The FOXPRO Podcast

Ep. 58: Talking Night Hunting with Joey Wirth

Episode Summary

Jon Collins from FOXPRO and Joey Wirth of Close Encounter Guide Service explore everything you need to know about night hunting coyotes.

Episode Transcription

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welcome to the fox Pro podcast brought

 

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to you by Fox Pro game calls welcome

 

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back to the fox Pro podcast this is John

 

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Collins and today I am joined by Joey

 

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worth of Close Encounters Guide Service

 

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pretty excited to have uh have joy on

 

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the on the line on the podcast as new

 

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guest and he's a tremendous tremendous

 

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Predator caller joy we appreciate you

 

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coming on buddy thanks John I appreciate

 

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you having me yeah you um I've seen that

 

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you've been burning the coyotes up

 

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lately like you always do look like you

 

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just recently got back from a trip out

 

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to the Midwest out to Kansas how'd that

 

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go for you yeah it well it really was

 

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supposed to be a a scouting trip so I'll

 

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be guiding in Kansas the first two weeks

 

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of October so okay so I went up there to

 

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kind of kind of get a first look at you

 

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know a better look at the ground that

 

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we're going to be on but you you know

 

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out there you can't guide on public land

 

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so I always to I always tow a gun and

 

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camera with me and decided to do some

 

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self filming but right the uh the the

 

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the calling was good but the filming and

 

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shooting was complete chaos so I'll uh

 

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it it it it you know how it is self

 

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filming it's just you know if it can go

 

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wrong it's gonna go wrong but I'll uh

 

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I'll have a video coming out before too

 

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long everybody can get a good laugh at

 

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me so I I can take it I have thick skin

 

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I'll be I'll be looking forward to it I

 

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Joy you know he has Close Encounters

 

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Guide Service which he guides uh

 

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Predator hunts for it's more than that

 

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he has uh you find him all over social

 

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media he's got a tremendous YouTube page

 

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YouTube channel go check out his YouTube

 

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channel I watch videos I'm a fan of them

 

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and uh it kind of holds a special place

 

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in my heart because Joey does a ton of

 

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the same type of stuff I do which is

 

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self- filming so I see some of the

 

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challenges that Joey runs into and I can

 

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associate with it so it's always I I I

 

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really enjoy your content you put out

 

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because I can oh I bet this's gonna give

 

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him a little trouble or you know had

 

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worked right into his hands just like he

 

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needed to you know I it's pretty easy

 

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for me to see what how you had to set

 

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things up and how it how it played out

 

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it it takes a special glutton for

 

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punishment to self film all the time

 

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yeah yeah it's kind of it's kind of self

 

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filming and and daytime Coy hunting kind

 

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of have a lot in common I think you got

 

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to be uhon hearted and kind of

 

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weak-minded so to speak

 

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yeah that's yeah I'm gonna steal that

 

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for

 

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sure that I like that well Jo Joey tell

 

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us a little bit more about yourself to

 

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before we get right into the to the

 

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heart of this

 

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podcast okay um I live in Southern

 

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Illinois my entire life uh most people

 

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don't know I didn't start hunting at all

 

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until I was 30 years

 

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old U so you're talking about white tail

 

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no deer hunt no predator hunting know

 

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nothing what I'm saying nothing zero um

 

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yeah so I I grew up shooting um I had a

 

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grandpa who Grandpa and uncles who got

 

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me into uh shooting skate and trap at

 

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the local gun club and all that but I

 

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never had anybody who took me hunting

 

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and then as I got older I took a little

 

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bit of an interest in it and then

 

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um it

 

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just you know I always had an interest

 

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in it but I never really had the

 

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guidance right and one day I just

 

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decided I'm I I'm gonna start and then

 

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started with white tail um killed my

 

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first white tail in 2012 2013 and then

 

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killed my first yeah I was 2012 and then

 

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I killed my first coyote in December of

 

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2012 and then it's just been uh you know

 

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15 years ago if somebody would have told

 

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me I'd have had a job in the hunting

 

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industry I'd have said there's

 

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absolutely zero chance that would ever

 

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happen well you've uh you've picked up

 

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and ran with it that that's pretty

 

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apparent I guess you're probably one of

 

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the you know you've probably picked up

 

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on the sport of predator hunting and how

 

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you've advanced in in your calling and

 

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filming and everything faster than

 

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anybody I know I guess because you've

 

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quickly become like I said I have no

 

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problem saying this whatsoever this is

 

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one of the big reasons we've got Joey on

 

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here he literally is one of the best Coy

 

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colors in the country and I you know you

 

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you've done that in a short span so it's

 

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pretty it's pretty cool I appreciate

 

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that but I can't you know I can't just

 

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go out and say I was selftaught and all

 

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this I was you know I'm I'm and it's

 

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kind of Full Circle that I'm a guide now

 

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I'm guiding Predator hunts all year

 

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round fulltime um I'm actually the

 

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product of going on a guided hunt um my

 

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first coyote that I killed was in

 

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December of 2012 like I said and then um

 

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for the next few months I think I killed

 

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15 or 20 on my own and I you know I

 

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started thinking about it I was like wow

 

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I enjoy this I really want to get good

 

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at it um for no reason other than just

 

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you know sometimes you find something

 

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and you're a little competitive and you

 

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want to excel at it but I uh I started

 

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researching and finding people who were

 

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extremely good at it and I ran into Tory

 

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cook uh and the videos with mfk and I I

 

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call I called him up and I said hey man

 

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uh I'm brand new at this I really want

 

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to learn how to get better and uh do you

 

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ever guide because I'd be more than

 

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happy to pay you just for the learning

 

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experience and he you know he started

 

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kind of started chuckling andh he said

 

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yeah it's funny I was talking to my wife

 

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Tory Lynn this morning about it and I

 

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was actually thinking about starting to

 

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guide so um I actually learned directly

 

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from Tory cook uh the the the close

 

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range daytime stuff there in Southern

 

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Arkansas and um but that said I mean I I

 

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really had to take what I learned from

 

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him um you know I went on two guided

 

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hunts with them and then we just kind of

 

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became buddies and we've hunted and

 

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filmed together a bunch of times over

 

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the years um but I've I had to take what

 

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he did in Southern Arkansas and apply it

 

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to my terrain right right with shot with

 

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shotguns and then expand that out into

 

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you know daytime hunting with a rifle

 

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what how can I take that information and

 

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apply it there and then how can I go out

 

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west and do the same thing and how can I

 

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do it at night and so you know I I've

 

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got that very solid foundation Having

 

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learned to ly from Tori and ultimately I

 

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owe a lot to him in this aspect as far

 

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as you know having a launching pad to do

 

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something like this oh hey that's a

 

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there's nothing wrong with get a little

 

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help along the way that's for sure

 

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that's a that's a pretty good head start

 

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learning uh learning from Tory cook

 

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that's for sure and you know it's

 

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interesting you said you took some of

 

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the stuff that you learned from Tor um

 

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if anybody ever watches in Tory stuff

 

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from mfk it's they do a lot of woods

 

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hunting and a lot of the woods hunting

 

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is super super super thick and the

 

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briers and and you know just the

 

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thickest of the thick to get in these

 

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coyotes and I find it interesting that

 

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you took it to the Indiana Illinois type

 

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country which is mostly a lot of crop

 

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field type stuff and I see you in the

 

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crop Fields but it it still kind of

 

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plays into the plays in your hand the

 

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same way because if if any of you guys

 

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have ever walked into a COR standing

 

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cornfield that's just thick as it gets

 

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so I can see how you how the same

 

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tactics can apply yeah it um

 

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so tor's terrain is wall-to-wall

 

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Timber um and on the flip side of that

 

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where I'm at we're walled of wall corn

 

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and beans right and and you know and I I

 

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joke with clients that that are you know

 

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if they've booked a hunt they're

 

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planning on coming with me I tell them

 

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it's like it's like playing

 

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whack-a-mole they just pop up out of

 

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nowhere too right right yeah but it it

 

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does you know it does apply the same

 

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base Core Concepts apply whatever your

 

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terrain is those same concepts are

 

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always the same right right yeah I me

 

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like I said I mean you're in a

 

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hardwood Brushy thickets down there in

 

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Arkansas when you where you learn to do

 

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this and then you apply to these like I

 

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said there's nothing thicker than a

 

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standing corn field so if you can if you

 

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can call K up and bust them with a

 

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shotgun at Five Steps you're doing

 

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something right

 

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and and that's you know I love that

 

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challenge of you know there are times

 

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like you say we're literally sitting in

 

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the middle of a standing corn field um

 

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well maybe not the middle but you know

 

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several rows in using that open Edge to

 

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our advantage but it's it's a real

 

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Challenge and it it limiting yourself on

 

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where you can hunt you become much

 

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better much faster because it's that

 

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it's that Artistry of what's the wind

 

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where are the edges where do I put us

 

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where do I put the call where should

 

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you know it's like it's like a it's like

 

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a conductor in an orchestra he's paying

 

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attention to every section of his

 

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orchestra right and and it's it's a it's

 

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a lot to pay attention to but man when

 

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it when it works it's really satisfying

 

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oh no no that and uh we just uh a couple

 

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episodes ago uh we had a shotgunning

 

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episode with Tory cook and um and Joey

 

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is very very proficient very proficient

 

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with the shotgun stuff as well that's

 

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what we're talking about cusing these uh

 

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crop fields and stuff and we're going to

 

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have probably a followup as long as joy

 

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we can get Joey back on we'll do another

 

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followup kind of like a shotgun hunting

 

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2.0 with Joey speaking on that um but

 

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one thing that the main uh topic for

 

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this podcast is going to be over night

 

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hunting a lot of you guys are always

 

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asking for more night uh episodes um and

 

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that's that's one thing with joy here

 

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he's a year year round predator Hunter

 

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so like when the night season's out

 

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you're daytime hunting right kind of

 

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doing the stuff like what we're talking

 

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about now and then when night season

 

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comes in you hit it pretty hard that's

 

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kind of one of the main focuses not the

 

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I shouldn't say the main focus but

 

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that's a big part of your your guiding

 

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service is that

 

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correct yeah so the Illinois night

 

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season runs November 10th to March 15

 

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yep um outside of that we can day hunt

 

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Coy year round which to be honest man I

 

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I love having a a four night season

 

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because you know most well and it kind

 

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of goes back to what' you what' you say

 

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big uh big heart low short mind or

 

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something like that small mind You Gotta

 

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Be You got to be strong strong heart

 

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strong hearted and weak-minded

 

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strong hearted and weak-minded yeah yeah

 

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so so it takes it takes a certain kind

 

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of person to want to hunt in the

 

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summertime when the Briars are in and

 

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it's 95 degrees and and mosquito

 

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bual oh my God so so for me the summer

 

0:11:01.120,0:11:04.600

months there aren't very many people in

 

0:11:03.160,0:11:06.800

Illinois that get out and call them

 

0:11:04.600,0:11:09.360

during during the daytime period let

 

0:11:06.800,0:11:10.920

alone the summer months so for me those

 

0:11:09.360,0:11:13.000

those summer months are low pressure

 

0:11:10.920,0:11:15.160

coyotes you can't you can't call a

 

0:11:13.000,0:11:18.079

coyote during the daytime right it's got

 

0:11:15.160,0:11:19.399

to be at night yeah yeah coyotes yeah

 

0:11:18.079,0:11:23.160

coyotes in Illinois don't move in the

 

0:11:19.399,0:11:24.839

daytime right but uh yeah but so so you

 

0:11:23.160,0:11:27.360

know the flip side of that is our

 

0:11:24.839,0:11:29.399

Illinois night season come you know

 

0:11:27.360,0:11:31.639

November to March we're also hunting

 

0:11:29.399,0:11:33.079

unpressured coyotes because yeah

 

0:11:31.639,0:11:35.000

everybody and their brother hasn't been

 

0:11:33.079,0:11:37.680

out calling to them at night from a mile

 

0:11:35.000,0:11:39.680

away no that's that's exactly right you

 

0:11:37.680,0:11:42.320

see that you know I think it's it's that

 

0:11:39.680,0:11:44.720

way everywhere I think summertime spring

 

0:11:42.320,0:11:48.200

and summertime calling is has become

 

0:11:44.720,0:11:49.839

more popular Nationwide but it still you

 

0:11:48.200,0:11:51.800

still have a tremendous amount of people

 

0:11:49.839,0:11:53.240

that only go like in the fall and winter

 

0:11:51.800,0:11:55.440

months and especially the winter months

 

0:11:53.240,0:11:58.480

like after they fill their big game tags

 

0:11:55.440,0:12:00.160

and stuff like that uh and you know and

 

0:11:58.480,0:12:02.000

if you have a night season like you're

 

0:12:00.160,0:12:05.079

talking about what' you say November 1st

 

0:12:02.000,0:12:07.200

through March is that correct November

 

0:12:05.079,0:12:09.680

10 to March 15 okay yeah say it's pretty

 

0:12:07.200,0:12:12.399

similar like my home state of Kentucky

 

0:12:09.680,0:12:15.240

uh we're kind of new into uh the night

 

0:12:12.399,0:12:17.040

hunting uh but we've got a similar uh

 

0:12:15.240,0:12:19.360

season I don't really know for sure the

 

0:12:17.040,0:12:20.959

exact date so you guys listening don't

 

0:12:19.360,0:12:22.560

take my word for it and just go try to

 

0:12:20.959,0:12:24.760

hunt Kentucky at night without looking

 

0:12:22.560,0:12:27.880

it up you know with fishing Wildlife but

 

0:12:24.760,0:12:31.320

I think comes in December 1st and goes

 

0:12:27.880,0:12:34.800

through the end of March maybe and then

 

0:12:31.320,0:12:37.040

there's like a a break through April and

 

0:12:34.800,0:12:39.399

then I think it picks back up like miday

 

0:12:37.040,0:12:41.440

or first of June for another so many

 

0:12:39.399,0:12:44.279

days and then goes out again like right

 

0:12:41.440,0:12:46.760

now we're out of it it's daytime hunting

 

0:12:44.279,0:12:48.240

only and we got most people's after you

 

0:12:46.760,0:12:50.959

know it's deer season so most people's

 

0:12:48.240,0:12:53.600

deer hunting which I am too but I'm

 

