On this episode Jon Collins and Torry Cook discuss triggers and what triggers a coyote to come to your FOXPRO.
Welcome to the FoxPro podcast brought to you by Fox Pro [music] game calls. Welcome back to the FoxPro podcast. On this episode, we're discussing triggers and what triggers a coyote to come to your Fox Pro. Once again, I have Mr. Tory Cook joining us. What's going on, Tori? Oh, another day. How about you? Yeah, another beautiful day here. It is absolutely a little windy. Little windy, but it is gorgeous. Actually got record highs today in Kentucky. But other than that, turkeys gobbling, you know, it's always good. I was just supposed to mention the turkey deal. It's It's that time of the year. So, I know you're after them, too. Yeah. It'll be kind of telling off time this comes off comes out, but uh yeah, we we full boore right now. That's for sure. Yeah. [snorts] Yeah. I think anybody that likes to call coyotes or turkeys, if you ever start with one and get an opportunity to try the other, it's hard not to like both of them. They have some they have some similarities. As far as that goes, calling any animal, if you like to call animals, you usually like any of those, you know, any of those animals that can be called. Yeah. I mean, I started deer hunting pretty early, but I never did call to deer, you know, like grunt calls and stuff. What you ain't doing a whole lot of calling when you when you do it for deer anyway. But when I first started turkey hunting, I started turkey hunting before I started coyote hunting. Yeah. And uh it was it turkey hunting is what made me what how I found out that I have a you know that passion for hunting animals that you can call to you. Yeah. So that's that's what started it all for me. It really was. Me too on the turkey side of it. And I tell you something that that really helped me is when I first started co calling, especially in this thick stuff. Of course, everybody's listened to us very much heard me talk about moving on coyotes a lot. And a part of that because it was so thick, but I was scared to do it when I first started hunting coyotes, but I knew that that worked really. You know, I killed a lot of turkeys. You got to move a lot on turkeys a lot of times. And so I started the setup. Yeah. Yeah. I started taking stuff that I had picked up from turkey hunting and applying it to my co calling. And man, that's that's when I really started figuring out, you know, and you combine things from one versus the other and it'll make you better. And I've taken things that I've done coyote hunting and applied it to turkey hunting, you know, even though I started turkey hunting first. So, right. There's there's some crossover stuff with that, you know, calling different animals and tricks you learn. Well, just just like that, you know, moving moving on a turkey or moving on a coyote. Sometimes that's all it takes to trigger [laughter] I knew that that turkey or coyote to come in, right? I knew where you were going with that. Yeah, moving is one of the I would say moving is one of the top triggers out there and something that is is pretty easy to overlook but extremely important. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's definitely uh definitely our topic of this episode. You know, we get people ask us questions questions all the time and I figured this one would be a good one to go over. You know, when when calling for coyotes, you know, what we're doing is we use sounds and techniques like moving that trigger trigger a response from a coyote. You know, we we play on their territorial instincts, which we'll be talking about. We're going to talk about all these uh their protective paternal instincts, their need for food, their breeding season triggers. We always do breeding season uh podcast there in the winter. And another trigger that you can play on is curiosity. U so I think I think we got a pretty good podcast lined up here for that. Yeah. And all of those things are are important. I mean, they definitely add coats to your to your pile if you'll uh you'll make sure to, you know, swap and try some of those different uh triggers on most of your stands. Yeah, I was I was thinking because we always used that term trigger. We've used that term for a long time. So, I was sitting there before we got on here about five minutes before I I actually hopped on my phone and and Googled. I was like, what is that? You know, I wanted to see what the actual definition of trigger and triggered was. So, pretty good stuff. I'm gonna read it off to you here. Trigger cause an event or situation to happen. Triggered of a response caused by particular action, process, or situation. So, calling if you're calling, guess what? You're causing something to happen. you know, you're you're causing a particular action. So, let's get right to it. Uh, the first one I want to talk talk about is uh protective and paternal triggers. Well, let you take it from her because you know more about this than anybody out there. Well, it's prime time for that right now. I mean, we're going to be right in that den going into pup rearing time frame. And there is no better time to use those type triggers because that's what coyotes are participating in right now. They're extremely aggressive to those type triggers. And you know, it's it makes sense when you've got coyotes that are taking care of pups, defending that area around that den area and that puperin area. Those sounds that are associated with those pup coyotes, distress sounds, newborn sounds where they're hungry, all of those type sounds are going to be extremely effective at triggering coyotes because it correlates right with what they're doing in their life cycle and their behaviors for that time of year. Right. Right. And I think one thing it's probably worth saying here before we get into all these especially, you know, just kind of remind me how you worded that. Um, we're going to talk about a few sounds. You just talked about the puppy sounds and stuff like that, but uh, you know, any sound can trigger a response at any time of the year. Um, but you know, coyote behavior changes throughout the year. Um, so during de different time frames, particular sound types can definitely overpower others. Um, that's why we talk about specific sequences so much and when to use them. I know I see every once in a while you you'll see somebody kind of um, you know, you could tell they're y'all always want to talk about sequence. You'll see it on Facebook. Talk about sequence. Just just start playing sounds. Just start playing sounds. Well, you know, I kind of always looked at if you play more than one sound on a stand, you've played a sequence. You just don't realize it. You might as well make it make sense, right? It should don't always have to be random. Right. Right. you know, and there's as far as that stuff goes, the coach may not understand the sequence or the story or your reasoning behind it, but we also don't know for sure what the cows are thinking sometimes. So, there's nothing wrong with using reasoning and the way that it would typically play out in the order that it would play out. For one, it makes sense to us. It's how it would usually happen in the wild, which makes sense. And it also makes it easier to or it does for me. It makes me easier to keep track. We're talking about triggers that keeps 100% keep track of what sounds you play and from what trigger category you played from. So, if you're trying to hit multiple triggers and you put them in a in a sequence that makes sense, that's how it would play out, then you can go through those different triggers from different categories and you make sure you hit all of them and it's easy to remember. you're not thinking, you know, hey, stand 10 minutes and you just randomly hit buttons to pick sounds. It makes it a little more, you know, it's just it's jumbled and more confusing. Or it is for me anyway. I mean, and backing up to what you said right off the bat, there's nothing wrong with randomly picking sounds and coaches will trigger you. that I don't think they have the reason and ability to know that, you know, this shouldn't have followed that. Yeah. Yeah. But why not do it in the That's the way I've always and I've h with people that are very very successful and if you like doing it that way and and you can keep up with things and it works for you, by all means, keep pouring it to it. But, you know, I've hunted with people and they're just like, you know, just randomly going through all this stuff and I'm sitting there like, man, I'm so confused. I don't know what the world's going on. I look up and here comes two coyotes running in. So, I know it works. I know it works. But I but how my brain works and how