah and that's you know
0:51:50.520,0:51:54.559
and and even you know you look at guns
0:51:52.680,0:51:57.960
that are geared a little more toward
0:51:54.559,0:52:00.520
Hogs um you know you're 300 Blackout
0:51:57.960,0:52:02.559
your 65 grindle your 68 SPC that are
0:52:00.520,0:52:06.040
more of a hog style gun they're heavier
0:52:02.559,0:52:08.960
and slower um you know even with the
0:52:06.040,0:52:12.319
right bullet selection you can make
0:52:08.960,0:52:14.559
those good Kyo guns right right for for
0:52:12.319,0:52:16.960
me like I said I'mma keep it simple with
0:52:14.559,0:52:20.799
with a 70 grain projectile out of my
0:52:16.960,0:52:23.400
rifle 33 3600 feet per second somewhere
0:52:20.799,0:52:25.599
in that window I can the bullets I'm
0:52:23.400,0:52:27.200
shooting right now I can keep an over
0:52:25.599,0:52:29.240
under where I'm like an inch and three
0:52:27.200,0:52:33.400
quarters high at 100 and dead nuts at
0:52:29.240,0:52:35.400
300 so so if if I call that coyote in
0:52:33.400,0:52:37.119
and I can tell a client look just hold
0:52:35.400,0:52:38.400
hold in the middle you're gonna hit it
0:52:37.119,0:52:39.640
yep you know if you're holding on when
0:52:38.400,0:52:42.559
you squeeze that trigger you're gonna
0:52:39.640,0:52:45.640
kill it so you know you mentioned that
0:52:42.559,0:52:49.119
probably the caliber that I see debated
0:52:45.640,0:52:52.280
on it used to be 223 a bunch and you see
0:52:49.119,0:52:54.640
the 204 a lot um people would talk about
0:52:52.280,0:52:58.720
the 204 and they would say you know well
0:52:54.640,0:53:00.480
the the 204 and the 20 2 250 have almost
0:52:58.720,0:53:02.920
identical ballistics you'll hear people
0:53:00.480,0:53:05.280
say stuff like that well they they're
0:53:02.920,0:53:07.520
ballistically they might look pretty
0:53:05.280,0:53:10.240
similar but the way they perform once
0:53:07.520,0:53:12.599
they hit an animal like a cow is totally
0:53:10.240,0:53:15.119
totally different and it's hard to get
0:53:12.599,0:53:18.079
people to understand that but the O the
0:53:15.119,0:53:21.520
next big uh debate that I've seen come
0:53:18.079,0:53:23.160
up is the 6.5 grindle you I have zero
0:53:21.520,0:53:25.920
experience with it so I cannot speak on
0:53:23.160,0:53:27.640
it but I see that come up quite a bit
0:53:25.920,0:53:28.960
and there either it seem like there's
0:53:27.640,0:53:31.440
nothing in between people's either
0:53:28.960,0:53:33.240
absolutely loving a 6.5 grindle or
0:53:31.440,0:53:35.160
they're absolutely dogging it and of
0:53:33.240,0:53:38.040
course I'm on the outside looking in and
0:53:35.160,0:53:41.480
I'm sitting there like why would I
0:53:38.040,0:53:44.200
cannot fathom it don't make sense to me
0:53:41.480,0:53:47.640
why 6.5
0:53:44.200,0:53:50.559
grindle is an option for cow hunt and I
0:53:47.640,0:53:54.319
say that as nice as I can how did the
0:53:50.559,0:53:57.720
6.5 grindle get so popular for one
0:53:54.319,0:54:00.200
thing man people you know you know how
0:53:57.720,0:54:02.079
you can shoot that AR15 platform is that
0:54:00.200,0:54:05.280
correct I guess that's probably part of
0:54:02.079,0:54:06.839
it yeah and man like bullets will come
0:54:05.280,0:54:08.200
up it'll kind of become trendy and
0:54:06.839,0:54:11.200
people will you know there's a lot of
0:54:08.200,0:54:12.760
user bias a lot of confirmation bias
0:54:11.200,0:54:15.440
people want to be like oh yeah what I'm
0:54:12.760,0:54:17.960
using is the best but it's to me it's
0:54:15.440,0:54:20.000
like this there's nobody debating
0:54:17.960,0:54:26.920
whether a 243 is a good round for
0:54:20.000,0:54:28.640
coyotes no no Mount rore caliber
0:54:26.920,0:54:30.680
you know so like to me that's probably