0:12:50.959,0:12:56.160

still going after the coyotes as

 

0:12:53.600,0:12:58.079

well I've I've I've gotten to where I

 

0:12:56.160,0:13:00.199

would just assume coyot Hunt is dear

 

0:12:58.079,0:13:02.560

I've you know being being in Illinois

 

0:13:00.199,0:13:04.320

and I'm no hardcore Deer Hunter but I've

 

0:13:02.560,0:13:06.920

I've killed decent deer and I just man

 

0:13:04.320,0:13:08.800

it just doesn't give me that same rush

 

0:13:06.920,0:13:10.639

you know we was talking about this with

 

0:13:08.800,0:13:12.560

somebody the other day and you know they

 

0:13:10.639,0:13:13.920

said you hunt all the time you get tired

 

0:13:12.560,0:13:15.959

of it and all this and we got talking

 

0:13:13.920,0:13:20.760

about deer hunting and I said you know

 

0:13:15.959,0:13:23.720

what I think I like I like scouting and

 

0:13:20.760,0:13:26.800

killing deer and the hunting part that

 

0:13:23.720,0:13:29.199

goes in between I with with the deer I

 

0:13:26.800,0:13:30.639

don't know I've just about had enough

 

0:13:29.199,0:13:33.079

never get tired of the

 

0:13:30.639,0:13:34.680

co I'm I'm I'm with you though I love

 

0:13:33.079,0:13:37.000

the scouting and I always joke with my

 

0:13:34.680,0:13:38.800

hardcore Deer Hunting Buddies I said you

 

0:13:37.000,0:13:40.480

know y'all y'all really just sit in a

 

0:13:38.800,0:13:42.360

stand you're really just dear hoping

 

0:13:40.480,0:13:44.120

you're hoping one walks by close enough

 

0:13:42.360,0:13:46.480

to shoot you're not really hunting him

 

0:13:44.120,0:13:49.440

you're just dear hoping right yeah I do

 

0:13:46.480,0:13:50.680

plenty of that they never like that

 

0:13:49.440,0:13:52.199

because there's half time I'm sitting in

 

0:13:50.680,0:13:54.399

a tree stand I'm sitting there thinking

 

0:13:52.199,0:13:56.320

like is there even a deer within like

 

0:13:54.399,0:13:59.839

two miles of

 

0:13:56.320,0:14:02.160

me de deer wishing I'm I'm wishing

 

0:13:59.839,0:14:04.199

right well let's let's get talking about

 

0:14:02.160,0:14:06.920

this night hunting stuff first thing I

 

0:14:04.199,0:14:08.360

like to ask you about joy and I'm like I

 

0:14:06.920,0:14:09.800

said I'm looking forward to this podcast

 

0:14:08.360,0:14:11.959

just as much as everybody else is

 

0:14:09.800,0:14:13.440

because I'm looking to really learn from

 

0:14:11.959,0:14:15.240

this because I've got very limited

 

0:14:13.440,0:14:17.079

experience night hunting and the first

 

0:14:15.240,0:14:21.759

thing I'd like to talk about is is about

 

0:14:17.079,0:14:24.639

equipment um in your eyes Joy what is

 

0:14:21.759,0:14:27.399

the most essential gear that a nigh

 

0:14:24.639,0:14:29.920

Hunter needs to go out and be successful

 

0:14:27.399,0:14:32.800

nigh hunting for cows

 

0:14:29.920,0:14:34.720

you know that I've put a lot of thought

 

0:14:32.800,0:14:37.560

into this right because I you know from

 

0:14:34.720,0:14:41.199

the lens of a guide I see clients show

 

0:14:37.560,0:14:43.920

up with all kinds of tripods and rifle

 

0:14:41.199,0:14:45.079

setups and Optics and scanners and this

 

0:14:43.920,0:14:48.519

and

 

0:14:45.079,0:14:50.399

and you know night Hunters versus day

 

0:14:48.519,0:14:52.920

Hunters the night Hunters we're really

 

0:14:50.399,0:14:57.839

gear heavy right you know we lean we

 

0:14:52.920,0:15:01.240

lean heavily into our equipment um to

 

0:14:57.839,0:15:05.320

me and it's it's a lot like fishing it's

 

0:15:01.240,0:15:07.120

a lot like fishing you know um you can

 

0:15:05.320,0:15:08.800

fish off of a bank and you can catch

 

0:15:07.120,0:15:10.199

fish you can fish out of a little John

 

0:15:08.800,0:15:12.199

Boat with a trolling motor and you can

 

0:15:10.199,0:15:14.759

catch more fish you can fish off of a

 

0:15:12.199,0:15:18.279

$50,000 bass boat and catch you know who

 

0:15:14.759,0:15:20.600

knows how many fish right but but if you

 

0:15:18.279,0:15:22.839

give the guy with the really good skill

 

0:15:20.600,0:15:24.399

set that little John Boat with the

 

0:15:22.839,0:15:28.160

trolling motor he's probably gonna catch

 

0:15:24.399,0:15:31.839

more fish than anybody right right so so

 

0:15:28.160,0:15:33.360

you know to me the you know so you can

 

0:15:31.839,0:15:35.199

you can hunt with lights you can hunt

 

0:15:33.360,0:15:37.680

with different ranges of Optics you can

 

0:15:35.199,0:15:40.240

have you know a cheapo tripod that you

 

0:15:37.680,0:15:42.560

get from a box store you can get a you

 

0:15:40.240,0:15:45.560

know what you know an expensive tripod

 

0:15:42.560,0:15:48.839

that's you know rock solid so but but

 

0:15:45.560,0:15:51.519

for me if you want to put up numbers

 

0:15:48.839,0:15:52.759

consistently um a quality call with

 

0:15:51.519,0:15:56.959

quality

 

0:15:52.759,0:16:00.480

sounds um your tripod your rifle that's

 

0:15:56.959,0:16:04.040

sitting on the tripod and and your your

 

0:16:00.480,0:16:06.240

optic or Optics and to me you know and

 

0:16:04.040,0:16:09.680

you you can make do with just an optic

 

0:16:06.240,0:16:11.240

on your rifle um or you know if you

 

0:16:09.680,0:16:13.519

really want to get into it having a

 

0:16:11.240,0:16:15.399

scanner and a dedicated optic on your

 

0:16:13.519,0:16:18.440

rifle I know I know there are some guys

 

0:16:15.399,0:16:20.600

who are doing it with just a a thermal

 

0:16:18.440,0:16:22.079

scope mounted on a rifle but but

 

0:16:20.600,0:16:24.560

ultimately they're they're missing

 

0:16:22.079,0:16:26.240

things you know you can't cover 360 it's

 

0:16:24.560,0:16:27.920

not fun being on your you know looking

 

0:16:26.240,0:16:30.639

down the the scope of your rifle all

 

0:16:27.920,0:16:32.160

night long and um but to me to put up

 

0:16:30.639,0:16:34.600

good numbers yeah I would say those are

 

0:16:32.160,0:16:37.279

the essentials right right well I think

 

0:16:34.600,0:16:40.000

it's uh you know I I liked your analogy

 

0:16:37.279,0:16:42.560

about bank fishing johnboat fishing then

 

0:16:40.000,0:16:46.440

you know big old sparkly bassboat and

 

0:16:42.560,0:16:50.079

you could take you know if you put money

 

0:16:46.440,0:16:52.880

into better equipment it can help you it

 

0:16:50.079,0:16:55.279

can make you better but there's that

 

0:16:52.880,0:16:58.000

threshold you know you can spend it's

 

0:16:55.279,0:17:01.560

very you know predator hunting in

 

0:16:58.000,0:17:03.800

general is an exp expensive sport um day

 

0:17:01.560,0:17:05.000

hunting can be expensive and then when

 

0:17:03.800,0:17:06.000

you start talking about night hunting

 

0:17:05.000,0:17:08.160

especially you start talking about

 

0:17:06.000,0:17:09.679

thermals and all this other stuff you

 

0:17:08.160,0:17:11.000

can start talking about a lot I mean cuz

 

0:17:09.679,0:17:13.559

some of these thermals are just

 

0:17:11.000,0:17:15.839

thousands and thousands of dollars and

 

0:17:13.559,0:17:18.959

you know if you can afford it awesome I

 

0:17:15.839,0:17:22.520

mean it's it's great stuff but you know

 

0:17:18.959,0:17:23.760

uh do you really have to have $50,000

 

0:17:22.520,0:17:25.439

worth of equipment and there's people

 

0:17:23.760,0:17:27.480

out there like $50,000 what's he talking

 

0:17:25.439,0:17:30.679

about dude you start adding it up if you

 

0:17:27.480,0:17:34.600

get like a or $18,000 thermal then you

 

0:17:30.679,0:17:37.480

get you A5 to $8,000 you know uh custom

 

0:17:34.600,0:17:39.600

rifle and then you know $1,000 worth of

 

0:17:37.480,0:17:40.880

tripod plus and you just keep adding all

 

0:17:39.600,0:17:43.600

that up next thing you know you got a

 

0:17:40.880,0:17:45.880

lot of money in that that that's that's

 

0:17:43.600,0:17:49.080

a fact and you and you know how you know

 

0:17:45.880,0:17:50.640

daytime's the same way so at at night

 

0:17:49.080,0:17:53.919

I've killed them with a white light and

 

0:17:50.640,0:17:55.600

a shotgun and yeah or or like you said

 

0:17:53.919,0:17:58.320

I've got you know when I guide obviously

 

0:17:55.600,0:17:59.559

I use very full high-end setups for

 

0:17:58.320,0:18:02.080

clients

 

0:17:59.559,0:18:04.200

you you can make it as inexpensive or as

 

0:18:02.080,0:18:06.039

expensive as you want it to you just

 

0:18:04.200,0:18:09.039

have to understand that there is kind of

 

0:18:06.039,0:18:11.000

a there's a there's a ceiling right the

 

0:18:09.039,0:18:13.520

last the last season I hunted with

 

0:18:11.000,0:18:15.880

lights was probably seven or eight years

 

0:18:13.520,0:18:17.840

ago I would have been eight years ago I

 

0:18:15.880,0:18:21.240

think this is my seventh year guiding

 

0:18:17.840,0:18:23.440

but um hunting with lights that November

 

0:18:21.240,0:18:26.600

to March time period just lights I think

 

0:18:23.440,0:18:29.039

I killed 60 65 coyotes during that

 

0:18:26.600,0:18:30.960

four-month period now I know no compared

 

0:18:29.039,0:18:35.400

to now where we're going to kill 300

 

0:18:30.960,0:18:38.240

plus with thermals um you know 60

 

0:18:35.400,0:18:40.120

coyotes with lights in Illinois is

 

0:18:38.240,0:18:41.520

pretty D good it's a pretty sign it's

 

0:18:40.120,0:18:43.159

pretty significant number you know

 

0:18:41.520,0:18:46.480

especially now guys are say you can't

 

0:18:43.159,0:18:48.760

kill them with lights and all that um

 

0:18:46.480,0:18:50.480

you know and and the daytime stuff is

 

0:18:48.760,0:18:52.840

the same way you can sit in the timber

 

0:18:50.480,0:18:54.960

with a with a well you could do it like

 

0:18:52.840,0:18:57.200

Tori do with a diaphragm and a beat up

 

0:18:54.960,0:19:00.840

old 870 that he got gifted to him when

 

0:18:57.200,0:19:04.000

he was three I've seen

 

0:19:00.840,0:19:05.919

it he's wrecked that thing to death or

 

0:19:04.000,0:19:08.559

you can go out and you can have you know

 

0:19:05.919,0:19:10.799

like my custom rifle and the tripod and

 

0:19:08.559,0:19:13.280

the high-end Scopes and you know it's

 

0:19:10.799,0:19:15.360

just it it is what you make it

 

0:19:13.280,0:19:17.200

and you know one of the things that kind

 

0:19:15.360,0:19:19.600

of got noted here is

 

0:19:17.200,0:19:22.520

like I think we had talked about the

 

0:19:19.600,0:19:24.799

most valuable or most important piece of

 

0:19:22.520,0:19:27.360

equipment and ultimately that's that's

 

0:19:24.799,0:19:29.200

going to be your skill set whatever

 

0:19:27.360,0:19:31.039

whatever you're so like if you take Bare

 

0:19:29.200,0:19:33.240

Bones you know you've got

 

0:19:31.039,0:19:35.720

to you know I don't want to say night

 

0:19:33.240,0:19:38.440

hunting I want let's say night calling

 

0:19:35.720,0:19:40.200

okay so to be a night caller one

 

0:19:38.440,0:19:41.600

essential is you got to have a call you

 

0:19:40.200,0:19:44.360

either got to have a set of hand calls

 

0:19:41.600,0:19:46.240

diaphragms whatever or an e call uh you

 

0:19:44.360,0:19:47.720

got you know you better be running a fox

 

0:19:46.240,0:19:49.799

Pro if you want to kill kill a bunch of

 

0:19:47.720,0:19:52.120

them that's right Shameless plug

 

0:19:49.799,0:19:54.400

Shameless plug that's right Shameless

 

0:19:52.120,0:19:55.840

plug and you've got to have something to

 

0:19:54.400,0:19:59.360

shoot them with right you got to have a

 

0:19:55.840,0:20:02.159

rifle so let's say your call calls

 

0:19:59.360,0:20:04.799

and your rifle or your bare Bare

 

0:20:02.159,0:20:07.159

Essentials you've it's without saying

 

0:20:04.799,0:20:10.280

you're going to have those so in your

 

0:20:07.159,0:20:12.400

opinion the single most important piece

 

0:20:10.280,0:20:14.679

of equipment for a night coyote CER

 

0:20:12.400,0:20:17.320

besides for your cause and your rifle is

 

0:20:14.679,0:20:19.480

gonna be your skill set yeah that's

 

0:20:17.320,0:20:21.280

that's it you can take somebody with an

 

0:20:19.480,0:20:24.039

exceptional skill set and they can go

 

0:20:21.280,0:20:25.840

out with with lights and and kill as

 

0:20:24.039,0:20:27.440

many with as somebody with a minimal

 

0:20:25.840,0:20:29.840

skill set who's running thermal I me

 

0:20:27.440,0:20:32.400

I've I've I've done before contest

 