I go throughout making it just don't work for me. I've got to have something that makes sense in my mind and it just helps me it just helps me keep stay on track. And um, you know, that's the thing. We talk about sequences and stuff like that. Um, by all means, if we say say sequences and stuff, put sounds together that you guys want to try, by all means, pour it to it because if we're going to give you a sequence, we know it works because we've used it. We just don't throw a bunch of sounds together and just say we're going to throw it out there and thinking it might work. We've actually used this stuff in the field. We've used every sound and and put them together, string them together the same way we're going to tell you. You can use our sequences or you can come up with your own. you know, you can do something different. If you've got certain sounds that's always worked good for you and it's not something that we name, just just keep pouring it to them. But, you know, I just want to throw it out there. [laughter] Well, something that makes it easy for me is I'm not always playing. You know, rarely do I play the same sounds. I do have some favorites that I play more often than others, but rarely do I play the same lone howl and the same pair how and the, you know, the same sounds from one stand to the next. But what I will do, talking about kind of keeping things to where they're organized and in a sequence to where I make sure I get even though I'm not playing the same sound every time, I'm playing sound from certain trigger categories every time. And so in my mind certain times of the year like for example that pup rearing time frame, family bust up to any whatever time frame it is, but I'll just use that as an example. So when I go in there in that pup rear and family bust up time frame, I already know that I want to probably start my stand with coyote vocals. That's a trigger category. Then I'm going to go I'm going to follow that. And so I may play a lone hal on this stand, a pair, a group how on this stand, and next stand I still start with that same category. I may pick a different sound, but in my mind that keeps me track. So I'm gonna play vocal trigger. I'm gonna follow that with a social trigger. Next, usually I'm gonna follow that with my pup stuff and different age class pups. Different sounds for on different stands. Then I'm pup fight. And then I'm gonna go into adult fights. And that's and I may mix some prey in there somewhere. But that that covers six trigger categories right there. Actually more than that because some of them serve dual purpose. But that keeps me on track. You know, if I keep with that sequence before long, it's pretty easy for you to jump out there on stand, pick your remote up. You know, you're going right to your house first. You're going right to your social sounds next. You're going right to your little pups. Just keeps things organized. It keeps them in a sequence that makes sense. And it also makes it easier you easier to remember what sounds you played after that stand. Say you're gonna share it with a buddy, you're going to put it on Facebook, whatever. Or if you're just going to keep that for your own record, you can remember those sounds that you used easier when they're organized. And if you are going to change sounds, let's say you didn't call anything up on that stand. So the next thing you go and you run through that same sequence, it's easier to remember what sounds you played and didn't play, right? Just keeps things a little cleaner, more organized. Uh makes it easier for me anyway. Yeah, me too. Totally totally agree with everything you just said. I mean, it's just that's just how I go about it. I like kind of telling a story, I guess you could say, with my with my sound sequence. Yes. Um, you know, especially, you know, if you're just pleasure hunting and you know, you're not on, you know, that's just how I go about it. I'm not no contest hunter, but I know a lot of I'm very, very good friends with a lot of contest hunters and you know, a lot of times they ain't playing but two or three sounds. So, they ain't really, you know, they don't have to keep stringing a bunch of stuff together. But, man, I probably shouldn't said that. Somebody gonna get mad. You know, they might play four at the most, but a lot of times it's just like three sounds, maybe sometimes just two, right? Four at the most. But like you said on the protective paternal stuff uh being a trigger especially during the uh denning and pupering time frame that's what's going on in their life. So they're right there listening to babies crying all the time they're listen to them tustling around and getting in fights all that type of stuff. So, anytime they hear that from a strange location or where they don't think their their pup should be or whatever's going on, it's a pretty good chance it's going to be a great trigger from, you know, late March through the rest of spring and summer months. Yeah. And something that was, you know, I get to record and watch these goats during those different life cycle stages like pump ring. And one thing I I recorded a bunch of stuff this past, you know, past year uh with little bee and those pups and it was amazing to me to watch u I've shared some of these videos and we'll share some other ones, but it was amazing to watch how worried that female pup will I mean that female adult, the mama. Yeah, it was amazing to watch how worried and agitated she would get. Like one instance in particular, there was one pup that she did not want coming out of the hole. They had just got to where they could get around and were starting to come out of the den. And I was recording this sequence of events and there was one pup that kept running out of the den, running out of the hole. And the rest of them were staying put like they were supposed to and that pup had her so agitated and worked up and worried and she's doing the the greeting whine type sound that I talk about so much or the mom and dad. She's just [laughter] I mean worried to death over that pup. And of course it's whimpering and whining and you could just see how that triggered just like what what we're talking about. You could see how effective that was and and what a there was nothing else. You could have done anything else and I don't believe it would have changed her focus away from that pup and and getting that she was picking it up putting it back in the den and it would come back out and it had her all worked up. Well, if you think about that from a hunting scenario and you're out there and you play those type sounds that are causing a reaction like that and you happen to be close to a da coat and you go out there and you throw some of those little puppy sounds out there like that, you can get those parental triggers that like you said will work any time of the year, but they have a heightened effect during that den time frame. Yeah. You know what we've talked about before? I've mentioned that you can, [sighs] you know, I back years ago when I first started filming coyotes, I really, you know, I always kind of paid attention to their body language for different stuff, you know, trying to kill multiples and all that. Uh, or, you know, what you what really what really changed is when I started filming and had to film stuff, you know, I would read body language uh just so I can know how much I could get away with, you know, trying to gather footage. By doing that, I learned that you could really tell, and I've brought this up before, you can really tell during that denning and pupering time frame if you call coyotes that are part of a denning family, right? By almost by the look on their face, just almost like their expression and how they're approaching the call and and just, you know, just their whole how they're postured and everything. I mean, you can really, if you pay attention to it, guys, you can you can literally tell, which it probably don't m it might not matter to some, but I think it's interesting. You can actually tell if they're part of a denning family or if they're just a just a a single lone coyote out there just coming by because of whatever reason, just because they're curious or maybe for for old big old male coyote that's looking for a easy meal to eat a little puppy or what what's going on? But you can definitely tell the differences ones who's part of a denning family and who's not by just by their body language. Yeah. And you bringing that up that makes me think of something that that we've talked about before and talking about triggers and different triggers. I think when you're playing those pup sounds during that den and pupering time frame, a lot of your triggers are those parental type triggers. And that's why you see that height and those coyotes are coming in because of that specific trigger. But you also mentioned the big male coming in there or just any cow coming in there when you're playing and you said these pup distresses all these sounds can work at any time of the year. I think a lot of times your pup distresses work at other times of the year. Not necessarily and probably not because of parental triggers. is more territorial and even a prey trigger to where they're coming to they hear a strange code in the area. They're not ding their puper anymore, but they will still trigger. And like you said, it may not matter to some people why they triggered on it. But it is interesting. It gives you a little more insight as to well maybe I should try this sound on right a particular stand when you know maybe the rabbit hadn't worked or maybe you hadn't called something in on the house. You can throw a a pup sound out there as another prey sound, territorial sound, or a parental sound. You know, all of those are, you know, you can cover different triggers. Like I said earlier, some of them have some sounds have dualpurpose triggers. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just and just like the curiosity aspect, they are a curious animal. I mean, how many people's been in a situation where you play through a sound, play through a couple sounds, and you see a coyote that just steps out somewhere uh just to take a look, then turn around, you know, stays out there for two or three seconds or five, however long, and then turns around, walks back in. Well, he was just curious, you know, he might not have been hungry. He might not have, you know, he not a super aggressive territorial coyote, but uh, you know, you just brought up, you mentioned territorial there a minute ago. Of course, I just said it. Let's talk about territorial triggers. Um, you know, one thing coyotes are kind of well, they're not kind of, they are. Some coyotes are territorial year round. So, this is like you mentioned starting stands off with with coyote house a lot. That's something I do year round. It don't matter when it is. I'm liable to start that standoff with a big old big old lone how maybe followed up with a with a pair how group or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. the I mean and that's the territorial stuff is extremely effective too. It has peaks too like during your it does your your pair and breeding season during your denering time frame. Those times in particular u are probably more effective territorial triggers than say like family bust up or your fall where your cy kind of space out there. You know you got more transients on the landscape and stuff like that. But and I again I think any co vocal in particular when you're playing those those could be territorial triggers because I don't buy into the to the deal. You'll read about this magazine some you'll hear people throw it out there that you know you're you're going out there and you're playing your house or you're playing whatever uh co vocal you're playing and you're saying you know hello friends here I am. Do y'all want to come over and play? That it don't work like that. Coyotes don't think like that. You know, coyotes are thinking more like when you when you So, I'll just use that scenario. When you throw out your your hello, how and I have one named that. You do. When you go out there and you holler hello, you know, with your big how them cy say, who the hell is that in our, you know, over here in our home range? We listen to go well. You know that's how that that is what happens. You know it's a strange co is who is that? You got you got one. It's a what's your name? What's your name? [laughter] You know where that come from? It's oh Tony. Exactly. What's your name? [laughter] That's exactly where that sound title come from because your name Dave Suck sent me that deal when it first come out. [laughter] And uh it tickled me. So uh for whatever reason I thought about it when I was naming that uh fireball. Yeah. What? It's Tony. [laughter] Hey, tell the rest of it. I can't remember. I have to go back and watch it. Tell tell about By the Fire. [laughter]
I'm just kidding. This This is a PG podcast. Yeah. We better give it a little Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We try to keep it G to PG. We [laughter] going to go. We're crossing the line there. I got the I got the yo mama sound, too. So, it's [laughter]
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Hey, but you was saying, you know, not all not just house are territorial either, like your coyote fights and stuff like that, that can cause a territorial response as well. Oh, yeah. I mean, all that stuff specifically. And one thing that we probably should have mentioned while ago, I thought about it when you were when you were talking, you know, about the pup stuff. I think one of the very best times, and it can be with the parental stuff, it can be with the territorial stuff, breeding, all of these sounds, prey sounds, one of them in particular that we've talked about before. But I think one of the best times to [clears throat] take advantage of some of these trigger sounds and the [clears throat] time of the year that they trigger is to start using those sounds just a few weeks prior to the peak of that time frame in the coast. Like so for instance, when den season is coming in, go ahead and start using those little puppy sounds two or three weeks before the bulk of those pups hit the ground. And they seem to trigger better then than they do when the pups are in the ground. And I think the reason for that is going back to what what I was talking about about that female cow being so distracted and agitated by those pups. two or three weeks prior to those pups getting the ground, they're they're not in the ground to distract her, but she's already instinctually tied to that. She's expecting it. She's already, you know, stressing and and agitated a little bit. When you go in there and you put those those type sounds out just prior to the peak of that time frame in their life, they can't resist it. I mean, you will pull them you'll pull them right in and it actually works better. It works all the way through, but it has a it seems to work a little bit better because you don't have to worry about the distraction of the pups yet. She does she hadn't had the pups. You can take advantage of those parental triggers and instincts that she's, you know, she's dealing with and call her in, especially if you're trying to uh, you know, manage coats and take a whole family group off your property at a certain time of year. Perfect for that. Same thing with your territorial stuff. Think of it like talking about turkeys and deer. If you do stuff pre-rut and you do stuff pre like a turkey for example, as soon as those gobbler groups start busting up and they're getting ready to go into breeding and they start gobbling, you can rub two sticks together and a turkey will run over and stop it. when they get heinned up. If you let them go all the way into the to the peak breed and they get heeded up, you can be a world champion caller and you may not break that turkey loose because he's distracted occupied. Great example. [clears throat] All of these sounds we're talking about, when we start talking about time of the year to use them, start using them just a little bit prior to when you think they're going to be at their peak, and you will you will really have some some good callins with them. Fond distress is another one that uh has that effect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the s the salmon run we've talked about before. The salmon run. Think think about all of your all of your springtime baby animals. Even if you you know if you're uh if you still like to run a lot of prey distress, think about baby cotton tail. Yeah, boy. I mean, if you use I I say I believe, but I feel like I know for sure that these animals, coyotes in particular, they instinctually know when these these time frames are coming and they start looking for that stuff immediately. So before you've got baby rabbits, baby birds, fawn, all that stuff, before you've got a pile of them on the ground, you can take advantage of those cows being ready for that and those sounds seem to work just a little bit better. You know, do you do you think that's true? Do you think you have a call up rate with sounds just prior to when they would be? I think it's I think it's 100% true. I think it's very true. And I think, you know, your comparison to to turkeys and I think you can take it even further with turkeys and with some of these triggers, just like you was talking about when a when a gobbler gets all hinned up and he's out