0:54:28.640,0:54:33.119
what Teddy Roosevelt's going to KY hunt
0:54:30.680,0:54:36.880
with he's
0:54:33.119,0:54:38.520
on yeah if there's a debate about you
0:54:36.880,0:54:42.000
know if people are getting a lot of
0:54:38.520,0:54:45.079
different results and it's pretty
0:54:42.000,0:54:46.680
split then then it's not a great caliber
0:54:45.079,0:54:48.640
for it should it should alarm you
0:54:46.680,0:54:51.720
shouldn't it you should be able to see
0:54:48.640,0:54:54.319
that yeah yeah and you know and it goes
0:54:51.720,0:54:56.599
like back to the 223 thing I killed I've
0:54:54.319,0:54:59.319
killed hundreds with the 223 I've
0:54:56.599,0:55:03.160
watched a lot of coyotes run away from
0:54:59.319,0:55:05.240
say a 53 or a 55 grain V-Max but I've
0:55:03.160,0:55:08.440
never watched one take a step with a 60
0:55:05.240,0:55:10.400
gr noer ballistic tip right so right
0:55:08.440,0:55:12.000
there's there's a lot to be said for
0:55:10.400,0:55:14.319
bullet selection and there are a ton of
0:55:12.000,0:55:16.839
bullets out there that people can choose
0:55:14.319,0:55:19.640
um and the 65 grindle the same way I had
0:55:16.839,0:55:22.200
a my buddy Justin I remember I remember
0:55:19.640,0:55:23.240
him battling at battling with this 65 gr
0:55:22.200,0:55:25.680
man he'd shoot
0:55:23.240,0:55:27.480
him tendering him and the things would
0:55:25.680,0:55:29.240
run 200 yards and fall over dead and
0:55:27.480,0:55:31.880
he's just like man why are they not you
0:55:29.240,0:55:34.839
know kinetic energy hydrostatic shock
0:55:31.880,0:55:36.680
kills a lot of coyotes right um I want
0:55:34.839,0:55:38.079
them to just drop dead in their tracks I
0:55:36.680,0:55:39.400
don't want them to run a hundred yards
0:55:38.079,0:55:41.920
and we have to drag them an extra
0:55:39.400,0:55:44.400
hundred yards right I just I want them
0:55:41.920,0:55:47.280
to die right where they're at it's it's
0:55:44.400,0:55:49.160
uh but I mean ultimately it is it is
0:55:47.280,0:55:51.359
user preference if you have to use what
0:55:49.160,0:55:53.880
you have use what you have if what
0:55:51.359,0:55:55.319
you're using is killing a ton of coyotes
0:55:53.880,0:55:57.280
and there are other people saying oh
0:55:55.319,0:56:00.799
it's no good don't listen to them keep
0:55:57.280,0:56:03.799
doing what you're doing yeah oh you know
0:56:00.799,0:56:06.160
by there's enough out there yeah with
0:56:03.799,0:56:09.559
social media there's enough information
0:56:06.160,0:56:12.480
out there to know when something is is
0:56:09.559,0:56:14.400
ideal for what you're doing you know uh
0:56:12.480,0:56:15.720
a lot of these podcasts I always have a
0:56:14.400,0:56:17.720
section I always ask you know if your
0:56:15.720,0:56:19.359
life depended on it you know to save
0:56:17.720,0:56:21.359
your life for one shot what caliber
0:56:19.359,0:56:23.400
you're taking I ain't got to ask Joey
0:56:21.359,0:56:27.039
that because I know he's taking
0:56:23.400,0:56:30.319
243 every time every single time and the
0:56:27.039,0:56:33.520
reason the reason I do that there was
0:56:30.319,0:56:35.839
you know topics came up you know while
0:56:33.520,0:56:38.319
back on caliber choices people talking
0:56:35.839,0:56:41.280
about Rim fires and talking about
0:56:38.319,0:56:44.079
subpar Center fire cartridges and I'm
0:56:41.280,0:56:45.880
like why why you know sometimes kyes can
0:56:44.079,0:56:47.559
be tough to call up why would you go
0:56:45.880,0:56:49.280
through all the battles having dry stand
0:56:47.559,0:56:51.200
dry stand dry stand and all a sudden one
0:56:49.280,0:56:53.160
works out where you have one of those
0:56:51.200,0:56:55.000
magical stands where you call in a big