0:20:29.840,0:20:34.760

hunting here locally and and you know

 

0:20:32.400,0:20:37.039

that said back when I wish I could go

 

0:20:34.760,0:20:40.120

back to to that time period hunting with

 

0:20:37.039,0:20:42.000

lights knowing everything I I know now I

 

0:20:40.120,0:20:44.240

I thought back then that I I knew what I

 

0:20:42.000,0:20:46.960

was doing I didn't I didn't know Jack

 

0:20:44.240,0:20:50.039

you're right you know yeah yeah you you

 

0:20:46.960,0:20:52.159

evolv so much over the years but but uh

 

0:20:50.039,0:20:53.799

yeah I mean i' I remember placing second

 

0:20:52.159,0:20:55.200

in a contest and I was hunting with

 

0:20:53.799,0:20:59.039

lights and everybody else was hunting

 

0:20:55.200,0:21:01.480

with thermals and it's you know you're I

 

0:20:59.039,0:21:04.679

think it's a great I think it's a great

 

0:21:01.480,0:21:07.159

answer to that um you know I know you

 

0:21:04.679,0:21:09.240

don't always have a bright full moon but

 

0:21:07.159,0:21:11.600

just we had one not too long ago and I

 

0:21:09.240,0:21:13.360

was out here in the yard with the wife

 

0:21:11.600,0:21:14.840

and kids we got a little fire pit out

 

0:21:13.360,0:21:17.159

here we had a little fire going and

 

0:21:14.840,0:21:20.320

stuff and I got to looking around dude

 

0:21:17.159,0:21:21.559

if I wanted a ky hunt the other night I

 

0:21:20.320,0:21:22.600

didn't have to have no lights I didn't

 

0:21:21.559,0:21:25.159

have to have no thermal I would been

 

0:21:22.600,0:21:27.799

able to shoot at least 150 yards and

 

0:21:25.159,0:21:30.240

identify that I know for 100% fact that

 

0:21:27.799,0:21:31.760

it was a ky so I think it's awesome that

 

0:21:30.240,0:21:33.880

you say somebody you know you can take

 

0:21:31.760,0:21:35.600

the thermal and the lights away if you

 

0:21:33.880,0:21:38.480

got something to shoot with and some

 

0:21:35.600,0:21:40.720

calls to call a Ked up your next Mo your

 

0:21:38.480,0:21:43.400

most important piece of equipment you

 

0:21:40.720,0:21:44.880

can have is a is a skill set and I think

 

0:21:43.400,0:21:47.600

that's awesome that's a great answer

 

0:21:44.880,0:21:49.279

that's a great answer and and I get I

 

0:21:47.600,0:21:51.240

get a you know I get clients of all

 

0:21:49.279,0:21:54.080

skill levels right guys who have never

 

0:21:51.240,0:21:55.960

kyot hunted to all the way up to guys

 

0:21:54.080,0:21:58.240

who hunt and win contests they're just

 

0:21:55.960,0:22:00.360

trying to tighten up a little bit um and

 

0:21:58.240,0:22:03.120

pick any kind of information they can

 

0:22:00.360,0:22:04.679

get yeah and you know I get a lot of

 

0:22:03.120,0:22:08.159

those new guys who have gone out and

 

0:22:04.679,0:22:09.679

spent $20,000 in thermal and gun and

 

0:22:08.159,0:22:12.200

tripod and they're like man we just

 

0:22:09.679,0:22:14.039

can't we can't figure it out so

 

0:22:12.200,0:22:15.919

ultimately your skill set Will trump the

 

0:22:14.039,0:22:18.360

equipment right you know and some of

 

0:22:15.919,0:22:20.039

these guys I'm sure they're just missing

 

0:22:18.360,0:22:22.200

one little piece or a couple little

 

0:22:20.039,0:22:25.320

pieces of puzzle to put it all together

 

0:22:22.200,0:22:27.159

and become tremendous coyote collar

 

0:22:25.320,0:22:29.039

coyote Hunters I'm sure I'm sure you see

 

0:22:27.159,0:22:30.880

that a lot you know just missing one

 

0:22:29.039,0:22:33.480

little thing to bring it all

 

0:22:30.880,0:22:34.960

together I've seen I I've had a lot of

 

0:22:33.480,0:22:37.799

clients that have taken what they've

 

0:22:34.960,0:22:39.039

learned and gone home and put it to use

 

0:22:37.799,0:22:42.559

and they'll come back again the

 

0:22:39.039,0:22:45.080

following year and and man it's like

 

0:22:42.559,0:22:48.279

hunting with different guys they they

 

0:22:45.080,0:22:50.760

they the information has become so

 

0:22:48.279,0:22:54.559

second nature to how they do it do

 

0:22:50.760,0:22:57.000

things now that that I can see a a vast

 

0:22:54.559,0:23:00.240

difference in the level the level of

 

0:22:57.000,0:23:02.039

Hunter that they are so you can take the

 

0:23:00.240,0:23:03.679

bare stuff let's say let's say you got

 

0:23:02.039,0:23:06.360

into the thermal game you got you a good

 

0:23:03.679,0:23:08.799

shooting rifle you got you a fox Pro

 

0:23:06.360,0:23:11.320

call loaded up with Fox Pro and mfk

 

0:23:08.799,0:23:13.120

sounds um you got your thermal on there

 

0:23:11.320,0:23:16.120

it's dialed in you got pretty decent

 

0:23:13.120,0:23:18.279

thermal you can identify well you know

 

0:23:16.120,0:23:21.360

you're you're dialed in everything's

 

0:23:18.279,0:23:22.919

great what would be the next piece of

 

0:23:21.360,0:23:24.520

equipment that can really benefit

 

0:23:22.919,0:23:25.840

somebody you think it'd be a scanner or

 

0:23:24.520,0:23:27.279

what do you think you know you got your

 

0:23:25.840,0:23:28.919

good skill like you said you got your

 

0:23:27.279,0:23:30.320

skill set your skill that's really

 

0:23:28.919,0:23:32.000

improved and all that so you got your

 

0:23:30.320,0:23:34.240

skill set you got a good shooting rifle

 

0:23:32.000,0:23:37.360

you got thermal what do you think would

 

0:23:34.240,0:23:42.440

be the next piece of equipment

 

0:23:37.360,0:23:44.919

that yeah for me 100% scanner um you can

 

0:23:42.440,0:23:47.640

the thing about thermal what's great is

 

0:23:44.919,0:23:51.039

you know versus our eyes my eyes are are

 

0:23:47.640,0:23:53.200

really terrible um I do not um I don't

 

0:23:51.039,0:23:55.400

pick Coyotes out well in the daytime at

 

0:23:53.200,0:23:58.960

any kind of distance if they're over 200

 

0:23:55.400,0:24:00.520

yards I'm terrible um now with the thing

 

0:23:58.960,0:24:03.080

with thermal and this is where you're

 

0:24:00.520,0:24:05.559

you're 100% right for me it's a scanner

 

0:24:03.080,0:24:08.559

um you can watch you can watch those

 

0:24:05.559,0:24:10.679

coyotes six seven 800 yards out you can

 

0:24:08.559,0:24:12.679

read their body language you can know

 

0:24:10.679,0:24:14.120

okay are those coyotes gonna gonna react

 

0:24:12.679,0:24:15.919

are they GNA commit do I need to move

 

0:24:14.120,0:24:18.880

closer are they circling down wind do I

 

0:24:15.919,0:24:20.840

need to adjust for that to me a scanner

 

0:24:18.880,0:24:24.480

and and you get night hunting you get

 

0:24:20.840,0:24:26.640

back doored a lot um so having to me

 

0:24:24.480,0:24:28.159

having that scanner is is something

 

0:24:26.640,0:24:29.360

that's going to definitely increase your

 

0:24:28.159,0:24:32.039

number

 

0:24:29.360,0:24:34.919

right what about

 

0:24:32.039,0:24:38.640

um what about your shooting platform you

 

0:24:34.919,0:24:40.760

know everybody talks a lot about um you

 

0:24:38.640,0:24:42.880

know tripods nowadays I'm running a

 

0:24:40.760,0:24:46.559

tripod I run a Fatboy tripod absolutely

 

0:24:42.880,0:24:48.399

love it yeah um what do you think about

 

0:24:46.559,0:24:50.120

and I don't have a ton of experience

 

0:24:48.399,0:24:51.840

with with tripods so it's one of the

 

0:24:50.120,0:24:54.679

reasons I'm asking because you see this

 

0:24:51.840,0:24:56.279

topic come up quite a bit on Facebook

 

0:24:54.679,0:24:58.159

and everything else with tripods you'll

 

0:24:56.279,0:25:00.279

see somebody that's and I don't think

 

0:24:58.159,0:25:02.240

there thing wrong with it but you see

 

0:25:00.279,0:25:04.799

you see some guys running some what we

 

0:25:02.240,0:25:06.880

would call a cheaper tripod setup you

 

0:25:04.799,0:25:09.760

know something that's not as durable or

 

0:25:06.880,0:25:11.919

what we wouldn't consider as uh steady

 

0:25:09.760,0:25:15.080

as the next one how important do you

 

0:25:11.919,0:25:19.159

think it is to have a good quality

 

0:25:15.080,0:25:21.360

tripod to go to tie all that together oh

 

0:25:19.159,0:25:25.760

having a tripod at night

 

0:25:21.360,0:25:28.320

one one being handsfree is is just it's

 

0:25:25.760,0:25:29.799

comfortable you know it's not being tidy

 

0:25:28.320,0:25:33.799

tied up with your your hands on your

 

0:25:29.799,0:25:36.640

rifles it's it's nice but you know I've

 

0:25:33.799,0:25:40.039

I've gone from using a

 

0:25:36.640,0:25:43.679

cheapo plastic tripod to aluminum to

 

0:25:40.039,0:25:45.200

carbon fiber um I Run Fatboy tripods on

 

0:25:43.679,0:25:47.720

everything I've I use them for both of

 

0:25:45.200,0:25:50.960

my rifle setups and my camera as well

 

0:25:47.720,0:25:53.679

yeah oh yeah yep yeah and having having

 

0:25:50.960,0:25:56.600

a shooting platform and that and that's

 

0:25:53.679,0:25:58.320

one thing um I see a lot of videos and

 

0:25:56.600,0:26:00.799

we all see it on social media and it's

 

0:25:58.320,0:26:04.320

it's like um you know guys that just

 

0:26:00.799,0:26:06.679

can't get steady and you know whatever

 

0:26:04.320,0:26:09.440

whatever ballhead leveling base whatever

 

0:26:06.679,0:26:11.720

platform you decide to shoot with um

 

0:26:09.440,0:26:13.240

having a a mechanism that can lock down

 

0:26:11.720,0:26:14.760

you know you bark to stop the coyote

 

0:26:13.240,0:26:17.039

coyote stops you lock down real quick

 

0:26:14.760,0:26:21.200

and you're you're on it you're anchored

 

0:26:17.039,0:26:25.120

um to me to me at night shooting

 

0:26:21.200,0:26:27.559

shooting is as important as calling I

 

0:26:25.120,0:26:29.919

know I know I know guys who stack big

 

0:26:27.559,0:26:31.760

time numbers on the competition scene

 

0:26:29.919,0:26:34.760

and these dudes are cracking coyotes at

 

0:26:31.760,0:26:37.159

five six 700 yards regular right right

 

0:26:34.760,0:26:38.640

and it's just like I I can't do that I

 

0:26:37.159,0:26:41.080

don't have that skill set yeah I've

 

0:26:38.640,0:26:43.279

killed a few of longer distances I I

 

0:26:41.080,0:26:44.640

don't I don't want to shoot him that far

 

0:26:43.279,0:26:45.840

I I don't want to drag him that far I

 

0:26:44.640,0:26:48.159

want to go out there and look at him if

 

0:26:45.840,0:26:49.960

we shoot one that far I'm pretty I'm

 

0:26:48.159,0:26:52.279

pretty lazy I don't care

 

0:26:49.960,0:26:55.760

the yeah night hunting has made me

 

0:26:52.279,0:26:56.840

really lazy so so yeah Tri a good

 

0:26:55.760,0:26:58.760

quality

 

0:26:56.840,0:27:00.440

tripod yeah I mean it's going to

 

0:26:58.760,0:27:02.080

increase your numbers versus say if

 

0:27:00.440,0:27:05.399

you're shooting off of shooting sticks

 

0:27:02.080,0:27:07.720

at night or I I even before tripods were

 

0:27:05.399,0:27:10.640

really a big thing I remember shooting

 

0:27:07.720,0:27:14.480

at night seated with a with a a fold out

 

0:27:10.640,0:27:17.559

haris bipod oh yeah and yeah and I mean

 

0:27:14.480,0:27:20.039

I I remember losing that there was a

 

0:27:17.559,0:27:22.120

time I had a quad in front of me and

 

0:27:20.039,0:27:24.960

standing up I could see him clear as day

 

0:27:22.120,0:27:26.399

and I'd sit down to shoot and nothing

 

0:27:24.960,0:27:27.640

there was just enough roll in the hill

 

0:27:26.399,0:27:28.880

where I couldn't see anything and they

 

0:27:27.640,0:27:32.440

were probably

 

0:27:28.880,0:27:34.000

70 yards they weren't far and that was

 

0:27:32.440,0:27:35.960

that was it that was it I'm standing

 

0:27:34.000,0:27:37.640

with the tripod from here on out and and

 

0:27:35.960,0:27:40.120

I even use them in the daytime standing

 

0:27:37.640,0:27:41.880

up I've seen pictures of you where

 

0:27:40.120,0:27:44.039

you've took pictur like in between

 

0:27:41.880,0:27:46.240

electric poles and stuff like that yeah

 

0:27:44.039,0:27:48.360

yeah yeah yeah that's plenty enough to

 

0:27:46.240,0:27:51.440

bust you up but that does seem like you

 

0:27:48.360,0:27:53.720

know U that is the norm now is just

 

0:27:51.440,0:27:56.960

stand straight up on your tripod and

 

0:27:53.720,0:27:59.320

shoot and I tell you what um this is

 

0:27:56.960,0:28:00.720

part of my seminar that I give you know

 

0:27:59.320,0:28:02.960

give several seminars throughout the

 