there with 14 hens and you're out there 300 yards away from him trying to call him and guess what? He ain't coming. Right. Just like you was talking about, you know, that mama coyote laid right there with her pups and you know all that. It's the same difference. But you see these guys that that like to reap turkeys, like take a full strutter out there, you know, they'll take that full strutter and start easing up air. Well, guess what? Now it turns into you can get that you can get that big old tom once you get close enough to him. He'll trigger a territorial response and he'll leave those hands to come whoop you. Right. It's no difference as you getting in that denning area tight and then you ripping off a great big old lone hal. Yep. And guess what? You get a you get a response in, don't you? Even though they're laid there tight to those pups, they might come out to run you out of there because it's a territorial deal. Yeah. Yep. It that's exactly how it works. And uh and it's extremely effective. And knowing those extra things helps you kill more coyotes. Well, you're talking about, you know, they they you think, you know, and I I'm with you. I 100% believe it too that coyotes, you know, instinctually know when you've got u an event like fawns hitting the ground or whatever coming about. Let's talk about their need for food uh and how that is a trigger. You know, coyotes always got got to eat. It don't matter what time of year it is. You know, they have to eat to survive. U you know, it's one of those things. Should we always be playing prey distress? anytime we go out, no matter what time of year it is, you know, the availability of food has a lot to do with it. Yeah. And I know you and I both slack off on prey sounds some. And it's not because the prey sounds are not still extremely effective. It's because you have or at least my thinking and I know you align with this. you have some of those other triggers to that you can take advantage of like those parental and territorial triggers and they're so strong during that denin, you know, spring summer denering time frame. You can lean heavy on those parental and territorial triggers and save your prey distress sounds for, you know, times of the year when they are at the top of the list. And so prey sounds work year round. I mean, everybody knows that prey sounds work year round and can be just as effective in the spring and summer as they are in fall or winter, but a lot of times you have more food available. You've got you've got insects and grasshoppers and berries. I mean, everything in your landscape is at its peak during spring and summer. You know, that's that's your growing season for everything. So, you have the most food available. you can still go out there and play your prey distress triggers and trigger coyotes on that food type trigger and there's nothing wrong with that. And I I sp I was talking to a guy last night. He was talking about, you know, different sounds to use to trigger any, you know, to trigger codes. And he was saying, well, should I quit playing prey distress? And I said, you know, I told him, I said, well, what I would do, he was talking about going to a new property and he was going to be hunting a completely different area. And I said, 'Well, what I would do, I said, ' I'd go out there and I'd play a sequence with all of the triggers. You know, I'd have my house, I'd have my social sounds, I'd have my pup distresses, and I'd also mix in some prey and see what those goats are triggering on. So, if you're going out there and you're leaning, you're doing like like you and I do a lot, you're leaning heavy on your your vocals and your pup sounds and your social sounds and you're you're blanking. you're starting to have some blank stance, that's when you know, and usually I do it with stuff like fond distress and [ __ ] distress, and I'm still trying to save those rabbits and birds, but if I need to play those to kill coats, you can still play them, you know, because it's a trigger. I think I think too it depends, you know, we've talked about that quite a bit, saving sounds for certain times of year, and uh I think it has a lot to do with uh it has, you know, has a lot to do with with several things. You know, it depends on your coyote population, the density, um how many other hunters are in your area, how much ground you have, how much pressure that ground's getting, and all that type of stuff. You know, if you're because there's these guys out there. There's guys that can go out there and they can hunt year round any given night or day and pile up and play and kill in the teens. Kill, you know, we we all know these guys that kill a dozen coyotes anytime they go out and if they want to get serious with it, they'll go out there and kill 20. Yeah. Well, they can go out there and play KY cottontail or what just year round and play it, you know? Uh but like me, it works. But it's it there is something to anybody that's hunted very many places, especially if they've hunted a lot of different areas at different times of the year. You will see where this trigger deer deal we're talking about is extremely important because there are areas that you're not going to get by with just playing the rabbit. That's just a 100% fact. some places you as 100% there is some places and I ain't down to nothing. I ain't down to nobody or no area or nothing like that. But there are places out there that you have got to be a little bit better coyote collar. You just can't go out there and hit any sound at any volume and let it just run and and never play another sound or nothing like that and just play it year round. But you come hunt and I ain't trying to say my spot's harder than anybody else's cuz I can I can get in the coyotes and call them up real good and all that type of stuff right here and even when it receives pressure. But if you're going to come hunt my area and you're going to hunt it year round, you [laughter] better be playing, you know, sounds that match the season if you want to be successful consistently. That's the same as as what I have. And I, you know, I'm one of those guys that I try to, if I'm going to hunt a different area and I'm going out there to hunt with somebody, this has happened numerous times to where what I would be doing at home right at that same time frame. What I'm would do at home and on my own calling ground may be different than what they say we're going to do. Like if they came down here during summertime, I'm going to say, "Hey, let's ride around, locate some coats, put them together, move in close to them, and we're going to run house and social sounds and pup stuff, and we're just going to kill a bunch. We're going to call up coats on almost every stand, if not every stand during that time of the year. Yeah, I may go hunt with them, and I I do this every year just about it. I may go hunt with them, and they'll say, "Well, Rain, we need to locate. We don't need to locate. we can just go out there and sit down and play a prey distress or rabbit or bird or whatever and we'll kill coyotes on most every stand. And I say I don't argue with them. I say they know that area. I respect them. I know that they've got enough experience hunting and killing coyotes that I'm I'm confident in what they tell me for that particular spot, that area. And so we go out there and kill a bunch of coats running distress sounds. And if they come here, you know, I I expect that same tip of the hat, you know, that, right? They they know that. And it all goes back to whatever area you're in, you've just got to try some stuff. If you go out, let's say you've you've heard or read something somewhere that said you should or shouldn't do this, you've got to test that in your spot. You've got to go, I'll just use rabbit for example. If you've heard that all you got to do is play rabbit, then you can go out there and test that. But if you've made five or six stands and you know there are coaches in the area and you hadn't called them up on rabbit, you need to fall back on some of this stuff that we're talking about about triggers and try some of these other triggers. And I guarantee you if you're calling in places that have coats, you will figure out what works in your area at different times of the year. And you may have to change that up. You may find that, hey, from October through January, I can smash coats running rabbit distress, but come pairing and breeding, I got to start adding some vocals in here. And I may still kill some on rabbit, but I got to I got to put some more triggers in here. Then when you get into denning, you may have to alter that a little bit more to take advantage of those triggers that are higher on the list like we're talking about to keep