0:56:53.160,0:56:56.480
family group of coyotes and then you
0:56:55.000,0:56:58.119
don't you can't collect them because
0:56:56.480,0:57:00.559
they all packed your bullet off because
0:56:58.119,0:57:02.480
you shot something subpar and it's just
0:57:00.559,0:57:04.799
hard it seems like it's hard to drive
0:57:02.480,0:57:06.760
that into people's minds and like you
0:57:04.799,0:57:09.359
talking about you know there there's no
0:57:06.760,0:57:11.680
such really such thing as too big but
0:57:09.359,0:57:14.720
there really is that sweet spot when it
0:57:11.680,0:57:17.599
comes to Predator rounds K especially
0:57:14.720,0:57:20.559
kyot rounds you know that 22 250 22
0:57:17.599,0:57:22.760
Creed 243 6 millim range you know throw
0:57:20.559,0:57:26.440
the 220 Swift in there if you want to
0:57:22.760,0:57:29.000
although I see that come up a lot and
0:57:26.440,0:57:31.839
I shot I've been around a 220 Swift
0:57:29.000,0:57:34.599
years and years and years ago dad used
0:57:31.839,0:57:37.160
to have some um you shoot them in little
0:57:34.599,0:57:39.720
40 45 grain pills and they Splash on a
0:57:37.160,0:57:41.839
hide they're not always the best option
0:57:39.720,0:57:44.960
either and without that one and 14 twist
0:57:41.839,0:57:46.559
Barrel so you know there's defin you can
0:57:44.960,0:57:48.920
take something that's like the original
0:57:46.559,0:57:50.680
King of speed like a 220 Swift and it's
0:57:48.920,0:57:52.319
not always the best option unless you've
0:57:50.680,0:57:56.200
got the right twist and bullet selection
0:57:52.319,0:57:58.359
to be put into thems yes exactly and and
0:57:56.200,0:58:00.280
you know it used to be guys were coyo
0:57:58.359,0:58:03.720
hunting for fur well we all know the fur
0:58:00.280,0:58:06.319
Market's terrible and we're most of us
0:58:03.720,0:58:07.640
the vast majority of us are just we're
0:58:06.319,0:58:10.359
supporting the North American turkey
0:58:07.640,0:58:12.760
Buzzard we're not we're not skinning
0:58:10.359,0:58:14.400
coyotes and you know it's it's really
0:58:12.760,0:58:17.160
about getting rid of the coyotes in an
0:58:14.400,0:58:18.839
area because they're a pest right um and
0:58:17.160,0:58:22.160
it's fun ultimately it's fun is why we
0:58:18.839,0:58:23.799
do it but but that excuse doesn't really
0:58:22.160,0:58:26.160
hold water anymore because there are
0:58:23.799,0:58:27.839
bullets you can use now in a bigger
0:58:26.160,0:58:32.559
caliber that are not going to damage the
0:58:27.839,0:58:35.240
heights right yeah exactly like 20 22250
0:58:32.559,0:58:37.839
I've shot everybody knows I shoot that
0:58:35.240,0:58:41.200
um I've shot 24 I probably killed more
0:58:37.839,0:58:43.960
coyotes with a 22 250 than anything else
0:58:41.200,0:58:46.920
243 is probably next and then third's
0:58:43.960,0:58:49.240
probably going to be the 22 Creed um
0:58:46.920,0:58:52.079
yeah this and all three of those have
0:58:49.240,0:58:55.559
been known to tear up a cow you know or
0:58:52.079,0:58:57.480
have have that stigma the stuff I shoot
0:58:55.559,0:58:59.400
the the bullets I shoot with the twist
0:58:57.480,0:59:01.599
rate The Twist to the barrel that I
0:58:59.400,0:59:03.359
shoot I don't tear up many animals I
0:59:01.599,0:59:05.680
mean I've shot I couldn't tell you the
0:59:03.359,0:59:07.119
last time I shot a bobcat and tore it up
0:59:05.680,0:59:11.359
and I'm talking about shooting them with
0:59:07.119,0:59:13.480
22 Creeds and you know 22 250s at 30
0:59:11.359,0:59:16.599
steps and you know usually it's just a
0:59:13.480,0:59:19.480
little 22 caliber entry hole and no exit
0:59:16.599,0:59:21.240
and when I was shooting a 243 a lot the
0:59:19.480,0:59:24.200
loads and I I got a six Creed sitting