0:28:00.720,0:28:04.720

year and one section of it is you know

 

0:28:02.960,0:28:07.640

cuz one of the number one questions I

 

0:28:04.720,0:28:09.480

used to always get is once guys had a

 

0:28:07.640,0:28:11.519

little experience and was killing a few

 

0:28:09.480,0:28:13.720

coyotes I'd always get hey what can I do

 

0:28:11.519,0:28:16.519

to bring some things together and start

 

0:28:13.720,0:28:18.519

killing more coyotes well I always tell

 

0:28:16.519,0:28:19.919

them if you want to kill more coyotes

 

0:28:18.519,0:28:22.000

you need to make sure you're killing

 

0:28:19.919,0:28:23.519

every single coyote that you call up if

 

0:28:22.000,0:28:25.760

you're hitting all your Coy that you

 

0:28:23.519,0:28:28.279

call in you're automatically going to be

 

0:28:25.760,0:28:29.919

killing more so it's it's imperative

 

0:28:28.279,0:28:32.240

that you become proficient with your

 

0:28:29.919,0:28:34.720

shooting setup with your rifle and your

 

0:28:32.240,0:28:36.440

tripod if that's what you're doing and

 

0:28:34.720,0:28:38.080

you know and practice from that type of

 

0:28:36.440,0:28:39.880

stuff you know practice standing with

 

0:28:38.080,0:28:43.120

your with your you know your shooting

 

0:28:39.880,0:28:46.000

platform I think can go a long long ways

 

0:28:43.120,0:28:49.399

oh yeah so like I said too you know

 

0:28:46.000,0:28:52.919

having clients of all skill sets if if

 

0:28:49.399,0:28:55.279

uh if people saw as many coyotes get

 

0:28:52.919,0:28:59.320

missed as I see every

 

0:28:55.279,0:29:02.240

year like you gotta be stron hearted

 

0:28:59.320,0:29:02.240

or or weak-minded

 

0:29:02.320,0:29:07.240

right I bet I bet last year I watched

 

0:29:04.919,0:29:10.080

every bit of 200 Kays get missed oh my

 

0:29:07.240,0:29:12.120

go and and these and you know the night

 

0:29:10.080,0:29:14.159

stuff I remember I I counted I got to

 

0:29:12.120,0:29:16.399

like 140 150 and I kind of stopped

 

0:29:14.159,0:29:19.559

counting because it you know it is a

 

0:29:16.399,0:29:21.120

little discouraging but I you know these

 

0:29:19.559,0:29:23.480

are shots I don't count a shot attempt

 

0:29:21.120,0:29:26.159

unless it's under 200 and stationary you

 

0:29:23.480,0:29:28.760

don't shoot at moving yeah yeah yeah you

 

0:29:26.159,0:29:30.919

know and and but but you know you hit

 

0:29:28.760,0:29:33.279

the nail on the head I give a little I

 

0:29:30.919,0:29:34.480

give a lot of Grace when guys come here

 

0:29:33.279,0:29:36.840

and they're like hey I want to shoot

 

0:29:34.480,0:29:38.760

your setup well you know that's a tripod

 

0:29:36.840,0:29:40.559

they've never used maybe they've never

 

0:29:38.760,0:29:42.000

shot standing with the tripod that's a

 

0:29:40.559,0:29:43.799

trigger they've never pulled that's an

 

0:29:42.000,0:29:46.039

optic they've never looked through

 

0:29:43.799,0:29:48.519

they're you know being familiar and

 

0:29:46.039,0:29:50.640

comfortable with your equipment is I

 

0:29:48.519,0:29:54.120

mean there's there's no substitution for

 

0:29:50.640,0:29:55.679

that right yeah uh I totally agree uh

 

0:29:54.120,0:29:57.559

one thing I was want to ask you about

 

0:29:55.679,0:30:00.120

since we're still kind of on the tripod

 

0:29:57.559,0:30:01.000

type stuff here is is a I remember you

 

0:30:00.120,0:30:03.519

saying something about being able to

 

0:30:01.000,0:30:05.760

lock your head down what what is your

 

0:30:03.519,0:30:08.600

preference between ball head and these

 

0:30:05.760,0:30:10.600

level heads I've actually it seem like I

 

0:30:08.600,0:30:12.440

see most people are running a ball head

 

0:30:10.600,0:30:15.000

you know they're they're running a big

 

0:30:12.440,0:30:16.960

nice bulky ball head so I've got both

 

0:30:15.000,0:30:18.480

I've got a ball head and I got the from

 

0:30:16.960,0:30:20.960

Fatboy I think it's called levitate

 

0:30:18.480,0:30:22.919

levitate level head so I ran them both

 

0:30:20.960,0:30:24.799

just to see what I like and of course

 

0:30:22.919,0:30:26.519

I'm doing mostly daytime hunting so I'm

 

0:30:24.799,0:30:28.480

usually sitting on a stool a lot of

 

0:30:26.519,0:30:31.039

times and got you know the tri set up

 

0:30:28.480,0:30:32.840

for that um I tell you what I think I

 

0:30:31.039,0:30:35.240

like the level head better for my

 

0:30:32.840,0:30:37.399

personal my personal style what what's

 

0:30:35.240,0:30:39.840

your preference on it or do you have a

 

0:30:37.399,0:30:42.600

preference I I also run the leveling

 

0:30:39.840,0:30:44.960

head from uh from Fatboy and that said

 

0:30:42.600,0:30:47.240

I've used man I've used everything every

 

0:30:44.960,0:30:49.760

I mean all I've used hog saddle Pig

 

0:30:47.240,0:30:53.080

saddle you know leveling heads I've used

 

0:30:49.760,0:30:55.880

all of it now that said a ball head

 

0:30:53.080,0:30:58.519

generally will give you more elevation

 

0:30:55.880,0:31:00.720

okay um if you are shooting down Hill or

 

0:30:58.519,0:31:02.360

uphill at a steeper angle it'll give you

 

0:31:00.720,0:31:05.240

a little more play than the leveling

 

0:31:02.360,0:31:07.360

base will a little more versal I guess

 

0:31:05.240,0:31:09.960

yeah I mean and I've only had a couple

 

0:31:07.360,0:31:11.799

times you know and and you can offset

 

0:31:09.960,0:31:13.720

that too just by by lowering one of your

 

0:31:11.799,0:31:16.519

tripod legs or raising a tripod leg to

 

0:31:13.720,0:31:18.480

give you a better angle yeah so you know

 

0:31:16.519,0:31:21.399

it's it's really user preference I like

 

0:31:18.480,0:31:23.000

a leveling base um I just I feel a

 

0:31:21.399,0:31:26.080

little steadier on them I don't know why

 

0:31:23.000,0:31:28.039

I just it's me it's me it's totally me

 

0:31:26.080,0:31:31.080

you know cuz you can you can loosen and

 

0:31:28.039,0:31:32.880

that thing completely up and it's still

 

0:31:31.080,0:31:35.440

pretty dag on stiff you know it's not

 

0:31:32.880,0:31:38.240

too stiff you know what I mean it's just

 

0:31:35.440,0:31:40.440

you always got I shoot with mine yes sir

 

0:31:38.240,0:31:42.279

I shoot with mine wide open just because

 

0:31:40.440,0:31:44.480

there's just enough there's just enough

 

0:31:42.279,0:31:45.919

tension on there where I don't I don't

 

0:31:44.480,0:31:47.919

really feel like I need to have it

 

0:31:45.919,0:31:49.799

locked down to shoot steady now if I'm

 

0:31:47.919,0:31:52.120

taking a longer shot yeah I lock it down

 

0:31:49.799,0:31:55.760

and that makes a big difference if I'm

 

0:31:52.120,0:31:58.760

shooting 250 plus

 

0:31:55.760,0:32:00.799

um but yeah I mean I leave mine wide

 

0:31:58.760,0:32:02.519

open there's those those fat boy heads

 

0:32:00.799,0:32:03.880

have just enough tension you know if

 

0:32:02.519,0:32:06.519

you're if you're holding the stock of

 

0:32:03.880,0:32:09.440

your gun level and you let go it just

 

0:32:06.519,0:32:11.000

eases down it doesn't fall there's just

 

0:32:09.440,0:32:13.760

just enough tension and that's enough to

 

0:32:11.000,0:32:16.120

keep me Steady you know uh I like

 

0:32:13.760,0:32:17.840

calling coyotes in in close you know I

 

0:32:16.120,0:32:19.919

always consider myself a coyote caller

 

0:32:17.840,0:32:22.080

so I I'd rather shoot a coyote close and

 

0:32:19.919,0:32:23.880

I would further away but you was talking

 

0:32:22.080,0:32:26.240

about you know most of the time you're

 

0:32:23.880,0:32:28.840

you're just leaving it completely open

 

0:32:26.240,0:32:31.159

you know uh unlocked to shoot everything

 

0:32:28.840,0:32:34.200

unless you're shooting extended ranges

 

0:32:31.159,0:32:36.519

and I'm the same way but I one thing I'm

 

0:32:34.200,0:32:38.600

very guilty of and I let coyotes get

 

0:32:36.519,0:32:40.720

away from me sometimes doing this I milk

 

0:32:38.600,0:32:42.120

a coyote for everything he's got a lot

 

0:32:40.720,0:32:44.320

of times when especially when I'm

 

0:32:42.120,0:32:47.000

filming you know I want to milk him I

 

0:32:44.320,0:32:48.799

want footage of a ky it's none I I can't

 

0:32:47.000,0:32:50.120

stand can't stand calling one out and

 

0:32:48.799,0:32:51.919

just seeing him for two seconds and

 

0:32:50.120,0:32:54.360

shooting him you know what I mean I want

 

0:32:51.919,0:32:56.720

several seconds if not minutes of him so

 

0:32:54.360,0:32:58.440

if I ever get a Coy it's completely

 

0:32:56.720,0:33:01.080

comfortable being out there

 

0:32:58.440,0:33:03.559

and say he's just like 60 or 70 yards or

 

0:33:01.080,0:33:06.120

80 yards um and he's just out there

 

0:33:03.559,0:33:07.799

standing Welly I still goe I'll lock it

 

0:33:06.120,0:33:10.320

thing down and I'll like try to pick out

 

0:33:07.799,0:33:12.360

a tick on that thing's chest I'm aiming

 

0:33:10.320,0:33:14.480

for a tick not just a Coy you know I

 

0:33:12.360,0:33:16.440

want to just absolutely chill that

 

0:33:14.480,0:33:18.320

sucker and then boy when it locks down

 

0:33:16.440,0:33:21.159

it lock

 

0:33:18.320,0:33:23.880

down yeah I think I think part of the

 

0:33:21.159,0:33:26.120

like especially daytime uh night time I

 

0:33:23.880,0:33:29.600

if I'm I mean I I don't get the pleasure

 

0:33:26.120,0:33:32.000

HT very often as part of it um but like

 

0:33:29.600,0:33:33.440

daytime daytime I think I leave it open

 

0:33:32.000,0:33:35.440

because you know I've got one hand on

 

0:33:33.440,0:33:37.480

the camera and one hand on the safety

 

0:33:35.440,0:33:39.440

and one there's a lot going on filming

 

0:33:37.480,0:33:42.399

one hand on the remote and I need four

 

0:33:39.440,0:33:44.600

arms but um I think that's probably part

 

0:33:42.399,0:33:45.919

of why I leave mine open in the daytime

 

0:33:44.600,0:33:48.080

I never really thought about it well

 

0:33:45.919,0:33:50.480

you're more versatile that way I mean

 

0:33:48.080,0:33:53.799

because if it's if it's open you don't

 

0:33:50.480,0:33:55.600

have to reach up there to unlock it to

 

0:33:53.799,0:33:58.320

move on a Cy so I mean it makes sense

 

0:33:55.600,0:34:00.679

it's easier to track coyes that way

 

0:33:58.320,0:34:02.880

yeah yeah we know how coyotes are they

 

0:34:00.679,0:34:06.519

stop for two seconds move stop for two

 

0:34:02.880,0:34:08.240

seconds exactly yes yeah well another

 

0:34:06.519,0:34:10.599

question I got for you since we're

 

0:34:08.240,0:34:13.320

talking about equipment what would you

 

0:34:10.599,0:34:14.800

consider the least important piece of

 

0:34:13.320,0:34:16.440

equipment that you see a lot of people

 

0:34:14.800,0:34:21.119

take out there that they could probably

 

0:34:16.440,0:34:21.119

shed and uh and do away

 

0:34:22.480,0:34:27.040

with I mean a lot you see you see a ton

 

0:34:25.520,0:34:28.919

of people come through your Guide

 

0:34:27.040,0:34:30.960

Service you know I'm sure You' seen

 

0:34:28.919,0:34:32.159

everything from the bare minimum to the

 

0:34:30.960,0:34:34.040

guy that looks like he jumped out of

 

0:34:32.159,0:34:37.159

Cabella's

 

0:34:34.040,0:34:39.159

catalog right there's you know when you

 

0:34:37.159,0:34:40.679

get into that stuff it's really you know

 

0:34:39.159,0:34:43.320

personal preference

 

0:34:40.679,0:34:45.320

on everyone has their style of hunting

 

0:34:43.320,0:34:49.200

and what they how they like to hunt and

 

0:34:45.320,0:34:51.119

all that but um man out of those out of

 

0:34:49.200,0:34:52.879

those essenti I'm a barebones kind of

 

0:34:51.119,0:34:54.800

person I don't I don't take anything

 

0:34:52.879,0:34:57.720

with me that's not

 

0:34:54.800,0:35:00.320

essential um I mean I see guys with

 

0:34:57.720,0:35:02.079

lasers on their guns and some trinky

 

0:35:00.320,0:35:06.480

stuff and and I understand some of them

 

0:35:02.079,0:35:10.200

use it like uh def kill yeah yeah but I

 

0:35:06.480,0:35:12.320

mean I use my thermal for that but but I

 

0:35:10.200,0:35:14.400

I I wouldn't say there's a least

 

0:35:12.320,0:35:16.119

important I think I think more than

 

0:35:14.400,0:35:19.680

anything a lot of people are really

 

0:35:16.119,0:35:23.079

splitting hairs on the level live

 

0:35:19.680,0:35:26.480

equipment um a lot of you know thermos

 