you not only in coast but keep coing. So what's your opinion the 100% best time frame year round for getting coyotes to trigger on prey distress right behind family bust up because that dearing and right behind family bust up because that's when and man I've learned so much about cos and there are little subtle things that anybody that's hunted that time of the year are aware of those pups [ __ ] head those baby teeth and start growing those. You you usually see them when you kill a lot of times you'll kill a coat that's full size, but you look in his mouth, he's got pretty white teeth and these heavy his canines look heavy and a little bit short. Yeah. That coin size, that's family bust up. When those teeth start shedding, they put those big, you know, those permanent teeth in. Why you think they're killing stuff? Yeah, they like killing stuff. Why? Why did they grow those teeth? You know why did they grow those teeth? It's because they become independent hunters and killers then. The adults are no longer bringing prey back for them. So that's when and they're they're also not experienced hunters and killers yet. You know, they're just starting to fend for themselves. So what are they looking for? The easiest thing out there to catch. And when they hear that fox pro over there singing a tune, that's an easy catch. So that's to me that's when your prey distress sounds during that fall family bust up time frame. That's when they really shine. Even though they work all year round, that's the peak for their trigger time. Hey, how often do you get like that family bust up time frame and right on the, you know, right there during that in the peak of it. Um, you play a prey distress sound and you kill a couple young of the year coyotes. I mean, they come to the prey hard. I mean, you know, shoot them on their way to the call. Just got, you know, just bust them. Yeah. And but you don't ever see nothing else besides the young of your coyote. And then right on the back side of that, you say, "Well, I'm going to go into some of this vocal stuff." You start playing pup fights and adult fights and stuff like that. Then guess what comes out? Yeah. The the adults. How often do you I mean, how many times everybody listening seen that? You see them young of the year come rushing into that prey distress, but you old coyotes don't. But then you go to that that fight stuff and here they come. It happens over and over and over again. And that's why family bust up is my favorite time of the year to call because you have those those stands where you can sit there and call in one or two coyotes and kill them. Keep sitting there and kill another one. You know, you have a lot of stands that produce multiple coyotes and they don't all come in at the same time because they are busted up. And you also exactly what you were referring to. you have multiple triggers that work right there and you can take advantage. There are several triggers that are at their peaks. You've got the territorial stuff still associated with that family group that works so well on those adult coats like you just mentioned. You've got the prey stuff that is starting to work really good and it's triggering at that time for, you know, those those coats, those young coats are starting to fend for theirelves. they're triggering to that hunger category on those prey sounds where if you back up just a little bit, they don't know what those prey sounds really are. So, when you trigger pup coyotes on that, you're triggering for a different reason, which is curiosity. You mentioned that earlier. But during that that family bust up time frame, you can use those territorial triggers. You can use those prey hunger triggers and you can use their social, you know, social triggers that are still effective because that family, they're still coming together and busting up. Coming together as family bust up takes place, you know, it's a slow process. So those cows are still coming together, then they're busting up. You get separation. So you have multiple triggers. Just that those social triggers with your social sounds are extremely effective from den that would be their peak den through family bust up that's when they are at their best and man you can if you know about that stuff and of course that's why we do these podcast if you know about all those different triggers and you know your time of year when family bust up occurs you can sit there on standing and kill five six seven coyotes sometimes. times, you know, on one stand just just by taking advantage of that. Let's move right along. What? Let's move right along to breeding triggers. Yep. We've tal we always that's usually one of our hot topics every year is our annual breeding season podcast and it's it's all about that. So everybody can go back and you can get uh get your ear full of breeding season triggers, but we're going to talk about just real briefly right here. You know, it's just like talking about right after family bust up, then you got pup dispersal and all that. Then pairing starts to take place. Uh then it then you open up a whole another set of triggers. Now, like I said earlier, any sound can trigger a response at any time cuz there's been many a time in the summer or early fall months I've played a sound like MFK Bump and Grind and kill a double off of it or something. But let's talk about the breeding triggers. Yeah, that and again with breeding pairing triggers, the more I learn about cos, the more I watch them and think of deer on pre- rut stuff, prut versus them being full-blown rut. You can take advantage of some of these pair and breeding triggers by starting them just a little bit early. So when you start getting into that say Christmas time frame, you want to start playing some of those some of those pairouses, some of those, you know, social breeding sounds like cornered hottie and some of those female specific uh breeding sounds that they make and you can trigger coats even though it's just a little bit before what would be their their peak rut or their their peak breeding. And those are the type sounds that you want to you want to start a st uh stand with and then going into those breeding specific fights. There are certain sounds that coaches make when they're tied up that are different from other fights and they'll and sometimes they're not really even necessarily a fight, but they're bickering at each other and making some chirping sounds. And I think cos recognize I know that they recognize certain sounds associated with a breeding fight versus a food fight versus a pecking fight. And so you can take advantage of that during that that breeding time frame and trigger some of these. Not only will you trigger breeding pairs that you're in you're possibly in their home range, you'll trigger them for, you know, those territorial reasons, strange goats in their area. But you can also trigger transient coats that are looking for opportunities to breed. So, you know, you may have, especially in that pairing part, you you can get multiple coats that will potentially show up because they're looking for an opportunity to pair and an opportunity to breed. So, you just like you said, they'll work any time of the year, but that's when they're at their peak. And so, it's a good idea to have that stuff included in your sequence. And of course, we're still going to run those other triggers, you know, mixed into a sequence as well, but you definitely want to have those, you know, those breeding sounds during that time frame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually here on my computer and I looked up I had on there where I had wrote down or typed down the definition of triggered and trigger. I went ahead put in for sequence too. You just meant I going to tell you guys not that everybody don't know what definition all this stuff is. You might not know what it is to the letter but it says for sequence a particular order in which related events, movements or things follow each other. And then a second definition is arrange in a particular order. And and order is the key word with that because it just keeps thing in order in my mind, you know. Yeah. Yeah, there can be random order. [laughter] I guess I don't even know if those two words go together. Random and order, but you know, whatever. It definitely, you know, that definitely works. And I guess it's all just depends on what people, but it's not the preferred method for me. I mean, I've I've had coyotes, one in particular pops into my mind where we had went in and killed several coats out of this family group and it had already moved in to late family bust up. I mean, these coaches were were they had a little age. They're acting as as adult coats at that at that