0:59:21.240,0:59:26.200
over in the corner that I take some um a
0:59:24.200,0:59:29.240
lot of times with the bullet selection
0:59:26.200,0:59:31.640
I'm using with my twist rate if I do
0:59:29.240,0:59:34.520
have any passrs it usually is with like
0:59:31.640,0:59:36.880
my 243s and 6 millim and usually it's
0:59:34.520,0:59:39.039
just a size of a nickel or something you
0:59:36.880,0:59:43.000
know about that size so it's not tearing
0:59:39.039,0:59:45.880
them up uh so you know it all really
0:59:43.000,0:59:48.720
there really is an equation there for
0:59:45.880,0:59:51.079
your KY size animals your Bobcat siiz
0:59:48.720,0:59:54.680
animals your Fox it all there an
0:59:51.079,0:59:56.200
equation of bullet selection Barrel
0:59:54.680,0:59:59.319
twist
0:59:56.200,1:00:00.559
and you know speed if all that isn't
0:59:59.319,1:00:02.440
where it needs to be you're probably not
1:00:00.559,1:00:03.359
going to tear up many coyot coyotes and
1:00:02.440,1:00:04.160
they're going to drop them right in
1:00:03.359,1:00:07.359
their
1:00:04.160,1:00:09.520
tracks yep exactly
1:00:07.359,1:00:10.839
right man we've been on here for a long
1:00:09.520,1:00:12.599
time and I hate to hold you on here but
1:00:10.839,1:00:15.079
I got like a couple more questions I've
1:00:12.599,1:00:16.880
got to I want to ask you so bad and one
1:00:15.079,1:00:19.240
of them is you're good one of them is
1:00:16.880,1:00:22.680
with night hunting what tell us some of
1:00:19.240,1:00:24.079
the most common mistakes that you see KY
1:00:22.680,1:00:26.559
Hunters make and the reason I want to
1:00:24.079,1:00:29.119
ask you that is because of the guiding C
1:00:26.559,1:00:31.599
and you take so many clients so I know
1:00:29.119,1:00:33.799
you see all kinds of different Hunters
1:00:31.599,1:00:35.559
different kind of people from all over
1:00:33.799,1:00:38.200
the country what are some of the most
1:00:35.559,1:00:40.720
common mistakes uh that you see some of
1:00:38.200,1:00:42.039
these Hunters making at night uh that
1:00:40.720,1:00:43.359
maybe somebody wouldn't be thinking
1:00:42.039,1:00:47.200
about they could really improve their
1:00:43.359,1:00:49.440
odds for night hunting CS um okay so
1:00:47.200,1:00:51.839
from from the guide perspective I don't
1:00:49.440,1:00:53.720
I don't really get to see how they would
1:00:51.839,1:00:56.119
set up where they would put the call how
1:00:53.720,1:01:00.079
they would so but what I do get to see
1:00:56.119,1:01:02.480
as them shoot yes and i' I've put a lot
1:01:00.079,1:01:03.680
of thought into how can I make them
1:01:02.480,1:01:06.000
better
1:01:03.680,1:01:08.240
shots that way there's a higher because
1:01:06.000,1:01:09.920
it's mean it it's a lot of work to do
1:01:08.240,1:01:13.039
The Scouting and call these coyotes in
1:01:09.920,1:01:16.119
and have them run away educated
1:01:13.039,1:01:18.200
um the the biggest thing with these
1:01:16.119,1:01:22.160
Optics these thermal optics it's really
1:01:18.200,1:01:25.160
easy to get lazy in them and I I I I
1:01:22.160,1:01:26.960
would say shot selection and I think I
1:01:25.160,1:01:29.799
probably mean shot about timing more
1:01:26.960,1:01:32.440
than selection yep um like we talked
1:01:29.799,1:01:34.319
about earlier a ky will come in um I'll
1:01:32.440,1:01:35.720
usually howl or whimper on a diaphragm
1:01:34.319,1:01:38.039
to get it to stop or I'll howl on the
1:01:35.720,1:01:41.160
e-collar which is a way from us to keep
1:01:38.039,1:01:43.680
the attention away um so I'll get the
1:01:41.160,1:01:46.240
coyote to stop and then the clients will
1:01:43.680,1:01:48.240
be settling in and the KY will take a
1:01:46.240,1:01:50.599
step boom and they'll shoot right behind
1:01:48.240,1:01:53.319