0:35:23.079,0:35:30.920

Scopes particular a lot of the 384 stuff

 

0:35:26.480,0:35:34.040

now is is as good as the 640 stuff was a

 

0:35:30.920,0:35:36.240

few years ago right and it's I I think

 

0:35:34.040,0:35:39.320

there's a lot of

 

0:35:36.240,0:35:42.760

uh uh overthinking when it comes to a

 

0:35:39.320,0:35:45.040

lot of the equipment um really anything

 

0:35:42.760,0:35:48.119

outside of the stuff that we mentioned

 

0:35:45.040,0:35:50.200

as essential is just preference so right

 

0:35:48.119,0:35:52.720

um and I could name a slew of things

 

0:35:50.200,0:35:55.440

that people have brought on hunts scent

 

0:35:52.720,0:35:58.640

killer scent killer is the least

 

0:35:55.440,0:36:01.359

important that stuffff

 

0:35:58.640,0:36:03.640

that's always brought up in in a

 

0:36:01.359,0:36:05.599

seminar yeah and you know what's funny

 

0:36:03.640,0:36:07.160

the first time I ever went in torial

 

0:36:05.599,0:36:08.880

probably get a laugh at this first time

 

0:36:07.160,0:36:11.280

I went to go hunt with him I showed up

 

0:36:08.880,0:36:13.880

with a a bottle of scent killer and I

 

0:36:11.280,0:36:16.920

think two boxes of water foul loads to

 

0:36:13.880,0:36:19.520

shotgun k k if that if that tells you

 

0:36:16.920,0:36:21.160

how little I knew going into it he take

 

0:36:19.520,0:36:23.839

your steel shot and throw it in a trash

 

0:36:21.160,0:36:25.359

can he did yeah he hand he handed I

 

0:36:23.839,0:36:28.160

think he handed me boxes of four bucks

 

0:36:25.359,0:36:29.839

so here shoot these y said you can keep

 

0:36:28.160,0:36:31.319

your you can keep your water fou those

 

0:36:29.839,0:36:35.560

yep

 

0:36:31.319,0:36:36.960

yep what about um weal you said you

 

0:36:35.560,0:36:38.760

mentioned lights ear said you used to

 

0:36:36.960,0:36:40.400

hunt with lights and of course I know

 

0:36:38.760,0:36:41.839

you're a thermal guy now have you ever

 

0:36:40.400,0:36:44.119

had any much experience with night

 

0:36:41.839,0:36:45.760

vision where's night vision rank for you

 

0:36:44.119,0:36:49.839

you night vising guy or

 

0:36:45.760,0:36:52.520

no yeah I've I've uh so back in the day

 

0:36:49.839,0:36:55.400

um there was a period of time where I

 

0:36:52.520,0:36:58.400

actually ran a PVS rear mounted on a

 

0:36:55.400,0:37:02.839

scope um we killed a ton of coyotes that

 

0:36:58.400,0:37:05.680

way um I had a a d760 I can't remember

 

0:37:02.839,0:37:08.079

what the company was who produced that

 

0:37:05.680,0:37:09.800

um the thing the thing about night

 

0:37:08.079,0:37:13.440

vision and I I know there are levels to

 

0:37:09.800,0:37:16.319

it but um you know it's having an IR

 

0:37:13.440,0:37:19.319

light using that as an Illuminator to

 

0:37:16.319,0:37:21.280

improve your image yeah you can kill

 

0:37:19.319,0:37:25.440

you'll kill more coyotes with night

 

0:37:21.280,0:37:28.599

vision then you will lights yeah um for

 

0:37:25.440,0:37:31.000

me Target acquisition of a thermal

 

0:37:28.599,0:37:34.400

finding actually finding your Target in

 

0:37:31.000,0:37:36.880

the optic it's you know even even in

 

0:37:34.400,0:37:39.040

night vision if the coyotes not close or

 

0:37:36.880,0:37:41.599

not looking at you to give you eye shine

 

0:37:39.040,0:37:44.160

in a cut corn field with you know foot

 

0:37:41.599,0:37:45.760

tall corn stalks in it kyot blend in

 

0:37:44.160,0:37:49.560

really well especially if you're looking

 

0:37:45.760,0:37:52.240

through a green you know so yeah so for

 

0:37:49.560,0:37:56.440

me that that picking your target out in

 

0:37:52.240,0:37:58.960

thermal is hands down the better option

 

0:37:56.440,0:38:01.319

but ultimately it's it's personal

 

0:37:58.960,0:38:02.280

preference um one of the things about

 

0:38:01.319,0:38:05.920

night

 

0:38:02.280,0:38:08.960

vision I I shot more accurately with

 

0:38:05.920,0:38:11.319

night vision going from from day hunting

 

0:38:08.960,0:38:13.319

to night hunting with lights where the

 

0:38:11.319,0:38:15.079

animals illuminated I'm actually looking

 

0:38:13.319,0:38:19.560

at the coyote through my day scope right

 

0:38:15.079,0:38:22.599

yep yep into into night vision where

 

0:38:19.560,0:38:25.319

you're still shooting that animal that's

 

0:38:22.599,0:38:28.440

illuminated in a different way versus

 

0:38:25.319,0:38:30.960

the digital screen of a thermal

 

0:38:28.440,0:38:32.880

um man I I think I missed my first five

 

0:38:30.960,0:38:35.079

or six shots when I switched over to

 

0:38:32.880,0:38:37.800

Thermal really it was just that that

 

0:38:35.079,0:38:40.880

learning C hard I hear that a lot I hear

 

0:38:37.800,0:38:42.640

that a lot and and even with clients you

 

0:38:40.880,0:38:45.200

know I get guys they either take right

 

0:38:42.640,0:38:49.319

to it or they really struggle right yeah

 

0:38:45.200,0:38:49.319

i' i' I'd be on The Struggle Bus

 

0:38:49.359,0:38:54.680

probably I struggled bad I remember I I

 

0:38:52.560,0:38:56.160

remember uh there were times I wanted to

 

0:38:54.680,0:38:58.640

smash those Optics and leave them in the

 

0:38:56.160,0:39:00.280

field when I first switched over but uh

 

0:38:58.640,0:39:03.319

I'm glad I stuck with it because now I'd

 

0:39:00.280,0:39:05.000

never I'd never go back right right well

 

0:39:03.319,0:39:06.960

let's talk about let's move on from that

 

0:39:05.000,0:39:09.079

let's talk about this is going to be a

 

0:39:06.960,0:39:11.880

great great topic because I know I see

 

0:39:09.079,0:39:15.160

this all the time with everybody uh what

 

0:39:11.880,0:39:17.440

about shooting platforms boat versus AR

 

0:39:15.160,0:39:19.079

platform where you at I know where you

 

0:39:17.440,0:39:24.680

at but I want to hear it from

 

0:39:19.079,0:39:28.240

you man guys guys put a lot of thought

 

0:39:24.680,0:39:30.960

into that and I just it's it's personal

 

0:39:28.240,0:39:33.640

preference it's personal preference so

 

0:39:30.960,0:39:35.119

from coming at it through the lens of a

 

0:39:33.640,0:39:38.480

guide like

 

0:39:35.119,0:39:41.359

before safety is very high on my list I

 

0:39:38.480,0:39:44.720

deal with strangers and Firearms all the

 

0:39:41.359,0:39:47.880

time I I have had a handful of clients

 

0:39:44.720,0:39:50.119

who had a negligent discharge every

 

0:39:47.880,0:39:52.800

single one of those was on an AR

 

0:39:50.119,0:39:55.760

platform yep um where they where they

 

0:39:52.800,0:39:58.760

had shot at a coyote

 

0:39:55.760,0:40:01.599

um and either their glove got caught on

 

0:39:58.760,0:40:04.040

the or they got excited and just

 

0:40:01.599,0:40:06.000

accidentally pulled the trigger again or

 

0:40:04.040,0:40:08.280

yeah they forgot to turn their safety

 

0:40:06.000,0:40:09.640

off or yeah turn their turn their safety

 

0:40:08.280,0:40:12.520

on and they were unloading the gun and

 

0:40:09.640,0:40:15.280

fired I I've seen everything that can

 

0:40:12.520,0:40:18.640

happen on a boat gun too you know it it

 

0:40:15.280,0:40:20.359

it can it can um I do I do find that

 

0:40:18.640,0:40:23.079

since I've switched to bolt guns with

 

0:40:20.359,0:40:24.880

clients that it has been a not I won't

 

0:40:23.079,0:40:28.920

say a non-issue it's still possible but

 

0:40:24.880,0:40:31.119

it's it's less likely to happen um I I

 

0:40:28.920,0:40:32.880

also am of the school of thought that if

 

0:40:31.119,0:40:35.040

they know they're going to have to Rack

 

0:40:32.880,0:40:37.359

around they're going to focus a little

 

0:40:35.040,0:40:40.280

bit better on that first shot versus an

 

0:40:37.359,0:40:42.480

AR and and we don't we don't shoot we

 

0:40:40.280,0:40:43.920

don't take running shots very very very

 

0:40:42.480,0:40:47.160

rarely will I let a client take a

 

0:40:43.920,0:40:49.480

running shot um one one is safety

 

0:40:47.160,0:40:51.560

obviously right two ultimately I'm

 

0:40:49.480,0:40:53.720

responsible for where their bullet goes

 

0:40:51.560,0:40:54.960

I know I know how far right or left we

 

0:40:53.720,0:40:56.520

can swing I know what's in the

 

0:40:54.960,0:40:57.960

background I know where there are houses

 

0:40:56.520,0:41:00.560

I know right

 

0:40:57.960,0:41:02.400

you know so if I have two clients I

 

0:41:00.560,0:41:05.480

standing directly behind and between

 

0:41:02.400,0:41:07.480

them if you get four coyotes to run in

 

0:41:05.480,0:41:09.880

they shoot the other coyotes move and

 

0:41:07.480,0:41:11.760

they all go left when they both guys are

 

0:41:09.880,0:41:13.520

they're not they're not rotating left

 

0:41:11.760,0:41:16.599

they're pivoting around the center of

 

0:41:13.520,0:41:18.480

their tripod left and the guy the guy on

 

0:41:16.599,0:41:19.800

the right you know if they run too far

 

0:41:18.480,0:41:24.160

left they

 

0:41:19.800,0:41:26.560

get yeah yes sir too close so another

 

0:41:24.160,0:41:28.960

thing with that unless you know this

 

0:41:26.560,0:41:30.720

that's part of the seminars I do too I

 

0:41:28.960,0:41:32.599

always try to urge people away from

 

0:41:30.720,0:41:35.359

shooting at running coyes especially if

 

0:41:32.599,0:41:39.280

you're a newer Coy Hunter now if you're

 

0:41:35.359,0:41:41.400

if like if you know your ground well and

 

0:41:39.280,0:41:44.680

you know all your shots are safe and

 

0:41:41.400,0:41:45.839

you're a tremendous shot yeah go ahead

 

0:41:44.680,0:41:47.960

go ahead if you're good at making

 

0:41:45.839,0:41:50.280

running shots but I think for your

 

0:41:47.960,0:41:53.480

average Kow Hunter and your average

 

0:41:50.280,0:41:56.240

shooter I and this is personal deal here

 

0:41:53.480,0:41:58.839

I personally believe that you will kill

 

0:41:56.240,0:42:01.720

more multiple coyotes on standby using

 

0:41:58.839,0:42:03.920

your eall using your remote and presets

 

0:42:01.720,0:42:06.160

and you ever will shooting at running

 

0:42:03.920,0:42:09.560

coyotes I have been trying to convince

 

0:42:06.160,0:42:12.400

people of this for years um I've even

 

0:42:09.560,0:42:14.480

gone as far as like go out and video a

 

0:42:12.400,0:42:16.400

stand where I'll shoot one and then call

 

0:42:14.480,0:42:19.559

the other ones back in and not even fire

 

0:42:16.400,0:42:22.240

a shot at them just just

 

0:42:19.559,0:42:25.319

experiment yeah and I always get I get a

 

0:42:22.240,0:42:28.040

lot of clients who particularly at night

 

0:42:25.319,0:42:29.880

who are blown away either I can get

 

0:42:28.040,0:42:32.599

those other coyotes to stop on the way

 

0:42:29.880,0:42:34.880

out for a shot y or call them call them

 

0:42:32.599,0:42:37.599

back in i' I'd rather a client take a

 

0:42:34.880,0:42:39.680

shot at a coyote at 300 yards stationary

 

0:42:37.599,0:42:41.480

than a running shot at 100 anyway oh of

 

0:42:39.680,0:42:43.160

course and probably the reason they're

 

0:42:41.480,0:42:45.440

they're shocked is because they've never

 

0:42:43.160,0:42:47.000

tried it they see three KY run in they

 

0:42:45.440,0:42:49.079

shoot the first one think they got a MAG

 

0:42:47.000,0:42:51.720

dump on the other two but I'm telling

 

0:42:49.079,0:42:53.480

you guys just watch watch our videos

 

0:42:51.720,0:42:55.200

watch all the fox Pro stuff all my old

 

0:42:53.480,0:42:59.680

tooth and Claw stuff there's there's

 

0:42:55.200,0:43:01.319

tons of doubles triples quads I will say

 

0:42:59.680,0:43:04.359

it again I brag on to they killed a

 

0:43:01.319,0:43:07.480

quint The Other Day Quint that was

 

0:43:04.359,0:43:09.720

awesome hey you keep stay on that remote

 

0:43:07.480,0:43:11.960

guys you can really you can you be

 

0:43:09.720,0:43:14.960

shocked with the right presets the right

 

0:43:11.960,0:43:19.079

preset set in there uh getting cows to

 

0:43:14.960,0:43:20.920

stop slow down or stop turn around and

 

0:43:19.079,0:43:22.640

come running right back in and shoot it

 

0:43:20.920,0:43:24.079

closer than you shot the first cow

 

0:43:22.640,0:43:25.760

you'll be amazed what you can put this

 

0:43:24.079,0:43:28.040

is everywhere I've hunted all over the

 

0:43:25.760,0:43:29.599

country it don't matter where I yes I

 

0:43:28.040,0:43:31.440

mean we'll be in we'll be in Wyoming

 

0:43:29.599,0:43:34.079

next week and if we get chances at

 