point, which I consider that's another another topic. And I ain't going to get on it too far, but when those when those pup coats grow those teeth, that's when I consider them swapping over into adults because they start functioning as as adults then. But anyway, we had killed several coats out of this group. This is on one of the one of the old YouTube videos. We caught there was one coat left out of that bunch that we knew of. We go in there and sat down howl and end up howling that thing into sight, but once he got in sight, we shotgun hunting. Anyway, couldn't get this coat. He ends up sitting down and eventually laying down out of range, but I could see him. Well, I've already played through my sequence, you know, the sequence that I like to play through in in order that makes sense. Didn't trigger. So he and I end up just I'm just scrolling through the remote playing different sounds. I'm throwing all kinds of random stuff at him. He still doesn't trigger. We eventually kill that co on lip squeaks. But uh it didn't make the co run off or anything like that. trigger. But man, it just it's just so much easier to play it in a in a sequence that makes order and in a what would be a natural occurren I mean I think like if you if you look at fights, it just makes sense to start off with your less aggressive stuff and move towards more aggressive stuff, right? Well, one thing with the fight stuff, I have people I get asked this quite often. They're like, "Well, how often do you start with a fight?" Like, "Well, hardly never." I mean, I ain't going to say I have not ever done it. Um, and they're like, "Well, why don't you? Pound's so effective. Why don't you just just play pound town? Just play that." And uh one thing that is kind of like talking about earlier on, especially when I started filming and have to read body language on coyotes and stuff like that. One thing that I found out early on is if you can call coyotes to your more subtle type sounds, u you could call coyotes in, get one or two killed. You can have one or two other coyotes start running off or do run off. And then you can start building in intensity after that and get those coyotes to trigger and come back in. So, for example, if I can get a coyote to come into a submissive sound or just to a a lone lazy howl and a coyote comes out, two or three coyotes come out. Well, I can bust that first coyote and then while the other ones are taking off, I can if I can get them to stop to say sound like submissive beggar or something like that. Just a submissive sound. Yeah. Boom. I've killed a second one. Then the third coyote takes off running and it at the coyote could run plum out of sight. I can then flip to a coyote pup fight. Well, here comes that coyote back running in. I shoot it and kill it. And I look up. I've got three coyotes laying on the ground. And guess what? I still got left. I still got table scraps left. I still got pound town left. I still got fight challenge left. I got BM. I got all this aggressive stuff I can go into. And guess what? There's a possibility that I can call another coyote up and have a quad, a quint or whatever laying on the ground at the end of it. But that r rarely happens. I ain't saying it don't happen. But if you start off with as aggressive as you can, it's hard to go more aggressive and keep coyotes coming in. And when you start scaling it back, they ain't interested. Well, that makes me think, yeah, th this will drive drive that home. And you laying that out like you just did made me think of it. And this applies specifically for, you know, your your pup and family bust up time frame when those family groups are still together. And that's because, and I've learned this from watching coyotes. And this is why order does, you know, we said maybe it doesn't make a difference, but during this time frame, for the reasons you just mentioned, it does. And here's why. And this will make sense to anybody listening. When you have a family group of coats, there is when they hit three weeks old, they start establishing a pecking order within that family group. And you may have multiple adults. You know, we've talked about helper coats. There's a pecking order from top to bottom adults all the way down to the bottom ranking pup. And so if you've got a family group, let's say you've got six pups and two or three adults that make up that family group and there's a pecking order that's in place, the more, let me reword that, the less aggressive, the lower ranking pups will trigger to certain sounds and other sounds they will not trigger on. And it's because of the pecking order deal. So, if you go in there and you start with something like, you know, a a social sound that's not, you know, that that's a meet and greet type sound, you can pull those lowest ranking pups in on sounds like that a lot easier than you can on your hardcore fights. So, if you're trying to pick off multiple coats, that's one reason it makes sense and ties back to what's going on in a coach's life because if you start real aggressive, you lower the odds of calling in your lower ranking family members because of that pecking order. If you go through it in a in a more less aggressive to more aggressive, you have higher odds of picking off more cos out of that family group because of the pecking order. Yep. Yep. No, it uh it's what makes sense in my mind. And uh talking about the random stuff, I know I know it works. I know people do it all the time. And you you mentioned a stand where you y'all killed every coyote out of this family group that went in after that last one. Um I still didn't work. It still Well, I'm going to tell you when it worked. Uh I can't remember it was either last June or last July. Anyway, I'd run down to Tennessee, hunt with Mark Larice, and we went and hunted this place that uh we didn't know at that time, but come to find out, uh I don't think the guy had access to hunt it, but it was getting hunted by other guy by another group of guys, but they was sneaking in there. Yeah. [laughter] But anyway, so we didn't know the place getting a little pressure. Uh we went through my my spill and probably on the third or fourth sound here comes this great big old male coyote over on this bank and he's he act like he's coming and but he's he's way out there. He's like 400 some yards away. Big old pasture field. Uh anyway, the coyote just kind of loses interest. He's still out there but he ain't coming. He'll look and I I started just I went random on him. I was just I was playing Sam. I'd play Sam for 30 45 seconds and just see what his reaction was. If he didn't start to make a positive have a trigger to come, I'd switch sounds. I went through everything. I was playing V squeaks. I was playing fights. I was howling at him. I'd play baby cottonail. I was just throwing everything. And I think I'd went to like it was a real aggressive fight. I think it was BMF fight or um fight challenge or something. Well, anyway, the coyote starts to come, gets down in a ditch, and then I'm we're like getting ready thinking we finally got him to break. All of a sudden, we see him taken back off. He's going back up the bank like he's leaving. Yeah. And I did something to make him stop. Well, I was like, ain't nothing working. And I just happened to scroll to a Fondestress. I can't remember which one it was. I can't remember if it was a Fox Pro one or or uh it was either going to it would either have been the original Fondress from Fox Pro or it had been MFK Deer Stake. It's like the only two I really play. So, it was one of those two sounds. Soon it it like five seconds after playing it after that first