or over right where you know they'll
1:01:50.599,1:01:55.440
just miss as the coyote takes a step
1:01:53.319,1:01:57.200
right right and I I started I started
1:01:55.440,1:01:58.880
thinking that I'm like I'm like What's
1:01:57.200,1:01:59.960
the difference between how I would have
1:01:58.880,1:02:02.400
killed that and how they would have
1:01:59.960,1:02:05.319
killed it well when that Coyote's coming
1:02:02.400,1:02:06.720
in clients because what's nice about The
1:02:05.319,1:02:09.680
Thermals is they have the option to
1:02:06.720,1:02:11.920
record so I record a lot of their you
1:02:09.680,1:02:14.079
know a lot of the Hunts and going back
1:02:11.920,1:02:15.480
and watching them Coyote's coming in and
1:02:14.079,1:02:17.119
it's getting in range and I'll say to
1:02:15.480,1:02:19.880
them hey I'm getting ready to stop it
1:02:17.119,1:02:22.319
are you ready yes well when I say that I
1:02:19.880,1:02:25.279
notice that the coyote is just somewhere
1:02:22.319,1:02:27.039
in their sight picture versus when I'm
1:02:25.279,1:02:29.839
getting ready to kill it my crosshairs
1:02:27.039,1:02:33.079
are on the coyotes anticipating them
1:02:29.839,1:02:35.440
stopping right so so you know my
1:02:33.079,1:02:39.119
crosshairs are on it the Kyo stops
1:02:35.440,1:02:42.920
within within a second he's dead versus
1:02:39.119,1:02:44.279
a lot of clients I see you know the
1:02:42.920,1:02:46.599
Coyote's in their sight picture
1:02:44.279,1:02:48.119
somewhere I'm gonna stop it okay stop
1:02:46.599,1:02:50.200
the coyote now they're moving their
1:02:48.119,1:02:51.920
crosshairs to the coyote yeah right now
1:02:50.200,1:02:53.839
they're taking time to settle settle in
1:02:51.920,1:02:56.119
and now the Coyote's moving again just a
1:02:53.839,1:02:58.079
step I
1:02:56.119,1:03:00.559
I would say I would say the timing of
1:02:58.079,1:03:03.000
when they choose to shoot is probably
1:03:00.559,1:03:04.559
the biggest mistake I see them make
1:03:03.000,1:03:07.319
interesting
1:03:04.559,1:03:09.240
interesting well let me ask you this is
1:03:07.319,1:03:10.960
it is there any possibility I'm GNA be
1:03:09.240,1:03:13.279
able to get you on this podcast another
1:03:10.960,1:03:15.680
time or two this has been awesome
1:03:13.279,1:03:17.599
podcast I'd love to have you on guest
1:03:15.680,1:03:20.760
again another time or two if you've got
1:03:17.599,1:03:22.799
the time to do it I I think I could
1:03:20.760,1:03:24.760
probably probably do another podcast or
1:03:22.799,1:03:26.319
two I'd be happy to well I tell what I'd
1:03:24.760,1:03:27.680
like to do I'd like to
1:03:26.319,1:03:30.119
there's cuz there's some other stuff I
1:03:27.680,1:03:31.760
like to is you know I'd keep you on here
1:03:30.119,1:03:36.000
the whole time but I know you got stuff
1:03:31.760,1:03:38.480
to do and I you know he get too long um
1:03:36.000,1:03:40.559
I'd like to have you on for this oh yeah
1:03:38.480,1:03:42.440
I know it I'd love to do this pick up
1:03:40.559,1:03:44.599
right where we left off to a part two
1:03:42.440,1:03:46.559
with you Joy then we can start talking
1:03:44.599,1:03:48.240
about some of your calling style and
1:03:46.559,1:03:49.920
that type of stuff because you've man
1:03:48.240,1:03:52.200
you've you've shared a wealth of
1:03:49.920,1:03:54.119
knowledge on here uh with this episode
1:03:52.200,1:03:55.839
and I really appreciate you coming on
1:03:54.119,1:03:57.359
I'd love to continue it for a part two
1:03:55.839,1:04:00.119
if we can get you to come back
1:03:57.359,1:04:02.400
on yeah sure just just say when I'd be
1:04:00.119,1:04:04.200
happy to do it we're going to do that
1:04:02.400,1:04:07.920
I've got several more questions here for