0:43:31.440,0:43:37.240

multiples I guarantee you I can get kyos

 

0:43:34.079,0:43:38.920

to stop for a second shot or third shot

 

0:43:37.240,0:43:40.800

in Wyoming or have them running right

 

0:43:38.920,0:43:42.599

back in the reason I know I can do it is

 

0:43:40.800,0:43:44.079

because I have done it out there even

 

0:43:42.599,0:43:46.480

when I have people tell me that you

 

0:43:44.079,0:43:49.720

can't do it I know you can I've done

 

0:43:46.480,0:43:52.559

it and it's and it's it's really like a

 

0:43:49.720,0:43:54.960

mental emotional thing where you know we

 

0:43:52.559,0:43:57.240

put so much time and effort and money in

 

0:43:54.960,0:44:00.319

our equipment and we we put the kill on

 

0:43:57.240,0:44:02.599

pedestal right yeah in our in our heads

 

0:44:00.319,0:44:04.760

we're watching those coyotes run away

 

0:44:02.599,0:44:07.559

and to us that's that's an opportunity

 

0:44:04.760,0:44:10.200

that's just literally running away we

 

0:44:07.559,0:44:12.079

just we just yeah sometimes people just

 

0:44:10.200,0:44:14.440

can't stand it they have to let one rip

 

0:44:12.079,0:44:17.040

at it but man you can you can do things

 

0:44:14.440,0:44:19.160

on your remote so like that tx1000

 

0:44:17.040,0:44:21.800

remote's phenomenal so like at night if

 

0:44:19.160,0:44:24.480

I got a Coy coming in to Rabbit you know

 

0:44:21.800,0:44:28.079

ky's coming in mute the call I'll scroll

 

0:44:24.480,0:44:30.599

down to a how right oh be ready for you

 

0:44:28.079,0:44:32.520

yeah yep Boon loan wine house is the one

 

0:44:30.599,0:44:34.440

I've got on the on as number one so I

 

0:44:32.520,0:44:37.040

always scroll down to it so I'll mute

 

0:44:34.440,0:44:39.319

and unmute that coyote or the the caller

 

0:44:37.040,0:44:42.200

as that coyote comes to Rabbit well as

 

0:44:39.319,0:44:43.920

soon as they shoot I how that way if

 

0:44:42.200,0:44:45.960

they miss that coyote a lot of times

 

0:44:43.920,0:44:48.520

will go from a dead Sprint stretched out

 

0:44:45.960,0:44:50.400

ears back yep they they raise their head

 

0:44:48.520,0:44:51.839

their body language changes they lope a

 

0:44:50.400,0:44:53.800

little bit they start looking around I'm

 

0:44:51.839,0:44:56.040

like hey that kyo's going to stop be

 

0:44:53.800,0:44:58.079

ready for it to stop and you can you can

 

0:44:56.040,0:45:00.640

do things to Pro effectively get them to

 

0:44:58.079,0:45:02.119

stop oh yeah and you just made a great

 

0:45:00.640,0:45:03.960

point right there you talk about years

 

0:45:02.119,0:45:05.119

back that's something I tell people too

 

0:45:03.960,0:45:07.000

I'm not trying to make it sound like

 

0:45:05.119,0:45:09.400

I've never shot at a running cow of

 

0:45:07.000,0:45:12.520

course I've shot at running cows and I

 

0:45:09.400,0:45:16.240

have hit yeah I say I've I've I've hit

 

0:45:12.520,0:45:18.480

some and I've missed even more but you

 

0:45:16.240,0:45:21.000

can tell by reading these ky's body

 

0:45:18.480,0:45:23.200

language and and you made a you your

 

0:45:21.000,0:45:24.839

statement you said years back if you

 

0:45:23.200,0:45:26.400

read those coyotes when you got that

 

0:45:24.839,0:45:28.280

second third or fourth coyote that's

 

0:45:26.400,0:45:31.400

taken off or maybe the coyot that you

 

0:45:28.280,0:45:32.920

missed when he's taking off you can read

 

0:45:31.400,0:45:34.160

his body language you can tell pretty

 

0:45:32.920,0:45:36.319

quick if you're going to be able to stop

 

0:45:34.160,0:45:37.720

at coyot or stop him and have him turn

 

0:45:36.319,0:45:40.280

and come running back in or if he's

 

0:45:37.720,0:45:42.480

going to keep going if you see his ears

 

0:45:40.280,0:45:43.839

laid back just pinned back and he's only

 

0:45:42.480,0:45:46.440

like inches off the ground and he's

 

0:45:43.839,0:45:48.520

making rooster Tails as he runs if you

 

0:45:46.440,0:45:51.040

got a if you've got you know if it's

 

0:45:48.520,0:45:53.319

safe go ahead shoot that sucker because

 

0:45:51.040,0:45:55.480

he a't stopping but if he's not acting

 

0:45:53.319,0:45:57.079

like that you you can tell pretty quick

 

0:45:55.480,0:45:59.200

if you're going to be able to stop at KY

 

0:45:57.079,0:46:03.000

with a with a sound

 

0:45:59.200,0:46:04.240

change I I agree I could not agree more

 

0:46:03.000,0:46:06.000

that's pretty good stuff one thing I

 

0:46:04.240,0:46:08.040

want to ask you two things I want to ask

 

0:46:06.000,0:46:11.160

you on this rifle deal you talking about

 

0:46:08.040,0:46:13.280

going to a boat gun with your clients uh

 

0:46:11.160,0:46:16.119

have you have you seen a difference and

 

0:46:13.280,0:46:17.960

amount of coyotes killed at the end of

 

0:46:16.119,0:46:19.599

the season since you've went to boat gun

 

0:46:17.960,0:46:22.359

is there is there a difference the same

 

0:46:19.599,0:46:25.800

more or less or I know you feel safer

 

0:46:22.359,0:46:27.880

you said with them running both but it

 

0:46:25.800,0:46:29.880

would be hard for me to say because I I

 

0:46:27.880,0:46:34.359

do get a mix of guys who bring their own

 

0:46:29.880,0:46:36.119

guns and um last year last year was a

 

0:46:34.359,0:46:38.720

phenomenal year as far as how many

 

0:46:36.119,0:46:41.640

kyotes we called in

 

0:46:38.720,0:46:43.319

um I would say yeah I would say I would

 

0:46:41.640,0:46:45.720

say they're a little higher percentage

 

0:46:43.319,0:46:47.880

as far as shooting on my rifles yeah I

 

0:46:45.720,0:46:49.800

would I would say that pretty not by a

 

0:46:47.880,0:46:52.559

ton but I would say there's been an

 

0:46:49.800,0:46:54.040

increase okay well what about uh the

 

0:46:52.559,0:46:56.559

other thing I was wanting to ask you

 

0:46:54.040,0:46:59.880

about before we bounce off from that

 

0:46:56.559,0:47:02.119

from platform stuff is uh say you're

 

0:46:59.880,0:47:04.160

going say you are goingon to go pleasure

 

0:47:02.119,0:47:06.440

hunting this weekend say if you're going

 

0:47:04.160,0:47:08.319

to go hunt say the Eastern started back

 

0:47:06.440,0:47:10.559

up the big Eastern Predator hunt which I

 

0:47:08.319,0:47:11.880

know you've hunted before in the past I

 

0:47:10.559,0:47:14.760

think it's the first time I ever met you

 

0:47:11.880,0:47:17.319

was at the very first Eastern uh years

 

0:47:14.760,0:47:19.640

ago uh if you was going to go hunt that

 

0:47:17.319,0:47:24.160

uh you taking AR you taking a

 

0:47:19.640,0:47:27.280

boat Jo Worth hunting it yeah I'm gonna

 

0:47:24.160,0:47:28.920

take a bolt gun um well that the there's

 

0:47:27.280,0:47:30.359

not enough money on the planet they

 

0:47:28.920,0:47:33.839

could talk me into hunting a two-day

 

0:47:30.359,0:47:35.599

contest ever again because those thing

 

0:47:33.839,0:47:37.880

those things take years off of your life

 

0:47:35.599,0:47:41.440

you got too old

 

0:47:37.880,0:47:43.400

now yes sir that's that's uh that's no

 

0:47:41.440,0:47:46.319

that's that will never I Won't Say Never

 

0:47:43.400,0:47:47.960

but man I'm I'm gonna have to be bored

 

0:47:46.319,0:47:51.559

or desperate to hunt one of those things

 

0:47:47.960,0:47:52.960

but um yeah man I would use a bolt gun I

 

0:47:51.559,0:47:55.599

wouldn't change anything from what I'm

 

0:47:52.960,0:47:57.520

doing now you know and that said like my

 

0:47:55.599,0:48:01.160

good buddies uh

 

0:47:57.520,0:48:02.680

Justin repy Nate Stander kushman um

 

0:48:01.160,0:48:04.559

those guys are putting up massive

 

0:48:02.680,0:48:07.240

numbers we're all running one shot

 

0:48:04.559,0:48:09.040

rifles yeah bolt guns that's it and

 

0:48:07.240,0:48:12.400

we're all looking in that six millimeter

 

0:48:09.040,0:48:14.119

range something in the sixish you know

 

0:48:12.400,0:48:15.599

well that that was going to be my next

 

0:48:14.119,0:48:17.240

question so go ahead and run with it

 

0:48:15.599,0:48:19.240

watch you watch your caliber choices for

 

0:48:17.240,0:48:20.680

night hunting while you running what do

 

0:48:19.240,0:48:23.359

you suggest what you say to stay your

 

0:48:20.680,0:48:25.240

way from all that kind of good stuff I

 

0:48:23.359,0:48:27.880

I'm a keep a simple kind of person I

 

0:48:25.240,0:48:29.599

like a 243 I want a find a factory load

 

0:48:27.880,0:48:32.040

that that groups an inch or better if I

 

0:48:29.599,0:48:33.200

can find it I I want to shoot bullets I

 

0:48:32.040,0:48:35.359

don't want to make bullets I don't I

 

0:48:33.200,0:48:36.800

don't have time to hand load um I know

 

0:48:35.359,0:48:38.839

there are guys out there like those

 

0:48:36.800,0:48:40.960

other guys I just mentioned man they

 

0:48:38.839,0:48:43.480

they have their stuff down to a science

 

0:48:40.960,0:48:45.119

and they like I said they're we all the

 

0:48:43.480,0:48:46.760

four of us went went and hunted one

 

0:48:45.119,0:48:49.400

night I think we'd killed like 13 by

 

0:48:46.760,0:48:51.480

1:00 am just goofing off and I watched

 

0:48:49.400,0:48:54.040

those guys crack a double a simultaneous

 

0:48:51.480,0:48:55.920

double like 550 and I'm like man there

 

0:48:54.040,0:48:58.839

are not a lot of guys in the country who

 

0:48:55.920,0:49:00.520

can do that yeah and yeah you know

 

0:48:58.839,0:49:03.040

they're stacking numbers because they

 

0:49:00.520,0:49:04.319

are exceptional shots right I mean some

 

0:49:03.040,0:49:07.599

of some of the better Shooters are going

 

0:49:04.319,0:49:10.319

to come across but um you know I like

 

0:49:07.599,0:49:13.319

that six millimeter range I've man I've

 

0:49:10.319,0:49:18.480

killed him with everything from a a a 22

 

0:49:13.319,0:49:21.040

caliber handgun to a 308 maybe oh oh

 

0:49:18.480,0:49:23.200

Jake Jake from one shot we got a couple

 

0:49:21.040,0:49:26.520

videos out there last year he brought us

 

0:49:23.200,0:49:29.280

three 338 uh and then this year he

 

0:49:26.520,0:49:31.680

brought a 408 shyac so we've shot him

 

0:49:29.280,0:49:34.760

everything in between yeah you

 

0:49:31.680,0:49:36.680

know sometimes you get bored but uh SS

 

0:49:34.760,0:49:39.559

fun to

 

0:49:36.680,0:49:41.599

me YouTube YouTube uh they don't get

 

0:49:39.559,0:49:43.280

they're not real happy about those

 

0:49:41.599,0:49:45.599

videos

 

0:49:43.280,0:49:47.240

explosions that's right that's right but

 

0:49:45.599,0:49:49.240

you know that said just because I've

 

0:49:47.240,0:49:51.480

called and killed coyotes with a 22

 

0:49:49.240,0:49:55.040

caliber pistol it doesn't make it a good

 

0:49:51.480,0:49:56.799

caliber to use you know it it it's uh to

 

0:49:55.040,0:49:59.040

me

 

0:49:56.799,0:50:01.319

you know there's a lot of debate about

 

0:49:59.040,0:50:04.240

223s whether they're good for coyotes or

 

0:50:01.319,0:50:07.000

bad for coyotes and to me Bullet

 

0:50:04.240,0:50:10.559

selection is as are more important than

 

0:50:07.000,0:50:12.760

the caliber you're using um that said I

 

0:50:10.559,0:50:14.319

I stay away from rimfires completely

 

0:50:12.760,0:50:17.079

unless I just get bored and want to do

 

0:50:14.319,0:50:20.400

something different right um you know if

 

0:50:17.079,0:50:23.160

you're consistently wanting to you know

 

0:50:20.400,0:50:26.799

kill the coyotes that come into the call

 

0:50:23.160,0:50:28.640

there's really no such thing as too big

 

0:50:26.799,0:50:31.160

watch I've watched coyotes take a 308

 

0:50:28.640,0:50:32.839

and run away from it oh yeah I had I had

 

0:50:31.160,0:50:35.040

I had a bunch of clients last year with

 

0:50:32.839,0:50:37.440

65 Creed Moores they hit him and the

 

0:50:35.040,0:50:39.480

kyotes would run off um maybe run off

 

0:50:37.440,0:50:42.799

and die maybe run a 100 yards and die

 

0:50:39.480,0:50:45.280

maybe maybe just just carry it off but

 

0:50:42.799,0:50:47.680

from bullet selection shot placement I'm

 

0:50:45.280,0:50:49.000

assuming yeah yeah shot placement is

 

0:50:47.680,0:50:50.079

important and bullet selection's

 

0:50:49.000,0:50:52.400

important you don't want something

 

0:50:50.079,0:50:53.599

that's too frangible um and you don't

 