that sucker come and we shot that dag on thing like 10 steps from the X360. So we probably had the thing sitting out there at 45 yards and we shot the coyote at like 55 yards. What time of the year was it? It was either June or July. It was either June or July. Ain't that it was early summer, late spring, early summer. But we played now he come out. He come out to one of those other sounds. Yeah. Or to the sequence, but he would not commit. But f and this stand lasted forever. I mean, we fought with this co 20 some minutes, you know, and uh and he'd been out there in front of us forever. Had all kinds of footage we cut out of the out of the hunt when we put it out there, but finally come running in. We sat there with howling, pup fighting, adult fighting, baby cottontails, just everything. B squeaks finally come running into a fawn distress and shot the thing like in self-defense, man. But I was just randomly throwing stuff. I just It made no sense what I was throwing out there trying to get that thing to break. Well, it just makes me think going back to what we talked about earlier. And maybe it didn't have anything to do with it, but I can't help but think that goes back to what we were talking about about certain times of year, different animals having an instinctual Yeah. trigger to certain things that happen at certain times of the year. Now, what is it a coincidence that he triggered on Fond Distress when Fawn drop is taking place right then? I mean, that's right in the peak of coach eating Fawn. So, it kind of ties back into what we were talking about earlier about playing some of these sounds, you know, because, you know, these animals are going to have instinctual triggers during certain times of year. Now, was that co just instinctually, you know, almost by no power of his own, uh, instinctually wired to trigger to the fawn drop time of the year. And so, when he heard fond distress, even and you playing that many sounds and not all played tons. Yeah. That makes me think that that that just that's just more evidence to the theory that certain times of year certain sounds have more power as far as trigger sounds go. Example, yeah. Was it an extinctual pull that he could not resist and he had to come or was he thought crossed his mind? He said, "Oo, sweet juicy fawn." Pro. We don't know. [laughter] Yeah. And probably some of both because June, July, you know, you've already got fonds on. Odds are he'd been odds are he'd been participating in Yeah. chewing on some fawns on a regular basis during that time frame. So, you know, it's been working for him. He's been catching fawns. just it all that stuff makes sense to me, you know, as to why maybe that particular sound maybe because he's got it on his mind, you know, instinctually or otherwise. He's he's got it on his mind and he hears that and he just ate one two days before. So, go get another one. That's what triggered him. What What's our best time frame to to capitalize on that fond distress trigger? Well, unlike goats, everybody knows deer can have a little bit of shift in when their fonds actually hit the ground just because of when their deer root is. But whatever your fond drop is, whenever the bulk of your fonds hit the ground, I like to start playing fondress, you know, two, three, four weeks ahead of that and then carry it on through the fawn drop. So, yeah, you know, whatever. just just start those sounds early and it's I mean we always go back to the reference uh and people have probably seen it on their TV watching National Geographic or whatever but they've seen the brown bear lined up on the river and there ain't no fish there yet but they know them salmon y they know it's coming it's instinctual I think coach do the same thing with pond drop and uh it's easy to take advantage of if you just keep it in mind to add bond distress. I don't play pond distress a whole lot, but outside of that time of the year, but I've had some I usually go hunt with uh the Tennessee boys, Greg and Clint, some of them I I'll go hunt with them in uh in June a lot and we've had some I mean where the bulk of our stands we were calling coyotes in on fond stress. You know, it's not like that every year, but there have been years where we hit it just right, and those things you you just can't go wrong with it. It's the It is the trigger sound. Yep. Yep. Well, let's There's one trigger that we did not talk about. We did bring it up a couple times. You got anything you want to say about cur curiosity triggers? Yeah, I think curiosity triggers can happen at any time with with any coat, but I think you have that happen a lot with pup cos that are getting up there towards that, you know, just anytime during that pup rear time frame. I think that's when your curiosity sounds work the best with them. And I see that with raising co pups. Yeah. You know, a lot of times with uh and this is this is on live prey. Uh and this can be anything from bullfrogs to whatever they come across. You know, I'll walk around with them in the woods. And when they come across something, a lot of times it it actually scares them, but they're curious, too. They've got enough instincts about them that they're also curious about, you know, uh a bird that fell out of a nest or whatever. thing squeaks and they run away from it, but then they're they're also curious and they have those predator instincts. They'll ease back up. And some of the people have probably seen some of the videos I've put out where they've come across a fond and they don't know if they want to catch that thing or if they want to run from it and they're they're curious by it. And I think that happens a lot with your uh with your sounds. And then that brings in the uh some of your oddball sounds like uh you know your kitten distresses and your your maybe some of your domestic sounds and just oddball stuff. I've got one that I used to call up coats with early on in the early days is called filed up. I don't use it much anymore, but it was a guinea distress. And there's not guinea distress taking place, you know, most of the time out there in the woods. But coyotes will come to it. And I think part of that's, you know, part of it's probably they're triggering because they know it's something in distress and part of it's probably out of curiosity. What is it in distress? You know, they they come to check it out. I listened to that sound just the other day. It's an odd sound. It's a It's a guinea is what it is. Yeah. I was putting this stuff in order telling you I ain't going to get into it. Nobody knows what I'm talking about. But I said like fouled up. I was like, "What? What the heck it is?" [laughter] Yeah. I never listen to it. I was like, "What is that? A guinea." That's exactly what it was. And you know, of course, the name guinea foul, if you ever look them up, the guinea foul, they usually fouled up. Yeah. They'll put foul on the end of it. So that's that's where that name come from. Well, that's good stuff. What would be uh Let me ask you, this is a little bit opposite on the triggers. Uh you got any examples of negative triggers besides from just tucking tail and running away? Uh I mean, we want to stay away from negative triggers. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely I mean there there actually are some negative triggers with sounds and a lot of times you may not know that they're out there but anytime anytime there's a sound like u let's take for for example if and I'm sure this has been done and is in in could be in some libraries if you have sounds that re were recorded from say like a a coat and a foothold trap. I don't know if anybody's ever done any trapping, but seen videos where them things will scream. You walk up there to them and they'll scream out and howl and growl and do stuff like that in the trap. Well, you could easily record sounds like that and put them on your call. You don't want to do that. It'd be like going deer hunting and snorting or going turkey hunting and putting the whole time. You know, those are those are negative. you're going to get a negative reaction from sounds like that. Uh you could have the same thing happen with with some of your decoy dog type sounds where you know the coats are the sounds that they're making or defensive fear type sounds alert you know or booger booger barking sounds like I'd say it's a pretty good chance in some of these older libraries that there's what they label as challenge house and barks is probably more most likely a I you know I can't say for a fact but there's pretty good chance they could be a Booker bark. cow and guess what happens? Guess what that is? That's a warning. Yeah, that's exactly right. And that's to other coyotes. Any of that stuff is going to be you're going to get a negative reaction out of sounds like that. And I I think people, you know, I think probably in the early days, there were probably I'm talking about real old libraries to where sounds like that were probably recorded because they didn't know what the effect would be. You know, you record a co in a foothold trap and go out there and try it. But, uh, you don't you don't want to play those sounds on on stand because you will get negative reactions from sounds like that. And something else that can be negative is let's say you're calling an area that is heavily pressured by other people and you know that they're using a sound that may be really good, a really popular sound that works really good in certain areas, but those coyotes have been hammered with, you know, a certain rabbit or a certain fight or whatever. Those could be negative. You could get negative reactions from those sounds because pressured head. Yeah. Call shy, educated, whatever you want to call them. Yeah. But one one thing I think it's worth mentioning. We was talking about like the the challenge