1:04:04.200,1:04:10.920
Joy I've got stuff about you know ecall
1:04:07.920,1:04:12.680
placement for night hunting and you know
1:04:10.920,1:04:15.160
all kinds of different stuff far as
1:04:12.680,1:04:17.359
calling strategies and calling Styles
1:04:15.160,1:04:19.480
and all this we GNA try to pry out of
1:04:17.359,1:04:21.279
his out of his mind if he'll share it
1:04:19.480,1:04:24.000
with us and I think it'll be good for a
1:04:21.279,1:04:26.960
for a part two for a part
1:04:24.000,1:04:29.319
two oh man it's been a great podcast Jo
1:04:26.960,1:04:32.640
I appreciate you coming on man I really
1:04:29.319,1:04:34.960
appreciate this so you're uh you start
1:04:32.640,1:04:36.599
guiding you start guiding here just this
1:04:34.960,1:04:38.880
is like at the end of September guys
1:04:36.599,1:04:40.760
when we're uh recording this and because
1:04:38.880,1:04:42.319
Joy's got stuff coming up I've got a
1:04:40.760,1:04:44.839
couple trips coming up so you start
1:04:42.319,1:04:47.319
guiding here uh you said in October
1:04:44.839,1:04:49.839
right first couple weeks of October in
1:04:47.319,1:04:52.000
Kansas yeah so I've I've been doing the
1:04:49.839,1:04:54.279
daytime shotgun stuff in Illinois all
1:04:52.000,1:04:56.359
summer long and now I've got um I'll
1:04:54.279,1:04:58.440
leave for Kansas on Friday and I'll be
1:04:56.359,1:05:00.680
there till the 15th guiding out there
1:04:58.440,1:05:02.599
and then when I come back I've got a
1:05:00.680,1:05:04.160
couple more day hunts in Illinois and
1:05:02.599,1:05:07.119
then I'll start our night season
1:05:04.160,1:05:09.839
November 10th and it's it that that gets
1:05:07.119,1:05:11.400
to be a really busy time of year right
1:05:09.839,1:05:13.839
right well tell everybody where they can
1:05:11.400,1:05:15.279
find yet on your Social Media stuff
1:05:13.839,1:05:16.640
YouTube how they can get in touch with
1:05:15.279,1:05:18.160
you if they want to book hunt let them
1:05:16.640,1:05:21.279
know about that before we get out of
1:05:18.160,1:05:24.279
here sure um easiest way to get a hold
1:05:21.279,1:05:26.279
of me is Joseph worth on Facebook um I
1:05:24.279,1:05:29.160
probably use that social media more than
1:05:26.279,1:05:31.880
anything uh YouTube is close encounter
1:05:29.160,1:05:33.799
Predator hunts um I have an Instagram
1:05:31.880,1:05:35.359
and I have a business page for but I I
1:05:33.799,1:05:37.359
have a tendency of forgetting that they
1:05:35.359,1:05:39.119
exist so Facebook and YouTube are
1:05:37.359,1:05:43.000
probably the easiest ways to either see
1:05:39.119,1:05:44.680
the content or get a hold of me hey guys
1:05:43.000,1:05:47.400
if you're interested in getting a hunt
1:05:44.680,1:05:50.480
book somewhere for a Quality quality
1:05:47.400,1:05:52.160
hunt with a quality Hunter iert Joy get
1:05:50.480,1:05:54.720
hooked up with that if you want to watch
1:05:52.160,1:05:57.440
some Coy hunting go check out Joy's
1:05:54.720,1:06:00.359
YouTube page I'm a fan of it I subscribe
1:05:57.440,1:06:03.039
to it I watch it I don't watch a ton of
1:06:00.359,1:06:05.279
everybody else's Coy hunting uh but but
1:06:03.039,1:06:07.640
Jo's Joy's YouTube channel is one of
1:06:05.279,1:06:10.279
them I do watch so a lot of awesome
1:06:07.640,1:06:13.640
action and hey go watch our YouTube as
1:06:10.279,1:06:16.400
well Fox Pro in on YouTube tons and tons
1:06:13.640,1:06:19.200
and tons and tons of videos we load one
1:06:16.400,1:06:20.760
at least one up every single week Joy
1:06:19.200,1:06:23.000
again we appreciate you coming on here
1:06:20.760,1:06:24.319
we hope everyone enjoyed this episode we
1:06:23.000,1:06:27.559
hope you join us again right here on the
1:06:24.319,1:06:27.559
fox Pro podcast