0:50:52.400,0:50:55.119

want something that's just going to pin

 

0:50:53.599,0:50:58.079

hole through either you got to find that

 

0:50:55.119,0:50:59.880

balance what what C I say people show up

 

0:50:58.079,0:51:02.960

and they bring their own their own

 

0:50:59.880,0:51:04.720

rifles all that stuff um which I'm sure

 

0:51:02.960,0:51:07.079

I know you have some guys that do that

 

0:51:04.720,0:51:08.799

is there ever somebody breaks out

 

0:51:07.079,0:51:10.200

whatever caliber is there any of them

 

0:51:08.799,0:51:12.079

that that when they bring them you

 

0:51:10.200,0:51:13.400

cringe and you're like ah maybe you

 

0:51:12.079,0:51:16.960

should shoot

 

0:51:13.400,0:51:20.040

M yeah no I'm gonna get some hate for

 

0:51:16.960,0:51:24.319

this I love it throw it out there I know

 

0:51:20.040,0:51:27.720

I know I know uh I have seen more

 

0:51:24.319,0:51:29.559

Runners percentage wise with a 204 that

 

0:51:27.720,0:51:31.680

I have any other caliber the clients you

 

0:51:29.559,0:51:34.200

ain't goingon to get no hate here i' I

 

0:51:31.680,0:51:36.079

hey I can speak with a 204 from

 

0:51:34.200,0:51:38.319

experience I probably killed like 300

 

0:51:36.079,0:51:40.960

some coyes with a with a 204 so I can

 

0:51:38.319,0:51:42.240

talk on them they're not the best if you

 

0:51:40.960,0:51:45.200

think they're the best they're not the

 

0:51:42.240,0:51:47.640

best telling you no no how many of you

 

0:51:45.200,0:51:50.520

watched run away from it too many too

 

0:51:47.640,0:51:52.680

many too many yeah and that's you know

 

0:51:50.520,0:51:54.559

and and even you know you look at guns

 

0:51:52.680,0:51:57.960

that are geared a little more toward

 

0:51:54.559,0:52:00.520

Hogs um you know you're 300 Blackout

 

0:51:57.960,0:52:02.559

your 65 grindle your 68 SPC that are

 

0:52:00.520,0:52:06.040

more of a hog style gun they're heavier

 

0:52:02.559,0:52:08.960

and slower um you know even with the

 

0:52:06.040,0:52:12.319

right bullet selection you can make

 

0:52:08.960,0:52:14.559

those good Kyo guns right right for for

 

0:52:12.319,0:52:16.960

me like I said I'mma keep it simple with

 

0:52:14.559,0:52:20.799

with a 70 grain projectile out of my

 

0:52:16.960,0:52:23.400

rifle 33 3600 feet per second somewhere

 

0:52:20.799,0:52:25.599

in that window I can the bullets I'm

 

0:52:23.400,0:52:27.200

shooting right now I can keep an over

 

0:52:25.599,0:52:29.240

under where I'm like an inch and three

 

0:52:27.200,0:52:33.400

quarters high at 100 and dead nuts at

 

0:52:29.240,0:52:35.400

300 so so if if I call that coyote in

 

0:52:33.400,0:52:37.119

and I can tell a client look just hold

 

0:52:35.400,0:52:38.400

hold in the middle you're gonna hit it

 

0:52:37.119,0:52:39.640

yep you know if you're holding on when

 

0:52:38.400,0:52:42.559

you squeeze that trigger you're gonna

 

0:52:39.640,0:52:45.640

kill it so you know you mentioned that

 

0:52:42.559,0:52:49.119

probably the caliber that I see debated

 

0:52:45.640,0:52:52.280

on it used to be 223 a bunch and you see

 

0:52:49.119,0:52:54.640

the 204 a lot um people would talk about

 

0:52:52.280,0:52:58.720

the 204 and they would say you know well

 

0:52:54.640,0:53:00.480

the the 204 and the 20 2 250 have almost

 

0:52:58.720,0:53:02.920

identical ballistics you'll hear people

 

0:53:00.480,0:53:05.280

say stuff like that well they they're

 

0:53:02.920,0:53:07.520

ballistically they might look pretty

 

0:53:05.280,0:53:10.240

similar but the way they perform once

 

0:53:07.520,0:53:12.599

they hit an animal like a cow is totally

 

0:53:10.240,0:53:15.119

totally different and it's hard to get

 

0:53:12.599,0:53:18.079

people to understand that but the O the

 

0:53:15.119,0:53:21.520

next big uh debate that I've seen come

 

0:53:18.079,0:53:23.160

up is the 6.5 grindle you I have zero

 

0:53:21.520,0:53:25.920

experience with it so I cannot speak on

 

0:53:23.160,0:53:27.640

it but I see that come up quite a bit

 

0:53:25.920,0:53:28.960

and there either it seem like there's

 

0:53:27.640,0:53:31.440

nothing in between people's either

 

0:53:28.960,0:53:33.240

absolutely loving a 6.5 grindle or

 

0:53:31.440,0:53:35.160

they're absolutely dogging it and of

 

0:53:33.240,0:53:38.040

course I'm on the outside looking in and

 

0:53:35.160,0:53:41.480

I'm sitting there like why would I

 

0:53:38.040,0:53:44.200

cannot fathom it don't make sense to me

 

0:53:41.480,0:53:47.640

why 6.5

 

0:53:44.200,0:53:50.559

grindle is an option for cow hunt and I

 

0:53:47.640,0:53:54.319

say that as nice as I can how did the

 

0:53:50.559,0:53:57.720

6.5 grindle get so popular for one

 

0:53:54.319,0:54:00.200

thing man people you know you know how

 

0:53:57.720,0:54:02.079

you can shoot that AR15 platform is that

 

0:54:00.200,0:54:05.280

correct I guess that's probably part of

 

0:54:02.079,0:54:06.839

it yeah and man like bullets will come

 

0:54:05.280,0:54:08.200

up it'll kind of become trendy and

 

0:54:06.839,0:54:11.200

people will you know there's a lot of

 

0:54:08.200,0:54:12.760

user bias a lot of confirmation bias

 

0:54:11.200,0:54:15.440

people want to be like oh yeah what I'm

 

0:54:12.760,0:54:17.960

using is the best but it's to me it's

 

0:54:15.440,0:54:20.000

like this there's nobody debating

 

0:54:17.960,0:54:26.920

whether a 243 is a good round for

 

0:54:20.000,0:54:28.640

coyotes no no Mount rore caliber

 

0:54:26.920,0:54:30.680

you know so like to me that's probably

 

0:54:28.640,0:54:33.119

what Teddy Roosevelt's going to KY hunt

 

0:54:30.680,0:54:36.880

with he's

 

0:54:33.119,0:54:38.520

on yeah if there's a debate about you

 

0:54:36.880,0:54:42.000

know if people are getting a lot of

 

0:54:38.520,0:54:45.079

different results and it's pretty

 

0:54:42.000,0:54:46.680

split then then it's not a great caliber

 

0:54:45.079,0:54:48.640

for it should it should alarm you

 

0:54:46.680,0:54:51.720

shouldn't it you should be able to see

 

0:54:48.640,0:54:54.319

that yeah yeah and you know and it goes

 

0:54:51.720,0:54:56.599

like back to the 223 thing I killed I've

 

0:54:54.319,0:54:59.319

killed hundreds with the 223 I've

 

0:54:56.599,0:55:03.160

watched a lot of coyotes run away from

 

0:54:59.319,0:55:05.240

say a 53 or a 55 grain V-Max but I've

 

0:55:03.160,0:55:08.440

never watched one take a step with a 60

 

0:55:05.240,0:55:10.400

gr noer ballistic tip right so right

 

0:55:08.440,0:55:12.000

there's there's a lot to be said for

 

0:55:10.400,0:55:14.319

bullet selection and there are a ton of

 

0:55:12.000,0:55:16.839

bullets out there that people can choose

 

0:55:14.319,0:55:19.640

um and the 65 grindle the same way I had

 

0:55:16.839,0:55:22.200

a my buddy Justin I remember I remember

 

0:55:19.640,0:55:23.240

him battling at battling with this 65 gr

 

0:55:22.200,0:55:25.680

man he'd shoot

 

0:55:23.240,0:55:27.480

him tendering him and the things would

 

0:55:25.680,0:55:29.240

run 200 yards and fall over dead and

 

0:55:27.480,0:55:31.880

he's just like man why are they not you

 

0:55:29.240,0:55:34.839

know kinetic energy hydrostatic shock

 

0:55:31.880,0:55:36.680

kills a lot of coyotes right um I want

 

0:55:34.839,0:55:38.079

them to just drop dead in their tracks I

 

0:55:36.680,0:55:39.400

don't want them to run a hundred yards

 

0:55:38.079,0:55:41.920

and we have to drag them an extra

 

0:55:39.400,0:55:44.400

hundred yards right I just I want them

 

0:55:41.920,0:55:47.280

to die right where they're at it's it's

 

0:55:44.400,0:55:49.160

uh but I mean ultimately it is it is

 

0:55:47.280,0:55:51.359

user preference if you have to use what

 

0:55:49.160,0:55:53.880

you have use what you have if what

 

0:55:51.359,0:55:55.319

you're using is killing a ton of coyotes

 

0:55:53.880,0:55:57.280

and there are other people saying oh

 

0:55:55.319,0:56:00.799

it's no good don't listen to them keep

 

0:55:57.280,0:56:03.799

doing what you're doing yeah oh you know

 

0:56:00.799,0:56:06.160

by there's enough out there yeah with

 

0:56:03.799,0:56:09.559

social media there's enough information

 

0:56:06.160,0:56:12.480

out there to know when something is is

 

0:56:09.559,0:56:14.400

ideal for what you're doing you know uh

 

0:56:12.480,0:56:15.720

a lot of these podcasts I always have a

 

0:56:14.400,0:56:17.720

section I always ask you know if your

 

0:56:15.720,0:56:19.359

life depended on it you know to save

 

0:56:17.720,0:56:21.359

your life for one shot what caliber

 

0:56:19.359,0:56:23.400

you're taking I ain't got to ask Joey

 

0:56:21.359,0:56:27.039

that because I know he's taking

 

0:56:23.400,0:56:30.319

243 every time every single time and the

 

0:56:27.039,0:56:33.520

reason the reason I do that there was

 

0:56:30.319,0:56:35.839

you know topics came up you know while

 

0:56:33.520,0:56:38.319

back on caliber choices people talking

 

0:56:35.839,0:56:41.280

about Rim fires and talking about

 

0:56:38.319,0:56:44.079

subpar Center fire cartridges and I'm

 

0:56:41.280,0:56:45.880

like why why you know sometimes kyes can

 

0:56:44.079,0:56:47.559

be tough to call up why would you go

 

0:56:45.880,0:56:49.280

through all the battles having dry stand

 

0:56:47.559,0:56:51.200

dry stand dry stand and all a sudden one

 

0:56:49.280,0:56:53.160

works out where you have one of those

 

0:56:51.200,0:56:55.000

magical stands where you call in a big

 

0:56:53.160,0:56:56.480

family group of coyotes and then you

 

0:56:55.000,0:56:58.119

don't you can't collect them because

 

0:56:56.480,0:57:00.559

they all packed your bullet off because

 

0:56:58.119,0:57:02.480

you shot something subpar and it's just

 

0:57:00.559,0:57:04.799

hard it seems like it's hard to drive

 

0:57:02.480,0:57:06.760

that into people's minds and like you

 

0:57:04.799,0:57:09.359

talking about you know there there's no

 

0:57:06.760,0:57:11.680

such really such thing as too big but

 

0:57:09.359,0:57:14.720

there really is that sweet spot when it

 

0:57:11.680,0:57:17.599

comes to Predator rounds K especially

 

0:57:14.720,0:57:20.559

kyot rounds you know that 22 250 22

 

0:57:17.599,0:57:22.760

Creed 243 6 millim range you know throw

 

0:57:20.559,0:57:26.440

the 220 Swift in there if you want to

 

0:57:22.760,0:57:29.000

although I see that come up a lot and

 

0:57:26.440,0:57:31.839

I shot I've been around a 220 Swift

 

0:57:29.000,0:57:34.599

years and years and years ago dad used

 

0:57:31.839,0:57:37.160

to have some um you shoot them in little

 

0:57:34.599,0:57:39.720

40 45 grain pills and they Splash on a

 

0:57:37.160,0:57:41.839

hide they're not always the best option

 

0:57:39.720,0:57:44.960

either and without that one and 14 twist

 

0:57:41.839,0:57:46.559

Barrel so you know there's defin you can

 

0:57:44.960,0:57:48.920

take something that's like the original

 

0:57:46.559,0:57:50.680

King of speed like a 220 Swift and it's

 

0:57:48.920,0:57:52.319

not always the best option unless you've

 

0:57:50.680,0:57:56.200

got the right twist and bullet selection

 

0:57:52.319,0:57:58.359

to be put into thems yes exactly and and

 

0:57:56.200,0:58:00.280

you know it used to be guys were coyo

 

0:57:58.359,0:58:03.720

hunting for fur well we all know the fur

 

0:58:00.280,0:58:06.319

Market's terrible and we're most of us

 

0:58:03.720,0:58:07.640

the vast majority of us are just we're

 

0:58:06.319,0:58:10.359

supporting the North American turkey

 

0:58:07.640,0:58:12.760

Buzzard we're not we're not skinning

 

0:58:10.359,0:58:14.400

coyotes and you know it's it's really

 

0:58:12.760,0:58:17.160

about getting rid of the coyotes in an

 

0:58:14.400,0:58:18.839

area because they're a pest right um and

 

0:58:17.160,0:58:22.160

it's fun ultimately it's fun is why we

 

0:58:18.839,0:58:23.799

do it but but that excuse doesn't really

 

0:58:22.160,0:58:26.160

hold water anymore because there are

 

0:58:23.799,0:58:27.839

bullets you can use now in a bigger

 

0:58:26.160,0:58:32.559

caliber that are not going to damage the

 

0:58:27.839,0:58:35.240

heights right yeah exactly like 20 22250

 

0:58:32.559,0:58:37.839

I've shot everybody knows I shoot that

 

0:58:35.240,0:58:41.200

um I've shot 24 I probably killed more

 