barking and howling versus um you know a booger bark. That's a you'll be able to answer this better than me, but I've always kind of viewed that as a very fine line. If you challenge howling and barking at a coyote often or letting it run a bunch, I mean, when a coyote does challenge you, it's just it's it's not a big repetitive thing. And guess what is repetitive? A booger bark. Yeah. So, what about what about that? I mean, is that is that a true statement? Yes. And the only way the only way that I play sounds like that like challenge house and stuff like that is if I have personally witnessed that sound being recorded and knowing what the behavior was. I I want to know why, you know, if it's a worked up a agitated coat, I want to know what caused that coat to make the sounds that it made. Was it another coat? And it's, you know, it is a real, you know, that scenario is a legit scenario that could work good for me on stand or I want to get it from somebody that that I trust that the description that they're giving me about a particular sound title, especially if it's got a bunch of barking and howling that resembles a booger bark, but it's labeled as a challenge. I want to know that I trust that source, you know, right? Otherwise, I'm scared to I would be scared to use those sounds because they do tiptoe around that that booger bark and warning how type stuff, you know, that booger bark and coyotes out there.
Well, if you got a sound file doing that and you just keep looping it, you booger barking. Yeah. Yeah. If you got if you're booger barking and then you got a coyote up on the hillside in a cover booger barking. So now there's two coyotes out there booger barking. You think any other coyotes are going to come? [laughter] Yeah. And and the only exception now I have never done this. I've never done it. I wouldn't advise trying it, but I do I have heard of people saying that they have used booger barking on a booger barking coat to try to give him the impression that there's another one over at Booger Barkin and and try to call in a booger barking coat. But
I've heard I've heard of people especially especially at night. Well, other not just now. I've known some guys doing it during the day, too. If you get a coyote booger barking, you can throw certain sounds out there at them and you can move on that coyote just to keep him talking and then get an angle where you can find him and and get him, you know, snipe him, you know, get rid of him. I was going to tell you, if you do get a coyote that's booger barking, something's happened. He's seen you, he's smelt you, he's played that game before and smelt or heard, seen somebody else or whatever, by all means kill that coyote with any means necessary because you want that thing out of there. [laughter] Yeah. And you know, it's going to ruin a lot of future hunts for you. You [snorts] that I need to start adding that to to some of these conversations and messages that I've had with people because you just you made me think of it right then. you said they've played that game before and I know you get this message or somebody call you and they'll say, "Hey, I've went out and I made this stand and I know that this I absolutely because the first thing I think is well they they busted you somehow. They smelled you something." And a lot of times I still think that probably happened and they just weren't aware of it. But that played the game before is also a possibility because people will call or message and they'll say, "Hey, I've I've sat out on stand and I' I know that this cow has not busted me. They have not smelled me. They did not see me. You know, everything was perfect and as soon as I started playing my call or I was going through my stand and this cow goes to booger barking out there." Well, there's a that happens. I hunted with Greg one time and he told me and I've heard other people talk about this stuff too and say soon as you get there I think Chad Burke I heard him talking about it too. Uh they'll tell you before you even make the stand soon as we start calling the cow's going to start barking out here in this certain spot. You know because they've made multiple stands and that's a coat that was left over from a booger stand. you know, whether they killed one and it was with them or it busted them because it got down wind or whatever. And then you go back and you start you have a problem coat then that's call shy and he hears the call come on and he sets out there and booger barks and like you said you have to you just about have to get that coyote killed before you can kill other coyotes at that spot. Hey every you naming people said that I hunt with one of the times I hunted with Corey Gra. We went on this place and that's what he said. He said, "Yeah, we going." He said, "It can be a good stand." He said, "We're going to get down there on this spot." And he said, "There's a a wood lot over here to the right." He said, "When you ha if you how?" He said, "There will be a coyote that'll get the booger barking over there." And uh I'm like, "Well, so I was like, what did you mess up on him this year early?" He said, "I ain't even hunted this place this year." But he said for like the last two or three years, there's a coyote that I'd be d if he was right. [laughter] Yeah, I think we started off like a rabbit. Then after another come the rabbit started going in the vocal stuff just like clockwork, buddy. It's coyote just and he sat there and did that the whole time we called and uh it was crazy. Yeah. Like trap that sucker or something. Get that thing out of there. Hunting with Greg. He did the exact same thing. He told us where we got there. He said this this he didn't call it a coat. He done got aggravated with this guy, but he said this thing uh his choice word was going to start barking out there. And sure enough, I mean, soon as we started calling, it started booger barking out there. But uh we made another stand similar to that. We killed I don't know if we killed that coat. We made a move on that coat. Got in there. It was running back and forth making half moon circles and booger barking. Booger barking. And I talking about triggering coats outside of the time that they're peak. I turned on cornered hottie and this was summertime. Cornered hottie is a breeding sound, but I done played through some other stuff. Turned on cornered hottie and here come two coyotes flying in. The booger barking coat and another one. I'm not sure which one of the two we killed, but we got one of them out of the bunch right there at our feet too. But on another stand, I think on that same hunt. This is on uh this is on one of both of those hunts are on the YouTube channel. But uh we going to make another one. call in a pair of coats, kill one of them, the other one starts booger barking up on kind of the side of a mountain. That thing's half moon, half moon, half moon, back and forth booger barking. Anybody's ever experienced that knows what I'm talking about. But these cows will bark over here and then they'll move and they they'll repeat that y similar pattern. Yep. Well, once they do that pattern just enough that you kind of see what the pattern is, you can keep the call going, which is what we did right there. And I just slipped up the side of the mountain. And when the cow would bark and I knew I could move, I eased up. Eased up until I knew I was fixing to be cutting that coyote off. And sure enough, it wasn't but a second I could thing was just right there. And I done a little bit of leaning and peeping and oh, I seen that I seen his mouth opening. You know, one of them barking. Well, he's that coat didn't bark no more. We got him. Yeah. Good. You can you can definitely do that. You know, and that's some of that got what he deserved. Yeah. And hey, that's some of that. Talking about when we first got on the podcast, we was talking about learning stuff from other things. Yeah. Let a let a hung up turkey gobble too much. He'll get in trouble. All I All I need is a log. Yeah, that's right. Sneak up her own. Yeah. Log, tree, anything. Slip up there. Teach him a lesson. [laughter] Works the same way. Well, Tori, you ready to wrap this thing up? I reckon we've been on here a little while. It's been a good podcast. I think people's going to enjoy this one. I've enjoyed it. This This is good talking about triggers. Yeah. Yeah. I think uh I don't know. I feel like we covered some good stuff. I think so, too. You got anything you'd like to leave us with? just appreciate everybody that does listen and feedback we get from you and uh using all our stuff. Thank y'all. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We greatly appreciate you all. 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