0:58:37.839,0:58:43.960

coyotes with a 22 250 than anything else

 

0:58:41.200,0:58:46.920

243 is probably next and then third's

 

0:58:43.960,0:58:49.240

probably going to be the 22 Creed um

 

0:58:46.920,0:58:52.079

yeah this and all three of those have

 

0:58:49.240,0:58:55.559

been known to tear up a cow you know or

 

0:58:52.079,0:58:57.480

have have that stigma the stuff I shoot

 

0:58:55.559,0:58:59.400

the the bullets I shoot with the twist

 

0:58:57.480,0:59:01.599

rate The Twist to the barrel that I

 

0:58:59.400,0:59:03.359

shoot I don't tear up many animals I

 

0:59:01.599,0:59:05.680

mean I've shot I couldn't tell you the

 

0:59:03.359,0:59:07.119

last time I shot a bobcat and tore it up

 

0:59:05.680,0:59:11.359

and I'm talking about shooting them with

 

0:59:07.119,0:59:13.480

22 Creeds and you know 22 250s at 30

 

0:59:11.359,0:59:16.599

steps and you know usually it's just a

 

0:59:13.480,0:59:19.480

little 22 caliber entry hole and no exit

 

0:59:16.599,0:59:21.240

and when I was shooting a 243 a lot the

 

0:59:19.480,0:59:24.200

loads and I I got a six Creed sitting

 

0:59:21.240,0:59:26.200

over in the corner that I take some um a

 

0:59:24.200,0:59:29.240

lot of times with the bullet selection

 

0:59:26.200,0:59:31.640

I'm using with my twist rate if I do

 

0:59:29.240,0:59:34.520

have any passrs it usually is with like

 

0:59:31.640,0:59:36.880

my 243s and 6 millim and usually it's

 

0:59:34.520,0:59:39.039

just a size of a nickel or something you

 

0:59:36.880,0:59:43.000

know about that size so it's not tearing

 

0:59:39.039,0:59:45.880

them up uh so you know it all really

 

0:59:43.000,0:59:48.720

there really is an equation there for

 

0:59:45.880,0:59:51.079

your KY size animals your Bobcat siiz

 

0:59:48.720,0:59:54.680

animals your Fox it all there an

 

0:59:51.079,0:59:56.200

equation of bullet selection Barrel

 

0:59:54.680,0:59:59.319

twist

 

0:59:56.200,1:00:00.559

and you know speed if all that isn't

 

0:59:59.319,1:00:02.440

where it needs to be you're probably not

 

1:00:00.559,1:00:03.359

going to tear up many coyot coyotes and

 

1:00:02.440,1:00:04.160

they're going to drop them right in

 

1:00:03.359,1:00:07.359

their

 

1:00:04.160,1:00:09.520

tracks yep exactly

 

1:00:07.359,1:00:10.839

right man we've been on here for a long

 

1:00:09.520,1:00:12.599

time and I hate to hold you on here but

 

1:00:10.839,1:00:15.079

I got like a couple more questions I've

 

1:00:12.599,1:00:16.880

got to I want to ask you so bad and one

 

1:00:15.079,1:00:19.240

of them is you're good one of them is

 

1:00:16.880,1:00:22.680

with night hunting what tell us some of

 

1:00:19.240,1:00:24.079

the most common mistakes that you see KY

 

1:00:22.680,1:00:26.559

Hunters make and the reason I want to

 

1:00:24.079,1:00:29.119

ask you that is because of the guiding C

 

1:00:26.559,1:00:31.599

and you take so many clients so I know

 

1:00:29.119,1:00:33.799

you see all kinds of different Hunters

 

1:00:31.599,1:00:35.559

different kind of people from all over

 

1:00:33.799,1:00:38.200

the country what are some of the most

 

1:00:35.559,1:00:40.720

common mistakes uh that you see some of

 

1:00:38.200,1:00:42.039

these Hunters making at night uh that

 

1:00:40.720,1:00:43.359

maybe somebody wouldn't be thinking

 

1:00:42.039,1:00:47.200

about they could really improve their

 

1:00:43.359,1:00:49.440

odds for night hunting CS um okay so

 

1:00:47.200,1:00:51.839

from from the guide perspective I don't

 

1:00:49.440,1:00:53.720

I don't really get to see how they would

 

1:00:51.839,1:00:56.119

set up where they would put the call how

 

1:00:53.720,1:01:00.079

they would so but what I do get to see

 

1:00:56.119,1:01:02.480

as them shoot yes and i' I've put a lot

 

1:01:00.079,1:01:03.680

of thought into how can I make them

 

1:01:02.480,1:01:06.000

better

 

1:01:03.680,1:01:08.240

shots that way there's a higher because

 

1:01:06.000,1:01:09.920

it's mean it it's a lot of work to do

 

1:01:08.240,1:01:13.039

The Scouting and call these coyotes in

 

1:01:09.920,1:01:16.119

and have them run away educated

 

1:01:13.039,1:01:18.200

um the the biggest thing with these

 

1:01:16.119,1:01:22.160

Optics these thermal optics it's really

 

1:01:18.200,1:01:25.160

easy to get lazy in them and I I I I

 

1:01:22.160,1:01:26.960

would say shot selection and I think I

 

1:01:25.160,1:01:29.799

probably mean shot about timing more

 

1:01:26.960,1:01:32.440

than selection yep um like we talked

 

1:01:29.799,1:01:34.319

about earlier a ky will come in um I'll

 

1:01:32.440,1:01:35.720

usually howl or whimper on a diaphragm

 

1:01:34.319,1:01:38.039

to get it to stop or I'll howl on the

 

1:01:35.720,1:01:41.160

e-collar which is a way from us to keep

 

1:01:38.039,1:01:43.680

the attention away um so I'll get the

 

1:01:41.160,1:01:46.240

coyote to stop and then the clients will

 

1:01:43.680,1:01:48.240

be settling in and the KY will take a

 

1:01:46.240,1:01:50.599

step boom and they'll shoot right behind

 

1:01:48.240,1:01:53.319

or over right where you know they'll

 

1:01:50.599,1:01:55.440

just miss as the coyote takes a step

 

1:01:53.319,1:01:57.200

right right and I I started I started

 

1:01:55.440,1:01:58.880

thinking that I'm like I'm like What's

 

1:01:57.200,1:01:59.960

the difference between how I would have

 

1:01:58.880,1:02:02.400

killed that and how they would have

 

1:01:59.960,1:02:05.319

killed it well when that Coyote's coming

 

1:02:02.400,1:02:06.720

in clients because what's nice about The

 

1:02:05.319,1:02:09.680

Thermals is they have the option to

 

1:02:06.720,1:02:11.920

record so I record a lot of their you

 

1:02:09.680,1:02:14.079

know a lot of the Hunts and going back

 

1:02:11.920,1:02:15.480

and watching them Coyote's coming in and

 

1:02:14.079,1:02:17.119

it's getting in range and I'll say to

 

1:02:15.480,1:02:19.880

them hey I'm getting ready to stop it

 

1:02:17.119,1:02:22.319

are you ready yes well when I say that I

 

1:02:19.880,1:02:25.279

notice that the coyote is just somewhere

 

1:02:22.319,1:02:27.039

in their sight picture versus when I'm

 

1:02:25.279,1:02:29.839

getting ready to kill it my crosshairs

 

1:02:27.039,1:02:33.079

are on the coyotes anticipating them

 

1:02:29.839,1:02:35.440

stopping right so so you know my

 

1:02:33.079,1:02:39.119

crosshairs are on it the Kyo stops

 

1:02:35.440,1:02:42.920

within within a second he's dead versus

 

1:02:39.119,1:02:44.279

a lot of clients I see you know the

 

1:02:42.920,1:02:46.599

Coyote's in their sight picture

 

1:02:44.279,1:02:48.119

somewhere I'm gonna stop it okay stop

 

1:02:46.599,1:02:50.200

the coyote now they're moving their

 

1:02:48.119,1:02:51.920

crosshairs to the coyote yeah right now

 

1:02:50.200,1:02:53.839

they're taking time to settle settle in

 

1:02:51.920,1:02:56.119

and now the Coyote's moving again just a

 

1:02:53.839,1:02:58.079

step I

 

1:02:56.119,1:03:00.559

I would say I would say the timing of

 

1:02:58.079,1:03:03.000

when they choose to shoot is probably

 

1:03:00.559,1:03:04.559

the biggest mistake I see them make

 

1:03:03.000,1:03:07.319

interesting

 

1:03:04.559,1:03:09.240

interesting well let me ask you this is

 

1:03:07.319,1:03:10.960

it is there any possibility I'm GNA be

 

1:03:09.240,1:03:13.279

able to get you on this podcast another

 

1:03:10.960,1:03:15.680

time or two this has been awesome

 

1:03:13.279,1:03:17.599

podcast I'd love to have you on guest

 

1:03:15.680,1:03:20.760

again another time or two if you've got

 

1:03:17.599,1:03:22.799

the time to do it I I think I could

 

1:03:20.760,1:03:24.760

probably probably do another podcast or

 

1:03:22.799,1:03:26.319

two I'd be happy to well I tell what I'd

 

1:03:24.760,1:03:27.680

like to do I'd like to

 

1:03:26.319,1:03:30.119

there's cuz there's some other stuff I

 

1:03:27.680,1:03:31.760

like to is you know I'd keep you on here

 

1:03:30.119,1:03:36.000

the whole time but I know you got stuff

 

1:03:31.760,1:03:38.480

to do and I you know he get too long um

 

1:03:36.000,1:03:40.559

I'd like to have you on for this oh yeah

 

1:03:38.480,1:03:42.440

I know it I'd love to do this pick up

 

1:03:40.559,1:03:44.599

right where we left off to a part two

 

1:03:42.440,1:03:46.559

with you Joy then we can start talking

 

1:03:44.599,1:03:48.240

about some of your calling style and

 

1:03:46.559,1:03:49.920

that type of stuff because you've man

 

1:03:48.240,1:03:52.200

you've you've shared a wealth of

 

1:03:49.920,1:03:54.119

knowledge on here uh with this episode

 

1:03:52.200,1:03:55.839

and I really appreciate you coming on

 

1:03:54.119,1:03:57.359

I'd love to continue it for a part two

 

1:03:55.839,1:04:00.119

if we can get you to come back

 

1:03:57.359,1:04:02.400

on yeah sure just just say when I'd be

 

1:04:00.119,1:04:04.200

happy to do it we're going to do that

 

1:04:02.400,1:04:07.920

I've got several more questions here for

 

1:04:04.200,1:04:10.920

Joy I've got stuff about you know ecall

 

1:04:07.920,1:04:12.680

placement for night hunting and you know

 

1:04:10.920,1:04:15.160

all kinds of different stuff far as

 

1:04:12.680,1:04:17.359

calling strategies and calling Styles

 

1:04:15.160,1:04:19.480

and all this we GNA try to pry out of

 

1:04:17.359,1:04:21.279

his out of his mind if he'll share it

 

1:04:19.480,1:04:24.000

with us and I think it'll be good for a

 

1:04:21.279,1:04:26.960

for a part two for a part

 

1:04:24.000,1:04:29.319

two oh man it's been a great podcast Jo

 

1:04:26.960,1:04:32.640

I appreciate you coming on man I really

 

1:04:29.319,1:04:34.960

appreciate this so you're uh you start

 

1:04:32.640,1:04:36.599

guiding you start guiding here just this

 

1:04:34.960,1:04:38.880

is like at the end of September guys

 

1:04:36.599,1:04:40.760

when we're uh recording this and because

 

1:04:38.880,1:04:42.319

Joy's got stuff coming up I've got a

 

1:04:40.760,1:04:44.839

couple trips coming up so you start

 

1:04:42.319,1:04:47.319

guiding here uh you said in October

 

1:04:44.839,1:04:49.839

right first couple weeks of October in

 

1:04:47.319,1:04:52.000

Kansas yeah so I've I've been doing the

 

1:04:49.839,1:04:54.279

daytime shotgun stuff in Illinois all

 

1:04:52.000,1:04:56.359

summer long and now I've got um I'll

 

1:04:54.279,1:04:58.440

leave for Kansas on Friday and I'll be

 

1:04:56.359,1:05:00.680

there till the 15th guiding out there

 

1:04:58.440,1:05:02.599

and then when I come back I've got a

 

1:05:00.680,1:05:04.160

couple more day hunts in Illinois and

 

1:05:02.599,1:05:07.119

then I'll start our night season

 

1:05:04.160,1:05:09.839

November 10th and it's it that that gets

 

1:05:07.119,1:05:11.400

to be a really busy time of year right

 

1:05:09.839,1:05:13.839

right well tell everybody where they can

 

1:05:11.400,1:05:15.279

find yet on your Social Media stuff

 

1:05:13.839,1:05:16.640

YouTube how they can get in touch with

 

1:05:15.279,1:05:18.160

you if they want to book hunt let them

 

1:05:16.640,1:05:21.279

know about that before we get out of

 

1:05:18.160,1:05:24.279

here sure um easiest way to get a hold

 

1:05:21.279,1:05:26.279

of me is Joseph worth on Facebook um I

 

1:05:24.279,1:05:29.160

probably use that social media more than

 

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anything uh YouTube is close encounter

 

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Predator hunts um I have an Instagram

 

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and I have a business page for but I I

 

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have a tendency of forgetting that they

 

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exist so Facebook and YouTube are

 

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probably the easiest ways to either see

 

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the content or get a hold of me hey guys

 

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if you're interested in getting a hunt

 

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book somewhere for a Quality quality

 

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hunt with a quality Hunter iert Joy get

 

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hooked up with that if you want to watch

 

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some Coy hunting go check out Joy's

 

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YouTube page I'm a fan of it I subscribe

 

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to it I watch it I don't watch a ton of

 

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everybody else's Coy hunting uh but but

 

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Jo's Joy's YouTube channel is one of

 

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them I do watch so a lot of awesome

 

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action and hey go watch our YouTube as

 

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well Fox Pro in on YouTube tons and tons

 

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and tons and tons of videos we load one

 

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at least one up every single week Joy

 

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again we appreciate you coming on here

 

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we hope everyone enjoyed this episode we

 

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hope you join us again right here on the

 

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fox Pro podcast